| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:00:15.76 | Unknown | Hey. |
| 00:00:15.98 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:00:21.95 | Herb Weiner | Debbie? Hello? Are you ready, Debbie? Yeah, I'm ready. I'm the one who needs so. Oh, I thought he was Debbie. I'm sorry. Oh, poor, poor Brett. Oh, no, he's here again. Wait a minute. Poor thing. |
| 00:00:22.39 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 00:00:22.41 | Jonathan Leone | Hello. Are you ready, Debbie? |
| 00:00:24.04 | Unknown | Yeah, I'm ready. |
| 00:00:26.04 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:00:26.05 | Unknown | you |
| 00:00:26.32 | Jonathan Leone | . |
| 00:00:28.08 | Unknown | Oh, I feel like... |
| 00:00:29.80 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, poor, oh, poor Brad. Oh, no, he's here again. Wait a minute. He's coming to the store thing. |
| 00:00:36.95 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:00:40.02 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 00:00:44.09 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:00:44.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:44.31 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:00:44.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:44.36 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:00:44.38 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Good evening and welcome to the meeting of Tuesday, March 8th, 2011. And, um... I guess we take the roll call. |
| 00:01:00.11 | Unknown | Council Member Pfeiffer. Here. Vice Mayor Kelly? |
| 00:01:04.75 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:01:04.76 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE Councilmember Ford, here. Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:01:08.17 | Herb Weiner | here. At this time here, unless there's any comment, we will go to closed session. All right. and Squeaky will let us know what's going on. And we're going to close session on two items. and close. |
| 00:01:33.20 | Herb Weiner | I'm sorry. DY to D2, which will be a conference on legal counsel on litigation and MLK real property negotiations. Thank you. |
| 00:05:05.94 | Unknown | How are you? |
| 00:05:27.14 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:05:57.75 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Good evening and welcome to the meeting. Council meeting on. March 8th, 2011. Mm-hmm. Make the roll call, please. |
| 00:06:14.59 | Unknown | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Councilmember Leone? |
| 00:06:18.77 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:06:18.79 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:06:18.81 | Jonathan Leone | here. |
| 00:06:19.82 | Unknown | Vice Mayor Kelly here councilmember Ford here mayor Weiner |
| 00:06:20.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:06:21.04 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:06:21.05 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:06:21.07 | Herb Weiner | Council Member. President This time we will have the pledge. Steve Favis, would you lead us in the pledge, please? |
| 00:06:35.62 | Carolyn Ford | To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God. |
| 00:06:36.20 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. To the flag of the United States of America. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:06:40.96 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. which it stands. |
| 00:06:45.98 | Carolyn Ford | Indivisible. |
| 00:06:46.43 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:06:47.14 | Carolyn Ford | With liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:06:47.63 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:06:49.08 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:06:53.01 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Council met in closed session and we discussed items D1, which is litigation, and item 2, which was on the MLK properties. Thank you. |
| 00:07:09.75 | Unknown | you |
| 00:07:09.84 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:07:09.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:10.02 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:07:10.06 | Unknown | you |
| 00:07:11.09 | Herb Weiner | Is there anybody that would like to comment on these closed items at this time? Okay. Just on here, I'd like to have approval of the agenda, and we will move up... I can, uh... 6F, we'll move that to 6A. |
| 00:07:32.03 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:07:32.25 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:07:32.31 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:07:32.35 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:07:34.81 | Carolyn Ford | What is success? |
| 00:07:36.20 | Jonathan Leone | I'll make, you have to make a motion, so I'll make that motion. |
| 00:07:40.21 | Herb Weiner | So moved. Second. So moved. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Good. |
| 00:07:44.77 | Jonathan Leone | Aye. |
| 00:07:45.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:56.62 | Herb Weiner | At this time here I'd like to... Thank you. At this time here, I'd like to close this evening's meeting in honor of Evert. and I'm in and he was a long-time resident here in Sausalito, a former Planning Commissioner? No. City Councilman. and mayor. Kenya. He passed on. like all of us will sometimes. At this time here, Is there anybody that would like to make any comments on this open session? And I have two names. And if there's anybody else, please come and sign up so we can have it passed to us. Cat Mountain Mullins. |
| 00:09:03.25 | Kat Mullins | Hi, my name is Kat Mullins and I live at 19 Cassine here in Sausalito and I'm here representing the Friends of the Sausalito Community Gardens and the residents of Sausalito who are excited by the idea of having a community garden in the MLK Park site. After giving a presentation to the OMET committee on February 16th, It was suggested that we return to City Council during public comment period with a request that the project be placed above the line on the City's financial priority list. This request is being made so that the community garden project might receive minimal staff time in advance of your strategic planning meeting on the 25th and the 25th. and any future presentations to the city The Friends of the Sausalito Community Gardens was established in 2009 and has recently become a non-profit organization. Our intention is to build support in Sausalito for the idea of a community garden. Currently we have a governing board of eight members and 20 dedicated volunteers that sit on a variety of subcommittees. We've done extensive research, drafted our bylaws and garden rules and guidelines, and reached out to the community extensively in the last two years. Our mailing list now contains close to 300 supporters. Will all of those here tonight in favor of the garden please stand at this time? Go raise your hands. Thank you. |
| 00:10:25.28 | Herb Weiner | I'm going by the day. |
| 00:10:27.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:10:28.81 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:10:28.91 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.01 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.25 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.27 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.30 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.37 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.38 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.40 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.57 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.60 | Kat Mullins | you On January 19th, we received unanimous approval from the Parks and Recreations Commission in our ear to continue our collaboration with the city in the future. We will be back at the OMIT committee meeting on March 23rd to follow up on our February 16th meeting, and we'll also be attending the March 25th strategic planning meeting for the MLK Park site as observers. We realize that a formal revision of the priority list will not take place until April and hope that the City Council will consider the garden project at this time and also at the March 25th strategic planning meeting. We look forward to continuing our dialogue with city officials in the coming months and thank you for your time this evening. |
| 00:11:10.52 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. The next one, Alf. Thank you. and you'll have to teach me how to pronounce your last name. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:11:23.79 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:11:23.81 | Unknown | Thank you very much. Thank you. Is it possible to put up the phone with the photographs? It's called Pictures 50 Cable? I'm back again and continue to be back until we get some resolution on this issue. This is the parking problem. |
| 00:11:36.73 | Jonathan Leone | Awesome. Sir, would you just state your name for the record? |
| 00:11:39.62 | Unknown | I'm sorry, Elf New Sephora, 43 Cable Roadway, Sorcellino, resident of the city. Just some facts, the residents at 43 and 45 suffer ingress and egress problems with the current parking situation. There is a truck permanently parked in front of 50 Cable Roadway, now hinders vehicular entrance to and exit from the above properties. Vehicle has been parked there without significant movement for more than three years. It's been moved approximately six times in three years. This is an abandoned vehicle. The vehicle is now being used for storage of approximately 100 folding chairs in the truck bed, five months now and counting. The acting city manager is advised that the area currently occupied by the abandoned truck is in fact public street property. It's the city of Sorcelino property. When the vehicles block the entrance, the available road width is 9 to 11 feet when entering and exiting our properties. In actual fact this morning, a truck, a van got stuck. You'll see a photograph in a moment. It took a crew to actually lift the truck out. There it is there. This stuff happens all the time. The issue or the complaint has been acted without resolution since September 22nd of 2008 when an appeal was filed with the city manager's office, the chief of police, the fire chief. It's now 30 months and counting. And this is now my sixth attempt to have this issue and complaint addressed by the city of Sorcerino. The current situation adversely affects our property owners on 43 and 45. It's potential fire and EMS hazard. It's a major inconvenience to property owners as per the photograph up there. It's potential fire and EMS hazard. It's a major inconvenience to property owners as per the photograph up there. It certainly contributes to the devaluation of our property values. It's a damn eyesore. And I wonder why we pay our taxes if we can't get it fixed. In terms of the city of Sorcellino, it provides a major liability issue in the event of fire or medical tragedy. The city would be sued. And of course there's always the accusation of selective law enforcement. We thought there was a 72-hour rule that said that vehicles had to be moved. I do have a formal petition signed by 43 and 45, which I will leave with you. We would ask you to acknowledge and act upon this petition. We ask that a no parking sign be installed and that the parking ordinances be strictly enforced on cable roadway, and we thank you for your hearing and your consideration. |
| 00:13:59.98 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:14:00.88 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:14:00.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:00.96 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:14:08.51 | Herb Weiner | It's a... Okay. Thank you, Alf. Moving right along. |
| 00:14:21.82 | Jonathan Leone | Just for clarity's sake, we can't respond because it's not an agendized item, but thank |
| 00:14:22.60 | Herb Weiner | Go ahead. |
| 00:14:26.53 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Okay. At this time here, I'd like to move on a consent calendar. |
| 00:14:40.97 | Mike Kelly | Move approval. |
| 00:14:42.75 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:14:42.76 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:14:43.01 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:14:43.13 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, if I could just really quickly, there's two minor corrections to item 4A, the lease agreement with Sculptured Beach that will be made before execution copies are sent out. They're a Texas LLC, not a California LLC, and they've asked for a different noticing address to be included. |
| 00:14:50.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:50.85 | Herb Weiner | or |
| 00:14:51.10 | Unknown | it. |
| 00:14:51.13 | Kat Mullins | I'm not sure. |
| 00:14:59.45 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 00:15:00.89 | Jonathan Leone | This is a point of clarification of 4. How long is this? There's no, I guess Charlie's not here, so he was the only one that would know. Okay. All right, I'll just go with the staff report. You don't know anything about this fund. |
| 00:15:18.23 | Mary Wagner | I don't know what the question is. |
| 00:15:19.94 | Jonathan Leone | the redemption crunch. No, okay. |
| 00:15:24.43 | Mary Wagner | Well, I am familiar with the issue. I don't know what your specific question would be, whether or not somebody here would be able to answer it for you. |
| 00:15:32.61 | Jonathan Leone | Well, we've contacted whoever would be appropriate, and there's no one to contact as far as claimants on this and all the releases that you'd have to normally go through. Given the age of this, that's why we're declaring a surplus. Is that correct? |
| 00:15:46.55 | Mary Wagner | Well... But to return the funds, there's the whole report on who the money goes back to. It's not being surplused. It's being given back to the property owners who are part of the district. |
| 00:15:50.87 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:15:50.89 | Jonathan Leone | Me too. |
| 00:15:55.38 | Jonathan Leone | Right. |
| 00:15:55.97 | Mary Wagner | So we know who it goes to. No, I know. |
| 00:15:58.18 | Jonathan Leone | No, I know, but I'm saying that we've done outreach and that's |
| 00:16:02.93 | Mary Wagner | I believe the staff has taken the proper steps to return the money. |
| 00:16:08.71 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:16:08.76 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. So we have a second? Yes, we did. Yes. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Moving right along. On business items, I'd like to... |
| 00:16:13.38 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. Bye. |
| 00:16:24.03 | Herb Weiner | Let's take the 6F and move that up to 6A. |
| 00:16:31.03 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:16:32.82 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:16:32.89 | Jonathan Leone | Yes, we already did it. |
| 00:16:34.32 | Herb Weiner | Yes, yes, we did it. OK, then, is she ready? |
| 00:16:35.99 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:16:41.92 | Unknown | it brings you in. |
| 00:16:43.23 | Herb Weiner | Okay, he just went out. |
| 00:16:44.31 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. just... |
| 00:16:49.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:49.49 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:16:49.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:50.03 | Herb Weiner | All right, the item we're now going to be speaking about is roles and responsibilities. Oh, no. The fire department quarterly report with overview of the public information services for possible annexation with Southern Marin Fire District. |
| 00:17:11.33 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, I apologize. Chief Irving must have misunderstood what was going on with the changing of the agenda. So if he is here. |
| 00:17:22.21 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:17:31.83 | Herb Weiner | Ring, ring, ring. |
| 00:17:37.42 | Unknown | My apologies. I was kind of willing to arrest him. I thought I had time. That's right. |
| 00:17:41.13 | Herb Weiner | The President. The President. |
| 00:17:41.42 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:17:44.15 | Unknown | Okay, this is a report basically for the last year, so the last quarter. Last time I talked to you was about a quarter ago, so I figured I'd just do the entire year. |
| 00:18:07.40 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:18:07.59 | Unknown | Thank you. I'm pushing the right button. |
| 00:18:09.16 | Unknown | Yeah, you got it. |
| 00:18:09.18 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:18:09.38 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:18:09.53 | Unknown | You got it. Okay, what I'm going to go over to tonight is response information, update on the GGNRA contract. update on our fire prevention talk a little about regionalization and our public outreach program. |
| 00:18:29.61 | Jonathan Leone | You got it. |
| 00:18:38.08 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:18:43.59 | Unknown | Sorry about that. Okay, total responses for the Southern Marine Fire District, 200, or excuse me, that actually number is wrong. I apologize for that. We had 1,845 EMS responses, 84 fire responses, 7 what we call overpressurization, that is problems with natural gas in houses, that sort of thing. 82 hazmat calls, 357 service calls, and 391 what we call good intent calls. Those are where we're basically dealing with situations that are not fire related. These are, you know, public service calls. 232 fire alarms, three weather-related incidents, and three other related incidents. Within Sausalito are responses, 30 fires, four overpressure incidents, 864 rescue or EMS calls, 36 hazmat calls, 161 service calls, 118 good intent, 135 fire alarms, three weather related, and three others. Types of fires we had in Sausalito is four building fires, three cooking or kitchen fires, seven trash fires, two commercial vehicles fires that were buses or trucks sort of thing, seven passenger vehicles, one boat fire. two vegetation fires and three other categorized fires. As far as our EMS and rescue calls, 782 EMS excluding vehicle accidents, 32 vehicle accidents with injuries, 4 vehicle versus pedestrians, 21 accidents with no injuries, 2 elevator rescues, it's always fun, 8 water rescues, which is fairly significant, and then 15 other EMS type calls. Hazardous conditions, this includes three gasoline spills, seven natural gas leaks, one oil spill, two chemical hazards, ten power lines down, seven arcing electrical equipments, and then six other hazardous conditions. Notable incidents, we've had two fairly significant fires. These were both second alarm fires, one at 416 North Street, right up the street from Jonathan. When we call for a second alarm, that usually involves agencies from throughout Southern Marin all the way into the scene. Some people question why we need as many people as we |
| 00:21:28.27 | Jonathan Leone | The |
| 00:21:43.05 | Unknown | Often it's because we have to meet more stringent requirements for our personnel and safety, and that involves what we call a two-in, two-out. That means for every two people to go into a building, We have to have two outside the building in order to form rescue if those people get trapped, and that's according to NIOSH, which is a national organization. And it's basically a safety requirement. We can't get away from doing it. It's also an OSHA requirement. So basically, The way we have to do firefighting is not just about putting the fire out. It's also about doing it in a very safe fashion, in a fashion that complies with all the federal requirements. More recently, we had a fire at 600 Locust. Again, that was a second alarm fire. It involved all the agencies in Southern Marin. Our crews did a great job of knocking that fire down and just an excellent job by all. Again, it was great cooperation between all the agencies in Southern Marin. And last thing we were involved with was a missing person. You may have read about this in the paper, a 92-year-old woman who went missing. It happened to be on the same day as the North Street fire. There's some speculation that she was actually disoriented by all the fire trucks on North Street because she lived right above there. We assisted the Sausalito Police Department in looking for her. We deployed our CERT teams that have been training for quite a while. We got, I believe, 16 people out of our CERT teams. We also deployed the Marin County USAR team, that's Urban Search and Rescue, We deployed three watercraft in order to look for her along the edge of the shore. And then we also had our engine and ambulance companies out searching for her. We also put people into the EOC, the Emergency Operations Center. That involved myself and Matt Barnes, Battalion Chief Barnes, involved in the management of the situation. And as all of you know, we ended up finding her out at Kirby Cove. |
| 00:23:39.05 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 00:23:39.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:23:39.18 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 00:23:56.26 | Unknown | which is a pretty significant walk from Old Town Sausalito to Kirby Cove for a 92-year-old woman. I hope I can walk that far when I'm that old. We'll see. I wanted to talk a little bit about the GGNRA contract. We began service on October 1, 2010. Again, that's a contract to provide the fire and EMS to the Marin Headlands, Fort Baker, Fort Barry, Fort Cronkite. |
| 00:24:32.32 | Unknown | In the first quarter that we provided service out there, that was from October 1, 2010 to December 31, we had 33 responses. This falls right in line with what we predicted out there. We predicted about 140 calls per year out there, so it's falling right in line with what we were anticipating. The other thing is the response times that we Um... estimated for the National Park Service have been also riding line. So they're very happy with the service we're providing. We responded to one fire out there, and that was a fire at the Institute for the Arts. The fire was brought under control quickly. It was actually just outside of the building itself. 12 EMS responses, 18 fire alarms, one water rescue, which was actually fairly significant. It was an off-duty Marin County firefighter who actually affected the rescue. by paddling his surfboard. out to a boat that was just off the beach and in trouble. and then one public assist. Fire prevention, as we've talked about before, currently we have a firefighter who is working light duty assigned to fire prevention working out of the Sausalito Station. At the last Southern Marin Fire District Board meeting, they approved creating a full-time fire prevention officer position. Thank you. They have approved this in concept and currently I'm in the meet and confer process with the union trying to clarify everything within the job description and how this person will fit into our organization. We expect probably within the next couple of months we'll actually be able to put it out to a promotional process, and fill that with a permanent full-time position. |
| 00:26:28.37 | Jonathan Leone | Jim, is that a different position than fire marshal position or is it essentially |
| 00:26:32.24 | Unknown | We're calling it a fire prevention officer rather than a fire marshal position. It's kind of a little bit lower. |
| 00:26:36.62 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. But it's those duties. |
| 00:26:40.02 | Unknown | Right, the same basic duties, but it doesn't have the same level of authority. |
| 00:26:40.05 | Jonathan Leone | Right. |
| 00:26:50.62 | Unknown | I want to talk a little bit about consolidation and regionalization efforts. The Marin County Fire Chiefs have established a regionalization committee, and they're focusing on training, fire prevention, and equipment purchase and maintenance. The whole idea of this committee is to look at everything we're doing countywide and see what we can do to sort of stream like that, you know, particularly in the areas of training, Every department has its own training program. do regionalized training here within the Southern Marine agencies, but there's a thought if you know, the Ross Valley agencies, Santa Fe agencies into that same thing, we can have a more standardized training countywide. And basically that means we're all doing everything the exact same way. Again, with fire prevention, the fire prevention officers have probably made the biggest strides in this. As you know, we adopted the fire code, which was developed by the Marin County Fire Prevention Officers. They work very closely together. The whole idea is to establish a standardized code from one end of the county to the other. So if, you know, Mill Valley needs assistance with fire prevention, we can provide that. If we need it from Nevada, they can provide that. So we create basically a seamless fire code and fire prevention program. for all the agencies that we're in, which really benefits the citizens as well as, you know, the contractors, architects, We're doing things the same way. that San Rafael's doing, the same way that Nevada's doing, et cetera. And then the last thing we're looking at is equipment purchase and maintenance. By speccing our engines the same way that every other agency does, we feel we can get a better price on those fire engines, as well as doing maintenance by ourselves. Currently, three agencies in Marin do have their own fire mechanics. Um... that is, Novato, Santa Fe, Marin County Fire. And what we're looking at trying to do is create a single fire mechanic shop within Marin that will enable all of us to take our vehicles there. You know, right now we take them to Diego Brothers or different places. And the idea is by creating a single shop, everyone can bring their stuff there. People are familiar with working on fire equipment. And so we feel we'll get a better service out of it and better bang for our buck out of it. |
| 00:29:23.55 | Unknown | Continuing on with the consolidation and regionalization, currently Southern Marin and the Town of Corte Madera are working on agreement for personnel sharing with focus on battalion chief and administration. This is sort of where we started with Sausalito seven years ago. The idea is that we still feel that a battalion chief can be responsible for a larger area. One of our battalion chiefs is retiring in May. The idea is that we can share personnel with Corte Madera. The idea is moving one of their battalion chiefs down to Southern Marin and just creating a larger response area for that battalion chief. In addition to that, we're looking at other administrative functions that we can share with them. Again, the idea being that we don't need as much administration countywide as we have. Still, our primary focus will be on the merger with Sausalito in Southern Moran. And that is our primary focus and that's, you know, what we're going to focus our attention on. In addition, Southern Marin Fire, Cora Madera Fire, Larkspur, San Rafael, and Marinwood are looking at the concept of sharing services through all those agencies. At this point, it's merely a conversation, and we're going to see where it winds up. |
| 00:30:52.42 | Carolyn Ford | Chief Irving. |
| 00:30:53.29 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:30:53.43 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:30:53.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:30:53.48 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:30:53.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:30:53.58 | Carolyn Ford | Are you also talking to Mill Valley and Tiburon? Thank you. |
| 00:30:58.12 | Unknown | No, we're not. And I have extended offers to both Mill Valley and Tiburon, and they just don't seem to be interested at this time. |
| 00:31:07.42 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:31:11.30 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:31:11.62 | Jonathan Leone | wait till |
| 00:31:12.03 | Unknown | and ask on this one. You can go ahead and ask now, actually, because the next slide is questions. |
| 00:31:18.96 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:31:21.68 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:31:21.98 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:31:22.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:31:22.03 | Jonathan Leone | So, Thank you. I mean, we've talked enough times over the years about the general trend towards consolidation. I would think, though, it might be behoove Southern Marin's board to maybe focus on a few ducks at the same time and You've only run a quarter up on the DGNRA, and obviously the operations won't be so affected here by if the voters approve the consolidation with Sausalito. |
| 00:31:48.90 | Kat Mullins | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:31:56.31 | Jonathan Leone | That might be something that was news to me. I don't know if you've heard this with about Corte Madera. Not that it couldn't be accomplished given the right |
| 00:32:05.28 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:32:05.32 | Jonathan Leone | Right. number of chairs, as Heather Moran and I would leave that up to you to analyze that, but it might be something that while we're pursuing our consolidation here, you might not want to cloud the issue over much with Yeah, with the growth plans of the Southern Marine Board. |
| 00:32:24.94 | Unknown | Right. I certainly understand your point. I think it's a very good one. The reason we're doing this now is because of opportunity. And we feel if we wait too long, we will have an open position in May. and they will have an open position soon after that. So our belief is that although it's not the best time in terms of what else we have going on, it is the best time in terms of personnel. |
| 00:32:56.21 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, but there's always like the penny wise pound foolish kind of things and I know you're very good at what you do, and I know you've considered all this stuff, but I'm talking more to take back to your board as far as the growth plans of Southern Marin fire that perhaps maybe it should be meted over time and sometimes all the... |
| 00:33:01.07 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:33:08.12 | Andrew Davidson | Right. |
| 00:33:21.22 | Jonathan Leone | things that line up at certain times, sometimes you've got to pass, and things get more expensive, but it's done in the right sequence for both the public and in all walks of, because I don't think, obviously, Cordero Dara hasn't informed anybody about this kind of discussion either, so, or we probably would have heard of it one way or another, so maybe it's something |
| 00:33:30.25 | Kat Mullins | Right. |
| 00:33:41.39 | Jonathan Leone | That's just my message to your board. |
| 00:33:43.63 | Unknown | I get that. Thank you. And I'll take that back to the board. |
| 00:33:45.76 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:33:46.01 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 00:33:46.99 | Adam Politzer | Councilmember Leon, if I can just comment there. I think what Chief Irving is doing tonight, based on our discussion earlier, this is all relatively new information, and I thought that it was best that our council hear it directly from the chief. before it gets out into the public. And so you folks are advised. There are many items on that list that Chief Irving went through, like training, you know, that makes sense regardless of consolidation. So I just want to make sure that we separate some of the things that were discussed up there so it doesn't confuse the public that there was a lot of different things that could affect Sausalito's ability to get the best service from Southern Marin, bit more so there are a lot of different things that could affect Sausalito's ability to get the best service from Southern Marin, but more so there are a lot of things on that list that actually benefits Sausalito in terms of working together on training and looking at the mechanics maintaining our equipment. And the third one was on the training. No, not personally. |
| 00:34:52.60 | Unknown | Equipment maintenance. |
| 00:34:55.62 | Adam Politzer | Equipment maintenance was the vehicles. You had training. Can you flip back to that? Fire prevention. Fire prevention, thank you. |
| 00:34:58.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:58.59 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry for that. |
| 00:34:59.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:02.12 | Jonathan Leone | No, and that's why I prefaced the statement by saying, I mean, eventually there'll be, if I had to guess, the Marin County Fire Department at the end of the day and how many years out that is. But they're more control-oriented and those who love to fund these kinds of departments like Mill Valley overfunding their vehicles, let's say. will continue to hold out until the end, but the eventuality is that I think in general this is sort of a countywide thing and Southern Marin's doing its part and the county has its own set of troubles to worry about in general rather than in this. But no, the other ones are perfectly rational. They make sense. The things that we should be investigating for some of our own services as far as the sewer equipments. And that kind of thing we're already pursuing in terms of sharing sewer equipment with the district and that kind of thing. |
| 00:35:51.86 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor? |
| 00:35:53.30 | Herb Weiner | Council Member. |
| 00:35:54.38 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 00:35:54.70 | Herb Weiner | I feel. |
| 00:35:55.14 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. So I guess my question is, is there a reason we didn't receive this, I mean the presentation prior to, you know, in our packet? |
| 00:36:03.42 | Unknown | Yeah, that's totally my fault. I was not aware that I was supposed to do that. I must have missed the meeting where the city manager expressed that, and I apologize. |
| 00:36:13.77 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:36:15.49 | Herb Weiner | House of Representatives. |
| 00:36:15.99 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Chief, could you send that to us, please? Absolutely. I'd like to have it for my records. Thank you. And me too. |
| 00:36:16.01 | Herb Weiner | She works. |
| 00:36:20.53 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:36:20.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:20.75 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:36:25.46 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:36:25.61 | Unknown | Absolutely. I'll make sure it gets to all of you. Thank you. You have it now. |
| 00:36:26.73 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:36:26.78 | Jonathan Leone | I'll make sure it gets to all of you. You have it now so you can forward it. The city can forward it out. But it doesn't have to be tonight. |
| 00:36:32.26 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:36:32.28 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:36:32.84 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:36:33.82 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:36:33.93 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor? Mr. Mayor? |
| 00:36:34.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:34.07 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:36:34.09 | Herb Weiner | . |
| 00:36:34.15 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor? |
| 00:36:34.96 | Jonathan Leone | Mr. Mayor. |
| 00:36:35.76 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:36:35.77 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:36:36.38 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:36:36.53 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 00:36:36.90 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:36:37.56 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. And perhaps what we might want to do is post that on the website too for public access. |
| 00:36:37.59 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:36:37.61 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 00:36:37.88 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:36:38.00 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:36:38.76 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:36:38.88 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:36:38.91 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:36:39.05 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:36:39.06 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:36:47.30 | Herb Weiner | Any other questions here? Okay, any, this time here, any? |
| 00:36:51.94 | Unknown | I actually do have one more. It's a segue into the next segment. And basically that is that we've talked over the time and we've been talking about consolidation about the public education component. |
| 00:36:54.35 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 00:36:58.42 | Kat Mullins | that |
| 00:37:07.16 | Unknown | I think as you know, this council approve in the mid-year budget, moving forward with doing a public education component, the fire district also did the same. Um, We sent out a request for proposals to a number of different agencies. I think we sent it out to seven different agencies. We also posted it in publications. We got back seven people who were interested in attending a sort of like a pre-proposal workshop. We sat down, Charlie Francis, Adam, myself, sat down with those different agencies and explained what the situation is, what we're trying to do. And then we got back. for separate actual proposals. Adam, Charlie, and I then sat down, went through those four proposals. and we believe that Weisherst Mosier, Fairbank, Moslin, Mallon, and Metz, or F3M, or M3, M3 was the most appropriate organization to fit our needs. We then ran this by the consolidation committee. They agreed with that. So here tonight to make a presentation, are representatives from Mosher and, excuse me, Whitehurst Mosher, and then F3M. M3. And this is, I'll go ahead and introduce Rufus Jeffries and Dave. And I'm sorry I've got your last name. Okay. I want to let you know that. Thank you. |
| 00:38:47.87 | Rufus Jeffers | I'm going to get stumbled with this now. |
| 00:38:49.64 | Unknown | Another point. Thank you. |
| 00:38:51.33 | Rufus Jeffers | Okay. All right. That makes a difference. Good evening, City Council. Thank you very much. As Chief Irving said and described the process that brought us to this point, we are here to help the city understand community priorities and preferences as it addresses this question of consolidation. There's been a lot of work up until now over the past several years, seven years to be exact, and certainly more work in the last 18 months to two years, and this is about the right time to kind of be looking out to the community more intensively to understand community, not only their understanding of the issues related to this, but kind of what their priorities, what their attitudes are towards the consolidation and also towards some of the issues related to this, but kind of what their priorities, what their attitudes are towards the consolidation and also towards some of the financial issues that are involved. Just quickly here on this presentation, and I do have, I think I have four copies of this, but I can also email this to you if you're interested in getting this as well. And I just pressed the big button here. Is that the one that moves me forward? Do you feel it? |
| 00:38:51.38 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:39:57.41 | Rufus Jeffers | There we go. Again, my name is Rufus Jeffers. I'm with Whitehurst Mosier Campaigns, and this is Dave Metz with FM3. I'm not going to try and stumble over their long name. We have been in business for about 11 years now, 12 years since 1999, a small, medium-sized firm that runs a wide variety of ballot measure campaigns, local, regional, state campaigns, primarily though here in Northern California in the Bay Area. We do a wide range of work helping agencies in public information preparation for campaigns in addition to running campaigns once an agency or body has put it on the ballot. As you can see here, FM3 has been working for 30 years and has considerable experience working nationwide with a wide range, again, of public agencies from special districts to school districts, hospital districts. They also work in the private sector on quantitative and qualitative opinion research. We've worked with FN3 on a variety of campaigns and have a very good relationship with them over the past several years. |
| 00:41:19.86 | Rufus Jeffers | I didn't want to get to do an extensive list, but just a few examples of some of the work that we've done. We've done over 500 campaigns combined, not working together, but individually more than 500 campaigns. Some local campaigns that are probably familiar, Mill Valley School District. I happen to reside in Mill Valley. I'll be happy to take some of the comments about the Mill Valley Fire Department back to the City Council as well. And that helped me kind of perk up my ears too about maybe some things I should be looking at over there. But FM3, as you can see, worked with the Marin County – That's just my personal opinion, okay, so. |
| 00:41:58.59 | Jonathan Leone | That's just my personal opinion, okay? |
| 00:42:02.25 | Rufus Jeffers | FM3 worked with the Marin County Fire Department on a parcel tax this past November. We've worked with the Mill Valley School District on a number of parcel tax and bond campaigns, not only helping them prepare for those but advising them on communication strategy, best ways to communicate with not only their internal community, the parents and teachers, but with the broader community as well. We worked with the Marine Energy Authority helping provide media and communications services as they were just preparing to enter service last spring and were faced with some very difficult issues involving the incumbent utility. We worked along with FM3 in conducting polling to kind of help them understand not only community attitudes but what they could expect as they move forward. Again, some other examples of just kind of the diversity of public agency clients that we've worked with on a wide variety of campaigns and issues. Our approach is pretty straightforward. We work with you as a partner. We're not here to supplant your city staff. We're here to work with the city staff and your folks in the community hand-in-hand through this. And we really start by listening, trying to understand what your needs and objectives are, and also engaging the community to understand their priorities. In the next slide, I'll kind of talk a little bit about some of the tactics for how we do that. Helping you develop and deliver clear, accurate, effective communications, particularly with issues such as consolidation and some of the financial ramifications. There's complexities that can be helpful sometimes to have communications expertise to be able to understand not only what people's concerns are, what their issues are, what their attitudes are, but to understand how to communicate and what to communicate about, where there may be gaps or misunderstandings or misconceptions. We want to start, you know, kind of as much work has gone into the process that has brought us to this point, I think we want to enter this without any kind of preconceptions about, you know, where we might end up. I think, you know, there's certainly in terms of the community process, certainly there are things from a technical and financial perspective that suggest a certain route, but there's also a variety of options that I think the community and the city and the fire district have explored, and we want to kind of make sure that we check all of those against voter and community attitudes. We also work to kind of align. We've got, you know, a variety of policy, political, and community objectives that are likely to surface, and, you know, how do we align those things in an effective, efficient way, particularly if we're working in a particular timeframe. And just providing you with the information you need to make an informed decision. Certainly moving forward with any kind of election involves an investment of public money. Certainly what's at stake involves the future of the Saucyus fire services. And so I think certainly with many other agencies that we work with, they like to know that the decisions that they're making reflect, you know, what the community feels, what the community understanding. And so we kind of help try and create that two-way channel. So some of the tactics that I've alluded to in the previous screen, maximizing community outreach and public information, we've kind of got two ways that we go about this. There's providing information to the community, but equally important, getting information back that helps us inform what solutions we need to come up with and what direction it going to work and be, particularly with any kind of a future ballot measure, what's the best way to approach that. Ultimately, you want to win at the ballot box, and so how do you do that? And so understanding what the community priorities are, what their needs are, is critical to forming a program that can win at the ballot box. Just kind of ticking through a couple of vehicles here for effective outreach, the public opinion survey which is FM3 will be helping us develop that. That's not only a way of getting information from the community, but it's a way of also providing information. It kind of begins our community outreach process in the terms of developing the survey and delivering the survey. We'll be looking at talking with between 300 and 400 voters in Sausalito. And so this is an opportunity for them to hear about, you know, what some of the plans are and what some of the issues are. We would certainly expect to be conducting numerous community meetings and workshops, working with the staff on how best to put together a calendar and a plan for those types of things, having as necessary opinion leader meetings, so smaller meetings with opinion leaders or business groups, whatever that may be. Looking at maximizing existing agency communications. So there's various newsletters, e-newsletters, brochures, things that both the district and the city put out that we can use as a communication tool. Some others are paid media, so whether it's a brochure, we decide that there's a real lack of understanding about what this is and we need something to communicate that. We would look at or possibly recommend something like that. Social media, probably not a big tool in this instance. It's just really too hyper-local to really make any sense to do any kind of social media for this. But we certainly would look to maximize earned media. That's through the newspapers, through the local media. And then third-party communication opportunities. So partners or friends where we can get the word out through neighborhood newsletters, certainly in advertising community meetings, but to the extent that we can also provide information through those, that would be something that we would want to look at as well. Just quickly, kind of a timeline that we're looking at. I just want to kind of emphasize this is very tentative. There are still some questions I think we need to answer and certainly the public opinion survey is going to kind of help us with the timing in terms of, you know, where is the receptive electorate. So those are some of the things we'll be aligning here I think in the next couple of months. But starting from today, we would look at, you know, this month to develop and conduct a public opinion survey. Moving into April, May, present those findings and then work with you, work with the fire district, work with others and staff to kind of determine what direction we want to take, that the city wants to take, including timing for any kind of consolidation measure. May, July, we would look to be conducting some of the community outreach that I discussed earlier, the meetings and the workshops, really getting a clear plan together to communicate with the community and get their input. Again, this kind of assumes a November 2011 election. So we would work with the city to prepare a ballot measure in July. Call for the election would probably be no later than early August to make a November 2011 election. And that's generally where kind of the public agency role stops and then any community election volunteer campaign would pick up at that point. And with that, I'll just turn it back to you for any questions. |
| 00:50:31.76 | Herb Weiner | Any questions up here? |
| 00:50:35.42 | Jonathan Leone | RUBIS, WHAT DO YOU SEE, BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH SUN MARIN AND WITH THE CITY? |
| 00:50:35.72 | Herb Weiner | Councilmember. |
| 00:50:44.06 | Jonathan Leone | or the challenges here with educating the public and what do you think are your main hurdles coming at it from your point of view? |
| 00:50:47.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:50:51.72 | Jonathan Leone | without having done the poll, but just with this type of election and with this type of I'm not going to put words in your mouth, sort of to get this sort of merged entity kind of a proposition. Yeah. |
| 00:51:03.89 | Rufus Jeffers | I mean, certainly looking on the face of it from the work that the staff and CityGate has done so far, I mean, there seems to be, as I kind of mentioned earlier, a fairly clear direction forward. You know, I mean, that's just a very black and white look at it. I think how people understand that and I think also, you know, whether there are issues of local control, I'm not sure if that's the case. I know that it's identified as a Sausalito fire department, so that may not be an issue. I think the public opinion survey is going to help us kind of uncover what some of those issues or concerns might be. But, you know, I think, you know, anytime you're asking people to approve a parcel tax, to approve a new tax, you know, that's got to be a concern, particularly in this environment. So even though some of the other options, I think, are clearly less favorable for the city and for residents here, it's, you know, still a difficult time to be making that kind of an argument. So I think I probably would expect that that would be one of the areas where we would need to do some very clear communication on what the different options are, what they mean for the city and for taxpayers here. |
| 00:52:22.49 | Herb Weiner | Any other questions? Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:52:26.05 | Rufus Jeffers | Thank you very much. |
| 00:52:32.52 | Herb Weiner | Do we have any comments from the public on that? Alf? You want to come up to the podium, please? |
| 00:52:41.28 | Unknown | you |
| 00:52:41.33 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. That's okay. And just announce your name again. |
| 00:52:44.77 | Unknown | New Sephora 43 cable roadway. For a prototypical, to the gentleman, for a prototypical campaign of this type, what range of expense are we talking about? |
| 00:52:57.95 | Rufus Jeffers | I think the cost of any campaign, again, will be dictated by, and I don't want to keep falling back on the public opinion survey, but it's going to really kind of show us where voter attitudes are. We've got to, you know, if we get to this point, we've got to reach a two-thirds threshold, which is a difficult threshold, as we all are aware from the state budget and seeing these types of measures elsewhere. So I think, you know, how close we are to that, whether we're there right away or, you know, we need to make up ground is going to dictate kind of the intensity of a campaign. I would be really reluctant to, you know, provide a figure right now. You know, some examples in the past few years with the Mill Valley School District, We, campaigns for parcel taxes there, we did $90,000. I don't think I'd expect that much here in Sausalito. We've got a much smaller electorate, I think in the neighborhood of 2,400 registered voters. So, I think. No, higher. 5,500 somewhere around. 50, about 50. |
| 00:53:58.65 | Herb Weiner | No, higher. 5,500, somewhere around. 50, about 5,400. |
| 00:54:03.71 | Rufus Jeffers | Thank you. and, Yeah, far fewer than Mill Valley, so I would expect, you know. |
| 00:54:07.36 | Jonathan Leone | That's probably how many people voted that you're referring to. |
| 00:54:08.91 | Rufus Jeffers | what you're referring to. Well, that's, yeah, so that, I'm sorry, that's what I would be, we were looking at likely turnout, but it would be a fraction of that of some sort. It's hard to say, maybe, again, I don't want to fit down any figure there, but, you know, I think that would be, if using that as a basis, you know, possibly, you know, $25,000, $30,000 that we might be looking at at the campaign. And again, I think the survey will tell us, you know, how far we are if, you know, if we're close or we need to stretch a bit. |
| 00:54:15.12 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 00:54:35.03 | Unknown | you |
| 00:54:46.12 | Jonathan Leone | and just |
| 00:54:47.15 | Rufus Jeffers | Thank you. |
| 00:54:47.53 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:54:47.59 | Herb Weiner | Go ahead. |
| 00:54:47.79 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:54:47.80 | Rufus Jeffers | Thank you. |
| 00:54:47.82 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:54:47.87 | Rufus Jeffers | Thank you. |
| 00:54:48.07 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:54:48.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:48.48 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:54:48.73 | Rufus Jeffers | Thank you. |
| 00:54:48.77 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:54:50.27 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, this is public. Oh, sure. I was going to open it up for public comment. |
| 00:54:52.92 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, sure. |
| 00:54:56.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. John. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. She walks the stairs. |
| 00:55:01.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:04.54 | Unknown | I just wanted to ask a question. Do we need this? I think in the past we've had... many issues and we have had meetings that we have arranged and called people in over a series of time. Our city manager, as I recall, has a degree in community organization, I think. So can't we do this? I guess I want you to educate me. |
| 00:55:34.03 | Herb Weiner | And we will. John. |
| 00:55:41.55 | John Flavin | My name is John Flavin. I'm a local resident. I'm glad she went first. I think I'm going to echo a little bit what she said. As you recall, back when CityGate made its report, I made the comment to you, I heard a lot of pros for consolidation. I didn't hear a lot of cons. |
| 00:55:45.95 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 00:55:45.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:46.01 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 00:55:57.57 | John Flavin | And when I hire somebody to do public relations, which I basically assume these people are, I look for them to sell me as a product, as a consultant, And they're selling an issue. And I heard unbiased in the report, in the summary here, but I also heard win at the election. And I want to know what that issue is that they're winning on, and has it already been decided by where we're going to go with this, and how we're going to sell it to the community. I don't like that approach. I want to hear, I want you all to assure me that these guys are going to be working on an unbiased level, that they're not going to be selling one side over another. because there are a lot of issues here. This is not a simple concept. I agree with the idea of informing people, but I don't want to have it slanted in that approach. Thank you. |
| 00:56:53.59 | Herb Weiner | can't. I know. |
| 00:56:58.55 | Herb Weiner | Vicky and then Alec after that. |
| 00:57:01.17 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, 117 Caledonia. I can understand how the consultants are not giving a dollar amount now, and I'd just like to speak as the Chair of the Measure S Campaign. that would raise the money for the bond issue. I can understand that there might be some skepticism that this might be needed, but I'm not sure that You can launch a campaign without this kind of help. This is going to be done. The education process will be done. You look at this campaign start is going to be in August for a November election. people are on vacation. And I can tell you for the Measure Ask campaign, we did extensive. In fact, people were begging us to stop. You told us, please, I've already voted. But you do need to educate. And I think in terms of selling an issue, this issue has been going on for years for anybody that's been attending this. This issue came up at the end of the Um, voting on the Proposition B, frankly, the police and fire buildings when we were hearing that the issue of consolidation was going to be coming up. There are some issues that I frankly was very skeptical at the beginning as a former budget person. How can you tell me we're going to save money? If we combine this and we have people going out earlier, we have these pension obligations, But I am convinced at least at this point, after listening to all this, if the education demonstrate to the community about the savings. This came up recently in campaign stuff where there was unclear Um, about the cost of not doing this, if that can be communicated, which I think it can be done in an unbiased manner, then you'll have a chance of really educating the people. But I think it's going to be a sensitive issue, and that's going to have to be done for this to be successful. |
| 00:58:51.12 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Vicki. Alex, did you? |
| 00:58:59.19 | Alice Merrill | Alice Vivac, citizen and resident of Sassinger. Mr. Mayor, can I direct a question to our... Fire chief. |
| 00:59:06.53 | Jonathan Leone | You can just bait it and he can respond to it. |
| 00:59:10.89 | Herb Weiner | You could face us, but he can get up and respond. |
| 00:59:14.77 | Alice Merrill | Chief Irving. Two questions, if I may, back to your earlier report, you said it was in association with the last quarter. Would that have been based on a calendar year, January to December? |
| 00:59:31.46 | Alice Merrill | And therefore, during those three months, Were there any fatalities or injuries to individuals within the city of Sausalito or adjacent areas within our communities? |
| 00:59:49.61 | Alice Merrill | And then the second question would be, was the fire department slash southern Marin Correct me on the exact terminology. fire department personnel involved in the terrorist simulation emergency scenario as was involving police department personnel, and I believe it was November of last year. Those would be the two questions. |
| 01:00:18.45 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:00:23.63 | Unknown | In reference to the fatalities, I can't tell you exactly whether there was or not, but |
| 01:00:23.85 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:00:23.89 | Alice Merrill | reference |
| 01:00:24.43 | Herb Weiner | to |
| 01:00:31.43 | Unknown | In all likelihood, there were. We respond to quite a number of cardiac arrests, which result in deaths, and that's fairly common for us. I can tell you that we also respond to people who jump off the Golden Gate Bridge, And we do probably 50 of those a year, so undoubtedly we did respond to some of those during that time. Were we involved in the exercise of the EOC? Absolutely. |
| 01:01:00.76 | Jonathan Leone | what that was. |
| 01:01:02.11 | Unknown | It was an exercise of the Emergency Operating Center for the City of Sausalito with the intent of using the NIMS, the National Incentive Management System, and having the city staff operate in the EOC to prepare themselves to function better in an actual emergency. The Thank you. Scenario involved a terrorist incident in the city of Sausalito, which basically had two situations, some type of a shooting incident up on Highway 101 in the area of Spencer, as well as an explosion of a bus down in the downtown area. |
| 01:01:47.42 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment? Okay, I'll bring it back up here. Do we have any other questions? Council Member Ford? |
| 01:01:58.54 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, I have a question for the consultant. Thank you, Mr. Mayer. My question is, how many public workshops are you looking at doing? |
| 01:02:12.07 | Rufus Jeffers | I don't think we've determined an exact number. We're going to be meeting very quickly with city staff and with city gate folks from the fire protection district, I think as early as next week to kind of begin to chart out our plan. I think, again, the public opinion survey is going to really kind of help us determine what the level of awareness and knowledge is and, you know, what intensity of outreach and education or information that we need to provide. And just to respond to the gentleman's point, it's an excellent point. It's something I should have emphasized. Any kind of public education information cannot be advocacy. We cannot advocate the city, cannot advocate the public public agency cannot advocate for an election measure. State law prohibits that. So absolutely this would be, you know, unbiased information would be presented in such a way that we're not advocating for certain positions. So I just wanted to make sure that was clear. |
| 01:02:39.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:12.91 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:03:12.94 | Rufus Jeffers | you Thank you. |
| 01:03:13.06 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. while you're up there. And the reason why the city's involvement or the city, whatever this – there's no action item here tonight anyway, but the proposed – |
| 01:03:13.43 | Rufus Jeffers | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:03:21.82 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 01:03:25.14 | Jonathan Leone | outreach effort and polling and other things would stop in August because then a private or an independent action committee, just like in the Measure S campaign, would have to be formed to do any expenditures supporting a ballot initiative or in tax measure as well. |
| 01:03:38.37 | Rufus Jeffers | There's not a, I'm aware of, there's not, and I'm not an elections lawyer, but there's not a clear line on when a public agency should discontinue education or communication up until the election is held. I think there's been some court decisions based on some activities in which agencies have gone close to the line. And so there's no hard and fast line that says August, but that's probably pretty close. |
| 01:04:12.29 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:04:13.37 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, my second question. Council Member Ford. Thank you. Actually, it's for our city manager. Thank you very much. Although I have to say I've never seen an unbiased campaign piece. But for our city mayor, do we have the finance, I mean our city manager. Sorry, Kurt. It's okay. Don't use my name in vain. |
| 01:04:13.71 | Unknown | My second question. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:04:15.23 | Unknown | Council member Ford. |
| 01:04:21.10 | John | Thank you. |
| 01:04:21.23 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 01:04:21.27 | Kat Mullins | Bye. |
| 01:04:30.99 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:04:31.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:31.04 | Herb Weiner | Shitty man. |
| 01:04:31.78 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:04:31.83 | Unknown | . |
| 01:04:31.86 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:04:34.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:34.34 | Herb Weiner | It's okay. Don't use my name in vain. |
| 01:04:36.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:36.67 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:04:37.48 | Carolyn Ford | I'll try not to. Do we have the Financial Overview Committee on board now to look at the fire consolidation process and projects? |
| 01:04:50.71 | Adam Politzer | I wish I could answer that question for you, Councilmember Ford. I know there was the bond oversight for the public safety facilities, bond oversight committee meeting during my absence on vacation and on the agenda was to ask the members of that committee to continue to serve the city. At the end of the day, it's a council action that even if they agreed, it doesn't mean that it is until the council actually... gives them the direction to serve in that capacity. So that's the council action. if we want to have the bond oversight committee change into a financial review committee for this action. |
| 01:05:38.15 | Herb Weiner | All right, Vice Mayor Kelly. |
| 01:05:39.80 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:05:39.87 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:05:40.34 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 01:05:40.56 | Mike Kelly | you Since I wrote the scope of the oversight committee and we labored over that considerably to get it right, I think what would have to be done, if my memory serves me, Mary could correct me, but we would have to reconstitute that committee with a different scope and purpose and then poll each of them to see who would be willing to serve under that new mandate. And that was brought up. I was at the Bond to Oversight Committee meeting, and it was brought up. We have one person there who probably won't serve because of health issues and beyond, and one person who is turned out not around a lot. So that leaves three on that committee that could possibly, and there was some expression of interest, but that's where it was left. |
| 01:06:10.50 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:06:34.66 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:06:34.82 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:06:34.87 | Jonathan Leone | Mr. Member. |
| 01:06:34.97 | Herb Weiner | Remember Leon? |
| 01:06:36.28 | Jonathan Leone | I'll go ahead if you have a following on that same question. |
| 01:06:38.28 | Carolyn Ford | I just, I do have just a follow-up on that. I have talked to a couple people in the general community who would be interested in that committee. So I think we could populate it. |
| 01:06:40.22 | Mike Kelly | Thank you very much, Council Member Fogart. |
| 01:06:41.68 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:06:50.14 | Herb Weiner | Amen. Okay, I don't remember Leon. Thank you. |
| 01:06:54.49 | Jonathan Leone | Where has this come from? What is the need for financial oversight of what? Somebody clue me in here. |
| 01:07:06.07 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, thank you, Councilmember Leon. My apologies. Councilmember Ford and I had a regular meeting. followed up on a request that she had made at a previous council meeting about looking at having an independent resident committee take a look at the numbers that CityGate and our finance director Charlie Francis has put forward to make sure that there is some level of community involvement and oversight. And it was my suggestion that the existing public safety facilities bond oversight committee, which did a very good job working with staff and working with the council and working to do their job, that rather than looking for a new group of folks to see if those folks would be interested in continuing in that capacity. And if there was an interest, and again we did it at the bond oversight committee meeting if there was an interest and the council members or member that attend those meetings felt that it was a an idea worth considering then our staff would then bring that back to the council for their consideration so I apologize for not taking council member Ford's question and illuminating the rest of the council. |
| 01:08:29.43 | Carolyn Ford | And if I could follow on that, one of the concerns that I have unearthed in talking to residents is, you know, what are the finances? And I think that our community would have more be, those concerns would be allayed if we had a group of residents looking at the finances. So that's the whole thing, and I think the idea of when we come around to the campaign, um, for this program, that having that kind of information and having had the residents vet it will be very, very useful. |
| 01:09:14.62 | Herb Weiner | Council Member Lyon. |
| 01:09:16.58 | Jonathan Leone | Forgive me for trying to restrain myself as much as possible here, but you have five residents who vet this. Just because you didn't either understand it or didn't like what it spelled out doesn't mean we have to and list a whole other batch of committees to review something. |
| 01:09:32.58 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:09:32.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:36.27 | Jonathan Leone | Now, if you don't understand it, I know Charlie spent hours discussing this with you. if you don't Thank you. you feel you don't like what the numbers point out. because you just don't want to believe them. Well, that's your opinion, but we don't need another committee to run through it and say, to try and fish for people that you stack the committee with To say what you wanted to say. |
| 01:09:56.08 | Carolyn Ford | Excuse me, I will respond to that, Mr. Mayor, just briefly. Okay, very briefly. Yes, and that is to say I do understand the issues, and I think that it would be a wise move to have the residents understand the figures and the issues. |
| 01:09:57.59 | Jonathan Leone | I agree. |
| 01:10:00.62 | Herb Weiner | Okay, very good. |
| 01:10:01.59 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:10:16.65 | Herb Weiner | Well, I think when all is done here that they will, and the workshops and everything going forward, hopefully will be, I think workshops will really bring out the answers and hopefully Well, uh... the residents will understand it. For the sake of time, I'd rather. It was early in the meeting. We could talk about this back and forth and still end up |
| 01:10:37.55 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 01:10:44.55 | Herb Weiner | where we were five minutes ago. So, unless it's very important. |
| 01:10:46.71 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor. It is, every council member. |
| 01:10:49.39 | Herb Weiner | Every council member. Thank you. FIFA. |
| 01:10:52.19 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So I just want to say for the record that I think any time we have an opportunity to involve our residents in this way on an issue that impacts every resident It's a It's a great idea. And we know that I was at the Bond Oversight Committee meeting along with Council Member Kelly, and there was enthusiasm in that room with respect to stepping up to the plate. That's what I heard. And so I would definitely support that. I think it's a great idea. And, you know, I regret that Council Member Leon made the statement that the... |
| 01:11:28.36 | Unknown | Well, thank you. |
| 01:11:41.08 | Jonathan Leone | Don't understand these figures. It's been apparent since the beginning that you haven't done your homework and then you don't understand what neither of you, what the figures dictate. |
| 01:11:44.79 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:11:44.99 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm not sure. |
| 01:11:47.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:47.93 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:11:48.07 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:11:48.10 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:11:48.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:48.23 | Herb Weiner | I'm sorry. |
| 01:11:50.31 | Linda Pfeifer | Point of order. Excuse me. I have the floor. |
| 01:11:51.04 | Herb Weiner | Excuse me. I have the floor. Excuse me. I know, and now I have the floor. I think we've spent enough time we can go back and forth on this. I really want to move it along. And I think if there's any, we're not voting on anything here. |
| 01:11:52.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:09.19 | Herb Weiner | Let's end this now and let's move on to the next item. |
| 01:12:12.30 | Jonathan Leone | I have one more thing to throw in here. It's interesting that people are saying, don't bother to hire someone to educate the public as to what the issues are here and what the facts are here that Mr. Flavin put forward. Obviously, he wasn't here, didn't live here when the public safety building was a concern, but that was the problem. |
| 01:12:13.87 | Herb Weiner | in. |
| 01:12:14.10 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:12:14.15 | Herb Weiner | about what we're doing. |
| 01:12:14.51 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:12:29.92 | Jonathan Leone | there wasn't enough education. Excuse me. Or you weren't paying attention. Because obviously you would understand the value of educating people and people who constantly beg for the ficious transparency argument saying, let's not educate, let's not spend the money to educate the community, are just twisting facts back and forth and trying to just maneuver the same issue when it's in their favor and when it's not. And when Mr. Flavin, who runs for office, will flush these issues out, since that seems to be where he's going now, attending every issue. Excuse me, hold on. |
| 01:12:31.77 | Jonathan Leone | Excuse me. |
| 01:12:43.42 | Kat Mullins | Yeah. |
| 01:12:57.35 | Herb Weiner | Excuse me, hold on. I'm gonna end it now. |
| 01:13:01.05 | Jonathan Leone | You have no control over the flow of the meeting. The mayor does. It's not a point of order. |
| 01:13:03.77 | Herb Weiner | Stop. The mayor does. Stop. It's not a point of order. Excuse me. I'm going to stop it now. |
| 01:13:08.02 | Jonathan Leone | Now, if you know what point of order meant, you know it doesn't apply. So do a little reading on how meetings flow. |
| 01:13:09.39 | Herb Weiner | Excuse me. Okay. Look, we're going to stop. We're going to stop on this item. I guarantee all of you, council, and the residents in this town, you will get an education and you will know the facts of what's going on. Believe me, even if I have to go knock at every door and I know how to do that, |
| 01:13:30.73 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:13:30.85 | Herb Weiner | Okay, so... |
| 01:13:30.97 | Jonathan Leone | Okay, so... Thank you. |
| 01:13:32.61 | Herb Weiner | Let's move on and thank you. Next item on is the roles and responsibilities of the Housing Element Committee. Lily? Oh, Jeremy, Jimmy Graves. |
| 01:13:45.30 | Jeremy Graves | Jimmy Graves. |
| 01:13:52.37 | Jeremy Graves | Mayor, members of council, I'm Jeremy Graves. I'm standing in for Associate Planner Lily Shinsing. I think we can see that. Staff report regarding the housing element committee. |
| 01:13:59.86 | Herb Weiner | I think we can see that. I think we can see that. |
| 01:14:04.89 | Jeremy Graves | As you recall, at your February 1st meeting, you received a status report from Lili Shin Singh on the housing element, and at the conclusion of that meeting, you directed staff to return with a resolution regarding several items on the housing element committee organization. At your February 15th meeting, City Council received a report on a revised, excuse me, on a resolution establishing the roles and responsibilities of the Housing and Helmet Committee. Following discussion, the Council directed staff to return with the revised resolution which changed the term citizen to city resident and also requested further discussion, further council discussion on this resolution. That resolution is attached to your staff report and we seek direction from the council on the resolution. That concludes our staff report and we're available for questions. |
| 01:14:51.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:06.25 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 01:15:09.98 | Herb Weiner | what we have up here. Okay. |
| 01:15:14.78 | Linda Pfeifer | uh, |
| 01:15:16.46 | Herb Weiner | Councilmember Pfeiffer. |
| 01:15:18.67 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm sorry, yeah. No, I can go. I can call questions and then to the public and then I'll |
| 01:15:19.83 | Herb Weiner | Oh, do we go public? I'm sorry, yeah. No, I can go. I can call questions and then to the public and then back again. That's okay. Any questions or staff? I'll take all the help I can. Okay. Council Member Pfeiffer, you may speak. |
| 01:15:27.02 | Linda Pfeifer | That's okay. Thank you. |
| 01:15:28.28 | Mike Kelly | Questions or staff? I'll take all the help I can. |
| 01:15:35.42 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, I guess my question is we had earlier, there's been a debate with respect to the term task force and committee, you know, ad hoc committee. |
| 01:15:47.20 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:15:47.30 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. And so I see at the top it says regarding the housing element committee So is this, is the term task force, and it has repercussions. You know, it has different set of rules evidently. I just wanted clarity that this is referring to |
| 01:16:05.51 | Herb Weiner | you Thank you. Mary, can I have some clarity on that, please? |
| 01:16:09.32 | Linda Pfeifer | I have some clever... |
| 01:16:10.20 | Mary Wagner | the Yeah, I think this issue is coming up because of the language in Section 2.58.030 of the Municipal Code, which indicates that Council appointments to various commissions, committees are subject to the chapter, but that Council appointments to any task force or working groups shall not be subject to the provisions of the chapter. |
| 01:16:17.65 | Herb Weiner | Right. |
| 01:16:18.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:32.27 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. If you want to call it a committee or a task force and clarify What... Process is being followed. you can do that. So if you want to call it the Housing Element Task Force to be ultimately clear about the Council's intent with the application of 2.58 you can call it a task force or a working group. So that's where that distinction was coming from. |
| 01:16:57.23 | Herb Weiner | And my answer to you is |
| 01:16:57.67 | Mike Kelly | I propose we make that change. |
| 01:16:59.60 | Herb Weiner | And I agree. Some call it a spear, some call it an arrow. |
| 01:17:07.91 | Linda Pfeifer | And Jeremy, just a follow-up clarification as to the difference and the reason why the terminology here is very important is that it's my understanding that with the task force, the mayor can appoint a chair and a vice chair, whereas with a committee, the committee votes and elects their own chair and elects their own vice chair. Is that correct, Mary? |
| 01:17:37.82 | Mary Wagner | So under 2.58.070 of the Muni Code, each city board commission or committee annually elects one of its members as chairperson for a one-year term. |
| 01:17:37.84 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:17:47.47 | Mary Wagner | No person may be elected as chairperson for more than two consecutive years. and you can't be re-elected after serving two consecutive terms without the passage of at least one year. Um, the resolution that has been brought before the Council with respect to the Housing Element Task Force. indicates that the mayor can make that appointment. It's... is up to the discretion of the Council on how to word that, but it's the distinction between the application of 2.58 and the resolution that the Council has in front of it tonight. |
| 01:18:17.22 | Linda Pfeifer | RESIDENT. So the answer is yes then. The answer is just because you call it. |
| 01:18:21.54 | Mary Wagner | The answer is just because you call it a task force doesn't mean that the mayor appoints them. |
| 01:18:24.66 | Linda Pfeifer | the mayor appoints them. I understand. But the criteria which has been defined here states that the mayor then would be appointing the vice chair and the chair, whereas if it were a regular committee that the committee itself would elect its own vice chair and its own chair. |
| 01:18:43.87 | Mary Wagner | If it was a committee subject to 2.58, that's correct. |
| 01:18:46.35 | Linda Pfeifer | 2.58, right, which it was before. |
| 01:18:48.79 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 01:18:50.36 | Herb Weiner | Okay. So we'll call it a task force. Okay, are there any other comments? Councilman. Thank you. |
| 01:18:59.75 | Mike Kelly | question. |
| 01:18:60.00 | Herb Weiner | Questions? Okay. At this time here, any public comment on this? |
| 01:19:00.15 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:19:09.20 | Herb Weiner | Okay, I'll bring it back up to the council. |
| 01:19:11.64 | Mike Kelly | I'd like to make a motion that we approve resolutions of the City Council regarding the Housing Element Task Force. Change the name to Task Force. And I so move that we adopt that resolution. |
| 01:19:25.13 | Herb Weiner | Can I have a second? |
| 01:19:26.56 | Jonathan Leone | Just a point of clarification, so make that change throughout the resolution. Thank you. |
| 01:19:32.20 | Unknown | Hold on a second. |
| 01:19:33.06 | Herb Weiner | Okay, all in favor? Aye. Point of order. Sorry, okay, council member Ford. |
| 01:19:35.54 | Carolyn Ford | I'm sorry. Okay. Councilman? I'm just really... Thank you. Okay, I'm having an issue with the way we are going, the council is going about actually what I consider circumventing our city ordinances in changing the name of the committee to a task force to avoid having the members of the committee elect their own their own leaders. And in two meetings ago, when I asked about this, I asked, you know, what's the difference between a committee and a task force? And I was told by one of our council members that the only difference is that it's temporary. It's a temporary committee. And so based on that, I went ahead and said, okay. I'll agree to go along with that. Now I find out that We are... supposedly giving the mayor the power to appoint members of the committee to the chair and the co-chairs. This is against city ordinance. And secondly, the mayor doesn't have the power to do that. The mayor's powers are the same as each city council member's. He has no further or additional powers. We are a general law city. We're not a charter city. The council elects our mayor, not the residents. And we have been through this issue once before, in the late 90s, when one of our mayors appointed members to a committee or tried to do that and we had a lawsuit so I am opposed to this resolution I think that it it takes the independence away from the committee. It politicizes the committee. And I feel that it is actually illegal. |
| 01:22:07.50 | Herb Weiner | Wait a minute. Mary, can I have an interpretation of this? |
| 01:22:16.12 | Mary Wagner | if the City Council determines that this is not a board or committee subject to 2.58. You can adopt the rules and regulations that you see fit to govern that committee through the form of a resolution. |
| 01:22:27.49 | Herb Weiner | No, I'd like to say something on that. I'm the least one. that that you'll see up here that will ever play politics at all. I don't stack decks. I don't put people on there because I think I like them. I put people on there because I'm a person, as everybody knows in this community, to get results. And that's the way I do it. I stepped in on this committee. and I... I felt that by going to a couple of meetings and observing it, to move this thing ahead. I felt that And first of all, when I first became mayor, And I made it noted. that, And for years in this community before, we never had to my knowledge, council people being chair people. It doesn't fit. You're going to be on a force or a committee, and now you're going to fight with a council person on there who literally almost has the last say. And that is why this was brought up And I'm... The only thing I'm saying to you, and I'll say it to all of you, With me, there will be no politics. This will be a small community, and we're going to get some results done, and that's the way I want it to go. |
| 01:23:58.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:23:59.01 | Linda Pfeifer | All right. |
| 01:23:59.28 | Herb Weiner | Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:24:00.31 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:24:00.37 | Herb Weiner | So don't get my Irish up. |
| 01:24:01.93 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, may I respond? I don't think the issue is the fact that, you know, not having a city council member as chair. You know, I understand that. |
| 01:24:04.95 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:24:14.90 | Herb Weiner | And he wasn't the only community. |
| 01:24:16.52 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, I understand that completely. No problem. I guess my issue with this is that we are taking away the autonomy, the ability of the committee itself to elect their own members. Now it's fine to say that you're taking the city council members off the table, they can't be elected, that's fine. But I still believe that we should empower our volunteer residents to elect the choose to elect the leaders of their committee. And especially when we're talking about issues that are controversial. to elect the leaders of their committee. And especially when we're talking about issues that are controversial, we need to empower our residents. And I don't feel that the guidelines in this task force, I think it's a serious departure from the way we typically set up our committees and the way we empower committees. And I'm very concerned, I agree, that this politicizes this. And I would also say that when I voted for this as a task force that I was also told by another council member that the only difference with the task force was that it was, you know, just a technical better term for what this committee would do because it would come together and then do a task and then disband. I wasn't told that it changed the game, changed the rules of the game. And so I take great exception to this. |
| 01:25:43.63 | Herb Weiner | Okay, well. My direction nonetheless is we have a mandate by 2014 And we're going to go ahead and get some results with this. I'm willing to go through process and all of that, but to me, the most important thing, and for our community, is to get the results, and that's why they put us up here as leaders to get the results. So we have a motion on the floor. |
| 01:26:11.76 | Mike Kelly | So we have to. I'd like to call a question. |
| 01:26:15.34 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 01:26:16.82 | Linda Pfeifer | and I would request a roll call vote. Thank you. |
| 01:26:19.15 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 01:26:26.33 | Unknown | Councilmember Pfeiffer? |
| 01:26:27.78 | Linda Pfeifer | No. |
| 01:26:29.41 | Unknown | Councilmember Leon. |
| 01:26:32.18 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. But let me, I didn't get my time, so I reserve it at the end after the vote. |
| 01:26:36.06 | Herb Weiner | Oh, I apologize. OK. I'm sorry. |
| 01:26:40.65 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, I let you in here. |
| 01:26:42.04 | Unknown | Vice Mayor Kelly. |
| 01:26:42.10 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Yes. |
| 01:26:46.36 | Unknown | Council member Ford? No. Mayor Weiner? |
| 01:26:49.95 | Herb Weiner | Yes. Council Member Leon. |
| 01:26:53.97 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, I think it's, again, some of this is very subjective, obviously, but the ability to say a process has become politicized after, and I guess I bear some blame for this in letting the composition of the previous housing element committee to be largely folks that were picked by Ms. Pfeiffer and Ms. Ford as an attempt to let them undertake a project and get something done. And that's how it got politicized. It's not a balanced committee. It hadn't been up to this point in time, though I respect all the individuals that participate there having attended those meetings, they're not as participatory as generally because of the flow and how they've managed as most committee meetings have been because of who's running them. Talk about politicization, there's always going to be politics. I somewhat disagree with you because each of us have our own opinions. But that committee as its staff now is very politicized, and now we're trying to de-politicize it, actually. |
| 01:27:56.74 | Carolyn Ford | The council appointed a committee |
| 01:27:57.59 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. A committee. Okay, I don't want... Listen, one of the things that prompted me to go in this direction is here we had an Committee. that. was lagging one person and for one year Nobody filled that seat. Now we have two seats open. And. there wasn't even enough to have a quorum. Now, all those people that volunteer and come down and give their time to come down and sit at a meeting, because there's not enough people that shows up, is not what I call the way we should be going. And that's why the steps were taken like I did. You can't wait a whole year now and not make a move and bring someone on? What's going on? And that's why it prompted me to make that decision. So with that, we have a motion. We have it voted. On to the next item. Thank you. I'm getting my work out tonight. Well, I was better off pumping gas. Okay. Welcome to the show. All right. Next we have the... |
| 01:29:07.85 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:29:07.89 | Jonathan Leone | Welcome to the show. |
| 01:29:12.81 | Herb Weiner | the review. of a draft letter to the city of San Francisco regarding environmental impact report on America's Cup. And that would be. Heidi Burns. |
| 01:29:32.80 | Heidi | Good evening, Mayor Weiner, members of the City Council. My presentation's gonna pop up pretty soon. |
| 01:29:45.05 | Heidi | As we all know, on December 31st of last year, Larry Ellison, winner of the most recent America's Cup, announced that the city of San Francisco was going to be the host city for the 2013 America's Cup, which was a very exciting announcement for anybody that knows anything about the America's Cup racing. Because of the scope and magnitude of that project, the City of San Francisco have determined that an environmental impact report pursuant to the California, sorry, California Environmental Quality Act would be required, and there are necessary steps to that process. So the purpose of this presentation is to, one, go over a brief background on what the America's Cup is, discuss a little bit about the CEQA process, the purpose and the pending process, as well as a draft comment letter which will be sent to the City of San Francisco regarding some preliminary concerns relating to the America's Cup. |
| 01:30:42.79 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:30:45.24 | Heidi | So the America's Cup is one of the oldest active trophies in international sports. It's a yachting race that started in 1851. And basically the winner of this race is able to choose a host city to race in. And as we know, Larry Ellison won with his USA 17 vote and he has chosen San Francisco. |
| 01:31:04.75 | Andrew Davidson | Yeah. |
| 01:31:04.97 | Kat Mullins | CHECK. |
| 01:31:06.76 | Heidi | So what does this mean? And where will the races be held? And what does it actually consist of? There's going to be a series of five races, and within those races, they're going to have two types of boats. So the first race that's going to begin in the summer of this year would be the America's Cup 45 boats. These are catamarans with wing sails. They go very fast in their high performance. Then in 2000, summer of 2012, they will have the AC-72 boats, which are significantly larger than the AC-45 boats, which you can see in the diagram on the bottom of my presentation. Then in the spring, summer of 2013, there are going to be another series of America's Cup boat races with AC-72s. The purpose of the 2012-13 races is really to get all the international boats familiar with the San Francisco Bay waters and get them really prepared for the future. the Louis Vuitton Cup, which is the boat race that's going to decide who will race Larry Ellison in the actual America's Cup. race, which is slated to occur in September of 2013. The diagram on the top right of my presentation includes a race area that was part of the notice of preparation that was issued to the public. And Sausalito will have front row seats to this race along the southern border. |
| 01:32:34.89 | Herb Weiner | That's up for debate. In fact, I just heard from this evening that it has shifted again. |
| 01:32:36.09 | Heidi | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:32:41.44 | Heidi | Okay, well based on the information that has been provided to the city. |
| 01:32:41.46 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. So. And I got a call about two hours ago. |
| 01:32:46.81 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 01:32:46.87 | Linda Pfeifer | everything. |
| 01:32:47.08 | Heidi | I'm sorry. |
| 01:32:47.13 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm sorry, what has shifted? Yes. They don't have to pick it. |
| 01:32:51.92 | Heidi | Okay, well based on the information that's identified in the information, this report and also the information that has been issued by the city of San Francisco, it appears as though that Sausalito was going to have front row seats to be decided at a later date and time. Yeah. So as part of the CEQA process, |
| 01:33:17.60 | Jonathan Leone | By the way, the graphics, I gotta interrupt you. Very good, Charlie would be impressed. |
| 01:33:20.88 | Heidi | Right. Thank you. No animation, though. So sorry about that. So the California Environmental Quality Act, CEQA, has a variety of processes. And the first process would be the notice of preparation. San Francisco's already identified it's going to be preparing this environmental impact report. And this notice of preparation is the first notice given to the public and affected agencies to identify what the scope of the project is. The second component of the process, which isn't a requirement, would be a scoping meeting. And that solicits comments from the general public to allow an opportunity to bring up issues that maybe the environmental impact report should consider. There were two scoping meetings that the city of San Francisco provided on February 23rd and 24th. Staff went to the scoping meeting on February 23rd. Regarding the scoping meeting and notice of preparation, Sausalito has an opportunity to look at what the city has prepared and identify if we want to ask them to include any other information into their EIR. Regarding... you know, the next steps of the EIR process. They'll take the comments. The City of San Francisco will draft an EIR. They'll send out a notice letting people know that this draft EIR is available. They'll provide comments and responses to the draft EIR They will hold public hearings. They'll review a mitigation monitoring report. project gets approved and the race is on its way, subject to them complying with their mitigation measures that may be identified in their Yeah, I are. Other public opportunities beyond the city's first initial you know, part right now, which would be the notice of preparation, would be in steps four and five identified in this chart to the right. And that basically means that the city is able to provide written comments during the draft EIR process, and we are also able to provide verbal comments during any public hearing regarding this project. |
| 01:35:32.28 | Heidi | So in reading the notice of preparation and looking at what kind of environmental impacts would be created for the city. staff has identified a variety of impacts. This was based on the fact that Cavello Point was identified in the notice of preparation that they were designated spectator area. What does that mean? It means that they're going to the America's Cup group is going to try to attract people to Covello Point to watch the races. Since Sausalito is, you know, less than a half a mile as a crow flies, there's a strong probability that people are going to be coming to Sausalito for one purpose or another. So regarding the first impact, the city of Sausalito doesn't really have any good figures or current figures regarding our tourism and the demographics of where people are coming and how many people are coming. The only information that's publicly out there is that the San Francisco Visitors Bureau has identified that out of the 15 million annual visitors, approximately 14% of them come over to Sausalito. But above and beyond that, we don't know what's going to happen. America's Cup is becoming more popular and that a lot of people are going to be coming to our general area. So our population in terms of visitors is going to increase. well what kind of impacts is that gonna have on us? You know, it's gonna have traffic impacts, it's gonna have It's going to have impacts in terms of people riding more bicycles to Sausalito. It's going to have impacts in terms of our public services, such as fire, police, impacts to our public works department. Does Sausalito have enough restroom facilities? Well, we only have one building in our downtown, Do we have the capacity to serve those people coming to our city? Refuse, how much garbage is going to be generated by these additional visitors coming? Are we going to need to hire additional staffing during these times to meet up with the demands of all these people that could be coming to Sausalito? Another significant impact could be on our bus and ferry services. Are they going to increase ridership? Are they going to be able to meet the demands of that increased ridership? What does it mean in terms of the buses coming to Sausalito with the additional traffic? Are they going to be able to meet their arrival and departure times? What does this mean for the city? There's also waterfront impacts in terms of boats coming to anchor and use our services. Sausalito is known around the world as being one of the best anchorages in the Bay Area. It's safe, it's protected. How many people are really going to come and what are those impacts on Richardson Bay in terms of capacity? Also, we have a rich biological diversity in our communities. in our city limits as well. What are the impacts going to be on the intertidal marshes? What are the impacts going to be on our birds? So what we have is we've drafted a letter for your consideration this evening that has identified some of these impacts, and we're requesting that the City of San Francisco analyze these impacts, or at least provide us comments on how they're going to address these concerns. So with that, staff is requesting the city council to review the letter, provide any additional comments, add anything that you'd like us to put in this letter, and then authorize the mayor to sign the letter when it's completed. |
| 01:38:51.51 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Heidi. Vice Mayor Kelly. |
| 01:38:53.59 | Mike Kelly | Is it true the letter has to be in by March 11th, as I read it correctly? March 11th is the deadline. So we don't have any time to waste. Yeah, I was going to make that point. |
| 01:38:56.25 | Heidi | So we don't have any time to waste. Yeah, I was going to make that point. Sam thinks we got everything, but I'm sure there's something. |
| 01:39:02.41 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:39:02.46 | Jonathan Leone | That thinks we got everything. Heidi, is it too early to suggest mitigation, even just to put it in the till, just to get it flow? I mean, I know it's early in the process, but in terms of the final, you know, formal process, but to get the discussions rolling. |
| 01:39:14.22 | Heidi | Thank you. but it's... |
| 01:39:19.99 | Jonathan Leone | What is it? |
| 01:39:20.25 | Heidi | It's not too late at all. |
| 01:39:22.02 | Jonathan Leone | No, too early, I said. |
| 01:39:22.78 | Heidi | I mean, sorry, it's not too early to provide that information in the process. |
| 01:39:26.17 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. I mean, we may not have a lot of time given the, but there may be some things we might want to point out as addressing some of these concerns. if there are immediate solutions that lead to mind that we would like them to take. |
| 01:39:38.32 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:39:38.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:38.52 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:39:38.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:38.59 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:39:38.61 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:39:40.41 | Unknown | MS. |
| 01:39:40.90 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, just to the point, they'll be required, whatever we bring up, they're going to be required to address and either find that it has significant or not significant. Yeah, no, but I'm saying it is... |
| 01:39:47.45 | Jonathan Leone | or not significant or... Yeah, no, but I'm saying it's better to try and negotiate those things up front than it is to rely on the... I mean, what body does this go in front of the EIR at the end of the day? For the supervisors. Yeah, so I mean, your ability to influence that document at that point in time is pretty next to zero. So unless you've got friends on the support system. No, no, the time to do it is... |
| 01:39:51.52 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. I mean, |
| 01:39:53.83 | Kat Mullins | that was a good thing. |
| 01:39:56.29 | Mike Kelly | for the supervisor. |
| 01:39:56.97 | Kat Mullins | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:40:03.28 | Mike Kelly | unless you're in the office. GO. on the Superports Center. No, no, the time to do it is now to identify the issues and then to continue on with that as they come up with the mitigations for those. No, but I'm saying we, we, we, we, |
| 01:40:07.41 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. But... |
| 01:40:12.69 | Jonathan Leone | No, but I'm saying we, I would say it's better for us to suggest mitigations earlier on rather than rely on them to come up with what they think the mitigation |
| 01:40:17.40 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:40:17.45 | Unknown | you. |
| 01:40:17.66 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:40:17.77 | John | Thank you. |
| 01:40:17.79 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:40:19.04 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:40:19.11 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:40:21.45 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, but as a practicality, yes, if we can. Right. But as a practical matter, we're going to be dumping the mitigations on them from here on out. No, I know, but I mean... Because we can't really come up with everything we need to come up with by the... I'm not saying that. |
| 01:40:25.15 | Jonathan Leone | Right. the mitigations Thank you. No, I know, but I mean... I'm not saying that, but if there are some that we know... Mary? |
| 01:40:36.88 | Mary Wagner | And as you know, we're at the scoping process at this point, so we're trying to raise concerns for them that we're saying have to be addressed in the document. We'll have another bite at the apple. before the document is adopted to do exactly what you're suggesting, is to say, hey, you know what, you forgot about the intersection at Bridgeway and blah-de-blah, and we suggest you do X, Y, Z because you haven't mitigated it enough. |
| 01:41:02.15 | Jonathan Leone | I understand that well enough, but I think the timeframe for this is going to be very accelerated for this EIRC. Your time to influence it is rather limited, even if there are – I know there are formal points, but you're better off earlier on rather than waiting for the document to be a part of that discussion of mitigations would be my recommendation. |
| 01:41:22.69 | Herb Weiner | Well, there's no question, the earlier we get on this, I think definitely no matter what, the better we will all be for it in this town because |
| 01:41:31.35 | Linda Pfeifer | Mm-hmm. Miss Moon. |
| 01:41:33.63 | Herb Weiner | It's going to be chaotic. and it's a matter of how well we manage it. Councilmember Pfeiffer. |
| 01:41:40.78 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Yes, Heidi, could we include a reference to residents in the last paragraph? We refer to the city's primary objectives are to preserve and protect Saucido's natural resources, provide a high-quality experience for visitors, plan for needs and services, etc. and something perhaps that refers to our residents, kind of quality as well. They all might be renting their homes |
| 01:42:12.37 | Herb Weiner | They all might be renting their homes, they might not be here. |
| 01:42:14.87 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 01:42:15.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:19.31 | Herb Weiner | Okay. All right. Thank you, Heidi. Thank you. Very good presentation. Any comments from the public? Alex. |
| 01:42:33.82 | Alice Merrill | I could ask you to clarify. Can you have to state your name again, please? Thank you. Alex Vivak, citizen resident of South Carolina. |
| 01:42:34.82 | Kat Mullins | You too, clarify. You have to state your name again. Thank you. |
| 01:42:41.82 | Alice Merrill | I might ask you to clarify four points, Heidi, based upon your presentation, recognizing that information can change at times. |
| 01:42:51.23 | Herb Weiner | Face us again, and then you can rattle off, and she'll get up and respond. Thank you. |
| 01:42:59.10 | Alice Merrill | Four points. |
| 01:43:00.06 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, you face us and then she, oh, okay. |
| 01:43:00.57 | Alice Merrill | You face us and then she... To be clarified. Include firstly... |
| 01:43:03.98 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 01:43:04.70 | Alice Merrill | Can we assume, based upon mention of an EIR, and potentially the requirement for an EIS that both Cal EPA and US EPA Region 9 would be involved. in the assessment. The second question, or point of clarification, would be what is it specifically that would The third is recognizing that regulations can also change with time. hopefully for the better. And based on seven years of professional experience as an environmental consultant, Might I ask if it's the city of San Francisco that's requesting the preparation of the EIR? preparing the EIR and why it is that the Board of Supervisors would be approving. Thank you. LEIR. |
| 01:43:59.07 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. Heidi? |
| 01:44:05.87 | Alice Merrill | And if those are points that might require some follow-up outside of this council meeting, I could appreciate that. |
| 01:44:17.08 | Heidi | Can I just ask you, first of all, under your first point you identified some agencies. Would you mind stating those agencies? |
| 01:44:18.61 | Unknown | Go ahead. |
| 01:44:18.98 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. |
| 01:44:27.25 | Heidi | Let me answer that question first. So pursuant to CEQA, there are a variety of state and federal agencies that are considered either trustee agencies, those agencies that would be impacted specifically by the project, and there would be also other regulatory agencies that would be part of the review process. Through that process, the process of the review You know, the city of San Francisco will be acting as lead agency, and those other agencies would be providing comments in terms of what additional conditions of approval or mitigation measures should be incorporated into the document to |
| 01:45:03.86 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:45:04.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:04.11 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:45:04.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:04.23 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:45:08.97 | Heidi | potentially significant impacts to a less than significant level. Those are terms used by CEQA. Heidi. Sorry. Okay. |
| 01:45:14.84 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:45:17.09 | Heidi | Regarding what issues are going to be mitigated and monitored. It's a little bit premature to actually know what issues the environmental document is going to come up with Again, there are thresholds regarding no significant impact, less than significant impacts, potentially significant impacts, and significant impacts. Those projects that reach a threshold of potentially significant and significant impacts would need to be mitigated. Those impacts that are either no impact or less than significant do not need to be impacted. In some situations, there are going to be significant impacts that are generated by a project. What the City of San Francisco is able to do is they can adopt a statement of overriding considerations and findings of fact that which basically state that Although the city realizes that there are these impacts based on the other goods of the project, it's okay for this project to proceed. And those are all findings that need to be vetted through this public process that's required by the state. Regarding number three, I think I missed that one. So if it's okay if I can address number four. The notice of preparation was prepared by the City of San Francisco. They have their own environmental review department that's preparing the majority of these documents. |
| 01:46:22.58 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:46:22.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:46:22.68 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:46:47.30 | Heidi | From my understanding of what was relayed at the scoping meeting, they have hired a couple environmental consultants, which I don't have the contact names at this point in time, but I can provide that information at a later time. Um, that will be facilitating various components of the environmental impact report. And the Board of Supervisors would be taking action on this document because based on the land use permitting process, they are the highest level that needs to permit it. So based on the Board of Supervisors being the lead agency and the highest permit level, they are the ultimate decision makers on this project. |
| 01:47:24.73 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:47:26.75 | Heidi | So I apologize that I wasn't able to write down question number three. We'll ask her to come back. |
| 01:47:29.42 | Jonathan Leone | and able to get it. We'll ask her to come back. |
| 01:47:32.90 | Heidi | Okay. |
| 01:47:32.93 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Okay. Okay, you have to come back up. |
| 01:47:35.44 | Herb Weiner | Okay, yeah. |
| 01:47:36.03 | John Sweeney | You have to come back up. Sorry, Alex. |
| 01:47:37.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:41.27 | Alice Merrill | opportunity to stretch one place. The third point of clarification was regarding the potential involvement of two different agencies. I apologize for using acronyms without defining them. California Environmental Protection Agency, or CalEPA, and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Region 9, which would include San Francisco and more significantly where the event would be taking place on the Bay, San Francisco Bay waters. |
| 01:48:03.98 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:48:15.83 | Alice Merrill | or US EPA Region 9, as last I was familiar with it. It has been a few years. |
| 01:48:22.88 | Jonathan Leone | You're correct. And my understanding is it goes through the clearinghouse like every other EIR and the state clearinghouse is supposed to contact, send out a notice to all the impacted agencies. Whether they choose to comment or not, I'm sure. |
| 01:48:23.42 | Alice Merrill | Correct. |
| 01:48:24.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:24.25 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. |
| 01:48:37.31 | Jonathan Leone | I was gonna ask Heidi a separate question along these lines, so we'll, they will get notice of this from the state clearinghouse for all EIRs go after these, especially the US EPA and the Cal version here. |
| 01:48:51.45 | Alice Merrill | Heidi, if you wouldn't mind responding to the question, I would appreciate it. |
| 01:48:58.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:58.22 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. |
| 01:48:58.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:58.40 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. |
| 01:48:58.40 | Heidi | So just to tack on what you said, Councilmember Leon, yes, the state clearinghouse is responsible for routing the EIR to these specific agencies. The procedural process would be once the draft EIR is completed, a notice of completion will be submitted to the state clearinghouse, and with that, all these agencies are automatically included. |
| 01:48:58.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:22.01 | Heidi | on that distribution list. The EIR will be routed for 45 days. During that 45-day period, it is open for public comments. Thank you. |
| 01:49:33.55 | Jonathan Leone | Can we, as part of our response letter, suggest that, you know, that they contact directly certain agencies, like you've mentioned the RVRA in your report, Can we suggest? those that were mentioned tonight as well as maybe constituent members of the RPRA, the individual municipalities might be contacted directly because they all especially the county, which they're going to be partly in county waters. So I don't know if the county is involved in this at all. I don't know if you've talked to them. |
| 01:50:02.59 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. No, we're not. |
| 01:50:04.99 | Jonathan Leone | I mean the county government. I know not, I mean the planning group, not the supervisor level. |
| 01:50:06.64 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:50:09.73 | Heidi | I think it's a good thing. Yes, and as part of that notice of completion form, there's actually a section where there's a box that you can mark other and that's where they are able to include those agencies and special interested groups. |
| 01:50:23.87 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Okay, thank you, Heidi. Bring it back up here. Any other questions from Council? Okay, then can I have a RECOMMENDED MOTION. |
| 01:50:35.72 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:50:36.66 | Herb Weiner | Authorize the mayor to sign the attached letter to the city of San Francisco. |
| 01:50:39.84 | Mike Kelly | city. |
| 01:50:40.07 | Unknown | you. |
| 01:50:40.14 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:50:40.18 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:50:41.00 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. So moved, authorized, resolution authorized, the mayor signed a letter. Thank you. |
| 01:50:45.78 | Herb Weiner | the City of San Francisco Environmental Review Division. |
| 01:50:46.94 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:50:47.04 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:50:47.09 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:50:47.13 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:50:47.14 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:50:49.22 | Jonathan Leone | I'll second. Can we comment on another motion? Yes, go ahead. So I think this is great. It's good to be proactive. Thank you, Heidi, for doing this. Jeremy, there you are. Sorry. So we can make sure that our concerns, the city and residents' concerns are addressed here. |
| 01:50:49.71 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.10 | Herb Weiner | Yes, go ahead. |
| 01:51:11.68 | Jonathan Leone | But also, I think we all need to start thinking about how this is going to impact. It's going to be a long process, as Heidi showed, how it's going to impact the city. And my one message I would put out there is for folks not to think this is going to lead to rezoning and redredging the entire bay to accommodate their longer-term real estate development needs or desires. So I would just put that out there from my personal opinion. |
| 01:51:41.82 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:51:42.22 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:51:43.37 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:51:43.40 | Herb Weiner | seconds. |
| 01:51:43.79 | Mike Kelly | Somebody second. |
| 01:51:45.02 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. I did. |
| 01:51:46.00 | Herb Weiner | Good, Cheryl. Okay. All in favor? |
| 01:51:47.52 | Carolyn Ford | We'll be right back. |
| 01:51:48.27 | Herb Weiner | Aye. Thank you. |
| 01:51:48.91 | Carolyn Ford | I? Well, I... Okay, go ahead. I just... There are just a couple typos. Don't say the words show now. |
| 01:51:48.96 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Well, it's true. |
| 01:51:51.22 | Linda Pfeifer | I just, there are just a couple typos. Don't say the word show now. Right. I was just going to, and then of course with the change to the mention of residents in the last paragraph, and then on page 6B4 on the second line, I think it's while LOS analysis have not been conducted, and then I think it says regularly result in extended traffic queues. I think that's Q-U-E, because you're referring to lines, so that was it. Thank you. |
| 01:52:22.74 | Herb Weiner | All right. Thank you. Thank you, Heidi. |
| 01:52:27.03 | Jonathan Leone | item. I think you're designated as our guardian of the water frimes. |
| 01:52:31.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Heidi, for an excellent job. I appreciate this. I second that. |
| 01:52:36.38 | Herb Weiner | We might have a bronze statue for you out there. Thank you. |
| 01:52:39.63 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:52:39.67 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:52:39.75 | Linda Pfeifer | This is thorough and we... Sorry, you missed that. |
| 01:52:42.38 | Herb Weiner | That's right. |
| 01:52:42.97 | Jonathan Leone | I said you were our guardian of the waterfront, so that's why they want to build a statue. |
| 01:52:43.55 | Herb Weiner | you're right. So that's it. |
| 01:52:47.06 | Linda Pfeifer | Looking out for Saasudo's interest in this, Ms. Yara, very important. Thank you. |
| 01:52:47.23 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:52:47.33 | Jonathan Leone | I'm going to go. |
| 01:52:47.41 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:52:47.46 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:52:49.99 | Herb Weiner | We are very important, thank you. Moving on to the next item, our report on the community development. |
| 01:52:57.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:52:57.11 | Jonathan Leone | community development. |
| 01:52:58.48 | Herb Weiner | our quarterly report. And that will be Jeremy. Jeremy Graves. |
| 01:52:58.50 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:53:17.90 | Jeremy Graves | Well, we're involved in a variety of projects, as you've already seen this evening, and so to expand upon that a little bit, tonight I have a progress report for the Council on activities that the Community Development Department has had since last July through last month. And... |
| 01:53:41.45 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 01:53:45.28 | Jeremy Graves | Okay, escape. To briefly review the various committees and commissions that the Community Development Department provides, staff support, the council as well as the Planning Commission, the Historic Landmarks Board, the Trees and Views Committee, Business Advisory Committee, and our housing element body. the Some planning division highlights that we have in the time period is we have our historic design guidelines, and we've given progress reports on this. We haven't given specific progress report on the historic design guidelines, but your historic landmarks board has provided a – has reviewed the administrative draft of that document. The consultant is finalizing that draft. The next step, which I anticipate will be in the next two weeks, will be publication of the public review draft of the guidelines, and that will be quickly followed by initiation of public hearings by your historic landmarks board, as well as the Planning Commission, ultimately moving up to the City Council. On the Plaza Vina Del Mar ADA improvements, a consultant contract has been signed for the preparation of the historic resources evaluation report, and we anticipate the consultant finalizing that report in the short term. The staff, the next steps will be the staff will be preparing a legal analysis of the alternatives that the council has identified for the ADA improvements and also the staff preparing cost estimates for the alternatives and then bringing that entire package back to the city council as the property owner for direction on what the next appropriate step would be, anticipating that the council would give direction to move with one of the project alternatives over to the Planning Commission. |
| 01:55:44.09 | Kat Mullins | And. |
| 01:55:51.72 | Jeremy Graves | looking at the Veterans Administration Machine Shop Project. You have had a presentation by the Veterans Administration representatives to you in the fall. Your HLB has prepared a research memo. The mayor has sent letters to several agencies requesting their assistance on this project. The staff and various council members have met with representatives from Senator Boxer's office and Representative Wolseley's office. The consultant contract has been signed for preparation of the historical resources evaluation report on the machine shop building, and the consultant is now beginning to prepare that study. Staff met with representatives of the Veterans Administration this morning as well as the mayor and vice mayor, And we anticipate that out of that meeting we learn that the Veterans Administration is considering making a presentation to the city council in the coming weeks. And then also the staff will be continuing to arrange meetings with our federal representatives and state representatives, and the staff will be monitoring the Veterans Administration's progress on complying with Section 106 requirements, which are the federal requirements for historic resources and projects which may affect historic resources. |
| 01:56:14.35 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 01:57:30.46 | Jeremy Graves | Looking over next to the inventory of the Marinship Historic Buildings, the same contract with the consultant who is working on the machine shop is also doing the inventory of the Marinship Historic Buildings. So that work started about a week and a half ago. On the inventory of the marine ship land uses and businesses, this is one of the items that's on the Council's priority calendar. We have staff has engaged a volunteer intern to work on that. That intern has done their on-the-ground work in the fall and early this year, and we will be bringing, anticipate bringing a report to you in the next Council meeting or two on that. Looking over at the plastic bag regulations, there is a regional advisory group that has been established by, that has been led by the City of San Rafael staff. Sausalito staff, we have suggested representatives may serve on that advisory group from local merchants as well as the Chamber of Commerce, and we anticipate model regulations coming out of that advisory group late this spring. I'll let you... from local merchants as well as the Chamber of Commerce, and we anticipate model regulations coming out of that advisory group late this spring. Lastly, the greenhouse gas inventory. Your public works staff will be providing an update report to you later on this evening's council agenda. Our building division highlights in the reporting period. Community development staff assisted the Southern Marine Fire Prediction District staff in preparing the update of the fire code regulations for 2010. Planning staff, or building staff, we are, and planning staff are assigned a contract for assistance in updating our building codes for the 2010 model building codes that have been adopted by the State of California. These also include green building regulations. We regularly update our counter brochures and maintain our website to make sure that we have current information on that. And then our weekly staff meetings, we go over process. We discuss almost every week how we can improve our process for our building permit procedures. Our public service highlights. We have a competent and qualified building and planning staff. We provide an issue of a variety of business licenses and permits and parking permits. and we provide general public assistance on sort of the catch-all questions that the administration counter steers down our way and try to give us good information. assistance as we can to the public, including access to our project, our address files. I have summaries for each of our boards that the community development provides staff support for. The Planning Commission had 10 meetings. You can see the number of projects that the commission addressed in our reporting period. The two down at the bottom merit a little bit of special attention. The first of these is an item, the standards for single-family dwellings that are located in, that are proposed to be constructed or added on to, or constructed in the multifamily zoning districts. This, again, is a priority calendar item. The Planning Commission initiated a public hearing on this item late last year. There was a variety of community concerns on it, and the Planning Commission established a two-member subcommittee to study this issue in depth. That subcommittee has held two meetings. We've had input from local architects on that. The subED THEIR WORK ON THAT YET. WHEN THEY DO, THEY WILL BE BRINGING THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THAT. AGAIN, IT WILL BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THEN THAT ITEM WILL MOVE OVER TO CITY COUNCIL FOR YOU TO HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THAT ITEM AND DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO, HOW AND IF YOU WANT TO AMEND YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE. |
| 02:00:32.27 | Kat Mullins | Amen. |
| 02:01:49.64 | Jeremy Graves | Then the bottom item, the interpretation for nonconforming structures. This has gotten a little e-mail traffic in recent weeks. The source of this is our zoning ordinance, and there are different provisions of our zoning ordinance regarding nonconforming structures that have been troubling to staff and appear to be in conflict with each other. So we brought this. I made an interpretation on how we should proceed on this, and I have referred my interpretation over to the Planning Commission to request their concurrence. At the Planning Commission's meeting on February 16th, they discussed it. Again, there was significant input from the community on that. And so we got direction from the Planning Commission, and we are going to be returning to the Planning Commission with two options on that. On an immediate basis, staff needs an interpretation to be able to give advice to property owners and to architects who are working with these issues now. The longer-term solution that was discussed at the Planning Commission meeting is, should we have a zoning ordinance amendment on this particular issue? And the nonconforming structures are a very complex issue with ramifications on a variety of projects dealing from the very small to the very large. |
| 02:02:38.31 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:03:21.59 | Jeremy Graves | And so staff, in two weeks, will be bringing two requests to the Planning Commission. One is, Planning Commission, please take action on interpretation. Two, here are a variety of issues on the non-conforming structure issue. Planning Commission, what would you like to do with this? Would you like to make a recommendation to the City Council? And I'm sure there will be a wealth of opinions offered on how the Planning Commission should proceed on that. Our Historic Landmarks Board held 16 meetings in the reporting period. One of their primary, the two primary tasks that they were working on, let me take that back, three primary tasks for the machine shop building where they did their research, their review, their continuing view of the historic design guidelines, and then also one of your priority calendar items is they have prepared an application for Sausalito to be certified by the State Historic Preservation Office as a certified local government for purposes of historic preservation. We've talked about this in the past. Having our certification, Sausalito being, becoming a certified local government would then become eligible for additional grant monies for historic preservation purposes. We will be bringing this grant application to you in the coming weeks for a resolution of approval allowing staff to submit that application to the Shepard of the State Historic Preservation Officer. And then we had a variety of projects that were reviewed by the HLB on the commercial tenant improvements. One involved the improvements to the former Purity Market building, some exterior improvements, And then the second project was the Casa Madrona, a remodel of awning at the entrance as well as dry rot repair on large areas of the exterior of the different facilities in that area. And if I can give a plug for getting vacancy filled, we do have one HLB vacancy. |
| 02:05:26.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:05:41.22 | Jeremy Graves | Trees and Views Committee, nine meetings. The Community Development Department took over staffing of this in July and took us a little meeting or two to get our sea legs on this. We have done research to ensure that we are all working from the same set of trees and views regulations. We've established standing meeting dates the first Thursday of the month. We've updated the application forms and expanded the availability of those application forms on the website and also added information on the websites on Sudden Oak Death Syndrome and looking to educate the community as well as ourselves and the committee on the implications of sudden oak death syndrome. We've reviewed our meeting procedures. We have an ongoing dialogue on the regulations on their applicability, on their varying applicability on trees on public land and private land. And we've established a site visit policy. And then in terms of actual actions that the Trees and Views Committee has taken, they've considered nine permits for alteration and or removal of trees and two view claims. Our Business Advisory Committee has held ten meetings in this period. We've proceeded with a contract with Robert Eiler of the Marin Economic Forum for the Economic Development Study. We'll be bringing forward a SAS report on that study as well as the short-term business needs, or excuse me, was a short-term business needs study which has since evolved into a commercial property database which is compiled by a subcommittee of the Business Advisory Committee. One point I wanted to mention on the contract with Dr. Eiler, that contract was partially or funded in, half of it was funded by the Chamber of Commerce. Other actions that the Business Advisory Committee has been working on is the preparation of how to start a business in Sausalito brochure. Butler Shines has the advertising firm has volunteered to take the text that was put together by the committee and to format it into an attractive brochure that they're in the process of preparing. The committee has also received quarterly reports from Jonathan Goldman on capital improvements and had discussions on the America's Cup. The Housing Element Committee held 15 meetings, held a very well-attended community workshop last month. It's conducted two surveys on accessory dwelling units and the process of reviewing reports on vacant and underdeveloped land. You've had several updates on this, so I'll go through this quickly. As I think we're aware in the discussion, staff and the committee is hoping that two vacant city resident positions can be filled soon. |
| 02:08:36.55 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 02:08:41.27 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 02:08:44.17 | Jeremy Graves | Code enforcement, we have a summary here of the actions that have been taken by our code enforcement officer. Upcoming projects, planning division, looking at the housing element, we have two more workshops. One tentatively scheduled for June, and the next one will be scheduled for January of next year. The schedule that we have presented to the council in February showed our housing element task force wrapping up its work and forwarding a draft document to the council in spring 2012. With regard to the nomination of the machine shop to the local register, that would be an action that would be taken by the city council. That is on hold pending completion of our consultants report, giving the background on the historical integrity of that building and its value. The certified local government will be bringing that application, as I mentioned, forward to you for action. Staff is also working with the city attorney's office on the omnivis zoning ordinance update, the catch-all to try to a lot of cleanup items before the municipal code is republished. Sustainable community strategy. This is one of the products of SB 375. Thank you. And we'll be giving you a SAS report on that at an upcoming meeting. I understand that there have been presentations on that to the mayors and council members' committees at the county level. Code enforcement, we'll be updating our software on that. We also need to adopt a new water efficiency landscape ordinance. and then three prominent development applications which are under review. One is a follow-up on that Purity Market project, which is on the second story of that, a new restaurant, bar, and bakery, a new two-story office building at the corner of Locust and Humboldt, and then Bridgeway Marines project that they're proposing, that they submitted their application about two weeks ago, and they're proposing a new restaurant, outdoor dining area, parking lot improvements to the Locust and Humboldt right-of-ways. Heidi, as part of her protection of Sausalito's waterfront is reviewing that project. Oh, excuse me, Guardian. Hi, thank you. We found that that application will be deemed incomplete, and so she's preparing a thorough list of the updates that are needed that in order to get it to a complete where, to a place where public hearings can begin on it. With the building division, we are just about to run out with our updated tracking software. We'll need to be updating our building permit fees. And we have three vacant positions on our building board of appeals. We do need to get those filled. And then ongoing public service priorities is to make sure that our applications and brochures are complete, and then we will be publishing that How to Start a Business in Sausalito brochure. A long-winded report. We're very busy in the Community Development Department, and we look forward to new challenges. |
| 02:12:21.69 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Jeremy. Bring it up here. That's Mayor Kelly. |
| 02:12:25.74 | Mike Kelly | Jeremy, are you aware that Marin County passed an ordinance on plastic bags and then promptly got sued? So I just would hope that we would put that in the proper priority because I don't want to get sued. |
| 02:12:42.74 | Jeremy Graves | Yes, we realize that the city of Santa Monica has been sued. The same guy and he won. |
| 02:12:49.22 | Mike Kelly | The same guy and he won, so he's good. |
| 02:12:50.97 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. So he's good. But we're bringing it forward. The model ordinance will be, hopefully, will be, well, it probably will. I don't know what it's going to look like. But we won't be bringing that forward. Good, good. Because there just needs to be work done. |
| 02:13:01.50 | Mike Kelly | That's why we're... for the Good, good. Because there just needs to be work done now. |
| 02:13:07.61 | Herb Weiner | We'll figure a way to dispose it. |
| 02:13:10.46 | Mike Kelly | Okay. |
| 02:13:12.10 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Mr. Mayor, have you a question? Thank you. Jeremy, the meeting you had with the VA, I just would like to know what the tone of that meeting was and whether or not they have agreed to comply with the rules and regulations surrounding that project. |
| 02:13:14.51 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:13:15.14 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:13:15.25 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:13:36.11 | Jeremy Graves | There were several of us in the room, and I'm not sure if Adam would like to provide. Yeah, go ahead, Adam. |
| 02:13:36.20 | Carolyn Ford | We're here. |
| 02:13:41.17 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, go ahead. They will call it. |
| 02:13:44.38 | Adam Politzer | Yes, thank you, Council Member Ford, for the question. As the Council has been updated on a regular basis from our Guardian of the Bay, Associate planner. Heidi Burns, one of the things that we had shared with you is that there was limited contact with the VA. And obviously we feel that our work working with our other elected officials both at the state and federal level has helped motivate the VA to come and meet with staff and the mayor and the vice mayor this morning. recognize that they should have and will do more public outreach and work with our community and would like to meet with our Historic Landmarks Board and they'd also like to have a community workshop to share with the community their proposed projects their challenges that they face and which the city would face as we look at restoring or rehabilitating or replacing that facility depending on what options go forward they assure us that they will participate with our community and i and the mayor and vice mayor and staff encouraged them and they agreed to come to a meeting. Right now it's tentatively scheduled for the April 5th meeting. We're waiting for them. to confirm that, but that was the meeting that they felt that they would come and attend. and then lay out. the process and the schedule of how they like to move forward. I think that they clearly heard the comments that the council made back in, I believe, November when they came and presented their conceptual proposal They obviously had read the newspaper. They talked about that quite a bit. and some of the comments that were there and they wanted to clarify that, we encouraged them to come and clarify that at the council meeting on April 5th. And I think that they have heard from our community loud and clear that they need to work with us. I'm hopeful that they will live up to that commitment. I would also like to mention that Charles McLashen and Leslie Alden were also in attendance at the meeting. We had asked them to participate and their participation at the meeting was also very helpful. I would let the mayor and vice mayor comment more and maybe we can do that under council comments at the end of the meeting unless they would like to make their comments now. Thank you. |
| 02:16:47.49 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor? Yes. |
| 02:16:50.02 | Jonathan Leone | I |
| 02:16:52.13 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, Jeremy, regarding the Robert Eiler short-term economic study, you'll recall I had raised... |
| 02:16:52.84 | Jonathan Leone | Mr. Mayor. |
| 02:17:03.25 | Linda Pfeifer | a red flag when I saw the minutes of, I think it was November 6th, and the marinship absent from the state of the state. current zoning. and I had requested clarification on that. And I recall that Initially when we talked, you said that that statement accurately reflected what the chamber wanted. but then you followed up with Robert. |
| 02:17:32.61 | Jonathan Leone | followed up with Robert. |
| 02:17:34.56 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, so the business advisory, I'm sorry, the business advisory committee had wanted but then you followed up and can I get just a clarification that the short term economic study is going to respect the current zoning in the Marin ship and will not go outside that. |
| 02:17:52.88 | Jeremy Graves | Well, we thought we would bring, and Dr. Isler and I have had several conversations on this, and I've been taking a lead on, you know, emphasizing the concerns of the majority of the council. Our concerns, right, because when we voted, of course, we… … was given by the council at your discussion, I believe it was last March, in giving staff direction to move forward with these two studies. And that's… Yeah, but when… |
| 02:18:03.14 | Kat Mullins | you know. |
| 02:18:09.47 | Linda Pfeifer | Our concern is right, because when we voted, of course, |
| 02:18:15.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:18:22.09 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, but when we voted for that, we voted for it with the understanding that the current zoning in the Marin ship would be respected. |
| 02:18:24.57 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:18:30.33 | Jeremy Graves | And so staff is working to schedule Dr. Eiler to be at your next meeting so that we can have a, you can directly. Okay, thank you, Jerry. He is properly addressing your concerns. |
| 02:18:42.63 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you, Jerry. Council Member Leon. Thank you. |
| 02:18:48.65 | Jonathan Leone | Well, I wasn't going to speak to that, but I'm following up on Linda's question. So there's the two studies. I'll get to it. Hold on. I'll get to that in a second. This is the The economic, whatever it was labeled. But that, yeah, she's, and we talked about this at another meeting. This is correct, that he wasn't supposed to go in there with rezoning, and at least what he would do if it was Greenfield kind of thing. So he needs to come back on that. But when did this short-term business needs morph into basically a commercial property database? So, again, when the city pays half the bill, and I'm speaking as if you're not there, this committee can't go and play with that money. |
| 02:18:58.66 | Unknown | No, no. Thank you. |
| 02:19:00.33 | Unknown | better. |
| 02:19:30.54 | Jonathan Leone | that needs to come back here and get its priorities changed so it can turn it into a I know the guy. I was there at the last, you know, six months ago when I sat on this committee, but that's not what the intent with this whole thing was. not spending our money wisely. And so is that what they're actually planning to do with our Half of that money versus the chambers half. is just have a database of vacant properties. |
| 02:20:00.41 | Jeremy Graves | I also originally allocated $40,000 to Thank you. |
| 02:20:08.52 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:20:09.08 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:20:09.15 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:20:09.25 | Jeremy Graves | The council originally, both studies were supposed to take $40,000, and the council allocated half of that $20,000 to it. The study by Dr. Eiler, |
| 02:20:09.96 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:20:21.82 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. cost $23,000. The city has put up half of that, 11-5. And so then the 8-5 remainder was to be allocated to the short-term business needs study. The consultant, we anticipated to move forward on that study at the last minute, said, I cannot do it. And so the Business Advisory Committee, I sought direction from the Business Advisory Committee. What do you want to do? What shall we do? I cannot do it. And so the business advisory committee, I sought direction from the business advisory committee. What do you want to do? What shall we do now? Should we look at the scope again or what? And several of the business advisory committee members said, you know what? |
| 02:20:31.24 | Kat Mullins | be elephant. |
| 02:20:34.51 | Mike Kelly | Right. |
| 02:20:57.00 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 02:20:57.14 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:20:59.50 | Jeremy Graves | we can do this study. Why don't we do this study? And so that... No, it's not about |
| 02:21:00.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:00.99 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, Jesus. |
| 02:21:02.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:06.24 | Jonathan Leone | It's not about good people. These are people with an agenda, okay? And so, and I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm not criticizing Jeremy. You're just the bearer of messenger here, the bearer of bad news. But this is the same rigmarole that committee always gets caught in this loop of how do I benefit myself the fastest? And rather than the purpose of this short-term stuff was to... Mr. Mayor, point of order. |
| 02:21:14.50 | Jeremy Graves | Just the... |
| 02:21:14.98 | Kat Mullins | there. |
| 02:21:25.71 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor, point of order. I'm speaking. This is for questions. |
| 02:21:28.71 | Jonathan Leone | This is Thank you. Do you want to... Do you need a gavel to run the meeting? Hold on. I'm learning how to. So again, as far as this... So they're not spending any of this money then? Correct. |
| 02:21:37.91 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:21:46.30 | Jonathan Leone | But still, I mean, this is what |
| 02:21:48.64 | Herb Weiner | It's a mutual, it's still a mutual thing. |
| 02:21:52.96 | Jonathan Leone | It's purposeless. There already are commercial vacancy databases that you can go to on the Internet of vacant properties that you don't, I mean, okay. So it's not your fault. I know you were there just trying to stay out of the harm's way as the arrows fly, as everybody was saying in that meeting. But again, this is where this committee just goes off over here. All right, so that answered that question. Okay, and Mr. Eiler's coming in and gonna speak to the other issue. The inventory of the Marinship, is that being done by, I forget his name. Albert Corners. |
| 02:22:23.47 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. Well, there's two inventories, the historic buildings and the land. The land use. Land use and business is the second. |
| 02:22:25.70 | Jonathan Leone | This is different. |
| 02:22:29.89 | Jonathan Leone | land use. Right, the land use and business. That's our, we have an intern. He's a new intern. Correct. |
| 02:22:34.34 | Jeremy Graves | is Thank you. |
| 02:22:40.01 | Jonathan Leone | Now the green building code stuff, because you covered a lot of ground there, is that we working with, what's the joint task force that was formed? First. First. So that's going to be incorporated in what's, okay, cool. Not just the state regulations, but what these? |
| 02:22:45.53 | Jeremy Graves | that was... |
| 02:22:46.30 | Rufus Jeffers | Thank you. |
| 02:22:46.32 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:22:46.34 | Rufus Jeffers | Thank you. |
| 02:22:46.46 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:22:46.64 | Rufus Jeffers | you |
| 02:22:46.83 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:22:50.07 | Jeremy Graves | All right. Thank you. I didn't put first up there. Okay. Just checking. Okay. Just checking. |
| 02:22:54.20 | Jonathan Leone | Okay, just checking. |
| 02:22:56.63 | John | Thank you. I didn't want to. |
| 02:22:58.10 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:22:58.12 | John | Thank you. |
| 02:22:58.25 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. And the omnibus zoning ordinance update, that is catching the smaller things, not policy issues. Right. Okay. Just so the public is aware of that. It's not a zoning ordinance. |
| 02:22:58.30 | John | Okay. |
| 02:23:09.08 | Jeremy Graves | Well, we hope that, you know, Councilmember Leon, you recognize it at times, seemingly small things. Right. Seemingly. |
| 02:23:15.87 | Jonathan Leone | Right. But the goal is to essentially correct things rather than revisit a lot of the policies except where they are apparently in conflict rather than create a... |
| 02:23:22.42 | Jeremy Graves | Visitable. |
| 02:23:27.31 | Jeremy Graves | I would imagine that at some point the omnibus ordinance would go to the legislative committee if there are some policy issues that need to discuss there. |
| 02:23:37.08 | Jonathan Leone | Right. And the, just quickly, is the number of projects that went before the Planning Commission, is that for what period of time? That's July. |
| 02:23:47.86 | Jeremy Graves | that Thank you. |
| 02:23:49.43 | Jonathan Leone | to February. Okay. So... God, I wish I was on this planning commission versus past one. You had 15 projects a night. But having 16 in six months is a little different. But my concern that flows out of that is, and this is what I think we asked at one point maybe at another meeting you and Charlie can come back is sort or property tax base. You know, when you have a lot of permits, you're going to offset maybe some devaluation on the other side by having a lot of projects, kind of remodels and what have you. So maybe you can- |
| 02:24:23.60 | Jeremy Graves | The big picture is our traffic in front of the Planning Commission has declined. |
| 02:24:28.13 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, yeah, for sure. |
| 02:24:28.15 | Jeremy Graves | Oh, yeah, for sure. But our traffic in front of the, our building permit traffic has not declined, is on the upswing right now. And I did not include it in my. in my PowerPoint presentation, but there is documentation in the written staff report that compares 2008, 2009, 2010 building permit, building inspections by itself. |
| 02:24:51.80 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 02:24:56.07 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, no, I saw that, but it'd be... |
| 02:24:57.93 | Jeremy Graves | holding firm. |
| 02:25:00.73 | Jonathan Leone | Yes, and I appreciate that, and I think what would be helpful is to kind of see you don't have an indication of value of those to sort of see how much we're sort of increasing. And you and I can – that would be of use to just kind of know what we're – what the |
| 02:25:14.36 | Jeremy Graves | Well, Charlie and I worked with that on Charlie's mid-year budget review. That was an input. No, I remember. |
| 02:25:19.29 | Jonathan Leone | Mm-hmm. No, I remember. Direct input at that point. Right. So it'd be good to, you know, we get more as we do these subtotals, it'd be good to say, OK, that way we get some feeling of what the future is going to bring on the revenue from |
| 02:25:30.78 | Jeremy Graves | to bring on the revenue front. Our building permit totals were higher than our projection. Our planning revenues were lower than our projections at the mid-year budget. |
| 02:25:38.53 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, not your budget per se, but I'm more concerned about the property tax base and what is happening on the additions to the valuation of property tax base. Yeah, so it would be good to tie the 250 permits to X value kind of thing on the building side, and that would be good. Thank you. just to have some visibility. |
| 02:25:59.84 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Council Member Ford. Thank you. |
| 02:26:03.00 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:26:03.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:26:03.15 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:26:03.91 | Herb Weiner | Done? Done? Leave this open now. Public comment? Anybody? Seeing none, bring it back up. At this time here, Mr. Sweeney. |
| 02:26:23.96 | Herb Weiner | Yes, sir. |
| 02:26:25.88 | John Sweeney | I have comments. Name. |
| 02:26:27.11 | Herb Weiner | Name, rank, and serial number. |
| 02:26:27.69 | John Sweeney | the- John Sweeney, the citizen. Thank you. Regarding the housing element meeting of February 26th, there was an evaluation form and as a citizen I would like to fill in my thoughts about those three points here. Are there other topics you are interested in that were not covered in today's workshop? |
| 02:27:05.28 | John Sweeney | My answer to that is a discussed possibility of annexing Marin City this large account of affordable housing. The situation there is that... They call themselves Sausalito. because we share the schools, we share the zip code, We share the Thank you. it. the housing up there because the real estate people are all referred to it as Sausalito rather than Marin City. |
| 02:27:42.27 | Kat Mullins | city. |
| 02:27:43.79 | John Sweeney | Also, I feel under that question that we should review the impracticality of the tralium. Sausalito. to increase the possibility of more housing. This is similar to the smart train situation where the state mandates that you build a certain number of houses because of improved transit. The second question here is... What suggestions do you have to help us make future workshops more useful? My comments about that was that Thank you. have future workshops run by us. The housing elements, dad, we are an individual. community. We do not need to pay for consultants who look at us as another client, such as Fresno, Alameda. or Sacramento. God. The last question is other comments. My final comments here. How about our housing element staff working with State Assemblyman Huffman and State Senator Marlino to take into account the individuality of Sausalito instead of mandating one size fits all? |
| 02:29:12.22 | Kat Mullins | Well, Thank you. |
| 02:29:15.78 | John Sweeney | Nevada has similar problems. Our Macho City Council should work with Nevada respecting this problem. Thank you. |
| 02:29:25.82 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, John. At this time here, I'd like to take up to a five-minute break. Okay, up to five minutes, so I might call you back earlier. |
| 02:29:56.72 | Herb Weiner | Can we... |
| 02:29:58.74 | Jonathan Leone | going. |
| 02:30:03.03 | Jonathan Leone | I want to say something. |
| 02:30:04.02 | Mike Kelly | I want to say something. |
| 02:30:12.31 | Jonathan Leone | by our separate nations. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:30:30.43 | Jonathan Leone | Whoa! |
| 02:30:31.70 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. you |
| 02:30:34.16 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:30:39.80 | Jonathan Leone | . Thank you. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:30:46.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:30:54.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:05.32 | Herb Weiner | Okay, can we all come back and... Linda, please. |
| 02:31:22.10 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:31:25.41 | Herb Weiner | Okay. We all ready here. Okay. Now where do we go? |
| 02:31:37.72 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:31:37.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:37.87 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:31:42.86 | Herb Weiner | At this time here... We'll talk about the disaster preparedness update. And at this time here, before you say anything, Billy, Everybody here would like to know that who the young woman in the uniform is, and that's our new police chief, Jennifer DeHatta. |
| 02:32:03.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:03.70 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:32:03.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:08.61 | Herb Weiner | And just as a reminder, on March 17th, there will be a meet and greet at the Bay Martell for her. |
| 02:32:16.90 | Mike Kelly | and it's where it is. |
| 02:32:18.10 | Herb Weiner | Hands wearing in. yourself You're welcome. Billy, you're on. |
| 02:32:25.81 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council people, and Mr. City Manager. We are going to be discussing the fourth quarter update for the 2010 progress over disaster preparedness emergency operations program. And if I could get this thing to work, I'd be a very happy man. There we go. I had to point it out myself. |
| 02:32:45.08 | Unknown | There we go. |
| 02:32:46.58 | Margot Gerges | Thank you. |
| 02:32:47.56 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | We're going to cover the areas of training, plans, equipment and supplies, community outreach and meetings, and our future plans regarding the program. As always, this is going to be just a short summary of what is occurring. Please refer to the staff report for the exact details. Regarding training, we're continuing with our online training for financial matters and also for getting the best training available. by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. For the last four months, the training class was animals and disasters community planning. because everybody knows in the city of Sausalito, our animals are very cared for. It's a point of community concern, and in times of emergencies, we have to be prepared to take care of them as well as the rest of our residents. So as a city, we cover this area of training. In addition, we had our first emergency exercise at our new Emergency Operations Center at the Fire Department. This occurred on November 22nd. The exercise was titled Injured Eagle. It was regarding an act of terrorism occurring in the city of Sausalito. The exercise was extremely successful, even though the slide doesn't say that because the picture keeps on growing. Before I know it, I think it's going to take up the entire slide, so I'm going to move pretty fast. But we identified a lot of strengths, a couple areas that we could improve. But Compared to our previous emergency operations center, this one is far superior and I believe that the areas of communication and the ability to get things done are greatly enhanced by this room. Plains. The area plans, we created a 39-page booklet regarding each position in the emergency operations center. This outlines everybody's responsibilities and their duties. So anybody could walk into that emergency operations center, take a position, look at that plan, and figure out what they need to get done. Equipment, we're always looking for ways of testing and getting new equipment. We are continually testing the City of Sausalito's emergency broadcast system. We did it in every single month. A couple quick updates regarding the emergency broadcast system is we are getting, an update on the antenna. Radio Sausalito is covering all the costs. That's going to increase our coverage for the emergency broadcast system. So no matter where you are in the city of Sausalito, If this system gets activated, we will be able to reach you. In addition, Verizon, we entered a deal with them and they provided us 25 free cell phones that could be utilized in times of emergencies. These cell phones are kept in the emergency operations center. They're pre-programmed with all emergency numbers that are needed. and could be provided to all emergency workers to be brought out of the field or used in the Emergency Operations Center itself during times of disaster. It increases our ability to communicate. In areas of community outreach and meetings, this October 16th, we had a disaster preparedness awareness day for the city of Sausalito. It was very successful. |
| 02:35:39.48 | Mike Kelly | This is... |
| 02:35:46.49 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | In about four hours, we had 200 members of the public come and view demonstrations, talk to emergency professionals, talk to agencies that could give them proper assistance or supplies. At this event, we had 22 different agencies from the public as well as the private sector represented The biggest draws, of course, were the helicopters. They came out of the woodworks. They see those things land. But everybody was very happy with it. We received a lot of good, positive attention. And even though 200 people showed up, we had a lot more people impacted by the advertisement we did, as well as people hurried by word of mouth, because I received numerous other phone calls and emails afterwards thanking the city for putting on this event. Other areas, the Disaster Preparedness Committee is very active and we're continually meeting every month. We met three times last quarter. We took December off for the holidays. The website, we are continuing to update our website. as much as possible, providing information to the public as well as training photographs and any other means of important information and education. We want this to be a very valuable and very friendly a website for the public to use in order to keep themselves updated and keep themselves informed. I myself personally met with the citizens of Crescenta Drive and Crescenta Lane regarding the area of disaster preparedness. I talked to them about the importance of setting up community groups and providing them information regarding what they could do to better prepare themselves and what the city is doing to better prepare the entire community as well as preparing for any disasters or emergencies. One of the highlights of being the emergency services manager for the city is we have quarterly meetings with all the other emergency service managers from the county because we have the newest and I believe the best emergency operations center of any of the municipalities, we hosted the quarterly meeting this last, time, everybody was very impressed with what we have developed and what we have in there. A lot of people looked at what we had and said, you know, I wish we had this, and those are from agencies that are actually quite a few more thousands of people with us community-wise. So everybody who had anything to do with those public safety buildings should be very proud of themselves. Also, myself, the Department of Public Works Director, and Dorothy Gibson have been meeting regarding preparing proper paths and stairwells and emergency routes in times of disasters in which we could do foot evacuations. This is still an in-progress plan, but the ball is rolling. and we have identified many new pathways that even myself who've been here for 15 years did not know about until Dorothy kind of hit me back in the head and said, you know what, this is right here. |
| 02:38:40.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:38:43.13 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | Our future plans, we're always looking ahead, figuring out ways we can do things better and keep everybody prepared. We're continuing with the community outreach through public information, press releases, Nixle messages, and community educational flyers. We're continuing to do the monthly tests of the emergency broadcast system to ensure everything is functioning properly. We actually use this when we have a missing 90-year-old lady And this went out. Everybody heard it and provided people with information to look for her. Thankfully everything was done correctly and she was found safe and secure and sound the next day. We're continuing our training for city personnel. I've already scheduled training classes for the emergency operations press information officer, as well as preparing a lot more online training opportunities. We're continuing our efforts in designing and funding and equipping of not only our primary emergency operations center, but our secondary downstairs. And I've already started conversing with the people at Marin County, Office of Emergency Services, as well as tapping my own mind Thinking of the next annual training exercise for the city personnel for our Emergency Operations Center. We're making it once again unique for the city of Sausalito, so it addresses our needs, but as well as takes in consideration what may be affecting us from outside agencies and outside jurisdictions. And our target date for this will be November of this year. |
| 02:40:05.11 | Margot Gerges | And our |
| 02:40:05.45 | Kat Mullins | for the first time. |
| 02:40:09.68 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | That is the end of my presentation, and I'll be happy to answer any questions that the council may have. |
| 02:40:18.71 | Jonathan Leone | Any questions? Bill, this is your report, not the committee's report. Is that fair to say? |
| 02:40:28.52 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | Correct, this is for the entire city of Sausalito. |
| 02:40:31.27 | Jonathan Leone | Right, not the Disaster Preparedness Committee's efforts? |
| 02:40:35.01 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | No, they're the minutes for what the Disaster Preparedness Committee are planning and coming up with and developing their ideas and their programs. They're listed every single month on this city's Disaster Preparedness website. |
| 02:40:35.20 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 02:40:42.69 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:40:49.22 | Jonathan Leone | Right. And maybe a question's done for Herb. So the neighborhood outreach and the taking it to that level, is that part of what they're planning on doing as their next steps too? |
| 02:40:51.74 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | THE END OF |
| 02:41:02.67 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | Yes, we are in the process of planning community meetings throughout the neighborhoods. Our next Disaster Preparedness Committee meeting is on March 16th. On the agenda for that already is determining what neighborhoods we're going to be visiting, what members of the city will be attending those, and what areas we're going to specifically target. Once again, the Disaster Preparedness Committee is looking to have a robust community outreach program. And this year, in addition to our one big event, we are gonna do the event in which we hit approximately seven or eight different areas in the city. |
| 02:41:35.76 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor? |
| 02:41:37.11 | Herb Weiner | Councilmember Ford. |
| 02:41:38.75 | Carolyn Ford | Sergeant Frass, are you planning to, when you have these meetings, to tell the residents about the stairways that are nearby that they can use, point those out perhaps? |
| 02:41:49.89 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | We will inform them of all the manners in which they possibly could evacuate and let them know to be concerned of their areas and know their area. As in any kind of evacuation plan, we cannot tell individuals you have to go down these stairs, always utilize these stairs in times of emergency, because those stairwells could actually lead to the emergency or the disaster area. But we will be making people aware of the community, they're aware of their neighborhoods and their avenues of escape. |
| 02:42:10.07 | Margot Gerges | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:42:16.70 | Carolyn Ford | Great. Thank you. |
| 02:42:18.22 | Herb Weiner | And we also plan to... have the new police chief. go with us on that And, uh, I also will be looking to recruit people to help clean the stairs. Thank you. |
| 02:42:31.52 | Jonathan Leone | My next step. |
| 02:42:31.91 | Herb Weiner | my next step |
| 02:42:36.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:42:36.72 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:42:36.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:42:36.95 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:42:37.81 | Herb Weiner | Anyway, any other comments up here? Any comments from the public at this time? Margul? You have to come up please. |
| 02:42:38.81 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:42:38.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:42:38.89 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:42:39.03 | Unknown | . |
| 02:42:39.67 | Jonathan Leone | in. |
| 02:42:39.72 | Unknown | you |
| 02:42:39.89 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:42:47.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:42:52.41 | Herb Weiner | I know, Margo. You're always getting in the middle, aren't you? |
| 02:42:58.35 | Jonathan Leone | you Thank you. |
| 02:43:01.51 | Margot Gerges | Thank you. |
| 02:43:01.56 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:43:01.62 | Margot Gerges | Thank you. |
| 02:43:02.00 | Herb Weiner | Amen. |
| 02:43:02.40 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:43:02.98 | Margot Gerges | you |
| 02:43:05.49 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, but have her sit. |
| 02:43:06.55 | Margot Gerges | Margot Gerges, Woodward Avenue. I want to ask you, where do we evacuate to? |
| 02:43:12.69 | Herb Weiner | You head for the hills. |
| 02:43:14.92 | Margot Gerges | Amen. I mean, we're going downhill, right? |
| 02:43:16.31 | Jonathan Leone | Going downhill. |
| 02:43:17.15 | Herb Weiner | Right? |
| 02:43:17.72 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 02:43:18.28 | Margot Gerges | Thank you. |
| 02:43:20.15 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:43:22.94 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Mike. He's the smartest one in the room. He can answer that one. |
| 02:43:23.90 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:43:23.98 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:43:24.03 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:43:24.08 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:43:24.10 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:43:24.14 | Jonathan Leone | Hardest form. |
| 02:43:24.56 | Jonathan Leone | in the room, he can answer. |
| 02:43:25.62 | Jonathan Leone | All right. |
| 02:43:25.67 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:43:25.69 | Jonathan Leone | All right. |
| 02:43:25.98 | Jonathan Leone | We'll be right back. |
| 02:43:26.21 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | Thank you. I'm far from that. However, the city of Sausalito has several areas designated as evacuation gathering centers. In most situations, we will evacuate downhill because it's the easiest and the most proficient way. However, there are times we may evacuate east, west, south, and that or not. So we do not make areas of evacuation points public because in times of emergencies, we don't want people showing up to the wrong emergency point, the wrong evacuation zone. |
| 02:43:54.95 | Kat Mullins | Right. |
| 02:43:56.86 | Bill (Emergency Services Manager) | During times when we're evacuating, we will notify the public by means of electronic messages, bullhorns, boots on the street knocking on doors letting people know where to go, as well as emergency service workers directing the flow of an evacuation. but there are designated locations where we can |
| 02:44:16.97 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, I think, Margo, that's where it gets to the neighborhood. Somebody in your neighborhood will be like these captains that will say, hey, in this set of emergencies, you know, this emergency earthquake versus a wildfire up in the hills, you don't want to be going up, you know, go this. So that's the... |
| 02:44:34.40 | Herb Weiner | But at the same time, what we're also attempting to do is to have the ability that you will be able to call a captain in your area and be given some direction besides. That's our desire. Yes. |
| 02:44:35.69 | Jonathan Leone | THE END OF THE END OF THE Yeah. Yeah. |
| 02:44:39.20 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 02:44:49.17 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 02:44:49.91 | Jonathan Leone | you I can't do that anymore. |
| 02:44:51.26 | Herb Weiner | You can call me. Okay, thank you. Alec, you have a question? Thank you. |
| 02:44:59.11 | Alice Merrill | was contained. |
| 02:45:00.59 | Herb Weiner | Okay. All right. Without bringing it back up, any other comments? |
| 02:45:05.35 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:45:07.09 | Herb Weiner | No, any other public comment? Okay. Bill, thank you very, very much. Thank you. Good job, Bill. |
| 02:45:12.76 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Good job, Bill. |
| 02:45:17.23 | Herb Weiner | OK, next on our agenda is the Police Department Statistical Report for the year 2010. |
| 02:45:28.34 | John | Good evening, Mayor, Member of City Council. I'd like to begin by first saying thank you. Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you and the City Manager for selecting me to be the interim police chief in the last four months. It's a pleasure and a privilege and an honor to serve here in Sausalito. And I especially enjoy working with the exceptional men and women of the Sa of the police department. It's just a great place to work. And I've enjoyed the last four months, but I'll roll my sleeves up and get back to work as a captain now. We have our new chief on board. |
| 02:45:58.27 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:45:58.29 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 02:45:58.34 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:45:58.49 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:45:58.58 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:45:59.99 | Herb Weiner | Well, thank you for doing a good interim job, really. Yes. Appreciate it. |
| 02:46:00.01 | John | Well, thank you. Thank you for doing both. While I do have some PowerPoint slides and some statistical information, I'd rather actually cover some highlights of our year and the last several months. The statistical information doesn't change a great deal from quarter to quarter, and we're already a quarter behind. We hope to be back on your calendar in the second meeting in April, which would be the beginning quarter of 2011 report, and then those numbers would be a little bit more relevant. But if you have questions later, I'd be happy to answer them about any of the statistical information in your report. But there's a few things that I think it's really important to cover for us, for our accomplishments, and the things that we did in 2010, especially in the last part of the year. Primarily, we, |
| 02:46:37.90 | Jonathan Leone | for. |
| 02:46:51.85 | John | moved out of the old police department and into the new police department And it was really our most significant accomplishment, considering the amount of planning and logistics in getting all the police department personnel moved We were only really out of service for less than 48 hours before we were able to come back up. and receive people at the front counter and take care of business. Even though our officers were still providing service the whole time, we really only had a short shutdown period. And there were so many people involved in the city that helped us, including public works and information technology to get us moved and up and running. Our people also played a key role in the implementation of the new APARC parking equipment in the municipal parking lots. We've been involved in that for almost the entire year of 2010. We really got up to speed when we went live in July, and we haven't looked back since, and so there's been a significant amount of work done on that. Thank you. We continue to handle an average of 1,000 calls for service each and every month. That stays pretty constant for us. We're very, very proud of our quality of life leasing services. We have an extremely low citizen complaint rate. In 2010, we only had two, and those were in the beginning half of the year. We did not have any in the second half of 2010. |
| 02:48:06.25 | Unknown | you |
| 02:48:06.54 | John | I know our people work really hard to provide exceptional service to the community, and I think that's one measure of that, is by a low citizen complaint rate. Excuse me, John. |
| 02:48:18.39 | Unknown | Is there a PowerPoint presentation that is loaded here? |
| 02:48:22.39 | John | for, I could send it, but it's just the slides. I wouldn't waste more time looking for it. |
| 02:48:25.49 | Jonathan Leone | That's what's lying. |
| 02:48:29.67 | John | You don't really want it. No, it's fine. |
| 02:48:31.61 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:48:34.26 | John | In Sausalito, every officer is assigned and chooses or chooses a community policing project designed to enhance the quality of life in our community and also assist us in maintaining the low fear of crime in Sausalito. uh, I consider that actually rather unique, considering where I've worked before, and enjoy that aspect of our job here. In addition, in the late 2010, we did received the grant from the Office of Traffic Safety. It became effective in October of 2010. There was some minimal deployment efforts for special enforcement, but the beginning quarter of the grant was meant to acquire equipment like our new radar guns and such like that. When you hear from us in April, we'll be giving you a first quarter report on the statistics for enforcement period for the months of January, February, and March, I did get a first quarter report or a month of February report. And, you know, there's things like, you know, 70 bicycle citations just in February alone and almost triple the amount of pedestrian enforcement stops and that type of thing. So we'll be giving you much more detail about that at that time. |
| 02:49:41.39 | John Sweeney | Thank you. |
| 02:49:42.93 | John | Thank you. In terms of community outreach, of course, you've heard many of the things that Sergeant Frost does for us. We're very fortunate to have them, and it's a great service. This year, we also added Nixle to our complement of community outreach tools and use it to warn the community about weather events or any other thing coming up. And, of course, we snuck in about Chief DeHada's story, and we put that in there, too. So if the Nixle police come looking at us, we probably would escape. We could certainly share our excitement about having her on board. So we look at that as a community outreach tool for lots of things. |
| 02:50:06.76 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:50:07.50 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 02:50:10.23 | Unknown | We can certainly share our |
| 02:50:18.00 | John | This year we trained our volunteers to assist us in adding extra office hours. And so we have volunteers that work on Saturdays when the office is otherwise closed, and then on days when we have planned absences of our two civilians that work the office, If they're going to be a way of training or we have some otherwise, you know, advanced notice they're not going to be in, then we actually have the volunteers who will work the front counter and be a friendly face to greet the public. |
| 02:50:41.20 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 02:50:45.40 | John | And despite their nervousness, they do a really good job and just get people directed in the right way, getting an officer called in for them. |
| 02:50:51.05 | John Sweeney | Thank you. |
| 02:50:54.56 | John | And it's been a lot of fun for us to have them rise to an additional level of service that they provide. Thank you. included in the statistical report is the incredible amount of hours that the volunteers provide for us. Individually, it's probably close to 100, but we have 21 or 22 serving volunteers now, and they're just the greatest group of people to serve with. Our patrol boat program took a really big spike in activity this year. It turns out that's probably a good thing, considering the America's Cup is coming in, and we probably really need to get really good at this. But in 2010, we probably really need to get really good at this. But in 2010, we actually logged 167 hours. It's how we use the Thai France Fund money that you allocate to us in the budget to provide marine patrol. And so that's what it's gone for. So we've actually raised the amount of officers from four to a total of six. We're training now to operate the boat. And for any of you that do boat stuff, it's not as easy as it looks. And of course, the people that know how to do it make it look easy. I've enjoyed going for a ride. I don't know that I'd want to drive it. And anyways, of course, they provide service of all types, whether it's like assisting with the rescue or the searching of the 90-year-old lady who went missing. We put our boat out on the water in the middle of the night, and because of their training experience, we're able to do all the low water areas while the larger boats did the deeper areas. And so we're going to have a lot of different |
| 02:51:52.41 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Mm-hmm. |
| 02:52:19.43 | John | And then, of course, in addition to that, we also you know, exercised our disaster plan, but you already heard all about that from Sergeant Cross. But we look at that as a continuing staff development and so we actually swap around a little bit of our duties so it's not the same one of us getting that training each time. So we might put different people in different roles because in case that happens, you can never be positive who's going to be the first one to show up. And we're not the only department that does that. Other departments who participated from city departments also did the same thing and had different people in some of the different roles. If you have any questions about the statistics or anything I've said or anything I didn't mention, please ask. |
| 02:53:02.63 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:53:03.69 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, I just had a couple quick ones that sometimes Scott would, and I found these to be actually kind of nice to have because they show sort of a different take on how you're policing as the, I forget what the right term of art is for, but it's not interviews, but it's like field something or others. Oh, field interviews. Field interviews, where... |
| 02:53:13.92 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 02:53:13.95 | Unknown | for the |
| 02:53:22.76 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 02:53:25.85 | Jonathan Leone | officers would be more proactive in sort of maybe finding out what's happening in a certain area by talking to people. Has that number of... and your officers track those and they log them in, has that number been the same level over the past year? Thank you. |
| 02:53:42.05 | John | No, we... |
| 02:53:42.25 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:53:43.74 | John | I'd say over the course of a year, it probably stays about the same, but depending on the season and what's going on, like in the cold winter months, they work pretty hard to scrape up somebody to talk to, even though they try really hard. When the weather's nice and people aren't walking around, the officers are, it's a little easier to make those contacts. But we firmly believe that documenting those field contacts with people lets us know who's doing what in the community. And then, of course, if we do have some sort of criminal activity take place, we can go back and search our field contacts for people in the area. So it's a great tool. |
| 02:53:54.86 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:53:54.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:53:54.97 | Jonathan Leone | When the weather's nice, it's... Wow. |
| 02:53:58.15 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:54:15.78 | John | It's all computerized in our records management system and our computer and dispatch system, so we get a lot of use out of it. One of the things that led to a successful conclusion of that crime speed that occurred in October was the stolen forest and the stolen property. Because a lot of agencies do this countywide, we were able to piece together, of course, that the criminals involved in that didn't just come to Sausalito. They were picking on Mill Valley and Twin Cities and San Rafael and some of the sheriff's |
| 02:54:23.38 | Jonathan Leone | And I guess. |
| 02:54:42.66 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:54:43.00 | John | And so, by... |
| 02:54:43.02 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:54:44.92 | John | putting together those field contacts, we were able to identify the people and, you know, of course they're serving time now and we're able to return. Finally, we've got the last car finding was located in San Francisco a short time ago and so everybody's got their vehicles back. We returned probably easily two-thirds of the hundreds of pieces of property that we recovered and our two detectives led that criminal investigation from beginning to end. So it was a great piece of work. |
| 02:55:10.59 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. That's great. And just following on the field interviews, is the number of foot patrols was in sort of another stat that I know that was a policy that the department's been sort of encouraging officers to get out of the car. Has that also been relatively constant? Because sometimes we would get that stat too. |
| 02:55:18.59 | John | Thank you. |
| 02:55:18.64 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:55:19.00 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 02:55:27.58 | John | we get that stat too. I mentioned this in a previous staff report. One of the community policing projects for one of the night teams and the second night team followed up with that was they actually started doing the foot patrols at night. And one of the things they were doing was checking cars to see if one, observing to see if there's any valuables left in plain sight and then if any of the doors were unlocked. And if there was, depending, if it was simply unlocked, it would just lock the door and leave a note. Inside, of course, could be a little bit more effective to put the note on the inside before you lock the door. The other was, if necessary, wake up the owner of the car and say, hey, you've got some stuff in here you probably want to take out. And we did dozens of those, and we only had one person call up, and it was a little froggy with us about how dare you do that. We said, look, okay, fine. We'd like to prevent those crimes knowing that theft is one of our, you know, petty theft and grant theft are one of our major crime categories. So we did quite a bit of those, but also I didn't really mention it, but in 2010, |
| 02:55:43.89 | Jonathan Leone | to see. |
| 02:56:00.25 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:56:15.54 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:56:15.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:15.63 | Jonathan Leone | out. |
| 02:56:16.30 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 02:56:29.51 | John | At the first half of the year, we took our six police bicycles and went through and serviced them and we did the training updates for all the officers who are qualified to ride. You'll see more often now a bike rack on the back of the police car and a bicycle and that. And the officers will take that from spot to spot and do a considerable amount of riding. |
| 02:56:43.50 | Jonathan Leone | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:56:50.09 | John | And of course, we can't let him get too far away from the park because we've got to get to something. you know, if stopping allows, we'll have somebody do bicycle patrol just downtown. So we kind of count that as a foot patrol issue as well. It's something different than being in the car. It's got to get out. and see people, contact people. Thank you. |
| 02:57:08.31 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor? Good. |
| 02:57:09.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:57:09.36 | Linda Pfeifer | And I noticed that the parking violations are down from 10,608, 10,400, so in 09, down to 8,000. Do you have a sense as to why? I do. Is it the parking system? |
| 02:57:21.68 | John | Yeah. Is it the parking system? We only had our third of three parking enforcement officers. We only had that position built for six of the 12 months in 2010. The beginning of the year, we didn't have that person on board. Then in May, we hired the person, and in November, she left, and then we went without until I introduced Chris Majoria last month and added her on. So that's, you know, when you only have three and you have one missing, it accounts for quite a bit of productivity. There's been some, also some, |
| 02:57:35.01 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 02:57:35.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:57:51.17 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 02:57:51.21 | Jonathan Leone | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:57:51.61 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. you |
| 02:57:55.34 | John | participation in the development of the new parking system where we've relied on our parking enforcement officers to help us work through all the details of, you know, the actual citation planning and a bunch of technical stuff about all that equipment and making it work and produce the citation. So we've given up some staff time on that as well to assist in the implementation of So already the numbers for this part of the year, and you'll hear that next month, have already come up from the same time last year just for that reason. |
| 02:58:27.15 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:58:29.04 | John | Any other? |
| 02:58:29.67 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:58:30.98 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:58:31.50 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Any comment from the public on this item? |
| 02:58:37.14 | John | Can I add one more thing? I forgot. It's right here in my little pile. You can add two things, if you want. Okay. It's 130 things, actually. I mentioned this last time, and I thought that – Gee, that's right. Bring it back and fold it up as a little show and tell. I mentioned that throughout the beginning of 2010 and completed just before we moved, our primary boat operator, Corporal Matt Shoup, and Bill Price, of course, Harbor Master, worked together to produce this document. It's what we call like a mug book, but it's up on the anchor apps. And there's 130 according to our count, but of course, you know, that could go up or down by a few in any given day. And each of them is, there's a photograph of each, a GPS location, registration if there is any, description of whether the boat has its own power or not, and any information that we could accumulate on each boat. It was a significant undertaking and of course we rely on Bill Price to assist us with all things related to the waterfront, but he's taught so many of our people and they work together with them to produce this. So we have this electronic form in addition to a couple of printed copies. So if you have any questions about that, and again, this might come up in our planning for the America's Cup. And we've already got a pretty significant amount of work done, obviously with any changes that occur from week to week. So I wanted to make sure I have that in there so that you know we have this. Then I know it was of interest to counsel some months ago. |
| 02:58:39.45 | Herb Weiner | My eye is choosing. OK. Thank you. I mentioned this last one. Bring it back to the floor. |
| 02:59:03.79 | Jonathan Leone | of all the aircrafts. |
| 02:59:56.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:04.40 | John | Thank you. |
| 03:00:04.47 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:00:04.79 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 03:00:06.12 | Jonathan Leone | Excellent. |
| 03:00:06.80 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, John. And thank you for a good job. |
| 03:00:07.39 | John | Thank you. |
| 03:00:07.41 | Carolyn Ford | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:00:07.56 | John | Thank you. |
| 03:00:07.57 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:00:07.62 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:00:07.94 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you, John. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:00:12.97 | Herb Weiner | Amen. |
| 03:00:12.99 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:00:13.02 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:00:14.63 | Herb Weiner | I don't know. Okay, with that, Sorry to keep you waiting, Andy. Status update on greenhouse emission projects. |
| 03:00:27.91 | Andrew Davidson | That one keeps popping up on its own. Okay. I'm starting to talk like me now. I'm the city manager and the director of public works for this opportunity to introduce the city's greenhouse gas emissions inventory and reduction plan. I'm Andrew Davidson, staff engineer for your department of public works. I'll start by touching on two state bills I promised very quickly, then move on to the city's role in reducing greenhouse gas emissions and what the city's accomplished recently and what it hopes it may possibly accomplish in the very near future. |
| 03:00:31.74 | Herb Weiner | you It's time to talk like me now. |
| 03:01:02.79 | Andrew Davidson | Two bills, Assembly Bill 32 and Senate Bill 375, are primary California bills addressing greenhouse gas and emissions. |
| 03:01:09.25 | Unknown | Thank you. I can't do it. |
| 03:01:11.63 | Andrew Davidson | First Bill, AB 32, set a 2020 greenhouse gas emissions reduction goal into law. It directed the California Air Resources Board, the CARB, to develop early actions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It also directed the CARB to identify how best to reach this 2020 target. Here comes some numbers. In 2007, the CARB set a greenhouse coal reduction target for 2020, equivalent to the state's emissions back in 1990. which were about 427 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emission. To reach this goal, a reduction of approximately 15% below current levels will be required statewide. Recognizing the important role that local governments will have in reaching this 2020 target, the CARB recommends that local governments reduce their GHG emissions, greenhouse gas emissions, by 15% relative to their 2005 emissions. |
| 03:02:21.26 | Andrew Davidson | The other bill, Senate Bill 375, brings together the role of the CARB to reduce greenhouse gas emissions with the roles of regional planning organizations to reduce emissions from the transportation sector. Where AB 32 focuses on all sectors of emissions, SB 375 focuses exclusively on the transportation sector for greenhouse gas emissions reduction. Reduction goals are to be achieved by reducing the number of miles driven by cars and light trucks, again from a base year of 2005. |
| 03:03:02.30 | Andrew Davidson | The city of Sausalito's role in reducing greenhouse gas emissions In 2008, the city adopted Resolution No. 4935. In it, the city joined ICLEI, Local Governments for Sustainability, to pledge to take a leadership role in promoting public awareness about the causes and impacts of climate change. Now, ICLEI is an international organization of local governments with the goal of addressing global environmental issues on a local level. With resolution 4935, the city also resolved to undertake the Cities for Climate Protection Campaign's five milestone process to reduce emissions within Sausalito. The city is now working on milestone one. And here are the milestones. This is a process that has been standardized and is used by local governments across the U.S. to structure their climate protection efforts. Does it work? I won't hit my eye. There we go. Okay. Milestone one is to conduct a greenhouse gas emissions inventory to determine the sources and quantities of emissions. Milestone two is to establish an emissions reduction target. Three, to develop a feasible action plan with the goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions and meeting that target. Milestone four is an implementation of the action plan. And milestone five is a monitoring and to report progress. Now, it is an iterative procedure. We go through it once and then come back and do another inventory to see how we are addressing the target and how the action plan is actually doing. |
| 03:04:54.52 | Andrew Davidson | Milestone number one, where we are right now. The Greenhouse Gas Inventory identifies sources and quantities of emissions from activities and operations taking place throughout the city. It serves two primary purposes. First, it creates an emissions baseline for Sausalito against which to measure progress. And second, it identifies sources with the highest percentage of emissions and identifies targets for the greatest opportunity to reduce those emissions sort of grabbing the low-fanging fruit. Now, Sausalito is currently partnering with ICLEI, ABAG, and PG&E in a program called Green Communities to conduct an inventory of emissions generated by the city's municipal operations for a baseline of 2005. At no cost to the city, ABAC is assigned an intern to complete a local government operations emissions inventory. The intern is working under the supervision of the Community Development Department. The inventory is ongoing and hopefully will be completed in May with the presentation by ABAG either in May or June of this year. The local government operations is only one component of an inventory. There are two basic components. The other and significantly larger component is the community's greenhouse gas emissions. Local government emissions typically account for approximately 2% of a community's levels. Now as an example of communities of Marin who have completed both the municipal and the community-wide inventories, I don't think this is fully inclusive, but Belvedere's government emissions account for approximately 2% of the community's emissions. Larkspur and Novato about half a percent, and San Rafael about 1%. |
| 03:06:28.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:50.28 | Andrew Davidson | Now, currently, ABAG doesn't have funding to provide support for community emissions inventory, but a demand has been identified. I've called them several times. And ABAG and ICLE are hoping to work with PG&E to establish an internship partnership program similar to what's going on now with our municipal operations. |
| 03:07:12.10 | Andrew Davidson | Now, really one pretty good success here, something that was done recently here in the city, and that are the solar panels up here on the roof of City Hall. They were installed mostly in 2009 and went into operation in January of 2010. For the calendar year 2010, That system offset approximately 105,000 pounds of carbon dioxide. Now that reduces down to about 48 metric tons. which further reduces down to.000048 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions. Now, the reason I bring that up is that California is measuring on millions of metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions. And to meet the goals of AB 32, by 2020, the state will have to reduce approximately 169 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions. So we're a small component, but that's okay. |
| 03:08:13.96 | Jonathan Leone | Hmm. |
| 03:08:18.79 | Andrew Davidson | Now there's another facility that you all are very familiar with, and those are the public safety facilities. Unfortunately, we don't know their net impact, and we won't know their net impact on greenhouse gas emissions. They are certainly much more efficient than the facilities that they have replaced, but in order to determine what their impact on emissions are, we'll require another inventory sometime after this one that's ongoing is completed and after they've been up and |
| 03:08:51.36 | Andrew Davidson | A future activity that has at least been discussed a little bit In 2010, the Marin Energy Management Team evaluated Sausalito's City Hall boiler and street lighting. This evaluation indicated that by switching to LED street lights, the city would reduce its annual emissions by approximately 71,000 pounds of carbon dioxide. And you can see where that reduces down to. So in summary, Completion of the Government Operations Greenhouse Gas Inventory, along with continuation of the Cities for Climate Protection Campaign's milestone process, will help identify opportunities to reduce emissions, provide guidance, and suggest projects for the city to pursue to accomplish the goals of greenhouse gas emissions reduction. And that concludes my presentation. If you have any questions, I would be happy to try and answer them. Thank you. |
| 03:09:44.40 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Andy. Any kind of questions? Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. |
| 03:09:45.27 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:09:45.31 | Adam Politzer | Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. Andy, can you just identify your team because it's important that the council recognizes that Andy's not acting alone on this. |
| 03:09:53.74 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:09:54.03 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:09:54.20 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:09:54.25 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:09:54.27 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:09:54.32 | Andrew Davidson | I'm working, Community Development Department is represented by Lily Shinseng and we also have David Weatherford who is helping a lot. David did a lot of work and he put together this presentation. |
| 03:09:54.84 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 03:10:06.82 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:10:06.84 | Linda Pfeifer | Great. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Mayor? Council Member Pfeiffer? |
| 03:10:12.39 | Jonathan Leone | question. |
| 03:10:12.97 | Herb Weiner | FIFA. Thank you. |
| 03:10:13.67 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:10:13.86 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. So I was looking at the survey, you know, sample from ICLEI and I noticed a lot of the questions referred to commute. And I was just wondering if other cities having done this inventory and this study have explored telecommuting strategies? |
| 03:10:35.42 | Andrew Davidson | They may have, but I do not know what other cities have done. Transportation is a fairly substantial component for municipal operations, including the municipalities vehicles like the yard vehicles and stuff, they will be big components. We'll find out how much they do contribute. Telecommunity would be wonderful. Thank you. The impact I don't know. |
| 03:10:53.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:53.85 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:10:54.07 | Kat Mullins | We do. Thank you. |
| 03:10:57.41 | Herb Weiner | me. Any other questions? The price of gas keeps on going up. I think it will meet your goals. |
| 03:11:03.15 | Jonathan Leone | Andy, I think you might want to put that same request for money that you're putting towards PG&E and throw it at the MEA and make them respond to it. I know they've created a couple of different programs. They're more limited in funding, and this might be sort of one that's up their alley too. And I would encourage your committee to take it down to the department level as you were trying to do, you know, including keeping track of it. We're now buying electric. I think we're supposed to do an electric vehicle for the parking folks. Is that correct? You know, every little bit to keep track of all those things is, it's going to be pointed out. But, you know, that's going to draw a little contribution that we can make given the huge scale of things. That's all a brilliant thing. And secondly, I think, and thank you to Jonathan and to Andy for having Andy being able to participate at the Sustainability Commission because that committee, commission never had any staff support before Andy and Jonathan did that. It made a big difference. |
| 03:11:05.58 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 03:11:14.58 | Unknown | Take them. |
| 03:11:41.03 | Herb Weiner | hybrid. |
| 03:11:49.93 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:11:52.49 | Kat Mullins | You don't want to add up. |
| 03:12:13.30 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:12:13.32 | John | Thank you. It made a big difference. Happy to be there. Okay. Any questions? |
| 03:12:19.04 | Herb Weiner | Council. At this time, here, any public comment? Bring it back up here. Okay. Andy, thank you very, very much. Thank you. Thank you, Jonathan. |
| 03:12:26.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:12:27.04 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Anthony. Thank you, Jonathan. |
| 03:12:29.64 | Jonathan Leone | But you don't need an action because we're already part of it. Right? Yeah. That's. |
| 03:12:30.02 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. All right. |
| 03:12:36.50 | Herb Weiner | Okay. you Next item is the, this is difficult, Removal of a member from the Sustainability Commission. Amen. staff report. I guess you want me to speak? |
| 03:12:55.42 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, there really is no staff report other than what's in your oral report, other than what's written in your staff report. Recommendation has come forward for the council to consider the removal of a commissioner. This is council action, and that's really all that's to be reported. Debbie Pagliaro normally would be giving this report, but to her absence this evening. |
| 03:13:26.66 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 03:13:29.27 | Adam Politzer | We aren't able to give you any more information than what's been supplied as a staff report in your packet. |
| 03:13:40.76 | Herb Weiner | My comment on this movement is, or re-movement, is that I've attended a few of the Sustainability Commission meetings. The first one I went to I found this commissioner was very disruptive to getting things through Agenda. The second time I went, It wasn't as bad, but I can't be at every meeting to make sure that this is taken care of. So I think it's for the best of this commission that this member be removed. With that, any questions from the council at this time? |
| 03:14:32.15 | Jonathan Leone | I have to, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. |
| 03:14:38.49 | Jonathan Leone | for you, for who we ask. |
| 03:14:41.12 | Herb Weiner | Okay, well, any comments from the public? Okay then. |
| 03:14:47.07 | Jonathan Leone | The question just to clarify, you're the council rep for this committee since becoming mayor, is that correct? |
| 03:14:55.66 | Herb Weiner | Is that correct? And I think I gave you my report on what I observed. |
| 03:15:01.12 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 03:15:01.39 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Okay. |
| 03:15:06.05 | Herb Weiner | and it's not easy. Thank you. |
| 03:15:07.45 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:15:07.67 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. So can we have a vote on this? |
| 03:15:12.56 | Jonathan Leone | I think it's taken over time. |
| 03:15:14.37 | Herb Weiner | I did I ask for public comment. |
| 03:15:17.14 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, you didn't? |
| 03:15:17.68 | Herb Weiner | Yes, they did, believe it or not. |
| 03:15:19.40 | Jonathan Leone | No, I just wanted to make sure. |
| 03:15:20.68 | Herb Weiner | See, I'm learning. Okay. |
| 03:15:23.87 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:15:23.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:15:24.04 | Mike Kelly | I need to be removed. |
| 03:15:25.71 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:15:25.73 | Mike Kelly | move that we remove the designated member from the Sustainability Commission. Thank you. |
| 03:15:32.21 | Herb Weiner | Okay, have a second. |
| 03:15:36.98 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, I'll second it before we get open and comment on it. |
| 03:15:37.34 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:15:41.22 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:15:41.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:15:41.44 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Okay, all in favor. |
| 03:15:44.74 | Jonathan Leone | Tell me. All right. Okay. Let's open it up. Comment on it. Okay. |
| 03:15:45.67 | Herb Weiner | All right, okay, let's open it up. Okay. |
| 03:15:48.68 | Jonathan Leone | So just as a point of reference, this is a former council rep or whatever you want to call it. Thank you. |
| 03:15:55.97 | Herb Weiner | Liaison. Liaison. |
| 03:15:57.03 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:15:57.06 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:15:57.08 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:15:57.10 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:15:57.43 | Jonathan Leone | to this committee. I have both... seen some of the conflict on this commission as well as some of the really sizable and meaningful contributions that this Vivek has contributed to the Xosso community and I very much appreciate them. And I would also say that... For the record, I was myself removed from a commission at one point in time as a planning commissioner by the city council, not necessarily even letting me know that that was going to happen, and it's not a good feeling. And you feel betrayed, and you feel like, why did I put myself out there in the public, and then have what I try to do my best job of saying in the proverbial sense, and then for whatever reason, it feels like the rug comes out from underneath of you. And I think in this case, and I, because I feel more, attached to it. |
| 03:17:02.98 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:17:03.20 | Jonathan Leone | Well, more that I can understand somewhat being in Alex's shoes is that it's not a good feeling and it's not something that I do lightly. But I think this is one of those cases where groups need to function as groups. And sometimes a particular makeup of a group is not the best mix for an individual. |
| 03:17:03.21 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 03:17:23.33 | Jonathan Leone | And I don't know if that was what was determined when I was removed from the Planning Commission. I think that was more politically motivated than anything. with the prior public safety building proposal. So it's not without a great heavy heart that I think that this has gotten to this point. |
| 03:17:42.82 | Herb Weiner | And for me, it always has been, even in my business world, a very difficult decision to make. But I have to think of the whole commission and how it can move forward. And that's why this was brought in. It's always a very difficult decision. And we always do appreciate the idea that these are people that volunteer their time. |
| 03:18:06.61 | Unknown | Thank you. you |
| 03:18:07.14 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:18:07.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:11.32 | Herb Weiner | And that's something that's very important. |
| 03:18:12.49 | Jonathan Leone | That's very important to us. Yeah, just to point out as a recognition that the most recent e-waste recycling effort that the commission did was organized by Alex. Yeah. And that was very successful in my understanding as it went very well. So that it's, you know, there's a, I hope that there's a way that we can still have your contributions going forward, but if not, |
| 03:18:25.75 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 03:18:40.09 | Jonathan Leone | I think that I have appreciated your involvement and your willingness to contribute to the |
| 03:18:48.73 | Herb Weiner | Okay, with that, is that a sentence? |
| 03:18:54.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:56.26 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Okay. |
| 03:18:57.31 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:18:58.45 | Adam Politzer | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Yes. Councilmember Leon? |
| 03:18:59.68 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 03:19:02.00 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 03:19:02.79 | Adam Politzer | Councilmember Ford. |
| 03:19:04.53 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 03:19:04.95 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:19:05.12 | Adam Politzer | Vice Mayor Kelly. Thank you. |
| 03:19:06.25 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 03:19:06.72 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. Mayor Weiner. |
| 03:19:07.06 | Herb Weiner | me or why Yes. |
| 03:19:12.75 | Herb Weiner | Is she allowed to speak now? She has her hand up. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:19:15.77 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 03:19:15.93 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. I asked before. |
| 03:19:17.22 | Jonathan Leone | It's up to you, you're the mayor. |
| 03:19:23.48 | Herb Weiner | I'd rather just move on with this. I mean, I ask for public opinion, comment. Um, |
| 03:19:34.68 | Herb Weiner | Madam, you want to make your report? |
| 03:19:37.60 | Adam Politzer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor and council members. Most of the items that I have on my list to update the council on have been addressed tonight. The VA meeting was one of them and we deferred the mayor and vice mayor's comments until a |
| 03:19:57.11 | Jonathan Leone | We'll bring you back up in a second. Sorry to, I think you missed the earlier thing, but he |
| 03:20:01.57 | Alice Merrill | Actually, I don't think I did. I'll stand here silently. until process Thank you. |
| 03:20:12.45 | Adam Politzer | So earlier we deferred reports from the mayor or the vice mayor on the VA meeting, so that will be if they would like to expand on what was discussed earlier regarding our meeting with the VA this morning, I'll defer that to the mayor and the vice mayor. We, via the mayor's comments earlier, recognized Jennifer Tejada this evening, our new chief, and the party on March 17th, 4 p.m. at the VA model. Another plug for that. And I also want to recognize Captain Robacher and John's willingness to step forward, his experience, leadership, and guidance during the recruitment of our new chief and running the ship. when Scott retired in October. was outstanding to have John on our team and have that level of experience available to be called upon. Folks may remember when Steve Willis, Chief Willis, left the city, they brought in an interim police chief, Ernie Clements. He did a fine job, but they didn't have anyone within the ranks that they felt confident to bring in. We were lucky when Chief Krimes left to the city of Novato that Don McQuarrie was able to step in and act as acting chief during that period of time. So I really feel privileged to have had the opportunity to work with John closely. I was very much impressed with him as our captain. I knew of his credentials in San Rafael, obviously participating with Chief Paulin in the recruitment and hiring of John Robucker, but now getting to work with him in that level of a leadership was an outstanding opportunity for me. I learned a great deal from John and I thank him for his service to our community. The other items that was discussed earlier was also the strategic planning session, which you heard from the folks that are with the community garden effort. said that they were going to be attending our strategic planning session on March 25th. So that has already been reminded to the Council of the importance of the strategic planning session. And then the priority calendar, which is also was mentioned earlier this evening, is a reminder that we'll go through this exercise. And as you folks have all experienced, it's a pretty time-intensive exercise where we'll have the various boards and commissions provide feedback on items that they think the council should consider placing on the priority calendar. There will be items from last year that have made some movement but haven't been completed that will want to continue, and there will be items that we've completed that can be replaced with new items. As you also will recall, there were items that were below the line that may move up. So there's no shortage of ideas of the city's priorities and where we should place our energy and in some cases we can't avoid it. The America's Cup is an item that's not on the priority calendar, but, you know, we have to do something at least to prepare. And I think that you heard earlier this evening an excellent report from our Associate Planner, Heidi Burns, giving you not just a report on the EAR that San Francisco is undergoing but a little bit of the history of the America's Cup. So it's really important to recognize that staff doesn't just get direction from Council and then roll out a report the next day. It's a lot of work and a lot of research and I think you also have recognized and seen that with her efforts with the va project of really digging in working with the hlb to provide some significant information that's both educational and informative and helpful in the council making their decisions as we move forward the va project is also not on our priority calendar but once the va came forward and said what they were going to do the council on a 5-0 vote said it's our number one priority so that's where you've seen resources shifted towards working on that this evening you heard a pretty comprehensive report from our community development and director that you know really outlined the the the workload that is on their plate. We talked about the Housing Element Committee this evening. We just looked at some of the reports that were provided this evening by the by the Community Development Department. And then the quarterly report, and it really does show that the three planners, the assistant planner that does the trees and views committee, which was also discussed this evening, and code enforcement, and then the two associate planners are one building inspector official and our building technician and their administrative aide, they actually do a great deal of work I think that is a department that works effectively with the resident and community serving groups with the BAC and the HLB. and the HECC and the trees and views. So there is a and the Planning Commission, which is obviously a very important asset to our team here. So I think that as we look towards the priority calendar process, it's easy to sit there and create new priorities. But let's make sure that we complete the priorities that we've set forth in the past years and this past year. And make sure that we complete what we do. It continues to be part of our theme of back to the basics and make sure that we do a the things that are most important to our community and you as five individual council members have the opportunity to rank those projects and then collectively as a council prioritize those projects so that staff has clear direction as we move forward into 2011 and 2012. as we move into this strategic planning session on the 25th then followed by the priority calendar, in April and then the budget process. You can see how this all ties together. So spend some time this month looking at the priorities, your own individual priorities, as we look forward to next year, understanding our budget constraints as we still are in a downturn in the economy, And we, as you heard from our finance director at the midyear budget, have our guard up with concerns of revenues that at this moment do not look like they're going to reach their targets. And our efforts in controlling our spending to counter the revenues that may not impact or may not reach their targets. But I think for the city and for our city leaders, this is a really exciting time during the calendar to be looking forward and looking ahead at how we're going to serve our community and what services have the greatest value as we move forward and prioritize the city's departments in terms of getting the job done. I'll conclude my report there and look forward to reentering after a terrific vacation. I want to thank Charlie Francis and the rest of the management team for stepping forward. Charlie did an outstanding job leading the team and I think that he would also I'd like to acknowledge the staff that was there on his side. He did leave me a very funny email of all the things that happened and was very grateful that I was coming back. Thank you. |
| 03:28:07.31 | Jonathan Leone | And |
| 03:28:08.24 | Adam Politzer | And I was grateful that our new chief was here on Monday since I wasn't here to greet her when she started on the 22nd. So all in all, I'm back. I'm recharged. It's five hours earlier in my time where I am right now. That's why I have a lot more energy than maybe you folks do. But, you know, we are very lucky still to be in a city that's doing very well and is led by folks that have vision that inspire me and give me the opportunity to... lucky still to be in a city that's doing very well and is led by folks that have vision that inspire me and give me the opportunity to inspire my team. So I think that the next four and a half months or three and a half months is going to be very exciting as we look forward in facing our new challenges. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any questions |
| 03:28:24.02 | Kat Mullins | Have you felt stupid? |
| 03:28:25.03 | Unknown | Uh, |
| 03:28:25.69 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 03:28:52.70 | Herb Weiner | questions. Thank you. |
| 03:28:54.41 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 03:28:54.82 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:28:55.19 | Linda Pfeifer | I guess I have a question. For the strategic planning offsite, are we going to include performance objectives on the agenda for that? |
| 03:29:08.55 | Adam Politzer | Not at this time. There hasn't been any consensus from the council that can be discussed as part of the strategic planning session if that's a consensus of the council when we sit down and review the various goals. So again, we have the goals that the council has set in the past that the staff is working on. If the council wants to make an objective that addresses that particular item, that's to the prerogative of the council. |
| 03:29:35.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:29:35.92 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:29:36.34 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. |
| 03:29:36.82 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Okay, thank you, Adam. Alex? |
| 03:29:43.33 | Alice Merrill | Let me know. City personnel, appropriately, if the three-minute rule applies or not when the agenda topic is consideration of a removal of a commissioner, not specified by name on the posted agenda. or specified by name. prior to an unclear motion made in beginning of a vote count nor with the opportunity for that commissioner to speak after his or her's name was filed by comment from another council member? Would it be three minutes? Yes, you have three minutes. |
| 03:30:10.63 | Unknown | You have a... |
| 03:30:11.00 | Carolyn Ford | his or her's name was filed by comment from another council. |
| 03:30:15.04 | Herb Weiner | Would it be three minutes? Yes, you have three minutes. |
| 03:30:17.42 | Alice Merrill | Okay, thank you. |
| 03:30:22.45 | Alice Merrill | Could the Secretary please read back the motion that was made for the individual taking minutes |
| 03:30:31.71 | Adam Politzer | The secretary left earlier. We're now relying on the transcripts that are recorded on the web stream. |
| 03:30:39.24 | Alice Merrill | how our transcripts recorded. I'm not familiar with this process. |
| 03:30:44.38 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, may I make a brief comment in response to |
| 03:30:45.94 | Kat Mullins | Yes. |
| 03:30:46.39 | Margot Gerges | Mary. |
| 03:30:49.28 | Mary Wagner | Ms. Vivick's earlier comment that there was no name included. The name was included in the staff report. and I think it was out of respect for the commissioner or committee member not for an intent to obfuscate what was taking place. So the public record is clear. that the commissioner who was removed from the sustainability commission is obviously yourself. The council called for public comment. That was a clear call for public comment. No one commented. And, you know, granting the time after the fact is a courtesy, and we can continue to run that time if you would so like. |
| 03:31:27.92 | Alice Merrill | So again, to the question of transcription, that would be video. Audio. |
| 03:31:36.04 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:31:36.06 | Alice Merrill | taken of handwritten notes. |
| 03:31:36.07 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor. |
| 03:31:37.73 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. |
| 03:31:37.76 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, just again for clarification, if you can address all your comments to the council, we'll make note of your comments. We can respond to them at the council's discretion after the conclusion of your time. |
| 03:31:45.02 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. |
| 03:31:49.08 | Alice Merrill | very well. The first comment would be, the taking of notes and minutes. as well as any other potential recording devices. or means used, to help support what I would think would be our common goal of an accurate Honest. non-censorable. non-edible, with ill intent records. |
| 03:32:25.60 | Alice Merrill | I also recognize that there are matters that are best addressed the space. level of privacy. and the opportunity to reflect meaningfully in order to render an effective decision. As such, for those individuals that are not members of city council, Please know that I submitted a three-page letter. to City Council. That I wrote. for their review. Would a council member, perhaps starting from their right, rotating to their left care to read that letter a paragraph at a time. |
| 03:33:22.01 | Alice Merrill | if they want to respond after the three minutes, I will respect that. |
| 03:33:26.60 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:33:27.75 | Alice Merrill | I am capable of reading the letters. I am also capable of taking the opportunity to speak to people that I consider to be well informed and qualified |
| 03:33:44.14 | Alice Merrill | balanced while recognizing their limitations The fact that none of us are perfect and therefore might have perspectives that are informed based upon one set of life experiences or professional experience and expertise and skill sets. |
| 03:34:08.52 | Alice Merrill | Which brings me to the comment of a council member knowing the shoes I walk in I am quite certain you do not. I'm quite certain Nobody in this room does. And I also very much respect those that. quote unquote, wear larger shoes, and have walked in front of us. so that we might know the right direction. |
| 03:34:51.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:34:51.42 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 03:34:55.01 | Herb Weiner | All right. |
| 03:34:56.19 | Jonathan Leone | . |
| 03:34:59.18 | Herb Weiner | Okay, the next item on our agenda is the appointment to the Housing Element Committee. |
| 03:35:06.08 | Jonathan Leone | you Thank you. or test work. That's good. |
| 03:35:10.99 | Herb Weiner | I have four, sorry. Excuse me on that task force. Okay, I have... Do I put these names out one at a time? Is that what we do? |
| 03:35:29.98 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, you can make a nomination for each vacant position. and then open it to other council members to make nominations if there are additional nominations and then we'll go through and call for each council member's vote. And in order to be appointed a nominee has to receive three votes. |
| 03:35:50.43 | Herb Weiner | All right, thank you. There were two seats vacant now on this, and I... Nominate Susan Cleveland Knowles. And Raymond Withey. Are there any other nominations? |
| 03:36:14.80 | Herb Weiner | You call a Lola line? |
| 03:36:15.86 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:36:16.08 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:36:16.10 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:36:16.48 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:36:16.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:36:17.85 | Herb Weiner | Oh, then we don't? Yeah. Good. Okay, I'm gonna. |
| 03:36:17.90 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:36:17.97 | Jonathan Leone | then we don't. |
| 03:36:18.76 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:36:18.83 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:36:18.88 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:36:19.03 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 03:36:22.07 | Mary Wagner | So by acclimation the two members are appointed? |
| 03:36:23.54 | Herb Weiner | Acclamation. Okay, thank you. Next is... Thank you. Thank you. future agenda items. Any? Okay. |
| 03:36:37.70 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Mr. Mayor, I have to... |
| 03:36:40.46 | Herb Weiner | Okay, Council Member Ford. |
| 03:36:43.01 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, actually three. The... |
| 03:36:46.20 | Herb Weiner | I appreciate it again when we go up the floor. No. |
| 03:36:47.77 | Carolyn Ford | No, but you can try it. Maybe. Okay. Three, the Marin Telecommunications Agency is debating, as the mayor and I know, and I'm sure Council Member Leon, since he was on that board before me, is debating switching from the local Comcast organization to state franchise. And so I will be bringing that to the council next meeting. All right. And then the second The second thing is I would like the America's Cup committee to be placed on the agenda to get some clarification around what it is we're doing I think that mr. mayor you and I talked about that briefly and the fact that it's more of a task force at this point and a think tank that's what I meant to say sorry a think tank at this point and nonetheless I think that the meeting should be open to all of our residents so the Brown Act should be followed in that if anyone has interest and wants to listen to them and then 90 days, when they have their ideas and they come before us and tell us what they are, and then at that point we can determine whether we want to appoint a formal |
| 03:36:49.29 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. but you can try. Maybe. |
| 03:36:51.97 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry. |
| 03:36:52.87 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:37:55.32 | Kat Mullins | Thank you. |
| 03:37:55.37 | Unknown | you |
| 03:38:26.57 | Carolyn Ford | or not. |
| 03:38:28.02 | Herb Weiner | And that would be up to, by the way, that's up to 90 days because they might want to, after 30 days, come here. give us an update in general. I mean, that's what was, |
| 03:38:36.24 | Carolyn Ford | Good. Perfect. |
| 03:38:41.69 | Herb Weiner | communicated with them. |
| 03:38:42.00 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. And then the third one is reviewing the smoking ordinance. We had some people come before us regarding smoke in their apartment complex, and I have heard from several people about smoking in public areas and wanting to take a look at that, and evidently there's a report out that shows that Sausalito is way down at the bottom of the list in this regard. We haven't really looked at it in a long time. |
| 03:39:14.23 | Herb Weiner | No bad something about it. |
| 03:39:15.82 | Carolyn Ford | So I would recommend that we put that on our agenda soon. |
| 03:39:25.10 | Carolyn Ford | Are you chuckling? |
| 03:39:29.57 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:39:29.58 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:39:29.60 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:39:29.65 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, that's it. |
| 03:39:30.40 | Jonathan Leone | I hope it encourages you. That's it. |
| 03:39:34.21 | Herb Weiner | It's only him. |
| 03:39:34.46 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 03:39:34.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:39:35.07 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:39:35.10 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:39:35.14 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. All right, next item. And really, unless someone really, for the sake of time, unless someone wants to make a report on the committee, on a committee, please, council member. |
| 03:39:49.58 | Linda Pfeifer | I'll just comment that the Community Development Block Grant is meeting tomorrow night at the Senior Citizen Center in Marin City, just FYI. |
| 03:40:00.64 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. Thank you very much. |
| 03:40:02.61 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:40:02.90 | Carolyn Ford | Oh, and I just have one other comment. Council Member Ford. Thank you. Our... |
| 03:40:05.33 | Herb Weiner | Council Member Ford. |
| 03:40:06.10 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 03:40:09.86 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:40:09.97 | Jonathan Leone | That's me. |
| 03:40:10.73 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:40:10.84 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:40:10.93 | Mike Kelly | I switched. |
| 03:40:12.48 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:40:12.50 | Carolyn Ford | All right. |
| 03:40:12.89 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:40:15.32 | Carolyn Ford | Heidi Burns and I were invited to give a presentation to the San Francisco District of the Naval Order, which is a national organization of mostly retired officers, Navy officers, about the Marin ship and saving our machine shop building. And, uh, Heidi did a wonderful job. Her presentation was just perfect. She was so well received. And she was even able to inform that crusty group of officers of something they didn't know about World War II. So, It was fun, and she did a great job, and we hope that we get some more leads. It looks pretty promising in terms of not only who from the Navy might help, but also Bechtel, as there's several people there who have worked at Bechtel and knew Steve Bechtel. |
| 03:41:17.91 | Herb Weiner | Well, keep in mind the slogan down there at the Bay Model of the Army Corps is Army First. Anyway, with that reading address. |
| 03:41:25.75 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:41:26.00 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 03:41:26.04 | Unknown | Meeting your dreams. |
| 03:41:30.27 | Jonathan Leone | Are we? I need your answer. We need to move adjournment. Second. Thank you. |
| 03:41:36.42 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:41:36.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:36.52 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. |
| 03:41:36.74 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:41:38.04 | Jonathan Leone | Hi. Hi. Good job, Herb. |
| 03:41:39.03 | Carolyn Ford | Aye. Good job, Herb. |
| 03:41:42.05 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:41:43.76 | Carolyn Ford | Good job of getting us out here on time. Yeah, that's great. Close to time. |
| 03:41:45.55 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 03:41:45.97 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 03:42:04.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |