| Time | Speaker | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00:00.03 | Herb Weiner | We will go and close session on on a little legal matter, D1. I didn't see it. Is there any public comment on that closed session item? You want to know what it is? |
| 00:00:19.03 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:00:19.69 | Herb Weiner | Well, before that, we'll have a roll call. |
| 00:00:25.09 | Linda Pfeifer | Council member Pfeiffer here. |
| 00:00:26.69 | Herb Weiner | Any public comment on a roll call? |
| 00:00:31.49 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:00:31.50 | Unknown | Council member Ford. Vice Mayor Kelly? Mayor Weiner? |
| 00:00:37.17 | Herb Weiner | President. |
| 00:00:37.76 | Unknown | And Councilmember Leone is absent. |
| 00:00:41.70 | Herb Weiner | Okay, as I said, we're going in now in closed session on D1, which is a Zacks versus Sausalito. Is there any public comment on that closed item? Okay. Seeing none, we'll see you at 7. |
| 00:01:33.57 | Herb Weiner | And we all set? Okay. Good evening and welcome to the March 25th, 2011 meeting. And at this time here, I'd like to have a roll call, please. one more. |
| 00:01:49.42 | Unknown | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Councilmember Ford? Here. Vice Mayor Kelly? Here. Mayor Weiner? |
| 00:01:50.81 | Herb Weiner | here. |
| 00:01:53.82 | Herb Weiner | you're a good one. President. Pledge of Allegiance. Mary. you lead us to the pledge, please. |
| 00:02:01.31 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:02:01.36 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:02:04.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:02:05.02 | Unknown | to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God. |
| 00:02:05.77 | Herb Weiner | TODAY. That's why. of the United States of America. and to the republic. |
| 00:02:10.83 | Carolyn Ford | We just stand. One minute. Thank you. |
| 00:02:14.95 | Unknown | Indivisible. liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:02:16.53 | Carolyn Ford | Liberty. |
| 00:02:20.97 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 00:02:26.98 | Herb Weiner | We, uh, We met in closed session and discussed the Zacks versus Sausalito It was just more of an update. Uh... over any public comments on that closed session item. Okay. So move then. approval of the agenda. |
| 00:02:52.81 | Jonathan Leone | So move. Thank you. |
| 00:02:54.03 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:02:54.16 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 00:02:54.22 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. Okay. |
| 00:02:55.56 | Herb Weiner | All in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 00:02:56.65 | Carolyn Ford | . |
| 00:02:56.85 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 00:02:56.93 | Carolyn Ford | All right. |
| 00:02:59.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Oh, at this time here, an update on the hospitality development committee. |
| 00:03:09.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:09.67 | Carolyn Ford | Committee. |
| 00:03:10.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:14.78 | Herb Weiner | . |
| 00:03:18.13 | Herb Weiner | A duo. |
| 00:03:19.02 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 00:03:20.83 | Jonathan Leone | Amen. Put a hand in two. Yes, indeed. |
| 00:03:23.97 | Unknown | Interesting. I'll have some copies. Thank you. |
| 00:03:37.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. you We wanted to talk about the business hospitality development in the, well, its history. Thank you. what we've done and what we plan to do. you On July Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:04:03.99 | Unknown | Is that better? Yeah, there we go. On July 27, 2004, the city approved the establishment of a line item in the annual budget for hospitality business development. The Hospitality Business Development Committee was founded, composed of representatives of the hotel industry, the Chamber of Commerce, and the city to recommend specific expenditures to increase hotel occupancies, especially in the off-season. |
| 00:04:04.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:16.13 | Unknown | THE HOME. |
| 00:04:33.74 | Unknown | The council reconfirmed the committee in June of 2010 with Resolution 5155 adding two members from the restaurant industry to the group. We meet monthly, and our mission is to enhance the visitor experience and direct TOT funds to aid in the accomplishment of this goal. Transient occupancy tax receipts from Sausalito's four hotels provide approximately 6% of the city's budget, and since 2005, it's averaged about $914,000 a year. from the TOT fund collected, the city has asked the committee to recommend projects for funding, generally but not limited to an annual total of $30,000. The committee has made recommendations for action and funded projects, sometimes seeking matching or additional funds from the Chamber of Commerce and individual merchants. These projects include upgrades to the city's website, advertising campaigns, press release and brochure distribution to the San Francisco Visitor Center, our annual concierge and gingerbread house tours, seed money for the Amgen tour of California, Wi-Fi coverage in the downtown area, salaries for the Ice House docent staff, lighting of the trees in the downtown area, and various PR and marketing collateral pieces. We're all grateful for the funding that we receive from the city through this committee, which has allowed us to participate in promotions and create new brochures and materials that we might not otherwise be able to afford, bringing more visitors to Sausalito, encouraging them to stay longer, spend more, and ultimately generate more revenue for the city. We've enclosed some samples of some of the collateral pieces, DVDs, other things that you can take a look at and what we've produced over the years. And I'll describe a little bit about some of the things that you have on your desk. Using the funds from the Committee's budget, the Chamber has created two new brochures. two hours or two days in Sausalito and the where to take a photograph in Sausalito brochure, answering two of the most common tourist questions. What do we do here? So the brochures categorize things to do, and depending on how much time the visitor has to spend in our city, it gives them a lot of different options. This also gives a wonderful set of ideas on where to take photographs, maybe a little bit off the beaten track, not just in the two-block area on Bridgeway right near the ferry landing. We've done a variety of off-season advertising campaigns over the years. This year we used several different types of media, newspapers, magazine print, and online as well, casting our advertising at a little bit further than we have in the past, incorporating areas all over Marin County and in San Francisco as well. And the advertising has promoted the Gingerbread House Tour, free parking downtown, and various lodging, shopping, dining options available. We've now just funded the fourth annual Gingerbread House Tour, which was the brainchild |
| 00:06:57.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:57.21 | Carolyn Ford | So, uh... |
| 00:08:09.96 | Unknown | you you |
| 00:08:55.17 | Unknown | The participating stores and restaurants offer a variety of promotions and discounts, and they can be changed. The president of the website is the chair of the conference. |
| 00:09:16.97 | Unknown | San Francisco and Sausalio as well. Restaurants, 21 stores participated. And despite the bait, it was a great success with lunch on a dean, a treasure hunt, through town, reception and prize drawing in Caledonia Street. Each concierge received a passport to Sausalio. It's also on your desk there. And this all that participated in the restaurant. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:09:50.96 | Unknown | to their guests. We're committed to improving the visitor experience for the future, promoting Sao Sudo as an open-night destination. Projects on the horizon include the development of a mobile phone app for Sao Sudo and a digital kiosk display for visitor information. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:10:25.81 | Unknown | Bye. of PR efforts in San Francisco. It's very loading and all the fairies. |
| 00:11:08.04 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Any questions? |
| 00:11:11.84 | Jonathan Leone | I have a question. |
| 00:11:12.52 | Herb Weiner | Ma. |
| 00:11:12.62 | Jonathan Leone | my. Mark, how was the concierge attendance this year based on prior years? How did it compare? How did it compare? |
| 00:11:25.44 | Herb Weiner | And I took 52 people, which is about the same. I was kidding. |
| 00:11:25.76 | Jonathan Leone | you Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Bye. |
| 00:11:27.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:27.22 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:11:27.25 | Unknown | is about the same. |
| 00:11:28.45 | Carolyn Ford | Oh, God. . |
| 00:11:40.82 | Herb Weiner | That's our musical heater that you hear, by the way. |
| 00:11:48.56 | Herb Weiner | I know. |
| 00:11:49.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:57.62 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:12:08.41 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:12:14.92 | Unknown | We did it, the concierge event. State your name, even though we know who you are. CEO of the Social Leader Chamber of Commerce. We did the concierge event two years ago, and we had |
| 00:12:16.09 | Herb Weiner | State your name even though we know who you are. Unicad Nazi. |
| 00:12:25.96 | Unknown | about 50 concierges. Previous to that, it was hovering about 40 or so. Um, And this year it was slower to start, but we were really impressed that they actually all showed up. We even had a few people turn up who hadn't RSVP'd. So we had 55 this year, which is great. particularly with the, it was a particularly rainy day And the other really great thing is they stayed with us for the entire day. So they stayed for lunch and then actually went out into the town and walked all around Bridgeway and came down to Caledonia and finished at Studio 333. That was a two-and-a-half-hour tour, and it was raining pretty hard. So by the end of the event, I think we had about 46 people. Congratulations. That's great. |
| 00:13:11.11 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, that's excellent. |
| 00:13:14.27 | Unknown | but we really do appreciate the funds and the support from the hospitality and the City Council. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:13:21.68 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, Yoshitomi from Sushirama. Mark's like all the things, I don't understand much, but we have a new hot, the hotel owners here Casa Madalona, I do believe they do a better job, which means that we can collect more taxes here. City will benefit and will benefit finally such a big restaurant have, you know, very good owners come to their project to finish will hopefully will benefit for our community business, everybody else. I expect you to do a better job, Ryan. |
| 00:13:59.48 | Carolyn Ford | I'm sorry. |
| 00:14:01.45 | Unknown | This committee is the only place where the city spends budget to spend for promoting hospitality industry. I do believe this is the best investment city can do too. We can collect more taxes, more money, promoting hospitality industry. The city budget is close to, I believe, half the business associate. and you can see close to $1 half the business associate. And you can see close to $1 million a year are hotels only collected. So it's somewhat a little bit return, not return investment, investment to work with restaurants, hotels, and the Chamber of Commerce. And then therefore I do believe now City of South Carolina Chamber of Commerce will be than before. I used to run a four year business meeting and before that people, city officials go to the meeting, people ready to scream to the face. We don't see this way anymore, much more superarized way to, we run a business together, city and the chamber and those promise of the city budget supporting our industry, I do believe that's a very great cause for our city and the business. Thank you for all the support. |
| 00:14:59.25 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:15:17.03 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:15:17.10 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:15:17.19 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Yoshi. Thank you, Mark. Mr. Mayor. Mr. Councilmember Ford. |
| 00:15:17.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:21.25 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you, Warner. Just two comments, if I may. One, I'd just like to say that, well, thank you, first of all, for the report. And secondly, I think there are a lot of residents in town who would be very happy if you are successful in extending a ferry service to later in the evening. And the last thing is I'd like to recommend the public network events channel as a source of advertising for your committee. The Community Media Center of Marin offers a great resource there, so it's something you might want to take advantage of. |
| 00:16:06.48 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:16:07.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:08.03 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. At this time here, did you want to? You sure now? Okay, go ahead. No? All right. |
| 00:16:10.80 | Unknown | here. |
| 00:16:18.07 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, okay then. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just want to say again, echo the thoughts that my fellow city council member said. I know that I took about, I stopped by the chamber about a month ago and picked up a whole stack of these and took them. |
| 00:16:19.37 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 00:16:38.79 | Linda Pfeifer | out and put them around in Petaluma where I work. And I know that more than half of them were gone within three weeks. So these are very, Thank you. very handy and I'm just really thrilled to see so many things created. So thank you so much. Really helping Sausalito. |
| 00:16:59.50 | Herb Weiner | Okay. at this time here, is there any comments from the public on any items that are not on the agenda. Michael. |
| 00:17:14.08 | Michael Rex | Well, I'm Michael Rex, local architect, and I'm here to ask for your help tonight and to take some action on an important agenda item tonight. Last Wednesday, the Planning Commission voted 4-0 to formally endorse staff's interpretation on how to deal with a discrepancy in Chapter 10.62. in our zoning ordinance that regulates renovations of non-conforming structures. The chairman was absent and he was opposed to the action. At least that's what was indicated by the first hearing, by his comments. One of the commissioners admitted to not understanding what was going on. And yet they took a zero vote not only to endorse an interpretation, but to direct staff to prepare language for amending this chapter. It doesn't seem right that staff in the Planning Commission should be considering changing to our zoning ordinance that could have a serious negative impact on our town without direction from the council. What's been proposed is that Uh, to throw out the opportunity to renovate more than 51% of walls or horizontal surfaces without a variance, and throw out the opportunity to do so with a nonconforming permit. which has been in our ordinance since 1995. It was put in our ordinance to give people the opportunity to do a significant renovation to a home without forfeiting non-conforming elements, which promotes the preservation of our little and old cottages here in town. They're about to throw the baby out with the bathwater. No options were considered or proposed. I had asked that this be directed to the Legislative Committee because in three minutes you don't have much opportunity to explore alternatives. That I was told is not the purview of the Planning Commission. That is the purview of the City Council. So I asked this City Council to request that staff hold off on drafting language to amend our ordinance and that you place on your agenda, on 7C of your agenda, you're supposed to talk about the future agenda items. I ask that when you get to 7C tonight that you direct staff to put on the agenda for your next hearing. this topic. It's complex, you need to get involved, and I ask that you direct this matter to the legislative committee so stakeholders can sit down and run a table and bang out a workable solution. The ordinance does need to be fixed. There is discrepancy between text and table. But to gut the intent is wrong and that's the path we're on. Thank you. |
| 00:20:37.12 | Jonathan Leone | crash course. |
| 00:20:38.42 | Michael Rex | Right. |
| 00:20:38.69 | Jonathan Leone | The discrepancy is between the text in 1062. |
| 00:20:39.85 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 00:20:44.22 | Michael Rex | Yes. In 1062, there's a table that calls for a variance, and yet in the text, section A5, |
| 00:20:44.63 | Jonathan Leone | in 1060. |
| 00:20:55.33 | Michael Rex | allows for such a remodel without a variance. with a non-conforming permit. and the planning commission and the staff thinks we should just ignore that section. That isn't right. |
| 00:21:10.43 | Jonathan Leone | And then the question for you, Mary, is what's the process from here forward with this item? |
| 00:21:17.35 | Mary Wagner | Sure and as you know because this is not an agenda item on your agenda tonight We can't get into a lengthy discussion. No, just one more question. |
| 00:21:25.62 | Jonathan Leone | THE END OF THE END OF THE I just wonder what the question is. |
| 00:21:27.85 | Mary Wagner | What was brought forth to the Planning Commission was an interpretation, which is allowed under the zoning ordinance when there's an inconsistency in the provisions of the code. The Planning Commission agreed with staff's interpretation after lengthy discussions and looking at numerous options. and the follow up to that as set forth in the zoning ordinance is it's followed up with a text amendment to clarify the inconsistency or make whatever changes are directed. Staff would propose that we follow the usual procedure for that which is you know notifying the council if the council chooses to have the legislative committee spend time on it to get into the details we'll do that Of course, any amendment to the zoning ordinance has to go through public hearings at both the planning commission level and the city council level. |
| 00:22:13.41 | Jonathan Leone | So this eventually gets to the council. |
| 00:22:15.25 | Mary Wagner | The text amendment would, yes. The interpretation of the existing interpretation would only come before the council if it was appealed, if the Planning Commission action was appealed. |
| 00:22:16.78 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 00:22:26.54 | Herb Weiner | Yes. Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:22:30.49 | Mary Wagner | Sorry, Mr. Mayor. Go ahead. Being brief. What that allows is for staff to have some clarity on what they're supposed to use to operate with until the ordinance is, in fact, amended. That's the whole purpose of the interpretation. |
| 00:22:31.90 | Herb Weiner | Go ahead. |
| 00:22:46.69 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. Any other comment from the public on items not on our agenda. All right. With that, bring it back up and Our next action is to have the approval of the City Council meeting the minutes of February 15th. |
| 00:23:08.29 | Jonathan Leone | Some of it. |
| 00:23:08.66 | Herb Weiner | . |
| 00:23:08.69 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:23:08.72 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 00:23:09.10 | Carolyn Ford | I have a change, a correction. |
| 00:23:11.88 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:23:11.90 | Unknown | Yes. on September 4th. |
| 00:23:15.15 | Carolyn Ford | On the last page of the February 15 meeting, it says it was a consensus of the Council to approve the ad hoc committee as presented by the Mayor. This as regards the America's Cup. And I believe that what we had there was, I know I questioned whether or not this could be a city committee. And I would like to have that changed to say it was a consensus of the Council, to generally approve the idea of a America's Cup. Committee. Um... But this was not a city committee, and as a matter of fact, the mayor and I have talked since then, and it's been labeled the mayor's think tank until such time as this comes before the city, and we can follow our city ordinances in making it a formal city committee. So I don't know exactly how we want to phrase that, but I think it needs to be stated that it's not a formal city committee. |
| 00:24:25.74 | Herb Weiner | It's a task force. |
| 00:24:27.33 | Carolyn Ford | So think tank. Bye. You and I agreed to that, I think, right? |
| 00:24:31.67 | Herb Weiner | All right. Thank you. |
| 00:24:31.94 | Adam Politzer | So think any way you want. Mr. Mayor, if I may, I think that Maybe we're at staff time to go back and review um, the tape on that and just make sure we understand clearly what was agreed upon or not agreed upon. before we make the change and come back and report that at the next council meeting okay |
| 00:24:52.30 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. Good. So we'll push these off to the next meeting? Yes. Okay. So withdraw the motion. |
| 00:24:58.36 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Next. Approval of the meeting, the March 8th meeting. Minutes. |
| 00:24:58.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:58.94 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 00:24:58.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:59.07 | Jonathan Leone | . |
| 00:24:59.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:59.27 | Carolyn Ford | . |
| 00:24:59.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:59.64 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:24:59.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:25:00.03 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:25:04.02 | Jonathan Leone | Google Play. |
| 00:25:04.45 | Carolyn Ford | you Second. |
| 00:25:06.31 | Herb Weiner | All in favor. |
| 00:25:07.83 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 00:25:08.64 | Herb Weiner | opposed so okay thank you at this time here move to uh I'll move to items on the consent calendar. |
| 00:25:25.78 | Jonathan Leone | approval. |
| 00:25:27.02 | Herb Weiner | All of them, Véve. |
| 00:25:28.11 | Carolyn Ford | Aye. |
| 00:25:28.13 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Aye. Opposed? Thank you. So moved. Okay, let's go on to our first business item and that will be a quarterly report from the city librarian. |
| 00:25:41.49 | Jonathan Leone | and i'm just just so we're clear the golden gate ferry district is pushed off to april yes okay |
| 00:25:45.33 | Herb Weiner | Yes. Thank you. |
| 00:25:46.20 | Carolyn Ford | Ah, okay. |
| 00:25:47.92 | Herb Weiner | Oh, sorry. Yeah, okay. Mary Richardson. |
| 00:25:52.57 | Mary Richardson | to Is it on? Thank you. |
| 00:25:58.02 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:26:00.41 | Mary Richardson | I'm here tonight to give you the highlights of the last eight months of the library. Normally it's a quarterly report, but since we haven't been here for a while, it's an eight month report. Before I get started, I wanted to acknowledge the presence of the |
| 00:26:08.19 | Unknown | eat Before I get started, |
| 00:26:12.68 | Mary Richardson | Board President, Patricia DeLucas here. Hi, Pat. |
| 00:26:16.24 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:26:16.26 | Herb Weiner | Pat. |
| 00:26:20.09 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. |
| 00:26:21.07 | Mary Richardson | Thank you. |
| 00:26:27.23 | Mary Richardson | still moving. |
| 00:26:31.33 | Mary Richardson | Oh, upside down. Okay. Library use statistics indicate that the library continues to be a popular city service. We're open seven days for 63 hours a week with a staff of 6.5 FTEs at a cost of $90 per resident per year. Each month, 10,000 people, that's about 330 people a day, visit the library, borrow 8,000 items, and ask 800 reference questions. Each month, 1,800 people use the internet stations, and around 2,500 use the library's Wi-Fi. 1200 asked for computer internet assistance. 64% of Sausalito residents have library cards. That's about 4,861 people. |
| 00:27:24.38 | Carolyn Ford | Good. |
| 00:27:30.27 | Mary Richardson | It's clear the community values and supports its library. In 2010, the Library Foundation funded a $45,000 children's services grant. In 2011, the Library Foundation funded a $30,000 space needs assessment. In 2010, the Friends of the Library contributed $53,000 toward a $64,200 book budget In addition to funding a $6,500 wish list, In 2011, The friends contributed $16,000 toward a $79,000 book budget, in addition to funding an $11,000 wish list. I should note that neither the Friends nor the Foundation contributions are meant to supplant the library's publicly funded operating budget. While the firms have contributed substantially toward the book budget, in the previous years, they are no longer in the position to continue this kind of support and are hoping to, in 2012, this becoming fiscal year, return to supporting the library's annual wish list of supplemental programs and services. |
| 00:28:41.28 | Mary Richardson | Next to funding, adequate space is one of the library's biggest challenges. That is why the library trustees applied for and received a grant from the Facilite Library Foundation to do a space needs assessment. The Space Needs Assessment began in July 2010 with the final report due by the end of this month. Staff, trustees, and the community participated in the process. The report is going to be in two parts. One is going to assess the current and future library space needs, and the other part will be to develop new layout plan for the existing library space that maximizes and modernizes the current space. while plans for a new space are being considered. |
| 00:29:36.51 | Mary Richardson | The Vibra Foundation has also helped improve children's services. In July 2011, the library completed a year-long grant to improve and expand children's services It was welcomed by many toddlers and their caregivers. Children's programs were expanded, toddler time for zero to three-year-olds, and special programs for families were added, and continued funding for them has been picked up by the Friends. New furniture, books, audiovisual materials, puzzles, room decorations, blocks and floor cushions for story time, and special children's library cards were purchased. The library's summer reading program was expanded and improved and enjoyed a higher level of participation. newborn packets were created and distributed at library programs and within the library. They included information on the importance of reading to preschoolers, as well as other pertinent information for parents. Parents appreciated the special welcome from the library to them and to their infants. |
| 00:30:40.12 | Mary Richardson | The library is keeping up to date with new technology whenever possible. The latest feature is a new Donate to Your Library feature which was just enabled on the opening page of our library's catalog, patrons can choose their favorite library and its support organizations such as the Friends or the Foundation and then make a donation using PayPal. and I'm proud to say that Sausalito was the first library to be donated to. the donor said that if it succeeded, which it did, he would make donations every month. He'd donate to the Library Foundation. of all the libraries you were in. The UNIT continues to add to its collection of over 12,000 downloadable digital and audio books, Through new mobile applications for smartphones, patrons can now search the Miramette catalog, place holds, access databases, and download digital and audio books all on their smartphones. Maramit is in the process of implementing an improved search feature that enables patrons to search the catalog and other databases simultaneously. A What's New at the Library blog was created to feature new services, upcoming programs, and other items of interest in the library community. It can be accessed from the library's homepage. |
| 00:32:00.81 | Mary Richardson | We've had and will be having some staffing changes in the library. In May 2010, a children's librarian, Aaron Wilson, was hired to fill the librarian position vacated when Marissa Bowen retired. In addition to planning children's programs and developing the children's collection, She also provides reference assistance for both children and adults. Since the children's librarian was hired, Children's materials circulation has increased by 25%. and the children's program attendance has doubled. Outreach to local elementary schools began in February. The other change is that after 32 years with the South Saloon Public Library, I will be retiring this summer. Recruitment for the new city librarian is underway. And I'm sure the transition will go smoothly and the new librarian will usher in a new era of even better library services. |
| 00:32:53.92 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:32:53.93 | Mary Richardson | Thank you. |
| 00:32:54.07 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:32:54.10 | Mary Richardson | you |
| 00:32:54.15 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:32:55.42 | Mary Richardson | Any questions? |
| 00:32:57.28 | Herb Weiner | Would that recruit be Mary Richardson? No. Well. |
| 00:33:00.65 | Mary Richardson | Bye. |
| 00:33:00.90 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 00:33:02.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:04.09 | Jonathan Leone | Mary, can you talk a little more about the progress and maybe without naming dates, kind of how you see it unfolding for trying to expand the library and how that's going? Thank you. |
| 00:33:15.63 | Mary Richardson | Well, that has a lot to do with money and available space, I think. |
| 00:33:15.74 | Jonathan Leone | That has a lot of fun. |
| 00:33:21.54 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. And that's why |
| 00:33:23.13 | Mary Richardson | And that's why we're really thinking about doing |
| 00:33:24.38 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:33:25.29 | Mary Richardson | Oh God. the layout plan for the existing space first. We figure what we get least to is we have the existing space and there's a lot of things we can do to improve it. But it's not the be all end all. Because I'll give you a hint, what we need is twice as much space. |
| 00:33:37.86 | Carolyn Ford | All right. Oh. |
| 00:33:44.34 | Mary Richardson | Do you know of any space around that we could use? |
| 00:33:48.37 | Herb Weiner | Do we have any space on the roof up there? |
| 00:33:48.93 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:33:50.57 | Mary Richardson | Thank you. Oh, we've thought of everything over the years. We've thought of expanding into the storage area and down and up and nothing so far. So in terms of timeline, it's hard to come up with a timeline after we do the layout, rearrange, you know, move the furniture around the existing space because so much will depend on what comes available. |
| 00:34:13.77 | Herb Weiner | All right. Thank you, Council Member Ford. |
| 00:34:16.97 | Carolyn Ford | Mary, when do you plan or do you plan to come back to the council with a synopsis of the report that you've committed? As soon as I get it. |
| 00:34:24.74 | Mary Richardson | As soon as I get it. |
| 00:34:26.26 | Carolyn Ford | Oh, yes. Which is in the next April. |
| 00:34:27.20 | Mary Richardson | which is in the next April, March or April. |
| 00:34:29.48 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, great. Marjorie. Thank you. It will be interesting. |
| 00:34:33.51 | Mary Richardson | Yeah. |
| 00:34:35.44 | Unknown | I, |
| 00:34:35.66 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:34:36.30 | Carolyn Ford | Well, thank you for the great job that you've done. I'm sorry to hear that you're going, but I understand. You're an institution here. The clock on the wall says, |
| 00:34:37.04 | Unknown | Great job. |
| 00:34:37.99 | Mary Richardson | Yeah. |
| 00:34:38.10 | Unknown | you |
| 00:34:38.17 | Mary Richardson | You can. |
| 00:34:41.80 | Mary Richardson | You're an institution. It's time for me to go. |
| 00:34:45.29 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 00:34:45.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Mary, you, I, I, Mr. Mayor, may I make a comment? |
| 00:34:47.18 | Unknown | Mary. |
| 00:34:50.22 | Herb Weiner | Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 00:34:51.70 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Mary. continue to amaze me I was briefly the liaison to the library group and I was just so amazed with everything you were working on and the great cohesion of the group there. And I just know that when I see this vision and all the accomplishments up here, I just see a tremendous legacy that is going to continue and continue. I hope so. |
| 00:35:16.19 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:35:16.29 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much. Great job, Mary. Thank you. |
| 00:35:16.93 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:35:16.97 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Great job, Larry. Thank you very, very much. |
| 00:35:25.79 | Herb Weiner | Any comments from the public? you |
| 00:35:28.04 | Peter Van Meter | That was a great report, and as someone who reads all my books right here on the iPhone and was reading one on the plane from Denver today, it would be a great service if this, I just heard about this, renting books you can download. If we had a notification to the city's email system of how to do that, what the procedure is, and what the link is, that'd be a great public service. We can just click on that and start getting books. Love it. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. |
| 00:36:02.16 | Mary Richardson | Thank you. You can go stick to the library's web page, Thank you. |
| 00:36:08.82 | Herb Weiner | Bye. . That's the way to get him in, Mary. Any other comment from the public? |
| 00:36:11.24 | Unknown | That's the way to get him in, Mary. |
| 00:36:12.38 | Carolyn Ford | I'm not. |
| 00:36:12.74 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:36:12.80 | Carolyn Ford | I'm sorry. |
| 00:36:12.97 | Unknown | Bye. Bye. |
| 00:36:18.81 | Michael Rex | Thank you very much. |
| 00:36:19.39 | Herb Weiner | Thank you very much, Mary. The next item that we have on our agenda is the... |
| 00:36:19.45 | Michael Rex | . |
| 00:36:25.97 | Herb Weiner | The report on the Marinship Business and Land Use Inventory And that would be Lily. And by the way, Lily, happy birthday. Happy birthday. You. Happy birthday. |
| 00:36:33.02 | Unknown | Happy birthday, you. Happy birthday. Thank you. |
| 00:36:37.85 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:37:05.68 | Lily | So thank you, Mr. Mayor, council members. Tonight I'm going to be giving a report on the Marinship Business and Land Use Inventory that was conducted at the end of last year through the beginning of this year. |
| 00:37:21.96 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:37:30.95 | Lily | So this item was identified on the City Council's 2010 through 2011 priority calendar as a high priority task. To complete this task, the Planning Division conducted an on-the-ground survey between October of 2010 and January of 2011. And the first step with this survey was field work, which is conducted by Planning intern Albert Corners. First, an Excel spreadsheet was created using the Marin County Assessor's address information for each parcel in the MarinShip area. Then the planning in turn went into the marine ship to conduct the survey on foot. For the smaller buildings, Mr. Corners noted the name and business type associated with each address. And he usually collected this information by noting the tenant's name and then having a brief conversation with the tenant about the type of business that they conduct at that address. For the larger buildings with multiple tenant spaces, he made efforts to have initial contact with the property manager to gain access to the site and then to inventory the businesses in that location. When the property manager was not available or site access was not granted, Mr. Corners scheduled a one-on-one interview or had communication with the property managers via email or fax to ascertain the current business makeup of each of the tenant spaces in the building. We didn't manage to connect with all management to conduct the survey fully for several reasons. One, some managers weren't available, some didn't want to participate in the survey, and there were some that didn't respond to setting up an appointment. In these cases, when access wasn't granted, the name and type of business could not be ascertained, or it couldn't be verified. |
| 00:39:22.77 | Lily | Next, in order to determine the type of land use that was associated with each business, a cross-check of the Planning Division's occupational use permit records was initiated. Using these occupational use permits, staff noted the type of use that the business was approved for on the permit. In some cases, the city's files are missing or misfiled, and additionally, some of the businesses that are located in the Marinship have been there prior to our requirement for occupational use permits. So for these businesses, which we were unsure if occupational use permits had been approved and they've been misfiled, we use the Marinship specific land definitions to identify the land use associated with each of the businesses. that are out there on the ground. Then a copy of all the data that was collected for each parcel was sent to both the property owners and the property managers for each building. And the data detailed the business name and the business type collected during the field work and then the type of occupational use permit that was noted to be on file if it was on file. The cover letter that was sent to the property owners invited a review of the data to verify the information. And property owners and managers representing about 25 buildings did contact staff to revise some of the data that was collected. and staff then collected the data and compiled the report. |
| 00:40:56.63 | Lily | So the survey identified 96 buildings and 835 addresses with a broad range of land uses and business types. Due to the occurrence of some tenants in multiple spaces, there were a total of 797 tenant spaces that were identified. These tenant spaces are made up of a variety of offices, business uses, art studios, and government uses. The largest categories of land use identified in the Marin Shiff area were office, arts, and industrial uses. And a full listing of all the businesses and business types and uses is included in the Marineship Business and Land Use Report, which is a part of your staff report in the appendix. |
| 00:41:39.10 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:41:43.66 | Lily | So for the office uses, the Marinship Specific Plan specifies that office uses that existed at the time of the adoption of the specific plan in the 80s are allowed to remain as a grandfathered use. Of the total 797 individual businesses and tenants identified, 32% of them, or 258 spaces, were office uses. In order to better understand these office uses, staff broke down the offices into seven different categories. And overwhelmingly business office, which was a catch-all that wasn't financial office, legal office, medical office, private office, property management office, or research office was the overwhelming majority of the office types in the Marineship. |
| 00:42:33.18 | Lily | At 30% of the total uses that were identified in the marineship, the next most popular use type was arts uses. The marineship specific plan divides arts uses into four different categories. Fine arts, which are artists like potters, sculptors, writers, photographers, poets, were the most popular type of arts used in the marineship. Applied arts were the next, and applied arts are folks like architects, graphic designers, interior designers. Then there were also some industrial artists like cabinet makers, woodworkers, metal fabricators, and then a handful of marine artists like boat builders and marine carpentry. |
| 00:43:16.55 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. you |
| 00:43:19.86 | Lily | At 12% of the total marine ship uses, the third most popular use type was industrial uses. The marine ship specific plan divides industrial uses into two different categories, general industrial and marine industrial. The inventory found that out of all the industrial uses, general industrial was the most popular use type. And these are uses like light manufacturing, assembly, repair, and warehousing. There are also a handful of marine industrial uses. And these are uses like marine industrial boat building and maintenance, marine welding, and fabrication. |
| 00:44:01.90 | Lily | The survey found that about 10% of the tenant suites or storefronts were vacant, and this was a total of 77 spaces. We also found that 3% of the uses identified were storage uses and storage other than warehousing, like personal storage or accessory storage. Almost 3% of the uses were marine commercial services, and these are uses like bait and tackle shops, boat charters, marine electronic sales service and repair. About 1% of the uses were business commercial services, which are uses like art and business supply businesses and blueprint and photo stat facilities. Additionally, there were 12 restaurants, six fitness studios, four veterinary clinics, and four nurseries identified in the Marinship. There were a number of federal government uses, like the Postal Service, the Bay Model, and Army Corps of Engineers. Lastly, there were 13 spaces that we were unable to identify because we weren't able to contact the property managers or the use was inside the building. We weren't able to determine what it was. |
| 00:45:11.35 | Lily | And that concludes our report. Our recommendation is to review and accept the report and we're available for any questions. |
| 00:45:18.17 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:45:21.56 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Council Member Forge. |
| 00:45:22.73 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 00:45:22.74 | Carolyn Ford | Council member Forge. Thank you. I have two questions actually. The 13 spaces that are undetermined, is staff following up on those? |
| 00:45:35.54 | Lily | The report right now is in a draft form, so if the direction is to follow up, then we'll go ahead and do that. This was a snapshot of time from October through the beginning of this year. |
| 00:45:46.64 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, and I think it's... |
| 00:45:46.88 | Lily | So. |
| 00:45:49.44 | Carolyn Ford | It's a wonderful job that you have done. This is the most complete listing I have ever seen of the marine ship. But I would like to see staff follow up with the 13 spaces that are undetermined, just because I think we should know everything that's in the marine ship. And under marine services were shops such as canvas shops, diesel engine shops, those types of businesses included under the Marine Corps. you Thank you. businesses |
| 00:46:24.20 | Lily | I would have to go back and take a look at the definition for Marine Commercial Services. Is that what you're looking at? Yes. Yeah, I'd have to go back and take a look at the specific definition. I don't know it off the top of my head. |
| 00:46:28.78 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. Yes. |
| 00:46:33.84 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, because I think those types are primarily used by the voting industry and probably should be included in the marine services. Thank you. |
| 00:46:46.65 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:46:46.78 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:46:48.77 | Herb Weiner | Any other questions? |
| 00:46:49.70 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, I'm just curious. Is there any comparison data from the future survey? |
| 00:46:56.50 | Lily | Can you repeat the question? Sorry. |
| 00:46:58.39 | Jonathan Leone | Is there any comparison data from the past survey? From the past survey. That makes sense. I said future. |
| 00:47:01.84 | Lily | from the past service. I've said future, I may point. |
| 00:47:04.92 | Jonathan Leone | pass through it |
| 00:47:06.24 | Lily | Not that I'm aware of. |
| 00:47:08.47 | Jonathan Leone | I too would think that we're light on the marine, not on the marine industrial but marine retail for example. What's the name of that? Yeah. West Marine. Yeah. West Marine. Yeah. You've only got three retail spaces in the marine ship and I can count three by just counting them and FedEx and a couple of others. So what constituted retail? |
| 00:47:20.04 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:47:20.09 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 00:47:20.89 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:47:20.90 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:47:20.97 | Herb Weiner | West Marine. |
| 00:47:22.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:47:22.81 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:47:22.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:47:30.71 | Unknown | No, we'll... |
| 00:47:37.63 | Lily | It was anything that wasn't defined as a It wasn't given definition in the Marinership specific plan, so it was just some sort of other retail that wasn't defined. That's how we came up with the retail. |
| 00:47:50.10 | Jonathan Leone | Okay, yeah, because there's retail in the clipper side next to fish or some retail in there. |
| 00:47:56.36 | Lily | I think a lot of those got categorized in a definition that's in the Marinship Specific Plan. So the retail that's in the report is just other retail that's not given a definition in the MSP. |
| 00:48:02.05 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. That's done. Thank you. I'd be curious to know how many. There was a report in the IJ three, four, five years ago, I think, that said that Sausalito had 29 marine-oriented businesses in the marine ship. They were comparing that to a dearth of other places in the county. But I'd be interested in knowing what the whole marine picture looks like. Yeah. |
| 00:48:31.32 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:48:35.05 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 00:48:35.80 | Jonathan Leone | So maybe to pull out from some of these, like did some of the marine businesses end up in business categories or other categories where if you really examine them they're specifically marine or anything? |
| 00:48:48.59 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:48:49.89 | Jonathan Leone | important to know. But otherwise, it's a great report. And by the way, it is the most comprehensive thing I've ever seen in the entrepreneurship. Yes. Bar none. It's great. |
| 00:48:57.04 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:49:04.36 | Carolyn Ford | And one intern did this. |
| 00:49:07.74 | Lily | Yeah, we had a volunteer intern help us out with this. He did a great job. |
| 00:49:08.28 | Carolyn Ford | I know. |
| 00:49:11.99 | Carolyn Ford | Great. Yes, he did. He ran after this. |
| 00:49:15.50 | Lily | Yes. |
| 00:49:15.55 | Carolyn Ford | He left? No, no, he's still down there. |
| 00:49:15.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:49:16.09 | Lily | What? |
| 00:49:16.30 | Herb Weiner | No, no, he's still down there. I think he took up residency there. |
| 00:49:19.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:19.97 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:49:20.02 | Unknown | I think he took up See you. |
| 00:49:21.53 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:49:21.58 | Unknown | Yeah. . |
| 00:49:23.23 | Herb Weiner | Lily, thank you very, very much. |
| 00:49:24.29 | Unknown | Thank you very much. |
| 00:49:26.34 | Herb Weiner | At this time, you have any public comment on that? Hmm. Why don't you sit up in the front? |
| 00:49:36.44 | Peter Van Meter | Peter Van Meter, on your April 5th agenda, you will be getting a copy of the retail survey report among other issues of content from your business advisory committee. And that does include a listing of opinion of those researchers on retail businesses in the Marinship. So you will be getting that report that will supplement what you just received tonight, which is an excellent effort. Thank you. |
| 00:49:59.29 | Jonathan Leone | Great. |
| 00:50:00.47 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Peter. Any other comments? |
| 00:50:04.17 | Peter Van Meter | Okay. |
| 00:50:05.49 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 00:50:05.97 | Jonathan Leone | I don't know. |
| 00:50:08.29 | Herb Weiner | Dorothy. |
| 00:50:13.82 | Dorothy Gibson | since I was on the planning commission at the time we grew up with... |
| 00:50:16.45 | Herb Weiner | Dr. Gibson. |
| 00:50:17.84 | Dorothy Gibson | I'm sorry, Dorothy Gibson on Johnson Street. What about the extent of land use for each one of these areas? |
| 00:50:26.88 | Linda Pfeifer | I was just gonna ask. |
| 00:50:27.78 | Dorothy Gibson | And what about did the committee consider boats, boat storage, boat repair, which goes in and out with the land? |
| 00:50:44.53 | Carolyn Ford | I really like them. |
| 00:50:46.22 | Herb Weiner | Anybody? Any? Lily, you want to comment on that? |
| 00:50:47.50 | Unknown | Lily. |
| 00:50:47.98 | Carolyn Ford | You want to come? |
| 00:50:54.10 | Lily | I missed part of your question. I heard at the end of it that did we consider boat storage prepare? |
| 00:51:00.90 | Jonathan Leone | Well, first was land use by category. In other words, how much land is being by size and category. |
| 00:51:01.97 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:51:03.82 | Lily | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 00:51:04.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:04.36 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 00:51:07.97 | Lily | Yeah, we didn't look at the land area. That didn't factor into the report. Boat storage and repair, those are definitely in a category in the Marinship-specific plan. So those were a part of this report. |
| 00:51:22.43 | Jonathan Leone | Okay, and those would then necessarily fall out into the marine category if we pulled together a larger... |
| 00:51:27.30 | Lily | They... They would be in a marine category. |
| 00:51:32.21 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:51:33.03 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 00:51:33.27 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:51:33.29 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Other than that, any other public comment? We move to accept this report. |
| 00:51:45.79 | Jonathan Leone | I move we accept the report. |
| 00:51:48.22 | Herb Weiner | seconds. |
| 00:51:48.69 | Jonathan Leone | Second. |
| 00:51:49.77 | Herb Weiner | All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Thank you, Louis. Thank you. |
| 00:51:50.94 | Jonathan Leone | I... |
| 00:51:54.46 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Good report. Absolutely. Thank you. |
| 00:51:55.48 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Absolutely. |
| 00:51:56.42 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:51:59.39 | Herb Weiner | Next item on the agenda is the professional services agreement for the design development for the downtown public restrooms replacement. |
| 00:52:10.39 | Jonathon Goldman | project. |
| 00:52:10.92 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:52:11.63 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council, staff, members of the community. Jonathan Goldman, your Public Works Director. This is item 60 in your package. I won't read the entire staff report, but just kind of remind you of the last episode of this particular conversation. |
| 00:52:35.67 | Carolyn Ford | Uh, Interesting choice of it. |
| 00:52:37.99 | Jonathon Goldman | The staff had originally been directed, this is April 21, 2009, directed to separate remodeling of the downtown public restrooms from an accessibility improvements project that was being developed. including Plaza Viña del Mar. Um, The staff returned to council after having solicited a proposal from one design firm, a firm that had been working in that area previously. And the, again, the short version is that this issue has been before the council several times at the last council meeting, which was in November. Council directed staff to either open the competition back up or go back to the two firms that had been hanging with us to that point in the process to try to give us a lump sum apples to apples comparison to allow Council to make a decision about where to go with the design process. and directed that the budget, the lump sum, be $35,000. After some deliberation, I elected to restrict the project solicitation to those two firms that had responded to the October 2010 request who had hung with us this long. I thought that it wouldn't really be fair to either of those firms to open it up any further even though other firms had expressed interest. I issued a request for a revised proposal based on a lump sum fixed fee of $30,000 and required the following project elements. This is in the staff report, but just for the benefit of the audience and people at home, I think it's worth reiterating. Um, one design team coordination meeting, all the necessary site analysis studies including accessibility one public workshop or presentation, One building design conceptual plan One site design conceptual plan including landforms and landscape masses a preliminary schematic design plan and elevation, architectural, site schematic design plans, identification of key engineering issues, including foundation, water, sewer, electrical and storm drainage, three-dimensional presentation sketch rendering of the building and of the site, and then an 11 by 17 presentation booklet for the project. We received responses from the two firms. We have one page from Royston Hanamoto, Ali and Abby, that is in your package as page seven. and then Following that, beginning on page nine. |
| 00:55:55.56 | Jonathon Goldman | through page 21 is the response to that particular solicitation that we received from Michael Rex and Associates. The other documents that are appended to your staff report are the previous proposals. They were provided just for information and for context. I realized that that might have been a little bit confusing, so I apologize for that. jumping up to the PowerPoint here which I did not reproduce and distribute but I'm happy to the summary of the situation is The old restrooms are bad. very bad. they're not accessible. They're difficult to maintain, and they are undersized. New restrooms. Good. |
| 00:56:48.63 | Jonathon Goldman | compliance with the Lieber versus Sausalito settlement, which you may all recall. They're good in enhancing the downtown experience for guests, customers, tourists, residents with convenience and beautification. And it gives us an opportunity to replace tilted and unsightly sidewalk sections. Process wise, it's not a project that staff has the resources internally, the time and the expertise to do, and therefore, in my judgment, we need to retain a design consultant. As I indicated a minute ago, we have two local firms that are proposed to assist the city. Both at this point have essentially apples to apples proposals, $30,000 lump sum, $30,000 design fees, some expenses not included. So the recommendation I made in the staff report is to authorize a budget of $32,000, which is below the level that council directed that we work in. And in my opinion, one firm has superior demonstrated experience developing consensus with adjoining projects. And this is just an example of the work that that other firm has done, or that that firm has done. Just to remind you, Royston Hanamoto was responsible for the approved designs for the non-motorized transportation pilot project, Bridgeway to Ferry Landing, which as soon as Caltrans gives us the go-ahead, we will be inviting bids for construction of improvements along Bay Street and Anchor Street. Our project site is right here adjacent to those areas of work. Next steps. We're here before you this evening to request that you award a design development contract. The first task that the consultant would perform after we have the contracts executed and kick off the work is that that coordination meeting that they proposed would take place. They proposed to do it with city staff, but certainly council has the authority and in fact the opportunity to identify others that you would like to participate in that process. At my suggestion, based on questions that have come up on this issue recently, we would like to ask the consultant and that group, that coordination group, to develop plans for temporary facilities for use this summer in the taking into account even the possibility of prefabricated or other facilities, and demolish the old restroom. That would require some approvals, but given the conditions that we have and the fact that I think realistically it's going to take us two years to deliver a permanent solution, that's something that I'm recommending that council consider. The consultant would then conduct a public workshop or presentation. Again, no reason not to include the possibility of prefabricated or modular structures as part of that process. that's only a part of the project. the entire site and the accessibility improvements to allow people to equitably access and egress from the restroom, but the building itself could easily be a prefabricated alternative. This is just a reiteration of what the consultant would do as identified in the current scope, the lump sum scope. Assuming we get that approval this evening, We tentatively expect that we could run that process and return to council for approval the conceptual design June 7th at your meeting. We would then ask Council to amend the contract, assuming that that conceptual design was approved, to go to construction documents, environmental and permitting. That would then as soon as possible, in parallel if possible, be submitted for design review and planning review. as a public enhancement project. assuming we're expeditious in acquiring our design review and other discretionary approvals. We anticipate being able to invite bids in early 2012 for 2012-13 construction. Just thought I'd provide some examples of prefabricated restrooms based on information available. Mike Langford attended an event where there were some vendors demonstrating their facilities, and this kind of equipment is, or this information is available on the web. This RomTech firm is one that I'm familiar with. They're a GSA contractor. In one of my former jobs, we acquired a prefabricated wastewater lift station from RomTech. Fiscal impacts, full cost for design and delivery of the item in the budget isn't really known at the moment. However, I think we can expect construction costs to be in the $200 per square foot range for this structure, maybe less depending upon what we can make work and what kinds of design criteria apply. The site work necessary will depend upon grades and alignments as well as hardscape costs. We recommend that the The coordination meeting with the consultant at the early stage identify and continue to develop a project budget as part of that phase so that we don't have to wait to talk details when it comes to coming to Council for final approval. Our adopted general capital projects budget includes more than $805,000 available unencumbered as of March 14th. for design and construction work for this combined Viña Del Mar, Lot 2, Downtown Bathrooms, ADA Improvements Project. you New restrooms, good. Questions of staff. public comment and then recommend that you adopt a resolution. Yes, sir. Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Mayor, I'm available for questions. |
| 01:03:28.52 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. I'm available for questions. Vice Mayor Kelly. |
| 01:03:32.18 | Jonathan Leone | if the first phase culminates in a schematic design, The second phase would logically, as these things are off a diagram, become the design development phase. Then the third phase would be the construction dock and building phase. If $30,000 is the first cost, what do we anticipate for the other two costs from your preferential |
| 01:04:03.31 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. at the risk of sounding evasive, it's going to depend on the, site details and the viability of the architectural design for the structure itself. I can go back to some of the prefabricated structures. If the community is predisposed to accept modular prefabricated structures along the lines that are easily available, I think that the design costs will essentially be limited to the site. On the other hand, if the standards are different or higher or more challenging, then those costs are going to go up. |
| 01:05:11.08 | Jonathon Goldman | I really don't have a basis for agreeing or disagreeing. You have a lot of experience with private development projects. Our experience with the public safety facilities, which is probably an extreme example, I think that might be an underestimate. But I don't think that |
| 01:05:22.62 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:05:36.26 | Jonathon Goldman | that prejudging that at this point is productive. |
| 01:05:41.80 | Jonathan Leone | I'm... I'm worried about Mission Creek, as they say. and conservative defense, the original |
| 01:05:53.71 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, I'm glad you raised that question. That wasn't because I think Royston Hanamoto was asked to design a project that was, you know, a multimillion-dollar project. I think what they were attempting to do was to respond to a somewhat ambiguous request for proposals without having direction from you as to what was desired. |
| 01:05:53.91 | Jonathan Leone | I'm not sure what the club's in it is. |
| 01:06:02.42 | Carolyn Ford | So... |
| 01:06:24.02 | Jonathon Goldman | and I take responsibility for that. On the other hand, Um, What? we were attempting to do at that time was to deliver a set of restrooms as quickly as possible. And we're way behind the curve on that. |
| 01:06:43.51 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:06:44.60 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:06:44.62 | Herb Weiner | Council Member Ford. |
| 01:06:45.68 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, I have just a couple questions. These two bids that we have, the two firms we're looking at are miles apart in terms of the monies for the overall project as we saw the last time. So not knowing what the costs are going forward. I think in my mind we need to look at other bidders. Were there any other bidders on this project? We need to bring them in so that we know get a better feel for what the costs are. |
| 01:07:25.39 | Jonathon Goldman | There have been no new bidders since the um, the iteration where it was opened up to Royston Hanamoto, Michael Rex, and members of the Sausalito Chamber of Commerce. Only Royston Hanamoto and Michael Rex responded. I was given the discretion to determine whether this particular iteration, which is a lump sum, we don't know what the design is going to be, just tell us what we get for $30,000, whether to open that up or not, and I did not open it up. I left it with those two firms. |
| 01:08:00.84 | Carolyn Ford | I love it. Okay. |
| 01:08:03.53 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. And just, I'm sorry, but |
| 01:08:04.32 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. Bye. Yeah. |
| 01:08:10.33 | Jonathon Goldman | When you say the two firms are miles apart, I think you're misunderstanding. |
| 01:08:10.99 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:08:17.72 | Jonathon Goldman | neither firm had clear direction on what was being designed. And so I think it's a mistake, and one of the reasons that, as I alluded to a minute ago, one of the reasons that I'm accountable for the ambiguity in the original RFP and the reason or contributing factor in us having still working on this issue after essentially a year is that Um, Both firms were attempting to address that ambiguity. And they're not comparable. What needs to happen is we need clear direction on what the project is. And I believe that the council's intent with its last direction was, look, $30,000, $35,000. We want some creativity. We want to look at a process that involves developing consensus. But you're not spending another dime until we come back and can agree on what is being designed and with some information about what that project would cost to construct, |
| 01:08:57.60 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:09:21.91 | Jonathon Goldman | we're then in a position to make an informed decision about whether to go further with it or not. |
| 01:09:25.71 | Carolyn Ford | Well, I think then that we may have an issue with our giving that direction because not knowing what the cost is going to be for the entire project is an issue. I agree with Councilmember Kelley. when he says there's a real chance of Project Crete with that and we have no idea so I think we need to go back to the drawing board on this but this is question time and I'm commenting so I apologize I'll be quiet you Mm-hmm. |
| 01:09:57.70 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:10:01.18 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, so... What you're saying, Jonathan, is that we need to spend this $32,000 in order to understand how much this is going to cost and what the specs should be? Or not. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
| 01:10:16.87 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. No. What I'm saying is that without the designer and the design development process, |
| 01:10:20.06 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm sick. |
| 01:10:25.82 | Jonathon Goldman | the problem is completely unconstrained. It's constrained only by the site. We know that the aerial extent of the project can't go beyond that particular piece of the parcel that Lot 2 is on. Until we have some constraints, some creative process, some evaluation of the geotechnical conditions, some evaluation of the sewer, the size of the sewer, the condition of the sewer, the grades that allow us to identify how we can construct accessible access to and egress from the structure, we can't accurately estimate the cost. |
| 01:11:10.84 | Linda Pfeifer | So I guess then the question I just asked you then was to understand the outcome of this 30K that you're proposing we spend is not necessarily going to be, how much this project would cost. |
| 01:11:31.41 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm not sure I understand you. Well, I think the question. The outcome of the 30K would be a concept that the council gets to weigh in on whether they want |
| 01:11:33.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, I think the question- |
| 01:11:44.86 | Jonathon Goldman | that project or not. and enough information at that point to allow the designer to estimate what the site development and construction costs for the project. Thank you. |
| 01:11:56.88 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:11:57.69 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 01:11:57.77 | Linda Pfeifer | So we would get an estimate of construction costs than Assuming we went along with what was the outcome, what was presented to us after spending that $30,000. |
| 01:12:02.98 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. |
| 01:12:12.10 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, now that staff may have to prepare that estimate based on what the consultants have produced, but yes, the answer is yes. |
| 01:12:23.15 | Herb Weiner | Just a question. When you said to be finished in 2013, is that before the summer of 2013? |
| 01:12:35.06 | Herb Weiner | I don't know, to be honest. |
| 01:12:36.97 | Jonathon Goldman | I would love to be able to say yes. Okay. Council Member Ford. |
| 01:12:39.99 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:12:40.02 | Herb Weiner | You know where I'm going. |
| 01:12:40.97 | Unknown | I would love to. |
| 01:12:45.54 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:12:46.35 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:12:46.42 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, one more question. The idea of temporary bathrooms, I can see this causing the project to go up in cost as well. And I'm wondering if staff has looked at public restrooms that may be along the waterfront that may have been required by BCDC, such as the Horizons bathroom, that public bathroom, and the possibility of perhaps asking our business community to open their facilities publicly so that we don't have to spend a whole lot of design and expense on the temporary. Just a thought. you |
| 01:13:38.95 | Herb Weiner | questions. |
| 01:13:40.56 | Jonathon Goldman | Staff had not thought of that, and I will be happy to work on any set of alternatives for providing temporary and permanent restrooms, especially if council is so kind and gracious as to award a contract this evening. |
| 01:13:49.67 | Carolyn Ford | FOR BOSS. |
| 01:14:00.40 | Carolyn Ford | Ha! Thank you. |
| 01:14:05.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:05.46 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:14:05.95 | Unknown | I have a question, Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:14:06.26 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:14:08.72 | Linda Pfeifer | I have a question, Mr. Mayor. I have a question, Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:14:11.81 | Unknown | Yeah. Do you have a question, Mr. Mayor? Me too. |
| 01:14:15.60 | Linda Pfeifer | So I was just wondering, you refer to both of these architects as local, and that's, so Royston Hamamoto with Sausalito? |
| 01:14:28.16 | Jonathon Goldman | No, Mill Valley. |
| 01:14:29.36 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, so when I see local, I'm thinking Sausalito. Just for the record? |
| 01:14:35.72 | Jonathon Goldman | I understand. Thank you. |
| 01:14:38.22 | Herb Weiner | Okay, any other questions from Council? Thank you, Jonathan. Any comments from the public? Told you you should have sat up in the front row. |
| 01:14:39.95 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 01:14:40.21 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:14:40.33 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:14:49.84 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:14:50.76 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:14:50.81 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 01:14:50.84 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:14:50.99 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 01:14:51.30 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:14:51.80 | Peter Van Meter | stretching your legs after a long flight. PETER VAN METER, Cloud View Circle. The assumption that I have here is that equal skills and qualifications, professional qualifications, apply to year two bidders. So given that, I'm here to speak in favor of your engaging Michael Reck Associates for this project. Mr. Rex and his company have a long history of dedicated service, gratis many, many times, in fact, most of the time, or maybe all of the time, of service to the city of Sausalito. He's demonstrated his sensitivity to the public and interests of the people in this town repeatedly. I feel that he will bring forth a project that has cost effectiveness. I think in the early proposals with all the ambiguity, as I recall, he offered a much lower cost design services in that proposal. I think that one of his faults, perhaps, is delivering more than what he's paid for. |
| 01:15:40.47 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:15:40.54 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:15:40.55 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:15:53.75 | Peter Van Meter | So within his $30,000 budget on this project, I anticipate you're gonna get a level of service that's gonna extend you know, whatever the community needs are to come through with the design for this project. You may recall that in the Royston project that was cited earlier, the bridgeway to ferry terminal project. They had to be sent back, you know, redo that project. I think they showed that they hadn't demonstrated an awareness of community interest in that project before the final design came through. I don't think you're going to see that kind of problem if you engage Michael Rex and associates for this project. And I strongly urge you to take that approach. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. |
| 01:16:38.01 | Michael Rex | Hi, I'm Michael Rackson. I didn't put Peter up to that. |
| 01:16:40.48 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:16:40.49 | Jonathan Leone | I'm painting. |
| 01:16:42.03 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:16:42.15 | Michael Rex | I wanted to comment on some of the questions that came up, but first I wanted to thank Jonathan for working hard to continue to try to get this project off the ground and do it well. Also, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to open it up to the board. |
| 01:16:46.27 | Jonathan Leone | Amen. |
| 01:17:00.56 | Michael Rex | give local firms, local meaning so aslito firms an opportunity to put their hat in the ring. I really appreciate that. I actually understand Jonathan's recommendation to put together conceptual design first. because, uh, Without that, you really have no direction. And without any idea of what the solutions are, it's very hard to establish costs. It's just all unknown. So what Jonathan's doing to make sense to me is to just take one simple moment to put a concept together, get input from the public and the city, and see what comes out of that. And then you'll have much more information to define a direction that's clear. And when you have a clear direction, you can establish more likely construction costs. You could also then establish more probable design fees and those costs. There's just simply too many unknowns right now to pin those important answers down. I also saw for the first time tonight the suggestion that This concept could be brought back to you for your consideration by June 7th. That's too short of a time frame. We probably wouldn't get a signed contract for several weeks. You want to engage the public. There has to be an existing conditions assessment. and there needs to engage the public in a workshop process that takes noticing time. Oh, and then you've got to design it, and then you've got to document it and present it. Won't happen that soon, so it'd be nice, but it's too ambitious. Last thing I'd want to mention is This is a great opportunity to enhance an important corner of our downtown. First thing, I'd welcome the opportunity to work with the city and the public to develop something that really honors that site. And I know we have the experience and skill to do a great job for the town. And that's why I offer my services, because I have confidence we can do a good job. In way of comparison, RHAA is a fine firm, well-known, strong reputation. And it's true that as a landscape firm, they planned a bike path around lot four and curb cuts. But this project is much more than site work. It involves an important building, a small but important building. And it's not every day that this town undertakes building a new building downtown. And in this last statement, I think you need to realize that while RHAA is a firm from Mill Valley, They're contracting for an architectural firm out of San Mateo, a firm you don't know. But you know us. You know our work. We worked with the city before. We designed the senior center downstairs. We worked with the city on many other planning efforts. So we're a known entity, and we're two blocks from here. I'd like you to consider that when you make your decision. Thank you. |
| 01:20:14.05 | Linda Pfeifer | Michael, Mr. Mayor, may I ask Michael a question? So Michael, you said you felt that June 7th was too aggressive a time frame. So what would be your guesstimate of a more realistic kind of milestone for that first day? |
| 01:20:29.59 | Michael Rex | Well, it's taken six months to just decide who to hire. I think you should plan at least four months. And if that's the minimum, it could take longer. It might not be best to, well, you could have a budget, you can have a timeframe. I'd plan four months. |
| 01:20:44.49 | Herb Weiner | Like you have a budget, you can have a |
| 01:20:47.93 | Michael Rex | you Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:20:51.27 | Herb Weiner | Any other questions? Any questions from the public on this? Any comment from the public? |
| 01:20:58.26 | Jeff Scherrall | Thank you. |
| 01:21:04.20 | Jeff Scherrall | Jeff Scherrall, Spinnaker Restaurant, 100 Spinnaker Drive. I just want to reiterate just the dire need for restrooms downtown. We can't wait any longer. We really need to move forward on this. Has anyone here used the restroom recently? It's pretty bad. I mean, I say that and not in disrespect to anyone here, but if you've used the rest of them, you really realize how bad they are. |
| 01:21:20.67 | Todd Teachouts | Right. |
| 01:21:28.23 | Jeff Scherrall | I mean, just walking in and the smell, it's just horrific. And there's disrespect to you, Mr. Mayor, but they're worse than a gas station bathroom, I mean, in all honesty. So you know really how bad they are. |
| 01:21:37.32 | Carolyn Ford | I mean, |
| 01:21:38.35 | Unknown | Oh! |
| 01:21:38.44 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 01:21:38.64 | Unknown | honesty |
| 01:21:39.35 | Herb Weiner | So, |
| 01:21:40.72 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:21:41.09 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 01:21:41.14 | Unknown | So, I'm going to go. |
| 01:21:41.15 | Herb Weiner | How about All right. Well, there's a lot more gas that goes in over here. That's true. That is true. |
| 01:21:44.70 | Jeff Scherrall | That's true. |
| 01:21:45.29 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 01:21:45.31 | Jeff Scherrall | Thank you. |
| 01:21:45.41 | Carolyn Ford | I'm sorry. |
| 01:21:45.43 | Jeff Scherrall | That's |
| 01:21:45.97 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:21:45.98 | Jeff Scherrall | Yeah. Bye. But definitely something has to be done. Either portable restrooms brought in during construction or prior to construction would be a great alternative to move forward. But we really need to give Jonathan the ability to move forward with one of the design firms so we can continue the process before things fall down. So thank you. |
| 01:21:59.30 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:21:59.36 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:22:07.23 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Jeff. Hey, Yoshi. |
| 01:22:15.97 | Unknown | Yoshi told me again. When I'm here, I'm going to make you money. Make sure customer doesn't cry. |
| 01:22:21.71 | Carolyn Ford | . |
| 01:22:23.48 | Unknown | But the truth is, the chamber meeting, one of the most complain about the business is the bathroom. Last over five years. At the restaurant, it doesn't matter how wonderful food you serve, beautiful flowers, plate, food, smell good, wonderful, when you go to the bathroom. |
| 01:22:43.66 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:22:44.45 | Unknown | everybody come out like this, it doesn't serve. I believe that is one of the most shameful buildings standing in Sasriro. And we got so many companies to the chamber office, downtown people. Earlier we talked about it, hotels, how much collecting, TOT tax, how much business contributing. That's the situation that left here, how long, what it is. I don't know, I like to speak proper English, so I'm sorry. That sense the city of Saus Lilo known to take a democratic process to make a consensus business, residence, everybody else. Trying to make everybody agree with Might take the next two years or five years. I do not have any more patients to wait for five years. So my suggestion would be please make a temporary bathroom. Maybe sacrifice next to the BWA building, couple parking space somewhere else. Then we have time to talk about how beautiful building, how you can make. there is so many portable beautiful bathrooms available ASAP if we decide we can get right away. So I will urge to strongly suggest to get the temporary bathroom. right away then we can build everybody like to use the bathroom next hundred years. Now, I don't want to use the stinky bathroom anymore. |
| 01:24:17.89 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 01:24:18.36 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:24:18.41 | Unknown | Please. Thank you. |
| 01:24:18.45 | Jonathan Leone | free. |
| 01:24:19.85 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:24:19.88 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:24:21.03 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:24:21.08 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:24:21.15 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:24:21.23 | Unknown | Thank you, Yoshi. |
| 01:24:21.52 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:24:21.79 | Carolyn Ford | I'm going to go to the kitchen. |
| 01:24:21.97 | Herb Weiner | Good. |
| 01:24:25.33 | Herb Weiner | Any other public comment? I'll bring you back up here. |
| 01:24:31.63 | Jonathan Leone | Why don't you let me start? |
| 01:24:32.88 | Herb Weiner | Go ahead, base, mate Kelly. |
| 01:24:33.21 | Jonathan Leone | THE FAMILY. Thank you. Thank you. I spent a little bit of time on this this week. And after I went to the Business Advisory Committee meeting and then followed by the Hospitality Committee meeting and where I heard about the restroom in both meetings, and it dawned on me that we've got to move this thing along and maybe there's some alternative solutions that we can... we can look at or we can look at two time tracks as was just suggested as opposed to one. So I called. Mike Langford had been to a meeting and he had come back with some material and he gave me one of the contact points and so I called and I talked to a company in Oregon that manufactures what are for the most most part, for parks and national parks and so on, permanent facilities there, but they're more temporary in terms of the kind of thing that we might be talking about. And I got, for a two-restroom, ADA restroom kit, installed in place, all engineering and all we have to do is stub up electricity and sewers to the point and they take it from there, 60 grand, $60,000 installed. And if I ordered it on April 1st, I would have it no later than four months from that date, probably three and maybe even less than that. So I thought to myself, hmm. Well, then I looked at another. Somebody else sent me something else about a royal restrooms. And these are trailers that are brought in. The marketing piece was was from the White House. There was one parked across the street from the White House. A great marketing piece. And these are all decked out. They're meant mostly for, you know, large conventions or short meetings of a week or something in the city, something like the Oracle does in San Francisco, that kind of thing. But they can be longer, and they can be ADA. They have one that's ADA compliant. And they're a little not as nice, frankly, as the modular ones, the kits. In my view, they look more like a trailer on a truck or something. But they're fancy inside, and they're pretty cool. I didn't get a price on them, but I'm just going to guess that the price is probably $3,000 to $5,000 a month to rent them. So call it $4,000. And then I thought about that and I thought about our experience on the waterfront with the police modular buildings that we put there temporarily in order to at least from General Electric, I believe. And they temporarily stayed there for I think 18 years until we finally got our act together and got a police and fire building. And we paid a ton of money Over and over we could have bought those things and and save the city a lot of money in the process. So I looked at this and I said, well, if it took us a year to get this through all the various committees and the residents and, you know, HLB and the Planning Commission, kicked back a few times and redesigned and upfront time for design and all that, we could burn through a year in no time at all, and two would probably be, you know, a modest amount of time, but probably not enough. So two years of renting this would be basically $100,000. Can I borrow another minute? And so I thought, well, buying this modular kit at $60,000, putting it in is for us a temporary, and then we can go on our way to do just exactly what |
| 01:28:11.24 | Unknown | minute. |
| 01:28:23.10 | Jonathan Leone | stated a minute ago by Oshii, which is to start a process to get the ultimate design that we want to have. So I see this as a long-term need and a short-term need, and I'm thinking that some of our money would be well spent to get a solution downtown as fast as possible and get rid of this old building that is a stinky mess. I've been working on it since 2004, and I would like to see it go away tomorrow morning and a new building appear in a short period of time. Obviously, the new building would have to go through some process as well. So I'm going to make a proposal in a minute after everybody talks about how we might speed that process along from the councils using council help and perhaps someone from HLB and someone from the planning commission as an adjunct to try to help this process get along. |
| 01:29:13.76 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 01:29:15.60 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:29:15.62 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, so I agree that the situation downtown is pretty deplorable. I frequent downtown a lot, actually, and I use those bathrooms. My experience is that it's pretty bad and I mean, they need to be replaced. But I think that's a good question. We're on the right track in looking at proposals and getting this show on the road. But I think that if we, I am not prepared to spend $60,000. I just feel uncomfortable with $60,000 on a temporary solution. We also know temporary structures in Sausalito sometimes tend to stick around a little bit longer than we want them to. I'm also concerned about the aesthetics element. This is the heart of your life. tend to stick around a little bit longer than we want them to. I'm also concerned about the aesthetics element. This is the heart of downtown. And I think that if we were to move forward and get a timetable on this thing and get to boost the cleaning and the frequency of the cleaning in those bathrooms that I think we could last another year or so while we were getting the new design in place. My personal thought. |
| 01:30:51.03 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 01:30:51.21 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:30:53.39 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor, okay, and I have a couple of thoughts. I... I too wonder if cleaning those bathrooms might might solve the problem in keeping them clean and getting a deodorizer in there for a while, for a year, whatever it takes. But what I think we need to do as a council is to look at the money that we have in the budget And because we've got a budget for 800K or so, but that covers Vina del Mar, covers the ADA, and it covers the restrooms. We need to determine how much money we're planning to spend on those areas and we need to say, okay, we want a bathroom that's going to cost X amount of money. If that's $300,000, it's $300,000. Okay, then we look at design. Um... costs and we say all right design costs are approximately 15% of that $300,000 so let's get our proposals out and get our designer in here and get that designer hired. and move on with the project. We need to figure out how much money we have and then what the building can be downtown. And until we do that, I see that our public works department does have a real issue. And we tell them to just go get two. to, firms in here to give us a bid for 30,000 in design. And what we come back with is that, but it doesn't even cover the whole design process and it's 30,000 for documents that go up to the construction documents but do not include construction documents. And from what I... have learned about construction is that that's only about 40% of the actual design costs. If the remainder, the 60% of the design goes into construction documents as well as the oversight. So if we've got 30,000 here that we're spending right up front on a design Um, that only covers 40% of the design then we're spending way too much money, in my mind. So I think that we need to go back to the drawing board we need to get uh... yet are uh... act together in terms of our budget And we need to then decide this is how much we're going to spend and go out with our RFP so that our bidders know what they're bidding on, so that our public works officer knows what he's required to do. We haven't given staff the proper direction on this. |
| 01:33:49.89 | Unknown | . |
| 01:34:00.92 | Unknown | . |
| 01:34:01.97 | Herb Weiner | Well. |
| 01:34:03.01 | Carolyn Ford | And I additionally, if I do have 30 seconds left, I am concerned that we are looking at Royston-Honemoto |
| 01:34:07.49 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:34:07.54 | Herb Weiner | But we, |
| 01:34:07.98 | Carolyn Ford | I'm going to go. |
| 01:34:11.42 | Carolyn Ford | who is a landscaping architect to build this construction project. And what I see in that particular proposal is costs, oversight costs, on top of the architectural costs. And that to me is is not acceptable. We have 180, their initial bid was 186,000, and yes, we didn't give them all the proper information they needed, but 186,000 is way too much to spend on the design just the design for our bathrooms downtown. Is this going to be a multimillion dollar building? Yes. |
| 01:34:59.04 | Herb Weiner | Time's up. |
| 01:35:00.25 | Carolyn Ford | I'm not sure. |
| 01:35:00.83 | Carolyn Ford | Right. Interesting. |
| 01:35:02.85 | Herb Weiner | I look at a couple of things. I've been down working at every summer for the last three, four years. and it's embarrassing to send someone to their bathroom to tell you the truth. Look, it's not a want. This is a need. It's a horrible representation we have down there. And by the way, we have two... different firms that are vying for this. I met with Mike Langford and he showed me some of the modulars. I like the idea of a modular being there and knock down. Look, you could clean that thing every 10 minutes. and you're not going to get anywhere with it. It's still going to smell. It's still not going to be acceptable. When something gets all worn out, it's all worn out. I really feel, and I really even like the idea if we're going to spend that kind of money on a module, well, maybe we should kind of, when we're finished with it, maybe shift it over to Dunphy Park. where there is a need for that and we're hitting two birds with one stone. You cannot go through another two years of going through that bathroom. you It's an eyesore. It tells the business community that we don't give a damn. And I really think that we should go ahead tonight. Let's get some conceptual drawings there and then decide where we want to go. But to just keep on putting it back and putting it back, we'll be talking about this three, four years from now, and that isn't fair. Our job still is to get things done, and that's a need that has to be done. |
| 01:37:06.80 | Herb Weiner | So. |
| 01:37:07.27 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, I would weigh in on just for a minute here. I think that... |
| 01:37:08.44 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 01:37:17.55 | Carolyn Ford | If we can't get the bathroom cleaned up, then we could look at temporary facilities. I definitely like your idea of moving a temporary facility to Dunphy Park because I think we need a bathroom there. I'm so tired of the portable ones. |
| 01:37:34.32 | Unknown | Yep. |
| 01:37:34.56 | Carolyn Ford | but um I think we have to approach this project in the right way. And the right way, I believe, is to figure out what our budget is first and then go from there. |
| 01:37:49.21 | Jonathan Leone | Let me make a suggestion. Let me make a suggestion that sometimes trying to build this sort of thing at the council level is a little bit difficult. Why don't we put together a very lightning quick committee, task force or whatever we want to call it. I would propose that it contains Stan Baer from the Planning Commission, John Flavin from the HLB. Carolyn. and myself. and the four of us would meet and come back to this Council with a proposal that would include If possible, a short-term solution and a long-term solution with a budget. I like that. |
| 01:38:28.20 | Herb Weiner | Done. Everybody agree? All in favor? Yeah. Aye. Terrific. Why did I do that to myself? |
| 01:38:30.06 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. Terrific. Why am I doing that? |
| 01:38:35.51 | Herb Weiner | Bye. Thank you. |
| 01:38:35.63 | Carolyn Ford | Right. And me. |
| 01:38:35.78 | Jonathan Leone | Right. And me. |
| 01:38:38.30 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 01:38:38.33 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry. |
| 01:38:38.99 | Herb Weiner | it's not a match and match madness so if you'll call john i'll call stay |
| 01:38:39.46 | Jonathan Leone | It's... It's called |
| 01:38:43.43 | Jonathan Leone | So |
| 01:38:43.51 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:38:43.56 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Okay. Is that okay? |
| 01:38:45.40 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 01:38:47.15 | Jonathan Leone | And we'll picket time. Okay. Sorry about that, Jonathan, but I think this is the right approach. |
| 01:38:49.53 | Carolyn Ford | Sorry. |
| 01:38:49.85 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 01:38:49.97 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:38:50.07 | Unknown | . |
| 01:38:52.20 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. I don't know. |
| 01:38:52.64 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor and Vice Mayor and Council, Need a little bit of clarification on terms of some assurances for the public. In terms of time frame, do you look to come back? At the April 5th meeting, April 19th, we will? April 5th. Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:39:08.54 | Carolyn Ford | Be with us. |
| 01:39:10.83 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Okay. So we have direction for now. It's hard that we still... |
| 01:39:18.74 | Carolyn Ford | We're cool. I think we're good. |
| 01:39:20.69 | Herb Weiner | Okay? Okay, thank you. Let's move on to the next item. |
| 01:39:25.55 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 01:39:27.99 | Herb Weiner | And that would be a consideration of reauthorization for a Sausalito pedestrian and bicycle advisory, slash slash committee, task force, think tank. We got them all coming at us now. |
| 01:39:41.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:41.61 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 01:39:41.66 | Unknown | about. |
| 01:39:41.97 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:39:42.32 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:39:42.81 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:39:43.70 | Herb Weiner | . |
| 01:39:44.02 | Unknown | Nope. You got it suffered. |
| 01:39:44.11 | Herb Weiner | Nope. |
| 01:39:45.05 | Carolyn Ford | You got to suffer. Thank you. |
| 01:39:48.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:52.58 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:39:53.64 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:40:16.46 | Todd Teachouts | Uh, Good evening, Mr. Mayor and fellow council members. I'm Todd Teachouts, city engineer. A few weeks ago, you adopted ferry landing to Gate 6 Road feasibility study, path feasibility study. And during that discussion, the issue of bicycle committee came up. And based on the discussion, you directed us to, we informed you that there had been one, but its authorization had ended as of June 30, 2010. So you had directed us to bring this back to you at some point in the future. The basis, you know, this is before you tonight. There's no real recommendation per se. It's just kind of a background statement. Uh, It provides you some information, some history about the old task force that had been authorized and allows you some some starting point for discussion for any deviations are starting new. Since the time we finished the staff report, there's been some feedback and some suggestions It was pointed out to me, and I had... had forgotten about this, but David Hoffman, who's here in the audience right now, had taken the opportunity to suggest a structure following up on a comment that he had made also on the 15th. So, I've attempted to include capsulizing. |
| 01:42:04.32 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:42:04.71 | Todd Teachouts | together get the whole flavor of it. For bullet points, I've attempted to Thank you. structure his recommendation in a way that Thank you. |
| 01:42:16.15 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:42:16.61 | Todd Teachouts | Thank you. that you can compare it to the old structure. Based on experiences here, I've taken some liberty to suggest a third alternative for your consideration. At this point, I'm really here to allow you to discuss. If you have any questions of me, I'd be happy to answer. There was one issue in the report, whether or not committee or task force, I guess, if the council decides to form a committee, the big difference I believe is one kind of has an ongoing |
| 01:42:25.01 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:42:56.64 | Todd Teachouts | mission and it continues until you actively and terminate it. Uh, In the past, the council has authorized this as a temporary situation. The staff believes that's a pretty good arrangement. If something, people's change or missions change, it allows the council to review the situation before it goes dormant. So there's a slight suggestion on our part or a slight advocacy for a task force type arrangement with a defined sunset of June 30, 2014. that would allow some consideration of the three things that I can see. One is to prioritize the projects in the feasibility study. The second would be being around to guide what will necessarily be a master plan update by 2014. And then, as you know, every summer, dealing with the bicycles in the downtown and elsewhere creates challenges that would allow the community to weigh in on on those points and plans that come up as they emerge. So with that, I conclude my report. |
| 01:44:34.00 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor. Thank you. |
| 01:44:35.49 | Todd Teachouts | to member four |
| 01:44:35.51 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. Just one question. Has staff considered that the Street Smart program, the federal level, looks at bicycle, pedestrian, and vehicular traffic, and that this is a long-term program and the purpose of which is to get people out of their cars and in public modes of non-motorized modes of transportation. |
| 01:45:12.16 | Todd Teachouts | My understanding of the street smart is It's a program that's been implemented by the Transportation Authority of Marin And in any given year, they've been implementing it with a limited number of communities. And I'm not sure of the status of their funding. And to the extent that that continues, I'd say, sure, that would be a great opportunity for an advisory group to weigh in on that. But I'm not, it's been a while since I've been briefed by Tama on that program. |
| 01:45:47.80 | Carolyn Ford | I'm just thinking that as we move forward, changing from one mode to the other, That's not going to happen over the next three or four years, that we will need to be working on this for the next 10, 15, 20 years, you know, to perfect that change, to make that change. |
| 01:46:09.94 | Todd Teachouts | Thank you. |
| 01:46:09.95 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:46:09.97 | Todd Teachouts | Thank you. |
| 01:46:09.99 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:46:10.48 | Todd Teachouts | Understand. |
| 01:46:10.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:46:13.99 | Herb Weiner | Any other questions? |
| 01:46:18.27 | Herb Weiner | this time here. Any comment from the public on this item? Dave? |
| 01:46:22.81 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:46:26.93 | Herb Weiner | . |
| 01:46:27.22 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:46:28.81 | David Hoffman | How could I not comment? I'm David Hoffman. I'm the director of planning with the Marin County Bicycle Coalition. I have the opportunity to take a brief look at the matrix that the city engineer had put together and the first thing I actually would like to say is I want to thank the city for moving this forward. You have a defined need for bicycle and pedestrian work here in the city. It's an ongoing need and I think this is a good first step. I largely agree with a lot of what Todd says. We generally agree on most things. I'm going to deviate from my support of Todd's plan entirely by saying that an ongoing pedestrian and bicycle advisory committee, I think, is in the city's best interest. I understand what his position is and frankly if you were to move forward with that it would still be a great move forward here for the city but in my professional life with all of the other BPACs in the county, the ones that really get the most done are the ones that have been around for a number of years and they have some experience with the ongoing projects. Really, my comments are I'd like to see this move forward. I'm here to help. I think that You've got some serious challenges ahead of you, as the mayor knows and deals with every year. As we hear about, the south end of town certainly has some safety improvements that need to be done. All of the studies that have been done with the non-motorized pilot program, you have your steps, lanes, and paths, which are not bicycle projects, but they're more of a pedestrian project and equally as important in the city. My perspective is really non-motorized travel, not just simply spandex-clad warriors, but anybody who wants to get around the city using some other means than the car, whether it's on a bicycle, whether it's foot, it's all good. So I thank you for your time. I look forward to working with you folks moving forward, and I hope you do move this forward. I think it'll be a great thing for the city. Thank you. |
| 01:48:39.55 | Sonya Hanson | This is a good one. |
| 01:48:39.81 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 01:48:40.02 | Sonya Hanson | Thank you. |
| 01:48:40.30 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:48:42.25 | Herb Weiner | one of weeks. |
| 01:48:42.93 | Sonya Hanson | Okay. Mayor, council members, Sonya Hanson, Spring Street. |
| 01:48:42.94 | David Hoffman | you |
| 01:48:42.99 | Carolyn Ford | to the community. |
| 01:48:48.97 | Sonya Hanson | you I think it's, as the gentleman before me said, it's a great idea. And as Todd said, it's a needed idea. I, Second, what the gentleman before me said, having something that is temporary and an advisory as opposed to a formal committee on something that is so important seems like we are going in the wrong direction. The last two elections, one of the main concerns of everybody in this town was bicycles. It's not going away. It's going to be here for a long time to come. my understanding from reading the information that was given on the website the task force would be ad hoc in that it would hold meetings whenever somebody called a meeting. It would not be regular. It would not be ongoing. It would be sort of a, and it would be have people on the committee that are already on committees or on the task force that are already on committees and busy. This needs to be, I think, like they're doing in Mill Valley, like they did in Tiburon. It needs to be people that are specifically addressing this issue. too concerned about pedestrians, too concerned about the bicyclists, one ad hoc. That's what they're doing in Mill Valley. They've done it for years. It works well. Why aren't we doing that here? We have more bicycles here than they have there. We have all of those whatever they're called, the saddle bikes. What are they called? Blazing saddles, whatever they are. |
| 01:50:11.79 | Herb Weiner | They're all over the... |
| 01:50:12.43 | Sonya Hanson | They're all over the sidewalks. I polled all my neighbors today, and their biggest concern is Well, two things. They've got kids. They want to have riding bicycles to and from the schools in town. And right now, they say there's no way they'd do that. It is totally unsafe for them. The second thing is when they try to go downtown and walk on the sidewalks, they get knocked over by all these bicyclists on the sidewalks. It's an ongoing issue. It's going to be an ongoing issue. I would really implore you to have a formal committee, meets regularly, and report back to us. And we can go to with our concerns. There needs to be somebody addressing this on a regular basis. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:50:53.05 | Herb Weiner | Anybody else? |
| 01:50:59.75 | Jan Johnson | I don't know if this is appropriate. I'm Jan Johnson. I live in Old Town. As a walker, used to be biker, I love both, but you have got to get the bikes off the sidewalks. They are dangerous, and I'm in my little old lady's stage of life now, and I am sick of dodging wobbling seven-year-olds and their mothers on the sidewalks. And then the stop sign, the not stop sign, at Main and 2nd. No one stops at that little cautionary Pedestrians have the right-of-way sign. Maybe 10% of the cars stop. And when the cars stop on the weekends, then you get run over by the spandex warriors who are coming around them. and I would... sincerely ask you to change that little pedestrian right-of-way sign to a stop sign. So that, Bikes stop, cars stop, we don't get run over. different issue but no one's obeys that thing and it's really quite dangerous. I've almost been hit by cars that don't stop, and then I've almost been hit by bikes coming around the cars that have stopped. And I think most of the neighbors in that area would agree with me. And then the cars used the light to the exit on Alexander as the Indy 500. They speed up that road, they come around it like crazy, and I personally have never seen a policeman enforce the 25 mile per hour rate, either for cars or for bikes. and someday someone's going to get hit. So anyway, thank you. |
| 01:52:35.47 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Jan. Any other comment from the public? Okay, let's bring it back up here. |
| 01:52:43.46 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor, I believe that we definitely need a bicycle and pedestrian committee. And I, as you know from our last meeting, I wanted to make this part of our approval for the Gate 6 Road to Ferry Landing project. But I believe we need a committee for several reasons. um, first of all we need that resident input and resident vetting of our bicycle management plan we need residents to set priorities for our plans right now we've got and the two fairy projects that we have going from bridgeway to ferry from gate six road to the ferry and now we're looking at at last and I'm delighted the south city limits to the ferry, and now we're looking at, at last, and I'm delighted, the south city limits to the ferry. We need people who walk the town. who peddle the town to be on this committee, who know what's going on. And I do believe that if we had this type of committee that the projects that we submit for funding would be. projects that the community could support And we wouldn't come up against the issue that we had last time with the stairway from Sausalito Boulevard to Prospect that was running parallel with the cable roadway stairs. That sort of thing wouldn't happen if we had a committee like this and we wouldn't lose our funding. Secondly, the trees in these projects, the removal of trees and the replacement of trees is always a community issue, and we need the residents to weigh in on that. The... walkability of our town. We need residents to know what steps we have available, what pathways we have available. And not only for them to walk in, to and from downtown and wherever they want to walk to around town but also for disaster preparedness to know how to get out of the hills if there is a wildfire in the We need to make sure we have this committee for funding as David Hoffman pointed out. We need to make sure that we get the public support. for the projects we must demonstrate that we have public support for the projects when we go to the county and with this kind of committee we would have that and this committee needs to be long term to support the smart street plan to support the movement from non-vehicular modes of transportation from vehicles to non-vehicular modes of transportation and I think that we need minimum of five and probably three pedestrians and two bicycle advocates since the demographics of this town are is that we have more older people more people are walking but whatever we come whatever the council thinks on that but once again these people need to be familiar with the town need to be walking and bicycling it and the members need to be appointed by the council we need to follow our city ordinances in setting up this committee to make sure that just one one thirty seconds so that everyone who's interested has a chance to apply for this committee I have just talked to a few people in town and already I have heard from three or four people who want to be on this committee so thank you that's my input |
| 01:57:17.92 | Herb Weiner | Well, I agree this is an important issue. As you all know, we have approximately 325,000 bikes come through this town. And I'm aware that Mill Valley is doing something, but I don't know what they're doing. because on Miller Avenue for the last three years, there's not even a bicycle path or a place for bicycles to even travel through Mill Valley. So, and each city has its own different makeup. What I'd like to do at this time here, I'd like to... move this to another, the next meeting or another meeting. Because what I really want to do is, I want to go out there and get about 100 names. about people that want to participate in this, and it'll take me about two weeks. Okay? And that's what I'd like to do. |
| 01:58:15.68 | Linda Pfeifer | And that's what I want. Mr. Mayor. May I comment? |
| 01:58:19.97 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 01:58:21.06 | Linda Pfeifer | So I agree with your comment that this is really important that we – and I would also echo the fact that we need to establish this. It needs to be long term. I would agree that we – ideally, I want to thank staff for the PowerPoint slide with the new suggestions regarding the the Ideally, I want to thank staff for the PowerPoint slide with the new suggestions regarding the makeup of this committee, including the suggestion of having two, I see one option, two pedestrians, two bicycle advocates, and then a fifth member. I think I would like to see either three pedestrians and two bicyclists or two pedestrians, two bicyclists, and perhaps one stairway, someone who's a real advocate for the stairways and steps, just to ensure there's representation there. I echo Council Member Ford's support that this be appointed by Council. I agree with what resident Jan Johnson said regarding the speeding cyclists and the cars being unacceptable. you know, especially zooming around Alexander, this is just one reason why we need this committee. I think the urgency of setting this up is very real. And if we have consensus tonight, I don't see why we can't move forward with this in setting something up. I think it should be comprised of residents. I think that is absolutely key. And I also want to express my concern that I'm familiar with the Street familiar with the Street Smart program. I have seen their documents. I've gone to their booths. They really, I know they're a pedestrian and bicycle group, but they really focus on the cyclists. I mean, all of the handouts they had when I visited their booths, the workshops they held were for cyclists. And so I would like to see this pedestrian bicycle committee really have that balance of pedestrian and cyclists. That's just a comment I want to make. Put it out there. And again, I just want to close by stressing the urgency, I think, of setting this up and moving forward. I think there's consensus up here. I see no reason why we shouldn't give some momentum on this. I myself know a lot of people who would love to, you know, participate. |
| 02:01:12.95 | Herb Weiner | and then I suggest that we go to the next meeting. And, uh... and bring all your names and everything you have, because I do not want this to be a political football, alright? I want this to be something that really works. |
| 02:01:32.75 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. I maybe a compromise here would be I see this going through the same interview process that we do with Planning Commission or any other commission that we might. |
| 02:01:43.19 | Linda Pfeifer | we might. |
| 02:01:44.31 | Jonathan Leone | And I'm on the fence as to whether to task force commission, I can make an argument, or committee, I can make an argument on both sides of that. But what I'd really like to do is I'd like to start the interview process with the understanding that we're going to put this together Let's be a little mushy on all those issues, but find out who's interested in this, and bring them aboard, and let's talk to them. And then come back here and form our committee when we have some folks to form it with. and figure out what our process is going to be and so on. And I'm, like I say, I don't have any objection to a committee. And I don't have, I mean, I can see some problems with the task force because it has sort of a finite thing and what's that look like when we really have an ongoing problem. |
| 02:02:26.14 | Carolyn Ford | Right. |
| 02:02:26.53 | Jonathan Leone | So I'm leaning, I guess I'm, I'd say I'm leaning toward the committee. But I'd really like to talk to some folks who want to be on this committee, commission, whatever we want to call it. and get that process started and then four months. |
| 02:02:38.58 | Carolyn Ford | OK, may I respond to that, Mr. Mayor? |
| 02:02:41.55 | Jonathan Leone | Sure. |
| 02:02:41.89 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:02:41.90 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Councilmember Kelly, you know, what we typically do is we put together a mission and we decide what it is we want this committee to do. And David Hoffman has put together a mission statement that is, in my mind, right on. And I had hoped staff would include that in the packet. It's not here, but I do thank staff for including a summary of basically some of his recommendations. I think that what we need to do is do that and then find out so that we can advertise this to the community, find out who's interested and as we usually do for a city committee, then go through the interview process and we'll select the candidates and the council will select the candidates. This is not a political issue where one person or the other is appointing. It's a council decision as we do for every city committee that we have. So let's just follow our process and get this going. And if staff could... in our next packet come to us with that resolution and packet that David Hoffman has presented, then we could move forward on this speedily and get our committee in place and get it peopled with the people that this council wants to have in place. |
| 02:04:28.87 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. |
| 02:04:30.26 | Carolyn Ford | then I move that we as staff to bring back to our next council meeting, come back with a packet based on David Hoffman's proposal, which I believe you have, and we will take action on this then and get this process going, get our bicycle and pedestrian committee together post-haste. And I second. |
| 02:04:30.27 | Carolyn Ford | Then I move. |
| 02:04:56.40 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:04:56.43 | Mary Richardson | Thank you. |
| 02:04:56.46 | Jonathan Leone | Can we start advertising for candidates? |
| 02:04:59.90 | Carolyn Ford | Well, we don't have the mission yet. I don't have the mission yet. Yeah. We need to get |
| 02:05:01.34 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, her mission, yeah. |
| 02:05:02.94 | Linda Pfeifer | submission. |
| 02:05:03.03 | Carolyn Ford | Commission. |
| 02:05:04.12 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:05:04.14 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:05:05.09 | Linda Pfeifer | And I second that. And if we could open for discussion just a clarification on Hoffman's proposal. It's my understanding it was a long-term committee, and it was staffed by five residents. And I know we've had a couple discussions, a preference for three pedestrians and two bicycle advocates, or as I said, two pedestrians, two bikes, and one stairways advocate. So I guess we'll iron those details out later. |
| 02:05:05.10 | Carolyn Ford | And... |
| 02:05:42.01 | Carolyn Ford | that will be. I would see the third pedestrian as the stairway advocate. I think we need one, and I think I see one sitting in the audience in a red sweater. |
| 02:05:49.35 | Linda Pfeifer | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:05:49.57 | Dorothy Gibson | you Okay. I do too. |
| 02:05:55.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:05:56.42 | Carolyn Ford | I do too. |
| 02:05:56.44 | Dorothy Gibson | I do too. |
| 02:05:58.02 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:05:58.14 | Dorothy Gibson | Yeah. |
| 02:05:58.14 | Carolyn Ford | in that room. |
| 02:05:58.26 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:05:58.39 | Carolyn Ford | True. |
| 02:05:58.66 | Linda Pfeifer | All right. |
| 02:05:58.68 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. Thank you. |
| 02:06:01.87 | Unknown | Well, I... |
| 02:06:02.43 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:06:02.44 | Linda Pfeifer | So shall I make an addendum to that? I mean, amendment to that motion? That we have two pedestrians, two cyclists, |
| 02:06:04.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:06:08.65 | Unknown | David, do you want to make a comment? Thank you. |
| 02:06:12.52 | David Hoffman | No. Just very brief comments. I think you guys are on the right track. Just a couple brief comments. You can move the committee forward, create the committee, The actual membership and the interview stuff, that can happen later. writing into your charter designating three of this or two of that actually may end up hobbling you. The needs of the city are going to change over time. You have more pedestrian projects at some point. Sometimes you'll have more bicycle projects I think it If it's just five city residents, I won't be able to participate. I can attend, but I will never be able to sit on this committee. You know, let that be dictated by the needs of the time. Just get your committee in place. then do your interviews and put it together. |
| 02:06:59.31 | Carolyn Ford | Good. |
| 02:06:59.62 | David Hoffman | That's about it. Thank you. Thank you, Dave. |
| 02:06:59.63 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:07:01.14 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:07:01.34 | Carolyn Ford | Great. Thank you. |
| 02:07:03.02 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:07:03.04 | Carolyn Ford | Adam. |
| 02:07:03.72 | David Hoffman | Adam. |
| 02:07:04.04 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:07:04.43 | Carolyn Ford | you |
| 02:07:07.30 | Jonathan Leone | We have public comments. |
| 02:07:08.68 | Herb Weiner | You know, what do we do now? Peace. |
| 02:07:11.02 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:07:11.04 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 02:07:11.11 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. It's good. |
| 02:07:15.51 | Adam Krivach | Adam Krivach, 840, Olima Street. Thank you for letting me speak to the subject. I was the liaison between the Business Advisory Committee and the Transportation Committee for two and a half years. I watched the Transportation Committee elaborate on bicycle and walking and driving and parking in this town, and it became evident to me that the committee, if it's only bicycle and pedestrian committee, may carry a flag that... |
| 02:07:39.69 | Adam Politzer | and we're going to have a |
| 02:07:57.18 | Adam Krivach | looks good toward Marin County when we want none, motorized funding, But does not really address all the issues. So I would like to recommend that you don't limit the committee to five people, and you consider calling it a transportation committee. Your transportation master plan, the transportation element of your General plan is very outdated The Transportation Committee posted on the city's website a recommendation for a comprehensive solution to your transportation problems, including pedestrian and bicycle movements. and that warrants public discussion. So perhaps if this is not just Bike and Ped Committee, but also Transportation Committee, they can take a comprehensive look at how bicyclists and pedestrians fit into the overall picture of moving about in this community. Thank you. |
| 02:09:03.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Adam. Okay. And I would like to, till the next meeting, as I said, you know, I really don't wait for people to call me up. on issues, I go out there And I plan to do that in the next couple of weeks. and I will bring back my report also. So with that, next item. |
| 02:09:27.78 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor, did we have a motion on the floor? And a second. And seconded it? We need to vote on it? |
| 02:09:27.81 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. it. |
| 02:09:29.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:29.80 | Carolyn Ford | on the floor. |
| 02:09:30.72 | Unknown | and I think it's a good thing. |
| 02:09:31.04 | Carolyn Ford | In fact, in those days, |
| 02:09:36.15 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:09:37.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:41.21 | Unknown | Real call vote? |
| 02:09:41.72 | Linda Pfeifer | real quick. |
| 02:09:42.95 | Unknown | Yeah, for vote. |
| 02:09:49.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Council Member Pfeiffer. Thank you. |
| 02:09:50.90 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |
| 02:09:52.50 | Linda Pfeifer | Councilmember Ford. |
| 02:09:53.85 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |
| 02:09:54.20 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:09:54.26 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 02:09:55.76 | Linda Pfeifer | Vice Mayor Kelly. |
| 02:09:56.75 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 02:09:58.34 | Linda Pfeifer | Mayor Weiner. |
| 02:09:59.89 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 02:10:03.64 | Herb Weiner | At this time here, I'd like to take up to a five-minute break. |
| 02:10:11.60 | Herb Weiner | small community transit planning and to bicycle transportation account. Todd Teachout. |
| 02:10:17.48 | Todd Teachouts | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:10:18.02 | Herb Weiner | You won. |
| 02:10:18.57 | Todd Teachouts | Thank you. Okay, maybe this time I'll walk through the presentation on the screen for the audience benefit. I apologize for that on the last one. the State and federal and regional agencies manage programs for transportation funding and periodically they issue calls for project proposals. We don't control when that is and lately we've got several We reviewed the criteria and reviewed what we've done lately, and we thought that there were some opportunities Uh, for So we wanted before we formally submit and completely submit proposals, we wanted to walk through them with you and get your input on that. So the two programs that we have here are the two programs that we have here. we believe we can compete pretty well with as far as readiness goes is the bicycle transportation account which statewide is about a $7.8 million program. They will award projects up to $1.8 million. The second one is a small urban transit planning program in light of the various discussions and the various actions, there hasn't been a focused consideration of our transit hub. Let me do this. |
| 02:12:10.84 | Todd Teachouts | Okay, so we have prepared two and will be preparing a third for project proposals. The first two are for the bicycle transportation account. We proposed a project which comes directly from the recently adopted feasibility study to do the Bridgeway Path from Harbor Drive to Gate 6 Road. It is this. I don't know. |
| 02:12:52.71 | Todd Teachouts | There we go. It is just on the east side. It would rehabilitate the existing sidewalk. and put in as is proposed, at least we're going to try, to come in with a double section sidewalk and parallel bike path. As the feasibility study called out, there are There are trees in the way, sycamores that are roughly 30 years old. that would necessarily have to come out, but there would be mitigation measures to replace them. |
| 02:13:34.85 | Todd Teachouts | It's not well designed other than what the feasibility study came up with, which we believe is a pretty good scoping document. And it also represents a pretty deliberative community input. What I don't know is how it will compete statewide. The budget for this project is 1.2%. $3 million roughly. And if we were successful in getting a grant, they would require that the city match those funds with 10%. $128,000. For programming purposes, they're making this call for the fiscal year 2011-2012. cycle which means for now we don't have to have the matching funds but in the next few months they will be evaluating them and making their decision. And if they announce that we're successful, we would hope to bring this into the budget debate for the coming fiscal year. The staff report indicates at the moment the likely source of that match would be the transportation element of the capital improvement program. And currently this year it's funded to the tune of $500,000. There might be some tradeoffs, but again the council will be asked to make those evaluations as the time arrives. The second project is what I call the Sausalito Path. Primarily it is the construction of this gap. This is a paper street, mono street, and it's currently a dirt de facto connection from the users between this path that was built by the 30 Liberty Ship Way and by this path that was built as part of the building that Michael Rex's office is in. Golly, Bill, God. Okay, I'm sorry. Thank you for clarification. We've included the full project limits primarily because the feasibility study did. This is only 75 feet of project, but this is a very, very, very environmentally sensitive area. We think there will be a lot of effort required to get the environmental clearances. There's a little bit of budget that's necessary for right-of-way acquisition because to get the transitions Transitions from the current to through those curves would require some tweaking of the ends of those paths. And should we be successful, we'd take the opportunity to do some maintenance on those paths. They're 15 years old and they're fine structurally. They're just starting to look a little weathered and maybe a seal coat would be useful. And that's what we're talking about. 15 years old and they're fine structurally. They're just starting to look a little weathered and maybe a seal coat would be useful. As well as unify the signage and put in some way findings. |
| 02:17:11.15 | Todd Teachouts | Okay, that does it with the bicycle transportation accounts. We've only proposed those. uh... Because, as you know, there's a lot of stuff going on in the Spinnaker Point area right now. Even if we were to propose some projects that had been identified in the feasibility study, there's just so much going on right now. we thought it would be useful to let those projects proceed in the construction phase, And as you know... You know, the Transit District is coming in with their project for the ferry terminal improvements and we're not exactly sure what those are going to look like. So this would be an opportunity to allow that to come to be developed without a lot of additional input. |
| 02:18:08.46 | Unknown | uh, |
| 02:18:12.79 | Todd Teachouts | There's the Small Urban Transit Planning Program. It's a component of a much larger transit-oriented grant program. We think the Humboldt area could be studied closely. Unfortunately, with the feasibility study, they only looked at the path component. And we think that there's a really large need to really consider how how the buses work and how the transit users work in that area. TAM, Transportation Authority of Marin, did a central and southern Marin transit study back in 2009. They identified Humboldt as a as a possible green hub, which would allow green being multimodal for non-motorized transportation as well as having suitable amenities to allow recycling and pollution elements. So we believe that we have an opportunity to propose study to look primarily at Humboldt, but we want to also include the Lot 1 and the Lot 2 and possibly a These boundaries aren't totally rigid, but this whole area, as of within the transit realm for... what I hope to be minor improvements, what sidewalk improvements, how to fit this in with the bike path element, and perhaps the bathrooms, and perhaps the transit ferry. At the moment, The deadline for that was, is next week. As of this moment, it hasn't been crafted. The deadline for the two previous projects actually was last Friday. we took the liberty of submitting the paperwork, but if the council has a problem with that, submission, we would ask that they be withdrawn. That summarizes what we're doing. We ask that the council adopt a resolution authorizing us to submit these on behalf of the city. Thank you, Todd. |
| 02:20:59.65 | Herb Weiner | you You ready? |
| 02:21:02.83 | Herb Weiner | I have a question, Mr. Mayor. |
| 02:21:04.97 | Herb Weiner | Only if you say so first. |
| 02:21:06.64 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:21:09.27 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 02:21:10.28 | Herb Weiner | on the paper. OK, thank you, man. |
| 02:21:11.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. Thank you, Mayor Weiner. I was curious as to how much or what percentage, you'll recall when I voted in support of this project that my comment was it was couched in priority and balance. And the fact that we have streets that need fixing our sewers all these other things on your plate. And so when I look at this and I see and looking for grants for this and funding for this and everything. I was wondering, I'm just thinking about how much What? concerned about what percentage of staff time, what percentage of your time is being spent on this in relation to some of the more basic infrastructure maintenance. I just want to make sure there's a balance with respect to our priorities. When I think of our priority list. |
| 02:22:22.78 | Todd Teachouts | Sure. Yeah, and that's because of that expressed concern both within this forum and other forums I'm bringing it to you for as a reality check, is it reasonable for us to do this? And it's your purview to decide it's reasonable or not. you know, should we be successful with this? I really don't know how competitive these projects are. My past experience suggests that they love, if this was totally new, unlike virgin, facility I think it compete well. This is kind of a rehab of probably one of the earliest facilities in the state, I would believe. This bicycle movement seemed to kind of start in the early 70s, and I guess that's when this harbor to Gate 6 Road facility was installed. I don't know that on a statewide basis if the bicycle transportation people have gotten to the point where some of their And I'm presuming, I'm not sure how this earlier facility was funded, but they're coming to a situation where some facilities are in need of rehab, and they certainly do that on the, on the motor side, I don't know why they wouldn't here, but past practice suggests that they still might be slightly biased. So if we are successful, indeed, this would be another project within Uh, capital needs and you would have to decide what priority it has. You know, by getting into the funding cycle, we're kind of mandated to deliver within a get it all done and finally build by 2017. So it would probably, there would be moments where it would take a lot of time. |
| 02:24:40.11 | Todd Teachouts | Any other questions? |
| 02:24:42.50 | Herb Weiner | Okay, at this time here, thank you Todd. Any comments from the public at this time? Told you you should have said on the front row, Peter. Thank you. . |
| 02:24:55.21 | Peter Van Meter | I wish I didn't have to keep getting up and say something, but there's so much provocative things going on. I mean, the scary thing is that you might actually get this grant for the harbor to Gate 6. |
| 02:24:57.29 | Carolyn Ford | Say something. |
| 02:25:07.90 | Peter Van Meter | because my opinion is, and the public would see, that bicycle freeway coming in 20 feet wide or whatever with the trees going down You're going to have a level of public outrage here. that you exceed a lot of things you've ever seen in this town. My suggestion is that you order staff to withdraw that. You've approved this plan. You made a big mistake, in my opinion, doing that February 15th. I just checked my calendar. I was in Tallahassee that day. Anyway. I think you made a mistake there, and I think you're going to make a really big mistake if you go ahead and apply for this money to actually build that thing. going to be a disaster. And also the final comment about the Humboldt plan. And the things that Todd mentioned, Just one more reason, you've heard it over and over again, why you need a comprehensive plan for the downtown area. all these piecemeal projects. You know, the bus area, the bicycle path, the restrooms, parking lot improvements, these things come up over and over again piecemeal. you've got to have a comprehensive plan for downtown. You've had a lot of resource work done by the public there. A lot of it's controversial. But that needs to be a priority item on your agenda. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. Michael. |
| 02:26:25.43 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:26:27.13 | Michael Rex | I'm Michael Racks. I served on the Transportation Committee |
| 02:26:27.38 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:26:27.40 | Peter Van Meter | MICHAEL RAD. |
| 02:26:31.94 | Michael Rex | As a secretary, we worked for two and a half years to imagine Transportation improvements in town. Also, I participated in the North-South Greenway planning process. I went to, I think, every meeting and workshop. And I want to applaud the staff for trying to implement portions of a plan that you recently approved. And I don't see this as rehab as Todd described it. Gate 6 to Harbor Drive would be replaced with an updated and safer Class 1 system. And I disagree with Peter. This is not just an isolated segment. This is part of a Marin County all the way to Santa Rosa bicycle transportation system. And to the extent we can put in place a very safe, dedicated route where bicyclists can begin to commute with bikes, not just for recreation, but it becomes a real mode of transportation, that's going to help get people out of cars. So I think the public may object, but what we need to look at is the much bigger picture and what's intended here. That gap of Monta Street is embarrassing. We had private parties on each end, spend private dollars. Now it's the city's turn to close the gap on their street. and closing gaps to these pathways should be a very high priority. Humboldt is a total embarrassment. It's no better than our restrooms really, the way we dump people in the street when they arrive to town. It's unsafe. It should be upgraded, and I, again, think staff is right on. to take these high priorities and try to get funding for it so they're not, we're not just talking and dreaming, but we're actually implementing these goals and needs. So I encourage you to support staff's recommendations here. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:28:40.61 | Herb Weiner | THANK YOU. |
| 02:28:40.86 | Michael Rex | I'm not. |
| 02:28:41.03 | Herb Weiner | So, |
| 02:28:41.20 | Michael Rex | . |
| 02:28:42.08 | Herb Weiner | Jan, you'll go after Dave. |
| 02:28:46.11 | David Hoffman | in council, David Hoffman, Moran County |
| 02:28:49.01 | Herb Weiner | Michael. |
| 02:28:49.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:49.61 | David Hoffman | Bicycle Coalition. Might be getting late. I urge you folks to support this. If you don't ask, you don't get. The only way you get the money is if you apply for it. And bicycle and pedestrian and non-motorized transportation money, despite the fact that the county got a $25 million grant from the feds, which is only one of four in the nation, that's really quite the exception. The feds are not going to probably be reauthorizing that bill the way it looks. And it's going to get really difficult to get bike and ped money. So one of our very few standard funding streams here in the state is the bicycle transportation account. It's a Caltrans account. It's very competitive. I would say... apply for it. If you don't get it, you'll understand why the project didn't compete and it puts us in a, you folks, the city in a better position moving forward to close these gaps and make these safety improvements. I really thought that I was just going to simply come up here and just say I support and sit down, but really I do urge you folks to continue looking for this non-motorized transportation funding wherever you can get it. It's going to get increasingly difficult in the next couple of years, so get it while you can. Thank you. |
| 02:30:04.73 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Dave. Jan? |
| 02:30:06.08 | Jan Johnson | I'm sorry to take your time, but I have a question. Say your name first. Jan Johnson. |
| 02:30:08.63 | Herb Weiner | Say your name first. |
| 02:30:11.74 | Jan Johnson | We currently have a bike path that runs in front of the arcs and Paradise and that area that's adjacent to the sidewalk, but none of the bikes use it. they continue to use the streets. My question is if we're going to spend $1.2 million on this new one, will the bikes be required to get on it and use it? Or will we just tear out the trees, have a nice wide sidewalk that the bikes don't use and they continue to ride on the street? So do you know that? I mean, is there some way to answer that question? Wow. |
| 02:30:50.60 | Todd Teachouts | people won't be required to use it. The vehicle code will allow bicycle users and pedestrians to use what they can. So if there's an on-street facility, whether it's a class 2 or a class 3, which is just a street with a bike route sign, users will be able to use the street or the sidewalk. |
| 02:31:07.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:20.59 | Todd Teachouts | the, The segment from Napa to Johnson, which is what I believe she's described was not. proposed at this point. Uh, primarily because The Locust Street pump station has been an obstacle in that segment, and the Sanitary District is very close to replacing it when they do that obstacle will go away and then we'll be in a better situation. that they've been working on diligently for the last three and four years. At the moment, we're not ready, and we may not be ready in a year, but I say that in the next cycle we might be. That's why it wasn't proposed this time. Bye. And then, you know, should the council approve this committee, then the committee will be able to prioritize the other projects in the feasibility study. |
| 02:32:06.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:17.30 | Todd Teachouts | Thank you, Todd. |
| 02:32:23.06 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. THE FAMILY. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:32:28.66 | Herb Weiner | No, no. But let me explain. From that point that you're talking about down at that end of town, which is the north end of town, |
| 02:32:28.69 | Carolyn Ford | No. No. |
| 02:32:40.19 | Herb Weiner | you're not going to really get the commuter bikes on that pathway. They're going to still use the street. It's the other, well, there's other components to this. There is a lot of bicyclists that go through town, a lot of the bike rentals, a lot of people that are recreational. And the reason that they don't use that pathway is you can just barely walk on that if you walk there. I mean, it's all buckled up. and this is from Harbor Drive, to Gate 6. or even for that matter to Gate 5. I really... ask you to take a walk down there and see. It's not really walkable. All the trees have just buckled that pathway, and that's why bicycles, even the people that don't want to be on the street, Don't use that. So what we've done is we've closed it down. We're forcing them on the street, and I'm not sure if that's the best way. Dorothy? |
| 02:33:44.77 | Dorothy Gibson | Dorothy Gibson... |
| 02:33:45.97 | Herb Weiner | you Thank you. |
| 02:33:46.91 | Dorothy Gibson | Uh... |
| 02:33:47.55 | Herb Weiner | Amen. |
| 02:33:48.02 | Dorothy Gibson | That area. from Molly Stone's on... Harbor Drive. North. Mm-hmm. is very dangerous. Most of the bicyclists Probably 99% of them. do stay in the street. The walkway with the trees you described beautifully. But it is dangerous. It's dangerous not only walking, but it's much more dangerous in terms of the possibility of. bicycles, baby carriages, and all men, and roller skates, and all manner of stuff trying to go in and around those trees. I had my only collision with a bicycle. right in the middle of that area. He thought I was the blame. I still think he was the blame. Where the hell he was, I don't know, but he ended up on my fender. I think the trees disguised it. what I'm want to say is that it's very dangerous and I think we need to be very definitive about who can be where. and enforce it. |
| 02:34:57.70 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Dorothy. Any other public comment at this time? Okay, let's bring it back up. And he got... Do we have a Anybody want to adopt a resolution? Yes. |
| 02:35:13.11 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, I would like to, Mr. Mayor, thank you. |
| 02:35:18.54 | Herb Weiner | is Council Member Ford. |
| 02:35:20.60 | Carolyn Ford | I agree with two things here. We have the funding available now, and we need to go for it, I believe, because in the future, as was pointed out, we may not have funding of this nature and probably won't have. So I believe we need to take advantage of that and I also believe and agree with the mayor that we need to work on that area and Dorothy between Molly stones in the north end of town the |
| 02:35:28.58 | Unknown | Now, |
| 02:36:04.39 | Carolyn Ford | The roadway is used for commuters, bicycle commuters primarily. but we have no paths in town for the kids to ride on for older people like me to ride bicycles on. There just aren't paths and when I last rode that path it is so bumpy that it's extremely dangerous and it's dangerous for people who might be walking and stumble along. So I believe what our plan calls for is a sidewalk and a bicycle path separated. so that we separate the pedestrians from the bicyclists and to remove but to replace the trees and our Public Works Department plans to put those trees in containers containerize them so that they're not, the roots aren't tearing up the path again. there are ways of having trees along our pathways without having them interfere with the paths themselves and ruining them. So I move that we go forward with this plan and ask staff to submit all the proposals that they have presented and take advantage of this opportunity to get some funding to start the repairs. |
| 02:37:38.98 | Herb Weiner | And by the way, if you go down that between Harbor and Gate 5, Gate 6, you'll even see that the city over time had to put diamond markers on it. just so you're aware how bad it really is down there. |
| 02:37:51.46 | Unknown | . |
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| 02:37:51.77 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:37:55.01 | Herb Weiner | So I agree. |
| 02:37:55.14 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:37:56.96 | Herb Weiner | Can I have a adoptive resolution on that, please? Thank you. |
| 02:38:00.96 | Jonathan Leone | I mean, |
| 02:38:01.08 | Herb Weiner | I mean, you didn't, but did she read the |
| 02:38:02.19 | Jonathan Leone | you But The Pressure. Thank you. |
| 02:38:05.69 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:38:05.70 | Carolyn Ford | Oh, oh, sorry. |
| 02:38:06.02 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:38:08.73 | Carolyn Ford | Go ahead. |
| 02:38:09.10 | Jan Johnson | Thank you. |
| 02:38:09.20 | Carolyn Ford | I can. |
| 02:38:11.56 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. Thank you. you |
| 02:38:12.57 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. All in favor? |
| 02:38:12.64 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. Okay. Okay. and |
| 02:38:17.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Can we discuss a little bit? I just have some questions about this. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. So, Council Member Pfeiffer. We usually have discussion following a second. So I see that the transit planning study will require 11.47 local match. So it would cost $11,470. And I guess I had a question, if I may, with Todd. |
| 02:38:17.18 | Carolyn Ford | I- |
| 02:38:21.75 | Herb Weiner | I'm sorry. So, also member Pfeiffer? |
| 02:38:45.85 | Linda Pfeifer | Todd, one of the, you're seeking funds from the bicycle transportation account. Right. And I'm just, I guess my question is with respect to the, um, The other funding, which is the Metropolitan Transportation Committee, Is that fund, that multi-fund, does that include street repair, signage, pothole repair? In other words, can grant monies be sought from that fund for |
| 02:39:05.48 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 02:39:23.18 | Linda Pfeifer | you know, basic infrastructure needs as well. |
| 02:39:26.55 | Todd Teachouts | not with this call. This call was of the various |
| 02:39:29.39 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. |
| 02:39:35.38 | Todd Teachouts | available, only the small urban transit study was something that we would succeed. It was for planning studies or transit infrastructure. You know, if we were a Golden Gate Transit or Marin Transit, there might be resources for rolling stock or |
| 02:39:50.33 | Carolyn Ford | Hmm. |
| 02:39:55.09 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:40:02.16 | Todd Teachouts | other things, but not pavement, not sidewalk. |
| 02:40:03.31 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:40:07.27 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. And the other question, the reason I asked that question was because I wanted to confirm that there wasn't, you know, we weren't losing an opportunity to get funds for basic infrastructure that we already need to maintain. So my other question is just to confirm, you said earlier that we would have until 2017 to spend these grant monies. |
| 02:40:29.16 | Todd Teachouts | For the bicycle transportation account. |
| 02:40:33.43 | Linda Pfeifer | For the bicycle? Okay. |
| 02:40:35.56 | Todd Teachouts | Thank you. Our final invoice would need to come in to them by then to get fully reimbursed. |
| 02:40:36.21 | Linda Pfeifer | All right. |
| 02:40:42.73 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:40:42.74 | Unknown | you Okay. |
| 02:40:45.38 | Todd Teachouts | All right. I'm sorry, I don't know what the deadline for the urban transit study is. I should, so I apologize for that. All right. |
| 02:40:59.28 | Herb Weiner | So we got a second. Thank you. |
| 02:41:00.87 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 02:41:01.36 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 02:41:03.03 | Carolyn Ford | All right. Aye. |
| 02:41:06.33 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. Thank you, Todd. Next item, we have a discussion and direction on preliminary South City limits to ferry landing, non-motorized transportation, pilot program project proposal. Next, Jonathan Goldman. |
| 02:41:26.33 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you again Mr. Mayor. Item 6G in the packet. As council may recall, November 23rd, the council expressed the community support for two potential non-motorized transportation pilot projects. The first being a South Sydney Limit to Ferry Landing project, and then the second Steps, Stairs, and Paths reconstruction project. With those actions, the Council also authorized the city manager to prepare and submit project proposals for the two projects. Staff has informed the county of the resolutions and as of this date has prepared preliminary conceptual plans for the city manager's consideration on the first of those, the South City Limits to Ferry Landing Non-Motorized Transmutation Pilot Program Project. Because of the magnitude of the preliminary conceptual plans, actually not the magnitude of the plans, the magnitude of the preliminary budget estimate, staff is presenting them to council for discussion and direction prior to transmitting this proposal not the magnitude of the plans, the magnitude of the preliminary budget estimate, staff is presenting them to council for discussion and direction prior to transmitting this proposal to the county. |
| 02:42:37.33 | Jonathon Goldman | The project concept is intended to make safety and operational improvements for bicyclists and pedestrians from the South City Limit to the ferry landing including Alexander Avenue, South Street, 2nd Street, Richardson, and Bridgeway. The project is intended to complement improvements being planned by the National Park Service on the Alexander-Benz. a Sausalito connector and also to address a need identified by many residents and other local stakeholders ranking bicycle and pedestrian safety needs. In the staff report and the presentation this evening, what I am depicting are some conceptual cross sections that our consultant David Parisi worked with the city engineer and I to develop just some brief descriptions of the improvements that are conceptually contemplated there and then talk about preliminary cost estimates. This first segment, segment number one, Alexander Avenue from South City Limits to South Street. I'll briefly offer an aside here. I think we did get some late mail comment from Dr. Potch on the water side of Alexander here that I believe you have. This segment would construct retaining walls within the existing public right of way and create from east to west or water to hill. an eight foot wide sidewalk two 11-foot wide traveled lanes, a 5-foot wide uphill bike lane, and a 5-foot sidewalk. As you can see, we're also depicting the existing condition where we basically have traveled lanes, intermittent pedestrian facilities, and no clearly delineated bicycle facilities. |
| 02:44:27.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:28.04 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 02:44:33.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Second segment, South Street from Alexander II. Very similar, construct retaining walls within the existing public right-of-way and create a five-foot-wide sidewalk. This time we're going hillside to waterside. We have an existing five-foot-wide sidewalk. we would construct a new five foot wide sidewalk an eight-foot parking lane to preserve the on-street parking that exists there now, a five-foot-wide uphill bicycle lane, two 11-foot-wide traffic lanes, and then an addition of three feet to the existing downhill sidewalk, an eight-foot sidewalk on the water side in this segment. |
| 02:45:14.35 | Jonathon Goldman | third segment second street themselves to Richardson I'm this segment as well as the segment for really minor really limited to minor pavement marking changes to establish and again maintain continuity of that uphill five foot wide bicycle lane. The difference between uphill and downhill being a much more significant difference in speed between an uphill bicyclist and vehicular traffic. On the downhill segments or the downhill parts of this project bicycles that choose to as they're allowed to under the law as was discussed earlier choose to ride with traffic have the potential to be going at the speed limit 25 miles an hour or very close to that and that doesn't necessarily create the need for a bike lane. Also, we have the identified need for some accessibility improvements in this segment, some curb ramps, some other features that the law would require that we make if we alter the roadway segment here. Segment number four, Richardson Street from Second to Broadway, or Bridgeway. Geez. Isn't it time to adjourn? I like something. |
| 02:46:35.45 | Herb Weiner | Charlie. I've laid something. |
| 02:46:37.49 | Jonathon Goldman | This too, the existing right of way and the existing features give us the opportunity to really just make some minor pavement marking changes to establish six foot bike lanes in this segment in both directions because the greatest ladder and that speed advantage, disadvantage doesn't exist anymore as well as some disabilities improvements or accessibility improvements. Segment five, bridge away from Richardson to Princess. This is the segment that we conceptually identified the most significant potential changes. There are a couple of reasons for that. Obviously one is that if you look at the existing, there is the opportunity to improve, to widen Bridgeway and improve the both bicycle and pedestrian access along that route, without having any adverse effects on vehicle traffic or losing the center left turn lane. But we also wanted to take into account a longer term need. Projected increases in frequency of tidal inundation due to sea level rise over the next 40 years and longer. From the water side to the hillside, this project segment would see construction of a 16-foot walkway, where we have about a 9-foot walkway today. Six-foot bike lane, 11-foot traveled lanes, as I said, maintain this 10-foot wide continuous left turn lane, gain us a six-foot bike lane on the other side, maintain the 8-foot parking and the existing 8-foot sidewalk. I tried, however crudely, to combine the cross sections that our consultant prepared with street view imagery from Google Earth just to allow us to compare what's essentially the existing configuration with that proposed. Thank you. Thank you. So as you can see, the proposal would widen. We would demolish the existing sidewalk here and then construct some form of new support system for this new walkway that would be constructed on the water side. I'm not going to read all this. I think it's in the staff report. I believe that council is familiar with it. Um, The bottom line here is that assuming that Bay Conservation and Development Commission's projections or scenarios for sea level rise are accurate, The areas of Bridgeway in this segment that are currently within the 100-year floodplain, meaning that the probability that they have a foot or more of water on them every year is 1 in 100, which is the 9-foot elevation contour, those areas would expand 2050 to the 10, you know, a foot higher, a 10.2-foot contour, and then if their projections in 2100 are correct, all properties lower than the 13.5 foot elevation would be within the 100-year floodplain. So one of the opportunities here is to take advantage of, especially if the grant funding is available, provide flood protection. We would also gain protection of the critical sewer facilities that lie underneath the shoreline protection in the bridgeway make those facilities upland facilities so that in the event that they needed to be maintained or there was a an issue with them we would be dealing with it with motor vehicles and on land rather than boats and with the potential for much more significant potential for environmental harm on Richardson's Bay and San Francisco Bay. Our cost estimate for all segments, including both construction costs as well as environmental, plan specs and cost estimates, right of way, appraisals, et cetera, construction engineering and a fairly healthy contingency that has a number of line items in it. Round number is $30 million. |
| 02:50:13.56 | Unknown | and Bruce. |
| 02:51:06.06 | Jonathon Goldman | non-motorized transportation pilot. program does not require a local match so in the best of all worlds assuming this entire project could be funded there wouldn't necessarily be a local match there are also potentially given some of what we've heard this evening and the fact that there's no such thing as a sure thing when you're dealing with the federal government or even maybe county politics there might be other funding opportunities and I think if council is interested in having staff pursue this whole project or even segments of this project that way we would be happy to based on some some questions I also broke down segments you can kind of see in this prior slide. We have a subtotal without bridgeway construction cost estimates. I don't think this was in the staff report this way. I think I worked on this afterwards and I apologize for not distributing it. But construction without bridgeway about $4.2 million. Bridgeway construction $14.7 million and then taking those other contingencies and other |
| 02:52:01.51 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:52:01.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:52:17.88 | Jonathon Goldman | product delivery or project delivery elements into case. Again, the total project. with the Bridgeway component of $30 million, and without the Bridgeway component would be around $7 million. |
| 02:52:31.85 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:52:31.86 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. So our next steps are discussion this evening, questions of staff, public comment, and then council's pleasure as to whether we submit the entire proposal to Marin County to be considered for support for non-motorized transportation pilot project funding or whether we modify the proposal. or any number of other alternatives at this late hour. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. |
| 02:53:07.40 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:53:07.52 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:53:07.62 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:53:07.94 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, I have a question. Council Member Ford. Do we have any idea how much money the county has and what our chances of getting $30 million as opposed to $7 million might be? Or should we break it into two different A and B? |
| 02:53:07.98 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 02:53:08.48 | Jonathon Goldman | All right. |
| 02:53:08.84 | Herb Weiner | Councilman was 40. |
| 02:53:24.72 | Jonathon Goldman | Or should I? |
| 02:53:29.56 | Jonathon Goldman | We probably don't know how much money the county has, and it's not... because we're ignorant, it's because the county doesn't know how much money they have. And in large part, that's the reason why the issue that we first discussed or brought to a head in November has kind of bumped along the way it has. The Continuing Resolution Authority, as I understand it, for the transportation bill, has caused funds to keep flowing to the county because Congress can't change any of that without adopting a budget and Um, So the county has seen more money come in than they expected to. At the same time, as we've also heard this evening, it seems unlikely, or some people would say it's unlikely, that the transportation bill that created this program in the first place will be reenacted in the same kind of framework that it is. So the short answer is no one really knows. And I think that if the council and the community are supportive of the concepts of dealing with these segments in this way, it's worth trying to get funding to do the additional design work, the environmental work, etc., to develop more detailed cost estimates. And if non-motorized transportation isn't available to fund construction of the whole thing, at least we're in a much better position to compete for grants from other sources going forward. |
| 02:54:44.42 | Unknown | And, |
| 02:55:18.40 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, and follow-up questions just regarding what you're recommending here. On Bridgeway, I presume that the bigger pathway along the water that that extends out over the lower pathway? Yes. Is that where we're... |
| 02:55:37.83 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. Is that where we're? That distance would take you. |
| 02:55:42.20 | Carolyn Ford | It goes away. |
| 02:55:42.26 | Jonathon Goldman | goes away. Yes. |
| 02:55:43.55 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. The lower pathway. Yes. And so there's a 16-foot retaining wall there. |
| 02:55:44.68 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. Not necessarily. There are any number of ways that that wide path could be constructed, and a retaining wall is one of them, a bulkhead is one of them. Uh, the... advantage. And it's really a It's a policy question. The advantage to staying within the footprint of the existing shoreline protection is that BCDC is not going to consider that an increase in fill. Anything that we do that goes further out into the water is fill in the bay and would |
| 02:56:16.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:17.03 | Carolyn Ford | Anything? |
| 02:56:22.44 | Jonathon Goldman | require mitigation. But these are just concepts. There's any number of ways that that could be accomplished. And I think the city manager wants to say something like that. |
| 02:56:25.62 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:56:25.63 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 02:56:32.13 | Adam Politzer | If you may, Jonathan, would you just also explain If you go back to some of our sewer projects, that this line there has been identified as one of the areas that has to be addressed at some point. in the future and I don't know if the public Thank you. either here today or that may be watching this on the web stream. as understands what's underneath that lower walking path. |
| 02:56:58.14 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, my understanding is that it isn't a walking path. It's the concrete cap over Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District's horse main. And again, At the time, that made perfectly good sense. Not only did it make perfectly good sense, but it's a great place to walk if you can get there in the tide slope. Uh, but... looking forward into the future in the event that there's an issue with that forced main or the city's facilities that also underlie Bridgeway. Um, any opportunity that we have to be able to work those issues from on land as opposed to having sewage getting into the bay and having to work it Um, and fight the tides as we saw with the district with one of their spills a couple years ago. It's a huge advantage to be able to work it |
| 02:57:53.72 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Okay, another question on, again, looking at the maps, on Alexander Avenue. the sidewalks are shown to be five feet wide. Is that a requirement or could we reduce those sidewalks to four feet wide and create another bike lane along the east side? |
| 02:58:21.36 | Jonathon Goldman | It is not a requirement. So yes, we could conceivably do what you suggest. |
| 02:58:27.84 | Carolyn Ford | because I would love the thought there is to get the bicycles out of the traffic. you know, if we had a five-foot I understand that they can keep up with traffic, but some of the slower ones, particularly the ones we get on rental bikes from the city, do not. And so that is still an issue in coming into town. |
| 02:58:52.94 | Jonathon Goldman | I understand and I agree and certainly there are lots of alternatives. In a way it's reassuring to know that without having to acquire additional right of way, we have the flexibility to do a lot of things that I wasn't confident that we could. The only thing that I'll say in defense of |
| 02:59:08.44 | Unknown | Yes. Thank you. |
| 02:59:10.03 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:59:13.88 | Jonathon Goldman | sidewalk with in that case is that the truly sane who may have come down the hill on the bicycle at one time in the past might really like a great place to get off and walk. And walking down the hill on a sidewalk is preferable to riding down the hill on a bike lane or riding down the hill without a bike lane. in my humble old person's opinion. |
| 02:59:42.09 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. I'm curious how you handled that section where there's one house that Lee, you have the house abutting. It's about a foot from the street. Yes. How were you able to widen that section of Alexander, going to the west side of the street? |
| 02:59:55.96 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. |
| 03:00:02.27 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, I wish that we had, I was here reporting that we had already successfully done that. Okay. That's one of the advantages to these conceptual cross-sections. I see. It looks really easy. If we had $30 million, this would be really easy. So that hasn't. The advantage is that there's a 40-foot wide right-of-way. |
| 03:00:07.71 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. |
| 03:00:08.42 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 03:00:10.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:10.80 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:00:11.00 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:00:11.03 | Jan Johnson | It looks great. |
| 03:00:13.11 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. you |
| 03:00:14.05 | Jan Johnson | We had 30 million. |
| 03:00:18.19 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 03:00:18.22 | Jan Johnson | So that has it? |
| 03:00:19.17 | Peter Van Meter | Yeah. |
| 03:00:22.59 | Jonathon Goldman | And as you can see comparing and these again these are cartoons but comparing what is existing on the hillside with what is proposed we're anticipating that it's a lot easier to take with on the hillside and build a retaining wall than it is to try and take with where somebody's house is right here or something like that. But those are design details that. |
| 03:00:42.61 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:00:42.71 | Carolyn Ford | Sure. |
| 03:00:42.94 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:00:43.75 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:00:43.77 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 03:00:43.79 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:00:44.04 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:00:47.65 | Carolyn Ford | But we do have the space to do that if we want to go into the hillside. Okay, great. Great. |
| 03:00:50.54 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 03:00:53.96 | Carolyn Ford | And these plans can be changed and modified as we go along. If we wanted to create, I'm assuming if we wanted to create a bicycle path on the east side of Alexander Avenue, we could at some point in time. This is not set in concrete. Okay, great. Thank you. |
| 03:01:09.76 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 03:01:09.98 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:01:10.00 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:01:12.59 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:01:13.67 | Herb Weiner | Let's make... |
| 03:01:14.99 | Jonathan Leone | What about Facha's point of switching the lanes? |
| 03:01:21.88 | Jonathon Goldman | I read his suggestions and the city manager and I discussed it. I think they're reasonable suggestions. And again, it's not that our consultant or the city engineer or I know what to do and know what's best already at this point. What we're trying to do is advance the concept, the recognition that, you know, You know, it looks like we can make this work without having to acquire significant swaths of right-of-way and move people's houses and things like that. The next step is to try to get funding, should the council concur, to bring in surveyors and engineers to look at those very details. People with that kind of expertise who can help us look at alternatives and make a recommendation and interact with the community. |
| 03:02:09.24 | Carolyn Ford | of. |
| 03:02:09.61 | Jonathan Leone | EXPLAIN. |
| 03:02:17.19 | Jonathan Leone | So none of this is cast in stone? No. No. |
| 03:02:19.52 | Jonathon Goldman | No. |
| 03:02:20.11 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. So, |
| 03:02:21.83 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:02:21.88 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, Mary? |
| 03:02:22.96 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:02:22.98 | Herb Weiner | Council member 55. |
| 03:02:24.23 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. So I think that's a very important point because I think a lot of people are very interested in providing input and feedback on this. So if you could go back to the prior slide where it showed the downtown along the boardwalk. I'm sorry, maybe it wasn't the prior slide. Well, it was the prior slide. |
| 03:02:43.85 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, it was prior to that I went back. |
| 03:02:47.41 | Linda Pfeifer | Oh. |
| 03:02:47.43 | Jonathon Goldman | Oh. you Thank you. Thank you. So your memory was correct. And yeah. |
| 03:02:50.67 | Linda Pfeifer | And yeah. This one? And it's okay if you don't know the exact dimensions. I understand, I think it was the next one where you're showing how it would extend. |
| 03:03:00.26 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 03:03:00.64 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. So that, that, the emergency lane. |
| 03:03:06.77 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 03:03:07.06 | Linda Pfeifer | Is that width equal to the width of the current lane? |
| 03:03:07.07 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:03:11.31 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:03:11.71 | Linda Pfeifer | OK. |
| 03:03:11.76 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:03:12.14 | Jonathon Goldman | 10 feet. |
| 03:03:12.17 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, great. And then the sidewalk, if it were to jet out, would that Um, be the same width as the current main sidewalk. |
| 03:03:22.83 | Jonathon Goldman | No, it's wider. |
| 03:03:24.37 | Linda Pfeifer | It's wider, okay, all right. Here it is. Okay, that's good because actually. |
| 03:03:26.11 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay, that's great because actually. If you're existing there is nine feet, we would go to a 16 foot. |
| 03:03:30.93 | Linda Pfeifer | Oh, right. Okay. We would go to a 16-foot. Okay, very good. Yeah, that's important because people go both ways, you know, along the seashore, so. Okay. And I understand this is conceptual, too. This is just conceptual in not casting concrete. |
| 03:03:34.38 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:03:34.44 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:03:34.58 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:03:41.53 | Jonathon Goldman | And... |
| 03:03:41.97 | Unknown | And I understand this is consent. |
| 03:03:47.88 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Okay. Any other questions, counsel? This time here, public comment. |
| 03:03:57.90 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Yeah. Adam, go ahead. |
| 03:04:02.76 | Adam Krivach | Thank you. |
| 03:04:08.11 | Adam Krivach | I would like to laud the city to consider these concepts for dealing with traffic and addressing transportation issues south of the Ferry Building. or ferry terminal, I'm sorry, because this is public concern. has been a public concern and somehow it always fell Thank you. By the wayside nobody really dealt with it because everybody hesitated even to draw up plans for it. I believe we are going in the right direction for several reasons. Environmentally, we are making it safer and more attractive to arrive in Sausalito. In terms of global warming, We might get funds for constructing levees, and we might use some of those funds for building our waterfront in a way that provides for better access to our community. And Ultimately, we are planning for bringing up to the same standard our southern waterfront as the standards we are applying to a northern waterfront. So, this is worthwhile effort. I encourage the city and the city council to encourage the staff to move forward with this. And we can only benefit from thinking. Thoughts are the cheapest form of improvement. And if action comes out of our thinking, then the whole community would benefit. Thank you. |
| 03:06:15.52 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 03:06:15.55 | David Hoffman | Thank you, Adam. David. David Hoffman, Marine County Bicycle Coalition. So I'm encouraging folks to move forward with |
| 03:06:18.66 | Adam Krivach | Bye. |
| 03:06:25.37 | David Hoffman | uh, seeking this money specifically Councilmember Ford I believe that you've asked me numerous times to assist with the southern end of town and the particularly treacherous conditions for bicyclists and pedestrians back there on the especially in Alexander and second this planning effort would and construction effort would certainly help mitigate some of that and I would if the city was fortunate enough to get some portion of the funds and do some portion of this study, even if it's not the full $30 million, I'm fully behind whatever improvements you guys can do. So I think this is a great start. Again, if you don't ask, you don't get. This is tough money to get. Now's the time to ask, and I thank you for your continued support. |
| 03:07:12.18 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, David. Any other public comment at this time? Let's bring it back up here. Well, I feel that we should also move forward because, in my opinion, the bikes aren't going to lessen. There's going to be more of them coming over in the future. And I think we do have to plan on to accommodate and make it a much safer place. entrance into our city from the south end of town. So I think we should move forward on this. |
| 03:07:50.08 | Jonathan Leone | Okay, I move that we direct staff to submit the proposal as received. |
| 03:07:54.76 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. Okay, and I would just like to say that I think that when we take this to the county that we should emphasize that this is the gateway to Marin. that all bicyclists coming over that golden gate bridge and coming down through sausalito this is this is a way they get to every other place in marin and that we need to really emphasize that part of it to let them know that this is a county issue and not just the city of Sausalito issue. I am delighted to know that this can be done. because we have been looking at this and thinking about it and talking about it forever, it seems. So this is great. I second. |
| 03:08:45.35 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 03:08:45.81 | Carolyn Ford | the motion. |
| 03:08:46.77 | Herb Weiner | All in favor? |
| 03:08:48.40 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:08:48.56 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:08:48.57 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 03:08:48.62 | Linda Pfeifer | We have discussion after the second. |
| 03:08:51.17 | Herb Weiner | Why did I know you were going to say that? Night Earth. |
| 03:08:52.93 | Linda Pfeifer | Kind of. So I agree that this is very much needed. We have, I live on South Street. I know that there are bicycle accidents all the time. And if this helps mitigate that congestion and make it safer for residents and pedestrians, especially on those corridors, and so much the better, it sounds like the funds are there and if we don't, you know, take advantage of that, then we miss an opportunity. But having said that, I think what's really key to this, and I say this because we didn't do it this time, is public outreach. We need, even when we're just discussing this, even in this early preliminary stage, we need to get the message out to our residents. We need to let them know that this is being discussed. These are being, these issues are out there. And, you know, because I had to scramble to let people know about this. And I think it was a lot for them to digest in a very short period of time. |
| 03:08:54.53 | Herb Weiner | So... |
| 03:09:50.45 | Unknown | or others. |
| 03:10:04.46 | Linda Pfeifer | So, you know, I'll support for this with regards to, you know, getting the seed money because I think it will benefit residents. If residents participate in our, we have outreach to those residents, that this will fail if we don't do that. |
| 03:10:22.35 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, I agree. We need to be more concerned about our outreach and I think that Um, We need, residents need a quicker way to access this information. Right now, Sausalito Currents puts out, an email but to get to the agenda you have to go through two or three different screens and I know we're under a new system so that's probably going to be cleaned up a bit in the future but I think that residents need to know about any issue of this nature that is controversial that they're interested in and it needs to be right up front in our Sausalito currents anyway I'm just delighted that we're moving forward |
| 03:11:09.53 | Herb Weiner | Okay. All right. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? You have your direction. Okay. City manager report. |
| 03:11:14.10 | Carolyn Ford | Aye. |
| 03:11:21.71 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Mr. Mayor and City Council members. |
| 03:11:21.78 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:11:21.90 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:11:21.93 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:11:22.08 | Carolyn Ford | Mayor, City Councilman. |
| 03:11:23.32 | Adam Politzer | us. |
| 03:11:25.90 | Carolyn Ford | . I'm sorry. you |
| 03:11:28.63 | Adam Politzer | My comments here will be brief and direct. We have the Marin County Council of Mayors and Council Members Dinner tomorrow night. City of Ross is hosting at Jason's in Greenbrae at 6 p.m. I want to just thank the city council, the public, and the city staff for hosting a very successful event, introducing our new police chief to our community last Thursday on St. Patrick's Day. I think the picture in the IJ captured essence of the crowd and obviously Jennifer Tata's family. Uh, participating in the celebration, really a wonderful event for our community and a great way to welcome our new chief. So thank you all for being there and your active participation. A reminder of the strategic planning session this Friday and just wanted to make a comment because there's been some discussion during public comment to previous council meetings about presentations being made to the council on at the strategic planning session. We traditionally do not hold or have public presentations, advocating for various projects. Thank you. And I know that the folks from the community garden had made a statement that they were planning on coming to the 25th to make a presentation. And I just wanted to correct that we have not invited the community garden or any other organization to come and give presentations. At the beginning of our retreat as we've done in the past, there is an opportunity for public expression, but then we go into a retreat mode at that point where we work as a staff and there wouldn't be an opportunity for any presentations from the public until the next City Council meeting. So we've reached out and will continue to reach out to folks that are interested in presenting information. and steer them back to our City Council meetings as future agenda items. and then also to participate in the priority calendar setting process that will happen later in April. and particularly a project such as the community garden. I think that they really were asking for the council to dedicate city staff resources in helping them move their project forward and that is best suited under the priority calendar project. rather than looking at our long term and long range strategic planning thinking that takes place there. but the meeting is open to the public. The public expression will take place at the beginning of the meeting. The last item here is both looking backwards and looking forwards and that is with the winter storms. We had a significant event this past weekend, particularly on Saturday night into Sunday early morning. I think that we got a lot of attention on the news for the reports of 65 mile an hour winds, but it was nice to see the reports from our police department. that we really had limited damage. We did have some significant flooding down on the Gate 5 Road area. and our north part of town, which traditionally has impacted by high tides and significant rain. But really no major incidents to report. And I think, again, a credit to PG&E. and the credit to our council and our community on. working with PG&E to encourage them to make improvements. We didn't have any power out. And I can tell you that at 1235. Where I live in Greenbury, the power was out. They didn't come back on until well into the afternoon after 2 o'clock in the afternoon. Safeway and the town center there in Corner Madera They were still without power 4 o'clock in the afternoon. So for an area that traditionally the power goes out when there's a slight breeze, I think that this past winter we've performed quite well. Knock on wood that that continues. But I think that with the work with trimming and pruning trees that keep them out of the power lines, dealing with older trees that limbs can fall off during that both PG&E and public works working together have done a good job of looking at that aspect of what has created some damage. looking forward right now and you've heard it throughout the evening, the rain that's falling, there is a severe weather alert between now and 5 in the morning Friday, the 25th. So I think it won't be as severe as what we experience Saturday night through Sunday morning but still for us to be alert and work with our neighbors to help them clear out the gutters and be aware of our friends next door that may have challenges during difficult weather time. That's my report. Happy to answer any questions of the council. |
| 03:16:50.71 | Herb Weiner | No, but I would like to comment that In my 34 years in Sausalito, and having my gas station for 33 years down there, This is the first winter. and I guess we can call it the end of winter, which was the 21st. It was the first winter that I could ever remember Sausalito going through a winter without and still have his power. |
| 03:17:15.82 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:17:15.97 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 03:17:16.02 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 03:17:16.06 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 03:17:16.12 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 03:17:16.14 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:17:16.17 | Carolyn Ford | All right. |
| 03:17:16.75 | Herb Weiner | . So, compliments. And besides, you can see the difference now with DPW being able to get out there with that new machine and everything else to clean the lines. that we have on our storm drains, and it made a real big difference. If you notice the flow of the water, we really didn't, like up on San Carlos and that area there, really not tremendous backups. It was able to really, really handle it. So, compliments to the DPW. Okay. with that. Next item, Mayor's appointment. The only thing I would like to make a change is on the R BRA, I'd like to... be the liaison and have Jonathan Leon as the alternate on that. And with that, we'll move to future agenda items, which I'm sure I'm looking right at you. |
| 03:18:12.28 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 03:18:12.30 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you, Herb. You're really good. I'm fine. I'll go first. Oh, Linda? No, no. |
| 03:18:13.82 | Carolyn Ford | I know. |
| 03:18:18.04 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 03:18:18.12 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, next time we're going to have a report, and I will get the packet information to Debbie from... |
| 03:18:18.32 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 03:18:18.34 | Herb Weiner | So, |
| 03:18:18.49 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:18:18.53 | Herb Weiner | I've seen him before. |
| 03:18:18.97 | Carolyn Ford | What? |
| 03:18:29.19 | Carolyn Ford | a member of the community media communications my mind is going, of Marin, center of Marin. And we need to have the council take a position on what the MTA, the Marin Telecommunications Agency should do with that. We're looking at funding to keep that community media center alive. And I'll get, I think I sent the council a copy of an email regarding an article in the paper about it to give you a heads up, but there will be more. detailed information on that and we'll need to take a vote on it and i would just like to say last time i recommended that several items be on the agenda and one specifically for this time and thank you it was on there the bicycle plan um But I'd like to know if we could get another sheet from staff showing, you know, what we expect to have on the future attendance. That would be great. Thanks. |
| 03:19:50.14 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I had raised this, I think, about a year or so ago, but regarding the speeding down Alexander and the possibility of speed humps, using speed humps to slow down that traffic. Thank you. |
| 03:20:09.46 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:20:10.09 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, anyway, this is... |
| 03:20:10.71 | Herb Weiner | Anyway, this is… It is primarily, I believe, because of motorcycles is one of these. |
| 03:20:16.79 | Linda Pfeifer | But not speed bumps, speed humps. There's a 25 mile per hour speed limit there. Cavallo Point has them. Other, I'm just, it's a. Well, it's federal government. Well, we have the power to put speed humps and slow down speeding cyclists. |
| 03:20:28.33 | Herb Weiner | Well, we have the |
| 03:20:29.21 | Unknown | . |
| 03:20:31.75 | Herb Weiner | eating something. |
| 03:20:33.90 | Linda Pfeifer | Or they have those Oh, what are they? Bots? They're bots, you know, that kind of go across. They don't, they just, |
| 03:20:38.08 | Carolyn Ford | What are they? |
| 03:20:45.14 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, one other. |
| 03:20:45.19 | Carolyn Ford | Well, one other idea there is that Patrick Seidler and I'm sure David Hoffman have ideas for slowing traffic for bicyclists and so we could ask them for their input on that. So I guess, I guess, |
| 03:20:50.57 | Linda Pfeifer | Amen. |
| 03:20:57.32 | Linda Pfeifer | . So I guess the future agenda topic would be bicycle calming on South Street. And actually, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, on the intersection of Second and Main. Right where, you know, there's kind of a natural pause with the pedestrian crosswalks in there. |
| 03:21:06.94 | Unknown | I'm sorry, I'm sorry. |
| 03:21:12.35 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:21:17.30 | Linda Pfeifer | crosswalks on South Street and there are no crosswalks obviously on Alexander. So by the time they get down to you know, the intersection of Maine, I think it is Maine and Second. That's the only game in town. So to have something that would calm the cyclist traffic and the car traffic |
| 03:21:31.48 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:21:36.89 | Linda Pfeifer | You know, if we can't, looking at the stop sign or looking at a calming mechanism. So that is my future agenda item. I would appreciate if you could. Yeah. |
| 03:21:43.12 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:21:43.14 | Carolyn Ford | That is my |
| 03:21:45.09 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 03:21:45.25 | Carolyn Ford | I would appreciate if you could look at that. Yeah, I second that because I think we need to have a look all the way from the south end to Bridgeway. |
| 03:21:54.04 | Linda Pfeifer | I think it would, it's a miracle we haven't seen a life lost and I think it would save lives. And certainly save, prevent accidents. And then one of my favorite topics that I keep bringing up is the timing of the resident cards for the automated parking. When we will be getting those as opposed to the hang tags. And maybe just an update on that in general. |
| 03:21:58.73 | Unknown | I, Thank you. I agree. |
| 03:22:02.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:22.50 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 03:22:23.33 | Linda Pfeifer | So. |
| 03:22:24.19 | Herb Weiner | Any other future writer? Okay. With that, Move to adjourn. |
| 03:22:35.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:35.82 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 03:22:36.00 | Unknown | Council member. |
| 03:22:36.26 | Carolyn Ford | Council member reports I don't have any no okay I move we adjourn oh |
| 03:22:40.43 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:22:40.44 | Carolyn Ford | you |
| 03:22:40.49 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:22:40.51 | Carolyn Ford | No. Wait a minute. |
| 03:22:45.42 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:22:45.44 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:22:45.45 | Herb Weiner | Right. Thank you. |
| 03:22:46.84 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:22:46.94 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Someone wanted a, well, we can't really call it. No. There's no public comment at this time. |
| 03:22:50.74 | Carolyn Ford | No. What? |
| 03:22:55.99 | Herb Weiner | Okay, any comment on future agenda items? |
| 03:23:10.16 | Mary Kay Yamamoto | I'm Mary Kay Yamamoto with the Marin Association of Realtors. I'm the president. And I am just commenting on what Michael Rex talked about, about the Planning Commission. My understanding is that the Code Section 10.62.050 was carefully drafted years ago. in an effort to encourage preservation of non-conforming structures. The proposed and approved interpretation of Section 10.62.050A will make it more difficult to conduct a major renovation of any property that does not fully conform to current zoning standards. it will likely encourage owners to tear down their non-conforming homes rather than restore and renovate them. The Moran Association of Realtors would recommend that the City Council consider appealing the decision made by the Planning Commission. and see you to activate the legislative process to consider the issues and the impact of the staff's interpretation. I attended both the February 16th meeting and the March 16th meeting and there was not one member of the public that spoke in favor of the staff interpretation. There are an estimated 400 to 500 homes that would be affected by this decision. |
| 03:24:33.32 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. Any other comments on future agendas? |
| 03:24:38.09 | Linda Pfeifer | I would like to suggest that as a future agenda item. |
| 03:24:42.85 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, just for clarification, the City Council doesn't have the right to appeal Planning Commission decisions to itself. |
| 03:24:48.93 | Linda Pfeifer | So basically from a process standpoint then, we, someone would need to appeal the Planning Commission help me if the council |
| 03:24:58.18 | Mary Wagner | If the council wants to weigh in on the interpretation that was issued by staff and has been affirmed by the Planning Commission, |
| 03:24:58.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 03:25:04.52 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. it would need to be appealed to them. But what's going to come forward, is what I mentioned previously, is the zoning text amendment. So... |
| 03:25:09.09 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:25:12.72 | Mary Wagner | The zoning ordinance provides for these interpretations, and then it says you have to bring forward amendments for consideration. to clean up the areas that are unclear or that there's an inconsistency on. So staff is planning on bringing forward a zoning ordinance amendment to the council in the future. I will tell you, I think it's somewhat premature for staff to bring you a report in two weeks as was requested. You know, if you want to know what the interpretation is and have a consent calendar item, We could certainly do that. but I think that it's going to take some time and effort at the staff level to even get something forth for the council and the legislative committee and the planning commission or whatever process the council directs to look at and to understand. So there's an action that's been taken. I don't believe the 10 days, I don't know if the 10 days ran. I don't know when the 10 days runs. But if it's not appealed, that interpretation won't be in front of the council. But you will have the opportunity to weigh in on the proposed modifications to the zoning ordinance. |
| 03:26:28.56 | Jonathan Leone | What if a council doesn't approve or make the modifications at that time? What happens then? |
| 03:26:35.65 | Mary Wagner | then staff would ask you for other options and clarifications |
| 03:26:39.22 | Jonathan Leone | and Would that failure of the council to approve those modifications and negate the action of the Planning Commission? |
| 03:26:48.66 | Mary Wagner | Well, the action of the Planning Commission is going to stay in place until there's a change to the zoning ordinance because there's an inconsistency in the provisions, and that's why the interpretation was issued. |
| 03:27:02.33 | Jonathan Leone | Right, but I guess what I'm trying to get out of here is |
| 03:27:04.01 | Mary Wagner | If there's no action, if there's no amendment, my |
| 03:27:06.16 | Jonathan Leone | Right. |
| 03:27:08.59 | Mary Wagner | Then yes, that would be the case. belief is that there will be some modification of the section. |
| 03:27:18.29 | Carolyn Ford | Will the council have the opportunity to reverse what the planning commission has done through this process or no? |
| 03:27:30.41 | Mary Wagner | The council will have an opportunity to weigh in on all the provisions of the nonconforming ordinance and you can can change it in whatever manner you see fit, which could include a differing opinion on what is currently existing in the interpretation. So the answer is yes. Yes. Yes, but what I want you to understand is the interpretation itself |
| 03:27:49.31 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 03:27:49.37 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 03:27:49.81 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:27:54.81 | Mary Wagner | isn't coming forward to you. It'll be brought forward as information But unless it's appealed, the council won't be asked to formally approve that. interpretation that exists until the zoning code is amended. And if they're describing the process is confusing. |
| 03:28:09.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:28:09.25 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, I mean, |
| 03:28:09.98 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:28:10.03 | Carolyn Ford | explain the process. |
| 03:28:13.59 | Mary Wagner | Is there a plan to... |
| 03:28:14.58 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. amend the zoning ordinance. |
| 03:28:17.10 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 03:28:17.59 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, so at that point in time, Which may be how long? I do estimate. |
| 03:28:23.44 | Mary Wagner | I don't know. Thank you. |
| 03:28:24.54 | Carolyn Ford | I don't know. |
| 03:28:24.96 | Mary Wagner | have to ask |
| 03:28:25.52 | Carolyn Ford | A month, two months, six months a year. |
| 03:28:28.49 | Mary Wagner | I don't know. |
| 03:28:29.03 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:28:29.13 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:28:29.25 | Carolyn Ford | Oh. Okay, well, I think I... More than a month. |
| 03:28:30.31 | Mary Wagner | I can't. |
| 03:28:30.58 | Unknown | Well, |
| 03:28:30.82 | Mary Wagner | Bye. |
| 03:28:30.83 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:28:31.04 | Mary Wagner | More than a month. |
| 03:28:32.88 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, I would like to see in our consent calendar then, or however you want to get the information out to us, what the Planning Commission has done. and have some idea of what we're dealing with here. And then I'd like to know when it will be brought to council and what our possible options are. |
| 03:28:58.04 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, the spirit of these questions, Mary, is just we want, when you say weigh in, we want to be able to have the opportunity to reverse, you know, that if we disagree with the Planning Commission. |
| 03:29:14.24 | Mary Wagner | I certainly understand that Councilmember Pfeiffer and I appreciate the additional clarification I was trying to be explicit in the use of the terminology between the action that was taken by the Planning Commission and what will be coming forward in the future that was my only I'm intent there was to train indicate that there are two separate but you know, related and joined pieces of process that are going forward. |
| 03:29:47.14 | Adam Politzer | If I can just weigh in on the timing of any information coming forward to the council knowing the priorities and the workload Right now in the Community Development Department, I can tell you that we won't be able to meet the April 5th deadline the Economic Forum discussion. There's two components of that. with Dr. Eiler Cumming. The VA still remains the highest priority, and then we have some significant projects that are under review. I know with the strategic planning session this Friday and the work that's going in behind in preparation for that, that this item won't be able to make the the deadline for the packet for next Thursday. But we can aim for the 19th is probably more realistic. |
| 03:30:33.80 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:30:37.33 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:30:37.35 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 03:30:38.71 | Herb Weiner | All right. Okay, I move to adjourn. |
| 03:30:41.62 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, I think we already did, but I'll move again. Move to adjourn. |
| 03:30:43.19 | Herb Weiner | but I'll move it. |
| 03:30:43.88 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:30:43.93 | Herb Weiner | Move to a challenge. |
| 03:30:44.98 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:30:45.21 | Herb Weiner | I'm not. Bye. |
| 03:30:46.24 | Carolyn Ford | All in favor. Aye. |
| 03:30:46.39 | Herb Weiner | All in favor. Aye. |