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| 00:00:02.27 | Unknown | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Councilmember Leon? Yeah. |
| 00:00:06.26 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 00:00:06.44 | Herb Weiner | here. |
| 00:00:07.30 | Unknown | Councilmember Ford? Here. Vice Mayor Kelly? Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:00:12.06 | Herb Weiner | President. Okay, at this time here, we will be discussing an item about the Bridgeway Marine properties. and the negotiator, you can go in on there. And since we don't have any public on these closed items, we will go back and come back at 7. Thank you. |
| 00:00:34.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:34.10 | Rob Eiler | Thank you. |
| 00:00:37.46 | Linda Pfeifer | I don't think I can send you a word for the first time. Thank you. |
| 00:00:47.94 | Unknown | Excuse me, would everybody take their seat? |
| 00:00:49.04 | Herb Weiner | Everybody take this. |
| 00:00:52.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:52.56 | Herb Weiner | Bye. I'd like to welcome you to the Tuesday, April 5th, 2011 meeting. Thank you. |
| 00:01:02.60 | Herb Weiner | I guess we have a roll call. |
| 00:01:06.20 | Unknown | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Councilmember Leone? |
| 00:01:10.43 | Herb Weiner | I'm not here. |
| 00:01:11.14 | Unknown | Councilmember Ford. Here. Vice Mayor Kelly. Here. Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:01:15.65 | Herb Weiner | President. At this time here, we had a closed session. and the item was on the Bridgeway Marine Properties. At this time here, is there anybody from the public that would like to make a comment on that closed item? OK? |
| 00:01:36.44 | Herb Weiner | Next. to have the approval of the agenda. |
| 00:01:45.38 | Carolyn Ford | So moved. Second. |
| 00:01:50.50 | Herb Weiner | Okay. We have to do the pledge first, I'm sorry. |
| 00:01:54.90 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:01:55.15 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 00:01:55.42 | Mike Kelly | I THINK THE MOST. |
| 00:01:55.84 | Herb Weiner | . |
| 00:01:56.65 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:01:56.77 | Herb Weiner | . |
| 00:01:57.14 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 00:01:57.21 | Herb Weiner | you Cindy Roby, if you'd lead us in the flights, please. |
| 00:01:57.50 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:02:02.68 | Chuck Donald | just. |
| 00:02:03.02 | Herb Weiner | to the flag of the United States of America. |
| 00:02:03.10 | Chuck Donald | to the flag of the United States of America. |
| 00:02:07.02 | Herb Weiner | and to the republic for which it stands. one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Thank you. Now let's have the vote on the approval of the agenda. You got a first, we got a second, I believe. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. |
| 00:02:27.99 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:02:30.98 | Herb Weiner | you At this time here... We're going to have a special presentation, and it will be a tribute to Supervisor Charles McClashen. Um... In this order, I'd like to introduce the speakers at are going to get up first and then we will have comment from the public. First will be Amy Belzer And he was a mayor and Council person here for 17 years. Paul Albert in which Mike Kelly will read Paul was the councilman and mayor councilperson for Thank you. |
| 00:03:12.49 | Mike Kelly | What do you think? |
| 00:03:14.31 | Herb Weiner | twelve years |
| 00:03:15.88 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:03:15.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:03:15.98 | Mike Kelly | Oh. |
| 00:03:17.65 | Herb Weiner | And then I won't be there on that one. Let's hope you still are right. |
| 00:03:21.94 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Let's hope you still have a nice day. Thank you. I'll be around probably doing traffic downtown. |
| 00:03:24.08 | Herb Weiner | I'll be around probably doing traffic downtown. Dennis Freeman, I was also mayor and council person in our community. Cheryl Popp representing the Chamber of Commerce and Business Community. and Anne Montgomery. who was a Mill Valley City Manager and a residence of Sausalito. Um, |
| 00:03:48.53 | Herb Weiner | at this time here, Amy Belzer. |
| 00:03:57.14 | Amy Belzer | Well, it's hard to be here at this sort of an occasion, but I'll make a few remarks. It's very, very difficult to speak of somebody like Charles McGlashan in the past tense. Um... I mean, he was so vibrant and always in motion and just... everywhere. And I feel I have ever since I got the call last Monday morning like I'm in a state of shock, you know, like I'm stuck in neutral and you can't go from full speed ahead to dead stop. You just can't, so I'm working at it. But Charles was indomitable. He was a visionary, unwavering, determined, intelligent, kind, passionate, cheerful, Funny. and always upbeat. When you met Charles, what you took away was his smile. A smile that went from coast to coast. And that will stay in my memory forever. It's infectious. He was irresistible. No wonder he had so many friends. Um... But Charles was a whole lot more than that. He was brilliant and fearless and committed with every fiber in his body to saving the world. He came here to make change and to heal the planet and not slowly. but as fast as it could be done. nature's clock is moving His staff would say, Charles would say, We're not here to protect the status quo. We're here to make things better. I worked with him from the moment he was appointed to the Water Board, and then shortly thereafter he was elected to supervisor in 2004. But when I think of all that he's accomplished, or set in motion. It seems like he's been in office for 15 years. I mean, you know, it just goes on and on. There's a Chinese proverb that says, if you want happiness for a lifetime, help the next generation. And that was Charles. You know, always looking forward. Saving the planet. And he wanted to do it now, dragging everyone behind him sometimes was laborious, but some people don't drag well. But he's just forged on. Quitting wasn't in his vocabulary. I work with him on the tambour from its inception work with them he urged us and we did create a sustainability committee which later became a commission and we worked together on environmental legislation, Safe Routes to Schools, the Bicycle Coalition, many many things uh... though paul albert really was our bicycle and bus guy He'll probably won't speak about that. And then there were the minor projects like SMART, and the Marine Energy Authority and things like that. He got those going and they're coming to fruition some faster than others, but Charles didn't dream small dreams. He dreamed big dreams. And, So I guess that's the reason he has so much that he was able to leave behind. On a personal note, I remember so well when Charles performed the marriage ceremony for Dennis and Kamaris Freeman. Um, I don't want to steal your thunder, Dennis, but it was quite a memorable event. I think Charles wrote the service. And it was a great event for everyone there, not just the two of you. But Charles believed, as I do, that service is the rent each of us pays for living, for the very purpose of life, and not something you do in your spare time or after you've reached your personal goals. And that was said by, it's one of my favorite quotes, by Marian Wright Edelman, who was founder of the Children's Defense League. But that was Charles. There was an urgency about his stewardship of the planet. And somehow, as we look back now, I realized how important that was because we didn't have him for nearly as long as we might have. whipped out of our lives in somewhat of a hurry. Only someone like Charles, hyperactive and always in motion, could have accomplished what he did in the short time he was in that role. and the gaping vacuum that Charles leaves is a testament to the enormity of his abilities and his uncompromising commitment to make things better, at least in his view. Not everyone agreed with this, but But he had great dreams and took us a long, long way. He'll never be replaced. Someone will sit in that chair, under the shadow of a giant, and no one can replace him, really. I thought that his wife, Carol, was going to be here, and I'm sorry she isn't. I feel so sorry for her. Having to cope with such a sudden and immense loss as this is really unimaginable, so I hope everybody will sort of keep her under your wing and say a prayer now and then. I'm going to go. is really unimaginable. So I hope everybody will sort of keep her under your wing and say a prayer now and then. She is going to have a hard time, I think. Charles will live in our hearts, and his band of dedicated friends and advocates will keep marching. and keep us true to his many missions. I feel very lucky I knew him. and had the opportunity to call in friend We will not see his likes again. Charles, if you can hear me in somewhere, I believe you can. Rock on, man. Thank you. |
| 00:10:12.09 | Linda Pfeifer | I don't know. |
| 00:10:20.37 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Amy. At this time here, Vice Mayor Mike Kelly will speak on behalf of Paul Alberton. |
| 00:10:28.54 | Mike Kelly | Paul, sorry he couldn't be here tonight, but he gave these remarks. He says, to this moment, I cannot think of Charles without smiling. Whenever he entered a room, he brought a warm sense of humor. that made the people's business fun. His accomplishments were many, most notably the creation of the Marin Energy Authority. He had many, many lesser known accomplishments that greatly benefited Sausalito through his active participation in the Richardson's Bay Regional Agency, the Transit Authority of Marin, Marin County Transit District, Bay Conservation and Development Commission, and the Golden Gate Bridge Board, to name a few. of my favorite of those lesser accomplishments was helping to gain the approvals for the tour of california across the Golden Gate Bridge out of Sausalito. You probably saw those those pictures up there. and then to organize a fund raising VIP rides across the bridge before the official race. With the same gusto that he brought to all of his work, Charles and I rode across the span on that morning of the race, whooping it up and punching our fists in the air like a couple of kids. all in the pouring rain. We will all miss the accomplishments that were Charles' list of goals. but I will mostly miss his smile, his humor, infectious matter. of making public service a pleasurable honor. |
| 00:11:55.60 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Mike. |
| 00:11:58.64 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:12:01.45 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:12:01.55 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:12:01.61 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:12:01.74 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:12:01.77 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. At this time here, Dennis Greenman. |
| 00:12:07.63 | Dennis Greenman | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, council members, Adam, Mary, Debbie. Thank you for putting this together tonight. I think we've all shared a lot of tears this week. We have lost such a great friend and such a true leader that it makes it difficult. It's difficult to even be up here and deal with the reality that he's gone right now. We're here tonight not only to honor Charles and celebrate his life, but also to honor his wife, Carol. Bonnie, Zach, Zephyr, and Zoe, his dog and three cats. |
| 00:12:39.71 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:12:40.99 | Dennis Greenman | Without his family to come home to every night, Charles would not have survived as long as he did. I had the pleasure. honor and privilege to be close to Charles for most of the last decade of his life. We vacationed together yearly at Lake Tahoe, skied together. He was the expert skier, and I was the humor. As he said, follow me down a black diamond slope, and then watch the panic on my face as I hitched my way down there. |
| 00:13:07.37 | Mike Kelly | I guess my way down there. you Thank you. |
| 00:13:11.65 | Dennis Greenman | Mr. Charles and Carol were one of our closest couple friends. He married Kamara and myself in 2005, as Amy just talked about. And it was a first for him. He put his entire heart and soul into it. Took three months to meet with us, get intimate family of origin details, gave us homework assignments and deadlines for turning it in. All of this worked because that is how he approached life, giving his all, and only his best. By now, we all know his legacy. Environmental Stewardship, Marine Clean Energy Authority, Smart Train, Marine Economic Forum, the $25 million grant for non-motorized transportation, banning single-use plastic bags, strong advocacy for open space and trails, the Mirrorwood Shuttle, Animal welfare. end. Most importantly, changing the way we are in this world. And he accomplished all of this in just seven years. This work took its toll on Charles. In many ways, he was too sensitive for politics. He was perfect for us in the job. but not for himself. Charles was so enthusiastic and he cared passionately about the issues he fought for, but he was wounded with the criticism that comes with such brave and bold leadership. In many ways, he had a childhood innocence about our world. He couldn't believe that everyone couldn't be as enthusiastic and as excited as he was about caring for the environment. There was a ritual Charles had every night coming home. Bonnie, his dog. would hear his car and wait at the top of the stairs. When Charles entered, It was only about the love of a man and his dog. Then Carol and the cats would join and everything was complete. |
| 00:14:55.38 | Mike Kelly | Yes. |
| 00:14:57.41 | Dennis Greenman | Partly because of his sensitivity is why Charles loves Sausalito so much. He felt understood and cared for here. He loved the diversity of our population, and he was loved back. He was the first to point out that in his initial election in 2004, Sausalito voters backed him with the highest percentage of any southern Marin town. Don't tell Mill Valley, but he would have loved to live here. |
| 00:15:20.51 | Mike Kelly | . |
| 00:15:21.68 | Dennis Greenman | just like him. |
| 00:15:21.71 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:15:24.92 | Dennis Greenman | Although it would be most difficult for him to leave the beautiful redwoods around his home in Mill Valley. Charles recognized true leadership was at the local level. City councils, staff, board of supervisors make the real differences. My request to each of you on the Council. is to select at least one of the issues the trial was focused upon and make it your focus. As citizens, if each of us could remember the values important to Charles and mirror those as we make our decisions, his legacy will live on and Charles will be smiling from heaven with that smile right there. I'd like to end with a blessing that Charles and Carol used for their wedding. They were married on November 2, 2002. It's called the Chinook Blessing. We call upon those who have lived on this earth our ancestors, and our friends. who dream the best for future generations, and upon whose lives our lives are built. And with thanksgiving, we call upon them to teach us and show us the way. We call upon all that we hold most sacred. the presence and power of the great spirit of love and truth which flows throughout all of the universe. to be with us, to teach us and show us the way. Let Charles continue to show us the way. Thank you. |
| 00:16:49.44 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:16:51.75 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:16:54.13 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Dennis. Ann Montgomery. You know, Ann was a city manager in Mill Valley, but knew it was better to live here in Sausalito. |
| 00:17:07.30 | Mike Kelly | . |
| 00:17:10.38 | Ann Montgomery | Thank you. I wasn't really prepared to speak, but I'm happy to say something in memory of Charles. I think that having been acquainted with him and became personal friends with him during my tenure in Mill Valley. at which time Carol was also the sustainability director for city of Mill Valley I can think of No two people who have further advanced the environmental causes that we're all so grateful for here in Marin. and I am so grateful for his legacy and Hope that we can continue that tradition. Thank you. |
| 00:17:45.57 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:17:45.59 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. At this time here, I'd like to show a pop. Sorry. I was never known for doing things in order. |
| 00:17:56.61 | Cheryl Popp | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:17:59.34 | Herb Weiner | Sorry. |
| 00:17:59.41 | Cheryl Popp | It's okay. I'll get you back. |
| 00:18:01.14 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:18:01.95 | Cheryl Popp | Mr. Mayor. Thank you. . Oh, my God. Our esteemed city council members, city staff, and everyone who's gathered here this evening to pay tribute to Charles. I'm honored to have been asked to speak a few words about this remarkable man on behalf of the Saucelator Chamber of Commerce. |
| 00:18:05.73 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:18:05.75 | Linda Pfeifer | All right. |
| 00:18:05.84 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:18:05.97 | Linda Pfeifer | You got my back. |
| 00:18:22.69 | Cheryl Popp | In addition to knowing Charles through the chamber and a wide range of community projects over the years, he was my boss for a while and a very dear friend. Many words have been used to describe Charles this evening. Visionary, compassionate, inspirational, highly intelligent, enthusiastic, animated and energetic, courageous. He was all those, and he was also an articulate activist, a passionate advocate, an avid environmentalist. He was ethical, patient, caring, unwavering, innovative, Clearly, he was enormously talented, a vibrant persona, and a leader amongst leaders. |
| 00:19:17.67 | Cheryl Popp | More importantly, he was also my hero. And there simply aren't a lot of those today. I was in awe when I first heard him speak. A politician who made sense. It wasn't just his politics, it was his rational and articulate, thoughtful analysis, his honest assessment of the pros and cons, his integrity, all laced with an obvious passion for all that he did. I marveled, actually, that someone so damn smart was a public servant. Most people with his intelligence won't dedicate their lives to public service because it simply doesn't pay well enough. |
| 00:19:59.45 | Cheryl Popp | You're... |
| 00:20:00.59 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:20:00.96 | Cheryl Popp | Thank you. |
| 00:20:00.97 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 00:20:01.48 | Cheryl Popp | Ha ha ha ha. Working with Charles, I always came away motivated. My consciousness elevated a notch. He was always positive and upbeat, regardless of the adversaries we faced, but also pragmatic. He knew when to hold him, he knew when to fold him, He... One of the most important lessons that I learned from him was how to be both strong and gentle in business negotiations. He had, as his aide, Leslie Alden, said, the fearless paint-my-face-blue Scottish warrior and also Zen Buddhist about him, which is a brilliant combination. And then of course there was what I called the biggest grin in Marin. You could not help but like this guy, and he was a politician. Charles was my hero and my friend, but just as importantly, he was a friend to business and certainly to Sausalito, our chamber, and our merchants. He came into town and supported our bi-local campaign. He took advantage of the Twilight Tuesday dining specials that our restaurants featured a year ago. He spoke at our business leader meetings, supported our fundraisers and events, and was always lending an ear to hear about our issues. He was, as you heard, a huge supporter of the Amgen Tour of California bike race, which Sausalito hosted for four consecutive years, recognizing the economic and PR value it brought to the community, as well as the fact that it promoted a healthy, green mode of transportation. One of the things that really resonated with me and many of our business leaders was that his tremendous environmental stewardship was always balanced by a keen business sense. We needed to proactively protect the environment, but it had to make some economic sense or it simply wouldn't happen. He wanted a sustainable future on all fronts. Yes, we want clean energy and a healthy environment, but also a healthy economy. And the two can, in fact, coexist. The other thing that made him a great leader and a great businessman in my mind is that he wasn't afraid, as Amy said, to challenge the status quo. like all great business leaders I've known. He thought outside the box. And he didn't just think or talk about paradigm shifts. He made them happen. You've heard this evening about many of his environmental initiatives, SMART, Marine Clean Energy, the bag ban. He also spearheaded the Marine Economic Forum, a public-private partnership to ensure economic vitality in our county, And Sausalito was one of the first communities to take advantage of the program and its support. We're somewhat of the poster child, I think, for this organization, and when our much-anticipated report is published, we're going to have to share it with Charles no matter where he is. I also want to take a moment and talk about what he did for our culture, the arts, historical preservation and important social programs here in Sausalito that also enhance our quality of life, which in turn help ensure a healthy economy. Charles was a huge supporter of the performing stars of Marin and Marin City, the Sausalito Film Festival, the Phoenix Project, which is for young, at-risk males, the Sausalito Historical Society, Discovery Museum, Friends of the Sausalito Library, who is always running intervention for our floating home association. He sponsored the Marin City Blues Jazz and Soul Party and the Sausalito Art Festival, both Labor Day weekend. He sponsored the documentary on marineship memories, as well as the Tuskegee Airmen Tribute on Veterans Day every year. He touched so many lives with his generous spirit and really did make a difference. In seven short years, he accomplished so very much. And he loved what he did. He was the consummate community servant. And while I know we're all angry that he left us so soon, We were so fortunate to have him for as long as we did. This personal loss for me and many others There's also a huge loss for Sausalito and Marin County, But in my mind, for the planet, Because the legacy Charles launched went that far. It was global. What we're doing in Marin can be a model and template for others to follow elsewhere. And since Charles, as you know, was an advocate for renewable energy, on his behalf, I would like to urge all of our civic leaders and citizens to keep renewing his energy in all that you do. Let's make a personal commitment to continue the legacy he's gifted us. Charles was also a devoted husband and a fun-loving guy, a real person with a real dog, Bonnie, who he adored, He loved a real bike ride or a real hike up Mount Tam. He was a very approachable human man. One of the projects we worked on together was a flagpole to ferry shuttle service between Mill Valley and Sausalito. It made environmental sense. You get people out of their cars. It was good for both economies and local merchants. And it was, as Charles noted, a great way for him to have a few glasses of wine in Sausalito and not have to drive home. He loved a good party, and if he were here this evening, and, even if he isn't, we're going to. If we had wine, we would raise a toast to him right now, and he would appreciate that. In closing, Rather than his light dimming, let's think of Charles as a brightly lit beacon urging us onward, a guiding light. you And that when we get it right, |
| 00:25:42.04 | Cheryl Popp | When we dream the impossible dream, when we climb to the peak of what seemed an insurmountable mountain, |
| 00:25:45.71 | Carolyn Ford | that. |
| 00:25:47.91 | Cheryl Popp | and when we stay true to our values and fight for what's right, He will be right by our side with the biggest grin in Marin saying, right on, you rock. |
| 00:26:07.60 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Cheryl. At this time here, I would invite Leslie Alden to come up. |
| 00:26:18.38 | Leslie Alden | I don't know if I'm gonna get through this, but I'm so touched by all of these comments and the outpouring that Carol and our office have experienced in the last week plus of just support and love and affection and accolades has just, thank you, thank you Herb, has just made this bearable. As I said at the Board of Supervisors last week, I just stole my line. But you gave me credit, so thank you. He did not, you know, see himself as someone just to manage the status quo, to maintain the status quo. We are here as leaders, all of us who work in policy are, you know, what our job is, is to move forward, to see ahead, to see what the next generation is going to need from us now. And that's really the definition of sustainability. |
| 00:26:46.26 | Linda Pfeifer | But, |
| 00:27:15.54 | Leslie Alden | Um, It is taking care of our own needs now without damaging the ability of future generations to take care of their needs. And he believed that in his core. I was not going to speak tonight, but I thank you for the opportunity. Carol did want to be here tonight very much. She wanted to come to all of these remembrances and tried. She really did want to come. She didn't go to Mill Valleys last night either. And she asked me to thank all of you for providing this opportunity to remember Charles so kindly, so sweetly, and with such passion as well. She really wanted me to tell all of you that, so please accept her gratitude. and our office's gratitude on behalf of our boss, who we still work for and will continue to work for. One of the things that I said last week to the board, and it was very spontaneous, a little bit like this. You know, Charles was the extemporaneous speaker, and I think I'm channeling a little of that right now. You know, we lost the thousand-watt smile in our presence now, but all of us, perhaps less luminous in our own way, together we can do what we know we should be doing. And we can do it with compassion. and conviction and a sense of humor. And I think the one thing that I'd like to leave everyone with, as well as all these wonderful, I couldn't say any of it better than all of you did. And I thank you so much. But he was considerate. He was considered of other ideas he disagreed with, he listened A friend of his who was in school with him at Stanford sent me an email this morning and talked about that, that he could take an idea in its infancy and nurture it. and see that it wasn't quite ready to be launched yet or born, but could give it what it needed to get there and then And I'm not quoting her all that well, but then allow it to spring forward. And he and I didn't always agree, and lots of people didn't always agree with him, but he was always able to hear my side. And he'd sometimes say, you know, you're wasting your breath. Is this a song? |
| 00:29:33.98 | Unknown | It's a song. |
| 00:29:34.99 | Leslie Alden | And I say, no, no, no, no, no, hear me out. And you go. Okay. Okay. And I would, you know, I'd make my case and sometimes he'd say, well, are you done? And I'd say, okay, fine, I'm done. And other times he would say, you know what, I'm going to think about that. And I know that in every case, he was analytical, he was thoughtful, I don't think anyone I've ever met, and I've met some pretty A-type personalities, I don't think I've ever met anyone who worked as hard, who thought as deeply, Thank you. as carefully and when he came to a conclusion it was a very considered Thoughtful one. based not on gut, not on emotion, not on philosophy, but on real ideas and data and science, and hard science. And so I carry that forward too, that need to not just react, but to be thoughtful, to consider not only each other, to be considerate of the planet that we share, and all the other living things on here. He was, of course, at his heart an environmentalist, but that encompasses so much more. You know, we talk about the three E's, the economy, the environment, and equity. He also had animals and transportation in there. But those three E's are really kind of at the core of sustainability. We need to make all of those pieces work in order to not just make it work for the immediate term, but for the long term. So again, I thank all of you on behalf of Carroll and the county. And my dear friend and colleague, Cindy Roby, would you come up here with me? Please do. It's been a joy. I feel gratitude more than loss right now, although the loss comes in waves. Hi, sweetie. Yeah, we were lucky. We were very lucky. We are lucky still because they'll always be in our heart. Exactly right. |
| 00:31:23.08 | Kate Flavin | We are lucky still. |
| 00:31:24.44 | Matthew Stewart | AND I THINK IT'S A |
| 00:31:24.51 | Kate Flavin | Yeah. |
| 00:31:24.53 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. Exactly right. |
| 00:31:28.39 | Leslie Alden | Thank you all. |
| 00:31:29.58 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Leslie. Thank you. Is Maureen Patton, is she here? At this time here, I'd like to open it up for public comment on this. Would anybody like to speak from the public on? about Charles? |
| 00:32:00.37 | Herb Weiner | Okay, let's bring it up here. Michael Rex. |
| 00:32:07.60 | Michael Rex | I had the pleasure of working with Charles on a number of projects and transportation was a big one and we shared ideas on the Marine Economic Forum. And I want to pass on one of my fondest memories of Charles. We got together at his office a while back and we were talking about transportation and marine clean energy. And we talked about this idea that Marine Clean Energy was making money. surprisingly amount of money and I mean that it could pay off its loans in the first year is indicative of that. And we talked about that money could actually begin to support and subsidize and fund the means of producing our own energy locally. And then we shifted gears and we started talking about what if some of that money would subsidize electric transportation? that could start powering our own electric vehicles and power our electric shuttles and even our trolleys. And we could not only create our own power, but define our own transportation here in Miranda. And that transportation system would guide and shape our land use. Thank you. Leslie talked about the three E's. capture all of them. combine all of them. And there was this moment where this vision came into focus. And we stopped talking. And Charles sat back in his chair and I could just see the wheels turning in his head. And his eyes started to twinkle, and then his face lit up with that smile. And right then, we just kind of knew there was a vision for our future that was more profound than we knew. that we had thought before. And, um, And then on Clean Energy, we were on a subcommittee together called Targeted Industries. And this was just a week before he died. sitting across the table from him. And we started talking about let this group could do. And we concluded what it should pursue is how to incubate incubators. Incubators aren't for chickens necessarily, but how to encourage startups in different fields. And again, a vision came into focus where Um, Just again, as you said, Leslie, He could figure out how to nurture an idea. so it could grow. It'd be like a farmer planting seeds. And so, I think that's where his leadership was truly brilliant. incubate incubators. You know, that gave us a clarity that we could run with. And I think that's what I'm hearing tonight, that the best way to remember him, is to nurture those seeds. Thank you. |
| 00:35:18.26 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 00:35:18.28 | Michael Rex | Bye. |
| 00:35:18.32 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:35:18.38 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 00:35:18.52 | Michael Rex | All right. |
| 00:35:18.97 | Herb Weiner | Oh. |
| 00:35:19.24 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:35:20.31 | Herb Weiner | I'm not. Thank you, Michael. Um, At this time here, I'd like to share that the city is going to be planting a tree dedicated to the memory of Charles McGlashan in one of our community parks. That's number one. Number two, we have three living plants, and these gifts are for Carol, Leslie, and Maureen, and they're over here. Um, at this time here. Would anybody from the public like to make any comment at this time? Then I'll bring it, okay. There's another will be up here. |
| 00:36:01.28 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:36:01.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:01.72 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:36:01.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:06.38 | Unknown | All right. just make this very brief, but my mom worked for Charles for about two years and she loved his exuberance for life, his exuberance for ideas and dreams that so many people here have talked about. But about four and a half years ago, my mom got sick. and she may not like me telling the public that, Um, she's luckily okay and But Charles and his great staff And so many people at the county said, you know, we'll do anything to help your mom get a full recovery. And I will never, ever forget that. And he was just a great, great guy. He's still here in spirit and in life and Thank you. You know, we need to keep his memory alive. Thank you all for that. |
| 00:37:01.41 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:37:06.53 | Leslie Alden | I think I was so taken by what everyone else was saying that I didn't also say to all of you, council, staff, citizens, that we're still working for you on your behalf, on all the projects that were already set in motion, and on all of the projects that are being incubated. There's a considerable number. And I want you to know that nothing has stopped. We don't have Charles, but we know what he was going to say. We know how he thinks. Thinks. I can't quite do this past tense thing. |
| 00:37:40.82 | Unknown | Thank you. And whomever comes in, We'll have very big shoes to sell. But, um, Marie, I can't, I'm sorry. |
| 00:37:52.76 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:37:53.97 | Unknown | Maureen and I will make sure that that person is really fully briefed and supported completely and that the work of the district and our office continues and that we support all of you. Because he really truly did love Sausalito the best. It's true. |
| 00:38:13.16 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm so sorry. |
| 00:38:14.49 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:38:14.53 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 00:38:20.85 | Herb Weiner | Okay, at this time here, I'd like to bring it up to our council. And I think I'm going to go right, on my right, and let Jonathan go first. Okay, Linda. |
| 00:38:30.93 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:38:33.93 | Herb Weiner | then I'm going to go that way, this way. |
| 00:38:37.37 | Linda Pfeifer | I want to thank everyone who spoke tonight and shared your memories and thoughts of Charles' work. It's a tragedy that we lost Charles so young. In his honor, I went to one of his favorite nonprofits in the spirit of what Dennis mentioned with regards to his legacy. I went to Wild Care. and I purchased an adoption sponsorship for an injured red-tailed hawk in Charles' name. And I know that, like this red-tailed hawk, I know that Charles is soaring over us and he's looking down. And, um... He is with us here as we share our thoughts and memories of such a bold spirit. |
| 00:39:35.96 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:39:40.49 | Carolyn Ford | Certainly. Yes, I did not know Supervisor McClash and Charles well. But I admired his dedication and his perseverance of his vision for Marin. He raised the awareness level for environmental protection, for which we can all be thankful. He also struck me as a very congenial and energetic person, which you've all said numerous times here tonight. My heart goes out to his family, his friends, and close associates. And I would like to thank Amy Belser, Dennis Scrimmon, Cheryl Popp, and all of those who spoke. about him this evening. It was very revealing and I treasure that. And I'd also like to thank our city manager, Adam Pulitzer, for setting this up. Thank you. |
| 00:40:39.33 | Unknown | You won't. |
| 00:40:39.78 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:40:40.76 | Unknown | to the future. Thank you. |
| 00:40:41.72 | Jonathan Leone | Um... Actually, can you come back to me? Okay. And then I'll read you last. |
| 00:40:50.43 | Mike Kelly | From the very first moment that I met Charles, which was over, I had just gotten elected, and he called me up and wanted to talk about Sausalito. And we met in a small cafe over here. And he couldn't keep still. He had so many ideas. He just bounced the whole time. And that is how I remember him in almost every circumstance. I could be sitting on the board of TAM, and it would be quiet and demure, and inward walk Charles, and the room would become electrified. And he just sat there. He was a presence. He was a force of nature. I didn't always agree with him. He knew that. But nonetheless, we loved each other. And I want to tell you that we're going to miss him tremendously. And it's going to be very, very tough to find someone who can fill his shoes. But I think there may be somebody that can do that. Thank you. And as far as Charles's presence here, he lives in each of us. And that's the best way we can remember him, is to think about him when we are doing our daily business, either for the city or the county or in our jobs or whatever, And the environment. Every time you see a bicycle go by, every time you hear about the smart train, every time you hear about the marine energy, think Charles. And Charles, he exemplified the best, I think, there is in the environmental movement. And he was cheerleader for it, and he was unabashedly unashamed to be that. And so I miss him, I respect him enormously, and I wish the best to Carol and to the whole family of people that were surrounded by him. And I know that it's very difficult. It was difficult for me to hear about his passing, and I know how that affects everybody. So I can only say that going forward, each of us should keep Charles' spirit alive. |
| 00:42:45.17 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:42:45.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:42:45.20 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:42:48.47 | Unknown | Um. So, excuse me. |
| 00:42:55.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:42:55.56 | Jonathan Leone | Why don't you go? |
| 00:42:56.79 | Herb Weiner | I'll be very brief. |
| 00:42:59.88 | Jonathan Leone | I'm trying to think about ground beef. |
| 00:42:59.91 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:43:00.64 | Linda Pfeifer | That'll be |
| 00:43:01.13 | Herb Weiner | Well, he certainly was a dedicated public servant, and we should all be very aware of how much of a public servant he was. |
| 00:43:01.18 | Jonathan Leone | or something. |
| 00:43:01.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:43:02.16 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 00:43:02.97 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 00:43:03.14 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:43:11.80 | Herb Weiner | He had humor. He was... as he was a leader in environmental He taught me about environmental things coming out of a gas station of all places. |
| 00:43:25.14 | Mike Kelly | I'm not sure. |
| 00:43:27.71 | Herb Weiner | But his energy definitely had an effect on me. as the oldest member up here. I can say that sometimes it calls for some words of thought and wisdom, and I can only tell you that. my thinking allow us that it's kind of like a mirror theory where They put the word human being up in front of a mirror. And then I realized that we're really not human beings. It's in reverse. We're attempting at being human. And that's one quality that I will say Charles McClashen had. He was very, very much a human. and have the ability to live in the present. And therefore, His visions weren't really that far in the future. He realized that He had to represent the next generation so they could enjoy it even better than we did. So Sausalito really has lost a very, very good friend. He was very dedicated. help Sausalito in any way he could. So, uh, I will miss him, and I believe we will miss him in the city. Thank you. |
| 00:44:43.05 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:44:43.07 | Unknown | So I've known Charles McClashen since I was 18. And he was a... |
| 00:44:54.61 | Unknown | All right. So he was the captain of the crew team in college when I was on it. He was a few years older than I was. And we were both a lot lighter, as you can tell from these pictures back in the day. But Charles, was a person that people rallied around, even at a young age. And that's, that continued. It's not just his personality, I think it was his vision of how to bring people together. And that, I think, continued on through life. But even at that age, I was so impressed with him, I gave him my cap and shirt from my high school crew team. |
| 00:45:33.71 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:45:33.73 | Unknown | as a gift when he |
| 00:45:35.03 | Jonathan Leone | when Hittie graduated. After that time, our lives parted. We went different directions, and I was surprised to find him involved in politics here in Marin when he surfaced on the waterboard And we bonded in 2004 again by both being on the campaign trail. He being successful, me not so much that year. Yeah. |
| 00:45:54.27 | Unknown | uh, |
| 00:45:55.26 | Jonathan Leone | But we both took our shots from people like Mike and Amy or Andrew Thompson in his case and lived to survive. It was a pleasure serving with him on various boards and commissions, the Energy Authority back when it wasn't anything. Um, and he had to, Another picture in that round with that green thing is he was desperate to have someone else stand up on that podium with him who was an elected official and no one would do And he called me and said, Jonathan, you just got to show off. and stand up here when it was first announced that we were going to do this. And being the RBRA that meets in these chambers is in representing the folks who have |
| 00:46:33.97 | Unknown | have very little voice to live out on the bay. And I think one of the things that Even though he was an environmental champion, he was a champion of people. His work with Marin City, I think... goes beyond what most people would expect the county supervisor to have done. and he got me involved in that as well. Uh. |
| 00:47:05.58 | Unknown | Thanks, you're making me more nervous. |
| 00:47:07.67 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:47:07.82 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 00:47:07.94 | Jonathan Leone | I guess. |
| 00:47:09.33 | Mike Kelly | I'm sorry. |
| 00:47:10.41 | Jonathan Leone | I have a way to do it. It's like Dr. Herb up here. Just relax. I'm just going to drill that one, two. |
| 00:47:10.42 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:47:14.88 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 00:47:17.70 | Jonathan Leone | Uh, But, uh, No, I mean, he was the only person who would call you dude in a public meeting and say what a bummer it was that, you know, this bill didn't pass the legislature in a public meeting. And it was also his California roots, as I used to tease him, but also just his way of making things that were a little bit more serious than that, not so serious that they would overwhelm people, including himself. And I think as Dennis said, |
| 00:47:43.41 | Unknown | you |
| 00:47:43.68 | Jonathan Leone | underneath that |
| 00:47:44.97 | Unknown | of toughness. He was a uh, soft guy. And I think that was the hard part for him in politics, but something he was willing to pay that price to do what he wanted to have accomplished. |
| 00:48:02.45 | Unknown | and I agree with folks on the shoes, not so much to give a friend of mine. We didn't go out much. I don't go out at all. I've got two little kids. Between this and home, I don't go out. |
| 00:48:12.93 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:48:13.22 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:48:13.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:13.25 | Linda Pfeifer | That's it. |
| 00:48:13.27 | Unknown | That's it. |
| 00:48:14.28 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:48:14.30 | Unknown | you |
| 00:48:14.45 | Jonathan Leone | Um, |
| 00:48:14.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:15.61 | Jonathan Leone | But more as far as seeing meetings and socializing afterwards was always a pleasure. But I think we have huge shoes to fill. |
| 00:48:23.98 | Unknown | not because I liked him as a person, but more you know, don't kid yourself. People, county supervisors can't go to Washington and bring back $25 million, you know, from... That is really unusual. Charles had cemented himself in Sacramento |
| 00:48:41.03 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:48:41.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:41.18 | Jonathan Leone | You can do it. |
| 00:48:41.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:41.72 | Jonathan Leone | and he'd submit himself into San Francisco And he cemented himself into Washington. He knew how to get things done. And for a county supervisor of a county of 250,000 people, I mean, we like to think we're super important here in Marin County. In some ways, we are. But... Man, that's an accomplishment. just in and of itself. You go to most of the other counties in this country and that ain't gonna happen. So that was a testament to his efforts and his perseverance. Um, |
| 00:49:16.46 | Jonathan Leone | But I was just in Leslie's office yesterday, and they are still working for you, and still pushing Charles' agenda. And we were discussing things and how to keep them moving forward, not arguing around the same page. but discussing the figure and how to keep moving some of these initiatives forward, like putting a memorial underneath the overpass down here to honor the fellow that died. That was important, and we're going to keep pushing this. |
| 00:49:35.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:44.97 | Unknown | through. |
| 00:49:46.32 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:49:47.65 | Unknown | So I'd just like to think we were lucky to know him. And that's the way life is. You enjoy it while you can, and take the good things with the bad. And we need to keep moving forward on the initiatives he was pushing for. And remember, him as a person. as even if you'd... |
| 00:50:08.03 | Jonathan Leone | Who agrees with everybody? I mean, I don't know why we keep saying this, but nobody agrees with everyone all the time. |
| 00:50:09.91 | Unknown | saying this Bye. |
| 00:50:12.54 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:50:12.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:50:12.84 | Jonathan Leone | I don't know. |
| 00:50:12.98 | Unknown | really didn't agree with Charles a lot of the time, but But I admired him for his willing to listen, his willing to reason things through. |
| 00:50:19.04 | Jonathan Leone | there's no way you can but I would always try to support what he had to do because it was something that was meaningful for all of us even if it was painful to swallow in the short term for some and I think we need to as Dennis and some others have said keep remembering the high points of his personality and also the things that he brought to bear for such a in such a short period of time really if you consider how slowly politics moves and things move Thank you. of his personality and also the things that he brought to bear in such a short period of time, really, if you consider how slowly politics moves and things move, those initiatives to respect the environment, to respect each other. It's not us and them. It's all us. And that was, I think, his two core philosophies that I'll try to carry forward. |
| 00:51:02.81 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. At this time here, I'm going to close this and have a moment of silence for Charles McGlashan, please. |
| 00:51:29.89 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. Also, there's a couple of things. I'd like to... adjourned this meeting in his honor, so we will do that. And at this time here, we're going to take a five-minute break. All right. Thank you. |
| 00:52:12.67 | Herb Weiner | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:52:16.33 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Ready, Debbie? Okay. At this time here, I'd like to see if there's any public comments on anything that is not on our agenda. Alf? |
| 00:52:33.36 | Alf News | Thank you. |
| 00:52:38.15 | Alf News | Thank you, Mr. Oh, Elf News, 443 Cable Roadway, Sausalito. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council Members. At the risk of sort of replicating the movie Groundhog Day and... |
| 00:52:38.90 | Herb Weiner | Well, fish. |
| 00:52:48.41 | Alf News | Because I'm a firm believer in the notion of benign water torture, I'm here to remind you again about the situation of the abandoned vehicle at 50 cable roadway. the uh... We were given copies of minutes from a 1975 council meeting. Apparently there was an encroachment permit there that was revoked by vote of council. We are now under the belief that that is in fact public property. There is an abandoned vehicle there. We would urge you to urge city council to have the matter resolved as soon as possible, if in fact that is the case and the minutes are correct. On an accompanying note, I want to express a lot of gratitude to Sorcerito Police Department. We complain at them when they give us tickets, but one particular gentleman, Lieutenant, I hope I'm pronouncing his name correctly, Curtis Goog, has taken responsibility for this. He's acted as an independent ombudsman on the issue. He's applied the appropriate due diligence to the issue, and he's a fine civil servant. So we thank him for taking the matter into his hands. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:53:59.19 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Al. The next I have one is a Larry Hulick? Did I pronounce it right? |
| 00:54:09.24 | Larry Hulick | Thank you for the opportunity. After hearing the accolades for Charles, whom I did not know, it's kind of odd that I hear I am from the sublime to the mundane and going from the heavens into the earth. And when I say earth, that's a literal term. I'm here to talk about street construction, endless street construction, at the intersection of Harrison and Santa Rosa. It's been going on for over a year. It's a private venture. And I've talked to the public works people, and they tell me since it's a private venture, the city has no real control over it. However, it seems to me the council should take or should instruct the public works department to exercise some oversight, because this construction, and it is summarized in a letter that you have in front of you written by Billy Rosenberg of 117 Harrison, and I'll just quickly summarize it. It's simply that the end of her driveway was removed, replaced by metal plates, making it difficult for her to exit and enter her garage. Her garden, part of her garden has been buried under some construction equipment. Her automobile was damaged by some of the construction equipment, and her house and windows have a film of dirt. So we are appealing to the Council to exercise some authority here to instruct the Public Works Department to exercise oversight and put pressure on both the construction company, CMGI, and the private owners who are funding this street construction in order to bury some cables and utility lines. It has been a mess for over a year. Parking is restricted. It's about 100 feet on Harrison, about 125 feet on Santa Rosa, and the parking is very limited. And it is an issue that should be addressed by the Council, and I hope sooner rather than later. Thank you for your attention. |
| 00:56:14.78 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. As you know, we're not allowed to speak back out. Adam, do we have any comment on that? |
| 00:56:22.42 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, the Public Works Department is actively working on this and meeting with the property owners and with the contractors, and they are trying to expedite the completion of this project as we speak. |
| 00:56:23.18 | Herb Weiner | Public Works Department is |
| 00:56:34.13 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. The next person we have, Martha Stewart. |
| 00:56:38.96 | Mike Kelly | I love the soup. |
| 00:56:40.26 | Herb Weiner | Hmm. |
| 00:56:40.65 | Mike Kelly | I |
| 00:56:40.78 | Linda Pfeifer | Woohoo! |
| 00:56:44.34 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:56:45.68 | Herb Weiner | Should I say Nathan Stewart? I don't know. |
| 00:56:46.22 | Matthew Stewart | Exactly. Matthew, Matthew Stewart. |
| 00:56:48.61 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:56:50.62 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 00:56:50.76 | Herb Weiner | Okay, Matthew. All right, well, it gets a play on words. |
| 00:56:55.03 | Matthew Stewart | I get that a lot. |
| 00:56:55.67 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. a lot. |
| 00:56:56.97 | Mike Kelly | . Thank you. you |
| 00:56:59.60 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. First, I'd like to say I'm very sorry to hear about the loss. I didn't know Charles, but I feel like I know him now a little bit. And I'm here today because I'm a musician here in Sausalito and Um... I'm here on behalf of a lot of other musicians too. It seems like there's no permit to perform in this place that I'm speaking of in general, is the Yi Tak Chi Park. And I've been performing there for a year, and I'm a resident in Pier 39 and Santa Monica, and they have programs for musicians to where you perform essentially for tourists and things like that. And you're able to sell CDs, and you're able to help tourism here. I lived on Bridgeway for years and that's why I really had that idea. Tourists really love it, and they just sit out there and enjoy the music, and I think it adds a lot to the city. And the other day I got stopped by a police officer after a year, and he said that I needed to come down here and speak with someone for a permit. And I found out that there is no permit for music or for even selling CDs. So I feel like there's a little miss. There's not a communication between law enforcement and what can be done. So I wanted to just speak about that and see if maybe we could start some kind of an organization, somebody heading it. I mean, I would be happy to help out with it. I know all the musicians that do it anyways. So they perform there anyways. And so they're always at, you know, they're always on the watch for the police. And I think it would just add a lot more to the city and for the musicians to be able to play. So I think hopefully that will play for you guys. Thank you. |
| 00:59:03.09 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you, Matthew. Remember that. |
| 00:59:04.52 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 00:59:08.51 | Herb Weiner | Okay. This time here, I don't have any other names. Yes. |
| 00:59:16.20 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, on that item, the gentleman is correct that we don't have a permit for musicians to play there legally. We received several complaints and that was why he was visited by our police department to enforce that they don't allow music there unpermanent. So if the gentleman would like to pursue this, one of the opportunities would be to go to the park and rec commission. and talk to the Park and Recreation Department to see about opportunities that we have at our various events where we have street events and parades and other Friday night opportunities that are down at Gabrielson Park and then if they want to pursue other avenues to perform, that would be the appropriate place to start. |
| 01:00:07.99 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Adam. OK. |
| 01:00:11.15 | Adam Politzer | And |
| 01:00:11.35 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Is there any other public comment? I don't see the name. OK, then we'll move right on to. Is Chef Tell here? little Emeril Lagasse, you see? Okay. |
| 01:00:25.34 | Unknown | Sorry Nathan, I couldn't resist. |
| 01:00:27.48 | Herb Weiner | Can I have approval of the minutes of the council meeting on February 15, 2011? |
| 01:00:34.80 | Linda Pfeifer | Oh, yeah. So move. . |
| 01:00:38.23 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:01:00.61 | Carolyn Ford | you |
| 01:01:03.54 | Jonathan Leone | If you can point out in the transcripts. |
| 01:01:08.28 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. What I would like to say is that I... |
| 01:01:11.83 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:01:12.03 | Mike Kelly | that I am. |
| 01:01:16.03 | Carolyn Ford | I would like to have the last sentence changed to read that it was a consensus of the city to approve the concept of an ad hoc group as presented by the mayor, a formal city committee to be formed later. And the reason I'm saying that, it is from the language, I had had a problem issue with it not being a formal committee. And at... the language on page 4 of 4 here. I said, I think. this has to be a task force and then i went and you herb said all right and i said because of our city ordinances and uh and then herb you jumped in and said no that's fine with me i really don't care um what my thought was was this could not be a formal committee i do support the concept of a group but I want to follow city ordinances when we appoint a committee and so that was my concern and I spoke with our mayor after that and we agreed that yes it's not a an official city committee that it is a think tank, if you will. It is not a formal committee because, A, we don't have a clear mission. We don't have the members have not been appointed by the city council. And we would need to have that to be to be legal in terms of our city ordinances. So to preclude any misunderstandings and to reflect my support of the America's Cup Committee, and my concern about the following about following city ordinances, I would like this sentence to be modified to read. It was the consensus of the city council to approve the concept of an ad hoc group as presented by the mayor and not to appoint a formal city committee. Thank you. |
| 01:03:46.00 | Jonathan Leone | Oh Adam there's a motion on the floor called a motion |
| 01:03:46.30 | Carolyn Ford | of. |
| 01:03:46.57 | Dennis Greenman | Thank you. |
| 01:03:56.39 | Linda Pfeifer | Oh, a second. |
| 01:03:57.19 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. No, yeah, no, but... Okay, second. Are you just going to second it? What's... I'll second it and call the motion from Mike's motion. |
| 01:04:02.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:04:02.13 | Mike Kelly | with the |
| 01:04:02.33 | Linda Pfeifer | I'll second. Oh. |
| 01:04:05.86 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:04:05.89 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. I'm not. Just to clarify. Are we voting on approval of these minutes with the edits as suggested by Councilmember Ford? |
| 01:04:17.30 | Mike Kelly | about. So what? Because the minutes are the minutes are the minutes. And you don't go back and change the minutes because the testimony was the testimony was the testimony. So going forward, that's on the new minutes, okay? |
| 01:04:18.04 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. So what |
| 01:04:19.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:30.40 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, I understand that this is supposed to reflect what was discussed at the time. I'd like to... |
| 01:04:36.40 | Linda Pfeifer | It's a natural trace of the United States. |
| 01:04:38.66 | Linda Pfeifer | I know. I understand that. I just want to hear if Council Member Ford is happy with that. |
| 01:04:45.36 | Mike Kelly | We hope that you set. So there's a motion in a second. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:04:51.47 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, I believe this was cleared up at a subsequent meeting. Is that the case? |
| 01:04:55.91 | Mike Kelly | Is that the case? It just furthered out. Just right now. |
| 01:04:58.70 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, I know. Okay. Excuse me. I think I've said this twice. Okay, good. All right. Thanks for the break. |
| 01:04:58.71 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. Yeah! |
| 01:05:00.53 | Jonathan Leone | Okay, excuse me. |
| 01:05:02.48 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:05:03.52 | Jonathan Leone | Okay, good. All right. So- I can augment prior verbatim. |
| 01:05:07.40 | Carolyn Ford | It's not really augmenting. What it is is explaining where I was going with this. And, you know, as so often happens up here, you start to say something and someone else interrupts and you don't finish your sentence. So anyway, it's on record. Fine. Okay. I'll move forward. Okay. Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:05:18.89 | Matthew Stewart | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:05:21.04 | Vicki Nichols | Anyway. |
| 01:05:22.03 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:05:22.07 | Vicki Nichols | All right. |
| 01:05:22.14 | Mike Kelly | It's a |
| 01:05:23.97 | Herb Weiner | Okay. I'll move forward. All right. Okay. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Aye. Okay, move to approval of the regular City Council meeting on March 17, 2011. |
| 01:05:28.63 | Carolyn Ford | Aye. |
| 01:05:38.12 | Mike Kelly | I'm moving. Are you moving? Second. |
| 01:05:38.45 | Herb Weiner | approval. |
| 01:05:42.74 | Carolyn Ford | March 22nd. 17th. 17th. |
| 01:05:43.87 | Herb Weiner | 17th. |
| 01:05:45.27 | Carolyn Ford | Wait, I'll second you. |
| 01:05:46.94 | Herb Weiner | All right, we got a second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, let's move to approval of the minutes of the regular city council meeting on March 22nd, 2011. |
| 01:05:49.83 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:05:49.96 | Carolyn Ford | Aye. |
| 01:05:58.77 | Carolyn Ford | Oh, there's an issue here. to actually on page four of seven. It says that Mike vice mayor Kelly recommended the formation of downtown bathroom committee made up of planning commissioner Bill Werner. And I believe that was that was Stan. Sam there. And then also. On the. Voting for the. |
| 01:06:19.61 | Mike Kelly | I'm not sure. |
| 01:06:21.45 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 01:06:21.64 | Mike Kelly | So, |
| 01:06:21.97 | Matthew Stewart | Stan. |
| 01:06:23.24 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:06:23.88 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 01:06:33.04 | Carolyn Ford | on page five is seven voting. for the motion to have staff come back on April 5th with a resolution to establish a committee and mission statement based on a proposal of David Hoffman. |
| 01:06:52.08 | Mike Kelly | to the city of Texas. |
| 01:06:54.22 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, but we all voted yes. We'll have him do that. And we do have it in our package. |
| 01:07:00.16 | Herb Weiner | It's in our package. |
| 01:07:01.09 | Carolyn Ford | So this should be corrected to say that the council was in agreement on this and there were No, no. All council members voted aye. |
| 01:07:10.73 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 01:07:10.74 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 01:07:12.14 | Mike Kelly | Voted aye. |
| 01:07:13.04 | Herb Weiner | As corrected, I have a move on that. |
| 01:07:13.63 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 01:07:17.26 | Mike Kelly | Second. |
| 01:07:17.68 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:07:18.51 | Herb Weiner | Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? |
| 01:07:19.86 | Linda Pfeifer | Aye. |
| 01:07:20.77 | Mike Kelly | . |
| 01:07:20.85 | Linda Pfeifer | Oh, I was saying that was an event meeting. |
| 01:07:23.03 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 01:07:23.77 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:07:23.92 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Um, okay, at this time here I'd like to move on the consent calendar. |
| 01:07:30.27 | Carolyn Ford | You're the food. |
| 01:07:31.63 | Herb Weiner | I have a second. |
| 01:07:32.51 | Carolyn Ford | Second. |
| 01:07:33.07 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:07:34.64 | Carolyn Ford | Aye. |
| 01:07:41.42 | Herb Weiner | Okay, what do we do here? |
| 01:07:42.65 | Linda Pfeifer | . |
| 01:07:42.72 | Mike Kelly | . |
| 01:07:42.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:07:43.03 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:07:43.14 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:07:43.34 | Mike Kelly | . |
| 01:07:43.85 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:07:44.04 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:07:44.05 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:07:44.16 | Mike Kelly | Number six. |
| 01:07:45.57 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, okay. Now we'll have a presentation from the Department of Veterans Affairs on the proposed medical research facility at 25 Liberty Shipway, the old Farmer Hall. machine shot. And that will be Heidi Burns and the Veterans Administration team. |
| 01:08:07.11 | Heidi Burns | Good evening, Mayor Winter, members of the City Council, good evening, members of the public. The purpose of this agenda item, as we're getting ready for the PowerPoint presentation to pop up, is for the Veterans Administration to provide a status update on their project located at 25 Liberty Ship Way. |
| 01:08:32.86 | Heidi Burns | Before I introduce the representatives of the VA and hand over the podium, I would like to orient the city council and the public to the project site as well as to provide a brief timeline of the city's interactions with the VA today. |
| 01:08:56.72 | Heidi Burns | Thank you, Debbie. |
| 01:09:01.43 | Heidi Burns | So the project site is located within the city's Marin Ship Overlay Zoning District. The Marin Ship is named after the Bechtel Corporation's Marin Ship Corporation, where they built World War II ships. This was a development that was comprised of approximately 210 acres. And in a very short amount of time, three and a half years to be exact, the Marine Ship Corporation was very successful in constructing a combination of 93 Liberty Shifts and oil tankers, as well as cargo tankers. The machine shop, which was one of the first handful of buildings that was constructed 42. is located on the site plan in red. The adjacent land uses would be the bay model to the south. We have the CK fishing dock to the east. We also have the Clipper Yacht Harbor Basin 1 and Schoonwalker located to the southeast. And then we have a combination of mixed-use, applied arts, fine arts, office uses, and industrial uses to the south at 10 Liberty Ship. and beyond. This slide also shows on the bottom pictures of the existing The machine shop picture to the left was taken in 1945 during the decommissioning study, and the picture to the right was taken this year. And as you can see, the building hasn't changed significantly since the original picture taken in 1945. |
| 01:10:33.85 | Heidi Burns | Since the VA had received ownership of this building, the city had intermittently met with the VA regarding different conceptual proposals. And the first... kind of release of the VA's project was on October 5th of last year when representatives of the VA provided a presentation to the city council. There was a handout on the dais as well as this counter that provided the PowerPoints presentation that was presented at that time. Throughout the past few months, the city has been working with trying to meet with the VA and on March 8th of this year, and the city was able to do that. We had former supervisor McLashen in attendance. We also had Mayor Weiner, Vice Mayor Kelly, as well as Adam Pulitzer, Mary Wagner, Jeremy Graves, and myself at that meeting. The city really encouraged the VA to attend the city council meeting and provide a status update of where they really are to date. So this evening, I will use this time to hand over the podium to Ed Softee, who's the associate director of the San Francisco VA Medical Center, as well as his team. |
| 01:11:47.44 | Ed Softee | Thank you, Heidi. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Councilmembers, Vice Mayor, and everyone. I think there was one other time when we met, and it was before October 5th when we met with the Corps of Engineers and the City Manager at the Bay Model. And thank you for inviting us back here tonight. We do have some news to share with you and some information to share with you that we've been looking forward to providing. When we met on March 8th, we said that we had hoped that we'd have it, and we do. So without further ado, I'm just going to introduce the two members of our staff that are sitting in the rear. The gentleman is Dirk Minema, the acting chief engineer. And the lady is Judy Chiri, our public affairs officer. So again, thank you for having us. And now I'm going to turn it over to John Peckman and Matt Peckman. John is the planner for this project. And Matt is the engineering project manager. Someday we hope to get there. So go ahead, John. |
| 01:12:47.42 | John Peckman | Thanks, Ed. Thank you. Well, we do have good news since our last meeting, but I'll just start and go to the next slide. |
| 01:13:03.46 | John Peckman | Just sit in. Thank you. I forgot which one's which. That one, the forward one. Okay, I do have to say I'm sorry to hear that Mr. McGlashan passed away. He offered some very good advice on our meeting, and he seemed like a great man. And going on, we're just going to give a brief history. This is just a brief. It's all listed in the old report, but this one we're just giving a history. The land was purchased in 2006 from the General Services Administration we've performed some various engineering and geotechnical studies and determined that the timber piles police the building are rotted away and the existing foundation is no longer able to support the building according to California seismic code Code. The cost to reconstruct this foundation and major seismic deficiency significantly exceeds the project budget. And, uh, that one continues. |
| 01:14:08.21 | Matt Peckman | Thank you. |
| 01:14:08.45 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:14:08.47 | Matt Peckman | Thank you. Since our last meeting, we have had a historical evaluation done, completed, and submitted to the State Historical Peruvian Office in accordance with an HBA. |
| 01:14:24.68 | John Peckman | This was submitted just this week. We just sent it to you. It is available right up here. |
| 01:14:29.69 | Matt Peckman | We printed the copies and we also plan to upload it to our website for people to view electronically. As part of this process, the San Francisco VA Medical Center, the State Historic Preservation Office and the Advisory Council of Historical Preservation will meet with the interested parties of Sausalito and try to develop an agreement as to how to proceed. By doing this, as such, we plan on having a public outreach meeting where we plan to invite several, I'll list a few, several parties, the Historical Landmarks Board, the Historical Society, the Richardson Bay Maritime Association, the Sausalito Women's Club, Rotary Club, and Lions Club as well. |
| 01:15:18.62 | John Peckman | And I've been in contact with the State Historic Preservation Office, and I'm trying to get a time from them and coordinate a meeting time. But until that time is where we schedule that meeting, we're going to post this historical evaluation on our website. It will be available for download and viewing. We don't have any deadline as to a comment period, anything like that yet. We're just trying to schedule the meeting and we're gonna work with the city of Sausalito and any other interested parties to coordinate that meeting and hopefully move forward with the project. That's it. |
| 01:15:53.24 | Jonathan Leone | What was the conclusion you reached? |
| 01:15:54.46 | John Peckman | reached. |
| 01:15:55.23 | Jonathan Leone | I haven't had a chance to read it. It's quite thick. So what is the good news you're saying is good news? |
| 01:15:58.56 | John Peckman | Yeah. |
| 01:15:59.44 | Peter | Yeah. |
| 01:15:59.45 | John Peckman | Thank you. |
| 01:15:59.49 | Peter | Thank you. |
| 01:16:01.83 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:16:01.85 | John Peckman | Well, this is just a part of it. We didn't have a completed report last time. And we didn't want to show up this time without a completed report. So this is our completed historical evaluation. This was submitted to the State Historic Preservation Office. And it's going to be available for viewing. It gives a great history of the site and the population. |
| 01:16:03.08 | Jonathan Leone | I'm going to be there. |
| 01:16:21.05 | Jonathan Leone | So, but what is, you know, what's your conclusion of this? I still haven't heard what the good news is. |
| 01:16:24.87 | John Peckman | Okay. I heard what the |
| 01:16:25.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:25.91 | John Peckman | you |
| 01:16:26.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:26.23 | John Peckman | Good. |
| 01:16:26.64 | Unknown | There is not a conclusion with this report. It's a historical report and basically At this point, We're going forward with no preconceived ideas of what this of what we're going to do with this building. That's why we want to meet with the interested parties so we can develop a plan for the future of the building. There's no preconceived ideas. |
| 01:16:47.46 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:16:48.12 | Unknown | In other words, we've taken a step back from what we had planned. So |
| 01:16:53.20 | Mike Kelly | The Press. |
| 01:16:55.78 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 01:16:56.31 | Mike Kelly | Could you make a copy of that available digitally to us so we can put it on our website as well? |
| 01:17:00.68 | John Peckman | Yes, that's okay. |
| 01:17:03.93 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:17:03.95 | John Peckman | Excellent. |
| 01:17:05.20 | Mike Kelly | I'd put Ford and Rio in. |
| 01:17:05.23 | John Peckman | And what is it? |
| 01:17:06.65 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:17:06.72 | John Peckman | Yeah. |
| 01:17:06.78 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. Me too. What is the timeframe that you're looking at for the meeting? |
| 01:17:09.65 | John Peckman | that you're looking at for the meeting? We don't have a timeframe now, but we're looking to schedule a meeting within the next 60 days. |
| 01:17:16.59 | Carolyn Ford | I see. |
| 01:17:17.10 | John Peckman | Yes, so I'm trying to get a call to the preservation officer. He's been out on vacation. So as soon as I get a hold of him, it can move forward and get some dates and times and work from there. |
| 01:17:17.11 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 01:17:29.57 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:17:30.17 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Any questions from the... |
| 01:17:32.62 | Jonathan Leone | Just to clarify, so the good news is what? Step back. That we are thinking to step back. |
| 01:17:38.68 | Matt Peckman | That we have taken a step back. The project was inherited before with the direction. We kind of were pursuing that direction, and now we've taken a step back and decided that the best plan of action is to go forward, to submit this to the Chippo, get everyone's comments and figure out what direction we want to go in and how to proceed with the structure whichever way we can end up going. |
| 01:17:59.13 | Dorothy Gibson | Right. |
| 01:18:04.92 | Jonathan Leone | Right, and I'm not just messing with you. I just wanted to make sure on the record what the good news is. Yes, he is messing with you. No, he is. |
| 01:18:09.05 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:18:09.31 | Herb Weiner | See you. |
| 01:18:09.49 | Unknown | See you. |
| 01:18:09.51 | Herb Weiner | It is. |
| 01:18:09.80 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:18:09.86 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:18:09.90 | Unknown | you |
| 01:18:09.97 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 01:18:10.03 | Unknown | No, no. The good news would actually be that the historical document is complete. That's our good news. |
| 01:18:18.82 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. Of course, gentlemen. At this time, hear any comments from the public on this? Vicki and then Kate? Anybody else raise their hand? Michael? Chuck. |
| 01:18:19.55 | Unknown | WORKING. It is. |
| 01:18:34.31 | Vicki Nichols | Good evening, Mayor Weiner and City Council members. My name is Becky Nicholson. As you know, I'm currently on the Historic Landmarks Board. I'm very thankful for the update and I'd like to thank the veterans for following through with what is their legal requirement to do and that is complete There's Section 106. evaluation of the historic machine shop. Because no one else is here from the landmarks board tonight, I just want to be clear and not to echo Councilmember Leone's question, but it is good news that this is done. This is required by law. That's more than good news. I'm slightly I'm gratified that there's no conclusion, but usually when you do this kind of work, you make some type of conclusion. So just to reiterate, I'm hearing that this is going to be a collaborative effort going together for the use of this building. I have not heard demolition. I'd like to hear that word not used tonight or used so it's very clear. If that's been pulled back, that's terrific news. Obviously, the site, the proposed use for this site is a very valuable for research for our veterans. I couldn't think of a better use in terms of what we can do to honor them and to help them with some of their existing health issues. And the fact that in our Marineship area, the ships that we built were peaceful ships. They carried water, they carried fuel, they weren't bombs. So if we can be helpful to the veterans, that would be great. So on that note, I hope that there's a way looking forward as they invite the stakeholders here, certainly the landmarks board and the others that are mentioned, that we can come up with a very collaborative way of, reusing the building possibly so they can get their needs in if it's Uh, too large or whatever there's a way we could work this out we have very shining examples of the presidio old military facilities that were reused. We've got a great example. There was a good article in something I read today about the restoration of the facilities out at the forts for the arts center. Those buildings were dilapidated too. um, I'm not. I'm not discouraged that it's an old little funky wood building. It has some great history. It was one of the most. had one of the most important functions in the Marinship Yard. I just want to hear the word demolition retracted, and that will be my good news. |
| 01:21:04.57 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you, Vicki. Kate Flavin. |
| 01:21:11.49 | Kate Flavin | I'm Kate Flavin, 129 Prospect, and I agree with Vicki. I'm also Vice President of Sausalito Environment Action known as C. is an active community organization which identifies issues that affect Sassolito environment and supports actions that protect and enhance Oslo's unique qualities. including the preservation of historic buildings. We have garnered over 400 signatures in a two week period to support the preservation of the machine shop building and the Sausalito Marin ship. |
| 01:21:43.45 | Matthew Stewart | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:21:45.54 | Kate Flavin | The machine shop is a standing monument to the can-do attitude of those who supported the World War II effort by creating a highly efficient shipyard in a matter of months, producing 93 ships for this country between 1942 and 1945, including the world's record for ship construction by producing the Huntington Hills in 33 days. and generating a work environment that rewarded achievement regardless of gender or race. C. and the 400 signers of this petition hope you will consider these facts and preserve the machine shop. |
| 01:22:21.99 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Kate. Okay. Michael Wex. |
| 01:22:29.77 | Michael Rex | I'm Michael Rex and I'm speaking as the president of the Richardson Bay Maritime Association. And before, actually there's two buildings on this site. There's the machine shop, but there's also what we call the Butler Building. It's a large warehouse that's bayward of the machine shop. And While this property was in the GSA's hands, we petitioned to convert the building to a maritime museum and nautical library. And when the VA purchased the property, we approached the VA with this proposal. And Mr. Softee and Mr. Minim are here tonight are aware of what's been proposed for the Butler building, as well as Mike Kelly, because he participated in some of our discussions. And the Butler Building is not a historic building like the machine building, so it's in a different class. But it's been sitting empty for about, oh, at least 12 years, maybe longer. It used to be a warehouse that was built by the Army Corps and subsequently not used in part of the surplus of this property. The VA, in previous plans, have proposed to have this building torn down, the Butler building, and replaced with a parking lot for about 10 cars. We think that's kind of a tragic reuse of this important site. And if you remove the building, what you'll reveal is a bunch of rather unsightly sheds that are owned by Anicelli. there's a strip of land between this property, the VA's property and the Bay's Edge controlled by Frank owned by Anicelli. There's a strip of land between this property, the VA's property, and the Bay's Edge controlled by Frank Anicelli. And if you know anything about Frank, those sheds will probably stay there. We have negotiated with Frank to have them removed on the condition that part of the Butler building be used as a working boat shop. We have purchased all the tools from the historic Arquez Boatworks, and we'd like to install them and get them operated. They're massive. They're belt-driven. It could be a wonderful reuse, as well as the maritime display and nautical library. On two previous occasions I've asked that you put on your agenda an opportunity for the Riches Bay Maritime Associates to present to you the vision for this building. And we think it's compatible with what the VA would like to do. We've shown them that through a partnership with the Army Corps that we initiated, they could relocate those 10 cars and actually increase their parking. And so they can accomplish their mission as well as a wonderful community asset that the Butler Building could become. We have funds in the bank. We have an endowment. Thanks to Charlie Merrill. He bequeathed significant funds to the RBMA to pursue this with vigor. So in closing, I ask once again that you give the RBMA an opportunity to make a public presentation to you so you know what the opportunity is for this portion of the VA's property and put it in the mix during these discussions. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Chuck Donald. |
| 01:25:53.34 | Herb Weiner | you I didn't forget you. |
| 01:25:55.53 | Mike Kelly | . |
| 01:26:04.22 | Chuck Donald | Chuck Donald, a resident of Sausalito, I'm here tonight as a self-appointed one-man committee. of the veterans of World War II who live in Sausalito. And I think the objective of the Federal's Administration to build a laboratory there It's fine. It's a lot of both. But it overlooks the historic significance of that building to we who were part of that war. I'm making myself sound like I'm great. I never got out of the United States. But I lived through that war. You're giving your age. I lived through that war. I think the two girls are compatible. They could have their laboratory. We could have a historic monument. And I'm encouraged tonight by |
| 01:26:34.51 | Roberta Malloy | Thank you. When I lived through that war, I love |
| 01:26:37.82 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm sorry. |
| 01:26:48.33 | Chuck Donald | the fact that they're willing to have some public hearings about the historic aspects of it. And I urge the city and any other veterans who are here in Sausalito. to support the building remaining at least in the facade. And as an engineer, I think I could design a foundation to hold it up. Thank you. Okay. |
| 01:27:09.95 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. I think you got a new job. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. . Is there anybody else from the public that would like to make a comment on this? Okay, bring it back up here. Do we have any? |
| 01:27:20.75 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, I just want to say that on page 40 of this report, it unequivocally states that the building is regarded as eligible for listing the National Register on criteria A, B, C, and D. So this is what we were asking for, and I applaud you for doing it. Thank you very much, and now we can proceed on and figure out how we can rescue it, okay? |
| 01:27:21.00 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:27:21.29 | Matthew Stewart | you |
| 01:27:22.76 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:27:44.46 | Mike Kelly | Okay. |
| 01:27:44.96 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:27:45.03 | Mike Kelly | for. |
| 01:27:45.30 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:27:45.34 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. you |
| 01:27:45.81 | Herb Weiner | Right. |
| 01:27:46.41 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:27:46.55 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:27:46.62 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:27:46.73 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:27:46.75 | Linda Pfeifer | I just... |
| 01:27:46.84 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 01:27:46.90 | Herb Weiner | Member Pfeiffer. |
| 01:27:47.78 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. I just want to thank that. Shut up with the word so. |
| 01:27:51.39 | Mike Kelly | And, you know, the |
| 01:27:51.41 | Mike Kelly | that I put in the chat. All right. |
| 01:27:53.50 | Linda Pfeifer | I'd like to thank the VA for completing this, and I want to reiterate that I believe that the VA could leave a legacy for future generations by preserving this historical building. |
| 01:28:07.83 | Mike Kelly | Okay, that is when we have to remember before. |
| 01:28:09.43 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:28:09.45 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, I would like to thank Vicki Nichols and Kate Flavin for the work that they have done to support preservation of the building. And I appreciate Chuck Donald's comments about the historical significance. This has great historical significance, not only, of course, for Sausalito's heritage, but also for the whole country. that the Marin ship played a major role during World War II. It's one of the few remaining shipyards from that era in the Bay Area. Um, And as a veterans organization, and I applaud you for what you have done tonight, that as a veterans organization, Um, You have a special responsibility, of course, to not only respect and help our veterans, but to respect our military history. It's very, very important to the veterans. I met with a couple of naval organizations over the last month, and everyone in those organizations supports preservation of this building. And I just think historically we need to do it. And we have an example right here in town of 30 Liberty Ship Way. where the shell of the building was preserved. And so that's a great example. There's also, I was talking to a fellow at GSA and, um, they were able to save a 1930s warehouse in Fresno, California, by meeting with the residents and hearing what they wanted to have there and really working to preserve the history. It's so crucial to who we are. And so thank you, and we look forward to working with you on this. |
| 01:30:27.94 | Herb Weiner | Okay, any other comments? Yeah, I would just like to... |
| 01:30:31.39 | Jonathan Leone | I would just like to echo, I think he's coming about demolition. I'd also like to put forward, I think the city had discussed at one point in time, obviously this seems to be more space than you have need of, but it may be the opportunity for a public-private mixed-use partnership to offset the costs of rehabbing this facility. Certainly between the city, there are private parties who have certain uses that are compatible with that area that are permitted uses already that could be housed there. And obviously your needs are foremost And I think you have two veterans up here, and you have two here, and you have a son of a naval pilot in World War II. And so I would encourage you to do the same thing, respect the people who have come before us and their efforts at that moment in time. And I think this is Wade, actually. And Mike is a rehabber of old buildings, so he can speak to the fact that you can breed life into old structures and make them compatible with today's uses. So I think we'd love to find a way to work with you. It won't be good news to me until I hear the word that we're not going to demolish it. That'll be good news to me. |
| 01:31:12.74 | Matthew Stewart | TODAY. |
| 01:31:47.80 | Jonathan Leone | And there are examples right next door of buildings that are in use that are exactly the same they were 60-some-odd years ago. So not dirty liberty ship leave so much. It's just the Army Corps, your fellow federal... |
| 01:32:01.02 | Unknown | You feel me? |
| 01:32:01.77 | Jonathan Leone | Mm-hmm. And across the way with Schoonmaker. So those buildings have largely kept their form and function. |
| 01:32:08.84 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. This time here I'll close it. |
| 01:32:12.75 | Jonathan Leone | But we'd love to work with you if you are open to this sort of idea of a private, local, federal, whatever partnership where your needs are obviously the paramount of the list and the |
| 01:32:16.21 | Mike Kelly | Yes. |
| 01:32:17.70 | Herb Weiner | to the |
| 01:32:17.85 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:32:17.87 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:32:17.88 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:32:22.22 | Mike Kelly | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:32:24.46 | Jonathan Leone | but we would help work with you to put that together. |
| 01:32:27.35 | Mike Kelly | At some point, money is going to come into this, and that's where we, as our treasurer always says, sooner or later, it always comes down to money. Okay. So, yeah. Wow. So we'll try to work together and find out. |
| 01:32:33.00 | Jonathan Leone | as our treasurer |
| 01:32:39.80 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:32:39.84 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:32:40.97 | Herb Weiner | Wow. |
| 01:32:43.69 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:32:43.72 | Herb Weiner | Well, thank you. And we appreciate you cooperating with us. Just I'm here. I want to thank Heidi Burns. Yes. And for doing always an excellent job. |
| 01:32:44.06 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:32:51.80 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:32:56.02 | Herb Weiner | and uh... also Ed Safdie and his team for coming tonight. So thank you very, very much. |
| 01:33:03.85 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you very, very much. Yes, thank you. I would encourage you to work with the city staff to organize those public meetings because the more it's done jointly, I think the more it will have credibility to all involved. |
| 01:33:04.56 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes, thank you. |
| 01:33:14.16 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Moving right along. And next is the update on the Business Advisory Board Economic Study, and that's Robert Ayla. |
| 01:33:15.11 | Jonathan Leone | Right. |
| 01:33:15.38 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:33:15.53 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:33:26.56 | Herb Weiner | I'll get you up over it. Thank you. |
| 01:33:35.81 | Jeremy | I'll be happy to do that, Mayor Weiner. |
| 01:33:37.97 | Herb Weiner | Sorry. |
| 01:33:39.05 | Jeremy | In March of last year, the Council discussed the Business Advisory Committee proposals for promote economic development. as part of the Council's discussion. concerns were identified that the economic development study should not encourage changes in the city's land use designations. at the conclusion of that March discussion last year. the Council unanimously directed the Business Advisory Committee to take two actions. First, to clarify the economic development proposal by Dr. Robert Eiler of the Marine Economic Forum to focus on an optimal and targeted business mix, marine-oriented uses, and local interviews. To follow up that, the Business Advisory Committee and staff subsequently refined Dr. Eiler's proposal to address the Council's priority, and in June of last year, the Council authorized the City Manager to execute a contract with the Marin Economic Forum. Dr. Eiler, following my presentation, will provide you a progress report on his preparation of the economic development study. The second item that the council directed last March was to work with a consultant to prepare a short-term business needs study. Requests for proposals were sent out to six consultants. However, none of the proposals that were submitted by those consultants were acceptable. And as a result, a subcommittee of the Business Advisory Committee, Eckhart Nolak, Peter Van Meter, Jeff Sharos, plus citizen volunteer John Clark, prepared an inventory of commercial properties in the city And this inventory substantially completes the first phase of the short-term business needs study. And following Rob Eiler's presentation, Business Advisory Committee Eckhart-Noak will provide an overview of his study. So in conclusion, the staff recommendation is for the council to accept these progress reports by Rob Eiler and Eckhart Nowak, and no further action is necessary by the council tonight. That concludes our presentation, and staff is available for any questions. And without – if there are no questions, I'd like to turn it over to Rob Eiler. Thank you, Jeremy. |
| 01:35:57.29 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. I'm a kid, Mr. Ayler. You won. |
| 01:36:07.47 | Rob Eiler | thank you city council So anyway, I am here to talk about where we are on the project and kind of talk about the path we've taken. This is the first time I've actually presented in front of you since this was initiated in October. The timeline at this point, just to kind of give you the punchline first, is we're looking probably in the next four weeks to wrap up a draft and get that moving forward with the idea that if, for example, I come to either the May or June council meetings, there'll be a wrap-up. discussion. That's the intent at this point. Now, Um, that Unfortunately, it's apropos that Charles mentioned tonight because most of what we're doing here, as Leslie Alden suggested, is a function of his vision about economic development and what Marin needed. Marin Economic Forum is a mirror image of that vision. So we are looking in general at sort of an economic gardening project, I'm sorry, process where we're thinking about community building and community development. One of the key themes there is recognizing you can't have business run by itself and you can't have the community run by itself in terms of the residents. They have to run together. And so a lot of the themes that are going to come up in the next few slides are about that. The other thing, and this is kind of where I'm hanging my hat. I haven't drawn any major conclusions yet because we haven't gathered all the data. I'll talk about that in a minute. But South Salido, as you know, is kind of made up in three parts, and those three parts have synergies. They also have disparities. But there basically are three business towns in this city. the north end of town the Caledonia Street piece, and then the downtown. and Most of the things that will emerge from the report will probably mention those three so-called business towns throughout and how they work together and how they can come together more as a cohesive structure for looking forward to Sausalito's economic future. Um, Like I said here, I mean, one of the things to recognize is there's cultural and actual pieces to that. The culture is also built up around those three towns, and that actually is how it operates. now. The next piece is also recognize that it's community development. The idea of development is very, very controversial as you know. So using that word is condensed to a four-letter structure sometimes. We have to recognize again what the adjective you put before development is. If you talk about economic development, a lot of people go bananas. If you talk about community development, they understand you're talking about community where there's multiple parts of that community. So that's how I talk about it. I talk about it in terms of shaped growth. We do not want unmetered growth. We have seen the last three decades how that works. It doesn't work extremely well. But if you shape it and you have a vision that you're trying to achieve and you actually go through strategic planning, to get to that vision, it works a lot better. So in the economic gardening concept, it boils down to having a vital economy recognizing that economy has to have social equity purpose to it, and then ultimately leads to environmental balance. And if those three things walk together, then you'll have community development in the way that the so-called economic gardening concept is meant to work. So, One thing that I needed as far as data and as Jeremy suggested, there was sort of a two-pronged piece to this. One was the study I was doing along the economic gardening concept and thinking about how the retail piece, the tourism piece, the non-retail piece, and the marinship areas economy all worked together in those so-called business towns. The short-term business needs study that was provided by the Business Advisory Committee was great. Eckhart will talk more about that in a minute. But really what it boiled down to is looking at the excess capacity in commercial real estate and then also thinking beyond that with the recognition that commercial real estate or excess capacity in this city Also, there's things like the boat slips that are left vacant. Hotel rooms that are not filled, the vacancy rates, the lost turnover in restaurants locally, things that are revenue-generating processes that are not being filled. Maybe because of the owner's inability to make it happen. Maybe because of the way that the economy works macroeconomically or also some microissues. The point is we have to look at all of those pieces as potential excess capacity to be built up in the current state of affairs in Sausalito. One issue, for example, that is a community development challenge, which will continue on forever, is how parking works. But there is an economic and a social and an environmental piece to that. And that's the idea, is that even the most simple thing, the parking piece has that economic gardening thing throughout it, and woven completely. So we have to think about how to deal with challenges like that. The methods I've been using to try to get to this last point is a mix of obviously using primary and secondary data. Primary data is something that we've taken from the city's databases as far as it's generated right here, and there's the science that's already happening behind it. There's a lot of secondary data in terms of state and federal databases concerning Sausalito. I have done some open forms that allowed residents and businesses, and anybody who'd like to come off the street and talk to me and give me their opinions to do that as far as qualitative info gathering. But we're on the next to trying to figure out whether or not we want to do a survey instrument to the entirety of Sausalito or some sample of that entirety. And that's still in the works. So that's why I have maybe there parenthetically. Um, In general, I'm using kind of an economic impact analysis to try to recognize how a type of business or an industry in Sausalito affects the other parts of Sausalito. So as you probably know, if you stick one business in a certain vacant commercial real estate space, it will have an effect larger than itself on the local community. And it's good to know sometimes what other businesses are affected by the attraction and retention of a specific business or industry. So a lot of that analysis goes in there. Now, one wild card that's come up since we started this project, and actually Cheryl, Papap and I started talking about this July 2009, is the America's Cup and its effect now on Sausalito as a microcosmopathy effects on the greater Bay Area. That analysis is somewhat beyond the scope of this study. However, I'd be somewhat remiss not to mention it in certain places in this study, so it will come up. I won't do a full analysis of that. If you guys want that, we can have a budget discussion some other time. |
| 01:42:15.27 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:42:15.76 | Rob Eiler | Anyway, so the output ultimately of this, when you jam all those pieces together, is to try to answer these three major questions in terms of the data that exists about Sausalito and those business towns in the original scope of work. How can economic vitality continue to be so-called vital? How can a mix of the economic needs of the city, the businesses that exist, the workers that exist and will want to flow into the city, and also the social and environmental piece all work together. So as I say, the Chamber's done a great job in fostering that economic fatality. The city has supported that. There may need to be more overt partnerships. We'll see. You'll see if my conclusions come up with that. Can a balance be struck between the business owners and the residents that's more overt? So Before I started this, project, it seemed like that there was a lot of contention between the residents and the businesses in town. And I found out that there's a lot more interwoven relationships than I expected. And the contention is really more on the polar ends than it is in the middle. And it's a natural, normal distribution that the polar ends are a minority of people on both sides and it's really in the middle where most people have coalesced, which is good. I will talk about those and try to answer that question about how that can work a little better in terms of community planning and then finally can infrastructure be built to take advantage of serendipity and change. which is good. I will talk about those and try to answer that question about how that can work a little better in terms of community planning. And then finally, can infrastructure be built to take advantage of serendipity and change? So you have to recognize that technology is going to change and make potentially the use of vacant commercial real estate, somewhat obsolete. For example, I couldn't tell you if the vacancy rate's going to go below 10% in general. in commercial real estate in South Florida anytime soon. I don't think any economist can put their foot forward and say that for any municipality right now in the United States. But the idea is that there may be some lack of demand that's structural. And if that's true, what are you going to do about it? The other piece is America's Cup. What are you not so much going to do about it now, but what are you going to do about it later? And will community... infrastructure be built to take advantage of just that one as a microcosm, but then other things that are going to naturally come to Sausalito as potential positive change. So if you put all that together, a report will be coming to try to answer all those questions soon. That's it. |
| 01:44:24.05 | Peter | QUESTION. |
| 01:44:26.02 | Herb Weiner | Okay, Councilmember Pfeiffer. |
| 01:44:29.35 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. I just wanted to follow up on a question that I actually had touched base with you on before and just to confirm in my mind. Uh, Last fall, something caught my eye in one of the minutes from the Business Advisory Committee, which referred to a study in the MarinShip, quote, absent current zoning designations, unquote. And I was very concerned about that. And I wanted to confirm that moving forward, that this study is moving forward with respect to the MarinShip and respecting current zoning designations and not looking outside those designations for maritime services in the arts, et cetera. |
| 01:45:17.54 | Rob Eiler | Yeah, my supposition was one of the main reasons why I was asked to talk about this tonight was to try to confirm that piece. I think Jeremy also said this. Did you not, Jeremy, in your opening remarks? I think it's been addressed, yes. So my intention is to look at the current situation only. |
| 01:45:31.28 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Thanks. I assume you've seen the planning |
| 01:45:32.49 | Rob Eiler | Watchmen. |
| 01:45:36.83 | Mike Kelly | the planning report with the marineship inventory you've got. |
| 01:45:39.94 | Rob Eiler | I've got it. |
| 01:45:40.09 | Mike Kelly | Got it. |
| 01:45:41.25 | Rob Eiler | Thank you. It's a great report, by the way. I'm sorry I didn't mention that overtly. And I also want to mention that BAC has been great to me, and Cheryl in specific has been way over the top as far as effort level. |
| 01:45:51.11 | Jonathan Leone | Terrific. |
| 01:45:52.19 | Rob Eiler | Councilmember Leon. |
| 01:45:53.69 | Jonathan Leone | Just to confirm the scope of the original three tasks is you're sort of more touching on the optimal business mix, but the tourism and recreational boat marina incentivizing the marine component. Is that not part of this study as well? |
| 01:46:15.57 | Rob Eiler | Thank you. |
| 01:46:15.59 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:46:15.61 | Rob Eiler | if it's in the scope of work, it's part of the study. |
| 01:46:15.85 | Jonathan Leone | I'll do this couple more. It just wasn't real. |
| 01:46:17.78 | Rob Eiler | It's a great day. Correct, because I, you know, again, not to, if you had seen the scope of work, I didn't want to bore everybody with going back through the scope. That's part of the record at this point. I'm talking about the progress we made across the board. |
| 01:46:28.27 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, no, I think that the purpose tonight, because you haven't gotten to a conclusion set or feedback point, I think you've met with some of the council. Yeah, I haven't met with you yet. But the, is to make sure we're on the right. |
| 01:46:35.02 | Rob Eiler | Thank you. |
| 01:46:35.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:46:38.98 | Jonathan Leone | a track from where we were months ago when we And I think there's been some miscommunication not at your level, but maybe at the business advisory committee's discussion. |
| 01:46:46.29 | Rob Eiler | Oh. Okay, so just to be clear, I am using the scope of work as the last structure for this report, absolutely. |
| 01:46:55.05 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:46:58.64 | Linda Pfeifer | I have another question. Actually, I do. I have one more question. Ah, very good. Thank you. Sorry, Dr.. So with respect to the qualitative data that you're collecting, so I suspect you're collecting that from the community outreach, the little workshops that you're doing. |
| 01:46:59.30 | Herb Weiner | That's true. |
| 01:46:59.74 | Rob Eiler | Thank you. |
| 01:46:59.75 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:46:59.82 | Rob Eiler | . |
| 01:46:59.97 | Herb Weiner | Actually, I do. I also remember, FIFO, one more question. Ah, very good. |
| 01:47:07.60 | Mike Kelly | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:47:12.56 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 01:47:13.93 | Linda Pfeifer | So with respect to qualitative data, I know that from my own experience that that can be very rich, but it's also important to track, for example, who you receive that from. So I'm just wondering, with regards to the structure of those little workshops you're holding, do you have a little profile sheet that folks fill out that just says, do they live here? Are they a business owner? That sort of thing. |
| 01:47:46.36 | Rob Eiler | I've asked their name and if they are a resident or a business owner, yes, every time. But I've not given them, let's say, a demographic sheet to fill out so I have something that's uniform between each person. I've tried to go away from uniformity so people don't feel like it's actually coming in for a survey. They're coming in to have an open discussion. |
| 01:48:03.47 | Linda Pfeifer | And you're tracking that per each workshop so that, you know, we can see what that mix was. |
| 01:48:06.75 | Rob Eiler | Yes. |
| 01:48:10.21 | Rob Eiler | Um... |
| 01:48:10.58 | Linda Pfeifer | collecting the data. |
| 01:48:11.94 | Rob Eiler | I am collecting the data in what form it will migrate up to the aggregate I haven't decided yet. |
| 01:48:16.75 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. So I personally would be interested to kind of get a sense for the mix of, you know, |
| 01:48:23.81 | Rob Eiler | Yeah, I will probably give you the mix. I probably will not give you who it was. |
| 01:48:24.47 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. OK. |
| 01:48:27.98 | Rob Eiler | Thank you. |
| 01:48:28.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:48:28.38 | Rob Eiler | Sure. Council Member Liam. |
| 01:48:30.69 | Jonathan Leone | Do you have something? |
| 01:48:31.40 | Unknown | you |
| 01:48:31.60 | Jonathan Leone | No? How's the turnout for those been to this? |
| 01:48:31.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:32.60 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm not sure. |
| 01:48:34.79 | Unknown | relatively small. |
| 01:48:35.79 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And I think judging from what we'll hear from Eckhart in a few minutes, there may be an opportunity to reallocate funds back to the survey component to make it a broader net that we cast if that's sort of what you had in mind. |
| 01:48:53.57 | Rob Eiler | Yeah, I mean obviously with the town, the city the size of Sausalito, it is possible at least to attempt a population survey But it is expensive the more and more you look for hits. I mean, it's just, you know, it's a positive function. |
| 01:49:04.04 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. Yeah, no, I understand that. And we can get back to that after Eckhart's talks, and maybe that'll flush some things out. But I appreciate you certainly coming in. We'll probably have some more questions after Eckhart. Sure. Let's see how his fills in. |
| 01:49:11.11 | Rob Eiler | Bye. |
| 01:49:17.57 | Herb Weiner | When is the next forum? |
| 01:49:19.97 | Rob Eiler | We are done. Today was the last one that I intend to hold unless something changes. |
| 01:49:19.98 | Herb Weiner | We are done. Today was the last one that I intended. |
| 01:49:23.75 | Rob Eiler | Thank you. |
| 01:49:23.77 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. Sure. Do we have any – oh, first of all, any public comment, questions on that? Okay, Eckert, moving you up. Thank you, and thank you. |
| 01:49:40.37 | Eckhart Nolak | Mayor, Council, citizens, As part of the Business Advisory Committee working in cooperation with Rob Eiler and Marin Economic Forum, the City of Sausalito. The Chamber, I work with a subcommittee to help complete this phase one of the short-term business study. Peter Van Meter, Jeff Shiroch, John Cox, and myself donated some time to try to complete this report. And I want to thank them for their time and efforts. The survey took place in December and January And the scope of work for phase one included creating a database of available commercial properties interviewing landlords. identifying specifications, business mixes, business types, and the dispersal of businesses and factors that are influencing the landlord decisions. The first thing we did in order to facilitate this inventory is We broke the mix up into three basic categories. Number one, retail and restaurant space. Number two, office slash design space, which we further split up. And number three would be the industrial as well as marine related spaces. We conducted a survey by a walk-by physical survey interviews with brokers, using LoopNet and other websites. LoopNet is a database that has at least for the office and the retail, has estimated at least 90% of the listings available right now. It has maps, it has statistics, it has data for the city and the chamber to actually run a secondary database is probably counterproductive for efforts and budget. They estimate that it's over 90% of the inventory there. Um, The city of Sausalito also, as we know, is completed or nearly completed. I don't have a copy of it yet. The marine ship land use and business inventory. And I think this is going to go into a lot more detail than we were going to do inside buildings and actual taking inventory inside all the different businesses within larger buildings. A couple general things in interviews conducted with the local commercial brokers, and landlords, there were some very common complaints and observations from their point of view, The most common is that it's extremely difficult and time-consuming to obtain permits for improvements And use permits. |
| 01:52:17.91 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:52:18.07 | Eckhart Nolak | Um... Thank you. |
| 01:52:18.81 | Linda Pfeifer | Uh... |
| 01:52:19.15 | Eckhart Nolak | when that's back it was universal |
| 01:52:21.91 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:52:22.42 | Eckhart Nolak | Additionally to that, I mean the number one influencing factor on current landlords in and property owners as well as property managers The primary thing is when they're looking at a landlord, is whether, at a potential tenant, is whether they can pay the rent and whether they can get a use permit. Above and beyond that, there's not really a focus on the tenancy. Um, The retail survey, I'm not sure. PETER AND Jeff, they did a walkthrough of downtown and they The good news is Sausalito is doing pretty well. Uh, We logged a total of 18 vacancies reported out of 241 in the survey. That's an effective vacancy rate of 7.5%. Certainly the best in the county. And if you subtract the four properties deemed as special circumstances, there's an effective rate of 5.4%. So when we see a couple of newspapers go up, and this isn't always changing. Something closes, something opens up. The overall outlook of our retail and restaurant space is actually very good. Um, The mix included restaurant food service. There was 56 out of those, 241. Apparel and accessories was $24. personal care. We've got a few of those, 22 personal care. And then gifts in toy stores, 15 and 11 art galleries, eight dry cleaners and laundry. |
| 01:53:52.84 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:53:53.31 | Eckhart Nolak | Thank you. Then seven jewelry stores, business service, and various other businesses. |
| 01:54:02.69 | Eckhart Nolak | Office space. So on the 5th of January of this year, a few months old. There was 104,000 square feet of empty office space in Slaslito. To put things in perspective, that's enough for 500 to 600 employees. Um, |
| 01:54:22.87 | Jonathan Leone | What was the total capacity you had? Is the total office? |
| 01:54:25.83 | Eckhart Nolak | Total capacity, it's broken down. I don't have Class A, Class B, and Class C, but there's just under 700,000 square feet of Class A and B. Class A is... Concrete, steel construction, drop ceilings, 1-3 Harbor, Marinship Plaza, those are Class A, and they actually have the highest vacancy rate. Design spaces, spaces that have a little funkiness to them, are in higher demand, and the vacancies night and day compared to Class A. |
| 01:54:57.27 | Jonathan Leone | Will you go tell the Veterans Administration that funky old spaces are in demand? I'd be happy to do that. |
| 01:55:01.59 | Eckhart Nolak | Thank you. |
| 01:55:01.60 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:55:01.62 | Eckhart Nolak | I'd be happy. |
| 01:55:01.94 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 01:55:02.02 | Eckhart Nolak | Yeah. |
| 01:55:02.04 | Linda Pfeifer | to do that. Yes. |
| 01:55:04.35 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 01:55:04.39 | Eckhart Nolak | So out of the Class A drop ceiling, Class B design space, much more sought after. And we're seeing a lot of design, packaging, advertising firms coming into Sausalito. And that really seems to be the vibe, which I think is great. Fourth quarter, the Cassidy Turley Marin office report showed 85,000 square feet available out of 689. which is just Class A and B, so it doesn't have these older buildings and these other smaller buildings. So the numbers are a little different, but the percentages are pretty dead on. That shows a vacancy rate of 12.4% compared with 13.8% in Southern Marin and 23.3% in Northern Marin. We're doing much better. The average asking rent was $2.74 a square foot for full service, compared to $3.07 in Southern Marin. and 231 in Northern Marin, that might account for us having a few more tenants as well. Um, That sums up the office space. As far as the industrial and marine space, we did some web surveys and we also did some walking. And we found very few vacancies, but we're going to defer this to the inventory, the marineship land use inventory, instead of being redundant because the city's done a lot of work, and I think I'm looking forward to get my hands on it. So all in all, I mean, Is there room for improvement in this town, in business environment? Yeah. Do we need more Class A office space? No. But that's it. next week. Any questions? Do we have any questions? |
| 01:56:42.60 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:56:43.12 | Jonathan Leone | We have any questions. Maybe you can broker some space to the Veterans Administration for Class A. Thank you very much. Because they only need 15,000 square feet. There's plenty of room for it. |
| 01:56:45.94 | Eckhart Nolak | for the administration. |
| 01:56:47.04 | Mike Kelly | I was going to say. |
| 01:56:47.95 | Eckhart Nolak | Bye. |
| 01:56:47.97 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:56:48.30 | Eckhart Nolak | you |
| 01:56:50.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:56:50.82 | Mike Kelly | There's plenty of room for it. |
| 01:56:53.35 | Carolyn Ford | I would just like to say thank you to this group because they picked up the slack when the consultant you thought you had disappeared. |
| 01:56:53.70 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:56:56.89 | Jonathan Leone | because |
| 01:56:58.19 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:57:06.55 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 01:57:08.72 | Jonathan Leone | Peter, you send a bill all the time. It's just not a monetary bill. |
| 01:57:13.23 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 01:57:13.48 | Jonathan Leone | while here. |
| 01:57:14.02 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 01:57:14.05 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 01:57:15.19 | Herb Weiner | Forgot to tell you his middle name is Bill. Any public comment on this item? Okay, bring it back up. All right. I want to thank you very much, Eckert, Mr. Isler. Thank you very, very much for a very good report. And we'll move on to the next. |
| 01:57:33.39 | Jonathan Leone | No, I had a comment. I think you just were just collecting a couple of comments. So my comments are twofold. |
| 01:57:35.67 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Let's make a couple of comments. All right. |
| 01:57:40.51 | Jonathan Leone | The nature of the study that Eckhart and his group did was very different from what originally the chamber and the city had asked to do in that first phase. It was well done and it serves a great purpose and it helps Mr. Eiler with his work. but kind of like help me with the short-term impacts of having open open retail and restaurant and other spaces, which was the sort of original intent, was to sort of take a look at what demands, how we could shape demand and put demand in these empty spaces. It's very different. And since Eckhart and Peter, thanks for not sending a bill, Peter, there was money allocated since you haven't spent any money, at least to my knowledge, what I would think the right thing to do is to bring that back. We don't feel the need to establish our own database of commercial and retail space. It doesn't make any sense. I myself use Rofo and LoopNet to find where my company is located. For small spaces, it's the best place to find space, and generally it's all small space here. No one's taken 20,000 square foot floors or whatever. So there's no need to recreate that. So the money that would have gone to that to help Mr. Eiler, and actually it's a good time of year because the original idea, at least that I had brokered with the chamber and the rest of the BAC, was to say let's look at what people want, what the tourists want, what the residents want, what the business owners and landowners want, and conduct a more statistically significant survey. You're doing your best without a lot of money at your disposal, and so that you can see what demand wants. |
| 01:58:43.17 | Matthew Stewart | . |
| 01:59:21.56 | Jonathan Leone | and then see we know now what our supply is and see how we can shape that based off of what both the work that this committee did as well as what Mr. Isler is doing and create a way of shaping our future by finding out what are the consumers of Fossilito, not just residents, people who visit, people who work here, whatever, What? So you're not just putting your finger in the wind and hoping that you can guess the direction. Um, I think that would be very useful. I know we're tight on funds, and it is expensive to do a comprehensive survey that's statistically significant. I don't think you have to survey the whole town. I think we could do some statistically significant surveys and have somebody on the... ferry landing, doing a survey of people getting off the boat and what have you. that gives us a sense of what our economy could be. Um, Thank you. from a demand equation. We can see what the statistics have been historically, but they're going to give you some indication of the future, but not 100%. And that's where I think that you're going to create some real value to take to landlords and say, hey, we've done all this work. here's where we think as a city and as a chamber you could benefit not only someone who's just going to, if 90% of their decision making is just somebody who can write a check. That's not a lot of foresight. And these days, I think people are happy to have anybody writing a check who's a landlord, but we're preparing for the future when the real estate market's a little different. So I think that would be something we should come back and revisit again and see if between, if we have the ability to do that in a way that through Mr. Eiler, who's an a disinterested party in this whole exercise to get an idea of where demand could lead us in the future. and shape that demand to our vision as a community. Thank you. |
| 02:01:15.37 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:01:15.67 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:01:16.06 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Peter, I'll let you slip in. |
| 02:01:22.67 | Herb Weiner | if you don't send us a bill. |
| 02:01:23.85 | Peter | Thank you. In fact, the Business Advisory Committee has already directed Dr. Eiler to come up with a statistically valid survey program. So we're hoping that that will, in fact, be part of the report that he's going to be preparing. As I recall from our last BAC meeting, I did not hear a response from him that there would be additional financial issues involved in that, but perhaps that remains an open question. Councilman Leon's comment about the short-term study. We did not include the action plan component Because we do certainly, particularly in thinking in terms of the retail sector, because we decided that there was not really an issue there to call for that. We had had discussions of having certain kind of open house programs, encouraging both prospective tenant and broker activity relative to retail spaces. And as we had discussed some concepts, but did not include it in that report because we decided at the end of the day that although we hate to see vacancies, downtown particularly, and turnover, that in fact it's happening in the normal course of business and that our vacancy rate is not out of line with what you'd expect in small town retail. |
| 02:02:36.33 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, it wasn't as a criticism. I think the reality played out differently than what we were worried about. |
| 02:02:40.23 | Peter | I just wanted to let the record show that that was not |
| 02:02:41.19 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 02:02:43.81 | Peter | we decided just to do it, to not do it for not doing it. There was a reason we didn't do it. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. |
| 02:02:47.82 | Jonathan Leone | But there was no idea. Thank you. |
| 02:02:49.60 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |
| 02:02:50.34 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:02:51.42 | Linda Pfeifer | THE END OF |
| 02:02:51.49 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry. |
| 02:02:51.57 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:02:51.76 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:02:51.81 | Linda Pfeifer | to be. |
| 02:02:52.08 | Jonathan Leone | Compared to Mr. Eiler, he does, in the scope of work, there is a zero and a question next to survey because there's no money for it. So to his defense. Zero means zero. You've got to pay if you get what you pay for, and zero doesn't get too much. |
| 02:02:52.13 | Linda Pfeifer | Sure to me. |
| 02:03:03.16 | Herb Weiner | Zero means zero. |
| 02:03:06.30 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |
| 02:03:08.19 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:03:08.73 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:03:08.85 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Mayor Weiner. Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 02:03:09.37 | Linda Pfeifer | Marijuana. Thank you. I do want to thank, echo my colleagues up here in thanking the group, Eckhart and Peter and John Cox and your group and the hard work in pulling this together. I know it took a lot of work and it was very revealing. So thank you. |
| 02:03:27.09 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. Once again, gentlemen, thank you very, very much. We'll close that now and move on to the next item, which is the discussion on the Marin Telecommunication Agency consideration of early digital infrastructure and video technology. Competition Act, conversion from current Comcast franchise agreement and that will be Charlie Francis |
| 02:03:52.94 | Carolyn Ford | actually heard as the member of |
| 02:03:57.84 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:03:57.86 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:03:58.11 | Carolyn Ford | as a member of that board I would like to just summarize what is happening and what we're requesting I know Charlie came in at the very end and prepared a little bit of this. Unless, Charlie, you have something you would like to say. I would like to say at some point where we are with it. |
| 02:04:22.38 | Jeremy | Council member Ford, I was just going to introduce you. |
| 02:04:22.39 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:04:26.97 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you, Charlie. Thank you. Okay. Just for, I sent my summary to the council members, but for the public's information. The community media center of Marin. |
| 02:04:27.00 | Jeremy | Great one. Okay. |
| 02:04:40.47 | Carolyn Ford | provides a valuable service in public TV stations for public information and events, our education channels, and government, government meetings for, and that really matters for transparency. And that is what this is all about, is keeping our community media center of Marin in business. The MTA. supervises and is the oversight agency for that. Um, So I'm going to refer to it as CMCM. was given money through an initial Comcast franchise for startups. This was a fraction of the amount needed to operate until moving to the state franchise in 2016, which we must do in the year 2016. Um, CMCM, the media center, planned to get additional at your funding. through grants and donations, much like a lot of our non-profits. But we all know what happened to the economy, and they were not successful in doing that. So, What we're looking at now is moving the Community Media Center to the state franchise a few years early. to provide the funding. through the state franchise, which is a 1% charge for public education and government channels. AT&T customers already pay 1% and are part of the state franchise. Most current Comcast customers would see a slight increase in their bill. Anyone with a basic service and those paying less than $45 would decrease in 2016. This would be a progressive fee and a fairer fee in that regard. The interim fee is being negotiated with Comcast, and we feel that that negotiation will um, be good and successful. MP the Marin Telecommunications Agency. Um, If we don't. Move. if the Marin Telecommunications Agency does not move. to the state franchise, which is also known as Divka, our community media center will disappear or some other source of funds will have to be found. And apparently that is exactly what happened to the media center in San Francisco. It had to close for lack of funding. So, this evening I have asked Bruce Bagnoli, who is the chairman of the board for our community media Center of Marin to give us a little update as to what their mission is, the services they provide, and then we can ask questions and the council needs to vote on this so that how they want to go so that I can at the next meeting, MTA meeting, vote the way the council sees fit. Bruce, thank you. |
| 02:08:16.57 | Bruce Bagnoli | Thank you very much, Carolyn and Mayor Wenner and the other council members, members of the public. I am the chairman of the Community Media Center of Marin's board. We were created by the Marin Telecommunications Agency and a large number of people in the community who came together to form this nonprofit. And its purpose is to operate the three channels that are granted under the FCC's rules when you have a franchise. The public is entitled to have access to these channels so they can express their and put on their ideas and share community. That would be on the public channel also. The government channel allows for broadcast of meetings such as this one. Also allows for communications in an emergency situation. It's a unique resource here in Marin. Also, it allows for government agencies to communicate and educate the public. An example of that would be the fire department recently has produced some videos about evacuation in wildland fire situations. That's been shared. There have been other videos produced after the Mount Vision fire. Happened a number of years ago that talk about the need for a wildland clearing. for fire breaks and that sort of a thing. So, and water conservation, et cetera. The Community Media Center operates channels 26, 27, and 30, 26 being public access, and then we have the education channel and the government channel. The first channel went live in 2009. The government channel went live in February 2010, and the education channel in November of 2010. We've carried over 2,400 programs, local programs, over the last year. And that's sort of typical. I think we'll probably see more in the future. Since we now have three channels, instead we started with just one. We have taught over 60 courses. It's one part of our mission is to help people learn how to use this tool This is really a public commons in the same tradition as the Boston commons. It's been there since the 1500s. But this is in the modern age, so it's an electronic commons. And in order to use it, you have to know how. So we do teach classes. They've been very well received. In the classes, by the way, we charge a very small fee, but they're pretty much self-supporting. We also provide the means to produce video, both to government and to education, and most particularly to the public, because the public has no other means to get access. Although you couldn't tell that to young people, because young people seem to think video is something they do just incidentally anyway. It's a great time for video in that respect. We've had over 500 camera checkouts over the last year, 940 edit sessions, and we have a large number of these that are shared with young people, old people and everyone in between We have over 400 members. It's inexpensive. You can join for $35. There's institutional memberships, and that's a growing group The channel also carries Radio Sausalito, your local radio station, wonderful station actually, and it's been a great collaboration. Jonathan Westerling, who probably many of you are familiar with, has been eager to share this wonderful treasure that Sausalito has with a wider group and due to licensing rules and so on, he couldn't really do that on the FM radio, but we're not prohibited from carrying it. So we carry it both on the secondary audio channel, so you can go to SAP anywhere in and pick this up. We also carry it in all the secondary audio channel, so you can go to SAP anywhere in Miranda and pick this up. We also carry it in all of the breaks between programs as well. And we do specials. I volunteered, for example, at Christmas time, and there were four trombonists, some incredibly skilled people who performed and shared their music. |
| 02:12:23.62 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. Just keep the trombone. Trumpet. Trumpet. Trumpet. Oh, come on. Next year. He had hair I said. Next year. |
| 02:12:25.51 | Bruce Bagnoli | It's transit. |
| 02:12:26.20 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:12:26.30 | Bruce Bagnoli | Thank you. |
| 02:12:27.04 | Mike Kelly | Okay. |
| 02:12:27.55 | Bruce Bagnoli | Next year. All right. So that's just an example of some of what we do. And Carolyn was correct. We were organized originally and we have a contract with the Marin Telecommunications Agency to operate the three channels and carry on these other functions. And at the time that we were formed, it was an optimism that perhaps cities would be eager to sign up and pay lots of money for us to operate. It turns out that our function is a little different. because we are helping cities to communicate with their citizens in the way that the cities want to do it. Each city is different. Sausalito has its own idea. and we've provided some technical assistance. I just saw Slado in that way. Fairfax has a totally different idea of how to do it, and there's other cities that Um, I've, don't want to see a camera anywhere. But we're trying to work on those because I personally believe that transparency in government is a good thing. and it's something that makes government function in a whole different way, and we provide some of that means. So our support, we have received some grants, very small. We have received some donations, some more generous than others, but all of them are appreciated, and we do charge membership fees and class fees. But that doesn't really carry the weight. the state passed the new statewide franchising law Um, after 2006 when the franchise was granted. And in that law, it says that Once you have two different providers in a county or in a service area. and that now is AT&T and Comcast. then the state franchise can be triggered. And it's a statute, so the MTA has no authority to set the rates or anything else This does not affect the 5% that the cities get at all. That's... remains the same. but it does provide a 1% fee. under the law that would be used for public access and government television. So we are asking that that be triggered now. because some of these other funding sources have not materialized and some of the optimistic assumptions that were in place when we were funded originally have not panned out. We have, however, on the other hand done everything we could to try to minimize the rate of spend. So we've actually extended that period of time of operation on that initial grant significantly, and we continue to operate in that manner. This DIFCA funding is 1% of the cable bill. Now, many of you, and I certainly can say my own example, I pay for Internet service from Comcast, and that is not taxed, or it's not a tax, it's the wrong word, it's not a fee. So in my particular case, the 1% only applies to the cable bill, so the total rise would be less than a dollar in my particular case, and probably in most cases here. So we need your support. We want to continue to work with you. This will keep the lights on. It's a very important service to the community, and I think it's one that has really exceeded our expectations. There was a need study done. Jonathan referred to the need to use data and certainly when Jonathan was on the MTA I believe There was a need study done. funded by the MTA and it suggested that there was a need for this sort of service here in Marin. And it is something that's granted by federal law to the citizens of Miranda, to the people here, in exchange for the use of the right-of-way. So it's an important thing to take care of. Um, But what we found is that there's way more interest than we anticipated. We found that this activity is actually a real community cohesive force Certainly one of the things that I like about it the most when I volunteer is meeting different aspects of the community working together. It's mostly volunteer driven. I should say we only have a paid staff of three. We have a number of part-timers who flesh out our services, and we also use a lot of interns and volunteers. So it's a great place to learn about your community. I encourage you to take a look at Channel 26 or Channel 99 on the AT&T system for public access. It's also on the web. And it is also... So if you don't have time to see something, you can go back and look it up later. I know the Sausalito does something similar with your console meetings. And I find that personally a wonderful deal because it's hard to get around and see everything when you want to. So we make all of those available and look forward to working with you as America's Cup brings lots of interesting people here. We probably don't have the rights to actually show the race, I think there's gonna be all kinds of very interesting people coming through here and I think there's gonna be all kinds of interesting events. And this is one of the things that can happen here is we can carry these local events here and it's produced by local people so it's a great community resource. Thank you. Questions? |
| 02:17:40.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:17:41.00 | Bruce Bagnoli | Thank you. Have any questions? |
| 02:17:42.74 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:17:42.76 | Bruce Bagnoli | Thank you. |
| 02:17:42.76 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:17:42.77 | Herb Weiner | Council Member Leon. |
| 02:17:42.91 | Bruce Bagnoli | Councilmember Leon's good to see you again |
| 02:17:44.00 | Jonathan Leone | Good to see you again. the uh... Two things for you and Bill. Certainly the government function of utilizing services ran as roadblocks depending on how people approached it. And that revenue stream isn't materializing. On the more of the benefactor side, is it just the general economic situation that's caused that to not or is it more to find the right partners as a difficult one and in this economy? |
| 02:18:15.82 | Bruce Bagnoli | That's a good question. That's a very good question. We have an outreach committee which has a number of community members and board members as well. And we've been looking at those issues. I think it's probably three things. All the nonprofits in Marin have suffered to one degree or another due to the economy. So that's certainly been one factor. But another factor we find is that some granting agencies really look to see, are you stable? You know, if you're an organization that wants to get it, are you stable? Do you have support of your funding agency? And we believe that moving to DIFCA at this time will show that confidence and would reverse a situation which at the moment looks rather dire. We don't know exactly how much revenue will be generated because there's some issues outstanding with Comcast. Comcast, by the way, doesn't have to pass through any of these costs to the public. But since they're permitted by law, they typically often do. Another piece has been just getting the word out about what we do. And so as people become more aware, we have been raising a little bit more money. And it hasn't gone as fast as we'd like, but there have been some great donations in kind There's a studio that closed recently gave us a music library, for example, of rights cleared music so that people can come in and add music to their program. A number of things like that have happened. So we do see that as something that's been growing as people get to know what this resource is. |
| 02:19:44.02 | Jonathan Leone | And just to touch on the two things, the Comcast, we need to be paid back for, so just for people's knowledge, really Comcast paid everything up front of these same fees, more or less, in those up front payments, and their claim now is, well, first I've got to get paid back some portion of what I gave you, before I'll be willing to not I'll put the feedback on, but I'm going to keep it. is essentially what they're saying to you now, is that, or not to you, to the MTA, |
| 02:20:12.18 | Carolyn Ford | We're in negotiations right now, and so that we really, I can't talk about it right now because it is closed session. Well, but the CMCM has not been involved in that. It's just been the MTA. |
| 02:20:20.88 | Amy Belzer | because it is closed session. |
| 02:20:23.49 | Mary Wagner | Bye. |
| 02:20:23.52 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:20:23.61 | Amy Belzer | Thank you. |
| 02:20:29.14 | Carolyn Ford | members. |
| 02:20:30.06 | Bruce Bagnoli | It's true that we're not direct parties to that, but since you raised the issue, I'll just say that Uh, the I was a member of MAC, the Media Access Advisory Committee, which is an MTA advisory group for many years prior to the franchise. The original franchise offer from AT&T was for $12 million. the agencies, the companies held out until finally Moran was granted 3.6 million after a period of starvation. So whether or not It's let me just say right, never mind legal, because I'm not a lawyer, but whether it's right for Comcast to be taking this attitude that they have the right to pass this through. |
| 02:21:08.95 | Dennis Greenman | Bye. |
| 02:21:08.99 | Alf News | Yeah. |
| 02:21:09.00 | Dennis Greenman | I'm not. |
| 02:21:09.17 | Alf News | lawyer. |
| 02:21:11.13 | Linda Pfeifer | Conrad. |
| 02:21:18.15 | Linda Pfeifer | Right. |
| 02:21:18.55 | Bruce Bagnoli | and that's a very common thing with capital. I work in school bonds, school construction, public buildings, all over the state for Parsons. And we frequently encounter a situation where a municipality or a school district has to put a capital out there for a bond and they'll pay that off over 30 years. Typically we'll build it in two or three years. So there's not uncommon to see on a tax bill such as mine in Santa Fe that there'll be a couple of capital programs that are being paid off over time. So whether Comcast chooses to starve Moran. or chooses to look at investing in the community and building this community resource is a choice that they have to make And we certainly think that it's a great investment in the cities in the people and in the culture of Marin for them to put that money out and not to try to starve us. Now, in the past, MTA had to take action because they leased out the public channels. |
| 02:22:20.45 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:22:20.57 | Bruce Bagnoli | Thank you. And MTA did take action and stopped that and made it go to the public. So we're optimistic. We don't know how the negotiation will come out, but we hope it comes out in favor of the people of Miranda. |
| 02:22:31.49 | Jonathan Leone | And again, as a third party observer, One of the things that the CMCM and various incarnations before, Mac and some other folks were asking was for the actual MTA to pass through the funds directly rather than have to create a new, go through this DIF code. In those days that wasn't the issue. From your point of view as a CMC, do you care whether it's from the DIFCA or whether the MTA passes that money through to you? |
| 02:23:03.33 | Bruce Bagnoli | Our goal, sole goal, is to operate in the public interest as an educational nonprofit and so we would be pleased to provide that service in any way that works for the community. I think I can just say that, whether it is a direct pastor or not. |
| 02:23:18.06 | Herb Weiner | answer. |
| 02:23:18.50 | Jonathan Leone | very diplomatic answer thank you Bruce |
| 02:23:23.50 | Herb Weiner | All right. Thank you. At this time, any comments from the public? |
| 02:23:25.72 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:23:29.42 | Herb Weiner | Let me get back up here. So we have on tonight the recommendation to provide direction to the Councilmember Ford. who's our representative of the MTA board on voting on this issue. Uh. moving forward with the conversion from the current MTA Comcast franchise agreement to difficult. |
| 02:23:54.99 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, so just to lead off, you know, obviously I would want to see the CMCM survive and flourish, and hopefully with some base level of funding like this they can attract, you know, people always want to give money to people who actually don't need it quite so much for some reason, because they think it's not going to just go away in the near term and go down the tube, so to speak. But for me, if the MTA moves to a DIFCA model early, there really is not much really to do for the MTA. And so rather than because they will no longer be administering any core franchises. Now, there's some options of things to do for them to do as far as telecommunications efforts and advocate for Moran. The question is, are we willing to pay for that? |
| 02:24:39.60 | Matthew Stewart | right? |
| 02:24:42.27 | Jonathan Leone | And I would rather see this money come out of their budget, frankly, because, and I would have said the same thing as an MTA member, rather than it go on the consumer's bill. Because for a half a million dollar, Budget a year. I don't know if the people of Marin really get the value of that AND uh, should that type of funding should be going towards more better access for people who can't afford, these services. for supporting the CNCM rather than some of the more interesting they're theoretically interesting but rather unproductive efforts to pursue, it's going to become an agency in search of a purpose. So if my point of view is if it, and this is not being a jerk, but it is to the MTA, who I love Barbara and other folks, But if you don't have a job to do, there isn't a job there. |
| 02:25:33.13 | Alf News | you know, |
| 02:25:33.40 | Bruce Bagnoli | Yeah. |
| 02:25:36.96 | Jonathan Leone | So you better find a purpose and instead of shifting this over to consumers to pay for, why doesn't the MTA pay for it out of their half a million dollar budget? |
| 02:25:48.67 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:25:48.69 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:25:48.72 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Well, I toured the facility. |
| 02:25:50.24 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:25:50.27 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:25:50.29 | Mike Kelly | I... I... I... Thank you. |
| 02:25:54.38 | Herb Weiner | and I was, I'm really looking forward to that. We can maybe by June be on. Uh. having our meetings on that. channel And I think it's, I would really hate to see it go away. I don't like taxing, but the amount to me is... I'd rather see it stay here, so. I am very much in favor of of this Any? Councilmember Pfeiffer? |
| 02:26:29.76 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes, I think looking at the cost less than a dollar, it seems reasonable with respect to the transparency that this will bring. and the continued community outreach and visibility on important issues. So I would support this too. |
| 02:26:49.83 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, I would just kind of read what this says. It doesn't obligate that part of the purpose of setting up the CM is so that the government had no right to dictate what they put on their channels. and how it's run, because that's free speech and that's the way it should be. And so what, there is no guarantee of any of your point of view is, well this is gonna create programming for the government, it's gonna go that way, frankly. |
| 02:27:12.47 | Matthew Stewart | to go with it. |
| 02:27:14.55 | Jonathan Leone | And nor should it, it should just make sure the CM survives. And hopefully there will be that the MTA should probably supply some of that funding. You've got to remember that. |
| 02:27:23.85 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:27:23.97 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 02:27:26.12 | Jonathan Leone | and correct me if I'm wrong, Bruce, if I'm getting off on a tangent, is that the So this organization used to exist as part of the GSA and it just administered the contract. It wasn't necessarily done well in my memory of it back in the day. Not the CMC, the administering of the cable franchise. And a lot of people did a lot of hard work to create this agency, which has done a much better job at administering the contract, and that contract negotiation, thank God it wasn't a part of that, because that was years and years of negative existence for everybody involved on either side. But, you know, I think, . it's sort of, there is no, if you want government programming, you're going to have to pay for it yourself. And so we would have to pay for it just like we're doing here and convert it over. The CMCM is no obligation, nor should it be, to produce content because it's so expensive to produce content for the government. So that's not going to happen because of this. What's going to happen is you're going to have that facility continue to hopefully exist in its current form. and grow and be able to attract more funding to maybe do that if it's in their desired outcome down the road. But again, they have other fish to fry other than creating government content, which is what we're going to have to choose to pay for, which this is Internet content, not broadcast quality content. So I think the MCA is a good organization that's trying to do good things, but I think that maybe, first of all, don't put this in front of me until you have a deal with Comcast about they're not going to sue you to get their, they're just going to pass this through. That doesn't make any sense that we're voting on it now before they've even gotten anywhere on that issue. Secondly, I'm not sure. There is money in the MTA budget to fund this if they choose to not do other things as a priority. It's a priority setting exercise for them. And I would have liked to have seen them have that discussion first before opening up this legal can of worms with Comcast about the money that's between now and 2016. Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong. There's one up here. |
| 02:29:35.78 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:29:35.93 | Bruce Bagnoli | Thank you. |
| 02:29:37.21 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:29:37.24 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. It's not as black and white as your. |
| 02:29:40.57 | Bruce Bagnoli | I don't wish to say that you're wrong in any way, shape, or form, but I would like to just clarify a couple of little things there. You were correct in saying that the CMCM is not in the business of producing on out of its budget government programming. That is a function of government. Government is supposed to communicate with the public. |
| 02:29:40.58 | Jonathan Leone | I don't think so. |
| 02:29:57.97 | Bruce Bagnoli | And What our function is is to carry that programming. There is a dedicated channel for that that's not available for the public to come in and just put on whatever programming they want. There is a channel for that. That's 26, the government channel. is dedicated for government communications, And there is some overlap, certainly on the educational channel at the moment, the K-12s are heavily impacted and they can't produce much of their own programming, so we're programming that does come in and we're carrying programming from things like Princeton, the University of California and so on. and Dominican University is providing some programming. So you're absolutely right about those issues. I won't speak to the issue of MTA and prioritization, but the statute is one that originally MTA anticipated would be triggered by Comcast, not by the MTA. even though the law gives the public the right to collect that money. One of the points of view that we heard is that If government has the right to collect that money and use it responsibly, then that is something that is the job government is to get that and take care of |
| 02:31:08.40 | Matthew Stewart | Oh. |
| 02:31:09.28 | Bruce Bagnoli | the public comments. So From that point of view, I just wanted to clarify a little bit of that and I'd certainly leave it to the elected officials to figure out what to do with the MTA. Thank you. |
| 02:31:23.08 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. I actually, if I could just... |
| 02:31:25.34 | Herb Weiner | I guess the buck stops here. |
| 02:31:27.57 | Carolyn Ford | If I could just respond to that, I think whether or not the MTA exists and continues to exist is another question. The MTA does collect the money for the, and Jonathan has certainly been a member of this committee longer than I have. I just took it over and I've been to two meetings. But the MTA does collect the money for the franchises and they divide it. to all the cities. And so they are responsible for controlling that money as well as supporting our media center. And basically they speak for the use of video telecommunications in Marin County. So I think there are two different questions as to whether or not MTA should exist continue to exist in the future but someone has to disperse that money and that sort of thing this question is how do we keep our media center going in operation. |
| 02:32:41.05 | Matthew Stewart | you're going |
| 02:32:43.46 | Carolyn Ford | And I can't talk about the negotiations that MTA is having with Comcast right now because they are They're negotiating, of course, the contract. THE OTHER MEMBERS ON THE BOARD felt MTA board. felt that we are at a point right now in terms of our negotiating with Comcast, that we can move forward without any major or detrimental effects. So the problem is the chicken and the egg. When do you get the approval of the city's in terms of the negotiation. And that's where we are right now. Do we move forward and negotiate with Comcast and save our organization, or do we, you know, yeah, risk it all. |
| 02:33:42.76 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, risk it all. So. It seems like a Hobson's choice, actually. And but the clear goal is to keep you in business, right? Yeah. And so what I'm hearing is that the best way to keep you in business is to make this transition. |
| 02:33:51.04 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 02:33:58.42 | Mike Kelly | Right. |
| 02:33:59.33 | Chuck Donald | Thank you. Shadda bear rabbit? Yeah, right. Look at the hops. Yeah. So who wants to make it? |
| 02:34:03.53 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:34:03.97 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 02:34:04.02 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:34:04.21 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:34:04.29 | Mike Kelly | Absolutely. |
| 02:34:04.65 | Carolyn Ford | Who wants to make it? |
| 02:34:05.93 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:34:05.96 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:34:05.98 | Jonathan Leone | I'll repeat that the, if I don't think it's fair to the consumer. |
| 02:34:06.03 | Carolyn Ford | And I... |
| 02:34:06.28 | Chuck Donald | Thank you. |
| 02:34:06.47 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 02:34:13.62 | Jonathan Leone | that the MTA should step in the middle and say, you will not see an increase because of this. Whatever they get out of Comcast can offset part of that, but the rest of it's got to come out of their budget. |
| 02:34:25.47 | Mike Kelly | I don't disagree with you. But yeah. |
| 02:34:27.21 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:34:27.22 | Herb Weiner | I hate to see. |
| 02:34:28.30 | Jonathan Leone | But none of the rest. The worst. You do have a choice. Well, the worst. You can say you don't, that that's the way that you, the JT, JPA is structured. I know, but the. I know. But I. |
| 02:34:28.74 | Herb Weiner | But nonetheless, the worst Thank you. |
| 02:34:33.43 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:34:33.49 | Herb Weiner | You can swear you can tell. |
| 02:34:34.90 | Chuck Donald | Thank you. |
| 02:34:40.10 | Herb Weiner | I know, but I hate to see them go away. |
| 02:34:44.33 | Jonathan Leone | Well, the... |
| 02:34:45.15 | Herb Weiner | Well, I hate to see them go away in the capacity they are right now. |
| 02:34:49.23 | Jonathan Leone | I don't mean that you don't fund these guys, but the MTA has to make up the balance out of what they don't get out of Comcast. If Comcast takes them to the woodshed and says, we're going to get paid back first, then they have to make it up. That's a slippery slope. |
| 02:34:56.13 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 02:34:56.15 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:34:56.20 | Mike Kelly | Okay. |
| 02:34:56.77 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:35:02.44 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:35:02.46 | Carolyn Ford | That's a slippery slope. We can't go into that, but I assure you. No, we can certainly have a. |
| 02:35:05.61 | Jonathan Leone | No, we can certainly have our opinion translated to that board. Yeah. Well, I, yeah. And that's why we're here. |
| 02:35:09.23 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, and that's why we're here. For the sake of time, we have a motion on this? Not a motion, a direction? |
| 02:35:18.46 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:35:18.47 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:35:18.49 | Mike Kelly | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:35:18.74 | Carolyn Ford | are we going to move to I I would move I would move that the council support the negotiations with Comcast and move the to the state franchise |
| 02:35:18.79 | Mike Kelly | I'm sorry. |
| 02:35:38.28 | Carolyn Ford | Before before the year 2016 so that we can save the media communications media with those conditions |
| 02:35:39.43 | Mike Kelly | CONVERSATION. |
| 02:35:40.02 | Jonathan Leone | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:35:48.44 | Jonathan Leone | With no conditions, whatever the financial impact of the bill was. |
| 02:35:50.99 | Carolyn Ford | I cannot discuss them right here. |
| 02:35:53.64 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 02:35:53.69 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 02:35:53.71 | Jonathan Leone | I'm going to tell you what your emotion is. That's okay. |
| 02:35:53.98 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:35:54.01 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:35:54.03 | Herb Weiner | what your motion is. Yes. Okay. We have a second? I second. Okay. Okay. |
| 02:35:55.77 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 02:35:56.07 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 02:35:56.39 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:35:56.53 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 02:35:58.30 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:35:58.32 | Linda Pfeifer | I'd say. |
| 02:35:59.60 | Jonathan Leone | I'll make another motion before you call that one. The motion is that you vote to approve moving to DivCA early, that the net net to the pass-through on the bill is zero at the MTA. |
| 02:36:01.84 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 02:36:12.51 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. make up the difference what they can't negotiate back from |
| 02:36:19.78 | Mike Kelly | You see it in your head. |
| 02:36:20.88 | Carolyn Ford | Well. to let me just say that |
| 02:36:28.08 | Herb Weiner | Well, we have two motions on there. Is that right now? |
| 02:36:30.56 | Carolyn Ford | Well, |
| 02:36:31.04 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. I need a second on that. Do I have a second? |
| 02:36:31.07 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 02:36:31.51 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:36:31.63 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 02:36:36.55 | Herb Weiner | All right, then you get one motion. Okay. Well, let's make a... All in favor of that motion? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Yeah, I'll stay on this one. Okay. Gentlemen, have a good night. |
| 02:36:43.34 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 02:36:43.35 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 02:36:43.73 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:36:49.80 | Carolyn Ford | And thank you. |
| 02:36:51.47 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, thank you very much. |
| 02:36:52.85 | Herb Weiner | Okay, next item on... Hmm. I guess we have to bring it up. |
| 02:36:56.57 | Linda Pfeifer | it. |
| 02:36:57.51 | Herb Weiner | about the downtown. |
| 02:36:58.71 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:36:58.73 | Chuck Donald | The restroom. Oh, yeah. The restroom. |
| 02:37:00.09 | Herb Weiner | to the restroom. Committee, update and direction. Well, we don't need direction because we know where it is, but. |
| 02:37:06.35 | Mike Kelly | I do. |
| 02:37:07.06 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. But we need help. |
| 02:37:08.67 | Mike Kelly | The late breaking news is that it's in trouble. Yes. Hell yeah. That could be a burning issue. Yeah. Talk about it. |
| 02:37:11.01 | Herb Weiner | Yes. Hell yeah. That could be a burning issue. Yeah. |
| 02:37:17.26 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:37:17.38 | Herb Weiner | to say, you know. |
| 02:37:18.44 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:37:18.45 | Herb Weiner | All the weekends. |
| 02:37:18.49 | Mike Kelly | I like your host, Failing. |
| 02:37:19.69 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 02:37:19.74 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:37:19.75 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:37:20.55 | Mike Kelly | Mm. So can I just launch into this and get it out of the way? Yes. So the Downtown Restroom Strategy Task Force met in public session. And here's what we came up with, that the need is present and is mandatory. we we have the following strategy that we recommend this and what we're looking for is to approve this strategy and then we'll come back with the details okay either on the 22nd or the fifth we'll try to go by the 22nd and |
| 02:37:24.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |
| 02:37:30.91 | Linda Pfeifer | Meh. |
| 02:37:45.77 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 02:37:46.18 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:37:46.32 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. All right. |
| 02:38:02.43 | Mike Kelly | But we would demolish the existing building, immediately bring in an interim portable, which would be there for approximately four months. At the same time, we dropped the hammer on a temporary modular which would be which requires for equipment or permanent |
| 02:38:19.59 | Matthew Stewart | Right. |
| 02:38:19.83 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:38:19.96 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 02:38:22.92 | Mike Kelly | modular. which would take four months to construct and install. And that's the outside range that was given to us in a telephone call. So, Having done those three things, we now have a situation that we can move to a permanent replacement which could turn out to be the modular, Thank you. |
| 02:38:41.31 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:38:41.63 | Mike Kelly | you On the same site that we now have, we did examine an alternate site, but we found that it probably would have to go to a vote under 1128 if we moved it someplace else because it would be a taking of the parking lot. So we let that go because that becomes the enemy. And either the temporary that we would put under number C up there would become the permanent or we would design and build a new permanent to be determined over time. So this gets us down the road. We got consensus on our group, John Flavin from the historic landmark, Stan Baer. |
| 02:38:53.98 | Matthew Stewart | working on it. Thank you. |
| 02:39:12.12 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:39:20.27 | Mike Kelly | Carolyn and myself, we all agreed that we thought this was a very sane and logical approach to get us down the road. |
| 02:39:27.36 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, and I would just add one thing, if I may, and that is we would like to solicit some help from an architect and a landscape architect, pro bono if we can, to help us with this temporary structure to make it look good. |
| 02:39:27.53 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:39:46.18 | Mike Kelly | it. |
| 02:39:46.80 | Carolyn Ford | . |
| 02:39:46.97 | Mike Kelly | We'll come back with some more details in a second. |
| 02:39:47.23 | Carolyn Ford | So. Thank you. |
| 02:39:49.18 | Linda Pfeifer | And I just have a quick comment. |
| 02:39:52.02 | Mike Kelly | 19, sorry, I thought I could say that twice. |
| 02:39:54.73 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. So when you come back with the more details, then my only request is that the details include kind of, I mean, before we embark on the demolition, that there is kind of a risk analysis and contingency planning, you know, that takes place before the demolition and that we have schedules with milestones, obviously. Um, |
| 02:40:18.56 | Mike Kelly | Well, then what you... |
| 02:40:19.12 | Linda Pfeifer | I've read it. Thank you. |
| 02:40:20.05 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Yeah, but what you're looking at is you're looking at the top line there, A, B, and C. Those would happen simultaneously. I understand. |
| 02:40:28.58 | Linda Pfeifer | I understand what I'm, what, I'm sorry, Mike, go ahead. I understand that. What I'm saying is that I've seen scenarios before in this town where we embark on temporary structures that become permanent without without intending them to be. And so I just want to ensure that before we move forward that we've got a plan in place with, you know, the schedule and detail. |
| 02:40:53.02 | Mike Kelly | you know, the schedule and detail. That wouldn't be the case. The case is that you draw a line across A, B, and C, and A, B, and C is all we're going to do. And then we're going to move to talk about what else we do. So, This gets us, however, a situation that we can live with in the interim. And it'll be up to the council to move on and decide what to do, whether to keep the modular structure as a permanent structure or to replace it. |
| 02:41:10.69 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:41:21.44 | Linda Pfeifer | Even if the schedule is the timeframe with respect to how soon Council would make those decisions, because I just don't want to get into a situation where we've demolished something, we've slapped something up, and there's no strategy with respect to the transitioning. Well, you're not slapping something up. This is the strategy. I'm talking about milestones and schedules. |
| 02:41:39.24 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:41:39.26 | Herb Weiner | Well, you're not slapping something up. This is the strategy. |
| 02:41:44.29 | Carolyn Ford | If I may, when we come back to the next meeting, we will have a project plan for this. I believe it's a plan, right? A detailed project plan with when we're going to order this and, you know, who's... A schedule. A schedule, a project plan with tasks and who's going to do it and... Milestones. Milestones. |
| 02:41:59.34 | Unknown | schedule. |
| 02:42:06.97 | Linda Pfeifer | I think. |
| 02:42:07.30 | Carolyn Ford | et cetera. |
| 02:42:08.30 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you very much. That's exactly what I'd love to see. Just so you know, this weekend, |
| 02:42:08.42 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you very much. |
| 02:42:10.53 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Just so you know, this weekend here there was an electrical fire there, and we've had to put temporary lighting just to have it lit. But that building, I looked at it, I was down there this morning, and the sooner the better, really. The sooner the better. Yes, it's a disgrace. Okay. |
| 02:42:28.03 | Mike Kelly | Really? |
| 02:42:29.78 | Mike Kelly | Yes, the show. So I move that we proceed on this strategy. I second. |
| 02:42:36.82 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:42:37.68 | Herb Weiner | All them favor. Bye. |
| 02:42:38.84 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:42:38.98 | Carolyn Ford | I... |
| 02:42:39.37 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:42:39.50 | Carolyn Ford | you |
| 02:42:39.57 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:42:40.70 | Herb Weiner | Oh, yeah. |
| 02:42:41.17 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:42:43.05 | Linda Pfeifer | Oh, yeah. Sorry. |
| 02:42:44.09 | Herb Weiner | Ha ha ha. |
| 02:42:44.55 | Linda Pfeifer | We take our vote back. We got too excited, babe. Anytime it gets empty, 10 minutes. |
| 02:42:47.64 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 02:42:48.02 | Michael Rex | Bye. |
| 02:42:48.07 | Herb Weiner | Mr. I'm a good example. |
| 02:42:48.97 | Michael Rex | You know how I use things. Sorry, Michael Rex. Hi, I'm Michael Rex. I'm, I'm, I follow this along as you can imagine. And I'm glad you're trying to set a clear direction. I'd like to suggest, though, an amendment to this strategy. |
| 02:42:49.20 | Herb Weiner | back in Ohio. Oh, man. |
| 02:42:50.42 | Linda Pfeifer | No, no. |
| 02:42:51.06 | Herb Weiner | So... |
| 02:42:51.62 | Linda Pfeifer | I like it. |
| 02:42:51.89 | Herb Weiner | Right. |
| 02:43:05.34 | Michael Rex | I wouldn't tear the building down, the existing building down. Yeah. I think that building may have a reuse and a very good reuse perhaps for a different use. And I think there's a couple viable alternatives where those restrooms could go. I'd only like to suggest, maybe the building should come down. But before you take it down, I think if you put up some portables, and I'm sure space could be found, and then you replace those with this temporary one, as I can see it here, so you can permit the time to plan a permanent solution. I would, if you move A down a little bit and make it part of the discussion of a permanent solution, |
| 02:43:35.51 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:43:52.06 | Michael Rex | you may find that that existing building has another viable reuse that would be a benefit of the community and the city in terms of revenue generator. I think if you tear it down, you lose that opportunity. And I think the jury's out on what the permanent solution is, and that the site, would be part of that. Now, I know you voted in the past that you want to save that, you want the restrooms to be on that site, but I think that's a premature decision. And I think it's an unfortunate first choice that we put restrooms on Bridgeway. I think it's some viable alternatives you should consider as part of this study for a permanent solution. A, B, and C buys you that time. So I'm just suggesting don't burn your bridges. You're lying in four months. And I bet you we could find a place to put those, that interim solution. |
| 02:44:41.22 | Eckhart Nolak | Bye. |
| 02:44:41.74 | David Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:44:47.63 | Michael Rex | Um... without putting them right there where the building exists. |
| 02:44:52.38 | Mike Kelly | Could I? |
| 02:44:53.03 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:44:53.24 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:44:53.81 | Herb Weiner | First of all, if you change it, it's 1128, and we go through a whole deal there that I'm not really looking at. And, Michael, I really look, I mean, I just didn't walk into that building today, this morning, and I've been there before, but I really looked into the walls and why the wiring did catch fire and how those walls, basically you could take your thumb and I could push it right through from the inside to the outside just with my thumb because the wood and everything else is just rotted right through. |
| 02:45:34.02 | Michael Rex | Boo. Well, I asked Jonathan Goldman at point blank. Is that building so shot it couldn't be rehabbed? And I expected him to say, yeah. |
| 02:45:42.33 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:45:42.83 | Michael Rex | And he didn't. I respect |
| 02:45:43.73 | Mike Kelly | I respectfully disagree with him. Well, because I went through it very carefully about a week ago, a little before our meeting. And I want to tell you, it's just where would you start? I mean, you couldn't take it down. There's nothing you could pick up with a forklift that would collapse. So where would it go? Let me tell you all. |
| 02:45:51.35 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:45:51.39 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:46:02.05 | Michael Rex | Let me tell you, is it rehabable? Oh, I'm not trying to save the building to move it. |
| 02:46:06.83 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:46:07.15 | Michael Rex | I think if that frame is not totally shot, right? It is. |
| 02:46:07.25 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:46:11.25 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 02:46:11.27 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, it is. |
| 02:46:12.77 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:46:13.12 | Carolyn Ford | And I looked at it too, Michael. And the ceiling is falling down inside. Yeah. |
| 02:46:13.17 | Mike Kelly | I mean, I... |
| 02:46:13.41 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:46:17.58 | Michael Rex | It's falling down. Yeah. |
| 02:46:20.29 | Mike Kelly | the outside are decayed. |
| 02:46:21.41 | Carolyn Ford | I mean. |
| 02:46:21.66 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:46:21.80 | Michael Rex | Well, I asked Jonathan point blank that, is that building beyond repair? And he said no. He thought maybe it could be rehab. So maybe it's just misinformation. |
| 02:46:24.11 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:46:24.16 | Mike Kelly | Is that building? |
| 02:46:28.76 | Jonathan Leone | Maybe it's... this misinformation. He's being kind. |
| 02:46:30.35 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:46:32.02 | Jonathan Leone | I think, sorry to miss a little bit there, but you could. We went through this exercise before. as much, if not more, because none of it meets a current ADA. No, I'm not telling you about it for a rest. |
| 02:46:40.59 | Michael Rex | No, I'm not telling him about it for a rest of your life. No, he's just a good structure. |
| 02:46:42.65 | Mike Kelly | And the second issue, you know, if we didn't have 1128, |
| 02:46:46.70 | Michael Rex | you |
| 02:46:49.84 | Mike Kelly | then we could look at other sites. But we've got 1128, and I guarantee you that somebody in this community is going to say 1128 prevails. And more than a 5% taking of any of those lots causes a public vote. Well, remember, if I'm looking for a- The last thing I want to do is spend $10,000 or $20,000 on a public vote for a restroom. Would you be able to- |
| 02:46:57.72 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:46:57.74 | Chuck Donald | Uh-huh. |
| 02:46:58.13 | David Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:47:02.55 | Chuck Donald | Yeah, let's see. Well, remember, if I... Yeah. |
| 02:47:07.90 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 02:47:10.63 | Chuck Donald | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:47:10.67 | Herb Weiner | Would you be able to remember that? |
| 02:47:12.02 | Carolyn Ford | May I say something to that point? |
| 02:47:13.20 | Herb Weiner | Good night. Would you be interested in purchasing that? |
| 02:47:17.53 | Michael Rex | No, I don't want to move. |
| 02:47:17.92 | Herb Weiner | I don't know. Bye. |
| 02:47:18.83 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:47:18.87 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 02:47:19.76 | Carolyn Ford | If we go with this plan, And we put the temporary bathrooms there on the same site. If we choose to then look at another site to design a bathroom and whatnot, we could use the temporary facility and still look at another site. Right now, though, the roadblock is 1128 and it covers all the parking lots and all and the two parks down there so |
| 02:47:46.54 | Matthew Stewart | Right. |
| 02:47:52.68 | Carolyn Ford | But we do have that option in the future with this plan. |
| 02:47:57.09 | Michael Rex | I just, I won't argue with you, but let me just say this. If the building that's there is physically shot, beyond where it would make economic sense to keep it and reuse it for something other than restrooms. then there's no point to keeping it. |
| 02:48:13.95 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:48:14.37 | Michael Rex | And I agree with you that the permanent solution gives you the opportunity to put it somewhere else. And I was basing my recommendation on what the answer I got from Jonathan Goldman. I haven't personally inspected the physical frame of that building, okay? If that's the case, that it's shot, then okay, fine. |
| 02:48:27.72 | Linda Pfeifer | I haven't. |
| 02:48:28.49 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:48:28.51 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 02:48:35.92 | Michael Rex | The last thing I want to mention, 1128 is 5% of all the lots combined as far as I understand it. And I think you can find some alternatives for a permanent public restroom that's not on Bridgeway without impacting 5% of the lots. In fact, I've done a plan that didn't even lose parking in lot two. So I think, I'd like to hope that when you look at this permanent solution, that you keep an open mind that whoever's working on it can explore some alternative sites because I don't think it's a good place to put public restrooms on our main street. Period. And last comment. If we're tripping over 1128, I want to personally go on record that if I've kept a list, I've run out of fingers counting how many times this town has tripped over that ordinance. It was a bad ordinance. This council had a gun to its head, more or less, an ultimatum. And I'm repeatedly seeing a strip over this ordinance. Maybe at some point it's time to revisit that ordinance. I'll just go on record for that. |
| 02:49:24.42 | Matthew Stewart | Bye. |
| 02:49:24.53 | Eckhart Nolak | Yes. |
| 02:49:24.72 | Matthew Stewart | So, yeah. |
| 02:49:42.71 | Herb Weiner | Okay, I'm really, go ahead, Council Member. Mary? |
| 02:49:45.09 | Michael Rex | Go ahead, Councilman. |
| 02:49:45.97 | Jonathan Leone | Mary. |
| 02:49:48.01 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:49:48.02 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Reconstructing this bathroom does not necessarily trigger 1128. get this? Yeah. |
| 02:49:54.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:49:54.54 | Mike Kelly | No. |
| 02:49:55.08 | Mary Wagner | Not on the outside. |
| 02:49:55.47 | Mike Kelly | On the same side. Thank you. |
| 02:49:57.00 | Jonathan Leone | Right. |
| 02:49:57.05 | Mary Wagner | keeping the bathroom in its current location doesn't trigger 1128 potentially moving more |
| 02:50:02.69 | Jonathan Leone | potentially moving one twenty eight doesn't cover all the call that's a lot three and yes it does go there all of it one two three and four |
| 02:50:07.67 | Mike Kelly | Yes, it does. It doesn't color all of it. One, two, three, and four shall be used for no other purpose. And it goes on to say that downtown parking would not be increased or decreased by greater than 5% from the existing one. How can you regulate that? |
| 02:50:10.98 | John Peckman | the usual |
| 02:50:11.51 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 02:50:12.75 | John Peckman | Right. |
| 02:50:13.03 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:50:13.30 | John Peckman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:50:20.53 | Jonathan Leone | How can you regulate lots free when you don't even own the land? Well, you know, this is a trouble. You just agreed that we didn't own it, so why? Well, we don't know. We don't know. Well, that's a little issue. |
| 02:50:24.66 | Mike Kelly | Well, you know, this is the trouble. Thank you. |
| 02:50:28.12 | Herb Weiner | Well, we don't. |
| 02:50:28.68 | Mike Kelly | No, we don't know. That's another issue. You know, all the ordinances are open to incredible, I mean, you know, initiatives are open to incredible interpretation, as you know. |
| 02:50:33.72 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:50:33.74 | Herb Weiner | And if you do. |
| 02:50:40.00 | Herb Weiner | Well, look, this is a need. We have to bite the bullet on this. and really get it done. As far as its location, I know it's on Bridgeway, What do you want to do hide it? I mean so I think we're let's just bring it to an agreement or consensus and move on. |
| 02:51:06.44 | Jonathan Leone | Can we disband this nonsense to have a subcommittee about a bathroom? |
| 02:51:12.79 | Mike Kelly | Well, we're going to get the rest of the data and come back. Just on the list. 27 for approval. Yeah. Yeah. That's all. Let it go. It's a good thing. It is a good thing. |
| 02:51:16.35 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:51:16.40 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, sir. |
| 02:51:18.86 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:51:18.97 | Jonathan Leone | That's all. |
| 02:51:19.56 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:51:19.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:19.79 | Jonathan Leone | Right. Can't we delegate this to the staff? |
| 02:51:24.01 | Mike Kelly | No, that was the problem. It just kept getting. So we've got landmarks, planning, and council. And if we can get a consensus there, we get the restrooms bill. |
| 02:51:26.05 | Unknown | It wasn't. |
| 02:51:32.01 | Jonathan Leone | We get the restrooms built. How do you ever expect to get things done if you're going to churn just like on that parking booth on this stuff? |
| 02:51:34.34 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:51:38.45 | Mike Kelly | MR. I'll move on. MR. This is actually progress. Thank you. |
| 02:51:42.89 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:51:42.91 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:51:42.93 | Unknown | Yes, it is. Amen. |
| 02:51:43.00 | Mike Kelly | Yes, it is. Amen. High five. High five. Okay. |
| 02:51:44.97 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:51:45.04 | Jonathan Leone | High five. |
| 02:51:45.97 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 02:51:46.03 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. How long did you debate this last name? |
| 02:51:49.95 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:51:51.75 | Mike Kelly | longer than I care to talk about. Long enough. But the committee met for exactly one and a half hours to come up with this plan. So that's it. Yes. |
| 02:51:54.27 | Jonathan Leone | I'm going to... But we... But the committee... |
| 02:51:55.87 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:51:59.25 | Mike Kelly | Yes, yeah. |
| 02:52:00.88 | Herb Weiner | Let's do something. Okay, what do we have on the board here? |
| 02:52:00.90 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:52:00.95 | Mike Kelly | Let's just start. |
| 02:52:01.67 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:52:01.78 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:52:04.09 | Mike Kelly | So did we vote? We didn't vote. |
| 02:52:05.89 | Mike Kelly | We've got a lot of people. Please. Okay. |
| 02:52:09.05 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:52:09.42 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:52:09.56 | Mike Kelly | Just about to move the strategy forward and come back on the 19th. I keep saying the 19th. We've got with the project plan. |
| 02:52:17.50 | Mike Kelly | It's a project. |
| 02:52:19.29 | Linda Pfeifer | with. |
| 02:52:19.66 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:52:19.73 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:52:19.75 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:52:19.78 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:52:20.03 | Mike Kelly | There's no... |
| 02:52:20.71 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:52:20.74 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:52:20.96 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:52:21.03 | Mike Kelly | Nothing in the... |
| 02:52:21.98 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 02:52:22.30 | Mike Kelly | So, |
| 02:52:22.55 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:52:22.63 | Mike Kelly | that |
| 02:52:22.67 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:52:22.68 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. No, just this strategy up here. A, B, C. Nothing else. |
| 02:52:23.19 | Mike Kelly | No. Thank you. |
| 02:52:24.03 | Mike Kelly | It's a pleasure. |
| 02:52:24.46 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:52:28.46 | Amy Belzer | So you moved it. Thank you. |
| 02:52:29.65 | Herb Weiner | Yep. |
| 02:52:30.16 | Amy Belzer | Five seconds. |
| 02:52:31.70 | Herb Weiner | Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 02:52:33.08 | Amy Belzer | Bye. |
| 02:52:33.74 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Stay on this |
| 02:52:35.73 | Herb Weiner | Okay, don't hold it in. |
| 02:52:39.71 | Mike Kelly | Okay. Moving along. |
| 02:52:39.75 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. Moving along. |
| 02:52:42.38 | Herb Weiner | you Sorry to keep your folks waiting a little behind. It'll be one of my longest meetings. Okay, let's go with authorizing a pedestrian and bicycle action committee. Todd, sorry to keep your light. |
| 02:52:47.51 | Mike Kelly | my longest meetings. |
| 02:52:56.75 | Mike Kelly | I'm not sure. |
| 02:52:57.06 | Unknown | So I'm going to be very brief. Last time you talked, you directed that we return to you tonight with |
| 02:52:57.09 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:52:57.13 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:52:57.14 | Mike Kelly | So... |
| 02:53:09.51 | Unknown | you the mechanism for a committee. I worked with Mary. We started with a resolution that David Hoffman of the Bicycle Coalition prepared. But based on the discussion the council |
| 02:53:13.01 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:53:25.56 | Unknown | gave us last time, we understood that you desired a committee. So what before you? is a recommendation to adopt a resolution of form pedestrian bicycle committee, as it's a committee, it has to be membered by 100% by residents. The bicycle coalition suggested at least one member be optionally outside of the town. And if the council supported that idea, it couldn't be a committee anymore. |
| 02:54:06.89 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 02:54:07.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:08.03 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:54:08.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:08.09 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:54:08.15 | Unknown | No, it would deviate from Section 2.5A of the municipal code. |
| 02:54:08.17 | Mike Kelly | No, you just get to the room again. |
| 02:54:14.68 | Mike Kelly | What if it was non-voting ad hoc? |
| 02:54:17.25 | Unknown | If it was a task force, not a committee, then the membership could be non-resident. |
| 02:54:23.05 | Mike Kelly | Isn't the art, wasn't the art? |
| 02:54:23.09 | Unknown | It's like. and they should know what's going on. |
| 02:54:24.89 | Mike Kelly | mission. |
| 02:54:25.42 | Linda Pfeifer | The Arts Commission was residents. We had an advisory board that was comprised of non-residents. |
| 02:54:27.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:27.71 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 02:54:31.91 | Jonathan Leone | to have non-restings. Two advisory members. |
| 02:54:33.23 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 02:54:35.68 | Peter | Yes. |
| 02:54:35.96 | Leslie Alden | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:54:36.55 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, that's right. |
| 02:54:36.60 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:54:39.05 | Herb Weiner | Council member. |
| 02:54:39.51 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:54:39.54 | Carolyn Ford | with this. Well, we discussed this last time, by the way, |
| 02:54:43.07 | Herb Weiner | Councilmember Ford. |
| 02:54:49.82 | Carolyn Ford | Before discussion, shouldn't we have heard of it? Thank you. |
| 02:54:52.45 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:54:53.02 | Jonathan Leone | Do we have anything else to say? Oh, do we have any other questions? |
| 02:54:53.12 | Linda Pfeifer | anything else. Oh, do we have any questions? Thank you. |
| 02:54:55.61 | Jonathan Leone | . |
| 02:54:55.93 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 02:54:56.09 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:54:56.13 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:54:56.21 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:54:56.26 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:54:56.30 | Adam Krivatsch | you |
| 02:54:56.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:54:56.69 | Unknown | Okay. So we're suggesting you adopt the resolution which creates a five member committee that goes under the rules under 2.58. If you want to change that, let us know. |
| 02:54:56.70 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:54:56.74 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:54:56.77 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:54:56.91 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:54:57.04 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:54:57.11 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:55:08.75 | David Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:55:08.80 | Jonathan Leone | If you want to change that. Just a quick question, Todd, before you step down. in terms of the number and |
| 02:55:24.44 | Jonathan Leone | It's a representation on this versus the number and representation that you originally talked about previously. Can you just reacquaint me with how this is different? |
| 02:55:34.42 | Unknown | The earlier iterations had two resident pedestrian advocates, two resident bicycle advocates, and a fifth member who could be non-resident and could be either a bicycle advocate or a pedestrian advocate, depending on the council's wishes. |
| 02:55:36.19 | Jonathan Leone | not just this earlier iteration. |
| 02:55:58.77 | Unknown | I have a question. |
| 02:55:59.04 | Jonathan Leone | I have a question. That was what you had before. |
| 02:56:01.49 | Unknown | That was a preliminary suggestion. Thank you. Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 02:56:03.33 | Jonathan Leone | That was a preliminary. |
| 02:56:04.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:07.10 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. I know that when we discussed the composition of this committee, one of the ideas was to make the third a person have two pedestrians, two bicycles and perhaps a third committee member kind of representative of the stairs in Saucero which are unique to Saucero. |
| 02:56:28.98 | Herb Weiner | No. I don't think you'll be seeing too many bikes going down the stairs. I think the council... |
| 02:56:32.38 | Unknown | Yes, there is. Thank you. |
| 02:56:33.95 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, but it's... |
| 02:56:34.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:35.02 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:56:35.12 | Unknown | I think that's a part of it. |
| 02:56:35.17 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:56:35.20 | Linda Pfeifer | I think that's a point the council can |
| 02:56:35.98 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 02:56:36.03 | Unknown | I think the council can discuss amongst themselves. Okay. Okay. We did consider just, you know, just an at-large member of the community who is not a pedestrian but |
| 02:56:37.11 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:56:40.43 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. |
| 02:56:49.60 | Unknown | or a stair or a bicycle person just |
| 02:56:52.70 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:56:52.72 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:56:52.74 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:56:52.77 | Jonathan Leone | Just. Human beings. |
| 02:56:55.55 | Unknown | I can't. |
| 02:56:56.75 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:56:57.04 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you Todd. |
| 02:56:57.73 | Carolyn Ford | This is pure. |
| 02:56:58.32 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:56:58.34 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:56:58.39 | Linda Pfeifer | Thanks. |
| 02:56:58.64 | Carolyn Ford | Thanks. Just the point of clarification, I think we did consider that one of the pedestrian members would have a background in stairways. But I don't think we decided to put it in that way. We just said three pedestrians. And the other thing we looked at was the demographics of Sausalito with an older population and more walkers. |
| 02:57:21.93 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 02:57:22.66 | Mike Kelly | I don't want us to be necessarily tied to. We should just pick our members like we just do. We should pick equal two and then the third one, I mean the fifth one, could be either way, depending on who's available or whatever. Yeah, what's going on. And what do you mean? |
| 02:57:28.22 | Herb Weiner | We should just pick our members like we just do. |
| 02:57:30.60 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:57:32.44 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 02:57:37.28 | Mike Kelly | available or whatever, yeah, what's going on. Yeah, I mean, because I'm underwired. |
| 02:57:41.15 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:57:41.39 | Mike Kelly | That's it. |
| 02:57:41.67 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:57:42.33 | Mike Kelly | So. Thank you. |
| 02:57:43.09 | Herb Weiner | It was just a question, just a clarification. And that means if you pick two that have a bike, and that means you can't pick a third one? I mean, most of these people in this town, especially the younger generation here, have bikes. |
| 02:57:43.39 | Mike Kelly | It was just a question, just a clarification. |
| 02:57:53.72 | Mike Kelly | And I don't think. Okay, we're in discussion. |
| 02:57:56.32 | Herb Weiner | Okay, we're in discussion. All right, any comments from the public? David, I... David and then Adam. |
| 02:58:08.91 | David Hoffman | David Hoffman, Director of Planning, Marin County Bicycle Coalition. I took a look at the staff report online and My one comment is that I think that the town is actually in some ways handcuffing yourself by determining up front the ratio of bicycle and pedestrian components in the committee. I think that the town's needs are going to change over the coming years. And as you all know, there's the work to be done about the bicycle rental traffic that comes in, plus all of the work to be done on the south end of town. There will be times where you're going to have big pedestrian needs. And so I think if you write into this resolution, the committee makeup will be bound by a certain number of local experts or advocates. You actually lose some ability to really mobilize the committee when you have big pedestrian issues or big bicycle issues. So I'd actually recommend that you just leave it at 5 and then build your committee with what your need is at the time. So outside of that, Um, I see no other issues with the resolution as it's being presented to you, and I urge you to move it forward. And as always, I look forward to working with you folks moving forward to help build your committee and improve your town. Thank you. |
| 02:59:25.47 | Jonathan Leone | David, a quick question for you. They're experts and they're experts. And your ability to both know what's state of the art and also access funding to even implement some of whatever comes out of this committee depends on involving those who may not live within the city boundaries. So from the bicycle coalition's point of view, is in a perfect world. what would the Bicycle Coalition like? How would the Bicycle Coalition like to interact with this Committee Not that one way is better than the other, but just from your point of view, how would you see this being different to adequately both represent bicyclists in general, and also to make sure we could help Sausalito get money to do some of these programs that we want to do? |
| 03:00:23.35 | David Hoffman | Sure. So I'll answer your question, then I have one add-on point, which is not related. Okay. Just throw anything out there. So the way that MCDC interacts with the local bicycle and pedestrian advocacy committees or advisory committees is that we are a non-voting participant of the public. my job or whoever would be doing my job simply comes in to provide advice to the members of the committee, provide what the coalition's perspective is. We work very closely with city staff to help identify funding sources either at the time if we hear something that comes up in the meeting we we can say, we heard about this funding source. And we also work with the staff, usually outside of the committee, to help |
| 03:00:31.03 | Jonathan Leone | Just throw anything out there. So the way that MCD |
| 03:01:14.69 | David Hoffman | Um... sort of pre-package a lot of the contents that will be presented to the public so that they can make an informed decision. For the most part we really wish that the local citizens actually take the direction of the committee in their own hands and MCDC would only step in if things were really going a direction that would be detrimental to the city or detrimental to the committee. And even at that point all I can do is advise. I have no ability to impact that. The second point was regarding Section 2.58 and the difference between a task force and a committee. It's a city ordinance that I'm not familiar with, and so when I had talked about forming a committee, I didn't realize that 258 precluded any residents outside of the city limits. So at the time, my recommendation was, for instance, to pull in some folks from the harbor or maybe an incorporated area that would work. Basically, are considered Sausalito, but not really a resident. So it's not a point of contention with me. It was just I didn't know. |
| 03:02:19.89 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:02:21.78 | David Hoffman | Other questions? Thank you very much. |
| 03:02:24.53 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, David. Adam and then Dorothy. |
| 03:02:29.95 | Adam Krivatsch | Good evening, everybody. Adam Krivatsch, 840 Olima Street. I'm a veteran of committee memberships. I would like to ask the question, why five? Why not seven? Because there are always some absentees. There are reasons why people cannot participate in scheduled meetings. If a five-member committee is forced to work together on a chosen evening or afternoon and two members are not there, they are already really handicapped. consider larger numbers. This is not a planning commission. This is not a city council. It doesn't have to be five. You can choose seven members. The mix is, to me, is unimportant because people will think about a multi-purpose trail where both the bicycling and pedestrian traffic will have to be considered, baby carriages, bicycles, kids, whatever. And the issue is how this... linear physical improvement, paralleling an already very linear I've... band of asphalt and added landscaping plus lighting We all, compliments. the city and be fit in the city as an urban design component of the city. We already have a very major Um, uh, linear feature going through our city. Now we are going to improve Thank you. Thank you. the environment next to it, so we should think about how this can be landscaped, can be illuminated, made less offensive and not an engineering feature, but a nice part of the community. And I would like to that you include a landscape architect for sure in this group and it's not just bicyclists but there should be a landscape architect who is part of it because one has to think about how this is going to be beautified. |
| 03:05:12.02 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Edna. Dorothy. |
| 03:05:21.01 | Dorothy Gibson | Dorothy Gibson, I'm trying to put myself on this committee. |
| 03:05:25.85 | Mike Kelly | LAUGHTER |
| 03:05:28.18 | Dorothy Gibson | I was on the transportation committee and it had its problems but it did come up with some pretty good things. Um, I would need to go back. I don't know about you, but I would need to go back. to the history of the purpose of this committee. and what its charge is. Why are bicycles and pedestrians lopped together? We have things in common, but we have many things that are not in common. Um. So that's what I... That's what I think needs to be done. I think we need to consider we need to make a decision It's where This is a permanent committee. And that means do you really need business? Do we have some authority? Can we make recommendations to you? Um... if you get it to be bigger than five, then you're going to have it fractions of you're going to have a bicycle interest over here, you're going to have a pet interest over here, and maybe some automobiles interested in here. You're going to get it. Too diffuse is my word. it needs to be shaped up. and there used to be time limits. and people need to have some authority and some conscience And they're going to do a job and do it and get it done. |
| 03:06:52.15 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Dorothy. Okay, well, let's bring it back up here and comments to say what direction. |
| 03:07:01.08 | Mike Kelly | DURING THEM. I hear what Adam says about seven. We know that our experience of trying to find seven people is really difficult. It shows. |
| 03:07:07.80 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:07:07.81 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:07:07.96 | Jonathan Leone | I'm getting it. Thank you. |
| 03:07:11.14 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 03:07:11.17 | Jonathan Leone | We always get forward to show up. |
| 03:07:12.33 | Mike Kelly | And then get four to show up, yeah, which is better to get only three to show up in the five committee members. So I think that it should be five. I think that it should be, instead of having it, I agree with David, instead of hamstringing ourselves, why don't we just change the language as five members, a mixture of bicycle advocates and pedestrian advocates. And then we can, the council can move back and forth as is necessary. So we're not hamstrung into, we can't find two bicycle advocates. They all find two pedestrian advocates. |
| 03:07:44.18 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:07:44.21 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:07:44.74 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:07:44.75 | Linda Pfeifer | to the city. Yeah. |
| 03:07:47.98 | Mike Kelly | So that's my only comment. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:07:49.66 | Linda Pfeifer | Jonathan did you want to say? Okay. So I hear what you're saying about having, you know, not hamstringing ourselves, not, you know, locking us into having, you know, 50% and 50% or whatever. But at the same time, I think that even with just |
| 03:07:50.79 | Herb Weiner | Go ahead. |
| 03:08:10.89 | Linda Pfeifer | that are solely bicycle issues that pedestrians have a viewpoint on that as well. And that's why, and I also think that there is a danger of Um... you know, having a committee, because I've seen this before, having a pedestrian bicycle committee become too bicycle focus without that pedestrian viewpoint. I think the pedestrians oftentimes will drive as many bicycle projects as the cyclists because they don't have cyclists on the sidewalks, etc. I personally like the idea of having, you know, kind of saying we'd like to have at least two solid representatives of the pedestrian community and two representatives of the cyclist committee. And if we want to keep the third person free, that's fine. But I really think that there's a benefit there because I think it helps the perspectives. |
| 03:09:19.67 | Mike Kelly | But it seems to me it falls on the council to pick the people And so the council always has control of whether there's two or three or one or whatever. So if we take that away from the council, then the council has to redo the ordinance to figure out if the mix isn't working right. What are we going to do? What are we going to do? |
| 03:09:39.28 | Herb Weiner | What are we going to say there on an interview and ask someone, do you have a bicycle? Therefore, if you have a bicycle, and we already have to, then you can't be on that. I think the merit is how we pick and choose, like we do any, somebody else on an interview of a committee. Let's pick the people that we think will be a benefit to this, not whether they have a bicycle or they don't have a bicycle. |
| 03:09:57.91 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 03:10:04.10 | Herb Weiner | Really, I mean, I hate to get into that. |
| 03:10:05.15 | Linda Pfeifer | I hate you. that. Could I respond? I just want to respond. Okay. David, you want to make a |
| 03:10:07.19 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 03:10:10.67 | Herb Weiner | David, do you want to make a comment? And then we will bury it. |
| 03:10:14.03 | David Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 03:10:14.36 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:10:14.45 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:10:14.47 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:10:14.50 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:10:17.10 | David Hoffman | So with all respect, Councilman Pfeiffer, I understand where you're coming from. And having attended a lot, a lot of bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee meetings in the last four years, it turns out that every single one of us in the room is a pedestrian. And so, and I don't mean that to be funny or to make, in all seriousness, when... You have to ride your bike up on that chair. Yes. but when it comes to reviewing pedestrian projects on the Bicycle and Pedestrian Committee, my experience has been that the really engaged groups, it doesn't matter if it's a bike issue or a pet issue. It becomes sort of a group issue. And, in fact, the bicyclists typically can sort of get out of the saddle and back onto the ground and imagine the project as they would like to see it as a pedestrian. |
| 03:10:39.12 | Jonathan Leone | You have to ride your bike up on that chair. |
| 03:10:42.02 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:10:42.97 | Jonathan Leone | But |
| 03:11:12.16 | David Hoffman | I understand your concern. My experience tells me that for the most part there is very little friction between the bikes and the PED folks on these committees. Even in places like Novato, San Rafael, Tiburon, Fairfax, San Francisco. I attend all of these meetings and it's usually not an issue. It only becomes really an issue when you've got a local neighborhood that has a specific agenda like they want to not put in a sidewalk and they want to keep something sort of rural. And that becomes sort of a local issue but it's not a bike pet issue. it's a neighborhood specific. problem. I wanted to allay your concerns that I think that you're going to find that a lot of your good bicycle people will also make really good pedestrian advocates and the pet advocates who see all the bicyclists around town have some very strongly held opinions about what should be done as well. So it really does go both ways. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:12:19.26 | Roberta Malloy | Roberta Malloy, Spring Street. I understand what you're saying about the difficulty oftentimes getting enough people to volunteer. I'm just wondering if there's the possibility of saying that the committee would be no less than five and no more than seven. and if in fact you do get a large number of people volunteering that you might have a better selection and it could give you the option to have seven or struggle for five. |
| 03:12:47.93 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Roberta. That is a good idea. Council Member of Grion? |
| 03:12:48.06 | Mike Kelly | . |
| 03:12:48.13 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:12:48.26 | Roberta Malloy | Thank you. |
| 03:12:48.62 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:12:48.64 | Roberta Malloy | Thank you. |
| 03:12:48.65 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:12:48.67 | Roberta Malloy | Thank you. |
| 03:12:48.69 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. Yeah. Very well. No. What would the quorum be then if you have that language? Can you define what the quorum is differently than the majority of the maximum? |
| 03:12:59.20 | Mary Wagner | Well, if you were to interview and decide to appoint seven members, you're |
| 03:13:02.83 | Jonathan Leone | First. |
| 03:13:04.30 | Mary Wagner | your quorum is always a majority of the total membership so you need to set it at a point and if you want to change it you need to change it and I would always recommend that it be an odd number and not six |
| 03:13:07.52 | Unknown | I'm going to be here. |
| 03:13:07.54 | Mike Kelly | You'd need to set it. |
| 03:13:11.32 | Jonathan Leone | Right. Yeah, right. And not six. But it's not how many you appoint, you'd have to say, |
| 03:13:19.13 | Mary Wagner | How many places are available? |
| 03:13:21.44 | Jonathan Leone | So it would be five in the case of seven. Five lost seven. |
| 03:13:22.72 | Mary Wagner | Yes, sir. It's four in the case of seven. Four, sorry. And three in the case of five. |
| 03:13:25.88 | Jonathan Leone | Four, sorry. And three in the case of five. But if you had 527? I would suggest that the California... |
| 03:13:31.33 | Mary Wagner | I would suggest that the council could create the committee to make the flexibility, but that the council then when you first appoint, you have to fix it. but then you can change it without changing the resolution later. But you'd have to definitely take an action to clarify how many members you want on that committee. |
| 03:13:47.97 | Jonathan Leone | Which has been a mistake in the past where the quorum wasn't defined with these larger nine members seven members And they wouldn't when they weren't full so |
| 03:13:57.76 | Herb Weiner | Okay, so do we have a recommendation on adopting resolution? |
| 03:14:02.47 | Jonathan Leone | Before you move, can I just suggest what you had done, five people or five to seven and having it just general, just no specific advocacy in either way. And I think that art commission structure that we put together was a good one where hopefully we'll get some people to interview for the art commission, but that you have two advisors. I mean, I think the one that always comes back to mind for me is that Vicki and Nancy, you hear from this telecommunications thing where it was, you had all the wireless companies as advisors. They weren't the biggest fan. |
| 03:14:03.24 | Mike Kelly | I'm looking forward to it. |
| 03:14:05.52 | Herb Weiner | Good. |
| 03:14:09.49 | Herb Weiner | The ceiling reform. |
| 03:14:27.05 | Herb Weiner | We're just starting out. |
| 03:14:41.78 | Jonathan Leone | They didn't, but they voted, and I would go back to that one and just make them non-voting. Yeah, non-voting and |
| 03:14:46.07 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 03:14:47.22 | Matthew Stewart | No. |
| 03:14:49.04 | Jonathan Leone | It's interesting how come they could vote in that, even this. But the... It was Nancy's fault. |
| 03:14:52.23 | Herb Weiner | It was Nancy's fault. |
| 03:14:54.08 | Jonathan Leone | But it was actually very helpful to have them there, even though you may not agree with their points of view, to educate. So even if you're anti-bicycle coalition or anti-people walking anywhere and you only sell scooters or whatever for people that you don't want to walk anywhere, that having some people from outside of this little 7,000 people pool is very helpful, especially if you want expertise. that having some people from outside of this little 7,000 people pool is very helpful, especially if you want expertise. |
| 03:14:54.12 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. Amen. |
| 03:14:55.03 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:14:55.10 | Herb Weiner | I'm not. |
| 03:14:55.98 | Mike Kelly | But it was actually very |
| 03:15:09.02 | Matthew Stewart | it. Scooter. |
| 03:15:18.99 | Linda Pfeifer | $7,000. |
| 03:15:26.20 | Jonathan Leone | I would suggest that five to seven with two advisory. Two advisory at the pleasure of the council. Yeah. |
| 03:15:26.69 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:15:27.04 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:15:27.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:15:32.36 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:15:32.59 | Herb Weiner | Mary. |
| 03:15:33.73 | Mary Wagner | So, five to seven actual members, and you're going to set that number |
| 03:15:33.98 | Herb Weiner | So, |
| 03:15:34.20 | Mike Kelly | So, |
| 03:15:34.26 | Jonathan Leone | So, we're going to have a |
| 03:15:38.18 | Mary Wagner | at some point. And then also two non-voting advisory positions appointed by Council. |
| 03:15:39.46 | Jonathan Leone | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 03:15:44.29 | Jonathan Leone | just put it in the language to say at the moment of appointment the council must set the quorum the size of the task of the committee at that moment in time and it can be reset by later resolution yeah I mean it's somewhat of a |
| 03:15:56.32 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, I mean it's somewhat of a distinction without a difference because it's a resolution so you could always tinker. Right, you could always change it but for future councils they will |
| 03:15:59.44 | Jonathan Leone | So you could always tinker. Right, you could always change it, but for future council to say, well, hey, I know we need to determine a difference. |
| 03:16:02.78 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 03:16:03.04 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:16:03.05 | Mike Kelly | I know we need to. I've been in a minute. |
| 03:16:04.81 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:16:04.83 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:16:04.84 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:16:04.86 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:16:04.88 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:16:04.99 | Mike Kelly | I don't know what it's like. |
| 03:16:05.01 | Jonathan Leone | one at a time, how to do fluoride. |
| 03:16:05.40 | Mary Wagner | I don't know how to do fluoride. |
| 03:16:06.67 | Mike Kelly | in a mixture instead of the numbers. I know. |
| 03:16:09.50 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:16:09.52 | Mary Wagner | So can I just make sure I can recap this? So we're going to change the be it further resolve so that it's going to be comprised of five to seven members as established by the city council. And then instead of saying a minimum of blah, blah, blah, you want to just say a mixture of and. |
| 03:16:23.32 | Jonathan Leone | I'm just going to just... Bicycle and. OK. You could be an average show, too. I mean, come on. You could be just a few. Well, just a mixture of. |
| 03:16:30.46 | Mike Kelly | Well, just a mixture of it gives you a right to do it. |
| 03:16:33.70 | Mary Wagner | Adam, do you want to? And two advisory that don't have to be residents. |
| 03:16:33.75 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 03:16:33.78 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 03:16:33.85 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:16:37.11 | Mike Kelly | That don't have to be residents. |
| 03:16:39.23 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:16:40.63 | Mary Wagner | . |
| 03:16:40.89 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:16:40.97 | Mike Kelly | Some boy knew it. |
| 03:16:41.90 | Adam Krivatsch | I have a question. It is not clear from listening to the Council's discussion whether This group is expected to advise the Council on the basis of a vote or whether this group is expected to work with the planners and engineers for the path that is being planned and built, will be built hopefully, to advise the professionals how to make it a better part of the community. So I It's a different Roll. As far as the committees I worked on, in the past it was lots of sweating, inquiry, research, learning and hard work, and I cannot say that we voted to decide what we should recommend to the Council, and I cannot say that the Council embraced everything we recommended. |
| 03:17:45.49 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 03:17:50.99 | Adam Krivatsch | so It's more like guiding the professionals who will come up with a document to make it fit better and add to the quality of life of the community. So the voting is not as important as hard work, I think. I'm sorry. |
| 03:18:10.33 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:18:10.34 | Jonathan Leone | of the world. |
| 03:18:10.53 | Mike Kelly | Sorry. |
| 03:18:11.89 | Jonathan Leone | I would respectfully disagree with that because I think that the problems where some of these committees have gotten into is where the work product is shaped so much at the committee level, and then it appears as something that's very different than what the council had some direction on doing. And so I think it's a mixture of the two where sometimes the committees can go off in this direction with good good intentions. I'm not saying with any of that. That's called backpedaling. But then we just went through a discussion somewhat earlier this evening where there's perceptions that a committee went off. And it turns out it isn't. It's just perception, right? |
| 03:18:37.19 | Herb Weiner | That's called backpedaling. And we just, |
| 03:18:48.80 | Jonathan Leone | I would say the first step for this committee is to come up with a mission statement. |
| 03:18:52.11 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:18:52.12 | Mike Kelly | Well, yeah. It's in the resolution here. It's in there. It's in there. Basically what its overall charge is, which is to prepare, help prepare the five-year bicycle pedestrian plan, which is required by state law to get funds. To update. And then to monitor implementation of the plan, and then to also have a venue for planning implementation in the city's bicycle, pedestrian infrastructure. And it's under the office. It's pretty broad, but they can winnow it down and we can help them. |
| 03:18:54.03 | Herb Weiner | It's in the resolution here. |
| 03:18:56.46 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:18:56.48 | Herb Weiner | their website. |
| 03:18:57.24 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:19:09.84 | Linda Pfeifer | to do. |
| 03:19:18.03 | Carolyn Ford | And it's under the office of the THE END OF THE END OF THE Right. And it's under, it's supported by our public works department. Do we have a, I move. Time's taking personal |
| 03:19:26.58 | Linda Pfeifer | Do we have a show? |
| 03:19:27.97 | Mike Kelly | I move. Tyler's taking personal responsibility. Thank you. |
| 03:19:30.70 | Carolyn Ford | Do we have a chef? Let me leave it as you, please. |
| 03:19:30.72 | Mike Kelly | Uh, |
| 03:19:30.97 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:19:31.04 | Mike Kelly | Do we have a checker? Let me leave it as the address. Do you have a checker on it? I believe. |
| 03:19:33.97 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 03:19:34.02 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 03:19:34.04 | Herb Weiner | I don't know. |
| 03:19:34.60 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:19:34.65 | Herb Weiner | I believe |
| 03:19:34.82 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:19:34.97 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:19:35.07 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:19:35.14 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:19:35.16 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:19:35.19 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Did you make a |
| 03:19:35.86 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 03:19:36.07 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:19:36.15 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:19:36.17 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:19:36.29 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:19:36.47 | Mike Kelly | I didn't, but I move with the amendment that we discussed with Mary that we approve this resolution. |
| 03:19:36.49 | Carolyn Ford | No, I didn't. |
| 03:19:41.67 | Mike Kelly | I'm sorry. |
| 03:19:41.74 | Carolyn Ford | second. |
| 03:19:42.50 | Herb Weiner | Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:19:44.52 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 03:19:44.98 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:19:48.08 | Mike Kelly | Bingo. Yay, thank you. Thanks for your help. Thanks for your help. Thanks for staying. Yes. |
| 03:19:53.74 | Mike Kelly | Yes. |
| 03:19:56.52 | Herb Weiner | Okay, this time here, city manager. Report. Sorry for running until late. |
| 03:20:05.26 | Adam Politzer | I'm going to take this opportunity to pass on City Manager's report and answer any questions to the Council. |
| 03:20:05.48 | Herb Weiner | No. |
| 03:20:11.98 | Adam Politzer | If they so choose. |
| 03:20:14.84 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:20:14.91 | Linda Pfeifer | Is this a new protocol? No, he's dead. |
| 03:20:15.13 | Mike Kelly | This is a new, man. |
| 03:20:16.50 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 03:20:16.62 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 03:20:16.67 | Adam Politzer | All right. |
| 03:20:16.74 | Mike Kelly | What? |
| 03:20:20.62 | Adam Politzer | Well, I think a week ago, Friday, we had plenty to discuss. I think you learned everything that there needed to be learned at our strategic planning session, which was, I think, a... |
| 03:20:25.06 | Linda Pfeifer | Oh. |
| 03:20:29.59 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:20:29.61 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 03:20:30.07 | Mike Kelly | Sure. |
| 03:20:30.81 | Adam Politzer | Very nice event and excellent participation. on the management team in the city council and we are preparing the executive report that will be brought forward on the 19th. and published on our website. |
| 03:20:47.33 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. you Good. |
| 03:20:51.75 | Herb Weiner | Any public comment? |
| 03:20:53.93 | Jonathan Leone | How did the fire and ice thing fare? Did you go to that? |
| 03:20:54.45 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:20:58.97 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 03:20:59.87 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, very nice event. Mayor Weiner and I were both there. members of the entire board from the district. Maureen Porton from the aid to Charles McGlashan was there and stepped in as he was an honorary chair. for that evening, so she gave a very emotional and excellent speech on behalf of Charles and the support of our Wow. uh, personnel and Southern Marine Fire in their efforts. But a very nice event. The attendance was a little bit lower than past years, They have a different crowd. They have a crowd that comes after all the speeches. Um... for the dancing and the party, and they had ballet dancing and a nice band, |
| 03:21:43.51 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 03:21:48.30 | Adam Politzer | And KRON, they had two different folks from KRON as their |
| 03:21:48.69 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:21:48.70 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:21:48.75 | Bruce Bagnoli | Thank you. |
| 03:21:54.02 | Adam Politzer | MC for the evening so nice nice event |
| 03:21:56.53 | Herb Weiner | So you missed the belly dance. |
| 03:21:59.49 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 03:21:59.71 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 03:21:59.77 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:22:01.31 | Herb Weiner | All right. Thank you, Adam. This time here, there's no appointments. I'm going to make. So then let's go to future agenda items. |
| 03:22:13.80 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, I have one. I'm looking right at you. |
| 03:22:14.35 | Herb Weiner | I'm looking right at you. |
| 03:22:15.84 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 03:22:15.91 | Carolyn Ford | I know. Thank you. Council member Floyd. |
| 03:22:16.04 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:22:16.18 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 03:22:17.46 | Mike Kelly | I'm sorry. |
| 03:22:17.88 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:22:18.03 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:22:19.42 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Yes, I would like to suggest once again that we have a financial oversight committee for the fire consolidation to to look at the pros and cons and finances of the consolidation and to help us as we move forward. I see this as a help as we move forward. with the community because we will have residents who are looking at the plan who have reviewed it for the for the community and not only will we will have that as part of also as part of the campaign that we're organizing so there will be Both sides of the story if there are both sides or if there aren't there aren't but we will at least have a A COMMITTEE who's blessed the consolidation or not, So as we go forward, and talk to the people. We have that bit of information. um, I think it's a neutral thing. I think it says, okay, we will look at this, and if it comes out, yes, we support it, great. And if it comes out now, then we can Um, Bring the consultants back in and say, okay, what about this? |
| 03:23:57.58 | Herb Weiner | Okay, I'll make a note on that for future. Any other items? |
| 03:23:58.32 | Carolyn Ford | I'm not sure. |
| 03:24:02.57 | Linda Pfeifer | I have one. So Supervisor Judy Arnold is asking city council support in writing a letter of support for Jared Huffman's bill AB 1103. And I guess this falls under the housing element task force. So I can forward her email to everyone. I'm wondering if we could, you know, if it's an agenda item or if it's just a letter, we ask, you know, staff to draft in support of this bill. If you haven't seen it, I'll go ahead and forward it to everyone. And it's a very important bill. That sounds good. |
| 03:24:51.80 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 03:24:52.00 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:24:52.27 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 03:24:53.72 | Herb Weiner | No, it's no more housing commodity. |
| 03:24:55.65 | Mike Kelly | I think you should forward to ask so you have to. Okay, all right. You can give everybody. |
| 03:24:58.11 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, all right. |
| 03:24:59.36 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:25:00.76 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, all right, so I will forward it to Adam. I've already sent to city staff a request to include it at the housing task force. I've already done that. I'd like a copy of it. Okay, all right, sure. |
| 03:25:03.73 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. |
| 03:25:04.12 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 03:25:04.20 | Linda Pfeifer | Any other. |
| 03:25:04.66 | Mary Wagner | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:25:06.36 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:25:06.85 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:25:06.88 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:25:06.93 | Carolyn Ford | Right. |
| 03:25:06.95 | Linda Pfeifer | I usually |
| 03:25:07.44 | Mike Kelly | City Stone. Thank you. |
| 03:25:08.57 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, it was. |
| 03:25:15.12 | Herb Weiner | Okay, any other items? |
| 03:25:17.95 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:25:17.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:25:18.02 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:25:18.04 | Jonathan Leone | push. |
| 03:25:18.95 | Herb Weiner | Go ahead. |
| 03:25:19.27 | Jonathan Leone | Go ahead. |
| 03:25:20.49 | Herb Weiner | is just a good one. |
| 03:25:21.55 | Jonathan Leone | The committee has you as the main contact and me as the author. I think it's the real one. Debbie, will you switch over? |
| 03:25:26.31 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:25:26.34 | Herb Weiner | The old judgment. Yes. It's okay. All right, okay. Next, any committee reports? Do I have any committee reports? |
| 03:25:39.32 | Mike Kelly | Yep. |
| 03:25:39.99 | Michael Rex | Oh. |
| 03:25:39.99 | Herb Weiner | Oh, I'm sorry. How about you? Go ahead. I'm getting. |
| 03:25:40.16 | Mike Kelly | I'm sorry. |
| 03:25:41.04 | Michael Rex | Public, go ahead. Thank you. On your agenda items, I was wondering if you would give the RBMA an opportunity on one of your agendas to present what could happen with the Butler Building. |
| 03:25:55.67 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, let him know what could happen. Good things. |
| 03:26:00.63 | Carolyn Ford | Well, that the, I was, I wrote that down actually as a future item. And then I thought, well, that will probably be addressed during the conversations with the VA. I don't think so. No. |
| 03:26:01.34 | Linda Pfeifer | I was, I wrote that |
| 03:26:13.83 | Mike Kelly | I don't think so. No. It's listed in this report as a destructive belief. No significance. It's possible. Yeah. So it's going to have to be done separately. Yeah. |
| 03:26:19.85 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:26:20.59 | Michael Rex | So yeah. |
| 03:26:21.20 | Mike Kelly | We do. Thank you. |
| 03:26:22.32 | Michael Rex | I know the city and city staffs having discussions with the VA about the future of this property and I think it'd be helpful if you and the public knew about some opportunities that aren't being discussed. Yeah. |
| 03:26:34.58 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, and speaking of that, since Michael brought it up earlier, that's a good suggestion. Thank you. You know, the Community Development Department might want to finally review whatever Frank Anachelli's property and his proper permits, including the since he's. |
| 03:26:37.99 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 03:26:48.62 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 03:26:51.78 | Herb Weiner | Why, are pirates illegal in this town? |
| 03:26:54.43 | Jonathan Leone | since his last appearance for the Planning Commission where he had this item was still been open for I think probably about seven years so it might be now it's probably a good time to figure out what he's supposed to be doing here |
| 03:27:11.02 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 03:27:12.00 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:27:12.03 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:27:12.37 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:27:12.64 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 03:27:13.23 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:27:13.89 | Herb Weiner | Vicki? |
| 03:27:14.71 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:27:14.75 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:27:14.78 | Jonathan Leone | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:27:14.97 | Herb Weiner | Vicky, please. |
| 03:27:17.67 | Vicki Nichols | I haven't really read this report, but I did skim it. And so for Michael on page 19, they did conclude in here. The conclusion of Section 106 is some kind of recommendation. |
| 03:27:17.82 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:27:17.87 | Chuck Donald | Thank you. |
| 03:27:17.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:27:18.00 | Amy Belzer | Thank you. |
| 03:27:32.40 | Vicki Nichols | recommendation is that the machine shelf is eligible for national status. Well, we don't really get to see it because we kind of got it at the last minute. So there was a good conclusion in here. |
| 03:27:36.46 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:27:36.63 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:27:41.42 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. But they wouldn't admit it in public. |
| 03:27:43.69 | Vicki Nichols | They wouldn't admit it in public, yeah. But anyway, it's in here. It's published. The Butler building, though, does not have significance. So the Butler building could be moved or whatever. So whatever you want to do. |
| 03:27:47.30 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:27:47.40 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 03:27:47.43 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 03:27:48.58 | Matthew Stewart | Thank you. |
| 03:27:55.23 | Vicki Nichols | It's not historic significance. And it was moved back now. |
| 03:27:57.73 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:27:57.74 | Mike Kelly | And it was moved on. |
| 03:27:59.99 | Herb Weiner | The butlers were up in the hill. Okay, any other committee reports? Do we have any? Okay, any comment from the public on that? Any other reports of significance? |
| 03:28:17.08 | Linda Pfeifer | No, we don't vote on it. We vote to the agenda setting. Yeah. But it goes to the spirit. |
| 03:28:21.22 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Okay, at this point here, I move for adjournment. |
| 03:28:27.24 | Carolyn Ford | I second. |
| 03:28:28.52 | Herb Weiner | finger |
| 03:28:29.47 | Mike Kelly | Cheers. |
| 03:28:29.50 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:28:29.89 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
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