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| 00:00:25.28 | Herb Weiner | Okay, good evening and welcome to the Tuesday, July 26, 2011 meeting. At this time here, we are going into a roll call. |
| 00:00:39.97 | Unknown | Council member Pfeiffer? Here. Vice Mayor Kelly. |
| 00:00:43.82 | Herb Weiner | Sure. |
| 00:00:44.09 | Unknown | Thank you. and Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:00:45.63 | Herb Weiner | Here, present. Okay, at this time here, we're going to close session to talk about some of the items on SACs. Mrs. Sausalito. Since no one's here, don't have to ask for comment. We're back. |
| 00:01:22.77 | Herb Weiner | Okay, would everybody please be seated? Thank you. Wow. He actually listened to me. Wow. |
| 00:01:31.54 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 00:01:33.79 | Herb Weiner | Good evening and welcome to the July 26, 2011 meeting. May please have a welcome. Or a drum roll. |
| 00:01:46.46 | Unknown | Drum roll. Here. Councilmember Leone. |
| 00:01:47.83 | Unknown | Cheers. |
| 00:01:50.81 | Herb Weiner | Here? |
| 00:01:51.47 | Unknown | Councilmember Ford? Here. Vice Mayor Kelly? Here. Mayor Weiner? |
| 00:01:54.53 | Herb Weiner | Right. President. At this time here, I'd like to have a Pledge of Allegiance. Mike Moyle, lead us in the pledge. |
| 00:02:03.61 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:02:06.83 | Herb Weiner | Pledge allegiance to the flag. of the United States of America. the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:02:13.33 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:02:14.03 | Jim Gabbard | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:02:14.79 | Adam Politzer | one. |
| 00:02:15.03 | Jim Gabbard | TODAY. |
| 00:02:26.02 | Herb Weiner | This time here, we have went into closed session at 6 o'clock and discussed a matter that was Zax v. Sausalito. At this time, here is there any public comment on that closed session item? Okay, therefore, I'm bringing it up here. move to the approval of the agenda. |
| 00:02:48.19 | Linda Pfeifer | Cool move. Second. |
| 00:02:50.75 | Herb Weiner | All in favor. Aye. |
| 00:02:51.75 | Linda Pfeifer | Aye. |
| 00:02:54.16 | Herb Weiner | Okay. This time here it's a special... presentations and that's kind of always fun. Introduction and swearing in of the Parking Enforcement Officer. Curtis, you're on. |
| 00:03:14.72 | Unknown | Thank you. Good evening Mayor, City Council, members, City Manager. Beth could you stand up here? I have the pleasure of introducing Beth DuViego. She's going to be our newest Parking Enforcement Officer. She's part of a pilot project to test the feasibility of adding an additional Parking Enforcement Officer on during the heavier summer months. Beth comes from Massachusetts from the town of Williamstown I got that right Beth moved to Asasio in 1994 and fell in love with the town she actually started becoming a resident here in 1996 you may recognize her she was one of the co-owners of this and that boutique she's also been very active in our community being part of the Chamber of Commerce, the Salsa Women's Club, and the finest volunteer organization in the world, the VIPs. |
| 00:04:16.55 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:04:23.21 | Unknown | Beth has a degree in commercial art illustration and is often found walking around taking photographs. is very excited to become a member of the Associated Police Department family. When we got the background from the investigator, nothing but positive comments about her character, her work ethic, and I think she's going to be a great addition to the department. Debbie, can you come up and square in Beth? |
| 00:05:01.62 | Unknown | Step over and send it there. . Don't forget the title. |
| 00:05:14.14 | Linda Pfeifer | I can. |
| 00:05:18.23 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |
| 00:05:19.78 | Unknown | Bye. See if I can do all of this. If you'll raise your right hand and repeat after me. I... |
| 00:05:25.11 | Unknown | Hi, that's the Lego. |
| 00:05:26.83 | Unknown | Do solemnly affirm. |
| 00:05:28.42 | Unknown | Thank you. disolently affirmed. |
| 00:05:29.48 | Unknown | that I will support and defend |
| 00:05:31.49 | Unknown | that I will support and defend |
| 00:05:33.04 | Unknown | The Constitution of the United States |
| 00:05:33.06 | Unknown | Thank you. the Constitution of the United States. |
| 00:05:37.56 | Unknown | and the Constitution of the State of California. |
| 00:05:40.01 | Unknown | and the Constitution of the State of California against all enemies |
| 00:05:42.68 | Unknown | against all enemies. |
| 00:05:43.96 | Unknown | against all enemies. |
| 00:05:45.23 | Unknown | foreign and domestic. |
| 00:05:46.51 | Unknown | foreign and domestic. |
| 00:05:48.03 | Unknown | that I will bear true faith and allegiance |
| 00:05:50.88 | Unknown | that I will bear true faith and allegiance |
| 00:05:53.33 | Unknown | to the Constitution of the United States |
| 00:05:55.37 | Unknown | Okay. to the Constitution of the United States. And the Constitution of the |
| 00:05:57.56 | Unknown | and the Constitution of the State of California. |
| 00:05:59.03 | Unknown | of the state and the Constitution to the State of California. |
| 00:06:02.71 | Unknown | that I take this obligation freely. |
| 00:06:02.73 | Unknown | Thank you. I take this obligation freely without any |
| 00:06:06.39 | Unknown | without any mental reservation. |
| 00:06:08.12 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. without any mental reservation. |
| 00:06:10.10 | Unknown | or purpose of evasion. |
| 00:06:11.72 | Unknown | or purpose of evasion. |
| 00:06:13.17 | Unknown | and that I will well and faithfully |
| 00:06:15.55 | Unknown | and that I will well and faithfully |
| 00:06:17.10 | Unknown | discharge the duties |
| 00:06:17.14 | Unknown | Thank you. Discharge the duties. |
| 00:06:19.69 | Unknown | upon which I'm about to enter. |
| 00:06:21.81 | Unknown | about, say again? A pun. |
| 00:06:23.11 | Unknown | A pun. |
| 00:06:25.08 | Unknown | Almost. |
| 00:06:26.10 | Unknown | which I am about to enter. |
| 00:06:27.95 | Unknown | Which I am about to answer. Thank you. |
| 00:06:37.15 | Unknown | I believe your friend Stacy is going to pin on your badge. |
| 00:06:56.98 | Unknown | Thank you. maybe here at home? Thank you. |
| 00:07:12.57 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:07:17.38 | Unknown | Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to City Council Manero. |
| 00:07:34.54 | Unknown | Can the VIPs have a presentation to make to you right now? |
| 00:07:43.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:51.97 | Herb Weiner | I'd like to at this time here, maybe we'll take about a two, three-minute break so we can have a chance to congratulate Beth. So we're going to take about a two-minute break on this, okay? Okay. Okay. At this time here, we'd like to have the update on the America's Cup. Oh? Yes? No? Are we ready, Deb, on that? |
| 00:08:13.36 | Unknown | What was the question? |
| 00:08:13.96 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:08:18.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:18.50 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 00:08:22.45 | Herb Weiner | No? Okay. Oh. |
| 00:08:27.51 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:08:28.96 | Herb Weiner | That's the mic. In case you don't know what a mic is, you mess up. You're kind of talking to it like this, right? |
| 00:08:31.24 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:08:31.28 | Jim Gabbard | You're kind of talking to it like this, right? Good evening, everybody, city council and everybody. My name is Jim Gabbard. I was appointed by the mayor to chair the mayor's AC34, the America's Cup Task Force, and we've been asked to present a report to the city council on what we've done. And I'd like to just, a quick summary why this committee is so important, or the task force, is they're estimating that approximately 3 million people will be in town in San Francisco during the 2013. A hundred, no, it's $1.4 billion worth of tourist business that will be coming into the Bay Area. Whether we like it or not, if you haven't noticed, Sausalito is a tourist destination. We're going to be swapped with bicycles, people, and everything else. So with a lot of foresight, we've been appointed as a task force to address all of these issues. And just to show you how exciting I hope this works. How exciting... the America's Cup is. This is just a real quick video of how it works. I think. |
| 00:09:42.39 | Jim Gabbard | Yes, no. Do I push again? there goes Maybe. Exactly. |
| 00:09:55.82 | Jim Gabbard | Anyway, it's a very exciting. No, we can stop there because the video didn't work. There was a video of where they've been training for the races and everything, and it's ultra, ultra exciting. It's the first time in the history of the America's Cup that you don't need a big yacht to go out and see it out at the sea. It's going to be in the Bay Area, and we met with the committee. ESPN, each race is 45 minutes. They have five cameras, live cameras on each boat, and those things are moving 40, 45, 50 miles an hour, which make it very, very exciting. So this is just something that is, really, really important. And they want to make it a World Cup. And it's a chance for Sausalito to stand out because whether we like it or not, Everybody's going to come to Solicitor one time or another. So we're trying to turn this chaos into something that's organized. Our task force, which was given to us, was to develop citywide support for AC34 from residents, businesses, and maritime communities, working together to create an enjoyable, environmentally friendly experience for all. With the full participation of the community and partnership with all the visitors to our city, we will establish a lasting legacy that salutes our maritime heritage way beyond 2013. Case in point, in Auckland, they had it, it had been a while ago, and yet their tourist business has gone way up. Auckland is now a place to visit. I think this will help us in Sausalito tremendously. One of the things... There's an organization called IMG, which is a global sports and media business. They're huge, and they handle major sports events and major advertising, and they gave us some advice, and the advice is, |
| 00:11:48.39 | Jim Gabbard | It isn't. |
| 00:11:48.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:11:49.03 | Jim Gabbard | . |
| 00:11:49.34 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 00:11:49.42 | Charlie Francis | Bye. |
| 00:11:49.54 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 00:11:49.62 | Jim Gabbard | Oh, that's when I was pushing. Okay. We went too far. How do we back it up? There we are. Okay. What IMG, their advice was, if you build it or don't, they're going to come anyway. So we better control it. We have to define our objectives. I mean, we being the whole city of Sausalito, what is it we want to accomplish? We have to have a clear vision. We have to stick to it and make sure it works. We have to plan. plan and plan, and bring in experts. Cost of mistakes far and away exceed the cost of an expert. And, We have a chance here to make a first impression, which is very important. First impressions last six weeks or more. Mistakes last a long time. Local ambassadors from Sausalito are very important from the business community, and it's really critical. that we have all of Sausalito, welcoming these people, being nice to these people, and you know just were local ambassadors representing salsa leader every one of us who lives in salsa leader we wanna brand it we wanna make it memorable We want to collaborate, local businesses, transportation, local destinations, other municipalities. We have to work together. The most important thing about the AC34 part in Sausalito, volunteers. As you well know, the art festival has three employees paid, 1,500 volunteers. We need volunteers to make this work. Very, very important. And that's one of the things we have to push for. Now, what we have done is create |
| 00:13:31.25 | Jim Gabbard | Um... you You want to do this, Mary? Thank you. |
| 00:13:39.06 | Jim Gabbard | You'll never make it on TV. |
| 00:13:39.87 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:13:39.89 | Herb Weiner | You'll never make it on. |
| 00:13:41.47 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:13:42.79 | Jim Gabbard | Just went too far. We have to back up one. Uh, back up. Back up. It went... |
| 00:13:58.45 | Jim Gabbard | What I wanted to do was introduce what we did with this is we created basically three committees. We have the Maritime Committee, which is headed by Chris Gallagher from the Army Corps of Engineers and the Bay Visitors Center. center. We have the business community which is headed by Jeff Shurash from Um, Spinnaker, and then the, which I feel a very important committee is the Residence Committee. How do we deal with the residents? How do we keep them from getting inconvenience? How do we make it work? And we have co-chairs in that one, which are Ann Arnot and Bill Werner. And each one of them are going to give a presentation. And right now, I would like to introduce Chris Gallagher, who is chair of the Maritime Committee. |
| 00:14:45.63 | Chris Gallagher | seen this. |
| 00:14:49.48 | Chris Gallagher | So who's doing this, Mary, Debbie? Okay, so can we get to one that says the teens? I don't know. There we go. Okay. So I think it's important, as all the committee chairs will tell you, that you can see who's representative on these various teams. So the maritime committee is comprised of not only myself, I guess they figured I survived WAM, I could chair the maritime committee. So we have John Connolly from Modern Sailing, Paul Kaplan from KKMI, Joe Lemon from Sausalito Shipyard and Marina, Michael Linder from Bayside Boatworks, Jim Madden from Sausalito Yacht Harbor, Matthew Nathans from the Sausalito Yacht Club, Mike Rainey from Skumacher Marina who's here in the audience, and Ken Peterson from Clipper Yacht Harbor. So that's pretty representative of the entire waterfront and these are the recommendations that we're going to bring up next have come from a collective effort from all of these folks and all of their knowledge of dealing with the waterfront. So the next one is committee objectives. We've been meeting a lot and as Jim mentioned, there was a retreat for overall for the committee. And our particular committee identified lots of issues, but these were the three major issues that we came up with. There's going to be a lot of boats in San Francisco Bay, huge boats, those super yachts, which are anything from 80 feet or bigger. It's an opportunity for us to develop a mooring field for both the super yachts that we'll be visiting, and it's our welcome mat to the city of Sausalito. but also on a more permanent basis to have better organization out there in the marina. If we're lucky enough that we win the America's Cup, then it comes back again. So this is something that would be an investment into the future. Work on developing an RFP for the mooring field, working with the Richardson Bay Regional Authority. and the Bay Conservation Development Commission. This is something which has been on the books for a long time with RBRA. It comes up and it goes away, it comes up and goes away. And this is a time to kind of strike at this. There's been a lot of work that's already been developed that we could take advantage of. And the Bay Conservation and Development Commission, this is also an opportunity to strike with them. I was at a meeting at the end of April at the Bay Planning Coalition where all the regulatory agencies have dedicated staff within their agencies just to deal with America's Cup. They understand, they realize that the normal regulatory process would be too cumbersome and too long to get these things through. So. even at the Corps of Engineers, we have people dedicated just to deal with America's Cup issues and permitting process. The Bay Conservation and Development Commission, Will Travis, got up at that meeting and said that they, as a board, without even being asked, unanimously endorsed anything to help support it. Now, I'm not saying they got into specifics, but they realized that this is a big coup for the Bay Area and they want to be a help and not a hindrance. So I'm just saying this is an opportunity for us to look at that. And there's been a lot of work already done on that. And then dredging... at least to the Corps of Engineers dock and hopefully beyond to the fuel dock at Clipper, maybe even into Strawberry. There's been a lot of talk at in our committee that, again, this would be an investment into the future of Sausalito. The next fuel dock, closest to us is in San Rafael. So if you can't get to that fuel dock at Clipper, you've got to go up to San Rafael. This is also an opportunity to look at it from a homeland security in a disaster preparedness situation because there's monies out there for these kinds of things. And if we kind of approach it from that aspect, that might be an opportunity for us. But the current channel goes from about anywhere from about, you know, anywhere from 8 to 12 feet, and these super yachts to get up the channel draft at least 20 to 30 feet. They're not going to be able to get very far if the channel's not dredged. And as powerful as I am with the Corps of Engineers, I can't do that. Next slide. Perish the thought. We did our dredge in town, and I was hoping they would just come up the channel and nobody would notice. But anyway, so our next step is we've determined to examine depths in some current locations to identify where some superyachts could moor without dredging. And this is basically looking at areas down by horizons, between horizons and maybe the sewage treatment plant. But that, again, has to be organized. I mean, you've seen some of these super yachts come in and multiply that by 200 or something. So there needs to be some organization to this to make sure that we're not just dropping anchor and sitting there. Again, working with RBRA to develop an RFP for a concessionaire to develop and manage a mooring field, This actually, again, goes a long way to helping resolve a lot of the issues that are out there, both from an environmental standpoint and a law enforcement standpoint. So, you know, we don't necessarily have to, you know, frame it in that way, but it is also, you know, if we're doing these things for the America's Cup, it can help in other situations for the city as well. We need to start making some inquiries to congressional reps, other cities about the possibility of funding dredging in the channel. This may take a trip by the mayor to go back to Washington and start getting some support. Um, |
| 00:21:21.21 | Herb Weiner | There goes the... Oh, he's going to Japan. |
| 00:21:21.97 | Chris Gallagher | Well, he's going to Japan, so maybe he could go by D.C. on the way back. But it takes this face-to-face stuff. I know I'm not telling you all anything, but we really got, you know, we got to get on the ball with this. And that's why I said looking at it from a homeland security standpoint might be an advantage. And sort of framing it in that way, there might be funding and things out there that we could get. And, again, yeah. fine tuning the plan and development budget revenue sources for funding other things. But these were the top issues was the RFP, the mooring field, and the dredging that the Maritime Committee came up with. And I think I hand it over. |
| 00:22:00.50 | Jim Gabbard | I think I hand it over. Okay. |
| 00:22:03.03 | Chris Gallagher | Some of these are mine. Hold on, hold on, hold on. |
| 00:22:03.13 | Jim Gabbard | Some of these are. Yeah. Thank you, Chris. We'll take questions at the end. I just want to mention something that was a benefit of we were at the reception at Esmeralda Friday night, and I was talking to Admiral Joe Costillo, who controls from Hawaii down to Ecuador on the Coast Guard, and he says, I want to introduce you to this guy. And the guy turns around and says, hi, they brought me out for the America's Cup. I'm in charge of all the waterways. And so that's a good thing to have because, you know, we have worked the thing out with the super yachts that if they do anchor out in front of South Salido, they've got to be out in the daytime so we have unobstructed views. And we're trying to figure out how we can enforce that. He says, I'll fix it. I'd like to introduce now Jeff Shirash, who is the chairman of our business community. He's been working very hard with the South Salido business community and our relationship with the AC34. Jeff? |
| 00:22:08.19 | Jeff Shurash | Thank you. |
| 00:22:08.24 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:22:08.33 | Chris Gallagher | DMX. |
| 00:22:08.65 | Linda Pfeifer | I just want to. |
| 00:22:52.19 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Ryan and Tass there, thank you Debbie. We have a great committee, definitely a lot of sectors of the business community represented here. Of course, we brought back, first off, Ray Christie of A.Cities Refuge, one of the other amigos here, one of the third ones sitting across from you over there. But Bob Freeman of Horizons, Marina O'Neill of SFA Adventures, Larry Medell of Poggio, Kat Stiroff, CPA here in town, Mike Stone of Molly Stones, and, of course, Yoshitome of Sushiron. So obviously restaurants, retail, CPA, and of course sanitation. So we definitely have a lot of the sectors represented here. Definitely a great team we can utilize for America's Cup here in town. What we want to do in the business community here is really capture the excitement of the race. Anyone you mention AC34 to or Sales Sausalito, if the company represents Sausalito, they get excited about the race. I'm sure many of you saw the YouTube video about the Oracle boat flipping over or saw it in the Chronicle. Unbelievable footage, just a little snippet there. I'm sure they probably flipped the boat on purpose, possibly. |
| 00:23:08.18 | Bill Werner | Maybe over there. |
| 00:23:54.31 | Unknown | No. |
| 00:23:55.13 | Unknown | or definitely helped either for that or for their own PR purposes. But definitely some great excitement there for 2012 when the World Series comes, and also 2013 when we do have the Louis Vuitton Cup and the Challenger Series as well. So a lot of racing ahead of us, a lot of excitement, definitely a lot of things we look forward to here in the business community. We really want to make sure we also engage the residents of local organizations in our efforts. The business community can't do it without the locals and vice versa. So we really want to make sure the Rotary Women's Club, Lions Club, Historical Society, all our different organizations here in town understand what the event is all about, but also get involved. With the Amtrentura, California, we had quite a few volunteers, about 150 of us, that really organized that event. We needed quite a few more. And all the different partners with the Rotary and Lions Club really to get on target with us as well. Definitely want to promote our businesses. We have some world-class businesses here in town. And with the America's Cup, it really brings another level of a class to the area. A lot of people can be visiting the area wanting to shop and dine and being able to utilize our businesses and promoting them. We can, of course, generate a lot more sales tax dollars, among other things, and more sales tax for years to come, as people who might not come to the area just for America's Cup might see it on TV, but will definitely come years down the road when they have money to travel again. Definitely we have a great setting for events here, whether it be in town at our events we're putting on for America's Cup or events that are going on in local businesses. So what an opportunity really for those businesses to sell space or sell tables for that matter. We're going to have a few tables of Spinnaker available that night or multiple nights. But great. So you want to make sure we create a positive experience. As Jim mentioned, definitely a positive experience is something we want to make sure happens for our visitors, make sure that they actually can get into town, make sure that they can actually see the race if there is anything to see from the waterfront. The worst thing to happen is to be stuck in traffic for two and three hours because you can't get to Sausalito or get across the bridge. So we want to make sure we work with all of our partners to make sure that people can get into Sausalito, have a great time here, can find parking, can get to their place of business and or hotel or restaurant or retail shop that they're trying to get to. And also, of course, make sure we have information about what's going on and really capture what America's Cup is all about. We want to make sure our locals understand what's going on, but also our visitors as well. Because there's some great opportunities, maybe not just about America's Cup, but maybe something going on at the Bay Model. Maybe something going on at Schoonmaker. Other areas might not be in the center of town, but the peripheral areas as well. So once again, just looking at the education series, you know, obviously we're a big fan of doing things with kids for the entry to California. So we're kind of looking to do the same thing for maybe doing sailing for dummies. For those that are not into sailing, such as myself, I'm not sure too much about what the boat entails, similar to what bike riding was about eight, nine years ago. Maybe boat races at the Bay Model for little kids. Chris and I have talked about doing maybe a setup of what the America's Cup looks like in the Bay Model and doing some sort of either races or talk about what they're going to be doing on the waterfront. Also, what's this sailing all about? You know, what America's Cup, the boats that are racing now, the technology on the boats is pretty incredible. And if we could do some education series around that, it would really capture a lot of different markets within Sausalito. Once again, as I mentioned earlier, volunteers is what it's all about. We definitely need to have the whole community involved in this to make this happen. And I think we can capture that if we start that early and start that now. Also creating a sales Sausalito program, a physical program, and a website that would really tell people what Sausalito is all about. Once again, how to get here, where to stay, where to shop, where to dine, and what activities are going on during the America's Cup AC34. A lot of people might not be able to see the boat races from Sausalito directly, but people are going to be coming to Sausalito before and after the races, and we know that. I go to the U.S. Open pretty much every year, and we might know, U.S. Open being the golf version of U.S. Open, not the tennis, but during that time we might only go once or twice to the golf course. The rest of the time we're shopping, we're eating, we're going out, doing different things. People are doing the same type of thing here for the America's Cup. We definitely just have to give them an idea of what there is to do and what to expect from what they get here as far as either you're taking a bus in or you're taking the ferry. Also just engage local restaurants, retailers, make sure everyone's on board of what's going on, what to expect. And also just once again utilizing our events to work with the restaurants and community to just strengthen what we're doing with America's Cup and also just promoting Sausalito. Our next step here, once again, just getting the community involved and, of course, working on a budget as far as what revenues needed to support the infrastructure moving forward. |
| 00:29:21.28 | Jim Gabbard | Again, we'll do questions afterwards. Thank you very much, Jeff. Now I'd introduce Bill Werner, who is a co-chair of the Residence Committee, the work they've done to make sure our residents don't get inconvenienced and can make it a positive event with the America's Cup and AC 34. |
| 00:29:44.44 | Bill Werner | I think what we all know is that we will be inconvenienced no matter what we do. Um, Let me tell you about the Residence Committee to begin with. The first thing we did at our first meeting was to change our name. Um, The name was originally the community committee and we decided that community really included the business community and the maritime community. and the resident committee so we became the resident committee. The second thing we did was to decide that we really needed a mission statement of our own. Um, And what you see on the Screen is what was hammered out. The second meeting. and that is to safeguard South Dakota's environment. property and quality of life while accommodating interested residents and hosting visitors as spectators of the America's Cup races in a safe and orderly venue. or in safe and orderly venues. Um, Let's go to the second. |
| 00:30:46.66 | Bill Werner | The, um... The committee was made up of Ann Arnott and myself as co-chairs, Phil Fleischman, Doreen Gennard, Susan Rowe, Stanley Stern, and Jock Ullman. |
| 00:30:50.44 | Unknown | The committee was made up |
| 00:30:59.44 | Bill Werner | which was a wonderful cross-section of the town. They live everywhere from Old Town through New Town to the North End and from the Hill to Galilee. So we covered the Territory. We had our first meeting was on March 21st. At that time we decided that we were going to meet every second Tuesday. from 5.30 to 7. And we never went past seven. We had eight meetings until June 28th. And during that time, We, Since you looked at the following things in particular, thanks. When Jonathan gets the water pressure on that fountain over there, a little bit better, we can drink out of it. |
| 00:31:50.38 | Bill Werner | Get to work, Goldman. |
| 00:31:57.57 | Bill Werner | We wanted to monitor the progress of the San Francisco AC34 EIR review. And also their action plans of which they have many. We've been doing that. We wanted to try to identify concerns that were unique to the residents And we assembled them in an EIR format primarily for clarity and so we wouldn't lose track of it. You won't be surprised that the bulk of those concerns ended up in those EIR areas known as biological resources, cultural and historical resources, land use and planning issues, public service issues, Recreation. Big one, transportation and traffic. And finally, significant Irreversible changes. Um, We then, focused on trying to identify opportunities for resident participation in the AC34 activities, both as volunteers, but also focusing on what we could do for the residents that would make, the America's Cup. real for them. Um... And finally, We were... We saw ourselves as needing to consider the impact of the Business and Maritime Committee's action plans on us. next one. Out of that we produced several reports. We did have a meeting with police chief Tejeda and we summarized safety and security issues. Jacques Ullman put together a a schematic plan for circulation at the ferry landing and protection of Vino del Mar, Jereen Gernard, put together a report on water shuttles and essentially on water transportation as it might be. be able to help alleviate some of the traffic on the streets, land side traffic. Next one. Oh, okay. Thank you. |
| 00:34:00.34 | Linda Pfeifer | Thanks. |
| 00:34:01.54 | Bill Werner | Wilder. Ann Arnaught did a report on parking and traffic. Stanley Stern whose name dropped off, and myself produced a report on resident restricted gatherings. We were talking about you know, where and how can you focus if not the best spot in town, but pretty damn close. to be just for the residents rather than for everybody else in the world. And finally, I put a report together on bicycle and pedestrian activities. And I've got copies of those reports for you if you'd like. Our next steps are to continue to assess the potential impacts of AC34 events and spectators. I have just started reading all 1400 pages of the San Francisco EIR which is a lot of Um, We're also going to continue to develop proposals for the management, the safety, and control of vehicles, bicycles, and pedestrians. Land and waterside public transport access circulation and parking. I'm not sure. We will continue to consider resident activities, events, and participation, and hopefully firm those up. We'll continue to assess the effects of business and maritime committee proposals Any brilliant future city initiatives? and AC 34 plans and their schedules. That's it. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. |
| 00:35:39.88 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:35:40.61 | Bill Werner | Thank you. |
| 00:35:40.62 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you, Bill. I promised the mayor that this would take 15 minutes. |
| 00:35:40.76 | Bill Werner | Thank you Bill. |
| 00:35:41.38 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 00:35:41.42 | Bill Werner | We'll be right back. |
| 00:35:44.12 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:35:44.69 | Jim Gabbard | Ugh. |
| 00:35:45.03 | Herb Weiner | Sorry about that. |
| 00:35:46.14 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 00:35:46.16 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 00:35:46.50 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 00:35:46.51 | Herb Weiner | Um. |
| 00:35:46.90 | Jim Gabbard | Bye. |
| 00:35:46.92 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 00:35:47.19 | Jim Gabbard | Just a real quick question. |
| 00:35:47.22 | Herb Weiner | Just a real quick question. I told him, Jim Gabbitt, |
| 00:35:50.02 | Herb Weiner | going to be up here so they knew the |
| 00:35:51.74 | Jim Gabbard | Okay. Some of the questions, how are we going to pay for this because we're going to need law enforcement. There's a lot of expenditures coming up and we feel very strong that we can get sponsors, that we can have local nonprofits with organizations and they can gain fees. There's a lot of... |
| 00:35:53.03 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:36:08.38 | Jim Gabbard | plans we have without getting specific. Um, sponsorships, regional national corporations, dining, shopping programs and so forth that we could do that will raise money. And I have an idea which I don't want to divulge yet, but it could get us about a million, million and a half from one sponsor that would cover everything, the jumbotrons and everything else. And we're working on that right now. And that part still is more to come on it. So with that, I'd like to summarize. Remember, it's only 24 months away. And you can see this task course has done one heck of a lot of work. But we have a lot more ahead of us. And at that, I'd like to thank anybody. Have any questions? |
| 00:36:50.59 | Mike Kelly | No, not in that. Jim, any recent word on the course location? |
| 00:36:55.08 | Jim Gabbard | You know, that depends. They're doing something kind of interesting. The marks are movable. And it depends where the winds are. And more than likely, my suspicion is it's going to run across, straight across the San Francisco waterfront, if you will. But, and Herbie brought this up, in the World, in the Super Bowl games, in the World Series, people would pay $200, $300 to get inside a fence to see it on a jumbotron. And if we could get the money for it, we could have jumbotrons along the place. Then you have people looking, spectators, and you see a mask go, whoop, like that. Then you're looking at it on the jumbotron and you feel like you're participating. But of course, they tell us it's going to be flexible. It depends which way the winds go. Carolyn, you had something? |
| 00:37:39.27 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, I'm really glad to see that you're getting so organized and the business community, I sense the excitement when Jeff was up here talking and you as well. Because my concern is from the resident standpoint, we want to make sure that the long term uh The long-term effects are something that the residents can live with. So I'm happy to see that you have a residence committee to do just that. And the other thing I'd like to say is I do have some concern about the mooring fields. Are any other cities stepping up to the plate in terms of birthing for these mega yachts. Why is Sausalito being considered as the mega yacht capital? Other than you have yours. No, they're taking period. |
| 00:38:33.76 | Jim Gabbard | No. No, they're taking Pier 27 and 29 and they're making the village there. And they're going to accommodate yachts from 300 feet down to 150. And our preliminary meetings with the super yacht committee, what would happen in Saucyote they would not exceed 200 feet. They're out on that part by horizons down to say Bahala. There will not be a mooring field. I mean you can't have a... |
| 00:38:58.26 | Carolyn Ford | That's what I was saying. |
| 00:38:58.72 | Jim Gabbard | Yeah, for a vessel that large. So what they're doing is they're working out a map, and Paul Kaplan from KKMI has been working with the committee on that. And what they're going to do, because they all have GPS and coordinates and everything, they'll come out with X marks the spot. That's where you drop your anchor. And the one thing that's important is you got to be out of there tomorrow. |
| 00:39:12.74 | Linda Pfeifer | And the way that we're going to do it, |
| 00:39:15.97 | Jim Gabbard | in the morning. Right. And I think we've got that problem solved. |
| 00:39:16.25 | Linda Pfeifer | Good morning. Yeah. |
| 00:39:19.54 | Jim Gabbard | And down here there will be a lot of smaller boats and everything else, so we do need mooring fields. And we're trying to find some way to put in mooring fields for AC34 down Richardson Bay. And, again, Paul's working with the RBRA on that, on how that could happen. All of this plan is still preliminary because we don't, depends whether we could, Chris can get money to dredge down to the Corps of Engineers and all. |
| 00:39:19.95 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:39:43.14 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 00:39:43.47 | Jim Gabbard | But we want to make sure that one thing, and that's why I was so glad to meet that Coast Guard guy, is that we don't have Mr. Big come out there with his 300-foot yacht blocking Sausalito, keeping it there all day and telling us to go to hell. And that's not going to happen. |
| 00:39:55.22 | Carolyn Ford | And that's not going to happen. |
| 00:39:56.40 | Jim Gabbard | Yeah. |
| 00:39:57.72 | Carolyn Ford | That's great. So our other cities, Tiburon, some of the other cities stepped up to the plate to provide some sort of berthage for the extra boats that are going to be coming to town? |
| 00:40:03.59 | Jim Gabbard | They... |
| 00:40:08.78 | Jim Gabbard | It would be smaller boats, in other words up to 40, 50. Smaller boats, yes, that's what I meant. Now, the big guys, they're building a huge super yacht marina over in 27, 29. They're talking about Treasure Island. And then there's, I forget which pier it is, but it's on the other side of the ferry building down. They've started to build a facility there for super yachts. |
| 00:40:10.61 | Carolyn Ford | Smaller votes, yes. That's what I meant. |
| 00:40:27.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. So... |
| 00:40:28.63 | Jim Gabbard | So, |
| 00:40:28.97 | Herb Weiner | That's it. And a little clarity on that. Any of the mooring fields that they've been talking about basically are not permanent. They're temporary mooring fields. Not in the front, but even down Richardson Bay. They're temporary. |
| 00:40:29.22 | Jim Gabbard | YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO |
| 00:40:29.39 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:40:29.44 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 00:40:29.54 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:40:29.64 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 00:40:29.73 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 00:40:29.95 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 00:40:29.96 | Linda Pfeifer | you And a little flaring. |
| 00:40:43.65 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:40:44.66 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:40:44.71 | Linda Pfeifer | . |
| 00:40:44.88 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:40:44.97 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 00:40:45.12 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 00:40:45.59 | Jim Gabbard | One thing we're probably thinking of doing at the yacht club, because as the super yachts come here at nighttime, even though Mr. Big may go over to St. Francis at Golden Gate Yacht Club, all of these boats have crews 10, 12, 13, 14, 15. They're going to come to town. |
| 00:40:57.28 | Mary Wagner | 15. |
| 00:40:57.96 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:40:58.21 | Mary Wagner | They're going to go. Mm-hmm. |
| 00:40:59.85 | Jim Gabbard | And they'll probably go to Barbacci or someplace, but they're gonna be in town at restaurants and enjoying Sausalito. And so we're at the Yacht Club, we're trying to figure out how we can have dinghy docks and do it real easy and all of that's in the planning stage. |
| 00:41:12.17 | Linda Pfeifer | All of us. and planning's Good. |
| 00:41:15.10 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. Okay? Thank you. I want to thank, I'm sorry about the time. Ms. Ed. |
| 00:41:15.32 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. Okay? Mr. Mayor, if I may, too? |
| 00:41:20.13 | Jim Gabbard | I'm sorry. Yes, I'm sorry. |
| 00:41:20.66 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes, I'm sorry, Jim. Yeah, I just wanted to follow up with you're doing a great job, and everyone's involved, and it's great. I really like the sales Sausalito concept as well. And I did want to echo the concern or the question regarding the mooring fields, and I was happy to hear Mayor Weiner stress that these would be temporary as opposed to permanent because the slide initially looked like it said permanent, And I think that a number of residents would be, you know, concerned with respect to that. And so I think it's good to focus on, you know, the America's Cup and making this a success. But at the same time, I think it's good to focus on, you know, |
| 00:41:22.06 | Linda Pfeifer | And. |
| 00:41:50.57 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes, sir. |
| 00:41:50.96 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:42:03.26 | Linda Pfeifer | respecting the fragile ecosystem that surrounds us and the ramifications of what a permanent mooring field would potentially bring. So that's just a comment. Thank you. |
| 00:42:11.18 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:42:11.25 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:42:16.70 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. Thank you, Tim. Okay. |
| 00:42:17.36 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. Thank you very much, everybody. Sorry it took so long, but thank you. Thank you, Jim. Oh. One last thing I forgot to mention, that John Williams, who put together a lot of the slideshow and everything, John is the facilitator appointed by the mayor for the mayor's task force. Thank you. Thank you, Jim. |
| 00:42:24.43 | Herb Weiner | And I forgot to mention. |
| 00:42:25.57 | Unknown | Thank you. . |
| 00:42:35.82 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:42:35.83 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:42:36.04 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:42:36.05 | Linda Pfeifer | Hmm. |
| 00:42:36.27 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Also, at this time here, I'd like to be able to say that this task for this group will continue. And at this time here also, I'd like to be able to meet with the city manager and discuss now bringing in the police and the other departments that we have to coordinate what we can and what we cannot do. So I'd like to continue that. But once again, thank you very much. I don't think people realize how much time you've really put into this, but I know I've seen this, and we can say that we're very, very pleased with what you've done. So thank you. |
| 00:43:01.40 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:43:22.49 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Oh, public comment? |
| 00:43:25.09 | Linda Pfeifer | Amen. This is a... |
| 00:43:27.61 | Herb Weiner | No. None? No, this is just... Oh, there's a public comment on this item. Thank you. |
| 00:43:37.07 | Paul Kaplan | I'm sorry. |
| 00:43:37.21 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:43:39.72 | Paul Kaplan | Hi, I'm Paul Kaplan and I'm a member of the Maritime Committee and I just wanted to share some information with you. specifically having to do with the mooring field since that seems to be a real concern. I've sort of immersed myself in trying to educate myself about the mooring field and have attended several of the RBRA meetings and in fact recently have gone and looked at all the boats there and actually was really kind of surprised to see so many boats that have been neglected. But I'm just going to share some facts with you. At the last RBARA meeting, which was Thursday night, the harbormaster Bill Price reported that there are approximately 115 vessels moored there. of which historically about 10% come off their moorings and they have to go onto the beach and then become the responsibility of RBRA to clean up. That number has gone up. Over the past 60 days, they have needed to dispose of 11 boats, of which six for fiberglass. So these aren't all wooden boats that have been neglected. RBRA operates with one full-time employee. They have a budget of approximately $350,000, of which they generated in the past 60 days $660. So obviously this costs the taxpayers a considerable amount of money. But I think that there's a cost that goes on that we're completely ignoring, and that is the chief of police talks about the enforcement issues that they have to deal with. We know that the Coast Guard has to deal with this. But more important than that is this is the welcome mat. This is the first thing that boaters do see when they come to Sausalito and it basically is a junkyard and it is not welcoming to visiting yachtsmen. I've heard from fellow members of the maritime committee who are in the business of renting berths and they've had numerous comments from super yacht owners saying that they do not feel comfortable bringing their vessels into Sausalito because of this condition. So I thought I would just kind of share with you some of the perspective that exists today, particularly as a result of the economy becoming poor. Bill Price acknowledges that he's able to dispose of the boats for about a third of the cost of other vendors. So he also basically is the welcome wagon for disposing of boats. In fact, he's often left with a very difficult decision of trying to decide what to do with a boat that hasn't even arrived in Richardson Bay, but under the threat of it arriving and then someday needing to recover it off the beach, he says, look, before you put it in an anchorage, bring it to me and I'll dispose of the boat. So I just wanted to share those two facts with you. Just a moment. someday needing to recover it off the beach. He says, look, before you put it in an anchorage, bring it to me and I'll dispose of the boat. So I just wanted to share those two facts with you. Just then a little bit about KKMI. We have had a lot of involvement with America's Cup. My business partner ran two America's Cup programs. The whole America's Cup lingo is not new lingo to us. In 2003, our facility over in Point Richmond hosted Oracle and Alinghi. So we have a really good flavor of what this event can bring. I cannot emphasize enough the importance of the work that these three different groups have done. Without this plan, we are not going to have something that is going to benefit this town. And we really, really need a solid plan. And that welcome mat at the mooring field is the key part of that plan. And so what I ask is that you give RBRA your full support as they try to move forward with their plans. I think |
| 00:47:10.34 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:47:10.46 | Paul Kaplan | Thank you. |
| 00:47:10.47 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:47:10.96 | Paul Kaplan | Thank you. |
| 00:47:13.55 | Mike Kelly | Any more public comments? Any other? |
| 00:47:14.61 | Paul Kaplan | Thank you. |
| 00:47:14.63 | Herb Weiner | Any other comments from the public? |
| 00:47:17.38 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, I'll just add Mr. Kemplin is liberally stating quotes from other folks at the RBRA meeting and |
| 00:47:18.00 | Linda Pfeifer | I understand. |
| 00:47:25.98 | Mike Kelly | And I think the goal of the RBRA is not to drive the anchor out community out of Sausalito, rather than not be so concerned about what welcoming mat we make to people who own super yachts. It's frankly none of my concern. It doesn't reflect the values of Sausalito, in my mind. So the diversity of Sausalito is not a super yacht. So how we present ourselves for the America's Cup is a different question altogether. But to scrape the water of people living on boats is not what I think this town represents. |
| 00:48:01.15 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:48:01.17 | Mike Kelly | Okay. |
| 00:48:01.55 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, if I may. |
| 00:48:02.67 | Mike Kelly | Hey. |
| 00:48:03.02 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Go ahead. |
| 00:48:03.53 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. I agree that scraping the water of boats is not what we represent, but I also think that scraping the environment with respect to what happens with respect to some of these neglected boats is also not what Sausalito represents. I want to thank Mr. Kaplan for sharing his thoughts on that. My concern with the mooring field has more to do with I don't see that as a solution for neglected boats. I see enforcement as a solution for neglected boats and helping those folks find a home, find a permanent slipwork. or what have you. I'm just concerned about the environment over there. And I also believe that mooring fields without enforcement were going to have mooring fields and neglected boats. So that's my concern. But anyway, I just wanted to share that with you. |
| 00:48:55.44 | Herb Weiner | Well, and I'll just take a few seconds. Did you want to make a comment? Go ahead. |
| 00:49:00.58 | Carolyn Ford | Go ahead. It's a point of order. I think we're not discussing mooring fields here tonight. We need to move on to our agenda. No. |
| 00:49:02.61 | Herb Weiner | Okay, go ahead. No. We need to move on to our agenda. No. Yeah. And I agree. We'll just let it be like that. Okay. All right, next item that we have on is... |
| 00:49:18.67 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:49:18.72 | Herb Weiner | Comments? I'm sorry. |
| 00:49:18.74 | Linda Pfeifer | comments. Thank you. |
| 00:49:20.72 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:49:20.73 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:49:20.77 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:49:21.00 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:49:21.02 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, public communication, and we have a list of the names. All right, I'm going to let Kayla go and then Mike. Can I see you raise your hand? So, okay. So we'll go in that order. Kayla, Mike, and Vicki, anybody else? And this is to make comments on other things that are not on our agenda. Thank you. |
| 00:49:47.06 | Kayla Kahn | Hi, I'm Kayla Kahn and I live on Rodeo. As you know, Sausalito is known all over the world as an artist community. And with all these hundreds of thousands of people coming into town, we have a wonderful opportunity for our artists. And we don't have an art commission. And I urge everybody, please, let's have an art commission. Because we need to support our artists. And with all these people coming in, the restaurants, the stores, we could really do a wonderful thing with our art. So please, please, let's have an art commission. |
| 00:50:19.00 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you, Kayla. Mike. |
| 00:50:27.73 | Mike Moyle | Hi, I'm Mike Moyle. I was here a couple of months ago. We thought a large boat from Chile was coming. It came. It was late. But in addition, the mayor came from Vina del Mar And I think it's just great as to the the way that Sausalito really did itself proud with this delegation. There was a tremendous amount of energy in the local community. Many people in this room, many organizations in Sausalito really stepped up. And in a relatively short period of time, we were able to organize a program that was I think very impressive for our visitors. We learned that it wasn't 270,000. They're up to 330,000 now. So they're quite a bit larger city. It was a group that I think was probably, of course, the mayor and one of their elected representatives and people from the university. But it was just, I thought, a very, very good program. There's a lot of energy, I thought, here in Sausalito, a lot of interest in pursuing that. And so it just seemed to be kind of the right thing for us to do. I think now we've really reestablished the contact with them. And now the question is, where do we go from here? We have lots of ideas about that, but I think we've managed to connect so far a number of organizations, and we'll be trying our best to do that and also form some sort of ongoing organization to help support this. So I just wanted to thank everybody. I apologize because the schedule ended up being somewhat flexible. People really were patient and a lot of good humor and frankly, I had a lot of fun. Thank you very much. |
| 00:52:15.91 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. No. |
| 00:52:19.00 | Mike Moyle | Thank you. |
| 00:52:19.05 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 00:52:19.12 | Mike Moyle | Mike, can I have you some up here? |
| 00:52:19.36 | Herb Weiner | Bye. Thank you. I'd like to present you with a certificate of appreciation from the city, and I think all of us would like to shake your hand, and thank you very much. Thank you. |
| 00:52:45.93 | Mike Kelly | Michael is not giving himself credit. He did a tremendous amount of work and has resurrected this program almost single-handedly. And thank you so much for doing that on behalf of everybody. |
| 00:52:49.46 | Linda Pfeifer | That's a great job. |
| 00:52:50.42 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:52:57.09 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, and kind of we labeled it old friendship, new beginning. So thank you very much, Michael. Vicky. Thank you. |
| 00:53:08.97 | Vicki Nichols | Good evening, Mayor Weiner and Councilmembers. I'd like to ask that the meeting be adjourned tonight in memory of a longtime Sausalito resident, Valerie Humphreys, Valerie was buried and her memorial was yesterday, which was also, would have been her 94th birthday. So Valerie lived up on Sassolito Boulevard for a long time, and I know that Mike and I think Mike particularly met her, and we met her during the Public Safety Steering Committee, and I thought back that she was 84 or 85 when she was working with us at that time. But I learned a lot of interesting things yesterday at her memorial at the Spinnaker, and that was that at... She was born in 1917 and she hitchhiked from Philadelphia to Hollywood to be a movie star. She had some time in Hollywood and she eventually met Orson Welles but never made it big. but did hook up with him apparently back on Broadway when she went back to Philadelphia. She became a WAC. wanting to use her entertainment skills, and went over to Hawaii where she met her husband, a prominent lawyer, and had a home there with him and here in Sausalito and developed her love of sailing. So she then did TV and she did some more Broadway, and she came here and became very actively involved politically in Hawaii and was elected to representative in the legislature twice, two terms. There were some interesting pictures of her campaigning and her little witty. And she was very involved here with the National Women's League of Women Voters and some other local political organizations. So she did not give up until the end. She had a very nice memorial yesterday. And her friends have assured me that they will give me some pictures and stuff and will put her information in the Historical Society. So I just, we've lost another good one, so. Thanks. |
| 00:55:03.94 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Vicki. And I agree with the adjourn in her name. Valerie Humphreys. Okay, any other comment from the public? All right, moving along then, let's go to approval of the consent calendar. |
| 00:55:22.63 | Carolyn Ford | I move we approve the consent calendar. |
| 00:55:25.40 | Herb Weiner | everything. |
| 00:55:25.67 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:55:25.69 | Herb Weiner | that don't know. |
| 00:55:25.77 | Linda Pfeifer | . |
| 00:55:25.91 | Carolyn Ford | you |
| 00:55:26.08 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I have just a quick question on item D. the award contract for ADA Rho improvements because this is in the historic district. Has HLB been involved in this and reviewing this at all? |
| 00:55:49.62 | Jonathan Leone | No. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:55:50.78 | Linda Pfeifer | It has not. So I'm waiting for Jonathan. |
| 00:55:50.80 | Jonathan Leone | It has. |
| 00:55:55.98 | Mary Wagner | No, it has not. |
| 00:55:57.89 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, so it's my understanding that anything that happens in the historic district needs to be, they need to be included and, you know, to just review that and confirm. |
| 00:56:09.77 | Mary Wagner | Staff's conclusion was different and we're asking you as part of the resolution to find that design review regulations do not apply. We're talking about sidewalks. So... That's an ADA requirement. |
| 00:56:26.00 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, I know it's an ADA requirement, but it seems to me that it would be important to include the HLB in the loop on this because you never know. Excuse me, Mary. I know we have to do it, but. |
| 00:56:27.59 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 00:56:27.82 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:56:36.11 | Mary Wagner | because you never know. Excuse me, Mary. I know we have to do it. Heidi Burns, who is the planner who works with the HLB, has a response to that question. |
| 00:56:46.64 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Heidi? |
| 00:56:48.85 | Heidi Burns | In terms of the design review permit regulations, any modification, exterior modification to a building in the historic district would require a design review permit. as well as a capital improvement project would require a design review permit. So if this project falls outside of that capital improvement or public enhancement project, then it's not within the HLB's purview. |
| 00:57:09.52 | Linda Pfeifer | So in other words, this would not fall under the HLB's purview then? |
| 00:57:14.28 | Heidi Burns | I would defer that project to Jonathan. I'm not quite sure where this stands in the process. OK. Good. Thank you, Heidi. |
| 00:57:21.03 | Mary Wagner | And again, because it's a maintenance project, we concluded that HLB does not have jurisdiction or that the Planning Commission does. So that's what we are asking the council to find in passing the resolution. Council Member Leon. |
| 00:57:35.32 | Mike Kelly | Right. For clarity's sake, we're talking about sidewalk corner ramps for disabled and parking space sizes, so striping. So we're not talking about a capital project or this maintenance. |
| 00:57:45.73 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:57:45.75 | Linda Pfeifer | Correct. |
| 00:57:48.82 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:57:48.84 | Linda Pfeifer | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:57:49.57 | Linda Pfeifer | Will there be colors around with the ADA ramps or anything, like bright yellows or anything like that that the HLB should be in the loop on? |
| 00:58:00.20 | Mary Wagner | The choices are relatively limited in terms of compliance with the California building code and guidelines for compliance with Americans with Disabilities Act. I think that what is anticipated in the downtown district is to use the same colors of truncated domes that have been installed there most recently. Those are not yellow. |
| 00:58:00.67 | Linda Pfeifer | Our choices are |
| 00:58:24.34 | Linda Pfeifer | Those are. Good. Okay. |
| 00:58:27.67 | Mary Wagner | Okay. |
| 00:58:28.02 | Herb Weiner | Do we have a second on this consent? Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, moving along. |
| 00:58:28.39 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Yeah. Bye. |
| 00:58:35.21 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:58:35.23 | Mike Kelly | Jonathan, while you're up, the item A, the 2011 street program, we'll have to come back at a different time once you get the bids open, and we'll see what happens with all that. |
| 00:58:46.28 | Mary Wagner | No, that's not true. We did, we have late mail, which I think you should have. We opened the bids yesterday, have evaluated the bids and the bidders, and are asking you on consent to approve a word of that contract to Majoran Gelati. |
| 00:58:52.05 | Mike Kelly | it's. You should have. |
| 00:59:06.43 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:59:07.02 | Mary Wagner | Bye. So just for clarification, it may make sense for you to have another motion on that item. |
| 00:59:15.58 | Mike Kelly | No, no, no, I'm not objecting to that. |
| 00:59:17.87 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:59:17.89 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:59:18.02 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. |
| 00:59:20.13 | Unknown | Excuse me, Mayor Wendell. Thank you. |
| 00:59:21.57 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 00:59:21.99 | Unknown | Who was the second on that? Thank you. |
| 00:59:24.34 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:59:24.74 | Herb Weiner | Jonathan was. |
| 00:59:28.97 | Herb Weiner | Okay, next item that we have on this is historic design guidelines. Heidi? |
| 00:59:45.14 | Mike Kelly | So before the writing starts, let me just comment to whoever spray painted Fix Our Street Now on Third Street in very large letters, actually probably 10-foot high letters, that it's in this list of things that are getting bid out, but not in response to your defamation of public space. |
| 01:00:04.19 | Herb Weiner | Nobody goes up Third Street anymore. Because it's two potholes. Yeah, yeah. They're coming up Fourth Street now. Go ahead. |
| 01:00:07.13 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:00:09.27 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 01:00:09.29 | Mike Kelly | straight now. |
| 01:00:09.93 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead. |
| 01:00:13.26 | Heidi Burns | I think it's the next item, which is the Historic Design Guidelines. Sorry. I'm just really excited about this project. |
| 01:00:19.62 | Kayla Kahn | I'm excited. |
| 01:00:19.89 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:00:22.33 | Heidi Burns | So good evening, Mayor Weiner, members of the City Council. I'm not quite sure any planner has ever been up at this podium before to say that they're really excited about this project. But... |
| 01:00:32.22 | Linda Pfeifer | That's true. |
| 01:00:33.40 | Heidi Burns | If not, I think I'm the first person to be really excited about introducing the next item, which would be the presentation of the Historic Design Guidelines. So hopefully we'll get my presentation up there. But in the meantime, I'll just begin. So the purpose of this item is to conduct a public hearing on the Historic Design Guidelines as well as to present the final initial environmental study, negative declaration, prepared for the historic design guidelines as well as to present the final initial environmental study, negative declarations, prepared for the historic design guidelines as well as a zoning ordinance amendment for the modification to a design review permit finding in order to allow the use of the guidelines in terms of a decision making process. So Sausalito's historic preservation efforts began essentially in 19 – or their formal efforts began in 1976 when the first historic preservation ordinance was adopted by the city council. This was also a time when Plaza Viña del Mar was identified as a California state point of historical interest. And this is also a time when the Sausalito Historical Society volunteered their time to create DPR forms to identify potentially historic resources within the historic district. At that time, there was not a historic district, but they identified specific buildings in the downtown as being what would be coined or termed contributing buildings. So those are important buildings. So in 1993, the Historic Landmarks Board determined that they needed some guiding documentation, so they informally adopted or came up with their own version of historic design guidelines. It was very brief, but it provided direction to them, but also identified the process and references. And in 1995 is when the city council through their general plan identified the importance of creating historic design guidelines and created a program specifically for that. In 1998, the City Council adopted signage guidelines for the downtown area. And it wasn't until 2005 when the Historic Landmarks Board really determine that these guidelines are necessary to help them provide recommendations on projects. So the Historic Landmarks Board members came before the City Council and really asked for financial assistance for the preparation of these guidelines. And in 2009, yay, the City Council identified this project as a top priority and allocated money. That same year, the city hired Winter and Company to prepare the guidelines That same year, we were moving forward really fast. We had our first workshop in September. And, after the workshop and working with the consultant, the Historic Landmarks Board and staff identified some big issues associated with this document and what it really should contain. It was really confusing. we went back and forth in determining should we include and the regulations update during this time, chicken the egg type thing. But we really stayed focused and in March of 2011, we were able to release a public review draft of the historic design guidelines. In April, Nora Winter from Winter & Company came out and provided a presentation to the City Council Planning Commission and the Historic Landmarks Board. And in May, the Historic Landmarks Board held a public hearing on the document. In June and July, the Planning Commission held a public hearing on this item. And here we are today in front of you. So just to go through why we need historic design guidelines. So the reason is we need a tool to guide people in terms of the preservation of architectural heritage and integrity of the city's historic resources. We have plenty of them. We would, the guidelines identify preferences and recommendations rather than definitive standards. These are not regulations, and this is a tool to say, you have a commercial building in the historic district. These elements are typically important to preserve. please preserve them. If not, the decision makers can come up with their own recommendations. Thank you. And the Guidelines are more flexible because they are not regulations, and the guidelines will be applied to those properties that are listed on the local, state, and national register. those properties that are located in the historic overlay zoning districts. That would be all properties, whether they're considered to be historic or not historic. And these guidelines would also apply to residential arcs. And that picture to the right is an example of what the guidelines would report. what they identify in terms of components of the policies identified in this document So how will the guidelines be used? Well, they're going to be used both in a formal decision-making capacity, as it relates to findings, but they're also going to be used as an advisory tool, depending on which process one is undergoing. And in the staff report, there was an attachment that gave hypothetical projects in how these guidelines would apply. But essentially, for those properties that are located on the state, local or national register or those properties located in the historic overlay district or residential arcs, they would apply to those projects that are considered discretionary. Those are the types of projects that actually require decision makers beyond staff being able to approve it over the counter. Examples would be for administrative design review permits as well as design review permits. And again, there are specific findings that would be required I'm not sure. to approve a project and with the zoning ordinance amendment that I'll be discussing in a little bit, we would be able to utilize that document for those purposes. Another element of the review is, would be for those properties that are 50 years or older. Right now, we have what we call a 50-year review policy whereby If your property is older than 50 years and you're asking for a discretionary permit, We bring the project to the Historic Landmarks Board. The Historic Landmarks Board would prepare a memo identifying whether or not the building may have any historic significance, and they provide a recommendation to the decision maker. So staff would use, again, and the HLB, the Star Glamour Board, would use this as a tool and encourage an applicant to consider it, but we couldn't require them to abide by it. So the objectives of the historic design guidelines would, again, be a tool to guide the treatment of historic resources and historic characteristics unique to Sausalito. Again, this would be a basis for decisions by decision-making bodies to ensure the preferred treatment of historic properties. And then also this would be a framework for designing projects within the downtown Hesterco-Overlay District, as well as those properties that are located or listed on the local, state, or national register in residential arts. So also to protect and enhance property values through historic preservation, there's been a lot of studies showing that Although it might be a little bit more expensive to preserve historic properties, those properties do maintain the values and enhance the values within the neighborhood. Again, another objective would be to protect important structures that are considered historic resources and contributing to the downtown historic overlay district. And then also protect the downtown historic overlay zoning district by assuring new construction additions to buildings are compatible with historic preservation principles. There's actually a specific chapter in the historic design guidelines that speaks to new projects or infill projects to ensure that the mass scale and architecture of those new buildings would be compatible. with the district. So I'm just going to skim through these next couple slides. These slides were identified in the presentation that the consultant provided to the city council in April, but essentially the document's set up with five chapters and an appendix. The document uses a lot of illustrations, photographs, diagrams, charts, and texts to help explain what the city is really looking for. Oops, I didn't know I had animation on this. Also, this is another helpful tool in the document, which if someone, let's say, is proposing to work on a property on the local register, you can go down to work on local registered property and it refers a person to the specific chapters in the document This is another example of some diagrams and charts that are in here. This is a step-by-step process in terms of figuring out if your building is historically significant. This would, again, be a great example of providing pictures, text, charts, and then verbiage. And one thing that I really like about the historic design guidelines, which would be helpful for a layperson, is trying to figure out what the architecture of your building is. So in the appendix, we have a lot of examples of architecture and... it identifies what features of that architecture have what they call character defining features. Those features are what makes your building important. So if one was interested in preserving their building, even though it may or may not be historic, they could refer to this document and say, oh, okay, I need to, you know, replace my lap siding instead of changing it with, you know, horizontal, I'm going to keep my lap. So, it's just an example. The architecture also applies to residential and commercial buildings and arcs. During the process, both at the Historic Landmarks Board and Planning Commission levels, both bodies unanimously recommended approval of this document. However, they did have a few recommendations. And so these are the two most important recommendations, which staff would suggest the city council allowing the incorporation of these modifications. One would be to include photographs of mid-century houses throughout the guidelines. Mid-century houses are very important to Sausalito. We've had very notable architects that have constructed their buildings here. Thank you. and we're at an age where they're actually becoming historic based on being older than 50 years. Also, there was a recommendation to modify Appendix E. Appendix E currently provides a list of preservation briefs that the Secretary of the Interior provides for the treatment of historic features such as stucco or dealing with masonry. But it was suggested throughout the process that this should be an all-encompassing reference document that should provide links to everything. Um, There's great briefs regarding sustainability that the Secretary of the Interior has released, actually around the same time as our public draft, that, you know, could be incorporated as an additional tool. And also other resources that could be helpful for the preservation of buildings. |
| 01:11:24.78 | Unknown | is our |
| 01:11:37.44 | Heidi Burns | So moving on to the proposed zoning ordinance amendment, we have our historic design guidelines and we have the policies but how are we going to actually implement them and be able to rely upon them and the only way to do that right now is to modify our zoning ordinance and the most innocuous way to do that without changing the policy or the intent of our current designer view permit findings would be to add you know a couple actually four words to an existing finding. Currently, the first finding in the design review states that the proposed project is consistent with the general plan and any applicable specific plans in this chapter. What we're proposing to do is add any applicable design guidelines. This not only allows us to use this for the historic design guidelines, But, um, you know, maybe in the future there might be design guidelines for other buildings. So we wouldn't need to change it. THAT WAY. Another component of the project is compliance with the California Environmental Quality Act. And although it could have been determined through the initial environmental study that we could have categorically exempted this project, the city staff wanted to be a little bit more safe and we wanted to prepare an actual negative declaration. And so we prepared the public review draft. It was subject to a 20-day noticing period. The noticing and comment period ended on June 24th of this year. No comments were received. Also at the Planning Commission meeting, the Planning Commission opened this up for public comment as well, and no one commented on the project or the Negative declaration. And the findings of the negative declaration states or finds that there are no adverse impacts associated with the adoption, the guidelines, and the zoning ordinance amendment. So with that, and bear with me, I'm going to read this because it's really important based on the Zoning Ordinance Amendment language. Staff is recommending that the City Council provide direction to staff regarding any modifications to the historic design guidelines. The final version of the document will be provided at the next scheduled or prior to final action and staff is recommending that we continue this meeting to September 27th. but also for the City Council to approve the final initial environmental study negative declaration. There is a draft resolution that was included in your packet. and staff is recommending that you approve that. And in that, there is also a finding of de minimis regarding the impacts on fish and wildlife. So that's included in there. introduce and read by title only an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending section 10.54.050.2. D.1 of the Sausalito Municipal Code to require designer view permits to be consistent with applicable design guidelines and again to continue this meeting or the second reading of the ordinance to September 27th of this year and that meeting would also include final adoption of the historic design guidelines. So with that, I will conclude my presentation and am available to answer any questions you may have. |
| 01:14:53.19 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 01:14:53.24 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:14:53.25 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. A couple questions, Heidi. The 1993 guidance. Are they superseded? |
| 01:15:01.56 | Heidi Burns | That's a question that we're actually working on, and by the time we get back to you on September 27th, we'll have that clarified. It appears as though that Historic Landmarks Board, approved them, but I looked through all the minutes and there are no action minutes, there's no resolution, there's nothing. |
| 01:15:21.23 | Jonathan Leone | So we're still And there was that 1995 or 9 or whatever subsequent issue to the board to prepare new ones. And the reason I know is because my first assignment was to be the liaison with the Landmarks Board and prepare new design guidelines, which didn't go very far. But that's why I think we ought to clear that up. My choice would be to get rid of the 93 because this far supersedes that and it should be one document so people don't have to go back and forth between two things. |
| 01:15:41.01 | Linda Pfeifer | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:15:55.25 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:15:55.52 | Jonathan Leone | So that's number one. I always hate it when I'm looking at somebody else's zoning ordinance, or even ours for that matter, when I get down and it says, be consistent with applicable design guidelines, and then there's no reference to where I can find those applicable design guidelines. So could we footnote that in this? without messing up our zoning codes and say including the or see reference page 4 or something. Just so the reader just says, okay, I got to comply with these. Where are they? |
| 01:16:19.50 | Linda Pfeifer | Sure. |
| 01:16:20.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:22.54 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:16:24.72 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Mm-hmm. |
| 01:16:26.20 | Jonathan Leone | And where do I find them? And what's the name? We don't even name the document. So what's the name? |
| 01:16:30.28 | Mary Wagner | Would it be enough to say including without limitation the blank and put the title in? It would be fine. |
| 01:16:35.14 | Jonathan Leone | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:16:35.31 | Mary Wagner | So there's one. |
| 01:16:36.32 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:16:36.34 | Mike Kelly | The inclusory rather than exclusionary is much better. As you stated, rather than saying just one document to be, call out a specific document in addition to others. There could be others. |
| 01:16:39.02 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:16:39.04 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:16:39.16 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:16:39.21 | Jonathan Leone | . |
| 01:16:39.41 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:16:40.19 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:16:41.42 | Josh McHugh | rather than saying, |
| 01:16:42.05 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:16:42.06 | Josh McHugh | Thank you. |
| 01:16:43.18 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. There could be others, but at least the main document. |
| 01:16:50.11 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:16:52.36 | Herb Weiner | Any other members have any questions up here? Okay, any comments? Okay, go ahead. |
| 01:16:56.74 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm not sure. |
| 01:16:57.93 | Linda Pfeifer | I just... Heidi, I just want to say this is a fantastic job and very detailed, and you listened to all of our initial feedback, and I really appreciate it. This is great. |
| 01:17:00.46 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 01:17:09.32 | Herb Weiner | Amen. At this time, any comments from the public on this item? Vicky? |
| 01:17:19.36 | Vicki Nichols | I'd just like to say, because I know she won't say it herself, that Hyda Burns has been our liaison for all through this process. and her knowledge and her commitment and her flexibility to get this done has been amazing. Everybody on the HLB is you know, we've had many, many meetings and done the work, but Heidi has been consistently our champion And I just think she needs to be acknowledged. Thank you. |
| 01:17:46.36 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor? Oh, well, I guess we're not commenting yet, are we? Yeah, let me bring it back. |
| 01:17:48.99 | Herb Weiner | I haven't been commenting yet already. Yeah, let me bring it back. John, do you have a comment? Oh, just waving at you? Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right, let's bring it back up here. Mr. Mayor, I would just... |
| 01:17:54.64 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. Okay. All right, let's bring it back up here. Mr. Mayor, I would just like to echo what everyone has said. Heidi is so excited and with good reason. This is a wonderful accomplishment, and I'd like to congratulate you on it. And I think we should also recognize the HLB for their contributions through this process and the work that they contributed. So it's a great job done by all concerned. Thank you. |
| 01:18:26.38 | Herb Weiner | Okay, any other comments? As I said, I started. |
| 01:18:28.63 | Jonathan Leone | As I said, I started on this in 2004 and sat with the HLB under many torturous conditions as we tried to figure out what to do. There was no money and none forthcoming, and we couldn't even get it on the agenda. So it's come a long way, and it finally took some savings and a little bank account and we found our $50,000 and off we went. So this is a terrific accomplishment and it will so help everybody who has to deal with a preservation asset, which most of our assets are starting to be. It's a fabulous job and I can't say enough for your enthusiasm and your efforts. Thank you. |
| 01:18:51.58 | Unknown | savings. |
| 01:19:07.48 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm not sure. |
| 01:19:12.50 | Herb Weiner | And I think we all up here echo the same thing. Job well done. And the enthusiasm is very positive. Okay, so now we have to... |
| 01:19:23.69 | Carolyn Ford | So we just say, we recommend, we move. |
| 01:19:25.95 | Mary Wagner | We move. We need you to actually take two actions. The first, adopting the resolution. And the second, introducing the ordinance. And unfortunately, you do have to read the whole title. |
| 01:19:28.62 | Herb Weiner | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:19:28.65 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, I'll do it. |
| 01:19:34.76 | Jonathan Leone | Okay, I move we approve the final and initial environmental study, negative declaration, and adopt a resolution which includes a de minimis finding identifying no impact on fish and wildlife. |
| 01:19:46.32 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:19:46.34 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:19:46.39 | Linda Pfeifer | it. |
| 01:19:46.46 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. I second. |
| 01:19:46.69 | Jonathan Leone | I second. |
| 01:19:48.52 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, point of clarification. So I think what Mike was saying before, this has been a long time coming for a lot of people. And part of it was finding money to do this. And there are a lot of people who have, in the past, wanted to make these changes. |
| 01:19:48.73 | Linda Pfeifer | I have a point of clarification. |
| 01:19:50.45 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:20:04.82 | Mike Kelly | but it took some effort on Mike's part and on my part to find the money to actually undertake this and get it on the agenda. We've been trying to get it on the agenda for five years. And finally we got it in the budget. which was a challenge. cleaning up things that should have been done a long time ago and preserving the the culture, the character, and the history of Sausalito, which people speak to, but you've got to finally take action to do it. And this is our first go at it. There are a lot of other things to come that we finally said we're going to step up and pay for them to happen. And that's what it takes. You can't just sit up here and pontificate. You have to actually make it happen through funding things. |
| 01:20:46.31 | Herb Weiner | Okay, so did we have a second on that? Yes. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? No. Okay, next. We have to, okay, go ahead, Heidi. |
| 01:20:49.64 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:20:49.72 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |
| 01:20:50.02 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. I... |
| 01:20:52.03 | Mary Wagner | Bye. Next. |
| 01:20:59.90 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:21:00.17 | Mary Wagner | You got to take the name of the table. There's a second. We're sure it wouldn't last. |
| 01:21:00.96 | Herb Weiner | There's a second one hiding. |
| 01:21:02.97 | Jonathan Leone | I move that we introduce and read by title only an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending section 1054. 050 D1 of the Saucedo Municipal Code to require design review permits to be consistent with applicable design guidelines with a footnote. |
| 01:21:20.10 | Carolyn Ford | Second. |
| 01:21:21.51 | Herb Weiner | Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:21:22.81 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 01:21:27.67 | Herb Weiner | Okay, Heidi, you might as well stay up there. |
| 01:21:30.66 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:21:30.68 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:21:30.69 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 01:21:30.76 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:21:30.78 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:21:30.79 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:21:30.81 | Linda Pfeifer | Go party. Okay. |
| 01:21:32.58 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Next we have is the America's Cup draft E-R-I-E-I-R. |
| 01:21:44.92 | Heidi Burns | So shifting gears, I guess this is going to be the more academic discussion regarding the America's Cup. It might be a little bit less dynamic and enthusiastic, but we just... |
| 01:21:56.01 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:21:56.04 | Herb Weiner | But, um... |
| 01:21:56.70 | Linda Pfeifer | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:21:56.93 | Herb Weiner | Well, your tone went down a little younger than I noticed that. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:22:00.81 | Heidi Burns | No, this is also a very exciting project to be working on. |
| 01:22:04.43 | Mike Kelly | You got the cup and you took it and took this picture. How did you get permission for that? |
| 01:22:09.69 | Heidi Burns | I didn't. I just borrowed it. So the purpose of this item is to provide an update to the city council on the draft environmental impact report that was recently released by the city of San Francisco and also to request one city council member be assigned to work with staff to prepare comments. This comment letter would essentially identify impacts to Sausalito and ask the city of San Francisco to prepare a response to our comments. |
| 01:22:13.37 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, but not a lot. |
| 01:22:15.19 | Mike Kelly | So. |
| 01:22:43.37 | Heidi Burns | So just to give you a little bit of a background, in February of this year, the city of San Francisco released a notice of preparation. for whatever reason the city got wind of it towards the end of its public comment period, but we were able to actually present to the city council a draft comment letter. We got it out in time. And, um, we were able to get a lot of our comments addressed, some of our comments addressed in this draft EIR. And the project scope identified in the notice of preparation as well as the draft EIR relates to the America's Cup events, the James R. Herman Cruise Terminal, and the Northeast Wharf Plaza. As it relates to the discussion that I'm going to be presenting tonight, it's going to be specifically just on the America's Cup events as it relates to Sausalito, and it does not include the other impacts associated with that draft EIR. So on July 11th of this year, the City of San Francisco formally released this draft EIR and the comments are due to the city on August 25th. Due to the August recess of all boards and commissions, it's essential that the City Council provide direction to staff on what this letter is going to entail. So that's why we're requesting your assistance. Just to go into a little bit or identify the highlights of what the draft EIR provided, I just thought I'd go through some slides. It's kind of interesting. So originally in the notice of preparation, they were identifying that there was going to be three years' worth of events. I think the city of San Francisco and the America's Cup sponsors realized that it was going to be very difficult to identify impacts associated with an event happening this year. So they found other locations. But essentially the EIR discusses a two-year event. The first one would begin in the summer of 2012. and it would be on their 45-foot catamarans. The EIR identified that there would be 20 total race days and four weekend events. In the spring-summer of 2013, the races would include the 72-foot-long catamarans. It would be a multi-weekend event, and there would be a total of 85 days associated with the event, 45 of which would be race days, 40 would be non-race days, but they would still host events. have the Louis Vuitton Cup, which is scheduled to occur between July and July and September of 2013, and then the actual America's Cup finals, which would occur after Labor Day weekend in 2013. So the race course identified in the draft EIR is similar to the one they provided in the notice of preparation. The blue line denotes the extent of the race area, and the green areas denotate where people can anchor their vessels. So their designated anchoring areas associated with the event. In the draft EIR, they identified six spectator venue sites, although this slide identifies boxes of where America's Cup related events would occur. One of the sites that they identified would be the Fort Baker Pier at Cavello Point. In the slide to the right, I've actually circled the pier, and then the slide to the left identifies where the video cameras are going to be located. In the draft EIR, it states that the events to occur at this pier are going to be private events only. They will not be open to the public. Draft EIR also identified what they call secondary viewing areas. These are those areas where people may go to observe the races without any America's Cup programming and added attractions. So in the EIR, the draft EIR, they have identified that yes, people from different jurisdictions are going to be able to see the race. And because the America's Cup hasn't identified that they want to have specific America's Cup programming here, They've still identified that the city of Saucelater would have primary views of the race, but we're just kind of a step down from being a spectator venue area. The draft EIR also identified this figure, which they call Race Area View Shed in Secondary Viewing Areas. And they're basically identifying Saucido's Southern Waterfront as having high visibility and just having a really good view of the race course. The draft EIR provided diagrams for recreational facilities in the project area. They identified the Bay Trail. This is a trail that links nine counties in the Bay Area together. It's a highly used bicycle trail, and it runs right through Sausalito. The EIR also included or identified four specific recreational sites in Sausalito that would have views of the race courses, and that would be from Tiffany Park, Yitok Chi, They identified which I thought was really interesting, a Sausalito town square. And in researching that a little bit more, apparently that's the Plaza of Vigna del Mar. And then they identified Gabrieltson Park. |
| 01:27:54.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:27:55.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:27:56.39 | Heidi Burns | as being recreational areas. This next figure is very interesting because it's a figure on navigational water designations. And what's really interesting is, I'll push this little laser. It'll take a second for it to work. But you can see where the term Richardson Bay is identified. It's not popping up. But you can see Richardson Bay. And in that yellow area, and then also towards the southern end of the town, there's kind of a triangle. Those are what they've identified as anchorage areas. And it specifically says that the town is kind of a triangle. Those are what they've identified as anchorage areas and it specifically says anchoring is prohibited outside of designated anchorages except one required for safety and a written permission of the captain of the port. So these are potentially important impacts to the city, because this is basically the release of, to people, where they could anchor around this area. And what's really interesting is further in the EAR, they also have mapping of eelgrass, and you can see that big kind of green blue blob would be those areas of significant eel grasses, but it's also that area where they're identifying Richardson Bay. So that's something, and it was brought up earlier tonight about the importance of identifying if we're going to have mooring fields, we need to plan for it, because this is really important herring habitat. The AR does identify, and they also provide really great existing settings for the whole entire Bay Area. So I suggest if you're interested and you can read the existing settings. Really interesting history. And they also provide really great existing settings for the whole entire Bay Area. So I suggest if you're interested you can read the existing settings, really interesting history. But they identify regarding the herring that during the spring and summer the herring are actually out in the ocean and they're foraging, getting ready for their spawning. And then they come back in the fall and the winter to do their spawning. What it doesn't identify is what happens if there's anchoring in these fields and the herring come back and there's no more habitat. |
| 01:29:51.76 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:29:52.03 | Heidi Burns | So that's a scary, potentially important concern to consider. I thought this was interesting in the draft EIR, it identified Saucido marinas. So again, they're identifying outside of the city limits, the Richardson Bay Marina, but they identified Clipper, Pelican Harbor, Marina Plaza, Schoonmaker. What I thought was really interesting is that they don't provide the Sausalito Yacht Harbor. |
| 01:30:17.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:17.78 | Linda Pfeifer | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:30:17.97 | Heidi Burns | Um, |
| 01:30:18.00 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:30:18.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:18.10 | Linda Pfeifer | It's a good citizen. |
| 01:30:19.13 | Heidi Burns | I don't know why. But the document does appear to be, because I think it was quickly put together, that there are some inconsistencies in the document, which we're going to discuss a little bit later. And I thought this was another interesting figure. It's access points for human powered boats and beachable sailcraft. And in Sausalito, they've identified specific sites. I don't know what that means yet. Staff hasn't had a chance to read all through the document. But again, you know, they provide a really great existing setting, but then they don't identify what they're actually portraying in these figures and the impacts associated with them. |
| 01:30:59.01 | Mike Kelly | There's no key to those M4, M6. They looked. |
| 01:31:01.86 | Heidi Burns | I looked and there's nothing. |
| 01:31:03.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:31:04.80 | Heidi Burns | So one item that the draft EIR responded to would be the impacts on Sausalito related to the America's Cup. not quite sure how they came up with these numbers, but the EIR determines that in 2012 approximately 3,500 visitors would come to Sausalito for the weekend events. |
| 01:31:18.23 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:31:18.72 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:31:26.01 | Heidi Burns | and 200 would come during the weekend events. |
| 01:31:28.91 | Jonathan Leone | Heidi, on that last slide. |
| 01:31:30.31 | Heidi Burns | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:31:33.05 | Jonathan Leone | It says, human-powered and beachable sail craft. |
| 01:31:37.70 | Heidi Burns | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:31:37.96 | Jonathan Leone | That would tend to be like small boats. Yeah, I'm... |
| 01:31:40.77 | Heidi Burns | Yeah, I'm assuming it's going to be dinghies, lasers, snipes. |
| 01:31:43.52 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. just nights. So he just took the open beach areas and just stuck it on there? but... |
| 01:31:50.31 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. Yeah, and it looks like it's associated with some marinas as well. |
| 01:31:53.73 | Jonathan Leone | Fortunately, this will probably never get out of the middle of this document, so. |
| 01:31:58.09 | Heidi Burns | laughter So going back to population figures, I thought some of these statistics were interesting regarding water-based spectator vessels. They identified that in 2012 there would be approximately 655 to a little over 1,800 vessels out there, and in terms of water-based passengers, there would be approximately 1,300 to 4,600 people out there. But if you were to actually go to the appendix, the numbers are a lot higher. And just to Step back a little bit. These spectator vessel and passenger numbers are for boats in the central bay. It's not the bay itself. It's not necessarily Sausalito. But the first two bullets specifically relate to Sausalito. The same with 2013. It's anticipated that 5,000 visitors associated with the America's Cup event would come to Sausalito on the weekend, 225 during the weekday events. And in terms of water-based spectator vessels, the numbers increased slightly to range between 790 and close to 3,000 boats and about 1,800 to 6,300 water passengers. So in the draft EIR, and I identified it also in the staff report, there are 250 impacts associated with the entire scope of the project. That includes the infrastructure projects and terminal projects over in the San Francisco area. Out of those 250 impacts, it appears as though 30 impacts could affect Sausalito. Those impacts relate to transit capacity. It's identified that there would be level of service and capacity impacts that are significant and unavoidable to both the Golden Gate Ferry, Golden Gate Transit, and the Blue and Gold. What that means is that even with mitigation, you're still going to have impacts that you cannot mitigate. There are definite impacts to, or The impacts that they identified relate to concerns we have regarding our marine environment. And we need to look at that a little bit more closely, as well as waterfront impacts associated with moorings, anchorages, transient docking, loading, unloading, that type of thing. The biggest concern associated with this document, and again, I haven't spent too much time on it, but enough to kind of get an understanding of what they're doing is they're relying on future plans to be prepared. So such as the impacts related to marinas and eelgrass is that there is a mitigation measure that requires the preparation of a water and air traffic plan. What they're doing is the document identifies specific performance measures, which means any plan that's created regarding those elements has to include X, Y, and Z. but those performance standards may not to some of the current CERNs that Sausalito may have. So it's important that if it's identified that additional performance standards should be included, then we should possibly include that in our comment letter to the city before August 25th. So another concern regarding staff's preliminary review of the document would be inconsistent plans, especially as it relates to the preparation of these other plans. that the document is relying on. A great example would be this public safety plan. Captain Rohrabacher has been working very closely with the city of San Francisco and other communities to prepare a public safety plan. And during those meetings, there's been a new race course that's been introduced and it's significantly more narrow than what the draft EIR is showing. one of the questions could be, you know, please provide us what that true race course is going to be, because based on the race course associated with the public safety plan, it appears as though Sausalito may have less impacts because, you know, people wouldn't be able to see the race course quite as well as if it's within their proposed race course area. So, with, oh, and regarding the CEQA review process, I just wanted to include this in here just so that the City Council is aware of where we are in the process. I provided this with the notice of preparation originally. And right now we're at step number five, which is a local agency holds a, actually we're at step four. Local agency files a notice of completion with the state and they're embarking upon their 45-day review period. So during this time, again, anyone has the ability to provide comments. And the next steps would be 5 through 12, which would be for the |
| 01:36:44.05 | Unknown | would be |
| 01:36:47.92 | Heidi Burns | public hearings to occur on this document and for the document to get approved and implemented. So other public comment opportunities that the city would have would be steps four through five. But after that, our commenting is very limited. And the Planning Commission for the City of San Francisco will be holding their meeting, I believe the second weekend in August. So it's really important for the city to quickly put together comments. So with that, staff is recommending that the City Council assign one City Council member to assist staff in preparing comments on the America's Cup draft EIR. And again, these comments are due no later than 5 o'clock on August 25th. So with that, I will conclude my presentation. |
| 01:37:34.59 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Heidi. Any comments from up here? From Member Pfeiffer? |
| 01:37:38.85 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Heidi, thanks again for a great presentation, very thorough. I was just wondering, I was looking in and I didn't see the eelgrass. And could you send that to us or maybe I'm missing it. |
| 01:37:55.50 | Mike Moyle | It's really fun. |
| 01:37:56.90 | Heidi Burns | Yeah, it's in the EIR. I didn't include that in the... |
| 01:37:59.43 | Linda Pfeifer | Oh, it's online. OK, thanks. |
| 01:38:01.39 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:38:01.49 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. |
| 01:38:01.73 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:38:01.74 | Linda Pfeifer | in the world. |
| 01:38:02.02 | Heidi Burns | Just a little plug. Albert Vianna, our administrative assistant, is actually creating a link on the city's website under what's current. So you can scroll down to America's Cup. And then it's basically going to be |
| 01:38:02.12 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm sorry. |
| 01:38:16.39 | Heidi Burns | letter identifying the link to the draft EIR. And if you would need it, if you'd like a hard copy, we have a CD that I can burn you another version of. Thank you. |
| 01:38:27.11 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 01:38:27.38 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:38:28.17 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. So I have a question. Ms. Mary Kelly. The Chris Gallagher tonight talked about the dredging that they're contemplating. There'll be a CEQA maybe. If the feds run that program, do they get to jump over CEQA? |
| 01:38:47.38 | Heidi Burns | They cannot. So my understanding... |
| 01:38:48.23 | Jonathan Leone | So my understanding... I mean, that may govern more than anything else what goes there, because if there's eogress there and it becomes environmentally unsound for the fish, blah, blah, blah. |
| 01:38:53.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:53.77 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 01:38:53.84 | Heidi Burns | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:38:54.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:59.95 | Jonathan Leone | nobody's going to be dredging there. So then that stops that process and kind of trumps this one is what I'm thinking. Thank you. |
| 01:39:05.35 | Heidi Burns | Right, and that's a possibility. Staff really didn't have a lot of time to delve through the four volumes. Yeah, yeah. But that's good. |
| 01:39:05.38 | Jonathan Leone | All right. |
| 01:39:10.39 | Jonathan Leone | Four volumes. |
| 01:39:11.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:39:11.88 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:39:12.03 | Doreen Gunnar | that up. |
| 01:39:15.30 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:39:15.32 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:39:15.34 | Mike Kelly | Council member Leon just to clarify any Dredging proposals that would involve the city would start here first public land. Yes |
| 01:39:23.71 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. But it is, the Feds are sort of in that process too. Yeah, well they have that. |
| 01:39:27.57 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, well, they have that channel. I don't know. I know that they have the channel from the bay to the bay model. That's the channel that the Army Corps of Engineers keeps clear. |
| 01:39:38.59 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:39:38.61 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 01:39:39.97 | Mike Kelly | But you'd still have a chance to, they'd have to go through a sequel review as well to do that. |
| 01:39:44.60 | Heidi Burns | They do. There's actually a very arduous process to get a dredging permit in the Bay, and the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission and the Army Corps of Engineers oversees that program. There's a lot of documentation that's involved. |
| 01:39:59.23 | Mike Kelly | Okay, good. Clearinghouse and all the other stuff that this process would have to go through. |
| 01:39:59.35 | Heidi Burns | Okay, good. |
| 01:40:04.12 | Heidi Burns | It's determined that an environmental document is prepared, needs to be prepared. |
| 01:40:04.14 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. I'm just saying. Right. |
| 01:40:09.61 | Herb Weiner | Okay, any other comments? Anybody from the public? |
| 01:40:13.98 | Captain Rohrabacher | Thank you. |
| 01:40:14.45 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 01:40:17.00 | Captain Rohrabacher | Good evening, Mayor, members of the City Council. Knowing that you are going to hear from the three committees making up the task force on America's Cup and hearing from Heidi about the environmental impact report, the city manager asks that I just give you a short summary of the three committees that we actively participate in, having to do with public safety plans. The first is the Golden Gate Bridge Security Coalition. That group has been in existence for many, many years. South Street have been involved all that time. I've been on it for two years. Chief Irving serves on that same coalition, and America's Cup is a very, very big part of our agenda. We meet every two weeks on Tuesday mornings at the bridge. And so we're continuing to have discussions about America's Cup impact. The second group that I belong to is the Coast Guard's Neptune Coalition, and that's for public safety or water resources for the Bay Area. Thank you. And, um, The third one is the San Francisco Police Department's Public Safety Plan Committee. That committee's made up right now of about 100 people. Same as the Neptune Coalition right now has grown to about 100 people just based on the interest in America's Cup. And just like you heard from Jim Gabbard and the others, that the need to plan is vital, and it's never too early to get started. We've been working on this probably since our first meetings in February, just about the same time that the announcements were coming out of San Francisco. So we're actively involved in that. You heard Heidi say earlier that there's some inconsistencies that come up. I'd like you to know that there's nothing to be concerned about right now because it's again so early on. The whole idea behind these processes and these meetings is to identify those inconsistencies and take a look at how that affects us here in Sausalito. Knowing that this large plan for San Francisco's public safety endeavor in some ways minimalizes Sausalito. And our active involvement in that is to make sure that that doesn't really happen. |
| 01:42:13.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:14.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:16.84 | Captain Rohrabacher | We're hosting the next large group meeting here in Sausalito on September 1st. The idea behind that is to bring all those people over here and see that Sausalito is a player in this and that we're not to be ignored. In addition to that, there's 27 subcommittees of the San Francisco large group effort. We intend to in the proportionate way duplicate those here for our emergency plan in Sausalito. We won't need every single one of them, but all the ones that are appropriate, we're going to be doing the same thing here. So we're going to be developing a Marin County subgroup for all the same things that we're doing in San Francisco. So we've been at it about six months. We've got an awful lot of work to do. If nothing else, you should have confidence that your two public safety departments are up to their eyeballs in this, and it will be for quite a while. So if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them, but it really is early in the process. I see Council Member Ford. |
| 01:43:07.89 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 01:43:15.30 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, Captain Rohrabacher. Are you discussing more ferries, how to handle more bicycles, all of that as well? |
| 01:43:24.12 | Captain Rohrabacher | No. No, that's way too small to detail at the moment, not to make that sound like it's not important, but right now this early on, we're really looking at truly big picture stuff, starting with satellite coverage, air traffic, water traffic, you know, the overall impacts, you know, dignitary protection, the security for our businesses, the hotel fraud and crimes, but it will get to that, it's just not getting there right this minute. |
| 01:43:29.42 | Carolyn Ford | because I'm like, |
| 01:43:51.14 | Captain Rohrabacher | So out of those 27 subcommittees, |
| 01:43:51.19 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. |
| 01:43:53.56 | Captain Rohrabacher | and which we won't be on all 27 of them. Somebody's gonna be getting after that for sure. |
| 01:43:58.62 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 01:43:58.65 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:43:58.67 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:43:59.19 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:43:59.90 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:44:00.35 | Heidi Burns | Yes, sir. |
| 01:44:01.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:44:01.35 | Heidi Burns | something to that? |
| 01:44:02.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:44:02.97 | Heidi Burns | So that's another issue that's going to be identified in a future plan called a people plan. And that people plan is being prepared, well, it has been prepared. And unfortunately, the city has lost its opportunity to provide comments on that document. But again, because the EIR is relying on this people plan, through our comments, it could potentially be addressed. And on September 30th, the city will be taking action on that people plan. But the people plan speaks to pedestrian bikes and traffic and how they're going to move people |
| 01:44:03.43 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:44:37.41 | Heidi Burns | primarily through San Francisco. but now that it's been identified in this draft EIR, Thank you. that America's Cup impacts are going to impact other areas, it should be expanded upon. |
| 01:44:48.04 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor? Yes. Another question for Heidi? Heidi, Viña del Mar was mentioned, which really scares me. We need to find some way to protect Viña del Mar. And I don't know what you have in mind for that, whether it's taking it off the... making sure it's removed from one of the places or Any plans for that yet? |
| 01:45:14.59 | Heidi Burns | you No, I mean, again, the purpose of staff working with a city council member is to try to address some of these larger policy issues that may come up through this process. We have a little bit of time to address on a local level what we want to do with it. You know, whether it's in the EIR or it's not, people are going to come to Sausalito and they're going to see this beautiful park with a fountain and they're going to want to come to it. So we, similar to what the task force is coming up with, we need to plan for what's important in the downtown. And that's, again, going to happen at a later date and time. That may not be associated with this draft EIR. But that's a great observation. |
| 01:45:57.05 | Herb Weiner | Just one other comment. We have been in communication with Golden Gate Ferry, and tentatively they've agreed that during that period of time, So I should say on the weekends when Laxborough Landing is because it is a commuter, will be empty. that they plan to, that they'd be willing to run a ferry from Larkspur Landing to Sausalito. and that way there are people from the North Bay or from the East Bay will be able to put their vehicles over and that has 1,500 spaces over in Locksburg. and take it over to Sausalito that way. And the other that we're talking to is coming from Jack London Square and having the people take the ferry from the East Bay that way. So we're on it. Okay. So what do we need here? Thank you. |
| 01:46:52.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:46:52.92 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, this time here, Vice Mayor Kelly, I'd like to pick you as the recommender. |
| 01:46:53.68 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. . |
| 01:47:02.22 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, did you take public comment on this item? |
| 01:47:04.41 | Herb Weiner | I did. |
| 01:47:05.09 | Mary Wagner | No. |
| 01:47:05.80 | Jonathan Leone | just could you |
| 01:47:06.18 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:47:06.30 | Jonathan Leone | you They did, and John Rohrabacher got up. |
| 01:47:08.81 | Mary Wagner | No. Captain Roebacher was saying that. I'm sorry, but I did say |
| 01:47:09.76 | Jonathan Leone | I'm going to go. |
| 01:47:10.03 | Herb Weiner | Excuse me, is there any? I'm sorry, but I did say that, but, you know, is there any other? Maybe they didn't hear me. Is there any comments from the public on that? I did say that. Okay. It's okay. |
| 01:47:14.28 | Mary Wagner | Oh. |
| 01:47:14.74 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:47:14.79 | Mary Wagner | you know, |
| 01:47:15.02 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, okay. |
| 01:47:15.45 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:47:15.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:47:15.80 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:47:15.87 | Linda Pfeifer | any other. |
| 01:47:22.11 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. |
| 01:47:24.31 | Herb Weiner | It's the first time I ever got one on you. |
| 01:47:27.90 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm sorry. |
| 01:47:27.97 | Herb Weiner | I'm not there. |
| 01:47:28.22 | Linda Pfeifer | Touche. |
| 01:47:31.85 | Unknown | . |
| 01:47:33.79 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 01:47:33.91 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 01:47:36.98 | Herb Weiner | Next item that we have is on the If I can... |
| 01:47:42.63 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. THE FAMILY IS |
| 01:47:45.82 | Herb Weiner | Vice-Mexe. Fire consolidation, approval of notice of intention to file an application for annexation. Charlie Francis. Good evening. |
| 01:47:55.36 | Charlie Francis | I'm not. |
| 01:47:55.48 | Herb Weiner | . Mr. Mayor, members of the |
| 01:47:56.79 | Charlie Francis | City Council. Thank you, John. Go ahead. On June 20th, this last month of 2011, the City Council of the City of Sausalito met in a joint meeting with the Board of Directors for the Southern Marin Fire District. During that meeting both the council and the Southern Marin Fire Protection District reviewed the documents and the financial arrangements regarding the application with the Marin County Local Agency Formation Commission. And at the conclusion of that meeting, both the city council and the city of Sausalito and the board of directors for the Southern Marin Fire District directed staff to work together to file the application or to prepare the application with Marin County Local Agency Formation Commission hereafter called LAFCO. So there's a public hearing. The city is required to hold a public hearing before submitting the application to LAFCO, and that public hearing is scheduled for September 13th. And LAFCO provides for, in the principle of transparency, to file a notice of intention to file an application and to actually send that notice of intention to file an application to LAFCO to interested governmental agencies in the area. So the council action that's being requested tonight is for the council to, by motion action, direct staff to send the notice of intention to file an application to annexation. And a draft of that notice of intention is attached to the staff report. |
| 01:49:39.20 | Carolyn Ford | Any questions for me? Yes. |
| 01:49:43.04 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:49:44.49 | Carolyn Ford | I noticed in the staff report that it mentions one One public workshop. One public workshop to be held on September 8th at the city fire station. Are there more? |
| 01:50:07.91 | Charlie Francis | There's no more scheduled at the present time. |
| 01:50:10.64 | Carolyn Ford | And why would that be? I mean, one public workshop for an item as big as this one is unacceptable in my mind. Mm. |
| 01:50:25.39 | Adam Politzer | If I may, Councilmember Ford, thank you for the question. I don't think that our intention is to limit it to one public workshop. the recommendation from our Uh, committee and our consultants. was to hold the first public workshop, see what type of Questions come from that and then schedule the next meeting after we receive public information from our community at that meeting. So I don't think there's any intent to not have additional meetings, but we wanted to at least schedule one |
| 01:50:55.01 | Unknown | So there will be... |
| 01:51:01.98 | Adam Politzer | as we heard from the public. prior to after the summer basically not in July and August and prior to the meeting on the 13th So that that's the intent of posting that meeting not to exclude it |
| 01:51:08.15 | Josh McHugh | Thank you. |
| 01:51:08.19 | Carolyn Ford | I'm not. |
| 01:51:08.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:51:09.32 | Carolyn Ford | Right. |
| 01:51:16.25 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, are there... |
| 01:51:16.30 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 01:51:18.30 | Carolyn Ford | other meetings planned? I mean, when would the other meetings be? No. |
| 01:51:23.04 | Adam Politzer | Nothing else was planned at this time, but we would again look back to the public based on the attendance at that meeting. to again give us feedback on meetings in October and November. Obviously, it's so directed by the council. So we'll come back after that meeting on the 13th. discussion based on feedback from the council. and the Fire Consolidation Committee. and then the council will get further direction. |
| 01:51:53.28 | Carolyn Ford | All right. Second question, is there some latitude in the terms of the date for that meeting? It's September 8th, which is only a couple of days after Labor Day. It is not the usual Saturday mornings that we typically have our workshops on. And I'm unable to attend, and I would like to be able to attend as a council member. so I'm requesting if possible that that date be I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. SO I'M REQUESTING IF POSSIBLE THAT THAT DATE BE MOVED TO SEPTEMBER 10TH. |
| 01:52:27.23 | Adam Politzer | That's, yeah, if I can answer that question. Our communities traditionally held meetings on Thursdays and Saturdays. and |
| 01:52:36.95 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 01:52:37.51 | Adam Politzer | at the discretion of the council, change if they so wish. |
| 01:52:43.24 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, I would like to ask Council to consider changing the date to the 10th. All right, so in terms of... of the meeting, I also feel that a more appropriate place for this would be someplace other than the fire station. I think that's not an impartial place. So I'll throw that out there. And have you considered any other? And you see. |
| 01:53:15.63 | Adam Politzer | That's another question for me. Thank you. There was a lot of discussion on the location. and it was actually my recommendation that we hold it at the fire station, not to create an unbiased location, but we think that it's important that folks see what the fire station looks like. see the equipment in there that's being discussed. And again, take a lot of pride in the work that the community did in actually building it. So we thought there was a lot of opportunities for the people to get a better understanding of what that facility looks like, what it holds, and the people that work in that every day. So we purposely picked that location rather than holding it at the Bay Model or here at City Hall as we've held other meetings. |
| 01:54:03.27 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, but this is not about... It's not about the performance of the fireman. It's about the contract and the way we manage the contract. |
| 01:54:14.49 | Adam Politzer | I don't disagree with that. It's an education tool and we wanted folks to see the station, see the equipment, see the EOC, have the opportunity to see the facility. And in some cases, maybe other than the one time when we had the open house, which is the first time, People were allowed to walk through those facilities. We have limited access to pancake during the pancake breakfasts. It's just an opportunity. to educate people on the resource that we have here. in our community. |
| 01:54:45.93 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, I'll move on. The letter, are you going to discuss the letter at all, or is it time to discuss the letter? The notice. Or to ask questions about the letter? Yes. Okay. In the letter that we received from the Southern Marin Fire District, wait, I guess I have the wrong one. |
| 01:54:55.39 | Unknown | Or to ask questions about the latter? |
| 01:55:10.39 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Yeah, here we go. It indicates that the, as the last part here, The district is not interested, I quote, in continuing a contract for service, nor are we interested in entering into a joint powers agreement of any type. This is very much different from the last time we met with the Southern Marin Fire District, and I asked Chief Irving whether or not the Southern Marin Fire District would be interested in... having a joint or pursuing a joint powers agreement if the residents voted down the annexation and he said yes so my question is why are we receiving this letter what's what's behind it |
| 01:56:12.49 | Charlie Francis | That's a great question for the Chief Executive Officer of the Southern Marin Fire Protection District, Fire Chief Irving to answer. |
| 01:56:27.78 | Jim Irving | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Council Members. The district, after the last meeting and after the recent article was published in the IJ, has had sort of a change of heart, shall we say. As you may or may not know, the district or actually the predecessor of the Southern Marine Fire District Tamalpais Fire District was in a JPA with the city of Mill Valley for 13 years, and that was canceled. So the district doesn't want to put itself in another situation like that. You know, with, to be very blunt, volatility of the council, to be in an agreement with an agency that at any time could, you know, have three votes to cancel a contract. The district doesn't feel that's appropriate. So they're interested in what provides the long-term stability of the fire department. And it's that simple. |
| 01:57:20.82 | Carolyn Ford | OK, then let me ask. with the district, well, it seems to me that, There is, or at least our consultant has said there is some codependency, and that Southern Marine Fire District has benefited from Sausalito as well. Is that not the case? |
| 01:57:45.14 | Jim Irving | That is true. There is an operational codependency. We are a better fire department as two combined fire departments. |
| 01:57:45.15 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:57:50.64 | Carolyn Ford | Right. And we're already operating as emerged. |
| 01:57:54.44 | Jim Irving | That is correct. |
| 01:57:55.77 | Carolyn Ford | organization and you are currently receiving 400k from GGNRA. And... |
| 01:58:05.56 | Jim Irving | The district is not benefiting entirely from that 400,000, as I believe you are aware. |
| 01:58:08.76 | Carolyn Ford | there as |
| 01:58:09.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:11.36 | Jim Irving | A large portion of that money goes for the fire prevention officer, which serves primarily the city of Sausalito. I need to point out that Majority of our fire prevention issues are within the city. So the primary benefit of that position is for the city of Sausalito. What is left over from that is split equally between the two agencies. |
| 01:58:34.06 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. you Thank you. Um... And so this, you consider this to be really in the best interest of SMFD? |
| 01:58:43.19 | Jim Irving | I think in the long-term interest of the fire district, yes. |
| 01:58:46.83 | Carolyn Ford | Mm-hmm. Well, I would ask, did the board consider that the residents may want to give up, may not want to give up control of their fire services and 35% of property taxes? That they still may want a JPA contract that's mutually agreeable financially and that they may be willing to have a long-term agreement? Were any of those items considered in making this decision? |
| 01:59:18.96 | Jim Irving | I think. |
| 01:59:19.39 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 01:59:19.42 | Jim Irving | Right. |
| 01:59:19.44 | Carolyn Ford | Fiddler. |
| 01:59:19.72 | Jim Irving | Ultimately, any type of agreement short of an annexation still is a tentative agreement. and still can be reversed by the city council at any time. |
| 01:59:30.32 | Carolyn Ford | But if it's for 10, 15, 20 years, |
| 01:59:34.22 | Jim Irving | Well, I doubt if it's going to be for 10 or 15, 20 years, without some type of cancellation clause in there that is one to two years. |
| 01:59:43.85 | Carolyn Ford | but you would not be, the board would not be willing to accept a long term agreement without the cancellation |
| 01:59:52.19 | Jim Irving | I think as stated by the board now, they're interested in consolidation. |
| 01:59:56.81 | Carolyn Ford | Or annexation it is. It's not consolidation. Correct. |
| 01:59:57.42 | Jim Irving | it is, it's not consolidation. |
| 02:00:00.73 | Carolyn Ford | No, it's not the same. Well, it's a... Excuse me, would you please explain the difference between annexation and consolidation? |
| 02:00:02.05 | Linda Pfeifer | . |
| 02:00:02.18 | Herb Weiner | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:00:08.29 | Jim Irving | Consolidation is a general or generic term. What we are truly interested in is annexation. |
| 02:00:14.68 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, which would then absorb Sausalito into the Southern Marin Fire District so that Sausalito would lose total control Um, because elections are at large, and you're talking about growing. your organization. You're talking to Corte Madera and other organizations. |
| 02:00:38.88 | Jonathan Leone | Wait, questions, questions. |
| 02:00:40.40 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, so in the end, you know, there is a big difference, wouldn't you say, between consolidation and annexation. |
| 02:00:40.45 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. |
| 02:00:41.52 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:00:49.13 | Jim Irving | Again, consolidation is a general term. Annexation is a specific term. Annexation applies to, yes, you are correct. the city of Sausalito. would be annexed into the fire district. The fire district would be responsible for fire protection in the city of Sausalito. As well, any member of the city of Sausalito, any resident, could run for the fire board. |
| 02:01:12.75 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, indeed. I believe, would you agree with Peter Banning when he said that a consolidation is a merger of two equals? |
| 02:01:23.20 | Jim Irving | That is correct. Under LAFCO consideration, consolidation is a merger of two like agencies. |
| 02:01:29.52 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, so we're not really merging |
| 02:01:29.59 | Jim Irving | Thank you. |
| 02:01:33.54 | Carolyn Ford | on an equal partner basis here would you agree you're you're you are absorbing you Southern marine fire district not you but Southern marine fire district would be absorbing Sausalito |
| 02:01:41.08 | Jim Irving | I know. |
| 02:01:49.20 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:01:49.22 | Jim Irving | That is correct. It's annexing the city of Salt Lake. |
| 02:01:50.18 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. It's annexing the city of Salt Lake. Annexing is the right word. I just wanted to make sure that that was defined. Okay. So that's all my questions. Thank you. |
| 02:02:04.07 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor? |
| 02:02:05.42 | Herb Weiner | I'll just remember the cycle. |
| 02:02:06.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So I think that Council Member Ford brings up several very good questions and very important points, and I have a follow-up question for Chief Irving, if you may. So I, too, was surprised by the recent letter we received in the about face with the district board with respect to looking at the JPA option. And with respect to council members' questions regarding your consideration for the long-term JPA, did it occur to the district... I'm forming my question. Did it occur to the district board the fact that you are entering into a long-term lease for the building built by Sausalito taxpayers, 50 years, right, that why wouldn't the district also see that as, you know, a good faith outreach to the district for long-term GPA relationships? |
| 02:03:14.13 | Jim Irving | I don't understand the question. |
| 02:03:15.41 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, if we are extending, you were saying that it's tenuous and you don't know and everything. And what I'm saying is that I know that you're looking at this 50-year lease of our brand new fire building, right, for the district, correct? |
| 02:03:21.78 | Jim Irving | So. |
| 02:03:22.11 | Linda Pfeifer | with. |
| 02:03:22.20 | Jim Irving | And that's it. |
| 02:03:22.28 | Linda Pfeifer | and, and, |
| 02:03:32.73 | Jim Irving | Well, the district, if we enter into annexation, the district is willing to lease the building. If it doesn't work out between the agencies, the city of Sausilio still needs a fire station. |
| 02:03:45.32 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, so what you're saying is even if the voters dismissed, did not go for annexation, and if the city was looking at a long-term GPA with a long-term lease, you know, with the building, that it still wouldn't, it still would not look attractive to the district? |
| 02:04:08.66 | Linda Pfeifer | Read the letter. Yeah. |
| 02:04:11.32 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm just asking because it's just such an about face. I'm not really understanding your question. I apologize. All right. |
| 02:04:11.34 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm just asking because it's |
| 02:04:13.03 | Jim Irving | That's such a... |
| 02:04:13.72 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:04:13.80 | Jim Irving | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:04:13.89 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:04:13.92 | Jim Irving | Thank you. |
| 02:04:13.95 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:04:13.97 | Jim Irving | I understand your question. I apologize. If the district is providing service through annexation, clearly we would be interested in leasing the building. |
| 02:04:27.08 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Thanks. Thank you. this could go on and on ok at this time any comments from the public John |
| 02:04:47.03 | John Flavin | I'm John Flavin, I'm a resident of Sausalito. I think this letter, I'm only addressing the letter, |
| 02:04:47.74 | Herb Weiner | I'm going to... |
| 02:04:54.27 | John Flavin | I think it says loads about the board and how they negotiate. And I think this is a gun to the head type of negotiation. And always be careful about gun to the head negotiations because the gun may be aimed at you instead of them. this is uh... The time period is very interesting comment. There is no way out of an annexation. There's no prenup, there's no dissolving an annexation once you're into it. So yeah, it's pretty damn permanent. And yes, you can get out if it's not just bad for the district. Not for the city, but for the district. the city What this letter basically does require us is to form our own Plan B. We cannot, the city cannot look to the fire district as a plan B in the event that voters come June 2012 vote no. on the annexation. So you're going to have to go out and find another source for this And that's unfortunate, because I do think that the fire district does a good job. And it's unfortunate that we're into this point where we can't use them. if the annexation is not approved. And I think that's a bad result. I also think that there is a, I did a radio show on this yesterday. And in that radio show I hinted that the joint powers agreement would ultimately be less expensive. Not, as Charlie well points out, not for the city. The city, it's a win-win. But for the property taxpayer, The joint powers agreement can be less expensive. And the tax on the citizens would be less. And I can support that. |
| 02:06:39.70 | Unknown | I'm a citizen. |
| 02:06:45.00 | John Flavin | But... If we go this, and then that was yesterday, and today the joint powers agreement is taken off the table. Mm-hmm. |
| 02:06:52.73 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:06:52.87 | John Flavin | you That gives me some impact as a radio host. Maybe somebody actually listens to my show. |
| 02:06:58.89 | Linda Pfeifer | . |
| 02:07:00.56 | John Flavin | No. |
| 02:07:00.66 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:07:00.70 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, |
| 02:07:00.78 | Herb Weiner | Any other comments from the public? |
| 02:07:00.93 | John Flavin | Thank you. |
| 02:07:00.97 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm not. I'm... |
| 02:07:03.45 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:07:03.48 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:07:06.64 | Jonathan Leone | I'd like to have our consultant address the annexation unwinding issue. Dwayne? Thank you. |
| 02:07:15.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:07:20.64 | Dwayne (Consultant) | Once a district is created or the expansion occurs, you unwind an annexation the same way that you annexed to begin with. You go through a process of application and you go through a public hearing process and you establish a plan for service. How are you going to function afterwards and how are each of the agencies then thereby created going to be financially sustainable. Essentially if they're sustainable at this point they would be sustainable with the de-annexation. |
| 02:07:55.86 | Mike Kelly | So that Dwayne before you step down. |
| 02:07:57.89 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:07:57.92 | Dwayne (Consultant) | Thank you. |
| 02:07:58.04 | Herb Weiner | Council Member Leon, go ahead. |
| 02:07:58.80 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:08:00.05 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. So in the process, it's similar winding versus unwinding, where the real review of LAFCO is both the protest vote from the citizens as part of it, or the residents, as well as LAFCO's sort of saying, this A makes sense, and B, it can financially support itself, whether it's a combined entity or two separate entities if you unwound something. |
| 02:08:10.12 | Unknown | it. |
| 02:08:22.35 | Dwayne (Consultant) | They ask exactly the same questions, go through the same process. |
| 02:08:26.52 | Mike Kelly | And just a quick question about the definition of consolidation versus annexation. My understanding of consolidation is between two like-defined entities. You consolidate districts because we're not a district of fire. District, the district is annexing the territory of Sausalito. Is that a correct interpretation or is there something more complicated than that that we're missing here? Something more devious that we're missing here? |
| 02:08:50.20 | Dwayne (Consultant) | Consolidation under the Latko law means, just as you've described, consolidation as we've been using it in the general discussion is as Chief Irving has been saying, it's simply bringing the two organizations together. the the legal form in which you bring in which you consolidate may be a contract for service, a JPA, an annexation, And so the way in which we've been using the term, it's generic. |
| 02:09:17.62 | Jim Gabbard | been. |
| 02:09:20.56 | Dwayne (Consultant) | The way LAFCO uses the term, it's a consolidation of like two districts. And that kind of LAFCO consolidation is not occurring here and cannot occur here. |
| 02:09:31.86 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor. |
| 02:09:33.16 | Dwayne (Consultant) | Go ahead. |
| 02:09:36.06 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, would you agree with Peter Banning's definition of a consolidation versus an annexation, which is that a consolidation, as you mentioned, is two like entities that when they form, there's a partnership. of those entities. And annexation is an absorption of one entity. of the other entity, and as such forms an overall district. and he further stated that how those are governed and how much influence and control. one has overdose depends on the the and whether it's a consolidation or an annexation. And that's totally clear to me. |
| 02:10:36.95 | Dwayne (Consultant) | And it's, I think I would use somewhat different language. |
| 02:10:42.74 | Carolyn Ford | Well, OK. |
| 02:10:43.67 | Dwayne (Consultant) | It can be. |
| 02:10:44.05 | Carolyn Ford | and |
| 02:10:44.51 | Dwayne (Consultant) | A consolidation, to illustrate, is where you have two districts They come together to form one single larger district. the form of governance within that district is specified at the time of consolidation. It would typically be either district or at-large. And annexation is where you have Oh. One. agency. absorbing another, and it normally occurs where you have a district absorbing as in this case a portion of a city. |
| 02:11:20.06 | Carolyn Ford | Right. Okay. And with different governance, in other words, with board of directors elected at large. |
| 02:11:32.06 | Dwayne (Consultant) | Not necessarily. Whether they're at large or by district, they can go off and figure that out separately. I've seen districts change from at-large to district election. The governance under consolidation and the governance under annexation is virtually identical. |
| 02:11:53.44 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, let me be more specific then. Let's talk about this specific case. We, Sausalito, when we are absorbed by Southern Marin Fire District, will have the opportunity to elect Board members. only at large, not our own board members, but only as part of that district. Thank you. at large. |
| 02:12:21.66 | Dwayne (Consultant) | That is true now. Once the annexation occurs, if the district wants to pursue going from at-large to district elections, I presume they could do so. But But for now, the annexation would occur under the current under the current rules, which is at-large elections. |
| 02:12:43.16 | Carolyn Ford | So is there an opportunity then, you've just raised another question in my mind, for Sausalito to specify that and make it part of the agreement that we would require that they change to... representation by district, by area, rather than at large? Can that be made part of our agreement for the annexation? |
| 02:13:14.17 | Dwayne (Consultant) | As I recall, I think the council asked that question of Peter Banning, and if I recall his answer, it was no, you could not. |
| 02:13:21.11 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:13:23.20 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:13:23.22 | Dwayne (Consultant) | Okay. |
| 02:13:23.56 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:13:23.59 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:13:24.47 | Jonathan Leone | I just want to be abundantly clear about this consolidation issue. If you had a district that had 7,500 people, a district that had 22,500 people. And they merge. And they had a seven-member board. and it was at large, it would be no different than the annexation we're talking about here. |
| 02:13:42.62 | Jeff Shurash | That is correct. |
| 02:13:43.22 | Jonathan Leone | The only difference would be the two entities are not light. |
| 02:13:46.07 | Jeff Shurash | That is correct. |
| 02:13:46.88 | Jonathan Leone | I agree with her. |
| 02:13:51.74 | Adam Politzer | I just wanted to go back to the community forum date of September 8th |
| 02:13:52.11 | Carolyn Ford | to the |
| 02:13:52.19 | Jeff Shurash | Yeah. |
| 02:13:52.31 | Carolyn Ford | it to |
| 02:13:57.93 | Adam Politzer | Councilmember Forge requests of September 10th Our administrative services director Charlie Francis came over during the presentation and reminded me that there was a conflict with a number of staff and consultants for that date of the 10th. There is no magic in that date. We were just trying to achieve the council direction of meeting prior to the 13th. If the Council, the forums are an educational piece, for the community and if the Council gives direction to hold those forums, at a date later than the 13th. they can also give us that direction. |
| 02:14:35.24 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. Yeah, I can do that. |
| 02:14:36.86 | Herb Weiner | Vice Mayor Kelly, go ahead. |
| 02:14:39.24 | Jonathan Leone | How about the 17th then? |
| 02:14:44.29 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:14:45.62 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:14:45.64 | Adam Politzer | Is that a Saturday? We need to get back together with everyone at this point. I'm not proud of the agenda either. Of a future date, I'm hearing that Councilmember Ford is requesting a Saturday. If that is appropriate by the rest of the council would like to accommodate that request, then we can obviously look at a Saturday as soon as the 17th of September. |
| 02:14:45.67 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:14:45.69 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:14:45.76 | Jonathan Leone | Is that a Saturday? |
| 02:14:46.82 | Linda Pfeifer | back together with everyone at this point. |
| 02:14:48.86 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 02:14:48.93 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:14:49.03 | Jonathan Leone | Good. |
| 02:14:49.50 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:14:49.52 | Jonathan Leone | I'm not available to the 10th either. Of the future. |
| 02:14:52.79 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:14:58.46 | Linda Pfeifer | I'll free it. the rest of the Okay. |
| 02:15:04.86 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:15:04.96 | Linda Pfeifer | this Saturday. |
| 02:15:05.80 | Chris Gallagher | Thank you. |
| 02:15:10.32 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 02:15:10.86 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Thank you. Duane, I have just one quick question for you. |
| 02:15:12.52 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:15:16.37 | Herb Weiner | Explain to me mutual aid. |
| 02:15:21.24 | Herb Weiner | And what it really means |
| 02:15:22.04 | Dwayne (Consultant) | change. There are series in California of what we call mutual aid agreements between fire agencies. Essentially what that means is if you've got a fire or an emergency situation that your particular fire department is too large for you to handle or you're handling a big one over here and another one occurs simultaneously, uh, Fire resources from your neighbors will be dispatched to assist in those situations. And that interlocking arrangement is pretty true throughout California. Mutual aid is not simply with your direct neighbor. Mutual aid agreements may be countywide, they may be regionwide. So depending on how large it is, the resources are brought in under the mutual aid agreements. |
| 02:16:17.15 | Mike Kelly | It's not a replacement for providing your own level of service. |
| 02:16:21.27 | Dwayne (Consultant) | No, one of the key things about mutual aid is that we keep emphasizing it means mutual. that if you have a a little bitty operation over here that has and there are some in California with one or two firefighters in a single firehouse And every time there's a call comes, the neighbor's got to come over but the little guys never go over there, that's not mutual aid. And pretty soon the big guys start saying, well, who's going to pay for these resources because we're half your fire department. So mutual aid really means mutual, and it doesn't mean that this happens four times a day. |
| 02:17:06.95 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. And in your opinion, knowing the terrain in Sausalito, you would feel that mutual aid is a must. |
| 02:17:18.29 | Dwayne (Consultant) | Well, it's not only a must because of your terrain and your location, but you have a single firehouse with... a staff of five on duty. And I think as Stu Gary has described, you know, any large multi-auto accident with multiple injuries will require more than what you have any fire Any residential fire is going to require 13 to 15 firefighters on scene within eight plus or minus minutes to contain that fire. |
| 02:17:54.62 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Thank you, join. Okay. |
| 02:17:58.43 | Jonathan Leone | I'm with you. |
| 02:17:59.08 | Herb Weiner | At this time, do you have any public comment? |
| 02:18:05.17 | Herb Weiner | And just state your name, please. |
| 02:18:11.44 | Josh McHugh | Josh McHugh, Association President with the Southern Marin Firefighters. And I represent the firefighters for Southern Maryland. When I think of Southern Maryland, it's not just the district, but it's also the employees. And we've been at this now for a long time, times it feels like forever. But This is a very high caliber organization and the men and women that work in this organization have nothing but the service to both the city and the district as paramount concern at all times and while doing that also being fiscally responsible. And I've been sitting in consolidation meetings now for six, seven years and with a lot of you folks and staff and council members and and we really want what's best for everyone and we truly, truly believe that annexing the city into the district accomplishes that. And to be perfectly blunt, anything less than that, I believe would be devastating, not just to the fire service in Southern Marin and Sausalito, but I think towards basically greater county consolidation, which I believe is the wave of the future. I'm always available for any of your comments, your questions. I've led myself to be available and I will continue to do that. If I truly want you to believe that the firefighters believe in this very, very deeply. And it's, you know, with everybody's best interest and concern. And thank you for your time. |
| 02:19:42.22 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Anyone else, please? Okay, let's bring it back up here. Any comments? Okay, I'd like to make one comment. Yeah, go ahead. Okay, and I will, you know, and I also think it's have to be blunt. There's no question that we do have a... |
| 02:19:49.94 | Josh McHugh | one comment. |
| 02:19:50.97 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:19:53.54 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:20:01.42 | Herb Weiner | a mixed view up here of opinions. But I will tell you, you know, I've been in the people business for 47 years. And when I hear this word control, and what control Control means to me that You basically are doing all the facets when you're in the people business. and This isn't what I define as control. control of what control of the schedule of the firemen We don't have that. We don't do that. Number one. Number two, especially in the people business, the biggest headaches you have in the people business is your force, your overtime, your workman's comp, your pensions, And in the people business, those are headaches. And if you want to have control of those headaches, you are definitely going in the wrong direction. And as far as I look at it is, |
| 02:21:04.23 | Linda Pfeifer | All right. |
| 02:21:05.59 | Herb Weiner | It's just common sense. and that isn't being applied by some of our council people up here, in my opinion. Okay. |
| 02:21:15.28 | Jonathan Leone | Let me say a few things here. First of all, the IJ got it right in their column that they printed about a week ago or so. And they got it right about the control. We have no control over our expenses now. Jim Irving went crazy tomorrow morning and decided to buy two new fire trucks or whatever and put it in our budget and bill us for half of it. We'd have to pay. We have one way out of that. We can quit. We can quit. That's the only way out of it. And we have no control over that. Now, Jim might run into a budgetary problem of his own in his district, But he can sock it to Sausalito. And now he hasn't done that. He's done exactly the opposite. They've run a very lean, clean ship. In fact, the costs have dropped rather than rise over time. especially when adjusted for inflation. And so we have no control. I.J. said it. You got no control now. You actually get some control by annexing. You actually get to put, if you wanted, seven people on the board. Thank you. You could put seven people on the board. You can go out and run a campaign and put people on that district board. And knowing the political difference between Sausalito and Strawberry at large Bye. I can tell you I bet my money on Sausalito every day of the week. But I don't think that's really the question. The question is what kind of service are we going to get for our community and at what kind of savings to both the district to the taxpayers, to Sausalito, And it's immense. Anybody who studies the numbers carefully, and I've had various people in this group and met with them, with Charlie, going over the numbers, and the numbers are the numbers are the numbers. You can't dispute the numbers. They're there in black and white. So we will save an enormous amount of money as a community. Southern Marin will save. Our firefighters get an opportunity to be a part of a larger organization and themselves move up the ladder, compete, and so on. And we save a lot of money. So having said that, the... The JPA refusal came a long time ago. I walked into the city hall in 2006 after about seven or eight meetings, or more than that, probably two years of meetings, and there was a letter waiting for me from the then head of the board telling me all bets are off. We're done with you. We don't think you're serious, and we're canceling right now, and we don't want your business. We don't want to be anything but a, quote, consolidated annexed agency. |
| 02:23:36.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:43.46 | Jonathan Leone | And we struggled mightily to get that person back on board and get ourselves in gear and start the process all over again. That was about 2006, I think. So it's been in the wind all along that the district really isn't happy with anything but a full annexation. The JPA is less expensive. That's not true. You have no control over the decisions. I just pointed that out. And cost increases. The only thing we could do under a JPA with cost increases is quit. So taking a long-term agreement would be the worst thing you could possibly do under a JPA. You wouldn't even have the ability to get out. if they were gouging us. So it's just not in the cards. So that's my comment. |
| 02:24:25.55 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor? |
| 02:24:26.69 | Jeff Shurash | GO HAND. |
| 02:24:28.01 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, you opened your comments with the statement that you, or you ended your comments with the statement that you didn't believe that common sense was being applied by some council members. I would ask you to refrain from personal attacks. We have a minority opinion on this council, and I understand you may not agree with the minority opinion, but you should respect it. Thank you. |
| 02:24:39.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:24:39.16 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm not. |
| 02:24:39.55 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:24:56.48 | Jonathan Leone | Should we make a motion? Thank you. |
| 02:24:57.71 | Carolyn Ford | I have a comment. |
| 02:24:57.90 | Jonathan Leone | Go ahead. |
| 02:25:03.04 | Carolyn Ford | Well, first of all, there are a couple of things that have been said on the dais that simply aren't correct in my view. This is a loss for residents. It may be a win for the city. Yes, because we'll have 600K in our General Fund. But who's putting it there? the residents. What are the residents losing? They're losing. control of their fire services and essential fire service. essential service that cities incorporate to get control over Now, yes, the firemen are doing a great job. I personally have benefited from the firemen and their responses. So there is no question that the firemen are doing a good job and that the residents are pleased with the service. But I do not, as a resident, want to give up. control of this essential service control of 35% of our property taxes, and control of taxation because, yes, we will have a voice, maybe. It depends. It depends on how large the district becomes. It depends on whether or not the directors are elected at large. if The directors continue to be elected at large and the fire district, does not remain static, they grow, which is their stated goal. They are talking to Corte Madera and other agencies, it's a goal. then Sausalito, as a small town, is not going to be able to elect directors for that board. We're a population of 7,500. Maybe 5,000 people would vote. Probably not. You look at Corte Madera and the other people, they're much, much larger. So we would not have a voice on the board. is my concern. I believe that this whole annexation issue is labor-driven I believe that as and I also believe that the southern Marin Fire District Board is has recognized that it ensures protection of pension benefits and unions are powerful enough to elect candidates who support their positions we need to be fair to all, and right now this is not fair to the residents. When employees can elect the people who make the decisions or unelect those that don't agree with them, that's wrong. So I would say that what we need to do is, as a city, we need to develop a Plan B. We have to develop a plan B. If the residents reject this, we will need a plan B. And we have no assurance that the residents are going to accept it. |
| 02:28:32.80 | Herb Weiner | them. |
| 02:28:33.19 | Linda Pfeifer | Good, but I'll... |
| 02:28:33.64 | Herb Weiner | Just one clarification. It was said that 35% of our budget would, property tax would go. What is it now? Can I ask the, Charlie? Charlie? |
| 02:28:49.89 | Herb Weiner | Just for clarification. |
| 02:28:51.92 | Charlie Francis | It's not an easy answer. Right now the city receives 25 cents on every dollar in property tax. And that's what we get based on the Prop 13 distribution. When under the current financing arrangements that have been proposed and the LAFCO applications are based on, then of that 25 cents, we would take, I can't remember the exact amount, I think it was 10 cents of the 25 cents would go to the district and the remaining 15 cents stays with the Thank you. |
| 02:29:32.65 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:29:33.95 | Charlie Francis | but I can provide the council the exact numbers. |
| 02:29:37.46 | Herb Weiner | That's fine. That's fine. |
| 02:29:39.64 | Jonathan Leone | you The question was asked, we have to have a, or the suggestion was made, we have to have a plan B We have a Plan B. It's a standalone, fire department that costs the city $1.5 million out of external funds. |
| 02:29:57.61 | Herb Weiner | And I might add, that still would include, and like I mentioned to everybody, and I don't think everybody realizes it, the overtime, can really escalate. You have one fireman or one fireperson out, you have to fill in, that person has to take extra hours, you'll see it going to a lot of money, and these are headaches. These are headaches. What are we controlling? You're controlling what? Workman's car? Who wants to control that? you're going to control overtime? Who wants to control that? Pensions, those are the headaches in a business. Smart business people get rid of the headaches. For what? For control of what? You don't even want to schedule. It's very frustrating for me to be up here very honestly because you I don't have people that have skills in the people business around me up here. whether you like it or you don't. |
| 02:31:02.95 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor. |
| 02:31:03.19 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:31:04.05 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:31:04.86 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:31:04.88 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 02:31:05.01 | Carolyn Ford | So it just, |
| 02:31:05.38 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. |
| 02:31:05.40 | Herb Weiner | Okay, yeah. |
| 02:31:05.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:31:06.01 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:31:08.05 | Jonathan Leone | Let me make a motion. A motion to the City Council direct staff to send notice of intention to file an application for annexation to the Southern Marin Fire Protection District by expanding the district boundary to include the City of Sausalito. |
| 02:31:22.27 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, I'll second that, but let me get my chance to give it two cents. And not to repeat or delve into this, but so as someone who sat through the council meetings as an audience member, you know, in 2001, 2003, and getting into four, discussing this, and I was not a huge fan of the concept, largely for the emotional, reasons that Councilmember Ford and Pfeiffer are expressing the sort of control or having your own city identity tied to a fire department. And the relationship, I think, wandered around and was perilous for both parties for a number of years because people were afraid of making the hard decisions and taking the firm actions of, you know, are you getting married or are you breaking up? And what you, having gotten stuck, on the negotiating committee for five years, because I didn't volunteer for it, is what you realize is that this is a highly regulated occupation. It's a highly rule-driven and work rule-driven department that you cannot control at this local level. It's safety rule driven at state level. And the pension problems that Herb mentioned are also driven at the state level by and large. There are not things you can control those aspects of it. Um, And frankly, you don't want lay people controlling those things because they don't know, say, in the case of fire safety rules, not on the pension side, but on the fire safety rules, you don't want someone who doesn't know what they're doing drafting up work rules for firemen or how many people should ride on a truck or how many hours they can work consecutively. So what you find is it's a very regulated business for probably more or less good reasons. Having also been on the Governance Committee for five years, or this negotiating committee, resolve this earlier dissolution of the contract for services, which is where I got sort of suckered into it. is that the district has been clear, the firefighters have been clear, And frankly, the city council over the last... page. plus years has been clear that the direction has been towards becoming one entity of some kind or another. So there is no real about-face. I think what the district I can't speak for them, but did is finally say, well, here's our opinion. We want you to make sure that you understand where we're coming from. and sent this letter, which is good to know. And nor do I view it as gun to the head. I think they're just stating their position. They're negotiating on their behalf, and they're $100. telling you what deal they will live with. And they've told us all the way along that they don't want a JPA. |
| 02:34:10.97 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 02:34:12.85 | Mike Kelly | They don't want a contract for service. and that what they want to do is to be a consolidated entity. And there's nothing wrong with that. I don't think they should feel guilty about that. That's what they felt is appropriate. |
| 02:34:18.48 | Unknown | to the next one. |
| 02:34:24.44 | Mike Kelly | Now, the drivers for this were really set in place when the whole system was put in place years ago. And once it's sort of a – once you get engaged, you kind of set the path before you. because the city wanted to try and save money. And the firefighters wanted to have more job opportunities and have a better staff fire department. and provide a more higher level of service by having a bigger group where people could specialize. And people could do more and back each other up. And you have a larger pool of firefighters who could specialize in different things, whether it's water rescue, whether it's uh, having someone inspect buildings, all kinds of things. So the net where we are today is that you can't unwind that. And it's not in the citizens or residents of Sausalito or the business owners or anyone else to create a standalone fire. entity at this point. because it's A much more expensive, and B probably couldn't provide the same level of service. And that's not in anyone's best interest. So the degree of control I understand it from an emotional standpoint. But it really, and the reality is there's not much control. because it's a business where lay people um, And certainly at Council, we can't control the fire department. We couldn't control the old fire department. The city manager has some power to do so, but we don't hire or fire anybody except for the city manager and the city attorney. So the reality is we do need a plan B because we, and that would be, as Mike said, a standalone fire entity, and it's going to cost a lot more money. We'll just have to plan for that, and that will require drastic cuts to other services or a new form of revenue. if you wanted to go that route. because you can't find million and a half dollars I don't have it. You got it? I don't have it. So we're going to have to find it somewhere else if we want to go that route. the public will have its chance to weigh in in a variety of forms, including the LabCO process. So, I think this is the wisest decision for the level of service provided to anyone who exists in Sausalito in any form or another, and it's the most economical decision for anyone who has to pay taxes or bear the cost of providing public safety. |
| 02:36:45.45 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor. well I need to respond to a couple of things this is not an emotional decision on my part and the council has not always been in favor of this and certainly not over the last eight years in fact councilmember Leon was not in favor of this until recently the residents have not |
| 02:37:11.77 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Thank you for telling me my opinion. |
| 02:37:12.35 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:37:14.10 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 02:37:14.12 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:37:14.20 | Carolyn Ford | I have a little bit of mail for that. |
| 02:37:14.22 | Linda Pfeifer | Point of order, please. |
| 02:37:16.85 | Carolyn Ford | I... |
| 02:37:17.31 | Mike Kelly | point. |
| 02:37:19.74 | Carolyn Ford | I had the floor, so I have an email from you. Anyway, saying that. Residents have never been asked. |
| 02:37:29.31 | Mike Kelly | I was indicted just two minutes ago that I was not in favor of it when I became a council member. So you're not, this is something that you didn't, did you pop some? Mr. Mayor? Yeah, the council hadn't voted on it at the time. |
| 02:37:29.34 | Carolyn Ford | I was thinking it earlier. Point in order. So you're not, this is something that you didn't, did you pop some? Mr. Mayor? Mr. Mayor, point of order, I have the floor. |
| 02:37:40.04 | Adam Politzer | of order. I have deplored. Excuse me. Finish. |
| 02:37:43.94 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, so the council, my point is, the council has not been in favor of this unanimously over the last eight years as was stated. So that is the case. Residents have never been asked whether or not they were in favor of it. We have, this city has simply charged ahead with this annexation without asking the residents and that's wrong. Um, And Going back to a stand-alone fire department is not our only action. We can look to other contracts and I have the floor, point of order. We can look to other contracts and explore those and proceed in that way. So, and in terms of who's better qualified to manage this, whether it's Our board, our council or their board No one. operates, gets down to the operations level. No board gets down to the operations level. The firemen do that. The chief does that, and the firemen. And in terms of the pension problem, That's not controlled at the state level. That's controlled right here, and we have one pension we can resolve pension issues at this level that should be resolved at this level. And one of them is that the fireman, the city pays for the employee's portion of the fireman's benefits See, only employee portion that the city pays for. We do not pay for the police. We do not pay for the other employees, but we do pay for the firemen. That can be corrected right now, and that can save the city 127,000 a year. That is fair. It needs to be fair across the board. Yes, we need to negotiate with the firemen, but we need to also be fair. So the city can and will. |
| 02:39:56.93 | Linda Pfeifer | Can and will. |
| 02:39:58.78 | Carolyn Ford | No. |
| 02:39:59.66 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. No. Mr. Mayor, I am entitled to a rebuttal. |
| 02:40:00.39 | Carolyn Ford | No. |
| 02:40:03.93 | Carolyn Ford | Go ahead. You have three minutes. That's good. |
| 02:40:07.34 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:40:07.63 | Carolyn Ford | with the |
| 02:40:07.90 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, you again ended one of your comments with, I don't have people up here who have skills in the people business. Again, please refrain from additional personal attacks. We have minority opinions and we're entitled to them. Secondly, I heard a standalone fire department mentioned as a Plan B. That is not a Plan B, that is a Plan F. |
| 02:40:09.80 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:40:34.19 | Linda Pfeifer | A plan B Plan B is, I mean, just last month at MCCMC, or no, it was at Kate Sears swearing in. I talked to someone from Tiburon, a council member who said that they were looking at possibilities. I talked to someone at Corte Madera. They are looking at possibilities. I talked to someone at Larkspur. They are exploring opportunities. Why aren't we talking to these people? |
| 02:41:00.36 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:41:01.39 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:41:01.41 | Mike Kelly | We have already. |
| 02:41:01.86 | Linda Pfeifer | No, no, I, listen, there's, Excuse me, finish this thing. |
| 02:41:06.69 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. And Amen. |
| 02:41:08.33 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, I'm trying to. I've been interrupted by two different council members. And so finally, I'm also very concerned about the potential risk to taxpayers, actually the high risk to taxpayers, regarding pension costs with this proposed annexation. And as regarding moving forward, I would just end that we need to look at the Plan B, and we need to make a concerted effort to really get serious about Plan B, especially in line of this letter. |
| 02:41:40.88 | Jonathan Leone | Motion. |
| 02:41:43.38 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, just for clarity, we talk to every entity in Southern Moran. This is getting a little crazy. |
| 02:41:48.54 | Jonathan Leone | See you. Oh, smoke. That's all right. The facts go away. We got to vote. |
| 02:41:50.65 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. We got a vote here. We don't have a lot of options. |
| 02:41:52.40 | Jonathan Leone | We don't have a lot of options. I'll pay you to smoke. Before we, did you second? Yeah, I just second. Okay. Before we vote, one thing I would like to ask staff to do, I guess you guys, whoever drafted the letter, the notice and intention to file letter, I would like to boil that down better, take it out and get some of the stuff out of here. Just because it's going to other agencies, I don't think we have to air all of our laundry here. So can we get it on one page? |
| 02:41:56.05 | Mike Kelly | Yeah, I just said. |
| 02:42:22.49 | Jonathan Leone | And, and, um, Thank you. |
| 02:42:24.11 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:42:24.64 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:42:24.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:42:24.67 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:42:24.68 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 02:42:24.74 | Jonathan Leone | This is a 6B. |
| 02:42:26.81 | Mike Kelly | Ooh. page |
| 02:42:27.72 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:42:27.74 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 02:42:27.88 | Jonathan Leone | page 4. It just goes on and it talks about the partnership we have, blah, blah, blah. I don't think we have to do that. I'd like to have it be very, very formal to match the application. Just an announcement. |
| 02:42:27.94 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 02:42:41.51 | Jonathan Leone | Having said that, I'll leave it to staff to figure out |
| 02:42:42.42 | Herb Weiner | to figure that out. Thank you. Thank you. You had a second? |
| 02:42:45.90 | Mike Kelly | I'll accept Vice Mayor Kelly's amendment. |
| 02:42:50.20 | Herb Weiner | I think All in favor. |
| 02:42:52.28 | Mike Kelly | All right. |
| 02:42:52.78 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:42:52.80 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:42:52.92 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:42:52.97 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Opposed? |
| 02:42:54.92 | Herb Weiner | No. |
| 02:42:55.01 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:42:55.08 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:42:55.33 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 02:42:55.35 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:42:55.38 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:42:55.52 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:42:57.15 | Herb Weiner | from the change. Okay. you Go ahead, take a break. BAC meeting, BA Business Advisory Status Report. Jeremy Graves. |
| 02:43:16.32 | Herb Weiner | Mayor, we're taking a break. We're going through it. |
| 02:43:16.34 | Jim Irving | THE END OF |
| 02:43:16.83 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 02:43:22.67 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Can you speak to Linda? |
| 02:43:25.72 | Unknown | Mayor, members of council, I'll be presenting the status report on the economic development study and the commercial property database by the business advisory committee. In June of last year, the council authorized the city manager to enter into a contract with the Marine Economic Forum for the preparation of an economic development study. In June of last month, notification postcards were sent out to all the postal customers within the city limits regarding an online survey that was being conducted as part of the economic development study. On the 14th of this month, the Business Advisory Committee considered comments that they had provided on the study prepared by Dr. Eiler. Dr. Eiler-Franco. |
| 02:43:50.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:57.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:57.02 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 02:43:57.26 | Unknown | City. |
| 02:44:18.95 | Jonathan Leone | Dr. Eiler. Wait a minute, we just lost our... Herb. |
| 02:44:22.96 | Mike Kelly | Hold on one second. Thank you. |
| 02:44:25.36 | Jonathan Leone | We just lost our |
| 02:44:26.03 | Mike Kelly | I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Herb, you have to stay in the room. Thank you. |
| 02:44:28.87 | Linda Pfeifer | Exactly. |
| 02:44:55.50 | Herb Weiner | You will when I clean them up. Thank you. |
| 02:44:57.69 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 02:44:57.73 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. I'm sorry. Go ahead. the common sense wins one out |
| 02:45:04.42 | Unknown | So at the Business Advisory Committee's meeting earlier this month, they discussed the comments that they had provided on Dr. Adler's study and gave him direction to make some revisions. He is in the process of making those revisions, and early next month we'll be releasing a public review document of the economic development report for public comment. That'll be a 30-day public comment period. At the conclusion of that 30-day public comment period, Dr. Iler will provide responses to the comments that have been submitted and revise the document accordingly. Following that, a final document will be presented to the City Council for your consideration, as well as the responses provided to the comments received by Dr. Eiler. On a separate track, we have a subcommittee of the Business Advisory Committee. The subcommittee's members are Eckhart Nowak, Peter Van Meter, Jeff Shiraasch, and citizen volunteer John Cox. They have assembled an inventory of commercial properties within the city, and Eckhart Nowak will be providing the findings of his study. This is an informational presentation and no action is necessary by the Council. |
| 02:46:28.46 | Eckhart Nowak | Thank you. So back in December, Mayor, Council, citizens. Back in December last year, as part of the BAC working in cooperation with Robert Eiler and the city and the chamber, we ran a subcommittee to complete phase one of the short-term business study. A lot of this is going to be in much more detail in Dr. Eiler's forthcoming study, but um, And I just want to stress that this is not a report card or a statement of what's being worked on right now or what priorities are being worked on because obviously earlier we saw a lot of really good information on the America's Cup and a few other things. But these are really the conclusions are really just a part of the scope of work that was requested in this study in which we did. A real brief summary on the On the first two parts I presented back in March, we broke this thing up into three sections. Number one was retail and restaurant space. Number two was office and design space. And number three was industrial space, including marine. That doesn't really coincide with the marine land use inventory that was just completed by the city, which was a really great detailed document. It has a ton of information in it. Um, which is why we waited to complete the Section 3 of that. But we had not categorized these back in December. We really didn't have any guidance from Dr. Eiler or from this report on how to break this up. So our categories end up being a little different than than what's forthcoming in the Isla Report as well as the Marinship Report, which I know is a word and it's tough to say around here. But real quick summary, the retail survey, when we – When we looked at the 241 spaces downtown, we had a vacancy rate of 7.5%, and then there was four properties deemed special circumstances, essentially giving us a rate of 5.4%. That category is really market-driven and is keeping up with demand and is certainly doing better than the rest of the county. Quick summary on the office design survey. Once again, Marin County, we're doing better than Marin County, both in occupancy and price. That being said, there's an oversupply of Class A space and we don't need any more Class A office buildings in this town whatsoever. Also, what we found in that category is that design and creative space is doing much better and really could prove to be a niche market for Sausalito. Which brings us to the industrial and marine space. So to complete that survey, we waited for that Marin ship land use and business inventory. That document provides a really good inventory of the industrial space as well as the as the vast majority of the industrial space is in the marineship, not all of it, Almost all of it. We used that documents, interviewed people as well as our own physical survey. That marineship inventory, like I said, does a good job of breaking down the various office uses, art uses, industrial uses further, which is a little different than what we had done this original survey. Obviously applied arts and the art spaces aren't really industrial, but they fit into that category pretty nicely down there. |
| 02:50:06.76 | Eckhart Nowak | In addition to our report, I know that the Dr. Eiler report, I believe he's also going to include some dock space and marina space in his analysis. So this category pushed a lot of people's buttons, but you can't really do it without addressing the marineship. The conclusions, keeping this very brief, the conclusions that we found is that the current mix within the industrial space has promised and should be maintained. |
| 02:50:23.89 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:50:23.93 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:50:32.44 | Eckhart Nowak | but there is a potential for higher quality and some increase in industrial and marine uses down there as well as there is some, certainly some underutilized waterfront property. I referenced the WAM report later because the WAM report goes into much more detail on different schemes and what it actually is there and what the potential of that is. And there's between page 50 and 63, there's 13 pages of references on recommendations and I wasn't going to put these on here. But going on to the second Second thing, and I'm happy to say and acknowledge that the city is working on the infrastructure down there to some extent, Down in the Marinship, the infrastructure needs to be addressed now. The city is going to lose important quality businesses when in the Marinship if nothing is done. There's a lot of tax base. I mean, you can talk about heat ceramics and other businesses that sooner or later are going to pack up and go. And what percentage? of income that is from the tax base and the sales tax, I'm not quite sure of, but certainly needs to be addressed. I should have put number four where number three is, where at this point in time, the cooperation between the city and the private sector for improvements could benefit the city as well as the business community, because certainly the marineship needs a cooperative between the property owners and the city. and doing nothing. is not gonna work. The businesses are having a really hard time functioning there. I did put in here the impact of America's Cup 2013. I think you've heard enough about that tonight, or enough just to scare the hell out of you. But... Because it does me. But, you know, I think it's... Yeah. Yeah, well, I don't need to talk about that. It was really well done by Heidi, by the way. Um, You know, the current marineship land use policies have resulted, we say underground land uses, and the practice short changes the city and is not a community's best interest. you know, manipulating use permits and putting things in that aren't supposed to be there and stuff. I mean, the whole thing, part of this inventory is I'm sure to sort that out and that is a planning department in the city problem and potential to increase our tax basis and to get, you know, proper use of the space. And then back to number six, I mean, I look at the work done in the WAM report. I know nobody agrees with everything in it, but I start doing this, and then I start reading that, and I feel humbled. by the thousands of hours and When we look at the recommendations, I mean, We really need to pull this document back up and look at it. It was two years of work and I think There's no way that you can't recognize that a lot of that stuff, especially regarding the MarinShip, is really relevant today. Once again, a detailed, more specific overview of the business mix and economic potential is coming on the economic report from Dr. Eiler. And that's it. I'll keep it brief because I know you guys have had a heck of a night. Thank you. Thank you, Wacken. |
| 02:53:45.66 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Eddie. Thank you. |
| 02:53:47.84 | Linda Pfeifer | questions. |
| 02:53:49.66 | Herb Weiner | Do we have any questions at this time here? Adam? That Adam. |
| 02:53:54.72 | Linda Pfeifer | the |
| 02:54:02.47 | Adam Politzer | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, distinguished council members. I would like to build on this previous presentation by saying that we analyzed floor space and analyzed offices, industrial spaces and commercial spaces. through the subcommittee, through the business advisory committee, but we did not analyze land, how the land is being used. And the Waterfront and Marineship Committee did. And they found that 24% of the land is either underutilized or not used at all. This is prime property. It's a question of managing an asset. We believe that we always should think of our buildable flat land as a potential asset for the future. How we use it is going to represent potential welfare to the community or income to the city coffers. So I would like to call the distinguished council's attention to the fact that according to this impartial study of a committee, 24% of the area associated with the waterfront and the Marineship District is regarded as underutilized. And that's something to think about for the future. Thank you. |
| 02:55:49.12 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Adam. Anybody else at this time? Okay. Bring it back up here for any comment. Any comment? |
| 02:56:00.98 | Mike Kelly | I'd just like to thank Eckhart and others who worked on this. Eckhart, thank you for the delivery. I think your common sense approach to things comes through in how you discuss things, and you're impartial. Even being in the business, you've risen above what may be in some self-interest in promoting things and just giving it the what's what, and that's very much appreciated. |
| 02:56:02.55 | Herb Weiner | and others. |
| 02:56:03.11 | Linda Pfeifer | who worked on this. |
| 02:56:28.08 | Carolyn Ford | I would echo that. Thank you. Thank you very much for putting the work in, you and your team. I see Jeff sitting there behind you and I know that Peter Van Meter and Joan Cox were involved. So thank you very much. It's always great to see. |
| 02:56:45.01 | Herb Weiner | Great to see you. |
| 02:56:47.54 | Carolyn Ford | John Cox. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, John. Did I say? Okay. Anyway, thank you all. very much for your work and I do have some reservations but I think those will be in terms of how we proceed and some comments but I think I'll save them for when dr. Iler makes his report and we get into this a little bit more but the work you did was great thank you |
| 02:57:17.15 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor. TODAY. |
| 02:57:18.45 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:57:18.67 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Yes, I want to say thank you very much to Eckert and Joe and Chris and John and |
| 02:57:19.68 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 02:57:26.01 | Linda Pfeifer | Adam and the whole team and Jeff just really did a wonderful job on this. And I too had several questions for Dr. Eiler regarding the online survey as well that I had sent to city staff that has been forwarded to Dr. Eiler. you know hang on until I hear back from him on that. Thank you very much for your hard |
| 02:57:53.28 | Herb Weiner | Okay. And I want to thank Chris Gallagher for setting the foundation for the WAM committee because that was the foundation of which all of this committee really uses as a jumping point. So thank you. Okay. City Manager's report. |
| 02:58:15.56 | Adam Politzer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor and City Councilmembers. Very brief. It's just going to be around our city librarian. We had a very fun event on Friday to celebrate Mary Richardson's 32 years of service for the city, well attended, excellent presentations from the friends, the Board of Trustees, and the Foundation, and some nice words from staff members that had an opportunity to work with her, even the one that couldn't remember 21 years working with her and Steve Willis' comments, which were all tongue-in-cheek. |
| 02:58:53.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:58:53.65 | Linda Pfeifer | I am. |
| 02:58:57.27 | Adam Politzer | But I know that Mary appreciated the comments from the community that evening. As we move forward, it's nice to know that the doors opened on Monday at the library and the staff showed up and they knew what to do and the people came and attended the library and were able to check out books. |
| 02:59:10.27 | Unknown | I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO |
| 02:59:17.35 | Adam Politzer | and videos and get online and read newspapers and magazines. So even though we have very large shoes to fill with Mary Richardson moving on, Augie Webb who I announced at the party is the interim librarian until we find the new librarian to serve our city. I am very confident that she will do an outstanding job during that period of time. This Friday we have a professional panel, community panel, and peer panel. that will sit down with six really qualified candidates that will be competing for the opportunity to be our next city librarian. that process will Probably take two and a half to three months to get through the end. which also includes background check and so on. So it'll be a process and I will keep you posted as we get near the conclusion of that process. But hopefully the string of excellent department heads that I've hired and the staff that is followed by the hirees of our department heads It's worth pointing out that Jeremy Graves, who's still here in the audience, Hired Heidi and Lilly, who I think are outstanding candidates. And obviously Jonathan Goldman has brought back Lauren Umbertas. and Scott Paulin was able to hire and bring back to the workforce Captain Robacher. So I think we've had a good track record of having exceptional talent come to our city and I hope that we can continue that string with our next city librarian. I'm going to conclude my comments there and answer any questions of the council that they you and move forward. Thank you very much. Okay. |
| 03:01:10.91 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor? |
| 03:01:12.02 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:01:12.16 | Herb Weiner | head. |
| 03:01:12.41 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:01:13.01 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Adam. It's not a question, it's just an acknowledgement since you're Naming our great staff, I just wanted to acknowledge Heidi Burns and the certified local government distinction, I guess, is just really, you know, another great, you know, job and feather in our cap. So, anyway, thank you. |
| 03:01:24.86 | Linda Pfeifer | to the government. |
| 03:01:36.12 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:01:36.13 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Any public comment? Don't read. you |
| 03:01:43.63 | Doreen Gunnar | Thank you. |
| 03:01:43.64 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:01:43.73 | Doreen Gunnar | Thank you. Hello, I'm Doreen Gunnar, and I do want to say, Adam, I think you've done a great job. Thank you. with the staff that you brought into the City Hall. I mean, it really has made a difference. We've not only got people who are really good at what they do, but they're staying. And that is tremendous because we went through a lot of turnover. I've lived in this town almost 20 years, and I know from the last 10 that, you know, there was a period there when we had tremendous turnover. And to be able to have people that are on staff who really are beginning to know our town and understand this, it makes it easier for all of us residents who come and interface with the staff, and I really want to thank you. |
| 03:02:28.95 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you, Doreen. Any other comment from the public? Okay. No, John, good night, John. |
| 03:02:41.76 | Linda Pfeifer | Good night. Good night. Good night, Dilma. |
| 03:02:42.01 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:02:43.21 | Herb Weiner | Good night, Thelma. |
| 03:02:44.53 | Linda Pfeifer | Good night, Velma and James. |
| 03:02:45.17 | Herb Weiner | Only in a small town can you do that. future agenda items. |
| 03:02:51.97 | Mike Kelly | around the comment of staff You know, I think that part of how we've been able to recruit good staff is by hiring a good city manager, but also treating them with respect, especially in a public forum. And I've noticed that's declined from this council, is questioning both the skill sets and truthfulness of the information that's provided and putting them in awkward situations in front of the public. And that is not how you keep good people. So I think we need to be careful about that. It's one thing to try to make a point. It's another thing to try to put people in your crosshairs in order to do so. So I think we need to be more careful with that if we want to keep and hire good people to work here. |
| 03:03:39.24 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Any other comment here? Okay, next item, committee reports. |
| 03:03:47.00 | Carolyn Ford | Did we think? future agenda items? |
| 03:03:49.67 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, I just mentioned that. |
| 03:03:51.03 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, I have one. I just have a question actually. Where are we on commission appointments? |
| 03:03:52.75 | Herb Weiner | I have. |
| 03:04:01.46 | Herb Weiner | When you say commission, what? Committee. |
| 03:04:05.83 | Carolyn Ford | Committee appointments, all of them. They've been advertised for a while, I've noticed. |
| 03:04:13.41 | Unknown | They've been advertised in |
| 03:04:15.92 | Herb Weiner | Advertising and advertising. |
| 03:04:16.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:04:16.24 | Carolyn Ford | Sometimes. |
| 03:04:16.65 | Unknown | and advertised. Thank you. There's not been any form of a heavy response for filling all the vacancies. |
| 03:04:23.94 | Carolyn Ford | Oh, really? Really? All of them? All of the commissions are? All of them. Okay. Well, we need to get the word out. Oh, really? |
| 03:04:30.39 | Unknown | I need to get the |
| 03:04:31.01 | Captain Rohrabacher | Thank you. |
| 03:04:31.11 | Linda Pfeifer | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:04:31.75 | Mike Kelly | We don't have a quorum besides the art commission which doesn't exist at the moment. They all have a quorum at the moment. |
| 03:04:35.26 | Carolyn Ford | That's it. |
| 03:04:35.55 | Unknown | Thank you. They all have forints because we've asked everyone to stay on until |
| 03:04:38.87 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:04:38.94 | Mike Kelly | We've asked everyone to stay |
| 03:04:40.33 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:04:41.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:04:41.30 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. May? May I? |
| 03:04:41.32 | Unknown | M- |
| 03:04:43.31 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |
| 03:04:43.67 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. So I didn't know it was, but it is a future agenda. I was going to wait to bring it up under the committees, but I And I had raised this question with Mary, but I know that we, I know that for HLB we have three applicants, I believe. And I guess my question is with respect to, and this is what I had asked Mary, is where is it in our city code to allow a board or commission member who has reached the end of their term to continue to serve? |
| 03:05:22.26 | Mike Kelly | It's not on the agenda, so if you, it could be a future agenda. A future agenda. |
| 03:05:24.05 | Linda Pfeifer | It could be a future agenda item. A future agenda item. And another question is, where in our city code does it allow a border commission member who has served for six years and termed out to continue to serve? So it's term limits for our committee members. So somebody's appointed. Yeah. |
| 03:05:40.43 | Mike Kelly | members. So somebody's appointed, they can continue to serve. |
| 03:05:44.62 | Linda Pfeifer | No, it's term limits is term limits. We have term limits. And the reason why it needs to be a future agenda item for clarity is because if we have committee members who have termed out and they're making decisions, they could be, you know, I don't know, perhaps legally challenged. You know, because, I mean, we have term limits for a reason. |
| 03:06:03.62 | Carolyn Ford | Could we ask our city attorney to put an email out to us regarding that, maybe? Answering the questions. |
| 03:06:12.55 | Herb Weiner | They're asking that to be put on a future agenda. That's what they're asking. |
| 03:06:16.31 | Carolyn Ford | They, no. I'm asking, I believe we heard two questions here. Can our city attorney answer those? Either now or in an email? |
| 03:06:26.28 | Mary Wagner | It's not on your agenda. Great. So I suggest that if the council wants to discuss it, you need to agendize it. You want a one-way communication from me to you, we can do that. I did tell Council Member Pfeiffer my opinion |
| 03:06:27.63 | Carolyn Ford | Right? |
| 03:06:40.19 | Mary Wagner | and the practice that has been in place since I've been here, and I believe they dated me. I'm happy to to send a one-way communication, but you can't respond to it. So if the council wants to discuss the manner in which you fill vacancies and allow people to remain, that would need to be an agendized item. Thank you. |
| 03:06:57.55 | Linda Pfeifer | And Mr. Mayor, just to clarify. |
| 03:06:57.57 | Mary Wagner | and Thank you. |
| 03:07:00.30 | Linda Pfeifer | wasn't it? |
| 03:07:00.32 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:07:00.39 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:07:00.42 | Mary Wagner | it. |
| 03:07:00.74 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Yeah, Mary did respond to me and I had a follow-up question for her, which was if there were presidents set, when have we done this before? And I have not heard back from that yet. So anyway, an agenda item. And another agenda, I think that a big push for Arts Commission and get some interviews on there to get the Arts Commission going again. |
| 03:07:07.58 | Unknown | were president. |
| 03:07:08.30 | Linda Pfeifer | set |
| 03:07:09.43 | Unknown | when- |
| 03:07:09.94 | Linda Pfeifer | . |
| 03:07:09.97 | Unknown | have we done this before? |
| 03:07:11.03 | Kayla Kahn | you |
| 03:07:11.12 | Mike Moyle | Play. |
| 03:07:11.64 | Doreen Gunnar | talk about. |
| 03:07:12.35 | Kayla Kahn | And I have not heard that. I recommend. |
| 03:07:13.77 | Mike Moyle | Thank you. |
| 03:07:19.22 | Herb Weiner | A big push for arts commission. |
| 03:07:27.15 | Herb Weiner | I believe you have a liaison to the Ad Commission. Is that right? |
| 03:07:30.24 | Linda Pfeifer | And I know that we have at least two or three applicants for the Arts Commission right now. |
| 03:07:36.48 | Jonathan Leone | for the All right. |
| 03:07:38.02 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 03:07:38.32 | Jonathan Leone | Can I just make one suggestion? Maybe we can get the scope to write an article for us about, you know, no? |
| 03:07:45.75 | Adam Politzer | Okay. Just for information, the scope, as they do every few years, they scale up or scale down and they're in the point of scaling down. So you'll see a lot of the articles being written by community members. |
| 03:07:47.32 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:07:49.36 | Jeff Shurash | Yeah. |
| 03:07:49.38 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:07:49.39 | Jeff Shurash | Yeah. |
| 03:07:49.41 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:07:49.56 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:07:49.76 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 03:07:57.09 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 03:08:01.51 | Adam Politzer | because they just don't have the money or the staffing. |
| 03:08:04.99 | Linda Pfeifer | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:08:05.17 | Adam Politzer | asking them to do additional work isn't an option for them. |
| 03:08:09.76 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:08:09.91 | Jonathan Leone | I think that's a very good idea. |
| 03:08:10.81 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:08:10.98 | Adam Politzer | you in all |
| 03:08:11.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:08:12.14 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:08:12.17 | Jonathan Leone | She has a good friend. |
| 03:08:13.17 | Adam Politzer | I think that's a good part. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:08:15.02 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:08:15.21 | Adam Politzer | I'm sorry. |
| 03:08:17.69 | Herb Weiner | Okay, nothing to report on. Is that it? Okay, next we'll jump down, go by D and go to E. |
| 03:08:26.79 | Mary Wagner | And you see |
| 03:08:29.27 | Herb Weiner | C, that's Spanish for yes. Committee reports, any more committee reports? Do we have a committee report on anything? Okay, then we'll move C, D. Then here I'll designate Jonathan Leon and Mike Kelly to go to the League of California City's annual conference. Okay. |
| 03:08:54.51 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:08:56.20 | Jim Gabbard | you |
| 03:08:56.69 | Herb Weiner | . Okay. Might see all. All right. And I want to finish it up. You know, it's been a tough night, but. |
| 03:08:58.78 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:08:58.80 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:08:58.87 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:08:58.97 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 03:08:59.03 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 03:08:59.15 | Jim Gabbard | I might see a lot. |
| 03:08:59.66 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm not. |
| 03:08:59.83 | Jim Gabbard | All right, and I want to finish. |
| 03:09:01.97 | Linda Pfeifer | I'll finish it up. I, |
| 03:09:02.73 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 03:09:05.14 | Herb Weiner | You know, there was a... I went to the housing element meeting on Saturday and a minority report was handed out. Thank you. Um, and even at the, uh, Housing element meeting Monday night. I allowed this this opinion to go in. The only thing that I find disturbing and inappropriate is that Councilmember Linda Pfeiffer put down. She is on that. Council and Housing Element Task Force She not only put it on the front, at the back. Um. And that's not correct. But when the idea is to win at any cost, type of mentality, which I think is un-American, Can you explain to me what happened? |
| 03:09:57.34 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, I think that your action to unilaterally remove me from the housing element task force simply because of my minority opinion against rezoning for high density multi-unit structures in Sausalito was both illegal and unprecedented. |
| 03:10:17.01 | Herb Weiner | First of all, you were removed because you were obstructing the meetings, and I went to four of them to witness that. But why was your main news put on that you were on the housing, Element Task Force when you're not. That's all I want to know. |
| 03:10:33.33 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, I have answered your question. I believe that your action unilaterally was illegal and wrong and I don't acknowledge it. |
| 03:10:45.72 | Carolyn Ford | I move we adjourn. |
| 03:10:47.78 | Mike Kelly | The mayor appoints all members of these committees as their |
| 03:10:52.37 | Carolyn Ford | No, the Council did. Our task force resolution does not give the |
| 03:10:53.19 | Linda Pfeifer | Our task force resolution does not give the mayor the authority to remove members. |
| 03:11:03.69 | Herb Weiner | Mary, can we have this checked out, please? I mean, just briefly. One of them accused is doing something illegal. |
| 03:11:03.83 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 03:11:03.84 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:11:03.88 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:11:03.93 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 03:11:03.94 | Linda Pfeifer | All right. |
| 03:11:04.23 | Mary Wagner | you're going to be able to do it. |
| 03:11:07.64 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, and Damien, just briefly. Yeah, I would respond just briefly that the power to appoint and the power to remove have been the way that we've been handling appointments and removals from boards and commissions. Whoever has the power to appoint has the power to remove. That's the generic answer. It's. |
| 03:11:27.16 | Linda Pfeifer | It's not stated in our task force. |
| 03:11:29.04 | Carolyn Ford | resolution. |
| 03:11:29.95 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:11:30.86 | Carolyn Ford | And I would agree that it was a political move to boot. Anyway, I made a motion to adjourn. We have nothing more on the agenda, and in fact, this item is not on the agenda. |
| 03:11:37.54 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:11:37.58 | Mike Kelly | or... |
| 03:11:42.15 | Mike Kelly | on your agenda. Earlier on, there was a request to have the city turn in draft. a memo about board service and I don't feel the need for that. Is there a consensus to support that, to not have it? What, you mean the term? |
| 03:11:57.61 | Linda Pfeifer | What, you mean the term limits piece? We don't need a reinterpretation. |
| 03:12:00.24 | Mike Kelly | We don't need to reinterpret. |
| 03:12:01.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:12:01.62 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:12:01.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:12:01.66 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:12:01.74 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:12:01.84 | Linda Pfeifer | I need to get. |
| 03:12:01.96 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:12:02.03 | Unknown | I'm not sure what you're doing with that. |
| 03:12:02.77 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:12:09.45 | Carolyn Ford | Well, at least I have to say we finished in good time. Thank you, Herb. |
| 03:12:10.06 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 03:12:16.27 | Carolyn Ford | I'm stressed out. you Thank you. |
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