| Time | Speaker | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00:00.03 | Carolyn Ford | Council to discuss this in closed session. Until such time. |
| 00:00:05.53 | Mike Kelly | Just make the motion. |
| 00:00:06.76 | Carolyn Ford | And until such time as finances are involved. So I move this item be taken off the agenda. Sure. |
| 00:00:14.93 | Linda Pfeifer | And I second. |
| 00:00:17.14 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:00:19.99 | Jonathan Goldman | Is it more? |
| 00:00:20.80 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:00:20.89 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:00:20.92 | Jonathan Goldman | I still need to take home. |
| 00:00:20.97 | Herb Weiner | I should. |
| 00:00:21.97 | Jonathan Goldman | you |
| 00:00:22.31 | Herb Weiner | Yes, we do. So is anybody public comment, any of the floor? For the record. |
| 00:00:25.97 | Jonathan Goldman | For the record, that it was approved 4 to 0, correct? Yes. Thank you. |
| 00:00:29.83 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 00:00:37.53 | Unknown | I'll try to be brief, I will be brief, because everybody knows what we're not going to be talking about tonight. But my point has not to do directly with either of the two items, either on the closed session or later one that has been removed. I want to comment on the function of the OMIT committee. I am not really sure why they were formed. I've attended a couple of their meetings, and they seem like a little bit of a vetting operation of what might come up later. and I think that they have done a missed service here I won't go any further than that. If they got an item put on the agenda that raised so much controversy in this town, then they have not And, discharging their duties properly. if embarrassment of the city council is a function of committees Maybe the chairman of that OMIT committee should be changed and they're Uh, doctrines. changed and made more clear So I could go on and on, but it's the the existence and the purpose of the OMIT committee that I'm talking about. I have spent a lot of time in this last week fighting a fight that didn't need to be fought. And so that just bothers me. I'm retired, but as we discussed here a minute ago, when you're retired, you don't have as much time as you had when you were working. So I value my time. Thank you. |
| 00:02:11.15 | Herb Weiner | And I say the same thing, sir. Thank you. Since I retired, I'm working more hours now than I ever did. Thank you. |
| 00:02:16.79 | Fritz Warren | I, I, |
| 00:02:16.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:16.87 | Fritz Warren | Thank you. |
| 00:02:16.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:17.07 | Fritz Warren | Thank you. Thank you. you you Thank you. |
| 00:02:18.69 | Unknown | you |
| 00:02:18.74 | Fritz Warren | I've got a slip of paper in there, |
| 00:02:20.03 | Herb Weiner | I break my head as well. You can't be on this item. |
| 00:02:24.46 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, it can be, can't it? It's still on. It's owner. |
| 00:02:28.18 | Herb Weiner | Okay, go ahead. |
| 00:02:29.93 | Fritz Warren | My name is Fritz Warren, been here for a number of years, been paying taxes since 1949. And I enjoy paying the taxes. The point that is, been raised. Think Sausalito. There's no question. We all live here and we enjoy it as a way of life. and we enjoy it. The most important thing is we enjoy it. But that the harassment and the turmoil that's come up now is unfortunate. It's great because the public gets involved. And if they're knowledgeable, it's constructive. But if they're not knowledgeable, it's not constructive. And when they're working on facts that are not correct, It's really bad. They talk about a stream as an example. It's a drainage ditch from the freeway. Anyway. The most important thing is that you people spend This place is empty and you people conduct your business and you've been doing it successfully for a number of years. Bless you for doing it. Please continue it. Do not get rattled by the people that come in with no on their foreheads and tarrying signs and placards. That doesn't get the job done. Stand by what you believe in and what you've got to do. We all don't agree together, but we've got differences of opinions. We're going to make it work. The big thing is we all live here. Enjoy. Thank you. |
| 00:03:49.51 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:03:49.65 | Fritz Warren | Thank you. |
| 00:03:49.67 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:03:49.80 | Fritz Warren | Thank you, Fritz. |
| 00:03:50.97 | Herb Weiner | Anybody else? Okay. |
| 00:03:54.39 | Susan Shea | Thanks. |
| 00:03:55.74 | Herb Weiner | shake. |
| 00:03:57.36 | Susan Shea | My name is I Hope Not. |
| 00:03:57.61 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 00:03:57.63 | Herb Weiner | Amen. |
| 00:03:57.83 | Kayla Conn | So |
| 00:04:00.43 | Susan Shea | Mm-hmm. My name is Susan Shea. I live at 522 Spring Street. And I just am coming up to thank the council that you've removed this from discussion, close discussion, and that we open this up. I think most of us, would be happy to have this happen, we just don't understand it. You know, understand the financials. We don't understand who we're partnering with. It's just not enough public information for us to feel comfortable for city officials to do this in our name. Thank you. |
| 00:04:34.01 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you. Anybody else? |
| 00:04:34.50 | Susan Shea | Thank you. |
| 00:04:45.34 | Sonya Hanson | Might as well get this house out of the way. Sonya Hanson, 522 Spring Street. Process, process, process. I think that's what this is all about. It certainly is for me. Democratic process. I want to understand what's happening in this town, and when things are being done behind closed doors and there's been no or little information, it makes me uncomfortable. So thank you for removing it, and I look forward to hearing the discussion. |
| 00:05:08.54 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:05:08.57 | Keith Stoneking | Okay. |
| 00:05:12.74 | Keith Stoneking | I'm Keith Stoneking from 42 Lincoln Drive, Sausalito. First of all, I'd like to thank the council for taking this off the consent calendar and taking it off of the closed session and removing it in its entirety right now. until we get the affordable housing issue taken care of. And I would encourage the council to look at the recommendation of the M Group, being the consultants to handle this because we are a unique city. And we may disagree, but I think we all want to work in the right direction. And by having the consultants look at what can be actually counted as affordable housing, then we can look at the process of what needs to be done with the Butte-Lincoln property and have a public session on it at that time. Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.01 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.02 | Keith Stoneking | Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.04 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.06 | Keith Stoneking | Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.12 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.16 | Keith Stoneking | Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.19 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.26 | Keith Stoneking | Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.39 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:06:17.41 | Keith Stoneking | Thank you. |
| 00:06:17.44 | Herb Weiner | Anybody else? At this time here, we will go into closed session. And we will see you approximately 7 p.m. |
| 00:06:29.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:38.94 | Herb Weiner | 2011 meeting. Roll call please. |
| 00:06:55.90 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Pfeiffer. Here. Councilmember Leon. |
| 00:06:59.58 | Herb Weiner | here. |
| 00:06:59.96 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Ford? Here. Vice Mayor Kelly? Here. Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:07:04.27 | Herb Weiner | Present. Keith Stoneking, would you lead us in the pledge, please? |
| 00:07:12.23 | Keith Stoneking | Will, will you stand please? And keep with me. |
| 00:07:16.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:07:16.17 | Keith Stoneking | Thank you. |
| 00:07:16.35 | Unknown | I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. |
| 00:07:16.54 | Keith Stoneking | over. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Amen. |
| 00:07:19.78 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:07:21.55 | Unknown | and to the Republic. |
| 00:07:22.27 | Unknown | . |
| 00:07:23.00 | Unknown | Praise His hands. by nation. under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:07:27.19 | Kayla Conn | Amen. |
| 00:07:33.09 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Excellent, by the way. |
| 00:07:37.26 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:07:38.73 | Herb Weiner | By the way, we have a new intern with us at the city, and that's Michaela. We're not on CNN, she's just in-house. Okay. |
| 00:07:53.38 | Herb Weiner | We met in a closed session and we talked about items one to three, which was litigation with Zacks versus Sausalito, Boos versus Sausalito, and the real property on Locust Street. Is there anybody that would like to speak on the closed session items that I just mentioned? Okay. At this time here, I'd like to... |
| 00:08:22.55 | Unknown | It seems to be a good direction. |
| 00:08:25.27 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, we gave direction to city staff on moving ahead with those items. on the agenda. It's my recommendation that we remove item number four that you see on there, which is the Thank you. |
| 00:08:43.91 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:08:44.27 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. 4-H, which is the property that was the exclusive negotiation agreement with Rotary Housing Corporation. Thank you. I would like to... remove that. from the consent calendar and also the agenda. Do I have a consensus on that? Everybody in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. |
| 00:09:06.97 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 00:09:07.79 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 00:09:08.81 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 00:09:09.41 | Susan Shea | Thank you. |
| 00:09:09.45 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 00:09:10.60 | Herb Weiner | So that item will not be discussed on, it will not be on the consent calendar, nor will it be discussed on our agenda this evening. |
| 00:09:19.40 | Unknown | funds for the Senate. |
| 00:09:20.82 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 00:09:21.06 | Unknown | Is this for an opportunity? |
| 00:09:22.91 | Herb Weiner | Yes, I've got... How many people would like to speak on public comment? about this item |
| 00:09:32.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:32.50 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:09:33.11 | Unknown | I agree. |
| 00:09:33.43 | Herb Weiner | Mr. Mayor, just for... |
| 00:09:33.56 | Jonathan Goldman | Mr. Mayor, just for clarification, it's discussion of removal of the item from the agenda. |
| 00:09:37.95 | Herb Weiner | Yes. All right. Lon. |
| 00:09:42.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:43.03 | Unknown | Mayor, my comment was made. |
| 00:09:44.46 | Unknown | . |
| 00:09:44.60 | Unknown | Yo, wait a minute. |
| 00:09:44.65 | Herb Weiner | Yo, wait a minute. Who, who? Keith, I let... Keith, don't get carried away. I'll let you have the pledge. Wait a minute. |
| 00:09:46.27 | Unknown | I'm going to... |
| 00:09:47.03 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:09:47.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:54.27 | Ron Albert | Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Councilmembers. Ron Albert, President of Rotary Housing. Just for the record, Rotary Housing never requested that this be on the consent calendar. We expected it to be on the open agenda with a staff report and an opportunity for open public discussion. We welcome an open, transparent discussion of the highest and best use of this property. We believe, you know, having given it a lot of thought, that senior housing very well could be the highest and best use and we've been putting a lot of thought into that. We welcome and open and public discussion and we urge the City Council to get that on the agenda and establish a process for having that public discussion as soon as possible. Also just for the record, Rotary Housing has built and manages two senior housing complexes now and no Rotarian had any personal financial interest in either of those two projects, and no Rotarian will have any personal financial interest in any future project that's conducted by Rotary Housing. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:11:18.29 | Keith Stoneking | Thank you, Ron. Keith? My name is Keith Stone King, 42 Lincoln Drive, and I'm a past president of Rotary. My comment was going to be that any comments that might include this Rotary issue be held until we talk about Item C, which is the approval of the Consultant Service Agreement for preparation of the housing element. I think that would be the appropriate place to have any other comments. Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:11:48.87 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:11:52.21 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 00:11:52.22 | Unknown | Okay, any questions? Thank you. |
| 00:11:58.30 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, and that isn't the appropriate time this would be. I think I said that right. |
| 00:11:58.74 | Unknown | Thank you. Thanks. |
| 00:12:04.51 | Herb Weiner | Okay, anybody else wants to comment on this? Okay, with that, we'll just move right along. Next item here, we'd like to have the approval of the agenda without that on. without 4-H on that. |
| 00:12:21.40 | Mike Kelly | I'll move. |
| 00:12:22.29 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, if I may. Thank you. |
| 00:12:24.42 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 00:12:24.44 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. I would like to pull item C regarding eco-risk for environmental ecological evaluation. |
| 00:12:34.87 | Unknown | for |
| 00:12:35.29 | Linda Pfeifer | We're not there yet. |
| 00:12:37.36 | Unknown | No. |
| 00:12:37.97 | Jonathan Leone | showing that the |
| 00:12:38.56 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, he removed it. He had his consent. |
| 00:12:38.58 | Mike Kelly | Well, he removed it. Yeah, it is consent. He removed the approval agenda at the top. Okay. Which is the master agenda. Then we put it down here. Okay. Then we go. |
| 00:12:42.56 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. Oh, okay, thank you. Because you removed the roadblock. Yeah, it started out. |
| 00:12:47.13 | Mike Kelly | Yep. |
| 00:12:47.67 | Carolyn Ford | It started out differently. |
| 00:12:48.67 | Mike Kelly | It did. |
| 00:12:48.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 00:12:49.02 | Carolyn Ford | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:12:49.11 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:12:49.43 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:12:50.04 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. So who was it that I moved to you? |
| 00:12:51.52 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 00:12:53.90 | Mike Kelly | I'm sorry. |
| 00:12:53.97 | Herb Weiner | I second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. |
| 00:12:53.99 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:12:54.04 | Carolyn Ford | Second. |
| 00:12:56.01 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:12:56.03 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:12:56.06 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:12:56.32 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:12:56.35 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:12:58.68 | Herb Weiner | Okay, this time here I've got an introduction and swimming in of a police officer, Jesse Callanan. Jennifer Tahara, our chief. |
| 00:13:13.66 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Council Members. Welcome back. It's good to be here this evening. And it's my pleasure to introduce to you tonight our newest police officer, Officer Jesse Callanan. |
| 00:13:38.08 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Jesse began the testing process with us several months ago. And as you know, we have very high standards in Sausalito. And he kept coming out number one of the pack. And then he went through the background process, very exhaustive, psychological testing, fitness testing, everything. And he is a stellar person for this job. And one of the things that's high on our list of priorities is a commitment to service to others. And I have to tell you that Officer Kalanen comes from a family that has a history of service to others, and so it's no surprise that he also has that philosophy and that drive and that passion, and so he really is a good fit for Sausalito. Jesse was raised in Rohnert Park, where his grandfather, Peter Kalaman, was the first city manager. And Jesse is the middle child of five children. He attended Rancho Cotati High School and played football there. He then went on to attend the fire academy and then also the police academy at Santa Rosa Junior College. Jesse learned the craft of construction while working for his father. Thank you very much. provided him with a great work ethic. And, um... Joseph is his dad and his mother Janet still live in Rohnert Park. When I talked to Jesse and interviewed him for his final Chiefs interview, I asked him why Sausalito? And he said, because this is a small community of people who are committed to doing what's right, they're engaged in the community and a community that cares. is a pretty win-win statement. from a candidate who's been interviewed by the chief. And I know that he's very sincere in that. He said he really enjoys becoming and he's looking forward to becoming a contributing member of this community. A little side note, his hobbies include snowboarding, boating, running, abalone diving, and pretty much anything outdoors. And so with that, I'm going to take this opportunity now to swear in Officer Kellenen, so come on up here. |
| 00:16:03.56 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | And I'll have you raise your right hand. And when I say I, repeat your name. to solemnly affirm that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States support and defend. |
| 00:16:22.33 | Unknown | and when the Constitution is |
| 00:16:24.82 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | and the Constitution of the State of California. against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that I will bear true faith |
| 00:16:39.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:39.65 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States |
| 00:16:44.97 | Unknown | you |
| 00:16:45.85 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | and the Constitution of the State of California. |
| 00:16:48.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:49.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:50.83 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | that I take this obligation freely |
| 00:16:53.85 | Unknown | for the Thank you. |
| 00:16:54.57 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | without any mental reservation. |
| 00:16:56.92 | Unknown | you Any mental reservation. |
| 00:16:59.55 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | or purpose of evasion, |
| 00:17:01.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:17:02.30 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties. Thank you. |
| 00:17:08.49 | Unknown | Church of the Union. |
| 00:17:09.36 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | upon which I am about to enter. |
| 00:17:43.38 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | So we're not quite done. A very important part of this is the badge pinning. The badge represents who we are and the pride that we have in this this profession and the trust that the community has in us to do what's right and to serve them well. And so Officer Callanan, who would you like to pin your badge? |
| 00:18:23.76 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 00:18:23.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:27.28 | Jonathon Goldman | I want you to know I'm missing my own council meeting to be here tonight. |
| 00:18:34.71 | Herb Weiner | What time does it start? |
| 00:18:35.99 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | It started in five, we're a little earlier to you guys. |
| 00:18:38.15 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 00:18:51.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:51.68 | Unknown | Maybe she should have her father. I don't know. |
| 00:18:56.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Hey. |
| 00:18:57.93 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Okay, now I present to you Officer J. Thank you. |
| 00:19:16.96 | Unknown | You guys get nothing but time out there. |
| 00:19:20.96 | Unknown | I would just like to thank everybody for being here tonight, my family, my friends. It really means a lot to me. And thank the people of South Slita that are here and the council members and the mayor, vice mayor. I really appreciate it. This is a big honor for me, and I'm very happy to be here. Thank you. |
| 00:19:48.99 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:19:49.72 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:19:51.59 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. I'll see you tomorrow out on the street. I'll be there. |
| 00:19:55.03 | Unknown | You get a kiss. |
| 00:19:55.39 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry. |
| 00:19:57.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:19:58.04 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:19:59.12 | Jonathan Leone | If there are folks here waiting for a celebration, take your time and go out now and |
| 00:20:05.01 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, we have a minute or two. |
| 00:20:23.18 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:20:26.69 | Unknown | about a people. |
| 00:20:34.59 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:20:40.34 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:20:40.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:20:40.43 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. Thank you. Um, as long as it's not like close up. |
| 00:20:44.60 | Unknown | Thank you. you Thank you. |
| 00:20:46.65 | Heidi Burns | . |
| 00:20:52.11 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:20:53.08 | Heidi Burns | Okay, thank you. I know I have a funny profile, so... |
| 00:20:56.27 | Unknown | It's not fun. Thank you. |
| 00:21:10.92 | Linda Pfeifer | It's a great day. Thank you. I got to understand. T-shirt. . |
| 00:21:18.48 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:21:22.62 | Heidi Burns | I've all got it. |
| 00:21:24.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:21:32.00 | Herb Weiner | Okay. At this time here, the next item that we have is acknowledgment of the State Historical Resources Commission Resolution of Recognition on the establishment of the Certified Local Government Program, and that will be Presented by Heidi Burns. Ta-da! you Thank you. |
| 00:21:51.62 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:21:52.01 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 00:21:52.33 | Heidi Burns | Good evening Mayor Weiner, members of the City Council, good evening members of the community. As the Council and some members of the community may be aware of, the City of Saucydeau has recently received its certified local government status, which is pretty exciting. So before I actually go into what that really means, I thought I would provide a brief recap of what a certified local government is. So what is it? So essentially, the National Historic Preservation Act was amended in 1980 to provide a preservation partnership between local, state, and national governments focused on promoting historic preservation at the grassroots level. Well, what does that mean? So essentially it gives local governments a way to participate more formally in state and national historic preservation programs. This is a program that is jointly administered by the National Park Service and the California State Office of Historic Preservation. So why become a certified local government? There are many benefits to becoming what we call a CLG. And the first and foremost would be the opportunity for grant funding. both at the state and federal levels. And there's a lot of different programs out there that the city can tap into to promote any type of historic preservation program we have. And in fact, in our certified local government application, we identified at least a half a dozen projects that we're ready to embark upon today, if we could. Another opportunity is the technical assistance that the State Office of Historic Preservation provides. As a CLG, we have direct access and contact to the state staff, and they're very responsive and can provide us with answers immediately. We also have an opportunity to provide recommendations, not just comments, in the review of Section 106 applications. For example, with the machine shop, if the city wasn't a certified local government and during the VA's Section 106 process we would be able to provide a comment letter similar to the comment letters that we've provided for the America's Cup. but we would be treated just like any other entity. But now that we're a certified local government, We have the same standing as the state, which is pretty significant. |
| 00:24:00.41 | Mike Kelly | Would you tell the public what the Section 106 is? |
| 00:24:03.64 | Heidi Burns | So essentially, Section 106 is whenever there is a federal project that is seeking federal monies, the National Historic Preservation Act requires those departments to actually go through a historical analysis review of that project to determine if the building is historically significant or not. So did that answer your question? So another opportunity that we have is for listings on the state and national registers. Again, we actually have recommending power, not just commenting power. And the last one is improved communication and coordination among the local, state, and federal preservation activities. So how does this relate to Saucedo's CLG process? Well, probably for the past 20 years, the idea of becoming a certified local government has been thrown around by the Historic Landmarks Board and sometimes the City Council. But it wasn't until actually the fiscal year 2010-2011 priority setting where the City Council actually identified this as one of your top 20 priorities and you allocated $10,000 to help facilitate the city becoming a certified local government. So staff took that seriously since it was on our list of things to do for that fiscal year. And so we started back in November 2010 at the Historic Landmarks Board level. And in looking through the application process, we thought that we actually, with the help of the Historic Landmarks Board, that we could actually do the application by ourself and not have to solicit proposals from consultants to help us do this. So we thought, you know, worse comes to worse, we can take a first stab, and if it goes sideways through the process, we can always hire a consultant. So what we started off doing is the Historic Landmarks Board created a subcommittee of board members John Flavin and Peter Cipino And the three of us work together compiling all the information that's necessary as part of the application. Once that information was gathered together, we held a public hearing at the historical landmarks board, or a public meeting at the historic landmarks board level. The remaining Historic Landmarks Board provided great comments. We put together our final package and we were able to bring it before the City Council in March, not February, a little correction. of this year, the City Council approved our application, we submitted it and on July 14th Both the State Office of Historic Preservation and the National Park Service approved Sausalito as becoming a certified local government. Yay. I'm... So, |
| 00:26:38.43 | Kayla Conn | Bye. |
| 00:26:42.72 | Heidi Burns | So with that, on August 5th at the State Historic Resource Commission's quarterly meeting, the city of Sausalito was actually presented a resolution acknowledging the city and recognizing us as a certified local government. |
| 00:27:07.05 | Heidi Burns | So we haven't found the perfect location for this resolution, but it's going to be hung in a prominent location where anyone who's passing by, if they feel so inclined, they can read it. To save time, I will not read it unless the council would like me to. So, With that, we became the 60th CLG in California. What does that mean? That means that among the 482 cities and towns in California, as well as the counties, we're the 60th one, which means we're in a small minority of CLGs in California, which is great in terms of grant funding, so we have a great opportunity to tap into the money. highlights, before I go into the highlights, I wanted to thank board members John Flavin and Vicki Nichols for driving up to Auburn with me on August 5th. We left here at 6.30 in the morning, so they were very dedicated board members, and we attended the board meeting's 9 o'clock meeting in Auburn. So it was |
| 00:28:00.51 | Kayla Conn | on August. |
| 00:28:11.51 | Heidi Burns | pretty fun and the chair of the commission as well as the state historic preservation officer actually presented the resolution and read it. in front of everybody. So the highlights of this process. It took staff and the Historical Limor Works for nine months to process the application from start to finish. We were approved on the first go-round, so we didn't have to make any revisions to the application. We did not have to hire a consultant, so we saved the city $10,000. I know. We were able to rely on the professionalism and expertise of our Historic Landmarks Board which is pretty fantastic. This could not have been done without the help of the city council. So thank you first and foremost for prioritizing this finally and allocating money even though we didn't need to use this. So this was huge. Hopefully you'll consider future historic preservation programs that you can fund. And I would really like to give a huge thank you to the entire historical landmarks board and I just like to read off their names so there's and Morgan Pierce who's our chair Vicki Nichols, who's our secretary, Carolyn Kiernat, John Flavin, and unfortunately our is covering Peter Cipino, who is a former Historic Landmarks Board member, but he was on our our subcommittee and so without his help a lot of this couldn't have been done. |
| 00:29:34.44 | Herb Weiner | Are they here tonight? |
| 00:29:35.62 | Heidi Burns | I have seen most of the |
| 00:29:37.47 | Herb Weiner | Can we have them stand? |
| 00:29:39.21 | Unknown | The three is. |
| 00:29:39.77 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:29:39.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:29:39.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Yeah, have them stand please. |
| 00:29:51.38 | Heidi Burns | So with that, I will conclude my presentation and I'm available to answer any questions you may have. |
| 00:29:55.55 | Herb Weiner | And I want to really personally thank you for a great job, Heidi, and the Landmarks Board for doing an above-the-board job, really. Thank you very, very much. Much appreciated. Thank you. |
| 00:30:08.34 | Heidi Burns | Thank you for the opportunity. |
| 00:30:08.42 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:30:09.88 | Jonathan Leone | I'd like to thank Heidi. Part of enabling this to go forward and the Historic Landmarks Board was, A, staffing the Historic Landmarks Board with a qualified candidate that's required to meet the requirements of this. And thank you to you three, Morgan, especially, for your skill set that helped us qualify. And it took having a staff person who had the abilities to see this all the way through and avoid using an outside consultant, and that's you. And thank you for, you know, when you came on our team, it was easy to get these guys lined up to push it through. Whereas before, it was very hard to get this on the priorities list. So thank you very much for your help. |
| 00:30:49.97 | Unknown | I can't |
| 00:30:50.68 | Carolyn Ford | I'd like to give you an A plus for doing it without a consultant. That's wonderful. Thank you. |
| 00:30:55.54 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:30:57.60 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:30:58.04 | Carolyn Ford | That's fine. |
| 00:30:58.09 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes, Heidi, I want to say thank you so much, so very much, and thanks to the Historic Landmarks Board, and I know it was a lot of hard work, and... I mean, to get it approved in the first try is amazing, and I think it's a reflection of the talent we have here, and you're just really amazing. Thank you so much. |
| 00:31:23.28 | Unknown | Yeah, just not, go ahead, Mike. |
| 00:31:25.47 | Mike Kelly | I remember coming here seven years ago and my first task was to be on the council representative to the historic landmarks board. At that time we were trying desperately to get historic guidelines written. We now have not only the certified city government but also the historic guidelines in our pocket. We've accomplished two major things and I know you guys will figure out something else to do. much for all you've done for it. Thank you. the historic guidelines in our pocket. So we've accomplished two major things, and I know you guys will figure out something else to do. So thank you very much for all you've done for it, contributed to it. Appreciate it. Fuck. |
| 00:31:58.70 | Unknown | Thank you, Heidi. |
| 00:31:58.89 | Mike Kelly | Thank you, Heidi. |
| 00:31:59.60 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 00:32:01.50 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:32:01.64 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:32:01.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:32:01.84 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:32:05.00 | Herb Weiner | Before I move on to public comment, |
| 00:32:08.07 | Jonathan Leone | I'll just say one thing. So these are major tools that we've been able to now put in our tool bag to preserve the character and historic nature of Sausalito that we didn't have before. And we'll have more coming down the line as we codify some of the... Thank you. the guidelines into the broader aspects of town. But these are huge tools to, both from a funding perspective as well as a limitation on the impact of new construction in Sausalito, Pennsylvania. |
| 00:32:34.31 | Herb Weiner | Okay, thank you very, very much. Before I open for public comment, for those who came in a little late, just so you know, the item about Rotary housing has been moved off the consent calendar and off this evening's agenda. So be aware of it for those who came in late. All right. Can I have a raise of hands to those who would like to make a public comment at this time? about things that are not on the agenda. Okay, can I have you please come up? Peter, John, who else had their hand up? Okay. Can I get you maybe to wait in line over here so we don't have to keep on calling you up? |
| 00:33:22.35 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 00:33:23.53 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:33:23.55 | Peter Van Meter | Yeah. |
| 00:33:23.67 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:33:23.72 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 00:33:23.90 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:33:23.92 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 00:33:23.95 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:33:23.97 | Peter Van Meter | . |
| 00:33:24.56 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 00:33:24.65 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 00:33:24.68 | Herb Weiner | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:33:24.75 | Peter Van Meter | Peter Van Meter for Cloud View Circle. Tonight I'd like to make a question, a comment about something that goes beyond the normal partisan politics of Sausalito and relates to someone that I think is something that everybody here on this council can support. And I'm speaking as a representative of Citizens for Sustainable Pension Plans. And every elected official in the county has been asked to make a pledge to deal with this issue of the crisis, fiscal crisis of the unsustainable public employee pension plans. |
| 00:33:24.76 | Herb Weiner | Peter Van. |
| 00:33:53.87 | Peter Van Meter | And so our group, Citizens for Sustainable Pension Plans, has drafted a pledge that every elected official in the county, city and county level has been asked to sign And very quickly, here's what it says. I recognize that public employee retirement costs are unsustainable and are a true threat to the ability of Marin County to maintain vital services and preserve our quality of life I commit to control these costs, make every attempt to end all practices and contribute to this crisis. to make the retirement system more transparent for issues that require changes to the law, I will actively support legislation that will facilitate these changes. I pledge that all my actions as an office holder will reflect and be true to this commitment. And I request that each and every one of you sign this pledge and join other members of the county, elected officials, and in fact candidates who'll be running in future elections will also be asked to sign this because it is a crisis that we need to deal with. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. |
| 00:34:52.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Peter. |
| 00:34:53.78 | Peter Van Meter | PASS. |
| 00:34:54.05 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 00:34:54.54 | Linda Pfeifer | you Thank you. I signed it already. you |
| 00:34:58.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:58.96 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:34:59.09 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:34:59.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:59.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:59.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:59.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:07.82 | Herb Weiner | Okay, now you're on, Pat. |
| 00:35:11.01 | Pat Sook | Well, let's see. you |
| 00:35:13.96 | Herb Weiner | That's right. |
| 00:35:14.20 | Pat Sook | I'm sorry. Thank you. No. |
| 00:35:16.16 | Herb Weiner | I'll just read off of that one anyway. |
| 00:35:20.63 | Pat Sook | Pat Sook, 65, Monty Moore. I'm here because of something that happened because of the Butte property. I don't want to direct my comments to the Butte property. I'd like to direct my comments to the Omit Committee and how business is being done. As a result of the staff report which cited approval of the OMIT committee as one of the reasons or as in support of the negotiating agreement, I went looking. for the OMIT committee minutes, which might support the statement that OMIT had supported the agreement And lo and behold, I was unable to find any OMIT committee minutes Subsequent to coincidentally, in May 2009 set of action minutes. Um, Coincidentally, because in those minutes was mention of the Hunt property and a direction to staff to determine the process for sale and to retain a broker. Now, I don't particularly care that it was related to the Hunt property. What I do care about is that OMIT has a name. And the name stands for something and has a history. and OMIT stands for Outreach, MLK, Internet Technology, and Transportation. I weren't looking for what that meant. City minutes. that established the Helmet Committee in 2005. The only committee was supposed to be an expansion of the Outreach Committee to include, or an expansion of the MLK committee, to include information technology transit issues, for example, the Sally Shuttle, Um, MLK leads us in outreach. The notion that this committee would meet and decide such things as hiring a broker and selling property and do so without even submitting minutes is disturbing to me. I went to the last OMIT committee meeting last week. Mike and Jonathan, you may remember me being there. That agenda consists... |
| 00:37:37.18 | Unknown | I'm not on the open, I can't wait. |
| 00:37:38.60 | Pat Sook | Who was there? Thank you. |
| 00:37:39.70 | Unknown | Hey. |
| 00:37:40.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:40.57 | Pat Sook | Okay. News seemed to be everywhere. |
| 00:37:44.45 | Unknown | Not so much anymore. |
| 00:37:45.45 | Pat Sook | Maybe you look like Herb or something. I don't know. |
| 00:37:45.48 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:37:51.44 | Jonathan Leone | You've got to get some new glasses for that one. |
| 00:37:53.43 | Unknown | OK. |
| 00:37:54.16 | Jonathan Leone | I mean, I like her butt. |
| 00:37:56.47 | Pat Sook | Anyway, the only two items on that agenda were the fire merger and the view property. nothing to do with outreach, MLK, Internet technology, and transportation. So I'm simply asking A for some transparency, please put the minutes available somewhere if there are minutes. And B, it would be, I think, a good idea to get a grip and Have the committees deal with what they're supposed to do. |
| 00:38:22.96 | Herb Weiner | the Thank you, Pat. Kayla, I believe you were next. |
| 00:38:32.46 | Kayla Conn | I am Kayla Conn and I live on Rodeo. I have been up here Four times now. asking all of you to get an art commission. the weekend of the art fair We had 50 Sausalito artists that put on their own fare. There was no money involved and they got it together in two weeks. I have the names of all 50 of them. They want to participate. I have asked all of you so many times, we need an art commission, especially since the The races are coming. It's going to take a while. We'd like to have all Sausalito artists and all the All the businesses and the restaurants, we have ideas about murals and things. Please, please do something about that. |
| 00:39:15.29 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:39:15.49 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 00:39:15.78 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, I think. |
| 00:39:16.22 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Kayla, if you would send that list to Debbie, that would be really helpful. If you have that list of 50 artists, that would be very helpful. |
| 00:39:24.99 | Linda Pfeifer | . |
| 00:39:26.58 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Okay, then we'll make it up. |
| 00:39:27.41 | Linda Pfeifer | I know four people who are interested, at least. |
| 00:39:28.64 | Jonathan Leone | of the people who are |
| 00:39:28.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:39:28.98 | Kayla Conn | Interesting. |
| 00:39:30.31 | Herb Weiner | All right, next. Neil, go ahead, Neil. |
| 00:39:40.37 | Neil Whitelaw | Neil Whitelaw, 408 B Street, resident of 44 years. I'll just add something brief to what Kayla said. Make it a 51st artist that would like to see something happening there. Seems like we've forgotten that the modern era in Saucyus history, It's been... created because of the artists. We wouldn't have the Sausage Art Festival without artists. to not have a body that represents artists on a government or quasi-government level seems to be ridiculous. Uh, The main reason I came tonight was because in February of 2010. I was struck in a crosswalk. I had the green lights. crossing the street on Bridgeway. And there was talk about that something would be done. Maybe something like who's done up in Petaluma with flashing lights in the crosswalks. Uh... I don't see any progress on that. I haven't been here for the last couple of months because I've been busy with some nonprofit groups. Um, I'd like to know if anything's been done on this. And at that time, after I spoke the first time, Someone approached me. with a legal background and said, now that you've announced to the city But there's a problem. if there is an accident or a death. They are liable for additional damages because they are notified. And it would be gross neglect in that case. So can we do something like the city of Pedaluma has or something else? I know, Herb, before you were even elected as mayor, you said you were investigating things and then something would come about soon. it becomes more and more difficult each week, each month for myself, and other people that are turtles to get across the street on Bridgeway. with the light or in a crosswalk. They seem to bear down on you. And we've got some signs up. They're sort of lit. Hasn't changed a thing. I almost get run over three times a week. I like to be able to cross the street, and have peace of mind. I've got a permanent injury to my knee. I will go to the grave with the injury in my left knee. because something has never been done. Can we do something? Thank you. |
| 00:41:55.49 | Herb Weiner | Kenya. Um, Maybe we'll get a comment. Jonathan Goldman, would you maybe give us an update? |
| 00:42:06.78 | Jonathan Goldman | Mr. Mayor, as you know, because this item isn't on your agenda, staff can provide you with a very brief update, or you can direct staff to put it on a future agenda. |
| 00:42:06.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:42:06.83 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:42:06.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:42:07.03 | Heidi Burns | Mr. Bert. |
| 00:42:07.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:42:09.85 | Herb Weiner | I can't. |
| 00:42:15.31 | Herb Weiner | Okay, just a brief update. |
| 00:42:17.03 | Jonathon Goldman | All I ask. We have certainly heard Mr. Whitelaw and others. We evaluate the condition of our crosswalks regularly. A number of our crosswalks have recently been restriped with a much higher visibility striping pattern than what was there before. We also have a striping contract that we expect to let shortly. if it pleases the council, I'll be happy to come back with a detailed discussion on in-street lighting systems and things like that at a future date. Okay. Thank you, Jonathan. |
| 00:42:51.21 | Herb Weiner | you Thank you. |
| 00:42:51.83 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm not sure. |
| 00:42:51.97 | Herb Weiner | Any other comments from the public? Okay. them. |
| 00:43:00.54 | Tom Hoover | I don't think it's inappropriate for me. Excuse me. My name is Tom Hoover, 300 Napa Street, and I don't think it's inappropriate to mention that I was trying to cross in a crosswalk at one point, and I was walking my bike across, and a lady just drove right on by. I called her a dirty name, and then she stalked me. And I don't know if the police can help because I've watched them help with the bicyclists, but I don't think that the striping is just the issue. People that come through this town think that they have a right to drive over and that, you know, whatever. So I don't know if perhaps, you know, a greater attention of the police on people doing that and not allowing people to cross the street in safety. That's just the suggestion. |
| 00:43:02.46 | Herb Weiner | Excuse me. Thank you. |
| 00:43:49.86 | Tom Hoover | Okay, thank you, Tom. |
| 00:43:51.65 | Herb Weiner | Okay. With that, I'll move on to approval of the minutes of the July 12, 2011 meeting. |
| 00:44:06.35 | Mike Kelly | So much. |
| 00:44:06.67 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 00:44:06.74 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:44:08.19 | Linda Pfeifer | Second. |
| 00:44:09.19 | Herb Weiner | All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, next item is the approval of the minutes, the regular City Council meeting on July 26, 2011. |
| 00:44:10.57 | Linda Pfeifer | I know. |
| 00:44:20.29 | Unknown | You have approval? Yeah. |
| 00:44:22.10 | Herb Weiner | All in favor? Aye. Cooper? Aye. Okay. At this time here the consent calendar. |
| 00:44:24.09 | Unknown | I... |
| 00:44:34.62 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor? Thank you. |
| 00:44:35.24 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 00:44:35.26 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. Thank you. |
| 00:44:35.70 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:44:36.03 | Linda Pfeifer | I would like to pull item C regarding environmental and ecological evaluation of shallow marine sediments at Cass Marina. |
| 00:44:48.84 | Herb Weiner | Go ahead. |
| 00:44:50.68 | Linda Pfeifer | Africa. For the purpose that there is a reference to city expansion, interest in modification or expansion of either facility, and I would like just more information on that. |
| 00:45:05.51 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. And I would like to pull that for the same reason as well as 4A. I just need some clarification of the bulkhead project. |
| 00:45:18.80 | Unknown | Mm. |
| 00:45:20.20 | Unknown | Well, if you have clarification, you can answer that now. Is there just a question? |
| 00:45:24.55 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, it is. Okay. |
| 00:45:26.24 | Herb Weiner | Jonathan Goldman. Hello. |
| 00:45:33.04 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, my question is this. On the chart that you give us, it shows that we have a contingency of 118,539 left for the project. |
| 00:45:52.88 | Jonathon Goldman | Correct. |
| 00:45:53.88 | Carolyn Ford | And we have a change order that you're reviewing in the amount of 183,000, which will put us over our Funding. for the, in terms of the amount set aside for the change order, for this part of it, the change orders, 20% or whatever it was? |
| 00:46:09.34 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 00:46:09.40 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 00:46:09.42 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:46:09.45 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 00:46:14.92 | Jonathon Goldman | ever. I think I understand your question. Were that potential change order to be deemed desirable or to be approved, we would have to return to council for supplemental appropriation. At this point, I don't think that's likely. |
| 00:46:28.59 | Keith Stoneking | career. |
| 00:46:28.96 | Kayla Conn | CHANGING. |
| 00:46:29.03 | Unknown | And |
| 00:46:29.62 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 00:46:32.83 | Jonathon Goldman | the point of the status report was to advise the council and members of the community what the status is and we do have that potential change order in the |
| 00:46:43.36 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, thank you. And I see there have been some give backs. Do you foresee or know of any future give backs that we might anticipate? |
| 00:46:54.36 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, for example, I know that the potential change order in question at the moment, which has to do with fire suppression systems, we are essentially value engineering that change as we speak. Well, not literally as we speak. |
| 00:46:58.14 | Carolyn Ford | of the |
| 00:47:10.46 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. because I'm talking here. But the idea is to try to find ways to use less expensive materials, make sure that we're delivering what's necessary without proposing to deliver more than what's necessary. I anticipate based on the relationship that exists between city staff, between representatives of Sausalito Yacht Harbor and Reyes Construction as well as our construction manager, that we will continue to identify opportunities to spend less than what was bid and budgeted and to deal honestly and objectively with issues that come up that weren't foreseen and that do warrant additional funds. |
| 00:47:14.46 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:47:54.96 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, great. Thank you. |
| 00:47:56.49 | Jonathon Goldman | You're welcome. Thank you, Jonathan. Um, |
| 00:47:59.72 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:48:00.07 | Jonathon Goldman | Why don't we... Were there... I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor, was there a question on another |
| 00:48:03.97 | Herb Weiner | item that you'd like clarification? No, I think what we're going to do on item C is we're going to move that and make that a 6D on the business item. |
| 00:48:04.59 | Jonathon Goldman | No, I think what we're going to do on the |
| 00:48:10.65 | Jonathon Goldman | on the business side. |
| 00:48:11.48 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 00:48:12.76 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:48:12.83 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:48:12.89 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:48:12.91 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:48:13.03 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Okay, so let's have approval of the consent calendar on A and B. |
| 00:48:20.74 | Unknown | on the road. |
| 00:48:22.13 | Herb Weiner | Second. |
| 00:48:24.34 | Unknown | Second. |
| 00:48:25.13 | Herb Weiner | Okay, all in favor. |
| 00:48:26.11 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, you can see that. |
| 00:48:27.53 | Herb Weiner | Oh, I'm sorry. A, I'm sorry, AB. |
| 00:48:29.38 | Unknown | I'll try AB. Thank you. |
| 00:48:31.66 | Unknown | EFG. Thank you. |
| 00:48:33.52 | Herb Weiner | Okay. We got the rest of them. |
| 00:48:36.72 | Jonathan Leone | Point of clarification, just a couple of these, just since we actually have people here tonight. You know, D is authorizing someone to keep a close eye on 1.6 million in street and storm drain repairs in the next few months, actually. So that, if you're waiting for your street to be repaired, it's probably coming soon, and you can find that on the City Hall website. If you go under the Public Works section, you can see if your street's going to be repaired. and I can promise my neighbors that finally they can stop complaining to me about The street nearby. Um, And the city is actually improving its street lighting. They're going to save $14,000 a year in electricity costs. It has an eight-year payback. So we're doing some good things up here, not just crazy stuff. |
| 00:49:22.94 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. And also we're looking at when you start seeing some construction on the roads, we're looking at a little over 20% of the streets in Tasselita that we've done on this. |
| 00:49:36.46 | Unknown | you |
| 00:49:36.51 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. 20% of the streets will be redone in this next |
| 00:49:37.00 | Unknown | THE END OF THE |
| 00:49:41.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:41.29 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:49:41.30 | Unknown | you |
| 00:49:41.39 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:49:41.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:41.61 | Herb Weiner | in some form in the next few months. |
| 00:49:46.15 | Jonathan Leone | ALSO, WE'LL BE INVOLVED. |
| 00:49:46.33 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 00:49:46.97 | Jonathan Leone | You're going to get those in before it rains, aren't you? |
| 00:49:48.32 | Unknown | and you're not going to be No. |
| 00:49:55.65 | Herb Weiner | Yes, we had a consensus on that. Can we go? Yes, we did. |
| 00:49:57.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:57.93 | Jonathan Goldman | Can we go? |
| 00:49:59.82 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:49:59.83 | Jonathan Goldman | The motion only included A through C, so if you don't mind, just clarify that includes everything but B or whatever. We're going to go A, B, D, E. |
| 00:50:00.19 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:50:03.53 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, age to shape. |
| 00:50:06.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:50:06.26 | Herb Weiner | We're going to go A, B, D, E, everything but C. Thank you. A, B, A, B. H was removed. H was removed. |
| 00:50:09.23 | Jonathan Leone | you Thank you. |
| 00:50:11.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:50:11.66 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:50:11.68 | Unknown | It's a great day. |
| 00:50:11.76 | Jonathan Leone | A, B, A, B. H was removed. H was removed. Yeah, A, B, D, E, F, G. |
| 00:50:17.42 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Okay. So moved. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. So moved. All right. The next item, we'll go to... |
| 00:50:19.81 | Jonathan Leone | So moved. All in favor? |
| 00:50:22.51 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:50:22.76 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:50:22.87 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 00:50:22.92 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 00:50:28.91 | Herb Weiner | public hearings and that will be on the fire consolidation. And Charlie Francis. |
| 00:50:34.54 | Mike Kelly | Could you move, somebody move that board. |
| 00:50:38.98 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:50:53.58 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | Thank you. |
| 00:50:54.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:50:59.28 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | Thank you. |
| 00:50:59.32 | Mike Kelly | I'm not sure. |
| 00:50:59.38 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | Thank you. |
| 00:50:59.47 | Mike Kelly | Mm-mm. |
| 00:51:06.81 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | We have handouts. |
| 00:51:08.68 | Unknown | to the audience. Thank you. |
| 00:51:13.37 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | and handouts for the council. |
| 00:51:16.46 | Unknown | Thank you. . |
| 00:51:18.79 | Unknown | you Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:51:29.22 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, tonight's agenda item before you are to consider two resolutions. A resolution to submit an application to LAFCO for the annexation of the city into the Southern Marin Fire Protection District. And the second resolution is to approve a property tax sharing agreement between the city and the Southern Marin Fire District. We're going to come back to this picture in a minute, but specifically the recommendation before you this evening is to the annexation of the city into the Southern Marin Fire Protection District be accomplished without a parcel tax. Thank you. is the annexation of the city into the Southern Marin Fire Protection District be accomplished without a parcel tax. And the reasons that we're recommending that is because it will continue the excellent high level and quality level of service, ensure the cost effective and efficient level of services that we're already experiencing here in Sausalito. It'll have a minimum tax impact on our citizens and it'll stabilize the city's general fund. Finally, it establishes the opportunity to have elective local control by electing representation to serve the entire district. This recommendation is consistent with a recent grand jury report that supported consolidation of fire services such as this annexation. It's consistent with an IJ editorial that supported the annexation of the city of Sausalito into the Southern Marin Fire Protection District. It's consistent with statewide and nationwide best practices for response and cost effective fire services as high-slided by organizations as the National League of Cities, the California League of Cities, ICMA, International City Management Associations, and the Government Finance Officers Association. And there's plenty of local examples here on the peninsula or here in the Bay Area, specifically in the peninsula and where consolidation of fire service is occurring. It's a best practice and we're going to go into the reasons why it's a best practice throughout this presentation. I love this picture. This is a picture of a timeline. It tells just beautiful stories. First of all, it tells the story of a seven-year relationship, a very successful relationship with the Southern Marin Fire Protection District. I don't think anybody on the city council or in the city community argues that our fire service is anything but the highest and best quality. In fact, when we did our community polling, over 80%, 84% of the community confirmed that it was a great level of service that we're receiving. Our major incidents are contained to the structure of origin because we have a third of the a strike force, a first alarm and a second alarm force that immediately comes into the city. Our ambulance calls respond, they save lives, they heal injuries, and they're doing all this because our people are fully cross-trained. with Southern Marin Fire District and the city of Sausalito Fire employees. They use the same standard operating procedures. They have standardized equipment and they know how to use that equipment across boundaries. The employees, the community, and the command staff, They're all fully integrated with the city and with Uh, And they do that through excellent communications. I don't think anyone here will argue the great, high quality services that we have. So along the way, We aligned the MOUs, we aligned ourselves operationally, and we had this wonderful transparent public process that had community meetings, had city meetings, had committee meetings, Full meanings to the City Council, reports published on the website, And, And at the same time, I like to show the fiscal picture because the fiscal picture was we went from a case where We were financially unstable in 2003. We set a strategic plan goal of becoming stable. And one of the key strategies in stabilizing the general funds financial condition was moving towards annexation where we entered into a contract with the Southern Marin Fire Protection District where they provided command staff. to our 15 fire department employees and they did so at a subsidized cost. In other words, it wasn't the full cost of providing command staff services. During this process for the past three years we've had a professional analysis by Citygate, a firm that was selected through the public procurement process of receiving bids and proposals. They employed scientific public management exhaustive public finance analysis to the process. There was no back of the envelope calculations. This was government calculations and why this makes sense. We had public opinion polls. We're gonna go into the results of those later. And all the way, all the way through this process, LAFCO was with us. And why that's important is because LAFCO's job is to ensure that it makes operational sense and dollars and cents for both the annexing agency and the agency that's being annexed. Oh, I'm sorry. LAFCO is the Marin County Local Agency Formation Commission. And they're the bureaucratic body that's in every county. Every county has a LAFCO. And they're in charge of municipal boundaries, service level boundaries, and making sure that when boundary changes occur, |
| 00:56:28.24 | Jonathan Leone | Oh. |
| 00:56:46.32 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | that there's the financial capacity to absorb the new level of service, that the new level of service can be delivered. So at the conclusion of all the analysis and all the study, this seven year picture, City Gate made a recommendation, a preferred alternative, that annexation into the fire protection district was the preferred alternative out of all the alternatives. The working group was comprised of elected representatives from the city and the fire district. We had representatives from unions and we had our experts and in the process including staff and professionals all analyzing coming to this conclusion that that the boundary should be expanded to include the city of Sausalito that local control is improved over the fire protection district by having in the short term non-voting advisory representatives to the board and in the long term the ability to be elected to the board. to continue the city's strong financial relationship with the district whose services are favored City retains ownership of the downtown fire station and the employees become employees of the service district. Um, I'd like to take just a moment to turn the podium over to Mr. Stewart Gary, representative from CityGate, and he'll talk really quickly on what other options existed in relation to the regional fire service partners that are available in the area because it's been a focus of a lot of community discussion and city council discussion as we led up to today. So, Mr. Gary. |
| 00:58:24.53 | Stuart Gary (CityGate consultant) | Good evening, mayors and members of the council. Just to briefly recap what we've covered in the prior studies, a basic building fire needs 16 personnel. And as you know, Sausalito staffs one fire engine with three and one ambulance with two. So where did the other personnel come from? You need a command chief for incident command supervision safety control. You need at least two more pumping fire engines that have to come from a partner agency. A rescue air nighttime lighting unit which comes from a partner agency. One ladder truck which comes from a partner agency that's totaling 16. So Sausalito is only providing five of the necessary 16 personnel for a modest house or building fire. And that's what the fire department and you read in the newspapers, that's what's called a first alarm, the initial response force. And it's comprised of Southern Marin Fire District companies in addition to Sausalito and a single unit from Marin City which is vented by the Marin County Fire Department. Second Larm or greater units come from Mill Valley, Tiburon, or Cordia Madeira further away. If we look at this geographically, serving Sausalito, you become to some degree captive by your geography in this part of the county. in that your closest neighbors are Marin City, as we've mentioned, working up the Southern Marin Fire District. They have a battalion chief that is available for command response and supervision of the city services. Mill Valley, which has two units, and also a battalion chief. And both battalion chiefs are somewhat about the same response time in Sausalito, depending on traffic conditions. And then as you can see, the other districts, Tiburon, Corte Madera are much further away. And typically in fire services consolidation for command, control and effective supervision, you don't have leadership leapfrogging through another agency to get to the agency with the emergency or the supervision because response time and just a bureaucracy span of control makes sense. You wouldn't want to drive an hour to have a 15 minute meeting with a crew you're supervising. We look at partner agency constraints in the studies. Marin County's single battalion chief on duty today is up in Woodacre, 16 miles away from the city. As I mentioned, Marin City is a single engine contract with the county. Mill Valley has two engines, the battalion chief, but consistently over the years and again recently the city manager or fire chief have confirmed that Mill Valley is not interested at this time in more deeply sharing services via contractor merger. Tiburon has two engines and the chief officer but the battalion chief is five minutes further to South Marin or Mill Valley. Cordo Madera's resources are even further away. And only Tiburon perhaps has fire prevention capacity to offer. The others would all need to hire a fire inspector as would the city in reestablishing fire services. for fire prevention. The greater alarm units as you go further north like Larkspur, again, it's a time over distance equation. While they might be interested in sharing some service, does it make time over distance cost effectiveness? So in summary, again, partner agencies typically don't contract through another. You could prefer contiguous service areas and responsibilities, and that leaves annexation of the Southern Marin District as the best operationally reasonable alternative to restarting a full Sausalito fire department independently, which would cost an increase of $1.4 million annually in today's cost. |
| 01:01:48.57 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Steve, before you step away, will you just highlight, once again, your background and your experience in this area for the public? |
| 01:01:55.97 | Stuart Gary (CityGate consultant) | Thank you. I'm the fire practice principal for City Gate Associates. This is my 41st year in the fire service. I started as a volunteer in high school, rose through the ranks and have a battalion, have a master's degree and a bachelor's degree in public administration. I've been consulting full-time now in fire services for six years. Our clients and fire protection system, municipal design range across the United States, principally in the western U.S. Thank you. |
| 01:02:20.04 | Jonathan Leone | How about your personal experience with this type of |
| 01:02:23.99 | Stuart Gary (CityGate consultant) | And I was the chief that helped design, implement, and live to tell about it. The Livermore-Pleasanton Fire Joint Powers Authority consolidation then in 1996 between the cities of Livermore and Pleasanton. I was started as the chief of Livermore. We've helped shepherd other consolidations. In many consolidations, the puzzle pieces do not fit as cleanly as this one, where there has been alignment of wages, hours, working conditions, and supervision incrementally, progressively, in a healthy sense over a period of time. And many times when you quickly merge an agency and you have dramatic cultural service, total compensation differences, it is very difficult to get to one. If this were easy to do, there would be 200 fewer fire departments in the state of California. This is not easy to do and therefore these opportunities when they exist to have the alignment and the cost effectiveness of this one. And so you've heard me say this before in this room, we recommend for and against these, they need to fit the local circumstances, both from customer service and cost. |
| 01:02:24.00 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:02:29.50 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:02:29.52 | Kayla Conn | Absolutely. |
| 01:03:29.73 | Carolyn Ford | One quick question, clarification point. You mentioned that you recommended the annexation as the solution. Didn't your report also state that a full agreement with the Southern Marin Fire District would also work well? The city had both those choices. Just I believe it did. I just want to confirm that. |
| 01:03:54.54 | Stuart Gary (CityGate consultant) | I just want to confirm. |
| 01:03:55.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:56.51 | Stuart Gary (CityGate consultant) | Yes, an agreement is always theoretically possible, and then the report and subsequent follow-on got into what was the most effective way for the Sausalito General Fund to pay its share of that agreement. And in your case, the property tax transfer and the annexation turned out to fiscally be the most viable solution. |
| 01:04:18.72 | Carolyn Ford | But you did say that either would work, as I recall. |
| 01:04:22.16 | Stuart Gary (CityGate consultant) | Yes, as they do in other communities. If a community can pay the fair share bill. You still need to preferably get to one workforce, however, one chain of command, one supervision, one centralized workforce, not a bifurcated situation where the boss is agency A and the line firefighter is agency B. |
| 01:04:40.20 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 01:04:40.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:40.27 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:04:40.30 | Unknown | you |
| 01:04:45.50 | Stuart Gary (CityGate consultant) | Thank you. |
| 01:04:45.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:45.62 | Jonathan Leone | But in clarify, an agreement requires two parties to agree to it. Is that correct, to enter into a long-term agreement? Common sensically, of course. |
| 01:04:52.62 | Unknown | Yes. Yes. Thank you, Stuart. |
| 01:04:57.40 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Thank you, Stu. And everyone will be available for more questions at the end of the presentation. We moved quickly then into community polling last spring. The telephone survey was very enlightening. First of all, the voters, the citizens of Sausalito, are really positive about the direction the city's going. They have a high degree of confidence in the city council. They have a high degree of confidence in the fire district. And they're 84% favorable feeling towards the Southern Marin Fire District and the services that they're getting. The survey had more results. Residents planted the highest priority, the highest priority of all residents, was maintaining the high-quality fire and emergency services. Yes, sir. |
| 01:05:42.59 | Unknown | No. |
| 01:05:44.83 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | did. |
| 01:05:45.66 | Unknown | But they've been waiting. |
| 01:05:46.62 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Yes. Thank you. Thank you. So, |
| 01:05:50.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:05:50.10 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Thank you. Thank you. But another result which was surprising that few voters here in Sausalito were aware that the Southern Marin Fire District was the Sausalito Fire Department. They did not realize that the uniform and patches of our firefighters were Southern Marin Fire District. They really didn't see that the trucks driving down the street and the equipment going on there all said Southern Marin Fire District. In other words, the operations of the Southern Marin, of the Sausalito Fire Department has been done and been appearing and been coordinated and consolidated all through the Southern Marin Fire District. Because they didn't realize that, we devised the question of whether you supported an annexation into the fire protection district by going into a detailed explanation of what that meant, what the current situation was and what that meant going in there. And 62% just initially, right off the bat with a small little three paragraph reading of what was the annexation was about supported annexation into the fire protection district. Yes, ma'am. |
| 01:07:02.30 | Carolyn Ford | I may have this confused with another survey, but I believe that going back one step here, when you mentioned that the residents' main concern was fire, I believe it was development. Wasn't it? That's what I recall from that survey. |
| 01:07:20.66 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | I don't have. |
| 01:07:21.04 | Carolyn Ford | I don't have it in front of me. That's correct. |
| 01:07:22.51 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | They had... The top issues facing the city of Sausalito were open-ended, but when asked on What was their highest priority, which was the support for concepts of companies, it was the highest priority was maintaining fire and emergency services, particularly during disasters. |
| 01:07:44.38 | Ron Albert | Uh... |
| 01:07:44.70 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | So the second question that talked about water development was just in general what are some of the top issues facing the city? But when they got into detailed municipal services the highest priority was on maintaining fire and emergency services. |
| 01:07:57.42 | Carolyn Ford | the services then, the overall. Correct. Yeah, with the development. But good memory. Thank you. |
| 01:08:00.69 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Correct. But good memory. So the public opinion polls then went on to say that if they would support a $90 parcel tax necessary to pay for consolidation, annexation, initial support was only 50%, which is pretty far below the 66.7% that's required for approval. That support increased when all the various alternatives were presented, but it was still considerably below the two-thirds level that would be required for voter approval. So while this is going on, there's also the analysis, the negotiations with the districts, the agreements coming in. We're gathering as much information and we're moving the process forward. And we came to the fiscal analysis. And after all the agreements were negotiated, the final financial impacts were calculated. Uh, I went back to what I've been saying for three years now. For three years, to the City Council with our annual financial reports and our midterm budget reports. I said we're able to pay our bills. And the annual audit report confirmed that. Our ability to pay our bills is improving. As you can see, that we've been getting better and better at increasing our fund balance. But we had potential challenges in the future And I advise the council that because of our strategic planning, we had strategies that would enable us to meet those challenges of the future. So the fiscal recommendations that are coming out are all based on the strategic plan goals of fiscal stability, sustainability, and resiliency. of where our financial condition is. We can pay our bills. We can improve to pay our bills and we want to stay in that situation. And we're facing a point where in... in 2000. at the end of this fiscal year, will be structurally imbalanced. And that's because the alternatives, other than annexation, add more cost to providing fire service. |
| 01:10:02.55 | Jonathan Leone | No, sir. The public till after he's done, we'll have a public comment, period. |
| 01:10:03.05 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Thank you. Yeah. So the costs of providing fire service under any other option other than annexation increase. And the city doesn't have additional revenues to pay for that, much less revenues to meet the other challenges that are on the horizon. So annexation really is the only option. Now there was two to scenarios under the annexation option. One of those scenarios was with a parcel tax and the other scenario was without a parcel tax. Let me just kind of paint the picture. We have. Under LAFCO, they ensure that the revenues are available for the annexation, that both the city and the district are fiscally sustainable. And under the terms of the deal that had been negotiated with the district, we'll be transferring 2,969,000 in expenses. and the district will receive $2,969,250 in revenues. Those revenues will come from ambulance and permit revenues, come from the city share of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area contract, OPEB payments to the district, and transferring the city property tax in the amount of $2,667,750. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:11:26.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:27.51 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Now why this works and how this works is that we'll be taking... Right now, the city, has about $3,268,000 fire expenses. We'll be transferring $2,969,000 of fire expenses to the district. and we'll be transferring $2,667,000 in property taxes and these revenues so that the districts Increased expenses are 2 million 9. Their decreased expenses, or their increased revenues are 2 million 9. They come out exactly even. The city on the other hand reduces its expenses from 14,006,000 to 11.6 but only reduces its revenues 14,6 to 11,8. And The reason that can occur is because right now fire consumes about 55% of our property taxes. You see here that This $3,268,000 divided by $5,975,000 is 55% of our property taxes. When we're transferring, 2,667,000 divided by that is 45% of our property taxes. This gets a little confusing, so let me tell a little story. Many years ago when I was married, I had one of those variable rate mortgages. And the mortgage went up. And we didn't have the money to pay for it. My wife said, I don't know what we're going to do. And I said, well, I think the best thing for you to do is quit your job. She goes, quit my job, why? He says you're only earning $40,000 and it's costing us $50,000 for you to work. with childcare support and traveling course and babysitting services and all those others, we were able to generate an extra $10,000 in revenue to the Francis household by transferring eliminating $40,000 of revenues from our household. So that's an easy way, kind of a metaphor to look at what's happening with the city of Sausalito. We'll be transferring More. expenses out of our general fund then we're transferring revenues out of our general fund. So this doesn't have to just make sense to us, to me. It has to make sense to LAFCO. And LAFCO has a rather detailed process that they have to go through. They conduct a public hearing to consider the proposal. Then the executive officer sets the matter for an administrative protest hearing. If you direct staff to submit this application today, we'll be submitting it. October meeting The executive officer will set the matter for administrative protest hearing. The administrative protest hearing will be held in November and by January, LAFCO can order the change as they go through the process. We can get all the information on that process at the LAFCO website that details the process. The LAFCO application documents are quite comprehensive and they were all attached to the staff report and part of the agenda. They include the application which is a questionnaire, land use table, zoning map, and a land use map. Now it's important to point out there's no land use change in the city of Sausalito. Those are required submittals by LAFCO that we submit. Here's the before and here's the after. There's no land use changes. Then there'll be the first resolution you'll be considering tonight. And that first resolution is to submit the application to LAFCO for annexation of the city into the Southern Marin Fire District. And attached to that resolution is the lease of premises and equipment disposition agreement And the agreement regarding certain financial and personnel conditions. The second resolution is accepting the negotiated exchange of property tax revenues, which is the slide I just described. here. Finally, there's the plan for service. The plan for service includes all those documents up above, and that's what's submitted to LAFCO for them to be able to consider this, make the determinations that it is fiscally sustainable both for the district, and for the city, and then to hold the protestor So in summary, you're probably asking What criteria did you use to make this recommendation. And I want to go through the criteria. First, we wanted to make sure that the tax burden that that our citizens would have to would be less of a tax burden or the same tax burden that they have right now. and if we could do it. And after the agreements were all negotiated, The fiscal impacts were studied We looked at it and we said we can transfer $2,667,250 in property tax and not have to impose a parcel tax on our citizens. So not only is it an equitable tax burden, Only 45% of their current property tax dollars will be going for fire services in the future The other 10% can be used to provide other general fund services. So that's a benefit. It secures our fiscal stabilization. It doesn't fix all the challenges that we will have in the future, but it keeps us stable to be able to meet those challenges we have in the future. It protects the city's excellent and highest quality level of service delivery. Again, remember that was a very high priority from the community, from the council, and from staff. It eliminates duplication of service. That's why we can transfer less expenses out than the two agencies currently have. We removed some duplication of equipment. We lower the cost of administrative services. We won't be having to do the payroll for the Sausalito portion because right now, Sausalito does the payroll for the Sausalito employees. district does the payroll for the district employees. And we'll have transparent and accountable local control. Those are the criteria we used. And when we looked at those criteria we analyzed can we have a full city fire department at an increased cost of $1.4 million. That would cause a tax increase. Option two is file the application with NAFCO with a $90 parcel tax requirement. And again that's imposing a tax that the city is finally reached a position where we can sustain our fiscal condition without that $90 parcel tax. So we're recommending option three that we file an application with LAFCO to annex with a transfer of an additional $600,000 in property tax on what you saw at your last council meeting. So again, I want to conclude with the recommendation annexation without a parcel for all these reasons that we've covered previously in here. And in order to do that, City Council would have to make two motions. Approve the resolution of the City Council to submit an application and approve the resolution accepting a negotiated exchange. And I'll leave these up here if City Council wants to read it when they make their motion to approve. And at this point, staff is available for questions. Okay, ciao. |
| 01:18:40.96 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Do we have any questions? |
| 01:18:45.13 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:18:45.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:45.37 | Carolyn Ford | I have several questions, actually. The first one relates to the transparency issue. And, Charlie, you mentioned that the city has been so transparent about this for the last seven years. However, most of the people that I have talked to are not aware of it, and I am not aware of any public workshops that we have had. |
| 01:19:06.95 | Unknown | Christmas. |
| 01:19:18.85 | Carolyn Ford | regarding the annexation since I've been on the council, which is one and a half years. So how have we informed our public of this annexation? |
| 01:19:29.45 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Yes, um. Okay. go back to the |
| 01:19:44.60 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | I only have council meeting minutes going back to 2008, but you can see that the rest of these dates are all supported with, I mean, excerpts of minutes I have going back to 2003. of all the City Council meetings that were held. But more recently, on October 7th of 2008 is when we approved the request for proposals and on November 18th we awarded the contract to CityGate. On November 10th, 2009 was the first briefing of CityGate to the City Council. On February 23rd, 2010 there was a workshop right here in this room, invited the public to come and attend and talk about fire annexation. |
| 01:20:26.47 | Carolyn Ford | That was for city council members as I recall because... |
| 01:20:29.74 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | It was publicly noticed as a workshop. |
| 01:20:31.09 | Carolyn Ford | All of these are publicly noticed, but given the nature of this and that it's a major decision for our residents I'm questioning why we haven't had workshops to inform them of the annexation and and get everyone on board. This is... This is a major deal. Forty-five percent of our taxes are being transferred. We'll lose control of them. Wait, wait, questions and not questions. All right. I'll stick to questions. I'm just questioning the transparency on this and the fact that our residents have not even been offered one workshop, to my knowledge. |
| 01:21:01.55 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:21:14.83 | Adam Politzer | Maybe I can answer that. The study session that Charlie just mentioned was in fact the study session which was scheduled before a regular council meeting to give both the council and the public the opportunity |
| 01:21:24.89 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:21:29.48 | Adam Politzer | to have at least one hour, I think it was scheduled for longer than that, one hour focus on this particular item. I study session how at our meeting at July 26th. There was discussion about holding a public workshop, our first public workshop, because we were waiting to make sure that all the information was was available so that we could communicate it and we had scheduled that meeting to occur for this Thursday. and based on Actually, backup. We scheduled that meeting to occur prior to tonight's meeting, but, due to the council's absence in August, their planned absence when we take a break. We chose Anne from public comment. asking not to schedule public meetings in the summer months and again as you recall, we brought forward a schedule that outlined a number of public meetings that were scheduled from June through August. The Council and the public asked for us to move those items to later. And so we had I just recommended having a public meeting before tonight's council meeting so that we bring this information forward. Uh... by request of the council that that date was moved till after. We held a finance committee meeting in the room, that's the meeting that you attended last Wednesday. And at that meeting we also invited the public to attend so that they could that hear that. But going forward, if there is direction from the Council and need from the public, I won't quote Pat's comment at the Finance Committee meeting. but we are We are prepared and willing staff, obviously, to hold as many public workshops as you would like going forward, but at this moment, Um, the biggest issue that we heard from the public in all of our meetings with individuals and groups, was the parcel tax, which is now no longer a recommendation Of staff. and local control, which I think in the staff's opinion and presentation, that has been shared tonight we feel that local control has actually improved with the ability of local residents being able to run and sit on the boards that make the decision that affect us financially and operationally. So to be very specific, if the council directs us tonight to schedule public meetings here in the fall as the public had originally requested, we are happy to do so. |
| 01:24:04.17 | Carolyn Ford | well I think that's too late I think that we need to have workshops before we approve and send this measure to LAFCO and I'd like to know how many public persons you met with. I mean, what percentage of our population has been notified of this event? |
| 01:24:21.97 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:24:28.69 | Jonathan Leone | Carolyn, you asked her to continue to not hold these meetings during the summer at the public workshop. Yes, I did. |
| 01:24:28.71 | Carolyn Ford | Carolyn, you asked for this issue. |
| 01:24:33.41 | Carolyn Ford | yes I did yes because most people are on vacation in the summer and their way but now that under this program where we're not to the public cannot vote there's no reason that we cannot hold I am questions I I ask I ask at point of order I ask our city manager how many people he had talked to |
| 01:24:50.56 | Unknown | hold. |
| 01:25:01.18 | Carolyn Ford | trying to get an idea of what percentage of our population is aware of this? |
| 01:25:11.37 | Adam Politzer | I really can't answer that question. The specific question you just asked at the end, how many people are aware of this, I don't know. I can't do that. I can't answer that question. provided information that when we gave them additional information, they were supportive at 62% of annexation. When we talked about taxing, that slide also says that people favored a parcel tax over any other of the options there. So I think that we went out reached out to the public through the professional polling firm that we hired. I think that we as best as possible made sure that all of our public meetings Council meetings were made available to the public. There are two particular individuals that met with us and staff on numerous occasions, and that's John Flavin and Pat Zook. There are others that have participated at a variety of levels. Um, I think that staff, has consistently said our door is open to meet at any time, anywhere. and we've done that. I think one would also make the argument that because there hasn't been a lot of people attending We put this out in the loop. the MarinScope, the IJ, I have done a number of articles on this. and as mentioned before, the grand jury. the Marin IJ editorial board have all endorsed the the actions that we are recommending on annexation. So I think that staff is confident that the majority of the public is now aware of this. have been provided the opportunity to participate And going forward, We would be happy to sit down with anybody, anytime, anywhere, to continue this discussion. That can be at a formal workshop. Or as Charlie has offered, we would be happy to come to your living room and meet with you with your neighbors and have this discussion. |
| 01:27:06.15 | Herb Weiner | Okay, questions. |
| 01:27:08.63 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, I'll continue Mr. Mayor. Regarding the best practices, Charlie? Yes, ma'am. |
| 01:27:18.18 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | Yes, ma'am. |
| 01:27:21.19 | Carolyn Ford | Did you happen to read the Wall Street Journal article on the 29th? No. About consolidations, wherein they said that it points to several reports that mergers and consolidations don't save money and often end up costing more money. The idea that mergers save money is turned on its head when you look at the data. And so I'm just saying that I question what you are saying about... I'm asking him a question. |
| 01:27:25.84 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | No. |
| 01:27:44.12 | Unknown | And so I'm just saying, |
| 01:27:51.76 | Mike Kelly | to |
| 01:27:53.62 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, I am. Just told him. You're making statements. No, I'm. And are you aware then of the objections and the problems that are happening on the peninsula? Because there have been numerous articles about that as well in terms of fire consolidations. |
| 01:28:12.30 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | I am aware of instances where they go wrong and I'm more aware of instances where they are wildly successful. And I don't think organizations that are professional city managers, professional city finance directors, would be making best practices out of situations that aren't anything but what's in the best interest of their respected jurisdictions. And so I was referring to the studies that are published in journals, not the Wall Street Journal that's news, but journals that are management science, journals that are public finance, and those publications where people that are in the management business look for successful best practices in managing cities. |
| 01:28:57.83 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, what I'm referring to is a consultant, a renowned consultant who did a full study for the townships. |
| 01:29:05.03 | Unknown | Wait, question. You can do that in your community. |
| 01:29:09.44 | Carolyn Ford | Well, I think that we need to... Excuse me. |
| 01:29:10.70 | Herb Weiner | Excuse me. Here, excuse me. I just have to follow my agenda, and it says here, questions. There's a big difference between a question and a statement. |
| 01:29:17.59 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, fine. Point taken. |
| 01:29:21.98 | Adam Politzer | you Ms. Ford, can I respond to the Peninsula question? Because there have been articles in the paper about the Peninsula. And the most recent, and I met with the city manager of Belmont, where I formerly worked, |
| 01:29:22.94 | Herb Weiner | Well, then use it. |
| 01:29:37.30 | Adam Politzer | and the most recent is the JPA between Belmont and San Carlos. San Carlos and Belmont have been in a relationship for a number of years. And just recently, San Carlos went out to ask their residents to support A parcel tax. It failed. San Carlos is now asking County Fire to take over their fire department because Belmont and San Carlos are now divorced. Belmont is now looking for a new partner. to share fire services with. be it San Mateo, Burlingame, Millbrae, And at this moment in time they haven't found another partner that's willing to to share services with them. So they've now inherited all their firefighters, that used to be part of the JPA, they don't have the funds for it, And that is an example currently right now in the peninsula between two pretty well off community, St. Carlos and Elmont, and their home values. right there with Oracle as their waterfront neighbor. that are having a very difficult time moving forward. with fire services because of the instability of JPA. I have a question. |
| 01:30:43.69 | Mike Kelly | I have a question. That's not a consolidation. That was a JPA. Is that correct? |
| 01:30:49.31 | Carolyn Ford | We're not in the point of order. We're not in discussion. That's a question. |
| 01:30:50.00 | Mike Kelly | That's correct. That's a point of order. |
| 01:30:52.70 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, but we're not in discussion here at all. I think we have to have one. I mean, if the city manager can discuss it and I can't. You have to run this meeting. |
| 01:30:53.47 | Unknown | We're not in discussion here at all. |
| 01:30:55.19 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:30:56.60 | Unknown | I think it's the city. |
| 01:30:58.03 | Herb Weiner | Excuse me. You have to run this meeting. You have to run this meeting, not Caroline. How many minutes are we on? |
| 01:31:01.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:01.84 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:31:01.93 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:31:01.96 | Jonathan Leone | on this meeting. |
| 01:31:02.77 | Carolyn Ford | How many minutes? |
| 01:31:06.81 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:31:07.75 | Carolyn Ford | No, we are on questions, and I will proceed, and I'll proceed a little faster. Okay, so the city, I'm sure the city manager and the city finance director has given this a lot of thought. But what were your thoughts about removing residents' opportunity to vote on this? It's a key issue. Why shouldn't residents be involved in this vote? Why shouldn't they have a vote? |
| 01:31:44.40 | Adam Politzer | I can answer that and if Charlie would like to add to it, he's welcome too. The... I think that what needs to be clarified again is the schedule that was brought before the council. Um, when we talked about the process. The vote. |
| 01:31:59.61 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 01:31:59.62 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Vote. |
| 01:31:59.98 | Kayla Conn | Oh. |
| 01:32:00.74 | Adam Politzer | that was gonna be the public vote was on to tax themselves or not to tax themselves. LAFCO is holding the public hearing to decide if we should annex or not. Yes. LAFCO reviews the application and finds that operationally, It's not balanced or stable. or financially based on what we're providing to them in the application been provided to you and the public this evening. If they find that financially it's not responsible. stable, or balanced. they will deny the application and there will be no need for any additional hearings on the matter. So what's before LAFCO is actually before LAFCO is the decision to annex or not. what we were proposing to the voters was a parcel tax. how to pay for this. And so once we through the process of meeting and conferring with our employees, meeting with Southern Marin and going through the process of negotiating all the various deal points. we recognize that we now had |
| 01:33:01.40 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:33:03.98 | Adam Politzer | $184,000 surplus by doing the property tax transfer rather than requiring a parcel tax. So once we recognized we didn't need to tax our residents, we took that off of the table, which now wasn't a requirement of LAFCO for their approval. |
| 01:33:20.71 | Carolyn Ford | Well, the problem with this, or may I ask how you can rectify that with all the newspaper articles saying the residents will have the right an opportunity to vote on this and the city constantly telling residents that they will have an opportunity to vote on this during this process. How, when will residents find out that they don't have an opportunity to vote on this? |
| 01:33:50.07 | Adam Politzer | I think the residents have always been told that they have the opportunity to participate in this process including to protest. Because the LAFCO, if you don't want annexation, and you want a JPA, contract for service or a stand-alone fire department you have the opportunity to have your vote and voice counted through LAFCO. If you are for annexation, but your concern is how are we going to pay for it, then your choice would lack of what we were promising the people is that if we were gonna tax the people $90, they were gonna have the opportunity to vote on it. We're now telling the people that we aren't there is no need to tax the people, so there's no need for them to vote on if we want to be taxed. So we can put on the ballot the option to tax themselves. If it fails, then staff would be still making the recommendation to transfer the property tax. We're telling the residents, the council, that there's no need for the residents to be taxed to pay for it when at the end of the process of negotiating with our firefighters, Association. when negotiating with the the Southern Marin Fire District we've come to the conclusion that the city can save $184,000 a year in the property tax transfer. |
| 01:35:06.67 | Carolyn Ford | Excuse me, I do have a question regarding that, Mr. Policer. You said that you could put it on the ballot. and that if the residents did not approve it, the city would still be recommending that we do this, that we go through the annexation. |
| 01:35:29.11 | Adam Politzer | What we would be putting on the ballot is a $90 parcel tax. What LAFCO will hear in October is our application. And then LAFCO and the public has the opportunity to participate. |
| 01:35:34.02 | Carolyn Ford | I understand that part. |
| 01:35:42.48 | Adam Politzer | They have the opportunity to register their protests And if 51% of the public protests, then we won't annex with Southern Marines. |
| 01:35:52.36 | Carolyn Ford | But what you are recommending is that we not go with the $90 parcel tax, so voters will not have a chance. |
| 01:35:53.04 | Adam Politzer | Next question. |
| 01:36:00.40 | Jonathan Leone | Property taxpayers will have a chance to protest. To protest. Yes, I understand. |
| 01:36:00.46 | Carolyn Ford | property taxed. |
| 01:36:04.48 | Carolyn Ford | To protest. Yes, I understand. Their preference at the LAFCO hearing is an |
| 01:36:07.03 | Unknown | at the LAFCO hearing. Right. Is an effective vote. |
| 01:36:08.80 | Carolyn Ford | Wouldn't you agree that protesting is a far cry from being able to vote on it? Most people are so busy with their everyday lives that they're not tuned into this kind of thing. And I again get back to transparency. |
| 01:36:26.47 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, again, I would state the opposite. I think that the process that we have taken for the past four years, four years that I've been the city manager, has tried to be as transparent and inclusive as we possibly can And I think that's noted by the number Uh. Council meetings that we've held on this are open to meet with the public anytime, anywhere. and to make sure this information went out in our saucer little currents, our flexibility on not holding workshops when the public asks us to schedule them for a later date. We are not asking the council to tax our residents or even give them the choice to tax themselves because we don't think that that's financially responsible. for us to continue to provide the high level of service to our community. The LAFCO process is a process, as Charlie mentioned, |
| 01:37:14.66 | Kayla Conn | It's a process. |
| 01:37:17.08 | Adam Politzer | It's in every county. and it gives the public the opportunity to participate. They're able to attend the hearings, they're able to make their voices on the record, They're able to rally voters. and residents to support or not support but I guess what is confusing to me is that I'm hearing that we should jeopardize annexing with Southern Marin so that we can tax our residence either the $90 or more if we were to move to the JPA or the contract for service. or a standalone service. So I think that the staff, trying to be responsible in protecting our financial resources, and provide the highest level of service to our community. And that's the best answer that I can provide. |
| 01:38:02.52 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, then I have another answer for either, or question for either of you, and that is why has staff not pursued setting up a financial oversight committee that has composed the residents as was done for the construction of the safety buildings? After all, |
| 01:38:02.57 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 01:38:24.58 | Carolyn Ford | We have a great track record with that. |
| 01:38:27.28 | Adam Politzer | As Councilmember Ford knows, because I have had conversations with her saying that I have made efforts and I continue to make efforts to form that committee, this was discussed with the um, with staff, it was stuffed with the committee that represents the council on the two by two. and the response was that our financial statements. our audited statements as well as the financial statements of Southern Marin. and their audited statements was good enough. I can't get you three votes. I know that there are two, but there was never three. And so even though staff was doing with supporting Councilmember Ford's recommendation. There wasn't council support. |
| 01:39:17.06 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. All right. Who was the financial consultant mentioned in the report that helps staff with this latest 45% transfer? |
| 01:39:35.22 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | CityGate, it would have been Dwayne Mills. |
| 01:39:37.98 | Carolyn Ford | I see. Okay, thank you. |
| 01:39:38.00 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Thank you. Bye. Listen. |
| 01:39:45.15 | Carolyn Ford | Also in the staff report, it mentions that the city has spoken to towns about mergers. instead of contracts for services. Can you tell me why we weren't talking to them about contracts for services? |
| 01:40:02.48 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. I've talked to Mill Valley and Tiburon And technically, I've talked to all of the managers in the county because I brought this item up at the Marin Manager's monthly meeting. There was no interest. in mergers, annexation, shared services with any of our nearby cities, including Corte Madera, Larkspur, Tiburon, and Mill Valley. I talked to the administrator of the county, Matthew Heimel, And he said that they were only interested if we were looking at a reduction in service because as we heard earlier from CityGate, the Marin City Station is obviously not staffed at the level that we would require it to be staffed to help. So maybe I wasn't specific or clear when that question was asked before. It was not to represent that we were only talking about staff. uh, shared services or mergers. But I will also respond that we had our chief at several meetings back talk about shared services and things that the Southern Marin is exploring. not just to serve Southern Marin, but also to serve San Salivo. |
| 01:41:11.57 | Carolyn Ford | . Some of my questions are for the benefit of the public and the people watching the fire discussion. So I would like to ask CityGate, our consultant, a financial question, please. |
| 01:41:15.45 | Kayla Conn | Mmm. |
| 01:41:27.79 | Carolyn Ford | you about your report. |
| 01:41:33.88 | Unknown | Six minutes, I thought. |
| 01:41:41.42 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, on page 29 of your latest report, which was in April, and it's page 151 of 5A, which is what we're discussing now of our staff report. It shows a net increase to Sausalito compared to our current contract if we were to extend our current contract it shows a net increase of seven hundred and sixty one thousand dollars six hundred fifty one So, That would be an increase over what we are paying today, considerably increase going forward. if we were to continue with the current agreement, which I understand the fire district has withdrawn their |
| 01:42:36.72 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | They're... |
| 01:42:38.75 | Carolyn Ford | their willingness to do that, but that is correct, right? |
| 01:42:41.73 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | There are two aspects to to a contract. |
| 01:42:44.45 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:42:46.34 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | One is if you were to, if the district were willing to continue the current arrangement, which is a contract. Yes, that's what I'm speaking of. Which is a contract only for headquarters services. Right. While the line staff remains on the city's payroll. Yes, that's what I'm asking. Would that be $761? That net cost increase would be about $400,000. |
| 01:42:51.61 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, that's what I'm speaking of. |
| 01:42:56.35 | Carolyn Ford | Right. Yes, that's what I'm asking. Would that be $7601? Oh. |
| 01:43:07.98 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | if there is a full contract for- |
| 01:43:09.60 | Carolyn Ford | So that's different than the full, what you have here, 761? Will you let him answer the question? |
| 01:43:12.95 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | No, you're missing. |
| 01:43:14.98 | Jonathan Leone | Did you let him answer the question? |
| 01:43:17.44 | Carolyn Ford | Relax. No, I mean, you're asking rhetorical questions you already know the answer to, but you're not letting people |
| 01:43:18.44 | Jonathan Leone | No, I mean, you're asking rhetorical questions you already know the answer to, but you're not letting people answer you. |
| 01:43:22.99 | Mike Kelly | Nobody else is able to talk. |
| 01:43:25.14 | Carolyn Ford | No, when I'm finished, everyone else can talk. But I have my questions. And what I see here is that the net increase to Sausalito compared |
| 01:43:27.85 | Linda Pfeifer | . |
| 01:43:28.02 | Mike Kelly | Oh! |
| 01:43:28.07 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:43:29.57 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:43:29.59 | Linda Pfeifer | We maintain here. |
| 01:43:35.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:43:35.21 | Linda Pfeifer | uh, |
| 01:43:37.32 | Carolyn Ford | with our current contract is 761,000. And if we were to go for a full contract, it would cost us 849,000. So... |
| 01:43:49.18 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | Yeah. May I explain the title? Yes. |
| 01:43:51.16 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, please. |
| 01:43:52.17 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | Yeah. The illustration of a current contract arrangement really was intended to say If you were simply to merge the two operations as they currently exist, what would be the net increase? And the net increase of merging the two operations entirely was 761,000. If you went to a contract for service, where what the district would request is that you pay your fair share then that fair share would be about $850,000. There really is no It would be a great act of generosity on the part of the district. to merge the operations and only result in a net increase to you of 761,000. What the district would do is the same thing that we see in most mergers in the state of California. is they would charge you a formula. That formula would be based on the relative population, assessed value, calls for service, so that the total merged cost of the two operations, when combined, you would pay 34% of that combination. And that would be a net increase of $850,000, $849,853, and 0910 costs than you are currently paying today. And the reason for that is because the district is giving you a real subsidized deal. Currently they're charging you about $110,000 a year for headquarters services. If they were to be charging the full cost for headquarters services, it would be over $500,000. If you merged the two operations and you were to contract with them for full services, you no longer had firefighters on your payroll. The net cost increase to you would be approximately $850,000 a year. This compares then to the next level that we looked at, which is reinstating your full fire department, a cost increase |
| 01:45:58.97 | Carolyn Ford | of substantially higher. |
| 01:46:00.30 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | of substantially higher. |
| 01:46:02.87 | Unknown | Yes. Thank you. |
| 01:46:03.66 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. No, I'm not. I'm asking for him to answer this question. |
| 01:46:04.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:46:04.84 | Herb Weiner | I'm asking for him to answer this question. When you ask, excuse me, I'm still the mayor. When you ask him a question, let him finish his question, and then if you want to ask him again something else, that's fine, but let him finish. |
| 01:46:09.62 | Kayla Conn | Hey. Thank you. |
| 01:46:10.53 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 01:46:11.59 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:46:21.06 | Carolyn Ford | I'm just concerned about time. |
| 01:46:22.51 | Herb Weiner | Well, we're often, if you're concerned about time, |
| 01:46:26.78 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:46:27.15 | Herb Weiner | Well, folks, I hope you are ready to spend about |
| 01:46:27.20 | Carolyn Ford | Love for you. |
| 01:46:30.93 | Herb Weiner | Another four hours here, I've talked about time, but Go ahead. finish your |
| 01:46:36.58 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | No. Okay. The last alternative we looked at was reinstating your full fire department, which in 0910 dollars was just short of 1.3 million and in more current costs is closer to 1.4 million. |
| 01:46:42.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:46:50.27 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, when we talked about this before, we talked about whether or not the 400,000 at the Golden Gate National Recreation Area is paying Southern Marin Fire was included in these figures and you said no it was not. Is that still the case? It was not. |
| 01:47:12.12 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | It was not in these figures, but that contract was arrived at after we had done this core study. the Golden Gate National Recreation contract numbers are in the final negotiation numbers that are in the plan for service and were in the report that Mr. Francis just gave you this evening. Yes. And so if you look at the... |
| 01:47:32.88 | Carolyn Ford | evening. Yes. So if you looked at this well That, I guess my question is, my second question regarding this is for our chief, our fire chief. Thank you. Thank you for answering those questions. |
| 01:47:54.65 | Jonathan Leone | Before you sit down, can you just, as we asked Stuart earlier, to just go through your experience and also your financial analysis skills and all that kind of stuff, which has been called into question here. |
| 01:47:55.90 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 01:48:04.05 | Unknown | you |
| 01:48:04.11 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:48:06.93 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | I've been in local government work for something over 40 years. I was a city manager for 22 of those, 10 with the city of Stockton. I have a doctorate from USC in public administration with an emphasis in public finance. I retired from the city of Stockton in 2001, working with CityGate for 10 years, and have done fire merger analysis. something over 70 or 80 different agencies over the last 10 years, along with doing some analysis of full city efficiency and effectiveness studies for all city departments during that 10-year period. Most of the firework has been with my friend and partner here, Stu Geary. |
| 01:48:54.94 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. And for our Fire Chief, I have a couple questions, if I might. Um, |
| 01:49:10.38 | Carolyn Ford | We learned at our meeting before we recess that the fire board had withdrawn its its offer to enter into an agreement with Sausalito. |
| 01:49:25.06 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:49:27.16 | Carolyn Ford | It was an option. Excuse me. I have the floor. have withdrawn the option to have continue an agreement with Sausalito. And that... |
| 01:49:32.22 | Sergeant Frost | Have you? |
| 01:49:46.19 | Carolyn Ford | That was done very abruptly, it seemed to me, after we all along had been given options of the annexation. the continuing a contract at JPA or going back to our regular Fire station. Could you explain once again for the benefit of the public why that offer was withdrawn? |
| 01:50:16.55 | Mike Kelly | Jim, before you do, let me make a statement of fact. In 2006, and we... No, this is point of order. Point of order. He's making a comment. Statement of fact. 2006, a letter was issued by your board. |
| 01:50:20.47 | Linda Pfeifer | This is comment order. He's making a comment. Thank you. I love it. |
| 01:50:26.03 | Unknown | I was just asked. |
| 01:50:26.86 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:50:26.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:26.89 | Jonathan Leone | You're a boy. Amen. |
| 01:50:27.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:27.97 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 01:50:28.02 | Jonathan Leone | Just put it. It's pretend it's Jeopardy as she's doing and make it in the form of a question. |
| 01:50:32.83 | Mike Kelly | All right. Did not your board give us a letter in 2006 which said that there was consolidation or nothing available to us? Yeah. |
| 01:50:41.80 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | That is correct. Our district has been very clear from the start that we're interested in annexation. We have considered something else and part of that was if the parcel tax didn't fail, |
| 01:50:42.20 | Mike Kelly | Our district has been |
| 01:50:57.32 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | but, During the joint meeting, of the city and the district. It was very clear to our district board that there are people on this council who were opposing that tax measure. and opposing this in general of annexation. So the district board felt that they didn't want to go into a partnership with an agency that was working against what they were trying to accomplish. As we talked about earlier, you brought the issue down in Belmont and San Carlos. And that was a long-term JPA that fell apart. JPAs have a history of falling apart. They do it all over the place. Southern Marin Fire does not want to get into a JPA or contract for service where one-third of our employees work at the whim of a council of five people. |
| 01:51:49.24 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:51:49.31 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | Thank you. |
| 01:51:49.45 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Thank you. One other question. Who is the first responder to the Golden Gate National Recreation Area's request or fire services? |
| 01:51:59.34 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | The first responder would be the engine out of Saucyuta fire station. |
| 01:52:02.22 | Carolyn Ford | The fire station. And they are paying you $400,000, you being the Southern Fire District, $400,000 a year for that. And Sausalito gets how much of it? |
| 01:52:16.43 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | They are paying us $400,000 a year to provide a complete fire department. as Stu pointed out earlier, Saustado has five people on duty. That is not a complete fire |
| 01:52:31.45 | Adam Politzer | But okay. Councilmember Ford, if I can just ask Jim to clarify, because your question was how much of that money did Sausalito receive? So we, with that 400,000, we've agreed to hire the fire marshal. Do you want to expand that? That is correct. |
| 01:52:46.64 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | That is correct. What we agreed to do is with that $400,000, we hired a fire marshal who works out of the Sausalito Fire Station. The predominance of our fire inspection problems and fire prevention problems are in Sausalito. As I think you're aware, Sausalito has a larger commercial area than the rest of Southern Marin does. Most of Southern Marin's area is simply residential with some small pockets. |
| 01:53:14.14 | Carolyn Ford | Isn't that a service that we have been contracting at instead of hiring a full-time employee? |
| 01:53:20.23 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | We've been contracting it out and somewhat unsuccessful. |
| 01:53:24.86 | Adam Politzer | Let me clarify that. going back to Councilmember, or Vice Mayor Kelly's comment One of the disputes between the district and the city was on fire marshal service. One of the fire chiefs going back to 2004 was Chief Stone and Chief Stone was the one that was performing those duties when Chief Stone left. there was no one that had that ability, so we were scrambling to look at how to accommodate that. As this discussion on annexation and working together moving forward. we agreed to have that fold into the annexation process and to put aside the difference, of how we were doing that. So as Chief Irving has just mentioned, We were trying to do that under contract with Mill Valley. It didn't work. We were talking about charging a fee to our businesses and to our residents. Again, when people come through the design review process for home improvements, We have to have a fire inspector to go out there, and some members of our council are familiar with it. and look at fire safety including sprinklers. So we've been working with Southern Marin to achieve this when when the Park Service came forward and we negotiated that $400,000. Again, this is something that Chief Irving and I did together. that was able to help us address the vacancy that we had in this position It funded it. It provided a huge benefit for Sausalito, again, because all of these businesses, the small to the large, our school district, all had to be inspected on an annual basis and that meant that our men and women We're doing that in house and now we have the ability with a dedicated staff member |
| 01:55:16.67 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Just questioning the finances there. The other thing that I would like you to explain please for the benefit of the public is how board members are elected in the district. |
| 01:55:32.82 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | How they're elected, they're elected like you're elected. At large. At large, correct. |
| 01:55:37.18 | Carolyn Ford | At large. in the district so that if we are combined with Tam, Tiburon, not Tiburon, Tam, Strawberry, we will be, we'll all be voting on a certain number of candidates to be elected to the board. Okay, and I'm going to go ahead and say, In doing that, Well, the second question that goes along with that is, does Southern Marin Fire District have plans to expand? |
| 01:56:16.12 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | Potential, yes. |
| 01:56:17.35 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, and you are talking to Corte Madera? We are talking with Corte Madera. |
| 01:56:19.70 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | We are talking with Corte Madera at present. We're trying to work a JPA simply for sharing of battalion chiefs with them. That is currently on hold. |
| 01:56:29.45 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. But your plans have been to expand, are to expand. |
| 01:56:34.47 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | If Court of Madera is interested, yes. Okay. If Court of Madera is not, we're done. |
| 01:56:34.94 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. Okay. Okay, well this, I would think that if Corte Madera, if you do expand, Sausalito has a minority voice. Well, right now actually, Sausalito |
| 01:56:53.03 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | Well, right now actually Sostenito has the majority voice. Thank you. |
| 01:56:56.67 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 01:56:57.04 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | because Sausalito is a single community. If you look at the rest of our district, You don't have like a big lump that is Southern Marin. You have people in Tamalpais Valley, you have people in El Monte, You have people in Homestead Valley. You have people in Strawberry and people in Tiburon. Sausalito is currently or would be the largest chunk within Southern Marin. |
| 01:57:18.24 | Adam Politzer | Can I ask that? |
| 01:57:19.10 | Carolyn Ford | Excuse me, may I clarify this? Sausalito is the largest chunk land-wise, but voter-wise, I'm talking about votes and- |
| 01:57:19.13 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | to that. |
| 01:57:20.26 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:57:20.30 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | Thank you. |
| 01:57:30.73 | Jonathan Leone | I'm talking about... |
| 01:57:31.47 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | as well. |
| 01:57:31.98 | Jonathan Leone | If you don't think those communities believe that they're individual, you haven't gone through Tam Valley and Strawberry. |
| 01:57:32.23 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. |
| 01:57:37.61 | Carolyn Ford | I'm sorry. |
| 01:57:37.66 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | What I'm saying is Saucelieu is larger than Tam Valley. Saucelieu is larger than Almonte. Saucelieu is larger than Homestead. |
| 01:57:37.93 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:57:37.98 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 01:57:38.12 | Carolyn Ford | I'm sorry. |
| 01:57:38.44 | Jonathan Leone | I'm not saying it. Thank you. |
| 01:57:39.05 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:57:39.10 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:57:39.18 | Carolyn Ford | I'm sorry. |
| 01:57:42.35 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. Yeah. Okay, you're breaking it down. Strawberry and... |
| 01:57:45.37 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | Strawberry. |
| 01:57:47.42 | Carolyn Ford | Fine. |
| 01:57:47.80 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | Those people do not vote as a block. |
| 01:57:50.18 | Carolyn Ford | OK, well, neither does Sausalito. I don't think I need to mention that. |
| 01:57:54.98 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | Bye. |
| 01:57:55.03 | Unknown | They're more likely to. |
| 01:57:58.15 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, so the issue is this. If you expand, if you continue to expand, Sausalito will Being such a small town, if you should even think of bringing in Cordo Madero, Sausalito will have absolutely no control. I don't believe that. Okay, well, that's my point because we will be looking at |
| 01:58:14.36 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | I don't believe that. OK, well, that's my Thank you. That's funny. |
| 01:58:21.42 | Carolyn Ford | an expanded district and will be voting for the board members at large. So, the control issue comes up. |
| 01:58:28.02 | Adam Politzer | So, the control issue comes back. Can I just ask Jim to clarify that? Because what Chief Irving said a moment ago when you asked about their relationship with Corte Madera, his response was that they're talking about shared services in the form of a JPA. with battalion chief services. They're not talking about annexation. |
| 01:58:46.38 | Kayla Conn | X. |
| 01:58:47.56 | Adam Politzer | of Cora Madera into the district. So there is a difference there between shared services and |
| 01:58:51.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:51.25 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:58:53.82 | Adam Politzer | and the battalion chief versus annexation. |
| 01:58:57.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:57.84 | Adam Politzer | if you wanted to ask your question a little bit differently. after the JPA is their plans to annex Cora Madera, that would be a more specific question. |
| 01:59:07.76 | Carolyn Ford | I have asked the chief this question before and at a couple of meetings before, and he said yes. I'm just that their plans are to expand. And so I'm just getting this as clarification for the public. Okay. I think I've asked all of my questions. Okay. Anybody else? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:59:30.69 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Anybody else? Thank you. |
| 01:59:33.63 | Unknown | Go ahead. |
| 01:59:35.18 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:59:35.21 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, may I? Go ahead. Thank you. |
| 01:59:35.84 | Carolyn Ford | THE END OF Thank you. |
| 01:59:36.78 | Unknown | Go ahead. |
| 01:59:37.29 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:59:39.47 | Linda Pfeifer | So before I jump into my questions, Charlie, thank you for the presentation. |
| 01:59:46.18 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:59:46.44 | Linda Pfeifer | And just to get back to, in the very beginning, Council Member Ford asked a question about the survey, the initial survey, and said that it was her recollection that the biggest issue was development. That was from my recollection too. Wasn't that the case? I'm asking the same question. |
| 02:00:04.74 | Unknown | Hmm. |
| 02:00:08.10 | Debbie (Clerk) | same question that was just asking. |
| 02:00:10.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:00:12.07 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | I'm just trying to... When surveys are taken, they usually... The way it was explained to us, and you may have a copy of it there with you too, |
| 02:00:12.85 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:00:21.43 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | How the survey works is they usually ask a couple of questions to get the respondent comfortable with the survey. And the first question that they ask is, how do you feel about the community? And if they want to say that there are some issues that concern them, then they can list those issues and in this case they listed them as what percent answered them. 13 percent answered waterfront development which is not a big overwhelming majority number. But those kinds of numbers weren't the scientific part, they were the part that leads up to the purpose of the survey. The purpose of the survey was fire protection services and how high do you rank those services in relation to other city services. |
| 02:00:49.77 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:00:49.95 | Ron Albert | Thank you. |
| 02:00:50.04 | Kayla Conn | THE END OF |
| 02:01:01.87 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. |
| 02:01:06.42 | Linda Pfeifer | TO OTHER STATES. Thank you, Charlie. I didn't mean to take us in that. I just wanted to clarify that because waterfront development, 13% is small, but it was the highest ranking in the list. So, on to my question. So, the first question is, I'm hearing parcel tax. Is it parcel tax or is it a – I know we're not talking about that now, but before |
| 02:01:09.60 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Welcome. |
| 02:01:23.59 | Kayla Conn | is a person. |
| 02:01:29.02 | Linda Pfeifer | And the poll went out, it was a parcel tax. Is it a unit tax or is it a parcel tax? |
| 02:01:34.08 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Oh, it was $90 per unit. |
| 02:01:36.09 | Linda Pfeifer | per unit. |
| 02:01:36.86 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Yeah. |
| 02:01:37.02 | Linda Pfeifer | AND THEN. |
| 02:01:37.03 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | If there was two units on a parcel, that would be? Each unit would pay $90. |
| 02:01:41.47 | Linda Pfeifer | So to clarify that for the residents then the difference between a parcel tax and a unit tax is that if your single family home, you'd pay you know, per unit. one, like $90. But if you're a duplex on one parcel, you would pay $180 because it's $90. Right. |
| 02:01:58.31 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Yeah. I mean technically it's a parcel tax with a formula based on number of units. |
| 02:01:59.58 | Linda Pfeifer | I mean, |
| 02:02:04.19 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, so it's per unit. So the reason why I think that's important is because I personally think that when we use the term... Question. Okay. So just to confirm that difference because I think that's an important distinction. So my question is now we're shifting from this, you know, per unit tax to, you know, |
| 02:02:04.20 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | you Yeah. |
| 02:02:13.87 | Herb Weiner | Question. |
| 02:02:29.47 | Linda Pfeifer | a formula where we're looking at 45% of our property tax. Right? 45% of our property tax. |
| 02:02:38.75 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | As opposed to 55% that we're currently paying. |
| 02:02:41.77 | Linda Pfeifer | but 45% of our property tax. in the future. Let's say that this goes forward. In the future, is there anything that could prevent Southern Marin Fire District from also levying a future Unit tag. |
| 02:03:02.00 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | You know tax, right? There's the... Okay, parcel tax. |
| 02:03:02.94 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. Parcel text. |
| 02:03:07.35 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | There's horizontal. equity. that will be maintained in the future. Southern Marin Fire District had need of an additional unit tax on every parcel, they would then raise ten, let's just say it was $10. So in the district, their unit tax per parcel would go to $100, and City of Sausalito would go to $10. That horizontal inequity would always be maintained. But have to also reconcile that if there was a need or request by the Southern Marin Fire District for an increment of $10 or more that they would still be subject to the Prop 218 hearing process and the voters of Sausalito would have their opportunity to say yes or no to that parcel tax |
| 02:03:55.65 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you, Charlie. So just to confirm my understanding, that if we gave them 45% of our property tax revenue, they could still come back and in future years levy a parcel tax on us on top of that. As they could. |
| 02:04:08.79 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | As they could in the rest of the district. Okay, thank you. |
| 02:04:10.48 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, thank you. My next question is... |
| 02:04:11.39 | Unknown | you And it's all approved by the voters. |
| 02:04:15.41 | Linda Pfeifer | I hear that loud and clear, of course, if they're the only game in town and it's do you want fire service or not. What kind of choice is that? |
| 02:04:15.42 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:04:15.88 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Thank you. |
| 02:04:23.74 | Linda Pfeifer | you My next question is, I understand that Southern Marin Fire would, excuse me, DeCorn please, point of order, would pick up a 3.2 pension liability for Sausalito's transferred firefighters. But my question is, will Sausalito property taxpayers be responsible for footing the bill for the past accrued pension benefit costs of Southern Marin Fire personnel? |
| 02:04:25.84 | Unknown | that Southern Marin Fire would, excuse me, |
| 02:04:50.05 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | When the city of Sausalito firefighters become Southern Marin Fire District firefighters. We were transferring 45 percent of the property tax and equivalent amount of revenue to cover that incremental new cost for just those 15 employees and the related cost for them. So the the The pension cost in MSERA for those 15 would only be the future cost. The past cost of Southern Marin Fire District as in the other Southern Marin Fire District expenses. |
| 02:05:24.15 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay, so my question is, let me clarify this because I want to make sure. If the 15 firefighters transfer to the Southern Marin Fire District, the Sausalito property taxpayer is still on the hook for the past accrued benefits under CalPERS for the Sausalito firefighters prior to their leaving to Southern Marin District. |
| 02:05:51.34 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | As Sausalito would be if the firefighters stayed here. Correct. |
| 02:05:54.40 | Linda Pfeifer | Correct. And in addition, when or if this annexation goes through, property taxpayer also on the hook assuming annexation for the past accrued benefits of the Southern Marin Fire District, the Battalion Chiefs, the Captains, etc. prior to the annexation. |
| 02:06:16.35 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Again, we're transferring only the amount of property tax that covers the incremental new costs, future going forward, of the current firefighters. if this whole Southern Marin Fire District needed a tax increase, then the taxpayers would approve or disapprove of that tax increase. |
| 02:06:33.93 | Linda Pfeifer | But you understand what I'm saying. No, I don't. Well, I'm sorry. |
| 02:06:36.35 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | No, I don't. |
| 02:06:38.05 | Linda Pfeifer | If we are going through this annexation, right, well now we have all of the administrative personnel under Southern Marin fire. We've got the battalion chiefs, the captains, and they've been there for, you know, A decade or so longer, right? Three years. And they've got a pension liability, an unfunded pension liability, right? And my question is, do we concur that that liability. |
| 02:07:04.44 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | The city of Sausalito does not incur that liability. |
| 02:07:06.20 | Linda Pfeifer | for that liability. |
| 02:07:07.19 | Neil Whitelaw | So, yeah. |
| 02:07:07.33 | Linda Pfeifer | What do you see? |
| 02:07:08.04 | Neil Whitelaw | We're going to be tax payers. |
| 02:07:08.69 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:07:08.95 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | has that liability. But the City of Sausalito residents are only transferring the incremental revenues that the district will occur. going forward. And if there was a need by the district for more revenues, Sausalito taxpayers would be able to vote yes or no for any kind of tax increase in the future. |
| 02:07:26.85 | Linda Pfeifer | in the future. I'm taking that as a yes. So my next question is, |
| 02:07:32.62 | Jonathan Leone | point of clarification if I want because I'm a little confused as you were on that last point. If I can ask Charlie. So at the end of the day |
| 02:07:35.90 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:07:39.59 | Jonathan Leone | um, even in a contract for service where you're contracting out for backfill employees or somebody's out at sick leave or disability, what have you, because we're being backfilled by some of the Southern Marine personnel now. In effect, what they would charge us for the use of those people would include any additional costs for providing that service. I mean, you can't get something for free at the end of the day. In a sense, we have been up to this point in time because they've been pushing towards for consolidation. They've been giving us sort of a negotiated rate of cost, but now they're saying even if we wanted to, we would charge you more because it costs us more to deliver those services. |
| 02:08:17.78 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | If I was doing their cost accounting, I would be recommending a rate that would include the back service as a charge coming to Sausalito. |
| 02:08:26.71 | Linda Pfeifer | But it's my understanding that under a contract of services, Charlie, we are paying for the contract of services as a known evil, whereas in a annexation, we are talking about past accrued benefits of unsustainable pensions from the past and moving forward. And that's a big difference. Excuse me? |
| 02:08:45.62 | Jonathan Leone | I know. Excuse me? experience this has not been a fixed cost contract with Southern Marin because we've negotiated the cost basically every year in its existence. |
| 02:08:47.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:08:55.16 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, you look at CalPERS unfunded liability and IMCARA's unfunded liability, and I think it's important that I look at this, and it's a great deal for the city. It's not so hot for the soft-sitle taxpayer. And my next question... |
| 02:09:03.09 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 02:09:03.16 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:09:03.19 | Unknown | Great deal. |
| 02:09:03.65 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, yeah. |
| 02:09:09.23 | Unknown | Thank you. This is... |
| 02:09:18.90 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. You know, I'm going to look through my notes. Next question, I'll... |
| 02:09:24.57 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 02:09:26.97 | Linda Pfeifer | and offer the floor for my colleagues. Thank you. |
| 02:09:32.05 | Mike Kelly | MR. |
| 02:09:33.48 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Yeah, well, let me go back to the options. were fiscally imbalanced. going into fiscal year 2013. Any other option other than annexation is an increased cost to the city's general fund over and above what transferring an equivalent amount of expenses and revenues out result in. to drive back to Council Member Leon's point, is that when they negotiate a contract for services with us, they will be negotiating rates that include their past function liability. Under this system, we're only transferring the incremental new costs of our firefighters and their pension costs going forward. We're not transferring any additional costs over to them. |
| 02:10:24.46 | Mike Kelly | I have a question. |
| 02:10:25.15 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Yes, sir. |
| 02:10:26.39 | Mike Kelly | If Southern Marin Fire were to do a contract of services, which they have said they will not do, and that contract of services had an increased cost to us of, I think you mentioned, the neighborhood of $800,000, what kind of parcel tax would that require of Sausalito residents in order to keep our general fund in the same balance. $200 is the number I heard floated. |
| 02:10:56.49 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Yeah. The $200 generated the equivalent general fund surplus that the $90 did. The $800,000 increase to the contract for services just to We wouldn't be, under a contract for service, we wouldn't be able to pay off the CalPERS side fund. Thank you. we would not generate the additional $40,000 in the 184,000 that comes down here. So we'll be looking at a $200 parcel tax to continue with a contract for service and have a stable general fund. |
| 02:11:37.36 | Mike Kelly | And if we were rejected by Southern Marine Fire, which they said they would, |
| 02:11:41.97 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Yes. |
| 02:11:41.99 | Mike Kelly | Yeah. we'd be forced to go to a full standalone fire department which would cost $1.4 million and how much would that parcel tax be? |
| 02:11:50.34 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Thank you. That personal tax would be $400. And I have to add that since it would be In other words, it's $400 per unit per parcel No inflation to that. We would again be going back to the taxpayers in 10 to 12 years saying, the $400 has been consumed, we need another tax. |
| 02:12:08.61 | Mike Kelly | And if the taxpayers rejected those partial taxes because they are so tax adverse and we couldn't get a 66 and 2 3rd percent majority, Sussli would be forced to cut fire services dramatically in order to maintain. Or other critical municipal service. Or other municipal service. |
| 02:12:22.59 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Or other critical municipal service. Or other municipal service. The equivalent of $1.4 million is the combined cost of the library and the recreation department. |
| 02:12:31.28 | Mike Kelly | Right, so those would be the first two on the plot, more than likely. Yeah. |
| 02:12:35.38 | Carolyn Ford | Well, I would say and ask if we couldn't look at other areas for cutting and if we couldn't find some amount of money in our budget to pay rather than lose the control. And my question for you is 761,000 is a number that I keep coming back to, or 800,000 if you will, for services. If you subtract the 400 from Golden Gate National Recreation Area, and Sausalito does, is a first responder on that and it has been taking care of that. Then that gets sat down to 400,000, 300,000. This is before further negotiations. I have a question of Jim. And I have a question. Let me finish my question. This is before further negotiations. |
| 02:13:25.40 | Mike Kelly | What's here? AND I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT |
| 02:13:32.36 | Mike Kelly | Negotiations. |
| 02:13:34.61 | Carolyn Ford | Now, no, it is not. Please, let me finish. You're making me lose my concentration. Please let her finish. |
| 02:13:34.66 | Mike Kelly | Now, no. Thank you. |
| 02:13:39.13 | Kayla Conn | You're making me. |
| 02:13:39.74 | Unknown | Yeah, please. |
| 02:13:40.97 | Kayla Conn | and |
| 02:13:41.19 | Linda Pfeifer | Please let her finish. |
| 02:13:42.59 | Kayla Conn | Interruption. |
| 02:13:44.09 | Carolyn Ford | So that would get it down to 400,000 and that's before negotiating the smaller items. Why is it? that we are assuming that we have so little negotiation power when Our consultant has told us, and it's generally recognized, that these two agencies are codependent. that the fire district depends on us as much as we depend on them. |
| 02:14:18.72 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | So- And... Councilmember |
| 02:14:24.97 | Carolyn Ford | That is the question. Why cannot we look at, okay, here's the question. What would it be if you subtracted 400,000? It would be 300,000. Three or 400,000, all right? Three or 400,000. I'm asking you, why are we not taking a look at that more closely And considering the fact that the two agencies are codependent, negotiating an agreement where the city would have some control. |
| 02:15:00.79 | Jonathan Leone | Oh, thank you. |
| 02:15:01.45 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:15:01.52 | Jonathan Leone | Can I ask Jim to maybe clarify the contract with the GGNRA? That might help a little bit to get to that. |
| 02:15:03.24 | Carolyn Ford | as |
| 02:15:08.05 | Carolyn Ford | I would like to hear what the city's take is on this, because I really believe |
| 02:15:13.94 | Jonathan Leone | We don't have a contract with the GGRA, Southern Miranda. |
| 02:15:15.39 | Carolyn Ford | All right. I know, but that's because of the merger. Fossilito is absolutely the most contiguous. |
| 02:15:19.40 | Herb Weiner | Fossilito. Thank you. So this was going on before that. |
| 02:15:24.79 | Jonathan Leone | We can't fulfill their needs. We couldn't fulfill their needs with a standalone fire department. Neither can they. Yes, they can. Without us. That's why they entered into a contract with them. |
| 02:15:26.98 | Carolyn Ford | Right. the San Juan Fire Department. |
| 02:15:29.97 | Kayla Conn | Yeah. |
| 02:15:30.03 | Unknown | Isn't that? |
| 02:15:30.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:30.91 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Cheers. |
| 02:15:31.22 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:15:31.28 | Unknown | Yeah, it is. |
| 02:15:34.51 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. If they didn't feel like they could fulfill their needs, they wouldn't have entered a contract with them. |
| 02:15:35.06 | Unknown | Thank you. Bye. |
| 02:15:37.19 | Unknown | to choose. |
| 02:15:37.78 | Herb Weiner | I just have, let me ask one question out of the last hour. If we stood alone, How many firefighters will we have? Five is our number. Five, all right? You got five firefighters. So that on a shift. And that means that if there's an emergency where there's an ambulance, you now have three firefighters to be able to fight a fire in Sausalito. Well, I don't know about you, but that is ridiculous, all right? With our terrain and what we have to deal with, |
| 02:16:13.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:16:13.12 | Unknown | I have a question. |
| 02:16:13.71 | Unknown | you Yeah. I'm sorry. |
| 02:16:14.97 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, Mr. Mayor, I have a question. |
| 02:16:15.41 | Linda Pfeifer | Please. |
| 02:16:15.70 | Unknown | Mr. |
| 02:16:16.04 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, I have a question. |
| 02:16:18.50 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:16:18.65 | Unknown | Bye. Thank you. |
| 02:16:19.21 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, I do have a question. |
| 02:16:19.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:16:19.82 | Herb Weiner | Mr. Mayor? I'm going to cut off questions. |
| 02:16:22.19 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:16:22.43 | Herb Weiner | No, I'm going to cut off questions, and I'm going to leave it. I'd like to have public comment at this time. Thank you, Charlie. |
| 02:16:23.95 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:16:24.03 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:16:24.88 | Linda Pfeifer | I am. |
| 02:16:28.71 | Unknown | Thank you, Charlie you We could ask questions later. |
| 02:16:34.70 | Herb Weiner | Any comments from the public at this time? Okay. |
| 02:16:41.47 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 02:16:41.50 | Herb Weiner | not fun. |
| 02:16:41.97 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 02:16:42.33 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:16:45.91 | Peter Van Meter | I just have to say that after reading the staff report, Peter Van Meter for Cloud View Circle, After reading the staff report, I just find this whole discussion just so bizarre. It's just amazing because here's a case where you've seen diligent work. over an extended period of time, lengthy negotiations. historic Teamwork operation that's been in place for many years. where you're actually getting a higher level of service, a higher level of safety for the people of town, and you're saving money. You're coming out $180,000 a head. What is there not to just love about this deal? I mean, everything about it seems like A win-win-win-win for everybody involved. I can't imagine that there'd be any objection to this concept. I hope you have town meetings, dozens of them, because as soon as people come out of the woodwork and understand what this is, They're going to say, nuts, how it took you so long to make this happen? Please vote this thing forward to LAFCO. I mean, there's no other choice. |
| 02:17:53.93 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | you. |
| 02:17:58.06 | Neil Whitelaw | Neil Whitelaw, 408 B Street, a resident of 44 years. I'm old. So I tend to see things in large chunks, large pictures. And the large picture I see tonight forgetting all the details or some of the details is that I'm seeing two people who are trying to set up issues. that they can run on in a campaign to try to take over the city for the third time in the last four years. |
| 02:18:29.33 | Neil Whitelaw | Thank you. |
| 02:18:29.35 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Thank you. |
| 02:18:29.47 | Herb Weiner | John? |
| 02:18:33.45 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | I'm John Flavin, I'm a city resident. And there's a lot of confusion regarding the consequences of this annexation. I was confused by comments in the staff report regarding the fire station rental. and the equipment transfer and the staff report. Thanks to a meeting, quick meeting with Jim Irving, I gained some understanding of how that works and I'm a little more comfortable with it. My biggest problem on all this is that there were three parties to this annexation. There was the city. THERE WAS THE DISTRICT, and there were the taxpayers. And after negotiations, There was attorneys representing the city. There were attorneys representing the district there was no one representing the taxpayer. And in this particular case, there is not an alignment of the interests of the city with those of the property taxpayers. There's some, but there is a divergence. There needs to have been somebody representing the interests of the taxpayer. John, you should have been there through the whole process, come to all the meetings, gone to all this, you'd be fully informed. Well, I don't have that kind of time but there should be a full discussion, a full and open discussion. There is confusion even tonight. because I think that the district did incur, or will incur, a $3.2 million pension liability for the city employees that are moving over to the district. Now, Mike, you're shaking your head, but I Am I wrong? Yes, sir. your writing is all |
| 02:20:13.11 | Unknown | you |
| 02:20:13.65 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Ah. |
| 02:20:14.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:14.65 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Yeah. Okay, well then I'm confused. I'm just... Yeah. |
| 02:20:17.35 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Ha! |
| 02:20:18.24 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | and i need a presentation on this |
| 02:20:18.28 | Unknown | And I need a presentation. |
| 02:20:20.00 | Unknown | on this. |
| 02:20:20.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:21.55 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | To be fair, you need to lay out the give and take of this whole process. I mean, it's been, yes, it's been lengthy, it's been overwhelming, but it's changing. I mean, it changed even as of last Wednesday. And I think, I'm probably one of the two people most interested in this situation, and I am confused, even by Charlie's response versus Jim's response on this pension issue with the district. So there is a need for better education please Don't rely on the position that what alternative does the city have? Because a representative of the taxpayers can turn that around on you and say, what alternative does the district have? And that's a pretty powerful argument And I think we need The taxpayers need independent representation on this. I'm sorry, I don't mean to keep maligning CityGate. But they represent both a city and the district, they got a conflict. I mean, that's just the case of it. They have a great reputation. I've checked them. They're good. I'm not maligning them personally, but they've got a conflict. If you talk about LAFCO, LAFCO represents agencies. They don't represent taxpayers. Thank you. |
| 02:21:43.70 | Jonathan Leone | I think there's five people up here who represent the taxpayers. They may have different points of view and different degrees of expertise and experience, but that's why you elect us. Okay, that's why 80% of the people who voted voted for Herb and I last time and vice versa. There's no, I have no vested interest in being, I'm not an employee of the city, so there's no, I represent the taxpayer of Sausalito. Now, if you doubt that form of government, then maybe we should change how a representative democracy works. |
| 02:22:14.46 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Thank you. |
| 02:22:14.93 | Jonathan Leone | So do we need... |
| 02:22:15.88 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Jonathan, I don't argue your point. Can I respond? I know I won't pass my... I don't argue your point. |
| 02:22:15.93 | Jonathan Leone | Johnathan, I... |
| 02:22:22.19 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | most cases, your interests, you well represent the taxpayer. In this particular case, there is a distinction. because we're going to be straddling between the district and the city And I guess I can only point to the $90 unit tax as an example. It was brought forward with great fanfare as being Great. A win-win situation. until several council members, myself, and a survey said, wait a minute, do we really need this parcel tax? And when they objected, Sure enough. that parcel tax disappeared. So I don't know if that's evidence of this issue or not, but it certainly raises the concern to me that the taxpayer is not being represented And I'm not maligning your... I'm certainly not maligning your integrity. I'm just simply saying... |
| 02:23:17.29 | Kayla Conn | I'm in New York. |
| 02:23:21.15 | Jonathan Leone | Right. |
| 02:23:21.42 | Kayla Conn | I'm just saying. |
| 02:23:23.41 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | i am not you have a different |
| 02:23:25.98 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry. |
| 02:23:26.05 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Thank you. |
| 02:23:26.15 | Jonathan Leone | interest. |
| 02:23:26.79 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | I do as a tax tax. |
| 02:23:26.94 | Jonathan Leone | I don't know. Okay, no, I would say this to you. Hold on, hold on a second. John, I understand I have always been a proponent of a healthy distrust of government because, you know, it's an entity. You should be asking questions, why is your government functioning this way? Where's the money going? Do these people represent my interests? That's part of the whole... the whole thing, local, state, national level. So I hear you. And I appreciate people like yourself who take the time, like us, out of their other parts of their life to get involved. And you get none of the credit for having, you know, you can't cut a ribbon for Sakai Day or something like that. So it's even more of your kind of something for nothing kind of input. So I appreciate that. And the questions you ask are valid. |
| 02:23:50.60 | Unknown | I appreciate it. |
| 02:23:50.97 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 02:24:10.65 | Jonathan Leone | But the process doesn't have the beginning and the end. And, through the whole thing. It's negotiating with Southern getting feedback from the public, which everyone up here is advocating for. including Linda and Carolyn? And so we're getting feedback from people and we're negotiating with Southern Marin and we're trying to find the most cost effective solution. So it's being molded all the way to the end. And I think the city's plan, and we'll get to there at the end, where it's not as much of a, question session is to conduct the same process we did with the recent sewer fee increase. Send the stuff out to people, hire a consultant, make sure we're getting the word out to tell people if you don't like this process, if you don't like this merger, protest. Here's where you protest and get your say in. |
| 02:24:54.20 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:24:54.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:24:54.59 | Jonathan Leone | And if you feel that local control is the reason and you want to spend more money for that, and you want to, you know, come up with the money as a cut of services or tax yourself more, We'll do that. That's not what I think is the best solution, because I just don't want to cut services. I think we're lucky enough to be in the financial position we are. I appreciate your oversight and there are a lot of people who ask questions in various forms and in various forums. This is a very complicated little beast as you found out. It's like merging two companies. I mean, you're a developer. You see how deals come together and there are pieces of You poke in one side and they come out the other. And that's what's happening here. And we're just trying to limit the amount of things that poke out and try to get to a marriage of, or solution in this case. When I started with this, I could care less about Southern Marin. I had a distrust. |
| 02:25:39.58 | Carolyn Ford | At a point of order, I think we're getting too much. You talked for two hours. No, I did not. I asked questions. But I will say, I don't... |
| 02:25:41.70 | Jonathan Leone | You talked for two hours. Two hours. No, I did not. I asked questions. But I will say, I think you have a healthy distrust, and that's good. But I think your pension analysis, which |
| 02:25:49.28 | Carolyn Ford | Good. |
| 02:25:49.50 | Kayla Conn | Yeah. |
| 02:25:52.64 | Jonathan Leone | I can't claim that I'm a pension accountant, but we paid a pension accountant to look at these issues, these both sides, and that's not their findings. So you keep coming back with these that the whole thing's gonna fall apart because all of a sudden there's a greater increase in pension cost to the combined energy than there is separately. I'll see how that magic occurs. |
| 02:26:09.75 | Carolyn Ford | Wait a minute, we have the chief and one of our council members who was on the committee looking at this, disagreeing on what the pension costs really are. So there are still questions. There are still questions. |
| 02:26:18.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:26:18.93 | Adam Politzer | There are still questions. |
| 02:26:22.76 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:26:22.81 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, can I just respond to one of Mr. Flavin's comments? I think it's important to clarify because he stated that once we looked at the polls, we decided to get away from the parcel text and that statement is not correct. As stated earlier, we went through the process. |
| 02:26:23.42 | Carolyn Ford | There are still issues in the sewer. |
| 02:26:43.26 | Adam Politzer | both of including public comment, listening, to what the issues were. the two issues that came forward from my understanding, was local control. and the parcel tax. when we successfully negotiated with our union employees on what they were going to settle for to go over to Southern Marin. and when we successfully negotiated with Southern Marin. on the various deals that are before you that turned into a cash positive of $184,000. dollars. that then showed the light that we did not need to go through the parcel tax. I think when we met with Mr. Flavin and Ms. Suck we talked about the need for that additional money that was a surplus |
| 02:27:23.68 | Herb Weiner | money. |
| 02:27:25.33 | Adam Politzer | of the parcel tax. and we justify why the city needs that money But at the end of the day, We looked at the outcome of the negotiations with Southern Miranda the outcome of negotiations with the union, and then the surplus that was formed and made the decision not to tax our residents $90 per unit. |
| 02:27:49.28 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | My only response to that is when the very first exhibit was brought up, it showed a parcel tax of something like $600,000 and a surplus to the city of $600,000. And even I, sitting in the back of the room, could say, wait a minute. |
| 02:27:49.77 | Adam Politzer | FOR THEM. |
| 02:28:06.08 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Why couldn't we just have the surplus funded? And that's where we are. |
| 02:28:10.05 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:28:10.08 | Unknown | Yeah. That is where we are. |
| 02:28:11.67 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Mm-hm. |
| 02:28:12.23 | Jonathan Leone | I'm not. |
| 02:28:12.40 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | That's where... |
| 02:28:12.72 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 02:28:12.77 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | We have a great day. |
| 02:28:12.83 | Unknown | They are. |
| 02:28:14.12 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. So John, it's a good point, and some of it, as I said earlier, is what the other party in this negotiation process, they wanted to have an easing tax across their system. So now they're going to have to administer two different districts, areas in different ways. And from a simplicity standpoint, it would be much easier on their part to have the same parcel tax in every part of their district. |
| 02:28:33.81 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Recognize. |
| 02:28:34.39 | Jonathan Leone | But in order to craft a deal that makes it the most cost efficient and is the least imposing new costs on taxpayers of any sort. This is the way, it makes their cost of administration higher, a little more higher aggravation, but it's the most efficient way of responding to what they, what we both parties can agree to. |
| 02:28:54.35 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | I guess it doesn't come across here, but I'm actually a big fan of Southern Rune Fire. |
| 02:28:58.74 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:28:59.33 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | All right. |
| 02:28:59.34 | Unknown | Oh, boy. . |
| 02:29:01.03 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:29:01.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:29:01.74 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | I just think I do have that distrust. |
| 02:29:04.29 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:29:05.60 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Yeah, I agree. |
| 02:29:07.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:29:07.51 | Carolyn Ford | This is not about the fire performance or service. I think everyone agrees that that has been great. Thank you. |
| 02:29:15.29 | Sonya Hanson | Sonia Hanson. Mr. Mayor, council members, city officials. Probably. First of all, I'm following my old boss, Charlie, and that's an impossible task. |
| 02:29:28.33 | Unknown | Nobody. |
| 02:29:28.89 | Sonya Hanson | Nobody can follow Charlie, not successfully. Um, Earlier this evening, I spoke to you briefly before you were in a closed session. And at that time, what I said to you was process, process, process. And I'm back here saying it again. There are approximately less than 40 residents in this audience. That's who you have here tonight. You don't have more here because they don't understand what's happening. And if you go forward with this, I'm going to tell you right now, all hell is going to break loose. You need to have public meetings. Even on the website it said, and I've been following that, there will be public meetings about this. There haven't been. Yes, if people come to these meetings, they've heard it. How many people come to council meetings? Not many. You need to have public meetings. When you were building the police and fire buildings, there were banners across the street, everybody in town, unless they were blind, deaf, and dumb. Well, maybe not them. They would know about it, and those meetings were attended by a lot of people, and you got buy-in. You're not getting buy-in on this because you have not informed the public what's going on. And if you don't, No, Mike, it is true. The public in general doesn't know about this. They think that there were, they thought there was going to be a vote. And they thought before that vote, there was going to be a lot of discussion. Now there is no vote. There is no discussion except tonight. and Frankly, to me, this feels like a shell game. I don't know whether it's right. I don't know whether it's wrong. But I feel like there needs to be more public involvement. There is going to be a problem here. And I don't think that's fair to the firemen. I don't think it's fair to any of us. I think you have to engage the public in this further. Thank you. |
| 02:31:14.14 | Pat Sook | First, I'd like to apologize again to Jonathan and Herbert was the meetings I mixed up, not the people. Um, from the beginning of this process, His statements have been made that the citizens of Sausalito would get to weigh in on this. I happened to run into these hearings while I was looking for the Butte-Lincoln property stuff. In the May 3rd CityGate presentation, I believe it was Mr. Rufus at one point early on said, annexation, is really the subject of the ballot measure at the end of the day. And he was talking about the ballot measure that would incorporate the tax increase. At the same hearing, And I'll quote you twice, Mike, not because I'm picking on you, but because you've been pretty articulate and outspoken in support of those You said about the numbers and the arguments about the numbers, the process is that we've designed. is going to get us to reveal all of these numbers in detail. And now I quote, citizens of Sausalito can look at it and get a clear understanding and make their choice. And at the real, contested, the real, you know, the hearing where you and the fire guys were, the joint hearing on the 21st, About now and 14 minutes into it, What you said, Mike, was we're voting on at that hearing. an opportunity for the voters of Sosinito to vote on what kind of fire department they want. They will make the choice, and my emphasis is your emphasis, And for all of us, you said, who sit up here and who say that we are for the people and we listen to the people's voice. Anything other than a yes vote is a repudiation of that stance. Now, I know the difference between A vote. on a parcel tax and a vote on the issue. I was very pleased that you eliminated the parcel tax as a component of this annexation, and I said so at the Finance Committee meeting. last week. I sort of, in retrospect, was thinking, well, what you've really done is remove the necessity for a two-thirds approval. And you and I believe that this is probably a slam dunk. You know, I think Peter Van Meter is right. If the voters do get informed and get a chance to weigh in on this, They are going to probably approve it. It's a way to predict the future. But, I think it is a real repudiation of your stance not to support a ballot measure of some sort for this. You could do a mail-in as was done with Measure S, but the voters should get a chance to choose, I think. Thanks. |
| 02:34:41.57 | Jonathan Leone | Okay, anybody else? Members of the public who'd like to speak to this? |
| 02:34:52.67 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, 117 Caledonia. I just want to say that I've been listening to this issue since 2003, and this issue came up when the Public Safety Steering Committee issued their final report It came up under the Needs Assessment Committee The statement was put in there after us talking to the firefighters down at our station on Johnson that the issue of consolidation was going to be discussed in the future. There's two people in this room that have both spoken that were on that committee with me. So this issue, I think, can be stipulated that it has been discussed in this community and been on the radar since 2003. In terms of how active people have been in that, you know, I don't know. It is complicated, but I think it has been around for a long time. This is not a new issue. One thing that I think that no one is talking about is if we vote or we don't vote, Let's just create the scenario that we don't vote, and I was gonna say the parcel tax didn't pass. That looks like that maybe is out of the issue now. Who knows? But I'm not hearing anybody talk about How are you going to fund $1.4 million? And I want to see, for the people that don't want to pay this, If we had a chance to blow up our line item budget, I want them to tell all of us as citizens, where are you going to cut? Are you going to take our library away? Or do you want to stand by taking our parks and recreation away? No one's copying to that. And that is a part of this, if no one supports these other measures, We have to come up with the money somewhere. And that's never been part of this discussion. I think that's sort of cowardice in a one-sided argument. I'm sorry I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but I don't think you can always say no, no, no, no, no to everything without solutions. And I never hear one solution to this. It's very frustrating. |
| 02:36:57.65 | Herb Weiner | Okay. All right, let's bring it back up. Thank you. Let's bring it back up. |
| 02:37:04.57 | Unknown | You hold to Robert's so that we don't end up in an hour and a half. Thank you. |
| 02:37:10.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:10.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:10.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:10.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:11.52 | Herb Weiner | Molly, the dad or Richard? Rosenberg. |
| 02:37:12.09 | Unknown | over. |
| 02:37:12.62 | Carolyn Ford | Rosenberg. Rosenberg. The three minutes. |
| 02:37:14.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:15.59 | Herb Weiner | See you next week. |
| 02:37:15.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:15.99 | Carolyn Ford | Let's do that. |
| 02:37:16.01 | Unknown | Let's just do that. |
| 02:37:19.05 | Herb Weiner | We're going to close public comment at this time. between. |
| 02:37:22.66 | Jonathan Leone | Can I ask Charlie a quick question about this particular graph that's up here? Charlie, With or without, what scenario is this going forward without past 2011? What scenario is baked in here? |
| 02:37:38.60 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Oh, this scenario is assuming a contract for service. |
| 02:37:43.09 | Jonathan Leone | So this isn't with the combination of the two fire service in the department? |
| 02:37:50.47 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | No, I have that scenario. A combination of the |
| 02:37:59.06 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | This would be a city fire department on its own. |
| 02:38:01.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:02.75 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | where this is the current baseline and the expenses would be that much higher and we'd be going, we'd use all our fund balance up in two years. . And what was the other one with the parcel tax? |
| 02:38:16.12 | Jonathan Leone | No, without, just with what you're recommending. |
| 02:38:17.67 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Well, with the parcel tax, it brings us to here. |
| 02:38:22.75 | Jonathan Leone | So if you're, if you still have to. |
| 02:38:24.74 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | We still have challenges. We still have a budget that's balanced, but it'll be, just like this year, a struggle to balance the budget as it was this year. We couldn't. I mean, we balanced our budget. We made some tough choices, but we didn't cut levels of service. |
| 02:38:33.40 | Kayla Conn | All right. |
| 02:38:33.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:33.51 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 02:38:42.12 | Jonathan Leone | All right. |
| 02:38:45.85 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. That's a nicer looking picture, I have to say. |
| 02:38:53.58 | Jonathan Leone | but it comes at a cost. Everything comes at a cost. |
| 02:38:56.68 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Yes, sir. Oh. |
| 02:38:59.99 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:39:00.04 | Charlie Francis (Finance Director) | Sorry. |
| 02:39:00.43 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:39:04.14 | Herb Weiner | All right. Any other comments? |
| 02:39:08.08 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, I have a comment. Are we finished with the questions and the presentations? |
| 02:39:11.92 | Jonathan Leone | Yep. Presentations. |
| 02:39:13.59 | Carolyn Ford | you Okay. |
| 02:39:15.85 | Jonathan Leone | Thanks, Charlie. Thank you, Kim. |
| 02:39:17.61 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, thank you, Charlie. um, Well, once again, this issue is not about the quality of fire service. I believe residents are generally pleased with the service. What this is about is loss of control. If this merger is approved, the city will lose control of its fire department and 45% of property tax revenue. Our property taxes provide 50% of Sausalito's revenue and keep Sausalito financially stable. It is hard to believe that the city would even consider such a merger without a vote of the people. This has become a transparency issue in my view. |
| 02:40:12.62 | Carolyn Ford | A recent article in the Wall Street Journal points to several reports that mergers consolidations don't save money and often end up costing more money. The idea that mergers have saved money is turned on its head when you look at the data, and there are many reasons for this, and this was outlined clearly by a top consultant in the area who studied Illinois and all kinds of townships on the East Coast. This proposal has been union driven to ensure protection. Part of it is to ensure protection of inflated pension benefits. Unions are powerful enough to elect board members who support their position, so pension reform will most likely not happen because Sausalito will lose control of it. The residents will have no control over future expenses with a pro-union board. The city seems happy to rid itself of what has been called a headache. It is all at the residents' expense. I agree with John Flavin when he says the residents haven't been represented in this. The city needs to regroup. Let's involve our residents and be transparent. |
| 02:41:39.65 | Carolyn Ford | I move. that a financial oversight committee composed of residents be formed to review the issues and make recommendations before proceeding any further. And after the committee's review and recommendations, if a council majority supports annexation, that annexation be put to a vote of the residents. |
| 02:42:06.75 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor, may I speak? Well, of course I would like to second that motion. I've long concurred that we need an add a task force of residents providing oversight on the numbers on this and the finances especially as they've changed so much I mean the last five days we've shifted the whole strategy there was a comment earlier where we heard about the the backgrounds of our consultants and just a reminder my background is is education I have my doctorate in education and I can tell you that this workshop that education for the public never happened. We have not educated the public. We have not given the public the opportunity to come on this topic and truly understand and ask questions and learn from the ground up what these issues are. It simply has not happened. there has been a promise for a vote, a promise for a ballot, Vote. Now we have a discussion of not allowing the people to do this. to have the right to vote. Uh, Sausalito's largest revenue generator, property taxes. Property taxes represent nearly half of our Revenue overall. During this economic downturn, assessed home values have plummeted in other cities, but in Sausalito, our assessed values have more or less just flattened. Sausalito's property tax base has historically been reliable and stable. It is the economic engine for our city services and the fact that we are about to hand away 45% of the money. 45% and in addition there are no guarantees in the future that Southerman Fire couldn't assess an additional parcel tax which is |
| 02:44:07.52 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. I'm sitting right here and you're almost yelling. |
| 02:44:10.91 | Linda Pfeifer | Oh. |
| 02:44:11.27 | Unknown | Oh. Thank you. |
| 02:44:12.87 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 02:44:18.14 | Linda Pfeifer | Sorry Jonathan. It's just that I've watched this for the past three years. Someone came up and made a comment, oh, this is a campaign issue or something. For three years I've been speaking out and asking the same questions. When the consultants came up here, it has been a march to this conclusion from the get-go. And the only thing that I could hang onto was the fact that this was going to go to a vote. And you've just taken that away. You're about to take that away. I know you're about to take that away from the people of Sausalito and it's not right, it's not fair, and it certainly isn't democratic and it's a renege on a promise earlier made. Finally, I want to say that I'm very concerned as well about the pension liability I understand that... There is a reference to using some of these funds to pay off the city's side funds. I will remind you that side funds are pension debt, it's unsecured debt. It's an actuarial estimate. In fact, the side fund's quite tenuous. It assumes that future changes to employee pensions cannot be made. When you pay off a side fund, if Sausalito ever had to declare bankruptcy, a bond debt has greater weight. And if we paid it off, it would be very... If we didn't do the bond, if we just paid it off, We are paying off an actuarial estimate of potential liability And I don't think we should be going in that direction. And finally, I'm concerned very much about the topic of binding arbitration. Currently the MOU with Southern Marin Fire uses binding arbitration for grievances. But there's nothing that could prevent them in a future MOU with the city of Sausalito, with the other arrangements of inserting binding arbitration with regards to pensions. And then we are sunk. Because when we go into this annexation, what we have done is we have gone from a general law status to a charter city status, because at the district level, we're a charter. And we would be subject to... |
| 02:46:55.41 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:46:55.43 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:46:55.44 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:46:55.51 | Herb Weiner | The time is up. |
| 02:46:56.27 | Carolyn Ford | I would let her finish. |
| 02:46:57.72 | Linda Pfeifer | So, |
| 02:46:57.81 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 02:46:57.82 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:46:58.03 | Carolyn Ford | I'm finished. |
| 02:46:58.26 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm not going to finish. |
| 02:46:58.95 | Herb Weiner | You want to go by the Rosenberg rules, but all of a sudden, if it's your way, it's fine. But if it's the other way, it isn't. |
| 02:46:58.97 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 02:46:59.21 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 02:46:59.24 | Linda Pfeifer | Bye. |
| 02:46:59.31 | Carolyn Ford | No. |
| 02:47:04.27 | Carolyn Ford | I withdraw my request, so I'm just going to hear. |
| 02:47:06.21 | Herb Weiner | Wow, whoa up. My goodness. |
| 02:47:06.83 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:47:08.35 | Unknown | My goodness. All right, calm down, calm down. |
| 02:47:10.36 | Unknown | Okay. Yes. You want to go next time or you want me to? Go ahead. |
| 02:47:14.77 | Mike Kelly | You know, I've been elected twice to this board, this wonderful board, and I've represented the citizens of Sausalito for seven years, and before that with the Planning Commission. and, uh, Not one time in any meeting or anywhere have I ever had anything but the most and best interest of this city. At heart. And I still have that tonight. If I thought for a second that this was something wrong, I would stand up and tell you and we'd walk out of here. but it's not. It's the right thing for Sausalito. For seven years, I've been working on this. I was appointed to this board because nobody else wanted it when I first got elected. I couldn't get on the other committees. So they gave me this one. And then Jonathan joined me after a couple of years when he was elected. Because I made him come on it. I said, two good minds ought to be on this thing, looking at it all the time, trying to figure out what it's all about. |
| 02:47:59.87 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. because I made him come on it. |
| 02:48:01.51 | Unknown | . |
| 02:48:07.03 | Mike Kelly | And it's true, it's a very, very complicated issue. It's a very complicated issue. It's complex from all different perspectives. So it's hard to understand. It's not just something simple that you can just put out. We can put some buzzwords out. Like we're going to take a million four of savings on our equipment that we get to keep out of our equipment fund and pay down a very expensive CalPERS side fund that was given to us by CalPERS a few years ago at a 7.5% or 7.75% interest rate. That's a major... Oh. A nice thing to have back in our fund is the interest and payment we have to make on that every year. |
| 02:48:42.36 | Unknown | No. |
| 02:48:42.92 | Mike Kelly | There's a lot of other good things about this, and you've heard them all tonight. There is no loss of control. We can take over the entire board if we want to. And knowing this community as I know it, it can come together and get people elected when it wants to. And we can certainly get that board. in a majority of nothing else. But right now we have zero control. We sit on no board. We sit on an advisory committee and they dictate to us what the contract terms will be. And they are now dictating there will be no contract terms if we don't go through with this merger. So that's the control we have now. It's zero. And that puts us right back into the mess with the $1.4 million cost overrun. for having a standalone fire department. And I can tell you, the GGRNA will not do a contract with South Lido. We don't have enough people to do it with. They'll go right back to these guys at Southern Marin that get the whole $400,000 contract. then we'll be called on for extra service when something goes on. and pay for it but on an incremental basis. THERE'S TWO MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD, WE'VE HEARD THEM TONIGHT, WHO WANT TO DERAIL THIS AND THEY WANT TO HAVE MEETINGS, THEY WANT TO HAVE There's no transparency, that's the famous thing. Every time something comes up, there's no transparency. There's been seven years of transparency. Can we have more? Sure. Will we have more? Absolutely. We're going to hold at least two meetings. I'm announcing this. I'm going to get my partners in crime here to hold two more meetings between now and the November LAFCO thing. Public meetings. |
| 02:50:04.19 | Unknown | No crimes here. No crimes. No crimes. Okay. |
| 02:50:06.37 | Mike Kelly | It's okay. Well, this is from the fellow who promised the vote. You're taking my time away. |
| 02:50:06.79 | Unknown | What? |
| 02:50:07.03 | Unknown | This is from the fellow who promised the vote. Yes, I noticed. |
| 02:50:11.03 | Mike Kelly | Yes, I noticed. You too. They've been wrong about a number of things tonight, the grievances, wrong about the pensions, wrong about the way the whole thing operates, and they don't understand it. So I can't help that, but the right way to do that, the right way to do it is to consolidate these two departments, save the city money, have better fire service, and move forward into the future. This can succeed and it will succeed. |
| 02:50:24.85 | Kayla Conn | That's it. Why? |
| 02:50:27.02 | Unknown | that. |
| 02:50:38.13 | Mike Kelly | And I gave you a promise when I came to the city council seven years ago to build a fire department and get it up and get it upstanding And I'll be damned if we didn't save $2 million in the process. So I give you that pledge tonight for this. |
| 02:50:56.77 | Unknown | Uh. |
| 02:50:57.30 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. All right, so this isn't the... a fun situation. It's just a fact of reality that small towns cannot cover the costs of providing these services the way they could years ago, because the regulations of providing these services and the costs of providing these services have increased at a rate that a small community cannot afford on its own. That's the unfortunate reality. It's not one that I like. It's not one that I want to and I I sat through the hearings of the merger discussion, or the Initial contract for service back in, when was that, Mary? 2001, 2002? Yeah. just in the audience, and you know, it didn't sit right with me then, because it was, I think, the concept had some merit, but the devil's always in the details. And what the details flushed out over time was it wasn't a, complementary relationship because of the way the costs were allocated. And that was an issue right after the whole thing came together. And I think Southern Marin has They've terminated this relationship a number of times over the years. We've received letters to terminate, and we've had to pull it back out of the fire and rescue it and negotiate some sort of agreement together that shared the costs more equitably And we've had to deal with people who, frankly, take the circle the wagons approach on the Southern Marin board years ago, many years ago, who really would have stuck it to Sausalito. if they had the opportunity, because they had a very parochial mentality that we're kind of seeing up here today. And. But the reality is they have a different board, They've gone through two chiefs in that time period, and I'm much more confident in the combined entity than I would have been certainly in 2003 and even four years ago. without a doubt. Is there going to be issues? Will they ever pass another tax? Of course they will. The cost of providing fire services is not going to decrease over time. It's going to increase. It's just an expensive thing to do and there are tight regulations on what these guys have where, how many people are on a truck, what the safety measures are. At the end of the day, it's for our benefits so they can fight a fire effectively. But it's going to cost a lot. I would agree with Mike quickly that We have very little control on the current arrangement, and frankly, we would have very little control if it was our own fire department, because the regulations and the safety practices that govern fire protection are very strict, And you can't... unless you want to jeopardize the quality of your service, Um, You can't really... It's a question of your quality of service and how you're going to pay for it. This is the most efficient, cost-effective method of doing it. We don't have $1.4 million sitting around to cover it. And unfortunately, it's the best solution we can craft in an imperfect situation. |
| 02:53:51.46 | Unknown | Hmm. |
| 02:53:52.02 | Jonathan Leone | I would say some quick points just to add some defects. The side fund obligation is a fixed obligation that the city entered into 10 years ago when it changed plans with with the CalPERS and it's a fixed obligation. It won't be affected by anything else in the future. We can pay it down at a lower cost now and save ourselves money. The GGRA contract, if they wanted to negotiate with Sausalito, they would have a long time ago. We can't fulfill those needs of five firefighters. Why is the GGRA contracting their services out? It was too expensive for the federal government to have a standalone firehouse, and they realized it. So, and actually we're lowering Southern Marines' pension costs going forward by getting a bigger pool of people 35 people, whatever the number is together, and they're spreading the fixed costs and providing their pension benefits over a bigger pool. So we're actually lowering their cost impacts going forward. just by having a bigger pool of people with a different combination of demographics. And so there's benefits to them. That's why they're willing to leave some money on the table. There's some benefits to them to enter into this. As far as public outreach, it's a slap in the face. when people who voted down public meetings because it wasn't convenient to their personal schedule didn't say, now you've never had a public meeting. Well, we didn't have a public meeting because we wanted to have them in June, July, and August. And you said that those were people who are on vacation constantly. Well, there were a lot of people here in town. I was here in town. And you would have reached people. No one goes to the vacation. Well, hopefully somebody's lucky enough to go on vacation the whole summer. I don't think that's the majority of people. But we tried to have public hearings, and you wouldn't let us. And we accommodated your desires to not have public meetings. |
| 02:55:30.30 | Carolyn Ford | I would like to... |
| 02:55:31.80 | Herb Weiner | Now, did you, have you spoken? |
| 02:55:33.68 | Carolyn Ford | I have spoken. |
| 02:55:34.49 | Herb Weiner | Well then we'll go on. |
| 02:55:36.22 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:55:38.82 | Herb Weiner | No one. |
| 02:55:39.28 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 02:55:39.46 | Carolyn Ford | serve. |
| 02:55:39.90 | Unknown | Mr. Commissioner. |
| 02:55:42.72 | Herb Weiner | Well. I've heard it all tonight. |
| 02:55:46.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:47.58 | Herb Weiner | I'll tell you what, some days I'd like to go back pumping gas. |
| 02:55:51.56 | Unknown | But anyway. |
| 02:55:52.10 | Herb Weiner | But anyway, that isn't my job up here. My job you put me here is for leadership. I hear that most people aren't tuned in. but I get out there and I speak to a lot of people. I tell him my views. or what options that we have. and it still comes down to the leadership that we provide our citizens, and we're all citizens here. All right. We all We all have homes. So we have our interests, what's best for this community. I heard said that a headache. Folks. At one time, I had eight operations going, and I almost had over 200 people working for me. The biggest headaches I had were scheduling, overtime, workmen's comp, in the business world Those are the most difficult headaches, and we have an opportunity to not have them and to shift them out of here. That is something that I definitely Overtime is not going away. In fact, if you heard the news, I believe it was two nights ago in San Francisco, They just stood there and said, we've cut firefighters, and now we're in a position where we have to pay overtime, and the whole overtime is going to be very steep. So, and I believe last year, we had some very high numbers on that. But once again, I won't get into back and forths. You voted me to lead. as leadership, I'm the mayor. I come to work, even on Sundays I'm here, every single day. I've got a pulse for this city better than anybody else in this room, and I'll challenge it to anybody in this community. All right? But there's one thing that has always guided me and has been very successful for me, and that is common sense. And I'm telling you folks tonight, I'm gonna use all the common sense that I've ever had to make the right decision, and you will hear the right decision tonight. |
| 02:58:05.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:58:07.83 | Herb Weiner | Anybody else? |
| 02:58:08.83 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, Mr. Mayor. I would like to respond to a couple items. And first, I would like to ask you to please keep disparaging remarks about and personal comments about other council members. |
| 02:58:26.90 | Herb Weiner | Did I use any names? |
| 02:58:28.01 | Carolyn Ford | No, but one of our count, Mr. Kelly did, Council Member Kelly did, and agreed to keep within our protocol. Secondly, shifting the headache to another organization is not the way to manage this problem, and that's just exactly what we're doing. |
| 02:58:28.03 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 02:58:28.16 | Jonathan Goldman | No, but one of our Thank you. |
| 02:58:33.41 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 02:58:51.89 | Carolyn Ford | I have heard this before from people who I would hope would take a different attitude and a more management-oriented attitude. Oh, why do we want to deal with this problem? Let's just give it to... southern ryan and let them deal with it we won't have to negotiate with the union etc etc so i i think what this council needs to do is honor its promise and council member kelly said it not once but three times give the residents a vote make it transparent give the residents a vote that's what we need to do. If the residents say yes, this is what is best, then we do it. If they say no, then we don't. But let's put it to the residents. |
| 02:59:45.89 | Herb Weiner | Any other comments? Okay, did we have a motion before? No. Yes. Yes, we did. Oh, you had this motion here. Yeah, we did. Okay, let's address that for us. |
| 02:59:50.23 | Carolyn Ford | No. |
| 02:59:50.97 | Mike Kelly | The Pressure. The Pressure. |
| 02:59:52.91 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:59:55.98 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:59:56.01 | Jonathan Leone | Wait, before you get to the motion, can I take my one minute? As far as public outreach going forward, before we get to a motion. You know, I think we would like, personally, I think we should treat this, if we voted to, as staff had recommended here. |
| 02:59:58.85 | Herb Weiner | as far as probably... |
| 03:00:13.04 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. I think we should treat this as an election and publicize it well. mail people out information as we did with the sewer. Same format as the sewer tax, where I think most people were touched in some way about the issue, whether it was through mailing, emails, the website, public meetings, where they have an opportunity to educate a little bit more deeper into the issues involved. And if they don't feel that we should run it as an election in terms of the LATCO process so that people, which is what they kind of did up in Ross Valley, more or less, |
| 03:00:43.48 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:00:43.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:43.58 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:00:44.55 | Jonathan Leone | about their, I think that was the fire service in the |
| 03:00:47.91 | Mike Kelly | No, that was sewer. |
| 03:00:49.04 | Jonathan Leone | sewer. |
| 03:00:49.05 | Mike Kelly | soon. Thank you. |
| 03:00:50.28 | Jonathan Leone | And it was a hotly contested situation, and people got organized on either side, and made it an efficient process either way, whatever your point of view was, to have your voice heard. And I think that's, we should treat this in the same manner and publicize it well, get the facts out well, and make sure people are as informed as they want to be, and let them say, I don't like this one way or another. And, you know, if we can get LAFCO to, you know, we've talked to them, or get the LAFCO process to work in the same way that whatever it is, the 218 or whatever the sewer tax proposition, sewer tax method, what, is that 218? It's the same method. So just work it the same way so that people have the same opportunities to have their |
| 03:01:33.47 | Unknown | This ain't this. |
| 03:01:34.04 | Carolyn Ford | just work. |
| 03:01:34.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:01:34.55 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 03:01:40.61 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. Mr. Mayor? |
| 03:01:41.11 | Jonathan Leone | You're so... |
| 03:01:42.41 | Carolyn Ford | You've had, that's it. I've had one minute. Okay. Has everyone else talked? Okay, then I want another minute. And what I want to say is to respond to two things. The sewer tax, when that was, when people were educated about that, maybe memos were sent out or whatever, mailings were sent. |
| 03:01:43.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:01:43.90 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry. |
| 03:01:43.93 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:01:44.45 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:01:47.05 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:02:05.33 | Carolyn Ford | but we had two or three people here at our meeting. The word just didn't get out. So we need to hold workshops on this. And in regard to Council Member Leon's remark that the Golden Gate National Recreation Area knew that they couldn't man a fire station. Yes, they did. And they were not annexed. They have an agreement with the Southern Marin Fire Service. So an agreement is different. You can't annex the federal government. |
| 03:02:42.18 | Linda Pfeifer | An agreement is there. |
| 03:02:46.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:46.49 | Linda Pfeifer | May I, Mr. Mayor? I would like a... |
| 03:02:48.98 | Carolyn Ford | We have a lot of people. |
| 03:02:49.27 | Herb Weiner | would like a minute. We have a motion on the floor, is that correct? |
| 03:02:50.11 | Carolyn Ford | minute. Well, Thank you. |
| 03:02:52.92 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:02:52.97 | Carolyn Ford | you |
| 03:02:53.37 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Yes, we do. I move we cut off the base. |
| 03:02:53.83 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, we do. Mr. Mayor. Point of order. |
| 03:02:55.73 | Linda Pfeifer | Mr. Mayor. |
| 03:02:58.01 | Unknown | She hasn't done that work in a minute. |
| 03:03:02.89 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Just with respect to the sewer tax, when we voted on the sewer tax, just FYI, before the sewer tax, I organized and sent out an email, and I had an educational workshop for anyone who came. And I did it myself. And I, you know, educated them about what we were doing and why we were doing it, and I answered all of their questions. And they had really good questions, and they made me think, |
| 03:03:11.00 | Kayla Conn | FYI. Bye. |
| 03:03:32.44 | Linda Pfeifer | But at the end of the day, I did that outreach. I did that educational outreach because, frankly, I don't think we did a very good job of outreach with educational outreach with the sewer tax either. I mean, we did a lot of mailings, but I think with this, where we are looking at even considering giving away, 45% of our property tax when All along, All along. Residents have been told they would be able to vote on that. And when you say a ballot vote, there's an implication. that there's going to be vetting and public forums and debates and educational sessions and questions and airing. And that's not happening here. And if you are... If we go forward with the education, I recommend we do the education outreach first and then vote on this. What's two weeks? What's four weeks? Excuse me. 45%. |
| 03:04:27.99 | Herb Weiner | What's four weeks? Excuse me. 45 percent. I don't know what you understand, but when I say your time is up, time is up. |
| 03:04:34.01 | Carolyn Ford | Point, okay. |
| 03:04:34.33 | Herb Weiner | I mean, how simple can it be? |
| 03:04:36.17 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor. I call the question on the motion on the floor. |
| 03:04:39.28 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, okay. We have that. |
| 03:04:40.80 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor, I have one more comment. No, you heard your minutes. |
| 03:04:40.83 | Herb Weiner | Mr. Thank you. |
| 03:04:43.67 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:04:44.04 | Jonathan Leone | I heard you a minute. to make the motion. He called the motions and the rules ordered it. Yeah. |
| 03:04:49.77 | Carolyn Ford | Well, okay. |
| 03:04:50.50 | Herb Weiner | Excuse me, I called the motion. You made the motion. |
| 03:04:51.12 | Jonathan Leone | All the money. |
| 03:04:51.46 | Carolyn Ford | All right, well then I will make my comment afterwards. |
| 03:04:54.20 | Herb Weiner | You made the motion. |
| 03:04:55.31 | Carolyn Ford | All right. |
| 03:04:56.81 | Herb Weiner | Okay? Debbie? Paul? Yep. Linda seconded. |
| 03:04:59.55 | Mike Kelly | be here. |
| 03:05:00.27 | Carolyn Ford | call. |
| 03:05:00.49 | Mike Kelly | Bye. |
| 03:05:00.58 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:05:00.59 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:05:00.61 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:05:00.62 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:05:00.76 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:05:05.28 | Mike Kelly | Susan's Oversight Committee is an issue. |
| 03:05:08.20 | Linda Pfeifer | So we're voting on the Citizens Oversight Committee to look at the numbers. Thank you. |
| 03:05:12.32 | Unknown | Do you have to... |
| 03:05:12.79 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:05:12.81 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:05:12.83 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:05:12.84 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:05:12.86 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 03:05:13.03 | Carolyn Ford | Do you have my motion? |
| 03:05:13.13 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 03:05:13.15 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:05:14.99 | Debbie (Clerk) | My motion? It's that along with taking the annexation to a vote of annexation to the voters. |
| 03:05:24.50 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. Yes. The motion is that a financial oversight committee composed of residents be formed to review the issues and make recommendations before proceeding any further. And after the committee's review and recommendations, if a council majority supports annexation, that annexation be put to a vote of the residents. |
| 03:05:52.62 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Fyfer. |
| 03:05:54.51 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 03:05:54.96 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:05:57.83 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Leon. Councilmember Ford. |
| 03:06:03.60 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 03:06:05.05 | Debbie (Clerk) | Vice Mayor Kelly. |
| 03:06:06.39 | Carolyn Ford | No. |
| 03:06:08.73 | Debbie (Clerk) | Mayor Weiner. |
| 03:06:10.32 | Carolyn Ford | No. Mr. Mayor. |
| 03:06:14.69 | Unknown | Go ahead. |
| 03:06:16.31 | Carolyn Ford | I have one other point that I'd like to make, and that is that we, since we are not |
| 03:06:17.20 | Unknown | a minute. |
| 03:06:28.80 | Carolyn Ford | having a vote, we are not under a time schedule, a huge hurry to get anything set up here to the point that we cannot educate the residents on this issue. We are not on the same schedule that we were before, because we're not looking at a June vote |
| 03:06:51.39 | Unknown | Every single. |
| 03:06:51.80 | Carolyn Ford | or anytime soon. So we've got some time on this. So I cannot understand why this council Won't. Won't use that time to educate our residents. Why? Thank you. |
| 03:07:08.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:07:08.83 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:07:08.86 | Unknown | you |
| 03:07:08.93 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:07:09.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:07:09.45 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. |
| 03:07:09.53 | Unknown | I can't say manager of the point of certification. Thank you. Okay. |
| 03:07:12.72 | Jonathan Leone | Adam, what is the LAFCO timeframe as far as the whole, you know, if you submit the application as far as they're anticipated after speaking with them? I just can't remember. Is it like three and a half months, four months? If we went tomorrow and... |
| 03:07:28.30 | Adam Politzer | I'm going to ask that to respond to that, but it's in that four-month process. There's also a LAPCO hearing too. |
| 03:07:35.20 | Mike Kelly | Right. |
| 03:07:35.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:07:35.96 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | Thank you. |
| 03:07:35.98 | Unknown | Thank you. the whole process. |
| 03:07:37.33 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | The LAFCO hearing is anticipated to be November 10th at their regular LAFCO meeting. If LAFCO approves the annexation at that stage, then sometime in December there would be an administrative protest hearing. followed by in January, the LAFCO Commission would meet to consider how many protests had been filed and to make a final decision. |
| 03:07:37.34 | Unknown | you |
| 03:08:11.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:08:11.45 | Jonathan Leone | Your history with dealing with these type of things is a three to four month time frame. People need to make up their mind at the end of the protest vote period, right? They have to send a protest in if they want to protest. Yeah. |
| 03:08:26.20 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | Yeah, the LAFCO Commission in January is not reconsidering information. They've already considered that in November. They're simply looking at how many protests have been filed. And if there have been insufficient number of protests, then they would proceed. Okay. |
| 03:08:45.30 | Jonathan Leone | So we would have from September through January to make sure we got information out, hold public workshops along the way so that people would be as informed as possible. |
| 03:08:56.12 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | Oh, yeah, absolutely. Between now and the public, the reason LAFCO holds a public hearing is because it provides people an opportunity to come and ask questions and express their opinion to the LAFCO Commission before they make a decision. I mean, LAFCO, the LAFCO Commission will have your application and all the supporting documents and there will be staff reports and so on and so forth. But the people are invited, expected to come, and the city can do, can hold workshops and through your website and various other means notify people of the date of that public hearing and their opportunity to come and speak before the LAFCO Commission. |
| 03:09:38.64 | Jonathan Leone | But strictly speaking, the LAFCO Commission is more making sure the entities are viable. as a result of this combination financially and providing the services, not Do you like this as a concept or not in terms of combining it? |
| 03:09:52.95 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | No, LAFCO is looking at whether or not this is a financially, operationally, and from a governance perspective, an effective way to proceed. |
| 03:10:07.26 | Jonathan Leone | So the hearing is for them to sort of get information about people's reasons why it's not on that basis. The protest vote is more, do you want this as just a concept for any reason? |
| 03:10:17.91 | Dwayne Mills (CityGate consultant) | For any reason. For any reason. I mean, you don't have to put down the reason when you protest. It's just yay or nay. Right, yeah. |
| 03:10:24.58 | Mike Kelly | All right, I would like to move that we approve a resolution of the City Council of the City of Sausalito authorizing the city manager to submit an application to the Marin County Local Agency Formation Commission for the annexation of the city of Sausalito to the Southern Friar For the annexation of the city of Sausalito and the southern Marin Fire Protection District approving the lease of the premises and equipment disposition agreement and approving the agreement regarding certain financial and personal conditions of annexation. |
| 03:10:55.35 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Call for a vote. No, one. That's a second one. That's two. Okay. I'll second. |
| 03:10:57.08 | Mike Kelly | No, that's the second one. |
| 03:11:00.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:11:00.77 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:11:04.16 | Herb Weiner | Okay. off. |
| 03:11:06.10 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 03:11:06.17 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:11:06.19 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. you I'm going to amend this particular motion, if you don't mind. It just is an amendment to it. Well, you can tell me if you mind. To amend it such that the council also directs staff to engage. I think we budgeted for some reason. I think we have resources in the budget for to engage similar to the sewer tax method, a method of someone to coordinate |
| 03:11:11.13 | Herb Weiner | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:11:35.48 | Jonathan Leone | messaging. uh, email through whatever form, email, mailings, website, public hearings, so that we have the proper degree of outreach between now and the end of the protest period. And for that to come back to the council and that education |
| 03:11:51.19 | Carolyn Ford | THE END OF |
| 03:11:51.28 | Mike Kelly | I accept that amendment. |
| 03:11:52.92 | Carolyn Ford | Mr. Mayor Thank you. |
| 03:11:54.67 | Mike Kelly | No, no, that's fine. |
| 03:11:55.95 | Carolyn Ford | No, no, that's fine. You cannot cut off discussion. We're discussing the motion. |
| 03:12:00.19 | Mike Kelly | We have a motion on the floor. |
| 03:12:02.52 | Carolyn Ford | emotions. |
| 03:12:04.20 | Jonathan Leone | You didn't let anybody second it, so you have to let that process. I second it. Did you already? Yes, I did. And you accepted the amendment? |
| 03:12:06.52 | Mike Kelly | I second it. |
| 03:12:07.31 | Carolyn Ford | to do. |
| 03:12:07.58 | Mike Kelly | or, you know, |
| 03:12:07.65 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:12:07.66 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:12:07.70 | Carolyn Ford | Yes, I did. |
| 03:12:08.32 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:12:08.36 | Carolyn Ford | THE END OF THE END OF THE Yeah, but I have one comment before we take it to a vote. |
| 03:12:10.65 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 03:12:14.95 | Jonathan Leone | You got the one minute |
| 03:12:19.09 | Carolyn Ford | And what I want to say to that is the idea of public workshops is great. That's what we want. but there is a football field of difference between offering the residents a vote and having them make a protest. And this is the issue. And I think that approaching it this way is all wrong. We have gone back on our word, particularly Councilmember Kelley here, who has repeatedly said we'll have the vote. We have gone back on our word. And we need. we absolutely need to give people a chance to weigh in on this before we pass this kind of motion. It's unfair. |
| 03:13:16.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:13:16.02 | Herb Weiner | Okay, well. |
| 03:13:17.49 | Carolyn Ford | He's done. |
| 03:13:18.03 | Herb Weiner | Let's go. Call for the vote, please. |
| 03:13:25.66 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Pfeiffer. |
| 03:13:26.96 | Linda Pfeifer | No. |
| 03:13:30.01 | Debbie (Clerk) | Council member Liam. |
| 03:13:31.75 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:13:31.77 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |
| 03:13:32.09 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:13:33.64 | Debbie (Clerk) | Council member Ford. |
| 03:13:34.57 | Carolyn Ford | No. |
| 03:13:36.29 | Debbie (Clerk) | Vice Mayor Kelly. |
| 03:13:37.81 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 03:13:38.18 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:13:40.68 | Debbie (Clerk) | Mayor Weiner. |
| 03:13:42.28 | Herb Weiner | Yes. All right. |
| 03:13:44.48 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. I'd like to make a motion that we approve the resolution accepting the negotiated exchange of property tax revenues between the city |
| 03:13:44.66 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:13:51.07 | Mike Kelly | and the district. which transfers local property tax revenue to the fire protection district of a sufficient level that does not require a voter approved parcel tax. |
| 03:14:01.11 | Herb Weiner | I'll second. |
| 03:14:03.00 | Jonathan Leone | I think it's always the option of any of us to propose alternatives to any of these things that come before us on the agenda, and to not do that is not doing all your homework if you object to what the solution that's being presented by the staff is. That's just |
| 03:14:21.08 | Mike Kelly | him. Right. |
| 03:14:23.03 | Carolyn Ford | I believe we have presented. And so, what's the 1.4 million and where are you going to get the 1.4 million? Well, I believe we have proposed the solution. We have proposed another process, another way to go. And all we're asking for here is to educate the public and get a vote. And I cannot understand for the life of me why this council is so adamantly opposed to |
| 03:14:26.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:14:26.65 | Unknown | What's the 1.4 million and where are you getting the 1.4 million? |
| 03:14:51.60 | Jonathan Leone | That's not a solution, that's a process. No, but we have a chance to negotiate. |
| 03:14:54.31 | Carolyn Ford | No, but we have a chance to negotiate, and that is our issue. I second. |
| 03:14:57.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Bleach. I seconded. I'm sure you do a better job. I did second it. Debbie, have a vote, please. |
| 03:15:00.70 | Unknown | Thank you. you |
| 03:15:04.72 | Unknown | you |
| 03:15:04.87 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 03:15:04.89 | Debbie (Clerk) | Do you remember Pfeiffer? |
| 03:15:06.49 | Carolyn Ford | No. |
| 03:15:08.21 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Leone. |
| 03:15:09.27 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:15:09.32 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 03:15:10.79 | Debbie (Clerk) | Council member Ford. |
| 03:15:12.19 | Carolyn Ford | No. |
| 03:15:14.30 | Debbie (Clerk) | Vice Mayor Kelly. |
| 03:15:15.09 | Carolyn Ford | Yes. |
| 03:15:17.56 | Debbie (Clerk) | Mayor Weiner. |
| 03:15:18.77 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 03:15:19.53 | Debbie (Clerk) | next time. |
| 03:15:20.76 | Herb Weiner | Okay, let's move on to the next item. We'll take a couple minutes. We're going to take a couple minutes break. |
| 03:15:33.08 | Herb Weiner | more like fire and ice. Thank you. Okay. At this time here, I'd like to receive and file second quarter police department of crime and traffic report from? China for Tahara. |
| 03:15:53.06 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Why, thank you. Good evening again. |
| 03:15:54.38 | Unknown | again. |
| 03:15:56.62 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Where did everybody go? This is important stuff. |
| 03:15:59.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:15:59.54 | Unknown | you |
| 03:15:59.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:15:59.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:15:59.75 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:15:59.81 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:15:59.97 | Unknown | Yeah. Well, we get your back. |
| 03:16:00.88 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:16:00.94 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | But we get you back. All right, well, good evening. So this evening I'm presenting to you a review of our second quarter statistics which actually reflects the first six months of the year. And... Our first slide, what I did this time is I changed our slides to give you a five year review rather than, I think we had been doing a three year Review, I like a five year review. It's just my personal preference, so That's what we're doing right now. And it just gives you an opportunity to look, if you look at our calls for service here, we're fairly stable in that arena, and in fact, in most areas. We have had a spike this year, but not anything that's significant or causing us concern. Same with here. This is, I did a five year review, so we can see the trend, and then following that is a slide showing you January through June of this year, so you can see where we're going this year. And we're still really stable. Calls for service are about similar to where, |
| 03:17:08.00 | Unknown | year. |
| 03:17:13.94 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | They were last year and you see the summer months get a little busier. |
| 03:17:21.29 | Jonathan Leone | Chief needs to have Charlie sit down with her a little bit on the grass. Oh, come on. |
| 03:17:25.28 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Thank you. |
| 03:17:25.39 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:17:25.42 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Oh, my God. |
| 03:17:25.45 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:17:25.47 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | I'll see you next time. |
| 03:17:25.49 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:17:25.50 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Oh man. |
| 03:17:25.98 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:17:26.03 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Bye. |
| 03:17:26.05 | Unknown | laughter |
| 03:17:27.38 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Yeah. |
| 03:17:28.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:17:28.93 | Jonathan Leone | You know, you're trying. It takes a while to get up to his standards. Believe me, I couldn't get there. |
| 03:17:32.44 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | I'm sorry. There's nothing here that says finance or accounting. Doing the best I can. |
| 03:17:34.65 | Jonathan Leone | or |
| 03:17:38.68 | Pat Sook | Christmas a tough night. |
| 03:17:38.92 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Bye. |
| 03:17:38.94 | Jonathan Leone | I'm teasing you. It's late. I'm teasing you. You're doing a great job. Who said that? |
| 03:17:40.03 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Bye. |
| 03:17:40.05 | Pat Sook | Bye. |
| 03:17:40.30 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Thank you. |
| 03:17:44.24 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 03:17:44.56 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Thank you. |
| 03:17:45.23 | Jonathan Leone | Someone yells at you. |
| 03:17:46.23 | Unknown | . |
| 03:17:48.57 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | All right, so again, you see Here we're doing fine. Nothing significant to discuss here. The same with our six month review. Similar here, all of these, there's really nothing that's spiking that's would cause us concern. The same this year, it's similar to previous years. Traffic accidents, As you can see, we're right where we have been in previous years. What's interesting to note here is that we had a spike in May of 15 accidents that month, one of them involving a cyclist. And then when the OTS grants began, we saw a decrease in that. So that tells me that that extra presence and that extra enforcement actually has some benefit significant benefit. Here are our traffic citations, fairly consistent over the years, moving violations. A little bit more this year. Again, I think that's because of our OTS grants. You see that spike in 2011. |
| 03:19:18.64 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | These are our 5150s and our arrests. It is psychiatric, emergency psychiatric evaluation. In 2008, it looks like people were misbehaving a little bit more than other years. Here are arrests for this year from January through June. And then I wanted to put this slide up here because when I came here, In March, I noticed that we were not paying much attention to the waterfront properties and the marinas And so through some creative scheduling and motivation by our officers to incorporate this into their patrols We have increased the hours. on the water and along the waterfront on land significantly at no extra cost to the city Obviously, from the other statistics, it's not affecting other areas. We could do a lot more, but this is an important area for us to maintain focus on. |
| 03:20:26.51 | Jonathan Leone | have given the increased patrols, what has been the result? Has there been more, you know, things falling out from that in terms of whether warrants or arrests or field work, whatever comes out of that? |
| 03:20:40.39 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | We haven't seen any more arrests, but what I'm focusing on is building relationships in that area, having a visible patrol. and creating a sense that somebody cares about that part of our city. So we have a presence there, a police presence. It just sends a message that this is a protected area. So they're out there doing that. And we'll have more in a future presentation on what's actually happening in this marine program. We've been working on some very important partnerships with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and I've recently partnered with homeless advocacy people, and we've been out on the water contacting anchor outs. And we have a, it's not part of this quarter report, but we have now a sergeant and two officers who are liaisons to the homeless advocates. And this was all prompted by a conversation I had with an anchor out who wanted to come off the water. And so I realized then we had Need and we needed to fill it and so you'll hear more about that later Um, So we're not just out there writing tickets and driving around in our cars. We have numerous other things that we do. I think it's important to note that you see that the traffic statistics show, the accidents show they're down. Due to the OTS grant, we also have Per your approval, the Street Smarts program, which is an educational program, it's outreach into the communities. Residents want to have one of their signs advising of safe driving habits and abiding by the rules of the road. They can contact us and we'll give them a sign. um, But there is a lot of community effort around this. We've been in communication and meetings with the South Street residents, with the Lima Street residents, Spencer. Of course, tonight you approved that report for the stop signs up there. So we've been doing significant outreach regarding traffic. We had a press release last week and an article in the newspaper. but we're really trying to engage people in a conversation about respectful driving behavior, respectful bicycling behavior. and respectful behavior to our residents as people come in and out of the city on those streets that are adjacent to the freeway. And so the more conversation we can have about that and the more we can engage the community either through the OTS grant or through the Street Smarts program, the more we can have influence on those behaviors But we have a number of issues, a number of programs going on that I think are worthy to note from the last six months. had two bicycle skills class held here. The ticket campaign was short and resulted in, I think it was 20 seatbelt violations. We also, a significant accomplishment for us was the California Law Enforcement Award. We came out third in the states for this award, and this is for an agency our size, a city of our population. So throughout California, we came in third in terms of our efforts in education enforcement in traffic. So it's very significant for us. It really sort of complements what the officers are doing and recognizes their good work. We have started to focus on the waterfront and quality of life issues, not just on the water itself, but also one of the community policing projects is Dunphy Park, and engaging in the users of that park, appropriate behavior and quality of life issues and That's moving along nicely. We also participated in the Special Olympics, and we did, some of us rode or ran from the Civic Center down here to Sausalito to raise funds for the Special Olympics, and we also did a fundraiser at Sam's in Tiburon, and raised $4,800 for Special Olympics. We have now our homeless advocacy group. which is going to be key in helping us get the services to the people who need it before the winter months come. We are fully engaged in America's Cup 34 operational readiness planning, meeting regularly on a regional basis, and we hosted, in fact, the last regional meeting here in Sausalito, so we had over 100 law enforcement officials from local, regional, state, and national here in Sausalito to discuss operational readiness for America's Cup 34. It's significant so they can see what our challenges are and what our resource needs might be. I've already talked about the directed patrols for traffic issues. We continue to do taxicab compliance checks downtown just to make sure everybody's got their permit, their driver's license, their insurance. One of the things that's important to me as the police chief is that we have a... a front counter that's staffed. And when I got here, we weren't open on weekends. And I feel like if I'm working five days a week and I have to take care of something, I want my police department to be open on Saturday morning so I don't have to take time off work. So we're very fortunate that our volunteers have stepped up. And most Saturdays, not all, because sometimes they have other obligations, but most Saturday mornings we do have somebody who will greet people when they come into the police department up until noon. At no extra cost to the city and... Um, And then we also are working on improving and strengthening our relationships with the schools. We're out there on back to school day. and provided traffic control, and it was very successful because we had a system going, and Captain Roebarker set it up. It was seamless and a great opportunity for us to show, you know, that we're there, we're here, we're working with you. I also attended open house there, and then I also attended with, the other officers, the bicycle safety presentations to the students, and we gave away, I think it was 120 helmets that were obtained with a grant. And then of course we have our Citizen Academy and we finished our last one a few weeks ago in July. was well attended and we have a lot of interest to do another one. So there are a lot of great things happening. Um, in the city that I think it shows that our officers care. It's not one dimensional. It's across the board. And I think that's a good thing. I think that's all I have for you this evening, if you have any questions. Thank you. |
| 03:27:48.73 | Carolyn Ford | Is that it? I'm good. Not a question, but just a thank you for doing such a great job and taking on such a broad spectrum of tasks and projects. So thanks very much. My pleasure. Thank you. |
| 03:28:07.31 | Mike Kelly | I'll say the same. Nothing but great reports from citizens and business people and so on. And I think the presence of the officers has increased and I think that makes them feel good and they're getting their money's worth. |
| 03:28:20.41 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 03:28:22.30 | Mike Kelly | So thank you. |
| 03:28:23.26 | Linda Pfeifer | You're welcome. |
| 03:28:23.92 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:28:24.96 | Linda Pfeifer | And Mr. Mayor, Yes, I just have to echo that. I've just heard rave reviews from residents. They really appreciate the fact that you have |
| 03:28:26.90 | Mike Kelly | you |
| 03:28:37.13 | Linda Pfeifer | you know, walked around and visited them, actually, you know, met them in their places of work and introduced yourself and I've just, you know, heard just nothing but really, you know, positive things and I want to thank you for that reaching out in that small town way, it just makes so much sense here in Sausalito. Thanks. |
| 03:28:60.00 | Jonathan Leone | I had a couple questions actually. One, and you have more questions, and some are just informing us. Has there been any progress with the Sheriff's Department on what's happening with the free-way underpass? in terms of safety. I know it's tangential to, I mean, Obviously, there's been some history of crime through there. The sheriff's department, you know, the sheriff told me years ago that he was going to upgrade the lighting, da-da-da-da. And then they recently, with the guy, the unfortunate |
| 03:29:20.53 | Unknown | there. |
| 03:29:28.90 | Jonathan Leone | death there um, For everybody who takes the bus, sometimes you have to transfer through Renn City or you have to walk from Renn City into town. |
| 03:29:35.20 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:29:36.88 | Jonathan Leone | And the people who work in town often walk from Rennes City bus stops coming from San Rafael. And some of the restaurants have actually complained to me that there are people who have been mugged over the years coming through there, over time. So is there any, you know, the latest proposal I heard was to go to a handrail so you could jump out, you know, get out of that tunnel which you're trapped in through the chain link fence. Yeah. And I know that it's been bouncing around in the Sheriff's Department and the supervisors. What's the latest? Have you heard anything on that or if the sheriff's department is doing anything in particular? |
| 03:30:10.68 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | No, I don't have specifics on that. I think what's important to note though is that sometimes perception is not always reality. And so we have the perception that that is really a high crime area, but we don't have the statistics to back it up. Um, Yes, we've had serious crime there, but it's not frequent. But what I've done from the police department side is the lieutenants assigned to Marin City just changed. The new lieutenant is Bruce Baker, so I met with him last week. He came here, we sat down, we talked about partnerships, continuing the good work, because our officers and the deputies actually do a lot of work together, backing each other up. So I want to continue that and build on that relationship. So I had him here, we had coffee, we talked, and then on Monday of our art festival, at the end of our day, I went over there and I walked around with him in uniform at their blues festival so we could show, you know, we are in partnership, we're good neighbors, we're here together. So my plan is to continue to build that relationship so that we can be aware of what's going on I may not be aware of everything that's going on there that affects our citizens, but through that partnership with Lieutenant Baker, I plan on becoming more familiar and just making that relationship stronger. |
| 03:31:37.91 | Jonathan Leone | I think you have any further update on that? |
| 03:31:39.18 | Adam Politzer | Do you have any further update on that? The mayor and I have attended a meeting recently with Supervisor Kate Sears and her assistant Leslie Olden and Jonathan Logan from the Community Service District of Marin City. And the county obviously is concerned and I think there is ongoing meetings that we haven't been invited to with the sheriff. As Chief Dejada has mentioned, I think that's about to evolve where the window will open up and include us. But the safety concerns on lighting, the fence as you indicated, the maintenance, just the cleanliness of the area, there's a lot of opportunities for the county. in Marin City. in the partner to address a lot of those issues. relatively in the next two or three months, you'll see some of those items. get more coordinated, and I think the chief in our next quarterly report If not sooner, we'll be able to expand on that. |
| 03:32:42.91 | Herb Weiner | Also, we discussed cameras being in that area also, if you remember. |
| 03:32:49.16 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:32:49.19 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. you |
| 03:32:49.55 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. and then the last question as a follow-up to the last time you came, which was, you know, you hadn't really been here very long in the last quarterly thing, and so is to get your... What I ask you then is kind of, why don't you get settled in and get a feel for what's going on here compared to your past experience? the level of safety you see in Sausalito compared to other places where you've been an officer Thank you. not just what's your comfort level of that. And I think people need to feel, want to hear that. They want to hear what the chief thinks about the level of current safety and self-esteem. And just as a general, compared to Novato, compared to other communities where you've worked, |
| 03:33:26.74 | Unknown | and out the door. |
| 03:33:34.40 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | I think you have a very safe community. You have a community of people who care, who are aware, you do have a very safe community. When you consider the number of people who pass through this town, and the lack of crimes associated with assaults and thefts, that when you look at the number of people who come through here, we have relatively little crime. And so I think this is a very safe city. Comparing it to other cities is like apples and oranges. I think Sausalito is very unique. We have challenges here that other cities I've worked in didn't have, and that's the the tourist population, the cyclists. So when I think of Sausalito, I think cyclists, parking, and traffic. Those are the things that take up a lot of my time. And so I really want to engage the community in that issue so that we can all have safer streets. And it's going to take the whole community to do that. We have had a little rash of burglaries up off Spencer and the freeway of the six burglaries over two weeks. One reported a loss. The others were break-ins. And so I want to encourage people to, if you see it, say it. If you see something in your neighborhood that doesn't look right, |
| 03:34:22.10 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 03:34:22.12 | Pat Sook | Thank you. |
| 03:34:22.17 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 03:34:22.33 | Pat Sook | Come on. |
| 03:34:22.39 | Kayla Conn | Bye. |
| 03:34:22.43 | Pat Sook | Bye. |
| 03:34:22.58 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 03:34:56.40 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | your body, your instinct is telling you, it's not right. Don't dismiss it and call us. We're here to investigate whether it's a valid concern or not. That's our job. It's not the citizen's job. Your job is to call us. If you see it, say it and call us. But, you know, it is a great city. It's very safe and... |
| 03:35:18.69 | Jonathan Leone | It always is a fresh face with a new perspective. It always is helpful to get that sort of level of reading of things. And I gave you a little grief about teasing, and you and I have teased each other frequently. So about your graphics, but they're much better than Scott's, I've got to tell you that right now. I think the city staff will agree that they're much better. |
| 03:35:26.03 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:35:39.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:39.66 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | All right. Good. You've redeemed yourself. |
| 03:35:40.12 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:35:43.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:43.53 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:35:43.90 | Unknown | . |
| 03:35:43.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:46.02 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Thank you. |
| 03:35:46.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:46.06 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Thank you. |
| 03:35:46.11 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:35:47.04 | Herb Weiner | any other I just want to say thanks for being a very hands-on police chief. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very, very much. |
| 03:35:57.53 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | It's my pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:35:59.96 | Herb Weiner | everything. |
| 03:36:01.89 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Thank you. |
| 03:36:01.90 | Mike Kelly | No public comment. |
| 03:36:02.97 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Thank you. |
| 03:36:03.41 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:36:03.44 | Herb Weiner | How about public comment? Oh, you're really up there tonight, Keith. |
| 03:36:08.98 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:36:09.02 | Herb Weiner | in. |
| 03:36:09.60 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 03:36:09.77 | Herb Weiner | No one... He's fine. |
| 03:36:09.78 | Jonathan Leone | All right. I want it. He's been up on Spencer and by the highway. |
| 03:36:11.61 | Unknown | on spending. |
| 03:36:12.30 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 03:36:12.72 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:36:12.86 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 03:36:12.92 | Unknown | Right on. |
| 03:36:14.61 | Herb Weiner | Go ahead. Tell her how you went through that stop |
| 03:36:14.65 | Jonathan Leone | Right? |
| 03:36:14.97 | Keith Stoneking | Yeah. |
| 03:36:15.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:36:15.42 | Keith Stoneking | Thank you. Thanks. |
| 03:36:17.77 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 03:36:17.85 | Keith Stoneking | you |
| 03:36:17.92 | Herb Weiner | Right. |
| 03:36:17.93 | Keith Stoneking | Right. |
| 03:36:18.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:36:18.41 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 03:36:18.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:36:19.30 | Keith Stoneking | Keystone King, 42 Lincoln Drive. I just wanted to add something. When Leon was asking about the underpass there, the freeway, |
| 03:36:26.41 | Unknown | uh, |
| 03:36:26.78 | Kayla Conn | I'll see you next time. |
| 03:36:28.94 | Keith Stoneking | I've been involved since I was president of Rotary. and trying to get a mural project started on that thing. Dana King is working with me on that now. I have one Rotary Club that is going to join the Sausalito Rotary. I'm still looking for another one unless the city wants to donate $4,000 to our club so that we can get this thing going. But part of the plans that we have set up on that is to do lighting so it looks a lot more protected and everything. But, you know, if you're out talking to rotary clubs, I need another rotary club and I can get matching grants to get this thing done. |
| 03:37:16.88 | Jonathan Leone | Why don't you and I talk about that? I can't help you with the rotary thing, but I can try to help find. You can try to find me extra money? Yeah, we can. Okay, I'll go. |
| 03:37:16.95 | Keith Stoneking | Why don't you go? |
| 03:37:21.59 | Keith Stoneking | You can try to find me extra money. Yeah, we can. Okay, I'll go along with that. And then the other thing, talking about safety, Jonathan, I would recommend very highly that the next time they have the Citizens Academy that you attended. I've been through it. You have? And I'd suggest going on another ride around and you'll find out how safe this city really is. She's done a great job. Thank you, Jim. |
| 03:37:27.39 | Jonathan Leone | in his. |
| 03:37:27.97 | Unknown | And then the other thing, the talk |
| 03:37:40.69 | Jonathan Leone | and it's... |
| 03:37:47.09 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you, Chief. I'm aware of it, but people aren't going to believe me. They're going to believe the Chief in terms of her perceptions. |
| 03:37:55.35 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, can I just comment on something that Mr. Stoneking just mentioned? The meeting that the mayor and I attended, one of the parts of that discussion, which |
| 03:37:55.96 | Neil Whitelaw | Thank you. Can I just... Yeah. |
| 03:37:57.68 | Herb Weiner | Yes, you imagine. |
| 03:38:06.00 | Adam Politzer | championed by Supervisor Sears was a mural project. Dana King is scheduled to come to the council at our next meeting on the 27th to actually talk about what this project is and what the concept is. So I didn't want people to be surprised based on Keystone King's comments there. but it will come to the council, it will go to the Marin City Community Service District Board, and it will go to the school board and it will go to the county board of supervisors. but supervisor Sears is championing this effort. |
| 03:38:41.47 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, moving right along then. Billy, we'll have the... quarterly update on the disaster preparedness. |
| 03:38:56.88 | Unknown | We can call him Sergeant Frost. |
| 03:39:01.07 | Herb Weiner | I used to call his father Bill, too. |
| 03:39:02.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:39:03.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:39:03.51 | Sergeant Frost | I'm used to it. |
| 03:39:04.29 | Herb Weiner | . . |
| 03:39:04.69 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 03:39:04.96 | Sergeant Frost | . Well, good evening, Mr. Mayor, people. Sit in my head. |
| 03:39:08.47 | Herb Weiner | I'm not sure. You can call me Herb. Go ahead, Emily. |
| 03:39:11.24 | Sergeant Frost | I don't plan on stopping anytime soon. |
| 03:39:13.60 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 03:39:14.53 | Sergeant Frost | Today I will be discussing some of the Key point topics regarding what the city has done in the area of disaster preparedness since the beginning of this year to date. We're going to break down the areas in events, training, plans, equipment, community outreach and meetings and our future plans. As always, this is just a quick Cliff Notes version of what has been accomplished citywide throughout these first nine and a half months. First, the number one disaster preparedness event we actually had was the two-foot tsunami wave that struck Richardson Bay back in New York. March. This was the result of the earthquake in Japan We received late notice due to a technical error at Marin County OES, a worker who was working on technology left a cord unplugged thinking nothing would happen. That was the night something did happen. Notification calls didn't go out until later. However, we were still able to take a very robust area of public notification by doing foot contacts, emergency advisories over the emergency radio channel as well as through Nixle. The fire department and the police department launched both our boats to warn the Anchor Elk community and we kept in touch throughout the day regarding all public and city departments to make sure everything was done. Extremely little damage was done. One sailboat. was actually sunk, however, that sailboat was on his last legs. Um, And We also did follow up afterwards to let the public know that even though the tsunami wave has passed, there are still problems that could result due to tide changes, debris that's washed into the thing. So that was our only noteworthy event. I'm not sure. In the areas of training, I'm continuing educating our city staff through the free training. that FEMA offers this nine months we've trained in workplace awareness, focusing basically on workplace violence. That is one of the number one causes of death for men and women throughout the nation. Public Works' role in emergency management Leadership and influence. Military resources and emergency management, mission assignment overview, and introduction into debris operations. We have also had our members of the Emergency Operations Center attend some training classes. The city's public information officer as well as the liaison officer attended a public information officer's training at the Office of Emergency Services for the County back in March. And I attended Novato's emergency evacuation drill back in March as well in further preparation for a training event that I am planning for some time in next year where we'll be going We'll do an evacuation drill. It's one portion of our society. Um, So I actually got stuck serving as a safety officer. So I was roaming around Novato in places that even though I grew up in Novato, I didn't know existed. And it was quite a good life. |
| 03:42:14.47 | Jim Irving (Fire Chief) | It was. |
| 03:42:17.02 | Sergeant Frost | drill for me to learn different aspects and also to see how much I've forgotten about my lovely hometown. Plans, we're always trying to come up with the best plans and best plan for action for the city to take. during an emergency. We created a disaster survival checklist for citizens to use to ensure They are properly prepared for their needs if and when a disaster is going to strike. And also, I am continuing to update and develop an evacuation and tidal wave tsunami protocol for the city. We had incorporated some maps designed from the University of Southern California, as well as Cal-EMA regarding what the city could experience and could expect from actually a large scale tsunami in wet areas of our waterfront. and in some areas beyond to the west of Bridgeway, can encounter if we did encounter a truly large tsunami. Part of this is actually utilizing the information we gained through meetings we had with Dorothy Gibson and the Department of Public Works to find out some of the well-known stairwells, Um, And we're going to use those to come up with evacuation routes and possible routes so we can utilize people from not only driving away but in foot, bicycle and car. It's amazing how much of a city, even though I've worked here for 15 years, there's still a couple trails. pathways and stairs, I do not know. I apologize ahead of time for talking fast. I'm tired. I have to be at work in the morning, and I'm trying to get through this. |
| 03:43:48.28 | Unknown | If you need to. |
| 03:43:48.51 | Sergeant Frost | If you need me to slow down, please let me know. Equipment, we are continuing to safely exercise and test our emergency broadcast system over Radio Sausalito. We have yet to have a failure. It's worked perfectly during the emergencies we needed to utilize it for. be it both tsunamis over the last two years, as well as the missing 90-year-old back in earlier this year. always has worked flawlessly and we have a lot of feedback from the public regarding how they have actually heard about that information. We also, in order to best notify our emergency operation personnel, I signed a contract with Marin County to utilize their means, which is a Marin Emergency Automated Notification System, so I could reach all our Emergency Operations Center personnel quickly. THE CITY IS GOING TO BE be it via their cell phone, their home number, their office number, their email, their pager, to let them know we had an emergency, this is what we're going to need to do, this is how many who needs to come in. this is what to expect or if it's just a heads up. So the basic aspect is that is no matter where they run or hide, I can still pester them. Um, We have tested this system several times. It has worked. We've renewed our contract with Nixle, which is the online notification system we use via text messages and emails. One of the bonuses of this is that when we did have that missing, 90 year old lady. Um. We sent out a Nixo message to warn the public to be on the lookout. Well, a lot of our volunteers in public safety saw that Nixle message and used that to activate themselves, to come out and assist the first responders, to assist search and rescue. So it is a great system. in order to notify for awareness, but also to activate some of our citizen reserve corps. that is so essential for any of us in public safety. community outreach. We have updated the Police Department's Disaster Preparedness website with information regarding surviving disasters, protecting property or businesses, Uh, the existence of a telephone emergency notification system which is a reverse 911 that we utilize in all types of emergencies. And that's another system that was down during the time of the tsunami, once again, because of the guy who wanted to go home early. And we are posting the minutes from the Disaster Preparedness Committee's meetings, which are monthly meetings, on the website, so everybody could look and see what the Disaster Preparedness Committee is doing. Speaking of the Disaster Preparedness Committee, we meet every single month. And we plan. events and encourage public education and participation in disaster preparedness activities. In some of the events I'm going to be talking about very shortly, we've seen a lot of citizen awareness, positive contacts, and citizens that want to become involved in the process. It's no longer just the city or one group pushing it upon, saying, hey, you may want to do this. It's citizens coming up saying, we want to do this. Um, I actually have made contact with the numerous real estate agents and realtors in the city of Sausalito and provided them disaster preparedness information, be it emergency checklists, guides on how citizens can prepare themselves and things to do in an emergency so they could give that to their clients that are now moving into Sausalito, buying property, being renters, We've had a good core group of realtors who have taken that information and have started passing it out to the new residents of Sausalito because we want to get them involved from the beginning. And we have used Nixle numerous times as well as press releases and emergency broadcasts to keep the citizens informed of emergencies, serious weather conditions, and public awareness events that we are hosting. In addition, we hosted a series of neighborhood meetings throughout the city back in May. Um, As with all these events, some were very well attended, others were sparsely attended, but we got the word out there. that we had these meetings, and for every One person who attended I had probably about five to ten phone calls or emails from others that could not have attended but wanted information. so the citizens all aware. And we are going to continue to do this on a yearly event. and target different areas of the city. So we're going to cover the entire city. We also, as a Disaster Preparedness Committee, we staffed an information table in the Caledonia Street Fair We passed out numerous items of information. We had over 100 members of the communities from Sausalito alone gather information from us and then we had numerous other members of community throughout Marin County talk to us. I then attended the Marin Interagency Coalition's annual conference and I spoke to the members regarding the methods of communication we use to get information out to our residents. Sausalito is at the forefront of many of our different systems such as the broadcast system and Nixle. And a lot of cities are trying to follow our lead. So it was kind of nice to be the tip of the spear, basically, in that area. our future plans. As always, we're continuing with our community outreach, our public education, and just getting through as much information to the public as possible. We're going to continue to test the monthly emergency broadcast system to ensure it's working. We're also going to continually test the means device to make sure that we can get a hold of our emergency operations center personnel. We're going to continue training our city personnel to be the best first responders in an emergency operations center management team as possible. Um, Always looking for better ways to fund and equip our emergency operations center, the primary one at the fire department as well as our backup one here at City Hall. We're preparing for the city's annual disaster preparedness awareness day. This will be on October 15th. We're going to be putting out some information and press releases within the next few days. I'm not sure. we are going to be combining with The garage sale, the city's garage sale, so we have a larger target audience. We're going to bring more people in. Biggest thing there is if we land helicopters, we want to make sure that we don't blow away the garage sale. Um... which has been brought to my attention on numerous occasions. |
| 03:50:13.53 | Unknown | numerous occasions. |
| 03:50:16.27 | Sergeant Frost | And we are also already in the process of developing our next emergency operations training exercise That will be occurring on November 10th. It's a catastrophe cut. |
| 03:50:27.49 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 03:50:28.11 | Sergeant Frost | Try to play a little play on words, so the members probably will get an idea of what it may entail. but we want to make sure that we are going to be ready for any future events that may be impacting the city of Sausalito. And with that, that's the end of my presentation. I'm sorry I talked fast. |
| 03:50:43.28 | Unknown | That's right. |
| 03:50:43.64 | Sergeant Frost | But any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer. |
| 03:50:48.03 | Jonathan Leone | Just one question, Bill. With the reverse lookup and the Nixle notifications, is there a way for a citizen to change... |
| 03:50:49.23 | Sergeant Frost | with the |
| 03:50:56.74 | Jonathan Leone | and how you would verify that's the other side of it. Or just sign up for it to be notified through a different phone number, or if I'm unlisted, if the reverse lookup isn't gonna get me, And the same thing with Nixle. How would the average Joe get on that list? Do they get these releases quickly, their email blasts that go out, and the emergency. |
| 03:51:17.69 | Sergeant Frost | For Nixle, there are instructions on individuals to be able to sign up. They could sign up their cell phone, their email, whatever they want, and it's up to them what kind of information they want. It could be just disaster events, it could be just emergencies. |
| 03:51:18.47 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. |
| 03:51:24.44 | Jonathan Leone | whatever they were. |
| 03:51:24.97 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:51:25.03 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:51:25.05 | Unknown | and it's up to the top. |
| 03:51:30.75 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. All right. |
| 03:51:31.13 | Sergeant Frost | and they can update it whenever they want. |
| 03:51:33.39 | Jonathan Leone | And that's on the city website? |
| 03:51:34.96 | Sergeant Frost | That's on the city website. |
| 03:51:36.16 | Jonathan Leone | So if there's a way to highlight that on the front page that isn't just lost in text links, because we have an older looking site, that would be great. |
| 03:51:44.98 | Sergeant Frost | And then for the 10 system, Currently, what Marin County is utilizing for the means or the TEN system only goes on hard line phone numbers, There is a new system that the county and its allied agencies such as ourselves are talking about, which are going to incorporate possibly unlisted numbers, cell phone numbers in which, citizens are going to be able to enter themselves in so it's not one Hard core database that's only this one type. Citizens could go in there and enter, I want my cell phone. If anybody still carries a pager, I want my pager. |
| 03:52:12.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:52:19.12 | Sergeant Frost | all this information, they'll be able to enter that, and then we could reach any kind of communications device they want. |
| 03:52:24.82 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, because a lot of people under 30, they don't have a timeline. They just go with their cell phone. So that would be great. |
| 03:52:27.15 | Sergeant Frost | They don't have a line line. |
| 03:52:31.54 | Jonathan Leone | Maybe people over 30, not trying to discriminate, but certainly I know that. |
| 03:52:32.01 | Sergeant Frost | Thank you. |
| 03:52:37.04 | Jonathan Leone | It's predominant. So that's great. So that's the time frame for that is |
| 03:52:41.00 | Sergeant Frost | Time frame. The contract for the county is actually coming due within the next few months. There have already been some research The time frame could be anywhere from three months to a year. The pre-existing systems will stay in place. We're just making sure that we get the best system available. |
| 03:52:59.33 | Unknown | Yes. Any questions? |
| 03:53:01.73 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Sergeant Frats. |
| 03:53:03.55 | Sergeant Frost | Thank you. |
| 03:53:04.04 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry. |
| 03:53:04.16 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you very much. |
| 03:53:04.85 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:53:04.88 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:53:04.90 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:53:04.93 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:53:04.97 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you for that. But also just emphasize what you said, that once, you know, you have pushed us to the, you know, in the forefront of the county of being ready. And that is credit to your hard work. |
| 03:53:09.62 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:53:18.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:53:19.36 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Thank you very much. Chief Tejada, wait a minute. |
| 03:53:19.51 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. Thank you very much. |
| 03:53:21.24 | Sergeant Frost | Thank you. |
| 03:53:21.66 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 03:53:21.77 | Sergeant Frost | Thank you. |
| 03:53:21.83 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry. |
| 03:53:22.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:53:22.35 | Sergeant Frost | Thank you. |
| 03:53:22.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:53:23.97 | Sergeant Frost | It's been a very, it's not only been for myself, it's been a city-wide effort. And I just, from the council to the city management, to my own department, to all departments, sometimes I get the applause because I'm actually at the table. but it's a team effort. |
| 03:53:41.75 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | Well, while it might be a team effort, you do get applause because you deserve applause because, as you appropriately said, we are at the forefront of disaster preparedness. And it's in large part due to the effort of Sergeant Frost. |
| 03:53:44.94 | Sergeant Frost | Thank you. |
| 03:53:54.16 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | who does all of this work in addition to his regular job. and he fits it in. And it's amazing what he can accomplish. So I didn't want this opportunity tonight to go without formally recognizing you, with a certificate of appreciation signed by Adam and myself in recognition of your hard work and effort in your leadership role as the city of Sausalito's emergency services manager. You've done an excellent job. You exceed all expectations and you make Sausalito look good. Not just look good, but I think we are prepared and we're on top of things. So thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:54:40.87 | Chief Tahara (Police Chief) | And I have one other item to give to him. In law enforcement, we go through various milestones as we progress in our experience. And one of the major ones for many people is their supervisory certificate from the police officer standards and training, the California governing body for what we do in our training. And so Sergeant Frost gets his this year and it's his police officer standards and training. He's been awarded a supervisory certificate in recognition of his abilities as a supervisor and he has completed all the mandates to receive this award certificate. |
| 03:55:27.06 | Jonathan Leone | Thanks to Tom and the other members of the Disaster Preparedness Committee for their hard work, too. |
| 03:55:32.10 | Herb Weiner | And I guess we'll see you tomorrow night at the meeting. I'll be there. Okay. Thank you very much. Good job. No sleeping in the car tonight. You can sleep in her car. I'll be at Coast Guard East. All right. Next, approve the consultant services agreement for preparation of the housing element. Lily Shinsink. |
| 03:55:37.30 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:55:37.33 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 03:55:37.67 | Unknown | . |
| 03:55:38.02 | Unknown | I'll be there. |
| 03:55:38.38 | Unknown | Yeah, yeah. Yeah. you Thank you. |
| 03:55:46.65 | Unknown | I'll be at Coast Guard Baseball. |
| 03:55:59.98 | Unknown | made it this far. |
| 03:56:01.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:01.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:01.40 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:56:01.57 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:56:01.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:01.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:01.75 | Herb Weiner | Oh, you're young, you're young. |
| 03:56:03.74 | Unknown | Good evening, Mayor, Councilmembers, and members of the public. staff report this evening on the approval of a consultant services agreement for the housing element preparation. And a little PowerPoint for you as well. |
| 03:56:26.83 | Unknown | Staff in the Housing Element Task Force have completed a number of items in the Housing Element preparation since December of 2009. However, there are a large number of items still to complete. including the sites inventory, developing goals, policies, and programs, conducting one additional community workshop, review of the draft element by the Planning Commission and the City Council. submitting the element to the state of California responding to the state's comments. and then making appropriate revisions and subsequent review by the Planning Commission and City Council. and then resubmission to the state, and finally adoption by the city council. Staff is recommending an aggressive schedule which would aim for the receipt of initial comments from HCD, the state housing and community development department, by April of 2012. A housing element consultant is needed to assist in this aggressive schedule. On August 22nd, the task force discussed the need for a housing element consultant, and by consensus recommended the city send out a request for a proposal, RFP, to consulting firms. Thank you. The task force also recommended that the RFP be sent to those communities who hired consultants to help them prepare housing element updates, which whose RHNA strategies relied solely or largely on an ADU-only strategy. And so the specific communities that were identified were Woodside, Belvedere, and Hillsboro. On August 24th, staff sent RFP to nine consulting firms with experience in preparing housing element updates, including those with experience in Marin County, in the Bay Area, and then those specifically requested by the task force. We received proposals from four consulting firms, which are listed on the screen, by the due date of September 6th. The next day, interviews were conducted by a six-member panel, consisting of task force members Cox, Flahive, and Cleveland Knowles. In addition, Planning Commissioner Warner sat on the interview panel. and Community Development Director Jeremy Graves and myself were also on the panel. After conducting interviews with the candidate firms, the interview panel discussed the firms taking into consideration their compatibility with Sausalito, their professional experience, their record on similar projects, and their responsiveness to their request for proposal. After discussing the candidates, the panel determined the proposal submitted by M Group was, it exceeded the other proposals due to four main factors. First is that M Group has the most experience working with small, unique communities like Sausalito, including Velvideira, Los Altos Hills, and Woodside. They also have the most familiarity with developing an HCD accepted ADU amnesty program. Their team member, Karen Warner, has authored over 100 housing elements throughout the state. and their senior team members will be in attendance at the task force meetings. |
| 03:59:55.39 | Unknown | The total contract amount for M Group is $67,578. This fee includes both fixed costs and a time and materials estimate cost for Phase 1, which is the first phase to get us to submitting to the state for their comments. And then there's a time and materials estimate for Phase 2, which is all the work that needs to be done after we receive comments from HCV. Staff is recommending 10% of the total contract amount be budgeted to serve as a buffer should additional meetings or other expenses be needed beyond the contract amount. And so the total budget amount would be $74,336. There's a balance in the monies allocated for the housing element update. of $25,000, and therefore the requested supplemental appropriation from the general fund to the Planning Division's professional services budget is $49,336. |
| 04:01:01.87 | Unknown | Staff is recommending the city council to authorize the city manager to execute a professional services agreement with M Group in the amount of $67,578 for the preparation of the housing element update. consistent with their proposal. in your stock report. |
| 04:01:20.75 | Unknown | Mm. |
| 04:01:21.25 | Unknown | Additionally, Staff is recommending the City Council authorize a $49,336 supplemental appropriation from the general fund. to the Planning Division's Professional Services account. And that concludes my staff report, and I'm available for questions. |
| 04:01:39.52 | Jonathan Leone | Lillie, in your opinion, you know, their bid at the top, these two firms were significantly greater than the other two firms who submitted responses. What's the, what drove that large cost differential in your mind? Was there added services in some that weren't being provided in others? |
| 04:01:58.18 | Unknown | Menteer-Harnish's proposal was the lowest. That was the interview panel did question them on that. They have been working with us on our workshops, and so they were saying that they were pretty up to speed on our documents and they wouldn't have as much review time to do. PMC, I'm not quite sure why theirs was in the middle range, but all of the consultants responded to the proposal. There weren't any above and beyond. Thank you. Thank you. and benefits. |
| 04:02:35.38 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. And, um... So is staff recommending the M group, or is the committee recommending the M group, or was there consensus between the two? |
| 04:02:45.81 | Unknown | There was consensus on the interview panel from everyone for M group. |
| 04:02:50.68 | Jonathan Leone | from the committee or the task force. No. |
| 04:02:53.21 | Unknown | from the three members of the task force, Commissioner Warner and your community development director and myself. |
| 04:03:00.28 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. |
| 04:03:01.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:01.75 | Jonathan Leone | it. I've never received emails from the community about as many as I have for recommending a consultant. And I don't know where those, how those were generated. |
| 04:03:07.64 | Unknown | Thank you. for the |
| 04:03:09.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:09.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:09.60 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:03:09.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:12.82 | Mike Kelly | and how those were generated. Well, it's because, and they can tell you the people that sent the emails, but it's because they did Woodside and Belvedere. And those are two communities that did their ADUs, or did their element 100% ADUs. So the thought was that group was the best qualified to |
| 04:03:31.57 | Herb Weiner | fit into the world. |
| 04:03:31.98 | Jonathan Leone | to add. |
| 04:03:32.09 | Mike Kelly | We've got it into our community where we've got to get it in 80 years as possible. |
| 04:03:32.47 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:03:35.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:35.84 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, no, I read the emails why they were recommending them, but where did that... |
| 04:03:37.10 | Sergeant Frost | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:03:37.16 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:03:38.32 | Sergeant Frost | like, |
| 04:03:38.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:39.55 | Sergeant Frost | THE FAMILY IS Where'd they come from? |
| 04:03:41.85 | Jonathan Leone | I know who sent them, but they weren't on the committee, they weren't part of the process, so it's just like, how did they get... |
| 04:03:43.21 | Sergeant Frost | Thank you. |
| 04:03:43.23 | Mike Kelly | but, um, |
| 04:03:43.52 | Sergeant Frost | how |
| 04:03:44.01 | Kayla Conn | They were. |
| 04:03:45.86 | Mike Kelly | THE END OF It's just like, where did somebody get? Thank you. |
| 04:03:48.38 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 04:03:48.40 | Mike Kelly | because of Woodside and Belvedere. |
| 04:03:48.46 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. But I mean, how would they have known |
| 04:03:52.44 | Mike Kelly | because they were told to go look there. When you looked at Belvedere's, Woodside's plan, these people's name came up because they were the preparer of Woodside's plan. |
| 04:04:03.25 | Herb Weiner | Okay, for the sake of time. |
| 04:04:04.63 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you. |
| 04:04:05.49 | Jonathan Leone | I've never had anyone get to that level of detail on any issue and saw that they wanted to recommend a consultant to somebody who's obviously for fanning something to get people to send in these responses. |
| 04:04:17.71 | Herb Weiner | Well, we're going to fan this and go on with the staff recommendation. Okay. Do we have a recommendation on authorizing? I'm sorry, any public comment? Come on up, Susan. |
| 04:04:20.52 | Jonathan Leone | for a few. |
| 04:04:25.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:04:25.96 | Susan Shea | I'm sorry, any public comment? |
| 04:04:33.89 | Susan Shea | So my name is Susan Shea, 522 Spring Street. The reason you're getting those emails that are so specific is that there's a number of us that have been following this task force and sitting in on meetings and are agreeing with the task force that, in fact, given the time frame, being so short that we need a consultant to help the planners. I mean, Jeremy has said, everybody said it. We won't make this. |
| 04:05:06.29 | Herb Weiner | We don't want to. Unless... |
| 04:05:09.23 | Susan Shea | unless we get help. |
| 04:05:09.34 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:05:11.47 | Susan Shea | And so, What we tried to do, along with the task force together, community members who are not on the task force but that have been attending the last four or five |
| 04:05:17.46 | Herb Weiner | MEETING. |
| 04:05:17.66 | Kayla Conn | community. |
| 04:05:23.57 | Susan Shea | task force meetings, said, let's get somebody who has some Bay Area expertise. The lowest bidder is Central Valley, which would not be helpful to us at all. I mean, they'd just kind of throw the papers at |
| 04:05:38.25 | Unknown | all. |
| 04:05:42.86 | Susan Shea | before. |
| 04:05:43.87 | Mike Kelly | I don't know who they're that bad, but they're not experienced. |
| 04:05:46.77 | Susan Shea | No, but I'm sorry. I'm Irish, so I'm... Thank you. laughter |
| 04:05:50.84 | Mike Kelly | . |
| 04:05:53.20 | Jonathan Leone | opinion about that part. |
| 04:05:53.49 | Susan Shea | about that part. Yeah. I guess so, and I never even met him. |
| 04:05:55.31 | Jonathan Leone | I don't know. |
| 04:05:55.90 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:05:55.95 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 04:05:55.97 | Unknown | I guess so, and I never even... |
| 04:05:57.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:05:57.98 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:05:58.03 | Susan Shea | Bye. |
| 04:05:58.53 | Herb Weiner | Well, Susan... |
| 04:05:58.65 | Susan Shea | Oh, That's how I heard. |
| 04:06:01.08 | Herb Weiner | We don't want to get your Irish up. |
| 04:06:03.02 | Susan Shea | Okay. |
| 04:06:03.31 | Herb Weiner | So, |
| 04:06:03.87 | Susan Shea | But to make a further comment about this. I think that the other reason that this consultant would perhaps be a big boon to the city staff is that they this woman seems really interested in mentoring staff, not just handing you you know, a report at the end of this saying, okay, this is how we will fill in blanks and da-da-da, but rather, helping us bridge. relationships with Sacramento so that the next time we go through this, the planning staff can have relationships and know people and we won't need a consultant. kind of like what Heidi did. figuring it out, making the relationships, going up and having coffee and lunch and all that stuff, and then the next time in 2014, We don't have to get $70,000. Bye. |
| 04:07:16.11 | Unknown | So |
| 04:07:16.48 | Susan Shea | you |
| 04:07:16.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:16.75 | Susan Shea | So anyway, that was the reason. |
| 04:07:18.13 | Unknown | That was the risk. That's why you guys were waiting. Okay, that was good. |
| 04:07:23.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:23.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:26.98 | Pat Sook | I'm usually fairly quick to be critical and fairly articulate about it, and I stayed late tonight specifically to compliment Lily Shinseng on this work. I thought that I read the staff report. I thought the RFP was really well done, and the staff analysis was really good. Excellent. And by the way, I think the committee recommendation is lovely as well. If you look at the materials attached to the committee recommendation, you'll see that one of the, Chief planners is someone named Heather Hines, and Heather Hines spent a couple of years here as a member of the planning staff. So I think that can go a long way towards helping the M group be familiar with us and our peculiarities and needs. I hope you go with it. |
| 04:08:17.45 | Herb Weiner | Thank you, Pat. Anybody else? Okay, let's bring it back up. Step. |
| 04:08:24.25 | Mike Kelly | I'll make a motion. Authorize City Manager Executive Services Agreement with M Group in amount of 67 to 578 for preparation of housing element update consistent with the proposal and to authorize $49,336 supplemental appropriation from the General Fund of the Planning Division's Professional Services Account 100-180-3000-320. |
| 04:08:46.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:46.63 | Herb Weiner | Okay. All in favor? Second. All in favor? Aye. Lily, good job. Thank you very much. |
| 04:08:48.35 | Mike Kelly | I'm sorry. Thank you. |
| 04:08:51.94 | Unknown | I don't know. you guys. |
| 04:08:54.10 | Carolyn Ford | Good job. Thank you very much. Thank you, Larry. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:08:59.10 | Herb Weiner | And for that, you go home. |
| 04:08:59.18 | Carolyn Ford | And for that... |
| 04:09:02.54 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:09:02.62 | Herb Weiner | Eh? |
| 04:09:03.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:04.60 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Okay. We're gonna just quick move on the... 6, we moved from the consent and we took it on 6D, and that would be the, that would be. |
| 04:09:15.20 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:09:15.21 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. |
| 04:09:20.43 | Carolyn Ford | That would be... Four, six. |
| 04:09:22.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:22.52 | Herb Weiner | foresee or not foresee? That is the question. |
| 04:09:24.73 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. |
| 04:09:24.97 | Unknown | Thank you. The Pacific Ecarus. Thank you. |
| 04:09:30.26 | Herb Weiner | environmental and ecological evaluation of shallow marine sediments at Cass Marina and Tourney Street Boat Ramp and Marina sites. of thing, old man. |
| 04:09:42.08 | Jonathon Goldman | Mr. Mayor. |
| 04:09:43.12 | Herb Weiner | Hehehehe. |
| 04:09:44.14 | Jonathon Goldman | Mr. Weiss-Pleiss-Mayor, members of the council, staff, members of the public, those listening and watching at home. |
| 04:09:50.33 | Herb Weiner | I'm not going to be a |
| 04:09:50.63 | Unknown | you |
| 04:09:50.67 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:09:52.44 | Jonathon Goldman | I did not prepare a presentation on this item, but I understand that there are questions, and I'm delighted to try to respond. If I keel over, perhaps you'll continue the matter. |
| 04:09:58.21 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 04:09:58.26 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 04:10:06.28 | Linda Pfeifer | Happy Tuesday, Jonathan. |
| 04:10:08.05 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. You too. |
| 04:10:09.45 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Yeah. You too. |
| 04:10:11.34 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:10:11.36 | Linda Pfeifer | Ha ha ha ha. Thank you. So I pulled this because something caught my eye, which was on a 4C page 13. and the reference and overview where it says, while modification or expansion of either facility will also require additional permitting, obtaining permits for expansion activities is not covered in the scope. But it says earlier, in addition, the city is interested in the potential expansion of these facilities. Any future expansion in those two years will require maintenance, dredging, permits, et cetera. So I thought that what we were going to be voting on was just kind of their assessment of what they've always done. And this sentence suggested to me, if the city is interested in potential expansion, I would like to understand what that expansion looks like or what's being tossed around out there. |
| 04:11:13.74 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. Thank you. |
| 04:11:14.98 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:11:17.49 | Linda Pfeifer | you you know, It's... |
| 04:11:20.98 | Jonathon Goldman | I understand your question and I think to some extent I could have done a better job of explaining that in the staff report. The consultant that I contacted, what I asked them to do was help us out with jump-starting a process that is really a critical path process, no matter what happens with those facilities. As it stands now, they are not well-maintained. And in order for the routine maintenance that would need to happen if the tenants that had been there in the past were still there to happen, this kind of work needs to happen. What's more, um, the opportunity that another tenant |
| 04:12:18.80 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I feel you understand. |
| 04:12:20.20 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:12:22.96 | Jonathon Goldman | went through an entire battle. Okay. |
| 04:12:25.97 | Unknown | . |
| 04:12:26.20 | Jonathon Goldman | I don't need enough. . |
| 04:12:28.48 | Unknown | Ugh. |
| 04:12:29.00 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:12:29.04 | Unknown | and I |
| 04:12:29.58 | Jonathon Goldman | you |
| 04:12:29.76 | Unknown | So did I. That's shocking. |
| 04:12:34.84 | Carolyn Ford | Maybe that's telling us we should continue this. |
| 04:12:37.61 | Unknown | Thank you. . |
| 04:12:42.88 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. |
| 04:12:43.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:13:02.40 | Jonathon Goldman | or backlog. |
| 04:13:03.35 | Linda Pfeifer | Just keep plugging along. |
| 04:13:05.66 | Jonathon Goldman | The point that I was trying to make and I don't know when I got lost, but for any entity to come in and offer a proposal to the city as to how they would make best use and generate revenue with those facilities, I didn't want to preclude the possibility that they, for example, would say, you know, the boats that used to be docked at Cass were shallow draft, and I need to have, be able to accommodate boats that are deeper draft. That means that we need to look at characterization of materials outside the existing footprint of Cass Marina so that boats can get in and out from the channel that the Richardson's Bay channel that is arguably the Corps of Engineers responsibility. Same kind of thing with respect to the turning boat ramp and the marina that's there. our objective is to gather enough information so that we, the council, is in a position to decide how much work to do and make that decision based on an accurate estimate of what it will cost to do it instead of So that's what we're attempting to gather is that kind of information. |
| 04:14:18.93 | Linda Pfeifer | So, in other words, this is not... I've got a couple questions from that. This is not to go and get the permit to do the dredging. This is to assess the situation, look at the eelgrass scenarios, And to... come back with a financial assessment to this council on how much it would cost and what that would look like. with respect to if we were to dredge. |
| 04:14:49.15 | Jonathon Goldman | Correct up to the point where this consultant is not necessarily going to provide that financial analysis. They're going to provide the data that would allow staff to provide a financial analysis. And fundamentally it comes down to what are the characteristics of the material that would have to be dredged. |
| 04:15:00.37 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Thank you. |
| 04:15:00.39 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:15:00.41 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Thank you. |
| 04:15:00.42 | Kayla Conn | Okay. |
| 04:15:07.21 | Jonathon Goldman | If... |
| 04:15:07.24 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | Yeah. |
| 04:15:07.63 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:15:08.58 | Jonathon Goldman | you know, we needed to accommodate boats of a certain draft, et cetera, et cetera. Then it's based on recent history and the South Saludio Yacht Harbor is in the process of being dredged at the moment. Pelican recently went through dredging. I know Clipper's done some. We'll have current cost information on |
| 04:15:13.20 | Kayla Conn | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:15:28.47 | Jonathon Goldman | what the unit cost for disposal of dredged materials that have to go outside the Golden Gate for example versus those that could be reused on site to construct the O'Grass beds or disposed of at the Alcatraz disposal area. |
| 04:15:42.24 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:15:42.26 | Linda Pfeifer | I'm not bad. |
| 04:15:47.71 | Linda Pfeifer | So when you are, the other question I had was what you said that there were, you were looking, you're going to have this consultant look at the prospect of having, judging for large boats too, whereas right now there are smaller boats. Did I hear that correctly or did I get that wrong? |
| 04:16:08.67 | Jonathon Goldman | It really just goes to a question of how deep do they collect samples from below when they find mud. Thank you. |
| 04:16:15.45 | Unknown | Uh-huh. |
| 04:16:15.67 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. If... For example, we have a prospective tenant who comes in and says, my boats don't have keels and I don't need any dredging in order to do this development. We'll know what that would cost to develop. If alternatively someone comes in and says, I need to be able to accommodate boats with a draft of five feet, then we'll have the information to allow us to evaluate how much dredging would have to be done to accommodate those vessels. Not only us, but that information is then available to people who might propose to the city to lease or develop those properties instead of us having to rely on them to gather the information and work out the... |
| 04:16:30.98 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:16:31.03 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 04:17:01.10 | Linda Pfeifer | And |
| 04:17:02.95 | Jonathon Goldman | the pro forma associated with that kind of proposal. |
| 04:17:04.27 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. Okay, I guess what threw me off was the phrase the city had, you know, the city is interested in potential expansion. So that suggested to me there might be a plan out there. That was the word. |
| 04:17:13.57 | Mike Kelly | So it's... That was the word of the consultant. The staff recommendation, you could call this what it is. It's a... evaluation of shallow marine sediments at Cast Marina. |
| 04:17:26.82 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah, I know. I read that. I read that, but then I read what Yeah, that's just a consultant. This had written in it. |
| 04:17:27.47 | Mike Kelly | I read it. |
| 04:17:30.83 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:17:30.92 | Carolyn Ford | I told you. |
| 04:17:31.35 | Mike Kelly | Just hippies. |
| 04:17:31.83 | Carolyn Ford | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 04:17:32.87 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:17:32.92 | Carolyn Ford | My bad. |
| 04:17:32.98 | Mike Kelly | But... |
| 04:17:33.02 | Jonathon Goldman | Bye. |
| 04:17:33.33 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:17:33.77 | Carolyn Ford | you Well, it is the first stage for dredging, right? What's the first thing you would do before you decided to dredge? |
| 04:17:40.81 | Jonathon Goldman | It's... correct or decided not to |
| 04:17:44.13 | Carolyn Ford | Or not to dredge. Okay. So this is not part of an America's Cup plan, or is it? |
| 04:17:52.57 | Jonathon Goldman | It isn't. And my judgment is work, and the reason it's before you this evening, is it's work that would have to be done for us to attract |
| 04:18:02.25 | Mike Kelly | Thank you. Christ's sake. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:18:04.21 | Unknown | you |
| 04:18:04.26 | Mike Kelly | Don't hit me. Don't shush me. Put your hand on my side of the table. Well. Okay, come on. Come on, you guys. Come on, you guys. |
| 04:18:08.73 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 04:18:08.78 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. |
| 04:18:09.04 | Unknown | Okay, come on. |
| 04:18:10.71 | Linda Pfeifer | . |
| 04:18:10.89 | Unknown | you |
| 04:18:11.06 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:18:11.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:18:11.32 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:18:11.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:18:11.45 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:18:11.48 | Unknown | Whoa. |
| 04:18:13.96 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:18:14.05 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:18:14.37 | Linda Pfeifer | Ms. Bowman. |
| 04:18:14.71 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor. It was |
| 04:18:14.76 | Linda Pfeifer | It was a good question, Carolyn. Keep going. |
| 04:18:18.40 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, may I just ask to provide a little clarification here. As the council is aware, we have many folks in the community that have given us various proposals for Castle Marina. Heather Richards has come before us and she's and her group are lining up to come either in October I believe in October, to give a presentation of their proposal. to all of this. It's more of a reaction from what Heather Richards and her group have come forward to say what they'd like to see happen at, at Casa Marina. What they didn't have many, many months ago when they first came to you folks, and I think she's contacted each of you at least once, is they didn't have any financing. So they now have met with staff, including myself and Charlie, to talk to us about how they're going to raise the money to do their efforts. but I'll wait for her to come at a future meeting in October. really what Jonathan is talking about. was more associated with that. but not to exclude the America's Cup because we still haven't heard any presentation of what we want to do or not want to do, with the Americas come. So I think it, ends up as Jonathan has been stating more inclusive at the end of having data that provides us what we can do or can't do and then what the council approves and what the council doesn't approve. |
| 04:19:43.94 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. Well, that was my concern because this was a surprise to me the last time we talked about these two areas. We had not looked at this kind of project. We had, in my mind, had always considered that the business that went in there would do whatever they needed to do. And the city would work with them on that. So this is a new approach and it takes money out of the rip-rap portion of the budget, I noticed. |
| 04:19:43.99 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:20:02.81 | Unknown | do. Thank you. |
| 04:20:12.93 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:20:15.25 | Carolyn Ford | John? |
| 04:20:15.41 | Jonathan Leone | Jonathan, quick question on the necessity at this point in time to do toxicity tests. You really want to know, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but most times you don't You'd rather not know what this is and let whoever's going to do a project figure out what it is. Obviously, this whole area was a dump. So you're not going to get good results from this. That's just the reality of it. what this is, because once you know, you've got to clean it up. So if you do these tests... Or they have to clean it up. No, they don't have to clean it. Nobody has to clean it up. It's the city's property. And you go chase the woman from Casparina to get money out of her. In Canada, she doesn't have any money. And she'll say, it's a dump, and it was a dump before I got there. |
| 04:20:45.10 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:20:47.14 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:20:47.16 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:20:47.17 | Unknown | IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, |
| 04:20:47.97 | Carolyn Ford | They have to clean it up. |
| 04:20:49.10 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:21:04.67 | Jonathan Leone | I don't mean a dump like a rundown, it was a dump. |
| 04:21:09.02 | Unknown | So, |
| 04:21:10.53 | Jonathan Leone | So my concern with this and is that the need to do this at this time, I understand that to attract interested parties that to tell them what the story is out there is great, but I don't know if this particular element of it is something we want to engage in at this moment in time, unless you have a source of funds to deal with the resulting |
| 04:21:33.26 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:21:39.81 | Jonathan Leone | issues that arise from this. |
| 04:21:42.71 | Jonathon Goldman | I understand your question. I certainly don't disagree on one level, but the real question is, with the information as to what the marine sediments contain, what is the obligation going forward? To the best of my knowledge, these areas have always been underwater. they're not for example as Dunphy partners best of my knowledge, these areas have always been underwater. They're not, for example, as Dunphy Park was, which was a landfill which was closed under regulatory agency approval. That's not to say that there won't be undesirable chemicals potentially found in the materials but I don't know that the knowledge of what those those sediments contain automatically creates the obligation to remediate. I could be wrong. |
| 04:22:39.09 | Jonathan Leone | It depends what you find, right? And what the resulting things are. |
| 04:22:41.87 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 04:22:43.27 | Jonathan Goldman | Yeah, and in some instances the answer is you can't disturb it. Right. So, yeah, it does depend. |
| 04:22:46.33 | Jonathan Leone | Right. Thank you. Right, so, but I mean, I think, you know, I'm not saying you don't, from a, |
| 04:22:51.73 | Jonathan Goldman | I mean, |
| 04:22:56.18 | Jonathan Leone | I've done work in this field before that you shouldn't, from an all-choice to get a good thing to do, want to clean up every single the most ex-dump site in the world, but unless you have the money to do so, you know, once you start stirring it up, you're in it. There's no one else to turn to for money on this property but in the city. |
| 04:23:16.19 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:23:19.69 | Jonathan Leone | I just want to make sure we're thinking ahead. Not that you aren't. I just don't know. That once we do the assessment, you start the process rolling, because you're going to have to file this stuff with the EPA, and it starts. I mean, you know that this process is better than me, but from my experience with cleanup sites, once you start digging in, you've got to be ready for the consequences. |
| 04:23:22.71 | Jonathon Goldman | head. |
| 04:23:23.11 | Kayla Conn | you |
| 04:23:44.63 | Jonathon Goldman | And I am, for a variety of reasons, very familiar with that whole arena, having spent 25 years doing that. |
| 04:23:44.83 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 04:23:58.82 | Jonathon Goldman | the digging it up part is not what is being proposed. What's being proposed is to gather information. And then the question is does it have to be dug up just because it's there? And I agree that there is some potential risk that what we find |
| 04:24:01.89 | Jonathan Leone | No, I know. What's being proposed is together. |
| 04:24:04.76 | Kayla Conn | I'm sorry. |
| 04:24:18.28 | Jonathon Goldman | we recognize as a potential environmental hazard that should be mitigated. And we might appreciate the fact that we know that not for any other reason but that we can prioritize our efforts, we can go to other funding sources and say, look, we've discovered a problem that we think it's in the public interest to resolve. Right. I think more likely. |
| 04:24:40.37 | Jonathan Leone | Right. I think more likely... I'm saying that we shouldn't... You know, this isn't an obligation that the city itself created. You're stuck with it because somebody gave you the land. |
| 04:24:49.28 | Jonathon Goldman | Right. |
| 04:24:49.57 | Jonathan Leone | . which is a smart move. If I own a dump, I'd give it to a city, and you clean it up later. Come chase me now. |
| 04:24:54.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:24:54.22 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 04:24:54.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:24:54.98 | Jonathan Leone | But now that I'm dead, come chase my estate, which has been liquidated long afterwards. DEAN BELLINGERMANN BY DEAD IN THE WATER? I'm not dead yet. So I just hope that we're |
| 04:25:01.87 | Mike Kelly | All right. THE So, I take a different take on it. that it's just sitting there. I went out there the other day and walked the whole thing just so I could understand what it was like. And it's deteriorating rapidly. Well, that's a separate issue. I think the building. But the question is, what is the long range view for this property? It's city property. Do we want to restore it to wetlands and just take all that stuff out and let it go back to nature? |
| 04:25:13.71 | Unknown | So, |
| 04:25:18.08 | Jonathan Leone | Well, that's a separate issue. |
| 04:25:27.04 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:25:31.48 | Mike Kelly | If that were the case and that was a collective decision we made, then I wouldn't do any more investigation. I'd just let it go and it does what it does. On the other hand, if we see that as a revenue generator for the city, as it presumably was at one point in time, we would want to know more about what's there and what we could do and what we couldn't do. And I think the risks are... probably high that will find toxicity there. There was a boat factory, for God's sake. They scraped lead off and everything else known to man. But, and I don't have a lot of experience on the waterfront, just a tiny bit, probably enough to be dangerous, but you don't have to disturb it usually. If it's there and it's not causing any problems, you get to leave it. You're not compelled to take it out once you find it, unless it or some nuclear or something. Yeah. So then that would argue. any problems, you get to leave it. You're not compelled to take it out once you find it, unless it were some nuclear or something. Or something, yeah. So then that would argue that knowing is better than not knowing, and we can bring it back and make a decision, return it to wetlands, leave it the way it is, and let somebody come in with shallow boats, or dredge it, because we've got nothing there to lose, and make the dredging the cost of renting it. I mean, we can make the tenant dredge it. |
| 04:26:18.68 | Kayla Conn | yourself to yourself. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:26:19.58 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 04:26:27.12 | Kayla Conn | you can see. |
| 04:26:27.19 | Jonathan Leone | Believe me, I... |
| 04:26:27.96 | Kayla Conn | Bring it back and make a decision. Yeah. |
| 04:26:42.34 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah. Well, that seems to me, because we don't know, do we, with Heather's proposal, for instance, whether that property would need to be dredged for her to have a small sailboat school there. and the kayaks. |
| 04:27:01.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:27:01.41 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. So it's late at night, and I'm really tired. I'd like to continue this to another meeting, because I think we may be getting the cart before the horse. And we may be spending money that the city doesn't want to spend, but I need some time to think about it when it's not midnight. |
| 04:27:22.77 | Herb Weiner | The thing that concerns me is that right now, even though we're not doing anything, it is a liability. If someone gets hurt out there and as far as dredging, |
| 04:27:24.48 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:27:29.89 | Carolyn Ford | you If someone gets |
| 04:27:31.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:27:31.31 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:27:31.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:27:33.84 | Carolyn Ford | That's different. We don't need to. |
| 04:27:38.16 | Herb Weiner | You always get a big boat and push that stuff right out of the way, and you already did |
| 04:27:42.45 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah, but I'll make a motion. But I would ask, Bill Price has offered, and I'm sure you've talked to him many times, to help us find grant money, just haul away the docks that are there, because you can't reuse those things. But just to be done with the public nuisance potential or the safety hazard that it is now and get rid of the people who keep starting to dock up there, and they get their home for a little while. So So I mean, I would call him on his bluff and say, if you can go find the money, we should just haul the stuff away and be done with it. And then I know he already hauled away some of it. That's a separate thing. I hope you pursue that and just see what he has in mind. But the motion I'd like to make, come back and let us know what that's all about, if there's some substance there or not. |
| 04:28:25.63 | John Flavin (Public Commenter) | But. |
| 04:28:34.24 | Carolyn Ford | Jonathan, could you explain that a little further? I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 04:28:37.82 | Jonathan Leone | Bill Price is the harbormaster for the RBRA, and he hauls out boats and everything. It's very expensive to haul stuff out, but he claims that there's money at the state and waterways now that the budget crisis has gone to or delayed for however long to apply for grant money like he does to haul out delinquent maritime-related debris. And he already took away some of the docks there at one point with Jonathan. So... |
| 04:28:39.28 | Carolyn Ford | for the ARPA. |
| 04:29:09.25 | Jonathan Leone | He claims there's money to be found. I don't know. Who knows? I'm assuming he knows more than us about getting from open waterway money. So if they can't be reused, which I can't say I know, yes or no, but it certainly would alleviate the public safety issue that exists down there on both docs. But I think the cast is a different state of deterioration than the Attorney Street stuff. |
| 04:29:31.61 | Unknown | you |
| 04:29:33.00 | Jonathan Leone | But that being said, so I'll make a motion to, as the staff, it is better to know, it's from just a fiduciary responsibility to the world, what's there, and since it's not, as long as you're prepared to deal with the consequences, and that's your job, and God bless you for it, then I'll trust you that you're ready to go. So I would make a motion to recommend, authorize the city to execute contract with Coff and Associates to provide consultation services for the city. Class, that's the other one. I heard the game. The Pacific View focus. |
| 04:30:11.57 | Unknown | You almost went for it. |
| 04:30:15.77 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 04:30:15.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:30:15.98 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 04:30:16.10 | Jonathan Leone | Wrong one. |
| 04:30:16.50 | Unknown | I gave you the one that was there. |
| 04:30:17.12 | Jonathan Leone | It's like, Thank you. |
| 04:30:19.18 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:30:24.82 | Jonathon Goldman | It was forced to... |
| 04:30:26.17 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:30:26.51 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:30:27.79 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. I take a motion to adopt a resolution approving an authorized city manager to execute consulting contract with Pacific Echorisk for environmental and ecological evaluation of the shallow marine sediments in Cass Marina and the Turning Street boat ramp and marina sites. |
| 04:30:29.38 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 04:30:43.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:30:43.81 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 04:30:43.82 | Carolyn Ford | you |
| 04:30:43.89 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 04:30:43.97 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. Mr. Mayor. you |
| 04:30:46.57 | Unknown | Um... |
| 04:30:47.11 | Carolyn Ford | I'd like to make a counter motion. |
| 04:30:50.59 | Unknown | Is there a second? Second. |
| 04:30:51.97 | Carolyn Ford | Okay. I'd like to make a counter motion. I think that before we move forward with this, we ought to hear Heather Richards' proposal. If we don't, in fact, need to dredge this area, or if the area's just fine for the use that it's been used for all these years for small boats, then I don't think we should be spending the money to actually have this report and taking money out of the rip-rap fund to do it. So I would, and again, I'm really tired and have not had a chance to even think about this, but, I mean, to I've thought about it, but my questions were such that I couldn't get all the answers together. So anyway. I would make a counter motion to continue this until we hear from Heather Richards |
| 04:31:50.11 | Unknown | So, second. |
| 04:31:50.90 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:31:56.75 | Carolyn Ford | and other people who may have proposals on this property until Thank you. and then put it back on the agenda at that time. |
| 04:32:07.28 | Sergeant Frost | Hmm. Thank you. |
| 04:32:08.30 | Mike Kelly | Mary. |
| 04:32:09.17 | Herb Weiner | We have a check-in on that check-in. |
| 04:32:10.91 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:32:10.93 | Linda Pfeifer | I will second that. |
| 04:32:13.46 | Unknown | and you Thank you. I have questions as to you, Jeff. |
| 04:32:16.45 | Linda Pfeifer | I was going to make an amendment. Go ahead. Go ahead. It's all right. |
| 04:32:16.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:19.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:19.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:19.89 | Unknown | Go ahead. It's all right. |
| 04:32:24.72 | Linda Pfeifer | Well, my amendment is I can see benefit no matter what we do with regards to task two, which is the eelgrass surveys. And that would cost, I believe, of the total, I think it's a line of Help me out, Jonathan. It's late and I'm seeing different columns. Is that the 5,000? That's a 10,000? Okay, that's a 10,000. That actually might be a good investment, you know, in terms of looking at the eelgrass habitat in that area and kind of assessing the because regardless of what happened or didn't happen there, that knowledge is something that we could use. with regards to, you know, moving forward in terms of expansion or not. |
| 04:33:25.97 | Carolyn Ford | Well, that's true, but if we don't need to dredge, If we don't need to dredge, the eelgrass will be left |
| 04:33:38.51 | Linda Pfeifer | It was my understanding, and I could be wrong, but I thought that if you If you have eelgrass and you have boats going through that, that it could be potentially. |
| 04:33:53.50 | Carolyn Ford | Oh, these boats, if you have small boats, they would be tied to the dock. They would not be moored. And so you wouldn't have that mooring issue of the anchors. Yeah, OK. I was thinking about the travel. |
| 04:33:54.24 | Linda Pfeifer | He's damaged. |
| 04:33:59.15 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 04:34:01.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:34:01.14 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:34:01.16 | Linda Pfeifer | Yeah. |
| 04:34:01.56 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:34:02.66 | Linda Pfeifer | And so, Yeah, yeah, okay. I was thinking about the travel, but okay, yeah, okay, I'll go with that. I'll second. |
| 04:34:08.77 | Debbie (Clerk) | But OK. |
| 04:34:09.51 | Carolyn Ford | Okay, I'll go with that. |
| 04:34:11.30 | Debbie (Clerk) | I- |
| 04:34:12.19 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Well, look, in the same, eelgrass, if you block it, even with a small boat, you kill it. |
| 04:34:12.56 | Debbie (Clerk) | you |
| 04:34:12.62 | Linda Pfeifer | you |
| 04:34:22.13 | Herb Weiner | It needs light. Okay, so whether it's a small boat or a big boat, if there's eelgrass there, you could do damage and You know, it's migratory. |
| 04:34:33.03 | Jonathan Leone | Well, there's two different areas, right? The boat ramp, which hasn't been dredged in some time, which needs to be dredged because that's actually a public safety route. And it's also used for a variety of things. And it's not a, you know, the route of that thing is something we need to consider. It's part of just being able to access the water. |
| 04:34:33.90 | Kayla Conn | Right. |
| 04:34:34.12 | Herb Weiner | Right. Thank you. |
| 04:34:41.89 | Fritz Warren | Thank you. |
| 04:34:52.31 | Jonathan Leone | versus Casmarina, which is a different story. boat ramp has to accommodate a different depth boat than whatever we decide to do with |
| 04:35:01.89 | Herb Weiner | All right, so we have two motions. |
| 04:35:02.75 | Keith Stoneking | and we're going to have a |
| 04:35:02.84 | Jonathan Leone | All right. |
| 04:35:03.04 | Mike Kelly | I have a question to the city chairman before we do this. |
| 04:35:06.48 | Herb Weiner | Sorry to wake you up. |
| 04:35:07.06 | Mike Kelly | Is the city compelled or required, obligated to, before it rents out a piece of the city property, to put an RFP out and give other people a chance? Do we just make a deal with whoever we want to make a deal with and let's move on? |
| 04:35:25.19 | Unknown | Thank you. We did that already. you |
| 04:35:26.87 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:35:27.05 | Mike Kelly | I know, but is that what we plan to do here? |
| 04:35:29.85 | Carolyn Ford | What do you mean in terms of the use of that thing? |
| 04:35:32.67 | Mike Kelly | Sure, there's a bunch of people who've approached and others who would approach. |
| 04:35:36.57 | Carolyn Ford | Well, we're having another one come in on, or having one of them come in in October, we know that. |
| 04:35:41.90 | Unknown | But to put this decision subject to Heather is a presuppose. It's really good to be able to. |
| 04:35:44.23 | Carolyn Ford | Subject to Heather, |
| 04:35:49.92 | Carolyn Ford | Well, no, I wouldn't presuppose anything. I would just say, why would we want to spend the money if we don't have to? |
| 04:35:49.95 | Unknown | Thank you. Well, no. Absolutely. |
| 04:35:56.38 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:35:56.40 | Unknown | Why would we tie that contract to find out what we have? |
| 04:35:59.87 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:36:00.03 | Unknown | We have. |
| 04:36:02.10 | Unknown | to a bold presentation that has No, no, no, I'm just saying |
| 04:36:09.46 | Carolyn Ford | No, no, no. I'm just saying hold this off. Revisit it when we're all more alert. Well, I move that we continue it. I would second that. |
| 04:36:12.55 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:36:17.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:17.39 | Unknown | you |
| 04:36:17.56 | Unknown | The motions are there. Well, I move that |
| 04:36:20.85 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:36:22.10 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:36:22.15 | Linda Pfeifer | I would second that. |
| 04:36:27.97 | Herb Weiner | Both of them have been seconded. |
| 04:36:29.51 | Jonathan Leone | you |
| 04:36:29.57 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:36:29.96 | Linda Pfeifer | I had an amendment for the eelgrass portion alone. |
| 04:36:30.11 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:36:30.13 | Carolyn Ford | Why? |
| 04:36:30.43 | Jonathan Leone | . |
| 04:36:30.50 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 04:36:33.00 | Jonathan Leone | If she would have to accept it. Can you accept her? I mean her limits? |
| 04:36:37.05 | Carolyn Ford | How much is it? $10,000. Jeez. No. No. |
| 04:36:42.79 | Jonathan Goldman | You now have three motions on the floor. One was to continue the item completely, and you have to vote on the third one first. |
| 04:36:42.89 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:36:42.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:43.09 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:36:43.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:43.65 | Unknown | you |
| 04:36:43.92 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:36:44.29 | Unknown | you |
| 04:36:47.01 | Unknown | you |
| 04:36:47.06 | Herb Weiner | So the third one. |
| 04:36:52.10 | Herb Weiner | Third, second, first. |
| 04:36:54.16 | Jonathan Goldman | Let's go over. |
| 04:36:55.22 | Herb Weiner | the third one. |
| 04:36:56.91 | Jonathan Leone | Okay. |
| 04:36:57.49 | Herb Weiner | We have a motion and a second, is that right? Was it seconded? |
| 04:37:01.11 | Jonathan Goldman | Councilmember Ford made a motion to continue the item completely and Councilmember Pfeiffer seconded it. |
| 04:37:06.16 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. All right. Okay, so... Thank you. |
| 04:37:10.43 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:37:11.31 | Herb Weiner | Will call. |
| 04:37:18.83 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Fiverr. Yes. Council Member Leon. |
| 04:37:24.92 | Jonathan Leone | This is a continuous one. This is strictly continuous. |
| 04:37:26.21 | Debbie (Clerk) | This is strictly continuing. No. |
| 04:37:39.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:37:39.67 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:37:39.79 | Debbie (Clerk) | Council member, oh, he said no. |
| 04:37:39.81 | Jonathan Goldman | It's just... |
| 04:37:41.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:37:41.21 | Jonathan Goldman | He said no. |
| 04:37:42.24 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. Thank you. Council member before. |
| 04:37:45.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:37:45.02 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:37:45.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:37:45.16 | Jonathan Goldman | Yes. |
| 04:37:48.35 | Debbie (Clerk) | Vice Mayor Kelly Moore. |
| 04:37:49.24 | Herb Weiner | Go. |
| 04:37:49.90 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. Mayor. |
| 04:37:52.14 | Herb Weiner | No. With a K. Okay, next motion. |
| 04:37:57.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:38:00.92 | Unknown | Yes. Vicki? is your public. |
| 04:38:08.71 | Vicki Nichols | I just wanted to ask briefly, this sounds like this is an assessment that you're going to look at sediment, which could be toxins, and you're going to map eelgrass. I don't have the staff report. There is, we know there's eelgrass there. There, that, that channel there is really, to get into that marina, it's very hard to get in there, so I can see about dredging. But if you find the eelgrass, you're not going to be able to dredge it easily. You could do mitigation if you do the dredging, take it out, but then you've got to figure out where you're going to put this toxic. Well, it's my guess. So, but this is what I understand is just a basic analysis of what you got. So you really can negotiate with a client. |
| 04:38:36.14 | Unknown | Well, it's my guess. |
| 04:38:37.81 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:38:45.82 | Vicki Nichols | But isn't it the same as you know my house my building sold recently and there was an old Um, oil tank there that the owner had to take out before he could sell it because it was an environmental risk. So once you identify what you have there, isn't the city then on the hook to bring this up to speed before you rent it out? |
| 04:39:08.22 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 04:39:08.25 | Herb Weiner | Not necessarily. It could be in the negotiations. |
| 04:39:08.77 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. |
| 04:39:08.84 | Vicki Nichols | you |
| 04:39:09.01 | Jonathan Leone | I'm sorry. |
| 04:39:09.06 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 04:39:09.09 | Jonathan Leone | Bye. |
| 04:39:09.24 | Vicki Nichols | It could be in the... |
| 04:39:11.49 | Jonathan Leone | Even so, the only thing you have to worry about is a renter is assuming any obligation for this. And as a renter, you would say, I don't assume anything. You've got to keep it all, and the city would have to keep it all because no one wants to come in and assume the environmental responsibility is a renter. |
| 04:39:11.52 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 04:39:24.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:24.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:24.40 | Unknown | you |
| 04:39:27.64 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:39:28.55 | Jonathan Leone | or students. |
| 04:39:29.75 | Carolyn Ford | But I think it's a good point, and if the Audubon has the information on the eelgrass, why aren't we asking for that and getting more information before we make a decision? |
| 04:39:29.76 | Jonathan Leone | But I think it's. |
| 04:39:30.58 | Unknown | you |
| 04:39:39.77 | Jonathan Leone | They don't have, we didn't study this part of. We've got micromanager staff. |
| 04:39:42.30 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:39:42.32 | Unknown | that microphone. |
| 04:39:43.06 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:39:43.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:43.28 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. We have a vote. |
| 04:39:45.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:45.53 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:39:45.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:45.58 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:39:45.68 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, we have a second motion, please. |
| 04:39:45.69 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:39:46.27 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. THE END OF |
| 04:39:46.40 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:39:46.61 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:39:46.76 | Unknown | of it. |
| 04:39:47.03 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:39:47.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:47.20 | Jonathan Goldman | All right. I have to paraphrase. I think the second motion was to continue the item to allow for a presentation from one of the parties who was interested in utilizing. And anyone who has. It was amended by. It was specific to one person I believe. |
| 04:39:59.28 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:40:03.09 | Carolyn Ford | and And it was a very good thing. |
| 04:40:05.27 | Herb Weiner | Amen. |
| 04:40:05.35 | Unknown | and then, |
| 04:40:05.44 | Carolyn Ford | Like... |
| 04:40:06.06 | Unknown | IT WAS A LITTLE BIT. |
| 04:40:06.32 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:40:06.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:06.97 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:40:07.03 | Unknown | She didn't have a question. |
| 04:40:07.75 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:40:07.87 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:40:08.59 | Debbie (Clerk) | Yes. |
| 04:40:09.88 | Herb Weiner | Okay. All right. So let's call the roll on that, please. |
| 04:40:10.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:10.58 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:40:10.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:10.91 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:40:10.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:10.97 | Jonathan Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:40:11.11 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:40:15.60 | Herb Weiner | before it |
| 04:40:16.07 | Debbie (Clerk) | Death number Fiverr. Yes. Council Member Liu. |
| 04:40:20.53 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:40:21.91 | Debbie (Clerk) | Anthem number four. |
| 04:40:24.24 | Carolyn Ford | No. On your own motions? What, what the, I told you I need to go home. |
| 04:40:26.94 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. Thank you. I told you I need to go home. |
| 04:40:32.98 | Carolyn Ford | How clear can I be? |
| 04:40:34.58 | Linda Pfeifer | That must be. |
| 04:40:35.31 | Unknown | Excuse me, you look fair enough to make a motion. |
| 04:40:37.03 | Carolyn Ford | I think I will vote yes on that one. |
| 04:40:41.97 | Debbie (Clerk) | Mayor Kelly. No. Mayor Weiner. |
| 04:40:44.98 | Herb Weiner | No? OK, now we're down to the left. So the first motion that I have |
| 04:40:48.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:48.44 | Jonathan Leone | The first motion that I made, and let me just clarify, that I was comforted by Jonathan's information and knowledge of the process to understand that, okay, that it's better to know, it's better to know in the whole process. So this is just an information fact-finding mission, and we're prepared to accept whatever consequences are there, so let's find out what we got. |
| 04:41:13.68 | Unknown | We're dealing with it. Thank you. |
| 04:41:15.44 | Jonathan Leone | Thank you. |
| 04:41:15.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:15.67 | Jonathan Leone | Yeah. Debbie. |
| 04:41:17.16 | Debbie (Clerk) | Council Member Pfeiffer? Council Member Leone. |
| 04:41:22.71 | Jonathan Leone | Yes. No, I'm going to vote against my motion. |
| 04:41:25.51 | Debbie (Clerk) | Council member Ford. |
| 04:41:27.08 | Carolyn Ford | I'll make just a quick comment on that. I think that before we make this decision, we ought to know what we will need to do and whether or not the city will be on the hook to pay. I think we need clarification on that. |
| 04:41:43.53 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:41:43.55 | Unknown | Really? |
| 04:41:43.85 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:41:52.39 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:41:53.37 | Carolyn Ford | I have a... |
| 04:41:53.98 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:41:54.89 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:41:54.94 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:41:55.06 | Herb Weiner | channel. |
| 04:41:55.60 | Debbie (Clerk) | you |
| 04:41:55.68 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:41:55.75 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:41:55.80 | Carolyn Ford | No. |
| 04:41:56.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:56.41 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:41:56.41 | Tom Hoover | Kelly. |
| 04:41:56.63 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:41:57.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:57.03 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:41:57.13 | Tom Hoover | you |
| 04:41:57.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:57.62 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:41:58.16 | Unknown | Yes. Mayor Weiner? Yes. |
| 04:42:00.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:01.64 | Herb Weiner | Yes. Okay. Move adjourned. All right, now we got a city manager's report. |
| 04:42:04.81 | Unknown | All right, now we're going to go. at a Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 30. |
| 04:42:12.66 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:13.18 | Unknown | you |
| 04:42:13.25 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 04:42:13.33 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:42:13.81 | Carolyn Ford | Yeah, we make it short. |
| 04:42:14.03 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:14.38 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:42:14.60 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. I will make it very short. |
| 04:42:15.95 | Carolyn Ford | Bye. |
| 04:42:18.97 | Adam Politzer | our intern left, and I wanted to thank her. Michaela is our new intern. |
| 04:42:20.81 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:42:20.83 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:42:21.01 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 04:42:24.57 | Adam Politzer | as she's been on. Church of the Church. |
| 04:42:25.70 | Unknown | tonight she won't forget. Or about a or me at Boston. |
| 04:42:27.07 | Adam Politzer | or about a man lost it. |
| 04:42:29.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:29.96 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:30.46 | Unknown | you |
| 04:42:30.53 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:30.60 | Unknown | . |
| 04:42:30.78 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:30.80 | Unknown | I wouldn't. Yes. No, I wouldn't either. |
| 04:42:31.59 | Adam Politzer | Jackson. |
| 04:42:32.54 | Carolyn Ford | No, I wouldn't. |
| 04:42:34.82 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. She actually comes from Mills College, has a background in video production as well. |
| 04:42:40.67 | Herb Weiner | She's on her way back down there. |
| 04:42:41.74 | Adam Politzer | Amen. |
| 04:42:42.19 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:42:42.49 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 04:42:42.58 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:42:42.61 | Unknown | She's gone. |
| 04:42:42.66 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:42:44.96 | Adam Politzer | Okay, 30 seconds could be 30 seconds. It's a great cheese. Cheese. |
| 04:42:46.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:47.02 | Unknown | 30 seconds. It was great. She's good. |
| 04:42:51.03 | Unknown | It's a good thing. |
| 04:42:52.47 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 04:42:54.85 | Herb Weiner | Okay, sorry, Adam. It's, it gets slap happy at a certain point. |
| 04:42:58.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:58.58 | Carolyn Ford | It is. So let's move quickly. Thank you. |
| 04:43:00.79 | Adam Politzer | It is important to recognize Michaela. She has joined the team and she's got, I think, opportunity with us. One of the things that we will start doing and it may have already is that one of the things we want to do is take our meetings to the public. So, No one's going to sit in listen or watch four or five hours of the council meeting But we do want to take clips of the meeting. and put that out on our website so people can get a quick preview of what's being heard at the meeting and then click to that particular item and see the whole thing if they choose. and use our associated occurrence But even more importantly, we want to take her out on the road. And so some of the things that Chief Tejada talked about that I don't think anyone has any idea about what our police department does, is go out there and have them do a ride along in daytime, nighttime, follow people on the bike, go out into the marinas and show the folks really what's going on in our community that they never see Also educate them on code enforcement. What are some of the things that Allison Thornberry does that no one really, gives her any credit for, she doesn't get an opportunity. to come and present in front of the council, but she obviously is working hard. One of the things you all are probably aware of of us cleaning up all the sandwich boards and signs and putting the business owners on notice that we need to take all that stuff off the sidewalk and off the side of their buildings and clean up some of the clutter. but again. What is code enforcement? And give some examples of that and put that on our website, send that out. incestive occurrence, what the sewer crews are doing, just some real basic information, what a puffer and truck actually- |
| 04:44:42.81 | Jonathan Leone | An actual video of what the, you know, where the pumper, on the pumper thing as it, you know, goes through the sewer pipes. That's what we want. |
| 04:44:50.66 | Adam Politzer | Well, we have some video of that, and I think back in the earlier days when I was in a different position, they showed the the video and here came a rat towards the camera. And that was some exciting video, I guess. I think at the end of the day, we are trying to educate the public on what we're doing, take city halls. to the residents that just like any of us are very busy. when you get a chance to I see Michaela again do recognize and appreciate what she's doing. |
| 04:45:22.82 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:45:22.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:45:22.87 | Kayla Conn | Um, |
| 04:45:24.97 | Adam Politzer | I do have a feeling there's going to be a bloopers video that comes out of this. and we'll share that at our volunteer recognition event. including how we pave our streets and what it takes to pave our streets and take them on a ride on the existing condition of the streets and then take them on a ride after the streets have been paved. So I think there's a lot of fun that we'll be able to create as well. Thank you. Strategic planning session, I'm with the council and the management team. will be scheduled at the end of October, the beginning of November. So you probably have received an email already from Debbie trying to find out your availabilities for a Monday or a Friday, which traditionally have been the dates we've done it. It's important that we do it. This will be our first non-election year that we're doing it. So hopefully we again address some of the main things that we're working on. Attach that to the priority calendar, attach that to the budget and and continue to make forward progress. The librarian recruitment is complete. On Friday, I received a report from our Human Resources department, which is Susan Nichols. and Curtis Goob who assisted her in the background check of our new librarian. And that is all complete. including interviews, medical appointments, background reference, all the things that go with the background. and I'm pleased to share with you that we have hired the deputy director from Belvedere Tiburon His name is Abbott Chambers. He'll be starting October 17th. He went through the exhaustive process that we conducted in terms of the interview panels, and all the other activity that came in the selection process and the recruitment I think he's going to be an outstanding addition to our team. When he joins us in October, we'll bring him to the council meeting and introduce him formally and go over his credentials. But I will note that he's been with Belvedere Tiburon for eight years, so he's familiar with our community. But I know that Amy Belcher will appreciate this. He's got his undergraduate and master's degree from the University of Michigan. So another, I think, another really talented individual joining our team here. And again, big shoes to fill with Mary Richardson being there for 32 years. But Mary is one that recruited him. So obviously we feel very confident that he's going to do an outstanding job for the city. |
| 04:48:09.68 | Jonathan Leone | just as a But to clarify, they went through a panel and some people from the library board. |
| 04:48:16.18 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, right. I think I shared before we had three panels. We had a professional panel, we had a community panel, and a peer panel. On the community panel was the president of the board the chair of the foundation and the chair of the Friends. So we had all three of those participate in the process. |
| 04:48:39.40 | Herb Weiner | How about a movement to adjourn? |
| 04:48:42.19 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:48:42.20 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:48:42.22 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:48:42.35 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:48:42.49 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 04:48:42.54 | Linda Pfeifer | Um, |
| 04:48:42.93 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:48:43.35 | Linda Pfeifer | I have a future agenda item. I'm sorry. Go ahead. |
| 04:48:43.38 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 04:48:46.10 | Unknown | you |
| 04:48:46.27 | Herb Weiner | Go ahead. Thank you. |
| 04:48:46.81 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Okay, first of all, I think we heard earlier Pat Sook residents suggesting we revisit OMIT's guidelines and kind of their charter, and I think that's a good thing to do. I think we need to revisit that and make sure that we are staying within that charter and to do whatever we can to provide more transparency. I know that when I chaired the Housing Element Committee, I started tapes of that and posted that, and they're available for, you know, publics if they want, and I think we should consider doing that for OMED as well. And the other future agenda item has to do with the analysis of impediments for fair housing. We had a vote on that last night. I have to say I'm not sure. I was very concerned about it and I could not support it as currently written and did not vote to support it. |
| 04:49:54.09 | Unknown | We are. |
| 04:49:54.34 | Linda Pfeifer | you the CDBG Board, Community Development Block Grant Board. And next in October, it will go to the Board of Supervisors for a public hearing, public feedback and adoption or whatever. They're going to take a vote. But one of the things things that was raised was I said that it was very difficult for me to get this on the agenda here because there was a perception it was for the county. And Judy Arnold and, you know, the folks last week released an implementation plan that I sent to every member of this council. and it very clearly says that the cities are, you know, involved in the implementation of this as well. I'm concerned because it mentions things like inclusionary zoning. It suggests senior housing is overrepresented in affordable housing. It said something about, like, second units being, you know, a recognized form of affordable housing but, you know, not a sole source. Things that on one hand they were telling me and reassuring me that it's not affiliated whatsoever with housing element, not meant to be an influencer on housing element whatsoever. But at the same time there was concern. And I think as a future agenda item, as a public hearing, it would make a lot of sense between now and October to allow Sassadal residents to get this on their radar, to review it, and to weigh the end There is another issue I had was there is a difference between fair housing and affordable housing. Like my mother in the 1950s trying to buy a house in Southern California. It's hard for a woman to get a loan back then. I mean, fair housing, you have different impediments. And that was loud and clear from the people attending. that session as well. They were making that distinction and they were saying we wish that this analysis of impediments focused a bit more on the fair housing aspect. You know? And so. |
| 04:52:12.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:52:12.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:52:12.23 | Unknown | you |
| 04:52:13.21 | Unknown | And so... What was there? |
| 04:52:15.50 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. Who was there and what was the vote? There were, I want to say there were five of us, or five or six of us there. Because I think Larry Chu from Larkspur had to leave a little early. And so couldn't vote. I was the only one who had that concern. And the participants there were participants from some other non-profits etc. And I had one gentleman who was the head of a non-profit from Marin City say that he said it took a lot of courage for you to not to vote the way you did and he appreciated it because, you know, they were saying that they wanted to focus on fair housing. That was what I took away too. And it wasn't the whole group, but it was, you know, it was a couple, you know, folks there that were very expressive. Thank you. Both from Marin City. |
| 04:52:56.98 | Kayla Conn | not, |
| 04:53:09.55 | Debbie (Clerk) | And it wasn't. |
| 04:53:09.97 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:53:20.93 | Carolyn Ford | Thank you for that and I have two more I agree with the items that Councilmember Pfeiffer has Suggested and I would like to add committee's responsibilities and Because this is something we've been talking about for a year or so and we've never really I |
| 04:53:21.23 | Linda Pfeifer | Thank you. |
| 04:53:44.20 | Carolyn Ford | reviewed the committees of the council hasn't followed up on that. Although we got a report from one of our interns, we really haven't followed up on that, reviewing the committees and council members' responsibilities. And then the art commission, we just we heard about that tonight too. And I think we need to move forward with that. And I think there is enough interest at this point, hopefully, I know a couple people who I believe have applied, I've asked them to. |
| 04:54:15.89 | Linda Pfeifer | And I know four people that if they haven't submitted applications, I'll follow up tomorrow with Debbie on that because this is something we should be able to get going in a couple |
| 04:54:23.09 | Kayla Conn | Thank you. |
| 04:54:23.11 | Carolyn Ford | Debbie on that. |
| 04:54:28.26 | Carolyn Ford | couple weeks. |
| 04:54:30.30 | Linda Pfeifer | Debbie, would you let... I know you've got at least two, right? Right. |
| 04:54:34.67 | Carolyn Ford | You have three. Good. Okay. Could you let me know who they are, because I would like to follow up with people I've talked to who have indicated an interest, and just remind them that now's the time to do it. And I will do it. |
| 04:54:35.40 | Linda Pfeifer | Okay. |
| 04:54:48.12 | Linda Pfeifer | And I will do the same because I had at least four or five people that were very interested. |
| 04:54:54.03 | Carolyn Ford | And the bicycle and pedestrian committee, do you have anyone for that? Well, you don't know. Could you just let me know who you have? That would be great. Thank you. I move we adjourn. |
| 04:55:12.27 | Herb Weiner | Okay. |
| 04:55:12.92 | Carolyn Ford | Hi, second. |
| 04:55:13.21 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Thank you. |
| 04:55:13.97 | Carolyn Ford | Yep. |
| 04:55:15.52 | Linda Pfeifer | Yes. |