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| 00:00:11.56 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:00:19.34 | Unknown | . |
| 00:00:43.89 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:01:18.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. I'm not. Are you guys okay with this? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:02:55.97 | Unknown | you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:03:29.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:04:26.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. I've never seen this before. |
| 00:06:08.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:06:30.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:34.69 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:06:44.32 | Unknown | I like this. I like this. Thank you. |
| 00:06:56.24 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Yeah, I'm on. |
| 00:07:01.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:07:08.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:19.13 | Unknown | you Thank you. . Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:07:59.97 | Unknown | Thank you. . Thank you. |
| 00:08:14.33 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:08:14.67 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:08:14.69 | Unknown | . |
| 00:08:26.53 | Unknown | and some kind of big way. Yeah. |
| 00:10:40.98 | Mayor Kelly | I'd like to call the meeting to order, please. |
| 00:10:41.03 | Adam Krivach | I'd like to call them |
| 00:10:45.04 | Mayor Kelly | Call the meeting to order. Uh-oh, what's that? That's you, Mary, right? All right. This is the regular meeting of the City Council, Tuesday, April 17. And Debbie, would you call the roll? |
| 00:11:05.48 | Unknown | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Councilmember Ford? Here. Councilmember Weiner? |
| 00:11:09.85 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:11:09.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:10.02 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:11:10.48 | Unknown | Mayor Kelly. |
| 00:11:11.99 | Mayor Kelly | Here we go. All right. |
| 00:11:13.66 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 00:11:13.70 | Unknown | Vice Mayor Leone is absent. . |
| 00:11:19.13 | Mayor Kelly | All right. This is Chris Holbrook. here. Chris, would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? It's not your turn to speak yet. I just want you to lead us. |
| 00:11:28.58 | Christopher Holbrook | It's not your show. I just want you to release... |
| 00:11:31.33 | Mayor Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:11:31.37 | Christopher Holbrook | I don't know if I still know it. Well, try. |
| 00:11:33.36 | Mayor Kelly | Well, try! |
| 00:11:38.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:39.03 | Councilmember Weiner | to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible. |
| 00:11:46.12 | Christopher Holbrook | One nation. |
| 00:11:47.03 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:11:48.04 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:11:48.49 | Unknown | Thank you. with liberty and justice. |
| 00:11:51.02 | Christopher Holbrook | Thank you. |
| 00:11:51.58 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:11:51.87 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you, Chris. |
| 00:11:51.97 | Councilmember Weiner | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:11:53.76 | Christopher Holbrook | Is that still legal in school? |
| 00:11:55.23 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah, but why don't you just have a quick seat there. We have a couple more things to say, and then we'll let you speak first. That's it. That will be your reward. |
| 00:12:00.14 | Unknown | That will be your reward. Thank you. Thank you. You thought you were going to be the first one up there, huh? |
| 00:12:09.18 | Mayor Kelly | All right. The council met in closed session, considered three items, and on all three items, I believe we gave direction to staff, and that's it. Does anybody care to comment on any of the items that are on the closed session agenda? Okay, seeing none, we'll move on. to special presentations of which we have none, and to communications. Public communications are a time for the Council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. So if you have an agenda item, this is not the time to speak. Oh, is that next? Did I miss that? I'm sorry. I'm going to go backwards for a second. All right. We need to approve the |
| 00:12:59.22 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Oh, yeah. |
| 00:13:01.97 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | session. |
| 00:13:02.25 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I'm not sure. |
| 00:13:08.43 | Mayor Kelly | I move to approve the agenda. Second. All right. All in favor? Aye. Now, back to the other. So this is a time for those who have something to address to the council that is not on the agenda to speak. And I have about 10 of these, so everybody's concurrence up here will limit these to about two minutes apiece, so our usual three. |
| 00:13:10.09 | Councilmember Weiner | Check it out. All right. |
| 00:13:28.16 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 00:13:28.17 | Peter Van Meter | Yep. |
| 00:13:29.79 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:13:29.90 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:13:29.91 | Mayor Kelly | All right, so you have two minutes to speak on these items. And the first one, Chris, I'll let you come first. |
| 00:13:37.69 | Christopher Holbrook | Thank you. Okay. So I'm Christopher Holbrook. I'm the owner of Studio 333 and I'm here with about 12 other business owners on Caledonia Street to talk about the parking issues on Caledonia Street. And at a recent meeting of California Business Alliance, we discussed urgent issues regarding street parking for the visitors to all of our businesses. In short, visitors to Caledonia Street businesses are faced with a severe lack of parking on Caledonia Street and unclear restrictions on Side Street, which often result in visitors receiving expensive parking tickets. Many visitors have expressed outrage that they received parking tickets in areas that they believed were open to the public. Many have vowed never to return. This is extremely unfortunate. In order to better serve all the visitors of the Caledonia Street merchants, we as a group need to participate in finding a solution to the parking challenges of our visitors are complaining about. On most days and especially nights, parking is very limited to our guests. And due to residential parking, Restrictions after 6 p.m. The available parking near our businesses do not meet the demand of our guests. We need to come together to find solutions. Following are the issues and solutions to make Caledonia Street an attractive destination to Fay area visitors. There's three real issues. and three solutions that we have come to as a group Um, As far as issues, the Caledonia Street parking, employees are using a lot of the parking on Caledonia Street that should be left open to the guests that visit our town. Restricted side street parking forces guests to park further away or receive expensive tickets, and unclear signage guests are frequently ticketed not knowing the side street restrictions Three of the solutions that we've come up with are... changing the arrows on the signs that let the guests be able to park at night when they come Putting together an employee parking solution, whether it's where Employees can park somewhere else or give permits. And the third thing was remote parking safety, and that is asking city officials for extra safety patrol late at night and a hotline number to call so that employees feel more safe returning to their cars after hours. And there are a few other of the local business owners that are going to reiterate what I have saying now. |
| 00:16:34.12 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you for |
| 00:16:34.56 | Christopher Holbrook | Yeah. |
| 00:16:34.61 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:16:34.66 | Christopher Holbrook | Thank you. |
| 00:16:34.68 | Mayor Kelly | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:16:34.73 | Christopher Holbrook | you know, |
| 00:16:34.90 | Mayor Kelly | you As you're aware, we cannot respond to what |
| 00:16:38.88 | Christopher Holbrook | I also have in my hand about 25 letters of people that have signed these. |
| 00:16:44.75 | Mayor Kelly | Would you give those to the city clerk? Thank you. And we cannot, because these items are not on the agenda, the council cannot respond at this time, but we will take these matters under consideration. All right. Yoshi Tomai. |
| 00:17:04.70 | Yoshi Tomai | So this is a line of order to start with. |
| 00:17:06.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:17:09.54 | Yoshi Tomai | Put your order in first. Hi, good evening. Yoshitome. |
| 00:17:13.02 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:17:13.03 | Yoshi Tomai | Thank you. |
| 00:17:13.05 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | you |
| 00:17:13.25 | Yoshi Tomai | 107 Caledonia Street, my business, and I sleep in San Rafael. my old life in here, Sassarira. So follow up to what Kuru is saying, we had many meetings with local business owners and managers and police department staff too. This is one of the ideas we come up with. All the business owners have a stand to self-restriction of the parking for the staff. Caledonia Street business parking policy. Caledonia business are united in finding parking solutions for our visitors. We want to make Sassariro a great place to visit and we hope to provide present experience that will encourage people to return. Please observe the following policies. Employees are required to not park on the Caradonist between hours 11 to 8. Available parking information will be provided by each Caradonist Street business to their own employees. Business owners and the managers will monitor the parking and remind their employees as needed. Thank you for working together for benefit for all our businesses. So we printed this, give it to all the business owners. If an employee parking owner, a caravan is sticking their windshield, then want to work together, we're trying to open up a caravan street as much as parking space available for paying customers. Supporting businesses are Play Shop, Australia Divino, Simili's Bar, Sataj, Shivo Studio 333, Anjaro's Touch and Wellness, Sassarero Market, here by Olga, long term care insurance, the Marine School, Gertie Faber Photography, Lillies, on site relocation, Yoga of Sassarero, Sassarero Ophthalmology. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:19:07.80 | Mayor Kelly | It sounds like everybody. |
| 00:19:08.75 | Yoshi Tomai | Thank you. |
| 00:19:09.39 | Mayor Kelly | John McCoy. |
| 00:19:15.90 | John McCoy | Good evening, Mayor Kelly, Councilmembers. My name is John McCoy. I do have a business on Caledonia Street, but the address is technically Bridgeway, and I'm not technically part of the Caledonian Business Alliance, but I am working with them to help them come up with some solutions, and the ones that Christopher mentioned are good solutions, and there's also some long-term solutions that obviously aren't developed and submitted yet, no formal application. I do want to thank Chief DeHatta and Lieutenant Skoog for working with us. I had the opportunity to meet with Lieutenant Skoog as well as Jonathan Goldman informally to discuss some of the – well, everyone's pretty aware of the problems. We were looking for solutions, and one was better signage on Caledonia Street directing to available public parking. Another one was allowing or coming up with either changing the restrictions at lot five which is on Locust Street or allowing some type of placard to be distributed to employees or employers on Caledonia Street to distribute to their employees because If the employees have a place that they can actually tell their employees to park, it's one thing to say, don't park here. You know, but you kind of, we need one more step. You know, don't park here. You can park here for free so long as you're working here. And I think that the problem is, you know, it's a serious problem for the businesses and they're going through great lengths to try and come up with some solutions. And I think they're really looking to this council for some guidance and just to get it on your radar and know that it is an issue for the city and some of the major, even if they're small business, but vital businesses to our city. Thank you. Great. |
| 00:20:54.87 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. All right. Elizabeth Nebach? |
| 00:21:05.99 | Elizabeth Nebach | Elizabeth Nibaud, owner of Osterina Divino on Caledonia Street. I'm here with everybody else to talk and let you or make you aware of the parking issues that we face on Caledonia Street. |
| 00:21:08.53 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:21:08.54 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I'm sorry. |
| 00:21:18.65 | Elizabeth Nebach | And the big thing about employee parking is to come up with a program with the city and like everyone has said, we've been working with the police and among ourselves to come up with solutions, but we need to have a place for people to park. So in order to get them off the street, we have to be able to offer a place for them to go. And one of the things that we've discussed is the old police, where the police building was, when that opens up, when the construction finishes over there, that that might be a place where we can have an employee parking program. |
| 00:21:47.25 | Unknown | I believe. Mm-hmm. |
| 00:21:56.62 | Elizabeth Nebach | And the other thing is working with the city on the meter mates that go around. I mean, they've been such an enforcement. And I know they've extended their hours, and I've seen them out on Sunday, Easter Sunday, giving tickets right on Caledonia Street. And, you know, if there's a way to ease that situation kind of temporarily or in the meantime, I know that's money for the city, you know, |
| 00:22:04.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:22:22.81 | Elizabeth Nebach | Hopefully businesses bring money to the city as well, so I'm sure there's sort of a toss-up there on how to handle that, but it would be nice if there was a way to work with us on that issue as well, because people getting these tickets, they're $66, and they go to a restaurant and pay a really high price for a meal and come out and get a $66 ticket, they just don't come back. So it affects all of us on Caledonia Street. And like I said, we're working with the police and we are just here to say we hope that we can work with you as well. |
| 00:22:48.71 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | you |
| 00:22:58.46 | Mayor Kelly | Great. |
| 00:22:58.77 | Elizabeth Nebach | Thank you. |
| 00:22:59.16 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you for your comments. All right, Matt Cunn. |
| 00:23:12.30 | Matt Cunn | So I'm Matt Conn. I'm one of the managers and one of the partners over at Plate Shop. And to reiterate what's been said, I have a letter here from from a customer that did get a ticket while parking. And it says, Dear Mr. Cowley, last week while taking my family to a dinner and movie on Caledonia Street, I received a $66 parking ticket in the new zero tolerance parking zone that was recently established near Caledonia Street. Not only did I receive a parking ticket, but so did my girlfriend and her sister for a total of $198. I was a six-year resident of Sausalito until August when I moved to Middle Valley. However, I work here and until now, along with my girlfriend, enjoy dining at the various restaurants on Caledonia Street. However, I can assure you that that has come to an end. I was told that I could park over in lot D or 4 or whatever it's called over past the taste of Rome. That doesn't really work, and I'm not interested in parking 10-minute walk from where I want to eat. That works in SF, but it doesn't work in a small town like Sausalito, where part of the draw is the ability to park nearby and walk to your dining spot in no time. I have no doubt that this is a new parking zone with no out-of-resident parking after 6 as a result of the area's residents complaining. Nonetheless, where I've seen it, including SF, New York, or London, where a non-resident doesn't have at least some window of time to park in any particular area. I understand that this is a relatively new development. That said, I'm sure that as other patrons of various establishments on Caledonia receive parking tickets, they too will make the decision that we have now come to regarding Caledonia Street. |
| 00:24:49.74 | Unknown | Caledonia Street. |
| 00:24:51.16 | Matt Cunn | And just to kind of reiterate, I think if you were to look at the numbers of tickets given on Friday and Saturday night in that upper neighborhood, you could really get an accurate tally of how many people will not be coming back to Caledonia for business. Because when it's a surprise, you know, it's awful. And I know there's some marking on the signs, but obviously it's not enough that people are aware of it before they park. |
| 00:25:15.10 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:25:15.17 | Matt Cunn | Thank you. |
| 00:25:15.22 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Great. |
| 00:25:15.59 | Matt Cunn | Thank you. Thank you for your comment as well. |
| 00:25:18.29 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Lily Shahabi. |
| 00:25:31.49 | Lily Shahabi | Good evening. Lily Shahabi, Lily Es Salon, and the ISPA. I just support everybody, and we have small business, and we need your support, too. Thank you. |
| 00:25:43.10 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Stephanie. |
| 00:25:45.38 | Lily Shahabi | and, |
| 00:25:45.60 | Mayor Kelly | View or the other. Buell? Thank you. |
| 00:25:53.63 | Unknown | Good evening, my name is Stefan Bühl. I'm the owner of Yoga of South Solito. We are a business which is more than 11 years already in this location. And, I have to say since these 11 years parking has never been as bad as it is now and for us it takes a lot of effort and a lot of money to bring customers to Caledonia Street. And, uh, It's sad when they get tickets or when they can't fly at a parking place. that they leave Sausalito again and go to Mill Valley or Corti Madeira. So I really would, give out to you guys to help us and to solve this problem here at Caledonia Street. Thank you very much. |
| 00:26:32.83 | Mayor Kelly | All right, thank you. |
| 00:26:40.98 | Mayor Kelly | Marie McCly. |
| 00:26:49.30 | Maureen McCly | Good evening. I'm Maureen McCoy and I live here in Sausalito and I'm the owner of a resident-serving business on Caledonia Street. And my business is one of the, I think it's probably the only business that actually has a parking lot on Caledonia Street. So parking isn't an issue for me. However, anything that affects Caledonia Street businesses affects me personally and as a business owner and a resident here in Sausalito. So it affects all of us. And so I'm just hoping that the city will work with us to come up with a viable solution. And I want to say thank you to Chief Tejada, Lieutenant Skoog, and Jonathan Goldman for taking the time and reaching out and working with us so far. Thank you. |
| 00:27:35.21 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. John Connelly. |
| 00:27:40.28 | John Conley | Yes. My name is John Conley. I have the Modern Selling School. I'm a long time owner there. We've been here 30 years. We have about 500 members, most in Sausalito here. And I'm in a committee with Chris Gallagher and I support all her efforts. But the reason I'm here, it's come to my attention in the last 96 hours that the largest multinational water sport company in the world is moving to Sausalito in about a month. SunSail has bases all around the world and they're starting with eight boats. So I'm not sure if everyone fully understands the ramifications of having a multinational company arrive newly here on the scene. It's been confirmed by Madden and the Saustia Yachthaven. It's just gone live in the last 24 hours on Sunsail's website, but they're starting here with eight boats. And just to give you some idea here, the average Sunsail base around the world has 40, 50 boats. They're starting with eight boats here taking bookings in June. They have space in downtown, Salt-Sedo and 1001 Bridgeway in the back of the postal thing is. So just so, I just want to see and make sure everyone knows about this and I will. send you a note in the coming weeks. I look forward to your support, because I think it's good to look out and understand exactly, this is SunSail, the single largest company in the world of its kind with sailboats and things like this, is arriving here. So, yeah. What does it do? Well, it's a sailing school. It's those charters, corporate events. Modern Sailing School has, we have 17 boats there. They do similar boat things. In our view, if the city of Sausalito and the citizens want this and approve this, it's fine with us. But it's good to make sure that we at least approve it, so everyone understands what's going on. So in the last probably four hours, we have a new website. No new multinationals.com just went live at 4 o'clock today. And so we're taking an interest. If you're in a selling business and the biggest entity in the world is moving a mile away, it gets your attention. Where are they harboring their boats? Madden, Saucy Yacht Haven. They've got slips down there. So even though people say, oh, it's only eight boats, that's how they start everywhere. And what happens is the reason it dominates the skyline in all these places, Tahiti, Spain, Greece, Thailand, wherever it is, is they cluster the boats together with large flags on top of the mast that are largely immune from local laws involving flags. So what happens is if you go to any of these places, Martinique, all around the world, they dominate the skyline. So the most prominent image in downtown Sausalito in a fairly short period of time could very well be sunsail. So this is happening totally under the radar, absolutely under the radar. So this is... to say the least, got our attention. So I just thought I'd bring it to your attention and I'll ping you with updates and that website went live today. Thank you very much. |
| 00:30:44.10 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you for telling us. Ahem. All right. Vesco? There you are. I'm sliding back there. |
| 00:30:54.95 | Vasco Moreson | VASCO MORESON, THE TREASURER OF THE IDE SST PORTUGUESE HALL. I JUST REALLY WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE FROM MY PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD, TO THE COUNCIL IN DECISMBER WHERE I WAS GOING TO PURSUE A SISTER CITY WITH CUSHCASH, PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PORTUGUESE SETTLING IN SELSIDO IN THE 1850S AND being a significant population here. Portuguese Hall will have its 125th anniversary next year. of constant festas here in Sausalito. And there's a lot of geographic and demographic similarities between the two cities. When I approached Qashqai last summer, they were, I would say, almost ecstatic about the idea. In December, approximately, they notified us that they were going to do a conference with, they have apparently nine other sister cities in Qashqai, and they extended an invitation to the Council. I'm very pleased that it looks like Linda will be able to join us and hopefully Herb would be able to too and anybody else on the Council who can. We would need to know fairly soon though. the So I've also been working with Susan Rowe with a very successful Sakaita Sister City and Michael Moy. We meet every Monday morning, and we're working together. It's been very, very productive to have their experience and ideas. And I'm really before the board now for just really two things. One is before we we embark on this trip to Cusqueix, I'd really like to get some kind of official sanction. This is really, really important to the city of Cusqueix that the Portuguese are very, very much into protocol. And so for them, it's all about the protocol part of it. So I'd like, and it doesn't have to be tonight, but maybe at the next board meeting, we could put on the agenda, to have some kind of formal resolution adopting that, you know, this is something the Solstice would like to pursue. And secondly, in the package of materials I emailed to you last night, and I have extra copies here, There was a twinning agreement, which is essentially, from what I read, kind of a non-binding protocol just kind of an intent for the two cities to cement a relationship. And what I'd like to do is if the council would empower, you know, Linda is the representative of the city in Kishkai, Shenzhen, be able to execute that twinning agreement, you know, once we've had a chance to vet it and everybody's, hopefully by the next board meeting we'll have a chance to review it. And if we need to make any changes, I'm sure that would be okay. And then make that part of that. Also, they've asked us to do a presentation. I've talked to Linda. We would do maybe 15 minutes about just the Portuguese presence in Sausalito, another 15 minutes about the city of Cuscaix and, I mean, sorry, Sausalito. And that's it. Okay. |
| 00:33:51.19 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Any questions? |
| 00:33:51.82 | Vasco Moreson | Any questions? |
| 00:33:52.56 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah. No, and we – just another note, even though you said that Cascai has nine cities, nine sister cities also, none of them are from the United States. Correct, yeah. That's right. |
| 00:34:04.88 | Vasco Moreson | Correct, yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:34:05.75 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:34:06.33 | Vasco Moreson | Yeah, what I had mentioned at the last board meeting or council meeting, sorry, was that when I had approached them, they were looking for Sister City and Pittsburgh had approached them. And then I came in and said, well, because, you know, Salcelito's interested, and they just kind of fell over themselves because they just could really see the similarities, a much better fit. |
| 00:34:25.61 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Not what Pittsburgh did. |
| 00:34:26.53 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:34:27.05 | Vasco Moreson | Not with Pittsburgh, with Sausalito. So they want to really cement this. Okay, great. Thank you very much. |
| 00:34:27.29 | Councilmember Weiner | president |
| 00:34:27.56 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:34:27.69 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah. |
| 00:34:27.71 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Yeah. |
| 00:34:27.79 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:34:27.83 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:34:27.88 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah. |
| 00:34:27.96 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Yeah. |
| 00:34:27.98 | Councilmember Weiner | with Sausalito. I was like, |
| 00:34:34.69 | Mayor Kelly | Great. Thank you for the update, and we'll follow up on that. Is there anyone else who would like to speak on any matter that is not on the agenda? |
| 00:34:46.71 | Mayor Kelly | Then Heather next. |
| 00:34:48.94 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols. I've lived on Caledonia Street for 30 years, and I agree with all of the comments by the businesses on that street. And I think that the reason that we're seeing more parking problems is we have some really good businesses on the street, particularly in the evenings, very popular restaurants. I can also hear people getting very upset getting tickets because I hear them near my house, and you hear them screaming and stuff. More than screaming, believe me. And I actually got, I did not have my own car over Easter and I got a ticket on Easter, parked on my street too. And I'm going to pay it, I'm not asking for, you know, Easy way out. Thank you. But, I hope that when you develop a committee or whatever you do to look at this, that you also include the residents because we'll try to work to, I think everybody wants the businesses to be successful, but we've just got a bad, you know, crunch in there to work this out together. So if there's any way to include some residents, that would be great. Thank you. |
| 00:35:46.89 | Mayor Kelly | Great, thank you. Heather. Nice brochure, by the way. Thank you. |
| 00:35:56.10 | Heather Richard | I am Heather Richard. I live at 300 Napa Street, Sausalito. I'm here representing the Cass Gidley Project, which you're all familiar with. I was just made aware very recently that there is a lot of money available from the Costco Busan oil spill remediation. And I wanted to go on public record tonight and let you know that we will be applying for this funding with the RBMA, the Richardson May Maritime Association, as our fiscal sponsor. And I wanted to make sure that you're aware that we're doing this and have a chance to ask any questions tonight. The deadline is April 26th, next week. |
| 00:36:31.97 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:36:31.99 | Heather Richard | Thank you. |
| 00:36:32.01 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Good. So we'll have Adam follow up with you. Okay. Good. Thank you. Thank you for doing that. Thank you. |
| 00:36:35.43 | Heather Richard | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:36:39.10 | Mayor Kelly | Any other... |
| 00:36:40.16 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | So applying for those funds. |
| 00:36:43.23 | Mayor Kelly | Go. Synergy, as they say. Or competition. Or competition. Okay. Either way. Anyone else care to comment on any item that is not on the agenda? All right, seeing none, we'll move on. We have minutes. Do we have minutes? I didn't think so. Okay, consent calendar is the next item. Matters that are on the consent calendar are usually of a routine and non-controversial nature, and no discussion is expected to occur. However, either a member of the public or anyone on the council may pull those items if they wish so having said that do we have an approval of the consent calendar |
| 00:37:28.44 | Councilmember Weiner | Motion for approval? So moved. Have a second. |
| 00:37:28.49 | Mayor Kelly | motion for All right. |
| 00:37:33.22 | Councilmember Weiner | I... |
| 00:37:33.28 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Bye. And we're moving on to public hearings. And the first public hearing is none. And we're now moving on to business items. The first business item is to receive and file a classification study, a compensation study. And a presentation. And that's going to be Charlie Francis. |
| 00:38:13.06 | Adam Politzer | I am driving. |
| 00:38:20.95 | Adam Politzer | Good evening Mr. Mayor, members of the council. Tonight's council action is to receive and file the classification and compensation study that was prepared by Coffin Associates. I'd like to introduce Georg Kramer from Coffin Associates and also Susie Nichols, our HR administrator, both of whom worked extensively hard to get this presentation in its final report form and bring to the council tonight. As you know that we've been planning for labor negotiations for over two years since the labor groups asked for compensation and classification study several years ago. Then we had to make sure their money was appropriated in the budget and we went through a process of a competitive negotiation. Um, procurement where we sent out an RFP, request for proposals to many firms. We went through a vetting process and we selected Kramer and Koffin Associates. And they went through a process of interviewing our employees, sending out detailed information requests, meeting with the employees, negotiating with the employees, and then finally coming up with classifications, recommended classifications. I'd like to point out for the public's sake that a classification is a description of the kind of work that an employee might do. It is not a job description. And let me just kind of give you an example of the difference. In the finance department we have three senior accounting technicians. That is the classification. Each one of those does a different function. One works primarily on payroll, another one works a significant amount of time on accounts payable, and another one on journal entries and general ledger activities. But they all fall under the classification of senior accounting technician that requires a certain degree of experience, certain degree of education, and other qualifications. So in doing that, then there was two components and they were separate. First became the classification study where they benchmarked a number of classifications and then they did a compensation study where they compared those benchmark classifications to the market area. So first the summary of the classification study is they have four recommendations, title change, reclassification, no changes, and then the Fair Labor Standards Act. I'm going to briefly go through those for you. There are approximately 17 positions and 13 classifications recommended for title changes which represents about 26% of Sausalito's workforce. Some of these class title changes are reflective more of what's the industry standard now. For example, librarian one and librarian two is not a term of art and so the post class title would be librarian and assistant librarian. And that makes it easier to compare classifications across other entities. The second recommendation was reclassifications. This is reclassification occurs when an employee is doing work that really belongs in an entirely different classification. A very good example of that is our human resources technician was in a classification where we were requesting that employee to do work that's more in line with the resource administrator. Reclassifications frequently and often go with corresponding increases in pay because they're working out of class. And we had three. Administrative aid two, working now with the record supervisor assistant to the police chief, the HR technician moving to an HR administrator, and a recreation coordinator to the recreation supervisor position. Here we had a situation where two people are essentially doing the same work. One was called a supervisor and one was called a coordinator. And neither of them were supervising employees, but they were supervising programs. And because of the supervising programs and the oversight of part-time staff, the recommendation from the consultant was that they both be called recreation supervisors. |
| 00:42:34.84 | Adam Politzer | 46 positions had no changes in classifications. In other words, our classification system was correct in the way we were titling people. But what they did is they continued to thoroughly review and update all the classifications to make sure they were consistent. Our classifications had been brought in from other agencies over time and there were inconsistencies between the qualifications for one classification versus another, thereby eliminating some horizontal equity. And this brought it into line and brought it into a system that we can maintain going forward. So as we make changes to classifications, that we can make sure that they're horizontally and vertically aligned within the workforce. And finally, there was several Fair Labor Standards Act recommendations. Well, the Fair Labor Standards Act will allow an employee to be classified either as a non-exempt or an exempt employee. Now, all that means is that they met certain terms and conditions, as I specified in the Fair Labor Standards Act, that if an employer wanted to, they could call an employee exempt. And by making him exempt, they could call an employee exempt and by making him exempt they would then not be subject to overtime. So that's the primary difference. And then when they moved, once we had the classifications all ironed out and recommended, they moved into the compensation study. And in very high level, the compensation study showed that overall, our classifications Uh, compared to the market, our comparator cities, were 3.8% above the market for salaries. But what very often occurs when an employer is salary higher than their comparators, they end up being benefit poorer. And in our case, our Sausalito benefit package is less than our comparators, with the difference being 4.8%. So the net difference is our employees about 1% below the market, as measured at the date of the study. Now it's important for me to mention that because this kind of a study is almost like a balance sheet. A balance sheet is a picture in a point in time. And you have to also recognize what's going on in other cities. And we did that by looking at how we're going to implement the classification and compensation study. There's no recommendation for implementation today, but we are doing analysis on how this classification and compensation study. There's no recommendation for implementation today, but we are doing analysis on how this classification and compensation study could be implemented and it will be part of the 2012 labor negotiation strategy that we embark on with our labor groups. And what we have to take into consideration is many other cities that are in our comparator agencies are going through severe financial crisis right now and they have implemented things like furloughs or salary freezes, have taken away certain benefits from employees and those kinds of budget balancing activities that are occurring because of financial crisis that individual cities are experiencing are not reflected in the classification and compensation study. So if we just back up, You can see that the bottom line says total compensation is 1% below market. But if we take into consideration some of those other budget balancing activities that are going on and may continue to go on as the municipal economy lags behind the real economy, then I think that our compensation will fall right in line, especially after we implement our labor strategy. So the planning is critical. We've been going through an extensive planning process. You've seen that this graph often that for the past two years we've been planning for labor negotiations and we'll be making a recommendation on implementation of the classification and compensation study at a later time. But at this point I recommend and some of those options for implementation could include adding lower, include lowering pay steps to the pay grade, it could include capping benefits and it could include a second tier workforce. So with that, the staff makes, we have our consultants here available to answer any questions that you might have. And there was, we did ask them to expand their scope and the amount of, Thank you. Well, it was in the staff report, I think it was 1,500. |
| 00:47:07.51 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah, $15,000. |
| 00:47:07.94 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:47:07.98 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:47:08.03 | Adam Politzer | $15,000. $15,000. So the action that we're recommending that you make today is that you receive and file the staff report and you authorize the contract amendment of $1,500. All right. Thank you. |
| 00:47:09.70 | Mayor Kelly | I mean, |
| 00:47:18.64 | Mayor Kelly | right thank you any comments from anyone in the council questions not comments questions No? All right. |
| 00:47:26.47 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I just had a question. I think this was actually part of the last bargaining unit agreement that we would do this compensation study to when the contract would run out. That's correct. This isn't something we're just doing on a whim. It's something we agreed to with employees two years ago. And the question I just wanted to clarify in the staff report is that |
| 00:47:35.52 | John McCoy | That's correct. |
| 00:47:48.88 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | It said that 48% of classifications have total compensation packages that are at the market median, that are above 48% or below. So what that kind of says is you're at the market median, more or less. Correct. Which is what our target has been for some time, is to get to that point. We were far below the market median, had a tough time attracting people for a long period of time in Sausalito. So at least we met our target without overshooting the bounds of the target to end. We were getting, it's helping us recruit, I think. |
| 00:48:00.53 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 00:48:18.45 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 00:48:22.04 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, but it's absolutely correct. I think what the study does not say, but what management recognizes, is that we have a dynamic workforce in place right now because of the strategy that you've put in place over the past few years to bring to a workforce that's dedicated to serving citizens in Sausalito and does it at a very high level. So, you know, we're proud of our workforce. |
| 00:48:46.61 | Mayor Kelly | All right, thank you. All right, we'll open this to the public. Any member of the public care to comment on that? |
| 00:48:58.49 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you, Peter Van Meter, Cloud View Circle. This topic is an opportunity to make a general comment about public employee compensation negotiation strategies. I realize it may be a little bit off this topic, but without making any comment about our excellent workforce in the city of Sausalito, I'm wondering as you go forward with labor negotiations, if you're going to be somewhat trapped by the concept of reaching a median balance of other of cities in Marin County. I'm thinking back, you know, decades ago when I was sitting in your seat. There was always the issue, well, we've got to at least meet the median or perhaps exceed that median to attract qualified employees. comparing it with other public agencies. And of course what happens is each city goes into these negotiations then it's a continuing upward spiral. because they're comparing it with other organizations that are just step, step, step, step up. So I long argued about the concept of looking at equivalent work between private and public sector. I realized that this is a very difficult position if you adopted that strategy because you would be in effect an outlier. of all of the other cities that you're competing for, you know, talent. Um, I'm not suggesting a conspiracy among cities to say we're gonna change our negotiating strategies, However, I just felt an opportunity to stand up here and say that I think this is something for you folks to consider as you move forward with our three-year labor discussions. Thank you. |
| 00:50:34.90 | Mayor Kelly | Great. Thank you for that. |
| 00:50:38.26 | Pat Zuck | Pat Zook, I'll be fast because, as usual, I agree with Peter Van Meter. |
| 00:50:45.06 | Pat Zuck | But in follow-up to, I remember being at a committee meeting where this was discussed and I remember floating the the suggestion that the study or some thought be given to comparing the functions between the private and public sector. I think I called it between the public sector and the real world and I got a little bit of pushback with that phrase. But it's disconcerting to me that that kind of analysis even globally has not been done. It would be, I think, helpful to cities as a whole to look at their workforce as a, you know, people that go into the private sector as opportunistically as possible and into the public sector. And an accountant is an accountant in both arenas and pensions of pensions. So I hope you'll pay some attention to that. |
| 00:51:37.94 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Would our consultant like to make a comment about that? |
| 00:51:44.46 | Mayor Kelly | I like it. |
| 00:51:47.33 | Georg Kramer | Good evening, Geyore Kramer, Coffin Associates. It's a pleasure to be here. Just a quick comment would be that comparing the public sector and the private sector is possible but it is challenging. And a couple of the reasons why it is challenging is that while you can certainly find an accountant, you can find potentially HR, administrative support in the private sector, it's much more difficult to find qualified wastewater maintenance workers, qualified civil engineers, qualified obviously police and fire and other types of public sector only jobs in the private sector. |
| 00:52:15.68 | Unknown | where |
| 00:52:27.22 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF |
| 00:52:27.51 | Georg Kramer | That's one challenge. Another challenge is that the compensation systems in the two areas are so vastly different that it is a challenge to compare. So something that we have actually discussed with the project team and have considered and then finally decided to not go that route. |
| 00:52:46.68 | Mayor Kelly | you Thank you. Anyone else care to comment on this item? the public. All right, seeing none, I think here we're just accepting and filing the compensation study and moving into negotiations and this will be the basis for those negotiations. You want to say something? Thank you. |
| 00:53:04.28 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Yeah, I would say as far as the ever-spiraling, you know, trying to make that median, and the median always keeps rising, I think that was a problem three or four years ago, as cities are laying people off and cutting positions. And, you know, in Marin, the main driver were in Novato and San Rafael, spending a lot of money to hire people at much higher rates. And those two communities are definitely not doing that now. And that was really forcing the rest of the, that was driving the median up by and large. But everything's in cycles and this is, you know, we're at the trough of a cycle. For the municipalities, I can tell you're not at a trough of a cycle if you're hiring a software engineer. You're at the top of the cycle. But that's a different world altogether. |
| 00:53:31.22 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | March. |
| 00:53:41.94 | Unknown | You're hurt. |
| 00:53:48.25 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I think it's self-correcting over time, but it's definitely something to keep an eye on. Peter, you're right on about that. |
| 00:53:55.10 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Anybody else care to comment? All right, seeing none, we'll move on to the next item, which is receive an update on AC34 activities. And who's driving that? Ah, the team. Thank you. |
| 00:54:09.40 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:54:09.48 | Mayor Kelly | morning. Hello, Jim. Good evening. I guess I'll start off. Jim Gabbard? No commercials now. |
| 00:54:11.96 | Jim Gabbard | I guess I'll start off. |
| 00:54:14.04 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | No commercials. Thank you. |
| 00:54:15.83 | Mayor Kelly | you |
| 00:54:16.03 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:54:16.45 | Mayor Kelly | waiting for her. |
| 00:54:16.55 | Councilmember Weiner | waiting for her. |
| 00:54:17.85 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I can't even use it. |
| 00:54:17.99 | Mayor Kelly | Music. |
| 00:54:18.54 | Councilmember Weiner | No 50s, no 60s music. |
| 00:54:20.91 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 00:54:20.97 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:54:20.99 | Jim Gabbard | Oh. No, this is all 80s. |
| 00:54:25.87 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. I'm sorry. |
| 00:54:26.80 | Jim Gabbard | I'm going to go. |
| 00:54:26.81 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:54:26.84 | Jim Gabbard | Well, while Debbie's setting this up, I'd just like to thank you and |
| 00:54:27.03 | Unknown | Well, |
| 00:54:32.03 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you, Mayor Kelly and council members. I'm Jim Gabbard. I was originally the chair of the Mayor's Task Force on AC 34, and that has morphed into something which I'd like to explain. Can I back that up here? |
| 00:54:51.55 | Jim Gabbard | Chief Tehada is our computer guru on this. |
| 00:54:58.28 | Jim Gabbard | Okay, and I can move it here now, just okay. Okay, thank you. Um, As you well know, and I think everybody's talked about this, the America's Cup is coming to San Francisco. And in a way, we've been chasing it because it's been changing on a constant basis. But we spent a lot of time, gone to a lot of meetings. And for those of you, just to give you a feeling of what it's like, we have a very short video that was shot in San Diego and kind of what it's going to feel like here in the Bay. |
| 00:55:34.50 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 00:55:35.93 | Jim Gabbard | Next slide is |
| 00:55:37.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:37.79 | Jim Gabbard | that. |
| 00:55:37.96 | Unknown | race day here in San Diego, California. The World Series starts Good morning. Thank you. America's Cup Racing back to the USA after 16 years. |
| 00:55:47.36 | Lillie Shinsing | It's great to be sailing back in the United States. You know, I'm just... With all these events here, the nervous anticipation is there, and so I'm looking forward to getting the whole thing going. We have a slightly different format here, where we just have the one day of qualifying for the match racing. I think we are looking to improve every single day as a team. |
| 00:56:05.45 | Unknown | All nine skippers were on parade in the America's Cup village for a pre-event press conference, a chance for the media to put their questions to the teams and for a welcome from the mayor of San Diego. |
| 00:56:17.44 | Unknown | Sailing in San Diego are no doubt a perfect match. Not only great sailing conditions and beautiful scenery, but a spirit and enthusiasm that's hard to find anywhere else. San Diegans love this sport, and it's part of our culture. |
| 00:56:30.74 | Unknown | The skipper of the team to beat from the last two regattas, New Zealand's Dean Barker, admitted sailing's not been the only sport on his mind since the last event. |
| 00:56:40.28 | Unknown | We had the World's best rugby team had a small game of rugby. Rugby World Cup. We've been doing a bit of sailing, a lot of work trying to get the design for our 72 organised and yeah, it's been fairly buzzy. |
| 00:56:55.28 | Unknown | The Major America's Cup Regatta will be held in San Francisco in 2013. James Spithill and Oracle Racing brought the Cup back to the States, but the team is finding it hard to stay out in front. |
| 00:57:08.95 | Unknown | There's no question that I'm not happy with our consistency. the match racing and the fleet racing at an event. You know, the two together, the double. You know, I know Dean wants the same thing, and someone's going to do it. And I don't want him to be the first. |
| 00:57:23.53 | Unknown | Tomorrow, all nine boats will start together for three fleet races. The results will set the ceiling for the first heats of the Match Racing Championship, plus a treat for the spectators, an AC45 speed trial, a battle to be the fastest boat across the San Diego Bay. |
| 00:57:40.49 | Jim Gabbard | As you can see, this has become almost an international event, if you will. For instance, there's events going on. It's really a global event on the AC-34. There's Portugal, the U.K., the United States. Naples went on this last weekend. There's Venice, Newport, San Francisco, Venice, and Naples again. So this is global. Now, the thing that is super important, is that this is televised worldwide. And, Sailboat racing in Europe is much bigger in terms of ratings, in terms of people watching it and all. And that puts the limelight on San Francisco and the Bay Area. And obviously Sausalito benefits from that because everybody who comes to San Francisco to see the Americas Cup, they're going to come to Sausalito. I mean, we are definitely number one or number two to Napa on the agenda for tourists and all, which, of course, helps Sausalito and brings in a lot of money to our economy. The television is the first time this has happened. NBC is going to do it. It's free. They're using live cameras, five live cameras on each boat. And this has never been done before. The other thing that's never been done is the San Francisco Bay, you couldn't have a better arena. It's like almost being, you know, it's before Newport, all those other places you have to get a boat and go way out and see it someplace. This goes right by and it becomes something that's never happened before with the America's Cup. Now, Sausalito thought ahead, and I think it was last year that, at the time, Herb Weiner was mayor, and he suggested that we form the mayor's task force to find out what impact it would do on Sausalito. And we had three committees, the Residence Committee, the Maritime Committee, and the Merchants Committee, and I've got to tell you, the Maritime Committee, Actually, the Residence Committee, which one of our biggest concerns is the impact on the residents of San Suido. Do they benefit from this? or is it going to be a pain in the rear? And we wanted to make sure that they all participate and this becomes a community event. And I'd like to recognize the co-chair of our residence, Anne Arnold. Do you want to stand up, Anne, for a second? And she's done a great job working with Bill Warner and they have done fantastic. Also here we have head of our business committee too was Jeff Sheras who's also part of this committee and the maritime committee was headed by Chris Gallagher who you all well know and she's done one hell of a job They've been talking about what are we going to do with the boats, how are we going to deal with this. And Chris, stand up because you, all of you guys have done it. Phenomenal job. So with that, where are we today? What's going to happen in the future? And I'd like to turn it over now to a member of our committee, our chief Jennifer Tejada of the Salisario Police Department, and she's done a lot of work and a great job. |
| 01:00:42.58 | Jennifer Tejada | It wasn't in my job description. |
| 01:00:44.41 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Ha ha ha. |
| 01:00:45.94 | Jennifer Tejada | So in follow-up, if you remember, the task force did a presentation to you, and on the heels of that, you directed staff to do some more exploration using that information. Okay. So one of the things that was important to do was to put Sausalito on the AC34 committee radar screen. So Jeff, Kathy Sierhoff, and myself met with the organizers of AC34, introduced ourselves as representing Sausalito and exploring how they felt about Sausalito's input and potential to be either a sanctioned site for AC34 events, or if we were to go ahead and do our own events, what sort of support would we get for them, or what sort of pushback would we get from them? So we had a very productive conversation with them and established some good business relationships, and we still have lines of communication open with them. We've never committed to doing anything, and neither have they, but the lines of communication are open. So then Supervisor Kate Sears also had her Southern Marin Maritime Committee, and she was looking at it sort of more globally for Southern Marin, what are the environmental impacts, what are the concerns on Richardson Bay, what is the marina community concerned about, what are the residents concerned about. bringing everybody to the table that she could think of to sort of see where do we all sit on this, what are the issues, how do we move ahead, if we move ahead. And we were part of that. We participated in those committee meetings. I think Heidi was most involved because of the environmental impact report. We then, shortly after I got here, we had no public safety oversight on what this meant to Sausalito or to Southern Marin. So we established, Sausalito PD took the lead on bringing together Marin County law enforcement and sort of... Looking at this from a public safety perspective and what considerations we needed to have and how we needed to have input at the table for the greater regional law enforcement community. So since then, San Francisco, who is the lead agency for law enforcement, opened its doors to us. We've been at the table every month. We have been involved in every aspect of the law enforcement piece of this, which is enormous because it's both land and water. So then we had an opportunity to go to San Diego and see for ourselves how this operation works. Is this something that really will work for us? What is this? What it's all about? What are the impacts? Again, AC34 was so accommodating. I got a personal tour, a security-level tour of the entire operation, all of those, I think, over 100 cargo containers that they used to create their AC34 village. It's really a very complex effort and they have, it is truly a village. They have their own TV studio. They have one for regular TV, one for Internet transmission. They have a studio that the cameras from the boats feed into and they do all the editing and it's just phenomenal to see the entire thing in action. Very environmentally conscious. I mean, they know how to do this. They know So I have AC34 partnership. We don't have a partnership up there yet, but we're looking for direction. Is that what you want us to do? Should we go that way and see, do we want to be officially sanctioned as an AC34 event site? What would that look like? Is it – there are a lot of options if we do that. Of course, we looked at revenue potential. We talked to AC34. Do they want to have a store here where we could get some of the sales? A LOT OF OPTIONS IF WE DO THAT. OF COURSE, WE LOOKED AT REVENUE POTENTIAL. WE TALKED TO AC34. DO THEY WANT TO HAVE A STORE HERE WHERE WE COULD GET SOME OF THE SALES TAX REVENUE FROM THEIR PRODUCT? AND THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT. SO WE LOOKED AT LOCATIONS AROUND SAUCILIDO WHERE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. And then, of course, the EIR, the People Plan Transportation from a law enforcement side. I've been very involved with that, paralleling what San Francisco is doing at all of the meetings, talking to the ferry companies, talking to... Golden Gate Transit, making sure one of the most important things I think about starting early in this is making sure that the services that exist now are not rerouted to accommodate visitors in San Francisco or taking our ferry service and moving it. So I made it very clear at the beginning that we are not in a position to give up any of the service and in fact we need probably more service from them. So they also have been, it's been a great journey of people working together, collaborating and figuring out how can we make this a positive experience for everybody. I promise I won't be an hour |
| 01:06:08.27 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 01:06:10.06 | Jennifer Tejada | So, as Mr. Gaubert referenced, this has been quite a moving target. And it's been rather difficult to stay on top of dates, events, number of teams, France just backed out. So, this, as of, of March 27, these are the dates. they may change. So now we have four days this year, much more manageable than I think the nine days that it started out with. So it gives us an opportunity, actually, to really, to not feel so overwhelmed that we are having this huge 2012 event. This seems much more manageable, from my perspective anyway, from law enforcement. You're going to let me know when I'm, okay. The race box has also changed several times. This was the latest update as of, but it has got September 2011, but this still stands as the proposed race box. The pink line above the box, I believe that's where the spectator boats will be. This, of course, falls under the jurisdiction of the Coast Guard. And one of the things that we've done in the police department is we've participated in tabletop exercises. And we just did one, Captain Robarker and I attended one last Wednesday, and it was, A Bad Day at the Races was the title. And every imaginable uh, events occurred from a person on the bridge threatening to jump and backing up traffic in both directions to falling in the bay and whether or not to stop the race. What do we do now? And all of the resources in San Francisco are dedicated to this. So what's available in Marin to help them out? It was a really good exercise. We had a group of protesters interfering with the race, and I forget, we had, I think, four topics that we had to work our way through. But again, you know, It really showed the ability of all these different agencies to work together and look for services, gaps in maybe communication or knowledge of who has jurisdiction. Just a great amount of learning went on in these tabletop exercises. So, spectator estimates is also sort of... It's hard to pin down an accurate number. These numbers came from a study that was done during Fleet Week. So, These numbers, were derived from, they had people all over Marin County and the southern end and also in San Francisco counting cars with a clicker. And we actually, I stopped one guy up on Alexander because I didn't know what he was doing. He's sitting there. And I thought, oh my goodness. He actually didn't know why he was doing it. He was told to go out and count cars in both directions. So these are the numbers, but I can tell you that all of the studies on potential spectators Let us know that Sausalito is going to be impacted. We're not quite sure if it's going to be an additional 5,000 to the tourists that we already see. Or if it's going to be more than that, maybe if we do a special event, we will bring more. But we are looking at additional tourists for this time period because, you know, you're not going to go to San Francisco and look at this between 1 and 5 p.m. and not visit Sausalito. one would think. So, I'm going to keep going? Yes. So I just wanted to give you a snapshot of what city staff has been doing, where they've been focused since your direction. Community development, Heidi has been putting a lot of work into this. These are the things that Heidi has done, and you're going to hear from her a little later tonight. Mike from Parks and Rec has been in conversation with the hospitality committee discussing special events planning. And then the police departments, we have been doing so many things and We're essentially mirroring San Francisco's strategy, and that's everything both on the water and on land, and so it's for us a great opportunity to work with San Francisco PD and learn from them and provide input also. Um, |
| 01:11:18.01 | Jennifer Tejada | And we're going to take questions at the end. |
| 01:11:19.63 | Jim Gabbard | Yeah, I have one quickie I wanted to mention here. is if you look at the... Let's see if I can back this up to it. Here, if you look at this area, right here. Originally, they were going to put the spectator boats over here, and they were going to close both channels during the race, but the shipping industry wouldn't go for that, so the north channel is going to be open. Spectator boats are going to be here, which kind of makes it a little difficult for South Sweetville, depending on the size of the boats. If you have some of those, great. Well, you'll love this. First, there were mega yachts. There were super yachts. Now, to BPC, they're big boats. |
| 01:11:55.20 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | This is |
| 01:11:55.58 | Jim Gabbard | This is the way they're designated by EC34. But if you take a lot of big boats and put them in there from Sausalito, we may originally, we were thinking of some jumbotrons like in various parts, and you'd see the boats way far away. We don't know if that's going to work or not because we may just see a wall of big boats. And so I just wanted to mention, you know, there's a lot that's still in the working. It's... Okay. So what I'd like to do right now is introduce Jeff Shiroz. You know, Jeff is the general manager of Spinnaker, has done a phenomenal job with Amgen. If you recall that when we had it in Sausalito, the big events we had, the big tents. And Jeff is going to pick it up from here. To sale or not to sale? |
| 01:12:24.72 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | But I'd like to... |
| 01:12:42.66 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 01:12:42.71 | Jeff Sheras | Thank you. |
| 01:12:44.02 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:12:45.07 | Jeff Sheras | Thank you. |
| 01:12:45.09 | Councilmember Weiner | Thanks, Jim. Hey, Jeff, I see that you have the three amigos still there. |
| 01:12:48.85 | Jeff Sheras | We do. They're still in the crowd. One's in the crowd over here still, too. |
| 01:12:49.39 | Councilmember Weiner | So they're like, on the ground. |
| 01:12:51.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:52.97 | Jeff Sheras | Right, to sail or not to sail? So we could do nothing, the race could happen, and we just are basically a town allowing people to come into it. Or we could really capture the opportunity, capture what sailing's all about. It's a great race, there's so much momentum around it already, so what can we do to really promote sailing and promote the America's Cup in general. So, of course, local organizing committee. We're looking to form a local organizing committee similar to the Amgen Tour of California. We knew that was very successful and allowed us to bring a lot of people from the community into the organization to really put on different functions, whether it be events or marketing or website design. So many different things that we are looking at possibly doing. Of course, creating a website for residents, making sure people are informed about what to expect. Of course, right now we're dealing with, you know, Doyle Drive down the way here, and really how that affects Sausalito. But communication's key. People know it's coming. They see the signs on the side of the freeway. Well, we need to make sure our residents know of what is up and coming for them. And of course, making sure our website is up and running and current so we can do that as well. Of course, just capitalizing the opportunity, we have recently Chris Gallagher sent me to a Centerfell's chamber which is doing a survey about America's Cup. Well, last time I checked, San Rafael didn't have much waterfront property, or at least as much as Sausalito does. So with that in mind, even San Rafael is trying to get in the game. Well, I think we have a great opportunity to obviously edge out San Rafael in many regards. So if they're looking at it, we have to, of course, look definitely a lot harder. But we have a great advantage, of course, of all of our views and things we have in the water. Of course, we can utilize, as far as used sailing programs, working with the Marine Mammal Center. These organizations are great for community-based events and, of course, getting kids involved in sailing. With the Amtron Church of California, if you remember, we were able to donate quite a few bikes, I think 180 at the time, two bikes in the Marin City School District. I don't think we were able to donate boats, per se, but we definitely can get people, get kids involved in sailing, whether it be sailing programs or just allow them the opportunity to talk and speak to professional skippers. Because as we found with a lot of the kids in Bayside and the schools in the area, they had never met a professional athlete before. So for them, that was a big opportunity to really capture something that was great. Of course, looking to plan a course events to celebrate AC34. We're still looking at different options that are out there. For us this year it looks like more of an educational year. Let people learn more about what sailing's all about. You know, sailing for dummies, sailing 101, you know, learning what port side means. I've actually started to learn a little bit about that. Kind of like back in the Amgitura California days as far as the bike racing as well. Of course, the revenue opportunities, definitely a lot of opportunities out there as far as in town, whether it be merchandising course, temporary permits within the houses, which I know Heidi Burns will be coming up later this evening to talk about. |
| 01:15:42.48 | Unknown | Kind of like that. |
| 01:15:59.22 | Jeff Sheras | And of course, establishing merchandising with AC34 as far as a Sausalito brand, marking ourselves as Sausalito being a destination. |
| 01:16:12.40 | Jeff Sheras | Let's see here, it goes the right way. Of course, looking at the local organizing committee, similar to what we've done for the Amgen Tour California, looking at all the different areas that we'd want to focus on from the marketing side to merchandise, education, volunteers, really making sure we capture everything, every element that they throw at us to make sure we can capitalize on this once in a lifetime opportunity for Sausalito and the Bay Area. |
| 01:16:46.13 | Jeff Sheras | I don't |
| 01:16:49.72 | Jeff Sheras | Right, and here's the viewing opportunities, of course, something that was done for San Francisco in regards to different promotional opportunities for viewing the Naples, which is coming up, of course, or actually was, April 13th, 14th, and 15th, just different venues within San Francisco. And this was, of course, the rec room, the public, actually the public twice. What it allowed people to do is really get excited and watch what the sailing adventure in Naples was all about. Get them in front of the TV, get people just involved, and just a great opportunity for the sport. |
| 01:17:28.28 | Jeff Sheras | Thank you. |
| 01:17:28.60 | Jim Gabbard | Okay, thank you, Jeff, and we'll take questions, but I just have one comment is, |
| 01:17:29.18 | Jeff Sheras | Thank you, Chairman. |
| 01:17:34.44 | Jim Gabbard | We at the Saucero Yacht Club recently, we have a new talk radio station in San Francisco, Newstalk 910, and I've been working there. And I had John Arnt from Latitude 38 magazine, and we were talking about the America's Cup. and immediately somebody said, oh, that's the billionaires' game, and I pointed out, like, how much do basketball players make, how much do baseball players make. I mean, they're all millionaires' things. And we're doing something at the Saucyde Yacht Club this June. North American National Championships of Hobies. And Hobies, they're the 16-footers. We have 70 boats coming that are going to be racing right off of Sausalito. in June. and the date escapes me, but it's either 14th or 17th, it starts and it's for a whole week. But there's 70 boats racing and are, What we're trying to do there is show people that you don't have to be a millionaire or billionaire to get out and enjoy the water and have fun with it. water is what it's all about. this is kind of where we are at this moment and what we're asking from you, I guess, is your support, your direction. This is where we are today, and now let's open it up for questions. |
| 01:18:43.23 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Council. Any questions? |
| 01:18:48.85 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | No. What do you folks need from us? to make this work better. |
| 01:18:54.26 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Right. |
| 01:18:57.70 | Jennifer Tejada | direction to explore this further in a meaningful way, meaning if we move from this point forward, we're going to need funds. We're going to need funds to set up the website. I think the website is key for our resident community to stay informed up to date, up to the minute of what is happening. We need direction from you. Do we want to pursue a partnership with AC34? Do we want to have a sanctioned event in Sausalito? Do you want us to do something like this? I put this up here because this would be so easy for us to do. We could do something like this, bring in a group of kids from Bayside or Willow Creek, have sort of a lecture series, show the race, really get them engaged in the sailing world. So there are a lot of applications. As Mr. Gabbard said, NBC has got the contract to do the TV broadcast. It's free. When we were in talks with AC34, I spoke to the person who was in charge of setting up the connection It was going to cost money. So now we've moved further along in it being more affordable for us, but But in order to move ahead, we do need your I guess, direction. What do you want us to do? Do you want us to move forward and negotiate with AC34? For example, a merchandising store downtown. Do they want to use that as a site? Are we going to do a sanctioned event? Do you want us to focus on educational opportunities for the children in the community? What does that look like? Um, How much is that going to cost? I don't know. But there is a dollar figure. As Charlie says, it always comes down to money. Right, Charlie? And while it's not a great time to ask for money, You can see that the revenue opportunities in this exist. I don't know what they are, but they certainly exist. You have a history in Sausalito of putting on special events. And so it's something that I think is a well-oiled machine. Is that what you would like us to do? So we have from do nothing to... |
| 01:21:12.52 | Adam Politzer | that we have. Thank you. Mr. Vice Mayor and Mayor and Council members, maybe I can help with the answer to that question. It's a bit of a chicken and the egg, and it's almost the exact same. place we were when the Engine Tour of California came and said we'd like to look at Salcedo as a venue. And at that time we didn't have any money to put into this. I think really the the direction we'd like to hear from you is It's really one of the first slides there. Moving from the task force the mayor's task force now to the local organizing committee. and having a local organizing committee come forward in the next month with their recommendations. I think they showed you a menu of possibilities, I think they'd like to get a reaction from you. if there's anything in there. that you just don't want us to pursue, then tell us that now if you know that. then say, come forward and come back with your recommendations and as Chief Tejada shared there, there's certain things that are just low hanging fruit. educational session at the school district and show kids how to get on the water and educate them. the dais would be against that, nor would anyone in the community. So, give these folks the opportunity to move forward that they can during the priority calendar process which it was part of last year and it was ranked. And it's on again for tonight for later. discussion for tonight and the next three council meetings and then in the budget process if you can give them seed money It's exactly the same thing that we did with the tour. You said, here's the seed money. with the obligation that you're going to repay and then grow. grow that money to be able to put on the various events that came from So maybe give them direction to come back form their local organizing committee, go out and solicit additional members to join their team. come back with proposals on first steps, second steps, especially for the first year with things that are starting to gel a little bit in terms of what's going to happen in San Francisco and how we can benefit from that. and then move forward from there for the second year. |
| 01:23:20.01 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Before we get to recommendations though, I want to have any more questions. Any more questions? All right, let us take a little public comment, and then we'll come back with whatever recommendations we can pick up. |
| 01:23:33.14 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 01:23:33.15 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you very much. Thank you, Jim. |
| 01:23:33.17 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you very much. |
| 01:23:36.31 | Mayor Kelly | and Jennifer and Is there anybody from the public who would like to come up and comment about the AC34? Okay, that's very quick. Oh, sorry. |
| 01:23:49.24 | Diane Andrews | Oh, sorry. |
| 01:23:53.91 | Diane Andrews | My name is Diane Andrews, and I just thought I am a sailor, and I just thought I would comment. I had the opportunity to be in Valencia for the America's Cup, and kind of have an interesting perspective because The venue there is right on the beach. and you're looking literally right at the boats in front of you, and you can have paella on the beach and watch all the boats, and we have like the spinnaker in that whole parking lot. What they did was they had a huge, massive screen And you're looking at the boats, but you can also have this huge thing, and really, especially with these big mega yachts or whatever, maybe blocking the race. but with the TV feed, you could really see, and I don't know if you charge or what, but It's like a magnificent place that you could maybe use. |
| 01:24:50.21 | Mayor Kelly | Terrific. Good idea. Thank you. Sure. |
| 01:24:56.15 | Cheryl Popp | I'm Cheryl Popp and I'm speaking as a resident and also a member of the Chamber of Commerce and the board of directors there. On the board also of the Sausalito Yacht Club and a member of the Sausalito Business Advisory Committee. So from all those perspectives, I think ACE 34 is a tremendous opportunity for us. We really want to preserve our maritime heritage and encourage nautical enterprise here. This is a phenomenal opportunity to do that. It's great PR for the city of Sausalito, just like Amgen Tour of California was, and it's a tremendous opportunity for our businesses. So from the chamber perspective and the business advisory committee perspective, we'd be nuts not to do a lot with this. |
| 01:25:40.56 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:25:41.19 | Adam Krivach | Thank you. Good evening. Adam Krivach, 840 Ulima Street. I just would like to point out that regardless of whether we support the events here or not, they will happen in the Bay Area. I think distinguished councilor should think of this as an opportunity opportunity to follow what evolves. That means they should charge a group Task Force or organizing committee, to. learn what they can advise the Council so that the Council can make wise decisions at the time when the opportunities can be taken advantage of and those opportunities can benefit the community. |
| 01:26:35.40 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Anyone else care to weigh in? All right, seeing none, I'll Somebody else? Yeah. missing all the hands going in here. Thank you. |
| 01:26:50.10 | Unknown | I'd just like to mention, forget all the other hats, but as a resident, |
| 01:26:50.29 | Mayor Kelly | No, no. |
| 01:26:55.54 | Unknown | People are going to come anyway. I mean, there's no way we can say have an America's Cup in the San Francisco Bay Area. and then just pretend Nobody's going to come here. If you go downtown during fleet work, week. You can't move. So, We have to plan What are we going to do with traffic? What are we going to do with parking? the business community is already working on what they're going to do there. So we can't just ignore all of this stuff. So you've got a group already and they'll present something to you, but we cannot just look away and do nothing. So whatever that is up there, take it off. We have to plan, we have to do something so that we not only can enjoy it, but we can have the residents buy in on it. So that's my comment. Thank you. |
| 01:27:47.97 | Mayor Kelly | Great advice. Thank you. All right, anybody else? I'll look carefully for hands. All right, seeing that, I'll bring it back up here. Somebody want to weigh in first? |
| 01:27:58.89 | Councilmember Ford | No, I'll just comment. I want to thank the presenters. That was very informative and learned a lot. And thank you to the whole team for all your efforts on this. And it's very exciting to have the America's Club so close. And it is a fantastic opportunity. And I just think it makes all the sense in the world to let this team run and come back to us with some recommendations and see what they come up with. |
| 01:28:33.55 | Councilmember Weiner | Wow. I think it's a terrific opportunity. I'm real pleased that this whole task force has stayed together. I want to thank Chris Gallagher, Jeff Shirash, And, uh... Senior moment. And Jim Gabbitt. |
| 01:28:54.12 | Mayor Kelly | And Jim Gabbard? Jim Gabbard. Jennifer. Jennifer. |
| 01:28:56.78 | Councilmember Weiner | and Jennifer and Ann Arnot and Bill Werner. Because I think they really put a lot of effort into it. |
| 01:29:00.19 | Mayor Kelly | . |
| 01:29:03.64 | Councilmember Weiner | They never fluffed off on it. They stayed right with it. And I think at this point here we should give them whatever support they need. |
| 01:29:16.71 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I would just, I think Ann has some very valid points. Some people are going to come with what percentage come here we won't be able to either control or dissuade if people are of that mindset. So I think we should certainly plan for the impact regardless, and we should also take action proactively. I'm not so sure I really dug the structure of the duck's very formal word. I'm not so sure I enjoyed the way the or thought it was the best scenario, the way the Tour California program was set up in terms of funding and all that kind of stuff. But I think rather than chase or create our own event, I think you're better off tagging onto someone else's PR and this type of thing. And I think your AC, where did Jennifer go? |
| 01:30:00.59 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:30:01.43 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I think unless people feel very strongly otherwise, I think we're better off sort of partnering with the actual event itself in some function because they're going to be struggling to provide venues for people to go to anyway in San Francisco where you have some view of the water given the new courses that they have outlined. It's basically the park and there's not much else where you can go in Marina Green. |
| 01:30:21.83 | Adam Politzer | the point. |
| 01:30:28.15 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I think we're better off in that function. But rather than dedicate money and chase something, I'd rather, I think it's more expeditious to work with the organizers and see if they're, but not get in a position where they're trying to just soak you for money, which they tend to try to do. And you folks have that experience with AEG, who I work with in other parts of life, but that's what they do. But so I think we're, you know, we have a good location to offer and we can come up with a way to work with them. I think that's the best course. I think right now we're cutting salaries and we're, you know, doing things like that. I think we're not probably the best to lay out money. ahead of time, but if need be, if we have a specific need, let's outline that specific need rather than say we'll just throw money into a pot to spend on advertising or PR or whatever. |
| 01:31:14.72 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:31:15.80 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, I'd like to thank the team for all the good work, and I'm so glad that we have had representation from all the areas that would be affected. That's great. And to see everyone working together and continue to work together I think is... we'll bring this together um i would like to see that that we have Well, I think that we can do the smaller things, no problem. The education opportunities and that kind of thing. the team to come back to us with dollar amounts for what they'd like to support and i i agree with council member leon vice mayor leon that partnering and bringing in money that way would be definitely good because the city is struggling financially right now So I'd like to also thank Chief Tejada for planning for the safety issues, the traffic issues. That's key to the residents, and I think it's very important that we keep the residents involved in this and get the Chamber and the Yacht Club also very much involved. Thank you. |
| 01:32:41.42 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Anybody else have anything to say? All right. I will just echo what's been said. I do think the organizing committee is a good idea, and so I'd like to see maybe a recommendation of how you put that together. I think that teaming up with AC34 would also be a good idea and just to find out what they can support or not support or what they might be able to offer, if nothing else, good ideas. The merchandise idea sounds like a great idea because I'm sure tourists will come over here and find that stuff and want to buy it. So, and I think we should look for ways to not only protect ourselves against the masses that are probably going to drive over here to look at what's going on, regardless of what else we do. They're just going to come. And so have good resident participation in safety and structuring the heavy inflows that come into the city in some way so we can protect and preserve bicycles will be, you know, probably doubled, tripled, who knows. And then at the same time, try to find ways that we can capitalize on events, even if they're small events that are held in Gabrielson Park. what have you, I think it would be a great idea. I think the citizens of Saucena would enjoy that a lot. They don't have to go traping over to San Francisco to get So whatever San Francisco is going to be doing along the waterfront would be an interesting study. And they've got a lot of events planned for the whole time, starting with the Louis Vuitton Cup. Any other comments? All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, guys. Thank you. |
| 01:34:17.00 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Do you want the key folks here, Jeff and Jim and other folks, do you want to say, hey, can we hear back from you guys by specific time just in terms of when would you think would be appropriate to come back and say, here we talked to AC34, there's nothing there, or we have to do stuff our own. How much time do you want to, so we can keep bouncing back and forth so we can keep things moving? |
| 01:34:18.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:34:29.78 | Unknown | of appropriate. |
| 01:34:32.11 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | to come back and say, here's |
| 01:34:42.74 | Jennifer Tejada | Yes, so in the interest of time, one of the recommendations was come back to you with a suggestion for the local organizing committee. Right. So here's our suggestion. So in the interest of time, maybe now is the time to say yay or nay to that concept because these people will then be able to determine, oh, this costs money, so it will allow us to not have to spread ourselves that thin to go and research this. So if you would give us some direction on the LOC, that would be really helpful tonight. Agreed. |
| 01:35:23.54 | Adam Politzer | I agree. |
| 01:35:26.07 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, so what do you want? What specifically do you want us to say? |
| 01:35:30.51 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I'm going to go. Thank you. I can't tell you an AC34 team liaison. So you mean you want to find people who fit these categories. Do you want you folks to do it or do you want the city to do it? |
| 01:35:35.49 | Mayor Kelly | You know what I mean? |
| 01:35:35.83 | Jennifer Tejada | Thank you. |
| 01:35:40.72 | Jennifer Tejada | Are you comfortable with having a local organizing committee with these, the focus being in these Yes. |
| 01:35:49.46 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Unless you eliminate them as you go through because you think there's nothing there. |
| 01:35:53.56 | Jennifer Tejada | Yes, so for example, the Marine Mammal Center, there was a discussion with them about an educational program partnering with them. but it may incorporate Heather and her program also. It's just an example of partnering with a nonprofit to bring America's Cup |
| 01:36:05.10 | Unknown | Awesome. |
| 01:36:05.58 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Right. |
| 01:36:11.11 | Jennifer Tejada | together under the umbrella of a nonprofit. Maybe they're the beneficiary of an event that we have. So that's sort of. |
| 01:36:15.01 | Mayor Kelly | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:36:15.04 | Jim Gabbard | Right. |
| 01:36:15.30 | Mayor Kelly | THE END OF THE END OF THE That's correct. No, I think they're |
| 01:36:17.96 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 01:36:18.03 | Mayor Kelly | Great. There's one thing. |
| 01:36:19.87 | Jim Gabbard | is I guess what we're really asking is we're willing to put these committees together. I guess we're asking for your blessing on it. Yeah. |
| 01:36:27.01 | Mayor Kelly | Absolutely. That's what we're asking for. Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:36:28.90 | Jim Gabbard | There's one other item I'm working on which is, again, it could be, I'm looking for sponsorships. for like... like they do with the art festival and all. And I don't know if we could get that or not. |
| 01:36:37.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:37.91 | Mayor Kelly | Oh, hell. |
| 01:36:40.76 | Jim Gabbard | But if we do, that money would go towards funding a lot of this. That would be helpful. I just don't know if we could do it or not. I was looking at getting about $250,000 to $500,000 |
| 01:36:43.66 | Mayor Kelly | That would be a |
| 01:36:49.57 | Jim Gabbard | and sponsorships from Well, I don't want to say where it's coming from yet, but I think... TV 20. Not quite. Because, see, the one thing... Can we have a dance? |
| 01:36:53.22 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah. I think... |
| 01:36:56.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:56.68 | Councilmember Weiner | Bye. |
| 01:36:56.71 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:36:56.74 | Unknown | Not quite. |
| 01:36:57.96 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Yeah. |
| 01:36:57.97 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 01:36:58.01 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:36:58.04 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | because... We have that. party. We can do that. If we can do that, the money will come. |
| 01:37:00.61 | Jim Gabbard | We can do that. I don't know. Yeah, the one thing I think that is going to happen, and I think we all realize that, and Jeff has come up with the idea of having like a big tent like they did on MGen with a big plasma screen or a huge big screen, and make it a community event. Bring the community in as much as we possibly can. So Sausalito is having a big party, and that's what we're working on. So we will go ahead with that, and then we could come back to you after |
| 01:37:03.58 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | . Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:37:28.33 | Jim Gabbard | We have these meetings. Get this thing organized. Come back and say, okay, this is what we need from you specifically. And I guess we're asking for just the blessing on this. Thank you. |
| 01:37:36.30 | Mayor Kelly | Yep. |
| 01:37:36.55 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 01:37:36.87 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:37:36.90 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 01:37:37.02 | Mayor Kelly | You have it. Thank you. |
| 01:37:37.97 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 01:37:38.54 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Just don't hit up SunSail until we find out they have permits. |
| 01:37:40.52 | Jim Gabbard | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:37:41.97 | Jennifer Tejada | Okay. |
| 01:37:42.19 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:37:42.20 | Jennifer Tejada | laughter |
| 01:37:43.98 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 01:37:44.03 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:37:44.57 | Jennifer Tejada | Thank you. |
| 01:37:44.60 | Mayor Kelly | That's it. |
| 01:37:45.75 | Jennifer Tejada | Thank you. We have one more request. I think one of the key tools for us in generating interest and input from residents is the website. We already have, we actually do have a design in place. Kathy Sierhoff did that. But this will be a good tool for us to accomplish this. So we, I think, would like you to give us some seed money to start that, and I don't remember the cost. |
| 01:38:15.46 | Jeff Sheras | Right. It depends on how far we implement it or go with the website, but obviously just for a standard small website, anywhere from, given some latitude, of course, probably around $4,000. |
| 01:38:29.20 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Is there any money left in the hotel hospitality budget? Why don't you start with these guys rather than us with that? Because we don't have the purse strings up here. It's the people who run the show. |
| 01:38:38.48 | Mayor Kelly | that you're seeing. Maybe what we could do... Herbie and I might have some money left. I'm not sure we've been giving it away pretty well these days. |
| 01:38:43.21 | Unknown | Herbie. Yeah. or something. |
| 01:38:46.77 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I'm sorry. |
| 01:38:50.92 | Mayor Kelly | But 1,000 here, 1,000 there, maybe 1,000 from the chamber, and we match together. There's a couple thousand, and we pick up a couple thousand. |
| 01:38:56.77 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. A COUPLE OF THINGS. |
| 01:38:57.25 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 01:38:57.35 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Bye. |
| 01:38:57.36 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 01:38:57.47 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | take it out of somewhere, you're running at a deficit. |
| 01:38:57.77 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. running at a deficit right now. I see the website as being a central gift. And hopefully, fingers crossed, we'll get sponsorships. |
| 01:38:59.26 | Mayor Kelly | I see the right. |
| 01:39:01.03 | Councilmember Weiner | website Yeah. And hopefully. Fingers crossed. We'll get sponsorships. Well, you know, speaking for myself, I don't really take my pay, so it accumulates, and I'll be able to make a contribution there to help you from that aspect. |
| 01:39:08.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:08.33 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE |
| 01:39:08.62 | Jim Gabbard | I- |
| 01:39:18.95 | Mayor Kelly | I may have some left. |
| 01:39:21.07 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:39:21.11 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Bye. |
| 01:39:21.12 | Mayor Kelly | . |
| 01:39:21.28 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 01:39:21.31 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:39:21.33 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | You're coming back in how much time for this? |
| 01:39:28.53 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | in two months. |
| 01:39:30.39 | Mayor Kelly | You're going to |
| 01:39:30.61 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | in two months. Maybe come meet with these folks and maybe one of you can come back before then and we can, yeah. Okay. |
| 01:39:30.86 | Mayor Kelly | Nice. |
| 01:39:36.52 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:39:36.53 | Jim Gabbard | We promise we'll keep it shorter. |
| 01:39:39.72 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | No, no, no, that's not the problem. It's more just to let, if you're asking elected officials to control purse strings, you just heard your response, not very good at that. So let's let the people who really control the money. Probably doing pretty well. Because they actually write the checks. |
| 01:39:43.72 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:39:52.60 | Mayor Kelly | We're doing pretty well. |
| 01:39:54.08 | Jim Gabbard | Right. |
| 01:39:54.15 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:39:54.17 | Jim Gabbard | the checks. |
| 01:39:54.99 | Mayor Kelly | All right. We'll get the money. Okay. |
| 01:39:55.13 | Jim Gabbard | you |
| 01:39:58.44 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:39:58.50 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you very much. Thank you. |
| 01:39:59.85 | Mayor Kelly | Great. Thank you. All right. Moving right along. We are not. Status report on regulation short-term vacation rentals. |
| 01:39:59.97 | Jim Gabbard | Thank you. |
| 01:40:09.29 | Mayor Kelly | Heidi Burns. from the Community Development Department. |
| 01:40:13.28 | Heidi Burns | Good evening, Mayor Kelly, members of the City Council. I have a presentation. Debbie, can you pull that up? Seems like it's been a while since I've been up here last time. I think it was in January, so it's nice to be back. |
| 01:40:23.51 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | or |
| 01:40:23.97 | Unknown | I think it was in January. |
| 01:40:39.93 | Heidi Burns | Thank you, Debbie. As we heard from the- |
| 01:40:41.40 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Jeff, would you close that door so people can talk? Thanks. |
| 01:40:47.68 | Heidi Burns | . |
| 01:40:47.83 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Yes. |
| 01:40:48.05 | Heidi Burns | As we heard with the last presentation, the America's Cup is coming to San Francisco and visitors are expected to come to Sausalito. So with that, staff has had an opportunity to plan for events and one of those opportunities is to look at our current regulations, identify any type of regulatory impediments, which exist, and then come up with temporary short-term solutions to modify those regulations in order to accommodate the visitors as well as the needs of the residents. So one of the items that staff has identified is a temporary short-term vacation rental ordinance. The goal of this ordinance is to balance visitors' experiences with property owners' considerations. So what this means is currently in our zoning ordinance, transient rental of property, which means renting of your property for 30 days or less, is prohibited in Sausalito. And so what this ordinance would allow would be to allow the rental of properties on a short-term basis. And the duration of the ordinance would begin from July 2012 to October 2012, which would coincide with the America's Cup events that we heard about in the last presentation, as well as allowing short-term vacation rentals in May 2013 and September, through September 2013. And the ordinance would have a sunset, which means it would terminate at the end of September, September 30th. So some of the items within the temporary short-term vacation rental ordinance that staff is thinking about is we would... create an administrative certificate process based on performance standards and thresholds. And some of those performance standards and thresholds would include a limit on the number of residences per parcel. For example, if you owned a property that had two units, you'd be able to rent one unit of the two. The minimum duration of a rental, how long is the minimum and maximum of your stay, what do you do with parking associated with the rental, how do you accommodate special events or how do you address special events such as weddings and lawn parties, how do you address trash recycling facilities, the ordinance would allow the city to receive transient occupancy tax. The ordinance would also include requiring a designated representative associated with the rental property. So if anything were to occur on that property, the city, police, fire, anybody could, to contact that representative. There would also be noticing and posting requirements, signage requirements, as well as a provision for code enforcement to follow our current code enforcement proceedings. So what has occurred to date is staff has put together some bullet points and a draft working, you know, concept of what the ordinance would include, and we brought that to the Legislative Committee on March 14th of this year. The Legislative Committee did provide direction to staff, and staff is currently fine-tuning the draft ordinance and will begin bringing the ordinance to the Planning Commission on May 9th. Planning Commission will conduct a public hearing and provide a recommendation to the City Council. Because this is a legislative action, it does require two public hearings with the city council, and staff anticipates bringing this ordinance to the city council on June, 5th and June 19th, and if all goes well, the ordinance would become effective on July 19th of this year. As identified in the staff report, this is an informational only item and no action is being recommended to be required. So with that, if you have any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them. |
| 01:44:38.51 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. So I heard a rumor, and I don't know if this is true or not, that San Francisco has waived their short-term occupancy ordinance during the America's Cup. Any truth to that rumor or do you know anything |
| 01:44:57.97 | Heidi Burns | about it, but I haven't researched it further to find out if it's really gone into effect. But I could look into that if the city council would like me to. |
| 01:45:09.59 | Councilmember Ford | I'd be curious. I'm going to follow up, please. |
| 01:45:11.60 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah, if you just don't do deep research. Just call somebody and ask. |
| 01:45:14.62 | Councilmember Ford | Just call somebody there. |
| 01:45:16.66 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:45:17.57 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:45:18.15 | Councilmember Ford | Mr. Mayor, I have another question. And is there any idea with respect to how much staff time would it take to set up this new ordinance and administer it and enforce it? Thank you. |
| 01:45:35.33 | Heidi Burns | So in terms of staff hours, man hours to date, staff has had relatively little hours spent on this. And we have been able to come up with a pretty solid draft ordinance. So in terms of writing, going through the Planning Commission, City Council public hearings is just a matter of few hours for the staff reports and presentations. In terms of the certificate process, other communities have a lot of tools in place that we can utilize and incorporate into our certificate process. And staff anticipates the process would be similar to our occupational use permit applications, which we currently issue mostly over the counter. So as long as our an owner of a property meets the listed thresholds and the application would require the application the applicant to provide that information, then it would be a relatively short time to process it. Plus there would be an administrative fee to process the application, which in theory would cover staff's time. |
| 01:46:40.43 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | . So, Heidi, technically right now, ranching out, for 30 days or less is not a legal activity in Sausalito. |
| 01:46:47.38 | Vasco Moreson | Thank you. |
| 01:46:48.24 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Right. And that's to provide, my understanding is that's to provide even footing for hotels as well as to deal with the of if you're turning a property into more of a hotel-like situation, it creates sort of costs on those around you and on the community as a whole that a hotel would normally have to pay for otherwise. Yes. Okay. Have you had, have we had folks come to the counter inquiring about, do I need a permit for this? As far as you two, do you or Jeremy know? |
| 01:47:20.65 | Heidi Burns | No, we haven't received any inquiries at all. Thank you. |
| 01:47:23.60 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:47:23.66 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 01:47:23.73 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:47:23.85 | Heidi Burns | regarding this. The only comments that we have received is that the current hotels in Sausalito support this draft ordinance |
| 01:47:32.02 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Okay. |
| 01:47:35.75 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Is there a way that neighbors can learn that their neighbor is going to be renting out their property short term? in case they want to weigh in on it. |
| 01:47:53.23 | Heidi Burns | Yeah, through the performance thresholds identified in the ordinance, there would be a noticing requirement. We're still currently trying to fine tune exactly what that's going to be, but there will be a component to it. Thanks. |
| 01:48:13.09 | Mayor Kelly | Any other questions? Questions? No? |
| 01:48:16.38 | Heidi Burns | Jeremy Graves wanted me to point out that this ordinance would be coming before the city council for final approval, and you would be able to weigh in on that as well. |
| 01:48:24.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:24.18 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Okay. All right. Any other questions? Seeing none, we'll open for – thank you, Hattie. We'll open for public comment. Would anybody from the public care to weigh in on this? |
| 01:48:42.35 | Unknown | I'm not saying I'm for or against this, but short of having your neighbor squeal on you |
| 01:48:46.67 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:48:47.38 | Unknown | Thank you. Um, How are you going to implement this thing? I mean, we're going through the... and it's going to sunset at the end of the America's Cup. Um, She said it didn't take much staff time. Fine, but how are you going to enforce something like this, short of having somebody next door pick up a phone and say, hi, do you know? I know for a fact. that there are websites already advertising Sausalito. |
| 01:49:17.17 | Adam Politzer | I'm sorry. |
| 01:49:17.34 | Unknown | Thank you. So how these people have got no people to do it, I don't know. But I'm just asking, are you going to enforce this? |
| 01:49:28.79 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:49:28.93 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 01:49:28.94 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:49:28.98 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 01:49:29.32 | Heidi Burns | Thank you. I can answer that. As part of this program, we're definitely going to be putting together a lot of advertising materials to let property owners know that this program is going to become effective. Also, our city's code enforcement officer is currently embarking upon current code enforcement relating to these short-term rentals. The city staff is aware of these websites and aware of the properties that are currently listing their properties. So it does take time, but through the city's code enforcement process, there's a way to recoup monies for staff time based on the citations. |
| 01:49:37.42 | Unknown | No. |
| 01:49:52.22 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:50:04.13 | Mayor Kelly | John Farrell. |
| 01:50:12.97 | John Farrell | John Farrell, I don't know a lot about this subject, but it strikes me as Rather, an unnecessary encroachment on people's private properties. Now, I say that with no intention whatsoever to rent my place out, but I'm really wondering how big of a problem this is. I mean, how many people is it gonna be? And my guess is, that the point that was made about the cost of policing things policing this thing and administrating it is going to far exceed whatever you'd bring in by licensing. And another point is I don't think that folks are going to come and rent houses here to see the America's Cup. are going to be the real troublemaker kind of, I mean, these are generally pretty wealthy folks and not that they don't have parties and so on and so forth. But I really wonder how big of a problem this is. It seems to me like this is frankly being overdone. And I really wonder whether it's not simply another encroachment on property rights that's unnecessary. That's my view on it. Thank you. |
| 01:51:16.47 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:51:17.77 | John Farrell | Thank you. |
| 01:51:17.79 | Mayor Kelly | Anyone else care to come in? Okay. Bring it back up here. Comments? |
| 01:51:28.10 | Councilmember Ford | I will comment. Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Yeah, I have to say that I'm a skeptic. I think that the cost of staff time, the time it would take to administer it and to enforce it, I think is prohibitive. I think we have a lot of policies already in place that would take care of any of the, quote, you know, troublemakers that could, you know, pop up. And it feels like a layer of bureaucracy that we're, you know, putting out there. So, um, yeah. And it feels like a layer of bureaucracy that we're putting out there. So just my 10 cents. I'm concerned about the fairness of administering it, the fairness of enforcing it, and the staff time required for setting it up. |
| 01:52:16.24 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Do you have any knowledge of these businesses? |
| 01:52:22.05 | Councilmember Ford | I'm sorry, what? |
| 01:52:23.18 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Do you know anyone who's running these businesses? |
| 01:52:25.59 | Councilmember Ford | What? |
| 01:52:27.03 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | the short term rentals. Thank you. |
| 01:52:28.34 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | The board is. |
| 01:52:29.26 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 01:52:29.31 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | to me. |
| 01:52:30.40 | Councilmember Ford | Well, I actually do know some people who are interested in doing that and are looking at that, but that's irrelevant, Council Member Leon. |
| 01:52:40.78 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Bye. |
| 01:52:40.83 | Councilmember Ford | And I have to say, and I have no intention of doing anything with my property, certainly. I'm just saying that it feels to me like it is a layer of bureaucracy and it feels like the time it would take and the cost to the city staff to enforce it and administrate it and set it up seems prohibitive to me. |
| 01:53:05.30 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:53:05.42 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:53:05.50 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. I think that in reading the staff report, we have in place a short-term basis, 30-day or less. You can't do it. So what happens when the first person does it, |
| 01:53:11.41 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Amen. |
| 01:53:22.49 | Mayor Kelly | and the neighbors call up and say, oh my god, there's six people staying in so-and-so's house. Jeremy is going to be enforcing that. through this particular ordinance. So we're going to be engaged no matter whether we like it or not because it's going to happen. I mean, I must confess, I don't want to mention names, but two people have called me and they're unlikely people that would call me, but they've called and asked could they rent their house out because they've been offered a lot of money for their house So it's here. I think we should wrap our arms around it, be as positive about it, give them the opportunity to engage in some amount of commerce, but control that, and then take some fees from it so we can pay for ourselves, which the TOT would easily do, I think. So that's kind of my take on it. |
| 01:54:11.50 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And I agree, Mr. Mayor. I agree with that. I think it's coming, and so we deal with it. And if we don't, people won't be able to rent their places out if there are any complaints from neighbors. So we have to get that worked out first with the neighbors. Right. |
| 01:54:20.75 | Cheryl Popp | Right. |
| 01:54:26.62 | Mayor Kelly | with the neighbors. All right, okay, so that's my thought. So I would encourage, if we all agree, encourage to have staff move forward and come back with an ordinance that covers this. |
| 01:54:29.56 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:54:38.18 | Councilmember Weiner | And I agree. It's on the books. What's the rule for? If we don't enforce it, what are we having for? |
| 01:54:40.41 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:54:40.48 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:54:40.61 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:54:40.71 | Councilmember Ford | I mean, |
| 01:54:40.98 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:54:41.12 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:54:41.18 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:54:41.20 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:54:41.22 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:54:44.00 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. Thank you. What do we have before? Mr. Mayor, may I comment? Thank you. I guess if currently it's illegal for anyone to run out, then I can see us making a temporary ordinance for the America's Cup specifically, where I guess my point is charging the TOT tax, the administrative fee, the code enforcement, the time of code enforcement. |
| 01:54:47.27 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:55:07.95 | Mayor Kelly | time. That pays for it, though, doesn't it? |
| 01:55:12.50 | Councilmember Ford | I... I just feel like there's a difference between allowing people to rent out their property for a shorter period of time is a simple thing to do as opposed to introducing a whole lot of administrative checks and balances. That's all. |
| 01:55:32.23 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Well, I would propose that we let staff come. It's going to come back to us. We have time to massage it and, you know, debate various issues about it. So I would propose that we direct staff to Get busy. Any disagreements? We're going to have to vote on it. |
| 01:55:49.39 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I think you're actually putting together, it's just like with the discussion we just had about the America's Cup. These things are going to take place. You want to provide a controlled legal way for people to do things that's going to lessen the impact to the community. And it's also, you have to have an evening playing field for the hotels, which pay a significant amount of TOT tax because you're in fact taking business out of their, potentially out of their pocket. So the city shuts down. |
| 01:56:14.13 | Unknown | So, |
| 01:56:15.97 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. or enforces against people who are running hotels out of their house currently, which happens all the time if you check Craigslist, so that this is a continuation of that policy. |
| 01:56:26.36 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Okay, any other comments? You've got your marching orders? Okay, great. All right, moving right along. We are at item D, which is to approve the amendment to the solid waste franchise agreement with Bay City's Refuse. Service, expanding services include weekly curbside green waste and food scrap recycling and modifying service rates. |
| 01:57:15.52 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you, Debbie. I would like to thank the Mayor, Council, City Manager, Director of Public Works, and Sausalito Sustainability Commission for the opportunity to present to you a modified proposal for an expansion of services for weekly green waste and food scrap recycling. My name is Andrew Davidson, staff engineer in your Department of Public Works. Here tonight to help answer questions and generally keep the presentation bright are the two Gregs, Greg Christie and Greg Smith of BCRS. And they are tired. |
| 01:57:52.01 | Andrew Davidson | As a brief reminder, the Sustainability Commission has been interested in actively working on this topic for more than two years and came before you on October 4, 2011 to explain why the City of Sausalito should have a food scrap composting program. During that October meeting, you directed Bay Cities Refuse, your solid waste collector, and staff to develop a food scrap composting program to be presented to you at a future meeting. On March 13th of this year, BCRS and staff presented a proposed green waste and food scrap program. At the end of that presentation, you directed that a rate hearing be scheduled requested additional information on the number of residents that currently take advantage of the backyard garbage service offered by BCRS versus those who place their garbage on the curb. that two gallon kitchen pails be made available to all households. that a third and smaller size green waste compost and recycling container be offered to residents, and that staff look at the possible means of providing subsidies for low or fixed income residents to help offset the rate increase. |
| 01:59:04.57 | Andrew Davidson | Two dress items raised, BCRS and staff are proposing a somewhat modified program with the modifications shown here in blue. And those are the only ones I'm going to touch on. So we have a new BCRS supplied green waste and food scrap cart for each customer. A new BCRS supplied two gallon food scrap kitchen pails. |
| 01:59:04.60 | Joe Lemon | So, |
| 01:59:04.87 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 01:59:26.42 | Andrew Davidson | Removing the limited portion there? |
| 01:59:31.87 | Andrew Davidson | and new BCRS supplied recyclable carts for each customer. audiovisual time. |
| 01:59:44.16 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 01:59:44.19 | Unknown | Oh, here they are. I'm going to put them all out here. |
| 02:00:03.70 | Andrew Davidson | At your request, a third and smaller container option for both green waste compostables and for recyclables has been added. In addition to the 65 and 32 gallon carts previously presented, which you can see these are the two larger ones, a container between 20 and 25 gallons will be made available for those who find this size more appropriate for their needs. And I believe the smaller green one there is the 25 gallon size. So a 20 gallon size will be a little shorter than that. So for the green waste compostables, you will be able to select a green colored container that is either 65 gallons, 32 gallons, or the smaller 20 to 25 gallon container. Similarly for the recyclables, you'll be able to select a blue colored container that is either the 65 gallon, 32 gallon, or the smaller 20 or 25 gallon container. Originally, a limited number of the kitchen pails were to be made available, but as discussed on March 13th, there will be kitchen pails for all, and that's actually all households, not all individuals. |
| 02:01:12.55 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 02:01:13.65 | Andrew Davidson | And those are the smaller, those two gallon, those are representative there. Free to seat. |
| 02:01:23.65 | Andrew Davidson | On March 13th, you asked for a count of the households taking advantage of the backyard garbage service versus those that bring their garbage to the curb. shortly after that. Council meeting, BCRS conducted a count with the results here as shown. So more for those of you who can't see this, a total of 2,500 households were counted. Of that count, 77% or some 1,900 are taking advantage of the backyard garbage service, leaving 23% or about 580 folks using the garbage at the curb, bringing their garbage to the curb. |
| 02:01:58.04 | Unknown | uh, |
| 02:02:03.70 | Andrew Davidson | On March 13, he requested that staff examine a means of providing low or fixed income city residents a subsidy for the proposed rate increase. Staff believes that a lifeline rebate program with funds coming from the city's general fund could be developed modeled on the city's sewer lifeline rebate program established in October of 2009. With direction from the City Council, staff will prepare and bring to the Council a similar program specifically to address the proposed BCRS rate increase. and now money. As estimated by BCRS, the annual cost of the proposed program plus an increase in hazardous waste fees and equipment modernization not directly associated with the program amount to $258,400. With an across the board rate increase of 9.5%, the net annual revenue to BCRS is also $258,400. For a customer who currently has a single month can rate of $33.70, The 9.5% rate increase is equivalent to an increase of $3.20 per month which increases the customer's monthly single can rate to $36.90. Lots of money. Here's a breakdown of the estimated costs. There are two components being captured in this proposed rate increase. The majority of the costs are specified, or specific to the Green Waste Compostable Program, start up an operation and total $235,900 annually. The smaller component of the proposed rate increase totaling $22,500 is to address an increase in hazardous waste fees, which are paid to the Marin County's Hazardous Waste Joint Powers Authority Program, the JPA, and to retrofit a spare truck with a diesel particulate filter to bring it up to the California Air Resource Board standards, which will make it available as a backup vehicle for Sausalito. Regarding the fee paid to the JPA, between fiscal year 2010-2011 and 2011, 2012, the fee increased by $12,500. The CRS pays this as a pass-through fee to the JPA and then collects it from its customers. This fee allows Sausalito residents to take their household hazardous waste to the household hazardous waste facility in San Rafael. |
| 02:04:50.29 | Andrew Davidson | Now on the revenue side, With the proposed 9.5% increase, VCRS estimates that its annual revenue will be $304,000. Adjusting for the 15% city franchise fee, BCRS's estimated net annual revenue equal to estimated annual cost. And they balance out here. |
| 02:05:14.74 | Andrew Davidson | During that March 13th presentation, it was pointed out that the Green Waste Food Scrap program will be a limited service. Currently, you enjoy an unlimited greenway service with collection twice a month. Under the proposed program, the amount of green waste will be limited to the size of the new BCRS-supplied green card plus one additional bundle of green waste that won't fit into this cart. The additional bundle of green waste could be a customer-supplied green cart as large as 65 gallons. The larger one here. Beyond this, there will be an additional charge of $6 per extra cart or bundle. Now to emphasize, with a weekly green cart service, a customer may place two 65-gallon green carts out for collection per week at no additional charge. |
| 02:06:08.62 | Andrew Davidson | Now this is a rate comparison sheet between communities here in Marin. For Sausalito, BZRS compares its rates with Larkspur, Mill Valley, Belvedere, and Tiburon. Now, the average single can cost of these four communities with a composting program in place is $38.46, which is $1.56 more per month than will be the proposed single can rate insoscibly to with that 9.5% increase. |
| 02:06:43.70 | Andrew Davidson | First, I recommend that you approve an agreement amendment authorizing Bay City's Refuge Service, a service rate increase of 9.5%, and an expansion of its services to include weekly curbside food scrap recycling. Second is to authorize the city manager to execute said agreement amendment following approval of the amendment as to form by the city attorney. That concludes my formal presentation. If the Greggs would like to come up and speak, or otherwise we'll just be prepared to answer your questions. |
| 02:07:18.20 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, questions? |
| 02:07:21.06 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, I have a question. |
| 02:07:21.23 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:07:23.36 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | We, I see, and thank you for following up and getting the information, all right? 77% of our people have backyard service. Here's my concern. I fully support composting, and I think it's time that we need to get with the program. But I'm concerned about the senior citizens and others who have their garbage cans down the hill or up the hill and have to carry them down and then back up. It's either that or they aesthetically we're going to have these cans lined up along the street because there's no place to store them. So my question is, would it be possible to have yet a smaller size, then this 20 gallon that people could put know inside their garbage can or whatever that could be carried up as part of it, or even that little kitchen container because some of the people may not generate any more than that in a week a single person. That's my concern. I just think we've got an issue with people going up and down. Hills. with any of these cards if you put them on the street it's an aesthetic issue, it's going to look very bad. And people don't have built-in things on the street already, and in some places, there's no space for them to be built in. It's Sausalito in the hills. What can you tell me about that? |
| 02:09:09.94 | Adam Politzer | Andy, if I may just jump in on that just to clarify so everyone's on the same page. What happens today is it's un-uniformed and they can put out as much green waste as they like grant to the Terry. two weeks' nurses every week, |
| 02:09:22.95 | Unknown | Chewy. |
| 02:09:24.59 | Adam Politzer | but some people put it out in bags, nicely sorted. Some people just tie ropes around it. Some people stuff it in garbage cans. So it's not as if it's going to get any worse. It's just going to happen weekly and it at least become more uniform. But I just wanted to clarify what exists today is anyone that's participating in the Green Waste Program takes it to the curb in all different fashions. So if you wanted to expand on that, Greg, or Andy, I just wanted to share. |
| 02:09:50.95 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I don't know. That's a different issue, in my opinion, because not everyone puts out green waste. So we're talking about a new program that is composting that I would hope that everyone wants to participate in. And this I think we need to make very easy for our customers, our senior citizens, our people who have to deal with stairways. So this is composting. A lot of them have their gardeners carry away green waste. So this is something new. It's something different from what they're doing. And we need to somehow capture that 77% or somewhere around that. |
| 02:10:38.55 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. The 77% refers to backyard service. A better term would have been to use on property service. The standard is if it's farther than, you know, five to ten feet away from the curb, it's considered on property and that's where other companies charge additional for that, where in Sausalito we don't. So yes, there are people that are upstairs, you know, downstairs to get to their houses and we do realize that. I mean, it's an area where, |
| 02:11:02.53 | Unknown | to get to the point. |
| 02:11:07.68 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Once you do a route, you kind of know where the people are and where the problems are and who you need to help out. I mean, that's one way to look at it. We would know where to go to help those certain people. That CAN is a larger version of the CAN that we were talking about. It's a more narrower one. and I was looking to get one that kind of dimension but smaller, a lot smaller. So, yeah. So, if you're talking about supplying a smaller can or a smaller container that somebody can carry down to the curb easily, that's not a problem because we're still exploring that avenue. It's kind of getting the whole, keeping the whole toter program or the cart program within the budget. We're already, you know, budgeted $230,000. |
| 02:11:31.27 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 02:11:52.89 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | But The minimum bid is $240,000 at this point. but changing the sizes can help in getting those prices under control a little bit. But then I can find a cart or container that'll work. |
| 02:12:07.45 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | I have. one here that I brought. that it's not ideal. |
| 02:12:12.07 | Mayor Kelly | You have to take the mic with you, unfortunately. |
| 02:12:12.09 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Yep. . Yeah. |
| 02:12:18.49 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | not ideal, but this was another option. And I didn't like this because of the squareness. And it has two handles, but we're still looking at different things we can do. |
| 02:12:26.94 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Okay. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:12:29.42 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | there will be a smaller container for certain instances for people that need it, but also we're willing to make sure we work with the people that need the help. We understand that. And I think the Sausalito Village group also offered at some point when they get up and running to help out with people bringing their stuff down or people that need that help and we're willing to work with them too. |
| 02:12:41.00 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:12:53.64 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | As far as like trying to change the whole program though to something that we're going to move it to the backyard or something, I think we came up with a good program right now because everybody's bringing their recycling to the curb right now. They're bringing their green waste to the curb. Some people have containers they leave out and there's 15 or 20 containers sitting out in front of a neighborhood because everybody sets out one-on-one place. I think this is kind of bringing a uniformity to it. It's giving a container where everybody can put recycling in a bigger container if they choose to have the smaller container. And there is yet another wheeled cart that's smaller, but I don't believe that it can be carried up and down stairs quite as easily. But that can is the best option, but in a smaller size. |
| 02:13:26.46 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:13:26.48 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | quite |
| 02:13:32.08 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:13:32.38 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | And that's what we're looking for. |
| 02:13:34.14 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Oh, that would be helpful. Okay. |
| 02:13:36.08 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | All right, you're welcome. |
| 02:13:36.77 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Yeah. What I don't want to see, I mean, you need to see these out on the day the garbage is picked up, of course, or the green waste. But to have them out there all week long, that's, in some cities you see that. They're just lined with cans. And it's very unsightly. |
| 02:13:42.12 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Right. |
| 02:13:49.58 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Yes. |
| 02:13:53.14 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Right, and I'm hoping that we don't have that problem here and that, you know, there are car ports in some instances. There are places people are going to be able to put them. But if we get the right car to the right people and we have that third option that fits everything, but that can is definitely bigger than the one that we would use. |
| 02:14:04.21 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | It's good. Thank you. |
| 02:14:07.50 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:14:07.52 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. |
| 02:14:07.84 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:14:07.87 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Good. Thank you. |
| 02:14:10.11 | Councilmember Ford | Mr. Mayor? Thank you. So if we go back to the slide that had the list of the expenses that are... Yeah, thank you. So, no, the... Yes. Communities? Yes, thank you. So I see there's a column for backyard service, and I see a number of towns provide backyard service. And so when you commented that the proposed fee increase with Sausalito was competitively lower, |
| 02:14:21.73 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Communities? Yes, thank you. |
| 02:14:41.27 | Councilmember Ford | Um... It also says Backyard. backyard service OIC, but not for for the green food. You see what I'm saying? And I remember in the last meeting, the reason why this got continued was I had specifically asked for the percentages of backyard versus curbside, and thank you for providing that. But I'd also asked for a more of a holistic kind of strategy for servicing the backyard as well. And I didn't get that, and I'm just wondering why. |
| 02:15:16.70 | Mayor Kelly | What is a holistic? |
| 02:15:18.07 | Councilmember Ford | Well, to include backyard service, I mean, you're doing this mandated fee across Sausalito for this new service, and yet, We've just seen 77% of the population and so you'd be able to get a I would imagine a large chunk of those customers can't participate won't be able to participate, and I know for a fact cannot participate in the current green waste service. So by holistic, I was asking for a complete solution so I could compare costs, you know, across the bar, you know, because I think it is important to look competitively at this. |
| 02:15:59.13 | Mayor Kelly | Before you answer that, let me make sure that we've got the question on the table 77% of the people in Sausalito |
| 02:16:04.26 | Councilmember Ford | So, |
| 02:16:07.97 | Mayor Kelly | get service to their property, correct? Which is, a euphemism is backyard service. Like for example, I live on a cul-de-sac with five houses. It's a private cul-de-sac. Then we go way downhill very fast in the street. So all of us roll our garbage cans out from our garages or our backyards or whatever, and you come up and pick them all up and we don't have to take them down to the street. And we take our recyclables to the street, but not those. What will change for me? That's my point. |
| 02:16:41.80 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | The service is going to essentially stay the same. You bring your green waste down or your compostables down and now we have to get used to the term. The compostables will come down the term. The recycling will continue coming out of the curve. |
| 02:16:50.02 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 02:16:53.57 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Right. the carts, the garbage service will stay the same as it is. And there is a thought that that doesn't quite promote the whole recycling |
| 02:17:03.98 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:04.05 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | thing but |
| 02:17:04.97 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:05.02 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | I think |
| 02:17:05.97 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | you |
| 02:17:06.04 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | you |
| 02:17:06.31 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | like this. |
| 02:17:06.68 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:06.69 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | it. |
| 02:17:06.86 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:06.88 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:07.03 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:07.05 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:07.20 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:07.22 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:07.24 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:07.27 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | and I'm not saying it. |
| 02:17:07.57 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Yes. |
| 02:17:07.91 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:17:07.94 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | but the change would be too much. But to change, to go back into the backyard for the compost would be beyond what this proposal is, and it would be like a doubling of the laborer, and the time involved would pick it up. I mean, the city of Piedmont, You explored a backyard called Carpey. |
| 02:17:29.97 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | program for their composting, and their rate right now is $54 a month. |
| 02:17:33.90 | Councilmember Ford | So I have a follow-up question, Mr. Mayor. So is it true when I look at this spread up here, I'm not seeing, I mean, and I'm looking at these different cities, it says green food, And I'm seeing yes, they offer it, and yes, a number of them offer backyard service. So that's only for the garbage. Do we know how many offer it for the green food? |
| 02:17:56.92 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Nobody, nobody. The city, San Jose, Marine Sanitary Service, their standard service is front yard service for everything. If you, they have to step five feet off that curve |
| 02:18:08.63 | Councilmember Ford | Well, they're not as vertical. OK, thank you. So OK, so thank you. I'm just getting clarity on this graph. |
| 02:18:08.66 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | but they're not as vertical. |
| 02:18:16.29 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | No. |
| 02:18:16.56 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Greg, for Marin Sanitary, how much do they charge to pick up off the curve, to pick up on product? |
| 02:18:21.47 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | All right. in the amount of $10. Thank you. |
| 02:18:23.88 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | So you'd have to add 10 to these numbers to get to the equivalent? |
| 02:18:26.97 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | For the first 50 fee. And then if there's an elevation change, there's a $10 fee. And then if there's another 50 fee, there's another $10 fee. And I think many other communities in San Francisco, for one, have that same. |
| 02:18:34.43 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | All right. |
| 02:18:38.55 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:18:38.65 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | So in effect, if you're in San Rafael, if you have your can up a flight of stairs more than 50 feet, you're paying $56.33 a can? |
| 02:18:49.67 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Yes. |
| 02:18:50.04 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 02:18:50.05 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 02:18:50.07 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Yes. Any more questions? |
| 02:18:54.97 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | So in effect, we're subsidizing backyard service here in Sausalito. |
| 02:19:00.20 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Yeah, exactly. We don't have, we have the, the biggest problem we have is going up the hill, right? Up, up, up, like the stairs and stuff. |
| 02:19:09.66 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | But at the same time, Believe it or not, there is a efficiency to it. You have paths that have been developed over the years, and people and neighbors and stuff are fine. They can service a number of homes and then come back down, and then the guys work the truck in front of each other. |
| 02:19:26.54 | Mayor Kelly | Right. All right, any more questions from the council? All right, seeing none, I'd like to thank you very much. But you might hang in there because there may be a question that we can't answer. You need to. So would any member of the public care to address this item? Peter Van Meter. |
| 02:19:45.03 | Peter Van Meter | Yes, thank you. Two questions. First of all, is the green trash pickup give you rollover credit? Because the clippings are a very seasonal kind of activity like in the current two-week program. I know personally I'll pass many weeks without anything, and then at one point have 15 brown bags of stuff. Second question is, what do you do about the rats? You put these out on the curb, they get tipped over, the animals eat them. How do you control that? |
| 02:20:20.83 | Mayor Kelly | Greg, Andy, somebody. |
| 02:20:23.47 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Um, The program takes into account for, you know, hopefully, people utilizing it in the weekly thing. We're trying to encourage by this program weekly. Hopefully everybody will have food scraps weekly. And the costs were broke down to a new man into the system, but yet utilizing the current labor. So it was taken into account. But the idea by going every week is to meet up with a health code as well as try to encourage weekly composting. |
| 02:20:33.87 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:20:54.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:54.24 | Mayor Kelly | Come on. |
| 02:20:55.59 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Which happens to be now including leaves and stuff |
| 02:20:59.49 | Mayor Kelly | So the answer is no, no cumulative. |
| 02:21:02.07 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | No, no, it's the, yeah, correct. But it was built into the increase though. It was taken into account. |
| 02:21:03.03 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Right. |
| 02:21:12.68 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | the uh... The rats, these containers are as good as they make in the industry, and if you have a problem with where the rodents are going now, they're going to have the same problem wherever it is. Hopefully these are more sanitary and they can help alleviate that problem. |
| 02:21:36.29 | Mayor Kelly | True, raccoons are the problem for me. |
| 02:21:38.79 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:21:38.80 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Well then Ann doesn't like you because you're making her life tough to call it on the sewer board if you're putting a lot down your guard's supposed to, right? |
| 02:21:42.13 | Mayor Kelly | You're getting a lot of time, your door is supposed to break. There's no easy answer. |
| 02:21:47.50 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | There's no easy answer. lay in the past, so |
| 02:21:50.11 | Mayor Kelly | All right. |
| 02:21:50.92 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I'm sorry. Thank you. |
| 02:21:53.22 | Pat Zuck | Pat Zuck. As usual, I agree with Peter Van Meter. Okay. If I choose two garbage cans now, I pay extra, right? So the fee that I'm paying is somewhat based on my usage. Currently. Um, The neighborhood I live in is a neighborhood where people do a lot of green waste, and they tend to do it, if not twice a month, once a month in bulk with help. And as I see it, I find this program A curtailment of service and an increase of fee, which I find somewhat offensive. I know people line up stuff along the green waste and what you're telling me is, I'm gonna get a gardener in there every week. to trim five bushes and come up with a compact green waste package every week rather than once a month or once every two weeks. in order to come in under the limitation here. Secondly, the notion that everybody is going to put a pail in their kitchen and collect food scraps and turn it over to Bay Cities is a little bit offensive to me. There are people who actually compost in town, and I had hoped that the composting program would be to encourage that. and rather than export it when you compost, are you going to be returning material to people who want it? Are you going to be selling it? Or what are you going to be disposing of it? How is it going to be dealt with? Yeah, I actually would. Thank you. |
| 02:23:36.08 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Um, We had envisioned having some compost giveaway days several years ago. We had that in Sausalito. We went back and get your green waste back. And so we will be getting some of that. And hopefully if there's no complaints from like MLK or wherever we set it before, have compost giveaway days where people can come back and get your food waste back, so to speak. So yes, that was one of the things we planned on doing, yes. |
| 02:23:55.02 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 02:23:55.05 | Unknown | to speak. |
| 02:23:55.95 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 02:23:55.98 | Unknown | So, um... |
| 02:23:56.33 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 02:23:56.45 | Unknown | Yeah. I'm going to go. |
| 02:23:58.72 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Thank you. |
| 02:23:58.92 | Unknown | Thank you. So yeah, check. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:24:02.04 | Andrew Davidson | as, I didn't highlight the program as it was presented at the last March 13th meeting. As part of that program, Bay Cities is planning on giving away I don't think the number's been established, but home composting kits to people who desire them. So the idea is to promote home composting as well. |
| 02:24:21.11 | Pat Zuck | I would fully support the home composting kit idea, but I don't think I'd like to pay an extra 10% a month. for that. I'd certainly pay a fee for the kit. But when I buy my food scraps and have scraps and want to compost it, I think I'd rather do it myself for my own use rather than pay to have it. I mean, you guys know me. How often do you think I'm going to come up with that much food scraps in my house? |
| 02:24:45.04 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | . Thanks. That has it cooked. |
| 02:24:49.93 | Pat Zuck | I don't cook. Anyway, I have some problems with this program. I think if you ask neighbors who use the green waste program as it stands now, you'll get a lot of pushback to that kind of limit on green waste once a week rather than the current program, which I think is quite satisfactory. |
| 02:24:49.95 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I don't cook. |
| 02:25:12.51 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Anybody else care to comment on this item? Vicki, then John. |
| 02:25:23.82 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, 117 Caledonia. I have a different view. I'm actually very excited that Sausalito is finally getting on board. Every other community has composting. Just quickly, in 2006, Marin County, or 2004, Marin County made the goal of zero waste. having 80% by 2012. I think they got to 77% in 2004. Well, that sounds like good news, what's really happened in this time as we've been recycling and doing more to avoid stuff in landfills, but we're also consuming more. So this is another way to close that loop It's beyond just a minor inconvenience. I have someone I work with in the city, and that is very complicated. I have to ask her now, what can do I dump this in? They're doing everything. But you know, they did an extensive education program, and they have like a little guide, and you can look at it every time you put something in what can. It takes you... |
| 02:26:27.77 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Watch out, because the guy who runs the programs is in the audience, so be careful. |
| 02:26:31.06 | Vicki Nichols | Well, I like the garbage people. I like the recycling. I think we, I live in a building with seven units, so I have no complaints at all. They've always helped. If we call up, we've got bins, you know, whatever, so I'm happy. But I think we're all going to have to start doing this. So we're either composting at home in our yards or we're going to do it this way. I was very concerned about rats and rodents, and I work with someone in Belvedere that's been doing this system, and I've not seen any animals. It's picked up weekly. So they have the raccoons. We have a bad raccoon issue in my yard. Put some bungee cords. I mean, we have to do this, I think. Thank you. |
| 02:27:13.43 | Mayor Kelly | All right, John? |
| 02:27:22.48 | John Farrell | John Farrell, I think this mandated program is really government run amuck a little bit. I... For people who want to do this, fine. Make it a user fee service. I and a couple of people I know who have gardens, take our stuff, compost our own stuff. So we're going to be, because if it's across the board a fee increase, we're going to be subsidizing all kinds of other people. I don't agree with that. I think that's wrong. Second point is whoever did their outreach on this, boy did they fail because I've learned about this yesterday. And it's going to hit a lot of people at 10% of 9.5. It's like going to the supermarket and buying some for $19.95. Thank you very much. But a lot of people, this is really going to hit them as a big surprise, and it's going to be resented. and Second point, third point is that, yeah, I think switching the green waste from once every two weeks to once a week, I mean, it is, as somebody said, a decrease in service and an increase in price. And finally, and this is a question of principle, do I understand correctly that the last chart up here said that the staff was recommending this program, the 10% increases and so forth. The staff should have no recommendation in this respect whatsoever. If you want recommendations, get them from the citizens. The staff collectively and individually are fine, but it's not their job to recommend this kind of thing for the community. that's out of line for them. They say if you want recommendations from people, have the staff spend their time and resources sending a questionnaire out saying, would you like this? This is what's been considered and so and so forth. But the staff itself, through respect to him. They shouldn't be recommending this. This is outside their purview. |
| 02:29:39.59 | Unknown | Thank you. you Thank you. Thank you. Wait a minute. |
| 02:29:40.70 | Mayor Kelly | Wait a minute. Let's let the public finish. Thank you. |
| 02:29:44.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:29:44.45 | Mayor Kelly | And... |
| 02:29:48.38 | Unknown | And are not. Is it? It's my understanding, I could be wrong, It's my understanding that the sustainability committee, which is residents, right, They're the people that did the study and made this recommendation. Am I correct in that? Correct. |
| 02:30:04.19 | Mayor Kelly | Correct. |
| 02:30:04.97 | Unknown | So You're just representing what they told you. Okay. Correct. Okay, that's why I'm asking the question. Wait, wait, wait, wait, That's why I'm asking the question. It's my understanding. This all came from the sustainability committee. Yes, correct. Okay. Let me ask another question because I'm not sure. Is this 9.5? nine point something percentage increase just covering the composting |
| 02:30:38.05 | Mayor Kelly | Andy, you want to answer that? |
| 02:30:40.83 | Andrew Davidson | No, there are two parts. Thank you. The larger part does cover the composting. Some $230,000, I can't say it, but $235,000 covers the composting program startup and operation. Then a smaller component of $22,500 covers a JPA fee, the Joint Powers Authority fee, that allows you to deposit your household hazardous waste at the Centerfield facility and also upgrades a BCRS truck with some new equipment that will make it available as a backup truck for Sausalito for their garbage service. |
| 02:30:53.81 | Unknown | I can't see. |
| 02:31:26.38 | Unknown | Sure. Thank you. whether you compost at home or you pick it up. Is the second part of that thing going to cost them anyway, whether one person composts or everybody composts? In other words, you said the second part is you've got to pay for the hazardous waste and all that other stuff. Is that sort of operation cost that you're going to have to pay anyway to, initiate this program. in this community. |
| 02:31:58.79 | Andrew Davidson | The smaller amount, the 22,500 is not related to the composting program. It's fees that VCRS is incurring now. |
| 02:32:11.38 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Greg, is that a new? |
| 02:32:19.06 | Mayor Kelly | Those are new fees, right? Those are new fees, right? Okay, anybody else in the public care to address any of these issues? Yes, sir. Come up. |
| 02:32:34.94 | Robert Haley | Good evening. I'm Robert Haley. I'm a resident of Sausalito. I'm also the Zero Waste Manager for San Francisco. I'm not going to say anything that you haven't heard before from me. I would urge you to approve the recommendations presented tonight. I think those are good first steps. But again, I'd like to see Sausalito go further. To me, I think the real issue, again, is this backyard service. That's a huge existing subsidy that really dwarfs this 9.5% we're talking about here, so we shouldn't lose sight Entitlement versus change for the good. If you really want to get a high diversion rate, I really believe you're going to have to provide a black trash cart and deal with the backyard service issue. Because having people bring most of their stuff down to the curb and then go deep into someone's backyard for the last little bit that's going to the landfill is not incentivizing the right behavior. It's not going to give you the kind of change that you want. So what I would propose, and I know this takes a lot of strong leadership because you're working against some kind of a super majority entitlement and against change, which is always challenging. But what I would urge is, first of all, As soon as possible, step up enforcement against people who are not paying for refuse service. Again, that could cover the 9.5% right there. And then secondly, If you roll this program out as it's been recommended, six months after rollout, take a look and see how much that's going to the landfill is still recyclable or compostable. I think you're going to be surprised at how high a rate it still is. and that might then give you some more ammunition to take the next steps in the program. And I think that the next juncture is during the next rate process. So I'd at least urge you to take these steps now and then take a couple more steps down the road. You know, that's how we make changes. It's kind of incremental. It's kind of an evolution. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:34:40.52 | Mayor Kelly | you |
| 02:34:40.81 | Robert Haley | Thank you. |
| 02:34:41.21 | Mayor Kelly | Alice. |
| 02:34:50.61 | Alice Merrill | Alice Member, resident of Sausalito. I just want to... |
| 02:34:51.07 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Remember? |
| 02:34:51.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:34:58.09 | Alice Merrill | I'm not hearing anybody talking about the composting in the sense of all of the All of the things, like the obvious one is pizza boxes. Right now, pizza boxes can't go into recycling because they have food on them. But in this system, pizza boxes go in and all of that kind of paper plates that have food on them, things that have food on them that you couldn't ever put in recycling will now be recycled. And that's a lot more. than your carrot skins or even your chicken wing bones. You know, I mean, it's bigger than that. And I haven't heard that mentioned tonight, so I just want to say it because that's another part of it. And this, we need to do this. |
| 02:35:52.31 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Greg, do you want to comment on that? Thank you. on the pizza box and stuff? |
| 02:35:56.48 | Mayor Kelly | boxes. |
| 02:35:56.86 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 02:35:56.97 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:35:57.64 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I thought they were, I recycled mine. |
| 02:35:59.02 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | I'm not going to be like cleaning. |
| 02:35:59.50 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | So. |
| 02:36:00.22 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Oh. |
| 02:36:00.29 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 02:36:00.61 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:36:00.64 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 02:36:00.95 | Mayor Kelly | and |
| 02:36:01.12 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I'm sorry. |
| 02:36:01.81 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | It's good. Yeah, that's what the whole program is. I mean, you guys have had a couple hearings about this. I was an attendant, the first one, the sustainability commission did all the legwork on this, working with city staff. They investigated what all the other communities were doing and yes. milk cartons, pizza boxes, soil wrappings that normally wouldn't go into the recycling because they're dirty would now be considered compostable. it. |
| 02:36:30.31 | Mayor Kelly | Mr. Gerges. |
| 02:36:45.78 | Unknown | rigorous 60 Woodrow Avenue, but also I happen to be the chairman of the esteemed Sustainability Commission. Yes, indeed. And only residents in the city of Sausalito can be a member of that commission. Those members have been working on this for, as was stated earlier, about two years. And the commission has thoroughly endorsed what you've seen tonight. I'd like to make a couple more comments regarding comments that I've heard tonight. And one of them concerned the looks of when the containers are at the curbside. But it really isn't any worse than what we have now, except now it's every two weeks. And under this program, it would be every week. But I think it would be an improvement over what we have now in looks because now, A given resident can have an unlimited number of containers along that curbside, and I myself have had up to 15 to 20 during the middle of the summer at one time. just strewn along the curb. Uh. That will be an improvement in looks, really. Oh. Secondly, If this truly represents government going amok, We're simply following an example of all the other communities in Marin County. And keep in mind that in the city of San Francisco It is mandatory that you do recycling. And if you don't recycle, I'm pretty sure there is some kind of penalty. |
| 02:38:29.40 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 02:38:29.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:29.50 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 02:38:30.36 | Unknown | Yes, there is a penalty. So my third comment is, Peter Van Meter said that he currently uses a garbage disposal And I would say, as a representative of the Sanitary District, I would implore you to minimize the use of that garbage disposal. |
| 02:38:48.09 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | of this. |
| 02:38:49.46 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. . So it releases the load at our treatment plant. |
| 02:38:56.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:56.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:57.04 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you Certainly. |
| 02:39:04.04 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | as well. |
| 02:39:07.85 | Peter Van Meter | I just want to say where I have a property at Lake Tahoe, the collectors do keep a running tally of your containers, and you do get a rollover credit if you have an empty container in a pickup period. You could in theory have two containers the next pickup period. So if these collectors can just keep track of the green containers, and if you miss it one week, let you put out two the next week, that would be great. |
| 02:39:34.15 | Unknown | You might as well. |
| 02:39:35.08 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | MOTIVATED. |
| 02:39:35.14 | Greg Christie or Greg Smith | Might as well. look We're trying to set up a program that encouraged weekly composting. Okay, you know, there's instances now where you go down the street and everybody has their stuff out and it's not a green waste week. And then you come by the green waste week and there's six cans instead of the two that were out there before. So if we were actually on a weekly program, that wouldn't be an issue. We're not looking to make a lot of money off of the extra charge. The extra charge would be more considered maybe a penalty, but that's not even what it was set up for. We're trying to encourage weekly. usage and you'll have essentially four cans. This one's equivalent. If you choose this one, you'll get four cans of this and an additional bundle. That's what we're looking at. Most people won't take that. We understand that, but we're willing to be very lenient on this. And I stress this with the committee when this came up, that we're looking more at people that or only doing it once a month or once every two months or something like that. We just want to try to encourage the regular program. And if it's a cumulative or however you want to get credit or whatever, I mean, yes, that would come into play because you're not going to go out there just getting somebody just to try to charge extra. That's not the point of the program. The point of the program is to get more food waste and get it out of the landfill into the compost. |
| 02:40:58.39 | Mayor Kelly | Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Right. |
| 02:41:09.47 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 02:41:12.73 | Adam Krivach | Good evening, Adam Krivacsi, 840 Olima Street. I listened to these numbers in amazement. We just learned that Sosolito has fewer households than how many households produce garbage. The census statistics have, I think, about 200 fewer households in them than these numbers. and the average household has less than two people living in it. And all these huge cans, who fills these cans with with garbage. I don't know. So, In our household there are only two people plus a dog and we put out our garbage can only every second week because we won't fill it up and it seals well, so we have no rodents, no problem. So I don't know. What we are preparing for with this enormous cast that will stand in front of every household with 1.7 people living in each household. |
| 02:42:32.55 | Mayor Kelly | You're not consuming enough, Adam. Hehehehe. All right, anyone else care? Ann? Okay. We gotta wanna move along here. |
| 02:42:42.71 | Unknown | Two comments. One, I'm for this increase. Secondly, The landfill, we don't have that many landfills because I'm on the sanitary board too. And I will tell you that that's the question that comes up before all the sanitary districts. do they take their solids? And there are trucks coming to Redwood landfill from a long, long way away because there aren't any places that can do that. to cut down the landfill. any way we can. |
| 02:43:11.83 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. Great. Thank you. All right. I'm going to close public comment and bring it up here. Hopefully keep our comments to a bare minimum so we can move on to these other three items we have. So. |
| 02:43:24.58 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Well, I support composting personally. I've spent over $100 on two different compost bins in my backyard, but I haven't been too successful. The earthworms escaped. But I haven't given up. I'm going to try it again. But I have an issue with this program. I received a lot of feedback from the community via emails and inquiries. A lot of requests around rollover credits, the fact that we have small households and people are forced to pay for a 32-gallon can. a month but don't often fill it. the fact that the uh, The service doesn't include a strategy for backyard service, although we are charging everyone for it. So in effect, everyone's being charged for a service that not everyone may be able to participate. I don't see it as a super majority entitlement when you're 77 and you've got 51 steps going up to your house. You know, I know it's hard for the waste service folks, but it's equally hard on the resident. And I also feel that if we're going to go this route, that we should look at competitive bidding. We should look at, across the board, what the the opportunities would be out there. I mean, I think Bay City Refuse provides excellent service. I like Bay City's Refuse very much, and they're great, but I think that what we're proposing here, there's going to be a lot of resistance out there, and I think we need to look at the fact that we're in a recession, and people are hurting, and those are my thoughts. |
| 02:45:20.74 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Hey, Brias. |
| 02:45:25.11 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, I think it's not a perfect system, but we don't have a perfect system right now. Some people are subsidizing the green waste as we know it right now. Not everyone puts out green waste. But I think it's a program that we need to support. We need to recycle as much as we can. And I also believe the Sustainability Committee has done a great job. They've been working on this for a long time. And I have heard tonight that Bay Services will help us get smaller containers. And so that's good. and will help the older people if they need help getting those up and down the street. up and down the stairs. So I don't see that we'll have a lot of these lined up day after day after day on the streets. So, That being said, I think we should move forward with this, and I move that we implement the composting program as laid out by city staff tonight. |
| 02:46:54.36 | Councilmember Weiner | My comment is that we might have 1.7 people per household, but if you really look on a day that they pick up the green, this is a city that doesn't lack green, that's for sure. |
| 02:46:59.73 | Unknown | So... |
| 02:47:08.86 | Councilmember Weiner | All right, if you really look on the streets when they pick it up, On my street, 4th Street, there's always four or five bags, sometimes more, every two weeks very easily. You know, we all on 4th Street, most of us have yards or small yards, but still nonetheless I think this is the first step on a program that will hopefully put us kind of up in the forefront. |
| 02:47:41.46 | Mayor Kelly | Sure. you Thank you. |
| 02:47:42.10 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | This is just the way of the world now. And yes, we have to move forward and change is always not so much fun to embrace sometimes. But we like to view ourselves as a responsible community and actually we lag behind in a lot of areas than the rest of Marin and certainly San Francisco, and this is Juan. for certain and that's why the good folks in the Waste and Recycling are now the Sustainability Commission. I'm still thinking about my time on that many years ago. You know, we've been pushing this and that's the way these committees are supposed to work and they're doing a great job at doing that. As far as there are subsidies in any public program, you're always cross-subsidizing somebody else because not everyone is you. |
| 02:48:18.67 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:48:32.27 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | We all have different characteristics of how much I generate. My kids generate a fair amount of food waste, which now I'm glad to have an outlet for that. I don't put it down at the garbage disposal because it's one of the few things that actually decomposes. But that's great to have an outlet for it. So I have more than 1.7, but I can tell you I don't have that many garbage cans, because we recycle, we have about a ton of stuff that gets recycled, because we're very good about that. |
| 02:49:00.69 | Unknown | Hello. |
| 02:49:04.66 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | But not everyone is me. And I've heard the same thing, knocking on doors over the years. years I live by myself or I live in an apartment building I don't need a can, I don't want to pay 30 bucks a month. for a big can because I just don't generate that much waste. Well, that's between you and your landlord, and you should sort that out with him sometimes as a way to try to maybe make it more equitable. But I think there are a lot of things we're going to have to tweak over time. And the size of the cans and what you do for multi-unit buildings and do we need to separate the backyard service and adds as a surcharge. The city used to trim your trees for free. We don't do that anymore. We can't afford to do that anymore. So the world is changing. You can't expect to have the same services all the time at the same cost. That's just unrealistic. Um, Is it a pain in the neck for some? It will be a pain. Hopefully we can find a way for the people who it's a pain literally to haul this up and down, a way to accommodate them. And I know Bay Cities does a great job working with folks who have problems just whether it's age or physical disabilities and getting their stuff out there already. As far as the competitive bid, we're already in a contract with Bay Cities. That contract has a long term to it. We don't have the flexibility to do that, nor do I see the reason to do that, given we just looked at the fees for other communities and for the similar service, they're much more expensive. So the only other... big player in Moran is the Gabarinos. It's a monopoly. So we're lucky to not be hooked up into a monopoly, frankly. That'll probably cost me some problems in the marine community since they're very active politically. But I think we actually have an option, and this option is making it more competitive here at Sausliya. |
| 02:50:38.04 | Mayor Kelly | Uh, |
| 02:50:46.58 | Mayor Kelly | All right. I think I heard the motion from Councilmember Ford, which was to amend the Solid Waste Franchise Agreement with Bay City's Refuse Service, expanding service to include weekly curbside green waste and food scrap recycling and modifying the service rates. I'll second that. |
| 02:51:01.75 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 02:51:01.79 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | for you. |
| 02:51:01.84 | Jeremy | Oh, thank you. |
| 02:51:02.88 | Mayor Kelly | You stole my thunder. Okay. I want to say that I'm a big supporter of composting. I do my San Francisco thing in the daytime. I want to come to Saucelieu and do my Saucelieu thing. And I have long been concerned about the amount of stuff that goes down my garbage disposal, not to mention everybody else's, and ends up in the sewer, which doesn't need any more. It needs less. So I think this is absolutely the right way to move. And the rates are competitive and low, and these guys do a terrific job of making it happen. I can't wait to not see all the crap at the bottom of my driveway that people run over and spread it all over the street. It's going to be great to see the boxes out there. With that being said, I'll call for the vote. All in favor? |
| 02:51:47.62 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Bye. |
| 02:51:48.31 | Mayor Kelly | Well, let's go by person. Call the roll, Debbie, please. |
| 02:51:54.74 | Debbie | Councilmember Pfeiffer. |
| 02:51:56.06 | Councilmember Ford | No. |
| 02:51:58.47 | Debbie | Council Member Ford. |
| 02:51:59.60 | Councilmember Ford | Yes. |
| 02:52:01.30 | Debbie | Council member Weiner. Thank you. |
| 02:52:02.54 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:52:02.57 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah. |
| 02:52:02.65 | Councilmember Ford | Yes. |
| 02:52:04.78 | Debbie | by Samir Leon. |
| 02:52:06.52 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:52:06.53 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. |
| 02:52:07.41 | Debbie | Mayor Kelly. |
| 02:52:08.69 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. And that's for Mark Prado. Thank you. Thank you. Ask him to listen to the whole tape next time. All right. All right. We're moving right along to the next item. Thank you, guys. |
| 02:52:13.56 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. Ask him to listen to the whole tape next time. All right. |
| 02:52:24.37 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. Thank you. Sustainability. Yes. |
| 02:52:25.72 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Sustainability. Yes. |
| 02:52:27.93 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 02:52:31.31 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, can we take three minutes? No more, no less? |
| 02:52:31.97 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Hey. |
| 02:52:39.68 | Mayor Kelly | 973. An exemption from CEQA, the approval of park use, or special events. Please... Please close that door. Thank you. The exempt from CEQA the approval of a park use or special events permitted to a limited duration only. All right, Mike Langford. |
| 02:53:02.27 | Unknown | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Council. I'll give you a little bit of background. We'll start at the beginning here. Back in 1970, the California Environmental Quality Act, otherwise known as CEQA, was passed to help protect California's diverse environmental resources. Then stepping all the way up to December 2011, a group called the Coastal Environmental Rights Foundation filed a complaint in the Superior Court of the State of California against the City of San Diego. This was in regards to the City of San Diego's fireworks show over San Diego Bay. |
| 02:53:42.32 | Unknown | In May of 2011, the court ruled that temporary special events and park use permits issued by the City of San Diego had discretionary processes and that discretionary processes would make the City of San Diego's permitting process subject to CEQA. This ruling could make similar temporary special events held throughout California subject to CEQA as well. If these events are subject to CEQA, any special event. A permit would need to be filed at least 120 days in advance. Some events would require much additional lead time. Review fees for any event could be in the thousands of dollars Environmental review would need to be done, often at an additional substantial cost, and the entire process is appealable, leaving the applicant responsible for potential legal fees. Now, in order to protect the events that municipalities within the state of California put on. California State Senator Vargas has introduced Senate Bill 973, which would exempt from CEQA the approval of a park use or special event permit for a limited duration event, as defined, for special purposes that is located on public property, within a public right of way, or within a defined event venue. Because the lead agency would be required to determine whether a project falls within this exemption, this bill would impose a state mandated local program. So what are we saying with all of this? We did CEQA back in the 70s. There's a group suing San Diego saying that any special event falls under CEQA. If this gets upheld in the courts, any event we do will be subject to CEQA. Jazz and Blues by the Bay, Easter Egg Hunt, Fourth of July Parade, your bounce house in the park. there's going to be, we're going to shut down special events large and small. So Senator Vargas has put together this bill to exempt special events. from CEQA. Now on March 27th we brought this item to you as a consent item on the council agenda. I was pulled by Councilmember Pfeiffer with the request for additional information and so I attached that in the staff report that you have as attachment A. Basically what that was is the California, let's see the coastal. Coastal Environmental Rights Foundation's arguments on why events should be subject to CEQA. What I'm asking the council to do today is adopt a Resolution in support of Senate Bill 973. Now again, this is happening in San Diego. But as one of our recent council meetings, it was brought up, why are we dealing with things at the state level? This is not the state level. This is here. This is, Sausalito is known for its events, whether it's an America's Cup, a party, a restaurant opening, a bounce house rental. We love our events and passing this would go one step further and helping the Senate bill pass so that we can save our events here in Sausalito. |
| 02:57:01.63 | Mayor Kelly | Is there any serious opposition to this bill? |
| 02:57:04.75 | Unknown | There are some environmental groups, mainly this environmental group that are concerned about it. Again it was brought up because of fireworks shows. They were concerned about the impact that the shows have on the beach, the noise with the birds. other issues that come with fireworks. But the problem is that this doesn't just talk about fireworks shows, which right now we have two of in Sausalito and they're great events here. This ruling would be every event, big or small. |
| 02:57:36.02 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Right. All right, any questions of Mike? |
| 02:57:41.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, are the, are other cities supporting this and does it have the support of the League of Cities in California? |
| 02:57:51.63 | Unknown | I became aware of this bill actually through the a Bay Cities Council, League of Bay Cities. |
| 02:58:01.85 | Pat Zuck | Thank you. |
| 02:58:01.89 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | the Bay Cities. |
| 02:58:03.07 | Unknown | They brought it forward. I contacted CPRS, which is the California Parks and Recreation Society, and they have been advocating for this. And there are other park and recreation agencies that are going to their city council, just like I'm here before you, asking for their support. I do not know about the League of California Cities. |
| 02:58:03.12 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 02:58:08.64 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:58:17.68 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | or something. Thank you. |
| 02:58:20.69 | Councilmember Ford | Okay, thank you. Mr. Mayor? |
| 02:58:23.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:58:23.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:58:24.13 | Pat Zuck | I'm here. |
| 02:58:24.33 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:58:25.26 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you Mike for the presentation. So I pulled this at the last City Council meeting because actually I I wanted, the staff report focused on all of the pros as the reasons why we should endorse it, but didn't provide the cons, the other side of the argument. And so, Staff has provided the originating lawsuit from San Diego with the Coastal Commission But to me, I wanted to get the actual arguments of who was for it and who was against it. And so I contacted the Sierra Club and they provided me kind of a different perspective on it because they Opposed SB 973 so I want to read this to you and if you could comment on this is this okay? This is my question is I'd like to read this and then I And I just got this driving over here on my email. I mean, just before I drove over. |
| 02:59:26.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:29.79 | Unknown | I drove over. Rita. I know. |
| 02:59:32.12 | Councilmember Ford | It's late. I'm sorry. SB 973 is generally redundant legislation because the CEQA guidelines already lay out a CEQA exemption that exists for minor temporary use of land having negligible or no permanent effects on the environment. Thus, the majority of situations listed in SB 973, like youth tournaments and racing events and holiday celebrations and concerts and job fairs, et cetera, would not fall under the CEQA process. And I talked to this Sierra Club on the phone about to clarify this because I said, We're under the impression that our fireworks, our Easter egg house |
| 03:00:19.15 | Mayor Kelly | Well, you can ask the question and then you can make the comment. |
| 03:00:20.77 | Councilmember Ford | Well, what is your comment on that? I'm sorry, Mike. |
| 03:00:23.96 | Unknown | Well, the California Superior Court has said here that |
| 03:00:32.95 | Unknown | The action required to comply with the California Environmental Quality Act prior to issuing any park use permit or any other permit issued to San Diego Municipal Code, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So they're saying that there are things called ministerial and I'm not fully apprised of all the CEQA because I don't deal with that too much. Thank you. But there's so many little things in CEQA that can trigger something. And just like I said, if we do an event in Dunphy Park, we know that the birds are going to be upset. And so that's something that can trigger CEQA. |
| 03:01:11.12 | Mary Wagner | Can I jump in there too, Mr. Mayor, if you don't mind? Yes, please. And the ministerial versus discretionary permit is a big issue for CEQA. CEQA doesn't apply to ministerial acts, but it does apply to discretionary acts or projects as they're defined under CEQA. |
| 03:01:13.34 | Unknown | Yes, please. |
| 03:01:26.45 | Mary Wagner | The concern is that if this case stands and it has precedential value and will be used as a trigger by a lot of agencies to challenge |
| 03:01:29.06 | Mayor Kelly | It is. |
| 03:01:29.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:01:36.44 | Mary Wagner | events that they either want to slow down or try and defeat. |
| 03:01:38.34 | Unknown | the one that |
| 03:01:44.25 | Mary Wagner | and that that's, |
| 03:01:44.30 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 03:01:46.33 | Mary Wagner | I believe one of the triggers for the legislation. I also have looked on the League's website and I believe that they submitted an amicus in the case and I believe they also are asking agencies to support. I haven't been able to find the link but I do believe that the League is asking cities to support and send letters in support of the bill. |
| 03:02:06.27 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Okay. Any other questions? All right, thank you, Mike. Anybody from the public want to comment on this? |
| 03:02:23.03 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, I'm wondering what the, how extensive this exception is. I can't imagine that you would have no, this seems to me that this is a blanket review with no opportunity to offer CEQA there's ways now to look at something and do a NEG deck we do this all the time It doesn't necessarily trigger all this major stuff like a whole scoping thing for a formal EIR. But say this is supported, then what opportunity do we have to legitimately, not obstructionously, but legitimately look at the impact on our eelgrass or other natural resources or a horrific traffic situation. in town for the community. This is the way I'm seeing this is a blanket Just you can't use CEQA at all. And that to me is too... much the other way, too prohibitive or too Permissive, yeah. And as I think, I'm not affiliated with the Sierra Club, but I am affiliated with several other environmental organizations. I would agree that there's some provisions of CEQA that can take care of this already that aren't onerous. Supporting this is just like, oh, we don't need SQL at all. It's a free-for-all. I haven't read it though, so that's not fair. I don't know the exact... I don't think it says that if you read it. I don't know the exact language. |
| 03:03:54.07 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. You still have an enabling agency. The local agency can kick it into sequence. |
| 03:04:01.41 | Vicki Nichols | Yeah, but what does that? I mean, what's the trigger? |
| 03:04:02.74 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:04:03.81 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, may I respond to that as well? Sure, please. So whenever you have an exemption under CEQA, it only applies to the extent there's not an impact. So if you look at a project and there's an impact, even if there's a categorical exemption for that particular type of project, like a minor, |
| 03:04:05.29 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:04:05.33 | Mayor Kelly | Sure. |
| 03:04:05.68 | Vicki Nichols | Yeah. Right. |
| 03:04:20.50 | Mary Wagner | addition to an existing structure. If you can say, for example, the mission blue butterfly happens to be in the construction zone. you wouldn't be able to utilize that exemption if you can see that there is gonna be an impact an environmental impact so that The exemptions apply, there's a presumption that There's not. an impact for these types of projects. To the extent that there is an actual impact, then you go through a CEQA analysis. What you do is you post a notice of exemption. So often you'll see in our resolutions for projects that they'll, for example, rentals at MLK, we always have |
| 03:04:53.74 | Unknown | that's what we're doing. |
| 03:04:57.86 | Mary Wagner | unless there's something specific about a particular use that generated environmental impact There's an exception under CEQA for that. There's an exception under CEQA for financial arrangements because it can be seen that there's not going to be an impact. what they're saying is this is that type of event. So if you have an event, that is going to impact eelgrass, which is a habitat for herring, which is food for an endangered fish, then you may have to do some mitigated neg-dec or some type of a review. |
| 03:05:23.74 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:05:25.70 | Mary Wagner | But what they're trying to create is another category of an exemption for a particular type of project that typically doesn't have an impact on the environment and the cost to go through a SQL analysis, both from a time perspective and a dollar amount perspective is great to see. |
| 03:05:45.07 | Vicki Nichols | And how does the event get placed in that category? By the staff, the city staff that's reviewing it? |
| 03:05:51.72 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 03:05:51.76 | Vicki Nichols | Yes. Okay. |
| 03:05:53.38 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:05:53.68 | Mary Wagner | The planning department does it all the time. |
| 03:05:56.67 | Mayor Kelly | And this is very specific as to what is a limited duration event. It defines them. It says they have to be less than 48 hours in duration. They can't, you can't move earth or erect or demolish and so on. So I don't think it's at all open-ended. That's my view. Anyway, any other comments from the public? Okay, seeing none, I'll bring it up here. Hopefully we can dispatch this quickly. |
| 03:06:24.95 | Councilmember Ford | you |
| 03:06:28.98 | Councilmember Ford | Mr. Mayor, I'd like to comment. Yeah, I just am very concerned about me personally endorsing this. And my conversations with the Sierra Club, You mentioned, Mary Kelly, that it refers to The duration's less than 48 hours. but I have here from the Sierra Club, they said that SB 973 goes overbroad in that it applies to all park use or special event permits regardless of the size or extent of the event. You know, in the call that I had with the Sierra Club and what I've just shared earlier in this, the feeling, well actually point blank I was told that it's the Sierra Club's opinion that it undermines CEQA and that it does not impact things like the local events that we have in town. And so, You know, on this, I am leaning towards going with the Sierra Club on this. |
| 03:07:33.28 | Mayor Kelly | Any other comments? I'll move that we approve... Let me re-approve. I've got to get there. Thank you. Thank you. Staff recommend that the council adopt a resolution in support of Senate Bill 973, and I move that we support this resolution attached in support of this bill. Do you have a second? |
| 03:07:59.38 | Councilmember Weiner | Yes, I'll second it. |
| 03:08:00.95 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, I call the roll. |
| 03:08:02.44 | Adam Krivach | Thank you. |
| 03:08:04.80 | Debbie | Council member Pfeiffer. |
| 03:08:06.10 | Adam Krivach | Thank you. |
| 03:08:06.20 | Heather Richard | Bye. |
| 03:08:06.32 | Adam Krivach | you |
| 03:08:08.16 | Debbie | Council member Ford. |
| 03:08:09.29 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 03:08:10.59 | Debbie | Councilmember Weiner? Vice Mayor Leone. |
| 03:08:15.04 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Yeah, I'm just going to abstain here. I think we should stay out of this stuff and go through Huffman and Leno as far as the Senate bills go. |
| 03:08:22.92 | Debbie | How was the Pan Am state? |
| 03:08:24.09 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | to his. |
| 03:08:24.75 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:08:26.72 | Debbie | And Mayor Kelly. Thank you. |
| 03:08:29.79 | Jeremy | Yes. |
| 03:08:32.39 | Mayor Kelly | All right, moving on to item F, which is receive and file update from Community Development Department, Jeremy Graves. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. |
| 03:08:58.09 | Jeremy | Mayor, members of council, I have for you tonight our periodic progress report on the activities of the community development department and the various committees and boards that we support. And I'll be making the majority portion of this staff report, and then I'll be handing it off to Lillie Shinsing, who will be doing the heavy lifting at the tail end of the report. |
| 03:09:32.26 | Matt Cunn | That's it. |
| 03:09:32.87 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | That's it. |
| 03:09:33.97 | Councilmember Weiner | Yep. |
| 03:09:34.03 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | up. Thank you. |
| 03:09:34.64 | Matt Cunn | Thank you. |
| 03:09:34.66 | Jeremy | you |
| 03:09:34.73 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Yeah. |
| 03:09:34.96 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I'm sorry. |
| 03:09:35.03 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | That's what it is. |
| 03:09:35.42 | Councilmember Weiner | Ha ha ha. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:09:37.70 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | See what happens? |
| 03:09:38.52 | Councilmember Weiner | you |
| 03:09:38.59 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | You talk slow. I guess you haven't been very busy, so let's just move on. |
| 03:09:38.64 | Councilmember Weiner | I guess slow. |
| 03:09:44.97 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | All right. |
| 03:09:49.56 | Jeremy | So I believe the council is familiar with the various boards and commissions that the Community Development Department supports. We support four standing commissions as well as two ad hoc committees. The highlights that we have various divisions and staff have been involved in the past year. The housing element update, Lily will be giving an overview of that with regard to the historic design guidelines. The work of the staff has been involved in this. We prepared and worked with the consultant preparing the public review of the draft historic design guidelines. We also prepared the environmental review document on that. And then another action we had was preparing the zoning ordinance amendment which ensured that projects are consistent with the historic design review guidelines. And then |
| 03:10:09.17 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Amen. |
| 03:10:50.27 | Jeremy | And then, of course, the historic design guidelines were approved by the city council in the fall last year. With regard to the Plaza Vida and Del Mar accessibility improvements, the historic resource evaluation report has been prepared, and the next step on this is the engineering division is in the process of preparing the arranging for the plans for the Plaza Vida and Del Mar accessibility improvements. As soon as those plans have been prepared, then the Historic Landmarks Board and the Planning Commission will initiate public hearings on the design review permit for the Plaza Vita Del Mar accessibility improvements. and then the planning commission and the historic landmark board have the authority to approve the design review permit. It would of course come up to the city council if a decision of the HLB or the planning commission is appealed. Next on the veterans administration machine shop, A historic evaluation report was prepared for that also. The Veterans Administration has indicated that they are seeking additional funding for protection or restoration of the building itself. They have not notified us that they've received that funding yet, only that they were seeking that funding. And if they get that funding, of course, the staff will be monitoring the work that they're monitoring their, any revised plans. that come forward, but the next step, the time frame for that is in the Veterans Administration's Court, not the city's court. On the inventory of the Marineship Historic Buildings, the council received that inventory last year, and forms for the various buildings that were identified in that were forwarded to the State Office of Historic Preservation there, the depository up in Roanert Park so that future property owners and developers in that area are on notice of the significance of those historic buildings in the Marin trip. On the certified local government, the staff worked with the Historic Landmarks Board in preparing the application. Of course, we were acknowledged as a certified local government by the state historic preservation officer over the summer. On the local historical register, the Historic Landmarks Board is reviewing our noteworthy structures list to identify buildings which may be eligible for the Historic Register. If such buildings which are identified, the Historic Landmarks Board would be initiating public hearings to landmark those structures essentially, which is essentially putting them on the Historic Register. That takes |
| 03:13:41.14 | Unknown | it's a very good thing. |
| 03:13:41.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:13:56.88 | Jeremy | public hearings by the Historic Landmarks Board, the Planning Commission, and ultimately the City Council. Also within the past year, we had the minor omnibus muni code amendments that went into, that the council approved in February and went into effect late last month. And I believe staff distributed the replacement pages to the council. more people than one could imagine for updates to the zoning ordinance pages. |
| 03:14:26.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:14:26.75 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I'm sorry. |
| 03:14:26.76 | Unknown | or, you know, |
| 03:14:29.50 | Jeremy | And then the America's Cup, you've got a report on that earlier in our meeting tonight. Oops, wrong button. |
| 03:14:33.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:14:33.35 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | But... |
| 03:14:33.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:14:40.30 | Jeremy | Debbie, could you help me out here? I need an escape button. Thank you. |
| 03:14:47.66 | Jeremy | On our building division highlights, we have initiated the analysis of the 2010 building codes and green building codes. And the next step is to prepare a draft ordinance which will be coming to the council. This is a priority calendar item. We've also received four days of accessibility training which was organized by the Department of Public Works and very well attended. The accessibility training was focused on, from the building division's perspective, focused on local restaurants and local businesses to ensure that when they come in for building permits that our building staff are aware of how to do the field reviews to ensure that those businesses are in compliance with items that are shown on the building plans and to also give the building inspection staff heads up on what items they need to look out for in their field inspections. We've also spent a significant amount of time investigating |
| 03:14:53.07 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:15:32.83 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | ... |
| 03:15:54.94 | Jeremy | Accessibility complaints. We have received over 40 accessibility complaints in the last year and a half. We've updated our counter brochures and we regularly discuss actions to improve our building processing procedures at our weekly staff meetings. Our public service highlights, we have a competent and qualified building and planning staff. We place an emphasis on communication. via the community interactions, public notices, staff reports. We issue a variety of licenses at the community development counter, and we also provide public assistance and research for a number of different issues that come into the front counter. Now we'll be going over some summary of the actions for our various committees that we support. We have over 22 meetings by the Planning Commission. We've approved 26 development review permits. This is twice as many as we had last year. You see the distribution here. We also had twice as many conditional use permits. Our zoning ordinance text amendments, we had two projects. One of those, well, I mentioned both of those. That was the omnibus, which involved over 50 different text amendments within the zoning ordinance and municipal code, and then also the zoning ordinance amendment for the historic design guidelines. One thing I wanted to mention at the bottom is the standards for single-family dwellings and multifamily zoning districts. We have a subcommittee of the Planning Commission that has been meeting periodically with real estate agents and with local architects to hold those draft standards. that work by the subcommittee right now is set on hold while those members of the planning commission are involved in our accessory dwelling unit working group. our Historic Landmarks Board. It's been working on a number of projects. We have the seven commercial projects that we've listed here as well as six remodel projects. The Historic Landmarks Board was heavily involved in the historic design guidelines, which has been very well received. And then as I mentioned, the Historic Landmarks Board had heavy input on achieving our certified local government for historic preservation. Our Trees and Views Committee had 12 meetings. They held a community workshop in the fall on Sudden Oak Death Syndrome and have made recommendations on the replacement trees for Bank of America Plaza. They are also beginning to work on preparing the enforcement procedures for removal of trees without a permit. We do have one vacancy on the Trees and Views Committee with our chair taking a position out of the area. So we have a vacancy. We need to try to encourage the council to work hard on getting us another well-qualified member. 14 tree removal alteration permits and one view claim. Our Business Advisory Committee held |
| 03:19:18.74 | Adam Krivach | Thank you. |
| 03:19:29.87 | Jeremy | 26 meetings, no, 26 meetings. No, let me, I think that was closer to 12 meetings. That was the 26 meetings. It was a different committee. And they reviewed the Community and Economic Development Study prepared by Dr. Rob Beiler with the Marine Economic Forum. That study was jointly funded by the city as well as the Chamber of Commerce. And the business advisory committee had extensive reach out on that with a community survey with postcards to all mailing addresses in Sausalito inviting residents or businesses to fill out an online survey. That study also went through an extensive public review and comment period. And eventually this document was approved by the city council at the beginning of this year. The Business Advisory Committee also reviewed and approved the Sausalito, excuse me, the short-term business needs study which was prepared on a voluntary basis by three members of the Business Advisory Committee. The Business Advisory Committee also reviewed and approved the Sausalito Business Startup Guide. This was a document that had, we had free design services by Butler Shine, Stern Advertising Agency in the Marin ship. And then the Business Advisory Committee has also been discussing options for local actions on the America's Cup race. Moving over to our Housing Element Task Force, had 19 meetings, two community workshops, which were very well attended, a public tour with a mini bus on a Saturday, reviewing candidate sites. The task force has reviewed chapters of the housing element as well as a menu of options, eventually culminating in selection of a strategy for achieving our regional housing allocation, or excuse me, regional housing assessment, our ARENA strategy, which you'll hear more about later in Lily's presentation. And the Housing Element Task Force also reviewed the draft housing element and forwarded recommendations on that, both to the Planning Commission and to the City Council, our housing element. Thank you. the draft housing element and forwarded recommendations on that, both to the Planning Commission and to the City Council, our housing element, so that you know what it looks like. And that, of course, was forwarded to the State Department of Housing and Community Development at the beginning of February. |
| 03:22:04.67 | Unknown | at the beginning. of |
| 03:22:08.67 | Jeremy | The upcoming priorities we have in the planning division is the housing element, the historic preservation regulations. We will be releasing a request for proposals to consultants in the coming weeks. Those will be regulations to revise. how our regulations are composed right now in the municipal code and the zoning ordinance there in a variety of different locations. They are ambiguous at times, may have the appearance at times of being conflicting and can be simplified without losing any value so that they are easier for the public, for building owners, for decision makers, and for the staff to use. We will also be seeking grant funding from the Thank you. Thank you. the State Office of Historic Preservation via our new certified local government status. The program that we are looking at is requesting Thank you. grant funding to fund the nomination of our downtown historic district to the National Register. We are going to be submitting our grant application in the coming days to the state's Office of Historic Preservation. on another variant of our ongoing omnibus municipal ordinance update program, we will be initiating our policy provisions of that. Those are the more controversial, the higher hanging fruit, if you will. We've already taken the lower hanging fruit, and we are working with the legislative committee on getting direction on that. And as soon as we get direction from the legislative committee on the various elements of that, then we'll be initiating public hearings at the planning commission, which will eventually culminate in public hearings at the city council level. Smoking regulations have already been reviewed by the legislative committee, and we will be scheduling those for public hearings in front of the city council in the coming weeks. Heidi gave an update on the short-term vacation rental regulations, and she indicated we'll be initiating planning commission hearings next month on that. And then at the bottom of the list, but certainly not at the bottom of priority, is the marineship specific plan update. The next step on that is for staff to bring a scope of work of what that could look like. We will bring that scope of work to the city council for review to get your endorsement on that. After we get your endorsement on that, then we would integrate that into a request for proposal that we would send out to potential consultants for that so they could give us bids on that, get those bids, select a preferable one, bring that proposal back to the City Council for authorization for funding. So the City Council will have significant input on the scope of that as well as the budget for that. And that, along with other items on this, are priority calendar items. With the building division, we're in the final steps of updating our building permit tracking software. I expect that to go online early next month. Our building fee schedule, we are looking at options for enhancing our revenues and updating that. So we'll be doing that following the council's adoption of the budget. And then we have a building board of appeal that has three vacancies, and we beseech the council to select some qualified individuals for that. So we have a fully staffed. |
| 03:26:01.15 | Adam Krivach | the early |
| 03:26:01.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:26:30.64 | Jeremy | Board of Appeals. Next, moving over to code enforcement, I'd like to go into a little detail on one code enforcement, successful code enforcement program that we had earlier this year regarding portable signs or A-frame signs or some signs that are stuck in the ground on a piece of foam board. |
| 03:26:40.46 | Adam Krivach | Thank you. |
| 03:26:52.89 | Jeremy | We had two areas that we had to clean up, the North Bridgeway area, and then later in the summer, the downtown Caledonia and Marinship areas. So what we've identified here are the steps we went through. In both of these programs, we reached out to the property owners, gave them the purpose of the sign regulations, and gave them a grace period for bringing their signs in. After the expiration of that grace period, signs which were in the public right-of-way, staff from the Department of Public Works removed the signs and then planning staff went and gave compliance orders to the business owners that still had outstanding signs or remaining signs out there. On the second phase of this, the downtown Caledonia and Marinship areas, before we initiated that, staff had reached out to the Chamber of Commerce, and on their suggestion, we met with, we had a public meeting on that. We met with business owners and the Chamber of Commerce to explain the program. And the program in many parts is, well, we have to make sure that we, that portable signs on sidewalk and A-frame sometimes intrude into the 48 inch wide pathway that we need for accessibility purposes on our public sidewalks and also create clutter. And we get complaints from business owners on the clutter in the downtown area. So we have support from business owners for this enforcement program. And we have had a little slip back in certain areas, and so we are sending out compliance orders now. All the business orders have been warned, so we immediately now go to the compliance orders where we have slipped back on this. a summary table of the code enforcement actions. We have several different categories going across the column headings. With the portable signs, the top row, you see we had 35 compliance orders. We also had 300 letters that we sent out to business owners in advance of the enforcement programs. The courtesy notices were only taking credit for those of the |
| 03:29:23.81 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:29:23.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:29:30.10 | Jeremy | business owners who decided to ignore the courtesy notices. And so, of course, some of those got compliance orders after the warnings, Moving over to the building code, these are issues handled by the building inspector. And then on the accessibility issues, those are the 42 complaints that we've received on 42 properties. Many properties have multiple complaints. We've conducted site inspections on those. The accessibility issues are very labor intensive. They require a review of the past building permits, sometimes going back three years from the most recent building permit that has been issued. Other aspects of the accessibility complaints getting into, well, is it a potential violation of the state regulations, the California building code, or is it the federal regulations, the federal access of the Americans with Disabilities Act guidelines. And then after we have identified a true violation, then it is staff needs to get engaged with an education process for the building owner because frequently this hits them completely blind. They were not aware of this at all. And so, or the building may have changed hands and they have bought a building with accessibility issues. So these do take a while. We do have two administrative citations that we have issued, one on a building code issue and one on a zoning issue for inadequate parking. On one of these administrative citations Thank you. code issue and one on a zoning issue for inadequate parking. On one of these administrative citations that was issued, |
| 03:31:30.27 | Jeremy | We did have the recipient of that protested that citation. We had to have a hearing officer come in from outside the area to have a hearing on that. So that hearing officer ruled in favor of the issuance of that citation, and so the next step is back in the property owner's court and what they're going to do about that. |
| 03:32:08.14 | Jeremy | So at this point, I would like to hand it over to Lily, and she will give you a briefing on the housing element issues. |
| 03:32:10.55 | Lillie Shinsing | Thank you. |
| 03:32:13.60 | Lillie Shinsing | on the |
| 03:32:14.63 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 03:32:14.68 | Lillie Shinsing | How's your name? |
| 03:32:15.22 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Well, |
| 03:32:15.29 | Lillie Shinsing | that you can see. |
| 03:32:15.37 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:32:17.03 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 03:32:17.11 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 03:32:17.36 | Jeremy | are coming up. |
| 03:32:18.41 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Really. Do you want to split this up? At your choice. |
| 03:32:23.58 | Jeremy | At your choice. Yeah. We have a transition here. |
| 03:32:27.31 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 03:32:27.35 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Good question. |
| 03:32:28.13 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 03:32:28.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:32:29.41 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, a couple ones. Several slides back, you had the building permit slide. I'm curious about the new software for the building permit process. I can't tell you how many complaints I've listened to over the years, and now just another recently from both residents and businesses about |
| 03:32:45.14 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Hold. |
| 03:32:45.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:32:57.00 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | the building permit process. So how will this help us? |
| 03:33:04.43 | Jeremy | it will make it, it's, it's, As with all software, we go through updates. The version we have now is FileMaker 7. We will now be FileMaker 12. So you can see the software has gone through several updates. And so the upgrades we will be getting will allow staff to better track the status of where the permits are in the process. In the past, we have our building permit review process, we've gone in a basically a serial step. So the plans come in, they go to the... The first step is they go to the outside plan checker, then they go to planning, then they go to planning. engineering, fire, It may necessarily be in that order, but the plan goes from here to here. We're shifting over to a serial, a parallel track, so we're asking for more copies of the plans, and so they'll be reviewed by each of these different entities, different divisions at the same time. And so the plan check process will go faster rather than it getting held up on one reviewer's desk, if you will, or if they're on vacation or what have you. And so this permit tracking software will allow the permit technician to establish a timeframe for |
| 03:34:15.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:34:16.03 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:34:16.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:34:39.71 | Unknown | on |
| 03:34:54.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:00.21 | Jeremy | I've given you five reviewers here the plans. You have a certain number of working days to review those plans, and we'll come back. Okay, these four over here have gotten the plans back to her, but this one over here has been lagging. And so she'll know that that, and she'll have a tickler on that so she can get back to, you know, |
| 03:35:05.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:17.52 | Unknown | has been lagging. |
| 03:35:26.15 | Jeremy | You're holding things up here. We need to get the entire plan set back to the architects so they can make the revisions and move it forward there. So that is one example of how the new software will facilitate the plan check process. |
| 03:35:37.82 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, will there be, thank you, will there be any way of speeding up the process, because this is where I get the most complaints and hear horror stories actually, of getting the... building permit process speeded up in some way, Sveta, whereby the city sends plans down south to someone we contract with. Yes. And the back and forth, at least all of the complaints I've heard, back and forth with these people down south goes on forever. Are we looking at a program that will allow communication directly between the requester |
| 03:36:05.03 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Yes. |
| 03:36:30.56 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | and the software, or not the software engineers, but the building inspectors or some way to speed that up, or maybe even some some outfit closer by that checks these things. Could you comment on that please? |
| 03:36:49.76 | Jeremy | Certainly. If plans come in A new building permit application comes in. If it comes in by, if we get it by 4 o'clock, it goes out that day. It goes in the overnight mail to our plan check firm, CSG Consultants, CSG, in San Mateo. So it hits their desk late morning and gets logged in. And so that they're being located out of the area should not be a problem in terms of the handoff of the physical documents. |
| 03:37:15.07 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 03:37:32.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, what I'm hearing is this, is that there's a form and information is requested. The person fills it out, sends it down there, They get it back. and they need more information or So they send it back again with that information. They send it back again saying they need yet more information and this process goes back and forth |
| 03:37:54.90 | Unknown | THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF |
| 03:37:54.98 | Jeremy | Well, and that's- Thank you. |
| 03:37:56.67 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:37:56.69 | Jeremy | But, you know, without a specific example, it's difficult to evaluate this thing. |
| 03:37:59.44 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So if there's a way... I know. Well, I understand that. To evaluate these things. But what I'm asking is... Are we looking as a city to look at that process and make it more interactive, electronically interactive, for instance, where this could be sent, form could be filled out on the Internet, or whatever sent down there. and the questioning could go fly back and forth electronically so the businesses aren't losing money and the residents aren't being delayed. Jeremy, if I can jump in. |
| 03:38:40.01 | Jeremy | I can jump in. Well, there would on the consulting firm does have that capability. However, that capability requires our architects also to have that capability. And many of our architects do not have that capability. |
| 03:38:57.00 | Mayor Kelly | We're getting all hung up here on talking about hypotheticals without any specificness to this. Well, that's okay. So I appreciate your question. That's a question for another time then. I appreciate your question, but I think we need to get a specific example and then we can follow it through. Sure, sure. |
| 03:38:57.37 | Jeremy | So, I hung up. |
| 03:39:02.36 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 03:39:02.38 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Ms. Well, that's |
| 03:39:02.97 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 03:39:03.02 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | So I appreciate your question. I appreciate your question. |
| 03:39:05.98 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:39:06.13 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 03:39:09.07 | Jeremy | Sure. Or we could talk about this offline. Yes, we'll do that. And explore the options. OK. Can I just? |
| 03:39:11.87 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 03:39:12.03 | Adam Politzer | Yes, we'll do that. Can I just share two comments on this? One is that we have been approached by the Chamber of Commerce to work with the business community which would also include the residents. And so we offered as the city to sit down with our engineers, our planners, and |
| 03:39:15.53 | Mayor Kelly | this year. |
| 03:39:37.62 | Adam Politzer | city staff, city attorney, and with contractor architects, property owners, to kind of have this discussion about how we can streamline the process. But part of the simple answer, what makes it difficult, is that the California Building Code is the Bible. This is what you have to do. And in some cases the designs, you know, depending on how complicated the project is, There's a ton of details and so as they go through this, comb through this, they come up with things that weren't addressed because of the level of details. And so when you move one wall or change one outlet, it has a domino effect, so when you respond to it, it then creates a potential for another question. What we try to do is work with the architect, with the owner involved, because sometimes communication gap between the architect or the contractor and the business owners. It's a two-way street where both the city has some responsibility but also contractor. and or the architect and the homeowner have to understand What you submit the more complete in how it follows the building code, will expedite it the quickest. |
| 03:40:54.01 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Sure. |
| 03:40:54.42 | Adam Politzer | Just like the law, though, there's interpretation of the code, and that's where sometimes it And at the end of the day, our consultant and city staff make an opinion and then that has to be followed Sometimes that costs more money or takes more time. And that's usually where you see some more of the complaints come forward. But I think working with the Chamber of Commerce and the community, with city staff to look at opportunities to improve this, you know, in the next year will be something that we see. |
| 03:41:25.48 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 03:41:26.61 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, two quick questions. Who serves on the building board of appeal? Is that residents or who or other engineers or what are we talking about? |
| 03:41:27.88 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:41:39.61 | Jeremy | What are we talking about? As I recall, they are required, they are supposed to be conversant in the construction codes. I do not recall off the top of my head if there's a requirement that they be city residents. I know that some of, I've reached out to some of the individuals who have been on it and they were not residents at the time they were on it. |
| 03:41:49.28 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Uh-huh. |
| 03:42:06.47 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | All right. |
| 03:42:06.76 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 03:42:06.81 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:42:07.10 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 03:42:07.11 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:42:07.15 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 03:42:07.18 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And the last question I have is in the upcoming list of tasks you had. One thing that is in the news constantly is Corte Madera's withdrawal from ABAG. I would really like to know the pros and cons of that. And so my question is, have you been involved in that? And are you planning to give council the pros and cons of either staying in or withdrawing? Thank you. |
| 03:42:42.99 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Can we save that for the housing owner? |
| 03:42:44.58 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Could I just get an answer to my question on this? I mean, it's straightforward. I have not. |
| 03:42:44.63 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 03:42:48.15 | Jeremy | I have not, staff would, staff has not been involved in exploring that to date. If the council gave direction to that task, we can take a look at that. |
| 03:42:52.47 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | involved in exploring that. |
| 03:43:02.12 | Mayor Kelly | That would be a future agenda item, I think. |
| 03:43:03.14 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. All right. you |
| 03:43:04.69 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. you |
| 03:43:06.70 | Councilmember Ford | Mr. Mayor, do you have a question? |
| 03:43:07.31 | Mayor Kelly | Do you have a question? It's now five minutes to 11, so can you make the question short? |
| 03:43:10.66 | Councilmember Ford | So quick. So on the slide where you have upcoming special project priorities, was this list generated from the priority exercise we did last year with respect to what it's the slide? It's just a nit question. Upcoming special project priorities? Special project priorities. |
| 03:43:37.16 | Jeremy | I don't know. |
| 03:43:45.51 | Jeremy | on. I had two slides on upcoming priorities, planning and building. |
| 03:43:47.05 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 03:43:47.06 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:43:47.10 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Right. |
| 03:43:47.32 | Councilmember Ford | two slides on upcoming priorities, planning and building. It's okay. We'll move on and when we get into the priority discussion, I'll bring it up. Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:43:54.62 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 03:43:54.64 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:43:54.67 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Okay. |
| 03:43:55.03 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, thank you. Let's go to housing element. Okay. Okay. I have one question. |
| 03:43:59.06 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 03:43:59.18 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 03:43:59.77 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. Thank you. So Jeremy, one of the things that... Thank you for sort of summarizing the number of meetings and sort of bigger projects, summaries in terms of numbers. But one of the things that's helpful to know for us looking forward is, is there a larger volume of just permits in general of all, even the smaller kind of types that wouldn't you didn't sort of count here to sort of gauge the health of... of the future property taxes as a result of the health and housing industry here. How many permit is our volume? |
| 03:44:34.09 | Jeremy | I mean, how many permits is our volume? What if I work through Charlie on that and integrate that into our presentations to the finance committees? So we have two aspects, number of permits and value of permits. So we can integrate that into that dialogue there. |
| 03:44:46.41 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | of permits. That would be very helpful. That would be helpful to sort of gauge looking forward what we're coming in. Thank you. |
| 03:44:53.15 | Jeremy | Mm-hmm. You're welcome. |
| 03:44:59.91 | Jeremy | All right, let me turn it over to Lele. |
| 03:45:04.30 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Poor Louis. |
| 03:45:07.24 | Lily | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members. I have a couple of slides here for you. Tonight I'll be giving a brief update on the housing element update in addition to the upcoming RHNA cycle and work being done on accessory dwelling units. I apologize, I have a bit of a sore throat. Thank you. So first, for the housing element update, as you're aware, on January 31st, the council authorized staff to send the housing element to HCD, which is the California Department of Housing and Community Development. We did that on February 2nd for a 60-day review of the draft element. During the review period, staff and the M group, which is the housing element, which is the consulting group for the housing element update, had teleconferences with HCD to discuss the review of the element and answer any questions that the reviewer had. During the review period, HCD did receive third-party comments, and a letter from public advocates was included in your update this evening. On April 6, the city received HCD comments, and the comment letter indicates that There are additional revisions that are necessary to comply with state housing law, including a more detailed analysis of the site's inventory and governmental constraints. Currently, staff in the M group are preparing a strategy for addressing HCD's comments, and we've prepared an anticipated schedule for the adoption of the housing element. We proposed to review the strategy with the task force, the planning commission, and then eventually the city council prior to making revisions to the element. So this would involve two task force meetings on April 30th and May 7th. Then there would be a special planning commission meeting on May 16th and a special city council meeting on May 22nd. then the element would be revised per the council's direction on May 22nd and then sent to HCD on May 25th. HCD would technically have a 60-day period to review the revised housing element. We've been talking with the reviewer, and she has indicated that she will make every effort to review the element within 30 days. So it's an expedited review. The Planning Commission would then begin hearings on amending the general plan to incorporate the revised housing element. And this would happen prior to receipt of HCD's comments on the element. However, the Planning Commission's hearings wouldn't be concluded until after we received HCD's comments on the revised housing element. After the Planning Commission recommends an element to the City Council, the Council would hold hearings on amending the general plan. And then following the adoption of the element, it would be forwarded to HCD for certification. And this suggested schedule would achieve adoption of the element prior to the Council's August recess. After that happens, the review period for certification of the element is 90 days with HCD. |
| 03:48:35.00 | Lily | So moving on to the upcoming arena cycle, the Association of Bay Area Governments, or AVAG, is in the process of developing a draft methodology for the upcoming arena cycle. Regional Housing Needs Allocation or RENA cycle. The draft methodology released by the Transportation Authority of Marin on March 8th indicates that the preliminary arena for Sausalito is 244 units. ABAC schedule online indicates that the final methodology would be adopted on July 19th of this year, and then the draft arena would be released the next day. Cities would have until September 18th of this year to provide requests to revise the arena. ABAC would then respond by November 15th of this year, either approving the revision request or denying it. Subsequently, local jurisdictions would have until January 11th of next year to appeal the arena that they received. ABAC would have hearings on the appeal in February of 2013, and then the final Reno would be issued on April 12, 2013. On March 14th of this year, staff contacted ABAC staff to discuss the preliminary RENA methodology, which resulted in the preliminary 244 units. And following that discussion, staff contacted M Group for technical assistance in reviewing the preliminary draft methodology. M Group has signed a contract, actually they signed it yesterday, to provide technical assistance in advocating for a reduced RENA for the upcoming cycle. Staff would recommend if the council has any questions about the RHNA cycle to forward those to me, and I'll get those over to M group to answer them for you. |
| 03:50:32.98 | Lily | And then lastly, an update on the accessory dwelling unit regulations. We have had a kickoff meeting in March with the accessory dwelling unit working group, which is a three-member subcommittee of the Housing Element Task Force. The purpose of the working group is to craft regulations for new accessory dwelling units and an amnesty program for existing accessory dwelling units. The group is currently reviewing standards for ADUs, like parking and size and design and allowed location, The working group is having two meetings per month, and we're scheduled to have those meetings through June, at which time the draft regulations would be forwarded to the Planning Commission for review, and then subsequently to the City Council for review. consideration and adoption. And that concludes our report, and we're available for any questions. |
| 03:51:30.72 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. Lily, thanks for all your hard work. I know you've worked very hard on this, and it shows, and I really want to say, you know, thank you. Yeah. And so my first question actually goes to the first slide you shared with the timeline. And I'm just curious, Regarding the feedback you received, it says March 16th. public comment letters received by HCD. When did HCD tell city staff about the comments that HCD had received? |
| 03:52:11.39 | Lily | I don't remember the actual dates. You had a 10- |
| 03:52:15.56 | Councilmember Ford | You had a ton. There was a teleconference that city staff had, it says, on March 21st. Maybe this is a question for Jeremy. Was this on that? |
| 03:52:22.24 | Lily | We. Thank you. |
| 03:52:28.94 | Lily | At the March 21st meeting, we had received the public advocates letter. |
| 03:52:32.79 | Councilmember Ford | Okay, and then there was a League of Women Voters letter that was addressed to Mayor Kelly, and that was on March 26th. Did you? |
| 03:52:42.12 | Lily | And you. We weren't aware of that letter until after we received HCD's comment letter. It was referenced, and so then I asked the reviewer for a copy of it. |
| 03:52:44.45 | Councilmember Ford | and so I'm going to go to the |
| 03:52:51.89 | Councilmember Ford | So I'm just curious as to during the process, and I've learned this myself recently, that HCD is required to kind of filter in the comments they get, evidently, during the review period. And I'm just curious as to why Thank you. Council wasn't notified as to the public advocates letter and subsequently the other, you know, two pieces of feedback that HCD received since we could have easily countered that public comment with additional public comment within Sausalito residence. So I'm just curious, why we were not aware of that feedback from public advocates. |
| 03:53:47.63 | Lily | We sent the letter to the council at the same time that we received the HCD comment letter. Thank you. |
| 03:53:54.04 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:53:54.06 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 03:53:54.09 | Councilmember Ford | This is the HCD comment letter. We did get that at April 6th, or rather, I think a couple days, or maybe it was April 6th. But what I'm saying is that the public advocates letter was March 16th. and you knew about that on March 21st. I guess I'm just asking the question just for the record because it seems to me that it would have been of use at least for me to know that we had gotten that kind of pushback on our housing element so that we could respond. Was there... |
| 03:54:13.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:54:14.04 | Maureen McCly | and |
| 03:54:14.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:54:32.33 | Councilmember Ford | you Thank you. I mean, Thank you. |
| 03:54:34.73 | Jeremy | It's quite standard for housing advocates to provide comment letters on all draft housing elements are submitted to HCD. Actually, I'm pleased that we only got three letters. The other correspondence I'm thinking of is some that Jerry Fate, a local resident, had provided. I've seen other housing elements get multiple letters from affordable housing advocates. And I think |
| 03:55:20.09 | Jeremy | HCD reviewer, their charge is to look at does this city's housing elements that they have received comply with state law. They may get input from a nudge from this entity here. They may get a nudge from the local Builders Association. They may get nudges from the Sierra Club. But at the end of the day, the responsibility, the state law says that the charge of the Department of Housing and Community Development is to evaluate whether the draft housing element complies with state law. So as a thought. |
| 03:56:06.78 | Councilmember Ford | So as a follow up on that, Mr. Mayor, because I talked to HCD after I read their comment letter and they said by state law they're required to consider the feedback they get, I mean by statute. And so conversely, |
| 03:56:16.45 | Unknown | Nice. |
| 03:56:25.81 | Councilmember Ford | All I'm saying is had we known about that feedback, I'm sure there were many residents who could have provided feedback as well to HCD. prior to the time they they release their comment letter That's all I'm saying. So I mean there's state law, but then there's also the process, you know, within state law and the statute. So I guess for the record, I just think that it would have been good to inform people |
| 03:56:46.08 | Unknown | and stay in the middle. |
| 03:56:54.69 | Councilmember Ford | City Council as, too. you know, that we had gotten pushback. That's all I'm saying. Thank you. My next question has to do with the slide. The last slide. regarding the RHNA count allocation. Yes, thank you. So the last we heard, our RHNA allocation was 90. That was the last thing I had heard, I think it was like last year. uh, And I heard that as part of the MCCMC presentation. And you very well may not know the answer to this question. I'm just going to put it out there. Do you know... What happened? Why? our RHNA estimate shot up from 90 units to 244. I mean, did they give you any feedback about that? |
| 03:57:52.38 | Lily | My understanding, and it could be incorrect about the 90 number, is that that came out of the Community Sustainability, or the SES, Sustainable Communities Strategy, effort that's going on that's connected with the RHNA because there are timeframes that influence the RHNA. But the RHNA methodology, it's its own separate process unto itself. So the methodology that is being created right now doesn't have to do with the numbers that were coming out during the SCS process. |
| 03:58:29.76 | Councilmember Ford | So it's my understanding as a follow-up, Mr. Mayor, follow-up question. that the first SCS estimate was 90, but then I heard that the second SCS Sustainabilities Committee strategy release was 600 for the 2010 to 2040, was that wrong? |
| 03:58:49.61 | Mayor Kelly | Was that wrong? 40 year period. |
| 03:58:51.55 | Councilmember Ford | Yeah, yeah, that's what I said, 2010 to 2040 period with 600, and that was a separate event. I understand that. But anyway, so I was just curious as to, Okay, thank you. You answered my question. Thank you. |
| 03:59:05.27 | Lily | And then I misspoke as well. The estimate arena, or the draft arena right now, is not 244. It's 224. 224. Okay, thank you. I apologize. |
| 03:59:05.40 | Councilmember Ford | and, |
| 03:59:15.04 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, thank you. I apologize. |
| 03:59:17.40 | Mayor Kelly | All right. |
| 03:59:18.21 | Lily | She's. |
| 03:59:18.53 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:59:19.17 | Unknown | you |
| 03:59:20.13 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have one, Mr. Mayor. The schedule that we're looking at gives the Housing Element Committee, two meetings to determine a strategy and revisions to the housing element. What's that based on? you |
| 03:59:40.28 | Lily | The two meetings? I think our consultant is fairly confident that they that we're putting together a good strategy for the task force to review. We'll be coming to the meeting, having that strategy prepared. ready to go for the task force to look at. So we're anticipating that it will take them two meetings to do that. |
| 04:00:00.72 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, that's, this is a laudable time schedule, but I just want us to be flexible if we need to to get it right. It just seemed to me that off the top two meetings might not be enough to get resident input and all of that. But we have some flexibility in this schedule. Jeremy? |
| 04:00:20.65 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:00:20.93 | Jeremy | There are many. Actually, well, if we're trying to if. |
| 04:00:23.99 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Not this schedule. Or is it? |
| 04:00:28.41 | Unknown | So that's just going to do a little bit. |
| 04:00:30.47 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Is it that one? OK, it's light and I'm looking at one that's a little different in our end. |
| 04:00:36.75 | Jeremy | We have a couple different schedules we're working with, yes. The arena schedule as well as the housing element schedule. We feel this is a feasible schedule in that after going through the reviewing the housing element in the hearings in January, that the housing element issues are still pretty fresh on everyone's mind. And we had some 35. |
| 04:00:59.16 | Jeremy | implementation programs that we looked at, and now we've got the comments back. From the staff perspective, we're hoping to strike while the iron is hot right now, while people are still engaged. |
| 04:00:59.26 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:01:12.17 | Jeremy | And, the comment letter we got back from the state probably focuses in on using very round numbers, a handful of the implementation programs. And so those are going to have to be those are the ones where the focus is going to be. And I'm not saying that the that making decisions on that handful is going to be easy |
| 04:01:37.12 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Uh-huh. |
| 04:01:37.92 | Jeremy | But we don't have to look at the whole the whole universe this time. And so that's why we feel that we're looking toward the M group to be able to explain the different options to the Housing Element Task Force and then also the Planning Commission and the Council are very familiar with the issues there. Sure, that makes sense. And it's time to make a decision on it. That's helpful. |
| 04:01:43.25 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | for the first time. |
| 04:01:43.30 | John Farrell | Oh, okay. |
| 04:01:43.91 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 04:01:43.96 | John Farrell | Thank you. |
| 04:01:54.76 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:02:01.44 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | with the issues there. Sure, that makes sense. That's helpful. |
| 04:02:07.47 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:02:07.55 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:02:07.97 | Mayor Kelly | You're welcome. All right, any other questions? Seeing none, I'll look. |
| 04:02:13.14 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I would just suggest that maybe along these same meeting timeframes, you just disseminate the M Group's suggestions to the Council and the Planning Commission Thank you. let the people read them so they're ready to go when it gets to the Planning Commission and when it gets here so that, you know, we can just read there. As it works through the system, everybody's following along with what's happening. |
| 04:02:34.42 | Lily | Thank you. Just to comment on that, I think we've used the model that we used last year and earlier this year and send out all the information to the distribution list and the City Council and Planning Commission in the packets that go out before the meetings. If that's... what you were thinking. |
| 04:02:49.40 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | No, I'm saying that, you know, in April 30th, and the group's going to present, I'm imagining something to the task force, maybe we're saying the same thing, you know, send it to us too, and if we need to put it on our agenda to make sure it's discussed, so we have, you know, everybody's discussing this, the same thing that the Planning Commission put on the Planning Commission's agenda so they can start talking about it while the task force is working on it, so we're not, again, getting back to your elbow of not being serial and being parallel. |
| 04:02:54.82 | Lily | of course. Yeah. |
| 04:03:18.81 | Councilmember Ford | Mr. Mayor, I do have one more question. What is the M group contract amount? Thank you. |
| 04:03:26.46 | Lily | for the RENA work? for the... I think it's around 10,000. Thank you. |
| 04:03:33.48 | Councilmember Ford | Okay. Thank you. |
| 04:03:35.45 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 04:03:36.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:36.16 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 04:03:36.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:36.57 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 04:03:36.60 | Unknown | Exactly. |
| 04:03:37.04 | Jeremy | Councilmember Pfeiffer, that dollar amount is includes continuing work by the M group through the RENA review process. So it's an on. |
| 04:03:53.37 | Mayor Kelly | It's already been approved, don't you see? |
| 04:03:54.84 | Jeremy | Yeah, well, and it's ongoing for if we need their services, if we wish to appeal ABAG's actions at some of these meetings up here that we hopefully have engaged their services for those actions also. |
| 04:04:16.76 | Mayor Kelly | I guess the question is, is that, what was the original amount of the contract that we gave to them? Is this $10,000 included in that original amount, or is this an additional $10,000? |
| 04:04:28.24 | Jeremy | in addition to it. |
| 04:04:29.05 | Mayor Kelly | then I think we need approval, don't we? It's a serial deal. |
| 04:04:32.96 | Jeremy | Well, it's within the signing authority. |
| 04:04:34.92 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:04:36.77 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 04:04:36.81 | Mayor Kelly | Well, |
| 04:04:36.91 | Mary Wagner | A separate project, treated as a separate project. |
| 04:04:38.89 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. again. Thank you. Public comment, anybody care to comment on this? I see no one. It's information only so we'll move on. |
| 04:04:58.59 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I would just say I have one general comment. I think the city should speak with one voice to the state. |
| 04:05:00.47 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:05:07.96 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | And as you go through the staff, you know, you're welcome as individuals to certainly do whatever you want, a free country. But we shouldn't all be calling the HCD and meeting with them because they're going to get mixed messages from the city of Sausalito if council members are talking to them outside of the process. I don't think that that's going to be super productive and help us in any way in this process. So I think, you know, we have to be careful that we're, no matter how concerned or interested in the subject, that the city is represented by one voice. |
| 04:05:15.37 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 04:05:34.84 | Mayor Kelly | subject. |
| 04:05:35.42 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:05:35.45 | John Farrell | Thank you. |
| 04:05:35.60 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:05:35.62 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. I frankly think it goes beyond that. That the council is a deliberative body that makes ordinances and laws and procedures and so on. We deliver it to the city manager The city manager has a staff. The staff does the work. The staff does not report to the council. The council does not manage the staff. and going outside on an issue. any council member moving outside of that Um, authority function is, I think, dead wrong. So I would hope that all of us would restrain ourselves, work through our city manager and do what is appropriate with the city manager, And the city manager will work with staff. And if there's meetings that are necessary, that they'll be conducted in that venue. So I don't think there needs to be more said about it. And so let's move on. All right, we're down to priority calendar, annual review of city priority calendar, step one. And oh, boy, we're starting on this at 1115. So it should be fun. All right, who's going to present something on this? Is that you? |
| 04:06:45.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:06:45.51 | Adam Politzer | You know this. |
| 04:06:47.10 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 04:06:48.65 | Adam Politzer | Well, here's the good news. The good news is that you guys have all gone through this process, and as I look out to the audience here, |
| 04:06:53.19 | Unknown | I said, |
| 04:06:55.66 | Adam Politzer | I don't think there's any rookies in the audience either. So I don't have to go through a long process of how it all works. I do want to clarify that tonight is the first step of three. You and the public. and the staff will all have opportunities to make changes tonight at the next meeting on May 1st or the last meeting on May, whatever that date is at this point in time, which when it gets actually finalized. And as a reminder, last year when we got to the last meeting there was items that fell below and the council voted to move certain items forward. So, I just want to remind the council that it's not a done deal until you guys put the gavel down and say we move and approve and go forward. So tonight's process should be quite simple. And that is reviewing what was in your packet, which is basically 52 items. that are being recommended. for your consideration. Uh, Attached to the staff report are also recommendations from your various boards and commissions so that you have an opportunity to see that some of the Boards and Commissions spent a lot of time and generated a significant amount of items for the Council's consideration, where a few of the Boards and Commissions I really only had one or two, and a few of them only had one. but they were significant priorities, they were significant projects. that they wanted to undertake. and they wanted the support of the council. Uh, You'll see as the attachment goes on a list, which is attachment 1, attachment A, is of the 52 items in alphabetical order and we can go through that tonight to say if there's anything on there that you just would like to have removed. Again, you don't I wouldn't spend a whole lot of time on that tonight. I would look more so about adding. items on here. that may be on one of your boards and commissions or on your own personal agenda or members of the community that have talked to you prior to the meeting. or community members that are here tonight. that have seen the list and either want to advocate for something that is not on there or even advocate for something that's on the existing list but fell below the line or hasn't yet progressed as far along as they would like to see. So if I can also direct your attention to the third attachment which is the list of the 2011-12 priority calendar items which kind of gives you an update of where we are on the items that were above the line, ranked above the in the last session and where they are. Some of those have been completed. And you see on my recommendation of taking items that have been recommended to be removed. on some of those, their action has come to an end. or the action will come to the end at the end of the year. or For example, fire consolidation, after the vote on June 5th. We'll either know that we have more work to do or that the residents support it annexation and it's going forward. So at that point in time, I think if if the residents do not approve the fire annexation ballot measure then it's going to be a priority no matter what list it's on. And I think that the entire council agrees with that. So I don't think that we need to have that on the list because it will become the number one priority come June 6th if the residents choose not to support it. So again, just to try to make this easier, looking at the lateness here, I'd much rather the Council focus on items that they'd like to have added that are not on the list of 52. And if there are some items that have quick consensus that they should be removed. then do a quick poll of that. As you see up here on the board, we have the list of 52 in alphabetical order. You may want to start with public comment first. |
| 04:11:45.97 | Mayor Kelly | No, I'm going to start with my comment first. I would like to propose that we do this somewhat differently. The lateness of the hour, it's going to be tedious to try to focus on these, and these are really important. I think what we did at least one time before, if not more times that have been through this, is we took all these things, all this stuff, and we went home. And we each made out a list. And then we came back and we combined those lists and we had a huge number. I know you're trying to keep it small, but we had a huge number. And then we went down and rank ordered those numbers and kept reducing until we got down to a manageable list that we could live with. And I think that we'll get a whole lot better work product for the next meeting if we do this at home as our homework. And that means everybody's got to do it. and go through it. I see you smiling, sometimes when you smile, It's not really a smile. Bye. |
| 04:12:46.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:12:46.18 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I think Debbie's smart. It's more like a smirk. |
| 04:12:46.27 | Mayor Kelly | I think Debbie is smarter. Debbie is more like a smirk. So would you like to comment on that before we decide to do this? |
| 04:12:50.28 | Councilmember Weiner | Yes. |
| 04:12:54.66 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | One suggestion for you is I agree with you in general. I think maybe the easiest thing to do at this hour is to go through the staff, where we are on the ones that were already there and the ones that they're saying, it's already pretty well described. We could sort of tackle some of that, so at least we're not ranking things that don't need to be on a list kind of thing already. |
| 04:13:15.12 | Councilmember Weiner | I think that's what should be on. |
| 04:13:15.95 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | So I think rather than add to it, I think it's exhibit. free. Maybe we can just quickly go through the staff's recommendation of whether these are accomplished or not. And if a draw is out, then we'll cut it off. |
| 04:13:31.16 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | I'm ready at 11.30. |
| 04:13:34.48 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Yeah, I think the problem with Adam smiling about it is you're going to run out of time when you get to adopting the budget in June. And so it's one of those, there's only so many meetings. If you want to have a lot of special meetings, then we're happy to do that. |
| 04:13:45.28 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | I'm not sick as soon as I think that I can. Dean is home and... Thank you. |
| 04:13:51.98 | Mayor Kelly | Well, I think nobody's going to argue about the historic guidelines ordinance being completed. Right. |
| 04:13:55.56 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Right. It is. OK. So I think we can just scroll through here and, you know, |
| 04:13:59.91 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, let's just go through the completed ones really fast. Sure. |
| 04:14:04.65 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | THE END OF |
| 04:14:04.74 | Adam Politzer | you . The staff's already done that, so I think that. |
| 04:14:06.88 | Mayor Kelly | So I think that... It's in this report right here. Right. But this is also a tiny little granicus iPad complaint is when you roll these suckers through like this, the machine won't take PDFs and turn them sideways, so you can't ever read it. So you have to print it out. Can I? It doesn't work. If you did it in a Word document, if you did it in a Word document, it would work. |
| 04:14:09.88 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:14:25.06 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Can I? |
| 04:14:30.22 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | So the one caveat I have on that is that the library space evaluation is not actually done because it's changing, right? |
| 04:14:39.68 | Mayor Kelly | No, it's not. |
| 04:14:40.78 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | but they did one and then Now they want in a closed room and that's going to go through, so no? That's changed again? |
| 04:14:46.20 | Adam Politzer | No. No, all that has been... reviewed and approved and they'll start to work in August. The study is the study, so the study is complete. |
| 04:14:55.45 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Amen. |
| 04:14:59.55 | Adam Politzer | Um... What you had was your new library librarian, city librarian take a look and make some recommendation and modifications which the board supported and approved. It stayed within the budget and now we have an architect and engineer. working on the details. to start work in August. That's why it was removed. |
| 04:15:26.80 | Councilmember Ford | So, Mr. Mayor, it sounds like city staff has already identified which ones are completed then. Yes, they're right here. Yeah, they're right here, so we don't need to. |
| 04:15:32.99 | Mayor Kelly | Yes, they're right. |
| 04:15:34.34 | Adam Politzer | Yes. |
| 04:15:34.41 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. so we don't need to Thank you. So the only difference would be if we don't agree. |
| 04:15:38.06 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, if I can just explain the smile. |
| 04:15:38.09 | Councilmember Ford | spend time on this. |
| 04:15:39.02 | Mayor Kelly | Mr. Mayor, if I can get that. |
| 04:15:42.16 | Adam Politzer | Um... |
| 04:15:42.68 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:15:42.70 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Yes. Bye. Bye. I love that. |
| 04:15:44.42 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 04:15:44.55 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:15:44.65 | Adam Politzer | I'm not. |
| 04:15:44.84 | Mayor Kelly | I'm sorry. |
| 04:15:44.87 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:15:44.89 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:15:44.96 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:15:44.99 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:15:45.06 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:15:46.54 | Mayor Kelly | I like my analysis. You gotta laugh. Thank you. |
| 04:15:50.75 | Adam Politzer | It's always good to smile. |
| 04:15:51.89 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 04:15:52.06 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:15:52.13 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:15:52.16 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 04:15:52.18 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 04:15:53.46 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. This is the fifth time that we've gone through this process. It's never easy. and it is always time consuming. And we tried to do it in two meetings and we added last year third meeting so that we build in a little bit of time. Why I'm smiling is that There's 52 items on this list and many of them are carryover items that just need that extra time. And the reason why we have it up on the screen there in alphabetical order, it's just to help you go through the items quickly so that you can say you know, tell me why one of these items is still on there. let's say the community garden for example which generated a lot of interest in discussion in our community, both pro and against, and, but, We've continued. to work with them and later this Um, in the next month or so, they're going to come forward with their new proposal and we'll see if there's any support either by the residents or by the council or both or not. And then that will find its way down the next path. But this process, regardless to what you try to do, you can say let's go home and do homework and some people will do more homework than others because as you heard tonight just in the community development report, or any of the other department reports there is a mountain of work and each of you have different interests in the mountain of So how much time are you going to spend on this? And so I think what will happen is that we'll go through the same exercise on May 1st that I'm asking you to do tonight. And it's really SAS recommendation I'm not asking you to add anything onto this. I think 52, and we already know that we're going to recommend someone in the neighborhood between 20 and 25 projects because we don't have the money. We already know we don't have the money. and we don't have any additional staff coming on board. So you're talking about consultants. And then you're looking to the good work of our committee, the BAC is a good example as is the Sustainability Commission, a good example of actually doing a lot of the heavy lifting to get some of these forward and moved on. So, I'm smiling because I think we would just kick the can down the road, but we wouldn't find ourselves actually saving much time. So unless. there is something that's on this list, you know, which was in your staff report that you had an opportunity to read, they brought out a real negative reaction I'd like to see this item moved off and do so or I reviewed the planning commission's list trees and views committees list or something, one of these other groups. and I don't see it on there and we'd like to have it added. Adding is simple, right? Um, its ranking which will happen um, you'll have two meetings. down the road. which becomes very difficult because again. you'll all have different numbers assigned to them. So I do recommend that you take the time tonight to quickly look at this. Again, I'm telling you that you get to do it again on the May 1st meeting. So if you don't have the energy or you don't want to argue about certain items because sometimes it generates that type of emotion. You can just say, I'll fight that fight another day and I'll just let the item get added. And you got public here tonight, I at least take the public comment to see if those items are. |
| 04:19:18.36 | Mayor Kelly | I'll take public comments, yeah, but... You know, I got a list today at 4 o'clock, maybe it's because I read my email late from one committee and I don't think those things are necessarily on here. But anyway, but that's another problem I'm sitting dealing with about five pieces of the same. |
| 04:19:35.50 | Adam Politzer | Just to clarify, sustainability commission and it's the plastic bag ordinance which I'm recommending not to be on there because right now it's tied up in court. But if the Sustainability Commission wants to do it work. |
| 04:19:45.26 | Mayor Kelly | All right. The Commission wants to do good work. The Business Advisory Committee sent four items in. I haven't had a chance to study them to see if they're there. But I'm sure they're going to share with you |
| 04:19:53.90 | Adam Politzer | I'll share with you the value. |
| 04:19:55.18 | Mayor Kelly | them. Okay, well, let's take a little... |
| 04:19:57.20 | Adam Politzer | It doesn't mean that we're going to... rank them above the line tonight. It's just that should we keep it on there for ranking consideration when the process goes to to actually rank these items. |
| 04:20:09.46 | Councilmember Ford | Mr. Mayor, can I comment? |
| 04:20:09.49 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Can I come back? |
| 04:20:11.94 | Councilmember Ford | Can I comment? Yeah. you I think it makes sense and I hear what the city manager is saying and I understand that but I'm just feeling so tired. I don't know about the quality of my analysis at this time. I would love to hear from the audience though. |
| 04:20:28.27 | Mayor Kelly | Let us take some public comment, and then we'll come back to this. Thank you. Watch this. Anybody in the public want to comment on anything we're talking about up here? Adam. Adam does. Adam, come on up, Adam. Thank you. Exonerate me. |
| 04:20:34.21 | Unknown | Anybody that talking about. |
| 04:20:37.03 | Unknown | out of here. |
| 04:20:39.51 | Adam Krivach | it. |
| 04:20:39.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:20:39.93 | Adam Krivach | Adam does. Adam, come on up, Adam. |
| 04:20:46.48 | Adam Krivach | Good evening. This process which affects the whole year's work, so it's a very important one and probably counsel person Piper is right that we shouldn't tackle it when everybody is very tired. I submitted a request for moving the item forward, but that did not take I would like to emphasize why the six recommendations the BAC made make sense. And I have it in writing, I will hand it to everyone, so I will be very brief. the update of the marine ship specific plan is warranted because There are hundreds of firms in operation there There are thousands of employees making a living there. And The infrastructure is scrambling, it's outdated, Thank you. The place was not built to last, and we owe it to take a second fresh look to see, okay, how we can preserve the historic values, how we can generate the money to preserve the historic values, and how we can make it a viable part of the community in the future. the implementation of the recommendations of the Community and Economic Development Study is a little bit hazy request. We are prepared to specify our request for Jeremy Graves, and he will then be able to accommodate it in terms of his vocabulary that is more specific that he can live with. We also would like to have the implementation of the Greenway and that is missing between Anchor Street and the ferry terminal. When I come home from the ferry, I always have to drive through the parking lot. I always dodge automobiles to drive up. Why? Because the connection between the ferry terminal and bridgeway is sideways and not toward my parked vehicle or my scooter. So that's an easy one. And I know that the criteria are major projects. This is not a major project, but it could be done very quickly. improve the mooring buoys and provide the downtown dinghy dock in support of the America's Cup We investigated this. It could be easily accomplished. And Marin County would be involved. They would support our efforts. We probably should pursue it. Continued planning for the America's Cup was discussed earlier today. I don't have to talk about it. And finally, I see on the list of projects listed that the city manager distributed a comprehensive transportation plan for the downtown district And I do not see our recommendation that the comprehensive plan for the downtown district. Somehow the comprehensive plan should involve urban design issues, and not just transportation, should involve analysis of how do we satisfy the peak requirements for sightseeing in the area without causing havoc. And with this I finished it, thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:25:11.43 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. Okay. |
| 04:25:13.85 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, if I can just comment very briefly. Of the six items that the Business Advisory Committee submitted, five of them are listed in the list of 52. The last one that Mr. Cavazzi just mentioned, item number six, was not. |
| 04:25:34.10 | Mayor Kelly | I couldn't find, where would I find implementing the greenway between Anchorage Street and ferry landing? What's that under? Central Waterfront? |
| 04:25:41.41 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:25:41.59 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:25:41.71 | Adam Politzer | Number five. |
| 04:25:42.92 | Mayor Kelly | Oh, the bridgeway to ferry landing. Okay. Okay. |
| 04:25:42.94 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:25:46.32 | Adam Politzer | Lane Greenway between Anchor Street and the Fairway Inn. |
| 04:25:48.46 | Mayor Kelly | I got you. And where's the mooring buoys? |
| 04:25:51.95 | Adam Politzer | That's the only rich today. |
| 04:25:53.39 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:25:53.50 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:25:54.11 | Councilmember Weiner | What's that book? |
| 04:25:54.95 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:25:54.97 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:25:55.46 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 04:25:55.68 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:25:56.71 | Mayor Kelly | That's not in there, is it? Thank you. |
| 04:25:58.45 | Adam Politzer | It is number 36. |
| 04:26:02.06 | Mayor Kelly | Oh, there it is. Over. So that's it. It's different. That is totally different. Yeah. Well, it's also a lot of |
| 04:26:06.80 | Adam Politzer | different. Yeah. |
| 04:26:09.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:26:09.65 | Adam Politzer | Well, it's also up in another item too in Moritz with the talking about the restoration of the waterfront. including exploring the Morich In some cases, these items have come forward through different sources, so I did try to combine them rather than listing them out. There are different issues, but at the same time, they have some relation. |
| 04:26:24.89 | Unknown | No, I just never saw it. |
| 04:26:28.54 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | So, |
| 04:26:31.22 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 04:26:37.53 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:26:37.97 | Adam Politzer | And as you have done in the past, sometimes you have split them out and sometimes you have combined them. |
| 04:26:43.40 | Mayor Kelly | So in your perfect world, we would go through this right now and toss things out of here. |
| 04:26:45.63 | Adam Politzer | You know? I'm saying are there items that you want to remove right now which you feel passionately about, then you should do it. |
| 04:26:52.18 | Mayor Kelly | Good Lord. What about items that we might be a passion for? And you want to add items that I would, if you feel passionately about that tonight? But that I can't think about tonight, because my brain is fried. Well, can we just continue with the public comment? Oh, yeah. The public. People who stay this late. I forgot. |
| 04:26:54.56 | Adam Politzer | And you want to add items if you feel passionately about that tonight. Well, because. |
| 04:27:01.97 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Can we just continue with the public comment? Oh, yeah. The public. People who say this late. I forgot. The public. Yeah. |
| 04:27:08.01 | Cheryl Popp | I'll just move things right along. |
| 04:27:08.67 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:27:08.77 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | you |
| 04:27:08.82 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:27:09.22 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 04:27:09.75 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:27:09.80 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 04:27:09.90 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 04:27:11.33 | Cheryl Popp | Cheryl Popp again, in the spirit of consolidating some of this stuff and maybe making it easier for you, I would like to suggest that number 18 Downtown Transit Hub and Traffic Circulation Master Plan It's my understanding that that's really 90% of what we're talking about when we talk about a downtown master plan. I know downtown master plan didn't make it on our list, but I just, onto this list, but I'd like to suggest you could maybe consolidate those. Because I think, in my mind, that's what the downtown master plan is. It's 90% transit hub and traffic circulation. |
| 04:27:47.93 | Mayor Kelly | So you're saying 18 and 19 become one? Is that what you're saying? |
| 04:27:50.77 | Cheryl Popp | No, we had on our original list this comprehensive plan for the downtown district, and I'm just suggesting, and this is also on behalf of Peter Van Meter, that those two are pretty much one and the same, just for your consideration. The other thing is that number 31, oh, I'm sorry, number 21, it's really a community. It's the community in economic development studies. Number 31, the, oh, I'm sorry, number 21, it's really a community. It's the community in economic development studies. So I think it should just be noted correctly there. |
| 04:27:56.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:27:56.83 | Mayor Kelly | And I'm just, you know, Thank you. |
| 04:28:01.13 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:28:07.51 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:28:23.07 | Cheryl Popp | It's a community and economic development study. And I think 21 and 31 could also be combined. because the 31 Local Economic Development Incentives Program is really part of what the Economic Development Study proposes. So again, you could maybe consolidate those two just to simplify things. And on 36, we had asked for a mooring field and the mooring and downtown dinghy dock. So I'd like to suggest that 36 be mooring field and dinghy dock. And then just real quickly, we talked about the value of AC34 earlier. We just completed this independent community and economic development study, and it clearly indicated that there's tremendous value in doing more than we are right now with the marineship area. And since I've heard all night about the financial straits that the city is in, I think it behooves us to really make that a priority, so I support that, as well as AC34. We have this tremendous community and economic development study report right now, and it's sort of told us things we can do and how to do it, but we need someone to do it. So I would also heartily endorse keeping that high up on the list. Thank you. |
| 04:29:47.80 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:29:47.83 | Cheryl Popp | Thank you. |
| 04:29:47.85 | Mayor Kelly | future. OK, on the back row back there. |
| 04:29:53.20 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Sure. |
| 04:29:54.88 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 04:29:54.88 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | No. No. |
| 04:29:55.76 | Mayor Kelly | We just wanted to wake you up. That was two to one a guess, but go ahead. |
| 04:30:01.80 | Chris Gallagher | 7 o'clock, I'll say something. Chris Gallagher, and as you know, I was the chair of the WAM committee, so I'm here annually to endorse the Marineship Specific Plan and to keep that in the forefront of the council and get that hopefully higher and higher on the list each year. And again, as Cheryl just mentioned, the economic study from Rob Eiler said, you know, again, validates a lot of what came out of the WAM committee. So, again, you have now two reports that are, you know, giving you the same information, basically, and I think it's hardly time that we start looking at that. And being on the maritime committee for the AC34 and the potential for Sausalito on that, I highly endorse that as well. So, thank you. |
| 04:30:55.45 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:30:59.26 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Anybody else? Jeff. Here comes Jeff. |
| 04:31:01.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:31:01.94 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Yeah. |
| 04:31:02.13 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:31:05.49 | Councilmember Weiner | Are you going to be sleeping at the restaurant tonight? |
| 04:31:08.32 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Yeah, right. I have no idea. |
| 04:31:09.98 | Mayor Kelly | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:31:10.23 | Jeff Sheras | I did. |
| 04:31:10.48 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. What a good one. |
| 04:31:13.49 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | What am I doing? |
| 04:31:13.93 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:31:13.98 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I'm sorry. |
| 04:31:14.97 | Mayor Kelly | that. |
| 04:31:15.14 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | THE FAMILY. |
| 04:31:15.31 | Jeff Sheras | I'm also one to also endorse what Chris Gallagher as well as Adam Carvazzi said in regards to the Marin-specific plan as far as really looking at that area and trying to move it forward. Definitely that area, we have a lot of opportunity down there for growth as far as good growth in regards to economic vitality in that area, which there's a lot of business down there already doing a lot of great things things but let's take a look at how we can improve on that as well. Also of course America's Cup as well. Of course you heard us talk about that earlier tonight. I think we have a great opportunity to really |
| 04:31:15.36 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I'm not. |
| 04:31:15.55 | Councilmember Weiner | Um, |
| 04:31:16.05 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | All right. |
| 04:31:52.59 | Jeff Sheras | not just from the sailing standpoint but also from the revenue side as far as really work with our businesses to generate a lot of income, which of course will go in city coffers as well. So to really look at that. Of course the implement recommendations from the community and economic development study, something that we wanted to do for so many years. Now we have that data. Let's utilize it. |
| 04:32:06.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:15.17 | Jeff Sheras | We really need to utilize it the right way and move ourselves forward. So thank you. |
| 04:32:20.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:25.19 | Joe Lemon | Hi, I'm Joe Lemon, and I just wanted to – I've lived in Sausalito since 1983 – take a moment, first of all, to thank you all for your service. And, you know, it is late in the evening, and so on behalf of everybody here, no rookies among us, and we are thankful to you for your service late into the hour and for taking our comment now because a lot of us are here in hopes that we would be on the agenda tonight. We have a lot of resources in Sausalito that we can all be proud of, the bay, the proximity to San Francisco. in hopes that we would be on the agenda tonight. We have a lot of resources in Sausalito that we can all be proud of. The bay, the proximity to San Francisco, the Golden Gate Bridge, all these wonderful things. And chief among them to me are the residents who have contributed so much to this town. And some of them just spoke before me. And someone like Adam Cravazzi, for example, who's the chair of the Business Advisory Committee, he's got |
| 04:33:01.37 | Unknown | or the residents. |
| 04:33:13.27 | Joe Lemon | a wealth of experience in this area and I think that we owe it to him as the chair of the Business Advisory Committee to heed what his observations are and so I'm hopeful that as you do go home and do this homework that you're mindful of the contributions that we have all played in this, and particularly, you know, people have really contributed a lot over the course of their careers to these important issues. So anyway, a lot has gone into this, and so I just hope that our concerns are, you know, on the top of your mind as you evaluate these priorities. So thank you. |
| 04:33:52.25 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:33:57.40 | Mayor Kelly | Jonathan Goldman, are you awake? |
| 04:34:00.40 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Haan is still a rookie. She hasn't reached her one-year anniversary here yet. |
| 04:34:02.76 | Mayor Kelly | anniversary here, yeah. |
| 04:34:05.95 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | She has already. Oh, my God. Time flies. Oh, my God. All right. You're still a rookie in my mind. |
| 04:34:06.37 | Mayor Kelly | Sorry. |
| 04:34:06.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:34:07.03 | Mayor Kelly | Oh my god, time flies. Oh, my God. I'm still a rookie in my mind. All right. Anybody else? |
| 04:34:12.97 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:34:13.04 | Councilmember Weiner | Ha ha ha. |
| 04:34:13.61 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Ha ha ha. |
| 04:34:14.02 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:34:14.05 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | you |
| 04:34:14.24 | Councilmember Weiner | I'm not. |
| 04:34:14.57 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | All right. |
| 04:34:14.89 | Councilmember Weiner | Hey, anybody else? I'll follow him home tonight. |
| 04:34:18.62 | Mayor Kelly | Anybody else want to say anything else? Okay, bring it back up here. So what's our pleasure? We've got endorsements of these 51 items. I don't think I see anything here that I would throw out in just five seconds, but there probably is something and we'll have a chance to study it. |
| 04:34:39.65 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | There are just a couple of things that I noted that I questioned. What they are, the green energy generation. Can you turn your record? Oh, sorry. |
| 04:34:52.66 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | What is, I need a little more explanation of what the green energy generation is, number 26. |
| 04:34:59.76 | Adam Politzer | THE FAMILY. |
| 04:35:03.04 | Adam Politzer | Let me ask Vice Mayor Leone to mention that |
| 04:35:03.24 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah. |
| 04:35:07.60 | Adam Politzer | mention more about it, but that came out of a lot of the discussions during marine clean energy about what PG&E wasn't offering, which was if you put solar on your municipal buildings, |
| 04:35:17.40 | Jeremy | I'm not. |
| 04:35:21.38 | Adam Politzer | Um... then you're able to generate the clock backwards or the bill backwards or the mechanism backwards to start generating money. So you would sell the power back. to bring clean energy. |
| 04:35:35.03 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 04:35:35.15 | Unknown | clean in. Thank you. |
| 04:35:37.13 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:35:37.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:35:37.63 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I'd have to look at, it wasn't phrased this way last year, but I'd have to look at whatever it was to refresh my memory what this was in the last year's priority to know what this means. But it could well be that. I don't know. |
| 04:35:37.73 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:35:47.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | you |
| 04:35:52.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And then there are a couple of things on here that I question. I'm surprised that it got ranked as high, even if it was. |
| 04:35:52.35 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. I'm surprised that it got ranked this high even if it was. This isn't the, is this the ranking from last year? Alphabetical. Oh, alphabetical. Okay. So there are two. There you go. The P. |
| 04:35:57.01 | Matt Cunn | So, |
| 04:35:57.09 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | There's no there. |
| 04:36:02.15 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Oh, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:36:04.08 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So there are two more each things that we're talking about, and they need to be distinguished. The one that the BAC is proposing, which I know nothing about, and the other one that the RBRA is looking at. And then there's the things like the EPA order ongoing. Should we keep that on? Isn't that now a daily thing that's going to be done no matter what happens? |
| 04:36:35.29 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, we had that same discussion you know, several years now. Uh, But because it's an administrative order, we don't have a choice. So when there are certain thresholds that we have to meet during this five year period. |
| 04:36:49.82 | Matt Cunn | Thank you. |
| 04:36:51.76 | Adam Politzer | THAT, take staff time and we formed a committee which Councilmember Pfeiffer and Councilmember Leon were on. and that set us on our way. We set partnerships. with the two other agencies that we share the lines with. So there are specific things that I think requires this to stay on. because it's basically a mandate from the EPA and that's one of the criteria and it's unfunded, so we have to figure out how we're going to spend money to satisfy the EPA's |
| 04:37:22.90 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Oh. |
| 04:37:24.01 | Adam Politzer | order on us. |
| 04:37:24.86 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Okay. |
| 04:37:25.40 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 04:37:25.41 | Adam Politzer | Because if we don't, then the fines become very significant. |
| 04:37:26.07 | Mayor Kelly | Bye. |
| 04:37:26.09 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Bye. |
| 04:37:26.10 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | If it sounds like. |
| 04:37:26.97 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 04:37:27.03 | Mayor Kelly | I'm very significant. What is number 37? |
| 04:37:38.71 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I don't remember what it was phrased. Some of these were phrased differently, I think. |
| 04:37:44.08 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 04:37:46.73 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Debbie. |
| 04:37:48.03 | Mayor Kelly | Are you about to speak, Jeremy? |
| 04:37:50.07 | Jeremy | So right now, so number 37, municipal code amendment to lower the threshold for requiring the undergrounding of overhead utilities. |
| 04:37:51.64 | Mayor Kelly | Uh, Is that lilies? |
| 04:37:55.97 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Right. |
| 04:37:59.21 | Jeremy | And so right now the threshold for undergrounding overhead utilities is if you modify the main electrical panel on your residence or business, then you need to underground the utilities. This one was suggested by the Planning Commission and that there should be other activities that, for example, approval of a condominium project. That's an opportunity where we can get into utility issues. We can say if you want to condominiumize your duplex or your triplex, that's an action that would also trigger underground overhead utilities. |
| 04:38:10.62 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | uh, |
| 04:38:10.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:38:33.67 | Unknown | I get it. |
| 04:38:45.10 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | you Okay. |
| 04:38:48.27 | Jeremy | And there may be other actions also. That's the condominium one that comes to mind. |
| 04:38:54.07 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Number 38, the municipal code update on target. Thank you. Again, I question if that isn't a routine thing that we're just going through. Are we paying extra for this or? Yes. Do you mean the consultant? |
| 04:39:07.37 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Yes. The thing is if we're going to add things over to daily responsibilities, there's going to be less ability to have special projects. You still have the same number of people. So whatever their time is going to, it's going to. So you either have to take the number down from whatever the line is to a smaller number of special projects if you move it over to my daily responsibility, or you have to leave it as a special project because time is time. |
| 04:39:32.48 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, well, we'd have fewer projects, but whatever. I mean, yes. |
| 04:39:36.83 | Mayor Kelly | So the Planning Commission has ranked ordered 32 projects. Who asked them to do that? |
| 04:39:37.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:39:42.15 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Who asked them? |
| 04:39:43.18 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | THE FAMILY. |
| 04:39:43.25 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I'm sorry. |
| 04:39:44.90 | Mayor Kelly | And so how does that tie into this? Some of them are the same, some of them are not. |
| 04:39:45.19 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Nice. |
| 04:39:46.42 | Adam Politzer | So... |
| 04:39:46.79 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Is that a... Thank you. |
| 04:39:48.02 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 04:39:48.33 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:39:49.78 | Adam Politzer | So we've asked all the boards and commissions to participate. |
| 04:39:54.72 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:39:54.86 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | That's a rank they thought was important. |
| 04:39:56.56 | Adam Politzer | That's a whole other staff. Yeah. So staff took from that list items that we thought should be considered. And so that's why it's on there. And I know that the city attorney wanted to comment on the municipal code update. |
| 04:39:56.88 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:39:58.40 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Yeah. So staff |
| 04:40:07.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:07.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:07.75 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:40:14.42 | Adam Politzer | But to respond to that on a different version, is that we haven't ever updated it because we didn't even make it a priority. And we didn't make it a priority because we didn't have the staff |
| 04:40:22.40 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Ah. |
| 04:40:22.97 | Adam Politzer | to focus on it so that's why it came on this list and I think we're |
| 04:40:28.32 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Okay. |
| 04:40:28.71 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:40:28.84 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 04:40:30.35 | Adam Politzer | who are on target because we continue to move that ball forward. |
| 04:40:34.50 | Mary Wagner | And this is a little bit of a misnomer because it's really the recodification and Um... Digitization. Yeah, and creating an online document through a company that's going to be an incredibly useful tool, not only for staff, but for the community. And it's getting it to the point where we turn it over to them. |
| 04:40:41.25 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Did you? I did. |
| 04:40:42.12 | Georg Kramer | Thank you. I'm free. |
| 04:40:44.33 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 04:40:44.35 | Georg Kramer | Thank you. |
| 04:40:44.37 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | on the |
| 04:40:44.45 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | through uh |
| 04:40:51.44 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 04:40:55.74 | Mary Wagner | Finally. They, you know, we've Debbie has spent a significant amount of time responding to their questions. The zoning code update really came out as a spin-off of this because one of the things we asked was for all the departments to let us know. |
| 04:41:07.15 | Unknown | I love you. |
| 04:41:12.28 | Mary Wagner | what you want to have changed in the code so it can all get implemented at one time. Once it's completely recodified and online through this company, the day-to-day ordinances getting shipped off of them won't be a priority calendar item anymore. and it will be an incredible tool that I keep pushing for very hard to keep on this list and to get done because I think everybody will benefit from it. |
| 04:41:37.31 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Me too. |
| 04:41:38.00 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:41:38.03 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:41:38.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:41:38.18 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:41:38.32 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:41:38.33 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:41:38.35 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Ports number 45, Shoreline Restoration Protection and Habitat Creation Program. |
| 04:41:45.91 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | That is doing just that. |
| 04:41:49.81 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Where? Where? MR. Doing short. |
| 04:41:50.89 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | doing short in the city of Sausalito. |
| 04:41:52.04 | Mayor Kelly | This is. |
| 04:41:52.39 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | of Sausalito. Thank you. the whole thing? |
| 04:41:54.50 | Mayor Kelly | I'm sorry about that. |
| 04:41:55.50 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Yes. |
| 04:41:55.88 | Mayor Kelly | Bye. I don't know. |
| 04:41:56.00 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 04:41:56.04 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:41:56.05 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Thank you. |
| 04:41:56.07 | Mayor Kelly | Bye. |
| 04:41:56.15 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | No, that's what it is. It's restoring the shoreline. It does happen. Jonathan has done a couple of these smaller projects, so it's allocating the idea of allocating funds and or staff time to do that. |
| 04:41:56.22 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | I don't know. |
| 04:41:56.29 | Mayor Kelly | That's what it is. It's restoring me shortly. |
| 04:42:07.99 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Oh, okay. Thank you. |
| 04:42:09.49 | Mayor Kelly | Where is it? |
| 04:42:13.86 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | We've done some, we made some proposals. We haven't gotten the funding for it yet, where we've, but anywhere where we're doing a shoreline project, |
| 04:42:14.87 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:42:22.60 | Adam Politzer | Well, Galley Harbor is a good example. With the restoration there, the dogpath that people were wearing at Mono Marsh. |
| 04:42:26.21 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Oh, the Mono Marsh is one. We did. Jonathan spent time with that right here across the street. So it's just getting up there as an awareness. That is the kind of thing we should do. I'm not saying, debating it right now, but that's what it is. |
| 04:42:27.91 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:42:27.97 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:28.03 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:42:32.76 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:32.91 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:42:32.93 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:32.96 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:42:32.98 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:32.99 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:42:33.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:33.16 | Adam Politzer | It's just... |
| 04:42:33.65 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:42:33.67 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:33.74 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:42:33.75 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:33.77 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:42:33.87 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:42:33.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:43.39 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Okay, time to go home. |
| 04:42:44.77 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Yeah, I agree. Let's move on. Let's use this and loop. |
| 04:42:48.81 | Mayor Kelly | So are you satisfied with the output of this counsel? No. |
| 04:42:50.93 | Unknown | No. |
| 04:42:54.47 | Adam Politzer | . Sometimes you just can't ask my people. So here's the key step that happens next and why this is important to try to limit this to the 52 items. |
| 04:42:55.27 | Unknown | Sometimes you just can't ask my people. |
| 04:43:05.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:43:06.08 | Unknown | I can't do it. |
| 04:43:06.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:43:06.69 | Adam Politzer | on here. Is that now staff will go back, as you remember in the process, and they will tell you how much time it will take. you how much money it may cost if we do have to use a consultant. |
| 04:43:17.04 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Yeah, you're skipping the step. So we didn't agree that that's the list. We just talked about the list. We didn't say. But for us to do our next. |
| 04:43:22.89 | Adam Politzer | But for us to do our next step, to come back on May 1st, you have to tell us that you're not going to add any more than X number. |
| 04:43:27.08 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | but you might have to win. You have to tell us |
| 04:43:34.64 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 04:43:34.67 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:43:34.69 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Reflexing our muscles up here. You hear it being flexed? |
| 04:43:34.76 | Adam Politzer | Reflected. |
| 04:43:36.36 | Mayor Kelly | I think you should be proactive in this role. You should go ahead and do what you just said you would do on those 52. So we're at least ahead of the game on those 52. If more stuff shows up. Well, just deal with it. But in the meantime, If you don't do that, then it'll be another delay. So why don't you do that to the 52? |
| 04:43:58.84 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | You two are the only people you can tell what to do. So we want to go home. I am happy. |
| 04:44:01.22 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:44:01.25 | Adam Politzer | I am happy to entertain your requests. |
| 04:44:06.41 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 04:44:06.43 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | We wouldn't have new items to show. But I would tell you... |
| 04:44:08.79 | Adam Politzer | But I will tell you... Order, we're getting really soon. But I'll tell you at the end of the day, at the end of the day, when we get to this May 17th meeting or whatever that date of that meeting in May is, I heard we had a special meeting on the 22nd. But when we have that third meeting, |
| 04:44:12.20 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | But I'll tell you at the end of the day, |
| 04:44:14.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:44:26.87 | Adam Politzer | You guys will have ranked it. So I, you know, staff is, I think we are being proactive right now telling you we don't think that there should be anything more than. what's on this list. based on what we already know that's either already started and they're above the line. |
| 04:44:44.33 | Mayor Kelly | As of this five minutes, there isn't anything more on that list. There may be something more on it, but that's just a little anxiety rule. Why don't you go straight ahead and do your. |
| 04:44:48.15 | Adam Politzer | They're mixed. |
| 04:44:54.05 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | to... We're on the list of elected officials. We have to put stuff on the list. |
| 04:44:59.10 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 04:45:00.04 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. . THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:45:00.97 | Mayor Kelly | I |
| 04:45:01.87 | Councilmember Weiner | I'm not. |
| 04:45:02.19 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:45:02.37 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:45:02.56 | Mayor Kelly | That's about the truest statement we've made all night. |
| 04:45:03.03 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:45:03.05 | Councilmember Weiner | That's about the truest statement. all night. Reminder that meetings do not go into the next day. Right. Yes. Okay. |
| 04:45:11.82 | Mayor Kelly | Right. Yes. Okay. So, is there a... That being said, you've got enough from us. No, he doesn't have what he wants. Just don't ask him. |
| 04:45:17.20 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:45:17.24 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | No, he doesn't have what he wants. Just don't ask anymore. He's just going to ask. You're looking for approval you're not going to get. |
| 04:45:19.75 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah. |
| 04:45:19.97 | Lillie Shinsing | THE END OF I'm not going to be a |
| 04:45:20.61 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:45:20.63 | Lillie Shinsing | Thank you. |
| 04:45:20.65 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | I'm sorry. |
| 04:45:20.68 | Lillie Shinsing | Sure. |
| 04:45:20.85 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | You're not going to get it. |
| 04:45:22.06 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. All right, item seven, the manager information |
| 04:45:24.33 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:45:24.36 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Imagine. |
| 04:45:25.03 | Adam Politzer | Oh, yeah. |
| 04:45:25.49 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 04:45:25.52 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:45:25.56 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Yeah. |
| 04:45:25.73 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:45:26.03 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:45:26.05 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:45:26.18 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | So |
| 04:45:26.79 | Mayor Kelly | Oh. |
| 04:45:26.94 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. |
| 04:45:27.08 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. You guys forget that I'm a parent of three children, so I debate all day long. And I don't lose very often. |
| 04:45:27.78 | Mayor Kelly | FORGIN. |
| 04:45:33.44 | Mayor Kelly | And they don't lose very often. |
| 04:45:34.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:45:34.87 | Councilmember (likely Leon) | Thank you. |
| 04:45:34.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:45:35.02 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. I think we resemble that. |
| 04:45:36.81 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Bye. Okay, city manager's report, I will defer that to your pleasure for any questions that you may have with me. |
| 04:45:45.74 | Mayor Kelly | Uh, |
| 04:45:45.98 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:45:47.60 | Adam Politzer | The main thing is that, as you are aware, We are in the full budget. process right now and The department heads are meeting with the Finance Committee And we'll be bringing those forward to the council for their review in the very near future. but we will have a heavy load at the next council meetings. with items that will take a considerable amount of time. So we'll do our best to make the staff reports concise and effective and the reports to the council equally effective. So we ask that you folks come prepared and ask your questions ahead of time as fast as possible. But the questions that have been asked this evening have all been very beneficial. both to the staff and I think also to the community that maybe with some of these same questions. |
| 04:46:38.39 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Anything else on the agenda that anybody needs to address? |
| 04:46:42.88 | Councilmember Ford | I have one withdrawal from ABAG. |
| 04:46:44.55 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 04:46:48.90 | Councilmember Ford | as a future agenda item? I support that one. And I would add that we need to put that on like the next one because to get in before the end of the fiscal year, we would have to vote on it before June 30th. |
| 04:46:52.60 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And... Thank you. I would add that |
| 04:47:07.87 | Councilmember Ford | Yeah. |
| 04:47:08.43 | Unknown | Okay, well, let's... |
| 04:47:10.44 | Councilmember Ford | So... you |
| 04:47:12.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:47:12.83 | Councilmember Ford | Do we have consensus on that? |
| 04:47:12.88 | Unknown | Do we have consensus on that? |
| 04:47:14.50 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:47:14.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:47:14.74 | Councilmember Weiner | to a function of |
| 04:47:15.63 | Councilmember Ford | Do we have consensus on that? Putting it at least on the agenda? |
| 04:47:15.67 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:47:15.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:47:19.87 | Councilmember Ford | Should I make a motion? |
| 04:47:20.95 | Mayor Kelly | Well, it's going to take a bunch of staff time. It's going to chew up a lot of things. |
| 04:47:24.07 | Councilmember Ford | Well, just call Corte Madera and find out the person calling him. |
| 04:47:26.15 | Mayor Kelly | What is important about quitting it now versus later? |
| 04:47:29.74 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | We can't discuss this. Thank you. |
| 04:47:33.55 | Mayor Kelly | I don't support putting it on now. I mean, I'll put it down the road a piece, but I don't think there's – if you quit, you quit. You can quit as long as you want to quit. |
| 04:47:33.59 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I, I, |
| 04:47:43.22 | Mayor Kelly | There's no Magical |
| 04:47:44.32 | Councilmember Ford | magical No, not for this RENA cycle. I was told that we needed to, Corte Madera specifically said, we needed to make a decision before June 30th. |
| 04:47:51.26 | Mayor Kelly | make a decision before June 30th. My personal view, and I talked to somebody I think who knows that it doesn't matter when you quit ABAG. If you think you're going to get out of the arena by quitting ABAG, I think that's a false |
| 04:48:07.17 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I think it's a year after that, after you quit. So I think that's where it comes in. |
| 04:48:12.30 | Councilmember Ford | I think that to the next one. So I move to put withdrawal from ABAC on the agenda prior to June 30th. |
| 04:48:16.85 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:48:16.91 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Bye. |
| 04:48:16.97 | Mayor Kelly | . |
| 04:48:17.11 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | . |
| 04:48:20.84 | Mayor Kelly | The agenda setting committee will take it under advisement. |
| 04:48:26.41 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:48:26.46 | Councilmember Ford | Is there a second? |
| 04:48:26.96 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Second. I second it. If Jeremy can do it. I think we need to do it. We need to. |
| 04:48:31.77 | Councilmember Ford | I don't know. |
| 04:48:31.86 | Mayor Kelly | think we need to do it well we need okay motion a second call roll |
| 04:48:35.45 | Councilmember Ford | So, |
| 04:48:39.97 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 04:48:45.73 | Debbie | Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 04:48:46.49 | Councilmember Ford | Yes. |
| 04:48:46.72 | Debbie | Thank you. Four. Thank you. |
| 04:48:49.34 | Councilmember Ford | Yeah. |
| 04:48:49.66 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | you |
| 04:48:49.71 | Councilmember Ford | you Oh, |
| 04:48:51.80 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 04:48:57.37 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | I think we have very many things to do. This is not the time for this one. |
| 04:49:03.14 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 04:49:03.24 | Councilmember (likely Pfeiffer or another councilmember) | Thank you. No. |
| 04:49:05.56 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, I have one more future agenda item. We really need to populate the Trees and Views Committee. So could we interview people? Sure. Next time? Sure. Okay. There's some candidates. Yeah. Yeah, there are some candidates. There are a couple. |
| 04:49:17.84 | Councilmember (likely Leon or Pfeiffer) | Okay. Great. Thank you. |
| 04:49:20.53 | Councilmember Ford | Yeah. And Mr. Mayor, that reminded me, if I could, Mr. Mayor, the action you gave me for the |
| 04:49:27.28 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | The ad. |
| 04:49:31.41 | Councilmember Ford | Arts Commission. Actually, I have a copy of the original, you know, Arts Commission proposal and would like to submit this as a future agenda item for the Council to review and approve as the basis of the next Arts Commission. |
| 04:49:52.15 | Mayor Kelly | as the Can you put it in a memo and send it to them? Thank you. |
| 04:49:56.59 | Councilmember Ford | Yes. |
| 04:49:57.08 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 04:50:02.54 | Councilmember Ford | I second. |
Yoshi Tomai — In Favor: Business owner; presented a self-restriction policy for employee parking on Caledonia Street to free up spaces for customers, listing supporting businesses. ▶ 📄
John McCoy — In Favor: Business owner; supported solutions, suggested better signage and employee parking permits, and thanked police for collaboration. ▶ 📄
Elizabeth Nebach — In Favor: Business owner; emphasized need for employee parking programs, suggested using the old police building, and requested easing parking enforcement to avoid customer tickets. ▶ 📄
Matt Cunn — In Favor: Business manager; shared a customer letter detailing multiple tickets and loss of business, urging review of parking ticket numbers and improved signage. ▶ 📄
Lily Shahabi — In Favor: Business owner; expressed support for parking solutions and requested city support for small businesses. ▶ 📄
Stefan Bühl — In Favor: Business owner; stated parking is the worst in 11 years, causing customers to leave Sausalito, and asked for city help to solve the problem. ▶ 📄
Maureen McCoy — In Favor: Business owner and resident; noted parking issues affect all businesses, thanked city officials for collaboration, and urged viable solutions. ▶ 📄
John Conley — Neutral: Business owner; announced SunSail's move to Sausalito, expressed concerns about its scale and impact on the skyline, and pledged to provide updates. ▶ 📄
Vasco Moreson — In Favor: Treasurer of Portuguese Hall; updated on sister city efforts with Cascais, requested official sanction and authorization to execute a twinning agreement, and invited council to a conference. ▶ 📄
Vicki Nichols — In Favor: Resident; supported business parking solutions, shared experience of tickets, and requested resident inclusion in any committee formed to address parking. ▶ 📄
Heather Richard — Neutral: Representative of Cass Gidley Project; announced application for oil spill remediation funds with RBMA as fiscal sponsor, noting deadline of April 26. ▶ 📄