| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:01:12.53 | Mayor Kelly | He's on the board. someplace back on the East Coast. |
| 00:01:14.33 | Jim DeRiemer | I'm going to be just... |
| 00:01:15.07 | Councilmember Ford | you |
| 00:01:22.97 | Mayor Kelly | Yep. All right, I'd like to call the meeting of the city council to order. Debbie, would you please take the roll? |
| 00:01:36.94 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Ford. |
| 00:01:38.51 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:01:38.53 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | here. |
| 00:01:38.87 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Weiner. |
| 00:01:40.17 | Councilmember Weiner | President, |
| 00:01:41.57 | Debbie (Clerk) | Vice Mayor Leone. |
| 00:01:43.12 | Councilmember Weiner | here. |
| 00:01:44.12 | Debbie (Clerk) | Mayor Kelly. |
| 00:01:45.03 | Mayor Kelly | here. |
| 00:01:45.09 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. And Councilmember Pfeiffer. Here. Thank you. For everyone's information, Councilmember Pfeiffer is participating via telephone. So if you could keep the noise to a minimum, it will be less feedback on her. |
| 00:02:07.03 | Vice Mayor Leone | All right, let's see. Could I use my cell phone from the car? |
| 00:02:12.65 | Councilmember Ford | I'm sorry. |
| 00:02:14.05 | Mayor Kelly | No. Let me see. Mike Monsef, would you give us the Pledge of Allegiance? Lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. |
| 00:02:25.83 | Councilmember Ford | to the fire of the United States. Thank you. |
| 00:02:36.06 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:02:39.82 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you, Mike. All right, the council met in closed session to discuss employee organizations and labor negotiations and gave direction to our negotiators. Is there any member of the public who would like to comment on that item, on that closed session item? All right, seeing none, we'll move on. need approval of the agenda. motion. |
| 00:03:11.50 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I move we approve the agenda. |
| 00:03:13.81 | Councilmember Weiner | second. |
| 00:03:14.94 | Mayor Kelly | All in favor? Aye. Oh, we'll call because |
| 00:03:15.70 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 00:03:15.71 | Councilmember Weiner | All right. |
| 00:03:16.24 | Debbie (Clerk) | Oh. Thank you. call because a lot of people |
| 00:03:17.86 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 00:03:17.97 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. Thank you. Go for it. |
| 00:03:19.51 | Mayor Kelly | Go for it. |
| 00:03:20.03 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 00:03:20.47 | Debbie (Clerk) | Council member Ford. |
| 00:03:24.83 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Here. |
| 00:03:26.06 | Debbie (Clerk) | I mean, yes or no. What? Approval of agenda. Oh. I wondered. |
| 00:03:27.69 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | What? Oh. we were taking roll call again. Yes, yes. |
| 00:03:38.56 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Weiner. Thank you. |
| 00:03:39.71 | Councilmember Weiner | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:03:39.88 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 00:03:39.95 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:03:39.96 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. Vice Mayor Leone. |
| 00:03:41.99 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:03:42.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:42.14 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:03:42.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:42.32 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:03:42.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:43.62 | Debbie (Clerk) | Mayor Kelly. Thank you. |
| 00:03:44.55 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. |
| 00:03:44.89 | Debbie (Clerk) | Thank you. Councilmember Pfeiffer. |
| 00:03:47.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 00:03:48.55 | Mayor Kelly | All right. We have one business item on our agenda this evening, which is the housing element update. Second submittal for HCD review. The way this meeting will be conducted this evening is that we will first ask for a staff Thank you. and our staff will give report and then the council itself will ask questions of staff And concluding that, we will then open for public comment. And we have a lot of people here this evening, so we're going to try to accommodate everybody Um, And I'll say more about that when we open the public comments Um, And during that time, M Group will listen carefully, and if there are questions to be asked, they will write them down. And then, Following the closure of public comment, M Group will address the questions that they were able to discern from the various individuals. And at that point, the meeting, the council itself will weigh in and each council member will have an opportunity to speak. And the meeting will give direction and the meeting will close. All right. So let's start with the staff report. I'd like to introduce. Jeff Bradley and Karen Hong, who are with the M Group, who are consultants who have been working with us for, I guess, almost a year now or more on the preparation of our housing element. So Jeff. |
| 00:05:13.06 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you, Mayor Kelly, members of the council. Jeff Bradley with Metropolitan Planning Group. |
| 00:05:22.92 | Jeff Bradley | First off, for the benefit of the folks who have joined us tonight, we'd like to say we've heard loud and clear from the community about some of the details of our recommendations, and as a result, we've made adjustments to our presentation tonight. We try to be good listeners. |
| 00:05:47.05 | Jeff Bradley | My presentation is divided into two parts, part one and part two. First part is quick overview of where we are in the overall housing element process. And part two is revisions proposed to get us over the hurdle with HCD leading to certifications. |
| 00:06:13.24 | Jeff Bradley | It only feels like a year, Mayor Kelly. October, so a little less. But the city staff and the council and the task force has been working on this project since 2009 with over 50 community meetings, task force meetings, planning commission meetings, and council meetings, of course. Most recently, we had our 60-day HCD review period. Jeff, would you say who HCD is? |
| 00:06:44.96 | Mayor Kelly | the |
| 00:06:45.03 | Jeff Bradley | Sure. ACD is a department of the state of California, Department of Housing and Community Development that oversees the housing element process and administers the various state statutes that regulate housing element certification process. |
| 00:07:01.42 | Vice Mayor Leone | Maybe before you dive into this, maybe just explain what Thank you. how the process, who's with the whole process? So people don't know a lot about this. |
| 00:07:12.05 | Jeff Bradley | Sure. For folks syncing up with this process for the first time, big picture, 35,000 feet every seven years or so, every city, every county in the state of California is required to both adopt the housing element locally by their council or board of supervisors, and that second step is required certification by this Housing and Community Development Department out of Sacramento. And so each jurisdiction is assigned sort of a fair share housing quota, it used to be called. Some of the terminology is moving around more recently. But essentially every city and county receives a number, and that And your planning number, planning target in terms of the amount of housing that you need to plan for within your community. Not necessarily build, but you need to plan for it. Sometimes the analogy used is setting the table. You need to set the table. You can invite people to the dinner party. You can't force them to come, but you have to create the conditions so that in a reasonable economy and where people are seeking to build in a community, a community can accommodate its fair share of housing at different income levels. set. |
| 00:08:31.56 | Vice Mayor Leone | And what are the sort of hammers and carrots in this forest? |
| 00:08:34.68 | Jeff Bradley | Oh, now we're getting into hammers and carrots. Okay. Thank you, Billy. |
| 00:08:36.64 | Vice Mayor Leone | Okay. |
| 00:08:38.03 | Councilmember Weiner | until he gets some votes. |
| 00:08:40.03 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. So in the past, it was mostly the threat of being on a list of having an uncertified housing element was really the extent of it. Over time, it has evolved into a situation where cities without a certified housing element have exposure on different levels. On one level is you don't qualify for grants in certain areas because it's a checkbox item. You have to have your certified housing to qualify for certain grants. So the next level up is your Thank you. you're susceptible to legal challenge across the board because the housing element is part of your general plan. And if your housing element is out of compliance and someone or some group litigates against the jurisdiction, you're responsible not only for paying for that if you lose, there's really not a lot of great defenses that have been developed for not having a certified housing element. So usually the jurisdiction loses and they have to pay both their own attorney fees and the plaintiff's attorney's fees. And also ultimately some of your land use discretion that the council enjoys currently can essentially be taken away. And you might have a judge telling you, rezone that property, rezone that property, let this developer build something. And it calls into question your entire land use program. |
| 00:10:06.03 | Jeff Bradley | So. We made it through the revision period, or excuse me, the comment period from HCD. We received our comments. We're currently... looking at what revisions do we need to make to the element to both live within the spirit of having a low impact strategy that reflects the will of the community and meets the test to be able to have a certified housing element that the council charged us with from the beginning. We're anticipating after we get through this revision process to have both planning, commissioning council, adoption hearings because this is part of your general plan that there's still a formal adoption process that would go through hopefully this summer and then leading to certification by HCD and it's important to get this done in a relatively timely manner because this planning period we're in now ends in July of 2014. So hopefully we'll get something done this summer and we'll have two years left in the planning period. |
| 00:11:14.58 | Jeff Bradley | So as we mentioned, we sent it off in February for review. We had several conference calls with HCD to clarify some technical questions they had to expedite the review and allow them to focus on the more substantive items, not getting a multi-page letter dealing with real technical items. We received our letter exactly on the 60-day mark. And then we have, we've had two task force meetings since then to discuss our revised strategy. We had a planning commission meeting on May 16th. And tonight, obviously, we are in the council meeting. And we do anticipate coming back to you again on June 12th as we continue to work with you and your staff and the community on this. |
| 00:12:12.71 | Jeff Bradley | So there are essentially three different areas of revision. And to highlight, the first area is additional supporting analysis. HCD requested a more detailed analysis on developmental disabilities and extremely low income households. And the second area is the approach towards meeting the RHNA. HCD's recommended approach to meet the RHNA. And for folks who are joining us, the RHNA stands for Regional Housing Needs Assessment. excuse me, allocation, regional housing needs allocation. And that is the number I referred to before that each city or county receives that we plan for. Up till now, the number we had been talking about was the 372 unit number, which was the 1999-2006 cycle and what we call the current cycle, 2007 to 2014. you HCD's recommended approach was to basically look at the first cycle and sort of go back in time and look to see if we could satisfy that number with the zoning in place at that time, plus those units that had already been built. which we were able to show. And so we were essentially able to zero out the first cycle, which was huge. That was good news. There's different ways of doing it. It doesn't happen all the time because you're supposed to go through and do your cycles consecutively, but we were doing two at once. So that allowed us to focus on the current cycle, the 2007 to 2014, which has the 165 units, smaller number. Added bonus, any units we identified in the past, essentially, that allowed us to satisfy the first period, we could carry over into the current period. |
| 00:14:10.88 | Vice Mayor Leone | Do you want to explain why you had to satisfy two cycles in one go-round? here. Some people don't. |
| 00:14:17.80 | Jeff Bradley | sure. Here in Sausalito, we skipped around. We didn't – we got close, I understand, but we didn't adopt or certify a housing element in the 1999 to 2006 cycle. So we didn't So the third area that HCD requested revisions was in program text. And this was a little technical, but generally the areas of revision included distinction between extremely low income and low income levels for liveaboards, the method of reporting the liveaboards, and more details on the fee deferrals and waivers to encourage the provision of affordable housing. |
| 00:15:06.46 | Jeff Bradley | So those were sort of the technical issues that we were able to kind of just clear out. Part two focuses on more of the major issues that ACD had with our draft element. And their main critique was essentially that we were meeting all the numbers, but we were doing it with very, very small project sizes, if you will. Because our inventory basically looked at all the properties within the city and tried to tease out potential development. under the existing zoning standards. And this is standard practice in what we do in every city, small and large. You want to take credit for what you already essentially have on the books. It's not to say property owner or homeowner is under any pressure to do something with that. But it's inherent in the property and in the zoning regulation of the city. So there's no point in not doing it. But given that, because of the size of Sausalito, the size of the parcels, the size of the number of units coming out of these theoretical projects, they felt it was insufficient to encourage multifamily development. The ADU numbers they felt were too high. The documentation of liveaboards they wanted to make sure was achievable. and they wanted some more analysis and clarity in terms of the design review, qualitative standards. |
| 00:16:53.78 | Jeff Bradley | So in response to that, what we brought back to the task force and the planning commission was essentially changes to five of our 20 programs. So the housing element has |
| 00:17:00.39 | Councilmember Ford | Yeah. |
| 00:17:06.76 | Jeff Bradley | information in it, but the core of it from a policy point of view is the programs. We have 20 of those and we're recommending changes to five of them. And through those changes, there's also some follow-on changes to the site inventory itself and the chart that we show how we're meeting the total housing. And HCD also wanted some maps. So we included some maps. I'll be talking about Program 8 specifically, which is what most people are here for. That's the mixed-use program. |
| 00:17:47.81 | Jeff Bradley | and generally the task force and planning commission was okay with the these proposed changes |
| 00:18:03.68 | Jeff Bradley | So really to understand where we're coming from under the mixed use strategy, You kind of have to dive a little bit into where HCD was coming from. |
| 00:18:15.00 | Councilmember Weiner | At this time here, why don't you kind of tell us a little about M Group and how many cities you have represented and any around here. I'd like you to – there's a lot of people here that probably don't know. |
| 00:18:28.75 | Jeff Bradley | You're really throwing me off my script now. I know. |
| 00:18:30.42 | Councilmember Weiner | Oh, wow. I've been known to do that. |
| 00:18:31.05 | Jeff Bradley | you |
| 00:18:32.53 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:18:32.55 | Jeff Bradley | Okay. |
| 00:18:32.99 | City Manager Politzer | Jeff and respectfully to Councilmember Weiner, if we can save the questions, let them get through the presentation and a lot of information and obviously the public is here to make comments. I think it would be helpful. Let them get through this and then Council will have the opportunity to ask questions. |
| 00:18:33.09 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:18:40.48 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. |
| 00:18:46.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:46.32 | Jeff Bradley | as a |
| 00:18:49.80 | Jeff Bradley | Okay. Thank you. You went away with that one. We did boil down our 45 slide planning commission presentation. We boiled down to about a dozen slides. So I'm getting there. |
| 00:18:51.99 | Councilmember Ford | I'm going away with that one. |
| 00:19:03.94 | Jeff Bradley | So previously we mentioned the additional measures to promote multifamily development in multifamily zones. Similarly, we were asked to show how residential development would be promoted in mixed-use districts to address the affordable housing needs of families, which HCD believes is not adequately addressed through live awards and ADUs. We pushed back on this and we said, hey, come on, look at our demographics. Half of our people are single-person households. Our strategies actually reflect what the community is. And the remainder of the households who aren't single person households are still small households. 1.6 persons is the average household size. So we don't have a huge demand for large family units. But in... ATD's attempt to cover the gamut of statutes in this area, they have a category where you have to show that you're providing for a variety of housing types, which typically means different size units. So that's kind of the area that we're dealing with here. Additionally, ACD questioned the feasibility of developing affordable housing on our inventory of small sites, as I mentioned, and suggested rezoning of sites for multifamily parcels, which we've tried to avoid from the get-go. And then to put a point on it, they felt our plan overall was lacking in opportunities for two or three bedroom units for families. |
| 00:20:38.29 | Jeff Bradley | So in terms of options to address these issues, We've heard all these before as we've worked on this project, as these issues have come back, and we've struggled with them in different ways. So obviously, you could go out and rezone sites for multi-unit housing. There are certain requirements for that in terms of the size of the project. It has to be a 16-unit project, et cetera. We've done everything we can to avoid that. We could modify the existing zoning regulations to encourage two and three bedroom units, which is a part of our strategy for the mixed use development program eight. . Thank you. Thank you. And then there's got to be other options out there. Just since the last week or so, we've started getting feedback from the community and planning commissioners and task force members were starting to get more ideas. And so I'm hopeful that the creativity and the intelligence of the people in this room can help us come up with ideas that we haven't even thought of yet. |
| 00:21:44.15 | Jeff Bradley | So now we're getting into the thick of the program that has caused the most consternation and serious concern within the community. And we were calling this the mixed-use opportunity incentives because within Sausalito, almost within all your commercial zones, there's four of them, three of them allow residential on the upper floors with a use permit. So that's in your zoning code right now. And so the thought was, how can we sort of leverage that and use that to create some... Essentially, within those commercial zones without entirely changing the character of the commercial zones in Sausalito, which are very small, integrated with the residential areas and serve those areas very well, as well as the So the idea was to create a set of incentives to enhance feasibility on identified sites, not all the sites, not an entire zone, but only four sites, which is about 3% of all the parcels within your commercial zones that have that minimum capacity of six units. In terms of where the six units came from, it's a very small number. in terms of arguing that a six unit project is financially feasible for an affordable housing development from a statewide perspective. But we had local examples we could appoint to, very small projects, six, eight, nine units that were successfully developed right here in Sausalito by nonprofits. So that became our cutoff criteria. And with that as a criteria, we only came up with four sites. And these sites were selected simply because of their size, and they were able to support the six unit cutoff. And they're within one of those commercial zones that currently allow residential on the upper floors. In terms of a maximum unit, it is possible |
| 00:23:53.55 | Jeff Bradley | two of the sites allow eight units and two of the sites allow six units. It is possible with the state density bonus, which is state law, it's been around for a long time, this isn't a new thing. The eight units could pop up to 11 if someone were to take advantage of the state density bonus law, and the six units could pop up to nine. which looks more like a 50% increase, whereas the state density law maxed out 35%, but you have to round up for any fraction of a unit, so 8.1 becomes 9. |
| 00:24:33.51 | Jeff Bradley | And so using that analysis, it just so happened we wound up with two on 2nd Street on the southern part of town. So, you know, I'd like to say it was an attempt at geographical parity, but it was just a result of the the filters that we applied to the process. |
| 00:25:02.62 | Jeff Bradley | This slide's a little packed with information, but this is simply all the existing development standards in the CN1 zone, which both, all these properties are in. And so while This proposal basically tries, well, it has to live within because a lot of these are locked in by the fair traffic initiative. We couldn't change them if we wanted to. So the only sort of tweak that was proposed was to not require ground floor commercial, which is the current requirement. You can do residential on the upper floors, but not on the ground floor. And the thinking there is that for these very small projects, by the introduction of a commercial element, no matter how small, it makes it non-feasible from an affordable housing point of view. So it's a small project to begin with, and you add that commercial component, it uses up FAR, which is a fixed at 50%, and it makes the projects very, very difficult to be feasible even on paper. |
| 00:26:14.06 | Jeff Bradley | So to repeat what I said at the beginning, we've received dozens of emails, letters, petition, staff has forwarded all that information to us as it was coming in. So we got a real feel for the reaction we've created. And so just to repeat what we feel the community concerns are with our proposal, specifically within the 2nd Street neighborhood, Old Town, is that this proposal with these two sites would eliminate neighborhood serving commercial. would have potential view impacts, potential parking and bicycle problems, traffic and safety issues on 2nd Street with all those folks pulling off the bridge, coming down the hill through the funnel, as I've heard it described. Impacts on the sewer system, which is obviously... taxed out. Construction impacts if these projects were to go to that stage. Changes to the neighborhood character that people have bought into and come to love. Some concern about low income housing in the neighborhood. Not as much of that as we get in some other cities. I think most people were focused more just the physical change to the environment, regardless of the specific residents that might live there. Concern over reasons for selecting these sites. and other potential impacts are not anticipated at this time. |
| 00:27:59.70 | Jeff Bradley | So at this point, really asking and recommending and requesting really that the council provide direction to your city staff and us as consultants as well to explore all options to get us to our goal of a certified housing element that works for the city and the community members. and focus on those HCD concerns of providing those larger multifamily units that could support slightly larger families and continue this item to June 12th of next month. |
| 00:28:38.48 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you. Any questions of the council? Jeff? |
| 00:28:50.66 | Councilmember Weiner | Jeff, why don't you... Oh, okay, go ahead. |
| 00:28:54.97 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:28:58.34 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. Council Member Ford? I have two questions regarding the larger units for low-income housing. And the first is that it seems that there's a lack of awareness that we have families living aboard our, living on liveaboards in our marinas and Galalloway Harbor. And my question is, can we factor this into our our accommodations and thereby lower the numbers for larger units elsewhere in town? |
| 00:28:59.57 | Councilmember Ford | That's a member for it. |
| 00:29:39.72 | Jeff Bradley | I like to say there's good news and bad news in regards to the numbers. And the good news is we're kind of past the numbers because technically we've met all the numerical requirements of having a certain number of units in different categories. |
| 00:29:55.04 | Unknown | in Canada. |
| 00:29:57.37 | Jeff Bradley | The bad news is, we're past the numbers and now it's more of a subjective analysis of, okay, looking at the totality of what's required of the housing element, are we providing a variety of housing types? Because HCD could very easily say, you know, we've gone as far as we're going to go with live awards. You know, it's very innovative and it's only been done once or twice before and you guys have a lot of them. They're essentially looking for you some normal type housing development opportunities. Because we have lots of ADUs, we have lots of liveaboards. I mean, just from Sacramento's perspective. I think it's a well-balanced approach, personally. We have these little tiny infill sites scattered all around. |
| 00:30:38.19 | Councilmember Ford | So I can be able to do that. |
| 00:30:38.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:30:39.22 | Councilmember Ford | Yes |
| 00:30:44.18 | Unknown | We had these. |
| 00:30:46.64 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 00:30:46.66 | Councilmember Ford | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:30:47.72 | Jeff Bradley | And we have some mixed use. opportunities with or without the revisions that we've floated most recently. And so they're saying, okay, Where are your sites? Where is someone actually going to come in? Build something. |
| 00:31:02.42 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well... I think then my question would be have we stressed the uniqueness of Sausalito and the fact that it's not a normal, per se, coastal town. And given the fact that we've been asked by HCD and the League of Women Voters and other advocacy groups to provide for low-income families I think that we should certainly I would request, if you think it is at all feasible, that we say, look, we have low income housing for families on our liveaboards and have them factor that into their into their thinking. The second question I have about the larger units the two and three bedroom units is is it possible to give incentives to apartment owners who have two or three bedroom units so that those could be declared affordable housing |
| 00:32:19.88 | Jeff Bradley | Converting existing market rate housing of that size we're talking about into affordable deed restricted long term housing? |
| 00:32:22.31 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Existing. Existing. |
| 00:32:26.38 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:32:26.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 00:32:31.46 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 00:32:33.23 | Jeff Bradley | Yes, there... Thank you. There are programs to do that. Unfortunately, they typically require large amounts of cash, typically associated with a redevelopment agency, which don't exist anymore, and Sausalito never had one to begin with. So I would be hesitant to recommend... We could definitely... turn over that stone and see if we can find anything, but I wouldn't want to give you positive feedback on that idea at this point. |
| 00:33:04.41 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Go ahead. |
| 00:33:07.16 | Jeff Bradley | Good. |
| 00:33:10.02 | Councilmember Weiner | I just wanted now the background, how many cities people know. |
| 00:33:13.17 | Jeff Bradley | Oh, yes, sir. Thank you. what I call the current cycle, 2007 to 2014 that we're in now, which was actually due in July of 2007 to be certified, we've worked on 10 housing elements. And seven out of those 10 are certified by HCD and three of them are very close to being certified. And for these And for these... special communities that are unique and have extra challenges, we work with a housing element subconsultant to us who is a real specialist in this. This is all she does is housing elements all over the state, and she's done over a hundred of these. And she is a great resource because she is able to really navigate the shoals of all the housing element statute out there, and it's because it's a real maze. But I like to think we have a really good team for dealing with both the intricacies of each city and then dealing with the regulatory system in Sacramento that we have to deal with. |
| 00:34:30.20 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. |
| 00:34:33.23 | Jeff Bradley | Belvedere, Burlingame, Woodside, San Carlos, Sunnyvale, Campbell, Walnut Creek. I'll be leaving out a couple... you |
| 00:34:54.27 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:34:54.29 | Vice Mayor Leone | Linda, do you have any questions? |
| 00:34:55.52 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:34:55.64 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:34:55.97 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | of the |
| 00:34:59.59 | Vice Mayor Leone | It's my job. |
| 00:35:00.24 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Hi, Mr. Mayor, I do have some questions. |
| 00:35:00.99 | Vice Mayor Leone | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:35:06.61 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'm sorry, it's hard to hear. |
| 00:35:08.97 | Mayor Kelly | Linda, it's Mike. Do you have any questions, Jeff? |
| 00:35:14.97 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, I do. So going back to the topic of the multi-family I noticed in the HCD letter, that i know that state law does not dictate the size Um, of units. when they give the RHNA allocation. And I noticed that in the HCD letter, Can you hear me? |
| 00:35:45.28 | Jeff Bradley | Yes. |
| 00:35:46.41 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. I noticed that in the HCB letter that some statements used the phrase, the city must. And then... When it comes to the multi-family piece, The HCDUs. phrase. the city should consider So, I'm going to go ahead and start with the question. to promote a variety of housing types to address housing needs, including housing for large So I guess my question here is, That sounds kind of softball to me. You know, the city should consider adding programs. |
| 00:36:22.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:22.61 | Councilmember Ford | Yeah. |
| 00:36:22.64 | Unknown | Bye. I'm sorry. |
| 00:36:25.63 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Um, Is there a legal requirement for Sausalito. to specifically allow for emerging. you know family housing in in their house in the housing element Or is this just a recommendation from HCD? |
| 00:36:47.60 | Jeff Bradley | This is Jeff, Councilmember Pfeiffer. I understand your question. It really has two parts because the on the, the must or the should language, I think HCD is sort of encouraging some program language to support larger unit sizes. But then on page three of the letter, they cite a whole bunch of different government code sections that basically says the subheading is lack of higher density housing. And the text says required jurisdictions to demonstrate the availability of zoning to encourage and facilitate a variety of housing types. So if you gave them actual parcels, with actual multi-family zoning on them, then they would definitely back away on the program stuff, right, because they're getting actual sites. So the sites is sort of a shall, and the program development is a should. And so they're kind of pushing both. at those two different levels, if you will. |
| 00:37:56.86 | Mayor Kelly | Additional questions? Linda? |
| 00:37:59.99 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I... I have another question, Mr. Mayor. |
| 00:38:03.20 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. |
| 00:38:05.16 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So this is the question I've asked before and I'll just ask it again. On the slide it noted that HCD, was concerned that the ADU which, For the benefit of the audience, ADU stands for accessory dwelling units or second unit that the second unit's numbers were too ambitious. And of course HCD mentioned the two-year time frame, you know, for the cycles, I guess, for these ADUs to be developed. And my question is, Um, I don't understand why HCD is requiring that the Second unit. be built within the two year time frame. but not requiring that other near construction housing solutions be constructed within the two-year time frame. |
| 00:39:09.32 | Jeff Bradley | Yeah, that's an interesting question. Essentially with second units, it's always about production. So typically you would look back three or four years and average whatever your unit production was over those three or four years and then project that out into the rest of your time period. For sites, simply having the site available is enough, because your zoning is in place. And I can't explain it any better than that, unfortunately. |
| 00:39:53.09 | Mayor Kelly | Another question? |
| 00:39:57.73 | Mayor Kelly | Linda? |
| 00:39:59.45 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Hang on. Let's see. Yes, I had another question. Um, I know at one point uh, I know that We looked at There are two zones in Sausalito, I guess program number 20 talks about multifamily development and multifamily zones. to encourage two-family and multi-family development. Um, Why didn't this satisfy HCDs request. regarding the large family unit and How many units for large families is HCD requiring or suggesting that fossileto accommodate given that the majority of our households are just one person or accused. |
| 00:41:03.71 | Jeff Bradley | essentially, That strategy about encouraging or requiring properties within the multifamily zone, let's say R3 or R2, as you indicated, even if they are encouraged to develop at their sort of highest and best use, i.e. multifamily rather than single-family, and several units are produced on a site, based on our site analysis, those numbers are still very small, and most of them we've repositioned into the moderate income category |
| 00:41:43.32 | Jeff Bradley | And so that left a void in the very low and low-income category that we're now trying to fill with other strategies |
| 00:41:55.40 | Jeff Bradley | What was the second part of your question? |
| 00:42:02.24 | Jeff Bradley | The number. Yes. The number. |
| 00:42:09.04 | Jeff Bradley | Karen, can you check on the number and the inventory on that? That would be number of multifamily units within the multifamily zones within our inventory. |
| 00:42:23.26 | Vice Mayor Leone | Linda, would you repeat the second part of your question so we can make sure we're answering it? |
| 00:42:31.80 | Vice Mayor Leone | Linda. |
| 00:42:32.14 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'm sorry, the reception is really bad. It's coming in stops and starts. |
| 00:42:40.66 | Mayor Kelly | Linda, they're asking you to repeat the second part of your question. |
| 00:42:46.21 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, the second part was... given that it's my understanding that there is no state, like, statute that Um, dictate specifically the size, how many units of multi-tune Family housing, is HCD requiring San Saludo to build? I mean, if that RENA, what percentage are they expecting this to be? |
| 00:43:15.30 | Jeff Bradley | Well, essentially right now, If you look at our very low and our low income category, you have a total of 75 units as part of the requirement, the RENA. |
| 00:43:29.82 | Jeff Bradley | With our current strategy, we have 45 of those units are on multi-family zone properties or commercial properties that allow residential And then we have. 88 units in liveaboards and second units. So from HCD's perspective, we've sort of maxed out on liveaboards and second units, ADUs, but they feel like we don't have enough Normal units. And so their response to that question would be, slightly more than you have now. And right now, Right now we have over half. So it's definitely a debatable point, and we can continue to push back on that. But I think they are making a good faith effort to work with us. Their goal is the same as ours. They want SOS to have a certified element. They want it to be achievable. They want it to work for the community. But they also want to feel like they've done their level best to make sure they've complied with the statute and have done in a way that's consistent with how they deal with all the other jurisdictions. |
| 00:44:54.80 | Mayor Kelly | Linda, do you have another question? |
| 00:44:58.88 | Unknown | I'm, this is fine for now. |
| 00:45:02.60 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. I'm sorry. |
| 00:45:03.61 | Vice Mayor Leone | for the |
| 00:45:03.83 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:45:05.35 | Vice Mayor Leone | Just a couple questions. At the task force level or at the planning commission or any of the other commercial residential CN1, the CR, CN2, and CC, were those reviewed at all? In addition to this, you know, so Molly, so the Downtown Historic District, Caledonia, and Tommy's Walk, that shopping area there, were any of those considered |
| 00:45:27.84 | Jeff Bradley | Yes, we looked at all the commercial zones that allow residential on the upper floors. We did have one site on Caledonia that was a good candidate based on the metrics that we developed. However, we removed that one from consideration because even without applying the strategy of not requiring ground floor commercial, that site already yielded eight units. So it was already in our inventory sort of holding down that same territory. And we felt it was more advantageous to... pick up other sites in that area in talking to staff has been seeing a lot of activity commercially and the city wanted to allow that to continue and flourish in that area. |
| 00:46:23.19 | Vice Mayor Leone | What the city had done in the last zoning ordinance go revision in 2002 is on Caledonia Street obviously require that all the upper stories were residential and as you ran off your lease as an office occupant, you know, became a residential unit. Is there the thought of new construction versus conversion? They were sort of toying with that, but conversion from office into residential in some of these districts that could be a possibility. Does the state consider that an option because you're sort of trading one intensive use for another? is that, instead of just new construction, is that a possibility as well? So like in the historic district, there's a lot of office use upstairs and some of the other parts along Bridgeway that are some additional opportunities. One of your sites is a conversion from office to residential. Right. |
| 00:47:18.19 | Jeff Bradley | Right. Yeah, I think if we can show that if you had a theoretical building of, say, three stories and it had 12,000 square foot of office, and we could show that it could be converted to six or eight units. I think it could fit within this strategy in a similar fashion. |
| 00:47:42.52 | Vice Mayor Leone | Because even in the CN1 district, in Old Town, there's a lot of office use currently on the upper floors. So I mean, I think that could be a viable option as well. You could debate what the value to the community is of either one, but depending on your point of view, but I think that's something we should consider if that's something the state...we're already sort of proposing that in that one site, so it's something that could be an option without encouraging new construction, just encourage the conversion of use. |
| 00:48:05.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:05.39 | Councilmember Ford | Right. |
| 00:48:05.76 | Unknown | Thank you. I'm going to go. |
| 00:48:06.74 | Councilmember Ford | I'm not sure. |
| 00:48:06.79 | John Vons | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:48:06.95 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:48:14.36 | Vice Mayor Leone | the... I think it would be helpful for people who don't know what affordable means in Marin. That might be a little helpful. I mean, I could just read it off, but I'd rather – people won't believe me, so I'd rather – if you could do it. So where it's all driven off median income, which is very skewed in Marin County, obviously, because we're a very polar county. |
| 00:48:28.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:28.37 | Councilmember Ford | I'm sorry. |
| 00:48:28.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:38.46 | Vice Mayor Leone | And then what moderate, where you start to get into what's deemed affordable and then what actually very low income is considered. Because I think that would be an awakening to some folks. |
| 00:48:45.04 | Jim DeRiemer | Thank you. |
| 00:48:45.09 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:48:45.21 | Jim DeRiemer | Thank you. |
| 00:48:45.31 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:48:49.36 | Jeff Bradley | We have a slide on that. The interesting thing about the income categories is within the last three or four years, the the extremely low income category was created, which goes down to 30% of county median income. And you have to have programs, supportive programs, for folks in that category in terms of their housing needs. But they don't actually have their own arena category. Technically, they fall under the very low in terms of when you're actually counting units because very low is zero to up to 50%. So, I'll see. So, I'm going to go ahead and see. |
| 00:49:42.43 | Jeff Bradley | So you want to start at the top or the bottom? |
| 00:49:44.97 | John Sweeney | but where affordable begins. |
| 00:49:46.50 | Jeff Bradley | Okay. So your median income in Marine County is just over $101,000 a year. Moderate, which is considered a category of affordable housing, |
| 00:49:46.52 | John Sweeney | Thank you. |
| 00:49:59.88 | Jeff Bradley | it goes from 80% of median all the way up to 120%. So it actually goes over the median, but you're still within that moderate income category, which we have programs and units are built around that. The low income category goes from 50% to 80%. So that's between, call that's between, call it 51,000 to 81,000. A very low is 30 to 50 percent of the county median, so that's 30,000 to 51,000. And then the extremely low is just barely over 30,000. |
| 00:50:39.02 | Vice Mayor Leone | So you, in a sense, could qualify for below market rate housing if you made $120,000 in |
| 00:50:46.58 | Jeff Bradley | These numbers are based on a household size of four. Right. So if, yeah, if you, a smaller household would have a slightly smaller number. |
| 00:50:53.24 | Vice Mayor Leone | So, so... Yeah, so I just wanted to make sure that us and them, there's a lot of us in these figures. There's no real them left if you consider all these numbers and what people actually make. So I think that the scare of who might take advantage of some of these programs is somewhat overblown. There's two things that struck me in the in the task force's recommendations and planning commissions. But one was obviously the conversion of lower floor from office to residential. Thank you. my understanding, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, was that the reason for that is the square footage and also maybe some qualifications for state grants or criteria of if you had mixed use it was sort of harder to either pencil out a project or to meet certain state requirements. Is that part of the reasoning for that? |
| 00:52:00.67 | Jeff Bradley | In the nonprofits we talked to, it was mostly just the complicating factor. When you hear the same thing from for-profit developers, the industry is sort of bifurcated. You have commercial people and you have residential people, and very rarely do they actually able to sort of come together and do a mixed-use project, whether it's market rate or affordable. |
| 00:52:24.15 | Councilmember Ford | you |
| 00:52:25.70 | Jeff Bradley | which planners hate to hear because mixed use is what we live for. |
| 00:52:29.01 | Vice Mayor Leone | Right. Thank you. Thank you. As far as affordable rents are, sort of the flip side of this, this is what the household would make. Where do you start to qualify? Where does the rent break down? |
| 00:52:41.22 | Jeff Bradley | It's essentially... |
| 00:52:44.26 | Vice Mayor Leone | $2,000 plus or minus for |
| 00:52:46.86 | Jeff Bradley | It's a percentage of your monthly income, but it includes utilities and taxes if it's an ownership situation, utilities if it's a rental situation. |
| 00:53:00.26 | Vice Mayor Leone | Okay. Um, |
| 00:53:05.17 | Vice Mayor Leone | The other was sort of the exemption from heightened review, which in Sausalito is views, light and air. Sorry Charlotte, I'll get it closer, I promised you. Views, light and air, setbacks, and all kinds of other things. Is the idea there both to make it easier to follow through on an application to completion as well as to get the full bonus criteria to try to meet some of the other requirements? Is that to get the maximum number of units out of a particular site? Is that why that is a problematic Aspect. |
| 00:53:41.87 | Jeff Bradley | I think the unit count is fairly well covered in terms of the city's existing development standards and FAR requirements, floor area ratio, which dictates the maximum amount of square footage you can build on a property, and we're not talking about changing that. The idea of taking a look at avoiding a heightened design review is really just to provide more clarity for someone on the front end to know what are the trigger points for having a successful project in terms of articulation, massing, building footprint, those design parameters you want to know as soon as possible as a project proponent so you can successfully design a project that meets all the city requirements up front and not be hearing about stuff at the 11th hour right before the or at the Planning |
| 00:54:39.84 | Vice Mayor Leone | Okay. So two last questions and then I'll certainly take the mic and then. One of the strategies that was related to the full council of the task force was to not do any major zoning changes in general. But by doing so, it sort of has come back around to what happened in the last cycle where all of a sudden the selected sites were in somewhat close proximity to each other and that freaked out the neighborhood around those projects. In the last cycle everything was the north end and the valley and in the valley there and now it's concentrated on 2nd street and right on bridgeway. So would the And I think the reasoning there was not to have an overlay district that would follow the transit corridor, I think is what the scare, the worry there was. Um, But as a result, it's ended up in somewhat concentrated site selection. it's something to consider. I know it wasn't your marching orders were not to do that, so it's not necessarily your your fault but the that from the outset of this committee, the strategy was to just rely on live-a-boards and ADUs years ago. The states come back and say that you can't rely on ADUs, that's too aggressive. Is that correct? And live-a-boards, you've got to show me what you got and prove to me it exists. So that strategy isn't going to satisfy the state. Is that more or less what you're putting forward here? That you need the third leg of the stool, like here are exact sites where this could happen? |
| 00:56:10.71 | City Staff (Jeremy) | Thank you. |
| 00:56:27.97 | Jeff Bradley | I think we're up to six legs now. |
| 00:56:31.40 | Vice Mayor Leone | Okay. All right. So I think it's, you know, by sort of taking a certain strategy, we've ended up sort of biting ourselves. despite eating our dinner here, |
| 00:56:41.24 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:56:41.29 | Councilmember Ford | All right. |
| 00:56:41.37 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:56:44.82 | Vice Mayor Leone | by not wanting to change zoning, we ended up sort of changing zoning by taking out ground floor use commercial and by sort of concentrating sites in one and two distinct areas. not that it should be absorbed by everyone, but that may be why the room is full, those two particular issues. |
| 00:57:05.32 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. It is. |
| 00:57:08.05 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:57:08.14 | Councilmember Ford | you |
| 00:57:09.17 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:57:12.73 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I have one more question, if I might. In talking with HCD, Um, Have you mentioned or have you pointed out that Sausalito is a walkable town? And that by taking away our resident serving businesses in the commercial MOUs, that we would force people back into their cars, which is one of the things that the state is so worried about and wants to, is trying to get people out of their cars. Has that been pointed out and stressed? |
| 00:57:56.64 | Jeff Bradley | No. And the reason is this wasn't HCD's idea. They would love just to have a raw piece of property that had nothing to do with commercial. It was up in the hillside somewhere and just have that designated for R3. To them, that would just be simple and easy, and Sausalito should just do that. It was actually our idea to say, well, wait a second. We have these sites that are slated for development already with or without the housing element. You have properties and they have commercial buildings on them and the city allows residential to go above those commercial buildings. |
| 00:58:09.83 | Unknown | The Hills. |
| 00:58:15.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:58:15.18 | David McGrain | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:58:30.44 | Unknown | And they have, |
| 00:58:37.47 | Jeff Bradley | You don't see a lot of it because it probably doesn't pencil out for the individual owners to do that. So this was actually our attempt to come up with a low impact strategy to allow for Thank you. |
| 00:58:50.92 | Councilmember Ford | Mm. |
| 00:58:50.94 | Jeff Bradley | some housing development on a site that is already within your footprint of what's been developed within the community. Because when we think of no zoning changes, we think of don't change non-residential lands to residential development lands. |
| 00:59:09.30 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 00:59:12.86 | Jeff Bradley | And so we're trying to get creative with it, maybe too creative, but trying to find a way to address the concern without going on a wholesale rezoning effort, which we know the community had no support for. |
| 00:59:29.77 | Councilmember Ford | Bye. |
| 00:59:32.43 | Jeff Bradley | more cushion. |
| 00:59:32.97 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:59:33.08 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:59:33.09 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:59:33.13 | Vice Mayor Leone | . |
| 00:59:33.30 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:59:33.38 | Vice Mayor Leone | As far as new construction goes or changing the height or... of existing structures in some of these identified sites. What is the... |
| 00:59:48.87 | Vice Mayor Leone | Some of these sites, someone could come in and build something anyway? What changes by designating them here? What changes in terms of the entitlements that go along with them or their ability to not comply with local zoning requirements? |
| 01:00:08.97 | Jeff Bradley | At one point we had recommended a parking a reduction in the parking standards. But based on feedback we received from the task force and the planning commission, we've backtracked on that. I recommend that the parking stay the same. The city doesn't require an exorbitant amount of parking to begin with. So the only change, as this chart shows, is what you can build on the ground floor. That's it. |
| 01:00:39.82 | City Staff (Jeremy) | Jeff, could you walk through that table? I think that's an important table. |
| 01:00:44.03 | Jeff Bradley | I was trying to avoid that, Jeremy. I'm going to bore them to death. Okay, so your max building height in the CN1 is 32 feet. It doesn't say how many stories you can build in the zoning ordinance. But in talking to staff and looking around the community, people have built two stories and they have built three stories. So we're calling that two or three stories. In terms of setbacks, the front is zero, the rear is 15, the side varies. Max density is one dwelling unit per 1,500 square feet, which is the same as the R3 zoning district. So essentially we have sort of this floating R3 zone, you know, floating over some of these properties. We have a max floor area ratio of 50%, which in a lot of cases is a more important number than this density number because sometimes this becomes controlling in terms of what you can actually provide on the site, on any site. Max building coverage is 70%. Within the existing program, residential use on the ground floor is simply not allowed. No variance, no use permit, nothing you could ask for to get that. Residential on the upper floors is allowed. And design review is required of all projects. And many different requirements must be met, including view protection. |
| 01:02:10.89 | Vice Mayor Leone | So... So for the sites that are current, these four sites that are identified here, the ones that are currently single-story buildings, the 7-11 and 107-2nd, um, What changes? I designated them as identified potential affordable housing sites in terms of their ability to disregard some of these with construction on the second floor or coverage. |
| 01:02:45.28 | Jeff Bradley | The only way anyone could seek to avoid any of these requirements is by filing of a variance. I believe staff would find that you can't get a variance for use, so you couldn't really ask for that on the ground floor restriction. So any of the numerical standards, someone could apply for a variance. Under the state density bonus law, project proponents are allowed to ask for anywhere from one to three concessions or waivers that they have to demonstrate are required for the feasibility, financial feasibility of the project. So conceivably someone could try to use that to try to deviate some of these standards. I don't believe we've had any of those in Sausalito in the last 50 years. They're fairly rare, and we've talked about that at the Planning Commission. But it is out there, and I don't want to discount it completely. |
| 01:03:44.01 | Vice Mayor Leone | But is that different than for those state regulations versus |
| 01:03:48.60 | Jeff Bradley | The state density bonus with the three-way |
| 01:03:50.77 | Vice Mayor Leone | So does it matter if it's designated here? If someone bought that building and said, I just want to employ it. |
| 01:03:53.46 | Jeff Bradley | No. Right. I wanted to close the loop on that. So that situation could occur under the existing zoning program, except that... the ground floor business would be as it is now. |
| 01:04:11.02 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:04:11.04 | City Staff (Jeremy) | Jeff, would you say that again? One aspect I want to identify for Vice Member Leon's question, is the only aspect that a property owner using a mixed-use option could avail themselves of is to be able to build on the ground floor residential. Otherwise, there is no other standard of these development standards that is changed by the mixed use option. The only one is ground floor residential, where today its requirement is to be ground floor commercial. |
| 01:04:53.35 | Vice Mayor Leone | But your ability to seek relief from these, as you were saying before, is not changed by the designations here, or it is. |
| 01:05:02.00 | Jeff Bradley | It's not. |
| 01:05:06.63 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 01:05:07.32 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. I think so, yeah. |
| 01:05:08.84 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Just a couple of clarification items that I have questions about. Every site that we looked at over the last 10, 12 months or so that was reviewed by the task force or subsequently by others, did you do a mailing to persons, to all persons within 300 feet of that site? |
| 01:05:33.22 | Jeff Bradley | We... |
| 01:05:34.62 | Mayor Kelly | That's a question, just a question. |
| 01:05:35.30 | Jeff Bradley | When we first started, we were working with a list of nine sites that were being considered for the affordable housing overlay zone. And there was a driving tour of those sites and then there was a mailing that I think filled the room like this. And then as we eliminated those sites one by one, we managed to empty the room. And then we came up with this brilliant new strategy to fill the room again. Of course we did, and then of course the city did a mailing for that. A 300-foot mailing. Yeah. |
| 01:06:18.21 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:06:18.23 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 01:06:19.11 | Mayor Kelly | Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Jeremy, would you like to have us talk? |
| 01:06:21.99 | City Staff (Jeremy) | On the original nine candidate sites that staff and the Housing Element Task Force were examining, we provided a 300-foot mailing for each one of those nine candidate sites. And we also provided a 300-foot mailing for these four sites that are currently being examined. |
| 01:06:35.71 | John Fredericks | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:06:44.64 | Mayor Kelly | Sounds like some people didn't get... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, please, please, please, please, please. |
| 01:06:49.30 | Vice Mayor Leone | Please. You'd be surprised at how small 300 feet is if you don't live it. So from my house, the Golden Gate Market's within 300 feet, so I got one of these. |
| 01:06:58.86 | Mayor Kelly | So it sounds like some people didn't get it. So that's the question I wanted to have. All right. There was a, I got an email that suggested that after we had a approved housing element that the state of California would require that the city would actively market the properties to developers. Is that a true thing? |
| 01:07:22.96 | Jeff Bradley | There is some fairly standard language that is typically included in housing elements to get the word out in terms of the city has an adopted housing element. They have a plan for accommodating their fair share of affordable housing and making the sites known. We're accomplishing that simply by attaching a map within the document. At the task force meetings, we spent some time talking about whether we had to do a map or not. So we left the map out because task force was more comfortable with that. HCD asked for a map, so now we're recommending a map. |
| 01:08:02.20 | Mayor Kelly | So that would be the extent of the marketing that would have to be done. |
| 01:08:07.07 | Jeff Bradley | Yes. Maybe a brochure at the planning counter. |
| 01:08:11.73 | Mayor Kelly | There was another representation in some of the emails that we had not removed the Butte site from the original list that it was on. |
| 01:08:26.21 | Jeff Bradley | We do have an inventory. We looked at all the parcels in the city and looked at what could be developed under the existing zoning. And the Butte Street site is an existing site with the existing R3 zoning. So it is on the inventory, but it doesn't receive any special policy or program attention. |
| 01:08:49.72 | Vice Mayor Leone | What is the... environmental impact reports in terms of the housing element, when is it required And When was it not required? what's been the practice the current industry practice. |
| 01:09:09.22 | Jeff Bradley | Every housing element we've worked on from cities as small as Belvedere up to 140,000 like Sunnyvale have all been done with initial study, mitigated negative declaration, which is an environmental document sort of lower level down from a full environmental impact report. And the reason for that typically is because the housing element is a policy document. And so, unless you're radically changing what can be built in your community. you're not going to do an EIR on your housing element. You are going to require detailed project level review on a project level basis, depending on the specific situation of that site and that proposed project. That could be anything from an exemption to a mitigated negative declaration to an environmental impact report. |
| 01:10:06.28 | Vice Mayor Leone | So one of the requirements in the zoning process is to show you don't have a impact and environmental impact report, which encompasses a lot of things, including local zoning ordinance as part of the environmental impact report. |
| 01:10:24.86 | Vice Mayor Leone | you would have, if you found a large impact on the zoning ordinance level, say view impact, it could trigger an environmental impact report for a particular project or a set of mitigations or what have you, depending on the degree of impact. Is that... True. |
| 01:10:42.61 | Jeff Bradley | When you're at the point in time where you're doing your housing element, and you're looking at, you're thinking, you put your environmental review hat on, and you're thinking, okay, what's the potential downstream environmental impact? And you say, well, potentially someone could, you know, build something that would have a view impact. Okay, well, what systems does the city have in place to mitigate that? They have a policy on view protection. So by reference, the policy document would reference that zoning tool, which is the view protection policy. And then downstream, once you have an actual development project, if someone's complying with the view protection policy, conceivably there is no impact, or it's been mitigated to a degree that's less significant. If there is an impact, then at that point, red flag, you've created an impact, either make it go away or do an EIR. |
| 01:11:43.60 | Vice Mayor Leone | So it's more of a project-based analysis for as far as the EIR goes. |
| 01:11:48.42 | Jeff Bradley | Right, because until you have an actual project in your hand, you really can't do a lot of the technical studies to sort of tease out what the actual physical impacts are. |
| 01:11:59.07 | Vice Mayor Leone | And is there a concept of a cumulative environmental impact report? |
| 01:12:05.80 | Jeff Bradley | All environmental impact report is supposed to consider the cumulative impact of that project and all the other projects that are in the pipeline typically. So if you're doing an EIR on a shopping center, you should look at all the other projects that are generating traffic and add up all the traffic and see if by adding this one project you're creating a significant impact. |
| 01:12:31.23 | Mayor Kelly | Is an environmental impact report done at the time of a general zoning plan, a general plan, a new general plan? Thank you. |
| 01:12:44.99 | Jeff Bradley | For medium to larger cities, I would say yes, because typically when you're doing your entire general plan, you are making some land use changes and you want to create a high level environmental document that future projects can refer to when those are prepared. The Belvedere, we did their entire general plan update, including the housing element, and that was covered within an initial study and negative declaration. |
| 01:12:53.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:53.42 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:12:53.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:16.15 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, any other questions? All right, I'm going to close this portion. And thank you, Jeff. Thank you. If you would be so kind, you and Karen would be so kind, to take down the questions that you hear from the public, because we're not going to answer them in the moment, but rather have you answer them at the end. So there's a list of folks. Debbie, do you have a question? that have signed a card. We're going to give those first dibs. And again, I would ask you that if somebody has said it already, if you just say, I support that particular thing and save some time so everybody gets plenty of time to say all they want to say. And we'll start with the three minutes. If it starts to get too lengthy, we'll maybe have to go to two minutes. But how many people want to speak on this issue? Okay, I'll start out with the first one is Faye Rudio. |
| 01:14:20.13 | Faye Rudio | I live on Valley Street. And I have two things. I moved to Valor Street because I wanted a community that I could walk to. There was a bookstore, the market, real estate. And I think taking away lower level commercial is turning us into suburbia. The second thing I'm very concerned with, I was at one of these meetings when it first started. And I seem to remember that if the, because it's a housing development, it's run by the state, that they could make exceptions even if the city didn't want them to. I know originally there were, I'm concerned about parking exceptions, I'm concerned about view exceptions, and I heard what you said, and I guess I wasn't real clear between your question, Jonathan, and his answer, Thank you. is, if this goes through, Does the city still have the final say, or can this be another Altamira where the state said you're doing it? Thank you. |
| 01:15:09.37 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Okay, thank you. Karen Lerner. |
| 01:15:21.11 | Karen Lehner | I can reach it. It's actually Karen Lehner. I'm sorry. And I live on Valley Street as well. |
| 01:15:23.93 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:15:30.09 | Karen Lehner | I guess I take exception to the idea that a single family isn't considered Great use of a space. and that when we have to get to multiple families squeezed into Places that used to be for single families. we're inevitably going to have to go up. If this is getting done in 2014, I believe is the deadline for this, What happens to the next phase? In choosing things in Old Town, you're running into a reverse funnel effect. We already have maximum traffic coming down there. that only sort of spreads out once you get past Galilee. That goes to four lanes there. I'd like to say that I believe density isn't just what is on a single level, that if you're going vertical, You are increasing density, even if it's on the same footprint. We have. Traffic issues that are very severe there. The rent-a-bikes are a virtual tsunami. And the number of accidents recordable and serious have gone up significantly in five years. I agree that we should spread it out. But I also believe that you should Look at areas. that are already accommodating a maximum as far as quality of life is concerned. We can squeeze people in. but we lose the aspect of neighborhood when you take away commercial And if you are looking at being fair to the commercial, I want to quote it because it was a really good line. Allowing commercial to flourish on Caledonia. I so agree. and I would love it to flourish in every section of the town. as we are a walkable town. I think this is an extraordinary thing where people come together, that we are a neighborhood, we're a small town. We're not typical, but I don't think you can compare towns to towns. And I think the state has to Consider the fact that we are unique. We don't have a lot of flat. We have a lot of hills. And we accommodate more tourists, and I'd love them to count how big we swell each tourist season. And it might not be permanent residence but it has an incredibly huge impact on our commercial area, on the citizens as we have to accommodate tour buses, tourist drivers, I welcome them all if they Move on through. In a nice way. and take advantage of our beautiful town. But we are permanent residents. And this is our home. And I don't want to see, sorry, Old Town become a suburb of the other part of Sausalito. We're the old town. We started it. |
| 01:18:31.06 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:18:35.73 | Mayor Kelly | Bye. If you would hold the applause, we get it. David Carey, please. |
| 01:18:49.25 | David Carey | Thank you. I just wanted to say a couple words. I'm here for my father also, who owns the mixed-use building at 300 Valley. and that's where the Sausalito Laundry is and Aurora Restaurant. He wrote me a brief letter today. I just wanted to read it into the record. |
| 01:19:05.77 | Councilmember Ford | record. Yes. Yeah. |
| 01:19:07.74 | David Carey | Just tilt it up a little bit. |
| 01:19:07.83 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:19:08.25 | Mayor Kelly | Just tilt it up a little bit. Thank you. |
| 01:19:12.01 | David Carey | He said, from what little I understand about the project, it all sounds like a complete mismatch for our part of Sausalito in so many ways, economic, social, and not even considering the physical impact it would have on our building, which would or might destroy the views of the bay by many of our tenants that they enjoy on a regular basis and why they rent from us in the first place. Should this happen, we would seriously be damaged in many ways, hard to consider all the negative effects with first thoughts in the matter. I just wanted to mention that I listened with interest. Council Member Leomir is discussing the idea of converting upper story office to residential under a use permit. I don't understand the implications exactly, but I just wanted to let you know that we'd be open to discussing that. There are six units in this building and we've considered approaching the city, at least for one of them in the past, about converting it to a live-work space. Thank you. |
| 01:20:13.07 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Mike Muncie. |
| 01:20:21.07 | Mike Muncie | I live in 211 Fort and you're going to get the old mic back. I am. so fed up with this. Since 2009, you guys have been going around You're going to North End. You got all the lots over there. People went against you. Now you pick up the the two property open South England. My background is planning and architecture. The first thing you look into to see where the land is available. There is no land available where there is. One side is water, the other side is freeway. So when you go down, you go further down to the north end, That's where the land is. You are changing zoning even though you're not saying you're not changing zoning. Zoning is being changed where right now in 207, it's a commercial. You want to build residential, this is changing zoning. Now, if you want to do that, I don't know why at the beginning they did not tell you about Marineship. There are two sites available right now. |
| 01:21:28.45 | Mayor Kelly | Mike, Mike. |
| 01:21:29.44 | Mike Muncie | The plant, the plant. and the property right next to the FedEx, which they have a bunch of old cars and RV parked. You can provide your 38 units right over there. and it wouldn't hurt anybody. You wouldn't block anybody's view. You wouldn't traffic impact. And you can do that. without hurting anybody else. impacting their traffic, impacting their view, And so, I don't know why you didn't even consider that. into your options. Other than that, I have to tell you, this is not going to happen. And It's not that I don't like affordable housing. I'm probably one of the only people that I have affordable housing in this town. Del Monte Hotel, I have rooms of 500 to 900, rooms and studios and one bedroom. So I don't have anything against that. But I'm just saying, I'm not saying, not in my backyard. But you have to understand when you apply something, it has to fit into the package. This does not fit into the package. Thank you. |
| 01:22:47.98 | Mayor Kelly | Please hold the applause. Please hold the applause. Let me remind everybody that instead of addressing the staff, you're addressing the council. We're the ones who make the decision. So you need to look up and talk to us, please. |
| 01:23:00.91 | Vice Mayor Leone | You can yell at us. |
| 01:23:02.24 | Mayor Kelly | You can yell at me. Peter Average. |
| 01:23:03.22 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:23:08.25 | Mayor Kelly | Future average. Thank you. |
| 01:23:09.97 | Scott Robinson | you |
| 01:23:10.04 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:23:10.09 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:23:13.78 | Mayor Kelly | I feel like I... |
| 01:23:17.21 | Unknown | Hi, I live on South Street. I also am a tenant of David's at 300 Valley. So we totally enjoy a walkable community. We only bought into Sausalito a month ago, and now we're hearing about this. Welcome. So this was a surprise. And as the first woman said, where are you going to go? You're going to keep on building up. So I don't have a lot of new things to say other than to say I'm |
| 01:23:32.12 | Mayor Kelly | so this |
| 01:23:34.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:23:34.72 | Councilmember Ford | Mm. |
| 01:23:47.50 | Unknown | I reiterate everything that I've been hearing so far, but I really did. I bought in here for a walkable community. We walked from our home on South Street to our office at 300 Valley, and that was part of the whole package that we bought into when we decided to move to Sausalito. Thank you. |
| 01:24:06.30 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Please hold the applause. We get it that you're all here and you have a similar view. Uh, John Johnson. |
| 01:24:16.91 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:24:17.28 | Mayor Kelly | Jan Johnson? I'm sorry, the handwriting is just not bringing it. That's okay. I'm trying my best. |
| 01:24:27.24 | Jan Johnson | Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I hate public speaking, and it makes me really sad to have to stand up here and do this. So remember the movie, if you build it, they will come? Well, if you zone this, they will come. And I doubt that the units on 2nd Street will be six units. I bet they turn into nine units. What you may not know, or the MREC group might not have realized, is that directly across from these proposed sites, there are already many units that do not have parking. Across from the 109-111 site, I counted, so it's an estimate, there's nine units with no parking. Across from the Golden Gate Market adjoining site, there are 10 units with no parking. Those units all park in Old Town. If you put another 12 to 18 units in there, there will be no parking in Old Town. Residents can't have friends. Tourists can't park to go to the restaurants. It will decimate our neighborhood. The views are going to be impacted. Our values, our property values will go down. And I just have to ask, you know, this Caledonia and Litho site that somehow met the criteria, I'd like to know how many potential units could be put on that site and why Caledonia is so sacrosanct that it can't be considered when you want to put 43% of these multi-unit family dwellings into two blocks of 2nd Street that are a funnel. and if you're going to do this I pray that you put a stop sign or a traffic light at the 2nd Street that are a funnel. And if you're going to do this, I pray that you put a stop sign or a traffic light at the corner of 2nd and Main. negatively impact ingress and egress, but otherwise someone's gonna get killed, because we're almost killed on a daily basis already. Um, We need an environmental impact report, not a negative whatever it's called, because this is going to severely impact the neighborhood. Our sewers are crumbling. We get sewage up the drains floods and high tides. There's just got to be a better side. It's not that it's NIMBY. I researched it on the Internet. This housing doesn't really negatively impact property values except in situations like our views. And the incentives the state will allow these high density bonus things, they will say, oh, you can build four stories. You know, they're going to give them the waivers to incentivize the financial advantage to develop these. So please don't run our neighborhood. I've been there 19 years. I want to die there. But if you do this, I'm not sure I'll be able to do it. |
| 01:27:17.19 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Please, please, please, please, please hold the applause. Dennis Webb. |
| 01:27:28.17 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, Catherine Booth. Bye. Michael Stenberg? |
| 01:27:42.55 | Unknown | Michael Stenberg, 314 Valley Street. Some 80 years ago, the American humorist Will Rogers remarked that when Congress is in session, no American is safe. This past Wednesday, I learned that when the Sausalito Planning Commission is in session, no small business is safe. In the shadow of the Great Recession, their recommendation to provide for the future elimination of a significant portion of the merchants in Old Town is shocking and disregards the needs of our community. This disdain for small entrepreneurs bears a disturbing resemblance to the failed policies of the Democratic Republic of Cuba. If you elect to pursue this folly, what next? Possibly Havana is our sister city. At the Commission meeting, we learned that in seeking potential sites for low-income housing, Their consultant was specifically directed to not consider any sites that would require rezoning, because it would, quote, open a can of worms. If beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, then I submit that a can of worms is also in the eye of the beholder. This refusal to consider rezoning opportunities of large tracts of underutilized or vacant land is by definition an incomplete and unfair analysis. Show us the can. Let us examine if it contains worms. I believe that low-income housing is a community-wide responsibility. I have petitions bearing 238 signatures. requesting that the City Council reject this flawed Commission proposal and require the Commission to reevaluate potential housing sites by including in the examination all rezoning opportunities throughout the city. The chairman of the committee of these recommendations was quoted in the Marin scope as saying that, This is just an exercise in feasibility to demonstrate capacity. If that is really the case, then why not consider Dunphy Park? Plenty of space, centrally located, No views would be blocked, and since it would only be an exercise in feasibility, we would not have to worry about losing the part. |
| 01:29:50.48 | John Sweeney | Thank you. |
| 01:29:57.16 | Mayor Kelly | You know, we would ask that we respect you and your voices and your opinions. I would ask that you not applaud and respect us. Because it's not the place for applause. It's the place for deliberation. |
| 01:30:07.78 | Councilmember Weiner | Yes. |
| 01:30:09.70 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:30:09.73 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah, excuse me. If someone even is thinking the other way, you intimidate them to not come up. So that's one of the reasons that we do. |
| 01:30:09.80 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:30:19.52 | Councilmember Ford | I'll tell |
| 01:30:20.72 | Councilmember Weiner | I'll tell you what, I wouldn't get up here and say it against it either. But nonetheless, that's the reason. So just have a little respect for whoever else. You talk about First Amendment, let them have their choice too. |
| 01:30:37.16 | Mayor Kelly | character okay place place place |
| 01:30:39.27 | Unknown | Please. Thank you. |
| 01:30:41.32 | Mayor Kelly | Please. Karen Emerson, please. |
| 01:30:47.94 | Mayor Kelly | Karen? |
| 01:30:53.32 | SPEAKER_12 | Good evening, Council. Karen Emerson, my husband Bill and I live at 215 Bridgeway. That's the Bridgeway Boardwalk. I'm also speaking on behalf of my sister, Linda Lyons, who owns the Castle by the Sea. Old Town is already a high-density area. Of the six rental properties on Bridgeway Boardwalk, there are at least 17 cars, none of which have a place to park but on the street. And that's no fault of their owners. Other residents in Old Town have garages, but they choose to use them as storage spaces so that they too park on the street. So, anything there at, well, at the, what I used to know as the French Laundry, now Frank Howard Allen. That would just add to the congestion. They didn't have parking. I assume they would have guests who wouldn't be able to park either. I wouldn't think that families living on the floor level of such a building would be too comfortable having hundreds of bicycles fly by every day. And the number of tour buses has increased considerably. There's one company in particular that likes to stop at the red zone at the corner of Bridgeway and Richardson and give the folks on the tour a chance to take photos. And, well, he gives his little spiel. I know it's come up before, but I certainly don't understand why the Marin Ship area hasn't been more seriously considered. It would offer services to the residents there. I've also heard that Mill Valley has been able to claim part of Marin City to satisfy its low income requirement. I guess that's not true. |
| 01:32:42.74 | Vice Mayor Leone | The county is very guarded with all... You can't claim somebody else's. |
| 01:32:46.44 | SPEAKER_12 | Okay, well, that's good, but okay, that answers my question, but I also support most of the comments that have been made earlier. |
| 01:32:46.49 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. |
| 01:32:53.94 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. Thank you. Sorry, Karen. |
| 01:32:56.29 | SPEAKER_12 | Bob Zedek. |
| 01:33:04.61 | SPEAKER_13 | Bob Zalek who lived in South Florida Yacht Harbor. I'm one of those county liveaboards I suppose. The only constituency that's not really protected in this report, well, look, it's taking good care of the low-income housing people and the people who can't afford housing. but there's not a syllable in what I've heard tonight. that pays any attention This is Orcelito Residence. This is as if we're bystanders and people are moving these pieces on a chessboard without any regard to what life is like in this town. And I say it pains me to see the city council not behaving like it's your town. You're acting like you're pawns being moved around by this phantom Sacramento bureaucracy and there's not one syllable that I heard where you stood up to them and defend the people who elected you. We elected you. Most of what you do is moving papers around. Once in a while you have a chance to do something that's really gosh darn important. And this is one of those chances. And instead of caving, to Sacramento, and Councilwoman Pfeiffer and Councilwoman Ford asked very pointed questions. The audience was somewhat breathless at the questions because they were so direct. And what was the answer? We don't know. So the most important questions that the council could have come up with tonight, our consultants couldn't begin to answer. No one is looking out for this town. We are looking out for people who can't afford to live here. We are looking out for this amorphous planet. But nobody is looking out for the residents of Forcelito. And I ask you once, stand up for the town against the outside forces. |
| 01:35:01.08 | Mayor Kelly | Karen Kelly. |
| 01:35:02.21 | Vice Mayor Leone | You're not biased, Bob, but also we haven't had our chance to have our opinions heard. We just ask questions. So maybe wait until the end to see what we have to say. |
| 01:35:09.84 | Mayor Kelly | No, he won't change his mind. Karen Kelly. Okay, Karen Kelly. Geoff Heddington. |
| 01:35:37.31 | Unknown | I'm going to do some pictures. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:35:40.69 | Vice Mayor Leone | you |
| 01:35:40.92 | Unknown | you |
| 01:35:40.97 | Vice Mayor Leone | Can you wait to hear it? Just hand it out and then you can describe it. Yeah, but it will. And we just need to get you on the tape. |
| 01:35:56.78 | Unknown | Jeff Heddington, 108 Third Street. I live directly behind one of the sites that's being proposed for redevelopment. What I gave you is an excerpt from the M Group's original proposal, I think from the May 7th meeting. It includes some designs that we'll be referring to and my wife will be referring to when she comes up. So I've read a lot of the city documents. I know there's a lot that has to do with views and view protection. And in fact, precedent has been set in our neighborhood. We've had story polls go up. People talk about it, people come to consensus, and then the story polls come down when a project isn't deemed to be appropriate. That's happened, that's worked. It's given me comfort in the past. I read that the laws are still there, but I fear that greatly that they will be undermined, that these new projects will at best go through some sort of lukewarm Thank you. Thank you. design review process. They'll be able to circumvent the design review process. And so I have grave concerns about this. And furthermore, when I read deeper into some of these rules and some of the changes that are being proposed in the documentation I take less comfort. There are some nuances that apply to these multi-unit projects that suggest that there could be something else going on. I mean, it's very confusing stuff, So, for example, in Chapter 2, the housing plan, these new – if someone is going after the maximum number of units allowed, there's an exemption from heightened design review. We heard a little bit about that tonight, but I'm kind of fuzzy, to be honest, about what that actually means. Processing priority and expedited plan checks. So, to me, that means these are going to be rammed through. We're going to submit the plans and get them through. M Group's memo from May 16th talks about revisions to the housing element regarding what to do with residential design review. Sounds like a problem. Qualitative standards to provide greater certainty of approval. So what that means to me is we're going to fix sort of the issue and make sure it's clear how we're going to get these through. So all of this suggests that we are going to change the process. We're not going to adhere to the current conditions that we have set up. The negative declaration, again, I don't understand how that gets us around the environmental study that should be pursued on this. I read in there less than significant impact for any aesthetic review of a potential project, but I can tell you the aesthetic impact will be dramatic, in particular on our block, for that particular project. Thank you very much for your time. |
| 01:39:00.34 | Mayor Kelly | you Carrie Headington. |
| 01:39:10.41 | Councilmember Ford | it. |
| 01:39:10.81 | Unknown | . |
| 01:39:14.63 | Unknown | I'm Carrie Headington, long-time resident, homeowner, and educator. We are raising our family in Old Town and live adjacent to the 107 slash through nine and 11 Second Street Property. While in favor of thoughtful development of affordable housing, the impact on the existing community has to be taken into account. I am adamantly opposed to the proposal calling for two maximum density, six unit, possibly nine, with bonuses, structures of up to three stories to be erected on 2nd Street. This proposal creates enormous questions around view preservation, traffic and parking, sewage capacity, safety on an already very safe thoroughfare. Loss of neighborhood creates enormous questions around view preservation, traffic and parking, sewage capacity, safety on an already very safe thoroughfare, loss of neighborhood serving commercial space, the character alterations of our historic old town, And throughout the city, only four sites were selected and two are located right in our neighborhood, within a block of each other. Our concerns are valid. We demand a full cumulative EIR prior to any city approval. Pushing the current proposal through the system so quickly is unfair and not consistent with due process and community involvement prescribed in the housing element section of Sausalito's general plan. As shown in the M group visuals that I showed you that they showed previously. The proposed sites would undoubtedly require major redevelopment and expansion upward in order to accommodate the proposed six-plus units. Such large-scale upward expansion in our relatively flat neighborhood would obliterate views from surrounding homes and offices and have a devastating impact on our light, air, and air. privacy, and quality of living. The value of our property and other neighboring properties would drop significantly. The expansion of this site would be like a wall right in front of our view. It would cast a dark shadow on our house and yard and severely impact our privacy. It has been suggested by city officials that these sites were chosen because it's unlikely they would be built upon, and that if built, standard building codes would be upheld. Since it is absolutely impossible to truly accommodate six units at the 107 2nd Street site without building up to three stories and impacting views, The city is either being dishonest to the state by providing sites that aren't truly feasible, or the city is being dishonest to Old Town residents by saying these projects wouldn't pass design review. Which is it? We have been advised by Land Use Legal Counsel that once sites are approved by the city and as feasible and passed on to the state with bonuses and incentives, there is little the city or residents can do to uphold standard restrictions and stop developers. State trumps city. Issues concerning these sites were not fully vetted prior to the task force vote. We ask the City Council to make a good faith effort at understanding the true feasibility of these sites before voting. Thank you. |
| 01:42:22.31 | Jim DeRiemer | Dusty Bergman. |
| 01:42:33.58 | Dusty Berksman | Hello, my name is Dusty Berksman. I live on Third and Valley in between Maine and Valley. I agree with all the passion and every point that everyone has said in here tonight. I'd just like to add and reiterate a couple of different things. First of all, can we get from the state the letter of the law? They're saying that these ADUs and the liveaboards are not quite within their standards, but what do they mean by that? I'd like to know the letter of the law. We can get something directly from the state so we can either comply to that or say we're sufficient to that. And secondly, why are we able to tweak our zoning but not Marin shifts? It seems to be a hot potato. Maybe I haven't lived in the community long enough. I've lived here for three years. And I just don't understand why we can tweak our neighborhood, but not Marin ship. And I'd like to know. how dense our area is in Old Town. I would say it's probably the densest area in Sausalito, if not the maybe second. Another point I'd like to add, an architect brought up something for your mixed opportunity sites, your mixed use. The square foot size ranges from 12,000 feet to 9,900 square feet. So, for instance, at 217 second, the site size is 9,500 square feet. We're able to build on 50% of that. That would mean if you had nine units living four people, they'd be 500 square feet per unit. How are you going to make four people per a 500 square foot unit? I live in a 650 square foot unit, and that's about right. That's all. |
| 01:44:09.11 | Mayor Kelly | Lee Daly. |
| 01:44:13.40 | Lee Daly | I live at 115 4th Street. I'm a longtime Old Town resident. And I concur with pretty much everything that everyone has said and with the amount of emotion that they've put behind it. I think in the presentation that's made to the state, it's a question of looking at line drawings. And line drawings are one thing. But if you think about the potential for 10 children in one of these buildings. with the accompanying skateboards, bicycles, balls, bats. I mean, where are they even going to use them? It's nothing but surrounded by a parking lot with a main thoroughfare in front of them. To me, it's a mini-ghetto if you have 10, 12 children in that size lot with those many units. And I think, you know, Sausalito doesn't want to create mini ghettos, at least I wouldn't think so. So that's, you know, that's my feeling of what the potentiality is for this site, especially the two sites All four sites, essentially, but even more so because of the density in Old Town. Um, So I think that's the nitty-gritty of looking at what really happens when you build on these sites. And everybody wants to live in Sausalito if they can afford it. Let's face it, it's a beautiful place. So... There are going to be a lot of families, if that's what you want. And I think you have to really realize what their lifestyle is going to be like. It's not going to be pleasant for anyone. and I concur with the resident of 3rd Street because I actually went to their property and looked over their fence, and they will be facing a wall. if that property is built up even to a second floor. So why should we approve something and say that we are going to protect the views, and yet we're going to approve it. Well, if we're going to protect the views, why are we approving something? This does not make sense. |
| 01:46:32.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:46:32.65 | John Sweeney | nightmare. |
| 01:46:34.58 | Lee Daly | Um, So that's the only other thing I'd like to concur with one of the council members who said that This is a neighborhood that frequents and supports its local businesses. If those businesses go, People have to get into their cars to get to those businesses, to where they've moved. And we're creating more density all over again. So thank you. |
| 01:47:00.78 | Mayor Kelly | Dennis Webb. |
| 01:47:02.10 | Councilmember Ford | He's going to pass right there. |
| 01:47:03.84 | David Carey | Thank you. |
| 01:47:04.12 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Charlotte? |
| 01:47:12.29 | Derek Webb | Derek Webb, 14 Crescent. Bigger issue, I just want to ask, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious, given what everybody said, there's really not a lot to say. It's obvious this doesn't make any sense. But you're going to have to do something for the community in general. And the only thing I would, ask you to do. and make sure that you have looked at everything When I think of Sausalito, I think of Marin City. I mean, effectively, in southern Marin, we have the greatest amount of low-income housing there is if you think about shared services. So I assume you've exhausted everything you can with a stake, in regard to sharing schools, sharing services, et cetera, because we already have a ton of low-income housing. And I just want to make sure that X, what your decision is, in regard to Saucido in general, that you've exhausted all those channels. This isn't Belvedere, and it's not Tiburon. Thank you. |
| 01:48:01.36 | Mayor Kelly | Charlotte. Mr. Angela. |
| 01:48:09.55 | Charlotte Mostrangelo | Charlotte Mostrangelo and I'm 105 Third Street. I'm directly behind 107th and 111th and obviously I would be terribly impacted. I want to say that I want to agree I've been here since 1952. We've had lots of changes on both sides of us and in front of us from the building. Michael Wernham was a a very large builder in Sausalito. Thank you. And so we've got a place on Valley, and we've got two on Valley, and we've got Third Street, and so |
| 01:48:35.94 | Unknown | large builder in Sausalito. |
| 01:48:49.15 | Charlotte Mostrangelo | We already have our views impacted, but we don't want them impacted anymore. And if you just walk down and see those little sites at 107, and 111. They're one-story buildings. There's no way you can put all those units in unless you do go up. And so that's what I definitely hope that you will consider not going up. It just would be devastating. I've worked on the parking commission in Sausalito, and we asked people to take their mattresses, et cetera, out of their garage and put the cars in, but that didn't happen much either, as you're well aware. So it's just a matter of educating the people, I suppose, or is it educating city council and planning commission? Please do not put this into that area. Let's look for another site, and we put a petition out asking for another site. site'm sure there's some place we can find that would be more feasible and would be save our Sausalito Old Town neighborhood, which is already terribly impacted as you're all aware. Thank you. |
| 01:49:35.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:35.91 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:49:59.78 | David Carey | Thank you, Shermets. |
| 01:50:00.59 | Charlotte Mostrangelo | Thank you. Jenny... |
| 01:50:02.65 | Mayor Kelly | Jenny Runders, Reinders? I'm just... |
| 01:50:07.00 | Jenny Runders | Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I'm the property owner of 511 Olive Street, which is right next door to 2015 Bridgeway. And, um... Was all of Olive Street notified of these proposed changes? and Sailor's Restaurant on Bridgeway, which is right directly next door to 2015. |
| 01:50:30.45 | Jenny Runders | Because I always feel like we are underrepresented, my little neck of the woods. And 2015 is a great big building, so they've already blocked my views. I think the postman used to live in my house. I have great big windows that look out on their wall. But is there anyone here from 2015? They are great neighbors. They are office buildings and at... Sometimes they park on the street, but that's okay. It's a little crowded. Olive's a dead end. But anyway, at night they go home. And at night, my little backyard will be nice and quiet. If 11 units go in next door to me, This is an enormous building that runs the entire length of my property. I have a little two bedroom, one bath house. If 11 units go in next door with the TVs and the boom boxes and the 12 kids out by the fence, because there's no lawn and there's no... picnic table and there's no barbecue. everyone's quality of life suffers. Um... you And I'm afraid because it's just me that I'm the one who's going to get thrown under the bus here. I don't. And that's not a compelling argument you guys are going to wreck my house, wah-wah, but you guys are going to wreck my house. Um. So 511 Olive is a dead end street. We've got a little restaurant next door to 205 that I think just has street parking. You know, there's four or five cars parked out there. Historically, I think that restaurant's turned over a few times. I hear it's really great now. I haven't eaten there yet, but everyone says it's good. And we, on the corner of Olive Street, there is a converted like old house Victorian, which is already apartments. I feel like Olive Street's pretty impacted, traffic-wise and parking-wise. And we are providing, there is housing in the neighborhood being provided on the corner. So I would just wish you to think about we the residents and what this density would do to us. What it would do to us and what it would do to the people who you're proposing moving in. Maybe teachers would like a a lawn and a nicer place to live. Does density serve anybody? Thank you. |
| 01:52:39.62 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Karen Benjamin. |
| 01:52:41.03 | City Staff (Jeremy) | Thank you. While she's coming up, the notices were mailed out on all sites, including that site, to property owners and residences within 300 feet. |
| 01:52:53.12 | Mayor Kelly | it. |
| 01:52:53.49 | City Staff (Jeremy) | Thank you. |
| 01:52:53.60 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you, Chairman. |
| 01:52:55.36 | Karen Benjamin | Hi, good evening. I'm Karen Benjamin. I live at 507 North Street, which is right next to you guys, Herb and Jonathan. I am very opposed to the changes that are being talked about in Old Town right now. From what I've read and heard, I don't hear that there's a state mandate for large family units that are supposed to be built. agree with going looking at the second units again, maybe Marinship I think you're making this decision based on HCD and League of Women Voters as opposed to our needs and our community and what we came here for. Um... I think this is basically our first study session once the entire neighborhood found out about what was going on. I mean, we didn't even know this was happening until Saturday when we got mass flyers coming out, and that's why you see this, is how much this is impacting this neighborhood. you're engaging in, I think, spot zoning. you're going to ruin the real estate prices of an entire area of the community. and you have not even begun begun to complete an environmental report on the cumulative effect of this housing as proposed. I think that what you're planning, you're going to be blocking our views, you're going to be clogging already old, and very limited sewer systems You're going to take away the parking from Golden Gate Market, and God knows if they lose their parking, they're going to lose their business. And that's our shop that we go to for. This, that, or the other thing, you know, who needs bread or milk or butter or some wine. I mean, and they're always wonderful there. They're going to go. You're going to take away the other businesses. The doctors moved down there now. So that's where our doctor's at. Many of the people in our community go to the doctor's services there. They're going to be gone. So you are taking away part of Sausalito history when you change this. You are going to greatly impact this environment. It is not just a little impact of the view. It is an impact of the entire environment and the cars and being able to walk to places. I mean, that's what makes this place just so wonderful. I really hope you're paying attention to every single thing that everyone has so passionately said, because There are many, many more of us that will come and present if we have more opportunities. This is, I think, our first time to be able to present this to everyone. So thank you. |
| 01:55:42.14 | Mayor Kelly | John Sweeney. |
| 01:55:53.39 | John Sweeney | Thank you. I was wondering if I was going to get up here, but... My comments are that there is limited room in this town for affordable housing. A previous housing element manager was fired. for saying No room in the town. Is that why our Our present housing element depends on consultants. |
| 01:56:27.65 | John Sweeney | Now the state bureaucracy is demanding high-density housing for families. And... Somebody up in Sacramento, I don't think, has ever come down here to Sausalito to see what Second Street is like. 2,000 bicycles come through here every weekend. Transcontinental buses come through here with tourists. It's nice to have the tourists. Can't they come in something sparr? |
| 01:57:01.36 | John Sweeney | So, The question arises too, is how you're going to jam all these people into 217 Second Street, which is now the Aurora Pizzeria. other businesses and also the real estate office at 217. Second straight. All right. one thing that you have to take into account and I think the canal area has the problem of affordable housing. These people will jam up to 10 people into a two-bedroom apartment. They have families that seem to be all over the country. So finally, I would say... I left 2nd Street. I first was here in 1951. And I met Sally Stanford when I took one of her spittoons back that landed in my front yard. Thank you. |
| 01:58:10.97 | Mayor Kelly | John Bonds. John. |
| 01:58:15.97 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:58:22.41 | John Vons | Hi there, my name is John Vons. I live at 110 Third Street. I applaud your council's initiative to try to address the state and ABAC's impositions that are being placed upon us. I did a little research on basically everything on your own website. And I want to address Only 107 2nd Street. The housing element is one element of the general plan. and the general plan has many other elements in it, and it says a whole lot of interesting things. But... The objectives are to integrate structures with the environment. view protection. preserve the character of the community. especially in sub areas and This part of 2nd Street has been designated as one of those. the, The general plan says that zoning is the primary instrument for implementing the general plan. Number three of the broad goals of the plan are to encourage resident serving commercial uses. The CN1 district along 2nd Street is a neighborhood serving commercial use. And it is designed, and I quote, to increase the diversity in economic viability of local commercial uses on the ground floor. I'm quoting from the general plan. The provision of residential on the ground floor was removed. by you, the City Council, in the omnivest number 1205 passed on March 29th. That was stricken. |
| 02:00:05.98 | John Vons | I've read the zoning law. That's Title 10. in its totality. commercial use of the ground residential use at the ground level now requires a zoning change. I was happy today to see, to hear admission that we need a zoning change. The other night it was a tweak. um, The conditional use permit ability to enable ground floor residential was removed by the omnibus I just spoke about. And I think we're splitting hairs in our discussion or lack of discussion about zoning changes. If you want to put ground floor residential, at 107 2nd Street. If you need a spot change to zoning or broad incentives, I believe they're called by the state agency, to waive those kind of provisions. Now under current zoning, The structure envisioned at 107 Second Street requires 11 off-street parking spaces. under current zoning. that's property can be covered at 70% maximum. Under current zoning, there is a 10-foot special setback to that property and every property between the Aurora restaurant and the Golden Gate Market. Thank you for your time. |
| 02:01:25.42 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. John Fredericks? |
| 02:01:33.03 | John Fredericks | Thank you. I'm John Fredericks, and in the 17-some years I've lived in Sausalito, I've lived in all parts of the town. I lived in the north end, I lived in the middle, and now I live at 216 Second Street, right across the street from 217 Second Street, which is next door to what I refer to as the downstairs fridge. and the project at 217 Second Street not only would have a severe impact on all of Second Street and the character of the neighborhood combined with the other project at 107 Second Street, but it would effectively shut down the Golden Gate Market. There's no way that that market could operate without that easement there and without the parking spaces. The consultants suggested that people could pull in and back out onto the busy Second Street with all the bicycles and the buses. That's just not feasible. Whatever you do, don't put an end to the downstairs fridge. but Thank you. Thank you. more seriously. Don't change the character of Old Town. don't destroy. the commercial nature of it. Don't take away businesses in Sausalito generally. We need those businesses as a source of revenue. We have very little availability. Vacancy rates in commercial space are really low. We need these businesses and they're a fundamental part of the community. Certainly a fundamental part of Second Street. And overall, What I see happening here is reacting to an urgent need to put in housing, but I don't see any long-term planning. And, instead of just reacting to the demands of Sacramento, which are real, and I understand and appreciate the need to put in, and provide for low income housing. But instead of just trying to react to it, Can't we have the Planning Commission actually plan? Can't we use the general plan to try and envision what the city should look like and be like? And I think we've heard a number of people talk about it, but I think we have to revisit because that is an underutilized part of town. And that is an opportunity to try and develop not just some of these low-income housing units, but other developments as well. Thank you. |
| 02:04:00.54 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:04:01.85 | John Fredericks | Thank you. |
| 02:04:01.89 | Mayor Kelly | Janet Potter. |
| 02:04:02.18 | John Fredericks | I'm sorry. All right. |
| 02:04:08.50 | Janet Potter | I had prepared a somewhat lighthearted presentation tonight, but I'm going to waive that in the interest and time. I did have one question, and that is, I thought at the beginning the recommendation that was before you was to actually send the plat back with. additional input for more planning and more discussion. So that gives me an opportunity to present my individual recommendations and needs at that time. If that is the case, then I would hope that the council would endorse the recommendation to return this to planning for additional input and exercise. Thank you. |
| 02:04:48.16 | Mayor Kelly | Eckett Noack, please. |
| 02:04:55.27 | Eckhart Nowak | Hi, Eckhart Nowak, 72 Marie Street, but also 215 2nd Street. I've worked there for the last 16 years. AND HAVE BEEN THE OWNER broker of record at Frank Hart Allen in Sausseletl. I also serve on the Business Advisory Committee here in town and I think that. identifying any Ground floor retail spots for potential low income housing, any housing is an absolute wrong decision and approach. We have a less than 7% bankruptcy. |
| 02:05:32.36 | Mayor Kelly | would you address us? I'm sorry. Thank you. |
| 02:05:35.04 | Eckhart Nowak | We have a less than 7% vacancy rate on ground floor retail, and the actual rate is probably closer to 5%. If you take a look at those, take the buildings out that we know are special circumstance buildings, And to take ground floor retail out of this town makes absolutely no sense at all. I think this whole proposal is anti-business, as well as all the other aesthetic and view and all those other issues I agree with as well. I think there's a couple of other flawed... Um, parts of the method used to choose these properties. One, they didn't look at any easements. They didn't look at any vacancy rate. They didn't look at the businesses that are in these places. the service they provide to the community. Um, I also had one other problem with, I didn't hear this quote tonight, but the consultant said last week, he said, quote, low income developers do not want any retail on ground floor. This hampers the development opportunity. Um, So to talk about doing mixed-use projects, I don't think that's a viable... option either in these locations. I do want to bring up the fact I know the challenges that the committee, the planning commission, and the city is facing this And, um, When I look at this map, from the M group. This is the map of vacant and underutilized. properties, I know you've seen it. Can I bring it up here? |
| 02:07:08.68 | Eckhart Nowak | when you do look at When you do look at this map and you see About a third of the town absolutely not identified, the Marin ship. Not one square foot is vacant or underutilized. in the analysis. What was put so well is I think we need to open up that can of worms. And two and a half years working on this project, I understand the frustration when you get so close to hopefully pacify the state of California, but We need to open that can of worms and we need to look at the marine ship. That's it. Thanks. |
| 02:07:38.60 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:07:38.61 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:07:38.89 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:07:38.92 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:07:38.94 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:07:38.95 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. JOHN CALANAN. Thank you. |
| 02:07:44.89 | John Kellan | Kellis. |
| 02:07:45.11 | Mayor Kelly | THE FAMILY. Thank you. |
| 02:07:45.23 | Councilmember Ford | That's great. |
| 02:07:47.78 | John Kellan | Mr. Mayor, members of the Commission, John Kellan, I represent San Mateo Land Exchange, which owns the apartment building at 310 Valley Street. which is directly behind the Water Works building. At this juncture, they still have a view, pathetically across 107 Second Street. The erection of a three-story building Cool. obliterate any view of the water, And I believe that a letter went out today with pictures outlining precisely what the nature of the view as it exists today is and what will happen. And this is a very divisive project the way it's been outlined for the city. It's divisive because it strikes at the very heart of what Old Town is all about. which is, views. and parking. and traffic. And it strikes at the very heart of Old Town When you look at a map and you look at Main Street and Valley Street and 2nd Street, you're looking at a focal point of the city. And this building, or buildings as proposed when erected. will be a focal point of the community. I don't think the poor people need to stand out like a sore thumb in the center of Old Town, for everyone to look down upon. or to look across, which is where we would be I think enough has been said about the parking issue where you can't park more than two hours any day around the Old Town area, Um, and the views which obviously impact San Mateo Land Exchange a little bit more. I just wanted to make two points that I heard things mentioned. the, Multi-family is a good idea. but along 2nd Street at the bottom of that decline, I think it's a lousy location. I think people are talking about a signalization on the 2nd and Main Street. Bikers don't stop. Tour buses don't stop, or when they do, they stop improperly, if what I'm hearing is correct. These are tourists. These are bikers. They're here to have a good time. They come around Alexander Avenue and they get that awe when they first see Old Town. And I think a lot of them are very distracted. I THINK HAVING THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT SET BACK HAS BEEN ONE safety factor that's protected some members of the populace. I'm an avid cyclist and my son likes to come down of all places, 2nd Strait and Alexander Strait And I really am concerned for his and others like his safety, if you build a high density multifamily housing project at the heart of that funnel. It just doesn't belong. One comment I heard this evening that impressed me and I hadn't thought of it, was the fellow from Water Works Our neighbor, talking about a conversion to residential from a workplace. That doesn't impact the community. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. |
| 02:10:51.11 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Martha Cavalito. |
| 02:11:00.69 | Mayor Kelly | Martha Cavalito? |
| 02:11:02.58 | Martha Cavalito | Thank you. |
| 02:11:03.34 | Mayor Kelly | Left. |
| 02:11:05.22 | Martha Cavalito | on the trail. |
| 02:11:06.78 | Mayor Kelly | Patricia Hale. |
| 02:11:15.61 | Patricia Hale | Thank you. Excuse me. I didn't expect to be speaking tonight, and therefore I didn't bring my reading glasses. And I have scribbled notes, so please bear with me. First of all, I embrace 70, well, they're probably not strong. Thank you. Thank you very much. This is a community, you can tell. At any rate, the gentleman said the downstairs fridge of |
| 02:11:36.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:36.57 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:11:41.75 | Patricia Hale | being one of the few women in California who is not a gourmet cook and does not want to be, I say, please do not impact Aurora, which is my kitchen. My Kitchen North. |
| 02:11:53.04 | Councilmember Ford | I live |
| 02:11:53.33 | Patricia Hale | I live at 299 South Street. Our driveway of the little community that I live in, that's the intersection where everybody hits about 25 miles an hour on the bikes, the big guys 35 and so forth. So I have an interest in that funnel. A traffic light stop isn't going to save us from being hit. It's simply not. However, The reason that I got up here to, the man who had delivered, the live aboard gentleman prompted me to speak. talking about the role of the City Council as an advocate for us, the citizens of Sausalito. And I'm a newcomer compared to some of these people who've lived here since before I was born, and I respect their experience. opinions so deeply and I embrace everything that's been said. Linda Pfeiffer, excuse me, Councilmember Pfeiffer's original question has never been answered regarding The precision of the language, and other people here know the documents by heart, I don't. But there is a letter in which, and the gentleman from M group who gave the presentation never really answered the question. I'm a retired lawyer. There is mandatory language. We are talking laws. Should be is not mandatory. Should be considered is not. The sauce, the city shall, that's mandatory. These are, I mean, your legal, these decisions you're making have legal consequences, and I have gotten nothing but softball answers about, well, you know, let's not worry about that, or, quote, we'll just present it for the state and that will satisfy it. If you put something in writing, it's legal. and people will act on it. Use the right language and at least tell us that you know the difference between should, shall, The language is being floated around. It feels to me, I mean I come from Chicago. And it feels to me like there's an agenda that's... There's something evasive about this whole process. Nobody answers straightforward questions. Does it say should consider? Is that must? No. Not for lawyers. I'd like some real technical specific language answers. Thank you. |
| 02:14:24.07 | Mayor Kelly | All right, is there anyone else here who wants to speak on this issue? |
| 02:14:27.90 | Patricia Hale | Thank you. |
| 02:14:28.04 | Fred Krause | Thank you. |
| 02:14:28.07 | Councilmember Ford | Yes. |
| 02:14:28.27 | Patricia Hale | you |
| 02:14:29.15 | Fred Krause | Fred Krause, over 40 years in Sausalito. I was here 25, 30 years ago when the city and the county developed Galilee Harbor, the foot of Napa Street. And I was down there looking at it today, and it seems like you could put twice as many live-aboard houseboats there now that are there, without maybe driving a couple piles and possibly building a couple multi-unit houseboats, and it shouldn't be much of a problem. Also, there are a lot of our two duplexes up around Edwards Avenue and in Sausalito. And maybe we could get by the state by putting in R3, some grand mile units, and that might help. Thank you. |
| 02:15:26.41 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Why don't you line up here so we can just get this Thank you. Thank you. If you come over and line up, then we can go quickly through this. |
| 02:15:35.59 | Jim DeRiemer | If you come over. My name is Jim DeRiemer. I live at 120 Glynn Drive. I don't live in Old Town. I worked the whole council, I worked it. at the old waterworks 300 Valley Street. I've kind of come to to love the place. I was one of those guys, I've lived here for 37 years, I commuted every day into San Francisco at offices on Montgomery Street. About six years ago, I said, enough. and I moved my business to Valley Street. in LA Drive. and sometimes walk, not all the time, to the office, which is a mile away from my house. |
| 02:16:19.77 | Jim DeRiemer | The first commercial of. contract that I ever entered into was to buy a sailboat. Matt. The Nunes Boatworks. It doesn't exist anymore. of, I had lunch that day at Sally Stamford's. and I didn't have a place to sleep and there was a guy by the name of Spike Africa, maybe some of you remember. that took me in. I'd like to have him here today. he would open your eyes about Old Town. And I agree with everybody. I think this is entirely the wrong spot to do this. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:17:02.38 | Martha Cavalito | Robert Woodrum, 119 West. I'm also a small business owner and that's how I'd like to speak. What concerns me is what's going to happen to us. Four or five businesses along 2nd Street are suddenly going to be without a business. And I work six, sometimes seven days a week just to pay a mortgage and Exorbitant preschool bill. And I can't afford to have my rent go up. And if you're taking, you know, 2%, 3% of the rental market away from commercial availability, it's going to impact me at some point, and I'm gone. And the volunteer work that I do for free and the framing that I do for free is gone. And I'll finally listen to the landlords in Mill Valley and Tiburon that have asked me to move there with cheaper rent. I don't want to. I want to stay here, but how long can we stay when commercial property is going to go away? |
| 02:17:58.81 | David Carey | Thank you. |
| 02:18:03.11 | Scott Robinson | I'm Scott Robinson. I don't live in the affected area either. I live at 625 of Lima in the northern end of town. My... The main question is this really. The Marinership is an easier area to modify and do things in, I would really like to know why that is not under consideration. Thank you. |
| 02:18:25.48 | Elizabeth Held | Elizabeth held here tonight just to say that we're at 32 Crescent Avenue. Just to say that we concur with most of what's been said here tonight. Thank you. |
| 02:18:26.63 | Unknown | tonight. |
| 02:18:37.42 | David McGrain | Hi, David McGrain, 219 4th Street, two blocks up from the Golden Gate Market. I, too, want to just voice my support for my neighbours that have come out tonight, very short notice, to do everything they can to make sure this doesn't happen. I have three questions. The first relates to the consultants who mentioned When is Sacramento saying, when is someone going to come in and build something? I'm sorry, that's not a motivation for me. And it doesn't seem to reconcile with, well, these are never actually going to happen. It's just an exercise. If they're already saying that, something's going to happen, and it shouldn't happen where we're planning to do it. |
| 02:19:03.27 | Unknown | saying, |
| 02:19:21.97 | David McGrain | The second one is really for them as well. If they're representing Belvedere now, are we gonna see six to 11 unit large buildings going up in Belvedere? Is that part of the solution? Or if there's a different solution there, maybe there's, surely there's something that we can apply here. The third one is for the council. We elected you to represent us. And the third question is simply, will you please vote tonight in a way that represents us? |
| 02:19:53.37 | David Kleiman | David Kleiman, 20 year resident. I'm on Butte Street. I applaud the old town people for coming out in force. I would just like to reiterate that the Lincoln Butte site, I am fully aware, has been removed from consideration from rezoning or affordable housing overlay that was done back in December, but I am completely aware that it is still under consideration in terms of being listed on the site inventory for draft housing element. I'd like to remind the council that hundreds of people in the Butte, Lincoln, Nevada, Olima corridor have signed the Ask Us First petition. I just want to remind the council of that, that there are hundreds and hundreds of residents living in that area that are against the development of that site. Thank you. |
| 02:20:48.08 | Jim DeRiemer | problem. |
| 02:20:51.47 | Mayor Kelly | All right, anybody else want to speak? All right, seeing none, we'll close public comment. Jeff, do you have a list of answers? All right. I think that maybe we'll revise. I think that enough has been said on this point. Just bring it back to the council here and let everybody have a say. Linda, you want to start? |
| 02:21:18.94 | Councilmember Weiner | of the state. |
| 02:21:19.36 | Mayor Kelly | you We lost Linda. |
| 02:21:20.04 | Councilmember Weiner | Luda. |
| 02:21:22.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:23.43 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:21:23.45 | Vice Mayor Leone | Linda, can you hear us? |
| 02:21:25.27 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I can barely, it's really a stop and start. In fact, I asked Debbie if she could during council discussion if she could move the phone |
| 02:21:34.89 | Vice Mayor Leone | Well, we're now at the, it's come back up to the council for a comment. So it's your opportunity to comment. |
| 02:21:43.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I come back to me. |
| 02:21:45.91 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:21:45.92 | Mayor Kelly | Who would like to start? Somebody has to start. Thank you. |
| 02:21:52.49 | Councilmember Weiner | I'll start. |
| 02:21:53.37 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:21:56.49 | Councilmember Weiner | I live on 4th Street. I moved there in 1977. So I know Old Town very, very well. I opened up my first Shell station where there's a little office building right next to Teistel Rome. And I had the shell station at the north end of town where the car wash is for 33 years. I bought the land in 1984. |
| 02:22:28.10 | Councilmember Weiner | We box ourselves in pretty well, all right, with a lot of |
| 02:22:36.80 | Councilmember Weiner | I would probably have to say blocking everything in its way. you talk about moving ship I put that on the number one list of priorities for us. I wanted to do it five, six years ago when I got on the council. But others didn't. And you have councils here that don't want to even open up Pandora's box, as far as they look at it. You have also, my shell station is a CN2 zone. Commercial only. All right. and the reason that they put it there after that was they passed a traffic initiative. So basically it's stuck. In order to change it, you would have to vote on it, the public. If you really look at my shell station, It doesn't block anything. You can go up. All right? And by the way, those that – and I'm not spotting because it would go from the Yatwa all the way to Coloma Street. That's CN2. All right. but we boxed ourselves in once again. with a traffic initiative. You keep on blocking all of these potentials, where do you end up? and I ran the town, Old Town. All right? And that's kind of some of the displacements that's taken place. I think we've put ourselves into a box, but, you know, I, In 2009, they started this. I became mayor in 2011. going for two years. I recognize that This is more political than going anywhere. So I changed it. We moved two people, took in two more people, and we then went ahead with how to try to fix our problem. In October, we brought in a consultant because we knew I did not want to get ourselves into a position that all of a sudden we had to make a decision at a last minute. All right? I want to get ahead of it. And this is the purpose, and it's a wonderful purpose that you people have come out. and be able to express on why we have to really address these problems. |
| 02:25:00.55 | Mayor Kelly | All right. I know you. |
| 02:25:04.27 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Okay, well, There are a couple of problems with where we are right now. First, it is the parameters that we are working within, and secondly, it's a lack of resident involvement, resident notification, and and involvement as we go through the plan. Thankfully, you're all here tonight to speak up. So I would recommend, I'll say this about the south end. The change goes, as one of our speakers pointed out, goes directly against our general plan, which has a vision of many neighborhoods with residents serving businesses. Small neighborhoods keep our small town ambience. Services within walking distance serves our large senior population and busy young professionals alike. Cutbacks traffic and saves natural resources. That's what our local resident serving businesses do for us. And if we were to zone, spot zone, as mentioned, I do not trust what will happen in the future, and this council needs to look to the future. We need to be aware that the state is constantly, and I think most of us are, changing exemptions and incentives for affordable housing. We need to take responsibility for our plan. We don't want to kick it down the road. or we will have a change. we will have changed the character of our town and face even bigger demands in the future. We need to act responsibly. I believe that we should push back on the requirements. I would ask staff to gather more information and come back to us with a plan that, number one, removes old town residents serving businesses from the plan. Number two, demonstrates that liveaboards can accommodate families and pushes that concept as part of our uniqueness. Three, double check two bedroom apartments to see if any can be used for the low income. Four, emphasize that Sausalito should not be expected to accommodate significantly more development as it is already the highest density town in Marin County. Our infrastructure cannot support additional traffic. and sewage. Increasing our residents serving businesses will increase traffic, one of the problems this planning supposedly seeks to solve. I have just one more minute. Everybody else has. All right. I'll come back. |
| 02:28:15.60 | Mayor Kelly | All right. All right, Councilmember Pfeiffer. Council member Fyther. |
| 02:28:25.78 | Vice Mayor Leone | You'll hear me. |
| 02:28:26.81 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, yes. Sorry, can you hear me? This connection's not very good at all. |
| 02:28:32.55 | Mayor Kelly | Yes, we can hear you. |
| 02:28:34.35 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. Well, it's no secret that I do not support these revisions. I don't want to lose a resident serving businesses in all towns. I believe it's spot zoning, I believe it's illegal. We're in a recession. I don't think we want to be removing businesses during a recession. These businesses provide jobs. During global warming, we should not be removing businesses that residents can walk to. |
| 02:28:55.66 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:29:01.08 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | these revisions as proposed. These revisions would block views. Destroy Old Town's character during our sewers, storm drains, and roads and prevent a hazard, I mean, we know the heavy traffic and bicycles and dog walkers and pedestrians on Second Street. So, and the, and the, I'm just concerned on several levels. hcd sacramento I have looked into this. I don't see any legal precedent for Sacramento to mandate that Sosolito accommodate a specific size of households. Now, in terms of housing type, that has wide interpretation. That's one thing I would like the staff to look into. is the the ATD's legal right to mandate five. I also don't understand why HCD is setting one time frame for construction of second units and to hit us there while they're setting another time frame for all other housing types. That doesn't make sense to me either. Um, And as you know, I called HCD after I read their letter And I asked them why they had attacked our housing element in second unit, and they said it was because they had received two letters. Just two letters. attacking our second unit. One letter came from the League of Women Voters as addressed to Mayor Kelly and to HCD. The other letter, came from an affordable housing law firm in San Francisco. These two letters. came from agencies that aren't even based in Sausalito and have no knowledge about the constraints of our towns. |
| 02:30:50.01 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:30:50.84 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | and the environmental constraints. I think that cumulative impact on these four sites alone. would be just a real hit to the environment. I believe that HCD might have accepted our element had it not been for these two letters. I believe we need to push back. And we need to ask HCD to revisit our proposal in light of the use of second units And that we also need to revisit HCD's assertion that they can dictate the size of these units as well. |
| 02:31:31.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'm here. |
| 02:31:32.50 | Vice Mayor Leone | All right. |
| 02:31:33.36 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:31:34.69 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:31:34.73 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:31:34.75 | Vice Mayor Leone | Actually, state law requires that you look at the types of housing in terms of both supply and affordability. So that, I don't know where you get that point from, but so multifamily as well as single is required under state law. You know, as, I think, I forget the guy who's from Pew. Is he still here? David? Is it David? Yes. So what you guys can see is it's kind of like a whack-a-mole, right? You whack one part down and it pops up over here. And that's the nature of zoning, right, in a sense. And particularly when you see, when, and that's the problem with sort of adding increased density to, which is the whole goal of this from the state perspective, is to increase the supply of housing and the affordability thereof. |
| 02:31:53.12 | Councilmember Ford | Yes. |
| 02:32:17.41 | Vice Mayor Leone | So. All of us will have to shoulder some of this load. It can't be it just has to go to somewhere else, or it can't be there's some site somewhere which no one knows about, because there are no vacant lots essentially in Sausalito. The Marin chip is a huge can of worms, a bucket of worms, a barrel of worms, but there will be a lot of other costs to pay as a community when we do reopen that. and the character of your town will be very affected once that's opened. Um, Not that it won't be done, but it'll be done in a slow and deliberate fashion. The equivalent of this hearing, in my experience, is like the story polls that someone mentioned earlier. You know, you get things in the mail even in 300 feet of short distance. So this is your story poll, this meeting. So it got you out, got you aware of the issue. And my philosophy on the Planning Commission was always, I don't care if you come at the last minute. It's still a concern. So there's no done deal here. Okay. Um, As far as I think John, is it, mentioned as far as the omnibus ground floor, I wrote that with Mary. Okay. You're being played a little bit by some politics. You have genuine concerns, but you're also being played by some politics in this town. So be careful who you believe. The language about no office use or no residential on Caledonia here. I wrote that with Ron Albert. So you guys have to be a little bit careful what you ask for, because you just might get it in terms of who you ask for help. but the I think there's some alternatives here. You can't just say no. And that's been the problem with this process. You've got to have alternatives. I think the conversion from offices to residential, is an alternative. The ability instead of singularly identify single properties rather than zones as potential opportunities for let's say the CR1 zone or the CR1 zone, CN1, CN2, CR, and CC, which is downtown Tommy's Walk. and the two residents, 7-Eleven and Second Street. I live on Third Street, right? So I got the notice. I live within 300 feet of this. There's a lot of alternatives. You can't say just push back on the state. That's just, that doesn't accomplish anything. |
| 02:34:43.56 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. All right. Thank you. Does everybody want one more minute and then we're done? |
| 02:34:52.60 | Jim DeRiemer | You got it? |
| 02:34:53.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I definitely want one more minute. But you can go first with your three minutes. |
| 02:34:59.45 | Mayor Kelly | All right. You know, I've been on the council for almost eight years now, and I was here when the 2006 housing element was attempted, and it failed. It failed because, The school district at the time had proposed to put 24 units of affordable housing teacher oriented on the site of the MLK school grounds. And they were sitting in the aisle here from the north end telling us no way. They were slightly more agitated than you were tonight, believe me. |
| 02:35:31.16 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. |
| 02:35:31.21 | Councilmember Weiner | You folks are much better behaved. |
| 02:35:31.84 | Vice Mayor Leone | you Thank you. |
| 02:35:32.60 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:35:32.61 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:35:32.75 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:35:32.97 | Mayor Kelly | So, yes, so I've been through this once. We failed to get that housing element certified. We didn't even submit it. The council at the time caved in. We just said that's enough. We've had it. |
| 02:35:33.95 | Councilmember Weiner | Yes. |
| 02:35:44.71 | Mayor Kelly | I've been working on this since 2009, as you saw, and I've been part of the task force. I've examined every site in town, trying to find the places where affordable housing could go, Rotary tried to put affordable housing. By the way, Rotary has built most of the housing that's in this town. Marinship does not count. It belongs to the county. It does not count. Renn City. I'm sorry. Renn City. Renn City does not count. |
| 02:36:06.09 | Vice Mayor Leone | I'm sorry. Thank you. |
| 02:36:07.87 | Councilmember Ford | It's just... |
| 02:36:09.92 | Mayor Kelly | Marinship is, I was told when I first ran for the council, if you mention developing anything at all in the marinship, you are toast. It's a third rail of political will in the city. And that hasn't changed. It's maybe changed a little bit. We can now have a, we had a committee called the WAM committee which sat down there and tried to envision what could be done there. But it also has great problems, so it's not an easy place to go. And right now, it does not accommodate housing. The Butte Street site that was brought up earlier, that's where Rotary wanted to put in about 24 units of housing, which would, by the way, just almost make the whole deal good. It's a tough site. It's two acres, I think, close to two acres. even though it's vertical, a lot of it. But the residents up there came in and in mass and said, no way, you can't put it up here. So take it off. We took it off and they all left the room. Never to return. Well, you're back here because now you're worried that that's not going to go back on the list. So, you know, I caution you. I mean, I hear everything you say. I understand everything that you said. I've served on the Planning Commission. I've served on the Council. I know the issues in this town. as well as anybody, I think. But I can tell you that the state of California requires this by law. I gave, I said to you when you elected me, those of you who voted for me, that I would represent you in the best possible way. And I've done that, I believe. But I also gave an oath that I would uphold the laws of the state of California, as did every council member sitting up here. And the law is that we will do an affordable housing element. a housing element. And we can not do it and then suffer the slings and arrows of whatever that might bring. Typically, it's like a lawsuit. And Corte Madera had one. The judge took over their planning department. They built the project that nobody likes on the other side of the street. So I'll let the others speak there one minute now. Go ahead. We'll start and we'll just move across this way. Yeah, go. |
| 02:38:14.50 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:38:14.75 | Councilmember Ford | . Okay. Oh. |
| 02:38:18.33 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | so uh to finish where i pick up where i left off i just want to say that we need to in addition to the things i mentioned earlier that i'd like to see in the plan and places we need to look at we i agree that we should look at office to housing that we should look at incentives for apartment building owners with two or three bedroom units, because I believe we need to spread this throughout town. We don't want high density development anywhere in this town. We want to spread it throughout town, and let's do it. in a fashion that meets everyone's needs. And I commend the team for following the additional units and the liveaboards. programs. That was less than one minute. That was a minute. |
| 02:39:22.06 | Councilmember Weiner | Time goes by when you're having fun. Anyway. I'll go back to the marinship because that's the can of worms that I've been working on. |
| 02:39:35.51 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | start at the clock. |
| 02:39:37.01 | Councilmember Weiner | And by the way, as I told you, I put it on the top of the list. It's a no-brainer to me. We can't just let it keep on sitting and think that commercial maritime and things like that are come rolling in there because it isn't. But yet I have Councilwoman Ford and Councilwoman Pfeiffer put that on the bottom of their list. All right. because they don't want to touch it. Holy Grail. I'm not running for real action again in this term. I'm finishing out my two years that I have left, so I'm not holding back anything. I don't have to worry about re-election. And I'm telling you, if we really want to get on the ball, Let's go into the can of worms. Thank you. |
| 02:40:24.03 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
| 02:40:29.70 | Mayor Kelly | Council member Fyker? |
| 02:40:32.35 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. So I just want to add that you'll recall during the priority setting session that I set Consideration of withdrawing from ABAC as a top priority Just to consider it, to weigh the pros and cons. ABAG is the agency that allocated software to all of these units, the members in the first place. So I would... reiterate that and secondly I want to say that I really believe we need to go back to HCD given that was based on two letters that they received. and squish back. and challenge some of the assumptions that are being made. Because I don't believe that they hold water. |
| 02:41:22.48 | Mayor Kelly | All right, thank you. Jonathan. |
| 02:41:25.10 | Vice Mayor Leone | Yeah, I believe staff's done exactly that, but having talked to the state in the last, tried to resurrect the last cycle, it's, you're talking to a wall in a certain amount of ways. So, again, you need solutions. You can't just say no. I think the conversion of offices to residential and some of the commercial residential districts is one way to go. I'd say not singularly designating properties but making it a within the zoning districts have that opportunity. I think we should actually require the marinas to have a 10% live aboard requirement, not an option. to supply more affordable housing. I don't want to see the heightened review language weakened, having written that in 2002. I think that's part of what protects, it's protected some of you in housing developments right next to your house. So I don't think we want to set that aside. I think ground floor commercial is part of the character of these parts of town, so we need to retain that as well. |
| 02:42:31.00 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Just quickly, you can make a laundry list of things that sound good, but what's possible? It's not possible to get a market rate rental unit turned into an affordable rental unit without a subsidy. So that's just, take it off the table. Um, As far as ABEC is concerned, If we dropped out of ABAG tomorrow morning, we still will get an allocation from ABAG, and the state law still applies. It doesn't do anything but give us no voice in what ABAG has to say. Staying in ABAG at least gives us a voice. And so that's an unrealistic goal. Last but not least, all of you have read about what went on out at Lucas. I'm sure you've read it. And the kind of thing that's kind of a reverse of what we're talking about here Lucas tried to put a project in there and a group of folks, very small number of people, but they were well financed by somebody who had the money. to block it. And they did everything in their power, and at the end of the day, Lucas said, that's it. And then he turned it over. It's zoned for housing, by the way. And he turned it over for Affordable Housing and he's in partnership with the Marine Community Foundation. Big bucks. We've got to get a housing element that we can all live with so that we can get these kinds of real fears off the shelf. OK? |
| 02:43:54.58 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I have one more. I need one more round. If you get one more, everybody else gets one more. Okay. |
| 02:43:57.60 | Mayor Kelly | If you get one more, everybody else gets one more. Okay. Where do we stop? Thank you. |
| 02:44:00.72 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, when we have completed the discussion, we stop. |
| 02:44:01.57 | Mayor Kelly | We can click on. No, when we call it, we can call the question. |
| 02:44:06.88 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | No. No, you can't. You need a vote of four people to do that. |
| 02:44:11.66 | Mayor Kelly | to do that. You're right. |
| 02:44:13.58 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And I don't think Councilmember Pfeiffer would agree. |
| 02:44:16.06 | Mayor Kelly | No, of course not. |
| 02:44:17.12 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Of course not. I need to respond to Herb as well in regard to my friendship. All right, another minute. Okay. I say let's go back to the state and assert our right to local control over planning, using all of the items, most of the items that we have identified tonight that we can use. Outside agencies such as the advocacy group and the League of Women Voters should not do our planning for us. |
| 02:44:17.33 | Mayor Kelly | So. |
| 02:44:17.61 | Councilmember Ford | I need to. |
| 02:44:21.83 | Mayor Kelly | All right, another minute. |
| 02:44:43.53 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | nor should the state and development driven regional organizations such as ABAG. And I agree with Councilmember Pfeiffer that we should explore leaving ABAG. Now, in regard to the marineship, the marineship has, we have a marineship specific plan and we have a traffic initiative to prevent high density development in those areas. so that we do not have traffic problems on the one street that is our thoroughfare through town. So we need to be very careful if we touch that property. We need to protect our marine We need to protect our marine businesses and our artists who have lower rents in that area. It keeps Sausalito unique. |
| 02:45:28.94 | Councilmember Weiner | Keeps Sausalito unique. Thank you. |
| 02:45:31.54 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:45:31.56 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. Well, we'll stay right on this subject. All right. Hmm. If you think my friendship's bad, go to Second Street. Second Street is not going to get any better. Just so you know some numbers, we're kind of lucky in one way because The traffic, if you remember 10 years ago, you never thought of going down Bridgeway downtown. Everybody took up in the hills, okay? Now you don't even think of it. You go right through. Why? Because you have 320,000 bikes come through town. And by the way, it's an average last so far six reported accidents at the south end of town. You have 250,000 buses and bringing in from buses and shuttles, and you've got 600,000 people coming by ferry. Ten years ago, it was nowhere near that. So fortunately, we're lucky in one way. They're coming in on non-motorized transportation, and that's a plus. All right? I'll leave that. |
| 02:46:29.90 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Council member Pfeiffer. One minute. |
| 02:46:33.31 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you, Ms. Tamir. I want to add that one of the letters that Sacramento received from public advocates, are referred to the environmental pollution around the marine ships We all know about the toxins there. So we're going to get pushback no matter what we do, I think, from public advocates. I think nothing's going to satisfy them. beyond high density new construction and that's just more than our town can bear. I think we need to go back to HCD, challenge their assumptions, and revisit the use of second units. I have looked at the law on this, and I know that they cannot mandate two and three bedrooms home. And I just really want clarity on that from city staff. I think we need to push back. |
| 02:47:31.44 | Vice Mayor Leone | Okay, Charlie. All right. So you have to understand the true legality of some of this. But again, part of this, It is an imposition in some ways to have the potential for new construction around you. And the only way you would ever alleviate that is to buy the properties around you. and that's probably not an option for most of us. So the Thank you. What we do have, I think, a moral obligation to provide for diversity in this town, it's one of the things that makes Sausalito different from Mill Valley or Tiburon or Belvedere. The diversity here is really economic diversity. It's not a racial diversity. its economic diversity, and we need to enable people to both stay, because a lot of people leave every year because the cost of living here goes up, to enable have a more diverse community here because it makes our town a better place, families included. So I think we should try to shoulder this load, make sure it's the number we |
| 02:48:33.32 | Scott Robinson | the |
| 02:48:33.49 | Vice Mayor Leone | battle on the numbers already. That number, that battle will not be refought. And it is a subjective process at the end of the day on the state's behalf as well. |
| 02:48:39.75 | Scott Robinson | Thank you. |
| 02:48:39.78 | Mayor Kelly | and that you're just, |
| 02:48:40.31 | Scott Robinson | is, is, |
| 02:48:43.78 | Vice Mayor Leone | So there isn't a hard and fast rule on everything, unfortunately. |
| 02:48:46.90 | Mayor Kelly | Unfortunately, it's it's very clear. that we have been extraordinarily fortunate to get the state to count ADU units which don't exist. Nobody's ever seen them. We've got to prove them up. It's very true that we also have gotten a large number of liveaboards counted, which is extraordinary. No one else has done it. Now, we do have the largest boat population in the Bay Area, but nonetheless, it's extraordinary. To get more is out of the question. So we've got to satisfy the rest of this with what we have remaining. All right, on that note, I would like to provide direction. I will make a motion to provide direction to staff and consultants to explore all options to address HECD concerns on a variety of housing types, e.g. two and three bedroom units, and continue this item to June 12, 2012, at which time they'll present their findings. |
| 02:49:36.06 | Councilmember Weiner | I'll second. |
| 02:49:37.72 | Mayor Kelly | We have to call the roll. |
| 02:49:42.56 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Mr. Mayor, may I clarify? |
| 02:49:46.39 | Mayor Kelly | Excuse me? |
| 02:49:48.89 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | The connection was not good, so I just wanted to clarify that your motion was was not to, I just want to make sure we're not accepting the removal of the commercial use. We're keeping the commercial use in Old Town. |
| 02:50:04.60 | Mayor Kelly | This motion was to explore all options to address HDCD concerns on a variety of housing types and continue the item until June 12, 2012, at which point staff will bring back their findings. |
| 02:50:19.48 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I would like to make an amendment to that. |
| 02:50:22.92 | Mayor Kelly | I won't allow my motion to be amended. |
| 02:50:26.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:50:27.41 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | You can. |
| 02:50:27.43 | Unknown | Are you kidding me? THE END OF |
| 02:50:28.04 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:50:28.20 | Unknown | You can make an alternative. |
| 02:50:28.20 | Mayor Kelly | You can make an alternate motion if you want. |
| 02:50:29.03 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'm sorry. |
| 02:50:29.07 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:50:29.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah. |
| 02:50:29.27 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:50:29.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Bye. commercial businesses remain in Old Town. |
| 02:50:37.49 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO I second. |
| 02:50:39.98 | Vice Mayor Leone | Linda, would it be more productive to make the motion that covers the whole thing? So you would make a motion to address the Senate back to address all possibilities with the exception of X? that would give more direction to then you'd have a substitute motion. |
| 02:50:56.37 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | She, well. It's the same thing. |
| 02:51:00.50 | Vice Mayor Leone | Not to actually say it. |
| 02:51:02.31 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, she did. She said I vote to amend it and take Old Town out of there. She can't amend my motion. Yes, she can. |
| 02:51:07.59 | Vice Mayor Leone | Thank you. I can't amend my motion. |
| 02:51:08.52 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:51:08.72 | Vice Mayor Leone | Yeah. |
| 02:51:08.75 | Mayor Kelly | She can. No, I don't allow it. He has to accept it. I have to accept it, and I will not accept an amendment. |
| 02:51:09.41 | Vice Mayor Leone | I don't know how. He has to accept it. So she'd have to make a substitute motion. |
| 02:51:12.50 | Mayor Kelly | I'm sorry. Thank you. |
| 02:51:15.03 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. |
| 02:51:17.02 | Vice Mayor Leone | So Linda, you have to make a substitute motion. If you wish. |
| 02:51:22.04 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | to make things easier on the substitute motion because I agree with her I I I move that staff take everything they've heard here tonight back to the drawing board and come back to us with recommendations, with the exception of the removal of the commercial on the first floor of the businesses in Old Town. One second. you |
| 02:51:59.08 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:51:59.09 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:51:59.11 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Call the roll, Debbie. |
| 02:52:10.47 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Ford. |
| 02:52:12.16 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 02:52:13.81 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Weiner. |
| 02:52:15.26 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:52:15.28 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | No. |
| 02:52:15.65 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:52:16.61 | Debbie (Clerk) | Vice Mayor Leone. Mayor Kelly? |
| 02:52:23.46 | Mayor Kelly | No. |
| 02:52:26.26 | Debbie (Clerk) | Councilmember Pfeiffer. Thank you. |
| 02:52:28.73 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Bye. |
| 02:52:28.74 | Debbie (Clerk) | Yeah. |
| 02:52:28.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:52:30.30 | Mayor Kelly | Right. |
| 02:52:30.53 | Vice Mayor Leone | So, it's... |
| 02:52:30.62 | Mayor Kelly | you Okay good |
| 02:52:32.79 | Vice Mayor Leone | So what that means for you folks is to come back on the 12th |
| 02:52:36.73 | Mayor Kelly | Well, you don't have to. We just removed the retails. |
| 02:52:37.87 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 02:52:37.89 | Vice Mayor Leone | We moved the window. Yeah. |
| 02:52:39.63 | Mayor Kelly | . |
| 02:52:39.81 | Jeff Bradley | . |
| 02:52:41.33 | Mayor Kelly | So that's the problem. You won't show up again. We need you to show up. We need you to show up when we bring up the other sites to talk about it, because we're going to get a housing element, and we need your help to get it. Okay? Beg pardon? |
| 02:52:55.51 | Vice Mayor Leone | now you know what june twelve for june twelve june twelve |
| 02:52:56.13 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. I'm going to go. June 12th. Come on, James. |
| 02:52:59.83 | Councilmember Ford | I think that is leaving in June. |
| 02:53:02.48 | Mayor Kelly | Move adjournment. Second. |
| 02:53:04.35 | Councilmember Ford | Second. |
| 02:53:05.09 | Mayor Kelly | All favor, aye. |
| 02:53:07.00 | Councilmember Ford | Thank you. |
Karen Lehner — Against: Against high-density development in Old Town due to traffic, parking, and loss of neighborhood character. Emphasized Sausalito's uniqueness and high tourist impact. ▶ 📄
David Carey — Against: Read a letter from his father, a property owner, opposing the project due to potential view impacts. Open to discussing conversion of upper-story office to residential. ▶ 📄
Mike Muncie — Against: Criticized the process and site selection, arguing it effectively changes zoning. Suggested using Marinship sites instead to avoid impacting neighborhoods. ▶ 📄
Jan Johnson — Against: Concerned about parking, view impacts, property values, and sewer capacity. Requested a full EIR and questioned why Caledonia sites were excluded. ▶ 📄
Michael Stenberg — Against: Opposed as anti-small business. Presented a petition with 238 signatures requesting reevaluation of all rezoning opportunities, including Marinship. ▶ 📄
Bob Zalek — Against: A liveaboard, argued the council was not standing up for Sausalito residents against outside forces and should defend the town. ▶ 📄
Carrie Headington — Against: Opposed high-density development on 2nd Street due to view, traffic, parking, and sewer impacts. Demanded a full cumulative EIR and questioned the city's honesty about feasibility. ▶ 📄
Eckhart Nowak — Against: Business owner opposed to removing ground-floor retail, citing low vacancy rates. Argued the site selection method was flawed and urged consideration of Marinship. ▶ 📄
Patricia Hale — Against: Retired lawyer questioned the legal language used by HCD ('should' vs. 'shall') and felt the process was evasive. Urged precise technical answers. ▶ 📄