| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:00:07.37 | Unknown | We're going to go right. |
| 00:00:08.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:08.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:08.48 | Unknown | As soon as we get through, we'll go right into it. And we'll do this fast. |
| 00:01:01.79 | Unknown | Okay. I'd like to call the meeting to order. This is the October 9th meeting of the South Florida City Council. Debbie, would you call the roll? |
| 00:01:10.01 | Debbie | Council member Pfeiffer. Council member Ford? Here. Council member Weiner? |
| 00:01:14.89 | Unknown | President. |
| 00:01:15.41 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Leon. |
| 00:01:16.68 | Unknown | Here. |
| 00:01:17.17 | Debbie | Mayor Kelly. |
| 00:01:18.16 | Unknown | here. All right. the Council or Pledge of Allegiance. Tom, Pledge of Allegiance. Tom Theodoris, lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. |
| 00:01:35.32 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:01:35.44 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:01:35.46 | Unknown | I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:01:36.32 | Unknown | Thank you. To the flag. |
| 00:01:37.38 | Jonathon Goldman | you Yeah. |
| 00:01:37.97 | Jeff Bradley | Yeah. |
| 00:01:38.19 | Unknown | I have. |
| 00:01:38.36 | Jeff Bradley | to the community. |
| 00:01:38.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:46.06 | Unknown | it. |
| 00:01:47.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:47.56 | Unknown | liberty. |
| 00:01:48.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:50.36 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. All right. Council met in closed session. We had two items to consider. We gave direction. First is Gabriel versus Sausalito. We gave direction to the city attorney. And the second was questions on a consent calendar item, Marine School Lacey-Francet. All right. Let's see, approval of the agenda. Public comment on closed session. Anybody have anything to say about the closed session? All right. Seeing none, we'll move to approval of the agenda. I would like to change the order. I'd like to take A and make it number 3 or C, just to make it. |
| 00:02:24.36 | Sarah Mars | . |
| 00:02:24.40 | Unknown | I would like to... |
| 00:02:31.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:31.74 | Unknown | A to C. This is under what? The six business? |
| 00:02:31.84 | Unknown | to see this. So A. A becomes, I'm just plopping them around. A becomes. |
| 00:02:39.52 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:02:39.82 | Unknown | you Oh, public hearings. |
| 00:02:41.17 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:02:44.43 | Unknown | A becomes C. |
| 00:02:44.54 | Unknown | Thank you. become C. B stays in the same and C becomes 1. |
| 00:02:53.44 | Unknown | C becomes A. Okay, good. |
| 00:02:55.01 | Unknown | Good. Any other changes to the agenda? |
| 00:02:57.40 | Unknown | No, but Mr. Mayor, I'm not feeling well tonight, so I'll probably have to leave early. I just went getting up. |
| 00:03:03.78 | Unknown | Okay, we'll speed through as best we can. |
| 00:03:05.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:05.82 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. All in favor approve the agenda. So, moving. |
| 00:03:14.47 | Unknown | Second. |
| 00:03:16.09 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:03:17.50 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:03:17.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:17.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:18.09 | Unknown | Good. This is a time for public communications. It's a time when the city council hears from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. And I think Nancy, you have a matter that's not on the agenda. |
| 00:03:35.53 | Unknown | Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council Members. I'm here really just to make an announcement that Monday night at 7 o'clock, the Spinnaker Restaurant, there will be a candidates night. All six candidates have been invited, and as far as we know, they will be appearing. And it is moderated by the League of Women Voters, sponsored by the Sausalito Women's Club. And there will be a chance for the audience to submit questions as time allows. |
| 00:03:46.87 | Sarah Mars | All right. |
| 00:04:05.97 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. Thank you. Anyone else care to address the council on matters that are not on the agenda or a matter that's not on the agenda? All right. Seeing none, we'll move to action minutes of the previous meeting. Anybody have any move approval changes? Second. Mr. Mayor? |
| 00:04:24.24 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, I do have one comment on page 3A. and it's item 29. Councilmember Pfeiffer, line 29. Councilmember Pfeiffer requested discussion on the intersection of Alexander and Sal Street for traffic calming. and bicycle traffic mitigation. |
| 00:04:51.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:51.38 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:04:52.78 | Linda | So that was my... Right? |
| 00:04:53.99 | Unknown | Right. correctional as well. |
| 00:04:56.25 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:04:56.27 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:04:56.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:56.44 | Unknown | Thank you. I think the direct deputy to go back to the record and check the record because we can't make sure we come back with the minutes again if we went through this before. |
| 00:05:08.00 | Unknown | Okay, David, do you know what you're checking for? Okay, so we'll continue those to the next council meeting. All in favor of continuing that item? Aye. |
| 00:05:16.57 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:05:16.69 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:05:16.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:05:17.03 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. All right. That brings us to the consent calendar. The items on the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial. normally not requiring much discussion, and are expected to have unanimous council support. Members of the public or members of the council can remove any consent item for a fuller hearing. Does anybody care to remove any items from the consent? |
| 00:05:44.10 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, I'd like to pull 4D. |
| 00:05:50.98 | Unknown | Okay, I think in the interest of time tonight, we just continue that to the next meeting. Thank you. All right. Is that OK? Yes, it's fine. |
| 00:05:58.54 | Linda | All right. Is that okay? Yes, that's fine. Thank you. And Mr. Mayor, Mm-hmm. |
| 00:06:04.04 | Unknown | you |
| 00:06:04.36 | Linda | I would like to comment on item 4C regarding the Laisse for the Lazy Francais. So one of the things we wanted to clarify for residents is that the traffic mitigation study is in process, in progress right now. |
| 00:06:07.48 | Unknown | Okay. Okay. |
| 00:06:23.33 | Linda | and that the community will be involved and that they will have community workshops which will involve the residents with respect to that traffic mitigation. |
| 00:06:34.35 | Unknown | Just a mere point of order, you have to pull it. If people are going to comment on something, if they have questions, then a clarification, that's one thing. But if it's just to have a comment, it has to be pulled and placed on the agenda. |
| 00:06:46.23 | Unknown | Cat's out of the bag, so let's leave him at this time, but let's do that in the future. Yes. Mr. Mayor. Grandstanding. We should probably do it. |
| 00:06:50.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:50.82 | Linda | Mr. Mayor. I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor, we discussed this in closed session and we all agreed that we would make this comment. |
| 00:06:58.14 | Unknown | he would make this comment. I think he's right from a process standpoint. And council members |
| 00:07:00.84 | Linda | And that's what you have to do. |
| 00:07:02.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:02.95 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 00:07:03.29 | Linda | Yeah. |
| 00:07:03.31 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:07:03.96 | Mary Wagner | there. |
| 00:07:05.10 | Unknown | It doesn't matter. You still have to follow the process of removing things. We are. All right. All right. |
| 00:07:05.33 | Mary Wagner | So how do you still have to follow? We are. Mr. Mayor, staff does have two clarifications as well, if I may. Yes. So on item 4C, which is the resolution approving the second amendment to the Laissez-Français lease, there is a redlined version of the actual amendment itself. |
| 00:07:12.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:23.54 | Mary Wagner | with a change to Section 3 regarding the security deposit that It will be required prior to the commencement date, consistent with the other provisions of the lease. and that it's the full amount of the security deposit we made at that time instead of the way it was originally drafted, which was a lower portion on the effective date of this amendment and an increased amount later. And that's consistent with the remainder of the lease and it also |
| 00:07:44.55 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:07:48.97 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. you know, follows the process that they're not having access to that space. And when they do get access, they'll provide us with the security deposit. |
| 00:07:56.58 | Unknown | And that was the version you handed out in the closed session? |
| 00:07:58.56 | Mary Wagner | That's correct. Thank you. |
| 00:07:59.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:59.67 | Mary Wagner | And there's additional copies if need be. The other item is item 4F, and this is the award of a professional services agreement with Kimley Horn and Associates. Attachment 1 to that is the resolution. and you were provided with a late mail copy of a cleanup change to that in the Actual resolution itself, item number three, We're deleting CSW's Stuber-Stroh and replacing it with Kimley-Horn and Associates, and the date of the resolution is actually changed to from 2013 to 2012. |
| 00:08:32.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:32.41 | Unknown | Great. |
| 00:08:32.63 | Unknown | Thank you. All right, any other comment on the consent calendar. |
| 00:08:40.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:40.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:40.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:40.39 | Unknown | quick question on that. |
| 00:08:41.38 | Unknown | Thank you. or you Yes, or Thank you. |
| 00:08:47.29 | Unknown | speaking 4E, Where did Jeremy go? Was I just here a second ago? |
| 00:08:52.96 | Unknown | Thank you. right there. |
| 00:08:53.42 | Unknown | Oh, did that, I assume they went through the planning commission, but was there traffic and egress and ingress study done of how people would enter this particular garage construction in the right-of-way off North Street? |
| 00:09:10.09 | Unknown | No, I do not recall it. There was a turning movement setting on that. However, the Planning Commission did look closely at the proposed project and felt that it would be a significant improvement to the neighborhood by providing two off-street parking spaces. |
| 00:09:27.82 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:09:32.20 | Unknown | Yeah, I think It... There are some issues on the tightness of turns. There are garages on this particular street, and it may be something that's worth looking at. You want to pull it? Yeah, I pull it, but I'm not going to be able to discuss it. So before the encroachment agreement is... |
| 00:09:45.58 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:09:49.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:49.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:49.79 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:09:50.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:50.03 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 00:09:51.11 | Unknown | before the encroachment agreement is. If we continue back to next week, would that be a problem? Or to the next meeting? |
| 00:09:56.97 | Unknown | the applicant is interested in proceeding with construction or uh you're already passed the |
| 00:10:01.34 | Unknown | You're already past the grading stuff, so if they're gonna... |
| 00:10:05.30 | Unknown | So, In our discussions with them, they were interested in pulling the building from it tomorrow morning. Thank you. |
| 00:10:14.10 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:10:14.38 | Unknown | Yeah, but to have it open during the rainy season, to beat it by a week, was it the 15th is our cutoff for grading and that's a sizable amount of grading. |
| 00:10:24.69 | Unknown | The work they were wanting to do before October 15th was to repair some poorly installed drainage around the outside of the residence, essentially a French drain around the outside of the residence, and as part of that, some tie backs in the public right of way that are authorized by this encroachment agreement here. Is there a way to |
| 00:10:49.01 | Unknown | Is there a way to split that into two things where you have, you know, the tiebacks is a different issue all together. |
| 00:10:51.83 | Unknown | The tiebacks is a different issue. Yes, if you wish to proceed with authorizing an encroachment agreement for the tiebacks, that would allow them to proceed and then the construction that is contemplated here. They have not submitted their construction drawings yet for the larger project that is contemplated, the garage and all that. So that would allow them to proceed with the immediate work while not delaying them on the larger project. |
| 00:11:12.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:12.40 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:11:12.63 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 00:11:16.96 | Unknown | Okay, so. |
| 00:11:18.27 | Unknown | So what were the motions? |
| 00:11:19.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:19.18 | Unknown | look like then. |
| 00:11:19.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:20.55 | Unknown | Here, let me look at the... I Resolution here. |
| 00:11:33.34 | Unknown | So I'll make a motion to approve or to to split the encroachment agreement into two parts, one of which would allow for construction of drainage and structural integrity work to the existing building. subject to the approvals in the Planning Commission approval of August 27th. Is that right? Yes. And that's the stamp of the approval. September 5th. September 5th. |
| 00:12:02.72 | Unknown | STANDS. So, |
| 00:12:03.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:12:04.79 | Unknown | Um, |
| 00:12:04.95 | Unknown | Uh. |
| 00:12:05.27 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:12:05.28 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:12:05.76 | Unknown | and to have the planning director return with the additional accroachment agreement, which I think the fee will waive and make it part of the same fee. So there's no additional cost to the applicant for the garage construction. And that can be up to the schedule. That can be up to the planning director. |
| 00:12:28.40 | Unknown | Are you okay with that motion? That should be fine. The staff perspective that ought to be fine. Okay. So then do I have a motion? D is continued. So do I have a motion? I made it. For approval of the entire consent count. |
| 00:12:30.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:12:44.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:12:44.22 | Unknown | So I'll make the motion to approve 4A, B, C, |
| 00:12:46.68 | Unknown | question. |
| 00:12:50.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:12:50.32 | Unknown | No, before, |
| 00:12:50.97 | Unknown | For A, B, C and F and to continue |
| 00:12:51.73 | Unknown | Right, right. |
| 00:12:56.89 | Unknown | Item 4D and to motion for approval of 4E. Can we do it? Do I need two separate motions for this, Mary? No. As part of that motion, a motion to approve the drainage and building integrity work scheduled as permitted by the Planning Commission approval for 22 Atwood with the remaining improvements in the encroachment agreement, subject to the encroachment agreement, returning at a date on certain. |
| 00:13:04.09 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:13:04.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:04.65 | Unknown | as a matter of fact. |
| 00:13:23.11 | Mary Wagner | With no additional fees charged to the applicant? With no additional fees, yes. And Mr. Vice-Mayor, if I may, that includes the revisions read into the record by staff on items C and F. |
| 00:13:25.27 | Unknown | With no insult to the applicant. |
| 00:13:33.46 | Unknown | Yes. Second. |
| 00:13:36.95 | Unknown | All right. All in favor? |
| 00:13:38.54 | Unknown | Aye. |
| 00:13:38.72 | Unknown | Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Mm-hmm. Very good. Very good. We're ready to go to item five. A, F5A, and A is now item C, initial environmental study and declaration on the housing element update. Jeremy, your consultants are on their way, walking through the door any second now. |
| 00:14:03.66 | Unknown | No, that's a two. |
| 00:14:04.88 | Unknown | You're in procedure? |
| 00:14:04.89 | Unknown | You're right. |
| 00:14:11.61 | Unknown | Chief, you're going to present this negative declaration. |
| 00:14:13.62 | Unknown | negative declaration. |
| 00:14:15.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members. |
| 00:14:21.63 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:14:22.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:22.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:23.27 | Unknown | Thank you. waiting for the consultants, but I'll present the staff report on the IES ND for you tonight. The general plan amendment to adopt that housing element is considered a project under CEQA, the Environmental Quality Act. And an IES-ND, which is an initial environmental study negative declaration, was prepared for the housing element update to address the environmental impacts of the housing element the update. The IES MD was released to the public on July 23rd of this year for a public comment period. The Planning Commission discussed the document on August 22nd and in addition on September 5th at which time the public comment period was closed. On September 19th, the Planning Commission reviewed the responses to comments provided by the consultant and voted 3-1 to recommend City Council approval of the IES&D. And this recommendation included an additional statement to be added to the document, which stated that this IES ND applies only to the housing element update and does not apply to actual housing projects that may be proposed in the future, including those that are proposed as a result of the housing element policies and programs. Any actual projects that are proposed must still undergo environmental review, as required by CEQA, and the city's required zoning and design review process. The issues raised during the public comment period were related mainly to why a negative declaration was appropriate as opposed to an EIR. The city needs to determine whether or not it can be fairly argued that, based on substantial evidence, that the project may have a significant effect on the environment. The housing element update contains no actual development projects. No traffic, noise, biological impacts are proposed as a part of the housing element, and therefore there are no traffic, noise, biological impacts created. and EIR is only needed if there are potentially significant impacts on the environment. Staff is recommending this evening that the council conduct a public hearing and approve the draft resolution, which approves the IES ND. |
| 00:16:52.43 | Unknown | Okay, any questions of staff? |
| 00:16:58.45 | Linda | I have some questions regarding the, should I wait for the consultants to arrive for the negative declaration? |
| 00:17:00.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:17:04.98 | Unknown | No, go ahead. If we have a question we can't answer, we'll... |
| 00:17:07.92 | Linda | Okay. |
| 00:17:07.97 | Unknown | Okay. I think that it is why I called on to it. |
| 00:17:09.85 | Linda | Okay, great. |
| 00:17:10.25 | Unknown | Great. |
| 00:17:11.48 | Linda | So in the negative declaration, you marked under page 12, you marked substantial adverse effect on a scenic vista was less than significant impact. And, um... So I know that there has been a lot of public comment regarding the impact to view sheds for some parcels along 2nd Street. Thank you. you One of the sources there is referenced to the EIR from 1995. And the EIR from 1995 has a statement that a key community goal is to protect and preserve public view sheds I'm sorry, a key community goal is to protect and preserve public view sheds throughout the city. So I'm just wondering if you could comment on the alignment between that public goal as stated in the original EIR in 95 versus the impacts of keeping that parcel along Second Street. with regards to being it marked less than significant impact. |
| 00:18:31.81 | Unknown | So the city has in place stringent design review procedures for new development projects and included our standards that the Planning Commission has to review with regard to view impacts from private properties. Those standards are not changing. So in the future if this housing element was adopted, any project that came through the city's process in terms of a design review permit would still go to the Planning Commission to be evaluated with regards to view impacts in the same way that happens today. |
| 00:19:00.98 | Mary Wagner | if they were. If I could add to that, Mr. Mayor, also, There's nothing in the housing element that changes the development potential of that site. So the housing element as a project itself does not impact the view shed related to 107, 109? because that, any, Anything that could be developed there today IS NOT ALTERED BY THE HOUSING ELEMENT INCLUSION. of that site in the site inventory list doesn't alter that. And as Lilly indicated, any project that is proposed on that site would be subject to the City's regulations regarding views and design review. and all those other factors, and CEQA as well. |
| 00:19:48.65 | Linda | So, Lily, I have another question with regards to page 31, item 16e and It states here that require or result in the construction of new water, wastewater treatment facilities or expansion of existing facilities, et cetera, and it says no impact. And I was just wondering because it References, source number one, or the original 95 EIR, for that. for that finding. Where in the 1995 EIR does it provide an analysis of the city's sewer system, the viability of the city sewer system with regards to capacity. |
| 00:20:40.97 | Unknown | Okay. And I don't have that information at the top of my head right now. |
| 00:20:47.79 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, and Mr. Mayor, if I may as well, the answer to this is somewhat similar to the answer to the view question in that, while I can't point you to the specific page potentially previous EIR. THE Housing element as a policy document is not imposing any changes to zoning that would result in new impacts. So there's nothing that is changing based upon the housing element being adopted that changes the developability, if you will, of any piece of property that's different than what exists in the current zoning today. |
| 00:21:24.94 | Linda | So the reason I ask that question is it follows up another question. which is we're in the, because the current the current housing element update. References throughout this negative deck, references throughout the original EIR that was done for the housing element in 1995. And so it builds on the findings from the EIR. |
| 00:21:49.80 | Unknown | from the EIR. |
| 00:21:51.39 | Linda | Yes, I was just framing the question per Mary's comment. So where in the 1995 EIR, are you aware of what infiltration and inflow study that 1995 EIR was based on? |
| 00:22:12.19 | Unknown | I think I'd go back to the city attorney's response in that I can't point you right now to that specific reference, but the housing element update doesn't change the development potential. |
| 00:22:23.06 | Linda | Okay. And the origin of my question, and I guess I'll go to Mary for this question if that's okay. is, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mary, because I want to get this right. It's my understanding that this... Housing element update. Throughout this negative declaration document, in the decision on whether to do a full EIR or a neg-dec, refers back to the EIR that was conducted in 95. |
| 00:22:55.14 | Mary Wagner | I'm, the THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION WAS PREPARED FOR THE HOUSING ELEMENT. based upon the standards in CEQA. of when you need to prepare which type of environmental document. and we laid those out for you in your staff report. when you can adopt a categorical exemption, when you prepare a negative declaration which is in the case where there are no potentially significant impacts proposed by the project. The project in this case, as we discussed previously, is the policy document, which is the housing element. We also included the standards for mitigated NEGDAQ and an EIR. I think it's important to look at the definitions we also included in your staff report of what is the project, what does its significant effect mean, and what is substantial evidence, and you have them in there, so I won't bore you by reading them again. But the negative declaration refers to the previous EIR in various places. I don't know how many. We can look through that for you. But- It does so because there's no change being made based on this document that alters the condition Um, that was looked at at that point based on the fact that there's no changes in the zoning. |
| 00:24:08.11 | Linda | Well, with respect to CEQA, Section 21166 of CEQA and Section 15162 of CEQA guidelines A subsequent EIR is required. when new information which was not known or could not have been known at the time of the Environmental Impact Report was certified as complete becomes available. And the reason I'm asking these questions is it's my understanding and this is just a question that the EIR by which this I mean, this current update of the housing element refers back to the EIR from 1995. This is question three. And it's my under... Yeah, my question. |
| 00:24:46.06 | Unknown | Okay, this is question three. And it's my understanding. Yeah, my question. Question three, not statement three. Thank you. |
| 00:24:49.33 | Linda | Thank you. My question is, Is it, is it? Is it true, my understanding is, is it true that the 1995 EIR References Um In 1986... infiltration and inflow study. which was nearly a decade old. For 95. and that I look at this new negative DAC document and it refers to the 95 EIR with respect to sewers and wastewater. And I'm raising these questions because I just have, you know, concerns. |
| 00:25:28.81 | Unknown | Just raising the question, that's all we're doing. |
| 00:25:30.95 | Linda | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:25:34.68 | Unknown | Does anybody care to answer that? |
| 00:25:38.00 | Mary Wagner | You know, your consultant is here as well. I would suggest that if there are other questions that you want to ask us now, we'll create a list for all of us to respond to. And if you want to take public comment, |
| 00:25:47.25 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:25:49.17 | Mary Wagner | and then have a full list of those questions, we'd be happy to answer them. |
| 00:25:53.09 | Unknown | Okay, do you have more questions? Council Member Pfeiffer? |
| 00:25:58.88 | Linda | I will hold my questions. I'm fine. |
| 00:26:00.95 | Unknown | Okay, do you have any questions? |
| 00:26:02.54 | Unknown | you |
| 00:26:02.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:26:02.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:26:03.41 | Linda | them. |
| 00:26:04.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:26:04.31 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:26:04.34 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:26:04.41 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:26:04.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:26:04.49 | Linda | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:26:04.90 | Unknown | Yeah, one question. Lily, let's assume for |
| 00:26:06.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:26:09.56 | Unknown | Kicks and giggles at the statement that was just made is correct. So is the staff or consultant aware of any new information which would invalidate any prior studies under sewer capacity, whatever the things you just said? |
| 00:26:25.13 | Unknown | I'm not, but I'll... |
| 00:26:28.12 | Unknown | Okay, save the question for a minute and we'll bring the consultant up here. Okay. |
| 00:26:32.96 | Mary Wagner | And Mr. Mayor, if I may, we have to keep in mind that it's this document as a policy document making a change. |
| 00:26:40.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:26:40.59 | Unknown | But... |
| 00:26:41.00 | Mary Wagner | that's causing a physical impact. Thank you. is that this document, this policy document itself, causing some impact to the environment. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO ANALYZE IN TERMS OF whether or not you believe that the negative declaration can be approved. |
| 00:26:59.05 | Unknown | Okay, thank you, Lilly. All right, we'll take public comment on this. How many people want to speak on this issue? |
| 00:27:08.69 | Unknown | done. Okay, please come up. This is the initial environmental study negative declaration on the housing element update. |
| 00:27:15.51 | Adam Politzer | This is just initial. |
| 00:27:21.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:21.98 | Unknown | C. It's formerly C, now A. |
| 00:27:22.00 | Unknown | C. Let me see. Now, A-House. Thank you. |
| 00:27:25.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:29.83 | Unknown | Okay, each person has three minutes. |
| 00:27:32.36 | Dr Fessel | Mr. Mayor. Yes. Council members. No, I'm told not to. I'm being kicked out. |
| 00:27:46.57 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, we're just... All right. Do I have any other members of the public who would like to speak on this issue? Mr. Mayor, if I may. |
| 00:27:52.85 | Adam Politzer | Yes. checking and Yeah. Okay. We wanted to make sure with the consultants here that we give them their opportunity. |
| 00:28:01.20 | Unknown | I was going to do that immediately after we closed public comment. Okay. So I'm going to close public comment and ask that the question be answered by our consultant or somebody as best it can be. |
| 00:28:13.69 | Unknown | Sure. Yeah. |
| 00:28:15.93 | Unknown | Yep. |
| 00:28:18.72 | Unknown | you Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:28:21.03 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:28:21.15 | Unknown | the phrase and the question. |
| 00:28:22.13 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:28:22.18 | Unknown | Well, let's see if we know what the question is. |
| 00:28:22.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:25.30 | Mary Wagner | So, Mr. Mayor, I apologize as I was consulting with our consultant. Public comment is closed, is that correct? And we're coming back to the council questions on the utilization. |
| 00:28:30.89 | Unknown | Yes. The utilization or? The questions are over. We're going to answer that one question. |
| 00:28:36.56 | Mary Wagner | Okay. The question about the The 95 EIR and the... |
| 00:28:40.32 | Unknown | 95 EIR. |
| 00:28:41.97 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:28:42.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:44.34 | Jeff Bradley | There is a brief description in the 1995 EIR regarding sewer or septic tanks, and it does reference an expansion of the sewage treatment plant from 1987 from a primary treatment and disposal facility to a primary and secondary treatment facility. And it also references the capacity. One thing we did spend some time thinking about was knowing that there's an ongoing issue in Sausalito with leakage from sewer laterals, which go from the property |
| 00:29:15.74 | Sarah Mars | It's absolutely |
| 00:29:24.21 | Jeff Bradley | perpendicularly up to the street and join the main line or lateral in the main trunk line in the street itself. And obviously that's a multi-year project to have funding and the actual work done to replace all those sewer laterals over time that may be leaking simply because they're old. And so we thought about that and said, well, by adding some incremental amount of housing to the housing element, even though it's consistent with the general plan, are we doing something that will exacerbate that? And conceptually, what we thought of was, well, if you have a property that has a house on it with an aging lateral that's leaking and it's replaced consistent with the housing element and the general plan with two or three units, that lateral is going to be replaced. So we thought on average, it's going to be a net improvement in that regard. |
| 00:30:22.09 | Linda | So I have a follow-up question to that. When you reference that section of the 95 EIR, I see you're framed page 5-38. |
| 00:30:24.10 | Jeff Bradley | this is. |
| 00:30:24.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:30:30.93 | Unknown | That's right. |
| 00:30:31.44 | Linda | And, um... They refer at the time, and this was 1995, and that comment refers to the Sassudos Marin City Sanitary District. requirements but I did not see any analysis on the Sausalito city of Sausalito, Schuwer, with respect to the bridgeway force main pipe. which runs along Second Street, parallel to Second Street, and in fact runs I think under the beach with sensitive, you know, impact to the environment. as well as the reference. Okay, and so my question is, |
| 00:31:08.53 | Sarah Mars | That's a good reference. Okay. |
| 00:31:12.94 | Linda | I noticed that in your MEG deck you refer to this 95 EIR to build the case of no impact. for that area of town along 2nd Street. But would you agree, given that the 95 EIR was based on a 1986 INI study and did not include an analysis of the city of Sausalito's sewer lines or lateral lines, that it is insufficient in finding case for no impact for the NEG deck? |
| 00:31:51.19 | Jeff Bradley | Typically, when the city does the general plan and the subsequent EIR like we have here, this is within the public services section of the EIR where you look at all the public utilities that serve population and development. Typically regardless of individual ownership of jurisdiction, they're looking at the whole system as an aggregate and making a determination whether there's adequate capacity as opposed to whether an individual line that may be owned by the city or owned by the special district is at the end of its life or may need to be replaced, which would be within the normal course of things that individual components of the system would need to be replaced from time to time. That's a given. But really it's a capacity issue. Is the general plan advocating and allowing the amount of development that's in sync with the amount of water that's available to serve the community with the amount of sewer capacity processing that's needed to serve the community? Since the housing element was developed so closely to fit under that umbrella, and early in the process, you'll recall, we have eliminated strategies that may have triggered an EIR, like wholesale rezonings of parcels that under the existing zoning and general plan would not be eligible to receive any residential units. I think there you'd have a clear case of, oh, wait a second, we're adding units on properties that wasn't anticipated back in 1995. I think there would be a more compelling case to do an EIR at that point. |
| 00:32:14.58 | Unknown | you |
| 00:33:19.68 | Linda | So another question, Mr. Mayor, regarding the sewers? So what you just said with regards to capacity, I noticed the 95 EIR refers to a capacity of 1.8 million gallons per day. up to 5.5 during storm. stormy weather. Are you familiar with the EPA mandates in the Riverwatch lawsuit? that found 12 point excess million per gallon per day. |
| 00:33:44.02 | Unknown | Is there a question? |
| 00:33:46.65 | Linda | My question is going back to the viability of this EIR from 1995, And the bar of whether or not to do a new EIR is whether new information has surfaced. Thank you. Don't you feel that the fact that we have the Riverwatch lawsuit, the EPA mandates, the realization of the deplorable state of Saucedo Sewers that there is a case for an EIR as opposed to a NegDec? |
| 00:34:16.84 | Unknown | I think that question is asked and answered. So it's the same issue. Different phrasing. And those are turning into statements. Save your statement for the three minutes at the middle. |
| 00:34:26.14 | Unknown | Okay, all right. |
| 00:34:27.12 | Unknown | Thank you. Any more questions? Anymore? Which by asking? Question? |
| 00:34:31.17 | Unknown | I think I should. Thank you. |
| 00:34:31.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:32.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:32.06 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:34:32.42 | Unknown | What's the common practice in California, since you folks have done so many of these, |
| 00:34:32.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:37.49 | Unknown | And actually, Councilmember Pfeiffer was active in for your selection as a consultant for the city. What's a common practice in California between whether an EIR is required or whether a mitigated negative declaration is more commonplace for a housing element update? |
| 00:34:55.96 | Jeff Bradley | In discussing that question with myself and Karen Werner, who's done over 100 of these throughout the state, she can only recall one city that routinely, almost by policy, does an EIR on their housing element, and that city is Santa Monica. |
| 00:35:14.30 | Unknown | Okay, that would seem to be 99 to 1. All right. |
| 00:35:18.38 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:35:19.33 | Unknown | Yep. |
| 00:35:21.05 | Unknown | All right. Seeing no more questions, thank you very much. Thank you. We'll bring this back to the table and the council can discuss. We'll have three minutes with one-minute rebuttals. |
| 00:35:24.16 | Unknown | thinking, |
| 00:35:24.37 | Jeff Bradley | you know, |
| 00:35:24.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:30.99 | Unknown | We go in the kitchen. |
| 00:35:32.27 | Unknown | We had public comments. |
| 00:35:33.74 | Unknown | Yep, no one came up. Yep. |
| 00:35:34.85 | Unknown | Yep, no one came up. Yep. Okay. So who wants to start? |
| 00:35:38.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:44.47 | Unknown | Nobody wants to talk. |
| 00:35:45.38 | Unknown | I'll start. Well, I believe that in any project, and certainly a project as large as this, it is a mistake to go about it piecemeal. And I believe that the only way to plan for business planning or any kind of planning is to look at the total impact of what changes you're making and how that's affecting the overall whole. of the entity you're planning for. So I think to say that we don't need an EIR is wrong. We will be having more parking, more traffic, more infrastructure burden. and more incentive for builders to build. This is not, even though we're not changing the zoning, we are increasing the number of units. And so I think that we had better step back, do it right, and plan to do an EIR. |
| 00:37:06.59 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:37:06.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:08.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:08.83 | Unknown | her. |
| 00:37:12.41 | Unknown | Well, we are the only city in Marin County where our population in the last 10 years has gone down. No other city has done that here. I mentioned to a few people earlier. I agree that there is a problem on Second Street, but unless we can show some numbers somewhere else that would be acceptable, I think we have to move ahead. I mentioned to everybody before There's five parcels. down on Bridgeway, between Tommy's walk and Scott's. That's a CN2. if we change it. Unfortunately, we can't. as a council, say that we're going to do that because there is a traffic initiative that's blocking that, which means that goes to a vote to the public. But down on those those five those five parcels we could possibly, and where that is located is down on Bridgeway on the front side or the back side of MLK. doesn't really have anybody's view effect like we have down on Second Street. If we move in that direction, we could put minimum 30 units, maximum 55 units. And in my opinion, that's the direction we should go. and be able to take the numbers are for 2nd Street. But unless you have numbers, to bring up the Sacramento we're not going to be able to move at all. And this will go on when we have the next round in 2014. and where is it? in a community like this where there is no room, they're gonna go back to the same places. and in 2022. Every eight years. So. This should have been done three years ago. We should have seen this coming. But we didn't. And that's why I made changes in the housing element and found out all about this. So I hope that you work with me And we do take things off of 2nd Street, but not until we have numbers to offer Sacramento. And by the way, I believe, if this is correct, Jeff, we can always, even if we pass this, we can always go back to the state. and if they accept a change in the numbers in location then we have the ability to take it off at Second Street. |
| 00:39:51.17 | Unknown | Okay. Linda? |
| 00:39:58.27 | Linda | So the purpose of an EIR is to inform the public, to inform the public about the environmental impact of a project. The housing element that we have here updated is a project by definition and I have reviewed CEQA. I have read every page of the 1995 EIR. I have read every page of I've also reviewed the negative deck. And I have found, frankly, the 1995 EIR woefully inadequate when it comes to the analysis of the city's sewers. It was based on a 1986 INI study. We know between 2005 and 2008 that more than 34,000 gallons of raw sewage has been dumped into the bay through spills. and lakes of which only 290 gallons have been reclaimed. This is a tragedy and it's focused along Second Street. We have studies that show that the main bridgeway force line that runs parallel to Second Street is terribly strained. This is fact. It is fact and to move forward on this with some of the recommendations, without doing an EIR means that we have not informed the public, and it means that the public has not been able to weigh in on comment because they have not been properly informed. And so that is my opinion. I think it's a mistake to go forward. with a negative declaration alone. I think the public needs a full EIR to understand the full cumulative impacts of this, especially in the areas of town that we already know are impacted by fragile and crumbling sewer infrastructures. And that is my comment. |
| 00:42:08.33 | Unknown | I'm going to break with a little tradition here and ask Adam, is it possible to have Jonathan come up and address the sewer issue along 2nd Street? |
| 00:42:18.39 | Adam Politzer | You can ask him any question. Sure. I don't know if they'll have an answer. |
| 00:42:22.08 | Unknown | I know. |
| 00:42:28.91 | Unknown | Good evening. Good evening. Could you characterize the condition of the South Lido Marin City sewer districts pipes, say from 2005 to now, and what's happened? |
| 00:42:44.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:42:45.76 | Jonathon Goldman | Not particularly accurately, no. The fact is that both the city of Sausalito's facilities and Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District facilities, as well as those of Tano Pai's Community Services District, were prior to the EPA administrative order, were being operated, maintained in a way that did not comply with federal law, at least in the opinion of the Environmental Protection Agency, and that's why we're operating under an administrative order. I can certainly state that since that time, as a result of improvements in maintenance activities more than anything else, in addition to some planning for and capital improvements, that the environmental harm that EPA was concerned about at that point in time, the frequency, the magnitude of overflows and issues of that nature have significantly improved, but by no means are they perfect or are we done with a long-term process of upgrading and replacing public facilities as well as addressing private facilities that the EPA holds this municipality and the special district and TCSD accountable. |
| 00:42:50.65 | Unknown | I think. |
| 00:43:17.77 | Sarah Mars | way. |
| 00:43:45.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:44:23.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:44:24.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:44:24.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:44:24.17 | Unknown | No questions? |
| 00:44:25.12 | Unknown | Jonathan, is the issue with the Bridgeway Force Main, it's not 2nd Street, but the Bridgeway Force Main, is the issue more its length of operation, its time existing, its ability to be maintained, or is it a capacity issue? with. |
| 00:44:39.14 | Jonathon Goldman | The best answer I can offer is that there is a Bridgeway, of course, Maine. But that is by no means the only facility under Bridgeway. Forced mains, by definition, are owned and operated by South City Marine City Sanitary District. They are pressurized lines that leave a lift station or a pump station. And there is a series of those pump stations that convey waste water from where it will no longer flow by gravity to eventually reach the treatment plant where it's treated and then the treated effluent is discharged to San Francisco Bay. There are, by the nature of a force main, a... a leak or some kind of issue that poses an environmental risk is obvious. Because if a forced mare leaks, as we saw in the marine ship a couple years ago as a result of |
| 00:45:41.63 | Unknown | here. |
| 00:45:46.89 | Jonathon Goldman | damage caused by an underground utility contractor, the wastewater appears under high pressure and is obvious. So in a narrow sense, with respect to that force main, it's not leaking, at least not significantly. In addition, because the capacity of pump stations really has to do with their pumps, not the size of the pipes. I'm certainly not aware of any capacity limitations. And in fact, the Sausalito-Maroon City Sanitary District's treatment plant, as council is aware, has the capacity to handle not only all the wastewater that the three communities that it serves generate, but also a significant amount of water that isn't wastewater. |
| 00:46:13.15 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:46:35.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Inflow and infiltration is the term that was alluded to earlier. That represents groundwater, stormwater, and in some cases, seawater that's getting into the lines and being transmitted, conveyed to the wastewater treatment plant where it has to be dealt with there. One of our highest priorities among the three agencies is to reduce that needless conveyance and treatment of water that is not wastewater. And that's why, for example, the city of Sausalito has a project that we're opening bids for on the 15th to address that issue as well as reliability of the pump station in Lot 1, the anchor pump station. Our next highest priority for that level of significant improvements is is Gate 5 Road where there is a significant inflow and infiltration issue compounded by the fact that what's inflowing is salt water which has negative impacts on the treatment process of the treatment plan. It's also the Marin City Sanitary District's highest priority in the short term in addition to the the reliability of the Main Street pump station, is they have a headworks project that is intended to also improve the reliability of their treatment capacity. |
| 00:46:51.37 | Unknown | there. |
| 00:47:27.99 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 00:47:32.58 | Unknown | Bye. Thank you. |
| 00:47:39.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:47:51.57 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. All right, Jonathan, you're up. |
| 00:47:55.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:47:57.96 | Unknown | What am I commenting on? Just the secret analysis? |
| 00:48:01.45 | Unknown | analysis. |
| 00:48:03.07 | Unknown | I think, you know, I understand folks' concern about individual project construction and I think we would all share that if a project was proposed next door to us. There is no proposal for individual projects inside this housing element, but it will still be subject to the full extent of any project that results from this particular document will still have to go full sequel review, full review under our own zoning and zoning building ordinances. I think the protection is there. Ironclad? No. It's not ironclad for me with my neighbor. regardless of what they want to build and under what aspect of the zoning ordinance. That's where you have another forum to come in here and raise your concerns and have them addressed. And hopefully you find an audience that is intelligent and can understand your concerns. Does it work every time? No. But that's the nature of the beast here, unfortunately. But I think all the protections that you have currently will exist going forward. So there is nothing here, I think, that artificially adds to the development potential of any particular site. And that's where you would trigger a CEQA review, where you're increasing the potential for development. We all could have our own opinions about whether it's |
| 00:49:42.33 | Unknown | whether any development of any kind is positive, negative, or has whatever degree of impact, but at the end of the day, The protections are still there. And I hope that... people down the road who sit up here or who sit on the planning commission understand the Um, the clarification that adopting this document does not waive any of those protections for anyone in years to come. And I think the statement that Lilly made in terms of what the added statement that you read sort of clarifies that in adopting the approval of this particular document. I will note for the record that having reviewed all the minutes of the Housing |
| 00:50:23.81 | Sarah Mars | and let's have it. |
| 00:50:26.09 | Unknown | prior incarnation of that, there was no Um, mention of by Councilmember Fiefer during her time on that committee in the minutes to adopt, to use anything but There's no mention of performing a full EIRR in any of those documents for two years. |
| 00:50:45.82 | Unknown | It's my turn. I'm going to be brief. Today, if somebody came with an application, somebody bought 107, 207, 107. 107. Somebody bought the property today. and came in tomorrow morning and filed an application It wouldn't be a housing element application because we haven't approved a housing element. It would be a regular application. They would go through the process. CEQA would be applied. Um, It would be heard by the Planning Commission. First of all, we go through our excellent staff. who would tell them what they think is possible and what's not possible and so on. They would come to the Planning Commission, the Planning Commission would hear it, And if it was approved, it could be appealed to the Council and the council would hear it. So it could be appealed if it wasn't approved, too, under either circumstance. There is no additional burden being imposed on any of the properties in the housing, covered by the housing element from the south end of town to the north end of town. It is a fair document that includes housing on both ends of the spectrum in everybody's neighborhood. In 2006, the people from the north felt they were getting more of it than they should. They came in and complained the people in the south had nothing. So we have tried to be as fair as possible and make everybody share our burden, which is to come up with an affordable housing plan or a housing plan, because it's all kinds of housing, not just affordable, it's also market rate housing. We're not increasing the unit size in any, the possibility of unit sizes in any of the projects. So sewers are always considered when you bring a project in as a mitigation if you're going to try Hook up to a sewer, have electric, gas, water, any utility, you're going to have to prove up under CEQA that it's not having an impact that would disturb. So all that being said, does anybody want to have a rebuttal? I've got one minute of rebuttal. |
| 00:52:43.69 | Linda | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to say something. So in response to the comment earlier that when I was on the housing element, I did not request an EIR. I would say that when I was on the housing element, we did not have the VMU or the HMU programs. It was a very minimal impact approach and focused on the existing infrastructure and credits from the existing infrastructure. And just for the record, too, I wrote probably 80 percent of the section on the housing element with respect to the endangered species and some of the impact with respect to Saucido's fragile ecosystem being bordered by the GDNRA and Richardson Bay. Thank you. |
| 00:53:33.10 | Unknown | Thank you. I'll take my one-minute rebuttal. The state housing, Office of State Housing, |
| 00:53:36.17 | Linda | I'm sorry. |
| 00:53:41.97 | Unknown | Categorically said, you cannot fulfill your entire housing element plan with liveaboards and ADUs. You've got to have a balanced plan. What we have here tonight is a balanced plan. All right, does anybody else care to speak? |
| 00:54:01.21 | Unknown | Yes. The only thing I would say to that is a lot of these comments are directed at the document itself, the housing element document. This is an EIR that we're talking about and it affects the entire city. And I believe that we need to look at that total effect. |
| 00:54:01.26 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:54:22.54 | Unknown | and and make sure that what we're doing is not overloading. any of our infrastructure or overloading our traffic and parking any more than it already is. So that's why I would want an EIR, not because of this section of town or that section of town, but we've got to see what the total impact to the city is. |
| 00:54:51.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:51.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:52.06 | Unknown | So, |
| 00:54:52.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:52.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:52.68 | Unknown | Yeah. We did drop the ball about three years ago. This should have been addressed, like I mentioned about the CN2. and because We weren't open to listening to that area. What happens naturally is that when you take away some of the areas that could be used, it only forces the M group to go into the neighborhoods, and that's what's happened. I'm sorry that I waited so long, but when I became mayor, after this was going on for two years. We ended up bringing in the M group. And finally realizing that This could have been done. or change that CN2. A long time ago. But at that time there, be. Chairperson. of the housing element wouldn't look at that. didn't even bring it up. So what we did was we created our own problem. I hope that we can... |
| 00:55:58.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:58.49 | Unknown | hands up. |
| 00:55:59.03 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:56:00.18 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, thank you. |
| 00:56:02.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:56:02.48 | Linda | Thank you. Thank you. So I want to stress that when I was on the Planning Commission from the get-go – I'm sorry, Planning. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. When I was on the Housing Element Task Force, one of the things I did was present a goal that this Housing Element would have minimal impact on Sausalito. And from the start, that was the vision. Not only my vision, but the vision of everyone on the housing element task force. And that is why, |
| 00:56:11.45 | Carrie Headington | Go. |
| 00:56:11.98 | Sarah Mars | Bye. |
| 00:56:12.03 | Unknown | I'm sorry, planning. |
| 00:56:35.99 | Linda | We're counting Liveaboards today. It's why we're counting second units today. because we drove the first ever survey of liveaboards in Sausalito history, as well as the first ever survey of second units in Sausalito history. And of that, we are very proud of that. And it's one of the reasons we've been able to mitigate these numbers so much. The other thing I would comment on is we do need an EIR to look at the cumulative effects. I had focused on the old town, but it's the whole impact of all of Sausalito as well. |
| 00:57:04.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:57:04.34 | Unknown | that it's still |
| 00:57:05.34 | Unknown | Hello. |
| 00:57:07.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:57:07.34 | Unknown | as well. |
| 00:57:08.14 | Unknown | Anybody else care to speak on this issue? |
| 00:57:08.29 | Unknown | Bye. I would just add, you know, Councilmember Fryefer may remember from her time on the sewer committee that um, The capacity constraints do not exist currently. at the Saucy-Talmurin City processing plant, it's because the standards of of filtration and how they can treat the waste and discharge it going forward. are going to change, that that will develop because of change in federal law, will change capacity constraints. And if anything, the city has been much more proactive in both maintaining and repairing its sewer lines, as well as working with residents to decrease the amount of stormwater that leaks into the system and seawater for that matter. So from a common sense standpoint rather than from a |
| 00:57:54.31 | Sarah Mars | and, |
| 00:57:58.80 | Unknown | a stalling standpoint, You know, the city has come a long way since 1995 in terms of its maintenance and actually the state of the sewers. So there's nothing but improvement on the sewer front as far as the city goes. |
| 00:58:12.95 | Unknown | Okay. All right, does anybody else care to say anything? Let's say you have something new to add. All right, I'll make the motion that we approve a resolution for the adoption of the initial environmental study, negative declaration for the housing element update. Second. |
| 00:58:28.92 | Unknown | I'll second. |
| 00:58:29.59 | Unknown | All right. Call the roll, Debbie. |
| 00:58:35.11 | Debbie | Council member Pfeiffer. |
| 00:58:36.46 | Unknown | No. |
| 00:58:38.69 | Debbie | as a member Ford. |
| 00:58:39.84 | Unknown | Hello. |
| 00:58:40.78 | Debbie | Council member Weiner? |
| 00:58:41.78 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:58:43.41 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Leon? |
| 00:58:44.48 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:58:45.15 | Debbie | Mayor Kelly. |
| 00:58:45.99 | Unknown | Thank you. Yes. All right, we'll move on to item B, which is a general plan amendment to update the housing element. Lily? Oh. |
| 00:58:55.26 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:58:55.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:58:55.43 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:58:55.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:58:55.60 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 00:58:55.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:58:55.82 | Jeff Bradley | Jeff. Good evening, Mayor, honorable members of the City Council. Jeff Bradley with Metropolitan Fine Group, consultant to the city. Just a quick overview. The city has worked for a long time on this housing element draft. since early 2009, first efforts to form up the task force and really getting started in late 2009 with meetings. We, as your consultant, started almost exactly a year ago, October of last year, if you can believe it. In terms of where we stand now, HCD, which is the State Department of Housing and Community Development, has granted a conditional certification to the city based on a draft of the city transmitted to HCD in June of this year. And we have a letter dated August 16, 2012, with a conditional certification, which we're very happy to report. and just a quick refresher on the seven overarching goals of the housing element. Sometimes they get lost in all the detailed debates about the various features of the plan. I'd like to just go through those real quickly using the short titles. Preserving Housing and Neighborhood Assets, Encouraging Diversity in Housing, encouraging diversity in housing, enhancing housing affordability, reducing governmental constraints, promoting equal housing opportunities, implementing environmental sustainability, and promoting community involvement. And so those are really the themes and goals that we tried to interweave throughout the entire document and informed everything that we recommended to the City Council. As part of the HCD conditional certification, there were some minor changes required to the document. The upshot was to actually lengthen the time requirements that the city has to comply with the live-a-board policies. |
| 01:00:57.80 | Jeff Bradley | In terms of the sites in the inventory and why we recommend that they should remain in the inventory as commented and discussed at the task force level and the planning commission and with the neighbors, we do have a healthy buffer built into the document in terms of the RHNA target and the RHNA potential that we've identified with using the existing zoning and the existing general plan to the extent possible. In spite of that, we do have very few sites of any considerable size. And in most cities, you'd be talking about development projects of at least 10 to 20 units. Anything below that is considered sort of small potatoes, not worthy of really inclusion in a global policy document such as this. due to the unique nature of Sausalito we have gone down to two unit projects theoretical potential a global policy document such as this. Due to the unique nature of Sausalito, we have gone down to two-unit projects, theoretical potential future possible projects to show that the city is zoned appropriately. It has an open door to future housing development that meets those seven overarching goals. we were able to convince HCD that really, we were able to keep the two-unit projects in there, but we were able to convince them that four-unit projects within the context of Sausalito with very small lots, very small setbacks, fairly dense development pattern, and examples of these small projects actually being built in the community over the years that it was a viable strategy. Within that universe of what we call larger projects, in Sausalito, four or more, we only have 10 of those sites. And so removal of those sites, in our view, could cause HCD to reevaluate the conditional certification. So in conclusion, staff and the consultants do recommend that the City Council conduct a public hearing on the adoption of the housing element and approve the draft resolution in your packet, Attachment 1, which adopts the housing element update as part of the City's general plan. Thank you. |
| 01:03:07.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:07.05 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 01:03:07.15 | Unknown | Thank you. Any questions? |
| 01:03:08.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:10.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:10.98 | Unknown | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:03:11.42 | Unknown | Thank you. Oh, quite a good question. |
| 01:03:12.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:12.08 | Unknown | and |
| 01:03:12.25 | Unknown | Yes, I have a. Jeff, as you heard me mention that CN2 when, That's open to go back any time to the state. If the initiative was changed and that became available for a minimum 30 to 55 units, then could we possibly remove those numbers at that end and put them at that parcel at any time, or what's the time frame? |
| 01:03:42.74 | Jeff Bradley | Cities are limited under state law to changes to your general plan to four times per year. So assuming you're operating within that constraint, which usually isn't much of a constraint because you can bundle up several changes at the same time and that just counts as one time. Definitely that's within the city's discretion to change the housing element from a policy perspective or a site perspective, strategy perspective, and submit that to HCD as a revision to your adopted housing element, and they can review it and give you feedback. |
| 01:04:22.16 | Unknown | So you can add numbers there and dismiss numbers here. |
| 01:04:25.43 | Jeff Bradley | Yeah. Correct. It's not a static document. The council has discretion to change it. |
| 01:04:27.88 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:04:27.97 | Sarah Mars | It's not a |
| 01:04:31.85 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:04:40.47 | Unknown | Okay. Any other questions? That's it. All right. We'll open public comment. How many people want to speak on this matter? Okay, why don't you line up there so we can make it speed through. There'll be three minutes apiece. |
| 01:04:59.44 | Dr Fessel | Mr Mayor, honourable council members, my name is Dr Fessel. And I would like to urge you to remove 107 to 111 2nd Street. from consideration from this housing element. And my reason for this position is that development of that side, contravenes goal number one of the housing element. which states that it should enhance and maintain the quality of existing housing. Development of 107 to 111 2nd Street who seriously detract from the quality of three buildings immediately in the rear of that site. And let me be quite clear. I myself have no financial interest in any one of those three buildings. Now of course, judgment is always difficult when there are conflicting needs, which in this case is the need to provide low-cost housing On the one hand, And on the other hand, not to be detrimental to the residents and owners of the three buildings on Third Street in rear of the Second Street property. And I hope to convince you that the balance of these needs is greatly in favor of the residents and owners of the Third Street properties and against the development of on 10721 112nd Street. So, on one side of the ledger is the need to satisfy the demand of sacramentals, plus the provision of perhaps two, probably only one, but maybe two, low-income units for six or maybe aged persons. On the other side of the ledger are the 20 residents of the buildings on 3rd Street whose enjoyment of views and quality of lifestyles will be destroyed. Plus the owners of those three properties whose property values and rental incomes will decline by perhaps 30%. So, In some. You must weigh the benefit of low-cost housing for six or maximum eight persons versus the detriment to 20 others. Moreover, And as is usual in such cases, the profits of developers and investment bankers that wonderful tribe. are counterbalanced by the financial losses to the owners of the of the Third Street properties. I hope that you will agree with me that the scales of justice clearly weigh in favour of your removing the 2nd Street site. from the housing element. Thank you for your attention. Thank you. |
| 01:07:41.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:07:41.59 | Dr Fessel | to do. |
| 01:07:41.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:07:41.79 | Dr Fessel | Thank you. |
| 01:07:47.60 | Sarah Mars | Hello, Mr. Mayor and Honourable Council Members. My name is Sarah Mars. I'm one of the owners with my husband here of 110 Third Street. And we would support the removal of Second Street from the housing element. We currently house people in six units, four of which overlook Second Street and the Bay. At least six tenants who would lose their Bay view. So I understand that if there were such a development, only one apartment could be offered for affordable housing in a development of six apartments. So while the property developers reap their profits from 80% of the building at market rate, at the expense of the local residents, quality of life, and property rental values. So there may be some pressure from Sacramento to offer more affordable housing. but I'm in favor of affordable housing, but as the proportion of the development will be so low, it seems to me like a token that's thrown out to neutralize opposition from progressives to developments like this, which are really intended for profit. And that's my point. Thank you. |
| 01:07:53.00 | Unknown | Aww. |
| 01:08:10.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:15.87 | Marlon Forsley | Thank you. |
| 01:09:28.36 | Carrie Headington | Thank you. |
| 01:09:30.33 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. I couldn't have been microphone first. Yeah. |
| 01:09:35.46 | Unknown | it. |
| 01:09:41.98 | Unknown | Yeah, we'll pass them on. |
| 01:09:47.85 | Carrie Headington | My name is Carrie Headington. I'm on 3rd Street at Old Town, right behind the 107 2nd Street site. During the last council meeting on this topic, it was agreed that the housing element would be sent on to the state and that there would be an opportunity for tweaking that element before final adoption. We are requesting a pretty minor change, the removal of 107 2nd Street from the site inventory in Appendix G. Granted, what M Group said, that it's one of 10 sites of four units, it's not a valid site. It's not feasible for those four units. It's not OK to include this as holding it up as a key site in this entire thing. We're making a rational argument on the grounds that You don't need it. way more than you need you have an 80 percent 88 percent buffer in this you don't need these four units which again Shouldn't ever be built It's inconsistent with your goal of having a low impact on the existing community. Even if they don't talk, Everyone here, pretty much, is from our neighborhood. We're a tight-knit neighborhood. Views are our passion. As documented many letters, testimony, photos from all these residents over many months, it's obvious that any upward development of this particular site in our relatively flat neighborhood would have severe impacts on over 30, at least 30, neighboring houses, and office spaces. We don't want to wait. We don't need to wait for story polls to prove that there are severe issues with this. All you have to do is stand in front of this property and look and see the devastating effect In that photo I just pointed out, if you could notice the windows in the three blocks behind that property, People try to look out of their windows. This is by no means a low impact site. We want to know that the city prioritizes view preservation by acknowledging view obstruction is a constraint now. not later when it could be too late. The fact is other sites have been removed for other constraints such as slopes. Yet, why not see severe view impact as a constraint now? Developing a site with slope issues is actually possible. Could be done, it would just be expensive for the developer. Developing a site with severe known view impacts would also be expensive for the developer in legal fees, and also for numerous neighbors in legal fees and decline in property value and net worth. As you can see, people are really concerned about this. We're already wondering whether we should be investing in our neighborhoods. People are already in our neighborhood. People are already wondering whether they should you know, buy into our neighborhood. They're hearing about this. |
| 01:12:44.48 | Sarah Mars | you know, bias. |
| 01:12:47.82 | Carrie Headington | How can... So anyway. Thank you. |
| 01:12:50.60 | Marlon Forsley | Thank you. |
| 01:12:54.82 | Marlon Forsley | Hi, my name is Marlon Forsley, I'm on 107 3rd Street, so if the construction happens on 2nd, I'll be directly affected. I just moved here, this is my first month in San Salido, so I didn't know that this was actually happening. In fact, if I knew, I wouldn't have bought the house, I would have moved somewhere else. I did look at the disclosure documents, there was no disclosure that this was going on. So there's a number of issues here, there's a precedence that we're setting that the view you have today will not be there tomorrow. I'm not sure about the disclosure documents. At what point do you tell the public that this is going on? And the third thing is, you know, there's about 25 units that are going to be effective. That's like 25 million worth of cost. If there's a 30% discount, that's 6 million million. So the cost of $6 million versus the building on the second street, I hope you take that cost argument in place. |
| 01:13:45.40 | Unknown | Let me ask you a question. You just bought your house a month ago? Yes. A month ago, did you know that it was zoned for the exact number of units that we've been talking about tonight? No. Then what changed? |
| 01:13:49.40 | Marlon Forsley | Yes. |
| 01:13:55.39 | Marlon Forsley | No. |
| 01:13:58.90 | Marlon Forsley | There was no documents anywhere in the bank. |
| 01:14:00.35 | Unknown | But, you know, I'm in the real estate business. Due diligence is something we do as routine. |
| 01:14:04.75 | Marlon Forsley | Yeah. |
| 01:14:07.98 | Unknown | And knowing the zoning of the properties around me for view impact or any other impact would be something I would want to know. So we're not changing anything about the property that you bought a month ago is exactly the same property you're going to own tomorrow. |
| 01:14:22.20 | Marlon Forsley | Yeah, but my view will be different. |
| 01:14:22.56 | Unknown | And No, your view isn't going to change. |
| 01:14:26.24 | Marlon Forsley | upload will be done. |
| 01:14:26.66 | Unknown | Your view is not until somebody, and they could do it today on that property, But your view will not change until somebody files an application. And then it may not change then. You have an opportunity to come down and say, No way. You have that same opportunity right now. Nothing changes. |
| 01:14:44.55 | Marlon Forsley | But it is, if I may add to that, if I knew that this is actually going on, that will have a significant impact on my decision to buy the property. |
| 01:14:44.65 | Unknown | Absolutely. |
| 01:14:53.66 | Unknown | I love it. But it's been going on since 1995. |
| 01:14:57.07 | Marlon Forsley | I didn't know. Is that 1998? |
| 01:14:57.88 | Unknown | In 1995, the zoning was changed or revised. So I just wanted to point out that a month really makes no difference. Thank you for your comments. Thank you. |
| 01:15:09.86 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:15:13.76 | Jeff Heddington | Hello, Jeff Heddington, 108 3rd Street, and with all due respect, Mayor, I think the issue is listing this property which is fundamentally infeasible because of the 30 people, 25 people, the destruction, the lawsuits that would flare up. It just doesn't make sense. to have it on the list. And so we're concerned about momentum that could be generated by having this property on the list. And certainly it would be. It's on a list. Sausalito says it's feasible. The state government stamps it approved. You've got momentum. A developer can buy the property. And I know we have our checks and balances, but things can change. There can be different sets of people and different understandings of what happens, of what is supposed to happen. So we want this removed. I want to dig into the chart that you have, which has the numbers on it, the RHNA numbers. So we're proposing, we have a mandate, I guess, call it, of 165 affordable units, including low income, mid, moderate, etc. M Group has proposed 311 units, which has been pointed out as 88% buffer. This property is designated as moderate income. There are only four units in this list that are moderate income. If you look in the column that is moderate income, There is a 276% cushion. That's, it's actually 3.7 times more than what you need for this category. Okay, if you take, we only need 34 is the RHNA number designated, MDrup is proposing 128. We're talking about removing four from the 128 to qualify for the 34. This is not a big change. Indeed, we already have a significant buffer, as M Group says in the staff report, that we need. We understand that. M Group talks about this being a key site. How could it possibly be a key site to establish the numbers that we need when the cushion is so dramatically huge and unnecessary? It does not make any sense. It is not a key site. And this particular key site causes all this consternation. It's just unnecessary. We know that the state intends for the city to do a thoughtful review of the housing element and changes and to add numbers to this, but the state will surely find out about the sort of questionable accounting that has gone into this if the site remains on the list. I would propose We put up a large-scale building in the elephant park. If that's what we need is numbers, I think that's more appropriate. |
| 01:18:19.69 | Unknown | Thank you for your comments. All right, anyone else care to address the council on this matter? All right, seeing that, I'll bring it back up here. OK, three minutes. Who wants to start? |
| 01:18:33.52 | Linda | Actually, I have a question for the M group again, if I may, Mr. Mayor. Okay. So, Jeff, can I ask a quick question? So, Lily sent out an email because I had contacted Sacramento with some questions that I needed a little bit more in-depth understanding of. But I actually had a follow-up call with Sacramento following Lily's email to the council members. And in that follow-up discussion with Sacramento... Do you have a question? Yes, I needed to provide context, Mr. Mayor. I'm getting to the questions. |
| 01:18:39.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:19:04.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:19:04.57 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 01:19:05.03 | Unknown | And... |
| 01:19:05.52 | Sarah Mars | you |
| 01:19:09.99 | Unknown | to your question. Just ask the question. |
| 01:19:13.21 | Linda | And so what I asked Sacramento, Melinda, was if given that this site along Second Street that we've just heard of mostly accommodated moderate in housing and that we had such a large buffer whether or not that would be okay and easier and she implied it would be easier to remove that because it was moderate and because we had such a large buffer. Is that your understanding, that perhaps it would be easier to mitigate something like that if we removed this 2nd Street parcel from just a spotlight in the housing element? |
| 01:19:55.97 | Jeff Bradley | No, my view is because of what I described earlier about having a very small, very small projects as defined by unit count, and I actually misspoke. Originally we had a two unit minimum for projects, but as we got into it, we found we actually had to lower it to the one unit threshold, which is really aggressive from a housing policy perspective to have that be part of your package. And that relates to part of the reason why we need such a healthy buffer is because Sacramento knows that this is a very challenging development environment all over in county is challenging. Every single project is hard fought and won or lost. Not all projects get approved. In a lot of cities that don't have as passionate love of their community, it's sort of a given that if a project goes through the process. it's going to get approved eventually in some shape or another. In Marin County, that's not the expectation. Projects get denied all the time or simply withdrawn in the face of overwhelming opposition. So this, if you remember from the task force, there was some talk of, well, let's just do the 165 units. Let's just nail that number and be done. And our response was, that's a very risky strategy. Actually, it's not risky because we knew it wouldn't be approved. |
| 01:21:26.74 | Unknown | Oh, okay. |
| 01:21:28.72 | Jeff Bradley | We needed to go above that because of the environment that we're in, the very unique scenario we have where we're counting very small unit count projects of one, two, three, four. It was really a negotiated settlement, if you will, between the city, HCD, and as you recall, we had some third-party legal aid public advocacy groups that were interacting in the mix there. It was really a give and take. Thank you. And as you recall, we had some third party legal aid public advocacy groups that were interacting in the mix there. And so it was really a give and take by all three parties to come up with a solution that worked. |
| 01:21:54.18 | Sarah Mars | I'm not sure. |
| 01:22:01.71 | Jeff Bradley | I'm not going to stand here and say it would be impossible to get HCZ certification if you took out this site. What I told the Planning Commission was it would be possibly open it up to be reviewed by HCD. And that's obviously a decision for the council. |
| 01:22:19.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:19.60 | Unknown | Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. It would possibly open up what for review, by whom again? |
| 01:22:27.34 | Jeff Bradley | to have HCD have an opportunity to say, well, we gave you a conditional certification based on the June 2012 draft. You've made some technical edits. You've removed some sites, one or more sites if that's what happens. And they would possibly say, well, we need to look at that |
| 01:22:42.90 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 01:22:42.92 | Unknown | as well. |
| 01:22:43.31 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:22:48.72 | Unknown | And? |
| 01:22:50.27 | Jeff Bradley | And they can either approve it or not. You've got to go back through it. |
| 01:22:52.93 | Unknown | Yeah. And how long would that take? |
| 01:22:56.28 | Jeff Bradley | Well, just the HCD review process takes 60 days. |
| 01:23:03.35 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:23:03.57 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 01:23:04.55 | Unknown | Okay, this time for- Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. |
| 01:23:05.60 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you, Jeff. Thanks for the regular season. Thank you. |
| 01:23:08.43 | Unknown | Any more questions? Yeah, I just, real quick, I'm going to go back to what I started. If you had that property down there, would it be very, how many units are we talking about up on 2nd Street? All of them. |
| 01:23:21.51 | Jeff Bradley | There's only two sites on 2nd Street. How many units? And we have five units. |
| 01:23:23.10 | Unknown | How many units? Thank you. five units. And would you say that I'm accurate in saying with those five parcels down at that end, the north end of town on that CN2? You could put, I believe, minimum six, maximum 11 per parcel. |
| 01:23:43.43 | Jeff Bradley | I can't speak specifically to those parcels. |
| 01:23:46.60 | Unknown | In other words, yeah, you know CN2 is... |
| 01:23:49.03 | Jeff Bradley | Those are the ones that require the vote? Mm-hmm. Well, it's a traffic initiative. A traffic initiative. |
| 01:23:51.04 | Unknown | Well, as a traffic initiative. Yep, and that's why we can't, as a council, guarantee the state, because it could be overridden by a vote from the public. |
| 01:23:54.74 | Jeff Bradley | and I... |
| 01:24:05.06 | Jeff Bradley | Right. So assuming you could get through all that procedurally and it were approved, then yeah, if we could simply substitute units for another, that has potential. |
| 01:24:15.80 | Unknown | And with that a number, you can almost go into 2014 and beyond. Is that right? |
| 01:24:23.00 | Jeff Bradley | Well, we're hopeful that the next – we know with some certainty that the next cycle, which is 2014 to 2022, will have a much lower number, housing target number, planning target. Where are you going to go? |
| 01:24:42.09 | Unknown | Where are you going to go in a small town? But back to the same places. |
| 01:24:44.82 | Jeff Bradley | Well, those units would essentially fit into what we've identified for this current planning period. |
| 01:24:52.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:24:52.65 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. Any more questions? Thank you, Jeff. Thank you. |
| 01:24:57.82 | Jeff Bradley | THANK YOU. |
| 01:24:58.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:24:59.86 | Unknown | Who would like to start comments? you know. I'm finished. I'm finished. You always look down here. No, I look down there sometimes. No, I'm okay. |
| 01:25:04.47 | Unknown | I'm finished. |
| 01:25:06.96 | Unknown | No, I look down there sometimes. I don't know. Well, I will start. I think that this is a really good plan. I know that our consultants and our volunteers have worked on it for now several years. However, there are two things that are wrong with it. First is that we're not having an overall EIR review report. Because we need to know, as I said regarding that, we need to know the full impact. on our town. Second is we have unfairly, we are unfairly burdening, I believe, the south end of town with yet more density and the probability that this will be built. And I simply don't trust the state when it comes to affordable housing. to stick with what they tell us the first time around. There are changes that are made. There are changes that continue to be made. is it AB or SB? 375 is one of them and who knows what's coming down the pike. So I don't think that we should be doing this and the other reason for the south end of town is that it is the most dense part of Sausalito. So I think, although I hate to say this because we desperately need a housing element, we've got to do better. We've got to find a way to accomplish. and EIR And determine where we can pull those units where go back to the state and tell them no Um, and work through that. I mean, We saw a court of Madera push back on a bag and they had their numbers reduced. And I think for the future, if we ever do get this housing, element approved. then we need to push back on ABAG in the state because if we don't have an approved housing element, we will lose out on grants and money for the town. So it's important we have one, but it's important we have a fair one. |
| 01:27:41.77 | Unknown | Okay. Linda? |
| 01:27:49.49 | Linda | So I remain very concerned about this housing element as it stands. I do not see this as minimal impact, which was the goal that I put forth, what, two and a half years ago, and which had passed. I am very concerned that we are not doing a cumulative EIR. I think an EIR informs the public. I don't think the public has been informed enough to comment on this proposed housing element because we have not done an EIR to inform them of the traffic and parking and aesthetic impacts as well as the impact to our water quality and our sewers. I am concerned about the density. With respect to doing an EIR, Oakland did an EIR for their housing element. San Francisco did an EIR for their housing element. Santa Barbara did an EIR. So although a negative deck is commonly done, it is not unheard of to do an EIR. And in Sausalito's case, when you take a good hard look at the at the 1995 EIR. which is being referenced in our negative deck as the So, you know, I'm not going to be able to do that. This housing element, I think, does put an undue burden on the southern end of town. I am concerned about the cumulative effects. I do believe that development will happen if we put a spotlight on these areas. And I do think that we need to go back to Sacramento and push back. Corte Madera, Novato, San Rafael, many of these cities in Marin have pushed back. We've never pushed back in terms of what Sacramento is asking for. And the fact that I talk... have pushed back. We've never pushed back in terms of what Sacramento is asking for. And the fact that I talked to them today and they indicated that because that one parcel along 2nd Street does focus on moderate income housing, that it would be easier to remove that piece. I think that I'd rather take another two months and do this right than rush this through. So thank you for, and by the way, thank you for everyone for coming and participating in this because we're all listening to you. We're all listening to you up here. and we appreciate your participation. |
| 01:30:17.94 | Unknown | Mary, for a proposed project. or for an impact report, is it 300 feet or 500 feet in those cases in terms of notice? |
| 01:30:32.31 | Mary Wagner | Notice experience. |
| 01:30:33.51 | Unknown | Okay. So as far as voting on this particular thing, this particular item, if you're within 300 feet and have a financial interest within 300 feet of this site, would that constitute conflict of interest? |
| 01:30:49.14 | Mary Wagner | Conflict adventures? Conflicts is 500 feet. Notice is 300 feet. |
| 01:30:51.43 | Unknown | Notice it's $300. Okay. So if you were within 500 feet and had a property within 500 feet, would that constitute potential conflict of interest here? |
| 01:31:00.81 | Mary Wagner | if it can be... reasonably foreseen that the impact of your decision will have a material financial effect on your that you own, then there's a potential that that's a conflict. There are exceptions in the conflict of interest rules for policy documents that apply citywide, so we would have to go through that whole analysis. |
| 01:31:12.46 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 01:31:12.48 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:31:21.50 | Mary Wagner | Okay. |
| 01:31:22.08 | Unknown | So as far as clarity on voting, on removing a particular item, if there's a potential conflict of interest, what would be your advice? |
| 01:31:31.98 | Mary Wagner | I would say take five minutes and whoever thinks they have a conflict, we should talk |
| 01:31:37.57 | Unknown | you have two council members within 500 feet of this particular project site this proposed site 107 second street |
| 01:31:48.05 | Unknown | It's possible I haven't. |
| 01:31:49.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:50.16 | Unknown | I haven't measured it, but it has no impact on my property whatsoever. I'm on the beach and my view is... |
| 01:31:55.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:55.66 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE It's within, if you're within it. And we're talking about removal, isn't it? This is what is the issue, removal of the products. |
| 01:32:00.20 | Unknown | we're talking about right now. |
| 01:32:03.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:03.88 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, may I comment on that as well? |
| 01:32:03.91 | Unknown | Thank you. as well? No, not till we get done here. Anything else you want to say about it? |
| 01:32:11.71 | Mary Wagner | Not unless you want to take a break and let me. look through it. |
| 01:32:15.98 | Unknown | Well, it would come up only if we voted to take it out. |
| 01:32:18.25 | Mary Wagner | Well. |
| 01:32:18.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:18.90 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:32:18.91 | Unknown | Thank you. I think people need to be aware of that as far as a matter of consideration. |
| 01:32:20.26 | Unknown | you |
| 01:32:23.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:24.89 | Mary Wagner | If I may, Mr. Mayor, so the analysis is when you're doing a project or a citywide document like a general plan amendment, Typically there's no impact on a particular decision-maker that's different from its impact on the public generally. That's the presumption. So there's presumed to be no material financials. impact that can be rebutted. by evidence that there clearly is. So, That's the only hesitation is to think about the particular impacts to the properties that may or may not be affected. But generally when you're adopting a policy document, it's not a |
| 01:33:00.04 | Unknown | Other than the fear, No one's losing a view. No project is being built. The neighborhood will look exactly like it will tomorrow morning if we vote this in tonight. |
| 01:33:07.63 | Mary Wagner | the mayor. |
| 01:33:11.87 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, the development potential is the same, regardless of the action. But the development potential is exactly the same as before. |
| 01:33:14.03 | Unknown | But the development of this is exactly the same as before. So except for fear, there's no material difference. in what is there now and what will be there if we vote this in. Mm-hm. Period. |
| 01:33:24.30 | Mary Wagner | Mm-hmm. Sure. |
| 01:33:26.19 | Unknown | So, I mean, fear is real. People get fearful and they run away and hide. |
| 01:33:31.00 | Unknown | hide and... |
| 01:33:33.53 | Unknown | No, I'm just trying to get clarification on whether or not this has to be voted on. I mean, if you want, we'll just... Why don't we table that until if there is a vote to remove it? Okay. |
| 01:33:41.03 | Unknown | that until if there is a vote. |
| 01:33:43.88 | Unknown | All right, so you want to speak? |
| 01:33:45.31 | Unknown | Yeah, I would say I understand where folks are coming from. The fact of the matter, zoning in general, is the sort of will of the majority over the individual property owner. It's our bond as a community. How we're sort of saying as a community, we're willing to limit ourselves. Um, None of us have a guarantee of abused. we have protections to preserve some aspect of our views. The only guarantee we have of our views is if we bought all the properties around us. That's the guarantee. As far as our ability to impact the process, which may impact our views, which you know, is not perfectly written. certainly captures the spirit of what we or trying to accomplish as a community, those protections will remain. As far as the increased possibility of development, for um, a particular address within this district or within Saucido in general. because nothing precludes anyone from going out and saying, I volunteer my property to be developed as an affordable housing site and getting all the bonuses and incentives to go along with that. Um, those aren't generally financially feasible. That's why charities tend to be the people who drive this type of development. So the profit motive and the investment banker motive, I don't know where that comes from because No affordable housing project has been built in Sausalito. as a for-profit venture. ever. So that I understand the concerns, but I can tell you from my personal wish. that having written the view protection language with other authors in 2002, But that's what it's there for. But it is not therefore saying Don't take my view. because I want my address eliminated from this, That's not what it's there for. It's not to push the problem on someone else. As I talked with you before, this is going to be a battle with your property from now until the end of time, because you live on a flat piece of land with a view, with a single story in front of you. And that's the nature of buying any property like that. It's a problem for anyone with a view dealing with their neighbors and the property around them. And. I understand your concern that this may exacerbate the potential of that but the feasibility of a four-unit affordable housing project of that. right in that location. it would have to be a not-for-profit venture. And that would be something that would require community development, community support and impact because a not-for-profit isn't going to want to come in and build a project that people aren't ever in support of. And there's potential to design this project in other ways than you've illustrated, whether it's units that aren't completely above ground but have windows above ground. There's lots of ways to go about doing it. But, I can say from my own personal point of view, my goal as your councilperson is to limit the impacts of views but also to provide housing for those less fortunate than ourselves. And we're trying to balance that here. I'm not sure. |
| 01:37:04.02 | Unknown | Well, I don't want to keep on repeating. I hear this EI and all of these things, and it's kind of lip service to me, back and forth, playing a little game with paper. I offered you a solution. If it's right down there, it's already there. You as citizens, you as residents, because there is a traffic initiative in front of it. You have to make the decision. Do you want to keep on getting banged in the head down here in 2014 and 2022? or you want to go down there where there's no views, no effect, and do something. So I'm willing to work with you. And I'm... in this city hall every single day except Sundays. If you want to do something and not just talk about it, then you'll be sitting here in 2014 with the same thing. |
| 01:37:59.59 | Unknown | It was my turn. I have worked on the housing element since I got on the council in 2004. We worked diligently to try to put one together for 2006, and that council threw up its hands because it got bombarded by folks from every, well, basically the north side of town where most of the units were going to go, came over here and sat, there's so many of them, they sat down here in front of the dais. And I vowed this time that we start the element over again, that we would get a balanced element that would fairly treat every neighborhood as much as we could the same way, and that we would listen to what residents had to say. We would be respectful of their views, but at the same time, we would not be able to meet everybody's needs. We simply can't do it because if we went to every property owner who sits next to one of these sites, one of the 87 sites on that appendix, Every one of them would say, don't put it here. And they don't mean, they're not trying to be nimby. They just don't want it there. They want it to be someplace else. So we've done, I think, yeoman's work in getting a balanced project. We've got far more ADUs and liver boards than I ever thought we would get. I mean, even than our consultants thought we would get. They sort of thought, well, we'll stick that plant up there and see what happens, but don't count on it. And we got a good job done. Well, they made the case. They made the case and they had the numbers and the research had been done. So here we are at the 11th hour and we are talking about one property. Earlier I thought about removing that property. I thought, what about it? I got a call from one of you and I listened carefully and I thought, well, maybe we could... But I said to myself, if removing that property would cause us to lose |
| 01:39:51.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:55.04 | Unknown | Our momentum in this element, and I'm out of here, as you know, in December, If that would cause us to lose this housing, I simply couldn't do it. So when I read the response from HCD as a result of Councilmember Pfeiffer's call to Sacramento, wherein the questions that she asked were reiterated to us, and very clear, Melinda Coy said, If we removed any sites, and she specifically called out the Second Street site, because Linda asked her about that. She said, that would require further review by HCD. It gets kicked upstairs, it's another 60 days, and we start this battle all over again. At the end of the day, As I said before, There is no impact. There's zero impact except the fears that you have that somebody will come in and develop this property. And that fear is there today if we walked away from this element. So I'm sorry, but this element is ready to go. It's packaged. It's carefully thought out. It's the lowest possible impact I could imagine Sausalito would have ever gotten considering where we started from with 372 units. Thank you. Okay, one minute rebuttals. |
| 01:41:12.01 | Linda | Mr. Mayor? |
| 01:41:12.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:41:12.80 | Linda | Thank you. So first I want to comment on the conflict of interest. My address is 211 South Street and I may be within 500 feet but this property on 2nd Street doesn't impact my views or have any impact whatsoever. on the value of my property, certainly. So just for the record, I wanted to state that. I also wanted to reiterate that I had a second conversation with Sacramento after Lilly sent that email, and in clarifying with Sacramento the Second Street piece being that it is mostly a moderate income target, that it would be much easier. The implication was that it would The implication was that it would be much easier to remove that from the housing element as in the appendix, you know, and putting a spotlight on that because it was moderate income. We have this huge buffer with regards to moderate income. So just for the record, I wanted to clarify that. It's important to me. |
| 01:42:20.96 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, I will also clarify that this property that we're talking about has no effect whatsoever on my property. But I'd also like to say that I think. We need to go back to the state and try to get this property off. If this property was affecting your view, your view, or your view, we would not have this problem you would be voting you can't speak to how we would |
| 01:42:54.88 | Unknown | I can't speak to how we would vote. Please speak to the issue, okay? |
| 01:42:58.64 | Unknown | All right. If it was affecting my view, I would not be voting for it. If it was affecting your view, would you be voting for it? No. So, I think it's worth the extra 60 days that it may take. And I think for our mayor to put a limit on it that says he will be off the council in 60 days is ridiculous. If we can get this part changed, we should try it. |
| 01:43:26.35 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:43:26.84 | Unknown | Thank you. One minute. |
| 01:43:30.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:43:30.96 | Unknown | So that may be a good indicator of your actions in general, that you would vote against this. I've actually worked with my neighbors to block some of my view. |
| 01:43:31.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:43:31.25 | Unknown | a bit. |
| 01:43:31.72 | Dr Fessel | Thank you. |
| 01:43:40.41 | Unknown | Okay? So that just, I think, is a telling statement on your way out the door here. But, So I think that's where you weigh as a council member, or where all of us weigh as a council member, our responsibility to the community. Versus the potential unlikely impact on a few people. And believe me, I, understand and I wish it wasn't an issue. But this is an issue where it's going to be an issue for everyone. And if you open the door for one, you've opened it for the remaining 88%. So why would this one be eligible to be removed versus everyone else? What's the criteria you're using? that the squeaky wheel gets oiled I don't think that that's the criteria we should use. The criteria we should use is that this is a plan that's going to be least impactful to the community as a whole. we have no insight as if this project was removed or any other project was removed, what the resulting impacts would be. Thank you. |
| 01:44:41.36 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:44:41.55 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:44:41.56 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:44:41.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:44:42.39 | Unknown | you I will just say that I stand by my statement, and I'm not going to engage in a discussion with our vice mayor on this. |
| 01:44:54.52 | Unknown | You tried to characterize how we would act. |
| 01:44:56.38 | Unknown | Okay. Okay, okay. Anybody else take care of that? |
| 01:44:59.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:44:59.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:44:59.11 | Unknown | I'm going to be able to get a little bit of |
| 01:44:59.40 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah, just one quick note. I heard out there that the value would go down 30%. Well, if the value went down 30% and I live at that end of town, All our values go down. So that's not feasible. I told you, and I explained to you, and I can't tell you any more times. You have an option, but you want to just sit back and just think by lip service that all of it's going to go away. And it isn't going to go away. Have the courage. Have the guts. to work on it. So you don't have it at that end of town. What are you? Well, excuse me. |
| 01:45:35.70 | Unknown | Well, excuse me, Mr. Mayor, I can't let that go. I'm sorry. You know, the option that Council Member Weiner is referring to is to revoke the traffic initiative. And the traffic initiative is what allows this town to stay where we are right now with traffic, which is not great, as we all know. But if you start lifting, if you start revoking the traffic initiative and go that route, there is yet another problem to address. So my caution. is all I want to say in regard to that. |
| 01:46:18.04 | Unknown | Thank you. No, no, no, no. And let me say the caution, okay? We have less automobiles now coming into Sausalito than we've had for the last 25 years. Why? Because we have a million people coming in without an automobile. They're coming in 250,000 by bus and shuttle. 550,000 by ferry. and 320,000 by bike. We have less problems and less traffic now than we did when they thought that we would be inundated with automobiles 27 years ago. They're outdated and they're not open-minded. They're closed-minded. And that's the problem. |
| 01:47:00.65 | Unknown | Yeah, I would just add to... Jonathan's trying to talk. It's not a point of order if there isn't a motion on the floor. I think the secret or the answer for all of us as a community is to be proactive. in this particular circumstance. and, find sites and work to accommodate sites and put money where our mouths are to make sites happen that are the least impactful for everyone. rather than sit back and wait for our destiny to be decided by us, it's to work on, for us, sorry, it's to be proactive as a community and welcome some of these projects in places where they're the least impactful and the easiest to accomplish. And there are a number of sites that are actually in this report that would allow us to meet these criteria. easily. But it would part. Like everything else, money. So whether that's we raise money ourselves so we can control our own destiny in terms of development of affordable housing sites, That's the kind of thing where if you want it a certain way, you've got to put your money where your mouth is, and being proactive is the way to do that. And I promise that I would work with you on that if you want to try and do that in the future. |
| 01:48:16.43 | Unknown | Did you want to say something else? Girl. |
| 01:48:18.83 | Unknown | No. |
| 01:48:19.44 | Unknown | Okay. All right, anybody else want to say anything? All right, let's move to I'll make a motion that we approve a resolution to amend the general plan housing element to incorporate the 2009-2014 housing element update. I'll second. |
| 01:48:36.80 | Debbie | Mm. |
| 01:48:37.49 | Unknown | Debbie, would you call the roll? |
| 01:48:41.29 | Debbie | Council Member Fyfer. |
| 01:48:42.71 | Linda | No. |
| 01:48:43.84 | Debbie | That's the number four. |
| 01:48:44.97 | Linda | Oh. |
| 01:48:45.76 | Debbie | Council member Weiner. |
| 01:48:46.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:46.86 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:48:47.13 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:48:47.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:48.80 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Leone. Yes. |
| 01:48:50.62 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:48:53.14 | Unknown | Yes, sir. All right, we'll move on to item Five. I'm sorry. It's 5.1, now 5.3, which is introduction, first reading by title only in the ordinance of the City of Council of Sausalito establishing regulations for new accessory dwelling units. |
| 01:49:16.91 | Unknown | Wait one minute. You're up. Let's wait a second. |
| 01:49:17.10 | Unknown | Wait one minute. |
| 01:49:21.10 | Unknown | Can I, I had to make a special accommodation to be here this evening for this long. But can I ask that since we have four meetings before... |
| 01:49:21.65 | Unknown | I, uh... |
| 01:49:32.96 | Unknown | the end of this term, December, that rather than having this as the first reading that maybe you can take comment, there are actually people here for it, but maybe we could have the first reading be at the following meeting and then we could have... But that's up to you folks. I'll just put that out there, but I unfortunately |
| 01:49:50.26 | Unknown | Is that okay? Is that okay with staff? Is that okay with their council? Anybody object on council? |
| 01:49:54.39 | Linda | I think that's fine. |
| 01:49:55.32 | Unknown | Okay? Thank you. |
| 01:49:56.00 | Unknown | Yeah, you can do as you see fit. I mean, I'll just put that out there as a request. We'll do it. |
| 01:49:56.03 | Unknown | Yeah. We'll hear it but we won't have the first read. |
| 01:50:03.94 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:50:04.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:04.92 | Unknown | I apologize. |
| 01:50:05.11 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:50:05.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:06.48 | Unknown | actually wasn't planning on being here, but because I have a product launch in the city, so I have to actually get to that or else my business people will you |
| 01:50:14.37 | Linda | Congratulations. |
| 01:50:14.46 | Unknown | Congratulations. |
| 01:50:14.95 | Unknown | Yes. . |
| 01:50:16.38 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:50:16.52 | Unknown | Yeah. Mr. Mayor. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not feeling well this evening, so I would like to depart at this point. Please excuse me. |
| 01:50:28.24 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 01:50:31.94 | Linda | And for those who just walked in, could we state what we're going to be talking about because we did change the agenda around? |
| 01:50:37.93 | Unknown | around. Thank you. It's item B, I'm sorry, C, which is now I'm sorry, it's item A, which turned into item C. Item A, which is Introduction and First Reading by Title, Only an Ordinance of the City Council of City of South Salido, Establishing Regulations for New Accessory Dwelling Units. Okay. Billy. |
| 01:50:58.40 | Unknown | Would you still like a straffler point? |
| 01:50:59.77 | Unknown | Yeah, go ahead. Just, you know, don't dwell on it, but just... Hit the hot points because you'll have to do it again next week or two weeks more. |
| 01:51:04.15 | Unknown | Get the hard point. |
| 01:51:08.69 | Unknown | I do have a PowerPoint for you tonight. There it is. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, council members. So tonight we are going to talk about an ordinance for regulations for accessory dwelling units in the city of Sausalito. |
| 01:51:34.34 | Unknown | So first, what is an accessory dwelling unit or an ADU? An ADU is an attached or detached unit with independent living facilities for one or more persons. And it also contains permanent provisions for sleeping, living, eating, cooking, and sanitation on the same parcel as the main residence. Another key component is an ADU is ancillary to the main residence on the parcel. A little bit of the background on ADU legislation. The California Second Unit legislation was enacted in 1982 and amended several times thereafter to encourage the creation of accessory dwelling units and to allow cities to establish their own regulations regarding accessory dwelling units. The law requires cities to adopt an ADU ordinance and set certain parameters on how strict the ordinance may be. One key part of the ADU law is that the ordinance needs to be ministerial, which means that the permit needs to be approved at the staff level. So without any judgment at all. So there needs to be some sort of checklist of standards that the planner at the counter can see if the application being requested meets or does not meet. Cities are allowed to have an optional discretionary component of the ADU ordinance, and this could be for ADU permits that did not fit within the parameters of the staff level review and needs to be reviewed by the Planning Commission. Some of the things that the city is able to regulate, the city is able to control the location of the ADU. So for example, the city can say that they can be in single family districts but not multi-family districts, for example. The city is also allowed to set standards that the ADU needs to comply with. So we can regulate the amount of parking that is to be provided for the ADU. the height of the unit, the minimum setback, the maximum lot coverage, how the unit is designed and how big it can be. |
| 01:53:53.31 | Unknown | As a part of the recent housing element update, the community has come to recognize ADUs as a low-impact approach to fulfilling the low-income housing needs. And therefore, the draft adopted housing element establishes programs to both allow new ADUs and legalize existing ADUs. So in order to create that draft regulation, an ADU working group was formed of three Housing Element Task Force members, and we held 11 public meetings since March of this year through August. The working group looked at different components of a variety of ADE legislation, regulations throughout Marin County, in addition to regulations from Piedmont, Lafayette, Orinda, Portola Valley, and Santa Cruz. And we did announce those 11 public meetings through the email distribution list, as well as through the currents. After the draft regulations were created, the ADU Working Group forwarded their recommendation onto the Planning Commission. Thank you. |
| 01:55:05.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:55:06.73 | Unknown | And the Planning Commission reviewed the draft regulations on September 5th and then also on September 19th. At the September 19th meeting, the Commission's discussion was focused on five policy areas related to floor area waivers, owner occupancy restrictions, privacy, and parking exceptions. At the conclusion of the meeting on September 19, the Commission recommended that the draft ADU ordinance be forwarded on to the Council for your review. So the draft ADU ordinance in your packet tonight has five different components. First, it deletes the existing zoning ordinance chapter 1021, which currently prohibits ADUs in the city. Next, it adds a new section describing the regulations for new ADUs and granting amnesty to existing unpermitted ADUs. And that'll be the majority of what we'll talk about tonight. It also modifies Table 1022-2, which describes the allowed uses in residential districts to add reference to accessory dwelling units. It also removes the definition of secondary dwelling and adds definitions related to accessory dwelling unit provisions. There's three different types of ADUs defined in the draft regulations. The first is a detached ADU, which is a new or existing ADU, which is detached from the main residence on the lot. The other type is an attached ADU, which occupies a part of the existing residence or is attached directly to the existing residence. The third type is an interior conversion ADU where a portion of an existing house has been converted to incorporate an accessory dwelling unit. The only type of construction involved would be the addition of interior walls or the addition of exterior windows and doors. |
| 01:57:14.58 | Unknown | So recognizing that some ADUs have been established over the years without permits, the proposed regulations establish procedures and standards for review and approval of existing unpermitted ADUs as well as new ADUs. So new ADUs would be reviewed at the staff level, and there would be some exceptions that could be granted by the Planning Commission with a conditional use permit. Existing unpermitted ADUs could be granted amnesty through an ADU permit, and that would be reviewed at the staff level with no exceptions. |
| 01:57:50.96 | Unknown | So first I'll go into the standards, the proposed standards for new ADUs. only one unit would be allowed per parcel, regardless of the number of main units. So for example, in the case of a duplex, there would be only one ADU allowed on that parcel. With regard to location, the units would only be allowed in single family, two family, and multi-family zoning districts. So all of our residential zoning districts. They would not be allowed in commercial zoning districts. The unit must also have its own entrance and a separate kitchen and bathroom facility. And the kitchen is clearly defined in the ordinance as containing a refrigerator, a sink, and a range or cooktop. |
| 01:58:43.24 | Unknown | With regard to building permits, the ADU would be required to comply with the California Building Code and secure a building permit for its construction or creation. For floor area, the ADU would be required to comply with the floor area ratio requirements in the zoning ordinance for that particular parcel. This was a significant topic of discussion at the ADU working group level and the Planning Commission level as well. The ADU working group wanted to incentivize the creation of the ADUs by allowing a 500 square foot waiver of floor area. Planning Commission reviewed this and decided that a waiver may lead to enforcement issues and might not be necessary. Planning Commission agreed upon a middle ground to some extent where the Planning Commission could review an exception for the floor area standards. That exception would be up to 10% of the parcel area and would be capped at 500 square feet. And that allows for some flexibility for those parcels that are built out, but still would like to provide an ADU. |
| 01:59:44.78 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:59:48.27 | Unknown | In addition to get that exception, there would have to be a deed restriction recorded against the property that would require that that unit is maintained to be rented at an affordable rate. The property owner would be able to |
| 02:00:05.44 | Unknown | You know, I misspoke. I'm sorry. The deed restriction in this case for the exception would be recorded so that if any of the components of the ADU are removed, so for example, the kitchen, the separate entrance, the bathroom facility, if it's essentially not an ADU anymore, the floor area waiver that was granted would have to be recredited back to the parcel. So they would have to take credit for that floor area. If that caused them to go above the floor area restrictions on that parcel, they would have to secure appropriate approvals for that. |
| 02:00:05.69 | Sarah Mars | I misspoke. |
| 02:00:40.05 | Unknown | So this table on the screen shows some typical parcel sizes and what that 10% credit would mean for those parcel sizes. And again, it would be capped out at 500 square feet. |
| 02:00:56.08 | Unknown | For building coverage, the unit would be required to comply with the building coverage and impervious surface regulations. It's similar to the floor area waiver. There could be an exception granted by the Planning Commission where up to 5% of the allowable building coverage and floor area |
| 02:01:00.62 | Sarah Mars | REGULATIONS. |
| 02:01:01.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:01:01.28 | Sarah Mars | you |
| 02:01:12.99 | Unknown | would be, it could be granted by the Planning Commission. Again, here's a table on the screen that shows you some example sizes in various zoning districts in the city and what that would mean for those particular parcels. So you can see that the typical maximum exception would be under 150 square feet. And that might provide enough room, if someone is maxed out on the property, to bump out a wall and build an ADU. But again, that would have to be approved by the Planning Commission. |
| 02:01:47.41 | Unknown | Regarding height, there's two different regulations. For attached units, the unit would have to comply with the existing height standards related to the main building. For detached units, the height would be capped at at 15 feet, and that would be measured from average natural grade. For detached units, the Planning Commission would have the ability to approve an exception with a conditional use permit for the height. For setbacks, the unit would have to comply with the setback regulations. Again, there would be an exception that could be considered by the Planning Commission with a conditional use permit as long as three feet is maintained on the side yards. |
| 02:02:33.85 | Unknown | With regard to parking, parking will be required for the unit depending on the size of the unit. So for units that are 700 square feet or less, one off-street parking space is required. For 700 square feet or more, two parking spaces are required. Tandem parking and then also parking in the setbacks would be allowed ministerially under some conditions. The property owner could apply for an exception with the Planning Commission with a conditional use permit. There are several conditions for that exception though. One, they would have to show that parking is not feasible on the project site. Two, they have to submit a parking study that shows during daytime and nighttime hours that there's at least one or two parking spaces depending on the exception that they're trying to get from the Planning Commission, that there's that amount of parking on the street. |
| 02:03:30.86 | Sarah Mars | on. |
| 02:03:31.02 | Unknown | most. |
| 02:03:32.56 | Unknown | for that unit. And the last condition is that the main unit has to have already met its required parking requirements. |
| 02:03:46.92 | Unknown | Regarding how big the units can be and how many bedrooms can be in them, there's two different regulations. One for the interior conversions, where there's a 300-square-foot minimum and a maximum of 40% of the primary unit, and it would be capped at 1,000 square feet. For detached and attached units, still there's a 300-square-foot minimum, and then no greater than 30% of the primary unit and a cap at 700 square feet. Again, the property owner could apply for an exception to this regulation, and that exception would be for attached and detached units. They could ask for two bedrooms, where one bedroom would only be typically required, or they could ask for an exception up to 40% of the primary unit for a maximum of 1,000 square feet. This is where that affordability covenant comes in. If the Planning Commission grants that exception, a deed restriction would be required by the property owner so that that unit is maintained at an affordable rate. the property owner would get to pick the level of affordability And the fewer number of years, the more affordable the unit would have to be. So it's a sliding scale approach, and the property owner would have the ability to choose which option they would like. |
| 02:05:10.00 | Unknown | Couple other standards. First, design. The new EDU would need to be designed to be compatible with the main residence. So that's in terms of the roof slope, architectural features, siding, window arrangement, all those sorts of things. For detached units, the property owner could request an exception from the Planning Commission with the CUP. For views, the standard would be that the unit is designed to not impair views from other properties. And so to determine this, story pools would have to be installed. Staff would send out a notice to neighboring properties letting them know about the ADU. and we would conduct our typical view review if we get concerns we got to the site take a look at what the view concern is from use the zoning ordinance to determine if there's a view impacts if there is a view impact the project would have to go to the Planning Commission for a conditional use permit for that view impact |
| 02:06:04.69 | Unknown | you |
| 02:06:06.02 | Unknown | With regard to privacy, the ADU would need to be designed so that the windows, decks, and doors are not overlapping the exterior living areas or interior living areas of adjoining properties, or the property owner needs to show that there's adequate screening between the properties to protect privacy. And this standard would not apply to an interior conversion where no exterior modifications are being made to the building. regard to light the unit must not have adverse light effects on adjacent properties if it's anticipated that there are going to be adverse light effects the story polls would go up and they would go up regardless because of the view issue and staff would perhaps require a store a shadow study if if we think that there could be light impacts. If the shadow study shows that the ADU impacts more than 25% of the light on an adjacent parcel more than 30 days per year, then the Planning Commission would have to review that light impact. There would be an owner occupancy requirement for single family neighborhoods. So in single family neighborhoods, the owner of the property would need to either live in the main unit or the accessory dwelling unit. There would be an exception to allow absences for up to one year during any three-year period, and there would be a further exception where the property owner could apply with the zoning administrator with a minor use permit for other circumstances to extend that absence. |
| 02:07:44.81 | Unknown | Moving on to the accessory dwelling unit, or the amnesty accessory dwelling unit regulations. So similar to the new ADUs, the amnesty ADU permit would apply to only one ADU per parcel in single family, two family, and multi-family zoning districts. And the unit would need to have a separate entrance, a kitchen, and a bathroom facility. The property owner also needs to document when the ADU was constructed. the Any ADUs established before January 1, 2012 would be under consideration for the ADU permit. The cutoff date was selected in order to avoid proper donors who have found out about this process that's going on and have created an ADU in anticipation of the ADU. getting an easier route to obtain a permit through an amnesty permit. So the cutoff period would be January 1, 2012. And there's a variety of ways that the property owner can show documentation of when that was created. There would be a safety inspection required from the building division and the fire division to ensure that there are no health and safety issues. If there are some, the property owner would have to apply for a building permit to correct those issues. Similar to the new ADUs, there's an owner occupancy requirement where the property owner needs to reside in the ADU or the main unit in single-family districts. And again, there are the exceptions to that rule. For parking, no on-site parking is required for the ADU. And this was something that was talked about at length with the ADU Working Group, in addition to the Planning Commission. And they both felt that requiring parking for the amnesty unit would greatly disincentivize property owners from coming forward to legalize the units. So that balance, the no requirement for parking outweighed the risk of no one coming in to legalize their unit. |
| 02:09:52.94 | Unknown | you |
| 02:09:54.91 | Unknown | There would be no minimum size or maximum size of the unit as the unit already exists. Regarding floor area, during their discussion of floor area waivers, the Planning Commission did not specifically address a waiver for amnesty ADUs. Staff is recommending a 500-square-foot waiver. for amnesty ADUs without the need for a conditional use permit. Any additional floor area beyond the 500 square feet, if the property is already maxed out, would have to receive a variance. For building coverage and impervious surfaces, the existing coverage and impervious surfaces would be documented by the department, but not counted as eligibility. Any future development of the property would have to account for the building coverage and impervious surfaces. And similarly, with setbacks, they'll be documented but not counted in terms of eligibility. |
| 02:10:54.80 | Unknown | If at some point the ADU, the amnesty ADU, is converted as a part of the main house, or the kitchen is removed and it's created into an office or studio space, the property owner would need to demonstrate compliance of the property with the zoning ordinance and recredit any floor area waiver given to the property back to the property. And lastly, the amnesty period will only be valid for a limited point in time. The time limit will be established to encourage property owners to apply for amnesty prior to the end of the current housing element cycle, which is March 31st of 2014. The council could extend that period if you wish, and we've included that, the council would be able to do that by resolution. After the amnesty period ends, all unpermitted ADUs would be subject to code enforcement action. |
| 02:11:55.39 | Unknown | the steps so the amendments to the zoning ordinance require planning commission hearings which have been done and we will hear the ordinance again at the first reading so this timetable will be off by probably two weeks yeah so we would be looking at the regulations being effective mid-december if adopted by the council. So I think we're recommending now for you to take public comment and to continue this item at the first reading to October 23rd. |
| 02:12:27.63 | Unknown | it. Any council questions? |
| 02:12:33.25 | Unknown | None. Not from this side. |
| 02:12:36.73 | Linda | I have a quick question, Mr. Mayor. So I know that with the existing ADUs, they're proposing that we just accept the parking as is. And I was just wondering, do you foresee any challenges in that given some of these illegal existing ADUs are located on streets where There's lots of parking available and some are located where the congestion is really, really difficult. |
| 02:13:04.03 | Unknown | Yeah, that's something that the Working Group and the Planning Commission evaluated to great length. And I think they recognize that, that there are severe parking concerns in certain neighborhoods, and they felt like the |
| 02:13:15.76 | Carrie Headington | you |
| 02:13:16.01 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 02:13:16.03 | Unknown | I'm impressed. |
| 02:13:20.48 | Unknown | the benefit of encouraging people to come in to legalize these units outweighed the parking concerns in some of those neighborhoods. |
| 02:13:30.68 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:13:32.38 | Unknown | I think I'll save mine until next time. |
| 02:13:35.42 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:13:35.44 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:13:35.62 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:13:35.72 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. Good report. Public comment. Michael. |
| 02:13:35.94 | Linda | Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:13:36.67 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:13:36.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:13:37.02 | Jonathon Goldman | I do. Thank you. |
| 02:13:37.48 | Marlon Forsley | Good luck. |
| 02:13:37.95 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:13:44.90 | Michael Rex | I'm Michael Rex and I'm here to speak, local architect, and I'm here to speak in support of this draft ordinance. Nearly 20 years ago, I served along with Doris Berdahl and others on an affordable housing committee. And this committee was successful in proposing and getting inserted into our general plan. a plan that was adopted in 1995 a policy to create an amnesty program to legalize existing second units and to consider allowing new second units. So now, 17 years later, 11 meetings with the work group, two planning commission meetings, you now have such an ordinance in front of you. |
| 02:14:33.30 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:14:33.55 | Michael Rex | Hooray. It's about time. You know, I, along with other members of the public, I attended nearly every one of those 11 work group meetings and participate in the dialogue. And I think we should have up here the folks on that committee so they're recognized because what a big job they did and what a great job. You had Joan Cox, Ray Withy, Kim Stodder. You had on staff Jeremy Graves and Lily. And let me tell you, Lily did the lion's share of the work. They debated every one of these details and considered the public's input. Um, I have to tell you that it's my professional opinion that this draft ordinance before you is the clearest, most precise, and best ADU ordinance I've read, and I've been doing this for 30 years. Thank you. |
| 02:15:34.64 | Unknown | well. |
| 02:15:35.47 | Michael Rex | It's truly a testament to the skill of our staff and the hard work of this root group. I ask that you recognize that, and you recognize it with supporting it, In conclusion, This ordinance strikes a very wise and careful balance between the need of to provide a broad range of housing values in our town. with the need to protect his charm and its small-town character. That's not easy, as you know. This ordinance does it. In fact, I think this draft is so good, I'm pleased to say I can stand here before you tonight and not suggest a single revision. How about that? |
| 02:16:20.37 | Unknown | That's a first. Thank you. |
| 02:16:21.94 | Michael Rex | Yeah. On the parking, I think that was one of the biggest issues. What, you're going to allow some units with no parking? |
| 02:16:26.78 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 02:16:26.97 | Unknown | You're going to run it. |
| 02:16:27.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:16:27.61 | Unknown | Thank you. No. |
| 02:16:30.01 | Michael Rex | How could that be in Sausalito? The real rationale, besides the one Lily mentioned, that it would discourage people coming forward, What she didn't mention is another point. that I'll point out. I'm at the end here, that those units already exist. Those impacts are already known. And if you don't legalize it, those impacts won't go away. So what do we gain? Let's get them legal. Let's be able to count them in our housing element. So it was those two considerations, and I would like you to leave that alone. I think that was the right call. So, here we are, 17 years later, it's long overdue. When this comes before you for its first reading, please adopt it. |
| 02:17:15.45 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. All right, would anybody else care to speak on this issue? All right, bring it back up here. You want to say something? No. You want to see something? Thank you. All right, well, I'll say the same thing. |
| 02:17:31.77 | Unknown | to the next step. |
| 02:17:31.94 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 02:17:33.48 | Unknown | Great. I read through it and I agree with Mike. I got a couple of questions I'll ask you about them later, but in general, it's really concise, it's clear, it takes into account things like the parking with existing units and so on, so there's no question about it. The height limits, I mean, the way you spelled it out, it's just really well done, extraordinarily well done. So congratulations. All right. Well, same. Continue it? Oh, yeah. We need to continue this till next 23rd, right? October 23rd. I'll make a motion. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. OK. That carries. And we'll see you on the 23rd. All right, next up is the. |
| 02:18:16.37 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:18:24.81 | Unknown | Flood Plane Management Ordinance Revision. And that does not look like Todd. Yeah. Sorry to put you on the spot earlier to say about the sewers, but I thought it was important |
| 02:18:36.23 | Jonathon Goldman | It's quite all right. Hopefully I was able to answer the questions. Actually, I do have a PowerPoint. For those of you at home, I'm Jonathan Goldman, Public Works Director. Let me pick this mess up. |
| 02:18:42.16 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:18:42.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:18:48.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:18:58.76 | Unknown | Thank you, Lily. |
| 02:19:03.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:07.25 | Unknown | I'm not going to get rid of it. |
| 02:19:07.70 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 02:19:09.55 | Jonathon Goldman | Oh, thanks. |
| 02:19:14.08 | Unknown | of. I should also thank Ray, and he's the only one that's here, for your participation on the ADU thing, too. Thank you. |
| 02:19:41.45 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. All right. Rather link the staff report, which I don't intend to read. One of the advantages to this item is that it's really just a discussion and direction item. |
| 02:19:52.98 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 02:20:02.51 | Jonathon Goldman | And the short version of, just to kind of set the stage, the National Float Insurance Program was created by National Float Insurance Act of 1968 for a variety of reasons. Descendants of that original act are still in force and as a community that is a member of the National Float Insurance Program, there are certain requirements that apply to us. Federal Emergency Management Agency and the California Department of Water Resources are responsible for helping the member communities stay in compliance with National Float Insurance Program. And one of the things that they do is periodically water called community assistance visits. We had the benefit of a community assistance visit on the 16th of May and as members of the council are aware we received a letter from the Department of Water Resources on the 22nd or dated the 22nd of August that notified us, first of all, it complemented our city engineer Todd Tichab and our and our program, but also notified us of the need to make some changes just to update the language and make sure that we remain compliant with National Flood Insurance Program. One of the conditions in that letter is that the Department of Water Resources requires that we send them a draft of an ordinance revision on or before the 21st of November 2012. Plenty of time. But because we need to do something, and because in my relatively short tenure in public service, I've learned that it's generally a bad idea to send drafts of ordinances to anybody without the council in the community having an idea of what they look like first. We wanted to bring this matter to your attention and the community's attention just to initiate some discussion on the matter before responding to this date. |
| 02:21:43.21 | Unknown | it. |
| 02:22:11.81 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. In doing that, we prepared what I've kind of described as a minimum necessary update draft. That minimum addresses comments that were specifically required in the letter documented in the community assistance visit, along with some other changes that are either definitions or other minor editorial changes, just kind of dotting some i's and crossing some T's from the last ordinance that the council adopted, which is our current floodplain management ordinance. We also prepared a more protective update draft, and that draft contemplates additional revisions to provide a higher degree of protection against potential flood losses in the community when compared with the minimum. Some of the changes proposed in the more protective draft are recommended in the State Department of Water Resources California Model Floodplain Management Ordinance. That model ordinance was last updated in December 2006, and I provided a complete copy of that in your packet as attachment three. And some of the other changes are changes that in the City of Engineers judgment and in my judgment are things that are worth considering. And they're worth considering. And they're worth considering for a number of reasons. The first is that if we consider and then adopt more protective language in our coordinates, What results is better protection of new or substantially improved structures in the regulatory floodplain, and we're suggesting areas of moderate flooding hazard against sea level rise, and also a reduction in flood insurance premiums for those structures improved in compliance with the more protective standards. Um, Thank you. just kind of identifying issues or further discussion on these matters, knowing that we had to make changes. If we fail to adopt even the minimum changes, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and their kind of agents in this Department of Water Resources have the authority to either put the community on probation or even kick us out of the National Flood Insurance Program. So failing to stay in compliance establishes the potential that new or substantially improved structures built in the future could be subject to flood damage. The cost of flood insurance for structures built to those standards that are less than the minimum will become prohibitively expensive and that the city and its property owners might be subject to sanctions from FEMA that could eliminate the availability of federally backed flood insurance, eliminate the availability of federal disaster assistance for flood related damage. and eliminate the availability of federal mortgage or loan guarantees for properties in flood hazard areas. All of these are really good reasons to stay in the program, in my opinion. Consideration and ultimately adoption of more protective regulations creates the potential for reduced premiums for all flood insurance policyholders within the entire community, I've already said that, as well as improves the prospects that will have less flood damage. More protective regulations will, however, likely increase the cost of compliance for parties funding new construction or substantial improvements. And that's expressed in, for example, additional costs associated with raising the finished floor elevations of residential structures more than we currently require them to and related things. So kind of just broadly framing the arena even more, with the projection of sea level rise over the next 50 to 100 years or more as a result of global climate change, The fact that parties funding new construction or substantial improvements in the areas of the city subject to 100-year or even more moderate flood hazards can expect to benefit from those improvements for 30 to 50 years or more. And the fact that FEMA's identification of flood hazard areas does not currently take potential future changes in sea level into account in identifying flood hazards, we're recommending that the more protective regulations receive due counsel and community consideration of a couple of graphics here that might possibly be useful on the screen but certainly aren't in the handouts and I'm happy to provide either these or better graphics at any point going forward. But one of the objectives of this graphic, this is generally speaking the Marinship, Zone AE is a zone that's the regulatory floodplain under our current flood insurance rate map, meaning there's a 1% chance of flooding in any given year. Zone X is that zone between zone AE and the 500-year floodplain. Zone X, actually, with the same frequency as zone AE, can receive up to a footer flooding, but Zone AE is a footer more. So Zone X, in many respects, has the potential for moderate flood hazard, and Zone AE is the area that is more stringently regulated. I've identified a couple of areas that you might be surprised to see have the potential to have |
| 02:27:00.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:10.60 | Unknown | Uh, |
| 02:27:25.99 | Sarah Mars | with. |
| 02:28:09.29 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 02:28:09.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:09.46 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 02:28:14.59 | Jonathon Goldman | less than a foot of water with 100 year return period. That's also true in the vicinity of Marin Ship Park and Bay Mono. |
| 02:28:22.45 | Sarah Mars | Yeah. of. |
| 02:28:26.64 | Jonathon Goldman | Another graphic here coming further south, Zone X along the Bridgeway waterfront in the Caledonia area, and then AE out at Spinnaker Point, as well as Zone X upland and into Gabrielson Park, etc. I didn't include the one-under-year float plane or graphic showing the one-under-year floatplain here on a bridgeway. We've talked about that before. Another graphic that I wanted to highlight as part of this presentation is one that the council and members of the community have seen in the past, but it represents areas where between 1968 and 2000 the ground surface dropped. In some cases, these red areas, the dark red areas, are more than four feet. So the combination of the ground surface and |
| 02:28:41.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:41.91 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 02:28:55.43 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. a |
| 02:29:21.85 | Jonathon Goldman | Sea level rise as well as land surface subsidence increases the probability or the potential for flooding. Um, I'm certainly open to questions at this point and have a process to go through. Again, this is really just a discussion and direction item. It's one that does not even require action this evening because November 21st deadline, the council has other meetings that we could come back with details or revisions to what's proposed. But like I said, I wanted to get the information out there and see what you have to say. |
| 02:30:01.16 | Unknown | OK, questions? Have you surveyed some of the owners, landowners, holders, as to what cost implications might be between the minimum plan and the better protection plan? And compare that to what their coverage costs them? |
| 02:30:22.22 | Sarah Mars | Yeah. |
| 02:30:26.94 | Unknown | You know, if they have to put in a million dollars worth of improvements to get a $10,000 reduction in their policy, that's not going to work so hot. |
| 02:30:34.08 | Jonathon Goldman | The short answer is no. There is information available about how the flood insurance rates work per whatever, $1,000 or valuation, and I can provide those tables at some point in the future. Well, I guess. |
| 02:30:56.79 | Unknown | Well, yeah, I was hoping you'd at least weigh in with, you know, a couple, three of the larger owners down there and see, you know, how they feel about it because to some extent, you know, it'll impact them depending on what we do. Yeah. |
| 02:31:06.14 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:31:09.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:09.85 | Jonathon Goldman | Happy to. |
| 02:31:10.63 | Unknown | Okay. Did I read somewhere about $22 million with the coverage down there? Thank you. |
| 02:31:14.90 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:31:14.93 | Unknown | Thank you. I made that number up. |
| 02:31:17.18 | Jonathon Goldman | That's probably in the community assistance visit letter. |
| 02:31:20.01 | Unknown | Okay. All right. That seems low. So does that mean everybody down there is not taking advantage of floodplain insurance? Usually lenders make you get it when you're sitting there. |
| 02:31:29.08 | Jonathon Goldman | The- Any federally backed loan, the lender will require that you get it. If you don't have a federally backed loan or own the property outright, it's optional. |
| 02:31:32.40 | Unknown | Thank you. Yes. |
| 02:31:37.04 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:31:37.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:43.33 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:31:44.80 | Jonathon Goldman | uh, It's basically federally subsidized insurance. In fact, it's available to everyone in the community, whether you're in the floodplain or not. So there are certainly advantages to considering getting that kind of money. |
| 02:31:52.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:52.61 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:31:52.97 | Unknown | of the |
| 02:31:59.23 | Unknown | Yeah. Getting that. I've seen banks require it because it is so cheap. Yeah. |
| 02:32:02.30 | Jonathon Goldman | cheap. Yeah. |
| 02:32:04.78 | Unknown | Okay, any other questions? Thank you, Jonathan. Any member of the public want to address this complex liquid issue? |
| 02:32:08.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:16.78 | Unknown | All right, seeing none. Anybody got anything else to say? No, we'll wait. I mean, what do you want us to do? Yeah. Tell you to go ahead with one or the other. Thank you. |
| 02:32:26.70 | Jonathon Goldman | I think under the circumstances, given that you've asked a very reasonable question about outreach, I would recommend that this be continued either to a date certain if the city clerk wants to do that or to a date uncertain with my responsibility being to make sure it happens on or before the 21st of November. |
| 02:32:48.79 | Unknown | It's going to be October 23rd. Because the next one, when is the next meeting |
| 02:32:53.97 | Unknown | 19. |
| 02:32:57.57 | Unknown | 9th of November? Is there just one meeting in November? No. Or two? It's trying for it. Oh, I'll get it. |
| 02:33:00.15 | Unknown | Thank you. to. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:33:02.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:33:02.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Right? |
| 02:33:06.56 | Unknown | Thank you, John. Okay, great. |
| 02:33:07.22 | Unknown | Okay, great. All right, that brings us to City Manager Report, the highlight of every evening. Thank you. |
| 02:33:20.42 | Adam Politzer | I believe that's true. Just a handful of items for you. One, this past Friday, we held a strategic planning session at Fire Station 1, and we had an excellent day of going through a variety of material, looking back six, actually looking back a year, because we hadn't had a strategic planning retreat in a year's time and then looking at where we are and looking where we're going and then a very healthy discussion and exercise to look at shared services going into the future. Michelle Murphy, who is our facilitator, is working with Debbie Pagliaro here to bring the executive report forward. We'll have that out to the council and on the website in the very near future. and then placed on the council agenda Usually we put that on consent, but if any council members or the public like to pull it to discuss it, then we'd be prepared to discuss it. But I think it was a very good day and a lot of good things came from it, which I hope that we're able to move forward in the next six-month time period. One of the comments that came up throughout the day from various staff members is some excitement over something that I haven't shared with the council yet and I just recently shared. at the management team's weekly meeting that we are working, the city of Sausalito is working on putting together a management academy. And the Management Academy is something that I attended in 1994 in the city of Palo Alto, which takes your younger employees that may work on the line, may work as mid-managers, may work as entry-level positions, but we see potential in them. that with hard work and experience that they can make it up the ranks and eventually in the exact same seat that I'm sitting in today. And I was a recreation supervisor when I was given the opportunity to go to the management academy in Palo Alto. So it was something that I thought in southern Marin was worth us exploring and working with the city of Mill Valley and the city of Tiburon. to create a management academy and allow a member of each one of the departments to attend. And so I've put together an outstanding committee, and several of the members of the committee are in the room. Chief Dejada, Debbie Pegliero, Mary Wagner, and Charlie Francis and I make up this committee and we're putting this program together. a lot of energy and effort and I think that it's starting to trickle down into the ranks that this opportunity is going to present itself It's an eight-month program. It's one day a month, so it's basically 64 hours of training. It's an eight-hour day. So we don't think it will have much impact on the departments because they're only losing their employee for one day a month. I think it will have a huge benefit on the employees themselves. It promotes a variety of great things, some that aren't always that obvious, but one of it is just the networking between the departments. And then the other benefit that we obviously see is the networking between the three communities. And so it establishes relationships that for me and for my experience are still intact today. The folks that went through the academy with me in Palo Alto are people that I'm still, in contact with. So I think it's a new start. We are proposing to start this in January. We'll be making this announcement to all the employees here shortly. and there'll be an application and selection process. The good news is that this is the first year and we don't have a lot of employees so over a 10 year period of time we'll probably be able to have almost all the departments make it through some of the larger ones like police and public works it will take a little bit longer and we might have to duplicate in those because of department like community development or park and rec It might only take us five years to get through their entire department But I think it's exciting and something that I wanted to make sure that the council knew that we were working on. And the other. real benefit of it, it's a very low cost program to put on because you ask your department heads from three cities to lead the sessions. You ask your consultants that obviously benefit from working with us to come and do an in-kind training for our employees so to give up an hour or two of their time to come speak on a specific subject like workers' comp or various other subjects, performance evaluations, recruiting, hiring, Thank you. team building, writing staff reports, giving presentations, In those cases, we think we have some excellent facilitators both with Charlie with his PowerPoint presentations that I think we all enjoy and appreciate. and then some of our staff writing abilities like we've seen tonight with Jonathan Goldman and even Lily with the reports that are in Jeremy have put together. So I think that we have a great future with this program and I think that it will also create a lot of excitement with the staff and empower them that as opportunities present themselves here within the organization, they'll be better prepared to compete for those jobs. Two other very brief items is MCCMC is this month and it's going to be hosted here by the City of Sausalito and Spinnaker, and so I hope that everyone can attend. The Chamber of Commerce is also having its celebrated Sausalito event on the 26th of this month, and so I'd like to make sure that everyone has the opportunity to respond back to Debbie's email seeing who is or not available to join us. Obviously, I think it's important there are certain events that I ask that the council and the management team place its high priority as the spirit of Marin as one in the chamber of commerce. Salbert Sausalito is yet another. The last is again, just as I mentioned last time, with Halloween around the corner, we'll be holding the booths out here on the Trick or Treat Lane. And it's obviously the event grows and grows and gets more and more popular and exciting. especially based on the good work that Mike Langford and Aaron Stroud have put into it and all the volunteers, including the Park and Rec Commission, and the Caledonia Street merchants do to make this a wonderful event. Again, if you are going to be available to man at the table or have your own table, or a group table, whatever the interest is, please make sure that you contact Aaron and Mike so that we're squared away. Happy to answer any questions. Councilmember Pfeiffer made an important announcement earlier in because of some of the dynamics, the message may have gotten lost a little bit. But, on the traffic study. but it's bigger than the traffic setting. any issue that you're going to be able to do that. residents or community members have concerns over don't have to wait for the traffic study or any other report they should be bringing that information to staff either directly to me as the city manager or write to the department head if they know exactly where it belongs. And some of the residents, you know, don't hesitate to do that Today we've had some concerns about dogs off leash We've had concerns about various Trash containers, we had a very busy weekend. restrooms, just some basic stuff. And as much as we appreciate folks waiting for reports to come out so that they can read respond and react. they have concerns right now. Now... to not hesitate. we can get that information to our consultants. One of the things that we saw tonight with the housing element is that we've had a lot of meetings and a lot of public input. And even though we weren't able to resolve every issue that came forward. We narrowed that list down considerably, and again, I heard council members mentioned that's Not only is the council listening, but the staff is listening. And not only does Lilly deserve a great round of applause for her role in this, but her leadership in this was really significant. |
| 02:41:59.51 | Sarah Mars | you know, |
| 02:42:02.33 | Adam Politzer | and to be able to take the public input and try to work with the consultants to get to some level of agreement, I think, was Yeoman's work on her behalf. So again, as comments come up regarding bicycles, congestion. The use of the dog park. noise from special events, please just direct them right to me. That's the easiest way to get it to the right source. But if it's real obvious that it's a police manner or a park and rec manner or a public works manner, please direct them right to the department head themselves. |
| 02:42:39.32 | Linda | I have a quick question for Adam. Thank you, Mayor. Adam, what is the date for the MCCMC dinner this month? |
| 02:42:48.40 | Adam Politzer | Wednesday the 24th. |
| 02:42:49.42 | Linda | Okay, thank you. |
| 02:42:49.46 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:42:52.63 | Unknown | Okay, thank you, Adam. I have a couple questions. How many people will be in an academy? |
| 02:42:59.03 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:42:59.04 | Unknown | God bless. |
| 02:42:59.45 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. year. So the Academy based on the structure it's eight months. Eight months. So it will run from January to August and the first session we traditionally have the city managers and the mayors come and welcome the the candidates, they will, there'll be seven from each town. So one from each department. So there's 20, potential of 21, although Tiburon has a different structure |
| 02:43:26.36 | Unknown | So one from each department. |
| 02:43:32.66 | Adam Politzer | they have a fire district, they have a library district, |
| 02:43:35.54 | Dr Fessel | Thank you. |
| 02:43:35.80 | Adam Politzer | and they have shared services for recreation services with Velveter so they may not actually All seven. |
| 02:43:44.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:44.30 | Unknown | All seven. Thank you. |
| 02:43:47.81 | Adam Politzer | an academy of seven, It's also an intimate an effective group and actually the group would have a lot more, it's like a private school, they'd have a lot more attention and hands on work. Class of 21, brings the dynamics of the networking ability. |
| 02:44:06.02 | Unknown | And will there be a different, each month, a different presenter, like Right, there'll be a different theme for each. |
| 02:44:11.00 | Adam Politzer | Right, there'll be a different theme for each month. So team building would be an area, and we'd probably ask folks from outside of the community to participate that. We talk about risk management. |
| 02:44:14.61 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:44:14.91 | Sarah Mars | Thank you. |
| 02:44:24.58 | Dr Fessel | you |
| 02:44:24.87 | Adam Politzer | We talk about budgeting. Budgeting would be a full day, you know, and all the elements in financial management that goes into budgeting. Communication, how do you work with the public, public meetings. |
| 02:44:37.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:37.96 | Adam Politzer | I mean you can see that there's no shortage of ideas unless And the nice things about these academies, one, we're not the first, I obviously shared I attended one in Palo Alto and I wasn't the first attendee in 1994. The county also puts on their own. They have one, but it's just for the county employees because they're so large they're able to do that. So every year, it will kind of, based on who the pool of applicants are, |
| 02:44:55.51 | Sarah Mars | Boy. |
| 02:45:04.14 | Adam Politzer | Some of the sessions may change and then in other cases, some will always remain the same because they'll always be pertinent. |
| 02:45:10.26 | Unknown | It's a terrific idea. I applaud you for doing it. Thank you. Last but not least, I wanted to say that the chili cook-off this year was a blast. So Mike and his crew, Aaron, get lots of kudos, and it was fun, and there were lots of people there and lots of chili. I was a judge and I ate 15 different chilies, some twice, but it was great fun. It was a really nice event. You ended up working for him. Yeah, right. I'll pass that along. I know that staff always enjoys. Yeah, it was really well done, well organized, and really came off fantastically. All right, Mary, we interviewed two people for the Trees and Abuse Committee, but I'm looking at the agenda here, and that appointments to the committees are not on the agenda. Does that mean I can't do it? |
| 02:45:35.81 | Unknown | of that weather. Right. |
| 02:45:38.04 | Adam Politzer | I'll pass that along. I know that staff always Yeah, it was really well done. |
| 02:46:01.07 | Mary Wagner | That means you can't do it. |
| 02:46:02.02 | Unknown | Okay, can you put it for sure on the next |
| 02:46:05.23 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:46:06.62 | Unknown | Oh, there's too many things. |
| 02:46:07.27 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:46:07.32 | Debbie | Yes. |
| 02:46:08.16 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:46:08.36 | Debbie | Thanks. |
| 02:46:08.63 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:46:08.65 | Debbie | Thank you. No, they still are their applicants. |
| 02:46:10.35 | Unknown | Oh, another applicant. Okay. Okay. All right. Maybe we could still put it on, though, if we get the other applicant next meeting. Absolutely not at all. |
| 02:46:18.54 | Unknown | I'll talk to you offline. Okay. |
| 02:46:20.40 | Unknown | I'll talk to you offline. OK. All right. OK, so we can't do that. We interviewed two capable candidates, it seemed, this evening. So we're at the future agenda items. Future energy items, okay. Council member committee reports. I haven't been to a committee meeting in two weeks. So, okay. Thank you. and other reports of significance. That brings us to the logical conclusion called adjournment. All right, thank you. Thank you for coming and staying. |
| 02:46:50.97 | Dr Fessel | seconds. |
| 02:46:53.66 | Linda | Yes. |
| 02:46:54.26 | Unknown | Thank you. Right. |