| Time | Speaker | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00:00.03 | Mayor Kelly | And Jonathan Goldman, yes. |
| 00:00:02.87 | Councilmember Weiner | And Lauren. |
| 00:00:05.21 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:00:05.23 | Mayor Kelly | THE FEDERAL. |
| 00:00:05.30 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm not sure. |
| 00:00:05.35 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:00:05.65 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:00:06.65 | Councilmember Weiner | Hey, nice color, Lauren. You want a vest? I have a vest that fellow for you. |
| 00:00:11.42 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, there's actually a purpose behind the best, and that's why we're here tonight. Jonathan, I'm not entirely sure where he is, but we are here tonight to provide or present safety awards to some members of the Department of Public Works maintenance staff. The three people we are honoring tonight are Les James, Bill Ashworth, and Jason Finch. These three gentlemen are our landscapers and do a fantastic job around town keeping our parks clean, helping us keep trees out of the roadway, and keeping our medians looking safe. |
| 00:00:22.19 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 00:00:22.20 | Councilmember Weiner | Bye. |
| 00:00:28.72 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 00:00:50.96 | Jonathon Goldman | Kent and Jonathan and I were having some discussions the other day and got to talking about what these gentlemen do. And part of what they do is, in many ways, one of the riskiest things that the Department of Public Works does on a regular basis, which is work in the medians on Bridgeway. And as you are all well aware, there's plenty of traffic on Bridgeway and there's not a lot of extra room. And these gentlemen have shown Great dedication both to their own safety and to the safety of drivers that they make sure that all the proper safety and signs are taken and make sure that that work gets done in a very safe manner. We wanted to thank them for that because in my old industry we used to talk a lot about |
| 00:01:26.82 | Andrew Davidson | So, |
| 00:01:38.82 | Jonathon Goldman | and cost and schedule, but we also talked about the fact that none of those would be very important if safety was not taken into consideration and somebody was injured. So we wanted to come in and Les was able to make it tonight. Jason Finch was going to come by tonight, but he was attacked by Yellow jackets today, so he was unable to make it in. |
| 00:01:58.16 | Andrew Davidson | on Amazon. |
| 00:02:00.33 | Jonathon Goldman | And Bill Ashworth was also unable to make it, but we presented them with certificates a few weeks ago at the open house for the Department of Public Works and wanted to make sure that we gave them another public presentation. called out their wonderful service to the city of Sausalito. So with that, I'd like to introduce Les James and have him stand up. And if you'd like to say a few words, you're more than welcome to do so. Otherwise, you can shake my hand, John. |
| 00:02:29.61 | Les James | of the service. |
| 00:02:30.91 | Mayor Kelly | Les, could you go to the microphone so we can get this on the record? Thank you. |
| 00:02:34.35 | Les James | Thanks. It's good to be here. I've worked almost 24 years for the city, and this is my first city council meeting. Wow. |
| 00:02:43.33 | Unknown | No. Bye. |
| 00:02:44.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:44.93 | Les James | That's what I'm saying. |
| 00:02:44.93 | Councilmember Weiner | Well, that's because you were so up early in the morning. I see you going up 4th Street at about 6.30. |
| 00:02:51.38 | Les James | Yeah, yeah. Not that this is my cup of tea, but I realize business meetings are important and I appreciate everything that you all do to support us workers and the city. I've grown to like the city quite a bit. I've never lived in Marin, but it's really nice and I've grown like a lot of the citizens and as well as the staff and business owners. Thank you very much. But it's really nice and I've grown to like a lot of the citizens as well as the staff and business owners. Thank you very much, Ed. |
| 00:02:52.36 | Councilmember Weiner | Oh. |
| 00:03:22.80 | Mayor Kelly | Terrific, thank you. |
| 00:03:29.13 | Jonathon Goldman | Before you leave Les, I'm not sure if Jonathan has some additional words. Okay, great. Thank you very much and please keep an eye out for our people out on the roads. They're doing a lot and try not to hit them with your cars. |
| 00:03:42.85 | Mayor Kelly | Thanks, Les. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. |
| 00:03:42.93 | Jonathon Goldman | Thanks, Les. Thank you. |
| 00:03:47.84 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Let's see, I guess we're here now for the presentation from Viña de Mar, Sister City. Mike, there you are. |
| 00:03:58.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:00.23 | Mayor Kelly | Absolutely, please. |
| 00:04:01.51 | Unknown | Is that right, Mr. President? |
| 00:04:02.93 | Mayor Kelly | Absolutely. He's got a giant jacket on. I mean, and there's a cardinal hat. Somebody's foolish not to wear that. |
| 00:04:08.60 | Unknown | And there's a cardinal |
| 00:04:09.97 | Unknown | That is a... |
| 00:04:10.73 | Les James | Somebody's... |
| 00:04:11.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:13.54 | Unknown | Well, Mayor Kelly and members of the council, thank you very much for allowing us to come by this evening. I know you're always busy, but it's a special pleasure for us this week |
| 00:04:15.45 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 00:04:25.90 | Unknown | to be welcoming to Sausalito. Thank you. Two members of, two people from Viña del Mar, our sister city, Jose Miguel Gil, who is the head of Viña del Mar's Department of Culture, and Germán Van Appen, who is a painter, whose work is Currently, as some of you saw earlier this evening, on display over at Studio 333, they're here this week to explore further with us ways in which we can continue to strengthen the Sister City relationship with Vigna del Mar. You may remember last year that, of course, Mayor Reginato came here in July, council member then Mayor Weiner and I had the opportunity to return that visit in November and this is really the latest in a series of steps that have been taken. I'd like to just be able to introduce them to you this evening. Please. To allow them just to say a few words. We're also very pleased this evening to have with us Jacqueline Joaquera, who is with the Chilean Consulate in San Francisco, a special guest this evening. Unfortunately, Consul General Rolando Ortega, who is also helping us with our efforts, is in Chile right now and so was not able to join us this evening. Veronica Barzilato, who is a Sausalito resident, is here this evening and Veronica is just one of a number of members of our group who have been assisting with interpreting for our guests. So if I could ask Veronica and Mr. Hill and Mr. Van Appen to just come up here, please. |
| 00:06:31.92 | Unknown | And first, perhaps we can have a few words from Mr. Hume. |
| 00:06:35.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:35.16 | Clerk | Thank you. |
| 00:06:36.04 | Unknown | and I can ask you a question. |
| 00:06:39.38 | Jose Miguel Gil | Señor Alcalde. |
| 00:06:41.08 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor. |
| 00:06:42.33 | Jose Miguel Gil | Mr. Honorable Consejo Municipal |
| 00:06:45.38 | Unknown | and members of the Honorable Council |
| 00:06:48.02 | Jose Miguel Gil | Señores funcionarios. of the municipality. |
| 00:06:51.16 | Unknown | other employees of the municipality. |
| 00:06:54.08 | Jose Miguel Gil | Les traigo un saludo muy platico. special and very particular of our alcaldess who remembers Sausalito with vive emotion. |
| 00:07:03.88 | Unknown | I am bringing to you the thoughts and words of our mayor who remembers Salsalito with much, much emotion. |
| 00:07:14.53 | Jose Miguel Gil | This week, just the Sunday morning, there are municipalities and we believe that the Ms. Attorney will be elected at least with 80% of the votes, that's what we expected. Thank you. |
| 00:07:27.29 | Unknown | And we are having this Sunday elections in Viña del Mar. |
| 00:07:31.62 | Jose Miguel Gil | Yeah. |
| 00:07:31.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:31.98 | Unknown | And we hope that the mayor will be re-elected. We are pretty sure that she will be re-elected with an 80% of the votes. At least that's what we hope. |
| 00:07:40.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:40.31 | Jose Miguel Gil | Thank you. |
| 00:07:40.35 | Unknown | Ooh. |
| 00:07:41.87 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:07:42.14 | Unknown | Last time it was. |
| 00:07:42.57 | Unknown | last time. |
| 00:07:43.17 | Jose Miguel Gil | For me in the Mar is very important this alliance, this hermanation that he has with Sau Salito today, as it was in 1960. |
| 00:07:55.70 | Unknown | Por Viña del Mar, the sister city relationship, is very important, as important as it was in 1960 when it was founded. |
| 00:08:04.29 | Jose Miguel Gil | A pesar de la asimetría que tiene nuestra ciudad, for Viña del Mar the having signed in 1960 the agreement meant to open the world. |
| 00:08:18.52 | Unknown | Even though there may be asymmetries or differences between our cities, for Viña del Mar, when it signed the sister city relationship, it meant opening up to the world. |
| 00:08:31.28 | Jose Miguel Gil | And today we have a new challenge. the alcaldesa has designated me as a responsible funcionary a cargo de sacar adelante este proyecto desde la perspectiva de la ciudad y de la organization called Municipio. |
| 00:08:49.42 | Unknown | And the mayor has asked me to take the responsibility to have this sister city relationship grow and progress from the point of view of the citizens as well as the city. Thank you. as a municipality. |
| 00:09:05.01 | Jose Miguel Gil | approximately 100 hectares of our city. If I'm not mistaken, there are 200 acres. have the name of Sausalito, and it is not a minor thing. That symbolizes that you are really with us. |
| 00:09:24.04 | Unknown | Approximately 100 hectares, and if I'm not wrong in doing the math, I think that's about 200 acres, I'm not sure, in our city are named Sausalito. |
| 00:09:35.37 | Unknown | you |
| 00:09:35.45 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 00:09:35.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:35.87 | Unknown | And that, I think, is already important. |
| 00:09:39.22 | Jose Miguel Gil | Thank you. |
| 00:09:39.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:40.01 | Jose Miguel Gil | So for me it is a tremendous responsibility to bring this project to a good term. |
| 00:09:47.75 | Unknown | So for me, it is a great responsibility to have this project come to a good end. |
| 00:09:53.39 | Jose Miguel Gil | I thank you for receiving us. I thank you for being with us and that this alliance lasts many, many years. And that God bless you. |
| 00:10:03.92 | Unknown | I thank you very much for having received us here, and I hope this sisterhood will continue for many, many years. May God bless you all. |
| 00:10:11.68 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you very much. |
| 00:10:18.20 | Unknown | Thank you. Mr. Hill, thank you so much for those kind words. And I'd like to now introduce Mr. Von Appen, who would like to just say a couple of words too. Herman. |
| 00:10:25.79 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.99 | Jose Miguel Gil | Well... Good afternoon, Mr. Alcaldi and all the authorities. |
| 00:10:38.29 | Unknown | Good evening, Mr. Mayor and all the other authorities. |
| 00:10:41.87 | Jose Miguel Gil | Thank you. and The experience of being here has been very I know, right? |
| 00:10:48.86 | Unknown | My experience in being here has been very pleasant. |
| 00:10:52.49 | Jose Miguel Gil | This is a project that bring me to work that It started with an invitation from the Municipality of Viña del Mar |
| 00:11:04.55 | Unknown | This is a project that began as an invitation from the municipality in Viña del Mar to invite me to see if I could come here. |
| 00:11:13.12 | Jose Miguel Gil | and the project started and in that whole lapse I was always very anxious to do it. |
| 00:11:23.74 | Unknown | And so the project began and for the whole time that it was in the planning stages, I was very anxious to see if it would happen. |
| 00:11:30.59 | Jose Miguel Gil | And now that I'm here, I am very grateful, very happy and proud of being able to show my work. |
| 00:11:36.78 | Unknown | you And now that I'm here, I'm very happy to be here. I'm very proud to be able to show my work. |
| 00:11:43.68 | Jose Miguel Gil | And apart from my work, I also show Mark and part of his surroundings in my work. |
| 00:11:52.41 | Unknown | and apart from being here to show Viña del Mar through my work and all the surroundings of Viña del Mar. |
| 00:12:00.36 | Jose Miguel Gil | And what was also a casualty, because I always dedicated myself It has always attracted me to work on the landscape |
| 00:12:07.24 | Unknown | and which was also something that was a coincidence because I've always liked to do skates, landscapes and cityscapes. |
| 00:12:15.21 | Jose Miguel Gil | And this city liked me a lot. A lot of inspiration to be able to work and paint it, to present it in the canvas. |
| 00:12:21.45 | Unknown | So... So I have liked this town. very, very much, and it has provided me with great inspiration to do more work and also represent it on my canvas. |
| 00:12:35.25 | Jose Miguel Gil | So I am very grateful to all of you and the municipality of Viña del Mar for all this project that is already completed and is reaching to the end. And I am very happy. Thank you. |
| 00:12:49.01 | Unknown | So I'm very, very grateful to all of you, to the city of Viña del Mar, for this having become a real project. And thank you very much again. |
| 00:12:59.72 | Mayor Kelly | Well, thank you very much. |
| 00:13:01.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:06.59 | Unknown | Make a presentation. |
| 00:13:27.60 | Jose Miguel Gil | Let's go. |
| 00:14:22.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:03.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:40.44 | Unknown | Hell no. |
| 00:15:42.14 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. Bye. |
| 00:15:42.37 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:15:44.56 | Christina Roark | Thank you. |
| 00:15:44.61 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:15:44.63 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:15:44.64 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:15:46.21 | Unknown | Thank you. One for you, one for you. you |
| 00:15:48.44 | Councilmember Weiner | I hope you have a key for the house. |
| 00:15:53.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:53.05 | Mayor Kelly | I want to say that |
| 00:15:53.28 | Councilmember Weiner | I want to say... |
| 00:15:56.51 | Mayor Kelly | This shit. This rekindling of the sister city relationship. that we have, that has happened largely through Mike Moyle, who has been dedicated to making this happen again and rejuvenating it. is a wonderful thing because, as you know, we have Vineyard Amar Park. a beautiful statue in Gabrielson Park, and all that represents that relationship in the past, and now it's great to bring it back again. and have it renewed and and energized by another generation. Thank you very much for coming, and we're going to find a lot of ways to communicate back and forth. And I'm looking forward personally to a trip to Chile. Yes. So thank you for coming. Appreciate it. |
| 00:16:56.11 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:16:56.16 | Adam Politzer | All right. |
| 00:16:59.84 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, I just wanted to also give a couple more gifts here. and also share this morning that I met with Mr. Gill and Mr. Von Appen to talk about the commonality between our two communities and also to echo what the mayor just shared and what was shared by our guests here of the importance of this relationship that's now over 50 years old. And I'd like to thank the Consul General's office because it was during Jonathan Leon's term as mayor where they came and celebrated the 50 year, with a celebration in Vina Del Mar Park. exceptional video of that celebration that I believe is available on our city website. But as the mayor has shared, the relationship that has been renewed and fostered by his sister city committee and the leadership of Michael Moyle has really been very important. And this meeting with their city official and talking about the future of how to work together as a city is really, really important. Also this morning it gave us a reminder, and I think it will remind the vice mayor, of the catastrophic earthquake that occurred back, I think, roughly around 2010. And they are still recovering from those efforts, so we shouldn't forget the catastrophic event that occurred in their community, and I hope to keep this relationship strong and vibrant for many years to come. |
| 00:18:43.35 | Adam Politzer | And I too have a few gifts for you. |
| 00:18:46.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:46.86 | Jose Miguel Gil | Thank you. |
| 00:18:48.75 | Adam Politzer | These are city coffee mugs or tea mugs, depending on with our city emblem. I also, knowing that you were interested in the history of Sausalito, the Historical Society has a nice brief book here about the history of Sausalito for your enjoyment. And for Mr. von Oppen, I'm sure that you enjoyed the artistry of our houseboats. So a very distinguished member of our community who no longer is with us is Phil Frank, and he has a book that he's put together here on the houseboats of Sausalito. |
| 00:19:09.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:19:09.47 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 00:19:24.88 | Adam Politzer | In addition, there's some nice postcards from a local artist who actually is an employee of the city of Sausalito, Jean Church, who has some beautiful postcards of our community, including the houseboats too. So hopefully you enjoy these and these will fit in your luggage nicely. . |
| 00:19:44.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:19:46.17 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:19:57.68 | Unknown | Thank you. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. |
| 00:20:02.14 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Right. . Thank you. Thank you so much for coming. See you at the house. All right. All right. Very special moments. All right. This is the time now in which the public communications are made available. So anyone who wishes to address the council on any matters that are not on the agenda |
| 00:20:09.88 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:20:33.27 | Mayor Kelly | Does anyone care to address the council on any matters that are not on the agenda? |
| 00:20:40.16 | Councilmember Winer | you can make people say what to leave the actual Oh yeah, yeah. |
| 00:20:43.25 | Mayor Kelly | Oh, yeah. Okay, seeing none, we'll move on. Mike, I want to tell you, you guys don't have to stay for this meeting, but you're welcome to stay. Coming up. Okay, good. Excellent. All right, we'll move on to action minutes of the previous meetings. We have three, so we'll vote separately on each one. Do we have a motion on the A, 3A, minutes of the regular meeting September 25th? |
| 00:21:11.97 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. Israel. Then it's where people have comments, is that correct? You had to go back. Yes. So given that, so it's up to. |
| 00:21:22.65 | Mayor Kelly | The staff report As I read the staff report, let me get it up here. I'll read it. I think concluded that all of the minutes accurately reflect. Yeah. And I want to make a statement about that since we're talking about that. Is that the reason for having action minutes is to draw you to the video on the web. So if you see a subject there, the details are contained on the web and it's so easily accessible and so easily |
| 00:21:34.75 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:21:52.69 | Mayor Kelly | manipulate it to find exactly the moment you're looking for it. You can literally take your finger and drag the the bar on the screen to find the action item and or go through the testimony or whatever you want to do. So that's the actual record of the City Council's exact words, what everybody said exactly. This is just a quick and very brief action minute to avoid having to transcribe all of these into page after page of dialogue, which we used to do. So we've moved to the 21st century. So having said that, I believe that the action minutes as written all reflect the, correctly reflect what was said in the actual meeting. So unless somebody wants to challenge that, I'll take a motion on 3A. |
| 00:22:52.91 | Councilmember Weiner | So we'll move. |
| 00:22:53.57 | Mayor Kelly | All right. Second. |
| 00:22:54.08 | Councilmember Winer | Second? Moved as originally written. As originally written. |
| 00:22:55.78 | Mayor Kelly | That's originally written. |
| 00:22:56.73 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, in all cases. Some. |
| 00:22:58.03 | Mayor Kelly | Bye. |
| 00:22:58.08 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:22:58.14 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. All right, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 00:23:00.31 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:23:00.34 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:23:00.95 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:23:03.34 | Mayor Kelly | None, all right. Then the minutes of the regular City Council meeting of October 9th, same issue. We believe that they are... Correct. City clerk. |
| 00:23:15.39 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, the only thing, Debbie, on that one is I think the headington is spelled with two Ds instead of like head-ington. Oh, yeah. So that's the only one. |
| 00:23:21.79 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 00:23:24.94 | Councilmember Winer | Correction I have. |
| 00:23:26.12 | Mayor Kelly | Good. All right, take a motion on that. |
| 00:23:28.28 | Councilmember Weiner | So moved. |
| 00:23:29.33 | Mayor Kelly | All in favor? |
| 00:23:30.51 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:23:30.53 | Councilmember Weiner | All right. |
| 00:23:30.78 | Mayor Kelly | I... |
| 00:23:30.82 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:23:30.93 | Unknown | . |
| 00:23:30.97 | Councilmember Weiner | Bye. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:23:31.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:23:31.39 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 00:23:31.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:23:31.54 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:23:31.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:23:31.69 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:23:31.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:23:32.05 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:23:33.75 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah, moving second. |
| 00:23:35.22 | Councilmember Weiner | You move. |
| 00:23:36.33 | Mayor Kelly | You moved it. Okay, he seconds it. All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. And then 3C. |
| 00:23:36.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:23:39.47 | Councilmember Weiner | Hi. |
| 00:23:42.78 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. I've submitted. |
| 00:23:47.13 | Councilmember Weiner | So moved. I'll second. |
| 00:23:49.07 | Mayor Kelly | All in favor? |
| 00:23:49.92 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:23:49.93 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:23:49.95 | Councilmember Weiner | I. |
| 00:23:49.97 | Mayor Kelly | Aye. Anyone opposed? None. Okay. Moving along with the consent calendar. I'd like to, at the request of planning, we're going to pull 4E and continue to a date uncertain. So that is off. So we're voting on A, B, C, and D. Items on consent calendar, any member of the public, they're usually routine, they're usually non-controversial, but any member of the public or the council can remove those items for a full hearing. Does any member of the public care to remove any item from the consent calendar? Seeing none, anybody in the council? Seeing none, I have a motion. |
| 00:24:31.88 | Jonathon Goldman | the whole. . |
| 00:24:33.72 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 00:24:33.76 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:24:34.10 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. All right. All in favor? Aye. All right. Now, it brings us to public hearings. And first hearing is |
| 00:24:35.66 | Jonathon Goldman | All right. |
| 00:24:41.61 | Mayor Kelly | Introduction, first reading by title only of accordance to city council. You might want to... |
| 00:24:47.55 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:24:47.68 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. |
| 00:24:47.97 | Councilmember Winer | that he doesn't have to stay. |
| 00:24:50.67 | Mayor Kelly | Were you supposed to be on the agenda? Thank you. |
| 00:24:52.83 | Councilmember Winer | of the |
| 00:24:52.86 | Mayor Kelly | Oh. |
| 00:24:52.93 | Councilmember Winer | I'm not sure. |
| 00:24:52.98 | Mayor Kelly | Oh. |
| 00:24:53.18 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:24:54.35 | Mayor Kelly | Hmm. |
| 00:24:54.62 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:24:56.51 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:24:56.56 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. |
| 00:24:56.98 | Mayor Kelly | Did I miss something? |
| 00:24:57.60 | Councilmember Winer | There's something I can say. Thank you. Did you want to speak, before you move on, do you want to speak to the Cascais? Yes. So why don't we reopen, I moved to reopen discussions. |
| 00:25:02.83 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. Thank you. |
| 00:25:08.02 | Mayor Kelly | Well, we open 1B. 1B is... |
| 00:25:09.89 | Councilmember Winer | One B is. 4A, right? Isn't it 4A? |
| 00:25:13.01 | Mayor Kelly | Or 1A. |
| 00:25:14.14 | Councilmember Winer | I'm sorry. Thank you. |
| 00:25:14.60 | Councilmember Weiner | Right. |
| 00:25:15.02 | Councilmember Winer | Don't worry. |
| 00:25:16.16 | Mayor Kelly | No, it's wait, wait, wait, wait. |
| 00:25:16.18 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:25:16.23 | Councilmember Weiner | No. |
| 00:25:20.70 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:25:20.72 | Councilmember Winer | It's the only one they're here for, I think. Yeah. |
| 00:25:24.33 | Mayor Kelly | That's, oh, that's it. Yeah. Okay. |
| 00:25:24.42 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. That's it. Yes. So why don't we do this? So if you voted in affirmative, we can reopen the last item. Come talk. |
| 00:25:34.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Come talk. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, may I comment? So we've already approved it, and so I think we're okay. If they would like to make just a comment to thank the council or what have you, that would be welcome. |
| 00:25:43.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:25:43.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:25:43.45 | Mayor Kelly | If they would like to make a |
| 00:25:49.76 | Mayor Kelly | That would be terrific. Bye. Thank you. |
| 00:25:53.69 | Unknown | I do want to thank the council. |
| 00:25:56.58 | Jonathon Goldman | was so easy right |
| 00:25:56.60 | Unknown | Thank you. Oh, my God. Thank you. Yeah, I wasn't sure of the protocol, so I really do appreciate it because I know it's been a long haul. And we're making the plannings for May. And I have been in communication with Alexander Freeh, who the mayor received your letter. And I think they've already responded. I have an email response. I don't know if you've received it yet, but they... No, okay. It's in the in the mail I believe and I can forward the email where they are gladly accepting to join us May 1st through May 6th so and then planning committee is doing the fundraising and we'll provide more details about what events they'll be and hopefully we'll have a fun you know participation all of that so once again I think this is going to be a great new relationship with Salcelino. Thanks to the support from the second sister, Salcelino Sister Cities Committee for all of their support because I really, that's really, it's nice to be plugged into this larger organization. So thanks again, everybody. |
| 00:26:00.65 | Jonathon Goldman | So, |
| 00:26:22.45 | Unknown | Mm. |
| 00:26:31.68 | Unknown | Oh, great. |
| 00:26:40.32 | Andrew Davidson | you know, |
| 00:26:58.78 | Councilmember Winer | Thanks again. Good. |
| 00:27:00.25 | Mayor Kelly | Excellent. |
| 00:27:00.91 | Councilmember Winer | to just amend my vote only if my daughter can walk as a princess in the chandler again because every year she's very jealous and she can't wear those flowing capes and the crowns |
| 00:27:05.30 | Mayor Kelly | I've never heard it. |
| 00:27:06.04 | Unknown | Because everyone... |
| 00:27:06.66 | Mayor Kelly | Cheers. |
| 00:27:09.16 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 00:27:09.18 | Unknown | in caves in the cryo. |
| 00:27:10.53 | Unknown | You know it. |
| 00:27:11.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:11.91 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:27:11.98 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:27:12.05 | Unknown | you know, |
| 00:27:12.27 | Councilmember Winer | You know, seriously. |
| 00:27:12.97 | Unknown | Obviously, that's actually a real good possibility. |
| 00:27:15.83 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:27:15.86 | Councilmember Winer | Bye. |
| 00:27:15.98 | Unknown | Oh! |
| 00:27:16.30 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. |
| 00:27:16.43 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. I'm sorry. |
| 00:27:17.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:17.19 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 00:27:17.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:17.23 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'm not. |
| 00:27:17.26 | Unknown | I'm teasing. I'm teasing. Thanks, everybody. |
| 00:27:20.18 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:27:20.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:20.35 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:27:20.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:20.94 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you very much. Yay. |
| 00:27:22.04 | Mayor Kelly | Thanks. |
| 00:27:26.71 | Mayor Kelly | Anybody else want to speak? Okay, seeing none. Thank you. All right, well, you get what you want and talk to. That was 4A through D. That was 4A through D, right, yeah. |
| 00:27:32.79 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. That was 4A through D. Yeah. |
| 00:27:42.79 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, so we're back down to public hearings number 5A, and that is an introduction, first reading by title only of an ordinance of City Council of City of Sausalito establishing regulations for new accessory dwelling units and an amnesty program for existing unpermitted accessory dwelling units. That was continued from 10-9-12. |
| 00:27:48.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:48.97 | Andrew Davidson | you |
| 00:28:05.10 | Unknown | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, council members. So on October 9th, staff gave a presentation on this item and it's continued for the first reading to tonight's meeting. Mr. Mayor, would you like me to give the full blown presentation I gave up the October 9th or a? |
| 00:28:21.44 | Mayor Kelly | or a The shorter version because we've got it on record already. |
| 00:28:40.22 | Unknown | Yes. So the item tonight is introducing an ordinance regarding accessory dwelling units. or ADUs. ADUs are attached or detached residential units, which are ancillary to the primary unit on the lot. They contain living facilities, including kitchen, bathroom, and the permanent provisions for those facilities on the lot. |
| 00:29:11.08 | Unknown | A little bit of background on the state law. The second unit law encourages the creation of ADUs and allows cities to establish their own ordinance to allow them in the city. One of the key parts of the ADU law is that the ordinance must be ministerial, which means that staff must be able to approve an ADU permit over the counter. So we need to set a criteria or a checklist in order to do that. State law allows us to have some latitude with that checklist, so we can allow them in certain residential areas. So we can say they are allowed in single-family zoning districts, but not in multifamily, for example. We can also establish criteria for parking standards, height standards, setback standards, building coverage, floor area, all those sorts of things. We are also allowed to have an optional discretionary review process for the ADU. So if the ADU doesn't meet a certain criteria, the Planning Commission could hear that permit for a conditional use permit. |
| 00:30:24.08 | Unknown | So our adopted housing element requires the city to develop an ADU ordinance and an amnesty program. This year, there was an ADU working group formed of Housing Element Task Force members to create that draft ordinance. It was subsequently forwarded to the Planning Commission for review, and they reviewed it in September. and recommended it be forwarded on to the city council. |
| 00:30:55.54 | Unknown | The ADU ordinance in your packet tonight has five different components. First, it deletes the existing Chapter 1021, which currently prohibits ADUs in the city. And then it also adds a new section describing the regulations for new ADUs and granting amnesty for existing unpermitted ADUs. And that's the focus of tonight's meeting. The other components are that it modifies Table 10.22-2, which describes the allowed uses in residential districts. It also adds in definitions for ADUs and removes the existing definition of secondary dwelling. |
| 00:31:39.97 | Unknown | These are the three different types of ADUs we're going to be talking about tonight. The first is a detached ADU, which is physically separate from the main residence on the parcel. An attached ADU is either created by using existing floor area in the main unit and bumping out a wall or physically attaching the ADU to an existing residence. And the last type is an interior conversion ADU. which uses existing floor area in the home and only involves exterior construction for the addition of windows or doors. |
| 00:32:23.26 | Unknown | So the process for allowing new EDUs in the city would be a staff level review, with. the potential for exceptions to be reviewed by the Planning Commission under a conditional use permit. For unpermitted ADUs, there would be an amnesty ADU permit. If the property owner demonstrates that that unit meets those standards, then it could be approved, and there are no exceptions at that level. |
| 00:32:52.45 | Unknown | So going through the standards for the new ADUs, which is in your draft ordinance, Only one ADU would be allowed per parcel. that be allowed in all single family, two family, and multi-family zoning districts. and they have to contain a separate entrance from the main unit in addition to separate kitchen and bathroom facilities. |
| 00:33:15.85 | Unknown | They also need to comply with the California Building Code and secure a building permit. Additionally, they will also have to comply with the floor area ratio requirements. And this was a significant discussion at the working group level and the planning commission level. whether or not a waiver should be granted for floor area. The Planning Commission is recommending that the floor area could be exceeded with a conditional use permit, and the cap would be up to 10% of the parcel up to 500 square feet. So this table at the bottom shows you what that means for different sized parcels. |
| 00:34:00.35 | Unknown | If the Planning Commission does approve a conditional use permit with that exception to floor area, there would be a requirement for a deed restriction on the property if the property owner ever converts the ADU back into the main residence, the property owner would have to recredit the floor area back to the property. |
| 00:34:24.26 | Unknown | In terms of building coverage and impervious surfaces, the ADU would be required to conform with those standards. Again, there could be an exception process with the Planning Commission with this conditional use permit for up to 5% of the parcel, 5, sorry, 5% of the allowable building coverage or impervious surface ratios. And that would be up to the discretion of the Planning Commission. And this table here shows some example parcel sizes in different zoning districts and shows that there would be basically an under 150 square foot additional building coverage or impervious surface that could be granted by the Planning Commission. And that could allow for someone who's built out on their property to establish a new ADU. if it's reviewed and approved. by the Commission. In terms of height, the ADU would have to comply with the height requirements for the main building if it's attached. It would have a 15-foot height limit if it's detached, and that's exactly the same as our current accessory structure regulations in the city. Again, there could be exceptions granted by the Planning Commission. In terms of setbacks, it needs to comply. Again, there could be exceptions allowed by the Planning Commission. |
| 00:35:48.13 | Unknown | For parking, parking will be required for new ADUs. One space will be required for units that are under, that are 700 square feet or less. And two spaces would be required for units that are over 700 square feet. The property owner would be able to apply for an exception from the requirements with a conditional use permit. They have to demonstrate that parking is not feasible on the site. They have to provide a parking study showing the availability of on-street parking in the neighborhood, and it has to demonstrate that there's an equal amount as required by the code. So if it's, two parking spaces required by the code, this study needs to show that there's two parking spaces available on the street. And then lastly, the main unit would have to comply with the requirements. So that's another condition. |
| 00:36:44.31 | Unknown | terms of how big the unit can be for interior conversions, They get a little bit more square footage allowed. They can be up to no greater than 40% of the primary unit, up to 1,000 square feet. And there's two bedrooms allowed. Madam. attached and detached units. They can only be 30% of the primary unit up to 700 square feet and with a one bedroom max. There could be an exception granted by the Planning Commission to allow the same square footage as an interior conversion for attached and detached units. If the Planning Commission approves that, there would have to be an affordability covenant against the property that requires the property owner to rent that unit at an affordable rate. And we've developed a sliding scale approach where the property owner could pick that affordability rate The shorter time period, the more affordable the unit would have to be that the property owner is able to select. what they would like. In terms of design, the new unit would have to be designed to be compatible with the main unit in terms of architectural features, window arrangements, colors. There could be an exception for detached units from the Planning Commission. In terms of views, the unit is required to be designed to not impair views from neighboring properties. So story polls would be required to be put up If staff determines that there's a view impact, then it would have to be reviewed by the Planning Commission with a conditional use permit. In terms of privacy, the unit would have to be designed so that the windows, decks, and doors don't overlap the exterior and interior living areas of adjoining properties, or they would have to show that there is adequate screening. for privacy concerns. |
| 00:38:48.49 | Unknown | The unit also has to show that it doesn't have adverse light impacts on adjacent properties. If it's anticipated after the story polls go up that there would be light impacts, a shadow study would be required by staff, and the shadow study would have to show that the unit would not impact more than 25% of the light on an adjacent parcel for more than 30 days per year. If that's shown that it does cause more impact than that, it would go to the Planning Commission for review. The owner is also required to live on site in either the primary unit or the accessory unit. if it's in a single family zoning district. There would be allowances for absences and then also a further exception process with a minor use permit with the zoning administrator. |
| 00:39:44.15 | Unknown | And then the standards for existing ADUs with an amnesty permit, similar to the new ADUs, there would only be one allowed per parcel, only in single family, two family, and multi-family zoning districts, and it needs to have a separate entrance, kitchen, and bathroom. |
| 00:40:03.07 | Unknown | The property owner will also be required to show that the unit was established prior to January 1, 2012, And this is to ensure that a unit was not created during this time right now where we're developing this ordinance in order to comply with the amnesty provisions to get around complying with the new second unit provisions because they are more strict. So the property owner would have to show at least two forms of documentation, and those are specified in the ordinance. The property owner also will have to have a safety inspection from the fire and building divisions. for health and safety reasons. And if corrections are needed, the property owner would have to apply for a building permit to remedy those issues. |
| 00:40:52.49 | Unknown | Similar to the new units, the property owner would need to stay and live in either the primary unit or the accessory unit. in single-family zoning districts. In terms of parking, there would be no parking required for an amnesty unpermitted unit. And the rationale behind that from both the working group and the planning commission is that the parking situation in the neighborhood already exists. And the granting of the amnesty permit is anticipated to have a neutral effect on that parking situation. The group and the Commission thought that by not requiring parking, we would get more folks in to get that amnesty permit secured. |
| 00:41:41.55 | Unknown | There would be no minimum and maximum size for the unit as the unit already exists. For floor area, there would be a 500-square-foot waiver from floor area allowed for the unit. Anything above that would be counted as floor area for future development of the property. |
| 00:42:02.61 | Unknown | And thank you. |
| 00:42:07.26 | Unknown | For building coverage and impervious surfaces, they would be documented by the staff, but not counted in determining if the unit is eligible for amnesty. They would be counted for future development of the property, however. Similarly, setbacks would be documented, but not counted if the unit's eligible for amnesty. |
| 00:42:31.45 | Unknown | If the unit is converted in the future back into the main residence, so the kitchen's removed, the separate access is removed, or the bathroom facility is removed, the property owner would have to demonstrate compliance of the property with the zoning standards and recredit any floor area waiver granted back onto the property. The amnesty permit would be valid until the end of March of 2014, which coincides with this current housing element cycle. And there's a provision that would allow the City Council to extend that amnesty period by resolution. After the amnesty period ends, all of the unpermitted ADUs that did not secure a permit would be subject to code enforcement. |
| 00:43:21.11 | Unknown | So the steps tonight, we've already gone through the Planning Commission hearings. We're doing the first reading this evening with the council. there would be a second reading on November 13th, and if at that time the ordinance is adopted, the regulations would become effective on December 13th. After that, we would send out a postcard to all property owners and residential zoning districts, letting them know of the new regulations. and then also publish a brochure to be handed out that go through the steps. So tonight we're recommending that the council conduct a public hearing and continue the second reading to your next meeting on November 13th. And that concludes our staff report. And we're available for questions. |
| 00:44:15.04 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, so one question I had was with regards to the no parking required for the existing ADUs, and I was just concerned about that requirement, and I was wondering if you had more context beyond the planning commission minutes we were provided and the staff report. |
| 00:44:41.97 | Unknown | So that was definitely something that was talked about a lot during the working group meetings and the planning commission hearings as well. The thought behind it was that the parking situation in the neighborhoods where there are existing ADUs that don't provide parking, that exists today. So... granting the permit or not granting the permit, it's not going to change that situation. And then the second thought was by not requiring parking, it would incentivize people to come in and actually get the permit, whereas if parking was required and they couldn't provide it, they're not going to come in for that permit. |
| 00:45:21.97 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So I have a follow-up question to that, which is some of the existing ADUs that might be coming in for amnesty might have off-street parking, you know, already allocated to that. Does this indicate that they could actually, you know, lose that parking space for the amnesty because it says no on-site parking required. |
| 00:45:45.73 | Unknown | The property owner wouldn't have to demonstrate that they have parking. That's the requirement. So on the checklist, it would say, if, So no parking is required, so the planner wouldn't have to verify if there's parking on site or not for that unit. |
| 00:45:58.91 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So in other words, if I were an owner of a unit that I was seeking amnesty for, and I had on-site parking space allocated for the amnesty unit, then I could actually get, potentially get my unit approved and then use that parking space for something else if I wanted to. |
| 00:46:20.30 | Unknown | That's theoretical. |
| 00:46:22.11 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, thank you. |
| 00:46:26.67 | Councilmember Winer | Can you give us some insight as to what's required by state law of these bonuses and or waivers and what is not? Because there's some intent here that I'm not quite sure where it's coming from. |
| 00:46:46.99 | Unknown | to be specific social. |
| 00:46:48.61 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, no, I mean, you know, |
| 00:46:50.39 | Unknown | It's... |
| 00:46:51.84 | Councilmember Winer | I understand the ministerial review is required by state law. But of all the other things, is there any, what are the main functions that are sort of requirements of the state law versus? basically gutting the zoning ordinance to allow these units |
| 00:47:05.43 | Unknown | So I would go back to state law, the copy we provided in your packet on It's C3C1, detachment 3C. And basically what it says is that you can adopt an ordinance. to regulate the permitting of second units. If you don't do that, then you have to abide by the state standards that are listed here. So what the ADU Working Group did was take those state standards and build off of them. They used them as guidelines. They also used other jurisdictions in Marin County existing regulations as guidelines as well. |
| 00:47:53.47 | Councilmember Winer | So the exhibit that was even though it's not labeled, the one that says detailed description of standards for new and existing ADUs, that's the state law version? Or which attachment? |
| 00:48:07.55 | Unknown | second 3C. |
| 00:48:11.71 | Councilmember Winer | Let me see. |
| 00:48:13.87 | Mayor Kelly | The charge rate number, unfortunately. |
| 00:48:15.78 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, we have different numbering. But anyway, so is there requirements for incentivizing the |
| 00:48:15.80 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:48:27.16 | Councilmember Winer | waivers for you know developable floor area and all the other things that you have here as well as the I think the amnesty is a whole different set of issues. That's probably not a state law question. But because it's sort of The problem with reading through this in general terms is that it's trying to foresee all the potential outcomes and then work backwards from there, but at the same time, It essentially eliminates the review impacts and changes the character of what can be developed, particularly in, certainly in single family areas. So my concern is you're essentially waiving a lot of the review that exists at this level because someone designated something And they don't have to make it affordable. They can make it moderate, which is I think at some level close to market, right? Um, It's sort of a way of of getting a bonus on my property of all the above, including ignoring setbacks down to three feet. So I'm trying to figure out what here is Thank you. sort of more goal-driven and what here is more removing the obstacles to putting them in place. Now there's obstacles and there's, well, let's incentivize the hell out of it to make this take place. And so that's where I'm trying to figure out because As I look at this, I see basically, and especially in multifamily, which why can't you just call this another unit in multifamily? Why do you have to assess it? It's just a way around the requirements of another unit in multifamily, Why wouldn't I? I wouldn't go that route. I would go this route because I can add square footage, I can ignore coverage, I can ignore pervious services, I can ignore all these things if I call it an additional dwelling unit. So maybe I'm not reading it right, But if I'm already in R3, or R2.6 or whatever it is. Why would I? go that route in making another unit when I could just label it this. I don't have to provide half the requirements that the zoning ordinance requires. It's one thing if it's policy, it's another thing if it's sort of what I'm a little worried this is going to have far-reaching implications beyond creating affordable housing because the policing that's going to have to go behind this, there is nothing in this legislation that says how are you going to determine after they won when the guy comes in for his permits, that you're meeting these requirements on low, moderate. You know, there's nothing that speaks to that. And that is going to be a nightmare to police. Do we have to? |
| 00:51:07.23 | Unknown | So. Thank you. |
| 00:51:07.97 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:51:07.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:08.04 | Councilmember Winer | Well, you have to if you want to make sure someone's just not building it and living in it. |
| 00:51:08.39 | Unknown | Well, |
| 00:51:13.04 | Councilmember Winer | You know? after the fact, right? You have to submit things every year with a lease and stuff like that on an ongoing basis for 10, 20 years to say that it's... I mean, otherwise there's no way to police. It turns into the nightmare of South of Market, where you have these units being occupied by a boat market or else. |
| 00:51:25.39 | Unknown | Thank you. I'm sorry. |
| 00:51:28.26 | Mayor Kelly | here. |
| 00:51:33.79 | Mayor Kelly | Lily, Jeremy, is that true? |
| 00:51:37.69 | Unknown | Well, with regards to the affordability component, that would only be required. So all of these units are allowed to be rented at market rate. There's no restriction that would require them to be affordable. That comes in if the property owner wants an exception from the size. So if they want the unit to be a little bit bigger, they can apply for a conditional use permit. One of the conditions would be that the property owner has to de-restrict for affordability. That's the only instance in the ordinance where affordability comes in. |
| 00:51:47.75 | Clerk | Thank you. |
| 00:51:48.02 | Andrew Davidson | that would require |
| 00:52:06.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:52:06.95 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:52:12.17 | Mayor Kelly | Right. There is no obligation to make any of these affordable, unless they want some extra goodies, right? |
| 00:52:17.75 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:52:21.36 | Mary Wagner | In the draft regulations, right? In the draft regulations. That's correct, but there's some function of, by virtue of its size, it becomes affordable under moderate or |
| 00:52:22.38 | Vicki Nichols | In the draft regulations, right? In the draft regulations. |
| 00:52:34.96 | Mary Wagner | other automatically? No, not automatically. There's not the requirement, but it's a function of the size of the unit and what you can rent it for. |
| 00:52:40.33 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:52:43.64 | Mary Wagner | which is what |
| 00:52:44.01 | Mayor Kelly | But day one, if we approve 500 people come in and say, here's an affordable unit, Excuse me. 500 people come in and say, I'm going to read you. Okay? And we go through the checklist, and they meet the basic checklist without asking for extra things. They meet the basic checklist. |
| 00:52:53.14 | Unknown | 700 people come in and say, |
| 00:52:53.97 | Andrew Davidson | I'll send her to you. |
| 00:52:55.08 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay. |
| 00:53:04.19 | Mayor Kelly | We can issue them a permit. They can turn right around, put an ad on Craigslist or in the newspaper, and rent it at full market value, whatever that value is. $500 a month, $1,000 a month, $1,500 a month, whatever. And there is no further requirement for them to do anything else from that point on. If they ask for, let me just finish. If they ask for extras, they come in and they ask for an extra. |
| 00:53:15.68 | Unknown | And there is. |
| 00:53:25.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:25.54 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 00:53:25.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:25.67 | Mayor Kelly | I'm not sure. |
| 00:53:25.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:25.74 | Mayor Kelly | because of size or this or one thing or another, then we can impose, or they can choose to impose on themselves, is a better way to say it, some of these requirements that would make the unit become an affordable unit and then it would be locked into affordability for as long as it existed. Is that a correct statement I just made? Thank you. |
| 00:53:45.55 | Mary Wagner | THE END OF |
| 00:53:45.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:45.72 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:53:45.82 | Unknown | That's correct. In particular, the size though. The affordability restriction is related to the size. And the thought was, as the unit gets bigger, it becomes less affordable. |
| 00:53:45.89 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 00:53:55.00 | Unknown | with me. |
| 00:53:55.29 | Unknown | Thank you. you |
| 00:53:55.69 | Christina Roark | Thank you. |
| 00:53:55.80 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:53:55.83 | Christina Roark | Thank you. |
| 00:53:55.86 | Unknown | I haven't had a chance. |
| 00:53:55.95 | Christina Roark | Mr. Mayor. |
| 00:53:56.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:56.88 | Councilmember Winer | So then what's the fear? So then he asked to follow up on this question. So then when is it only when it's |
| 00:53:57.26 | Unknown | for being here. |
| 00:53:57.57 | Unknown | Oh, boy. |
| 00:53:57.80 | Christina Roark | So, |
| 00:53:58.12 | Unknown | So let me ask a follow-up on this question. |
| 00:54:05.97 | Councilmember Winer | only when it's non-market rent, then I can ignore some of the, you know, you had said that you can come in and ask for a I read this and I read it again and maybe I'm losing my ability to read this stuff. THE END OF THE Tell me the scenario where Is this a way around a planning commission? Can you essentially build market rate housing with more Thank you. Um, more coverage or additional coverage, more coverage than the heightened limits allow. So it's 80%. Because here you're sort of, without going through the process that if someone called it a multi-unit building, they would have to go through. |
| 00:54:53.15 | Unknown | No. Almost all, I have to look at it very briefly, but my reflection is that all of the requirements for new ADUs require them to comply with the existing development standards in terms of height, building coverage, floor area, impervious surfaces, and setbacks. If they would like an exception, and a specific exception, it's specific in the ordinance as far as how much of an exception they can request, they would have to request that of the Planning Commission through a conditional use permit. So the Planning Commission would review it. |
| 00:55:18.97 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:55:19.14 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 00:55:25.01 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:55:25.03 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:55:25.25 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. So... but it says on the checklist, this is amnesty, and that's amnesty. There's two of these. Yeah, I know. There's three separate scenarios here. |
| 00:55:34.94 | Mary Wagner | you |
| 00:55:35.00 | Unknown | There's two... |
| 00:55:35.81 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 00:55:37.84 | Unknown | I'm sorry. The amnesty units are a different animal. |
| 00:55:42.41 | Councilmember Winer | Right. I'll get to those. |
| 00:55:51.49 | Councilmember Winer | Okay, so for coverage and FAR and setbacks, they have to conform to the setback regulations or the dwelling unit, building coverage, so it's all added together in the size of the envelope of the building. That's correct. You have to, so, but in terms of, hitting the maximum or some subset of the maximum that would normally require planning commission review, would that still be applicable here? |
| 00:56:23.00 | Unknown | If they go over the maximum and they- |
| 00:56:25.09 | Councilmember Winer | Now if they go above 80% of FAR coverage, or I forget what the 75% of it is impervious, or whatever it is, Does that still go to the Planning Commission if someone came in and said, I'm building an accessory unit? and they are under the maximum, would they be able to, for that 20% play? |
| 00:56:49.56 | Unknown | The heightened design review isn't a trigger for design review with the Planning Commission. It's, if you get to the Planning Commission level, if you trigger a design review permit with the Planning Commission and you're within that 80%, area, then the Planning Commission has to make certain findings. |
| 00:57:05.59 | Unknown | then Right. |
| 00:57:08.80 | Unknown | If you apply for, let's say we have a project that just requires a zoning permit, an over-the-counter staff level review permit. and let's say they're adding three square feet onto the property and it doesn't trigger any design review with the Planning Commission, we're required to put on the notice when we approve it that heightened, that the project was within the 80 to 100% of the development standards, but it's not required to go through those design review findings. So it wouldn't be different than other projects today. |
| 00:57:33.52 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:57:33.53 | Councilmember Winer | Right. Right. |
| 00:57:40.06 | Councilmember Winer | Right, so for market rate housing here, if it meets under the maximums. I, as the neighbor, will never know that you approve this, right? Because it goes to the ministerial role, right? As long as it meets these criteria and their ability to ever police this after the fact would be somewhat limited, But. So to me that What are we trying to accomplish with this? Is it to build market-rate housing, or is it to build affordable housing? If it's affordable housing, it should have no reference point to market-rate housing. Right? Unless that's a state requirement. And so I don't care if you meet the checklist or you don't, It's... of a call unless I'm again losing my mind, which is debatable at best. that were trying to incentivize market rate housing. Bye. |
| 00:58:39.36 | Mayor Kelly | We're trying to incentivize market, great housing down to two or three levels plus affordable housing. |
| 00:58:44.54 | Councilmember Winer | No, no, no. My memory of the housing element is we don't have to incentivize. Our issues are not incentivized market rate housing. It's incentivizing lower Thank you. |
| 00:58:55.68 | Mayor Kelly | Oh, |
| 00:58:55.90 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:58:56.03 | Mayor Kelly | We're going to meet it in all categories, don't we? |
| 00:58:56.10 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 00:58:58.01 | Mary Wagner | But again, the size of the unit itself drives the rent that you can achieve for it. at the size of the units that are approved ministerially limited. And the concept is, that the size of the unit itself can drive its affordability. If you want to go over the size that's set forth, for a ministerial approval. and you want to get some, you have to, in order to accomplish that or to get that bonus or incentive we're asking for guarantees of affordability. Right. Because the size of the unit, it's important to keep in mind that the size of the unit itself has a market limit on its rent. and those rents aren't going to be rents for a 2,000 square foot home. they're going to be rents for this size unit. |
| 00:59:46.36 | Councilmember Winer | But your ability to ever know. Right, I mean we still have no credible mechanism for determining what rates are other than Craigslist. |
| 00:59:56.78 | Mary Wagner | Well, the census, I mean, that's where we drive the information from last year's mailman. |
| 00:59:58.83 | Councilmember Winer | No, but on an ongoing basis. That's once every 10 years, right? So... |
| 01:00:03.26 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:00:03.28 | Mayor Kelly | Right. |
| 01:00:03.30 | Councilmember Winer | I'm sorry. |
| 01:00:03.42 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:00:03.55 | Councilmember Winer | THESE. |
| 01:00:03.69 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. We're not in that business, though. Right, so why are we... |
| 01:00:06.08 | Councilmember Winer | Right, so why are we waiving Why are we even creating a smoother process for market rate housing? I don't quite get that. |
| 01:00:15.62 | Mary Wagner | I love it. |
| 01:00:16.02 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. I just I don't get what the issue, it seems like we don't really have a problem with market |
| 01:00:21.51 | Mayor Kelly | We have demonstrated to the state in all the categories that we've talked about that we will provide housing and we will incentivize certain housing if you care to take advantage of the incentive, |
| 01:00:33.76 | Councilmember Winer | Right, but I don't think anything they said in their commentary back to us is like, you're not properly incentivizing market rate housing. |
| 01:00:39.21 | Mayor Kelly | They did not say that. They did not say anything about it. They were perfectly happy with the way we categorized it, as far as I know. Is that correct, Jeremy? |
| 01:00:46.30 | Unknown | I'm sorry I missed the question. Well, one of the things we're trying to comply with state law that was passed in 2003 that requires... And I'm fine with that. So that's my question was from the very beginning. But the state law said we needed to provide housing. It provided a maximum size. If the city did not have standards, |
| 01:00:46.77 | Mayor Kelly | Right, just like that. Well, one of the things |
| 01:00:52.78 | Councilmember Winer | And I'm fine. with that. So that's my question was at the very beginning. |
| 01:01:02.75 | Unknown | the maximum size that the state standards allow is 1,200 square feet. We are having our standards much lower than that, significantly lower than that. So we are driving the cost down. Uh, of the market rate housing so it becomes more affordable. There's not a contradiction necessarily between market rate housing and affordable housing. Market rate housing can very well meet affordability limits. And we believe that a lot of these units, because as Mary said, their footprint is so small or their floor area is so small that it will be affordable. |
| 01:01:35.42 | Mayor Kelly | So a 250 square foot unit is not going to be able to command $2,000 a month. it's going to command something considerably lower. probably at $500 to $750 a month maximum, and that gets us into the low categories. Lower categories. Thank you. . |
| 01:01:51.79 | Councilmember Winer | But there's no, you know, I think we're, and I'm not trying to criticize anyone that worked on this, there's your ability to know that. |
| 01:02:02.18 | Mayor Kelly | Why do you need to know it? You provide it. |
| 01:02:03.45 | Councilmember Winer | because you might. because |
| 01:02:05.42 | Mayor Kelly | The market drives it. |
| 01:02:07.09 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, but what a studio rents for today and what it rents for two years from now can be completely different. But we don't, yeah. And if you're not causing someone to say, you know what, I'm going to guarantee that |
| 01:02:14.92 | Mayor Kelly | We don't. |
| 01:02:15.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:02:20.97 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:02:21.00 | Councilmember Winer | Why would I ever give you a way around our zoning ordinance if you're not telling me you're going to give me something back for the community, which is, |
| 01:02:21.13 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:02:28.12 | Mayor Kelly | and he was like, |
| 01:02:29.39 | Councilmember Winer | that the rents here will allow people to live here in more affordable rents. |
| 01:02:32.44 | Mayor Kelly | we're not really giving people away around our zoning notices. That's not I don't think that's an accurate statement. What we're doing is providing ways for people to have a second unit in their home. that could be occupied by another person. |
| 01:02:46.77 | Councilmember Winer | Right. |
| 01:02:47.16 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. and they can have that second unit under certain guidelines and under certain limits. And if they go over those limits, then all sorts of impositions begin to take effect. And it requires a CU and it's going to end up the Planning Commission and all that sort of thing. But underneath those limits, I could go in my house right now. I have extra FAR in my house. |
| 01:03:08.55 | Councilmember Winer | You don't have to tell us your gory details. |
| 01:03:08.59 | Mayor Kelly | You don't have to tell us here. I don't know where to do it. But I could build 300 or 400 or whatever the number is, 300 feet, I think. And I don't have to notify my neighbors I'm building. All I do is come down and get a building permit from you and tack the building permit up on my wall. Now, that in and of itself is a notice. And that would be the same. You'd still have to get a building permit at an ADU situation. You'd still have to tack it up on your wall. So there is notice to the community. Excuse me. I'm speaking right now. And so therefore, nothing in this gives anybody any advantage or disadvantage |
| 01:03:23.99 | Unknown | who's that |
| 01:03:30.73 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:03:31.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:44.50 | Mayor Kelly | but it does provide for the ability to take what is now not approved overall in the city because we're completely denying the ADAs in the city right now, IDUs in the city right now, zero. This allows ADUs to be built under a certain set of circumstances, and it allows a little bit of a bonus if you want to build One that, but that bonus is going to drive a whole bunch of restrictions that you may or may not like. The state's happy with that because they think, well, some people will go for the bonus, some But I think overall the state will say that the size of the unit, even though it's Sausalito, is going to dictate what the rent will be. You can't get $3,000 a month for a 500-square-foot apartment. Maybe in Beverly Hills you can't, but you can't here. And in the future, that should track pretty much with the marketability for the rent. |
| 01:04:39.64 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, but if you just read the purpose of this state, the AB 1866, the legislature fines and declares that second units are a valuable form of housing in California. |
| 01:04:46.26 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:04:46.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:51.89 | Councilmember Winer | Second units provide housing for family members, students, the elderly, and in-home health care providers, disabled mothers at below market prices within existing neighborhoods. So where does market rate housing fit into that? I don't see it. I have not seen SOSLITO have a problem creating market rate housing. In fact, so the only problem it has is creating |
| 01:05:05.26 | Unknown | Well, |
| 01:05:13.34 | Mayor Kelly | Well, I... |
| 01:05:14.05 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:05:17.24 | Councilmember Winer | is creating rental units, right? So new rental units. |
| 01:05:19.00 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:05:19.03 | Mayor Kelly | So new rental units. There is no state rent control. Right. |
| 01:05:25.04 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. Right. Thank you. |
| 01:05:25.34 | Mayor Kelly | There's no state rent control. The state in its attempt to provide adequate housing, which as I remember at some point in time, the state of California needed to build 250,000 housing units a year in order to satisfy population growth. I don't know if that's changed or not. It's an old number. But, Under that scenario, the state's trying to say, okay, but we need different kinds of housing. So an ADU is distinctly different than a regular apartment building. Nobody's going to build a regular apartment building that has ADU-style units. They simply can't get enough rent for them. They need that bigger square footage to be able to spread the lower cost of the bigger square footage in order to get the rent they need to get to pay for the deal. So what we're providing is we're meeting the state standard by providing small units in houses. that simply won't rent for the same thing that something at one of the more expensive apartment complexes here will offer. |
| 01:06:22.18 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:06:24.49 | Mayor Kelly | Like it or not, that meets the state's requirement and the state's perfectly happy with that. |
| 01:06:24.66 | Andrew Davidson | like it or not, that meets their |
| 01:06:30.09 | Mayor Kelly | Thank God we don't have to monitor it, because that would be an enormous administrative nightmare. |
| 01:06:36.03 | Councilmember Winer | But that's the problem, right? So my guess would be of the units we had Mike Blatt build that were second units, none of them are occupied by anyone. |
| 01:06:42.78 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:06:46.36 | Councilmember Winer | And I tried to drive around so we could look at them. And those are the size. Because the people who could afford the $2 million house said, you know what, that thing over the garage, |
| 01:06:47.89 | Unknown | we can look at them. |
| 01:06:57.65 | Unknown | Well, okay. |
| 01:06:58.26 | Councilmember Winer | So, |
| 01:06:58.88 | Mayor Kelly | Now we're not going after Michael Blathouses. We're going after something different. |
| 01:06:58.90 | Councilmember Winer | But we're not going after money. And he isn't living in them, so he's told that to somebody else. It's somebody else's problem. |
| 01:07:05.11 | Mayor Kelly | Right. Thank you. |
| 01:07:06.83 | Councilmember Winer | So my question here is, again, where are we... trying to go, if we're trying to go to affordable housing, then we have this, it should just deal with affordable housing, whether it's amnesty for existing units or not. |
| 01:07:21.34 | Mayor Kelly | existing. We're simply trying to meet the state standards. |
| 01:07:24.87 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, but I don't think, in my memory, correct me if I'm wrong, that there was a huge, there wasn't a lot needed to be done to accommodate market rate housing construction in the housing element. Maybe I'm reading that wrong. |
| 01:07:35.99 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | new. |
| 01:07:37.54 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:07:37.57 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. Mr. Mayor, if I can comment since everyone else is. We were 200, my recollection is we were 288% over our moderate housing allocation for our arena. |
| 01:07:51.65 | Mayor Kelly | Isn't that correct? That issue is a definition. |
| 01:07:51.66 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Isn't that correct? And so, well, no, it's important, and it goes to Council Member Leone's comment and question regarding, aren't we, |
| 01:07:59.24 | Councilmember Winer | aren't we? How do you pronounce my name? Jeez, come on. |
| 01:08:03.61 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Sorry. Regarding Councilmember Leon's comment regarding the... Thank you. |
| 01:08:08.96 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:08:09.03 | Clerk | Thank you. |
| 01:08:10.50 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Regarding moderate housing, is that we were 288% over that allocation. So the goal of the ADU program was to incentivize affordable housing. |
| 01:08:26.68 | Unknown | In the housing element itself, we promised that we would deliver 12 new ADUs and 12 amnesty ADUs by March 2014. And those weren't all just put in the low-income bucket. They were spread out throughout all the income categories. We did put in the housing element different types of incentives that we would consider in order to incentivize the development of those units by that time period. |
| 01:08:44.01 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 01:08:44.40 | Andrew Davidson | hours. |
| 01:09:00.16 | Unknown | including reductions in allowances for additional height or allowances for additional building coverage, possible no parking standards, all those things are identified in the housing |
| 01:09:14.54 | Councilmember Winer | Right, but again, it's like, okay, if you don't care if it's, if we didn't designate these as affordable, is that what you're kind of saying? The ADUs, the 12 ADUs and the Amnesty ADUs are not designated of any |
| 01:09:15.94 | Unknown | What would you change? |
| 01:09:17.29 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:09:28.97 | Councilmember Winer | Correct. |
| 01:09:29.10 | Unknown | That's correct. |
| 01:09:30.13 | Councilmember Winer | Correct. Right? Why do we need to encourage, if that's the true case, why do we need to encourage these |
| 01:09:30.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:36.85 | Councilmember Winer | market rate housing. See, the purpose. |
| 01:09:39.68 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, may I ask a question or question? |
| 01:09:41.50 | Councilmember Winer | And a question or question. |
| 01:09:42.79 | Mary Wagner | to be able to get a |
| 01:09:42.84 | Councilmember Winer | take a different... Because these are small units. If you have small units, then you want them to be affordable. If they're affordable... |
| 01:09:42.85 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 01:09:45.01 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:09:45.03 | Mary Wagner | Bye. |
| 01:09:45.05 | Unknown | for the university. |
| 01:09:46.21 | Mayor Kelly | unit. |
| 01:09:46.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:46.82 | Mary Wagner | that you want to be a |
| 01:09:47.93 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:09:48.93 | Mary Wagner | But I think you have to go back to the statutes that require a city to adopt regulations for ministerial approvals of accessory dwelling. Separate it from the housing element for a second. go back to 2003. when that statute came out. Now, that statute did not eliminate the ability of a city to adopt findings to say that it wasn't feasible. We have those findings on our books. but there's been discussion since I've been here. of bringing the city Council and ADU ordinance. to comply with state law. in order to become more in compliance with it and to recognize the fact that ADUs do exist in Sausalito. It's become merged Currently, with the housing element because one of the programs of the housing element calls for the city to go ahead and take that step. So as an implementation of the housing element, |
| 01:10:46.35 | Andrew Davidson | Thanks. |
| 01:10:48.89 | Mary Wagner | we agreed and told the state we would bring forward an ADE ordinance to the council within a certain period of time. So I look at it from the perspective of complying with the state statutes. And that. that also then became a program or goal of the housing element to accomplish that. |
| 01:11:06.84 | Unknown | Thank you. two separate issues. |
| 01:11:07.84 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. So there's the fulfillment of the state's mandates and desires for the creation of second units or accessory dwelling units in the statutes. And we can go back and look at the purpose statements there. and what the state was trying to create through these units, and then it's being implemented or it's an implementation step or follow-up step of the housing element. |
| 01:11:26.70 | Mayor Kelly | implementation step. Thank you. |
| 01:11:30.30 | Mayor Kelly | He said, |
| 01:11:30.52 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:11:30.55 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:11:31.34 | Councilmember Winer | No, I still don't see the fact that you, what the purpose of this is you're eliminating, you're eliminating... |
| 01:11:32.69 | Mayor Kelly | saying the |
| 01:11:33.98 | Jose Miguel Gil | I'm not going to get back. |
| 01:11:40.84 | Councilmember Winer | Uh... arbitrary, excessive, or burdensome requirements. Right? Arbitrary obviously makes no sense. Whatever those may be, you should remove them. Excessive or burdensome. We are. |
| 01:11:54.51 | Andrew Davidson | We are. |
| 01:11:55.91 | Councilmember Winer | but what is excessive or burdensome about right now that is creating market rate, that's discouraging market rate housing, that you need to address through this. None. Right. |
| 01:12:03.78 | Mayor Kelly | that you need to work. None. Because if you focus on ADUs right now, we don't allow ADUs at all. But I understand that. |
| 01:12:11.69 | Councilmember Winer | But I understand that, and when you adopt this, you will allow them. Yes, we will allow them. And the question is, what do you allow them for? |
| 01:12:14.27 | Mayor Kelly | Yes, we will. |
| 01:12:17.29 | Councilmember Winer | Do you allow them for market rate housing? Or do you create an ordinance that incentivize affordable housing? |
| 01:12:19.15 | Mayor Kelly | Or do you allow... |
| 01:12:23.27 | Mayor Kelly | This ordinance, it can do both. |
| 01:12:24.62 | Councilmember Winer | It doesn't say you have to drop this to create a market rate housing. |
| 01:12:29.02 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. It doesn't say you can't. Right. So my point of view is. |
| 01:12:30.35 | Councilmember Winer | Right. So my point of view is why do we need to incentivize market rate housing? |
| 01:12:35.13 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. because we don't have any housing being built here, period. Okay? Zero. None. Count it. Zero. None. Big houses. That's all we've got being built here. No apartments have been built here since I've been here. No units under 1,000 square feet have been built since I've been here. |
| 01:12:47.03 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. No units under 1,000 square feet have been good since I've been here. Right. And it's not going to encourage people to build rental housing. That's not true. It's going to encourage nanny housing, which they will use or not use, and it may not be affordable. |
| 01:12:52.18 | Mayor Kelly | That's not the truth. they will use or not use. But you know what? It's complying with the state law. It's what we've got to do to have a housing element. It's what we've got to do just to promote the law. No, no, no. |
| 01:13:06.13 | Councilmember Winer | No, no, no. See, that's where I think we're diverging, and yet I've seen anybody tell me where I am. |
| 01:13:10.05 | Mayor Kelly | to anybody tell me where I'm involved. What do you do then? What do you want to do then? |
| 01:13:15.51 | Councilmember Winer | is that you adopt this. |
| 01:13:16.17 | Mayor Kelly | I'm asking him. |
| 01:13:17.69 | Councilmember Winer | Well, we're sort of out of the weird discussion. |
| 01:13:19.88 | Mayor Kelly | Well, but in order to get at the question here of whether this is an ordinance that we should have done. |
| 01:13:24.78 | Councilmember Winer | Well, it gets back to what, you know, it's funny. My first meeting on the Planning Commission 12 years ago, or more, I think. 14 years ago. uh, I forget the guy's name, but he was the planning director in Fairfax at a later date, Jim. something. maybe it was his second or third, but I got in a bit of a discussion with him about What is the character of Sausalito? And his argument was that it was much like San Francisco. And my argument was, no, it's somewhere between San Francisco and the rest of Marin, where you have, it's not suburban and it's not urban. And so that's why once we got, after I got kicked off the Planning Commission for proposing the first public safety building, the We rewrote this in a way that said, no, it's somewhere in between. And with the in-between, when you start getting to more of an urban character where you ignore setbacks, you make them three feet. You and I and Linda live in where you can have three feet. I don't know if it's true where you are, but that one might be. Yeah, you might be. Pine Street is. And it is a different life, right? So if you're asking someone who has a single family lot, |
| 01:14:30.54 | Councilmember Weiner | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:14:30.71 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 01:14:31.59 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:14:31.60 | Councilmember Weiner | cut. |
| 01:14:31.82 | Unknown | And it is a different Yeah. |
| 01:14:34.76 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:14:39.55 | Councilmember Winer | that, okay, someone can do that for market rate housing. They never have to rent it. They can just build it. They never have to rent it. |
| 01:14:48.44 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:14:48.51 | Councilmember Winer | Then I've just given you a way around local review. Okay. Yeah. For the accomplishment of what? Market rate housing? I don't think there is anything in this |
| 01:14:48.53 | Unknown | Then I |
| 01:14:52.66 | Unknown | Okay. for the |
| 01:15:00.58 | Mayor Kelly | Oh. |
| 01:15:00.80 | Councilmember Winer | in our housing element where we're going to stumble on building market housing. |
| 01:15:00.88 | Mayor Kelly | in our building market housing. You have to pass that or you don't get an element. |
| 01:15:06.72 | Councilmember Winer | You pass a second dwelling unit statute that incentivizes an outcome that is beneficial for the community. |
| 01:15:12.54 | Mayor Kelly | You've got to match. law. |
| 01:15:14.40 | Councilmember Winer | No, you don't. I have yet to hear that you have to accommodate market rate housing for second-to-loading units. You're off base. |
| 01:15:22.95 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have a question, Mr. Mayor. Another question? Lily, so regarding the 500 square foot waiver, which I'm concerned about as well, because we are talking about over-the-counter approval, as a comparison to, you know, other ADU policies in Marin, have other cities waived 500 square feet? Or has it been 500 square feet or less or more? I'm just curious. |
| 01:15:25.57 | Councilmember Winer | Another question. |
| 01:15:25.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:25.99 | Unknown | . |
| 01:15:26.06 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:15:56.16 | Unknown | Sure. So where that came from was actually Mill Valley's regulations, and Mill Valley allows a 500-square-foot waiver for ADUs. |
| 01:16:04.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | thing. Thank you. What about a city with higher density? Because Saucyut is higher density than Mill Valley. So if we were to look at, you know, like perhaps like what Belvedere's ADU policy is. |
| 01:16:18.64 | Unknown | We found the waiver only in Mill Valley for Marin County jurisdiction. |
| 01:16:22.40 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, so in other words, of all the cities in Marin County, only one city had the 500-square-foot waiver. That's correct. So what was the rationale then to join just Mill Valley? If all the other cities did not have this 500-square-foot waiver, why did... |
| 01:16:22.42 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:16:43.38 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | What was the rationale? Because it seems very liberal. you know, like a lot of square feet to just wave. both for amnesty and the new ADUs. I'm sorry, and it speaks to the earlier point about the moderate income health. |
| 01:16:54.57 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:17:01.05 | Unknown | The waiver would be just for the amnesty units. The new units would have to comply with floor area ratios. The thought process behind it would be that the unit again, already exists on the lot, and it was constructed illegally, and perhaps exceeds the four area ratio allowed on the lot. The thought was giving a waiver of up to 500 square feet might allow someone to come in and legally apply for that permit and gain an amnesty permit. |
| 01:17:31.37 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, thank you. In other words, it was established because Saucido is unique in that all the other cities in Marin already have ADU, policies and have had them for a while whereas we're new And so the idea was that we might have ADUs that we would like to count, but we wouldn't be able to because if they exceed that. |
| 01:17:52.06 | Unknown | because if they exceed that... Think about it, think about the situation. A lot of the ordinances we were looking at were for new units. We weren't looking at amnesty, we may have looked at a couple amnesty ordinances, but They had long passed, and so they weren't available for us to look at because cities had already gone through that amnesty process long ago in Marin County. |
| 01:18:24.06 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:18:24.12 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry. |
| 01:18:26.70 | Unknown | Mr. May I just make one clarification? Just want to make sure I heard a comment that the um, X. that we would be bypassing the local review process. And so if someone wanted to ask for an exception, they would have to ask that over the Planning Commission. So that would be a notice public hearing in front of the Planning Commission. |
| 01:18:38.43 | Andrew Davidson | and we're not. |
| 01:18:47.14 | Unknown | They would have to comply with all the development standards. If they do that, then they can go through the ministerial review. If they asked for an exception, it would go to the Planning Commission at a public hearing. Thank you. |
| 01:18:56.08 | Mayor Kelly | introduction. |
| 01:18:56.83 | Councilmember Winer | You can, unless, again, if I'm reading this correctly, I can go up to 100%. and not go through that. |
| 01:19:04.34 | Mayor Kelly | No. not reading it correctly. |
| 01:19:10.46 | Mary Wagner | Tighten design review with what you're doing. the trigger between design review |
| 01:19:12.08 | Mayor Kelly | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:19:14.53 | Unknown | But heightened design review only applies to a design review permit. Right. Well, if you're a construction |
| 01:19:18.11 | Councilmember Winer | Right. Well, if you're constructing something, why wouldn't you? Not the amnesty, but if I'm going to flip back through your slides. How can you, I mean, just in common sense, how can we go back to the pictures of your different types of detached, detached. |
| 01:19:21.85 | Unknown | Not the end. |
| 01:19:33.78 | Councilmember Winer | neither one of the top two trigger any sort of design review. Tell me then. If I live next door, Just common sense wise, how could neither one of those |
| 01:19:45.09 | Unknown | So today there's actually a regulation that the criteria for designer view is over 300 square feet of an addition. Someone can build up to 300 square feet, so we're looking at the attached view there. |
| 01:19:53.29 | Councilmember Winer | Right. |
| 01:19:56.61 | Councilmember Winer | Right. Right. So, but in your detached ADU here, that parking garage, that is not, that, if it's a 400 feet, can be, taken off because you're allowed to do that. And if I get 300 feet above it, That's also, you're also saying I don't have to |
| 01:20:11.89 | Unknown | No. |
| 01:20:12.32 | Councilmember Winer | conclude that. I mean, so tell me, you know, What was it last time? that you're giving me a bonus for 300 feet of |
| 01:20:22.06 | Mayor Kelly | No, you get 300 feet no matter where you are right now if you have the FAR. If I have 1,000 feet of FAR on my property and I decide to build 300 square feet or less, I do not have to go to design review. If I decide to build 400 square feet on my 1,000 allotment, I have to go to design review for the report. Is that true today? And that continues to be true here? In general terms, unless you're |
| 01:20:38.40 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:20:38.45 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:20:38.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:38.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:38.75 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:20:41.74 | Unknown | In general terms, unless you're impacting a view, you're increasing the height. There's other criteria. But I was using that as an example of there are projects in Sausalito that don't trigger designer view that may be within that 80% to 100% |
| 01:20:44.45 | Unknown | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:20:45.01 | Mayor Kelly | Right. |
| 01:20:45.62 | Unknown | I think |
| 01:20:45.84 | Mayor Kelly | The Pressure of the Red, yes, but just in general. |
| 01:20:47.59 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:20:54.78 | Unknown | threshold there that wouldn't require the heightened design review findings from the Planning Commission because a design review permit wouldn't be required period |
| 01:21:03.24 | Adam Politzer | MR. Mr. Mayor, I think Councilmember Leon's question. and also recommendation to go public comment is probably a good one because I think When you look at those examples up there, It's actually the argument that the Vice Mayor and I have had before where we're together we want to have an administrative process that doesn't require the public to come in and say, I don't want that big house next to us because we are in, that's over 300 square feet. That's something that you're trying to encourage to be below market rate because it is a larger unit. So if this unit here, these examples here, come in front of the Planning Commission, Um, Just in assuming that they meet the criteria that's laid out to grant the approval, then we're going to have public outcry that we don't want these next to our homes. And that's the whole point of the affordable housing argument is that the criteria that they have to meet and for any exceptions required them to go to the Planning Commission If they stay within those criteria, which the Housing Element Committee, the Working Group Committee, And now the council the Planning Commission, and now the Council is reviewing It gives the ability for staff to say, yes, you meet the criteria. We can approve that and we can create affordable housing. So I think in this discussion regarding to go into a circle. and confuse some of the arguments, to take a moment to hear some public comments and then come back. The question that that Councilmember Leone is asking is a good question and I think we can work through it. But it's important that that what I'm watching happen right now is there's discussion at the Council discussion if the staff and we're not interacting, so it's got to be a question and it's got to be a response, and the discussion has to be inclusive. Right now, it's a little bit separated based on which party and which table you're sitting at. |
| 01:22:59.71 | Mayor Kelly | Lecture accepted. |
| 01:23:01.87 | Adam Politzer | . |
| 01:23:02.97 | Councilmember Winer | I wish it was the opposite, but I'm not saying that I'm not confused. So I don't claim to have all the answers. So if someone can unconfuse me, I'm more than happy to be unconfused. |
| 01:23:04.92 | Adam Politzer | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:23:18.66 | Mayor Kelly | All right, we'll go to public comment. Would anybody in the public like to comment on this? Michael? |
| 01:23:27.47 | Unknown | I was here two weeks ago and I spoke and... You can go to the video and see what I said. In fact, I hope you would. Just in case you don't, I wrote it down. Okay, so the same record. |
| 01:23:42.72 | Unknown | That letter says I support this ordinance. We've been trying to get this ordinance in place for 20 years now. I was on a committee 20 years ago where we got actually in our general plan program to create an amnesia program for second units and to consider an ordinance to allow new ones. That's in our general plan, it's not in our zoning ordinance. That plan was adopted 17 years ago, so it's long overdue that we take this action, and I encourage you to do so. I want to address what I heard. I'm kind of shocked that there's such a misunderstanding about Thank you. what we're trying to accomplish here. First of all, I've got a question though. Isn't this only for our one? |
| 01:24:30.92 | Mayor Kelly | Only what? |
| 01:24:31.95 | Unknown | Only for our one. No. No? Although I don't think it matters. First of all, affordable housing, what's the state's intent? It's not to get rent control. It's not to have deed restrictions. It's not to put income limits on people. That's not big government that we're after. It's all about the marketplace, okay? What the state is seeking is a mix of housing types, sizes, and values. So there's a broad range of opportunity for people at all income levels. And if you build small, You can build by right. not discretionary review. The state is mandating that you not have discretionary review if they're small. It's by Bright. That's something to understand here. What Sausalito's done is it's taken the state standards and modified it to fine-tune it very carefully to this town so it won't have significant negative impacts on the neighbors. And that is what's in front of you. The, um, You're right that You can't guarantee they're going to be rented. That's not the point. The point is that you're building on and that they exist. There is no opportunity to have a small affordable unit if they don't exist. So whether they're rented or not, the state doesn't care. The state just wants the units built. And whether they're rented or not, many of them do get occupied. And who occupies these small units? Not much bigger than a three-car garage, okay? In-laws, seniors who can't afford the big house, who can stay in town because they can move into that second unit and rent the big house for a lot of money. are children who can stay in town because they can't afford a big house, Can I keep going? Thank you. |
| 01:26:30.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:30.26 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:26:30.31 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:26:30.58 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:26:30.60 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:26:31.15 | Councilmember Winer | So it's not fair to let him go. |
| 01:26:33.31 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, how many people want to speak to this issue? |
| 01:26:33.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:33.65 | Councilmember Winer | Anyways, how many |
| 01:26:37.01 | Mayor Kelly | Nobody else wants to speak to the issue, so let him go. You're in laws. |
| 01:26:38.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:38.86 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. |
| 01:26:38.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:38.91 | Councilmember Winer | Your in-laws. Thank you. |
| 01:26:40.69 | Mayor Kelly | on it. |
| 01:26:40.99 | Councilmember Winer | What's this time? |
| 01:26:41.04 | Mayor Kelly | Which is fine. |
| 01:26:41.97 | Unknown | He's doing well testing. |
| 01:26:41.99 | Mayor Kelly | He's done with her. |
| 01:26:43.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:43.18 | Mayor Kelly | Can I? |
| 01:26:43.22 | Unknown | Can I watch this? |
| 01:26:43.98 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. |
| 01:26:44.03 | Mayor Kelly | Excuse me, excuse me. I'm in charge. |
| 01:26:44.59 | Councilmember Winer | Excuse me. |
| 01:26:44.94 | Unknown | Excuse me. Thank you. |
| 01:26:47.08 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:26:47.12 | Unknown | I'll let you go in another three minutes. |
| 01:26:48.03 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:26:48.69 | Unknown | from there. Our in-laws live in there. Your father could move in or your mother, so you can take care of them. |
| 01:26:49.21 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 01:26:55.57 | Unknown | Okay, maybe you don't charge them rent. How about your au pair who can take care of your kids? These are all needs. How about some of the workers who don't earn much in our town? and can't afford to live elsewhere, and we don't want them commuting. There's a huge need. whether they're rented or not. Um, I'll keep it short here. um, I participate in nearly every one of the 11 workshop meetings, and A lot of people didn't see eye to eye. We had members of the public with great concern come and talk. And I can tell you firsthand that every single detail in this ordinance was debated and struggled over and refined. They looked at every single ordinance throughout Marin. This is one of the more conservative ones. I asked Michael Moore, the director of Mill Valley, how's that 500 square foot credit working out? He said it's one of the best things we have. It's created a huge incentive for people to build these units. And we're delighted with it. Well, guess what? Saucydo didn't adopt it. Ours is different. Ours is more restrictive. You'll find this ordinance is more restrictive when it comes to impacts on neighbors than any other ordinance, ADU ordinance in Marin County. And I know, because I work in all the different towns. So, please consider my points here. This is something we need. We've been waiting a long time and I ask you to adopt it. Thank you. |
| 01:28:22.49 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:28:22.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:28:23.03 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you, Michael. Anybody else care to speak on the issue? I've seen none. Bring it back up here. You know, let me just say, to think about this, San Francisco just redid their ordinance on what they call SRO, single room occupancy, which has a small kitchen in it and a closet. And they lowered it, I think, to 225 square feet from whatever it is now. Or maybe it was 200 feet. And the reason they did it, and this is the very important reason, the reason they did it was because rents for larger units have gone up dramatically in San Francisco because the demand is there. And they believed that what would happen is this would make affordability, affordable units available to people who are being tossed out of one-bedroom apartments that are now renting for $2,500 a month, et cetera, et cetera. So it's good policy to build small units because you will service the people who cannot afford and still want to live in your community, but cannot afford to live in one bedrooms that now trade for $2,000 to $2,500 a month. And there's no way that a 250 or 300 or 500 square foot unit isn't going to trade for half that amount. or less, or less. So we're not here to make public policy for the state. We're here to abide by the state law and make public policy that works for Sausalito. And that's what I think we have. Crafted is a very, very good ordinance that will keep us from developing housing that we don't want, and it'll encourage housing that we can, in fact, use, and it will be good for the public. Mr. Mayor, if I can... So I'm going to give everybody three minutes to talk. |
| 01:30:03.05 | Adam Politzer | THE FAMILY. So, Can I just add one comment there? Because I think it's important what you just stated. the fact of the matter is that we can bring this back. If we roll this out and it becomes a problem, then you can do just as San Francisco did and lower the levels or create new restrictions. It doesn't mean that it can't come back at a later date to be adjust it if in fact it's not adding any value to our community or creating an impact both on enforcement or on our residents. |
| 01:30:35.42 | Councilmember Winer | I have a couple questions for Lily. What was the reasoning behind the Amnesty Program not, you know, there's some, clarify the language for me, but as far as this, we'll see how big your building is, but we're not going to actually do anything with it. What does that mean? |
| 01:30:59.26 | Unknown | So for floor area, building coverage, impervious surface, setbacks, height, I don't think I'm forgetting anything. We would document what that unit is at. We would document it in the record, in the approval. We wouldn't count it towards determining if the unit is eligible or not. And the thought process behind that is the unit already exists, and we don't want to make people demo portions of their house. We just want them to come in, make sure it's safe, and give them a permit for it. |
| 01:31:08.19 | Andrew Davidson | would Thank you. |
| 01:31:32.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:32.79 | Councilmember Winer | So if I built out more than my allowable maximums. |
| 01:31:32.84 | Unknown | So if I built |
| 01:31:37.97 | Councilmember Winer | And I don't even have to designate it as an affordable unit. It's just asking forgiveness later. I've maxed it out. I'll come in under my amnesty and say, hey, guess what? My house is too big. I'm not sure what the, again, what the goal is there. Like what? |
| 01:31:58.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:58.14 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:31:58.16 | Unknown | goal. |
| 01:31:58.60 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:31:58.61 | Unknown | Thank you. I think the understanding is that the impact in your scenario, that impact has already been created in the neighborhood and accepted by the neighborhood. because if it had not been accepted by the neighborhood, we would have received complaints about it and done code enforcement on it. |
| 01:32:16.04 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:32:16.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:16.08 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:32:16.11 | Unknown | or perhaps it's not. |
| 01:32:16.13 | Adam Politzer | Can I just add to that? And I think that the challenge that any city would have, not just our city, is that if in fact we decided to take enforcement action to say to the person, you built something illegally, which this city hasn't done since I've been been here with the city, you would then have a hearing because the people would ask for a, you know, |
| 01:32:33.26 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:32:33.46 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:32:42.10 | Adam Politzer | they would appeal that decision of staff to tell them that they have to deal with the enforcement action. And so then you're asking your council and they're going to get up and they're going to say, we have my mother-in-law living in that unit or we have workers of our community working in this and then the council's going to be said, sorry, you didn't build it properly and tear it down. In this case, if they meet these conditions, then we're saying to them, yeah, we're not happy about it. but it provides housing, it's safe, and we can grant, we can now make you a legal unit in our community, which then gives us some other abilities to work with them if there are other problems. |
| 01:33:21.62 | Councilmember Winer | So, but as far as not being direct on what the... my property taxes should be in that scenario, right? Because I never came in for a permit, and my property taxes never got adjusted for the value of my home. and the city and surrounding folks who are impacted but never get the benefit of whatever income stream comes out of that, how do we justify that? You know, how do we say, you know what, |
| 01:33:48.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:48.72 | Councilmember Winer | Ask forgiveness later. It's okay. And. |
| 01:33:50.81 | Unknown | I'm not sure that they would be exempt from any increase in property taxes because actually the legalization of it would bring into any change of the assessment. |
| 01:33:56.05 | Councilmember Winer | So, Thank you. So how would you, are you going to require them to come in and estimate what the cost of building that additional space was and then you send it up to the county? |
| 01:34:04.48 | Unknown | That would not show up in our zoning ordinance. But certainly well could be a discussion. Excuse me for interrupting you. It could be a discussion that the tax assessor would trigger with us and we would have to work through. But you just... |
| 01:34:09.19 | Councilmember Winer | Right. |
| 01:34:18.74 | Councilmember Winer | So that's why I'm trying to clarify you don't do anything with this information, right? So where does it...you would have to document this somehow for the taxes has to understand that there is additional value sitting on that lot. |
| 01:34:33.34 | Unknown | We're not interested in providing a property tax dodge to people who have illegally constructed. We are interested And providing amnesty for within the amnesty period. And remember, there is a conclusion of that amnesty period in 2014. And so. So we're interested in bringing them into compliance with the zoning regulations. And then the tax assessors, they have their own regulations that they have authority to implement and to administer within the county. Right, but you know... |
| 01:35:05.72 | Councilmember Winer | Right, but you know as well as I, they only get triggered for the most part if a permit was issued. It would be issued. If they added value to you. And you're not issuing a permit here. You're... |
| 01:35:13.16 | Unknown | It would be a shame. I will. Actually, I'm working right now with the county assessment. They're bringing something to our attention where there was illegal construction, and they're asking us what are we going to do with it? |
| 01:35:27.24 | Mayor Kelly | You're going to issue a permit, aren't you, to these people? |
| 01:35:30.51 | Unknown | We are going to issue a building permit will be required if there are safety violations that need to be corrected. |
| 01:35:34.98 | Mayor Kelly | safety violations that need to be corrected. What's the permit you're going to give them then? It permits that you have to exist. An accessory dwelling unit permit. Permit, okay. And there's nothing to keep the assessor from walking in here and saying, let me see all of your accessory dwelling unit permits. |
| 01:35:39.47 | Unknown | An accessory dwelling unit permit. |
| 01:35:47.50 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 01:35:47.71 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. They may never do it, but there's nothing to stop them from doing it. It's a taxing authority. And you can't make an ordinance that's supposed to create housing become a taxing ordinance, okay? You just can't do it. It's two separate things. |
| 01:35:53.06 | Unknown | protection authority. |
| 01:36:01.95 | Unknown | you |
| 01:36:03.22 | Mayor Kelly | They're two entirely different things. |
| 01:36:04.77 | Unknown | You raise excellent points there. |
| 01:36:06.35 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:36:06.37 | Councilmember Winer | No, but again, it gets back to what's the goal here? I have never heard of this. The goal is to build housing. It's not to build housing. That may be your goal. That is not my goal. My goal is to build housing that fits in the character of Sausalito and in this particular instance to provide secondary dwelling units that are more affordable and can be |
| 01:36:11.94 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:36:11.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:12.01 | Andrew Davidson | I've never heard. |
| 01:36:12.34 | Unknown | That's the building. |
| 01:36:12.97 | Andrew Davidson | It's not to build housing. That is not my... Thank you. My goal is to build |
| 01:36:29.08 | Councilmember Winer | You know, it's a joke to think that even down to 200 square feet that somehow if you build a new construction in San Francisco or here, that somebody's going to do that with the intent that it's going to be affordable. You have to have some policing mechanism because it has never worked in San Francisco and it won't work here either. |
| 01:36:45.76 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah. |
| 01:36:45.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:45.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:46.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:46.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:46.52 | Unknown | releasing |
| 01:36:47.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:47.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:47.39 | Unknown | So soon. |
| 01:36:47.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:47.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:47.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:48.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:48.03 | Unknown | as it is. |
| 01:36:48.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:48.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:50.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:50.35 | Unknown | And it won't work here either. |
| 01:36:52.49 | Unknown | This is what we don't need. |
| 01:36:52.62 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:36:52.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:52.71 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:36:52.96 | Unknown | I think they don't know. But that would |
| 01:36:54.13 | Councilmember Winer | Do you know how much people are paying for a 500 square foot apartment in San Francisco? For like a brand new 500 square foot apartment? They pay a lot of money. I actually know exactly. Right. So no one's going to come in and build this with 500 square feet to, it doesn't matter. It does matter. |
| 01:36:54.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:37:00.07 | Unknown | They pay off. I actually know what I'm talking about. |
| 01:37:04.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:37:04.61 | Unknown | Thank you. Five more square feet. |
| 01:37:10.78 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:37:10.95 | Councilmember Winer | Bye. |
| 01:37:11.19 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:37:11.47 | Unknown | you |
| 01:37:11.64 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:37:11.85 | Councilmember Winer | I agree with your intentions, Michael, but I disagree that the |
| 01:37:12.01 | Councilmember Weiner | I don't know. |
| 01:37:16.49 | Councilmember Winer | and you know you and I are more or less on the same page about the grand goal of affordable housing here, But to say if you build it, they will come is not going to happen. |
| 01:37:25.01 | Unknown | The question is, what would you change in this organization? |
| 01:37:29.21 | Councilmember Winer | There is nothing in this state law that says that it has to be about market rate housing. |
| 01:37:29.43 | Unknown | There is nothing in there. |
| 01:37:34.17 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:37:34.93 | Unknown | What do you? So what? So you make it about affordable housing, |
| 01:37:36.90 | Councilmember Winer | So you make it about affordable housing because you're incentivizing people to provide affordable housing. |
| 01:37:39.03 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:37:40.67 | Unknown | to provide affordable housing. So what would you change in our ordinance then? |
| 01:37:44.18 | Councilmember Winer | So that if you want an accessory dwelling unit and you're not permitted to do so under our zoning ordinance, it has to be |
| 01:37:47.40 | Unknown | for a long time. |
| 01:37:47.42 | Mayor Kelly | not permitted to do that. THE FAMILY. And the state would recognize that that would be a wonderful way to never build another single piece of housing in Sausalito. because nobody is going to build affordable housing without a subsidy, and you're not going to provide them with that subsidy. |
| 01:38:05.03 | Councilmember Winer | You're providing a bunch of subsidies in here. Absolutely. You're providing a lot of incentives in here. Mr. Mayor, let me jump in here. You're providing additional square footage. Well, we've got to move on. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. |
| 01:38:06.32 | Mayor Kelly | Absolutely not. |
| 01:38:08.09 | Unknown | I'm not going to be cutting it. |
| 01:38:08.39 | Mayor Kelly | So, Thank you. |
| 01:38:09.49 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:38:09.51 | Mayor Kelly | in here. |
| 01:38:10.01 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, let me jump in here. |
| 01:38:14.10 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:38:14.11 | Adam Politzer | We got to move on. Hold on a second. You know, again, it's easy to get into the emotions of the debate and lose the focus of the purpose. I agree. You know, the idea that we heard from Mr. Rex earlier |
| 01:38:16.49 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 01:38:24.49 | Mayor Kelly | I agree. |
| 01:38:30.95 | Adam Politzer | about if you build it, they will come. There is some truth to that. If you don't build it, if you make the requirement that it has to be affordable, And then at what level of affordable, then it will be a challenge for anything to be built and I think that that was part of our discussions in previous council meetings about the importance to look at making Sausalito providing opportunities for people that live here in our town to stay in our town and to attract folks to our town that can't afford to live here today. If there isn't the ability to create the market and the market will be driven, I think we've heard real estate agents in the past. I know that at the Sausage School District meeting when they were talking about building teacher housing there that there were real estate agents that stood up and said, this is what's available today at those rates in our own town. Why do we need to build additional buildings when they're already available? Go to Craigslist and you can see that these units are affordable or low rent facilities so I think that it's important that If you look at what the perfect solution is, it may not be there. But there has to be a solution that starts the process forward and to say that we have illegal ADUs in our town that all of a sudden are going to generate above market rent. I don't think that that's the case. I think you can look at Craig's list and see what's made available today and see that it's probably at or below market rate, especially as the economy is changing once again. But I think it's a... a mistake not to put out some options. So if Council would like to, and especially Vice Mayor Leon because he has some strong opinions of what he would like to see in this document. or a purpose statement that may be missing because he's not seeing the purpose that we're putting forward, then give that direction to staff so that we can add some language or include some incentives that may or may not exist, but not to move forward We're looking at the ADU ordinance and the opportunity here to one to bring into compliance There's a basic... benefit of coming into compliance right now. and that is we're going to go do an inspection to make sure it's safe. And if someone's living in a place that's a fire trap, or was built with poor construction. and an earthquake or earth movement of any sort happens, This is the ability to go into these places that exist today and make sure that they are built safe so the people living them and paying probably below market rate get some benefit. continue this item and I'm not even sure it's where it limiting the debate, I think, The debate is fine, but we really do need some direction back if there's some some concerns that are coming from your remarks. We hear your concerns. Vice Mayor Leon, but we're not quite sure how you would like us to address them. And the other option for you, Mr. Mayor, is that if you want to continue this item for the end of the agenda and move through some of the other items and then come back to it. We can look at doing that at the obviously at the despair of of our staff here that would be required to stay, and any members of the public that would like to hear the thrilling outcome of this. |
| 01:41:42.30 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 01:41:47.38 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, can I comment? |
| 01:41:48.04 | Mayor Kelly | Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:41:48.46 | Adam Politzer | American. |
| 01:41:49.03 | Mayor Kelly | No, I want to speak. The thing that... The ordinance that is before us is a carefully crafted ordinance that will likely, first of all, grant amnesty to illegal units that are currently existing. And it will also encourage people who have considered this for various needs, whether it be a nanny, an aunt, an uncle, a grandparent, a child, or whatever, to build a separate unit for them if they have the available space that can fit underneath the ordinance. It will encourage that. It speaks not at all to the fairness in housing. It speaks not at all to what rents should be or not should be. The way that works, is that if you're in San Francisco and you want to build a 100-unit project, they have an ordinance that say when you build that project, 15 to 20 percent, or more. that housing must be affordable and they actually give you the number. And if you, as a developer or a builder, or an owner want to do that, You sign that piece of paper. It's a separate thing entirely. We don't build units like that in Sausalito. It will never be built here, as far as I can tell. First of all, we have a 32-foot height limit. And our density, the number of parcels we have in here that would fit that kind of density, you can count on the fingers of one hand, if not one finger. They just don't exist. The largest property of that that scale is Butte Street property, and we know what that went through. So if you try to impose affordable housing with a limit on rents in this ordinance, you will defeat all attempts to build any housing in Sausalito. period. If you can live with a public policy statement that says the intent of this is to build units small enough that the rents that could be charged for a small unit would fit into the income strata that is suggested by the state in terms of affordability from market rate down to very, very low. and that that the city will have an intent to try to do that and do it the best it can to monitor these things and make sure that they're abiding by it, that the person is living in the house who has the ADU and doesn't leave and turn it over to somebody else and so on and so on. If that's the purpose, I'm all for it. I mean, we can rewrite the preamble and have a really good statement about what the purpose of this is so that any planning commission or any other in the future looking at it would say, Oh. I can't grant this because you didn't match up with what the purpose was. You're trying to charge a lot of money for a very tiny unit on the water and we're not going to go for that. You want to make it smaller and and turn it around and face the other way and make it accessible, blah, blah, whatever. We'll go for that because the purpose of this is to build housing where the market rate for that housing as an individual unit fits into the income brackets of the lower income side of the equation. So I think those are our two choices. We either abandon this and therefore abandon our housing element, or we move forward with some kind of a document that philosophically most of us can accept. |
| 01:45:13.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | A real encounter. |
| 01:45:14.98 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah, you're welcome to come. |
| 01:45:18.34 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, so first of all, it's my understanding that this is just the first reading, so this will be continued to, you know, mid-November. But my, in looking at this, my primary concern is, you know, what we don't want looking at this is, What we don't want to see is the ability for someone to to come in and build a high impact structure just rubber stamped over the counter. So that is one thing we don't want to see. I'm concerned about the potential loss of an existing parking space with the current amnesty program, which just has a blanket, no on-site parking is required. I think there's a difference between saying no on-site parking is required versus saying that existing parking should be retained. The other comment, because I think there's really congestion and parking, and I think with parking in very many neighborhoods in Sausalito where there's a lot of high density because of existing ADUs. The other concern I have is I would like to see something that says that garages would not be converted. to ADUs because we need to retain garages. Garages provide parking and prevent further congestion in our neighborhoods. And so I think that there should be something that protects the existing parking for new with regards to current structures and their current parking on site with respect to when they explore adding new ADUs. I want to understand a little bit more about the restrictions that have been placed regarding owner-occupied in certain conditions because if, for example, I'm a retiree and I have a home and I add an ADU maybe inside my home and want to rent that out while I'm downscoping someplace else, more affordable place. I think we need to look at all scenarios in terms of what kind of restrictions we're putting on this. I'm glad that there's going to be another reading. I think there needs to be more public outreach regarding what's happening here. Whenever we are doing a You know, we have to do this because California state law mandates that we have an ADU policy. We just need to make sure that everyone understands what's going on and that this policy is something that will be an over-the-counter approval because, you know, to me that raises the bar quite a bit. I would rather err on the side of being conservative, you know, in terms of what someone can get approved over the counter in terms of size. And keep that size, you know, as small and as reasonable as possible. And let's see, there was one other comment I had and I can't recall. Okay. But anyway. I also want to thank the group that worked on this because it's never easy. It's a hard topic and I appreciate all the hours they put in. Thank you. |
| 01:48:28.87 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:48:29.04 | Unknown | But anyway. |
| 01:48:29.93 | Unknown | Put your back. |
| 01:48:30.44 | Mary Wagner | Puts. |
| 01:48:30.85 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:48:30.90 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 01:48:38.73 | Mary Wagner | Right. |
| 01:48:38.79 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:48:39.03 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, do you want us to keep notes and then respond if you have questions? No. |
| 01:48:42.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:48:42.32 | Councilmember Winer | No. No. Thank you. Okay. So I'll just make a motion. I think we should continue this item to the next meeting because, again, you |
| 01:48:54.88 | Mayor Kelly | What's going to make it not come up? Because maybe I'll |
| 01:48:56.70 | Councilmember Winer | Because maybe I'll have a better grasp of the intent here and be able to not, because I read this and I read it carefully. But. And then I thought about what my goals were And what I promised people I would do sitting here. I understand the greater good that we get from supplying market-rate housing. Do you disagree with what I said? I can't remember exactly what you said. |
| 01:49:25.03 | Mayor Kelly | That's what I was afraid of. |
| 01:49:26.52 | Councilmember Winer | So maybe I, and I can't speak for Councilmember Pfeiffer, but maybe |
| 01:49:26.89 | Mayor Kelly | So... |
| 01:49:37.10 | Mayor Kelly | Well, I don't think we have any choice because at this point it sounds like you would be a part of it. |
| 01:49:40.05 | Councilmember Winer | Well, no. I mean, you could call for a vote, and it just goes around circles. So the |
| 01:49:42.31 | Mayor Kelly | in circles. All right, so we've got to continue it and then what will happen? |
| 01:49:47.85 | Councilmember Winer | so I'll fall in love with you in the time. MR. You're not going to fall in love with me. MR. Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:49:49.65 | Mayor Kelly | You're not going to follow up. |
| 01:49:50.97 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, would it be helpful to refer this to the legislative committee? |
| 01:49:55.68 | Councilmember Winer | to the legislative committee? No, no, no, you don't have to do that. You know, I think... |
| 01:50:00.77 | Mayor Kelly | I think it would be helpful to have some kind of place where you can go talk to someone. |
| 01:50:04.85 | Councilmember Winer | Well, no, I'll talk with the staff, but I mean, I don't need a formal meeting to do that. |
| 01:50:07.74 | Mayor Kelly | I don't need to form a meeting. Are you willing to go through with first reading, realizing that you have a veto power? No, because you can't |
| 01:50:13.31 | Councilmember Winer | No, because you can't change it in the second reading. Right. There is no such thing as a first reading. So if there were changes. It has to be what it is here for it to be a second reading. |
| 01:50:15.57 | Mayor Kelly | There is no such thing. We have to do for three again. If there were changes. All right, then I move that we continue this to the next hearing with the President. And I apologize. |
| 01:50:25.39 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, and I apologize if I'm not getting it, but when I read it, I just didn't quite get it. And it's not that it's not written correctly, but again, it's just, you know, I didn't quite... I move that we continue. |
| 01:50:38.89 | Mayor Kelly | I move that we continue this to the next council meeting. And in the meantime, Vice Mayor Leon will meet with staff. I second. To try to work out. And I will meet with staff. |
| 01:50:45.44 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:50:45.47 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I second. Yeah, and I will meet with Sasha. |
| 01:50:49.19 | Mayor Kelly | Please. |
| 01:50:49.35 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:50:49.40 | Mayor Kelly | Bye. |
| 01:50:49.46 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Bye. |
| 01:50:49.49 | Mayor Kelly | Bye. Thank you for having me. |
| 01:50:50.89 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I said I second NIL, so we'll meet the staff. |
| 01:50:52.91 | Councilmember Winer | And I think it's important to realize that this is not a small thing. And I know a lot of work went into it. Ray and other folks spent a lot of time on it. And I'm not disparaging what they did. I think though the impact of this is potentially far reaching. depending on your lot. and who you live next to. So I think it's something we need to do. There's no need to rush here. We have a number of meetings left before the end of this. |
| 01:51:18.62 | Mayor Kelly | I think we would need to get a band and a group of folks in a parade and parade around the streets constantly to get the 24 units that we're supposed to get out of this. Because I don't think this is going to be a bonanza for anybody. But that's my personal opinion. Okay? So let's continue. I've made a motion. Do I have a second? Seconded. All right. All in favor? |
| 01:51:35.27 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:51:35.29 | Unknown | Second, right. |
| 01:51:36.03 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:51:38.60 | Unknown | Aye. |
| 01:51:40.37 | Mayor Kelly | All right, moving on. |
| 01:51:45.84 | Mayor Kelly | 2, introduction read by title only, ordinance, city council, repealing section 1504145, with the misrepos, and adding a new section 1530, regulating valet parking. And to continue this to the 11-12, 13-12, for second reading and adoption. All right, can we make this as brief as possible? Jonathan? |
| 01:52:12.67 | Jonathon Goldman | I'll do my best, Mr. Mayor, Public Works Director, Jonathan Goldman. members of council, staff, members of the community. Sausalito Municipal Code, Section 15.04.080, establishes city council's authority to do what I'm asking you to consider doing. The existing code, Section 15.04.145, expressly prohibits the parking of a vehicle by a valet parking surface in any city street or alley, but is silent with respect to a number of other potential issues with and benefits from the utilization of a valet parking service commonly accomplished in other successful communities, whether they have an affordable dwelling unit ordinance or not. Thank you. |
| 01:52:58.35 | Unknown | . |
| 01:52:59.90 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:52:59.97 | Unknown | it. |
| 01:53:00.03 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:53:00.10 | Unknown | . |
| 01:53:00.49 | Jonathon Goldman | The prohibition is also ambiguous. Don't start with me, Goldman. I'm trying to keep it light, sir. Prohibition is also ambiguous with respect to certain existing use permit conditions of approval, and clarity is desired in order to make enforcement more effective. In order to ensure that the community's intent is realized with the use of the public right-of-way and public property staff has met with members of the community research legislation in other communities and prepared the attached ordinance amending title 15 and social municipal code for council's consideration the proposed amendments are consistent with the city's general plan circulation and parking element objective CP-20, manage parking demand to address commercial area parking demand while meeting residential area parking needs, as well as Objective CP-2.3, cooperation of local businesses to develop programs to reduce traffic and parking impacts. |
| 01:53:00.54 | Unknown | The prohibition is also Don't start with me. |
| 01:53:04.96 | Councilmember Winer | Goldman. |
| 01:53:05.98 | Unknown | laughter |
| 01:53:06.97 | Councilmember Winer | I'm sorry. |
| 01:53:07.93 | Unknown | I'm just trying to keep it light, sir. |
| 01:53:09.33 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:53:10.77 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 01:53:58.88 | Jonathon Goldman | Ballet parking is mentioned specifically under private parking standards in the CPE as an alternative to be considered in accomplishing the general plan's objectives. Further, the proposed amendment is intended to fit within the Council's three-year goals of attaining fiscal stability and sustainability and balancing the retention of solicitor's unique character with change. Staff has not identified any issues with what is proposed. The contemplated regulations don't have the potential for causing significant environmental effects. Fiscal impacts have been evaluated, and the proposed regulations would establish a fee for evaluating valet parking permit applications, related traffic plans, and other supporting documents. and the proposed regulations would allow the use of municipal parking lots by a valet parking service at specified rates. A second fee for annual renewal would also be established. These fees would accrue to the general fund. The permit processing costs, meaning staff labor, would be borne by the Department of Public Works Engineering, being responsible for public right-of-way. Parking enforcement costs for public right-of-way and city-owned parking, costs would be borne by the police department, and code enforcement for uses of private property costs would be borne by the community development department. So what we are recommending that Council do this evening, certainly if you have questions based on the draft ordinance that you have for you or my rambling staff report, you're welcome to ask. Then encourage you to invite public comment. And then if you are willing, a motion to introduce and first read by title only an ordinance repealing section 15.04.145 of the Associated Municipal Code and adding a new section 15.30 regulating valet parking with a public hearing to be continued to the next meeting for second reading and adoption. |
| 01:54:31.63 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Mm-hmm. |
| 01:54:50.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:56:01.81 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Thank you, Jonathan. Any questions? Yeah. |
| 01:56:05.56 | Councilmember Winer | you Where'd this come from? You know, who's in here beating the door down for valet parking? Is it the businesses or is it? |
| 01:56:13.51 | Mayor Kelly | Are you looking for another bone to chew? Yeah, I mean, seriously. I mean, like, I'm wondering. Just let him answer the question. |
| 01:56:15.62 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, I mean, seriously. |
| 01:56:20.15 | Jonathon Goldman | First of all, we have a use permit condition of approval that requires valet parking and uses municipal parking lot. |
| 01:56:33.18 | Councilmember Winer | That's, I can understand that because it's in conflict with the |
| 01:56:37.57 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, it's not necessarily a conflict. It's just not clear. |
| 01:56:41.59 | Councilmember Winer | Right. It's not clear that the Poggio's current arrangement is actually statutorily legal. But Cas Madrona, whoever owns the particular. But anyway, put that aside. Where is the rest of the problem that drives the creation of staff time to create this ordinance? |
| 01:56:50.04 | Mayor Kelly | Oh. But anyway. |
| 01:56:51.73 | Andrew Davidson | I don't know. |
| 01:56:57.53 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:56:57.55 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, we have received and in fact granted a temporary encroachment permit to allow a valet parking operation using the public right of way but parking the vehicles on private property earlier this year on Caledonia Street. And the demand is there and in order to allow our parking enforcement and our Office of the City Engineer to deal with those requests and take advantage of the opportunity that a valet parking operation creates to make better use of both public and private property and eliminate some of the |
| 01:56:57.70 | Councilmember Winer | Well, I'm not. |
| 01:56:57.79 | Mayor Kelly | It's dangerous. |
| 01:57:14.76 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:57:14.78 | Unknown | or |
| 01:57:15.05 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:57:34.14 | Andrew Davidson | and we're going to have a |
| 01:57:37.71 | Jonathon Goldman | demand issues that exist in some of the more successful business parts of the city. We did some research, looked at ordinances in other communities, and are proposing that we create this way of managing this demand. |
| 01:57:54.89 | Mayor Kelly | Also, it says in here in the staff report that the existing code, the one with all the 1504145 number, expressly prohibits the parking of a valet parking service. Right. |
| 01:58:07.35 | Jonathon Goldman | Right. |
| 01:58:07.99 | Mayor Kelly | So it brings into conformance what's actually happening in the community. |
| 01:58:11.40 | Jonathon Goldman | Just to be clear, the prohibition is on the use of the public right-of-way. It's not clear with respect to city property that's owned in free title or Municipal parking lot. |
| 01:58:24.44 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, if I can just add to the question that Councilmember Leon asked and it was very specific there. |
| 01:58:29.52 | Councilmember Winer | I think it's very specific there. in the neck has. |
| 01:58:31.93 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:31.98 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:32.03 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 01:58:32.08 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:32.24 | Adam Politzer | you I think that many of us... |
| 01:58:35.71 | Councilmember Winer | Mary put me in a bad mood earlier. No, I'm just kidding. Do anything? |
| 01:58:37.60 | Adam Politzer | No, I'm just kidding, man. Are you going to do anything? Yeah. |
| 01:58:41.10 | Councilmember Winer | you |
| 01:58:41.16 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:41.23 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:41.38 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:41.40 | Councilmember Winer | Amen. |
| 01:58:41.62 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:41.65 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. |
| 01:58:41.79 | Adam Politzer | I need a new battery, I guess. |
| 01:58:42.73 | Councilmember Winer | No, but seriously, I'm just wondering where See you. |
| 01:58:44.44 | Adam Politzer | No, no, no, it's a good question. I mean, you watched what happened with our Caledonia Street merchants. What happened? Tell me. |
| 01:58:50.92 | Councilmember Winer | to Thank you. |
| 01:58:52.15 | Adam Politzer | This is a great day. |
| 01:58:52.23 | Councilmember Winer | I'm just nervous to make |
| 01:58:52.98 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:53.03 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:53.13 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:58:53.50 | Councilmember Winer | They came here and complained. Where are they parking on 5 or 5? |
| 01:58:53.53 | Mayor Kelly | So they came here and complained about the parking. |
| 01:58:57.23 | Adam Politzer | Well, the challenge, there's several challenges, right? We have restaurants that are doing very well on Caledonia Street and throughout town. We have a movie theater that is playing movies that drive people to Sausalito as well as people that live in Sausalito driving to the movies. We have a town that still becomes a destination for people that are taking staycations or any other type of vacation to come to the town. And as we look at our parking, We included lot four and made that $1 an hour just like we have on our meters on the street. And that parking is you have to pay for parking up to 6 o'clock. After 6 o'clock it's free. So it's an opportunity to work with the downtown, not the downtown, the Caledonia Street merchants as they were doing ballet parking, the restaurants got together and they all created a co-op so that they could help their customers who were all getting tickets because they were parking on the west side of Caledonia Street, on Pine Street and Turney Street, because there was no place for them to park. our demand on parking on the Locust Street lot. Even for people with C stickers, that don't actually live on Pine Street, but they live on Caledonia Street, they find themselves in a kind of no man's land so they actually can park over in the Locust Street lot. The tenants there, we've now required them to get permits to park there. So that at one point in time was parking to help satisfy the demand on Caledonia Street for both the movie and for the restaurants. So you have Lieutenant Skoog here, I know that Jennifer Dejada, our chief, Jonathan Goldman, our public works director, and even myself have been involved in a variety of conversations to see where we can be creative and maximize our parking demand here on Caledonia Street. And then as we deal with the Casa Madrona and In Above Tide and Saucer Hotel on how to take care of their customers that are staying at their hotels and deal with the conditional permit that allows them to valet so that we can be creative, this gives us some flexibility and opportunity to look at the entire parking. situation and have some ability to offer valet or expand valet, which doesn't exist today. |
| 02:01:36.26 | Councilmember Winer | So, So this is to facilitate It's not a way around parking requirements, because I can guarantee you they're going to come in and say, I don't need it anymore because I can valet. It's specifically prohibited in the zoning ordinance that you can't validate. to meet your partner. |
| 02:01:57.25 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. To me. But I think that we're looking at it from the staff perspective of how do we use the existing city facilities, the city lots, and how do we maximize both revenue generation and as well as make it convenient for our folks. You have all received letters from people that have gotten tickets that say, I'm not going to walk three blocks to go to Soushiran and spend $200. You know, so if they can pull into Caledonia Street between Pine and Johnson, and that's where they were trying to do valet to serve all the restaurants on between Pine and Johnson, that they now can then take these cars to whatever lots that we designate. If they take the lots to private property, well then they have to go through a different process to make sure that those impacts to potential residents, you know, are also addressed. It doesn't bypass the restrictions that happen on private property, but it does give us the opportunity to be creative on what happens on public property. |
| 02:02:59.20 | Councilmember Winer | But the way this is phrased, it's saying you can park in the public way. So, you know, like, given that you don't have a permit, let's say if this is the problem area you're trying to address right here, not the Valhalla, which is going to come in and ask for the same thing, right, because you're enabling it, is the |
| 02:03:17.47 | Unknown | We don't have a public radio. |
| 02:03:19.47 | Councilmember Winer | No, I know, but they're going to say, hey, I only have X number of spaces, I want to do X, Y, and Z. But the, you know, why I used to be able to valet across the street underneath Gabbard's place. |
| 02:03:19.55 | Unknown | No. |
| 02:03:32.12 | Councilmember Winer | Here it says you can park in the public way under lawful conditions, which I'm assuming is if you don't set it on fire or something. So you're spilling the traffic problem. It's fine to take into lots. That makes sense to me. but don't, don't let people go and park up just two blocks up Pine Street. And that's OK. So you push the problem up the hill. Thank you. |
| 02:03:53.84 | Adam Politzer | No, I don't. The parking in the right of way, if it's not in a lot, would have to be in a parking space. We're not saying that they can park on the sidewalk or park inside our buildings. Right, so if you've ever lived near |
| 02:03:53.87 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. No, I don't. |
| 02:04:01.05 | Councilmember Winer | That's right. All right. Right. So if you've ever lived near the women's club, that's what happens. The parking spills out in the neighborhood and it pushes people who can't park. So it has to go somewhere. |
| 02:04:17.26 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think that problem has not been eliminated, but we have obviously worked closely with the women's club. |
| 02:04:23.37 | Councilmember Winer | I'm saying that's what happened with valet. They're gonna park it as close to it because they have to run and go get it, right? So they're gonna park as close to it. |
| 02:04:28.74 | Adam Politzer | But I don't think that's the intent. When we talk about the public right away, we're talking about working with the... folks that would need this parking to maximize our public parking lines. Thank you. |
| 02:04:40.99 | Jonathon Goldman | In addition, two points. Under the present circumstances and the temporary encroachment permit that we granted earlier this year dealt with some of those issues and involved a significant amount of staff time to grab insurance requirements, which the ordinance provides for, just to allow a business to use the public right away for the purpose of unloading passengers and taking a vehicle to somewhere else to park, whether it's on private property or public property. To the extent that it is on public property, we, in my judgment, and I think the city manager's judgment and other department heads' judgment, have a fiduciary responsibility to make sure that the public is being compensated. So if a valet operation is going to use a metered space and payment is required for that metered space, we have an obligation to be compensated, the public has an obligation to be compensated for the use of its public property. Finally, the situation that you alluded to where a valet is going to park up the hill |
| 02:04:41.43 | Adam Politzer | in the system. |
| 02:05:48.67 | Jonathon Goldman | That's not legal. There's a resident parking lot. |
| 02:05:51.97 | Councilmember Winer | requirement on the phone. Not if you go two blocks up high. Yes. |
| 02:05:56.12 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. the Area C permit is required between Caledonia and all the way up to Glen Drive. So a valet would not legally be allowed to use that space. And under the ordinance, there are specific penalties provided for that, making the valet liable for those sites. |
| 02:05:58.04 | Councilmember Winer | Sure. |
| 02:06:01.28 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. |
| 02:06:04.15 | Andrew Davidson | you |
| 02:06:04.18 | Mayor Kelly | to Glen Drive. |
| 02:06:06.86 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 02:06:08.92 | Mayor Kelly | That's right. |
| 02:06:09.56 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:06:10.00 | Mayor Kelly | under the |
| 02:06:10.31 | Councilmember Winer | Georgia. |
| 02:06:12.91 | Mayor Kelly | It's a private person. |
| 02:06:13.61 | Councilmember Winer | So is this just for Newtown? This is for the entire city. |
| 02:06:19.30 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:06:19.32 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:06:19.34 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:06:19.35 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:06:19.54 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:06:19.69 | Mayor Kelly | and, |
| 02:06:19.98 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:06:20.23 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:06:20.25 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:06:20.26 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:06:20.45 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:06:20.75 | Councilmember Weiner | My comment went... |
| 02:06:22.42 | Councilmember Winer | How are you going to accommodate this in other, you know, there's no parking lot in Old Town, right? |
| 02:06:27.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Right, so how would you... The obligation is on the applicant to tell the city how these issues are going to be dealt with before the parking manager would grant them a permit to perform that operation. Yeah. |
| 02:06:40.53 | Mayor Kelly | That's, you know, you're a mixture of apples and oranges. The planning commission's got a rule on Valhalla. Yeah, and also, |
| 02:06:42.56 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 02:06:43.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:06:44.97 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah, and also, by the way, the women's club is, if you see – I'm not targeting the women's club. I know, but I'm just saying – |
| 02:06:51.06 | Councilmember Winer | I'm not targeting the woman. I know, but I'm just saying. They have the whole system put in place to. But I'm just saying to you what they |
| 02:06:55.43 | Councilmember Weiner | But I'm just saying to you, what they do now is they shuttle, and they shuttle either at the Stavodicee Church, the Christ Church, or Topper Spencer. And I've seen many times when they had weddings at the women's club, that they... shuttle them all the way up from the Spencer Street parking lot. All right. And these are primarily Saturdays and Sundays, or we even use the City Hall on a Sunday because it's open. for these events that go up, I know, to the Women's Club because I'm involved in it. So |
| 02:07:34.58 | Adam Politzer | Councilmember Leon, I think that the reason why it covers the Old Town and as our Public Works Director just stated, the responsibility is on the applicant to come forward and tell us how they can accommodate parking cars. The ability that doesn't exist today is someone has a party and they just park illegally anyway. You know, this gives them the opportunity. |
| 02:07:35.73 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:07:56.44 | Adam Politzer | to do exactly what Councilmember Weiner is suggesting is come to the city and say, I'd like to provide valet parking for my party. Where can I park? Well, It's a Sunday night or a Saturday night, City Hall is closed, come park them here. That's what the IDES Hall does. Come park, you know, we can give them permission to park here and shuttle them off. That's the same thing that we've done with other entities, but we haven't been up until lately, we didn't know we were acting illegally when we said people can park here at City Hall or the strip in front of Dunphy Park, you know, wherever the public right-of-way exists. |
| 02:08:27.96 | Mayor Kelly | I'm not. Okay, any more questions? All right, seeing none, I ask for public comment. Anybody from public care to talk about this? Thank you. |
| 02:08:43.40 | Vicki Nichols | I live at Caledonia Attorney, so we are impacted a lot by people coming to the good restaurants in Caledonia and the movies. So what I'm hearing is that this would allow and I'm not singling anybody out, but Sushi Run, as you know, is a destination restaurant and very popular. Perhaps Yoshi to use of LA service, which would get cars off of Turney Street so we would be able to park. So I think this would, what I'm hearing, is be an improvement. We cannot park on Caledonia Street with a C sticker. So we have to park on all the side streets. Caledonia is supposed to be for the visitors, guests, so it sounds like it would work to me. It sounds like it'd be an improvement. People would get very mad. You could hear them screaming when they get a ticket. I can hear them in my apartment. So whatever we do with that. |
| 02:09:44.11 | Mayor Kelly | Lieutenant Scoog, do you want to chime in on this? |
| 02:09:45.90 | Unknown | on this? |
| 02:09:48.28 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Come up here and talk in the machine, if you would. Thank you. |
| 02:09:55.49 | Unknown | Lieutenant Curtis Cook, Sassi-Peddy. |
| 02:09:55.72 | Mayor Kelly | it. |
| 02:09:57.66 | Unknown | I'm sorry. From what I'm hearing from Councilmember Leon, he's worried that vehicles be parked in the residential zone. I don't think that's allowed by this ordinance because subsection C says public right away from any residential property may not be used for any portion of the valet parking zone service zone. I'm not sure if I understood Vice Mayor Leon if that was one of his concerns. What section are you reading from, Curtis? |
| 02:10:23.42 | Councilmember Winer | What's the concern? |
| 02:10:26.30 | Unknown | the I'm on page Thank you. |
| 02:10:28.83 | Councilmember Winer | You have to excuse me. Your excuses. |
| 02:10:31.82 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:10:32.04 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:10:32.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:10:33.83 | Councilmember Winer | Is this on the issuance conditions? |
| 02:10:34.77 | Unknown | Hey. |
| 02:10:35.72 | Councilmember Winer | Is that like with all these little, the seven, eight, and then it goes into C, D, E. Because the page numbers are always different |
| 02:10:51.63 | Councilmember Winer | Okay. |
| 02:10:52.15 | Unknown | 1-5, subsection C. |
| 02:10:57.60 | Councilmember Winer | Okay, so then it sources |
| 02:11:00.31 | Unknown | got the apparel for. |
| 02:11:01.45 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. The public right of way for any residential property may not be used in any portion for valet parking service. |
| 02:11:02.24 | Councilmember Winer | Bye. |
| 02:11:07.83 | Councilmember Winer | It says where the valley parking zones are on the street. |
| 02:11:09.99 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:11:10.13 | Mary Wagner | The last sentence of that paragraph. |
| 02:11:11.04 | Mayor Kelly | Listen. |
| 02:11:12.03 | Councilmember Winer | Right, I read that and then the one below says you can propose it on the street and then you have to just |
| 02:11:19.31 | Mayor Kelly | I think he gives us some teeth that we don't have. |
| 02:11:21.28 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah, it does give you some teeth because this way here, it's demanded possibly that you have to show indemnification, whatever it is, because you're now using a public facility. |
| 02:11:23.31 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 02:11:23.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:30.92 | Andrew Davidson | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:11:36.55 | Councilmember Weiner | Okay, I got you. |
| 02:11:38.19 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:11:44.26 | Mayor Kelly | Anybody else in the public here to comment? See none. Bring it back up here. I think this is a It's easy. This is what San Francisco has. We have to do something. It's a rigid, tough ballet ordinance and it helps a lot. |
| 02:11:52.95 | Councilmember Weiner | It's easy. We have to do something. |
| 02:12:03.25 | Councilmember Weiner | And actually it does help because a lot of people will come in |
| 02:12:06.22 | Mayor Kelly | I have a couple of |
| 02:12:06.23 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. I have a couple of... And some people will come in and they don't know where they can park during this. And if it's explained to them, that where they can park like up at Spencer or City Hall, then it does offer them the opportunity that a wedding party or something can go out and hire a shuttle service rather than just letting them all. And you see a lot of them will go with weddings. They'll go down and park in parking lot one. I've seen that sometimes, and they shuttle them up. |
| 02:12:37.86 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, I mean, that's not... The way this is phrased for these one-day permits, it doesn't really require you to do what you're saying. It just says the parking manager can decide what to do in those scenarios, which, in that case, you... could park in a residential zone if you have a high impact event, because it doesn't preclude it. It just says it's up to the parking manager. |
| 02:12:52.56 | Mayor Kelly | of you. |
| 02:12:58.53 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:12:58.73 | Mayor Kelly | Precluded in their psyche. |
| 02:12:58.89 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:13:00.03 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, but... |
| 02:13:00.98 | Unknown | about it. |
| 02:13:00.98 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah, but this would give, there is some management there where if you know how many people are coming, I mean, you have the ability. It isn't like if you have 10 people coming to an event rather than 150. So the idea that you'll have... |
| 02:13:15.09 | Councilmember Winer | So the idea that you'll have, that these will be like permanent zones, Curtis, and certain, like you'll have designated spaces permanently, or is it more of a flexible thing? Like if the main issue is right here, and I understand what the merchants are saying, that there'll be some spaces that are painted, I don't know what the right color for, whether it's yellow or white or whatever. |
| 02:13:36.16 | Unknown | yellow. The main area for valet is obviously the Casa Magrona. I really haven't seen much impact from sushi ron. Thank you. |
| 02:13:48.40 | Adam Politzer | Let me jump in because I don't think that... |
| 02:13:48.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:13:51.96 | Adam Politzer | Curtis has been involved in some of those discussions |
| 02:13:52.16 | Unknown | This has been a great time. |
| 02:13:52.65 | Unknown | Well, |
| 02:13:52.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:13:54.51 | Adam Politzer | The main area is here on Caldynast Street. and the discussion about what happens in the lots, to accommodate the restaurants here on Caledonia Street maybe just signage. It may say valet parking after 6 o'clock for X number of spaces in lot four, the lot right behind Taste of Rome, on Johnson. or we may do what we've done with the Casa Madrona where we put cones out because those spaces are available to anyone in the public today And so when we know we're going to have a busy weekend, it's a busy period of time, then we'll try to hold off some of those spaces so that the hotel guests can have their cars parked in those particular areas. I think at this point we're asking for you to give us discretion on how to be flexible with this. I personally don't see as marking permanent spaces at the beginning because I don't think that that's the demand. I don't think that's the need. But I think that we need to work through that and if we need to come back and make adjustments to do that, but at this point we're not even able to have these discussions because it's |
| 02:14:55.96 | Unknown | Uh, |
| 02:15:07.20 | Jonathon Goldman | If I may, Mr. Mayor, just to add to that. For purposes of enforcement, one of the problems that we have with Casa Madrona is that the requirement for a valet parking operation was established by the Planning Commission, but the California Vehicle Code and Manual and Uniform Traffic Control devices only gives us two choices for how that furniture is painted. It's either commercial and passenger loading, or it's passenger loading. Neither of those actually accommodate what a valet parking operation needs. And by enacting this ordinance or something like it, it gives us the ability to take more control over regulating that zone, give it to the valets instead of making it publicly available in exchange for compensation. during the periods of operation that are relevant to the valet operation, and then return it to loading or even parking, if appropriate, for the general public when the valet isn't operating there. |
| 02:16:05.42 | Councilmember Winer | to |
| 02:16:14.59 | Councilmember Winer | I think the goal would be to centralize this so you don't have four different valet parking scenarios running on two blocks of Caledonia Street. |
| 02:16:25.54 | Mayor Kelly | every man for himself. Yes. Earth. Thank you. |
| 02:16:28.76 | Councilmember Winer | that. |
| 02:16:28.79 | Mayor Kelly | That isn't necessarily a good thing. |
| 02:16:28.96 | Jonathon Goldman | It isn't necessarily a goal. It sounds like a reasonable objective, but I think if we had the demand for four different valet parking operations, the intent is to give the parking manager the flexibility to either deal with that and attempt to consolidate it, or in the event that we find that this ordinance or whatever you choose to adopt isn't accomplishing our objectives, we then have the ability to come back and say, you know, we need to adjust the regulation. |
| 02:16:57.53 | Adam Politzer | But the example that was just used, that was just demonstrated, was at least three or four of those restaurants doing just that. on Caledonia Street between Pine and I think they used the green zone there right across movie theater to put up their valet parking sign that said valet parking. And so that was the intent, was to consolidate, not to have one in front of Sushi Run, one in front of the movie theater, one in front of Cafe Divino, Thank you. It was those folks all working together because they recognized that their customers were having challenges parking, even to just go to the movie theater where the police department was also offering to put flyers in their windows so that the police department wouldn't ticket them if they went and parked in the parking lot number four. |
| 02:17:44.75 | Mayor Kelly | So what I hear is that right now you have no effective control over an entrepreneur on Caledonia Street setting up his own valet parking and doing what he desires to do, and only you might try to influence him, but you don't have a problem. It's illegal to do. It's illegal to have. Yeah, but I mean, you know, you're going to get in. So this gives us some power to do that. I have a couple things. Do you just make notes? Would you line up the definitions with the paragraph? |
| 02:17:55.60 | Councilmember Winer | but you don't have a. It's illegal. |
| 02:18:09.91 | Mayor Kelly | It was hard to read, okay, so that, for the final one. And then my question was, under penalties and enforcements, It said something about, let me get the language up here if I can. Um, |
| 02:18:29.87 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah, there it is. |
| 02:18:33.92 | Mayor Kelly | on the last page on the panel, and Mary, this may be a question for you, but it says that if they do bad, that we can It says convicted or something of Let's see what I'm going to say. You see what I'm saying? Who convicts them? Is that the right language? If they're found guilty, is that the right language? I mean, it just seemed to me that there's a, the parking, |
| 02:19:07.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:11.23 | Mayor Kelly | I think that sounds better because otherwise it sounds like there was a trial and a judge and all that stuff. Are there enough teeth from everybody's standpoint that you can go after people that violate the system? Somebody goes and takes somebody's green zone, white zone over. You okay with it. I think it's a great consolidation of an effort to try to control parking in the very as soon as I get worse as businesses get better. |
| 02:19:33.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:42.86 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah, I mean, my point here is more that you foresee all the unintended consequences because, you know, the restaurants on Bridge are going to ask for this, you know, right by the water. They're going to ask for this same thing. There is, you know, it's a reasonable distance to a public lot there. It is an unreasonable, you know, in terms of how long people are willing to wait for their cars in a... But that's their problem. So, I know. But, I mean, so it's going to roll all through. And if you're ready to deal with it, that's fine. |
| 02:20:03.12 | Unknown | about. |
| 02:20:03.39 | Mayor Kelly | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:20:03.46 | Unknown | I know. |
| 02:20:06.02 | Unknown | It's going to roll all through. And if you're ready to deal with it, that's fine. It's not perfect, and we know that, so we can fix it later. |
| 02:20:12.73 | Councilmember Winer | But my other point on this would be, it's nowhere on the priority calendar. And so In our discussions, we have to take something off to move something like this up. And that's great that the businesses came in. I'm all for it. Let's solve their problems. But something else has come off. So I don't know how it generated at the staff level to take up a bunch of staff time, But if it pushes off sewer laterals or because it's Jonathan's time, or if it pushed off Heath Way for Jonathan's time or shorelined it at restoration, you have to abide by the same rules that we do, right? The staff does in terms of where your time goes. just because this little squeaky wheel got in here and got people moving doesn't mean something else has to come off this list and that you should. |
| 02:21:01.48 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think that the council members and the public are just as capable as I am to look at our priority calendars and and look at one or several of the priorities there that deal with economic development and look at parking as one of the major contributors to our economic development, not just in generating revenue based on tickets, which we're trying to actually avoid, but actually looking in our efficiencies of how we park cars so that we bring more commerce to our community and have less impact on our residents that come home trying to park. There's no satisfaction unless we tow the car to the resident that comes home on Tourney Street or Pine Street to find a car sitting in front of their home with a ticket on it, they still have to go find another place to park and they're the ones that are out of the situation. So I think there's a win-win. So I think that, you know, we can even look at this as daily operations. How are we managing our parking lots? How are we most effectively? managing our parking lots and our parking system here in the city. Without a parking manager, which is something that we decided that we didn't see as a priority, we didn't hire one. after that position lay vacant for many years and we've reassigned that responsibility to the police department. And the police department working with the public works department and the community have come forward with a creative solution so I think it's the right use of staff time and I think it fits with several of the priorities of the city let alone the day to day operations where this would normally fall. |
| 02:22:27.57 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 02:22:39.59 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, anybody else in the council can comment on this? |
| 02:22:42.98 | Councilmember Weiner | No, other than the fact that I think it's time for this because, as I mentioned, a lot of people, there's a lot of events that go on at the churches, at the women's club and around town. And I think it's really if they knew that they had places that they could put their vehicles in, run a shuttle, they would do it. Other than that, what they do is they just tell them, come to the event and park all over the place. Find your own place. So we're actually not doing them any good term by not communicating with them and offering these options that they have. And I think it's way overdue. |
| 02:23:28.04 | Mayor Kelly | All right, anybody else? Okay, make a motion. |
| 02:23:34.53 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:23:36.29 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:23:36.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:38.13 | Councilmember Weiner | I make a motion to adopt the new section 15.30, regulating valet parking, and continue it to the 11-13-12 meeting for the second reading and adoption. |
| 02:23:56.08 | Unknown | I work, Mary. |
| 02:23:57.36 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, if it's the recommended motion to introduce and read, introduce and give first reading by title only of this ordinance repealing section 1504145. of the Municipal Code and adding the new Section 1530, regulating valet parking and to continue the public hearing, then we're good. We have to actually read the whole title. |
| 02:24:13.45 | Mayor Kelly | . |
| 02:24:15.62 | Councilmember Weiner | Okay. |
| 02:24:16.60 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. then. Um, |
| 02:24:19.05 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:24:19.94 | Mayor Kelly | have a second I'll second it. Call the roll. |
| 02:24:27.62 | Clerk | Council Member. Thank you. Can't remember Fyper? Yes. Councilmember Weiner? |
| 02:24:34.66 | Councilmember Weiner | Yes. |
| 02:24:35.92 | Clerk | I smear Liam. Yes. And Mary Kelly. Thank you. |
| 02:24:38.91 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:24:38.94 | Mayor Kelly | Thanks. |
| 02:24:39.60 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:24:40.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I'd like to break off. Oh, good. |
| 02:24:40.33 | Mayor Kelly | Mr. |
| 02:24:42.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:24:42.34 | Mayor Kelly | I was going to... Five-minute break, please. Yeah. Let's make it five if we can, since we're running way late already. |
| 02:24:43.23 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I was going to... Five minutes. Five minutes. |
| 02:24:45.29 | Unknown | break. |
| 02:24:45.64 | Les James | Thank you. |
| 02:24:45.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:24:45.97 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:24:45.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:24:46.08 | Andrew Davidson | Yeah. |
| 02:25:20.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:25:22.13 | Mayor Kelly | And the 2020 emissions reduction target. That's a mouthful. Andrew. |
| 02:25:29.75 | Unknown | There you go. |
| 02:25:30.68 | Andrew Davidson | Now for something a little different. Thank you. |
| 02:25:32.14 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:25:32.67 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 02:25:32.73 | Mayor Kelly | . . |
| 02:25:33.82 | Andrew Davidson | I'm sorry. I'd like to thank the mayor, city council. Are you the minister of funny walks? |
| 02:25:37.67 | Councilmember Winer | Are you the minister of funny walks? |
| 02:25:39.58 | Unknown | so. |
| 02:25:42.02 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 02:25:42.04 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:25:42.55 | Andrew Davidson | City Manager, Director of Public Works, and of course the Giants, for this opportunity to introduce the City of Sausalito's 2005 and 2010 Community-Wide Greenhouse Gas Emissions Inventory. |
| 02:25:42.63 | Unknown | Man, I just... |
| 02:25:46.87 | Unknown | to introduce the city. |
| 02:25:54.19 | Andrew Davidson | My name is Andrew Davidson. I'm staff engineer in your department of Public Works. I'll touch on the city's history to date, briefly present the inventory's findings, and talk about next steps. With us this long evening to present the inventory is Ms. Christine O'Rourke, Marine Climate and Energy Partnership Sustainability Coordinator. Ms. O'Rourke is the person who did the hard work in preparing this inventory, and is hanging with us, so I appreciate it. |
| 02:26:06.20 | Vicki Nichols | Ms. President. |
| 02:26:20.82 | Andrew Davidson | By way of a reminder, in February 2008, the City Council passed Resolution 4935, by which the City joined ICLEE and pledged to take a leadership role in promoting public awareness about the causes and impacts of climate change. The City also resolved to undertake the Cities for Climate Protection Campaign's five milestone process to reduce greenhouse gas emissions throughout the community. With your acceptance of the community-wide inventory, Milestone 1 will be complete. |
| 02:26:54.05 | Andrew Davidson | Milestone One is a greenhouse gas emissions inventory, which is itself composed of two parts. One, a local government operations inventory, and the second part, a community-wide inventory. In 2011, Sausalito partnered with ICLE, ABAG, and PG&E to conduct the local government operations inventory for baseline year of 2005. This was presented to the Council in June 2011. Table 1 here reproduces, reproduced from the local government operations inventory, shows its results. for 2005, local government emissions were approximately 1,760 metric tons. The majority of that, approximately 60%, resulted from the employee's commute. |
| 02:27:49.34 | Andrew Davidson | The second part of Milestone One is the community-wide inventory. ABAG, EGLE, and APG were not able to partner with the city for this. Fortunately, the Marine Climate and Energy Partnership, also MCEP, or known as MCEP, stepped forward to prepare the city's community-wide inventory. Ms. O'Rourke and MCEP performed this task at no charge to the city and, as the title of the inventory suggests, actually prepared two inventories, one for the year 2005 and another for 2010! This slide, reproduced from the community-wide inventory, shows the results for 2005 and 2010. In 2005, the community-wide total for the community was about 56,400 metric tons of emissions. In 2010, that was reduced slightly to approximately 54,400 metric tons. And Mrs. O'Rourke will go into this in a little more detail. |
| 02:28:58.60 | Andrew Davidson | Now I'd like to mention the next steps in the milestone process. This is a list of the Cities for Climate Protection Campaign's five milestones. We've got number one. Milestone two is to establish a greenhouse gas emissions reduction target for 2020. And milestone three to develop a climate action plan. With AB 32, the state of California set a goal that by 2020, the state would reduce its greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels. AB 32 does not require that local jurisdictions track their greenhouse gas emissions, nor do they need to meet the state's reduction target. That being said, the California Air Resources Board recognizes the role of local governments have in successful implementation of AB 32 and recommends a greenhouse gas reduction goal for local governments of 15% below 2005 emissions to be achieved by the year 2020. Now here's a list of other communities in Marin that have set a reduction goal of 15% or more. And the Sausalito Sustainability Commission endorses a greenhouse gas reduction goal of 15% by the year 2020. |
| 02:30:22.55 | Andrew Davidson | Milestone three is preparation of a climate action plan, the purpose of which is to lay out a way of reaching the 2020 greenhouse gas reduction Reduction goal. It would present actions, projects, and programs that Sausalito government operations and the community could take to meet this goal. Now it's sort of come up earlier, but it should be pointed out that the preparation of a climate action plan fell below the City Council's priority line, coming in 56 out of a total of 57 projects. Project 32 being the last project above this line. Fiscal impact will depend on Council's direction on future implementation of the Cities for Climate Protection Campaign's milestone process. Costs will include staff time associated with implementing the milestone process, potentially hiring a consultant to prepare a climate action plan, along with acting upon the climate action plan's recommendations. Before finally turning this presentation over to Ms. O'Rourke, I'd like to present the following recommendations. That you, the council, accept the 2005 and 2010 community greenhouse gas emissions inventory. That you establish a greenhouse gas emissions reduction target for 2020 of 15% below 2005 emission levels. And that the city requests assistance from REN Climate and Energy Partnership in preparation of a climate action plan. And now I'd like to ask Mr. Moore, Sustainability Coordinator of Marin Climate and Energy Partnership, to present the City of Sausalito's 2005-2010 Community-wide Greenhouse Gas Emissions Inventory. Is there a heart? |
| 02:32:05.56 | Christina Roark | Thank you, Andy. Does this? |
| 02:32:14.98 | Christina Roark | Thank you. Great. All right. Thank you very much. I'm Christina Roark, Sustainability Coordinator for the Marine Climate and Energy Partnership. MCEP was created in 2007. Our mission is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to AB 32 targets, which as Andy just said, is to reach 1990 levels by the year 2020. and that's statewide. Our members include 10 cities and towns in Marin County, the County of Moran, the Moran Municipal Water District, and the Transportation Authority of Moran. We leverage our member contributions with grants to develop greenhouse gas inventories for our members, climate action plans, and model ordinances, policies, and programs that are related to sustainability initiatives. This greenhouse gas inventory was funded in part by a grant from the Marin County Energy Watch in partnership with PJ&E. The greenhouse gas inventory that we've prepared for Sausalito is a community-wide inventory. and it calculates the emissions for these sectors that are here, the transportation, sector, residential, commercial, waste, water, wastewater, and off-road vehicles and equipment. We are tracking three greenhouse gases for the community-wide inventory. The first one most people are familiar with, which is carbon dioxide. The second is methane. It's 21 times more potent than carbon dioxide, and that methane results from the decomposition of waste in landfills and also from the processing and treatment of wastewater. And then the third greenhouse gas is nitrous oxide. It occurs in pretty small amounts, but it's got a global warming potential of 310 greater than carbon dioxide, so it's an important gas to track. Now the way we calculate emissions is to look at activity data. And this can be kilowatt hours of electricity that's consumed by buildings, terms of natural gas that's consumed to heat buildings or heat water, vehicle miles traveled on local roads and state highways, gallons of gasoline or diesel burned for vehicles or to power equipment, tons of waste disposed in the landfill, et cetera. And what we do is we take all the activity data and we multiply that by an emission factor that's specific to the fuel source. And then we balance those by the global warming potential of the greenhouse gas, and what we end up with is carbon dioxide equivalents, also usually expressed as metric tons. So it's a metric ton of carbon dioxide equivalents. Just so you can get an idea of what this is, this is a representation of the volume of one metric ton of carbon dioxide gas in the atmosphere. Now the inventory that we've done compares 2005 emissions, which is our baseline for community emissions, to 2010. And the bottom line is that the emissions went down by 3.4% between 2005 and 2010. Now it's important to realize that We're looking at a snapshot here of two years. We don't necessarily mean to imply that there's been a trend. that's gone steadily down between 2005 and 2010. Emissions could have gone up or down in the intervening years. However, I do have some data that I'll be showing you later on in the presentation that has trend line data. I'm going to go into each one of these sectors in a little bit more detail, but I just wanted to make a couple of observations. First of all, The transportation sector is the largest sector at 42%, and transportation emissions went down by about 3%. The next largest sector is residential, and that one is at 30% of the total, and that stay pretty much the same. And then the waste sector is the sector where we have the largest, excuse me, largest. decrease in emissions at 40%. |
| 02:36:50.46 | Christina Roark | Thank you. |
| 02:36:50.51 | Unknown | Thank you. It's not a fun to die. Thank you. Thank you very much. |
| 02:37:00.33 | Christina Roark | In the residential sector, what we're looking at is we're tracking electricity emissions and emissions from natural gas. And you can see here that the electricity use in the residential sector went up by about 2%, but the emissions actually went down by 9%. And that's for a few reasons. One is that the carbon intensity of the electricity that is produced by PG&E actually went down between 2005 and 2010. |
| 02:37:21.49 | Andrew Davidson | for some of the things that we're doing. |
| 02:37:28.14 | Christina Roark | The other reason is that in the middle of 2010, Sausalito residents started getting their energy from the Marine Energy Authority, or Marine Clean Energy. And that energy is actually 27% less carbon intensive than the PG&E electricity. So those two things combined actually bring the emissions down by 9%. Natural gas went up by almost 5%. And as you see here, the emissions also went up by 5%. That's because the emission factor for natural gas doesn't fluctuate. And one of the reasons that natural gas may have gone up is because 2010 was actually a cooler year than 2005 and could have required more heat to warm those buildings, the residences. In total, the emissions in the residential sector went up just slightly by about half a percent. In the commercial sector, electricity went down by 1%. And again, the emissions went down by a much greater rate, almost 17%, for the same reasons that I just mentioned in the residential sector. Natural gas actually went up quite a bit by 20, almost 23%. In aggregate, the emissions in the commercial sector went down by 3%. In transportation, you see that the vehicle miles traveled on both local roads and state highways went up slightly by about 0.6%. But the emissions went down by almost 3%. And that is for a couple of reasons. First of all, the fuel efficiency of vehicles, specifically vehicles powered by gasoline, actually went up a little bit between those two years. The other reason is that the carbon intensity of the transportation fuels is starting to go down a little bit. And so that's a factor in this as well. Here's one of those, what I was mentioning about having data that shows a trend line for the five years. This is countywide VMT. You have the state highways, other roads, and then city roads, and the green at the bottom. And the VMT was actually kind of trending down between 2005 and 2009, and then it rebounded in 2010. Off-road vehicles and equipment, what we're quantifying here is emissions from construction equipment and lawn and garden equipment. And the construction equipment, the emissions went down by about 33%. That's probably primarily due to the housing bust in 2006 and 2007. Lawn and garden equipment went down just a little bit by about 2% and all totaled emissions went down 17% in that sector. In the water sector, emissions went down 32%. That's for a couple of reasons. Water use actually has gone down quite a bit in South Salido and in the county. And then the other reason is, again, because of all the electricity that's used to collect, treat, and convey the water, that electricity, the carbon intensity went down. Also, MMWD started purchasing marine clean energy and they're getting light green electricity from MEA. So that is a factor as well. And here's a graph showing the MMWD per capita water use. And you can see that it went down. It was by 2009 and 2010. Actually went down about 16%. This graph is a little. It's not quite as dramatic as it shows in that graph. Because you're starting at 105 and going up to 145. |
| 02:40:59.01 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:40:59.28 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 02:41:04.97 | Christina Roark | And the wastewater emissions, the treatment emissions, this is based on the number of people. So that's actually flat. But the electricity use went down, again, for the same reason. People are using less water, so there's less water to process and to treat. And also the carbon intensity of Pg and electricity went down. So emissions from the wastewater sector went down almost 7%. And then finally, we have the waste sector. Here, the landfill, the total waste that went to the landfill went down by 38%, which is quite a bit in those five years. And so that's resulted in emissions that have been reduced by 40%. The other factor in this is that we're using less, landf, we're using less green waste as alternative daily cover, and that's what goes on to the landfill at the end of the day. So there's actually, they're beginning to compost that green waste. And here's a graph showing county-wide waste and the reductions. And that actually does start at zero, so that's a fair representation. And you can see that the landfill tons peaked in 2006 and have gone down to 2010. And this could be, the economy certainly is a factor here in why waste has gone down so dramatically. |
| 02:42:22.49 | Andrew Davidson | this |
| 02:42:30.83 | Christina Roark | So just to recap, emissions in the community inventory went down 3.4% between 2005 and 2010. And at that rate, Sausalito is on track to reduce emissions by 10% below 2005 levels by 2020. And as Andy mentioned, there's a recommendation to adopt a target that would be 15% below 2005 levels by 2020. That is in line with what most of the other cities and towns in Marin County have adopted and also is comparable to the goal, the targets FAB32. After selecting a greenhouse gas reduction target, the next step for this city would be to develop a climate action plan that would quantify emissions that would be reduced first by state actions, including the renewable portfolio standard and the Padley 1 requirements, which are going to increase vehicle fuel efficiency even more over the coming years and reduce the carbon intensity of transportation fuels. And then that Climate Action Plan would also identify and quantify reductions and programs and the associated reductions on the local level. And this is just a sampling of some of the local actions. Marine Energy Authority, which would be at the full rollout, and more people who may be signing up for 100% green electricity, for example, could have a big impact. Renewable solar hot water systems energy and efficiency for residences and commercial buildings improving pedestrian bicycle infrastructure to get people out of their cars and and to bike and and walk to their destinations, implementation of zero waste programs, and also, of course, conducting public outreach, and education to change behavior. So that's the end of my presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. |
| 02:44:33.24 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Any questions? Mr. Mayor, I have some questions. |
| 02:44:34.69 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:44:34.83 | Christina Roark | And I think that's a good thing. Thank you. |
| 02:44:35.09 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:44:35.18 | Christina Roark | question. |
| 02:44:35.55 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | See you. So how much time from staff would be required to to, I guess, generate the Climate Action Plan. |
| 02:44:46.50 | Christina Roark | Well, what we did for, we did the climate action plans for NCEP, and I wrote the climate action plans. We did six of them. It doesn't really require, I mean, as long as we have somebody from NCEP doing the work, it doesn't require that much work from staff. It's really just to, you know, to review the report and edit it and to, you know, help to kind of select the programs, but all of the quantification that's done and the writing of the program, the plan is done by MCEP. |
| 02:45:18.62 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So it doesn't require that much time because, I mean, like you heard earlier, this was a low priority and it wasn't ranked low because we don't |
| 02:45:26.41 | Andrew Davidson | low priority. |
| 02:45:30.77 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | It was linked low because we've got so many pressing issues. And so that was why I was asking specifically a range of how much staff time would be required to review the report, etc. |
| 02:45:46.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:45:46.75 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | you |
| 02:45:47.15 | Andrew Davidson | That's why we would ask MCEP to do it, because the amount of staff time would be absurd because of the learning curve that would be required. So I don't think there's an intent to have city staff do that report. |
| 02:46:00.99 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | No, okay, but then what would your role be? She mentioned reviewing the report. I mean, all of these things add up. So my question is how much staff time are we looking at here if you participated? |
| 02:46:15.50 | Andrew Davidson | The amount of time I reviewed the climate action plan, I'm sorry, the inventory here, |
| 02:46:22.13 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:46:24.44 | Andrew Davidson | eight hours a day tops, two or three iterations. |
| 02:46:30.32 | Councilmember Winer | Correct me if I'm wrong, Andy or Adam, the time is really going to be the implementation of what the action plan asks you to do over an extended period of time, which is, hopefully a good thing, right? |
| 02:46:46.00 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, can I just serve as a reminder, and I think it was in in Andy's presentation. You know, this is the work of the sustainability commission. So you have a commission that can also take on a lot of that responsibility and staff works with them. Andy works with them specifically, you know, so a lot of the editing and some of the review and talking about the program, the sustainability commission who hasn't been shy to come to a council meeting to ask for direction can do just that as they bring forward that they think make sense for our community, they can bring those reports to you to the council and with Andy's good guidance, you know, can give them support. |
| 02:47:27.52 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Right, but the spirit of my question is, again, going back to how much staff time, and what I heard was it was roughly eight hours for review and and Thank you. |
| 02:47:39.79 | Clerk | Thank you. |
| 02:47:39.89 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:47:39.94 | Clerk | Thank you. |
| 02:47:40.08 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. And my next question is, do we, could we have an example of an action plan, a climate action plan that has been created from another city? |
| 02:47:49.33 | Christina Roark | Yeah, as I said, we did six of them, and I can certainly get those to Andy and he can get them to the council. |
| 02:47:50.02 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Um, |
| 02:47:56.80 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, I wish I had an example of that because it would give me more, you know, context in terms of understanding what we could be getting. |
| 02:48:06.07 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:48:08.28 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah. Is the county aware that Sausalito, because it is a tourist town, in the summertime. that We have less cars coming into Sausalito now than we did before. That's because they're coming in by bicycle, and that's 320,000. By bus and shuttle, that's 250,000. And ferry, 550,000. And that might be some of those numbers that show that there's a decrease because of the changing of not coming in by automobile. |
| 02:48:49.13 | Christina Roark | um, you Thank you. That's possible. As I recall, the VMT actually went up a little bit on the local roads as well. So it's not a great measurement. It's done by the Highway Performance Formaturing System and it's not an exact number. The inventory did not quantify ferry emissions. I just want |
| 02:49:04.13 | Unknown | OK. |
| 02:49:14.41 | Councilmember Weiner | Okay. All right. Thank you. |
| 02:49:17.36 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I have two more questions. Thanks. So the climate action plan, I saw a reference earlier, you know, that they looked at commute times for city employees, example. But then the Climate Action Plan, it looked to apply to Olive Sausalito. Is that correct? Or just get clarification on that? |
| 02:49:38.15 | Christina Roark | Can you give clarification on that? The climate action plan that we're talking about having prepared for the city, it would look at community-wide and local government operations. |
| 02:49:50.83 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So my next question, and I have to ask this question because I saw a bag up there, is just to clarify that the Climate Action Plan will not involve housing. It's not looking at housing or something like that. |
| 02:50:02.74 | Christina Roark | Some of the In the climate action plans that have been developed, there were some emissions estimates that were made assuming that there would be some more compact housing, but that wouldn't have to be part of the plan if you didn't want it. |
| 02:50:21.37 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, thank you. Thanks. |
| 02:50:24.83 | Councilmember Winer | The only question that just reminded me is, you know, the sustainable community AB 375, is that somehow can we dovetail some of this information in our compliance with that? Is that, you know, as far as the action plan, It's just something to think about. That's not a can't claim to know the answer. If you know the answer, |
| 02:50:48.84 | Christina Roark | Yeah, I don't know exactly how it would affect your compliance, but it certainly would be a document that you could use. Put forward. Right. I mean, you know, the greenhouse gas inventories, I'm working with some of the other cities that are using it. They're doing an update of the general plan, for example. So the inventory is really helpful for them to have it when they're doing their analysis of their greenhouse gas emissions. |
| 02:50:52.99 | Councilmember Winer | That's good. put forward. Right. |
| 02:51:05.48 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:51:05.50 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:51:05.75 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:51:09.72 | Councilmember Winer | you |
| 02:51:13.45 | Christina Roark | Thank you. |
| 02:51:13.58 | Councilmember Winer | And one last question. So is Sausalito contributing to fund? Yes. Okay. I just wanted to make sure that's... Yes, the city did contribute to it. |
| 02:51:14.12 | Christina Roark | Thank you. |
| 02:51:14.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:14.19 | Christina Roark | Thank you. |
| 02:51:21.19 | Christina Roark | Yes, yes, and the city did contribute $2,000 is what the requested contribution is. |
| 02:51:28.01 | Councilmember Winer | Okay. |
| 02:51:29.04 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:51:29.17 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:51:30.51 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, any more questions? Thank you very much. I can report. Any public comment? |
| 02:51:45.09 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, 117 Caledonia. I did read this complete report. I was very interested in it, and I'm glad to see that we've made some progress. I wish we were going for 20 or 25%, but we're not San Rafael. San Rafael has a really good climate action plan, if you want to look at a good one. They have a really active sustainability committee that are hardcore. They're really, really going for it. But ours is very good, too, because we have the resources of someone that works in san francisco's um re re psychology program which he's a great advisor and doing really well with them but there's |
| 02:52:07.77 | Mayor Kelly | Ours is just slouch. |
| 02:52:09.64 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:52:22.57 | Vicki Nichols | The way I look at this is that a good part, I looked at the reaction of some of our community when we were going to get a program where we could start composting, and there was such resistance on some levels. The reality is we're going to have to reduce what we're putting in the landfills, period, all of us. So I think that a good component of education for the community, why we need to reduce these things, could be a part of this. There's also a great program that's going around that was developed again by San Rafael. It's called Resilient Neighborhoods, where you can volunteer to be like a hub of six or seven neighbors that meet with you periodically. You go over ways to reduce your light bulbs, your energy use, etc et cetera. And I'm not sure, but there were some funds that were available where you could get an inventory of your house. done for I think free, because it's still funds where they would come in and look about your windows your your insulation all kinds of things so there's all kinds of things we can be doing it's just connecting the dots but the county and the other cities, It's out there. It's just getting the information. |
| 02:53:37.05 | Mayor Kelly | All right, any other member of the public like to talk about this no all right we're going back up here let's see we need to basically accept the report I think is Do we need to vote on that? We just accept it. Okay, we accept it. |
| 02:53:53.54 | Unknown | I thought there was a resolution. |
| 02:53:54.01 | Mayor Kelly | It's a resolution. Thank you. |
| 02:53:57.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:53:58.08 | Andrew Davidson | There's three parts to this race. There's the accepting of the inventory. There's whether or not you'll select the reduction goal. And then ask MCEP to assist in preparation of a climate action. |
| 02:54:06.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:06.15 | Les James | Thank you. |
| 02:54:06.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:12.66 | Unknown | Oh, boy. He's lost my... Thank you. |
| 02:54:16.07 | Mayor Kelly | That's not in this bad place. |
| 02:54:18.06 | Unknown | So the |
| 02:54:18.60 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 02:54:21.84 | Mayor Kelly | Oh, it's on the screen. Oh, that's nice. No wonder I can't find it. Is it the end of one of those? There were seven attachments there. All right. So do we have a motion then on the first to accept? Yeah, some of them. |
| 02:54:22.67 | Unknown | Yeah, but there's a lot of people. You wanna know? |
| 02:54:26.02 | Unknown | You can't find it. Okay. |
| 02:54:29.74 | Councilmember Winer | the Thank you. |
| 02:54:30.58 | Unknown | There were seven of them. |
| 02:54:31.42 | Councilmember Winer | you |
| 02:54:39.19 | Mayor Kelly | Second. |
| 02:54:39.42 | Councilmember Weiner | Exactly. Thank you. |
| 02:54:40.06 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. All right, all in favor? Bye. |
| 02:54:41.57 | Councilmember Weiner | I... |
| 02:54:42.65 | Mayor Kelly | And a motion to establish. So moved. And we have a second. second All in favor? Thank you. |
| 02:54:48.67 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:54:48.69 | Mayor Kelly | Aye. |
| 02:54:48.70 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Bye. |
| 02:54:49.99 | Mayor Kelly | A motion to request assistance from Marin Climate and Energy Partnership. you Two moves. |
| 02:54:55.79 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have an amendment. |
| 02:54:57.63 | Mayor Kelly | You second? |
| 02:54:58.59 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have an amendment. |
| 02:54:59.07 | Mayor Kelly | Amendment. |
| 02:55:00.62 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | The amendment would be that it would not include housing and Yeah. |
| 02:55:13.31 | Councilmember Winer | Well, I think unless I'm mistaken for what she said, it's going to go off whatever is in our housing element as a function and also just what we get from their various data sources. I don't know. |
| 02:55:14.86 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:55:14.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:15.03 | Mayor Kelly | It's a way. |
| 02:55:19.13 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 02:55:26.00 | Mayor Kelly | I don't think we should put any limits on this. This is a state issue. She'll determine, and they will determine what is best for it. |
| 02:55:26.67 | Unknown | I don't think we should. |
| 02:55:28.55 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:55:28.65 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:55:28.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:28.76 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:55:28.80 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:55:31.42 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 02:55:31.97 | Andrew Davidson | determine |
| 02:55:32.66 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:55:32.70 | Andrew Davidson | because they will be- |
| 02:55:34.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I may add that she commented that we could set criteria with respect to how this would |
| 02:55:34.17 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:55:38.84 | Mayor Kelly | with research. No. No. Well, you make your amendment and we'll vote on it. |
| 02:55:44.58 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, I'll make my amendment. My amendment is to request to... I move to a substitute motion then, perhaps, request assistance from Marin Climate and Energy. Well, no, I'll do an amendment. Request assistance from Marin Climate and Energy Partnership in preparation of a climate action plan to explore all options except for staff housing. |
| 02:56:07.73 | Mayor Kelly | Do we have a second? Motion dies for Lockett and a second. |
| 02:56:12.54 | Councilmember Winer | you |
| 02:56:12.89 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:56:12.94 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:56:12.96 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:56:12.98 | Councilmember Winer | Yes. |
| 02:56:13.57 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:56:13.60 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 02:56:13.99 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, so now we need a motion to request assistance from Ren Climate and Energy Partnership in preparation of the Climate Action Plan. So moved. |
| 02:56:19.93 | Councilmember Winer | So moved. So I moved that. You have a few seconds. And I just want to know for the record that I had this above the line projects. So even though the rest of you made it below the line and I'm looking at it. He just did it. He just changed that. No, I'm looking at it right here. I'm looking at it right here. You're giving us a line. It's very important. |
| 02:56:22.17 | Mayor Kelly | Yep. for. |
| 02:56:28.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:28.28 | Mayor Kelly | Amen. |
| 02:56:32.75 | Councilmember Weiner | He just did that. He just changed that. No, I'm looking at it right here. I'm looking at it right here. You're giving us a line. Yeah. |
| 02:56:41.01 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah. |
| 02:56:41.31 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:56:41.41 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | It's very... |
| 02:56:41.70 | Councilmember Weiner | All right. |
| 02:56:41.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | All right. So we have motion and second. I have a comment. I have a comment. Like we would just have second. So Mr. Mayor. Okay. So, yeah, I'm concerned. I support this. I support a climate action plan, and I support education and community outreach with respect to what was mentioned earlier about going to neighborhoods and helping people be more energy efficient. Actually, when I was in Qashqai, Portugal, I talked with an organization that does just that. They go into homes and they help coach people about how to improve on energy and also save money. And I really support those programs. But I have very grave concerns with this with regards to it being used as a wedge for staff housing, for SB 375, for increasing density along our major thoroughfare, and that's why I'm very concerned about it. |
| 02:56:49.99 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:56:50.00 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:57:47.04 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:57:47.23 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | But every other option, every other solution that it would look at, I would be a strong supporter of it. And that is my opinion, respectfully. Thank you. |
| 02:57:47.24 | Unknown | And. |
| 02:57:54.83 | Mayor Kelly | Yep. All right. All right, Debbie, call the roll. |
| 02:58:03.07 | Clerk | Can I just get one clarification? |
| 02:58:04.96 | Mayor Kelly | Sure. |
| 02:58:05.43 | Clerk | Thank you. This does include the resolution that you attached to your staff report. |
| 02:58:12.13 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:58:12.15 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. |
| 02:58:12.18 | Clerk | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:58:12.22 | Councilmember Winer | Yes. |
| 02:58:12.54 | Clerk | Okay, so we're going to incorporate that you adopted a resolution in there. |
| 02:58:17.04 | Councilmember Winer | Correct. Right. The target of 15 percent and asking their assistance. |
| 02:58:20.57 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 02:58:20.67 | Clerk | All right. |
| 02:58:20.82 | Andrew Davidson | All right. |
| 02:58:25.51 | Clerk | Okay, Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 02:58:27.66 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:58:27.77 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | . |
| 02:58:27.91 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:58:31.52 | Clerk | Councilmember Winder. |
| 02:58:32.96 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. Yes. |
| 02:58:34.88 | Clerk | Vice Mayor Leone. |
| 02:58:36.13 | Councilmember Weiner | you |
| 02:58:37.33 | Clerk | Mayor Calum. |
| 02:58:38.07 | Mayor Kelly | Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, yes. All right, let's move on to EPA order. |
| 02:58:44.30 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you for coming and thanks for your hard work. Thank you very much. We look forward to working forward with you. Well, it's a lot of detailed work. We appreciate it. Thanks for staying so late. Sorry about that. You can blame me. Yeah. Everyone else does. |
| 02:58:45.36 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you very much. We look forward to working. What's a lot of detailed work. Thanks for staying. You can blame me. Yeah. And everyone else does. |
| 02:58:57.97 | Clerk | Thank you. |
| 02:58:58.03 | Mayor Kelly | All right, Jonathan, can you rush through this first? |
| 02:58:58.98 | Clerk | All right, Jonathan, can you you No, I still have one more question. City Attorney just brought it to my realization. |
| 02:59:02.44 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:59:03.75 | Mayor Kelly | Mm. |
| 02:59:10.40 | Clerk | Thank you. Hold on a second, let me pull it up. The resolution accepted the 2005 and 2010 community greenhouse emissions. It also set your emissions 15% below. |
| 02:59:11.75 | Councilmember Weiner | The Press. Absolutely. |
| 02:59:13.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:23.23 | Mayor Kelly | Correct. We kind of voted on those. |
| 02:59:23.85 | Clerk | We kind of voted on those. Do you want to vote? I want a clarification as to what Council Member Pfeiffer did. Did she vote no on the resolution? |
| 02:59:33.17 | Les James | Yes. |
| 02:59:34.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I voted, we broke it up into three different motions. I voted, excuse me, no, we voted, we've already gone through the voting process. We made a motion for number one. Okay. I'm not, I'm explaining what just happened, Mr. Mayor. |
| 02:59:37.28 | Clerk | Yeah. |
| 02:59:37.40 | Les James | Thank you. |
| 02:59:37.70 | Clerk | Thank you. |
| 02:59:37.74 | Les James | I voted accept. |
| 02:59:41.30 | Andrew Davidson | Bye. |
| 02:59:41.32 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:59:43.36 | Mayor Kelly | We made a motion for number one. I'm not. I'm excited. I know exactly what happened. So what we'd like to do is have another resolution, which is one single resolution approving, excuse me, another vote approving one single resolution, wrapping all three of these into one. I didn't realize there was a single resolution. Is it a single resolution? Is that how it's working? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So it should not have been bifurcated. So let's redo this motion. Do I have a motion to do the resolution as drafted? |
| 03:00:02.53 | Councilmember Winer | Is it good? Is that how it's worth it? Yes. Yeah. |
| 03:00:14.27 | Councilmember Winer | So it's a resolution of the city of Sausalito accepting the city of Sausalito 2005-2010 community greenhouse gas emissions inventory and setting a 2020 greenhouse gas emissions reduction target of 15% below 2005 emission levels. |
| 03:00:23.96 | Councilmember Weiner | Yeah. |
| 03:00:30.12 | Councilmember Weiner | second. |
| 03:00:30.79 | Mayor Kelly | I got a second and a motion. Debbie, would you call the roll? |
| 03:00:38.74 | Councilmember Winer | Council member. Just for clarity's sake, Mary, do we have to |
| 03:00:39.16 | Clerk | Council member. |
| 03:00:44.77 | Councilmember Winer | repeal the last vote or no? Yeah. I love her answer. |
| 03:00:48.34 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. Well, |
| 03:00:53.00 | Councilmember Winer | Since it wasn't really... Those resolutions weren't separate in the packet or... |
| 03:00:53.90 | Mayor Kelly | Because it wasn't really... You were in December. |
| 03:00:57.62 | Mary Wagner | or you you don't it would be cleaner if you did but the resolution in front of you includes all three of those so where I got confused as you said we're voting all of those and then we're also voting on the resolution but we can't have the vote written into the resolution the way it's drafted so let's |
| 03:01:01.94 | Councilmember Winer | Okay. that the resolution. |
| 03:01:03.73 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:01:05.35 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:01:05.42 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:01:05.44 | Councilmember Winer | Right. |
| 03:01:05.47 | Mayor Kelly | All right. |
| 03:01:06.65 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:01:06.67 | Mayor Kelly | Right. |
| 03:01:10.67 | Mayor Kelly | No, no. Right. So let's vote on the resolution as a whole and then go back and then feel it. |
| 03:01:17.62 | Mary Wagner | Which is the motion you have on the floor right now. |
| 03:01:19.53 | Mayor Kelly | Right. Okay. Okay. So that motion is on the floor. It's been moved and seconded. Debbie, would you call the floor? |
| 03:01:25.00 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So I have a clarification. So what is being discussed is even though I voted yes on the inventory and yes on the emissions target reduction and no on the last one, now they're going back and they're lumping them all together into one resolution. |
| 03:01:45.84 | Mary Wagner | They're all sent into one resolution in your packet. I understand. I understand. So here's the confusion, if I may, Council Member Pfeiffer. You voted individually, and then you also said, we want to adopt the resolution. We can't, they're inconsistent, so you either need to |
| 03:01:47.44 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I understand. |
| 03:02:00.94 | Mary Wagner | do something different with that vote on each individually or do something different with the resolution. That's all staff asking for clarification. |
| 03:02:06.32 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | asking for Thank you. Thank you. And, Council, I have a question. Follow up to that. Do you have a Council? Yes, I do. That's the old Council. Yes, I do. Mary, I have a question. Yes, ma'am. So we can go ahead and vote on the resolution, but what is wrong with leaving the vote standing as the different components of that resolution? Why can't we do both? |
| 03:02:10.32 | Mary Wagner | Do you make counsel? Yes, I do. Does the L counsel? Yes, I do. |
| 03:02:14.96 | Unknown | Yes, ma'am. |
| 03:02:15.64 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:02:26.88 | Mary Wagner | Can't we? Well, if you vote no on the resolution, then it's a different vote than you voted on those two issues. I think it's somewhat of a distinction without a difference. It's a very important distinction. It's up to the council on how you want to clarify your votes. What I'd like to be right |
| 03:02:35.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:38.17 | Unknown | it's a very |
| 03:02:38.71 | Mayor Kelly | important distinction. It's up to the |
| 03:02:40.01 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:02:40.02 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:02:40.04 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:02:43.89 | Mayor Kelly | What I'd like to hear right now is vote on this motion, then we can have a discussion about what we do with the other issue. So right now, would you call the roll, Debbie? |
| 03:02:54.75 | Clerk | Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 03:02:55.85 | Mayor Kelly | and |
| 03:02:55.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Abstain. |
| 03:02:59.04 | Clerk | Councilmember Weiner. |
| 03:03:00.66 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 03:03:02.26 | Clerk | Vice Mayor Leon. |
| 03:03:03.28 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. |
| 03:03:04.37 | Clerk | Mary Kelly. |
| 03:03:04.98 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. Now, I think we should go back and undo the vote and repeal Do you care? |
| 03:03:11.06 | Councilmember Winer | you have to make a motion, the people in the motion of the affirmative have to make a motion to I forget what you call it. It's a motion to reconsider. Reconsider, there you go. So. I'll make a motion to reconsider the prior three motions that were adopted previously the one we just voted on. So... of. |
| 03:03:33.01 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:03:33.03 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:03:33.04 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:03:33.08 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:03:33.13 | Mary Wagner | All right. |
| 03:03:33.21 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:03:33.23 | Mary Wagner | Claire? |
| 03:03:33.50 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:03:33.52 | Mary Wagner | you |
| 03:03:34.44 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And I have a question. |
| 03:03:35.90 | Mayor Kelly | Wait a minute. We're not done. Is that clear, Mayor? |
| 03:03:37.36 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. THE FAMILY. The action request is clear. |
| 03:03:42.02 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 03:03:42.26 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 03:03:42.73 | Mayor Kelly | So motion to reconsider. Second. All right. And I. |
| 03:03:46.49 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:03:46.51 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And I have a question, Mr. Mayor. So is there any reason why, I mean, because you were here when we were voting and we broke it up, is there any reason why we couldn't just leave it |
| 03:03:55.62 | Unknown | Is there easier? |
| 03:03:59.08 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | for the record as it stands. Because frankly for the record, I would like the record to show that I supported the first two bullets, but not the second. |
| 03:04:06.84 | Mary Wagner | I think the record is clear that that's what you did. These are the actions that you took on voting on those three separate items. are minute orders. Okay, thank you. The actions that you took on the resolution supersedes the minute order, but you abstained |
| 03:04:15.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, thank you. |
| 03:04:23.82 | Mary Wagner | on the resolution, so you don't have an affirmative vote on any of it, on the resolution, which is the official document. That's the document. The minute order is reflected in |
| 03:04:30.98 | Mayor Kelly | That's the document. |
| 03:04:34.39 | Mary Wagner | the minutes, but I think it's important for the Council to clarify that the resolution is the controlling action on what is going forward tonight. They're also, the direction, the majority direction is consistent. So I'm not troubled by that. I honestly think it's a question of how you want your record |
| 03:04:48.04 | Councilmember Winer | Bye. |
| 03:04:52.22 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:04:52.24 | Councilmember Winer | I think for clarity's sake, and it has nothing to do with Linda's point of view, but because it was in the packet as one separate motion, the public who got a chance to read it was in that one motion. |
| 03:04:52.29 | Mary Wagner | to return. |
| 03:04:57.60 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:05:07.58 | Councilmember Winer | So, and there actually is nothing in the resolution about the action plan. |
| 03:05:14.58 | Mary Wagner | So technically you have minute orders approving those. There is in the resolution it says request the assistance from MCEP for help in preparation of the Climate Action Plan, Milestone 3. Okay. That's what I do. So here's what your record is going to look like. |
| 03:05:15.78 | Councilmember Winer | I'm not sure. |
| 03:05:15.86 | Vicki Nichols | . |
| 03:05:15.91 | Councilmember Winer | Bye. |
| 03:05:16.03 | Vicki Nichols | So, |
| 03:05:23.96 | Andrew Davidson | Okay. |
| 03:05:24.69 | Unknown | Thanks, Laura. |
| 03:05:27.98 | Mary Wagner | Minute order, minute order, minute order. Resolution repeal of prior three minute orders because the resolution controls. So the record of what happened will be clear. Thank you. |
| 03:05:36.20 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Move repeal of previous minute orders. |
| 03:05:36.37 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:05:39.89 | Mary Wagner | So they'll still show up in your action minutes. Thank you. Thank you. And then we'll go from there. Okay. Thank you. But we understand what our March version is. All right. Did we call the roll on that one? |
| 03:05:39.96 | Mayor Kelly | So they'll still show up in your action mix. Thank you. Thank you. And then we'll go for it. Thank you. |
| 03:05:44.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:05:44.11 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 03:05:44.72 | Clerk | Thank you. |
| 03:05:44.77 | Mayor Kelly | We understand. All right, good to be cool. Thank you. |
| 03:05:48.20 | Clerk | Councilmember Fiverr. |
| 03:05:50.14 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I've heard. No. |
| 03:05:54.51 | Clerk | Councilmember Weiner. |
| 03:05:56.14 | Councilmember Weiner | Yes. Yes. That was spelled sometimes with a K. Yes. Yes. |
| 03:05:58.84 | Clerk | That's very loud. |
| 03:06:00.46 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:06:01.06 | Clerk | Mary Kelly. |
| 03:06:01.10 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Yes. All right. We'll move on to the EPA. Hey. Thank you. |
| 03:06:15.75 | Councilmember Winer | you you |
| 03:06:16.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:18.57 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:06:29.34 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Jonathan Goldman, Mayor of Public Works Director. Thank you. Bless you. For what? I do. It was even late mail today. |
| 03:06:32.39 | Councilmember Weiner | I should. |
| 03:06:41.89 | Jonathon Goldman | I apologize for this not being in the packet. I overlooked it before I jetted off to academic success with the head of the trials for one of my officers. Okay. This actually is kind of long to be a brief update. I've emailed it to members of the council and made handouts of the slides available. They're available to anyone who wants to contact me to get them. |
| 03:07:14.58 | Councilmember Winer | SPEAKER 1, you put them up on the website. Thank you. |
| 03:07:17.92 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:07:17.95 | Councilmember Winer | Yes. |
| 03:07:18.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Good. They will go on the website. |
| 03:07:21.04 | Councilmember Winer | Can we attach these to the agenda posts so that people can access them? |
| 03:07:22.21 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:07:27.47 | Unknown | No, after the fact, I mean. Yes. |
| 03:07:27.77 | Councilmember Winer | No, after the fact, I mean. Yes. |
| 03:07:30.24 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 03:07:30.44 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:07:31.07 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And just to clarify that too, the PowerPoints from all the presentations will be shown on the agenda after the meeting. Thank you. |
| 03:07:40.58 | Jonathon Goldman | Very quickly, we currently have one vacancy in wastewater maintenance, and because we hired within the last year round numbers, we still have a viable list. We still have one employee on probation who's, I think, going to work out very well, a gentleman who was introduced to council previously. Over the last year, we cleaned 49.1 miles of pipe total, more than 86% of the system, plus repeat cleaning for pipes on the three month and six month hot spot list. For everyone at home who's been wondering the answer to this question, we do not use chemical root control in our sewer system. There are communities that do, and there are aquatic herbicides that are approved for use in sewers, but we don't use them. We use mechanically, we use mechanical equipment to cut roots. Our most recent quarterly report for sanitary sewer overflows in the last quarter to public, to private. |
| 03:08:25.39 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:08:49.43 | Councilmember Winer | Is that Herb's house number four right there? |
| 03:08:52.18 | Councilmember Weiner | The one right above number three. |
| 03:08:52.84 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:08:54.43 | Jonathon Goldman | All four of those overflows were a result of basically structural failures, broken pipes. Mr. Jonathan, |
| 03:08:54.51 | Councilmember Winer | I'll... |
| 03:09:02.88 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Jonathan, should we ask questions as you go, or should we hold our questions? |
| 03:09:07.15 | Jonathon Goldman | Any questions? |
| 03:09:07.37 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. Hold them to the end, please. I'm sorry. |
| 03:09:11.57 | Unknown | Oh, my God. |
| 03:09:11.59 | Mayor Kelly | you |
| 03:09:12.65 | Jonathon Goldman | I'll try to remember to remind you that you had a question. One of those I think is fairly significant and I can show you on the map. This area here which had a relatively large red circle from the January 5, 2003 through August 10, 2008 data set for overflows. We had two overflows in that location, August 6th and 7th, and after diligently verifying what the what the cause was, realized we really needed to replace that fine segment. So we did that work between September 24th and October 5th. These are just some statistics from our annual report. Number of SSOs through time, total spill volume released towards the United States, and then this is a categorization depending on the magnitude of the spills. One of the trends that I think is here is that we are responding, I think, more comprehensively when we receive a report of an overflow, whether it's private or public, and have actually been able to reduce the volume of sewage, untreated wastewater that's getting into the storm drainage system, which qualifies as waters of the United States. We're still continuing to have events, and in this case, sometimes some significant volumes. That's usually a function of how long it takes between when the water is getting into the |
| 03:10:12.66 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:10:52.05 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. we find out about it and when we think it probably started. Um, Some of those activities or some of the benefits that we have been able to accomplish have to do with the fact that you and our right payers gave us the benefit of some full-time credentialed wastewater maintenance workers. So we have been able to do a significant amount more maintenance, more intensive maintenance, more comprehensive maintenance, and as you'll see in a minute, also do a better job of comprehensively |
| 03:11:14.41 | Andrew Davidson | you |
| 03:11:14.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:11:14.63 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:11:21.48 | Unknown | you |
| 03:11:30.74 | Jonathon Goldman | cleaning and inspecting pipelines and then identifying and reprioritizing our repair efforts. There is a mandatory set of acronyms for this process. NASCO PAC-P is a pipeline assessment certification program. These ratings are used to standardize the pipeline condition. These data are from the 2010 report, basically indicating that |
| 03:11:54.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:11:54.43 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:12:02.75 | Jonathon Goldman | you know, percentages of the system that have certain categories of defects. One of the more important things, to me anyway, is that with the council action in May, we purchased a couple of fairly sophisticated closed-circuit television inspection cameras, with training on the NASCO PAC-P condition assessment methodology and integration with our asset management software. in my judgment with the staff that we have now and their training and equipment, we can perform efficient comprehensive inspection and assessment of condition as well or better than any vendor available to us or South Saluto City residents. That wasn't always the case. I'll kind of fly through these. We have, as Council's well aware, a long list of identified capital improvement priorities and frankly we're behind in constructing those. We're still behind in constructing those. The two that are the biggest or the most significant in dollar terms and highest priority, the Spinnaker Anchor Pump Station Rehabilitation Project. Just to remind you, we had actually previously bid it and had made a tentative award. |
| 03:13:14.03 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:13:29.07 | Jonathon Goldman | for some reasons having to do with the state revolving fund as well as just the length of time that took place between when that project was originally bid and the present we decided to re-bid it and we are now opening bids on october 30th and i expect to have construction completed on that approximately one million dollar project by early next year, May of 2013. We have completed some of these projects. We're going to Woodward to Toyin is important because we were fined for repetitive overflows there. I'll just skip through these. Some other priority capital projects that have been identified in the last couple of years based on hydraulic modeling of the sewer system are actually pipeline capacity issues. Nevada Street needs to be upsized to a larger pipe segment in Coloma. Gate 5 Road is another project that is our next highest priority in the design process. That remains in the final design phase, but we're still going through another alternative technology evaluation there and have to integrate that work with storm drainage work to the extent that we can find funds for it in that area. And that's where the Heathway project reconstruction comes in and ideally the opportunity to reconstruct pavement and maybe even curb gutter and sidewalk along that. |
| 03:14:25.79 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:15:10.67 | Jonathon Goldman | road segment so that we're in and out of there and things are in really good condition for a while. Issues and opportunities, the state revolving fund process is certainly absolutely necessary. It gives us access to loans at 3%, the debt service on which is built into our current rates, but it's a pretty significant administrative burden to deal with. The contract documents for Spinnaker Anchor, for example, disadvantaged business enterprise requirements and things like that, which are all for good purposes still create a burden for us. Fortunately, I think we have good help with the staff at Division of Financial Assistance and Department of Water Resources now, and I'm confident that we'll be able to better take advantage of that program going forward. Three of these issues, the lateral grant program, sewer ordinance revision, and then policies regarding facilities in the public right-of-way are all areas that Council has given us budget to include in |
| 03:16:04.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:16:25.60 | Jonathon Goldman | consulting services that we have not yet advertised for but will go out for to take a look at our current rates, understanding that the current rate schedule flattens out within a year or two, and then also the opportunity to get some professional, some consulting advice on strong grain asset replacement funding. Another area that I think we stand to benefit in the short term from is some program management expertise. We have been doing an adequate job with city staff. One of our lead consultants, Vivian Housen, who was a vice president with West Yost Associates, has left West Yost and is on her own. And under the present circumstances, I've approved reallocation of some budget to allow her to assume a stronger program management role to help the city get these projects delivered. |
| 03:17:29.47 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:17:29.81 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. you know, more quickly than I've been able to. Any questions? |
| 03:17:40.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I have a question. |
| 03:17:41.22 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:17:42.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So thank you, Jonathan. Thank you for your hard work and your efforts on this, and thank your team, too, for all the hard efforts they've been working on, because I know it's a lot of work. Your earlier slide where you were sharing with us the category of the spills, like the early in the – yep. So I'm just curious for 2011 through 2012, does that show seven SSOs? And where were those SSOs? Let me ask a different question. Were any of those SSOs located in the Old Town area, or they were all outside? |
| 03:18:28.30 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm sure there were some in the old town. |
| 03:18:32.31 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Do you know how many of those seven were in Old Towns? |
| 03:18:35.15 | Jonathon Goldman | Not off the top of my head. There is a map in the... There are a couple of maps, and I can certainly get you there. |
| 03:18:43.45 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. And I'd like the same information for the rest of the years, too, with respect to Old Town. And then there was a map before this slide. |
| 03:18:43.48 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:18:58.17 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | where it was showed number four. Yes. |
| 03:19:00.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:19:05.25 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I wasn't clear with this map, and just for the record, we didn't get this PowerPoint slide before the council, so I'm just kind of trying to read this. What happened with 4? What was that in the Old Town area? And where was that located? Was that a spill? |
| 03:19:23.04 | Jonathon Goldman | They're all stills. Yeah, I'm sorry. It was a, yeah. I would have to refer to the report for specifics. This is just one graphic from this particular quarterly report, the most recent quarterly report. So if you're interested in that level of detail, the easiest thing for me to do would be to give you access to all of our quarterly reports. OK. |
| 03:19:24.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, I'm sorry. |
| 03:19:43.54 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. |
| 03:19:44.17 | Jonathon Goldman | the last five years. |
| 03:19:45.92 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, thanks. And then my last question was on Project 2B, which is the main street. |
| 03:19:57.73 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, and it's my understanding that this summary of this project is different from the spills that were shown. In other words, there's no relation. This is specifically, is this working on the, I think you called it the bridge main or the |
| 03:20:19.23 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, this is a capital project that's been identified as a priority because of, well, primarily because the facilities are under the bay. |
| 03:20:19.25 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 03:20:33.22 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Right, no, I gotcha. Just wanted to clarify. |
| 03:20:33.24 | Jonathon Goldman | Right, no, I got you. Just wanted to clarify. Potential environmental risk. We have not seen any spills there. Yeah. But in my judgment, it is only literally a matter of time. |
| 03:20:40.11 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah. |
| 03:20:44.41 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Right. So you've got this and then you've also got I'm interested in the spill data. So those were my questions. Thanks, Jonathan. |
| 03:20:53.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:20:53.71 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:20:55.70 | Councilmember Winer | I had a question on your, which is worse on the graph, the table that you had. Which in this, another one we've, yeah. Is, which number is worse in the far right, a five or a four? |
| 03:21:09.57 | Jonathon Goldman | That's the total number of overflows above a certain volume. |
| 03:21:14.51 | Councilmember Winer | Above a certain volume, yes. And then in the table of the NASCO PECP, which again, which is the, you have 53X, which in terms of this is like it's a condition of the system. So which is the best condition and which is the worst, you know, in terms of the percentages. Is it the top 9.5 is the best condition or the 3X is the best condition? |
| 03:21:24.79 | Jonathon Goldman | THIS ONE. |
| 03:21:33.16 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:21:38.61 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:21:39.88 | Jonathon Goldman | out. |
| 03:21:43.96 | Jonathon Goldman | Or is that reading it wrong? No, I think I was sick that day or something so I didn't get the training. But I think that because we're, there's just one condition |
| 03:21:44.52 | Councilmember Winer | Or is that? |
| 03:21:53.41 | Jose Miguel Gil | I'm not sure. |
| 03:21:54.04 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:21:54.69 | Jose Miguel Gil | Uh, |
| 03:21:55.18 | Unknown | But... |
| 03:21:55.45 | Jose Miguel Gil | So, |
| 03:21:55.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:21:56.09 | Jose Miguel Gil | Thank you. |
| 03:22:01.17 | Unknown | Uh, |
| 03:22:05.31 | Jonathon Goldman | or below structural defect as opposed to three or more. Right, right. I'm thinking that these are the worst. And the fact is that 22% of the system with a pipe segment with up to two PECP5 structural defects sounds pretty undesirable. |
| 03:22:07.77 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:22:09.66 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:22:09.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:09.71 | Councilmember Winer | Right. |
| 03:22:13.22 | Councilmember Winer | Of course. |
| 03:22:13.90 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:22:18.76 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:22:18.77 | Mayor Kelly | Right. |
| 03:22:26.32 | Councilmember Winer | Bye. Exactly. |
| 03:22:26.66 | Mayor Kelly | Oh, that's ominous. |
| 03:22:27.33 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:22:28.31 | Mayor Kelly | Yeah. |
| 03:22:28.36 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:22:28.50 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:22:28.56 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:22:28.65 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:22:29.52 | Councilmember Winer | And the last question is what's the current, you know, for a while we just couldn't get the money out of the state. So what is the, the administrative burden is one thing, but just getting the money period, has that changed at all as far as the state budget scenario and how, and then their willingness to just put these loans out there? |
| 03:22:30.62 | Mayor Kelly | And, and, uh, |
| 03:22:31.53 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:22:45.45 | Unknown | and |
| 03:22:46.03 | Jonathon Goldman | No. |
| 03:22:46.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:49.22 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. To my knowledge, the issue was never that the funds weren't available. Right. And I'm confident, given that we have an unconditional funding commitment from the state for the Spinnaker Anchor Project right now, and a commitment to, once we open the biz, to evaluate them with us to ensure that the disadvantaged business enterprise pieces and the good faith effort pieces allow us to identify responsive and responsible bidders in the best possible way. That is part of their what they call approval of award process. And I have personal commitments from them to help us get there. And then that project is funded. Right. The subsequent projects, I'm sorry. No, go ahead. The subsequent projects, for example, one of the issues that delayed us after the state delayed us, one of the issues that delayed us with Spinnaker Anchor. Some were just simply errors on the city's part. But others were the state requires certification that we have the legal right either |
| 03:23:30.12 | Les James | Amen. |
| 03:23:41.24 | Councilmember Winer | Right. No, just not. |
| 03:24:08.73 | Jonathon Goldman | public right of way or ownership and fee title or an easement to allow us to lay and maintain a sewer in a given segment in perpetuity. We had to do some work to make sure that we had that with even that project. Gate 5 Road is more complex from a right of way perspective. So we've learned that lesson and that tells me that we need to make sure we have the right expertise involved in designing and delivering the project |
| 03:24:23.33 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:24:23.41 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:24:23.74 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:24:32.73 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. |
| 03:24:37.39 | Councilmember Winer | Right, so is that, you know, it's kind of, it sounds to me a little bit like grant writing where it, if you don't do it all the time, you're not so good at it and |
| 03:24:37.56 | Jonathon Goldman | Right. |
| 03:24:37.64 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:24:46.80 | Councilmember Winer | Is that what the new role for the woman from West Yost is going to play? Not just project management as it's construction wise, it's more just shepherding it through the whole state process. Is that correct? Absolutely. That's great, because that's a nightmare. And it's probably one of those things you're better off leveraging somebody else's expertise. So, you know, that's great. I think so too. |
| 03:24:57.64 | Andrew Davidson | Chris. |
| 03:25:08.60 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:25:08.66 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. |
| 03:25:08.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:25:08.88 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:25:08.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:25:08.93 | Mayor Kelly | Any more questions? Thank you, Jonathan. Um... Any member of the public care to comment on this issue? Seeing none, we'll move on. |
| 03:25:17.78 | Councilmember Winer | I'm sorry. Just Jonathan, just the availability of funds, that's not a problem anymore, whereas the state was kind of sitting on money for a long time. It's not a problem to the best of my knowledge. |
| 03:25:26.48 | Mayor Kelly | with. |
| 03:25:29.01 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:25:29.26 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. All right. Moving along to item 6C. approval of Fourth Amendment, the deployment agreement for city manager. There's no presentation on this. It's a matter of, oh, there is a presentation. |
| 03:25:45.06 | Mary Wagner | Good evening Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council. I'm comfortable this evening to present the staff report recommending approval of the Fourth Amendment of the City Manager's Employment Agreement. I'm comfortable to recommend it because the employment agreement is consistent with the City Manager Compensation Guidelines promulgated by the League of California Cities. Those that makes me comfortable to recommend it should make the city council comfortable in approving it. Because these guidelines recommend compensation have four guidelines. First, that the increase be comparable with increases that other managers receive, intercity and intra-city. The guidelines have nothing to do with, that are solely for the city manager's personal self-benefit. The fiscal sustainability of the city is not in danger and that the compensation increase be transparent in the way you enact it. So let's just briefly look at those four guidelines in more detail. comparable intercity and intracity compensation. The fourth amendment to the employment agreement is providing the city manager no more or no less than what was enacted by the city council for the other labor groups, SEIU, police, and unrepresented managers and confidential employees. That was a cost of living increase offset by employees paying a portion of the employer share of pension costs which netted 3.2% increase over three years. For the city manager's employment agreement, that's a three year total of $6,317 or about $175.47 a month. The Fourth Amendment further provides the city manager with longevity pay for over 10 years of service of three quarters of 1% for a total of $4,508 over the three years. But I want to point out that these modest increase for all the city's labor force were offset and bought and brought about the most comprehensive labor reform recently enacted in Marin County. That labor reform consisted of wage reform, pension reform, substantial OPEB reform and healthcare reform. And speaking of the other 11 cities in Marin County, this compensation agreement will have our city manager being the third lowest in Marin County, while we remain one of the best managed cities in Marin County. The second guideline is compensation is not self-benefiting. solely for the city manager's own benefit or for his own self-aggrandizement. It was comparable to other managers. It's no more or less than what other managers in the city are getting and it's noticeably less than Marin City managers, so it's easy to conclude that the city manager is not seeking any component of compensation that solely benefits himself. It's entirely comparable with what everyone else got. The third guideline is fiscal sustainability. The city budgeted for all the employee labor costs and two-year plan adopted by the city council. Budget is balanced and continues the excellent level of service that the city has been provided to its citizens. It provides for substantial capital improvement and it maintains adequate reserves. All of this emerging from the worst recession since the Great Depression. Nothing in this Fourth Amendment jeopardizes our fiscal future. And the fourth guideline was transparency. |
| 03:29:03.02 | Andrew Davidson | THE END OF |
| 03:29:19.54 | Mary Wagner | The city manager provided his total compensation package to the City Council for their deliberations. It's tonight's public meeting, considering and approving the Fourth Amendment, demonstrates the transparency of the issues related to city manager compensation. So in conclusion, and because the city manager's compensation is consistent with those guidelines set forth by the League of California Cities, comparable, not self-aggrandizing, fiscally sustainable, and enacted transparently, I recommend that the City Council approve the Fourth Amendment to the City Manager's Employment Agreement. Okay. |
| 03:29:56.71 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I have a question. |
| 03:29:57.42 | Mary Wagner | I have a question. Mr. Charlie, we have a question. |
| 03:30:00.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | What are the two cities that fall below |
| 03:30:00.42 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Thank you. Santa and Salmon, third things. |
| 03:30:05.18 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | San Anselmo and Fairfax. And what are their salaries? |
| 03:30:12.56 | Mary Wagner | I have their total compensation 12,890 a month for Fairfax, 15,891 for St. and South. |
| 03:30:23.65 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So do you have their annual base salary is what I'm asking? |
| 03:30:28.86 | Mary Wagner | $10,471 a month for Ferris and Facts, $13,230 a month for San Enselmo. |
| 03:30:38.43 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:30:42.65 | Mayor Kelly | Any other questions? All right. Any public comment on this matter? Okay, seeing none, I'll bring it back to the council. Three minutes. |
| 03:30:55.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, first I would like three minutes for Councilmember Carolyn Ford. |
| 03:30:59.52 | Vicki Nichols | Yeah. |
| 03:30:59.54 | Mayor Kelly | Bye. |
| 03:30:59.56 | Unknown | for Carolyn Ford. |
| 03:31:00.68 | Mayor Kelly | I know. |
| 03:31:00.97 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:31:01.06 | Mayor Kelly | you |
| 03:31:01.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:31:02.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'd like to read into the record for Councilmember Carolyn Ford. |
| 03:31:06.56 | Mayor Kelly | Sorry, you will get three minutes for yourself, and then we will have one minute rebuttals. That's the way the process works. If Council Member Ford were here, she could have her three minutes, but you cannot decrete her three minutes. That's my ruling. |
| 03:31:20.68 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I just think that really it does not help in terms of open government. |
| 03:31:22.56 | Mayor Kelly | Well, you may not like it. I believe open government is well served for that. |
| 03:31:27.87 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | to give three minutes to let a sick council member |
| 03:31:29.71 | Mayor Kelly | Do you want your three minutes or do you not want your three minutes? Hold on. Do you want your three minutes or don't you? |
| 03:31:39.02 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I will take my three minutes, Mr. Mayer. |
| 03:31:40.56 | Mayor Kelly | Exactly. Turn it on. |
| 03:31:43.45 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. Well, I appreciate our city manager. I cannot support this raise for several reasons, but primarily because this is the third substantial pay increase in five years during the worst Economic downturns since the Great Depression. Adam, you know I appreciate you. I know you work hard. I've given you that positive feedback. You'll recall that I also had concerns and voted against the 2011 pay increase, which increased the salary over $800 a month. In addition, and at that time, other city staff did not get raises. And in 2009, the council raised the city manager salary again by over $1,100 a month. and just the year council raised the city manager salary again by over 1100 a month and Just the year prior raised the city manager salary by 680 a month now we're bumping up into a Thank you. the $200,000 zone and it's happening while the city manager's scope of personnel oversight with annexation has decreased. In addition to the questionable application of the 10-year longevity bonuses rationale, I've yet to see performance objectives from city management. Performance objectives would allow me to assess accomplishments per success criteria, which is the way it's done in the private sector. I do know the city of Carmel now has performance objectives. And, of course, I've asked city management for performance objectives, but then, of course, the feedback I have gotten is that they need to come from the council. When I've asked the council majority to help set performance objectives, I've been told that they need to come from city manager. So it feels like this ping pong over the last four years. Without performance objectives, every accomplishment is an A plus because everything's a status report of progress. And although that's great and you've made excellent accomplishments, Adam, you've just done a very good job. At the same time, I'm used to having performance objectives by which to assess. So while I appreciate very much the hard work, I can approve the increase. I think we need to be taking a hard look at this with respect to the environment and the economy. We are in a very great recession, and I think we need to kind of recalibrate as such. So thank you. |
| 03:34:24.50 | Mayor Kelly | next. |
| 03:34:25.97 | Councilmember Weiner | well. I read three or four letters here that were sent to us. One of them says here, we were promised cost savings from outsourcing on fire emergency services. That fire consolidation or annexation because of being brought to a vote. by... to council people. to force us to vote, cost the city only approximately $400,000 due to overtime and workers' costs. |
| 03:35:09.31 | Councilmember Weiner | All of these people that vote letters, and I know Every one of them had a no on D sign in front of their house. And that also goes for council woman. Council Member Pfeiffer's House also. You know, you give me a perfect example of how someone will chase pennies when dollars go out the door. and your ability for business sense doesn't make any sense. |
| 03:35:39.90 | Councilmember Winer | Okay, can I speak? Charlie, can I ask you a quick question? The numbers that are in the staff report are those loaded costs or are those straight compensation? Those are just straight dollars, right? |
| 03:35:56.64 | Mary Wagner | the 2007, the |
| 03:35:59.12 | Councilmember Winer | You have two categories. Right. Those are just the incremental new dollars. Okay. And we're talking in a comparable comparison for the 2012-13 compensation number to compare these against is what? |
| 03:36:01.04 | Mary Wagner | Right. |
| 03:36:05.03 | Mary Wagner | So and we're talking in a |
| 03:36:17.50 | Mary Wagner | I don't understand. |
| 03:36:18.66 | Councilmember Winer | You have two categories, one and two. Yes. And what's the, what am I, that's the increase. |
| 03:36:21.87 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 03:36:27.89 | Mary Wagner | Oh, okay, so the 1.4% is an additional $2,737 the first year from the COLA, less the offset for payment of the employer's share pension. Yeah, I didn't ask that. |
| 03:36:41.07 | Councilmember Winer | Right. Player share. Yeah, I didn't ask it clear enough for my problem. Of the sum of $4,000, $4,224 for this particular year. that's over an increase over what of the prior year? So the percentage increase is the the total percentage increase is what? See what I'm saying? If you add the two categories together. |
| 03:37:01.56 | Mary Wagner | You know, I did that calculation at my desk for the total of the three years, it's 4%. |
| 03:37:09.12 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:37:10.06 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:37:10.13 | Councilmember Winer | it. |
| 03:37:10.40 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:37:10.42 | Councilmember Winer | Total of three years. Total, not average. Okay. Not each year. No. Yeah. 4% total over three years. Right. Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:37:13.71 | Mary Wagner | Not even. Thank you. I'm not sure. |
| 03:37:21.18 | Mayor Kelly | I'm saying. |
| 03:37:21.64 | Jose Miguel Gil | Thank you. |
| 03:37:22.94 | Councilmember Winer | Well, that, you know, To me, it's funny reading. It's not funny. It's interesting reading some of the letters that there are hundreds of people that are qualified for this, and you don't need to keep quality people around. It's a tough economy. It's always hard to find quality people, and you pay what you You get what you pay for Um, And I think, if Charlie, correct me if I'm wrong, that this brings Adam is still in the lower... quarter of city manager compensation in Marin after these increases. That's correct. So we're not doing anything out of norm. This isn't, what was the community in Southern California? This isn't Bell. This is giving somewhat a total increase of 4% over the next three years. I wish I could employ quality people who that's all they expect over the next three years. You cannot find any human being of quality that thinks I'm going to survive on a 4% cost of living over the next three years. So at least in the weird world that I, in the tech world that I unfortunately function in, where the salaries make absolutely no sense anyway. But this, you know, you get what you pay for. We have, Adam's done an excellent job. He has an annual review every year where we sit down with an outside Um, facilitator and review his accomplishments. Same thing for the city attorney, which are the only two people we directly hire. So we go through this process every year. So there's oversight. It's within what's happening with other employees in terms of the bargaining agreement that we got that is a tremendous accomplishment. It's truly... went through. So there is no Fire in the barn here. This is actually, we're lucky to have a quality individual running our city who's willing to work for what we can afford to pay. Usually we would have lost somebody like this to a much larger city much sooner. Thank you. |
| 03:39:40.40 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:39:40.66 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:39:41.35 | Councilmember Weiner | time. |
| 03:39:43.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:39:43.10 | Mayor Kelly | You want to say something else? |
| 03:39:44.13 | Councilmember Weiner | Just quickly, just so, you know, over the last five, six years, it's interesting to see that city managers, the lifespan of a city manager when I started here was five years. Now it's down to three and a half. So we're very, very lucky to have a very, very good city manager, and good people are very difficult to get and keep. |
| 03:39:44.15 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:40:12.53 | Councilmember Weiner | All right. |
| 03:40:12.95 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, I'm not sure to speak. |
| 03:40:13.26 | Mayor Kelly | I mean, |
| 03:40:13.48 | Councilmember Weiner | Hi, sweetheart. |
| 03:40:14.03 | Mayor Kelly | I turn to speak. Um, I was here in 2007 when Adam was hired. When we gave him his initial salary, we gave him less than we thought we would pay other managers because he had less experience. But we promised him that if he did what he said he could do in reorganizing this city and bringing it to a full production outfit, we bring him up and we bring him up rapidly. And that's exactly what we've done, except we're still low, on the low end of the totem He has done a fantastic job. This city was falling apart in 2007. We had people quitting left and right. The length and longevity of an individual employee and a staff head was about two years max. And we had no experience. People didn't know what they were doing. And then we turned around and released the then city manager and started a search for a new one. He's done exactly what he said he would do, and he's built a team effort here that is, I have to tell you, I've been in business for 40 years, and it's amazing how well this place runs. And people like Charlie and Jonathan and Jeremy and others who have made this city really give out good service to its residents. Again, he's the third lowest paid guy in the county even after we give him the raise. The council policy has always been since the day I walked into the council to bring everybody to the media and we've been working toward that and we're not even there yet with him. We've gotten there with most of the other employees, at least pretty much. The fire department argument is absurd. Nothing changed. We still have a fire department in town. It still has to be coordinated. It still has to be coordinated with police. |
| 03:41:58.96 | Andrew Davidson | still. |
| 03:41:59.03 | Unknown | THE FIRE. |
| 03:41:59.52 | Andrew Davidson | Yeah. |
| 03:42:03.06 | Mayor Kelly | and other services. Nothing changed. Tonight, Carolyn Forrest sent out an email to a special list of people urging them to lobby against his small raise and we got four responses from that. So I'm thrilled that we got four responses. You can always get some. In the interest of transparency, Linda Pfeiffer and Carolyn Ford voted no on all employee raises this year. They voted no on the 2012-13 budget Linda voted no on the renewal of Thames High School parcel tax and even wrote a rebuttal argument against it. So they vote no on anything that has to do with money. And yet, they have never submitted a credible plan It's been their hallmark, no stewardship whatsoever, no credible alternatives. ever given to the council except to cancel the CalPERS program at $45 million worth of buyout. Some of the scurrilous behavior on part of people connected to Carolyn Ford have turned, ended up turning in our city council member to the fair political practices people because supposedly he committed some act of something and he was found not to have done that. Linda and Carol have not appreciated the staff. They have Bob Mitchell, it's the same thing. They have continually harassed the staff. with remarks and demands and so on, and I'll save the rest of this for my one minute rebuttal. |
| 03:43:25.73 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I'd like one minute. |
| 03:43:27.84 | Mayor Kelly | You got it. |
| 03:43:28.67 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | For the record, Councilmember Ford votes no in the proposed race for the city manager. The reasons she's voting no are based on accepted business practices. The proposed race includes a bonus for 10 years longevity, a bonus paid to employees who commit to and stick with their organization for 10 years. Thank you. This kind of bonus does not apply to a broken service with an organization, yet the contract includes the city manager's time spent as Parks and Rec Director before leaving Sausalito for the same type of job of higher pay to meet the 10-year requirement Sasato's city manager has held his position for five years. Additionally and more importantly, when major responsibilities are eliminated from his position for whatever reason, the pay for the position is reduced commensurately. When SMFD assumed responsibility for South Sudden's fire protection and emergency medical services, a major responsibility of the fire department, was removed from the city's manager position description, there has been no adjustment to the city manager's pay to compensate for this major loss of responsibility. So whether the city can afford a salary of $200,000 plus full benefits, or whether one thinks the city manager's performance is out. |
| 03:44:29.28 | Mayor Kelly | just performs themselves. Thank you. |
| 03:44:30.33 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:44:30.53 | Mayor Kelly | and then, OK, you want a minute back? |
| 03:44:37.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:44:37.42 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 03:44:37.50 | Unknown | uh, |
| 03:44:37.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:44:37.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:44:37.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:44:37.84 | Councilmember Winer | I find the sort of accepted business practices argument to be a bad argument of authority. Again, it's sort of a little bit what you said before, Herb, In my running company now and running other organizations, it is not worth sweating the small increases to people if it keeps quality employees around and keeps them functioning well and keeps your organization moving well. It's losing sight of the forest through the trees for a principle that at the end of the day, people have to be able to afford living in the Bay Area and be compensated adequately for the work they do. and that goes at all levels of this organization. And if you skimp, you lose quality employees and the turnover and the cost of retraining and re-recruiting is far and above what you get for the kind of skin bottle salary. |
| 03:45:44.87 | Unknown | Great. Thank you. |
| 03:45:46.17 | Councilmember Weiner | Well, being in business for almost 50 years. had found out in a in a service business, a retail service business, two of the most important things are Number one, good service. good people and keeping those people. You know, in this city hall that we found now, Adam, with you, is we found out that people find out it's a pleasure to come in here. When they go to the planning department, they're seeing the same faces. They're seeing people that will give that good quality service. And that's so important in the business world and in government. There's nothing to say other than I hope some people learn that No was spelled K-N-O-W, not N-O. |
| 03:46:42.02 | Mayor Kelly | All right, I want to repeat what I said, that Pfeiffer, Ford, and Mitchell have continually bothered the staff with demands for data and inundated them with record demands and so on to the point of disrupting normal operations. They do not like our staff. There's no question about it. and they did not. And following a closed session meeting on salaries, Carolyn Ford refused the request of staff to return confidential material, using it in some way that was inappropriate. So it seems to me. Um, So the city is in strong financial position. We have strong cash reserves. We have fine staffing at every level. We are a big part of this. Completing our mission, the capital improvements have been made to the city. And I could go on forever with a list of things that have been done. And we don't need to have some ridiculous standards thing that somebody dreams up somewhere to be able to evaluate our city manager. We simply need to pay attention to business and sit and talk with him. And you'll find out exactly what he's doing. So on that note, I... |
| 03:47:47.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I have one minute rebuttal. |
| 03:47:50.59 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:47:50.67 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So, first of all, I respect the views of my fellow council members. I respect – well, okay, you may not agree with what I say, but, you know, it's hard to express a viewpoint knowing that I am expressing a viewpoint that you disagree with, and because I know I'm going to be bullied, but the things that I shared – |
| 03:47:55.02 | Vicki Nichols | Um, |
| 03:48:12.34 | Unknown | Oh, come on. |
| 03:48:14.19 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, not bullied, but look, you've just said some very inflammatory things, frankly. |
| 03:48:18.02 | Unknown | I just, Frankly. |
| 03:48:23.16 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So my comment here is that San Anselmo's population is more than double the population of Sausalito, and their salary is much more competitive and lower. Fairfax, the same. Their population is closer to Sausalito, but then again, they're 158,000. And so it's just my personal opinion that going into the $200,000 range during this great recession is pushing it. It's just my personal opinion. |
| 03:48:44.20 | Unknown | They're 158. Thank you. |
| 03:48:47.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:47.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:47.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:47.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:47.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:55.44 | Mayor Kelly | Tell me something. Let's call the questions. Okay. To follow the question, do we have a motion? |
| 03:49:01.65 | Councilmember Weiner | So move. |
| 03:49:02.14 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:49:04.72 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:49:04.74 | Mayor Kelly | I guess I could say. |
| 03:49:05.04 | Councilmember Winer | Yep. |
| 03:49:05.87 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. Debbie, call the roll. |
| 03:49:12.60 | Clerk | Council member Pfeiffer. No. Council member Winer. |
| 03:49:13.95 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:49:13.97 | Councilmember Winer | No. |
| 03:49:14.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:49:15.55 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:49:15.57 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. |
| 03:49:15.99 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:49:16.73 | Clerk | Buy some air Liam. Thank you. |
| 03:49:18.00 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:49:18.03 | Clerk | Yes. Mayor Kelly. |
| 03:49:19.45 | Mayor Kelly | Yes. All right. Moving on to city manager information for the council. |
| 03:49:21.48 | Councilmember Winer | Yeah. |
| 03:49:21.49 | Unknown | Well, the jury. |
| 03:49:29.19 | Adam Politzer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council Members. Just a few items here at 11.02. Uh, Again reminder that tomorrow night we have the Marin County MCC MC dinner here in town where the host. This rotates for the public from city to city each month so each of the mayors and council members of various communities and city managers attend these monthly dinners, one networking opportunity to share. experiences with our other council members and to have various reports from the various county committees that the council members sit on. And then obviously a keynote speaker to come talk to us about issues that are of interest to all of the council members throughout the county. Another busy week including that dinner on Wednesday night, we also have all been invited to come to celebrate Sausalito, which is the Chamber's annual fundraiser and dinner. and that is on Friday night. So if you've not had the opportunity and still have interest in attending, It is a very fun event, but also a good opportunity to network with your chamber members and your residents and businesses that work and live here. in our community. Uh, And then the last reminder is the Halloween event, which is at the end of the month. and just a A little caveat off of that because I always use Halloween as the beginning of the event holiday season and it happens very quickly and time flies by just as the three remaining council meetings that we have between now and the end of the year. So one of the discussions that will come before you in the very near future, and it's something that Councilmember Leon and I and probably all the council agree on is the holiday grant program where we look for the nonprofits In the past, and consistently we've given money from the meters to these worthwhile groups, Ritter House and Homeward Bound, have always been on the list because they serve people here in our town. Ritter House is working actively with our police department, serving people in need here in our town. We've also worked with the local churches in the past and given money towards those So, again, this is a good opportunity if you know of organizations that help others and would like to direct them to me. It's something that staff reviews, you know, their program, talks to them about their services, and look at the benefits for the folks that live here in our community and then make those recommendations usually at the December meeting for you folks to award these funds. Because of the type of times that we have, we are looking at organizations that really provide shelter food, the real basic services, clothing, and to some degree job training to get people back off the streets and into the workforce if and when possible. So we'll continue to look at nonprofit agencies that serve in that capacity and groups here at home that do the same. And with that, we'll be inviting the county of Marin to come and speak hopefully before the end of the year to talk about their efforts that I've shared before on ending homelessness in Marin County in the next two years. Obviously, we all know that it's impossible to end homelessness, but there's obviously an opportunity to provide services to people that are homeless in our community to get them back on their feet and get them the attention that they need to get them back in the right direction. So just as much as this is an exciting time for families and friends to celebrate the holidays, it's also important to recognize the people that don't have those same opportunities, the same experiences that many of us share and to look out for those in need. That's my report. Happy to answer any questions from the council. |
| 03:53:51.93 | Adam Politzer | This come as a council member, that's a star within itself. The theme is star. A star is born or something. |
| 03:54:11.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:54:16.35 | Mayor Kelly | Any comments from our public? I would like to address this matter. I'm seeing none. Okay. Future agenda items. Thank you. |
| 03:54:28.06 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:54:28.55 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:54:28.57 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. of the Again, this didn't make the priority calendar, but that doesn't seem to matter. Is parking for now the parking card system is working to have it come before the council to allow people who live in 94965 to be able to access the benefits of shopping downtown |
| 03:54:38.54 | Les James | All right. |
| 03:54:39.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:54:39.22 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 03:54:54.76 | Councilmember Winer | um, That would include the houseboats and Marin City. And I think that even goes out to Muir Beach. But you get people, especially for the holidays, get more people down shopping and can use the whatever it is, one hour, two hours, whatever you have free. I think it both builds the sense of community that we all live next to each other and also, you know, is a low impact way to get more people to shop and eat. |
| 03:55:00.43 | Andrew Davidson | but, |
| 03:55:20.74 | Councilmember Weiner | I don't have any services that we have here, |
| 03:55:23.61 | Councilmember Winer | But that's just a future agenda item for consideration. |
| 03:55:26.04 | Mayor Kelly | Can you work that up in time for the season? Is it too much? Well, the |
| 03:55:33.22 | Adam Politzer | Well, the time for the season, the benefit is that we have free on-street parking. I can work with Chief Tejada. and Lieutenant Scude to see if we can make an addition to the staff report that will talk about the free holiday parking to maybe extend the invitation for free parking for folks in that zip code or designated areas for a period of time. |
| 03:56:02.93 | Councilmember Winer | of time. Similar to what's the thing they did in Mill Valley which was RSVP parking where you could live anywhere it doesn't matter but for this I think it where you could get the something. But this I think is much more of a you know let's I think it's concentrated. Since we all tend to rely each other to a certain degree anyway. |
| 03:56:03.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:04.00 | Adam Politzer | I'm not sure. |
| 03:56:04.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:21.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:21.17 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:56:21.61 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:56:28.01 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:56:28.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:28.04 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:56:28.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:28.13 | Adam Politzer | I guess I don't quite have the clear direction on what you're asking. |
| 03:56:32.14 | Councilmember Winer | I'll talk. Bye. |
| 03:56:33.04 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 03:56:33.09 | Councilmember Winer | about it. |
| 03:56:33.78 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:56:33.86 | Councilmember Winer | that. |
| 03:56:34.10 | Adam Politzer | What the mayor is suggesting is during the holiday to extend free parking. |
| 03:56:34.47 | Councilmember Winer | Really. |
| 03:56:38.20 | Councilmember Winer | No, he's saying can you get it in place before the holiday season, but that would be... |
| 03:56:43.77 | Councilmember Weiner | just to get in place would be a benefit. |
| 03:56:47.72 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:56:48.04 | Councilmember Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:56:48.12 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:56:48.17 | Councilmember Weiner | you know. |
| 03:56:48.38 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, well, I'll let you rub it out on it. Okay? |
| 03:56:48.48 | Councilmember Weiner | Okay, well, I'll |
| 03:56:51.70 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:56:52.04 | Mayor Kelly | you All right, Councilmember Committee reports, any? |
| 03:56:56.73 | Unknown | stuff and I'll be out. |
| 03:56:57.77 | Mayor Kelly | Okay. And I would like to push off appointments, interviews for another meeting. Given how late it is. And also because there's a third application here we haven't interviewed. So I'd love to get that interview done. |
| 03:57:10.62 | Councilmember Winer | I'd love to get that in your way, then. There's no address. |
| 03:57:15.56 | Mayor Kelly | No. |
| 03:57:15.92 | Councilmember Winer | so why don't we schedule the interview for the next... |
| 03:57:16.57 | Mayor Kelly | We knew it. Schedule an interview for next time. Thank you. |
| 03:57:19.54 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:57:21.23 | Mayor Kelly | That work? |
| 03:57:21.33 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:57:26.21 | Mayor Kelly | Okay, any other reports of significance? Hearing and seeing none, move to adjournment. |
| 03:57:35.42 | Councilmember Winer | So move. |
| 03:57:36.71 | Jonathon Goldman | Exactly. |
| 03:57:38.23 | Councilmember Winer | Thank you. |
| 03:57:38.26 | Mayor Kelly | Good night. |
| 03:57:39.69 | Councilmember Winer | you |
| 03:57:39.74 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:57:39.79 | Councilmember Winer | you |
| 03:57:39.96 | Mayor Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:57:59.49 | Mayor Kelly | You didn't go down to Chile, did you? |
| 03:58:02.68 | Councilmember Winer | No, I'd like to go. They have a great music festival every, you know, it's their summer, but not winter. I'd love to go. It's like world famous, supposedly. I'd like to go there. I'd like to go there, too. I don't think I'll ever get OK from the boss. But I'd like right now. |
| 03:58:10.14 | Unknown | it. |
| 03:58:19.50 | Unknown | Of course. |