City Council Meeting - November 27, 2012

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Meeting Summary

CALL TO ORDER
CALL TO ORDER IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 420 LITHO STREET 7:00 PM 📄
The meeting was called to order by Mayor Kelly at 7:00 PM. The City Clerk conducted a roll call of council members, confirming their presence 📄. Mayor Kelly then invited a council member to lead the Pledge of Allegiance, which was recited 📄. Mayor Kelly announced there were no closed session meetings and moved to approval of the agenda 📄.
Motion
Motion to approve the agenda, moved by Vice Mayor Leone 📄. The motion passed unanimously with no opposition.
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Recognition of volunteers from the annual Halloween Event 📄
Parks and Recreation Director Mike Langford presented a comprehensive overview of numerous events organized by the department over a busy two-month period, highlighting the Halloween event as a major production. He detailed the logistical challenges of moving activities indoors due to rain and praised staff adaptability 📄. Jeff then discussed the haunted house coordination, noting volunteer dedication and extensive planning, including 700-1,000 hours spent by John Walbridge on props 📄. A video showcased the 'Pirates of Sausalito' haunted house theme. Volunteers A.T. Lin, Art Griggs, Ann Walbridge, and John Walbridge were recognized and presented. Councilmembers expressed appreciation, with Councilmember Fyfer noting the event was a 'big hit' 📄.
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COMMUNICATIONS 📄
Two public comments were received during the Communications item. Richard Morkin, a furniture finisher at the Martin Luther King building (formerly Bus Barn), requested that his rent not be raised back to its previous level, citing financial hardship 📄. Mayor Kelly acknowledged the comment but noted it could not be formally addressed as it was not on the agenda 📄. Craig Severance, a Sausalito resident, introduced a community bulletin board website called TakeBackSausalito.com to facilitate two-way conversations among residents and city officials, encouraging councilmembers to participate 📄. No council discussion occurred on either comment.
Public Comment 2 2 Neutral
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Minutes of the Regular City Council meeting of November 13, 2012 📄
Councilmember Pfeiffer moved to approve the minutes of the previous meeting 📄. Mayor Kelly called for a vote with no opposition noted 📄. The item was quickly approved without discussion.
Motion
Councilmember Pfeiffer moved to approve the minutes of the last meeting 📄. The motion passed unanimously with no opposition 📄.
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CONSENT CALENDAR 📄
The Consent Calendar contained four routine items expected to have unanimous support. Councilmember Pfeiffer raised questions about item 4B, the ferry landing grant, clarifying that accepting the grant does not endorse any specific design plans 📄. City Manager Adam Politzer explained that the referenced 2009 plan was conceptual and helped secure $4.2 million in funding, but any project will undergo the standard Planning Commission review process 📄. Councilmember Leon commended city staff, particularly Herb, for rebuilding the relationship with the Golden Gate Ferry transit district, enabling this funding opportunity 📄.
Motion
Motion to approve the Consent Calendar, seconded, and passed unanimously 📄.
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Introduction and first reading, by title only, "An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending Chapter 10.54 (Design Review Procedures) and Chapter 10.56 (Encroachment Review and Agreements) of the Sausalito Municipal Code Regarding review of guardrail projects" 📄
Staff presented an ordinance amendment to shift design review for vehicular traffic safety guardrails deemed necessary by the city engineer from Planning Commission review to administrative design review by the Community Development Department. 📄 The change aims to expedite installation of safety-critical guardrails using standardized Caltrans designs (reinforced concrete or metal beam) while maintaining public noticing and neighbor outreach. 📄 Council discussion revealed concerns: Councilmember Pfeiffer opposed transferring design review from the Planning Commission, emphasizing aesthetics and public transparency. 📄 Councilmember Leon and Vice Mayor Leone stressed safety as paramount, supporting streamlined approval with appeal options. 📄 Councilmember Fyfer expressed concern about 'one-size-fits-all' standardization. 📄 Mayor Kelly supported streamlining, noting the appeal process protects citizen input. 📄 Public Works staff explained guardrails are often initiated in response to accidents or deteriorating conditions, and the administrative process includes 300-foot noticing and landscaping collaboration. 📄
Motion
Motion to introduce and read by title only the ordinance amending Chapters 10.54 and 10.56 regarding guardrail project review, and continue second reading to the December 11, 2012 City Council meeting. 📄 Motion passed 3-1 (Pfeiffer opposed, Ford absent). 📄
Public Comment 1 1 Against
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Request from the Business Advisory Committee to authorize that the City contract with the Marin Economic Forum in the amount of $5,000 of appropriated funds to provide certain economic development services 📄
Administrative Services Director Charlie Melton presented the item, explaining that $20,000 was budgeted for economic development projects identified by the Business Advisory Committee (BAC). The BAC, through Chair Adam Cravazzi, proposed a $5,000 contract with the Marin Economic Forum to provide professional guidance to identify complementary business clusters within existing zoning, building on a prior economic study. 📄 Cravazzi emphasized the goal is to start a dialogue and identify businesses that could mutually thrive, focusing on non-tourism sectors to enhance the city's economic base, particularly in the Marinship area which employs over 3,000 people. 📄 Councilmember Leon sought clarification on the end product, which Cravazzi described as a list of mutually supportive businesses. 📄 Councilmember Pfeiffer expressed concern that the proposal's wording about 'broadening' businesses in the Marinship might go beyond the Marinship Specific Plan. 📄 Planning Director Heidi Burns clarified her prior analysis matched recommended businesses from the earlier study with permitted uses in the Marinship plan, such as research and development. 📄 Mayor Kelly and others reiterated the study would not address zoning changes. 📄 Councilmember Pfeiffer questioned city funding alone and the phrasing 'accepted' in the report, which Melton corrected to 'received and filed.' 📄 Councilmember Leon asked about financial benefits; Melton cited expanding the tax base, better utilizing permitted spaces, and starting a business dialogue, using hospitality supply chains as an example. 📄 Public comments from BAC members Peter Van Meter and Michael Rack supported the proposal as a valuable step within existing zoning to enhance economic vitality. 📄 Council discussion revealed philosophical divides: Leon and Mayor Kelly supported data gathering to inform financial sustainability, while Pfeiffer and Fyfer emphasized preserving quality of life and adhering strictly to the Marinship Specific Plan. 📄 The council debated amending the proposal's language to remove the word 'broadened' and clarify it focuses on 'permitted' businesses to alleviate concerns about overreach. 📄 A motion was made with this amended language.
Motion
Motion by Councilmember Leon, seconded by Vice Mayor Leone, to authorize the City Manager to contract with the Marin Economic Forum for $5,000 for economic development services as outlined in the scope of work (Attachment 6A1), with an amendment to Task/Deliverable #2 to remove 'might be broadened' and specify guidance for 'mutually supportive permitted businesses.' 📄 The motion passed 3-2, with Councilmembers Fyfer and Pfeiffer voting no. 📄
Public Comment 2 2 In Favor
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Plaza Vina del Mar Accessibility Improvements 📄
Associate Planner Heidi Burns presented the item, seeking City Council direction on two design alternatives for accessibility improvements at Plaza Vina del Mar. The first alternative, preferred by the Planning Commission and Historic Landmarks Board, removes the elevated two-step landing and provides an at-grade 10-foot-wide path from Bridgeway to the fountain, but does not include a 5-foot-wide pathway around the fountain 📄. The second alternative includes the pathway around the fountain. Staff noted that the city's accessibility expert, Kim Blackseth, confirmed the first alternative complies with ADA and the 2006 settlement agreement, which requires access to the fountain 📄. However, Public Works recommends the pathway as an enhancement for greater accessibility. If the Council chooses the first alternative, Public Works may later propose the pathway as part of the city's ADA Transition Plan 📄. Council discussion focused on cost, historic integrity, and accessibility. Councilmember Leon clarified the settlement requires access to, not around, the fountain, and noted budget constraints 📄. Councilmember Fyfer expressed disappointment about losing the raised platform but preferred minimizing impact to historic palms and the fountain 📄. Councilmember Pfeiffer supported the first alternative for its clean design and preservation of green space 📄. Mayor Kelly supported the first alternative due to cost, but acknowledged the pathway might be added later if complaints arise 📄.
Motion
Motion by Councilmember Pfeiffer to approve the design alternative preferred by the Planning Commission and Historic Landmarks Board, which provides access to the fountain from the front and does not include the pathway around the fountain 📄. Motion seconded. Roll call vote: Councilmember Fyfer abstained, Councilmember Ford (Leone) yes, Councilmember Weiner yes, Councilmember Leon yes, Mayor Kelly yes. Motion passed 4-0-1 📄.
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Introduction and first reading, by title only, 'An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Authorizing an Amendment to the Agreement with CalPers' 📄
Administrative Services Director/Treasurer Charlie Francis presented the ordinance to amend the CalPERS contract, establishing a second pension tier as part of a three-year labor reform strategy. The new tier lowers employer contribution rates for new hires: from 14.215% to 10.5% for miscellaneous employees and from 36.9% to 20.5% for police safety employees, with employee contributions also adjusted. 📄. Councilmember Pfeiffer requested reconsideration of the prior resolution of intent, citing the actuarial report showed minimal long-term savings (1.8-2.6% of payroll), which he deemed insufficient. 📄. Charlie Francis clarified that dollar savings are substantial due to prior side fund paydowns and emphasized that failing to pass the ordinance by January 1 would force the city into a more expensive state-mandated tier. 📄. A motion to reconsider failed 2-3 (Pfeiffer and Weiner in favor). 📄. Discussion included debates on pension debt figures, with Pfeiffer questioning the city's total pension liability and Francis explaining that updated actuarial reports are forthcoming. 📄. Councilmember Leon and Mayor Kelly defended the reform as meaningful and necessary within existing constraints, praising the city's proactive efforts. 📄.
Motion
Motion by Councilmember Leon to introduce the first reading of the ordinance and direct staff to return on December 11 for adoption, seconded. 📄. The motion passed 3-2 (Pfeiffer and Weiner opposed). 📄.
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Introduction and first reading, by title only, "An Ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Amending Chapter 2.08 of Title 2 of the Sausalito Municipal Code Defining the Duties and Powers of the City Manager" 📄
The City Clerk presented this as a 'cleanup job' of the municipal code, prompted by an anonymous question during a city manager meeting about an outdated 1950s ordinance requiring the city manager to reside in Sausalito. 📄 Staff recommended repealing two sections: the residency requirement and a surety bond requirement. The City Attorney clarified that the residency mandate is unconstitutional per California Constitution Article 11, Section 10b and Government Code Section 50083, which prohibit requiring employees to live in the city, though reasonable distance requirements are allowed case-by-case. 📄 Councilmember Pfeiffer inquired about giving hiring preference to local candidates, which the City Attorney said would need further research. 📄 Councilmember Leon pointed out additional outdated sections in Chapter 2.08 regarding appointments and council protocols. 📄 Councilmember Fyfer noted a potential conflict with the city manager's removal procedure, but the Mayor limited discussion to the two specific items. 📄
Motion
Motion to introduce and first reading by title only of the ordinance amending Chapter 2.08. 📄 Motion passed with a roll call vote: Councilmember Fyfer (Yes), Councilmember Pfeiffer (Yes), Councilmember Weiner (Yes), Vice Mayor Leone (Yes), Mayor Kelly (Yes). 📄
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City Manager Information for Council 📄
City Manager Adam Politzer provided updates on several topics: 1) The Chamber of Commerce is temporarily closing the visitor kiosk for ATM installation and to restructure volunteer roles, combining it with an ambassador program to better handle bicycle-related questions 📄. Councilmember Fyfer commended the volunteers and shared past experience 📄. 2) The school district is moving forward with consolidating Bayside and Lindsay campuses without a bond, using loans for portable units 📄. 3) Upcoming December events include the Yacht Parade and Taste of San Francisco 📄. 4) Free holiday parking was approved 📄. 5) The December council meeting will include the changing of the guard, election of mayor/vice mayor, and recognition of outgoing/incoming council members 📄.
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Future Agenda Items 📄
Councilmember Fyfer inquired about the status of the Bicycle and Pedestrian Committee, which was previously approved but never populated 📄. City Manager Adam Politzer explained that the committee was formed with a structure of five voting and two non-voting members, but remains unpopulated due to prioritization by the mayor and council 📄. Mayor Kelly recommended deferring the item to the new council for prioritization in January, as it cannot be addressed on December 11th 📄. Councilmember Fyfer emphasized resident interest and noted existing applications 📄. Councilmember Leon requested future agenda items including parking for 94965, an update on library construction (which has started and is expected to finish in 2015), a report on the post office, and changing the community magazine format from PDF to HTML for better searchability 📄. Mayor Kelly reported that TAM is allocating $125,000 for a study on the south end of town, thanking various individuals for their lobbying efforts 📄.

Meeting Transcript

Time Speaker Text
00:00:00.03 Mayor Kelly And Debbie, would you...

Call the roll.
00:00:08.25 City Clerk Council member Pfeiffer? Here. Council member Ford?
00:00:09.55 Councilmember Pfeiffer THE END OF THE END OF THE
00:00:09.75 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:00:09.77 Councilmember Pfeiffer I'm sorry.

here.
00:00:11.05 City Clerk Thank you.

Council member Weiner.

Vice Mayor Leone.

Mayor Kelly.
00:00:18.58 Mayor Kelly All right, let's see, who can I pick on tonight?

Um...
00:00:24.89 Councilmember Pfeiffer AT, she has a big smile on her face. All right. That smile did it. OK.
00:00:27.30 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:00:27.32 Mayor Kelly All right. A smile did it. Okay. Thank you.
00:00:30.04 Councilmember Weiner Yeah.
00:00:30.07 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
00:00:30.17 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:00:30.30 Councilmember Pfeiffer Bye.
00:00:30.42 Councilmember Weiner Bye.
00:00:30.47 Councilmember Pfeiffer Bye.
00:00:30.51 Councilmember Weiner you Thank you.
00:00:30.68 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:00:30.74 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yeah.
00:00:31.08 Mayor Kelly Bye.

Pledge of Allegiance. Would you lead us here?
00:00:34.42 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.

You don't have to dance, but I think I'll stand it.
00:00:35.25 Mayor Kelly You don't have to dance.
00:00:36.48 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
00:00:38.93 Councilmember Weiner I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.
00:00:38.98 Vice Mayor Leone but allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
00:00:44.12 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.

to the rest.

Bye.
00:00:48.56 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:00:51.97 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

All right, the council did not meet in closed session this evening, so there are no closed session announcements and no public comment there for on the closed session items. And we move to the approval of the agenda. Do I have a motion?
00:01:10.43 Vice Mayor Leone So moved.
00:01:11.48 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

All in favor?

Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

Amen.

All right, and that moves us to special presentations and Mike Lang.
00:01:22.03 Councilmember Weiner .
00:01:26.75 Unknown Well, good evening, Council Members, Mr. Mayor.

Many people think that once summer is over, parks and recreation departments simply coast along until the next summer.

Well, I can tell you this is not true here in Sausalito.

Tonight, I am here before you to congratulate and recognize staff and volunteers.

for all that they have accomplished over the past two Unfortunately, Erin Stroud couldn't be with us tonight. She's actually taking a class, so she's doing her own recreation tonight.
00:01:58.36 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:01:59.59 Unknown So again, like I said, the past month, two months, have been extremely busy down at Parks and Recreation. On September 30th, we had the chili cook-off in Dunpey Park, which many of you were there.

Quite a nice day, good turnout, lots of booths, and lots of chili.
00:02:16.75 Charlie Melton I'm not sure.
00:02:17.90 Unknown We followed that up on October 13th with our annual yard sale, which had over 90 booths out at NLK. So if you were there, you saw that. Lots of good stuff to buy.

The day after, October 14th, we had the Classic Car Show. Now, the Car Show wasn't our event directly. We did help them as well as sell hamburgers and hot dogs as a fundraiser for Parks and Rec.

Then we went to the next weekend, October 21st. We had arias in the afternoon on Sunday. Turned out to be a beautiful day. The wind calmed down.
00:02:47.30 Unknown .
00:02:47.95 Unknown And we had some nice opera there.
00:02:47.97 Unknown I'm fine.
00:02:52.46 Unknown Right after that, October 26th.

Celebrate Sausalito. Again, not our event. That was actually the chamber's event. But staff helped them decorate and get the spinnaker looking good for that night.

October 31st, Halloween.

one of our first rainy nights here.

Everybody's wondering, gee, are people going to show up?
00:03:12.86 Unknown Thank you.
00:03:12.91 Unknown Thank you.

Well, people did. Lots of people at the fire station, lots of people in the parade, And then the complicated part started. Can we really have trick or treat lane outside
00:03:21.74 Unknown Thank you.
00:03:25.31 Unknown in the basketball court. But we tried. If you saw, Aaron was out there all day decorating, putting signs up, getting tables ready, everything.

And right before the parade, the rain really started to come down. So thinking on her feet, as she's very good at, she moved everything inside. So those of you that were here, and I recognize the faces, I've been looking through the pictures, we were all downstairs in the Edgewater Room, which turned was very steamy and hot in there from all the people, all the bodies, but the kids had a great time and I don't think anybody minded.

just went with the flow.

And of course we also had our haunted house, and we'll talk a little bit more about that later, but the haunted house, the line for the haunted house started at the top of the stairs. We tried to keep everybody inside, top of the stairs here, and went all the way to admin. And it was like that for almost the entire night.
00:04:13.10 Unknown Thank you.
00:04:14.24 Unknown Then November 4.

We had Sausalicious, which was a co-production of the Willow Creek School Foundation and the City of Sausalito Parks and Recreation Department. The funds that were raised went to the school and a portion of the funds went to the Parks Fund, which is the fund that we're developing for renovation of the parks, including Robin Sweeney Park.

Then right after that, November 15th, we had the Senior Thanksgiving Luncheon, which is the Edgewater Seniors and the Rotary Club. At the Yacht Club, we host a luncheon for them. The Rotary serves the lunch. But Jeff here, who works with our senior group, handled all the logistics up to that point.

So what is that? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight events, and you could actually call it more than that if you count all the different things that we did for Halloween in a period of just over a month. Now all of this was done while doing their regular jobs such as coordinating 117 youth and adult classes, the monthly senior trips, permits for non-city events, banners, and of course getting all the information together for the winter edition of the Sausalito News Community Magazine, which we expect to be out within the next week or two.

So Aaron, who's again not here, and Jeff, congratulations on a job well done.

I appreciate your efforts, but more importantly, Sausalito residents and guests really appreciate everything you do to make Sausalito a special place. So thank you.

So at this time I'd like to bring up Jeff, and Jeff's going to talk a little bit about our Halloween event.
00:05:50.81 Unknown Thank you.
00:05:51.59 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:05:51.61 Unknown Thank you.
00:05:51.71 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:05:51.74 Unknown Thank you.
00:05:51.93 Unknown Thank you.

ladies and gentlemen, the council and mayor.

The Halloween event is a wide-scale production, and I play but a small role in it. Mainly, I coordinate the logistics behind our volunteer group that actually put together the haunted house.

This volunteer group is so dedicated that not only have we already had two meetings, if you count tonight, regarding next year's haunted house,
00:06:21.69 Unknown Thank you.
00:06:22.05 Unknown We've already made a little bit of progress in securing the storage facilities that we'll need for our bigger and better props that are going to be built.
00:06:30.86 Unknown Thank you.
00:06:31.62 Unknown Speaking of the construction of props, John Walbridge spends about 700 to 1,000 hours every year putting together the props that go into the haunted house. We also have meetings. I was away in June and July and August for paternity leave when I second born was born.

And I had to address four burning emails in that time. Two about classes, two about haunted house. The first one was, are we really gonna be able to do it the Sunday before Halloween as a preview night?

The second one, can we switch the rooms from the Edgewater room to the game room?

I of course emailed John quickly and we decided yes, on both cases we can have that, we can make that happen.

This year we met about five to six times before the haunted house took place to draft out our vision for what the haunted house would be. And then we spent one day of pre-construction hanging all the scaffolding that we would need to support our walls in the game room, and then five days of full-fledged building of the haunt.

What we'd like to do now is show everyone an experience of what the haunt entailed. We filmed it with the lights on so that we could see what was going on. But it is darker and scarier than this filming will show.
00:07:54.29 Councilmember Weiner But it is dark.
00:07:58.01 Councilmember Weiner Ha, ha, ha, ha.

Thank you.
00:08:00.80 Unknown you
00:08:14.98 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
00:08:22.70 Vice Mayor Leone This is up for a great meeting.

Thank you.
00:08:24.80 Unknown Thank you.
00:09:02.97 Unknown Thank you.

Amen.

Yeah.

Boy, there are people who want to support the investor. Come on through. But I'm a majority of David Jones' successor. Carry on.
00:09:58.55 Unknown You cursed the treasure, now you cursed the member of my crew for all eternity.
00:10:46.72 Unknown Who goes there?

Arr, have you seen the cursed treasure? Come aboard, come aboard. Arr, so we send the broadside across the valley. Ready, day.
00:10:53.04 Craig Severance .
00:10:56.82 Craig Severance .
00:11:02.80 Unknown .

Bye.
00:11:05.97 Unknown you
00:11:09.58 Unknown Ha ha ha ha ha!
00:11:16.28 Unknown The final two rooms, which were not seen in the video, were a cemetery where all good pirate souls were laid to rest, where one of our more frightening pop-outs startled people. And then, because we couldn't move the janitor's locker, we decided to turn it into Davy Jones' locker on the way out.
00:11:33.21 Councilmember Weiner Yeah.
00:11:35.08 Unknown So.

That was the Pirates of Sausalito, our theme for 2012. 2013, we invite everybody to take a walk through and see the real life or death version of the Haunted Hotel.
00:11:49.03 Unknown Oh.
00:11:50.75 Unknown Now I'd like to present something to our dedicated volunteers. If they could please stand up and come forward.

A.T. Lin.

our voodoo queen from the very beginning intro.
00:12:04.00 Councilmember Weiner .
00:12:05.93 Unknown Art Griggs, not featured because he was so startling when he popped out from behind the coffin. We didn't want anyone to be scared.
00:12:11.26 Councilmember Weiner We didn't want anyone to be scared. That's not the first time I've wound up on the editing.
00:12:15.68 Unknown Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Ann Walbridge, who helps out by making sure the line is formed well and collects the funds on the way in for our suggested donation.

And John Walbridge, designer of every prop that you saw inside that haunted house. Thank you so much.
00:12:43.66 Unknown And thank you for your time.
00:12:45.29 Mayor Kelly The President. The President. All right, thank you. The President. Good job.

Yeah, it was a sight to be seen.
00:12:52.04 Councilmember Fyfer Can I make a comment?
00:12:54.51 Mayor Kelly you
00:12:54.58 Unknown Make a comment.
00:12:55.86 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:12:55.89 Councilmember Fyfer Sure. Yeah, I have to say people were coming up to me mentioning the haunted house, so it was a big hit. Huge. Huge.
00:12:55.94 Mayor Kelly Sure.
00:12:56.16 Unknown Thank you.
00:12:56.21 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:12:56.23 Unknown Right.
00:13:04.58 Councilmember Fyfer Thanks again.
00:13:04.97 Councilmember Weiner Thank you very much. All right.
00:13:05.14 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

All right, moving on to communications, public communications. This is a time for members of the public to address the council on matters that are not on the agenda. And we have one, Richard Morton.
00:13:19.72 Unknown Thank you.
00:13:19.75 Richard Morkin Thank you.

Hello everybody, that was an icebreaker. My name is Richard Morkin and I do furniture finishing at the Martin Luther King's building, formerly called the Bus Barn building, and I've been there since 1992. I give furniture restoration classes through the city of Sausalito and we also have life drawing on Sunday morning. Now, two years ago, approximately two years ago, my rent was lowered along with two other peer persons in our community.
00:13:23.86 Mayor Kelly I don't know.
00:13:24.88 Councilmember Weiner .
00:13:25.96 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Yeah.
00:13:56.12 Richard Morkin because of the recession and I just wanted I was going to bring this up at the Olment meeting, but we didn't have one in November, and the next one isn't scheduled until January. I received a letter that my rent would be raised back to what it was two years ago when I actually had trouble paying it anyway.

Now this is $600 a month, which is quite hard for me to do. I just barely make ends meet and I work Saturdays as well, which I never did before. And the problem is that our clients only pay what they did 20 years ago. So even though I do have more work than I used to, my prices are a lot lower and I'm just scraping by right now and staying even.

like to plead to the city council that I be allowed to pay the same rent that I have been paying. We're going to, this is just for, just to state my intention.
00:15:04.18 Richard Morkin I think that's all I need to say, actually. I've been in business since 1978, and I've been at the bus barn since 1992, and I'm a resident of Sausalito. Thank you very much, everybody.
00:15:17.68 Mayor Kelly Thank you for coming. As you probably know, we can't respond to this because it's not an agenda-ized item.
00:15:24.75 Richard Morkin Thank you.
00:15:24.76 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:15:25.03 Richard Morkin I was told that.
00:15:25.86 Mayor Kelly Yeah, okay, but we hear you loud and clear and we'll be in touch. Thanks, sir. Thank you.
00:15:25.91 Richard Morkin Yeah, okay.
00:15:31.04 Richard Morkin Okay.

Thank you.
00:15:34.70 Mayor Kelly All right. Yes, sir.
00:15:39.29 Craig Severance Good evening.

My name is Craig Severance. I am a 15-year resident of Sausalito. I live on Caledonia Street. And I would like to share with you some technology that I've recently put up on the Internet and encourage everyone in the room to check out a website that has an easy-to-remember name called TakeBackSausalito.com.

This website is a bulletin board and it encourages a sharing of information. It is not like the city's website, which I must commend whoever put it together. The city's website is fantastic and full of tremendous amount of information. And since I've taken the time to read carefully through it, I'm much more informed about the hard work that many people, I'm sure, in this room have done to create all that information. What it doesn't do, though, is encourage a two-way conversation. It broadcasts information, but I can't go to it and ask a question and see this person's response and see that person's response. And in this new world of social interaction and social communication on the Internet, I thought I would put something out there.

I was sitting outside our hardware store on Caledonia Street having a conversation with someone about something. I think it was I got a parking ticket on Caledonia Street and I was thinking, I live on Caledonia Street. How come I can't park here?

who do I talk to? This person didn't know. And it was at that point I decided I need to start this so the 7,000 residents of this community can ask questions of one another, and particularly of you, And by putting it out on a website, everyone can see the question asked and can see the answer provided. And in doing so, education occurs. And when education occurs, you empower people to take action. And I think, unfortunately, and I may be one of them, many people don't have the time to come here. I typically work later than 7 o'clock. Or they have children, or they have other reasons not to be here, and they don later than 7 o'clock, or they have children or they have other reasons not to be here and they don't receive an education.

And so my hope is by encouraging people, hopefully hundreds and hundreds of Sauce Leader residents to join this bulletin board, instead of one-way conversations occurring outside of a hardware store, that one-way conversation can be a conversation that is shared with hundreds and hundreds of residents and friends in Sausalito. So I encourage all of you to check it out. You don't have to like it. You can like it. It doesn't matter. But especially you guys up there, I do hope that you will register on it and hopefully answer any questions if you see fit to so that we can all be better educated.
00:18:51.08 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

All right, anybody else have a public comment?

COMMUNICATION. ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ACTION MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

Any changes, suggestions?

All right, I'm here at Seen Men, do I have a motion?
00:19:13.45 Councilmember Pfeiffer I move we approve the minutes of the last meeting.
00:19:17.40 Mayor Kelly All right.
00:19:17.61 Vice Mayor Leone to
00:19:18.35 Mayor Kelly All in favor? Aye. Opposed? None. All right, and that moves us to the consent calendar. Items on the consent calendar are
00:19:19.19 Vice Mayor Leone Hi.

Thank you.
00:19:20.20 Unknown Thank you.
00:19:27.61 Mayor Kelly generally considered routine and non-controversial.

and they require no discussion and are expected to have unanimous counsel support.

AND THEREFORE MAY BE ENACTED BY THE COUNCIL IN ONE MOTION. SO WE HAVE TONIGHT FOUR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

Thank you.

Is anyone from the public or anyone from the council?
00:19:49.55 Councilmember Pfeiffer Mr. Mayor? Yes.
00:19:50.44 Mayor Kelly Yes.
00:19:50.78 Councilmember Pfeiffer I have a couple questions regarding 4B, the ferry landing grant.
00:19:55.71 Mayor Kelly Okay. Can you get them answered quickly here?
00:19:59.24 Councilmember Pfeiffer I would hope so.
00:20:01.33 Mayor Kelly Okay.

THE FAMILY IS GOING TO BE
00:20:02.38 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay, the first one is does this include acceptance of any designs, the grant money and the agreement, does it include acceptance of any designs including the ferry landing plan?
00:20:19.33 Adam Cravazzi None.
00:20:19.35 Councilmember Pfeiffer None. Thank you. And this process, I assume, will follow the regular process of going through the Planning Commission, et cetera, et cetera.

Thank you.
00:20:31.21 Mayor Kelly Right.
00:20:31.35 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

After.
00:20:33.83 Mayor Kelly Any other items, questions?
00:20:36.60 Councilmember Leon I mean, on that point, it's actually kind of cool that they're letting us design it almost ourselves, which is a somewhat different process than they would have taken 10 years ago. Right, it's very, very different.
00:20:43.62 Adam Politzer with the
00:20:43.94 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:20:44.09 Adam Politzer Take a hand.
00:20:44.49 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:20:45.25 Adam Politzer Thank you.
00:20:45.31 Unknown Right.
00:20:46.08 Adam Politzer Thank you.

to be able to get a better.
00:20:46.45 Unknown Thank you.
00:20:46.47 Adam Politzer Thank you.

If you disindulge me because it was brought up, I think it's really important, especially with the last comments. We had zero money for any improvements there. We had a very nice presentation by Jim Swindler, Deputy Director of the ferry, announcing that we had $2.4 million. And then with continued discussions with them, it's now gone to $4.2 million.

It means that we have a lot of opportunities to do things that we haven't had an opportunity to do, including irrigation Just some of the back to the basics type stuff.

electrical things that we haven't had there. But as Councilmember Ford asked, it has to go through the exact same process any other project would go through for the same level of scrutiny. But the only advantage is that in the past we haven't had any money. We had dreams and conversations, but we haven't had the funds to do the work.
00:21:35.29 Craig Severance Yeah.
00:21:43.07 Councilmember Fyfer who had dreams and So Mr. Mayor, I have a question, follow up. So this is for Adam, our city manager. So just to clarify that going forward with this grant, we are not in any way endorsing this plan. That it is, when you say it's going through the process with the Planning Commission, that it is, you know, it's not going through that process with any, you know, perceived, you know, or endorsement from us.
00:22:19.28 Adam Politzer Yeah, the plan that Councilmember Pfeiffer is referring to is the one in the staff report, which was a 2009 conceptual plan just to look at sidewalk improvements because that's really what we were looking at doing. Again, that was a conceptual plan.

that has come in front of Council in various ways.

I also debated and discussed at OMIT in various ways and eventually that document helped us to the improvements on Bay Street and Anchor Street, And we purposely left out Humboldt because it was a lot more complicated.

So this is the 2009 plan that kind of looks at the overview. It helped us get the money.

but it has nothing It is nothing more than just a conceptual plan that now will go through a very different process.
00:23:06.23 Councilmember Fyfer Okay, and by conceptual, again, we're not talking, nothing is casting. Okay, I just wanted to make sure because there was a lot of concern out there about elements of that, including the parking, lost parking.
00:23:18.16 Adam Politzer But whatever we spent in 2009 on that just got us $4.2 million. So it was that conceptual plan is now was well worth its weight in gold.
00:23:29.85 Councilmember Fyfer And one more follow-up question. I heard something about the kiosk being closed temporarily, the visitor kiosk. This is not related in any way.
00:23:41.29 Adam Politzer Yeah, I'll cover that in the city manager's report. In the city manager's report.
00:23:43.59 Councilmember Fyfer And the city meant, okay, I just wanted to make sure there was no correlation. Okay, thank you very much.
00:23:44.25 Mayor Kelly Okay, I just wanted to make sure there was no...
00:23:46.46 Adam Politzer Bye.
00:23:46.47 Mayor Kelly correlation.

Okay, any other questions, comments?

Thank you.
00:23:51.96 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
00:23:51.98 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:23:52.03 Councilmember Leon I mean, I think just to, you know, all this is in the staff report, but the other, the point that isn't is the relationship that Herb particularly and Jonathan have built with, um, the ferry system, I remember when, and probably even worse when you started, it was a terrible relationship with the Golden Gate Ferry transit district, and now between the work of the city staff
00:24:04.65 Craig Severance She's very, very, very, very.
00:24:05.04 Unknown I'm not.
00:24:11.40 Adam Politzer Thank you.
00:24:11.42 Unknown All right.
00:24:16.77 Councilmember Leon and Herb particularly, you know, it's seldom that a governmental entity will give you $4.2 million to do something that you want to do. And so that the city staff and Herb deserve a lot of credit for rebuilding that relationship and making it into a very productive one, both to solve the bike problems as well as this issue. I mean, obviously they're going to have a hand in saying what is okay here, because they have to do their primary duty, but it's a great opportunity for the city that wouldn't have happened ten years ago, in any shape or form.
00:24:39.07 Craig Severance Thank you.
00:24:39.11 Mayor Kelly I'm sorry.
00:24:39.29 Craig Severance Thank you.
00:24:43.02 Mayor Kelly Mm-hmm.

Right.

I agree. I agree.

All right, do I have a motion to approve consent?
00:24:54.23 Vice Mayor Leone So,
00:24:54.40 Mayor Kelly move.

Second? No, I'm second.

All in favor?

Any opposed? Seeing none, we'll move on to public hearings. This is introduction and first reading by title only of an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending Chapter 10.54, Design Review Procedures, and 10.56, Encroachment Review and Agreement of the Sausalito Municipal Code regarding review of guardrails.
00:24:58.13 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
00:24:58.18 Unknown Thank you.
00:24:58.23 Vice Mayor Leone I don't know.
00:24:58.67 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
00:25:22.26 Mayor Kelly And, Allison.
00:25:36.28 Unknown Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of the City Council. This evening we have a request for a zoning ordinance amendment for the review of guardrails.

Currently, the zoning ordinance requires the city to obtain Planning Commission approval for design review permits for capital improvement projects, including the replacement and installation of guardrails.

There are existing guardrail locations and new locations that have been identified that do not presently provide the proper protection of guardrails for roadway safety. And new ore replacement guardrails are required in these locations.

um, Because of these reasons, on November 1, 2011, the City Council directed staff to initiate an amendment of the zoning ordinance to exempt guardrail projects from Planning Commission design permit—design review permits.

And then on November 14, 2012, the Planning Commission Um, reviewed the amendment to shift the design review process for guardrails from the Planning Commission review to to the Community Development Department. And the Planning Commission did recommend City Council approval of that ordinance amendment.
00:27:02.07 Unknown Um, In order to shift the review from Planning Commission to staff, three sections of the zoning ordinance will need to be amendments.

to be amended. The first section is regarding the section on Administrative Design Review Permits.

Under applicability, there will be an additional applicability number 14 added, which states that applications to construct vehicular traffic safety guardrails deemed necessary by the city engineer.

So all guardrails deemed necessary by the city engineer would now be reviewed under administrative design review permits.

The next section would be under design review permits, which requires Planning Commission review. Currently, it says number 13 requires that all capital improvement projects are reviewed by the Planning Commission, other than projects that are maintenance projects. And we are adding a letter B after capital improvement projects, which states vehicular traffic safety guardrails.

deemed necessary by the city engineer.

So we're removing it and exempting it from the Planning Commission review and putting it in administrative design review.

The final section that would be modified would be under encroachment agreements. Currently, the community development director is permitted to review certain encroachment agreements and make a recommendation to the city council. What this would be adding would be a number seven, which states vehicular traffic safety guardrails deemed necessary by the city engineer, which would leave any sort of an encroachment agreement required for the installation of these to be reviewed by the Community Development Director prior to recommending to the City Council.
00:28:58.44 Unknown Currently, since there are many locations in the city that do not have adequate guardrails that prevent the loss of life, injury, or property damage, Um, in the city that guardrails are required And over time, there's been an increase in knowledge and design that is changed to be more effective in controlling the actual motor vehicles that become out of control. Due to these changes and the updates and safety requirements, there's been a reduction in the design variation. And there's really two main designs that are, that have been tested and used by the state of California. One is the reinforced concrete and the other is the metal beam.

Um.

With the use of the standard guardrail configurations, and staff will use the attention to minimize visual impacts then these projects should be subject to administrative design review. In order to promptly and efficiently allow installation of guardrails.

The change in review process will continue to allow public noticing period and will enable staff to work with nearby property owners on screening and landscaping.

as long as the functionality of the guardrail is not compromised.

At this time, staff recommends that the City Council introduce and read by title only an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending Chapter 10.54, Design Review Procedures, and Chapter 10.56, Encroachment Review and Agreements of the Sausalito Municipal Code regarding review of guardrail projects, and continue the second reading to December City Council meeting.

And that concludes the staff report. If you have any questions, I can answer them.
00:30:58.95 Mayor Kelly All right, any questions?
00:31:04.45 Councilmember Pfeiffer Alison, how long does it typically take to get this a design review permit through the Planning Commission.
00:31:13.64 Unknown The time can vary depending upon the planner who's working on the project and their time constraints. It also, depending upon, because of the public noticing period, depending upon when the next meeting is, it can take anywhere from, I would say, three weeks to a month and a half.

to possibly go through it or possibly longer depending upon the type of public attendance at the meetings and issues that arise.
00:31:45.03 Councilmember Pfeiffer Staff, what's the time?
00:31:47.50 Unknown If it's done by staff, since we're not held to the same strict calendar schedule that the Planning Commission is held to, we can send out hearing notices, public notices within a few days of receiving an application after reviewing it.
00:31:47.72 Councilmember Pfeiffer If it's done.
00:32:04.64 Unknown as long as you know, all the plans are, look good and the city, or the, Engineering Division or Department of Public Works has talked with the neighborhood and looked at the area. We can send out the hearing notices quickly and after 10 days we can approve a project.

We're not on the same calendar time constraints as a planning commission meeting since they only meet one to two times a month.

So it would probably take staff...

Probably, I would say, around two to three weeks.

As opposed to maybe a month? Probably a little over a month or more.
00:32:43.67 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
00:32:43.69 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
00:32:43.71 Councilmember Fyfer Right.
00:32:44.08 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Totally.
00:32:46.07 Councilmember Fyfer anymore.
00:32:46.39 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Thank you.
00:32:49.48 Councilmember Fyfer Mr. Mary, I have a question. So have you ever had experience where guardrails were controversial or created issues or concerns from residents?
00:33:00.04 Unknown I have not. On the other hand, I believe Todd teach out the city engineers here, and he may be able to speak on that behalf a little bit more since he's been working with the community on guardrails in
00:33:19.53 Adam Politzer I know.

The city attempted to install some guardrails on Spencer, and it predated my arrival, so I don't know the process that was gone through. But I do know that they were installed, significant resources were incurred to put them in, and then they were quickly taken out. The feedback we got was consideration of pedestrian safety, possible, you know, a pedestrian being pinned against it if a car was out of control. So there's been that... I'm aware of that particular instance, and then there's
00:33:45.81 Councilmember Weiner you
00:33:53.00 Craig Severance that,
00:33:53.21 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:33:53.60 Craig Severance Thank you.
00:33:59.58 Adam Politzer In the course of delivering projects, there's been a significant, depending on the moment, a significant desire to affect the aesthetics of a device. And there have been some studies done that if you deviate just slightly on the aesthetics of a safety device, that it really will jeopardize its effectiveness. So we would like to, by virtue of
00:34:30.85 Craig Severance Yeah.
00:34:33.01 Adam Politzer We don't have the ability to rigorously test all the designs that are possible, so we'd like to thoughtfully consider standardized systems that are out there. And Allison told you about the two that are most likely to be used.
00:34:50.42 Mayor Kelly I have a question. How are guardrail proposals initiated normally?
00:34:58.42 Adam Politzer Well, there are basically two cases. You know, the city has a system of guardrails. A lot of them are in some pretty bad shape. You know, we've been actively trying to replace guardrails or railings, as you may call it, on Glen Drive for roughly six or seven years.

Um, dealing with this will help us deliver that project and then otherwise, it's often done in reaction to a very scary accident.

I'm sorry.

When we presented this to you about a year ago, maybe four months before that, there was an out of control incident on the corner of Curry and...

Montemar. And there was a van that went off the road and went into someone's backyard, just missed the house, just missed the swimming pool. Those residents have encouraged us to do something soon.
00:35:47.54 Unknown Mm-hmm.
00:35:50.95 Unknown into someone's back.
00:35:52.07 Councilmember Weiner backyard.

I see.

Thank you.
00:36:00.71 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:36:00.74 Vice Mayor Leone Right.
00:36:01.03 Mayor Kelly grill.

Thank you.
00:36:03.47 Adam Politzer Thank you.
00:36:03.52 Mayor Kelly them.

Okay, good.
00:36:05.43 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you. Yeah, Todd, one question. I notice around the Bay Area now they're using more and more of the cement block rails rather than the steel wheels. I mean, if you go over and just go over the Golden Gate Bridge, you'll see. You can see how they've utilized that. How do you look at that?
00:36:19.94 Craig Severance it.
00:36:20.03 Adam Politzer Thank you.
00:36:28.36 Adam Politzer Yes, I would agree that there's, you know, when the resources are there and there's room and sufficient time to deliver it, Thank you.

They are being installed more often. I think the public acceptance is a little better than the galvanized steel rails. And then they've been developing some aesthetic versions of those down near San Luis Obispo. They've got some median K-rails that are quite pretty.

So there's that option too.

Thank you.
00:37:05.37 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
00:37:05.41 Adam Politzer Thank you.
00:37:05.54 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
00:37:05.64 Adam Politzer Thank you.

Thank you.
00:37:06.69 Councilmember Leon I think there's different intents with those two types. The concrete ones are trying to keep you on the road.

whereas the metal ones are trying to basically slow you down the design of the concrete one I can't say I've never hit a concrete They were all in the past in a snowstorm, when I lived on the East Coast.

you know, that it's meant to catch your tire and turn you back onto the road unless you're going at such a high rate of speed that you can't...
00:37:32.98 Adam Politzer for the freeway, which is a high-speed system, and to use them on local streets is probably an
00:37:33.67 Councilmember Leon See you.
00:37:40.03 Councilmember Leon design.

But speaking to Todd's point earlier, I think it was like in 2004 or something with the, when did you start? I can't remember. 2005. Yeah, when this happened on...

Spencer, and I think as Gordon put it in, because it's at a problem, I think it was the the Monster House, whoever owned it at the time, asked to just put it in.

um, And, um, I don't know if it's changed since. But yeah, and people in the neighborhood didn't like the way it looked, right? So yes, there is that possibility of the whole Spencer is scary as it is if you're a pedestrian. But so it went before the planning commission. I don't think there was ever a formal vote on it, but the city just yanked it out. And I think it cost like, I don't know if you remember, but it was a lot just to put it in and then rip it out. Because there was no formalized procedure like this. It was a little vague. So I think it's good that we're cleaning it up.
00:38:06.56 Craig Severance But
00:38:40.29 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:38:40.33 Peter Van Meter Thank you.
00:38:40.34 Mayor Kelly Okay, any other questions? All right, thank you, Todd. I'll open public comment.

And here comes Peter.
00:38:54.86 Peter Van Meter Good evening. Peter Van Meter, CloudView Circle. I have some concerns about this. First of all, what is going to be the definition of vehicular safety barrier? In other words, that seems a little arbitrary. I was thinking of the flap a few years ago where some one of our former city engineers wanted to take out those pipe railings down by the corner of the boardwalk on Bridgeway, where it turns the corner up toward Golan Gate Market. And that was kind of a historic look and feel to the town. And so I worry about, you know, is that far enough away to be, you know, sacrosanct, that kind of thing. Also, there's other places around town that have got a certain, I think, texture in the community in terms of aesthetics. I think of the wooden, white painted railings that appear in certain places in town. There is one on Spencer as an example. There's a few others around as you get up in the hills and so on which I think with all due respect to Todd, I think you might say, well that's not up to current standards, let's rip those out, let's put these in some big metal barriers there.
00:39:21.74 Craig Severance kind of.

I don't know.
00:39:58.42 Peter Van Meter And I just don't think that's necessarily the right thing to do.

uh, I think that what you've heard about the prior issues of the aesthetics, people they think went in and then went out and so on, that Design review and not just staff review I think is important for this stuff.

because I think typical And again, Our fine city engineer does a great job. I'm not accusing him of doing the wrong thing here. But there would be a desire, perhaps, to let's make everything as safe as we can, put a lot of these in all around town. And I just think more review of these things is important to do. So I'd be concerned about this ordinance eliminating that procedure. Thank you.
00:40:39.82 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Todd, I have another question.

Describe the process a little more in terms of how this public would know what's going on.
00:40:51.28 Adam Politzer Once a project was identified and a design prepared, we would apply for design review. Well, it will go through an administrative design review process. So You know, we do have to apply to staff. The staff will prepare a noticing, a 300-foot noticing type process, so the people who will be living next to the system will have, will be notified of it before it goes in and then have an opportunity to react.
00:41:24.44 Mayor Kelly Okay. Allison, do you want to comment on that?

of it.
00:41:27.09 Councilmember Weiner it was.
00:41:27.36 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:41:27.66 Unknown Jeremy, you want to come in? If I can add Jeremy Graves, Community Development Director. The way Jonathan Goldman and I have discussed it along is that As soon as the city engineer and the Department of Public Works staff identifies that a guardrail is needed in a particular location or an existing guardrail is, for example, a wooden one may have rotted out to the extent that it is no longer performing its essential function, that the Department of Public Works would prepare a design and then reach out to the neighbors in the area and work with them on different means of providing screening for that, possibly with landscaping in front of the guardrail so that the, while the guardrail, so shrubs, a vine or something might be able to be in front of the guardrail. Obviously nothing that would affect its functionality, but certainly can improve its appearance. And then other items that have been, one that was mentioned at the Planning Commission is the type of galvanized guard rail one sees in national parks, but it is not, it is either been allowed to rust or been painted brown, so it fades back in.

Images that we saw on the PowerPoint presentations are obviously the ones from the 1950s freeway examples and I don't think that's what we're going to be seeing here. And so the intent is the Public Works Department would work with the neighborhood to come up with something acceptable and certainly invite and accommodate interest by neighbors to provide landscaping there. After that process is worked out, then the Public Works Department would apply to the Community Development Department for the actual administrative design review permit, and then that is when the formal 300-foot notice would be sent out, allowing parties to come in once again to take a look at the design, and then the staff would be making, the staff would be using the exact same findings that the Planning Commission uses in determining whether the guardrail complies with the design review permit requirements. We have to take into account its impact on the neighborhood and its traffic safety attributes.
00:43:35.71 Unknown Thank you.
00:43:54.83 Mayor Kelly I know you would never make a mistake, but some future planning director, if they chose something that was less than acceptable to the residents in the 300, is there an appeal process that can?

happen?
00:44:08.06 Unknown It's as with any administrative, any decision staff makes can be appealed to the Planning Commission. Of course, any decision of the Planning Commission can be appealed up to the City Council.
00:44:15.14 Mayor Kelly appeal to the council. So there's a remedy if something egregious is proposed. Precisely.
00:44:22.05 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.

My quick question. Is there a cost to the appeal to take it to the planning commission?
00:44:22.48 Mary Wagner We'll be right back.
00:44:22.55 Unknown I know.
00:44:22.89 Mary Wagner Bye.
00:44:23.70 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:44:23.89 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:44:23.92 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:44:23.95 Mayor Kelly you
00:44:24.00 Unknown you
00:44:27.65 Unknown Yes, they're right.

Yes, there are.
00:44:31.07 Councilmember Fyfer What's the cost?
00:44:32.29 Unknown I don't know it off the top of my head. If the applicant is the appellant, the cost is fully burdened. If it's a neighbor who's the appellant, the cost is reduced by the fee schedule approved by the council.
00:44:52.34 Mayor Kelly And if they win, they get the money back.
00:44:55.44 Unknown that would be an option for the council if you choose, the applicant, the appellant can request that and the council does have the authority to have a way
00:44:58.29 Mayor Kelly Yeah.

Council, those have the authority to have a way to choose. Generally, we give the money back if they win. Sometimes we give the money back if they lose. No, I mean, I think it's more
00:45:09.68 Councilmember Leon I think it's more if it serves a public good is the whole intent of forgiving the
00:45:10.90 Unknown you
00:45:10.95 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:45:11.00 Unknown Thank you.
00:45:11.10 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:45:14.26 Mayor Kelly Right, but in the case tonight which we're ratifying, we decided that the appellant had a good case to get his funds back.
00:45:17.56 Councilmember Leon Right, fine.
00:45:25.46 Mayor Kelly Yes, no, I hear what you're saying.
00:45:25.49 Councilmember Leon Yes, I hear what you're saying. That was in the spirit of public good of that neighborhood getting along.
00:45:26.81 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

That was great.
00:45:27.76 Mary Wagner Thank you.
00:45:27.96 Mayor Kelly Bye.

Thank you.
00:45:29.26 Mary Wagner I'm not.
00:45:29.61 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:45:29.65 Mary Wagner Bye.
00:45:29.83 Mayor Kelly neighborhood.

Thank you.
00:45:31.16 Mary Wagner Peace in the nation.

Yeah, Mr. Mayor, if I remember correctly, the Planning Commission also had discussion and I believe direction that the area also be posted so that other people who may happen to walk by or you know, drive by and not necessarily be within the 300 feet would also be aware.

of the project.
00:45:50.22 Craig Severance .
00:45:52.97 Mary Wagner The other point that I'm sure the council recalls is when this was brought to you about a year ago, I think the city engineer indicated, there had been discussion at the staff level of making a recommendation that the guardrails actually be exempt from design review, but taking into consideration the balance between the limited design options that are available and the need for public input This administrative design review seemed to be a good compromise.

to set up a system that allowed for public input while recognizing that There aren't a whole thing.

ton of options available in the guardrail world.
00:46:26.18 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Okay, good. Thank you, Jeremy.

All right, any other questions? All right, any more public comment?
00:46:34.33 Councilmember Leon Question, Allison, if that's okay.
00:46:34.41 Mayor Kelly THE FAMILY.

I'm sorry.
00:46:38.43 Councilmember Leon As far as is this kind of a standard, if other communities have adopted the Caltrans standards you're proposing tonight is kind of the standard guidelines rather than try and reinvent the And as you mentioned and Jerry mentioned as far as Todd mentioned about testing and all that good stuff is the only way to really do this is if you have enough, you know it's safe. That's the whole point, right? So, but is this a common thing to cite the Caltrans standards in California and go with those?
00:46:59.27 Unknown Hmm.
00:47:08.18 Unknown As far as I understand, when I was doing just some searches around to see
00:47:11.37 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
00:47:13.02 Unknown to actually find some better pictures of what California guardrail standards were.
00:47:16.48 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:47:16.52 Councilmember Leon So.
00:47:16.97 Craig Severance Thank you.
00:47:19.81 Unknown Um, It seemed that many of the cities in California It was their pictures that they were posting, showing what their new guardrails were, and they were all the standard guardrails.

From my understanding, those are very common in other cities.
00:47:37.31 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
00:47:38.69 Mayor Kelly Okay.

Any other public comment? Anybody from the public care to comment further? All right, seeing none, we'll bring it back up here.

or something.

Go ahead.
00:47:55.51 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay, well, I remember when we talked about this before, and I for one have a problem with giving, transferring the
00:48:05.89 Unknown giving
00:48:12.62 Councilmember Pfeiffer design review responsibility from the planning commission to staff. I think that aesthetics are very important and don't take this personally, Todd, but engineers sometimes are not looking so much at the aesthetics as they are the functionality and that's important too.

I think the Planning Commission is the right body, their body of residents, to determine what decisions should be made in regard to residents' issues and wishes. I think that if the city starts taking that on, they're just asking for some more headaches. And I do know that our public works officer has gotten involved in
00:48:59.99 Craig Severance So,
00:49:02.37 Councilmember Pfeiffer tree issues and it's a no-win situation where it goes on and on forever. So I And I also think that these kinds of changes to our town We're not the standard California town. Sassolita is a very beautiful town.

I think that these kinds of changes should be noticed publicly through the Planning Commission's agenda.

so that people who may not necessarily live in the neighborhood but are just Sausalito residents who may go there frequently or infrequently know what's going on in town. I think everyone, all our residents, care very much about what our town looks like, and I strongly believe that this should stay with the Planning Commission.
00:49:58.82 Mayor Kelly Any other comments?
00:50:01.52 Councilmember Leon Yeah, I would just say I understand people's concerns about this as what happened eight years ago, but that's eight years ago. You know, and the actual vision statement for the city of Sausalito says that Sausalito will bring together its residents, commerce, and visitors to create a thriving, safe, and friendly community.

Blah, blah, blah. But so safety is the primary concern here, and it's actually, I believe, one of the stated charges of city governments in general to provide public safety. There certainly are aesthetic questions, as Peter mentioned, and part of that is whether something's needed, period, in a certain location. Let's start. That should be where you start anyway. A lot of the wooden things that were put up were somewhat more aesthetic than there had been a problem in that particular location. But I tend to think there is an appeal process here, there isn't you people will be noticed, public process to follow if people are concerned, but at the end of the day, it should not be up to a group of laymen to decide what a structure should be for public safety in terms of a guardrail look and feel. You can hide it.
00:51:12.38 Craig Severance Thank you.
00:51:12.48 Unknown Right?
00:51:12.72 Craig Severance Thank you.
00:51:16.63 Councilmember Leon Um, put landscaping in front of it, but at the end of the day, it's more important that someone doesn't get hurt, whether in the car or on the other side of the guardrail.

But So this hopefully will expedite the problem. I'm sure it'll make it easier to get state funds for doing this because there'll be less roadblocks into getting state funds for this type of stuff. But at the end of the day, we've got to make sure people don't get hurt and that we can try to do things to make it less obtrusive. But that's the most important thing here, I would argue.

Thank you.
00:51:48.74 Unknown Thank you.
00:51:48.79 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
00:51:48.96 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.

Mr. Mayor, so I have to say that definitely safety is number one and guardrails are critical and I think in the interest of safety and expediency, putting this through the Planning Commission, putting this through a design review is key. I think that we have to be ultimately ensure that outreach, we ensure public participation and I think in the in the short and the long term will find that it expedites the process. I think when I heard the term standardized, I hear one size fits all. That is a concern to me, and I think that going through the traditional process that that these things have gone through would be a safety net for any future requirements for staff and drain on staff time to go back and redo something that causes an uproar needlessly.
00:52:57.83 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:52:58.62 Vice Mayor Leone Well, Guardrails are just exactly what they are. When you look at a guardrail, then the first thing that comes into your mind is the safety factor of it. Why was it put there? In fact, when I look at a guardrail, I look at it to see if it's wobble, if someone's hit it.

rather than just being even. So although naturally the aesthetics come in and there is an appeal process, but nonetheless, when it still comes down, it comes down to safety, and I think safety should ride above all of that.
00:53:35.44 Mayor Kelly OK, do I have a motion?

Thank you.
00:53:37.97 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
00:53:38.31 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:53:40.25 Councilmember Pfeiffer I have one more comment. I think our planning commission is perfectly capable of determining what is safe and what isn't. The planning commission will be receiving the same information that other staff members would be receiving. And so while safety is important, so, and very important, no one's even arguing that. I think that the design review portion of this is significant enough that the Planning Commission should be involved.
00:54:18.78 Mayor Kelly Okay.

I wasn't going to speak, but now I'll speak. There's so much work to do in the city of Sausalito. There's so much work for the Planning Commission and City Council to do that we end up spending countless hours on really, really important matters. Not that guardrails aren't important. They're incredibly important, but they also are a safety and engineering device that is treated as such by the state of California. And when we put them in, we try to put them in to save accidents and lives and one thing or another. So I believe that the best capable people to make these administrative decisions at the level that we're talking about would be the planning department and the city engineer. I'm comfortable with an appeal process that gets us off, you know, that can be used by citizens to get us to take another look at it and make sure that what we're doing is right and fits aesthetically as well as in other ways. So I'm satisfied that this is streamlining government, making it better, faster, quicker, and at the same time, not taking away the rights of individual citizens.

Anybody else want to comment? Okay. Do I have a motion, please?
00:55:32.22 Vice Mayor Leone Is it two items or just one thing?
00:55:34.38 Mayor Kelly I think Thank you.
00:55:36.98 Vice Mayor Leone End of the public hearing.
00:55:37.13 Mayor Kelly That we just need to read at the Let's see.

Allison, tell me what I need to do. It's on the slide, Mr. Mayor. Oh, it's right up here.
00:55:44.47 Mary Wagner It's on the slide.
00:55:45.97 Vice Mayor Leone Mr. Mayor.
00:55:46.55 Mary Wagner right up there.
00:55:48.44 Mayor Kelly in bold print.

So she had.
00:55:50.17 Vice Mayor Leone I was looking at it.

Thank you.
00:55:51.25 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
00:55:52.93 Vice Mayor Leone We are introduced and read by title only an ordinance of City Council of the City of Sausalito amending Chapter 1054, which is design review procedures, and Chapter 10.56, encroachment review and agreements of the Sausalito Municipal Code regarding review of guardrail projects and continue the second reading to December 11, 2012 City Council meeting.
00:56:20.84 Mayor Kelly second.
00:56:22.64 Vice Mayor Leone SECOND.
00:56:22.95 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

All right, Debbie, would you call the roll?
00:56:27.06 City Clerk Council Member Pfeiffer.
00:56:28.73 Councilmember Fyfer you
00:56:29.68 City Clerk Councilmember Ford?
00:56:30.76 Mayor Kelly No.
00:56:31.08 City Clerk Thank you.

Councilmember Weiner? Yes. Vice Mayor Leone? Yes. Mayor Kelly?
00:56:32.78 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
00:56:32.97 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
00:56:33.12 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
00:56:37.51 Mayor Kelly Yes. All right. Thank you very much. We'll move on to, thank you, Allison and Planning and Todd. So move on to business items. Item 6A, which is a request from the Business Advisory Committee to authorize that the city contract with the Marin Economic Forum in the amount of $5,000 of appropriated funds to provide certain economic development services. And Charlie Francis, our Administrative Services Director, is going to speak.
00:57:00.70 Charlie Melton Yes, Mr. Mayor and members of the City Council. The City and Sausalito Chamber of Commerce jointly funded the Sausalito Community and Economic Development Study that was accepted by the City Council at its January 24, 2012 City Council meeting. The Business Advisory Committee discussed it at length and as did the City during its strategic planning and its priority calendar and in the budget setting process. And through the budget setting process $20,000 was set aside as a pool of money to conduct strategic economic development planning that was, would be identified through the business advisory committee during the fiscal 12-13 year. The business advisory committee has identified one project. That project has a scope of work valued at $5,000 and it's to provide complimentary services as follow up to the original Community and Economic Development study and conduct certain business inventory data and the scope of work was attached to your staff report. The chair of the business advisory committee, Mr. Adam Cravazzi, is here to answer any direct questions that you have and staff recommends that they did follow the budget process and that was designated through the priority calendar setting process and we recommend that you approve the appropriation of $5,000.
00:58:26.13 Mayor Kelly Okay. Adam, would you like to Hold forth on this a little more.
00:58:36.63 Adam Cravazzi Good evening, Mr. Mayor, distinguished members of the council.

I would like to start my comment by thanking all of the city staff who participated in preparing this application.

the basis for this application.

Jeremy introduced Heidi to one of our council meetings with information that helped our committee to focus on businesses that would fit in the current plan and that could be added to the categories of businesses that would enhance the city's economic potential. The Budget Committee, consisting of two council persons, our city manager and Charlie, advised us how to proceed. Charlie participated in several of our meetings advising us what the issues are, how we might focus our work in the future. And we believe that the next step is to have professional advice to the advisory committee, the business advisory committee, so that we can establish a dialogue. This is not preparation of a report. This is a resource that we would like to build on.

professional knowledge, the know-how, how to apply principles that are reflected in the study, the Economic and Community Development Study. We would like to think with Dr. Eiler. We would like to establish a subcommittee of our committee and the members of the subcommittee would be reporting back to the committee. They would meet more frequently. And we hope that by early next year, we would be prepared to invite the community for Uh, and informed presentation of options and the benefits of those options. So, as Jeremy and Heidi recommended that we should probably think about a roundtable discussion with the community, Peter reminded us that we should not stand before the community without knowing answers. And we are preparing to have those answers ready by the time we work with the community on considering what businesses we should promote in the community that could complement our current businesses in form of business clusters. Business clusters are mutually supportive and complementary and therefore the 3,000 employees that are now working in the community on various levels and in various businesses could be probably enhanced and could spend more money in town. We know that our
01:02:05.56 Craig Severance uh,
01:02:17.49 Adam Cravazzi Tourism businesses pretty much topped out.

we would like to focus on enhancing the community's development potential on the basis of non-tourism business. Thank you. I'd be happy to answer your question.
01:02:33.69 Mayor Kelly Okay. Any questions of Adam or of Charlie?
01:02:39.04 Councilmember Leon I'll ask Adam a question.
01:02:39.22 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
01:02:41.87 Councilmember Leon Thanks for your efforts in continuing to work on this for a number of years now. It's a pleasure. Help me. I read the scope of work and just help me wrap my head around it a little better.
01:02:46.94 Adam Cravazzi Yeah.
01:02:56.71 Councilmember Leon having read through the study that came through, is the idea here to sort of create, to dive a little bit deeper into some of the data that was uncovered as part of that study and sort of to draw, I mean this is me reading it so I should stop reading this and ask you to answer it for me then, is what do you think the end goal, what's the product that comes out of this particular space?
01:03:18.83 Adam Cravazzi The product would be a list of businesses that would mutually thrive in the community by being added to the current business mix.
01:03:30.44 Councilmember Leon Okay.
01:03:30.76 Adam Cravazzi Thank you.
01:03:31.57 Councilmember Leon And that could be in any permitted business within the community, not just the marinship, but anywhere.
01:03:35.20 Unknown community, not just the friendship, Right.
01:03:39.67 Councilmember Leon And then what's the next step with that? Is that something that whether you're a broker, real estate broker, or...

a landlord or whatever, or a fellow business owner.
01:03:50.98 Adam Cravazzi Landowners would also probably be interested in thinking about that, who to rent to and who to deal with.
01:04:00.49 Councilmember Leon So would this be a piece and something that would follow next, or would it be just a resource that...
01:04:05.03 Adam Cravazzi This would be the next step toward a broader community effort through the Chamber of Commerce and through the Business Advisory Committee.
01:04:15.66 Councilmember Leon And the way that Hey.

Thank you.

The forum would look at this would it be something that could be updated because this you don't create something it's correct obviously
01:04:24.00 Adam Cravazzi All right.

Correct. And what I wanted to add to this, one of the concerns in the community that was voiced in the past, that it's very cumbersome to establish a business here. And I was delighted to attend a work session, sparsely attended, but very well run by Jeremy's office, on to streamline, at the city manager's instruction, Jeremy proceeded in streamlining the approval process and they call it a one-step process. I don't think there is such a process as only one step. But it could accelerate establishing businesses in town. And that is a parallel supporting effort to what we are doing, the staff is working on, that we are most encouraged by.
01:05:27.26 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
01:05:27.28 Adam Cravazzi Thank you.
01:05:27.37 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.

Mr. Mayor, question? So, Adam, I also want to thank you for all of your work on a number of different, you know, things you've worked on over the years. As you know, with this economic study, I initially, I had wanted advocated...
01:05:34.32 Unknown Thank you.
01:05:34.76 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
01:05:42.79 Councilmember Fyfer a long-term study focused on downtown and instead BAC wanted short term focused on all of Sausalito.

and I compromised and went there, but one of the questions I had at the time, was that it not challenge or go beyond the marine ship specific plan because I felt that was getting ahead of the process. And I read this and my question is, because when I read this, it says, provide professional guidance as to how businesses currently permitted within the marine ship specific plan might be broadened in ways that preserve marine businesses and yet provide more flexibility in creating clusters of mutually supportive businesses.
01:06:17.05 Craig Severance Um...
01:06:26.92 Councilmember Fyfer Are we talking about still staying within the Marin-Shirt Specific Plan, those classifications?
01:06:32.07 Adam Cravazzi This is not limited to the marineship area, but it involves the marineship area as well. Out of the 5,000 employees in the city, we have over 3,000 people employed in the marineship area. And they are the most stable part of the community because tourism employment, the varies depending on season, Restaurant employment varies by the season, and the type of businesses that are retail, establishment, and office employment, and artist community in the Morinship area is pretty much stable. What we hope that... We have been identified as the...

Silicon Valley of Marin County.

That's brain power.

that's not just Flavor.

you
01:07:34.74 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
01:07:34.76 Adam Cravazzi And We hope that we can expand on that in terms of what other have.

creative arts are available that we can advertise, promote, to house themselves socially.
01:07:54.62 Councilmember Fyfer So in answer to my question, then you are going outside the Marinship Specific Plan with respect to the Marinship area.
01:08:02.51 Adam Cravazzi we are considering Sol Solito.

Yeah, not just focused on marine ship. The marine ship issue is something that the community will have to come to grips with at one point, and I expect the initiative will have to come from the planning department when the planning department will decide that that plan needs to be updated.
01:08:25.30 Councilmember Fyfer So just to clarify though, you specifically referred to the marineship-specific plan, and you specifically in here referred to looking at broadening you know, So to me it looks like the BAC is proposing to look in the marineship but beyond the marineship specific plans.

Thank you.
01:08:45.09 Mayor Kelly Can you phrase it in the form of a question and then...
01:08:49.29 Councilmember Fyfer Is this proposal going to look at the Marinship specific plan, but go beyond the Marinship specific plan in terms of business opportunities? Because that's what your BIC economic study did.

which I was disappointed with.
01:09:04.50 Adam Cravazzi I was disappointed.

identified a number of businesses that fit, that are not there now, that are complementary to business and could be accommodated within the current If you're talking about the legal definition, We are working within the legal definition.

Uh, If you talk about geography, we are going beyond the geography limits. Geographic limits. I'm sorry. So, we can only look forward to creative process that we will ultimately involve the community's first being informed and then when we have the information, we're going to have what we call round table discussions with some decision makers who City Council, Planning Commission, and then the broader community.
01:10:13.63 Councilmember Fyfer So Heidi has created a list of business opportunities that fit within the definitions of the marineship specific plan that could be explored in that area.

Yes, there also. All right, it wasn't part of the staff report. That's why I was there.
01:10:27.39 Unknown Yes, okay.
01:10:32.03 Mayor Kelly Can you just go to the question?
01:10:35.40 Councilmember Fyfer He answered my question. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
01:10:36.69 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
01:10:36.70 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
01:10:36.74 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
01:10:36.79 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Yeah, I have a couple questions. The first one's for Heidi, actually. The list that you prepared for the business committee, advisory committee, was that strictly the type of businesses that could be allowed in the marineship or was that Did that include other businesses as well?
01:11:01.81 Heidi Burns Well, my focus was first reading the Eiler study, and the focus was primarily on the marine ships. And what I did was identify what businesses were currently there and which businesses were forecasted that could be beneficial to the city. And then I cross-referenced those to the definitions within the marine ship-specific plan. An example would be research and development. That is a permitted industrial use, and it's also a use that could be seen favorably to the city.

Thank you.
01:11:30.15 Unknown Mm-hmm.
01:11:30.47 Heidi Burns Thank you.

I mean, I didn't actually create a spreadsheet of land uses. I just kind of did a cursory review of the EILRR study and the current regulations.
01:11:30.80 Adam Politzer Thank you.
01:11:30.92 Unknown Okay.
01:11:31.51 Unknown Thank you.
01:11:31.58 Unknown Thank you.
01:11:41.65 Councilmember Pfeiffer And so you were interpreting the Marinship zoning and trying to determine which of the Eiler recommended businesses would fit into that zoning, basically?
01:11:57.40 Heidi Burns basically? I mean, I looked at the employment classifications for what would be considered research and development. So there are what they call SIC definitions, and I looked at those definitions and applied them to the definitions within the Marinership-specific land. So it's not an interpretation per se, but it's kind of industry-known land uses that fall under that same category or definition.
01:12:20.20 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
01:12:24.89 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay.

I guess my concern here is high density, so of the businesses that you you identified Would they be considered office jobs or would they be considered light industry or? Can we go down that path?
01:12:49.42 Mayor Kelly or can we go down that path? Let me interrupt here. This is not about Heidi's report. This is about Eiler's report. So the question should be, pointed toward Eiler's report. Eiler is the one who's going to write this report, not the planning department.
01:13:04.06 Councilmember Pfeiffer There isn't a report coming out of this, as I understand. There is a report coming out of this. This $5,000 we're spending, is there a report coming out of this? There will be a summary of findings, yes.
01:13:07.43 Mayor Kelly There is a report from it.
01:13:08.58 Unknown Yeah.
01:13:12.78 Adam Cravazzi Yeah.

Of course. Okay. It will be a result of a serious discussions
01:13:13.69 Councilmember Pfeiffer Of course.
01:13:19.90 City Clerk So I decided.
01:13:20.41 Adam Cravazzi will be the result of a series of discussions with our...
01:13:25.08 Adam Cravazzi is with the counsel of Dr. Allen.
01:13:28.86 Heidi Burns And just to add to that, the purpose of my cursory review was just to identify potential opportunities relative to the ILR study and see if we should vet those land uses further. And it sounds like this grant would do just that.
01:13:43.56 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay, good. Thank you. Okay, and then for you, Adam. Following up...
01:13:49.26 Adam Cravazzi Just a sentence I'd like to add.

We are not talking about land uses, we are talking about businesses.
01:13:59.37 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yes, I recognize that. So a question I have for you are, is your follow-up with Professor Eiler going to address businesses within?

only businesses within what planning, our planning staff has given you, or do you intend to go outside of that?

for the marine ships.
01:14:31.37 Adam Cravazzi We are going to stay within the businesses that are current planning Thank you.
01:14:36.07 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
01:14:36.09 Adam Cravazzi permits.
01:14:36.14 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

in the Marin ship? No, citywide. Wherever. Citywide. No, no, no. Citywide. So you're not going to honor the Marin ship zoning.
01:14:39.25 Adam Cravazzi of citywide.
01:14:41.69 Mayor Kelly THE END OF
01:14:49.51 Mayor Kelly No, that's not what he's saying.
01:14:50.40 Adam Cravazzi I am not...
01:14:52.04 Mayor Kelly Putting words in his mouth.
01:14:52.07 Adam Cravazzi Yeah.

mouth
01:14:53.52 Councilmember Pfeiffer No, no, okay.
01:14:53.59 Mayor Kelly THE END OF
01:14:54.38 Adam Cravazzi Within the marine ship area, those regulations apply, so that's what we are working with. Anywhere else, other regulations apply, so we work with those.
01:14:54.79 Mayor Kelly Bye.
01:14:54.91 Councilmember Pfeiffer you
01:14:54.94 Mayor Kelly Bye.
01:14:55.06 Councilmember Pfeiffer I'm going to.
01:15:08.54 Unknown Yes.
01:15:08.56 Mayor Kelly Yes. So let me ask you a question, Adam. This report, it does not address zoning or zoning changes in the city of Sausalito. Is that correct? Thank you. All right. Any more questions?
01:15:09.05 Adam Cravazzi So let me ask you
01:15:17.11 Charlie Melton Exactly.
01:15:20.49 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yes.
01:15:22.55 Mayor Kelly Thank you. She's got a question.
01:15:24.20 Councilmember Pfeiffer I have a question, if not for Adam, for Charlie, I guess. This has been a joint venture with the Chamber. And it appears that the city is paying for this entire consultation and not the Chamber.
01:15:41.92 Charlie Melton The previous study was a joint venture. This study is the city appropriated $20,000, not for any specific project, but for projects that the plant business advisory committee would bring forward to the city council.
01:15:42.16 Councilmember Pfeiffer The previous study was a
01:15:55.22 Councilmember Pfeiffer Well, I mean, when we started this process with Dr. Eiler, it was a joint venture between the chamber and the city. And now it appears that the city is picking up. Excuse me, I have the floor. It appears that the city is picking up the cost.
01:16:06.68 Mayor Kelly That was just one.
01:16:07.49 Charlie Melton Thank you.
01:16:14.68 Charlie Melton I don't know if there was ever a condition from the first joint study that any subsequent work would be co-funded. The budget appropriation was for $20,000 for the city to spend as the city council decided was complimentary to the strategic economic community
01:16:23.23 Craig Severance Thank you.
01:16:34.20 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you. The second question I have is in the report that you gave us, it says that the council received and accepted, which connotes that the city accepted the recommendations in the report. Did you mean to do that?
01:16:56.98 Charlie Melton Thank you.
01:16:57.08 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
01:16:57.15 Charlie Melton Thank you.
01:16:57.17 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
01:16:57.18 Charlie Melton No, if the action was received and filed then that's what I meant. Received and filed.
01:16:57.32 Councilmember Pfeiffer But...

Received and filed. Okay. Thank you. All right. Any more questions?
01:17:05.06 Councilmember Leon Charlie, a quiz question for you. You guys are so eager to get away. I'm just giving you your calisthenics for the evening. From your point of view, as sort of
01:17:08.61 Unknown So, away.
01:17:20.15 Councilmember Leon someone who has to pay the bills and make sure it all works out at the end of the day.

What can you see coming from this as far as the cities, you know, part of we're not, you know, you can debate the purpose of government in general or whether government should be subsidizing businesses or, um, take the lead or a back seat in terms of development, that's a philosophy question or an economics question depending on who you are and what your beliefs are.

the city's tax base goes.

Could there be an opportunity here to work within our current guidelines for uses, but also through some Do you see some fruit potentially coming out of this in terms of mix of businesses that might actually bring in a greater Um, support to the city's finances, which is at the end of the day part of our goal is to make sure the city's finances are sound. Do you see something that can come out of this process that is beneficial to the city's
01:18:15.28 Charlie Melton Thank you.

Uh,
01:18:19.73 Charlie Melton Thank you.

There are probably many reasons why we would want to go forward to this. I'll try to stay with three. The first is that it is important that the city recognize that there's a need to expand our tax base because we're an island and we can't grow outward, so what can we do to better use the properties that we have available to us, too? The second reason that it's good is that staying within the permitted uses of the specific plan, this study will be able to identify how can we more robustly use the permitted spaces within the marine ship and grow that tax base within there. And then the third good reason would be to, it just slipped me, it just slipped my mind. Those are two that came.
01:19:12.79 Mayor Kelly Okay.
01:19:14.85 Charlie Melton Oh, here was the third reason. And the third reason really was important. Because it begins the dialogue, and here's where I think the dialogue is important. Let's just consider one example, one I've seen in other cities and one I recognize the potential here. We have a very robust hospitality industry, and they purchase from business to business supplies. I was engaged in a conversation with the manager from Casa Madrona who changed his supplier for all his business supplies. And I was engaged in a conversation with a manager from Casa Madrona who changed his supplier for all his bathroom supplies from some international company to a company out of Corte Madera which has a warehouse in Corte Madera and ships into here. So there's an opportunity now to say,
01:19:16.50 Mayor Kelly And the third reason, It really was.
01:19:56.50 Charlie Melton Bringing the hospitality industry together and saying, as a group purchasing power, is there opportunities to locate businesses within the marinship that are complementary to the permitted, or that are within the permitted uses of the marinship, but can serve that business to business community, lowering the cost to the hospitality committee and lowering the cost to the suppliers. Now how do we do that? Well, now that we have more robust information to work from, we can go out to CEOs of suppliers using the managers of our hospitality industry and just say you know it's no more difficult to open a business in Sausalito than it is in any other city. That's a myth. And so now we'll start busting some of these myths that are out there and so we'll begin the dialogue. And that's the most important thing as Adam said at the beginning. It begins a dialogue that is very important. The business advisory committee did take a lot of information together from the community development department and from myself and from the city manager to come together and say what is this next step that would best serve us and then the future is going to be out there with this dialogue and creating the tax base.

Okay.
01:21:08.22 Councilmember Leon Thanks.
01:21:08.50 Charlie Melton Thank you.
01:21:08.70 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
01:21:09.08 Mayor Kelly All right, I'd like to open it up for public comment.
01:21:09.50 Councilmember Leon Um...
01:21:18.36 Peter Van Meter Yes, Peter Van Meter, member of the Business Advisory Committee. As you know when you read the original EILA report, The methodology was laid out.

as to how to look at the multiplication factors from various business enterprises.

And to do that in a way that creates the biggest bang for the buck for the economics of the city of Sausalito, but with the most balanced environmental constraints. In addition, as has been pointed out, perhaps not explicitly enough, the BAC has said that any study that follows from this is going to be within the constraints of existing zoning and ordinances. So in answer to the questions from the Council, there is no intent through this extra study to expand those uses in the marineship or any other area in town.

But the idea is to come through with the methodology in the first report.

to look at those clusters of opportunities that create that multiplication factor. There's more cross-pollination. In fact, Charlie's example of hospitality relating to the ordering supplies and materials is a good example of that. But, you know, advertising agencies, as we have as the largest employer in town now, apply other services, graphic design, creative activities, and so on. So look at these concentrations. Adam used the term of sort of Silicon Valley of Sausalito. Well, the idea here is there's a lot of different business enterprises that feed on each other. That's what we talk about, the modification factor. So we're taking the of the original report and applying it to a real world situation. That's what we're getting for this. And for five grand, it's a really good value.
01:22:54.53 Councilmember Leon right?
01:22:54.81 Peter Van Meter you And it's gonna be an ongoing working kind of process in the dialogue as Adam is crying. All right.
01:22:59.64 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
01:23:03.10 Mayor Kelly Mr. Rex.
01:23:07.28 Michael Rack I am Michael Rack's local architect and I served on BAC when it was first formed and occasionally. The two things I'd like to offer very quickly.

the, The city often asks people to serve on a volunteer basis on committees for various reasons, and I think when they do, It would be helpful if you support their efforts when they come before you to make a request for your assistance to be productive and successful in their contribution to the community. And this is one of those times, from my perspective.

Also, I'd like to add, the question came up, should the city be proactive in promoting revenue coming to this town to funded services without raising taxes. Is that the role of government? And I'd like to add Unequivocally, yes. Thank you.
01:24:06.36 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Anyone else care to address the council on this matter? All right, seeing none, we'll bring it up here.

Thank you.

Comments?
01:24:16.02 Councilmember Leon Yeah, I mean, I think we all have to keep, if you've never read the Marinship specific plan and you don't really understand how it works, the main debate there is not really what's in that plan. It's whether you are What structures? It's really about structures and is it office or not, right? And do you replace what's there, keep what's there, and do people sit in glass houses or do they not?

And.

That's the nitty gritty of it.

in terms of being able to dictate the uses that go on down there, It is.

the Do you try to retain the older type of businesses that are hands-on Um, in a blue collar somewhat.

Or do you sort of twist it and turn it into something that can be done in an office, like say creative arts type of thing, which has been twisted and turned in many different directions to shoehorn people underneath that permit.

So the question is, you know, what do you want down there?

Discussing other things does not mean you have to do it.

And if you don't get as much data as possible, Um, possibilities are, then you're not really researching something. You can always choose not to do something as far as the city goes.

To Michael's point, you know, it's a political and philosophical debate, but how far on that spectrum we go one way or the other in terms of government promoting or not promoting business. But we are responsible for paying the bills here, and so the city has a certain goal in our property taxes are not going to grow past a certain rate. Sales taxes are limited by the number of uses that generate sales tax until there's a service industry tax. That will not really change the dynamics of our income level here in Sausalito. So you have to look at a way to grow to keep up with the rising cost of healthcare and other things that grow at a much higher percentage rate year over year than what our property taxes and our sales taxes grow.

Be that as it may, there's a balance and if you don't pay the bills through one way, you have to be willing to pay them through another way.

That's the real debate here. So, but I, as far as getting data to make better informed decisions, positive or negative against something, you've got to get that information. Not discussing it is a pre, you've already made your decision. So, but you always choose not to.
01:26:39.64 Mayor Kelly through.

Anyone else care to comment?

Thank you.
01:26:42.24 Vice Mayor Leone make a comment.

You know, as an example, when I hear the marinship Thank you.

If you take a ride down spinnaker, rather, Schoonmaker Drive and take a ride down all the way to the end and look at the businesses and how they're all thriving down there.

And, you know, there's nothing wrong with spreading that even along the marineship as long as it's within the zoning. And if you go down to the school microdrive, those are all within the zoning. And look at how that area has really prospered.

You know, to me, it's a success story.
01:27:22.76 Councilmember Fyfer So I like some of the things that I heard tonight, and at the same time, I read the proposal here, and it's very clear to me, that they're looking at businesses currently permitted within the marineship-specific plan might be broadened in ways. And so to me, I'm looking at this and I'm just, you know, my question was, well, broadened how? And the answer was that Heidi had done this analysis in mapping Eiler's initial study to use is permitted in the MSP, and yet we don't have that as part of the staff report. It's something, it's information that I personally would, would have liked to to take a look at because Frankly, I have heard verbal descriptions before with respect to the direction of the economic study and the outcome was different from what I had expected. So I am looking at this with kind of caution and concern because I just don't feel comfortable with the verbiage, the way that this proposal is worded here in front of me.
01:28:48.26 Councilmember Leon I mean, I can't speak to how this is worded, but again, if you haven't really read the Marinership specific plan, there are only a few uses that are permitted district-wide. Every property has a different set of uses, so I'm hoping that the intent... I'm speaking here.
01:29:03.26 Unknown Thank you.
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01:29:03.31 Unknown I'm sorry.
01:29:03.64 Unknown Thank you.
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01:29:08.66 Councilmember Leon I have a minute. Yeah, but it doesn't have to go in a particular order.
01:29:11.90 Mayor Kelly All right, all right. I'll make the call. He started speaking, so let him finish his minutes.
01:29:17.47 Councilmember Leon Can you wait a minute?
01:29:18.94 Mayor Kelly Let him finish this minute. Mr. Mayor, if you would follow the protocol. I hear your objection, and I have ruled accordingly. I have heard your objection, and I have ruled accordingly. Of course you have. So go ahead.

No, I'll...
01:29:32.29 Councilmember Leon No, I'll yield to Carolyn since she's in town and interrupting other people and taking the floor.
01:29:34.15 Mayor Kelly and interrupting other people.
01:29:38.40 Unknown Thank you.

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01:29:39.16 Mayor Kelly That was very snide.
01:29:40.94 Unknown Yeah.

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01:29:42.45 Mayor Kelly you
01:29:42.52 Unknown Right, to speak, before we go to the one minute. So, anyway, I'll take my three minutes.
01:29:49.55 Councilmember Pfeiffer and I will say that I'm hearing a lot about business development, and I'm all for enriching the businesses that we have.

I think that is wonderful. What I am not for is developing the marinship businesses to high density because, well, I'm hearing a lot about finances for the city, and we knew we were going to hear this when we gave away 45% of our property taxes. But what we have here is a matter of quality of life for the residents.

So if we develop the marineship to be high density with lots of office space, with housing, which we get reports from WAM, we get reports from the Business Advisory Committee that focuses on businesses that are not part of the Marinship Zoning Plan. And I have read the Marinship Zoning Plan, and my husband was part of the council who wrote it.

The quality of life issues are the traffic it will generate, Does anyone remember when Autodesk was at full speed? There was a heck of a lot of traffic down there. We have the marine businesses that are eminently suited to that area.

The property...

the property is sinking and the water is rising.

We need to be aware of that and we need to support those businesses. We do have supportive businesses down there already. And our major ship repair and houseboat building businesses are doing quite well. Thank you.

so we must be concerned about that and also We need to be focusing on.
01:32:05.89 Councilmember Pfeiffer How...

we keep our marineship from being overdeveloped. I know you're not talking about overdevelopment right now.

I'm not either.

But what I'm talking about is high density and the traffic it generates.

and the need to keep within the traffic initiative and the rules regarding density in the marine ship.

Instead of planning to develop the marineship, the city should focus on the cause of its economic problems.

Thank you.

which is the unsustainable pension debt. Our residents should not be asked to sacrifice quality of life elements. Traffic congestion and the loss of our small town environment will change our town forever. Point of order, Mr. Mayor.
01:32:54.50 Unknown Point of order, Mr. Mayor. Point of order.
01:32:56.22 Mayor Kelly Oh my God.
01:32:56.56 Councilmember Pfeiffer I'm a killer.
01:32:56.81 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
01:32:56.85 Councilmember Pfeiffer No.
01:32:56.97 Mayor Kelly Time's up. Thank you. All right. Herbie, you want to talk? No. All right. You want to have a minute?
01:32:57.20 Unknown Going.
01:32:57.89 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
01:32:57.99 Unknown Yeah.
01:32:58.48 Councilmember Pfeiffer Time's out.

Thank you.
01:33:04.09 Craig Severance Thank you.

Hey.
01:33:05.47 Councilmember Leon Yeah, sure. Again, I just don't really think people understand the Marin Center specific plan. But the, you know, you could have a property that's zoned for two things, you know, and not, none of them be uses that currently exist anymore, like a printing press business, you know. So that some of that is just updating. But as far as,
01:33:07.19 Mayor Kelly So many.
01:33:22.48 Councilmember Leon Odeville, it's structures and the things that go in them.

It has the highest density zoning in Sausalito.

in terms of what you could build and how close you can build it and how high you can build it. So it's not high density of structures.

It's what is in those structures.

and if they are office building or not.

And if you want to have preserved marine businesses, you have to have a way to support them. They are not thriving.

that the whole marine industry is not thriving. If you ask anyone who runs a business there, It is a shrinking business. So in order to support it, you have to generate a way to make it cost effective for them to exist. They can't pay the rent.

bed and office building.

could pay, no matter what the use is, permitted or unpermitted.

So if you're going to support that business, you have to come up with a way of doing it if that's the community's goal.
01:34:10.57 Councilmember Weiner Okay.
01:34:12.01 Mayor Kelly I'll take my three minutes. San Francisco and most other larger communities all have business development activities that are usually reported directly to the mayor and are specifically meant to go out and solicit businesses and business growth in the city. I think that it's well understood by even the most staunch preservationists that continuing to hear that we must shellac our town and turn it into a relic is only destined to have it decay. The city must continually renew and revive itself. We must use existing buildings and existing structures in new and different ways on a constant basis.

That provides for the quality of life for the residents because it maintains a financial basis that provides the services that the residents want.

There is this notion that you can be libertarian and can completely eliminate services cut it back so you only have a minimal amount of service to your community.

And I can promise you that the residents will complain, they'll complain violently and I've known people who are of the persuasion of the shellacking, who have themselves complained about there's not enough public works persons out there doing enough public works things around projects and so on. And so it's a two-way street there. In terms of this particular study, it's a very narrow, short because it's only five thousand dollars. It's 40 hours of work for a consultant and to provide some new and different ideas based on what the current economic environment provides that could fit into the zoning of the city from the south end to the north end, including the Marin ship.

And the marineship already absorbs 3,000 workers a day.

day come to Sausalito and I don't know about you but I can travel down Bridgeway just fine, except when 101 backs up.

And so there's plenty of parking in town, not in the residential areas, obviously, for different reasons.
01:36:14.81 Craig Severance Thank you.
01:36:21.66 Mayor Kelly But in terms of parking along Bridgeway, parking along, it's just not a problem.

And this absorption that we get will provide an increasing tax base to offset what may be tax reductions in other areas. For example, if Congress takes away the home ownership deduction, they're predicting that houses will decline in value. There goes our property tax base.

I want that tourist base and I want the business base to help provide the support, the financial support, if that indeed became a reality. So this is a very small report.

that will help the business community enhance the use of the facilities that Susolito provides.
01:37:05.85 Councilmember Leon Adam, would you mind coming up? Sorry to make you get up and down. Peter, are you still on the same...
01:37:13.08 Craig Severance Peter.
01:37:16.94 Councilmember Leon Adam, so there's been some question and it's, you know, again, I don't think that wording is you're married to any particular wording in this document. So it sounds like from what you were saying, so it sounds like the real –
01:37:16.99 Adam Politzer Yes.
01:37:29.38 Councilmember Leon people want to debate the whole issue before even studying it. But here's the question and the way this is phrased. I don't know why this keeps coming and going in my Do you have it up on your head? Because it keeps coming and going in my thing in terms of the attachments.
01:37:41.68 Unknown Thank you.
01:37:41.70 Mayor Kelly Because it keeps coming and going.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.
01:37:46.27 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
01:37:46.37 Mayor Kelly the attachment.
01:37:47.10 Councilmember Leon for you.
01:37:47.40 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Thank you.
01:37:51.87 Councilmember Leon Can I just read from that? Yeah.

Thank you.
01:37:54.47 Mayor Kelly is the second thing.
01:37:56.11 Councilmember Leon I printed it out like you said. So the way that I think that people are getting a little antsy about the, it says provide professional guidance as to, there are two stated purposes. One is using the old study, try and identify industry clusters that enhance La CIO's competitive advantages for attracting or training businesses.
01:37:56.43 Mayor Kelly it out, like you said.

Thank you.
01:38:17.10 Councilmember Leon you know, non-controversial there. Second one is provide professional guidance as to how businesses currently permitted within the rent-specific plan, okay?
01:38:18.03 Craig Severance country.
01:38:26.92 Councilmember Leon Amen.

go a little off the straight and narrow here, might be broadened in ways that preserve marine businesses, okay that's great, yet provide more flexibility in creating clusters and mutually supportive businesses.

Um, clarify the intent there.

and suggest maybe some alternate language for that so that we're not debating where this is going unnecessarily.

So is the idea here, you're saying how business is currently permitted with a mission-marinship specific plan might be broadened in ways that preserve marine businesses. What was the intent of that part? And then we'll deal with the second clause, which is a little more.
01:38:52.88 Craig Severance Period.
01:39:05.36 Adam Cravazzi Within the current businesses permitted, Not all the businesses are there.

Right.

There are more businesses permitted than what we have. And our consultant will advise us what might be businesses that can thrive by being next to the businesses. Just like Peter pointed out that the PR firm applies, employs graphic designers. they employ photographers, etc., etc. They are all artistic. They claim to be part of the applied art community. They are not doing paintings, but they certainly generate lots of income stream and therefore also taxes to the community.
01:40:00.22 Councilmember Leon So as far as the, so there's, you know, again, this is trying to interpret what you guys said and not having been in this committee, but is it the folks that is, since there's multi-gender representation on that committee, the, so the idea is to both preserve and enhance the existing marine businesses that are there, as well as provide flexibility around permitted businesses because it's property by property which is somewhat, has problems to it, to support businesses that could be permitted there to create these kind of supportive concentric circles in business.
01:40:38.19 Adam Cravazzi We have excellent tools to do this because not only did the city serve industrial and other businesses in the area, but the BAC took it upon themselves to three members of the Business Advisory Committee plus a volunteer right now, a member of the Business Advisory Committee, John Cox, helped prepare an inventory of businesses and a number of employees who are operating there right now. And that was our first crack at understanding what's going on there.
01:41:18.64 Councilmember Leon Peter, I don't know if you have a... Thanks, Adam. I appreciate you here. If you have a take on how this could be crafted so that we don't sit here and debate the whole plan and the changing of the uses, but still kind of get to where we're going in terms of creating an economic incentive
01:41:22.24 Adam Cravazzi Just a minute.
01:41:35.03 Peter Van Meter here. Maybe it's just the choice in the word broaden because the idea, as Adam said, is simply let's fill in the empty spaces, not in physical, I'm getting to sound like physical buildings, fill in the missing businesses that are the best multiplication factor kinds of businesses that are permitted within the existing zoning. That's what broaden means. In other words, let's see if there are...
01:41:53.29 Craig Severance I'll read it.
01:41:56.32 Peter Van Meter businesses that are permitted, that are enhanced because of being in proximity to other businesses. They spend more money in town. That's a multiplication factor concept. But you know if they're not here now, should they be here? Should they be promoted to come here? Will there be a reason for them to locate here? That in effect creates this economic vitality. There's nothing in this intent of any choice of particular words in that document that says that there's going to be zoning changes.
01:42:22.60 Mayor Kelly Yeah.

Thank you. We're getting way out in the left field here.

What we're appropriating here is $5,000 to the Business Advisory Committee to organize a report based on the comments in here. If we want to change the word broaden to something else,
01:42:40.35 Councilmember Leon Yeah.
01:42:40.54 Mayor Kelly That's fine. But it isn't going to solve the fears that people have.
01:42:43.71 Councilmember Leon It won't, but at least it will be clearer about what's going on.
01:42:45.04 Mayor Kelly Thanks.

But we've already said we have on record that it's not going to be. It's going to be within the zoning, within the marine ship specific plan. We're not going to solve the density problem with this report. We're not going to solve anybody's. But you're not going to get these two
01:42:56.47 Councilmember Leon Well, you're not going to get these two people to vote for anything you do here. So the more of the intent here is to let's put this in a way that's clearly worded so it's at least within the...
01:42:58.59 Mayor Kelly THE END OF THE END OF THE to Bye.

Let's get to that in a second. I think we're not done yet with everybody's speech up here. I see people clicking their microphone. So you want a minute?
01:43:11.69 Councilmember Fyfer Probably not a minute, just a comment that I'm not for shellacking the town, but I'm not for taking a wrecking ball and getting ahead of the Marin ship specific plan. I think that we have a process. We need to.

Um...

look at what has been presented here and the fact that the interpretation of this wording is based on a piece of data that we don't have, which is Heidi's hard work with respect to mapping. Heidi's work is not part of this report. I asked the question, Mr. Mayor, that
01:43:37.24 Mayor Kelly With respect to-
01:43:38.03 Unknown I was working on this.
01:43:38.98 Mayor Kelly Bye.
01:43:39.02 Unknown It's not part of this report.
01:43:43.67 Councilmember Fyfer how the businesses would be broadened, and the answer I got was that Heidi had taken Eiler's original study and mapped that to the permitted uses in the Marinship Pacific Class as interpreted by the BAC, and I would like to see that document.
01:43:53.99 Mayor Kelly I just...

which is a mission.

It's a misrepresentation of this report. This report does not have Heidi's name on it or the planning department or anybody else.
01:44:04.74 Councilmember Fyfer It was...
01:44:04.96 Councilmember Pfeiffer or anybody else. That matters not.
01:44:07.41 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
01:44:07.90 Councilmember Pfeiffer Mr.
01:44:07.95 Mayor Kelly Mr. Mayor.
01:44:08.35 Vice Mayor Leone We're still wearing this little vibe.
01:44:08.88 Councilmember Pfeiffer Jesus.
01:44:09.25 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
01:44:09.64 Councilmember Pfeiffer No, not yet.
01:44:09.67 Councilmember Weiner Yeah.

you
01:44:09.99 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
01:44:14.45 Vice Mayor Leone You're not in charge of this, the mayor is. I know I'm not. But you think you are. You asked me to get out of here. You think you are.
01:44:14.66 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yeah.

I know.
01:44:18.01 Mayor Kelly Bye.
01:44:18.12 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yeah.
01:44:18.14 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
01:44:18.28 Councilmember Pfeiffer No.
01:44:18.36 Mayor Kelly I'm,
01:44:18.58 Councilmember Pfeiffer I know.
01:44:18.75 Unknown Thank you.
01:44:18.80 Councilmember Pfeiffer you
01:44:19.63 Mayor Kelly But I know the protocol. And I would love to do that. I would too. But as long as we continue to argue over things we're not going to agree on, we're going to stay here forever.
01:44:22.02 Councilmember Pfeiffer the protocol.

I would too.

Thank you.

Well, I don't want to be misconstrued and I don't want to be painted by anyone sitting on this dais as wanting this or that or the other thing. I believe in business growth. I also believe in quality of life.

And what I have heard up here, and I also believe in the culture of this town. And what I have heard up here tonight is Maritime businesses are not doing well. And this was something I heard from one of our council members when I first came on this council.

Let's get rid of all these little maritime businesses.

Let's let old Joe Lemon do what he wants to develop his property. We don't need these.

Well, I've talked to Mike Lender. Your one is up. Okay. Okay.
01:45:31.46 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
01:45:31.51 Mayor Kelly Glender.
01:45:33.84 Councilmember Leon Well, you want to paint other people, but you don't want people to paint you. Is that different rules for different people? Would you...
01:45:36.66 Mayor Kelly Do you have a minute?

Yeah.
01:45:38.89 Councilmember Pfeiffer Bye.
01:45:38.97 Mayor Kelly Different rules for different people. He has one minute to say whatever he wants to say.
01:45:44.03 Councilmember Leon But I think we can just craft this language and move on. If we just say that professional guidance as to how business is currently permitted within the Marin-ship specific plan might be Might be...

No, I think broad implies the Marinship Specific Plan. So that's, you know, if you want to get away from debating the Marinship Specific Plan, then let's just put it in a way that says they can provide greater support for marine businesses and that could provide flexibility in creating clusters of mutually supportive permitted businesses.
01:46:21.19 Councilmember Pfeiffer I think that's good.

Thank you.
01:46:22.76 Councilmember Leon because otherwise this is going to go on all night.
01:46:22.90 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yes.
01:46:23.14 Mayor Kelly Otherwise, this is going to go on all night. So we can have that added to the letter. Strike it, though. Strike what? Broaden. Take the word broaden out.
01:46:25.60 Unknown AND HAVE THAT
01:46:26.15 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay, let's start.
01:46:34.88 Councilmember Leon So does that get to where you're trying to go at the end of the day? We're actually editing the letter from. So where does that run against what you're trying to achieve?
01:46:36.15 Mayor Kelly That priest or- trying to go with the end of the day.
01:46:39.98 Unknown Thank you.
01:46:40.01 Mayor Kelly We're actually editing the letter from.
01:46:43.20 Unknown Thank you.

Where?
01:46:43.76 Mayor Kelly I'm sorry.
01:46:43.82 Unknown Thank you.
01:46:43.84 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
01:46:43.87 Unknown Yeah.
01:46:49.86 Unknown Thank you.
01:46:49.88 Adam Cravazzi It's...

This is... life is moving. The Marineship specific plan was done a long time ago. We are conducting business very differently from the way we used to conduct business before. We respect the law. We are working within the regulations and we would like to look for opportunities, and I'd like to emphasize the word opportunities, for helping the existing business community and for inviting complementary businesses that fit within the regulations, that can walk into City Hall, apply for a business license, and establish themselves.

Couldn't be any clue. That's what I'm talking about.
01:47:34.40 Mayor Kelly It couldn't be any clearer. OK, it couldn't be any clearer. So why did they redraft this? No, that is not clear. OK, you go ahead. You get one more minute. If nobody else takes a minute, we're done.
01:47:38.45 Adam Cravazzi So,
01:47:38.75 Councilmember Pfeiffer No, that is not clear.
01:47:46.01 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay, yes. Sure. What I would like to do is what Jonathan suggested, and that is paragraph two.
01:47:47.07 Mayor Kelly Sure.
01:47:53.45 Councilmember Pfeiffer And I realize that.
01:47:53.99 Mayor Kelly And I realize that's done. That's done. It's on the record.
01:47:57.11 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay, so we're striking might be broadened. Might be broadened is gone. Okay, good.

All right. Then I'm cool with it. All right.
01:48:06.68 Councilmember Fyfer Mr. Mayor, Jonathan also added the word, the adjective permitted, mutually supportive permitted businesses.
01:48:13.31 Mayor Kelly And permitted businesses are permitted businesses under the Sausalito Code right now. He added that word. Good.
01:48:13.41 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah.
01:48:21.48 Mayor Kelly They're permitted. All right. Do I have a motion?
01:48:26.31 Councilmember Leon First of all, are you going to be able to get what's going on from the record? Is that the W?
01:48:30.17 Adam Cravazzi that.

Thank you.
01:48:33.06 Councilmember Leon Thank you. Oh, sorry. So I'll move that...where's the motion here?
01:48:41.24 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
01:48:41.26 Councilmember Leon City Council, what the way? At the city, hold on, sorry. That the director of
01:48:42.62 Vice Mayor Leone that the
01:48:50.67 Councilmember Leon Administrative Services slash Treasurer Um, authorize the city manager to contract with a brand economic forum in the amount of $5,000 of appropriated funds within the current budget.

to provide certain economic development services as stated within the scope of work, Attachment 6A1, with the exception in Task and deliverance number two where it's to state that provided professional guidance as to how businesses currently permitted within the Marincin specific plan I'm going to forget what I said. And then whatever I said before. She'll get it from the record. Okay. Is there a second to that? No.
01:49:25.70 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

She'll get it from the record.

Thank you.
01:49:29.22 Vice Mayor Leone Okay.
01:49:29.54 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
01:49:29.55 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.

and I'll second it.
01:49:32.22 Mayor Kelly All right. Debbie, would you call the roll?
01:49:35.49 City Clerk Council member Fyfer.
01:49:37.23 Councilmember Fyfer Well, this is better than it was, but I still am missing Heidi's element of it, and I just need more information, so I'm going to have to say no.
01:49:46.92 Mayor Kelly surprise surprise yeah readable
01:49:49.73 City Clerk Council number four.
01:49:51.76 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
01:49:51.78 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yeah.
01:49:51.96 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
01:49:52.00 Councilmember Pfeiffer Bye.
01:49:52.05 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
01:49:52.10 City Clerk Thank you.
01:49:52.16 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
01:49:52.25 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
01:49:52.28 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
01:49:52.67 City Clerk Councilmember Weiner.
01:49:53.65 Mayor Kelly Yes.
01:49:55.07 City Clerk Vice Mayor Leon.
01:49:56.72 Mayor Kelly Yes.
01:49:57.97 City Clerk Mary Kelly.
01:49:58.68 Mayor Kelly Yes. All right, moving on to item 6B. Plaza Villain-Dalmar Accessibility Improvements, Heidi Burns.

I'd like to say at the outset, this is the discussion of this tonight is limited to the issues of the Planning Commission and that's what we're addressing and nothing else.
01:50:24.48 Heidi Burns That is correct. Correct. Good evening, Mayor Kelly, members of the City Council. Good evening, members of the public.
01:50:24.65 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Thank you.
01:50:33.59 Heidi Burns As Mayor Kelly just identified, that the purpose of this item is really limited based on the Planning Commission and Historic Landmarks Board's most recent action in October, which I'll get to, But specifically, staff is seeking direction from the City Council to either One, approve a design alternative to provide access from Bridgeway to the Plaza Viña del Mar fountain.
01:50:48.32 Craig Severance Thank you.
01:50:48.34 Unknown one.
01:50:54.40 Heidi Burns or confirm the City Council's prior direction, which includes the construction of a pathway around the Plaza-Vinia del Mar fountain.

These next couple sides are provided to orient the city council where the park is located. The Plaza Vigna del Mar is a triangular shaped parcel that fronts Bridgeway, El Portel, and Tracy White.

It's also located within the city's downtown historic overlay zoning district and is identified as public parks in terms of its zoning. This next slide is to identify or show you how people enter the plaza. It's accessed off of Bridgeway, and there's a two-step landing that has two bookends of the historic elephants that were part of the Pan Pacific Exposition. And then there are stairs that are steps that lead down towards the fountain and the closet itself.

So as the City Council recalls, in 2006, the city entered into a settlement agreement to provide accessibility improvements at the Plaza Viña del Mar. In July 2011, city staff came before the City Council and identified a couple project alternatives. The direction that the City Council gave staff was to pursue the removal of the existing two-step landing and provide an at-grade accessibility to the fountain.

And this past October, the Planning Commission and Historic Landmarks Board conducted two joint public hearings to review a design review permit and come up with a proposed project to provide accessibility improvements. The Planning Commission and the Historic Landmarks Board review five project alternatives.

And at the conclusion of those two meetings, there was a condition of approval that required a two-part project or that approved a two-part project.

The first part would be to remove the elevated two-step landing.

and existing asphalt path that currently provides access to the fountain and construct a new at-grade landing and 10-foot-wide path from the landing to the fountain.

Part two came with two subparts. The first subpart was one to eliminate
01:53:06.65 Craig Severance them.
01:53:11.43 Heidi Burns a five foot wide path around the fountain subject to the City Council approval. So at the July 2011 meeting, the City Council previously reviewed a conceptual design, again, showing the removal of the landing, but also
01:53:21.15 Craig Severance THE REASON I WANT TO BE
01:53:26.46 Heidi Burns five foot wide task.

around the fountain.

But the preferred alternative, based on the Planning Commission and the Historic Landmark Board Review, again to recap, is to remove that five-foot-wide path. However, if the City Council does not agree with that, then the prior five foot wide path would then be constructed around the fountain.

And these next two slides will show what the Planning Commission and Historic Landmarks Board approved.

which is this first slide, which shows the sidewalk to be seated in scored aggregate concrete, similar to other sidewalks within the downtown historic Overly zoning district.

The landing, which is now at grade, would be a scored aggregate concrete And then you can see the 10 foot wide path that provides access directly to the fountain.

If the City Council does not agree with this alternative, then this is the project that could be approved as well.

which is essentially the same project, but again, you can see the new five foot wide ring around the fountain or path around the fountain.

Because the Planning Commission and Historic Landmarks Board approved this first alternative, staff wanted to do its due diligence to determine whether or not this would actually be in compliance with the settlement agreement So the city staff went to Kim Blackseth, who was the city's expert during the settlement agreement back in 2006. He is a California Certified Accessibility Specialist. CAST certified is the term.

So he definitely has the credentials to confirm whether or not this could be supported, and he identified that the project is in compliance with Title 24, which is the California Building Code, as well as being in compliance with ADA.

and that the design allows functional areas and paths of travel for all.

So really the intent of the settlement agreement is to provide access for all to the fountain, and this does that.

However, the Department of Public Works still recommends that the five-foot-wide path be considered as part of this review Although the five foot wide path would exceed the minimum standards to provide accessibility. It's something that would be, the Department of Public Works sees as more beneficial Thank you.

so that everyone can actually utilize not only the plaza but be able to go around the fountain as well with the exception of the root ball. Let's see if this little guy is going to work.

Anyway, there's a big palm tree that would preclude the path from circling the entire fountain. If the city council,
01:56:01.95 Craig Severance Anyway.
01:56:11.11 Heidi Burns supports the first alternative, which is the elimination of the five-foot-wide path around the fountain, then alternatively the Department of Public Works will be returning back to the City Council and identifying as the five-foot-wide path be included in the city's self-evaluation and transition plan just in the future. So there might be another bite at the apple to construct this five-foot-wide path.
01:56:34.70 Mayor Kelly Say that again.
01:56:36.02 Heidi Burns So if the City Council chooses the first Planning Commission, Historic Landmarks Board approved design, which precludes, does not include the five foot wide path around the fountain, which would be this project, then at a future date, the Department of Public Works will return to the City Council and identify
01:56:54.16 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
01:56:54.18 Unknown projects.
01:57:00.45 Unknown Thank you.
01:57:01.92 Heidi Burns Um, that the five foot wide path around the fountain should be considered as part of another program or project that the Department of Public Works is working on, which is titled the City's Self-Evaluation and Transition Plan.
01:57:15.47 Mayor Kelly not if we take that option off the table.
01:57:18.07 Councilmember Leon So he's saying, I believe what you're saying is, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that as part of the study that I think that guy did for the whole city in terms of getting the ADA compliant, this was part of it. And so as far as the public works, is their job is to make sure we're ADA compliant throughout the city as possible, not whatever the settlement agreement states. Is that what I heard?
01:57:20.52 Heidi Burns I.
01:57:20.97 Mayor Kelly Yes.
01:57:22.86 Unknown Thank you.

Thank you.
01:57:29.83 Unknown Right.
01:57:39.22 Mayor Kelly That's not what I heard her say.
01:57:40.06 Councilmember Leon I still know that they'll come back and propose this under a different initiative.
01:57:40.55 Mayor Kelly So, you know, that
01:57:41.04 Mary Wagner Mr. Mayor, if I...

If I could, so the city's transition plan and the self-evaluation that's part of that transition plan is a requirement of Title 24 and the ADA. The city is required to do that independent of this project.

For the entire city. So it's all city owned.

city owned property, public buildings, its public programs.
01:58:11.99 Mayor Kelly Yeah, I'm more than that. What I'm mishearing is that if we decided tonight not to build the sidewalk around there, Public Works would come back on another occasion and try to...
01:58:13.51 Mary Wagner So, yeah.
01:58:20.51 Mary Wagner And suggest to suggest to you that it could be an accessibility improvement in the park.
01:58:23.44 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Why would they do that?
01:58:27.80 Mary Wagner Because they support the enhanced accessibility of the park. Because you're not including a path at this, if the council elects not to include the path,
01:58:31.54 Mayor Kelly because,
01:58:37.87 Mary Wagner we have received the opinion from the city's expert and we thought it was important to have that continuity of the person who's been involved on the city's behalf from the beginning of this that we've received Mr. Blackstaff's opinion that the revised project, because you can access from the front, whether you're able-bodied or not, that's the same experientially and accessibility that an able-bodied person would have, because there is no pathway or encouragement of people
01:58:43.14 Craig Severance of the person who's been involved.
01:59:07.28 Mary Wagner to go all the way around the fountain. And the back of the fountain is the same as the front of the fountain.
01:59:09.94 Mayor Kelly Yeah, I'm clear on that point. What I'm not clear about is why Public Works would come back if we voted no.

Don't put that sidewalk in.

Why would Public Works come back and say, no, we're going to put it in?
01:59:21.75 Mary Wagner because I believe, and unfortunately the director of Public Works isn't here this evening, but I believe
01:59:26.61 Mayor Kelly but.
01:59:27.65 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
01:59:32.33 Mary Wagner The opinion is that it enhances accessibility in the park, and if the Council doesn't agree with that, you could provide us with that direction.
01:59:41.09 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
01:59:41.12 Adam Politzer Okay.
01:59:43.35 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
01:59:43.72 Adam Politzer If I might add, I believe the item was...
01:59:47.26 Councilmember Leon You should have just left it on Jonathan and not set up the microphone.
01:59:48.66 Adam Politzer I believe the item would become an element within a citywide transition plan. It would be a detail among thousands of details within the transition plan. It would not commit the city to join in a specific time frame until capital improvement projects and budgeting projects got into it. But to the extent that...
02:00:01.37 Councilmember Leon Right.
02:00:07.95 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:00:07.98 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
02:00:17.70 Adam Politzer the community demand changes, there may be, if we have this element within the transition plan, it would probably protect us against future.

Okay.
02:00:33.72 Councilmember Leon Can I ask Mary a question?

Thank you.

So I think...
02:00:36.60 Mayor Kelly So I think... Male Speaker 1 Well, are we done with the presentation
02:00:38.51 Councilmember Leon Oh, are you done?
02:00:39.54 Heidi Burns I'm almost done. Oh, keep going. I don't know if somebody interrupted her. I interrupted her. So I was just going to conclude with that presentation. Staff is recommending that the City Council either adopt a resolution which either approves
02:00:39.61 Councilmember Leon I'm almost done. Oh, keep going. I don't know, somebody interrupted her. I interrupted her. Oh, okay.
02:00:45.31 Unknown Thank you.
02:00:45.35 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:00:56.16 Heidi Burns which I'll read this verbatim. Approve a design alternative preferred by the Planning Commission and Historic Landmarks Board Board, which provides access to the fountain in Plaza Viña del Mar from the front of
02:01:04.55 Craig Severance Access to the
02:01:10.05 Heidi Burns front and which does not include the pathway around the fountain or confirm Council's prior direction which includes the pathway around the fountain in Plaza Vigna del Mar. So with that, I'm available to answer any questions. Okay. Questions of Heidi.
02:01:23.20 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:01:24.34 Councilmember Leon Yeah, both of you. So there's two pieces to this in my reading of this and the past history. There is what would make the city more...

ADA compliant in general, and then there's this settlement which is driving the bulk of what's going on here, which in the reading of the staff report and prior staff reports, it's access to the fountain.

not necessarily around, it satisfies that lawsuit settlement that the city entered into six years ago, right?
02:01:52.52 Mary Wagner Yeah, and if I can, just to reiterate when we've talked about this before, because that's come up frequently, the literal language in the settlement agreement is provide access to the fountain, subject to the plan that's agreed upon by the experts. The plan that was agreed upon by the experts did not include the removal of the bandstand landing area.
02:01:54.95 Councilmember Leon to.
02:02:12.32 Mary Wagner It included a ramp up.

and then a path that branched off to provide access to the fountain and around the fountain, because you could not at that point access it from the Bridgeway side.

So that's where that around the fountain from the settlement perspective came from.

I BELIEVE IT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE LEFFING WELL PLAN, which was then brought up through the discussion of the design that was part of the settlement agreement, which has now evolved into what's in front of you and very close to being finalized.
02:02:46.71 Councilmember Leon So the other piece is, you know, if you look at the fountain, there is a
02:02:47.67 Mary Wagner See you.
02:02:53.65 Councilmember Leon walkway, certainly not to any current standard of passability for even a pedestrian, around the base of the So I think in terms of the city's greater obligation to become ADA compliant, I believe what staff is kind of saying together is that there is an idea to make it completely accessible for anybody of whatever means of how they would access it.
02:03:17.51 Mary Wagner We did actually have a discussion today with Andy Davidson about that base part of the fountain, which isn't actually intended as a walkway. It's a support structure.
02:03:27.16 Heidi Burns Right.
02:03:28.85 Mary Wagner And I'm going to forget the word that he used of what it actually, do you remember, Heidi?
02:03:32.61 Heidi Burns It's a grade support. Grade support. So what is happening is that the ring around the fountain has a greater than 2% slope, which is not in compliance with ADA. And it's actually this triangular piece of concrete which helps support the fountain, and it's not intended for walkability.
02:03:33.96 Mary Wagner Thanks.
02:03:41.82 Craig Severance you Thank you.
02:03:42.13 Unknown to the state.
02:03:42.21 Craig Severance the ADA.
02:03:48.69 Councilmember Leon Right. Markability. But it has that appearance difference.
02:03:52.51 Heidi Burns Thank you.
02:03:54.97 Councilmember Leon So that's part of the, I think part of the issue here that clouds it from a certain degree that this structure which is It isn't even good.

for, it isn't even easy to stand on if you're not impaired in any way.

whether that is the appearance of a walkway that you'd have to replicate to whatever standards would be compliant with ADA or not.
02:04:13.94 Mayor Kelly that you'd have
02:04:17.67 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

All right. Any more questions?
02:04:21.62 Councilmember Fyfer I have a question about the platform. Was there any research done in terms of the historic nature of just having that elevated?
02:04:32.77 Mayor Kelly I'm going to interrupt because the only issue before us now is not the platform, but do we or do we not put a sidewalk around? That's the only issue.
02:04:40.57 Councilmember Fyfer That's the only issue. Okay.
02:04:41.98 Unknown Thank you.
02:04:42.02 Councilmember Fyfer Bye.
02:04:42.27 Mayor Kelly Sorry.
02:04:43.39 Councilmember Fyfer Okay, I just had a different question, but all right, that's fine. We're limited to those two things right there. Never mind, thank you. Oh, I do have a question though regarding the structure of what you referred to. Is it the case that the perimeter of the fountain is very fragile with respect to how it's propped up around, I mean the cement structures around the fountain? I don't know.
02:04:43.42 Unknown Okay, I just had a different question.
02:04:45.97 Mayor Kelly But all right, that's fine. We're limited to those two things. Never mind. Thank you.
02:04:49.48 Unknown Thank you.
02:05:08.68 Heidi Burns I don't know. SPEAKER 1, I don't know the integrity of the grade ring, whether it's fragile or not. But it is greater than 2% slope and not consistent with accessibility. But it does appear to be in OK shape.
02:05:23.38 Mayor Kelly Okay, any more questions?

Thank you, Heidi.

All right.
02:05:30.03 Councilmember Leon Thank you.

you
02:05:30.30 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:05:30.31 Councilmember Leon Just one question on Charlie. Charlie? Since our Todd or neither Charter, do we have enough money to even do this in the current budget as far as what we set aside in this fund? We do have enough? Because it's supposed to be and this stuff and this, but there's enough in that one line item to complete this project?
02:05:37.10 Craig Severance is.
02:05:44.73 Craig Severance No.
02:05:44.93 Adam Politzer Thank you.
02:05:44.99 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:05:52.20 Adam Politzer you made an appropriation
02:05:53.28 Councilmember Leon you made an appropriation.

Thank you.
02:05:55.96 Adam Politzer for the bathrooms
02:05:58.02 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:05:58.65 Adam Politzer Because you took
02:05:58.66 Councilmember Leon Because you took money out of that for the
02:05:59.96 Adam Politzer bathrooms. Right. And as of...we were talking about this this morning, we believe there's like $110,000 left to deliver this project. That's not going to be enough for this.
02:06:00.50 Councilmember Leon Right.
02:06:11.39 Councilmember Leon We'll see. Let's see. How much it costs for those sidewalks right down the street? Okay. Okay. Let's... Actually, thank you. Thank you.
02:06:11.40 Adam Politzer We'll see.
02:06:17.02 Councilmember Fyfer Actually, that's, Mr. Mayor, I have a question.
02:06:18.04 Adam Politzer Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Well, it's
02:06:22.73 Councilmember Fyfer I have a question for Todd related to cost. So I know that we're going to have to, I guess, relocate some of the wiring and stuff. I guess the cost applies to that as well.
02:06:38.45 Councilmember Weiner Cheers.
02:06:39.03 Councilmember Fyfer Under the current platform, there's a lot of cabling and stuff. Right, there's a system underneath there that will be adjusted. And where would that be located in this plan? Where will that be?
02:06:40.21 Councilmember Weiner Under the current platform, there's a lot of tables
02:06:42.98 Adam Politzer and stuff. The health system underneath there. That will be adjusted.
02:06:49.36 Adam Politzer What we're meaning...

approximately about the same place horizontally. Vertically, it will change a little bit.

But to the to the pedestrian, they won't know. It will remain below grade.
02:07:11.55 Councilmember Fyfer Oh, OK.

Thank you.
02:07:13.98 Adam Politzer that there is a vault there now, there will be a vault there at the end.
02:07:13.99 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.

Thank you.
02:07:18.36 Adam Politzer Mr. Mayor, if I can just comment a little bit on the cost. If my memory serves me correctly, our Public Works Director, Jonathan Goldman, was asked that same question when we were approving the restroom project And one of the things that came out of the discussion on the restroom project was if you recall we were talking about the entire block there, not just the The original budget that Jonathan Goldman was proposing included the entire blocks.

of landscaping and improvements, and there was some great debate about why are we Oh.

moving off of the bathroom itself.

Itachi, we agreed we were going to defer that because that has all types of complexities to it. So I think what the public works director said, if I recall correctly, was that what's being proposed now for Vina del Mar is going to be less expensive than what was being proposed in the earlier designs. So we traded money to the restroom project, reduced money in Vina de Mar, but we don't know. We don't know until the project goes through. I think at the time, the public works director suggested that he felt that that money would be enough, but until we get into the actual construction, we won't know.
02:08:40.43 Mayor Kelly Okay, anyone make a comment?
02:08:44.58 Councilmember Leon No way, you need to go to take it.
02:08:46.15 Mayor Kelly Oh, public comment, I'm sorry. Public comment.
02:08:46.96 Councilmember Leon I'm sorry, public comment.
02:08:50.91 Mayor Kelly All right, seeing none.

I'll bring it back up here.
02:08:54.15 Councilmember Pfeiffer Well, I'm delighted to see no path around the fountain. I think that this is a very clean design.

gives us a lot of green space around it. There's no issue with having to protect trees. So I commend the Planning Commission and the Historical Landmarks Board for their work, and I think this is a beautiful job. I know there will always be questions about the platform and this and that, but we have to compromise now and again, and I think this is a beautiful compromise.
02:09:24.29 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:09:40.20 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

I would move that we tonight... Well, maybe somebody wants to say... Well, I can still make a motion and then we can discuss it or someone else can make another motion. Okay. That the city would approve the plans with... I guess I'd better read this verbatim. The design alternative preferred by the Planning Commission and Historical Landmarks Board, which provides access to the fountain in...
02:09:42.85 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:09:43.03 Mayor Kelly tonight. Maybe somebody wants to say Well, and Thank you.
02:10:10.34 Councilmember Pfeiffer Plaza Viña del Mar from the front and which does not include the pathway around the fountain.
02:10:17.05 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Give us a second.
02:10:22.74 Adam Politzer I'll probably fix that.
02:10:25.56 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
02:10:26.60 Councilmember Weiner Okay.
02:10:28.73 Councilmember Leon But I think it should be clear that we, I don't have to vote on it, but as far as the greater purpose of providing accessibility to those who are less fortunate in terms of their abilities of movement, that the other alternative be considered down the road. We're not discounting that as a possibility so that people of all abilities can enjoy the park as thoroughly as possible.
02:10:59.81 Councilmember Leon It's unfortunate that we're not going to do that here, but I don't think we have the money to do it. Yeah.
02:11:04.93 Mayor Kelly Yeah, that's my mind. Another insight?
02:11:08.99 Councilmember Fyfer Well, I mean, it's no secret that I'm disappointed at losing the platform. I think it was an important design feature of the park. But if forced to choose between the two, obviously I think the less impact to the 100-plus-year-old canary palms, the better, and the less impact to the historic fountain. So I would go with the pathway to the fountain.

Thank you.
02:11:42.83 Councilmember Weiner Yeah.

Thank you.
02:11:44.40 Councilmember Fyfer of the
02:11:44.57 Councilmember Weiner .
02:11:44.97 Councilmember Fyfer Mm-hmm.
02:11:45.75 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.

Thank you.
02:11:46.04 Adam Politzer Thank you.

Thank you.
02:11:46.51 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
02:11:46.71 Adam Politzer Thank you.
02:11:46.74 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
02:11:46.78 Adam Politzer Thank you.
02:11:46.98 Vice Mayor Leone There's a dad wheel up there.
02:11:48.67 Adam Politzer Bye.
02:11:49.68 Councilmember Leon So, and Heidi, correct me if I'm wrong, Paige and Turnbull, we hired somebody and we went through, you presented to us, the platform is not a historic element of the park, it was added much later.
02:11:49.77 Adam Politzer you know,
02:11:53.88 Adam Politzer Yes.
02:11:54.34 Vice Mayor Leone that.
02:11:58.91 Councilmember Leon it's not going to impact the historic integrity of the site by removing it, hiring an outside consultant to study it, and you reviewed it as well.
02:12:03.08 Heidi Burns Right.
02:12:07.30 Heidi Burns That is correct. All of the above.
02:12:10.30 Councilmember Leon Thank you, honey.
02:12:11.30 Councilmember Fyfer Um, Mr. Mayor, if I may follow up.

because Councilmember Leon clarified that with Heidi, I'd like to clarify what I was trying to ask before with the platform, which is, I know that the second platform was added in the 70s, but my question was the aspect of having a raised viewing of the park, is that architectural aesthetic considered historic in any way?
02:12:19.33 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:12:38.45 Mayor Kelly That's not something that... I'm asking Heidi. It's all in the reports. Heidi, no, this question was not in the reports.
02:12:40.32 Councilmember Fyfer Well, I'm excusing Mr. Mayor, I'm asking how you...

Bye.

Heidi, no, this question was not in the report.
02:12:47.04 Mayor Kelly We're not going to go there. You can say that if you want to.
02:12:47.68 Councilmember Fyfer and I've been gaveled out. Never mind, Heidi. Thank you.
02:12:51.86 Mayor Kelly Thank you. You can say what you want to say in your minute, but we're done with staff on that issue. It was reviewed carefully. The question I asked was not. Okay. So anything else you have to say? It's all part of the secret. All right. I agree that I think that I probably, if we had a lot of money in the bank, I'd vote for the sidewalk probably because we're probably going to end up putting it in anyway, and it is an enhancement that will keep us from another complaint. If we have a complaint, we put the sidewalk in. It's that simple, and you solve the complaint. So for now, we rely on our consultant, but we also be cognizant of the fact that we may have to put the sidewalk in later, and we'll save some money. That'll give us plenty of money, $100,000 to fix that front and pour into a concrete apron, I think is adequate. But we'll see. So I support that. So do we have a second on Carolyn's motion, which I believe is for adoption of number A, or letter A?
02:12:56.66 Councilmember Leon Right.

And.
02:12:57.62 Unknown It was reviewed carefully.
02:12:59.44 Councilmember Fyfer THE QUESTION.
02:12:59.93 Unknown Thank you.
02:13:00.02 Councilmember Fyfer Can I ask this night?
02:13:05.25 Councilmember Leon It's all part of the secret.
02:13:50.94 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
02:13:51.28 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:13:51.33 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:13:51.35 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:13:51.38 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

OK, we have a motion. A second, would you call roll, Debbie?
02:14:00.97 City Clerk Council member Fyfer.
02:14:02.71 Councilmember Fyfer Well, because I didn't get an answer to my question regarding the historic aesthetic of the platform, I need to abstain on this.
02:14:11.47 Unknown Oh.

Thank you.

No doubt.
02:14:14.05 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
02:14:14.37 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
02:14:14.87 City Clerk Councilmember Ford.

Thank you.
02:14:16.07 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.

Yes.
02:14:19.11 City Clerk Councilmember Weiner.
02:14:20.02 Vice Mayor Leone Yes.
02:14:21.56 City Clerk Bye, Samir, Liam.
02:14:22.64 Vice Mayor Leone Yes.
02:14:24.31 City Clerk Mayor Kelly.
02:14:25.13 Mayor Kelly Yes, all right. Thank you very much, Heidi.

Thank you. Build. Build it. We're going to wait a few more years. I hope not.
02:14:29.67 City Clerk Thank you.

Yeah.
02:14:31.97 Councilmember Leon and I'm gonna make a few more, I hope not.

I'm not sure.
02:14:35.78 Vice Mayor Leone stop putting such in somebody called jordan tonight
02:14:37.35 Mayor Kelly Somebody call Jonathan tonight and tell him to get the bulldozer tomorrow.
02:14:38.97 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:14:38.99 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
02:14:39.04 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:14:39.06 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
02:14:41.82 Mayor Kelly All right, here we go, item C. Introduction and first reading by title only of an ordinance to the City Council of the City of Sausalito authorizing an amendment to the agreement with CalPERS. Charlie Francis.
02:14:52.12 Councilmember Fyfer I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor, could we take a quick break?
02:14:56.35 Mayor Kelly Just a couple minutes. Five minutes, please. No longer than five minutes.
02:14:56.67 Councilmember Fyfer Just a couple minutes.
02:15:01.79 Councilmember Leon 925.
02:15:02.97 Councilmember Weiner Thanks.
02:15:05.58 Mayor Kelly Up to, yeah, you can do it.

That's true.

Thank you.
02:15:10.39 Unknown I'll try to speed it a little off.

Thank you.
02:15:19.37 Adam Politzer Thank you.
02:15:21.82 Vice Mayor Leone No, no, no, no jokes.

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02:15:26.68 Unknown .
02:15:30.95 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.

Thank you.
02:15:56.65 Councilmember Weiner Charlie.
02:15:56.98 Councilmember Leon you
02:15:57.03 Councilmember Weiner He has to go home.

Thank you.
02:15:58.65 Councilmember Leon Can our audience please settle down.
02:15:59.50 Councilmember Weiner No.

Now.
02:16:01.12 Unknown Thank you.
02:16:01.29 Councilmember Leon Yeah.
02:16:01.57 Councilmember Weiner I'm not.
02:16:01.96 Councilmember Leon Bye.
02:16:02.03 Unknown Talk.
02:16:02.84 Councilmember Leon Tom and Vicki.
02:16:04.10 Unknown Take your seats.
02:16:05.78 Councilmember Leon Shame on you both. Get out.

Just kidding for the record, there's only two people here, and we know them quite well. All right.
02:16:13.56 Unknown All right.

Come on down.
02:16:14.28 Councilmember Leon Come on down next time.
02:16:15.04 Charlie Melton Thank you.
02:16:17.23 Unknown Go, Charleston.
02:16:18.36 Charlie Melton Good evening Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council. Tonight's action, staff is asking you to introduce and conduct the first reading of an ordinance that authorizes the amendment to the CalPERS contract. At your last meeting on November 13th, you passed a resolution of intention to approve the amendment and that brought us to where we are tonight. December 11th will conclude a process that we began almost three years ago as the city recognized the need to lower its cost of labor and put into place a number of steps to provide for a labor reform strategy and one of the kingpins on that strategy was introducing a second pension tier. The second pension tier, the first pension tier, we have two employee groups, a miscellaneous employee group and police safety employees. And their currently benefits are at 2.5% of 55 and 3% of 55, respectively. Through labor negotiations, we have a lot of lowered the cost of the Tier 1 existing plan by having employees pay the employer share of the final annual compensation from one year of service to three years and employees are currently paying that. We then went to move to lower the cost for pensions to the city by introducing a new second tier which is before you today and then of course the state legislature recently passed the Public Employee Pension Reform Act or PEPRA which provides for a third pension tier for the city. So basically how this would work, real briefly employees hired before June 30, 2012 would be in the first tier. Employees hired after July 1st, 2012 would be in tier 2 unless they qualify to be into the new state legislature approved pension plan for employees that are hired after 2013 who do not have CalPERS reciprocity.

The cost comparisons of the two tiers are the existing plan at 2.5% and 55%. The total cost that the employer is contributing right now is 14.215% and the employees will be paying 8%. In the new pension tier, new employees will be paying 10%. Our employer will be paying 10.5% and employee contribution rate would be 7%. For the police safety program, the total employer contribution is 36.9% with an employee contribution rate of 9%. And under the new pension tier, the employer's share contribution rate would be 20.5% and the employee contribution rate would be 9%.
02:19:03.15 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
02:19:04.31 Charlie Melton So, Yeah, that concludes the presentation, and I'm ready to answer any questions that you might have.
02:19:13.27 Mayor Kelly Okay, any questions directly related to this?
02:19:16.18 Councilmember Pfeiffer Before we go here, Mr. Mayor, I have a question or a request regarding reopening this. I voted last time for the measure.

And now that I have the you Is your microphone on?
02:19:36.55 Mayor Kelly that's...
02:19:36.80 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:19:36.82 Mayor Kelly She
02:19:37.25 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Oh.

Okay, I would like to request that we reopen this. The vote for last time, I voted for this process or this contract without benefit of the actuarial report. And now that I've had a chance to read the actuarial report, I would like to change my vote to no.
02:20:06.04 Mayor Kelly You can change your vote to no on this issue, and that's the same thing.
02:20:10.61 Councilmember Pfeiffer Not quite because I will be on record as having voted for it.
02:20:13.65 Mayor Kelly No.

I'm not willing to open it. We can take a vote on that.
02:20:16.61 Councilmember Weiner We can take a vote on that. We have to ask Mary about the procedures. Mary.
02:20:18.58 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:20:18.60 Mayor Kelly Mary.

I'm not willing, I mean, well, first of all,
02:20:23.76 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
02:20:23.78 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:20:23.80 Mary Wagner Well,
02:20:24.03 Councilmember Pfeiffer If three of you are not willing to do it, then
02:20:25.11 Mayor Kelly up.

Yeah.

Thank you.
02:20:26.78 Mary Wagner then
02:20:27.29 Mayor Kelly JUST A WASTE OF THEM.
02:20:27.81 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:20:27.86 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:20:27.96 Councilmember Pfeiffer I'm sorry.
02:20:28.18 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:20:28.33 Mary Wagner So, Mr. Mayer, I think what's on the table is a motion to reconsider. So it has to be brought by, you know, at that meeting or the next meeting, which you're within that. And it's a motion to reconsider on the action approving the resolution of intent that you took at your last meeting. And if you just bear with me one second. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:20:31.83 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yeah.
02:20:31.96 Unknown Thank you.
02:20:31.98 Councilmember Pfeiffer THE END OF THE END OF THE
02:20:32.15 Unknown Thank you.
02:20:32.28 Craig Severance THE END OF
02:20:36.25 Unknown you
02:20:36.30 Craig Severance care.
02:20:42.59 Craig Severance Right.
02:20:52.09 Mary Wagner And it's, yeah, it can only be made by somebody who was in the majority of the original motion. And then you vote on the motion to reconsider. Okay. And you can go from there.
02:20:59.98 Councilmember Weiner you
02:21:00.04 Mayor Kelly Yeah.

So we need a second then. We're making a motion to reconsider.
02:21:04.89 Councilmember Fyfer I would second and I was Thank you.
02:21:07.85 Mayor Kelly If you can't, if you're not, you have to be in
02:21:09.83 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.

Thank you.
02:21:10.00 Councilmember Fyfer I was in the majority.
02:21:10.05 Councilmember Weiner I was in the majority.
02:21:11.03 Mayor Kelly I,
02:21:11.85 Councilmember Fyfer You voted yes to it? I voted yes to it and I was… Could you check that? We are vertical. I didn't have the actuarial report and I asked for it. Remember I asked for it and… Mr. Mayor, do you actually know either?
02:21:12.88 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
02:21:17.24 Mary Wagner I did not have it.

Mr. Mayor, you actually don't need a second under Rosenberg's Rules of Order, and there's no, so, I think that's in material.
02:21:27.50 Unknown I think that's in material.
02:21:29.74 Councilmember Leon I just have a question about what is it in the actuarial report that what facts in there have made you want to reopen this particular issue?
02:21:41.07 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay.

The actuar, if you go back to the cost comparison, Charlie.

The actuarial report, the verbiage surrounding these charts is very clear that the side fund should not be considered in looking at the actual savings that we will be making. The report here for the police says that the ultimate employer annual dollar savings is about 2.6% of the second-tier fiscal year payroll, which is nothing. in terms of the, and that's excluding the side fund. In terms of the... and that's excluding the side fund. In terms of the California...

miscellaneous The ultimate employer annual dollar savings is about 1.8% of the second tier fiscal year payroll.

So yes, we know that when you are talking about second tiers, you're talking about the future.

but.

If.

Whenever this thing Whenever all our old employees are gone and we're looking at the future, we're looking at the same thing that we have right now, essentially. So I cannot support this. I just can't support it. It's not worth it. It's whitewashing and saying that we're doing something great when we're not. So I would like, that's why I'm requesting a vote.
02:23:37.52 Mayor Kelly Let's give Charlie a chance to remind him.
02:23:43.02 Councilmember Pfeiffer Well, wait a minute. I'm requesting a re-vote of our first decision, not this. I understand. I was asked why. Right.
02:23:49.60 Mayor Kelly I was asked why.

Yeah.

Thank you.

But you've just made allegations, and so I think Charlie can refuse to respond or he can respond.
02:23:58.14 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:23:58.16 Charlie Melton Oh, okay. The actuary report looks at two components. These tables are actually in the actuary report. I copied all the city council when I sent that out.
02:23:58.88 Councilmember Pfeiffer I just thought of that.
02:23:59.19 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
02:23:59.46 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:24:07.03 Councilmember Pfeiffer all
02:24:07.47 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:24:09.99 Charlie Melton And what it says when it compares the total cost it says, and it would be folly to think that this would not be our two savings. Next, anyone in pension tier two for next year will be 10.5% and anyone in pension tier one, the city's employer cost will be 14%. And the same will hold true for, and the reason it's less than what's in this report is because we did pay off the SAI fund.

which was pension reform on Tier 1, which wasn't anticipated in the actuarial report. The second thing is we have not paid off the police side fund, and so our total employer cost for existing employees is 36%. Our new employer cost will be 20%. Council Member Ford is absolutely correct. On an actuarial basis, and it was the question that was asked at the resolution of intent, was are you saying that a 2% at 50 is less cost than a 3% at 55? And the answer I gave was it's the difference between the 14.21% and the 15, which is the 1.3. That's the actuarial difference. In other words the lower cost to the employer going forward not counting into, taking into account market gains or losses, this is the normal cost and then the addition you pay for extra premiums. Now the other thing that CalPERS did not have in their report is that we're requiring employees now to pay the FAC1 portion, which is why I subtracted it and lowered the employer cost than what was in the CalPERS report. And so when Council Member Ford reads that there's a 2.6% ultimate annual dollar savings, that's actuarial over 30 years-year smoothing period, and a 1.8% for the miscellaneous one is actually less than that. The 2.6 is less than 0.942%, and the 1.8% is less than 0.607. So actuarially, it is a smaller savings, but in dollar amounts, a smaller savings but in dollar amounts, which is what counts, which is what balances budgets is the actual dollars. So actuarially, it is a smaller savings, but in dollar amounts, which is what counts, which is what balances budgets, is the actual dollars, we'll be paying
02:24:39.38 Craig Severance Uh,
02:26:24.50 Craig Severance which is one.
02:26:30.37 Charlie Melton 36% and 14% on existing employees, and 20% and 10% respectively on new employees in Tier 2, and even less that will be in Tier 3.

One more thing, if the council reconsiders the resolution of intent, then there's a 20-day waiting period before you can read the second, first ordinance. And if we wanted to pass this before January 1st, which we must do to protect the city's cost structure going forward, if we don't pass this by January 1st, The new tier two Tier three.

will be a 2.7% at 57 program, not the 2% at 57 program, and which would be an even higher cost to the city than what we could be facing.

Thank you.
02:27:19.92 Councilmember Pfeiffer Two percent at 55.
02:27:22.85 Charlie Melton The governor's plan for safety employees... It's 2% of 57, but the new one... It's 2% of 57, unless you're in a 3% of 55 currently. And if you're in a 3% of 55, you go to the 2.7% of 57.
02:27:25.13 Councilmember Pfeiffer It's 2% of 57, but the new one...
02:27:38.85 Charlie Melton But if we're at a 2% at 50, Then we can go to the 2% of 57%.
02:27:43.25 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Okay.

I was speaking of the Tier 2 that we've put into effect. Still, the savings are just simply not there.
02:27:45.73 Charlie Melton Thank you.
02:27:52.40 Charlie Melton The savings are substantial in dollars. As you say, there's percentage points differences in annual savings actuarially.
02:28:01.83 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yeah.

Thank you.

And it's unless it's still going to be unsustainable. We still don't know what our total pension that is. We only know. OK, OK, OK.
02:28:12.50 Mayor Kelly We only know for 2,000. Okay, okay, okay. We're in a debate now, and we're not debating. We have a motion on the floor. Right. And I'd like Debbie to call the roll. Okay.
02:28:17.93 Councilmember Pfeiffer Right.
02:28:19.87 City Clerk you
02:28:25.42 City Clerk Councilmember Fiver.
02:28:26.89 Councilmember Fyfer Uh, no.
02:28:28.85 Mayor Kelly Wait a minute.
02:28:29.32 Councilmember Fyfer Wait, are we? No to reconsider. Oh, to reconsider. Yes, obviously.
02:28:29.36 Mayor Kelly Wait, are we?
02:28:34.40 Councilmember Fyfer I'm glad I clarified that. It's late.
02:28:36.97 City Clerk Ha!

Council member Ford.
02:28:39.23 Councilmember Fyfer Yes.
02:28:39.75 City Clerk Thank you.

Councilmember Weiner.
02:28:41.20 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
02:28:41.22 Vice Mayor Leone No.
02:28:41.52 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:28:42.37 City Clerk Vice Mayor Leone.
02:28:44.29 Mayor Kelly No.
02:28:45.18 City Clerk Mayor Kelly.
02:28:46.03 Mayor Kelly No. All right, now move on to this particular issue.
02:28:49.18 Councilmember Leon I'll be back early on this while you're up here since we're revisiting this slide.
02:28:52.44 Mayor Kelly Yes.
02:28:55.29 Councilmember Leon the cost to the city of dollar-wise, because that's really what it's all about.

If we had not adopted this Tier 2 by not spinning this process, it would be more expensive to have a Tier 3 and a Tier 1 than it has with these three different tiers. Absolutely.
02:29:13.75 Charlie Melton Absolutely, because here's what would happen. If we didn't have a tier two, we could just put a big X through that. All employees would either be in tier one or they would go to tier three, but only if we hired an employee who did not have CalPERS reciprocity. More than likely, most experienced employees do have CalPERS reciprocity, so we would not be able to put them into this lower pension tier, we would have to put them into pension tier one.
02:29:34.41 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:29:34.46 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:29:34.63 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:29:35.67 Councilmember Leon So we would
02:29:41.60 Councilmember Leon So without that tier, we're facing a higher
02:29:43.00 Charlie Melton And costs and irrespective of The actuarial amount on a 30 year period, the total realization is the difference between this percent
02:29:54.41 Mayor Kelly Right, because what you're paying. That's what you're actually paying.

Yep.

Thank you.

Okay, okay. Excuse me. I forget where we are. where we are. It's on a very, very
02:30:01.31 Councilmember Pfeiffer Excuse me. I forget where we are. It's on a very, very small percentage. I think we're not debating right now.
02:30:04.38 Mayor Kelly Yeah.

I think we're not debating right now. I think what we're doing is we're asking questions of Charlie on this issue that's before us. And that's not before us.
02:30:11.38 Councilmember Pfeiffer and that's not the question. I asked him a question. You asked for his rebuttal. Mr. Mayor, can I ask for any of you? No, no, no.
02:30:13.41 Mayor Kelly What is the question?
02:30:15.28 Councilmember Leon America.
02:30:15.68 Mayor Kelly No, no, no. Okay. All right. Here's where we are. I'm going to call where we are. Where we are is...
02:30:17.68 Councilmember Leon of order.
02:30:18.50 Unknown Thank you.
02:30:18.52 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:30:22.05 Adam Politzer Thank you.
02:30:22.08 Councilmember Leon Yeah.
02:30:22.30 Unknown Thank you.
02:30:22.35 Adam Politzer I'm sorry.
02:30:23.33 Mayor Kelly Charlie has finished his report.

You ask a question. Then you have another question.

Not a statement, or a question.
02:30:30.52 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yes, I have a question.
02:30:32.34 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:30:32.39 Councilmember Pfeiffer What is our current...

Pension, debt.

In 2010, it was 40 million. No. What is it today?
02:30:39.92 Unknown Thank you.
02:30:40.15 Unknown What is it today? No, no, no, not there.
02:30:42.43 Councilmember Pfeiffer It is true.

It is true. We got it from CalPERS. It is true.
02:30:48.39 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:30:48.44 Mayor Kelly It is true.

And we did it.

They never did a natural world study. I was here.

It was in the...
02:30:54.57 Councilmember Pfeiffer There wasn't a study.

That's the only way you can do it. All right. All right. I'm not going to get a straight answer, so I withdraw the question.
02:31:02.78 Unknown THE FAMILY.
02:31:02.83 Councilmember Leon I'm sorry.
02:31:02.87 Charlie Melton Okay.
02:31:03.49 Councilmember Leon Charlie, the...
02:31:04.42 Councilmember Pfeiffer But I do have one other question that is not that.
02:31:04.47 Councilmember Leon Thank you.

Thank you.
02:31:04.56 Charlie Melton Let me try.
02:31:05.33 Unknown You have one other question.
02:31:06.29 Charlie Melton I really regret it. I'm not having a straight answer. Let me say, every year the city gets an actuarial evaluation from CalPERS. That is presented to the City Council. The June 30, 2010 actuarial evaluation is online. Up until June 30, 11, which is due out this month, and as soon as we get it and review it, I'll be providing it to the City Council, putting it online and we'll ask our actuarial consultant to review it with the City Council as they have done for the past three years. As was told by the City Council, up until June 30, 2011, Kelpers would not and could not give us the City's unfunded actual accrued liability because we were in a pension pool. The actuary did say if you wanted to estimate it, I could provide you a way to estimate it. So I did provide the city council estimates of that. It was on regular city council meetings. And the unfunded actuarial liability at June 30, 2010, using the payroll method of calculating it, we had about $4.5 million in unfunded liability and another 4 point something million in side funds. Since then, we've paid off the miscellaneous fund. We're budgeted to pay off the fire side fund. And so on a payroll basis, that has been substantially reduced. We paid off the miscellaneous fund. We're budgeted to pay off the fire side fund. And so on a payroll basis, that has been substantially reduced. Now we'll get to June 30, 2011.
02:31:07.96 Unknown a straight answer.
02:31:09.52 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:31:14.00 Unknown Mm-hmm.
02:31:14.41 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:31:52.75 Unknown Right.
02:31:52.97 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:32:40.00 Charlie Melton The nice thing about the June 30, 2011 actuary report is it will give us its estimate of the city's unfunded liability within the pool and they will use it on a present value basis not the percentage of payroll basis. So that would be one figure.

And there they're also going to give a hypothetical termination figure.

and we'll be able to provide that to the city council at that time too.

We do provide the information when we get it.
02:33:06.58 Councilmember Pfeiffer So we do provide the information when we get it.

Thank you.

Will they give us a net, what we owe net?
02:33:14.48 Charlie Melton They give us the actuarial value of assets, the market value of assets, and the liability, and the liability less the side funds. So then we calculate what the net unfunded actuarial liability for the city is.
02:33:28.09 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay, that's what I'm looking for. And the last calculation was $40 million, so... No, it never was.
02:33:33.06 Charlie Melton Thank you.
02:33:33.07 Unknown Thank you.
02:33:33.09 Mayor Kelly So...
02:33:33.53 Charlie Melton No.
02:33:33.95 Mayor Kelly There never was 40 million.
02:33:36.43 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:33:36.45 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:33:36.46 Councilmember Pfeiffer It was. No, I was here. Councilmember Ford. I was here, too.
02:33:37.19 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:33:37.22 Charlie Melton No, I was here. I was here too. Council Member Ford, that was the hypothetical termination. Buy out.
02:33:43.58 Councilmember Pfeiffer Buyout.
02:33:44.29 Charlie Melton of terminating from kelpers.
02:33:46.42 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Yes. That's different. That's our tone.
02:33:47.50 Charlie Melton That's...
02:33:47.97 Unknown That's our top.
02:33:48.77 Charlie Melton Bye.
02:33:48.78 Unknown Oh!
02:33:48.99 Charlie Melton Not the same thing.
02:33:49.04 Councilmember Pfeiffer I love you.

That's our total debt. That's our total debt. No, it's not.
02:33:50.20 Unknown Yes.

THE END OF
02:33:50.89 Charlie Melton or not.
02:33:50.98 Unknown Thank you.
02:33:51.11 Charlie Melton .
02:33:51.20 Unknown Thank you.
02:33:51.30 Charlie Melton Bye.
02:33:51.50 Unknown Thank you.
02:33:51.52 Charlie Melton Shameful.
02:33:51.97 Unknown think.
02:33:52.41 Charlie Melton No.

Yes, it is.
02:33:54.05 Unknown Thank you.
02:33:54.08 Councilmember Pfeiffer It's our total debt.
02:33:54.52 Unknown Thank you.
02:33:55.26 Charlie Melton Well, I think it's called hypothetical, because it's hypothetical if you withdraw from CalPERS. We're not considering withdrawing from CalPERS.
02:33:56.58 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Yeah.

Michael is here.

Yeah.

It is what you owe.

No! It is what if you do... No.
02:34:04.51 Mayor Kelly Oh!

Is what if you do minus... No, it's what every employee would owe if they lived out their entire life under the contracts they now have.
02:34:08.19 Councilmember Pfeiffer Minus.

No, it's an actuarial figure. That's not true. It's actuarial.
02:34:15.11 Mayor Kelly You just don't understand.
02:34:16.75 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

I do understand. Mr. Mayor, I have a question.
02:34:18.45 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:34:18.47 Councilmember Fyfer Mr. Mayor, I have a question. I have a question, Mr. Mayor. Okay, let's move on. Let's move on. I have a question, Mr. Mayor. Okay, you have a question.
02:34:21.91 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay, let's...
02:34:22.79 Mayor Kelly Let's move on, let's move on. I have a question, Mr. Mayor.
02:34:25.69 Councilmember Fyfer You mentioned, Shirley, we're going to get the actuarial report this month. Does that mean, do you...

When will we have it on the agenda? It will be in December then?

No.
02:34:37.38 Charlie Melton So, you know, typically we've presented that on the agenda in January, February.
02:34:41.62 Councilmember Fyfer In January. Oh, OK. Thank you.
02:34:44.93 Charlie Melton Thank you.
02:34:44.94 Councilmember Leon So I'll make a motion. Did we have a public comment?
02:34:49.45 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
02:34:49.48 Michael Rack Thank you.
02:34:49.52 Mayor Kelly Just tell me.

Puppy Gummett, anybody want to say anything?
02:34:53.43 Councilmember Leon Okay.
02:34:54.82 Mayor Kelly You'll have time.
02:34:56.77 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:34:56.79 Mayor Kelly Right.
02:34:56.81 Councilmember Leon A motion to introduce the first reading of an ordinance to approve an amendment to contract the contract contract between the Board of Administration California Public Employees Retirement System in the city of Sausalito.

And direct staff return to December 11 for adoption of the ordinance. I'll second.
02:35:19.22 Mayor Kelly All right, Carolyn, what do you folks do?
02:35:20.55 Councilmember Fyfer Mr. Mayor, I have a comment.
02:35:20.58 Mayor Kelly Mr. Mayor, Mr.
02:35:23.98 Councilmember Fyfer Or I can... We're fast comments. Comments are... No, we're not. I have comments. We haven't done that. And I'd be happy to vote and make the comment as part of my...
02:35:24.23 Mayor Kelly We're fast comments. Comments are longer than I know.
02:35:26.93 Unknown Thank you.
02:35:27.03 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:35:27.13 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:35:27.16 Councilmember Leon We just had a phone.
02:35:28.53 Unknown I am.
02:35:29.02 Councilmember Leon No baby.
02:35:29.69 Unknown Bye.

to be able to get a
02:35:30.45 Councilmember Leon That's not good.
02:35:30.96 Unknown Thank you.
02:35:32.33 Councilmember Leon I know what you're going to vote for.
02:35:33.07 Councilmember Fyfer Yeah.
02:35:34.42 Councilmember Leon No, actually, in reality, they do have a comment. I want a boarder here, Mr. Mayor.
02:35:35.97 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:35:36.02 Mayor Kelly Oh.
02:35:36.33 Councilmember Pfeiffer Borders.
02:35:36.83 Mayor Kelly here.
02:35:37.14 Councilmember Pfeiffer Bye.
02:35:37.27 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:35:37.32 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:35:37.42 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
02:35:37.44 Councilmember Pfeiffer I'm not sure.
02:35:37.52 Mayor Kelly Take control of the meeting.
02:35:38.15 Councilmember Weiner I'm not.
02:35:38.22 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:35:38.23 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
02:35:38.30 Councilmember Leon and then we're going to throw it.
02:35:38.66 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
02:35:38.79 Councilmember Leon What is it?
02:35:39.03 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
02:35:39.06 Councilmember Leon THE END OF THE END OF THE
02:35:39.13 Charlie Melton THE END OF
02:35:39.18 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:35:39.28 Charlie Melton Bye.
02:35:39.31 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:35:39.65 Charlie Melton I'm going to turn over my phone.
02:35:40.90 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:35:40.92 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
02:35:41.05 Councilmember Fyfer Oh.
02:35:41.07 Councilmember Weiner Bye.
02:35:41.09 Mayor Kelly Bye.
02:35:41.12 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
02:35:41.17 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:35:41.31 Councilmember Weiner Bye.
02:35:41.76 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:35:41.81 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
02:35:41.83 Mayor Kelly Take your comment
02:35:41.84 Councilmember Fyfer Take it.
02:35:44.92 Mayor Kelly You get a minute.
02:35:45.64 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

Thank you.
02:35:47.53 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Thank you.
02:35:49.25 Councilmember Fyfer So just for the record, I want to emphasize that I feel that we had an opportunity with respect to the 401k hybrid pension plan. And that that would have at least saved some substantial, had substantial savings for the city down the road. And I hope that when that opportunity presents itself next time that we take advantage of that opportunity and work towards that for the sake of keeping our promises to our employees and future employees and for the sake of pension reform, because I think it's absolutely critical. The Marin County Pension Reform Committee, in their report they noted that pensions were unsustainable. Unsustainable means cannot continue. And so that's what
02:36:52.64 Mayor Kelly I would like to say in rebuttal to that, that Marin County has its own pension plan. We are in CalPERS, so there's apples and oranges there.

And then secondly, if you recall, when we sat in the back room here and went over the cost of the pension The cost of the hybrid pension fund was higher than the fund we actually chose. And if you don't believe it, just go to Charlie's office and he'll show you And you can then remember that that was the case. So that being said, do we have any more comments?
02:37:24.61 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yes.

I also, for the record... Watch your heart to leave early.
02:37:27.58 Mayor Kelly For the record.
02:37:30.18 Councilmember Pfeiffer I would like to leave early, but I can't simply leave and agree with your approach because I don't agree with your approach.
02:37:35.67 Unknown I'm sorry.
02:37:35.68 Mayor Kelly I'm not asking you to agree with me.

I'm not asking you to agree with me at all.
02:37:40.09 Councilmember Pfeiffer Good. So I will have my say. I feel that we have done so little as to be next to nothing.

really sad that we have not gone for a hybrid program with a defined contribution as well as a
02:38:11.58 Councilmember Pfeiffer 401k 401k or there's a term for it but it's left my mind right now
02:38:12.10 Councilmember Fyfer Okay.
02:38:19.68 Councilmember Pfeiffer Anyway, We have an overall pension debt.

And we don't know what it is.

And We will not know until 2014 when the city is required to report what it is.

And with CalPERS papering over and trying to cover up and do the same at the state level with pensions, Um, We have an issue. The action has to start locally.

And I'm glad to see that Steve Kinsey at the county level, and yes, they are a member of MSERA, as is San Rafael, has started an effort to start reviewing, provide independent reviews of cities' pension funding. Because after all, there is a conflict of interest.

And there is a conflict of interest when you look at city managers because they're part of the program, they need to deal with the employees, et cetera. The facts are, though, that we can't keep ignoring this, and this is agreed throughout the state, throughout California, that we have an issue. The only ones who are saying no are the unions.

and CalPERS. So I think, you know, that we are making a big mistake and in fact I propose a an alternate motion.

that we reopen negotiations with the union.

and push for the defined contribution.
02:40:17.89 Mayor Kelly That's not the issue on the table.
02:40:19.20 Councilmember Pfeiffer Excuse me.

that we reopen it, it is, so that we can get a 401 plan for new employees and forward that as part of our contract to CalPERS.
02:40:37.36 Mayor Kelly You can request that on the future agenda items, but that's not on this agenda.

So you want to talk? I second.
02:40:42.29 Councilmember Fyfer .

I second that motion.
02:40:47.11 Mayor Kelly It's not a motion, it's acceptable. Mary?
02:40:48.70 Mary Wagner Thank you.
02:40:54.84 Mary Wagner I mean, I guess I don't completely understand. You're asking to reopen all the labor contracts to
02:40:59.25 Mayor Kelly Yeah, that's just not on the agenda. So, it's not an agenda item. The agenda item here is to approve or not approve
02:41:00.63 Mary Wagner The police and the missing ladies to push for a 401k.
02:41:07.82 Mayor Kelly You just second read it.
02:41:08.43 Mary Wagner Thank you.
02:41:08.44 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:41:08.46 Mary Wagner I think the item in front of you is whether or not you want to amend the CalPERS contract as provided. If you want to provide us direction to
02:41:09.12 Mayor Kelly I think-
02:41:17.61 Mary Wagner reopen negotiations, I concur that you would direct us to bring that.

at a future discussion.
02:41:24.37 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay.

Okay.
02:41:25.64 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.

Thank you.
02:41:26.06 Councilmember Pfeiffer motion.
02:41:26.45 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
02:41:26.50 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:41:26.57 Councilmember Fyfer Mr. Mayor, I do have a comment.

One minute, which is when I spoke earlier, I said Marin County. I meant to say the MCCMC Pension Reform Committee that was formed, which said that pensions were unsustainable and, you know, could not continue. So that was just clarification. Also for the record, I believe that the Marin County Board of Supervisors has expressed support for 401 hybrid pension plan. And I know that they also endorsed Governor Brown's pension plan, which original 12-point pension plan, which included that. So just for the record, I just wanted to clarify. Thank you.
02:42:09.33 Mayor Kelly All right, anybody else want to say anything else?
02:42:11.98 Councilmember Leon I'll just give my two cents. So I think this is meaningful pension reform. It isn't the cure-all for all pension reform. That is in the process of any negotiation.
02:42:13.36 Mayor Kelly I'm sorry.
02:42:24.80 Councilmember Leon you have to trade things off. And one of the goals here, again, going back to our mission statement, City of Sausalito is to to create a professional environment of professionalism and esprit de corps among employees. Now, you can only have professional, high-quality employees if you pay them to come to work.

and an expensive place to live.

And if you take somebody's well-being away from one pocket, you've got to put it back in the other pocket if you want to retain quality employees. You can't just reduce their pay and not expect it to impact your employees and their work, their ability to actually live and work near your community. So I think that goes without saying. Whether the pension system, which is the government pension system, will change over time. And we have done, I think, probably yeoman's work It's not completely done, but it's going to take place over time.

Gary Blount's plan, that didn't pass either.

and it came out with a plan that's more expensive than ours.

So, um...

Thank you.

That's the political process in motion, right?

um, It's a perfect no. But here I would challenge the city staff to go back to League of California City ask them to interview you about this pension reform and compare it other cities and put it out in Western whatever that magazine is.

And my guess would be this is one of the most substantial reforms that's been done in the state.

And they should do an article about that.

um, and you should take credit for the work that you've done.

That being said, there is a thousand solutions. There are a lot of governmental constraints about what we can and can't offer.

there's constraints about how people can afford to live and plan for their retirement in this community.

This is substantial reform. It's easy to throw around numbers that don't make any sense, but at the end of the day, this is on a percentage basis, percentages of percentages, this is a meaningful reform in terms of percentage of contributions, the cost to the city. In dollar amounts, 70% of our budget is employee costs. And this percentage of that percentage is a big part of our budget going over time. And we'll reap the benefits and be able to spend that money on other things going forward.
02:44:58.55 Mayor Kelly All right, I would like to say that we have echo what Councilmember Leon said that, or Vice Mayor Leon, that we have indeed effected true pension reform We were the first to do it before anybody ever got excited about it. And I served on that pension committee with Larry Chu, and I know what people did and didn't do. And I still believe that we're at the vanguard for what we can accomplish given the structures that we're forced to live with.

Will there be significant reforms in the future? I hope so. And I believe CalPERS will have to change their ways. And then when they change their ways, we're going to change ours to make the best possible solution for our city that we can under those reforms as they occur.

But at the moment, We did the very best we could.

And we'll do more in the future. And the city is financially able to pay its pension funds, at least for the five years looking out. And beyond that, it's anybody's guess because stuff happens. But right now, we're in pretty good shape. So I want the public to know that and the public to trust that the future councils here will pay a lot of attention to what goes on with our finance director, Charlie. We'll continue to put out good numbers that represent, fairly represent the actual situation that the city finds itself in. All right. Does anybody care to say anything else? All right. Debbie, call the roll, please.
02:46:22.01 City Clerk I don't know.

to say.
02:46:22.94 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:46:26.72 City Clerk Councilmember Pfeiffer.

Thank you.
02:46:28.19 Mayor Kelly No.
02:46:29.05 City Clerk Council member Ford?
02:46:30.05 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
02:46:30.07 Mayor Kelly I know.
02:46:30.47 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
02:46:30.88 City Clerk Council Member Weiner?
02:46:32.24 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
02:46:32.33 City Clerk Thank you.

Vice Mayor Leon.
02:46:34.89 Councilmember Leon Yes.
02:46:35.67 City Clerk Mayor Kelly.
02:46:36.33 Mayor Kelly Yes. All right. We're down to number D. Introduction and first reading by title only of an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending Chapter 2.08 of Title II of the Sausalito Municipal Code defining the duties and powers of the City Manager.

Debbie, you're going to speak on this?
02:46:53.30 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.

I'm sorry.
02:46:54.04 City Clerk I shall speak. Thank you, Mary and Council Members. Okay.
02:46:54.60 Councilmember Weiner I'll see.

Yeah.
02:46:57.35 Mayor Kelly Okay.
02:46:57.71 Vice Mayor Leone Thanks, Charlie. Thanks, Charlie. Thank you, Charlie.
02:47:00.74 City Clerk The item that's before you tonight is basically a cleanup job on the municipal code.

It's interesting how this came to our attention.

during one of our recent all hands meetings that the city manager holds quarterly It was an anonymous question that came forward that said, Hey, there's this law on the books that says a city manager is supposed to reside in the city of Sausalito, and if that's there, What other laws are on the books that aren't being upheld.

And so
02:47:34.06 Councilmember Leon Oh, you've got to lose that personality. It was a great question. Yeah, it was a really great question.
02:47:35.02 City Clerk Thank you.

It was a great question. It was a really great question. So as we pulled everything together, we found it's a 1950s ordinance. A little bit behind the times.
02:47:42.61 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:47:42.63 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
02:47:42.64 Councilmember Leon Bye.
02:47:42.68 Councilmember Weiner Well, that's it.
02:47:42.91 Councilmember Leon you
02:47:42.97 Councilmember Weiner There's some handwriting in there.
02:47:43.98 Councilmember Leon I'm not sure.
02:47:44.03 Councilmember Weiner else is on that thing.
02:47:48.80 Councilmember Weiner I'm teasing.

Thank you.
02:47:51.99 City Clerk So as we looked into it, my first reaction was, well, past practice obviously has governed. The city manager is not mandated to live within the city limits.

Uh, And that's what I wrote in the staff report. And I recommended repealing this section because past practice has that the city manager does not live within the city limits. There's been issues with purchasing houses, selling houses, stipends, whatever.

Since I wrote this staff report, the city attorney came up with a California constitutional code that says that you are not allowed to mandate an employee to live within the city limits.

So, Clean up.

We need to repeal that section.
02:48:39.44 Councilmember Weiner I'm sorry.
02:48:39.63 City Clerk Thank you.

The other section within this chapter that needs to be cleaned up is the requirement for a surety bond.

And that is because, when the when Charlie and I were looking at the old law that requested the surety bonds, it was rather embarrassing the amounts. I mean, they only wanted a $5,000 surety bond.

But what it is, These are now covered in the joint powers agreement for our insurance, and that is called a government crime policy.
02:49:09.68 Craig Severance Thank you.

And...
02:49:13.97 City Clerk And there is an endorsement that is add faithful performance of duty coverage for government employees. So again, we're covered there. Might as well clean it up and also repeal that section.
02:49:28.06 Mayor Kelly Okay, any questions? Questions if you have any questions?
02:49:28.92 City Clerk Questions if you have any.
02:49:34.61 Mayor Kelly No questions?

All right, public comment?

No public comment.

Bring it back up here. Anybody want to say anything about this or we just go to a motion?
02:49:46.64 Councilmember Fyfer I have a question for Mary.

Mary, where is the reference to the California Constitution? I'm sorry, I didn't see that in the staff report.
02:50:00.29 Mary Wagner Let's go.
02:50:00.40 Unknown It's going to be a great day.

Thank you.
02:50:00.92 Councilmember Fyfer Go.
02:50:01.36 Mary Wagner It's...
02:50:01.90 Councilmember Fyfer I've had this discussion a couple times
02:50:02.07 Mary Wagner I had this discussion a couple times actually, and it came up
02:50:04.68 Councilmember Fyfer It came up. I'm sorry, go ahead, answer it. Go ahead with your answer, sorry.
02:50:08.98 Mary Wagner It's California Constitution Article 11, Section 10b.

And it specifically states that a local government body may not require that its employees be residents of the city, except that such employees may be required to reside within a reasonable and specified distance of their place of employment.

or other designated locations.

There's also a government code section that provides the same thing. It's California government code section 50083. No local agency or district shall require that its employees be residents of such local agency or district.

There's also supporting case law and attorney general opinions on the subject.
02:50:49.94 Councilmember Fyfer So the term reasonable distance, is that what I heard in Code 11, Section 10b?
02:50:57.38 Mary Wagner Yes.
02:50:57.80 Councilmember Fyfer How do they define reasonable distance?
02:51:00.79 Mary Wagner It's judged on a case-by-case basis. For example, there was an opinion that dealt with an employee who was a sewer district worker who was required to be available to come, you know, flip switches in the middle of the night if required. So there was a, you know, a time requirement, how long would it take you to get
02:51:14.63 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:51:14.66 Adam Politzer All right.
02:51:20.96 Mary Wagner to the jurisdiction.
02:51:23.60 Mayor Kelly but it's subjective.
02:51:25.63 Mary Wagner It's a case-by-case application. What are your, why do you need to be close? What is it that you do that requires that you be uh, close, um, And as this has evolved, what jurisdictions have done is to provide incentives for employees to live close or within their jurisdiction in terms of housing allowances, loans. You know, the last city manager had a joint agreement with the council where the city owned half the house.

And as the city clerk indicated, it hasn't been applied In recent memory, consistently, other city managers have lived as far away as Napa, Sonoma, I don't know the rest of the history, but clearly an antiquated provision that's actually unconstitutional.
02:52:13.83 Mayor Kelly They actually It was not a requirement that the city manager live here with the house. The house was actually an incentive to get the city manager to be here at all because of the high cost of housing in Marin.
02:52:20.88 Mary Wagner Mm-hmm.
02:52:23.43 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
02:52:23.53 Councilmember Fyfer All right.
02:52:23.70 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:52:23.73 Craig Severance Thank you.
02:52:26.78 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:52:26.80 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:52:26.82 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:52:27.04 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:52:27.92 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:52:27.97 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:52:28.03 Mayor Kelly Uh-oh.
02:52:28.30 Councilmember Pfeiffer Oh.
02:52:28.56 Mayor Kelly Question?
02:52:28.98 Councilmember Pfeiffer Are you finished? I am. Thank you. Okay. Yes, I have a question. Is it legal to, when you're interviewing people and choosing people for a job, is it legal to assign points, extra points, in other words, to give people who will live in town extra points in terms of choosing that person if you're working off a point system?
02:52:31.36 Councilmember Fyfer I can't.
02:52:31.63 Mayor Kelly Mm-hmm.
02:52:31.92 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
02:52:31.97 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:52:58.75 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
02:52:58.76 Mary Wagner I don't know the answer to that question. I think if you can't require somebody to live in your jurisdiction, I don't know if you can give them preferential treatment. If they will, I don't know.
02:53:08.43 Councilmember Pfeiffer Okay, because I think it is important and it's very nice to have our employees live here. So I would like to suggest that we explore that a little bit. I'd like to find out the answer to that.
02:53:21.19 Mary Wagner I think it would depend, Councilmember Ford, on what their duties are.

You know, so if you're going to provide incentives for employees to live closer to town, It's been upheld in the public safety context to provide those types of incentives because there's a benefit to have your public safety employees
02:53:35.52 Craig Severance there's a
02:53:38.59 Mary Wagner reside in town and that was typically done, I believe, through a redevelopment housing type programs, so I don't know if those programs are still, I mean, they're not in existence anymore because redevelopment programs are no longer in existence, but There are ways to incentivize employees to live closer. I don't know if you can give them hiring um, bonuses or hiring preferences.

because they are local, but we can find that out.
02:54:05.45 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yeah, that's actually a human resources question.
02:54:08.68 Mary Wagner Yeah, but it's something we can look into.
02:54:10.85 Councilmember Pfeiffer OK, thank you.
02:54:13.33 Mayor Kelly Right.

Any more questions? No. Just a quick question.
02:54:15.88 Councilmember Leon Just a quick question. So you might want to look at, I think it's in the future, section 208.100, where about who the city manager can appoint and not appoint, and those titles, because you might look at that one.

You might want to look at that one, because that's not our practice, but it's in here. That the city manager can't appoint the city attorney, city clerk, or city treasurer. So you might want to look at that. Maybe we pass subsequent things there.
02:54:51.39 Councilmember Weiner Maybe we pass subsequent things there.

you
02:54:54.68 Councilmember Leon Yeah, but the city treasurer or the city attorney we already do, but I don't know, you might want to look at that one. And then And this is also just to point this out in terms of part of our protocols is repeated in this thing I don't know when this was passed, but is that
02:54:55.28 Councilmember Weiner Of course.

to do
02:54:58.80 Unknown Yeah.
02:54:59.27 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
02:55:02.86 Craig Severance Yeah.
02:55:03.03 Unknown Okay.
02:55:17.36 Councilmember Leon This is 208220, that City Council members shall deal with administrative services of the City only through the City Manager except for purposes of inquiry. And neither the City Council nor any member thereof shall give orders to subordinates of the City Manager.
02:55:30.07 Vice Mayor Leone and you.
02:55:30.39 Unknown Thank you.
02:55:35.30 Councilmember Leon That's better.

which has not been the practice of some council members.
02:55:36.16 Unknown which, Mm-hmm.
02:55:38.94 Councilmember Leon And the city manager shall take his orders and instructions to the city council only when sitting in a duly held meeting with the city council, and no individual council shall give orders or instructions to the city manager, which is also not been the practice from some council members. So just to remind us of those.
02:55:54.84 Vice Mayor Leone Okay, any more questions? Yeah, just one note.

Thank you.

This was passed in 1955. They didn't even have fax machines. They didn't even have cell phones. They didn't have computers. So this is so far outdated, it's ridiculous.
02:56:04.64 Councilmember Weiner Mm-hmm.
02:56:12.73 Mayor Kelly Well, we'll look for more opportunities to change the code, but right now we have two items on our agenda. I have a question. So, okay.
02:56:18.36 Councilmember Fyfer I have a question, Mr. Mayor. So,
02:56:27.76 Councilmember Fyfer 2.08.250, removal procedure. The removal of the city manager shall be only...
02:56:33.90 Mayor Kelly We're not talking about that tonight.
02:56:36.33 Councilmember Fyfer No, no, excuse me, but Council Member Leon just pointed out two elements.
02:56:39.89 Mayor Kelly No, I'm sorry.
02:56:43.18 Councilmember Fyfer The point that I'm making here is this contradicts a change that was made to the city manager's package, pay package in January 2011.
02:56:43.86 Unknown Thank you.
02:56:43.88 Adam Cravazzi that I'm making here is this kind of...
02:56:56.70 Mayor Kelly I believe. Because we made the... You may or may not be right, but we're not dealing with that tonight. We're only dealing with two things, okay?
02:56:57.31 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.

Because we made the Well, I...

Well, another council member pointed out two discrepancies. I'm pointing out a third.
02:57:06.67 Mayor Kelly 20.

Thank you.
02:57:09.41 Mary Wagner It was.
02:57:09.58 Mayor Kelly Thank you very much, duly noted.
02:57:09.76 Mary Wagner Mr. Mayor.

Just if I may, I think this is a process question versus the Council's contractual obligation about severance. I don't believe they're mutually exclusive.
02:57:17.54 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
02:57:21.34 Mary Wagner Thank you.
02:57:21.35 Mayor Kelly Right.

But right now before us, we have two issues, okay? So does anybody have any more questions on those two issues? All right. Seeing none, anybody in the public want to comment on this? All right. Seeing none, bring it back up here.
02:57:29.74 Councilmember Weiner Yeah.
02:57:41.15 Mayor Kelly I'll make the motion. Go ahead. Introduction, first reading by title only in Northern City Council, City of Sausalito, amending Chapter 2.08 of Title II of the Sausalito Municipal Code, defining duties and powers of the city manager.
02:57:42.52 Unknown Thank you.
02:57:53.99 Mayor Kelly Second.

Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion?
02:58:01.75 Mayor Kelly Debbie, would you call her own?
02:58:04.07 City Clerk Councilmember Fyfer.
02:58:05.35 Mayor Kelly Yes.
02:58:06.14 City Clerk Council member Ford. Yes.

Thank you.

Councilmember Weiner.
02:58:09.64 Mayor Kelly Yes.
02:58:10.02 City Clerk Vice Mayor Leone.
02:58:11.93 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
02:58:12.67 City Clerk Mayor Kelly.
02:58:13.48 Mayor Kelly Yes.

All right, that moves us to item 7A, city manager information for the council.
02:58:15.20 Unknown Mr. President.
02:58:19.81 Unknown Sure.
02:58:20.13 Councilmember Pfeiffer No, we have, don't we have?
02:58:20.17 Mayor Kelly THE END OF THE END OF THE
02:58:20.23 Unknown .
02:58:20.27 Mayor Kelly THE END OF
02:58:20.33 Unknown Thank you.
02:58:22.80 Councilmember Pfeiffer Oh, sorry. Let's do it.
02:58:25.67 Unknown Thank you.
02:58:25.68 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:58:25.70 Unknown I'm interested.
02:58:25.72 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
02:58:25.97 Councilmember Pfeiffer That's right. We just did. Okay. He's done. Slight. So...
02:58:26.07 Councilmember Leon That's right.
02:58:26.58 Unknown Thank you.
02:58:26.68 Councilmember Leon Okay. He's done.

So...

Adam.

Three versus the other number.
02:58:35.03 Adam Politzer here.
02:58:39.40 Adam Politzer for your information and then also respond to Council Member Piper's question on the kiosk. I'll start there. The Chamber of Commerce working with the city, specifically with the police chief, police department, looking at how to better utilize the volunteers at the kiosk, how to look at how the space is being equipped. They just recently went before the Planning Commission and the Planning Commission approved putting an ATM machine in there. So it needed to be shut down for a little bit of time for them to do the construction. Traditionally during this time of the year, they do close it down for about a month during the end of the winter season here, traditionally in January. And they are also looking at the roles of the volunteers that serve the kiosk. Part of the discussion that the chamber is having and important to clarify the chamber is supervises and appoints the volunteers that the city has no responsibility of supervising the volunteers and it's worked very well because we've had some great volunteers that have lived in our community for a long time, so they don't need a whole lot of supervising. But the discussion about what they wear and the information they provided, the training that they received came up, and so they thought this was an opportunity to combine a program that Jennifer Tejada introduced to the chamber, which was an ambassador program, which were volunteers that helped with all the bicyclists, make sure that they knew where to park their bikes, how to find out when the next barrier was coming. Because the kiosks folks didn't want to deal with the bicycles, they didn't want to deal with the bicycle reservation, but it didn't make a whole lot of sense to have two different programs right here at the same location where the volunteers are needed. So the chamber has closed down the FIOP to make some improvements and then also to provide an opportunity to train and give a little bit of more guidance and structure.
02:59:18.64 Unknown when you're seeing some of your
02:59:49.92 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:00:43.26 Adam Politzer Thank you.

you you How was the action from the legislature?
03:00:47.97 Councilmember Fyfer Can I ask a couple questions or should I wait? So I used to volunteer for the kiosk like, what, 15 years ago or something with Frank Papachek. And to my recollection, at least at that time, we didn't close it down in the winter. We just, it was just more about hours and availability. It was clear, you know, because it was all volunteer, and it was clear that the crowds were not as, you know, large as the summertime, so we would adjust. So but if they're closing it for the ATM installation, you know, I can understand that. But are you saying that the chamber now wants to operate the kiosk not, I mean, specifically direct answer questions regarding bicycles or is that what I heard or is it because
03:01:46.97 Adam Politzer questions that the visitors have at the key out is what are five tickets to these fairies? The ones that are next there are the companies. That's where the folks that are standing around. Folks getting off will come over here and ask during March. As we also know, the back house has provided a service. They have menus and they're able to give some access. But you also pointed out something that I I think was that there was no real continuity of when it was open. It was dependent on some of the volunteers that happened to be seniors. If they didn't feel well, they had the opportunity. There was no consequence, nor was there a backup plan except for whether it was ranked, whether it was billed, or some the regular take, we'll just make sure that they're there. So I think that it's important that they look at what's the structure and then what are the new demands there to make sure that the people that are volunteer are equipped to answer questions, their health, their residents have a very experienced both in the deep coming off the road and if they look at the point of view of the road.

Anybody else has parking questions. I have a couple of figuring out how to use the parking machines or I'm parking at the meters and I don't have any corridors. So they've had corridors both at the ISA and at the Kia. So I mean it's not a, it's more of a coordinated effort versus a consultant.
03:03:16.66 Councilmember Fyfer And so just for the record, too, I'll just say that I just, since we're talking about the visitor kiosk, I just want to commend Bill and Jean Patterson and, you know, all the people who have volunteered for that, and they've done a great job. I even went through training back then, you know, on the questions that would be asked, and there's just a lot of heart that goes into that kiosk, and I just really, my hat's off to everything that they've done.
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03:04:04.99 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:04:05.55 Adam Politzer Thank you.

you Thank you.

We've not had a pretty many support of meetings here. We're going to pay some time when the patients are not happy. But the school district is in our own favor of the letter to the editor. The school district is moving forward, not on the bond, but on separating the two schools. So there is a discussion that's going on at the board meetings. And I plan for next September, I think, to the start of the next school year, 2013, for Bayside to consolidate the NAFTA on the Lindsay campus and grow free to expand on the Bayside campus. before they were talking about passing the bond, so they made sure that the facilities, the local location, would be up to far. Now they're screaming for the people on the loan to be able to par. Now they're swimming forward to taking out a loan to be able to put in at least high-quality portable units and even on the stateside to bring that school site up to a level of attendance capacity if one of the students are expecting to attend that location.

you Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.
03:05:19.96 Adam Politzer and expanding the school system and plus the system, they're making an out to impact the residents' quality of life and continue to support our families there, which is important. So again, we encourage you to go to the school website, go to the clinics, go to their meetings scheduled and plan to attend meeting or reach out to their board members Thank you. scheduled and planned to attend meetings or reach out to their board members or to their superintendent on their face. If they have to come to a future meeting, again, we'll look at coming and do that in the local community or opportunity for them to share what their plans are in the process to attend and have them.

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03:06:09.04 Unknown Thank you.
03:06:11.11 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:06:11.30 Unknown Thank you.
03:06:11.33 Adam Politzer you
03:06:11.57 Unknown Thank you.
03:06:11.58 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:06:11.87 Unknown you
03:06:12.53 Adam Politzer The special event season, you heard about the many that are sometimes not looked at as significant as what happens in the summer, but they are not done because we go into the winter here in December and some fun events that are coming to Susa Cibill, includes the Yacht Parade, and then they are looking to do a variety of activity at the Chamber of of Commerce, working with the Yacht Club, to do the Taste of San Francisco during the Yacht Parade. So they're here to bring warm folks to town, both a combination of events to bring people down the shop and also events to bring people off to the hill to enjoy the downtown community community. So a variety of fun activities that we're scheduled in December. We'll visit the city's website, the publication website, or the new magazine that we're expected to come out. And as I mentioned, we'll also have all these things that we can do and I'm sure we'll have some time to follow you.
03:06:13.17 Unknown .
03:07:18.86 Adam Politzer Thank you.

We all serve our students. We are already part of the invitation for the December 13th. Please, I'm sure you are part of the teaching of those particular areas.

and then finally one of the functions that you may have known the Senator of the other program passed by the day just handed out the national grants that you passed at the last council meeting to get free holiday parking up the meters downtown and you collect some money that people still don't make to do progress and then we get money to get and then do any plans.

how to do services out there in our county.

I'm going to work out and be very sad. I'm going to have to choose the prayer.
03:08:09.78 Unknown Thank you.
03:08:10.17 Adam Politzer The money because of the economy is not at the same level. In fact, we've given out $10,000.

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That's about MCC UNC's fall night in the Hill Run. I know that Herb and I are both continuing.

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03:08:57.52 Vice Mayor Leone And that's at Savino's.
03:08:59.49 Councilmember Fyfer Oh, it's Serena.
03:09:00.67 Adam Politzer What time is that again? 7. Yeah. Social and 7 o'clock is the
03:09:02.66 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.

Thank you.
03:09:07.69 Councilmember Fyfer It's Servino's.
03:09:11.51 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:09:11.67 Adam Politzer Jason.

Thank you.
03:09:12.42 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you. Yes, thanks. I have, Mr. Mayor, I have one question. What is the protocol for our December meeting?
03:09:13.58 Adam Politzer Yeah.
03:09:13.80 Mayor Kelly Bye.
03:09:13.82 Adam Politzer Bye.
03:09:13.97 Councilmember Weiner I have.
03:09:14.27 Unknown Thank you.
03:09:14.31 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
03:09:22.22 Adam Politzer Our past practice has us with business items at the beginning of the meeting.

and then we do the changing of the guard then we do the election of the mayor and vice mayor. And if there is Traditionally, we then end the meeting and celebrate the people that are leaving and the people that are joining in this case.

Um...

And that ends the night.

And I've traditionally given a recognition
03:09:54.72 Adam Politzer of various levels, some not gone so well.

when we did Paul Albert and asked JR to be the emcee. Oh my gosh. And others have been. Oh yeah, that was my welcome. Yes, and others have been a little bit more tame. Never forget that bottle of building.
03:10:01.03 Adam Politzer Oh my gosh. And others have been. Oh yeah, that was my welcome.
03:10:09.49 Mayor Kelly Never forget that bottle of bilbonir vodka.
03:10:11.24 Michael Rack Thank you.
03:10:11.33 Adam Cravazzi I'm sorry.
03:10:12.78 Adam Politzer There will be a presentation of the outgoing council members. The public is welcome to come and express their gratitude of the folks that are leaving.
03:10:13.77 Mayor Kelly So, Thank you.
03:10:25.42 Adam Politzer and also folks are welcome to come to express their gratitude for the people that, chose to run and were elected.

We hope that it's a festive meeting. We try to keep the agenda clear of controversial issues, but we can't always predict what will be controversial and what will not be. So we do our best to keep it light and keep it brief.
03:10:52.01 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
03:10:52.60 Mayor Kelly Okay. 7B, future agenda items.
03:11:01.55 Unknown Thank you.
03:11:01.57 Councilmember Weiner No, but.
03:11:02.02 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:11:03.96 Councilmember Fyfer Mr. Mayor, the Bicycle and Pedestrian Committee, what I'd love to see that on a future agenda and to move forward with that.

I don't know what we need to do. Do we need more applications? What's the hold up on that one?
03:11:21.86 Mayor Kelly I don't think we have such a committee, do we?
03:11:23.89 Councilmember Fyfer Well, we discussed it. We all voted to establish one.
03:11:26.20 Mayor Kelly We all voted to establish one.
03:11:29.73 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
03:11:29.75 Adam Politzer We wanted to move forward with it. We do. We have – a year ago, longer than a year ago now, I'm not quite sure I remember the date, but I did give a copy.
03:11:29.98 Councilmember Fyfer wanted to move forward with it.
03:11:33.37 Mayor Kelly Yeah.
03:11:33.63 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
03:11:38.28 Adam Politzer To council member Pfeiffer she had come in and I had it and I handed it to her happy to hand it to any of you But we had council report that Todd gave and it spelled out the committee. It was five members and two non-voting members, so a total of seven, and it was off of the the heels of the pedestrian gate 6 road to the ferry landing committee that had members of the county, members of the bicycle coalition, members of the community, And then we had discussion, do we need more pedestrians on this new committee So we.

We passed and said yes, this committee is formed.

and it's got a purpose, and we've defined where people sit, but we never populated it.

and so it remains unpopulated.

Because so much time has gone by, if the council would like to prioritize that of all the committees that we have to review.

then they can give direction to staff to do that.

Back forward to the council.

make sure that the purpose and the makeup of the committee still remains because a lot of time has gone on, has gone by, and there was a lot of concerns that it was being more populated by bicyclists versus pedestrians, so we have now three pedestrian advocates to two bicycle advocates. We've had council meetings here where Council Member Ford has asked that the pathways and stairways also be considered in it. That is not in the purpose of that. So there's an opportunity if the council chooses to review the purpose or keep it as is and then direct staff to populate.
03:13:00.91 Unknown you
03:13:07.22 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:13:36.53 Craig Severance Thank you.
03:13:36.55 Mayor Kelly Perfect.
03:13:36.85 Craig Severance Thank you.
03:13:39.55 Mayor Kelly Correct.

Let me say that I think there's no place for this on the December 11th meeting. He smiles. So I would recommend that we Thank you.

put this over to the new council and And it would be my recommendation to the new council that they put it on the priority list because it's a big deal.

populated this, so that's my opinion. But it's not going to happen on the 11th.
03:14:05.54 Councilmember Fyfer It's not going to happen on the 11th.

Yeah, certainly not on the 11th, but I just wanted to find out what the holdup was because I think it's still relevant. We did discuss the stairs issue at the time we passed the committee make-up, and we had decided that one of the pedestrians would represent, you know, the stairs. So anyway, I think it's right to... Can I respond to the holdup? Yes, please.
03:14:22.55 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:14:24.52 Adam Politzer I think it's right to... Can I respond to the hold up part? And what Mike Kelly didn't say, Mayor Carroll didn't say there, was that when Mike was appointed as the mayor, one of the things he did at the beginning of his...

term was sit down with the city clerk and myself and go through all the boards and commissions to see where the vacancies were and ask which ones were higher priorities. And obviously the planning commission usually is going to come at the top, but some of the other ones have some value to each of you behind the dais there.

But he then brought forward a recommendation to the council saying these are the priorities that he'd like to fill these seats. And the bicycle task force, pedestrian task force, was either not on it or was at the bottom of the list. So the council is what I'm hearing a mayor recommending.

is in January, we don't have to wait until the priority calendar, but in January, when we're looking at the boards and commissions, and the council members can review that and give direction to staff prioritizing them.

Thank you.
03:15:35.75 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:15:37.08 Adam Politzer Debbie has this challenge and she's not allowed to retire.

until she fulfills it.

but she has to populate every committee before she's allowed to retire. And that's a job that can't be done. Okay, thank you.
03:15:45.17 Mayor Kelly is
03:15:45.62 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
03:15:47.68 Mayor Kelly Okay, thank you. It's very difficult to get. Some of them are done. Yeah, well, wait, wait. It's very difficult to get people to volunteer. Well, residents are keen.
03:15:50.55 Adam Politzer Yeah.
03:15:51.04 Councilmember Fyfer Wait, wait.

Well, residents are keen during the election. It was, I mean, loud and clear again, residents are very keen about this particular committee. We have applications for this committee and...
03:16:05.92 Mayor Kelly I don't think we have any room in there.
03:16:08.01 Councilmember Fyfer Yes, we have applications.
03:16:08.03 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:16:08.05 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yes, we have applications.

We have been here before and it's a 3-2 vote. So I think this is just a dandy thing for the new council to take up.

Thank you.

That's what you just said. And we'll see. Thank you.
03:16:22.17 Councilmember Weiner Yes sir.
03:16:22.97 Mayor Kelly Bye.
03:16:23.03 Councilmember Fyfer Bye.
03:16:23.17 Mayor Kelly We'll see.
03:16:24.53 Councilmember Pfeiffer We're all in agreement.
03:16:24.97 Councilmember Fyfer in agreement. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
03:16:25.97 Mayor Kelly Yes. Thank you.
03:16:28.55 Unknown Thank you.
03:16:29.58 Mayor Kelly All right.

Council member reports, committee reports.
03:16:33.88 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:16:33.97 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:16:34.02 Councilmember Leon I just want to bring back a couple of things. So the parking for 94965, hopefully that will make it in the new year on the agenda or at least in the priority calendar discussion.

Is there any update on the library construction when that will start? It started. It started? Okay, good. There's a big wall. I haven't been in there today. And when will it be done, do you think? 2015. Okay. One agenda item. Can you guys inquire and come back with some report on the post office in terms of what's going on with that and whether there's an opportunity there or not?
03:16:57.31 Adam Politzer 2015. Okay.
03:17:16.49 Councilmember Fyfer opportunity for what?
03:17:18.59 Councilmember Leon And then the magazine, what I would suggest to the provider of the magazine is that they give it back to an HTML format, not a PDF, because it's not searchable. So all the content that's in it is you can't, it's not going to be indexed by the Internet. And if people are paying to advertise and just access information inside that magazine, you should post it not as a PDF. You could have a PDF, but you should also make sure that they're web pages so that it gets as broad a distribution as possible. There's some good stuff in there with all the classes. It'll get really indexed very well by all the search engines if you make it in web page format, not in a PDF.
03:17:47.24 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:17:47.26 Charlie Melton Thank you.
03:17:47.68 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:17:55.31 Mayor Kelly Anything else?

All right, committee reports. I got one.

TAM, and I think most of you already know this, but TAM has allocated, well, will have, it's on the agenda for a vote tomorrow night, but I think it'll go through, allocate $125,000 for a study on the south end of town.
03:18:21.75 Vice Mayor Leone Thursday.
03:18:22.71 Councilmember Weiner Oh, is that right? Yes.
03:18:23.08 Mayor Kelly Thursday.

Yes. And I want to say, I want to thank several people for the lobbying effort. Herb actually showed up at the Executive Committee meeting where this was discussed and helped push it over the goal line. We had support from our Supervisor Kate Sears. We had support from Alice Fredericks and a variety of other people that jumped in and gave us a good yay. So we got $125,000 to figure out what we can do with the South End.
03:18:24.64 Councilmember Weiner Good.
03:18:52.80 Councilmember Fyfer That is fantastic news. Yes, thank you. Congratulations. Thank you very much. That's great.
03:18:54.72 Mayor Kelly Yes, thank you.

NEW SPEAKERS. ANY OTHER REPORTS? OKAY. AND THEN NOW WE'RE DOWN TO APPOINTMENTS TO THE TREES AND VIEWS COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD OF LIBRARY TRUSTEES. LET ME TAKE THE EASY ONE FIRST, WHICH IS THE BOARD OF LIBRARY TRUSTEES. WE INTERVIEWED DON MEANS TONIGHT, WHO I THINK WE UNANIMOUSLY THOUGHT WOULD BE A TERRIFIC CANDIDATE FOR THAT POSITION, AND SO I WOULD NOMINATE HIM. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS?

Any objections to Don becoming a new board member? All right. There's no other nominations. There's no other nominations, so he's in. I think he'll be great. He, by the way, is super library guy. I mean, he's a... Oh, yeah, no.
03:19:28.91 Councilmember Leon So he's in.
03:19:38.04 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:19:39.09 Mayor Kelly Amazing. So, all right. Then in terms of the Trees and Views Committee, here would be my recommendation that we reappoint Ms. Elliott, Mr. Wilhite, and Ms. Rosenstein.
03:19:39.22 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:19:48.37 Mayor Kelly and that we also appoint Peter Montague, who we interviewed tonight, who seems like a good and solid candidate for that position, and that we thank Mr. William Liddell
03:20:01.65 Councilmember Leon Oh, she's got slides. Let's see it, man. That's gorgeous. That's gorgeous.
03:20:04.52 Mayor Kelly That's gorgeous.
03:20:05.46 Councilmember Leon She's got a whole presentation, right?
03:20:06.44 Councilmember Weiner I just had a whole present actually.

Bye.
03:20:08.05 Mayor Kelly Oh, so we got a presentation? I just ate your presentation.
03:20:08.11 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:20:11.12 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

.

I better have some more.
03:20:12.45 Councilmember Leon You better have more slides than this.
03:20:14.34 Mayor Kelly I'll never do that. You never have slides for this. What'd you do? I did so, but this one was so cute. I thought I would bother
03:20:16.99 Councilmember Leon You never have.
03:20:18.59 Councilmember Weiner What?

I'm so excited.

Thank you.

Yeah.
03:20:21.36 City Clerk Bye, everybody.
03:20:22.03 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:20:22.35 City Clerk you
03:20:22.52 Mayor Kelly Okay, good.
03:20:22.71 Councilmember Weiner Okay, good.
03:20:25.04 City Clerk Okay.
03:20:27.91 Mayor Kelly Yes, I love it. It's beautiful. Okay.
03:20:29.07 City Clerk The Pressure.
03:20:31.10 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
03:20:31.15 Mayor Kelly that means
03:20:31.52 Vice Mayor Leone We're seeing the light.
03:20:32.51 City Clerk Yes, you are. Great. You've got your three that you've interviewed.

And then here you get into all your convolutions, which you were just starting into. You can appoint one for both incumbents, or you can appoint one of those interviews along with both incumbents, and point one for two of those interviews along with one incumbent, or appoint one to four of those interviews and not reappointing incumbents.
03:20:41.44 Councilmember Weiner Yeah.

Thank you.
03:20:58.43 Councilmember Weiner Yeah.
03:20:59.95 City Clerk And there's your terms, because I'm not going to get away this time without saying that.
03:21:03.67 Mayor Kelly Okay.
03:21:04.96 City Clerk And look.

Thank you.
03:21:07.72 Mayor Kelly Thank you, Debbie. This is great. Let me make my nominations and they can change if they want to. Again, I want to thank Mr. William Liddell for his service, but we will not be reappointing him tonight. We reappoint Ms. Elliott, Mr. Wilhite, and I'll come to the terms in a minute, Mrs. Rosenberg,
03:21:09.07 City Clerk Thank you, Deb.
03:21:09.98 Councilmember Weiner This is great.
03:21:11.24 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
03:21:26.12 Vice Mayor Leone building style.
03:21:26.21 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

I'm sorry, Rosenstein.
03:21:26.87 Councilmember Leon I'm sorry, Rosenstein.
03:21:33.15 Mayor Kelly Yeah, it doesn't really matter because we're just going to sign terms to them, right?

OKAY? AND PETER MONTAGUE. I WOULD GIVE PETER MONTAGUE THE 15 TERM AND Bessie Elliott already has a term, is there any?
03:21:48.74 Councilmember Leon She can only go through that.
03:21:51.98 Mayor Kelly 14, okay. So I'd leave her in the 2014 and the other 2000. So, so, Madaguy would get the 15 term and everybody else would have 14s.

Okay.

It's OK.
03:22:02.22 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Thank you.
03:22:03.82 Mayor Kelly Well, actually, Betsy Elliott's already there, so she's not being, so I'm actually nominating Will Hite, Rosenstein, and Montague.
03:22:03.92 Councilmember Pfeiffer Uh, Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.
03:22:17.88 Mayor Kelly And thank you, Mr. Will. We have to reappoint.
03:22:19.43 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:22:19.53 Unknown Oh, sure.
03:22:19.97 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:22:20.02 Unknown Thank you.
03:22:20.09 Councilmember Leon Yeah.
03:22:20.38 Mary Wagner Thank you.
03:22:20.41 Unknown Two minutes.
03:22:21.80 Mary Wagner Thank you.
03:22:22.08 Mayor Kelly No, it's not. It's only four.
03:22:22.71 Unknown Thank you.
03:22:23.94 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:22:24.34 Unknown Thank you.
03:22:24.36 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:22:25.12 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
03:22:25.17 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:22:25.36 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
03:22:25.39 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:22:25.46 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
03:22:25.48 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:22:25.56 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
03:22:25.58 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:22:26.25 Councilmember Pfeiffer What?
03:22:26.42 Mayor Kelly Well, Betsy Elliott's already there.
03:22:26.59 Councilmember Weiner THE END OF THE END OF THE
03:22:26.64 Councilmember Pfeiffer Bye.
03:22:26.72 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:22:28.17 Councilmember Leon No, no, she's one of the three. No. Okay. She's one of the three.
03:22:31.70 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Yeah, so just for you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
03:22:33.08 City Clerk Thank you.

No, no, no, no, look.
03:22:35.97 Councilmember Leon Just let me explain. Let me explain, please.
03:22:39.43 City Clerk I think we can clean this up, one, two, three, four. You do have January of 2016,
03:22:39.55 Councilmember Weiner Yeah.
03:22:43.30 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:22:48.88 City Clerk Wait a minute.

No, that won't work. Yeah, you're right. You've got one too many bodies.
03:22:54.31 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:22:54.38 City Clerk Thank you.
03:22:54.48 Mayor Kelly Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. How many people are there?
03:22:54.60 City Clerk Wait, wait, wait.

Hello.
03:22:57.32 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:22:57.94 City Clerk Yes.
03:22:58.65 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:22:58.79 Mayor Kelly We're letting Mr. Liddell off, okay?

Now we only have four persons, and the four people are... Except you add...
03:23:07.02 City Clerk Thank you.
03:23:07.04 Unknown Thank you.
03:23:07.10 Councilmember Leon More people.
03:23:08.34 Unknown Do you ask? No, no, no, you're missing ones. Let that be one.
03:23:10.19 Mayor Kelly Let them.
03:23:10.87 Councilmember Leon Yeah, you.
03:23:11.46 Mayor Kelly you
03:23:11.53 Councilmember Leon You have two. Come on, Debbie.
03:23:11.56 Mayor Kelly you know,
03:23:13.43 Unknown I forgot to bring it.
03:23:13.50 City Clerk I forgot to bring it.
03:23:15.97 Councilmember Pfeiffer Edford is on there.
03:23:17.15 City Clerk There you go. You've got, you do have two that expire in January of 2013.

So you could go ahead and make your January appointment. So I don't have.
03:23:24.54 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
03:23:24.55 Vice Mayor Leone Yes.
03:23:24.89 Councilmember Pfeiffer .
03:23:24.96 Vice Mayor Leone ahead and make your January appointment. So I don't have the right information. Yes, you do this, but there's two other names and they expire January 13th. Those are middle.
03:23:29.35 City Clerk Yes.
03:23:32.00 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:23:32.23 Councilmember Weiner Yeah.
03:23:32.42 Adam Politzer Thank you.

Those are good.

Thank you.
03:23:34.04 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
03:23:34.22 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:23:34.29 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
03:23:34.97 Councilmember Weiner Ron and...
03:23:35.86 City Clerk Ron Reich terms out. Okay, so I'm appointing... So you're going to move into the January 13th.
03:23:41.82 Mayor Kelly Yeah, move everybody January 13th, okay?

So,
03:23:45.48 City Clerk So, you Thank you.

So you're one of your four tonight.
03:23:49.88 Mayor Kelly TONIGHT.

Fast forward to January 13th. Yes.
03:23:52.57 City Clerk Yes, and so one of the 2014s, you actually want to shift to a 2016.

So you can Rosenstein or Willett maybe a 2016.
03:24:06.07 Mayor Kelly What happened to 2015?

That's the Montaigne.
03:24:08.28 City Clerk That's the Montaigne.
03:24:10.99 Mayor Kelly Mother.
03:24:11.77 City Clerk No, it's Montaigne.
03:24:13.58 Mayor Kelly So you're making the change.
03:24:14.18 City Clerk It went through a typo on my staff record.
03:24:16.46 Mayor Kelly Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, he went out as Mr. Monty. No, it's.
03:24:19.08 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.

Thank you.
03:24:19.70 City Clerk No, it's so he can be.
03:24:20.46 Councilmember Weiner So he can be 2015.
03:24:22.11 Mayor Kelly It can be 2016.
03:24:23.53 City Clerk Thank you.
03:24:25.34 Councilmember Weiner .

Thank you.
03:24:26.82 Mayor Kelly I mean, I'm only as good as the information light. Look at our potential Secretary of State. I mean, I thought it was just a little riot.
03:24:27.38 Unknown Yeah.
03:24:27.43 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:24:32.22 Councilmember Weiner I'm a
03:24:34.92 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:24:35.23 Councilmember Weiner Oh.
03:24:35.26 Mayor Kelly Oh, hold on. Okay.

There are, as of January 13, there are four seats, five seats available.

Correct. Correct. I am proposing that four of them be filled.
03:24:53.01 City Clerk Fill the fifth.
03:24:53.72 Mayor Kelly Okay, and the four would be Elliot, Will Hite, Rosenstein, and what is it, not Montague? Montaigne. Montaigne, Montaigne, okay.
03:25:01.50 City Clerk Thank you.
03:25:01.52 Councilmember Pfeiffer Montaigne.

Well, who's left on the... Mary Lee Bickford.
03:25:05.57 City Clerk Mary Lee Vickery.

No, she is not turned down. She could go through 2016. So that's fine.
03:25:09.04 Councilmember Pfeiffer No, she is not turned on.
03:25:12.52 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:25:12.55 Councilmember Leon So that's fine. She told me that she actually enjoys. Good, put her on the 2016 track there.
03:25:13.48 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:25:13.50 City Clerk Thank you.
03:25:13.55 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:25:13.67 City Clerk Thank you.
03:25:13.68 Adam Politzer Bye.
03:25:13.84 City Clerk that she...

Good.
03:25:16.89 Mayor Kelly I'm just going to go.
03:25:17.18 City Clerk Thank you.
03:25:17.26 Mayor Kelly 16th track.
03:25:17.97 City Clerk Thank you.
03:25:18.02 Mayor Kelly you
03:25:18.11 City Clerk All right, you've got, but now I still need you to take one of your 2014s and move it to a 2016. Betsy Elliott is 2014.
03:25:24.96 Mayor Kelly I thought you want two 16s?
03:25:27.17 City Clerk I want two 16s.
03:25:28.47 Councilmember Leon That's very ridiculous would be 2016.
03:25:28.75 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:25:28.81 City Clerk Thank you.
03:25:28.82 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, and then, I don't know. I think we should take the three
03:25:33.80 Unknown I think we should take the three
03:25:36.04 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:25:36.11 Unknown Thank you.
03:25:36.21 Mayor Kelly Who would best vote at 16 in that group?
03:25:36.28 Unknown Who's...
03:25:38.27 Peter Van Meter and that.
03:25:40.38 Mayor Kelly real high-bursting.
03:25:40.42 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:25:40.45 Councilmember Pfeiffer Will Hight Burstyn.
03:25:42.44 Councilmember Weiner Okay.
03:25:42.79 Mayor Kelly Okay, put Tom Wheelhide out to six feet.
03:25:46.02 Councilmember Pfeiffer He has a background.
03:25:47.86 Mayor Kelly Okay, so let's review the bidding. As of January 13, we will have one vacant seat.
03:25:50.54 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
03:25:55.89 Mayor Kelly we will have Mr. Wilhite,
03:25:59.33 Vice Mayor Leone 16
03:26:00.14 Mayor Kelly you
03:26:00.19 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
03:26:00.87 Mayor Kelly to 16.
03:26:01.19 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
03:26:01.29 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:26:01.32 Vice Mayor Leone use.
03:26:01.58 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:26:01.66 Vice Mayor Leone doing.
03:26:01.95 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:26:03.23 Mayor Kelly Ms. Rosenstein.

to 14, right, or 15? 14. 14.
03:26:08.26 City Clerk Thank you.
03:26:09.76 Mayor Kelly Thank you.

of Mr. Montaigne to 15.
03:26:12.75 City Clerk Thank you.
03:26:17.18 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
03:26:18.30 Mayor Kelly And Mary Lee Bickford, 260, right? Yeah. And we have one vacancy to fill.
03:26:21.74 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:26:21.76 Councilmember Pfeiffer Yeah.
03:26:22.00 Councilmember Leon Thank you.

No, that's everybody's all the time. You just filled everyone. We just filled it.
03:26:24.76 Councilmember Pfeiffer You just filled everyone.
03:26:26.30 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.
03:26:26.43 Councilmember Pfeiffer Please get it.
03:26:28.64 Vice Mayor Leone You filled them all up. It's all right. She got it. They're good.
03:26:28.66 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:26:28.73 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:26:29.12 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:26:30.26 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:26:30.65 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:26:30.67 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.
03:26:30.85 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:26:31.58 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

Thank you.
03:26:32.15 Vice Mayor Leone Roll that out there.
03:26:33.05 Mayor Kelly Oh, that's because we're helly.
03:26:33.07 Vice Mayor Leone Thank you.

you
03:26:33.99 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:26:34.03 Vice Mayor Leone Yeah.
03:26:34.45 Councilmember Leon back for the
03:26:35.85 Mayor Kelly Great, we have a full, what a deal.
03:26:38.06 Councilmember Leon TODAY.

Thank you.
03:26:38.18 Councilmember Weiner Yeah, man.
03:26:39.98 Mayor Kelly you
03:26:40.07 Councilmember Leon Thank you.
03:26:40.17 Mayor Kelly Thank you.
03:26:40.20 Councilmember Leon The President. Do you understand what he said?

I'm sorry.
03:26:42.58 Councilmember Weiner Those are my nominations.
03:26:42.60 Mayor Kelly Huh?

Those are my nominations. Do we have any additional nominations?
03:26:44.98 Councilmember Weiner to.

You can't.
03:26:47.63 Mayor Kelly Is everybody okay by acclimation, these folks?
03:26:49.75 Councilmember Pfeiffer Thank you.

So just so I know, we have Mary Lee Bifford, we have Tom Willite, we have Ellen Rosenstein, we have Peter Montaigne and Betsy.
03:26:52.84 Mayor Kelly Mm-hmm.
03:27:05.21 Mayor Kelly You got it.

Bingo. Okay. All right.

So that's all of the nominations for tonight. Do you have any comment on that? And any other reports of significance?
03:27:13.14 Councilmember Fyfer Thank you.
03:27:13.16 Councilmember Weiner Do you have any comment on that?

Thank you.
03:27:18.46 Mayor Kelly NONE. SEEING NONE. ANYBODY CARE TO ADJOURN? SHALL WE STAND ON THE HOLE?
03:27:22.86 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:27:22.90 Unknown Thank you.
03:27:22.96 Vice Mayor Leone Second, third and fourth.
03:27:24.95 Mayor Kelly Repeat item six.
03:27:30.39 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.
03:27:46.98 Councilmember Weiner Thank you.