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| 00:00:00.03 | Unknown | is aware. that at this juncture, Caldonia Street has been deteriorating in terms of the energy on the street and the businesses, we have empty storefronts. Basically, we think, we hope to be and we are going to be the future of Caledonia Street, which is, as we all know, the true heart of Sausalito, where all of us residents live. And we're looking forward to being you know, the center of the community and being involved on a very personal level with everybody here in the community in general. So we're here just to tell you who we are and hope for your support. I think you're going to be amazed at what we've put together there. It's nothing like what was there before. The closest model may be by right in San Francisco. It's going to be all local and organic food, and then we're gonna have a deli. our, an example tentative of our menus for lunch and breakfast. I'll leave it here. |
| 00:01:04.24 | Thomas Theodores | You can use this time to give yourself a little bit of a pitch in terms of, you know, tell us what the market's going to be about. You can be a little more descriptive. |
| 00:01:12.32 | Unknown | Yeah. I was thinking when I was coming up here, We need to have the mayor cut the ribbon for our grand opening. Would you be willing to do that for us? |
| 00:01:23.97 | Ray Withy | Yeah. Especially after the last ribbon cutting. |
| 00:01:24.34 | Unknown | Especially, especially. |
| 00:01:34.30 | Unknown | This perhaps will be a little more appetizing. So what's going to happen is we're hopeful in 10 days on May 1st we're going to have our soft opening, which means we're going to open the store. |
| 00:01:37.10 | Unknown | . I'm sorry. Yeah. So what? |
| 00:01:46.51 | Unknown | and work out the kinks because this is a gigantic project. And then once we feel comfortable, we'll give everyone notice and there'll be a grand opening. We're looking to close Turney Street for a weekend that doesn't conflict with any other events in Sausalito. We've already applied with Adam. And we're just going to close that street. We're going to have a lot of vendors giving away things. We're going to have some acoustic music. We're going to have a lot of the local business participate. It's going to be a great time. I think we're going to have literally thousands of people there. Just, you know. We're going to have some acoustic music. We're going to have a lot of the local business participate. It's going to be a great time. And I think we're going to have literally thousands of people there. Just, you know, I'm old. I know a lot of people. And we'll put out the email. And there'll be a lot of people. |
| 00:02:20.95 | Ray Withy | You're older, not old. |
| 00:02:23.00 | Unknown | Thank you for that correction. I wish I could... So just to give you a little more description of what's going to be there. it... We've been working for months. Almost at this point, I think actually I'm going to ask Adam. I think Adam could do a good job of basically giving you a mission statement on |
| 00:02:43.48 | Unknown | what we're doing. Hi, everyone. So yeah, I guess the business plan has kind of been in development since 2007. I actually was one of the managers at Real Foods, and I had a... I had a good time there and I learned a lot about natural foods, but at the same time, I had a hard time dealing with the corporate environment that it was there, and I always wanted it to be a little bit more local. and a little bit more focused on sustainability and trying to be a better influence in the food system. So a big part of what we're trying to do there is to bring people food that they can actually trust is grown and produced ethically. without the use of pesticides. we're going to try, and it's a very difficult thing to do, but to say that all the food on our shelves is going to be GMO free. And for those of you that don't know what that means, it's genetically modified organisms. And it's kind of a big buzzword right now. I mean, I think Whole Foods just came out and said, By the year 2018, they want everyone who sources food to them to at least have to label it if they have GMOs in it. So they're not even saying that they're going to take it off their shelves. They're saying five years from now, they'll let you know if there are GMOs in your food that you're buying there. And what we're doing is trying to do the extra research to say, Today, if you come into Drivers, you can be pretty sure that if you're buying food, that there's no GMOs in it. Most of it has probably been produced in small batches by families on farms and small batches in the farm. in factories. |
| 00:04:20.95 | Unknown | Yeah, that's about it. Thank you. |
| 00:04:24.71 | Unknown | Yeah, it's going to be something special. What we hope is that it's not going to only be tremendous for Sausalito, but it's going to be a destination location for Southern Marin. You know, we hope to really re-energize downtown Sausalito. And I have to say, in general, with the exception of the sign fiasco, the people in Sausalito have been tremendously supportive, and everybody in the government and in the playing offices have been terrific to us and we really appreciate it. I mean, it's a hard journey. The Driver family has sunk their life savings, every single penny, into this store. And I own Escape from New York Pizza and myself and my partners are the other half of the business and, you know, I'll be very frank. We thought this was going to take six months and a half million dollars. It's going to take 15 months and a million dollars. So we have a lot invested in here both personally and fiscally. And the truth is, I don't think we've come to Sausalio for anything. We've done this all by ourselves. Um, I was thinking when it's coming over here, is there anything I could ask you guys for? And the only thing I can think of Yeah. Why not, right? I mean, I do feel we put in a tremendous investment of time and money that's going to benefit the community immensely. And you know, you're looking at the people who are going to be in the store. You're looking at the people who are going to be responsible. And we, I've built a, I've built a, a business model based on integrity and compassion. And you're going to see that come through in this store. So the only thing I thought of when I was coming over here, what could I ask them for? Because I think we're doing a lot, to be honest. And we just, we would like to have two outdoor tables. And, It's going to cost us $2,000. to put those outdoor tables on. And as I said, we're sort of down to seeds and stems, to use the old phrase, when it comes to money. If you guys could like vote us a variance and give us the first year free, well, that would be a nice little opening gift. Bye. Why not? I don't know if you... Can't do that tonight. |
| 00:06:30.37 | Thomas Theodores | I can't do that tonight, so... |
| 00:06:33.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:33.66 | Thomas Theodores | Take that up with Adam and you can go from there. Okay, it's up to Adam? No. No. You've got to start in the normal process. All right. |
| 00:06:37.77 | Unknown | No, but you know, starting |
| 00:06:40.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:40.36 | Craig Severance | I'm going to start. |
| 00:06:40.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:40.75 | Craig Severance | I'm sorry. |
| 00:06:40.81 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. Well, I was hoping to say, you know, just a small little bit of help would be appreciated. We're down the final stretch and it really is, it really has drained us, just so you guys know. And of course, you know, we hope that you'll all come and visit the store and support us and we'll be able to get over the hump, so to speak. Anyway, so we're going to start May 1st. I really do want to, I want to back off and say, to thank everybody at Sausalito for all their help and cooperation, which has been, I mean, the city has been very magnanimous and we appreciate that the city has understood the importance of this project. And we really intend, I don't know how to say it any better, in every sense of word we intend to be the heart of Sausalito. Okay? So that's my speech. |
| 00:07:33.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. By the way, I had a chance to look in the store today, and it really looks beautiful. |
| 00:07:33.95 | Unknown | But |
| 00:07:40.75 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 00:07:41.11 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. there'll be a lot of personal touches, artistic touches that are coming. You know, Ab and I met at the basketball court, and we still play ball all the time right down the street here, as probably most of you know. And we're gonna have the player of the month in the deli segment. So it's gonna be, it's gonna truly be a local event. So, and I should say, if anyone had |
| 00:07:48.95 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:08:01.09 | Unknown | So it's going to be |
| 00:08:03.11 | Unknown | you |
| 00:08:03.35 | Unknown | Thank you. And I should say it. Thank you. |
| 00:08:07.42 | Unknown | questions. |
| 00:08:08.21 | Unknown | request, we're happy. SPEAKER 1, if anyone has a product request too, we want to be very complicated. |
| 00:08:15.97 | Unknown | Amen. Thank you. |
| 00:08:16.85 | Unknown | you |
| 00:08:16.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:16.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:17.00 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:08:17.81 | Unknown | you Thank you. that you're used to getting somewhere specifically and you can crack it down? As long as it fits. |
| 00:08:24.12 | Ray Withy | It's all right. It doesn't matter. |
| 00:08:24.14 | Unknown | It's all right. It doesn't matter. |
| 00:08:25.44 | Ray Withy | He can sound better with any mic. |
| 00:08:25.99 | Unknown | I was about to bring it in. |
| 00:08:27.41 | Unknown | I'm ready. |
| 00:08:27.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:27.78 | Unknown | He said, |
| 00:08:28.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:28.32 | Unknown | better with anything. Thank you. |
| 00:08:29.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:29.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:29.30 | Unknown | here in Las Vegas. |
| 00:08:30.26 | Unknown | Yeah, the two originals of the store, Adam used to manage real food. And we were friends, and I'd come in and tell them everything that was wrong. I've been in retail my whole life, and I told them everything that was wrong. Your bread section sucks. Your produce section sucks. You don't treat customers well. The POS system is too slow. He goes, I know, I know. I keep telling the corporation, UConn, they won't spend any money. Well, now you have the exact opposite. Where, as a consequence of that, when they left in the middle of the night, Adam came to me, well, we can do much better. And I know that they were still successful despite their flaws, and we can do it 100 times better. And that's how this started, with him approaching me, and me also recognizing the greatness |
| 00:08:38.63 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:08:39.05 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 00:08:43.66 | Craig Severance | You know? |
| 00:09:18.70 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:09:19.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:21.73 | Ray Withy | So the only hoops that you have to worry about is at the basketball court. |
| 00:09:25.97 | Unknown | And soft is, though. |
| 00:09:30.22 | Ray Withy | I'll be there. Thank you. I'll be there. |
| 00:09:38.32 | Unknown | . Thank you. |
| 00:09:42.07 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:09:45.24 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:09:48.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:48.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:48.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:48.24 | Ray Withy | Okay. At this time here, we have public communications. |
| 00:09:52.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:52.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:52.28 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. |
| 00:09:53.83 | Ray Withy | Oh, I'm sorry. Apologize. Vicki? This is on community Marin. |
| 00:10:01.03 | Vicki Nichols | VICKI NICHOLS, WEEKIE hat. And I'm here to present to you Community Marin 2013. This is a document that I don't think I've ever heard of. that Sausalito has been either reviewed on or included in. and I only really heard about it several years ago when I joined the board. This particular version has been five years in the making. So there's several organizations that have Wait, I'm supposed to do this. I'm sorry. Let's see here. |
| 00:10:38.92 | Craig Severance | and I'm still |
| 00:10:43.96 | Vicki Nichols | that have participated in the authorship of this, that's Marin Autobahn Society, Marin Baylands Advocates, Marin Conservation League, the Wren group of the Sierra Club. Salmon Protection and Watershed Network, you've probably heard of SPAWN, and the San Geronimo Valley Planning Group. And I just want to stress that every bit of this document was reviewed by all these people, and that's why it took five years. I mean, I couldn't believe the times I saw it reviewed in the two years, One section alone was revised 16 times. This was about consensus. So it's divided into several parts. I think you all got hard copies of it, and it also is available on all the organizations that I listed. It's available on their website. websites. But the really prevailing intent of this is for use as a planning tool, and we're really stressing that preservation and protection of our natural environment must be the priorities in all planning. The... That's the fundamental principle. Let's see. Sorry. This year's version includes two new major recommendations. And prior to this, there's been no mention of planning for climate change, and I think we're all aware that we need to start planning for that. I hope we're all aware of that. And another measure is limiting house size. And this is not directly impacting Sausalito necessarily, but remembering that this is a countywide plan. This probably has more application in some other cities. But the logic behind this was that larger buildings take more energy and and primarily often disrupt character of neighborhoods when they're in fill. So I don't think we're going to be impacted by this so much, but other communities surely will. We've been reviewing throughout the county some, you know, 8, 10, 12,000 square foot houses. So these are recommendations. We also know that we're going to be impacted by sea level rise, and this is a BC-DC map similar to the ones that we presented to you when we did the WAM report. And the thing that I think is still alarming is that when you look at the coast of the bay, you have more inland areas that may be infected by this rising water. So it's not just those right on the shore. So this is something that we definitely need to start working on. And the document wants to really emphasize that we need to start looking at this on a countywide basis. We really need to be planning, starting to plan for this collectively. I can tell you that Supervisor Sears has just put together a committee for Southern Marin. Some of us are going to be looking at assets and identifying areas and trying to come up with a model that we can use to roll out this and start this conversation amongst the cities in southern Miranda. Here's some of the areas that we know will be impacted. Of course, in Sausalito, our shoreline in Tiburon has some of the same issues. Our waterfront. You may have heard about the effects of the king tides we had in January where Manzanita was really just Cars were flooded. They were damaged. Alarms were going off. People left for work and came back and didn't have a car because they were so flooded out. And this floods a lot right here. So this is another area, just our northern neighbor, actually in the county, but just to the north of us. And then, of course, who hasn't been on Lucky Drive during the rain? issue. This one's important because we have a big plan, that's project, not we, the TAM agency, transportation agency, has a big plan now for this change of this inner interchange at Highway 101 at Greenbrae. And one of the issues that is objectionable to many people is that there's been no thought about sea level planning for this new ramp at all. So that's being challenged. Biological resources. We do not in Sausalito fall under what's known as the Baylands Corridor, but that's part of the county plan. that as a result of the Community Marin 2003 document was incorporated into their general plan in 2007. And it literally creates a zoning area near the bay that's a protected area to take into account biological resources, natural resources. If it was more wild, you'd you'd have riparian areas, but mainly the wetlands. So we're recommending in this document... If it was more wild, you'd have riparian areas, but mainly the wetlands. So we're recommending in this document that those cities that are cities unto themselves not impacted by the county plan may consider this Baylands corridor language to offer another layer of protection to our water areas. This again, our biological, main biological resource here in Sausalito, of course, is our eelgrass. So we do have the pickleweed and we have local marshes. There is a conscious look at making sure that the biological resources are taken into consideration on any projects. Parks in open space, we don't have too much, but what I'd like to emphasize on this slide is we're asking for no net increase in trails. So when new trails are being made, and I know that we don't have a lot of this in Sausalito, but I can tell you that throughout the county there are a lot of proposals for this. We're asking that when one new trail is made that the existing trail be either closed down or not emphasized so that we don't have as much disruption through natural areas and we can pretty much keep vegetation. And, you know, we have a responsibility to share our trails with equestrians, with bike riders, with pedestrians. So we want to make sure that when we're planning all these things we're not increasing trails for each of these necessarily, but not having as huge of an impact on the environment. Agriculture, I put this in, but I think all we allow in Saucelita are beehives and chickens. So it doesn't really apply to us, but certainly out in West Marin this is a big issue. and they're asking through the document that the lot size be included. This is for new developed housing. that's out there and this would be in line with some other counties that have a wider a wider area of land for per, in other words, allowing, right now the county says one dwelling for every 60 acres. In many communities, it's one per 120 acres, so that's a recommendation. And actually up until 1940, Nevada was the end of Sausalito, so on the other side of Nevada Street, you would have seen more agriculture because there were cows there. Housing. We want to provide housing for workforce, and we mainly also want to strongly suggest that affordable housing units that are already existing are not compromised in any way. And I understand from the people that worked on this document in the 2003 issue that there had been a big divide between the environmental community and the housing community. and I'm understanding now that there's been a... a brief, of the two groups, and there's an understanding that these two things can happen together. You can have a great affordable housing project that's environmentally safe and doesn't bother other issues. It doesn't bring it to other issues. Of course we want to maintain economic vitality, so we're suggesting that any new development, this would be along the lines of sprawl. Again, Sausalito has its historic downtown, so we don't have the issues that some communities do that are building on the outskirts. And we want to encourage no big box retail. I don't think we have space for that anywhere, but as you know, in some other cities that's caused a big deal. Um, This is more along the lines for other communities, but the recommendation is to bring the The commercial growth in line with the county's actual environmental and biological and other natural resources. In other words, to keep it proportionate. There's an interesting... fact that I didn't know about, but that in many people's belief, we're now debating this Plan Bay area that we've been asked to... put our input in and this is aligning our housing requirements with situation of affordable housing. It's very controversial. Some people are very much not happy about it. But ironically, when one looks at their own city plans and county plans, in some of those plans it allows for more development than it's being called for in that plan. So we need to take a look at what our general plans say, what's allowable, and see if we want to align that a little bit different. But they are allowing for more growth than the Planned Bay Area is, ironically. |
| 00:21:07.92 | Craig Severance | is. |
| 00:21:10.68 | Vicki Nichols | public facilities I think we do a good job of this. hear Jonathan's reports a lot. I know he's very con... Jonathan Goldman. I know he's very conscious of our responsibility with our water and our sewer. Sewer works, and the council has been good about looking at renewable energy. I think we were the first city hall to have our solar panels and the retrofitting of things, and maybe we'll look at marine clean energy again. I don't know. Transportation, we think it's vital that SMART be integrated with local systems. You can have a great train system, but if you don't have any way to get people out to the corridor, it's not a likelihood that it's going to be used as much. No hot lanes, which are high occupancy toll lanes. We don't want any toll lanes in Marin. We don't really have that here, but they're being used in other communities. And no ferries north of Pointe-Saint Pedro. That's really more of a northern county issue. ABAG currently in all their projections and most of their information is also not addressing sea level rise. So I don't remember who our ABAG representative is, but we would love it if you would be able to make sure in discussions that that topic is considered and environmental constraints. And what we're going to be using this document for is really a document to bounce projects off of, so that you'll know that the environmental groups, when they're reviewing within their groups internally, they're going to be using these documents and these goals. I can tell you that In some ways, they're controversial. We gave this presentation to the county on Tuesday, and one of the supervisors told us that when we rolled it out in the cities, maybe we would need a hazmat suit. I don't think we have those issues as much in Sausalito, but for some communities, this is going to be much more drastic than they'd want to know. But everybody on the community Marin writing team and those of us that are going out to the cities to present the plan. Do want to say that we want to work with the cities. We're happy to send people back if there's questions at your convenience. There's been some tough issues that have been dealt with in Sausalito and in Marin County, but we've been able to work them out. So all of these things that have been proposed are currently in everyone's existing ordinances or laws, so we're not proposing any new any new legislation, all these things can be accomplished. finding the best solution to do that. So if you have any questions, I know that's a lot. I've given you all the books, and so if you want to contact any of the agencies or whatever, we'll be happy to talk with you. |
| 00:24:14.66 | Ray Withy | Any questions? |
| 00:24:16.43 | Thomas Theodores | Ah, yes, Mr. Mayor, I do. |
| 00:24:18.17 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 00:24:19.03 | Thomas Theodores | Hi, thank you for the presentation, Vicki. So I was surprised that the recommendation did not come out more stronger regarding being against desalinization. And I know they say desalinization as a source of water should be considered only after all water conservation and recycling have been determined and capable. But I was just wondering if you could provide a little more insight on that. |
| 00:24:19.41 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you for the presentation. |
| 00:24:44.74 | Vicki Nichols | I can tell you that Marine Conservation League's position, because they have taken this up since I've been on the board, the idea behind not going against desal was not limiting the options because the desal process of getting the reviews done and up and running in the event of a drought situation. It was felt that to totally eliminate it, if it was needed, would be too environmentally costly. So they wanted to leave it on the table. This was the particular board's feeling, the majority of the board. And so what we're really stressing along, remember there's all these agencies, and so sometimes there may be others that want DeSal, others that don't ever want it at all. and each of these areas were talked over and then ultimately agreed to. I think the consensus was that the best way to make sure we have a good water supply is to really exercise the best conservation methods we can. And right now, as you know, the Marin Municipal Water District has taken that plan off the table. It's not on the table any longer because they got such blowback. Um, which isn't to say they may not raise it again. |
| 00:25:57.20 | Thomas Theodores | I know it's not on the table, but I thought that they were spending thousands on consulting to assess what would need to happen. I don't think we need to debate this particular issue. Okay, so a follow-up question was you mentioned that the group was going to be looking at the one Bay Area, Plan Bay Area. |
| 00:26:03.55 | Thomas Theodores | I don't think we need to debate this particular issue. |
| 00:26:16.98 | Vicki Nichols | I think not just us. By that, if I wasn't clear, I should have said that I think the public and different agencies are being asked. We're in a response period right now, so people are commenting on that. Um, Marine Conservation League is actually going to be hosting a workshop on that. |
| 00:26:34.97 | Thomas Theodores | on the Twitter. you |
| 00:26:35.70 | Vicki Nichols | with no opinions just to try to put information out. It's on our website if you click on the |
| 00:26:35.71 | Thomas Theodores | with the |
| 00:26:42.46 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, so, and the reason, of course, I asked about desalinization was because it basically lifts the lid on development because if there's a limitless supply of water, then you can build, build, build. So the next question regarding SB 375, it doesn't mention SB 375 in this, but it does refer to... Please, just a question. |
| 00:26:55.83 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:27:02.31 | Ray Withy | Please, just a question. |
| 00:27:04.05 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. building affordable housing along transportation corridors. So I was wondering, was SB 375 discussed as part of that recommendation or not? |
| 00:27:10.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:10.68 | Vicki Nichols | corridors. |
| 00:27:18.95 | Vicki Nichols | Believe me, all these organizations are aware of AB 32 and SB 375, and I think that the thinking is the recommendations are looking and being aware of those two requirements, AB 32, improving air quality, and SB 375, reducing traffic, et cetera, and putting housing in areas that you're lowering carbon by having housing near transportation. So they've been aware of those. These are policies. They're not, you know, |
| 00:27:57.83 | Thomas Theodores | Can I interrupt for a second? Mr. Mayor, we're sort of behind schedule, and this is just a presentation versus a question. Yeah, all you respect, Mr. Mayor. |
| 00:28:01.42 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:28:01.44 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. Yeah, with all due respect, Mr. Vice Mayor, I do have a couple more questions. |
| 00:28:05.39 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:28:07.62 | Ray Withy | Yeah, but it's not questions here. This is just a presentation. In other words, it's not open to the public. |
| 00:28:11.60 | Thomas Theodores | It's a... |
| 00:28:12.85 | Thomas Theodores | In other words, it's not open to the public. And I am within, I'm just asking questions for clarity on this recommendation. Thank you. |
| 00:28:20.83 | Ray Withy | It's a presentation. |
| 00:28:20.88 | Thomas Theodores | It's a good thing. It's a presentation on policy recommendation. |
| 00:28:24.29 | Ray Withy | We'll be right back. Oh, go ahead. |
| 00:28:25.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:26.41 | Thomas Theodores | So regarding SB 375, one of the comments they make is that the regional sustainability community strategy, which is, you know, part of SB 375. recognize that there is an ultimate limit to growth because of environmental constraints, including sea level rise. So that's why I asked the question. So was that discussed in the context of that? I think that... |
| 00:28:44.02 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:28:46.21 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:28:46.24 | Unknown | And so. |
| 00:28:48.18 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:28:48.23 | Unknown | I'm gonna text. |
| 00:28:48.71 | Vicki Nichols | Thanks. |
| 00:28:48.77 | Unknown | of. |
| 00:28:49.03 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:28:49.16 | Unknown | I think. |
| 00:28:49.46 | Vicki Nichols | See you next time. |
| 00:28:51.12 | Unknown | Thank you. You don't necessarily have to answer. |
| 00:28:52.76 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. And you know what, Lyndon, what might be good is we're happy to answer this, and frankly, some of the people that were the major authors are professional planners that have that have worked in the county for years And if you have some questions and want to email them, we could get you answers. |
| 00:29:09.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:29:09.98 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:29:10.04 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:29:10.14 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:29:10.27 | Vicki Nichols | Because I haven't participated the whole five years, so I don't know all the answers. |
| 00:29:13.71 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you Vicki, it looks like I'm not going to be able to ask any more questions. |
| 00:29:13.97 | Vicki Nichols | you Okay. |
| 00:29:16.60 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 00:29:16.84 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:29:16.99 | Unknown | You email us. Thank you. |
| 00:29:18.52 | Ray Withy | Vicki, thank you for your public service on this also. Thank you very much. Okay, public communications. This is the time for City Council to hear from the citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda, except in very limited situations, state law precludes the council from taking action or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. Is there anybody that would like to speak to an item that is not on the agenda? Come up and state your name, please. |
| 00:29:50.59 | Craig Severance | Thank you. Good evening. My name is Craig Severance. I'd like to discuss two issues related to tonight's meeting. Well, it's supposed to be items that are not on the agenda. They're not covered in the agenda as I... Go ahead. The first, parking. I'd suggest that you invest a formal objective analysis of Sausalito's parking program because according to Sausalito city staff, Sausalito does not possess an objective, transparent parking study. Parking rules communicated by parking signs and meters are contrived subjectively based on some opaque, |
| 00:30:20.81 | Unknown | to. |
| 00:30:31.69 | Craig Severance | non-transparent political process. A formal study would allow Sausalito to leverage the best practices of other communities. As is the current parking plan is in reality taxation of car owners. without representation. without an objective parking plan, for example, Cars on Caledonia Street are ticketed. even though there are frequently more than 100 empty parking spaces on the same block and or within two blocks of the ticketed car, What's this all about? Mill Valley has a population twice out of Sausalito. In 2012, Sausalito wrote 16,000 parking cetaceans. That's 44 per day, while Mill Valley wrote a little over 10,000. On a per-resident basis, Sausalito writes three times as many parking cetaceans as Mill Valley. Mill Valley's invested in a parking study. Sausalito has not. For example, for $40 a year, Mill Valley residents can park at any meter in the city for free. |
| 00:31:35.23 | Craig Severance | $60. Any parking meter in the city for free. I think for $70, Sausalito can park in Mill Valley at any meter for free. Secondly, agenda item number six. which I'm not here to talk about, pertains to the annual review of the City Council's priority calendar. I would hope that you expedite the rollout of the open town hall software that was discussed during the last City Council meeting on April 2nd. By doing so, I hope you can use it to solicit input from the many residents who aren't here tonight, nor those residents who don't subscribe to SOS Lido Currents, and not unilaterally conclude that without their input you possess the magical ability to intuit their priorities. I would then suggest that you reconsider City Council priorities after soliciting input from Sausalito residents using the Open Town Hall software and not wait an entire year before you reacquaint yourself with the whole prioritization discussion. And for your reading pleasure, I'll leave a copy of this up front. Thank you very much. |
| 00:32:44.30 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:32:44.33 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 00:32:44.38 | Ray Withy | you |
| 00:32:44.43 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 00:32:46.93 | Ray Withy | Anybody else that would like to make a comment on anything that's not on the agenda? Okay, moving along then. Minutes of the regular city council meeting. |
| 00:32:58.37 | Unknown | We... |
| 00:33:01.66 | Ray Withy | they want. So what do you want? We put it at the continue to the end of the? Or just continue? I have. |
| 00:33:01.68 | Unknown | they want. |
| 00:33:07.64 | Thomas Theodores | I have one comment on it. It might expedite it next time. |
| 00:33:12.66 | Ray Withy | No, we don't have a document, so it doesn't matter. Debbie distributed it to us. |
| 00:33:13.88 | Thomas Theodores | Well, Debbie distributed it to us. |
| 00:33:16.43 | Ray Withy | All right, let's move on next to the consent calendar. |
| 00:33:20.19 | Thomas Theodores | I think you need to make a motion to continue this particular item to the next meeting. So I'll move on my second. |
| 00:33:22.62 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 00:33:27.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:27.08 | Ray Withy | All in favor. |
| 00:33:27.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:27.90 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:33:27.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:28.04 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 00:33:28.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:28.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:33:28.76 | Unknown | . |
| 00:33:28.80 | Ray Withy | Opposed? Next, moving on to the consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial, require no discussion, are expected to have a unanimous Council support, and may be enacted by the Council when one motion in the form listed below. Okay. |
| 00:33:50.19 | Thomas Theodores | I have one question, Mr. Mayor. I don't want to pull this item, but I do have a clarification on item 4C regarding data ticket. for the city manager regarding process, which is, is there going to be, I know with the automated parking we talked about, there was supposed to be at least a 90 day period in which we tested it first, got feedback from the community, |
| 00:34:02.35 | Craig Severance | for this. |
| 00:34:17.53 | Thomas Theodores | before making a go, no go decision. With data ticket, will we be collecting feedback from the residents, communities regarding satisfaction before getting locked into a long-term contract with them? |
| 00:34:33.78 | Adam Politzer | I'm going to defer to our lieutenant. on that item. It's a little bit different because they're administering a program that we are changing from. and it's the administration of the citation process. |
| 00:34:49.51 | Unknown | Good evening. Generally, contracts have a 30-day cancellation window. Data ticket was, we called four references, City of San Rafael, Marin Parking, JPA, and everyone is in love with this system. And so we really took to heart that we wanted something with a lot of customer service, and we found it with DataTicket. But again, if we're not satisfied, we do have a window, we just have to give them notice. It's a very hard process to transfer the data from Englewood to another company and then bounce back. But obviously, if we have bad feedback, I'll be up here again with the new company. But I'm confident we won't have that issue. |
| 00:35:40.91 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you, Officer Scoob. |
| 00:35:42.36 | Ray Withy | Okay, I have a motion on the consent calendar. I move that we approve the consent calendar. Would you? Second. Okay, all in favor. I. |
| 00:35:54.24 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:35:54.26 | Unknown | I. |
| 00:35:54.77 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:35:56.00 | Ray Withy | Okay. Let's move on now to business items. proposal by the Sassalino Historical Society. to install a temporary display along the waterfront. Mike Langford. |
| 00:36:09.13 | Unknown | Boxing and |
| 00:36:15.18 | Jonathon Goldman | Good evening, Mr. Mayor and City Councilman. In December 2012, the Sausalito Historical Society contacted the city in regards to setting up a temporary guided walking tour along the waterfront, which would consist of a series of display boards. The display would highlight Sausalito's sailing history. Now since this display was a temporary display, again, not permanent, much like a special event, it was decided that it would go through the special events process. So I've been taking the lead on this. I've been meeting with the Sausalito Historical Society. But rather than have me tell you about it, I would like to bring up Donald Sibbitt from the Historical Society so he can give you a much more detailed description than I can. |
| 00:37:14.77 | Donald Sibbitt | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members. My name is Donald Sibbitt. I'm Vice President of the Sausalito Historical Society and I head our exhibitions committee. Last year I collaborated with city staff on the renovation of our gallery upstairs and also, |
| 00:37:15.04 | Craig Severance | Mr. Mayor. |
| 00:37:30.03 | Donald Sibbitt | hosted the Phil Frank and Fritz Crackers exhibition as well. Not sure how much you know about the Historical Society, but we're an all-volunteer organization. We collect and preserve our town's history, and we create programs and exhibits that inspire, educate, and enrich our community. Tonight, I'm going to share with you the Sausalito Historical Society's latest community project, an exhibition we call Sausalito Set Sail. The exhibition is designed by the Civit Group, my firm. Also Jessica Brainerd and Associates, exhibit developers and writers. Jessica Brainerd is here tonight. And Leslie Stone, graphic designers. Each firm is volunteering their services. Each firm is based in Sausalito. Also working with historical society members, Annie Sutter, Margaret Badger, Bill Kirsch, Larry Clinton, and Angela Wildman. So let me tell you about our plans. I can figure this bit out here. There we go. Okay. All right. Okay, well, as probably all of us know, sailing is a big part of Sausalito life. We probably see sailboats just about every day. We know folks who live on them. Our city's logo has a sailboat on it. Our police department has a sailboat on it. So in many ways, in Sausalito, sailboats are just about everywhere. About a year ago, we started planning an exhibit with a single focus. We would create an exhibit that celebrates Sausalito's rich sailing history, both past and present. We wanted the exhibit to be a community-produced exhibit. So last fall, we engaged Sausalito's sailing community comment on our ideas. We hosted a workshop upstairs in our gallery. The workshop was attended by sailing enthusiasts, boat builders, sailing program directors. We even had journalist Carl Nolte attend. So it was a really lively conversation. The conversation was about the past of Saucido Sailing, but also about the future. And during that workshop, our participants offered ideas about the exhibits, our lectures that we were planning, and also our programs. But probably the most important idea that came out of our workshop was that someone said to us, you know, you should really put the story where the story happened. So from about that point forward, we started thinking about our exhibition having three parts. The first part is the art exhibition upstairs featuring our collection. The second part are lectures and talks. And then our third part is what I'm talking to you about tonight, is our self-guided walking tour along our waterfront. |
| 00:39:57.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:40:01.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:40:01.14 | Donald Sibbitt | Thank you. |
| 00:40:01.16 | Unknown | Let's see. |
| 00:40:06.59 | Donald Sibbitt | Thank you. That one? Yeah. Oh, there we go, okay, perfect, okay. When we think about exhibitions, the first thing we think about is who our audience is. And our goal for our walking tour is to appeal to both visitors and locals alike. And how we'll do that is by making personal connections with our audience. We imagine installing exhibit panels like the mock-up here along our waterfront. Um, And, um, Sorry, excuse me. I highlight along our waterfront. It'll appeal to both visitors alike. We imagine exhibit panels. We'll connect with our audience about sailing, and we'll do that in two ways. We'll highlight key landmarks like the Trident home of the San Francisco Yacht Club, the historic home of the San Francisco Yacht Club, and also we'll reveal some fascinating stories like Herb Madden, Sr., the first founder of Madden and Lewis Boat Yard. When we think about museum exhibitions and outdoor exhibits, we also think about pacing. Our exhibit panels are spaced about a two to three minute walk apart. The panels begin at the Ice House, but since they're along the entire waterfront, you can start just about anywhere. We imagine the walking tour spans from Hurricane Gulch north to Marin Ship and Shoreline Park. And probably if you read every panel from north to south, you'd have an enjoyable one-hour walk along our waterfront. |
| 00:41:08.05 | Craig Severance | We also have a great day. |
| 00:41:35.07 | Donald Sibbitt | The interpretive elements, when we talk about that and think about that, we've divided the two basically into five topics. Our topics include land and sea, which highlights the wind and water conditions that make Sausalito unique. Service to sport, which highlights the factors that contributed to the rise of yachting here. Sausalito built, which highlights our rich sailing heritage, a boat building that continues even today. Flagship vessels will highlight our famous sailing vessels that graced our waterfront. And sailing today highlights the clubs and educational programs committed to keeping sailing alive. Our panels will be still structures with durable interpretive panels. The look and feel will be similar to the mock up here. And we imagine the panels will either be free standing or rail mounted. The panels are all designed to be compliant with the new American with Disability Act regulations. We'll always place them outside of the normal walking path, and on Bridgeway, which gets crowded, we can imagine them being tucked in between two benches, like we're showing in this image here. Our installation is temporary, and we'll capture the interest in sailing this summer. Our graphic panels are designed to essentially hook our visitors and locals alike. By design, the panel information is concise. Each panel has a headline and a subhead that introduces the text. The panels include three to four iconic images with lively captions. Each panel includes a Sausalito Set Sail logo that visually connects each panel to the next and provides a unified visitor experience. At the lower right of the sign, the Saucelito Historical Society will be identified, and so will our sponsors. A quick tour of the 12 locations, starting at the upper left at the Ice House. We imagine there we will have a welcome panel, an introduction panel. Continuing along the boardwalk in the Sausalito Yacht Harbor, we'll talk about the Madden and Lewis boatyard. Out to the point by, at the end of the pier, at the Trident, we'll talk about William Richardson and Richardson Bay. Heading south toward the Sausalito Yacht Club, we'll highlight the club that was founded by 20 and unders, and also highlight their youth sailing programs there. Then heading farther south to Yi Tak Chi Park, we'll highlight bay conditions with wind and tides here that make this place one of the most difficult and challenging sailing locations ever. And then heading farther south to the Trident will highlight the rise of early yacht clubs, especially the San Francisco Yacht Club. Excuse me, the San Francisco Yacht Club. And then at Bridgeway and Richardson Street down in my neighborhood will highlight the Nunes Brothers Boat Yard, the makers of the Bear, Mercury, and the Hurricane. Our other part of our tour is to the north. So if we had left from the Ice House Visitor Center, we would head north on the boardwalk, and we would highlight some of the flagship vessels like Sterling Hayward's Wanderer, Errol Flynn's Zaka, or Harold Summers' Wanderbird. Farther north at the Turney Street boat ramp, we'd highlight the Pascanucci family, who started their boatyard there in 1894. And then making our way to Schoonmaker Point, we'll highlight the Scow schooner, Gaslight, and other schooners who were considered the 18-wheelers of their day. Along the boardwalk, a little bit past La Garage, we'll highlight a story about Aeromarine, which created the first production fiberglass sailboat ever here in Sausalito, and who knew that? Farther north at Marin Ship and Shoreline Park will highlight sustainable sailing, and we'll talk about Alan Olson's educational tall ship program and also modern sailing school. |
| 00:44:44.25 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:45:11.99 | Donald Sibbitt | So just to wrap up. How we imagine is that the exhibit panels are designed to be durable and ADA compliant. The walking tour begins at the IAS House, but you can start just about anywhere. There's 12 interpretive panels along the waterfront, two to three minute walk apart, an enjoyable one hour stroll along our waterfront. We'll appeal to both visitors and locals alike and make personal connections in two ways. We'll highlight the key sailing landmarks in Sausalito and also reveal some of the fascinating personal stories. Well, the fascinating stories include things that we like to think about that celebrate Saucido's rich sailing history, both past and present. So that's our tour. I just want to let you know that the society's excited about doing this, this project called Saucidos at Sail. We're looking forward to creating an art exhibit upstairs, sponsoring talks, and also producing the walking tour. A walking tour, we believe, transforms and enriches our waterfront this summer. Thanks for the opportunity to share our project with you. I'm happy to hear comments. |
| 00:46:12.04 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right, let's bring it up here. Any questions at this time? |
| 00:46:17.62 | Thomas Theodores | Yes, Mr. Mayor. |
| 00:46:18.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:18.60 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:46:18.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:19.61 | Thomas Theodores | Hi, thank you for sharing this with us. This is very, very educational. And I did have a quick question about the color of the stands. Along the waterfront, the white really kind of stands out. And I was wondering if it would be possible for the six month period to paint them a color that would be more natural and kind of blended in to the waterfront. I mean the stands. |
| 00:46:46.28 | Donald Sibbitt | Yeah, great comment. I think this is a mock-up that's basically just in foam core, so I think what we'd like to do is choose a color that blends in and doesn't stand out too much. |
| 00:46:55.79 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, perfect. And I guess my only, I just, I like the idea. It sounds very interesting and I look forward to seeing how it goes for six months. |
| 00:47:07.82 | Unknown | Any other questions? Thank you. |
| 00:47:10.14 | Thomas Theodores | My, uh, Do you have some time? No? No good. Okay. So if you could flip back to your slide of the stand, storyboard for the, or what do you want to call that? There you go. So you saw sales as a logo for the historical site. It's not a corporate or business entity. It's just something you developed for the historical society. That's correct. |
| 00:47:31.21 | Donald Sibbitt | No, no, I'm sorry. That's correct. Basically, like our Fritz Crackers exhibit, we basically created a logo for the exhibit. So this is the logo for this exhibit that will apply to this exhibit. |
| 00:47:40.07 | Thomas Theodores | That's. Right. No, that's fine. I'm just... And you mentioned that on these you will have... So who are your sponsors or what do sponsors mean that are... You said there are going to be logos for sponsors or something on this too? |
| 00:47:54.64 | Donald Sibbitt | What our plans is we'll identify the Saskatchewan Historical Society, and then we're hoping to have sponsors for most of the panels. So if we do, we'd like to identify them on each panel. |
| 00:48:06.25 | Thomas Theodores | You mean like individuals or are they corporate? So we're trying to get, I'm trying to get a sense of is there going to be advertising on these? Or is it going to be like, you know, Susan Rowe donated the money for this? That's exactly right. Sorry, Susan. Sorry. |
| 00:48:15.36 | Donald Sibbitt | Thank you. |
| 00:48:15.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:15.51 | Donald Sibbitt | MR PRICE- That's exactly right. |
| 00:48:15.95 | Unknown | Sorry, Susan. |
| 00:48:20.98 | Thomas Theodores | No, but you're not seeking to put a business logo versus… No, we don't have plans for putting logos. Just check because you never know when it shows up, people will freak out. |
| 00:48:21.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:24.08 | Donald Sibbitt | No, we don't have plans for putting logos. everything. when it shows up, people will freak out. We do plan on identifying them. |
| 00:48:30.90 | Thomas Theodores | And who is the program itself paying for the installation and, let's say, Maintenance, if people mess with them in those six months, somebody's going to do something to something usually. Is the society covering those costs too? |
| 00:48:48.67 | Donald Sibbitt | Yeah, we're planning to cover the cost for both the installation and the maintenance and then the deinstallation. |
| 00:48:54.12 | Thomas Theodores | And Mike, will they be anchored in the ground, or are they just freestanding things you could pick up? |
| 00:48:59.03 | Jonathon Goldman | I don't want to answer this better than I can, but from what I understand, there's some that are going to be mounted to the railings. Right. So say at the end of the bridgeway there at Richardson where you have the railing before you go out on the boardwalk, they'll be there as well as along the boardwalk in the Sausaduwe Yacht Harbor. And then we do have a couple that would be along bridgeway that would be... |
| 00:49:04.68 | Thomas Theodores | Right, I saw that. |
| 00:49:21.81 | Jonathon Goldman | like this one here, and there's four screws that are then anchored into the concrete. So when they come out, you will have four little holes, but those can be patched in with concrete. So you will have four little holes that you may see, but a little bit of dirt, a piece of bubble gum, no one's going to notice them. |
| 00:49:42.77 | Thomas Theodores | We'll come to you for the gum. Thank you. |
| 00:49:44.14 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:49:44.16 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 00:49:44.21 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 00:49:44.27 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:49:44.80 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:49:44.97 | Unknown | you |
| 00:49:45.25 | Thomas Theodores | You can go ahead. Doublemint. |
| 00:49:45.37 | Unknown | You can |
| 00:49:46.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Amen. |
| 00:49:48.43 | Thomas Theodores | I have one more comment. I have to say, the font looks really, really small. Is that just me? I mean, I know I have to wear readers anyway. But anyway, just a comment, something to consider. Sure, but these signs are... |
| 00:49:56.27 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 00:49:56.30 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 00:49:56.44 | Donald Sibbitt | I just walked up the door. |
| 00:50:00.57 | Donald Sibbitt | Sure. These signs are all designed to be ADA compliant, and that includes things like height, typography sizes, contrast, and legibility. So I think it's probably hard to see there on the slide. And our mock-up is not the final material because it's just a mock-up, but that's essentially the size that we're talking about. |
| 00:50:02.04 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:50:20.67 | Thomas Theodores | Can I ask the city attorney question? |
| 00:50:20.89 | Donald Sibbitt | It's just a... |
| 00:50:23.49 | Thomas Theodores | Who else did like the little house out here in front of the park? Did they have to sign some sort of a release of... The Ritter House. Did the Ritter House have to... |
| 00:50:34.53 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, we had an agreement with Ritterhouse. Okay, I would encourage to do the same. They said I marked up more than anybody else. Right, so if somebody... |
| 00:50:34.56 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. I would encourage to do the same here. |
| 00:50:43.03 | Thomas Theodores | Right, so if somebody, again, sorry for this, but we have to ask these questions. Somebody does. falls or hits themselves on it. Was there something in that agreement that sort of says, this is not a city installation, it's, what do you? |
| 00:50:57.14 | Mary Wagner | I don't recall exactly what it said. I'm sure there were indemnity insurance provisions in there. There was an insurance provision in there. |
| 00:51:01.51 | Thomas Theodores | There was an insurance provision in Ritterhaus. Thank you. So maybe you can discuss that with the Historical Society, what their ideas are for that kind of thing, just so we cross over all. So there's no misunderstandings down the road. But the idea is great. I've often wondered why we have nothing that kind of gives you anything to pay attention to along our waterfront, similar to even just the little medallions you see on the Barbary Coast Trail in the city. So I think it's a good trial to see if it works. And as long as we were to do it the right way, I think it would be fun. |
| 00:51:34.74 | Ray Withy | Thank you. At this time here, any comments from the public, any questions? Okay, let's bring it up here. Any comments? |
| 00:51:46.90 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, my comment is I guess on the surface I like the idea. My only concern is that it doesn't detract from the waterfront in a way with the whiteness and the, you know, that's the only thing that I'm, And I'm open-minded. I mean, it's a six-month trial. We'll see, you know, how it goes. We'll listen to the residents. We'll get that feedback. and see. So, you know, I have no issues with trying it for six months and seeing what what comes, what kind of feedback we get. |
| 00:52:22.54 | Ray Withy | What kind of feedback we can. Good. You want to make a recommended motion then? |
| 00:52:31.30 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:52:31.34 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:52:31.40 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 00:52:31.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:52:34.00 | Thomas Theodores | in the session. |
| 00:52:37.04 | Unknown | 6A. |
| 00:52:37.97 | Thomas Theodores | 6A. I guess I would make a... Excuse me, I'm just pulling up the staff report. |
| 00:52:46.88 | Ray Withy | Yeah, there it is right there. |
| 00:52:47.94 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Yeah, I know, it's 6A. Here it is. Okay, I'm going to make a little addendum here. I move to propose, to recommend, uh, to direct staff to work with the Historical Society to determine appropriate locations Okay, I have a question about this because appropriate locations, we just had a presentation which showed a coastline which identified the location. So is that going to change based on this motion? Is that going to be open for changes? |
| 00:53:18.33 | Jonathon Goldman | by locations, we were talking about, you know, How close does it get to the, you know, where do we want it on the exact railing? You know, basically fine tuning it. |
| 00:53:26.87 | Thomas Theodores | That's it. Thank you. For the displays as well as evaluate the mounting hardware to determine that no damage is done to city property and approve this hospital set sail self-guided walking tour. I'm going to add two amendments. with an insurance writer And with a stand color that blends with environment. |
| 00:54:05.35 | Unknown | you |
| 00:54:06.86 | Ray Withy | We get a second? |
| 00:54:07.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:10.34 | Ray Withy | Okay. Okay. And this, I'm sorry. It's okay. |
| 00:54:11.81 | Thomas Theodores | And this, I'm sorry. It's okay. If I may, for a six-month trial period. |
| 00:54:15.35 | Ray Withy | It's okay. |
| 00:54:15.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:24.87 | Thomas Theodores | Can I clarify your motion, Linda? So I'm fine with the color as appropriate, and I'll leave that up to the Historical Society and the staff to deal with that. As far as the documenting of it, Mary, do you think you can shepherd that through the appropriate documentation as to? Yes. Okay. So can that clarify, rather than just the insurance writer? |
| 00:54:39.53 | Thomas Theodores | The insurance writer. |
| 00:54:47.20 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I don't like the sound of insurance writers. It's got to be appropriate documentation that the city attorney finds appropriate. For insurance, right? Yeah. |
| 00:54:51.95 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:54:51.97 | Thomas Theodores | Right. |
| 00:54:52.21 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:54:54.00 | Thomas Theodores | For insurance, right? Yeah. That's fine. |
| 00:54:56.66 | Thomas Theodores | Well for a private installation on public property. |
| 00:54:58.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:58.62 | Ray Withy | private. |
| 00:54:58.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:02.01 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:55:02.59 | Thomas Theodores | And this is for a six month period. |
| 00:55:07.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:07.41 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:55:07.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:07.75 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:55:07.85 | Ray Withy | My understanding from the report, it was from May to September. Is that what you're asking for? |
| 00:55:14.59 | Donald Sibbitt | Well, ideally it would be made through September, but depending on how things go with approvals and authorization and working with the city, I mean, we can imagine it could be that, but it could be later. One of the things that we also have to do is get a temporary installation permit from the BCDC, and so one of the unknowns for us right now is the process and time of that permit. We've told that they would expedite it, but we don't really know what that means. |
| 00:55:39.07 | Ray Withy | Yeah, probably up to October 15th would be a better date. That's right. Because that's the season. |
| 00:55:42.80 | Donald Sibbitt | That's right. That's exactly right. |
| 00:55:46.18 | Thomas Theodores | Why don't you just make it through year-end and then you're done? Okay. Because by the time you get through BCDC, get your funding, get them made. It's not going to happen in May. So let's make it through the year-ending. So then you're June through year-ending. Okay. We got that right? |
| 00:55:46.28 | Donald Sibbitt | Thank you. |
| 00:55:48.76 | Ray Withy | Okay. Because by the time you get through |
| 00:55:50.90 | Donald Sibbitt | CDC. it. |
| 00:55:53.41 | Ray Withy | It's not going to happen in May. So let's make it to the year ending. Okay. |
| 00:55:59.62 | Thomas Theodores | Through December 2013. |
| 00:56:01.18 | Thomas Theodores | For the end of the year. |
| 00:56:02.51 | Ray Withy | Thank you. OK. All right. Have a second. Thank you. All right, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? No? Okay, thank you. From a drafting perspective. Okay, next item on the agenda is approved. |
| 00:56:10.85 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. Thank you. |
| 00:56:13.95 | Unknown | handle it. |
| 00:56:14.37 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:56:21.01 | Ray Withy | Mm-mm. Do I have it right? Yeah, okay. Approve placement of a plaque in Gabelson Park commemorating. the sister cities twining agreement between Cascais, Portugal, and Sausalito, California. You're on again, Mike. |
| 00:56:34.62 | Unknown | You want to get it? |
| 00:56:35.53 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:56:35.87 | Unknown | watching him. |
| 00:56:36.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:56:36.82 | Jonathon Goldman | Good evening again, City Council. Well, as many of you know, Susquehanna has a long history with sister cities. |
| 00:56:50.11 | Jonathon Goldman | There we go. Right now we actually have two formal sister cities, and we're working on the third, which is Costa Rica and Portugal there. Yeah, a little fuzzy up there, but... So the first sister city that Sauciro had was Vina del Mar, Chile. And a few years ago we celebrated 50 years of that. This is a plaque that is mounted on one of the elephants downtown in Vina del Mar Park. which of course is named after the city of Vina del Mar. |
| 00:57:29.08 | Thomas Theodores | mounted like television screen with me dancing when this was installed. we couldn't get a permit. I hope you destroyed that video, frankly. |
| 00:57:35.03 | Jonathon Goldman | I hope you destroyed that video. decency things just in bad taste. |
| 00:57:53.14 | Jonathon Goldman | So our second sister city that we've had since 1988 is Sakate, Japan. These are the cherry trees that are located in front of City Hall here, and each one was a gift from Sakate and planted at various times. This was a picture I took just a few weeks ago of the cherry trees in bloom. |
| 00:58:19.92 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 00:58:23.47 | Jonathon Goldman | So our most recent sister city which is being proposed is Cajcise, Portugal. Now in June 2012, representatives from the city council, or the city including Councilwoman visited Cascais. And she actually witnessed the signing of the twinning agreement, or as it was, the twining agreement. I'm not sure which one it is. Twinning, okay, by Carlos Carreras Murav Cascais. |
| 00:58:50.18 | Craig Severance | Um, |
| 00:58:55.14 | Jonathon Goldman | and then at a regular council meeting on October 23rd 2012. the city passed this resolution here. But before I get any further I'd like to bring up Jim Meyer who's one of the representatives of the Sister City Program. He can tell you a little bit more about what the Sister City Program means. |
| 00:59:17.84 | Jim Meyer | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Councilman. This is totally impromptu. I did not plan on doing this, but Mike asked me to do it. And the reason I'm up here is to dance. |
| 00:59:25.85 | Unknown | They have to dance. Thank you. |
| 00:59:27.89 | Jim Meyer | Thank you. They made me do it, yeah. Well, if you spent five days, unfortunately, with the mayor, it's an amazing experience. But we had a wonderful time, and I'm sure the mayor has brought you up to date with the things we've accomplished and things we've yet to do. I'd just like to say that one of the things I came back from the trip was how important Sister City programs are between not only Sausalito, but the Sister Cities, whether it be Qashqai. While I have not been to Vena, I have not been to Sakaita, I'm sure it's just as important And I think what we're trying to do here about putting this plaque, out where all the visitors come to Sausalito to see how important sister cities are to Sausalito. It's the right thing to do. In fact, I wish we could do more. We have things here in the hall. It's great to see that manuscript of the Japanese people, Visitors don't see that, and I think it's very important that we are seen as an international city. It means a lot when you go and you're in the sky with 14 sister cities, you really felt like you were in an international city, and Sausalito is an international city. And this is the first step in that recognition. So I support it totally. Had a great trip. Karen's on the committee for Qashqai, and of course Susan's leadership of all of those. So we support this, I think. Thank you. |
| 01:00:47.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:00:48.39 | Ray Withy | And thanks for putting up with me. |
| 01:00:49.97 | Thomas Theodores | You paid your dues if you spent five days with him. Later, I'll be back. |
| 01:00:50.38 | Jim Meyer | Amen. |
| 01:00:52.56 | Unknown | Waiter, I'll be taking it. |
| 01:00:53.62 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. |
| 01:00:53.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:53.69 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:00:54.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:54.21 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:00:54.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:56.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:57.26 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:01:00.45 | Unknown | One very important comment I would like to say, and I would like to thank the council And Adam. and the support of the people that just gave so much for seven women that came here from Vina del Mar, Chile. Qashqai particle is our incubator. It's our newest, youngest, brightest vision that we have. Linda went there a year and a half ago. Herbie's been there. Jim went there. Karen has not gone there yet. Vasco couldn't be here tonight because he's singing in the choir. But Portugal is a really interesting sister city. And it is a very unique opportunity for the city of Sausalito to be able to support three vibrant. global communities. And it is my wish and my dream and my vision when we talk about a plaque, being positioned, that when they come here, we can say to them, look at that rock, This is representative of what we are giving to you. So thank you for all your support. Thank you, Jim. Thank you to the team that just went there. This comes out of our own pocket. We are not subsidized by anyone other than our own pocketbooks, and I want everyone to know that when we go on these trips. It is about education and culture and globalization and connecting to another country. They come to Sausalito and they find this magical place. We have three. That is very unique. Thank you. |
| 01:02:39.09 | Jonathon Goldman | So... |
| 01:02:43.59 | Jonathon Goldman | So that's a little bit about the relationship that's being established. And in fact, on May 5th, the mayor of Chile, which actually they call a verriador, his name is Alexandre Faria, Oh. See, I get him. I've still got chili on the brain. |
| 01:03:01.62 | Ray Withy | Yeah, just so you know, Alexandro's been a councilman. He's a young man, and he's been on the council for 20 years. He must have got on there when he was 17. |
| 01:03:11.61 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. He's... He's coming to Sausalito. And that's when we are scheduled to officially sign the twinning agreement which formalizes the sister city relationship. The signing will be done as part of the 125th Sausalito Celebration of the Holy Ghost Festa. Now what that means is they've been having this parade here in town for 125 years. So they're going to tie in this... the signing into this great Sausalito tradition that we have here. Now to commemorate the signing, the Sister City Committee has requested that a plaque be permanently mounted on a rock and placed in Vena Del Mar Park. This is a sample of the plaque. The plaque will be engraved granite. I'm sorry, I'm just not doing too well today. Gabrielsson-Pardon. um, Thank you. We've gone away from the brass plaques because we had quite a few of them stolen in this past year. So what this would be is a granite plaque which is laser etched. And so this is the design that has come up with the city logo as well as the Cascais logo. And There are a couple issues that we need to address or make sure actually that are clear. The first one, of course, is Ordinance 1128. Now, 1128 says that such areas, meaning the parks, shall not be changed from the presently existing condition with the exception of minor maintenance and upkeep necessary to maintain such areas in the presently existing condition without voter approval. This is not changing the park. This is simply adding a plaque. The other one, is the deed of trust. This property was deeded to the city by the Maddens. And it says that such real property, Gabrielson Park, be used solely and exclusively as a landscape open area for a park and that no structures other than benches, drinking fountains, or similar items ordinarily found in an open park, equipment, roadway, or parking area be placed in them. So basically no structures, no equipment, no roadway, no parking area, but we can do things such as benches, drinking fountains, or similar items ordinarily found in an open park. A plaque like this is a fairly common occurrence in parks. So the staff doesn't think that there's any issues with those two, with either Ordinance 1128 or the deed of trust. There is no fiscal impact. The plaque is due to be installed at no cost to the city by the Sister City Committee. So staff is recommending. that the plaque be placed in Gabrielson Park. Now in addition to requesting your permission to have the plaque placed in Gabrielson Park, we are looking for guidance on a location. We have a variety of proposed locations, so here's Gabrielson Park. and you see location number one. It would be right there. |
| 01:06:27.95 | Jonathon Goldman | Amy's tree is actually right there. So there's an aerial view. There's a little tighter. Amy's tree is back there. We're thinking of right here. So again, I've got a variety of different locations. And that's a close-up of the locations. |
| 01:06:54.00 | Jonathon Goldman | We'd need to get a permit. Location number two. right over here. And these locations were picked because they were open. They weren't close to anything else. We don't have to remove any plantings or trees or anything like that. It's not something we want to do. So this would be the area here. |
| 01:07:20.65 | Jonathon Goldman | The scud launchers are gone. So right in there, there was a bush there, but it died, so it was taken out. |
| 01:07:29.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:07:29.81 | Jonathon Goldman | The trash can is right there. So it is close to that. Location number three, just to the north. |
| 01:07:40.00 | Jonathon Goldman | So location number one was in there. This would be location, excuse me, the last location was right in here. This would be the next proposed location. close-up view of it. Location number four, a little bit north of there. So right in here where this person is there, just across from the last bench. We'll close review. |
| 01:08:08.76 | Thomas Theodores | Mr. Mayor, I have a question while you're showing us these So by plaque, are we talking about a stand, something low to the ground? Thank you. |
| 01:08:19.56 | Jonathon Goldman | The proposal is for a |
| 01:08:19.58 | Thomas Theodores | The proposal. |
| 01:08:21.99 | Jonathon Goldman | a rock. About yay big Within a plaque |
| 01:08:24.35 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:08:24.37 | Unknown | Oh, good. Oh, good. Uh-huh. |
| 01:08:27.41 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm sorry. And I say yay big because the |
| 01:08:33.16 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:08:33.53 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:08:33.55 | Thomas Theodores | the Thank you. |
| 01:08:33.94 | Jonathon Goldman | The design is, I'm working with the designers and if we have it too small, we'll have the problem that you can't read it. |
| 01:08:40.82 | Thomas Theodores | I like that it's in a rock, it's natural, and yeah, that's nice. |
| 01:08:43.08 | Jonathon Goldman | which is natural. Yeah, so the granite plaque will be affixed to the rock. So it's not an engraved rock, but a plaque. on the rock. |
| 01:08:52.77 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, great. |
| 01:08:53.97 | Ray Withy | It might, as long as we're on that subject. So the rock is going to be a rock that's from that area, and you're going to move it, but the granite plaque, I'm not sure what that is. Can you describe this? It's not part of the, it's not etched into the rock, but it's a |
| 01:09:06.13 | Jonathon Goldman | It's not anything. |
| 01:09:06.81 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 01:09:08.58 | Ray Withy | Correct. I'm not sure what that is. |
| 01:09:08.65 | Jonathon Goldman | Correct. I'm not sure what that is. It's a piece of granite. They're usually about a quarter inch to half an inch thick. So picture like a granite countertop. Dark gray. And then they take a laser. and they etch on it the writing, and they can do pictures and a logo and things like that. And it's etched on there. and it won't come off. I should have brought my sample up, but I've taken a key. and scratched it. and it didn't scratch. It didn't come off. So here's something that's going to last... virtually no maintenance to it. When it rains, it'll get clean. And it's vandal proof. So that plaque with the engraving on it will be affixed to the rock. use some kind of a silicon so that as the temperatures change it'll flex a little bit. |
| 01:09:53.32 | Ray Withy | Excellent. |
| 01:09:54.72 | Jonathon Goldman | then it'll be go right on the rock, and we'll find a nice rock with a flat face on it. You know, we'll have to bring a rock in. That's gonna be the most challenging part is finding the rock, and then bringing it in. But I didn't want to go out and get the rock and get the plaque made until I got your approval. |
| 01:10:09.79 | Ray Withy | If you really look, there's also a rock with a plaque on Gabelson already in that part. So it isn't going to be the first one. |
| 01:10:18.44 | Unknown | There's at least one. The Rose Garden one. |
| 01:10:18.60 | Jonathon Goldman | There's at least one. There's a rose garden one that's over here. There's actually a few different plaques. There's the Gabrielson Park plaque on the left-hand side as you walk in. Over on the right-hand side, there's a plaque, a smaller plaque for the Blanche Dunphy rose garden. And then there's going to be a very small plaque in front of the cherry tree that was planted in Amy Belzer's memory last year. |
| 01:10:20.86 | Ray Withy | that. |
| 01:10:20.94 | Unknown | THANK YOU. |
| 01:10:21.01 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry. |
| 01:10:21.09 | Unknown | There's actually a few different plasters I'm going to April. |
| 01:10:24.64 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. |
| 01:10:36.55 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 01:10:38.34 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay. So what we're asking for is that permission to put the plaque in Gabrielson Park and to select a location, or if the council wishes to not select a location, you can leave that up to staff. |
| 01:10:40.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:10:53.14 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. |
| 01:10:56.48 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:10:56.50 | Thomas Theodores | Susan, or Mike, or whoever, is that your new logo, the compass logo that's on? Oh, cool. |
| 01:11:03.03 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:11:03.48 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 01:11:07.35 | Thomas Theodores | So can I see location four? That was kind of like that because it was a little bit, you know, it seemed to be more, put more of a spotlight on the plaque. So there's a look. |
| 01:11:21.54 | Jonathon Goldman | So there's location four. So it's on the, again, there's the final entrance before the trees, not next to the trash can. |
| 01:11:25.66 | Thomas Theodores | It was away from the park. |
| 01:11:30.30 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. That seems pretty good. |
| 01:11:31.70 | Jonathon Goldman | So right in there and these bushes, you know, with a little trimming, not removal. Just let them put it where they think. |
| 01:11:45.37 | Jonathon Goldman | And actually, you can see the shadow of the batch right there. |
| 01:11:52.10 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I... |
| 01:11:54.18 | Ray Withy | Yes, I think you have a few locations that I think you can make a good judgment on, really. I think the spots that you've picked are kind of... |
| 01:11:54.58 | Thomas Theodores | Well... |
| 01:12:07.90 | Ray Withy | Thank you. out of the way but right in place at the same time. Tom, do you have any comments? |
| 01:12:14.04 | Ray Withy | Well, no, location two near the garbage cans. I don't know. It doesn't look too good. I tend to like four or one, but I agree. It's going to depend a little bit on the rock you get in that. |
| 01:12:19.89 | Ray Withy | I think. |
| 01:12:26.41 | Thomas Theodores | Look at her plaque that he's got in Chile. Yeah, I know. |
| 01:12:28.21 | Unknown | Yeah, I know. Thank you. |
| 01:12:30.96 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 01:12:31.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:31.52 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:12:31.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:31.86 | Unknown | . |
| 01:12:32.03 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:12:32.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:32.82 | Unknown | I love it. Thank you. |
| 01:12:33.36 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:12:33.38 | Unknown | Yes, yes, they did. |
| 01:12:33.39 | Ray Withy | Yes, yes, they did. They would not let me lie down in front of it. I really thought it would be nice to see my name while I was still alive on a rock, but they wouldn't let me do it. |
| 01:12:35.28 | Unknown | They would not. |
| 01:12:42.13 | Thomas Theodores | and a rock. Did you see the plaque they gave for us in the plaza for Sausalito? Is that what you're referring to? Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Isn't it beautiful? |
| 01:12:52.78 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:12:53.15 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:12:56.98 | Ray Withy | Okay. Mike, good job. We have a... Motion? Public? Any, this time here, any? Susan, Frank? |
| 01:13:06.08 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:13:07.97 | Ray Withy | You have to come up to the stand. |
| 01:13:09.30 | Thomas Theodores | Sorry. |
| 01:13:14.11 | Susan | So. Oh. |
| 01:13:14.97 | Unknown | you |
| 01:13:15.88 | Susan | The plaques for the other Sister City programs. Sorry. There's one in Vena del Mar and one about Cicada. That's already there. In City Hall. |
| 01:13:20.64 | Ray Withy | Uh-huh. That's already there. |
| 01:13:23.97 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:13:24.95 | Susan | Peace out. Thank you. Okay, so we'll have one in City Hall, one in and one in this park. |
| 01:13:32.10 | Unknown | Yeah, we'll send. |
| 01:13:33.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:34.77 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:13:35.02 | Susan | Thank you. |
| 01:13:35.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:35.76 | Susan | it, I don't know, I just feel like it'd be nice to see all of them. Yeah, it's a little disjointed. Otherwise, you may not understand that there are three sister cities, but that's just a quick thought. |
| 01:13:44.94 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:13:50.80 | Unknown | OK. John. |
| 01:13:53.55 | Jan Fidler | Jan Fidler, 501 Ulima. I can't remember when you planted that tree for Amy, whether you put a plaque there for Amy. You did? |
| 01:14:02.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:02.58 | Thomas Theodores | You didn't? Thank you. |
| 01:14:03.13 | Unknown | No. |
| 01:14:03.98 | Thomas Theodores | President Thamble, there is. |
| 01:14:04.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:04.92 | Ray Withy | There was... |
| 01:14:05.55 | Unknown | you |
| 01:14:06.46 | Jan Fidler | Because I'd like to see a plaque to Amy more before this. |
| 01:14:06.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:06.54 | Ray Withy | I'd like to... Yeah, Jean, you will see that. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Mike. |
| 01:14:14.68 | Jonathon Goldman | Since we had all the other plaques stolen throughout town, we've done a complete inventory of all the various plaques and we're going to order all the plaques at once as a cost saving measure. |
| 01:14:24.02 | Thomas Theodores | like this. I think hers is one that was |
| 01:14:26.07 | Jonathon Goldman | that was... you |
| 01:14:26.79 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:14:26.93 | Jonathon Goldman | you |
| 01:14:26.98 | Thomas Theodores | removed by folks. |
| 01:14:30.83 | Karen | Mayor and city council, I just wanted to let you know that you recently received in your email box an invitation to the Portuguese consulate to help commemorate the visit of these two delegates from Qashqais. And I think this is one of the exciting things about the program is to be able to participate |
| 01:14:46.93 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 01:14:54.28 | Karen | on a more global level. with other similar, well your peers really. And I hope you all are able to attend. It's a really lovely place and just wanted to bring that up to you. And thank you for the opportunity to work on these committees and to also feel global. It's really an important part of life. So. |
| 01:15:20.39 | Thomas Theodores | Karen, can you remind us what night that is again? |
| 01:15:23.07 | Karen | Oh, I think it's Monday, May 6th, I think is the exact date. |
| 01:15:29.87 | Unknown | Yeah, because you're supposed to. |
| 01:15:30.26 | Karen | But you have the full schedule of minute by minute what they're going to be doing and where we're going to be eating. And if you want to join us at any of the restaurants or any of the other events, then you're certainly welcome. I just need an RSVP so we can prepare the restaurants. But in particular, I thought you would enjoy the council in that meeting. Okay. |
| 01:15:55.84 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Ken. |
| 01:15:56.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:58.05 | Ray Withy | Peter, what are you doing? You're supposed to be sleeping. |
| 01:15:58.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:58.29 | Peter Romanowski | What are you doing? You're supposed to be sleeping. My name is Peter Romanowski, resident of Velvidere. Of course, the Saucydo Police don't realize that. They come out and ticket us now. But other than that, |
| 01:16:02.96 | Unknown | to see. |
| 01:16:03.03 | Ray Withy | Thanks. |
| 01:16:06.15 | Unknown | Of course. |
| 01:16:06.47 | Unknown | to saucer. |
| 01:16:06.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:16:07.15 | Unknown | Please don't. |
| 01:16:07.45 | Ray Withy | Really? |
| 01:16:07.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:07.99 | Craig Severance | that. Yeah. |
| 01:16:14.15 | Peter Romanowski | the plaque of the daisy bushes. The daisy bushes, if you put it there, don't cut no daisies down because I pick a few, put on my hat now and then. You don't want those. I'm pruning it. The more you pick, the more they grow. But anyways, don't cut down any of these bushes. And I don't think Herb Madden would mind if there was a plaque there. I don't think so. You know, and by the way, there needs to be a plaque of Otis Redding who wrote DACA today, you know, because when the tourists get off the boat, they need to know that Otis Redding wrote DACA. |
| 01:16:49.84 | Ray Withy | But that's on at the end of the bank. |
| 01:16:49.86 | Peter Romanowski | Thank you. Well, it's just technicality. |
| 01:16:54.03 | Ray Withy | We'll talk. Peter, I'll talk to you probably. Okay, okay, okay. |
| 01:16:57.10 | Peter Romanowski | Okay, okay, okay. And one more thing. And you have my permission in advance to put up a plaque for my dog and I. Actually, a bronze statue because I'm splitting in a year. I'm going to be 65. I'm getting out of the stinking little town. My grandfather preached here in 1890, and I have inherited that mantle, and nobody has listened. Nobody has listened. Okay. |
| 01:17:10.53 | Unknown | He did. |
| 01:17:10.97 | Craig Severance | Yeah. |
| 01:17:11.04 | Ray Withy | and father. |
| 01:17:18.38 | Ray Withy | Yep. Patty, I mean, listen, you've been saying that now for two years. No, no, no, no. Well, I'll be back. Okay, we've got to move. |
| 01:17:21.52 | Peter Romanowski | Listen, you... |
| 01:17:25.53 | Peter Romanowski | Okay, we've got to move. I'll be back and forth. I'll be back and forth. Thank you, Peter. I'm going to leave hopefully when the big one hits. Because I know none of you would have ever been elected if you weren't for abortion or gay marriage. I know that for a fact. Okay. And most of the people here too. |
| 01:17:28.25 | Ray Withy | I'll be back and forth. All right. Thank you, Peter. |
| 01:17:34.66 | Ray Withy | I know nothing. |
| 01:17:40.40 | Ray Withy | Thank you. for three. |
| 01:17:41.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:17:41.14 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Okay, Peter. Thank you. Okay, with that, we'll bring it back. |
| 01:17:43.93 | Peter Romanowski | All right. Okay. |
| 01:17:49.93 | Thomas Theodores | Do you care where it goes? |
| 01:17:52.47 | Ray Withy | No, I don't care where it goes. I leave it at the discretion of Mike. |
| 01:17:55.79 | Thomas Theodores | All right. |
| 01:17:57.11 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:17:59.52 | Thomas Theodores | So do you, Mike, do you need any? Yeah, he needs a. |
| 01:18:00.63 | Ray Withy | Yeah, he needs a recommended motion. |
| 01:18:04.67 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. So, uh... I'll make a motion to move to approve. No, that's priority calendar you just gave me. Nice try. Potion to approve the placement of a plaque in Gabelson Park commemorating the twinning agreement between Sausalito and Kaiskais, Portugal. |
| 01:18:12.66 | Unknown | Nice try. Nice try. Thank you. All right, well, I'm going to... |
| 01:18:28.14 | Thomas Theodores | It can be installed also with the replacement plaque for Amy Belser. Um, and to the placement of this location to be up to between staff and the Sister City folks to arrange where it goes in an appropriate place. Thank you. |
| 01:18:41.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:41.35 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Have a second. |
| 01:18:41.79 | Unknown | I have a second. |
| 01:18:42.41 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Second. |
| 01:18:43.77 | Unknown | Second. |
| 01:18:43.97 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Mike, thank you very much. |
| 01:18:45.91 | Unknown | Bye-bye. |
| 01:18:46.65 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:18:46.69 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:18:49.25 | Ray Withy | Thank you folks. Thank you folks for coming. |
| 01:18:52.17 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you, Sister City. Thank you. |
| 01:18:53.65 | Ray Withy | Music. So we're now not in a Next. |
| 01:18:59.00 | Unknown | that. |
| 01:19:00.76 | Ray Withy | Next we have the annual review of the City Council priority calendar. Adam? |
| 01:19:02.31 | Unknown | John, thanks for coming. |
| 01:19:10.85 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:19:10.87 | Adam Politzer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Councilmembers. Tonight is the beginning of the process of the priority calendar. |
| 01:19:13.89 | Unknown | And I... |
| 01:19:18.86 | Adam Politzer | It's step one and it's the review of the project. In your packet, you received a list and also attachments of the proposed priority calendar items from staff. You'll see that, In the staff report, it says there's 51, Our trustee City Clerk corrected me and said there's only 50. So I apologize. I was trying to get to 50. because that's a good number to start with. But... had miscounted and put 51. I'm not sure. The process includes hearing from the public tonight Also working the priority calendar items through the various boards and commissions. So you have as attachments the priority calendars for several of our boards and commissions including the business Advisory Commission, the Disaster Preparedness Committee, the Historic Landmarks Board, the Park and Rec Commission, the Planning Commission, the Sustainability Commission, and the Trees and Views Commission. And you'll see that there are more items on their list than what made the list of 50, but part of the process is for those groups also to look at things that they want to discuss. going forward in the year that may not make it to our to our list but remain on theirs to work on. The example of that was the sustainability commission working on the food scrap program where it didn't make it above the line on our list but it was something that they were able to continue to work on We also want to hear from the public. And so the opportunity for the public to come tonight and throughout the process, to make recommendations on items that they'd like the city to consider. So the list of 50. include feedback, from Council from the projects that THAT ARE CONTINUING ITEMS THAT ARE on the list that were either above or below, that were on the original list 56 that were identified last year. Um, that have come forward that are new from the boards and commission. and then items that have come forward from staff based on direction, that has been given either by the city manager or the city council. or items that have come from outside the city limits. like the county of Marin or the state of California or federal government. that have directed items to be addressed that were not Thank you. |
| 01:22:01.98 | Unknown | Uh, |
| 01:22:02.65 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. part of our normal day-to-day business. The process is a three-step process. Tonight is step one, as I indicated, what will happen from this point is that you will review the items, you'll take public comments, and then you will agree that the list is a certain number. It can be the 50 that are recommended, or you may decide to remove items because you don't think that they are relevant for this upcoming year based on a variety of thoughts. or you may add items that come forward either from your own DISCUSSIONS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. or from items that get proposed tonight, from the public. um, Once you have come to agreement on what that number will be, anywhere from 50 to less or 50 and more, THEN YOU WILL THEN MAKE THE MOTION to move on to step Two. which would then take place on May 7th, so between now and May 7th, the staff. We'll look at the items that are on the list. come back with a report to the Council that talks about how much time how much money, what type of resources would be necessary for us to be successful in moving those items forward and or completing those items. In some cases, it may be a combination of staff and other outside dollars necessary, like consultant fees, to have these projects move forward in a timely and successful manner. um, You then on the May 7th meeting will review that, have an opportunity to ask staff questions. and then deliberate on if these are the items, again, that you want to continue to study. going forward. and rank and and proposed. and then you will at the end of the May 7th meeting take that action. And then between May 7th and May 29th, YOU THEN AS INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBERS WILL RANK THEM as you see fit on your priority for the city. Prior to May 29th those individual ranks Calendars will come back to the city clerk's office. And she will tabulate those and provide those to us at the May 29th, Council meeting. to see what the individual rankings look like and then the collective and final ranking that comes from blending those together and averaging the numbers so that we now see what the collective body prioritized for the upcoming year. During the process, a majority vote is taken to remove or modify any of the items that are on the list. starting tonight. Again, on May 7th, an opportunity again to modify the list. and then final opportunity on May 29th. to do the same with the majority vote. And at the conclusion of the May 29th meeting, a below the line a below-the-line ranking will appear. So that. Thank you. so we can identify the projects above the line that we'll work on and then the items below the line based on either volunteer efforts from boards and commissions or volunteer groups or nonprofits, or new money that comes from grants would then be able to be applied to move those below the line items forward. It's a little confusing on what defines the priority calendar item. It's a bit of a catch-all for items that are not really routine of the city. and that are outside of the normal day-to-day business. And so we've provided a definition in the staff report that is not to be misunderstood as it has to be one or the other, but it could be an and Pandora. but requires at least 40 hours of staff time. and or our one time in nature. have been directed by the council, the city manager, or commission through specific action. including the budget. do not reflect the routine provisions of city service. and our mandates imposed by state or federal government or other funding agencies. and or our major capital improvements outside of the normal CIP schedule. Again, the main idea of the priority calendar process is to make sure that the staff and the council are on the same page. as we move forward and we don't take on more than we can actually handle. and the things that we take on that we can make significant progress on as we move forward. Of the 50 projects that are proposed, eight of them are new. And then from the list from last year, the priority calendar from last year, staff is recommending removing 17 items from the list, and that's – Council has to take action tonight because it's only at the discretion of the Council to remove these items. Many of the 17 items have been completed, and other items that are on this list have had no action by staff or by council or request from the community to continue action on these items. has recommended since they seem to be dormant at the time or not a priority of the council to move these off of the list. and have them reappear when so time when the time Right. with the energy from the community to bring them forward. But again, the council, if they choose, could add any of these 17 items back onto the list of 50 for staff to consider. But that would take a vote of the majority of the council to put any of those 17 back onto the priority calendar. Staff is here tonight to answer questions of the 50 items. Some of them are crystal clear on what they are and some of them are clear as mud. So you may have questions of what the intent of those items are, what are we trying to accomplish, And that type of discussion is healthy so that we are clear on what our goals are for the next 12 months. The period of action is from July 1 to June 30th, so we are in the final months of the Uh, June. July 1, 2012 through June 30, 2013. We gave a presentation and an update at the last Council meeting. I also included that update in your packet as an attachment. So again, as a reminder of where we are and what the next steps are, several of those items as you see on the list here that's on the overhead slide that shows and also in the ranking on your staff report shows what number they are so that you can see that many of the 50 items, 42 of them to be exact, are continuing from the last year's priority calendar. Staff is here to answer questions as I am. The most important thing that I would suggest to the council is to take public comment to to hear of items that may not have been included through the various boards and commissions or through staff There was late mail that I sent out last night on this particular item. One was related to our Sausalito Village, a request from Sausalito Village. to look at opportunities to support our senior population. And I believe that a member of the public will comment on that today. And then two emails that I forwarded to you on request to deal with the bicycle Um, challenges that we have, particularly downtown in the southern part of Sausalito. Those items are not on the priority calendar at the moment. but at the discretion of the council can be added. If so, chosen. Thank you. Happy to answer any questions of the council and ready to move forward on step one. |
| 01:30:50.99 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Mr. Mayor, can I ask a question? You and the council, so You know, we did one of the departures we made last year, which isn't reflected here, was sort of breaking this into a bunch of different steps, one of which is separately, first do let's take all the junk off. That's tough things, good things that have been accomplished. And agree to that first. So you pare down the list first. Maybe we can do that after public comment, and then people can have a chance to publicly comment on the if they feel things were removed that shouldn't have been removed after that so people don't have to wait around for that other process to take place. Thank you. Thank you. So and then as far as our suggestions for new Thank you. thanks for the list that you know there's two that we break that into two, we have it both tonight and the opportunity to do it at the next meeting as well. I think that's what we did last year. I found that to be helpful because then you know what's gone. and what's not being represented and then you can add those to the list that may add for an additional budget meeting. in you know at beginning of june but i don't think we're anticipating adopting the budget in May 29th, right? That's a suggestion. No. |
| 01:32:14.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:18.32 | Thomas Theodores | So just to clarify, the process would start with reviewing the list that staff has recommended that be removed from the, okay. All right, okay. |
| 01:32:30.35 | Unknown | Thank you. you |
| 01:32:31.11 | Jan Fidler | Thank you. |
| 01:32:31.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:34.28 | Unknown | you |
| 01:32:34.93 | Ray Withy | Yeah, it's a technical question. I was looking at the last year's priority calendar, and actually the very last item on the list which I think Um, if I remember, the Vice Mayor was particularly interested in was private use of public local lands, underwater streets. I couldn't find it on either the removed or the proposed |
| 01:33:07.02 | Thomas Theodores | So it brings up a good point. We've got to make sure everybody understands what these are. Because these descriptions are not necessarily the most enlightening if you weren't there for the discussion. And it's not your fault. You've just got to fit it in a short amount of words. So rather than put people on the spot unless they want to, is there a lot of people who |
| 01:33:07.66 | Ray Withy | So it- things. |
| 01:33:28.52 | Thomas Theodores | We don't have to go through 27 of these, but if there's something that needs description. So that is, I'll just describe that one since you asked the question. So this was the idea here. and it gets sort of misconstrued. So we have underwater streets still existent in Sausalito. Um, And the idea there is that you retire those and you You don't... you give those to it like a land trust and say those can't be developed. So what that would essentially do is make it much more difficult to develop the lots that are around, I mean, not frankly, that are on the other side of these underwater streets. So it doesn't prohibit you from doing that, but it would make it a much more interesting task. And as far as construction of new structures or marinas along the bay. |
| 01:34:24.95 | Ray Withy | . |
| 01:34:25.48 | Adam Politzer | I, |
| 01:34:25.66 | Thomas Theodores | might have been a |
| 01:34:25.69 | Ray Withy | My comment was, I can't find it anywhere. |
| 01:34:25.96 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 01:34:26.20 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:34:27.94 | Adam Politzer | Right, so, and let me just be helpful, you know, when you look at the progress report that was presented at the last council meeting and also your attachment here. It's the last item, private use of public local land, underwater streets, develop policy, |
| 01:34:42.38 | Thomas Theodores | policy. It doesn't go in |
| 01:34:44.73 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:34:44.76 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:34:45.49 | Adam Politzer | And it says that the next action is to work with the legislative committee to develop proposed policy for |
| 01:34:50.40 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:34:50.42 | Unknown | to follow the C4. |
| 01:34:51.68 | Adam Politzer | And that's proposed to happen by June 30th. So I think that it's a legislative committee item where they'll start the discussion on that. That is one of the items that has because it's the last on the priority calendar. It's number 45 of the 30 items that were provided. |
| 01:35:10.24 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I think what he's saying is it didn't make the bullet point list, but it was in the action list items. It's on the, it's not on, I don't know what document you want to call it. |
| 01:35:15.69 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 01:35:15.71 | Ray Withy | It's on the side. |
| 01:35:16.89 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 01:35:20.60 | Thomas Theodores | The... It was on your report. |
| 01:35:22.78 | Ray Withy | Yeah. But it's not. It's either got to be on the priority calendar or you're recommending it take it off. It's not on any of them. |
| 01:35:30.93 | Adam Politzer | Good point. It's not in the staff report. It wasn't clear on what the question was. I now understand what the question was. |
| 01:35:32.27 | Ray Withy | It's not in the... The question was I... |
| 01:35:39.54 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. Okay. Thank you. It's 51. If you keep it on. It's right now in the gray zone. |
| 01:35:41.56 | Ray Withy | Sorry. |
| 01:35:48.30 | Thomas Theodores | Oh no, it's still on the calendar until you take it off. Thank you. |
| 01:35:52.26 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 01:35:52.90 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:35:52.94 | Ray Withy | Maybe we'll get it. |
| 01:35:52.94 | Adam Politzer | Maybe we'll get it complete by June 30th of this year. |
| 01:35:53.65 | Thomas Theodores | like, you know, like, you know Thank you. |
| 01:35:55.98 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. |
| 01:35:56.06 | Thomas Theodores | I'm not. |
| 01:35:56.14 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:35:56.26 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:35:56.60 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 01:35:57.76 | Ray Withy | Okay, at this time here. |
| 01:35:59.03 | Thomas Theodores | on some comments from the public. My suggestion, I think this is what you said, is to take your comments first for other things because there's some late mail items and there's people who came here to put forward ideas. Thank you. go through what the commissions have, go through the ones that were removed, And then people who want to stay around for that can comment on that and then go through the boards and commissions and other things as well. |
| 01:36:25.25 | Ray Withy | Okay, so is there anybody that would like to comment on what we have here or what they would like to see on this consent calendar? Betsy? |
| 01:36:38.72 | Betsy | Thank you. |
| 01:36:38.74 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 01:36:39.51 | Betsy | Thank you. This all came up very recently. I just found out about this priority list yesterday. |
| 01:36:45.65 | Thomas Theodores | We have your email if you want to read it. Okay, good. |
| 01:36:47.01 | Betsy | Okay, good. And I won't... I mean, if you need to... |
| 01:36:48.96 | Thomas Theodores | I mean, if you need to use it as a reference. |
| 01:36:49.91 | Betsy | Use it as a reference. Thank you. |
| 01:36:53.10 | Thomas Theodores | That's what I was thinking. |
| 01:37:01.96 | Betsy | We had a community meeting in February, and I made a statement at that meeting to the effect that I had envisioned For Sausalito being a senior friendly community, And I said, this is a vision, not a plan. I don't have any real ideas or path that I think we can take, but I want everybody to sort of be thinking about that. And then about Ten days ago, I got something, well, about a month ago, somebody asked me to prepare a description of Sausalito Village for some organization, which I did, and it came back to me a few days ago as part of a compendium of all of the organizations in the United States that are helping older people and all of the organizations that will provide funding for making age-friendly communities. And I thought, wow, this is pretty exciting. So I began to get interested in it about a week ago. And then I saw this thing yesterday about your priorities, and I thought, well, it sounds like a good time for us to be talking about um, crafting an initiative to make Sausalito an age-friendly community. And I think we've got the energy. I, by the way, am speaking on my own behalf. The Sausalito Village Steering Committee doesn't know I'm here because this will all happen so quickly. But I'm sure I will have their support. And we really would like, I really think it makes sense with the, what's being called the Silver Tsunami and the large, large number of older people in our community all of you guys on the road to being there. |
| 01:38:41.48 | Ray Withy | Excuse me, I am there. |
| 01:38:42.31 | Betsy | I am there already with me, Herbie. |
| 01:38:48.74 | Betsy | But that it would be good for all of us if we could start planning for how to make this an age-friendly community. And I had a little chat with a realtor in town who was saying it's good for business to be doing this because, gee, it would be terrific if I can tell all these people who might, I want to have come buy houses in Sausalito what we do for older people in Sausalito. And I think it would be good for people downtown if we could get people feeling comfortable going downtown and going to the shops. They have some money, some of these people. So I would just hope that we could think of this as a priority. I think there's money around to help us work on it, and I am personally willing to get involved in this to whatever extent people think makes sense. So that's about all I have to say on that. |
| 01:39:36.60 | Thomas Theodores | term of art is, you said it, but the right term is |
| 01:39:40.43 | Betsy | Beg your pardon? |
| 01:39:41.07 | Thomas Theodores | the right term of art for senior friendly? No, it's age friendly. |
| 01:39:44.18 | Betsy | No, it's age friendly. It's age friendly. Making this a good town for all ages. And I read something that sort of interested me a little bit. Somebody, a city planner said that if you make it good for the kids and make it good for the older people, that the rest of the... |
| 01:39:48.73 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:39:48.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:51.10 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:39:51.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:58.98 | Betsy | the city will fall into place. And I started thinking about all that's been going on with the charter school and I was thinking, well, let's start working on the other end of the age spectrum and see if we can make this town work for everybody. That's great. |
| 01:40:11.83 | Ray Withy | Thank you, and thank you for all you do with that village. If it wasn't for you, Betsy, it wouldn't really be so successful the way it is. So thank you. I'm a member. |
| 01:40:22.60 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:40:24.85 | Ray Withy | Okay, any other comments? Susan, Frank? |
| 01:40:33.76 | Susan | Thank you. I am here actually on behalf of the Sausalito Foundation, of which I'm the board member, and under community projects, I noticed that Ice House Plaza isn't listed. This is something that's already been approved by Council. I'm not sure if it qualifies, Adam. It may not require 40 hours of staff time, but it probably qualifies under the direction. I mean, you guys are part of it and you own the property that the ICE House is on. But this, we're in our fundraising phase and we're just about to make an announcement of, a sizable donation by a service organization here in town. And we're just about also to go out with our big fundraising campaign to the residents. So it's going to be an important part of the downtown area. It will be a lovely plaza, a new plaza in front of the Ice House, and I think it will be beneficial for both the kids, students, and also the seniors of our community and everyone in between. I hope that somewhere it can be reflected. I do know the city will have to be involved. some moving of some infrastructure that has to happen to accommodate that. We're anticipating that we would be able to start, hopefully, this fall with the construction of it. So that's just an addition. Thank you. |
| 01:42:10.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:10.57 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Susan. Anybody else that would like to make any comment? |
| 01:42:19.44 | Peter Romanowski | I'd like to add something to this list. Is that okay? It's your... It's America. Number one, we need showers on the waterfront. And Schoonamaker had a little outdoor shower, a cold water shower, for the anchor outs, transients, whatever, the grandfathered and people. |
| 01:42:23.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:24.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:24.37 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:42:39.96 | Peter Romanowski | We need a shower. There's a terrible hostility between the Hill people and the waterfront people and there seems to be no cure for it and it's just getting worse all the time. I'll be 65, I'll be able to retire next year and get Social Security and move around. But in a vain attempt to say that showers, you know, I mean this is the only waterfront community it doesn't have them. And also, the Dignity Doc on who say that showers, you know. I mean, this is the only waterfront community that doesn't have them. And also, the dinghy dock on Turney Street, there needs to be more clarification on that. Galilee Harbor has a policy. Nobody should have a boat larger than 12 feet or 17 feet tied up there. And the right side of the Turney Street dinghy dock, it really should, there should be some plaques saying, look, if you're going to tie up here, tie on the right side There's been a lot of confusion. I got a $50 ticket in my pocket on my dinghy there. which I've been tying for years. And I've had a boat on the bay since 1984. And I've been anchored out continuously for a quarter of a century. So, you know, I got a lot of salt water on my veins. And I remember when we could tie up nowhere. We couldn't even tie up a dumpy part. And there needs clarification there, otherwise, I don't know, judgment from God. I mean, God's the only one that's going to stand up for us on the Anchorage, because we're nothing, we're nobody. But I will say that my great-grandfather was here preaching in 1890. My father-in-law was the biggest taxpayer in this town, Ernest now Captain Kettenholz. HE WAS IN THE the state harbors commission. pointed by Reagan and I married into Welton Power, I could be sitting where you're sitting. if I rented my soul to the devil. But anyways, that's a whole other story. Okay, we'll wind it down. You may be undercover for the Lord. You may be undercover for the Nazi empire. A lot of Nazis were undercover, don't worry. But, but, but, but, but, give it to the dingy dock. The shower, some clarification on the tourney dingy dock. Yes, yes, yes, sir. |
| 01:44:38.61 | Thomas Theodores | What the hell up here we know. |
| 01:44:46.51 | Unknown | but no |
| 01:44:48.03 | Thomas Theodores | Keep it to the dinghy dock. The shower and some kind of thing. Yes, yes, yes sir. |
| 01:44:55.67 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Okay. |
| 01:45:00.04 | Thomas Theodores | with that. Is there any, no one else? Thank you. |
| 01:45:02.15 | Unknown | Anybody else? Okay, let's bring it back up here. |
| 01:45:06.88 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, so would it be okay if we go through staff's suggested removal list? Thank you. |
| 01:45:12.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:21.15 | Thomas Theodores | That's in the staff report, right? |
| 01:45:28.14 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, thank you, Betsy. |
| 01:45:35.09 | Thomas Theodores | So I can comment on the first one. What's the process going through this? Shall we start with the first bullet, ABAC? |
| 01:45:38.82 | Unknown | Don't. |
| 01:45:42.57 | Thomas Theodores | Amen. So I was the one who put this on here. As you know, the city of Corte Madera voted to withdraw from ABAG. And the point of this priority item is to have an agenda item in which we invite a representative from the Court of Madera to just share their thoughts so that we as a council can be educated on both sides to make that decision as to whether or not to withdraw. So as you know, ABAG is the Association for Bay Area Governments. They are the ones who identified some pretty outrageously high regional housing allocation quotas for Sausalito and based on the methodology that is is beyond, it was very controversial. And so that was the idea behind putting the consideration to withdraw, to educate the council on the pros and cons so that they could make, we could make an educated decision. And I guess I can keep going because I'm the reason number two is up there, too, the bicycle and pedestrian. I'm sorry. Okay, that's fine. |
| 01:47:00.29 | Unknown | No. I don't want to do good work. Go ahead. |
| 01:47:09.66 | Ray Withy | Well, I'll just comment. I mean, I think this issue has been around for a while now. Every other city in Marin has decided not to withdraw. I don't think there's any reason to. And I don't see why we would want to spend time bringing Cordova Darien, so I'd move to take it off the list. Thank you. |
| 01:47:25.51 | Ray Withy | And I second that. |
| 01:47:26.94 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:47:27.80 | Ray Withy | Do we need a rule? |
| 01:47:30.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:30.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:30.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:30.30 | Ray Withy | you |
| 01:47:30.89 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay, opposed? |
| 01:47:32.68 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:47:32.69 | Unknown | I know. |
| 01:47:32.78 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:47:32.93 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:47:33.71 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 01:47:34.06 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:47:36.10 | Thomas Theodores | No. |
| 01:47:37.35 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. Let's go to the next item, which is. Bicycle and Pedestrian Committee established already exists, needs to be populated. |
| 01:47:49.18 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, so this was on the priority list because clearly the bicycle safety Intel needs improvement and the congestion needs to be reduced. And there is a great amount of concern in the community. And establishing a committee staffed by residents to explore strategies, new and bring fresh minds and fresh questions to this problem makes a lot of sense. And so the council had approved the committee initially, but then never populated it. I know now we have applications. I believe we're up to five applications, if not six. And we already have the framework of the committee, and there's... It seems like this would be a relatively straightforward priority to implement and to great benefit to the residents of Sausalito. Thank you. |
| 01:48:51.79 | Ray Withy | I have a clarifying question for staff. Hasn't this been established? I mean, you say up there that to establish it, and you said it already exists. So why would this be a priority item? |
| 01:48:51.97 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 01:48:52.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:54.11 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Isn't |
| 01:49:02.69 | Unknown | It is. |
| 01:49:02.82 | Thomas Theodores | over the years. |
| 01:49:03.08 | Unknown | See you. |
| 01:49:03.28 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:49:03.33 | Unknown | to. |
| 01:49:03.50 | Thomas Theodores | just |
| 01:49:03.84 | Unknown | Yeah. So, |
| 01:49:04.41 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:49:04.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:07.73 | Thomas Theodores | Well, it's how you interpret the word established. Committee established means that it's staffed and it's meeting. Right now, we just have it on paper, but the interviewing process has never commenced, and we've never staffed it. So for all intents and purposes, it's nothing more than a piece of paper. And so I've been saying for the past four years, actually, to let's move forward on this and let's staff this and let's get this going. The residents have been demanding it and I don't blame them. |
| 01:49:32.35 | Craig Severance | Well, |
| 01:49:44.44 | Thomas Theodores | And now we have five applicants. |
| 01:49:46.82 | Ray Withy | We have five applicants, and they're all from the south end of town. When this committee was going to be established, it was that it was the two people from the south end of town one that had an interest in bicycles, one that was interested in the residents, in the middle of town, it was supposed to be Two people, same. Bicycle influence on one. People that live in town and have a bicycle is what I really... And at the north end, I don't think it's fair right now that we have five applicants from the south end of town when we really should have six applicants representing two from each end of town. I know this is a big concern about the bicycles, but I can also give you an update right now that in the south end of town, for the months of February and up to March 22nd There's been one reported accident, bicycle accident at that end of town. So, yes, go ahead. |
| 01:50:47.19 | Adam Politzer | So, yes, go ahead. I'm sorry to interrupt. Just trying to, because as we've had in the past, this process can take a long time if we get too far off of the path. You know, to Council Member Withey's question and to Council, woman Pfeiffer's comment Why we're recommending that it's not a part of the priority calendar is that like the Arts Commission or Citizen Review Board on police matters where they only have two members so they don't have a quorum. That's a... regular, routine, responsibility of staff and the council to say we want to prioritized not through the priority calendar, but through the Council's appointments of boards and commissions. And when the last time we really did this more formally when Mike Kelly was the mayor ranked the and commissions in order on how he wanted to get them repopulated. And some of them were higher like the Planning Commission or HLB The Sustainability Commission and others were lower, and the clear example that was on the lower list was the Arts Commission, and we've heard from the public and Councilmember Pfeiffer on a regular basis of needing to repopulate that. the bicycle and ped and it's important to highlight that there's also a pedestrian committee component to an important factor of it because it's not just about by should be looking at the entire city from Gate 6 Road all the way to the south city limits. And I think that there is a heightened awareness that the southern part of town from the ferry landing to Alexander Avenue needs to be looked at and that's why we have a study from TAM that will help us do this. so you guys don't get too muddied into all the details here. This commission exists and we needed to go through the process last year to even look And we found that we did, and it was council discussion. in The program established And now, It's just the council needs to decide if they want to populate it. doesn't belong on the priority calendar, but it should be the Council looking at all of its boards and commissions and coming up with a schedule and a priority of how you're going to make those appointments. Thank you. |
| 01:53:08.59 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you, Adam. If I may, I can't think of... Getting the bicycle congestion and the traffic, it's so unsafe under control, is a primary priority. And I would... When I see established the... The interpretation of the word in my recollection was established, stood for staffed. Because we had already passed this when it was put on this list. We had already voted to establish the committee. So established in this was staffed. Now in terms of getting representatives from all of Sausalito, I can get you that in 24 hours. |
| 01:53:37.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:53:43.81 | Ray Withy | And we're trying to do it. |
| 01:53:45.61 | Thomas Theodores | Well then we keep this on. So |
| 01:53:47.86 | Ray Withy | I want to see names from around the council. |
| 01:53:48.33 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 01:53:48.36 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:53:48.48 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:53:48.50 | Thomas Theodores | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:53:48.55 | Thomas Theodores | named from around the town. Just a point of clarity, wherever people come from, It's not going to take 40 hours of time to appoint Thank you. however many people are on this. Right, so it's not, it doesn't belong on the priority. It's an important issue, bicycles and Oscerito, and when it gets appointed or whoever, it doesn't require staff time. It won't be a staff. Staff will not be, first of all, there is nothing for them to work on at the moment, right, except for free think about this problem. But I think so before you create, you have to give them a charge. Go do this, come back with a solution, just like we've asked for our commission appointment. So right now, other than to vent on these issues, there's no action items for them. So But let's, if we have that, there are some items I'm sure we'll add to the list that will need to go through a process like that. Then we'll form the committee and give them something to do. But either way, it's not going to take 40 hours of staff time to populate this Committee. So which is what the criteria is here, money or 40 hours staff time? |
| 01:54:48.62 | Thomas Theodores | which is what the criteria is. Yeah. So I would respond that it definitely will take 40 hours and more. I mean, we have an agenda item tonight in which we have Chief Tejeda presenting a, making a presentation on proposals to mitigate bicycle congestion downtown with respect to parking. So I guess perhaps one of the solutions is if I don't have consensus, first of all, I'm not going to vote to take that off. But if it's not successful in keeping it on, then I will... recommend it again and resurrect it as bicycle congestion solutions and make it broader. Because whatever those solutions entail, it's going to entail staff time. |
| 01:55:36.69 | Thomas Theodores | The reality is you put a lot of things on this list, but the money and staff time, you've got to come up, you've got to take something from out of the pot to get people to work on this, right? Thank you. You can propose. |
| 01:55:49.17 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. What? Anyway, I support this. |
| 01:55:53.58 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 01:55:53.97 | Unknown | you |
| 01:55:54.15 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 01:55:55.85 | Ray Withy | All right. Yeah, let's vote. Well, I move to remove this from |
| 01:55:56.02 | Unknown | All right. Yeah. |
| 01:56:03.13 | Thomas Theodores | . |
| 01:56:03.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:56:03.97 | Thomas Theodores | We can do that inside the park. |
| 01:56:06.23 | Ray Withy | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:56:06.25 | Thomas Theodores | Mm-hmm. Thank you. |
| 01:56:06.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:56:06.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 01:56:12.12 | Thomas Theodores | No, bicycle congestion is a critical issue, and I can't believe we're taking it off the priority list. |
| 01:56:18.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:56:19.61 | Thomas Theodores | That this particular item is not referenced that there's a whole bunch of other points that could go around that. |
| 01:56:19.67 | Unknown | Thank you. that this particular |
| 01:56:26.18 | Ray Withy | I don't think anybody disagrees with you. Okay. It just doesn't belong on the priority calendar. |
| 01:56:28.86 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. Okay, so I disagree with that. I believe bicycle congestion is a huge priority, and I will raise that as an issue. Okay, so I'll raise that. |
| 01:56:31.36 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:56:37.03 | Thomas Theodores | No one is agreeing with that. No one is agreeing that bicycles and pedestrian access and safety are important. It's just if this particular wording of this particular item is what addresses that. And I can't speak for anybody else, but the methodology for creating this committee already exists. So we need to populate it and give it a charge if we so choose. |
| 01:56:54.65 | Ray Withy | Oh, we need to add poncho. And it already exists. And the only thing that staff could do is make a recommendation to make it not exist because, I mean, it's there. There's nothing else you can do if you want to have a bicycle committee. |
| 01:57:06.09 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, okay. I will create another priority item about bicycle congestion later on in the process. |
| 01:57:13.38 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:57:13.40 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, and there may be somebody else who wants to do the same thing. |
| 01:57:14.34 | Unknown | And there may be something |
| 01:57:19.79 | Ray Withy | Okay. I'm just going to ask. |
| 01:57:25.09 | Unknown | What's that? Thank you. |
| 01:57:26.49 | Ray Withy | Well, I have a comment on the next one, because there's two in a row that say code enforcement. And then if you go back to what's on the list on page four, we have code enforcement expanded. So we need to reconcile these three. |
| 01:57:26.51 | Unknown | Well, I have a comment on |
| 01:57:40.26 | Thomas Theodores | We need to reconcile these three. These two are mine. So and Jeremy fought me against this one last year. |
| 01:57:45.98 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Vice Mayor, can I just jump in quick? Because this is actually just a clean up. So when you look at the existing 2012-2013 priority calendar item |
| 01:57:47.65 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:57:57.17 | Adam Politzer | The item number 15 was stricken when we approved this. It just never was removed from the list. So, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF FELT LIKE WE MADE PROGRESS ON. you see new items on the proposed Um, MR. calendar. So this is really just a clean up of taking an item that was stricken last year during this process that just didn't get removed because it was already that phase of it was complete. And that's really when we made the decision to make Allison um, Thornberry, the assistant planner, to halftime to help code enforcement action. |
| 01:58:42.92 | Thomas Theodores | which you don't have now. |
| 01:58:45.69 | Adam Politzer | Well, we have. She's just out of the office on leave. No, I know, but... But the position isn't being recommended to be changed. So the temporary... |
| 01:58:54.71 | Thomas Theodores | It's just temporary. The guy from the, what group is it? M group? Is doing code enforcement as well as planning. |
| 01:59:03.57 | Adam Politzer | I think it's a team collaborative effort between all parties in the community environment |
| 01:59:03.81 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:59:11.37 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:59:11.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:59:14.63 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Yeah, no, I'm happy to remove it. I don't have a problem. |
| 01:59:19.20 | Ray Withy | I would favor a moody court enforcement ordinance. Bye. I don't. Opposed? |
| 01:59:37.14 | Thomas Theodores | Has it been completed? |
| 01:59:39.41 | Thomas Theodores | Well, it didn't make it on the list last year. It, it, I think what you're saying, Debbie, is that this didn't make it above the line, but you had it above the line. |
| 01:59:49.17 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, well, no, I think it's just day on. |
| 01:59:53.17 | Thomas Theodores | Is that what you're saying? Can I respond, Mr. Yes. |
| 01:59:53.84 | Mary Wagner | Can I respond, Mr. Vice Mayor? Mr. Mayor, Council Member Feiber, we have an administrative code enforcement portion of the municipal code. So the regulations, |
| 01:59:57.22 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, sure. |
| 01:59:57.99 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 02:00:00.74 | Unknown | of the government. |
| 02:00:05.69 | Mary Wagner | are in existence. |
| 02:00:08.80 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, what was lacking was that we weren't able to do any enforcement. Just waiting on the staff. |
| 02:00:15.11 | Thomas Theodores | So now we have staff and it's being enforced. |
| 02:00:21.52 | Adam Politzer | You kidding? The next item was considering if we should make it a full-time position and staff |
| 02:00:25.72 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, that's right. |
| 02:00:25.92 | Craig Severance | So staff in a little. |
| 02:00:30.44 | Adam Politzer | recommend it against that. but in the budgeting process when you're reviewing the staffing level, you can reconsider that at the Staffing Room At this point, we think that the program is working at the current staffing level. but if the council wants to make this a higher priority, and dedicate additional funds to make it full-time. that can happen during the budget process. But we don't believe in the priority calendar process that it's necessary. |
| 02:00:52.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:00:57.40 | Ray Withy | And as a point of clarification, again, it is |
| 02:00:57.66 | Adam Politzer | And you know, |
| 02:01:00.79 | Ray Withy | the code enforcement program expand. is on the projects, so we already have it on there. We shouldn't have it on twice, so we should take it off here and we have it in another place. |
| 02:01:14.84 | Thomas Theodores | Where is that? I'm not saying you're wrong. |
| 02:01:15.62 | Ray Withy | I'm not saying you're wrong. Council and staff projects look on page 4. about five things down, it says, Thank you. |
| 02:01:23.20 | Thomas Theodores | Code Enforcement Program. |
| 02:01:24.02 | Ray Withy | expand at this present, this is budgeted as halftime position? |
| 02:01:28.49 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, that's the one I'm looking for. Okay. That's the one I'm looking for. |
| 02:01:30.94 | Ray Withy | That's correct. So we... It's in two places. See this? Yeah, so I recommend that you remove that one. That's the same. It's stupid. So that's on there. So we shouldn't have it in two places. We should take the second one off and then we can deal with one of them. Well, it seems like Adam Kuhn... |
| 02:01:37.37 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, so I recommend that you remove that one. That's the same. It's duplicated. |
| 02:01:47.82 | Thomas Theodores | Well, it seems like, Adam, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the one on page four talks about budgeting as a halftime position, whereas the one for recommendations for removal on page five, Um, talks about staffing level and budget considerations. So that's more open-ended, right? |
| 02:02:07.88 | Adam Politzer | No, I think they're both the same item. They just came. They just got missed. It should have been pulled off. I didn't pull it off. |
| 02:02:08.47 | Thomas Theodores | I think Same idea. They just got missed. |
| 02:02:14.75 | Ray Withy | you |
| 02:02:15.26 | Thomas Theodores | Right. |
| 02:02:19.04 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, so because I'm personally unhappy with the current code enforcement. I've had feedback from residents regarding it's all about the squeaky wheel. So, but we have a code enforcement ordinance on the books right now. No. |
| 02:02:36.11 | Thomas Theodores | No, I mean, there are methods in the ordinance to enforce itself. |
| 02:02:40.72 | Thomas Theodores | Do we have a code enforcement ordinance? |
| 02:02:42.43 | Mary Wagner | We enacted administrative code enforcement to add another tool to the city's code enforcement ability so that it wasn't just court-driven code enforcement, so that there is a process in place. It's the process that Allison's been working on and other planners are picking up. |
| 02:02:54.54 | Unknown | I didn't know. |
| 02:03:00.58 | Thomas Theodores | and other planners are picking up. Describe what the old situation, what the problem was and why we did that. And it's sort of what I was trying to get at with the court enforcement language that you removed, was before we had to take somebody to court |
| 02:03:12.85 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, we established an administrative process to allow staff to issue the citations for violations of the municipal code instead of having to go for judicial enforcement every time. It's in addition to judicial enforcement, not as it's not in place, doesn't replace it. And it, |
| 02:03:29.88 | Thomas Theodores | And I know you're saying it's administrative, but is it a code enforcement ordinance that is implemented administratively? It is in my mind. |
| 02:03:36.74 | Mary Wagner | It is in my mind, Councilmember Freifer, yes. We use it to enforce the provisions of the municipal code. |
| 02:03:38.70 | Thomas Theodores | how we use it. |
| 02:03:42.85 | Thomas Theodores | Right, which includes other things than just code enforcement. See, before... |
| 02:03:47.16 | Mary Wagner | If there are violations, that's the process that we use. |
| 02:03:49.86 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. Before, it made it too expensive to do a lot of, you know, is just |
| 02:03:55.38 | Thomas Theodores | No, I understand the part about the court versus administrative. I get that. I just want a straight answer about the code. |
| 02:03:57.43 | Thomas Theodores | Right. I just wanted a straight answer about the code enforcement ordinance. And this flows through into that same, to take that same remedy. |
| 02:04:01.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:04:01.55 | Thomas Theodores | So, |
| 02:04:01.64 | Unknown | of course. |
| 02:04:01.96 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:04:02.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:04:02.12 | Thomas Theodores | I know. Okay, now I understand that. Okay, so... |
| 02:04:09.57 | Thomas Theodores | But so the ordinance, I would say, leave out. But I think why don't we leave this? It sounds like staff has some suggestions for this, so why don't we leave that in your staff presentation part and take it off of it. Yeah. Okay. But it says, |
| 02:04:27.00 | Thomas Theodores | The next bullet says Code Enforcement Program. |
| 02:04:28.33 | Unknown | enforcement program. |
| 02:04:29.92 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:04:30.44 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:04:31.03 | Thomas Theodores | That's interesting. |
| 02:04:33.38 | Adam Politzer | I think that Councilmember Theodorus pointed out that it's both on the remove list and proposed list is just different wording. I'm telling you that that I made a mistake and it was duplicated and they should both be Remove. during the budget process if the Council believes that we should have more staff, time committed to enforcement, then they can address that during the budget process. It is important to state that it's not just the squeaky wheel that gets the oil. Allison is out there as Jeremy Graves is out there, as our Public Works Department is out there as they see violations. They bring those to Allison's attention and then we take action. |
| 02:05:03.69 | Unknown | It's not just a squeaky wheel that |
| 02:05:05.51 | Craig Severance | Thank you. as. as I've been here. violations. |
| 02:05:18.25 | Thomas Theodores | So Adam, which one of these are you proposing to remove? Is it 33 and... |
| 02:05:20.56 | Adam Politzer | to go. 33. 33 and then the fourth bullet point, code enforcement program staffing level. |
| 02:05:30.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:05:30.77 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:05:30.92 | Ray Withy | Have them list both of us, there's going to be three. In both places. |
| 02:05:34.89 | Unknown | Yeah, who wants this one, this one. |
| 02:05:40.35 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, okay. All right. Thank you. |
| 02:05:42.53 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right. |
| 02:05:46.21 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:05:47.04 | Ray Withy | We get three teams. |
| 02:05:47.97 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, well, that's why, yeah. |
| 02:05:48.15 | Unknown | Yeah, well, that's why. Well, yeah. |
| 02:05:50.87 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. So you need to vote if there's any case. |
| 02:05:53.74 | Ray Withy | Okay, let's, yeah, we voted on that. Let's vote on that. What do you take? We're in favor of taking off the code enforcement ordinance. Is that like where we're going first? Well, you already did that one. Everyone voted. |
| 02:06:04.27 | Adam Politzer | You already did that one. |
| 02:06:05.60 | Thomas Theodores | Everyone voted, I did not vote, and I will vote yes. based on what city staff is telling me that we have |
| 02:06:13.45 | Ray Withy | Okay, so then we're all in favor of the court enforcement program staffing level budget consideration number 33. Is that correct? |
| 02:06:20.57 | Thomas Theodores | No, I thought 33 was different, with respect to staffing. Yeah, I think the mayor is moving to the next. |
| 02:06:24.84 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:06:24.87 | Adam Politzer | to staffing. I think the mayor is moving to the next item. Yeah, because I'm looking at my paper. |
| 02:06:29.29 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, because I'm looking at my paper, it has a next item that says code enforcement staffing level. |
| 02:06:34.39 | Adam Politzer | Right, so the mayor is asking if there's consensus to remove that. Thank you. |
| 02:06:38.68 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I would keep that personally. |
| 02:06:38.69 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I would keep that. Thank you. So we need a vote. I move to remove. |
| 02:06:45.04 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:06:47.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:06:47.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:06:47.65 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:06:47.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:06:47.84 | Ray Withy | Well, no, I think there still needs to be some clarification. Thank you. An item that's labeled 33, which must have been the prioritization last time, is on both lists. You can't have it on both lists. Therefore, we're just taking it clean. This is an administrative cleanup. |
| 02:07:07.97 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:07:07.99 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:07:08.04 | Adam Politzer | Right. |
| 02:07:08.78 | Thomas Theodores | I'm with you. Thank you. |
| 02:07:09.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:07:09.79 | Ray Withy | you |
| 02:07:09.84 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. We're removing it from the list. That's right. And it's on both lists, you are correct. |
| 02:07:12.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:07:12.73 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 02:07:12.80 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:07:12.88 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:07:14.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:07:14.26 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:07:16.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:07:16.37 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 02:07:16.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:07:17.91 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:07:18.75 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Aye. |
| 02:07:18.77 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. |
| 02:07:20.20 | Thomas Theodores | I. |
| 02:07:20.41 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:07:20.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:07:21.86 | Thomas Theodores | No. |
| 02:07:22.09 | Ray Withy | you Okay, next, downtown transit hub and traffic circulation master plan. Somebody in place? |
| 02:07:31.38 | Adam Politzer | Well, no, it's not in place. It was a request from the public, specifically Michael Rex and Peter Van Meter and maybe even the BAC. I'm not quite sure how it all came forward, but we are recommending that that be taken off, I think we are currently addressing the improvements in the downtown area based on construction that's taking place including The downtown restroom and the sidewalk improvements on Bay and Anchor. And we have had council discussion on Humboldt and we obviously have a |
| 02:07:59.12 | Craig Severance | I'm going to... |
| 02:08:02.49 | Adam Politzer | plan in our near future to come forward to Council on what's going to happen. in Lots 1, 2, and 3. with the $4.2 million that we've received from the Golden Gate Ferry. So we don't believe that we need a |
| 02:08:16.18 | Craig Severance | So... Thank you. |
| 02:08:17.33 | Thomas Theodores | No. |
| 02:08:17.56 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 02:08:19.67 | Adam Politzer | master plan for the downtown transit hub. and traffic circulation. |
| 02:08:26.08 | Thomas Theodores | I think his point, and I'm trying to remember what Peter said, not so much Michael, but is that you have unity between these various projects. |
| 02:08:31.28 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:08:31.31 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:08:35.75 | Thomas Theodores | the sidewalk at Bank of America back there where the buses are. and the striping and the ferry project. So maybe we can, just to make sure, is the ferry project called out anywhere in here, ferry landing project called out anywhere in here? Because that's going to take more than 40 hours just to add time. |
| 02:08:54.67 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, we believe that will be addressed as a capital project in the capital project schedule which is which is consistent with the budgeting process if it was something that was not going to be in that process in the capital schedule, which it already is identified in, which will be discussed. |
| 02:09:11.31 | Thomas Theodores | beating this catching tomorrow. So how about the What street is that? Humboldt. |
| 02:09:16.42 | Adam Politzer | I'm not sure. |
| 02:09:16.62 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:09:16.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:16.96 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:09:17.23 | Unknown | Bye. So, |
| 02:09:17.81 | Thomas Theodores | Humboldt, vey, and anchor. Yeah, Bay and Anchor are done. So Humboldt, isn't there, didn't we just approve something the other night? A couple of months. We gave. |
| 02:09:21.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:21.13 | Adam Politzer | Oh. |
| 02:09:26.31 | Adam Politzer | We gave direction, we didn't approve anything. |
| 02:09:28.12 | Thomas Theodores | Right, I mean we gave directions, so isn't that going to require more than 40 hours of staff time and or? |
| 02:09:32.81 | Adam Politzer | It's already part of the sewer project. It's already a capital project. It's not outside of the normal day-to-day schedule. |
| 02:09:37.92 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. And how about the striping and that's going to be part of the ferry project, right? Plots one and two. And circulation. Okay. |
| 02:09:44.28 | Adam Politzer | Right. |
| 02:09:48.27 | Thomas Theodores | So, yeah, and I know the history of this, too, and initially it was just the downtown master plan. And the idea, because Councilmember Carolyn Ford had wanted to see this move forward as well, because there was a concern, and frankly I've seen it, where we are getting things piecemeal. Like at the last council session, we approved something that would remove four parking spaces in the heart of downtown for accommodation of the tourist buses. This, tonight we're hearing a presentation on proposals for blocking Tracy Way. I mean, these were the concerns that, Projects would come before the Council in a piecemeal sort of way. and to step back and to look at the whole thing and to say, what is being proposed, and that was the intent. |
| 02:10:41.83 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I'd say we leave it on here. We can vote on it. Let's be mine. Just leave it on here. We can vote on it. It's part of the ranking process. Because there's a good point there. And whether you agree or disagree, we should rank it. Can I make a suggestion? |
| 02:10:51.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:10:52.04 | Unknown | I'm not pregnant. |
| 02:10:52.46 | Ray Withy | Can I make a suggestion? Just so you know, we have less cars coming into South Carolina. No, I hear you. I hear you. Because they're coming in by bus and ferry. So you've got to accommodate those transportations. |
| 02:10:54.16 | Unknown | you |
| 02:10:56.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:10:56.34 | Unknown | No, I hear you. |
| 02:11:04.64 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Bye. |
| 02:11:05.22 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:11:05.64 | Ray Withy | Since the pace of just getting rid of these... |
| 02:11:07.38 | Ray Withy | The President. |
| 02:11:08.98 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:11:09.13 | Ray Withy | you |
| 02:11:09.47 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:11:09.53 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:11:09.89 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:11:10.26 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:11:10.28 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:11:10.31 | Ray Withy | Thank you. May I make a suggestion that possibly we stop going through right now what we're going to take off? It goes through what the positive process and then maybe at the end of the process, We take a vote on things that are get virtually no support and take them off because we spent a lot of time on things that, you know, if they just end up at the bottom of the list, it really doesn't matter. I think we're focusing on spending a lot of time and not on the positive things. Yeah, well, hopefully some of these |
| 02:11:38.19 | Thomas Theodores | We're going to spend this evening just taking things off. Well, some of these are for things that the stuff that was finished, right, is that on this list? Yeah. Right. So some of them will be hopefully a little bit simpler, I hope. But maybe we need to take stock in this a half an hour. Okay. All right. |
| 02:11:47.69 | Craig Severance | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:11:47.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:11:47.88 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 02:11:51.34 | Ray Withy | Just trying to. |
| 02:11:56.67 | Ray Withy | So... |
| 02:11:56.72 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:11:57.31 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I would move that the downtown transit hub and traffic circulation master plan be removed and not be removed and remain on the list. |
| 02:12:08.09 | Ray Withy | remain Second. |
| 02:12:10.86 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:12:11.11 | Ray Withy | I'm a favor. |
| 02:12:12.02 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:12:12.28 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:12:12.29 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:12:12.80 | Thomas Theodores | Those Guardrails didn't we just do this already? That's completed. Okay, so let's take that off. Okay. |
| 02:12:19.21 | Ray Withy | for you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:12:21.98 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:12:22.03 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Okay, next, housing element? It's done, get it out of here. It's done, completed. All in favor? Aye. Leaf blowing ordinance? |
| 02:12:23.03 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. I know. Thank you. |
| 02:12:26.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:26.81 | Thomas Theodores | I'm going to go. |
| 02:12:26.98 | Unknown | of you. Thank you. |
| 02:12:29.25 | Adam Politzer | Hi. |
| 02:12:29.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:33.12 | Adam Politzer | I removed this item because it was on the sustainability commission list in past years because they didn't have it on their list this year. If it wasn't a priority of theirs, it shouldn't be a priority of ours. but council can choose differently. |
| 02:12:48.09 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Just a quick comment on that. Tiburon has a leap blowing. and they really don't enforce it because they found out people, instead of using the leaf blower, were using their hose and water and washing it down. wasting our tremendous amount of water. |
| 02:13:00.83 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:13:00.84 | Unknown | with the |
| 02:13:03.26 | Ray Withy | because they didn't want to make the noise. So they don't enforce it over there. Is that what we want to do? |
| 02:13:13.33 | Unknown | Thank you. on her movie ad or you want to key the guy to ask the question. |
| 02:13:19.69 | Thomas Theodores | I say keep it and let it fall to the bottom of the list if there is some support for it. |
| 02:13:25.50 | Unknown | Second. Yes, second. |
| 02:13:28.20 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. All right. Okay. Stays? All right. Second dwelling unit regulations amend zoning ordinances completed. That's it. Just in favor. |
| 02:13:28.87 | Unknown | . |
| 02:13:36.50 | Thomas Theodores | Is this the accessory dwelling unit? |
| 02:13:38.86 | Ray Withy | Well, favor |
| 02:13:42.68 | Thomas Theodores | How is that different from the one below it, though? |
| 02:13:42.69 | Ray Withy | That was great. |
| 02:13:46.17 | Thomas Theodores | the MSD program, are they tied together, same thing? |
| 02:13:49.83 | Thomas Theodores | I think they're different. |
| 02:13:49.90 | Thomas Theodores | I'm sorry. |
| 02:13:52.82 | Thomas Theodores | My interpretation of this was one was just getting the regulations in place, and the next bullet is actually getting the amnesty program implemented. So I guess I interpreted that wrong. |
| 02:14:09.22 | Thomas Theodores | Well, see, Debbie, that's the problem. So 28 on this list is the single-family and multifamily zones on the priority calendar. And that's number 28. And here we have a second dwelling unit regulation. So which one? Thank you. |
| 02:14:30.21 | Adam Politzer | is, |
| 02:14:30.45 | Thomas Theodores | that. |
| 02:14:30.67 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Jeremy, it's the staff person. |
| 02:14:35.04 | Unknown | him respond. |
| 02:14:35.95 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:14:37.42 | Unknown | Those two are very different items. We've completed the second the items that are being proposed to be removed, the second dwelling unit regulations, Second dwelling unit is our old term for ADUs. There was a component in our zoning ordinance that was amended back in October that stripped that out. So second dwelling unit regulations has been completed. Then the next item for proposed removal, zoning ordinance amendment accessory dwelling unit regulations, that also has been completed. So staff, please. Thank you. Those should be removed immediately. Okay. They're easy ones to remove. |
| 02:15:14.66 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:15:14.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:14.76 | Thomas Theodores | Right. |
| 02:15:14.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:15.00 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:15:15.03 | Unknown | On number 28, that is the item that the subcommittee of the Planning Commission is working on right now. Yeah, no, I know that... |
| 02:15:15.20 | Thomas Theodores | All right. |
| 02:15:21.95 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, no, I know you're still working on that, but so it's not... Which document is... Where does that show up outside the list for last year in this? |
| 02:15:35.98 | Thomas Theodores | I'm not saying it is, I just can't find it. you have too many pieces of paper running around here. Unless you printed a smart like Ray and printed it out and tried to do the little process here, it's impossible to follow this. We're looking for the priority. No, I see it there, but that's number 28. So here it's number 28. |
| 02:16:02.03 | Unknown | Look, Right. |
| 02:16:03.36 | Thomas Theodores | Right. So as long as it's not removing that, then we're cool. |
| 02:16:07.72 | Unknown | . |
| 02:16:07.80 | Unknown | to the next episode. |
| 02:16:07.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:16:07.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:16:08.04 | Unknown | that's going to be a good |
| 02:16:08.10 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:16:09.94 | Unknown | as a single family. |
| 02:16:11.29 | Ray Withy | OVER THAT. |
| 02:16:11.80 | Unknown | That's a good one. Yeah. |
| 02:16:14.20 | Ray Withy | that we are. |
| 02:16:15.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:16:15.68 | Unknown | I took the number 28 off the phone. |
| 02:16:15.73 | Thomas Theodores | No. Right, right. Okay. All right. So that comes off. I'm all for that. We did it. We're doing it. |
| 02:16:23.98 | Ray Withy | We did it. We're doing it one at a time. We're going to vote on it. |
| 02:16:27.73 | Thomas Theodores | I think those two are essentially the same thing. Absolutely both. |
| 02:16:29.91 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:16:29.94 | Ray Withy | So we'll do both. Okay. All in favor? |
| 02:16:33.03 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 02:16:33.26 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:16:33.42 | Thomas Theodores | Aye. Aye. Opposed? Opposed. OK, next, City Council Handbook. |
| 02:16:33.67 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:16:37.97 | Ray Withy | you |
| 02:16:38.02 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:16:38.09 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:16:38.60 | Thomas Theodores | If you're looking to strike your own handbook, you have to say why, Debbie. |
| 02:16:47.51 | Unknown | Because I'm on the bottom of the list year after year. |
| 02:16:49.85 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:16:51.52 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, it's a rejection you don't like. Oh, no. OK. |
| 02:16:53.13 | Unknown | Ha ha ha! |
| 02:16:54.04 | Unknown | Okay. If you. |
| 02:17:00.96 | Adam Politzer | If you want to take it off. Yeah, part of that, just in all seriousness, is that |
| 02:17:03.57 | Unknown | Yeah, part |
| 02:17:06.75 | Adam Politzer | All five council members have gone through the League of California Cities Academy The two new council members have gone through a very thorough orientation with staff. So we think at this moment in time for this year, we have higher priorities. on just regular work duties, let alone additional projects. the combination of it being ranked very low in past years. and that our council has all gone through the league academy. We felt that it was appropriate to remove it for this year. |
| 02:17:38.40 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:17:39.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:17:39.55 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:17:39.65 | Adam Politzer | But, uh... |
| 02:17:40.02 | Thomas Theodores | She has to finish it before she retires. That's another one of those things. Yes. |
| 02:17:42.49 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:17:42.50 | Unknown | Yes, I don't mind putting that in. |
| 02:17:45.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:17:45.19 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:17:45.22 | Ray Withy | Keep her here for another couple of years anyway. Okay. All right. We need to remove the handbook. 54. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Next, downtown and Caledonia Street employees and merchant offsite parking options. Explore it. Complete it. |
| 02:17:46.20 | Thomas Theodores | were here for another |
| 02:17:47.74 | Unknown | Thank you. THE FAMILY. THE FAMILY. |
| 02:18:01.96 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. House is completed. |
| 02:18:06.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:18:06.26 | Ray Withy | in fact, |
| 02:18:06.36 | Adam Politzer | The public works department and the police department have been working with the Calendonia merchants and we brought forward a recommendation that included valet parking as option to look at using our lot, especially lot four. |
| 02:18:06.99 | Ray Withy | What? |
| 02:18:07.44 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:18:07.46 | Ray Withy | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:18:23.10 | Adam Politzer | and Lot 5 for some use of valet parking. The hotels are already allowed to use Lot 3 if they staff it for valet parking, although they've never done that. and then we will be going through the regular process during the downtown. DOWNTOWN DISCUSSION. including working with the Maddens on I'm not sure. with the potential use of their lot. for either overflow parking or some other arrangement, including valet parking. So it sounds like maybe there's still |
| 02:18:59.52 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:18:59.54 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:18:59.57 | Thomas Theodores | work to do. |
| 02:19:00.30 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. I think we see this more as part of the |
| 02:19:00.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:00.70 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:19:00.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:05.16 | Adam Politzer | day-to-day operation versus having to create a new ordinance or resolution to bring to the council. We think we've addressed that part. Now it's just working on what the program's and parking is already a function of the city. |
| 02:19:22.89 | Unknown | All in favor. Aye. Yeah, I disagree. Okay, opposed. There's still work to do here. Okay. |
| 02:19:29.96 | Thomas Theodores | Japan. |
| 02:19:31.23 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:19:32.83 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 02:19:33.20 | Unknown | Yeah, I'm just... |
| 02:19:35.09 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, you can take that one. That was mine. You can take it off first. Thank you. |
| 02:19:38.35 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:19:38.52 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:19:38.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:19:38.59 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:19:38.69 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:19:38.81 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:19:38.91 | Ray Withy | I did. |
| 02:19:39.31 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:19:39.60 | Ray Withy | Emergency Wi-Fi. Yes, he did. |
| 02:19:40.14 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:19:40.24 | Thomas Theodores | I'm excited. |
| 02:19:40.63 | Unknown | to see. |
| 02:19:40.95 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:19:43.01 | Thomas Theodores | No, no, no, no. I said the next item, the emergency Wi-Fi. |
| 02:19:47.21 | Ray Withy | We should get regular wifi. Thank you. |
| 02:19:50.62 | Ray Withy | Right. Downtown nothing works. OK. Donald favor? Aye. |
| 02:19:51.40 | Ray Withy | Nothing works. Thank you. |
| 02:19:56.63 | Ray Withy | Okay, next, 51. You're in cold. |
| 02:19:59.97 | Ray Withy | update. |
| 02:20:00.44 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:20:00.91 | Ray Withy | Is that what we have on the calendar? coming up. Probably. |
| 02:20:06.97 | Unknown | That's removed because |
| 02:20:07.88 | Ray Withy | It's going to be on next year. It won't be. It should be done tonight. |
| 02:20:07.92 | Unknown | It's going to be... |
| 02:20:12.08 | Thomas Theodores | Some of it. Some of it. |
| 02:20:13.60 | Ray Withy | Absolutely. |
| 02:20:14.83 | Thomas Theodores | I think they're ahead of themselves, frankly. Thank you. |
| 02:20:18.67 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:20:18.70 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:20:18.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:20:18.78 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:20:18.82 | Ray Withy | I think. Thank you. |
| 02:20:20.20 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 02:20:20.96 | Ray Withy | All in favor? |
| 02:20:22.16 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:20:22.17 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:20:22.19 | Thomas Theodores | Now the pressure's on. |
| 02:20:23.63 | Ray Withy | Aye. Okay, next. Pension studies and other post-employment benefits analysis. It says here completed. |
| 02:20:33.08 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, so since I put this up here, I will comment on that. I think that the studies on pension and OPEB analysis is an ongoing priority for this council and for residents. We have GASB 68 that is coming up as an example and other legislation ongoing. And I think it's important that we have five-year projections on this and that we start implementing GASB 68 now. |
| 02:21:08.92 | Ray Withy | I agree we should keep it on the list. I'm not saying. where it's going to come out, uh, on the priority list, but I would say keep it on the list for now. |
| 02:21:16.26 | Adam Politzer | I think staff would recommend that you clarify what it is that you would like to have studied. I think this position that staff has taken and Charlie Francis is here if you have specific questions of him. was that we created of support of the Governor's plan. We, Council took action on that. We created a second tier. Council took action on that. We eliminated OPEB for new employees, and we did a variety of other significant steps in addressing THE PENSION LIABILITY, INCLUDING PAYING OFF the miscellaneous side fund and the fire and recommendations through this next budget on continuing that effort. So if there is something specific that you would like to be studied, then we would want that called out. |
| 02:22:08.54 | Thomas Theodores | GASB 68, Financial Reporting Standards, |
| 02:22:11.98 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, so when we get to the adding items, we can address that. |
| 02:22:15.64 | Thomas Theodores | Well, we didn't specify Governor Brown's pension reform or second tier in this wording, so I don't see why we would |
| 02:22:24.42 | Adam Politzer | We're just talking about removing items now so we're saying that this item was complete, if there is a new item, you're saying that it's ongoing, so we're saying the next phase of pension study should be So it would be a new item. |
| 02:22:37.11 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. I'm fine with being specific. My point is that this is not specific. In other words, you're telling us that it represented X, Y, and Z, but this doesn't say implement second tier. Thank you. |
| 02:22:49.29 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. I'm referring to the staff report that Council approved and adopted during the pension study and budget discussion. |
| 02:22:49.31 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Yeah. I'm a |
| 02:22:58.88 | Thomas Theodores | Those were presented in different phases, like based on negotiations. We covered the second tier based on |
| 02:23:09.25 | Thomas Theodores | that we've seen before. This is so general, it's kind of hard to say. So, Thank you. Thank you. I'm sure we'll have to comply with the standard card or the standard of our employees. |
| 02:23:19.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:20.39 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:23:20.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:20.44 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:23:20.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:20.76 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:23:20.81 | Unknown | Just a quick comment. Staff did present to the City Council report on GASB 68 and the implications and effects it would have on the City |
| 02:23:32.10 | Thomas Theodores | So, Charlie, are you incorporating GASP-68 into the balance sheet now as a liability as opposed to being just an unfended pension obligation? That's in 2014 that it kicks in. |
| 02:23:41.81 | Unknown | being just an unfended pension obligation? Correct. For fiscal years beginning after June 15, 2014. And we're working with CalPERS to use their data to be in conformity with general accepted accounting principles as propagated by GASB. And I've reported to the city council already what impacts that would have on the city's financial statements. So we have no impacts on the city's contribution rates. |
| 02:24:04.70 | Thomas Theodores | I- So we're still here. |
| 02:24:06.33 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:24:08.59 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you, Charlie, and I have your PowerPoint slide presentation on that topic, and what you did is you presented, you know, what it was. What I'm suggesting is implementing it, because right now it kicks in in 2014, and I'm saying let's implement it as part of the budget so we see it on the balance sheet per the legislation. |
| 02:24:26.59 | Unknown | the legislature. implementation of GASB 68 will occur annually in the annual financial statements as promulgated by General Accepted Accounting Principles that if we don't, we won't receive our an unqualified audit opinion. It has no impact at all on cities' revenues and expenses and is not an item that normally, if ever, would be required in a budget bill. |
| 02:24:54.35 | Thomas Theodores | Well, it has no impact, but other than to educate residents as to another interpretation of the liability amount based on different assumptions of the discount rate. Absolutely. |
| 02:25:07.02 | Unknown | So, |
| 02:25:07.67 | Thomas Theodores | Now, what I'm saying is that it should be implemented sooner than waiting until next year. |
| 02:25:13.24 | Unknown | It's impossible to implement sooner as I presented in the report because CalPERS has to give us the information to implement. And we'll have to contract with CalPERS to get that information and it won't be ready until the 2013 actuarial report is finished. |
| 02:25:32.15 | Thomas Theodores | And what I'm saying is it's my understanding that in order to make sure that it's my understanding that we can move forward before Um, I guess it's legally required to implement it. That's all I'm saying. And I just want to make sure that That's what I'm talking about. |
| 02:25:49.80 | Unknown | Thank you. If CalPERS could provide the information, we could do it earlier. CalPERS is not providing information to the cities until the GASB implementation date, so we couldn't do it sooner. |
| 02:26:01.09 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, so I will investigate that and come back with a very specific request. |
| 02:26:16.87 | Thomas Theodores | There is definitely more we can be doing. |
| 02:26:16.92 | Ray Withy | There is definitely... |
| 02:26:17.38 | Craig Severance | Definitely. |
| 02:26:21.24 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 02:26:22.37 | Thomas Theodores | Aye. No. |
| 02:26:24.85 | Ray Withy | Welcome. America's Cup evaluate impacts, opportunities, and planning What's the story? Well, we keep on. It's a moving target. Every few months, they're changing courses of what it's going to be. And right now, they've attempted to take it on the San Francisco side so much that it's |
| 02:26:46.99 | Unknown | Yes, sir. |
| 02:26:47.95 | Ray Withy | No, unless you put people walking on some. |
| 02:26:49.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:26:49.08 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:26:49.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:26:49.20 | Adam Politzer | If I can comment on this. Bye. |
| 02:26:52.00 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:26:52.04 | Adam Politzer | If I can comment on this item, I think that pre-America Cup this past summer, there was a lot of fear and concern that we were going to have floods of people a major impact not just here in Sausalito but all of Southern Marin. And so there was a variety of committees established Um, at the county level as well as the local level. had the experience of the first round of the America Cup races. We put in some rules and regulations in terms of vacation rentals. So we really don't, other than the event planning, which is part of the recreation department, and Chamber of Commerce partnership. We really don't think it's a priority calendar anymore. We don't see the same threats that we thought were coming with gridlock and thousands of people lining our streets and we're no longer proposing any major events that potentially could close Bridgeway, which was one of the concepts that was floated by at one point. |
| 02:27:55.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:59.17 | Adam Politzer | If something were to change, we would bring that back to Council for consideration, but at this time we think that The event will be limited, just as we saw in the marina area of San Francisco, where once you moved two or three blocks away, you didn't know the event was going on And that was similar to our experience when the chief and the delegation of folks went down to San Diego prior to the race to see what the There's the Cup Series, whatever the event was called, which was also a precursor to the race, and that was their experience. Once you left, the immediate area of the race, it was normal day-to-day business. So at this point, we don't think it's a threat that it was once posed, and that's why it was on the list last year. |
| 02:28:45.96 | Thomas Theodores | But at this time, we're not... planning, organizing any events in whatever it is, August or October? |
| 02:28:53.33 | Adam Politzer | Not at this point, although the Park and Rec Department and the Chamber of Commerce may come through. Okay. At this point, we... |
| 02:28:55.95 | Thomas Theodores | No, I'm just... Okay, at this point we don't have any plans. |
| 02:29:00.71 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. I have any plans. There's nothing yet planned. |
| 02:29:01.42 | Unknown | is, you know, the |
| 02:29:03.56 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:29:03.58 | Adam Politzer | Okay. But still some considerations. |
| 02:29:03.59 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 02:29:03.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:29:04.00 | Ray Withy | Thank you. All in favor? Moving this? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, next item is Community Garden. Explore location programs and operations. |
| 02:29:14.06 | Adam Politzer | that Yeah, the community garden came forward last year and was below the line in the previous years. Staff wanted to work with the organizers, so we asked Council to move it above the line so that we can meet with them. staff met with them. shared some ideas. and they were charged to come back both at the staff level and then eventually to the council to put forward a proposal. That meeting happened over, you know, almost a year ago now. And there's been no action since then. They haven't come back with a proposal nor have they asked to come back before the council so we're asking that that item now be removed. and there was no request from that group. either tonight or prior to this to, to ask for this item to continue. King. |
| 02:30:06.98 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. I'd leave it in there. Then you can vote it. Let it fall over. I'd leave it in. |
| 02:30:12.80 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I would agree with that. Okay. All in favor of leaving it in? |
| 02:30:16.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:16.63 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:30:16.68 | Unknown | Thank you. Bye. |
| 02:30:17.66 | Ray Withy | Aye. Opposed? Okay, that's your list. |
| 02:30:22.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:22.06 | Thomas Theodores | We got rid of some. Yeah. It's good. |
| 02:30:23.82 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:30:27.41 | Thomas Theodores | Life is good, Harry. |
| 02:30:28.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:28.27 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:30:28.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:28.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:28.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:28.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:28.54 | Ray Withy | It's getting better. |
| 02:30:28.56 | Unknown | It's getting better. |
| 02:30:30.38 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:30:30.50 | Ray Withy | you |
| 02:30:30.55 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:30:30.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:30:30.81 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 02:30:30.84 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:30:30.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:30.87 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:30:30.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:30:32.80 | Ray Withy | Okay, can we move off of the clock now? |
| 02:30:36.42 | Thomas Theodores | I know you've got all the staff ones. Or ours. Which order do you want to take them? These committees or staff or... |
| 02:30:41.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:30:41.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:41.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:45.03 | Ray Withy | Any recommendations? What direction? |
| 02:30:45.92 | Thomas Theodores | with the |
| 02:30:46.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:46.95 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:30:50.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:50.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:50.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:52.07 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:30:52.12 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 02:30:52.17 | Ray Withy | Yeah, in other words, |
| 02:30:53.05 | Adam Politzer | Just go through if you have questions. You can ask staff if you want them to clarify where they |
| 02:30:53.11 | Ray Withy | to scope. |
| 02:30:53.98 | Unknown | if you |
| 02:30:54.30 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:30:54.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:54.33 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:30:54.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:57.89 | Thomas Theodores | They're waiting for us to ask some questions. OK. Is that OK with you? That's fine. |
| 02:31:00.02 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:31:00.03 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:31:00.59 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 02:31:00.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:01.01 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:31:01.03 | Unknown | That's fine. Thank you. |
| 02:31:01.65 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. The department has an |
| 02:31:03.27 | Unknown | Okay. to watch that on which one? |
| 02:31:09.64 | Unknown | Why don't we just start at the beginning? Yes, sir. The city ordinance. |
| 02:31:12.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:12.88 | Adam Politzer | Okay, all right. So you can start from the alphabetical list here, and we can just walk down. |
| 02:31:12.89 | Unknown | Okay, all right. |
| 02:31:14.83 | Unknown | I said. |
| 02:31:15.39 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:31:15.90 | Thomas Theodores | in the alphabetical list. You have all these ones that have come from committees. |
| 02:31:23.61 | Ray Withy | Okay, sorry. This is different than that one. |
| 02:31:26.00 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:31:26.05 | Thomas Theodores | I have one question. We've had a couple residents tonight talk and propose a couple of items. And I'm wondering if we could decide on those items now so that they could potentially go home earlier than we will. |
| 02:31:45.24 | Unknown | I'm sure. |
| 02:31:46.66 | Thomas Theodores | And the two items were the Age Friendly Initiative and the Ice House Plaza. |
| 02:31:55.65 | Unknown | the age one, I bet she's already gone there. OK. |
| 02:31:59.32 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 02:31:59.36 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:32:00.14 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:32:00.65 | Unknown | I'm going to go to those. |
| 02:32:03.09 | Ray Withy | Well, I want to do the ones that are the people that are here, so we can move them along. And what's the other one? |
| 02:32:03.15 | Unknown | I |
| 02:32:08.61 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:32:08.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:10.79 | Thomas Theodores | The Ice House Plaza. |
| 02:32:14.17 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:32:14.28 | Unknown | Jesus. |
| 02:32:14.60 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:32:14.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:15.01 | Thomas Theodores | and |
| 02:32:18.00 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:32:18.35 | Thomas Theodores | Well, also I'm thinking about we also, yeah, okay. Because she's here. That was my intention. |
| 02:32:21.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:22.03 | Thomas Theodores | She's here. I was fine too. If it's going to take more than 40 hours, we should put it on the phone. |
| 02:32:30.84 | Thomas Theodores | I move to put the Ice House Plaza on the priority list. |
| 02:32:30.85 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:32:35.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:35.31 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:32:35.33 | Unknown | Adam in the field will take more than 40 hours. |
| 02:32:39.39 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:32:39.41 | Adam Politzer | You know, we haven't received an update on that for a while. You know, I know that they got approval from the council and the committee, the foundation's been working and I know that Paul Leffenwelle was a major part of that and I think he had some health issues there for a while. There's been a gap in activity. The city is willing and able to work with these folks, but at this moment in time, until something else comes forward. It's all on their shoulders. The whole project's on their shoulders. They would have to go through the regular process like any applicant would do for any Um, improvement there, some of that can be handled at the counter, some of it may be required to go to the Planning Commission But that's more of an applicant process versus THE CITY. being the applicant. You know, this is the foundation's the applicant. The city is just helping them through the process. Right, so let's get the question there. |
| 02:33:37.53 | Thomas Theodores | I can't remember what we had recently, but besides the... This is a weird... Nothing's weird about the Ice House Plaza, but it's a weird scenario to have private individuals be the applicant for things on city property, like the field house that was an MLK, and there was one more recently that we had, |
| 02:34:00.49 | Thomas Theodores | but was the, I can't remember who was the applicant, if there ever was an applicant there. The city took over the applicant, I think. |
| 02:34:02.45 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 02:34:07.38 | Unknown | Yeah, that was a line that we called. Right. |
| 02:34:09.79 | Thomas Theodores | Right, so I think it would be better if the ice house, if the foundation and the city could eventually become co-applicants so that way it's not, and that'll take staff time. Not that it, as a preference to the foundation, but as Like I just thought that process was super weird when I was on the planning commission and that field house came through and it was a bunch of private individuals or the Lions or the Rotary or whatever it was. It was just weird to have, it didn't seem right that somebody else could come in and propose a project on city property and be an applicant. |
| 02:34:40.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:34:40.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:34:44.54 | Thomas Theodores | That's strange. It's one thing for the city to partner with someone to do something like that. Like we just did these plaques in a sense, right? |
| 02:34:51.46 | Adam Politzer | So I think the model that maybe you're looking at is Cass Kiddly. And that's on the priority calendar where we're working with them and that's taking staff time |
| 02:34:55.81 | Thomas Theodores | like. |
| 02:35:01.89 | Adam Politzer | to meet with them and work through the process. |
| 02:35:02.63 | Thomas Theodores | them. Yeah, so that way before it gets here, the staff has really had a chance to work with the applicants. So anyway, I would put it on the list. |
| 02:35:11.27 | Unknown | So anyway. Okay, all in favor. |
| 02:35:16.26 | Thomas Theodores | I... |
| 02:35:16.43 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:35:16.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:35:16.55 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:35:17.04 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:35:19.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:35:19.57 | Thomas Theodores | And I would put... |
| 02:35:19.64 | Unknown | So it was in. |
| 02:35:25.06 | Thomas Theodores | Betsy's on there too. Just because she went home doesn't mean... Yeah. I moved... |
| 02:35:27.75 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I moved. Put that on the list too, Adam, on the village. |
| 02:35:35.09 | Thomas Theodores | The Age Friendly Initiative. |
| 02:35:35.11 | Ray Withy | That's a good idea. Thank you. |
| 02:35:37.41 | Thomas Theodores | Right. And I'm all for Peter's, frankly. I'm ready to put the showers on there, man. I call it waterfront facilities. We've dodged this for a long time. |
| 02:35:47.01 | Thomas Theodores | Let's vote for the age initiative first. |
| 02:35:47.04 | Thomas Theodores | Let's vote. |
| 02:35:49.22 | Ray Withy | The Pressure Manninger |
| 02:35:52.51 | Thomas Theodores | The way it is working. |
| 02:35:53.89 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:35:54.13 | Thomas Theodores | to to accommodate that. Yeah, but it's the same thing. It won't be on city property. It's just like the ICE House. Well, we're talking about putting it on unincorporated |
| 02:35:55.80 | Ray Withy | Yeah, but it's the same. |
| 02:35:56.68 | Unknown | and I think that's it. |
| 02:35:56.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:35:56.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:35:59.77 | Unknown | Well, what's happening about that? Thank you. |
| 02:36:02.28 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:36:02.80 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:36:02.99 | Thomas Theodores | Well, that's good. |
| 02:36:04.17 | Unknown | you you |
| 02:36:04.86 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:36:05.45 | Thomas Theodores | So let's talk about, can we just vote on the age initiative first and then talk about the |
| 02:36:05.47 | Ray Withy | So let's talk about, can |
| 02:36:10.68 | Ray Withy | Thank you. All right. Well, anyway, on the initiative, aid friendly from the village, all in favor? Aye. OK. |
| 02:36:19.22 | Unknown | Aye. Okay. Opposed? |
| 02:36:22.24 | Ray Withy | Okay, thank you. All right, let's go down to, let's start off with the |
| 02:36:28.03 | Adam Politzer | code update. I didn't hear what the consensus was or not on the public shower facilities. No. No, I don't see where. |
| 02:36:35.41 | Unknown | No, I don't support that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:36:38.51 | Adam Politzer | This is Washington. |
| 02:36:39.31 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:36:39.52 | Unknown | Thank you. 4-1 is what you think? Yeah. |
| 02:36:42.63 | Ray Withy | Thank you. We'll look something on that. No pharmacy right now. |
| 02:36:48.32 | Thomas Theodores | You don't have the money. |
| 02:36:49.61 | Adam Politzer | Okay, Mayor, go ahead. Sorry, I don't remember what you want to pull it back. |
| 02:36:50.34 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 02:36:51.69 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:36:55.61 | Ray Withy | Okay, about building code updates, including green building regs. |
| 02:37:00.87 | Adam Politzer | We're going to go the alphabetical one up here. I think it'll be easier. So aren't you going to go through this list? When are we going to go through? |
| 02:37:04.52 | Ray Withy | He's just... |
| 02:37:04.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. list of committees. |
| 02:37:08.14 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:37:08.26 | Unknown | That's not on us. |
| 02:37:10.07 | Thomas Theodores | That's not on us. ADA plan. You may use people to go. Oh, right. Yeah, but let's go through it. Have you taken all these and these are already on? All of them are on here. |
| 02:37:13.07 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 02:37:13.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:13.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:13.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:13.58 | Peter Romanowski | Thank you. |
| 02:37:14.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:14.71 | Unknown | Yeah, let's go through it. |
| 02:37:16.18 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:37:16.28 | Unknown | MR. |
| 02:37:19.42 | Adam Politzer | Not all of them are on there. They're ones that I've had a chance to talk to staff. and we've recommended items on there. And so I would go through those first. And then, The items that didn't get recommended, you can go back through and take a look to see if you want to consider them. Okay, so you'll tell us which one of these are already in here. I will do my best. But the Planning Commission had 25, so I'm not going to put 25 items on. No, you don't have to do that one. Sustainability Commission had one, so I put it on there. |
| 02:37:38.15 | Thomas Theodores | I didn't go through it. No, you don't have to do that. The Sustainability Commission had Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:37:47.16 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 02:37:47.61 | Unknown | Okay, so let me get the list so that I can read it out. Do you have that? |
| 02:37:51.73 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:37:51.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:37:51.77 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:37:51.80 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:37:51.87 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:37:51.90 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:37:51.92 | Adam Politzer | that. |
| 02:37:51.97 | Ray Withy | the So do we have the list? MR. Do you have this document? |
| 02:37:53.88 | Unknown | you have this document? |
| 02:37:55.87 | Ray Withy | Put the alphabet on the side. |
| 02:37:57.86 | Ray Withy | Yeah, yeah, do the alphabetical, that's fine. I'm on the stuff with A.G. Rose. Okay, ADA plan phase two, implement. |
| 02:38:07.17 | Adam Politzer | You don't have that in Output of the Quarter, but you have the same items that are represented on the list. |
| 02:38:14.67 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:38:16.15 | Adam Politzer | I just figure we'll all look at the same document. |
| 02:38:16.50 | Unknown | I figure we'll all look at the same document. from the ADA plan phase two |
| 02:38:21.31 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:38:21.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:21.64 | Thomas Theodores | I do have a question real quick. I noticed that the Historical Society lists, the Historical Landmarks Board listed inventory and preservation program for city paths and stairs. I don't see that on. |
| 02:38:37.50 | Thomas Theodores | If there's a path to stairs on the old priority calendar, which we haven't removed yet. If you look at the, it's number, it is number |
| 02:38:51.64 | Thomas Theodores | I know we put it on the list. |
| 02:38:52.94 | Thomas Theodores | Number 17 on the old priority calendar. |
| 02:38:56.04 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I just didn't see it here. Right, that's right. |
| 02:38:56.06 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, is it? Right, that's why this list is, you've got to work off of one thing, and we're working off of four or five things. I agree. I can't follow you, to be honest. |
| 02:39:04.31 | Craig Severance | things. |
| 02:39:05.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:39:11.33 | Thomas Theodores | We've already taken the ones off as |
| 02:39:11.43 | Unknown | I don't know. Well, let's try to go forward with this |
| 02:39:17.03 | Ray Withy | and see where we're going. |
| 02:39:18.40 | Ray Withy | All right, let's... Point of clarification. What we're about to embark on, I believe, is these are... We're not going to try to rank these or even decide if it's on, but we're going to ask questions now, right? |
| 02:39:23.01 | Ray Withy | I don't know. |
| 02:39:26.40 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:39:30.08 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, but you can, if this, staff has recommended that these are on. So we, and many of them, other than eight of them, are existing priorities. |
| 02:39:32.63 | Craig Severance | that. |
| 02:39:42.04 | Adam Politzer | And so if there's a consensus to leave them on, then you can go through them very quickly. How they get ranked is a whole, you know, that's a different day. If there's a consensus to remove them, then you can Vote to remove. but you should go through them I... And. suggesting fairly quickly to say yes, these are items that should continue to be on the priority calendar. |
| 02:40:05.01 | Thomas Theodores | priority gallon that staff is So like the number one thing, whether you ranked it, the three of us who were here as number one last time, EPA order ongoing. Not here, not removed. Where is it? I don't know. You tell me. So it's not in the alphabetical list under EPA? Is it called |
| 02:40:26.44 | Thomas Theodores | Here is EPA order ongoing. |
| 02:40:27.10 | Unknown | PA order ongoing. Thank you. |
| 02:40:28.35 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. It's on the staff report. |
| 02:40:29.21 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:40:29.28 | Thomas Theodores | start a step. |
| 02:40:29.82 | Unknown | Sorry, it's alcohol because it's long. Okay, go ahead. |
| 02:40:30.31 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:40:32.64 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, gotcha. All right, so we'll have to be careful as we step through these. |
| 02:40:36.79 | Adam Politzer | Just start at the beginning and work our way through. If we find... We'll try that. There's no guarantee that Ray has already found there was an item that didn't make the list. That's part of helping to clean this up. That's why it's called step one. |
| 02:40:37.16 | Unknown | at the If we find it. |
| 02:40:40.70 | Thomas Theodores | All right, dude. |
| 02:40:51.18 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 02:40:51.82 | Unknown | Okay, step one, ADA plan. |
| 02:40:52.13 | Adam Politzer | Definitely. Thank you. |
| 02:40:54.30 | Thomas Theodores | Go in step five and be done with it. That was a good answer. |
| 02:40:57.32 | Unknown | That was a good answer. |
| 02:40:58.98 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:40:59.01 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:40:59.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:40:59.45 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 02:40:59.62 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 02:41:01.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:01.32 | Unknown | We're going to go yes on ADA plans. |
| 02:41:04.80 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:41:05.20 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:41:05.86 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. All these items staff is recommending, so unless there's council |
| 02:41:10.08 | Unknown | wants either |
| 02:41:10.10 | Adam Politzer | Once either questions as Councilmember Theodore pointed out, if there's a question, staff can comment on it. Thank you. If there isn't, then move on. Okay. |
| 02:41:20.24 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:41:20.27 | Adam Politzer | Long favor. |
| 02:41:21.03 | Ray Withy | of the radio plan. |
| 02:41:23.01 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:41:23.02 | Ray Withy | Aye. All right. Opposed? All right. Adopt building code update, including green building regs in progress. |
| 02:41:23.41 | Adam Politzer | All right. |
| 02:41:30.26 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:41:30.28 | Thomas Theodores | Aye. Is this in the staff report, this list? |
| 02:41:34.92 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 02:41:35.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:36.08 | Thomas Theodores | but it's still an alphabet. Oh, okay. |
| 02:41:39.48 | Ray Withy | It's listed. Asset report and funding for storm drains, street lights, sidewalk streets, moorage and water access piers and bulkheads. Yes, yes, yes. Ridgway to Ferris. |
| 02:41:39.93 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:41:39.97 | Unknown | to the |
| 02:41:40.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:40.05 | Unknown | And as |
| 02:41:40.66 | Unknown | that, |
| 02:41:40.88 | Unknown | Oh, okay. JUST. I'm going to go. Thank you. |
| 02:41:47.29 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 02:41:47.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:47.32 | Thomas Theodores | water access. |
| 02:41:48.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:52.94 | Thomas Theodores | Wait, wait, wait, wait. So this one is like a whole, what are we talking about here? Is this doing a list of assets and then otherwise I'd break it up into its components. |
| 02:41:57.33 | Ray Withy | Is this still a good thing? |
| 02:41:57.79 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:41:57.80 | Ray Withy | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:41:59.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:59.73 | Thomas Theodores | Um... |
| 02:42:00.30 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:42:00.32 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 02:42:02.83 | Thomas Theodores | You know what I mean? Because is this just saying we're going to do an inventory? |
| 02:42:04.54 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 02:42:06.34 | Thomas Theodores | or |
| 02:42:07.64 | Thomas Theodores | The water access one I'm not clear on. |
| 02:42:10.70 | Thomas Theodores | I think it's a good idea. |
| 02:42:11.52 | Adam Politzer | And... |
| 02:42:11.52 | Thomas Theodores | Everything else I completely think is a key. Of what's the end goal? |
| 02:42:11.71 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:42:13.51 | Adam Politzer | Of what hand goal? And this was on the last year's priority calendar as number 13 and it's worded the same way. Sorry, not 13, 7. Sooner or later it always comes down to money. |
| 02:42:27.84 | Thomas Theodores | No, I know. But do you… You've been telling me that. Is it more productive to maybe split this into different subcategories because you're |
| 02:42:29.61 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:42:29.65 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:42:29.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:42:29.97 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm sorry. |
| 02:42:30.05 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:42:30.07 | Jonathon Goldman | Bye. |
| 02:42:30.12 | Unknown | I'm sorry. Bye. |
| 02:42:40.26 | Thomas Theodores | It sounds like you have to do an inventory and then find funding sources to sort of schedule their replacements. |
| 02:42:40.30 | Unknown | you So, |
| 02:42:45.68 | Ray Withy | Yeah, but it should be a lot of wages going on to, basically, is to leave these on. So if there's any that you want to take off, that's... Well... I don't see many that you're going to end up taking off, so... |
| 02:42:54.79 | Thomas Theodores | Well, |
| 02:42:59.19 | Thomas Theodores | I see Councilman Merleon's point, whereas we are grouping a lot of things there. Perhaps we could say, Perhaps we could take the water related infrastructure items and put those together. and then have the storm drain sidewalk streets |
| 02:43:18.79 | Thomas Theodores | Well, how would this be accomplished, this money story, if you put it as a goal? |
| 02:43:21.74 | Thomas Theodores | Grant, grants, searching for grants. |
| 02:43:26.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:26.08 | Thomas Theodores | it. |
| 02:43:26.57 | Unknown | Mr. Goldman, Your Honor. |
| 02:43:29.23 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. That was way too many questions for me to be able to answer. |
| 02:43:34.51 | Thomas Theodores | Then talk about whatever clumps in your head. |
| 02:43:36.54 | Jonathon Goldman | The point is that there isn't enough money to replace assets that the city already has in some areas. And as council is aware, we already have requests for proposals out on the, it's not on the street yet, but it'll be out on the street tomorrow to help us with the storm drains issue. But those aren't the only issues. And I think in the context of what you're trying to do, where this is broad, it can be voted on as a broad priority, and if you would rather break it up into little pieces, |
| 02:43:42.44 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 02:43:47.32 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 02:44:27.33 | Jonathon Goldman | Some of the littler pieces may end up being a priority and others won't, and that's really your prerogative. |
| 02:44:32.99 | Thomas Theodores | Well, no, my question was not so much the Thank you. is that there's getting the way this is phrased, it's not your fault because it's how we phrased it, is that this references funding, right? And there's a whole other question is, okay, let's find out what the problems are. You know, let's assess our situation, find out what assets, what their life is, where they need to be replaced, get this whole inventory. and cost estimates for those and then go out and get the funding, right? So do you do that all at once for everything before you do a big study of everything and you'd have to get somebody to help you because that's a lot of work, right? Or do you just go out and look for funding? Do you see what I mean? |
| 02:45:17.98 | Jonathon Goldman | I do, and I don't think it's that polar situation. I think I can comfortably say because the revenue source for storm drains is solely a result of the mixed-up program and in the budget process, it's obvious that, and the Finance Committee meetings coming up will help put some detail Thank you. in the budget process, it's obvious that, and the Finance Committee meetings coming up will help put some detail to this, that the revenue available is grossly inadequate to maintain and reconstruct infrastructure that is of a similar age to assets that we do have revenue streams for. So we don't need a comprehensive inventory to be able to quantify to the fifth significant digit how grossly inadequate that funding is. We know that it's grossly inadequate. We know what alternatives are available to us for increasing that funding, and we've actually, we're already soliciting help from the consulting marketplace to try and help us figure out the most successful path to increase that funding going forward. I'd say some of the same things about streetlights. I'm sure you're aware, and this too will come up in the budget process. We have a 5,000-volt series circuit set of 21 streetlights that went in in the 40s on Caledonia, and for a variety of reasons, our streetlight maintenance contractor was unable to get parts for it this past winter. So a number of those lights were out for some period of time, and by the electrical nature of that circuit, having lights out makes it more likely that other parts of the system will fail. So we were... able to expedite the design to upgrade that electrical service, if you will, from 1940's vintage 5000-volt series circuit to what we more conventionally use now, which eliminates that, will eliminate that reliability issue, but we're going to have to spend $130,000 to make that changeover. And those dollars have to come from the same kinds of pots that, for example, pavement does. So the concept from my perspective is that I think it's important for the community and for the council to recognize that |
| 02:47:35.35 | Craig Severance | $30,000. |
| 02:47:57.71 | Jonathon Goldman | there are not infinite supplies of money, and on an ongoing basis, assets, capital assets, have to be Um, reinvested. They have to be cultivated and maintained. And maintaining them in a Um, in a sustainable manner doesn't mean just fixing little pieces when they break and, you know, duct taping the parts together and not ever stepping up and saying, this needs to be completely rebuilt. And it also doesn't mean that those funds should compete with police services or the library or any number of other things that the community expects. So the suggestion is for those assets that are infrastructure value to the community that do not have a funding source, there's value in making it a priority to |
| 02:48:30.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:48:54.99 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. No, I'm all with you. So my question is really not these aren't important. It's more do you try to determine the scope first and then go seek the funding or do you break those into two separate pieces? One you sort of assess that here's what we need and then you go look for the funding |
| 02:48:55.24 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. |
| 02:49:12.81 | Thomas Theodores | And then subbed underneath that, do you do it all at once and that's a huge project, or do you do it for different pieces? Because this is one goal, right? So I'm asking you because you're going to have to implement this, however it's phrased. So which would allow you to – neither of which is actually going to allow you to accomplish this in a reasonable period of time, in our lifetimes, right, because there's not enough money and not enough human time. But which would be of more value to you, to have to set aside, let's say it costs a half million dollars to hire somebody to come in and just help us go through an inventory of all our physical assets and their... |
| 02:49:27.40 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:49:50.84 | Thomas Theodores | how far they are in their useful life, and what the cost is would be to replace them in 2013 dollars. Is that worth doing absent having funding to do any of it, or do you only do that if you can access funding? So my, I guess that, I know what I think, but I want to hear what you think. |
| 02:50:11.51 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 02:50:11.87 | Unknown | Right. Thank you. |
| 02:50:13.30 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, and I think my answer to that really will, I don't have one at the moment. We don't have the half a million dollars. No, I know. And if we did, I think I agree with you that I don't think we should spend the half a million dollars doing, you know, large-scale inventory because we can clearly identify any number of, and the streetlights is a good example of an actual capital project that establishes energy savings, so reduces operating costs going forward, and significantly improves reliability. My suggestion is that these issues do come out of the budget process and not just the second year of a two year or the rolling five year process, but as part of the capital improvement process. |
| 02:50:27.55 | Thomas Theodores | No, I know. |
| 02:50:43.44 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 02:50:43.51 | Unknown | is a good thing. |
| 02:50:43.76 | Craig Severance | example |
| 02:51:05.01 | Thomas Theodores | Right. |
| 02:51:05.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:09.01 | Thomas Theodores | So are there any of these categories? Some are easier to get your head and arms around them yourself with the staff resources that you have than others. So like the storm drains, you need help, just like the sewers, we needed help to get our head around where's the problems, how much the problems cost. We have some ideas. I don't know what the scope of your project you're putting out to be. I can't remember what is. But like say, streets, maybe you don't need to do that until the next time you hire that consultant who runs around and gives grades to streets. So that's something you've got a better handle on versus what's the health of all the bulkheads? I don't know if we know all that. And some of them aren't ours, right? Some are somebody else's. Or or, you know, you don't have parks in here versus or, you know, so do you play that, pull that part out, you know, or is there all these you feel comfortable lumping together and just undertaking that life analysis in-house without... |
| 02:51:41.92 | Craig Severance | but, |
| 02:51:57.78 | Unknown | Yeah, playgrounds and stuff. |
| 02:52:11.99 | Thomas Theodores | additional funds. |
| 02:52:14.06 | Jonathon Goldman | Again. |
| 02:52:15.58 | Thomas Theodores | Because I'm actually for what, I'm not against what you said I was against. I'm actually for, let's figure out what the problem is. I'd rather spend the money to know what the problem is with this building. It's going to fall down in an earthquake than to not know. And that way, over the next 20 years, you gauge where your money's going to go because you know you're going to have to replace it or seismically retrofit this building at some point. |
| 02:52:32.79 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:52:33.11 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 02:52:33.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:52:33.94 | Thomas Theodores | and |
| 02:52:36.94 | Thomas Theodores | So I'd rather no than not no, and if it's not on the – that's my personal |
| 02:52:42.24 | Thomas Theodores | And Mr. Mayor, if I can say something? Sorry to take too long. Yeah, so, and this actually, this very point is something that I raised a couple months ago when we were talking about when the issue was raised about forming a special |
| 02:52:43.52 | Thomas Theodores | I'm sorry to go. Yeah. |
| 02:52:55.69 | Thomas Theodores | a group to go and kind of basically look at the scope of the Marinship, which I still don't understand what that entailed, but I agree that looking and this has been my question from the beginning which is looking if you look at All of the infrastructure issues we have up there, storm drains, street lights, sidewalks, these are each one individually. could Um, be huge and take up all of the time and all of the resources for public works which would influence what we would, how the priority rating would be. You know, because if we're putting a line at like item 25, And some of the 25 items above that line involve resources from public works and in reality this one item is gonna just you know, take up all of your time. You see what I'm saying? So I would personally support. breaking this down. And, uh, and just from a project management standpoint to set up Public Works for success, you know, to get clarity on the scope. This is one. And to be proactive. |
| 02:54:17.08 | Unknown | And to be proactive. Thank you. |
| 02:54:18.55 | Unknown | So. |
| 02:54:18.83 | Unknown | Well, we could be here for a while. |
| 02:54:21.97 | Ray Withy | I'm trying to get through this list. But I think this list basically is to leave them on. Yeah, I'd leave this on, but I'll add more when we get to the other thing. |
| 02:54:24.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:24.61 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:54:24.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:24.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:25.01 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:54:25.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:25.81 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:54:27.34 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:54:27.36 | Unknown | Yeah, I'd leave this on, |
| 02:54:30.67 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I mean, I think just to jump in on that, I think that's exactly, leave it on and then you may decide. when you start going back through them to break it up. Thank you. |
| 02:54:39.14 | Thomas Theodores | I'm going to |
| 02:54:39.32 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. and I'm not sure. |
| 02:54:40.03 | Thomas Theodores | in a bad mood earlier. |
| 02:54:40.98 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:54:41.08 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 02:54:41.23 | Thomas Theodores | Yes, I would recommend breaking it up. I would recommend breaking up. |
| 02:54:48.52 | Ray Withy | First things first, we leave this on the list. Is that we all agree with that? Yes. Well, do we have support for breaking it up? You go back and add to what you'd like. |
| 02:54:53.67 | Thomas Theodores | Well, do we have support for Breaking It Up? Oh, we're going to go back and reword and change stuff? |
| 02:55:00.11 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:55:00.15 | Thomas Theodores | So you can say, I want to focus on storm drains. We'll create a separate item for that. And maybe phrase it differently than just access funding. Right, asset net, face of funding. You understand what I'm saying? |
| 02:55:12.60 | Ray Withy | Did we get a consensus on that? Yes. All in favor? Yes. Aye. Okay, opposed? Okay, next, Casa Marina Rehab Improvement Plan Community Partnership. |
| 02:55:17.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:19.62 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:55:19.72 | Unknown | of Viennetsk |
| 02:55:20.75 | Thomas Theodores | Asmarino. |
| 02:55:25.34 | Ray Withy | No, is that it, Monsieur? |
| 02:55:25.48 | Thomas Theodores | Is that a measure? Is that a take 40 hours? I thought that wasn't going to take 40 hours. It is? Hmm? 40 hours, all right? Thank you. |
| 02:55:32.95 | Ray Withy | Did I mean... Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's back up. I'm sorry. Bridgeway to Ferry Landing, Pedestrian and Bike Improvement Project implement, Greenway between Anchor and Ferry Landing. |
| 02:55:32.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:33.03 | Ray Withy | than you know. |
| 02:55:44.32 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 02:55:44.59 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:55:45.64 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:55:48.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:48.76 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Oh, that's the parking lot. |
| 02:55:53.13 | Thomas Theodores | This is one of those things where this one project could require more staff time than streets on the asset piece. So I don't support it. |
| 02:56:03.36 | Thomas Theodores | I don't support it. |
| 02:56:12.37 | Ray Withy | Okay. We leave |
| 02:56:15.04 | Unknown | All in favor? |
| 02:56:16.13 | Thomas Theodores | or just change the world? |
| 02:56:16.20 | Unknown | They're just I'm sorry. |
| 02:56:18.19 | Thomas Theodores | It's what do we got here? |
| 02:56:18.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:22.55 | Thomas Theodores | I thought we were going to change wording later. |
| 02:56:24.67 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, okay. We'll change wording later. So strike this and we'll put the ferry landing project as a new one when we get there. |
| 02:56:30.48 | Ray Withy | I'm going to do it. Thank you. Cass Marina Rehab Improvement Plan, Community Partnership? Yes. Yes? Yes. All in favor? |
| 02:56:40.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:40.05 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:56:40.47 | Unknown | Right. Right. Central Waterfront Master Plan. But that's staff time, right? The 40 hours of staff time. Yep. Okay. |
| 02:56:46.39 | Thomas Theodores | Yep. |
| 02:56:48.53 | Unknown | Central Waterfront Master Plan. |
| 02:56:51.27 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I see what we're doing on that. |
| 02:56:51.28 | Unknown | Yeah, I see him here on that. Definitely. I'm a favor. |
| 02:56:54.14 | Thomas Theodores | What is that? |
| 02:56:54.19 | Unknown | you |
| 02:56:54.24 | Thomas Theodores | What is that? |
| 02:56:55.45 | Thomas Theodores | It's the area between... |
| 02:56:57.17 | Thomas Theodores | No, I know the area, but what does this mean? |
| 02:56:59.62 | Thomas Theodores | The idea is instead of just doing a Dunphy Park master plan, that you plan the whole district so that you know, as different projects come forward on the privately owned lands, how they're going to impact the whole district. Johnson and Ackeson. Right. Johnson and Ackeson. |
| 02:57:13.73 | Ray Withy | Thank you. And who's the proponent of that one? |
| 02:57:17.17 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, it was mine from last year. Didn't make it above the line. Thank you. |
| 02:57:21.51 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Yes. Okay, next, City Hall Rehabilitation of Space Utilization Plan, including energy efficiencies. Yes. |
| 02:57:23.25 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 02:57:23.75 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:57:30.79 | Unknown | you |
| 02:57:31.89 | Ray Withy | There is. All in favor? Aye. Next, citywide historic contact statement? Yes. All in favor? Aye. Construction and demolition? Wait, you skipped one. Oh, I know. My eyes are getting bad. Prepared climate action plan per Assembly Bill AB 32. |
| 02:57:43.28 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. Right. Go ahead. You skipped one. |
| 02:57:59.71 | Thomas Theodores | You know what would be helpful on this one, and maybe we can take this one off, is maybe we have to understand the impacts of this because on what we have to implement at the local level, right? Is that where you're going with this one? Well, we've heard a report. |
| 02:58:13.36 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 02:58:13.43 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 02:58:13.50 | Adam Politzer | Is that what you're saying? |
| 02:58:14.23 | Ray Withy | with this one to |
| 02:58:15.03 | Adam Politzer | What we've heard |
| 02:58:15.66 | Thomas Theodores | Well, no, this was different from what I initially put AB 32 task force. The climate action plan came from a consultant that had done a study for the city, and my concern about the study they did was I didn't want to see high density. I didn't want to see SB 375 get in with the high density housing as part of that climate action plan. So I actually voted against this. The item I put on the list, the priority list, was a task force for AB 32. I wanted to explore things like, you know, telework programs, how the city might be able to promote those, these types of things to meet gas emissions. If you look at what San Diego did with SB 375 and some of the other large cities, it's kind of included interesting strategies. |
| 02:59:09.25 | Unknown | you |
| 02:59:22.69 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, I have a little different take on that. The sustainability commission asked the staff from the hazardous and solid waste JPA to come and work with them. Member Steve Devine came to the city council and talked about the |
| 02:59:22.94 | Thomas Theodores | MIRROR. Yeah. |
| 02:59:43.07 | Adam Politzer | this type of item, Councilmember Pfeiffer is right, ICLEI, which is working with the staff, with the city staff and with the Sustainability Commission. you know, made some recommendations of how to move forward. We paid for phase one of that. Now they're continuing to move forward on phase two. It's not really an option, but it's being managed with the Sustainability Commission and then kind of our green team which was David Weatherford who was an intern working with Lily Lin-Chin-Sing. and Andrew Davidson. Uh, and the sustainability commission. that was the process that We have been using from last year and recommend continuing with. Okay. Let's keep it. |
| 03:00:34.61 | Unknown | but |
| 03:00:35.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:35.72 | Unknown | just |
| 03:00:35.98 | Unknown | It wasn't a bad thing. |
| 03:00:38.03 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:00:38.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:38.08 | Thomas Theodores | Why don't we go ahead. So does this touch both? OK, we're going to work. OK, we'll work with my flight. OK, we'll do that. |
| 03:00:39.15 | Unknown | So, thank you. |
| 03:00:45.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:45.10 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:00:46.03 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 03:00:46.72 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:00:46.98 | Unknown | Any comments? |
| 03:00:47.75 | Unknown | Thank you. No, I'll just note that it... All in favour? |
| 03:00:48.99 | Ray Withy | No, I'll just note that it was ranked one from bottom last time. |
| 03:00:59.30 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I think that's because of the, as Lynn, there's some, I can't, I can't remember the discussion around even the consultant's report to know how it got ranked so lowly. I... |
| 03:01:02.92 | Ray Withy | And it's been a year. |
| 03:01:07.90 | Ray Withy | I have to be quite frank. I am being asked to vote on things. I don't have a clue what |
| 03:01:13.05 | Thomas Theodores | half of these things. Right. If you don't know what they are, then we should take it off. I mean, really. Or phrase it such. So let's put this, Debbie, how about this? |
| 03:01:16.36 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:01:21.39 | Thomas Theodores | There have been a couple of these that people have asked to reword. the bridgeway to ferry. So just maybe go to underline through those rather than strike them so we know how to come back to them. underline them or something, color them. Yeah, that one and the one we just talked about. |
| 03:01:43.75 | Thomas Theodores | that we, and Jonathan's also, yeah. Okay. |
| 03:01:48.76 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right. |
| 03:01:51.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:01:51.37 | Thomas Theodores | Good point. Okay. |
| 03:01:52.98 | Ray Withy | Construction and demolition waste recycling ordinance. |
| 03:01:58.00 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, we never did this, did we? No. Yeah, I would like to leave it on there. |
| 03:02:02.17 | Unknown | I would like to. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:02:05.06 | Thomas Theodores | Excuse me, honey. |
| 03:02:05.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:05.75 | Thomas Theodores | Yep. |
| 03:02:05.77 | Unknown | Yep. Thank you. |
| 03:02:06.61 | Thomas Theodores | or one of the other. |
| 03:02:06.66 | Ray Withy | you |
| 03:02:06.81 | Unknown | is |
| 03:02:06.93 | Ray Withy | Thank you. communities it doesn't do. |
| 03:02:08.48 | Unknown | with Jesus. |
| 03:02:09.02 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:02:09.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:09.16 | Ray Withy | INTO DISASTER PREPARENT PROGRAM, INCLUDING PRODUCING A DISASTER PREPARENT EVACUATION MAP. coordinating a disaster awareness day and facilitating a community disaster preparedness drill. |
| 03:02:23.45 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:02:23.74 | Ray Withy | I agree. Leave it on. All in favor? Aye. Next, downtown Caledonia Street beautification project. |
| 03:02:24.33 | Unknown | leave it on. Bye. |
| 03:02:32.97 | Unknown | I suppose this. |
| 03:02:33.76 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:02:33.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:33.83 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:02:33.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:34.10 | Unknown | Thank you. What is it? |
| 03:02:35.26 | Thomas Theodores | I don't even remember. |
| 03:02:37.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:37.61 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:02:38.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:42.25 | Jonathon Goldman | The short answer is that a number of businesses and to some extent residents |
| 03:02:46.69 | Unknown | A number of |
| 03:02:48.04 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:02:54.59 | Jonathon Goldman | on Caledonia Street expressed interest in trying to do something under the umbrella of beautification. And following the period where Caledonia between San Carlos and Johnson was closed because of the construction of the public safety facilities, we asked for a budget from council to make some beautification improvements and did not spend all the funds that were appropriated in that fiscal year, but then we zeroed out that project. And it really is, it's an area that there are still people interested in, but there isn't a kind of a consensus or a coherent street beautification program that has emerged. kind of independently of city staff time. If it's something that the council would like to |
| 03:03:53.87 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:04:01.01 | Jonathon Goldman | to have staff devote some time to, this is a good way to do it, this and budget, or this without budget with the direction that the community needs to raise the funding. |
| 03:04:08.13 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:04:11.79 | Adam Politzer | And add to that, it also came up when we talked about the removal of the trees on Caledonia Street and that we had no money |
| 03:04:12.13 | Jonathon Goldman | add to that. |
| 03:04:18.89 | Adam Politzer | to replant new trees or deal with the trees that were not healthy. We pointed out that this was ranked 43 and that's why the budget Also didn't put money in to help fund beautification, being benches, hanging baskets, lights, or replacement of trees. So that's why it was left on the item. so that we can address it. Um... as the council sees fit. Thank you. |
| 03:04:45.34 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:04:45.40 | Adam Politzer | I don't. |
| 03:04:45.91 | Thomas Theodores | Leave it. but will you ask the chamber if they want to be a part of this and help source money for this? And residents, too. But just so, because not those two trees are gone in front of the those empty buildings now. Yeah, people are, I think. |
| 03:05:03.26 | Adam Politzer | Yes, so during the budget process we can say we're willing to pay half or quarter or three quarters, whatever the council and the budget can support and then we go out to the community, including the businesses in the chamber and the residents. |
| 03:05:15.71 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 03:05:15.75 | Unknown | you |
| 03:05:15.81 | Craig Severance | and the chair. |
| 03:05:17.96 | Adam Politzer | and see if we can get the other half funded. And I think the collaboration working with the businesses and the residents to identify what beautification |
| 03:05:27.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:05:27.47 | Adam Politzer | projects should go forward. and then bring those projects forward to the council for your approval. understanding that there's some seed money to support it. All right. Yeah. OK. |
| 03:05:38.97 | Ray Withy | it on. All in favor? Aye. All right, next, downtown Astorah, overlay zoning district national registered nomination in progress. Leave it on. Leave it on. All in favor? Aye. Downtown parking plan phase two includes evaluating parking meter technology and pay for display enhancement. |
| 03:05:49.23 | Unknown | you Do you all in favor? |
| 03:06:02.66 | Ray Withy | You got to stay up with the crimes. Yes. |
| 03:06:03.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:03.45 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:06:03.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:03.65 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:06:03.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:05.16 | Thomas Theodores | Does that also include the meter replacement with the coin meters? The street meters. Yeah. OK. |
| 03:06:10.83 | Ray Withy | for you. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Economic development, oh, Dunphy Park Improvement Plan, including shoreline trees, ADA, and parking. You leave that on high. |
| 03:06:15.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:15.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:15.43 | Thomas Theodores | All right. |
| 03:06:25.08 | Ray Withy | You leave that on high. You keep. |
| 03:06:26.72 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:06:28.73 | Ray Withy | I've been on since before I came here. Economic development study, implement the recommendations of the community and economic development study and subsequent strategic asset planning report. |
| 03:06:39.36 | Unknown | Thank you. And |
| 03:06:47.14 | Ray Withy | I'd say leave it on. I'm not sure. |
| 03:06:49.18 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure you are, but let's leave it on. |
| 03:06:51.51 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:06:51.53 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:06:51.55 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I don't. |
| 03:06:52.71 | Thomas Theodores | I would think I would be doing it on. Did that committee not give anything? The business advisory committee not give anything? Yes. They did? Yes. Oh, here it is. That was there. Oh, and implement that's part of it. Yeah. That's one of those. |
| 03:06:53.03 | Ray Withy | I think. |
| 03:06:53.32 | Thomas Theodores | That's right. |
| 03:06:53.86 | Ray Withy | you |
| 03:06:54.04 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:06:59.12 | Ray Withy | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 03:06:59.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:59.81 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Yes. |
| 03:07:02.97 | Unknown | of the |
| 03:07:03.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:07:03.05 | Ray Withy | Oh, yeah. |
| 03:07:03.14 | Unknown | and it's important. |
| 03:07:04.03 | Ray Withy | of the film. |
| 03:07:04.49 | Ray Withy | That's one of those few. |
| 03:07:05.38 | Ray Withy | you |
| 03:07:05.58 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 03:07:05.70 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:07:05.74 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:07:05.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:07:07.44 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:07:07.49 | Ray Withy | next year. |
| 03:07:08.01 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:07:08.05 | Ray Withy | No. |
| 03:07:08.08 | Thomas Theodores | No, on the no on that one. |
| 03:07:10.24 | Ray Withy | Thank you. than you know. EPA order on going? Yes. EPA is, you can't say no to that one. |
| 03:07:14.68 | Unknown | Yes. Yeah. |
| 03:07:18.36 | Ray Withy | All right, all in favor? Yes. |
| 03:07:19.78 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:07:20.86 | Ray Withy | Financial planning includes five-year plan and strategies to stabilize revenues? Yes. |
| 03:07:25.73 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:07:27.98 | Ray Withy | Leave it on. No, you're no on that? Yeah, I'm a no on that. |
| 03:07:33.29 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:07:33.31 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:07:33.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:07:34.00 | Ray Withy | You're an over-one financial fund. |
| 03:07:35.77 | Ray Withy | Yeah, five years. Let's see. I couldn't go in five years. Firehouse number two developed council policy for use deposition of city property You got to leave it on because it's an asset. You got to make a decision. Sometimes you can't let it be like that. So all in favor? Bye. All right. Fred Zola. |
| 03:07:47.75 | Unknown | It's a vitamin acid. |
| 03:07:48.73 | Craig Severance | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 03:07:56.11 | Thomas Theodores | That's a no for me. |
| 03:07:58.24 | Ray Withy | All right. |
| 03:07:59.21 | Thomas Theodores | It's not a priority. |
| 03:07:59.25 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Is that Willie Kay or an N? |
| 03:08:01.29 | Thomas Theodores | Uh-huh. |
| 03:08:02.17 | Ray Withy | Friends of the Park Program funding for maintenance and park enhancement. Yes, definitely. All in favor? Aye. My green energy generation? What is that? |
| 03:08:07.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:08:07.65 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:08:15.06 | Thomas Theodores | I think the idea here was to make, and we can take it off, is to offer, does it require some staff time if we offered the roofs of MLK particularly to the, what's it called now, Rent Energy Authority, if they wanted to install a solar project there, but it would take some staff time. But I think they're pursuing a different path, so I'm happy to take it off. |
| 03:08:42.72 | Unknown | to take it off. |
| 03:08:44.35 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 03:08:44.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:08:44.45 | Thomas Theodores | They were looking for people to work with them. Now they're looking for more private stuff. |
| 03:08:44.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:08:51.27 | Ray Withy | All right, all of us are okay. We're moving it. Aye. Okay, opposed? |
| 03:08:53.72 | Thomas Theodores | I don't know. |
| 03:08:57.11 | Ray Withy | Next, Heathway Street, sewer and flooding improvements. You've got to address that, you can't. can't let that go. |
| 03:09:06.04 | Ray Withy | And why is that separate from everything else? That's my question. I'm not sure. |
| 03:09:10.95 | Unknown | you |
| 03:09:11.00 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, this one has a history and it's, Mike was very gung-ho to try and resolve it. It's a street that's owned by three different entities, one of which is the city. I mean, actually pieces of the streets divided into thirds. So one of which is ICB, I think, and one of which is whatever that big office park is, Marina Park. |
| 03:09:11.98 | Unknown | this one. |
| 03:09:35.32 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 03:09:35.42 | Unknown | We're here. What's it called? |
| 03:09:36.73 | Thomas Theodores | you know. |
| 03:09:36.77 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:09:37.04 | Thomas Theodores | Right. |
| 03:09:37.26 | Unknown | heart. One in three have it. |
| 03:09:40.97 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 03:09:41.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:41.71 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. So we were trying to get everybody to pitch in to redo that street so that the Heath wouldn't flood every time the tide came in. |
| 03:09:44.67 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:09:44.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:51.50 | Thomas Theodores | The big office people won't give us any money, even though they're obligated to. |
| 03:09:54.81 | Mary Wagner | They actually came last year. Heath Ceramics came and asked and made a presentation, I believe. |
| 03:09:58.79 | Thomas Theodores | Right. I'm sorry. |
| 03:10:02.05 | Unknown | I think. |
| 03:10:02.35 | Thomas Theodores | And I think, Jonathan, you have some stuff that you were trying to do here, but I don't know. Do you want to comment on this one at all, Jonathan, or not necessarily? |
| 03:10:02.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:02.52 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:10:02.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:02.64 | Unknown | and you can't. |
| 03:10:02.89 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 03:10:10.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:10:10.99 | Adam Politzer | While Jonathan's coming up, it's expanded. |
| 03:10:11.01 | Thomas Theodores | while Jonathan's coming up. |
| 03:10:15.78 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:10:15.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:16.07 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:10:16.10 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:10:16.14 | Adam Politzer | you to deal with these K5 Road as well, not just Eastwood. |
| 03:10:19.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:19.53 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:10:19.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:22.97 | Jonathon Goldman | We have successfully implemented a minor improvement, a flap gate in the storm drainage system that reduces the high-frequency tidal flooding, but that's really only a small fraction of addressing the Heathway issues specifically, and then in general, |
| 03:10:37.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:37.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:37.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:37.21 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 03:10:45.52 | Craig Severance | Bye. in general. |
| 03:10:49.52 | Jonathon Goldman | There are broader issues there. At the present time, we're working to try to integrate storm drainage improvements into the Gate 5 sewer project, which is intended to be Clean Water State Revolving Fund funded. To the extent that those projects can result in stormwater quality improvements, then the storm drainage improvements are also potentially eligible for Clean Water State Revolving Fund loans. However, we need to be able to cover the debt service on loans in order to justify including them with the project. So it is an area of focus for a variety of reasons. It's an area that is subject, even with the improvements that we've made, to tidal flooding in an urban area. And because of its juxtaposition with a high-priority sewer project, it's an area where I think there's a lot of potential leverage. And that, in my judgment, is why it's still here and belongs kind of in a place by itself as distinct from others. |
| 03:11:20.14 | Unknown | for |
| 03:12:04.31 | Thomas Theodores | in your top 25, Charles. Heath, top 25, sales tax? Yes. All right, and there you go. |
| 03:12:11.90 | Ray Withy | I say yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. All right. Historic Preservation Regulations? Yes. It's on target. Yes. All in favor? Aye. Local Economic Development Incentives Program? |
| 03:12:14.65 | Thomas Theodores | Amen. |
| 03:12:22.09 | Ray Withy | All in favor? |
| 03:12:27.22 | Ray Withy | I think it's the same as the economic development study. I think it's different. |
| 03:12:33.36 | Thomas Theodores | I think it's different. I think it's different. But I don't remember how it's different. |
| 03:12:34.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:12:36.67 | Ray Withy | that I don't remember how it's different. |
| 03:12:38.68 | Unknown | different things. |
| 03:12:40.81 | Ray Withy | Yeah. Leave it on. I'm not. |
| 03:12:43.42 | Ray Withy | but we could... |
| 03:12:44.67 | Ray Withy | or other things. Or mine it later. Yeah, all right, next. |
| 03:12:44.70 | Ray Withy | later or? |
| 03:12:45.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:12:46.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:12:47.34 | Thomas Theodores | I'm going to abstain on that one because I just don't remember what it is. |
| 03:12:50.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:12:52.35 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. Just for, again, so the idea here was for businesses that the city types of business like Marine, let's say, that you develop incentives, whether it's waive their business license fees or create a sales tax zone where they're exempt from sales tax, that you give them incentives, create economic incentives that the city can do to retain those businesses in Sausalito. To maintain the... To keep the maritime. So whatever type of business that we want to encourage, that you develop some actual... Incentives. Rather than say, hey, we'd love to have you here, we're not going to change your zoning. We're not going to do anything. You have to do something that actually impacts their business that says, we want you here. |
| 03:12:53.24 | Thomas Theodores | So, yeah. |
| 03:12:54.97 | Craig Severance | Right. |
| 03:13:19.00 | Unknown | So whether it's whatever |
| 03:13:24.34 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:13:24.38 | Unknown | central. |
| 03:13:24.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:13:27.92 | Unknown | You go, |
| 03:13:28.51 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:13:33.14 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I would support that, so yeah. Okay. |
| 03:13:35.41 | Ray Withy | Okay. Thank you. I mean, could I just make a point? Sure. Last year, at least as I watched on the video, or I actually may have been here in the audience. I mean, you guys combine this into one thing. and that was the economic development study. Because in part, economic development study and its follow-on work was to propose the sort of business clusters and so on. So you actually have the point in last year's priority calendar. This is now one item. I really think this should have been one item as presented tonight. |
| 03:13:56.93 | Unknown | Well, |
| 03:14:08.79 | Thomas Theodores | as presented tonight. The problem is that the economic development, the other item was actually different because it includes a whole lot of recommendations. I mean, they kind of colored outside the lines in terms of what was initially the spirit, in my recollection, the spirit of what we voted for. So that's why this is different, because this was something that we all supported, whereas the prior bullet was something that was more...it just went all over the place. |
| 03:14:41.89 | Thomas Theodores | It just went all over the place. When you finish your study, do you remember when that was finished? Does anybody remember if it was finished before this time last year or after? Yeah. It was after? Yes, it was. |
| 03:14:44.43 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:14:51.10 | Ray Withy | Yeah. And remember, there is an ongoing study. And I want to... |
| 03:14:53.93 | Adam Politzer | And I want to clarify, I think that Council Member Withey made a correct observation. I think when I worked off of last year's report, they were separate, so I listed them separate, |
| 03:14:57.55 | Ray Withy | made it. |
| 03:15:09.64 | Adam Politzer | reflects on what's in the existing priority calendar. That's why they were labeled 30, both of them labeled 32. 33, yeah. We did combine them. |
| 03:15:17.22 | Craig Severance | You do. |
| 03:15:20.50 | Adam Politzer | Um, And so, THE DISCUSSION. was lengthy and Councilman Pfeiffer is saying that there was It was probably not a 5-0 vote on that. but the ultimate result was combining those items. |
| 03:15:38.40 | Ray Withy | All right, so let's keep that on. Yes. |
| 03:15:41.20 | Adam Politzer | Yes. |
| 03:15:41.98 | Ray Withy | Okay, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye, ma'am. |
| 03:15:43.56 | Adam Politzer | Hi. I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor, can I ask now for clarification? So should we remove or keep on the economic development study that's listed further up? Or do you want to just list it as local? |
| 03:15:52.08 | Unknown | And remove more. |
| 03:16:01.25 | Adam Politzer | economic development. |
| 03:16:02.51 | Thomas Theodores | No, keep it all as is right now. We're going to reword them later. |
| 03:16:06.07 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:16:06.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:16:06.11 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:16:06.26 | Ray Withy | We'll go back. All right. Marine shop restoration and preservation. All right. Let me go back to another one. It's local. Did I get that one? All right. |
| 03:16:06.38 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:16:06.72 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 03:16:06.83 | Unknown | That's fine. |
| 03:16:16.00 | Thomas Theodores | get that one. Are we okay on machine shop restoration? |
| 03:16:21.25 | Ray Withy | Yes. Okay. Marin ship historic district and historic register nomination. Ongoing. Yes. All in favor? Aye. All right. Marin ship specific plan review and update? |
| 03:16:30.37 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:16:30.69 | Donald Sibbitt | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:16:37.28 | Donald Sibbitt | Jesus. |
| 03:16:39.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:16:39.28 | Ray Withy | Yeah, that's a tough one. |
| 03:16:39.35 | Donald Sibbitt | Yes. |
| 03:16:40.03 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:16:40.04 | Donald Sibbitt | Thank you. |
| 03:16:40.13 | Thomas Theodores | I never supported this one. What do you get? Do put it on. Well, you put it above the line now, Jonathan. |
| 03:16:40.18 | Donald Sibbitt | Thank you. |
| 03:16:40.19 | Ray Withy | I never supported this one. What are you? |
| 03:16:42.03 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. I'm sorry. |
| 03:16:42.79 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:16:42.83 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:16:42.95 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:16:42.96 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:16:45.00 | Thomas Theodores | I just don't think we had the money to actually do it. I'd leave it on there for now. Yes. All in favor. |
| 03:16:48.36 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 03:16:48.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:16:50.25 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:16:50.27 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:16:50.62 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:16:50.67 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:16:50.74 | Ray Withy | So, um... |
| 03:16:51.59 | Ray Withy | What? |
| 03:16:51.60 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:16:51.91 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 03:16:51.96 | Ray Withy | Aye. No. By the way, I just, we want to point out that the Planning Commission, I believe, voted 5-0 to have, it was their number one priority. |
| 03:16:52.82 | Thomas Theodores | and |
| 03:16:52.89 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:16:53.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:16:53.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:16:59.82 | Adam Politzer | For clarification, Foros, Planning Commissioner Bayer was absent. |
| 03:17:03.55 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:17:03.95 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:17:04.02 | Ray Withy | Amen. But I mean, and it's actually, it was number one on the business advisory committee as well. |
| 03:17:07.65 | Adam Politzer | and they cry out. |
| 03:17:08.48 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:17:08.50 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:17:08.53 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:17:09.93 | Thomas Theodores | of this from a completely different point of view. Yeah. Okay. But I mean, but I think it's- But an important point of view. Right. But I mean, I think we have others than ourselves. I'm fine, I'm leaving you. |
| 03:17:12.53 | Ray Withy | Thank you. But I mean, but I think it's... |
| 03:17:15.58 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:17:15.77 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 03:17:16.54 | Ray Withy | All right. |
| 03:17:17.02 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:17:17.03 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:17:17.08 | Ray Withy | but |
| 03:17:17.71 | Thomas Theodores | I mean, I think we have others than ourselves. You've always supported it. |
| 03:17:22.10 | Ray Withy | The state mills act, state legislator that grants local governments the ability to participate in a historic preservation and economic incentive programs. |
| 03:17:31.83 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:17:32.44 | Ray Withy | you Yes. you |
| 03:17:34.06 | Ray Withy | I don't know what it is, but okay. It's in the stuff. |
| 03:17:35.46 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:17:35.48 | Thomas Theodores | It's in the staff report. It's under the Historic Landmarks Board on page 6C-1-3. |
| 03:17:36.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:17:36.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:17:36.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:17:37.06 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:17:37.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:17:37.20 | Ray Withy | It's under this. |
| 03:17:38.03 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:17:44.93 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:17:44.96 | Thomas Theodores | This is what Heidi was talking about a couple of weeks ago or a couple of meetings ago where we, by having a certified local government, we can apply to become... Oh, yeah. We have to do some other work to get access to this tool, right? Oh, yeah. Jeremy, do you want to clarify that? Oh, great. I remember that. Okay. |
| 03:17:45.00 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:17:45.23 | Jan Fidler | Thank you. |
| 03:17:45.25 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:17:53.47 | Unknown | Oh, yeah. |
| 03:18:00.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:18:00.79 | Unknown | Jeremy, do you want to clarify that? |
| 03:18:02.07 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:18:02.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:02.68 | Ray Withy | All right. |
| 03:18:02.90 | Unknown | check. |
| 03:18:03.22 | Ray Withy | I remember that. |
| 03:18:03.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:05.33 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, it's okay. Right. It's a new one. |
| 03:18:05.35 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, yeah. Right. |
| 03:18:07.20 | Unknown | All right, so I think we just, we need to implement this and what it is, is we might also have to have an agreement with the county because it would provide a portion of property tax rebate to property owners who agree to certain restrictions on protection of the |
| 03:18:09.40 | Thomas Theodores | We will. |
| 03:18:09.62 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:18:10.36 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:18:10.43 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 03:18:10.44 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:18:10.46 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:18:10.54 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:18:10.71 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:18:10.75 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:18:11.20 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:18:22.51 | Unknown | you |
| 03:18:22.59 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 03:18:22.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:24.04 | Ray Withy | Okay, I'll just get it. |
| 03:18:27.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:27.03 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. |
| 03:18:27.08 | Unknown | All in favor, aye. |
| 03:18:28.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:28.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:32.35 | Ray Withy | 1030. All right, where are we going now? |
| 03:18:37.98 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:18:38.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:38.08 | Ray Withy | I believe. |
| 03:18:38.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:39.26 | Ray Withy | So what advantage about that? |
| 03:18:39.62 | Unknown | What do we do? |
| 03:18:40.72 | Thomas Theodores | Should we continue a couple of the other later agenda items so folks can go home? |
| 03:18:40.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:40.95 | Ray Withy | Wait, should we? |
| 03:18:41.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:42.00 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:18:43.96 | Thomas Theodores | later agenda items so folks can go home. So you've got the Muni code. I think we should continue that one already. So and you're here for the bikes? Is that right? Okay. Is there anybody else here for the bikes besides the police? |
| 03:18:58.69 | Thomas Theodores | Chief Tejeda. So maybe we should continue. |
| 03:19:00.34 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 03:19:02.79 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:19:02.82 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:19:02.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:19:02.87 | Ray Withy | Should we continue this or do you need some action? |
| 03:19:03.26 | Thomas Theodores | Should we continue this or do you need some action? |
| 03:19:07.18 | Mary Wagner | you you Debbie and I were just commiserating about the Muni code and the two of us are the ones who need to be here for that and we're here anyway. |
| 03:19:20.24 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:19:20.68 | Thomas Theodores | from a |
| 03:19:20.71 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. Can we go back to this and take a look? |
| 03:19:30.02 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:19:30.31 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:19:31.04 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:19:31.71 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:19:31.78 | Thomas Theodores | Wait, so let's ask the people who are waiting. One second. Let's ask if people are waiting if they'd rather, because you're going to be here for a significant more period of time, rather stomach just for another whatever and wait to hear the bike plan or do you want it to come back at the next meeting? No, I think you do it now. The bike plan? Yes. Can we hear? |
| 03:19:31.88 | Ray Withy | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:19:31.97 | Unknown | So listen. |
| 03:19:32.52 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:19:32.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:19:32.64 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:19:32.71 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:19:32.73 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 03:19:33.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:19:33.40 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:19:33.43 | Unknown | One second. Let's ask if people were |
| 03:19:35.69 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:19:41.91 | Ray Withy | or whatever. |
| 03:19:45.77 | Ray Withy | which is so... |
| 03:19:49.45 | Thomas Theodores | Can we hear from Mark? No, we have the end. |
| 03:19:52.72 | Thomas Theodores | No, you gotta have the other. Thank you. No, I know. Either you continue it or you're not. |
| 03:19:55.47 | Unknown | Yeah, you can. We're going to leave it where it is. You've got to put it in place because if you wait too long, you won't go... |
| 03:20:03.34 | Ray Withy | All right, let's try to... Oh, only three hours. Don't worry about it. |
| 03:20:09.21 | Thomas Theodores | No, I think we're talking about at least 11.30. At least an hour. So... |
| 03:20:12.09 | Unknown | 11th. We're going to be some out. |
| 03:20:14.68 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:20:14.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:20:14.88 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:20:15.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:20:15.15 | Thomas Theodores | before we even start. |
| 03:20:15.18 | Unknown | Before we even start. We can't leave that and come back, can we? Can we? |
| 03:20:21.41 | Thomas Theodores | Can we table this, have that, and come back to this? |
| 03:20:21.43 | Unknown | Can we table this? |
| 03:20:24.04 | Unknown | . |
| 03:20:24.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:20:24.21 | Unknown | with it. |
| 03:20:24.50 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:20:24.67 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. I think the next item, so if you guys just Thank you. |
| 03:20:28.45 | Ray Withy | All right, okay, all right, okay. All right, let's go. Give me the list. I'll read them. All right, mixed-use zoning requirements in commercial districts, amendment of zoning ordinance to add the horizontal mixed-use and vertical mixed-use housing element implementation, and that's a new plan. |
| 03:20:28.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:20:51.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:20:51.23 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:20:51.25 | Ray Withy | No. . |
| 03:20:52.81 | Unknown | No for me. Is that just implementing |
| 03:20:52.98 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:20:53.14 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:20:55.23 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:20:55.75 | Mary Wagner | in our house building? |
| 03:20:57.03 | Ray Withy | housing yeah |
| 03:20:57.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:20:57.98 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:20:58.15 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:20:58.52 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 03:20:59.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:20:59.53 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:20:59.60 | Unknown | This is one of our implementation measures that we agreed to and we'd have it committed, we'd have it, our commitment was we'd have it completed by the end of this month. |
| 03:21:02.75 | Ray Withy | measures. Thank you. |
| 03:21:08.81 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:21:08.84 | Thomas Theodores | Jeremy, I have a question because this was added to the list. |
| 03:21:10.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:21:10.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:21:10.47 | Unknown | because |
| 03:21:10.97 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:21:10.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:21:13.30 | Thomas Theodores | I know that the housing element also included Um, um, Outreach for the Liveaboard program and also the outreach for the amnesty and the ADUs and also the encouragement of whatever, the implementation of those programs. Are those two things on this list as well? |
| 03:21:38.27 | Unknown | Well, the outreach for the amnesty started in January. I know it's ongoing. It's been very successful. Yeah. This particular item here had a set timeframe that we committed to, so that's where we're prioritizing that. On the outreach for the letter boards, I don't recall the time frame of that on the line. |
| 03:21:43.17 | Thomas Theodores | I know it's ongoing. It's been very successful. |
| 03:21:49.53 | Thomas Theodores | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:21:59.71 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, I thought, maybe I'm mistaken. I thought there was a timeframe for either the ADU and the Live Board or both. |
| 03:22:07.55 | Unknown | There was a time frame for the ADU, and we've met that. OK, OK, great. The local board, I don't recall the time frame. |
| 03:22:10.29 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, okay, great. Okay, okay. All right. |
| 03:22:15.94 | Ray Withy | Okay, all in favor of this? Aye. Can you put on? Aye. No. Opposed? |
| 03:22:18.00 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:22:18.83 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:22:18.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:18.89 | Thomas Theodores | No. |
| 03:22:19.43 | Unknown | Bye. See you. |
| 03:22:20.78 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:22:20.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:21.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:22:21.12 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 03:22:21.19 | Ray Withy | MLK property long-term operation plan to address maintenance, rehabilitation, and leases. Yes. |
| 03:22:21.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:21.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:21.53 | Unknown | ML. |
| 03:22:28.70 | Ray Withy | Leave it on. All in favor? Aye. Okay. |
| 03:22:29.47 | Unknown | Yes. I |
| 03:22:33.42 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Debbie. Mooring Fields, working with the RBRA, evaluate the existing mooring field and explore opportunities to improve an existing regulations. |
| 03:22:46.18 | Thomas Theodores | We have anchor outs. |
| 03:22:53.07 | Thomas Theodores | we do not have an existing mooring field. |
| 03:22:56.36 | Ray Withy | to avail. |
| 03:22:56.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:56.73 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 03:22:56.84 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:22:56.96 | Thomas Theodores | It's... I think with that last |
| 03:22:58.67 | Ray Withy | Exactly. They're exploring, they're looking into it. |
| 03:22:58.74 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:23:04.41 | Thomas Theodores | We do not have an existing Moir infield. |
| 03:23:04.47 | Thomas Theodores | We do not. |
| 03:23:08.12 | Ray Withy | Leave it on. All right. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? No. Okay. Municipal code update on target? |
| 03:23:10.43 | Thomas Theodores | Hi. No. |
| 03:23:12.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:23:16.17 | Unknown | Yeah, leave it on. |
| 03:23:17.18 | Ray Withy | Leave it on. You took it off? |
| 03:23:17.20 | Unknown | Leave it on. You took it off? Well, hopefully it works. |
| 03:23:21.08 | Ray Withy | All right. Okay. It's not going to be on next. |
| 03:23:21.58 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:23:22.28 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:23:23.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:23:23.09 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:23:23.25 | Ray Withy | Yeah, take it off then. All in favor? Aye. All right, next Muni car code, Amanda Lower, the threshold for requirement of undergrounding of overhead utilities. Yes. |
| 03:23:23.31 | Ray Withy | Yeah, take it off then. All in favor? Aye. |
| 03:23:37.80 | Ray Withy | Is that going to take 40 hours? Okay, so that's a big one, okay. |
| 03:23:42.34 | Ray Withy | Yeah. Okay, all in favor. |
| 03:23:45.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:23:45.06 | Thomas Theodores | I'll favor it. Thank you. |
| 03:23:46.78 | Ray Withy | of keeping it on. |
| 03:23:47.42 | Thomas Theodores | keeping it on. Didn't we adopt something not so long ago that amended what the criteria were for this like because of the solar panels, people came back and we changed some Thank you. He's looking at you, but I think it's him. I don't let him pass the buck to you. I think it's him. |
| 03:24:04.53 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:24:07.42 | Thomas Theodores | It was Todd. |
| 03:24:09.32 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. It may have been taught. The California Solar Rights Act establishes, well, actually limits our authority with respect to solar panel installations. I don't think that grows to the level of Munich current amendment, though. |
| 03:24:26.57 | Ray Withy | Leave it on. Thank you. |
| 03:24:28.70 | Jonathon Goldman | It may have been a recommendation from the Intergrante Committee. |
| 03:24:31.73 | Ray Withy | We'll be right back. |
| 03:24:32.36 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 03:24:32.66 | Ray Withy | Yeah, that's what it was. So we'll leave it on. We can always go back to it. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, next. Noteworthy structures survey and document the existing buildings listed in the city's noteworthy structure list to determine if the buildings are eligible for their local historic register. Yes. All in favor? Aye. |
| 03:24:34.18 | Mary Wagner | That's right. |
| 03:24:34.45 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:24:34.47 | Mary Wagner | what it was. |
| 03:24:35.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:24:35.80 | Unknown | you |
| 03:24:36.88 | Unknown | All in favor. |
| 03:24:42.36 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:24:42.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:24:58.19 | Unknown | All right. Thank you. |
| 03:24:59.95 | Ray Withy | Parking lot improvements plan including circulation, signage, and pedestrian walkways, restriping and repaving improvements. Yes, definitely. |
| 03:25:11.63 | Thomas Theodores | Is that now part of the ferry project? Okay, so color that one, because we're gonna come here. |
| 03:25:17.57 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Okay. Playground Park Improvement Plan, Casano, Cloudview, Langendorf, Robins, Sweeney Park. Keep it on. Yes. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Private sewer lateral program? You've got to have it. |
| 03:25:30.56 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:25:35.74 | Ray Withy | All in favor. Aye. Come on, dig into your pockets on that one. All right. Private use of public local lands, underwater streets, developed policies. |
| 03:25:47.33 | Thomas Theodores | The Pressure of the National Public Policy. Ah, man. |
| 03:25:52.65 | Unknown | Ah! So, I'm a... |
| 03:25:55.03 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:25:55.52 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 03:25:55.57 | Unknown | So. |
| 03:25:56.43 | Thomas Theodores | I'm a bit confused too because the wording is private use, which implies we're going to be working on policy to allow for private use. |
| 03:25:57.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:26:04.99 | Thomas Theodores | private use. Thank you. |
| 03:26:06.47 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. of public local lands and underwater streets. |
| 03:26:10.27 | Thomas Theodores | It's just to develop a... Well, there's two separate issues here, right? There's the underwater streets, and then there's this... This was different than the other one that we just had. What did we just look at a few minutes ago? What was I looking at? |
| 03:26:22.42 | Unknown | And how about we have a typecast? |
| 03:26:24.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:26:25.44 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:26:25.50 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:26:25.66 | Unknown | . |
| 03:26:25.98 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 03:26:26.05 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:26:26.75 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 03:26:26.82 | Unknown | Because what I heard... |
| 03:26:26.82 | Thomas Theodores | Because what I heard earlier was develop a policy to place underwater streets in a trust. |
| 03:26:32.17 | Unknown | and develop. |
| 03:26:38.04 | Thomas Theodores | to place underwater streams |
| 03:26:39.68 | Ray Withy | It's in a... |
| 03:26:40.20 | Thomas Theodores | Why don't we color this and we'll come back to it in our reworded scenario. |
| 03:26:43.53 | Ray Withy | Okay, next. Revive. |
| 03:26:44.03 | Thomas Theodores | I told you this was going to take more than one meeting. We always try to get it done at one meeting, but it never takes. |
| 03:26:45.67 | Ray Withy | I wish. Bye. Thank you. All right. Revise the protected undesirable tree list. Yes. Yes. All in favor? Aye. All right. Okay. Opposed? Right-of-way easements, encroachments, develop policy for purchase of use. Yes. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Aye. Shoreline restoration protection and habitat creation program. Yes. Yes. All in favor? All right. Single-use carry-out bag ordinance? Eliminating? |
| 03:27:11.84 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:27:19.84 | Ray Withy | Well, This one's probably going to maybe be preempted by California statute. They have bills going on. I don't know if we want to just keep it on or. |
| 03:27:28.01 | Adam Politzer | I'm recommending keep it on. It was the only item of the Sustainability Commission. All right. |
| 03:27:30.61 | Ray Withy | They... |
| 03:27:30.68 | Thomas Theodores | Sustainability Commission. |
| 03:27:32.30 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:27:32.74 | Thomas Theodores | to deal with it. What's eliminating? Oh, eliminating the use of singing. Yeah, eliminating the use of the media. |
| 03:27:34.15 | Adam Politzer | I, |
| 03:27:34.61 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 03:27:37.31 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 03:27:37.33 | Ray Withy | . |
| 03:27:40.26 | Ray Withy | All right, South City limits to ferry, landing, pedestrian, and bike improvements. Leave it on. All in favor? Aye. State density bonus provisions amendment of the zoning ordinance to comply with state density bonus law requirements housing element implementation leave it on just stay |
| 03:28:03.72 | Unknown | Well, we can just do it. |
| 03:28:03.83 | Ray Withy | Bye. Thank you. |
| 03:28:04.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:28:05.74 | Ray Withy | All right, all in favor? Aye. Treason views updated in regulations? |
| 03:28:05.89 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. I Well, I think that the two, the next two should be combined, and I would keep them. But it's update the regulations, update the enforcement sections of the organization. |
| 03:28:18.91 | Ray Withy | Can we do that? I guess we should. We should be combined. All right. Okay. So we agree all along. You say okay. |
| 03:28:21.40 | Ray Withy | Thank you. All right. |
| 03:28:22.06 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. You say update the regulations and enforcement of the |
| 03:28:26.30 | Ray Withy | Enforcement. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So we'll have that as update the regulations and the enforcement section of the ordinance. No, Mary? Okay. All right. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Regimentation management, defensible space policy, and urban wild land prevention program. |
| 03:28:50.17 | Unknown | I think, yes. |
| 03:28:50.71 | Ray Withy | Yes. Yes, I did. |
| 03:28:52.30 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. . |
| 03:28:54.65 | Ray Withy | Yes, I did. All right. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Zoning ordinance amendments, definition of formula retail should be clarified. |
| 03:29:04.67 | Unknown | Phil. Ahem. Thank you. |
| 03:29:07.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:29:08.08 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:29:08.67 | Unknown | . |
| 03:29:08.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:29:08.94 | Unknown | . |
| 03:29:09.56 | Ray Withy | Yes, yes. It should be clarified, yes. All in favor? Aye. No, he was clearing his throat. Zoning ordinance amendment on the bus, Muni code amendments, policy amendments in progress, |
| 03:29:18.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:29:19.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:29:19.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:29:28.16 | Thomas Theodores | There is a... |
| 03:29:28.31 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:29:29.80 | Thomas Theodores | Is that part of the Municode thing or is that separate? |
| 03:29:33.68 | Ray Withy | All right, all in favor. |
| 03:29:34.47 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:29:36.31 | Ray Withy | Zoning ordinance amendment standards for single-family residents and multi-family zoning districts. |
| 03:29:46.06 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:29:46.57 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? No. There you go. All right. Is that it? You'd like to say no. |
| 03:29:54.16 | Thomas Theodores | Oh. |
| 03:29:55.68 | Ray Withy | Okay, is that it? |
| 03:29:58.37 | Thomas Theodores | So the question is, do you go through the remaining stuff that was on these committees list or not or accept staff's interpretation of their request? |
| 03:30:06.89 | Ray Withy | to. The President accepts that. Absolutely. Bye. |
| 03:30:10.03 | Thomas Theodores | and then you have your own, right? |
| 03:30:12.79 | Ray Withy | No, let's accept staffs and then move it up. All in favor. |
| 03:30:17.54 | Thomas Theodores | Like what? |
| 03:30:18.02 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 03:30:18.40 | Ray Withy | I don't like accepting chefs. I don't care. Just move it up. |
| 03:30:18.97 | Unknown | Exactly. |
| 03:30:21.97 | Unknown | He just... Thank you. Yes, yes, yes. |
| 03:30:23.53 | Ray Withy | Yes. We're going to come back and break it up anyway. So what's the difference? |
| 03:30:30.82 | Unknown | What's the difference? |
| 03:30:31.64 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. him. |
| 03:30:32.37 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:30:32.39 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:30:32.49 | Unknown | All in favor, yes. All in favor, aye. |
| 03:30:32.57 | Thomas Theodores | I heard one. |
| 03:30:33.20 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 03:30:33.65 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. All right. |
| 03:30:39.15 | Unknown | Wait until you get my age. That's how they slip things in in Washington, right? You get them so tired that they don't know what they're voting on in. |
| 03:30:43.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:30:43.52 | Ray Withy | Amen. |
| 03:30:43.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:30:48.37 | Ray Withy | Okay. Thank you. you Yeah. |
| 03:30:50.21 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. Thank you. |
| 03:30:50.92 | Unknown | it. |
| 03:30:50.97 | Thomas Theodores | So do you add new ones from your own list now? Or do you just leave it to us? |
| 03:30:56.65 | Adam Politzer | So you have, sounds like you have two more things to do. One is go back through the yellow highlights and decide if you're going to. modify them and then as Vice Mayor Leon just shared, |
| 03:31:05.04 | Unknown | . |
| 03:31:05.09 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:31:05.21 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 03:31:09.97 | Adam Politzer | Are there items? that you would like to propose a vote of a majority vote to add it on. So we... |
| 03:31:17.51 | Ray Withy | But we can add them on later. We don't have to do it tonight. |
| 03:31:20.75 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. tonight. Yeah, the benefit of doing it tonight, if there is staff costs or resources necessary, then staff will take tonight's list and come back at the next meeting and say, It will take X amount of hours. It's something that we can actually do or not do. Uh, And it may cost this much money if it needs support of a consultative. |
| 03:31:43.67 | Ray Withy | But if we emailed you something in the next couple of days, would it have to go through the next? Could you do that analysis or would you have to wait till we |
| 03:31:50.06 | Adam Politzer | Amen. |
| 03:31:53.37 | Adam Politzer | We would wait because it would take three people to say yes, we want staff to spend time telling us how much it would cost. |
| 03:31:58.11 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:31:58.13 | Ray Withy | Yes. telling us how much it would cost. Male Speaker 1 Let's hit these and let's try to clear these up, all right? All right. Asset replacement funding for Thank you. storm drains, streetlights, sidewalks, streets, and moorage and water access. |
| 03:32:14.51 | Thomas Theodores | I think every one of those should be a separate item, every single one of those, because I think we're sitting on a ticking time bomb in each one. and I think each one has a broad scope that we don't have any idea as to how large it is. And I think these are really critical infrastructure issues. Streets, sidewalks. |
| 03:32:38.21 | Thomas Theodores | Jonathan. voice. We'll let her finish. Okay, go ahead. So I, in theory, agree with Linda. The idea here is that the way this is phrased is asset replacement funding. Now why don't you leave that the way it is? So I would add a separate one that is... I don't know what the right phrasing is, but either study asset inventory and No, I'm not rewording it. I'm adding a separate one. Okay, all right. To study asset inventory and replacement costs for city infrastructure. That's sort of where I was trying to, and it's not necessarily part and parcel separate, but it's more like let's figure out what we have to do and then go find the funding for it. Or you have to do it linearly. You could do it at the same time. All right. |
| 03:33:38.35 | Unknown | Lynn, |
| 03:33:42.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:33:43.02 | Ray Withy | any other |
| 03:33:43.93 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:33:43.99 | Ray Withy | you All right, all in favor of that then. |
| 03:33:46.52 | Thomas Theodores | to just leave those. |
| 03:33:47.31 | Ray Withy | two separate |
| 03:33:47.38 | Thomas Theodores | He's separated. Thank you. |
| 03:33:49.15 | Ray Withy | Thank you. So we have two separate ones there. |
| 03:33:53.20 | Thomas Theodores | So I would move to have steady asset inventory and replacement costs and have it for storm drains. And then have another one for street lights and another one for sidewalks and another one for streets. I think that each one of these infrastructure items, they're not exciting, but they're a high priority for our residents and they are, I think in many places, they're ticking time bombs. There are lawsuits waiting to happen. |
| 03:34:28.94 | Ray Withy | My comment to that would be, How can you prioritize among them until you have done the study? and no. the dollars involved. Vice Mayor Leone has proposed is the study is to actually determine that problem. |
| 03:34:46.56 | Unknown | My- |
| 03:34:46.74 | Ray Withy | And so if you're going to prioritize, Right now, if you're going to do a study, I want to know it all, because I want to know which one's more of a time bomb than another. |
| 03:34:56.82 | Thomas Theodores | I think that when we look at the storm drains, for example, that that is linked with the EPA mandate. So we know, in my opinion at least, That's a higher priority. That's a higher priority than streetlights. |
| 03:35:13.96 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:35:15.01 | Ray Withy | That's not EPA. |
| 03:35:17.51 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. Okay. Well, I know that we had issues with storm drains with respect to – I know that it was – I know it was mentioned in one study with respect to the sewers, in that they were – when they're looking at the sewers, many times they're looking at the storm drains as well, because they're kind of – They're interlinked in some way. I'm not a subject matter expert in this area with respect to spills in the bay. So to me, at least, I could easily put storm drains top just from feedback from residents, I would put streets number two. I mean, I have criteria that I could easily rate every single one of these infrastructure issues based on my own criteria. So I could rate those. And I look at those and all of those are Um. I think each one individually is huge. And I think when we put them all together, I think that we are giving a huge, we don't have an idea of just how big that |
| 03:36:25.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:36:25.88 | Thomas Theodores | That one item is. It could be the entire list. It could keep Public Works completely busy. You know, for the entire, I mean, they're already swamped. you know, for the entire, you know, year. So I just, I would break him up. That's my personal opinion. |
| 03:36:45.61 | Ray Withy | Okay, then let's go for a vote on the asset replacement funding for storm drains, streetlights, sidewalks, streets, moorage, and water access piers and bulkheads. I say I vote yes. |
| 03:37:01.19 | Thomas Theodores | Well, I'll vote yes for this, and then I'm going to propose my other options. |
| 03:37:07.80 | Ray Withy | Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Next item. |
| 03:37:09.66 | Thomas Theodores | I... |
| 03:37:15.26 | Thomas Theodores | Is that the study asset one? |
| 03:37:16.78 | Ray Withy | No, it's the bridgeway, the prairie landing. |
| 03:37:17.44 | Thomas Theodores | Bridgeway, very... I know. |
| 03:37:20.31 | Adam Politzer | You just created that new one. Vice Mayor Leone created this. |
| 03:37:24.61 | Ray Withy | Yeah. And that's it. |
| 03:37:27.43 | Adam Politzer | So do you want to vote on that for you? |
| 03:37:27.95 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:37:28.00 | Unknown | Yeah, I don't know. |
| 03:37:28.84 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:37:29.55 | Ray Withy | Oh, I'm sorry. All right, so the additional is, he took the words right out of my mouth. |
| 03:37:29.57 | Adam Politzer | Oh, I'm sorry. |
| 03:37:30.18 | Thomas Theodores | sense |
| 03:37:30.72 | Adam Politzer | Oh, yeah. |
| 03:37:30.83 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Mm-hmm. |
| 03:37:36.77 | Thomas Theodores | You can just do an undo. |
| 03:37:36.83 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Heh heh heh. |
| 03:37:39.14 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:37:39.27 | Unknown | I have three keyboards that I'm working with so I get the. |
| 03:37:39.32 | Thomas Theodores | I have. |
| 03:37:42.02 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 03:37:42.36 | Ray Withy | Okay. Well, that's the key. All right, the next item would be study asset inventory and replacement costs of the city infrastructures. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 03:37:43.15 | Unknown | That's right. |
| 03:37:43.71 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:37:43.81 | Unknown | Yeah. Well, that's the |
| 03:37:56.15 | Thomas Theodores | I... |
| 03:37:56.75 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:37:56.77 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:37:58.73 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:37:59.42 | Thomas Theodores | So when do we add the new items? When does that come up? Is that later, the next process? |
| 03:38:02.69 | Ray Withy | Is that later, the next process? Yes. We're getting out of the yellow zone first. Bridgeway to Ferry Landing, Pedestrian, and Bike Improvement Project. Implement the greenway between anchor and ferry landing. |
| 03:38:16.50 | Adam Politzer | So that's humble without correctness. |
| 03:38:18.61 | Ray Withy | That's humble. That's correct. Yeah. |
| 03:38:21.11 | Adam Politzer | And why do we have it yellowed? |
| 03:38:22.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:38:23.10 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:38:23.37 | Ray Withy | Well, because we went back to it. |
| 03:38:24.19 | Thomas Theodores | This humble part of the fairy project now. or is it a separate project? It was part of the green |
| 03:38:30.12 | Thomas Theodores | It was part of the greenway, the bicycle greenway. I'm trying to get rid of the... |
| 03:38:32.53 | Thomas Theodores | I mean, I think it's a good thing. Thank you. |
| 03:38:34.27 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:38:34.30 | Thomas Theodores | I'm trying to get rid of the remnants of the language from the bike, the non-motorized pedestrian projects which we've completed and find out what's part of the ferry thing and we have to make this a separate thing. |
| 03:38:48.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:38:48.07 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 03:38:48.14 | Unknown | Jonathan. |
| 03:38:48.58 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:38:48.61 | Unknown | you |
| 03:38:48.68 | Thomas Theodores | you What do you think, John? Is it now part of the ferry thing, or is it a separate thing? |
| 03:38:56.58 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, the hot button here is bicycle, bike improvements. We have completed the Bridgeway to Fair and Landing project. We have identified additional bicycle and pedestrian improvements necessary in the context of the non-motorized transportation pilot program. In addition, they are independently identified in the context of dealing with what I call the master plan for traffic, bicycle and pedestrian circulation in the mini lots and downtown and at the ferry landing. I think that there's really no wrong answer here. Council could eliminate this priority altogether, this particular bullet point, and we already have the budget process and the grant pass-through agreement and the mandate, if you will, because of the funding source and because of the commitment to involve the community in the process, that these issues are going to get dealt with in that area and to the extent that federal dollars can be spent to construct improvements that the community says they want, that's going to happen if this bullet point is here or not. |
| 03:40:26.76 | Adam Politzer | I can clear with that and just wanted to clarify that it is living in two different projects. the Public Works Director came forward and with the sewer improvement there on Humboldt Avenue, that included the pedestrian and bicycle facilities. and we got direction from Council to come back with how we're going to pay for it and what the improvements will look like. And that can either happen independently with the Golden Gate Ferry federal grant, the $4.2 million, or it can be part of the sewer improvement project on Humboldt Avenue. So I agree, you can remove it because it's going to happen in either one of those. It'll come forward in either one of those processes independently. |
| 03:41:17.58 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:41:17.62 | Adam Politzer | That's right. |
| 03:41:17.64 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:41:18.07 | Adam Politzer | in your capital plan. |
| 03:41:19.15 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:41:20.12 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:41:20.13 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:41:20.15 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:41:20.18 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:41:20.25 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:41:20.69 | Ray Withy | All right, so then let's vote to move it. you All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. |
| 03:41:25.06 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:41:26.50 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. Mr. Mayor, I need a break. |
| 03:41:31.91 | Ray Withy | Well, we've got one more just to tackle the yellow. |
| 03:41:34.92 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 03:41:38.22 | Ray Withy | All right, so go ahead and take your break. you Those are the breaks. Prepare Climate Action Plan for Assembly Bill AB 32. Liberation. |
| 03:41:49.02 | Thomas Theodores | on. I would add, reword this, because I don't even remember, frankly, what the climate action plan that that consult, I don't even remember what the, this is different than the ICLEI Thank you. you But is it just AB 32 or is it SB 375 as well? lumped together. you |
| 03:42:09.44 | Adam Politzer | together. |
| 03:42:10.12 | Thomas Theodores | Leave it. |
| 03:42:10.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:11.01 | Adam Politzer | but we can come back with clarification on this one and leave it on. |
| 03:42:13.27 | Thomas Theodores | Don't leave it on. |
| 03:42:15.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:15.40 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 03:42:15.64 | Adam Politzer | All right. |
| 03:42:15.65 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:42:17.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:17.51 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, no, I can't. |
| 03:42:17.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:17.96 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, no, I can't. |
| 03:42:19.16 | Adam Politzer | That's just stuff. |
| 03:42:19.97 | Unknown | find it a little bit better. |
| 03:42:21.19 | Ray Withy | All right, so we agreed. All in favor? Aye. Aye. And Linda said her vote was no. |
| 03:42:21.20 | Unknown | MR. |
| 03:42:21.91 | Unknown | All right, okay. |
| 03:42:28.46 | Ray Withy | Okay. Is that it for that? Okay, seconds out. |
| 03:42:33.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:35.12 | Unknown | Don't mess with her. She'll let me know the wrong one, believe me. |
| 03:42:36.07 | Unknown | All right. to let me know more. |
| 03:42:40.71 | Unknown | It's the same thing. |
| 03:42:41.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:42.75 | Unknown | you |
| 03:42:42.84 | Unknown | this because it's now. Thank you. |
| 03:42:45.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:45.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:45.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:45.77 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:42:49.72 | Ray Withy | So where do we go down the... Private use of public, local lands, underwater streets, developed policy. |
| 03:42:56.24 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. All right, so if you want to rephrase this, rephrase it to say, I will rephrase it and say, wait a second. |
| 03:43:03.76 | Unknown | We're going to be right back. |
| 03:43:04.05 | Unknown | phrases. |
| 03:43:04.45 | Unknown | I say, wait a second. |
| 03:43:06.72 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:43:08.66 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:43:08.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:09.03 | Thomas Theodores | I know, I'm always there with her. She's on my case. I'll rephrase it to develop policy |
| 03:43:09.64 | Unknown | I know, I'm always there with her. |
| 03:43:11.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:11.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:24.79 | Thomas Theodores | and implement legislation. for underwater streets. |
| 03:43:39.39 | Thomas Theodores | Is that clearer? |
| 03:43:41.55 | Mary Wagner | I think it's good that it's broad. It gives you more options. |
| 03:43:46.22 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:43:48.02 | Ray Withy | All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? |
| 03:43:58.25 | Ray Withy | Okay, moving right along, trees and views update the regulations. |
| 03:44:03.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:44:04.02 | Ray Withy | Just kidding. |
| 03:44:04.50 | Ray Withy | combined |
| 03:44:05.03 | Ray Withy | Combine those two, is what we said. All right? I'm in favor of combining the two. Yeah. |
| 03:44:05.09 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:44:11.57 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:44:12.04 | Thomas Theodores | Opposed? |
| 03:44:12.76 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:44:13.90 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. No, no. Update the regulations. Just do the one above it. Update the regulations and enforcement section of the treaty. Right. Yeah. |
| 03:44:20.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:44:20.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:44:24.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:44:29.32 | Thomas Theodores | Well, yeah, we said that. You know where you're going. You know where. All the enforcement section. Aye. Aye. Okay. Opposed. Okay, so it's 11 o'clock. So here's my suggestion. |
| 03:44:30.23 | Unknown | You know where you're going. I. |
| 03:44:40.86 | Thomas Theodores | We haven't talked about anything from Council, right? Right. So I would continue this particular exercise, move on to the bike stuff. This is item number. And if we have to... Stay and finish it. No, I mean continue it. It's 11 o'clock. I would continue it until the next meeting in terms of |
| 03:45:05.23 | Ray Withy | Well, let's see how quick we go through this. If we should link it, then we won't. |
| 03:45:10.70 | Thomas Theodores | Well, you can't...Mary, technically can we...No, Adam, don't trust what he says because he had to do that before. Can we continue this item and take the bike item, Mary, from here? Can we continue this item to some after item? |
| 03:45:17.33 | Unknown | before. |
| 03:45:17.97 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:45:34.32 | Thomas Theodores | 6E. |
| 03:45:35.18 | Mary Wagner | Yes. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:45:38.22 | Thomas Theodores | See, he lied before. No, he didn't lie. He just wouldn't let us do it. We're going to continue tonight. |
| 03:45:38.93 | Unknown | Thank you. See, he like... But... He didn't lie. He just... |
| 03:45:43.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:45:43.32 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:45:44.18 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:45:44.19 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:45:44.23 | Unknown | We're going to continue tonight. |
| 03:45:48.09 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:45:48.44 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 03:45:49.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:45:49.19 | Unknown | to the next episode. Thank you. |
| 03:45:50.18 | Ray Withy | Yes. Yes. Item D. Do you need a break? I think we should have a break and I think we should wait for Councilman to take a reply. |
| 03:45:52.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:45:52.95 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:45:52.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:45:52.99 | Unknown | See you. |
| 03:45:53.07 | Unknown | I mean, I'm not. |
| 03:45:53.25 | Unknown | I'm going to go. |
| 03:45:53.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:45:56.80 | Thomas Theodores | You have to take a new item. Yeah. Thank you. Let's come back by 11. |
| 03:45:59.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:45:59.08 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:45:59.21 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:45:59.51 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:45:59.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:46:00.66 | Unknown | those kids. |
| 03:46:02.72 | Thomas Theodores | All right. Sorry. |
| 03:46:03.80 | Unknown | So, |
| 03:46:10.70 | Ray Withy | Chief Tejada and Jonathan Goldman. |
| 03:46:15.85 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just, without any further ado, would like to introduce Chief DeHanna. |
| 03:46:27.09 | Unknown | Why, thank you, Mr. Goldman. |
| 03:46:35.97 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. Thank you. |
| 03:46:41.09 | Unknown | Well, good evening. It's almost good morning, but still good evening. Um... As always, it's my pleasure to present before you tonight. Before we get into this, I just want to preface it by saying that It's time for action. I've been here for a little over two years and I've experienced two summers here and And The situation down at the ferry landing has continued to cause me concern as your Chief of Police. And the primary reason I am here tonight, and I want you to keep that in mind when you look at options and what I'm showing you, is that as your chief of police, it's time for me to step in and take action. And action may take different forms, but this summer I am dedicated to not letting mayhem continue at the ferry landing because statistics show us we're going to get more people this summer, and we have an obligation and I have an obligation as your Chief of Police to maintain safety and order in that area. So with that, we will take you on a journey. This was before my time. And we were expecting people to come visit us. We were saying, come here, Sausalito is a great place. Come and visit us. And they did. And ridership and conservative estimate is 3% per year, but depending on who you speak to, it is as much as 10%. But we know it's increasing. |
| 03:48:38.90 | Unknown | This is when the situation is under control. So before I got here, under the direction of Traffic Safety Officer Weiner, |
| 03:48:53.67 | Unknown | This plan was put in place, and this plan was adequate to accommodate the volume of cyclists coming in from San Francisco to park their bikes and find their way to the ferry without causing, as you can see in the right-hand picture, without causing any concern about pedestrian, vehicle, bicycle, interaction in the street. So that's when it was under control, and that was before my time. |
| 03:49:24.06 | Unknown | Since then, the business of renting bicycles has grown significantly. We started out working, I say we, my predecessors and then I when I first got here, started out working with three bicycle, three main bicycle companies, those three. |
| 03:49:48.02 | Unknown | These people have been added to the list. We're already looking at increased numbers of bicycles and companies to deal with. And this is what we have in the picture on the right. As these companies and tourists increased, so did the volume of cyclists in that area. |
| 03:50:13.43 | Thomas Theodores | Should we hold our questions until the end or should we? |
| 03:50:16.24 | Unknown | Yes, please. |
| 03:50:21.20 | Unknown | And this is what we are looking at today. So you tell me. Is that a bicycle way? Is that a vehicle right-of-way or is that a pedestrian right-of-way? Because I can't tell. Oops. Wow, they're in the middle of the street. They're blocking the crosswalk. They're blocking traffic. There's a car there. I don't know. And that's our challenge. And that's why I'm here tonight. |
| 03:50:55.33 | Unknown | They're queuing up in the street because there's no room for them to queue with the current volume that comes in for each ferry departure. But who has the right of way there? |
| 03:51:10.20 | Unknown | The hotel patrons can't get into their hotels. Taxis have a hard time getting in there. These tourists, essentially, and Mark from In Above the Tides said it. They really don't pay attention to anything else. When you ask them to move, they just sort of look at you like you're speaking a foreign language, and I guess we might be in most cases. But it usually takes a uniformed person to create order down there. And as you've heard from me before, I don't have the resources to station someone down here on a regular basis. So what steps did we take to date? We had the bicycle companies, mostly Blazing Saddles, bring a bicycle reservation system to the table, and that helped mitigate some of the anxiety of the tourists about whether or not they were going to be able to catch a ferry. They knew beforehand, their ferry is at 2, my ferry is at 3, and they could go off and shop. So it was one way of mitigating the congregating tourists at the ferry landing. We also had Thank you. have occasionally a bicycle coordinator, somebody from Blazing Saddles, who comes and assists with the reservation system and managing the crowds. Line monitors. You've probably met Sherry at the ferry landing. The Golden Gate Ferry supplies her. She does a fabulous job. She's perfect for that. She's no problem telling people what to do and to get in line and to keep the lines flowing. And it was working well the first year. Last year it became a little bit more overwhelming and we expect it to be much the same. Because I didn't have any resources in-house to dedicate to this, I came up with this idea of an ambassador program last year, and the ambassadors are volunteers, and their job is to maintain traffic flow in that area, keep the cyclists off the street, keep the pedestrians out of the street, and make sure that things were moving along. It's an unreliable workforce. When it was there, it worked somewhat, but a great idea, but no money behind it, and I can't force volunteers into a work schedule. but When they came, they did their job and they were ambassadors. They really were a positive for that area. We also did taxi company outreach and asked them to put bicycle racks on their cars so that those people who didn't want to wait for a ferry could get a ride back to San Francisco or people who have missed a ferry could get a ride back with their bikes. So that helped a little bit. And then we continued to meet with the ferry companies and the bicycle companies, engaging them and getting them to take ownership of this. Because really, at the end of the day, it's their patrons that we're dealing with. So that's part of our journey. We're not there yet. We haven't arrived at an agreement of, what that ownership looks like, but that is on the table. And so we've run out of room. We've run out of room and the street has become... the parking lot for bicycles. The reservation system works, but sometimes the bicycle company person is not there. I don't have control over that. Sometimes that person is late, and if they're even an hour late, we've lost the battle. The crowds have already gathered, We might as well send the person home because the crowds have already gathered, and we just have to continue the day with this mayhem, we'll call it, since I'm at a loss for words. So here it is. This is the safety issue for me, is that we have bicycles, we have pedestrians, and we have cars in that area. And they're all sharing a space, and nobody is really... it. safe from being victimized by running into a I'm a cyclist hitting a pedestrian. car hitting a cyclist, car hitting a pedestrian, Um, It's a huge safety concern for me. So what are the solutions in addition to the things that we already have in place? We sat at the table. We've come up with several solutions that are temporary. So I don't want you to feel like this is permanent. These are temporary because between now and the middle of May, I need to know that you understand the severity of the issue and that I'm going to take action. And it could be any one of these, depending on the circumstances. So we'll just run through them. Jonathan was great in providing the aerial pictures and doing the graphs so that we could have a visual of what this would look like. So again, this is temporary, this is a pilot traffic safety program, and any one of these could come into play at any time during the summer, depending on the circumstances. Closure of Tracy Way during the peak rental season. And so that would give us extensive bicycle parking and would dedicate that area to bike parking just for the high tourist season. There are negatives because we lose some parking spaces and the ability of traffic to exit that area through Tracy Way. But it's hard to determine what revenue would be lost in parking because if somebody doesn't find parking there, they're probably going to move to the next lot and find parking. So it's really... That's a moving target. It's hard for us to determine even if there would be any revenue in parking. It would make El Portal a two-way street. So it would be sort of European with a little roundabout at the end. And, um, |
| 03:57:57.95 | Ray Withy | You want to clear that, that would be two ways for for the hotels. Or would it be like 11 o'clock in the, up till 11 o'clock in the morning for service vehicles to come in and operate? |
| 03:58:14.02 | Unknown | This would be all day. So if this were the closure of Tracy Way, El Portal would not be closed. It would be two-way traffic while Tracy Way is closed, and traffic exiting out of El Portal would have to make a right-hand turn. There would be no left-hand turn. Again, it's just, One of the solutions that we're looking at, we are limited in what we can do, so these are variations of this. This is the one where we limit access to Alpertel. We allow, because the bicycles don't come into town until midday, So El Pratol would be open in the mornings for deliveries and guests to check into the hotel. and then close during our high volume of tourists on bikes and then open again in the evening. It really isn't the most ideal one because creates confusion. Is El Portal open? Do I, can I take a right-hand turn in there? Do I not? For people who regularly drive through Sausalito, it would require people to move the barricades to close it off. but it does create a controlled environment for us, and that's what I'm trying to get to. This one is an attractive idea. It takes the parking spaces on Tracy and dedicates those to bicycles instead of vehicles. It, of course, has the least impact to traffic. It doesn't change traffic flow at all. just contains all the bicycle parking in one area. The one concern is when the bikes are parking, Thank you. Are they still going to be in the street trying to navigate into those spaces because we'll have to have a barricade of some sort, or what do you call them, to divide? K-Rails. K-Rails. To protect the cyclists from moving traffic. |
| 04:00:30.69 | Unknown | This is another option. This is one where the cyclists would... This is the one over by the parking booth, right? Yeah. So this is the one where the cyclists would travel down Tracy Way and turn into the parking lot where the first temporary bathrooms were, which is currently dedicated to bicycle parking. That would be moved to the side. They would just ride down Tracy, ride into the lot at that access point, and we would take those small vehicle spaces on the left as you go in there, and dedicate those to bike parking. And when I talk about the new bike parking spaces, I'm saying it in the context of moving all the other ones from immediately in front of the ferry landing. So it cleans out that area and we don't get the congestion there. I think there are four permanent bike racks in that area that would stay. The rest are portable and we would just move them all out of there. |
| 04:01:40.18 | Unknown | the area in front of the kiosk. So right now that's full, and we took over parking spaces there. |
| 04:01:50.29 | Thomas Theodores | I'm trying to get my head around what you're saying. So this piece at the bottom right corner, is that the piece where you're talking about? because you've got the little dink, I don't even know what those are. |
| 04:01:59.20 | Ray Withy | I know what those are. |
| 04:01:59.75 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:01:59.92 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:02:00.28 | Unknown | be rash. Thank you. |
| 04:02:01.14 | Thomas Theodores | So can we ask questions? |
| 04:02:01.14 | Ray Withy | So can we ask questions? |
| 04:02:02.57 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 04:02:03.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:04.80 | Unknown | I'm just trying to follow what she's... If you came in through... Wait, hold on a minute. |
| 04:02:07.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:07.65 | Unknown | you |
| 04:02:07.82 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. So the bikes come in down here, and there's parking there. Yeah. OK. So that we took over. |
| 04:02:17.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:18.22 | Unknown | We took over parking spaces here to accommodate those bike racks. So those parking spaces would be returned to the parking lot and we would take not all of them, |
| 04:02:23.14 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:02:23.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:31.09 | Unknown | We would take the small car ones at the north end of the lot and dedicate those to bicycles. There's one nice advantage of doing this that I like, and that is that we have traffic flow I can't see on this. Coming down Tracy Way and then it flows into the lot and then back around so it's one directional. |
| 04:02:58.26 | Thomas Theodores | on the sidewalk they would queue? No. Mm-mm, I wouldn't say that one, would she say? |
| 04:03:00.74 | Unknown | Mm-mm. |
| 04:03:01.58 | Jonathon Goldman | You guys love it. |
| 04:03:03.81 | Unknown | No, come through the parking lot, come back through the parking lot, never go back out on the street. |
| 04:03:08.94 | Ray Withy | She's saying go down, Tracy. |
| 04:03:10.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:10.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:10.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:10.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:10.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:10.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:11.03 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:03:11.15 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:03:11.34 | Thomas Theodores | Come on, man. So where would the queue to the ferry for the bikes be? |
| 04:03:18.05 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Same place it is now. |
| 04:03:20.25 | Thomas Theodores | So the little concrete pots that are over here with the trees would stay? So you'd park over there, but then you'd have to go get your bike and queue here. How would that help the queue from flowing into the street? |
| 04:03:24.67 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:03:30.49 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:03:34.47 | Unknown | because you're not parking everybody right in front of the queuing area. You're moving them. |
| 04:03:39.82 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 04:03:40.77 | Unknown | Because right now everybody pulls in there thinking they're going to find parking there because they see the other bikes parked there. |
| 04:03:47.75 | Thomas Theodores | Gotcha. |
| 04:03:52.33 | Unknown | So this one also utilizes some of the parking spaces in Lot 1, and it is the area to immediately to the left as you walk into Lot 1 from Tracy. So it's where the bikes come in now, and then they would take a left turn, and they would have rows, racks of bicycle parking right there. So these are the options. |
| 04:04:28.42 | Unknown | Oops. Thank you. Thank you Debbie. |
| 04:04:37.26 | Unknown | So these are the options that come into play. So the least impactful ones are the ones where we to traffic are the ones where we go into lot one and switch from vehicle parking to bicycle parking. So we still are maintaining a parking function in the lots. We're just moving bicycle parking from one area to another. Depending on the day, If we have 2,000, if I don't do any of these, and there are 2,000 or 1,000 bicyclists milling around downtown like we've seen last year, I may very well close El Portal. until we mitigate that problem. So you may see that happen because we can't have that situation continue. It would be a temporary maybe one hour, two hour closure. and we'd have to staff it with officers, but that's an option. And I think that concludes that part of the presentation. |
| 04:05:44.83 | Thomas Theodores | What's your recommendation? |
| 04:05:46.87 | Unknown | All of those. |
| 04:05:48.29 | Unknown | give her the choice. |
| 04:05:50.82 | Unknown | In other words, I'm not here tonight to ask permission to do the first one. because this is a safety issue, and I don't know that the first one is gonna mitigate an issue that occurs next month. |
| 04:06:07.24 | Thomas Theodores | Can I ask a question now? Yeah. Okay. So, You said that in 09 we had 840,000 bikes. |
| 04:06:18.89 | Ray Withy | No, not by the steps. It's coming for me passengers also. |
| 04:06:22.65 | Thomas Theodores | How many bikes did you... How many bikes do we get per year then? Is it 33,000 still? |
| 04:06:29.99 | Ray Withy | Do you know what that number is? We have approximately 320,000 bikes that come into Sausalito and approximately 75 to 85% of them go back by ferry. |
| 04:06:30.01 | Thomas Theodores | Do you know what that number is? |
| 04:06:39.03 | Unknown | Bye. And that's a conservative number. Those are only... Well, it's going to go on. |
| 04:06:42.04 | Ray Withy | THE FAMILY. Well, it's going to go up because the amounts are going up now, too. |
| 04:06:47.47 | Thomas Theodores | So 370,000 coming in. And that is increasing. I recall my short-term memory, 3% increase per year projected. And I recall 10 new bicycle rental companies having been added, correct? Okay, in the last two years? I think so. Okay, so I guess my question, and it's not really a question for Chief Tejada, it's a question to, I guess, city management and this council. |
| 04:07:11.52 | Unknown | I think so. |
| 04:07:25.69 | Thomas Theodores | which is If we're looking at 370,000, And we certainly didn't have that number when I was first elected in 08. and we're looking at all these increases in more companies, where's the limit? A million? 1.2. |
| 04:07:44.39 | Unknown | No. |
| 04:07:44.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:44.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:45.02 | Thomas Theodores | 500,000? |
| 04:07:46.42 | Unknown | you Look at baby. No. |
| 04:07:48.12 | Thomas Theodores | My question is, we're looking at, I'm hearing that we might lose a street in downtown Sausalito. Thank you. |
| 04:07:58.19 | Thomas Theodores | to what's your |
| 04:07:58.84 | Thomas Theodores | It, it, for, for, for, to accommodate numbers that we've already learned are, this is going to be insufficient if those numbers keep increasing. And yet, What we should be looking at in my opinion is is taking hard steps to start to mitigate this increasing population. We need to look at strategies like levying fees or I don't know, looking at benchmarking other cities and seeing how they've been able to control this sort of thing because I know that there's one person in town who has a whole business built around picking up bikes. I mean, if all those bikes were gone and we just had the people walking around, it wouldn't be as big of an issue. And yet he's, I've sent emails to meet about this, you know, and talk about this. He said he's, you know, ready to go. I think there are options out there. I can't even get a bicycle and pedestrian committee established. I'm. And now I'm here and we're looking at some very radical things that will have very negative impact on on, um, on the, frankly, what attracts people to come to downtown Sausalito. its character, its quaintness, its charm, and we're losing more parking spaces to bicycles. And instead we should be looking at ways to put a cap on these numbers. |
| 04:09:44.56 | Jonathon Goldman | How would you accomplish that? |
| 04:09:46.25 | Thomas Theodores | For starters, we would establish a bicycle pedestrian committee of residents who would explore strategies. Because frankly… |
| 04:09:55.26 | Thomas Theodores | Because frankly... You're really good up here, you're not so good down here. |
| 04:09:56.78 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. No, I'm not. No, I am good down here, Jonathan. Let's hear the down here. Jonathan, you've been in charge of... |
| 04:10:00.03 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 04:10:00.08 | Thomas Theodores | Let's hear the down here. |
| 04:10:01.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:10:04.67 | Thomas Theodores | You and Herb, you put Herb in charge of bikes in 2009. You have, okay. |
| 04:10:09.03 | Ray Withy | by the government. |
| 04:10:11.68 | Thomas Theodores | When, when, when. This has been the status quo since 2008 and we have seen the bicycles explode. in town with new companies explode. I want to see a bicycle and pedestrian committee established, and I want that committee established, and I want them to be able to explore strategies that have not been explored in this council. |
| 04:10:23.08 | Craig Severance | with new |
| 04:10:33.11 | Thomas Theodores | that have not been exposed. Good talking, but no ideas. Thank you. |
| 04:10:39.81 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:10:39.81 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 04:10:39.82 | Thomas Theodores | No action. |
| 04:10:39.98 | Adam Politzer | If I can just interject here and ask, to go back to asking questions of staff and then the discussion that you're having now can |
| 04:10:41.75 | Thomas Theodores | or checked here and ask the |
| 04:10:44.03 | Peter Romanowski | I'm floating. |
| 04:10:45.00 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:10:46.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:10:46.17 | Peter Romanowski | Go ahead. |
| 04:10:46.54 | Thomas Theodores | you. |
| 04:10:46.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:10:50.86 | Adam Politzer | be placed when council deliberation and comment happens. So if there are questions, Thank you. for the chief or for our public works director. This is a good opportunity, otherwise, to So... Mark is still here. You still have a member of the public that may want to be heard. And Vicki is here as well. |
| 04:11:11.97 | Ray Withy | I have a couple of questions. If you close Tracy Way, what are the number of parking spaces you lose? It's just the street meters, isn't it? |
| 04:11:30.16 | Mary Wagner | 14. |
| 04:11:30.79 | Ray Withy | 14, okay. |
| 04:11:32.76 | Mary Wagner | Okay. |
| 04:11:38.16 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:11:38.18 | Ray Withy | That's Tracy Way at 14. |
| 04:11:41.77 | Ray Withy | I didn't catch the response. Did you have a recommendation of which of these options? Or you may use more than one, but I wasn't sure where you would start and what you recommend that we do or what you are going to do. |
| 04:11:57.95 | Unknown | I think to start because we don't really have the big problem right now. So going into one of the parking lot, I think, is probably the best place to start and start small and see how that helps us get those cyclists off the street. It's the least impactful to traffic flow. |
| 04:12:18.04 | Ray Withy | It's the best. |
| 04:12:21.58 | Ray Withy | putting them in the north part of Lot 1. |
| 04:12:25.95 | Unknown | either there or the spaces directly behind Tracy. |
| 04:12:29.06 | Unknown | directly behind Tracy. No, no, but where do they, how do they... Behind Tracy. That's the problem. |
| 04:12:35.03 | Thomas Theodores | back. |
| 04:12:35.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:12:35.92 | Thomas Theodores | So the The bike parking, again, I asked this question before. So with that, I'll go back to that. I'm not sure that solves your problem. Obviously, you're going to have to maintain public safety, blah, blah, blah, blah. So you're going to do what you need to do in the moment, right? But as far as like, hey, let's try this first as a normal course of action. So this, the north, the small vehicle parking here. |
| 04:12:38.37 | Craig Severance | Yeah. |
| 04:12:59.57 | Thomas Theodores | So, the queue. you just should, you know, this is a problem with the sun exploding in Charliewood. If you present the sun exploding, you're going to get a lot of weird comments. So the cue, is still going to pour out into the street, right? Is the problem, was the problem that you couldn't, that this stretch from the end of those bushes along the parking lot to the south was not long enough to hold the queue, or was it because there were also bikes parked in there that it couldn't hold the queue? May I? |
| 04:13:33.03 | Jonathon Goldman | Let me see if I can help with that. First of all, the... |
| 04:13:42.01 | Thomas Theodores | If we're worried about people in the street with a bike. I understand. |
| 04:13:44.28 | Jonathon Goldman | With a bike? I understand. Okay. And I'm just not entirely coherent at this hour, so you have to bear with me. |
| 04:13:49.62 | Thomas Theodores | So you don't have to bear with me. Well, I'm that way all the time. |
| 04:13:52.25 | Jonathon Goldman | The... |
| 04:13:55.49 | Thomas Theodores | You're better off than me. |
| 04:13:56.70 | Jonathon Goldman | the, uh, The easiest to implement and smallest footprint alternative is actually not the small car spaces up here. It's spaces that are currently occupied by disabled vehicles and other parking in lot 1 fronting Tracy Way. And the small footprint represents the 10 racks that are currently located in the ten movable racks that are currently located within the queuing area. |
| 04:14:04.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:14:04.89 | Unknown | of the |
| 04:14:05.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:14:05.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:14:05.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:14:29.49 | Jonathon Goldman | So if we take those racks out and take these spaces, we gain additional queuing area off the street because there's no longer bike racks in there and parking there. So in the short term, that opportunity increases the capacity for storage of people waiting for the ferry with their bicycles off the street. If, in fact, that isn't adequate for queuing, then what happens, as has happened in the past, is we do have all this sidewalk area along Tracy Way. And at times in the past, that has wrapped around onto Anchor. That doesn't address where those additional bicycles will be parked. We have the option of extending this. This was one of the other alternatives, taking more vehicle parking spaces out of Lot 1 or using existing alternate locations, the official vehicle parking space, the plaza in front of Bank of America, and then |
| 04:15:15.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:15:15.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:15:37.85 | Jonathon Goldman | taking on-street parking spaces on Tracy Way, and then ultimately potentially closing Tracy Way entirely and just filling that space with bike ramp. |
| 04:15:48.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:15:48.62 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:15:48.72 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:15:48.86 | Ray Withy | Can I make one comment just so you understand? If you take all the 10 bike racks out of lot one the way it's positioned now, |
| 04:15:48.92 | Unknown | you |
| 04:15:48.97 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:15:57.09 | Thomas Theodores | inside the triangle. |
| 04:15:58.52 | Ray Withy | where they're waiting now. |
| 04:15:59.84 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 04:16:00.21 | Ray Withy | with a cue now. If you take that out, you can, from the boarding on the gangplank, all the way back there. Now with those racks out, you could almost put 200 bites, which is enough to fill the next ferry, so you now don't have them overflowing into the street because they have no right to be in the street because the ferry is locked in now. In other words, blue and gold will only take 150 bikes |
| 04:16:26.25 | Thomas Theodores | So, |
| 04:16:30.52 | Thomas Theodores | I'm just not trying to be difficult, though I usually am. So people, and it's surprising that the Europeans will queue, frankly, at all. Well, don't queue, but it might be a word in front of it. Go ahead. Well, that's what I'm saying. So you're going to have a big, it won't be two by twos like you were showing. I mean, I'm not there every weekend, so I can't say, and since last summer, I've forgotten my visuals of what the big crowds are like. But so they're going to have, you're going to have this sort of, you know, ten wide at this end filtering down to, and you think that people aren't going to, like, kill each other or whatever. |
| 04:16:33.02 | Ray Withy | I'm just going to say, Yeah. |
| 04:16:35.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:16:35.41 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:16:35.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:16:35.70 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 04:16:43.36 | Ray Withy | It might be a thing. Right. |
| 04:16:45.37 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:17:07.63 | Ray Withy | No, because they have a chip that gives them the reservation. If you don't have, like the red chip will be indicated for the 210 ferry. If you don't have that chip, you have no right being in that queuing area. |
| 04:17:19.54 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. We call it the reassurance check. |
| 04:17:22.68 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, you follow me? And so your conversations with the bike companies are, you're going to have to give us people to make sure anybody in this line has a chip. You know, like that's where you're sort of headed in some of your conversations. |
| 04:17:34.06 | Unknown | That's what they do. now. |
| 04:17:35.67 | Thomas Theodores | No, I know, but I mean like you're saying some days they don't come or they're late or whatever. |
| 04:17:35.71 | Unknown | you |
| 04:17:35.76 | Ray Withy | No, I know. |
| 04:17:39.71 | Ray Withy | what happens is they try to squeeze in, so they put a tour at 10.30, so they don't get over here until 11.30. But if, see, so we're telling them that doesn't work because once you get 50 bites in there, |
| 04:17:54.64 | Unknown | you |
| 04:17:55.01 | Ray Withy | without any reservation, you now Can't take them. You can't because now you're going to run around for those 50. So it's impossible, it doesn't work. Look, my biggest comment to everybody that, you know, I've really worked on this and attempted to make be anticipating the next move. There's no question in my mind El Portal. is the most dangerous street that we have in this city during the summer months. You can't, if you leave that open, you're gonna have shuttles, you're gonna have the big buses go down there, because who's gonna stand down there and tell them they can't go? All right? And they go down that street. And the other thing to keep in mind is that 40% of the automobiles that go down El Portel and Tracy Way are trying to get into Lot 1. All right? In other words, they look in there, and they think, if I take a right, then it takes me right into the lot. We've observed this. So then they go down, and I'll point down. Yes, go ahead. |
| 04:18:47.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:18:48.07 | Craig Severance | In other words, |
| 04:18:48.39 | Unknown | So... |
| 04:18:49.03 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 04:18:56.03 | Thomas Theodores | So, |
| 04:18:56.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:18:58.13 | Thomas Theodores | Mayor Weiner, you said that El Pertel is the most dangerous street. Yeah. I wonder if we compared bicycle accident records to, from between El Patel and South Street in Alexander and Main Street in the southern area. |
| 04:19:14.17 | Ray Withy | in the southern area. I just told you there was one reported bicycle accident from February 1 to March 22. Okay, you've got... |
| 04:19:25.21 | Thomas Theodores | And how many in El Portel? |
| 04:19:27.93 | Ray Withy | How many? You could see them come in all the time because they're late. |
| 04:19:31.25 | Thomas Theodores | So many accidents. |
| 04:19:33.01 | Ray Withy | Ask her. |
| 04:19:35.01 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:19:35.03 | Unknown | I don't have that figured out. |
| 04:19:36.16 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I'm just saying, Mr. Mayor, all due respect, |
| 04:19:36.18 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:19:42.31 | Thomas Theodores | In my opinion, the most dangerous stretch for cyclists, rental bikes especially, is the South Street, Alexander Main Street. That's a very dangerous area. |
| 04:19:56.67 | Ray Withy | I'm not denying that it's not dangerous. I'm just telling you, |
| 04:19:56.75 | Thomas Theodores | I'm not denying it. |
| 04:19:59.74 | Ray Withy | The numbers, last year there were approximately six or seven reported accidents at the south end of town for 320,000 bikes coming in. Well, you do the percentage and you find out that's less than a half percent. |
| 04:20:13.17 | Thomas Theodores | My point was to compare El Portal to South |
| 04:20:16.06 | Ray Withy | Yes, but you're not comparing a difference. Now you're going to put buses, shuttles, and automobiles in a street where pedestrians and bicycles are totally taken over. Okay? |
| 04:20:30.04 | Unknown | So, Mr. Mayor, can I... I think we just have a difference of opinion |
| 04:20:30.80 | Thomas Theodores | I think we just have a difference of opinion on this. I have another question for Chief Tejada if I may. |
| 04:20:33.25 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:20:33.33 | Unknown | . |
| 04:20:33.37 | Ray Withy | And... |
| 04:20:37.64 | Thomas Theodores | Is it, and actually I'm not sure if it's for Chief Tejada, is it legal? I mean, I understand in an emergency, you know, uh, riots or whatnot to close the street for safety issues. But in a situation like this where we know predictably that there are populations coming on a regular basis, and this is something that is being actually proposed as a strategy. Is it legal? to close a street. Is it legal? |
| 04:21:11.25 | Adam Politzer | I'll answer that and say yes, because we do it for special events. |
| 04:21:11.39 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 04:21:15.86 | Thomas Theodores | Yes, but this is something that We're talking about adopting a |
| 04:21:19.24 | Adam Politzer | talking about adopting as... Just responding to your question, it's predictable. So what the Chief is saying is that because we know we're going to have a large audience come to our town, like to the art festival, or the Caledonia Street Fair or the pancake breakfast, we're recommending that we have the flexibility to do any one of these four things. And if it gets to the point where you have, you know, this image, then the chief has the authority to close the street because of public safety. We're looking at how do we control it since we can predict that we're going to have 300 thousand plus people come to town. How are we going to provide safe parking and access to the ferry. |
| 04:22:08.58 | Thomas Theodores | So you're basically treating downtown Sausalito as an event that is happening possibly every weekend in the summer, and using that as the rationale to close Tracy Way. |
| 04:22:21.82 | Adam Politzer | I'm just responding to your Question. and giving an example of why we are allowed to close the street and that it's legal to close the street. by using an example of a special event. |
| 04:22:34.75 | Thomas Theodores | So here is another question then. Is it legal and does it pass the legal smell test to treat downtown Sausalito as an event to build the rationale to close Tracy Way? continuously, because what's being proposed here is closing Tracy Way and setting up bike racks So, you know, and what I'm hearing though is, well, we're treating it as if it's an event, like the art festival, and that's the rationale we're using. |
| 04:23:08.48 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think you're taking the words out of contact there. We are saying that the city has the responsibility to make sure that we provide a safe safe access to the parking lot to use of the sidewalks. and access to the ferry. And if it requires us to close the street, then we are authorized to do just that. What we are bringing forward tonight is not to treat this as a special event, is to ask the Council if they have a preference on any of those options, But as the Chief says, necessarily asking permission. We're saying we're going to have to, for crowd control purposes, look at changing how we're using this area in its presence. in its present situation, to accommodate the amount of people that are both in cars. on bikes. and on foot. And so these options are what we have brought forward If the council have other that they would like to share tonight. This is a great opportunity. give the public would like to share ideas via email or in person, They have access to me, the Chief, the Public Works Director, and can share solutions to tell us that we have a bike problem We all agree? We have a bike problem. |
| 04:24:30.83 | Unknown | Well, I've already... |
| 04:24:30.95 | Adam Politzer | We're looking for solutions and these are temporary solutions that may lead to more permanent solutions as we move towards the bicycle parking lot and pedestrian improvements that should come. out of the ferry project. |
| 04:24:44.65 | Thomas Theodores | And- And as you know, I've already made my recommendation, which is the the resident task force, which are which doesn't seem to be happening. And I think we have a bike congestion population problem because we have a number that is out of control and it keeps going up by the thousands Every year. And even if we block El Porto or Tracy Way, I don't see it as mitigating. The population will just expand to meet the space we provide, which is what has happened in the last four years. And I have another question about 11, ordinance 1128. Can we hold the count? |
| 04:25:18.56 | Thomas Theodores | And I have another question about 11. |
| 04:25:20.77 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 04:25:22.07 | Thomas Theodores | Can we hold the council questions for a while and take public comment? Well, I have a question. I know, but can we... |
| 04:25:26.13 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, I have a question. Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry, sure. |
| 04:25:37.96 | Mark | I know, my pumpkin awaits. I'm probably at the ferry landing more than Herb Weiner, but at the front lines of this problem, certainly safety is an issue. Safety for the pedestrians, safety for my staff that are coming in and out of our driveway, driving through this congested area. I'm sure that Chief Tejada and I kind of had a little chat before her presentation this evening. Every time that there's someone with a badge down there at the ferry landing, everyone seems to move out of the street, line up on the sidewalk. In my opinion, if we could time uh, some sort of police presence or parking control officer presence at the ferry landing just as an interim quick solution to get people to move out of the street and line up along Tracy Way and down our anchor way. That would be, that would go a long way to providing some additional safety. Some of the proposals, not particularly in favor of, I hate getting rid of parking spaces, especially in my, in lot one where we have 27 spaces that we use and pay for from the city. Hotel Sausalito also has 16 spaces in that space. So getting rid of some of those spaces is painful for us and it's also painful for the other merchants that depend on those parking spaces. Taking some of the metered spaces on Tracy, but keeping Tracy Way open. might be a solution. I think that it's better and safer to have a flow of traffic that's consistent and reliable. I'm worried that if you turn El Portal into a two-way street that you're going to have bikes coming down and cars going both ways and pedestrians wandering wherever they want to go. But I think that that is not a good solution for us, and I don't think it would be a safer solution. The other issue that I have in particular is the littering of bicycle racks everywhere at downtown. And I'm a little bit concerned with the idea of shutting down Tracy Way and just having bike rack after bike rack after bike rack. I have a very elegant hotel at the end of the street, and it doesn't really present very well to have all of this clutter of signage and bike racks and such. So I know that Herb's worked very hard to come to a solution. I know that we need to find a solution for this problem, which is, of course, growing. But I think we need to find a way to find the least amount of harm. that would be a good thing. to affect the businesses here in South Carolina who are paying taxes and renting spaces |
| 04:29:06.08 | Ray Withy | Let me ask you one quick question, Mark. Thank you. |
| 04:29:07.94 | Mark | Yeah. |
| 04:29:07.97 | Ray Withy | All right. |
| 04:29:08.04 | Mark | Thank you. |
| 04:29:08.12 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 04:29:08.21 | Mark | Thank you. |
| 04:29:08.26 | Ray Withy | Thank you. How would you feel if we totally blocked off Al Portel and Tracy Way? And your customers had to go into the parking lot. and not up to where they're able to go now. |
| 04:29:20.97 | Mark | You know, it's just, I don't think that it would be a great idea to block El Portal. I think not only will it create confusion for guests as to where they're supposed to go when they're coming into town, whether it be, you know, in the dark night or whatever, but it might even cause a big traffic jam on Bridgeway where people are driving down thinking, do I not take a ride? Where do I go? And when tourists are confused and they don't know where to go, they just stop. And we see that on Bridgeway all the time. So I'm a little bit concerned about that. |
| 04:30:03.74 | Ray Withy | You do realize, I mean you've been there long enough and I've been there long enough to realize That is not a solution. No, I agree. Okay. Even your customers can't get out there. |
| 04:30:12.89 | Mark | I agree. |
| 04:30:17.33 | Mark | No, and my staff is not able to move that line of bicycles. Exactly. They will not move. Exactly. |
| 04:30:17.70 | Ray Withy | And my staff is- |
| 04:30:21.99 | Ray Withy | Exactly. Exactly. And this is just not a Saturday and a Sunday event starting in May, late May. It's every day during the summer. Every single day. This is what you have. Right. Now, no one's going to convince me that you are going to put an automobile on that street. |
| 04:30:30.79 | Mark | It's every day during the summer. Right. |
| 04:30:42.25 | Ray Withy | safely, never mind limiting it. Now you're going to have a bus taking a turn You're going to have a shuttle bus. taking a turn or anybody else that wants to get in there. All right? On that street, trying to go through that. And that's the problem that we're going to face. No, I agree. |
| 04:31:01.02 | Mark | No, I agree that there are many, many problems. |
| 04:31:04.16 | Ray Withy | And I don't want, if anything, and I mentioned it to you before, even if it was going out. I don't want to confine your customer that they can't get down to El Portal. because As this goes on, unless we really figure this out correctly, This is going to be like this. And there is going to be someone that gets hurt. All right? And we don't want that on our shoulders, and we want to manage it. We don't want to control it. Once you start getting into controls, then it becomes heavy-handed. We want to manage these things. And that's why we've attempted to address, and that's why the Chief has come up in saying, Let's pilot these. Let's feel out which one will work or which one is better. but we have to take the first step I mean We're up now. We're almost up 10% of riders on bicycles now. And as you saw the list, that even hotels now in the city will bring the bicycle to you. And you could take your bicycle. So it's in, as Frommer's advertises it, more and more in Europe, It's the number one thing to do in San Francisco when you come is drive over the Golden Gate Bridge, That's the icon number one. And number two, take the ferry ride back. on the second most beautiful, voted the second most beautiful ride. And that's how they advertise it. It's up to us to make sure that that is delivered. All right? And the idea also, by the way, is The idea was to manage these bikes, that they don't get so frustrated that they now start heading back, to San Francisco on Bridgeway. All right? And as we go into the season, it was mentioned that we can't accommodate. Sure we can. We can handle up to 900 bikes to put on Tracy Way that could be parked. We have extra ferries. We have a ferry during the summertime that comes every half hour. You couldn't even squeeze another ferry in. with the conditions you have now. And on a busy day, we are able to handle 1,750 bikes. So we know what the maximums can be, but yet the safety now is outpouring because so many bikes, we want them off of Bridgeway. When they come down Bridgeway, I don't want them driving along Bridgeway. I want to capture them right in here, get their bikes placed, and let them walk around and spend money. |
| 04:33:44.87 | Mark | Well, |
| 04:33:45.18 | Ray Withy | So. |
| 04:33:45.78 | Mark | Another option for bike parking, I don't want to take up too much more time, but behind Bank of America, I know you have racks in front of Bank of America, but where the temporary public restroom was set up in those diagonal parking spaces, it's another option. It's a wider street than Tracy Way. |
| 04:33:49.92 | Ray Withy | No, no. |
| 04:33:50.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:33:58.54 | Jan Fidler | Bye. |
| 04:33:58.66 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 04:34:05.76 | Ray Withy | Yeah, but how do you queue them up? How do you get them from Bank of America down to the queuing area? Thank you. |
| 04:34:15.50 | Unknown | Well, at least you can set it white rats. |
| 04:34:15.69 | Ray Withy | And that's why it's very important that you have to have the zone, your parking zone, adjacent to where you're putting them on the ferry to make it work. I mean, We now know that we've gone into a priority system that we can work The only problem is We have not geared yet for the summertime, so what's happening now is when you come over with your bicycle by 2.30, you know what they tell you? You can't get on the 610 ferry. It's booked. And we don't take chips after 610. So you take your chance that you can get on the 720. And now we have the bike companies over there telling them, that if you don't get your bikes back by 7.30, you're going to pay an extra charge. All right. So we do have a dilemma. |
| 04:35:01.71 | Mark | Right. Are the bike companies at all interested in providing some sort of bike shuttle so that the people stay here but the bikes go back to San Francisco? |
| 04:35:09.79 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. The answer is yes, I asked that question, and they said yes. And at the time, I asked, Mr. Mayor, you remember this. Yeah. I asked if we were going to pursue that because it sounded like a good idea. And there's a resident here in town who has a business who would love to do that. I see. |
| 04:35:19.71 | Mark | Yeah. |
| 04:35:19.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:35:21.60 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 04:35:26.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:35:26.39 | Ray Withy | Sure. |
| 04:35:30.65 | Ray Withy | I spoke to him. He can only take the maximum 12 to 15 bikes at a time to go into the city. |
| 04:35:31.22 | Thomas Theodores | to pick those guys up. |
| 04:35:39.30 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:35:39.32 | Unknown | Any little bit is a help, Mr. Mayor. Councilmember Pfeiffer, if I could respond to that. It was, we did look at that last year, but his ability to transport large volumes of bicycles is very limited, and it would result in many round trips back and back to Sausalito to pick up the bikes, and the number he can take would not mitigate this problem at all. |
| 04:36:02.78 | Thomas Theodores | Well, we're talking 15, and then the bike companies also said when they were here, they said yes, they would be interested in coming here and picking up their bikes. And at the time I said, good, let's pursue that. And I made that point. And in fact I asked to be, you know, put on the part of the solution here the assignment to to mitigate the bike congestion that hasn't hit. |
| 04:36:31.46 | Unknown | It's a good idea. |
| 04:36:33.76 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:36:33.78 | Unknown | But one, there's no staging area available in this area for their trucks to pick up the bikes. And if one truck can pick up 15 bikes, think how many trucks it will take to come and take those bikes back to San Francisco. It's just a great idea, but we don't have... |
| 04:36:34.18 | Unknown | but Thank you. |
| 04:36:54.23 | Unknown | the the facility to accommodate it. |
| 04:36:57.32 | Thomas Theodores | Well, actually, there is a staging area that I'm, I mean, I'm not going to get into the nuts and bolts, but my point is it's never been explored. It was explored last summer. Well, it's, it, it, it, it, someone has talked to the bike owners and said how, what's, about picking up their bikes. |
| 04:37:07.37 | Unknown | Well, it's mine. |
| 04:37:13.84 | Unknown | We explored it and we were not able to come up with a viable plan to mitigate this. |
| 04:37:18.68 | Adam Politzer | when this. If I can just jump in when we also originally explored that. when we had the hearings here and the bike companies were here, the bicycle coalition was actually against it because it didn't promote non-motorized activity. It actually created a different problem. |
| 04:37:36.96 | Thomas Theodores | Well, the Bicycle Coalition may not have supported bike companies picking them up, but my personal opinion, yeah, I understand, my personal opinion is even if they're picking up 15 bikes, we've got three people, 15, 15, 30, 60, I think we should be pursuing these types of things. I think we should try it. |
| 04:37:58.07 | Ray Withy | First of all, if you picked up 15 bites and drove them over to San Francisco and dropped them off, you're looking at a time span of one and a half to two hours minimum. So how many 15 years? |
| 04:38:09.37 | Thomas Theodores | Well, you're assuming they have one truck for transportation. |
| 04:38:13.83 | Ray Withy | Transfer. |
| 04:38:15.99 | Thomas Theodores | Well, maybe we create a policy where they need to pick up their bikes. Mr. Mayor. |
| 04:38:17.03 | Ray Withy | Maybe we can. |
| 04:38:17.56 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 04:38:21.30 | Ray Withy | Mr. Mayor. Sorry. Mark, you've patiently sat here for four hours waiting for this. Is there anything else that you think that we should be thinking through here? |
| 04:38:36.41 | Mark | I can't add anything more to the discussion right now. |
| 04:38:41.54 | Thomas Theodores | Just to clarify, since you did bother to come and thank you for doing that, is of the alternatives that were presented, you think, in your opinion, which is very viable and very valued because of your contribution to the city in a lot of different ways, you |
| 04:38:45.53 | Donald Sibbitt | Thank you. |
| 04:38:45.55 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:38:46.13 | Mark | They all have to do. |
| 04:38:58.65 | Thomas Theodores | is that you try to use the parking lot first, and then if that doesn't work... No, he's against that because he would give up spaces. Oh, no, you didn't want to... That's why I'm glad I answered the question. If you had to use them at all. Right. |
| 04:39:04.76 | Mark | I would prefer to use the metered spaces first if you had to use them at all. Right, okay. And perhaps use the metered spaces behind Bank of America. |
| 04:39:09.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:39:10.04 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:39:10.17 | Ray Withy | you |
| 04:39:10.22 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:39:10.26 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:39:10.36 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:39:10.43 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 04:39:10.48 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 04:39:16.26 | Mark | in addition to maybe some area on Tracy Way. |
| 04:39:17.31 | Thomas Theodores | maybe some area on Tracy Way. And you'd like to see Tracy Way, forget the parking side of it, but open. Is it way to... |
| 04:39:24.65 | Mark | I would prefer to have the traffic continue down El Partel and onto Tracy Way as well. And I think that all of the merchants that are on El Partel are of a like mind. I can't speak for every single one of them, but I spoke to all but one. |
| 04:39:25.66 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. I just wanted to say, |
| 04:39:30.15 | Craig Severance | Thank you. And I think |
| 04:39:42.94 | Thomas Theodores | I don't know what you and Herb got into the other day, but he's on your case tonight, guys. Jeez, sir. Well, excuse me. Excuse me. No, no, no, no. It's all. |
| 04:39:42.99 | Unknown | I don't know what you said. |
| 04:39:43.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:43.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:49.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:49.78 | Ray Withy | Excuse me, excuse me. No, I'm not on a cake. It really boils down to a safety issue. |
| 04:39:53.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:58.49 | Thomas Theodores | Please, I didn't want to create this. Stop. I'm sorry, Mark. It's my fault. Mark and I. |
| 04:40:01.54 | Ray Withy | Mark and I go way back. I'm not used to that. I know, I know. You guys are friends. |
| 04:40:04.38 | Thomas Theodores | I know, I know. You guys are friends. We're business people. Thank you. |
| 04:40:08.49 | Ray Withy | And I agree. |
| 04:40:08.97 | Thomas Theodores | it |
| 04:40:09.05 | Ray Withy | I'm going to run away, run away. Get out while we're getting short. Yeah. I'll see you tomorrow. Thank you, Mark. Thank you very much. |
| 04:40:14.92 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you, Mark. Thank you very much. |
| 04:40:18.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:18.23 | Ray Withy | Thanks for coming. |
| 04:40:18.40 | Unknown | Thanks, Mark. Thank you. |
| 04:40:21.52 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:40:21.57 | Unknown | Go down the fort. |
| 04:40:21.89 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:40:21.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:22.16 | Ray Withy | for. |
| 04:40:22.58 | Unknown | So, Thank you. |
| 04:40:22.85 | Unknown | Thanks, Mark. Thank you. |
| 04:40:24.32 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:40:28.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:28.10 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. What do you want to try first? I mean, seriously. You're going to have to clean up this mess, you're saying. So if you want to keep your people from not having to be down there to clean it up, on a regular basis. What is best for your staffing without having new staffing? Is it the Tracy way? Is it the parking lot? Is it, you know, what do you want to try first? |
| 04:40:51.58 | Unknown | Jonathan Goldman and I will sit down and look at our options because the most desirable one is one that doesn't impact traffic. So does not change traffic flow. That's the most desirable. So probably either in the parking lot or on Tracy Way. I think in the parking lot is right now probably the one that is the number one consideration in the parking lot immediately next to the queuing area. |
| 04:41:29.59 | Unknown | But I don't know because my people don't do that. It's the director of public works who will assist in that operation and I need to consult with him. |
| 04:41:38.27 | Adam Politzer | Just a little bit of a reminder. We had the farmer's market in parking lot one. for multiple years and they took up all the spots. on the Tracy Way spot. as Tracy Gray, Tracy Way, part of the parking lot. One of the reasons and one of the biggest reasons why we moved it to Dunphy Park was because of the business community. not so much that it was picking up the parking spaces but because it was with The. blues and jazz by the bay, and It just took up every parking spot available. Um, as Mayor Weiner has said, and when you look at the parking lot, it's not the loss of spaces, our loss of spaces you know, there's peak time on the weekends, during the summer, from 11.30 to 1.30 and it can shift You know, either way, depending on what else is going on in the area. We used to take up those spots from 3 o'clock to 8 o'clock. every Friday night during the summer with the farmers market. Yeah. It is an option and I think I'm hearing the chief say we may not need to take all of those spots. will grow into it as needed or shrink into it as needed. based on the demand. |
| 04:42:56.43 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Peace. |
| 04:43:01.46 | Ray Withy | Well, I think you have to give her all the options, all the tools that she's going to need, because she's going to need all these tools for what you see, and it's going to be worse. |
| 04:43:13.73 | Thomas Theodores | Can we go back to the slide of tools? You know the option. Thank you. |
| 04:43:18.34 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:19.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:43:21.46 | Ray Withy | I apologize for being so passionate. |
| 04:43:22.18 | Unknown | I apologize for being so passionate. |
| 04:43:52.83 | Thomas Theodores | Mr. Mayor, could you turn on your microphone? |
| 04:43:55.11 | Ray Withy | Okay. There's at least 10 parking spaces inside in above the tide. So you can't close that down. Alright? The safety feature of closing down airport tell us we don't want buses to come down there. We don't want shuttle buses. We don't want people that want to go to go down that street. And that's where the bulk of the traffic that pulls in there. My desire, or I should say, a suggestion would be, you have all those yellow spaces right along where the Hotel Sausalito is, Let the customers that are just parking at the hotel Let them park inside the Inn above Ty, and let them park on El Portel. They're going to leave their cars there anyway for the day. And if you talk about checkout time, checkout time is 11 o'clock. So if these people check out, they're getting out of there before the bulk of the bikes start coming in. All right. I would take Tracy Way, and I would take all the racks that we have from Bank of America. Right now, we have approximately 25 racks. we could accommodate another 20 racks here to accommodate 900 bikes. Right now we can accommodate 450 bikes. And I would line them right down Tracy way and charge a dollar a bike. Okay, that would compensate for your 14 meters. And then some. number one. But the safety feature was with my driving force. And seeing that You can't let automobiles and buses and shuttles and taxis go down in that area. It's a bottleneck. I also recommend it like the taxi cabs. We have Anchor. Anchor, after one, after quarter past one, all the super shuttles leave. And basically it's spotty. They might come back one, but we can accommodate them then after one o'clock in the back of Bank of America and take Anchor away and make that Or your taxi stand instead of where they are now. Because they're just hanging out. You saw it there in the picture. They're hanging out in the street. They're not paying the meters. And if they pack in the meters, they don't pay them. And if you really look at Tracy Way, you will find out that half the automobiles have handicapped spaces on them. And I know some of the owners of some of the businesses with the handicapped spaces. That's only my opinion. But I trust our chief that she will, at least she knows in her head, that safety comes first. You cannot mix bicycles. And don't forget, when you get all, you get 500 people rolling off a ferry coming in, They're not going to be able to fit on that sidewalk on El Portel. That's why they pull it onto the street. So what are you doing? You're just setting it up for some maniac to go down that street. of Santa Monica Then you will wake up real quick. Anyway. I'm tired. It's the next day for me. It's just my opinion, and I've been following this and watching it. And my solution might not be the right solution, but I do know one thing. We have to address that safety feature down on that street. And you can't just let any old car, any old bus, or any shuttle go whipping down there when you get that kind of traffic. Okay. |
| 04:47:42.50 | Thomas Theodores | Are we in comment now? Thank you. |
| 04:47:46.82 | Ray Withy | What's the action item required, if any? |
| 04:47:49.01 | Unknown | Yes, you can move it. So let everybody cover up. Yes. |
| 04:47:51.53 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:47:51.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:47:52.25 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:47:52.83 | Ray Withy | response. It's not what was said in the staff report. |
| 04:47:58.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:47:58.28 | Unknown | Yeah, that's right. No question. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:48:07.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:48:07.66 | Thomas Theodores | I have a comment. Thank you. |
| 04:48:09.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:48:09.75 | Thomas Theodores | I think that this is an end run around transparency for residents with respect to closing Tracy Way. To claim that we're going to do it anyway because we're going to treat it as an event is, I think, disingenuous. We do have a bicycle safety problem. It is a problem that has exploded since 2009. And there is no end in sight. And instead of forming a bicycle pedestrian committee, which I've been pushing for, for, as I say, the last four years. And instead of allowing people with fresh eyes and fresh minds and fresh ideas and residents to really get and look into the problem, instead we're just trying to... carve out closed streets change our charming downtown environment with crowding our quaint downtown Sausalito with more and more bike racks and these bicycles, the population explodes to fill the space we create. We have seen that consistently. I heard now we're looking at 3%. I heard a 10% to fill the space we create. We have seen that consistently. I heard now we're looking at 3%. I heard 10% a year increases, 370,000 bikes, and it keeps going up. Ten new bicycle rental companies in just the last two years. This is just simply unsustainable. And I will end my comment. |
| 04:49:50.44 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 04:49:50.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:49:50.53 | Craig Severance | and the |
| 04:49:50.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:49:50.63 | Craig Severance | I'm sorry. |
| 04:49:52.44 | Thomas Theodores | with what I asked in the beginning which is when is enough too much? When is it too much? When they reach, I mean, if we went from 370,000 to 500,000, Is that too much? There's got to be a way that a city can say, our infrastructure cannot handle this. And that's where I think a concrete action, a bicycle pedestrian committee comprised of residents who could create new strategies and explore new ways to mitigate this problem. I heard- Give me one screen. |
| 04:50:31.60 | Ray Withy | Give me one suggestion. One suggestion, if you were on that committee, that you would do to mitigate some of this traffic on bicycles coming in. |
| 04:50:39.04 | Thomas Theodores | I've... I'm not here. to make a checklist of things of what the solutions are, I don't think it's a snap your fingers and figure it out, but I do know one thing. I do know that we haven't tried that solution. And it's something that I believe that the collective thinking of our residents who live and breathe this every day is something we should pursue. |
| 04:51:06.85 | Ray Withy | You still haven't answered my question. My question is what would you do down the south end of town to change all those bicycles coming in? |
| 04:51:14.16 | Thomas Theodores | All those bicycles coming in. I have said this earlier, and I've said one of the things, I mean, you've got the south end, it's a different problem. Downtown, a different problem. Every part of the bicycle issue, presents different problems. And so you would have to look at every section to have that to have that answer. So my answer to you is... |
| 04:51:35.10 | Craig Severance | Yes sir. |
| 04:51:38.16 | Thomas Theodores | is to start to form a committee, to look at what other cities have done, benchmark other cities, look at other strategies and other best practices. There's absolutely something that can be done here. It's the same thing we've been doing the past four years is not yielding results. It's getting worse. |
| 04:51:50.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:51:50.98 | Ray Withy | It's not. |
| 04:51:56.62 | Ray Withy | First of all, you won't, you won't, you will not find a city that does anywhere near the amount of bicycle traffic that we have number one. All right? That's number one. Number two, we can allow for expansion because we have enough to handle 900 bikes on Tracy Way and we can bring in with the new pier even coming in that we can have more, more ferries. We bring in extra ferries now to accommodate them and they're on call. That's how we handle it. When the 310 is booked, we bring in an extra ferry by just a phone call if we need them. And that's what we do. |
| 04:52:35.85 | Thomas Theodores | So in response, Mr. Mayor, all due respect, you are responding to the population, which we've already established keeps growing. You're going to keep adding ferries and ferries because you're removing parking spaces. Just at the last city council meeting, we took away another four parking spaces. Now we're looking at removing 14 parking spaces. |
| 04:52:45.12 | Unknown | But the automobile traffic doesn't. Just at the last... |
| 04:52:57.22 | Ray Withy | But we have less ties. What do you want to have? We have less ties. |
| 04:52:59.76 | Thomas Theodores | We have less cars because we are crowding them out. Residents don't even come downtown anymore. |
| 04:53:04.12 | Ray Withy | Residents come down into that parking lot and get three hours free parking, and they go in there with no problem. |
| 04:53:12.19 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. Thank you. Please, let's move on. |
| 04:53:14.82 | Ray Withy | move. |
| 04:53:15.00 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. Jesus Christ. |
| 04:53:19.68 | Ray Withy | I think we're done with this. |
| 04:53:20.01 | Ray Withy | We're done with this action. Thomas Paine, Thomas Paine device wrote a book called Common Sense. I'd suggest you read it. |
| 04:53:21.96 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 04:53:25.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:53:25.74 | Ray Withy | of the |
| 04:53:25.90 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. |
| 04:53:28.65 | Ray Withy | All right. |
| 04:53:29.70 | Unknown | So there's no action taken here? Thank you, Chief. |
| 04:53:31.76 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you, Chief. I suggest that if you're planning on doing the, you might want to do a little reach out to and say this, that may be closed at certain times during the summer if need be and get that word out both to the, whether it's through the paper, through the email thingamajig, you know, just as a, just because people are going to freak if they go down there and it's closed. And that's the first they've heard about. |
| 04:53:54.71 | Unknown | Yeah, we will make personal contact with everybody in that area, first of all. But I mean just like to get it out. |
| 04:53:59.81 | Thomas Theodores | I'm sorry. |
| 04:53:59.82 | Ray Withy | No, but I mean just like to get it out. Yeah. And that's a good idea. Some of the residents, |
| 04:54:01.92 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:54:01.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:54:01.98 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 04:54:02.15 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 04:54:02.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:54:02.35 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 04:54:02.37 | Adam Politzer | and that's a good thing. |
| 04:54:05.15 | Ray Withy | pull into there and wait, even though they're parked illegally on Tracy Way and Al Portel waiting for people to come off the ferry. We don't have to deal with that so much now because now there are no gates in lot one. So they could ride right in there. and pick them up. So we've alleviated some of these problems with some of the moves. Anyway. Next item. |
| 04:54:26.91 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:54:27.56 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:54:28.49 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Introduction of an ordinance, readopting this |
| 04:54:32.38 | Thomas Theodores | you We're going to continue that. OK. So the question is, do you want to keep going through the list, or can we continue this item? |
| 04:54:34.16 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 04:54:38.18 | Adam Politzer | that list. Let's, yes. you |
| 04:54:42.96 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:54:42.97 | Adam Politzer | I would support recommending moving the priority calendar step one and continuing it to May 7th. |
| 04:54:52.93 | Ray Withy | Can, |
| 04:54:53.15 | Adam Politzer | Can we suggest that |
| 04:54:54.87 | Ray Withy | The recommendations by council members be emailed to staff so that they're in written form for the next agenda so that we can move that along. |
| 04:55:03.34 | Adam Politzer | Excellent recommendation. |
| 04:55:05.62 | Ray Withy | I think you might also get an email from me with those items that need some clarification. So maybe I don't want to put a huge burden on staff, but just a paragraph trying to explain some of this stuff. |
| 04:55:16.17 | Thomas Theodores | No, thank you. |
| 04:55:19.74 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, it's true for anybody. If anybody has any questions about what these things mean, you know, me too. |
| 04:55:25.29 | Unknown | Oh, yeah. Thank you. |
| 04:55:39.98 | Unknown | I just wanted to thank the committee for her introduction of the board that you adopted in the field. |
| 04:55:50.35 | Ray Withy | Well, that's why you step in the mat, shall I? Thank you. |
| 04:55:53.54 | Unknown | And this is real quick. And the reason why we can't continue this is because by law it requires a public hearing at the next City Council meeting. And I already published that in the newspaper. So, Basically, this is It's a very easy item. It's required by law so that we can Recodify. from Unicode. Um, and because I'm so tired I can't think straight. And I will... |
| 04:56:23.75 | Mary Wagner | I will... |
| 04:56:26.25 | Unknown | Well, and I did want to apologize for that. Councilmember Theodorus actually did ask |
| 04:56:27.92 | Mary Wagner | I just... |
| 04:56:33.82 | Unknown | If I could show what it will look like when we have it on the website, and I failed to come with a website. |
| 04:56:43.97 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, if I can add to that as well. So this is the culmination of a project that's been on your priority calendar list for quite a while, and it's been strongly recommended by both your city clerk and myself. And what it is, it is reinstating the process that we used to have, and I think it ended shortly after. started as your city attorney, and that all the ordinances when they're adopted are sent off to code publishing or another company who then integrates them very quickly into your online code. so that you don't have to do what we have to do now, which is find the section that you're looking at and make sure it wasn't amended later on by an ordinance. difficult process to make sure that you have the most up-to-date regulations. So this is, you know, unfortunately to do it at 1215, is doing it a disservice because this is a big deal and it's going to be so much easier for staff and for the public and for you to find the most up-to-date regulations and I think that Debbie deserves a lot of credit for shepherding this process through, for working with code publishing to get it to the place where we can you know, present it to you to be recodified, so the recodification is just directing that that all be Um, pulled together and put up on the website. There's some technical things we have to go through in the government code. which is this process that Debbie's just described of this hearing, setting the public hearing. and then actually adopting it after it's adopted. I don't know how long it will take code publishing to actually get it to be live. But what we might be able to do is show you some examples of other jurisdictions and what theirs look like. We went through a lot of work with the zoning ordinance to update that with the that the council approved There's still work to be done. But as those ordinances are adopted, they'll be integrated much more quickly into the system, and you'll be able to find the up-to-date regulations. |
| 04:58:57.55 | Thomas Theodores | So really all the ordinance itself is asking is to move from this written version to this other version, which will exist at some point in another. It's authorizing that to be the official version of the Unicode. Is that correct? |
| 04:58:57.94 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:58:57.97 | Craig Severance | really all |
| 04:58:58.51 | Unknown | I don't think we're asking. |
| 04:58:58.97 | Craig Severance | I can't do that. |
| 04:58:59.93 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:59:17.75 | Mary Wagner | That's correct. There may be some cleanup changes that are included in the adoption that I'm looking at. Debbie to see if that's accurate. There may be typos that are being cleaned up, word choices that are cleaned up. There are no major policy changes that are being implemented through the recodification that the council hasn't already approved. So the ordinances that have been approved will be pulled into the book itself, the municipal code itself. Clean-up changes are also being adopted through this, but no major policy changes. Then the Legislative Committee is going to look at the legal analysis that was prepared by Code Publishing and prioritize those things that they've recommended that we look at. And we're just going to take those off in chunks and then bring forward to the council recommendations from that committee. |
| 05:00:10.96 | Thomas Theodores | Because you're only, you're re-adopting the Municode only because it's taking this other form. The content is the same. Correct. It's just becoming another form of existence. Correct, yes. The official version is moving into this version. Right. All right. |
| 05:00:18.72 | Mary Wagner | correct. |
| 05:00:19.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:00:22.80 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 05:00:22.82 | Unknown | Correct. Right. |
| 05:00:26.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:00:28.98 | Unknown | Any questions? Any questions from the public on this time? Any comments? |
| 05:00:37.63 | Thomas Theodores | It has been a lot of work for Mary and Debbie. So I'm glad we finally, because you can't find stuff online now for a lot of this stuff. And maybe... |
| 05:00:46.93 | Ray Withy | And maybe we can vote on it tonight and have a presentation on it at a later time. Not a later time tonight, but a later date. You can hang around and wait. Debbie's gonna say, |
| 05:00:54.61 | Thomas Theodores | You can hang around and wait. Debbie's going to say, I'll be right back, Tom. Wait right here. |
| 05:00:59.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:01:00.03 | Ray Withy | I think. Mm-hmm. Okay, so there's a recommended motion. |
| 05:01:08.57 | Thomas Theodores | Introduced and read by title only in ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito, readopting the Municipal Code and continue to April 23rd for public hearing and adoption. |
| 05:01:08.97 | Unknown | of interaction. |
| 05:01:09.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:01:20.48 | Thomas Theodores | Well, it says April 23rd here, so it's May 7th. But this says April 23rd, city clerk. |
| 05:01:23.42 | Craig Severance | the Thank you. |
| 05:01:28.78 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 05:01:28.99 | Mary Wagner | It was April 23rd. It's now... All right. |
| 05:01:31.40 | Thomas Theodores | now. I know. All right. I can't continue it back in time. |
| 05:01:37.73 | Ray Withy | That's May 7th. |
| 05:01:39.21 | Thomas Theodores | Face him. |
| 05:01:40.29 | Ray Withy | Do we have a second? Second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, city manager's report. |
| 05:01:44.15 | Unknown | All right. |
| 05:01:44.65 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 05:01:49.51 | Adam Politzer | I will pass on the city manager's report, but we'll put that item that you just asked for the presentation after step two of the priority calendar. I do recommend that you just move to mayor's appointment to the Fort Baker task force and then come back to future agenda items. Thank you. |
| 05:02:00.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:02:00.08 | Unknown | Just kidding, I'm just kidding. |
| 05:02:19.47 | Ray Withy | The Fort Baker Task Force, and I think we approved it at the last meeting, was to act as a liaison. There's a task force of one city council member, one staff member, three residents to act as liaison with the National Park Service on the Fort Baker improvements. And I think we approve that, and I think tonight all we're doing is filling in with the three names of the residents. And we have resident names are Carol Peltz, Robert Page, and Tim Tyson. And I think we were going to appoint me as the city council representative. I offer myself in that role. He takes control. Yeah, that's right. |
| 05:02:57.97 | Craig Severance | me as Thank you. |
| 05:02:59.13 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:02:59.54 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 05:02:59.67 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 05:03:00.06 | Craig Severance | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:03:04.62 | Unknown | in that role. Yeah, that's right. That's why we waited this long. You hear that expression that whose room sweeps through? |
| 05:03:10.03 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 05:03:10.45 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:03:10.62 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 05:03:10.66 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:03:10.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:03:10.89 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:03:10.96 | Unknown | that expression that who comes through. |
| 05:03:15.65 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:03:15.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:03:15.94 | Ray Withy | Any other nominations? |
| 05:03:16.38 | Unknown | Any other nominations? That's all you? That's all you? |
| 05:03:21.03 | Ray Withy | Any other nominations? Okay. |
| 05:03:23.75 | Thomas Theodores | Any member of the public wish to comment on this particular event? |
| 05:03:24.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. you |
| 05:03:26.28 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 05:03:26.79 | Ray Withy | Ms. Vicki? |
| 05:03:29.49 | Thomas Theodores | very good |
| 05:03:30.03 | Vicki Nichols | Good question. |
| 05:03:30.43 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 05:03:31.75 | Vicki Nichols | Sorry, I missed the last meeting. What's the purpose of this other than obviously there will be a lot of environmental groups looking at this and a lot of people that left over from the East Fort Baker, friends of East Fort Baker from before. So what will this committee be doing? |
| 05:03:50.21 | Ray Withy | Well, this committee is just going to be working with the Park Service Act as a liaison to find out what's going on there and bring back any issues to the council or any other body that's necessary. And they'll be representing Sausalito. in that regard. I mean, there'll be others representing Saucelito, but this is a task force appointed by the City Council. |
| 05:04:02.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:04:02.75 | Vicki Nichols | I mean, don't |
| 05:04:08.00 | Vicki Nichols | And that will be in lieu of the Park Service coming to us |
| 05:04:08.06 | Ray Withy | in the |
| 05:04:11.42 | Vicki Nichols | No. No? Okay. |
| 05:04:11.63 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 05:04:11.68 | Ray Withy | So, |
| 05:04:11.91 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. Oh, yeah. |
| 05:04:12.69 | Ray Withy | So. |
| 05:04:12.77 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 05:04:12.82 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:04:13.11 | Thomas Theodores | So there's change and talked about both the construction here |
| 05:04:17.97 | Vicki Nichols | I know, but I'm trying to see if this committee's going to... |
| 05:04:21.24 | Ray Withy | Well, again, I think there's been concern on some of the residents about the details. And this allows the residents and the park services welcome this participation to be more involved in it rather than a quarterly report at the city council. It will allow us to have greater contact with them regarding the issues and greater input. |
| 05:04:25.65 | Vicki Nichols | Right. |
| 05:04:42.86 | Vicki Nichols | But if there's any positions put forward as to preferences, I don't know all these names, but I know how a couple of them feel about this. you won't be making proposals that the city's recommending that |
| 05:04:58.86 | Ray Withy | They don't have it. |
| 05:04:59.04 | Vicki Nichols | They don't have- To alter their project or change their process. |
| 05:05:02.96 | Ray Withy | You mean they're not, we're not particularly authorized to make any That's what I meant. Representations on part of the city or enter into any agreements. It's just to monitor what the improvements are and what |
| 05:05:06.52 | Vicki Nichols | That's what I meant. The representations on par |
| 05:05:08.41 | Mary Wagner | I'm sorry. |
| 05:05:11.53 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. That's true. |
| 05:05:15.09 | Ray Withy | what the progress is on those improvements. |
| 05:05:17.71 | Vicki Nichols | So it would be a broader discussion if there's anything like that. |
| 05:05:20.68 | Ray Withy | Oh, any positions taken by the city would have to be approved by the council. I mean. |
| 05:05:24.95 | Vicki Nichols | OK, I was just curious. |
| 05:05:26.79 | Thomas Theodores | And is that task force subject to the Brown Act as well? I think it would be, wouldn't it? |
| 05:05:32.69 | Ray Withy | Mm-hmm. Well, it's a task force. It's a task force, so it's a one-time thing. |
| 05:05:35.92 | Mary Wagner | It's a great day. |
| 05:05:35.98 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 05:05:36.05 | Mary Wagner | to get to the |
| 05:05:36.12 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 05:05:38.45 | Mary Wagner | What you call it doesn't mean it's not subject to the Brown Act. But it's... All the other task force have been subject to the Brown Act. If it's not a continuing subject matter jurisdiction and it's a, you know, one-time kind of thing, it doesn't have to be. You have often decided to make them subject to the Brown Act just because it makes it more available to the public. |
| 05:05:39.88 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 05:05:41.33 | Thomas Theodores | All the other task force have been sent to the Brown Act. Yeah. |
| 05:05:58.65 | Unknown | Thank you. you Thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:05:59.24 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 05:05:59.27 | Unknown | or not. |
| 05:05:60.00 | Thomas Theodores | Amen. |
| 05:06:00.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:06:00.79 | Unknown | Indeed, okay. |
| 05:06:02.63 | Thomas Theodores | Is the whole task force planning to go to things in the city or the park service or is it more you're meeting here and then you'll go to some, is it more that you're the official representative to the park service or is the whole group going to? |
| 05:06:17.97 | Ray Withy | I think more participating in whatever the Park Service has, reviewing them, discussing it, making recommendations that may come to the Council about if there's any positions we need to take. |
| 05:06:30.79 | Thomas Theodores | Could you proceed meeting from here or more? |
| 05:06:34.47 | Ray Withy | I thought it would be more informal, but I hadn't really thought about that issue. |
| 05:06:41.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:06:45.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:06:45.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:06:46.05 | Mary Wagner | Well, if I understand it correctly, this is like the blue ribbon type committee that Councilmember Belzer created at one point. appointed by the mayor, it's not appointed by the city council as a whole. They should be fine. |
| 05:07:01.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:07:02.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:07:02.22 | Unknown | you |
| 05:07:02.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:07:03.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:07:04.14 | Thomas Theodores | My preference is that it would fall under the Brown Act just because it's always better to have that transparency. And, you know, we typically create task force around issues that are controversial and you know, you're talking about. |
| 05:07:17.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:07:17.81 | Mary Wagner | I'm not going to make it. |
| 05:07:18.60 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 05:07:18.79 | Mary Wagner | Can I make a question or suggestion? If this group is going to Fort Baker to attend meetings, it's going to be difficult to notice those as Brown Act meetings because they're not within the jurisdiction of Sausalito. If you would like to make it a recommendation that when the task force is meeting at Sausalito to discuss the Fort Baker, you know, that those types of meetings you would recommend be noticed in accordance with the Brown Act, but, you know, even though it's not legally required, I think that would be one way to address that concern. |
| 05:08:02.00 | Ray Withy | I'd probably not have to, because some of these meetings and such may be, we may not have enough notice to notice us going together. So certainly prefer not to if we didn't need to do that, notice that type of thing, but be happy to do it if we're going to meet in the City Hall or private. Yeah, that's what I was suggesting. Yeah, that'd be a very suggestion, basically. |
| 05:08:19.84 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, that's what I was suggesting. If you're going to a meeting, yeah. |
| 05:08:24.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:08:24.14 | Ray Withy | That's fine. |
| 05:08:24.82 | Unknown | Thank you. Everybody in favor? |
| 05:08:28.88 | Thomas Theodores | So we decided to apply the Brown Act when you're meeting in Sausalito. |
| 05:08:35.11 | Mary Wagner | We're saying that the committee is not technically subject to the Brown Act, but that the Council is asking that when the committee's meeting here in Sausalito in City Hall or whatever, that you would like them to make every effort to notice it in accordance with the Brown Act so that the public can attend. |
| 05:08:45.42 | Unknown | or- |
| 05:08:45.51 | Thomas Theodores | Mm-hmm. |
| 05:08:51.89 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, I would just change that to be applied the Brown Act when you are here. |
| 05:08:58.40 | Unknown | No, no, no. |
| 05:09:01.27 | Thomas Theodores | No, no, no. I mean when I say when you're here, when you're meeting in City Hall. Because what I heard Mary say was they'll try Thank you. to the best of their ability to apply the Brown Act. Yeah, I know, I'm just clarifying what you said from what I said. In other words, I understand you wouldn't cite it when you went to Fort Baker, I'm just saying that If you're meeting in City Hall, I think you should you should post it as the Brownette. Because a lot of people are interested in what happens in Fort Baker and |
| 05:09:31.14 | Craig Severance | Thank you. |
| 05:09:31.17 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:09:31.19 | Unknown | to the next episode. |
| 05:09:31.22 | Ray Withy | a lot of |
| 05:09:31.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:34.93 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 05:09:34.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:34.99 | Ray Withy | We'll try. |
| 05:09:35.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:35.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:35.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:35.85 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:09:36.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:36.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:36.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:36.52 | Ray Withy | I thought that was basically, I understood that to be basically something. Yeah. Yeah, let's, I accept that. |
| 05:09:36.62 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 05:09:36.98 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 05:09:36.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:37.06 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 05:09:37.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:41.14 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. And clearly the public will have public notice of when the committee is coming to give reports to the city council. So they'll have full access to that information. |
| 05:10:11.71 | Ray Withy | Mr. Mayor. |
| 05:10:12.46 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 05:10:12.75 | Ray Withy | Um. I mean, it's 25 after midnight, so I don't mean to bring this up. |
| 05:10:21.26 | Unknown | So you can look at this flap, it's only 20 hours. |
| 05:10:23.53 | Ray Withy | I don't want to bring this up to start the whole discussion again. I just want to bring it up and then |
| 05:10:26.71 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 05:10:30.50 | Ray Withy | Um... Council Member Pfeiffer. said on numerous occasions this evening that essentially, we've actually stopped the creation of a bicycle and pedestrian committee. or worse that effect. I'm not putting words in your mouth, Linda. |
| 05:10:55.14 | Thomas Theodores | It didn't say stop the creation, but I'll clarify. |
| 05:10:56.54 | Ray Withy | but I'll clarify. Okay, whatever. The establishment, the population of whatever. Okay, I really think that to for members of the public watching the video and watching this discussion I think it's a responsibility now to actually get that committee populated. and with residents from all over town, remember it's not just bicyclists, but it's pedestrians, and get on with it, because many people watching this are going to walk away with the impression that we're actually trying to block that. |
| 05:11:36.23 | Thomas Theodores | And I don't think that's right. |
| 05:11:36.38 | Ray Withy | And I don't think that's right. So let's get on with finding residents that represent the community as a whole, not just the anti-bikes people, but the community as a whole. and see if that group of smart residents can come up with some other solutions for us to discuss. get it off the table as an issue, this committee. |
| 05:12:10.13 | Thomas Theodores | So I just want to thank Council Member Withey very much for that vote of support on this. It is, if you look at future agenda item minutes from, you know, the last three years, you'll see repeatedly I wanted to make that a priority. And I'm very, very happy to see that there's support in moving forward. And I will make sure that there are applicants submitted for that. Excuse me, did you just say it's not going to be your cronies? Jonathan, could you turn on your microphone? |
| 05:12:56.07 | Thomas Theodores | Well, I'm just, I'm just, |
| 05:12:57.76 | Ray Withy | I did preface this with suggesting no discussion. Is there anything else on the, could I make a motion to adjourn? |
| 05:13:00.66 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 05:13:00.71 | Unknown | . |
| 05:13:00.74 | Thomas Theodores | . |
| 05:13:00.78 | Unknown | Is there anything else? Could I make a motion to adjourn? I'll triple it. Okay. Thank you. |
| 05:13:05.69 | Ray Withy | All in favor. |