| Time | Speaker | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00:00.03 | Ray Withy | Abby, can I have a roll call, please? |
| 00:00:02.02 | Debbie | Council member Pfeiffer. |
| 00:00:04.13 | Ray Withy | Here. |
| 00:00:04.91 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 00:00:04.96 | Debbie | Councilmember Theodorus. |
| 00:00:05.90 | Ray Withy | present. |
| 00:00:06.46 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 00:00:06.48 | Debbie | Council Member Withey. |
| 00:00:07.61 | Ray Withy | here. |
| 00:00:08.03 | Debbie | Thank you. Vice Mayor Leon. |
| 00:00:09.60 | Ray Withy | Here? |
| 00:00:09.90 | Debbie | Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:00:10.80 | Ray Withy | President. at this time here. VASCO, YOU WANT TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE? Okay. Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America |
| 00:00:21.31 | Unknown | allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:00:25.97 | Unknown | and to the Republic for which it stands, |
| 00:00:29.04 | Ray Withy | one nation under God with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Brasco. |
| 00:00:41.12 | Ray Withy | Amen. Okay, we did discuss the closed session items. Thank you. and that was about the MLK property on the New Village School. And at this time here, Um, I'd like to have the public comment on those items. So please come up. |
| 00:01:00.11 | Ray Withy | Yeah, because there's only one minute on the agenda anyway, so why don't you take it as well. |
| 00:01:07.92 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:01:09.25 | Ray Withy | It's on |
| 00:01:10.70 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor. I mean, typically you do that so that people who weren't here before closed session have an opportunity to address you on those closed session items. The one item you had on closed session is also on your consent calendar for action. |
| 00:01:12.56 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:01:21.77 | Mary Wagner | So it might be more appropriate to allow public comment before you take action on that item. |
| 00:01:26.50 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:01:26.78 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:01:26.82 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. So then we'll go to... I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as submitted. Second. |
| 00:01:31.93 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. to the nation. Thank you. Second. |
| 00:01:37.47 | Unknown | All in favor. |
| 00:01:38.38 | Ray Withy | I suppose, say thank you. |
| 00:01:38.53 | Unknown | I |
| 00:01:41.36 | Ray Withy | Next we have a special presentation. And this time here, Vasco, would you join me in welcoming assistant city guests and I'd like to introduce them. We have Alexandra Farreria. |
| 00:02:05.43 | Ray Withy | It only took me five days to learn how to pronounce that. And Enrique Velez. Thank you. This is, and just for some Just for your understanding, we just formed a sister city with the city of Quesquist, the Portuguese community. really has been in Sausalito for 125 years. That's five years more than the city has been around. So it's a privilege to have you here tonight, and we would like to give you something to take back. |
| 00:02:49.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:49.83 | Ray Withy | Thank you. you |
| 00:02:55.24 | Ray Withy | And you kids are being very well behaved. |
| 00:03:09.12 | Unknown | Yeah, it's good. Thank you. you What we have here is a replica of the plaque that we just installed in the regular slum part of today. It's commemorating the training between Fitzgerald and Sulphurio. On May 6. |
| 00:03:32.98 | Unknown | And we have one for Mayor Carlos Kaderes, who couldn't be here, so if you could bring that home to him as well. And then here's some photographs, so they'd only be great if you suddenly couldn't. |
| 00:04:10.24 | Ray Withy | All these kids came to see you tonight. |
| 00:04:12.38 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:04:15.23 | Ray Withy | Thank you. you |
| 00:04:16.95 | Unknown | you Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:04:23.06 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 00:04:23.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:23.47 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:04:28.36 | Unknown | Honorable Mayor, my dear friend Herb Weiner, honorable council members, Everyone, citizens from Sausalito, thank you for coming. I know it's not specifically for us, but I will take this opportunity to tell you how proud I am and how happy I am to be here with you. I truly believe that sister cities agreements are made by our elected members through institutions, in this case our municipalities, our city halls, |
| 00:04:42.20 | Unknown | I... |
| 00:05:06.70 | Unknown | But truly, they are made and they are celebrated for the people, for our populations, and for the ones that live in our municipalities. Cascais has a very historical bond with all its sister cities. Our family has increased considerably now. |
| 00:05:31.07 | Unknown | you |
| 00:05:31.12 | Unknown | Thank you. Now we have Sausalito in our hearts with us. And I would like you to consider that all our citizens, or all 206,000 citizens of Cascais, Portugal, of our municipality, are here now with me. I just brought one of them, but all the others, please feel that they are here with you. to share with you and saying in one voice, as one, that we are together, we are a family now, and we will accomplish a lot of common projects and common ideas that we have been speaking along these days. We are firmly committed, not only with this agreement, but with our international view, and especially because this will give us an opportunity not only to bring someone and youngsters from Kashkais and to be here with you, but also to welcome you. And I would like to invite you all to please come and visit us and please feel at home as I felt during these days. An example of our cultural and historical bounds resides precisely in the Portuguese hall in this town, in this city. And I would like very much to welcome and to thank you all the members and thank all the members that made this agreement possible. not only the Mayor, not only the Council members, but also our good friends from the Sausalito-Cascais Committee Also, all our good friends from the Portuguese hall, some of them are here. But I'm finding it very hard not to say a few names because I know that it's been a work experience. hard work for some time now, and now it came to an end, but an end that is truly a beginning, a beginning of our friendship, our mutual cooperation. Of course, that's the opportunity that we had to welcome delegations from Sausalito and Cascais made us feel very proud, very close. We are sometimes closer than we believe. And we have so much to do together. |
| 00:07:54.32 | Unknown | We believe in Cascais that it's through these local connections, through these local actions, that we can achieve global effects in this world. It's through these local governments feeling and sharing whatever they feel that it's the best for their cities, that we can make a difference. And today, my dear friend, my dear friend, Herb Moyner, we really made a difference. I would like to give you a copy of our historical pen that signed the screening agreement. And I would like you to keep it in your hearts, as I know that all the council members see themselves in these twinning agreements. and also |
| 00:08:49.28 | Unknown | As the oceans and the sea connects us and brings us all together as one, I will also, before your citizens, show you and give you a picture of Cascais, one of our lighthouses. That, as you say, and as you know, can guide us home and show us the connection that exists between the cities and a way to truly show you your way back to Cascades anytime you want because it's your home now. |
| 00:09:27.44 | Ray Withy | MOTIVAL. |
| 00:09:29.88 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:10:11.28 | Unknown | So I believe now you have more local actions to do. And my dear colleagues, Being a council member in Cascais, I know the hard time that we have and sometimes how meetings can be very long in time. So I won't take you any more time. I would just like to tell you and say it once again that it's a real pleasure. I felt at home, Henrique felt at home during these days. Our delegation felt that we were really part of your family and we just hope to have very soon, as soon as possible, an opportunity to give you back all the friendship, the cooperation and all the warmth that we felt during these days. Thank you very much for everything. |
| 00:11:12.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:18.44 | Ray Withy | Yeah, and thank you very much to the IDES Hall for all the hard work that you folks have put in to make this a reality. It's, you truly are partners with Sausalito in more ways than people remember, not just in history, but with being so kind as to help with the senior housing project as you folks did, and being a good neighbor right down the street here on Caledonia Street. And if you ever need to rent a great hall, Call these guys up. No, we really appreciate having you here in Sausalito. It reminds us of our past, and now it reminds us of our future. Thank you for coming. |
| 00:11:52.04 | Unknown | Thank you very much, and we are all invited for sopas. It was really – I'm local. I live in Novato, and I have been a member of the hall for so many years. And these people in Kashkash have received us amazingly. And so as our friend Elshan Fari said, I'm sure you are welcome there, and please go. Thank you. |
| 00:12:17.16 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you, Vasco. Thank you, Jose. Thank you so much for everything you've done. |
| 00:12:27.41 | Ray Withy | Thank you. The next item that we have is the post office update on the plans and future of the current site. And we have, I believe, Diane Alvarado and Jim Wingdale. |
| 00:12:47.93 | Ray Withy | Didn't think that many people were to come and see you, huh? |
| 00:12:50.34 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:13:09.24 | Jim Wigdell | Good evening, everybody. And this is quite a crowd. We appreciate you all being here. It's a school night. Y'all do your homework. Mm-hmm. democracy in motion here, so this is a good lesson. So thank you, Mayor Weiner, council, and everybody assembled. We really appreciate the opportunity to be here this evening to talk a little bit more about the Sausalito main post office and what the plans are and where we are with that and that sort of thing. My name is Jim Wigdell. I'm with Corporate Communications with the U.S. Postal Service, and with me tonight is She's our implementation manager for the facility services office in the Pacific area. We also have a couple of other postal employees with us. Bill Gosse on the left there. He is the officer in charge, the current officer in charge of the Sausalita Post Office right now. And he's brand new to the city and the position and that sort of thing. So he's just getting his feet wet. We also have Ken Boyd. He is our customer relations manager with the U.S. Postal Service. And as you noticed, we all sort of got the memo on the jackets tonight. Postal blue all the way. So we have a very short presentation. My slides, I'll sort of get things going here. Oh, it works. Great. So my purpose here today with corporate communications is to talk a little bit about the state of the Postal Service and where we are and how we got to where we are with this Oscillator Post Office and why we're working on what we're doing with the Post Office. So you've probably read and probably heard that the Postal Service is a little bit of a financial crisis right now. Not a little bit. It's a major financial crisis. We're in dire financial straits as a matter of fact. |
| 00:14:35.22 | Unknown | So. |
| 00:14:46.51 | Jim Wigdell | And there's basically four reasons for that. Number one, and probably the most important reason, is volume. Our total mail volume decline is about 25 percent or 27 percent since 2006, which equates to a drop in about 53 billion pieces in the last six years. Of course, as you all know, the Postal Service receives no taxpayer dollars for what we do. Everything is based on the sale of stamps and other services. So any decline in mail is a decline in revenue. So, And also we have this major mail processing system that we had to have to reduce in size. So the mail mix is changing. And we're adjusting to that. The other thing is our universal service obligation. We are obligated by law to go to every single address in the United States six days a week, and that's going to continue for a while. And, you know, we are have, so what we have is a diminishing mail volume and a universal service obligation, which is actually growing every year, usually about 600,000 to a million new delivery points every year in the United States. So we have a growing customer base, if you will, and diminishing revenue. So... We're also restricted by the postal law of 2006 to how we can price things. We're actually capped at the CPI, and that's why for a couple of years you didn't see a stamp price increase until recently. The last couple of years we went up a penny a year, but before that we had a couple of years of flat pricing. That's because of the CPI. So we're restricted by pricing. And our labor costs, that's a fixed labor cost, because we have to go to every address in the United States every day, six days a week, it costs money. We have about 500,000 employees in our labor base. So what has that led to? In the last couple of years, as I said, diminishing revenue has caused us to have some dire financial problems. Last year we had a $15.9 billion net loss in FY12. Quarter one of this year we had a $1.3 billion loss. That's October through December. Our quarter two numbers should come out in the next couple of weeks, and we expect it to be similar to that. Net loss of over $40 billion in the past six years despite removing about $15 billion worth of costs out of the system. So as you can see, we painted the picture here as to where we are financially. But we're not resting on our laurels either. There's many things that we've done since 2006 to reduce our costs. As mail volume has gone down, we've been adjusting to the new reality of reduced mail volume. We've reduced our workforce by about 193,000 employees, again, all through attrition. The Postal Service has not laid off a single person through all of this financial crisis, and we don't plan on laying anybody off. We've had to move some people around, which is just sort of normal business. As I said, we've reduced our cost base by about $15 billion in the last few years. Consolidated more than 200 mail processing facilities. That's not your typical post office. That's the actual factories where we process the mail. Factories, if you will. We have a system that's designed for about 300 billion pieces of mail per year. Last year we processed about 160 billion pieces. So you can see we're over capacity as far as mail processing goes. We don't expect because of the internet for any of that capacity to come back. or any of that mail volume to come back So we're way over capacity so we've been consolidating mail processing facilities. Thank you. We've been modifying operating hours at over 13,000 post offices nationwide. And these are mostly your rural post offices. A couple of years ago we had proposed to close a lot of those post offices. We went out and did community meetings and listened to our customers and they said, don't close our post offices. Is there any way you can just reduce the hours? I said that makes a lot of sense. So that's what we did. Instead of closing the rural post offices, we reduced the hours. We've also reduced some of the 21,000 delivery routes. Because we have less mail volume, we don't have to deliver as much mail, and we don't need as many delivery routes, so we've been consolidating routes. And we've been providing increased access to postal products and services. We have about 32,000 brick and mortar post offices nationwide. but actually about Excuse me. about 100,000 locations plus the internet where you can actually buy stamps and other postal products and services. For example, you can go to Walgreens or Costco and buy stamps there, get them out of ATM machines, and more importantly, you can actually go online and do about 80% of what you do at the post office online. You can order products, order stamps, excuse me, order postage. We'll actually even come and pick it up. As you can see, We have a problem. We're doing things about it. And that leads us to this Oscillated Post Office and why we're doing what we're doing over there. So I'll introduce Diana for that. |
| 00:19:35.19 | Diana | Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you tonight. You heard Jim describe the financial climate of the Postal Service. So one of the things that we've been tasked to do to help alleviate our financial crisis is to right size our facilities portfolio. And we have been doing that since 2009. We've been doing that nationally, so this isn't anything new. Since 2009, we've actually had a net reduction of 14 million square feet. And if you want to know what 14 million square feet actually looks like, it is the size of four Disney lands. So that's a lot of space, yes. So with that, with those studies, we call those optimization studies, and South Salido was part of our optimization studies. We've been able to get out of 186 owned buildings and terminate for 134 for leases for that net reduction of 14 million square feet. So getting to the plans. Back in December, we initiated our proposal to start the relocation of the South Salido Post Office, and in March, we held a public meeting. And in April, we had the approval to move forward where we put the building for sale and we started to look for replacement retail space, which we never did find because the zoning here is quite restrictive. We then had buyers approach us saying that, you know, they'd like to buy the building, but they would allow us to keep the square footage that we needed. We only need approximately 4,000 square feet, so that's what we're going to do. So we'll be actually remaining in place and leasing back just the small portion of the building that we need. the delivery routes will move to Mill Valley so we can shrink it down to the 4,000 square feet. This is the portion of the building where we will be retaining. So where you kind of walk into the post office right now, we have the the nice part of the building and of course the buyer since we're already established and everybody knows where we were, you know, we're moving to the other side of the building, so we'll start building that out once we close escrow. |
| 00:22:05.34 | Diana | This is just, I mean, if you're into the architect kind of stuff, what the actual floor plan's going to be inside the space that we will retain. And just a little bit about next steps. We do have a buyer. We will close escrow May 16th. At that point, we're thinking at some point in June, the carriers will move to Mill Valley. We'll renovate our new space. And then we will have the retail open for business. There will be no break in service because we cannot do that. We have to provide service. So it won't be closed at all. And I just wanted to kind of give you a a look of what our new modern – we have some new retail standards of what your new post office is going to look like. It's going to have – you know, it's going to be on the other side of the building, so actually it will be new construction. It's going to look like a brand new post office. This is the PO Box lobby. I don't know if they have an APC there or not. They don't. Okay, well, that's one of our automated machines. And this is what the new retail lobby will look like. So we hope that everybody's pleased with that. And that's our plan. |
| 00:23:23.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, can I ask a couple questions just for clarity? |
| 00:23:23.22 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. Um, Yeah, what I'd like to do tonight is we'll ask one question. And we'll go around to each council person, and then we'll start the second round of questions. So you can ask your first question. |
| 00:23:37.38 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, thank you. So will residents still be able then to, like if they have a Christmas package, will they be able to come here and mail their packages and everything? Thank you. Okay, great. So I'll withhold my next question. |
| 00:23:53.68 | Thomas Theodores | Are any of the, are all the services the same? I noticed that there'll be PO boxes and you'll have a counter. Are you losing any of the services? Thank you. |
| 00:24:01.85 | Unknown | No. |
| 00:24:02.89 | Jim Wigdell | Everything will be exactly the same, even if the mailbox number is lost. I know we'll have to change our address or business card or phone. |
| 00:24:09.71 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:24:13.29 | Ray Withy | That was a very clear presentation. I had no questions. |
| 00:24:16.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:16.78 | Ray Withy | The only questions that folks had asked me is, are the number of boxes going to stay the same? So if you have an existing box, you won't be out of luck. And you answered that. And the proposed use for the new, the rest of the building, can you shed any light as to what that will be? |
| 00:24:20.49 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 00:24:30.65 | Diana | Pacific equity partners are the buyers. |
| 00:24:34.72 | Ray Withy | and |
| 00:24:34.91 | Diana | And we actually don't know what their use will be. I think it's going to be empty for a while. |
| 00:24:34.94 | Keo Cecil Raditz | Thank you. |
| 00:24:41.20 | Diana | We weren't that concerned because your zoning is so restrictive that |
| 00:24:46.48 | Ray Withy | Well, it's so restrictive that they can't do anything, actually, until they redo the zoning for that district. Right, but we can do it. Unless they want to be a post office themselves, they're out of luck. Right, right. |
| 00:24:50.97 | Diana | for that district. Right, but we can do it. they're out of luck. Right, right. What we can do is provide the city their information, and if they wanted to come make a presentation to you, that's fine. I don't know, if you want the information. I think it's not a whole lot's going to go on there for a long time. |
| 00:24:56.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:25:04.29 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 00:25:04.37 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 00:25:04.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:25:10.80 | Diana | you Thank you. |
| 00:25:12.57 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So I saw one of your slides, you had kind of a red triangle that identified the portion you were going to retain. But I noticed the red triangle kind of extended beyond the current boundaries. Are you extending the footprint of the current building? Or are you just, okay. |
| 00:25:20.55 | Debbie | And... |
| 00:25:20.57 | Diana | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:25:26.51 | Diana | or you just... No, that's the portion of the site that will be retaining because we want to make sure that our customers have enough parking. |
| 00:25:34.32 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Perfect. That was great. Okay, thank you. |
| 00:25:41.34 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 00:25:45.07 | Ray Withy | Thank you for coming. Appreciate that. |
| 00:25:47.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 00:25:59.55 | Ray Withy | from the citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. Except in very limited situation, state law precludes the council from taking action or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. Is there anybody here that would like to speak on an item that is not on the agenda? Please come up and state your name. |
| 00:26:30.55 | Unknown | Yeah, yeah. |
| 00:26:36.93 | Alex Kushef | Good evening members of City Council and citizens of South Salido. My name is Alex Kushef. I'm the owner of 201 Bridgeway. I've been working closely for about a year now with the Sanitation District to revise the pump at the foot of Main Station. Many of you know this as the pump. It's the walkway on the way to the beach, the Swedes Beach. It's heavily trafficked. About a year ago, to bring everyone up to date, the Sanitation District very quietly proposed a plan to put a temporary generator on the site that was going to last for about 20 to 30 years and it would run and according to their engineer it would be as loud as a diesel truck. That's what was presented to the Planning Commission. The plan was just so far off base that the Planning Commission asked for some more information. They immediately changed their plan within about two weeks and actually decided to actually work in the pump house and revise that. It's amazing that once they were urged by citizens at personal costs to look into a better solution, they were able to come up with one within two weeks. So they did not increase their footprint or put a portable generator that was going to sound like a diesel truck in between the Portofino and the Valhalla where citizens walked by. So now they're working on this project. They all did a phase one, which they did a beautiful job. They're gonna be doing phase two in summer. And that's where we are with this email that I passed out. So I've been working with Craig Justice at the Sanitation District. So their current proposal, and I just want to bring you up to date, I have nothing to do with this. I've learned that if I care about any of these matters, it costs me a lot of money immediately. So I'm just making you aware of what's about to happen. They need a portable generator for four months while the pump station is down. Their solutions are to use the parking lot in the Valhalla, to use the space right next to it, which would be very loud for the Portofino. They've elected to float a barge in Richardson Bay right in front of our waterfront during the America's Cup. That's what this email states. So I just want to make the city aware that the sanitation district is what they're proposing right now is to float a barge with a generator on it in front of our city during the America's |
| 00:29:05.19 | Ray Withy | OK. |
| 00:29:06.64 | Alex Kushef | I'm tired of being strong-armed by the sanitation district. I just want to make you aware of it. No, we appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. |
| 00:29:12.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:29:12.70 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:29:14.66 | Alex Kushef | you |
| 00:29:16.95 | Paul Ronan | Thank you. |
| 00:29:21.93 | Paul Ronan | Excuse me. My name is Paul Ronan and I live at 63 Atwood and I've lived in town for about 45 years. And I just want to ask a little help from the city maybe. And it's in relation to Spencer Avenue. coming down from the fire station down to Prospect, which is a stop sign, there are two stop signs there. Um, I have, if I'm going north, I live on Atwood, so if I'm going north on 101, I go up to Spencer. And when I'm coming back, I come back down to Spencer. And I also, my wife and I, use marine air porters. and many times You get off from an airport and you try to get a taxi and you can't. So you have to walk down expensive. And I'm not sure how many people do this, but when you do, You take your life in your hands. And then over and above that, if you're driving that road between the new stop sign at Volcker or... Volcker. What is it? |
| 00:30:19.90 | Ray Withy | . |
| 00:30:19.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:30:20.03 | Ray Withy | Booker. What is it? |
| 00:30:21.99 | Paul Ronan | Booker. and Prospect. There's parking on the right-hand side. I can't tell you the number of times I've lost a side view mirror on my car. But you drive down there sometime and you see and the other side of the road. and they don't have side view mirrors. They're hanging there. I'm sure if you check with the police department, you're gonna find a lot of complaints There's a lot of accidents that happen. I just don't understand why there is pocking in that stretch of road. I understand there's no parking maybe for the houses up there, But there's a safety issue that's It's dramatic. It's getting, it doesn't get any better. It kind of gets worse. And if there's any trucks that come down there, What happens is It boggles the mind that parked cars have to pull off and go into somebody's driveway to let a truck go by. So there's not enough room. We all know how to drive around Sausalito. But that stretch of road, is a nightmare. So I just want to say, is there anything the town can do or maybe the city can do to alleviate the problem? Because someday, Something really, somebody's going to kill. on that Road. walking down or driving or something like that. That's all I have. My time is up here. Thank you. I appreciate your help. |
| 00:31:40.27 | Ray Withy | Okay, thank you. Thank you for that. We can't, as the mayor said, comment on it, but I think the city manager and the public works director will follow up on your issue. And the same is true for the comment before on the barge. |
| 00:31:54.97 | Ray Withy | Okay. Any other public comment on items that are not on the agenda? Okay. |
| 00:32:03.01 | Ray Withy | We're almost there. You kids have been very good. |
| 00:32:05.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:32:05.99 | Ray Withy | Hang in there, the bathrooms are right here by the way. |
| 00:32:06.03 | Ray Withy | Hang in there. the here, by the way. And there are new ones too. Uh... At this time here, I'd like to move for the acceptance of the minutes of the council meeting of April 2nd. |
| 00:32:22.90 | Jacques Ullman | Thank you. |
| 00:32:23.69 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:32:23.71 | Ray Withy | Thanks. |
| 00:32:23.90 | Ray Withy | Second. |
| 00:32:24.20 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:32:24.64 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have one edit on the page. It's four, four of five, and it's line 41. This was the agenda item that I moved to reconsider because it removed four parking spaces downtown. |
| 00:32:24.88 | Ray Withy | favor. Yeah. |
| 00:32:28.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:32:46.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:32:47.03 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:32:47.05 | Unknown | and, |
| 00:32:47.35 | Thomas Theodores | and... |
| 00:32:47.61 | Unknown | you |
| 00:32:47.88 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. I remember first. |
| 00:32:49.26 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I said page four. |
| 00:32:49.31 | Thomas Theodores | I... I'll paint the item number. |
| 00:32:53.71 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Item 7B and it's line 41. Oh, you don't have the lines on your electronics. I see. |
| 00:32:59.43 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:32:59.45 | Unknown | on your electric. |
| 00:33:01.27 | Unknown | I got it. |
| 00:33:01.54 | Vicki Nichols | I see. |
| 00:33:02.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:03.42 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, 7B. |
| 00:33:04.90 | Unknown | seven days, future, and I need to see it tonight. |
| 00:33:07.47 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Alrighty, so it says Council Member Pfeiffer then noted that she had in fact had questions regarding item 4D, regarding the loss of parking. So the gist of that conversation, the reason why I was making the motion for reconsideration was the loss of parking. So I just wanted to make that clear. Just add those one, two, three, four, five words. And the loss of parking. |
| 00:33:32.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:35.41 | Ray Withy | These are action minutes again. And if we're going to go back to the |
| 00:33:37.27 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And there were action minutes, and that was the action. |
| 00:33:39.48 | Ray Withy | No, your action is to move to reconsider item 4D. That's all that technically needs to go in there. If you, otherwise we're going to go through this every single time, which we tend to do anyway. |
| 00:33:40.12 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:33:40.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:49.32 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | It's clarity. We had a long conversation about why I was moving for reconsideration. |
| 00:33:54.14 | Ray Withy | Yes, but these are action- |
| 00:33:55.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:55.85 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, they're action minutes, but I noticed that some of the actions include, for example, I asked for clarification on the Butte Street Task Force organizing. So there is a certain amount of subjectiveness in some of these minutes. |
| 00:34:12.32 | Ray Withy | Where's that that you're referring to? |
| 00:34:14.24 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'm talking about page five of five and if you look at some of the |
| 00:34:19.61 | Ray Withy | H55, that doesn't help me. What item is it? |
| 00:34:23.24 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, it's under the same... However, during discussions, staff did clarify some of her questions. |
| 00:34:31.10 | Keo Cecil Raditz | with the |
| 00:34:31.20 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | This follows my reconsideration. It's under 7B, future agenda items, what I just read after the vote, At the top it says, however, during discussions staff did clarify some of her questions. The implication there is that I was okay with the answers, and I was not. |
| 00:34:50.25 | Ray Withy | Okay, why don't we just remove that? We don't need the staff actions in the body. |
| 00:34:52.65 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, why don't you add just the five words that clarify my position? |
| 00:34:57.47 | Ray Withy | because it's not, it's actually, it's not, my position's not here, Herb's position's not here, so it's all about the vote is your position. |
| 00:35:03.04 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, but this, Jonathan, you're being, well. No, because you, we do this every meeting. It's a subjective, no, we don't do this every meeting. |
| 00:35:06.37 | Ray Withy | No, because we do this every meeting. Choose language. So go ahead and make the motion and let's call the vote. |
| 00:35:13.36 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I move to add and the loss of parking to the fact that I had questions. Questions regarding item 4D and the loss of parking. |
| 00:35:25.39 | Unknown | Thank you. Can I have a second? It doesn't need a second. |
| 00:35:29.66 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:35:29.74 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:35:29.98 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:35:30.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:31.22 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:35:31.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:31.28 | Ray Withy | Debbie, would you call on the roll, please? |
| 00:35:36.84 | Debbie | Council member Pfeiffer. |
| 00:35:38.16 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 00:35:39.29 | Debbie | Council member Theodorus. |
| 00:35:40.68 | Thomas Theodores | No, but because of the comments of Council Member Leon, I think we could go through these minutes every night for a long time if we try to clarify and add every clarification. If it's misleading, I think we need to change it, but just to add extra text, I don't think so, so I would say no. |
| 00:35:59.93 | Debbie | Council Member Withey. |
| 00:36:01.57 | Thomas Theodores | No. |
| 00:36:03.42 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Leone. |
| 00:36:04.62 | Ray Withy | No. |
| 00:36:05.60 | Debbie | Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:36:06.44 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:36:06.46 | Ray Withy | No. |
| 00:36:06.70 | Ray Withy | you So I'll just amend, make a motion to amend the minutes to remove the however during, item 7B, however during discussion staff did clarify some of the questions. It's not necessary to clarify what staff does in the action minutes. So if we could remove that, is there a second for that? |
| 00:36:25.33 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:36:25.36 | Thomas Theodores | second. |
| 00:36:25.87 | Ray Withy | Thank you. you |
| 00:36:26.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:26.54 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:36:26.57 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:36:26.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:26.73 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:36:27.45 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? |
| 00:36:29.49 | Thomas Theodores | I know. |
| 00:36:31.96 | Ray Withy | Okay. Let's move next to the minutes of the April 23rd meeting. Move for approval. |
| 00:36:32.47 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:36:32.48 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:36:42.45 | Ray Withy | So move. |
| 00:36:43.65 | Ray Withy | Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 00:36:45.73 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:36:45.74 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 00:36:47.91 | Ray Withy | Okay, now we'll move on to the consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are not considered routine and non-controversial Require no discussion, I accept that they have a unanimous Council support and may be enacted by the Council in one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion of consent calendar items. However, before the Council votes on a motion to adapt. The consent calendar items, council members, city staff, or members of the public. may request that specific items be removed from the consent calendar for separate actions. At this time here, are there any questions from the City Council? Thank you. |
| 00:37:29.99 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, just to draw your attention to the fact that you do have one late mail item on item 4B. Thank you. |
| 00:37:37.89 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:37:38.02 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:37:38.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:38.07 | Ray Withy | What's the heat? This item, the New Village School item. |
| 00:37:42.83 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:37:44.18 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. |
| 00:37:46.75 | Ray Withy | At this time here, why don't we just move along and get the comments from the public on this, please. What's up? |
| 00:37:57.31 | Greg Price | Thank you. I'm Greg Price, president of the New Village School Board, and we have a large group here wanting to express our gratitude to the city. It was four and a half years ago, Jonathan, if you remember, where we met with yourself and other council member and Adam and Mary and Charlie, where we had this crazy idea of starting a school in an abandoned room at the MLK site, and that's grown from 16 kids to nearly 100 kids. To the city, it's met revenue with the passing of this amendment of $120,000 a year in space for the most part has been unrentened and just used for storage. So we have a few Saucyutu residents just to express their gratitude for that. We've never spoken to the city council as a group before. So if there are questions, the kids can speak in several languages, even Portuguese. And we are holding our graduation in the Portuguese Hall, actually. So part of the city. As far as some stats, over a quarter of our families live in Sausalito. One if I land, two if I see. If you want to raise your hands. We have several folks who live on the water in Galilee and Waldo Point as well as Kappas. And then we have nearly 40% of our families receive some tuition assistance. So we're working to keep the costs low as well as making the school as affordable as possible and making it a very magical place. So I will step aside and let the students |
| 00:38:47.40 | Unknown | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 00:38:50.05 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 00:38:53.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:38:53.03 | Jeremy Graves | That's great. Thank you. |
| 00:39:30.72 | Greg Price | you |
| 00:39:32.18 | Darren Joy | . Thank you, my name's Darren Joy, I live at Liberty Dock. I'm a Sausalito resident for over a decade. It's difficult to predict how the impact that a new venture is going to have on the community. Six years ago, I started my business here in Sausalito, and this last year, your folks honored us with the Green Business of the Year Award for Life Factory, so thank you very much for that. My experience with New Village School started before I even knew about New Village School. We were starting to look for schools around when our child was three years old, and we, like a lot of our friends, were feeling that we were going to have to move out of Sausalita, and this is a very common perception. And so we started to look at schools in other places, and at the same time, Life Factory business was growing and we were going to potentially relocate our business also. There's some locations that might work better for some of the people who work for us. So once we found... |
| 00:40:01.75 | Jacques Ullman | Thank you. you |
| 00:40:33.37 | Ray Withy | have you considered the post office |
| 00:40:35.40 | Darren Joy | Yeah. Ha, ha, ha, ha. We're right across the street, actually. |
| 00:40:46.37 | Darren Joy | Thank you. |
| 00:40:46.42 | Unknown | your train of thought there I |
| 00:40:46.43 | Darren Joy | your train of thought. I couldn't resist. |
| 00:40:47.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:40:47.83 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:40:47.97 | Unknown | this |
| 00:40:51.01 | Darren Joy | Once we discovered New Village School, we knew that that was the right place for us. And my business has signed a new three-year lease here in Sausalito, and so it's all staying right here. And we plan on going all the way through eighth grade in this school if we can. So anyway, thank you for your consideration in allowing the school to stay here. |
| 00:41:13.25 | Justine Prestwich | Thank you, I'm Justine Prestwich. I live at 91 Santa Rosa Avenue. And I'm part of one of the families that moved here specifically to be near the new village school from Arizona in fact. And we had pretty much scoured the entire Bay Area to find a school that was a good fit for a seven-year-old son. |
| 00:41:13.32 | Darren Joy | THANK YOU. |
| 00:41:35.20 | Justine Prestwich | And we found plenty of schools we liked, but not one that we loved. And when we met Mynia, that was it. Our search was over, so as a result, we moved here and were definitely here to stay. It's a fantastic school. I think, quite frankly, we'd all love to go to the New Village School. as you can see is very community orientated. It really is a village, it's a family. It appreciates every little aspect of Sausalito. We've got kids out on Spoonamaka Beach, on Rodeo Beach, up in the Marin. headlands, picking up litter at Willow Creek every single day of every week. So the combination of having a school that is so visionary, so expansive in its thinking, in a location that's so epically beautiful and varied as Sorcellito almost too good to be true, and We are so appreciative. Thank you so much for signing the lease four years ago and giving this. giving us this opportunity to bring an embryo of a school into what it is now. Thank you for your trust. Thank you for your vision. |
| 00:42:44.36 | Keo Cecil Raditz | Hello, my name is Keo Cecil Raditz. I live at 837 Minjee Street in Sausalito. I've been a resident for over 12 years. I'm the program director for Point Bonito IMCA, Outdoor Education Center in the Mernheadlands. I have been working with schools in this area, over 5,000 schools, I mean 5,000 students a year and hundreds of schools in my career. And when I had a daughter who's now a first grader at New Village School, I was also searching for a school that would meet my desire and my needs. And when I found New Village School, It was beyond my expectations. I'm also a Waldorf-trained teacher, I found something beyond what I thought I could expect, and not only Are the teaching staff superb? but it is a school that is not just teaching my child to read and write. But being a human being who's going to be of service to the world and This has not just transformed our family, but our community. And I am so grateful to find this school where I work, and where I live, and where my heart is. And without this, I wouldn't be able to stay in this community. And I really, really am grateful for this opportunity. Thank you. |
| 00:44:00.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:44:01.05 | John Webb | Are there any questions from the council? |
| 00:44:02.61 | Unknown | you Thank you. you |
| 00:44:06.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:44:06.05 | Ray Withy | Any questions? We have any questions? |
| 00:44:06.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:44:06.25 | Ray Withy | I'm not. |
| 00:44:06.42 | Unknown | We are. |
| 00:44:07.03 | Ray Withy | any. Yeah, Greg, let me just say, and for those who don't know, I know Greg because my daughter used to go to school with a year or two children. |
| 00:44:18.82 | Greg Price | Just one set of twins, not two twins. Thank you. |
| 00:44:22.03 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 00:44:22.15 | Greg Price | Sorry, I didn't mean to make it even harder for you. |
| 00:44:22.20 | Ray Withy | Sorry, I didn't mean to make it even harder for you. |
| 00:44:24.71 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:44:24.73 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. |
| 00:44:25.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:44:25.05 | Greg Price | Thank you. |
| 00:44:25.07 | Ray Withy | You'll find out when you go home. |
| 00:44:35.97 | Linda | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:45:48.90 | Linda | you |
| 00:45:52.21 | Unknown | I'm going to be here in these days. I'm going to be here. |
| 00:45:55.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I'd like to say, and I want to thank you for all coming tonight. And I just want to say that it's very clear to us, all of us, that the New Village School is such an asset to this community. And we so appreciate everything you, not only you bring to this community, the choices you give to the parents and the children, but also just the fabric of that community spirit and what that means to Sausalito. It's very important to us. Thank you. |
| 00:46:28.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:28.81 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:46:29.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:29.15 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. Well, thank you all for coming out tonight, and we do appreciate the show of spirit, and when we are working out the fine print of the leases, it's good to see. bringing a face to it all. I also appreciated that you invited us there and we were able to see your campus. I can see you all in action. and we really appreciate that. Apologies for keeping you up a little late tonight, but hopefully you'll learn a few things. Tomorrow you have to look up where Qashqai's Portugal is on the map. And then how many post offices are in Disneyland? |
| 00:46:58.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:47:03.52 | Ray Withy | Well, I want to thank, I really double what everybody says, but I just will leave you with it. The new village school is going to be here for a long time, and I think that's what you really want to hear, and it will be. So thank you very much for coming. |
| 00:47:26.57 | Unknown | Yeah. and |
| 00:47:28.63 | Ray Withy | Bye. Your parents should be very proud of you. My kids would not have been as well behaved as you. And if they're listening at home, yes, I'm talking to you. Thanks very much, Greg. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:47:39.79 | Unknown | I don't know. Thank you. |
| 00:47:46.49 | Ray Withy | All right. |
| 00:47:47.50 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:47:47.51 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:47:47.53 | Ray Withy | So I move to accept |
| 00:47:47.67 | Ray Withy | So I moved to |
| 00:47:51.03 | Ray Withy | one formal item before you go just to accept your and sign your lease so to speak so hold on one second so I move to accept the consent calendar |
| 00:47:59.46 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:47:59.97 | Thomas Theodores | Second? |
| 00:48:01.25 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:48:01.27 | Ray Withy | All of them. |
| 00:48:01.64 | Ray Withy | David? |
| 00:48:01.86 | Ray Withy | Thanks. |
| 00:48:02.23 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 00:48:02.25 | Unknown | Hi. |
| 00:48:02.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:48:04.00 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:48:04.07 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:48:19.83 | Unknown | Now go to bed. Thank you. |
| 00:48:34.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:38.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:48:51.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:51.99 | Unknown | Thank you. you Thanks. Thank you. |
| 00:49:18.56 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:49:18.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:18.91 | Ray Withy | Hey, Doreen. |
| 00:49:18.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:36.97 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 00:51:03.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:03.28 | Unknown | Hey. |
| 00:51:03.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:28.88 | Unknown | that is tabularized. . |
| 00:51:39.41 | Unknown | Mm. |
| 00:51:45.77 | Unknown | Right. We're ready. Yeah. |
| 00:51:49.20 | Ray Withy | Okay, the next item that we have on is the further reading read by title only and adopt ordinance number 1214, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito readopting the Sausalito Municipal Code. Who's speaking? Adam? Debbie. Debbie. |
| 00:52:15.96 | Debbie | Amen. Well, Thank you. Thank you, Mary and Council Members. Tonight, instead of just immediately moving into the adoption of the ordinance, which is normally your standard, THE COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING prior to Moving forward with this item, I do want to apologize that at 12.15, two weeks ago, I was not sounding the most intelligent when this item came up. And thank goodness for the city attorney who took over and said what needed to be said, It was not going to come out of my mouth. So anyway, this is our ordinance, which is mandated by law before we can produce our new municipal code. So that's what this is. It's on re-adopting the code. basically I just said all that the purposes to have this ordinance is to complete the recodification of all city ordinances and Thank you. A process which we started a little over two years ago And tonight the authorization will formalize this and we will end up with a printed copy. On April 22, Council did, in fact, introduce this item and waived the further reading at that point and continued it to today. Let me take you back for just a second. I'm showing you this. This is what your current municipal code looks like. And believe me, when you see those big, floppy, marks on the page, that's exactly what you get when you have a copy of the Municipal Code. The only code that is currently around is one that is I mean, to me it almost looks like it was typed on a Hi, Brighter. The quality is poor. It's got the three hole punch. You'll notice up at the top it's got the 3.2.010 Down at the bottom it just has this Sausalito 6-90 and probably no one knows what any of that means So this is what it's going to look like. Instead, you get this nice, beautiful, clear two-column copy. This is exactly what was on the previous page. It's the same exact section of the municipal code. instead of up in that upper corner, instead of it saying 3.2, One, two, it now says transient occupancy tax. Um, And then as far as when it was last updated, you just simply see those updates within the paragraphs. So that's what your new one will look like if you do, in fact, adopt this ordinance. Your current online code Looks like this. Uh, It's... nice on that page. But then you'll notice little things like, If you see under Title 11, it says, for the most current copy of the codified orange, ordinance. Click on this link and it takes you to somewhere else in the in the website. So that's all going to change. You also see here you get down to the bottom of your titles. You've got your index, your statutory references, your tables, and then whole bunch of ordinances and it's something like 30 some odd ordinances are listed because that's how long it's been since we had any form of codification. If you were to click on one of those links, You go back to what that very first page looks like. strictly a PDF copy. And as one of my council members loves to point out, our PDF copies are not searchable. |
| 00:55:56.94 | Linda | just |
| 00:55:57.80 | Debbie | I did not name any names. I'm not. Um. You're new. online code will look something like one of these two styles. And I'm sorry that the one up in the top didn't come out real clear. But that's the city of Berkeley, and the city of Berkeley has a navigation line At the top. that is, WHAT THE CITY OF SAUSELITO WILL BE GOING TO WITH OUR NEW WEBSITE WHERE THAT IS always on every single page. Your links never change. The one on the bottom in the lower right-hand corner is from the city of Petaluma. And that's the typical code publishing version where it's just the city name listed their logo and the code within. All of this is totally searchable. printable and clean. |
| 00:56:55.45 | Debbie | So that's where we're headed. I'm trying to get nice, beautiful, clean copies. Probably none of you will want to have the 1,000 page version. You'll probably just want to have it online. Um, We'll have it loaded into your iPads, totally available to you. And so unless the city attorney has something else to add to this, or if you have any questions, I'll let you go ahead and move to open up your public hearing. |
| 00:57:21.76 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, if I can just add quickly a fact that I think you guys already know. When I first started as city attorney here, the ordinance was handled, or excuse me, the municipal code was updated and handled by a a code publishing company, so what they do is take every new ordinance and work it into your existing framework so you don't have to go and search to see if something has been modified. It's evolved considerably from 10 years ago, so that now those ordinances will be put into the online version very quickly. and that that version will be updated Um, continually and the most up-to-date regulations will be available to your city staff, to yourselves, and to the public. And I think that that's kind of an understated fact, but it's going to be incredibly important to the people who are trying to to see what the regulations are in Sausalito for a particular topic. So not only will it be searchable, but it will also be up to date. And you don't have to worry that there's something that you missed that's back, you know, hiding somewhere. I think that's a very important point. And I think you should be proud that you've taken the steps to get it to this point and, you know, funded the process and are going to fund what has become a less expensive process to keep it updated annually and continually. There's no changes that you're being presented with tonight. It's really just taking the existing ordinances that you've already adopted and putting them into a new format. There's some cleanup changes, typo changes, things that Code Publishing worked with Debbie on to make sure were consistent. but there's no substantive changes that are being presented to you tonight as part of this process. |
| 00:59:08.79 | Ray Withy | Okay, thank you. Any questions? Do we have any questions up here? |
| 00:59:15.36 | Thomas Theodores | Well, thanks Debbie for that presentation. And I'm glad you took Herb's advice about the searchability. And I know that was long in the process, but I'm happy to see it. But the question, I know there's not changes in the substance and such, but is there changes in organization at all? |
| 00:59:24.62 | Unknown | And I know. |
| 00:59:33.53 | Thomas Theodores | No. Titles and that type of thing? |
| 00:59:33.55 | Mary Wagner | No. It's not even renumbered, I don't believe. No, so whatever was adopted by the ordinance that put the regulations into place, |
| 00:59:35.39 | Thomas Theodores | It's not a good thing. No, so that's not good. |
| 00:59:43.72 | Mary Wagner | remains the same. The title will be the same, the numbering will be the same, unless there was something wrong, you know, unless something was misnumbered or there were typos. but if you're looking for Section 10.9251, it'll still be 10.92.51. Thank you. |
| 00:59:59.37 | Thomas Theodores | And we'll be able to download it to the iPad and not have to go online? Yes. Great. |
| 01:00:02.83 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 01:00:03.06 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:00:06.15 | Ray Withy | Linda, any questions? |
| 01:00:09.07 | Linda | I want to make a question. |
| 01:00:10.47 | Ray Withy | Okay, at this time here, any comments from the public on this item? Having none, let's bring it back here for |
| 01:00:20.04 | Ray Withy | comments. |
| 01:00:20.63 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:00:21.74 | Ray Withy | comment before it goes to vote. So the blank only gives him a question. The comment is that this is one of the things that was cut back in the days when the city budget was less well-managed, I'll say, in terms of priorities. And so that now you couldn't no longer, even the printed version wasn't being updated in the library. So no one really... It was hard if you had to ask Mary or Debbie directly to find out what the current status of the laws in Sal Salido were. Which you could, but this is one of those penny-wise, pound-foolish decisions to stop maintaining your legal documents. But now it's searchable online. It'll be up to date. As soon as you pass something, we send it off to them and they put it in so there's no more confusion. And I think the zoning ordinance is already like this. It's already been codified and up online. So now we're all up to date with. Is that right, Mary, or no? |
| 01:01:15.27 | Mary Wagner | It is. Your planning staff took it upon themselves to literally input |
| 01:01:16.96 | Ray Withy | It's not searchable like this. to |
| 01:01:20.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:20.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:01:22.02 | Mary Wagner | those changes, I believe, and get them available because it was so important that the zoning ordinance be cleaned up. But now that'll all be in one place. |
| 01:01:23.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:23.54 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 01:01:23.79 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:01:26.61 | Ray Withy | from Mm-hmm. Right. So now you can search Pat for 1128, and you'll be able to find it right away. |
| 01:01:39.98 | Unknown | All right. you |
| 01:01:44.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:01:44.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:44.09 | Ray Withy | you |
| 01:01:44.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:44.67 | Ray Withy | Thank you. So I move to waive further reading. I think there was none. That's okay. Move to way further reading. Read by title only and adopt ordinance number 1214, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito readopt in the Sausalito Municipal Code. |
| 01:02:05.30 | Thomas Theodores | Second? Thank you. |
| 01:02:06.01 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 01:02:06.35 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. |
| 01:02:07.97 | Ray Withy | Opposed? Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:02:11.48 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:02:11.50 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:02:14.55 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right. Next item we have is a Plan Bay Area update. And Jeremy Graves. |
| 01:02:28.04 | Jeremy Graves | Mayor Weiner, members of council. The Plan Bay Area has been prepared by the Association of Bay Area Governments and the Metropolitan Transportation Commission pursuant to the requirements of Senate Bill 375, the Sustainable Community Strategy. This draft plan fulfills the Bay Area's Sustainable Community Strategy by housing 100% of the region's projected growth for 2035 and by also reducing greenhouse gases from cars and light trucks by 15% by 2035. To meet these requirements, the draft plan is distributed future growth toward the highly urbanized areas of San Francisco, San Jose, and Oakland, as well as locally designated plan development areas, or PDAs. These PDAs are intended to efficiently utilize existing urbanized land, which is close to major employers and transit corridors in order to minimize the pressure on the outlying open space and undeveloped lands in the Bay Area. the Association of Bay Area Governments and the Metropolitan Transportation Commission have also prepared a draft environmental impact report And public comments are being accepted on that on the draft plan as well as the draft environmental impact report until May 16th. draft plan and draft EIR will have minimal impact on Sausalito since Marin County has been allocated a relatively small increment. of the projected Bay Area-wide growth and housing growth. over the 25-year horizon of the Bay Area plan. and also because the because Sausalito does not have a planned development area or a PDA, And then lastly, neither document compels Sausalito or other cities to build high density, transit-oriented development, nor does either document shift local land use authority to regional agencies. The projected growth in housing for Sausalito by 2014 represents approximately 3% of the county-wide growth in housing. and the projected growth in jobs for Sausalito in 2040 is approximately 8% of the countywide growth in that same year. Your Transportation Authority of Marin or TAM has prepared two draft letters which are attached to your staff report. And the staff recommendation for the council's consideration tonight is to provide direction regarding any comments on this draft plan. and draft EIR. The options that you may consider is to suggest that interested parties provide comment letters directly to ABAG and to the Metropolitan Transportation Commission on the draft plan or draft EIR, or alternatively provide direction to Mayor Weiner as the city's representative to TAM regarding any additional comments or modifications which should be provided in those draft letters Preliminary prepared by TAM. |
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| 01:05:43.63 | Jeremy Graves | We've also invited TAM Executive Director Diane Steinhauser to provide some additional information on the review of the Bay Area plan planning effort. And at this point, I'd like to introduce Diane Steinhauser. Thank you. |
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| 01:06:02.75 | Ray Withy | And Diane, thank you very much for coming here. I know you have such a real... busy schedule, so we really appreciate that. |
| 01:06:11.01 | Diane Steinhauser | It is a pleasure. I don't often get to come here, so I was looking forward to the opportunity educate you and for you to educate me a little bit about your concerns. Good evening Mayor Weiner, members of the Council, key staff, you heard a great an introduction by Jeremy when we get to questions. He may need to jump up and help answer some of those as well. What I want to do this evening is give you a brief background. It's about 15 slides. Touch on some key points. Make sure you understand what other cities and towns are expressing concern about that we will be including in our comment letters and see what ideas you might want to include as well and get your reaction to those ideas. Ooh, very nice. |
| 01:06:57.58 | Diane Steinhauser | Oh, there we go. AB 32 was passed in 2006, Global Warming Solutions Act, signed by Governor Schwarzenegger. nationally significant in what it was trying to do The thing that I want to point out in this slide, there we go, is that AB 32 attached our goals for greenhouse gas emission reduction to a variety of areas. What I'm going to be talking about this evening and the work in the Bay Area right now is regarding that 7%, that Sustainable Community Strategies amount. The interesting thing to look at here is that we often get a lot of questions about, well, what about marine clean energy? That actually is taken into consideration in what AB 32 is trying to take credit for and do in California under renewable energy. What about the fact we're buying electric vehicles or more hybrids? That's also taken into consideration. appear under clean car standards. So when it comes to sustainable community strategies, there was an idea as to how we can make land use decisions work towards greenhouse gas emission reduction. So along came SB 375, passed by Senator Steinberg in 2008. It links land use with regional transportation plans. The key goal in SB 375 is to reduce vehicle miles traveled. The interesting thing about greenhouse gas emissions is for years we were looking at pollutants in the air such as carbon monoxide and reactive organic gases that were very specific to sites and to point emissions. Now we're actually dealing with greenhouse gas emissions which are more volume related. It's more of what we produce by virtue of how much we travel. In the nation, vehicles contribute about 25% motor vehicles to greenhouse gas emissions. In California, that rises to about 40 percent. And so when you look at SB 375 and you're trying to tackle emission reduction, you've got to look at reducing vehicle miles traveled. It's the biggest contributor to greenhouse gases in the state. The SCS is required for each region, and in this nine county Bay Area, it's prepared by ABAG and MTC. SB 375 requires the Historical Regional Transportation Plan and the sustainable community strategies to be integrated. with the regional housing needs assessment, needs allocation, to be folded in as well, and they all become a single document by which the region goes forward. I'm getting a lot of exercise. What the Plan Bay Area does is its goal is to achieve a 7% reduction in GHD by 2020. and more importantly, a 15% reduction per capita by 2035. One of the challenges is that the region's growing. It's supposed to grow from almost 7 million to 9 million. So not only do you have to take into account the growth of population, but you have to try and reduce the per capita GHGs while the region grows. MTC and ABAC started the planning for this back in 2011. Um, back at that time. We had a projected 11% household growth in Marin County. That's been reduced to about 9%. We had a projected 32% jobs growth through all the work that has been done with the cities and towns in Marin working directly with ABAG. we've reduced that as well down to 17%. Our regional housing, and I have a lot more detail on this coming up, has been reduced substantially from a total of 33.92 households to 24.36. The land use element of Planned Bay Area is meant to achieve 9% of that 15% reduction. These are the goals of that Planned Bay Area land use element, recognize diversity, create jobs to try and sustain our regional economy, protect our natural environment and open space. And don't forget, Marin is 84%. protected agricultural and open space, and create a network of complete communities, PDAs, as Jeremy mentioned, the growth in this sustainable community strategies is oriented towards priority development areas, self-nominated. In fact, in 2007-8, by jurisdictions around the Bay. In Marin, there's two plan PDAs. They kind of have a higher standard in it the zoning has been done to go along with them. One in downtown San Rafael at the Transit Center, one around Civic Center, in the vicinity of the Smart Station at Civic Center Drive and Veterans Way. There's also potential PDAs. There's six areas of potential PDAs. The nearest one to you is probably Tam Junction, which the county has and is looking at for potential growth in housing. They're getting a lot of feedback, I think, indicating they're going to step away from that, in my opinion. But there is some activity in Marinwood at the old Bell Market site for development, and there's a few other areas that the county's considering. But those are potential, so they don't have the zoning and the finality of becoming areas of more denser development yet. This is Marin's numbers under Plan Bay Area. It's a very small amount of the growth. As mentioned, it's about 9%. I'm going to have another graph a little later that's going to dig into that a little more. There is an issue that we're going to be including in our comment letter regarding our population projections. The Department of Finance released some numbers in January. that show a very low growth in the Bay Area with respect to population. We had an independent analysis done. We'd be glad to share with you in a little more detail. by the Marin Economic Forum. This is Rob Eiler and his group that somewhat concluded that 3% growth in the Bay Area over a 28-year period is too low. It was based on statewide statistics. It wasn't based on the Bay Area's economy. ABAG, on the other hand, is projecting a 13% growth in the Bay Area. 10% more. for the Bay Area in general. because they're basing it on the economy and the strength of our economy and the fact that we're gonna be attracting both professional jobs as well as service jobs. When DOF released these low forecasts, there was a lot of concern that came with it. Are we projecting too much growth in population, therefore we're requiring too many households And what about these DOF numbers? And there's been a lot of explaining as to the difference. I kind of gave you the summary right there with DOF doing statewide ABAG basing there more on job growth. And the commitment is to get these two working together when we update the plan next time. All this work, which started three years ago, happens every four years. So about a year from now, we'll be starting all this planning activity all over again. What fun. The regional housing needs allocation. This is scheduled for adoption by ABAC in July. Regional Transportation Plan, the Sustainable Community Strategy on Housing, and RENA. While you as a local jurisdiction aren't required to meet the Sustainable Community Strategy 28-year forecast for 2040. You are required under separate state law to address in your housing element the RHNA expectations. And you've done that with your housing element adoption. So good for you. And I agree the impact on you in this current process is rather minimal. You can see right here the 22, 92 total housing units for the next cycle in Marin were a very small amount of the Bay Area, about 1.2%. In fact, I think one of these separate pieces of paper that I handed you might exhibit that well. Yeah, if you look at this little separate handout right here, it's something we just got from ABAG in the last day or two. It shows at the bottom chart what percentage of the regional housing allocated by county. Marin is about 1.2% of the housing Bay Area wide. We're about 3% of the population Bay Area wide. We get about 3% of the population Bay Area wide. We get about 4% of the money Bay Area wide. So we're doing pretty good in that we acted to Thank you. make sure ABAG understood how little open space we have for housing even though we're taking on more population, a challenge for us to be able to house population and our workers. And we're still able to get a good share of the region's funds. So as one speaker at a recent council meeting said, we got a break in terms of Marin County having a very low percentage of the housing Bay Area-wide. And you can see for you what that means in terms of the last cycle of units at 165 and the upcoming cycle of units at 79. And so we're understanding that you should be able to meet the expectations of this next arena cycle with what you've already done. I'm going to jump to funding for a minute. Most of the revenue in the transportation part of the Planned Bay Area is committed. That means that by law, statute, public adoption of funding plans, it's already designated. Only a very small amount is discretionary, $57 billion. Most of that, if you add that up, it's 80 percent, goes to maintenance. It goes to maintaining roads and transit systems. A very small amount goes to transit expansion, and a very small amount goes to road and bridge expansion. In that road expansion, MTC has a climate program. I want to point this out to you. It's about 630 million. It achieves the other percent reduction in the 15% target. So 9% is achieved by housing. This is the 7%. which is, or 6.6, Achieved by Climate Programs. I would like to come back to you at some point and give you updates on these programs. These are the key elements that are meant to achieve greenhouse gas emission reduction region-wide. We have a number of these programs always started in Marin. TAM does, that we've been working closely with staff all over the county, whether it's our Vanpool Incentive Program. We're going to be starting a fleet vehicle rebate program. We hope to take through the TAM board in July or September. So if you want to turn over your fleet vehicles and go hybrid or go electric, we'll hopefully be able to give you you know, $5,000 per vehicle to help you achieve that, lowering greenhouse gas emissions. We have an extensive network. of electric vehicle charger stations. We finished about 21. under a California Energy Commission grant that have gone in. And our innovative grant program, we're doing a dynamic ride share. It's a smart phone application that lets you catch a ride by registering on a website in your corridor. with your destination and doing ride sharing almost spontaneously. So we've got some of this stuff already going. This is where MTC, all of these, hopes to achieve the rest of their greenhouse gas emission reduction. The alternatives. I want to turn you now to the other little piece of paper I handed out, which is right here, which shows the various alternatives. MTC's staff recommended alternatives, that alternative too. called Plan Bay Area. It does achieve the SB 375 greenhouse gas emission target. It has focus of growth in self-appointed PDAs. We can answer questions about some of these other alternatives. Obviously, what I want to point out Alternative one, the NO project, and alternative four, the enhanced network, do not achieve the SB 375 target. If they were to be adopted by MTCNA BAG, transportation funding would freeze for about one to two years because you are required by law to achieve the SB 375 targets. So they're probably going to stay away from the alternatives that don't meet SB 375. And there's some other details about these alternatives I'd be glad to answer if any of you have detailed questions. Our comments. Let me talk just very briefly about our comments on the plan and then our comments on the EIR. We want the plan to recognize that we're doing more than just building houses. I've always said it's hard to build 2,000 units of housing in Marin, but we have marine clean energy, We have a great electric vehicle program. We're doing things to get people into van pools and car pools. We're doing electric vehicles. We have the highest percentage of hybrid vehicle purchases in the state of California, County. we probably have the highest percentage of electric vehicle purchases in the state of California by county. We're going to become a pilot county for a very extensive electric vehicle purchase and rebate program on the regional level, as well as the one I just described to you, which is the fleet vehicle program TAM's doing. So we can take credit for all that, and we think that this plan should look more towards, you know, green business and recycling and green building to try and take more credit for those opportunities in greenhouse gas emission reduction. So that's one comment. We make a comment, which many councils have jumped on the bandwagon, regarding this differentiation in growth. DOF says 3%. ABAG says 13% or more in the Bay Area. That needs to be reconciled, and if you can't do it now, you need to do it in the next planning cycle. Sea level rise. There is some evidence in the plan in the EIR on what happens regionally with respect to evaluating sea level rise, but it's very The general sentiment is it's not treated very broadly. It's not treated very specifically. One of our comments is that they need to develop an action plan and evaluate the impacts of sea level rise on both transportation and housing and community and economy. So they pledged to start a process under this regional consortium of agencies called the Joint Policy Committee to look at sea level rise more thoroughly. And we really want to strongly support that because of the impacts of sea level rise on communities in Marin, including yours. So we want to put a real strong emphasis on more analysis and action around the potential for sea level rise. Sequel reform, and I'm not sure. There was a effort through this EIR to create a opportunity for tiered CEQA environmental documents. So this EIR would approve housing at these priority development area or transportation priority areas around the region. If you came along and wanted to do a development in one of those areas, you could tier off of that document. We're getting a lot more resistance to this in the communities in Marin than acceptance. So one of our comments is going to be that these uniform standards of doing CEQA approvals on housing development don't necessarily apply to every jurisdiction. And they shouldn't be mandated, and we should be free to do what we want and look at specifics for each site. And so we're going to emphasize that in the letter that we make. And then finally, housing unit definition. We don't include college housing. We don't include assisted living units. The state, let me say, I shouldn't say we. HCD, State Housing Community Development, has a very narrow definition of what's considered a household unit. And we want that expanded to include senior units, assisted living, second units to include college dorms, etc. So there's a lot of counties around the region that are pushing for this right now. And this comes through ABAG to HCD. We want this to be defended by ABAG and their discussions with HCD. The DEIR, this is the 1300 page document that some people have read. I'm looking at Jeremy, he's smiling. We kind of divided it up in parts in my agency. There's been a lot of comment at the public hearings and through the councils that It's not enough time to really absorb what's in that document. It came out for a 55-day comment period. It's 1,300 pages. We're probably going to be asking for It's a time extension if people want to make additional comments there. That's very likely to come through the TAM letter. Again, the aggressive growth in the region, the population growth, and how that dovetails into housing growth, that needs to be further defined for some jurisdictions. That's a little aggressive, including many of the jurisdictions in Marin, over the 30-year period. Over the short RENA cycle, just about everybody is agreeable to their housing numbers. But one thing that we should make sure everyone understands is they took a 28-year period from 2012 to 2040, That first RHNA cycle of eight years is not a third of the 28. It's actually much lower. So they're starting slowly in their household expectations. That means they've got to catch up later and do an even higher proportional share. They did that so everybody could kind of adjust to this PDA focus growth strategy. But it's going to catch up with us later for some jurisdictions, the jobs and housing growth, we heard this last time at the San Rafael Council, is too much over the entire 28 year period. Not bad for this first eight years, but later on it's going to be difficult to meet. Mitigations for sea level rise need to be a priority, and then finally again the housing unit definition. So this is the schedule that we're on. There's a forum Thursday, was it Tuesday? Thursday at Dominican University, choosing the future we want. It's about housing at 7 p.m. Next Monday we're having a special board meeting at the Corporate Center in San Rafael in the TAM room, which is in the main building there. where we'll be taking up a comment letter. and trying to incorporate as many comments as we can. A close of the comment period is May 16th, unless MTC agrees to extend it. MTC and ABAG. Thank you. There's a planned Bay Area debate that Susan Adams is sponsoring on May 30th. We think this is probably going to be either in the Board of Supervisors or Veterans Memorial Hall. And then in May and June, MTC and ABAC are going to review the comments they received from all over the Bay Area. And in July, they hope to adopt a final plan and a final EIR. So that's just a brief summary of what's going on and some of the issues that we're hearing. And I'd be glad to answer questions and take some of your comments back to Tam. |
| 01:27:58.73 | Ray Withy | Okay, we're gonna do the same round one question and we'll go around. Go ahead. |
| 01:28:04.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So thank you for the presentation. And my question is your alternatives document, where you have... Alternative one, the no project option where we use existing general plans, and it says it's not consistent with SB 375. But it's my understanding that if we included amendments with methods to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as an expansion of some of, like, the climate initiatives, telecommitting and such not, that it would comply, it could comply with SB 375. So that alternative one, the no project alternative would be an option for compliance. |
| 01:29:08.93 | Diane Steinhauser | Thank you. We've heard that claim as well. This 6.6% reduction is, in some professional opinions, already pretty aggressive. Now what you're actually saying is by growing this list or adding to it, you can achieve the full 15%. I think there's some practical risk there in that a lot of the region's funding is going to maintaining transit and maintaining roads. do you want to redirect a substantial portion of that to grow this list. We don't know. I mean, that's one of the risks that could happen in trying to grow this list a little further. We believe that especially in Marin, with just about all of our jurisdictions ready and able to accept this housing unit allocation, most of the housing elements are approved or on their way to being approved. We have the county, Novato Mill Valley, who are all the last coming in with housing elements to be approved this fall of 2013. We're not hearing it from most councils that meeting these housing expectations are going to be difficult. that the housing elements are on their way and are being done. That 9% which comes out of the housing strategy. is achievable for Marin. I think, in my opinion, the risk of growing this list to take up the 9% is high. To get from that 6.6 to 15, you would have to redirect a lot of money. And these are not proven strategies. A lot of these are tests. So we're not sure that the TAM board would accept advocating for the no-build at this point in time. We're not hearing that. I've heard and what staff has advocated initially to the TAM board is Let's make sure that MTC and ABAC understand our concerns. We're not going to advocate for one alternative or another. We're going to point out some of the concerns we have with the alternatives, but we're not choosing an alternative in our comment letter. And we've heard that from several councils as well, that they want to comment on the alternatives and some issues with them, but we're not advocating for one over another. Again, I think it'd be difficult for us to advocate for the no bill, Thank you. |
| 01:32:05.63 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:32:05.73 | Diane Steinhauser | Whoops, I have a follow-up for that. |
| 01:32:05.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have a follow-up for that. One question at a time. Yes, I just noticed my microphone was off, so I just wanted to make sure people watching this heard my question, which was that the alternative number one, which is no project using existing general plans, that The document we received said it was not consistent with SB 375, but my question is, it's my understanding that It actually would be consistent with SB 375 if we generated amendments with methodologies for reducing greenhouse gases. |
| 01:32:41.59 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:32:41.98 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:32:43.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:44.01 | Ray Withy | Ray, you have a question? |
| 01:32:46.87 | Ray Withy | Thank you for the presentation. |
| 01:32:47.14 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:32:48.24 | Unknown | you |
| 01:32:52.46 | Ray Withy | The one number, the sort of stood out for me focusing just on Sausalito was that there was a projection of 23% job growth, employment growth for Sausalito. In fact, it was the highest of any of the cities in Marin. And that just struck me as quite surprising actually. So is there an explanation? |
| 01:33:22.40 | Diane Steinhauser | Um... I, for one, don't have an explanation on that. I don't know if you've looked into that, Jeremy. |
| 01:33:38.44 | Ray Withy | So that would be one area where we'd like to, and we'll direct the staff to comment back to you on that, is that given our zoning, that's a very incredibly optimistic, job growth number given the height and use restrictions that we have here. So I mean, in a lot of ways, perhaps it would be great to incorporate more employment, but 23% off of a small base is a big number. |
| 01:34:10.94 | Diane Steinhauser | And that fits nicely in with a couple of other jurisdictions and comments we've heard. Thank you. I mean, |
| 01:34:16.40 | Ray Withy | I mean, we'd love to see our local economy grow in ways that fit the character of Sausalito, but I'm not sure how that would actually ever be accomplished. That's a meaningful amount of jobs, and it would certainly have other impacts on Sausalito traffic and whatnot, given our single access largely from the highway. So that'd be one thing. My question was on the express lane. Is Tam taking a sort of point of view on the express lane versus HOV and pay? You probably know this from going to meetings, |
| 01:34:18.62 | Diane Steinhauser | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:34:38.40 | Unknown | is Tamsin. |
| 01:34:50.94 | Diane Steinhauser | We actually did an express lane evaluation for Highway 101 in Marin County, which we completed back in 2011. We are not currently part of the express lane network bay area wide primarily due to that evaluation. |
| 01:35:04.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:08.25 | Diane Steinhauser | One thing to recognize in the Express Lane Network Bay Area Wide is it is both a mechanism to manage congestion and demand and a way to raise revenue. So you have to balance the two. It generally works in most applications, including RIN, if you change your carpools to a minimum of three passengers. That has an impact on the surrounding congestion, the length of the peak period, etc. My board said, we're not doing this right now. Let's see what the rest of the Bay Area does. And so we're watching applications elsewhere. Yeah. |
| 01:35:46.49 | Ray Withy | on. |
| 01:35:48.15 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you for coming tonight and your presentation. And my question is on the potential PDAs, Marin City was on that list, which is our next door neighbor, freeway exit, and what is the process, their potential, and it's a voluntary process, but, Who gets to make that decision and what is the public input? How far does it extend in terms of input from neighbors, for example? |
| 01:36:13.85 | Diane Steinhauser | When the county adopted their countywide plan in 2007, they actually estimated that growth areas were possible within a half mile of the highway a half mile swath up and down Highway 101. That's where they projected growth areas. They put this together, which has, including Marin City, some potential areas. I'm not aware of the county doing any specific planning in this regard right now. I think we could get them back to give you a more detailed update, but not the only one of these which is progressing at all is the site in Marinwood. And everything else is kind of in a let's look at it, but no definitive action pattern right now. |
| 01:37:04.61 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 01:37:05.10 | Diane Steinhauser | Thank you. |
| 01:37:05.26 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Linda, you have a question? |
| 01:37:07.93 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. So, uh, Regarding the potential PDA, and I see Marin City is right next door to Sausalito, so obviously high growth urbanizing Marin City would have a big impact on us. Tam Junction, Almonte, and Strawberry, those are all unincorporated Marin. Thank you. What is the total number? I know the units, the housing unit projections for Plan Bay Area are not divvied up into region. I mean, it's kind of one lump number for unincorporated Marin. And I know prior to March, that number was roughly 2,738 units. Is it like 100 units now? I mean, what are the units? No, that's for Sausalito. I'm asking about Oh, okay, unincorporated. So it's 184. So this is the RHNA. Is this the same as the Plan Bay Area projections? Let me say that again. |
| 01:38:16.61 | Diane Steinhauser | Let me say that again. The 28-year projection in Planned Bay Area is, for the region as a whole, there is a number from Marine County, 2,292. units in the next cycle, more in future cycles. There's no obligation for any, and it's spelled out very clearly in Plan Bay Area and the EIR, for any local jurisdiction to meet the 28-year number at this time. You are required to meet the RHNA cycle number. The county dropped from 773 units to 184. Their draft plan shows no growth. in Tam Junction, Ormaren City. |
| 01:38:55.81 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So the number that I have... |
| 01:38:56.71 | Diane Steinhauser | So it's conjectural, those two areas. |
| 01:38:59.32 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So we're kind of, we got the RENA and then we got the Plan Bay area. And the Plan Bay area goes, the number I had went from 2010 to 2035. Your slide went to 2022. And that's where the 2738 number came from. |
| 01:39:02.38 | Diane Steinhauser | And we've gotten |
| 01:39:18.46 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. So this is just by Marin as a whole 7,500. |
| 01:39:22.15 | Diane Steinhauser | As a whole 7,500. This is over the 28-year period or 30-year period from 2010 to 2040. So that's household growth expected. housing units and then households expected in Marin. But this is a plan number over a 30-year period. What all of the jurisdictions are required to focus on is the regional housing needs assessed allocation number. There's no expectation that you meet this number. We are welcome to comment on this. And one of the comments, as I pointed out, These are for some jurisdictions over 30 years, this is going to be difficult. in terms of the outlay in each jurisdiction, along with comments on jobs. And we are planning on making that comment to ABAC and MTC. But that's going to be difficult for Marin in many of our areas. |
| 01:40:19.63 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:40:23.24 | Ray Withy | I think May or June last year, ABAG put its first draft re-allocation out for the 2014-2022 cycle. The number for Sausalito then was actually 82, I think. In this table, it's dropped to 79. When will... ABAG finalize the RENA allocation for the 2014-2022 cycle. |
| 01:40:56.86 | Diane Steinhauser | That will be adopted by ABAG in July. We think their meeting is the third week of July, the ABAG board. |
| 01:41:05.24 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:41:05.28 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:41:05.68 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:41:09.14 | Ray Withy | Just to go back to the jobs number because that does affect the transportation numbers significantly versus the arena numbers. It is highly surprising. Some of the allocation amongst these communities is for the jobs numbers is somewhat surprising that Cora Madera has a 4% job growth versus the Marin total of 17% and Sausalito has a 23% growth which seems somewhat counterintuitive to where jobs are being created and where development is taking place. Certainly that would incorporate both retail and office. You know this better than me. It's surprising that Sausalito would be above the county average, the county total 17 percent growth, but it is really surprising that some of these communities, particularly Corta Madera, are that far below. It should reflect reality in some ways in terms of where economic activity takes place. And we'll certainly provide our comments through that you can pass on. |
| 01:42:12.20 | Diane Steinhauser | We actually made that comment back in May and June of 2012 that it struck us as a little more random than we would like. A lot of attention was paid to the households, and those seem to be more in line with available parcels, at least for this first RHNA cycle, with what people can actually do. And so, as I mentioned, there seems to be satisfaction. Jobs, on the other hand, is we're getting this comment from a lot of people. What is this and how did you get there? |
| 01:42:25.96 | Unknown | HIT. |
| 01:42:33.13 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:42:33.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:43.03 | Diane Steinhauser | Sounds like that's some work that we need to do, and we can definitely make that comment back to them. |
| 01:42:47.37 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Great, thank you. |
| 01:42:51.27 | Thomas Theodores | I noticed that, of course, the genesis of this is reducing emissions and getting cars off the road. But I noticed there was no, it didn't seem to have a traffic component or talk about traffic at all. And sometimes I think is when you go north on 101 at 4 o'clock. There's a lot of admissions no one's going anywhere and So I just want to and also it would show one of the benefits of these plans would be when you take cars off the road, it's going to make life better in terms of traffic. So I was just wondering why that wasn't a component. |
| 01:43:21.48 | Diane Steinhauser | God. That's a very good question. I mean, we spent years trying to reduce congestion and the high emissions that come from being caught in traffic and doing stop and go higher reactive organic gases, higher VOC, higher CO, all of a sudden, bing! That's not the emphasis anymore. The emphasis is total travel and changing the trip, not whether you're in congestion or not. I think congestion is an economic vitality issue and a freight delivery, a real-time goods issue. And they're coming at it from that direction. But this plan, another comment we're planning on making, is pretty light on economic vitality and freight. I mean, our 101 corridor being a lifeline, it can be as high as 10% truck traffic. based on deliveries and the growing economy that's coming through, people coming through Marin to get to Sonoma. There's a lot of economic growth. We see a lot of reverse commute activity now. going north into Roanoke Park and Windsor and areas of Santa Rosa in the morning. So we want to bring that to their attention. There is not necessarily a strong emphasis on congestion other than the express lane network. The express lane network is supposed to be, as I mentioned, a management tool for relieving congestion in all lanes. and a mechanism for generating revenue to pay for multimodal options such as transit that gets people out of their cars. So they seem to, the focus really on the express lane network is their answer to congestion. We're trying to focus on the same things here in Marin in terms of telecommuting, safe routes to school, vanpool and carpool development, emergency ride home, those are all programs we've brought about to try and address the same issue of people choosing not to drive alone. Yeah. |
| 01:45:15.87 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:45:16.61 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, so I understand with your introduction, Planned Bay Area is positioned as a means of reducing greenhouse gases. and yet when you look at the CEQA conclusions, They include significant irreversible environmental changes, including emission of greenhouse gases that will contribute to global climate change, consumption of significant amounts of non-renewable energy, Under significant unavoidable impacts, we have increase per capita of vehicle miles traveled, converts substantial amounts of open space, substantial adverse impacts on critical habitat for federally listed plant and wildlife, interfere substantially with migratory wildlife corridor and fish or wildlife species, Results in insufficient water supplies, result in inadequate water waste treatment capacity. And I could go on, but I mean as you know, it's an extensive list and these were the conclusions of Plan Bay Area's own Environmental Impact Report. So it seems to me when I hear that Plan Bay Area is going to reduce greenhouse gases and then I see the results of the EIR, I see a big disconnect, and in fact I see an increase in greenhouse gases with the high density urbanization of Marin City, Strawberry, Tamal Monte, Novato, and San Rafael as the priority development areas. So can you comment on that? Uh, |
| 01:47:14.03 | Diane Steinhauser | I didn't write the EIR. Yes, there are, I think, 22 significant impacts that are named. The greenhouse gas emission reduction requirement in law is per capita. So what this plan does is it recognizes that we're going to grow by 2 million. in population, which increases VMT and increases greenhouse gas emissions. But it also develops a strategy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions per person. So that really is what they are required to do by law, and that's what they're relying on. Now, um, I don't know if there was any particular comment you would like to pass on. One of them might be, and you have a few of them recommended in your staff report, to pay attention to some of the biological resources in Marin and the rest of the North Bay counties. One of them might be a recognition that these significant impacts should be further mitigated in the next plan. So let's do some focusing on that. Maybe there are some of these, more than what your staff have pointed out, and they pointed out some good ones, that you want to bring some focus to. Be glad to hear your suggestions in terms of comments. |
| 01:48:28.08 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:48:29.11 | Diane Steinhauser | So I have followed. |
| 01:48:29.97 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | but I need to yield to the next question. |
| 01:48:32.26 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:48:35.84 | Ray Withy | Huh? |
| 01:48:36.19 | Unknown | with Grant. |
| 01:48:37.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:48:37.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:37.09 | Ray Withy | Thank you. It's getting late. Go ahead. |
| 01:48:41.44 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, so it's my understanding, and I read the EIR 1300 pages, and... |
| 01:48:48.97 | Unknown | I saw that. Thank you. |
| 01:48:49.37 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. one of my requests actually would be to include in the letter that we allow the public more time because people certainly in Sausalito are just learning about Plan Bay Area. and at least three to six months, preferably six months to really understand the tremendous urbanization that would happen in Marin, specifically in Sausalito's at the impact. But the other question I have is one part of Plan Bay Area involves streamlining CEQA. And you mentioned this in your letter. And one of the questions that is... I think a question mark right now is the extent of local control accorded to cities with respect to the decision on you know, not streamlining CEQA around transit priority projects, the TPPs. So can you comment on that? |
| 01:49:56.70 | Diane Steinhauser | We plan to reemphasize what we understand to be the policy currently included. which is the streamlining is not a mandate for transit priority project areas or PDAs, neither of which you have. We heard from San Rafael last night, who has the two most prominent ones, that they, in their comment letter, and they asked us to include this as well in our comment letter, don't plan to exercise the streamlining option, and they believe each project needs to be treated independently in accordance with local standards related to appropriate analysis and mitigation. So we're going to be making that same |
| 01:50:33.44 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 01:50:35.48 | Diane Steinhauser | comment. It's a little more than what this says here, but It captures that point of not being mandatory. |
| 01:50:39.35 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah. So I'm not being... And I'm familiar with what San Rafael responded to. The reason I raised it is I heard that it was one legal opinion that even if city councils did not want to streamline CEQA that the law superseded that local control. And so that's just, I just wanted to share that with you because it's of concern to me, and I want clarity on that. |
| 01:51:08.37 | Diane Steinhauser | In our review, we don't believe either this plan or the EIR Thank you. supersedes or amends CEQA law. And being that you self-certify CEQA as a local jurisdiction, we do not believe there's any obligation for you to change that. Now, that being said, there is some CEQA streamlining efforts that are working their way through the legislature. And you should be aware of those and understand the expectations and the changes to law that they may bring about. But this plan doesn't do that. That's what we understand. But we are going to be making that comment, nonetheless. So we understand, appreciate. |
| 01:51:49.43 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. And I have another comment if no one else does. |
| 01:51:51.91 | Ray Withy | No, this question period, not comment. |
| 01:51:55.12 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Oh, I have a question. |
| 01:51:56.40 | Ray Withy | Let me go down there. You have your question. No? No. OK. |
| 01:52:01.82 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So can we include the need for a water assessment analysis, a water assessment plan? Because clearly water is, you know, very scarce and this type of urbanization and this high density seems really critical to me. Is there a reason why that hasn't been requested? |
| 01:52:26.47 | Diane Steinhauser | Our next version of the letter is going to actually bring up that point. One of the things about local job and household growth is that they had not done sufficient assessment regarding water usage, regarding safety impacts, regarding school cost impacts, and we believe that analysis and Further identification of funding should be included in any future plans, or this one. So we got that comment along with please fire sewer. schools from several other councils. So we will be including that as a request. |
| 01:53:03.70 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And the other question I have is, I have... |
| 01:53:04.62 | Diane Steinhauser | It's... |
| 01:53:13.52 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | some folks have wondered regarding the data the data used to calculate the projected greenhouse gas emissions that perhaps in assessing the current trends that they did not factor in some of the recent, you know, the hybrid electric cars and some of the other, improvements that have been made And that in fact given the impact of the CEQA required conclusions that I just read, that the alternative one no project would be more gentle on the environment with a more, with a better outcome. So I was wondering if we could ask the question to get more data around how they conducted that GHG emission analysis. |
| 01:54:12.44 | Diane Steinhauser | We'll make note of that. |
| 01:54:14.74 | Adam Politzer | Okay. Mr. Mayor, if I may. Looking at the hour and knowing that we have two other items on the agenda, can I recommend that you take public comment |
| 01:54:16.93 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:54:24.39 | Adam Politzer | one of the items. One of the purposes of tonight's item was to make sure that the public had the opportunity share their comments if in fact there are public here to provide that feedback so that Diane can also hear comments from the South Florida public. And if there are additional questions, that's, Council members would like to make potentially do those offline with Diane. or through TAM or directly to the source. |
| 01:54:50.01 | Ray Withy | MR. I'm sorry. |
| 01:54:50.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:54:51.88 | Adam Politzer | in an effort to move tonight's meeting forward. |
| 01:54:55.34 | Ray Withy | Okay, thank you. All right, at this time here, any comments from the public? Or any questions also, I should say. |
| 01:55:05.77 | Peter Van Meter | Peter Van Meter, pardon me, Cloud View Circle. Today I had not one but two root canals. So I came to the council meeting hoping for a perfect trifecta. I think I'm going to get it. It's really hard to know where to start. You could have hours of debate on regional versus bottom-up local planning, and so there's just myriad of issues here. But one I want to focus on is these projected population growth. I hear the words and this is the expectation of growth in Marin County. But of course, if you look at the decade from 2000 to 2010, the county grew 1.7%. So on its own, there won't be any growth. So then the question is, how does ABAG force the people to come to Marin to create their projected growth numbers? To me, that would be a question. Because on its own, the county will not have any growth. You know, that's just the policies here. Now coming to very specifics. Buried somewhere in here, I heard in some press reports, is a concept of taxing vehicles miles traveled by putting GPS devices in every vehicle and having Big Brother, in effect, watch your every movement. I hope the council would find this little item buried in the EIR as an alternative, vociferously and unanimously kill that concept in birthing. The whole idea of having any government entity monitoring your every movement It's just. Beyond the pale, thank you. |
| 01:56:42.45 | Peter Van Meter | I'm not. |
| 01:56:42.53 | Alex Kushef | Thank you. |
| 01:56:42.55 | Peter Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 01:56:42.56 | Alex Kushef | Okay. |
| 01:56:44.51 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And yes, that is in there, Peter. It's very scary. |
| 01:56:48.47 | Adam Krivacsi | I have a question. Good evening, Adam Krivacsi for the Olima Street. We are talking about a major projection for the future. allocation of legislative and planning tools and jobs and population and so on. These are assumptions, I assume. But, There will be lots of public commentary and there is only about a month or month and a half time to accommodate this commentary. My question is, are these public comments only going to be listed in the attachment or in the appendix to this document. or will anybody care? as to what we are going to comment. This... is a valid question, I think, because to accommodate the public commentary would take half a year. |
| 01:58:04.76 | Pat Zook | Pat Zook, and I have not read the 1,600 pages, but I will comment nonetheless. First of all, I urge you to not take the tone that staff has taken by saying that this is not very important to Sausalito and will not have a big impact on us because we're only 3% of the county and so forth. I'm looking at you and I see several, if not all of you, who know about advanced planning and setting the documentation up to accommodate uh, your planning efforts, and this is that. And we, I think, need as a community to make our sentiments and our concerns known if we have them. We also, I hope, and I also want to really urge you to stand up in support of our surrounding community's concerns. I don't see anybody coming to our aid and our support if we sit here and say, well, it doesn't matter to Sausalito. That's just a shameful, I think, tactic to take. Third, The comment was made, and I really appreciated hearing, you know, you, Jonathan, and Ray comment on the jobs increase number, the 23% versus the 17% for the county, and the overall impact on us. I hope you agree to respond with TAM, and I hope you also agree to magnify your response to those issues which are of particular concern to Sausalito. For example, not only is that jobs number interestingly large as a percentage. It would have been useful if staff had given you some idea of what that would mean. The post office lady? She sat here and she said, you know how many square feet that is, that the post office has? She said it was four, I think she said Disneyland. She didn't say Disney World. Okay. So people don't work in the ether? What would it mean to us to add 1,600 bodies working in Sausalito? What kind of structure would we have to build? Furthermore, how would that jive? with the issues that we see with the sea level rise and how our marineship is going to be impacted by that. So I hope you can magnify TAM's comments, agree with them, and make them applicable to us. And please do not go quietly without comment. Thanks. |
| 02:00:41.60 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 02:00:47.52 | Nancy Osborne | Nancy Osborne from Kendall Court. I basically want to support what Pat has said uh, I get most of my information on this from reading various columnists in the independent journal. And I have just experienced what can happen. in the Planning Commission when total local control is taken away by the federal government in that case. And I just feel that whatever you do, keep whatever control, local control. Just the fact that it's 3% When you get that 3% and people come in here and they're part of the 3%, that have been impacted you'll see it's not just 3%. It's people. And the way we're used to living and what we hope we can continue to have in this community. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:01:43.13 | Stefan | Thank you. |
| 02:01:44.68 | Ray Withy | Okay, any others? Vicki. |
| 02:01:52.91 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, I wanted to basically, I appreciate Diane coming because I think that she gave us some information that's been very complicated and throughout the county has struck fear into the hearts of many. And also, there's been some information that's been attached to this that doesn't appear to be true, and I think that always makes something this complicated worse to contemplate. But I would urge you also to... Specifically, having just addressed you a week or so ago on the community marine profile targets, I would really appreciate your emphasizing the need for stronger sea level rise considerations in this planning. In terms of the CEQA streamlining, I have also the San Rafael City Council report from last night. We have no PDAs. That's where this streamlining can be used. So I agree with Pat that we don't want to leave a neighbor in the lurch, but in terms of direct impacts on Sausalito, we're not going to be subject to those considerations unless we have some very specific criteria that's at least spelled out in San Rafael, which is a major transportation hub, and we don't have that. And I would love for Diane to stand up and tell us, for once and all in Sausalito, we have no major transportation areas that are hubs of transportation, because this gets pulled up all the time and scares people to death about SB 375. It is not applicable to Sausalito. So I also agree with the Pat's comments about water, and again, under your community, Marin, you know, I'm not sure if you're going to be a little bit proposals or policies, there was a statement in there about planning to take into account all of our natural resources. So water, of course, is a critical one, however you plan for that, and our biological resources as well. So it sounds like those are going to be considered. I'd love them reiterated in a letter from Sausalito. I think that's pretty it. And I do think that throughout the... I have not read all of it, I've read parts of it, but it is summarized in several locations about local control, and it's also summarized that the local jurisdictions are not required to meet these these projections, as Diana stated. So these are not targets the cities have to meet. It's the larger transportation agencies that are having to meet these for the laws. So I think we need to keep that in consideration and try to keep the facts up front when we talk about this project. Thank you. |
| 02:04:37.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Vicki. Any others? OK, let's bring it back up here for comment. Thank you. Tom, you went to that ad hoc meeting from TAM. You want to maybe give us an input a little of what the other cities |
| 02:04:52.01 | Adam Krivacsi | Thank you. |
| 02:04:57.10 | Ray Withy | how they felt about it, |
| 02:04:58.61 | Thomas Theodores | Well, actually, I think Diane did an excellent job of giving the summary because at that meeting, They discussed all these issues and put it together in the summary letters that are attached to our Jeremy attached to the action item. So I think we, and she went through each one of them. And I certainly, I think I agree that we should support the requested changes in a letter, and of course we also have, should do our own letter, and we have a few extra items on top of it. |
| 02:05:27.66 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:05:27.68 | Ray Withy | I can't. |
| 02:05:28.05 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:05:29.06 | Ray Withy | Okay, comment? |
| 02:05:31.46 | Thomas Theodores | to |
| 02:05:31.95 | Ray Withy | I just would like to summarize what I think sounds like some consensus here, and whether it's in your letter, Diane, or whether it's Jeremy, who sends a letter to both paths, on the CEQA streamlining, I think you can't foresee all the implications that that's going to take, and I think that's just another part of this backdoor CEQA weakening strategy that's going on in California at the moment. But regardless of that, the implications regarding the PDA, whether you're a sphere of influence community, which for Renn City would be a sphere of influence if that is ever planned as a PDA, or even if you're trying to do a PDA in Sausalito for other reasons, it shouldn't trigger this type of, you know, so I think we can't foresee all those consequences. The job numbers, it's really in pet, you hit this on the nail on the head, is the amount of growth they're assuming for... for a Marin County is as much as occurred in the type of growth that occurred in the 80s, which I don't foresee any economic activity like that ever occurring again in Marin due to the nature that was largely driven by development, and you're getting at a much more built-out factor. So if you look at what happened in your graph, your letter has that great chart. What happened between 94 and 90 and 2010 is basically flat. So how can you assume that just basically the 80s are going to repeat themselves in the next 40, 30 years? I'd like to see what the assumptions behind that are. They're not really realistic, get alone our allocation of that. Comet period I think was a good point. A couple people made that. It would be great to have a longer comet period. Sea level rise, and I think Linda has a good point with the water requirements. We've tried to think about that from our own zoning perspective, that you're allocating – you have a scarce resource that we can't regulate at the local level, that a planning document at the regional level has to regulate that. I'm not sure if it really – this plan calls for any urbanization in Sausalito given the number of units, but the jobs is a very – you're right, what structures could house 1,600 people eight hours a day in addition to what's here already is a meaningful amount of new construction. |
| 02:07:50.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:07:51.54 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 02:07:51.88 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I really have nothing to add to that except It looks like, for me, the most important thing is the length of the comment period. I think it's... it's almost like you've taken the, or the, not you, the, lowest, the smallest amount of comment period that could possibly be allowed was used, and for something of this magnitude, it's really quite outrageous. |
| 02:08:28.18 | Ray Withy | Yes, I also agree with that. |
| 02:08:32.18 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I would concur. I mean, the 23% job growth, I mean, the numbers are just absurd for Sausalito, and I think that was a very good point, and it was going to be my follow-up question, but it was asked in three different ways, so it was perfect. I agree. I would also say that, agree that, I mean, the six month extension needs to happen for this EIR. It's just not enough time for the public to really understand what's going on here. I think we have to, I would agree with Pat Zick's comment, we have an opportunity, a unique opportunity in Sausalito to take a principled stand in supporting the, the outcry in some of these areas with regards to putting urbanization, these priority development areas in Tamo Monte, Marin City, and Strawberry. That would have an impact on Sausalito, but also it would destroy open space. In Marin City, it butts up against the Golden Gate National Recreation Area. The CEQA conclusions of the irreversible environmental changes includes, you know, removing forest habitat, forest land, conversion of forest land. Um, And then Tamal Monte with the sea levels issues there and the endangered species as well and strawberry. I'd like to see us, you know, take a stand with respect to our concerns for urbanizing those areas, those priority development areas. I would also like to ask that the greenhouse gas emission conclusions that are mentioned in the draft EIR be clarified. What method was used? What analyses? What data was pulled from in what time frame? What were the factors they considered when determining these greenhouse gas emission projections and the reductions? And also regarding alternative one. It's an alternative. It's the no project alternative, keeping the existing general plans. The fact that we can include amendments with creative methods to reduce greenhouse gases without the significant irreversible environmental changes and significant unavoidable impacts that are mentioned in the EIR of Plan Bay Area, we could avoid all of this. So I would like to get the facts out there and straight on that. So those are, I think, the points that I would like to make here because I think that Marin would be, I think it would be so sad to urbanize those areas and the impact on the open space and the environment. I think it would increase greenhouse gases, not decrease them. |
| 02:11:46.63 | Ray Withy | Okay, any other comments? Okay, then let's thank you Diane very, very much. Thank you. We couldn't have done it without you tonight, that's for sure. |
| 02:11:53.14 | Unknown | Thank you, Diane, very, very much. |
| 02:11:55.16 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:11:55.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:55.22 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:12:01.17 | Ray Withy | Okay, let's have a recommendation of the choices we have. Thank you. |
| 02:12:07.59 | Ray Withy | Oh, yeah. |
| 02:12:08.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:14.00 | Ray Withy | So Arch, go ahead, you can summarize the choices. I just didn't have it printed out. |
| 02:12:16.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:16.82 | Unknown | So |
| 02:12:16.98 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:12:19.11 | Unknown | It's okay. |
| 02:12:23.24 | Ray Withy | So Jeremy, do you have a preference? Thanks, Diane. Thank you, Diane. of whether you want us to direct all our comments directly to Tam, or do you want us to go through you, or what do you want us to do? You have our comments. Do you want to draft a letter to Tam, or do you want to draft a letter both to ABAG and... That's really a council option of how you'd like us to handle it. I know. Do you personally have a preference? It doesn't matter to you. |
| 02:12:44.46 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 02:12:49.87 | Ray Withy | Okay, so my suggestion would be we draft a letter both to Tam and to ABAG with these additional comments we've raised tonight. Is that... Yeah, I... Sorry, I didn't mean to jump in front. |
| 02:12:51.61 | Unknown | Let it run. |
| 02:12:57.72 | Adam Krivacsi | Thank you. |
| 02:12:57.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:57.99 | Adam Krivacsi | I don't know. |
| 02:12:58.46 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:12:58.60 | Adam Krivacsi | Thank you. you |
| 02:12:59.04 | Ray Withy | No, that's right. |
| 02:13:01.21 | Adam Krivacsi | Thank you. |
| 02:13:02.28 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:13:02.29 | Ray Withy | I would include in that to support the comment letters that they have written. |
| 02:13:02.31 | Ray Withy | What? Right. |
| 02:13:06.24 | Unknown | that they have. |
| 02:13:07.85 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:13:08.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:13:10.02 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:13:10.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:13:10.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:13:10.78 | Ray Withy | All right, so you have direction? We have this. |
| 02:13:14.60 | Thomas Theodores | Well, I think we should have a discussion and maybe agreement on what should be included. Because I think there's a number of |
| 02:13:16.93 | Unknown | Raymond. |
| 02:13:22.44 | Thomas Theodores | propositions that I would support, some of which I wouldn't, I think. |
| 02:13:28.21 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So I heard a consensus around the water assessment plan. |
| 02:13:35.76 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | the need for a water assessment plan. |
| 02:13:36.13 | Ray Withy | for a water assessment plan....was kind of general municipal services, if I'm not mistaken. Diane phrased it, which included a bunch of other things like fire, water, sewer. Sure. |
| 02:13:42.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:13:47.16 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Sure, that would be good too. It's mentioned in their sequel. I'm saying |
| 02:13:49.43 | Ray Withy | It's mint. I didn't say including water anymore. Right, right. So the list that I just tried to summarize was that the CEQA stream lighting, the jobs numbers, comment period, sea level rise, and water and other municipal services. That's kind of general. It sounds like everybody... |
| 02:14:07.55 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Did you mention the extension, the six month extension for the DEE? Comment period. |
| 02:14:10.74 | Ray Withy | D or D or? Okay. |
| 02:14:12.43 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Extended by how much? |
| 02:14:13.44 | Ray Withy | How much? I don't know what the maximum and the minimum are. I don't know. I don't know if we suggest. What is the normal? Is there a maximum comment period for this? Or what's the normal amount for extension? Or should we just leave that? Is that we need more, the public deserves more time to comment on what would be your |
| 02:14:32.59 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:14:33.34 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:14:33.35 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:14:33.37 | Ray Withy | I thought you were |
| 02:14:34.03 | Jeremy Graves | asking when Tam will be, taking up their own comment letter on the 13th. So we need to get this in by then, but in terms of an extension, the original |
| 02:14:40.32 | Unknown | So we need to go. |
| 02:14:47.24 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. The minimum comment period for a draft environmental impact report is 45 days. Right. So keeping that in context, I think a 30 to 45-day extension on that would be reasonable. A six-month comment period, I don't think will gain any traction at all unless they decide to reissue the document. |
| 02:14:59.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:14:59.03 | Adam Krivacsi | Thank you. |
| 02:15:07.79 | Jeremy Graves | All right. Thank you. |
| 02:15:09.02 | Thomas Theodores | I have both a question and a comment. I think we should go for as much as we can. It's a significant undertaking by all of us and they did take the legally minimum amount of time on the IR. So I wouldn't be hesitant to ask for more. And the other thing, I do have a question. we have a comment period on the EIR, but do we have a comment period on the proposal itself? Tam, for example, had... |
| 02:15:32.97 | Jeremy Graves | for example, had the same time. |
| 02:15:34.78 | Thomas Theodores | So we should ask for both though because they have separate letters. So we should ask for an extension of time to comment on the entire |
| 02:15:35.11 | Jeremy Graves | same time you |
| 02:15:42.56 | Thomas Theodores | proposal and on the EIR, which are separate issues. Amen. |
| 02:15:47.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And can we get consensus on the amount of time if there's a consensus that six months that I proposed is too long, what about three months? |
| 02:15:59.21 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:15:59.24 | Jeremy Graves | say in what, 45 days? Well, I'm just keeping this in perspective. I'm trying to look at it from the perspective of the Metropolitan Transportation Commission and the Association of Bay Area Governments. Can I suggest? |
| 02:16:13.13 | Adam Politzer | Can I suggest a minimum of 45 days, but whatever the maximum is legally possible? |
| 02:16:20.57 | Ray Withy | Okay, that's fine. Thank you. |
| 02:16:23.58 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So 90 days. |
| 02:16:27.65 | Ray Withy | Whatever the maximum is. |
| 02:16:29.76 | Ray Withy | 45 at a minimum to replicate the current time period and the maximum allowable given the scope of the plan. |
| 02:16:37.70 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | both the plan and the EIR. |
| 02:16:38.02 | Unknown | Thank you. THE END OF THE END OF THE Okay. |
| 02:16:42.12 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | What about my recommendation to remove Tamal Monte, Marin City, and Strawberry from PDA's |
| 02:16:50.17 | Ray Withy | They aren't PDAs. They were considered by the county as possible PDAs in the countywide plan. But I don't think, I think that's, maybe we should leave that up to, you should certainly contact, what's her name? Well, they're potential PDAs. She cares about that because that's her responsibility. but I think with the point you see the streamlining is to not just be local work projects inside of PDA, but their impact on other areas. |
| 02:17:00.77 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Thank you. Well, they're potential PDAs. |
| 02:17:22.56 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, they're asking us for feedback if we have feedback on Plan Bay area. And because urbanization, if Tamal Monte Marin City and Strawberry were to go from potential to planned PDAs, then we would be basically surrounded by this urbanization and growth. Thank you. |
| 02:17:43.84 | Linda | Yeah, that's sort of what I was just trying to guess. |
| 02:17:50.20 | Ray Withy | If they ever did become planned development areas that we don't want the – we can't control that. That's up to the county to elect themselves as planned development areas. But if they did, they would certainly impact us, and we wouldn't want this CEQA streamlining to be in effect because of something both from a sphere of influence standpoint as well as they're going to impact us from a traffic and other perspective just from shared resources. |
| 02:18:15.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, the reason they're a potential PDA is because they are floating it out there to get our feedback on whether we think they should be. Well, yes, that's the feedback I've received. Do we want to make them planned or they're potential PDAs? I mean, it seems to me that we should be providing feedback regarding our opinion of whether or not we want to see urbanization in Marin City. |
| 02:18:26.50 | Unknown | Yes, that's the feedback. So... |
| 02:18:44.37 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Tam Almonte. and strawberries. And to me, My comment would be, No. |
| 02:18:51.71 | Linda | Thank you. I can't speak for you. |
| 02:18:54.02 | Ray Withy | Council people, but the appropriate forum for that is not just TAM but is the county and that's where that election would have to take place. They're not floating them out there as new ideas. Okay. There's no consensus on this. |
| 02:19:06.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:06.86 | Ray Withy | The real- |
| 02:19:09.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | OK. |
| 02:19:10.24 | Ray Withy | There's no consensus on this. The reason why, from my understanding, those are potential PDAs is because the county of Marin put it into their plan quite a few years ago. |
| 02:19:24.21 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | No, they were not identified. When you say quite a few years ago, do you mean 2009? Because that was when SB 375 was enacted. Thank you. |
| 02:19:35.65 | Nancy Osborne | Yeah. |
| 02:19:35.85 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, so irrespective of whether it was from 2009 to now, now is the time that they're asking for our comment. And obviously there's no consensus here, so I will drop it. But I will say that the alternative number one, the no project alternative, is something that we should ask them to consider and at the least to clarify regarding if we added amendments and methodologies to reduce GHG if the no project number one alternative would apply. |
| 02:20:08.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:08.86 | Ray Withy | I think she commented on that and said that wouldn't work. |
| 02:20:12.32 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | She commented saying, gee, I'm not sure if we could expand on this list, but that was just top of mind. you know, we can submit a request for further analysis. |
| 02:20:27.03 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I would support that because I don't think there's any harm in asking them to explain. it would at a minimum resolve the debate if it's clear, and if not, if there is some issue and we might be able to pursue it, then we would know that. |
| 02:20:34.90 | Unknown | MEN. |
| 02:20:40.85 | Thomas Theodores | I don't see any harm in asking what their methodology and their data was on that. Thank you. you |
| 02:20:47.03 | Unknown | you Okay. |
| 02:20:48.91 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:20:49.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:49.82 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And my third comment was about the greenhouse gas emission conclusions that they made, both in terms of their projections and in terms of their reductions. I want more transparency on the methodologies they used, because when I look at this list of all of the irreversible environmental impacts, it's increasing greenhouse gases, and they even say that. So I'm confused. |
| 02:21:20.24 | Ray Withy | Thank you. How do we move this ahead then? Thank you. |
| 02:21:25.88 | Ray Withy | I can give you a consensus on the list we went through before. Yeah. Which is, and if you want to ask for data, that's fine. Why don't we take them one out of the day? |
| 02:21:26.91 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:21:35.04 | Thomas Theodores | Why don't we take them one at a time and just see if we want to add them on a consensus? |
| 02:21:38.57 | Ray Withy | Yeah, so the sequest streamlining, is that seen? I think we're all in consensus there. The job numbers and their allocation, it seems like the comment period, we discussed that one. We're good with that. Sea level rise and its impact, I think we're good with that. Water and other municipal resources being taken into account in terms of allocating growth or growth projections. Is that something that folks are right? And if we want to ask for data on greenhouse, I don't even remember what the |
| 02:21:41.66 | Thomas Theodores | Well, I think... |
| 02:21:42.09 | Ray Withy | I think we're all in consensus there. |
| 02:21:47.21 | Ray Withy | Seems like we just, you know. |
| 02:21:52.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:52.84 | Ray Withy | Exactly. |
| 02:21:53.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:53.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:22:03.42 | Linda | That's right. |
| 02:22:09.36 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | GHG emission projections and reduction conclusions. |
| 02:22:16.99 | Ray Withy | Well, that's a little broad. You gotta narrow it down so that they can know what they wanna... |
| 02:22:21.46 | Ray Withy | Let me remind you that... The point was made about the fact that that's on a per capita basis over the course of the there's going to be a significant population growth, so it's not at all inconsistent for me. |
| 02:22:38.93 | Ray Withy | I think the other thing to keep in mind here in the big picture is that, you know, we need to have a healthy relationship with TAM in order to be, since we haven't had one for a number of years and haven't gotten a lot of funding out of TAM, this is one of those things where we have to be, you know, work closely with them in a partnership. That doesn't mean you rubber stamp everything they do, but it also means we've got to make sure we know the purpose of making them do extra work. |
| 02:22:39.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:22:39.37 | Ray Withy | I think the other thing to keep in mind |
| 02:23:04.58 | Ray Withy | So maybe you can clarify what you're saying in terms of per capita, not as far as the making it sort of irrelevant. |
| 02:23:13.88 | Ray Withy | Well, the point that was made... As I understood it, I may have misunderstood this, but the point that was made is that, yes, there are going to be some negative impacts which will cause an increase in pockets of greenhouse gas emissions. But on an overall basis over the next 30 years, there is, I can't remember what the total population growth was estimated in several million, I can't remember what it was. Two million. Two million, right. And so if you look at it on an overall net basis and ask what is the greenhouse gas emissions, per person. there's going to be an effective reduction. |
| 02:24:05.97 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:24:06.90 | Ray Withy | I don't know if debating the science with them is going to get us very far, because they're not doing, TAM isn't doing the calculations, it's, you know, at the higher, at the A-bag level. We can certainly ask, hey, can you give us clarification how this was, or how these were arrived at? I don't have a problem with that. |
| 02:24:19.91 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, |
| 02:24:25.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So that's my request and if there's no consensus, I can just write a separate letter. |
| 02:24:29.80 | Ray Withy | No, we just wrote a letter. |
| 02:24:36.85 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | What you just said was basically what I was asking for. So the methodology and the analysis of the the greenhouse gas conclusions that they came up with and the fact that Well, anyway, I'll leave it at that. That's what I want to know. |
| 02:24:52.43 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:24:55.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:24:55.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:24:55.79 | Ray Withy | that |
| 02:24:55.84 | Ray Withy | Does |
| 02:24:56.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:24:57.03 | Ray Withy | Is Jeremy got... Jeremy, you get the drift of this, sir? |
| 02:24:59.45 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:25:00.88 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:25:00.93 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:25:01.03 | Ray Withy | So there, Jeremy, let me just recap. So in terms of writing a letter from Sausalito, you have some of the points already in your staff report. Yes. You have Sequa streamlining that we're not, we're... |
| 02:25:01.44 | Linda | THE FAMILY IS |
| 02:25:13.88 | Jeremy Graves | What I have is sequence streamlining jobs numbers, comment period, sea level rise, water, |
| 02:25:14.21 | Ray Withy | I have a... |
| 02:25:18.01 | Ray Withy | comment. Thank you. |
| 02:25:21.39 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:25:21.44 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:25:21.69 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 02:25:21.82 | Ray Withy | and then water and other municipal resources, including like sewer and And then the last one is more of just a point of clarification. Could they provide whether it's TAM or ABAG data. It's going to be ABAG. |
| 02:25:34.26 | Jeremy Graves | of data. Tam is just another commenter. Tam is not the author. So then why don't we just put that in our list? |
| 02:25:38.02 | Ray Withy | So then why don't we just put that in our letter to ABAC? Because you were sending the same letter, but just in the ABAC letter saying, hey, we request some backup information about how the – Linda can save me or how – what calculations you're looking at. |
| 02:25:51.56 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | the greenhouse gas conclusions that they came up with. And also I would add the federal, the endangered species that the impact on habitat for endangered, the federal endangered species that were raised. Thank you. |
| 02:26:07.77 | Ray Withy | going on. |
| 02:26:08.40 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | in their own CEQA conclusions. |
| 02:26:11.12 | Ray Withy | Is that not already in the EIR? I would imagine they have to comment on that. |
| 02:26:16.40 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Their conclusion was that it would impact federal endangered species. |
| 02:26:16.43 | Ray Withy | Thank you. THE CONCLUSION. |
| 02:26:20.72 | Ray Withy | And so what would you like them to mitigate that? |
| 02:26:22.07 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | to mitigate that? Yeah, I think they should mitigate that. |
| 02:26:26.32 | Ray Withy | That's fine. I'm just asking what you want. |
| 02:26:26.84 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'm just asking what you want. |
| 02:26:28.68 | Ray Withy | Okay, so I have no problem mitigating impact on or delimiting impact on endangered species. Is that, I mean, is that something that? |
| 02:26:40.06 | Thomas Theodores | And I think we did discuss, I would like to see |
| 02:26:40.16 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:26:44.14 | Thomas Theodores | the methodology they use to pick the alternatives. If they have that. I wouldn't want them to do other work, but they must have it. They had five alternatives, And there's a chart here, and they use some methodology, and it would be helpful in our analysis to know that. And the last thing is, I think that we agreed that we would also say that we support both of the TAM letters, all the items in the TAM letters, because they're detailed, both on the EIR and on the plan. Thank you. |
| 02:27:11.70 | Ray Withy | You can just ask for that, the clarification information. It doesn't have to be in the formal letter, but the other piece that Tom just mentioned should be. As far as asking how these were judged, you can just ask that and have her send maybe some backup to that outside of the letter. We can get that information. |
| 02:27:12.76 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:27:16.71 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 02:27:20.03 | Jeremy Graves | I'm sorry. |
| 02:27:26.34 | Jeremy Graves | of the Thank you. |
| 02:27:30.51 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, with space. With special clarification on alternative one, which they claimed was not in alignment with SB 375. when there is some debate as to whether or not that's true. |
| 02:27:44.86 | Ray Withy | as to whether or not that's true? Let's just find out what their judgment, what criteria they used, and then we can go from there if we get more from it, if that's okay. Chair, may you. |
| 02:27:49.58 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I can write a separate letter. |
| 02:27:55.40 | Jeremy Graves | I'm sorry, that last point. No, don't. I'm a little confused when you suggested that something could be approached outside of the letters and the other. |
| 02:27:56.72 | Ray Withy | No, don't. |
| 02:28:04.45 | Ray Withy | You know, this is too... The two letters you're giving formal comments, right? So we just wanted the TAM letter, this has really nothing to do to a large extent in their comment letter. This is, so we're asking just how did you come to these, what methodology did you use to come to these? |
| 02:28:21.42 | Jeremy Graves | My assumption is that is a chart that TAM put together based on the SQL analysis. Okay. So if they have some summary of that. |
| 02:28:28.01 | Ray Withy | Okay, so if they have some summary document that relates to that, they can just forward that to you and you can disseminate it to us and put it up on the website so the public has it too. That would be helpful. |
| 02:28:36.07 | Unknown | for the rest of the day. |
| 02:28:40.10 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right. The other point you raised was the, you had the summary document, you had one other one. I want to make sure he's on that. |
| 02:28:41.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:41.25 | Thomas Theodores | All right. |
| 02:28:41.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:47.89 | Thomas Theodores | Well, and then, My other point was that In our letter, we emphasize that we support both letters and all the points in the two letters that Tam sent as well. |
| 02:28:58.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:28:58.26 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:28:58.36 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right, Jeremy. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. At this time here, we're going to take up to a five-minute break. Okay. |
| 02:29:10.24 | Ray Withy | 9.40 at the latest. |
| 02:36:21.43 | Ray Withy | Can I let him down? |
| 02:36:21.62 | Unknown | Can I let... Linda. |
| 02:36:26.85 | Unknown | Where do you like to be? Michael. |
| 02:36:29.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:36:31.36 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:36:32.56 | Ray Withy | You're sitting on the floor. |
| 02:36:33.16 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:36:33.50 | Unknown | I'm going to take your name. You didn't tell me. You didn't tell me. I told you I'm crazy. All right. Can I have everybody take your time? |
| 02:36:37.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:36:37.09 | Ray Withy | Can I have everybody take their seats, please? |
| 02:36:46.31 | Ray Withy | I'm not a quarry, I told you. . |
| 02:36:49.33 | Ray Withy | . |
| 02:36:49.40 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:36:49.41 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:36:49.45 | Ray Withy | you |
| 02:36:49.50 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:36:49.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:36:51.64 | Ray Withy | Um, |
| 02:36:55.83 | Ray Withy | While we're waiting for Councilmember Withy, I'd like to find out how many people are here for the marine ship. Could I see a show of hands? And how many are here for the priority calendar? Mmm. |
| 02:37:15.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:37:17.32 | Ray Withy | Okay. 50-50. |
| 02:37:17.36 | Unknown | Okay. to. |
| 02:37:41.14 | Ray Withy | All right, okay. All right, the next item that we're going to have, we're going to stay the course and go on Marinship, Lily. |
| 02:37:55.60 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I can have one of these. |
| 02:37:57.47 | Unknown | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, council members, and members of the public. |
| 02:38:04.73 | Unknown | On March 5th of this year, staff gave a presentation entitled Murrenship 101 to the City Council regarding the MarinShip and the MarinShip-specific plan. After public comment, the council had a discussion and the council directed staff to conduct further analysis and plan a scope of work regarding the MSP, the Marinship Specific Plan, with two appointed city council members. Staff met with council members Withy and Theodorus on March 28th, April 22nd, and May 2nd. Staff and the council subcommittee conducted an analysis of the Marinship area in the context of the MSP and developed recommendations for the council's consideration. |
| 02:38:52.63 | Unknown | Tonight we'll provide an overview of the staff report, which is in your packet. beginning with a summary of the review of the subcommittee and staff, beginning with their view that the subcommittee and staff conducted of the MSP in the context of three themes, which were land use, infrastructure, and economics. Next, we'll provide a summary of the examples of healthy versus struggling areas that the subcommittee identified. in the Mirage Ship. Then we'll review the existing conditions which were identified in the Marineship in the context of those three themes. land use infrastructure and economics. And then we'll look at what some of the costs to the city and the community are by not acting to address some of those existing conditions. Finally, we'll go over the subcommittee's recommendation to the council as a whole. and invite the council to have a discussion on potential next steps. |
| 02:39:53.42 | Unknown | So in order to understand the intent of the Marinership-specific plan, the subcommittee and staff conducted a review of the plan through the lenses of land use economics and infrastructure. In terms of land use, a primary focus of the plan was to encourage marine related uses, industrial uses, and waterfront uses, and to discourage new development of commercial office. Key points of the plan include existing offices were grandfathered uses, and new offices were limited to those ancillary office uses. New restaurants were limited to a specified number of seats with required documentation that the restaurant served the employees of the Marin ship. And new residential uses were prohibited with the exception of a specified percentage of liveaboard vessels at marinas. |
| 02:40:44.65 | Unknown | In terms of economics, the plan does not contain a section on economic intent or development. Certain uses in the marineship area, the plan recognized that some of the uses that were encouraged were not large revenue generators for the property owner. In promoting low demand type uses, the plan also allowed some high demand uses, high market demand uses, so that the market demand uses would fuel the low demand uses. And so for example, arts uses were principally allowed on most parcels in the MarinShip. It was recognized that at the time of adoption of the plan, that arts uses may not, arts uses alone may not provide enough revenue for the property owner to maintain the property. And therefore, applied arts uses were allowed with an arts use as long as the total amount of applied arts uses didn't exceed 50%. This was put in place so that the applied arts uses would support the arts uses on the site. |
| 02:41:45.97 | Unknown | And finally, in terms of infrastructure, the plan states that the city had decided to take a passive role in the realization of various infrastructure and improvement projects in the marineship-specific plan area, preferring to have the private sector provide the projects whenever feasible. And the plan specifies that those private projects may be funded by assessment districts where tax is levied on properties within the area to fund improvements. |
| 02:42:15.24 | Unknown | The subcommittee also conducted a review of the existing conditions in the marineship and identified a number of areas that appear to be thriving. These areas were characterized by uses that further the goals of the marineship and are relatively supported by the community. and generally provide good property maintenance. In addition, some of these areas provide So in some of these areas, private development has made infrastructure improvements such as roadway and sidewalk improvements. And so as examples, the 10, 20, 28, and 30 Liberty Shipway buildings support a mix of industrial uses, applied arts, marine commercial services, and art studios. The Schoonmaker Point Marina area supports a mix of restaurant uses, recreational facilities, applied arts, light industrial, and marine industrial uses. And Clipper Basins 2-4 and the facilities at 420 and 350 Harbor Drive support a marina, a restaurant, and a boatyard, which provides boat service, restoration, repair, and boat |
| 02:43:18.92 | Ray Withy | Do you want us to hold our questions till the end? Is that what you prefer? |
| 02:43:22.67 | Unknown | Whenever you prefer as counsel. |
| 02:43:25.50 | Unknown | Do you want us to hold it to the end? Yeah, I think you're holding it to the end. |
| 02:43:31.31 | Unknown | So here are two additional examples that predate the Marin Chef specific plan, the 330 Bridgeway building with a mix of applied arts and grandfathered offices, and Mariners Landing with a mix of restaurants, arts, applied arts, grandfathered offices. And these were other areas of the Marin Chef that the group felt were working well. |
| 02:43:55.78 | Unknown | The subcommittee also identified a number of areas that appear to be struggling in the marinship. These areas were characterized by underdeveloped parcels, deteriorating buildings, predominance of storage uses, lack of infrastructure improvements like sidewalks, and in general, need of property maintenance. As examples, though some properties the group noted with these characteristics were portions of the Sausalito shipyard and marina. portions of the east side of Gate 5 Road. the VA building at 25 Liberty Shipway and the RV storage parking area along Marin shipway. |
| 02:44:32.99 | Unknown | Here's an aerial view of the marine ship outlined in black with those specific locations identified. The examples that we termed healthy are in green and the ones that appear to be struggling are in orange. |
| 02:44:52.38 | Unknown | The three categories of land use economics and infrastructure were used to analyze the existing conditions in the MarinShip. The report prepared by the WAM committee aided in this analysis effort with the subcommittee and staff. With regard to land use, it was discussed that the zoning ordinance and the plan are, in some cases, inconsistent with each other. The plan is also internally inconsistent in some cases due to parcels over time being merged or subdivided. These inconsistencies cause challenges for everyone, the public, property owners, staff, and decision makers alike. Additionally, a number of economic issues in the marine ship were discussed by the group including the assessment that the nature of the marine fishing industry has changed since the adoption of the plan. and there's a perception of economic stagnation in the area. Lastly, with regards to infrastructure, there are deteriorating storm drains, piers, buildings, and sewers. Subsidence is occurring, which causes the pilings to rise to the ground surface, which results in road buckling. Sea level rises also cause flooding, which overloads the sewer system. The subcommittee examined the interaction of the three categories of land use, economics, and infrastructure in order to further define these issues. And the confluence of land use and economic issues, for example, is that when grandfather land uses are not clear to decision makers and property owners, uncertainty for property owners leasing space may occur. An example of the interaction between infrastructure issues and economics is that when flooding occurs it causes decreased revenue due to businesses temporarily closing and improvements and causes improvements having to be made due to damage cost. In looking at the interface between land use and infrastructure issues, the group considered that permitted uses in some areas may not generate enough revenue to make the necessary infrastructure improvements, and this may be compounded by the amount of improvements that are needed to be made. |
| 02:47:07.06 | Unknown | After conducting the analysis as described, the subcommittee determined that there are a number of issues that affect the Marin Ship area. And to not address these issues results in the cost to the city and the community. And these costs are felt in a variety of ways. In terms of environmental factors, sea level rise causes flooding and impacts to the sewer system. And this in turn impacts businesses and city resources and services. In many areas of the marine ship infrastructure, like sidewalks, streetlights, and benches, have not been put in place. Additionally, they are poorly maintained road surfaces. These conditions could put the community at harm and could expose the city to the probability and or impact of an unfortunate event. Additionally, the existing infrastructure in the Marine ship is in decline. There are deteriorating storm drains, sewers, and uneven road surfaces. And there's other miscellaneous public safety issues, like railroad ties coming through the street. Residents and employees could be put in unsafe situations, businesses could lose revenue, and the city could be exposed again to unfortunate events. The MSP document itself has inconsistencies within the zoning ordinance and contains outdated information such as parcel numbers, addresses, property names. This can cause uncertainty for property owners and businesses and city resources could be expended to resolve these inconsistencies. There are also deteriorating structures in the marine ship and some in need of maintenance. and properties which are uncared for and underdeveloped may lower neighboring property values. and may cause a negative impact on businesses which are thriving in the neighborhood. Deteriorating buildings may prove to be an attractive nuisance, which may increase crime in the area and other areas of the city and cause an impact on city services and also potential impacts, again, to other areas in the city. And lastly, due to subsidence, the area is sinking, which causes flooding to occur, roadways to buckle, and pilings on which the area is built to rise out of the pavement. Also pipes to break. This in terms impacts the business revenue and puts people who live and work in the community in jeopardy in terms of safety. Therefore, the subcommittee has determined that the cost of taking no action is too great and that the best course of action is to take some action. And therefore, the subcommittee is recommending the council take the following actions. First, to direct a city council appointed steering committee, city staff, and a higher consultant to work together to do the following. first to evaluate the marine ship specific plan using studies already completed on behalf of the city. and any new studies as recommended by the consultant to determine to what degree the plan is adding to the health of the city and to what degree that it is necessary to avoid the negative consequences of doing nothing. Next, to identify areas of the Marin ship where improvements can be made to the plan to add to the health of the city and to avoid the negative consequences of doing nothing. |
| 02:50:41.15 | Unknown | also to develop a community engagement plan and a property owner outreach program. And then lastly, recommend changes to the plan as required. |
| 02:50:53.50 | Unknown | Also, the subcommittee is recommending the council appoint a steering committee, which would be subject to the Brown Act, and composed of five members appointed by the city council and two city council liaisons appointed by the mayor. And tonight, the city council should provide direction on the makeup of the five mayor's members to be appointed by the council. Staff recommends that the council discuss this recommendation this evening and direct staff as appropriate. And that concludes our staff report. I'm available for any questions. We also have staff from Public Works, Finance, and Community Development here available to answer any questions you may have as well. Thank you. |
| 02:51:34.57 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Lily. Any questions? We'll do the same thing. We'll start one and then go around. |
| 02:51:42.62 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, Mr. Mayor, I have a question. So, Lily, in one of the slides you shared, you talked about the deterioration of the infrastructure And it's my understanding that the infrastructure, the sidewalks, the sewers are privately owned. Is that correct in the Marinship? |
| 02:52:08.61 | Unknown | There are some publicly owned properties, the streets, and the ownership of the majority are privately owned. |
| 02:52:15.36 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So the majority are privately owned. We're talking sewers and sidewalks. |
| 02:52:19.48 | Unknown | I think Jonathan should actually come up and address this. Okay, great. The sewer issue. |
| 02:52:22.03 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, great. Okay. Okay, great. Because I know there's a lot of crisscross and I know there were questions regarding storm |
| 02:52:33.74 | Jonathon Goldman | The short answer is that there are The ratio of public and private sewer facilities in the Marinship is the same as it is throughout the city. private property owners are responsible for significant footages of facilities between their upper laterals and the main lines. The main lines are the wastewater enterprises. Where the differences in the marineship in general has to do with the distinction between public right-of-way and private property with public rights of access. So streets, for example, and sidewalks, there are very few areas in the marineship that are public right-of-way. Storm drains are a lot of different areas. an area of significant uncertainty with conflicting information in the records, What? So there are circumstances where the city has traditionally maintained storm drainage facilities that may in fact be private facilities that were not constructed with city money, certainly. There are other circumstances where there are in fact public facilities with appropriate easements and things like that. |
| 02:54:06.72 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So the roads and the sidewalks are privately owned. |
| 02:54:11.43 | Jonathon Goldman | I wouldn't say that the roads and the sidewalks are privately owned. |
| 02:54:15.61 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | what would you say, what percentage? |
| 02:54:18.53 | Jonathon Goldman | A significant percentage of roads and sidewalks in the Marin shift are privately owned. Okay. But there are also public rights of way. Right. And I suspect there are probably parcels or road segments and things like that that are owned and fee titled by the city. The water, gas, electric utilities are owned by the utilities. There are some private as well, but those are usually service laterals and things like that, much like the sewer |
| 02:54:24.94 | Unknown | OK. Right. |
| 02:54:37.67 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:54:37.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:50.66 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:54:51.96 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:54:52.00 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:54:52.08 | Ray Withy | But Jonathan, before you leave, but unlike one thing that is very different here is much of the infrastructure is in private hands, unlike the rest of the city. In terms of some, a good portion of the streets, a good portion of the |
| 02:54:52.10 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | it. |
| 02:55:04.97 | Ray Withy | The sidewalks have become so blurred now, the way Sausalito has dumped that reality onto the homeowner without them knowing it. 10 years ago. But there's a lot of the infrastructure. Meaningful chunk, that's very different from the rest of the |
| 02:55:19.84 | Jonathon Goldman | I certainly agree that with respect to the distinction between public right-of-way, which includes streets and sidewalks, and private property with public access, the marineship has a very high proportion of private. Just as a point of information though, that sidewalk issue actually goes back to state streets and highways code, which way predates recent ordinance in Sausalito and any other |
| 02:55:34.69 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 02:55:35.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:35.58 | Ray Withy | But in volume. |
| 02:55:49.15 | Ray Withy | Yeah, let's not get into that one today. We've gotten into that before. But it's safe to say, except for a few, there are a few exceptions of public, whatever rights of way, or there are actually some public-owned streets or portions of streets. But as far as deteriorating road infrastructure, it's not simply the city's fault of what roads they're deteriorating, the private roads are deteriorating much worse than the city maintained streets. |
| 02:55:50.48 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 02:56:16.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, I hope that that's the case. The other point that is worth making is that when we use the term private, that's a little bit too narrow. The fact is that the federal government owns significant road segments in the marine ship still that are not public right-of-way in terms of the California code. |
| 02:56:17.94 | Ray Withy | There's a mixed bag on everybody's. |
| 02:56:23.12 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 02:56:31.12 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:56:43.45 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So I guess I was just seeking clarity in terms of the distinction between what the city owned versus what was not owned by the city, whether it be the federal government or the private property owner. And where I'm leading up to is that one of the slides referred to revenues not high enough to support improvements. So did that comment refer to... the question as to after, for example, the millions or whatever it would be invested in correcting the flooding, etc., that the revenues of the businesses that might replace those would generate would be able to provide, make it worth the investment is what I'm trying to say. |
| 02:57:45.54 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm trying to say. Since I have the microphone, I'm going to answer part of that question. Storm drains are the best example in the easy to answer parts of the question. We know that there's ambiguity about who's responsible for what. And of the even setting aside the Marin ship, the revenue available to the city to maintain and make capital improvements in the storm drain system that we have is completely inadequate. When one gets into the marineship, that issue becomes complicated by the fact that it's not clear whose responsibility to maintain and make capital reinvestments it is. With respect to other elements of infrastructure, streets and sidewalks and things like that, it's clearly not the city's responsibility. And yet, for a property owner to be able to generate enough revenue to afford to make wholesale improvements along with all of their neighbors in the form of an improvement district or something like that, the economy has to be pretty healthy to make that happen. |
| 02:59:04.70 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | thing. Thank you. So in light of kind of the murkiness and the questions that exist regarding who owns what, who's responsible for what, who's responsible for maintaining what, Is it prudent to go forward with some sort of, you know, analysis on, you know, on this type of growth without getting the answers to those questions first? |
| 02:59:27.40 | Ray Withy | Absolutely prudent. |
| 02:59:29.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:59:32.73 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:59:33.82 | Unknown | you |
| 02:59:33.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:34.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:59:34.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:34.25 | Ray Withy | Yeah, was... Lily? So when the folks were talking in terms of struggling, so the definition of what's healthy and what's struggling is debatable, right? In some persons, what viewed as healthy, construction of new construction, may not be healthy in somebody else's point of view, depending on their point of view, right? It's all relative. As far as struggling being undeveloped properties, if I choose not to develop my property for 30 years, does that make it struggling? If I choose not to be a property for 30 years, does that make it struggling? If I choose not to maintain my property to the normal industry standards, does that make it a struggling property because I chose to do that as a property owner? And can I blame, you know, so it's, is it the city's duty to encourage people to, or to say, If people choose to derelict their properties, is that struggling? Because that's a terrible landlord strategy to follow, to take reality into controlling your zoning. So if that's what we're defining struggling as, then we're in a tough road for the rest of the town. If that's what we say, go ahead, let your property become derelict, and we'll change the zoning for you. So, I mean, is that struggling? Is that how you guys came up with struggling? |
| 03:00:59.82 | Unknown | In terms of what we were looking at, we were looking at areas that didn't seem to have put in infrastructure improvements like sidewalks. The property was not well maintained. There were a number of storage uses on the site. Those are, I think, the three main categories that we were looking at. |
| 03:01:20.17 | Ray Withy | Storage usage is the most, and I believe some property owners, is the most economically viable use in the marineship. It's the highest value. because you can charge more per square foot than anything else for storage. So does that make that struggling and unhealthy? So it's a relative. These decisions are, but you have to put some value judgments behind them. So by even just phrasing them in a staff report, we need to be a little bit more careful, I think, on where we're coming out. Because this issue is fiery. So I think even coming at these in this way is a little dangerous. |
| 03:01:55.03 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Vice Mayor, if I could just ask if you're going to make those type of comments, direct them at me. Lillisa is doing her work here and those comments may also be appropriate for the discussion amongst the members of the committee. But any discussion of judgment on why we place those comments in there should be directed to me. Thank you. |
| 03:02:17.17 | Ray Withy | it is a staff report right so i think it's just okay so maybe we need to talk about that going forward Not your name being honest. Though we could address that later. |
| 03:02:28.02 | Unknown | But |
| 03:02:30.98 | Unknown | we could address that |
| 03:02:31.97 | Unknown | later. |
| 03:02:32.72 | Unknown | . |
| 03:02:33.51 | Unknown | Thank you. Any other questions? |
| 03:02:38.62 | Ray Withy | Actually, to help staff out a little bit here. The original term used was blight. |
| 03:02:48.48 | Ray Withy | Yeah, again, though, it's a self-selected choice. |
| 03:02:49.15 | Ray Withy | And I understood your point, but I'm just telling you what the original word was that we thought was a little provocative and so changed it. |
| 03:03:07.66 | Unknown | or |
| 03:03:08.66 | Unknown | Let me go around the way. |
| 03:03:09.76 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 03:03:15.86 | Ray Withy | So in terms of the suggested, let's assume for the sake of argument that I'll put supporting arguments hold water and go to this point. Is this the right word to take this? Action. You know, it's a sort of assuming that action needs to be taken and then come up with some solutions and then take it out to the public. But would it be better to start the other way around and say, hey, public, do you think this is a problem? And if they think it's a problem, then maybe address it in the form of having some professional |
| 03:03:52.40 | Unknown | The thought would be that the public would be involved from the very beginning. There would be public meetings that the steering committee with the consultant and staff would be holding. So the public's comments would be incorporated into those decisions moving forward. |
| 03:04:10.86 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor? |
| 03:04:11.43 | Ray Withy | And where is the funding coming from for any of these steps? Is the question for the committee. I won't put you on it because there is none for this. So where would it come from? Well, it's not in the budget either. So where would it come from? To hire highly qualified consultants and to hold two years of public meetings that it would take to do it. |
| 03:04:33.46 | Adam Politzer | Yes, that would come at the conclusion of the priority calendar process if the council continues to have this item as an above the line item as it did last year. then during the budget process, you would have that discussion if funds were needed to support this recommendation. Last year, we did not ask for funds. to be a part of the Marin Chef We thought that working internally with staff And that's what we did when we came forward with the Marineship 101 discussion. And then that, then transformed to the next stage, which was have this subcommittee, this task force that the mayor appointed with Council Member Withey and Theodorus and staff. And then these are the recommendations which would bring us up to the end of this year in terms of action from last year's priority calendar. So as the priority calendar goes forward, if the council decides to take action on the recommendation that's before you, then as you're indicating, Vice Mayor budget would have to be provided for this to actually move forward. Thank you. |
| 03:05:45.43 | Ray Withy | This is two years of street repairs. I've funded out a general plan to fund this. Is that what, that's what I think the choice you have to take to the public rather than put just to the landlords. And so my question here is when you're talking about adding to the health, because obviously I think that's from the city, you know, what does that mean? What did you guys think that that meant, adding to the health of the city? Is it city revenues? Is it we want rolling green, going down to the walk path along the road? The waterfront, what is it? |
| 03:06:18.27 | Thomas Theodores | Well, it's all of it. I mean, if you take a look at the marine ship, it's a beautiful waterfront area. And actually, during our campaign, since we're new on it, I mean, virtually almost everywhere you went is, how could we let the marine ship BE IN THE STATE THAT IT'S IN. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL WATERPRONT AREA. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS lost opportunities. One is just aesthetics. But... historical buildings, economic opportunities that we can't have in terms of revenues and tax and that type of thing. And it's virtually use of it by the citizens, I mean, in terms of We are, we now have use of it in terms of Schumacher on the beach and we have restaurants, but there are a lot of lost opportunities. quite a bit and we haven't even We're just at the very start of it. We had a couple of meetings about what we should do. We took a look at. The flooding in the areas and some of the businesses we may lose, like Heath Ceramics and other businesses down there, And there's just a lot of both lost opportunity and actual losses. I mean, I'm just going off the top of my head. I mean, the list can go on. if we wanted to. So when we said, you know, these are the things that we'd be losing. And by the way, in terms of, you know, ownership, I mean, there's a lot of, Funding of this hasn't been determined, obviously, and many of it. would come from, much of it would come from property owners when they have increased economic opportunities. We just don't know at this point where it's going to go, but we, this is what we need to explore because we could see that the trend down there is, you know, not only from a basic subsidence and other type issues, but I mean, just from an economic point of view, it's becoming more blighted, we can use the word blighted, and it may affect other businesses as you go down there. And I certainly think it's just, an important asset is, I mean, some call it a crown jewel that we should give some attention to. anything extreme down there, we don't know. But it seems to me that after 25 years of not doing anything, we should take a look at what we could do to improve it. And economics are important, including what studies we how much we spend on studies and that kind of thing. But I think we should take some action. If for nothing else that we look at it and say, you know, it's perfect as it is and we're not going to take any action at all. |
| 03:08:39.46 | Ray Withy | Any other questions? At this time, we have any questions from the public on this item? comments. Thank you. |
| 03:08:54.46 | Vicki Nichols | I'm happy to see this. I think we've talked for a long time about looking at the marinship-specific plan. What I don't see on here, and I'm thinking that, I'm seeing mainly from your outline, and I think I said before it has to be very specific and very clear for whoever is working on it. I see it basically as an economic thrust. But I do think, based on Tom's last comments, that you have aesthetic concerns down there. historic structures and you have recreation. If you want to just have this focus on the economics and how you can make it more revenue, that's one thing, but that should be very clearly stated in that goal should be listed. I feel to make it more inclusive, if you're going to elicit comments from the public, you want to have all those other aspects because maybe someone's preference of that jewel is not necessarily the revenue. but how the access to the water may be improved and how does that all get incorporated and considered amongst this work. So you can either, you know, narrow it to economics or you can expand it a little bit to, I think, include the community more. |
| 03:10:15.72 | Unknown | Thank you, Ricky. |
| 03:10:21.35 | Unknown | Bruce Huff. First of all, I'd like to applaud you as a city council for the first council in 25 years that's had the courage to explore the issues in the Marine ship. And I agree with Tom. At the end of the day, you may come to the conclusion that you like it the way it is. But, This has been a a 25-year campaign on our part, particularly for infrastructure, I'm far less concerned with the land use questions. than I am with the infrastructure questions. And I think the infrastructure does drive to a certain extent the economics and it does drive, you know, land use. Just to answer the question in a broad firm about what's privately and publicly owned, Virtually all the circulation system Harbor Drive and North is city-owned. Virtually all the infrastructure south of Harper Drive is privately owned. or owned by the federal government and owned by the city of Sausalito, I might add. The flooding areas are in public streets. That's city owned streets. the southern end where we are we don't get flooding to any extent unless there's a sewer, unless there's some kind of backup or a sewer spill. But This, the Marin ship truly is half of Saucyus waterfront. It truly is half of the crown jewel of why people are here. And. 25 years ago there was a vision Um, Not all of us agreed with that vision, but we worked within that vision. We've invested. large sums of money, we've gotten returns, we maintain our buildings. But we cannot maintain what classically is a a public improvement, which is a circulation system sidewalk systems and streetlights we can install them and we have done that and but we can't maintain them. A property owner owns to the middle of the street His natural inclination is just to maintain his half of that street. So the guy across the street, which in this case, by the way, is 25 Liberty Ship, historical landmark we have there. if they decide not to maintain, then you have half of an improvement. The installation of infrastructure and the payment of infrastructure among the major property owners down there has never been an issue. We've always been willing. to invest in the in our future and in the public's right of access, because to a large extent, the public's right of access makes our future better. I'm sorry. I'll leave. I'm just trying to clarify that installing infrastructure, and participating in the cost of the infrastructure is different from the maintenance of that infrastructure, and private property owners can't do that. because there's no continuity. Their private property ends. So thank you. |
| 03:13:49.89 | Ray Withy | Anybody else? Okay, let's bring it back up here then. |
| 03:13:55.65 | Unknown | Jesus. |
| 03:13:56.86 | Ray Withy | It's like pulling, trying to, it's like, hey Peter, it's like pulling teeth to get you up here. |
| 03:13:56.98 | Unknown | It's like pulling... |
| 03:13:59.04 | Peter Van Meter | It's like, Yeah. What? Oh, you what, pull another tooth? |
| 03:14:05.57 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:14:07.54 | Peter Van Meter | Here's a statement by someone once running for office and said, it's time to ensure and the future development of the Marin ship will be done according to community standards and be environmentally sound. That was yours truly in 1977. And you've had a toothache ever since. So already in your debate you've gotten into like, you know, the what ifs. You're talking about the infrastructure, who owns and what, and you know, what's the future going to be. |
| 03:14:23.17 | Ray Withy | So And you've had a toothache ever since. Right. |
| 03:14:39.88 | Peter Van Meter | Look, forget all that about what is right now. Start the process. because a process will define the what-ifs. |
| 03:14:46.58 | Unknown | whatever. |
| 03:14:47.49 | Peter Van Meter | So this is the time to get the process going. Whether you have a committee, I don't know about another committee, it seems to me you ought to just go ahead and get the public hearing started, you know, sort of doing it. But the point is, let's get the process going, get off the sidelines, The consensus is in town, I mean, you can go hire a consultant, have a survey, but you already know the answer. You've got to do something. You got to do something. The current specific plan doesn't work. And maybe your committee decides it does work. Like somebody just said, leave it as is. But the point is now is the time to do something. Forget about debating the results. talk about getting it going. Thank you. |
| 03:15:33.86 | Michael Rex | Hi, I'm Michael Rex, local architect, and I sat in this room 25 years ago when the marine ship plan was being debated. I think there was only me and maybe one other person here in this room when it was approved. It was kind of tragic. It is a You've already gone through a public process, actually, too. You have WAN. That was appointed by the consul. They represented the broadest spectrum of public viewpoint we can put together. They spent two years studying the problem. They wrote a great report pointing out the problem. I think it's to Wham's credit that finally they got the town's attention, we have a problem. So I don't think we need to debate anymore, do we have a problem? We have an obsolete plan. It's 25 years out of date. I think it's a failed plan. We can argue that, but I think, personally, it's a failed plan. It was based on the premise, we're going to remove what we don't want, the possibilities of what we don't want, and the hope we'll get what we do want. Well, that's a negative approach. We need a public-private partnership to figure out what we do want and how to get there. And it starts with updating this plan. You have another public process. You appointed a subcommittee. to evaluate what to do. of your own council members. They're coming back, they've done their homework, they're coming back with a recommendation. I want you to support WAM's effort that this console set in motion. I want you to support your subcommittees recommendations and their efforts. One other thing I asked you to do whatever process you're going to take. I don't want to end up with another Imagine Sauce Theater where hundreds of people work years coming up with great ideas. And then it all just gets shoved aside and put on a shelf. That's not fair to those people that volunteered all those hours. If you're going to take the next step, I want the council to also make a commitment. They'll actually take action on the recommendations through some sort of public process, so those recommendations are memorialized in action. The first step is to proceed with these recommendations. Thank you. Okay. |
| 03:17:58.99 | Pat Zook | Hi. There have been a few people, I mean, people come up here and they say this specific plan failed. It's a failed plan. I'm not going to argue that. In fact, I'll agree with it. But I would also like to point out that a specific plan was by definition, well, not by, but by... A specific plan was a five-year plan. It should have been reviewed every five years. This thing is 25 years old. We have been reticent not reticent we've been negligent in not treating the specific plan as it was designed to be treated. I think that is a flaw back then, and I think it would be a flaw to continue it now. Whenever we look at the marine ship, we start looking at it as an isolated piece of a problem. It's there. It's unique. The Marineship is part of this town. The treatment of the MarinShip should be part of the general plan. We should not be dealing with other new specific plans that in 20 years will be obsolete because we haven't looked at them and we've designed it to be specific to this particular period of time and these particular concerns. dealing with the marineship as part of the whole city. Governing is making choices with resources, and if you choose to use your resources to spend money on infrastructure improvements and maintenance and so forth down there, you're going to have to realize that you're not going to be spending that money somewhere else. So, Uh, I would urge you, if you do appoint a subcommittee or another subcommittee or a big committee or a little committee, to please incorporate the Marineship in the general plan rather than dealing with it uniquely. Finally, the thrust of this was, the thrust of the staff report, was that the cost of doing nothing is too great. And I would... There's an old saying that, you know, please give me the strength to change the things I can change, the serenity to accept the things I can't change, and the wisdom to know the difference. And I think there has to be a little bit of that with the Marineship. Sea rise isn't going to stop because we will it to stop, nor is it going to stop if we spend a gazillion dollars putting up barricades and helping the property owners put their properties on stilts. We need to be able to look at this property with clear eyes and the understanding that the reason pilings are coming through the property is because that was temporary property to begin with. And some of it actually wants to go back to the bay. I hope we know what to do with that stuff. |
| 03:20:57.67 | Adam Krivacsi | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. Thank you. Adam Krivachi, 840, Olima State. As part of the Business Advisory Committee, we have given this matter much thought. And We educated ourselves as to what's going on there in the partnership area, how it relates to the community. We analyzed other people's studies about the threat of subsidence, of sea level rise, And we had to find that Thank you. unless there is some action we might lose much of this community's vitality There are 3,000 jobs there. And some major companies thinking about expanding and not there but somewhere else, leaving down. Uh, We know that West Marine would like to build had got their store major new store, They're thinking about going somewhere else. Last year we had the threat of Heath leaving because of flooding. |
| 03:22:26.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:26.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:35.08 | Adam Krivacsi | It's just a matter of time that Out of the 3,000 jobs we have, we worry about getting another 1,000 jobs. but we have to worry about hanging on to the jobs we have. The people who come here to work here spend money The firms who employ them are a part of this community. So I would like to urge the City Council to continue what you started so well and pursue a thought process, a public thought process that doesn't represent any threat to anybody because it includes the checks and balances of any public process that takes place in a community. Thank you. |
| 03:23:31.19 | Ray Withy | Anybody else? Okay, let's bring it back up here. Um, You know, my time is really Moving. Uh, I'd like to recommend at this time Well, yeah, let's go to comment. I was trying to shot stop that, but go ahead. That didn't work. |
| 03:23:45.83 | Jacques Ullman | Thank you. |
| 03:23:45.93 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:23:52.95 | Ray Withy | Thank you. But, you know, I've said this for the last couple years, there's no harm, and I think it's to our benefit to take stock of this area as well as, you know, how it fits into the rest of Sausalito. But I think you're... And people have done a number of things over the years. And it's like anything. You don't want to try to bite, eat the whole sandwich at once. is that you've got to, in order to attack this problem, you need to break it down into some really small steps and do the small steps in chunks, because otherwise you're going to hit a wall. And I disagree that there's public consensus, because I've walked and knocked on doors five, four, at least four times, three times for myself. once for the Public Safety Building, and there's no consensus that this is broken. Most people don't even know this thing exists. Right? So what they see is a couple properties that are derelict, and they wonder why that's the case. But some people like defunciness, some people don't. It goes back, there's no consensus around that this is really bring Sausalito into the dump. I think that having knocked on a lot of doors, that especially even at that end of town that look on it all day long, But there's a consensus that this is a terrible part of Sostheos. Sostheos should be embarrassed. And I don't think that that's the case. But if we do want to reassess this, if there's value to be gained, and that's the other assumption in here, that there's value. First, find out if there's value to be gained. I think Charlie has some point of view on that. for the rest of the town. How much money do people spend who just work here and go to lunch and you'll never see them again? How much value does that create for Sausalito? Should we have kept Autodesk back in the day because it was a huge company? My guess would be no. It's... because you can't accommodate that. You can't accommodate the volume of people coming to work in Sausalito that Autodesk accommodates in its current location. But regardless of that, we've got to break it, and we can't, I don't want to create the same, somebody, I forget who said this, the Magis-Ossolito process where you, You put the whole thing out there and you It becomes... dividing lightning rod for this town. We're finally trying to get things moving in this town, get things built, get things maintained. It's only been happening for four years. And before that, it was a decade of nothing. So I think we need to really before you form committees and committees upon committees and public outreach, really decide what are the small pieces that you can stomach here. Otherwise, we're going to be wasting our time, and we're going to be spending a lot of money. It costs, I forget the last time we asked somebody for what it would cost to redo the general plan, somewhere between half a million to a million dollars. That's more than we spend. on street maintenance except for that comes out of your general fund in four years. Okay? not gas tax money from the state. So we really have to prioritize what we're spending money on. Do you want to redo your parks? Do you want to do storm raids or do you want more taxes? Because that's what you're going to get. If you take that money and spend it on this, you're going to have to come up with more money for it. There's going to be another sewer tax coming. There's going to be a storm drain tax coming, and you're not going to have any money to redo your parks. |
| 03:27:11.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:27:11.61 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:27:11.98 | Unknown | Thank you. COMMENT? |
| 03:27:17.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:27:17.11 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 03:27:21.46 | Ray Withy | Well, you know my position because I was on this committee, this subcommittee. I do believe that actually taking no action is a decision which has negative consequences. I'm not sure I would necessarily agree with Michael that this was a failed plan. I think it was very successful in achieving its goals. But now, 25 years later, significant unintended consequences and After 25 years, there can be, in my mind, no excuse for not. taking another look. So, The other thing is that I Economics are very important. Charlie says in the end it all comes down to money. Thank you. |
| 03:28:12.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:28:13.10 | Ray Withy | But This wasn't necessarily to have only an economic focus at all. Um. Personally, I don't know how you can preserve historic structures without finding the money to preserve them. So historic preservation is an economic issue. I don't know how you can improve infrastructure without finding the money to do it, so that's an economic issue. But So there is an economic overlay, but that doesn't mean that infrastructure, public access, Do you know why a lot of people won't go down the marine ship? in the early evening, in the summer, because they're frightened. They're frightened of the crime down there. |
| 03:28:59.47 | Ray Withy | Don't get the cheap going, man. |
| 03:29:04.28 | Ray Withy | I mean, we just had a drug bust of, you know, the chief can tell us how many pounds of marijuana was in one of the storage facilities. Okay, half a million dollars worth. OK, things are degrading, and we need to take action. I agree with Peter, this is a start. I also agree with much of what the Vice Mayor said. This needs to be divided up into small chunks, You know, one of the beauties of the Marine Ship's Pacific Plan is that it actually dealt with things on a very small basis. It divided everything up. It analyzed them. It took planning areas and carefully tried to determine what was best. build on that. And I promised the community when I ran that I would help try and reach consensus on the next steps for the marinship. And I'm not going in with any preconceived notions that things must dramatically change. I don't know that that's the case. But we shouldn't just be burying our head in the sands and not doing anything. |
| 03:30:13.91 | Thomas Theodores | And I agree. We've talked about that we need to do something. And I also agree with Vice Mayor's comments, but also the comments of that we've done things in the Managing Sausalito, the WAM reports, and we tried to bite off too much and we weren't able to really get anything done. We have a lot of data, not only the WAM report, but there were other reports, and there are a lot of things specified in there that can be done. And what we're trying to do, and it's a difficult thing. to try to create, we don't want to create another committee, but we're trying to get the committee together to pull together what was done propose to the Council things that are pretty, you know, the low-hanging fruit, things that can be done, and then we move from there into other things. I think there's the basic idea of the Marine-Specific Plan, which I also agree was what served the community well at the time, and it still has quite a bit of wisdom in it, but we have to look at it and see where is it holding us back, where is it not serving our interests. And again, until we start, we don't know quite what the outcome is going to be and what approaches we'll do. But we are trying not to reinvent everything. We're trying to build on what's already there and recommendations that are pretty obvious. |
| 03:31:36.11 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So my feeling in looking at this is I heard a couple comments regarding the infrastructure and I heard different answers with respect to clarity of ownership with regards to the storm drains, the fact that part of it is the sewers, the sidewalks, the roads with private ownership versus federal and public. And I just want to see clarity on that before we start looking at you know, how we might take an approach to the Marinian ship. because that to me is absolutely imperative. It comes down to trade-offs. If we're gonna be using staff time and city resources to look at the marinship, it is pulling away from, you know, streets, sewers, sidewalks, et cetera, in other parts of Sausalito. So I would concur that we need to look at it as part of the general plan, and that we also need to pay attention to What is uniquely Sausalito? in the marine ship, the maritime services, the industrial uses, the artists, recognize that that is an important economic diversity for Sausalito. And also recognize that the last time there was a lot of development in the Marin ship, the residents responded with the traffic initiative. to mitigate the horrendous traffic that surfaced in the northern part of town. So I think we do need to look at this holistically, and we first and foremost need to understand the the issue about private versus public and who owns what, and who is responsible for maintaining those storm drains, because that could translate into you know, millions of liability for the city, I think. The other comment that was made about funding for historic buildings. There's always been consensus on this council with regards to like the machine shops and exploring the historic district in the Marin ship. And also with regards to, you know, the storage areas, the storage sheds were put up there because, as it was mentioned earlier, they were viewed as highest and best use. What was there before the storage sheds was, it was the... the Arkez Boat School. You know, because it was initially an educational maritime trust. That was the property. And that was the intent of the property. So I think it's important that we keep this in mind as we go forward. |
| 03:34:40.82 | Ray Withy | No. Maybe it was good that we didn't do something 25 years ago, because if we did it, we wouldn't be able to handle the future and sea level rising. Now we have the opportunity to look at that and address that. Anybody ever take a ride down a marine ship? We don't have trains go through there anymore. Anybody right over the tracks that are over there? They're about a foot and a half coming off the ground. That whole area. is just falling apart. You cannot turn your back to it. You cannot look at it and say, well, we're going to, I'd rather do improvements on the roads. Well, we have. We've done 62 to 70 percent of the roads in the last five, six years. Thank you. but you cannot turn your back anymore to marinship. That has to be addressed, and we have to now look at it for the future in the next 50 years, and now's the time to do it. So I really recommend that we do put a committee together. And then move forward. and I would like to see Um, a mixture, a makeup of two former mayors, so we know that there's some history behind that. Thank you. One planning commissioner? and let the Planning Commission pick them. two citizens at large, two council liaisons, and the staff would be Lily. And that's what I recommend. And let's see what reports and how we can move forward on this. Don't turn your back to this. Don't wait another 25 years economically and just in general. I think we're doing injustice to ourselves and our community. So I'd like to move forward with forming this committee. Thank you. |
| 03:36:37.97 | Ray Withy | Yeah, but as a Brown Act committee, it's not just appointed by the mayor. No, that's a task. Right. It's a committee. So, yeah, my suggestion is it doesn't matter who's on it in terms of mayors or whatever the heck. You don't like the history. What's important is you give it a mission that it can accomplish. And I'll take my cue from Bruce because even though we've disagreed many times over, I like the way he's once or twice. I think Bruce by and large has his head on straight. So I think infrastructure is the key. If I'm a property owner down there, I wish I had won the lottery and could buy it, but I probably wouldn't have bought property down there because you just don't know what the future is. So if infrastructure is the key, |
| 03:36:41.51 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:36:41.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:36:41.54 | Ray Withy | No. |
| 03:36:41.90 | Unknown | That's a task. Right. This is a committee. |
| 03:36:50.17 | Unknown | The Press Secretary. |
| 03:37:21.96 | Ray Withy | to just laying the groundwork, so to speak, to know Okay, what's happening with sea level rise? How's that going to affect me? What's happening with the sewers, the storm drains, the da-da-da-da-da-da-da? Because a lot of it's just knowing what the rules are, so to speak. is a property owner. and how much I can change the rules, in terms of zoning and other things, really relies on Okay, what does it cost to own a piece of property here, and what can I do with it? And I'd say if you're going to form a committee, just have a focus on that to start. bite off a chunk that you can get in your mouth, and not one that's gonna choke you. and just find out who's at the, what infrastructure is what and get a hire someone who is a consultant that can say this is how much it's gonna cost, and this is where the sea level rise is gonna be. If you wanted to build berms, they're gonna be this high, and they're gonna cost you X millions of dollars, and how you're ever gonna recover that cost. And start from there. Don't start with hypotheticals. Start from there. But don't send a committee off that is like, hey, redo the maturinship plan because you're going to come back with garbage in, garbage out. |
| 03:38:25.71 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:38:28.23 | Adam Politzer | Wow. Maybe I can help. |
| 03:38:32.14 | Adam Krivacsi | Yeah. |
| 03:38:33.48 | Adam Politzer | what I think may be direction for staff is if there is a consensus on the makeup of a committee Um... is to ask council members and the public to apply, just like they would apply for the Planning Commission or ATLB, and then we would collect those applications and then bring them forward to be interviewed at some date in the future but in between collecting those applications and scheduling interview, staff can come back with some proposed steps, first steps, small steps, and so the council can continue this discussion on what they would like the purpose and the action of this committee. I think it would be healthy to have a parallel track to have consensus that we should appoint the body The committee has made this recommendation and Charlie and Lily Councilmember Withy and Theodorus and I made this recommendation and we had discussion about this very makeup that the mayor has proposed so that, you know, there's an opportunity Thank you. for us to move forward on collecting applications. Anybody, and we hear that Peter Van Meter was actively involved in this in 1977. But any member that would like to, any member that has been a council member in the past that would like to be a part of this be given consideration. and then obviously let the Planning Commission appoint their own representative and then the rest of the other two be at large, which could end up being another council member, but the intent would be to be a resident. |
| 03:40:25.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:40:25.27 | Adam Politzer | This is the first time. |
| 03:40:25.36 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:40:25.39 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:40:25.48 | Ray Withy | to show you. |
| 03:40:25.52 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:40:25.64 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:40:25.66 | Adam Politzer | Committee. |
| 03:40:25.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Because she ran on a platform regarding the marineship, he ran on a platform regarding the marineship, he, he, he. And that's your committee. And you can yank my ass out of here in a year and a half if you don't like it. Right? And I told you what I was going to do. regarding the marinship. This is the biggest decision this city will make ever. in the foreseeable lives of this plan. There is no greater impact to the economic health or the character of this sauce video So why do we need a committee of people? This is your committee. Take the responsibility here. Take the responsibility at the staff level and do the work here. Hire the right consultants. Do it right. Don't do it with some... half-assed homegrown solution that we always try to get away with in Sausalito, do it right and take the responsibility here and don't put someone in a terrible... Peter ran on his platform... What was the year? Peter, sorry to date you again, but the... 18... 1855? You know, come on. This is... You don't get a bigger issue with Sausalito than this. Why form a committee? You know? You should be able to... Yeah, I think... I'm not... |
| 03:41:17.48 | Jonathon Goldman | 18, 18. |
| 03:41:20.13 | Alex Kushef | Thank you. |
| 03:41:28.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:28.42 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:41:28.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:29.60 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. I'm not here to debate the subject. I'm here to say that our past practice, be it fire consolidation, the sewer committee, Housing Element Task Force, you know, those were models where we used consultants to tackle the, the different phases of moving the discussion forward and bring that information back on a regular basis A MONTHLY BASIS, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL SETS DIRECTION, so that the committee work can roll up their sleeves and get into the minutiae and then bring back that discussion to the Council. I think that if we want to schedule a series of special city council meetings, that would be the model that you would want to take if you wanted to take all of the action at the council meeting, I think it's a good thing. |
| 03:42:19.63 | Jonathon Goldman | They're listening. |
| 03:42:19.85 | Ray Withy | hunt half the ridiculous stuff we have to work on and focus on this is something that really matters to this town and that's this if you're going to dig into it Dig into it. and punt some of this other stuff. because it just eats up staff time and this is why, one of the reasons I ran for this job, and I don't get paid, but I ran, is that you're gonna deal with this and it's gonna shape the town for, |
| 03:42:39.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:39.31 | Unknown | But. |
| 03:42:39.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:44.27 | Ray Withy | long after I'm gone. So don't pass it on to somebody else. If you don't like it, vote me off in a year and a half. All right. So it's, the minutiae is what you're paying these yoyos nothing to do, right? We shouldn't, sorry your yoyos tonight. I'm the chief yoyo, I'll tell you, I'm the only yoyo. But I mean, it really. You know, sorry I'm getting a little emotional, but I really think there's too much of that. This is the issue, let's not kid ourselves. |
| 03:43:04.37 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 03:43:04.66 | Unknown | Thank you. I mean, it really, really, |
| 03:43:05.96 | Unknown | Please. |
| 03:43:06.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:06.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:06.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:06.67 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:43:06.68 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 03:43:06.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:06.88 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:43:06.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:07.00 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:43:07.22 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:43:07.88 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 03:43:15.59 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. this is the way |
| 03:43:18.11 | Ray Withy | But those committees, they'll go off in a direction, they have to rein them in, whatever, and that's what causes this community to go off into polarizing camps, is when you send committees off on a... |
| 03:43:18.14 | Ray Withy | but those |
| 03:43:20.82 | Unknown | I mean, I mean, whatever and that's a |
| 03:43:25.61 | Ray Withy | but, |
| 03:43:30.02 | Ray Withy | Look, no one thinks, I've seen what committees do sometimes. Committees sometimes take forever, and that's why sometimes we went into a direction of a task force, because a task force can put a time limit on it, and that's it. I'm willing to go along with the committee, but I don't want to sit here a year from now and look at this and say, what have we done? We haven't even done anything. I think we should... You said in certain sections and certain... a year from now and look at this and say, what have we done? We haven't even done anything. I think we should, you said in certain sections, in certain blocks, well I think it's now time that it is a very big issue, probably one of the biggest we have, but still no matter what, all of them start off, let's take the baby steps, let's take those steps so even a baby knows to walk in the right direction and that's what we should be doing. Let a I'd even recommend, as we have, that Ray Withey, Councilmember Withey, and Tom Theodores be your two council liaisons on this. and let him |
| 03:44:31.02 | Thomas Theodores | Let's see if we can move it forward. I mean, I... I agree largely with the sentiments because, first of all, It's the most important issue, and it resides with the city council and Having city council responsibility avoid some of the problems we had with the WAM and Imagine Sausalito. Excuse me. that all these people spent a lot of time and it wasn't done. The only thing I would comment on it, I think, from a basic practical and time point of view. It would seem. that maybe we could have both ways where we have some sort of others working in pulling together details, and that we regularly pass on it in terms of what what needs to be done and brought much closer and that we're working much closely with it. But I think from a practical point of view, and we do have other business to do other than friendship, even though maybe, and that, you know, we are here, we're going to be here until probably one or two tonight and we'd be here until three or four if we tackled that. I'm just saying that. |
| 03:45:28.42 | Ray Withy | That's a choice you have to make, right? So the zoning ordinance, the Planning Commission worked on it for two years. |
| 03:45:30.35 | Unknown | THE CITY. |
| 03:45:30.66 | Thomas Theodores | I'm sorry. |
| 03:45:33.76 | Ray Withy | two years with additional meetings, but there wasn't a subcommittee over in the corner. that everyone wasn't worried about what they're doing. whether flawed or not, because it's always going to be flawed in somebody's mind. You powered through it for two years. And it could come to any meeting you wanted. You didn't have to worry when it was scheduled. And you took the Planning Commission, took the responsibility Hey, this is what it is. It's no fun. It's a lot of work, we hire consultants, blah, blah, blah. but. man, you're not going to get a bigger issue than this. I mean, seriously. If you want to plow into it, if you want to open this one up, open it up and go swimming. Don't make somebody else do the work. My suggestion. |
| 03:46:13.47 | Ray Withy | Well, if you remember during that housing, the housing element, it wasn't until we really wised up and went out and got a consultant where we were able to really move that forward. So, um. That's what these consultants do. And it's up to us to also bring and incorporate that in here so we can move it forward, or else you're going to just |
| 03:46:27.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:46:27.95 | Unknown | It's a... |
| 03:46:35.41 | Ray Withy | go back and forth like we're doing now, and we'll do it a year from now. |
| 03:46:39.71 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I begged to differ regarding the housing element. We made a lot of progress with liveaboards and second units and other strategies. And the first consultant, the residents came in and we got, I mean, the first consultant was released, let go. And replaced with someone new who would start to look at liveaboards. So I concur. Frankly, I mean, everyone knows that I don't, I see this as an important issue in terms of mitigating the potential for high density that triggered the traffic initiative, but I also see infrastructure throughout the town as being absolutely critical. I see the bicycle issue as being critical. I see pension reform as being critical. So I see multiple issues. I think that with the MarinShip specific plan, we should be looking at it holistically as part of the general plan so we can make that balance and get the clarity again on who owns what. |
| 03:47:45.74 | Ray Withy | Well, we can go back and forth. Why don't we just bring this to a recommendation and vote. |
| 03:47:48.92 | Ray Withy | So I move. I move to appoint a steering committee subject to the Brown Act, to be composed of five members appointed by the City Council. Two members being either former mayors or former city council members, two members being residents, one member coming from the Planning Commission, which the Planning Commission will appoint itself, and then two City Council liaisons appointed by the Mayor. If you could just pause for a second, I want to and sort of craft something that basically says that staff is going to come back with A scope. there should be an initial focus on infrastructure. |
| 03:48:45.85 | Ray Withy | And that this committee's work product reports back to the City Council, at least on... a monthly or every three meetings or some reasonable figure. That's not a very well-crafted motion, but something along those lines. If you want city council involvement, I am 100% behind that. I think that's absolutely right. But the reality is if it's just left with the city council, it ain't going to get done. |
| 03:49:22.24 | Ray Withy | It depends what you put your priorities in. That's what we're going to have later, right? |
| 03:49:24.09 | Ray Withy | Well, |
| 03:49:26.69 | Thomas Theodores | well. |
| 03:49:27.20 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:49:29.29 | Thomas Theodores | I'll second the motion, and with the emphasis that the committee will find ways to not only report to the City Council, but get involved, I think. It may... So I second. |
| 03:49:41.79 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I have a... My past observations of committees and steering committees relating to the marinship have been that they are, because they're self-selecting, the people who typically step up to volunteer Um, have some sort of special interest involved Um, You know, I mean, the outcome of all these committees has been very controversial. elected because of the outcome of Imagine Sausalito, for anyone who remembers this and remembers my brochures. So, you know, I think we're walking into a powder keg here. I think this is the wrong approach. |
| 03:50:25.63 | Ray Withy | Okay. We have a second. So, Debbie, will you call the roll? |
| 03:50:33.83 | Debbie | Councilmember Pfeiffer. |
| 03:50:35.35 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | No. |
| 03:50:37.38 | Debbie | Council member Theodore? |
| 03:50:38.48 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:50:39.98 | Debbie | Council Member Withy. |
| 03:50:40.96 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:50:42.85 | Debbie | advice, Mary Leone? |
| 03:50:43.66 | Ray Withy | No. |
| 03:50:43.99 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:50:47.98 | Debbie | Mayor Weiner. |
| 03:50:48.87 | Ray Withy | Yes. OK. |
| 03:50:58.22 | Ray Withy | The next item, which will take us up to probably 2 o'clock, Maybe. |
| 03:51:04.01 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, can we have another five minute break? |
| 03:51:05.69 | Ray Withy | No, no, no. We had that one break. We are going to buckle down and get this thing. I am not going to flip off. |
| 03:51:10.62 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | No, thank you. |
| 03:51:10.98 | Debbie | and |
| 03:51:11.20 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | All right. Thank you. |
| 03:51:11.62 | Debbie | I'll do respect. I will be right back. |
| 03:51:13.80 | Ray Withy | Okay, that's fine. Next item that we have on is the annual review of the City Council priority calendar |
| 03:51:22.89 | Greg Price | Thank you. No, no, no. |
| 03:51:24.44 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I'm not good. |
| 03:51:24.46 | Greg Price | Yeah. Peace out. |
| 03:51:53.79 | Ray Withy | Okay, let's go. Let's see who we have here. Adam, you want to start that, please? Yes. |
| 03:52:03.49 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, council members, public. and as Adam Carvazzi would say, our guests. Tonight is kind of part one and a half, moving into part two. So step one was continued. At the last meeting, we didn't conclude that step. and we are recommending that we conclude that step and then move Uh, through step two. which, could be an item that can move quickly if you so choose. The main purpose of tonight is again to hear from your public, have an opportunity to hear from folks that want to comment on items that were placed on the list. We have 50 before you in your staff report. Once we removed items at the last meeting, and even combined a few items and even separated a few items The end result... I'm sorry. resulted in 50 items for your consideration. What we were not able to do at the last meeting was to get items that the council may have thought of on their own. that they would like to be considered. So that would be the first step of tonight's process. You'll take public comment. The public may want to add items that are not on the list. Our city clerk will place those items on the screen before you. We will then take items of the Council that were not placed on the list at the last meeting and the city clerk will also place those items on the screen before you. at the conclusion of taking public comment and hearing items that the Council would like to have considered. I will ask that the mayor go one by one through them. So let's assume that we potentially have another 20 items that get added on the list, and just by a simple vote, of yay or nay, with a majority vote to approve or not approve, those items will be either redlined out or added to the list of 50. So that will be both for the public's items that are added to this list and to the Council's items that are added to this list. Obviously, the public has time to make their requests known, they can talk about, why they value and see value to their requests for your consideration. And so you allow them that time to do that. I would ask that the council in one minute or less per item that they may have on their own list try to describe and be succinct on what it is that they are recommending. And then if other council members have questions they can ask those. If not, then the items get on the list, and then we just quickly go through those with a yay or nay vote. Um, so that we can finalize the list. At the conclusion of the Council's vote, of consideration of both public and Council members' items. There'll be an agreement that this is now the list that you folks will individually and independently review. in rank. And prior to the May 21st meeting, Um, on or before May 16th You'll get your list back to the city clerk. and the City Clerk will tabulate those and present them May 21st meeting. And then that will take us to step three, which then we will review the items and then place the line on which items will be above the line and below the line, You'll again take public comment. some folks would see that their items has been ranked low and they may want to convince you to move it up. There may be council members that see that their item is ranked low and they want to convince you to move it up. Again, you'll have the opportunity to discuss those items and move them forward. Um, of the hour. I recommend that you try to limit the discussion on items that have already been discussed that have been removed. Um, and focus on items that are on the list and from what you may hear from the public tonight and from the council to be able to conclude step one, which was to actually create the list of 50. Um, and add or remove based on your own discretion. That concludes my report. |
| 03:56:51.43 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, at this time here, I'd really would rather, I'd like to hear from the public and see what they would like to see on that list. So would you please come forward and Jacques? |
| 03:57:12.73 | Jacques Ullman | Jacques Ullman, Friends of Dumpty Park. So this schematic master plan for Dumpty Park and I presented that to you a few months ago so I assume that you're all pretty familiar with what I'm talking about. Councilmember Leon unfortunately wasn't at that presentation but and I'd be happy to explain to you anytime you want. |
| 03:57:37.19 | Ray Withy | I went back and listened to that part of the meeting. Good. |
| 03:57:38.41 | Jacques Ullman | that part of the meeting. Good. Thank you. So you know the need for that schematic master plan, how it will provide a structure that incremental improvements to the park can adhere to. But in order to have an effective master plan, we feel it's very important to conduct a public forum to get input, which would then provide the base for the program which would guide this systematic master plan. Now, there are an amazingly large number of diverse special interest groups that are interested And in order to allow for a broad spectrum of input, the forum will have to be very well organized and conducted. Actually, even within our own group of the Friends of Dumpy Park, when we discuss the park, we find incredible diversity amongst us. We want to talk about the importance of sailing or the importance of the beach or the importance of habitat preservation or large events or the farmer's market and so on, I mean, we begin to argue amongst ourselves. So you can imagine what it would be like at a farm if it went well run. |
| 03:58:49.81 | Unknown | Thank you. Mm-hmm. |
| 03:59:02.16 | Jacques Ullman | So we feel that it's extremely important to have a professional person help us to prepare for this forum, to facilitate it, and also to document the input so that it's well recorded. Because in fact, there have been previous efforts and there doesn't seem to be much that was recorded in terms of public input. And even as careful as we may be, we know that there will be criticism in the future. And so therefore we want to be really careful to have conducted a very good forum and to have it well documented so that we can support what we come up with. So we interviewed, we contacted a number of people, one unfortunately eventually moved from the Bay Area, but we interviewed Pam Jones from Kearns West, who's very experienced at this sort of thing. We were very impressed with her. And she impressed upon us the importance of the preparation, almost as important as the forum itself. And then we also, tomorrow, we're going to interview Annan Patterson, and we will choose between one of those two people. Now, this will cost about $4,500. We also feel that we need to do a good outreach program. We will try to use all of the free resources that we can, like the city website and so on. But we feel we probably will have to put together a flyer and have a handout at public events and so on. So we will need some money for that as well. So we're suggesting, we're asking that we get support of about $6,000 for this effort. |
| 04:01:03.07 | Ray Withy | Thank you, John. |
| 04:01:03.69 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, if I can just comment because Jacques just reminded me. In the staff report there are several attachments. The first attachment is just a list of what the item is, the items that are listed alphabetically. The second attachment has the department head's recommendation And this item is listed under Dumpy Park. It's a broad item. but in the specific action it recommends $5,000. So there's an increase here of $1,000 based on Jock, but it is for hiring the facilitator and helping with the promotion of this workshop. So I want the council and the audience to know that it's not being added on the list because it's currently That's it. and action from the staff is recommending support of this action. |
| 04:02:00.26 | Jacques Ullman | Thank you. |
| 04:02:00.70 | Adam Politzer | where you rank it in the priority calendar when you come to the ranking will be your own individual decisions. you |
| 04:02:06.32 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 04:02:06.45 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:02:06.50 | Jeremy Graves | Thank you. |
| 04:02:06.54 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Michael. |
| 04:02:08.93 | Michael Rex | Hi, I'm Michael Rex. I want to encourage you to make sure you've got eight of these projects above the bar. The first one I want to mention is Dunphy Park Master Plan. I admire the Friends initiative here. want to encourage it. I think I'd group that with 14 a little bit. I think Cass Marina being in Daunte Park should be part of that vision and the cruising club as well, how the cruising club fits into a master plan for the park. I also see in the project description for that project that it should engage the adjacent property owners. And I think the I call them the four Ms, the property owners to the south. That's Marineways, Malik, Malia and Matt, Those sites are directly adjacent, and I think you have to imagine Dunphy Park in the context of those adjacent properties as well as Galley Harbor. to the north. I would hold off though on 37. That's the central waterfront master plan. I think the Dunphy Park plan should probably come first and it might set a pace for the whole central waterfront. |
| 04:03:30.25 | Ray Withy | Yeah, Michael, that's what you said is what the Central Waterfront Master Plan is supposed to be. |
| 04:03:30.27 | Michael Rex | Yeah. |
| 04:03:37.04 | Michael Rex | the |
| 04:03:37.31 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:03:38.73 | Michael Rex | I know, but I don't think you can look at Dunphy Park without understanding what happens to the Malia |
| 04:03:38.78 | Ray Withy | area. |
| 04:03:46.27 | Ray Withy | That's what I mean. That's the central, if you take Dunphy Park and all those properties together. |
| 04:03:49.93 | Michael Rex | Well then you probably should group 37 in with 4 and 14. Because to imagine Domfee Park without understanding those immediate properties of the south, you will have a myopic plan. |
| 04:03:54.67 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:04:03.01 | Michael Rex | Um, Marinship we already talked about, that's 36. I think that embodies 32 and 42 because those are your economic programs. I'd like you to go ahead with 48. That's the Bike and Pet Committee. If you would form an active Citizens Committee, they could pursue item 34, the ferry landing to the south. And also, pick up on the North-South Greenway planning. A lot of work went into that. We shouldn't let it sit on a shelf, rather than staff pursuing that, your bike and pet committee could pursue those projects effectively. So 48 should be above the bar. I also think 40 should be above the bar. That's your mooring field. Staff supports this. It would provide safety in our waterfront So more vessels don't come loose. It could provide revenue. It could solve some of the management of the harbor. And it also can provide some guest tie-ups. So I'd like to see 40 up there. Um, Three real simple ones. We need a green ordinance. We're way behind Marin County. There's some really good work at the county level. We don't have to start from scratch. That's 41. The Omnibus 44. It's ongoing. We've got to finish it. You promised me a year and a half ago we'd look at the nonconforming structure policies, so please do that. And two more and I'll finish. North Street steps. The hillside above Tiffany Park is a disaster. It's a liability problem. It's serious. That needs to be a high priority. And the last one. Uh, The downtown, you got three projects. The greenway between anchor and ferry. the parking lot, and the transit hub. Once again, I'll say, you shouldn't piecemeal downtown. If you're going to have those three projects, you should group them into a broad vision for downtown. I don't think it has to be a huge effort, but don't, please don't piecemeal. Improving downtown. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:06:21.87 | Ray Withy | when I agree with Michael Racks. |
| 04:06:32.17 | Nancy Osborne | Nancy Osborne again. I came up here with a new item, but I guess I'd also, before I get into that, would like to put in a good word for a couple of things that I would actually either am planning to or are already working on once the dumping park improvement Another is an age-friendly initiative. that I feel needs a lot of help. and I fall into that older group that needs it. And the other is the Ice House Plaza, which will be focused around Phil Frank. But there are really only one thing in what I think that we need to focus on most of all are those things that actually are life-threatening. to the residents of this city and I only see one thing pertaining to that and another one which slightly does. Therefore, I would I particularly like to see the disaster preparedness every time I hike in Mill Valley and see how all their steps trails and everything is focused And I have friends who've taken part in their evacuation drill where they brought people down into town. without using cars. and we have it only as number eight I think that should be number one or two, and the other one that I don't see is covered, is fire. I live close to a huge, water reservoir that could cover Marina Vista, except it's circled by eucalyptus trees on city property, and I don't know how they can access the water if burning eucalyptus are falling on it. And, uh, Cypress Ridge, the entire open space is filled with trees, And I know that I did write a late letter, so I hope you take this into consideration. Those are two things when you actually start looking at what threatens the lives of residents in this city, fire and police, and I mean fire and emergency preparedness are number one and two in my estimation. |
| 04:08:42.16 | Adam Politzer | And Mr. Mayor, I just want to point out under fire on the staff report and also in the alphabetical listing, vegetation management, specifically talks about dispensable space policy, which is fire prevention and then also the urban wildland prevention program. So those are items that would address Mrs. Osborne's concerns, if you would like to expand upon that, obviously. |
| 04:09:06.79 | Vicki Nichols | which one, I'm sorry, which one? |
| 04:09:07.00 | Adam Politzer | I'm sorry, which one? Vegetation management on your alphabetical list. or on your staff report, it's grouped in departments. |
| 04:09:16.99 | Nancy Osborne | Well, okay. I was confused because it seems to tie it in all with Southern Marin fire protection. And each time I've talked to the people there, they keep throwing it back on Caltrans. And we've tried to get to Caltrans and that hasn't worked. |
| 04:09:32.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:32.32 | Unknown | that has. |
| 04:09:32.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:35.21 | Nancy Osborne | You know, I hope you've got it. |
| 04:09:41.42 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. And I need to respond to that because it's not technically accurate with all due respect. We've had Chief Irving here, Fred Hilliard here, and Gary Glockner here on three different occasions to talk about defensible space to look at how we're managing the growth of trees around our homes. And then we had Fred Hillard here working with our public works directors specifically to look at some of the areas that you had actually indicated in your email that you had sent. on the eucalyptus groves. We also had a presentation from someone outside of our community that was looking to eradicate all eucalyptus trees along the 101 corridor. That was not obviously supported by many folks. But the discussion of how to look at fire danger that eucalyptus grow prevent, create, is something that both the Public Works Department and our Fire Prevention Officer Fred Hilliard are looking at and have presented to the Council and will continue to present to the Council. So I wanted to make sure that We recognize that it's captured in there. but we have had some start stops with the council And we got to take, you know, as we take all of these items forward, managing which the priority of them. |
| 04:11:00.77 | Chuck Donald | Okay, my turn. |
| 04:11:01.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:11:02.35 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:11:02.40 | Chuck Donald | Oh, Chuck. Chuck Donald. You were so quiet over there. I live up on Spencer Avenue, and at the risk of sounding naive, I trust the City Council to come up with a correct set of list priorities, but I would like to add a little something for Friends of Dunphy Park. |
| 04:11:02.66 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:11:02.67 | Unknown | Chuck Donald. |
| 04:11:05.46 | Ray Withy | I live with it. |
| 04:11:05.96 | Unknown | There's a question. |
| 04:11:06.42 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:11:19.50 | Chuck Donald | the cost of that is so small and it's of such broad interest to the community that I think it should be given a place on the list even although it is not the most important, has elements of that. a marineship specific plan, but it's on a small area and everything is good about it. All the proposals are good that I have heard of. It's just that you don't have room for all of them, so you have to have a master plan. So I request that that be put on there if you can at all do it. |
| 04:11:59.24 | Doreen Gunnar | Hello, you guys. |
| 04:12:01.11 | Ray Withy | Okay, meeting adjourned. Oh, stop. |
| 04:12:02.29 | Doreen Gunnar | I'm Doreen Gunnar, I live at 300 Napa Street, and I just wanted to bring it back to the beginning of this meeting. If you remember, this room was full of children and their parents, and |
| 04:12:03.41 | Ray Withy | . |
| 04:12:18.53 | Doreen Gunnar | I think, is the future of our town. We have a lot of families who are staying here, and I think that we need to And I love what's happening on the priority list about the parks, because I think it is incredibly important that we make investment in our parks. because that's what's going to keep our families here. Those are those little things that, you know, don't seem to matter. I mean, they're not life and death, and I understand, you know, where other people are talking about, but I also want to speak for the children and the families of this town, because I think that's really enriches us in ways that we can't even count. So please keep it up high on your list, and I think that'll be good for all of us. Thank you. |
| 04:13:05.25 | Stefan | Hi, I'm Stefan. Um, I own yoga at Sausawido and I was a resident here in Sausawido. Johnson Street and I'm kind of speaking for all the businesses on Caledonia Street and I would like to really number 43 to move it much higher up. We really need the support here from the city. Caledonia Street has become, you know, I've been at that. street. And now with the drivers market opening up, we have a great opportunity to live this great street, which was a street always for the locals and not for the tourists. We always are very disappointed how all this full energy goes into town towns of Slido and Caledona Street is really left behind. And we have also now this beautiful police station, a beautiful fire station, and the street which goes towards this fire station, police station, is really sad. And I'm one of the last |
| 04:13:34.48 | Unknown | which is the most important thing. the private market opening out |
| 04:14:06.81 | Stefan | retail businesses there and I'm always rethinking if this is the right move to stay here in South Sweden because Our local people, they don't come here anymore. They go to Mill Valley and they hang out there on the weekends and walk around with the children and everything. And here there's just nothing happening anymore. And I would really like to reach out to the city and I consider this very strongly. and not just me, it's all the restaurants and there's no more retailer left. They all closed down last year. So, and if we want to have some retailers back, You need to offer them something. And then when those are back, then the family is coming back. |
| 04:14:49.64 | Unknown | Hmm. |
| 04:14:50.96 | Stefan | and now it's a French school moving in This is also a great opportunity to keep them in town so we can pay taxes to you guys. that we can do much more projects. So thank you very much for hearing me. |
| 04:15:05.40 | Ray Withy | Okay, thank you. |
| 04:15:07.14 | Stefan | Of course, Dumpy Bug is also great. |
| 04:15:12.71 | Ray Withy | Okay, anybody else from the public? |
| 04:15:25.40 | John Webb | I'm John Webb. I'm owner of a property on Johnson Street as well. Throw my weight behind that same initiative, the beautification plan. The Caledonia businesses, especially the restaurants along there, have really started to have a little revitalization and bring a lot of people in, but only in limited times. And the street itself is not welcoming, partly because of all the parking tickets that people get, but really because the sidewalks that people get, but really because the sidewalks ripped up, the trees are now ripped out, the lighting is really bad. I just walked down here from my house to come to this meeting today and half the streets dark and it's like nobody's doing anything about it. |
| 04:16:04.25 | Ray Withy | Actually, we're on that one. It's a different set. Jonathan, go on for 10 minutes about that. But he's working on that for the lighting piece. OK. Well, anyway, there's a lot that we could do. |
| 04:16:04.28 | John Webb | Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, anyway, there's a lot that we could do, and it's a really minor piece, and it's a huge piece of economic development for the city I think we can do, so I think we should. Yes, thank you. |
| 04:16:21.16 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, anybody else? |
| 04:16:25.90 | Ray Withy | I think the woman from Campo, Elizabeth from Campo, was going to speak to the beautification project that she left earlier. Okay. So, yeah, I can try to. |
| 04:16:34.98 | Adam Politzer | I can comment on that. I know that Jonathan Goleman in his written description on attachment one. |
| 04:16:34.99 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 04:16:42.20 | Adam Politzer | incorporated many of the comments that she had submitted. So we have several of those comments in the description, which includes the lighting and some of the other beautification ideas, so you should have those. |
| 04:16:55.36 | Ray Withy | has someone been writing these down |
| 04:16:57.11 | Adam Politzer | All of these items so far that have been brought forward are already included. |
| 04:16:58.08 | Ray Withy | All of these are |
| 04:17:04.17 | Ray Withy | No, that's on there from when Betsy was here last time. Okay. All right. |
| 04:17:04.78 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:17:04.86 | Unknown | from |
| 04:17:05.28 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:17:05.40 | Unknown | and then, |
| 04:17:06.36 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:17:06.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:17:06.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:17:06.82 | Adam Politzer | Okay. All right. So now we would, if there are no more comments from the public, now you would move to the council's list of items that were not covered at the last meeting, which would be new items. And then our city clerk here, Debbie, will write those down. You have one minute or less to describe what the item is. And then once we have that list on the board, I would ask the mayor to go through with a yay or nay vote. |
| 04:17:07.83 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:17:08.02 | Ray Withy | So, |
| 04:17:38.80 | Ray Withy | Mr. Mayor, before we do that, I'd just like to ask the City Manager on I don't know which attachment it was, The one where... You actually indicated with a yes, no as to whether the city staff supported a particular item. I just wanted to let you know that the vegetation management, et cetera, plan that you referred to when Nancy spoke is actually not on that list, and so we don't know staff's view of that. |
| 04:18:18.39 | Adam Politzer | I will speak for the chief because he wrote the description. on the other attachment. So attachment two is the attachment that Councilmember is indicating which is the traditional form that we have used in the past years WHICH, AGAIN, IDENTIFIES THE ITEM AND THEN GIVES THE DEPARTMENT HEAD'S RECOMMENDATION BASED ON the staff's resources already staff plugged into various responsibilities which may be day-to-day responsibilities or items that are already currently on the priority calendar that we're actively working on. And so in some cases, like in community development, you'll see that it's in progress and we continue to support it. and we put potentially a dollar amount in there if there's a consultant And we may be using a consultant now, and it would be extending the consultant contract to move forward or it's a brand new item and we support it. But at the end of the day, staff will do will let it's directed by the Council. So even if we recommend no, Um. if the council thinks that this is the highest priority, for a high priority and they want to put dollars to support it. then staff will make it happen. It is important to point out that staff is here, so if there are items on that attachment. and a recommendation of yes or no, and you'd like to understand more about it, they are here to answer those questions. But for this moment before you get lost call enough staff. I would make sure that you You asked if there are new items that have not yet been identified. by council members, create that list, then go through the yay or nay if you want to keep it on there. And then if there are questions on staff's comments on attachment two, or you need additional information that wasn't provided in attachment. One, then staff is here to expand upon what has been provided to you tonight. |
| 04:20:28.42 | Ray Withy | Thank you. All right, let's go to the council and see what we want to put on that hasn't been added. |
| 04:20:37.22 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So, Mr. Mayor? Go ahead. Five-year financial planning? |
| 04:20:38.63 | Ray Withy | Go ahead. |
| 04:20:44.03 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | or I don't know how we want to state that. |
| 04:20:46.45 | Thomas Theodores | It's already on. |
| 04:20:47.38 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Really? I didn't see it. I didn't see that. |
| 04:20:47.39 | Thomas Theodores | Really? I didn't see it. I didn't see that. Yes. |
| 04:20:52.93 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I thought it was, but I couldn't find it. |
| 04:20:55.68 | Unknown | or |
| 04:20:56.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | you |
| 04:20:56.45 | Adam Politzer | Administration on page 4. |
| 04:20:56.52 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:20:59.54 | Adam Politzer | Under administration, the second item is financial planning, include five-year plan and strategies to stabilize revenues. |
| 04:21:06.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, I'll take your word for it and I'll move on. It was priority calendar number two. So maybe the next one's on there, too. Bicycle congestion mitigation and safety plan. |
| 04:21:06.80 | Adam Politzer | I'll take it. It was priority calendar number two. |
| 04:21:19.88 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | bicycle congestion mitigation and safety plans. |
| 04:21:26.29 | Linda | the other one with the bike plane. Thank you. |
| 04:21:33.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, that's different. The south, that's the south city limits to ferry, landing, pedestrian, and bike improvements. And if that's what you're referring to, and I see that as different. |
| 04:21:33.41 | Linda | Well that's different. |
| 04:21:48.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:21:48.75 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 04:21:48.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Because, okay. |
| 04:21:48.83 | Linda | Because, okay. |
| 04:21:52.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:21:54.11 | Linda | I won't get back to the ball. I'll keep them too late. I'll keep them too late. I think it's okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Anyway, let's get back to that. Go ahead. and the under-jated nine, and there's something you wanna add to it. Ready? No, I do. Go on. I'll just do that. |
| 04:22:20.69 | Ray Withy | these down. And they may be certainly covered by other things because there's so many attachments here and you were smart again to print these out and I forgot. So sometimes the electronic stuff works against you. So okay. |
| 04:22:20.71 | Linda | used. |
| 04:22:20.93 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:22:38.82 | Ray Withy | So I echo Linda's, I thought there was a South End bike study or bike study plan. Yeah, so we can revisit that and maybe phrase it differently because that's a remnant of the old. |
| 04:22:50.16 | Unknown | So... |
| 04:22:51.66 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:22:51.76 | Ray Withy | Yeah, and it could go from downtown to city limits. I think that's really where we need to focus on that. |
| 04:22:51.81 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 04:22:52.03 | Unknown | that's what we're doing. |
| 04:22:52.15 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:23:01.58 | Thomas Theodores | that South City limits the ferry landing pedestrian and land. |
| 04:23:04.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:23:04.87 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:23:05.09 | Ray Withy | Yeah, but we can rephrase it. Yeah, I mentioned that. Right. We can rephrase it. But there's a big difference. Yes, we can rephrase it. Okay. So I'm just going to throw all these out there and you guys tell me I'm crazy. |
| 04:23:05.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:23:05.21 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | to be able to get the |
| 04:23:05.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:23:06.04 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, I mentioned that. Right, we can rephrase it. But there's a big difference. |
| 04:23:18.62 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:23:18.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:23:19.66 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Well, that's a given. So this particular idea is part of the craziness then. Okay, so some folks have asked that we turn those steps that go off of Nevada up to and to name them after Amy Belzer, since they have no name. There's no designation of those. That would take some staff time and whatever. |
| 04:23:42.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:23:42.88 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:23:42.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:23:43.08 | Ray Withy | Thank you. You know, if you don't live there, you've got to go knock on some doors. |
| 04:23:47.67 | Unknown | Yeah, I don't like it. |
| 04:23:48.97 | Ray Withy | Bye. They go down to Nevada from Marin, around Harold Street. |
| 04:23:52.68 | Unknown | on her old street. |
| 04:23:53.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:23:54.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:23:54.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:23:54.57 | Unknown | that would take a look. |
| 04:23:55.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:23:56.73 | Ray Withy | It's not in their sort of normal, you know, to name a, I don't remember us naming anything about anything in quite some time. Okay. Charlie, is there, with the refinancing the side funds through other means, would that be a new project or is that within the normal day-to-day? This is a side fund for police and Okay. There you go. So we got firehouse. Two, the marine economic business incentives, I think, is covered inside. There's something about economic. Is it covered inside the economic incentives section? It was a carryover from prior years. Do you remember what? |
| 04:24:40.32 | Unknown | One that is. 2. 32. |
| 04:24:42.75 | Adam Politzer | 32. |
| 04:24:45.23 | Unknown | Yeah, it's in there. Okay. Okay. |
| 04:24:46.86 | Ray Withy | All right, so that's good. So you're knocking them down. Is the ferry landing in here as a separate item already? Because that's going to require a lot of his time. Is it in here as a separate item? Yes. It is? |
| 04:24:59.60 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:24:59.89 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 04:25:00.99 | Ray Withy | Yes. Because it wasn't on the last year, so it would have to be one of the new ones. I don't see it unless you include it in the south end, bike to ferry, blah, blah, blah. |
| 04:25:11.22 | Adam Politzer | I mean, Um, downtown parking plan, downtown transit hub and traffic circulation master plan. |
| 04:25:18.37 | Ray Withy | Yeah, that's a different one altogether. But I think Michael has a good point there, but let's get back to that one. So can we put the ferry project as a separate? |
| 04:25:25.05 | Adam Politzer | So we define transit hub a little bit different. We look at the ferry, the bicycles, the parking lots, the buses, the public transportation. So the $4.2 million that we are receiving from the grant |
| 04:25:31.53 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:25:38.40 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:25:42.94 | Adam Politzer | would cover the entire downtown parking and circulation plan. |
| 04:25:47.61 | Ray Withy | So why don't we call that, instead of whatever it was just phrased, as the downtown transit and... Transit, what did you just say? Transit, there's some other categories, but master plan and capital improvements, okay? Because we have money behind it. And so we'll incorporate some of the stuff that's been done already in the downtown that Peter and Michael worked on before and all the parking and striping is do it in one big shebang, get it done, you do it right underneath the planning document, not just a bunch of things. |
| 04:26:23.20 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, you're saying reword this item, and that's fine. Let's go to the new item. |
| 04:26:25.36 | Ray Withy | Yes. All right. All right, I'm just going. And Jeremy, the local register stuff's on here, right? The local register for the marineship stuff. How about the local register to go to the next, if we're taking the local register and trying to take it into, What were we trying to, what was it, that's all, all that stuff's in here. The historic overlay. Okay, the downtown historic district taking that is, okay, that's in here. Okay, good. Got that. Green building code is in there. Michael gave his pitch. I'm for that. Oh, okay. Zone of influence. So 94965 parking. |
| 04:27:07.57 | Ray Withy | free. Same thing if you live in 9496566, you got a mailbox. That's going to take some staff time. Can we put that on the list to consider? Okay. Got the mooring field. |
| 04:27:20.92 | Adam Krivacsi | of the morning field. The Pressure to yourself. |
| 04:27:22.50 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Waterfront facilities. And that's the, I think Peter came last meeting. It's something we need to work with the county and Ritter House and all that kind of stuff. |
| 04:27:23.08 | Adam Krivacsi | Yes. |
| 04:27:36.39 | Ray Withy | Romanowski, but he, whether Peter or not, he does represent some folks, or there are a number of folks who would like to see that happen. Can we just stick that on the list so you guys can vote it down later? |
| 04:27:47.11 | Unknown | Is that the one with Des Moines or is it the other? |
| 04:27:50.41 | Ray Withy | It's just, hey, I live in a boat. I want to take a shower. |
| 04:27:55.06 | Unknown | No, I know what it is. It's a milk issue. It's a morning. |
| 04:27:56.22 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 04:27:56.62 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. you |
| 04:27:58.13 | Ray Withy | No, that's a totally separate thing. Thank you. |
| 04:27:59.92 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | He's referring to the anchor else, I think. |
| 04:28:01.06 | Ray Withy | I think. I know, but it's just it would be, okay. Dingy dock, Turning Street ramp. We need to put some money into that so people can actually use it. |
| 04:28:10.06 | Ray Withy | I'd like to see as we move that 15-minute sign. |
| 04:28:12.67 | Ray Withy | or whatever the right, you know, that's a... Right, the guys, people can't dock, and people are leaving their boats there overnight, blah, blah, blah, all the other stuff. The problems that we had with all that and the Turning Street boat stuff. It's a special project. It's not on here, but we know it's a problem. It's been a problem since the guy abandoned Edgewater Yacht. Guy abandoned it. |
| 04:28:34.96 | Ray Withy | Okay, let's get that. Let's get that. You have that. You got this. Tree grates. It's not a big project, Johnny. Can we get some tree grates to cover those cement things downtown so I don't sprain my ankle? That's part of the beautification. Okay, beautify it. But that's not... That's not... ADA access. Okay, ADA access. I like that. Okay. You're on the roll. I am. Can we break out the wildfire piece as a separate piece from... Because we've been chugging along on the defensible home, whatever. That goes nowhere. Can we break out the wildfire piece as a separate piece from, because we've been chugging along on the defensible home, whatever, that goes nowhere, right? So can we break that as a separate piece, defensible home over here, and then urban wildfire as a totally separate, let's pick those two pieces. |
| 04:28:49.73 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 04:28:49.95 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:28:51.28 | Unknown | That's not a. |
| 04:28:59.09 | Unknown | I am. |
| 04:29:09.20 | Unknown | Yes. When we break |
| 04:29:19.33 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:29:20.97 | Ray Withy | Because that way we'll make it somewhere or something. |
| 04:29:22.84 | Adam Politzer | At some point it probably got actually consolidated into one |
| 04:29:25.35 | Ray Withy | Right. It probably will consolidate it again tonight, but let's break it apart. And can we, the disaster preparedness one that's number eight or whatever it, I don't know what number |
| 04:29:26.11 | Adam Politzer | I'm sorry. |
| 04:29:39.24 | Ray Withy | Okay. Okay. So, Can we? Okay, so I want to break this apart from what Bill does, because Bill's got enough to do, Bill Frost, right? Can we break this apart where we actually consider whether we should... hire someone to take all these things to the next step that he can't do, which is the community outreach, the steps, planning, all this other stuff. Can we make that a separate item from His... Okay, so let's rephrase this. |
| 04:30:14.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:30:15.67 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I'm going down my list, man. I'm just going down my list, man. I know. I'm telling you. I'm telling you that I'm just going down my list. Just bear with me here. Bear with me. I'm going off it all. |
| 04:30:17.29 | Unknown | I'm going down on my list. |
| 04:30:26.00 | Unknown | Oh, no. |
| 04:30:28.08 | Ray Withy | I'm under, yeah. |
| 04:30:28.97 | Unknown | Look, you're beating me down. Don't forget that your job can be under review. We just talked about it at night. Yeah, seriously. Take it to heart. |
| 04:30:36.87 | Ray Withy | Yes. Seriously. And did we have the North Street steps? And not that I, you know, it is my neighborhood, so I'm not going to, but that is a problem. And that's, but that should fall under the steps thing. The steps one. |
| 04:30:52.80 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Do, do, don't we have a genu- |
| 04:30:54.52 | Ray Withy | I thought we did, but we haven't given any money. |
| 04:30:55.47 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | If we don't, we should put it back because we need something around the steps. |
| 04:31:00.97 | Ray Withy | We did at one point. I don't know if it's a separate one now. |
| 04:31:04.43 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | We also had one about the roads. |
| 04:31:06.59 | Ray Withy | Yeah, but the roads we're considering is a top priority in the day-to-day job for Jonathan and his department. But the steps we don't allocate money to at the moment. Okay, I'm done. Don't go yet, Peter. |
| 04:31:21.37 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have one more, which is tree preservation and replacement plan. I've received feedback from a couple residents that |
| 04:31:22.47 | Unknown | or, |
| 04:31:32.61 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Trees seem to be being chopped down around you know, different areas in the city and not replaced, and things are starting to look barren and very sad. And to a certain extent, that kind of, I think, blurs into the beautification with Caledonia Street, but this person was referring, or both these people were referring to like the town as a whole, collectively, that trees seem to be disappearing. |
| 04:32:09.29 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | They're being chopped down. They're being chopped down and not replaced. No, I mean... |
| 04:32:09.51 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:32:14.03 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 04:32:14.12 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:32:14.32 | Adam Politzer | and not replay. So there are two items. One is new. |
| 04:32:17.31 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Those |
| 04:32:22.15 | Adam Politzer | on revise the protected and undesirable tree list. So that's a new item that came from the Trees and Views Committee. And then the old item which was item 35 which we recommended that continues. trees and views and update their regulations and enforcement and the update of regulations could include a discussion on a policy of when trees are removed. some requirement of replacing them Uh, private property owners, or when the city removes trees that are unhealthy, or have fallen down on their own. then we have to budget for replacement. So that could be... policy discussion. on how to move forward on that. So I would claim that those two items are covered based on the trees and views committee's recommendation. |
| 04:33:12.46 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I think that the policy though, I think that that seems kind of long term and it can kind of get lost. I think that my preference is to put a spotlight on it as a separate item, tree preservation and replacement. |
| 04:33:29.16 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 04:33:29.37 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And we all... Yeah, go ahead. |
| 04:33:31.81 | Thomas Theodores | I would also mention, I think the Trees and Views Committee does not have purview over what Public Works does with trees. I believe so. They are separate issues. |
| 04:33:42.34 | Adam Politzer | That's correct, but there's a discussion that there should be some involvement from the Trees and Views Committee on trees on public. right away. That's at the council's discretion. but I think what the overall discussion in the community has been is that it doesn't seem to be a policy I don't have any problem with what Councilmember Pfeiffer is recommending. You folks will rank that. Ultimately, it comes down to the budget. If you decide that you want to have a policy to replace trees Sooner. or larger type of tree. so that they mature more quickly. That's ultimately will then eventually be a budget question for you folks. So there's no problem adding the item. |
| 04:34:28.09 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So tree preservation and replacement. plan. |
| 04:34:47.83 | Adam Politzer | Now the mayor gets the fun task of going yay and nay, go one through seven. And you need at least three votes for it to be moved over to the list of 50. |
| 04:35:03.38 | Ray Withy | and I oppose it to the truth. Thank you. Storm drain study, is that day to day or that? like what's the problem? |
| 04:35:14.23 | Jonathon Goldman | That's, yeah. It's in the budget and in procurement. So I would argue that it's day to day at this point. |
| 04:35:14.29 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:35:15.49 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 04:35:15.78 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:35:15.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 04:35:17.11 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:35:17.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:35:23.96 | Linda | Okay, in the park, in the park. |
| 04:35:26.04 | Adam Politzer | study. |
| 04:35:26.98 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:35:27.03 | Adam Politzer | that's in here. |
| 04:35:30.93 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'm sorry, do we have playgrounds? |
| 04:35:32.94 | Adam Politzer | Yes, and of course. |
| 04:35:33.68 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Is that something? |
| 04:35:35.25 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. So is it on the |
| 04:35:36.22 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So, Thank you. |
| 04:35:37.03 | Adam Politzer | There's three items, yes. |
| 04:35:39.17 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay. |
| 04:35:43.03 | Ray Withy | You ready to tackle these seven items? Ray, do you have any? |
| 04:35:46.59 | Ray Withy | No, I don't have anything. I mean, considering this has just been put forth, why don't we just move them all over and let them be prioritized? |
| 04:35:49.33 | Ray Withy | INSIDE. |
| 04:35:55.28 | Unknown | There aren't that many there. |
| 04:35:59.11 | Ray Withy | You can do that if you feel comfortable with that. All right. Move them over. |
| 04:35:59.23 | Unknown | You can do that if you're Thank you. |
| 04:36:05.04 | Ray Withy | Well, I |
| 04:36:05.75 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, I don't agree with the 94965 free parking, no. |
| 04:36:12.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:13.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:36:13.05 | Ray Withy | or the shower facilities for the |
| 04:36:14.00 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | or the shower facilities for the waterfront. |
| 04:36:16.36 | Ray Withy | So, |
| 04:36:17.74 | Ray Withy | Yeah, let's look, we're going to put them all on there. That's it. Yeah, you can just roll it over. |
| 04:36:22.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:22.67 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:36:22.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:23.33 | Ray Withy | Okay, I move. |
| 04:36:23.84 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, I move for that. I move to remove the 94965 free parking from this list. |
| 04:36:34.62 | Ray Withy | You want time for lunch and you're recording it on the list. Not that you liked it, not that you wanted it. Leave it on. Liz, Liz. There you go. |
| 04:36:40.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:40.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:40.66 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:36:40.74 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:36:40.76 | Unknown | to the |
| 04:36:40.90 | Ray Withy | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:36:40.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:41.06 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:36:41.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:41.13 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:36:41.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:41.30 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:36:43.22 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:36:43.43 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:36:43.46 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:36:43.65 | Ray Withy | Put them on. |
| 04:36:43.78 | Ray Withy | the |
| 04:36:43.93 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 04:36:44.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:44.29 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I want a roll call vote. |
| 04:36:45.86 | Ray Withy | I don't know. |
| 04:36:46.09 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I made a motion. |
| 04:36:46.21 | Ray Withy | I made a Go ahead. You get a second? Excuse me. |
| 04:36:50.28 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I don't need a second. |
| 04:36:51.51 | Ray Withy | Oh, yeah. It's all about that. |
| 04:36:53.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Take that. |
| 04:36:53.17 | Ray Withy | take . you Thank you. |
| 04:36:54.36 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:36:54.48 | Unknown | Oh, |
| 04:36:54.72 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:36:54.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:55.09 | Thomas Theodores | Well, what did we vote? |
| 04:36:56.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | We are voting the 94965 with incredible cost to the city. |
| 04:36:56.79 | Ray Withy | We're not. |
| 04:36:56.98 | Unknown | We are voting. |
| 04:36:57.74 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 04:36:58.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:58.31 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:36:58.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:58.38 | Thomas Theodores | and put them in the car. |
| 04:36:59.75 | Unknown | Easy. |
| 04:36:59.97 | Thomas Theodores | side of the |
| 04:37:00.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:37:03.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | and it just makes absolutely no sense. And if Plan Bay Area happens with the urbanization of Marin City, we're looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost parking revenue. It's insane. We're all moving out of town. Okay. Roll call vote, please. |
| 04:37:13.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:37:13.85 | Ray Withy | It's a dog. It's insane. |
| 04:37:19.27 | Debbie | Please. member Fyker. |
| 04:37:20.79 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | No, yes. Sorry, yes. Remove it from the list. |
| 04:37:24.96 | Debbie | Council Member Theodorus. No, keep it on. Council Member Withee. No. Vice Mayor Leon. |
| 04:37:30.95 | Ray Withy | No. |
| 04:37:32.80 | Debbie | Mayor Weiner. |
| 04:37:34.41 | Ray Withy | No. |
| 04:37:35.23 | Debbie | . |
| 04:37:35.60 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, so they're all on the list. |
| 04:37:41.11 | Adam Politzer | 57. 57 items. And you folks will approve that that is your revised list. That's your priority list. And that you will individually rank those and return them to the City Clerk by May 16th. |
| 04:37:41.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:37:41.31 | Unknown | 57. |
| 04:37:48.23 | Ray Withy | That's good, probably. |
| 04:37:55.84 | Ray Withy | So hold on. So go back to this, to about this page. He's got 50 points, right? Right. So I think there's some of these we can maybe take off or rephrase if you want to go through that exercise. But if you don't, we can make it. |
| 04:38:01.53 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:38:01.54 | Unknown | Right. Navy. consolidate. |
| 04:38:08.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:38:08.66 | Ray Withy | No, it's... That's up to you guys. You know how you laugh at 12 o'clock. You can also do that on May 21st. |
| 04:38:13.25 | Adam Politzer | You can also do that on May 21st after you rank them, unless there's some obvious ones that you want to follow. |
| 04:38:15.97 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:38:16.24 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. I'm not. Well, I think we should because we could have problems. I mean, this is important how we rank these things. |
| 04:38:25.28 | Ray Withy | Yeah, but... |
| 04:38:28.47 | Adam Politzer | We have the alphabetical list here. |
| 04:38:40.83 | Adam Politzer | This would be up to him now that you have it in your... Yes, unfortunately it's great. |
| 04:38:47.21 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So maybe we need to work from the screen to make it simple for city staff, just work from the screen. |
| 04:38:48.27 | Adam Politzer | work from the screen. |
| 04:38:49.25 | Adam Krivacsi | I mean, |
| 04:38:49.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:38:49.70 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 04:38:54.46 | Linda | It's still alphabetical. |
| 04:39:01.25 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, my list isn't numbered. |
| 04:39:03.20 | Linda | No, no, no, no, |
| 04:39:05.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:07.96 | Linda | Thank you. We have a budget. |
| 04:39:08.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:08.79 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:39:08.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:08.99 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:39:09.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:09.08 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Oh yeah. Thank you. |
| 04:39:14.04 | Linda | I would say prepare time and action for the committee and the committee to prepare for the committee and the committee to prepare for that in the context of the city council. |
| 04:39:25.83 | Adam Politzer | I think the sustainability commission has been working on it and we had a presentation from the JPA. |
| 04:39:29.16 | Linda | you |
| 04:39:29.22 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:39:29.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:30.73 | Linda | Okay. the equity |
| 04:39:34.00 | Adam Politzer | and the Marin County hazardous and solid waste |
| 04:39:37.97 | Linda | So let's paint it. All right, let's do that in the middle. You want me to look at the |
| 04:39:45.24 | Darren Joy | Thank you. |
| 04:39:45.29 | Ray Withy | You want me to go back down the list? Is that it? |
| 04:39:46.03 | Darren Joy | Mr. President. No, you don't have to. Okay. I'm going to have something to... |
| 04:39:51.53 | Ray Withy | Take, add in, or I should say remove. Anybody have any other that's on this list to remove? |
| 04:39:51.79 | Darren Joy | and take |
| 04:40:00.58 | Adam Politzer | Yes, so Jonathan Leon, Councilmember Leon, you wanted to, on the board there, number 16, you wanted to change that language, the downtown transit hub. and traffic circulation master plan. |
| 04:40:12.88 | Unknown | You know, there's a... |
| 04:40:13.20 | Adam Politzer | That's what it is. |
| 04:40:14.10 | Ray Withy | Male Speaker 1 But it's not just traffic circulation, it's |
| 04:40:17.03 | Adam Politzer | Parking. |
| 04:40:17.69 | Ray Withy | Did Michael leave or is he still here? Michael, how did you, what do you think, see this number 16, to phrase this to include what you had in mind? |
| 04:40:19.75 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 04:40:26.62 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Initially, they called it a downtown master plan. |
| 04:40:29.22 | Ray Withy | Right. Sorry to grab you. Well, not physically. Number 16 there, how do we make that incorporate where you are going to as well as what it says here? |
| 04:40:34.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:40:39.58 | Ray Withy | incorporating the plan downtown. |
| 04:40:41.45 | Michael Rex | Well, calling it a downtown master plan might be scary, but just saying comprehensive improvement, downtown improvement plans for transportation might be... |
| 04:40:47.15 | Ray Withy | Trans. |
| 04:40:54.81 | Ray Withy | I just call it a transportation hub, and that's what it is. |
| 04:40:57.90 | Michael Rex | It is transportation. Comprehensive transportation, improvements, and that. |
| 04:40:59.54 | Ray Withy | Yeah, but I'm just a... Thank you. |
| 04:41:03.46 | Ray Withy | All right, how about we call it the downtown transportation |
| 04:41:09.88 | Ray Withy | circulation and... |
| 04:41:11.10 | Ray Withy | Parking and circulation. and capital improvements, because that's going to be a part of the statutory. |
| 04:41:23.13 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 04:41:23.15 | Ray Withy | Okay. Yeah, you can see. |
| 04:41:24.90 | Ray Withy | We have anybody else that wants to take something off this list? |
| 04:41:24.92 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 04:41:25.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:29.53 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:41:29.54 | Adam Politzer | that off to you. |
| 04:41:30.56 | Ray Withy | Combine or clarify. Oh, combine. All right. The one thing that I think you combined last time was the local economic development incentives program. |
| 04:41:30.79 | Adam Politzer | online or Clare. |
| 04:41:47.09 | Ray Withy | And the when I find it, the economic development study. That was combined last year. |
| 04:41:55.35 | Unknown | Thank you. So... 18 and 27. |
| 04:42:00.88 | Ray Withy | and there's the second phase of the economic development study of which a result might be an incentive program, right? So you put... |
| 04:42:10.53 | Ray Withy | That's right. Do you want to combine or do you want to separate? |
| 04:42:13.92 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I, oh, go ahead. |
| 04:42:15.90 | Thomas Theodores | I would say combine it. I think that one is part of the other. |
| 04:42:20.02 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | See, I really disagree. 18 involved a lot of recommendations with respect to the Marinship that, I mean, they really kind of colored outside the lines on that, whereas 27, is more is a broader It looked at the entire town, including downtown and Caledonia Street. |
| 04:42:44.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:44.40 | Ray Withy | on. |
| 04:42:44.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:47.32 | Ray Withy | So why don't we, for purpose of clarity, District 27, if we, I don't know, designated businesses, if we remove that and just put art and maritime businesses, we can probably all agree on that one as a little bit clearer, and then leave the economic study that's going to tackle green or whatever initiatives that come out. |
| 04:43:08.36 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 04:43:09.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:09.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:43:09.34 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 04:43:09.68 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. That's okay. First floor. |
| 04:43:14.61 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So now we're turning 27 into specifically focused on the Marinship. |
| 04:43:20.77 | Unknown | you |
| 04:43:20.92 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 04:43:21.09 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:22.01 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | by Maritime |
| 04:43:22.24 | Linda | Maritime. |
| 04:43:23.60 | Ray Withy | you could be. |
| 04:43:23.97 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 04:43:24.02 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:24.31 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 04:43:24.33 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:24.36 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Anywhere? Maritime and Arts, did I hear? |
| 04:43:24.43 | Ray Withy | and the other side. |
| 04:43:24.58 | Linda | . |
| 04:43:24.61 | Ray Withy | . |
| 04:43:24.70 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 04:43:24.72 | Ray Withy | Anywhere? |
| 04:43:25.04 | Linda | Okay. |
| 04:43:27.58 | Ray Withy | You can put ours in there. God bless. We can deal with it when we get there. |
| 04:43:28.02 | Unknown | No. |
| 04:43:33.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:43:33.59 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 04:43:34.79 | Ray Withy | This Unicone Amendment lowering the threshold for undergrounding of overhead utility. Did we go through this process? |
| 04:43:39.97 | Darren Joy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:40.00 | Ray Withy | Mary. |
| 04:43:42.08 | Darren Joy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:42.18 | Unknown | you |
| 04:43:42.23 | Darren Joy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:42.25 | Unknown | you |
| 04:43:42.32 | Darren Joy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:43:42.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:43:42.74 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:42.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:43:42.77 | Ray Withy | Anyway. |
| 04:43:42.79 | Unknown | I know I asked you about this before. Do you want to go ahead? I believe it was- This is the solar state law thing. Is this right? |
| 04:43:44.54 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:43:44.58 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:43:45.56 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 04:43:45.57 | Mary Wagner | I believe it was No, it's different. And it came to the legislative committee for one meeting, I believe, and didn't move forward out of there. |
| 04:43:48.59 | Unknown | to get started. |
| 04:43:48.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:43:48.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:43:48.86 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:43:55.95 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:43:55.97 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 04:43:56.47 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Goldman may have more to add to that, though. |
| 04:43:56.53 | Ray Withy | Mr. Goldberg. No, we can leave it there. You need it. He sounds like he needs it. You know what I mean? |
| 04:44:02.74 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:44:02.77 | Ray Withy | He needs to sit down. Thank you. |
| 04:44:05.06 | Ray Withy | I believe it came from the underground utility committee. To lower the threshold. I believe so. |
| 04:44:05.10 | Mary Wagner | I believe it came from the underground utility committee. To lower the threshold. I believe so. |
| 04:44:11.51 | Ray Withy | He just raised the threshold not so long ago, so it wasn't his own resurrection. Thank you. |
| 04:44:16.62 | Mary Wagner | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:44:16.76 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:44:16.83 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:44:16.88 | Ray Withy | FIGHTING. |
| 04:44:17.25 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Yeah, clarified when. They wouldn't. |
| 04:44:21.77 | Ray Withy | Okay. You want to keep that in? All right. I don't care. |
| 04:44:24.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:44:25.65 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. We're separating number 47, vegetation management. Go right. That's both space, urban, wildland, and urban. Thank you. |
| 04:44:37.73 | Ray Withy | Okay. And you and I, there was another one I just read, which was the disaster preparedness bullet points. You could break those into that in two pieces. two pieces, excuse me. |
| 04:44:56.68 | Ray Withy | Yeah, why don't we separate community disaster preparedness drill and evacuation maps into a separate project? That's much more sort of outwardly focused. And then it's kind of more along the lines what you did that one time. And then keep the rest of it, kind of the general concept, as a separate one. |
| 04:45:17.36 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I agree. I think that's a good idea. |
| 04:45:19.77 | Ray Withy | So anyway, we need to get somebody outside to help us with that one because it's just too big for Bill to do on his own. |
| 04:45:27.92 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you Mapping the stairs and Nancy's comments. |
| 04:45:30.05 | Ray Withy | Yeah. is that it's community Okay, no, you want to... |
| 04:45:42.53 | Ray Withy | disaster evacuation routes and community disaster preparedness drill. Make that separate. |
| 04:45:56.32 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:46:00.46 | Ray Withy | It's the map. What do I do if there is a disaster? And let's run a drill for it. It's a very separate little small thing, and then we can do the rest of the stuff going forward. |
| 04:46:17.92 | Ray Withy | Do you know your shirt glows when it's blue, the blue light looks like? No, she's got the UI and the laptop on. |
| 04:46:20.79 | Ray Withy | It's like, Thank you. |
| 04:46:23.22 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:46:23.24 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:46:23.25 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I know that much. I'm not that crazy. What did you need, Chief? You needed something? No, she wants to go home. |
| 04:46:29.26 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | . |
| 04:46:29.67 | Adam Politzer | No. |
| 04:46:29.73 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. She wants a front row seat. |
| 04:46:33.82 | Ray Withy | This is your shot. |
| 04:46:34.78 | Linda | . |
| 04:46:35.15 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 04:46:35.17 | Linda | Yeah. |
| 04:46:36.03 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry. |
| 04:46:36.31 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 04:46:36.33 | Ray Withy | All right. |
| 04:46:39.38 | Linda | That's it for me. |
| 04:46:41.95 | Ray Withy | Okay. Adam. |
| 04:46:47.30 | Unknown | Thank you. So let's go back to answer 12 becomes the... |
| 04:46:56.02 | Adam Politzer | Awareness Day by itself. |
| 04:46:58.12 | Ray Withy | No, get rid of the awareness, Jay. |
| 04:47:00.17 | Adam Politzer | You don't want that as a phone item? |
| 04:47:01.93 | Ray Withy | Somebody can decide what to do with that, whether it's a day or a week or every month, I don't care. But they've done it in the past. |
| 04:47:07.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:47:07.62 | Unknown | They've done it in the past. Yeah. |
| 04:47:08.97 | Ray Withy | Yeah, right. So I'm saying we don't need to do that. Don't delete the whole thing, Debbie. |
| 04:47:17.07 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 04:47:17.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:47:17.20 | Debbie | I'm not. |
| 04:47:18.32 | Darren Joy | Thank you. |
| 04:47:18.35 | Ray Withy | It's all blue. |
| 04:47:22.42 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I think you're saying, Jonathan, if I may, just one is disaster preparedness program and the other is evacuation routes and maps. |
| 04:47:31.97 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:47:32.31 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. So the 12 is disaster preparedness program, period. Perfect. Great. |
| 04:47:45.87 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Perfect. And the next one is disaster, well, evacuation routes and maps. |
| 04:47:52.52 | Ray Withy | Right, so just get rid of the disaster evacuation. Get rid of preparedness program. |
| 04:47:57.85 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Great. |
| 04:48:00.49 | Ray Withy | There you go. I know you can clean it up. |
| 04:48:05.55 | Ray Withy | And so then this list incorporates all the stuff from the commissions. already, right? That staff supported? Yes. |
| 04:48:24.33 | Adam Politzer | It's important to note that you got late mail from HLB, from the chair of HLB, reiterating their priority for their three items. So as you're ranking it, if you would like to consider their letter, their email, that may help you in the ranking. |
| 04:48:38.40 | Unknown | No. |
| 04:48:43.11 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Is there a doctor in the house? |
| 04:48:51.45 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Did I message us? |
| 04:48:51.48 | Justine Prestwich | Thank you. |
| 04:48:51.62 | Unknown | I miss a joke. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:49:09.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:49:11.72 | Adam Politzer | So that's it. You guys agree that you have 59 items that you will rank? |
| 04:49:21.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 04:49:23.97 | Ray Withy | you |
| 04:49:25.97 | Unknown | you |
| 04:49:26.16 | Ray Withy | No. |
| 04:49:32.29 | Linda | So... |
| 04:49:36.47 | Ray Withy | I forget your name, but you came. Did you want anything? |
| 04:49:42.26 | Unknown | He's driving up. |
| 04:49:42.34 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:49:43.44 | Linda | . |
| 04:49:43.69 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:49:43.81 | Linda | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:49:47.59 | Unknown | He wanted better guys. |
| 04:49:50.98 | Adam Politzer | So Mr. Mayor, there needs to be a motion to accept the list of 59. |
| 04:49:53.97 | Thomas Theodores | up the list. you On a disaster, we did leave there a day for us. |
| 04:49:59.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:49:59.42 | Adam Politzer | You took the day off. |
| 04:50:00.60 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, we did a couple. |
| 04:50:02.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:50:02.09 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:50:02.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:50:02.32 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 04:50:02.66 | Unknown | I'm just getting too late. |
| 04:50:03.03 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:50:03.13 | Ray Withy | Leave that under disaster preparedness program and day. Just put the day there so those get upset. |
| 04:50:03.99 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 04:50:04.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:50:08.97 | Unknown | Yeah. You took it off. |
| 04:50:10.54 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:50:10.58 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 04:50:10.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:50:10.90 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I took out the other one. So put it up there. |
| 04:50:13.49 | Unknown | Thank you, Betsy, for staying. |
| 04:50:13.51 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Betsy, for staying. |
| 04:50:14.96 | Linda | That's a big thing for them. Yes, it is. |
| 04:50:14.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:50:17.87 | Ray Withy | All right, okay, so now we have 59 items. We're approving the 59 items so we can- And agreeing to rank these- |
| 04:50:23.11 | Adam Politzer | 15. And agreeing to rank these by May 16th, return it to the city clerk by May 16th. |
| 04:50:27.55 | Ray Withy | By May 16th. |
| 04:50:28.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:50:32.01 | Ray Withy | Yes, sir. Can I ask a question? |
| 04:50:32.18 | Adam Politzer | Nice. |
| 04:50:35.55 | Ray Withy | Now, are you going to send out a list |
| 04:50:38.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:50:42.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:50:42.45 | Ray Withy | So we don't, yeah, so you're gonna send us materials. For the 59. |
| 04:50:42.49 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:50:47.72 | Adam Politzer | And what is important here, and thank you for asking the question, what's important here is that The item that you consider your highest, your personal highest priority, would be ranked number 59. |
| 04:50:57.56 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 04:50:57.59 | Linda | I've heard of him. |
| 04:51:00.91 | Adam Politzer | the item that you feel is your lowest priority be ranked number one. |
| 04:51:07.06 | Ray Withy | You didn't agree like that. |
| 04:51:07.90 | Unknown | You didn't agree like this. |
| 04:51:10.13 | Adam Politzer | The city clerk will check to make sure that you have 1 through 59 and not slip in a few 57s and 22s. |
| 04:51:10.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:51:17.67 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:51:17.72 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 04:51:17.94 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:51:18.04 | Unknown | 22. |
| 04:51:18.67 | Thomas Theodores | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:51:18.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:51:19.90 | Thomas Theodores | And when is that, when will we get the list and when do we have to have our responses? |
| 04:51:23.85 | Adam Politzer | We'll provide this at the Council meeting on the 21st. So your response, you'll get the list in the next 24 hours or less. |
| 04:51:29.96 | Ray Withy | but we'll win. . |
| 04:51:34.21 | Unknown | Or less. |
| 04:51:35.07 | Ray Withy | Oh, wait, you might be able to say that in about five minutes. We'll get it today. |
| 04:51:39.07 | Unknown | We'll get it to the next. |
| 04:51:40.00 | Adam Politzer | Yes. |
| 04:51:40.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:51:40.97 | Adam Politzer | Again, then. |
| 04:51:41.72 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:51:41.74 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:51:41.89 | Ray Withy | to. |
| 04:51:41.94 | Adam Politzer | is what I meant. |
| 04:51:42.98 | Ray Withy | Charlie, Mike, Joe, me. |
| 04:51:44.69 | Adam Politzer | But you obviously have 50 of them right in, you know, currently, so you can start. |
| 04:51:50.46 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:51:50.56 | Unknown | like now. |
| 04:51:52.58 | Adam Politzer | and then the additional nine |
| 04:51:54.80 | Unknown | Where's the library? |
| 04:51:55.74 | Adam Politzer | Most of them came out of there. |
| 04:51:56.87 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 04:51:57.82 | Adam Politzer | They completed their one list which was take care of it and then they do their own priority list and take care of it on their own through the budget process. |
| 04:51:57.90 | Unknown | that. |
| 04:52:06.59 | Ray Withy | All right. |
| 04:52:07.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:52:08.09 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 04:52:10.49 | Thomas Theodores | And we get... And it's due when? May 16th. And we email those. |
| 04:52:12.31 | Ray Withy | May 16th. |
| 04:52:15.15 | Adam Politzer | Yes. |
| 04:52:15.86 | Ray Withy | All right. Did we get approval or motion? Are we done? All in favor. I didn't hear it all in favor. Aye. Charlie, Mike, Jeremy, Jennifer, Jonathan, thank you very much for putting up with us tonight. Thank you. |
| 04:52:20.24 | Adam Politzer | All in favor. I didn't hear an all in favor. Thank you for coming. |
| 04:52:25.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:52:30.65 | Unknown | Thank you. Nice clothes. |
| 04:52:34.38 | Ray Withy | The check's in the mail. |
| 04:52:36.26 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 04:52:36.49 | Ray Withy | I'm not. |
| 04:52:37.83 | Unknown | Thank you. General. Thank you. |
| 04:52:40.53 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:52:40.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:52:42.91 | Ray Withy | Okay, City Manager. |
| 04:52:44.04 | Adam Politzer | You're welcome. |
| 04:52:44.38 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 04:52:44.49 | Unknown | I'm not invited or anything. |
| 04:52:44.54 | Ray Withy | I don't know. |
| 04:52:46.81 | Adam Politzer | one item that I'll speak on if you have questions, I'm happy to answer. on Friday. At 8.30, we will be meeting at the fire station number one here on Caledonia and Johnson. to do our strategic planning session. Uh, Michelle Murphy. who has been facilitating this, has been reaching out to both staff and Councilmembers, to get your feedback and input. and we are planning a very robust discussion and meeting. This Friday. And one of the transitions that we're moving away from is the back to the basics to building on the future and planning for the future. So there'll be a transition on how we move from the last four years where staff has been driving this discussion. to now returning it back to the Council to help drive the vision. of what the future looks like. for the council members to talk about their vision. And at the end of the day, it's our intent to create a a five-year calendar that looks at some of the milestones that we need to reach as we look into the future. and it could still continue to have items that are back to the basic items like we would like to be 100% of our streets paved, including all of the concrete streets, and how will we get there because it will probably take us all five years. Items that are on the priority calendar will be discussed, like asset management. How are we going to look at all of these assets from storm drains to sewers to roads to parks and make sure that we have a plan that gets these things addressed within that five year period of time if at all possible. So one of the key things that I wanted to make sure that you folks gave a little bit of time for and for or at least three of you who just recently ran You talked about your vision in those campaigns. You talked about the vision of Sausalito. Thank you. So I'm hoping that you can go back to those notes and and pull some of that information forward and we'll give each of you the opportunity, like we've done in the past with the staff, to talk about where we are, where we're going, and where we've been. We're not going to do that this time. We're going to really focus on what your vision is At the very beginning, we're going to talk about some of the highlights from the past five years that staff and the departments have accomplished But really the vision moving forward is what this focus is going to be on. and I look forward to your participation and staff's involvement in helping to look at this vision as we plan for the future. |
| 04:55:35.69 | Ray Withy | that I missed? Nope. Because I'm going through my email. The only thing I have is the one you sent yesterday. Thank you. |
| 04:55:42.03 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:55:42.15 | Ray Withy | It says strategic. |
| 04:55:43.12 | Adam Politzer | Go back to the beginning of that email which was sent. earlier. I just forwarded an email that I sent to everybody. |
| 04:55:51.05 | Ray Withy | Right, but that's just saying it was scheduled in April. So you set that date. Okay, well, I won't be here Friday. We talked about it at the Council |
| 04:55:58.30 | Adam Politzer | We talked about it at the Council |
| 04:56:00.02 | Ray Withy | meeting as well. |
| 04:56:01.05 | Adam Politzer | And I had proposed |
| 04:56:04.11 | Ray Withy | one that I missed. Thank you. |
| 04:56:05.36 | Adam Politzer | you know, |
| 04:56:05.73 | Ray Withy | Sure. |
| 04:56:05.96 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:56:06.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:56:06.15 | Adam Politzer | No, you were sleeping. |
| 04:56:07.63 | Ray Withy | Probably. |
| 04:56:07.99 | Adam Politzer | You said that you didn't know what your future was holding for you. So don't count. Well, I won't be here this Friday. |
| 04:56:08.07 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:56:11.28 | Ray Withy | Well, I won't be here this Friday. Thank you. |
| 04:56:13.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:56:13.71 | Ray Withy | So I'll have to miss this one. |
| 04:56:13.79 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. So, Oh, jeez. |
| 04:56:17.72 | Ray Withy | Sorry about that. |
| 04:56:37.55 | Linda | myself as the only member. Okay. |
| 04:56:40.20 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:56:40.96 | Linda | I'll give you back, okay? |
| 04:56:41.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:56:41.81 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, I have a future agenda item. |
| 04:56:41.86 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 04:56:44.15 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:56:45.81 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Of course the Arts Commission. I'm still pushing for that. And the second one is With respect to the bicycle problem in town, Apparently there were some changes made to South Street and Second Street this last week, where Sherrows popped up on South Street and Second Street. And Bridgeway. And, yeah, and Bridgeway. The difference, though, with regards to South Street and Second Street is that there is no... I mean, there's just, there's no median. The what we call the ninja cyclists that speed down the street are always gonna be in the middle of the street. So that's a given. The tourist bicycles usually go single file. Now the Sheroes will guide them in the middle of the street and there are going to be horrible accidents. There will be people rear-ending other cars, throwing the cars into the cyclists because they don't They think that they shouldn't be writing single file now. It's truly a hazard. So I would like that as a future agenda item to discuss. No, no, no. For the last 50 years, we haven't had a Shero sign there, and the cyclists have been fine in terms of the cyclists, the revisiting the Shero sign specifically on South and Second Street. I think we're going to see some really horrific accidents because of that. |
| 04:58:36.96 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:58:37.64 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, you know, I live on that street and I know what's going to happen. You're going to have tourist cyclists who would normally ride single file. Yes, they do. They're scared. They're terrified. |
| 04:58:53.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:58:55.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | That's my future agenda item. And, yeah, along with the Arts Commission, please. |
| 04:59:19.57 | Ray Withy | It depends what clock you're looking at. |
| 04:59:21.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:59:26.07 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I have a comment about commission reports because I'm not a liaison to ABAG on this council. I'm not a liaison to TAM or MTC or whatever. And I guess when I found out about Plan Bay Area, you know, I sent you an email last week and I requested it on the agenda. And I also spoke to ABAC or the MTC, whatever the committee was last Monday, you know, in San Rafael and asked them to put it on the council agendas of all of Marin and they recommended that and so I was happy to see it on the agenda. |
| 04:59:55.68 | Pat Zook | Good. |
| 04:59:56.05 | Unknown | Bye. Bye. |
| 05:00:07.60 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I would like to be kept informed of developments from this council, from the liaisons, with respect to the RHNA numbers are just about to be released. We got that in Diane's presentation. But I would have liked to know a little bit more about this, a little bit more proactively, that's all. So that's my request. |
| 05:00:31.63 | Ray Withy | So wait, so Debbie, these commissions, you can forward this stuff directly to you, and we can ask them to do that and just put |
| 05:01:27.25 | Unknown | We used to get those physically a long time ago. Some of them. We were the ones who sent them. |
| 05:01:33.03 | Ray Withy | if we're willing to send it. |
| 05:01:34.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:01:36.88 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:01:36.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:01:37.03 | Ray Withy | Okay, John. |
| 05:01:37.67 | Thomas Theodores | Move to a drawer. |
| 05:01:37.90 | Ray Withy | Do it. of the community. Can I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye, aye, aye. |