| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:00:00.99 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Mm-hmm. The info section. Okay, good evening and welcome to Tuesday, June 18, 2013 meeting. Roll call, please. |
| 00:00:15.17 | Unknown | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Councilmember Theodorus? Present. Councilmember Withey? Here. Vice Mayor Leone? |
| 00:00:18.20 | Ray Withy | Present. here. here. |
| 00:00:21.78 | Unknown | Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:00:23.08 | Ray Withy | Present. We didn't have any closed session items, so we'll move on to... Any public comment? There isn't any. Presentation by Jonathan Goldman, recognizing... |
| 00:00:36.68 | Thomas Theodores | Amen. Thank you. |
| 00:00:37.91 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:00:37.95 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Question. |
| 00:00:39.20 | Ray Withy | Oh, Una? Una, would you lead us in the pledge? |
| 00:00:39.27 | Thomas Theodores | Oh. Una? |
| 00:00:45.86 | Ray Withy | Thank you. to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:00:48.12 | Unknown | that is |
| 00:00:59.92 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:00:59.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:59.95 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:01:04.61 | Ray Withy | Okay. There was no closed session item, so I'll move to approval of the agenda. So moved. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. Now, Jonathan, you want? |
| 00:01:15.70 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 00:01:21.94 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Jonathan Goldman, your Public Works Director. I have a brief PowerPoint to show, and I don't want to take too long in tonight's agenda, but I wanted to take advantage of time out. |
| 00:01:38.97 | Unknown | Thank you. that can't have to. laughter |
| 00:01:50.06 | Jonathon Goldman | We can do a sing-along. Who knows? Kumbaya. Just wanted to take advantage of the opportunity with the last council meeting during his tenure here to recognize Todd Teachout, our city engineer who's you retiring from a total of 29 years of distinguished public service, I think the last seven of which have been here in Sausalito. So I did prepare a brief presentation which we can wing. There it is. It's coming. I see the light. |
| 00:02:36.21 | Ray Withy | We all say that. |
| 00:02:36.24 | Jonathon Goldman | We're out. Thank you. |
| 00:02:37.90 | Ray Withy | you |
| 00:02:58.00 | Jonathon Goldman | If only I had rehearsed this, I would have memorized it, and I wouldn't need to read the slides. There we go. Thank you, Debbie. Special presentation this evening, recognizing our retiring city engineer, Todd Teachout. He will be shocked to see some of these photographs that I was able to acquire without having to pay for them. |
| 00:03:15.83 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:03:23.85 | Jonathon Goldman | Tom has more than 29 years of distinguished public service. He has more than seven years serving the people of Sausalito. He spent more than ten years with the city of Pleasant Hill, eight years with the city of El Cerrito, and worked for the cities of Commerce City in Lakewood, Colorado and Ann Arbor, Michigan before he came to California. |
| 00:03:23.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:03:23.98 | Ray Withy | For now. |
| 00:03:47.08 | Jonathon Goldman | He has a master's in public administration from Cal State Hayward. His bachelor's is in civil engineering from Michigan, a famous of Higher Learning and also did graduate studies at University of Colorado. His special skills, which we will value even after he retires, hopefully, traffic engineering, pavement and drainage, stormwater regulation, subdivision and private development review, floodplain administration, capital project development and delivery. his recreational activities. |
| 00:04:24.56 | Unknown | Thank you. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. |
| 00:04:25.48 | Jonathon Goldman | Anyway. you |
| 00:04:27.85 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:04:27.95 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:04:27.97 | Ray Withy | Todd, the one on the right, |
| 00:04:29.91 | Jonathon Goldman | This is actually the last bullet point of the slide. Todd is a high official in a local rondeurers group that engages in long-timed recreational bicycle events. It has been for some time. I wasn't able to figure out how long he'd been doing that. His hobbies and other recreational activities include collecting bicycles and building and maintaining them, sailing, rowing, motorcycling, car restoration, all things mechanical, and now he has grandchildren, which I think is also wonderful. |
| 00:04:32.76 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 00:04:33.20 | Unknown | it is. |
| 00:04:33.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:05:10.06 | Thomas Theodores | Isn't that Tiki Winky? |
| 00:05:11.02 | Jonathon Goldman | This is a photograph of one of his collectible bicycles that I was able to acquire. And I want to wish Todd happy trails. I have a certificate here, as well as a gift certificate to Bicycle Odyssey that probably won't get you anything huge. But it's still a big gift certificate. So I wanted to thank you and encourage you to say a few words. |
| 00:05:23.64 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:05:38.53 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:05:38.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:05:48.45 | Todd Teachout | Well, I want to thank you all and your predecessors and the residents of the town to afford me the opportunity to serve you. I really, really will miss this place. I'm sorry. And it's been really difficult to let go. |
| 00:06:06.61 | Ray Withy | Well, we're going to miss you. So, let's move on to the time. |
| 00:06:10.12 | Thomas Theodores | about time. Seven years time? It seems like more than seven years, doesn't it? Sometimes it seems like an eternity. Sometimes it seems like hardly at all. |
| 00:06:14.05 | Todd Teachout | Sometimes it seems like an eternity, and sometimes it seems like hardly at all. But most of my time in my career has been in the public sector and the things that I most cherish about it is the ability to take the community demand and get it into hard facility. That to me is... It's the true challenge, but it's also the most enjoyable state to get when someone's been both stating the obvious or just even saying subtle things that you didn't know and then working with them to transform that and getting it budgeted, getting it permitted, getting it built, getting it paid for. |
| 00:06:58.72 | Una Kavana | Bye. |
| 00:07:02.95 | Todd Teachout | I really, really like it. |
| 00:07:04.05 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 00:07:05.63 | Todd Teachout | And I'll really, really miss that. Thank you again for letting me serve you. I love this town and I hope that I'll be back in some various capacity. Thanks again. |
| 00:07:25.90 | Ray Withy | Todd, we all want to thank you very much, It's really, if you really look at what things you've accomplished, especially in the last few years, the amount of work and effort that you put into improving our streets, in our infrastructure. So you should be very, very proud that As you're leaving, you have left your mark here. You have done things that only other cities could wish that they could do as far as upgrading our infrastructure and leaving us in very, very good shape. So thank you very, very much. |
| 00:08:06.50 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:08:06.54 | Unknown | But... |
| 00:08:07.28 | Linda | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And Todd, I have to say I remember when I first ran for counsel. |
| 00:08:08.19 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:08:15.06 | Linda | infrastructure was at the top of my list, sewers and streets. And you were at the top of my list to go and talk to. And I learned so much in just the short time I spent with you. I just took copious notes. And I mean, the ability to educate someone who is a learning curve and is coming up to speed the way you did really, I think, gives insight into your wealth of knowledge and the depth of your knowledge with respect to your profession and what you do. and, um, We are Really sad to be losing you right now. I know you're going to go on to to new ventures and leave new legacies. But like we've heard, you certainly left a legacy here. And everyone in the town, I mean, You had probably the hardest job with respect. Just because it's so visible, everybody focuses on the infrastructure, the roads and streets. And so thank you. Thank you so much for your time, your service, and just your hard work and the expertise and the heart you brought to everything you did. So appreciated. |
| 00:09:31.16 | Unknown | Thank you. So I don't want to say that. I wanted to grab a little. |
| 00:09:32.89 | Thomas Theodores | I'll take it in. So I wanted to thank Todd. I swear it's longer than seven years. You should go back and check his employee file. Because Todd was basically a one-man show for at least a couple of years before, because this is my seventh year on the city council. And I know you and I had some fun when I was a planning commissioner. And Todd, forget the streets and roads and stuff, Todd just supporting the planning commission process, which he had to do by himself for a meaningful chunk of time, just ate up, I imagine, your patience with life in general, because you were doing the task of multiple people and without the resources to do it. And finally, we gave you the resources to do it, and now you're taken off, so I'm a little pissed off about that. But no, we – that's right. You've left some well-trained people behind. No, I appreciate you, your patience in dealing with those years when there wasn't much to help you, and I appreciate your productivity and what you've done now that there have been people and money over the last few years to help implement some of those hard improvements that you've wanted to do for a long time since you've got here. And the way you've dealt with the public along the way is also very commendable. I think, as Linda sort of mentioned, it's hard in your position and in a lot of your positions to – people expect you have machines ready to go and pave their street tomorrow and money to deal with that interaction. And you've, I think, shown a wealth of patience and knowledge and hand-holding with members of the public, and I've appreciated that in my various capacities. And that'll be missed, and hopefully we will be interacting as you find out what – where your feet are going to be doing after this. I know we'll be – I know Jonathan and Lauren and folks are going to be tapping you on the shoulder as we have other people bring your expertise back on a project basis. But thank you so much for your time and dedication. |
| 00:09:38.56 | Unknown | filed because |
| 00:10:28.19 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:11:25.12 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:11:52.12 | Thomas Theodores | We've known each other a relatively short period of time, both in my official capacity, but also as a resident interacting. Um, I just have really two things to say. First, as those who build and make their careers around public service are to be commended and honored. And the second is that I have personally welcomed a being able to interact with a scientific, engineering trained, rational, calm mind. Thank you. |
| 00:12:34.07 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:12:42.07 | Unknown | Okay. Todd, thank you. |
| 00:12:42.82 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:12:42.83 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. Todd, thank you for your service. I also haven't had too much opportunity. I hadn't had much opportunity to interact with you before. on the council. I fortunately did not get too involved in engineering things at that point, but certainly the short time I've been here and most important thing that stands out for me is that whenever We talk about any engineering project that they come up and when you've been involved in it and certainly presenting, but also when people talk about your work, they always hold it in the highest esteem. And certainly, I've got a sense of your contribution during that time from others in interacting on these things. Wish you the best in retirement and I understand you'll be coming down that hill in your spandex We learned a little bit from the slide. |
| 00:13:31.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:31.30 | Unknown | from the slide. |
| 00:13:32.04 | Adam Politzer | I just wanted to say that. |
| 00:13:33.22 | Thomas Theodores | No, no. |
| 00:13:33.25 | Adam Politzer | No. |
| 00:13:33.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:34.33 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:13:34.37 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:13:34.40 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:13:34.42 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 00:13:34.86 | Adam Politzer | you Okay. you I, I, uh, At the last council meeting I shared many of my comments then, so I won't repeat repeat them. and really appreciate the council giving some thought. and giving the recognition that Todd deserves and obviously earns Uh, We'll be having a party as I mentioned before on Thursday at 4.30 down in the Edgewater room and invite the council, the public, whoever would like to join us they'll, hear my speech at that meeting. I can't put my speech on tape, so I'll |
| 00:14:12.13 | Ray Withy | There's not enough tape. Thank you. Thank you. We don't want it to be. |
| 00:14:15.07 | Adam Politzer | We don't want it to be. We've got to let out some of the secrets. A lot of too many nice comments tonight and forgot some of the funny moments but, I would also like to add we talked about sewer streets. work with planning. But I know that we had a lot of hills falling down and homes sliding down. mudslides and what have you, both downtown Sausalito. that, he skillfully got pulled into to help settle a private issue. dispute. Over at MLK we went through a long dispute challenge and got to a successful agreement on how to deal with the landsliding at the MLK above the school there. But there's been a whole bunch of memories that I'm sure As Todd looks back and prepares for Thursday, and giving him fair notice that we'd like to hear a little bit more from you. But there's some amazing stories, and amazing accomplishments, and it'll be fun to kind of reflect on Thursday on those. So congratulations, Todd, on your recognition, well deserved, and we look forward to years to come, and your new journey, new path, and new successes. Congratulations. |
| 00:15:43.63 | Ray Withy | Hey, this is the earliest you're going home from a meeting that I could ever remember. You don't have to. I mean, you can stay for the whole thing if you like. Yeah. |
| 00:15:53.50 | Unknown | He's not retired yet. |
| 00:15:57.03 | Unknown | Yeah. you |
| 00:15:57.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:59.26 | Ray Withy | Well, you know, in Sausalito, there's a company that learned how to clone cats. They're working on dogs. And when they get up to people, you'll get the first call. Okay, at this time here, communications. It's the time for the city council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. Except in very limited situations, state law precludes the council from taking action or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. Would anybody like to come and speak about anything that is not on the agenda? |
| 00:16:37.45 | Ray Withy | No? Okay. Thank you. Let's bring it back up and move on the minutes of the regular meeting on June 4, 2013. |
| 00:16:49.43 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, if I may. |
| 00:16:50.62 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 00:16:53.07 | Linda | I don't know if I received the minutes in my packet, and my apologies if they were emailed to me. or if I'm just flat out missing them. But I don't... It's in there. |
| 00:17:11.82 | Ray Withy | It's in there. It should be in, yeah, then just abstain if you want, but they should be in there. |
| 00:17:18.06 | Linda | Yeah, they're not. It's my apologies because I should have caught this beforehand. |
| 00:17:21.89 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right. Well, you can abstain if you'd like. Okay. We'll run the minutes of the June 4th meeting. |
| 00:17:28.34 | Linda | you |
| 00:17:31.53 | Unknown | approval of the new. |
| 00:17:33.71 | Ray Withy | second okay all in favor aye aye opposed |
| 00:17:36.49 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:17:43.17 | Ray Withy | Okay, moving right along to the consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial, require no discussion. I expect that they have unanimous council support and may be enacted by the council in one motion in the form listed below. |
| 00:18:04.91 | Linda | you And my apologies, that was an abstain for me on the minutes. |
| 00:18:08.87 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay. move to accept the consent calendar. Thank you. |
| 00:18:15.17 | Thomas Theodores | So moved. Second. |
| 00:18:16.13 | Ray Withy | Second. Second. OK. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? OK. Let's move right up to business items. |
| 00:18:18.88 | Thomas Theodores | I like that. |
| 00:18:19.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:26.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. And that would be Let's see. |
| 00:18:30.09 | Unknown | Thank you. All right, let's get it. |
| 00:18:32.65 | Ray Withy | All right, let's go. |
| 00:18:33.95 | Unknown | Thank you. is like, look at them. |
| 00:18:36.03 | Ray Withy | Well, why don't we do B and then go, well, |
| 00:18:39.94 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:18:40.04 | Unknown | especially |
| 00:18:40.85 | Ray Withy | All right, wait a minute. Then we're going to, Charlie, go ahead. We're going to do B first. And that would be the adoption of the 2013-14 budget. |
| 00:18:50.34 | Thomas Theodores | Hold on a second. So you might want to, are there supposed to be other human beings that she's introducing? Because then you might just continue to slide them all together. |
| 00:18:53.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:53.69 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:18:53.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:58.99 | Unknown | No, she's just... |
| 00:18:59.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:19:00.28 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:19:00.36 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 00:19:00.38 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:19:00.49 | Una Kavana | Thank you. Thank you. you Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:19:02.57 | Ray Withy | for being here. |
| 00:19:02.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:19:02.79 | Thomas Theodores | She's here right. She's here now. I think so. Yeah, we're running a little bit. |
| 00:19:06.70 | Ray Withy | I... |
| 00:19:08.19 | Thomas Theodores | It's unusual. |
| 00:19:08.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:19:08.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:19:09.03 | Ray Withy | be fine. |
| 00:19:09.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:19:11.09 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Sorry, Charlie. Isn't that a tuna commercial? |
| 00:19:12.85 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:19:15.46 | Chief Tejada | Thank you. |
| 00:19:15.48 | Unknown | It's terrible. |
| 00:19:16.04 | Chief Tejada | Thank you. |
| 00:19:19.63 | Ray Withy | You got bumped. |
| 00:19:20.44 | Chief Tejada | How's that for timing? |
| 00:19:22.09 | Ray Withy | you're late. Thank you. |
| 00:19:24.19 | Chief Tejada | I just feel like |
| 00:19:24.95 | Unknown | Speed on the way here though. |
| 00:19:27.04 | Unknown | All right. Amen. |
| 00:19:28.74 | Chief Tejada | I'm gonna take the fess on that. |
| 00:19:29.79 | Unknown | . |
| 00:19:36.94 | Chief Tejada | Good evening, Mayor, Vice-Mair, City Councilmembers, City Manager, City Clerk, and visiting City Attorney. and audience. I'm Chief Tejada, and this is CEO of the Chamber, Una Kavana, and we're here to give you a very quick update on what's happened at the ferry landing since Jonathan Goldman and I spoke to you last about the changes that we thought were necessary down there. This, as you will remember, was the situation when we came to you in April. And we were having a lot of safety issues down there. And if you look at the picture, you can see that it's hard to tell if this is a street for cars or a pedestrian walkway or a very large bicycle path. And so this is what we were trying to mitigate. And along with that, we wanted to make sure that we were creating a welcoming experience on the ferry landing for all of these visitors. So the option, one of the five options that Jonathan and I shared with you was this one, and that was moving parking of bicycles into Lot 1. And this is where it is, and it's working. greatly mitigated all of the traffic concerns on El Portal. I have been here pretty much one of the days of every weekend since we started this. I've had the streets and parking lot monitored on a 30-minute cycle between 1 p.m. and 6 p.m. And every report, every weekend since then, since the weekend of May 17th, has been positive in terms of really the situation in El Pertel has disappeared. The guests to In Above the Tides can drive in, and they don't have to worry about running down a cyclist or a pedestrian, and they can get checked in, and the valet can get the car over to the parking lot without navigating through hordes of people. So as we are doing that, Oona is working very hard, and I back up and say that Oona and I have been working together on this since I came here. So this is the redheaded conspiracy. |
| 00:22:17.96 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:22:20.18 | Chief Tejada | Oops, that's a bad word. So Una is going to give you a little bit on the overall the refurbishment of kiosk operations. |
| 00:22:32.93 | Una Kavana | Luna Kavanagh, CEO of the Saus Leader Chamber, Last November, our board of directors made a decision to temporarily close the kiosk while we looked at how we were running that particular operation. we had for many years used a group of about 15 volunteers. mainly retired people. mainly above the age of 70, and they were doing a fine job for many years. and Over the last couple of years the bicyclists and the traffic has really increased. And... They've been under a lot of stress and as you could see from the photos that Chief Tejada showed you, it wasn't pretty. And a lot of them were complaining to me that they were unhappy and what were we gonna do about it. And also we had some complaints from the general public about the way that they were being greeted. So anyway, we took some time and set up a subcommittee to look at the kiosk and see how we might more effectively run it. and spent several months and we decided that was the best period to do it because it was very quiet during that period. So we have come to the decision in May. We were fortunate enough. We wanted to recruit someone. We felt that if it was more under my control, it's something that's been run. pretty effectively on a volunteer basis by Jean Patterson and Bill Patterson who have done a great job but, it still is under my jurisdiction and I want it run a certain way and it wasn't being run exactly the way I wanted to. So our board made the decision we would take on a full-time paid person. So we're very fortunate that we have hired someone who used to work at the chamber. Her name is Peggy Day. Many of you I know Mary Weiner certainly knows her, I'm sure Linda probably knows Peggy too, used to work at the chamber. and she's very knowledgeable and knows the town very, very well. and also understands the chamber. So I'm very, very happy that we have recruited her as a full-time employee. Obviously the Chamber's a non-profit, we do not have the funds to employ someone, so we approach certain entities, one being the Hospitality Committee did give us some funds to cover her salary for a period of May to October. But also the Golden Gate Ferry have given us some funds to sponsor improvements at the kiosk, which was very generous of them. And also, I went out to our members to be sponsors, and I'm very pleased to say we've raised $9,000 from our members who are going to sponsor that kiosk and will in return get some signage and some benefits, direct benefits. But we're very, very happy. Peggy's doing a superb job. I know many of you have gone down to say hello. I certainly know Mayor. Weiner's been down there and thank you. Adam's been down there too and I know that Chief Dehada has too. She's doing a great job. She's not perfect. Nobody is, including me. We are going to train her more and more. I want her to have a script. But it's human nature. Well, I'm not there to monitor all the time, but I really want the feedback. if you see something happening. isn't quite what we want. The main thing we want, and we talked a lot with the police department, with the ferry companies and the bike companies. We wanna work together and we want it to be a positive experience for our visitors and our residents. And that's something that I believe has happened in the last couple of weeks. Jim Swindler from the Golden Gate, actually came to a meeting and told Chief Tadda myself. He has never seen such a positive attitude down at that kiosk and the ferry landing. And that's including his staff, our staff, and the ambassadors. that are working down there. So I feel very proud. We've worked really hard. It's not perfect, but it's certainly an improvement. So we're very happy. So that's what's happening with the full-time employee. Do you want me to talk a little about the Boarding, yeah. We also worked with the bike companies, and they have provided They've provided some part-time people and they're paying for them. to help with a reservation, it's a token system whereby when the bicyclists come over from the city they're encouraged, there's someone out in the parking areas directing them to where they need to park their bikes. There are also going to be signs to tell them once they've parked their bikes they need to go to the kiosk where there is a person from one of the bike companies, sponsored by the bike companies and the ferry company. who will give them a token for a particular ferry they want to take back. This is to prevent some of the problems we had where people literally drive to Saucelido get off their bike and then start getting, queuing up or lining up for the ferry. speak with my chamber of hat head on, I want them to be enjoying our town. and I'm sure you do too. and We want them to be spending and eating and whining and dining. So this reservation system means that they land here or arrive here at one o'clock. decide they want to take the three o'clock ferry, provided we know there's enough spaces because the bike companies are in connection with the ferry companies on a daily basis to find out What's the load like? How many bikes can you take? and they give out tokens for a particular ferry time. And it's working very well. Last year we did it on a trial basis. It, was working okay but one of the problems they had was they were in the main part of the parking lot but the chamber's working with the bike companies and we're allowing them to use our kiosk. which means that They're in the same kiosk as Peggy. She helps them out, covers their breaks. They do the same for her. So it's really, really working very well. And again, Chief Tehad has been monitoring how effectively those lines are moving. and it would appear that we're doing fine even on those busy days. So that's a definite improvement. And I would like to to give appreciation to the ferry companies and the bike companies for doing this. They You know, they get Sometimes a lot of people don't like the bikes coming to town. I, for one, like to see them coming. I particularly like to see them staying and spending money here. But the bike companies really particularly blazing saddles. They put their money where their mouth is. They're paying for these staff. And they've also allowed myself and Golden Gate to be involved in the scheduling of that. which means there's always somebody there. And the very last person I'd like to really thank is a young lady called Sherry Argyle. Carlisle, I should say. She is actually employed by Golden Gate, and she works down at the ferry landing right where people are getting on the ferry, and that girl is a blessing to this town. She has worked last summer, and this summer she has really done an absolute stellar job. She talks faster than me, she has more energy than me, she's just amazing. And I thank Jim Swindler for hiring her and I think we're all very lucky to have her in our town and she has really helped improve things. So I wanted to give her. a note of recognition. Thank you. |
| 00:30:26.33 | Chief Tejada | How are we doing on time? So one of the other things that the bike companies has developed that's just going out, I think, this weekend, is a frequently asked questions pamphlet that is just another layer of communication to help everybody get to where they want to be and know when they need to be, where they need to be, and how the system works. We will continue. We've had meetings with the ferry companies and the bicycle companies, and we'll continue to do that in the chamber. Down here are the chips that are used for the priority boarding system. And there's Peggy, and I saw it. I took a picture of the back of her shirt just to show you. um, what that's like. So we started the Ambassador Program last year, and the bottom left are two of our ambassadors, and they will be there on Mondays, because Mondays is Peggy's Day Off. So they'll continue to work there. The next picture over is the young man who's one of the line monitors to help keep the queue of bicycles flowing and make sure people are not spilling out into the street or into the parking lot. And then to the far right is the Blazing Saddles line monitor Blazing Saddles has really stepped up to the plate this summer, as Una alluded to. They really are trying hard to make the system work and putting money into it. And then she mentioned Sherry. Sherry from Golden Gate Fairies is a godsend. She really knows how to work the system down there and how to get everybody to where they need to be. The communication has also been enhanced between the bicycle companies, the ferry companies, and the people at the kiosk. They all have phone numbers, radios, and there's constant communication. So if there's any slight delay in a ferry, if there's an influx of cyclists that Blazing Saddles can tell is going to hit Sausalito, that communication happens right away so everybody can be prepared. And then one of the other things that's happened at the ferry landing that's helped free up the space and create some more semblance of order and control is the taxis. We seem to have had a lot of taxis come to Sausalito for their fares. They were double parking, parking in the red zone. So once we cleared all the cyclists and the pedestrians and the other cars, then we were like, Now we've got this identified. Officer Smogowski has been working with the taxi companies. He's constantly communicating to them about the standards we expect in Sausalito, standards of behavior, about taxicab regulations, about what each taxicab driver needs to have in his or her possession. If they don't have it, They gotta go. And he is being very, very strict with them because we've noticed that we have some come in who are not ready to play nice. So we've taken care of that, and it seems to be working also. So on the left is our circle, top left, circle slash. That's what we don't want. And all the measures that we put in place. These are photographs that I took on a Saturday afternoon at 3.30 p.m. And that's evidence of success of what we're doing. So we're moving in the right direction. |
| 00:33:54.85 | Chief Tejada | there. |
| 00:33:56.98 | Ray Withy | That was 3 o'clock in the morning, not 3 o'clock in the afternoon. |
| 00:33:58.92 | Chief Tejada | We've cracked it. Yeah, I have those big lights that Jonathan Goldman has. Light it up. So, in a nutshell, we've made a significant improvement, and everybody has worked beautifully together. We all have a stake in this. We all want it to work well. Nobody is digging their heels in the corner and saying, I want it this way and no other way. Everybody is compromising. Everybody is working together. So we'll continue to work on it. It's not perfect, but we're moving in the right direction. And thank you for your time. And thank you, Una, for being my partner. |
| 00:34:39.66 | Ray Withy | Before you change that, if you look at that kiosk, the way it's set up is, and it wasn't explained there, they work in there. Those windows on both sides, they go up. So they're able to work with one side being for the visitors without a bicycle and the other side for the bicycles on the bicycle side. And that's worked very well. |
| 00:35:07.11 | Ray Withy | Okay, any questions? |
| 00:35:08.33 | Linda | Yeah, Mr. Mayor, I have some questions. Well, I'm... |
| 00:35:10.79 | Ray Withy | Well, I'm going to do one at a time, and we're going to go down the line. So one, and then. We'll just lose. |
| 00:35:17.29 | Linda | Oh, okay, so I start with one question. Okay. So thanks for the presentation and the overview. We appreciate it. So I have many questions, so hopefully maybe some of my questions will be addressed as we go. So my first question has to do with the configuration with into parking lot one. |
| 00:35:19.30 | Ray Withy | with one. |
| 00:35:39.59 | Linda | How... You mentioned you monitored the parking lots for... I know you monitor the parking lots for cars parking and the vacancy rates. Did we also monitor the vacancy rates on the bike racks by Bank of America? For example, I know, how many parking spaces did we take in parking lot one now? 14. |
| 00:36:06.07 | Ray Withy | for the money. Thank you. Thank you. 13. 13. Sorry, 13. You took 13. |
| 00:36:07.86 | Linda | 13. I'm not sure. We took away that last one. Yeah. Thank you. So you took 13 bike, 13 car spaces for bicycle parking. In monitoring the bicycle parking there, did you notice high vacancy rates at Bank of America and the other racks that we have? |
| 00:36:27.61 | Chief Tejada | Initially, yes. It seems like they were not being used, but in recent weekends, no, they were being used. Thank you. |
| 00:36:37.68 | Linda | So they were all, you saw full vacancy at Bank of America Plaza, at the RACs, at the end of El Portal, and then also, or Tracy Way, and then also... the 13 spaces that were taken. Because remember, we have three locations right now with bi-crats. Yes. |
| 00:36:51.99 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 00:36:52.01 | Chief Tejada | No. |
| 00:36:56.48 | Chief Tejada | Yes. The only place I noticed was vacant was in front of Bank of America when this started. |
| 00:37:00.93 | Linda | Okay, thank you. |
| 00:37:02.97 | Chief Tejada | Thank you. |
| 00:37:03.06 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:37:03.09 | Chief Tejada | . |
| 00:37:03.99 | Linda | Oh, okay, so Bank of America was full. the new spaces in lot one, those were all full, as well as the bike racks. At one point on Saturday, this last Saturday, yes, |
| 00:37:11.26 | Chief Tejada | Right. At one point on |
| 00:37:17.12 | Linda | Okay, so, because all three thoughts. Okay, that was my question. Thank you. |
| 00:37:23.53 | Unknown | Okay, Ray, do you have a question? |
| 00:37:25.52 | Thomas Theodores | No, I have comments later, but no questions. |
| 00:37:27.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:27.34 | Linda | question. |
| 00:37:27.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:27.92 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:37:27.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:29.76 | Thomas Theodores | Deal. |
| 00:37:30.51 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, on the parking, you mentioned Well, previously, but... The question is, How was the parking lots? Were they full during the weekends or in this last? let's say, a week period. |
| 00:37:42.23 | Chief Tejada | Yeah. You know, there's a lot of activity in and out of the parking lots, so we did it on a 30-minute cycle. When the person went through Lot 1, if Lot 1 was full, then they went to Lot 2 to count how many vacancies were there. If Lot 2 was full, then they went to Lot 3. If Lot 1 was not full, I told them, don't bother with 2 and 3, don't waste your time. I just am concerned, interested in how is it filling up. So when I look at these results, There was one day on May 25th at 3.30 when there were no spaces in any of the lots. One 30-minute period. Every other period has lot one occasionally between 1.30 and 3, might have not any available spaces, but then in lot two, generally speaking, there were spaces and always in lot three. And we didn't account for the spaces on the street. I have minimal staffing. This was where I wanted to focus so I could track parking lot parking. But at no time was there a period where space was not available in a parking lot if somebody was looking for parking. We also did it to mitigate people coming into one and thinking they were going to find a space. If it was full or close to being full, the parking lot attendant was told, you need to be out there so people know. There's two over here. There's one here or no spaces. A sign, lot full. So it meant that people weren't driving around because I know you mentioned that last time. The parking lot attendants have now been asked to be out in the lot so that they can direct people away if we don't have enough parking for the cars that are coming in. So, you know, small improvement. |
| 00:39:48.32 | Linda | Yes. So, okay, let's see. So I heard that Golden Gate Ferry, and maybe this is a question for Una, I'm not sure, but Golden Gate Ferry has provided one full-time employee. I know they're down there. I spent like four hours myself down there about two or three weeks ago, weekends ago, just to kind of scope things out. |
| 00:40:11.50 | Una Kavana | We can. |
| 00:40:15.30 | Linda | And my question is, does Blue and Gold have someone representing them down there? Do they have someone? Thank you. |
| 00:40:24.85 | Chief Tejada | Not all the time. Golden Gate Perry has two people. |
| 00:40:25.10 | Linda | helping. |
| 00:40:29.30 | Chief Tejada | most of the time down there, if not three, and they communicate with Blue and Gold. They have a communication system set up, so in terms of who has supervisors physically at the ferry landing, not engaged in what's going on on the ferry, but devoted to the ferry landing, Golden Gate has two employees. |
| 00:40:49.03 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:40:49.27 | Chief Tejada | you |
| 00:40:50.48 | Linda | Okay, I know Golden Gate does, but I didn't think that Blue and Gold had anyone. |
| 00:40:56.03 | Una Kavana | you Thank you. |
| 00:40:56.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:40:56.71 | Una Kavana | They don't. |
| 00:40:57.59 | Linda | They don't. They don't. |
| 00:40:58.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:40:58.45 | Una Kavana | They don't. |
| 00:41:09.64 | Linda | It's... |
| 00:41:10.01 | Una Kavana | Thank you. Okay. Right. |
| 00:41:11.05 | Linda | OK. You know, those tokens. |
| 00:41:13.32 | Una Kavana | that person is paid for by blazing saddles and blue and gold. So they're paying for the member of staff, but they don't physically have a blue and gold person. |
| 00:41:23.68 | Linda | Okay. Yeah, I asked because when I was down there just two, three weeks ago, weekends, I think it was a Saturday or a Sunday, and it was just chaos. the only person there was someone from the Golden Gate Ferry. And I didn't see any, you know, bike rental person. And it's my understanding that, You said that they're going to be down there full time now, someone from Blazing Saddles? |
| 00:41:50.54 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 00:41:50.56 | Linda | Yeah. |
| 00:41:50.88 | Chief Tejada | Thank you. |
| 00:41:51.13 | Una Kavana | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:41:51.66 | Chief Tejada | Well, it's not a full-time job. They're there at peak hours. Okay. |
| 00:41:56.53 | Una Kavana | And they're in the kiosk, by the way, so you won't see them. They do have, during the very busy hours, they'll have, they always have one person during the busy hours in the kiosk, so that's what, Herb Weiner was explaining to us. So there's two windows. So the bike person. is in the kiosk, so you won't see them wandering. They accept the line monitor. So when it's busy, and I've been down there when there's three of them. you know, when there's, Sherry at the boarding gate. There's a reservations person in the chaos and there's a line monitor. |
| 00:42:29.64 | Linda | With the tokens. Okay. A line monitor. So I have a couple more questions, but I defer to the rest of the. Council? |
| 00:42:39.04 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. I do. I have a question. On the ambassador program, could you tell me – How do you recruit ambassadors and what do you have them doing? Are they only at the kiosk or do they also help on the line? |
| 00:42:51.01 | Chief Tejada | They're generalists is the best way to describe them. We recruit them the same as we recruit any volunteer, and typically that's word of mouth. We put a notice, I think, in the currents when we started it. Mostly word of mouth through our volunteers and policing group. So initially they were there last year sporadically throughout the weekend. We were trying to spread them out. We had, I think, four ambassadors. Now we're down to three ambassadors. And because of all the other staff there, we decided it was best to put them all on Monday when Peggy was off. And so they will do, they'll fill in, giving out information that Peggy does. They will monitor. They're primarily there to make sure that people are not spilling out into the street, that people know where to go. Just give information and guidance on where to go for information or to use the bank. So they're generalists, a little bit of everything. |
| 00:43:52.80 | Linda | So as a former kiosk volunteer, and having spent many hours down there as a volunteer in a prior life, I can tell you that it's been my experience that You've got the bike crowd with specific questions, and then you've got the ferry and the visitors by car and the tour bus with very specific questions. And so I can see where you would have someone from the rental bike company out in the trenches where they're parking the bikes, making sure they're parking the bikes correctly, making sure they've got their tokens, making sure that everything is orderly and they're lining up correctly. To put a bike rental person inside the kiosk I just don't, I can see when I volunteered at the kiosk, we always had two people in the kiosk helping with field the questions of general people coming off the ferry, the crowds coming from the tour buses. So I guess my question is, I mean, I know Peggy, she's very competent. She's sure she adds a lot of value. she would add a lot of value to the chamber in any position she was in. But it seems to me that if you have looked into bringing the volunteers back and having them perhaps partner with Peggy to provide some relief in that capacity. downtown and then having the bike rental person out in the trenches with the bikes, really coordinating that. |
| 00:45:33.59 | Una Kavana | Well, that's what happened last year, and it didn't work very well. And I'm sure you did a very good job when you were down at the kiosk, but can I ask how many years ago that was? |
| 00:45:43.97 | Linda | It was like nine, 10 years ago. It was with Frank Popacek. |
| 00:45:48.97 | Una Kavana | Yeah, it is a pretty changed environment, I have to say. And I've seen it. I've been with the Chamber six years. And it's a very different place from what it was 10 years ago. And Bill Patterson will tell you that too. And, We're finding it's working well. This is the trial period. We're finding at the moment it's working very well. In fact, it's working better to have the bike people inside for a number of reasons. When we had the volunteers inside and the bike reservation person at sort of a makeshift stand, We had a lot of people coming up, lining up, for what they thought was a bike token or what they thought was information. at the wrong area. and they were getting frustrated. and the The volunteers were getting frustrated because someone would get annoyed and say, Well, I thought this is where I come for the token. you So they weren't working together. One of the things we try to do by having these meetings is try to realize we're all trying to do the same thing. We're trying to make the visitor experience a good one. And that's what we're about. And so therefore, there, it hasn't been a problem to have them in the kiosk together. If it becomes an issue and Peggy isn't able to, you know, keep the lines going, I would consider having some help in there. And, What I'm finding is that I really The volunteers are great. but also having a different person in every couple of hours My members were getting pretty dissatisfied by the fact that Not everyone, a different person was there all the time. I really want to keep some cohesion So I want her to be full time and will supplement with perhaps some other part time people. But at the moment it's working well. And we find that the positive attitude is so much better. They're working together as opposed to distinct entities that I know nothing about the parking tokens, don't talk to me, I know nothing about the, we're gonna train some of them too on |
| 00:47:58.87 | Linda | too. |
| 00:48:00.10 | Una Kavana | on basically Sausalito. |
| 00:48:01.98 | Linda | So, Una, is there a concern where the kiosk could be inundated now with the bicyclists as they equate the kiosk as the go-to place for all of their questions? |
| 00:48:02.75 | Una Kavana | Is there a concern where the |
| 00:48:15.76 | Una Kavana | No, they're directed to the area where the bike reservation people are. They're directed to that side of the window. You might notice these signs up here. |
| 00:48:23.43 | Unknown | . |
| 00:48:25.13 | Una Kavana | quite a lot of signage that directs them and tells them this is where information is, this is where the bike reservation is. And it's a lot better. What was, what they were using last time? No one could even see it. |
| 00:48:32.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:32.71 | Thomas Theodores | and it's just a lot better at... using. |
| 00:48:36.52 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:48:37.08 | Thomas Theodores | Linda, can you let other people ask questions? Can I make a suggestion? Linda might have some great points of view that maybe this isn't the right form, but maybe she can meet with you or with Chief Tejada at a separate meeting if you have tips from your past experiences or otherwise that would help improve the flow and rather than take up a lot of time. |
| 00:48:46.00 | Unknown | Yeah. Perfect. |
| 00:48:47.91 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 00:48:55.27 | Linda | Right. |
| 00:48:58.51 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 00:48:58.53 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:48:58.54 | Una Kavana | We're happy to do that. |
| 00:48:59.94 | Linda | Thank you Councilmember Leon and I do have one last comment. Although I did volunteer... I have a question. I did volunteer like 19 years ago, but when I was there just three weeks ago, I stood in front of the kiosk for two hours and fielded questions because no one was there. There was an electric car parked in one of the parking spaces with an extension cord running inside the kiosk and plugged into an outlet. who is monitoring this? |
| 00:49:34.60 | Una Kavana | it. Sorry, when did you go down and do this? |
| 00:49:37.15 | Linda | It was like three weeks ago. |
| 00:49:38.87 | Una Kavana | Right. um, I wasn't, she, you know, what, do you remember what day of the week it was? |
| 00:49:45.18 | Linda | I will have it in my calendar and we'll look at it. I may have even taken a picture of it. |
| 00:49:46.87 | Una Kavana | and we'll look at that. If you look it up and... I may have even taken a picture. Taking feedback, as we've said earlier, this is not perfect. it's certainly a lot better. I have not had the screening tourists phoning me up to tell me that someone has been shouting at them and they won't ever come to Saucenito again. I've had absolutely no negative feedback. So, but I want to know, it's not perfect. So please, I'd be very happy to meet you. I'm very happy to understand how we can make it better. |
| 00:50:16.27 | Linda | and they can make it. I'd be happy to meet you too because what I saw, I had a lot of concerns with safety as well. Leave it for comment. |
| 00:50:23.32 | Ray Withy | Leave it for comments or questions. Sure. Okay. Okay. At this time here, any questions from the public? Okay, let's bring it up here quickly for comments. Ray, you want to start? |
| 00:50:38.39 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you for the update. I've probably got too much time on my hands, but for the last month, I've been actually down there. at least three times a week for at least two hours at different times of the day, during the week and during the weekends. You do have to get something. Yeah, I know. |
| 00:51:00.23 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 00:51:00.24 | Unknown | as, yeah I know. |
| 00:51:05.07 | Thomas Theodores | I've enjoyed the local coffee and other beverages, but as the mayor can testify, we've met each other a lot down there, as I've witnessed. And no, I am not interviewing for a yellow hazard jacket. |
| 00:51:14.44 | Una Kavana | Yeah. |
| 00:51:20.39 | Thomas Theodores | Um, I think this is a good start. We don't know what it's going to be like at the absolute peak. but like any good. You know, scientists, rationalists, you're going to actually do the experiment, look at the results. I've done my own informal monitoring of the parking lots. At the very peak time, if your parking lot has still got lots of spaces in it, Heaven forbid, we may have too many parking spaces. So I think you've got to be reasonable here. At the very height of the summer, you expect parking lot one to fill up. and get over it. The second thing is, I think it's a lot safer. The bicyclists know where to go. And I'm very impressed with at least the first step at how the kiosk is working. So, I think let's see, let's monitor it, but I think it's a pretty good start. |
| 00:52:24.62 | Linda | Well, yes, I might have a comment. So I have been down there, as I mentioned, and I was there for a substantial amount of time. And it was chaos, I have to say. There was an electric car parked in a city lot. There was a cord that was stretching where people and pedestrians and cyclists alike cross. The cord went straight into the kiosk and was plugged in. It was a safety hazard. I stood in front of the kiosk and fielded questions right and left. People were frustrated. People needed help. And just knowing that there are We have residents who could have been there and could still be there at odd hours to fill in the gaps, to help out. It's talent that is sorely needed and, you know, it's kind of what what living in a small town in our beautiful community is all about. When we just came from the VIPs celebration just before this council session and toasted all our great residents who volunteer for our police VIPs. So I do hope that there is room and space to bring back our volunteers to partner. I have grave concerns about turning the kiosk into a bicycle, a place for cyclists to come in and ask questions to. I think it's going to be inundated and it's going to be quickly become the cyclist kiosk. I would like personally to see a Because I would just like to know from my own edification that the kind of a schedule of who is supposed to be there at what times from which company. I would like to know that. I would like transparency on that. And I think the residents would like transparency on that too. And frankly, I think the businesses would. Because, you know, I hate to be the one lone voice here who has observed something different. But, you know, I know what I know and what I experienced. Let's see. So the schedule, the hope we can bring the volunteers back, the exploration into what the electric car was doing with the plug-in. And finally, the 14 spaces. We've lost 14 car spaces in parking lot one downtown. That's revenue we're losing. I would like to see us start charging for bike parking to try and recoup that. And I'd also like to see a tighter collaboration with the bike rental companies to see what they can do with respect to contributing to shoring up our infrastructure needs from the profits that they are making. And so that's about it. |
| 00:55:24.25 | Ray Withy | Do you have anything positive to say about that on that? |
| 00:55:26.23 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:55:26.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:26.40 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:55:26.50 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:55:26.80 | Linda | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:55:27.98 | Ray Withy | I'm serious. |
| 00:55:28.54 | Linda | The positive thing is that we have great volunteers who have been there for more than a decade with a successful track record and they were absolutely free. And I really hope we can find the opportunity to leverage that heart that, in my opinion, makes up our beautiful small town. |
| 00:55:50.44 | Ray Withy | Well, in the world that I come from, you get what you pay for, all right? And when you have people that are on a senior basis, they get sick, they can't come in, they're inconsistent. When you pay for something, you get a service, and that's what we're doing. And by the way, the three changes that have been made down there have made all the difference in the world this year. Two things. Number one, we have 28 back racks. You have 12 in front of B of A, you have four on Tracy Way, and you have 10 in parking lot one. What we did was, |
| 00:55:54.19 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:56:26.57 | Ray Withy | We took the, what was done was the 10 racks that were inside lot one where they were parking, now has become a queuing, a place where they line up. By moving those bikes over to the 13 spaces that you talked about on parking lot one, that's alleviated all the backup that you see on the street. As far as the kiosk go, it's set up perfectly. The side where they get their tokens, and you need somebody in there to get the tokens, not standing outside. The person outside wants to make sure that the bikes are parked first. You don't want them lining up with 20 bikes waiting for their token. So what we do is we send the bikes into the parking areas, and then they come and get a token. And it's only one on one side. The side where they get off the ferry and walk along the promenade, that side is open for visitors. So. with those two moves in your tokens, If you notice as you're in Chief Deher will tell you. And I'm down there at minimum five hours a day. seven days a week. You too need to find something else to do. |
| 00:57:33.99 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 00:57:34.01 | Unknown | something else to do. Thank you. |
| 00:57:35.46 | Ray Withy | . I've got to get a life. But anyway, when you're down there, you study it, you see it, you see it moving on, and I think we're going in the right direction, and I won't say anything else. |
| 00:57:48.53 | Thomas Theodores | I'll just say thanks to you folks for trying something new, because the old system obviously wasn't working. Volunteer, no volunteer, ferry company rep, no ferry company rep, whatever it was. And there is no silver bullet solution, as you well know, so you just have to keep trying. And the problem will change over time. It's changed over time just in the last few years in terms of the volume of cyclists and how they behave and what type of tourist cyclists you get now I think is different than you would have gotten six years ago. There are a broader range of ages than we used to get because it's becoming more of a central part of the tourist experience in San Francisco. But thank you for trying something new. I know you're using the volunteers that you have at your disposal in your best discretion. I'll not try to micromanage that and leave that in your – they're your volunteers, so I'll let you manage them in the way you see best. And they're good folks, and I know that – I'm sure a lot of people who have been doing kind of tired of doing it anyway because it does take a toll on you to be in that booth. God bless the people who volunteer in there. And thanks for trying new things. I'm sure at the end of the day with a new parking system, the paper space, that we're probably going to end up netting out about neutral because that was the forecast when we sort of thought about this because we're turning over the spaces more frequently than we used to. So that would be something that the city could come back at the end of the summer and say, here's the impact to the revenues to see if there was any in lot one. |
| 00:59:22.51 | Thomas Theodores | Well thank you both for your report and for your efforts in addressing these issues. I don't have much of a life, but I don't spend it there. I waste it in other places. But I do live about two minutes from there, and I walk by. I come down Reed Lane and come by. And I have noticed I was quite concerned back in March and early April about the confusion so early in the season. And now I've observed. you I'm not there all the time, of course, and there are probably some issues. But I find when it should be even worse that it seems a little calmer down there. And I do just encourage you to keep trying and that we, like any problem, we should take the positive things and keep reinforcing them. And those who find things that are problems, document it and report it to you both. And I know you'll both address them, so thanks for everything. |
| 01:00:11.77 | Ray Withy | All right. Thank you very much, Una. Thank you, Chief. Have a good night and keep up the good work. Charlie, we're ready now. Adoption of the 2013-14 budget. |
| 01:00:51.34 | Unknown | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council. This tonight is the action to present and adopt the fiscal year 13-14 annual budget. This budget builds on the basics and incorporates all the key concepts of the four goals in our strategic planning session. I love that phrase where we're building on the basics. Just take a moment to explore the basics, what we've accomplished from fiscal year 2008 to fiscal year 2014. First of all, in that time frame, we've increased our liquid reserves by $2.75 million. You know, it's important in fiscal management that you set aside money for rainy days to have the reserves to meet the challenges of the future. And the city was able to increase its reserves and its cash reserves by $2,759,000. We increased our total reserves by $3 million. So that we're now going from 53% of reserves covering expenditures in 2008 to up to 78% now in 2000 by the end of 2014. And our liquid reserves are over 28%. Most cities would be happy if they had 8% reserves. So the city is positioned. Position is the key word that we're looking for here to meet challenges as they come up Second thing that we've done is we've liquidated $12 million in city debt. So just like a household where you want to make sure you have savings, the other thing you want to do is get rid of the debt that, especially debt that has a higher interest rate than you're able to earn on investments. And this is a schedule of all the debt that the city had based on its original issue and by June 30 of 2014 we'll have paid off our energy commission. We'll have paid off all of the MLK leases. It will be paid off in July of 2014. The old city hall lease has been paid off. Our downtown and sunshine improvement districts, even though this is debt with no city commitment, I did list it here as being paid off on time and as scheduled. And then with our KELPR side funds, we had $5 million of debt and we had by the end of this year we'll have paid off $1.8 million of that. So the $12 million of paying down debt is another substantial achievement in good fiscal management over that same timeframe. In other words, we were back to the basics. We took care of increasing our reserves and Paying off our debt. There was a question asked at our last council meeting about our capital appreciation bonds and I wanted to be able to take a moment to explain those. The blue area is what we call serial bonds and the green area is the maturity schedule of the capital appreciation bonds. And what's extremely unique and interesting and was one of the most positive things that former city council had did, including members on this city council, was they structured an issue with Increasing annual debt service Increasing death service, dad. increases at the same rate as the assessed valuation of the city and thereby keeps the tax rate per $100,000 of assessed value floating between $18 and $21. what this means. Let's do some house calculation first. If you have a retiree on a fixed income, and there are many retirees on a fixed income here in Sausalito, but they weren't on a fixed income when they bought their house. Many people here that on a fixed income purchased their house in the 80s for $300,000, but that house today is probably worth about $1.2 million. dollars. Thank you. In other words, they're probably cash constrained, but equity wealthy. And they're very concerned that their taxes don't go up in the future because they don't have the income to pay for it. By structuring the bond issue the way we did, And as you know how Prop 13 does. Prop 13 house valued for $300,000 back in 1980 accretes very slowly. stay with the market condition. It's not taxed at its market value. So taxes for the GO bonds on a person with fixed income or $300,000 house, taxes will be about $60 per year. They were that yesterday, they'll be that today, and they'll be that tomorrow. Until that person sells that house, those taxes will float within that $60 range. Now when they sell the house, the new entrant, the new entrant that's coming in to pay for the public facility building, who didn't pay for the public facility building from the beginning until the time they bought the house, will be paying $250 per year. So what this means is that the structure of the 2006 GO bonds with the Series B Capital Appreciation Bonds providing that level of service took advantage of the Prop 13 and provided for horizontal equity. In other words, everyone pays the same rate, $10 per $100,000 of assessed valuation. Vertical equity, they pay that same rate throughout time and it provided for generational equity so that new entrants would be paying their full fair share when they come into the, so it was a very good example of how we managed our fiscal condition, managed our debt. |
| 01:06:21.43 | Una Kavana | to the |
| 01:06:29.67 | Unknown | Third thing is we invested $28 million in city infrastructure. In the past six years we've recognized that, how important it is to maintain our facilities. First we put in $14 million and used the geo bonds to build the new public safety facility buildings. And we now have CIP projects where we've put in over the past, since 2008 through 2014, We'll be putting in close to $5 to $6 million in our streets, about $600,000 in storm drains, about $8 million in bulkhead and city hall improvements, and other waterfront improvements. Parks and recreation, we'll have about $2 million invested in, bicycle and pedestrian projects for a total of additional $15 million. So $15 million there, $14 million in public facility, almost $29 million in capital improvements and capital investments. okay, we saved $2.75 million, we paid off $12 million, we invested $29 million in infrastructure, and then we looked at the way we do business and we said if we restructured our fiscal balance through annexing our fire services to the district through OPEB reform, pension reform, healthcare reform, and salary structure reform, well, again, those are the kinds of activities we need to do to be positioned to meet the challenges of the future. Now, nobody can predict the future. We can't say for sure what's going to happen next year. We can guess and we can restructure to meet those challenges. And one item that did appear in the future was kelpers changing the way that they are using their actuarial assumptions and they're also changing the way of doing the smoothing formula. If we did not do pension reform, if we did not pass the labor package that we did at the beginning of this year, our tier one pension rate would have been 16.797, and it would have always been there. every new employee who had prior CalPERS experience coming into the city WHAT IS cost the city 16.79%. But because we paid off our side fund, because we negotiated that the existing employees pay part of the employer's share, of the employer's premium. We brought that employee's premium down to 15%. And then, We close that poll. No new entrance will ever, the city will ever have to pay 15% on. All new entrants will either go into Tier 2 or two or three. Same way with police, we've gone from 39.8% down to 38.9%, but no more entrance. They'll either go into Tier 2 or into Tier 3. So, and to give you an example of how this worked with the labor reform, For every $100,000 of salary that comes out of miscellaneous, and for every $100,000 that comes out of the police, Payroll. we incur only $65,000 in new costs. And that $65,000 in new costs is at either the 10% rate or the 20% rate rather than the other rate. So that equals for a miscellaneous employee going into Tier 2, an $8,164 saving. And a police employee going into Tier 2, a $25,000 saving. And if they go into Tier 3, because they have no prior experience, they're coming right out of the police academy or they've never worked in the CAELPR system, it would be $10,000 and $31,000 for a total of any, for every $200,000 that comes out of the payroll, we would experience $33,000. dollar saving or a $41,000 savings. Now as I mentioned earlier, CalPERS rate increases are proposed to be between 7% and 8% over the next five years. We didn't know that when we adopted this budget. But we were positioned, because of the structure, to be able to mitigate the impact of that. And so if we would have done nothing, would not pass pension reform. we would have had to pay an extra $103,000 for the first year that they implemented the 7.5% rate increase. But because we're experiencing two attrition per year, and with Todd leaving and several others, we're going to get three or four this coming year. Get down, Todd! Our net increase is only between $61,000 and $69,000, which means that we've effectually brought the 7.5% increase, which is a unsustainable level of rate increases, down to a 4.5% to 5.5% level of rate increases, which is consistent with our revenue growth. So it's just another example of how the structural reform helps us meet the change for the future. Finally, we've also been throughout this period sustained and improved already excellent levels of service. As we saw in previous budget meetings, we're adding another police officer. Over those years, we've added another parking enforcement officer. We're providing more library services. We're paying for our own book budget now, not relying on the library foundation. Recreation is offering more programs and generating more revenues than they were back then. We've had some wonderful CD community development planning projects that we've been able to fund and move forward in positioning the city for its future. We continue with building inspection. Our streets and parks are being maintained. And we've been able to add staff to the analytical and the administrative part of our services. So our citizens never experienced what other cities had gone through in that We did all this during the worst recession since the Great Depression. I mean that is really a building on the basics kind of activity. When we went back to the basics, now we're going to be building on them. And you know, we couldn't have done any of that. If we didn't do long term financial planning, That long-term financial planning positioned us to be where we are today and it's continuing to position us so we can continue to meet those challenges of the future. So with that summary of the budget, I'd just like to review the three things that you're being asked to do tonight. The first is to approve the GAN limit. Again, limit is basically complex calculation that starts with last year's GAN limit. It applies some growth factors to it and says your new GAN limit is $15,9244. And then it says what subjects are subject to that appropriation limit and they count revenues. And so we add up all these revenues and we bring them in here, subtract out our debt service payments and our appropriations subject to the limit are only $7.5 million. That means we're well under the GAN limit and we're not in any danger of exceeding it. We're under by $7.4 million. So your action tonight is required by law to set the GAN limit. this. |
| 01:14:07.79 | Thomas Theodores | I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you may this was put in place statewide as a sort of way to keep people from spiking budgets and you may you know one second or two one sentence or two sentences what's for purposes |
| 01:14:20.35 | Unknown | Yeah. There was two things that happened. One was the Proposition 13, Proposition 13. What was happening was runaway assessed valuation growth and people were levying millage on that assessed valuation growth, thereby really hurting fixed income people or even just regular taxpayers. So the GAN limit froze that property tax growth to the lesser of 2% or inflation every year until a house resales. And then the second thing they did is they said, okay, we want to set a limit so that the city, even through those taxes that they collect, can never overspend on a certain appropriation authority. They didn't want government to grow beyond what they thought was a minimum in terms of dollars. The second thing you're required to do every year is to affirm the staffing levels, the position control roster, what employees are eligible to be hired and in what positions, and then those salaries. Now, the salaries have all been set by memorandums of understanding that have been approved in previous council members, but it's appropriate for the council to set the staffing and to reaffirm those salary levels for the next fiscal year. This is required as part of the memorandums of understanding. And then the third thing that you're being asked to do tonight is adopt a resolution appropriating the operating and capital budget in these following amounts. Now we set legal levels of control. Legal levels of control mean that the city can't spend over that authority amount unless they come back to the city council. And by adopting this outline, you're setting the legal level of control at the department level in the general fund and at the fund level for the other funds. And so department heads have some discretion to move items from contractual services to office supplies in order to keep to the bottom line. But they can't hire more people than have been authorized in your position control roster. So unless there's any questions, I'd recommend then, and the Finance Committee also affirms that they would recommend that the City Council approve these three resolutions tonight. |
| 01:16:54.08 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:16:54.79 | Linda | Bye. |
| 01:16:55.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:57.57 | Linda | So Charlie, you may have heard that in today's Marin IJ, there was a grand jury report on pension liabilities. And I'm getting to my question. And it says that Sausalito has 6.63 million in future health care benefits with no payment plan. And I was wondering if you could comment on that. |
| 01:17:25.31 | Unknown | Yes, I haven't seen the article, so I was not aware that it was there. So I can't affirm whether those numbers are correct or not either, but more than likely, we did send all of our information to the grand jury, and in that information to the grand jury, we said, here is our actuarial report before we did our OPEB reform, and here's the impact of the OPEB reform when we have to do, and we would do another actuarial after that and send that to them. I haven't seen the article, I'm just hearing about it now, but it could be the amount that we have in liabilities before OPEB reform. Even if it's an amount that's there after OPEB reform, what we have is something different than what any other city has. We've closed our pool. We have no more entrance into it. So our liability will go away as we go off into the future with a real long tail, rather than having a long curve upwards forever as other cities who have not done OPEB reform. |
| 01:18:43.07 | Linda | Yes, I do. So Charlie at the last City Council meeting you started off with the fact that we had a surplus and I was wondering did we put that surplus in our reserves which are |
| 01:18:58.41 | Unknown | Yes, it goes to the reserves. It's right there. |
| 01:19:01.16 | Linda | Okay, thanks. That was, I just wanted clarification on that. And I guess my last question is, could you go back to the GO bonds? |
| 01:19:23.69 | Linda | Okay. So the... is my understanding that The police and fire building cost roughly, was it 15 million and then we reimbursed 2 million |
| 01:19:43.20 | Unknown | Yes. This is the original debt service schedule. We defies the strip of serial bonds and lowered these costs. |
| 01:19:45.88 | Linda | This is. |
| 01:19:54.34 | Linda | Yeah, so it was 15, so it's 13 million. That's the total series bonds. So when all is said and done with all of this interest, We will have paid back in property taxes is that 38 million? Am I reading that right? |
| 01:20:13.71 | Unknown | Well, less the amount that we defees. We defees $2.1 million, so it would be $36.5 million. |
| 01:20:20.38 | Linda | $36.5 million. Wow. |
| 01:20:23.21 | Unknown | It's like a mortgage on a house where you buy a house for $150,000 in over 20 years, you end up paying $800,000. |
| 01:20:27.85 | Linda | Well, no, this to me is the way these bonds were structured. I'll reserve that to comment, but I disagree with the way that these were structured. And my next question has to do actually I think with the city manager. Actually I have a question for Adam regarding Thank you. I was just, it's actually more of just a personnel question with regards to the, how we fill our positions. Do we advertise for all of our positions when we're in the process of filling? I'm just curious. Just a process question. |
| 01:21:18.51 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, probably 95% to 99% are advertised to the public. some positions are internal promotions which give anybody in the city the opportunity to compete for a promotional opportunity, Uh, |
| 01:21:34.14 | Linda | Is your microphone on? |
| 01:21:35.35 | Adam Politzer | Yep. |
| 01:21:38.89 | Linda | So 95%, under what conditions would we not advertise on the open market for positions? |
| 01:21:45.73 | Adam Politzer | when we feel that we have internal candidates that are Thank you. would be competitive for the opportunity. and give the opportunity to our internal employees for that promotional opportunity or to fill a position that they may be interested in. If they don't qualify or can't meet the requirement to fill the position, then we would then open it to the public. There are times, there's many times that we will also evaluate the internal candidates and let them know that we're going to open it to the public and that we encourage them to apply. And that that would be within that same 5% of the time that that occurs. again 95 to 99% of the time, they are advertised to the public. |
| 01:22:34.46 | Linda | Perfect, thank you, Adam. That's all my questions. Thank you. |
| 01:22:37.52 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:22:37.60 | Ray Withy | kids. |
| 01:22:37.87 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:22:37.89 | Ray Withy | you This time here, any questions from the public? Okay, let's bring it back up here for comment. I'll start. Charlie, thank you for that presentation, and thank you for putting me in that category of people that have a home here. That's my equity. And just for everybody out here wanting to know some numbers, in the year 2000. People over 55, the population here was 2,086. Here we are in 2010. the population now is almost 3,000. So we are getting older. And these people do have homes and they do have most, a lot of them have fixed incomes. And that really makes a difference when they know that it's going to be held down at 65 and not jump up to a 250. And also one other thing. statistic that I found interesting. According to a recent AARP study, nearly 90% of the seniors want to stay in their homes. And I think that really fits in this community. They don't want to leave. They'll either have long care, but they do want to stay in their homes, and maybe that's why we have an average of 2.1 people per home, a very low number in this community. So thank you, Charlie. |
| 01:24:07.04 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:24:11.36 | Thomas Theodores | Charlie, thanks for the presentation. It was very clear. And just thank you for, besides all the work you're doing on the finances, thanks for taking the time with counsel to be able to go through some of these numbers because it's difficult to go over them in depth and to actually understand them. And we're only asking questions here. at the Council and we certainly don't have the time. And I appreciate you taking many hours with all of us, or certainly myself, in going over these numbers so that we can understand them in depth and that when we address them here, that we have the knowledge and background. So thank you for that. Thank you. |
| 01:24:45.53 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 01:24:45.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:24:47.29 | Linda | Oh, thank you. So my comment would be thank you, Charlie, for the presentation. Regarding the 6.63 million in future healthcare costs without a plan to pay, that was something that was just published today, so there was no time. I worked full time. There was no time to debrief on it, but it is something that I'm very concerned about because it was a surprise to me, and financial surprises in this economy are very scary to me. With respect to the bonds, if seniors want to stay in their homes, they don't want to be priced out of their homes. And if they're still in their homes in just 12 years from now, they're in for a rude awakening because of the huge bump up that we're going to be seeing in these bonds. And to me, what's very important from a property tax standpoint, it's absolutely unacceptable to me. There was no transparency whatsoever on these bonds when they were recrafted after the ballot vote. So I appreciate the presentation. I have some concerns with regards to our health care liabilities and with the bonds. I'd like to see our reserves at a higher rate than just 28% with, I mean, our liquid reserves at higher than just 28%. So that's all my comment for now. Thank you. |
| 01:26:27.03 | Thomas Theodores | Charlie, can you clarify something? So the way my understanding and, you know, I'm not going to – I'll ask you the question because I'm going to misstate the answer rather than force feed you the answer. how the general obligation bonds are structured is it's all off the pool of assessed value that was to grow at certain rates over time. So the individual homeowner is part of a pool So it relies on properties turning over or being reassessed to increase the value and therefore the charges that would go out to individual homeowners. If I never sell my house or don't do any home improvements, my bill, my part of the, My obligation underneath this never change. Right, so I'm not going to be pushed out of my house because the cost to me, unless my home gets reassessed, which it will do through Prop 13 limits, But unless I sell my house or redo it, remodel it, and therefore increase the assessed value of it. It will not. my general obligation bond obligation does not change. Is that correct? |
| 01:27:34.45 | Unknown | Is that correct? Your tax rate should remain the same. |
| 01:27:36.56 | Thomas Theodores | Right. |
| 01:27:36.86 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you, Charlie. Okay. Yes, Ray. |
| 01:27:40.59 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:27:44.96 | Thomas Theodores | As you know, I've gone on the record that I think this city is very well managed fiscally, and I want to reiterate that tonight. Um, To actually have liquid reserves of 28.5% is a really good place to be. |
| 01:28:13.82 | Thomas Theodores | Without wishing to, I don't want to show any disrespect, but the concept of it going, being much larger than that is quite frankly absurd. It would be a gross misuse of money to actually have that amount of cash unproductively used. It is just inappropriate. It is financially nonsensical. Um, I think the The important thing is actually on that we need to move forward and ask the question from a policy perspective what is the actual appropriate rate of liquid reserves to have because it may very well be that we want to bring that down slightly. that might be a prudent thing to do for appropriate financial management. 22 to 25 percent is probably the right number, especially when you consider that our total actual liquid assets are... 22 to 25% is probably the right number, especially when you consider that our total actual liquid assets are significantly greater. We've got $10 million or more of liquid assets. Um, I think the most important thing for everybody listening at home is that you know, Financial management is an ongoing long-term thing. You can never make any one budget or one issue It's about slowly and slowly prudently managing the budget so that, as Charlie said, we're positioned We're positioned to take advantage of upturns and to protect the downside when it occurs. And the fact that we've been able to build the liquid reserves, pay off the debt, put $29 million into city infrastructure in the last five years, six years, whatever it is, during the period of a significant recession means we were positioning ourselves well. And the important thing is to make sure that continues on an annual basis prudently and carefully. So, I'm new to this. I've spent many, many years in the private sector looking at financial statements, understanding economies. with my new introduction to, yes, the public sector, This is as well managed as any private enterprise I see. |
| 01:30:35.00 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:30:37.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:37.16 | Thomas Theodores | Go ahead. |
| 01:30:37.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:37.68 | Linda | Mr. Mayor. So I respectfully disagree. I think that in light of the economy, in light of the fact that the grand jury just identified 6.63 million in future health care costs, and we don't know yet whether or not the current data and the OPEB data factored in covers this or not. I just look at the pension liabilities that we don't know and the unknowns. The GASB legislation coming up with heightened transparency and I don't think that 28% liquid reserves is adequate. It doesn't give me comfort. I I think it's too low. And that is my opinion. I really am very concerned when I see a grand jury report, knowing that they received all of the financial data requested and came back with these numbers. So anyway, I look forward to, you know, hopefully being reassured in the near future that that is not something we need to worry about. |
| 01:31:02.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:50.70 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. Charlie, can I ask you a question? So I'm assuming the data that was sent to the grand jury is our financial statements, and that's where these liabilities or these obligations, the OPEB liabilities, are called out as notes in our financial statements. They're not hidden somewhere in some file, and all of a sudden they were uncovered by the grand jury. These are publicly available information. |
| 01:32:09.75 | Unknown | All public documents, actuarial reports, financial statements, and as I've demonstrated in prior financial statements, if we put our unfunded liability for both OPEB and pensions in our financial statements at their full value, we have plenty of net assets to cover the unfunded liabilities. |
| 01:32:17.80 | Una Kavana | but our... |
| 01:32:29.17 | Thomas Theodores | So we're in compliance with all state disclosure requirements and GASB accounting requirements. |
| 01:32:33.66 | Unknown | And it's... And our auditors who give us unqualified opinions every year attesting to that. |
| 01:32:40.49 | Thomas Theodores | Right. So if we had an unsustainable either accumulation of employee, what does OPEB stand for again? Other pension, employment benefits. That we would have A, had to disclose that B, it would have to have been the auditor would have to have mentioned it in their audited financial statements as a note in the audit review that it wasn't being adequately accounted for. |
| 01:32:50.33 | Unknown | Other. |
| 01:33:08.96 | Thomas Theodores | and see if they were, if we were continuing, now that we've closed that pool so there will be no more additions to it. The size of that obligation will not change. It will only shrink over time. Any other? So I just want to say, Charlie, you did a great job. Flipping through your budget is a pleasure. Not that it's a pleasure in general, but it's a pleasure compared to many financial statements and presentations from whatever sector. If you're on any of the JPAs, their presentations are nowhere near this. And even in the public's private sector, it's much more intelligible, easy to understand. |
| 01:33:36.11 | Una Kavana | THE END OF |
| 01:33:36.17 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:33:36.18 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 01:33:36.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:36.25 | Una Kavana | I'm sorry. |
| 01:33:53.78 | Thomas Theodores | accounting so it's never going to be easy for the average person to just sort of take and be delighted in reading it. But I think, you know, the quality of each year, the quality of what you're giving us as work products improves. And thank you very much for that. You make our job a lot easier. And as far as I think the summary you said right in the beginning of all those bullet points that you have essentially helped create and drive and be the problem solver for those. We may have made some hand-waving gestures about what we'd like to do up here, but you're the real where the rubber meets the road in terms of a lot of those accomplishments. You know, that deserves its moment in the sun, not the exploding sun, the regular sun, that you really have led us down the right path in terms of preparing for the future while still taking care of the needs of today as best we could given our financial resources and setting up the city for you know, as the economy improves, as housing prices improve, as our assessed value improves, as sales tax goes up, we're going to have more financial flexibility going forward. than we had before the recession, frankly, because we've restructured the whole balance sheet of the city of Sausalito. dramatically during a period of low economic activity, which is commendable, and you helped us get, you led us down the right path. |
| 01:35:24.96 | Unknown | YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO Thank you very much. |
| 01:35:32.00 | Ray Withy | Any other comments? Well, Charlie, I want to thank you again. You know, when I came on this council seven years ago, You know, we had a choice, either your self-fear or your self-care. And I'm happy to say that And thank you, Charlie, for putting us down the path of care. and not putting fear in us. You've done an excellent job. And we, as a council, will continue to make sure that We care about our residents, not try to put fear into them. So thank you. |
| 01:36:04.02 | Thomas Theodores | One last thing not to – we really owe a lot of thanks to the employees of City of Sausalito because they could have dug their heels in. We have strong balance sheet. We have strong reserves and said, you know, I'm not going to give anything up. I'm not going to let you pass this – do this pension reform or the salary limitation. We're going for two years, three years without salary increases, and then this – three years without – two years without salary increases, and then this cycle, they're not huge salary increases. And there's a big give up on the pension side. And the way some unions can operate is that they're looking out for the guy 10 years down the road and not giving him less benefits than the people get today, and that's not what we put in place. And so, you know, you probably do have better things to do than watch these council meetings, but I would like to thank the employees for stepping up to the plate and putting their skin in the game and helping us create a better sounder financial structure for the city of Sausalio going forward. It really says a lot for their dedication. |
| 01:37:05.74 | Thomas Theodores | I mean, since this IJ article was kind of brought, you know, a little bit out of blue for instance, the recent article, and it did list, of course, virtually every other jurisdiction in Marin having had similar liabilities, but it goes on. Right after they listed it, it says, solutions the jury concluded included Accelerated funding and capping benefits in higher retirement ages. I mean, things that we're doing. So the grand jury pointed out the solutions and wanted to point out, because mainly we want to make sure that, I mean, everyone knows that's watching us here that we are addressing these things and that while we have these... liabilities they are being addressed. And the grand jury concurs. in the type of solutions that we are taking at this point. That we took before they met. |
| 01:37:55.30 | Linda | So, Mr. Mayor, I have a comment. Yeah. So I just, I differentiate fear from open government and transparency. I think it's helpful for people to know the unknowns. The fact that we, that there are some unknowns with regards to as we move forward. I mean the fact that CalPERS actuaries have released information that they're not sure if their actuarial assessments may have been undervalued given the longer lifespans and the potential impact. And the fact that we've got in the next, you know, five years, we know we're going to be having to meet CalPERS new requirements for the 50% coverage of, you know, employee costs. So these are things that we can plan for. Educating people about these, in my mind, it's not a fear issue. It's education. It's transparency. |
| 01:37:56.29 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:37:56.40 | Unknown | you Yeah. |
| 01:39:05.80 | Thomas Theodores | The educator will tell you you have to put the facts out there, not just throw out a number that scares people. You have to put out the facts around that number, and that's part of the whole thing. |
| 01:39:14.65 | Linda | Yeah, and I always put out the facts. |
| 01:39:18.27 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:39:18.29 | Linda | Oh, okay. And if you don't think I put out the facts, I would welcome you to respond in writing with when I have not. |
| 01:39:18.31 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, okay. |
| 01:39:19.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:19.69 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 01:39:19.71 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:39:20.03 | Thomas Theodores | I see. |
| 01:39:20.35 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:39:20.40 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 01:39:20.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:26.73 | Thomas Theodores | I have better things to do with my time. |
| 01:39:28.50 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:39:29.09 | Linda | Well then, |
| 01:39:29.17 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:39:29.31 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:39:29.51 | Unknown | Then... |
| 01:39:30.86 | Linda | If you're not going to step up to it, Jonathan, then |
| 01:39:30.96 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:39:31.01 | Unknown | They're not. |
| 01:39:34.62 | Thomas Theodores | It would take me a good part of month to go through all your newsletters to reply to the misinformation that you've put out there, and you'll take a fact and twist it. Well, I'd like to make a rest of the week. |
| 01:39:43.64 | Linda | Well, I'd like to make a rest of the open. I would welcome you to step up, Jonathan, and provide that feedback in writing. It's not my job to hold you. It is your job. If you're going to slander, hold on. |
| 01:39:49.20 | Thomas Theodores | It's not my job to hold you. It is your job. If you're going to slander, if you're going to libel me in public, if they vote for you, they should reexamine your record. |
| 01:39:55.11 | Linda | It's not going to libel me. In public. If you're going to slander my integrity in public, Jonathan, I would ask you to step up and put it in writing. |
| 01:40:03.43 | Unknown | Hey, I put that in. |
| 01:40:04.00 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 01:40:04.06 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:40:04.07 | Thomas Theodores | to step up and put it in writing. You do it every meeting. You do it every meeting. |
| 01:40:06.99 | Unknown | I mean, |
| 01:40:07.33 | Linda | Bye. |
| 01:40:07.35 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:40:07.36 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:40:09.71 | Ray Withy | Excuse me. |
| 01:40:10.60 | Thomas Theodores | Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion. |
| 01:40:10.84 | Ray Withy | Mayor. Fear or care. You choose. I don't come from the world of fear. They only think the fear is fear itself. |
| 01:40:19.04 | Thomas Theodores | Could I ask whether These resolutions can be made in one motion. Do we need three separate motions? So the first motion is to adopt a resolution approving the appropriation limit for fiscal year 2013 to 2014. pursuant to Article 13 of the California Constitution, the GAN limit. |
| 01:40:46.43 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:40:46.46 | Thomas Theodores | Second. |
| 01:40:48.08 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:40:48.10 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Oh, we got it to, oh, we got it. I'm sorry, call the vote. |
| 01:40:54.36 | Linda | No. |
| 01:40:56.72 | Ray Withy | We haven't called you yet. I thought he took the vote and now we're doing a roll call. You're very predictable. Go ahead. |
| 01:40:57.26 | Linda | I'm sorry. I thought he took the vote and now we're doing a roll call. |
| 01:41:03.32 | Unknown | Council member Fyfer. |
| 01:41:04.38 | Linda | No. |
| 01:41:07.34 | Unknown | Council Member Theodore. |
| 01:41:08.43 | Linda | Yes. |
| 01:41:10.32 | Unknown | Council Member Whitty. |
| 01:41:11.77 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 01:41:13.51 | Unknown | Vice Mayor Leone. |
| 01:41:15.22 | Thomas Theodores | We're voting to say these calculations are correct under the Gantt limit, and some people are voting now that the calculations are incorrect. So I vote yes, they are correct calculations. |
| 01:41:23.74 | Unknown | Mayor Weiner. |
| 01:41:24.60 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 01:41:25.04 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, next. I move to establish the authorized staffing levels and salary ranges for all permanent and temporary positions for fiscal year 2013-14. |
| 01:41:42.00 | Thomas Theodores | second. Thank you. |
| 01:41:43.04 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 01:41:43.31 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:41:45.07 | Unknown | Council Member Fivert. |
| 01:41:46.81 | Linda | No. |
| 01:41:49.44 | Thomas Theodores | Councilman. |
| 01:41:49.49 | Unknown | Council Member Theodoroz. |
| 01:41:50.40 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Yes. |
| 01:41:54.70 | Unknown | Council Member Whitty. |
| 01:41:55.51 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:41:55.53 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 01:41:57.52 | Unknown | Vice Mayor Leone. |
| 01:41:58.37 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 01:41:59.28 | Unknown | Thank you. Mayor Weiner. |
| 01:42:01.15 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. And finally, I move to approve the budget for financial year 2013-14 fiscal year. |
| 01:42:10.84 | Thomas Theodores | Second. |
| 01:42:13.39 | Unknown | Councilmember Pfeiffer. |
| 01:42:14.94 | Linda | No. |
| 01:42:15.92 | Unknown | Thank you. Council Member Theodorus? Yes. Council Member Whitting? Yes. |
| 01:42:18.14 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. Thank you. |
| 01:42:19.70 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 01:42:21.08 | Unknown | Vice Mayor Leone. |
| 01:42:22.13 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 01:42:23.58 | Unknown | Mary Weiner |
| 01:42:24.23 | Ray Withy | Yes. Okay, Charlie, thank you again very, very much. All right, let's move on to the next item, which was 2013 Street Improvement Project, an award contract for construction. Todd T. Chow. Oh, boy, he's a woman. You've got to get used. |
| 01:42:41.43 | Unknown | It still works. |
| 01:42:42.73 | Ray Withy | Well, the name still works. |
| 01:42:53.41 | Todd Teachout | OK. |
| 01:42:57.23 | Ray Withy | Don't be nervous and I'll take it easy. I know it's the last fling down here. |
| 01:43:00.57 | Todd Teachout | The purpose of this item is |
| 01:43:08.18 | Todd Teachout | The purpose of this item is to continue on the discussion of the street program, to review bids, to review the final work scope and to award the contract. We presented, we've been working on the streets, we're always working on the streets, but administratively we've been working on this project since the fall of last year. We first talked to you back in October when we hired the consultant, Kim Lee Horn, to prepare our plans and specifications. And then we met again in February to give you an update of where we were and to get your authorization to proceed to completion and to advertise. We completed the plans in April, and we did a bid opening. We released the project for bidding on April 22nd with a bid opening on a on May 23rd. Despite that 30-day time, we only received two bids. The bids we received were from Majoran Gelati, 987,796. The engineer, Gelati Brothers, was considerably more at 1.4 million. Engineers estimate was 950. So that tells us the economy is starting to warm up and the contractor prices are starting to increase over what they have been. After three or four years of pretty tepid growth, it's coming back. |
| 01:44:22.93 | Una Kavana | I'm delighted. |
| 01:44:45.65 | Ray Withy | You're leaving at a good time, huh? |
| 01:44:48.35 | Todd Teachout | Thank you. We got great value in the past few years. Now it will be a little tougher. This is the work scope of what's being done. |
| 01:44:53.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:01.43 | Todd Teachout | We're doing probably the most significant aspect of the project is we're going to be reconstructing Richardson Street and concrete. um, If we need to, during the course of the plan development, we thought we were going to need to redo the sanitary sewer that had been done previously. So we've got an item in there to see if the laterals are okay as well. If they need to be done, we'll do them. If they don't, we'll not. There's $34,000 in the project budget set aside for the sewer work. That's way below what we initially thought. We thought that the main was shot, but apparently it was redone in the 90s, and it's in pretty good shape. Thank you. Thank you. That's the bulk of it. We're doing a new process this year. We're doing something called a rubberized cape seal, and we're doing that on curry and CloudView and Spencer. And it's a little more robust than a slurry seal, and it's a little more durable. So we're hoping we're going to get good performance out of it. The rest of it is cracked seals. And we've got a few special things which are kind of cleanup from previous projects, like on this side of San Carlos. There's an asphalt shoulder that we weren't able to get to. We're going to try to get to it now. Same thing on Easterby. We have a project to reconstruct the driveway into the Licey Francais on Coloma Street. And then we have an inlet up on Rodeo that we're going to be doing. |
| 01:46:53.09 | Todd Teachout | Here are the streets that are going to receive Cape Seal, second from south to Richardson, Spencer, Atwood, west, fourth, and Curry. Atwood is going to be a little tricky because there's a spring in the road, and we hope we're going to do a little drainage work in there that we hope will capture that and maybe get rid of the drip that's been there forever. Thank you. |
| 01:47:22.69 | Unknown | you |
| 01:47:24.48 | Todd Teachout | Again, we're reconstructing Richardson Street, and we're crack sealing. As you know, Bridgeway was reconstructed or overlaid in 2004, and the last couple of years it's starting to show its age, so we're going to do some crack sealing and some localized patching to start tending to those where age marks before it gets too bad. |
| 01:47:45.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:54.31 | Todd Teachout | Again, the special work is a driveway MLK, San Carlos, and Easterby shoulder pave, the inlet, and oh, I forgot. We're reconstructing the intersection of Turn E at Bonita. As you know, it's very rough, and in February we had a... |
| 01:48:18.36 | Ray Withy | What's in the same hole? Susan Frighton. Thank you. |
| 01:48:20.45 | Todd Teachout | Susan Frank advocate for work on Tourney, and that is absolutely necessary. We weren't able to do her full request, which is to repave that. Hopefully we'll get there in the future. Um, The final work soap, we're repaving one street in concrete, 10 streets with a cape seal, five streets with a craft seal. Three streets are getting just patches, and then the special work is five seats. From an environmental standpoint, all this stuff is maintenance, so it's categorically exempt under two provisions, existing facilities and the minor altering of the land. Actually, I forgot to delete that second part. We don't have sidewalks and retaining walls in this project. There's not really an aesthetic component, so it doesn't require a Planning Commission review. We're recommending a budget in contingency of a little, it's not quite precisely 10%, but we're getting it to a nice round budget number of $1,087,000. The contract that you're being asked to award will not be for $1.87. It will be $987,000. So, um, Our current budget, and now maybe our recent budget, the typical programs that we use to fund this are the street repair program and the base repair program. But the bids came out above that, so we had to supplement that with resources from the sewer fund capital project. Striping program by a lot. The whole striping program was about $125,000, so we're taking a pretty big chunk of that to fund this project. We're entirely taking a project, regrade HECT. HECT Road is a dirt road that provides access to the cell towers and some of the open space. And then finally, some resources from the MLK Fund. to get that 1.087 budget. So we're asking that you award the contract to Majoran Gelati for $987,796.30. We're asking you to authorize the city manager to execute that contract. If I get this back. authorize the state manager to implement change orders up to 99,000 without subsequent approval. If change orders exceed 99,000, we would come back to you and brief you and seek additional authorization. Um, making findings that the project's exempt from CEQA and the zoning. Oops. Uh, And then all these, I wasn't sure how this was going to get timed on the agenda. So if you hadn't adopted the budget yet, you wouldn't have to make all these appropriations. So this is a little bit redundant, given that you've just adopted the budget. This project... draws resources from the current 2012-2013 budget and then pulled resources from the 2013-2014 to fully fund it. So there's a bunch of appropriations that need to be made to make that happen. So the resolution includes language making these appropriations from the street repair fund, from the base repair fund, from the sewer fund district program, defunding regrade HECT and appropriating funds from the MLK fund. So that's our recommendation. But time continues on and we're always looking forward. On the horizon, this is kind of the shortlist for the next project. These are, there's 70 streets in the Using the Payment Management Program and augmenting it, what we know, with a budget allocation of about $475,000, taking what we didn't program from the current list and then adding it to the next list, this is what we came up with for the overlay streets. But still, there's 70 streets total that will be evaluated. 39 of them are crack steel streets, 20 are slurry steel streets, three are Portland cement concrete reconstructions. Clearly we're not going to do all three, but hopefully one of those will be done. And then there are seven asphalt overlays. So it's some pretty, for those of you familiar, Heathway. We get a lot of advocacy for Arana Circle and those who've been urging us on, should be very happy to see this. And then lately we've been getting some comments from Platt. |
| 01:53:51.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:53:51.98 | Una Kavana | and then like, |
| 01:53:54.95 | Todd Teachout | Regrettably, we've gotten some advocacy for work on Edwards, and Edwards at this moment hadn't made it up to that list, but that will be evaluated. So again, the staff recommends to shoot out the resolution. |
| 01:54:05.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:54:05.46 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:54:05.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:54:05.51 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:54:05.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:54:08.56 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, thank you. Any questions? Todd, what would be the timeframe of actual construction? And would it be this summer, fall, or would some of it be after the rainy season? |
| 01:54:21.69 | Todd Teachout | The project that you're being asked to award now will get underway as soon as possible and try to be wrapped up by October. Oh, great. We have 50 working days. |
| 01:54:31.28 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:54:31.30 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:54:31.33 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, great. |
| 01:54:31.84 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, any questions? Okay, any questions at this time from the public? |
| 01:54:34.85 | Todd Teachout | news. |
| 01:54:40.17 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, bring it back up here, comments. Any comments? Okay, do we address these three separately again? the recommended motions. |
| 01:54:54.48 | Unknown | I'm sorry, was it one resolution or anything? Yeah, it's just one resolution. I think it was the one. |
| 01:54:55.81 | Ray Withy | Yeah, it's just one resolution. Okay. All right, so. To adopt a resolution. |
| 01:55:01.27 | Thomas Theodores | All right. Yeah, I'll take the motion. One comment first. So one of the things, and you don't have to get up to it, don't worry about it, is that, you know, we funding this, our contributions from the general fund are funding a good chunk of this, even though we're taking it from some other funds, which wasn't done. The general fund wasn't making contributions to the capital fund four years ago. So it was just going on hoping for the best, that revenues would somehow blossom in the capital funds without actually having to put money aside to pave streets. I just want to remind folks of that. So with that, I'll make a motion to adopt a resolution of the City of Sausalito, finding the project exempt from the application of CEQA, finding the project exempt from the Sausalito Zoning Ordinance Design Review Procedure, and appropriating funds for awarding the project and authorizing the city manager to execute an agreement with Majora and Gelati for construction of the 2013 Street Improvement Project. |
| 01:56:09.03 | Ray Withy | Second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you, Todd. Thanks, Todd. |
| 01:56:11.95 | Thomas Theodores | like. |
| 01:56:18.06 | Thomas Theodores | Any parting thoughts? No, just kidding. |
| 01:56:20.49 | Ray Withy | Thanks, Tom. Okay, last item on the business item is continued discussion on resident parking program and flat rate pricing for parking in municipal parking lots 1 to 4 on certain dates. Jonathan Goldman. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:56:41.74 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:56:41.84 | Ray Withy | of the |
| 01:56:42.02 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:56:42.23 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:56:43.31 | Jonathon Goldman | The staff report you have before you, item 6D, is redlined. It's the same staff report that you saw on June 4th. The changes that I made are redlined, more obvious. I don't think I changed very much in the PowerPoint, but I have both here and what I will do is if it's okay with you, just kind of remind you and the viewing audience and listening audience that The parking equipment that the city acquired initially in 2010, the blue pay stations and the muni lots, have capabilities that we haven't yet taken great advantage of. And one of those capabilities is the ability to over the air change the price for parking. Over the air meaning There's a mothership somewhere that we send orders to that says we want parking to be $20 for a four-hour period starting at midnight Friday and ending at 4 o'clock in the morning Saturday and the mothership says, you know, aye, aye, and they beam the message to the pay stations. And the pay stations won't take anything except $20 to park. during that time period, and when the time period expires, they go back to the normal routine. Not that we would contemplate charging a flat rate from midnight to 4 o'clock in the morning during that time period, but the concept is that the capability is there, and the reason that that capability is desirable is that that There are periods of time when the demand for parking is going to exceed supply, and by implementing a flat rate or demand-based or congestion pricing, we have a much better capability of filling all of the spots in all of our lots. providing parking for the people who are willing to pay the going rate, and that in staff's judgment is the best management of that resource available to us. I also wanted to point out, because questions came up during the course of the last meeting that this was continued from and then subsequently. Um, In 2008, the council passed a resolution that established free parking for residents in Muni Lots 1 and 3. It didn't address free parking for residents in Muni Lot 2. Mini Lot 4 at that time was a permit-only lot and wasn't available to anybody unless they had a permit. As soon, shortly after we acquired this parking equipment, the recognition that the council had the opportunity to extend benefits to residents that weren't there before you passed or your predecessors passed a resolution that added Muni Lot 2 to that equation. And then in 2012, a resolution then extended that benefit to Muni Lot 4. So at this point, a resident can park for three free hours in any one of those four Muni Lots and then pays the going rate for the lot after that. Another change that we have made to staff's recommendations since this item was heard on the 4th I'm flipping through these because I don't remember whether I said it or not. No, it's not even, it's not a change in the PowerPoint. But just to address the concerns that came up about how residents could be treated if we implemented flat rate charges for those lots, at this point, we are recommending that Council adopt this resolution which amends the master fee schedule and then specifically with respect to residents says that no change to the rates charged to resident cardholders may be made under this authority. So fundamentally we're recommending to Council that the city manager as the parking manager be given the authority uh, when there's an expectation of demand for parking exceeding supply, to be able to implement flat rates for certain periods of time, certain days, and there would be no change to how residents are treated under that system. Even if there's flat rate in place, they still get three hours of free parking. So I'm happy to answer any questions that you have or members of the community. |
| 02:01:33.05 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:01:33.07 | Jonathon Goldman | Second question. |
| 02:01:33.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:01:34.16 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:01:34.54 | Ray Withy | questions. |
| 02:01:35.55 | Linda | Yeah, I kind of hate to be the first one to ask the question again. So, um... So my question is that, Jonathan, you mentioned that under the changes here, residents would still always receive their three free hours. That would not be discretionary by the city manager. |
| 02:01:59.80 | Thomas Theodores | That's correct. |
| 02:02:01.52 | Linda | And- After those three hours were used, and if flat rate parking were in place, the residents would not be subjected to that flat rate. That's correct. They would still pay the going rate okay, as normal. And let's see. |
| 02:02:19.24 | Unknown | That's correct. |
| 02:02:22.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:02:22.83 | Unknown | of the, |
| 02:02:34.02 | Linda | Yep, don't have any other questions. |
| 02:02:36.42 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:02:36.74 | Thomas Theodores | Jonathan, and I understand that if |
| 02:02:37.58 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 02:02:40.62 | Thomas Theodores | a resident could choose not using a resident card but using their own credit card to pay the flat rate instead of paying for resident rates if they thought it was to their benefit somehow that the flat rate was beneficial to them, correct? Correct. Thank you. |
| 02:02:57.86 | Linda | Nice. I have another question. |
| 02:02:57.88 | Thomas Theodores | Nice. I have another question. Thank you. |
| 02:02:59.96 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:02:59.98 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 02:02:59.99 | Linda | Go ahead. |
| 02:03:00.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:03:00.85 | Linda | So I don't know this yet because I haven't actually used it yet, but if you're a resident and you park during a flat rate fee period and you've got this three free hours, does it show your balance? In other words, will I know as a resident, oh, I've only got two hours left, so I should pay forward so I don't get a ticket? |
| 02:03:30.33 | Jonathon Goldman | The way That's really two questions, and I'll answer them both, which is a departure from the norm for me. The way the resident card program works, there really isn't a balance. We call them, or I at least call them, Sausalito parking credits. The cards are preloaded with a lot of parking credits because we don't want the residents to have to keep track of |
| 02:03:47.04 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 02:03:47.09 | Unknown | It's about 5,000 hours. |
| 02:03:48.76 | Thomas Theodores | I appreciate it. |
| 02:03:49.42 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 02:04:01.38 | Una Kavana | to have. |
| 02:04:03.83 | Jonathon Goldman | what their balance is or isn't. What we want is for the parking system to keep track of that. So a resident is expected to go to the machine, put their resident card in, and basically tell the machine how long they expect to be there. So if you are there for an event, if you know you're going to be there for more than three hours, what a resident is expected to do is to tell the machine that. You then get a receipt that says, here's when your parking session expires. And the system then keeps track of not only how many credits the resident used, but also when they arrived and when they left. |
| 02:04:34.34 | Una Kavana | Yeah. |
| 02:04:44.77 | Jonathon Goldman | And it's our task to reconcile the two and bill residents for their usage over three hours. |
| 02:04:53.26 | Adam Politzer | and the other side. |
| 02:04:53.34 | Linda | Yes. |
| 02:04:53.97 | Adam Politzer | I don't want to comment you that. It's... One of the most important aspects of this system. was to make sure our residents never got a parking ticket And so the old system where folks would park for their three hours and then get invoiced quarterly is a similar practice today. We still have the ability and we do that with our internal staff, with Jean, and Curtis and Elliot, looking at this information. We want to make sure that residents are never cited and that the Um, the information on the on the machine and with the sensor. lets us know if you've parked there for three hours or for six hours. once you get over the three hours and you would receive an invoice for the balance. |
| 02:05:43.38 | Linda | So follow-up question, if I may, Mr. Mayor. So if I'm a resident and I go up to this kiosk during flat rate parking, and I have already used up an hour somewhere else earlier that day, running errands or something, and now I'm back, and I know technically I have two hours. Is the system going to know that, or is the system going to automatically say, okay, your three hours starts? |
| 02:06:10.83 | Jonathon Goldman | No, the system knows that your card was used for one hour that day. |
| 02:06:15.45 | Linda | So it's up to me as a resident to remember that and the system will tell me. |
| 02:06:19.91 | Jonathon Goldman | The system will tell me. Some residents are going to do that automatically. But as the city manager pointed out, we aren't, and I can't speak for the police chief, who is the department head for the parking enterprise. But we aren't in business to either provide our residents with a poor parking experience or to generate excessive revenues from residents. We're in business to serve residents, so what we have tried to do in designing the system is make it as user friendly as possible within the constraints of the hardware and software that we have. And then also make sure that, and this is a huge advantage of having a resident card program, is that A resident who identifies him or herself as a resident shouldn't get a citation unless their car is stolen, They might get a warning or information from a parking enforcement officer if their license plate is expired or something like that. But the system being able to identify residents allows us to customize the way we interact So, for example, a resident doesn't have to remember that they parked in lot four for an hour and had lunch at Seafood Peddler, and then later in the day want to park in lot one because there are fireworks. All they have to do is let the system know that they're there and that they're a resident, and all of the information necessary to figure out what they should be charged, the system and the software. |
| 02:07:59.20 | Linda | Thank you. So in other words, the answer then is yes. The system would know that I had parked someplace else for an hour, that I had a two-hour balance, and that I needed to pay beyond that. So if I told the system, and my next question I'm asking because I know people who have gotten, at least in the early days, gotten tickets. If I assume I'm going to be there for four hours and actually I'm gone for five, I still won't get a ticket because the system knows that I'm a resident and it will charge my card. Is that what you're saying? |
| 02:08:06.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:08:37.02 | Jonathon Goldman | You should not get a ticket and it's not necessarily because of the system. It's because of the way the operational protocols in the parking enforcement division work. The system is expected to track your actual usage and provide that information so that you can be billed for it, but parking enforcement, knowing that you're a resident, is a Their operational requirements are not to cite for an overstay or something like that. So under the present circumstances, you would not be cited for overstaying your payment in that law. Okay. |
| 02:09:19.76 | Adam Politzer | Can I just add? |
| 02:09:20.69 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:09:21.97 | Adam Politzer | you because the The tail end of your question was, will your card be charged? And that's something that I need to look back into because at one point There was discussion similar to Fast Track that you would have a balance of $100 on there and then that would be deducted so that you wouldn't have to be invoiced or have to worry what your balance was and then you'd be contacted to re-plemish that balance. But we may have went away from that at the beginning and billing quarterly or annually based on the needs. So that might be a question that the Chief needs to answer at a future meeting. |
| 02:09:48.18 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 02:09:48.20 | Jonathon Goldman | and |
| 02:09:57.04 | Jonathon Goldman | And I can answer that. The card is not operating in a stored value mode with respect to dollars. |
| 02:09:57.43 | Adam Politzer | And I think... |
| 02:10:06.42 | Jonathon Goldman | It is simply used to identify you as a resident at this point. |
| 02:10:11.32 | Thomas Theodores | My memory was that Siemens could not... make that work in the beginning. That's why we went away from having a stored value card, is that their system at that time could not create a stored value card. |
| 02:10:24.60 | Jonathon Goldman | It's just as a point of information. Their system can handle stored value cards. The problem is the reconciliation between three free hours and what you owe and things like that. Um, in staff's judgment is far too complicated that way than the way we ended up running the resident card program now. It's easier to do it the way that we do it. |
| 02:10:57.06 | Linda | And I have one last question, which is I just want to make sure as well that in the future, this would never preclude residents from the premier's parking lots, like parking lot one or two. In other words, those would never be reserved just for non-residents to maximize prices |
| 02:11:17.50 | Jonathon Goldman | The recommended amendment to the fee schedule would not give the parking manager the authority to do any of those things that you said you didn't want to happen? |
| 02:11:31.57 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:11:31.79 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:11:31.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:32.74 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:11:33.13 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:11:35.40 | Unknown | Any questions from the public? |
| 02:11:36.91 | Ray Withy | Comments? Okay, do we have a recommended motion? |
| 02:11:43.10 | Linda | Well, I have a comment. |
| 02:11:53.17 | Unknown | you All right. Thank you. |
| 02:11:56.67 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:11:56.75 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:11:58.69 | Thomas Theodores | I move that we adopt a resolution. the City Council amending the revised restated master fee schedule adopted in FY 2008 and nine to authorize flat rate pricing for parking and municipal municipal parking lots. one through four on certain dates and at certain times. |
| 02:12:24.81 | Ray Withy | I have a second. you Second. Okay. All in favor? I have a comment. Opposed? |
| 02:12:28.95 | Linda | I have a comment. I have a comment. |
| 02:12:32.76 | Ray Withy | Anybody opposed? |
| 02:12:33.47 | Linda | Okay, I am really conflicted over this because |
| 02:12:36.58 | Ray Withy | Because... I just want to vote, yes or no? |
| 02:12:38.99 | Linda | Thank you. you Mr. Mayor I would like to comment. Well we that was. My right to comment. |
| 02:12:41.47 | Ray Withy | Well, we, that was... |
| 02:12:44.74 | Linda | I'm really conflicted over this because I appreciate that the city wants to be able to raise revenues through this flat rate parking fee, and I really appreciate the efforts of the council to ensure that residents will not be penalized with this and will avoid having to pay the flat rate fee or will be able to pay a lesser fee. So I really like that. I really appreciate the flexibility the council had in changing that from the last staff report from the last meeting. However, I would like to personally see us look towards bike parking fees, charging for bikes, working out something there before we move to something like this. I feel like we're removing more and more parking spaces and that the drivers are getting hit right and left. I also think that not all residents have the parking cards yet, and so we're going to have to do a lot of outreach there to get this passed. But I am concerned, and I would, I guess, on a matter of principle, like to see us explore ways to raise revenues with charging bike parking fees before we turn to charging big flat fees for premier parking. |
| 02:14:14.65 | Ray Withy | Okay, so all in favor again? Aye. Opposed? |
| 02:14:18.33 | Linda | Bye. No. |
| 02:14:19.89 | Ray Withy | Okay. you Um, you Thank you. Thank you, Jonathan. Dorothy, before you leave, I want to congratulate you for being the Grand Marshal in the July 4th parade. So, congratulations. Yeah. you |
| 02:14:40.96 | Thomas Theodores | We did adopt in the consent items the map that you and Jonathan have been working on. It's been approved and so it'll go out to city residents so that finally we have a map of all the stairs and access. |
| 02:14:55.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:06.76 | Unknown | is Jesus. No, go ahead. It always takes four years to do anything, Dorothy. And I said, well, this is my fourth year, so we've gone on the fifth. But I'm so happy. Go ahead. I'm crying. I'm so happy. |
| 02:15:20.23 | Thomas Theodores | Good. |
| 02:15:20.53 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:15:22.04 | Thomas Theodores | And as far as maps go, it's actually a very good looking map. You know, which, and if some people like maps and some people don't, I kind of like fooling around with maps. And you two working together have created a nice map. It looks very pleasing. |
| 02:15:22.07 | Unknown | in the |
| 02:15:22.29 | Unknown | And as far as |
| 02:15:38.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:39.03 | Unknown | Pleasing. |
| 02:15:45.29 | Thomas Theodores | That's between you and the... They have the purse strings, these guys. Dorothy, the checks and the... |
| 02:15:48.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:15:48.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:48.23 | Linda | Yeah. |
| 02:15:48.50 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:15:48.58 | Linda | I don't know. |
| 02:15:48.63 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:15:48.83 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:15:49.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:49.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:15:49.15 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:15:49.29 | Ray Withy | I'm not. |
| 02:15:49.46 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:15:49.54 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry. |
| 02:15:49.58 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:15:49.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:49.78 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:15:49.80 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:15:49.83 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:15:49.91 | Linda | Yeah. |
| 02:15:49.93 | Ray Withy | Drive it. I'm not in the mail. |
| 02:15:52.06 | Unknown | So, |
| 02:15:52.12 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:15:52.24 | Linda | Dorothy, thank you for your hard work. It's a beautiful map and also Public Works. Thank you for the hard work and also working. Yes, pulling it all together. It's a real service. It's a real service and I think it'll save lives down the road. Thank you. |
| 02:15:56.73 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 02:15:57.17 | Unknown | It's a good day. |
| 02:15:57.19 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 02:16:15.23 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:16:15.97 | Ray Withy | Wonderful. I want to take, we're almost finished. We got 10 minutes. City managers report in five words or less. |
| 02:16:26.82 | Adam Politzer | Five points are a mess. We're at 9.20, I got all the weight. |
| 02:16:29.82 | Ray Withy | I know, but it's either that or break time. So I think we can go through this. |
| 02:16:35.07 | Adam Politzer | Okay, mine will be very, very quick. |
| 02:16:36.74 | Ray Withy | Thank you again, Dorothy. Thanks, thank you, Dorothy. See you July 4th. |
| 02:16:41.94 | Adam Politzer | Reminder, MCCMC in Novato, and we put out a special request for you guys to make as much effort as possible. being on the northern end of the county like we are on the southern end of the county, it's difficult for people to drive up to Novato during commute traffic time. There's not a lot of incentive but they really appreciate when we make the effort to be there. and just as we asked them to make the effort to come down to Sausalito, on the, when we host the MCCMC. And just another plug of why it's really important that you folks are there. You know, we're a team, not just here in the city, but we're a team in the county. the networking opportunity that it's not a public meeting, it's not a meeting where you have official business where you can have the the reception time from 6 to 7 to mingle and catch up and talk about things that we may all be struggling with. or celebrating. is really important, and then usually the dinner opportunity and the presentation both on standing boards and commissions, that the MCC MC facilitate are also important opportunities to get updated on what's going countywide And then there's usually an interesting speaker that is sharing information we may want to bring back to our own community. A plug to attend next week's MCCMC. Adam, can I ask a question? |
| 02:18:07.51 | Linda | Adam, can I ask a question? |
| 02:18:09.05 | Ray Withy | is my last. |
| 02:18:09.64 | Adam Politzer | meeting. |
| 02:18:10.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:18:10.06 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:18:10.48 | Linda | Who is the speaker and what is the topic and also what is the date? I'm sorry, Debbie sent an email. |
| 02:18:18.11 | Ray Withy | Debbie sent an email. The date is a week from tomorrow. |
| 02:18:21.43 | Adam Politzer | The 26 is to be. |
| 02:18:21.79 | Linda | The 26? Okay, I can go. |
| 02:18:23.02 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:18:23.05 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:18:23.10 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:18:23.16 | Adam Politzer | Okay, I can move. There was also a special invitation sent out probably from both the MCC, MC, Secretary, and from the city of Novato, city manager, and probably Pat Eklund or the current mayor. trying to reach out to folks as well. But on the invitation it has the location. It's a different location than usual. And the speaker, I can't recall what the speaker was, but I'm |
| 02:18:51.37 | Linda | What's the topic? Do you remember? No? |
| 02:18:51.40 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. I can't remember, but I'll flip that over to you tomorrow. and to the rest of the council so it's at your fingertips. |
| 02:18:56.40 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:18:59.32 | Adam Politzer | I mentioned Todd's retirement party, and so we will do that on Thursday at 4.30 down in the Edgewater Room. probably go about an hour and a half because Todd is not all that interested in having a big celebration. So and he's definitely not interested in having a lot of speeches. So if you can stop by, even if it's for the last 10 minutes, please do so, but probably between 5.30 and 6, it will probably wrap up. So if you can't make it, just send them a personal note. I also appreciate that as well as the words you gave this evening. We've been advertising or we started the advertising for the marine ships The Marineship Task Force, I'm not recalling the exact title of what the council named But again, want to remind the council members to reach out to the community and to encourage FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO APPLY AND RESIDENTS TO APPLY. The Planning Commission appointed Bill Werner A MEETING OR TWO BACK AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE City Council has appointed Ray and Tom. as the council liaisons to that. So we'd like to make sure that we get a good pool of candidates so that we can start interviewing them. Um, prior to us going on break in August so that you see that also on our future agenda. outlook is to to start the appointment process in July. assuming that we have a good pool of candidates Last on here, hopefully you had a chance to take a look at it, but open City Hall. for Sausalito has been posted. Um. And we've asked kind of a general question on how would you like this use this tool, what topics would you like to see in the future? And so far we have six responses. I'm happy being the former park and rec director three of them are really related to parks. more beautification, which One was on parks and its funding and maintenance looking for future discussion on how to improve funding and maintenance of our it to continue to improve our parks. The other was from the Friends of Dumfrey Park, from Jacques Gorman, looking to promote the public forum. and using this tool to get the community's feedback as they go forward on the master plan of Dunphy Park. and hope to use this tool to get public participation. The third one was the trees on the median from Napa to the north city limits to see how we can improve the quality of the landscaping specifically to the trees. And then the other comments were thank yous for creating this tool and putting it forward. I believe there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 folks that have VIEWED IT BUT HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO post a comment. I encourage your friends and colleagues neighbors, to visit the site, we'll continue to publicize it through the currents and in the MarinScope and IJ on the website. and through our boards and commissions The Sustainability Commission had it on its agenda last week. TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEM THAT THEY PRESENTED AT THE COUNCIL ON and recycling and how to get the community more aware and to be more actively participating. may very well be the next posting that you see on the open. City Hall. That concludes my report. Happy to answer any specific questions that you folks may have. |
| 02:22:43.42 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:22:43.47 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:22:43.57 | Ray Withy | Any questions? |
| 02:22:44.31 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:22:44.99 | Linda | Yes, I have a question related to the parks and playgrounds. So I've had a couple of residents ask me about the Southview Playground And I guess with respect to also the locks and security with respect, I know that I received a very extensive kind of debrief from Public Works on one of the parks. I think it was Southview. But I was wondering if you had any comment with regards to a game plan for bringing that park up to, you know, to snuff and, you know, fixing the locks on it and, you know, the playground in general. Thank you. |
| 02:23:23.12 | Adam Politzer | you Yeah, I'm not sure what the locks are. I was told one of the residents |
| 02:23:27.70 | Linda | I was told one of the residents said something about security or safety, I guess, and access. There are no. |
| 02:23:35.33 | Ray Withy | There are no larks on South. |
| 02:23:37.22 | Linda | Okay, I don't know then what this question is. |
| 02:23:38.31 | Adam Politzer | There may be the occasion where we need to lock a park because there may be an unsafe condition and so we need to keep them out. I'm not aware. |
| 02:23:43.68 | Linda | Okay. |
| 02:23:46.50 | Adam Politzer | that we've put on anything. It would be on the tennis court if anywhere, but I'm not aware. I think we've shored that out. There isn't. I watch it every morning. But as of tonight, you passed the budget and there is a significant amount of money |
| 02:23:51.91 | Ray Withy | There isn't. I watch it every morning. |
| 02:24:00.22 | Adam Politzer | Um, program for continuing to do the engineering on the retaining walls that need to be addressed first. And Public Works has been working on that for the last couple of months with the money that's been in the existing budget as we move forward. And then there is an effort |
| 02:24:07.44 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 02:24:07.88 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:24:17.31 | Adam Politzer | that We hope the community will be able to support. It's come from the community. Several members of the community have said that they are willing to help fund the improvements needed for that park. and we put an estimate in the budget of $1 million with a matching gift of $1 million coming from the community TO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT. But we can't get to that part until we understand the engineering challenges that that park may face with the retaining wall that's above homes on the south side. And then the retaining walls above the tennis court and the playground. and then the retaining walls that are above the playground on the top, so you've got three tiers. retaining walls that all need to be evaluated. |
| 02:25:04.36 | Linda | Okay, thank you, Adam. |
| 02:25:07.38 | Ray Withy | Okay. Um. Okay, let's move on to the next item, and that would be future agenda items. Thank you, Adam. Any future agenda item? |
| 02:25:20.29 | Unknown | is uh is Thank you. |
| 02:25:21.98 | Ray Withy | So, yeah. |
| 02:25:22.15 | Unknown | I'll ask you to have to. |
| 02:25:22.90 | Ray Withy | Okay. Public comment on that? Questions? No? Okay. The appointments to the pedestrian bicycle. |
| 02:25:31.71 | Thomas Theodores | I should do. |
| 02:25:33.72 | Ray Withy | Oh, I'm sorry. Right there. Committee, Council Member Committee reports. |
| 02:25:34.02 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:25:37.35 | Thomas Theodores | I've found it. I have two. The Ford Baker Improvement Task Force had its first meeting on June 14th. at Fort Baker. And we met to organize ourselves and to take a look at the property, and we walked the property together. And we are going to meet with the Park Service on July 16th. So it's a mix. We also attended the meeting on June 12th of the Marin Telecommunications Agency. And, uh, They were just. two things of significance. One is we passed the budget for FY13-14 and did not have any major changes from last year's budget, so there's nothing that we really need to be concerned about. But we were put on notice that the community center, the media center, feels that there was a presentation on their budget and that they feel that they need more money beyond the PEG fees that they get under the current statutory uh, organization right now. So we will, we discussed that, no decision was made. There will be some, there's a task, a subcommittee that's working with the media center to negotiate with them. There are no agreement and there will be some efforts in that. venue to possibly work with them to manage it. I just want to alert this Council that we may have a visit from the Media Center giving a presentation and possibly making a pitch for further funds and some to contribute some of our franchise fees. But I'll alert you when that's happening. They'll work with the city to put it on their agenda. |
| 02:27:15.83 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you for that. Yeah. |
| 02:27:19.70 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:27:19.73 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:27:19.76 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:27:19.78 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:27:20.03 | Thomas Theodores | I fear this may go on a while. |
| 02:27:20.17 | Ray Withy | I think... |
| 02:27:24.17 | Thomas Theodores | No wonder you wanted a break. I, you know. Can we take a break? I think we're going to take a break. |
| 02:27:24.24 | Ray Withy | The one thing you want. |
| 02:27:25.03 | Unknown | I, you know. |
| 02:27:28.05 | Todd Teachout | you |
| 02:27:28.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:30.83 | Thomas Theodores | So as you know, back at the beginning of the year, I was appointed as an ABAC delegate. And first of all, I think there needs to be a little bit of clarification as to what the ABAG delegate is. The ABAG delegate is a delegate to the General Assembly of ABAG. And the General Assembly meets twice a year. And it basically doesn't have much power. OK. It's perfunctory appointments and approvals of various kinds. And the next one is in September. So that's all as a city. we have in terms of direct representation. Um, But what I've been doing is tracking ABAG and their subcommittee meetings, and in particular felt it my duty to track what was going on with Plan Bay Area. Um, because there are some deadlines looming and they're fairly significant. So if you'll just bear with me, I need to go through a reasonably complex series to help explain this. |
| 02:28:50.62 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 02:28:59.43 | Thomas Theodores | So as you know, we had Plan Bay area is being... administered, if you will, and reaching approval as a joint effort of MTC, Metropolitan Transportation Commission, and ABAG. So it's not just ABAG. And this is Plan Day area is basically an implementation of state law. It's also something that must be implemented before the final reallocation for the cities can be made. So basically, The end result of all of this is on July 18th, a joint meeting of the MTC and ABAG Executive Committee, that's July 18th, will, it is planned, most likely approve Planbrick Bay Area. And they unless everything goes up, they have no choice. Because if they have about a day or two leeway, and if it's not approved by July 18, the whole RHNA allocation process must begin again. So that's what's driving the timeline. Now, we had a presentation on May 7 from I can't remember her name, from the Diane. And we followed up with comments and several letters from the city were prepared and sent. including a request to extend the comment period for both Plan Bay area and Thank you. the EIR. Um, It transpires that three days later, the The planning committee of MTC and ABAG actually voted not to extend the period simply because of this whole time constraints and that's a done deal Okay? The Thank you. That was actually the day of our strategic planning retreat, by the way, just so that you can get the time frame in mind. on June 14th, Last Friday in Oakland, they have their meetings in Oakland, The adjoint meeting of the planning committee for MTC and the Administrative Committee of ABAC met to receive the comments. I... because I have no life, apparently. This is a good one. Trekked over to Oakland and I'm |
| 02:32:01.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:01.32 | Thomas Theodores | No, no. Apparently. This is a good one. Trekked over to Oakland. |
| 02:32:10.03 | Thomas Theodores | sat through the four-hour meeting, actually stood through three of the four hours, which included two hours of public comment. Um, And to receive public comments and to that joint committee to recommend any changes to Plan Bay area should it be needed. There were some few staff, the staff of both ABAC and MTC made a few relatively minor comments, some use of cap and trade funds and allocation which is all rather technical, some tweaking of forecasts for some of the big cities but essentially nothing major. um, to important issues emerged, however, and that is Um, First of all, there was a request that the on prior to the 18th of July. that the ABAC Executive Committee and MTC consider actually receiving a vote from all of the city delegates. to either approve or not approve Plan B area. That has not been decided. That's going to be decided actually on Thursday at ABAC's Executive Committee meeting. I doubt very much whether that would proceed. Um, As I said, the train is left the tracks and I see no reason from that anybody's going to change anything, to be frank. Um, However, To get back to the point that we have no direct representation, the only representation we have on ABAG is actually through one individual that represents the Marin County cities. and that person is elected by the Marin County. I guess it's elected by MCCMC, right? And that's Pat Eklund from Nevada. Okay. She informed on the joint committee on June 14th that it's her intention to call together the city delegates of Marin, so the General Assembly city delegates from Marin. to vote on Plan Bay Area. and that she will determine her vote at the July 18th joint meeting to finally approve it or not based on that delegate vote. Which means that We, have Either we can choose to ignore this, or we can choose to either at a regularly scheduled meeting or at the next City Council meeting. vote on Plan B area to inform its delegate, i.e. me, how the city of Sorceredo is going to vote at the Marine Delegates meeting that Pat will then take forward. So that's the issue. So this is sort of either a committee report, not quite a future agenda item, not quite whatever you want to do. So that's the story. Okay? And obviously, As I said, I've been trying to track the progress, figure out what's going on. I do not believe that meeting has been scheduled. There are some administrative issues anyway because I am having trouble getting correspondence from them but that is being sorted out. and I could not possibly go into that meeting and just vote my personal view. Obviously there would need to be a city vote to determine, city council vote, to determine what our position is. I don't, this has not been agendized for tonight, therefore we should not be discussing its merits, We need to decide. whether we're gonna put this on the future agenda item to inform the committee. |
| 02:36:45.46 | Thomas Theodores | When was the anticipated |
| 02:36:46.70 | Thomas Theodores | I'm not sure. vote of the Marin delegates? That has not been scheduled. But before the 18th? It's got to be before the 18th, because she needs to go into that meeting on the 18th. |
| 02:36:49.67 | Thomas Theodores | 18th. |
| 02:36:54.10 | Unknown | 18. Thank you. our meetings on the night. I don't know if you get the |
| 02:36:59.39 | Thomas Theodores | Our next schedule meeting is on the 9th. We don't know. So what I've already alerted city staff to the fact that they need to inform Pat that |
| 02:37:00.91 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:37:11.10 | Thomas Theodores | Unless we have a special city council meeting, she can't organize her meeting until after the 9th. So we haven't yet received a response. So that's the update. That's a good update. |
| 02:37:16.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:21.61 | Linda | So that's... |
| 02:37:22.44 | Unknown | That's great. |
| 02:37:22.74 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:37:22.84 | Linda | Please. And I mean... |
| 02:37:26.08 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. and |
| 02:37:30.40 | Linda | We can't discuss it. We can have a motion. to hold this on the July 9th meeting. So, and put it on the agenda. Is there a consensus to put it on the agenda? |
| 02:37:44.80 | Thomas Theodores | We don't know if we'll have to have a special meeting, whatever timing is going on here or not. We'll have to wait and see. But I think the idea would be to have a |
| 02:37:46.38 | Una Kavana | I'm sorry. |
| 02:37:50.06 | Una Kavana | We'll have to wait and see. |
| 02:37:56.15 | Thomas Theodores | have it on the agenda before whatever this meeting is, whenever that meeting is, because we don't know when the meeting is. You don't have to, if that's the case, then we'll have to have a special |
| 02:38:03.97 | Ray Withy | meeting before then. |
| 02:38:04.98 | Thomas Theodores | So there's a consensus that there must be a vote. Good. |
| 02:38:06.14 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:38:08.08 | Linda | Good. So I move to have a council vote on Plan Bay Area prior to Representative Pat Eklund's delegate vote on Plan Bay Area. |
| 02:38:25.36 | Thomas Theodores | you If there is, I think there is, why don't we just go with the consensus, if there is such meeting, that we should have a meeting before that meeting to determine a vote. And if it's the regular, rather than call a meeting, we don't even know when we would be making a motion to call a meeting. |
| 02:38:27.66 | Una Kavana | And we're going to... |
| 02:38:28.06 | Unknown | It's... |
| 02:38:28.35 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 02:38:41.38 | Linda | So I'm... you |
| 02:38:43.03 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 02:38:43.12 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 02:38:43.35 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:38:43.39 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:38:43.40 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:38:43.47 | Linda | Okay. All right. I just... We've taken motions before on this sort of thing, so... |
| 02:38:43.52 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. Okay. That's very good. |
| 02:38:45.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:38:47.72 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:38:47.74 | Thomas Theodores | I love you. Can you just explore a little bit what a special meeting might involve? I know there are certain emergency meetings we can take. |
| 02:38:56.53 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. Yes, this is relatively new information within probably less than 24 hours, Ray and I have had this. conversation. Uh, So. I think we need to reach out to Pat Eklund and make sure that we understand what the timing is If they can't wait for us to meet, which would be July 9th. then we would call a special meeting which we would post 24 hours in advance. That's all that we need to do. and there would be a single-item agenda. We'd come and have the staff report, and then the council would ask questions. and deliberate and give direction. |
| 02:39:37.30 | Thomas Theodores | Is he right because there's a reason why you're here tonight? So if he's wrong, correct him, otherwise you've wasted your whole evening. |
| 02:39:40.69 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:39:40.71 | Linda | Great. That's exactly right. You just can't. |
| 02:39:46.03 | Una Kavana | take action on ordinances and resolutions at a special meeting, but you can do these type of things. |
| 02:39:51.27 | Thomas Theodores | And Ray, I don't know. |
| 02:39:51.82 | Ray Withy | I'm glad he brought that up now. |
| 02:39:55.93 | Thomas Theodores | May I ask one more question for you, to the extent you know you started off that I mean, the reason... that ABAG and MTC did not extend the timing was the RHNA numbers would have to be redone. |
| 02:40:10.12 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:40:10.46 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. for the next cycle, you mean? |
| 02:40:12.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:40:12.28 | Thomas Theodores | No. So, might you explain what would be the problem if they had to be redone? And what would be the problem? |
| 02:40:12.96 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:40:13.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:40:13.13 | Ray Withy | So this I think. |
| 02:40:14.95 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 02:40:20.06 | Thomas Theodores | She's... |
| 02:40:20.47 | Thomas Theodores | I mean, maybe explain for us. |
| 02:40:20.50 | Thomas Theodores | I mean... |
| 02:40:21.43 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 02:40:21.45 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:40:21.58 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:40:21.60 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Yeah. I'm just getting into this, so it does relate to the housing element stuff, RENA, so I've had some exposure to this in the past. As part of what bill is it? SB, I can't remember. SB 375. Is it? Yeah, SB 375. It... |
| 02:40:42.24 | Linda | SP-375. |
| 02:40:50.14 | Thomas Theodores | created the law was changed such that this sustainability, I can't even remember what the actual designation is, Sustainability. Sustainability. Community. Planning, right. Had to be adopted. |
| 02:41:02.64 | Linda | Sustainability. plant. |
| 02:41:09.58 | Thomas Theodores | by each governing body, and ABAG is the governing body that sets Rhina numbers, prior to the RENA numbers for the next cycle being determined. We have over the last year been receiving draft numbers. And then the final RHNA numbers that were being proposed for Sausalito, which is a very modest number, I think it's down to 79 units, was probably finalized on about a week ago. I don't know if we've received yet formal notice of, yeah, okay. But essentially it's a figure of 79, as opposed to several hundred or so, 162 or whatever it was. To go through the process of setting Reno numbers involves analysis, hearings, appeal processes, all of which has statutory time limits. So basically it could delay the remit numbers for a year. I mean, if you want my personal opinion, we want marina numbers issued as they are right now. We absolutely do. It would not be good to go through this whole process. |
| 02:42:44.95 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Mr. Mayor, can I just suggest that we're getting to the |
| 02:42:46.83 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 02:42:48.53 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, so anyway, fair enough. That was a personal deal. Anyway, so I think you, |
| 02:42:49.58 | Adam Politzer | Line. |
| 02:42:50.44 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:42:55.01 | Thomas Theodores | Did you kick him or something? |
| 02:42:56.34 | Thomas Theodores | You know, you don't, you know, I think the, because of all of that, it would mean in order to comply with the law, you'd have to restart the whole process and then go through all of this public stuff. |
| 02:43:09.24 | Linda | They'd have to, but they're not going to change our arena because they'd have to change their logic and the calculations they used to create our arena. |
| 02:43:10.47 | Thomas Theodores | We're going to change our arena because they have to change. to get the results. |
| 02:43:15.70 | Ray Withy | We used to carry over now. And okay, thank you for that report. All right, let's move on to the next item. Appointments to pedestrian bicycle advisory. Are we ready to do that tonight or by no later than the July 9th meeting? I recommend that we do pick this committee. And since we only had the last applicant interviewed tonight, Why don't we make sure that we're definitely on July 9th meeting to pick this, so be prepared to put the names in for that, please. |
| 02:43:54.12 | Linda | And Debbie, Mr. Mayor, I have a related request. Go ahead. If we could get the list, like the full list of all the applicants when we are... |
| 02:43:57.33 | Ray Withy | Go ahead. |
| 02:44:06.78 | Linda | I'm sorry. |
| 02:44:07.01 | Unknown | the earlier applications? |
| 02:44:09.85 | Linda | No, we have all of their applications. You just need the names. I just want the names, just to refresh my memory. It's an S&P. It's an S&P. Oh, okay. Sorry, sorry. I looked. Mr. Mayor, can I... |
| 02:44:10.25 | Thomas Theodores | That's the name. |
| 02:44:10.85 | Unknown | have all of their |
| 02:44:11.84 | Thomas Theodores | you. |
| 02:44:11.89 | Unknown | You just need the names. |
| 02:44:12.97 | Adam Politzer | I just want the names just to reflect. |
| 02:44:14.54 | Unknown | My memory. Oh. |
| 02:44:19.96 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, can I just comment here on the process and Obviously, you are in the Council King move this, continue this item to the July 9th meeting. |
| 02:44:30.81 | Una Kavana | to |
| 02:44:33.63 | Adam Politzer | But it's really important. It's not just the appointment of who's the pool of candidates that are before you now. It's also defining If you're gonna have a committee of five, Thank you. |
| 02:44:46.08 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 02:44:46.62 | Adam Politzer | or a committee of seven. |
| 02:44:48.17 | Ray Withy | Five plus two. Right. None voted. |
| 02:44:49.25 | Adam Politzer | Right. Yeah, or seven plus two. No, it's going to be five plus. I'm just clarifying what your choices are. And the mayor traditionally says, |
| 02:44:51.41 | Ray Withy | No, it's gonna be five plus. Okay. |
| 02:45:00.42 | Adam Politzer | This is my nominations, my slate, and so in your case you would be nominating five, plus 2. And then you would be calling for... |
| 02:45:07.68 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 02:45:09.89 | Adam Politzer | Other nominations. Other nominations from the other council members if there are. If there are no other nominations, if there is agreement that the mayor's slate is appropriate, then you're done and you would approve based on that. If there are additional, if another council member nominates one or more folks, then you'll go through the process of voting on those staff. |
| 02:45:10.48 | Ray Withy | Other nominees. |
| 02:45:14.57 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 02:45:27.27 | Una Kavana | Based on... |
| 02:45:36.55 | Una Kavana | process. |
| 02:45:42.76 | Adam Politzer | on those appointments. The other part that was important that was called out in the staff report was that you have to decide the terms. So is there two and three year terms? And so as the mayor makes the nominations for the slate, you're going to place them in either a three year term or a two year term. And then as other members of the council make nominations, they would also have to distinguish which slot that they are being put in. |
| 02:46:11.47 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:46:13.88 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:46:14.25 | Thomas Theodores | Can I make a point here? I would, before you even appoint people I'm not sure exactly what you want this group to do. You know, and so we might want to make this an agenda item to just before you let's, what are these people going to be doing and interacting with which staff members and what's their function? You know, I guess we have bike issues, but like what do we hope? We might want to just like, hey, here's the mission of this committee. |
| 02:46:38.57 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. It does have a mission. It's already been at one point. It is a stated mission. Did you want more detail? |
| 02:46:43.36 | Thomas Theodores | One point. No, is this a separate mission than the bike and ped, whatever the thing that's in the bike plan? |
| 02:46:53.84 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, on the attached resolution, that again is the existing purpose. |
| 02:47:02.45 | Thomas Theodores | But what output do you want from that? |
| 02:47:04.15 | Adam Politzer | I think that the council, when they make the appointments, can give some general direction to staff. But at the end of the day, the body needs to come together, meet with staff. Obviously, our public works director, our police chief, have been actively involved in this. We would invite them to participate, obviously, to give some background, give some information, and then let the committee come up with some priorities on where they want to begin and then come back and share that with the council and get the council's blessing to move in that direction. |
| 02:47:37.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:47:37.90 | Unknown | Blessing. directions. |
| 02:47:40.33 | Adam Politzer | I think that we all recognize that the Bicycle and Pedestrian Committee is to look at the entire spectrum from the north to the west in terms of bicycle and pedestrian needs. But in past discussions and Dorothy Gibson just being here earlier tonight, we've also talked about pedestrian needs up and down, you know, the hills. So I think the committee with staff's help, |
| 02:48:04.01 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 02:48:06.29 | Adam Politzer | We'll be able to look at maybe some of the hot spots and have those discussions first. I think the discussion on Humboldt downtown raise a bunch of conversations about the Bicycle, we used the word bicycle facilities and that generated a lot of discussion here at the council meeting. You know, there's an opportunity to bring the pedestrian and bicycle committee in there. I would urge the council not to get too engaged in that, give some general direction after you make the appointments and then let staff work with the committee to set the priorities, come back to the council with those priorities and get your input and direction. you |
| 02:48:49.60 | Thomas Theodores | Can I ask a specific question? Is that allowed? |
| 02:48:50.25 | Adam Politzer | Can I? |
| 02:48:54.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:48:54.89 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. Does this committee actually have a written charter? |
| 02:48:59.54 | Thomas Theodores | It's just these three billboards. |
| 02:49:00.79 | Thomas Theodores | Or is it the three bullet points put in the draft resolution? |
| 02:49:06.50 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:49:06.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:49:06.68 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 02:49:07.19 | Unknown | I don't know where it is because it's not in the fact that there's another charter for it. |
| 02:49:10.53 | Thomas Theodores | Isn't there a charter that we attached that the Council passed this in 2011? Is that correct? And that was part of one of our packets. Not in this one. Not in this one? Debbie, anything? Okay. |
| 02:49:20.50 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:49:25.06 | Unknown | If you look at the attachment number one to item 7D, Thank you. |
| 02:49:30.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:49:30.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:49:30.54 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:49:30.68 | Unknown | That is resolution 5227. Thank you. It's not the three bullet points. Well, yeah, it's kind of those three bullet points. Yes, you're right. But then where I drew some of the issues from is the last paragraph. on the first page. where it says bid for the result. Thank you. and then it talks about the mixture of pedestrian and bicycle advocates. Blah blah, interested in developing non-motorized |
| 02:49:55.87 | Una Kavana | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:49:56.08 | Unknown | . |
| 02:49:56.12 | Una Kavana | Bye. |
| 02:49:58.94 | Unknown | and environmentally sustainable modes of transportation as well as balanced interest in the community development |
| 02:50:03.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:50:07.52 | Unknown | So that is, yeah, that's your charge. |
| 02:50:12.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:50:12.73 | Unknown | Do you want me to... |
| 02:50:13.52 | Ray Withy | Do you want to continue these names or do you want me to put something? What would you rather do? |
| 02:50:19.18 | Unknown | Your choice. Continue. If you need more time because of the the establishment of the terms if you need more time because of that. |
| 02:50:27.31 | Unknown | Does that interfere with the names? I could throw out the name. OK. And let's. |
| 02:50:27.70 | Unknown | Does that interfere with the name? |
| 02:50:31.29 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, the recommendations that I have here are... You have a page. Head for it. Tom Wiley, Patricia Pigman, and John Fox. Is that five? One, two, three, four, five, five. |
| 02:50:56.20 | Unknown | I have some |
| 02:50:56.89 | Linda | I have some nominees. |
| 02:50:57.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:01.42 | Linda | ahead. And I actually support the seven member committee with two, is it, is this? |
| 02:51:13.11 | Ray Withy | It's either five, no, five plus two non-voting members or seven plus two non-voting members. |
| 02:51:13.67 | Linda | Is it 7? |
| 02:51:19.84 | Linda | Yeah, so I support seven plus two non-voting members to get full representation. And I would nominate... Patricia Pigman, Leda Sanford, Uh... Let's see, Tav McIntosh, no, Maktivish. Michael Gordon. Sue Dunlap. Bob Cassini. and Matt Farrar with the two advisory members, Roger Brindle and John Cox. |
| 02:52:10.48 | Ray Withy | First of all, is it what we choose? I chose five. |
| 02:52:18.16 | Adam Politzer | If you need to also identify the two non-voting members. |
| 02:52:24.19 | Ray Withy | And that would be comprised of anybody from the city or just anybody. |
| 02:52:30.53 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. on this list that's before you. Thank you. |
| 02:52:35.58 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:52:35.83 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:52:35.86 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:52:36.00 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:52:36.03 | Thomas Theodores | for a point of Point of clarification. I just My understanding, and I might be wrong on this, We were going to select a committee of five to seven residents and have two non-voting members, but I thought they were, might be non-residents who might be bicycle advocates or whatever they might be, in which case we haven't had the opportunity to interview those two non-votees, if that's the case. And by the way, I would advocate that being the case. |
| 02:53:04.99 | Adam Politzer | that's the best. |
| 02:53:08.79 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think what the Vice Mayor shared, which I'm in agreement with, is traditionally, you would call for all people to apply. and then out of that pool you would put them in the categories of either five or seven, And then, two nominees. you I would recommend that if you want to look at additional candidates. to continue this item to July 9th. to make sure that One, we post something in the currents, and two, give the council members an opportunity recommend names and send those names on to the city clerk so that we can include that into the staff report at the next meeting. I'll just use the name, Tony Tom. He's been appointed to other task force in the past. So if that was in fact someone that you wanted to nominate and you didn't interview them and you're not on this list. One, you'd want to ask them if you'd even want to be considered. And if he said yes, then you would send that name on to the city clerk. I'm not sure. and then, Also, For clarification, you may want to first start tonight by just saying do we want it to be a five-member Task Force. and a seven member. so that when we call for nominations either tonight We're calling for five plus two. or seven. Plus two. and eliminate one of those tonight so that we aren't having that discussion Thank you. um |
| 02:54:34.50 | Unknown | I've been, yeah, |
| 02:54:35.59 | Thomas Theodores | continue. |
| 02:54:35.61 | Adam Politzer | continue and have that discussion. |
| 02:54:36.82 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Well, but... Can we? I mean, certainly I agree that we probably should select |
| 02:54:38.56 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 02:54:43.30 | Thomas Theodores | the composition of the committee, whether it's 5 plus 2 or 7 plus 2, Can we elect the voting members tonight and defer on the non-voting? It would be nice some of this. done, out of the way. And certainly we want to vote on the composition, but I'd certainly take it to the next level. |
| 02:54:54.98 | Adam Politzer | Done. |
| 02:54:59.27 | Adam Politzer | That's it. That's at the discretion of the council. |
| 02:55:02.63 | Thomas Theodores | So... |
| 02:55:03.98 | Thomas Theodores | Could I... You sort of ask generally of us, or staff, what is the purpose of the plus two? What are we trying to achieve there? Are we trying to, they are non-voting members, so, and possibly non-residents, are they experts, are they more, say like, a member of the biking coalition or a member of some, you know, something like that. In which case, those two might be worth just delaying rather than... |
| 02:55:28.60 | Unknown | Absolutely. |
| 02:55:28.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:55:29.09 | Una Kavana | Yeah. |
| 02:55:36.41 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Right, and following, so any of you three, so is this committee one of the ones that will be subject to our committee ordinance, whatever that one is, I forget the number. So the reason to have two non-voting would be so you could have non-residents as members. Otherwise, there's no point. |
| 02:55:38.43 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:55:55.75 | Thomas Theodores | But the one thing I would ask you to consider, and maybe delay this anyway, is that, so a you want to sort of make your enemies your friends in some cases. And in this case, without having input from whether it's the Bike Coalition or the, blazing saddles or some representative of the tourist bikes, you're not – I look back at the cellular – the mobile phone tower ordinance or whatever we passed eight years ago or whatever it was, and you had all five major carriers at the time as part of that, non-voting members of that task force. And they educated people a fair amount about what the issues were on their side, right? Or what, frankly, they educated us also about what we could and couldn't do because there's a lot you can't do in that world because it's all federally regulated. In this case, it's great to have the citizens involved, but it's also, I think, might be good to have some direct representation of these other interest groups, not because they're voting, they couldn't vote, but because they're going to just educate the residents as to, okay, well, here's the reality from my point of view. Whether you agree with their point of view or not, it's totally different, but at least you get that information |
| 02:56:56.97 | Una Kavana | because they're going to be |
| 02:57:07.65 | Ray Withy | No, I agree, but I still think the names we have tonight, they're residents. And could we put aside the alternate, the non-voting to be recommended for the next meeting? That gives us enough time. |
| 02:57:07.67 | Thomas Theodores | No, no. |
| 02:57:28.58 | Linda | And Mr. Mayor, I'd like to comment too. Yep. So with respect to inviting outside groups, I think the intent of this pedestrian bicycle committee was to tackle the very real problem we have with respect to safety for pedestrians and cyclists and cars alike. And to create a committee of residents, to have a resident voice. Look at all of the people stepping up to be a part of this. I mean, that's the kind of demand you have out there. |
| 02:57:30.97 | Ray Withy | Yep. |
| 02:58:05.52 | Linda | And then empower them to reach out to the bicycle, the rental bikes, and the other, the Dorothy Givsons with the knowledge on the stairs and all the pedestrian experts with respect to sidewalk maintenance, etc. Let them chart that way. And that would be my recommendation because there's such a groundswell of interest out there to be involved. We should say yes to our residents. |
| 02:58:40.75 | Ray Withy | Well... Anyway, I recommend that we go five. I'd like to pick that five tonight. The two non-voting we could bring into the picture, but I'd like to end. I recommend that we go five plus two. |
| 02:58:58.67 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, so may I ask and recommend that you take that action first, that vote if you're going to have a five member plus two or a seven member plus two. So if someone would make a motion with either one of those choices, that would be a good place to start. |
| 02:59:04.09 | Ray Withy | Yes. I agree. |
| 02:59:15.14 | Thomas Theodores | I move we constitute the committee with five voting members who are residents and two non-voting two non-voting members who may either be residents or non-residents. |
| 02:59:26.30 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:59:26.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:26.33 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:59:26.65 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:59:28.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:28.29 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I'll second that motion. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 02:59:35.88 | Linda | No. |
| 02:59:37.66 | Ray Withy | Okay? |
| 02:59:39.17 | Linda | And I would like to make a motion to, well, I guess I can't now. We voted on that. Never mind. |
| 02:59:39.59 | Ray Withy | No. Thank you. |
| 02:59:44.29 | Ray Withy | No, we voted on that. Yeah, never mind. Now the next is I recommend the five names that I have is Robert Page, |
| 02:59:46.02 | Linda | Now the net. |
| 02:59:55.32 | Ray Withy | Ed Fauch. Tom Riley. John Cox, and Patricia Pigman. Those are my five names. |
| 03:00:06.93 | Adam Politzer | Oh |
| 03:00:08.86 | Ray Withy | Okay, call for other nominations. |
| 03:00:11.14 | Linda | Okay, so, and just as a point of order, my original list when we were discussing the opportunity to hit seven will be listed in the minutes, correct? |
| 03:00:24.84 | Unknown | PUSH. |
| 03:00:25.43 | Linda | Okay, so if I have to weed down that list to just five, I would say Bob Cassini, Sue Dunlap, Michael Gordon, Tav McTavish, Leda Sanford, Patricia Pigman, and Matt Farrar. |
| 03:00:30.14 | Unknown | five names. |
| 03:00:47.84 | Ray Withy | That's six. |
| 03:00:48.61 | Linda | Oh, whoops. Okay. Oh, my goodness. Um. |
| 03:00:52.83 | Unknown | It's very slightly... |
| 03:00:54.60 | Linda | I don't think so. I would say Bob Cassini, Sue Dunlap, Teff, McTavish, Leda Sanford. Patricia Pigman. |
| 03:01:10.48 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:01:10.50 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:01:10.62 | Linda | Okay. |
| 03:01:11.21 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. |
| 03:01:11.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:01:12.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:01:16.73 | Unknown | Thank you. Anybody else? nominations. Yeah. |
| 03:01:22.67 | Thomas Theodores | I can't nominate anybody because I unfortunately missed these interviews, so I'm going to abstain from the whole thing on this. |
| 03:01:28.81 | Thomas Theodores | And I'm just going to comment. I thought we had, I was really happy to see that there was quite a few people who were willing to apply for this position. And there were quite a few qualified people. And unfortunately, we're not going to be able to nominate everyone to the committee. But certainly, this is going to be an open committee and everyone, including all those who applied, are encouraged to participate in these meetings. They are encouraged to give their thoughts and their ideas for the solutions to the problems we have. |
| 03:02:05.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:05.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:09.72 | Unknown | All right, this is to vote on the you have before you Nine names. Because Patricia Pigman is a duplicate, Thank you. So within those nine names, Councilmember Pfeiffer, You're five. |
| 03:02:30.05 | Linda | My five, Bob Cassini, Sue Dunlap, Tav McTavish, Leda Sanford, |
| 03:02:43.06 | Linda | Do I have one? |
| 03:02:43.67 | Unknown | Patricia pigment |
| 03:02:43.70 | Linda | Thank you. I'm Patricia Pigman. |
| 03:02:48.70 | Unknown | Council Member Theodorus. |
| 03:02:50.05 | Thomas Theodores | Ed Forts, Tom Riley, John Cox, Patricia Pigman, And Robert Page. |
| 03:03:01.94 | Unknown | Councillor interjecting. |
| 03:03:07.70 | Thomas Theodores | Um, Robert Page. Ed Foch, Tom Raley, John Cox, Patricia Pigman. |
| 03:03:20.14 | Unknown | Mayor Weiner. |
| 03:03:21.64 | Ray Withy | Robert Page, Ed Fauch, Tom Riley, John Cox, Patricia Pickman. |
| 03:03:31.24 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:03:32.15 | Unknown | All right, based on that, you have Let's see, to become appointed, they have to have received at least three votes, and based on that, you have Paige, Fudge, Riley, Pigman, and Cox. |
| 03:03:49.97 | Unknown | Now I need your terms. |
| 03:03:52.99 | Unknown | Now I need your terms. That was five. |
| 03:03:55.00 | Unknown | That's fine. |
| 03:03:56.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:56.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:56.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:57.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:57.19 | Unknown | Thank you. Mm-hmm. |
| 03:03:57.34 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. you |
| 03:03:57.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:57.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:57.93 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 03:03:58.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:58.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:58.93 | Unknown | It's three plus prescription. |
| 03:03:59.03 | Unknown | How many? |
| 03:04:02.20 | Unknown | I don't know. Is it five? |
| 03:04:04.11 | Unknown | Thank you. That was fine. |
| 03:04:04.40 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. All right, I'll trust you. Could you read them again? Yes. I didn't write for it. |
| 03:04:07.87 | Unknown | I didn't write for it. PAGE? Fudge. Riley? Pigment? Cut. |
| 03:04:17.98 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:04:19.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:04:19.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:04:19.69 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Now I need terms. I need three years and two years and if you want three, three years or |
| 03:04:28.56 | Ray Withy | What do we want to do here on that, please? Now, we can pick any combination we want for two terms, two years or three years. Is that what you're doing here? |
| 03:04:28.95 | Unknown | Thank you for your... |
| 03:04:40.00 | Unknown | Any person for three years? |
| 03:04:42.94 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:04:43.77 | Unknown | Yeah, I need a maximum of three-year terms and a minimum of two. |
| 03:04:47.02 | Ray Withy | a minimum. So three years, but for three years first, I would say |
| 03:04:59.00 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:05:03.51 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Almighty. For two years, it will be John Favre and Patricia Viggo. |
| 03:05:30.63 | Unknown | What have you been sent to us on that? |
| 03:05:34.90 | Thomas Theodores | I would vote what the mayor has just recommended. |
| 03:05:38.17 | Unknown | I'm saying it. |
| 03:05:38.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:05:51.98 | Unknown | that. |
| 03:05:52.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:05:52.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:05:52.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:05:52.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:05:52.52 | Unknown | And the two non-voting members will be continued until July. |
| 03:05:54.24 | Unknown | you |
| 03:05:58.42 | Unknown | 9. |
| 03:05:59.45 | Thomas Theodores | And you will accept applications. And by the way, I kind of agree with Council Member of Leon, that we should consider having... First, representatives, I mean, certainly experts in the area and possibly those with, that may have a difference of opinion because they are non-voting members. The idea here is to explore all options and have all different opinions. |
| 03:06:22.57 | Unknown | Are you going to want to go through the interview process on that, or is that just nomination and names? |
| 03:06:27.51 | Unknown | We don't know. We don't know yet. We'll figure it out sometime. |
| 03:06:28.39 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:06:29.32 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:06:29.34 | Adam Politzer | We'll... |
| 03:06:29.62 | Thomas Theodores | . |
| 03:06:30.75 | Unknown | You have a body with a quorum anyway. Since they're not all choice. You only look at the non-voters anyway. |
| 03:06:33.05 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:06:33.12 | Adam Politzer | and throw out all the trash. |
| 03:06:34.03 | Ray Withy | look at the number. |
| 03:06:34.91 | Adam Politzer | No, no, no. Thank you. Just why we're asking that question is if you want to have this item on July 9th, then we need to decide if you are, if people apply. How about this? Why don't you? Before the meeting on July 9th. Otherwise, we're recommending like we've done with some of the other committees and task force, that you bring the names forward and if there's a consensus that we don't need to interview them, then you can move to a point. If there's a bunch of names and no one knows them, then you may say let's continue to sign them and interview them on July 23. |
| 03:06:46.42 | Unknown | What about this? |
| 03:07:07.98 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Can I make a suggestion? So you already have extra applicants that you could always appoint as the alternates. If staff would be willing to reach out to... by coalition and the rental guys and ask if they even want to participate. Maybe they don't want to participate or more. |
| 03:07:29.48 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 03:07:29.68 | Thomas Theodores | And you free think about it from a pedestrian standpoint. I don't know who represents pedestrians. It's not a huge, but Dorothy or someone like that who wants to represent the pedestrians or not, you know, as well as motorized, you know, there should be somebody representing, you know. |
| 03:07:45.43 | Unknown | There should be somebody Thank you. I mean, you know. Thank you. And then we'll |
| 03:07:48.72 | Thomas Theodores | And then we can decide whether we want to do that at all, right? But let's see if they want to participate or not first. So why force it for July 9th? Yeah, you don't need to. |
| 03:07:58.03 | Ray Withy | I'm not going to meet before It doesn't matter. I really think that we should bring some names forward at that night. We don't have to go through interviews. These are non-voters. |
| 03:07:59.84 | Thomas Theodores | It doesn't matter. |
| 03:08:10.55 | Ray Withy | I thank you. You let me figure that out. |
| 03:08:13.47 | Adam Politzer | So I guess I just got lost on the direction. Are we bringing this item forward on July 9th? If you have other applicants that |
| 03:08:13.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:08:14.00 | Una Kavana | We just got lost. Thank you. |
| 03:08:20.48 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:08:20.49 | Ray Withy | If the- |
| 03:08:21.02 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. want to participate, whether you contact other entities that would like to participate. And then non-voting members. And if we have new applicants, then we'll consider it on the agenda. Otherwise, there's no point to bring it back. We can do that any time. All right. |
| 03:08:23.28 | Ray Withy | non-voting. or other. Participate. Okay. |
| 03:08:38.08 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right. Okay, moving right along then. Did you want to say that? All right, other reports of significance? No. |
| 03:08:43.43 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:08:47.88 | Ray Withy | Okay, let's see. So don't forget we have July 4th. All of us are on schedule to be at the parade. Okay. |
| 03:08:59.37 | Unknown | I'll give you a second, guys. |
| 03:09:01.30 | Ray Withy | Oh, yes. |
| 03:09:02.63 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 03:09:02.85 | Linda | Oh yeah, for Merry Answers. |
| 03:09:02.87 | Unknown | Thank you. for Mary answers. |
| 03:09:04.84 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 03:09:04.86 | Unknown | you |
| 03:09:04.92 | Linda | you |
| 03:09:04.98 | Unknown | Yeah, I was there last Saturday. |
| 03:09:05.14 | Unknown | THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT. |
| 03:09:05.21 | Thomas Theodores | I was there last Saturday. |
| 03:09:06.95 | Linda | And before I forget, I need a... I don't know, Mr. Mayor. Should we let city staff know if we need a car because I need a convertible? |
| 03:09:08.99 | Unknown | I need a |
| 03:09:18.48 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:09:18.54 | Ray Withy | you can see. |
| 03:09:18.56 | Linda | Yeah. |
| 03:09:18.58 | Thomas Theodores | You can talk to Erin. July 4th. |
| 03:09:18.85 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 03:09:18.88 | Ray Withy | Talk to Aaron. July 4th. Aaron's in charge of that down at Park and Rec. Yeah. |
| 03:09:23.23 | Linda | Well, I usually go through the city manager, so. |
| 03:09:23.35 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 03:09:23.50 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 03:09:23.52 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:09:23.62 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 03:09:23.64 | Adam Politzer | Bye. Right, at the last council meeting when we brought this up, I said obviously we're encouraging everyone to help us, help you. And if you have exhausted your avenues, then to let Mike and Erin know, just send an email. You don't need to see me on that one. You can just directly say I need help and they will help. |
| 03:09:26.12 | Ray Withy | THE LAST WEEK. |
| 03:09:46.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:46.39 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:09:46.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:46.62 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:09:46.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:46.83 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 03:09:46.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:46.99 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:09:47.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:47.03 | Ray Withy | you Thank you. |
| 03:09:47.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:47.57 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:09:47.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:47.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I can use that. I'm gonna be walking with my dog. |
| 03:09:52.82 | Thomas Theodores | They'll trash your car. You don't want those animals in your car. They're animals. |
| 03:09:52.88 | Ray Withy | trash. Thank you. |
| 03:09:53.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:54.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:54.17 | Unknown | you |
| 03:09:54.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:54.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:54.32 | Ray Withy | you Thank you. |
| 03:09:55.45 | Unknown | They're animals. |
| 03:09:58.76 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 03:09:59.03 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:09:59.31 | Unknown | That's common. |
| 03:09:59.97 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 03:10:00.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:00.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:00.56 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:10:00.78 | Ray Withy | All right. No, no, no. It's a shift pass. You know how to drive a shift? |
| 03:10:01.34 | Thomas Theodores | All right. |
| 03:10:02.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:03.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:03.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:03.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:03.11 | Unknown | I'm going to go to the beach. It's a show. |
| 03:10:04.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:07.53 | Ray Withy | Okay. Yeah, we're just going back and forth. Okay, motion to adjourn? Yes. Second. Good night. Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are. |
| 03:10:10.23 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 03:10:10.25 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:10:10.53 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:10:10.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:10.60 | Una Kavana | Thank you. |
| 03:10:10.62 | Unknown | OK. Thank you. |
| 03:10:11.38 | Thomas Theodores | Sure. |
| 03:10:11.60 | Thomas Theodores | Motion to adjourn. |
| 03:10:12.44 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |