| Time | Speaker | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00:00.37 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Good evening and welcome to the October 8, 2013 meeting. And we'll call. Do I have it? |
| 00:00:10.02 | Unknown | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Councilmember Theodorus? |
| 00:00:13.50 | Ray Withy | Thank you. in the present. |
| 00:00:15.46 | Unknown | Council Member Whitty? Here. Vice Mayor Leone? Here. |
| 00:00:16.50 | Ray Withy | here. here. Present. Okay. Claudia, would you lead us in the pledge, please? |
| 00:00:31.00 | Ray Withy | their allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:00:33.59 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:00:45.56 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:00:48.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:49.46 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, we had two items that we spoke to about on closed session items, and they were on litigation. Is there any... Public comment on those closed session items? Okay. Moving ahead now for approval of the agenda. |
| 00:01:13.72 | Sandra Bushmaker | So, |
| 00:01:14.03 | Ray Withy | We're going to make that change. We're taking out on the business item 6A and that will, on the Butte Street Task Force update, that will be continued till the 1022 meeting and we'll take on the consent column, we are going to take A, receive to strategic assessed planning and that will become 6A in place of that. |
| 00:01:14.05 | Sandra Bushmaker | you. |
| 00:01:41.47 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I'd like to pull 4B, please. |
| 00:01:45.47 | Adam Politzer | You can do that. |
| 00:01:46.80 | Thomas Theodores | No, I know, but you're doing it right now to the electronic calendar, so. Okay. And you might as well make that. Floor B? Yeah, I don't think. |
| 00:01:57.03 | Ray Withy | You can make the items 6E. You want to make it succeed? Sure. Okay. Move that to 6E. |
| 00:02:08.55 | Adam Politzer | I guess the question would be if you would like staff participation, Charlie Francis would be asked to stay. If it's a council discussion, then |
| 00:02:16.03 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 00:02:20.92 | Adam Politzer | Charlie would not stay. |
| 00:02:22.81 | Thomas Theodores | Well, I'm not putting something in front of the chief, so that's up to you, boss. I'm not going to make her wait. |
| 00:02:28.34 | Adam Politzer | I'm not sure. . I'm not going to make her wait. Thank you. Yeah, I mean it still has to come from the council's direction. If you want staff participation as Charlie is the staff to the BAC, then you would want him here. If it's more of a council discussion at the 35,000-foot level, then I'm sure that Tom and Ray can handle that and you can put it at the end of the agenda. Thank you. |
| 00:03:01.42 | Thomas Theodores | I would look at it as more of a $35,000 Thank you. |
| 00:03:06.45 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:03:07.12 | Thomas Theodores | foot. discussion. |
| 00:03:09.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. So we'll put that at the end of the agenda. I'm kid. E. Okay, so we have approval on the agenda for Thank you. |
| 00:03:25.10 | Thomas Theodores | C. So I'll make a motion for the agenda as submitted with item 4A being moved to 6A and 4B being moved to 6E. Is that right? Thank you. |
| 00:03:38.61 | Ray Withy | Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 00:03:42.36 | Thomas Theodores | Uh, |
| 00:03:46.80 | Ray Withy | All right, with that, then we'll start with 6A. |
| 00:03:52.50 | Thomas Theodores | No, you got to. Wait a minute. |
| 00:03:53.50 | Ray Withy | Wait a minute. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm good tonight. Let me put my glasses on. |
| 00:03:56.06 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, yeah. |
| 00:03:56.45 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:03:56.47 | Thomas Theodores | Amen. |
| 00:04:05.63 | Ray Withy | Thank you. This time here for the City Council, we will hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda, except in a very limited situation. State law precludes the council from taking action or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. Is there anybody that would like to come up and speak to us on items that are not on the agenda and state your name? |
| 00:04:33.59 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. Go right ahead. |
| 00:04:35.50 | Ray Withy | Your name isn't yes, but go ahead. |
| 00:04:41.12 | Jeffrey Chase | All right, hello, Mr. Mayor, hello, Council and Sausalito citizens. |
| 00:04:41.32 | Ray Withy | Right, hello. |
| 00:04:42.03 | Unknown | since, |
| 00:04:48.49 | Jeffrey Chase | This is about a very old topic. |
| 00:04:51.21 | Thomas Theodores | Would you just state your name for the record, please? |
| 00:04:52.85 | Jeffrey Chase | I'm Jacob Ben-Nuchem Zelman, Jeff Chase. Thank you. Okay, I believe you. Okay, I believe you too, Mayor. So, Community Garden in Sausalito. |
| 00:05:02.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:05:02.35 | Ray Withy | to the next episode. |
| 00:05:08.05 | Jeffrey Chase | The history of this, I'll just recap it really quickly, is that me and Kat were going from on a bus in San Francisco to Sausalito. We talked about it. We went to the Marin Headlands. We found a couple friends. We planted some stuff. Jonathan Goodman showed up, said it was an encroachment. We moved it, and eventually it died. The next year, we tried again. and Cat ended up taking the bureaucratic ball and rolling with it. It eventually rolled downhill And the ball got bigger and bigger. And finally, it just fell apart, I guess. because I was not participating in that part. I thought that She seemed to have the talent in that direction, so I let her do it. It didn't happen. I talked to Mayor the mayor, and he said a good place for it was where the police station was. So last year we did a little bit of planning and there was a bunch of people that were staying back there and were storing trailers, etc. A man named Grover, Bo was living back there for a little while. And the garden, because There was a little confusion about whether it was a public area for Bow and Grover to have a permanent garage sale and to store paint or whether it was a garden. Do not. after a while, but it was, you know, actually Grover was able to eat a couple carrots and potatoes. So it wasn't a total failure. Um. The mayor After he told me it was a good spot, Um. They're now storing creosote pilings back there. very close to to where we planted, where the police station was. uh, treated wood waste, it says here, is commonly used in ground or water applications that has been removed from service. So it isn't just necessarily even if we're going to use it in the future. Okay, this is Title 22. And I have a copy of it here. So the creosote pilings are now being stored where the mayor suggested a community garden was. The law here, according to the way that I'm reading it, says that it cannot be stored for more than 90 days. And it's been a lot longer than 90 days. And there was an article in the IJ this week. about this whole issue. So I'm hoping something gets done and maybe in two weeks we'll have an agenda item for it. Thank you. |
| 00:07:46.86 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, anyone else that would like to speak on something that is not on the agenda with that? |
| 00:07:55.86 | Thomas Theodores | So hold on. So we can't get in a back and forth, Mr. Chase? |
| 00:07:59.55 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 00:08:02.96 | Thomas Theodores | We can't get into back and forth because it's not an agendized item, but we can direct staff to look into your comments and see what's happening there and make sure we're not We can't get into back and forth. You can give it to them. I'm sure they have it. |
| 00:08:14.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:16.07 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, but we'll direct staff to, if that's the consensus of the council, to look into your comments and make sure that what's being stored there is properly done and make sure it's community garden separate discussion, but at least what you raised, let's make sure we're doing things the right way. |
| 00:08:21.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:21.10 | Ray Withy | That's right. |
| 00:08:32.39 | Ray Withy | I've been out with us. you you All right, thank you. |
| 00:08:35.34 | Ray Withy | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:08:36.32 | Ray Withy | Okay, I have moved to approve the minutes of the council meeting of September 10th. |
| 00:08:43.80 | Thomas Theodores | So move. |
| 00:08:45.74 | Ray Withy | Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, minutes, approval of the minutes of the September 24th, 2013 meeting. |
| 00:08:47.63 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 00:08:57.35 | Thomas Theodores | I have one clarification I'd like to make on 6A, the discussion on the MTA. In terms of what the motion was, I'd like to just clarify because it says Council Member Theodorus moved to grant MTA, and I can't, we can't really grant, so I think, Debbie, what was the language we had? |
| 00:08:59.12 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 00:09:19.03 | Unknown | It will read Councilmember Theodore has moved to have the City Council grant him the authority to vote at the next MTA meeting to grant them the money in the short term to help them through this particular financial crisis, but that in 2017 when they get additional PEG funds, |
| 00:09:29.50 | Unknown | for that. |
| 00:09:34.69 | Unknown | which they double and they will have an overage, that we get a credit for that. |
| 00:09:38.57 | Thomas Theodores | That's right. And the only change was at the beginning, where instead of that we grant them, grant me the authority to vote at the next meeting. Okay. |
| 00:09:45.39 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:09:45.44 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. that Is that clear, Chris? |
| 00:09:46.91 | Ray Withy | whatever. Thank you. |
| 00:09:47.99 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:09:48.24 | Thomas Theodores | of Granthamburg to vote on the topic, not what you were voting. Yeah, not what we're voting. |
| 00:09:49.29 | Thomas Theodores | You can vote on the topic, not what you were voting. Yeah, not what we're voting. I mean, I only added, why don't you just say the words I requested to be added if you don't |
| 00:09:53.78 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 00:09:57.76 | Unknown | moved to have the City Council grant him the authority to vote at the next MTA meeting. |
| 00:10:04.26 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. That was it, rather than we grant media votes. |
| 00:10:08.63 | Thomas Theodores | And vote to grant them money. Right. Right. |
| 00:10:12.19 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, so I move to approve the minutes of September 24th with that change. Thank you. Second. Thank you. |
| 00:10:20.37 | Ray Withy | Second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? All right, then now we'll move on to |
| 00:10:22.50 | Thomas Theodores | I heard. |
| 00:10:26.62 | Ray Withy | but we move down to 6A and that would be receive and file the |
| 00:10:29.57 | Mary Wagner | We see. Mr. Mayor, you still have one item on your consent calendar? And so right now you have item 4C, which is the MLK lease amendments? |
| 00:10:35.02 | Ray Withy | And... |
| 00:10:35.31 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:10:39.49 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:10:39.51 | Unknown | I thought I'd be... |
| 00:10:40.27 | Mary Wagner | And staff is actually requesting at the tenant's request that the portion of that item dealing with the Fifth Amendment to the lease with Gary Ferber be pulled from that item. And that will be continued for further discussion with the tenant. So you would be looking at a resolution adopting amendments to the leases with James Kavanaugh, Michael Seaman, and George Depsevich. |
| 00:10:49.57 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:10:49.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:04.33 | Ray Withy | So that's... |
| 00:11:05.04 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:11:05.60 | Thomas Theodores | Steve Serra. |
| 00:11:06.70 | Mary Wagner | Steve Sir, excuse me. |
| 00:11:08.25 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right. |
| 00:11:14.27 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Go ahead. Does anyone make a motion? Please, go ahead. |
| 00:11:15.05 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:11:18.12 | Ray Withy | Well, I move to approve. |
| 00:11:20.33 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. |
| 00:11:20.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:11:21.41 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:11:22.02 | Thomas Theodores | Go ahead. No, no, no. Item four. Item four. |
| 00:11:22.62 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:11:22.64 | Thomas Theodores | Item 4C with the changes stated by our city attorney. |
| 00:11:35.53 | Ray Withy | Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? |
| 00:11:37.48 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 00:11:41.98 | Ray Withy | Next item. Thank you. Here's 6A, which will be received and filed. The Sausalito Strategic Asset Planning Report is forwarded by the BAC. Okay, Charlie. |
| 00:11:53.34 | Unknown | Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Vice Mayor, members of the City Council. The agenda item, as you said, is to receive and file the Strategic Asset Planning Report. This report was an outcome of the originally jointly funded City of Sausalito and Sausalito Chamber of Commerce Community and Economic Development Study that was conducted during the fiscal year 2012, and it had oversight by the Business Advisory Committee. And during the fiscal year 13 as a component of the priority calendar and as a next step for economic development, the Business Advisory Committee brought to the City Council and the City Council approved a modified scope of work to conduct the Strategic Asset Planning Report. They authorized the use of $5,000 to contract with Marin Economic Forum to provide these services. Well the report was completed in draft form, was submitted to the business advisory committee, the business advisory committee worked with Marin Economic Forum to finalize the report and to complete the funding cycle the report is being brought back to the city cycle, to the city council to receive and file the strategic asset planning report. Okay. We are here to answer any questions that you might have of the process. Dr. Eiler is not here to address any items in the report, but we're certainly able to talk about the purpose of the report. |
| 00:13:12.75 | Unknown | Can I ask? |
| 00:13:13.63 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:13:28.48 | Thomas Theodores | Did I ask the city attorney a question? And if you... You may. So by receiving and filing this report, what does that imply or signify? |
| 00:13:30.49 | Unknown | And |
| 00:13:43.09 | Mary Wagner | literally what it means. The Council's not taking action to implement the recommendations, you're just saying that you got the report. and it's part of the record. |
| 00:13:53.10 | Thomas Theodores | What if we receive it but refuse to file it? It means we saw it, but we don't like it, because if we file it, it says we think this is a public document of value. |
| 00:14:03.97 | Mary Wagner | Well, it is a public document. It's part of your record tonight, regardless of what action you take. |
| 00:14:05.40 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 00:14:09.35 | Mary Wagner | I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE It's literally somewhat of a formality. You've gotten the document and you have it. That's what you're saying. I mean, it will be filed with the city. |
| 00:14:18.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:18.70 | Thomas Theodores | Right. |
| 00:14:22.55 | Thomas Theodores | whether or not. No, I understand that. Regardless. But these things tend to take on a life of their own once they become in the, you know, |
| 00:14:23.19 | Mary Wagner | No, I understand that. |
| 00:14:28.98 | Thomas Theodores | Um, We did all this work about this document, so you should take into account to do X, Y, and Z. |
| 00:14:34.48 | Mary Wagner | I think if the council has a particular note or if you want to add something that could be part of your your discussion or action tonight, but you literally are just saying you've got it. |
| 00:14:48.10 | Thomas Theodores | for the owner. Do you go ahead and have a question? Mr. Mayor, may I find that? |
| 00:14:51.76 | Sandra Bushmaker | Mr. Mayor, may I follow you? Yeah, so Mary, in the past when I recall Councilmember Carolyn Ford was on this council, we had several considerations and concerns regarding these studies. And it was our understanding always that Voting to just accept it and you know receive it was just like you said a formality it didn't imply that we Supported the findings or even agreed it we were just voting to accept the report So I do think it's an important distinction because that was my interpretation. That was what I was coached in the past |
| 00:15:33.13 | Ray Withy | Okay, all right. So, any other questions? Yeah, I just had a question for |
| 00:15:36.97 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I just had a question for staff, for Charlie. Well, I don't know what put you on the spot for that. It's not fair in terms of the value of this report. |
| 00:15:45.67 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. |
| 00:15:50.33 | Thomas Theodores | I won't put you on the spot for that one. |
| 00:15:52.17 | Ray Withy | Okay, well, look, we received a report. Is there anything else that we have to footnote with it? |
| 00:15:52.19 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, it's not. |
| 00:16:01.55 | Ray Withy | But I think that's what I think. |
| 00:16:01.99 | Sandra Bushmaker | Well, I think Mr. Mayor, perhaps to Councilmember Leon's comment, the footnote, and to Council's comment, we could, I guess, have a footnote of clarity that says, you know, receiving and accepting a report is just accepting that this work has been done, not that we necessarily agree with it. |
| 00:16:21.11 | Ray Withy | Well, that's all we're at. That's all we're accepting is the report. whether we agree with it or not. |
| 00:16:29.55 | Thomas Theodores | Right. |
| 00:16:29.58 | Ray Withy | Thank you. That's all. |
| 00:16:31.61 | Thomas Theodores | Well, we can deal with that if we want to get to the motion of the report. |
| 00:16:34.04 | Ray Withy | Yes, we can. So, any other questions for Charlie? Any questions for Charlie? Any public questions? Okay. |
| 00:16:38.15 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:16:46.25 | Thomas Theodores | and I know a lot of hard work and people's best intentions went into this, but it recommends investment banking as the top primary investment investment investment recommendation for the MarinShip has some deficit of reality check incorporated in its underlying assumptions. because there is little positive benefit to the city of Sauselio that having boutique investment banks could ever generate. Sales tax, business tax, whatever it is, it's somebody behind a desk and that has absolutely – that's the mistake that was made in the 70s and 80s in the Marinship, is allowing these businesses that had nothing to do with anything creative or working with your hands or the maritime business into that area of town. So this was an experiment, and I'll use my... Thanks, please start that. You can take time off of that because I've already been talking for more than 15 seconds. This was an experiment, in my mind, to test the reality check of the Business Advisory Committee when I was on the business advisory committee, saying let's hire an outside person, come back with some realistic expectations for what could be done for creating business opportunities in the marineship that fit in the marineship. And to me, this is an unfortunate set of recommendations that don't reflect the community of Sausalito in the slightest. So. |
| 00:18:20.08 | Ray Withy | So that means you're a chancellor. No, I'll get to that with the motion. |
| 00:18:21.95 | Thomas Theodores | Mr. Mayor? No, I'll get to that with a motion. I'll propose a motion later. |
| 00:18:25.75 | Sandra Bushmaker | Mr. Mayor, I would like to comment. Are we in comment now? |
| 00:18:28.57 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:18:28.67 | Ray Withy | Yes, we are. |
| 00:18:30.61 | Sandra Bushmaker | So my comment is that I've had problems with this from the beginning. I initially a couple years ago, I think back in 2010 or 11, voted for the initial funding even though I wanted a long-term study instead of a short-term. And I voted for that under the reassurances that it would look at all of Sausalito, I think our downtown area is hurting, as well as not to dance outside the current zoning of the marineship as defined by the marineship specific plan. What this morphed into was, in my opinion, something that was guided by special interests. And there are just, you know, from there on, I have not supported further funding of this study. And I'm, you know, I'm just concerned on multiple levels, and I echo the concerns that were recently stated. |
| 00:19:31.51 | Thomas Theodores | I just want to be clear that the business advisory committee, when they received this report, had difficulties with it, similar to those that Councilmember Leone articulated, and basically struggled with what we would do with the report. Ultimately, we decided that we would need to pay Professor Eiler and that we would submit it because the council paid for it, we'd have to submit it to accept it. But as you can see, there was no endorsement, no support on behalf of the BAC for the findings contained in this report. But I think we have no choice since it was done and it's paid for by the City that we need to accept it with whatever caveat you want to say add to what acceptance means. |
| 00:20:15.98 | Ray Withy | Okay. make it well called. |
| 00:20:21.02 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, so I'll make a motion. So I'll make a motion, we receive and file I don't even know what this refers to. This is Ocelito's Strategic Asset Planning Report, which is an interesting title. I thought this was Jonathan Goldman's assessment of public infrastructure, but when I read it, I realized that it was something completely different. I'll say receive and file this report and in the minutes adopting this, saying we received and file it, state that the council takes no stance of endorsement of this report in in any way, good or bad, and that this was a study done by an outside consultant for whatever. report in any way, good or bad, and that this was a study done by an outside consultant for whatever, you know, and the public can... I'll just say leave it at that. Leave this study as it was done by an outside consultant under the direction of the Business and Advisory Committee, and the council neither endorses nor denies the validity of this report, and so accepting it. |
| 00:21:22.99 | Sandra Bushmaker | I would like to make an addendum. I mean, I'm, if I may, I have a clear stance on this report. I don't accept this report. I have a, I was fine when the initial motion was, it was part of just rubber stamp accept and receive and my understanding of what I was told that meant. But if we are now saying that The vote is now that we don't have an opinion, good or bad, on it. I do. I don't support it. I have several concerns with it. So I don't know how I translate that into a... |
| 00:22:01.06 | Thomas Theodores | Can I ask a question, clarify my motion? So we've already paid this guy, is that correct? The money's gone. Do we pay him in advance? No. But we paid him. Okay. So, but we don't have to accept and file it, necessarily. It's a public document, but we don't have to accept and file it. |
| 00:22:10.46 | Ray Withy | We can. |
| 00:22:24.38 | Ray Withy | Well, I'm sure |
| 00:22:27.03 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. |
| 00:22:27.63 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:22:28.02 | Thomas Theodores | Amen. Right, because if we choose not to accept it, it's just a public document sitting out there and it has no One way or the other. You tell me. You're the attorney. I just play one on TV. |
| 00:22:41.96 | Mary Wagner | It's up to the council. You can take whatever action you choose. |
| 00:22:43.13 | Thomas Theodores | I thought you needed it. |
| 00:22:47.02 | Thomas Theodores | That would be acceptable. The BAC, just to speak on their behalf, felt that it was their duty to bring it to the council for acceptance since the council paid for it. But we can do, I think, whatever we'd like on that. |
| 00:22:57.61 | Thomas Theodores | We don't want to punt it up to you to decide what to do. So I would say we don't take any action on this item whatsoever. So I'll remove my motion and I'll give you a second. I'll give you a second. |
| 00:23:03.09 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:23:14.12 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:23:14.19 | Ray Withy | All right, then do I have a motion? Annie, do I have a motion? The technological consensus, is that acceptable? |
| 00:23:23.24 | Sandra Bushmaker | So I just, Mr. Mayor, if I may clarify. So what we're doing then is we're not making a motion. We're not, the motion has been withdrawn. We are not accepting and receiving this document. We're just letting it go. We're not taking any action. Yep. Okay. |
| 00:23:23.29 | Ray Withy | So I just. |
| 00:23:33.92 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:23:33.94 | Thomas Theodores | Which is... we're not taking any Yep. Thank you. Is that OK with you? |
| 00:23:39.02 | Sandra Bushmaker | Yeah, as long as the record, you know, |
| 00:23:41.85 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, we should state that for the record, that there was a vote and we decided not to vote. |
| 00:23:43.25 | Sandra Bushmaker | shows. |
| 00:23:47.77 | Sandra Bushmaker | Well, now I feel inclined to make a motion rejecting this report. |
| 00:23:48.85 | Unknown | Now I feel inclined to make a motion. |
| 00:23:52.79 | Ray Withy | this report. Let's not spend it all. Well, okay. |
| 00:23:55.64 | Sandra Bushmaker | Well, okay, I move to reject this report. |
| 00:23:59.15 | Ray Withy | No, no, no. Okay. You got a second? |
| 00:24:03.55 | Thomas Theodores | I'll second that. |
| 00:24:04.78 | Sandra Bushmaker | reject the findings of this report. |
| 00:24:08.09 | Thomas Theodores | How about, Linda, can we just make, can I amend your motion and say we just I'll make a motion to reject this report. |
| 00:24:17.88 | Ray Withy | Okay. You got a second. Debbie. |
| 00:24:23.60 | Unknown | Councilman. |
| 00:24:24.09 | Sandra Bushmaker | I'm going to restate my motion. I move to reject this BAC report. |
| 00:24:30.87 | Unknown | Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 00:24:32.76 | Sandra Bushmaker | Yes. |
| 00:24:34.43 | Unknown | Council Member Theodoros. |
| 00:24:35.50 | Thomas Theodores | I'll abstain on this. |
| 00:24:38.86 | Unknown | Council Member Withey. |
| 00:24:40.88 | Thomas Theodores | I also am abstaining. |
| 00:24:45.59 | Unknown | That's Mary Leone. |
| 00:24:46.70 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:24:46.73 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 00:24:46.87 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:24:48.86 | Thomas Theodores | I would too if I was on the business advisory piece in Australia. |
| 00:24:50.36 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:24:50.48 | Ray Withy | you |
| 00:24:51.95 | Ray Withy | Yeah. I'm going to abstain. |
| 00:24:54.95 | Thomas Theodores | All right, so what does that mean? Thank you. |
| 00:24:56.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:56.93 | Thomas Theodores | Right, it's no quorum. So there needs to be a counter motion. |
| 00:24:56.96 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 00:25:01.25 | Thomas Theodores | And the counter motion can be nothing, right? No action. No action. Okay. So can we put... |
| 00:25:03.63 | Ray Withy | No action. |
| 00:25:05.69 | Thomas Theodores | I move that we take no action on this item. |
| 00:25:08.08 | Thomas Theodores | Second. Second. |
| 00:25:08.12 | Thomas Theodores | Exactly. |
| 00:25:09.92 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. |
| 00:25:13.92 | Thomas Theodores | But for the record, and not |
| 00:25:15.44 | Sandra Bushmaker | No. I want to take an action at this point. |
| 00:25:17.40 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. Right, so the record will note the two votes and we'll move forward. |
| 00:25:19.27 | Sandra Bushmaker | So the... |
| 00:25:24.45 | Sandra Bushmaker | But I voted no on that no action. |
| 00:25:28.62 | Ray Withy | All right. Thank you. Whatever that means. Next item, Police Department 2013 second quarterly report. Wow. It's been the second quarter already? Where you been? you |
| 00:25:45.58 | Thomas Theodores | Where's the third quarter? |
| 00:25:46.62 | Ray Withy | everything. |
| 00:25:49.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:25:49.58 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:26:11.31 | Unknown | So while Debbie is doing that, I will say good evening, mayor, city council members, city manager, city attorney, city clerk. and audience. It's my pleasure to come tonight and share with you an overview of our second quarter report, which for clarification encompasses the beginning quarter, the first quarter, and the second quarter. So it's all statistics reflect activity from January through June. If you've had time to look at it, you'll see that we are still trending up in some areas of crime. Did I do that? Hold on. |
| 00:27:12.47 | Unknown | Start again. So one of the important tasks in the police department is to track our activity, what we do in terms of case closure and arrests in response to crimes, theft, trans, etc., in the community. As you can see on this, these are the crimes that involve people, so crimes against persons. Assaults are up, and it's probably a reflection of more people in town and more activity. Domestic violence is down, and I just want to take a moment and say this is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. So for us to have more than 50% decrease in domestic violence cases is something to celebrate. At the same time, it's important to remind people that domestic violence is a serious offense. It's the most violent crime that we experience in Marin County. There are still many victims out there who need encouragement and support to come forward and report the crime. Marin County has probably one of the most common cases in the state of the state of the crime. Marin County has probably one of the most comprehensive array of services for victims of domestic violence. Reporting the crime doesn't mean that your children will be taken away, It doesn't mean that your family unit will be broken forever. We have really good batterers programs in Marin County. So just in remembrance of Domestic Violence Awareness Month, I just want to encourage everybody, if you see something, say something. If you can offer some comfort and advice and give courage to victims, it's really difficult for them to speak out in many cases, but encourage them and support them. |
| 00:29:02.42 | Unknown | And moving on, and actually, if you'd like to know more about what is being done to address domestic violence in Marin County, go to the Center for Domestic Peace website, formerly known as MOZ, Marin Abused Women's Services, and you'll find all kinds of services listed there, as well as things that you can do to help you be a supporter of domestic violence victims and help them break the cycle. So moving on. |
| 00:29:39.20 | Unknown | Here we have our January through June statistics, and we did have some questions that we need to answer regarding these statistics. And as you can see in a comparison from 2009, we have quite a spike in some of the areas. It's a little misleading because in the area of grand theft, many years ago the cutoff for grand theft was $400. So anything above that was considered grand theft. And then it changed, and now it's, I've been so long out of patrol, I have to, it's $900. And No, I have some. Thank you. $950. So for example, a lot of those crimes that are in 2012, 2011, they would have all been in the theft, petty theft category. And because a lot of our thefts and our grand thefts involve bicycles, and a lot of the bicycles have thousands of dollars value attached to them, a lot of those fall into that category. And a review of our bike theft stats show us that it's an average of five a month Thank you. But in June we had 12, I think. Yeah, 12 in June. So that pushes that up. |
| 00:31:17.86 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:31:22.62 | Unknown | the burglaries, Otto Burgs, about 50% of these So auto burgs fall into two categories. One, the burglary, is when the vehicle is locked. The other one is when the vehicle is unlocked. But here's what we find. Most cases of auto bergs or thefts or thefts from vehicles are because people leave items in full view. And in probably 90% of the cases, it's because a wallet, a laptop, a backpack, something was in plain view. And so the message on this is hide your stuff. Don't leave it in plain view. Even if you lock your car and it's in plain view, they'll smash your window to get it. So please don't do that. We have an increase in fraud, but we're not unlike many other communities in Marin. When you look at these statistics, many other communities are also experiencing an uptrend. And, you know, when you ask, well, what's the reason behind that? Some of it is the down economy. Some of it is, for us, we're impacted by San Francisco a little bit more than other communities in Marin County. And some of it, frankly, is lack of resources. And I'm changing the mantra. I've already cleared it with Charlie. Sooner or later, it comes down to more cups. That's our new mantra. So, |
| 00:33:10.86 | Unknown | Well... Oh, too bad he's not here. I'll come running in the... |
| 00:33:17.41 | Thomas Theodores | Not that that's a bad thing, I'm just saying. |
| 00:33:20.66 | Unknown | Right. So one of the questions we were asked was, I'll read it, because it says, Does the PD have any insights as to the reason for the increase in crime? For example, some thefts primarily caused by the same criminal who was recently arrested. And while we can sometimes see that some thefts are reduced or activity in the neighborhoods are a decrease in reporting, it's hard to say that, yes, that is the person who Thank you. intended to do more. So it's really an unknown, but yes, when we've made an arrest, we know we've stopped that person from doing whatever that person was going to do here or elsewhere. We do hope that when we make these arrests, we are impacting the potential for crime to continue. And the theft of bicycles is not just local, not just occurring in Sausalito. The other cities in Marin County are also experiencing a similar trend. And so Detective Mather works with the other detectives, and they have gone out and done some stings to try and catch the people responsible. So they are working on it as a collaborative effort because it is happening all over. And I've covered the next question was, are the report stats covering just the second quarter? They're covering January through June. Are they annual totals? No, these are like periods, so we're comparing six months in 2009 to six months in 2013. So the uptrend is alarming, but There's not a true crisis because when you look at it and you see 12 thefts of bicycles in June, that pushes that figure up, and when you see that from in 2009, $400 was a grand theft, but now in 2013, it's $950, it kind of explains it. But the bottom line is, and I told you this when we did our end of year report, that we are seeing a trend up in crime. Part one, crimes were up, I think, 48% from 2012 to 2011, and then I think part two almost doubled. So this is just a sign of the times. We're not unique. It's not unique to Sausalito. Let's see. |
| 00:36:18.81 | Unknown | I'll just move on and then can come back to this so we can... Our arrests are... fairly consistent, which is surprising to me. because our staffing has not been consistent. This year we had a major staffing crisis. So that is a reflection of the good work that our people are doing. because you don't see that a lot when you see staffing down, You generally see a downtrend in your arrests and a downtrend in your solvability of cases Traffic accidents are down, which is also surprising considering we have more people in town, but maybe it's a reflection of less vehicles coming into town. And collisions involving bicycles from January to June, there's nothing alarming, no trending up there. |
| 00:37:19.06 | Unknown | And this is from our parking staff. Parking violations, that's probably a reflection of staffing more than anything. The decrease there. Service delivery calls for service, that is when people call in and ask us to respond. And so that is trending up as we would expect to see because we have more people in town. We're busier. I'd like to see our staffing level trend up with that. But again, if you look at the proactive activity, the extra patrol, which means what are officers doing with their discretionary time? They're making arrests, they're doing extra patrols, they're getting out of their cars, and that's how many they did in the first six months of 2013. So I think it's important to share with you some of the things, because it can be disturbing. when you hear everything is trending up, but I want to assure you that Sausalito is still a safe place to come visit and work and play. It really is. I mean, that's why we keep getting more people, right? If it wasn't, we wouldn't. But we have several programs and practices in place that help us keep the lid on the jar. And I just want to review some of them with you. Sergeant Vivrose is going to come up and do a little bit more review of the last six months for you. Some of the things that we do to keep the lid on the jar. We have the Citizen Academy. So part of what we have to do is community outreach and education. So we do that through the Citizen Academy. Some of you have been through that. It's very informative and what it does is it turns you into another set of eyes and ears for us, another educated perspective on understanding the role of police, but understanding more more importantly, how you can help us. We have a wonderful group of volunteers. We have 23 volunteers in policing. And they do vacation house checks for us. which is really an excellent service for our residents. When they go away, call in and say they need a vacation check. And they go out in pairs and they walk the property and they call into the police department anything they see that's unusual. In addition to that, several of them have been trained to do residential patrols. So they go out in their car at night when we see that we might have some activity in the hills. They get in their car with their yellow light and they go out and they patrol the hills. And so it acts as a deterrent but also as another set of eyes to report in open windows, open garages, and the like. They don't get out of their cars They just drive and call in what they see. We have the decoy car. When we have a car available, we put that out there, and it's placed in areas where we feel issues are occurring. And it, again, acts as a deterrent. We have for outreach, we have Nixle, we have Twitter, we have the website. A while ago, we started doing our monthly reports. Those reports go up on the website. People can read what's trending, what's happening, what we're addressing for or have addressed for that month. We do lots of press releases on activity. We also do articles. We have a rotation. Our sergeants are responsible for writing an article for the City of Sausalito magazine, so we do some community outreach there. And then we also have engaged the waterfront community, and that's very productive in what we're about to embark upon is sort of a neighborhood watch, but an anchor outwatch program. So a lot of things have happened there that are very positive and that will help us address some of the issues along the waterfront. I think that's it for my part of the presentation. I can take questions. before Sergeant Rivers comes up. Thank you. |
| 00:41:43.93 | Thomas Theodores | He wants us to wait until after he has his... and then maybe they'll be answered. |
| 00:41:43.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:41:49.65 | Unknown | If that's your preference, yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:41:52.03 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:41:52.08 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:41:53.98 | Ray Withy | Steve. |
| 00:41:58.17 | Ray Withy | Thank you. camera. |
| 00:42:01.97 | Steve Vivero | this way and left with the button. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Steve Vivero. I've been with the Sausville Police Department for 10 years, coming up in 2014. I've been very honored to serve you and the public, and I'm here tonight to present some material on behalf of the Police Department. Welcome. Let's head on inside and see what's going on. This is our mission statement. It's something we hold dearly. It's short and to the point. But when you come into the police department, this is something you'll see. We refer to this all the time. And without the trust of the community and working hard to meet these goals, we wouldn't achieve the success we've had. Chief touched on a couple of these things. It's very important to us. This is how we're getting information out to everybody. If you're a part of the Nixle family there, we routinely publish, you know, important information on there, traffic conditions. You know, if there's a high crime issue, the crime reports, the webpage, Twitter. We're becoming very savvy at the police department with social media. And then some more examples of what you can find at these locations. the monthly reports and just any information in general. personnel. The police department is proud of our unique organizational culture and we have a group of dedicated people that work hard to meet the needs of our community. We hire good people and we don't settle for less. So recently within the last six months and probably the last year we've had a difficult time finding those people to fit in those spots. So combined with that and the natural things that happen with police work like injuries and family leave and things of that nature. We've been at minimum staffing for the last... So combined with that and the natural things that happen with police work like injuries and family leave and things of that nature, we've been at minimum staffing for the last six months, which means one patrol person and one patrol sergeant on duty. And while we have been able to meet the needs of the community, it really has been a burden to have the minimum amount of people doing the maximum amount of work but we are getting closer to something positive, and that is we are getting closer to hiring a full-time police officer. Now, I don't have any specific details on that, but looking into my crystal ball, I believe the end-of-year report will have a good note about that topic. Same with the next one. We're starting the process of hiring a part-time seasonal police officer. This is new to Sausalito. We haven't done this before, But this too also is in the works, and I don't have a lot of specific information about this. other than to say that this person will be a part-time employee that we'll be able to utilize in these moments of minimum staffing or when we need personnel at special events or summertime crunch or whatever the case may be. really see this working out for us as well. Corporal Shoup just participated in the Management Academy, and he had a great time doing that. He's a super smart person, and it made him even smarter, and that helped us out. We just bid farewell to Chris Majora. She was one of our parking enforcement officers. She ended her employment with the police department to go on to brighter and better things, like not working, which sounds super fun. And then we're also bidding goodbye to PEO Jamie LaMonto. He's been a fixture here at the police department for many years. He's known as the parking hawk. I'm certain that most businesses downtown will like that he's leaving. He can see a parking violation from a mile away. We'll miss him greatly. He's got an infectious attitude about work. In January 2013, we recognized these following people for 2012 achievement. And at the top of the list is Employee of the Year Susan Barnes. I think it says it all. Susan is one of the most important people in our police department. She's our evidence technician and custodian supervisor, and she's the administrative aide to the police chief. If you have a question and you need it answered correctly, you go to Susan. The Mark Thomas Award is essentially a person that embodies the attitude and spirit of the police department. He's a person that comes to work every day with a great attitude. who is like a ray of sunshine and you always want to be around him, and that's Jamie. And I don't know if that's just because he's retiring, but he certainly is a fun person to work with. The Top Gun Award is a technical award And it's achieved through firearms training, and it's very difficult to be compared to like a triathlon. You have to do a couple different things to achieve this award. Thomas Georges did that this year. And the Follow Your Nose Award is just like it sounds. It's about an officer or a person who took a case to somewhere where it wouldn't have gone unless they really put their nose down to the grindstone and worked hard. Sean did that in a couple of cases this year or last year that went to trial that looked like they had no hope of going to trial, and so he earned that award. This is new this year. We've just implemented the quarterly Employer of the Year quarter recognition. Our first quarter was Nick White and our second quarter was Lillian. Both great people and did a maximum amount of work in that time and were recognized for their efforts. |
| 00:47:08.15 | Thomas Theodores | I'm just kidding. Shaking hands? Yeah, no? |
| 00:47:10.42 | Steve Vivero | Shaking hands, yeah, no. Those are standard pictures. I couldn't find any good ones. We, our extra patrol operations are things that we did above and beyond what normal patrol operations is about. The ABC grant was completed. We had excellent results with that, with the education and enforcement and things that were included in that were undercover stings and byes. And you'd be surprised who would serve a person that looks like they're 15 alcohol. |
| 00:47:12.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:47:13.01 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 00:47:13.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:47:13.26 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:47:13.29 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:47:13.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:47:38.91 | Steve Vivero | And I think a lot of businesses in town were educated properly about that. The motorcycle program is implemented. It's full force now. We've got two bikes out on the – or one bike usually out on the street. It's been a great help with traffic complaints and the downtown issues with the ferry terminal and bicycles and taxis and you name it downtown. We've had a regular Marine Patrol schedule, which has been a huge benefit to the issues on the water. The assistance of the United States Coast Guard has been invaluable. Without them providing personnel for us to use, we couldn't be out on the water, because it takes at least two people to manage the boat. And to have a professional like a Coast Guard out there with you, it's just, It's just been so great. And then they've also been barring our mirror radios. Our mirror radios are to our dispatch. for various reasons. They just didn't have radio communication that was useful. And so we let them borrow radio. They're able to contact us or dispatch for information. It's been a super huge success for them and for us. And then live scans operational. The live scan machine up in the right-hand corner is in our police department now. And if you need your fingerprints done for whatever the case may be, you're going to coach U Sports. going for a new job, whatever the case may be, we offer that service now, and that's been a huge success so far. I have a... Marine Patrol story, who everybody likes. On March 29th, Marine Patrol officers were able to launch Marine One within five minutes of receiving an emergency call. of a paddleboarder in distress in Richardson Bay. The paddleboarder, a 49-year-old female, was clinging to an anchored vessel in an attempt to avoid being blown further out into the bay due to the high winds. Within five minutes of the call, officers located and conducted a rope rescue of the paddleboarder. She was being thrown repeatedly into the side of the vessel by the high winds in choppy water. The paddleboarder was recovered uninjured. This is just one of several stories I could share. The people that man up that boat whenever necessary do outstanding work, and that's above and beyond their patrol duties, because a lot of times we'll get a call in the middle of the night saying the Coast Guard can't find somebody or needs our help. And I'll tell you, more often than not, we're able to get that vote out, and it's been a huge success. |
| 00:49:57.54 | Steve Vivero | These are kind of the things we've been dealing with on a regular basis recently, and they're not done yet. There's a lot of work to still be done on these. Traffic complaints, taxi regulation enforcement, the downtown ferry terminal congestion issue, and the bicycle safety parking downtown. Like the Chief was saying about the bicycles being stolen, We've had a numerous number of bicycles stolen just from that area. And you would be amazed at the stories we hear. We had one guy even tell us he had like a $2,000 bike. He parked it, went into Cafe Tutti, watched his bike the entire time, except for a moment when he turned away. the bike was gone. Unbelievable. It's just that fast now. And so we've had a difficult time corralling how this is happening so quickly in a crowd full of people. I mean, this is at 12 in the afternoon. I mean, it's just amazing how these people are doing. So those are things that we're working on right now. The community outreach at the schools is always going on. We feel it's important to get in touch with the young people and let them know what we're doing. And then the differential police response is a new system we're trying. It's a management tool that extends the range of options for responding to requests for police services and is intended to optimize the match between the service required and the response made. |
| 00:50:56.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:08.38 | Steve Vivero | For example, when we have one officer and one sergeant on duty, it can be very difficult to handle all calls for service. What this allows us to do is to postpone some calls for service that are considered low priority. Property crimes that are like vandalism, petty theft, or hit and run collisions with no known suspects where the value of the property loss or damage is less than $1,000 and where the traffic collision does not involve an injured person. The sergeant or watch commander on duty can postpone those calls for service, let those people know we'll get to them as soon as possible. That allows us the time and energy to focus on when we have a DV, when we have an involved case, when we arrested somebody for DUI or other cases like that. So this is great. It's already been used several times and we haven't gotten any bad feedback, which is good. So we'll see how it keeps going. This is community policing. This is also as above and beyond what we normally do for service. We're very proud of the first one up there. We had an intern with us from Sonoma State University for about 180 hours this last six months. |
| 00:52:10.41 | Unknown | Mm-mm. |
| 00:52:11.57 | Steve Vivero | It's an honor, I think, to be a part of this program because we met the requirements that the college wanted us to meet, which isn't easy. And then we also met the needs of the person involved in the internship. I think everybody in the police department got a lot out of this, and I think that the intern got a lot out of this. It was very great. And during that time also we had two high school interns, which was not as intense, but also very, very helpful to them and us. The police department participated in an actual DUI trial held at Terralinda High School. And what this was was 12 seniors were chosen to be on the jury. And it was an auditorium full of juniors and seniors. The case was an actual DUI case was presented. An actual decision was made. Thank you. Detective Mather was involved in this. It was very exciting for him afterwards. The District Attorney, Edgar Barian, and some of his employees, and then Brian and the rest of the officers involved in the case, stuck around and had a question and answer session. He said it was outstanding and something that he would get involved with again, really thinking out of the box and really getting that community effort involved with educating about, you know, especially DUI and things like that. Taxi regulations has been going on. We're trying to keep everybody squared away. Those people can be very aggressive. And so we're doing the best we can with the re-striping downtown and other actions to try to make it go smooth. And then the bar in Harbor, Texas, something we've been doing for a long time now, and we continue to do, we get good results. And it's really minimized the amount of crime that we have in those places. Community policing at its finest. This is July 4th this year. We lost the tug of war. There's a lot of kids. I mean, I don't, I'll tell you, that was amazing. We weren't gonna win, I saw that right away. And then we were fortunate enough, Officer Padilla and I, we were the egg toss champion. I think we got about 100 feet, it was pretty good. Um, Completed projects, these things were already presented last time, and these are things that are working out for us. The joint training and the joint effort that we have with other agencies will be illustrated in my case that I should tell you guys about because in Falls Central Marin, police agency ourself and actually San Francisco and a lot of agencies actually. The property and evidence technician, Zanetta Faleo, not have find a person out there. Really has been an asset to the police department. In my opinion, the best thing that's happened since we've done that. And then we're a part of the special response team and the crisis negotiation team still. And those boys are still training to get out there. Live scan services again, and then the bikes are in service. I don't know who snuck this one in. This minimum staff Thank you. |
| 00:54:54.71 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:54:56.09 | Steve Vivero | But just to reiterate that we have been doing a maximum amount of work with a minimum amount of people. And in May and June of this year, we were in crisis mode with one officer and one sergeant on every shift, pretty much. And that's not an exaggeration. And for different reasons. One of them was the vacancies. One was because an officer was hurt. One could be because the person was on family leave. Um, Life goes on outside of the police department. They had some very exciting things happen, like the birth of children, You know, that's very exciting. Getting hurt, nobody likes that. And then everybody wishes we had all the people in place to fill the spots. During that mode, we had to cancel training, nonessential training, We had to cancel officers' earned day off and pay them in lieu of getting the time off. We had to cancel Marine Patrol for two months. Respectfully, officers canceled their vacation on their own to come to work and meet the staffing requirements So I just wanted to mention that a lot of people work very hard to give the minimum amount of staffing to to provide the services we provide. And it just shouldn't be underestimated Investigations 2013. |
| 00:56:22.42 | Steve Vivero | That's Officer Ritz. He found a pig. We got a report of a pig loose downtown eating garbage. Nobody believed it. |
| 00:56:29.19 | Ray Withy | When hog wild. |
| 00:56:30.30 | Steve Vivero | Yes, Mr. Mayor, you did. We didn't believe it. We thought it was a raccoon. We just didn't know. And we got a couple reports of it. And sure enough, Officer Rich was on duty, saw the pig running down the street and captured that little guy. We returned him to Pine Street. where it's been reported to me that he got away again. So hopefully they've done something to Get that little guy penned up. These are some significant cases we've had this year, and they all involve the things on the right-hand side. I'm going to focus on the bottom two because they involve multiple agencies and really a maximum amount of victims you can imagine 282 and 302 deal with fraud, drug possession, more fraud, stolen property, burglary, identity theft, excuse me, and a stolen vehicle. Female, I'm going to dance around this case lightly because it is still being prosecuted and due to be heard in Marine County Court just coming up in a few months, so I don't want to jeopardize anything, but I think I can share what I have. |
| 00:57:30.43 | Unknown | on. |
| 00:57:34.16 | Steve Vivero | The woman in the middle, her name's Alicia, and in March of 2013, we were called by the Central Marine Police Authority to look for a stolen vehicle at her address. The person reporting the crime said that he knows that she had the vehicle without his permission. So we went there, we looked for the vehicle and didn't find it. We were looking for other, you know, evidence or people that may have witnessed her being around. And as we're doing that, she drives up in the stolen vehicle. |
| 00:57:54.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:57:54.83 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:58:02.96 | Steve Vivero | So we detain her. Central Marine comes over and arrests her for the crimes that they had involved, and now we have a crime in Saucena where we recovered a stolen vehicle. So we begin the investigation. With fraud, like no other crime, there's such a web, and on that web is so many different things that if you stop at one point, you are likely missing the rest of the picture. And if we were to stop at the car or if we were to stop at her home, we wouldn't have got all the pieces that are involved in this. She is at the center of basically a huge fraud crime, and I won't call it a network, because they're not that organized, but a lot of people are involved. She had a credit card-making device. She had a credit card magnetic authorizer. She had the ability to make credit cards, and that one there is starting to become a Bank of America credit card. She had blank credit cards. She had drugs. She had drug paraphernalia. She was in possession of a stolen vehicle. She was in possession of stolen property. She had laptops. She had thumb drives with hundreds if not thousands of people's names. there You know, important information, business information. We had a victim in Washington. We had a victim we contacted that has had her identity repeatedly stolen since 2006. We had a lot of people that got some closure with capturing this woman, and she lived in Like I said, the case could have easily been stopped at we caught her with a stolen vehicle and we're going to go 10-8 back in service. But the officers on duty and the detectives with the Central Marine Agency and all the other agencies that were involved kept pushing and pushing and pushing. This is a big case and it should hopefully be concluded with this person being convicted. But it shouldn't be underestimated about how much work goes into something like this because that web is so hard to decipher when you're not involved. I mean, I'm stupid. I can barely pay my bills, you know. I'm not looking at trying to cheat people out of things, but when you look at people who try to cheat people out of things, They're smart, but they're also very greedy. So that's that case right there. I'd like to thank you for your time tonight. This is our lovely staff of the police department. It's been an honor to be here. Hope you haven't taken too much of your time. And if you have any questions, I'm sure the chief can answer them, because I don't have a lot of knowledge. |
| 01:00:28.68 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry. That's not the new officer, is that right up there? |
| 01:00:34.67 | Ray Withy | The pig is now the. |
| 01:00:35.24 | Steve Vivero | The thing is now for me. |
| 01:00:37.98 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 01:00:38.55 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:00:39.36 | Ray Withy | Steve, thank you very, very much. Good presentation. And thank you, Chief. Is there any, we have any questions of them? |
| 01:00:49.91 | Thomas Theodores | I had a question of the chief, if that's okay. |
| 01:00:52.91 | Ray Withy | You usually do. |
| 01:00:54.26 | Thomas Theodores | Two questions, and they're somewhat tangentially related to your presentation, but do you want to comment on the recent couple of emails about the thumb drive and just to make sure it's on the, you know, I've been getting those emails and I don't know if you want to use this opportunity to communicate with the staff. |
| 01:01:14.17 | Unknown | So the thumb drive has been recovered. We sent that email out. Unfortunately, an employee's vehicle was broken into, and he had his work keys and the thumb drive in the vehicle. His vehicle was burglarized. It was locked. And the reason he had it in his vehicle is because he was the employee who worked between the police department and the booth and transferred that information down to the parking lot and back during the course of his duty. He's a student at SF State, went to SF State, locked his car, and it was broken into. We have recovered it. The person who recovered it didn't look at the thumb drive, had no reason to. You know, we learn from our mistakes, we own them, we explain them, and we've done that. It should not have happened. Sometimes you don't think of what people are going to do. and you're surprised when it does happen. But we've taken measures, we've changed our policy to be specific about not taking anything that has identifying information outside of the department and maintaining confidentiality. We've looked at other areas. We have, I just got our DOJ audit back. We passed with flying colors. So I am very confident this was a one-time incident that, you know, there's no chance of happening in the future, if everybody does what we're supposed to do. But we apologize to the community for that. It should not have happened. |
| 01:03:01.35 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Any other questions? |
| 01:03:03.10 | Sandra Bushmaker | Mr. Mayor, I have a couple questions. So I have one question from a resident regarding encryption of the drives in the future, you know, some way. Could you respond to that? Yes. |
| 01:03:12.32 | Unknown | you know, some way have, |
| 01:03:13.61 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 01:03:14.11 | Unknown | Could you read? Yeah, so... Anything that has to go on a drive from now on will be an encrypted drive. We've already researched it. We've found one that meets our needs. It will be a rare occasion when something is put on an external drive. And now we have to get permissions to do that and explain why it's necessary. |
| 01:03:17.07 | Sandra Bushmaker | anything. |
| 01:03:37.14 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you, Chief, and I appreciate the outreach you did in such a timely manner on that as well, you know, as the new newsletter. It's just great. But my next question is, has to do with the report with respect to, I see a category for moving violations. And it's my understanding that you've grouped cars and cyclists together. Is that the case? And I guess if that is the case, is there a possibility of splitting that into moving violations auto versus, I mean for the future, you know, when you come before us in the future, moving violations auto and then moving violations bicycle? |
| 01:04:16.78 | Unknown | you know, when you're |
| 01:04:22.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:23.56 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 01:04:23.58 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:04:23.97 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 01:04:24.03 | Unknown | do that. |
| 01:04:24.52 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 01:04:24.68 | Unknown | Okay, great. Thank you. And in fact, I can send you all an email with that information, that breakdown for this January through June, if you like. |
| 01:04:34.63 | Sandra Bushmaker | Great, thanks. Yeah, I'd be interested. Thank you very much. Very interesting and informative presentation from both of you and inspiring. Thank you. Oh, and also, well, I'll hold my comments because I've finished my questions. |
| 01:04:48.52 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:04:48.55 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:04:48.64 | Ray Withy | Okay, any other questions? |
| 01:04:49.92 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. I have a question, again, it's a leading question. I believe there's an exercise happening tomorrow. Thursday. Yeah, Thursday. Okay, if you want to give yourself a little... Plug. You and the Southern Marin folks a little plug. Go right ahead, I think. |
| 01:04:58.21 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:05:01.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:05:01.50 | Ray Withy | yourself a little... |
| 01:05:06.44 | Unknown | So every year we do an exercise in disaster preparedness, and this year's event is on Thursday. It'll be at the EOC, where you will see management staff as well as other city staff responding to a disaster. I believe this year it's a plane crash. And so we'll be tasked with responding to that and figuring out what our resources are, how to deploy them and deploy our staff as well as collaborate with other agencies, who do we need to collaborate with, whose jurisdiction is it, lots of issues to work on that day. So if any member of the public wants to come, they can come and take a peek at what we do and listen in. |
| 01:05:56.59 | Thomas Theodores | And what time should they show up? |
| 01:05:58.65 | Unknown | It is at 12.15. Starts at 12.15 and it will go until about 4.30. |
| 01:06:06.95 | Adam Politzer | And I just want to expand on that plug because I appreciate the Vice Mayor's Thank you. opportunity disaster preparedness is high on the priority calendar. and you've had reports from Sergeant Frost in the past But this is a real exercise in the city staff at all levels of the operation take this very, very seriously. Sergeant Frost and the department does a good job of bringing in outside evaluators to watch how we're performing. give us feedback at the end of the training. So it's a time commitment for everyone involved but obviously it puts us in a very good position when a disaster happens. We've done Land Movement. We've had of. disasters on the ferries, WE'VE HAD ALL TYPES OF FIRES. all types of trainings over at least the last six years THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED THAT HAS AS WELL-TRAINED And we're moving, as the chief said, we're moving past just the managers. We're not all going to be here. Some will be on vacation. Some won't be able to get to town. So looking at everybody on the bench, Everyone on the team has a role and are able to step in and perform at a high level. So I think that the community should be proud of this effort and feel again that we are prepared if something were to happen and hopefully nothing happens anytime soon, but be assured that we're ready to go. |
| 01:07:39.35 | Thomas Theodores | Well, thank you, Chief Tejada, and thank you for the presentation. I'm also concerned about these rising crime statistics that you talked about, particularly burglary and grand theft. And you mentioned that they're also going up in the rest of the Mariners that roughly Um, Thank you. relatively the same or is it different? And I guess the other thing is, And I certainly don't report to be an expert in crime. But I understand some of the national statistics in crime are coming down. And I'm kind of surprised that we're having this market jump in some of these major crimes in Sausalito. It was fantastic. |
| 01:08:18.34 | Unknown | I'm not equipped to answer that question completely, but we're not unlike any other city in Marin County in terms of what we are seeing. And some of it has to do with the economy. Every agency, with the exception of one of two, has decreased staffing levels, and that means that our predictive policing model that we all love, we can't do it, because when we notice a trend, maybe we only have one officer for that week on duty, so we can't dedicate that resource to that person. crime. So a lot of things come into play. And, uh, You know, we're in good shape. |
| 01:09:02.98 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 01:09:03.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:04.43 | Sandra Bushmaker | Mr. Mayor, I have a question. |
| 01:09:05.90 | Unknown | Go ahead. |
| 01:09:06.30 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. To follow up on that, I know that in the past you have leveraged the VIPs for kind of supplementing just you know, monitoring neighborhoods, et cetera. Have you considered expanding their use a little bit more with respect to safety? If maybe, it's a question, you can maybe educate us. |
| 01:09:34.57 | Unknown | I've considered everything. I'm known for thinking outside the box and pushing the envelope. We've considered everything. One of the considerations we have is what are the abilities of the VIPs. We don't want to tax them too much. We don't want to give them something. It's not a paid workforce, so you're going to have them available when they're available. And do they have participated in traffic control they're working on a special project for me right now some of them so some administrative work they're really good at getting that done for us the neighborhood patrols I have to it has to be designed so they the risk to them is minimized. I cannot expose them to risk as much as possible. So there are certain things that I cannot engage their services in. But we are using them to the full maximum that we can, given what we have available. And they really do a great deal of work for us, thousands of hours, |
| 01:09:52.47 | Unknown | It's not a... |
| 01:09:53.03 | Unknown | I hate the film. |
| 01:09:53.67 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:10:46.61 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 01:10:48.53 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 01:10:49.86 | Sandra Bushmaker | Mr. Mayor, I have a follow-up question on that. Actually, not regarding the VIPs, but regarding some of the statistics with the increase in crime Have you seen a tendency of like the theft along the waterfront or you know, the theft with respect to the rental buy, I mean, have you seen trends that would possibly point to certain sections or certain |
| 01:11:15.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:15.43 | Sandra Bushmaker | So obviously, |
| 01:11:16.04 | Unknown | with the bicycles, it's happening for the most part down in the ferry landing area and along the bridgeway. So we can be certain that most of that is happening there. The vehicle thefts from vehicles, vehicle burglaries are mostly happening up in the residential areas. Along the waterfront, because of the increased patrols, we've had some, I saw one month we had two vessel thefts, another month we had three, so like kayaks and dinghies and that, so you see an upswing there. It doesn't mean that it's happening more than before, it just means that we're there to respond to it and people are reporting. |
| 01:12:02.78 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:12:04.28 | Ray Withy | Any other questions here? This time here, any questions? |
| 01:12:07.22 | Adam Politzer | Hold on, I'm sorry Mr. Mayor. Being a baseball person enjoying stats, I really want to clarify something here because it's important because I think these are good questions and I think the chief's response |
| 01:12:19.59 | Unknown | you |
| 01:12:21.11 | Adam Politzer | are valuable but we're I want to make sure that we're not alarming the community that we are in a dangerous time. We're talking about basically double digit numbers and numbers that when you look at it, so when you look at some of these statistics like on theft grant, theft petty, you're looking at 22 additional that occurred. So as the chief explained earlier, with the volume of tourists The majority of those types of crimes in the petty theft and grants being bicycles And they mentioned some number per month And with a high number of 12, you can start eliminating, you can start shrinking that 22 crimes. down to either of the the same or less than the year before. You know, so... And the one that was the most important that lost a little bit at the end because I thought the chief an outstanding job talking about the importance of reporting and supporting reducing and eliminating domestic violence. That one was significantly reduced, you know, 11 down to 5. in that same reporting period of time. So, you know, I think it's important As the chief has said, and I think as the council support. that we want to do everything to keep our town safe, I think our sergeant earlier Steve talked about how hard they are working with the resources that they have with people out being injured. or on family leave. and people coming in and doing their jobs when they could be on vacation. or enjoying. Time off. So I don't want folks to leave tonight's meeting with the impression that we're less safe than we were last year because I think we can make a pretty solid argument that we are as safe as we were last year, and I would actually argue that we're safer based on the good work of the department. So I think that's important that we don't lose sight of that. We continue to work hard. to educate. and engage the community on tools that they can do to protect themselves, and help us, and as the Chief always says, if you see it, Say it. and to make sure that we leave that impression with our community. |
| 01:14:40.12 | Ray Withy | Good. |
| 01:14:40.43 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:14:40.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Any questions at this time here from the public? Okay, bring it back. Any comments? |
| 01:14:49.39 | Unknown | Could I just say one more thing? Thank you. |
| 01:14:50.76 | Ray Withy | Yes, you may. |
| 01:14:51.85 | Unknown | Thank you. It's really important to recognize the people of the police department. We had an exceptionally tough summer from April to August at less than minimum staffing. At one point one week, we were down to 42% of our authorized staffing, which meant that everybody in this room Captain Robarker, Lieutenant Skoog, Don Barber, who's sitting down there beside Jonathan, Sergeant Vivereau. Everybody in the department gave 110%. I know Steve gave up vacation. 12 weeks in a sergeant's position, as well as doing his own work. Captain Robacher was a watch commander, was an officer, parking enforcement. Everybody just rolled their sleeves up and jumped in. And I just couldn't be more proud of the people of the Sausalito Police Department. And I just want to convey that to you, that they care about the city. They care about the safety. They really have their hearts in the right place. It's just a great department with stellar, stellar people. And so, hats off to you guys. |
| 01:15:55.42 | Unknown | Please defer. |
| 01:16:12.11 | Unknown | Be here. OK. Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:16:14.30 | Sandra Bushmaker | Mr. Mayor, well, I just want to echo that. I so appreciate that. what everything that you guys do, your department, the officers, just stellar. You set a high bar. I think for us and I know the feedback that I've received from residents is very, very appreciative. you just hearing also what you've done and the details around that, the investigation was just so insightful. So a big thank you. I also wanted to acknowledge the department for the newsletter that you've started because that's great, the outreach, you know, going out to the community to keep folks informed. And I think that having these updates where we're informing the public, we're making it transparent as to the crime trends and what residents can do to be proactive and what we need to be aware of is a good thing. what's happening, where the trends are. and also what the numbers mean. So for example, the insight regarding, well these are bike thefts downtown in the busy tourist section. So this sort of thing. And I just want to say, you know, again, just a big thanks to the department for everything you guys do. It is very much appreciated. And also that personally I have also had a lot of feedback from residents with respect to moving violations with bicycles. And we've discussed this before. So I'm looking forward to seeing that category in particular kind of broken up to kind of get some insight as to Um... how we might, you know, get a clarity on just how often that is happening with the moving violations with cyclists. because of course that does impact you know, the safety of our, you know, pedestrians and it's something that we need I think, to shine a light on. So, but I want to thank the |
| 01:18:22.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:22.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:24.27 | Sandra Bushmaker | you know, excellent presentations and everything you're doing is very much appreciated. |
| 01:18:31.28 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you very much. Thank you. |
| 01:18:33.05 | Thomas Theodores | Let me just say, I know, and I'll try to be brief as possible for me, that first of all, I appreciate you guys doubling down on the staffing, and I think some of that is reflected, I think, what you said. I think our department is being very selective on who we hire rather than just fill positions, which is a good thing for the community as a whole and for you performing your jobs. There's a lot of departments aren't working that way in parts of the Bay Area. Currently, they've got to take who they get. And luckily, you guys are taking the responsibility on yourselves to offset that shortfall. And certainly, the job you guys do is not an easy one. It is sometimes a thankless one. And you deserve some thanks for it. |
| 01:18:37.45 | Thomas Theodores | Amen. |
| 01:19:22.29 | Thomas Theodores | I'll just tell you one story. So I was doing coastal cleanup one Saturday. Saturday we got that huge rainstorm, and I forget who was doing the parking meter stuff. They were out there getting soaked with me, emptying the parking meters. If it were me, I would have chosen not to do it if I were them. But that's the dedication to making sure that everything keeps going at the lowest level of that I don't have to do this, that guy decided I had to do this and got stoked. And as far as the VIPs go, I think you're well aware of the limitations of what they can and can't do. We've seen in other communities across the nation where that can cross the line and cause trouble, where community policing can go can get itself in its own way. In Florida? but you're well aware of that. You don't need my guidance on that. As far as the staffing goes, I know I give you a hard time when it comes budget time about staffing and equipment and I... Let me say I give everyone the equal hard time, because we're here to watch the pennies to a certain extent as part of our job. But we want to give you guys the tools to perform your job and keep the community safe. That's at the highest level of responsibility, I think, for us up here. So we're always open to ideas. And if we can find the money, we'll find the money. Okay. |
| 01:20:45.03 | Ray Withy | You got it? Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:20:46.19 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:20:47.19 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:20:47.39 | Unknown | See. |
| 01:20:47.76 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:20:48.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:52.42 | Ray Withy | See you downtown tomorrow. |
| 01:20:54.78 | Ray Withy | LAUGHTER |
| 01:20:59.32 | Ray Withy | Okay, moving right along then. Next item we have is the update on the Spinnaker Anchor Sewer Project. Jonathan Goldman and Andy. Good evening. |
| 01:21:11.03 | Andrew Davidson | Yes, I'm Andy. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Council, City Manager, and of course, Director of Public Works, for this opportunity to present to you an update on the Priority Warden, Spinnaker Anchor Sewer Rehabilitation Project. |
| 01:21:17.77 | Unknown | Of course. |
| 01:21:29.41 | Ray Withy | Dig right into it. |
| 01:21:30.41 | Andrew Davidson | Yeah, here we go. What's happened so far? As a reminder, in January of this year, with a couple of resolutions, you authorized a contingent award both to the contractor, Bay Pacific Pipelines, and to the construction manager and inspector, Wes Yost. The reason for the contingent award was that the city is dependent on Clean Water State Revolving Fund to help finance this project. In March of that year, the city received notification that the SRF, or the State Revolving Fund, had an approval of the award, and so shortly thereafter, the city was a big deal. a notice of award was given to the contractor. following the notice to proceed was given to the contractor with a start date set at September 16th of 2013. So the reason for the gap there between April getting the notice of award and actually going to construction in September is that the construction documents for this project required an excavation blackout until Labor Day to alleviate the impacts your downtown, the central part of your community here. |
| 01:22:49.31 | Andrew Davidson | So I wanted to give you a project overview. You probably haven't seen it for a while. And this is just a schematic, but it really is probably the best way to describe the project. Go on the left. When the laser comes up. Here is a spinnaker restaurant. It never looks so simple. In the Spinnaker restaurant, two things are happening. plumbing is being bifurcated. The restrooms are being separated from the kitchen waste. So the kitchen sinks and such will carry waste through a new pipe into a grease interceptor located in the parking lot outside of Spinnaker. In that interceptor, as you might imagine, the grease will be extracted from the sewage. Grease is a hardship on sewers, making the sewers clog and causing a lot of grief downstream. In this grease interceptor, staff, whomever is hired, will be able to maintain it, clean it out on a regular basis. The sewage from the restrooms bypass the grease interceptor and both converge downstream of the grease interceptor, flow downstream to a new pump station going in adjacent to the Sausalito Yacht Harbor's maintenance building. A new pump station's going in there because we're putting in a new force main from that location downstream to the intersection of Humboldt and Bay Street. The reason for a pump station at this point, right now it's a gravity line. However, that gravity line is not it's flowing in one direction, it undulates. So it goes up and down, up and down, which is also an issue related to sewers. You eliminate the velocities and they don't stay clean. Thank you. So a new force main is going in, and it's actually going in by being slipped into the existing undulating Gravity lines. And that allows for simpler construction. There's already something, a carrier pipe, that will accept the smaller diameter force So that reduces cost and makes construction simpler. So from the pump station, the sewage flows downstream to Bay and Humboldt. And from that location at the intersection of Bay and Humboldt to the Anchor Street pump station, which is located in parking lot one, right at Humboldt and Anker. A new gravity main will be installed. And that will be installed by cut and cover methods, meaning there's actually going to be a hole. The street's going to be cut, the asphalt's going to be dug up, trench will be dug, pipe will be laid, and it'll all be backfilled. At the pump station itself, it's going to be rehabilitated. That's the Anchor Street pump station. New valve pits, new valving, new piping. And from there, the sewage will flow and be injected into the existing Sausalen Marin City Sanitary and off to the wastewater treatment plant. So that's the project in a whole. I'm glad you look into it. |
| 01:25:51.77 | Ray Withy | I'm glad you... |
| 01:25:52.96 | Unknown | Glad you looked into it. |
| 01:25:55.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:25:55.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:25:55.28 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:25:57.23 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:25:57.28 | Thomas Theodores | audience. |
| 01:25:57.42 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:25:57.89 | Andrew Davidson | Yeah. |
| 01:25:57.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:25:57.98 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 01:25:58.63 | Andrew Davidson | So that was the best picture. Now I'm going to give you a picture I thought would show it better, but it really doesn't. So I'm just going to kind of blast through this one. Just for geography, there's the Bank of America. Here is parking lot one. Humboldt The image is actually cut here and rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise. So Humboldt and in this direction out towards the Susselley Yacht Harbor's maintenance shed out here. And then way over here is the Spinnaker restaurant. So where are we today? budget. The lowest responsive bidder was Bay Pacific, and their bid was $1,046,100. And you actually approved the total construction budget of $1,150,710 to include contingencies. As of now, there are a total of four approved change orders. and their current value is $6,400. The remaining contingency is $98,210. And the construction management budget, the overall budget is $187,000. |
| 01:27:14.23 | Andrew Davidson | schedule. Well notice to proceed was early September, well September 16th. The project is contractually 182 days without due to weather or other unforeseen occurrences, which would take that to the middle of March of next year. Progress of work. Basically through the middle to end of September, the contractor mobilized the site. They got their construction fencing up, occupied, a portion of Lot 1 and a portion of Lot 2 at that time. They've installed their stormwater pollution prevention measures to ensure that construction debris doesn't wash into the bay through this public storm drain system. They removed the tree, the ficus tree at the corner of Humboldt and Anchor, right at the corner there at the parking lot one. That had to be removed because of the installation of the new pipe and the trench was going right underneath that tree or right next to it and it couldn't safely be done with that tree. contractor also has potholded selected utilities. That basically means they've dug them up and exposed them to find out exactly where they are horizontally and vertically so that they will know where their holes are supposed to go. They've begun the sanitary sewer lateral installation from the intersection of Bay and Humboldt towards the Chandlery Building or 100 Bay Street. This project will take care of roughly half of that lateral. The remaining lateral will be reconstructed by the property under the Saucily Yon Harbor. They also removed the parking lot one kiosk. Members of the PD wanted to assist in that removal, but they were denied. |
| 01:29:08.60 | Andrew Davidson | May we're denied entry. this upcoming month. What we're expecting to see is they'll finish that sanitary sewer lateral, or the project will, and then the Yacht Harbor probably will complete their component as well. They're gonna remove and replace sanitary sewer manhole 190003, which is the manhole, I think, at the anchor. That's the one at the Anchor Street pump station. That's gonna be fully removed and replaced. They're going to begin installation of the sanitary sewer main in Humboldt. So that's gonna be the most disruptive component for this project where they're actually gonna trench across Anchor and then get across onto Humboldt and then to the manhole in Bay Street. You probably noticed that lot two has been fully occupied by the contractor. They initially were able to just occupy it partially for a while, but as they got into it, it was deemed not safe to share with residents or people wanting to use a lot in the construction equipment and the storage of materials. So it was fully occupied. construction photos. These are pretty recent. On the left is the foundation for the kiosk. The actual pump station, the Anken Street pump station is over here. This foundation will eventually come out. This is Bay Pacific's excavator. They're working on the lateral here. The backhoe belongs to Sausala Yacht Harbor's contractor and in the middle they show me. |
| 01:30:45.46 | Andrew Davidson | There's a foot and that's a rock in the hole going up. So you have to pull the foot out of the hole. In a hard place, isn't there somewhere too? I'm not sure what they pulled out of the hole, either the foot or the rock. But this is for the trenching for the sanitary sewer lateral. They're encountering some interesting things there as you might expect. They're adjacent to what may have been an old bulkhead. a railway line and who knows what else might be encountered. in the vicinity that was encountered in the bulkhead project, but hopefully we won't find that again. So that's a rock that was dug out. On this, this is the trench for the lateral. There's wood piling being run into consistently. You can't see it, it's hard to see, but it's right here. This is a storm drain pipe. It's a city storm drain pipe that was known to be there. It was marked in the field using the underground service alert on the drawings. What's interesting here is that to the left of the laser light, that's downstream, is actually I think it's upstream, is the pipe is supported by a pile. There's a pile right here. To the right, the The pipe is not supported by a pile and it has dropped in elevation. The joints have offset, so the inverts of the pipe do not meet, and water has been coming out of there for who knows how long. And this trench had to be over-excavated to get the Thank you. the poor soils out and additional rock will be required to be placed in there. And I believe that's my last slide here for this. So we're early on in the project. Hopefully it's going relatively smoothly, I think. During that time period this summer where they weren't in construction, we had every two weeks we met on a conference phone to work on submittals and get questions and trying to move forward with it so the contractor is pretty much ready to go. There are always issues in construction and things and I expect we'll find more. Thank you. But there you have it for now. So if you have any questions, I'd be happy to entertain them and try and answer them. Questions? |
| 01:32:56.21 | Thomas Theodores | What's your anticipated completion date at this point? Mid-March. |
| 01:32:56.61 | Andrew Davidson | just. |
| 01:33:00.56 | Andrew Davidson | Mr. In March, March 17th is the 182 days, if I calculated it right, from September 16th. I think contractually there is about, it's either five or seven days of weather-related time that won't extend that end date. But beyond that number, then the end date begins to extend, and then there are always, of course, unforeseen circumstances that cause delays. And hopefully we don't run into many of those. So we're looking at mid-March right now. |
| 01:33:29.55 | Ray Withy | Okay. Okay, does that have any questions from the public? Okay, bring it back up here. Finish up with any comments. Okay, Andy, Jonathan, thank you very, very much. And we'll stay tuned. |
| 01:33:46.06 | Andrew Davidson | not quite as inspiring as the |
| 01:33:47.56 | Ray Withy | he's like |
| 01:33:49.06 | Thomas Theodores | Oh no, it's inspiring. |
| 01:33:50.69 | Ray Withy | Yeah, man. |
| 01:33:51.64 | Thomas Theodores | It's good for the environment. |
| 01:33:51.71 | Ray Withy | It's good for the environment. This is a deeper issue. |
| 01:33:52.79 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:33:52.89 | Thomas Theodores | This is... |
| 01:33:57.55 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, as you're transitioning to the next item, maybe we can ask our Public Works Director to share a recent promotion |
| 01:34:09.19 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you very much for reminding me. I had actually forgotten that the council wasn't aware of that. And this is a perfect occasion to let the council and members of the community know that after an internal recruitment, we very successfully convinced Andy Davidson to accept a promotion to senior civil engineer in Department of Public Works. And so effective, probably September 24th, he assumed that title. And not only is that wonderful, but with the retirement of Todd Teachout, which happened at the end of June, Andy really stepped up. Not that he wasn't pretty far stepped up, even when Todd was here, but the workload in our department with only two engineers is pretty significant. It's significant among three of us. But in addition to my being grateful for Andy's applying for the position and for being willing to accept it. I'm grateful for the fact that he was willing to step up without the promise of any of that happening. So I want to congratulate him. |
| 01:34:36.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:34:36.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:34:36.73 | Unknown | Thank you. you |
| 01:34:54.87 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:35:22.49 | Unknown | I don't. |
| 01:35:26.65 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Andy. Now we'll take the Denver boot off his car so we can go home. But thank you very, very much. |
| 01:35:34.54 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you for the update. And this is just as important work. This is just work that people don't really see, that given the state of this repair and some of these aging infrastructure, we really appreciate, repeat, |
| 01:35:35.66 | Ray Withy | and, |
| 01:35:35.98 | Unknown | it. |
| 01:35:51.42 | Ray Withy | It's okay. |
| 01:35:52.79 | Thomas Theodores | We really value your effort in helping us get up to speed and limit our exposure in these |
| 01:35:53.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:53.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:53.81 | Ray Withy | your heart, your effort. |
| 01:36:01.70 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. I try and stay away. |
| 01:36:05.34 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 01:36:05.46 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:36:05.56 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 01:36:05.83 | Ray Withy | I'm going to go. |
| 01:36:05.90 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:36:06.54 | Ray Withy | Thank you again. |
| 01:36:07.72 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:36:08.80 | Ray Withy | Okay, next, the update on Plaza Viña del Mar, accessibility improvements. |
| 01:36:19.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:36:20.66 | Thomas Theodores | Oh, if I'd known you were staying, you would be a very good person. Now, we might have to criticize you. It would be very awkward. |
| 01:36:22.20 | Ray Withy | Now we might have to criticize it. It would be very awkward. |
| 01:36:28.76 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:36:29.66 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:36:31.07 | Andrew Davidson | It's okay. But now I get to say, good evening, Mr. Mayor, Council. I'm the director of Public Works. I'd like to thank you this evening for giving me the opportunity to present to you an update on the Vini Del Mar Accessibility Project. My name is Andrew Davidson, the senior engineer in the Department of Public Works. Okay. |
| 01:36:38.30 | Unknown | Director of Public Works. Thank you. |
| 01:36:47.12 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 01:36:47.33 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:36:47.60 | Ray Withy | I'm probably working. |
| 01:36:52.68 | Andrew Davidson | I couldn't resist that. So with resolution 5384 of your March 5, 2013 meeting, you approved and appropriated funds for and authorized the city manager to issue a notice of award to Brenneman Incorporated to construct the Viena del Mar Accessibility Project. Notice of the award of this project was issued to Brennan on March 11, 2013. Per the project specifications, the contract duration of the project is 40 working days, or approximately eight weeks. Because of the project, was awarded so close to Memorial Day and the beginning of the high tourist season, city staff felt it better to wait until after Labor Day for the commencement of this project. And Brenneman was really good enough to agree to do that. similar to the Priority One project. So as of this morning, actually, I had contact with them. They would like to start the project in mid-November, so And trying to arrange for a pre-construction meeting and hopefully we will get things going in mid-November. As I stated, the project duration is 40 working days or eight weeks, a couple of months. So there will be some rain in there. it shouldn't extend too much past those two months. So maybe by... January, we'll be done with it. Thank you. Okay, so as a reminder about the project, The project is basically in three areas. |
| 01:38:33.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:35.23 | Andrew Davidson | Sorry about that. The plaza itself and the corner of Bridgeway and El Portal, the corner of El Portal and Tracy Way and then again at the corner of Tracy Way and Bridgeway. |
| 01:38:51.04 | Andrew Davidson | Here at the plaza, the work consists of removing the raised landing and steps and handrails and replacing it with an at-grade concrete scored and colored in a Davis Mesa buff color. at grade matching the sidewalk along Bridgeway. Also replaces the existing asphalt path with a new concrete surface similar to the landing. The existing brick and concrete sidewalk in front of the plaza will be removed and replaced with an exposed aggregate sidewalk similar to what's just north of there. In this location, the ramp at the corner will be replaced, new truncated domes, and similar sidewalk extension of materials to the aggregate base. The existing vault underneath the raised landing will be partially demolished to allow for the landings lowering and controls, the pump controls, lighting, and I think irrigation will be relocated to a new pedestal |
| 01:39:22.74 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:39:50.47 | Andrew Davidson | that will be coated for green, replacing what some people affectionately call the doghouse right here. |
| 01:39:59.84 | Andrew Davidson | at the corners. Here we are at El Portal and Tracy Way. This will become a small plaza area, level with the streets. We have truncated domes, new aggregate sidewalk. Again, that matches what's being placed elsewhere. The scoring pattern as recommended or required in the historical Investigation needs to match the existing scoring pattern. So you can see the semicircles, new benches here. These historic walls will be exposed further at their bases because the landing's going down. So new concrete curbs will need to be installed along the bottom to provide them with lateral support As we move over here to Tracy Way and Bridgeway, Again, a new level landing with the street in this location. A new rock wall that will be similar to the existing rock walls, but not identical. Will be constructed here at the very end. A new ramp. The existing Veterans Memorial Plaza will be reconfigured to align with the top of the ramp, so we won't have any tripping issues here. |
| 01:41:09.33 | Andrew Davidson | So the total encumbrance for this project is $143,000, which includes Brenneman's bid of $117,368, a 9% contingency, a 5% estimated for Project Arborist, we're gonna use Mr. Gerke, and a $10,000 estimation to hire a restoration contractor to refurbish the elephant bases should they require it. As you know, the landing's coming down, so more of these bases are going to be exposed, and so we're going to line up a restoration contractor to investigate, see what their condition is, and make recommendations for repair, and then hire either that person or put that work out to bid. There is someone we're interested in using who restored the fountain, I think, the early part of the last decade. |
| 01:41:45.95 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:42:03.26 | Andrew Davidson | So some impacts here, pedestrian traffic along the sidewalks in this area will be impacted. Brenneman is going to be required to submit a pedestrian management plan. You can see why they're gonna be impacted. And staff will be reviewing that pedestrian management plan and working with them. They also have to provide a traffic control plan to deal with both vehicular and bicycle traffic in this area. Amen. Well, the staff and the contractor are going to make every reasonable effort to minimize noise and inconvenience in the vicinity of this project, but there will be both. That's just the nature of where we are and what's going to happen. So thank you for your time, and I'm happy to entertain questions. Yes. |
| 01:42:52.84 | Sandra Bushmaker | Mr. Mayor? So, has the, have we had some sort of like design review regarding the plaza, the fact that we're replacing the brick, the red brick that's currently there, which with just the cement? Have we had? |
| 01:43:09.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:43:09.24 | Andrew Davidson | Yes. |
| 01:43:13.09 | Andrew Davidson | Yes, it's been through HLV and Planning Commission and it came to, I think, March of this year. |
| 01:43:19.42 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay, I just didn't recall the replacement of the brick with the concrete, I didn't recall that detail. I have a follow-up question, but Mr. Mayor, did you want to do the one question? So my next question was the corner of Tracy Way and Bridgeway. |
| 01:43:28.24 | Unknown | Did you want to do the one question? |
| 01:43:30.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:43:40.53 | Sandra Bushmaker | Did you say that there is going to be a wall constructed around |
| 01:43:47.28 | Andrew Davidson | Right here, just to notice, there's a sidewalk going off across Tracy Way now, or I'm sorry, a crosswalk extending across Bridgeway, so we're going to put a little rock wall right |
| 01:44:01.37 | Sandra Bushmaker | Is that rock wall, is that a bench there that's curved? It's not a bench, it's a rock wall. It's a rock wall? |
| 01:44:04.96 | Andrew Davidson | It's not a bench, it's a rock wall. It's a rock wall? I suppose people could sit there, but it's there really as a barrier to prevent people from just walking out. |
| 01:44:12.89 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay, was that, and the HLB reviewed that degree of detail too? Absolutely. Okay. And then with respect to the war memorial, the World War II War Memorial, I just wanted to confirm that has that been altered at all in terms of space? It looks like it's larger. |
| 01:44:16.64 | Andrew Davidson | Do you think? |
| 01:44:30.80 | Andrew Davidson | What's going to happen right now, I think it's more has a reversing curve in here, right here. And because we're required to provide accessibility and a ramp going down, it was determined that we would trim back the brick to match the top of this ramp so that there wouldn't be a drop. This is ultimately going to be approximately a six inch drop from there down to the landing. So the memorial will be decreased in this area. |
| 01:44:42.44 | Unknown | Thank you. Um, |
| 01:44:43.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:44:55.47 | Unknown | you |
| 01:44:55.52 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 01:44:55.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:01.29 | Andrew Davidson | is now no longer break. |
| 01:45:03.03 | Sandra Bushmaker | But it doesn't impact the... |
| 01:45:06.00 | Andrew Davidson | The statue isn't going to be moved. No, that's correct, but the brick is being re-aligned. |
| 01:45:06.76 | Sandra Bushmaker | The statue isn't going to be moved. you And then... |
| 01:45:12.07 | Andrew Davidson | And also we're providing, you can see right here is an accessible place for someone to sit next to someone. |
| 01:45:23.23 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay, and then with respect to the pipes, I guess, that are currently under the platform in the front, someone told me that there were pipes or plumbings or something. Where will those be relocated to? |
| 01:45:39.02 | Unknown | or something. |
| 01:45:40.04 | Andrew Davidson | Yes, sir. |
| 01:45:40.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:42.21 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so there's right now an underground vault that contains a pump that pumps the fountain and there's some electrical conduit and irrigation timers in there. So the controls are going to be moved to this pedestal right here. The pump will remain. So the plumbing essentially stays the same underground here, but the control conduits and such will be underground and then come out here at the new pedestal. |
| 01:46:13.21 | Sandra Bushmaker | And last question was, I noticed that some of the trees looked like discolored or they were Is there anything that has changed with respect to the health of the vegetation in that park? Because I know we're dealing with such a thin ground cover for the vegetation in that park. It's very fragile. |
| 01:46:33.58 | Andrew Davidson | So related to the project, the palm tree here is the one that's most closely associated with the project. And that's why we have Mr. Gurkha involved, watching over. all the trees in the close proximity, this one primarily. This is a palm tree. I believe this is the one that's discolored. I'm not sure, but it's not associated with this work. And I would actually defer to Mr. Goldman to discuss that. |
| 01:47:05.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:10.00 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, that condition was brought to the city's attention. We've actually consulted with a couple of arborists on it and have a prescription from Bartlett for a soil amendment, I think, that's intended to address the condition. They did a soil test and recommended an amendment. And that amendment has been authorized, but I don't know if it's been applied. |
| 01:47:40.24 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 01:47:42.33 | Thomas Theodores | Any other? Jonathan? Go ahead. Mary, I would appreciate it just for the record. You could add some color why we're doing this, just as a matter of for the record. |
| 01:47:43.86 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:47:45.25 | Ray Withy | Glenn, yeah. |
| 01:47:45.87 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:47:45.92 | Sandra Bushmaker | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:47:54.97 | Mary Wagner | Sure, these improvements were as a result of litigation that was brought against the city years ago. I can't remember the exact date at this point, related to accessibility. And particularly one of the issues was the raised platform and the benches that were at the top. And then it also involved the other improvements that Andy has outlined for you. Tonight it went through a very lengthy hearing process, more than one meeting at the HLB, more than one meeting at the Planning Commission, and more than one meeting up here. I can't even remember how many meetings there were, but certainly all these issues were very well vetted, and now you're seeing the project that's going to start coming to fruition. |
| 01:48:40.43 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:48:41.90 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:48:41.91 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:48:41.93 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:48:41.98 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:48:42.02 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:48:42.03 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. And just for clarity, it was approved, of course it's been approved by the Planning Commission, HLB, and City Council. Are there any changes in this plan since the final approval? |
| 01:48:53.61 | Ray Withy | No. Okay, any other? Thank you, Andy. You're welcome. Thank you. I'll be adjourned. |
| 01:48:59.43 | Andrew Davidson | Thank you. |
| 01:48:59.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:59.50 | Andrew Davidson | You're welcome, thank you. |
| 01:49:02.82 | Ray Withy | Okay. Now let's bring forward Did I? Okay, any public comment on this item? Okay. Okay. Thank you, Andy. Thank you, Jonathan. All right. Let's go forward with, what do we have, 6E, and that is adoptive resolution, which is stating the responsibilities, membership terms of office, and procedures of the BAC. |
| 01:49:36.29 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:49:36.30 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:49:38.43 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 01:49:38.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. So there is no staff presentation, staff went home. |
| 01:49:41.89 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:49:42.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:45.13 | Thomas Theodores | which is understandable. So my question here is really, where this arises from and the goal of these changes for the most part. I did read the staff report. the actual proposed changes And they kind of reversed some changes that were done not that long ago, so I'm trying to understand the need for these changes and what the end goal of them might be. |
| 01:50:23.37 | Thomas Theodores | Let me, if I may, give a couple of comments, and then I'm sure Councilmember Theodorus will. We both are Council members of the BAC, and since we were elected to the Council, or at least since I was elected to the Council, let Tom speak for himself, we realized that we were actually voting members. And so decided that for every action that the BAC has taken, we've abstained in every single one since we were on the BAC. Because in nearly all the other, or in all of the other institutions, |
| 01:50:26.17 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 01:51:08.17 | Thomas Theodores | I mean, at least I'm going to start by addressing that change. And all of the other committees were simply liaisons, you know, guides helping, you know, make sure that, |
| 01:51:10.69 | Unknown | That's true. |
| 01:51:21.06 | Thomas Theodores | there's a good communication between the Council and At least I felt uncomfortable voting on something and then coming up here and voting on it. |
| 01:51:32.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:51:33.21 | Thomas Theodores | And so it seemed that making it consistent with the other Um, committees and would be to turn at least the council member representations into a liaison rather than a formal voting member. Um... felt a little awkward when it is the City Council members at times which were creating |
| 01:51:54.98 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:51:56.79 | Thomas Theodores | So that's the first thing. And then the BAC is also another interesting committee in that, you know, Previous councils have organized it such that Certain members are appointed by the chamber, certain members are appointed by the council, and certain members are appointed by the BAC itself. And the BAC, Uh. decided to make the recommendation that as they liked the concept of having nine members, And so if two council members are only liaisons, they were suggesting that you increase the number of members back to nine. And I can't remember how the it got divvied up, but it was so that the three categories are now three represented. to this. So that was the... sort of more formal structural changes, and then in recognizing that also Quite a few people are termed out, or about to be termed out. I see we have our BAC chairman here, so during public comment, I don't know if Adam wants to add some things. The... We also talked at the BAC about Well, what's the role of the BAC? You were saying you wanted a discussion at the 30,000 foot level, so what's the role of the BAC? And In the past, for whatever reason, since at least my association with it, There was... I came in in the middle of this Marine Economic Forum work that was being done. Um... And there was, had been an emphasis by the members on the Marine ship. You can argue pros and cons of that. I would argue that the BAC has done a pretty good job of bringing an awareness of the economic hub that is the Marine ship. I mean, I don't think anybody realized 3,000 people show up to work every day there before that work was done. If Charlie were here, he would show you the actual economic activity map he's developing. So that's an important awareness. But that's now been transferred to the Marinship-specific Plan Steering Committee to ask the question, should anything be changed, And. I think the BAC has been Um, recognizing that it needs to be its goal needs to be much more holistic, looking at the economic health of the whole city and not just the Marin ship, the real estate, uh... the supporting an understanding of how to sell the tax, et cetera, et cetera. Um, One of it it has embraced, one of the priority goals, the one that actually you and I negotiated in the priority calendar discussion, Thank you. which is actually fairly high up on the priority goal, of perhaps being that's its goal for the year. is to take that broader goal for the city, and there's going to be an influx of a lot of new members looking at the whole economic health of the city, moving away from a marineship focus. And so that's sort of the background of where that came from. And I don't know if, Tom, you think that's a reason. I think you've. |
| 01:55:10.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:55:19.03 | Thomas Theodores | I think you've accurately summarized it. And the problem of the voting was difficult. We had forums. We had to look at two hats. If you look at just on the report today, We were there and of course there was a struggle. No one wanted to endorse. the report, but it was, okay, we have to accept it. Then you get here. Do you, go with what you voted for there. It just presents that type of conflict and we thought we'd be more productive of letting the committee be the voting committee being liaisons. I think the change to nine is a somewhat arbitrary number like anything. I think some of the thinking was that and maybe Adam could correct us if I'm wrong, is that they were able to get a little bit more diversity of expertise in different commercial areas. But again, like any committee, the numbers, there's no magic to the number nine. |
| 01:56:06.98 | Thomas Theodores | I mean we lost Eckhart, right, which means we had no real estate. |
| 01:56:07.04 | Thomas Theodores | I'm not sure. |
| 01:56:14.16 | Thomas Theodores | That's an important thing if you're gonna look at the overall economic health of the city. We need real estate, realtor representation there as well as, you know, |
| 01:56:32.85 | Thomas Theodores | is that, so the And Mary, correct me if I'm wrong in reading this. So the staggering of term language that's being removed, can you just clarify what that is and why that language is in there to begin with and why it needs to be, or what it does and why we need to remove it? Is that a quorum issue or is that a? |
| 01:56:46.92 | Unknown | and, |
| 01:56:57.25 | Thomas Theodores | I claim no knowledge of whether it's good or bad. I'm just saying, I'm wondering who |
| 01:57:03.64 | Mary Wagner | I have to look at it. |
| 01:57:04.57 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. Because, I mean, one of the reasons we changed this, and I can't remember what the vote was, but at the time was to, we sort of, because there were people on it that were on it like for 14 years. And so we put in that, hey, you only get two terms here and you've got to move on. So that, because that's the same as any other board and commission in Sausalito. Yeah, so, hey, that's just the way it goes. But also, if the community changes, the underlying representation needs to change, too. And also, it shouldn't be like a little fiefdom in any way, shape, or form. But that's not changing as far as the terms. |
| 01:57:46.10 | Thomas Theodores | That to my, if I recall that hasn't actually been discussed at the back. Okay, no, I'm just clarifying. |
| 01:57:50.15 | Thomas Theodores | at the back. OK, no, I'm just clarifying. |
| 01:57:52.98 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 01:57:53.17 | Thomas Theodores | So, okay. I understand your points about, you know, council members voting. And I felt the same when I had to sit on this committee, so that it's somewhat awkward, to say the least. My one question would be if you have quorum problems, having more people is just going to create more quorum problems. So diversity aside, what we've done with other commissions is shrink them so we actually could have a quorum. Because to get, you know, sometimes to get five people to even show up for a nine-person committee is a tough road, but maybe you can comment on that if you want. |
| 01:58:27.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:27.36 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:58:27.41 | Unknown | you know, |
| 01:58:36.44 | Ray Withy | Yeah, it's going to hit me. |
| 01:58:37.53 | Thomas Theodores | especially at 8.15 in the morning. |
| 01:58:38.80 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:58:38.82 | Thomas Theodores | Right, right. 8.15 on a Tuesday or whatever. |
| 01:58:38.97 | Ray Withy | Right, right. |
| 01:58:44.66 | Unknown | Good evening, Adam Krivace, 840 Olima Street. I would like to explain the desire to increase the number of members of the BAC with the very simple fact that we would like to be more a working committee. Until now, we were more of a think tank and whenever tasks, we had a tough time performing those tasks between meetings because there were some absentees and some sicknesses or some personal problems. and We could not form two or three subcommittees. who would be pursuing certain tasks. There was only one exception when Before Christmas, three people got together and in four days surveyed businesses in town and came up with a statistical compilation of what kind of businesses we have here. It was a fantastic effort. So... We would like to operate. as a working committee. approaching and considering the needs of the entire business community and the residents as well. The number of residents is now two. It will be increased to three. That means we add 50% more resident representation. and We thought through what kind of business representation we would like to have on a committee and it definitely should have downtown. It should have Hospitality, it should have waterfronts, and It should have. people who know about transportation and parking should have people who know about real estate, commercial real estate So, We... We needed to beef up our broader understanding of the community through the very expertise of the members. So that And person who is a downtown person can speak to issues right there. a person who is in hospitality can address questions that arise right here. And that is the ideal I don't know how close we can get through the applications today, but I would like to urge And then. selection process of people who will, you will interview people to think about the list, I could provide that list, or Lily could provide the list of the types of representation of disciplines we were trying to fill on the committee in order to be a well-rounded committee. And that's the end of my comment. Nine people is not a magic number, but it's better than seven. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:02:14.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:02:14.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:02:14.24 | Sandra Bushmaker | So, Mr. Mayor, I don't have a question. I have discussion comments, so if we're still in questions, I will wait. Well, actually, I have a question, but I don't think I can get an answer on that tonight. I can ask the question and see if Mary, perhaps, can respond. I was just curious as to the original charter of the BAC with respect to its division of what the BAC, |
| 02:02:14.28 | Unknown | So, Mr. |
| 02:02:23.54 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:02:28.84 | Unknown | shit. |
| 02:02:32.27 | Unknown | can |
| 02:02:44.64 | Sandra Bushmaker | you know, was supposed to do. I know it's referred to in a brief way in one of the attached resolutions that refers to the May 2, 1995 at a high level but I was just wondering if we had access to that original charter. |
| 02:03:08.77 | Mary Wagner | It would be in the resolutions, Councilmember Pfeiffer. |
| 02:03:11.80 | Sandra Bushmaker | Because the resolution I have refers, one of the resolutions refers to Thank you. Whereas on May 1995, the City Council approved resolution 4296, which established, and I didn't see 4296, the original resolution in my case. |
| 02:03:34.79 | Thomas Theodores | Right. May I? Yes. Go ahead. Yes, definitely. I think in resolution 5090 the charter is simply |
| 02:03:36.71 | Sandra Bushmaker | Yes, Ms. Mayor. |
| 02:03:44.80 | Thomas Theodores | that charged with the responsibility for periodically evaluating the economy of the city and identifying actions to promote the economic health of the business community, as well as other duties as requested by the City Council or was considered advisable by the committee and approved by the City Council. That, as far as I know, is the charter. |
| 02:04:07.14 | Sandra Bushmaker | And yes, and I read this too, but I guess my question was, I would be interested in seeing the original resolution. And the reason I asked for that original resolution and looking at that genesis of the Charter is because I leave and I'm not sure about this. But I believe that one of the genesis behind formation of the BAC was the fact that at one point the chamber and the council. were at odds. and The BAC was seen as a way, one vehicle, for the chamber and the Council and resident representation to come together and discuss in a congenial and a collaborative manner Economic you know aspects because as you know in Sausalud we have a lot of economic diversity Which we value we've got the working waterfront. We've got manufacturing base, we've got the tourism downtown. So that's why I asked about the original charter of the BAC. |
| 02:05:05.02 | Unknown | That's awesome. |
| 02:05:05.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:05:05.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:05:16.85 | Sandra Bushmaker | because I think there was an initial intent that the BAC served that that purpose as a means of kind of collaborating and coming together. |
| 02:05:34.87 | Thomas Theodores | And it does. I don't think there's any disagreement because it's composed of residents and chamber members. So that's the idea. |
| 02:05:43.93 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:05:45.18 | Sandra Bushmaker | and I... I agree that's the idea, but I think that it speaks to the original the designation of how it kind of morphed into having a slightly different makeup in terms of the council representation on the BAC, being voting members, being part of that collaborative process, having an equal voice at the table as opposed to |
| 02:06:06.78 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:06:12.52 | Sandra Bushmaker | you know, being different from some of the other you know, committees or commissions. I'm just sharing my perspective. And the other thing I would add is all due respect. And you don't know this because I've this is your first term, but I recall you know. members of the BAC coming up and telling me and assuring me, point blank, that this economic study, for example, would not focus on the Marin ship. It would not be politicized in that way. It would look at the entire town, What did we wind up with? And that they would look within, they wouldn't get ahead of the process. They would stay within the MSP, the Marinship Specific Plan. And what we came up with was what we, I have. before us that we couldn't, we all had consensus that we weren't going to... you know, move forward with accepting it. So, and I don't blame, by the way, the Marin Economic Forum for the way this turned out. because I know that there were special interests in the BAC at the time that influenced the direction of this economic study. So I guess... Going back to the agenda item and what is being proposed, I am a bit, it gives me pause, but I'm not sure if I'm not sure to change this in a way that where the city council takes back, you know, more of a liaison role. and does not have that vote. And I'm hearing that the intent is that they will be holistic and take the holistic view, but my personal experience has been that I've heard that before, and it hasn't happened. So that's my concern. |
| 02:08:04.37 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I just want to, I mean this is, I don't want to prolong this discussion and our agenda topic is the composition of the BAC. you know, the economic report the, we were arguing about earlier tonight. was specifically about the marineship. So you can't say it should have been holistic. It was about the marineship. |
| 02:08:26.20 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:08:30.98 | Thomas Theodores | So I just want to make sure we're accurate here. |
| 02:08:33.26 | Sandra Bushmaker | Yeah, and to clarify, what I meant was that when it was initially presented for funding, it was supposed, they were looking at the whole town, was my point. |
| 02:08:43.53 | Thomas Theodores | You mean the initial? The initial. |
| 02:08:44.88 | Sandra Bushmaker | The initial, the initial, that I had initially voted for the funding. |
| 02:08:46.37 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. That's previous counsel's business as far as I'm concerned. |
| 02:08:49.94 | Sandra Bushmaker | I'm just. |
| 02:08:50.76 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:08:50.77 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, Linda has some valid points, and I agree there was an attempt to have multiple things to focus upon, and that went by the wayside as a part of this whole thing. There's a little sausage in kind of... |
| 02:09:01.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:01.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:01.89 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:09:01.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:12.02 | Thomas Theodores | softened process here. I'll leave it at that. But be that as me, on this item, I'm willing, look, I changed the way this committee works a little bit a couple of times during my tenure on it. And you're happy to experiment and have fun. God bless for doing it. My one problem with this committee, in general, forget what it does or doesn't do, it's the only committee where people sort of self-elect themselves to it. And it lends itself to kind of this, I'm not saying you, sir, because I think you're appointed by us, because Adam does an excellent job. |
| 02:09:21.96 | Unknown | during the pandemic. |
| 02:09:47.59 | Thomas Theodores | It... It is very different from any other committee in that way. So the one thing that, since you're going to change how it's constituted, and Linda does have a point. My memory, and I wasn't around when this was created, is that it was a way to make the council and the chamber kind of hash things out to a certain degree and add certain other people involved and therefore not have... But before it got here, it had a little vetting before it was something just dumped here and it was not had any council support whatsoever or guidance. That being said, I'm happy to try something different. But I would maybe suggest that perhaps the non-council, it's a council, it's a council, City committee. Right. So whoever sits on a city committee, in my mind, should be somebody that City Council wants to sit on that committee. Um, so that they can be recommended by the chamber and by the BAC itself. But the actual placement on that committee is formalized here. Otherwise, I found in my time there that really there was no accountability on, for a few individuals that, hey, I'm here. And at the end of the day, every other committee is also that serves at the What was the council? What's the right term of art, Mary? The pledge of the council. And that's only important, that's not a power trip on my part, but it's only important because it keeps some sense of we're all in this together rather than let's go in here and butt heads all the time. And that's what being, these other changes, I think you made some very valid arguments. I'm willing to try that as a difference to how it was previously. I found it awkward, A, to be when I was first put on it, when I was the mayor, because I had to be on it, because the mayor used to have to be on this, was the understanding, right? Which makes no sense anyway. But there's no other committee like that in Toslito. But also that you had to vote on something you might not... |
| 02:11:11.07 | Unknown | Pledge you. |
| 02:11:42.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:46.24 | Unknown | YOU KNOW, |
| 02:11:56.73 | Thomas Theodores | enjoy or like or support or whatever, and that created this awkwardness in the room. So I'm happy to kind of disengage from that and try it, come back to it if it's not working. But I would say that these other positions maybe should be recommended positions and then the council votes on them. You can create your own problems that way, but it's kind of check and balance to a certain |
| 02:12:18.01 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I think that's fine. We made some changes to bring it more in line with other committees. We just didn't think it all the way down to its course. So I think it's a good idea. practical common sense, it's a large committee Well, we have to interview every person. I would suggest that possibly we just approve and not necessarily interview on that. That'd be my only, or as we do on other committees. |
| 02:12:38.90 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:12:38.94 | Thomas Theodores | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:12:40.90 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:12:40.91 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 02:12:41.22 | Thomas Theodores | I think you're free to talk to them, whoever's on the list, and at your own... Discretion. Yes, your own initiative. |
| 02:12:46.23 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:12:46.28 | Ray Withy | I wish. |
| 02:12:46.53 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:12:48.62 | Sandra Bushmaker | So what I'm hearing is that these three local business people and or commercial landlords would still be selected by the BAC but subject to council approval? Is that what's being proposed? |
| 02:13:00.83 | Thomas Theodores | All six of the nine, all nine people would have to make any other committee. My goal when I tried to change this was to try to make it more and more like any other committee. This would make it more and more like any other committee. |
| 02:13:03.31 | Sandra Bushmaker | Oh, nine. Oh, I see. |
| 02:13:06.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:13:11.19 | Thomas Theodores | That's exactly where we were trying to go. |
| 02:13:12.82 | Thomas Theodores | If you guys are okay with that, you have to live with it. So it's just a period of time. So if you don't think it's a good idea, let me know. |
| 02:13:15.00 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 02:13:15.32 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:13:16.22 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:13:16.28 | Ray Withy | kids So if you don't think Okay, so I have approval on a recommended action on this. |
| 02:13:28.89 | Thomas Theodores | So do you want to go ahead? I do. You can do it. |
| 02:13:32.40 | Thomas Theodores | So I... So I move that we approved the resolution which restates the responsibilities, membership terms, office, and procedures of the Business Advisory Committee as specified in what was originally in our agenda as item 4B. |
| 02:13:54.25 | Ray Withy | No. |
| 02:13:55.35 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Correct? |
| 02:13:55.70 | Ray Withy | Correct? Yes. |
| 02:13:56.95 | Thomas Theodores | with the caveat that the |
| 02:13:58.88 | Ray Withy | Yes, it was 4B. Let's hear it. |
| 02:14:01.95 | Thomas Theodores | with the caveat that we, the members would have to be appointed by the City Council. They could be recommended as specified in the resolution, but each of the members would have to be formally appointed by the City Council. |
| 02:14:15.84 | Thomas Theodores | So Tom, before I, let me just clarify that, that in this motion we are Going back to the BAC and basically saying, to the Chamber that they will recommend three members that will come before the Council for approval, that the BAC members, as it is called, will be again come forward. But then the other three are, what about the other three? They're already supposed to come forward. So is this, these are the three that the City Council, so the City Council will only interview for the three, The BAC will interview three and recommend to us for approval, and the Chamber will recommend three for approval. Thank you. |
| 02:15:13.33 | Ray Withy | Yep. |
| 02:15:13.35 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Okay, I'll second that. |
| 02:15:15.34 | Ray Withy | Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? |
| 02:15:17.31 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 02:15:19.67 | Ray Withy | Okay. With that, we'll move on to City Manager. |
| 02:15:27.47 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:15:31.18 | Adam Politzer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Councilmembers. Just here's a handful of items for you. We're starting the holiday season. October. and the fall. and which brings Halloween. And as a tradition of the city, we've always had Council table or council tables, depending if you'd like to have your own table But if you'd like to have a community table, We would make that available to you. and just ask that you work with our Parks and Recreation Department with Aaron and Mike. and make sure that you let them know what you would like to do Um, If you have no interest, in having your own table and would just like to come and help at a community table THE COUNCIL TABLE WILL MAKE THAT We'll make that happen. Um, So it's been a great event in the past. Last year it rained, so we're hoping that we don't have a repeat performance. |
| 02:16:26.43 | Ray Withy | And it still was very well attended. It still was very well attended. |
| 02:16:28.24 | Adam Politzer | It still was very well attended. Kids still had fun and still got lots of candy. And the community enjoyed themselves. |
| 02:16:32.84 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:16:36.56 | Adam Politzer | The other item that is coming up on the 17th of October is I hold all hands meeting which is an opportunity for me to address all the staff that are working that day, it's roughly 45 minutes of their time here in the council chambers. talk to them about some of the things that are going on in the city, things that would be of value for all of them to hear. And then also an opportunity for them to ask any questions of me or management staff. things that they may be hearing out there and would like some additional information from the management team and specifically their city manager. We've been doing this now for six years, always well attended, always a handful of questions that are not predictable, but I think many in the room are glad that they're actually asked and creates a very safe and positive environment that people are allowed to question the authorities in a positive way, but also in an informative way. If the council, if any members of the council would like to attend and say a few words. I know that some in the past have. It's from 10.30. to 1130 on Thursday the 17th. We do want to keep everything brief and get to the staff's questions. And if you just want to sit down and observe, you're also welcome to do that. The other item that is going to be a big debate tomorrow night and I'll let Tom speak on this later during council. Report to the MTA meeting. and the Community Center of Marin has made their way through all the various councils in the county and the big meeting tomorrow to discuss what funding options are available to them will be discussed tomorrow night. And if Tom wants to expand on that, he's welcome to do so. a few other holiday related programs, is every year in December, at our last meeting in December, which would be December 10th, We hand out holiday grants as part of our free downtown parking program, which we'll bring to the council for their approval again to allow the meters to be free meter parking for visitors and people that would like to donate towards our humanitarian grant program, we'll take those proceeds. and give them out to worthwhile community groups. you So as council members, you get phone calls and you attend presentations of all these great community groups out there here in town. outside. of town. that are doing great work to help folks in need. We specifically try to target folks in need and look for the basic essentials. So in the past, our local churches, their food pantries have been recipients the Homeward Bound Program. Warm Wishes that basically hands out backpacks full of basic needs like a poncho for rain, toothbrush, basic needs, gloves, Um, In warm clothes. And then the Ritter Center, and we all know the great work that the Ritter Center does here in the county. But again, if there are other worthwhile service. organizations. that you would like to have considered please reach out to them and have them contact me. And then we will interview them, talk to them, find out what they are bringing to our to our community here specifically in Sausage Lee that I think you heard from the Ritter Center specifically how they're working with our Anchor Out community where into our town and working with the folks in need. It's not just that they do great work in accounting. They're actually doing great work that serves our community. That's really the primary focus. please get those folks in contact with me and then in December we will once again award grants there in the neighborhood of $2,000. So it's not a lot of money but for these organizations it means quite a bit. Thank you. Thank you. um, looking through here quickly. We will start moving forward with the budget process. We've started discussions at the staff level. We're looking at two different separate paths here. One is mid-year review to talk about what's going on currently in this budget here of 2013. 14. Thank you. And at midyear, we'll give the council an update on the successes and the challenges with the budget. and then close out this two-year cycle, which is now in our second year of a two-year cycle on June 30th. At the same time, we've started the process of the discussions of the next two-year cycle which will begin July 1st of 2014 and run to June 30th of 2016. So the Finance Committee is already starting those discussions. and planning forward and asking staff questions on things that they would like to have presented to them during that process and many of those items, if not We'll eventually make it to the Council for their consideration and direction. Um, Backing up one step which is part of this process is the strategic planning session. I sent out dates probably over a month ago now looking at various availability of the 20 people that have to participate. and also making sure that we have a facilitator that can conduct Um, THE SESSION. and we've landed on the last state, which was on those options, which is Friday, November, 22nd, which is a little – is a week before Thanksgiving. hold the strategic planning session, on Friday, November 22nd. And then soon after that, we'll be looking at doing another team building with the council and recognizing that it's just... this group here the five of you. and the three of us, We will again look at doing that on a Saturday. and I've also asked our facilitator Sherry Lund who did it last time and will also be our facilitator for the strategic planning session. Um, but I'll be asking her to look at a Saturday date and a Wednesday night date to give us a couple options that have been different than in the past recognizing that You all have busy schedules and weekend and evenings may make it easier for you to attend. So I'll get out some possibility for dates. busy time with people's travels during the holidays and taking some vacation time. So we'll look at the beginning of the middle of December. right after the December 10th Council meeting and then midway into January to try to hold that session. uh, But both of those sessions will really help us as we go into the budget discussion because it's looking at our long range strategic plan, which is we moved away from the back to the basics as being the primary focus and move towards planning towards the future. and so working through the strategic planning session in November, moving to the council team building session, which will give us an opportunity to figure out how we're going to work together to accomplish these goals, and then moving into the budget cycle will hopefully help facilitate a smooth ride moving forward. That concludes my report. Happy to answer any questions on other items. |
| 02:24:35.60 | Ray Withy | Any questions? Comment from the public? Questions? Okay. Okay, with that, coming back then we'll go on to future agenda items. |
| 02:24:53.39 | Sandra Bushmaker | Mr. Mayor? So last week you may have seen in the Marin IJ that Citizens 4 Citizens for Sustainable Pension Plans released their report called Pension Roulette. And they took a... an analysis of all the cities throughout Marin County and looked at pension debt and retirement costs. And I noticed that I believe one estimate of retirement costs, that's medical and pension debt for Sausalito, using a more conservative, I think it was today's bond rate of 4.9% with something around $61 million. And the reason I raised that is because in November, I believe CalPERS will be releasing their latest report on the state of pensions. and pension funding. And it seems like it would be a good time to put this on the agenda. put this on the agenda. Let the public be educated about the current situation. Let's vet all the questions and, you know, just, you know, keep a spotlight on this. And with respect to the strategic planning, too, I hope we're looking at 10 years, not just five years in terms of long-term planning. So anyway, a future agenda item, the pension roulette, that's the report, and the CalPERS, and that would be in November. And I want to thank the council for the consensus in having the Arts Commission agendized for October 22nd. Very happy about that. And so then in terms of a future agenda item, also you probably have seen the letter from resident Carolyn Ravel, regarding the trees, and it goes back to the beautification, the state of the bridgeway medians. So I'm not sure if perhaps we could put that on the agenda and get an update from city staff because I know city staff is making inroads in that area and it might be good for the public to hear that and, you know, Amen. |
| 02:27:19.29 | Adam Politzer | Thank you for that reminder. So, Shelby Van Meter has brought that forward. Council all met with her. Many of them met with her. She came and shared some of the comments that were felt strongly by the community. One of the work staff, specifically Lauren Kent and Jonathan, matched with her. They created an advisory committee, and there's, I think there's five or six, and they've been on a regular basis. I think they have scheduled to have four meetings. They've been meeting at the Chamber of Commerce. They have invited Lauren and Kent to their next meeting. They want to make some recommendations. Their recommendations aren't about how the staff should do their job, it's about how the community can actually be engaged and what public participation could happen in terms of community rolling up their sleeves and making a contribution to our community. So that will happen, I believe, on Thursday. And then they would like to come forward once they've had this meeting with staff to run by some of the ideas. But come forward either at that October meeting or the 31st meeting in November. They want to make sure that they are able to put their presentation together. So I would imagine that we'll see that in the first week in November. So thank you. |
| 02:27:19.49 | Sandra Bushmaker | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:28:41.25 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you, Adam. Okay, so those were the two future agenda items. |
| 02:28:43.01 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:28:43.02 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:28:43.21 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:28:45.13 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. I'd like to remind us that a member of the public many meetings ago, Vicki Nichols, asked that a future agenda item be a reconsideration as to whether the city wants to go with Marine Energy Authority rather than PG&E. I'll briefly talk about Marine Energy Authority in the next item, but I'll let Tom go first with MTA. And I'm suggesting that perhaps that discussion about marine energy should take place in the early spring or actually late winter, maybe February or something like that. setting, when is it, March, April sort of time period if you recall. And right now, based on the commercial rates published, the city would have lower energy costs than PG&E because their commercial rates are lower. That isn't the only thing to factor in. you guys need to do an economic analysis of it. um, they need to come and PG&E needs to come and give a joint presentation. About three, four months ago, Novato actually changed and went with PG&E. And so Sausalito is the last city in Marin County not to actually, and as you recall, I always said it should be a financial decision. Well, the numbers are turning such that we should be fiscally responsible and at least ask the question. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:30:30.67 | Thomas Theodores | Well, on the MTA, actually nothing formally has happened since our meeting two weeks ago. where we will discuss it is tomorrow night. the Court of Madeira. Ironically, it's not going to be televised because they don't have cameras at their city council meetings, so that's... But we will discuss it tomorrow. The... What has happened in the interim is that the media center has made presentations to, I believe, all the city councils, all the cities, with a variety of responses. And I don't want to try to characterize because that would take some time. But suffice it to say that I think as we go in tomorrow, it's really unknown what the result will be. And there are a variety of – there have been some rumors about some other types of proposals, so we really don't know. And I will report at our next council meeting what transpires. |
| 02:31:20.72 | Ray Withy | Okay, thank you. All right. Thank you. |
| 02:31:23.67 | Thomas Theodores | Go ahead. |
| 02:31:25.78 | Ray Withy | Go ahead. No, go ahead. |
| 02:31:27.84 | Thomas Theodores | So Tom and I met with the remnants of the... Oh, sorry. Tom and I met with, as a legislative committee, met with the remnants of the... |
| 02:31:35.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:35.60 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry. |
| 02:31:40.53 | Thomas Theodores | multi-unit housing, whatever it was called before task force. Yes. And I think it was a good move for you guys to sort of send it down the rung a little bit to a working group, because the more we got into it that night, it's like peeling an onion. You see the layers and layers and layers of things. And so it may be a few meetings before it comes back to the Council, and it'll probably circle through the Planning Commission and other things. |
| 02:31:46.66 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:32:15.06 | Thomas Theodores | either after that or before that or whatever the appropriate flow is. But we had, I think, a fruitful discussion. And, you know, I think everybody who came and stayed through the majority of the discussion realized, man, this is kind of a push-me-pull-you issue with the housing element and the multifamily housing kind of overlapping in various ways. So we're trying to get some more information from staff to understand the implications and I think we're meeting, I can't remember what the next meeting is, but in the... So to kind of keep moving forward, but I think what we decided as a group, let's get it right, rather than rush it through the system. And I think the state would rather we got it right than just did something to say we did something and not actually follow through on it. |
| 02:33:12.32 | Ray Withy | Okay. Thank you. Any other reports? |
| 02:33:16.00 | Sandra Bushmaker | I just wanted to say the Butte task force will be on the next Yeah, it's on the 27th. Yeah, it was posted mistakenly on the agenda tonight. |
| 02:33:20.80 | Ray Withy | Yeah, it's on the 27th. Yeah, it was. It was moved to 27th. Okay. Other reports of significance And I have a question on the HLB. How many vacancies are there? |
| 02:33:36.70 | Unknown | There are two. Thank you. |
| 02:33:40.83 | Ray Withy | Um, |
| 02:33:45.39 | Ray Withy | Can we pick... They're having problems getting a quarrel. |
| 02:33:50.50 | Thomas Theodores | You're not, it's not an agenda. |
| 02:33:52.04 | Ray Withy | So we'll do it next time. Okay. |
| 02:33:54.50 | Thomas Theodores | Are there any people to be interviewed for that? |
| 02:33:55.94 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:33:55.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:33:55.99 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:33:56.00 | Unknown | you |
| 02:33:56.06 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:33:57.15 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:33:57.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:33:57.20 | Thomas Theodores | I'm not sure. |
| 02:33:57.24 | Ray Withy | Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. With that, move to adjourn. |
| 02:34:04.10 | Thomas Theodores | Amen. |
| 02:34:05.34 | Ray Withy | All right, never mind. We're going to stay here a while. Move to adjourn. But we can until 10 o'clock. |
| 02:34:07.09 | Ray Withy | Move to adjourn. But we can until 10 o'clock. Thank you. |
| 02:34:16.00 | Ray Withy | Alice, you want to get up and tell us a story or something? We got to tell you. |
| 02:34:18.68 | Ray Withy | So, |
| 02:34:18.70 | Sandra Bushmaker | that. |
| 02:34:19.51 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:34:19.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:34:19.82 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:34:19.85 | Ray Withy | you |
| 02:34:21.30 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:34:21.32 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:34:21.33 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:34:21.35 | Ray Withy | We'll be right back. |
| 02:34:21.55 | Thomas Theodores | to adjourn. Second. Second. Aye. |
| 02:34:22.55 | Sandra Bushmaker | Second. Second. |
| 02:34:24.02 | Ray Withy | in. |
| 02:34:24.08 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:34:24.37 | Jonathon Goldman | Bye. |
| 02:34:24.44 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:34:24.52 | Sandra Bushmaker | . |
| 02:34:24.73 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:34:24.93 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:34:24.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:34:24.98 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:34:26.11 | Thomas Theodores | Nothing gets out. Oh, John, you know, you want to see something else? |
| 02:34:32.39 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you for the opportunity, but no. |