| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:00:00.08 | Unknown | You want me to do this? I thought you had somebody else. |
| 00:00:02.90 | Peter Romanowski | Thank you. |
| 00:00:04.30 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:00:08.67 | Ray Withy | Okay. Excuse me. Good evening and welcome to the October 22nd, 2013 meeting. Debbie, can I please have a roll call? |
| 00:00:21.77 | Debbie | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. |
| 00:00:23.17 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:00:24.38 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 00:00:24.40 | Ray Withy | President. |
| 00:00:24.41 | Debbie | for a while. Councilmember with you. Vice Mayor Leon. |
| 00:00:26.39 | Ray Withy | here. |
| 00:00:27.81 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 00:00:27.82 | Ray Withy | here. |
| 00:00:27.84 | Debbie | here. |
| 00:00:28.20 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:00:28.23 | Debbie | Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:00:28.36 | Ray Withy | Mayor Weiner. Present. Doug, you want to lead us in the pledge, please? |
| 00:00:29.07 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 00:00:34.47 | Ray Withy | Now that you know. Okay. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:00:39.01 | Unknown | Pleasure, legions. |
| 00:00:39.97 | Unknown | to the flag. for the United States of America. |
| 00:00:52.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Doug. Okay, we went into closed session on an existing litigation, and at this time, is there any public comment on that closed session item? Okay. Yeah. Bring it back up here and move to approval of the agenda. |
| 00:01:16.91 | Thomas Theodores | I move that we approve the agenda. |
| 00:01:18.84 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 00:01:19.41 | Thomas Theodores | Second. |
| 00:01:20.22 | Ray Withy | Okay, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. This time here we have special presentations, and that's always a good positive note. And to begin with a presentation by the Sausalito Village on their art show. |
| 00:01:21.69 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 00:01:36.91 | Ray Withy | But it's taking you on. |
| 00:01:38.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:42.80 | Betsy Stroman | So I'm Betsy Stroman, and I am here pinch hitting for Carolyn Zaroff, who was the person who was responsible for this art show. We're talking about these pictures back here. And she was the inspiration for it, and she followed through on it, and she did everything to do with it. But when it came to coming up and taking credit for it, she didn't want to be here. She said she couldn't do it. I'm here, and Tricia Smith is here with me. Come on, Tricia. Um, We want to thank the City Council for the opportunity to show our members' work in such an impressive setting. And this place looked amazing yesterday. Erin Stroud was saying, this doesn't look like city council chambers, Tricia had these brocade tablecloths on these round tables in the middle of the room and all sorts of stuff and we had flowers and a bar over here. Oh, and the music we had. Oh, incredible music trio. Yeah, I mean it was elegant. |
| 00:02:36.60 | Vicki Nichols | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:02:36.75 | Debbie | in the bar over here. |
| 00:02:38.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:41.98 | Betsy Stroman | Um, But anyway, I think our members were very, very happy to have that happen. And we wanted to have it here because we wanted to show the talents of our members and We want you to have to share the accomplishments with the community. And the council chambers is about as good a venue as we could hope for this. And I also wanted to take an opportunity to acknowledge a few people who had a major role in this. First, Carolyn Zaroff, it was her dream and her execution from start to finish She met with each of the artists who was interested in exhibiting She thought there should be a catalog, so she designed the catalog. We're running out of them, but if you don't have one, take one. She took pictures of each person's artwork and of the person, him or herself, as well, and she wrote brief artist statements for each artist. She has a background in public relations, so she put her expertise to work and did the publicity that apparently was responsible for the amazing turnout we had yesterday. And we have no idea what it was, It was somewhere between 100 and 200, I think. It was just amazing. We ran out of food really fast. And before the show, Carolyn said, Betsy, I'm doing the art show. How about how you do the party? And I wasn't thrilled with this, but I thought it was fair. So I said, okay. But I've been learning to delegate in the last few years. So the first thing I did was to ask one of our members, Felicity Kirsch, if a neighbor of hers who I knew was a professional musician, a cellist, could play. And Felicity sounded dubious. You know, this was a professional, and she works for money, and she wasn't sure. But sure, she said she'd love to do it, and she would like to bring two friends who are violinists. So we had three professional musicians playing. |
| 00:03:55.88 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:04:33.07 | Betsy Stroman | And they were just wonderful. It was glorious music. And then I heard from Carolyn that one of our artists, Mary Lou Doré, had a son who runs a winery and that he wanted to donate wine. So I said, fine. And so that's what we served last night until we ran out of it. At the risk of embarrassing Council Member Theodorus and his wife, I want to say that the whole community should be grateful to you for enticing Patricia to move to Sausalito from Burlingame. I mean, this has been an incredible gift to us in Sausalito. Um, When I asked her if she would handle the food for the party yesterday, she said, sure, piece of cake. And so she did it, and she brought in tables and brocade tablecloths and you name it. And, um, As you know, that's just a minor part of what Tricia does with her time. She's head of the Age-Friendly Task Force when we're about to send out a questionnaire that she's been spearheading for several months. And she's also on the Marin County Commission on Aging and serving as an excellent ambassador for us to Marin County and telling us what's happening in Marin County as well. So we have a very, very good person in Marin County. |
| 00:05:47.37 | Lou Warren | I didn't come up here for this. you |
| 00:05:51.49 | Betsy Stroman | Anyway, and the bottom line is that it's not too hard to run a party when you have people like this who are really running the party. And the final thing I wanted to say was about Bob Woodrum. |
| 00:05:51.52 | Lou Warren | Anyway. |
| 00:06:01.06 | Betsy Stroman | He runs Sausalito Framing, but I don't know how he has time to do it, because he's always doing work for the city. And he hung all these pictures, and I understand he even framed some of them. So we are very indebted to him. And I want to acknowledge Mike Langford and Aaron Stroud, who were incredibly more than cooperative, they were enthusiastic and it was the kind of support that really makes it fun to do a project here. So thank you very much. |
| 00:06:25.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. And once again, thank you. I thought, and I was there last night, and it was a great party. So thank you very, very much. |
| 00:06:25.84 | Betsy Stroman | Yeah. |
| 00:06:32.85 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:06:34.37 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:06:38.16 | Ray Withy | Alright. Next presentation is sewer coordinator Pat Guasco on a successful public-private sewer project. So we'll get right into it. |
| 00:06:55.44 | Ray Withy | You want to drop the whole thing. |
| 00:06:57.28 | Unknown | Thank you. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Mayor Weiner, Vice Mayor Leone, Council Member Pfeiffer, Council Member Theodorus, and Council Member Withey, Adam, Mary, and Debbie. |
| 00:07:14.68 | Unknown | Okay, I have a clicker, huh? See how this is working. Thank you. Wrong word. Thank you. |
| 00:07:25.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:25.18 | Unknown | you |
| 00:07:25.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:25.40 | Unknown | you All right. As you all know, we work on sewer-related challenges in the city of Sausalito. departure from the norm. We had some property owners working with the city collaboratively on a sewer lateral replacement. We call this type of sewer lateral a private common shared line. or private common lateral. The property owners were Robert Nelson and Monica Heredia, Dick and Gene Silvera. The Heredia and Nelson family owned 128, 126 Edwards and 130, 134 Edwards Avenue. Dick and Gene Silvera, the owners of 144 Edwards Avenue and Charles Hamminger, owner of 148 Edwards Avenue, and Douglas Street is the owner of 148. I mean, that's a typo, 152 Edwards Avenue. These folks were told that they had to fix a line they all shared, and it was approximately 180 feet of six-inch old terracotta pipe and asbestos concrete pipe. |
| 00:08:19.82 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:08:40.12 | Unknown | by yours truly. And what a lot of folks don't know is private common laterals are the responsibility of an aggregate group of people. In other words, they all share it. They have the shared portion and then individual lines that are known as branch laterals. This is a very rudimentary diagram. I don't know, many people have seen this in the city of Sausliu. It just shows you haven't gotten past word, really. But, you know, what we see... Give yourself some credit, Pat. That's good graphics. Well, thank you. Anyway, the point is the black lines are the individual branch lines that serve each unit. |
| 00:09:06.53 | Unknown | Give yourself some credit, Pat. That's good graphics. |
| 00:09:18.83 | Unknown | That blue line that they're all connected to, that's the private common lateral. Okay, now. The property owner is solely responsible for the black one. As a collective, each property responsible for the blue line before it ties into this black line which is really the public sewer system. I don't see the laser on this. Is it the big button? The big button. That one? Just blow up. Okay. You see it. Okay, this is the public sewer system right here. The blue line that's kind of faint and ends right here is the shared in common line, and of course, these are the branch lines. These are the little things that we've been kind of forcing folks to put in. protect them from overflows that can occur when it backs up into the house. Instead of it backing up in the house, it backs out of here. protecting it from an overflow inside the house. Anyway. |
| 00:10:16.27 | Unknown | ANYWAY. |
| 00:10:17.76 | Unknown | we were dealing with this kind of a situation. on this particular project where the private common line needed to be replaced. Of course, this is an explanation of what I just told you, a bit redundant. And of course, whenever you get yourself in a situation where you have a private common lateral, you'll be receiving this information in the mail. OK, now, you may not be able to see the whole diagram here, but I actually went out there and figured out where everything was before I started trying to teaching this. Thank you. |
| 00:10:45.43 | Unknown | Where is that? |
| 00:10:46.07 | Unknown | Okay, so the Heredia's property, they own two laterals, two branch lines right here where the black line is here and the black line is there. Okay, this is 130, 134. This is 126, 128. This is 144 owned by the Silberas. This is the branch line serving number 148. That's owned by the Hemingers. And we didn't learn about the Streets branch line until a little bit later in the project. But they have a lateral line, black line, that goes to this blue line And the entire blue line is the private common line and it had what's known as a blind connection at this public sewer system So this is the very end of South Street before the stairs up to Edwards. Okay? So, This project took a few different techniques of construction in order to finalized. What we used were three different techniques of construction, open trench methods of replacement Replacement by bursting or trenchless techniques where they actually pull a new line through the old line and burst out the old line with what's known as a bursting head. That's done hydraulically. Then we also did a form of scanning a draw or a creek area known as doing a truss pipe. So. The challenge here was that God bless everyone. In the old days, they did what it took to move the wastewater to the public sanitary sewer system. It wasn't always with the best techniques and certainly not the best materials, but it worked for quite a long time. In this case, we had to upgrade the materials so it could withstand the challenges of age, temperature, pressure, weather. and use. The pipeline materials that we used was material known as ductile iron pipe. It's a brigade by DIP. We used high density polyethylene pipe, which is a abbreviated by HDPE. And then we also used a couple different forms of HDPE with what they call standard dimension ratio, which is really wall thickness. So we had some thinner wall and some thicker wall materials depending on how deep the soils were in the area they were digging. In most cases, very shallow excavation and project. Okay. Now we get to the picture. All right, well, this is, I don't know if you can see this line. But, Can you see that black line that shows you the direction of flow That's asbestos concrete pipe. It was used primarily during World War II as a replacement for metal pipe. Fairly durable, but it's actually quite brittle. That is a wooden truss. That's the area that spans the creek. these properties. now. That truss supported the pipe pretty well, but it wouldn't hold up very well if a tree fell off. And that's the kind of thing we have to worry about. The pre-existing condition of this pipe was such that He actually used a big cinder block piece of material here to hold it in place, and they also incorporate it into this kind of demi-wall with native stone, and it's significantly shallow here. That's actually a vitrified clay pipe Some folks call it terracotta but it's really vitrified clay pipe. Clean out right here. I mean it maybe has four inches of soil over the top. Okay? So, It was in bad condition as far as the interior condition of the pipe when I assessed it through the video inspection. That's, of course, a closer look at the same thing. I kind of walked back there and just went, what? I just was kind of surprised. So anyway, same pipe, different angle. PIN out. Now we're going into the kind of the demo side of the job, or deconstruction phase, right? So what we did was we created a temporary bypass through what we call PVC, white plastic pipe, to keep the sewage moving down the system while we constructed a new system alongside it. So we didn't have to interrupt service. Now, if anyone knows who Robert Setkast is, he's a geoengineer. He's been around a long time. He was the fellow that came up with the design and also did the calculations for this engineered support system. This is a drilling. Oops, sorry. This is the drilling rig that was used. This is a portable drilling rig and this drilling rig made it so We could drill down to about 11 feet below grade to bedrock to anchor the vertical pier supports that were put in These vertical pier supports were constructed of concrete, number five rebar, which is steel, And It was above ground poured in with some of the sono tubes with caissons, which are the steel members on the inside that give it its true structural stability. So anyway, the temporary construction consisted of temporary lines. This is in front of number 148 Edwards. This is the Heminger residence. And South Street's this way. And this is a very shallow line. That had to be done by open trench just as a temporary replacement. And here's the lateral that serves number 148 Edwards, Heminger's place, but this is now the permanent material. |
| 00:16:06.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:09.97 | Unknown | And this permanent material This black pipe is known as HDPE Schedule 11. It's very thick. rigid height. This is what we put in the shallow settings here. And of course, this is the top of the system up by the 128, 126, 130, 134 Edwards property where they put in new sewer lines for their house, their home, I mean their properties. Right here, this is a different kind of HTPE, Schedule 17, and they have brand new sewer lines up to each structure. You just barely see the edge of the other house there. This is the top of their common lateral. that they all share. And that heads down towards South Street. It's about, like I said, 180 feet of New common lateral and probably Close to 160 feet of sewer lateral branch lines that were installed. Am I boring everybody to tears? No one's yawning yet. OK, so I, of course, will always show what a backflow prevention device looks like. This is the part that blows off and allows wastewater out of it before it backs up the house if there's ever a problem anywhere down here. That's number 134, 136. No, 130, 134. And this is number 126, 128. Sewer lateral slash backflow prevention of ice. I'm showing you this because what this is is a pretty significant project, actually. The folks that owned number 144 Edwards had to replace their sewer line. But when I got up on the side of this hill and started figuring everything out, I realized that the portion right here is where the historic pathway of the drainage that moves through that draw goes know, when and if water works through there. Historically, it moved through there, but it's been obstructed by development. It was actually inverted below the flow line and it was clay. It was detached and it was failing. What we did was we replaced it with ductile iron pipe, and we actually put in three peer supports the very distances, through here to keep it stable attached to the peer supports with the appropriate amount of grade so it'll always convey wastewater safely. And be quite stable. It's more the same. This is where it actually ties into the shared and common portion right here. And this company did a great job. This is a closer look at how you bolt them down to what's known as all thread material, which is embedded in the concrete, which is part of the pure structure, which is below grid. And more of the same, closer look of where the actual six-inch line will connect to the portion that came down from the Heredia's property. And then it will start going over the new truss and the new duct-to-iron pipe. This is a closer look at the connections, all stainless steel shear banding. Of course, here's my favorite, the backflow prevention devices up by the house at number 144. Now here's the new structure, the temporary structure that was built that was constructed to install the caissons and the vertical pier supports, and there's the new ductile iron that's two code in what's allowed in this county to span a truss, I mean span a truss, or a draw, or a creek. And then of course a side view of what it looked like under construction. This is a downstream look at it from about number 144 Edwards. Then this is what it looked like after the forms were stripped and the Sona tubes were peeled off of it. They had to let it cure for about a week really. And then this is a look from east to west toward 144 at 113 Edwards Avenue's, I mean, Edwards? No, South Street's driveway. Another view from west toward east, and then of course back to The reason I did this really is so you can see that we deployed our stormwater pollution prevention best management practices. Those are what's known as straw waddles. Ever take the flow of water? You gave me 10 minutes, huh? Okay. Anyway, the point is we were protecting any potential waterway issues if there was a flood or if a pipe broke or whatever. So anyway, this is heading towards South Street. more clean outs, more blow offs. This is number 148 Edwards. Okay, now this is number 152 Edwards tie-in to this common shared portion. This is what goes the lower lateral branch lateral portion of the house. This is the portion where it ties into the shared and common. You can see that we used a different material here. Now we've got six-inch high-density polyethylene pipe, standard dimension ratio 17, which is a thinner wall because it's deeper. We can use it in that zone, so it saved them a little cost. There's the connection. It was a bit subterranean. Now this is really the main event on this. Back when the city was supervising the construction of the liner project to replace the sewer system on South Street, they allowed a liner to be installed. That reduces the interior diameter of the pipe because they slide a new pipe through the old one. It's not bursting, so it's a small diameter pipe. Well, the only way they could make a connection was to put in four-inch material from the existing six-inch, which created a bottleneck here. So it really created challenges. I guess they couldn't figure out how to do a connection, but I got a hold of my boss who has to put up with me on a regular basis with requests. And I said, you know, we did this wrong one time. The only way we can make a connection is if we put in a manhole. So here's the public side of the equation. The city took responsibility for the construction of the new manhole in order to enable this project to be because that's the best connection for this alignment. So we ended up saying put in a manhole, we'll make it so it can be maintained from downstream to upstream. We, of course, will own this asset and make it part of our asset inventory for our sanitary sewer system. and people will be able to maintain the system And we'll also be able to maintain our system from that manhole. So it's kind of a win-win. With that said, I'm done with my presentation, and I'm willing to entertain any questions |
| 00:22:45.72 | Jonathan | Any questions? |
| 00:22:47.63 | Unknown | Like, |
| 00:22:47.95 | Jonathan | Thank you. Thank you. Well, from up here. So, hey, Pat, how did you get people to work together here? That's the main problem with these. And how did you manage to get, especially with a common shared lateral, that's your, the bane of your existence is getting people. How did you get these people on board to pitch in? |
| 00:22:50.05 | Unknown | So, |
| 00:23:04.19 | Unknown | Well, I'd be remiss in my duties if I were to say anything other than persistence. Of course, we do have several ways of communicating with people, but what triggered it really was a property sale. 128, 126, 130, 134 was up for sale. The proper Heredia family bought the property, and she got a report from me that said, This line needs to be replaced. You need to work collaboratively with your The Crocker Heredia family bought the property and she got a report from me that said this line needs to be replaced. You need to work collaboratively with your neighbors and please feel free to contact me so I can help you through the process. |
| 00:23:39.54 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:23:39.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:23:40.75 | Ray Withy | Any other questions up here? Any questions from the public? Nathan, come up. No, Nathan, you've got to come up and announce your name. |
| 00:23:45.77 | Unknown | No. We want to know who you are. Do you have questions and presentations? |
| 00:23:49.09 | Chris Huntala | No, no, no. |
| 00:23:51.82 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:23:52.13 | Ray Withy | No, you can't. |
| 00:23:53.36 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:23:54.27 | Unknown | I'm Matthew Nathans. What did it cost? The project cost was approximately $31,000. The city cost was $8,000 for the manhole. The city's sewer lateral grant program will contribute up to $1,000 per property owner for the common shared portion. And the city will also contribute to each property owner $1,000 toward their branch lateral repairs or replacement. |
| 00:23:55.47 | Unknown | There's a simple question. |
| 00:23:56.92 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:24:22.70 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:24:23.41 | Unknown | What? |
| 00:24:23.68 | Ray Withy | you Okay, Pat, thank you very, very much. Thank you. |
| 00:24:26.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:26.05 | Unknown | Thank you. MR. Thank you, Pat. Thanks for the success, Tony. Thank you. |
| 00:24:29.76 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:24:29.79 | Thomas Theodores | and all the neighbors who cooperated to get that done. It's really an example of working together, and it's really a great story |
| 00:24:31.78 | Unknown | It's really a nice thing. |
| 00:24:35.73 | Ray Withy | Okay, next item we have is a presentation by Chief of Police Jennifer Tejada recognizing community volunteerism. |
| 00:24:46.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:46.72 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 00:24:54.89 | Unknown | Good evening, Mayor, Vice-Mayors, City Councilmembers, City Manager, City Clerk, City Attorney, and audience here and at home. It seems like in Sausalito, one value that is sewn and stitched into the fabric of our community is that of helping others and volunteerism, and it's something that's very special to this community and very prominent. And it's my pleasure tonight. to read a proclamation of the City Council of the City of Sausalito, honoring a truly special volunteer in all the great work that has been accomplished by this person. Whereas, Mayor Herb Weiner, a dedicated member of the Sausalito community, has demonstrated a passion for volunteerism in and for the city of Sausalito for many, many years. whereas Herb Weiner took it upon himself to become the downtown parking, transportation, and crossing guard czar. AND WHEREAS HERB WEINER STEPPED UP AND SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO DEVELOP AND RECOMMEND SOLUTIONS TO THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION IN OUR DOWNTOWN AND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. and whereas Herb Weiner had signs made and placed them around to help alleviate congestion and directional issues. And whereas Herb Weiner realizing that bicycles were overrunning our downtown, Coordinated meetings between the city and bicycle rental companies. and also brought in the Chamber of Commerce, Golden Gate Ferry, and the Blue and Gold Ferry companies to address the bicycle issues in our community. And whereas Herb Weiner had signs made and placed them around to help direct those equal-minded recreational visitors to appropriate locations, |
| 00:26:55.91 | Ray Withy | Don't tell Adam that. |
| 00:26:57.74 | Unknown | And whereas Herb Weiner coordinated the parking solutions for the tourist bus traffic, and could be seen directing these large and small buses and then walking the drivers to appropriate pay stations. And whereas Herb Weiner coordinated the parking solutions for the taxicab traffic when the number of taxis suddenly grew and grew. And whereas Herb Weiner had signs made and placed them accordingly so that the taxis were directed to one location. And now, therefore, the City Council, on behalf of the citizens of Sausalito, wishes to express its gratitude and appreciation to Herb Weiner for his dedicated service to enhance the tourist and commuter experience at the ferry landing. And for his all-around outstanding traffic control, crossing guard, sign-making duties, and most especially all the incredible number of hours volunteering to do this for the city. |
| 00:28:05.20 | Ray Withy | And this is your mayor, believe it or not. Thank you. |
| 00:28:08.75 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:28:24.07 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Now that means I'm down there for the rest of the year. But thank you very, very much, and it's important that we do have as this evolves that more and more people are coming in by bikes, by buses, by shuttles, and by ferries, that we move into the next realm of making sure next year that we can handle this in a real good manner, that people have a good experience in Sausalito. So thank you very much, and thank you to citizens of Sausalito. Thank you. Okay, next we have public communications. This time here the City Council is to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. Except in very limited situations, state law precludes the Council from taking action on engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. So at this time here, can I have anybody that wants to speak on items that are not on the agenda? Okay. |
| 00:29:34.00 | Bob Freeman | Wait, you've got to. |
| 00:29:37.78 | Ray Withy | Go ahead, come up. |
| 00:29:52.68 | Ray Withy | Just leave them. We'll pass them around. You love them. |
| 00:30:06.85 | Douglas Storms | I'll be... |
| 00:30:08.73 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 00:30:09.54 | Douglas Storms | you Thank you. My name is Douglas Storms, 700 Waldo Point, South Seattle, South Florida. I'm here tonight to address a situation that has arisen. There's some other people that are going to speak on the subject, and I apologize for blindsiding you with it, but now is the time. So I would like to introduce Scott Diamond. He's going to start us off, and thank you much. |
| 00:30:14.89 | Ray Withy | the cell phone was |
| 00:30:47.89 | Ray Withy | You're reminded that you have three minutes. Okay. Okay. |
| 00:30:48.57 | Scott Diamond | that you have for you. Okay. Okay. Do you want to give me your time? Well, it's... |
| 00:30:54.27 | Ray Withy | Well, we don't do it that way. We don't do it that way? No. |
| 00:30:56.74 | Scott Diamond | We don't do it that way? No. Thank you. Okay. |
| 00:31:00.70 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 00:31:02.58 | Scott Diamond | Okay, my name is Scott Diamond. I'm a member of SWAG, Sausalito Waterfront Action Group. SWAG is a group of citizens concerned with waterfront issues. E4U is our mission statement. |
| 00:31:03.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:31:03.99 | Ray Withy | Amen. |
| 00:31:14.94 | Scott Diamond | Did you give that out, Doug? And photos of the Tourney Street dock and our creation, Swag Ship Sally Stanford. Swag has helped organize meetings with the police and the waterfront community. At our first meeting, two things were unanimously agreed upon. the need to improve communication between the police and the waterfront community, especially the offshore community. Number two. we all agreed that boats used as dumpster diver storage piles are not an appropriate use of Richardson Bay. We then coordinated a meeting with the police and the waterfront community at the Edgewater Room and discussed issues of concern. To my knowledge, everyone that attended felt that a positive step forward in communication had been made. Since then, unfortunately, communication has deteriorated rather than improved. The latest case in point is the attempt to rewrite a small section of the city's 1982 parking resolution, 3145. Earlier this year, nine votes, We're randomly ticketed at the Tourney Street dock, bringing to our attention Resolution 3145 is out of date with current needs and uses. Tickets were dismissed and a verbal truce was put in place. I was told by officers Skoog and Frost that Chief Tejada said to have us monitor the situation. We would be pleased to help monitor the situation But as citizens, we aren't in a position to enforce anything. I pointed out that until Resolution 3145 was revised, there is nothing to monitor or enforce except the 15 minute time frame. Officer Skuog sent me a copy of the resolution, and we had a lengthy conversation about rewriting the part OF THE RESOLUTION ABOUT THE TURNEY STREET DOC. IT WAS AGREED WE WOULD WORK TOGETHER AND BRING A PROPOSAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL I emailed a proposed rewrite that all attempts to move this forward have been thwarted. This is quite frustrating as the misuse of this dock impacts Richardson Bay Mariners. Numerous sunken vessels have been left, further impacting an already overcrowded situation. When the dock is crowded, boats tie up on the launching ramp side, impacting the 15-minute loading zone. I've heard recently that heated verbal arguments have occurred over parking spaces. I can only imagine how pleasing that is for the owners of Salido's. These are problems that affect and reflect upon the Mariners of Richardson Bay. I urge the Council to amend Resolution 3145 as soon as possible so we can resolve these problems. I'm gonna turn the rest of this over to somebody else. Thank you. |
| 00:33:59.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:00.94 | Scott Diamond | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:34:08.32 | Joshua Gift | Swag has recycled three globes. State your name. My name is Joshua Gift. I'm a resident of the Anchorage. Swag has received a recycle of three globes discarded from local yacht clubs and created Swag Ship Sally Stanford. This vessel is registered with California DMV and deserves no special treatment from the city police, as it is legally no different than any other registered vessel at the dinghy dock. SWAG's concept is one of goodwill, alleviating problems occurring at the Turning Street Dock. Problem number one, overcrowding. |
| 00:34:09.65 | Ray Withy | State your name. |
| 00:34:42.15 | Joshua Gift | Sally Stanford has more than doubled the parking space. Problem number two, at certain tides, dinghies are aground on the south side of the dock, which is not only inconvenient, but sometimes it is a safety issue. such as not being able to access distressed and sinking vessels on the anchorage, Rather than graciously accepting Swag's gift to the city, SS Sally Stanford has been met with much hostility from the police. Prior to bringing Sally to the dinghy dock, I called Officer Frass, head of Marine Patrol. Mind you, this isn't me. This is the writer of the speech. and left a message stating that an unusual vessel was coming to the Turney Street dock, and if there were any problems, please contact me. I contracted Officer Frass because Chief Tejada. As indicated to me, she wants him to be our contact, not her. I never heard from Officer Fraps about any problem, but we have received threatening letters from the Chief citing some obscure law that no one that I know of in my 50 years on this waterfront has ever heard of. The letter says it's unlawful for a boat to be in Salosolito waters for more than 10 hours without written consent from the Chief of Police. First of all, SS Sally Stanford has been in city waters for over a year, so why notify us now? Secondly, there are probably several thousand boats in Sausalito currently in violation of this law. Why is SWAG getting special treatment? The chief has previously indicated to me that SWAG will not get any special treatment. I am curious why the police are turning the solution into a problem. I think my parents' generation called this looking a gift horse in the mouth. Now we have a problem because the chief has contacted the BCDC. I have also contacted the BCDC and they indicated a permit that we legally don't need. could be forthcoming if the city wishes to apply for it. I see several obvious solutions to this situation. A, ignore the situation and get back to constructive pursuits. Ignorance is bliss. B, swag gifts Sally Sanford to the city. The city gets BCDC permit. Sally becomes bridge over troubled water until Turney Street rehab is effected. C, swag gets an attorney, and we find out what the high legal ground is. I like plan B or plan A. Will the Council put these issues on the agenda for the near future? |
| 00:37:15.28 | Ray Withy | Okay, thank you. |
| 00:37:28.56 | Douglas Storms | Okay, Doug Storms, 700 Global Point in South Salido. What I wanted to share was it's not a perfect world. We're trying to communicate with various agencies, with the city of South Salido, with the Richardson Bay Regional Agency, with the BCDC, with the Coast Guard, with the City of South Salido Police, with the sheriffs. And in the last year and a half that I've been back out on the water, although I live at Wallow Point in a houseboat, my heart is there, I work there, I've been trying the last year and a half to facilitate the communication, but it ain't happening. I've talked numerous times. I've talked with the, there's been various meetings, public meetings. I've called for workshops because this becomes a dog and pony show, but unless you're willing to sit down with the stakeholders to address the issues. The issue is public safety, which means shore access. You need to safely be able to get off your boat and onto shore and vice versa, especially in the winter time, especially in difficult weather. It's difficult to ask someone to row a mile because there isn't access right towards shore where they are. I've addressed this with Jonathan Leong with the Richest Made Regional Agency. I requested a study be done concerning shore access, public access, and they basically, staff came back with a whitewash. They said, it's actually improved. |
| 00:38:22.19 | Unknown | Exactly. |
| 00:38:22.41 | Unknown | . |
| 00:38:22.57 | Unknown | you |
| 00:39:17.30 | Douglas Storms | And that's really a farce. It really isn't improved. These issues need to be worked from Clipper, Yacht Harbor, from Schoonmacher, from Galley Harbor, from the city-owned Tourney Street. You have to get the stakeholders together and you deal with these issues. This was an attempt of bringing in Sally Stamford, a transient vessel that can be moved out at any time and can be moved back in, an attempt to immediately solve the problems that we have. And it becomes a nightmare out there, trying to get to shore when you have to crawl over and jump over two rows of skips. And so it's just, I feel sad that Sausalito, with its great historical heritage of waterfront, inviting the world to come, and we're not doing a good job and we all need to work together. We need help. And, uh, We're just asking for help in terms of communication. There's a certain group of people that's willing, the Saucyedal Waterfront Action Group. It's a coalition of living boards that are anchored out and that live on the hill. And we just need your help. Thank you very much. |
| 00:40:32.17 | Ray Withy | Okay, thanks, Doug. |
| 00:40:42.26 | Crystal Gift | Hello, I'm Crystal Gift. I'm here to tell you about the wonderful things we're doing to better our community, for one. We have started an Anchor Out Community Watch. |
| 00:40:42.33 | Debbie | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:40:42.38 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:40:42.43 | Debbie | Yeah. Bye. |
| 00:40:51.50 | Crystal Gift | The Sausalito Police Department are cooperative. We're trying to clean up our community. We are starting awareness about ground tackle. Doug Storms deals with the ones that are I'm cooperative and I deal with the younger ones that are responsive. They respond to us, they listen to us. We teach them safety skills, proper ground tackling. I am also part of the Rapid Boat Response Team. I am the organizer. I am the one that gets the phone calls. I am the one that notifies the proper authorities. Also, I have a gift for the chief of police and the mayor. And I'd like to give it to you guys. |
| 00:41:51.86 | Crystal Gift | There is a large group of working class anchorouts that are trying to better the community. And let's face it, we do have some problems in our community out there in the anchors, just like everybody else does in other communities. But we're trying to turn over a new leaf and take back our community because we live there. My husband's a commercial fisherman. Thank you. I temporarily retired and turned me back to Half Moon Bay, where I am a longshoreman. We have a lot of working class anchor outs that have been really working very hard, Scott Dyer, he donated the money for the dock that we built. My husband, when he wasn't working fishing, he donated his time. This dock was built by the working class anchor apps. We gotta go to work. We can't afford these tickets. We can't tell our boss, oh, we've got to go move our boat every 15 minutes so we can do our job. This is also boosting your tourism because there is actually a nice dock in Taitu, unlike Galilee where you park there and you might not have your gas when you get back or your war or your warlocks or other things. |
| 00:42:49.81 | Unknown | Unlike Galilee. |
| 00:42:57.37 | Crystal Gift | These are things that we are faced with as living, people who live out in the Anchorage, who are working class citizens that, just really wanna make a difference. And we built the dock to take the stress off you guys. We did it for you. We didn't do it just for ourselves. We're doing it for our community. Because, yeah, we might live out on the hook, but we really do care about our community. And we want to do the best we can to help our community. You've got to excuse me. I get really nervous in front of people. But, you know, we really do love you guys, and we really want the best. And we would really appreciate it if the Sausalito Police Department would work with us. We get more action through them than we do any other police department on the force. |
| 00:43:44.18 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:43:50.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:43:52.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:43:54.51 | Unknown | Hi there. My name is Brian Schreier. I'm a new resident of Sausalito, also a member of the city's offshore community. I moved here about three months ago and relocated my business to the Bay Area. I've been in the initiative, referendum, and recall industry for 20 years now, and I've run my own petition management company, US Petitions, for the past 10 years. |
| 00:44:16.26 | Unknown | After 20 years of selling my services to special interest groups and corporations, I'm looking forward to volunteering my services to my community to protect the lifestyle I've come to love dearly. I'm very aware that there is an element in our community that is not conducive to the image this city aims to uphold, but Sausalito is a boating community, and for the most part, the tourists who keep this city strong are here to see us. We have community action groups in place and many of us do seek to improve this image. It seems to me that the City Council has no jurisdiction over the federal anchorage we reside in and therefore seeks to run us out by denying us access to shore amenities. Scott Diamond has graciously given us this community access to a dock that allows us to maintain tidy access to shore, And now the city seems to be selectively enforcing an out-of-date ordinance to deny us proper access to shore. At this time, I think that my services are premature. I hope that you find the time and consideration to work with this community to resolve this problem and revise this ordinance. Should this not happen, I am prepared to volunteer my professional services to this offshore community in the form of voter initiatives or future referendum should this relationship deteriorate further. |
| 00:45:33.93 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, anybody else? |
| 00:45:42.02 | Peter Romanowski | Thank you. Good evening. I am Peter Romanowski, ostensibly the chaplain of the Anchor Out community. I and two or three others have been out there for decades. I've had a boat on the base since 83, 84. |
| 00:45:49.34 | Unknown | and |
| 00:46:01.98 | Peter Romanowski | I remember when we couldn't tie up on Toney Street. We couldn't tie up anywhere. We had to land in Dunphy Park, and then that was outlawed. and um Now I'm grateful we can tie up. Attorney Street. Now, another solution is it needs to be dredged. You know, at low tide, there's just mud, mud on the right side. So, you know, that's no problem for you, you know, to dredge that. Scott Diamond's doc is great. I love it, you know. What can you do other than go through, like, BCDC, Boy Scouts, RBRA, you know, every agency in the world, all this red tape. And it's just maddening, you know, like we have freed ourselves from all this by living living in a federal anchorage in spite of the fact that The county has done everything in its power with BCDC to nullify that Anchorage as a federal reserve and a place of protection. And It's terrible. The Saucyol police have been crossing the channel and harassing us and ticketing us. Without a doubt, Officer Frass is the worst ticket writer in the history of the world. I got a ticket for riding my bike too slow on Gate 5 Road. I mean, I couldn't believe it, you know? I mean, this man gives people no warnings. I think he should be removed. In fact, I'd like to see some posters put up of his image, wanted. removal of Officer Francis. He... worked for Tiburon, the most Nazi-fied place in the world, And they hate us over there in Belvedere. They hate us in Tiburon. All the rich haters. I want to remind you, if you ever want to see the gates of heaven, Remember what Jesus said, sell what you have. and give to the poor. and take in the homeless. This town, not you, has lied to us about giving us a shower Something as simple as a shower. I've had a handful of showers in three years. I mean, I don't even know what a hot shower or bath is. |
| 00:48:22.50 | Unknown | you know. |
| 00:48:23.32 | Peter Romanowski | But I don't care anymore. I have dropped out of this godless, materialistic, hedonistic, unspiritual society and all we want to do is be left alone. One more point. By allowing the Saustido police to cross the channel into Belvedere where I live on the GPS, You are, this is opening a can of worms for the Mill Valley Police, for every office All the police are going to come out there pretty soon swarming us. And sooner or later, they're going to find you. I'm going to go. |
| 00:48:58.07 | Ray Withy | Okay, Peter. Peter, and keep the boy stouts out of it. |
| 00:49:03.18 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, I just want to say for the record that Officer Frass is an excellent public service |
| 00:49:10.29 | Ray Withy | All right. Moving along with... Yeah, I believe anybody else that wants to make a comment? Okay. All right, let's go next to Action minutes? |
| 00:49:29.96 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 00:49:30.22 | Ray Withy | you |
| 00:49:30.39 | Jonathan | So hold on one second. So we can't, because it's not an agendized item, we can't get it back and forth with you, but we can direct staff to look into what you've brought up this evening and to get back to the council and agendize it for a later date. |
| 00:49:31.38 | Ray Withy | So, |
| 00:49:34.54 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:49:34.55 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 00:49:34.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:45.20 | Jonathan | So if that's the consensus of folks up here. Yes, fine. |
| 00:49:48.47 | Ray Withy | Yes, fine. Okay, now action minutes, approval of the minutes of the regular meeting of October 8th, 2013. |
| 00:50:01.82 | Jonathan | Yeah, I have a comment on those. Yeah. You guys don't have to hang out for the rest of this if you don't want to. |
| 00:50:06.43 | Ray Withy | to hang out. |
| 00:50:09.05 | Jonathan | But if you do, great. |
| 00:50:14.34 | Jonathan | Debbie, on the motion for the Business Advisory Committee, I think there was an amendment to the motion and the way it's written here it just states that Council Member Theodore is seconded by Council Member Withy to adopt Resolution 5426. Did you get the amendment in the final? The amendment was that, remember we added that extra clause of the. |
| 00:50:41.73 | Thomas Theodores | Must be appointed by the council. Right. But she has it in there. |
| 00:50:43.00 | Jonathan | Right. |
| 00:50:45.63 | Thomas Theodores | If you look at it. Oh, with a caveat. |
| 00:50:46.24 | Jonathan | Oh, with a caveat. Okay. All right. Okay. So there you go. Thanks. Okay. I didn't catch the part. Okay. That, otherwise, that's the only comment I had. So thanks. Okay. That covers it. |
| 00:50:47.86 | Thomas Theodores | Okay. |
| 00:50:52.04 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:50:54.73 | Ray Withy | So I move approval of the minutes. |
| 00:50:56.26 | Ray Withy | Thank you. say. |
| 00:50:57.86 | Thomas Theodores | Second. |
| 00:50:58.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Next we have the consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial, required no decision, are expected to have a unanimous council support. It may be enacted by the council in one motion in the form listed below. |
| 00:51:00.03 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 00:51:14.99 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 00:51:21.89 | Linda | I missed a mare. |
| 00:51:22.79 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 00:51:23.36 | Linda | I would like to pull item 4B regarding the regional government services authority. |
| 00:51:30.92 | Ray Withy | We'll move that to business items. |
| 00:51:35.87 | Bob Freeman | F. |
| 00:51:37.13 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:51:37.15 | Jonathan | Well, let's see, who would be the right staff person? |
| 00:51:40.46 | Bob Freeman | Thank you. |
| 00:51:40.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:41.05 | Bob Freeman | Thank you. |
| 00:51:44.59 | Jonathan | I think this is for an associate contract planner, so you want to do it before Jeremy goes home. I'm sorry. |
| 00:51:51.02 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, let's move that item to November 5th, or whatever our next council meeting is. |
| 00:51:56.99 | Ray Withy | Okay, we'll move that to the next council meeting. Okay, with that removed, who got it? |
| 00:52:03.44 | Ray Withy | So I move approval of the consent calendar with the elimination of 4B. |
| 00:52:09.03 | Ray Withy | Second. |
| 00:52:11.51 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:52:11.53 | Ray Withy | Second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Next item now we have is the public hearings. |
| 00:52:13.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:52:13.89 | Unknown | I know. |
| 00:52:14.17 | Jonathan | Sorry. Okay. |
| 00:52:19.29 | Jonathan | Just for public knowledge, the one thing we just did was basically agree to fix all the lights on Caledonia Street, which have gone out because the circuit was defunct and we couldn't get the right parts. So now we're going to get that back up to snuff. |
| 00:52:19.57 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 00:52:33.04 | Ray Withy | Yeah. Okay, please look at the items now we have on the business items. I'm going to try to keep it as close as I can to the time frames, if that's okay. |
| 00:52:45.16 | Jonathan | Thank you. Number five, public hearing on the fire post. |
| 00:52:49.53 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:52:49.68 | Jonathan | Yes, okay. |
| 00:52:49.73 | Ray Withy | Okay. All right. Okay. Introduction of first reading, reading by title only, an ordinance amending Chapter 8.40 of the Sausalito Municipal Code regarding fire codes. OKAY. |
| 00:53:08.04 | Fred Hilliard | Thank you. |
| 00:53:08.06 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:53:08.19 | Fred Hilliard | Thank you. Council members and citizens of Sausalito staff. My name is Fred Hilliard. I'm the fire prevention officer with the Southerman Fire Protection District. And tonight I am going to do an overview of the 2013 California Fire Code ordinance. What is this? An ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending Chapter 8.40 of the Sausalito Municipal Code and adopting the California Fire Code, International Fire Code, and Appendix A of the 2012 International Wildland-Urban Interface Code. Prescribing regulations governing conditions hazardous to life and property from fire or explosion providing for the issuance of permits for hazardous use or operations and establishing a fire prevention bureau and providing officers therefor and defending their powers and duties. The overview is based upon the 2012 International Fire Code, otherwise known as the Model Code, the 2012 International Wildland Urban Interface Code, and it contains the local amendments crafted countywide by fire code officials, fire chiefs, fire prevention officers. It incorporates new construction, substantial remodel, and some sections for existing buildings. What this does not include is a new Wildland Urban Interface Ordinance. That particular ordinance, we would come to the Council at a different time, and it's a completely different ordinance that would not be included in this. What we're referring to when we say Wildland Urban Interface is there is a chapter within the California Fire Code that does refer to the Wildland Urban Interface and currently in the city of Sausalito, the only place that is in the city of Sausalito that is in the Wildland Urban Interface is parts of Wolfback Ridge and Cloudview Trail because that is in the state responsibility area. That's the only place that would apply. So background. The state of California adopts a new fire code every three years. The new model code becomes effective statewide without any action done by adopting additional ordinance January of the following year, meaning 2014 for us. Local agencies and cities have a period of time which is about 180 days from July when we receive the code from the state to adopt amendments making things more stringent or changing some things based upon local conditions. So also those last code adoption was November 2010 when I came before you to do this exact same thing. No significant changes were required by the council at that particular time. So again, in July 2013, the California Building Standards Commission adopts the California Fire Code, which is the model code, and then sends it out to the fire chiefs and the fire marshals within the county. Actually, we had meetings once a week talking about our existing code, ordinance, and what we would propose to make any changes or modifications. We recommend the adoption with several amendments which ensure consistency among the fire protection districts in the city. basically fine tune the code to meet the local needs of Sausalito. So the key local amendments. Well, this year, not a lot of changes, except for the state decided to reorganize the entire fire code. So basically it makes my life miserable because I have to remember where everything is in a new fashion after three years. But Section 1, General Provisions, we've listed the adoption of the new code and removed the 2010 code, the addition of the California Fire Code and Appendix A of the 2012 International Wildlife and Urban Interface Code. |
| 00:57:09.71 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:57:29.57 | Fred Hilliard | In Section 8.40.01, remove previous amendments for issuance of operational permits for automobile wrecking yards, fire hydrant valves, high-pile storage, miscellaneous combustible storage, spraying or dipping, and live audiences because they now put this actually in the fire code and the state adopted it so we could remove it from our local ordinance. We added Appendix K, temporary haunted houses and ghost walks and similar amusement uses. Basically this particular appendix is where decorative materials and confusing sounds and or visual effects are present. This would require a fire permit for the operational periods during the time of these events and a site and floor plan would also be required. |
| 00:58:26.55 | Fred Hilliard | So in your packet with the ordinance, under this particular section of Chapter 1, the first sentence, the fire code official actually in yours reads the executive body. And we made a change to this to reflect back to last year's ordinance, which states the fire code officials. So I just wanted to bring this up that we made a change between when you got your packet and when we are doing this. So the change has been made. |
| 00:59:06.21 | Fred Hilliard | We've added a definition in Section 202. There was question about the exact definition of what a covering was. And so what we did was the fire marshals got together in one of our meetings and said, let's define coverings for the building officials and for the public. And so we came up with this particular definition, which we're hoping that you agree with. |
| 00:59:34.80 | Fred Hilliard | We've removed the Section 202, which basically was a definition describing tracer and tracer charge. That is now in the 2013 code. |
| 00:59:52.08 | Fred Hilliard | In Chapter 5, we are requesting that we add Section 507.1.1, which is hydrant for sprinkler systems. This would basically be a requirement for commercial buildings equipped with fire sprinkler systems that have a fire department connection to have a fire hydrant within 100 feet of that particular connection. Um, Thank you. There is an exception. In some cases, that would be a difficult. So we're saying that the distance can be permitted to be that we could permit the 100-foot exception where approved by the fire code official. So if we run into a situation where it's just either fiscally impossible or you just can't do it, then we would be able to make alternative measures for those particular incidents. Again, this is for new construction and substantial remodel. So any newly constructed commercial buildings or any buildings that would basically be completely remodeled. |
| 01:01:00.76 | Jonathan | Commercial buildings. Commercial buildings. |
| 01:01:01.89 | Fred Hilliard | Commercial. Yeah. |
| 01:01:07.96 | Fred Hilliard | So in conclusion, what's changed? Well, we need to adopt the 2013 edition of the California Fire Code, the International Fire Code, and Appendix A of the 2012 International Wildland and Urban Interface Code. We removed some sections for fire permits. We've asked to add Appendix K for haunted houses and ghost walks. We've provided clarity for the definition under coverings. And we're asking for the requirement for new buildings and substantial remodels for a fire hydrant to be located within 100 feet. |
| 01:01:47.69 | Fred Hilliard | So staff recommends that we introduce and read the title only, an ordinance amending Chapter 8.40 of the Sausalito Municipal Code regarding fire codes and set a public hearing date for November 5th, 2013 for the adoption of the ordinance. |
| 01:02:12.43 | Fred Hilliard | And that's what we're out. |
| 01:02:15.63 | Ray Withy | Okay. Any questions? Thank you. |
| 01:02:18.87 | Jonathan | presentation anyway. Thank you for summarizing everything. It's pretty concise. I mean, there's a lot of changes in the actual document, but this helps kind of grab the major ones. |
| 01:02:23.01 | Ray Withy | everything. |
| 01:02:23.26 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:02:29.15 | Jonathan | So in your opinion, you were sort of stating this earlier, as far as the amount of change is more organizational in nature than actual sort of other than these that you've highlighted. large functional changes. |
| 01:02:42.90 | Fred Hilliard | Correct. There hasn't been, other than the two requests to add Penix K and then the fire hydrant, there hasn't been any other substantial changes. |
| 01:02:43.46 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 01:02:53.89 | Thomas Theodores | The staff memo alludes to the sprinkler requirements for ADUs, and you didn't mention that. |
| 01:03:00.52 | Fred Hilliard | Yeah, we added where it's required, it was required in 2010 for, we used the term second unit. Because we used the term ADU in Sausalito, we added ADU to that definition. So we just included that in, otherwise known as accessory dwelling unit. |
| 01:03:00.55 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 01:03:22.96 | Ray Withy | All right. Fred, thank you very, very much. Thank you. Sure. Good job. |
| 01:03:24.70 | Fred Hilliard | Thank you. Sure. |
| 01:03:27.99 | Ray Withy | Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:03:28.68 | Fred Hilliard | Thank you. |
| 01:03:28.72 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:03:29.14 | Fred Hilliard | So we need the action of the meeting. Do we need a motion? You got to read this. All right, well. You have to read the ordinance. |
| 01:03:29.17 | Ray Withy | So we need Do we need emotions? |
| 01:03:32.03 | Jonathan | You guys need to. |
| 01:03:33.22 | Ray Withy | Let me open it up. Is there any public comment on this item? |
| 01:03:35.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:40.36 | Ray Withy | Questions? |
| 01:03:47.97 | Jonathan | I just need to state your name for the record, please. |
| 01:03:52.92 | Bob Freeman | The question is, is the money paid? Is the hardware going to walk through? You got to come in there and get some permits and so forth? Is that what this means? |
| 01:04:03.55 | Fred Hilliard | No, actually, it's if it's a formalized haunted house that's going to involve the public, and the public is going to go through a haunted house, then you would have to get a permit, and you would have to just do what's required as far as |
| 01:04:03.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:03.92 | Bob Freeman | Thank you. |
| 01:04:03.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:03.95 | Bob Freeman | Thank you. |
| 01:04:03.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:08.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:17.98 | Unknown | you know, there's a... Yeah, it's just a sketch, a layout of what you're going to do. We just want to make sure the public's safe with what's going in. |
| 01:04:19.33 | Fred Hilliard | Ms. Laura. Yeah. |
| 01:04:28.20 | Ray Withy | Okay Anyone else? Thank you. Thank you. So what do we have on this to make a Okay, an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending Chapter 8.40 of the Sausalito Municipal Code and adopting the California Fire Code, International Fire Code and Appendix A of the 2012 International Wildland Urban Interface Code prescribing regulations governing conditions hazardous to life and property from fire or explosion providing for the issuance of permits for hazardous uses or operations, and establishing a fire prevention bureau when providing officers therefor and defining their powers and duties. |
| 01:05:14.86 | Jonathan | Thank you. A quick question since we are lucky to have both of you here tonight. So one, by adopting this we're getting up to, you know, keeping up with the pace of change in the California Fire Code. Will this help us when we eventually and how we initiate the process we talked about years back of kind of saying? kind of our ISO rating as a community and all that so it would help people on their homeowner's insurance and all that good stuff. I think your boss is coming up to |
| 01:05:42.25 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:05:42.37 | Jim Irving | Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. Jim Irving, Fire Chief. Yes, this does. One of the things that's evaluated as part of ISO rating is our fire prevention program. So, yes, this does help us toward that end. At present, what we are trying to do is bring all of our fire inspection records up to date and that's been a formidable task. Unfortunately, the city previously hadn't kept really good fire prevention records and so we're attempting to... Oh, now you're up here talking trash about the city. Not doing that at all. But once we bring all those records up to date, then we're going to ask ISOs to reevaluate |
| 01:06:18.09 | Unknown | of now european talking trash about this |
| 01:06:24.03 | Jonathan | Bye. |
| 01:06:24.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:06:24.27 | Jonathan | I don't know. |
| 01:06:24.67 | Unknown | it. |
| 01:06:25.97 | Unknown | But once we bring it back, |
| 01:06:26.83 | Jonathan | I'm sorry. |
| 01:06:31.42 | Jonathan | And would we want to wait for the urban, the wildland plan as well, or is that not necessarily part of that whole... |
| 01:06:38.90 | Jim Irving | I don't think that's actually the urban interface that is evaluated by my SSI. |
| 01:06:44.57 | Jonathan | Okay, that's great. If you just keep us up to date with that, it helps to get to that point. Absolutely. Thank you. |
| 01:06:44.60 | Jim Irving | Thank you. |
| 01:06:50.71 | Jim Irving | Absolutely. |
| 01:06:51.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. With that, second. Yeah, I'll second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. |
| 01:07:00.26 | Jonathan | Bye. Okay. |
| 01:07:01.68 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:07:01.92 | Jonathan | Thank you. And just as a point of information, you know, there's an election for a submarine board. It's a contested election. |
| 01:07:02.05 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:07:08.78 | Jonathan | There's also the residents running, so the council's following through, and so is Southern Marin with It's also being represented on the Southern Marin Fire Protection Board's board of direct or elect, what do they call it? Board? Is it a board? Board. |
| 01:07:23.05 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:07:24.85 | Jonathan | And thank you both for coming tonight. Thank you. |
| 01:07:26.35 | Ray Withy | Yeah, thank you again. Okay, let's move on to business items. Butte Street Task Force update and next steps. Had enough Leon. |
| 01:07:36.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:07:36.28 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:07:36.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:07:37.76 | Unknown | . |
| 01:07:39.11 | Leon | Thank you, Mr. Mayer. Eloquently speaking. And congratulations on honoring you. Yes, thank you. You deserve that so much. Thank you, council members, also. The Butte Street Task Force, of which I'm the chair, and I live at Tenorana Circle in Sausalito, would like to thank you for receiving this update and allowing us to move this to an action item tonight. I'm just very briefly going to go back and quote the task of the task force. This task force is being tasked with delivering a recommendation to the City Council on how best the city could be served by this property, if at all. |
| 01:07:39.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:07:40.26 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:07:42.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:07:42.28 | Ray Withy | . Yes. Thanks. |
| 01:08:24.25 | Leon | I'm not sure. In furtherance of this, the task force examined the property and its history. We discussed in detail the various alternatives of how the city could be served by the property and the issues that needed to be taken into consideration. with regard to our recommendations. We believe the property can be saved as permanent open space while not having a financial cost to the city except for perhaps minor closing costs for legal documentation. With this in mind, we are recommending that this task force be allowed to negotiate the purchase of the city's co-owners and divided interest in the property. The funds for this purchase would come from a neutral third party. The new co-owner in the city would then deed the entire property to a conservation land trust to be held as solely dedicated to permanent open space. We have been in discussions with neutral, prospective benefactors to secure this financing. In our discussions with prospective land trusts, nonprofits, and individuals, They have asked us to obtain direction from the City Council regarding support of our proposal. We understand that any direction does not bind the City Council in any fashion from taking other actions at a future date on any of the above identified options for the property. Once our negotiations have reached a letter of intent for the acquisition, we would then approach the city and the co-owners, the Hunts, to accomplish the sale of the Hunts' undivided interests so that the property as a whole could be transferred as proposed. The property was deeded to the city as a gift, so the only thing the city would be losing is its current liability exposure. We believe the city would be best served by accepting and consummating this recommendation. Therefore, we are asking for your concurrence by vote tonight regarding our recommendation so that we can continue our negotiations and bring this opportunity to a positive conclusion for all parties. |
| 01:10:42.31 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Leon, and thank you very much for your volunteer time on this. Any questions up here? |
| 01:10:50.34 | Jonathan | Leon, just to make sure I've got the recommendations straight, because I read their report. Excuse me. So the neutral third party or land trust or whoever would be buying the co-owners half and the city would then just donate its half? |
| 01:11:09.24 | Leon | Yes. And I might mention that we are talking with the Hunts. We are in direct discussions with them. And that is Amazon. |
| 01:11:19.68 | Ray Withy | to you. |
| 01:11:21.34 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you, Leon, and thanks for all the work in getting this together so quickly. I do have one question. If the land trust is going to hold the title to the property, And of course, the city doesn't have liability. That's great. But who's going to provide the maintenance on the property? That would be the land trust. The land trust. |
| 01:11:37.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Great. Leon, you What is the reason that you feel that you need a city council vote at this stage of your work? |
| 01:11:51.64 | Leon | Because, as I mentioned in the update report, we have had a number of entities that have said, all right, you're saying that you're a task force, but we know Sausalito. |
| 01:12:10.46 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 01:12:12.01 | Leon | you |
| 01:12:12.06 | Unknown | Oh, now you're up your trash in the city of Sausalito. No, no, that was not being said. It's contagious. I rebutted that. I'm strong. |
| 01:12:12.45 | Leon | the other sessions is as we are Thank you. All right. It's contagious. |
| 01:12:17.97 | Scott Diamond | I read books. I guess you're wrong. |
| 01:12:20.03 | Leon | you Thank you. |
| 01:12:20.96 | Scott Diamond | you |
| 01:12:21.23 | Jonathan | you actually do know the city's house really on so uh... we believe |
| 01:12:25.83 | Leon | Thank you. you know. |
| 01:12:26.86 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 01:12:26.88 | Ray Withy | So it's like a demonstration of seriousness. |
| 01:12:28.75 | Leon | Yes, it is. It is a show of serious intent, yes. |
| 01:12:34.51 | Ray Withy | Okay, Linda, any questions? |
| 01:12:37.88 | Linda | No questions. I do have a motion, but I'll wait until public questions or comments. |
| 01:12:43.94 | Ray Withy | Okay. Okay, at this time, here, any questions? |
| 01:12:47.03 | Jonathan | So, |
| 01:12:47.21 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:12:47.40 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 01:12:47.50 | Jonathan | I have a question to staff, actually. Go ahead. So, Mary, just from a... liquidation of public assets standpoint? I know there are certain procedures the city has to go through to do that. And is there a fair market value or in the case of something like this is the city free to just donate versus normally if we go to liquidate something we have to get sort of a some, you know, you can't just give things to people generally. We have to actually get some sort of a... |
| 01:13:12.07 | Ray Withy | and we're going to have a |
| 01:13:20.57 | Jonathan | market value remuneration for a lot of things, but in the case of donating for this particular type of purpose, is that within our purview? |
| 01:13:28.66 | Chris Huntala | Yes. Thank you. |
| 01:13:30.26 | Adam Krivachi | Amen. |
| 01:13:31.85 | Ray Withy | Okay. This time here, any questions from the public? one. |
| 01:13:47.61 | Ron Albert | Good evening. My name is Ron Albert. I'm a resident of Sausalito. Two years ago, Rotary Housing was in contract to purchase the private half of the site. and Rotary Housing approached the city. There was a firestorm of opposition from neighbors, and the city declined to have any further discussions with us. With that, we eventually fell out of contract. In addition to our well-known interest in the site. Rotary Housing owns a piece of property within 300 feet. In fact, we own the most valuable property within 300 feet of this site. Despite that, I'm not aware of any notice of this task force coming to Rotary Housing. It's pretty remarkable. I only found out about the existence of this task force inadvertently. A lot of vitriolic accusations were made against Rotary housing in a most malicious manner. I won't repeat those kind of accusations against the neighbors who have different interests. I accept that honorable and reasonable people can have different opinions regarding how the city might approach this property. However, there was clearly a lack of meaningful outreach. Outreach should have included all the neighbors and all interested parties. I only found out about this immediately before the last council meeting and was unable to come here. And fortunately, this was postponed for two weeks, so I could be here and speak. The absence of meaningful outreach is reflected by the fact that the task force report that it was unanimous that the city should surrender its interest in this property for no compensation and to do so for the specific purpose of changing it from its current zoning for multifamily residential to be designated permanent open space effectively. There's no appraisal of the property. There's no studies or reports of the physical site condition. Rotary never conducted those studies and frankly, we then and remain unsure whether this is a viable site for housing. It's completely overgrown. with thick thorns and brush. So nobody has ever done a meaningful study of this study. Open space is valuable, I agree. However, we live in a county where over 88% of our land space is park, permanently zoned agriculture or permanently zoned open space. we have an extraordinary amount of open space. Unfortunately, at times we've had the city zoning map posted up here. I wish it were there tonight. is we have an extraordinary amount of open space within our city limits and then immediately adjacent to our city limits in the GGNRA. I'd ask for a little more time. Thank you. Meanwhile, our own parks in the city are poorly maintained. Whereas no one can argue that we have a shortage of open space or parks, there's no question there's a dramatic shortage of affordable housing. All of Marin County, including Sausalito, is facing a major demographic change, which has been coined a gray tsunami. By the year 2025, over two-thirds of the county will be over 65 years old. When people retire, they go on fixed incomes and generally can't afford a rise in rents. We desperately need more affordable housing for seniors. and we need to be creating it now. I agree with the neighbors that this is not the most desirable site for senior housing. However, it is zoned multifamily. most desirable site, ideally senior housing should be on major transit corridors. However, Sausalito currently prohibits senior housing for housing of any kind along one half of the Bridgeway Corridor. everything on the east side of Bridgeway is included in Marinship, and that includes Kinko's, West America, Feng Yan, and the 3030 Bridgeway Office Building. These properties are far from the water, generally have no water view whatsoever, and are oriented towards bridgeway, not the water. Their existing uses are grandfathered, but new uses generally have to be marine related or fit in a very narrow cubby hole. and housing is absolutely prohibited all along that east side of Bridgeway, all along the transit corridor, which is the most logical place for senior housing to go. but we can't go there. So of course we keep looking to the handful of sites that are zoned for housing. for those opportunities. if those parcels along Bridgeway were zoned to allow housing, we would have no interest in sites like this one, which are much more challenging. and we try to make something happen, where it is more logical. And let me be clear when I'm talking, that I'm only talking about those properties that immediately front Bridgeway. I'm not talking about permitting housing throughout the Marinship. |
| 01:19:32.55 | Ron Albert | What I suggest is the council place a referendum for an advisory vote on the November 2014 ballot as to what the city should do with this site. If between now and next November, the city changes its zoning, and Marinship is on your agenda a little later. But if it were to revise the zoning to create more senior housing opportunities along that transit corridor, I wouldn't oppose what the neighbors are proposing. But absent that, if the city is going to eliminate an existing multifamily housing site without creating any new opportunities for senior housing, then I strongly oppose that. In conclusion, I think before the city makes a decision, regarding this site. It should ask all of us, not the immediate neighbors, but ask all of us, all of the city, what the city should do with this valuable asset. This property does have a value. And if it's going to be donated, the citizens should have some say so. Thank you. |
| 01:20:47.02 | Ray Withy | And I give one. |
| 01:20:50.95 | Leon | May I make a comment to address that? And I would like staff to make comment on this also. With regard to the implication that there wasn't notification, Debbie, would you like to address that with regard to notification to the public about the meetings? |
| 01:21:17.01 | Debbie | The agendas are posted outside City Hall 72 hours in advance. |
| 01:21:21.33 | Leon | And Mr. Albert is a past council member and understands that. Okay. We did look at these issues in detail. We looked at any increase in traffic, and of course that would cause an increase in traffic. As a matter of fact, the area, if you'll remember where Willow Creek Academy is now, was the subject of... essentially a change in use to low-moderate income housing. There was a substantial outcry. because it was inappropriate. that area is the highest in density of any area in Sausalito. And the residents in that area have told us they don't want more construction. Construction causes a disruption to the neighborhood. And again, You have to really take into consideration neighborhood desire. You know, we're talking about neighbor to neighbor. When I walked in and the sewer issue was being discussed, that's neighbor to neighbor. Mr. Albert lives quite a ways from this area, and I think that with regard to this, the paid nothing for this. It was donated to the city, and I think the city has the ability, as our city attorney has said, to dedicate it to open space. I just want to make another comment. My personal background, my professional background is I'm a mortgage banker. I'm a past president of the California Association of Mortgage Brokers. I have chaired. and handle a number of pro bono low moderate income activities throughout California. So I'm very, very familiar with this. I'm still asking for a vote of confidence on this. Thank you. |
| 01:23:18.44 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Leon. Anybody else in the audience? Okay, let's bring it back up here. |
| 01:23:26.29 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:23:26.42 | Ray Withy | Amen. |
| 01:23:27.25 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:23:27.96 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:23:27.97 | Ray Withy | I have a question of staff before I make any comments. Thank you. Mary. Presumably, if Tonight's vote is a vote of support for the reasons that Leon indicated. And therefore, the actual proceeding to a transaction would require subsequent city action. What... Would it also presumably involve public hearings to change the zoning on that parcel. |
| 01:24:02.05 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 01:24:05.02 | Unknown | Okay. I don't have any questions. Thank you. |
| 01:24:10.23 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, per Rosenberg's order, I'd like to make a motion and then... |
| 01:24:10.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:24:15.48 | Linda | conduct further discussion around that motion. So I'm making a motion not to end discussion, but rather to frame the discussion. So I would move that the city council vote to endorse the Butte task force's proposal by, you know, pledging to donate the 50% of the city's interest of the Butte parcel to the third-party nonprofit when that opportunity is presented. And I would invite Leon to confirm that I got that motion correct. Okay. |
| 01:24:59.56 | Ray Withy | Okay, we have a motion. So I'd like to make a comment now. Um, I think there's a couple of things that need to be remembered. First of all, This is a complex parcel. It's a complex parcel, first of all, because it's owned by two parties, one of which is the city. and that in of itself creates a complexity and to the extent that something really needed to be done because as run indicated they're, My understanding is the current half-owner with the city wanted to do something about it. And so there's a fair amount of history such that the city felt it needed to form a task force to try and figure out what needed to get done. does. The second thing is to remind everybody that this property has been the subject of vigorous debate and a significant multitude of public hearings during the housing element. I mean, this parcel was specifically put on a list for consideration to actually upzone it and to put a large multifamily dwellings on it. um, It created enormous controversy, and I think it's fair to say that we know exactly what the public thinks about this because of all of those hearings that occurred. I can't think of one advocate during the housing element task force hearings who actually came forward to recommend that we actually put a multifamily dwelling there. Furthermore, it was eventually taken off the list upon the advice of our housing element task force consultant, who actually said that basically due to the politics, due to the constraints of the site, it would be impossible to actually consider this as an affordable uh, uh, to be so designated for affordable housing. And so it was taken off of the list. And therefore, when the task force looked at all of the various options for this, in the end, in light of all that history, it made sense that probably affordable housing was not an option for this site. So, I just think it's important to remember all of that, and that this has been thoroughly debated in that context. Okay. |
| 01:28:00.02 | Jim Irving | Thank you. |
| 01:28:04.08 | Jonathan | Hold on, Ron. Yeah, you can reopen. We haven't closed. All right, come up. |
| 01:28:07.71 | Ray Withy | Come up. Come up, Ryan. |
| 01:28:14.71 | Ron Albert | This site is presently zoned for multifamily, and a certain number of units are permissible as a matter under the zoning ordinance based upon its zoning. I think it's 20-something units. 17. 17, thank you. And I believe those units were counted as part of whatever number you had to get to in your housing element. No. |
| 01:28:23.19 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:28:28.87 | Unknown | us. 70. Thank you. |
| 01:28:40.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:28:41.12 | Ray Withy | you |
| 01:28:41.17 | Ron Albert | No, it wasn't. |
| 01:28:41.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:28:41.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:28:41.24 | Mary Wagner | No, it wasn't. |
| 01:28:42.59 | Ray Withy | you Thank you. Yes, it was. |
| 01:28:45.56 | Mary Wagner | I think Lily is best equipped to answer that question. |
| 01:28:45.95 | Lily | Lily is best. |
| 01:28:47.06 | Lou Warren | Thank you. |
| 01:28:51.67 | Lily | Thank you. Good evening. That site is listed in the site's inventory in the housing element. So to rezone it with the next housing element update, we will have to accommodate those units in an alternative way or show that we have a buffer. |
| 01:29:08.31 | Ray Withy | So, Lily, just for clarification, the list that it was taken off was the list to actually upzone it. |
| 01:29:15.06 | Lily | Perfect. |
| 01:29:16.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:29:17.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:29:17.15 | Lily | So there's a separate list that's the site's inventory list that has about 80 parcels on it that could accommodate future units. So those were the vacant, underdeveloped parcels. |
| 01:29:17.19 | Unknown | So there's a lot of people that are in the community. |
| 01:29:31.28 | Linda | Lily, I have a follow-up question. It was my understanding, too, that our housing element had actually a surplus of housing accommodations, correct? Correct. Thank you. |
| 01:29:42.87 | Ray Withy | Okay. Go ahead, Ron. |
| 01:29:44.73 | Ron Albert | Those 17 units were included in what was submitted to the state, correct? |
| 01:29:52.00 | Ray Withy | Lily? |
| 01:29:54.40 | Ron Albert | Yes. Yes. The 17 units that the site would accommodate were included in what was submitted to the state. |
| 01:29:54.94 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 01:30:02.24 | Lily | That's correct. It's also one of the largest parcels on that site's inventory. |
| 01:30:08.59 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:30:09.31 | Linda | So go ahead, Tom, and then I'll have a comment. |
| 01:30:12.11 | Thomas Theodores | Actually, Ron, may I ask Ron Alvarez a quick question? |
| 01:30:14.68 | Linda | Right. |
| 01:30:14.97 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:30:16.99 | Thomas Theodores | By the way, thanks for coming here, and I appreciate your concerns regarding notice and and all the efforts on the part of Rotary to bring senior housing to Sausalito. and But I do have a specific question. My understanding, and I think you alluded to this in your... presentation was that Rotary has determined that it would not follow through on the possibility of providing senior housing on that site. No. That's not true? Okay. |
| 01:30:43.15 | Ron Albert | Thank you. |
| 01:30:43.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:43.45 | Ron Albert | Thank you. Well, I mean, we dropped the effort two years ago in the absence of any meaningful dialogue or willingness to cooperate from the city at that time. But we're very interested in providing more affordable senior housing here in town. And if the city's now clearly expressed a willingness to donate its half interest in the site, that makes it all the more feasible for us to look at this site. |
| 01:31:05.94 | Jim Irving | if the city's now |
| 01:31:16.80 | Ron Albert | Okay. |
| 01:31:17.82 | Unknown | you |
| 01:31:18.45 | Ron Albert | Back two years ago, we had the understanding that the city would want compensation for its self-interest. So if the city would donate it for what we think is, I mean, reasonable people can disagree. Open space is valuable and desirable. Affordable senior housing is also valuable and desirable. This is not an ideal site, but it is immediately adjacent to an existing Rotary housing senior housing site. So there are some dynamics there that would make it little easier to manage and provide shared services between the two complexes. What I would like to see is a groundswell of support for creating more opportunities. To me, it's crazy that we're saying that Kinko's or West America or 3030 Bridgeway or the vacant travel agency, if those buildings turn over, that the new use has to be somehow some marine-related use and by no means housing. That's far removed from the waterfront. Everything that's directly on the Bridgeway Corridor ought to be an opportunity for us. And if it was, that's where we would focus, because that is the ideal location for senior housing. But absent that. |
| 01:32:44.88 | Unknown | What? |
| 01:32:46.52 | Ron Albert | Don't take this opportunity away from us. Thank you. |
| 01:32:54.52 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:33:04.22 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, I just want to acknowledge the task force and their exhaustive analysis of all the feasibilities and all of the options for this property. They looked at the topography. They looked at the geography. They looked at the wildlife habitat. They looked at the fact that there's a creek that runs through this. The fact that we do have dwindling open space. The wildlife, we border Golden Gate National Recreation Area, as you all know, with all the endangered species. Just this morning, a red-tailed hawk flew into my window, and the woman who lived beneath me saved it and took it to wild care. We're squeezing out our wildlife. This is one of the few remaining open space parcels. It's thick. I visited the parcel, saw so many bird species in just the five minutes I was there. And the creek also adds to the value of this. So, you know, clearly we heard loud and clear from the community that the preservation of this. So, you know, clearly we heard loud and clear from the community that the preservation of this area for open space was key. The area, and I want to commend Rotary Housing for the excellent work they've done with providing senior housing. And at the same time, I want to acknowledge the fact that this is, this open space is surrounded by, you know, some high density and I don't think it's right to concentrate that, you know, housing in one location. So I would say that I would defer to the task force. They did their job. They did a thorough job. And I would ask the council to support my motions. |
| 01:35:02.23 | Ray Withy | Well, I've already had my three minutes, so I'm going to have another minute, which is |
| 01:35:10.21 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 01:35:10.23 | Ray Withy | I think. |
| 01:35:10.51 | Jonathan | Self-control is actually in a minute. |
| 01:35:14.63 | Ray Withy | I'll be |
| 01:35:16.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:17.35 | Ray Withy | I am very supportive for finding affordable housing in our community, particularly for as people grow older. Our demographics are such that this is essential. but I also know, and also, even though Um, the, Where else in the city one might consider appropriate for affordable housing is something that can always be open and is really not part of this discussion in my view. But I also witnessed... the fact that, and came to the conclusion, that it would be essentially virtually impossible to develop that particular parcel as an affordable housing, to put affordable housing units on it because of the politics. And so the solution, if I may for just 10 more seconds, so the solution that I think the task force has come up with is the only practical, sensible solution for the city to deal with its half interest in that property. |
| 01:36:36.88 | Jonathan | Jonathan? Well, and thanks, Leon and your group, for putting in the hard work. And I hear Ron, I hear your comments. They're all very valid comments to make. And perhaps there should have been a greater discourse between the task force and Rotary Housing. That being said, I think we're I think we're missing a little bit of an opportunity here. And that opportunity is not so much this particular location for either affordable or senior housing, but the value of this property towards that, whether it's a donation in kind or what have you, towards those commendable goals. And if the hunts are going to be a little bit get numeration for their half of this problem. This is a bad situation. In my understanding it was that the partner wanted to screw the hunts and gave half it to the city to piss them off and that's how it ended up in this scenario. And it worked, right? So here's the situation where you have a very uneconomic property for both parties because somebody else owns half. So my point of view on this is it's a tough property to do anything with, let alone where you have to really hold down the cost of construction to make it affordable for seniors or different income levels. But the city should get some compensation for its ownership here and apply that money towards funding Um, additional affordable housing projects, wherever they may be in the city of Sausalito. Because it's probably not a great deal of money you've been negotiating with the Hunts. I don't know what that number is. I don't want to know, because that's a private transaction up to this point. But at the end of the day, the land trust doesn't care who they buy stuff from as long as if they think it's the right price for both lots, and if they have the money to do that, and I think the proceeds are being used in a way, particularly from the city's point of view, is something that's commendable. So I would suggest we pursue that avenue. To me, the lot in Saucyut that screams out for senior or affordable housing is right down the street here on Bridgeway. Between, oh God, the one where the two colleges that are falling apart and the owner's letting them fall apart. That just screams out, he has approval for six condos, God bless you when you're ever going to make that work economically, versus the 20 he originally wanted to build as a small college campus there. So that's a lot where it needs help. It screams out, it's right on the Bridgeway corridor. It's near bus transportation, so you know, you can walk down the street to the 7-Eleven and there you're at the bus stop. So that would be a great, you know, not that... |
| 01:38:55.73 | Unknown | deal. |
| 01:39:21.34 | Jonathan | As far as the other locations, Ron, you're right, those are ridiculous. There's some of the rules that need to be changed. 1128 that limits construction, like above Tommy's Walk for affordable housing and those shopping areas, that needs to change. The east side of Bridgeway, we can go back and forth forever and that's part of the friendship discussion we're going to have over the next few months. But I would suggest we consider that as an option. It doesn't make it as palatable to a land trust to get Free is the Albex better for a land trust, they love Free. But it would be a great way to kind of solve this problem where Rotary and the city have a goal of affordable housing. We're going to have to come up with another site. to offset this in our both our current and our future affordable housing plan I mean housing elements which were already in the cycle for the next one so I would suggest we consider that and approach the land trust that makes it I know it makes your life more complicated Leon trying to get but that to me the city could get compensated for its ownership at a fair rate and apply that towards whether working with the rotary or whoever ec, ecumenical housing, whatever, which partnerships are great, to get the next move on something that's a more practical project that's closer to the Bridgeway corridor that has a bigger chance of success. Thank you. |
| 01:40:31.36 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, if I may comment. So I want to remind Council that our focus is on the task force recommendation. I want to remind Council that this open space is specifically, this is not open space for Rotary. This is open space, it's owned by the people of Sausalito. |
| 01:40:31.38 | Jonathan | Thank you. Amen. |
| 01:40:57.28 | Linda | The task force was appointed by this council to come back with a recommendation. And they have done so after months of research and hard work and a lot of conversations and discourse. So I think that to... to add some sort of fee to create some sort of fund, that fund should go back to the people of Sausalito in some way. You know, the discussion here, is the recommendation of the task force. it's not to create construction for a goal for rotary housing. So that's my comment. |
| 01:41:40.23 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:41:40.33 | Jonathan | You know, |
| 01:41:40.61 | Ray Withy | and |
| 01:41:40.61 | Linda | Well, you're making the, I'm hearing the recommendation. |
| 01:41:44.61 | Unknown | 404 |
| 01:41:45.15 | Jonathan | or senior housing with whoever, if you really want to quote my words. Okay. Okay. Okay. |
| 01:41:48.61 | Linda | Okay. Thank you, Council Member Leone. So my point is that I believe the Council should vote on the recommendation of the task force. |
| 01:41:58.25 | Ray Withy | you |
| 01:41:58.65 | Unknown | you |
| 01:41:58.70 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:41:58.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:41:59.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Well, look, we knew before when we started this task force that it really had a very, very difficult job. we ended up being given this property. And we were given also all the headaches that kind of went along with this. As Ray mentioned, it did stir when we had the housing element. It stirred a tremendous amount of controversy. If you really look at that piece of property, it's a very, very difficult piece of property to deal with. And that's why we did and thank you for chairing the task force. This was a group. that lived in the area, And, um, If you look at the list of all the options that it had. And I think they've done an excellent job. And I think that we should move forward with this. |
| 01:43:03.88 | Jonathan | Would you mind if I asked Leon a question? Would that be okay with you, sir? you Let me just ask two parts, and I'll try to make it simple enough so I don't lose myself in the question. One, if you had to characterize the discussion with the hunts as in, because you're sort of trying to bridge in between the third party and them, as far as what they're asking, it seems somewhat, and you're a mortgage broker, so you know real estate, what they're asking for their half is it seemed to be a reasonable ask, because before when they were approaching the city to buy it from them, it was definitely not reasonable. |
| 01:43:40.04 | Unknown | we don't have a specific |
| 01:43:42.03 | Leon | figure |
| 01:43:42.47 | Unknown | OK. |
| 01:43:42.47 | Jonathan | Okay. On the other side. Okay. You haven't gotten to that point yet? No. Okay. No. Okay. |
| 01:43:42.97 | Leon | Okay. No. OK. No. We're working in good faith. |
| 01:43:48.64 | Jonathan | And as far as your discussions with the land trusts or other third-party benefactors, Has there been some discussion has that been conditioned on the city's contribution as a donation of property or has there been any discussion of kind of a purchase of both sides of the piece of property? |
| 01:44:09.40 | Leon | No, there has really been no discussion on their part. I think you stated it well, but if they're taking it, they're happy to take it. So it really hasn't been any issue. |
| 01:44:13.92 | Jonathan | Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:44:25.84 | Jonathan | Okay. No, I just wanted to see if we were making you do double time effort. |
| 01:44:31.44 | Leon | Amen. |
| 01:44:32.11 | Ray Withy | Yeah, could I follow up with a question, Leon? Do you think if Did the task force at all discuss whether a deal could be constructed whereby the city got some form of compensation for the asset that it would contribute. |
| 01:44:56.57 | Leon | We, Ashley, I think on your, the information that I submitted, there were quite a number, what do I have, six alternatives which included that. We tried to cover everything. We tried to come in with an empty blackboard and just start looking at all the alternatives because that was our assignment. And this is the picture that we got that I'm bringing to you. |
| 01:45:29.78 | Leon | Could I just offer something? Ron Albert has been a contributor to our community in meaningful ways. And although we may disagree on this particular site, I would certainly offer my experience and enthusiasm on senior housing or a low-moderate income housing location that I think is appropriate. |
| 01:46:00.73 | Jonathan | So can I get my minute? We're still in the minute-to-minute things because I just asked a question, actually. So the issue to me tonight is not – there's twofold. One is do you want to pursue an open space strategy, whatever that strategy unfolds? And the second is, okay, well, what is that strategy that unfolds if you want to pursue open space? I think, from my opinion, this is a difficult lot for anything, whether it would be market rate housing or whatever. It's a very difficult lot just because of the topography. So I'm definitely in favor of pursuing it as an open space. In my mind, it was always going to head that direction just because of the nature of the split of it. okay, well let's go for open space, what do you do there? Um, because it would be a tough lot to build anything, the expensive construction no matter what you do, unlike the Rotary Housing Project, which was relatively flat in that neighborhood. Um, but still expensive and it's all about, affordable housing is about money. The money's gotta come from somewhere to offset the cost of making it affordable. So either you have to get a donated lot or a very inexpensive scenario. So I would suggest that we endorse your pursuits. I would make an alternate motion that we endorse the committee's funding for open space, pursuing open space, and ask it to consider to pursue in its negotiations with third parties, both compensation for the city's aspect of things, and to see what falls out of that. See what kind of, how productive it is, and then come back and but in support of selling the city's property for open part of the parcel as open space. |
| 01:47:44.69 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, if I may comment. So I want to just add that our housing element, Sausalito's housing element, Thank you. was over quota. We were over quota in affordable housing, over quota. And the housing element we passed was, in my opinion, very, very robust. I personally voted against it. One of the reasons was because Butte was still on this list and it didn't need to be. So I want to stress again that the open space issue, the views of the community, and the issues before us right now with respect to what we can do for the environment tonight, I think are very important and also respecting the recommendation of this committee. And if I may very quickly add that when we tack on expenses, we make it much harder |
| 01:48:48.01 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:48:56.97 | Linda | to have a non-profit take on and actually pay for this land because they're accepting all the liability for it too with maintenance. And you've just upped the ante there. |
| 01:49:12.56 | Jonathan | and therefore they just pay less. They pay less for it. It's not our job to liquefy the Hunts investment. They're in a difficult position. They own half a piece of property they could never sell. to anybody else because we own the other half. and it's like this, okay? So we're not here to liquefy the Hunt's property and liquefy their asset holding. At the same time, as a responsible city, |
| 01:49:28.73 | Bob Freeman | Yes. |
| 01:49:36.39 | Jonathan | If you claim we have these huge pension liabilities and we're giving away assets, How does that go hand in hand? |
| 01:49:43.71 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, I will respond to that giving away assets. If we're going to get money from this cell, then let's put it into our infrastructure. Our sewers are still spilling out. |
| 01:49:45.50 | Jonathan | And that giving away. If we're going to get money |
| 01:49:48.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:48.50 | Jonathan | you |
| 01:49:53.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:53.47 | Ray Withy | We're still spilling out into |
| 01:49:55.84 | Linda | into the bay. |
| 01:49:57.09 | Ray Withy | Hold, hold. Stop. Could I just... Remind you, Linda, and Jonathan. You're both agreeing on an open space strategy. So, Grab hold of that, you're both agreeing on that, and I agree on that. And I think the whole of this council probably agrees on that. So I think that's an area where we can get this motion sort of together and craft it. in terms of the actual strategy of then whether a deal, you're gonna come back with a deal. And that's the time for us to consider it. |
| 01:50:34.10 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:50:34.15 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:50:35.42 | Ray Withy | Yeah, go ahead, Liam. |
| 01:50:38.30 | Ray Withy | All right, Leon, you have to come up. |
| 01:50:38.82 | Jonathan | that |
| 01:50:39.30 | Ray Withy | You have to come up to the mic. |
| 01:50:39.97 | Unknown | up to the podium. |
| 01:50:40.88 | Jonathan | Wow. |
| 01:50:41.00 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:50:41.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:41.31 | Ray Withy | So, |
| 01:50:41.36 | Jonathan | All right. |
| 01:50:41.86 | Linda | it. And Leanne, you might clarify that the reason we need a council vote tonight is to make the property attractive to the nonprofits who are considering it. |
| 01:50:51.18 | Leon | Exactly. |
| 01:50:51.92 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:50:52.16 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.41 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 01:50:52.73 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.93 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.95 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.97 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:50:53.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:55.31 | Leon | I just want to say, I really think that you're headed in the right direction. We need to move quickly. This property needs to get resolved. as a task force, have volunteered to take it a step further, to try to do something that's good for the community and help the council. So we'd really like to have the motion carried. |
| 01:51:26.31 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:51:27.80 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:51:27.81 | Jonathan | Okay. |
| 01:51:28.44 | Leon | and you were |
| 01:51:28.98 | Jonathan | you |
| 01:51:29.03 | Linda | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:51:29.25 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 01:51:29.30 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:51:29.38 | Jonathan | of. |
| 01:51:29.70 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:51:29.74 | Jonathan | as what do you know what it is or does Linda need to repeat it? |
| 01:51:29.75 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:51:29.79 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:51:29.84 | Leon | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:51:35.26 | Linda | I can repeat it if you like. |
| 01:51:36.82 | Jonathan | Go ahead. |
| 01:51:37.08 | Linda | ahead. Thank you. I move to support the Butte Task Force proposal by the City Council pledging to donate the 50% of the City's interests of the Butte parcel to the third-party nonprofit proposed by this task force. |
| 01:51:56.69 | Chris Huntala | Right. |
| 01:51:56.99 | Ray Withy | Thank you. If I may, I think the problem is here with certain council members is the word donate. |
| 01:52:03.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:52:04.28 | Ray Withy | And I'd ask Leon whether that word needs to be in this motion. |
| 01:52:11.35 | Peter Romanowski | at this time. |
| 01:52:12.80 | Ray Withy | at this time. |
| 01:52:18.39 | Leon | Let me go back and reread what I had if I could. Sure, take your time. We are recommending that this task force be allowed to negotiate the purchase |
| 01:52:25.68 | Unknown | I recommend |
| 01:52:32.46 | Leon | of the city's co-owners undivided interest in the property. The funds for this purchase would come from a neutral third party. The new co-owner in the city would then deed the entire property to a conservation land trust to be held as solely dedicated to permanent open space. And this is, I might also include in that, that there is to be no cost to the city except for the legal closing costs that would come in. So we're not burdening the city with costs. Keeping in mind that the city When we bring that third party to the city, you're going to say yes or no or go in a whole different direction. You have that ability. It's in this. So we're not leaving out your decision capability and the possibility that you could just change. |
| 01:53:22.87 | Unknown | Oh, no. |
| 01:53:39.02 | Ray Withy | Well, you know, we got together and made this task force, and now this is their recommendation. So we have that motion on the floor. Thank you. You have two. Thank you. Thank you. What's the second? The second one was Jonathan on the... |
| 01:53:55.42 | Unknown | What's the second? |
| 01:54:00.58 | Ray Withy | on the class of the... |
| 01:54:01.16 | Unknown | that part of it. |
| 01:54:01.97 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:54:04.30 | Ray Withy | you |
| 01:54:04.85 | Jonathan | Leon, where exactly on your document is your recommended action? So I can make sure I... |
| 01:54:12.50 | Leon | Is it on the... All right, yes. If you look at page one, the very bottom sentence, |
| 01:54:21.10 | Jonathan | Okay. |
| 01:54:21.12 | Leon | Thank you. you With this in mind, we are recommending... Thank you. Do you see that? |
| 01:54:28.91 | Linda | I think we have a different piece of paper here. Yeah, I think we have a... |
| 01:54:31.11 | Unknown | Yeah, I think we have a |
| 01:54:34.06 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:54:34.27 | Bob Freeman | you |
| 01:54:34.45 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:54:34.79 | Bob Freeman | I call those. |
| 01:54:35.35 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 01:54:35.72 | Bob Freeman | Amen. |
| 01:54:36.05 | Thomas Theodores | Second. Oh, yeah. I would recommend that this task force be allowed to |
| 01:54:37.93 | Bob Freeman | Yeah. Okay. |
| 01:54:41.60 | Jonathan | I have a different thing. |
| 01:54:42.97 | Linda | Where is this? We say here. Where is it? |
| 01:54:45.42 | Unknown | Thank you. with this in one. |
| 01:54:48.27 | Jonathan | Oh, with his... okay. |
| 01:54:48.32 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:54:52.93 | Jonathan | Yeah, so all you're asking for in that sentence is you're asking for, we are recommending the task force be allowed to negotiate the purchase of the city co-owner's undivided interest in the property. Right, you're not asking at this moment in time for a donation or any of that. Well, I would have. |
| 01:55:04.10 | Unknown | Yeah. it. |
| 01:55:07.26 | Leon | Well, |
| 01:55:07.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:55:07.64 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:55:07.68 | Lou Warren | it. |
| 01:55:09.75 | Leon | Thank you. All right. Thank you. If you wake him up empty, He's done a good question. |
| 01:55:14.61 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:55:14.63 | Leon | you |
| 01:55:14.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:55:14.75 | Leon | Bye. |
| 01:55:14.78 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:55:14.81 | Leon | Ha, ha, ha. Thank you. |
| 01:55:16.15 | Jonathan | Right, so I think that to me, I'll amend my motion and say, and we send it and say that I recommend adopting the task force's request that they are recommended the task force be allowed to negotiate the purchase of the city co-owners undivided interest in the property. |
| 01:55:16.25 | Leon | Right. so Yes. |
| 01:55:32.20 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, if I may clarify this with Leon, because I want to make sure you understand what they're |
| 01:55:39.82 | Crystal Gift | Thank you. |
| 01:55:39.86 | Linda | suggesting is they're recommending that your task force be allowed to negotiate the purchase of the city's co-owners, the hunts. |
| 01:55:49.19 | Unknown | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 01:55:50.61 | Linda | undivided interest in the property. |
| 01:55:52.85 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:55:53.56 | Linda | What you're not asking for in this motion is that the city agree to then deed their half. |
| 01:56:02.03 | Leon | we need to hold those together this is our recommendation but we're also saying that essentially this is not binding we can't make it binding on you because there's probably going to be a public hearing so give us this intent give us this ability and we would hope that you would stay with us on this |
| 01:56:07.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:56:31.53 | Linda | So, Leanne, just to clarify, are you asking that the city then also, I mean, if the task, in the event that they're a task force, negotiates something with the Hunts, that then the city agreed to deed or donate their 50 percent because that's not in the current motion. |
| 01:56:45.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:56:49.67 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:56:53.28 | Leon | Yeah, is the condition proceed? Thank you. |
| 01:56:55.59 | Linda | Okay, so that's important. That's a very important part. So we should add that into the motion. |
| 01:56:55.63 | Leon | Okay. That's important. Yeah. |
| 01:57:00.98 | Thomas Theodores | 10%. |
| 01:57:01.23 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:57:01.38 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 01:57:01.89 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:57:01.90 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 01:57:02.17 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 01:57:05.08 | Thomas Theodores | with decision. |
| 01:57:06.73 | Jonathan | Yeah, I don't think we have the information to decide that. So it's not even in the document that I'm looking at. Thank you. |
| 01:57:13.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:57:14.00 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 01:57:14.31 | Linda | It is. It says the city would then deed the entire property, so the new Kona and the city would then deed the entire property to the Conservation Land Trust to be held as solely dedicated open space. |
| 01:57:14.38 | Jonathan | . |
| 01:57:14.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:57:14.68 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 01:57:29.17 | Linda | So where the task force, and correct me if I'm wrong, Leon, where the task force is hitting a bump in the road is that it's very, very difficult to talk with third-party non-profits, land trusts, and also to get donations for the hunt side, if the city has not already agreed that if that money is raised, that the city is prepared to deed its 50% as open space. |
| 01:58:01.84 | Ray Withy | That's up to this council to do later on. Right now, I think the, do we have to include that in there? I'm sorry, do we have to include that in there? |
| 01:58:11.55 | Unknown | I thought Thank you. |
| 01:58:14.01 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:58:14.03 | Unknown | Well, that's the task force. |
| 01:58:14.10 | Ray Withy | I think that's all right. Okay. Yeah. All right. And that's what's on the board. Okay. |
| 01:58:18.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:18.69 | Linda | Yeah. |
| 01:58:18.90 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:58:21.94 | Linda | So that goes back to my original motion. |
| 01:58:23.92 | Ray Withy | Do we have a second for which motion? |
| 01:58:27.27 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 01:58:27.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:28.34 | Linda | you |
| 01:58:28.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:28.42 | Betsy Stroman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:58:28.78 | Ray Withy | Do we have to go to his motion first, then we have to go to your? I thought you withdrew that motion. No, I put in, I just read. |
| 01:58:29.00 | Betsy Stroman | Do you? |
| 01:58:29.20 | Unknown | We have to go to his house. |
| 01:58:34.11 | Jonathan | So, So, |
| 01:58:36.32 | Ray Withy | you |
| 01:58:36.61 | Jonathan | then your motion has to be... First, just to clarify the motion, I'll try to get you halfway at least where you're trying to go. So we are... |
| 01:58:39.15 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. |
| 01:58:48.32 | Jonathan | the put forward this motion that we're adopting the task force recommendation that it be allowed to negotiate the purchase of the city's co-owners undivided interest in the property on Butte Street, whatever the street address number is. In addition, that the council endorsed that the city would be inclined to participate in one form or another in the a form to put its half of the property into open space, whether that's in form of donation or part of the sale, is yet to be determined. I think what you're trying to get to go to a Sure, a land trust wants things for free. I mean, that's, hey, they have only so much money to spend on buying land. But they also want to know the city's committed to be a part of the process rather than just having a group of citizens uh, you know, show up and represent the city. And I know it doesn't get you 100% where you want to go, but it gets you, halfway there saying, hey, we're going to be a part of the process. What do you want to put on the table kind of thing? That would be kind of the concept. I don't know if that gets you at least part of where you want to go. I'm not trying to make your life more difficult, but I know I am. |
| 01:59:56.90 | Unknown | We just did. |
| 01:59:58.28 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, if I may comment, the whole issue here is that the task force has found in their discussions with land trusts that they can't go forward without, I'm sorry, is that Vicki Nichols talking? Because I'm hearing conversation. |
| 02:00:16.32 | Fred Hilliard | . |
| 02:00:16.34 | Jonathan | I'm curious. |
| 02:00:17.10 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 02:00:17.42 | Jonathan | Yeah. |
| 02:00:17.48 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:00:18.43 | Fred Hilliard | Thank you. |
| 02:00:18.45 | Jonathan | Actually, that's his role as the mayor is to control the audience. Thank you, Council Member Leone. |
| 02:00:20.64 | Linda | to control the audience. Thank you for seeing me. Thank you, Council Member Leung. |
| 02:00:23.90 | Jonathan | Thank you, thank you. |
| 02:00:24.52 | Linda | Thank you very much. What I'm trying to communicate here is, and Leon, jump in if I get any part of this wrong, just to make it really clear. is that they've talked to land trusts, they've talked to nonprofits about... you know, if they raise money to purchase the Hunt side. And the Lanchese said, We don't even want to discuss this unless we know that the city is prepared to deed their 50% interest. Well, I'm encouraging you to go ahead and say. |
| 02:00:58.71 | Thomas Theodores | Would you address that issue? Because whether you can live with Vice Mayor Leone's suggestion, amendment. |
| 02:01:05.51 | Leon | I'm the task force chair. The task force has presented its recommendation and that's what I came here to present with a lot of thought having gone into this. We've gone to major land trusts and we've gone to individuals and others. They want to know that the city is serious about this and they recognize that the city is serious about this. and we've gone to individuals and others. They want to know that the city is serious about this and they recognize that the easiest way the thing's going to get done is the way we've recommended it. So, and I think that goes back to a question that came up. Yes, we've talked about this. |
| 02:01:47.77 | Unknown | Thank you. What's the cost? And we have decided as a task force that this is the best approach. Thank you. |
| 02:02:01.25 | Thomas Theodores | I agree. Thank you. May I make a comment? I agree. It's always problematic about donating, so to speak, some of the city property, but we have to bear in mind that we own this one half interest and we're stuck. And one of our benefits is that the hunts are stuck with us. But we can't turn around and sell that property for some value. I would love to be able to do that and put it back into our general fund that could be used. I don't think we could designate it for senior housing. And I think we're putting them in an untenable position to go back and say you have to buy the whole thing when both values both properties separately are really not worth anything, If we don't do anything now, we do subject ourselves pushing the hunts to the brink and they could file a partition suit. And we just we end up in a bigger mess. At some point, I think we're really have come pretty far down the road. I don't I think it's I think the proposal is a fairly reasonable one there. They're looking to get. get... you know, get money from third parties to buy out this property and this handles it. This was donated to the city. And more importantly, it doesn't have valued by itself. We can't turn around and sell that half interest for anything the way it's stuck right now. |
| 02:03:14.98 | Leon | In fact, the value has been reduced substantially just through the voices that came out in the housing element and pending litigation. If we don't do what we're trying to do, then at some point, the Hunts are probably going to take it for a partition case. And that's going to cost the city money. |
| 02:03:40.68 | Ray Withy | Mr. Mayor, I think Council Member Theodorus has made a really important point that hasn't come out yet in this discussion, which is probably the city's ownership interest is worthless anyway. |
| 02:03:41.79 | Leon | I think |
| 02:03:42.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:04:00.45 | Ray Withy | So I will second Councilmember Pfeiffer's motion and ask the Vice Mayor to withdraw his. |
| 02:04:08.76 | Jonathan | Yeah, no, I just, I hear you and your spirit of trying to get this done, but you know, neither is the hunts. It's not worth anything either. So why we should assist in liquefying their property and then give ours away for free is kind of a, |
| 02:04:24.43 | Ray Withy | and let's see what they have done. |
| 02:04:25.50 | Jonathan | No, but that's what I'm saying. Any land trust is going to have to get this appraised. Whether you appraise the whole property or half the property, they have to go out and get an appraisal so they can say to their |
| 02:04:25.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:04:35.74 | Jonathan | We appraise this and this is what we're afford to pay. We went through this with the Gossage property, right? And I met with every land trust known to mankind to try and find money to help the city buy that property. Yeah, it's always easier if people want to give it to free. They'll take it. and eat the maintenance costs if it's a property they think is of some value. in terms of preservation goes. But yeah, it's harder to go and make the paper, the whole thing. But if it's worth, if half the property's worth $200,000, then the other half is, if they say, well, your half's worthless, what half is worthless? Then the whole thing is only worth X. plus 200. where the whole thing is only worth 200 and everybody gets half. you know so I don't think we're here to liquefy A private property owner's a lot. and they can bring that soup, bring it on. And you can take it for free because you can have it. You know, God bless. But the amount that they asked for us to buy it from them was crazy talent. So good luck. Go find that. Put it up for sale year and a half and go get it. All right, so. You know, trying to extort something out of the city of Sausalito is not, in my mind, something that this council should support. Not you folks. I mean the other half of this property owner. So let's say, okay, let's put it up for sale tomorrow, see who's going to buy it, and see what the price is and then go to the land trust and say you want to pay that. I mean, there is no... it's going to stay open space the way it is now, even as designated multifamily. Because there ain't nothing going to happen on that property because it's too darn expensive to do anything. |
| 02:06:14.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:06:27.96 | Douglas Storms | May we start out? You've got to move forward. |
| 02:06:28.25 | Unknown | We start that. You gotta move for a while. |
| 02:06:36.87 | Debbie | This is on Vice Mayor Leone's motion. Council member, wait a minute. |
| 02:06:46.79 | Debbie | Council Member Fyber. |
| 02:06:47.80 | Linda | No. |
| 02:06:49.24 | Debbie | Councilmember Theodore. |
| 02:06:50.82 | Thomas Theodores | abstain. |
| 02:06:53.78 | Debbie | Council Member Whitty. |
| 02:06:54.86 | Thomas Theodores | No. |
| 02:06:57.05 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Leone. Mayor. |
| 02:07:01.22 | Jonathan | No. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to give Theodorus a shout out here. |
| 02:07:08.36 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 02:07:08.43 | Ray Withy | . Yeah. Okay, next motion. |
| 02:07:12.74 | Debbie | the motion on Councilmember Fyfer. |
| 02:07:15.70 | Jonathan | Okay. |
| 02:07:15.97 | Debbie | Remember Fiverr. |
| 02:07:17.23 | Linda | Yes. So let's. |
| 02:07:18.67 | Jonathan | Repeat the motion for the record to make sure we know exactly what it is, since we've massaged it into the actual person asking for the motions now for about 10 minutes. |
| 02:07:28.90 | Linda | I move to support the Butte Task Force proposal by pledging to generate 50% of the city's interests of the Butte parcel to a third party land trust as open space as recommended by Butte Task Force. |
| 02:07:47.15 | Ray Withy | I don't want to prolong this but that's not the motion I seconded. |
| 02:07:52.01 | Linda | I'm sorry, what the- |
| 02:07:53.52 | Ray Withy | We didn't pledge anything in the first motion. |
| 02:07:55.90 | Linda | Okay. I'm sorry. |
| 02:07:57.68 | Thomas Theodores | I'm sorry. I think you also said 50% of the city's interest, which I think would be honest with you. I'm sorry. I meant... |
| 02:08:01.28 | Linda | I'm sorry, I meant, yeah, okay. So you're talking about... Okay, I move. to support the Butte task force proposal that the city deed the city's interests of the Butte parcel as open space. Correct? To a... nonprofit trust as designated by the City's Butte Task Force. |
| 02:08:46.89 | Leon | This is getting way too slow. |
| 02:08:48.01 | Unknown | . |
| 02:08:50.59 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 02:08:50.60 | Ray Withy | That's what we talked about. |
| 02:08:51.14 | Linda | That's what we talked about. Leanne, I will verbatim repeat what you tell me. Okay. |
| 02:08:56.54 | Ray Withy | Please let you tell me. Okay. |
| 02:09:00.32 | Leon | I think it can be stated simply. If you just take what I have, again, starting with, we are recommending, so this would be, |
| 02:09:16.96 | Lou Warren | Move. |
| 02:09:17.35 | Leon | The first task that the Butte Street Task Force be allowed to negotiate the purchase of the city's co-owners' undivided interest in the property. The funds for this purchase would come from a neutral third party. The new co-owner and the city would then deed the entire property to a conservation land trust to be held as solely dedicated to permanent open space. |
| 02:09:47.19 | Linda | Okay, Debbie, that's my motion. |
| 02:09:50.78 | Ray Withy | And I'm happy to second that. |
| 02:09:56.67 | Debbie | This is number five here. |
| 02:09:57.66 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:09:57.77 | Debbie | Yes. I'm still a member of Theodore. |
| 02:09:59.76 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 02:10:01.04 | Debbie | That's a number of ways to do it. |
| 02:10:01.82 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:10:02.03 | Jonathan | Yes. |
| 02:10:04.84 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Liam. |
| 02:10:06.37 | Jonathan | I'll abstain from this one. |
| 02:10:07.98 | Debbie | you |
| 02:10:08.18 | Unknown | Thank you. You've been talking to him about hours. Mayor Weiner. Yes. |
| 02:10:11.59 | Ray Withy | Yes, yes. And Leon, once again, thank you very, very much for an excellent job. |
| 02:10:12.52 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks for your hard work. |
| 02:10:20.53 | Ray Withy | Yeah, we're going to take up to a five-minute break right this time. All right. |
| 02:10:20.55 | Unknown | Yeah, what |
| 02:11:40.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:40.25 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:11:40.52 | Unknown | I'm |
| 02:11:43.12 | Ray Withy | Um, who's right? |
| 02:11:46.15 | Jonathan | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:11:46.73 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:11:46.85 | Jonathan | is still with |
| 02:11:47.39 | Ray Withy | Amen. |
| 02:11:50.76 | Ray Withy | I can go. All right. All right. Moving on to item B, rehabilitation of the public pier. Lily? |
| 02:12:00.14 | Lily | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council Members. Tonight we have this item is a discussion of the public pier on Bridgeway. The site is located next door to the Trident Restaurant and it's an overwater parcel. In terms of background, The old firehouse used to be on the site until 1933. when it was moved across the street, and now it's at 539 Bridgeway. From 1933 to 1936, the public pier was constructed, and until 2001, the pier has been used for public access to enjoy views and for fishing. In 2001, a major storm occurred that destroyed much of the pier. In 2007, the Costco-Busan oil spill occurred, and recently the city received grant monies from the settlement agreement to rebuild the public pier. In June of this year, the council was made aware of the monies, and in July, the council accepted the grant monies and authorized city staff to secure a design firm and a team to prepare plans for the rebuilding of the pier. Last week on October 16th, the Planning Commission held a meeting on the request to reconstruct the pier. |
| 02:13:26.98 | Lily | This slide shows the project that the Planning Commission reviewed and considered at that meeting. In terms of the decking and framing, all existing remaining decking and framing material would be removed. The new decking would be Alaskan yellow cedar, and the replacement of the structural framing would be coated pressure treated Douglas fir. A majority of the new deck in this proposal would be raised 3 feet 6 inches taller than the existing bridgeway sidewalk level to accommodate an increase in base flood elevation. In order to access this new level of deck, there would be a set of stairs and an ADA-compliant access ramp. With regards to the pilings, all pilings would be reused. There would be no new pilings or other in-water work as a part of the project. in order to accommodate the new deck height extension of 13 of the existing pilings would be needed. and the remaining pilings would be untouched. In terms of the guardrails, all existing guardrails that are remaining would be removed. New guardrails would be a combination of wood and cabling. The top posts would be Alaskan yellow cedar. There would be vertical posts constructed of aluminum, and stainless steel cabling would be located below the top rail running horizontally between the aluminum tubes. And then the handrails for the stairs and the ramp would be aluminum tubing. Access to the shoreline walkway, as shown in the picture on the right-hand corner there, would also be improved by removing those existing stairs and constructing a new concrete ramp. and there would be handrails constructed of aluminum tubing. |
| 02:15:33.78 | Lily | The Planning Commission at their meeting last week conducted a review of the project and took public comment and had a discussion and then voted 5-0 to direct staff to return at their next meeting on October 30th with a resolution to deny the project. The main concerns identified by the commission at that meeting included the proposed materials, including the combination of wood, aluminum, and stainless steel. There was also a concern with the two-level deck design with the switchback ramp and the handrails. And lastly, there was a concern with the three-and-a-half-foot height increase of the deck due to the city requirement to elevate structures in coastal high-hazard areas. We've just received news this afternoon from the city engineer who put together the plans that there may be a possibility of lowering the deck from the height that's proposed in the plans and shown in the story of polls by two and a half feet. And that would still comply with the city's regulations. |
| 02:16:49.09 | Lily | So staff has identified a number of options for the council to consider this evening. First, the council could direct staff to appeal the Planning Commission decision and then reverse the Commission's decision. either approving the project with the current design or approving the project with a modified design. The council could also direct staff to agendize city council consideration of a floodplain management variance to exempt the city from the height, the required elevation increase. The council could direct staff to request an extension from the grant administrator, and if that's granted, develop a new design for the pier. The council could direct staff to return to the planning commission with a modified design. Council could also abandon the project, which would result in the city potentially being responsible for the design fees, which include approximately $25,400 to date. The council could decide to remove the remains of the pier at the city's expense and not rebuild it. This could potentially result in the cost of the city of the design fees and the demolition and removal costs. And then lastly, there may be other options identified at tonight's meeting that the council could consider. |
| 02:18:21.87 | Lily | With that, staff is recommending the council have a discussion and provide feedback on the next steps for the rehab of peers. And that concludes our staff report, and we're available for any questions. |
| 02:18:35.07 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, let's go up. Field. Question on the... the news that we might be able to lower it two and a half feet. Now, one of the planning commission's issues is the two level design. Would that allow us to change the design and not have a ramp or multi-level ramp |
| 02:18:54.63 | Lily | I'm going to ask your public works director if he could step up to answer that question. |
| 02:18:59.45 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:18:59.47 | Unknown | Mmm. |
| 02:19:01.23 | Jonathon Goldman | There would still be a difference in elevation between the sidewalk on Bridgeway and the deck height, but it would be significantly less than what the engineer designed and that the Planning Commission reviewed. |
| 02:19:15.84 | Thomas Theodores | still need the double ramp or would you be able to use possibly one ramp since you're cutting it down by two thirds? |
| 02:19:22.98 | Jonathon Goldman | In my judgment, it can be done with a single ramp, but those details would have to be worked out. There's no question but that two and a half foot lower would make that component significantly less visible and less kind of tortuous and convoluted than the original design was. |
| 02:19:50.03 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, I have a question. So I just wanted to confirm too, because I've seen this and then I've seen the you know, the diagrams that the actual footprint of the new pier is within the footprint of the current pier. So I'm not talking about the height, but just the footprint. That's correct. Exactly. |
| 02:20:13.84 | Lily | you |
| 02:20:15.46 | Ray Withy | You may have said this, Lily, sorry. Was the original peer at Bridgeway level? |
| 02:20:23.59 | Lily | To my knowledge, yes. |
| 02:20:25.87 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 02:20:26.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:30.95 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, oh, go ahead. Thank you, let's see. I had a... question. |
| 02:20:42.24 | Unknown | and we'll go back to our clinic. |
| 02:20:43.59 | Jonathan | Lily, what are you looking for from the Council today? |
| 02:20:43.93 | Linda | you Thank you. |
| 02:20:44.15 | Lily | Oh. |
| 02:20:48.01 | Lily | direction, we provided these options. |
| 02:20:50.58 | Jonathan | to do these options. |
| 02:20:52.95 | Linda | Oh, I remember Mr. Mayor. Thank you. So, oh yes. |
| 02:20:58.62 | Jonathan | No, I just wanted to... |
| 02:21:00.04 | Linda | Thank you. So I had asked this earlier and I feel very comfortable in reading the staff report that this will This is specifically for a fishing pier and not for boats to dock off it or anything like that. |
| 02:21:14.23 | Lily | The pier would be for public access, to enjoy the views, and for fishing, and there's no docking. |
| 02:21:21.03 | Linda | So when you say public access, you're not saying public access from the water, but from bridgeway. Pedestrian. Pedestrian, thank you. |
| 02:21:25.88 | Lily | you |
| 02:21:26.03 | Mary Wagner | Western. |
| 02:21:41.42 | Ron Albert | Good evening, Ron Albert, resident of Sausalito. I came down to speak in favor of the pier. Even if this design couldn't have been altered, I believe that the pier three and a half feet above the sidewalk was better than no pier at all. Now finding that we can lower it two and a half feet, I mean, this is even more of a no-brainer. |
| 02:21:42.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:22:07.69 | Ron Albert | I first have seen that floodplain ordinance. I think that came along after I served. You ought to give some thought to modifying that so that it's applicable to living space. It makes a whole lot of sense, somebody building a home over the water, that they build it up higher. But they shouldn't have, if somebody's building a dock off their house, they shouldn't have to put it up that high. It's easy enough to raise the height of somebody's dock or their outside deck or whatever it might be if the waters do rise or to tolerate it flooding in an unusual event. It really seems this ordinance should be limited to living space and not any construction, which as I've read it, it's just phrase. So I'm here to find a way to get this thing approved and built with the Costco-Bissonne money. Thank you. |
| 02:23:08.88 | Ray Withy | Thank you very much. |
| 02:23:15.58 | Mike Monsef | Mike Monsef. I'm still living in South Saliva, even in South my house. |
| 02:23:22.28 | Ray Withy | We see you every morning. |
| 02:23:24.75 | Mike Monsef | Thank you. Thank you. I want this... |
| 02:23:29.00 | Leon | Thank you. |
| 02:23:37.28 | Mike Monsef | Let me pass issue of here. |
| 02:23:39.27 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:23:45.20 | Mike Monsef | I give you enough to pass it around. Anyway, Linda, you're not doing anything. Oh. |
| 02:23:56.59 | Mike Monsef | Since 1986, I've been after this doc to be repaired. I brought, God bless his soul, Elma Majora over there And he looked at it and he said, Mike, we can Thank you. repair this one and bring it back to original condition. And at that time, he gave me a cost of $100,000. and I was planning to start asking for donation to raise some money for it. I was away last time when you took it to the Planning Commission. I wish I was here. I was traveling, enjoying my time. And when I found out |
| 02:24:41.54 | Jonathan | You're not allowed to do that, Mike. |
| 02:24:42.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:24:42.77 | Mike Monsef | I know, I know. I came back, yeah. |
| 02:24:43.05 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 02:24:45.24 | Ray Withy | Yeah. First of all, you weren't allowed to leave the city unless you put it in writing. |
| 02:24:46.32 | Mike Monsef | I'm not. |
| 02:24:50.42 | Mike Monsef | So anyway, I came back and I found out about this. I said, when is the meeting? I want to be here. Please don't kill this one. What are we going to live as a legacy to the next generation? Everything is going to be run down. ugly. I mean, we should be ashamed of ourselves. to leave these things and not do anything. I'm worried about whether there's a boat that's going to be over there or somebody's going to walk on that. change. If you have a political opinion, different, put it aside. I want to see something tangible. from this body to put down. Something that leaves, like when we had our mayor, Sally Stamford, she left the bathroom for us. We always said Sally Stamford built this. Now we have the new bathroom. Let's not fight about something, whether it's going to be a boat over there, or whether it's going to be somebody walking from the water over there. And if there's a problem with Mr. |
| 02:25:58.38 | Unknown | Thank you. here it is. |
| 02:26:01.60 | Mike Monsef | free men. I said we can put some glass or some plexiglass over there so nobody fish from that. But he can use that deck. for serving and getting our tourists or ourself over there on that, enjoy that little bit of water. Please do not kill that. Send it back to Planning Commission and make sure that they review it again. |
| 02:26:23.59 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Mike. Bob, why don't you all line up behind Bob there and you'll make it faster. |
| 02:26:32.34 | Bob Freeman | Yeah, it's Bob Freeman. I won't beat you to death. I'm 100% behind the renovation of the facility with one caveat. Let's strike the word fishing. I swear if you can protect the windows, great, but I see them being broken. But it does need to be done. I agree with Mike wholeheartedly. You've got to get the thing fixed up. If you have money on the table, let's use it. |
| 02:26:44.87 | Unknown | SECT THE WINDOW. |
| 02:26:45.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:26:45.51 | Unknown | those. |
| 02:26:56.90 | Ray Withy | So you don't want to call it fishing, you want to call it catching. Yeah. |
| 02:27:00.48 | Bob Freeman | Thank you. I want to call it no-fishing. Maybe selling cocktails in the city of his friends. Who knows? |
| 02:27:02.74 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:27:02.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:02.85 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:27:02.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:03.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:27:03.23 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:27:05.93 | Lou Warren | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:27:07.92 | Bob Freeman | Thank you. |
| 02:27:08.03 | Lou Warren | you |
| 02:27:08.10 | Unknown | you |
| 02:27:08.15 | Bob Freeman | you |
| 02:27:08.22 | Unknown | . |
| 02:27:08.47 | Bob Freeman | Thank you. |
| 02:27:08.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:08.90 | Lou Warren | Thank you. Hi, Lou Warren, 1707 Bridgeway, Sausalito. The original discussions of this pier being repaired, as many folks remember, started after it was damaged and was unusable anymore due to storms. |
| 02:27:09.11 | Unknown | Julie. |
| 02:27:09.76 | Bob Freeman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:27:09.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:24.67 | Unknown | . |
| 02:27:25.64 | Lou Warren | Um, And it grew into a whole thing about building a downtown marina And now it's finally back to actually a fishing pier. And I agree that we need to finish this one, get it done for the next generation, but also let's have a design that's workable for Sausalito that fits with our historic district and fits with the purpose of that peer, viewing, fishing, Just, you know, enjoying the day. And you know, something for the kids, something for all of us. Some of us were kids here and we remember that here. And I think we can bring it back, some modifications to the current design for sure, and bring down the height level as much as possible for sure. But we're getting there. This design is not perfect, but I don't think we should throw that grant away. Let's apply for an extension and work a design that fits the historic district, that fits the new heights that need to be applied, and fits all laws and necessities, and does provide some sort of fund for unbreakable plexiglass. Thank you. |
| 02:28:44.75 | Ray Withy | Okay. Question? |
| 02:28:51.34 | Chris Huntala | Good evening, Chris Huntala, 625 Bridgeway. I want to urge you to approve this project and push it forward. It's a sore site. It's been a sore site for downtown for many years. It's the first thing you see when you come downtown, whether you're on a bike, on a car, on a bus. It's the first thing you see on the right next to Bob's Beautiful Restaurant. It needs to be repaired, especially with the modification of lower height and one ramp. She suggested, Ted, I think it's a must. Please do it. Thank you. |
| 02:29:06.68 | Unknown | Come down. |
| 02:29:27.37 | Unknown | Thank you. Doug. |
| 02:29:33.30 | David Swannick | Hello, my name is David Swannick. I'm not Doug. Sorry. Look like that. We'll call you Doug from now on just for hell of it. I don't even know who Doug is. Well, we'll introduce you to him. Go ahead. It's actually my first time at a city council meeting, so I agree with the first speaker. This is a no-brainer. This should be very easy compared to your last item. My house looks down at this current eyesore, and I see it every day. I'm the house one south from the art gallery. I guess the art gallery used to be the fire station that was moved from this spot. So I am a fisherman, not a serious one, but I'm out there and I'm |
| 02:29:35.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:29:35.03 | Ray Withy | Oh, sorry. Look like that. We'll call you Doug from now on, just for hell of it. I don't even know who Doug is. |
| 02:29:42.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:29:42.75 | Ray Withy | Well, we'll introduce you to him. Go ahead. |
| 02:30:07.05 | Jonathan | Yeah. |
| 02:30:13.36 | David Swannick | Basically every weekend along the shore with my son and guests, we catch a lot of fish, we catch rock crab, we catch rock cod, we catch a lot of stingrays, we catch sharks. 99% of what we catch we throw back. There's, it took us a year to learn how to fish off the shore due to all the rocks. It's very poor fishing there. There's never more than five or ten fishermen because the gear gets stuck in the rocks and it's a real hazard. If you look at low tide, the rocks are full of old fishing gear and crab traps and it does a lot of ecological damage. For especially crab fishing, you need a pier to drop a crab trap down and this would be ideal there's not a lot of fishermen here I think this pier will be mainly used by residents and visitors it's not good for fishing because there's no place to park people who want to go fishing off a pier go down under the Golden Gate Ridge where there's a pier, and they can drop crab traps, and they can park. |
| 02:30:51.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:24.06 | David Swannick | There's not a lot of outdoor recreation within walking distance of Bridgeway, of my house. I have kids. This is what we do. We have a very narrow little sidewalk to fish off of, and it's far from ideal. We can cast without breaking any windows. I think that's a problem that can be overcome. What I'd like to see, since this is a very short timeline, there's grant money available. It's use it or lose it grant money. I watched the Planning Commission on the internet. I didn't show up at the meeting. I would have if I just had, could not imagine that anyone would vote no on this. So I didn't even bother to go. And sure enough, they voted 5-0 and really for some very, what I consider ridiculous reasons, that aren't really in the purview of the Planning Commission. I agree this should be lowered. I think it could be one level at elevation 10 feet. 10 feet is the elevation of the sidewalk. And the comment about living space being elevated over the flood zone is right on. The last dock lasted 70 years before it was damaged by a storm. I'm sure it was overtopped many, many times. It gets wet, it dries out. A modern dock with straps holding down the beams, just half a minute more if I could, would hold up to the occasional storm. So I agree we don't need, I think the Planning Commission, they called it a jungle gym or a Mickey Mouse arrangement to comply with ADA. I know why the designer did it. They were just following code, but really to lower it to one level. at 10 feet, which is the elevation of the sidewalk. or ramp it up over the length of the dock so it's at 11 feet at the end, so it gradually goes up, that would solve that whole design issue. So I urge you to approve this tonight Don't send it back to the Planning Commission if you saw that Planning Commission. I saw them. I had enough trouble doing a remodel of my house for that Planning Commission. That is not a body that gets things done. I think the City Council can get this done, and I think one of the first options up there is direct staff to make the appropriate design changes, put it out to bid, get it built, and we can be fishing off that dock by the first of the year. Thank you. |
| 02:33:34.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:33:35.06 | Unknown | That is not a problem. Thank you. |
| 02:33:36.73 | Jim Irving | He's gone. |
| 02:33:55.09 | Ray Withy | Okay. Adam? |
| 02:34:00.59 | Adam Krivachi | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, honorable members of the Council, Adam Krivachi, 840 Olima Street. I am here to support the idea of rebuilding the fishing pier. I am not here to endorse necessarily the design. planning commission spent lots of time thinking about it, looking at it, and there must have been a reason why they recommended that the design as submitted to the Planning Commission should not be approved. Thank you. So, one of the alternatives listed here that one of the choices offered to the City Council is to modify the design. Maybe that requires extension of the use of the grant money, but I would like to urge the city council to pursue the project, build it in San Francisco. The fishing piers are destinations for the locals. My son walked from Russian Hill down to the Broadway pier every day when he was here from Hawaii and asked me for 25 cents for bait and fished with that, shared his bait with the guy there. This is a special experience in everybody's life and I would not want to lose that for the kids who live close or far from the pier. Thank you very much. |
| 02:35:54.50 | Ray Withy | Nathan. |
| 02:35:57.59 | Unknown | My name is Matthew Nathans. I'm a resident and social leader. |
| 02:36:01.81 | Jonathan | Can we call you Doug instead just for kicks? |
| 02:36:03.95 | Unknown | Charlie, I answered it, Charlie. He comes to the other guy. There's no question to me that this pier should be remodeled. It would be ludicrous, Monty Python-esque, in fact, if we turn down the money that's on the table. I'm also aware that people have two professions, their own architectural critic, three if you count film critic. And I agree that the pier is not what I would design or would appreciate. I don't know whether it was designed by a committee or by an engineer. I don't know if it was designed by an architect, but there are excellent nautical architects out there. |
| 02:36:05.89 | Jonathan | HEH. |
| 02:36:06.31 | Unknown | Thank you. Bye. Thank you. |
| 02:36:16.79 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. If we |
| 02:36:19.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:36:39.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:36:39.88 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:36:39.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:36:45.11 | Unknown | who could design a pier within the code. I am sure that we'll be in keeping with the character of the Slaus Leder on the character of what we have as a waterfront town, but we can't let the money go away. So your members of the council, you know how to do this. I don't know how to do this. Take the money. Worry about the details later if we can. And manipulate, sorry, negotiate with the Planning Commission as you have to. But we need this pier, we should have this pier. It would be part of your own legacy, your own patrimony towards this city. And I fully support it. Okay, thank you. |
| 02:37:26.00 | Ray Withy | Becky. |
| 02:37:29.83 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, I wasn't going to speak. I am a member of the Planning Commission, so I don't want to speak about the merits of the project, but I'm going to bring up something that's not been discussed tonight, and that is from the very start of our discussion, it was brought to our attention, and it is specified in the staff report that this money must be used by January 2014. So the discussion started out with asking the staff if by the time the bids went out and the designs were done, the design by the way, as I understand it was done by an ADA architect, so that's who did the design. |
| 02:37:46.32 | Unknown | money. |
| 02:38:09.26 | Vicki Nichols | we couldn't get this built in time to honor this money anyway, and that was admitted in our meeting. So to say, send it back to planning or do it here or there, there's a window in here from the biologist's report that there can't be any construction between November and March. I think it's actually between June for underwater sea creatures or whatever. this project could not have happened so the Planning Commission all agreed I think for those that haven't watched this the tape or whatever that we recommended that the city go back and request from these grantors could we get an extension you did lose a month from the timeline that Lily showed you about the discussion in June and July you were silent in August so you didn't have that opportunity to make a decision faster and I know that you didn't even see this plan because the plan wasn't drawn up we saw it first so I think everybody had very good intentions here and I think that the time just got away from us and it got molded into a time frame that would make make it work for the grant money but I would urge you to really really try with these agencies to get Thank you. timeframe that would make make it work for the grant money but I would urge you to really really try with these agencies to get this money everybody on the Planning Commission wants to appear I think it was the design and the the view impacts that weren't brought up too much but I think there's a way to do it but I would just urge urge you to really... I think it's BCDC that controls the November to March timeline, but that's critical. This could not have happened even if we all said yes the other night, and the staff admitted that. So, thank you. |
| 02:39:52.27 | Jonathan | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:39:53.10 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:39:53.13 | Jonathan | Question for the city attorney. |
| 02:39:54.75 | Ray Withy | Okay, any other questions from the public? All right, let's bring it back up. Mayor Kempis. |
| 02:39:59.27 | Jonathan | Mary, can I ask a city attorney question? So, oh, geez, now I forgot who I was going to ask. Mary, as far as the process here, what is within the purview of, you know, there's a lot of bullet point potential here, but as far as moving directly forward from the council we'd have to appeal it to ourselves is that essentially or just kind of de facto have an agendized item not tonight or in another night if you wanted just anyway would that have to be the current design or could it be a different design Okay, start with the appeal. And let me ask a few more questions. |
| 02:40:33.24 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 02:40:33.55 | Mary Wagner | And let me ask a few more questions in time. Actually, the City Council can't self-appeal. You don't have the ability in your ordinance to appeal to yourself. So you would be directing staff that when the Planning Commission makes a final determination, because they haven't actually voted on the resolution yet, that staff would bring that up to you on appeal. If the council said, so that was your first question. Thank you. |
| 02:41:01.49 | Unknown | Let me, so if you... |
| 02:41:03.06 | Jonathan | If you permit me a little bit. So what did they vote 5-0 on then? |
| 02:41:03.13 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:41:08.26 | Mary Wagner | To direct staff to return with a resolution of denial on October 30th. |
| 02:41:10.87 | Jonathan | Okay. On October 30th. Okay, so that would be the, then it would be, we would direct you to bring it back here from, to appeal it to the council or whatever, right? Correct. |
| 02:41:16.17 | Mary Wagner | Amen. |
| 02:41:21.93 | Mary Wagner | Correct, but there's other options within that as well. |
| 02:41:23.78 | Jonathan | Right. Right, but if the design changes, like say to the 1.5 foot height, does it have to go back to the Planning Commission as a new project because they already voted against the original one and they didn't continue the item, which would have been a much more simpler way to go, even if you don't like something, if you're supportive of the idea, you continue it, rather than just vote 5-0 because you think it's a jungle gym. But let's...sorry, I'm elongating my question. So what's the process now? |
| 02:41:55.15 | Mary Wagner | If the City Council directed modifications to the project tonight to be pursued, I think there are a couple of options. You could ask the Planning Commission to look at that modified design. The Planning Commission could take whatever action they take on that modified design. Or you could have the Planning Commission take action on the project that they've already seen, ask them that that be denied without prejudice so that the staff could return with a modified project incorporating the council's direction. |
| 02:42:28.95 | Jonathan | but then you have a higher You have my memory from six years ago or seven years ago. You have to go through higher level submittal requirements all over again if it's a new project, right? If they continue it without, if they deny it without prejudice, you have to submit a new project and go through that same rigmarole that everybody else has to go through, including myself, to submit a new project. |
| 02:42:47.96 | Mary Wagner | roll and everything. |
| 02:42:52.16 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, the purpose of the denial without prejudice is to avoid the one year for not being able to return with a similar project. I believe that the majority of the submittal has already been accomplished. It would be the modification of the plans to incorporate whatever direction the council gave us tonight. |
| 02:42:55.26 | Jonathan | One year. |
| 02:43:04.85 | Jonathan | To incorporate. |
| 02:43:10.91 | Jonathan | Does anybody else have any questions? I have a question for the captain here. Go ahead. Go ahead. |
| 02:43:15.95 | Mary Wagner | Go ahead. Mayor Weiner, I believe, and Lily Shinsen pointed this out to me today, that's actually what you did with the bathroom project. |
| 02:43:17.98 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 02:43:18.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:26.50 | Mary Wagner | you had it go back to the Planning Commission with direction from the Council to staff on design modifications. |
| 02:43:30.26 | Unknown | from the Council to say, Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:43:38.60 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:43:40.00 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 02:43:40.03 | Ray Withy | No, I was actually needing to ask our Director of Public Works some questions about the grant timing and |
| 02:43:40.13 | Jonathan | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:43:40.30 | Ray Withy | I'm not. |
| 02:43:51.29 | Ray Withy | Uh... Planning Commissioner Nichols made the comment that this couldn't have been accomplished within the timeframe anyway. Could you comment on the timing, what the use of the money means, the likelihood that we could extend this, or to sort of basically, how on earth are we going to get this money and get this done, considering where we are right now? |
| 02:44:19.60 | Jonathon Goldman | Uh, sure. We have an agreement with the grant administrating agency to design, permit, and construct the fishing pier rehabilitation by the end of January. Had the Planning Commission approved what was applied for, I'm not entirely sure where the information came from that we couldn't accomplish delivery of that project within that timeframe, but in my judgment, we could have. The one complicating factor is herring spawning season. And while we do not have to get a permit from the agency that regulates fisheries and while we are not working in the water, which would be their jurisdiction I think if push came to shove, Our environmental consultant recommended that if we could avoid disturbing herring spawning season, we would be wise to do so. On that basis, I have already advised the grant administrator that we would like to extend the agreement period, the time that we would be allowed to complete the work in to avoid the possibility of adverse effects to Harry. I have not heard back from the grant administrator yet on that question. So I think that answers your question. |
| 02:46:04.18 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 02:46:18.44 | Mike Monsef | I'd like to know the content of this. You have to finish the project or the project should start before that date? Because we can start. the project and not finish by 15, because as long as we activate this money, start going toward that, we can proceed with it. That's something that Mary can tell us. And also consider that one a repair rather than new. That way we can probably get around it much better and easier. |
| 02:46:52.10 | Ray Withy | Jonathan. |
| 02:46:55.38 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:46:55.39 | Mike Monsef | Thank you. |
| 02:46:55.87 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:46:57.32 | Mike Monsef | Thank you. |
| 02:46:57.35 | Jonathon Goldman | Our contract says we're supposed to be done with construction by the end of January 2014. I don't think that that's particularly subject to interpretation, although I always defer to the city attorney if she would like to. |
| 02:47:13.82 | Unknown | I'm like, |
| 02:47:16.00 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:47:16.52 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:47:16.57 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 02:47:16.81 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:47:17.75 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:47:17.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. All right. |
| 02:47:24.84 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:47:25.43 | Ray Withy | I'll let you come up one more. I'll give you one minute. |
| 02:47:30.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:47:30.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:47:30.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:47:30.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:47:31.07 | Ray Withy | Time's up. Go ahead. |
| 02:47:34.49 | Unknown | This may be a first question. Can we get another architect? I mean, it is so off, I would feel, again, the caveat I wanted to say before, that it's so out of character what we want and what we're doing. There are other ADA architects out there. And some have perhaps a greater sensibility and sensitivity to this city than the one we have. |
| 02:47:39.96 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 02:47:46.63 | Unknown | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 02:47:47.67 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:47:49.83 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:47:50.96 | Unknown | some have. |
| 02:47:51.54 | Unknown | Thank you. I'm sorry. |
| 02:47:58.81 | Ray Withy | Okay, fine. |
| 02:48:02.12 | Jonathan | That's a question. Was it an engineered structure or was it an architecturally designed structure? I've heard either side. I've never seen the actual, I saw the plan down by the water, but I haven't seen the originals. |
| 02:48:15.08 | Jonathon Goldman | As you may recall in a previous episode of Doug, the city requested proposals for a design of the fishing pier rehabilitation project. I received one proposal from a structural engineer who is actually very well known for these very kinds of facilities. I think to the extent that there are design elements that people regard as inconsistent with other facilities in Sausalito, I think the responsibility for that is mine. What we tried to do was identify a combination of, fundamentally it all comes down to the guards, the guardrails and handrails. The ADA piece is specified in code and again, given that we can actually lower the finished deck height when compared with what was designed, I think we can deal with the ramp and the accessibility piece. What we tried to do with the guards was to do something that, attempted to reflect what was historically there or might have been historically there along the lines of what we did with the boardwalk at the Bay Street, South Suri on Harbor, Volcan, but avoid the adverse impacts to views of the water that 100% would, with a California Building Code compliant guard that we can't get a four-inch ball through created there. That obviously was ringingly endorsed in its design quality by the Planning Commission and the number of speakers earlier this evening. So I think the short answer is independent of whether we hire a different designer, if it pleases the council to change the design to better reflect the interests of the community, that's not particularly difficult to do and I don't think would be particularly costly. |
| 02:50:15.78 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:50:33.37 | Jonathan | Mr. Mayor, can I ask him? Jonathan, Doug, can you answer the question of, you know, what is the genesis of this new height reduction and as this newfound thing? And two, if you build it at sidewalk level anyway, which may not be the greatest investment made in mankind's history, but is that permissible or is that not permissible to do? So let's start with the first one. This is the same thing I did to Mary. Two questions in one. So the first one, what happened that we found we could do it lower? I mean, I'm not saying who's to blame. I'm just saying what did we uncover? Notify it. |
| 02:51:07.42 | Unknown | of fire. you Yeah. |
| 02:51:10.34 | Jonathon Goldman | There are two pieces to that and I'm going to answer the second question first. The code, in my opinion, is, and I know a number of speakers have suggested that we even should modify the code, et cetera, et cetera. The code is very clear, and it's not just our code. It's federal code associated with the National Flood Insurance Program. It doesn't matter whether it's a residential structure or a non-residential structure. the lowest elevation of a horizontal structural member in uh... coastal high velocity flooding zone has to be at or above the base flood elevation. As of this moment, the base flood elevation in Sausalito is plus nine feet above 1988 North American Vertical Datum. Um, the proposed base flood elevation that FEMA expects to issue in the form of a current effective flood insurance rate map within eight months is plus 10 feet. So in order to comply with our code, those structural members need to be at plus nine feet now. And they're a foot high and then there's the thickness of the deck above them. um, We know approximately what the elevation of the sidewalk is, but we also know that that portion of bridgeway is within the current 100-year floodplain. So the designer, who again is a Thank you. Thank you. an interesting and very experienced engineer, recognizing that even though the fishing pier that was there that was damaged beyond repair in 2001, survived a long time. recommended, and when we look at the code and take his recommendation, he wanted to elevate it higher than the code requires and that the code would require when the new base blood elevation becomes effective. In conversation with him earlier today, he said, well, I'm. just trying to protect the community's investment and trying to make sure that $160,000 of someone else's money continues to serve this community for as long as possible. But he said it could be lower than what he designed. What we will do, assuming we're successful in getting this project, keeping this project Amen. Thank you. on track to be delivered with the grant funds is have the site surveyed with respect to that vertical datum, the correct vertical datum. and prepare a pre-construction elevation certificate, which is a tool that the city engineer and floodplain administrators provided for. And then construct it to precisely the right elevation, prepare a post-construction elevation certificate, certificate, which gives us documentation to allow us to defend the city's decisions in approving a project and verify that it complies with the standards that the National Flood Insurance Program makes available to communities that want to participate in the program. The advantage to that certainly accrues directly to this project, and I'm in bonus time here, sorry, because you didn't ask any of these questions. The other advantage beyond this project is that by being able to participate in the National Flood Insurance Program as a community, people here get to buy insurance and we get flood disaster relief in the event there is a flood. |
| 02:54:49.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:02.84 | Jonathon Goldman | meaning there will be a flood and we'll be grateful that we were in the program. Whereas if we violate the tenets of that program and construct things that don't comply with that code or our codes, we can lose that privilege. |
| 02:55:20.67 | Ray Withy | What question, Jonathan? The second bullet point there, which is City Council to consider floodplain management variance, Who grants our variance? |
| 02:55:33.98 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, first of all, well, the short answer is that the council has the authority to grant a variance from our flood damage prevention ordinance. We, at this point this evening, don't have enough information to allow the council to If the Council wanted to explore the notion of a variance, we would have to do some work to try to figure out, frankly, because I don't think people would that the city has the grounds for granting a variance, but I don't want you to take my word for it. We would want to take the time to do some research to contact FEMA now that they're actually allowed to be at work again and State Department of Water Resources folks and research that issue. But the code which may be in your staff report and is certainly accessible to you, lays out the criteria for variance and so on. |
| 02:56:35.56 | Jonathan | And one last question, and I didn't see it on the plans here, but my understanding from the is that also there was a construction of a ramp down to the proposed construction of a ramp down to the lower on top of the sewer pipe path. Yes. Is that still part of this project? Is it a mandated part of this project? Is it an access point or? |
| 02:56:52.52 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:56:52.80 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:56:52.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:55.10 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 02:56:59.77 | Jonathon Goldman | mandate. |
| 02:57:03.18 | Jonathan | No, I'm saying not from a cost standpoint, but because you're doing construction as a trigger, having to provide access to both... |
| 02:57:11.11 | Jonathon Goldman | and |
| 02:57:11.97 | Jonathan | Not if it's a good thing. Let's just set that aside. |
| 02:57:15.68 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, I appreciate that. In my opinion, because we are contemplating an alteration of a public facility, we have an obligation to evaluate the vicinity, the area of that project. And to the extent that there are barriers to accessibility that deny a protected class under the Civil Rights Act and the Americans with Disabilities Act, access to a place that ambulatory people have, we have an obligation to attempt to remove that. |
| 02:57:35.58 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:57:53.17 | Jonathan | Right, I agree with you. I just, this question has been raised to me. But the other question with that is, we know we're going to have to tear that up at some point anyway, but that section of the pipe. underneath that cement walkway. Thank you. So, We don't know the timeframe, but we have to find whatever it is, $26 million, whatever it is, to do that length of the bridgeway relocation of the sewer pipe at some point. Chances are that's not tomorrow, so the lifecycle of that ramp will be, in your mind, justify the construction for a period of time, and then it will be replaced by whatever we do. to accommodate what replacement of the sewer replacement? Yes. |
| 02:58:35.25 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:58:38.81 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 02:58:38.96 | Ray Withy | I have a question. |
| 02:58:39.84 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 02:58:39.98 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Okay. Well, I think we all have an idea that how we want to do this. And we know that to move this along, |
| 02:58:44.09 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 02:58:45.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:58:52.13 | Ray Withy | definitely feel, or I do anyway, of making that modification change and sending it back. The question is, my question is, does that, if we modified it to that foot and a half, Jonathan, was that, well, it was only from three and a half feet down to a foot, foot and a half, would we still be entitled to floodplain insurance? |
| 02:58:58.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:23.38 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, we would not, or at least I would not advocate for modifying the design in a way that did not comply with our flood damage. |
| 02:59:36.42 | Ray Withy | Yeah, and I think we all agree. So for the sake of time, is there any other things that we have to do? |
| 02:59:44.03 | Jonathan | make motion to send it back to the Planning Commission with the design modifications to lower the, to redo the design, to accommodate the lower level what would meet our code and requirements from a height above water, especially for flood insurance qualifications, and to modify the ramp design to accommodate that. I don't know if it really makes sense to have a one-foot tilted pier. I think you could probably accommodate a single ramp, and probably away from the water is the right location for that ramp up towards the building. to accommodate some modification that limits the impact of anything to the Undine and the Trident, in terms of potential impacts there and work with the property owner there, and direct it to go back as soon as possible with the design modification. |
| 02:59:45.69 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:00:36.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:47.09 | Jonathan | There's probably going to be a lot of minor ones to the Planning Commission as soon as the plan can be re-engineered. |
| 03:00:55.95 | Linda | Second. |
| 03:00:57.12 | Jonathan | Debbie, you have all of that? |
| 03:01:00.65 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, may I comment? |
| 03:01:02.33 | Ray Withy | Oh, wait a minute, we have a second? Yeah. I second. Okay, all in favor? |
| 03:01:02.82 | Linda | and we'll see you next time. Can we get a second? Thank you. I second. Well, Mr. Mayor, I would like to comment. |
| 03:01:08.92 | Ray Withy | Go ahead. |
| 03:01:10.79 | Linda | And I wanted to comment on this because I think it's important to, just for the record, there is consensus on this council and has been from the start in terms of rehabilitating this fishing pier. It's at this point we've sought the funding and the grant applications. This has been a long time coming. So I just want to reassure my friends out there that we certainly support this. And at the same time we respect the Planning Commission's input, they have tremendous expertise and It makes sense to take the time to do this right. I'm very happy that the height is going to be lowered, and I ensure that with the Planning Commission's review and their expertise, we will get an excellent product. So thank you very much. |
| 03:02:00.13 | Ray Withy | Thank you. . |
| 03:02:00.25 | Jonathan | I agree, Matt. Thank you. |
| 03:02:00.92 | Ray Withy | Okay, all right. |
| 03:02:03.03 | Jonathan | Do you have a favor? |
| 03:02:03.61 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:02:04.97 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 03:02:05.02 | Ray Withy | can do that. |
| 03:02:05.60 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 03:02:05.67 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:02:06.00 | Jonathan | Yeah, no, I think you just want to clarify to incorporate the ramp down to the lower level when the plants come back. |
| 03:02:07.18 | Ray Withy | make. |
| 03:02:14.69 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 03:02:14.71 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:02:14.73 | Jonathan | you |
| 03:02:14.96 | Ray Withy | All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you, Jonathan. |
| 03:02:16.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:16.74 | Linda | Bye. |
| 03:02:20.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:02:20.06 | Linda | My fishing pole's ready. |
| 03:02:24.62 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:02:26.73 | Unknown | I'm not even going to continue this. |
| 03:02:29.29 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 03:02:29.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:30.37 | Ray Withy | Yeah, we might. |
| 03:02:30.39 | Unknown | Yeah, we may. |
| 03:02:31.03 | Jonathan | 10 o'clock, 15. Continue with that. You can ask to see if there's anybody here. |
| 03:02:33.10 | Ray Withy | Um, |
| 03:02:36.53 | Ray Withy | Let me ask at this point, is there anybody here on the art commission about that? hearing on can we can we carry that over and remove it tonight is that possible yes please Okay, can we do that? Is that alright? Yeah, it's 10-15. |
| 03:02:57.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:00.97 | Ray Withy | Well, other than that, you know. Thank you. Uh-uh. You waited this long, another meeting isn't going to make any difference. So what a difference a day makes. Okay. All in favor of moving that up to November 5? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. All right. Let's move on now to the award contract for the Marineship Study Consultant, Lilly. |
| 03:03:29.08 | Lily | Thank you. Thank you, council members. I have a PowerPoint, but I'll begin with the purpose of this item tonight, is to discuss the recent recommendation from the Marineship Steering Committee, a consultant to assist with the Marineship work. |
| 03:03:31.24 | Unknown | you |
| 03:03:48.08 | Lily | Briefly, I'll go over the steps that led us to this point. In March of this year, staff gave a Marinship 101 presentation to the council, and this led to the formation of a council subcommittee to work with staff to develop a scope of work. In May, staff presented the results of the work that the staff and the council subcommittee had accomplished. And the council formed a steering committee to work with staff and a consultant. In August, a request for proposals was developed by the subcommittee and staff and distributed to 15 urban economics and land use planning firms. The purpose of the work in the RFP is to evaluate the marineship-specific plan using studies already completed on behalf of the city and any new studies as determined by the steering committee to determine to what degree the marineship-specific plan is adding to the health of the city and to the degree that it's necessary to avoid the negative consequences of doing nothing. Second, to identify areas in the marineship where improvements can be made to the specific to add to the health of the city and to avoid the negative consequences of doing nothing. Third, to develop a community engagement and property owner outreach program. And fourth, to recommend changes to the specific plan as required. On September 9th, staff held a mandatory pre-proposal conference, at which nine firms attended. On September 10th, staff gave an update to the council on the steering committee and the scope of work. On September 23rd, the city receives proposals from three firms for the work. On September 24th, the council appointed the steering committee. Last week on October 14th, the steering committee held its first meeting, and on Thursday last week, the steering committee interviewed the three consultants, and that afternoon selected a recommended consultant. The three proposals the city received were from the following firms on this screen, and they're also identified in the staff report. The steering committee decided to recommend that the council select the planning center DC&E firm, who is partnering with Lisa Wise Consulting and David Parisi on their project here. The steering committee decided unanimously to select the planning center team's proposal for the following reasons. One, the planning center was the most responsive to the RFP and demonstrated a clear understanding of the scope of work. They also had excellent oral communication skills. They had a complete combination of individuals on their team with land use, economics, and infrastructure experience and backgrounds. They demonstrated an understanding of the uniqueness of the marineship area. And lastly, they understood the importance of community engagement in this process. |
| 03:06:59.76 | Lily | In terms of the scope of the work, go over that briefly. The consultant will be meeting in November for a kickoff meeting with the steering committee and the public to finalize the schedule, to review the scope of work, to find the project goals and clarify roles and responsibilities during the task. The consultant will also be developing a community engagement and property owner outreach plan that they'll be reviewing with the steering committee. The consultant also during this time will be thoroughly reviewing reports approved or received by the city regarding the Marinship. In December, the steering The consultant will be conducting a site survey with the steering committee and the public. to better understand the physical conditions in the marineship area. The consultant will also conduct focused interviews with stakeholders. As identified in the RFP, stakeholders will include but not be limited to the steering committee members. former city council members that are familiar with the specific plan, planning commissioners, Marinship property owners, WAM committee members, and city staff. And the discussion of the focused interviews will be on a steering committee agenda to further refine this task and identify other stakeholders. In January, the consultant will facilitate a public workshop to review the specific plan, the existing conditions in the area, and discuss goals and objectives of the study. In February, the consultant will be presenting a preliminary strategic assessment analysis report to the steering committee and the public, which will include a listing of an evaluation of strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats affecting the marinship. The report will include preliminary recommendations for improvement in line with the goals and objectives for the project. In March, we will be giving a progress report at a joint planning commission and city council meeting. which will be the first of three joint City Council Planning Commission meetings during this project. In April, the Steering Committee will review the revised Strategic Assessment Report and recommend any changes as necessary. In May, there'll be another progress report at a joint city council planning commission meeting. In June, there'll be the second community workshop, which will serve to present the revised report to the community and to receive input on the report's findings. The steering committee will also review the final draft report. And then it will go to a final joint city council planning commission meeting to review the final report. |
| 03:10:04.76 | Lily | The approved fiscal year 13-14 budget for this project is $40,000. The contract amount for the planning center is $39,963. |
| 03:10:21.52 | Lily | And with that, staff is recommending the council authorize the city manager to execute a professional services agreement with the planning center in the amount of $39,963. And with that concludes our staff report and we're available for questions. You may have. OK. We also have a representative from the Planning Center here to answer any questions you may have as well. |
| 03:10:39.14 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:10:45.82 | Unknown | Linda. |
| 03:10:46.31 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, thank you, Lilly, for that overview. That was great. So I was wondering, could you go back to the slide outlining the process? So... As you know, the update of reviewing and evaluating the marine ship specific plan is highly You know, it's something that's of a high highly controversial topic because different people have different visions, different ideas. with respect to the future. And so I'm just curious when I look at this process that the city council has been combined with the planning commission not once or twice, but all three times. So am I interpreting this correctly that there is never a standalone city council session to view and vet and review this final report? That's not correct. |
| 03:11:45.02 | Lily | We'll be bringing you monthly reports on the progress of this. Thank you. |
| 03:11:48.82 | Linda | I'm sorry, let me rephrase my question. I'm talking about when you say monthly reports, you're saying monthly reports agendized on city council meetings. |
| 03:11:48.83 | Lily | I'm sorry. |
| 03:11:56.90 | Linda | Okay, great. So can you be specific with regards to the Joint City Council and planning? How are those three meetings going to be unique and different from the other meetings? um, agendized meetings. |
| 03:12:13.67 | Lily | Those are going to be held with the consultant, and they're going to be specifically looking at the report that the consultant would be generating. |
| 03:12:23.51 | Linda | So in other words, what makes these unique is that actually the vote to approve or deny that that report is done in a joint session. |
| 03:12:35.68 | Lily | That's correct. The action would be at a joint session. |
| 03:12:37.95 | Linda | Is there a reason why this was not, that final vote on the final report was not divided in that, you know, A separate hearing for the Planning Commission and then a separate hearing for the City Council, like the housing element. |
| 03:12:53.02 | Lily | That issue has not been discussed. |
| 03:12:58.10 | Linda | Thanks, Lily. |
| 03:13:03.92 | Jonathan | Just to clarify something you just said, I mean, I've got a ton of questions, but I'm not going to ask all of them. stakeholder interviews are Thank you. you mentioned a list of kind of who the potential, and then there's obviously the additional people. Where did that list come from? |
| 03:13:24.99 | Lily | That was generated in the RFP from the council subcommittee and staff. Okay. But that will be presented to the steering committee and the steering committee will have the opportunity to add other individuals as they see fit. |
| 03:13:30.10 | Jonathan | Okay. That will keep you. |
| 03:13:31.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:13:31.95 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 03:13:42.53 | Jonathan | Okay. |
| 03:13:43.65 | Unknown | Ray, do you have any questions? |
| 03:13:48.76 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, if Tom did you? I have a few, but I'll ask one and then I'll defer to the council if they have another question. Okay. So to follow up on Council Member Leon's question about the stakeholders, is there a reason why the city council doesn't weigh in in terms of – |
| 03:13:56.83 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:14:07.49 | Linda | that stakeholder list for the consultant interviews. |
| 03:14:12.10 | Lily | I can't think of a particular reason why the City Council was eliminated. If the Council would like to be included on the list, you can provide that direction to the Steering Committee. I just... |
| 03:14:24.84 | Ray Withy | Go ahead, Theo. |
| 03:14:25.84 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 03:14:26.04 | Thomas Theodores | I made a comment. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is kind of the outline that we've given to the consultant as a roadmap of what we're going to do. This is not set in stone and it will be somewhat developed as we go along. One of the plans is, as Lily mentioned, is to come have this agendized with the council and to bring it to the council as we go along. So it's a little difficult. When you say who exactly are we going to interview at this stage or that stage is not really relevant right now. We got a bid on it. And they said, we can do these types of things and we'll fill them in as we go along. And again, the intention is to keep the council apprised of everything as we go along and have them the ability to have input. |
| 03:15:11.40 | Linda | Thank you, Councilmember Theodores. I have a couple more follow-up questions. |
| 03:15:14.47 | Jonathan | Any other questions? Mine are more for the consultant. |
| 03:15:19.09 | Linda | Oh, okay. Oh, okay. So, I just had a question in reviewing the proposal that was submitted. I didn't see maritime services or artists mentioned. you once. I see that they have identified they anticipate focusing their recommendations on promoting private investment in the Marin ship, including new development and associated upgraded infrastructure. and renovation of historic structures. improved connectivity and wayfinding for drivers, bicycles, and pedestrians, Create a more unified sense of space through compatible design options and roadway improvements. identify sites and projects eligible for funding to support disaster resiliency, combat sea level rise, etc. Is there a reason why, I mean, I couldn't find it. The closest I found was our team has experience reconciling these compatibility challenges while maintaining the historic function of the waterfront. They talk about experience, but they don't specifically say that one of their goals is to promote maritime services or explore that topic. So was that not on the table for them? Or how did that factor in? So I can't speak to... |
| 03:16:46.96 | Lily | how the list was generated by the consultant the consultant might be able to speak to that but similar to councilmember Theodore's comment this the scope of work will be looked at by the steering committee at the next meeting in November and the goals refined by the steering committee in working with the consultant so if that's the direction from the steering committee or the council during the progress reports then that direction would be given to the |
| 03:17:16.78 | Ray Withy | Can we have the consultant come up? |
| 03:17:18.23 | Thomas Theodores | to come up. Before we get out, I'm not sure it's necessary. I'm sorry. That's all right. I think, but we have not awarded the contract yet, so it's something we can't expect the consultant to know what we're doing in detail at this point. They have taken the time to come up with a proposal. We have a roadmap. |
| 03:17:22.52 | Ray Withy | That's right. |
| 03:17:34.67 | Thomas Theodores | But they haven't undertaken the study, but we haven't awarded the contract yet. So it's a bit premature to expect them to know all the nuances of exactly what we're doing. |
| 03:17:44.54 | Jonathan | I agree with you in principle, but at the same time, and I've done consulting at some points in my life, you better understand what you're doing before you start, or else you're going to get back something that you didn't really anticipate at the end. So some of the phrasing in the proposal, and no criticism because it's hard for an outside party to kind of weigh in and tea leaf read what especially a political body would like as a consensus, but some of the terminology in the proposal is somewhat disturbing to me. And so if that's the consultant that got it the most, I'd hate to have seen the proposals from the other people. But I think that's a good question. |
| 03:17:44.79 | Thomas Theodores | I think. |
| 03:18:28.08 | Jonathan | That being said, it's a tough thing to do any sort of RFP response and not be way off base if you don't know already a lot about what's on the table. You really, I mean, you get what you pay for, and no criticism to this firm. They do a good job with what they do, but you have to give them a very clear mandate of what you want, because this laundry list is not $40,000 worth of stuff. This laundry list of stuff is hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stuff, so you're going to get $40,000 worth of production value out of this. So my point is it may be worthwhile to make sure we, before it even goes to the committee, that the council has some clear idea of what |
| 03:18:48.17 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:19:11.78 | Jonathan | at a minimum. You know, forget the... above the bar, we're trying to achieve, and maybe give clarity to the consultant at the same time that Um, hey, these things that you've put forward in your proposal are really not kind of spot on, that maybe there's some disagreement about whether the council's behind this all the way. I don't view one example, I don't view promoting private investment as any goal of this whatsoever. I don't think that's the role of government, period, but I definitely don't think that's the role of Sausalito in the Marinian, right? As far as the infrastructure, that's probably something we can all agree on. We got to do something about the infrastructure, but as far as an economic development tool, I don't know if this is what you should be spending your money on, first of all, but also if you're going to get any value out of it. So because there's a lot in here. If you carve it down, there's no way to achieve it other than kind of passing recommendations, right? So but that's more questions for consultants. I had another question. But so I really, I'm really, my experience with consulting and consultants is just that make sure you agree up front, and here's the minimum, and then if you get beyond that, great. |
| 03:20:09.34 | Vicki Nichols | I had another question. |
| 03:20:23.54 | Linda | So what I'm hearing is that I'm hearing that there is receptiveness on the council to hear, you know, Council thoughts with respect to shaping and you know, the feedback we give to the consultant. The other comment I had was I noticed they mentioned The Wham Study... some of the things from the Imagine Sausalito Economic Development Study and some other studies that I did not actually vote for. But I didn't see the traffic initiative mentioned, which is something that, you know, I think they should factor in. I don't know if this is the venue, but it did you know, raise a flag for me that, because that was something that was passed by the people of Sausalito. Regarding the marineship. Sorry, go ahead. Thank you. |
| 03:21:11.92 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 03:21:12.00 | Linda | So, |
| 03:21:12.07 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 03:21:12.08 | Linda | I have been. |
| 03:21:12.54 | Lily | and |
| 03:21:13.03 | Linda | the traffic initiative. So I guess my comfort level would have been raised, I guess, if they'd mentioned it in some context, you know, here in their study. But I think those are all my questions. |
| 03:21:14.47 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 03:21:14.60 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:21:31.31 | Linda | Well, I guess I have one more question. I noticed that in looking at the background of the staff, they're highly expert. They have a lot of, you know, great skills. It seems like a lot of their focus have been in large cities like Livermore, Vallejo, County of Los Angeles, West Oakland, Mountain View. Um, and they worked on the Marin. Marinwood Village Master Plan, which I believe was extremely controversial if I'm and not mistaken, So I'm just curious, has there been, the only thing I could find which was small town was one had worked on something for the city of Saratoga, which I would say is a small town. Um, Have they also worked in more of a small town size of like Sausalito and the waterfront? Is it just these large cities they've worked in? Thank you. |
| 03:22:34.62 | Lily | So with that, I'm going to actually introduce Rosie Dudley with the Planning Center to answer |
| 03:22:41.12 | Linda | Okay, thanks. I see this Bridgeway multimodal project that they worked on for us, for Sausalito, but I'm thinking beyond Sausalito. Hi. |
| 03:22:49.56 | Rosie Dudley | Hi, I'm Rosie Dudley, Fund Planning Center, DC&E. Thanks so much. And I'm appreciative of the conversation back and forth. Just to reiterate, the proposal is not set in stone. We hope to hear from the steering committee at our first meeting all the details about who we should meet with stakeholder interviews and what topics are really the focus of this effort and which topics are less critical. So I appreciate the dialogue that I've heard tonight. In response to the question about smaller city focus, I represent the lead firm, the planning center. The principal in charge is Charlie Knox, and he was the former planning director at the city of Venetia for the last, I'm not certain, five years, seven years, something like that. So his background is very much based in smaller coastal city in the region. |
| 03:22:51.24 | Linda | Hi. |
| 03:23:52.67 | Jonathan | pleasant, but I just wanted to make sure that you kind of get where I'm coming from. So there's a lot of language in here that's very economic development related. And I don't know, I did read the RFP that went out, and you could walk away from that RFP with kind of somewhat of a, if you read it a certain way, kind of that's the main focus of the RFP. And having a consultant who's, I forget the one, Lisa Wise Consulting, that's basically all she does, right? having that component of your team, it kind of led me into like, okay, this is worrisome because I really don't view that role of hers as the main role of this project. So where gleaned out a few kind of things that were highlighted that kind of create jobs, unify the area, improve circulation for bikes and peds by the water. I mean these are things that are like hot button, like boom buttons in Sausalito. That if somebody dives into that, you've destroyed $40,000 worth of money for doing nothing, basically. And then we get into the zoning. So we evaluate the marinship specific to determine how it has not supported economic health. I mean, this is like, you know, some of the language in here is like, man, it already has a predetermined outcome, right? So that's worrisome to me that that's kind of where, like I said, if this is the good proposal and the other ones were not so good, I'm worried what those said. But, you know, and the uncertainty due to the lack of clarity and zoning consistency has led to deterioration of the rent-s I mean, it's like it is a predetermined outcome here. So, or that the barriers to investment, perceiving lack of economic vitality have, you know, so it's a little worrisome to me, okay? That being said, I know you have no dog in the fight here, so you're not, your firm isn't saying, well, you tell us what you want us to focus on, and we'll focus on that. But, I hear what the committee is trying to do is doing nothing is not a good option. But then again, swinging the pendulum over to the primary focus is economic development, and that's where the bulk of the money will be spent. is also not, in my mind, the alternative here. Right. |
| 03:26:11.25 | Rosie Dudley | Right. |
| 03:26:11.92 | Jonathan | Mike, because, yes, sure. |
| 03:26:11.94 | Rosie Dudley | No. Just to be clear, Lisa Weiss Consulting is a sub to us, so they're not taking the bulk of the work. Our work will primarily focus on the community outreach, getting people's opinions about what should be done. The stakeholder process will be critical. My focus as a project manager will be facilitating that whole process, and then I have the background of urban design, which will complement the transportation work that we have Parisi to help us with, the circulation, the wayfinding, the connections to the various resources in Marinship. But the economic aspect shouldn't be considered our prime focus. And I'm sorry that that's the way that the proposal is coming across, because that's not how we're approaching it as a team. It's a three-legged focus on the whole community outreach as the main piece. Some very small portion of it on transportation and a very small portion of it on economics. |
| 03:27:09.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:27:09.68 | Jonathan | Right. |
| 03:27:14.42 | Jonathan | Thank you. Well, because my understanding, and I may be wrong, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that the goal of this exercise was to take, here's the Marinship Specific Plan as it currently stands, and analyze and perform some analysis of what the factors are inside of that. But the way this is phrased is, well, I'm going to evaluate the marinship-specific plan and determine how it hasn't supported the economic health of the town. So is this exercise also a review of the plan itself, or is it a review of, I really don't understand what the outcome is, what the deliverable is going to be out of this particular exercise. |
| 03:28:00.44 | Rosie Dudley | Right, well, Lily might be able to respond more in terms of what the city is hoping for the outcome, but our interpretation is that we assess the various reports that have been done to date, including the specific plan, and figure out how the city wants to move forward with it and what way to make that successful with the input of everybody in the city that wants to weigh in, all the stakeholders included. |
| 03:28:26.30 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:28:26.60 | Rosie Dudley | Thank you. |
| 03:28:27.19 | Ray Withy | I think it might be helpful if, Lily, you could put up the actual goals of this again and remember that this was the central part of the RFP to which the consultants were asked to respond. So there's the purpose. That was the central part of the RFP. and also remember that from day one it has been stated that this whole analysis is a, we keep using the analogy of a three-legged stool. I don't find three-legged stools very comfortable, but three legs, three aspects of this nonetheless. |
| 03:28:27.21 | Unknown | Oh, yeah. |
| 03:28:27.49 | Rosie Dudley | Thank you. |
| 03:29:12.36 | Unknown | Better than two. |
| 03:29:13.26 | Ray Withy | Lanyard, and not one, any one with, yeah, absolutely. Not one with any, priority over the other. Infrastructure. land use, Economics. And, from my perspective, the steering committee unanimously picked. this consulting group to recommend because it was the most balanced in terms of having those three things, as opposed to others which were tilted won very much more into economics. And so, at least in terms of presentation to the steering committee, it was that balance that came across the most. |
| 03:29:59.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:30:02.82 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:30:02.87 | Linda | Um. |
| 03:30:03.21 | Ray Withy | And so, anyway, those are the goals that |
| 03:30:07.46 | Linda | Mr. Mayor, are we done with comment? Perhaps we should ask the public, because we're kind of going into comment. I have comments to make, so I'm wondering. I don't want to cross over. |
| 03:30:30.29 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:30:30.31 | Unknown | I'll just say I'll cut the comment. |
| 03:30:31.86 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:30:32.42 | Linda | Okay. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Well, I think Council will recall that I did not support this. Here is my concern. My concern is that some of the recommendations of some of the reports that were generated, that are out there, were kind of participated or driven by the same people, the same, I would say, special interests. And so as a result, if I'm a consultant and I don't know the history of the marine ship and the economic diversity of Sausalito where we have our tourists in the middle, you know, downtown, but then we have our manufacturing maritime base and our artists in the marine ship and that maritime, you know, not only the historic aspects, but also The fact that we have a working waterfront, it's not a fisherman's war. You know, we don't want the fishermen's warfization, as we say, of the merit of the marinship. We don't want tourists creep into the marinship. That economic diversity has historically kept Sauce Little very healthy. And so I could see where if I was a consultant, you know, from the outside getting just these reports, that I would, I mean, one of those reports I remember mentioned an amphitheater, you know, a concert amphitheater in the middle, you know, in the, I remember this. You know, and you read some of these, you know, and even some of the people who were on the, you know, some of those groups disagreed with parts of the report. So I guess, I guess I, I, I would like to provide, I welcome the feedback that we can shape this, we can provide input and you'll listen. will you know, perhaps get something that is a bit more amenable to I think with the community, the community in Saucyutu I think would like to see, which is they treasure the maritime services and the working waterfront, not just because of the history, but because it's economically been very viable. I mean, if you look at the numbers there, they're doing quite well. They did very well during the economic downturn when other parts were suffering. So, you know, so I guess one of the things I would request would be that we ask, you know, the consultant to somehow incorporate, you know, the maritime services as well as the artist's presence in the marine ship. and that we asked them to include the traffic initiative because the traffic initiative absolutely |
| 03:33:38.70 | Linda | frames what you can do in terms of economic growth. Because people at Sausalito, they're getting traffic jams already in the north part of town, and they don't want to add more traffic jams with high density growth, office space growth in the Marinship. |
| 03:33:57.69 | Ray Withy | Well, except for the highway being backed up. i really don't see that much traffic at the north end of town that i would consider Okay, anyway. Are we on comment? Yeah, we are on comment. |
| 03:34:07.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:34:07.68 | Unknown | you |
| 03:34:07.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:34:07.76 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:34:07.86 | Unknown | WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO |
| 03:34:07.95 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 03:34:08.07 | Unknown | Amen. Thank you. |
| 03:34:11.51 | Ray Withy | Oh. and you get a month. |
| 03:34:13.31 | Thomas Theodores | Well, I appreciate the questions and the comments, and that's why we need to bring this constantly back to the council to make sure that everyone's comfortable with it. And you raise legitimate concerns. I just, as I said before, when we started out this process, and again, remember the consultants only really, taken time to do the proposal. And what we did was, We had the RFP, as you see, and we gave them these formation documents and there's no question Council members have pointed out that there are certain things in these documents that probably are not political. They're political non-starters. We don't want them spending time. That's the job of the steering committee going forward. And we didn't take the time early on to go and redact certain things from the WAM report. And certainly the consultant couldn't know that. It really is the job, and we appreciate you bringing it up, that as we go forward with this, we certainly want to make sure that we direct the consultant because it is a small amount of money, and we certainly don't want them to spend any time on certain issues that are just going nowhere. So that's the job of the steering committee. I do want to reiterate what Councilmember Withy said, the steering committee looked at everything and they spent time talking to them as opposed to on top of the writing and really felt comfortable 5-0 this is the right consultant as well as Ray and I. So, and I think this is one of the things, I think these are all good questions and we go back with it and each time we come forward as we go along the path, we're gonna need to do this and we appreciate you bringing these up to us. And that is something, would you agree, that we will need to do about directing the consultant in a more disciplined fashion as we go along. |
| 03:35:52.50 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:35:52.99 | Jonathan | Thank you. Yeah, so I would just, if we could flip back to the process slide, the timeframe thingamajigging. |
| 03:35:54.26 | Thomas Theodores | you |
| 03:35:54.31 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:35:54.34 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 03:35:54.48 | Ray Withy | So, |
| 03:36:03.95 | Jonathan | So personally, I've never been a huge fan of joint city council planning commission hearings. When I was on the planning commission or even on the city council, it quashed a lot of discussion for the first initial public safety building proposal many years back and it from on either body. And personally, my point of view about the planning commission's role is just review of zoning changes. It shouldn't be a long policy shaping or... So if there are proposed zoning changes, it should go through the Planning Commission process, but that's not necessarily part of this. That's just my own personal point of view. It creates a weird dynamic. where you're looking at one body's looking at the other body waiting for the, and this planning commission's probably not as worried about speaking their mind as some, but I would, sorry Vicki, but I would, you know, unless we're planning to have something to send to the planning Commission for zoning changes, I would just, unless they, I would include them into your stakeholders if you want to interview them. Now, as far as the stakeholder thing goes, I gotta say, one of the things that really I used to hate about prior councils many years ago, and I'll say hate, it's a bad word, is they had a list of what they called |
| 03:36:57.34 | Unknown | But the... |
| 03:37:23.27 | Jonathan | It wasn't pre- Thought leaders, oh my God, shoot me in the head. And that is like a kiss of death basically saying, I'll talk to people I know already and who I think are valuable, and I'll go with that. And if you also want a very comical thing, go back in the city archives. And there is a recorded conversation. We're interviewing the property holders in the Marinship. |
| 03:37:33.59 | Fred Hilliard | Welcome. |
| 03:37:34.14 | Unknown | I'm going to go. |
| 03:37:42.72 | Jonathan | and some of the other major, and it is comical in their demands of what they think the city should do. So I encourage you to read that before you even bother to interview some of these guys, because it is bizarre in terms of their aspects of what the city should do. And it's on the record, and so I dug it up before one of my election campaigns, and it's crazy town. But go ahead and interview them, because you're going to get some interesting, fun times. But I would stay away from the thought leader concept. It was just, to me, it's the kiss of death of how government gets away from transparency or whatever. How you do that, I don't know. But I would interview as many people who want to be interviewed. it may run up your budget a little bit, but at least you can say you didn't narrow it down to a small case. But that's just my comments on process. I think for me, my personal point of view is I, I have these concerns. You know I have these concerns. I trust you guys are trying to do the right thing. I know you've got no preconceived agenda, either one of you. And I don't know in terms of the other folks, they represent different interests who are the appointed people. So I'm saying, hey, this is great. You're going to come back and give us up to date. So I'm just giving you my feedback up front. So I'm not saying... I told you so. No, no. I'm not saying I told you so. I'm Saying, hey, these are my concerns just based off the written proposal from the consultant, right? So, you know, because... I told you that five years ago. So that's...but I appreciate your moving forward and, you know, I would maybe adjust a little bit of what you're doing here, but I like the fact you're going to come back frequently. That's just my suggestion. All right. Recommended motion. I'm sorry. Go ahead. |
| 03:38:56.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:38:56.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:38:56.16 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:39:07.28 | Unknown | but I've |
| 03:39:07.88 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:39:15.09 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 03:39:15.82 | Ray Withy | THE CITY IS A LITTLE BIT. |
| 03:39:16.10 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I'm sorry. Thank you. Yeah, I just, I'm not gonna use my three minutes. I just want to... emphasized that we spent a fair amount of time interviewing and finding, I think, a fairly balanced or very balanced steering committee. Linda, you should have absolutely no concerns that maritime services will not be a high agenda topic with Tony Badger on the committee, because this is his passion, and he made that very clear in the meetings we've already had. I think we've got a fairly diversified but pretty conservative group. You know, we don't have a group of people that are off wanting to turn the marineship into, you know, Pier 39. I mean, that's just like the furthest from anybody's mind. So I think that's an important thing to remember, that put some trust in the steering committee. They're a good, conservative, thoughtful group. And I think the process is going to unfold. And let's also remember that You know, realistically, What we're going to end up with is a strategic assessment analysis report. We're not coming up with a new marine ship-specific plan. You know, this is, if we are going to move forward to eventually doing something down there, this is like phase one. And we've got to be careful of the budget as well. So I think we need to bear all that in mind. |
| 03:40:50.18 | Jonathan | So I Right, and if I may, if I agree with you, and I think after your kickoff meeting, like the best thing to do would be to come back and say, this is the scope, you know, so these guys know what the scope is, we know what you think the scope is, and you can say, well, I told you what the scope was, so you didn't, you know, you voted 3, 2, 4, 1, whatever it is about the scope, you know, so that way there can't be any, you know, I told you so. |
| 03:41:13.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:13.79 | Ray Withy | Whatever it is. Yes. So I would move to authorize the city manager to execute the professional services agreement with the planning center. DC in the amount of $39,963 and to negotiate a not to exceed amount of $40,000. |
| 03:41:30.02 | Thomas Theodores | All right. |
| 03:41:30.26 | Unknown | of the |
| 03:41:35.89 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 03:41:35.91 | Lou Warren | Yeah. |
| 03:41:36.03 | Linda | Thank you. Ms. Mayor, I just want to comment that I appreciate what I've heard, you know, with respect to the spirit of what we're looking at. The challenges that I'm working against six years of having, you know, been elected on the wave of, you know, stopping some of the recommendations that Imagine Sausalito was putting forth, which included some of the elements of the WAM report. And I've been here and heard promises and, you know, not promises, but just, you know, It's okay, we're going to go in this direction. And it's not necessarily from the council, but it's what happens after the council sessions where folks run with things in different directions. So that's where my trepidation and my caution is coming from. If this document reflected what some of the issues and concerns that I'd raised, I would, you know, consider voting for that, but it doesn't. And so that is why I can't support it as is, as what I'm looking at tonight. |
| 03:42:48.32 | Ray Withy | OK. We have a second. Make a roll call, please. |
| 03:42:53.67 | Unknown | Wait, sir, point of order just so in terms of the process, did any of the things I said make any sense? |
| 03:42:58.65 | Jonathan | make any sense to you two guys in terms of, or all five of us here, but you two as committee members in terms of maybe playing with the process and coming back after your kickoff meeting with the consultant and having, here's what we talked with the consultant, we heard what you guys had to say, here's step number two. Does that make any sense? |
| 03:43:02.90 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:43:18.11 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 03:43:18.12 | Thomas Theodores | Yes, it does, but just to be specific, one thing is we come with scope of the project and of course this council gets to review it. Now you had some specific things like taking off the Planning Commission. Do you want that included? |
| 03:43:29.55 | Jonathan | Right. Bye. If you would discuss that as part of your scope, because that's how many meetings these guys have to show up to determine where the money goes, too, because that's part of how they scope out these projects. So I've got to do three public meetings. It's going to cost you an extra amount of time. So that's just something I would encourage you to talk about again at the committee level. |
| 03:43:46.49 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:43:50.76 | Ray Withy | I think part of the genesis from that is that we were hearing planning commission, planning commission, needs to be involved, needs to be involved, needs to be involved. There's a limited budget and a limited number of meetings, as you've just said. |
| 03:44:02.15 | Jonathan | as you've just said. Well, that's up to you. I mean, that's up to us, right? It says how you view what the Planning Commission's role is in policy making. |
| 03:44:05.10 | Ray Withy | Right? |
| 03:44:09.86 | Ray Withy | So I think in, so what I would, I mean I think the motion can stand as is, but I think the I think you'd agree with that, right? I mean, I think it's very clear from this discussion that the steering committee needs to get its arms around scope and process. and feedback to Council for that. |
| 03:44:32.19 | Jonathan | I think you're not already thinking about that, but I think there's always room for violence. |
| 03:44:33.49 | Ray Withy | about that, but I think there's always room for advice. Debbie? Does that clarify? |
| 03:44:44.45 | Linda | I know. |
| 03:44:45.81 | Debbie | Council member Theodorus? |
| 03:44:47.46 | Linda | Yes. |
| 03:44:47.68 | Debbie | Thank you. Councilmember Whitty? |
| 03:44:49.96 | Linda | Yes. |
| 03:44:52.15 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Leone. |
| 03:44:53.50 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:44:55.49 | Debbie | Yeah. |
| 03:44:56.56 | Ray Withy | Yes. Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:44:59.66 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 03:45:00.66 | Ray Withy | Moving on, next is the Council discussion options for scheduling the November 5th meeting. |
| 03:45:12.01 | Unknown | in the basement. |
| 03:45:15.59 | Ray Withy | In the boys' room. |
| 03:45:21.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:45:23.94 | Debbie | Um. |
| 03:45:24.03 | Jim Irving | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:45:24.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:45:24.35 | Jim Irving | What is your recommendation? |
| 03:45:25.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:45:25.44 | Debbie | My recommendation, whatever you want to do. No, let me, after I did the list of options, you have three options before you, I think it was. Councilmember Withy reminded us that he is not available after the 5th of November. for thought. So putting that back into it. |
| 03:45:49.93 | Unknown | putting that back into it. Male Speaker 2, I would echo, and then the following week, the 12th, it doesn't work for me in my current schedule. So if there's another alternative, |
| 03:45:58.59 | Jonathan | So if there's another alternative, whether it's the fifth and relocated or just have it on a different day, the fourth or the following week before? |
| 03:46:05.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:46:09.15 | Debbie | There was one more option I was working on, but I did not get an answer back before 5 o'clock today, and that was to simply delay the start of the meeting. |
| 03:46:13.37 | Jonathan | Well, |
| 03:46:13.71 | Chris Huntala | Thank you. |
| 03:46:17.84 | Debbie | until Day 15. |
| 03:46:20.64 | Chris Huntala | So... |
| 03:46:21.60 | Debbie | on Tuesday night, but we can relocate to the fire department on the 5th. |
| 03:46:27.83 | Ray Withy | What was staff's concern about the relocation to the fire department? |
| 03:46:33.64 | Adam Politzer | The staff actually didn't have any concern. it was important to try to create as many options and And forgetting that Councilmember Withey was out of the country during those dates, which we all knew, we started looking at other dates. But, you know, the I think staff was comfortable and that's why we We're moving that direction. to move to the fire station. We've had other public meetings there. We don't have a huge crowd. often. And so we would look at the agenda and if we felt we would have our normal sized crowd, We didn't think it would be a problem We've asked the media center to come and record that meeting. It won't be live that moment. but it will be placed on our computer at a time Uh, after, sometime after, and then obviously reran on their cable channel so folks could watch it on TV as well as they rebroadcast our viewing. So we think that we would still capture the item so that people could see it either on Um, and we think that that location accommodates the staff's needs. It's no different than if we had it down in the Edgewater Room, which we've had council meetings down in the Edgewater Room in the past. It's not perfect, the public still can participate, be heard. Council can hear the staff reports. PowerPoint presentations as necessary and make decisions. So I would, knowing that we have challenges based on Councilmember Withey's shall travel and Vice Mayor Leon's comments about his schedule. we would recommend that you hold it on the 5th at the community room at the EOC. |
| 03:48:27.48 | Jonathan | having a council meeting on Election Day, It's obviously not a holiday for city employees, I would imagine, Election Day. But is that kind of like a du rigour, you don't do that kind of thing? |
| 03:48:46.78 | Adam Politzer | Traditionally, yes. I mean, if we would have thought about this because it's not an election for our, you know, there's a lot of things. You know, we don't have any council members running on this election. We don't have any real Sausalito specific items on this election show. For us it really was off the radar and so if we would have had this on the radar, when we set the schedule, we would have moved it then. You're not available. |
| 03:49:21.04 | Ray Withy | Well, no, I'm available Monday, but we've already scheduled the Marineship Task Force that evening. It's the only one we could find, you know. |
| 03:49:30.03 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. Bob. |
| 03:49:31.48 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:49:32.33 | Adam Politzer | I think in our evaluation we thought that folks are regularly used to coming to Tuesday night meetings. The location wasn't going to be as effective impactful to them. We've already understood from the registered voters that they're already predicting a very low turnout. because of what's on the what's on the ballot. And as the mayor just stated, we also know that a large portion of Sausalito votes by absentee so We really don't think it's going to have a direct effect on our residents, but if the Council felt differently, The other option is also to council the meeting and just continue to the next regular meeting and have the night off. Um, |
| 03:50:20.08 | Linda | And I'm Mr. Mayor. I've got a question. So you said that it would be recorded and would it be posted as an MP4 or MP3? In other words, could people download it on the computer? Just the same way that it is today. Okay. So there wouldn't be any. |
| 03:50:35.49 | Unknown | I'm just a little bit. |
| 03:50:35.78 | Adam Politzer | in the same way that it is today. |
| 03:50:36.97 | Unknown | Okay, so there wouldn't be any. |
| 03:50:39.22 | Linda | Yeah. |
| 03:50:39.30 | Crystal Gift | Yeah. |
| 03:50:41.95 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:50:42.10 | Linda | Well, currently, yeah, you can also download currently the files that we have. |
| 03:50:42.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:50:56.33 | Thomas Theodores | But we are having the Media Center do it, which should have better technology than we do, so you should theoretically be able to do almost anything. |
| 03:51:04.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:51:06.84 | Linda | All right. Okay. |
| 03:51:08.51 | Ray Withy | So... |
| 03:51:08.51 | Jonathan | I'll be there with my iPhone and it'll compete head on. No, I'm kidding. |
| 03:51:09.07 | Linda | Here is my iPhone. |
| 03:51:13.12 | Ray Withy | Use the new ear. What's it? Apple ear. |
| 03:51:13.19 | Jonathan | use. |
| 03:51:18.30 | Unknown | Okay, so go ahead, who's got the motion? |
| 03:51:19.58 | Ray Withy | Okay. Motion. I'll make a motion that we have the meeting at the fire station on November 5th. |
| 03:51:32.12 | Unknown | Second. |
| 03:51:33.00 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:51:33.34 | Ray Withy | Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, you have direction on that? Okay, city manager report. |
| 03:51:46.18 | Adam Politzer | Just really one item that I'm going to share, and then I'd like to actually read a letter that I received that I thought was worth reading tonight. Reminder, MCC MC tomorrow night at Jason's in Greenbrae, San Anselmo is the host. but you may recall that the Leadership of MCCMC about two years ago was trying to look for a centralized location. Not everybody has taken advantage of that, but Tenantselmo has. So we'll be at Jason's tomorrow night. |
| 03:52:19.32 | Bob Freeman | Where is the church? |
| 03:52:19.90 | Adam Politzer | in the office complex right off of the freeway near the Marin Rowing Center. The rowing thing. |
| 03:52:19.91 | Bob Freeman | Thank you. |
| 03:52:23.88 | Unknown | you |
| 03:52:23.96 | Unknown | Rowing center. The rowing thing. Here the boat house. |
| 03:52:28.11 | Adam Politzer | I've never gone on. And Assemblymember Mark Levine is the speaker. |
| 03:52:35.33 | Unknown | speaker. |
| 03:52:37.28 | Ray Withy | Mr. President. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:52:38.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:52:38.44 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:52:38.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:52:39.98 | Adam Politzer | So in Dorothy Gibson's true fashion, Her handwritten letters arrived on my desk on October 16th. that she personally dropped off. And it says, to Saucyuta City Manager Adam Pulitzer, from Dorothy Gibson. Last Saturday, which would have been the 12, on my daily walk to and through places north I was drawn to music coming from Dunphy Park. Then the band and the people gathering. talking, singing, children were playing catch me and rolling in the sand pile. all in casual dress, mostly black faces. What's going on? I mingled around and I inquired, what's going on? I learned that was Zydeco by the bay. Cajun Creo Music sponsored by the performing stars of of Marin. a Marin City nonprofit organization. Then I spied the food booth. the forever hot dogs. but also a more prominent stove and counter with corn pond and spicy macaroni and cheese, all made in this spot. I was handed samples, large ones, delicious. What a delightful way to share life. but an... |
| 03:54:14.04 | Adam Politzer | What a perfect way to enhance our relationship with our neighbors, Marin City. May we have more. And I just thought that was really important because we had an event and for the most part Probably 99% from what I heard It was a really unique and great event, special event, something different than what we do. Actually, Cook-off, Fourth of July, Kalman Street Fair, and jazz. at Zydeco by the bay, and to do it with our neighbors was outstanding. I received a letter from the organizing group. Similar to what we heard tonight, from Betsy, what a delight it was to work with Aaron and Mike Langford, how helpful they were and how they went overboard. We had the group go through the special event permit just like any other outside organization would do to get approval. Not necessarily outside the city. the little pancake breakfasts go through the special ed permit. So anything that's not city-ridden, ran. And they complied with everything. We did get a handful of noise complaints, but for the most part, very, very positive event. And I'd like to echo what Dorothy says here. We as a council have done numerous things to reach over to Marin City and vice versa to support their efforts. Park and Rec and the police department lead those efforts. But again, I just wanted to bring that forward and share. what I thought was a very welcome letter. It made my day when I received it. You don't get a lot of these and when you do I thought it was important to read it into the record. So thank you for indulging me and happy to answer any questions you have of other business in the city. |
| 03:55:58.54 | Ray Withy | Any questions? Questions from the public? Okay, thank you, Adam. All right, future agenda items. |
| 03:56:08.26 | Unknown | No, I'm just kidding. |
| 03:56:09.88 | Ray Withy | We hope. |
| 03:56:09.97 | Unknown | . |
| 03:56:14.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:14.37 | Linda | Mr. Mayor? Yes? I had two. One was actually I raised these both last time so but I didn't see them on the future agenda item list yet. One is the tour bus traffic. |
| 03:56:14.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:14.41 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:56:15.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:15.62 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:56:29.44 | Linda | You know, we talked about having them one way, and yet they're still coming, and I've heard from lots of residents about that. The other is the beautification of Sausalito. I think beautification of, this was the Shelby Van Meter initiative. She had started it, and I know she's working with city staff, but I guess I'm raising it as a future agenda item so that, you know, it's top of mind so we know when it will be coming to the council. |
| 03:56:59.70 | Ray Withy | My only other comment for you on the buses is that We are taking it into heavy consideration of the next round of planning of how we handle all the traffic coming in. I think you will see now quite a bit of it dropping off very, very quickly. The amount of tourism we noticed in the last couple of days how it's starting to drop off. So we're watching it to see if it does continue on a high volume. And the other thing to keep in mind also is that we get a lot of people that when you see those cruise ships into the city, we estimate almost that when a cruise ship comes in with 4,000 people, 900 of those people come over to Sausalito. To my knowledge, for the rest of the season, there's going to be three more cruise ships and that's it for the season. So we are aware of it and we will be going forward with our plans on how to handle everything in the coming Thank you. |
| 03:58:08.38 | Jonathan | Can I suggest, because I happened to read in the, I think it was in the Chronicle, that Alamo Square were the painted ladies. Yeah, the enclosure. That they were having problems with these. And so we might want to just contact the city of San Francisco and say, hey, they had a bunch of public hearings and see what they're doing. |
| 03:58:08.55 | Unknown | you know. |
| 03:58:08.62 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 03:58:08.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:58:08.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:58:08.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:58:09.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:58:09.12 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:58:09.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:58:09.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:58:15.82 | Ray Withy | that they were having |
| 03:58:17.56 | Linda | Thank you. |
| 03:58:17.68 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 03:58:23.89 | Linda | to see what they're doing. Yeah, also San Francisco did the same with Seacliff, like I mentioned last time. And I all do respect, Mr. Mayor, I don't think it's something we can wait to see if the tourism dies off. I think this is a problem that's going to get worse. So I... |
| 03:58:38.52 | Ray Withy | So I... |
| 03:58:42.00 | Linda | I'm just saying that I think that this is, we need to take action on this. |
| 03:58:48.14 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:58:48.19 | Thomas Theodores | That's all. And what do you recommend? |
| 03:58:50.57 | Linda | Well, what we discussed last time, which was that they enter from the South Street, but they don't exit that way. |
| 03:59:01.39 | Ray Withy | we do have a problem because it's |
| 03:59:03.09 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, I think there's just a simple miscommunication, I think what you're saying is that as we go into October, November, December, there's going to be a natural drop off. I don't think you're implying that come next April and May, we're not going to have the buses all show back up again. what Councilmember Pfeiffer is suggesting, which we talked about at the last meeting, is let the police department work with the bus companies and then bring forward some new rules for the council's consideration in a future meeting. So when we get to next we may have had this or reduced the impact on social media. |
| 03:59:39.50 | Linda | Actually, I want to clarify with the city manager and the mayor. I am not suggesting we approach this with collaborating with the bus businesses. I mean, we've tried that with the bicycles, too, and we have mixed opinions up here in terms of how well that's worked out. WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS we heard loud and clear from residents was that they want to see action from this council with respect to ordinance based on what San Francisco City of San Francisco did with respect to ensuring that we restrict tour bus traffic. And so that maybe they come in on South Street, but they don't go out. It's a hazard, a safety hazard. We've got, it's a narrow two-way curvy road. |
| 04:00:29.66 | Jonathan | our agenda. I'm just clarifying. |
| 04:00:30.50 | Linda | I'm just clarifying. Thank you. Just clarifying. |
| 04:00:34.30 | Thomas Theodores | I mean, as far as a future agenda item, I would support, I would like to see what the options are relating to the buses. We don't, I'd like to see if we could have a presentation by staff of what can be done, what can't be done, and then we can go from there. |
| 04:00:47.56 | Linda | I second that. |
| 04:00:51.48 | Ray Withy | Okay, next, council member, committee reports. |
| 04:00:55.63 | Jonathan | Tell him what happened, man. With the MTA. Oh, with the MTA. Oh, see, now I have to. |
| 04:01:02.97 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.00 | Jonathan | I'm going to go. |
| 04:01:03.02 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.09 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 04:01:03.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.39 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.44 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.49 | Thomas Theodores | Well, basically, whatever. I know. |
| 04:01:03.63 | Unknown | you |
| 04:01:03.66 | Jonathan | Bye. |
| 04:01:03.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.88 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:03.93 | Jonathan | Basically, |
| 04:01:04.50 | Unknown | What happened? I know. |
| 04:01:06.23 | Unknown | I should say. |
| 04:01:06.70 | Unknown | No, I'm not joking. Well, we did that. |
| 04:01:07.66 | Thomas Theodores | Well, we did. I thought I reported, no, I guess it had been just before. Sorry, wake up over here. Basically, we took a vote and essentially, it's been pushed over. What they've done is they've extended the contract of the media center. |
| 04:01:13.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:13.11 | Unknown | it. |
| 04:01:13.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:13.45 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:01:24.16 | Thomas Theodores | Until April. And they've directed the negotiating team to go back and negotiate more with them. Essentially what happened was, the vote was there were actually I think a total of Um, There were seven cities that actually supported giving in, but in the end, San Rafael couldn't, wouldn't support it. They really punted it and said they want six more months to the mid-year budget cycling. I'm sure the election made a big difference in what they were doing and certain personalities there. I think the direction was that the MTA was not for sure taking the position that they were going to give them the money the direction was to have a negotiation. which is all good news. Not as good news for me was that I would like to hear some direction about exactly what the path would be, looking for possibly using PEG fees and not having anything. I think the general approach is there's a certain number. We're going to get that number down, but we're still going to give them some money. So I'm working with them, and we'll see how that goes. I think So the answer was there was nothing definitive, nothing was given at this time. We were successful, by the way, in getting Sausalito included. And there was essentially around $100,000 in peg fees that were going to be directed to three cities that were not yet online. And we made the case that this should really go to everyone because we have not been reimbursed for any of our efforts. The committee agreed that we would be included in that pool that was given to them. And so now the job is to work with both the MTA and the media center in terms of allocation of that money. |
| 04:02:52.56 | Unknown | And, |
| 04:03:12.16 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 04:03:12.30 | Adam Politzer | Anything to add to that, Adam? Did I miss something? Adam Larkin- No, you covered it well. The only thing that I would add is that our next meeting, in the end of November, not on the 5th. There'll be a camera at the back of the wall so that we can have a TO CAMERA. |
| 04:03:26.58 | Ray Withy | So you're going to be on here. |
| 04:03:27.64 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:03:29.31 | Thomas Theodores | That's... |
| 04:03:29.75 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:03:29.76 | Thomas Theodores | One of the benefits of this thing that I mentioned, that we got some extra funds that will be |
| 04:03:29.98 | Adam Politzer | of the |
| 04:03:30.41 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:03:30.46 | Adam Politzer | That's one of the things. |
| 04:03:31.03 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 04:03:31.05 | Adam Politzer | The benefits |
| 04:03:31.66 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:03:37.04 | Ray Withy | Great. |
| 04:03:37.83 | Thomas Theodores | So we'll have to work on the makeup at that point, for sure. |
| 04:03:40.28 | Ray Withy | Yeah, picture perfect. Okay, comments from the public? |
| 04:03:46.56 | Jonathan | any other council member reports you have one you can't comment on the council member get out of here |
| 04:03:48.97 | Ray Withy | Do you have one? |
| 04:03:50.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:51.52 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 04:03:52.23 | Unknown | . Thank you. |
| 04:03:53.29 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 04:03:53.71 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:03:53.73 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 04:03:53.74 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:03:53.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:54.00 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 04:03:54.03 | Linda | Well, you heard from the Butte Task Force tonight, and I want to thank the council for supporting them. |
| 04:03:59.97 | Ray Withy | All right, next. Appointments to HLB. My nominations, I do have two nominations, and I have them here. One would I recommend Bernie Feeney, and Natasha Frejia. |
| 04:04:21.08 | Ray Withy | to be on the HLB. Well, I need a second. |
| 04:04:26.36 | Jonathan | Oh, you just dare to call for any other nominations? |
| 04:04:28.30 | Ray Withy | Oh. No, the reason is. |
| 04:04:30.45 | Linda | I nominate Natasha Frazier and Dave Hodgson. |
| 04:04:40.45 | Ray Withy | For the AHLB. Any other nominations? |
| 04:04:40.66 | Linda | For the AHLB. |
| 04:04:43.96 | Ray Withy | Okay, let's have a vote. |
| 04:04:54.22 | Debbie | Sorry, I operated a little slower at this hour. Okay. Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 04:05:01.82 | Linda | Dave Hodgson and Natasha Fraser. |
| 04:05:07.20 | Debbie | Council Member Theodore. |
| 04:05:08.53 | Thomas Theodores | Bernie Feeney and Natasha Frazier. |
| 04:05:13.99 | Debbie | Council Member Whitty. |
| 04:05:15.39 | Ray Withy | Natasha Fraser and Bernie Feeney. |
| 04:05:22.49 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Liam. |
| 04:05:23.91 | Jonathan | Natasha Fraser and Bernie Piena. |
| 04:05:28.97 | Debbie | May I, oh, here we go. Mayor Reiner. |
| 04:05:32.82 | Ray Withy | Thank you. So, just call me dead. Natasha, Frazier, and Bernie Fue. Natasha Frazier and Bernie Feeney. Okay. Don't. |
| 04:05:45.05 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 04:05:46.08 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 04:05:46.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:05:48.21 | Debbie | I don't have my staff report. I think you might need to assign. I also need you to affirm the three |
| 04:05:51.65 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 04:05:56.97 | Debbie | existing appointments? Okay. |
| 04:05:57.00 | Ray Withy | existing appointments. |
| 04:05:58.45 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:05:58.58 | Ray Withy | Yes. I'm sure. |
| 04:06:00.41 | Debbie | And you can do that by consensus, if you please. Consensus. Yeah. |
| 04:06:03.40 | Ray Withy | Consensus on that? Yes? All in favor? Okay? |
| 04:06:11.51 | Debbie | I think you need to |
| 04:06:12.62 | Unknown | you |
| 04:06:12.78 | Ray Withy | You know? Thank you. Thank you. Sure. Mm. |
| 04:06:16.00 | Debbie | determined the Which terms don't for those Thank you. |
| 04:06:20.91 | Unknown | Oh, wait. |
| 04:06:21.94 | Jonathan | And looking at your staff report, so you say reappointing Cummins Carolyn, Karen Yadig, Morian Pierce for full terms through July. Is it a two-year term? Three, I think. Is it a year and a half term? |
| 04:06:33.09 | Debbie | No, there's a two, HOP is the only one that's a two year term. |
| 04:06:36.69 | Jonathan | Okay. Okay. So I would nominate Carolyn Kearney at Morgan Pierce for 2014. No, you did that already. Okay, you did that. |
| 04:06:44.43 | Debbie | Bye. No, what I need is |
| 04:06:47.89 | Jonathan | You don't have the different term lengths here. |
| 04:06:49.14 | Debbie | I have two links here. Like any of the three, yeah. Oh, no, they both have expired 2015. Cancel that. |
| 04:06:55.50 | Jonathan | Okay. |
| 04:06:55.66 | Debbie | Those two would go through, the two new appointees go through 2015. |
| 04:07:00.09 | Jonathan | Thank you. |
| 04:07:02.36 | Ray Withy | Okay. Let's see. Any other reports? Yes. |
| 04:07:08.43 | Jonathan | Yeah. |
| 04:07:10.30 | Ray Withy | Any other reports of significance? So... now. Okay? I move to adjourn. Okay. All in favor? All in favor? Thank you. |
| 04:07:52.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:52.51 | Debbie | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:07:52.78 | Unknown | It looks like, I hope I didn't screw up this recording. |
| 04:07:57.25 | Adam Politzer | So that's a good point. We've got to ask the media center, how can they |