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| 00:00:08.62 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 00:00:10.97 | Unknown | Good evening and welcome to the November 5th, 2015 City Council meeting. And can we have a roll call please? |
| 00:00:21.41 | Unknown | Council member Pfeiffer. Here. Council member Theodores. Present. Council member Withey. Here. Vice mayor Leone. Here. Mayor Weiner. |
| 00:00:26.14 | Unknown | here. Yeah. present. Um, Carol Pops, would you be able to answer that? |
| 00:00:41.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:43.40 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:00:43.82 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:00:44.41 | Unknown | of the United States. |
| 00:00:44.97 | Unknown | you America. Thank you. |
| 00:00:46.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:46.94 | Unknown | to be |
| 00:00:47.38 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:00:47.79 | Unknown | FOR THEM. |
| 00:00:48.29 | Unknown | which is Sam. |
| 00:00:48.97 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Yeah. |
| 00:00:53.51 | Unknown | Thank you. and justice. |
| 00:00:59.55 | Unknown | We had a session on a ledger. on legal counsel, litigation, and that was Johnson versus Sassolito. Is there anybody here that would like to make a comment on that closed session item? If not, then we'll move on to approval of the |
| 00:01:23.97 | Ray Withy | agenda. I also move. But just as a note, since we are having this film, we're here because it's election day. And we had to schedule this 12 months ago on election day. So rather than move this meeting, we decided to move the meeting. |
| 00:01:34.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:39.91 | Ray Withy | We do have some burning issues, but not that. |
| 00:01:46.43 | Unknown | Okay, there's no special presentations at this time. At this time here, the city council will hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda, except in very limited situations. State law concludes the council from taking action or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. So is there anybody that would like to speak about items that are not on the agenda tonight? Okay, then we'll move on to the approval of the minutes of the October 27, 2013 meeting. So I'm second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. Moving on next to the consent calendar. These items, matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and not controversial, requiring no discussion. I expect that they have unanimous council support and they may be enacted by the council in one motion in the form listed below. |
| 00:02:30.29 | Thomas Theodores | So I'm seconded. |
| 00:02:32.63 | Unknown | My favorite. |
| 00:02:33.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:33.39 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 00:03:00.46 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I'd like to pull 4B, no, not 4B, 4C, and place that as item 6C after the fee label requests. On the vision plan, the vision plan is 4. |
| 00:03:13.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:16.10 | Unknown | So let me take that to six. See |
| 00:03:24.15 | Thomas Theodores | So I move approval of the consent calendar, items 4A, B, and D. I'm moving item 4C to become new business item 6C. |
| 00:03:36.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:37.48 | Unknown | Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? All right, then we'll just start now with our business items. And this time here we'll see an update from friends at Dumping Park. |
| 00:03:38.76 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 00:03:51.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:51.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:51.71 | Unknown | Michael Anthony? |
| 00:03:52.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:52.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:54.41 | Unknown | Good evening, council members, audience. Before we do that, I would like to draw your attention to this water. Casino night is coming Saturday as a fundraiser for Marianne Sears Park, which is another park that we're working on here in the city. This is a great time. It's going to be at the I-Dest Hall on Caledonia Street, right by. So I said Marianne Sears Park. I'm not Robin Swinger Park. I've got all these park sticks going on in my mind. It's a great opportunity to have some fun, do a little gambling, and not have to fight the traffic at the Rohnert Park like everybody else. So please send emails out to your friends and come join us for a good evening. If you notice, we've got some great prizes. Vegas Vacation, Big Screen TV, Five Five Stars, Yacht Charter, Big Sports Ticket Package, which includes tickets to the 49ers, the Cheyenne's, the Warriors, Caballo Point, and a lot more. So this is coming Saturday. Who can say no? No, no one can. So I want to give you a little bit of brief history of Dunn-Pee Park here. So I want to give you a check report you received from me. |
| 00:04:47.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:05:02.82 | Unknown | A long, long time ago, way back in the 70s, there was a, Dumpy Park was known as the city's unofficial dump. People were disrupting there, and that was before the large ecological movement that we have going on now, even in the 80s. There was a proposal by a developer to put some apartments there, and the citizens of Sausalito rallied up and decided to put a bond together, and the city actually purchased the land, and the development was stopped. The citizens got together and put in Dunphy Park back at that time, and it's remained relatively unchanged since then. There used to be a playground which consisted more mostly of what I understand concrete pipes and various things that people thought would be fun to play with and back in those days the city was fine with it and they were fun to play with I'm sure our city manager can enlighten us on what what he played with out there how many times he bonked his head on a concrete cylinder. That explains a lot. That was removed at one time. The Rotary Club put a large barbecue structure in there. However, there were some problems with that, so that was removed. But basically, the park that sits today is unchanged from what it was back in the 70s. In 2002, there was a group of residents that wanted to do something to improve the park. April Phillips Design Works donated their time to put together a Not sure whether it wasn't a full master plan, but it was just an idea of what to do out of the park. It only got as far as the Planning Commission approving or agreeing that it went along with the city's overall plan. There was no approval for the project. It didn't go any further. One of the reasons it didn't go any further is that there was a question about the property next door known as Axe. That That sounds familiar doesn't it? In 2003 the city, with friends from the California Coast Conservancy in the County of Moran, purchased the property adjacent to the park, commonly referred to as the railroad right-of-way, and then the parcel between Humboldt Street. So if you're looking up here on this plan as well as on your |
| 00:06:48.34 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:07:22.78 | Unknown | where I gave you the copy of the flyer. That would be the portion that is outlined in green. The portion that's outlined in the orange was the first part that was built back in the 70s. Well, nothing much has happened since then. The area of the railroad's right-of-way has been used for parking, but the rest of the city purchase has basically set foul. It's been used for various things, sometimes parking, sometimes storage for construction equipment while we're doing big work projects like dating concrete streets and such for a million places to put stuff. But nothing's happened. The Friends of Dunkey Park were instrumental in the original purchase of that. And this year, time of course forward to the 2014 fiscal year, the Friends came to the City Council and requested that the City Council put a schematic master plan process on the priority calendar. When the Council voted, this ended up being fifth on the priority calendar with the agreement that the Friends with the spearhead the project. So the Friends have gotten the project started, and I'd like to bring up Carol Peltz, who will tell you a little bit more about the Friends and what's going on. |
| 00:08:49.97 | Carolyn Revell | Having worked on this for quite some time with neighbors and friends, this has always been a goal and it's been in process for the long run. I'm going to read you a letter from Jacques Olma tonight. But I know that many people, or some people who are here, have participated in trying to improve the park and the various purchases that go along. So this is from John, and this focuses on the schematic master plan forum, which is Saturday the 16th of November at the of the Bay Model. Of the Bay Model from 10 until 12. |
| 00:09:34.69 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:09:39.91 | Carolyn Revell | The staff report covers our activities today quite well. Yesterday we had a meeting with staff and Pam Jones, our facilitator, and established the format for the forum. It would take place at the day model, set up with a lot of time in the ceiling. We have sign-up sheets and a questionnaire for people as they arrive. There will also be cards and pencils similar to those who's candidate's night for people who make written comments, and they will be dropped in a box or delivered to a box as a day while later. Pam, the facilitator, will make an introduction, will move the objectives, and setting up the ground rules for the program. I will briefly describe what a schematic master plan is and a discussion that will follow. The discussion will be broken into various parts of topics with PowerPoint visual aids for each topic. I will introduce each topic very briefly, and Pam will open the topic for discussion. In the weeks that follow, we will, with staff, go over all the comments from the web and from the form, from the questionnaires and from the cards, and compile them into a format that can be used both as a report of public input and as a basis for the program used in putting together the schematic master plan. As we know, Jacques is the chairman of the board of directors of Friends of Dunphy Park, who has worked devotedly on this project. And I look forward to a very pleasant outcome of this. Thank you. |
| 00:11:24.29 | Unknown | Thank you, Sarah. Thank you. |
| 00:11:34.76 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:11:40.88 | Ray Withy | What would be the next step following the public |
| 00:11:43.03 | Unknown | meeting. Well, following the public meeting, as Carol said, would be the collecting of all the information. And from my understanding, Chuck and his team are going to work on the actual schematic master plan, which sometimes I call a pretty picture. It's not going to be an engineering design. It's not going to be exactly the scale and everything. It's just going to be basic. through public consensus they think this should go here and this should go here and this should go here but then the scale and everything is just going to be basic. Through public consensus, they think this should go here, and this should go here, and this should go here, within the park. It's important to say that it's going to be the entire park. Once that's done, then it continues through the normal city processes. It'll come back first to you as the property owners. |
| 00:12:25.03 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:12:25.11 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 00:12:25.33 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:12:25.35 | Unknown | Music |
| 00:12:25.57 | Adam Politzer | And if I can just add, what Carol shared there the important clarification is that council has only at this point given a limited amount of money and resources so any additional staff time or dollars that would also need to come back to the council and ask for their consideration so that's that's important that the friends recognize that you know the the friends are carrying the water on this project they're doing the work and they are with support from Mike and a few others but that that resource of staff is limited as Mike talked about at the beginning when he introduced it you know we just finished Harrison Park or Marian Sears Park now we're working on Robin Sweeney Park the fundraiser that's coming forward there's activity over at Southview Park the Rotary Club is adopted Casano Park and then we already know what our public works department's working on in terms of capital projects so we want to make sure that that there isn't a shift of committee and community involvement back onto the shoulders of the staff. So it'll be important when they come forward with a conceptual design or feedback based on what comes from the forum, the public workshop, that we're real clear on what the next steps are and what the involvement of the staff time and or financial support from the city. |
| 00:12:48.87 | Unknown | Mmm. |
| 00:12:49.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:56.73 | Thomas Theodores | Could I have a follow-up question and ask what would be the timing of that? |
| 00:14:04.03 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 00:14:04.36 | Thomas Theodores | of the sort of the first work product of the friends and the board |
| 00:14:14.70 | Unknown | That would be something that I can't answer because as they are a volunteer group, it's going to depend on their time. I know that they are rapidly wanting to go through it. And we did say in here that it would be in 2014. |
| 00:14:24.91 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 00:14:28.92 | Thomas Theodores | Okay, so it's likely to occur in the first half of the year, something like that? |
| 00:14:28.94 | Unknown | All right. Thank you. |
| 00:14:34.41 | Thomas Theodores | Yes. Okay. |
| 00:14:34.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:37.28 | Unknown | Well, we may ask maybe just for a third, but Saturday is going to be the public forum. And the very next step, there'll be some, the committee will get together the Friends of Duffy Park in terms of looking at it, but there'll be some, we'll meet some engineers and others to have input on the proposals, correct? Is there any funding for the next step in the house for many of us? No. No. So we'll be. |
| 00:14:41.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:41.68 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:14:41.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:41.85 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:14:41.95 | Unknown | right? |
| 00:14:58.71 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:15:01.11 | Unknown | . We heard. |
| 00:15:06.22 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Thank you. Thank you. My question is with respect to the Postal Conservancy grant, the $2.2 million. And it would seem to me that there would have been a reason, a motivation, with respect to preservation of the habitat from the environmental standpoint. And I was wondering if you could speak to that. |
| 00:15:12.93 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:15:31.70 | Unknown | I've done research. There's actually a website, dumpypark.org, and if you go there, it lists all kinds of great information that I've found. It's really been fun. I might add, it's been fun researching all these documents, bringing them forward and learning about all the great stuff that the people in this town have done. And with the funds from the Coastal Conservancy, which was actually $1.2 million, there was an additional million offer of a loan, but the city decided not to take that on at the time. So it was a $1.2 million straight grant from the Coastal Conservancy. There is a portion of restrictions that came with it, and the restrictions are very brief. It says coastal access and views. |
| 00:16:21.97 | Unknown | It's in the Hillgrass area, and it's that . |
| 00:16:24.94 | Unknown | water. |
| 00:16:25.57 | Unknown | Yeah, in the water. |
| 00:16:28.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:28.16 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:16:28.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:28.52 | Unknown | Presumably, if we're looking at future uses |
| 00:16:31.98 | Unknown | of those policies |
| 00:16:34.04 | Unknown | because they are water plants. |
| 00:16:35.98 | Unknown | that we would also consider the impact to that yield |
| 00:16:41.63 | Unknown | There's a study, the Merkel study, that's in the packet as well. As well as in 2012, prior to the OB-CAT races out there, I went into the Bay and Checked where all the eelgrass was on my hands and knees in my wetsuit. And there's definitely eelgrass in there, and that's something that's going to have to be taken into consideration because there's a diminishing amount of eelgrass. And as things come forward, everything will be taken into consideration. And the friends, I don't want to speak for them, but this one I'm confident they are very aware of the eelgrass there, and we'll make sure that that's a known one. |
| 00:17:19.03 | Unknown | Has this information with respect, or how will this information with respect to preservation of the habitat be communicated as part of this forum? I'm just asking a question with respect to how we frame public input. In other words, if I'm going into a public forum and I think, oh, this Christine Waterfront parcel could size the limit in terms of what I could suppose, will the public be informed as to the way that the input would be framed? |
| 00:17:58.97 | Adam Politzer | Councilmember Pfeiffer, can I just interject? Because Mike's probably not the right person to be asking the question, as I was sharing earlier. You know, the water of this project is being carried by the friends. And unfortunately, Jacques's not here, but there are other members. I don't know if they can speak on that or not. But Mike's role is not, he hasn't been the one coordinating this or facilitating that discussion. |
| 00:18:00.99 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:18:21.43 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 00:18:21.44 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I can just add something. |
| 00:18:23.03 | Ray Withy | I think in the past, the Friends have put forward a band of conservation along the shoreline, in any scenario, of returning to its natural state. And so I think that will probably be what they present in their discussion. It would be my guess. I don't want to speak for that anyway. I imagine so. So I'm sure they'll frame that for the public. It will be certainly something the public will be aware of. |
| 00:18:44.55 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 00:18:49.29 | Carolyn Revell | and their husband is one. I don't too white. Yeah, if you speak, you have to come up |
| 00:18:52.82 | Ray Withy | Yeah, if you speak, yeah. |
| 00:18:54.03 | Unknown | come up. voting. |
| 00:18:59.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:19:05.20 | Carolyn Revell | There has been, and the city should, and I know somewhere has it, a professional assessment of the eelgrass situation that was done perhaps. Thank you. |
| 00:19:18.53 | Ray Withy | It's in our packet actually. |
| 00:19:20.95 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. Thank you. And it's very good information. The person who did it is well known. And that would certainly be important that eelgrass may have shifted somewhat or variations on that. And I believe that was funded by We're in a lot of them. |
| 00:19:43.81 | Thomas Theodores | Thanks, Karen. Thank you, Karen. |
| 00:19:45.67 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. |
| 00:19:46.07 | Unknown | Any of those? Do you have any more questions? No. Any questions? |
| 00:19:50.75 | Unknown | I guess I have a follow-up question just for clarification with regards to the Audubon funding the yield last day. Did I make that correct? |
| 00:19:59.61 | Carolyn Revell | Miranda Audubon, I believe yes. We did it. With Barbara Salzman. |
| 00:20:00.62 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Oh, great. And a follow-up question with respect to that, and it's OK if you don't have the answer to this, but is it safe to say that Autogon funded that study of eelgrass assessment to highlight the importance of that preservation and to? |
| 00:20:21.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:20:21.38 | Ray Withy | You were on the council at the time when this was done. This was done as part of our investigation of actually purchasing this entire property back in 2006, 7, whatever it was. I can't remember where that was. And that's why that study was done. They granted it the money to do this study as part of our due diligence out there. |
| 00:20:40.49 | Unknown | Councilman William and I, I thank you very much, and I do remember that. But for the public's education, I think it's important that we air this, so people understand the history and the importance of the eelgrass. Because, well, I'll reserve my comments to the comment time, but there's a reason why I'm asking these questions. |
| 00:21:01.91 | Unknown | At this time, we have any questions from the public on the side of it. |
| 00:21:05.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:21:05.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:21:05.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:21:05.79 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | Yes, I do. |
| 00:21:06.82 | Unknown | You have to come up here, say your name, please. Thank you for coming up. Did you go to the City Hall first or did you take it again? |
| 00:21:16.12 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | No, I did get the late message. It was rather late. |
| 00:21:18.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:21:20.10 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | Thank you. |
| 00:21:20.25 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you for coming. |
| 00:21:20.42 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | Bye. to be kind of. you My name is Ursula Levy-Rowe, 415 Living Street. I have been trying to get into the Dumpy Park Org additional PDFs. I have not been able to read all of that. And I am very concerned about that. |
| 00:21:41.82 | Unknown | Any other questions from the public? |
| 00:21:45.03 | Ray Withy | with that or bring it back up here for a comment? Just who maintains that website? Is that the Friends or is that you folks who maintain that site? The DumpyPark.org, is that run by the Friends? I don't know. Yours are. |
| 00:21:49.18 | Unknown | I know, man. |
| 00:21:49.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:21:58.46 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. |
| 00:22:00.03 | Unknown | I built it, but that's it, and this is the first that I heard. |
| 00:22:04.41 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:22:04.43 | Unknown | about it. |
| 00:22:04.73 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:22:05.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:22:05.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:22:05.17 | Unknown | I set it up, put the documents on there. This is the first that I've heard that it wasn't working. |
| 00:22:11.35 | Ray Withy | Maybe you two can talk afterwards and figure out what's happening. We can act on that. Because we know your skills are amazing as far as building websites. Thank you. |
| 00:22:20.14 | Unknown | I'm sorry, I'm teasing. |
| 00:22:22.67 | Ray Withy | Okay. Thank you for the effort, actually, of doing that. Thank you. |
| 00:22:26.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:22:27.57 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:22:27.60 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:22:27.95 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:22:30.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:22:31.16 | Unknown | Thank you. The reason behind my questions with respect to the habitat and the eelgrass was because there has been some concern that the framing of the public forum needs to be given a nod to the history with which the parcel that has been purchased. Audubon making the contribution to conduct the eelgrass study. The Coastal Conservancy giving a grant of $1 million plus towards the purchase of the parcels. Specifically, this speaks to the need to preserve that habitat. And I think it sets everyone up for success when the public is also provided with that history so that we don't have folks proposing buildings or whatnot or other types of proposals. And that was the reason behind my question. I think it's great. We need to involve the public. We need to conduct that public outreach. I have complete faith in the Friends of Dunphy Park. I just also think it's important to, as the public becomes involved, that we frame that discussion so that they understand history and just what a beautiful jewel we have in the center of our town with respect to wildlife habitat and cultivation of the eelgrass to bring back our endangered herring population. |
| 00:24:16.29 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:24:16.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:16.38 | Unknown | you |
| 00:24:16.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:16.49 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:24:16.53 | Unknown | you |
| 00:24:17.47 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:24:17.63 | Unknown | and the other one. |
| 00:24:18.30 | Ray Withy | Amen. Yeah, I mean, I'd just add that it'll come back to us. It's, you know, we're going to be the applicant for whatever proposal comes out of the public forum. So those decisions will be made here, and the public is free to voice whatever opinion it so chooses, whoever's personal in opinion. But I'm sure, as I stated earlier, that the friends will outline a lot of the history. And it's an independent mediator, so the independent mediator is going to do a little bit of the outlining of how the meeting is going to be run, I'm sure, as well. I'm not as concerned that I'm sure all those factors will be taken into account. |
| 00:24:56.72 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, I also am very comfortable that the friends really have a balanced, reasonable focus. They understand the environmental concerns. I mean, that's partly what's driving them, for goodness sake. So, you know, I'm very comfortable. And unfortunately, I will miss the event on the 16th because I'm traveling, but otherwise I'd be there. So good luck with that. |
| 00:25:10.21 | Unknown | FOR GOODNESS SAKE. |
| 00:25:11.04 | Unknown | So |
| 00:25:23.08 | Unknown | We appreciate all the efforts and certainly glad that it's moved through this stage. We look forward to it being moved along so that we can preserve and enjoy the parks. We appreciate all the efforts on the transit of the parks. |
| 00:25:36.94 | Unknown | My feelings are the same. I'm not worried. With Jacques being at the helm, I feel very, very thankful. |
| 00:25:46.02 | Ray Withy | Well, and I think the public can also this would be the first of many public hearings about what happens at various levels of approval to the parks. So it's not the one time opportunity to make the comment on what's being proposed. Any other comments? |
| 00:26:02.05 | Unknown | Okay, thank you very much. I'm coming. Moving forward. you Thank you, Mike. Next item here is we have a request for a fee waiver at 515 I Street. Jeremy Gray. |
| 00:26:29.96 | Jeremy Gray | Mayor and Council members, what we have tonight is a request for a fee waiver and waiver of the fines regarding construction at 515 Pine Street. I have a list of various actions that have taken place from a city perspective on this property and during these actions. There have been numerous conversations with the staff, with all of the parties. perspective on this property and during these actions there have been numerous conversations with the staff has held with all the parties that have been involved in these actions. So the process basically starts off a little over two years ago in September of 2011 when staff received two complaint forms or code violation forms from neighbors of 515 Pine Street regarding an allegation that construction had been taking place for the weekend by installing a second story window in the residence of 515 Pine Street. On that same day, the building inspector went out to the site and issued a correction notice to Jose and Elizabeth Garcia-Holman who are the property owners of the residence at 515 and the correction notice identified that they needed to obtain a building permit within 30 days. Two months later a code enforcement officer issued a compliance order to Mr. and Mrs. Garcia-Holman since no action had been taken on the correction notice. A building permit had not been applied for yet. Then moving forward to 2012, an administrative citation was issued in January. This was issued because the building permit had not yet been applied for. Then in March, a second $100 citation was issued. July, a $200 citation was issued. August, a $500 citation was issued. And then in September of last year, close to a year after the original complaint had come in, come in, architect Don Olson came to the community development department and applied for the building permit for the window. As standard practices, those plans were sent off to CSG for plan check. And eight days later on September 25th, the list of corrections on those plans came back to the city and those were forwarded to the applicant and the architect. Two and a half months later, in December, the architect submitted revised plans that addressed those comments, and then nine days later, CSG responded with some additional corrections, further corrections that were still needing to be addressed on those plans. So then in 2013, we, the staff sent a notice of overdue fine to the property owner since no further action had been taken on those corrections that had been provided to the applicant of the prior December. Two months had gone by, no action had taken. Generally how staff approaches these is if action is moving forward, progress is being made, we're very very patient. But when we feel like we're being ignored, we don't like being ignored by a code enforcement issue, so then we take the next step. And on this particular February step, it was a notice to let them know that the fine was overdue, and possibly the staff would move forward to the council to initiate the procedures to record a lien against the property because they had not paid the funds yet. Then in July of this year, we started the process over again, basically, with a new courtesy notice. The reason we started the process over again is because the amount of time that had lapsed since the first one, and want to be in an overabundance of caution we wanted to make sure that we weren't providing the possibility that because a year had gone by from the initial from the first correction notice and compliance order that we might Thank you. Thank you. created a misstep. We did, but we decided in an abundance of caution to simply provide a courtesy notice. That's the first step in the court of compliance. Then in August of this year we had issued a compliance order, and then 30 days, you know, three weeks thereafter, in September 9th we issued our fifth administrative citation. Then a little over close to two weeks ago, Mr. and Mrs. Garcia-Holden submitted a request for a waiver of the fines. The following day, the revised construction drawings that were replying to the corrections that had been provided to the applicant last December were submitted. And then today, I was notified by CSG that the current plans are still not compliant with the with the all of the corrections that had been identified and so here we here we are the this this table was a summary of a portion one category of the fines and penalties that have been assessed. The fines and penalties basically fall into two categories. The first category are these building and zoning permit fees. In the first column, or the second column, you see the fees that are due these are the standard fees and then let's see but because work took place without in advance of the issuance of building permits our fee schedule calls for penalties and so these are penalties that have been issued that will be due. So basically we have $804 of fees that will be due. So basically we have $804 of fees that will be due on this project when we get to the place where we can issue a permit. Because the work was conducted without permits, we have $640 in penalties for a total of the building and zoning permit fees for approximately $1445. The second category of the fees and fines are the administrative citations. These citations, we've issued five citations, those total to $1,000. None of the citations have been paid. The citations incur a penalty if they are not paid within 30 days none of them have been paid so $500 in penalties have been approved for a total of some $1,500 in this category of the fines and penalties. Based upon the request that we received from Mr. and Mrs. Garcia-Ferrman waive these fees, staff has provided this summary, and so the recommendation for the council is to review the request by Mr. and Mrs. Garcia-Holman to waive the fines and fees, and staff has identified four options that the council can take. The first option is to waive the building permit and zoning permit penalties for conducting work without a permit. Those are currently $640. The second is to waive the comparable fees for the administrative citations and penalties. Those total $1,500 currently. The third option is to waive a different amount of fees. And then the fourth option is to deny the request. Late mail has been distributed from two neighbors, Sam Chase and Rayford Hyatt. And then Mr. Garcia-Holman is present, and I would expect that he would like to make some comments also. That concludes staff's presentation. We're available for questions. |
| 00:34:47.47 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 00:34:48.08 | Jeremy Gray | Yeah. |
| 00:34:48.80 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:34:48.82 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 00:34:48.97 | Adam Politzer | Amen. |
| 00:34:49.21 | Jeremy Gray | when you said the fees are... |
| 00:34:49.49 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, can I just recommend, and I suggested this earlier, to let the applicant make his statement and his architect is here as well, and then come back to the questions after. |
| 00:35:02.71 | Unknown | I have. One clarification. When you said the fees added up to $804.92, I see with the asterisks that the only one that has not been paid is the building permit for $391.80. So that would be the total of the fees, is that correct? If you go back up on your chart that you had before, right there. |
| 00:35:25.47 | Jeremy Gray | Yes, so these are the fees that are due on the project, and some of them have been paid today, the two with the asterisks. Okay, so then the remain that, |
| 00:35:32.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:32.03 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:35:32.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:32.20 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:35:32.41 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:35:37.97 | Unknown | is a 391.80 out of that. Correct. Well, no question. Yeah, I'm just saying. Okay. That's true. Okay. All right. Thank you. |
| 00:35:40.19 | Jeremy Gray | Right. No. Well, no question. |
| 00:35:53.62 | Unknown | Go ahead, God. You can get it next time. |
| 00:35:59.95 | Don Olson | I'm John Olson, the architect on this portion of the project, and I arrived lately on this site after the city had started giving them a little harassment, and I was, but I knew nothing about the fact that they had done work without a permit, and I felt that it would be very easy in order to get a permit to put in a window in a master bedroom in which the window had been there, or a window had been there. |
| 00:36:03.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:03.46 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 00:36:03.91 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:36:36.40 | Don Olson | The staff in planning had sent me a letter saying, you know, you've got another five weeks or something like that to make this happen and you won't get fined. At that particular time, I was extremely busy and I really could not do it in all fairness because it would have just moved the herd around to somebody else. And I didn't realize that we had this fine issue. And I certainly have worked trying to get this thing squared away. And I've worked with the staff and also the planning director because it just seems like this is a terrible way to be dealing with citizens in our city. Thank you. |
| 00:37:22.14 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. . Can I ask you a question? When did you start to get it in? What time frame did you get involved? Excuse me? When did you get involved here? |
| 00:37:31.16 | Don Olson | Thank you. He had already gone in there, taken out the old window, put in a new window. |
| 00:37:33.45 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Was it in 2015? |
| 00:37:35.43 | Jeremy Gray | Oh, my God. |
| 00:37:40.03 | Ray Withy | in 2011. |
| 00:37:41.16 | Don Olson | Thank you. |
| 00:37:41.16 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:37:41.42 | Don Olson | Okay. |
| 00:37:41.70 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:37:41.72 | Unknown | What? Thank you. Oh, I see. But on the timeline that Jeremy had, it said, you submitted building permit in September of 2012. They were involved. |
| 00:37:50.70 | Don Olson | They could have. here in the matter. It would seem to me that I probably was. Okay? All right, thank you. |
| 00:38:00.97 | Unknown | . |
| 00:38:01.40 | Don Olson | . |
| 00:38:01.73 | Unknown | Do you want to get any questions? No, no, I want to chat. You want to chat? |
| 00:38:06.10 | Unknown | Thank you. You're going to take my watch. |
| 00:38:07.66 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Thank you. |
| 00:38:07.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:38:07.79 | Unknown | you |
| 00:38:08.03 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Thank you. |
| 00:38:08.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:38:12.20 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Good evening, Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much. My name is Jose Garcia-Holman, I'm the owner of 515 Pine Street. Hello, Charles Darwin. He said that all species, the best thing they have is compassion. This is the only thing that may be the difference between us and the other one, that we do have compassion. I do realize that in the last two years we have been making mistakes, not just my part, but also for some people from the city. But I am willing to move forward in the right direction, in the only way that you can have. In the present, when we talk about the past, the only one who lose is the future. I invite you to start a new job. Thanks so much. |
| 00:38:59.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:38:59.85 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Thank you. |
| 00:38:59.90 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. in shape. |
| 00:39:09.05 | Unknown | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Vice Mayor, and council members. My name is Julia Butler. I'm an attorney with Epstein Law Farm. And I'm here tonight on behalf of the owners of 19 Bonita Street in Sausalito, Sam and Ingrid Chase. I believe you have Mr. Graves referred to some late mail, which you did receive directly from Mr. Chase. He couldn't be here tonight and asked me to appear on his behalf and provide you with a few comments. So I thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today and provide some comments regarding the request of our clients that we deny the application for a waiver of the fees and penalties. As is clear from my client's correspondence from the very beginning of the window replacement. They have notified the beginning of the window replacement, they have notified the city of the code violation with respect to this window. And once the city received the code violation, they agreed with our clients and the neighbor, Mr. Rayford Hyatt, that there was in fact a code violation and started the appropriate city procedures for issuing compliance requests, administrative citations, and eventually fines and penalties. Thank you. And tonight, as far as we know, despite never contesting the compliance orders, citations, they never appealed, never asked for a fee waiver, a hardship request, et cetera, tonight they are asking for a waiver of the fines and penalties that the city has lawfully imposed pursuant to its own municipal code. However, we respectfully contend that there is no justification for any waiver of these fines and penalties. First, there is no provision in the code to grant such a request. There is only the council's overall discretion, but there is no, as far as we could find, specific process or procedure for such a late application for a waiver of these fines and penalties. Second, I think it's important to note that there is no contest, and in fact, the code violations, which creates a fire hazard, there's no dispute that that is a code violation, and that it indeed has been a fire hazard, created a fire hazard, and has been a fire hazard for two years. And third, I haven't heard any justification. I didn't see anything in the application that justified the fact that it's taken two years to rectify this issue. I did hear tonight some remorse and some intention to move forward, but that in and of itself I don't think justifies waiver of lawfully and properly imposed fines and penalties. On behalf of our clients, we, again, respectfully contend that we believe it's important for the council to uphold its municipal code and the proper actions that the staff has taken in this case. The code section, the chapter of the code, which allowed the imposition of the fines and penalties, itself states that the City Council finds that the enforcement of this Ocelito Municipal Code is an important public service and is vital to the protection of the public's health, safety, and quality of life. Thus, on behalf of our clients who have been subject to this fire hazard for almost two years now, or over two years, we ask the council to uphold the staff's lawful and proper imposition of the fines and penalties in this matter with respect to the code violation and respectfully ask you to deny the applicant's request. Such a decision would provide positive reinforcement to the many residents of your city who do follow the code requirements and do attempt to comply once they are notified that they are... acting outside of their environments of their code. If the council chooses not to uphold the imposition of the fines and penalties, we respectfully contend that it will validate such unlawful actions on behalf of the applicants and send a message to your residents that there are really no consequences for failure to follow the code. Clearly, this issue has been very troubling to our clients, who are neighbors of the applicants, and they take this issue so seriously that they asked us to appear on their behalf tonight when they themselves could not appear. Thank you. And in addition to the denial of the applicant's request to waive the fines and penalties, our clients would also like the right to comment on the plan submitted by the owners of 515 Pine due to the continuous failure to properly address the code violations. Thank you for your consideration of our comments, and I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have. Thanks. |
| 00:44:18.50 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. Amen. Okay, any other comments? Let's bring it up. Is there any comments from the question from the public on this? Great. |
| 00:44:34.38 | Don Olson | you |
| 00:44:34.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:44:34.47 | Don Olson | Thank you. |
| 00:44:38.74 | Don Olson | I had just one minor comment regarding that in that it certainly does not create a fire hazard. And that's it. Because the window came out and the window came in. The window should never, even when it was built, be within five feet, I think it's, Maybe three feet. Three feet of the property line and much closer than that. And that was one of the reasons that it took a little more time to get it all put together. But that's an excuse. |
| 00:45:13.94 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Thank you. |
| 00:45:13.95 | Don Olson | Yeah. |
| 00:45:14.46 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:45:16.45 | Unknown | And... |
| 00:45:17.68 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Sorry, Donald. How many years have you been architect in Sassolito? A life not. Thank you. |
| 00:45:25.45 | Unknown | you |
| 00:45:25.61 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Thank you. |
| 00:45:30.00 | Unknown | Okay, and I can vote for that too. Let's bring it back up here first. Thank you. |
| 00:45:37.04 | Unknown | you |
| 00:45:37.12 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:45:37.38 | Unknown | I think that will us, Jeremy, and Don might be able to do this. But we're all concerned that the plans are still not compliant. So I think, you know, it's, I know there's a little bit of procedural issue, but I'm kind of concerned that we're concerned about waiving fees and penalties, but we have to even dissolve the window issue. It's compliant. I think you said that the plans are not indeed compliant. Thank you. and penalties, but we have to even dissolve the window issue. It's a plan. I think you said that the plans have not been deemed compliant. Is that correct? That's correct. We found that out this afternoon. And can we get a little more information why that might be? I'm a little concerned. I'm very particular issue, but I'm particularly concerned that whatever was done is done according to the code and that a permit will issue a permit. |
| 00:45:38.79 | Unknown | I have a suggestion. |
| 00:46:24.49 | Unknown | approval. |
| 00:46:25.03 | Jeremy Gray | Well, so where the applicant currently is in the process is at the plan check stage. And so they paid a plan check fee of some $245. That buys you three plan checks. So they just concluded their third plan check. So the fourth plan check, which will now be necessary, is done on a time and materials basis. I'm assuming that we're right down to the... This is a window. It does have some issues because it is so close to the property line, and so it is having to... There's some special accommodations that are needed there, but at the end of the day, it is still a window. So I'm hopeful that after the fourth one, the fourth review that can be resolved, and And that fourth review is done on time and material basis. And typically, there's a minimum of one hour for that. And off the top of my head, I want to say that I think the rate is $70 an hour. I may be wrong on that. So the actual plan check fees, if it's $70 an hour, we're going to kick up to $220 or so or $320. But you see no reason why it will not be approved all of them? No, it's approvable. It just, the plans need to be proper documentation. |
| 00:46:53.97 | Unknown | It does have submission. |
| 00:47:04.70 | Unknown | I just, I have to go. |
| 00:47:36.29 | Unknown | It's approvable. |
| 00:47:44.02 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:47:44.36 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 00:47:45.91 | Unknown | Do you have any other questions? Okay, we'll start up with, where do we go? I guess I could throw out something to begin with. |
| 00:48:03.55 | Unknown | My calculations come out that the permit fees should be paid, and that's $640. You have a building permit that's due, and that's $391.80. Together, that's $1,031.80. And I think that's where I am. waving and really and I think that's where I am. Waiving, I really find it difficult, but yet nonetheless these $1,500 are from citation fine, late penalties, I would be in favor of waiving that, but not the Thank you. Thank you. not the penalties for work without a permit. So I could have some other input on what they have. |
| 00:48:59.79 | Unknown | Can I ask one other question? Sure. Jeremy, there's a period from August of 2012 that from January of 2012 until August of 2012 we assessed $900 worth of penalties. And then for a whole year it assessed $100. I just wasn't sure why that was on a monthly basis. And I'm not suggesting that you have one. I was just wondering why there was no fines added between August of 2012 and September of 2012. |
| 00:49:10.71 | Don Olson | Bye. |
| 00:49:29.03 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 00:49:29.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:30.50 | Jeremy Gray | Well, we, there's a number of projects that come in, and at times the staff, we were in conversations, and the progress was being made, but then the applicant does not, it ceases returning phone calls to our code enforcement, Allison Thornberry, or we get pulled off on a higher priority project and then we get back to picking up where we left off. And so this is the way code enforcement goes. With a variety of priorities, sometimes code enforcement gets left behind, as opposed to if we have an applicant who wants to add on to their house, that is a higher priority. Now let me ask you, could you assess finances in that period? As soon as we get to the third citation, the $500 citation, we can issue that $500 citation each day. But from a staff perspective I feel we hesitant to pull that trigger because I want the purpose of the of the core enforcement is to get compliance it's not to do not to penalize people but if they're not paying attention to us then we have that ability to issue a fine so |
| 00:50:54.96 | Unknown | in a sense, somewhat waived the fees for that year period or did not assess fees that you might have. |
| 00:51:00.51 | Jeremy Gray | To assess a fee, we have to send out administrative citations. And we have to set it every, to assess a fee for any particular day, we have to send out a citation on that day. |
| 00:51:04.40 | Unknown | administrative side. |
| 00:51:14.13 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:51:15.99 | Jeremy Gray | Okay. |
| 00:51:17.84 | Thomas Theodores | um, So you answered my question, actually, Jeremy, which was once you've issued the 500, $1,000 citation, then what? Well, we could assure a second citation. Yeah. OK. Yeah. OK. So you've answered that. |
| 00:51:28.90 | Jeremy Gray | Well, we could issue a second. Okay. Yeah. other jurisdictions I've worked in, we've issued $78,000 in violation. |
| 00:51:37.00 | Thomas Theodores | Right. Right. Right. |
| 00:51:39.16 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. Thank you. Bye. And I'm not sure if that really achieved anything. So we'd rather work with the applicant and try to coax them into bringing the plans in so we can get an approval project. |
| 00:51:50.75 | Thomas Theodores | Well, the fact remains, after no response, it appears that one month after the $500 citation, a building permit application appeared. And that was the compliance you were looking for. That was the first step. That was the first step. |
| 00:52:02.41 | Unknown | Cheers. |
| 00:52:06.29 | Jeremy Gray | That was the first step. Yes, that was good. Wow, great. |
| 00:52:10.95 | Thomas Theodores | So I think it's important to remember that, that we have citations and code enforcement for a reason. And personally, I'm just not sure we can go around waiting on them. |
| 00:52:31.76 | Unknown | I tend to agree with that. I mean, there is one. I mean, it's not a question, but the September $2,300. Don has basically said that some of that was, you know, that the applicant was actually prepared to move forward and that he was not aware. So I certainly, I'd be willing to, But I agree before that, I mean, certainly the basic permit fees and fines that really brought this to the position that someone would bring in applications to appropriately. I'm not. |
| 00:53:04.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:06.18 | Unknown | Well, I agree. I think it's very important that residents adhere to our processes and our permit rigor and that they include their neighbors and involve neighbor input. This seems like a very complex situation. that's gone on for two years, and I wish I'd had more time, actually, to review the late mail that I have here in front of me. And I appreciated hearing from the neighbor's attorney this evening because it provided a little bit more context. So I think that if we were to go with Mayor Weiner's suggestion of the permit fees, that we include the requirement that the neighbors, there is outreach with the neighbors in the process for permit, Thank you. the requirement that the neighbors, there is outreach with the neighbors in the process for comment and to kind of respect and keep that channel of communication going because, you know, clearly this, you know, this is like almost a little novel I'm looking at. But it's legitimate. There are legitimate concerns. So I just want to make sure that if we go forward with with the permit fees that we involve the neighbors in that process too, in the feedback. |
| 00:54:56.38 | Unknown | Okay, let me also add to this that what I had mentioned in the numbers that I put forward, that in the future if we don't go forward and there is some problems that don't come back to us again, to see if we would be willing to take off the citations of the late penalties because there will be no issue for that from this point forward. So I want to just add that to it. And each one of these is done on an individual basis, so we really don't set precedents. We've had others. The last one that we had was harmonia, and we denied that. So it isn't setting a precedence. It's just trying to move a project that's been going on now for two years, two and a half years ahead, and be fair as much as we can to our residents here. So, that's my thought. Anybody else have, you know, you throw it off. |
| 00:56:12.70 | Thomas Theodores | Well, you know, I mean, |
| 00:56:12.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:56:14.88 | Thomas Theodores | I don't just want to repeat what I previously said, but you know, when somebody gets a $100 administrative citation after previously getting a compliance order, or whatever it's called, Okay. And... They don't. have a conversation with somebody in the city to try and resolve the problem and then they Another one. and then there's no conversation, and then they get another one. I mean, what's the, what's the, what message are we sending if we actually waive the very tool we're using to try and provide People to be compliant. I just can't get comfortable with waiving citation fees when they're doing their job. But... So unless I'm missing something, |
| 00:57:15.34 | Unknown | Uh, Ms. Mayor, I guess I, I, I, like I said, it's kind of a complex two-year case, and I'm still getting... my head wrapped around the sequence of events. But at some point it sounded like there was perhaps a |
| 00:57:35.29 | Erin Wilson | Yay. |
| 00:57:36.27 | Unknown | misunderstanding, or maybe staff could respond to this, a miscommunication with respect to meeting certain criteria or meeting certain guidelines. I don't know. I guess it's just a question. |
| 00:57:49.95 | Unknown | All right, well, what do you want to... Well, first of all, we have a choice. We either deny it or we come up with some compromising number that's up to us as a council. So I would invite some other suggestions or what direction we want to go because we're making comments up here now. |
| 00:58:15.32 | Unknown | The only thing, I mean, I'm certainly, I certainly want something to work out, but I tend to agree with you. Unless we have some rational basis, otherwise every time someone comes and there are penalties, they come and say, well, have some compassion. I mean, if there's not any reason for it, then there's no holding for it. I think we have some problem. I can, on a very small part of it, I can certainly find some reason that we can, but that's a very small number. I'm willing to do that, but I don't find the case particularly complicated because when it went in, the code enforcement, it's not a very complicated case. It's gone out for two years. And then eventually, I'm a little surprised that it's not quite plans on the plan yet, so I'm even reluctant to, you know, even deal with this until we know that it's a complaint window. |
| 00:58:23.08 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Thank you. |
| 00:59:07.97 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, if I may respond, I think it's a good point. It seems so simple. I mean, we're talking about a window, and yet reading the different perspectives as to what happened, that's what I was referring to with respect to complex. But I do concur. I hear what you're saying with respect to Councilmember Theodora's comment that we don't yet have closure. We don't yet know if this is the end. What? |
| 00:59:39.66 | Thomas Theodores | but |
| 00:59:39.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:59:40.01 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:59:40.03 | Unknown | It still goes back to a window. |
| 00:59:42.04 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, but there won't be an end unless you send a message that you're not waiving citation fees. because if we waive the fees, OK. We have no idea whether the applicant is going to come back with a set of plans that can get through our plan checkers. And so we may be forced to issue another citation. And so then what happens? We've already waived a bunch of citations, and then we issue another one. Who's going to pay that? |
| 01:00:13.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:13.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:13.73 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 01:00:13.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:14.03 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:00:14.17 | Unknown | Excuse me. That's why I said it. |
| 01:00:16.56 | Thomas Theodores | Uh, |
| 01:00:17.03 | Unknown | to go forward. |
| 01:00:17.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:17.96 | Unknown | Thank you. May I make a suggestion that we give this authority to, I'm just going to say in general terms, we turn this over to staff, that we hold in advance this request for reduction of fees, that staff works with the applicant to make sure that we finally get approval of an application, and all those fees are paid, including, as the mayor said, the initial fees. And then at that time, I would also take a step further rather than bringing it back that I'd give authorized staff to have discretion to work out a compromise with the applicant on what the fee should be. |
| 01:00:19.03 | Unknown | Hey. |
| 01:00:25.49 | Unknown | YOU CAN SAY IN DENTAL TERMS, |
| 01:00:27.14 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. We hold it. |
| 01:01:02.14 | Unknown | That's my situation. |
| 01:01:02.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:03.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:03.44 | Unknown | you |
| 01:01:04.86 | Unknown | because I'd like to see this together. I would not like to wait these and not have anything, and prematurely, and then not see the result. |
| 01:01:04.89 | Unknown | Because I'd like to see this together. I would not like to... |
| 01:01:14.58 | Adam Politzer | Staff would look for some direction on the range of amount of fee to be waived, from 100% to something all the way up to 100%. So we need to know... |
| 01:01:18.98 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:01:29.73 | Unknown | for that week. |
| 01:01:30.16 | Unknown | to be decided, given the impression that- Well, what I'm hearing is that you're asking |
| 01:01:32.20 | Adam Politzer | Well, what I'm hearing is that you're asking to make sure that we get a complete set of plans that have been reviewed and we can issue the permit. And when we have those, then based on continued discussion, if you want to give us some parameters. But that is why we're in front of the council tonight for them to make the recommendation on what level of fee, if any, be waived. |
| 01:01:34.56 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:01:54.34 | Unknown | Thank you. I'll go back to what I said before, providing that we put in there that there will be penalties for the work without a permit, and that's $640. dollars and paying the building for a thousand three one and if it's not completed or not done in a proper time, then all of these fines and penalties kick in. |
| 01:02:29.69 | Unknown | And I also think the to add to that is that the neighbors work together, that there's outreach to the neighbors. Thank you. |
| 01:02:38.92 | Unknown | Well, that's up to them. I mean, we only can hope that they finally communicate with each other, usually when it gets at this point in time. I don't think each one of them is opening up the windows next to each other and saying they want. |
| 01:02:41.74 | Unknown | I think we only do that. |
| 01:02:55.39 | Unknown | . |
| 01:02:56.28 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:03:00.91 | Unknown | So that's my recommendation. Are we looking for others or are we You want to go forward and give Adam the authority to, if this is all taken, if the building permit is paid and the windows go through the procedure, like we're being told, then that would be a good. |
| 01:03:31.97 | Adam Politzer | you can't get yeah I think yeah I mean respectfully I think that you will end up putting staff in a in an awkward position and if I'm the neighbors then do I appeal staff decision back to the council if we waive any amount you know so it may be back at the council level and no matter what you know what what we do if you kick it back to the staff but I'm willing to work on it if that's |
| 01:04:02.03 | Unknown | the entire council it's only one suggestion out of five so is there anybody else that would |
| 01:04:10.03 | Ray Withy | I don't know. forward you know I'm going to abstain from this one because our families are friendly and that's right went to school together and I respect what I'm saying very much so but I also understand where the community is so |
| 01:04:19.51 | Unknown | That's right. |
| 01:04:29.86 | Unknown | And it isn't like you did yet, no. |
| 01:04:31.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:04:32.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:04:32.08 | Ray Withy | Good night. |
| 01:04:32.98 | Unknown | That's enough. |
| 01:04:33.23 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:04:34.53 | Unknown | And I have to say, Mr. Mayor, as I'm reflecting, I know both parties. And I'm thinking that I, with respect to, I think perhaps I should abstain as well. Because I do know both parties. |
| 01:04:52.30 | Unknown | I know that, but this is our job, and this is our job up here, is to either deny it, come up with a number, |
| 01:04:52.99 | Unknown | Thank you. I will. |
| 01:05:02.81 | Unknown | That's what we're here for. |
| 01:05:06.14 | Unknown | I just want to. |
| 01:05:08.75 | Ray Withy | I know if you need a compromise. I would give them a very short timeframe to bring it into compliance and actually implement. It's a window. It doesn't take long to do it. So give them a very short time. If you want to waive fees, which I'm not taking a view on, and if they do that and it comes to compliance and it's implemented within a very short period of time, a reasonable period of time, but a short period of time, then if it isn't, then you trigger that whatever you did decide to do goes back to the original mouth but I wouldn't wave anything yet and here I am speaking until the things done because you don't know what you're waiting so that's what I was your point yes |
| 01:05:35.91 | Adam Politzer | whatever, all this stuff. |
| 01:05:46.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:05:46.16 | Adam Politzer | Yes, I decided you're making it a condition. And that's OK. And maybe we can ask the applicant this question. It's my understanding that the work is actually completed, that the window has been installed, and it's just the paperwork that has been. I don't know if that's a little bit here. |
| 01:05:50.45 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:06:06.16 | Unknown | Let it go. Thank you. |
| 01:06:14.36 | Jeremy Gray | Carolyn. The issue with this window is that the house is, I believe, two feet off the property line. And the building code says that anything within three feet of the property line has to be fire rated. It has to be able to stand a fire for a certain period of time. Glass does not do that. So you have to do something to make the glass last longer in a fire situation. And so the proposal that has been put together by Don Olson, correct me if I'm wrong, Don, is that the window right now is a standard window that is even with the surface of the house. The plans that you've submitted, Don, I understand, show the window to be inset a certain distance so that it is a total of that surface of the window is a total from three feet from the property line. And this complies with the building code. So the construction will have to, a portion of the construction will have to be redone to move the window inside after it finally gets to the point where it can be approved. I want to add another aspect to the approval process here is that, as the council recalls, all building permits require a zoning permit. But we're not ready to issue the zoning permit yet. The zoning permit is the situation in which a neighbor can appeal the staff's decision Thank you. the zoning permit is the situation in which a neighbor can appeal the staff's decision to approve a zoning permit for the project. It would not be beyond possibility if some of the neighbors were to appeal the planning staff's decision to approve a zoning permit for this. That appeal would go to the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission would use the same standard, and so the type of issues that would become apparent that might come up in such a discussion would be privacy, views, light, things along that line. From the staff perspective, Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:08:22.56 | Jeremy Gray | window does not trip any of those. But we haven't seen everything yet. So while I think they're close to compliance with the building code, we may not be at the end of the process for this project. I know it's a good question. |
| 01:08:43.37 | Thomas Theodores | So it seems that if you've got the situation where until this is resolved we don't we wouldn't even know what we were waving right maybe this needs does need to come back maybe this does need to play out I We've got, if this has the potential of needing to go in front of the planning commission, I think it should go through that process. |
| 01:09:13.46 | Unknown | Well, in our interest of time, because we certainly want to get through this again, and it is a window. What I would propose, because we do have some differences of opinion on, particularly the fines, what I would propose is that we certainly make whatever decision we're going to make contingent on compliance with everything and paying all other fees other than this $1,500 in fines. So that would have to be contingent, our decision is contingent on that. But also since we have a disagreement on council from waiving all to waiving none, I would say that we waive half of them. And that's, you know, it's a little difficult to say, you know, they missed all the, you know, all the deadlines and we're going to waive all the penalties. So I think it's somewhat of a compromise to say that. But I would want to make sure that it's contingent upon this final approval and that any other fees, including Sony fees, are all taken care of and we wouldn't even entertain anything on that order and we're just dealing with this. Because I don't think, I think we should all try to move on. I hate to see what's coming to play. |
| 01:09:17.14 | Unknown | back again. |
| 01:09:22.55 | Unknown | What I got to do. |
| 01:09:23.03 | Adam Politzer | for |
| 01:09:23.28 | Unknown | Oh, it's cool. |
| 01:09:23.78 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:09:24.70 | Unknown | What I did. |
| 01:09:43.55 | Unknown | but also, |
| 01:10:23.86 | Adam Politzer | just for clarification if I did so you're recommending that they pay the permit fees which the mayor suggested total a thousand thirty-one and then they pay half of the fines and penalties which have totaled $1,500 so that be 750 |
| 01:10:23.88 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. for fair vacation. |
| 01:10:44.33 | Unknown | Well, what I calculate here is, look, he's got to pay the building permit separate. That has to be paid anyway. So if you take the fees of $640 and the $1,500, then you're at $2140. And you're saying split it down and make it $1020. Well, no. |
| 01:11:01.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:01.42 | Ray Withy | Well, do you want to click back to your chart, Jeremy? |
| 01:11:04.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:04.16 | Unknown | No, the numbers are filling permits here. But I'm saying the building permit. I'm just saying if you take the penalty and try to work without a permit and all the fines and penalties and add that mock permit. |
| 01:11:04.29 | Unknown | No. but I'm saying the bill is fine. |
| 01:11:07.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:11:08.17 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 01:11:16.04 | Ray Withy | You're getting a little lost in math. I think what Hurst's proposing is to pay all the fees. Some are already paid on this page. And I think what you're proposing is to waive half of the other fees. Yeah, half of it. |
| 01:11:17.94 | Unknown | I think what her |
| 01:11:23.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:23.75 | Unknown | On this page. |
| 01:11:25.03 | Unknown | And I think what you're proposing |
| 01:11:26.10 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:11:26.11 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:11:28.12 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:11:29.34 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:11:29.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:29.49 | Ray Withy | you |
| 01:11:29.72 | Unknown | half of the other positions |
| 01:11:31.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:31.09 | Unknown | So you're... |
| 01:11:31.14 | Unknown | So your proposals wait half the fees for the final... |
| 01:11:31.55 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:11:31.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:31.66 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:11:34.04 | Unknown | So they pay 70. as a post-sum-adjusted income. |
| 01:11:38.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:38.41 | Unknown | . And by the way, I would make a contingent upon all this done. And if there's noncompliance, that we can go back and impose this. Because I think we really want to make sure the applicant, this is all complete and they follow the process of the... |
| 01:11:53.35 | Unknown | What time frame are we talking about? Three months, six months? Whatever. You can't call that because the Planning Commission is done. |
| 01:11:55.34 | Unknown | And... |
| 01:11:58.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:59.00 | Jeremy Gray | No, I agree. Thank you. |
| 01:12:01.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:01.63 | Jeremy Gray | Well, no, it's accurate that the ball has been the applicant's court. The ball has been the applicant's court for probably all of it except for three weeks over the last two years. |
| 01:12:01.65 | Unknown | Well, no. |
| 01:12:12.30 | Don Olson | Well, I'm assuming I haven't seen whatever this new piece has been described to us, but we'd certainly take care of it in a day, I would think. It seems like it must be 15 minutes because we... Well, it's not all about you. |
| 01:12:26.66 | Unknown | West at home, Roger. |
| 01:12:29.21 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Alright. Each time the third party review the project, they can do more paperwork to do. So, the third time they can do more paperwork, this is never going to end. And the other suggestion, I have been in contact with the city of San Antonio since they gave me the first violation. I have proved to show that. And if necessary, I will bring all the documentation. But from the first day I contacted them, I have been talking to everybody. But as I told before, I am willing to forgive everything and move forward in the right direction with everybody. Everybody made a mistake. We are human. Thank you. |
| 01:13:12.05 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:13:12.41 | Unknown | If I just may, I do feel that it's I do know both parties, and so I feel like I should abstain. I feel that we need resolution, but at the same time, it's important that, and I know when I said the neighbors need to talk with each other, I know that's hard to do, but I do think that you have a neighbor. I haven't had the time to read this late mail, but clearly they have input and comments. And so I just think that that needs to be part of, so that the Garcia homemates have closure too. So I think that needs to be a problem. |
| 01:14:03.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:03.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:03.83 | Unknown | We should. Bye. When was the last time you spoke to Mr. Chase? Thank you. |
| 01:14:11.47 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Sorry. When I called the police, he was arresting my family two years ago. Thank you. |
| 01:14:18.96 | Unknown | That's going to happen. |
| 01:14:19.94 | Jose Garcia-Holman | OK. Thank you. |
| 01:14:24.58 | Unknown | Okay. Well, Tom, that was my proposal. Okay, ready? I guess it's just us, because it's too abstain. I might abstain, it's kind of a hard case. I |
| 01:14:37.96 | Thomas Theodores | I'm not. |
| 01:14:38.18 | Unknown | No. |
| 01:14:39.03 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Yeah. |
| 01:14:39.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:39.23 | Thomas Theodores | Why don't we all abstain, you know? |
| 01:14:39.26 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Why don't we all have to stay, you know? |
| 01:14:42.47 | Adam Politzer | So, |
| 01:14:47.13 | Unknown | It's not fair enough. Thank you. |
| 01:14:49.68 | Jose Garcia-Holman | All right. Well, while I've got. |
| 01:14:49.74 | Unknown | Well, that was my proposal, I think. |
| 01:14:54.97 | Unknown | That's enough. Can we live with that? And also have it that all of this will kick in when this is completed and there is a building permit. |
| 01:15:10.48 | Unknown | Well. |
| 01:15:10.60 | Unknown | Well, and put some kind of a date on it, a time frame, and if not, all these other things kick back in. |
| 01:15:19.22 | Thomas Theodores | So why don't we just go redo our schedule and have our fees for citations? You know, I mean. But I can go along with it if that's the general consensus, just to get this done. |
| 01:15:25.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:15:25.35 | Unknown | you |
| 01:15:25.40 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:15:26.89 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:15:27.14 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 01:15:27.22 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:15:33.70 | Adam Politzer | Oh. Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.04 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.24 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.28 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.48 | Adam Politzer | I said, I guess a little bit. Go ahead. So I want to reiterate, I just want to be clear on the dollar amounts. We're talking about the permit fees are $1,031 and the... That's additional. That's in addition to what we're paying. Yeah, in addition to what we're paying. And then the fines and penalties would be $750 instead of $1,500. |
| 01:15:34.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.75 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:15:34.87 | Unknown | said. |
| 01:15:35.73 | Thomas Theodores | Absolutely. |
| 01:15:36.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:50.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:50.80 | Don Olson | Thank you. |
| 01:15:51.03 | Unknown | Yes, sir. |
| 01:15:51.94 | Don Olson | Amen. |
| 01:16:07.08 | Unknown | And it would all be contingent upon compliance and paying of all additional fees or we're not going outweaving the additional, you know, we're forgiving 750 that's contingent about everything being paid and this project being completed properly. |
| 01:16:14.03 | Unknown | you |
| 01:16:14.22 | Unknown | have a |
| 01:16:14.49 | Unknown | out. |
| 01:16:23.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:24.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:24.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:24.34 | Unknown | and we'll come. |
| 01:16:24.97 | Unknown | of a time-training. |
| 01:16:26.12 | Unknown | I would leave that to stuff. I'm not personally concerned about it. I would leave that to. And there are some things they have to deal with CSG, they have to deal with time. And I don't know if I still. |
| 01:16:26.35 | Unknown | I believe that's Person. AND THERE'S Thank you. |
| 01:16:39.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:39.73 | Ray Withy | on it. |
| 01:16:40.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:40.29 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I'm not voting on this, but you might want to put some time frames in, and if it's taken into account that maybe appeal and how you deal with that, because the, you know, |
| 01:16:40.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:40.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:52.41 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. Like some sad thoughts? Okay. |
| 01:16:55.66 | Ray Withy | just from a process standpoint. |
| 01:16:56.83 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. So assuming, you know, appeal to the Planning Commission, and assuming, say the planes were approved today, from a construction perspective, how long would it take to reconfigure the wind belt thing in several weeks? To reconfigure the window? Yeah, to do the construction on the window. To construct the reconfigured window. I'm thinking, to be generous, I'm thinking of four weeks. There should be plenty of time to do that. |
| 01:17:17.87 | Don Olson | figure in the window |
| 01:17:31.34 | Don Olson | Well, the only thing that would come into play that could give some difficulty would be lack of being able to get the window in time. And I don't know whether we have the window or it's been ordered. No, is it the same window that's in there? I'm not sure what you're playing. No, no. There was a window there and we're replacing the window. |
| 01:17:43.47 | Jeremy Gray | No. Bye. So, |
| 01:17:52.94 | Jose Garcia-Holman | when you're waiting for her to permit something and order the water. And then we are able to give permission for water |
| 01:17:57.36 | Don Olson | I think we are unable to give permission for water. It's excessive, but it could be. Well, I mean, you've been working for success. |
| 01:18:01.04 | Jeremy Gray | I'm sorry. |
| 01:18:01.63 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Thank you. |
| 01:18:03.35 | Jeremy Gray | Well, I'm looking for success. So would eight weeks be as what time would say it definitely is? |
| 01:18:09.97 | Unknown | May I ask you a question? It's me. I mean, the neighbors have brought a lawyer here, so this is uncertain and unusual. Is there likely to be an appeal, or can anyone else be involved in the process? Because that needs to slow down the... |
| 01:18:12.02 | Jeremy Gray | Amen. |
| 01:18:23.06 | Jeremy Gray | Well, I'm trying to distinguish, assuming no appeal, how long from the time the building plans are approved to the time the window is installed and the final has been achieved. I hear eight weeks would be plenty of time. So I'm giving plenty of cushion there. Now, any time that that, any appeal time would be on top of that. |
| 01:18:23.09 | Unknown | Well, I'm trying to |
| 01:18:38.85 | Unknown | Oh, yeah. |
| 01:18:41.47 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:18:47.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:47.87 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 01:18:47.97 | Unknown | My question is, and hopefully you're taking eight weeks, but you're talking November, December, you're at the holiday times and things like that. Is it possible maybe we should continue this and put this together? |
| 01:19:05.36 | Jeremy Gray | I'm not worried about the weather, if we have a storm, |
| 01:19:09.87 | Unknown | No, but I'm |
| 01:19:09.90 | Jeremy Gray | No, but I'm... Yeah. |
| 01:19:10.97 | Unknown | about the coordination of all of these things that we need. |
| 01:19:14.56 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 01:19:15.03 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 01:19:15.19 | Unknown | No. |
| 01:19:15.96 | Adam Politzer | yeah I would I would agree with Jeremy I think what we're asking to the action for you tonight is if you grant them a waiver of half the fine to penalty fee that before they're issued their permit to do the work that their plans have made it through the process and they pay the 1781 and then they can then they can do the work if they get a field and that's additional time additional The clock is stopped. Yeah, the clock is stopped. 1781 and then they can then they can do the work if they get a field and that's additional time additional stop clock stop yeah the clock stop because that's not in their control before we issue the permit they pay what would you decide is fair they finish with CSG get their building permit and then the process evolves from there so let's make it 12 weeks |
| 01:20:02.99 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:20:03.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:03.80 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:20:03.82 | Unknown | Can I do a bowl? I think so. We want to make sure that we're going to go out. |
| 01:20:04.49 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:20:07.95 | Unknown | We want to make sure that we have 12 weeks. We really don't want to have time on. |
| 01:20:11.95 | Unknown | We really got one of our time. |
| 01:20:13.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:13.96 | Unknown | I know. Yeah. |
| 01:20:15.70 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:20:15.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:15.97 | Unknown | aware. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:20:19.97 | Ray Withy | you So you get a real speaker, and I'll just get this a little unclear, as far as I can find. OK, well, I'll hand it over. And just given where it's gone since you made it originally. |
| 01:20:26.97 | Unknown | given where it's gone. Well, but basically we're dealing with an appeal of the fees that, of the penalties. And I'm basically saying that the applicant would pay all the building fees, including the additional 50%. Do we call those penalties on that fee, which turned out to be $1,033? Was that? So, $1,033. Stay away from the numbers. It's just saying to work without permit fees. To work without permit fees. And then the fines and penalties, the $1,500 in fines and penalties, they would pay $750 of that fee. All of this is contingent upon that the work being finalized and approved and all fees, additional fees that are incurred are paid, otherwise we may revisit this. And then the time would be 12 weeks unless it's appeal |
| 01:20:46.92 | Ray Withy | A thousand days. Stay away from the numbers. Just say they work without a permanent fee. |
| 01:21:13.55 | Don Olson | And then |
| 01:21:14.43 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:21:17.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:21:18.04 | Unknown | unless there's a deal which time is cost up for anything that's not really in control, but any appeal process. |
| 01:21:18.15 | Unknown | unless there's an appeal. |
| 01:21:25.02 | Ray Withy | Is that cover it? You may want to just tweak your language so that it's not, you may have just said you're not, if it doesn't happen in that timeframe, as long as it's not from the summer team or somebody driving, just give it a, so they know what their timeframe is, you know what your timeframe is. |
| 01:21:36.28 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:21:36.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:21:36.33 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:21:36.70 | Unknown | as long as it's not for the summer people |
| 01:21:42.51 | Unknown | Or you have to pay all the fines and expenses. Everything comes back. Okay? Is that enough staff? |
| 01:21:50.98 | Unknown | Did we have that? Direction? All right, yes. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you. Okay. We're free to go. Yes, you are. Great. Thanks so much. Okay, the next item is the library update. |
| 01:21:53.00 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:22:02.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:13.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:13.98 | Unknown | TO GET AFTER THE LIBRARY. |
| 01:22:15.12 | Don Olson | Thank you. |
| 01:22:15.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:15.61 | Don Olson | Thank you. |
| 01:22:21.39 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:22:23.07 | Don Olson | Thank you. |
| 01:22:23.09 | Unknown | Faithless. |
| 01:22:24.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:24.32 | Ray Withy | Thank you. you |
| 01:22:36.51 | Ray Withy | AND SO HE COULD HAVE IT RIGHT INTO THE here while it's still done so it's before unless it's up to him |
| 01:22:42.80 | Unknown | Unless it's up to him. He's also back. |
| 01:22:45.48 | Ray Withy | Oh, he is? A year and a year for a duration? Not that anymore. Oh, okay. |
| 01:22:46.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:46.24 | Unknown | Your duration. |
| 01:22:47.31 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | Thank you. |
| 01:22:47.41 | Unknown | Thank you. Hehehehe. I didn't set this to agenda. At least the agenda. |
| 01:22:52.27 | Ray Withy | I didn't set the stage. It's a stage. |
| 01:22:54.97 | Unknown | No, Charlie. |
| 01:22:59.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:23:08.97 | Ray Withy | So why do you want to tear down the library? I really don't understand. It's all digital and you have no. |
| 01:23:12.28 | Unknown | It's all digital. And you let it go. You let it go. Before I started, when everyone's cleared their minds, the windows, the keys. We're not even talking about library keys at all. |
| 01:23:18.68 | Ray Withy | I'm not. |
| 01:23:18.96 | Unknown | Windows, these. We're not even talking about libraries using it at all. Well, we are talking about women. |
| 01:23:26.71 | Unknown | There will be some mention windows before. I'm trying to keep it from being controversial. Just keep it 10 feet away. All right. Well, good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. I'm here tonight to give you a library update. This is one of our periodic updates, just to let you know what we've been up to. I will be giving you sort of a big picture update with a focus on adult library services and our children's librarian, Erin Wilson, is here tonight. And she'll be talking about children's services. Last time I was here before you was soon after we completed the remodel in the spring. And I'm pleased to be able to report to you that all of the major components of the remodel have either met or exceeded our expectations. The enclosed children's space, the new service desk with separate stations for circulation and reference, our new computer center, and looking in the center of the image there, our new display shelves, we're featuring our new computer center. And looking in the center of the image there, our new display shelves, where we're featuring our new books and best-seller DVDs and books. |
| 01:24:38.60 | Ray Withy | Can I say we have to get one of these in the city council room? It is so much better than that projector. |
| 01:24:38.66 | Unknown | Nice to meet you. We had. |
| 01:24:41.24 | Unknown | So much better. |
| 01:24:41.97 | Unknown | Look at that projector. |
| 01:24:42.78 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:24:45.24 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry. Well, we have the key here so we can always shift it over. No, you gave these things. These things are gone. They're going to the fire department now. |
| 01:24:45.28 | Unknown | Sorry, sorry, sorry. Thank you. |
| 01:24:52.25 | Unknown | Bye. Yeah. It's a little harder for us. I'm pleased to say also that our circulation, the circulation of library materials has also gone up. We're up 32% since 2011. That's particularly increased since the remodel concluded. So it looks like the decisions we made about the layout are paying off and we're seeing more people in the community coming in to use the library. We're also in the process of putting some finishing touches on the remodel vote. One of those finishing touches is new signage. Currently, there's a lot of temporary signage up around the library. I've been working with Richard Graff of Ace Design here in Sausalito. This is an example of one of the plans that he has that's in the works for us. These these are signs, basically caps, that will go on top of our display shelves. We're hoping to move to fabrication of these pieces within the next few months. |
| 01:24:55.74 | Ray Withy | I'm pleased to say also that |
| 01:25:47.40 | Unknown | We've also been doing a lot of work in our book stacks. You may recall a few years ago, if you went into the library, the stacks were just crammed with books, and you'd walk into one of the aisles of books and feel like you were in a canyon, and books were blooming over you. We made a big effort to remove worn-out copies of books, create some extra space on the shelves, so there's a little breathing room. We also made an effort to have more books facing outwards so that there's more of a browsing experience, a little bit more, at least a little more fun to be wandering around the library. Another example of finishing touch that we've put and we're very proud of is our new children's step stool. This is Evit modeling the stool for us. And what it means is that kids can come into the library, they can get their books, and instead of standing beneath the circulation desk and looking up at that big adult, they can climb right up to their level and go through the entire process and the pleasure of that library transaction. It's been really fun to watch the kids use it. |
| 01:26:39.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:39.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:39.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:50.91 | Unknown | We have a new staff member. A couple months ago, I was here before you introducing Ed Bendison. I'm pleased to report that he is doing fabulously well. He spends about half of his time working out in the circulation desk, as you see him here. The other half of the time, he's working in staff work on processing materials. But we're delighted, and we think we're really not going out of the park. We'll see also in the background of this photo, the other two full-time library staff members, Arnie Webb and Penny Gill. |
| 01:26:58.15 | Unknown | you to it. Thank you. |
| 01:27:13.64 | Unknown | also in the background. |
| 01:27:20.73 | Unknown | We've been putting a big episode on new programs, and this is a picture from a recent Sausalito People event. This is a program series that we've been running for the last seven weeks. We're actually coming up on the last week, this Friday, with an ultra runner, David Ronsky, who will be talking about his 200-mile run in the Alps. But in this instance, we have Mark and Doreen Gunnar. They were here a few weeks ago talking about their around-the-world voyage with their family. And you'll see in the second slide that we had over 110 people for the event. Previous week, we did a screening of Marianne Dolan's House Boat Wars, her documentary. And we had 145 people in the library. Do you recall that? Firehound. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. House Boat Wars, her documentary, and we had 145 people in the library. You'll recall that... I'm just kidding. You'll recall that the shooting hall is the old school building, and the library was the auditorium, and with the new mobile shelving that we have, it's kind of magical to be able to push those shelves out of the way and recreate this theater environment. If you look closely, you may actually see Councilman Theodore in the audience here. But we're planning to continue doing these types of programs after our office at the library. We've also been putting a big emphasis on collaboration with local organizations. These are some of the organizations that we're either actively working with now or are planning to work with. To give you one example, the Sausalito Village, we have a program coming up this Thursday that they're co-sponsoring, actually also with Age Friendly Sausalito. It's a woman who will be talking about learning new artistic skills in your older years, learning to play violin, paint, write. We're also working with Sassadio Village and consulting with them on a new homebound delivery service that we're offering, where library volunteers will bring books and other materials to people who are homebound. We've been focusing on technology. We have a new website. The old library website, you may recall, was buried within the city of Sausalito's navigational framework. And having our own homepage gives us the opportunity to better highlight our resources and the programs that we have coming up. We've also been making a big push in social media. We have a presence on Facebook, on Twitter, on Google+. Our Facebook page in particular has been very popular. We have over 705 people now following us. And just to give you an example, the kinds of things we'll post, pictures of recent programs. This is a woman who was talking about wildlife in Sauc Cevito recently. Local history. So this is an old photo of the mural that was, again, recently uncovered on the B&A building. |
| 01:30:14.31 | Unknown | cover Amen. |
| 01:30:16.64 | Unknown | And then I believe that |
| 01:30:17.97 | Unknown | I believe the wording on that I've been told is that the bigger letters say Sausalito. I should say the smaller letters say Sausalito and the bigger letters say Bank of America. |
| 01:30:26.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:30.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:31.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:32.13 | Unknown | Thank you. information. |
| 01:30:34.09 | Unknown | And then we're also posting quiet library scenes or other things that are happening within the library. This is another way for us to reach out to the community, build a sense of community, and let people know what we're up to to get more people coming into the library. So just to conclude, and before I have Aaron come off, let me just tell you a little bit about some other things that we have in the works. We're planning a couple of different library card drives to build up the number of people in the community who have library cards and build up usage of library cards. We're looking at creating some new book discussion groups. We're looking at experimenting with art exhibits inside the library. I've been consulting with a couple of local artists about how we might do this. And you saw what we were doing with the theater setup, and we'd like to experiment with the film series, possibly beginning with featuring films that have a soft studio angle. So with that, I'd like to have Aaron Millicent come up, our children's letter. |
| 01:31:42.55 | Erin Wilson | Yeah. Oh. Hello, thank you. Glad to be here. Just for, I'm going to tell you about what has been happening in children's services and a little bit about what's coming up next. And just for some context, I am responsible for all children's and young adult materials and programs, so that's infants up through high school. And in Faustalito, as of 2010, there was about 650 people. As you can see, SKU is very young on the slide. |
| 01:32:23.98 | Erin Wilson | Yeah. Thank you. has the largest number of Salas Canelo residents, about 132, according to them. But what I've seen is that you're |
| 01:32:31.40 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | Thank you. |
| 01:32:32.40 | Unknown | Don't forget the public school team. |
| 01:32:34.07 | Erin Wilson | And Bayside, yes, which is not within South Sweden. But there are a couple kids from South Sweden who still go to Bayside. Absolutely. The Lise and Green Village, even though they don't have as many South St. residents, their families have actually been coming to the library for a moment. The thing is they spend time here for school, they start to think about us as the community as well. Okay. |
| 01:32:34.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:57.79 | Erin Wilson | So what have we been doing this last year? Just like the adults, we've been settling into our new space. On the left, there's a photo of the adult side view, coming down from the mezzanine, which features the window, which is the wall that keeps the noise in the children's area, the quiet out, whichever way you want to think about it. We get a lot of feedback from families saying, thank you for taking us into consideration and building the wall. And then adults say, thank you for considering building the wall. So it would be a great example. Whenever I'm doing stuff for kids, I like to try to get their perspective on it so I get down on my knees and take a look at the room. And you can speak to their perspective. It's warm and welcoming. There's furniture that they'll feel comfortable with. Bright books. It's a place that looks inviting. |
| 01:33:38.29 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:33:49.67 | Erin Wilson | We also have the children's nonfiction alcove, which is owned by the elevator. So it's got folk and fairy tales and graphic novels and dinosaurs. It also has some comfortable seating and an iPad with kids' books and applications and things like that. And I did not stage this, but it does illustrate something I think is really important, which is kids are drawn over there for the iPad, but then they are following up with the nonfiction books as well, which can be a little bit of a tougher sell. |
| 01:33:57.68 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | you |
| 01:34:20.06 | Erin Wilson | During the year, we have a lot of programs. Our biggest effort goes into the summer meeting program, this year. Between the end of school and the beginning of school, there can be significant learning loss for kids. And one of the ways to combat that is to keep them engaged with books and books at the library. So for eight weeks this summer, we had roughly seven programs a week, everything from performances like Puppy Locks and the three bears, which is awesome. And then we have hands-off events. You can see like a fish decorating thing there. We also do prizes for reading forms. We get stamps, et cetera. It really makes a great difference. We do other kinds of programs during the year. We have two story times. Toddler story time is up there. At the end of it, they all get stamps. So it becomes a recess and a stamp. We also had our second annual International Talk Like a Pirate Day. That is our Festival Library pirate flag. This year we had a live fencing demo, and they decorated hats, and it was really fun. And we had our first, we plan to do it again, so first annual. |
| 01:35:03.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:11.27 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:35:18.01 | Unknown | That is our association. |
| 01:35:21.70 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:35:32.15 | Erin Wilson | Yeah. |
| 01:35:32.45 | Ray Withy | No, I'm just kidding. you Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. |
| 01:35:39.20 | Erin Wilson | Baby. |
| 01:35:39.47 | Unknown | I wanted you to get the point. Okay. |
| 01:35:42.31 | Erin Wilson | Bye. |
| 01:35:42.37 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:35:42.39 | Erin Wilson | Oh. |
| 01:35:42.46 | Unknown | Oh. Thank you. |
| 01:35:42.76 | Erin Wilson | That I... Thank you. Happy birthday. Thank you. Thank you. We had fairy food. We had pixie kisses, which are meringues, and twigs, pretzels, et cetera. And then afterwards, they went to the hotel, Thank you. and I think, |
| 01:36:02.98 | Erin Wilson | I have to say that our programs have been very well received. Um... going up and up. I can't wait to see what comes out of it. This doesn't include this. This is up to the end of FY13. So it doesn't include this summer's summer reading, most of it, which was Game Busters. So it will be great. Of course, books are the foundation of our library. And I'm proud to say Children's has beat library-wide circulation. So more and more, and Abbott's predicted out through 2014. I think it's Thank you. of library-wide circulation. So more and more, and I've been predicted out through 2014. I think it's going to be great. I'm excited because last year, our books were so disrupted by the renovation that this year we're all settled in. We have been doing a lot to collaborate with the larger community. In the past year, I actually read at Bayside four or five times during the school year, spent Friday afternoon there, and I went to all the different classes. Abed and I have already been over to Lucea and met the head of school and the librarian, and then I've been back over there again to experience some of their literacy programming. Last summer, I worked, last school year, I did an after school reading club at the Bladen Hills Club, which was on the Bayside Will Creek campus. |
| 01:36:17.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:28.65 | Unknown | memory-wise circulation. |
| 01:36:43.93 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:37:22.09 | Erin Wilson | I've been working with Lulow Creek Uh... Last year, I went into her fourth grade and interviewed each of the fourth graders individually and came up with an individual reading list for each of them. I think that was super fun for me and got great feedback from the kids and also for the teachers. So I'm hoping we'll be better this year. Also, I helped bring in some of the parent volunteers who are in the classes. New Village is really exciting. They've been using the library in a way that I think is a great model for the way we can interact with all the schools. They're a small school. They're very interested in learning and literacy, obviously. And they don't have a library. We're definitely not enough materials to support the level of learning and research they want to be able to have happen. They've been coming to us. They've been taking our middle school and doing their research with us, which is great because we have the books and the professional experience. We can be really helpful in that way. So what's next for us? A couple great new exciting programs. Great Sausalito play date. These again are like the threes and unders. It's going to be stories and songs. And then, for example, a giant pile of shredded paper, which is the most exciting thing ever. And covering the top of the table or board with content paper, sticky side up. So like, wow, that's very exciting. Also, we've collaborated with. |
| 01:38:31.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:31.78 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | Thank you. |
| 01:38:32.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:32.14 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | Thank you. |
| 01:38:32.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:37.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:37.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:37.93 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:38:38.18 | Unknown | you |
| 01:38:38.23 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:38:41.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:41.27 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:38:41.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:41.45 | Unknown | Oh, my God. |
| 01:38:41.59 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:38:42.33 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:38:42.40 | Adam Politzer | So, |
| 01:38:42.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:43.07 | Adam Politzer | I'm sorry. |
| 01:38:43.70 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:38:47.66 | Erin Wilson | Bye. Thank you. |
| 01:38:54.80 | Erin Wilson | Thank you. That would be great. |
| 01:38:56.50 | Ray Withy | There are many limit for Lego cards. At 12. Well, shredded paper. Won't get you a Lego set for Christmas. |
| 01:38:58.29 | Erin Wilson | Thank you. |
| 01:38:59.03 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:38:59.15 | Erin Wilson | as well. |
| 01:38:59.96 | Unknown | Well, shredded paper. Don't get your Lego set for Christmas. |
| 01:39:07.07 | Ray Withy | Oh, I've got a lot of leggings. |
| 01:39:18.97 | Erin Wilson | keeping boys engaged. Because it's easy for boys to fall out of reading. It's an important gap that happens. So we're also developing the reading buddies. Kids volunteer, want to be at a meeting, and adults volunteer to be read to. It's a nice volunteer effort for kids and adults, and it really helps kids with developing their reading skills. We're adding second toddler story time because our first plan is packed. |
| 01:39:19.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:24.38 | Unknown | Thank you. Rosalind. |
| 01:39:31.05 | Unknown | you |
| 01:39:46.28 | Erin Wilson | I'm starting a parent advisory council There's a lot of very mundane things that I could use help with. What time of day should performances be? But then also setting direction, what things are missing, what kinds of outreach can I be doing? and between advisory schools, so that's middle schoolers. It's a hard age. It's easy to fall out of libraries. So it's important to keep them engaged as they get to go to high school to have more and more responsibilities in homework and sports, and et cetera. And I could actually really use the help figuring out what kinds of programs they want and helping making sure that they're really serving things. |
| 01:40:03.60 | Unknown | Yes, indeed. |
| 01:40:04.04 | Unknown | schoolers. Thank you. |
| 01:40:28.42 | Erin Wilson | And continuing what we've been doing. It's been really fun. And I think with the renovation, we've |
| 01:40:45.18 | Unknown | you Thank you. to tell you what a great job and Abbott since the day you stepped in. It's been nothing but a wonderful ride. So thank you very, very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. |
| 01:40:48.03 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 01:40:51.56 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:40:56.25 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:40:57.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:40:57.33 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I'll just say, you know, I'm the only one here with little kids, that my kids don't go to school in Sausalito, but all the word of how good the Sausalito library has become towards children has sort of permeated even outside of Sausalito. So where people used to go from Sausalito to other libraries with their kids, as is the case now with some of our parks, people are staying in Sausalito to go to the Sausalito library to interact with their kids and with the environment you folks have created. And that to me, and as you said, people are coming from other communities, whether to the private schools or what have you, or even Willow Creek where a number of the kids come from outside Sausalito. It's just that the boating with your feet, and you saw that from your circulation, is really a testament to both the adult work Thank you. Creek where a number of the kids come from outside South Salido it's just that the voting with your feet and you saw that from your circulation is really a testament to both the adult work you've done and your work on the children's side it really isn't is it you know Mary did her own thing and she's great and you have you put in different programs that are brought in more of some current themes and bringing you on board with the help of the friends and the board the trust board of trustees has really you know enlarged a lot of the library's popularity and appeal and the modern things you're pushing through making it a hub of activity as as well as just a hub of literacy. And that's great. I'm sorry to talk so long. But thank goodness for the work that you guys have done. Really appreciate it. |
| 01:42:10.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:32.18 | Unknown | Yeah, I agree. And I mean, you're doing a great job in every way. But particularly on the community involvement. I mean, the new library, having people come for these Friday night lectures, I think taking books out to the village, working with the other schools, the fact that you're going out there and you're being a hub for the community is just on top of all the other libraries. So thank you both for the great job. |
| 01:42:33.03 | Ray Withy | I agree. great job everywhere, right? |
| 01:42:55.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:55.45 | Unknown | And I will echo everything they said and add to the fact that you have expanded in new ways too with the social media. And I go on Facebook and I see the sauce at a library and I'm liking the fairy day. So much fun. And I just love the direction you're taking this. I just see nothing but more and more momentum and it's growing more and more. And I just want to thank you and join the rest of the council in thanking you so much for your heart, your focus, and your vision, because I just see this as growing and growing. Thank you. |
| 01:43:34.70 | Ray Withy | and you've expanded |
| 01:43:36.04 | Unknown | passion of what a library is. That's a good thing. Thank you. And I think I can probably speak for Aaron just to say that I'm having a great time here. It's a fabulous community to be working for and with. And I just have to pinch myself every day when I come to work. It's an honor to be working with you. I feel very happy. |
| 01:43:37.84 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:43:54.65 | Unknown | It's an honor to be working with you. I do notice that you see him when you walk down and you walk down. Thank you. Thank you. at this time hear any comments from the public? |
| 01:44:07.53 | Unknown | I'm sure Yeah. |
| 01:44:08.88 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. Good job, guys. We have about seven, eight minutes. Can we maybe tackle this issue on the moving of the consent calendar? |
| 01:44:09.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:44:10.97 | Unknown | Thank you very much. Good job. |
| 01:44:12.64 | Thomas Theodores | I'm sorry. |
| 01:44:12.66 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:44:12.67 | Thomas Theodores | guys. |
| 01:44:24.52 | Unknown | Bye. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:44:27.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:44:27.88 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 01:44:34.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay, we're back. And at this time here, we're going to... That's the previous item 4. Yeah, that's...we're moving up and that's to adopted with resolution approving an encroachment agreement to allow construction of an elevated driveway and related site improvements within the public right away. 100, Harrison. Jeremy? |
| 01:44:44.33 | Ray Withy | Yeah, that's a... |
| 01:44:45.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:04.02 | Jeremy Gray | So during the break, Vice Mayor Leon and I had a conversation and we concluded that it might be best for this item to be continued to the next meeting. And at that time, staff will bring back some additional information for the council's consideration. |
| 01:45:23.65 | Ray Withy | Yeah, and just for some clarity for that, you know, part of the findings that need be, we don't have findings for encroachment permits. It's sort of just a discretion of the council. But at the planning commission level, part of the findings that need to be made is maintenance of the kind of visual and public enjoyment of the streetscape. And this is going to be a big change on that street as far as that goes. Forget the building part, just this bridge aspect thing that's going to be built here. And I think it needs a little bit more information for us to get a full picture of what, how that would be impacted. And that's what I think the Community Development Director should do. |
| 01:45:27.38 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 01:45:42.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:46.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:52.00 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:46:06.72 | Unknown | Yeah. I remember I said we got seven minutes until nine o'clock. You could have, yes. But we took a break, we figured it out. |
| 01:46:13.75 | Ray Withy | You could have, yes. But we took a break and we figured it out. |
| 01:46:18.04 | Jeremy Gray | Okay. |
| 01:46:18.32 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:46:18.53 | Unknown | Well, I'm sorry. |
| 01:46:18.60 | Unknown | I'm a clarification. |
| 01:46:20.03 | Jeremy Gray | This has been approved by the Planning Commission. That's correct. So coming to the City Council is the final component of the project, which is the approval of an encroachment agreement. The Planning Commission makes a recommendation of the Council. |
| 01:46:31.12 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:46:31.15 | Unknown | And this will be on the calendar. We'll get a full presentation next. Yeah. |
| 01:46:32.03 | Ray Withy | And this was... |
| 01:46:32.43 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 01:46:32.48 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:46:32.50 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 01:46:35.12 | Ray Withy | Yeah, more information. We didn't have the Planning Commission packet in here. It is on the city website. A lot of additional information on that portion of the project. |
| 01:46:40.47 | Jeremy Gray | It is on the city website. A lot of additional information on that portion of the project. Thank you. |
| 01:46:45.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:46:45.16 | Jeremy Gray | Right, right. |
| 01:46:45.60 | Ray Withy | Right. And this is one that previously had gone, I don't think the HLB had re-reviewed this since the previous review and many years ago. |
| 01:46:54.17 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 01:46:54.29 | Ray Withy | if they did check. |
| 01:46:54.98 | Jeremy Gray | look at they did get an updated report on this on the structure before the planning |
| 01:46:56.16 | Ray Withy | it |
| 01:47:02.60 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:47:03.50 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 01:47:03.72 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:47:03.75 | Jeremy Gray | Okay. |
| 01:47:04.02 | Ray Withy | So I'll move to continue item 4C, now 6C, to date on certain additional. |
| 01:47:15.52 | Thomas Theodores | second. |
| 01:47:16.90 | Ray Withy | . |
| 01:47:17.25 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. We still have the up here. Next item is D, which is approved professional consultant services agreement with the regional government services authority and authorize the city manager who execute the agreement on behalf of the city. |
| 01:47:17.42 | Don Olson | Okay. |
| 01:47:18.05 | Thomas Theodores | Hi. |
| 01:47:36.03 | Jeremy Gray | Jeremy? Well, in February of this year, Associate Planner and Relation Center transferred from the Community Development Department, both to the Administrative Department as an Administrative Analyst. And then in July of this year, staff contracted with the Regional and Governmental Services Authority for an interim planner to provide staff assistance in order to assure processing of building permits, or excuse me, planning permits. The Municipal Code requires Council approval of professional service agreements which exceed $25,000. We have come to a point now where this professional service agreement will, has succeeded $25,000 due to its duration. It's anticipated that over the next nine months, the total billed amount will be approximately $100,000. The current vacant positions in the Community Development Department result in salary savings, which offset this contractual amount. Council approval of the agreement is needed. The current agreement has been provided as a copy to the SAP report. The SAP recommendation is for the council to approve the attachment to consult an agreement with the regional governmental services authority and authorize the city manager to execute the agreement on behalf of the city. That concludes our presentation. |
| 01:47:53.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:00.17 | Jeremy Gray | THANK YOU. |
| 01:49:00.97 | Unknown | Any questions at this time up here? . |
| 01:49:03.89 | Thomas Theodores | Jeremy, just for clarity, this was on the consent calendar last time, and it got pulled for presents, special presentation. Okay. |
| 01:49:05.20 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 01:49:08.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:15.07 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:49:15.53 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. I was the one who told it. And I just had a couple questions. So when Associate Planner Xinxing transferred to administration, that opened up an opportunity, presumably, for us to fill a vacant |
| 01:49:38.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:39.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:39.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:39.56 | Unknown | Uh, |
| 01:49:39.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:40.03 | Unknown | position. |
| 01:49:40.98 | Unknown | you |
| 01:49:41.03 | Unknown | in other words, |
| 01:49:41.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:42.02 | Unknown | We need to. |
| 01:49:42.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:49:43.04 | Unknown | replace that staffing. Is that a correct assumption? |
| 01:49:47.03 | Jeremy Gray | It provided an opportunity for us to look at our staffing needs. And we're working with the administration in evaluating the best way to position the opportunity that we have. And in the interim, we contract it with regional government services. So we have to continue to provide service |
| 01:50:09.55 | Unknown | Is there a reason why we didn't move forward to just replace that position, to advertise it, and to vet candidates? |
| 01:50:20.55 | Jeremy Gray | Well, soon thereafter, we also had another vacancy due to Sister Planner Allison Thornberry's departure for maternity leave. And then we were certain whether she would be returning, but then in August she announced that she just opted to resign and to be able to stay at home with her new daughter. And so since then, we have been in conversations, evaluating and making sure we can position the planning division's position so that we can provide the best service. We're also looking at other options of sharing with other local jurisdictions with our resources. |
| 01:51:10.69 | Unknown | So, So we're looking at something that was budgeted for $10,000 and it's now $100,000 for nine months. |
| 01:51:22.30 | Jeremy Gray | you |
| 01:51:22.35 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:51:22.40 | Jeremy Gray | Well, we have two vacant, in the budget for this year, we have two vacant positions that were budgeted to be filled. On a temporary basis, we are not filling those and instead using those funds for the contractual services. We have one contract planner of regional government services and a second contract planner with the M Group. |
| 01:51:22.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:51:47.84 | Unknown | Would you say that right now the planning department, in losing the associate planner, my sense is that they're in dire need for that. |
| 01:52:02.64 | Jeremy Gray | Well, it's certainly our long-term plan to fill positions with permanent city staff rather than continue on a contractual basis. But on an interim basis, this is serving our needs. |
| 01:52:17.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:52:18.64 | Jeremy Gray | Ray, do you have any questions? |
| 01:52:19.97 | Unknown | No. At this time here, any comments from the public? We'll get back here for the comments. |
| 01:52:20.16 | Thomas Theodores | No. |
| 01:52:33.93 | Unknown | I have a comment. I'm concerned that we are looking at something that is temporary. It's going to be $10,000. Now it's expanded. We're looking at up to $100,000. I would feel more comfortable if we provided guidance to staff with respect to moving forward. I mean, we're in a recession. There are a lot of people out of work looking for opportunities and employment. And I would just like to see we're not in a recession. And you and I, it sounds like we have a difference of opinion. I think we are. Well, according to the experts, we're not. And I'm not an expert. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And so to finish my comment, I would like to see the city move forward in advertising this position and getting this position filled with permanent staff. I know that our planning department is overworked and just completely up to their necks in work, and that losing an associate planner with Lily and then losing Allison, too, it's clear that there's a need here. I think that when we spend up to $100,000 and nine months on contractor fees, we're losing opportunities to pursue for current staff, and we're also losing. |
| 01:52:34.67 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:53:11.97 | Unknown | I would just like to say, Yeah. Okay. |
| 01:53:17.85 | Unknown | Sounds like a good one. Well, according to the express, we're not, and not common express. |
| 01:54:16.29 | Ray Withy | You've already lost your institution. You've had two people leave for various reasons, or transfer within the city. So whatever institution, Lily's still here. As far as Allison leaving, she's gone on to bigger and better things. As far as using consultants versus permanent employees, I think it's great the city stepping back and taking a look and see what kind of work requirements it needs to fulfill the flow of demand that comes to the counter or as code enforcement and can step back and say, okay, well, do we need to fill two positions or what have you? Or can we outsource? Can we share resources with other cities? Whether it's on plan check or whatever the case may be or or inspection or whatever, take a look at the whole department. We should do that, and this is an opportunity to take a look at it. It's not ignoring the needs of the public. It's examining the use of our own resources efficiently, and then staff it up accordingly. They're going to know what the right person to hire is and when and for what job much better than we will know up here on the city council. |
| 01:55:23.44 | Unknown | Mr. Mayer? Yes. Can you guys respond? So my comment is that when I mentioned losing institutional memory, I was referring to the fact that we've paid a consultant, we will have paid a consultant, up to $100,000 of nine months, and that consultant is going to leave, and they are taking institutional memory. That is ramp-up time that could have been spent on permanent staff staff getting to know residents, getting to know the process. So clearly, I'm referring to the ramp up that, clearly, that consultant needed to come up to speed with Sausalito's processes and policies. So that's regarding institutional memory loss. The comment I made regarding the consultant |
| 01:55:24.45 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 01:55:24.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:56:07.48 | Unknown | I guess I would feel more comfortable If I saw a plan of action and a clear timetable with respect to when a decision would be made with respect to moving forward with the staffing requirements. At the time, council went forward with this, or staff went forward with this $10,000 contractor fee. You know, apparently I have not seeing a plan in place. And now we're $100,000 later. So all due respect, my comment is the reason I pulled this, is I wanted to understand the context of this a little bit more, and I am concerned. |
| 01:56:55.52 | Unknown | according to what i read here it says that um it could be a hundred thousand dollars over the nine nine months well hopefully we'll be able to um in a position to know what what we have to fill in the planning and maybe uh fill it either before then But I think right now it's more important that we're able to give the service to the public, to the residents of this. So I'd rather see the train keep on moving until we can get and make the changes. |
| 01:57:39.45 | Unknown | I mean, it's clear that the vacant positions result in a salary savings which offset this cost. We have to be clear about this $100,000. It's not costing anything. I certainly trust our staff. I'm sure that they would love to have the permanent positions filled if they were appropriate. We don't want to be precipitous. We want to use the opportunity to see that we have the right people that are going to fill in there. And I certainly, they've kept us invested, and I think that they're doing the right thing and they'll ultimately come to the plan. I don't think we're capable to sit up here and decide exactly who they should be hiring at this point. So I think it's appropriate and certainly it's not costing us any more money and the services we provide. |
| 01:58:19.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:19.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:20.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:20.64 | Unknown | I'm just there. |
| 01:58:22.19 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:58:22.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:22.48 | Unknown | I want the others to be able to say something on this radio for me. |
| 01:58:28.05 | Thomas Theodores | Um, I've been tracking this fairly carefully. The discussion about all of this actually began in the budget process finance committee. I think it was a very wise and prudent move for the city to be evaluating the overall manpower needs in its community development department. To actually backfill with a consultant is just standard and pretty good management practice. it's not our job in my view of this city council to be micromanaging. So I'm going to move forward and make a motion to approve the professional consultant services agreement with the regional government services authority and authorize the city manager to execute the agreement on behalf of the city. |
| 01:59:16.28 | Unknown | And Mr. Mayor, would like to respond? |
| 01:59:19.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:59:19.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:59:19.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:59:19.98 | Unknown | So I don't see this as micromanaging. I see this as a contract that was initially a $10,000 estimate stock gap that is now looking at a nine-month timetable with up to $100,000 without a staffing plan in place. I trust staff is going to move forward with that analysis and take action. in terms of there are hidden costs to bringing on a consultant or a contractor. There is a learning curve whenever you bring anyone in on board to do things where they are serving the public and getting to know our unique policies and procedures. And when that person leaves that ramp-up time, that learning curve that we have invested in is lost. So I guess I wanted to put a spotlight on this. I remain very concerned, and I look forward to seeing a staffing plan. |
| 02:00:23.27 | Ray Withy | Yeah, there certainly is ramp-up time with any new employee, depending on their experience and how new one situation is versus another. I don't think that's worth arguing about. However, I think given the structure of our government and the union factors we have here, it's better to assess how many people you have doing how many things when when you have that opportunity because you won't get that very often. And this department goes through that every five or so years we get a turnover of pretty much half of the staff just as the nature of the job. And so this is another opportunity to take a step back and look at the flows of applications that we get going through that department and the workflow and see if we've got people in the right slots and how many people we have in total. I don't disagree with you Linda, it does take time to ramp people up, but rather than just throw people into open boxes in an org chart, it's probably better to take a look at the org chart. And I agree, they do need to act on it at some point and bring in permanent employees, and I think that's their intention, I guess. . |
| 02:01:28.48 | Unknown | And Mr. Mayor, just in closing comment, I look forward to seeing the staffing plan |
| 02:01:37.93 | Unknown | and time to. |
| 02:01:39.87 | Thomas Theodores | So I have a motion on the table, Mr. McClendon. |
| 02:01:40.58 | Unknown | you I had a motion on the table, Mr. McSuliffe. Second. I'm in favour. Aye. Opposed. |
| 02:01:45.45 | Thomas Theodores | I, |
| 02:01:45.89 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:01:46.84 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:01:47.06 | Unknown | . |
| 02:01:47.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:01:49.62 | Ray Withy | OK. The recession ended in June 2009. OK. Thank you. |
| 02:01:55.97 | Unknown | me you go home now appreciate it sorry to keep you late um the next item that we have is the council discussion on the formation of an art commission Okay. I think it's Adam. You've got to make Adam do it, Debbie. Make Adam do it. |
| 02:02:12.13 | Ray Withy | I think it's Adam. You've got to make Adam do it, Debbie. Make Adam do it. Make Adam do it. It'll be shorter if Debbie does. |
| 02:02:15.19 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:02:19.17 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 02:02:19.44 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 02:02:19.56 | Ray Withy | Oh. |
| 02:02:19.56 | Unknown | Daddy. |
| 02:02:19.96 | Unknown | Daddy. |
| 02:02:21.97 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 02:02:22.02 | Unknown | . . I have to get to the staff report. Okay, this is an item that's been floating around for the last... Three years? Three. Three years? Yes. |
| 02:02:34.63 | Unknown | THREE. THREE YEARS? |
| 02:02:38.39 | Unknown | the The art commission, and this is, I can actually say, before my time, the art commission was disbanded at one point. |
| 02:02:46.24 | Unknown | But. you |
| 02:02:52.58 | Unknown | I'd like to hurt. Yes, you can. |
| 02:02:52.85 | Unknown | I've never heard. Yes, you can. That was a liaison. There was conflict. |
| 02:02:56.08 | Unknown | There was conflict, and so that commission was disbanded. The art commission has never been reformed. What happened at one point, the council actually asked staff to revisit the duties of the art commission, and we pulled something together. We're now in my time frame. And in 2010, there was a resolution adopted that set the duties for commission at that point we weren't getting applicants to fill the positions and this is just something that council member fiverr has been continuing to pursue asking about it every so many months and it's a very important thing that Councilmember Fiverr has been continuing to pursue, asking about it every so many months. And it's basically at a standstill attempting to get applicants. There may have been some concerns about the duties, again, after the last resolution was adopted. There may have been concerns about the duties and charges of the commission that. I can only assume it's still out there. At this point, we do have some applications, and we do have some current applicants that can be considered for a position. Thank you. |
| 02:04:28.20 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:04:28.21 | Unknown | If so, directed. You have |
| 02:04:28.23 | Ray Withy | AND I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO |
| 02:04:32.64 | Ray Withy | of current ones, not ones like that. |
| 02:04:45.32 | Unknown | There are three applicants that I would consider correct. |
| 02:04:54.30 | Ray Withy | Can I ask you a question, Debbie? Yes. Are you done with your presentation? Absolutely. It was a lot shorter than yours would have been. It would have still been going. Not that that's a bad thing. A woman of few words. So my reading of all the attachments to this item is that there's really nothing new being put forward as the mission statement and or guiding principles of the Art commission that hasn't already been adopted is just reforming the commission under those same criteria. Is that correct? Because I didn't see any new criteria or new mission statements. |
| 02:04:55.79 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:04:57.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:04:57.58 | Unknown | It was a lot shorter than yours, but then. |
| 02:05:00.26 | Unknown | I STILL BEEN GOING. |
| 02:05:03.11 | Ursula Levy-Rowe | Woman, if you will. |
| 02:05:27.77 | Unknown | Absolutely nothing has been brought forward. Nothing new has been brought forward. |
| 02:05:29.94 | Ray Withy | Okay. So there's nothing... on this pitch. Yeah, my thought, I thought that we were going to have, and I don't mean this as a criticism, there's going to be some new kind of mission statement for the commission, but it really is just the other resolutions including the last one which we passed in 2009, I think it was, the one that reaffirmed some of the other, it was basically taking some of the other language and changing the terms. |
| 02:05:59.57 | Unknown | I believe that's 2010. |
| 02:06:01.19 | Ray Withy | 10, 10, sorry. I just want to make sure I'm on the same page. |
| 02:06:07.64 | Thomas Theodores | So to follow up for clarity here, the current, if there is a mission of the Arts Commission or a charter or whatever, It is that which is in resolution 5198 on December 7, 2010. And those list of activities are the current standing charter, if we want to call it, of the commission. |
| 02:06:35.50 | Unknown | We'll be right back. Thank you. That's correct. Because this supersedes all the other ones. That is correct. |
| 02:06:39.43 | Thomas Theodores | That is correct. Right. And so is the question before us, are all of these appropriate, or is the question in front of us – is there a question in front of us? |
| 02:06:42.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:06:50.56 | Unknown | I think that has to go back to Councilmember Pfeiffer. She was the one who has, in the past, voiced concern about whether this is applicable at this day and age. |
| 02:07:03.06 | Unknown | Um, poop. Mr. Mayor, if I may comment. |
| 02:07:06.20 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:07:06.47 | Unknown | So, |
| 02:07:06.50 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 02:07:08.88 | Unknown | Since 2009, and Debbie, you can confirm on this, I've tracked people who have applied to the Arts Commission, and I know that we have had at least seven since 2009, but I also know that because I couldn't get consensus on the council to move forward on the interviews that I guess there's a two year window where after two years their application is retired. Is that correct? That is not correct. Oh, okay. So is there a time limit? I thought I heard once that there was a time limit that if someone had applied, because I remember we had this conversation and you said they had to reapply or something. |
| 02:07:43.07 | Unknown | That is not correct. |
| 02:07:59.17 | Unknown | If somebody has applied, and has been interviewed and has been considered for a position, the application is on file for one year. |
| 02:08:09.77 | Unknown | And then you said they have to reapply. |
| 02:08:11.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Yes. Okay. In this case, they have not been interviewed. They have not been considered. Their applications still stand. |
| 02:08:21.65 | Unknown | Okay. So one of the challenges that we've had, too, is because there wasn't consensus on this council, at least not a majority consensus, to move forward with re-staffing the Arts Commission, the interviews never got traction. And if we did interview someone, then they had to, after a year, had to reapply. |
| 02:08:41.88 | Ray Withy | Thank you. You know, We didn't interview anybody. We've never interviewed anybody. I... |
| 02:08:50.32 | Unknown | I thought we didn't interview Kayla Cohen? No. All right. So I do know that I've received inquiries from residents regarding |
| 02:08:53.89 | Ray Withy | No. Off of the art? |
| 02:09:05.45 | Unknown | submitting applications to be on the Arts Commission. Clearly, people want to be on the Arts Commission, they always ask me, tell me when you're going to interview, and I'll submit the application. And I also notice that. |
| 02:09:18.84 | Unknown | And I also know that he has submitted. Let him submit the application, and then we'll set up the interview. |
| 02:09:24.56 | Unknown | Well, I think we need to advertise for that and move forward. I mean, let's... Just a minute. |
| 02:09:30.82 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Mr. Mayor, can I jump in the middle here? So I think there's two issues here. One is, what does the Art Commission do? That was the whole reason the council didn't move forward. It wasn't not to interview anyone. The council didn't move forward because we kept asking for, well, what is it? If you're going to bring it back into existence, what is it going to do? Is it going to do just what this resolution in 2010 outlined, which is when I was the mayor and we passed it as a unanimous vote? Or do you change that? And I thought, again, not as criticism, that you weren't comfortable with this particular resolution and you were going to come back with some other, because the art walk and things like that are not part of this resolution. That on events of that's not part of within the purview of the art commission under this existing resolution so my understanding you know i can't speak for for mike or carolyn or whoever else was uh mike and carolyn who were on the council or herb at the time but my understanding was that this wasn't didn't fit with the vision that you had for the Art Commission and that you were going to come back with some different proposals of what the Art Commission's mission statement and duties would be. But if you're comfortable with this makeup, this Resolution 5198, then I don't have a problem with interviewing people now that we have a number of applicants. We didn't have a number of applicants for a significant period of time. |
| 02:09:32.86 | Unknown | in the middle of here to switch it. |
| 02:09:36.00 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. do. |
| 02:09:37.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:40.33 | Unknown | THE COUNCIL. |
| 02:09:48.03 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:10:44.58 | Unknown | duties. |
| 02:11:02.75 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah, well, I'd like to even take it a step further back. I think rather than focus on Africans, we can get, and we might want to start at 5198, but considering some of the history here, which fortunately for me, I was not involved in it. But I think we need to step back and say, what do we want the Arts Commission to do? We may want to look at history and make sure that we avoid some of the conflicts because I understand that it was disbanded or had problems twice. Yeah. So I'd like to even take it one step further back and say, what do we want the Arts Commission to do? How should it be populated? How should we, who should be on it in terms of what type of people and then go forward about applicants? |
| 02:11:14.33 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Yeah. like, Thank you. |
| 02:11:18.07 | Unknown | but |
| 02:11:20.74 | Jose Garcia-Holman | Thank you. |
| 02:11:32.35 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 02:11:44.87 | Unknown | So just to respond to the history, I voted for this resolution in 2010 and wanted to move forward with it. I feel comfortable with it. It was a, and I know that Council Member Carolyn Ford did support moving forward with it. There was a former councilman who did not want to move forward with the Arts Commission. And as a result, we did not. But I have been asking to reinstate the Arts Commission for several years now. And I would very much like to do that. And I would feel very comfortable moving forward with the resolution that I voted for. Thank you. for several years now. And I would very much like to do that. And I would feel very comfortable moving forward with the resolution that I voted for in 2010. |
| 02:11:53.85 | Unknown | Thank you. . |
| 02:11:55.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:39.23 | Unknown | And I will add some context I was... on the Arts Commission at the same time, and a number of individuals who are now leaders in our community. This was at a time when the Arts Commission was, I mean, we did so many things. We launched the first website advertising our local artists. We created binders for all the hotels. We created an art gallery, biannual art shows. It was a wonderful commission, and the artists really appreciated it very much. So to me, that's an example of what an arts commission can accomplish. And Sausalito was known for its arts. So I think we should have an arts commission. |
| 02:13:34.86 | Ray Withy | I don't think anybody was arguing about there should be an art commission. I think what we're trying to figure out is what it should actually do. And the problem that it got itself into was that it tried to do things that were almost in conflict with itself. And over an extended period of time, from 2006 to 2009, it basically fought amongst themselves for three years, whether it was with Herb as a liaison, me as a liaison, and I forget who liaison before me to the to the art commission and and and even art walk before that was a bit of a turmoil which was then run by the Arts Commission so what what I think the real if I may I think the real tweak here that it is number four is where it gets kind of off on the tangent. And that relates back to your email of March that was in the packet that says and it's just quoting section four which says in addition to our commission shall suggest programs and recommendations to the council and with consent they will facilitate these programs to fulfill its objectives, including the following. And that's where it's a very broad phrase to say you can do just about anything, but you might want to consider these A through H as part of what you might consider doing. And that's where the argument kind of went off on a tangent before and devolved. And really, so my concern is that we give it a clear, that maybe we rephrase this section four a little bit, just leave these criteria and let them come back and say, here's our new mission. Here's what we want to do if we reform it, rather than give it such a blank and open mission that it ends up fighting with itself again. |
| 02:13:37.53 | Unknown | Thank you. Yes. Thank you. I think. |
| 02:13:38.76 | Unknown | We'll be right back. |
| 02:13:38.96 | Unknown | we're trying to figure out |
| 02:13:52.31 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:14:38.24 | Unknown | objective. |
| 02:15:18.37 | Unknown | I know. |
| 02:15:18.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:18.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:18.56 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:15:18.58 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:15:24.25 | Unknown | And I think that sounds, I mean, I'm fine with that. I know that when I was on the Arts Commission, it was before the turmoil occurred. So I can't speak to that. I don't know what happened. But I'm flexible with any recommendations this council has. I would just hope that we can move forward |
| 02:15:47.84 | Ray Withy | So unless somebody has, do you have any specific language? So what I was going to say is to add to this number four is just get rid of, let's change the phrasing of the preamble part of section four where it says the art commission, in addition, I would say, in addition, the art commission shall fulfill silk sell fulfill with its objectives including and then have a through H fulfill the following objectives a through H and then you can add a section I whereas our commission will come back with a mission statement outlining its revised mission state well no a mission statement in addition to these above and to counsel for council's approval and that shall be reaffirmed as part of their annual presentation which I think is called for somewhere in here they come every year with a presentation yes yeah yeah yeah |
| 02:15:51.89 | Unknown | So, |
| 02:16:32.07 | Unknown | Well, no, I didn't mention statement Thank you. |
| 02:16:45.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:16:45.91 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:16:45.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:16:46.02 | Unknown | The engine there. May I have a verification? So I understand. My understanding is the way I read this is number three is the basic responsibilities, and then in addition, there's four. And we're going to keep it that way. You just want to make it clear that four is really limited. They're limited to these. Because I can tell you from my time on it, |
| 02:16:48.82 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:16:48.89 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:16:49.01 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:16:49.03 | Don Olson | Thank you. |
| 02:16:49.11 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:16:49.18 | Don Olson | Yeah. |
| 02:16:49.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:16:49.63 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:16:49.68 | Don Olson | Thank you. |
| 02:16:49.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Sure. |
| 02:16:56.94 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 02:17:01.48 | Ray Withy | Because I can tell you from my time on, I was there for about a year and a half. I think you were there for about a year and a half. And it just turned to, first of all, not to go back too hard in the details, it was being run in a certain way that was, you know, because we're just liaisons. They run their own show. So it turned into a fiasco. And they were fighting with each other. They were fighting with each other, and it devolved. This was over three years. There was nothing we could do to get them to get along. And there were different members. Members came to go, and it still devolved. |
| 02:17:18.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:17:24.40 | Unknown | They were fighting with each other. |
| 02:17:34.81 | Unknown | I still do. |
| 02:17:36.60 | Ray Withy | And you have long terms here, three-year terms, so once somebody gets on here, you have to... And we had to remove people from the Art Commission to try and get it back on. We did that too, and it still is still a problem. So I'm all for the Art Commission, and with a different cast of folks, I'm sure it'll right the shit. I just don't want to give it a... I want to give it a narrow enough focus that it can... Okay, you've got A through D in 3 and A through H, you pick which one you want to do. Don't, to start, don't bite off the art walk, which was a huge thing and just sent everybody over on the wayside. Absolutely. You know, just do something small to start and then come back and say, hey, I can get something out of here. |
| 02:17:40.51 | Unknown | I love you. Thank you. We had right. back on that. We did that too, and it still did all the problems. So I'm all for the argument. |
| 02:18:10.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:18:13.03 | Unknown | come back and say, |
| 02:18:14.03 | Unknown | I can get some cashier. Thank you. And also, I want to add one thing, pointing out number seven. All members of the Arts Commission shall serve without compensation. That's a very key point here, because I remember when I was on the Arts Commission that it was going really well. At least it was great. And one of the rules we had was that no one could profit or benefit in any way from any of the programs or any of the shows. And that was something that we adhered to religiously. So that, I think also, that is something that's very important, the interpretation of the point seven. |
| 02:19:05.83 | Unknown | The only other thing is that maybe we should allow at least the possibility that one could be a non-resident |
| 02:19:15.89 | Unknown | There are already two. How many two they had there? Yeah, there's two non-voteers. There's two. Is it five and two? Five and two. Yeah. Are they voting or not? |
| 02:19:18.00 | Unknown | Yeah, the Hebrew is on the list. Thank you. Five and two. Five and five and two. Yeah. Are they going or not? Okay. I thought I was. I think that's fine. I'm going to go on that. |
| 02:19:26.03 | Ray Withy | I don't know. |
| 02:19:26.25 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:19:26.27 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:19:26.32 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:19:27.58 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:19:27.70 | Unknown | Thank you. Bye. |
| 02:19:31.52 | Ray Withy | Non-dote. The non... non... |
| 02:19:31.53 | Unknown | No, no. |
| 02:19:31.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:32.29 | Unknown | and |
| 02:19:32.51 | Unknown | the non- are not voting. OK, so five residents that are voting and two non-resident that are not voting. Thank you. |
| 02:19:40.16 | Ray Withy | Go ahead. |
| 02:19:41.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:41.62 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. No, I was going to have a clarification for Mary because I can't be bothered to go around and try and find all the wording. Section 9, any provisions of these other two resolutions not being amended by the above shall remain in effect. I mean, that needs to go out, I think. |
| 02:19:44.81 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:19:48.10 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:19:57.45 | Ray Withy | Bob. |
| 02:20:01.43 | Ray Withy | So maybe this needs to come back. So if you can review those 3775446 and make sure we're not punting anything. That should be in there. And then I would also look at Section G, not just the header for 4, but Section G throws in that second sentence, throws in a lot of vagaries that the Commissioner shall subject program and legislations to counsel, which is basically what this says in the beginning of 4. So I would rephrase that and bring it back whenever it's the next appropriate meeting. Does that make sense to folks? |
| 02:20:04.08 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. |
| 02:20:22.60 | Unknown | which is very important. |
| 02:20:33.57 | Unknown | Exactly. The only thing is while we're here, does anyone know what those two sections say? |
| 02:20:35.54 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:20:36.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:39.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:39.84 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:20:39.86 | Unknown | Wow. |
| 02:20:39.89 | Ray Withy | I mean, there's some reason |
| 02:20:41.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:41.51 | Ray Withy | These were the previous, I think they're in the package. Yeah, they are. They're just the previous authorizations, resolutions to create the art commission. But by leading them outstanding, it kind of leads it up. |
| 02:20:42.26 | Unknown | These were the. |
| 02:20:43.99 | Thomas Theodores | in the past. Thank you. |
| 02:20:44.82 | Jeremy Gray | Thank you. |
| 02:20:44.84 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, they are. |
| 02:20:53.46 | Unknown | Yeah, no, I agree. But I didn't know if there was anything in them that I'll monitor on the crew. Yeah, we might. That's why I said that if she can |
| 02:20:57.00 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:20:57.02 | Unknown | Don't marvel. |
| 02:20:57.80 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Yeah, we might. That's why I said if she can go back |
| 02:20:59.98 | Unknown | go back in. Thank you. |
| 02:21:05.51 | Ray Withy | Well, that's also in the resolution we adopted in 2010. The Brown-Hecton's already in here. So we might just need to clean it up a little bit and go back to those two resolutions to make sure that they're not conflicting with these. And I think they were pretty good. |
| 02:21:05.56 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:21:13.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:24.33 | Unknown | I think, Thank you. |
| 02:21:27.16 | Ray Withy | Yeah. And so they would be specified. Right. And then clean up section four, that sort of preamble, as well as the section, I've lost it now, G or what was it? G. G. |
| 02:21:28.10 | Unknown | Yeah. Right, and then |
| 02:21:32.29 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:21:42.48 | Unknown | And are we comfortable with that composition as long as we're on this and we do it with sections, three, five, and two? |
| 02:21:48.54 | Ray Withy | I think the problem we had when it was, it used to be nine. And it's too hard to get a quorum. And then we brought it down to five, but folks wanted to have people who just had studios and didn't live here, have some input. And that makes perfect sense to me, because a lot of the folks who are in ICB or even in the NLK are not. |
| 02:21:52.47 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 02:21:52.79 | Unknown | Yeah, that's right. Thank you. |
| 02:21:55.22 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 02:22:03.91 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:22:03.97 | Unknown | and then, |
| 02:22:04.13 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:22:04.25 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:22:09.89 | Unknown | and they say, |
| 02:22:12.15 | Ray Withy | if they would |
| 02:22:12.98 | Unknown | and then they |
| 02:22:13.31 | Ray Withy | at the time |
| 02:22:13.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:22:14.04 | Ray Withy | moved. |
| 02:22:14.71 | Unknown | Right, so it changes. |
| 02:22:14.85 | Ray Withy | Thank you. So having five will let you get a quorum out of the five. And two non-voting, they're not part of the quorum calculation, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 02:22:16.82 | Unknown | Have a good one. |
| 02:22:25.40 | Unknown | I did touch base with a couple of them. I heard that there was, I mean, this was after I left the commission. I heard that I think for the Dicey. And I highlight number seven for a reason. I think it's important that it's understood, especially if someone is interviewing for the Arts Commission and they are an artist, that issue around compensation is clear. |
| 02:22:53.68 | Ray Withy | Well, it's pretty clear the way it's stated, but the, the, I just want to make sure that you're understanding what I'm proposing with getting rid of number four, the beginning of four, and the second sentence of G. It kind of does away with the fact of putting on shows in general, unless they come back and say, part of our mission is going to be to put on shows. And that's where it gets kind of dicey with whether I promoted my own works. Do you know what I mean? Unless I'm missing something. |
| 02:23:07.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:07.62 | Unknown | you |
| 02:23:07.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:17.07 | Unknown | Unless I'm missing something. Well, yeah, if I may respond. If you look at 4A, it says, this is going of art in the council chambers on a revolving basis. That is what I interpreted to be the show that the Arts Commission felt. Because that was revolving. |
| 02:23:30.48 | Unknown | Yes. you |
| 02:23:31.28 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:23:33.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:33.82 | Ray Withy | Oh, no, that was the same. |
| 02:23:35.53 | Unknown | There was a group that came in and just changed it every, what was it, six months or something? No, we changed it. |
| 02:23:41.23 | Ray Withy | Is it six months or something? No, we changed this. No, she has your point. It's been different over time. Sometimes it's been a show, sometimes it's been out of the city's own collection, rotating through there. Sometimes it's the foundation, putting up stuff. |
| 02:23:55.49 | Unknown | And typically what we did when I was on the Arts Commission is we had a Sosolito theme, so for example houseboats, and artists would submit the paintings. We had a juried art advisory committee made up of famous, I mean, we had a famous a sculptor, well-known in San Francisco. We had amazing leaders in the arts community from a RIN of jury and participate in feedback. And then we juried the show. And we had a little reception. and it's the reason why the council has the triptych behind the dais today. That came from a show. So I see everything here is, it allows the new Arts Commission to kind of, you know, find their path and make their mark and carry on the legacy of art in a Bacolito. |
| 02:25:03.90 | Ray Withy | Right, and not to belabor this, but the shows is what just, what really blew up the art commission is arguing amongst themselves about who could put what work in there. And it wasn't even just their own work. It was arguing about not when you were on it, but at the time, I'm just telling you what the dynamic was at the time. Is that there, it just became between the art walk and what art could be displayed in city council of the chambers and it became this huge discussion of, well, I, it really, Thank you. It just became between the art walk and what art could be displayed in city council of the chambers. And it became this huge discussion of, well, I really, what art, what should be shown? And who can decide what's to be shown? And how many votes it takes to decide what's going to be shown? So I'm not saying that that may not be where it goes, but I'd like to see a more, you know, let's, Because we should do that. It's a great avenue for people to display local work. But at the beginning, I'm just trying to be cautious and make sure that people start to walk before they run. Thank you. |
| 02:26:01.99 | Unknown | Does that make any sense? Yeah, and I think the guidance can be provided by the council liaison. You know, we can guide that. I know that when I was on the Arts Commission, we actually had also a form that if someone had an idea that they wanted to propose to the Arts Commission, they had to fill out this formal project proposal and submit it, and the whole group discussed it before we would embark. So when we were doing the binders that would go to all the hotels to promote our artists to the tourists, we weighed, okay, how much will the binders... You know, it was a budget, it was a scope, it was scheduled resources, and so there was a, you know, a method in the process. So I think we're setting them up for success with this. I think it can |
| 02:26:02.36 | Ray Withy | Does that make any sense? |
| 02:26:52.70 | Unknown | Right. I think it can do fine. I think the important thing is making sure that you have a very, very good chairperson. Because the time that I had it, you had one person that really wouldn't let anybody else speak. And then we got into the outwalk, which we found out selling or giving out wine on the sidewalks and the streets was not approved by the ABC and that created a lot of friction between the members. So I think with all of this, and I'm in favor of it, I think it's very important to get someone as a chairperson that's willing to include everybody in it and not have a one-person |
| 02:27:03.88 | Unknown | which I think Thank you. Bye. |
| 02:27:11.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:43.93 | Unknown | Thank you. I think who we put on the committee Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:27:48.89 | Ray Withy | I'm just trying not to make sure you don't make the same mistake. And I hear you, and I really do. I really am supportive of doing this. But it all depends on the personalities. And you can't judge until they believe we try our best. And you were on the council at the time appointing people. We were all appointing people to this. Yeah. |
| 02:28:10.03 | Unknown | Thank you. I think it's a good thing. |
| 02:28:13.63 | Unknown | I mean the Arts Commission |
| 02:28:15.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:15.40 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. |
| 02:28:15.45 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:28:15.81 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Yes, you came on the council how many years ago? 2007. 2008? |
| 02:28:19.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:19.72 | Unknown | Yeah. Oh, was that when it's... Right, yeah. |
| 02:28:24.02 | Ray Withy | Right. Yeah. So we still had people, you know, so you can't judge until people are actually in there, you know, functioning until what they're going to do. That was the second thing. |
| 02:28:26.47 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 02:28:26.66 | Adam Politzer | Bye. Thank you. |
| 02:28:29.25 | Unknown | of functioning. |
| 02:28:29.96 | Adam Politzer | tools. |
| 02:28:33.24 | Ray Withy | Second disbanding and rebanding. |
| 02:28:35.36 | Unknown | Oh, OK. So you only got one. Three years ago. |
| 02:28:36.59 | Ray Withy | So you only got one out of the two. So one of the controversies was, well, we want to put our art in the people's art in the Catholic chamber. It was locked. Well, of course it's locked because we lock it during the day because there's equipment and stuff in there. So they've gotten to arguing about that. And then there was an argument. So just the showing part, I think that it's sort of like you have to show you're a grown-up before you can kind of take on a certain level of responsibility. This is a whole nother new people, and I'm sure they're going to be all fine, whatever personalities you throw on there. But the show became, it's all about the show, and who could be in the show, and how many hours the council chamber was open, and would the city put staff in there so it could be open longer, during the day, or in the evenings, or... So it got, it devolved into a lot of things about shows. Became personalities. So I would ask that maybe we, and right now, correct me if I'm wrong, the stuff that's in the council chamber, besides the triptych, it really just depends, I don't know who decided what goes in there now, |
| 02:28:41.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:54.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:54.99 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:28:55.21 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:29:19.96 | Unknown | Show. |
| 02:29:27.29 | Unknown | Thank you. So it got you. |
| 02:29:28.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:29:30.17 | Unknown | It became personalities. |
| 02:29:42.98 | Adam Politzer | No, it's other groups, historical society. Right. |
| 02:29:45.55 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 02:29:45.97 | Adam Politzer | we had Tessly Revella |
| 02:29:47.27 | Ray Withy | So you're going to get in a conflict now between the Art Commission and the Sister City people who want to put stuff up on for a certain period of time. And it's just like, that's just the showing part. There's so many more important issues that these guys could do to help us understand the needs of artists and their ability to live and work and soft-sit-o than putting on a show in the council chamber, in my personal opinion. |
| 02:29:47.30 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:30:11.53 | Unknown | Yeah, and if I could respond. I hear what you're saying. That was just such a small thing when I was on the commission. But it sounds like in subsequent commissions, it sounds like it was a huge, big, intensive matter. |
| 02:30:17.00 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:30:17.03 | Unknown | When I was on it. |
| 02:30:17.91 | Ray Withy | But it sounds like it's |
| 02:30:23.74 | Ray Withy | Well, because it's so hard to show your work in general in Sausalito because there aren't a lot of public show galleries that cater to local artists. So the outside of the two, what do they call it, open studios, there really is a dearth of opportunity to show your work if you're a local artist in a gallery kind of setting or in a bigger room setting. So that's why it became like this lightning rod. I've got to get my stuff in there. |
| 02:30:52.10 | Unknown | I have a recommendation. I recommend we move forward with the edit that Council Member Leone I guess I'll make a motion. if we're ready to move forward with the resolution, recommencing the Arts Commission with resolution 50198, striking number nine with, of course, staff kind of confirming resolution 37754469, losing anything. And then on item four, removing, having item four phrased, in addition the Arts Commission shall fulfill its objectives including, and then have A through H. |
| 02:31:48.70 | Unknown | May I have a comment? Yeah, please. Well, going back, now when I read this, we're actually giving them more power because for free building sets out with the responsible. In addition, the Arts Commission shall suggest programs to the City Council, including the following. I'm a little afraid that we're actually giving them more. Maybe we should stay with the original language. And because this, for example, when you go down to A, this is playing out. |
| 02:31:50.05 | Ray Withy | Yes, please. |
| 02:32:10.43 | Ray Withy | and Okay. They don't have the right to do that. They can. Then you can say, how about we say, if for instance the Art Commission may, may rather than shall, may suggest programs or recommendations to City Council with the consent thereof to facilitate programs |
| 02:32:19.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:19.26 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:32:19.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:19.30 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:32:19.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:19.55 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:32:19.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:21.76 | Unknown | made. |
| 02:32:22.03 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:32:22.05 | Unknown | Thank you. Amen. |
| 02:32:23.02 | Unknown | Thank you. Yes. |
| 02:32:32.41 | Ray Withy | such as that related. Yeah, yeah. But as long as it's masonry, |
| 02:32:33.92 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah, yeah. |
| 02:32:34.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:32:34.90 | Unknown | as long as it's Mason. THE REST OF THE CITY. |
| 02:32:36.86 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:32:36.96 | Unknown | That's right, I like that word. |
| 02:32:37.00 | Ray Withy | Yeah. Okay. And then Mary, but Linda, just to mix, so she's going to have to come back anyway with a formal resolution because she's going to have to read 3775 and 4469 to make sure we're not losing or something that's important. Yeah. So is it okay if we, if you take your motion and bring it back at the next meeting for a final discussion? |
| 02:32:52.66 | Thomas Theodores | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 02:32:56.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:33:04.05 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. VOTE. |
| 02:33:08.03 | Unknown | I'm trying to find. |
| 02:33:12.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:33:13.11 | Ray Withy | Yeah, no, that's fine. Yeah, that should be, they should be able to. They should let us see what the audience said. Right. It'll be, they'll leave it up to staff to decide if the, if the changes are interesting, |
| 02:33:16.65 | Unknown | Right, I'll leave it up there. Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:33:23.12 | Ray Withy | So I'll second that. Okay. |
| 02:33:27.82 | Thomas Theodores | Bye. |
| 02:33:27.98 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:33:28.03 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:33:28.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:33:28.47 | Unknown | HOLD. |
| 02:33:29.04 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 02:33:31.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:33:31.30 | Adam Politzer | . |
| 02:33:31.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:33:31.60 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:33:31.66 | Unknown | . |
| 02:33:31.98 | Adam Politzer | City Manager information. Keep this brief because it's very cold in this room. It is freezing. |
| 02:33:39.15 | Ray Withy | It's freezing in here. And these are double-painted. The front door is open. |
| 02:33:41.31 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:33:42.96 | Unknown | The front door is open. The purpose was to get you out early fall and winter. |
| 02:33:46.37 | Ray Withy | that's represented |
| 02:33:48.83 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. We have the air conditioning on also. So just three announcements, activities, and hopefully you are aware of all three. MCC, MC, and San Rafael on the 20th. I believe it's the Wednesday. When? No. Before Thanksgiving, so I think it's. |
| 02:34:09.27 | Thomas Theodores | Mm-mm. No. |
| 02:34:11.58 | Adam Politzer | I THOUGHT THEY CANCEL IT. |
| 02:34:11.65 | Thomas Theodores | I thought they canceled it. It's on Monday. It's on Monday. Monday of Thanksgiving. |
| 02:34:12.83 | Unknown | you |
| 02:34:12.95 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 02:34:12.97 | Unknown | Monday. It's a great day. Yeah, it's 25th, is it? I missed that. Yeah, that's the 25th. Good, I'm glad that you're all aware. |
| 02:34:17.03 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, that's the truth. |
| 02:34:18.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:34:19.11 | Adam Politzer | THE FEDERAL. Good, I'm glad that you're all aware of the day of the next MCC MC meeting. So then the strategic planning session will be Friday the 22nd, and that's going to be at the Spinnaker, and starting at 8.30 that morning and going until 4.30. And each of you should have been contacted by Sherryerry lund who's going to be our facilitator and we'll go forward on the 22nd and then our you should have received an invitation from aaron on the holiday party the employee recognition and holiday party for December 17th I believe that's at Cavallo Point starting at 6 p.m. I'll leave that for my report for tonight but happy to answer any questions from the council |
| 02:34:22.11 | Unknown | Thank you. See you. |
| 02:34:23.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:35:16.95 | Ray Withy | Where is the... THE FAMILY. |
| 02:35:18.03 | Adam Politzer | The off-site is Saturday, right? We haven't nailed down that date, but December 14th was the date that we were for team building. I gave two dates out, and I think that I've heard from most of you on your preference or which one worked best for you. |
| 02:35:38.66 | Ray Withy | and the strategic planning. |
| 02:35:40.38 | Adam Politzer | is the Friday on the 22nd. The 22nd, right. |
| 02:35:40.66 | Ray Withy | the |
| 02:35:45.56 | Unknown | Thank you. . |
| 02:35:47.38 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:35:47.43 | Unknown | Okay, moving on, future agenda items. |
| 02:35:55.21 | Unknown | I mentioned this earlier, but I don't see it yet on the future agenda. |
| 02:35:56.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:35:56.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:35:56.31 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:35:56.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:36:05.42 | Unknown | A couple weeks ago, the Citizens for Sustainable Pension Plans released a report regarding the growing pension liability at the county level as well as every city in Marin. And so I think it deserves a public hearing and a formal response for transparency and discussion. I know that other cities have already agendized it and provided response. And I think it would be important to do so. |
| 02:36:42.38 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I think, and Adam correctly, if I'm wrong, or Ray correctly, I think we discussed this at the Finance Committee, and we are going to, it will be a future agenda. Oh, good. Not that report specifically, but the whole pension obligation will be a separate item on the agenda at some point. I'm not sure exactly when that is, but... |
| 02:36:52.82 | Unknown | I'll say. |
| 02:37:05.43 | Unknown | And it's also waiting to count for this revised numbers. Right. Oh, that's right. We're waiting to get those. That's right. |
| 02:37:08.48 | Ray Withy | Right, oh, that's right. We're waiting to get... Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:37:12.02 | Unknown | Thank you. Right. |
| 02:37:14.14 | Unknown | And a related item was the desire for a 10-year fiscal planning, financial planning, strategic outlook. |
| 02:37:27.06 | Ray Withy | Yeah, we did discuss that at the Finance Committee, and I think the topic of planning will also be a separate point. We're going to discuss that before we get into the budget cycle. The budget cycle is just a two-year budget cycle, but we're going to discuss the topic of financial planning, both for capital needs as well as for city planning in general. So we're going to discuss that as a different item than the pension discussion, I believe. Is that correct? |
| 02:38:01.74 | Thomas Theodores | That's correct, yeah. |
| 02:38:04.74 | Ray Withy | The only two I had is one that actually, I don't know if it made it on here, is raised one before to put the MEA, we're the only city that's not contracted with the MEA, to put that on the gerium. |
| 02:38:16.54 | Adam Politzer | We're in discussion. Charlie is talking to MEA and PG&E, and they're putting together a report for us. They're working together, which is nice. Yeah, it's good. Right. |
| 02:38:24.88 | Ray Withy | Yeah, it's good. I suppose. Right. And the other one was, I forget what I was reading, but some article in the IGA got me thinking about Charles McClashen. And then it reminded me of the plastic bag ban, which now has gone through to, I think, the state Supreme Court and they've affirmed it with the county's original implementation of it. So I think we should consider putting that on our agenda at some point down the road. |
| 02:38:50.17 | Adam Politzer | So the Marin County JPA on hazardous and solid waste is doing that collectively. Okay. And we will bring forward that as a model program and so that it will be consistent throughout the county. That will come in the early part of the new year. |
| 02:39:08.97 | Unknown | Okay. Anybody else? Okay, we're just going to go on into committee, council member of the committee reports. Okay. Anybody want to take a report? Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:39:24.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:39:24.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:39:25.52 | Ray Withy | Anything that's significant? |
| 02:39:27.40 | Unknown | . |
| 02:39:27.48 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:39:27.73 | Unknown | No, I guess the only one on the multifamily is only who's at another meeting, but we're still working on that. We have another one scheduled in another 10 days, I think. So we've had this, I think, a week ago, roughly a week ago, we had a meeting. We worked through some issues. We have one more. And when that's done, we're going to bring it back to the council, if you recall. It's the legislative committee. And one planning commissioner, Commissioner Cox, is working on this. So we have one more meeting, and then we will bring it back Thank you. call the legislative committee and one planning commission, Commissioner Cox is working on this. So we have one more meeting and then we will bring it back to the council. |
| 02:39:58.23 | Unknown | Okay. With that, next, any reports of any significance? Okay, with that, I'd like to adjourn the meeting. |
| 02:40:10.87 | Ray Withy | Oh, the only word of significance before you could join the meeting, you know? I think that's the first time I can remember you Thank you. in a long time, that all five council members were at a single table at Halloween, which is a good thing. And Linda's costume was, you know, live long and prosper. But beside that, I thought that was great. That's one of the better Halloweens I can remember in Sausalito. It went off very smoothly. The weather cooperated. There was a huge turnout. We didn't run out of candy. We had candy at the end, which doesn't mean that we had a lot of candy at our table. So we fulfilled the demand. We all brought extra candy. Some of us did. |
| 02:40:26.61 | Unknown | Thank you. Live long and prosper. |
| 02:40:29.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:40:29.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:40:42.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:40:42.39 | Unknown | which is |
| 02:40:43.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:40:52.04 | Unknown | No, some of us do. Thank you. |
| 02:40:53.73 | Ray Withy | Good morning. |
| 02:40:54.35 | Thomas Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:40:54.37 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I'm telling you, it all went. But we brought extra ones, so... |
| 02:40:55.32 | Unknown | I'm telling you, you're a long way. |
| 02:40:57.04 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:40:57.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:40:57.19 | Unknown | Thank you. It looks like that. I took that bag from Little Creek. I thought. I actually, I don't know. |
| 02:40:59.36 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:40:59.52 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:41:02.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:02.18 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:41:02.32 | Unknown | you |
| 02:41:02.37 | Unknown | Actually, I have a question. |
| 02:41:04.02 | Unknown | What do we have? |
| 02:41:04.95 | Unknown | you |
| 02:41:05.03 | Unknown | Let me share a camp. |
| 02:41:05.96 | Unknown | . |
| 02:41:06.01 | Unknown | That table before. |
| 02:41:07.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:07.47 | Unknown | just leave it where it is and that's a good thing |
| 02:41:07.48 | Ray Withy | I'll just leave it where it is. I'll be sure. And that's a good thing. |
| 02:41:13.52 | Unknown | Yeah, but... Thank you. I've been willing to share. |
| 02:41:15.50 | Unknown | Okay, let's just leave it there. We shared a table. It's a good thing. Don't forget this year there was not an election. Yeah, usually when there are elections, everybody has their own table. It's a separate table. Oh, exactly. |
| 02:41:16.04 | Ray Withy | Well, let's just |
| 02:41:16.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:17.03 | Ray Withy | We shared a table, it's a good thing. Yeah, usually when there are elections, everybody has their own table. Oh, is that what it is? But on these off years, sometimes we haven't had a council table or only a couple people showed up at the council table. That's what I'm referring to. In the election years, people tend to have their own table and give out all kinds of chastis and whatever. But in these off years, sometimes we haven't had a table or we decided not to have a table. One year, I remember, we decided not to have a table. |
| 02:41:27.46 | Unknown | but, |
| 02:41:34.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:34.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:34.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:34.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:34.33 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:41:34.42 | Unknown | Hey. |
| 02:41:34.72 | Unknown | I've met with the election. |
| 02:41:35.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:35.97 | Unknown | Thank you. table. |
| 02:41:41.84 | Unknown | Come on. |
| 02:41:47.29 | Unknown | We decided at the last minute for this table, really. It wasn't something that we trained. But it worked out. It was a great evening. And to see the kids in their outfits, and see the adults. I never saw so many adults in outfits. How? |
| 02:41:50.11 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:41:53.62 | Ray Withy | Anyway, that's why. |
| 02:41:58.65 | Ray Withy | and |
| 02:42:01.85 | Unknown | Halloween in South Florida is great. It's the best. |
| 02:42:04.50 | Unknown | Yeah. Okay, with that, I'd like to close the meeting in honor of Gloria Brada, who was a long-time resident in Sausalito. I believe they were here, what, about 51 years, something like that? Yeah. Lived up on Central. So we'll adjourn. In honor. |
| 02:42:20.16 | Unknown | you |
| 02:42:25.02 | Ray Withy | And they helped out on the fire consolidation stuff. It's not so long ago. Very involved with the library. Library boards and things. So thank you for your... Okay. Meeting adjourned. Thank you. |
| 02:42:30.22 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |