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| 00:00:00.62 | Unknown | to see. |
| 00:00:00.71 | Unknown | The Pressure is a |
| 00:00:01.03 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:00:02.04 | Herb Weiner | New street in order to do it. I just went close to the CID. That's better. You might have to double check. I think that's how you're asking to pronounce it. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's how they're asking. I would double check. Oh, yeah. CID is all flaked off. |
| 00:00:06.17 | Unknown | I guess my post is still. I think that's how you're asking the pronunciation. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's how they're asking. |
| 00:00:16.64 | Unknown | So, yeah. |
| 00:00:17.11 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:00:17.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:17.45 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:00:17.53 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:00:17.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:17.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
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| 00:00:17.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Oh, the TA place. Yeah, that do. |
| 00:00:19.52 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:00:27.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:32.89 | Unknown | Good evening and welcome to the regular meeting of the Sausalito City Council for Tuesday, May 6, 2014. Debbie, if you would take the walk. |
| 00:00:44.77 | Debbie | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Councilmember Weiner? Present. Councilmember Leon? |
| 00:00:44.78 | Unknown | Thank you. present. Here. |
| 00:00:50.66 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Theodorus. |
| 00:00:51.69 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:00:51.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:52.45 | Unknown | Here. |
| 00:00:52.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:53.42 | Debbie | Yeah, you're with me. |
| 00:00:55.06 | Unknown | here. |
| 00:00:55.09 | Unknown | Here. |
| 00:00:55.55 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 00:00:56.23 | Unknown | Yeah, you're slipping. I'm slipping. |
| 00:00:58.50 | Unknown | Let's move to the Pledge of Allegiance and Elizabeth Seeley, will you lead us in the pledge this evening? |
| 00:01:07.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:08.02 | Unknown | allegiance. |
| 00:01:08.97 | Unknown | to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with the liberty and justice of God. |
| 00:01:10.52 | Unknown | Thank you guys. |
| 00:01:10.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:20.96 | Herb Weiner | at all. |
| 00:01:22.84 | Unknown | Thank you, Elizabeth. |
| 00:01:28.73 | Unknown | We have no closed session announcements. We met in closed session to discuss two matters, a real property negotiation and a conference with legal counsel. Is there any member of the public who has public comment on these closed session items? Seeing none, I'll move on to approval of the agenda. so moved. |
| 00:01:57.82 | Unknown | Second. |
| 00:01:58.63 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:01:59.94 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:02:00.37 | Unknown | Thank you. Motion carries. And so... over to I think it's our police chief who has a very special recognition this evening. |
| 00:02:13.29 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:02:16.65 | Unknown | Thank you and good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Councilmembers, City Manager, City Attorney, City Clerk, audience. It's my pleasure to be here tonight. Thank you for giving us this time. We in the Police Department are always very fortunate to benefit from the public community input, community partnerships. The building that we work in is a symbol of how much support we receive from the community. I adore being there. It's a great environment to work in. And it does represent to us how much the community supports us. The community supports us in other ways. We have 23 volunteers who come into the department regularly to help us out. And then in the last year, we had a very special community partnership that was developed with Mr. and Mrs. Sealy and with some other assistance from Councilmember Weiner, who was then mayor. And as you know, in Sausalito, we have a lot of traffic issues, bicycles, buses now, and vehicles. And one of the most efficient ways to get around town to address those issues is on a two-wheeled vehicle. We... had one on loan for a couple of years, and then had to return it to its original agency and didn't have the funds to purchase it. And I'm very grateful to the Seelys because before this issue came up, Mr. Seely was in my office asking, how can I help you? Where are your needs? And it's been a very rewarding partnership for us in more ways than one because it's another example of community reaching out to us. It's a very significant donation to the police department, but allowed us to evaluate the value of community partnerships and really was the genesis of an award that we've created called the Community Champion Award. So in addition to gaining what's under the blue sheet, I wanna take one minute and introduce our part-time reserve officer Mark McAfee is in the back of the room and he's gonna assist me in this presentation. And while he's coming up here, I want to tell you that Mark was another gift to us last year. He comes to us as a retired CHP Sergeant who worked in the CHP for 26 years and worked in Marin, Sonoma, and Alameda County. And one of the many responsibilities he had during that time was to be able to was the supervision, training, and deployment of the motorcycle squad. So we benefit from, as we call him, Mac. Mac's experience and expertise in addressing traffic issues for 28 years with the CHP. We get him one day a week, and you may have seen him downtown It's not all about enforcement. It's about developing awareness around traffic safety. I think one Saturday recently, I saw something like 27 citations and 34 contacts. So well balanced. And everybody loves him. The community just loves him. So Mac, I wanna thank you for being with us. And now if you'll please unveil one of our new dual purpose motorcycles. |
| 00:05:48.40 | Unknown | This is Celie. We have two and the other one is Herbie. Thank you. These are... |
| 00:05:53.48 | Unknown | These are... |
| 00:05:56.55 | Unknown | 650 GS BMW motorcycles, and they were made possible with the generous donations of Mr. and Mrs. Seeley and Herb Weiner, and as I said, Thank you. |
| 00:06:15.38 | Unknown | So as I said, it gave us an opportunity to create an award so that we could truly recognize the community when they partner with us and especially in such a magnificent So I have, if you'd like to come up, a little something for you. And it says, Peter and Elizabeth Sealy Community policing champions. for advancing the Sausalito Police Department's mission to enhance safety quality of life, and community trust through your generous donation and support of the Sausalito Police Department's Dual Purpose Motorcycle Program. |
| 00:07:04.84 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 00:07:05.03 | Unknown | see him on drive off into the sunset. That's what I'm saying. How are you? |
| 00:07:07.81 | Unknown | Thank you. I do have to say one thing that |
| 00:07:10.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:11.14 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:07:13.84 | Unknown | Herb and I negotiated a side agreement that on the Thursday Sunday of every month, we get a loan from the chief of these two motorcycles. And we know where the hell the center of the beach. I'm going to call me. you Thank you. accepted, Linda, by the Harley crowd. You have to have a tattoo. |
| 00:07:32.06 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 00:07:32.69 | Unknown | I'm willing to do it, but if anybody in the council sees her coming in with a tattoo that says, born to be bad. Right. you you you Thank you. over to my . |
| 00:07:58.52 | Herb Weiner | wonderful asset for you that you contributed to the city. Thank you. I just hope you don't get a ticket. Thank you. |
| 00:08:04.55 | Unknown | okay councilmember Weiner I have something for you as well you don't get away that no |
| 00:08:04.58 | Unknown | Shit. |
| 00:08:04.97 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 00:08:05.04 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:08:05.83 | Herb Weiner | Once you're done, it. |
| 00:08:11.94 | Unknown | So for you, everybody knows that you are definitely a community champion in more ways than one, but we at the police department wanted to make sure that You knew we appreciate everything that you do, including THEIR HIGHER. the donation for the motorcycle. I want to read it out to you. To Herb Weiner, Community Policing Champion, for advancing the Sausalito Police Department's mission to enhance safety, quality of life, and community trust through your generous donation and support of the Sausalito Police Department's dual purpose motorcycle program. |
| 00:08:58.56 | Herb Weiner | Thank you very, very much. |
| 00:08:59.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Go ahead, Herb. Hop on. |
| 00:09:02.27 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 00:09:02.83 | Unknown | Yeah. |
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| 00:09:24.25 | Unknown | Who's getting me that? Bye. |
| 00:09:27.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
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| 00:09:30.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:35.30 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. No professional. |
| 00:09:46.55 | Unknown | No, I don't know if this goes upstairs. |
| 00:09:48.97 | Herb Weiner | Shh. |
| 00:09:49.90 | Unknown | Thank you. Amen. |
| 00:09:58.18 | Unknown | Well, no, we drive off in the sunset. |
| 00:10:00.97 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:10:01.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:01.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:03.85 | Herb Weiner | This is the best part. Thank you. |
| 00:10:06.97 | Unknown | I'm going to start this. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:10:17.99 | Unknown | Ha ha ha. |
| 00:10:22.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:28.76 | Unknown | So once again, Pete, Elizabeth, Herbie, thank you very much indeed. Our next, we have a presentation from... Sybil boot. Bull ETA, sorry, I may not have got that one quite right, on the activities of the Marin Commission on Aging. |
| 00:10:57.95 | Sybil | Good evening, Mayor Withi and Council Members. I'm happy to be here and report to you a little bit on the activities of the Marin County Commission on Aging, which I represent the – I represent the – South Salido on the commission. And I also want to mention some of the programs that already we're doing here in South Salido that fit in with the policies and priorities of the commission and the agency's area plan. Just to give a little background for people that aren't familiar with the Commission The Older Americans Act provides funding for a large number of social services in the county and in all counties. planning service areas, 33 in California, that are required to provide four-year area plans that go through the state, reporting on the use of the Older Americans Funds. The federal law also mandates an advisory council which in our county is the Commission on Aging. And that council is responsible for approving the area plan and also for advocating for seniors in the community. So the current area plan is from 2012 to 2016, and I'm just going to talk about some of the updates, some of the things we've been doing, and some of the things we're planning for the next period. You have a full copy of what I'm going to talk about, so I'll try to go fast, and if I miss some things, you can look it over later at your leisure. I did not give everybody a complete copy of the area plan update. but I have a couple of copies here. I just couldn't copy them all. and you can share them or make copies if you'd like to have them. |
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| 00:13:03.45 | Sybil | So some of the things that the commission has been involved in this past year is collaborating with Marines of villages with technical assistance and helping them specifically with volunteer driver programs. They supported us here, South Lidl's Age Friendly Initiative, by helping us to format our questionnaire in a very nice form. Every month the Commission has a one-hour public presentation on an issue of concern to seniors that's offered just prior to our meeting, and that happens at senior centers around the county at a different center every month. This year, some of the topics that we've included presentations on are the Affordable Care Act, transportation options and resources, emergency preparedness, housing, fraud and identity theft that's targeting seniors. So you have an idea of the kinds of things we offer in those presentations. And the Commissioner publishes the Great Age newsletter, which you all get copies of. And puts on two major events every year. One is the Senior Fair at the County Fair Exhibition Hall, which happened a couple months ago. And this Thursday is the Aging Symposium at Embassy Suites, which this year, our speakers will be talking about aging and technology and cognitive research for healthy brains. Um, I also want to mention that I'm a very active member of a South Salido Age Family Task Force, and our work on this initiative has really influenced the Commission and the Area Agency this year. They've embraced the World Health Organization domains as being important planning elements, and they have called upon us to mentor other cities that want to start up similar kinds of initiatives. So some of the key initiatives that are current and are being planned for this coming year are promoting an effective, well-coordinated, comprehensive system of care and support that's responsive to the needs of older adults and adults with disabilities and their caregivers. So the work continues in housing and transportation. The county provided transportation for seniors with disabilities or who did not have other transportation through the Marin Access Paratransit Services and the CATR guide taxi voucher. Between August 2013 and this January, six months, Paratransit performed 2,097 trips originating or terminating in South Salido and Marin City. They can't separate out because it goes by the zip code. And the catch a ride program, which is the taxi vouchers, the discounted taxi vouchers, provided 377 trips during that six-month period in and out of South Salido, just to give you an idea of uses of some of the county, of these county services. And the average trip on catch rides about three and a half miles and is about eight miles for paratransit, and that's system-wide. So nutrition is very important on our radar this year, and of course always. we were all happy to see me already helping out uh... to deliver the uh... deals on wheels uh... recently and uh... this is a program that is really get needs a lot of our attention this year there's almost daily a wait list of ten people and the way this has been as high as fifty this is countywide not just for south salido uh... the county also provides congregate meals, and these are tasty meals that are provided by one of our contractors, and they're provided once a week at different senior centers. They're available to any senior in the county. They can go to any of the centers to join in these meals. And it's very low cost by donation, optional donation. And the closest one to us is on Wednesday at the Marguerite Johnson Center in Marin City, and on Thursday at the Corribadero Recreation Center. So the Commission also participated in the Mental Health Services Act, SAICOTA planning process this year. We provided recommendations to the Division of Mental Health on services for older adults and for the three-year mental health, county mental health plan. One of our two representatives on the California Senior Legislature, who sits on our legislative committee with me, is developing a mental health services bill dealing with dementia and services for dementia, which is one of the underserved areas. So dementia we have as a separate priority in addition to mental health. I'd just like to mention that the Center for Disease Control has reported that 50% of persons over the age of 85 have developed some level of cognitive decline or dementia, including Alzheimer's. Now some of the, some dementias are are treatable and reversible. Of course, Alzheimer's isn't. So currently in our county there's only one adult day care which provides respite services for family caregivers, for people that are at home being cared for. And of course this is a, the eligibility gap which I'll touch on in a moment is a big issue also because which, and I'll explain that, only people under the federal poverty level, or depending on their age, 135% of the poverty level, are eligible for public services. And in South Salido in particular, we have a lot of people that fall into the gap where they can't afford to pay for services, private services, but they are not eligible for the public services. So we have a number of pockets of hidden poverty, and not just folks in anchor outs or liver boys, which we often think of. but also people who fall in that gap that I just mentioned. And I'll just mention for those of you that aren't familiar with it, the federal poverty level in 2011, which are some figures I have here, The federal poverty level was about $10,800. But the... Elder economic which was passed in 2011, requires counties to use the Elder Economic Index for planning services for seniors. And this is just the basic amount it actually takes for an older person to pay for housing, transportation, food, and a low level of health care. in Marin for a single adult um, elder. with a mortgage, living in their own home with a mortgage, the absolute bottom line is $40,916. and for a renter And a one-bedroom apartment, it's $29,408. It's hard to believe that there's a number of people in our community that don't have that. that they may have a home to live in, and but they don't have a very good income. The average social security pension is just over 12,000 per year And so it's, and SSI is even less than that. So people that are at the low end of the income range or have less than half of what they may need. So one of the programs that I recently helped in monitoring for the Commission was the Senior Employment Program, which has been managed by the YWCA, but this year is going to be moved into the agency itself. And in July the... Details will be coming out as how people can participate in that. And that's for low-income seniors who may want to find a way to enhance their income. So in the housing domain, we're, you know, we've been lucky to have Rotary Housing stepping up and providing some senior housing and looking at places for possible new developments for seniors. And of course, the housing element also is looking at affordable housing. But in Marin overall, 30% of persons over the age of 65 live alone. And in Sausalito, it's over 35%. And these are 2011 numbers. We can assume that that's probably gone up. So in addition to the risk of housing and food insecurity and isolation, household maintenance and safety is an issue. So according to the 2010 census, At that time, there were 1,495 South Slita residents over the age of 65. and 524 seniors We're living alone in South Salido. 335 homeowners and 189 renters. Those numbers have probably increased as well as people have gotten older. So our fire department steps up to help people with free fire and life safety checks for seniors. They advise folks on appropriate locations for smoke and carbon monoxide detectors. This is a... And they'll even help them install them if they need a hand. Just yesterday I was at the fire department talking with the... Deputy Fire Marshal held alerts And an elderly gentleman came in to make an appointment for help in placing fire protection monitors on his little boy. So this is something some people know about, but a lot of other people would be well advised to see if this is something that will help them to be more safe at home. The police department operates the R U OK program And it's an underutilized resource, and I hope that we'll be able to promote it more and get more people onto the plan. Currently, there's 23 people on the list, and these people, the police department has They provide a level of security for residents in the community that are particularly vulnerable by maintaining information about their health needs and emergency contacts, which I'm sure you may be familiar with, And so they're also able to immediately identify their locations in an emergency or a disaster. And I just found out tonight that Sergeant Gregory has worked to put that system onto a geomapping, their geomapping system, so all the officers can now access that information from their vehicles. And so just one other safety issue I wanted to mention so people would be aware of it, and that is the county sheriff operates a free telephone alert system for flooding, disaster issues. They'll even call people if there's a crime situation happening in your neighborhood that you need to be aware of. Fire, flooding. And it's currently all the landline phones in the county or on the system, but they've just added the capability for cell phones and voice over IP. So they're asking people to contact them through their website and get your cell phone registered so that you can be contacted if you're out of your house. And that's at www.alertmarin.org. um Thank you. so health disparities result funding in in in coming from Income inequality Um, And in Marin, life expectancy is very good. We're number one in the state for older women, life expectancy. Number five for gentlemen, sorry. I got to move then. OK. The highest age expectancy is in Ross, age 94. |
| 00:25:46.12 | Unknown | I got to move then. |
| 00:25:54.00 | Sybil | Um... In Marin City, it's 79, and here in South Salido, it ranges in the mid to high 80s on average. Um, So, and the top cause of hospitalizations here is orthopedic events. So the EMS calls and transports for older adults mostly results from falls. And the 2010 census said that we had 114,000 residents at that time over 85. And of course, this population is also especially vulnerable to falls and has a 50% risk of cognitive impairment. So this is a population that we really want to make sure we get onto the police list of people that are vulnerable and also to work on our age-friendly principles to see what we can do to help make Sausalito even safer for them. So one of the programs that the county runs is the Adult Protective Services, which responds to calls for help from adults in crisis. Over the last year in South Salido, there were 36 calls for help. and assistance. And I just want to mention that our police have indicated that several of those calls are people that have repeat problems. And the police here in South Salido receive specialized training in elder abuse issues and dealing successfully with persons with dementia or mental health issues. So they're ahead of the game here in helping these people who are in crisis situations. Another issue is incorrect use of medications, and the police department has a disposal been right outside the door of the station for people to dispose of unwanted or unused medications. This is one of the areas that the county is focusing on this year because of a lot of a lot of use of illegal or unprescribed medications that are especially a problem for younger people who are getting them from Say, of their grandmother's cabinets. So they're trying to make sure that people dispose of them. And also, people have a tendency to throw them in the garbage or put them down the drain or they flush them in the toilet and that impacts our water sources. Just a few more things. One of the other areas of focus is communications and dissemination of information. The area agency, with the help of the Commission, has greatly improved their website and is much more user friendly and I recommend people to go to it. It's, I won't read the long address here, but you can look up Marin Aging. You can Google Marin Aging and it'll take you there. And it's through the MarinHealthAndHumanservices.org website. um, The newsletters were widely distributed, it's online, and now it's in our library. And I just want to mention, South of Lido is doing a great job in moving forward this whole communication effort with South Salido Currents now and the Village, the Task Force, Recreation and Park. Edgewater Seniors, along with SCAN Health Plan, are putting on community education opportunities, and MarinScope's been open to carrying more articles on aging. So also I think that the distribution of the Age-Friendly Questionnaire has really put the whole community on alert to the aging issues and interests. I'm so little the last few things I just want to mention that One of the goals this year for the county is mobilizing action at the community level. to address unique needs of the people South Toledo is considered the county model for excellence in advancing this goal this year. Our age-filling initiative has inspired and motivated commission members in many other cities in the county. We were invited to meet with the Moran Community Foundation to discuss and inform the Strategic Plan on Aging and have been asked to mentor startup efforts in their towns, most recently Puerto Madero. And this is not surprising, as colleagues at the World Health Organization in Geneva informed us that South Salido's application was among the five best worldwide that were received for acceptance to the global network of age-friendly cities and communities in February. So I just want to make sure you are aware of how much South Salido is being recognized at both the county and the global level for the work that's being done here. And the very last thing I just want to touch on, because I do a lot of legislative and advocacy work with the county, Um, as we are the the commission is the federally mandated uh... entity for advocating for senior adults uh... some of the issues that were that are high on the agenda this year uh... are the reauthorization of the Older Americans Act, which pays for all of these community services, the nutrition, which was last year and this year by sequestration. So it's taking two hits, one on top of the other. And, um, Other important areas are protection and maintenance of Social Security and Medicare, of course. At the state level, we're concerned about proposed legislation to end funding for non-credit courses for older adults provided through community colleges. We've been pushing back on that effort. It's actually in the governor's financial plan for the year, as well as being a bill that's moving through legislation. But they've been listening, so hopefully we'll be able to have them put back some funding for older adults. Also safety and individual rights for persons living in residential facilities and adequate service and supports for older adults and persons living with disabilities who wish to age in place, among other issues. And we meet monthly with federal and state legislative representatives here in the county. Um, And we're currently working with the Board of Supervisors to streamline the county policy procedures for the Commission's advocacy efforts. And that's the end of my report. |
| 00:32:37.94 | Unknown | So we'll thank you. |
| 00:32:45.11 | Unknown | Thank you very much for that very interesting report. |
| 00:32:49.85 | Unknown | Sybil, you do an excellent job advocating for seniors and advocating for Sausalito. Thank you very much. |
| 00:33:00.68 | Unknown | okay um... Thank you. Item Number two on our agenda is public communications, and this is the time for the City Council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. And as you know, except in very limited situations, we can't comment. about your comments. So Is there any member of the public here who would like to comment? on anything that is not on the agenda. okay well who wants to go first |
| 00:33:42.43 | Unknown | And a reminder, you have three minutes. |
| 00:33:44.96 | Herb Weiner | Three minutes. 59 now. |
| 00:33:52.54 | Jeff Jacob | Hi, my name is Jeff Jacob. I live on a 26 foot sloop offshore of Sausalito. Hello, Mayor and Council and citizens of Sausalito. I just want to bring to your attention an article that's on the front page of the New York Times today. And it says, town meetings can have prayer. Justices decide. I'll read this. It says, In a major decision on the role of religion and government, The Supreme Court on Monday ruled that the Constitution allows town boards and city councils to start their sessions with sectarian prayers. The ruling by a five to four vote divided the court's more conservative members from its liberal ones. And their combative opinions reflected very different views of the role of faith in public life, in contemporary society, and in the founding of the republic. Okay? We didn't have a prayer to open up this meeting. We had the Pledge of Allegiance. And I've only spoken on One issue. before the council, and that has been public access. And it seems that as far as the details go, as far as getting the dock, which is gonna be discussed today, as far as getting showers, as far as getting the community garden, we have not been able to accomplish this together. So, the role of religion here is a way to have an overview of the big picture. that the little picture right now is details that we have... On the waterfront, the California Coastal Commission, the RBRA, the BCDC, the US Coast Guard, the city of Sausalito and the Marin Sheriff's all have jurisdiction in the bay. To be able to maneuver among all of these agencies is not going to be easy. I'm not saying it is. I'd like to... I'd like to read this. This is from Ezekiel. And this is Ezekiel 27. It's about tire Tyre is a great port city that has incredible riches. and The sailors now are not gonna be able to sail from Tyre anymore. is falling down. Okay. At the sound of your sailors' cries, the surrounding areas will tremble. They will descend from their boats. All who grasp an oar, rowers and all the sailors of the sea, they will stand upon the ground. They will let their voices to be heard about you and they will cry out bitterly. So you've heard some of that here from some of the people who live on the Anchorage. It's not always eloquent, it doesn't always make sense. There's not always a proactive agenda, but there is a pain that's coming from the hundred or so people that are living on the anchorage. Okay? uh... If I could, could I just? I'm gonna speak three more minutes later on about actual issues that we can work on together. |
| 00:37:00.98 | Unknown | Later on. |
| 00:37:04.36 | Unknown | Okay, thank you very much. |
| 00:37:19.02 | Bonnie Johnson | Hello, Bonnie Johnson, 210 Second Street. Okay, I only had two people fall off their bikes into my yard last week. And I almost got ran over two days ago when I was showing some tenants one of my units and I had to jump off the sidewalk into the street and I almost got hit by a car. You guys have the power |
| 00:37:43.66 | Unknown | Thank you. Bye. Bye. |
| 00:37:45.97 | Bonnie Johnson | to stop bicycles on the sidewalk. if they were just on the street and not on the sidewalk, I think there'd be less problems in this town. I really want you to think about this. Thank you. |
| 00:38:01.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:38:05.51 | Unknown | Steve. |
| 00:38:08.64 | Steve | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members, staff, and fellow residents. On April 22nd, we had a housing element update. We had a robust discussion with the city staff, the M group. One of the action items that came out of that meeting was that the M group and the city staff were to dialogue with HCD to look at possibly changing the housing element plan and also to include in there the removal of the VMU and HMU as part of that plan. My question to you, to the city staff, is there been an update since then? It's been a couple weeks now. Can anyone comment on that, whether there's been a dialogue? And if so, how will that be communicated to the public? |
| 00:38:55.04 | Unknown | Would either Mary or our city manager like to briefly answer? |
| 00:39:01.61 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, the very brief comment is that city staff, members of the council, members of the committee have gathered with the M group. They've started a series of dialogues to explore a lot of the options that were discussed at that council meeting with the intentions to hold a public meeting and invite the community to it. to explore and continue the dialogue. They have reached out to the state. The state, we understand, has also been in communication with people from the community. and they have, volunteer to come to that meeting so that we have everyone in the same room once that meeting is set. I don't know if that meeting date has been set, but that will be publicized and sent out just as Lily has sent out other information in the past. |
| 00:39:51.17 | Steve | Thank you very much. |
| 00:39:54.24 | Unknown | Thanks, Steve. |
| 00:39:56.25 | Sonya Hanson | Just as a clarification, my understanding is the meeting has been set, and it's Monday at 6.30. That's what I was informed by one of the members of the committee. So. |
| 00:40:09.04 | Adam Politzer | I know it's not Monday the 12th. because we have a Mirrorship Steering Committee meeting that evening. Thank you. |
| 00:40:14.32 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:40:14.49 | Adam Politzer | So it may be another day that week. So you may know more than I, but as of this afternoon, I know it wasn't the 12th. |
| 00:40:19.42 | Sonya Hanson | I'd love to know where he is. I know what's in the 12th. Okay, thanks, Adam. |
| 00:40:24.31 | Unknown | Was it Tuesday, actually? Because I saw a subcommittee meeting for the housing element on Tuesday, I think the 13th. Is that when? I think the meeting is happening. |
| 00:40:34.22 | Adam Politzer | I think that they are looking at that particular date, but they want to make sure that they have actually information to share that has been thoroughly explored so that we don't set up people's expectations to move a certain direction without the ability to confirm that. |
| 00:40:50.36 | Unknown | Thank you, Adam. I would recommend that you give the community at least a week notice before any meeting, too. |
| 00:41:00.54 | Sonya Hanson | Okay, my name is Sonya Hanson. Hello to all of you, council members, mayor, death? Residents? Thank you. Two weeks ago, you assured the residents of this town that you would go back to M Group and ask them to seek a new, a low-impact solution to Sausalito's housing element. Currently, the housing element includes horizontal and vertical mixed-use overlays. These are not low-impact solutions. They would result in 11-unit high-density housing projects. They would allow development without city design review. They would allow buildings up to 50 feet, 18 feet higher than our local limits. They would allow sub without city design review they would allow buildings up to 50 feet 18 feet higher than our local limits they would allow substandard parking requirements they would displace commercial use including the 7-eleven and the only centrally located laundromat as commercial as commercial use is displaced with housing the frequency of our car trips would would increase we would not be reducing greenhouse gases we would be increasing them as commercial use declines so good so does our town you all campaign claiming your goal was to preserve and protect our small town the vertical mixed-use and horizontal mixed use will do just the opposite the residents are watching you and your position on this issue We are not going away, and although our memories may be short, I know mine is, They will make it to November. Thank you. |
| 00:42:26.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:42:31.03 | Mr. Pennington | Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of the council. My name is Mr. Pennington, CEO of SOS Advocacy Group. I'm an advocate for the disabled. I'm here with a personal issue today. I also live on a vessel. I'm recognized by the state of California as a disabled person. There was a small craft advisory in the last day or so. I was... knocking on doors and marinas and trying looking for an ADA compliant for my vessel and uh... i was told there was none Thank you. And there's a three-year waiting list in certain marinas. And I find that to be problematic, negligent, and endangering. |
| 00:43:25.13 | Mr. Pennington | And I also have an access issue in the city. Right now, I'm tying my tender to a dock that is banded. Pretty flimsy also. But it's accommodating for myself right now to use that doc because there are no ADA-compliant docs. There's going to be discussion on this new doc that the city's planning on putting in. I'm encouraging the council to keep in mind that there's an act of Congress called the American Disability Act, and I brought a copy for, I didn't bring five copies, though, guys, so I brought one copy for all of you, |
| 00:44:19.09 | Mr. Pennington | And in the American Disability Act, it gives you guidelines in which to follow. We don't need to reinvent the wheel. The wheel's already been invented and it rolls. We just have to give it a little nudge. I'm encouraging the council to give that little nudge to make sure that the dock that's gonna be created is ADA compliant, lighting, power, water, length, size, height. all that. I'm willing to work with the city. I'm new to the area. I've been here six months. I plan on living here, and I plan on working with the city to help the city help others. That's what I do for a living. I get complaints from disabled people, and I take their voice, and I bring it to the council. That's what I do, and I hope that I won't be a burden to the council or the city. So thanks for letting me voice my opinion. Thank you. |
| 00:45:19.45 | Unknown | Thank you, sir. |
| 00:45:24.26 | Unknown | Is there any other member of the public who would like to make a communication this evening? Okay. um Item three, action minutes of the previous meeting. Do I hear a motion to approve as submitted, or does anybody have any changes? |
| 00:45:45.22 | Unknown | So moved. |
| 00:45:47.01 | Herb Weiner | Is that good? |
| 00:45:47.80 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:45:48.99 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 00:45:53.54 | Unknown | Our next item, four, is the consent calendar and Is there anyone up here who have any questions of staff before I throw this open for public |
| 00:46:07.87 | Unknown | Well, Mr. Mayor, I would actually like to pull item 4C. |
| 00:46:17.34 | Unknown | The boat, the dock, tourney boat ramp. |
| 00:46:21.88 | Unknown | Is there a particular issue that... you want. |
| 00:46:25.16 | Unknown | I have several questions. I don't think it's a Thank you. quick thing. |
| 00:46:35.11 | Adam Politzer | Well, our public works director will be here for the priority calendar item. So if you want to put this item on the end and if the council wants to do a check in on the time when we get to the priority calendar item, we can move it to the next meeting or we can try to hear it tonight. Thank you. I feel the perfect. |
| 00:46:51.76 | Unknown | Yeah, I will. |
| 00:46:53.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:53.48 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:46:53.51 | Unknown | Yeah, I will. |
| 00:46:54.07 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:46:56.86 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:46:57.51 | Unknown | I figured that out. |
| 00:47:01.36 | Unknown | Okay, is there any member of the public who have any comments on the consent calendar? Okay, seeing none. Okay, um... So you're suggesting we put it as, if we pull this, we pull it as item 6C. at the end of the priority calendar. |
| 00:47:27.50 | Unknown | It would be good to get there folks just here for that. Yeah. |
| 00:47:30.83 | Unknown | Yeah, yeah. |
| 00:47:31.75 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 00:47:34.52 | Unknown | How many people are actually here to discuss that item? |
| 00:47:37.54 | Unknown | Absolutely. to the book, Doc. |
| 00:47:39.45 | Unknown | Yeah, okay. It's okay. |
| 00:47:40.70 | Unknown | Okay. We sense your presence. |
| 00:47:48.43 | Unknown | We could put it just before the priority calendar. How does that sound? |
| 00:47:51.40 | Adam Politzer | Well, I think the other people, there are other people that are either here now or are planning on coming for the party. Are coming for that, yeah. You can take public comment. |
| 00:47:57.37 | Unknown | are coming for that, yeah. |
| 00:48:01.94 | Adam Politzer | on this item and then continue the discussion to succeed. |
| 00:48:05.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:05.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:06.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:06.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:06.09 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we're going to have a bunch of people who want to talk about the priority calendar. |
| 00:48:15.12 | Unknown | Do you want to sort of state your case and then go, and if you want to come back later, it's up to you, but at least you got your – you don't have to wait around to state your case? Thank you. |
| 00:48:24.83 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. So why don't you do that now then, sir? Mm-mm. |
| 00:48:44.23 | Jeff Jacob | Thank you, Council, and thank you again for indulging us to... talk about this item that 100 people are concerned about. Thank you. The dock is now gone. that Sally Stamford is no longer there, that I went to all of the meetings and discussed this, and we listened to people, and now... We're shy. some space. I was not personally going to that docket. It personally doesn't matter to me, but it's just an indication of how much we care about these people that are out there. So I'm just gonna read one more item from this New York Times article and what it says, It says that, When we pray, when we talk about why we're doing this, why we're here together, And we pray to God, we're not praying to just a generic God. Okay, this is something a little deeper than that. We can all come to it in our own way. And that each of these people that are out there are part of this. I mentioned this specifically for Herb. Today is preparation for reading out Jubilee. It's the Ovel section in, this is Leviticus 25.10 in your Bible and in your Torah. Okay. This is freedom. Declare freedom throughout the nation and to all the citizens therein. That's on the Liberty Bell. So it's also American law. The second part is forgiveness, neither reap nor sow. All deaths also are forgiven. The third part is fruit trees. that this is very specific, but that everybody gets an equal amount of land In the rural areas, in the cities, there's a different rule. This is the most advanced teaching that I've been exposed to. I take this seriously. I'm not suggesting that anybody, according to the Supreme Court, I'm not allowed to try and get converts. I'm not supposed to preach any damnation for the people that don't believe this. And I'm not doing that. But I'm saying that public access in the smallest way, the only public access we have is the Turney Street ramp that I Myself brought my boat there. to scrape the barnacles because I wasn't able to make way through the water. It's been used for that for many, many, many decades. I did receive a ticket for that. I was able to get out that night, which was the important thing. You know, whether I received the ticket or not, I mean, I'm going to have to deal with this. And that's good. I'm glad that somebody cares about this. So, Uh, What I'm asking for is that we keep the big picture. The picture that we sometimes call God, we sometimes call a more perfect union, keep that in mind. And the details will work themselves out Naturally. |
| 00:51:51.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:52.00 | Jeff Jacob | Thank you. |
| 00:51:53.30 | Unknown | So, um... Just as a reminder, |
| 00:51:58.30 | Unknown | Well said, well said. |
| 00:51:59.44 | Unknown | What we're gonna do is move this item to 6C. Is there anybody else who want |
| 00:52:00.29 | Unknown | is |
| 00:52:07.86 | Unknown | But for those who are not willing to stay all night, if you want to make public comment about that, Crystal, do you want to say something? |
| 00:52:16.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:52:17.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:52:18.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:52:18.75 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:52:18.92 | Unknown | Um, I don't know what to say. Actually, it's, you know, I went in this thinking that, you know, |
| 00:52:18.97 | Unknown | . |
| 00:52:26.83 | Unknown | The people needed resources. give them resources, they need it. To be an anchor out is kind of an embarrassment to tell the tourist, No, you can only park here. And you're getting a lot of tourists to come into this town. And the main reason why they don't stay is because there's no services. And we, when it comes to other SWAG members, we tried like, you know, well let's bring the community together and let's get like a fundraiser and donate money to pay off the tickets, you know, but. Sometimes members don't agree. And what can you do? But I thank you for trying. You know, we all tried. And you know, I saw the dock as like a symbol of peace between land and water. new leaf to be turned over for the better. Change hurts, trust me, I know. I... don't think that the tickets I know by the law, the tickets are there, |
| 00:53:42.21 | Unknown | What can we do? What can we do? I don't blame you. I definitely don't blame you. |
| 00:53:48.00 | Unknown | Thank you. . |
| 00:53:50.18 | Unknown | Or Jennifer. No. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:53:54.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:54.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:54.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:54.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:54.51 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:53:54.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:54.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:53:59.59 | Unknown | Okay, now you're sure that this really needs to be moved to the end of the calendar, to the end of tonight? |
| 00:54:07.91 | Unknown | I have several questions. I mean, we have an anchor out population that is exploding from 60 to over 100, we just heard. We're voting tonight on whether to increase sewer fees for the second time in five years. The anchor out population does not even pay sewer services. |
| 00:54:21.95 | Unknown | That's really good. the anchor out popular I don't know. Thank you. |
| 00:54:27.76 | Unknown | I have many very great very many questions regarding this doc. The 22,000 I don't believe is a realistic estimate. |
| 00:54:35.76 | Unknown | Then we will move it to item 6C. Thank you. |
| 00:54:36.67 | Unknown | And... |
| 00:54:39.08 | Unknown | Can we have a motion on the consent calendar then, please? |
| 00:54:44.18 | Unknown | Yeah. I make a motion to approve the consent calendar items for A, B, and D through H, and move item 4C to make it new item 6C. |
| 00:55:02.59 | Unknown | Second. |
| 00:55:03.94 | Unknown | What? |
| 00:55:04.00 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:55:09.03 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. I think we have put item 6A before 5, and so our next item, 6A, is the third update on tour bus activity and remedies for complaints. Captain. |
| 00:55:41.43 | Jonathon Goldman | Good evening, Mayor and Vice Mayor, members of the City Council. I was here last on March 18th to give you an update about the tour buses and to encourage council with some now misplaced optimism about a volunteer agreement we crafted with the San Francisco Tour Operators Association to volunteer agreement about having the tour buses leave Sausalito exclusively to the north. It became apparent after a couple of weeks of giving the bus companies a chance to get their route settled Not all of them were going to comply, even though they had been party to the agreement. So at that time we already started working on alternate methods to many of them I detailed in my staff report. I met actually with the owner and chief operating officer of the one particular company that I had the most problem with. I also did some community outreach, and I worked with the California Public Utilities Commission to learn a little bit more about what we were allowed to do or not allowed to do in terms of regulating the routes that the buses could take. So here we are now with this update ready to abandon the voluntary agreement and encourage the council to continue to work with the to move forward with formalizing the terms of that agreement into a City Council ordinance. So some place in here. Sorry. challenged. |
| 00:57:21.18 | Jonathon Goldman | Not happening. What am I doing wrong, Debbie? I just want to advance the couple. I only have three slides and a couple of lines. |
| 00:57:25.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:57:28.22 | Jonathon Goldman | Oh, here we go. |
| 00:57:41.47 | Unknown | Thank you. Is it an animal? Perfect, thank you. |
| 00:57:44.86 | Jonathon Goldman | for the assist. So I'm here to talk about some next steps then. And if you could just go to my next slide, thanks. |
| 00:57:55.96 | Jonathon Goldman | It's jinxed. So what I'd like to do is to recommend to the city council that we take the terms of the voluntary agreement and turn it into actual city legislation. And next please, Debbie. So the two key components are would be as we craft the language, will be no tour buses allowed southbound on Bridgeway beyond Anchor. That accommodates the buses that come in from the south and the buses that come in from the north to be able to make the turnaround Park on Humboldt. and then leave town going to the north. And equally important to the residents in that area is to formalize and declare that the Alexander South 2nd and Richardson corridor be a quiet zone. I mentioned in March that we already have some tools available to us, but after talking to many residents along the corridor, that some people actually live within 50 feet of the buses coming through, and so the 50-foot Motor Vehicle Code rule doesn't apply or help them any. And I probably should have known that then, but I certainly know it now. And so we are going to encourage that to be incorporated into the new ordinance. One more slide. So here's a timeline for council. is that We, from now until May 27th, will work out the language of an ordinance and bring it to you as a first reading. On June 10th would be the second reading. And July 10th, it would become law. So it's a really condensed version of the last six weeks or so. But I'm happy to take questions. I know there's people here to talk about it as well. So if you have questions for me. |
| 00:59:44.80 | Unknown | Yeah, so questions from counsel? |
| 00:59:49.38 | Unknown | John, what did you learn talking to CPUC in terms of their direction of what they consider we were allowed to do. |
| 00:59:57.82 | Jonathon Goldman | We are allowed to determine the routes because of the type of specific certificates that are issued to those tour buses. And it's certainly something I wasn't very familiar with six weeks ago, but I certainly am now, that |
| 01:00:12.77 | John Kassar | Thank you. |
| 01:00:14.91 | Jonathon Goldman | the certificates that they issue to the tour bus drivers compared to, for instance, the rules within San Francisco where they shut down those buses at Alamo Square, they have here because those buses have come from another county and are issued a charter party certificate for the bus, it's one of those many numbers that's on the side of the bus, that we, the city of Sausalito, can regulate what routes, they take in our city. We can't regulate how many trips any of them make, nor can we actually ban a particular style of a bus, for instance, like the ones with no tops. We have to be fair about that, and so that will be our challenge in working up our ordinance for you to review on the 27th. |
| 01:01:02.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:04.88 | Unknown | And this only applies to tour buses, does not apply to transit buses, so people who use our transit or in transit go into the city and such will not. But people see buses going southbound that are transit buses, correct? That's correct. |
| 01:01:18.73 | Jonathon Goldman | that the CPUC does not regulate, nor can we actually make the Golden Gate Transit Pardon me, I'm in transit, take a different route. So they're exempt from anything that we would put in place. Thank you. Okay. |
| 01:01:33.95 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor. |
| 01:01:34.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:01:34.98 | Unknown | Yes, and will the legislation include recommendations with respect to fines? |
| 01:01:41.83 | Jonathon Goldman | You mean how much money? It will, have yet to be determined. I'm sure that there's a wide range of enthusiasm for both ends of the spectrum, so we'll look at what seems to be the right balance of that. |
| 01:01:54.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:57.71 | Unknown | and If I may. |
| 01:01:59.35 | Unknown | John, why do you think it broke down? Obviously, not all the tour bus people are part of the voluntary agreement. At least that's what their representative said the last time. But why do you think the agreement, if you had to guess, it didn't. I mean, we had to give them a chance to fail. They failed miserably. So... |
| 01:02:01.26 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 01:02:14.42 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. I think that... It failed me. Yes. I think that the added time of leaving Sausalito northbound and turning around and going back up the hill on the freeway added about 20 minutes for their round trip. And for the companies that are doing the most volume, that impacted them the most. The fuel costs and time, the company with the open top felt that the experience for their customers wasn't as pleasant. They said, geez, you should ask the residents about pleasant experiences. Well, there were no sympathy from us about that. And so I think they just chose that. Of course our question to them is, would have been nice if you'd have mentioned that first. Because it wouldn't have come to council in good faith recommending a volunteer agreement. |
| 01:02:36.79 | Unknown | Mm. |
| 01:02:49.16 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:02:52.45 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:03:05.51 | Jonathon Goldman | And he sat at the table and said they would do it. So that part's very disappointing. Yeah. Sure. |
| 01:03:11.22 | Unknown | On the quiet zone, I don't know if you can go back to, well, maybe you could just say the quiet zone is going to run from, Can you go back over that? Thank you. Where will it start and where will it end? |
| 01:03:24.25 | Jonathon Goldman | We would want it to start, I'm just talking out loud now without formalizing it, but at the very entrance to the city of Saucydeo, at the Alexander entrance, right there. And then at least at the moment, I'm thinking it would go all the way to at least where the buses, |
| 01:03:30.88 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:03:31.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:39.25 | Jonathon Goldman | complete the turn off of Richardson onto Bridgeway. Thank you. |
| 01:03:42.74 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:03:42.76 | Jonathon Goldman | In the meantime, we're going to have some more community outreach to talk about that. There may be some support for making it a little bit further on Bridgeway. I don't know that yet, but it would include all of Alexander, all of South, all of Second, and all of Richardson. |
| 01:03:57.14 | Unknown | And it'd be good when you get public input to see about if there should be any other quiet zones because once they get downtown, I'm not sure, I mean, having them speak on the loudspeaker may not also, you know, we'll just add to the noise pollution. it |
| 01:04:11.38 | Jonathon Goldman | I haven't had any complaints about that, anything really other than the corridor. The corridor is unique in a lot of ways. One of them is just it's so close. and the structures just rise up from the street and it's all trapped there. And once the buses are on Bridgeway, there's some relief because of the one side is to the bay and it doesn't quite capture the sound the same way. But we'll work that out in a very short order. Yeah. |
| 01:04:39.53 | Unknown | There was some consideration on possibly including in that ordinance of buses, and I noticed it today, stopping. Actually, one today was a big bus pulled right into the median right in front of Trident. and was there for five minutes. I'm just wondering maybe if there's something that we could add to. Buses have to go directly to where the bus transportation hub is. |
| 01:05:09.95 | Jonathon Goldman | I would just say off the top of my head that that would be redundant. There's clearly already vehicle code that applies to that. They simply cannot stop. Okay. And so that would be an enforcement issue for us. |
| 01:05:14.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:05:19.74 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:05:23.11 | Unknown | All right. Thank you. Why don't we throw this topic out for public comment. So if anybody would like to come up and speak |
| 01:05:40.46 | Unknown | Yeah, you need to come up. |
| 01:05:40.70 | Unknown | You will need to come up to the micro front. |
| 01:05:44.44 | Unknown | And you wanted – did you want it on the public record or do you just want to ask him in the hallway after it's over? That's the question. |
| 01:05:51.87 | Unknown | Please. |
| 01:06:05.98 | Unknown | There are three issues for me as a property owner. I own the building at the corner of Richardson and Bridgeway. It's the old Victorian that sits right there on the boardwalk. And there are three issues for me. And one is maintenance of the building. The other is safety. And the other is the quality of life in general for the people that are living in that building. Obviously, maintenance, this black sooty stuff is all over the side of the building. THE FLOOR IS A BEDROOM AND A BATHROOM WITH WINDOWS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO OPEN, BUT WE CAN'T OPEN THEM BECAUSE IT IS SO FILTHY THAT IT WOULD JUST COME RIGHT INTO THE HOUSE. AND IF YOU TRY TO WIPE, YOU CAN'T JUST DUST IT OFF OR WIPE IT OFF. IT'S SMEARS BECAUSE IT'S GREASY. Even when we paint the building before the paint is dry, we have black particulate from in the paint. Um, So this is really a nightmare. And it's a historic building. It has historic status in the city as well as in the state. And so it's important to keep it maintained. according to all of the restrictions that I have. The safety of residents has already been brought up by the neighbor on 2nd Street. ONE OF THE TENANTS IN MY BUILDING JUST RECENTLY HAD AN EXPERIENCE OF WALKING ALONG ALEXANDER AVENUE and she almost got run down by two of the Blazing Saddle bicycles because they in turn were dodging a tour bus. There isn't room for all of this coming down Alexander. And as far as I'm concerned, I feel that the buses shouldn't enter or exit through Alexander Avenue. They should all go through the north end. When the bridge was built back in 1937, part of that project was the Waldo Grade, and the Waldo Tunnel because obviously there was going to be more traffic generated now with the bridge and it wasn't all going to be coming through our little towns. Well, it all is coming through our little town. AND, UM, I'M GOING TO BE You know, it's residential from Alexander DOWN 2ND STREET, DOWN THAT BLOCK OF RICHARDSON, DOWN BRIDGEWAY TO AS FAR AS THE ONDEEN THAT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL. And I feel that the people who live there Um, their quality of life is not being respected. And this is a concern, and it's a concern. I have a business there. I rent four units, and it impacts my business. It impacts the people who live there. AND ANYWAY, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT, THAT WE SHOULD JUST ELIMINATE FROM COMING IN OR GOING OUT. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. |
| 01:08:48.82 | Unknown | Thank you. Um... So please, is there anybody else who wants to come up and ask questions? We've got Captain Roebucker here. I'm sure he'd be delighted to answer. |
| 01:09:00.58 | Unknown | or make a statement. |
| 01:09:04.87 | Karen Emerson | Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Councilmembers. Karen Emerson, 215 Bridgeway. you from the last meeting, March 18th, when the Tour Bus Association agreed that to have the tour buses exit north, I started watching I have a clear view from my home. And I was |
| 01:09:24.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:28.85 | Karen Emerson | from, let's see. |
| 01:09:33.00 | Karen Emerson | they all. You know, there were 45 buses going south for a period there in |
| 01:09:34.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:34.91 | Vince Majora | Thank you. |
| 01:09:34.96 | Unknown | you |
| 01:09:41.77 | Karen Emerson | Let's see, sorry, I was gone all day and didn't have a chance to really write up my notes. |
| 01:09:43.60 | Unknown | I was gone all day. |
| 01:09:48.61 | Karen Emerson | Anyway. But it's not only the tacky red tour buses, it's the big charter buses, I would say, that are huge. There seems to be an increase in the use of those. Also on Tuesday, April 8th at 4.07, I observed a fire engine and – oh, no, two fire engines and an ambulance coming south with all their sirens blazing, as they should be, trying to get around the corner at Bridgeway and Richardson. There was a Golden Gate Transit bus that didn't seem quite to know what to do. It did manage to pull over in front of that yellow building on the corner of Bridgeway and Richardson. But then another tour bus was coming in the other direction. So there were a few minutes there where it was, you know, how were these emergency vehicles going to get passed and in an emergency an emergency situation where seconds count this could have been a tragic event and As far as the noise, I think the, besides Alexander South Richardson, the Bridgeway zone should extend to 555 Bridgeway because that's entirely residentially zoned. And when they used the microphones, the sound just blares all over, sound carries up, and so a lot of people are affected. Back in March of 89 in the Marin Scope, February 28th, March 6th issue, that was when the City Council addressed the large buses banned from Bulkley. And Councilman Ray Buddy at the time pointed out that the large tour buses weighed 24 tons unloaded and said that they were too heavy for residential streets. Well, all of those streets are residential streets. And he further commented that such large buses result in noise, traffic, and damage to the streets. So my solution is that all the buses, all commercial buses should enter and exit from the north end. There's four lanes for much of that area. |
| 01:12:09.04 | Karen Emerson | And hop-on, hop-off buses often come back through Sausalito with just three to five passengers and sometimes entirely empty. It makes no sense. So I hope he'll take all this. Also, I was surprised that the meeting was tonight. If it hadn't been for Captain Rohrabacher, I wouldn't have known about this meeting. I thought the subject had been scheduled to be at another time. But here we are again, and probably not as many people here who would like to talk about it. THANK YOU. |
| 01:12:42.29 | Unknown | Thank you. Is there anybody else who'd like to... have a say. Yes. |
| 01:12:50.89 | John Kassar | My name is John Kassar and I'm a resident on 25 Alexander, which is Alexander right at Edwards where that big mirror sign is. And actually the question I have is was there a study done for both directions or just one direction or as part of the study that you looked at? |
| 01:13:09.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:09.79 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, sir. |
| 01:13:10.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:10.97 | Jonathon Goldman | The question about whether we actually studied north and south is we did not actually count or go to the north. The first solution was to try and cut the amount of trips in half by having all the buses leave to the north, hoping that would provide some relief. But seeking direction from the council, we will work on whatever tasks the council asks us to, whether it's all northbound, you know, Bridgeway or not, but not any kind of study per se of, I don't know if anybody out there counting buses or anything like that, since they don't, very few come from the north end unless they're coming back from your woods. And that's where those come from. |
| 01:13:47.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:48.60 | John Kassar | The reason I ask the question and council may or may not know, but right at 25 Alexander or right at Edwards and Alexander, it gets very narrow. You get the tourist bikers and right and I've actually gone down many a times to either call 911, deliver ice for bikers that have fallen off right there at Edwards and Alexander. So I'd ask the council to say, From a public safety standpoint, and I realize there's an economic standpoint for bringing in the tour buses from the coming up northbound. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of economic reasons to have them come. But from the pure safety standpoint, coming down, getting narrow, the... Tourist bikers who are not as savvy as some of the other bikers creates a lot of havoc for them, possible accidents, because I've seen them all coming down there and been out there. And then, of course, public safety, as the previous resident brought up, how do we get safety vehicles up because there's always accidents a little further up going south now. So I just ask the council to say, If you're gonna look at it, exiting going northbound, potentially also entering from the Marin City exit. Thank you. |
| 01:15:15.01 | Unknown | Thank you. Is there And yes. |
| 01:15:23.39 | Bonnie Johnson | Bonnie Johnson, 210 2nd Street. I think that you guys just heard it all. And the one question that I had for the captain was, is there a law that makes them rather than the loudspeaker to go to headphones? Is there anything we can do about that noise pollution in letting them bring a bus in here. |
| 01:15:48.52 | Jonathon Goldman | to answer your question, there actually is not until we create the quiet zone part of the ordinance. Providing that's the direction the council gives us and the ordinance includes that, the quiet zone means absolutely no use of the tour PA system whatsoever. So it needs to be that or nothing at all because the current vehicle code rule won't suffice, which we initially hoped it would. But a quiet zone means a quiet zone, and that's it. in between. It's either quiet or it's not. And I find that that's common in other places that I called about quiet zones. That just means turn that thing off because there will be no chatting on the bus during the area for the quiet zone. That answers your question. |
| 01:16:37.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:38.94 | Bonnie Johnson | It does. Okay, we got bells ringing right out in front of my house. We got so much noise going on, it's ridiculous. I know this is a problem, I know you're trying to work on it and think about some kind of resolve for this, But damn, I'm a resident. I've been here 25 years and I'm ready to move. And it's not just me. I know there's a couple other people that have put their houses up for sale, too. It's very frustrating. in. I know you guys know. Okay, thank you. |
| 01:17:14.40 | Unknown | Thank you. please. |
| 01:17:27.47 | Patricia Pigman | Good evening. My name is Patricia Pigman and I live at 59 Alexander Avenue. It's all been said, but It's so important, I'm going to say it. all again. We live in a neighborhood. and our neighborhood is under siege by tour buses, by bikers, by walkers. Somebody's already pointed out that there's one part of Alexander that doesn't even have a sidewalk. And you've got walkers, bikers, cars, and now these huge tour buses. the rental bikers don't know where they are, don't know where to go. and now they're dodging tour buses. I think it's great. the recommendation. to go out the other end of town. |
| 01:18:26.72 | Unknown | down. |
| 01:18:27.84 | Patricia Pigman | But please. Think about our neighborhood. I am an ancient resident having moved here 52 years ago. So I don't want to tell you what downtown was like with the grocery store Blah, blah, blah. That's gone. and it's never coming back. But my neighborhood isn't gone. and I really want you to save it. I don't want to leave. but I don't want to continue with the barrage and siege that our neighborhood, it's, we're residents. We live here every day. We don't come in on a bus and leave. And, I just... I find it. to understand. I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE. on Alexander. when there's no bike lane on either Alexander South or second. And it's a one-way Street, I mean a one-lane street. Whereas the other end of town, you've got two lanes, you've got a bike lane, and you've got a sidewalk, and you don't have all those rental bikers. So, It just, I'm just having trouble understanding why they're going out the other end of town and coming in on this narrow street with no bike lanes and all the tourist bikers. I don't know, it doesn't make sense. Plus, it's a residential neighborhood where Sosceledans live. So I just... I just really ask that you Consider the residence. Did I do that? I just ask that you consider having the buses Leave. the other way, but also come in the other way. I just would deeply appreciate it if you could find a way to do that because There are many, many residents in our area. Thank you. |
| 01:20:57.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:21:02.16 | Unknown | Is there any other member of the public who would like to speak on this matter? Dorothy. |
| 01:21:16.57 | Dorothy | When Patricia gets up here, I have to, too. I'm sitting back there thinking. I came over here in 54. I remember a council meeting way back then when things were tight and tense like now and it was people from the same area of town, Old Town, objecting to the flow of traffic off the Golden Gate Bridge down into Sausalito at the first bend. And the sign said to Sausalito. All they ended up doing was to change the sign. Alexander Avenue. So people went north and came back the other way, or at least a large part of them did. Then I'm thinking, when 1975. when we got our Golden Gate National Recreation Area after the Sixth Army. And then that the park was going to put in this huge, huge hotel. So I think it was Amy Belser appointed a committee And I was lucky and got on the committee. And we talked about all the people that were going to come in to this grand, wonderful commercial hotel. And then we decided no. And we had an uproar. from all the people who lived down along Alexander Avenue. And sure enough, there was enough consensus. that it was decided. that we would... Protect the area. And be very clear that signs would not be pointed to that hotel. and that it would be very sort of a subdued kind of environment. And we would not reach out. and, and encourage people to come to Sausalito from their hotel. So we put a damper on it really is what it amounted to. Now you've got these commercial vehicles coming in here, and they are not only a hazard, physically, but they're a health hazard to boot. And we just had today this warning about we've come to the day when we've got to decide are we going to live or not on this planet. And I don't understand, and I don't think anybody really understands. Why don't we just say no? |
| 01:24:05.35 | Unknown | Is there anybody else who'd like to comment on this item? Okay. |
| 01:24:11.04 | Unknown | So, um, |
| 01:24:15.48 | Unknown | John, would you mind answering a couple more questions? As far as the – we talked about this at the last meeting, but I don't know if you had a chance to look into this. But as far as the air emission standards and all that stuff that we talked about at the last council meeting – or the one in the last hearing on this particular thing, that's all controlled through the – through what agency? And they get granted some sort of leniency to these particular types of buses to for some reason. That's all controlled through what agency? And they granted some sort of leniency to these particular types of buses for some period. I don't know if you remember. |
| 01:24:47.99 | Jonathon Goldman | I do remember. There's actually two pieces to that. The California Air Resources Board, part of the Air Quality Commission for the state, sets those standards and has a whole pipeline of deadlines for all diesel engine equipped vehicles to meet and the tour buses are included in that there's |
| 01:25:09.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:25:09.55 | Jonathon Goldman | Nothing that we, the local police, can do about that. But it's in place. I can't imagine they would violate it. Maybe some of them are still waiting for their deadline or whatever, but it's not really our area. The actual inspection of the buses is something that is done by the California Highway Patrol. And I didn't bring it up in my first comments, but since I drafted the staff report and due last week in between time, I've actually reached out to the Highway Patrol and to the motor carrier unit, the officers that work the commercial scale unit, to come and help us with some inspection services on the buses that come into town. And they've agreed to do that. I was talking to one of the supervisors of the motor carrier unit today trying to set that up for as soon as they can come over and give us a hand. There's a few specific enforcement sections that have to be handled by the Highway Patrol and maybe a small handful of less significant ones that the local police can do. So reaching out for the partnership is gonna be better for us. |
| 01:25:23.03 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:26:17.97 | Unknown | Right. And as far as the charter buses, they have a different permit class, I'm assuming from |
| 01:26:19.63 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:26:19.73 | Jonathon Goldman | Anyway. |
| 01:26:20.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:27.88 | Unknown | the normal kind of tour buses versus the hop on, hop up. Hop on, hop up. Okay. You know the other – the on and off buses. Thanks very much. And is that precluded – we don't have the same ability to restrict their route? |
| 01:26:49.28 | Jonathon Goldman | We did that there's a type of passenger bus that comes under a certificate issued by the California Public Utilities Commission called a passenger stage corporation. I have no idea what that means other than it means that the PUC has exclusive control over all of those. And none of that falls on us to be able to do anything about meaning us, the city of Sausalito, or any other local jurisdiction. Those vehicles that are issued a certificate called a charter party carrier, |
| 01:27:05.49 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:27:05.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:27:18.40 | Jonathon Goldman | we are allowed to do our routing regulations with. Okay. The buses that are coming to the attention of everybody, residents and people that see them, those all have that charter parter carrier certificate. |
| 01:27:23.18 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:27:32.65 | Unknown | Great. And my last question is kind of the big one that some folks have brought up, is do we have the ability to say no access at all? Or is there – to that class of bus versus who cares what route it takes, is that within our – do we have that ability of local control or not? |
| 01:27:56.27 | Jonathon Goldman | Is it no buses in Saucelito at all? |
| 01:27:58.97 | Unknown | this class of bus. |
| 01:28:00.67 | Jonathon Goldman | Right, actually you do, you could say that. That's probably on the far end of the scale, but yes, you could say that and not have us just come here. |
| 01:28:12.84 | Unknown | And it's my understanding that – and just clarifying from what I've read, that San Francisco did that around Alamo Square, but then they immediately got sued by all the tour bus companies, and that's winding its way through the courts. Is that – I don't know if you know about that one, but is that – |
| 01:28:12.86 | Jonathon Goldman | All right. |
| 01:28:32.03 | Jonathon Goldman | I actually don't know a lot about it. I know that the bus companies, the Tour Operator Association, were not satisfied with the decision by the San Francisco MTA because there were some issues about whether they actually had the jurisdiction to pass the rule that they did. Okay. And so there are some unique issues about San Francisco. And those buses were originating and ending their operation within the city, which is a different set of rules than those that cross the county line. Okay. That's not quite some of the. were originating and ending their operation within the city, which is a different set of rules than those that cross the county line. Okay. So it's not quite some of the same comparisons. Okay. |
| 01:28:33.72 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:28:47.67 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:28:58.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:28:58.28 | Unknown | you |
| 01:28:59.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:28:59.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:28:59.60 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:28:59.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:29:03.06 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:29:03.47 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:29:04.21 | Unknown | I have a question. What were called the tour buses, you called it a charter? What was it? Charter party carrier. Charter party carrier. And then there was another class of buses, large buses that come in. And what was that defined as? They're called passenger stage corporations. Passenger stage corporations. We know that we can largely restrict the tour buses, I'll call them. The other ones. I think they have. |
| 01:29:10.03 | Herb Weiner | charter. |
| 01:29:23.28 | Jonathon Goldman | The other one. If they have both types of certificates, which some do, they would have to comply with whatever we say because they hold the charter party carrier certificate, which we can't enforce. They don't happen to have dual certificate for a different reason, but that doesn't exempt them from something that we create locally. |
| 01:29:34.89 | Unknown | which we get. Thank you. |
| 01:29:36.73 | Unknown | So, |
| 01:29:43.34 | Jonathon Goldman | Right. |
| 01:29:43.98 | Unknown | So we're focused on some of these on and off buses, but some of the other buses. Would we be able to restrict the size of buses that go up and down Alexander Avenue going on the south end of town? |
| 01:29:56.67 | Jonathon Goldman | as in weight or length |
| 01:29:58.60 | Unknown | Yeah. Well, either any of those by any of those means, because I mean, one of the problems are some of them are quite large and we'd be great to encourage small buses that large buses may have to come in on the north and smaller buses can. So, I mean, I'm just wondering what what we can do. |
| 01:29:58.61 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. Yes. |
| 01:30:16.37 | Jonathon Goldman | It's another option to get into dividing up the bus by size, capacity, weight, length, and such. It poses just a little bit of a, maybe not so little, but an enforcement issue for us, depending on how police, depending on how it was written, having no ability to measure or weigh the buses. So that's why we tend to a little bit stay away from that other than some of the simple classifications like the simple eight passenger bus type thing is pretty easy to identify. But as soon as we get into something that has weight and length, it's a little bit more complex. Not impossible, but a little bit more complex about having accurate enforcement for something that is, you know, 31 feet versus 30 or some such thing like that. |
| 01:31:06.55 | Unknown | Well, we know the lines, but if you draw a line, and certainly the ones that are much larger, we could control them in a certain smaller room. |
| 01:31:13.03 | Jonathon Goldman | in certain small places. |
| 01:31:14.30 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:31:14.69 | Jonathon Goldman | AS WE CAN DO IT. |
| 01:31:14.97 | Unknown | went along. |
| 01:31:15.51 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:31:16.00 | Unknown | And just to be clear, So we could control or have ordinances that control all buses other than our transit buses. Is that basically correct? Yes, anything other than the public transit. Public transit. |
| 01:31:29.76 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:31:32.61 | Unknown | Is there any reason we wouldn't have the quiet zone extend throughout town, including the northern end of town? you know, for these tour buses? |
| 01:31:47.69 | Jonathon Goldman | Whatever council direction you give us is what we will work on. |
| 01:31:50.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:50.66 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. And, Mr. Mayor, if I could just add to that, you know, the evidence that we have currently is from the south end of town because that's where the buses are. So we'd have to have some, you know, extension of that justification to extend the |
| 01:31:54.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:54.14 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:31:54.19 | Unknown | Please. |
| 01:32:05.80 | Mary Wagner | The court would give deference to the city's findings of the need, but we'd have to make sure that we had that type of information to include. |
| 01:32:18.32 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. |
| 01:32:19.94 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, I have a follow-up question for the city attorney. Thank you. |
| 01:32:23.20 | Unknown | Please. |
| 01:32:23.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:23.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:23.55 | Unknown | Thank you. So Mary, do you think to your comment, would you think that the fact that our findings with respect to the impact of residents in the south end of town that buses traveling in the north end of town might have a similar impact in terms of the sound? Mary Annette- It's my understanding that the sound |
| 01:32:41.09 | Mary Wagner | in terms of the sound? It's my understanding that the sound issue is exacerbated in the south end of town because of the juxtaposition of the houses and the buildings to the street itself. So if that same condition exists in the north end of town, it's likely that same reasoning could apply. |
| 01:32:57.88 | Unknown | Okay, thanks. I'm just looking at extending the quiet zone throughout town, that's all. |
| 01:33:03.83 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:33:03.87 | Unknown | Just to be clear though, you may get to |
| 01:33:03.88 | Unknown | Question. |
| 01:33:07.41 | Unknown | Captain Rohrbacher made it sound like we didn't have we had fairly wide discretion in creating quiet zones and |
| 01:33:14.26 | Mary Wagner | I concur, Vice Mayor Theodorus, but it's important to understand that it does need some justification and the information has been supplied by the public with respect to the south end of town |
| 01:33:14.31 | Unknown | I concur. Vice President. |
| 01:33:24.84 | Mary Wagner | and I concur with Captain Warbacher that we the council has the ability to do that. My only point was to ensure that we make sure that we have that. that basis to extend it. I don't believe it's insurmountable. |
| 01:33:40.00 | Unknown | Thanks. Okay. I have one last question. |
| 01:33:43.07 | Unknown | THE CITY. |
| 01:33:43.34 | Unknown | one. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:33:44.22 | Unknown | like, |
| 01:33:44.30 | Unknown | Last question, then. MR. It goes to the meeting we had with the chief and the captain earlier today. Well, totally different subject. But we're creating – this is a good thing. We need to control these guys. But as far as resources to actually enforce this, would it require additional – police officers to enforce this and do we need to take that into account? |
| 01:34:11.10 | Jonathon Goldman | I would just venture that the initial application of a new ordinance would have a little bit of growing pains, but I don't believe that the companies would really line up for citations for violating the rule. I mean, it doesn't make good sense for them. It's like an example in Alamo Square, once the city of San Francisco made that rule, the buses never came back. It just sort of makes no sense that they would. |
| 01:34:11.22 | Unknown | Just. |
| 01:34:26.06 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:34:39.06 | Jonathon Goldman | So, yeah, initially there would probably be little work for us and something we would monitor. I think that the... Um, issue of the I think that the quiet zone though would take more diligence on our part because maybe somebody would try and get around that or not be in compliant. in terms of either you're going back to Saucydo or San Francisco using Southbound. Bridgeway or not, that's easy to determine if you're in violation of the law. but monitoring the noise thing would be, but again, I think that some citations issued usually gets the word around that that won't work. |
| 01:35:21.65 | Unknown | Thank you, Captain. you Okay, let's bring it up for debate and discussion. Remember we time ourselves. |
| 01:35:37.72 | Unknown | Who wants to go first? |
| 01:35:42.41 | Unknown | I'll go first. I think this is a good start on it. And I think it was a good thing that we went with an agreement with the bus companies. I mean, it shows that we're reasonable. I think one of the things that helped is that we've now identified who some of the good guys and some of the bad guys are in dealing with. And we worked some things out. There has been some delay, so that's unfortunate. But I think now that we're taking action, I think this is the first step. I think this is something that we can do that's pretty obvious to do. That doesn't mean it's going to be the last thing that we'll do. I think I would go along with, of course, coming in on the south and going in the north. I think we should expand the quiet zones to any resident – if residential is anywhere on the path, I think that we should do that. I don't know that they have a need. I'm not too worried about enforcement because if the bus is closed and they have headphones, we're not going to worry about it. If it's open air and we can hear them, I think it's going to be a different issue. And I would also want to – you said that the no stops, we already had the ordinance in place, but I want to make sure that we do, and if there's any doubt, to add that. |
| 01:35:42.95 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:35:42.97 | Unknown | I think he's |
| 01:36:54.55 | Unknown | And I think in the future we have to look at maybe other possibilities on these buses, including size limitations. And, you know, they may need ultimately to come in on the north end and go out the north end. |
| 01:37:12.76 | Unknown | Yeah, I kind of think it's a little unfair to – if you remember the last meeting was the same meeting we had at Spring Street, and the folks who were there for Spring Street said, hey, we don't want these buses in the north end either. So I think you either ban them outright and just say you can't – you know, you just can't come because it doesn't fit, and – or because otherwise you're shifting. It's like the housing element. We're just – we're pushing in here, or because otherwise you're shifting. It's like the housing element. We're pushing in here, and it pops out over there. So I think you'll hear it from the north end if we make everybody go out the north end. because it's all mixed-use residential all the way through Sausalito. There's nothing that's not residential along the Bridgeway corridor that has some component residential in it. in terms of Most of the properties on the second floor have that mixed residential. um, Actually, we're requiring it in our current. Um, So I would just say if we have the legal standing and we have the gumption to be sued by the bus companies, as if I were them, I'd sue us, to just ban them outright, I think it was a good idea to hold out the hand of… Let's work together. They took the handshake and then turned around and did whatever the hell they wanted to. So that's okay. You told me what you're all about. So I would be in favor of the more of the just say don't come because rather than shift the problem to somebody else, I think that's not fair to other people in the same community. I hope that economics would at some point drive this? having empty buses running around all day would at some point make some of these guys scale back. their plans or their routes or whatever. I guess they make enough money from the ones that are full to cover the ones that are empty or whatever the case may be. So from my point of view, I would just say just ban them. I mean, I think that's not – what's the unfortunate outcome, but I think that's the simplest thing to do. |
| 01:39:23.50 | Unknown | well Thank you. |
| 01:39:24.89 | Unknown | . |
| 01:39:25.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:25.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:25.19 | Unknown | Thank you. I think banning might be at this point a little too extreme. I feel that... We should go ahead with the Um, ordinance that does not allow him to go south. After Bay. in the quiet zone. I think we can get that in place. I'd like to see it earlier, but here it says by July 10th. And if that doesn't work, or we're not satisfied with it, We... We'll take the next step. And it was basically one or two companies that broke the ranks. One never really – Thank you. didn't even cooperate at all. And what happened was a lot of the other buses saw this going on. got frustrated and said, Why are they doing it and we have to go north? I think given the opportunity, to put this into place. with a real stiff fine I think we'll really be able to see that And if that doesn't work, then then we just don't have them coming in through that end of town. if we don't see a dramatic decrease. |
| 01:40:48.35 | Unknown | Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I want to thank all the residents who came tonight, and not only tonight, but the letters and your efforts and everything you've done over the past year when the bus chaos began. It has been intolerable. It has been a good time. incredible safety hazard. not only for residents but for any of the visitors to Sausalito. on cyclists and pedestrians and drivers. With respect to, so bottom line, I'm thrilled to see finally after a year, and I think the The Council first heard this issue on November 20th, in 2013 to see this legislation. And I'm very happy to see the timeframe moving very aggressively. I think we need hefty fines on this to let them know that we're serious and we need to recoup the time that our police officers will be enforcing this. I think we need to extend the quiet zone through the north end of town. so that we don't have the loudspeakers blaring there as well going north or going south as they exit. So obviously I believe that it is a safety hazard having the number of tour buses coming into town. On Alexander it's a two-lane road. There are no bike lanes. There's not even a place to walk. We've got hundreds of thousands of cyclists coming in on the north end of town. In terms of traffic congestion on the north end – I'm sorry, hundreds of thousands of cyclists coming in on the south end of town coming off the Golden Gate Bridge. In terms of traffic congestion, I was very upset on behalf of the north side when the Lize schools started using their campus to shuttle children in who don't even live here and don't go to school here on their way to San Francisco. So I think that in the coming years will be a huge traffic impact. in the – to the north residents. I think that having driven behind one of these buses heading towards the Golden Gate Bridge on Highway 101. Those buses don't have the guts, they don't have the engines, really, to go beyond like 45 miles per hour up the freeway. I would be surprised. Their numbers are going to dramatically – I think if we had the buses entering and leaving in the north end of town, their numbers would go down. I think their numbers would plummet. if we had them entering and exiting in the north end of town. That's my personal opinion. So I guess bottom line, I'm thrilled to see at least something with TEETH legislation going forward. I wish that we were not having them on that one lane or, you know, two lane place because I think it's a safety hazard. But I'd go forward with what the consensus council majority is giving us and I just hope we have hefty fines. |
| 01:44:05.03 | Unknown | Thank you. So you wouldn't ban them out, right? |
| 01:44:09.99 | Unknown | I guess I would wait to see what the impact is. You know, let's see what the impact is. And hear from, I mean, it's all about transparency and listening. You know, I mean, the last year, I've been listening to the residents complain about this. And I think it's high time we got this legislation. I'm thrilled to see it moving forward. And I think that if we were to, have the buses enter and exit in the north end of town, we need to listen to those residents in terms of impact. So it's a step-by-step process. |
| 01:44:45.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:44:45.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:44:45.60 | Unknown | It's been on the record. |
| 01:44:46.39 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is This problem came on us in a real rush in the last 12 months. There seemed to have been something that changed, that upped the volume here. And it's really important that we act pretty fast. July 10th is well into the season. So it's a pity we can't get it done earlier. But I know the more complicated we try and make it, and the more bells and whistles we add on, we won't get this done until the fall. So I would strongly recommend that we go with what the captain has suggested, and as Council Member Pfeiffer has indicated, let's try this out, let's see if this brings down the volume in and of itself, entering into the south, leaving into the north. The very fact that buses were cheating the agreement, means that they didn't want to Go to the north so they may not come at all. So just that may bring the volume down. Each side of town is just getting half the total number of trips there could be, so that's a good start. So I would move as fast as we can under the proposal that's been proposed. And... monitor it, and consider at the end of the season new legislation if it hasn't worked. |
| 01:46:20.25 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, would you entertain an amendment to that motion to have the buses enter and exit the north end and to monitor the impact? |
| 01:46:29.99 | Unknown | I don't think there's a motion on the table. |
| 01:46:32.05 | Unknown | Oh. I thought you made a motion. |
| 01:46:35.12 | Unknown | I would |
| 01:46:36.03 | Unknown | putting forward his point. |
| 01:46:36.97 | Unknown | I was just putting forward my point of |
| 01:46:36.97 | Unknown | I was just putting forward my point of view. Occasionally the mayor is allowed to talk, right? Mm-hmm. |
| 01:46:46.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:46:46.96 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:46:47.03 | Unknown | Okay. So I'm looking for a motion. Well, I move that we... |
| 01:46:47.86 | Unknown | Looking for a motion. |
| 01:46:54.44 | Unknown | take the recommendation of Captain Murbacher in terms of having the buses go from the the tour buses as defined. only go from the south end through the north end. that we include in that ordinance a very significant fine for anyone that violates it i also would The one change on the quiet zones, I would have the quiet zones to extend to any residential area as they go through. I would err toward more quiet zones than fewer. I think tourists These buses in some ways help our traffic. They bring people in. Buses are not necessarily a bad thing, but we certainly need to limit them. We may ban them if this doesn't work. I certainly looked at this as a trial period, but I don't think there's a need that they have to. be able to blare on the loudspeakers as they go through town. Extend that. That'd be my motion. |
| 01:47:48.27 | Unknown | I'd second that. |
| 01:47:52.20 | Unknown | Can we have a voice vote or do you want a roll call? |
| 01:47:57.62 | Unknown | I think you can get a voice. Okay. All in favor of that motion. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. That motion carries 5-0. Okay. |
| 01:47:58.72 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:48:01.43 | Michael Racks | Thank you. |
| 01:48:01.45 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:48:15.02 | Unknown | So we'll take a five-minute break. |
| 01:48:25.11 | Unknown | my heart. |
| 01:48:31.00 | Unknown | He's got a tie, so he thinks he can get away with it. |
| 01:48:33.19 | Unknown | I know, put a tie on him and he's out of control. |
| 01:48:34.27 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:48:36.73 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:48:37.65 | Unknown | you I love talking to you. Okay. |
| 01:48:39.03 | Unknown | you |
| 01:48:39.20 | Unknown | laughter . I love doing that. You know it. |
| 01:48:46.52 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:48:48.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:48.23 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 01:48:49.44 | Unknown | Uh... Thank you. We are now on item five, which is a public hearing. on the proposed sanitary sewer fee. effective for the fiscal year 2014-15. Charlie Francis, our Administrative Services Director. |
| 01:49:09.34 | Charlie Francis | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. After my presentation, I'll be making a recommendation that you take the following actions tonight. First, following my presentation, that you open a public hearing and receive public comment and any protests. Then you would close the public hearing. And then there would be a council discussion after the council or while the council is discussing. protests that have been received by the city clerk will be presented to Tim Suford, who is from NBS, our protest tabulator. He will count the protests and fill out a form and give them to Debbie. At the end of your council discussion, you would call for Debbie to announce the results of the hearing, at which time she would announce the results of the hearing. There were 3,285 eligible parcels that could vote. And so based on the results of the protest, I will then say whatever the number is, and then you would then be authorized or not authorized to proceed with the ordinance, the full reading, and the rest of the steps that are up there tonight. That's okay. Well, proceed. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:50:23.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:23.87 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. As we started off in July of 2013, after you passed the budget and authorized staff to engage in a sewer rate study, we engaged in a sewer rate study because our 75-year-old system is old and it's deteriorated. And the current rates have allowed us to significantly increase our maintenance and some of the repairs, but they have not provided enough resources to continue the infrastructure investment that's required over the next five years. So we have a responsibility to keep the bay clean and it's essential that we meet these urgent sewer needs. And so we developed a rate structure which I'm going to summarize really quick. First of all, the single family rates would decrease slightly for the base charge, but we're adding a volumetric charge. We've added a new category of duplexes because of the difference between the county tax roll and the way the Marin Municipal Water District calculates. So we have a single-family attached class, a duplex class, and then any building that has more than two units would be a multifamily residential class. The rates were calculated, as I'll go through, based on cost of service service allocation and we have a volumetric charge to support those rates both on the commercial and on the residential side and these are over here on the right are the progression of the rates over the next five years. |
| 01:51:44.23 | Unknown | here. |
| 01:51:50.26 | Charlie Francis | So real summary and background. We operate a collection system. That's a protest, by the way. We do not treat the sewage. We only collect it as it comes off from the homes and the commercial establishments. We lift it up into the line that then transmits the sewage to the Sausalito Marin Sanitary Sewer District for treatment and discharge to the bay. |
| 01:51:56.99 | Unknown | Protests, by the way. |
| 01:52:20.72 | Charlie Francis | The charges are placed on the tax roll as is the SCMSD charges are placed on the tax roll. So a resident can easily see. How much is the collection system and how much is the transmission? |
| 01:52:38.72 | Unknown | Perhaps we could close that window |
| 01:52:39.60 | Charlie Francis | Bye. |
| 01:52:49.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:52:49.61 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:52:50.05 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 01:52:50.15 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:52:50.33 | Charlie Francis | Bye. |
| 01:52:50.38 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:52:50.40 | Charlie Francis | Yeah. |
| 01:52:50.52 | Unknown | I'm not going to say anything. |
| 01:52:53.08 | Charlie Francis | Good suggestion, Cousin Piper. |
| 01:52:53.44 | Unknown | Thank you. Bye. Well done. Thank you. |
| 01:52:55.36 | Unknown | . |
| 01:52:57.81 | Charlie Francis | I'm going to use that trick at home. Okay. So the RAID study has been going on since August, September, when we authorized NBS to begin the work. They prepared a study, and we went through a number of steps of meeting with the Finance Committee through November and December with staff and the consultant. And finally, on January 28th, we presented to the city council a summary of the financial requirements that are needed in order to meet our obligations over the next five years. On February 11th, we reviewed the cost of service allocation as well as the rate design. At March 4th, you passed a resolution scheduling tonight's public hearing and for these proposed rates that we're going to be considering tonight. The level of service for the past five years, we've done significant repairs, reduced spills, and we remained in compliance with our 2008 EPA order. And in the next five years, We have infrastructure projects that are needed in Nevada, Coloma, Gate 5, as well as emergency major repairs. So we start addressing over the next five years many of the 27 miles of sewer pipe that need to be replaced. So the required sewer revenues is about 30% higher than the existing revenues and they meet the operation cost, they meet our capital improvement cost, they'll maintain adequate debt service coverage and will build and maintain our reserves to meet any unforeseen exigencies. The cost of service allocation was done on an equitable basis by looking at what an equivalent dwelling unit of a resident uses in water consumption. And based on that charge, allocated it to single family attached duplexes and multifamily residential. And then ended up with 70% of the sewer charges being generated from the residential community and 30% coming from the commercial businesses and we allocated the cost between the two commercial classes that way. We vetted the cost of service allocation through our Proposition 218 attorney, Michael Colantuno, to make sure that it was fair and equitable and met all the requirements of the state law. |
| 01:55:24.55 | Unknown | Charlie, do you want us to hold our questions till the end? Okay. No, I'm asking you with preference. |
| 01:55:26.73 | Charlie Francis | Okay. No, man. I'm happy to entertain it. |
| 01:55:32.67 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Let me go back to the, if you'll entertain a question. I mean, usually you have, you want us to hold us to the end. I'd rather you hold the end. All right. Thank you. |
| 01:55:37.46 | Charlie Francis | I'd rather me hold the end. All right. Thank you. Council then considered and directed staff to, we said, do we want to continue billing on a fixed basis where the 100% of the sewer cost is a fixed charge or should we introduce a variable cost? And the council came back and said, for the fixed portion of the cost, charge a fixed rate, but for the variable portion. In other words, some costs of the collection system are variable based on the level of water that's going through the sewer. We have electricity costs to pump the sewage up into the transmission system, and there's maintenance and repair based on how much water is flowing through those pumps to transmit it there. And so after the NBS did a study of the allocation of costs, they said 88% of it is a fixed charge, and 12% is a variable charge, and you can design your rates that way. So by doing that, we were able to lower the base bill from 492 to 476, and then leaving the resident in charge of how much of the variable consumption that they would use. They can lower their sewer bill down from this average of 6494 for the variable portion just by consuming less water. And these would be the variable and fixed charges going off over the next five years. Those rates we provided for commercial rates, inter and intra equity. For example, if a storefront is using the same amount of water as a single-family residence, will get charged the same amount as a single family resident. If a large retail store is consuming two and a half single family residence equivalent amount of water, then that's the amount that their sewer bill will be. And it eliminated some of the |
| 01:56:29.37 | Unknown | I'm doing it. were able |
| 01:57:25.11 | Charlie Francis | current cost of service allocation that was having where a small restaurant would be paying a lot less than a single family, the equivalent single family residence. So we corrected that inequity there. The Prop 218 process led us through our March 4th that you adopted the resolution scheduling tonight. We sent out a 45-day notice. We mailed the 45-day notice. We tracked the written and verbal protests. We published a 10-day notice leading up to today's meeting, and today's meeting is the public hearing and the tally of the protests and the introduction and first reading of the ordinance. At your next regular business meeting, you would have the second reading of the ordinance, and then on July 1st, you would pass a resolution in authorizing me to send the charges to the county to be placed on the tax roll. So in summary, with the current funding, the city's done everything he can to reduce sewage spills. We need additional funds to upgrade our 75-year-old deteriorated sewer pipes. That will protect our water bays. It will properly transport sewage, and it complies with the EPA order. It's the right thing to do, and it's fiscally responsible. So in summary, the recommended actions for you tonight are listed here, and I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have now. |
| 01:58:43.24 | Unknown | Thank you, Charlie. Before we formally open the public hearing, I'd like to give the opportunity for Council to ask any specific technical questions of Charlie. |
| 01:59:02.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:59:02.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:59:02.75 | Unknown | Please. |
| 01:59:03.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:59:03.29 | Unknown | Charlie, just because we have a late mail item, and I just can't remember the answer off the top of my head, with the creation of the duplex category, can we flip back to the overall charge? |
| 01:59:23.57 | Unknown | So folks wanted to know kind of how we came up where – why we're coming up with why the city adopts – is considering this new category, which doesn't exist on the tax rolls now, and how the charge was developed for that. |
| 01:59:40.41 | Charlie Francis | before before we were considered the volumetric charge and historically the city has always relied on the county tax roll designation of the house in order to say what class it fits in and the county will designate something as a code 11 which is a single-family resident or a code 14 which is a single-family attached or a code 21 which is a multi-family so we designed our rates to match that Record. which the county determines and we don't have a lot of control over. When we were considering volumetric charges, of course we got the volume charges from the Marin Municipal Water District, and they have classes for single family, duplexes, and multifamily. And so when we started looking at the two, we found that there were some duplexes that were coded as multifamily residents, as this one was. This one was a duplex coded as a multifamily and so had a smaller fixed charge. of. Thank you. we found some single family attached that were really duplexes so we went in and go how are we going to define this to reconcile these two records that aren't fitting together. And we came up with the definitions of single family house has a meter. A single family attached will have one meter but be designated as two, has a separate living unit that's used for, you know, separate residence. A duplex would have two meters. And anything more than two would fit into the multifamily category. And so that's how we allocated the cost. Now the cost remain equitable because of this chart here. and I know it's a difficult chart and might have to have our rate consultant explain it. But we took the amount of water that's consumed citywide and divided it by the number of units that are in each one of these classes. and said by that water consumption, then here's the equivalent amount of water that that house uses as compared to a single family resident. So a... Duplex, which has two units, consumes less than a full single family residence per unit, but combined it's a little bit more than a single family residence. Uh, So there's two things that happened with the late email that you received. One was that they were coded incorrectly by the county to begin with. which then we were charging the wrong charge. But the next thing is we're correcting the equity by only charging this resident for the amount of what an equivalent dwelling unit would be consuming for each half of that duplex. Did that make sense? Thank you. |
| 02:02:41.95 | Unknown | It does for me because I went through this when we went through the rate study, but I know it's somewhat confusing the first time you hear it. |
| 02:02:49.70 | Unknown | Charlie, Mr. Mayor, I have a question. |
| 02:02:50.91 | Unknown | I have a question. Thank you. Ooh, yeah. |
| 02:02:53.04 | Unknown | Is there a reason why we're hearing about this duplex thing for the first time, at least as a whole council? |
| 02:02:59.52 | Charlie Francis | Oh, no, it was in the previous report. It wasn't in your report. |
| 02:03:01.58 | Unknown | It wasn't in your prior presentations. |
| 02:03:04.23 | Charlie Francis | Yes, it was. |
| 02:03:05.36 | Unknown | I did not hear, not in this detail. And you mentioned, I saw the chart, but you didn't mention creating a separate category for duplexes. |
| 02:03:07.72 | Charlie Francis | in the church. Thank you. |
| 02:03:15.47 | Unknown | And my question is, you've mentioned before that the average resident |
| 02:03:15.60 | Shelby | Thank you. |
| 02:03:22.11 | Unknown | would be paying $55 a year with a sewer fee increase, what would the average duplex owner be paying? |
| 02:03:32.46 | Charlie Francis | Whoops. |
| 02:03:36.22 | Charlie Francis | I don't know the answer to that on top of my head. would depend on what their coding was. Because if they were coded as a single family attached, they would be paying... |
| 02:03:42.26 | Unknown | there were |
| 02:03:52.05 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. I don't know. |
| 02:03:58.36 | Unknown | And my next. |
| 02:03:58.40 | Charlie Francis | And my next |
| 02:03:59.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:03:59.31 | Charlie Francis | Yeah. |
| 02:04:00.98 | Unknown | My next question is, when will the residents, when will residents, if we go forward with this, when will residents first see the impact of this, of this |
| 02:04:08.94 | Charlie Francis | on their tax bill in November. |
| 02:04:10.39 | Unknown | In November... |
| 02:04:10.41 | Charlie Francis | In the next video, we will be able to get a Thank you. |
| 02:04:15.00 | Unknown | Are there any more questions from Council at this point before I open the public hearing? Okay, thank you Charlie. So with that, we will formally open the public hearing. Anybody who would like to Say anything about this. You have three minutes. You can please come up to the podium. Sir. |
| 02:04:49.86 | Vince Majora | Vince Majora I was taking my anger out at Adam Pulitzer, but now I think it's the wrong person, after listening to Charlie. I'm a little confused again about Sauceto and among many Sauceto residents when it came to the city housing element and now the proposed sewer increase. According to Adam, the city has been working with an independent sewer expert and are fining $5 million capital improvements. We heard from the experts at the end group of the housing element last council meeting and it was embarrassing. Also, Adam, according to Adam, proposed rate structure was developed to ensure cost Cost of service and fair equability for all customers. the average rate increase would be about $50. As of now, my rate is $486. In 2018, it'll be $841.99. It's a $355 increase. It's 73%. plus adding the volumetric rate would make it 95% increase. A single family will be 11%, multifamily will be 27%. |
| 02:06:11.54 | Vince Majora | need to go back and make this fair. and explain how you came up with these numbers. I grew up in a construction family specialized in underground pipelines and sewer treatment plants. During summer breaks, I ran many sewer line pipelines. I understand what goes on with sewer lines. I realize we need the new sewer lines, but I'm protesting the proposed increase. And I'm asking the city council to hold off on their vote until the city can get it right. Thank you. |
| 02:06:47.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:06:56.60 | Eric Yonker | Good evening. My name is Eric Yonker. I'm the owner of 205 4th Street, and I'm here to oppose the proposed increase in the sewer rates, specifically the impact they will have on owners of duplexes or two units. The city council needs to correct the inherent inequity in the proposed rate structure. I received a letter in early April from the city manager explaining the need for the proposed increase to sewer rates. The letter also stated that this would be done in a fair and equitable manner. I do understand and support the need to increase sewer rates for necessary repairs and improvements to infrastructure to prevent spills. and to protect water quality. Unfortunately, the proposed rate increases are neither fair or equitable. Currently two unit dwellings are charged fixed rates under the multi-family rate and Charlie went over some of this. But in the letter we received, none of this was explained to us. And the other problem with the notice, it didn't provide bottom line or percent increases for each of the dwelling unit owners, which I went ahead and calculated myself and provided to you in a written letter. Um... As a result, the new rate increases are unfair and not equitable. They range from an 11% increase for single-family Now this would be over the five year period by 2018 It's an 11% increase for the fixed rate portion, which was went over being 88% of our bill. For multi-family, it's a 27% increase and for the fixed rate portion an astonishing 73% increase. Um, I don't believe there's a justification adequately provided for singling out duplexes. I realize you went over in the presentation that there's certain codes that have to be followed and it kind of went over my head in the sense that when you do have a duplex, you have separate in terms of, you're kind of back calculating an amount, we're being charged some volumetric on the back end but on the front end you're taking some Number... citywide that you're increasing our rates, I think, unfairly on duplexes. Uh, I'll be running out of time. When you factor in the volumetric rate increase, and I used an average usage rate for the two units in my dwelling, the actual increase for my duplex will be 96%. In real terms, I currently pay $486, and that will go up for both parts up to $952. Thank you. |
| 02:10:09.32 | Unknown | Thank you. Is there any other member of the public who would like to comment? |
| 02:10:20.90 | Unknown | Okay, seeing none, then I'm going to close, whoops, let's turn my microphone off, sorry. I'm going to formally close this public hearing. |
| 02:10:35.30 | Unknown | That's true. Thank you. |
| 02:10:36.85 | Unknown | THE CITY IS A |
| 02:10:37.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:10:37.24 | Unknown | I'm not going to be a good one. |
| 02:10:37.56 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:10:37.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:10:37.61 | Unknown | Thank you. Charlie or whoever, one of the assaults for MPS, this is confusing. It's confusing to everybody no matter how long you've stared at it. But maybe you could go back and just refresh or explain in simplest terms possible kind of how these numbers were arrived at in terms of fixed costs, variable costs, and then maybe get one more crack at the duplex question. Thank you. |
| 02:11:05.55 | Charlie Francis | You know, I'll jump to the end and then work backwards. It was interesting that your calculation came to $952. That's pretty much what two single-family residences would consume. Thank you. Actually, it's a little less. And that just shows how the equity is going on, is that a single family resident charge of $430,000 $76 plus volume. A duplex, typically a family that lives in half of a duplex would consume a little bit less than the amount of people in a full single family residence. So a duplex is almost, but not quite, too expensive. Single-family residences. And on an equivalent basis, the cost of $492 is almost double but not quite because it's a little bit less. of two single family residences. So I think what we did with this rate study is we said how much water does the, and we did that here, How much water is is being consumed during the winter and going down the sewer on the residential side and how much water is being consumed by the commercial and going down the sewer by the commercial side. In the previous study, this allocation was 80-20. Our residents were paying more Um... the commercial side and we're actually using less water. So first of all, we corrected the equity. We said since they're only using 70% of the water that's going in the sewer, we're only going to allocate the cost based on that 70%. |
| 02:12:47.24 | Unknown | Really good. |
| 02:12:51.06 | Charlie Francis | And then we said, If the typical single family residence uses this amount of water, that's how we're going to base all the other calculations. So a duplex uses a little bit less than a single family resident. A single family attached, the attached portion uses a little bit less, but you still have the single family resident portion using that part. And then finally the multifamily, smaller units, less water going down the sewer, and so they have a smaller allocation of a single family resident. And then on that basis, we allocated to the commercial side what is the commercial consuming as opposed to a single family resident. And if they're consuming as much water and putting it down the sewer as a single family resident, they were allocated one EDU. COVID-19. if they were consuming 20 houses worth of water, then they were allocated 20 houses worth of water as charges. So that's how we achieved the horizontal and the vertical equity amongst the different classes. |
| 02:13:56.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:13:56.55 | Charlie Francis | Yeah. |
| 02:13:56.68 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 02:13:56.77 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:13:56.95 | Charlie Francis | Very good. Oh, the fixed variables portion, yeah. So the fixed variable was, of course, there's the water charge, but how much water going down a collection system really changes the cost of the operation. So we looked at, well, the pipe's in the ground. It has to be in the ground. And whether you put one drop in it or 30 gallons in it, it has a certain cost. But when it hits the pumps, the lift stations do get into the transmission system, then you have electricity costs and you have repair costs and maintenance costs to keep those pumps going. And so the consultants then said 88% of the costs are fixed because there's nothing moving. And 12% are variable because they move. you lose less, you'll incur less costs. And so that's more equitable than just charging. You know, one family might put thousands of gallons down into the sewer, and another family might put a couple cupfuls down in the sewer and be gone through the year. So we wanted to make sure that families are only charged for that variable portion of the cost of the water that they're putting into the sewer system. And then we're also encouraging conservation of water too. |
| 02:13:59.35 | Unknown | Oh, yeah. |
| 02:13:59.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:14.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:14.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:14.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:18.31 | Unknown | Okay, thank you, Charlie. Now, we need to ask for a formal count of the protests. |
| 02:15:25.66 | Charlie Francis | Yes, so while the council is discussing, Tim can come up here and count the protests that Debbie has received through this point of the protest. |
| 02:15:34.74 | Unknown | Okay, we can either take a pause or we can begin our discussion period while these protests are being tabulated. |
| 02:15:50.50 | Unknown | So, who wants to go first? |
| 02:15:53.78 | Unknown | I would be happy to make a statement, Mr. Mayor. This was not transparent to the residents of Sausalito. They did not know the impact of the sewer fee structure, certainly not to duplexes. It was anything but transparent in the presentations made and in the letter that was sent by the city manager. I mean, I was receiving calls and emails from residents asking me questions like, has the 45-day period started yet? People just didn't know. And when they find out how inequitable this structure is, this structure truly is, it is going to be a very... It's going to be extremely controversial and very loud, in my opinion. not only because of the inequitable structure of the fees, but I mean, to assume that two duplexes are automatically the equivalent of two single family homes. Many duplexes in town are a studio and a second unit. So, you know, there were assumptions made in this structure that I don't think were thought through. And I think that when residents find out about this, I think there's going to be a lot of an outcry. So I would encourage this council to step back and send this back to revisit and to look at a more equitable structure. |
| 02:17:34.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:17:42.59 | Unknown | Well, we've had the, this is the third hearing on this, correct? the presentation and they've been uh, over the last how many weeks? Six weeks. and we've had a chance for the public Councilman Pfeiffer, you've had it in your newsletter, and it's been broadcast widely. I mean, it's been out there for weeks. We've had the various public notices on this. You know, there are – and certainly, there's not much – I can't imagine that if we go another – two or three more sessions where we can get anything more because we've had the precise presentation made. Again, this is the third time. And, um, And we've had opportunities for questions. We've had opportunities. It's been in the currents. It's been sent out. It's been in your newsletter. certainly and there have been plenty of opportunities to for questions. Certainly on this duplex issue, we've gone through that analysis. We did not have the two specific examples that we have here tonight, but we certainly went through the analysis that they were going to be somewhat less than single family because that's because there might be fewer people, but certainly they are close to single family. So we've gone through that all before. So I can't imagine that we're going to have anything more than that. And certainly I'd like to see what we get in the way of protests. |
| 02:19:11.55 | Unknown | Yeah, I'll just say this is what you would call an unfortunate reality, is that we have to pay for capital improvements that were postponed in decades past. And we're operating under an order from the Environmental Protection Agency to do this. five years ago to try as part of that process, like all the – most of the jurisdictions around the Bay. And because of the state budget issues in past years, we haven't been able to access capital to do some of these capital improvement projects. But we have to. And it's the right thing to do. It's unfortunate we have to pay for this, but sometimes you have to pay to do the right thing. And it's unfortunate that it wasn't done in decades past and there wasn't an active capital improvement plan for the sewer system to replace pipes as they aged, rather than wait until they broke. So – but there wasn't in decades past. So here we are at the end of the useful life of the sewer system, so we're having to play catch up. And it's expensive, and we have to increase the rates in order to fund that. |
| 02:20:01.15 | Unknown | PASS. |
| 02:20:29.85 | Unknown | In my understanding of the rate study, a lot of attempts were made by our outside consultants to take out some inequities that were in the system before in terms of commercial versus residential and I use the idea of water consumption as a proxy, which is very common now in most communities in California to use water consumption to gauge use in terms of variable costs, but also there's just the cost of maintaining a pipe that goes to each dwelling unit. And that's the fixed cost of the whole system. Is this the perfect rate structure? I don't know. Probably not. I'm sure it could be studied infinitum. Is it the rate structure forever? No. We could always revisit this rate structure if we so choose and reduce it. I don't think we have to go to a protest hearing about reducing sewer rates. So we can always revisit that process. Do we need to get going with these repairs? Yes, because we're – as a community, we have put ourselves in a position over decades that we're polluting the bay. And the standards for pollution in the bay at the same time have risen dramatically over those decades. And they're going to continue to go up in terms of the water quality standards. So we have to act, and the unfortunate reality is we have to pay for it. Some things we have to pay for. And my concern more, and I believe we put this in the system, is for folks who can't afford to pay these rate increases versus would rather not. And I think we put in some language that, similar to the last sewer increase where people can apply for relief or I forget what we called it. Lifeline assistance. |
| 02:21:21.34 | Unknown | No. |
| 02:21:43.46 | Unknown | We're... |
| 02:22:26.38 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor. after you speak it I just wanted you to know I'd like to respond. |
| 02:22:32.05 | Unknown | Yeah. The way I'm going to do this is to, before I actually speak, I'm going to ask if the protest votes have been tabulated. And if so, could we have a readout, please? |
| 02:22:45.86 | Charlie Francis | City Clerk, could you give us a readout of the tabulation of the protest? |
| 02:22:50.81 | Debbie | The total number of affected properties was 3,285. Total written protests received was 12. Written protest percentage is.004%. |
| 02:23:06.91 | Charlie Francis | So with that result, Mr. Mayor, the City Council is now authorized to consider the reading of the ordinance and passing of the ordinance. |
| 02:23:17.15 | Unknown | Thank you, Charlie. I'm not going to use my three minutes. I really don't have much to add. I think Council Member Leon and I have worked on the Finance Committee looking at this on numerous occasions. There have been multiple presentations in front of this, at this body. And I think the reasons for this are The urgent reasons for this to get this work started were put very well. So that's really all I have to say. I think I know some council members want to have their one minute. And... Happy to do that, obviously. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We'll call for the motions. |
| 02:24:15.39 | Unknown | Thank you, Mr. Muir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, Council Member, Vice Mayor Tom Theodoros mentioned that this was in my newsletter to residents. I would add that my newsletter had what we received here in Council, the link to city documents, which in my opinion were verbose and not transparent at all. The fact that we are increasing duplex sewer fees by up to 95 percent and have a.004 percent protest record here, I think speaks volumes as to the lack of transparency. No one is suggesting Zero sewer fee increase. The problem is that people are expecting an equitable solution, and this is not that. And that is the issue. and when people find out about this they're not going to be happy And I think we need to look at this with fresh eyes and ask ourselves, is this fair? |
| 02:25:24.19 | Unknown | Do you have a suggestion as to what an active increase would be? |
| 02:25:27.11 | Unknown | I, in response to Council Member Leon's request that I have a solution for what an equitable solution would be, I think a first step is not going forward on something that is inequitable. The first step is we stop and we go back and we look at what would be an equitable solution. Hitting one segment with a 95. But you don't have a suggestion. I do. That's a suggestion. Hitting one segment. |
| 02:25:49.67 | Unknown | With a 9-5. |
| 02:25:50.97 | Unknown | you |
| 02:25:55.25 | Unknown | with a 95% increase is not fair. It's not fair. |
| 02:26:02.83 | Unknown | Okay, anybody else want to add anything? So this is a complicated set of motions, I think, isn't it? How many motions do we need here? One, two, three... |
| 02:26:19.23 | Charlie Francis | The first motion would be to waive the full reading of the ordinance and read by title. The second motion would, and you can put these together, I would suspect, that you just find that the adoption of the ordinance is statutorily exempt, and then you'd go into the first reading. |
| 02:26:37.85 | Charlie Francis | in case the way. Looks like Mary's checking something really quick. |
| 02:26:46.18 | Herb Weiner | So you want to take them one at a time? |
| 02:26:48.53 | Unknown | whatever is needed |
| 02:26:51.75 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 02:26:52.04 | Charlie Francis | Why don't we do one at a time? Wave to the board, read it. |
| 02:26:54.05 | Unknown | Mary, do you want us to pause for a second here? |
| 02:26:54.96 | Charlie Francis | I'm going to go ahead and get the |
| 02:27:05.66 | Mary Wagner | MS. No, you don't need to pause. Why don't you go ahead and if you just indicate that by the adoption of the ordinance you're making the finding that it's statutorily exempt, that's adequate. So if you just include that in your motion. |
| 02:27:19.48 | Unknown | And by definition, we're waving, we're reading by title only. |
| 02:27:24.32 | Mary Wagner | Correct, you just have to read the whole title. Yeah. |
| 02:27:27.59 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 02:27:27.85 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:27:28.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:28.08 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:27:28.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:28.54 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:27:28.56 | Unknown | I move that we waive full reading of ordinance and read by title only. |
| 02:27:28.57 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:27:35.12 | Unknown | I mean, that's a very good question. |
| 02:27:35.76 | Unknown | You can keep going. Okay. You can keep going. |
| 02:27:38.04 | Unknown | that we find that the adoption of the ordinance is statutorily exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act, and give first reading to an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito Modifying Chapter 18.12. of the Sausalito Municipal Code, establishing sewer charges for any lawful purpose of the sewer utility. and continue item to regular meeting of May 20, 2014 for second reading and adoption. |
| 02:28:11.64 | Unknown | Okay, we have a motion. Do I have a second? Second. Okay, Debbie, will you take the roll, please? |
| 02:28:22.96 | Debbie | Council Member Fiverr. |
| 02:28:24.33 | Unknown | know. |
| 02:28:25.64 | Debbie | Councilmember Weiner? Yes. |
| 02:28:26.69 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:28:27.03 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 02:28:27.09 | Unknown | you |
| 02:28:27.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:28.36 | Debbie | Council member Leung? |
| 02:28:29.66 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:28:31.55 | Debbie | Vice Mayor Theodorus. |
| 02:28:32.90 | Unknown | So, you |
| 02:28:33.14 | Debbie | Thank you. |
| 02:28:33.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:34.40 | Debbie | Mayor Withy. |
| 02:28:35.21 | Unknown | Yes, and I'd like to thank our consultants who have sat through a long evening, so thank you for coming this evening. Okay. Our next... Item. is item 6B, which is the priority calendar step one, which was continued from our April 22nd meeting. and |
| 02:29:09.40 | Unknown | Are we handing over to our city manager for this? |
| 02:30:03.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:09.98 | Adam Politzer | Okay, City Council members, Mr. Mayor, public, we have a few fans in the audience, so thank you for coming. And you have a pretty complete packet of information. INCLUDING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND VARIOUS committees. So let's kind of start. I want to first give some credit here to our Administrative Services Director, Charlie Francis, that helped me with building this and also help from Debbie on a few items that will come a little bit later. but This is an evolution. Um, of change in the priority calendar process. And for me personally, it was a difficult change because when we introduced the priority calendar, back in 2008. It really was just to get the the city COUNCIL, THE CITY STAFF, AND THE COMMUNITY FOCUSED on so many different loose ends that were out there that we were kind of running around with our heads chopped off and not necessarily making a whole lot of progress on any one thing. And so when you look at the 2008 priority calendar all the way through last year, there are items on there that really could be considered basic services, things that we should be doing. And then there were things that were from the community that didn't actually fit into the department's regular work plan. And so over time, the list kind of got a little fuzzy. what is it that we're supposed to be doing on a day-to-day basis, and what is that we'd like to do if we had the resources and the time, and how would we prioritize So, What you find in the packet, and we'll go through here in a little bit, is really kind of defining what should be on this list as we go forward into the future. And it's going to be a transition between this year and next because We've just started the strategic plan process we're identifying goals and objectives which would also include priority calendar items. But we haven't yet made it all the way through that process. So when we go through the strategic plan, process. at the end of this year, beginning of next. We'll be able to see how this comes together a little bit more cleanly. So with that, With that said, in my perspective for the councils. PATIENCE TONIGHT. is understand that we're still going through a transition. This is really a cleanup. of the process. The set the groundwork. for next year in terms of of making sure that we connect the priority calendar Um, with the strategic plan and the budget as we go forward. |
| 02:33:00.62 | Unknown | And |
| 02:33:03.66 | Adam Politzer | So as you look at this graphic that's on the screen here and that was also in the packet, developing the priority calendar list and it's really asking some questions as it goes forward. um, You know, tonight you have a list of roughly 24, I believe you have 24 items that I've put before you for your consideration. So your first question is, you know, where – Where do these fall? Are they community projects? Are they staff projects? they update and establish policies and ordinances. which one of these categories. And in the staff report, you'll see where the 24 items fall. Um, the first time. So really the question that you have to ask tonight is does it fit with the strategic plan? Is it a strategic plan goal? And if the answer is yes, And the goals are very broad right now. So for the most cases, they're going to fall into a category. It's yes. and assign a goal. And we're not asking you actually to do that tonight, but that's, you know, as we go into the future, That's going to go forward. But you want to ask yourself that question. How does this relate TO THE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED by the City Council. If the answer is yes, then you're going to go forward. And is this a routine city service? And if the answer is no, then it stays on the list and it continues up the ladder here. If the answer is yes, it's really a routine city service. then it doesn't belong on the priority calendar list. And you'll see if you've already looked ahead, at the list of items that have moved on to the department list, there are 19 items, I believe. that we've taken off of the priority calendar and have moved purely onto the department's list as workload items. And in most cases, there are boards and commissions assigned to it, with Council Liaison. There's money that had been assigned to helping with consultant or a significant amount of staff time working on the item. The housing elements is a good example of that, where we have consultant dollars, city staff, task force, subcommittees, and routine council updates on the progress of the housing element, both the current cycle and the next cycle that that were working in tandem. So that's an item that is moved off the priority calendar list and moved on to the staff workload. Disaster preparedness is another one. We really weren't doing a whole lot. as a city to address the disaster preparedness and readiness in the community. And I know that Shelby's here. and Herb Weiner. They got together back probably in 2009. It probably is that far back now and said, what are we actually doing? Um, and we organize neighborhood tours, at the various parks. We brought the communities, the neighbors together. talked about what the city was starting to do and then actually encouraged the community duplicate the model that CloudView neighborhood had already established. But that has now moved on. We have a sergeant that's in charge of it. He's working on training. He's very invested. We have disaster preparedness committee. that keeps us apprised. There's trainings that the council, the staff, and the community are involved in. It's not something that if we ranked it low, we were going to stop doing, so it moved on to this is just part of the work plan of the city. So as this goes up the scale here, you want to ask the question, should this be a routine city service, and if the answer is yes, And it falls onto their work plan, and it really just becomes now a budget item. Can we afford to continue – how many parks do we want to pave? Or how many parks do we want to pave? How many parks do we want to re-landscape and put play equipment in or other – |
| 02:37:00.31 | Unknown | betrayed your former profession. Thank you. |
| 02:37:04.70 | Adam Politzer | You know, I... |
| 02:37:05.19 | Unknown | We've seen all the parks in Sausalito. |
| 02:37:06.58 | Adam Politzer | There's no secret my number one priority is the paved roads, and that's been from the day I walked in the door, so I'm sorry if I have pavement on the mine. But that is a question that we'll ask you to ask as you hear from the community tonight or at future steps in the priority count. calendar process or items that you as council members have heard from the community. or looked on the list from these boards and commissions, There's obviously more on their list than that can be placed on our calendar. but you want to ask that question before you place the item on the list. And the next question is, is significant staff time? how much time is going to be dedicated to this effort? We put on the staff report that if it's 40 hours or more, that's significant. That's pretty – that's more than just coming in and meeting with staff for a couple hours or going out to a park and talking about an activity or an event. or need that really is something that we should be doing as routine service. But after you get to that 40-hour limit, you're now really taking away from staff doing their regular job And for the most part, most of these projects have been way over 40 hours worth of time. The housing element originally had dedicated that 10 percent of an associate planner's time, which is 10 hours a week of a 40-hour a week position. So that's pretty significant when you look at it under that lens. As it goes forward, then the other question you're asking is, should it continue on the list? Is it a good resource of staff time? If the answer is yes, then continue on the list. If the answer is no, it's not an automatic disqualification, But how can it continue on the list? What are the other efforts? like the Sustainability Commission, Age Friendly Commission, Parks and Rec, Almost all of them, HLB, they've all taken things where they've rolled up their own sleeves, worked on it, our community, working as volunteers, wore up their own sleeves and have worked With staff. to move these priorities forward. So that's why there's a but it continues. If it uses significant staff time, or significant dollars It's not necessarily it gets removed, but we need to understand what is the impact on staff time and how much will it cost if we keep this item on the list. You know, so if it is – if it doesn't cost significant staff dollars or doesn't take significant staff time. Um, then it shouldn't be a priority calendar item. It should again fall into routine service. Someone comes in and says, I need to understand why you know, why we can't do something. Or how can we do something? And staff should be able to direct them. And then it works through committee, commission, or board or comes to the council as a request from the public, the council can take up that issue at that moment if it doesn't take significant dollars or doesn't take significant staff time. Aid friendly is a good example community coming forward saying, we'll do all the work. We just want to be blessed by the council, and we said yes. So that didn't cost us much money. Almost none. Thank you. and it didn't take much staff time, and so we were able to significantly move their agenda forward by placing it on the priority calendar and moving that agenda forward. That's one of many, many examples that we have that fall into that category. Um, And then as you continue up to the top of this list, is it one time in nature? We're trying to keep things that are not just ongoing, evolving. ITEMS FROM APPEARING YEAR AFTER YEAR. when you look at the list of items that went on to the department, like the EPA order, for example, That's a multi-year project. but because of the significance of it when it hit the city, we didn't have the resources, we didn't have the expertise, We knew it was going to be significant dollars. We know we needed to cooperate. with the Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District. and our friends over at TCD Tamalpais Community Service District. We knew that we had to work in a multi-agency, to get it started, we needed it on the priority calendar. But now that that's well established, We're in compliance. We're working together with our partners. then this is why it moves on to a routine service. Let's click to the next slide here. |
| 02:41:42.99 | Adam Politzer | Sorry, there the R is supposed to be connected to the calendar. but that's probably there's some subliminal message there that Charlie didn't advise me of. Um, But the priority calendar process, just so folks understand what happened. So obviously this was supposed to take place at the last meeting, We had an item on there that ended up needing the council's attention, the public had a lot to say and discuss, and so we took the time to hear that, and we move this item now forward. So tonight... The council is going to review the projects. They're going to review the projects that I submitted in the packet, the 24 projects, make sure that they fit into that criteria that I just walked through. uh, review the proposed projects and then add new projects based on what you hear from the public or from council members that would like to have some consideration of new projects. They'd also Want to make sure that you look at the items that were on the Boards and Commissions list and or items that I took off the priority calendar and moved on to the work plan. And if you have questions, of any of those actions, this is a good time to ask for clarification. Bye. The next step is once you get to the end of tonight's meeting, you've taken public comment, you've considered all the items, you've said these are the two 25 items. That's what I'm recommending, no more than 25 items, because We're moving. 19 of them over onto the work plan, so they're not disappearing. The work still has to be done. It's just not showing up on this list of duties for to staff and the council to work on. It's now moving on to their regular day-to-day work plan. so the work isn't going away. So I'm asking you to tonight consider what items are going to make the list of 25. I've proposed 24, and I've given you a little wiggle room with one blank spot so that you can fight over that spot. Or if you want to change it, then take something off to add something on. Um, But at the end of tonight, That's what you're sending back to staff. here are the 25 items that we want you to now work on and come back and tell us can you fit it into your current workload if we ask you to take this on in addition to what's on your workload? How much will it cost and how much time will it take staff to be engaged in this? And in some cases, we kind of know there's a board and commission and they're going to need to have a subcommittee and staff is going to need to be assigned to that subcommittee and work will flow out of that effort. And in some cases we know that the expertise isn't in the room. So we'll need to bring in a consultant to help us. So staff will review the list of 25, they'll come back, with costs. Workload. And timeline, can we get this done? in a timely effort, can we make significant progress in one year. And in some cases we can, and in some cases we get down the year. And something else comes up, and a good example of that is the tour buses. We took the police department and we said, this is an issue. and in November. after the tourist season had ended, when this had materialized. THE CAPTAIN, the public works director, the city attorney spent time and now here we are. do you want to make this a priority calendar item? pretty much loud and clear, both from the council and from the community that we needed to stop what we were doing and take it on. But when that happens, some of the items that staff is working on we'll slide down until we do our best to make sure that the council is updated on what we're working on and the progress that we're making. um, At the council meeting before, we did give you an update under consent on the priority calendar progress, so you had that information. at a previous council meeting. But, again, the rules have changed, and so a lot of those items have now been moved around and or are on target to be complete. So at the end of staff's review, which will happen between now and the next council meeting, which will be on May 27th, Um, the. The council will then review what the staff comes back and says we can do. and how much it will cost and what experts we might need to help us move this project forward. And the council will then hear public comment. because there will be folks that their minds are getting this information and the new process as we speak now. And they may say, you know what, I've changed my mind. The items that we put forward, we'd like to share new information or different information. or not change anything at all. But the public will again have an opportunity to give feedback, because now they'll know what it costs, or how much time. And they may recommend a different way of doing it based on what staff put forward. You'll hear that public comment. You'll again look at the 25 items combined with the recommendations of the staff. And then you'll agree to either move items off ADDITIONAL ITEMS BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THE from the staff, they say, well, maybe items that were on another list like HLB, or the trees and views committee should be considered If we take this item off, maybe one of those items can move up. So that will be an opportunity based on what you hear, on cost and time, to look. back and maybe pull items forward, and take items off based on the feedback that you hear from staff. At the conclusion of the second meeting is where it gets a little tricky. And it always gets difficult for the council. The first part, not so tricky, because we asked you to individually rank them. So you're going to go back and take the list of 25 Rank them 1 through 25. What's your highest priority? And number 25 is your highest priority. It's got the most weight to it. Number one is your lowest priority. and you're going to go through them, and none of them will be easy. They all are high priorities, otherwise they wouldn't be on the list. If the city didn't want to work on these or the community wasn't interested, then they wouldn't be on the list. But we can't do them all and we don't have the money to do them all. Um, But over the past six years, we've actually made a lot of significant uh, progress on getting the priorities addressed, dealt with, and moved forward and in most parts have done – have finished a lot of them as we move this agenda forward. But we still have a lot of work to do. We hear it from the council on pretty much every council meeting. This is what we have in terms of SAF and dollars. We can't do it all. but this is a good start. The previous administrations from decades ago, had different priorities and they spent the city money. on probably very worthwhile projects Um, but not all of them included infrastructure. And that's why in this particular case, we have a lot of infrastructure that needs to be changed. The other areas that we went, probably a good 30, 40 years, with some ordinances that worked well then, and we just didn't update them or tweak them. or adjusted them or looked at how they affect today's quality of life in our community or what we want to continue to protect that may not have been addressed the first time. And so that's why a lot of ordinance reviews seem to crop up on the priority calendar, and staff would continue to recommend that those be items for your consideration. But And then those will be submitted ahead of time to the city clerk. and the city clerk will then tabulate that and the public will see. what your individual ranking is and then actually see what the collective ranking is and how those average out across the board. You'll come back at the third meeting, which will be on June 10th. the council We'll now look at how this falls out. how the 25 items are ranked based on the collective voice of the council, not the individual voice of the council, So take public comment. Uh, and then you'll decide where you're going to draw the line. I'm asking you to draw the line at around seven. In the past, we've had 50 items on the priority calendar items, and the line has moved. from my recommendation of 20. down to 32 in some cases in some years. So we, again, have to keep in mind that because we've taken 19 items off, And we've said, Staff, you will continue to work on these items. And then another lists of items that are either complete or should be complete by the end of this calendar year, which I believe is nine items. There are still a significant amount of projects that will continue to be Um, worked on regardless if they're on the priority calendar or not. So I'm asking you to draw that line a lot closer to the top versus the middle or the bottom. And that's where I'm sure, again, you'll have difficulty. And there may even be some difficult discussions between the council and the city manager when we try to get to that, what can we support. But again, the nice thing about the priority calendar are items because there have always been items, and the smoking ordinance was one of those, where a commission, it fell below the line. The commission worked with the county And the county did most of the work. And they brought back a smoking ordinance that we spent less than 40 hours of staff time, and the council was able to adopt a pretty strict smoking ordinance without a lot of staff effort. because it was on the priority calendar. The commission knew that they needed to roll up their sleeves and do more work. And then in other situations, Is that my cue to stop talking? . In other situations, we found money. We found grants or money has been donated, and so we've been able to move priority calendars up because money was made available or the community came forward and helped us fund projects as we move forward and identify them. So that's the process there. So we'll go to the next slide. And this again – and I'm can't operate both things here. I HAVE AN OVERLAY HERE THAT SAYS CITY OF SAUSALIDO. and anyone viewing from home has that across their screen. This is to show the transition from the old, which is on the left, the existing priority calendar basically had all the items combined together half of them on the top where the line was drawn saying that we were going to do this of priority items. and the others on the bottom which were identified but were not prioritized to be either funded or staffed. And that was the old process. It then transitioned into taking a portion of that and just placing it onto the department work plans. So that, He's represented there in the middle top of the screen. And then another portion of those that are proposed projects to remove, either They've been completed or are scheduled to be done this this calendar year or significantly done this calendar year so that they still remain as department work plans, but they're not priority calendar items moving forward. And then there's a few items there that just didn't ever have any community support. They were raised at a public meeting. Thank you. And it sounded like a good idea at the time. The council said it sounds like a good idea. Let's go ahead and put it on the list. It ended up below the line. folks that were motivated either moved out of town or became frustrated with the bureaucracy of the city. including the City Manager's Office, Uh. and lost interest, and so we've now removed those items. As we've done in the past, each year we look to remove items, and items that don't have community support or continued support behind them. We make recommendations to move those. That is on your attachment. You can see the items that are proposed to be removed. And then it shrinks down the list of items to proposed projects to rank. And those are then divided into the three categories. stories, community projects, staff projects. This is all screwed up, isn't it? And then ordinances and other things. Uh, city policies into those three different categories, and then that then is divided by where you draw the line. Charlie put it in the middle. I'm telling you that it should be on the top third. Um, And – but that will be a discussion that you don't need to worry about tonight because that's not where you are. That will be when you get to the final view of what you individually ranked and what you collectively ranked, and then move that I wanted to share with you, if I can read it. |
| 02:55:05.19 | Herb Weiner | I can't. Can I borrow your glasses? |
| 02:55:10.02 | Adam Politzer | I too am in denial that I need glasses, and I carry them in my briefcase here. |
| 02:55:15.15 | Herb Weiner | you Thanks to your taster. |
| 02:55:20.02 | Adam Politzer | But we have four goals, and I want to remind the council and the public that our four strategic plan goals We're were this achieve and maintain fiscal sustainability and resiliency improve and continue to maintain Improve and continue to maintain the infrastructure is goal number two. And this isn't in any priority order just listed Number three, goal three is utilize long range comprehensive planning. And goal four was continually assess and deliver effective, municipal services. So those are all pretty broad goals. in your packet. we list the 24 into one of those particular goals so that you can see how it aligns. So as new goals come forward, Now everything is blurry. |
| 02:56:14.31 | Unknown | You've got to keep those on. It's all blurry. |
| 02:56:15.17 | Adam Politzer | It's all blurry now. I don't see anything now. |
| 02:56:15.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:17.25 | Adam Politzer | Um, which is how I spend half my day. But the... As you go forward, as new goals come up tonight based on what what one of the commissions may have shared with you in the attachment that didn't make the list of 24, but you think it sounds like a good idea, you wanna ask yourself, does it fall into one of those strategic goals? If someone from the community comes forward and says one of the items, that didn't make anybody's list, And I rushed down here tonight to share with you You asked the question, does it fall into one of those goals? are very broad. So hopefully... It's able to be captured but if it's way out in left field. then we can have a conversation on the side and figure out how to deal with it. Based on the audience tonight, I don't think we're going to have too many left field questions. Okay, so now. Next. So in your packet is the alphabetical list of the 24 items. To help you folks in the past we just had it in alphabetical order without numbers, so you had to kind of guess approximately where it was halfway down the list. Now we've put numbers on it to help you folks say, you know, we have questions on You know, number 11, what does firehouse number two develop council policy for use What are we going to do with firehouse number two? We've got a brand new fire station down there. We have this property up there. Do you want staff to spend any time on it? Do you want to have this as an item to be prioritized? Or do you just want to just let it sit up there and we'll deal with it? in the future. If you chose to deal with it in the future, then you would take it off the list and you'd say, We're not going to deal with it this year. If you say it's still important because it is an asset, It's a facility in a residential neighborhood. And we can't just let it sit there and rot. and have weeds grow. So we should probably keep it on the list where it falls is when you guys do your individual ranking. I think it's worth noting that there was some discrepancies, and again, Thanks to our community members here, particularly Shelby. Um, When you look at the different lists, some of these lists were created at the strategic And so the verbiage on there is different than what's here on your 24. Some of the other lists were items that were on last year's priority calendar, and it also had different verbiage. So we didn't go through and change all the verbiage Items here. match the items on previous discussions or meetings. We just wanted to make sure that what's on this list is accurate. So for item number two on the alphabetical list, not on level of importance, sorry to say, but beautification projects say downtown and medians, City Hall and Caledonia Street. So on the other list, it doesn't call out medians specifically and doesn't call out City Hall. It just says downtown and Caledonia. But I want to make sure that the public tonight and the council tonight understands that this is the important list. We can go back through and scrutinize some of the other language that was developed over time versus other meetings But this is the important list, so if your item is not on this list, then that's when you want to get up and say, I think this item should be If your item is on this list, And it's not Um... to you on what it actually is going to do, You want to come up and tell the council this is what we think should happen on the number three, for example, the Central Waterfront Master Plan. Um, That's a good opportunity to come up and say, and this year this is what I think should happen on the central waterfront master plan. If your item is up there and you think the council is clear on it because you've come and done presentations in the past, your Board or committee, be the Parks and Rec Commission, or the Trees and Views Committee or any of the other ones that have been submitted information, if you think they have a clear understanding that what needs to be done, then there's no reason other than to get up and say, I want to put my support and this is why, but you don't have to get into the wordsmithing of what's up there. We try to make this concise so it's understandable. in the process. but obviously, we can write volumes based on you know, what each of these items require the need And so for that, we've asked staff to be here tonight. So the staff that's most affected on the items are the Public Works Department, the Community Development Department, the Parks and Rec Department. AND THE ADMINISTRATION'S DEPARTMENT FINANCE IN PARTICULAR. WE APPRECIATE THE CHIEF BEING HERE, BUT Her items have moved on to the staff. work loads. Bikes is an example of that. Tour bus is an example of that. disaster preparedness, but if for some reason the council wanted to look at other items from the police department's perspective, The chief is here as the other department heads so that they can help clarify as necessary items that are up there. I have to Remind the council, and some council members may not be here any longer. on some of these items. But some of these items came from the council. and in some IN SOME CASES, We as staff may not be 100% clear on what it is that we're trying to affect And so if the council can't remember and staff can't remember, that's a good candidate to be removed and look for another opportunity to bring an item forward. So I think is there one? |
| 03:02:04.13 | Unknown | the item about putting horse ties downtown should come off the list |
| 03:02:12.26 | Adam Politzer | So just the last slide here. It's in your packet, but I don't think there's much need to go into it. These were the items that got taken off of the priority calendar. If you look at the departments that were most affected by this, obviously Public Works there and Community Development. had the majority of the items. It doesn't mean that they have the majority of the work because when you look at administration or police, those are still big, significant, needy projects. And when you look at the staffing level of admin, You know, there it's not always apples to apples based on just the sheer number. It's all significant work. In some cases, some of those some of those will cross over. And again, I think there looks like there's A mistake. So when you look at community development, If you go halfway down, you see parks and recreation, That is its own department, obviously. We haven't folded that into – MR. Mike, sorry about that. |
| 03:03:14.04 | Unknown | Mike, sorry about that. |
| 03:03:17.60 | Adam Politzer | The Parks and Rec, yes, I've paved it over and I've turned it into the Community Development You're lucky you're not in there engineering. We'd totally be done. Um, But Parks and Rec is obviously its own department, and you can see the items have fallen in there. Age friendly. playground park improvement plan, and Robin Sweeney Park, which we've made significant movement, but we now need to push it into the final design review process and then start to raise money and fund it. So it's just an example of what's on the list. It's not an example. It is what was moved off the priority calendar and onto their work plans. So again, if you have questions of any of the items, this was in your packet. If there's any items that are on this list that you have questions of staff, on how they're handling that. the progress of those, or should it be back on the priority calendar? This is a good time to ask that question. Thank you. |
| 03:04:15.70 | Unknown | General, on that particular list, we have our priority calendar, but on your city department project list, does council have input on the priorities within each of the departments? |
| 03:04:17.27 | Adam Politzer | Sure. On that particular list? |
| 03:04:34.81 | Unknown | Everybody really got quiet then. |
| 03:04:35.08 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. Not in this process. that the council has in this process on this list. is if you believe based on that first slide if it doesn't meet the criteria. Should it not be routine service? And if it shouldn't be routine service, then it should be back on the priority calendar. Um, Where you will get a crack at this, and the Finance Committee has had lots of cracks at this recently, is going through their budget. And in some cases, these will fall in as supplemental. In other cases, they're just ADA plan, We know where we are on that discussion, and that will be in the capital project. A lot of those items on public works are capital projects. So in the budget process, we'll come back to you and discuss how we're going to fund these. It doesn't mean that they're all going to get done. But the question is in the budget process, Where do these fall in terms of moving these forward? So yes, question please. |
| 03:05:49.34 | Unknown | Ms. Tamera, I have a question? Yeah. So Adam, when I look at this list, and this was the same question |
| 03:05:50.68 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 03:05:58.44 | Unknown | I had last year, Uh... I am... I've always had this question about this process because I look at the department projects And those department projects, like the housing element, ADA plan, so many of them are very time consuming and of a very high priority. And those don't include the regular tests and roles of the job, such as code enforcement, which are, again, a very high priority from residents. And so I struggle with this process because I look at the projects that our staff have, and I add that to the regular roles of their job, which, you know, we know we'd like to put some of those at least a higher priority. And I'm not sure, I mean, where is the time? What is the amount of time they have left to spend on our top seven? priority projects. |
| 03:07:17.95 | Adam Politzer | the Thank you. Brief answer is that falls onto my shoulders. I have to, as I'm working with staff, looking at the council priorities, listening to the community, looking at our workload, have to know share with council during the budget process what we can take on or what we can't take on And so the priority calendar, if you just look at the strict interpretation A lot of these are things that we would love to be able to do, but they're not necessarily required. Um, The items that are showing up on the project list are things that the council has already deemed as important by by either putting Um, And hearing from our boards and commissions that this is what they're working on or hearing this is what they're working on, and the budget dollars matching those. Some of these things evolved as they roll out. And the Marineship-specific plan is an example of that where it started as a priority calendar But now we have a steering committee, we have a dedicated Staff. because it's got the three-legged horse or three-legged stool. Uh-oh, three legs it stole. |
| 03:08:34.82 | Unknown | Keep it the three-legged horse. |
| 03:08:36.29 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 03:08:36.56 | Unknown | you |
| 03:08:36.84 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:08:37.55 | Unknown | Thank you. Sorry. Now, if they find the fourth leg, then we'll call them all good. |
| 03:08:39.58 | Unknown | If they find the fourth leg. |
| 03:08:47.53 | Adam Politzer | I'll just tell you, but it's been one of those days. We're not talking about the Kentucky Derby, are we? But the three-legged – so in this case, the three-legged stool, |
| 03:08:47.88 | Unknown | It's been one of those days. We're not talking. |
| 03:08:51.04 | Jeff Jacob | The question about the Kentucky Derby, are we? |
| 03:08:52.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:08:56.96 | Adam Politzer | has required both the administration department, the community service department, and the community development department, and the public works department to all play a role in the effort. So it's over time, it's evolved, the council, gave it an allocation of funds to help bring on a professional consultant and then increase that at midyear So it's gone from a, we're not going to rank this low on the list, and stop doing it because it's got too much momentum and effort and money and investment put into it. get to a place where we can either stop or continue forward. And that's where we are at this point in the process. So in this case, Um, The reason why it has to move off of this list and onto the staff stuff list. is so that we continue to, during the budget process, reaffirm that we want to spend money on staff time on it, and on consultants and dedicate a committee to continue to work on it. If the council decides, you know what? and not to belittle Imagine Sausalito. But at some point, the council said, we're not going to spend any more money or resources, on Madden Sausalito and we stopped working on it. Cold turkey to stop. and moved on to what we started when I became the city manager Back to the basics. And that's where our efforts were focused. We're moving out of back of the basics and planning for the future, and that's, you know, this is now what, when you start looking at these 25 items, It's how do we make the city look nicer? How do we deal with our parks that haven't been dealt with? What? Ordinances and policies need to be reviewed and updated. how are we going to become sustainable over a longer period of time, not just over the next three years during the recession, but how are we going to maintain this and become resilient? So a lot of this, what's on the list, although they are like the things that we'd like to do, They're also really important and strategic as we move forward as we look towards the future. Um, So, That's kind of a longer answer and probably a lot more complicated of an answer than necessary. But a lot of it falls onto my shoulder to to determine what's important. A lot of it's discussed at the Finance Committee and eventually it makes its way to the Council during the two or three public hearings on budget that you folks will roll up your sleeves and get involved in. |
| 03:11:28.21 | Unknown | Thank you for that, Adam. I think we need to establish a process here because if you actually look at what you're asking us to do, we could be here at 3 in the morning. |
| 03:11:45.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:11:45.08 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:11:45.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:11:45.25 | Herb Weiner | We're going to be. |
| 03:11:45.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:11:46.74 | Unknown | The, you know, because we've got We've got the stuff you've taken off. That's one list. We've got the stuff that's departmental projects to ask whether they should come back on. Thank you. You've got five different commissions. The Planning Commission has got two pages worth of stuff. We need to hear from the public. Okay? And then you want to try and synthesize all of that and see what's going to go on the priority calendar. If nothing else, we need to try and do this rather efficiently and in some systematic order. Otherwise, we'll just have chaos. |
| 03:12:29.36 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, and in fairness to the boards and commissions and even to most of the public, The 24 items are items that really have been on the list before. There's not a whole lot of new items. There may have been some changing in wording. Thank you. to help it a little bit be more understandable. At the end of the day, we took the existing list and moved them forward, took items off that had either no or little community support or were coming to the end of their needs. for staff to work on them because they were deemed complete or going to be complete by the end of the calendar year. So I don't think I don't think there's any misunderstanding from the community or from the boards or commissions that you're going to take their list of 37 and add it to this list of 24 if they're not all on there. But I think I'm asking for the Council not to overcomplicate this. And, and, trust that what's on the department list should be there because that's really my job. I wouldn't have moved it over if I didn't think that staff could handle it. But if there is disagreement on my decision, then this is the opportunity to say we don't agree. But on the priority calendar item, I would quickly go to the community, ask for their feedback, and then get to your discussion. |
| 03:13:52.12 | Unknown | Yeah, I think that's a very good suggestion. So at this point, I'm opening this up for public comment and we would welcome your input, those who would like to give it. Remember him, you have three minutes. Who wants to go first? Shelby. |
| 03:14:16.76 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 03:14:20.94 | Shelby | You have a tough job ahead of you. but I'm gonna help you decide at least one item |
| 03:14:27.46 | Unknown | What about the others? Thank you. |
| 03:14:29.41 | Shelby | They're up for grabs, I'm afraid. |
| 03:14:32.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:14:33.41 | Shelby | I'm totally confused, but in any case, TO JOHNATON AND ADAM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INCLUDING SAUSALITO BEAUTIFUL PROJECTS AMONG THE SIX COMMUNITY GENERATED PROJECTS RECOMMENDED FOR INCLUSION ON THIS YEAR'S PRIORITY CALENDAR. AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT EACH OF YOU SELECT AND PLACE AT A HIGH PRIORITY THE SAUSALITO BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED Number two happens to be alphabetical. Um, that you see and that Adam discussed, Downtown, Median, City Hall, and Caledonia Street. As you've probably noticed, the pruning of Caledonia Street trees has happened. Thanks to your allocation in February and it really has made a dramatic difference. I understand that Barlett has received more than 25 comments from people, businesses, and residences about what a positive difference this makes. And at least two property owners have already called asking for additional estimates for their properties on the side street. So the reason I mention this is because that single positive visual change has had amazing ripple effects that I think haven't finished yet. And this has been proven over and over again. When visual changes are made that are positive, We never know how the ripple effects are going to fan out and benefit us over and over again. So we can only imagine the ripple effects that will come from the other projects we've recommended. We expect that the Rotary and Lions Club entry statements will come before the city of Shear. So even though the design approval process will take time, you may want to include that, or we ask that you consider including that on the list of beautification projects. Since we're here, we'll ask again, even plead, that you do all you can to make sure there's proper allocation in the next public works budget for appropriate levels of care and maintenance of landscapes, whether through adding staff or hiring outside contractors to do the basics. Without this, as we all discussed, community and city projects, new landscapes and rehab will be grievously wasted. The Saucelita beautification projects listed on next year's priority calendar represent the beginning of a beautiful friendship. I should say partnership. between this new organization and the city. that we feel certain will pay off handsomely all the way around. Seeing the projects we've recommended on the priority calendar was very heartening and we're very grateful. And now we ask, respectfully ask, that you individual city council members keep this priority item high on the list and in the top seven. Thank you so much for your continued interest and attention to beautification. and for your thoughtful consideration of this request. |
| 03:17:28.73 | Unknown | Thank you, Shelby. |
| 03:17:33.39 | Unknown | anybody else |
| 03:17:39.12 | Unknown | I'm Meg Fawcett and I second exactly what Shelby was saying, but I also would like to give you some specifics in narrowing things down perhaps and making some choices. You received and accepted the Quest to Report, and it's a very large, enormous project, but within it there are priorities |
| 03:17:59.05 | Unknown | in it. |
| 03:18:01.08 | Unknown | A, B, and C for various things. And I would hope that if you had only limited money, that you would at least do on the median five Nevada Street to Olive Street, to take out the report. 32 sycamore trees that are there. As they noted, and that's an A project, median five, Agapanthus are in good condition, so all you'd have to do is get rid of those trees that are dead and dying, and you would have something that looked okay. |
| 03:18:30.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:30.32 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:18:30.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:33.82 | Unknown | That would be my first choice in terms of the medians. The second one is similar on median number seven, which they want. and said that the replacement should be of 23 sycamore trees. Again, these are trees that are are practically dead. and they noticed that all they're asking as a possibility would be replaced with native grass mix or replaced with shrub ground cover mix at trees. So that would be a very simple kind of thing that would make a big impact on the city. And if you had the resources The next one would be median four, Harper Avenue to Nevada Street, which again is removal of a bunch of trees. and then some aeration. The first two are the most important and would make a real impact. Thank you. |
| 03:19:26.74 | Unknown | Thank you, Michael. |
| 03:19:34.67 | Michael Racks | I'm Michael Racks, architect. I want to encourage the Central Waterfront Master Plan. Stay Si on the list. There's so much going on in this central part of our waterfront. I counted five public projects, the Dunphy Park Master Plan, of course, but also planning the vacant property the city purchased along the Railroad Roadway next to the Malia property. We got Casa Marina and the Cruising Club needs to get started, and they want to get started. We got the Edgewater Burst that needs a vision. I count five private properties that want to do something. Galilee's mobilizing to get started on their phase two. We got the Bridgeway Marina wanting to begin their planning, including the vacant lot next to that they own adjacent to Dunphy Park. The Maliya property, we got the vacant lot next to Salido's, and we got Madden all wanting to do something. Okay. We need to figure out how these pieces fit together. Oh, and the turning ramp. That's another public one. How do these pieces fit together? Needs a master plan. The zoning and the uses are dated. We need to update that. We should figure out a vision so the zoning responds to the vision rather than the other way around. And we have transportation initiatives that North-South Greenway and the Shoreline Trail that the Transportation Committee put together. So the times now, that's important. Really quickly on others, I don't know why number 17 is up there. Maybe I should find I really can't understand why we'd want to... lower the threshold on undergrounding utility lines. I mean, am I mistaken? I think we want to encourage undergrounding. Thank you. |
| 03:21:25.25 | Unknown | I think for clarification, that it would – by lowering the threshold when you'd cross over into mandatory. This is from the Undergrounding Committee, I believe. MR. You mean it'll make it – it'll motivate people by the ground? MR. It's not a motivator. It's what we require. It's a requirement. MR. Require. MR. It's going to lower the – you cross over in a threshold that you would have to – MR. Remove the barrier. MR. Well, it lowers the threshold that says you have to underground. MR. That will – MR. That's what they're asking for. |
| 03:21:34.09 | Michael Racks | It'll motivate people down the ground. required. |
| 03:21:43.39 | Michael Racks | You have to. Barrier. |
| 03:21:48.62 | Michael Racks | That's what they're asking for. Well, then that's a good thing because we all want those wires underground. I think probably one of the first things you should do is require design review for new commercial industrial buildings. That's an embarrassing oversight that's missing from our zoning ordinance. Has been there for a long time. And we're several years behind on updating the non-conforming use and structures that were promised to the public. So those not only should stay on the list, but be high on the list. And then the last thing, on the city's list, I just want to maintain the progress and momentum on the marineship plan. I would like to see the omnibus zoning completed before Jeremy leaves for retirement, because he knows that really well, and it would be hard to pick that up by someone else. And last, mooring field. I'm glad to see it on the list. I hope it stays there. A proper mooring plan will provide a safer and better managed harbor. Thank you. |
| 03:22:55.43 | Unknown | Thanks, Michael. Is there any other member of the public who has there? |
| 03:23:05.18 | Heather | Good evening. I just wanted to find out exactly where Cast Marina falls on this calendar because it took two years to get onto it. And hopefully we're not on this one because everyone's so hopeful that we're this close to a lease that we don't need to be there. But I just want to make sure it's not an oversight. And I want to point out a couple of significant things that did happen this year. So we, with Chris Gallagher, put on a really successful youth ambassador program for the America's Cup. We installed the new docks and new pilings from Oracle. We sort of established the Herring Festival as our annual fundraiser, and it was very successful, and it was a great community event as well as a fundraiser. The engineering for the ramp and the abutment is finished. The plans for the office and the land site improvements, thanks to Michael Rex's office, is also finished. The non-natives were eradicated, and the land was graded last Saturday thanks to the Lions Club. And we have a pilot program right now running on Friday mornings at the Spalding Wooden Boat Center with the eighth graders from MLK Middle School. We're taking them out on the water and doing boat building jointly. So even though we don't have a facility, we've managed to start a pilot program. Kids continue to build boats, and we continue to build and curate our fleet so that we're ready to go. And we do continue to fundraise, and we have another one planned, which just got approved for summer solstice. So I just want to make sure that it's not an oversight, that we are really moving forward still, and encourage you to keep us on the priority calendar until we're up and running and we move into the realm of being just a continuous entity that runs smoothly. Thank you. |
| 03:24:59.71 | Unknown | Thanks, Heather. Adam, could you... |
| 03:25:02.61 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I apologize, Heather. It's not an oversight, but it could have been called out a little bit differently. Michael Rex, you kind of commented on it when you look at the central waterfront and the Friends of Dunphy Park's effort. You know, you are obviously in the mix of that discussion. And you're also correct that our anticipation for your component is done In this. cycle. which we're currently working on. anything that tails over, after July 1. would just continue to be on Jonathan Goldman's work plan. because your component is actually relatively Um, concise. and exact. But the rest of the area with the cruising club and the friends at Dunphy Park and the parking and the ADA, all the other things that come into that component are a little bit more complex. And then when you open it up to what Michael Rex talked about, the central a waterfront master plan, It all has to come together, but we're not wanting to hold up your project BASED ON WE'VE GOT TO GET THE MASTER PLAN, vision first. Some will disagree with that, but that's how we've been progressing. |
| 03:26:11.85 | Heather | Okay, thank you. And we also very, very strongly support moving that master plan forward as well, and we'll do whatever we can to help with that process. Thank you. |
| 03:26:23.08 | Unknown | Thanks, Heather. you Any other member of the public like to comment? Oh, okay. Well, we will... close public comment and carry on. |
| 03:26:40.96 | Unknown | I'll keep turning that off to figure out our next steps. So would you like us to focus on, at the moment, on this? this the |
| 03:26:52.76 | Unknown | Can I ask a clarification question? Maybe a process question? Yeah. If we have questions on the things you removed or whether they really are department |
| 03:26:55.68 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:27:05.31 | Unknown | normal day-to-day stuff should we do go through that first or you want to dive into this first dive into that first not the stuff you removed What do you mean that's easiest? What do you want us to do with this list? |
| 03:27:18.63 | Adam Politzer | CONFIRM THAT THOSE ITEMS SHOULD CONTINUE TO STAY AND REMAIN ON THE LIST. AND IF YOU WANT TO ADD NEW ITEMS OR REDEFINE AN ITEM BASED ON COMMENTS MADE BY THE PUBLIC, |
| 03:27:23.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:27:32.50 | Adam Politzer | THE OPPORTUNITY TO redefine it. or if you have questions of staff on any of those items, an opportunity to ask them. I'm not sure. |
| 03:27:41.04 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:27:41.73 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, can I – shall I start? I have one item to add. Yes. So I would add a 10-year financial plan. We know already that certain pension liabilities, unfunded liabilities are going to be hitting us, and we can project forward to see what that's going to look like. |
| 03:27:42.67 | Adam Politzer | So, can I... |
| 03:27:45.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:27:45.32 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 03:27:45.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:28:05.05 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 03:28:07.55 | Unknown | Currently, there is a department project called Fiscal Planning, and it includes a five-year plan, but I'm proposing a 10-year fiscal plan. |
| 03:28:25.35 | Unknown | Okay. Let's move. Do you want us to do the adding or the deleting or the questions on the 20? What do you want us to do? This is what I'm like. It always gets to this point with this process. |
| 03:28:35.78 | Adam Politzer | Either way, if there's a consensus to add, and you can do it different ways here, you can just have Debbie add them now, and then you can go back through and ask that there's a consensus. So we can add everything that you say and then go through. |
| 03:28:49.67 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:28:51.08 | Adam Politzer | a thumb up or thumb down vote. AND THEN REMOVE OR KEEP ITEMS ON THERE. OR YOU CAN DO THE THUMB UP, THUMB DOWN, AS THE ITEMS ARE BEING PROPOSED. I DID WANT TO ASK OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIRECTOR CHARLIE TO COMMENT ON THE 10-YEAR PLAN BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS A COUNCIL ITEM, I THOUGHT WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE. specifically to that. |
| 03:29:18.20 | Charlie Francis | The city has a 10-year financial model, and we've demonstrated that financial model on a number of occasions since the last strategic planning session in November, where we've put it up on the screen in graphic form and gone through it. We're continually calibrating it and the actual expenditures and then readjusting our forecasts as we gather more information. For example, when we had the pension discussion here with Mr. Bartell, we got more confirmation on what Kelpers is doing and what he did was confirm that the assumptions that I had in the model were indeed accurate. So we'll be using the financial model also and presenting it with what impact the proposed budget will have on the future, looking at 10 years out also. So the model is built, it's being used, and we've demonstrated it a number of times to this council. |
| 03:29:32.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:30:18.63 | Unknown | And if I may respond, Charlie, I remember that and I I can't recall there was something about that that I had questions about that I wanted to add to it, and I know it had to do with some of the pension legislation coming. I guess at this point I need to revisit that and at the next council be – you know, clarify what that item would be that I would add to the list. |
| 03:30:45.11 | Charlie Francis | Well, we'll be demonstrating the model as part of the budget process, and we'll be able to delve into it at that point and say, well, what assumptions did you use go forward? I guess I just don't. |
| 03:30:55.91 | Unknown | I guess I just don't want to miss the opportunity to add it to the list if I – I'll just revisit it, and then I'll be more specific when I list it up here. |
| 03:31:06.03 | Adam Politzer | THE END OF |
| 03:31:06.35 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Charlie. |
| 03:31:07.52 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Mr. Mayor, if you would like, we can just add the item. Or not. I'm suggesting that this item probably wouldn't be a priority calendar item because staff is already engaged in working with it and will continue to keep it in front of the council, but it's at the will of the council. |
| 03:31:27.25 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:31:28.60 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:31:28.80 | Unknown | I mean, I honestly don't know what you're asking for. |
| 03:31:28.92 | Adam Politzer | I'm sorry. |
| 03:31:28.99 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 03:31:29.05 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:31:29.20 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:31:29.29 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:31:29.39 | Unknown | Thank you. Well, I think I just said what we could do is leave it off this, and I'm going to go back and look at his model. Because I remember when he presented it, I had issues with respect to... |
| 03:31:37.22 | Unknown | to go back and look I can't. |
| 03:31:43.97 | Unknown | you know, the pension legislation hit that I |
| 03:31:45.71 | Unknown | pension legislation. I don't want to tell you what to do, but I found it very helpful to actually sit down with Charlie and let him sort of walk through the – the whole thing. Oh, no, I followed his presentation. |
| 03:31:57.15 | Unknown | Oh, no, I followed his presentation. It was just there was some data missing, and I wanted to see it included. So I guess my recommendation is I'll step back, like I just said, review his model, and then I'll come back in the next session and be more specific. |
| 03:32:11.34 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:32:11.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:32:12.69 | Unknown | Ray, why don't we just go down the list? Yeah. We'll see if we want to leave it. Say, OK, OK, leave. |
| 03:32:17.53 | Unknown | Good. |
| 03:32:17.84 | Herb Weiner | to see if we want to leave it or... |
| 03:32:21.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:32:21.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:32:21.95 | Unknown | Yeah, I think that's what we should. We're on the alphabetical one, aren't we? |
| 03:32:25.36 | Unknown | Yeah, we're just seeing if we want it on or on. It doesn't mean what order we're putting it in. |
| 03:32:30.58 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:32:32.70 | Unknown | at OKM. |
| 03:32:33.95 | Unknown | Definitely. |
| 03:32:37.01 | Unknown | Okay. That's the other first one. |
| 03:32:41.89 | Herb Weiner | ask if there are any objections or you Thank you. |
| 03:32:45.95 | Unknown | I'm just assuming people are going to speak up because, okay, I can call. Number one. Okay. |
| 03:32:48.74 | Herb Weiner | I can call. |
| 03:32:49.97 | Unknown | Number one. I have a question of number five. What exactly does that mean? Because I don't – I don't remember. That wasn't on any prior – priority calendar, and I'm not sure what it means. Yeah. Because – |
| 03:32:52.67 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 03:32:52.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:33:03.13 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 03:33:04.06 | Unknown | I'd love to see. |
| 03:33:04.28 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:33:04.38 | Unknown | So, |
| 03:33:04.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:33:04.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:33:04.67 | Herb Weiner | God. |
| 03:33:05.04 | Unknown | um, And where did it come from? |
| 03:33:11.32 | Unknown | Since Michael left, now we can discuss. Sorry, Michael. I'm just kidding. |
| 03:33:14.32 | Jeremy | sorry my contested orders in our design regulations we have to fresh it's on right now are silent new commercial projects so technically eight new commercial project or a new industrial project would only require a zoning permit. We don't think that is the intent of the council. so but what's here and |
| 03:33:57.77 | Unknown | So when like 3030 or whatever, there's ones across the street here were built, I mean, this is before your time, but they don't have design review permits? They only had zoning? |
| 03:34:08.84 | Jeremy | I don't know about that, but I do know what the regulations say today. And this is one of the issues that was identified when we went through the omnibus, the minor ones, about a year and a half ago. And it came up through that discussion that this was a hole we had, and so we're trying to blend the hole. It needs to be a pretty straightforward amendment. It's certainly an essential amendment, and we're lucky we've got some bullets so far. |
| 03:34:22.48 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:34:22.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:34:22.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:34:22.88 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:34:27.54 | Unknown | But, yeah, go ahead. That's the great news. Yeah. |
| 03:34:36.13 | Unknown | So why have you called this out as opposed to putting it into the sort of major policy omnibus? |
| 03:34:44.48 | Jeremy | In the discussions that Adam and I had, I pulled out the five most important zoning ordinance amendments, and this was one of those five. Got it. |
| 03:34:55.38 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. Got it. And if I can add to that, similar to Michael Rex's comments, what are we going to be able to do in the time that our community development director is still here? before we make that transition. So these were items that we thought that we can make at least significant headway on. |
| 03:35:13.84 | Unknown | I mean, this is a big hole. |
| 03:35:18.08 | Unknown | I was not aware of this, and maybe I just didn't follow it. |
| 03:35:19.04 | Unknown | English side. |
| 03:35:21.52 | Unknown | because I would have thought it would have been an issue. Maybe I've been on planet 10. But if it's a hole, we've got to fill it. So number 10, and this is where I'm going. |
| 03:35:31.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:35.44 | Unknown | Are we going down the list? |
| 03:35:37.30 | Unknown | but no i think we're you can go down with the i think it's easier just if you have one you want to pick out his name of the trend either way i don't have a list |
| 03:35:42.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:42.57 | Unknown | That's fine either way. No, I don't have a |
| 03:35:44.57 | Unknown | I'll list them. |
| 03:35:46.02 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 03:35:46.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:46.21 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:35:46.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:46.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:46.33 | Unknown | I'll just take turns. OK, well, number nine. Heat wave, street sewer and flooding improvements. Haven't we had public works have had all their improvements? Why is that one called out so specially? |
| 03:36:00.32 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 03:36:00.39 | Unknown | I'm not sure why that one's listed. |
| 03:36:00.54 | Unknown | Thank you. that was listed in |
| 03:36:02.92 | Adam Politzer | Tell me again the number. |
| 03:36:04.60 | Unknown | No. Heathway. Heathway the flooding. Why is that not in the rest of the public works improvements, and why is that particularly on the priority calendar? |
| 03:36:04.99 | Unknown | Heathway. Heathway, the flooding. |
| 03:36:10.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:36:10.93 | Adam Politzer | I'm not sure. |
| 03:36:11.10 | Unknown | It's a great day. |
| 03:36:14.17 | Adam Politzer | I'll probably ask Jonathan to come up and talk about it. This was – this preceded me. This was an item that was under consideration between the council and the property owners and it basically came to a stalemate when Mike Kelly was still on the council He talked the council into keeping this above the line. so that staff could actually spend some time on it and our public works director working with not just Heath Ceramics but the community out there coming forward with improvements. of all the sewer and flooding improvements that are required, I'll kind of let our public works director comment on that. |
| 03:37:00.86 | Jonathon Goldman | thank you Jonathan Goldman it's It really could go either way. It's especially complex because it involves a piece of public right-of-way that is a dead end and is not up to current standards for public right-of-way. So the concept was trying to find a way to vacate the right-of-way equitably and at the same time do so in a way that benefits the public. In a way that's routine, but it isn't an everyday routine. We also have not succeeded in completing that work yet. So I think it's possible that it could disappear as a priority, but it's still an issue and is in an area where there is the need specifically for significant sewer improvements. So there's an opportunity to try and address that |
| 03:37:21.23 | Jeremy | Oh. |
| 03:37:37.89 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:38:14.24 | Unknown | Can I answer your question, too? This is one of those issues where money and staff time will not solve this problem because it's a street that's owned by three different parties, including the city. So it's a good lesson in why you don't do this kind of lot line adjustments that they did when they created those properties. It started because that thing floods every time the tides are at their high level, but because what's the name of that office building? |
| 03:38:22.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:38:48.04 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:38:48.09 | Unknown | No, the office building. 475, Gate 5, Roto. |
| 03:38:51.33 | Unknown | where the West America is, whatever you want to call it. |
| 03:38:53.17 | Unknown | Oh, that's three hyperdrive. You look like a map. It's amazing. |
| 03:38:56.97 | Unknown | He was a man. |
| 03:38:58.05 | Unknown | It's amazing. |
| 03:38:58.67 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:38:58.69 | Unknown | Yay! |
| 03:38:58.91 | Unknown | Oh, my God. |
| 03:38:58.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:38:58.99 | Unknown | It is. |
| 03:38:59.87 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:39:00.97 | Unknown | So that was changing ownership in a part of a big LBO. So we lobbed in some legal shots saying, hey, you've got to solve this problem. So we scrambled years ago and started to go somewhere, and then that closed, and those guys just said, forget it. We're not going to participate in solving this problem, even though they own a part of the land. So it's not your run of the mill capital improvement project whether it deserves Thank you. that's for you to judge from a like, okay, Heath is a good thing to have in the city and this is very important to them and it floods every winter three or four times and it makes their life miserable. And they can't take care of the problem themselves because they don't control the property. So... That's why Mike, I think, was happy to get it on. |
| 03:39:49.50 | Unknown | Yeah, lobby to get it. Yeah. |
| 03:39:50.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:39:50.98 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:39:51.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:39:51.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:39:51.12 | Unknown | Okay, so Mr. Mayor. |
| 03:39:52.42 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor. |
| 03:39:53.53 | Unknown | No, no, that's not the case. |
| 03:39:55.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:39:56.09 | Unknown | I have a new item. I mean, do we have closure on that last discussion item? |
| 03:39:59.66 | Unknown | No, I want to make a comment also on the Heath. Um, I think one of the reasons that Mike Kelly, when he was mayor, stepped into that was because that time there, and it could be even in the future, that Heath really was so disturbed about that that they were... ready to leave and we felt that that was one project that we didn't want to leave yeah yeah |
| 03:40:16.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:40:16.61 | Unknown | Leave. |
| 03:40:24.61 | Unknown | So, Mr. Mayor? Yes. I'd like to add a bicycle mitigation and legislation strategy. |
| 03:40:26.18 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:40:34.15 | Unknown | Yes, that was a question. It was a priority calendar item before the bicycle stuff, but it didn't move over to Jennifer's list of – you just had that one item that moved over there. So the question is what happens with those? Not necessarily that phrasing of it, but the concept. |
| 03:40:48.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:40:51.61 | Unknown | My phrasing is kind of unique. I'm really specific on bike mitigation and legislation strategy. |
| 03:40:59.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:00.02 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:41:00.03 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:41:00.96 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:41:00.98 | Unknown | you |
| 03:41:01.15 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, what Councilmember Pfeiffer is requesting is a new item because she's looking for legislation. The item of management and circulation and crowd control is on the police department's work plan. It's – we can't do nothing. If you folks said put it as low priority, not an option. It's a public safety and nuisance that has to be addressed and managed. |
| 03:41:13.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:13.53 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:41:13.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:13.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:16.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:16.01 | Unknown | Oh, yeah. No. |
| 03:41:16.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:20.13 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:41:26.73 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:41:29.84 | Unknown | So bike. |
| 03:41:30.53 | Unknown | for, um, if you, yeah, if you could hold on one second. If, um, We put recommend something for inclusion, do you want? it to be automatically added, Do you want to have a discussion and a vote on it to be added. What do you want to do? |
| 03:41:50.46 | Adam Politzer | I think it's easier if you add it and then go through the new ones at the end and just say yay or nay. |
| 03:41:56.31 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. Did you have Linda's specific wording, Demi? |
| 03:42:02.17 | Unknown | I think it would be helpful if we just continue to go through the ones that are here, and if there's some we can cross off, then we start adding them. You know what I'm saying? Because then we can know how many we have to… |
| 03:42:13.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:14.03 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:42:14.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:14.12 | Unknown | Strategy, yeah. |
| 03:42:14.88 | Unknown | That's why I'm saying, why don't we just look down each one? It's either yes, no, and no. |
| 03:42:20.73 | Adam Politzer | I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR HAD RECOMMENDED, IS GOING THROUGH – WE'RE KIND OF |
| 03:42:20.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:24.61 | Adam Politzer | all over the place as he was worried it was going to happen. I think what he's suggesting is to go through the existing 24 If you have questions, then it's okay not to go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. If you have questions on any specific one or want to ask for clarification, That's fine, once you get through that, WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE ANY OF THESE ITEMS OFF, OR WE DO. Do that first and then ask for new items similar to what Councilmember Pfeiffer has recommended on number 25. |
| 03:42:56.49 | Unknown | I just fell in his lap and he said go one at a time. So Mr. Mayor, |
| 03:42:59.41 | Unknown | So, Mr. Mayor, I have a comment. I think we can drop number four, the Climate Action Plan, because that was back in, I think, 2009. That was number four when AB 32 had just come into play, and we were looking at, like, telework and telecommute, you know, programs and things like that. |
| 03:43:29.12 | Unknown | you |
| 03:43:29.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:29.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:29.31 | Unknown | Yes, Jeremy, isn't there something going on on that right now? Climate Action Plan. Sorry, Jonathan. |
| 03:43:29.41 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:43:37.92 | Unknown | Oh, wait, yeah, I'm sorry, I confused that with something else. Yeah, you're right, the Climate Action Plan is... I'm sorry. My... |
| 03:43:48.46 | Unknown | Okay, you're not... |
| 03:43:49.12 | Unknown | I saw AB 32 and I thought, oh wait, I remember that. |
| 03:43:50.94 | Unknown | Oh, wait, I remember that. So I'm assuming that we're all right up until number 9 because there was no – We got to number nine. |
| 03:44:02.27 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:44:03.16 | Unknown | Anybody have anything before 9? Okay. Is there anything between items 10 and 15, is there anything that anybody wants to comment on? I do. Okay, Tom. |
| 03:44:15.83 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:44:17.22 | Unknown | Well, it's two things. Port Vail Retail Zoning Ordinance, it says definitions should be clarified. I think actually it should be review and revise because I think we're going to take a deeper look. look at that because it's come from several committees. I mean, that's just a minor point. And then number 13. I think that should go because that came from the BAC, and the BAC actually has a new one, I have to look up This is a very complex name. because I think they got it from Charlie. But it's actually good. It's business analysis, no, business analytics services status report. |
| 03:44:47.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:44:47.39 | Vince Majora | And, uh... I'm not sure. |
| 03:44:50.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:44:58.48 | Unknown | That was requested from the BAC. What does that mean? |
| 03:44:59.27 | Unknown | We're quite happy. What does that mean? |
| 03:45:02.11 | Unknown | using credit card, Purchasing records of customer expenditure, transactional data, the city can identify core customers, considered visitors, Funding for this transactional data and other data resources can be used to develop strategies to diversify the city's retail offerings to visitors, residents, workforce, and second homeowners overall. I'm just taking that. I think that was it. Charlie, do you want to? Take a look at that. This is the number one request from the BAC. So certainly number 13, I think it's been dropped. Okay, so you can take a question. |
| 03:45:34.02 | Unknown | So you're replacing it? No, 13, I have a comment on clarifying what it originally started. And we can change the phrasing. OK, change the phrasing. |
| 03:45:39.97 | Unknown | Okay, change the freezing. Okay. Well, at any rate, from the BAC's point of view, and I'm just saying one thing, I think that was dropped in this. This was good. |
| 03:45:41.39 | Shelby | Okay. |
| 03:45:48.24 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:45:51.77 | Unknown | So what is this credit card data you're talking about? Did we get some of Target's credit card numbers and now we're going to analyze them? |
| 03:45:53.86 | Charlie Francis | Justice, did we get some? analyze them. There's two activities that go along. They look, first of all, by using credit card information we can determine people that are residing in our purchasing area, 94965, what are they buying in our area and what are they buying out of our area. So that allows us to look at what leakages we have and then start to say what economic development strategies do we want to engage in to attract businesses here that will be more resident serving. because we know that they're not resident serving at the present time. The second thing we would do is look at purchases that occur within the purchasing area, 94965, that are not done by residents, and where are they coming from, and where are they buying when they're visiting other localities like Sausalito. Then that would tell us what do we need to attract other than T-shirt shops that would benefit the local economy. So that is an activity that the business advisory committee is considering during their next year to look to see how can we buy that, what can we use with that information. And it fits under this rubric of local economic development so I don don't know if you really need to remove it and replace it. I would just chop the name off and just call it local economic development. |
| 03:47:22.51 | Unknown | i keep it the way you have it because locally economic development means that's for what that means |
| 03:47:25.75 | Charlie Francis | Yeah. |
| 03:47:29.10 | Unknown | Is there a proposal to fund this underneath their current budget, or is it to come out of the general fund? |
| 03:47:32.85 | Charlie Francis | or is it? |
| 03:47:36.63 | Charlie Francis | come out of the business advisories committee current budget comes from the general fund. They haven't decided what the cost is. I mean, we don't know what the cost is yet. The vendor is coming to the next business advisory committee meeting to demonstrate what it does, how it works, and how much it costs. Now, I've seen a presentation by the vendor through the California Local Economic Development Association and it's a number of cities are using this data very robustly in their local economic development programs and I'd like to explore more. |
| 03:47:39.21 | Unknown | Oh, okay. So that it does. |
| 03:47:45.19 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:47:45.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:47:58.37 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 03:48:09.88 | Unknown | I don't see why it has to go on the priority calendar. Do you know what I'm saying? So if it's coming out of their budget and we're approving their budget through the budget process, you know, it's a good thing. |
| 03:48:21.50 | Charlie Francis | in the past when the council's approved the budget for the business advisory committee they put the string on it that said you can only spend this by coming back to the council and asking for it and so by having it on the priority calendar |
| 03:48:21.62 | Unknown | Bye. Yeah. We've got a lot of people. |
| 03:48:28.49 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:48:31.78 | Unknown | Okay. Right. by having it. priority calendar. Thank you. |
| 03:48:36.25 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 03:48:36.35 | Unknown | I'm with you. |
| 03:48:36.39 | Charlie Francis | I'm going to go. up. |
| 03:48:37.11 | Unknown | Vice-Stars. |
| 03:48:37.97 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 03:48:38.04 | Unknown | All right. Gotcha. That was good. |
| 03:48:38.39 | Unknown | All right. I had a comment on number 13. |
| 03:48:41.04 | Unknown | Oh. Yeah, so 13, and Linda can clarify, or hopefully, it had mixed meanings to a lot of people. So what the, what I was hoping with 13 over the years, and it kind of morphed into that study that Rob Eiler did, but is for businesses that we want to keep, |
| 03:49:01.72 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 03:49:05.87 | Unknown | like marine related businesses. are there things we can do to incentivize them to stay, whether it's waiving business licenses, whether it's – or, you know, fees. I mean, not the license, just the fee aspect, or something – you know, things of that source. And we never got to that point in that process. So whether it's the arts, whether it's artists, whether it's marine-related businesses, you know, let's – if we can identify – and I think those are the easiest ones that were on the list at the time where those two – no one argued If there are things we can do to incentivize them to... to stay and help them grow. then let's do that if you're related to the, if you're, you know. Bye. |
| 03:49:49.74 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:49:50.09 | Unknown | Thank you. That's my – that was my goal of that when we started, and it morphed into something completely different. |
| 03:49:54.82 | Unknown | Yeah, I think specifically it was maritime services. because there was a lot of discussion about the Marin ship at the time regarding local economic development. And so the interest, at least from my perspective and with council member Carolyn Ford, was to retain and preserve the maritime services and look at the local economic development from that perspective. |
| 03:50:22.39 | Unknown | . Thank you. |
| 03:50:23.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:50:23.17 | Unknown | May I ask who would drive this? What department? I mean, it's an interesting idea. I'm just not sure where... Yeah, no, the answer is |
| 03:50:31.76 | Unknown | Yeah, no, the answer is it has – it never found the right home because the Business Advisory spoke to it but never kind of took it to heart as part of their thing. So it would probably live under Charlie and or some hybrid of Charlie and community development because you want to – there's probably some zoning things you can do as well that make those folks' lives easier from a business perspective. But if you want to narrow it to one thing and have it maritime businesses and start with one thing and see if we can go somewhere with it this year, I'm happy to do it. That, to me, is a no-brainer. |
| 03:50:48.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:51:15.30 | Unknown | We'd have to find someone who understands maritime industry and devote the budget to hire that person to actually know that we're doing the right thing to help encourage them to stay and help them grow. So that would be my suggestion. there. |
| 03:51:34.65 | Unknown | Okay, so I'm gonna shoot myself in the foot here. So number 10. So having this on the priority calendar, I'm not going to say it because it'll just get me in trouble. |
| 03:51:43.70 | Unknown | because I'm on the board of this people that wants to do this. But my understanding here is that with the ICE House, what has been said to the foundation is, if you want to do this, you go raise the money, and you minimize the impact on staff time and effort. So does it need to be a prior – if that's the criteria for it with the Saucido Foundation, then it doesn't need to rise to the, it's a special project, For sure. But then does it need to be on this list? |
| 03:52:12.18 | Adam Politzer | I, At the time it needed to be on the list, it probably still requires to stay on the list because of the various utilities and complexities of that actual corner of the ice house and what they're proposing to do and the coordination with moving items that are, you know, that are mechanical, that are owned by the city. We'd have to come up with the money, the money either we're going to |
| 03:52:27.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:52:27.93 | John Kassar | Thank you. |
| 03:52:28.05 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:52:41.41 | Adam Politzer | participate or they're going to raise the money to do all of it. Um, but there needs to be coordination and that coordination would be over 40 hours once we get into it. All right, that's good clarification. We're up to 15 now. |
| 03:52:49.49 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:52:53.42 | Unknown | Okay, so assuming we're up to 15, does anybody have any comments on 16 through 20? I guess I do. Could we, could you? explain what we're actually trying to achieve in 20. |
| 03:53:14.62 | Unknown | Oh, you can go over to 20. Yeah. |
| 03:53:17.78 | Unknown | What's our goal? What's the goal here? |
| 03:53:18.47 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:53:18.49 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:53:18.59 | Unknown | at all. |
| 03:53:18.86 | Adam Politzer | MR. Yes, this is our council member Weiner's item that he had recommended back in the day when we had a lot of folks and confusion on who owned what. Was it a city wall or is it private property? And so do we want to look at these areas that also require maintenance and or capital and create a policy that allows the homeowner or the property owner to acquire the property with the agreement that they would create the improvement that's necessary and go through the public process to to make the improvement. but to uncover the confusion on is it city or the private property. Todd Teachout, before he left, one of his big concerns was all these rock retaining walls, some of them leaning and some of them not. and some question on actually who owns it. Thank you. Trees, people's trees, confusion, are they public trees or private trees from the street level? They look like they're private trees. based on how the parcels were cut. they end up being public degrees and fall on our responsibility to maintain or deal with a liability when they fall over. So I think – and I don't want to put words in Councilmember Weiner's help, but if – but that I think was kind of the stimulus of that discussion. |
| 03:55:02.98 | Unknown | Also, there was a thought that by selling the right-of-ways, the person that purchased it could only use that to have off-street parking, not to increase the size of their home. but to use that additional, in other words, rather than incorporate that into the size of their property that they bought, the idea was to just let them use it for for parking only in that make it a bigger footprint on the house. And that way there you would get some off-street parking possibly. |
| 03:55:41.79 | Herb Weiner | Is that on the same subject or are we going on? No, I was talking about this one. No, no, I have something to have to say. |
| 03:55:44.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:55:44.98 | Unknown | No, I was talking about this one. So with that one, this is where – so here's the bigger picture discussion, and it relates to this one. So part of what we used this priority or evolved into was this kind of a honey-do list, you know, and a signal to the community that we recognize this problem. It's on the list, but it didn't just – it's not there from a – we're not prioritizing it in the top X number. So are we going to continue that kind of concept? There's a list over here that, hey, didn't make the line, but we're going to keep it on the inventory of things to do. Or you just want us to cut down to 24 and everything. I don't know. If you remember it next year, you can bring it back up. |
| 03:56:31.33 | Unknown | Yeah, I mean, I think he- Don't forget the lines can be seven. |
| 03:56:37.09 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:56:37.36 | Unknown | whatever it is, whatever the line. It's already below the line. Oh yeah, I know. |
| 03:56:38.56 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:56:38.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:38.62 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:56:38.66 | Unknown | Whatever. |
| 03:56:38.94 | Adam Politzer | or whatever the line. It's already below the line. Yeah, I know. |
| 03:56:41.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:43.28 | Adam Politzer | MR. Yeah, but as I requested, you know, the flexibility and the patience of the council here as we go through this transition, I think, though, what you're recommending is that an item like this may fall off of the list of 25 but move over to the staff list But be a low priority on the staff list. We're not gonna fund it we're not going to allocate staff time, but at least remains on a list |
| 03:57:07.24 | Unknown | Definitely. |
| 03:57:10.21 | Adam Politzer | of things for consideration rather than just saying, okay, well, let's have 37 items on this list that we know at least at this moment in time, not even possible to absorb that in the process. |
| 03:57:21.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:21.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:21.97 | Unknown | in the process. Thank you. |
| 03:57:23.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:23.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:23.86 | Adam Politzer | So it's still. would show up on a list. It just wouldn't be on the current year's priorities. |
| 03:57:30.04 | Unknown | So if you're okay with that, I would suggest moving that one to the staff list, and they can prioritize it as it is. Is that okay with you? |
| 03:57:41.84 | Unknown | Does it? Sure. Well, I have a question. On items 15, 16, and 19, they're all historic preservations. |
| 03:57:52.33 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 03:57:52.52 | Unknown | And if we're really getting down to seven items... My guess is, you know, Consolidate. It's to consolidate. And maybe say historic preservation, including... |
| 03:57:58.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:58:04.08 | Unknown | these three, because that would allow somebody who's working on it |
| 03:58:07.27 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:58:07.99 | Unknown | I mean, other than have three different ones, I mean, you're probably going to have the same staff person, and they could be working on it. Um... And we could do that. Otherwise, there's a good chance they're all gonna fall below the line. Um... And also, we wouldn't want all of them above the line and then have, it would distort it. So, Oh, Something on that or consolidation, historic preservation advance, including Mills Act, noteworthy, et cetera. |
| 03:58:37.29 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think in this particular case, we probably over time morph that in and out. You know, let's group them together. These are very distinct and different projects. And the consultants that we've used or will use or staff that we use or will use |
| 03:58:48.10 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:58:48.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:58:54.77 | Adam Politzer | The machine shop had a committee and a consultant effort on that. Um... So I don't necessarily think that it's a good idea to combine it or let Jeremy comment on it. Again, it's trying to prioritize where we put money because Each one of these could use a consultant the machine shop, Where we are with that now, we think we've convinced the VA not to knock it down. I think we've prevented that from happening. BASED ON THE COMMITTEE'S GOOD WORK. WITH STAFF. But now the question is, are we going to force them to mothball it? Because they can sit there and just wait for it to deteriorate. And we'll eventually fall down on its own. or burn. as members of the community have shared with us. so do we now require them to go in there and preserve it so that it can't deteriorate any further. That's a very different discussion than Number 15. specifically number 15 and 16. But Jeremy, do you want to add to my comment? |
| 03:59:55.43 | Jeremy | Well, I think I would like to concur with what Adam said. I think while these different projects you identified, Vice Mayor Theodore's, all fall under the umbrella of historic preservation projects, but they are very distinct projects. One could be working on the Mills Act without having anything to do with the machine shop |
| 04:00:07.92 | Unknown | THEY ARE. |
| 04:00:12.70 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:00:12.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:00:12.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:00:19.01 | Jeremy | action or the noteworthy structures. So there, I think it's better for the council to be looking at these as distinct options and then prioritizing them individually. |
| 04:00:33.20 | Unknown | Can I ask a question? So as far as the things – a couple things that moved over from the or to be completed in whatever timeframe you're deciding what to be completed is. The preservation regulations and the historic context statement, are those really gonna be completed |
| 04:00:53.17 | Jeremy | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:00:53.47 | Unknown | in I don't know what time frame. |
| 04:00:54.36 | Jeremy | I don't know what time frame. Yes, that was something, a discussion that the city manager and I had. Okay. And with the historic preservation regulations, we're looking at completion of that by the end of this year, the historic context statement, completion by the end of this fiscal year, early summer. |
| 04:00:58.72 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:01:09.87 | Unknown | So, Adam, for those two – and there's a couple – can we put those as department rather than just take them off any list because – put them on the department projects because that's what they are, and they're going to take his time over the next cycle. Absolutely. Great idea. Okay. |
| 04:01:15.51 | Jeremy | rather than... |
| 04:01:15.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:16.10 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 04:01:24.72 | Adam Politzer | Absolutely. |
| 04:01:25.83 | Unknown | That's a good idea. |
| 04:01:26.73 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:01:26.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:29.16 | Unknown | There we go. Okay. |
| 04:01:32.77 | Unknown | Okay, we're at what number? Yeah. Thank you. So, |
| 04:01:35.74 | Unknown | 21. |
| 04:01:35.89 | Unknown | Sorry. |
| 04:01:36.23 | Unknown | 2021. Yeah, we're at 21. I want to just flag 19. I think we've double counted. 19 is up here, noteworthy structures, and it's also in the list of city department projects. |
| 04:01:37.07 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 04:01:52.67 | Unknown | under a community development. |
| 04:01:55.82 | Unknown | This is a big project. It's a big project, yeah. |
| 04:01:59.65 | Unknown | give us the same no i know i i |
| 04:02:00.34 | Unknown | No, I know. |
| 04:02:01.10 | Jeremy | Exactly. |
| 04:02:01.54 | Unknown | Same. |
| 04:02:01.85 | Jeremy | I think from the community development part perspective, it's best on this list. But I suggest you also consult with the administration. I see. |
| 04:02:04.58 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:02:13.00 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 04:02:13.49 | Unknown | That's great. |
| 04:02:13.71 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:02:14.40 | Unknown | Absolutely. Thank you. |
| 04:02:16.78 | Jonathon Goldman | I said. |
| 04:02:17.15 | Unknown | Yeah. Bye. |
| 04:02:17.54 | Jeremy | you |
| 04:02:19.72 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay. Hey. |
| 04:02:21.03 | Unknown | You're doing well for 11.30 at night, I'll tell you that. |
| 04:02:21.34 | Jonathon Goldman | you |
| 04:02:21.40 | Jeremy | What are you doing? |
| 04:02:22.13 | Unknown | So what are you doing? |
| 04:02:22.69 | Jeremy | Thank you. |
| 04:02:22.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:22.77 | Jeremy | Well, |
| 04:02:22.97 | Jonathon Goldman | for |
| 04:02:25.50 | Unknown | You know, I Thank you. Yeah, I think this gets back to the earlier discussion we had about staff being so burdened with regular projects and then their roles and then these projects, too. I think if there's some synergy, it will help. |
| 04:02:48.10 | Unknown | So it's staying on the priority. Okay, so that's coming off the department list. Okay, cool. All right, so we got up to 20, so... |
| 04:02:48.89 | Unknown | So, |
| 04:02:48.91 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 04:02:48.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:49.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:49.01 | Unknown | with him. |
| 04:02:49.52 | Unknown | So, |
| 04:02:49.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:59.74 | Unknown | So I'll say 21 is one that I added years ago, and I'm willing to put it on Jonathan Goldman's department list. Because it also somewhat relates to central waterfront planning. A lot of that aspect was related to that. But otherwise, it's rather amorphous to a certain degree, because we don't really control much of the waterfront. |
| 04:03:16.00 | Herb Weiner | Because otherwise, |
| 04:03:16.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:22.12 | Unknown | you |
| 04:03:25.09 | Adam Politzer | If I can just add to that, just because that is – That discussion is pretty clear in my mind. It was also looking at how we were using what's the fund? Tideland's fund. Right. I mean, we had money that we weren't – |
| 04:03:37.36 | Unknown | Right. Money. |
| 04:03:40.95 | Adam Politzer | we were kind of saving that money. We weren't spending that money and we were using it for other things. that qualify but not for shoreline restoration, the mono-march. There was things that were being asked by the community and so again, that money was for those projects. You can put this on public works department's list. We've got to make sure there's money that we direct Thailand's money if in fact we want to do that during the budget process. |
| 04:03:47.26 | Unknown | that. Surely. |
| 04:04:10.03 | Unknown | Okay. I'm willing to – I'm in the spirit of lowering the number of things on the list. I'm willing to take that off if we can put it in to have it discussed during the budget process. |
| 04:04:28.47 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:04:28.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:04:28.61 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:04:28.76 | Unknown | Um... okay uh... underwater streets |
| 04:04:35.75 | Unknown | So this is another one of mine. |
| 04:04:35.83 | Unknown | So this is another one of mine. That's mine. So I think this is an opportune time, actually, to discuss this, not tonight, but I mean at this moment in time, because it really – |
| 04:04:38.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:04:38.33 | Unknown | That's fine. |
| 04:04:38.87 | Unknown | . |
| 04:04:50.04 | Unknown | I think it's a good thing. by discussing it, you could at least take it off the table of whether it's something like the public wants or the council chooses to do is just retiring the development rights under the underwater streets that the city controls and to see if it's legally possible with the state land grant or whatever we call it that we operate under for those commission, but the grant that they've kind of pondered off on us so they don't have to maintain it, but we have to deal with it. to see what the options are underneath that. And it's something that, you know, Mary, it's not a normal project, and it's probably going to require a little bit of research to see if it's even what our abilities are underneath the land, state lands grant, or whatever it is. So I would like to leave it on. If there's not support for it, then. |
| 04:05:24.67 | Unknown | something. |
| 04:05:43.90 | Unknown | for consideration in the ranking process? |
| 04:05:47.30 | Unknown | And just so I understand, that's not part of the central waterfront master plan? No. That'd be... |
| 04:05:53.52 | Unknown | That's where most of them are, but there are some in other parts of town. |
| 04:05:53.59 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:05:53.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:05:53.71 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:05:53.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:05:53.79 | Unknown | Sorry. |
| 04:05:53.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:05:54.13 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:05:55.21 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:05:55.34 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:05:55.45 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 04:05:55.53 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:05:55.63 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:05:57.98 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 04:06:00.91 | Unknown | I mean, did we actually do anything on this in the last year? No. No. Because with a bit of negotiation, we actually pushed it above the line, I think, if I remember. Right, but we didn't do anything. We didn't do anything. |
| 04:06:06.06 | Unknown | No. |
| 04:06:11.38 | Adam Politzer | Right, but we didn't do anything. Yeah, it did recently get agendized for the legislative committee. for discussion because staff was asking for clarification as well. So technically it had some action. |
| 04:06:22.60 | Unknown | Got it. |
| 04:06:31.04 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 04:06:31.58 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:06:31.64 | Unknown | Okay, good. And there's a link. |
| 04:06:32.62 | Herb Weiner | I'm going to go right there. |
| 04:06:36.27 | Unknown | And then we have two items that have been added. And so, Adam, what would be good to sort of move on to add in more items? |
| 04:06:52.03 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think you should look at item 26 there, because I thought I heard a recommendation from Charlie. this suggests that you may not need to call that out separately, but it could fall under the economic, local economic development incentive. |
| 04:07:06.74 | Unknown | No, I don't want to mix it with that because, I mean, yes, you can do whatever you want, but I'd rather keep them separate because it always gets – the local economic stuff gets all murky and people play with it as they see fit the language. |
| 04:07:12.68 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:07:12.94 | Adam Politzer | He's getting the local icon. |
| 04:07:13.97 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 04:07:20.16 | Unknown | Well. |
| 04:07:23.97 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. you |
| 04:07:25.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:25.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:25.46 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 04:07:25.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:25.49 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:07:25.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:27.20 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:07:31.53 | Unknown | I mean, remember that that item, going back to that item, was also the subject of some discussion when we were set in the priority calendar last year. Yes. And we clarified the language. Yes. That was part of the deal that right here under water streets. Right. |
| 04:07:40.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:40.97 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:07:41.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:07:42.79 | Unknown | That was part of the deal that you're under water streets. Right. So maybe we just clarify that and get rid of the local economic, they'll just spell it Marine Industry Incentive Program and just call it that in the local development, the BAC can suggest on that. I support that. I support that. |
| 04:07:52.19 | Herb Weiner | Yeah. |
| 04:07:58.77 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:08:01.27 | Unknown | Marine industries retention and you don't want to present |
| 04:08:06.97 | Unknown | isn't the right word, but... |
| 04:08:07.26 | Unknown | Right. Incentives. Incentive and retention programs. |
| 04:08:10.95 | Unknown | Let me tell you what the priority goal was last year. Thank you. |
| 04:08:14.26 | Unknown | I'm going to go. |
| 04:08:14.28 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:08:14.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:15.27 | Unknown | Local economic development study attracting and retaining businesses that are compatible with Sausalito's goals including maritime and arts businesses. It was very clear. Oh, I like that one. Well, that's what we negotiated. |
| 04:08:26.58 | Vince Majora | It was very good. Thank you. |
| 04:08:29.41 | Unknown | We negotiated last year. Okay. And we did spend time talking. We did, indeed. We did. I like that one. You should have put that one in. |
| 04:08:33.13 | Unknown | you We did indeed. |
| 04:08:40.25 | Unknown | I think they were trying to abbreviate the |
| 04:08:40.69 | Unknown | They were trying to. |
| 04:08:41.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:44.42 | Unknown | So... I told you that. Thank you. |
| 04:08:47.47 | Jonathon Goldman | put it right there. |
| 04:08:49.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:49.23 | Unknown | . |
| 04:08:49.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:49.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:49.46 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:08:49.68 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:08:49.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:50.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:50.56 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:08:50.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:51.01 | Unknown | Thank you. I just have some questions and clarification, and then hopefully it won't cause anything to add to it. So steps and stairways has become, I didn't see that go to a department thing, or is that just becoming a capital budget item? |
| 04:08:53.36 | Unknown | Let's go. |
| 04:08:53.98 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 04:08:55.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:55.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:55.84 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:08:56.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:06.61 | Unknown | I'm sorry, steps and stairways. Is that? That was on the old list. Didn't see it, but maybe I |
| 04:09:16.83 | Herb Weiner | should be. I'm not sure. Thank you. Thank you. . |
| 04:09:19.13 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:09:19.65 | Herb Weiner | We are moving the drive to the council. |
| 04:09:26.03 | Unknown | So is that – Adam, is that why the EPA mandate's not on this list? Because now it's been moved? Because I see it's – I know it's on the projects, but I guess I – Um, |
| 04:09:38.03 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, it's not something that we cannot prioritize. Right. |
| 04:09:40.19 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:09:41.79 | Adam Politzer | The steps and stairways, we've actually been working on it for a couple of years now. |
| 04:09:49.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:50.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:50.04 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:09:50.26 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:09:50.60 | Unknown | . |
| 04:09:51.00 | Unknown | Um... |
| 04:09:51.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:51.68 | Unknown | the the other one edgewater yacht that that bulkhead and the slips there was on a prior priority calendar and what is where does that go or does it just fall |
| 04:10:09.60 | Adam Politzer | That central waterfront master plan, as you recall and whomever else was on the OMIT committee at the time. We put out an RFP, we received eight proposals. One of them came with money and the rest of them said, we'll manage it for you, but you got to pay for it. |
| 04:10:26.32 | Unknown | Hello. |
| 04:10:29.36 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:10:29.38 | Unknown | Okay, so that falls under the central waterfront. |
| 04:10:29.41 | Adam Politzer | Okay, so that falls on the... Yeah, so right now there's no... |
| 04:10:32.89 | Unknown | Just like Cass Marina. |
| 04:10:35.50 | Adam Politzer | Now, Cass Marina is technically under the umbrella of the master, but that one has made significant progress this year, so we actually anticipate Cass Marina being resolved. Hopefully by the end of the fiscal year, potentially no later than the end of the calendar year. So there's no more they're going to come forward with a lease here in the near future. And then whatever happens with the Friends of Dunphy Park and the Cruising Club, will navigate around them. |
| 04:11:09.17 | Unknown | Okay, so how do I say this without getting in trouble? So if we're not going to prioritize that bulkhead, right, and it's definitely not in the CIP anywhere as far as I know, so, and we think it's gonna hold up for now, but it looks a little sketchy if you take a look at it, but it looks whatever, then what the CIP then we need to address it in the CIP. If we're not going to put it in here, we've got to put it in there somewhere. But what that also calls into question, if we put it out five years, whenever we have to absolutely do it before it falls in kind of thing, then we gotta get rid of all this crap that's on this piece of property we bought 10 years ago because you can't have it sit there for five more years because it's sort of a, sorry, it's not crap, We're doing the right thing and reusing material that would have gone to waste. But then we had to find a home for that stuff because you can't let that sit there five more years. |
| 04:12:00.59 | Unknown | and reusing materials. |
| 04:12:10.51 | Adam Politzer | or anticipating to reuse it. |
| 04:12:13.16 | Unknown | I know, but I mean, if it's waiting for this bulk, for that, they thought we were going to hold it for the Edgewater bulkhead. No, we were actually going to go ahead. |
| 04:12:13.18 | Adam Politzer | I know, but I mean, if it's waiting |
| 04:12:19.18 | Unknown | No. Thank you. |
| 04:12:21.24 | Unknown | Okay, correct me and solve my anxiety problems. . Thank you. |
| 04:12:26.07 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:12:26.20 | Unknown | . |
| 04:12:27.03 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:12:27.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:12:27.25 | Jonathon Goldman | Just for this particular issue. It's all work. You have nothing to worry about. |
| 04:12:27.86 | Unknown | Just for this particular issue. You have nothing. Thank you. about it. I'm sorry. done. |
| 04:12:35.62 | Jonathon Goldman | Done. It's Department of Public Works responsibility. We have the materials for that bulkhead to be replaced. That project has been designed and is actually in permitting and is posted for the BCDC permit right now. |
| 04:12:53.84 | Jeff Jacob | The... The... The... On board. |
| 04:12:55.25 | Jonathon Goldman | The bulkhead. Humboldt. Humboldt. Humboldt bulkhead. Okay. |
| 04:13:00.61 | Unknown | Good to know. Okay. |
| 04:13:04.46 | Adam Politzer | Mayor, disindulge me on that comment by Councilmember Leone. Thank you. |
| 04:13:10.82 | Unknown | Thank you. I'm no vice mayor. I'm not the mayor of vice. |
| 04:13:14.79 | Adam Politzer | Um... |
| 04:13:14.82 | Unknown | But they don't give you advice. |
| 04:13:17.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:13:18.11 | Adam Politzer | The major difference between Casp Marina and Edgewater is community members came forward on Casp Marina and said, we will do it. and we will find the money. Please do. We like what you're proposing, and we support you. And so we gave staff time to help them. But that's it. |
| 04:13:34.92 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:13:35.65 | Adam Politzer | Edgewater, same process, who wants to take it on? great ideas, but no money to support it and no ability to take it on. So it just sits And eventually... turns into central waterfront because there's no other ideas coming forward by either staff or the council to spend time on it. |
| 04:13:54.56 | Unknown | no and that's fine i just want to make sure that we it's decoupled from the bulkhead repair minutes |
| 04:14:03.34 | Unknown | OK, so again, looking to the city manager. Okay, we've gone through this list. There's two tentative items added, we've removed two, or it's removed to somewhere else. Now, is there more that we should be adding that has emerged from the commissions and uh... other boards and so on. Is there something we should be reviewing there before we continue to... DISCUSSION. |
| 04:14:42.37 | Adam Politzer | I'm not recommending that you do that. Okay. You have their lists. I've consulted with staff on from their list, what do you think that we can do now? What do you think should remain? So some of those items are on there. |
| 04:14:44.85 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:14:50.43 | John Kassar | You can do. |
| 04:14:50.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:14:56.92 | Adam Politzer | Some of those commissions, unlike the Planning Commission, but the other commissions, they will roll up their sleeves Not that the Planning Commission won't roll up their sleeves, but they have other – they other agenda items that are brought to them. that they don't have a whole lot of control where the Sustainability Commission or the Park and Rec Commission or even HLB have the ability to say we want to take on the work. and roll up their sleeve and do it. I wouldn't necessarily propose that you move items off of their list. Now, between now and May 27th, If a committee member or commission member or board member contacts you or sends in a letter or appears at your next meeting and says, Yeah, we can't believe that you didn't take this item and put it on your list. then you can consider adding it at that point in time and taking it off. So unless there is some real need to add something new, which I recommend against, Um... use this year as the transition, because we already know that, that we can't do all these items right now. So why add items on it unless there's something so urgent that we bring it forward? |
| 04:16:02.19 | Unknown | Yeah, I wanted to check what your expectations were on this, because I'm quite comfortable with this. |
| 04:16:02.20 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:16:08.09 | Unknown | Well, just to cover some things that were brought up, both from the public and whether you want to add those or not. So on Mary's department, which isn't here, by the way, is the omnibus zoning thing that Michael brought up that we have tabled a little bit from the legislative committee because we had to focus on the housing element stuff and other things. Do we want to put that omnibus zoning on Mary's plate? No, you don't want to do that. Because there are things we didn't finish. |
| 04:16:22.07 | Unknown | I'm... |
| 04:16:42.15 | Unknown | Jeremy's got it. |
| 04:16:44.02 | Unknown | Okay. You want to put it on Jeremy's plate then? Yeah, because we're |
| 04:16:46.40 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, because it's on Jeremy's plate now, and what Jeremy shared when he got up there, the reason why we called out some of those items was because we can't do everything that was identified in that process. Oh, there it is. Okay. I just didn't see that. |
| 04:16:47.90 | Unknown | It is. |
| 04:16:48.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:16:56.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:16:56.22 | Unknown | Oh, it's number one. |
| 04:16:57.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:16:57.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:17:02.65 | Unknown | Oh, there it is. It's not – okay. I just didn't see that. Sorry. And the tree work on the medians, whatever sections, does that see a capital improvement project list? |
| 04:17:05.01 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:17:16.86 | Unknown | That falls underneath the Saucy the Beautiful. |
| 04:17:19.19 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, what you heard earlier from the public was prioritizing which sections of the medians we may want to do first, depending on resources. Okay. |
| 04:17:34.75 | Unknown | So just to add one, it would be a suggestion to – when it was on the list, I don't think it made it last year. is the is I wasn't list just didn't make it above the line the shower facilities for the waterfront Um, and you can choose not to, to put it on there. I'm just bringing it up and the same thing for free parking for nine, nine, four, nine, six, five, um, Not meaning that, you know, like Mill Valley's RSVP program, if you live in the zip code, you can get a... |
| 04:18:11.92 | Adam Politzer | If I can comment on the free parking, that's something it just didn't make it onto any of these lists. That's something that we intend to bring forward for your council's consideration. again hopefully before the end of the um, Fiscal year, but definitely for the end of the calendar year. on the shower facilities, and we had a side conversation on this Council Leon and I that the challenge with that and the reason why it's not on the list is that when we were working with the Homeless Connect program and the work that the police department is doing, Jennifer the committee that Councilmember Theodorosan, Vice Mayor Theodorosan, These facilities have all types of health and strict regulations on it for protection. privacy and other health and safety issues. that At this moment, we don't think it's something that Sausalito should be taking on on our own. It should come from the county. |
| 04:19:13.74 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:19:14.00 | Adam Politzer | and if Sausalito is designated as a site that either the county or finds a nonprofit to operate, we would go that route. But for us to say that we're going to have a public shower outside of what's being proposed at Dumpy Park, which is basically your dog or your kid gets sandy. You have the ability to hose them off and jump in the car and go home. but a real public shower. which we've heard from some of our community members today. and in past meetings, that is under a whole different ballgame of regulations that we're not yet equipped to take on and to propose that. under this probably premature |
| 04:19:53.42 | Unknown | And by the way, that was discussed with Supervisor Sears. Thank you. |
| 04:19:59.18 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:19:59.57 | Unknown | because She wanted a place, and we said we could possibly find a place, but yet the people that are using it, would be from the counties. out there. So the responsibility for maintaining it and those regard and taking care of it when it should come from the county and not from us |
| 04:20:20.92 | Unknown | Okay. And the last question I have is the, you know, the, the Turning Street or the, yeah, Turning Street Dock. Where does that fall on these lists? |
| 04:20:28.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:20:28.15 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 04:20:31.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:20:31.83 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:20:34.03 | Adam Politzer | We're currently working on that. We're coming forward with a proposal to the budget process and the timeline. |
| 04:20:34.04 | Unknown | currently working. |
| 04:20:41.13 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 04:20:41.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:20:42.01 | Adam Politzer | All right. |
| 04:20:42.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:20:42.85 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:20:42.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:20:43.04 | Adam Politzer | Those are my questions. you It's on the next agenda. It's on the next item. |
| 04:20:47.85 | Unknown | This is a good idea. |
| 04:20:48.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:20:49.03 | Unknown | Thank you. I'm sorry. Thank you. |
| 04:20:49.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:20:49.91 | Unknown | It's a great day. just the light for the consent calendar. I just want to make sure it's on the- Maybe today we heard. |
| 04:20:54.56 | Adam Politzer | Maybe today we heard. |
| 04:20:57.75 | Unknown | Do you have anything else? Okay, so... I want to come back to item 25 and just ask, don't we have a bicycle pedestrian task force or committee. |
| 04:21:18.73 | Unknown | industrial |
| 04:21:23.77 | Unknown | What are we looking for beyond that? I thought that was our step immediately to get into it. |
| 04:21:29.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:21:29.83 | Unknown | you |
| 04:21:29.85 | Unknown | So, Mr. Mayor, because I put that item, bicycle mitigation and legislative strategy up there, just because we have a committee does not preclude this from being a priority for us as community leaders in South Salido. We've heard time and again from the community that issue is a big problem. and people want legislation. and having a bicycle mitigation and legislation strategy is imperative. Thank you. It's something that's a high priority, certainly, in the community. Thank you. |
| 04:22:09.22 | Unknown | So, like, |
| 04:22:10.03 | Unknown | would be what you hope to accomplish through this. I'm not saying it's not a good – yes, there's an issue with the bicep. MS. Well, okay. I would answer that. |
| 04:22:15.99 | Unknown | Well, okay, I would answer that. So what I would hope to accomplish is, for starters, looking at what other towns have done. For example, what type of legislation they have passed to manage large numbers of bicycles, whether it be – I know that we have, I believe, an existing ordinance already about bicycles not riding on the sidewalks. So how about enforcing that? And do we need to look at fines for that? And what about the issue with respect to the infrastructure hit and losing parking spaces downtown? Do we want to start charging bicycle parking fees? If we, you know, these types of questions, we need to take a holistic approach to this problem, and we need to start taking action on this problem, because it's just getting worse. |
| 04:23:12.36 | Unknown | It's just getting worse. But, I mean, we have a bicycle and pedestrian committee that was chartered by this organization. It's active. We have the Public Works Director and Captain Rohrabacher. I am the liaison. Council Member Weiner also attends, and we're working on all these things. We consider legislation. We consider the parking needs. We're looking at every aspect of this, and that's the entire charter of what this group does. They will be reporting to us on, I think we have them scheduled for June 10th, but certainly one of the next... So we've been tasked, this is important, We take it both on the staff and on the council level, we've taken it very seriously. So I'm not sure what a plan would do because we're working on all aspects of it. |
| 04:24:02.79 | Unknown | I think all due respect, I think that this issue is a public safety issue that's bigger than one committee. I think that having – certainly we've asked, like, the business advisory committee to weigh in. We have added a business advisory committee priority up there. There's no conflict there. If anything, putting something like this on a priority list reinforces to the committee our commitment as community leaders to this issue. |
| 04:24:31.95 | Unknown | So who would drive this plan? Where would the home be? Who would do this plan? |
| 04:24:38.04 | Unknown | Well, we could – well, I mean, the purpose is to ensure we have adequate city staff hours allocated. So if the bicycle committee were to go forward with working – collaborating with city staff on this, we have ensured that city staff has made that a priority. |
| 04:24:57.24 | Unknown | But, I mean, they have. They participate in this bicycle committee, and we have them actively involved in it. |
| 04:25:04.18 | Unknown | Yeah, I have seen nothing specifically from the Bicycle Committee that speaks to what I have in mind with this priority issue. And I think by specifically stating we're looking for a bicycle mitigation and legislation strategy that it's speaking to the issue of mitigation, in other words, the number of bicycles we have coming over, and how we can deal with safety issues through legislation. |
| 04:25:32.04 | Unknown | So you're saying that part of this plan is to reduce the number of bicycles that enter into Sausalito? |
| 04:25:38.28 | Unknown | I'm saying that part of the thing we need to look at is the number of bicycles that are coming into Sausalito. and the public safety issues that are that we're facing and what are some of the strategies that other towns have taken to mitigate that problem. |
| 04:25:55.16 | Unknown | And... We do that. I haven't seen, you know. |
| 04:25:57.62 | Unknown | I haven't seen, you know. I'll do respect. I disagree. I think the lack of action on this council is paupable. And I think if you look at downtown and you see the traffic – |
| 04:26:12.29 | Unknown | What are your specific suggestions? I still don't understand what you want. You're talking in these terms that are up here, but there's nothing down here. |
| 04:26:15.81 | Unknown | You're talking in these terms. Okay, well, no, there's a lot down here. Councilmember Leon, I'm saying a bicycle mitigation and legislation legislation strategy is a priority issue. that we decide that we need to take a look at strategies to mitigate and legislate bicycle traffic and congestion for public safety. |
| 04:26:42.32 | Unknown | And that's what the Bicycle and Pedestrian Committee is doing. |
| 04:26:45.95 | Unknown | I just, you know, I... |
| 04:26:47.45 | Unknown | Why don't you listen to when they give you the report on what they're doing about their ambassador program, on how they attempt to make sure that people aren't walking, riding on the sidewalks, and that will be done through an ambassadorship. And that committee is already working on that, and will make a report. I'll do with... |
| 04:27:09.80 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:27:10.03 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:27:10.15 | Unknown | I'll do this. Thank you. |
| 04:27:11.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:27:11.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:27:11.23 | Unknown | Could I just... |
| 04:27:11.97 | Unknown | You have no car? It's just words you're using. There's nothing that makes it a mitigation. What are you going to mitigate? |
| 04:27:21.32 | Unknown | the bicycle mass that we say that you had no way |
| 04:27:22.66 | Unknown | that we face every day. Well, if you had your way, you'd cut them down. You're saying it right there on the spot. Mitigate what? That you can't allow more than... |
| 04:27:31.23 | Unknown | Well, your focus is on bicycle parking. you |
| 04:27:33.91 | Unknown | No, it isn't at all. |
| 04:27:34.10 | Unknown | Oh, it is. I haven't seen any action with respect to enforcement of the existing ordinances that are already on the books. |
| 04:27:35.41 | Unknown | Bye. Well then, then look into the committee. on the books. MR. Right, but I think if I can interject here, let's just remember something The City Council added for the last priority calendar an item priority calendar item entitled bicycle congestion and mitigation and safety plan. In fact, I think you added it. Cancel my word. Thank you. |
| 04:28:06.85 | Unknown | . |
| 04:28:07.00 | Unknown | But for last year. |
| 04:28:07.20 | Unknown | I would be fine with that wording as well. It's the same thing. |
| 04:28:09.89 | Unknown | It's the same thing. MR. So that was three, number three on the priority list. After we voted on it, that was number three. Okay? So what did we do? We formed a bicycle. Committee. as to address that problem Okay, and in addition, the staff, Public Works and our Police Department in their budgets as part of what they've been doing as their day-to-day job, have been working and trying out various plans to mitigate some of the problems down in downtown. So... We're going to hear a report on the committee aspects of this. We've probably heard five reports in the last year since this priority item was adopted. Um, about bicycles. So how can you possibly say that actually this council has done nothing? |
| 04:29:10.45 | Unknown | Because, well, for starters, when I look at some of the strategies and the programs that are put forth, I don't hear legislation. like the legislation action we took with the tour buses because we needed to take decisive action. I don't see the things that need to take place. For example, talking with the bicycle companies about coming and picking up some of their bikes. When they presented to us two years ago, they actually said that they would be amenable to picking up some of their bikes. Did we ever do that? No. Well, I heard, oh, there were issues with this. Look, I know. |
| 04:29:48.91 | Unknown | You'd have to have a staging area. Yeah, I... |
| 04:29:50.06 | Unknown | Yeah, I, I, and I, and I... |
| 04:29:50.82 | Unknown | And from an environmental standpoint, it's worse to come and truck them out. |
| 04:29:52.83 | Unknown | And that has not been explored. That has not been explored. |
| 04:29:56.52 | Unknown | It's not going to solve any of the issues of traffic flow into the city. |
| 04:30:00.07 | Unknown | Could I just hold on and ask our city manager, the priority calendar item that was number three last year, in your sort of shuffling of the decks, where did this one end up? |
| 04:30:00.52 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:30:00.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:30:16.65 | Unknown | Yeah. MR. |
| 04:30:18.54 | Adam Politzer | I think you articulated exactly what we've done. And what I think where there could be a compromise is recognizing that the pet and bike committee, which there was a lot of discussion just on the, |
| 04:30:21.55 | Unknown | articulate. |
| 04:30:35.23 | Adam Politzer | makeup of how many pedestrians versus how many BICYCLE FOLKS AND THEN WHAT TYPE OF SUPPORT WE WERE GOING TO GET, NOT JUST FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO FROM PEOPLE LIKE THE FISCAL COALITION. and then inviting various groups in based on what the subject matter may be on. So I think it's best to hear reports from them because they have been working hard. They've been a very active committee. Staff has been very engaged. as our two council members that attend the meeting, So I think it's best because, one, there's no consensus right now. There's one council member advocating for it, and just by... the practice, it would be removed because there's not a consensus. where there is a consensus is that we took this item seriously the Bison Pet Committee is taking it seriously. Let's hear from them. and they're coming to a meeting So we're going to have a couple of questions. um, Obviously, this last meeting scrambled everything, so everything's a little bit up in the air. But they want to come to the council and give a presentation. At that time, you can change your priority calendar. say You guys are missing the mark. or you're right on the mark, we don't need to make it a priority calendar because it's an item that's now well on your way. It's staff. And it's similar to items that fall onto the department list so I As much as you guys would like to debate this item, it's not fruitful at this moment because there's not a consensus. And it's best to say let's listen to the bike and pet committee, give their report, and then you can pick up the discussion. |
| 04:32:05.99 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 04:32:06.00 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:32:06.26 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 04:32:12.64 | Unknown | Well, where I was trying to go was simply say, look, it was a priority calendar item. Where did it end up? |
| 04:32:18.17 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:32:19.22 | Unknown | I would propose this – It's ongoing. Yes, it's an ongoing problem, an issue, and we need to have our attention on it. So I would just suggest carrying over this language, putting it on the list to see where it falls out, the old language from the priority calendar, because it is – Well, I don't – This gets back to my point about signaling. We know this is a problem, and we know that we're taking actions, and it took a while just to form the committee because there was a lot of controversy who could be on the |
| 04:32:20.31 | Unknown | It's a good one. . |
| 04:32:33.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:33.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:33.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:33.37 | Unknown | No. |
| 04:32:33.46 | Unknown | This is what |
| 04:32:33.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:34.13 | Unknown | this gets |
| 04:32:45.27 | Adam Politzer | The committee is just one part of it. No, I know. The amount of energy that public works and police. Right. Public works and police. Meeting with all the folks involved, including both ferry companies, all the bicycle committees. |
| 04:32:47.23 | Unknown | No, I know. The amount of energy that public works and police and |
| 04:32:52.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:32:52.14 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:32:56.48 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:32:56.93 | Adam Politzer | actually physically making changes downtown to accommodate and be more efficient and effective in bringing our folks in and out. replacing and re redoing signs every year to put them in different languages to keep people off of sidewalks, the enforcement that the police department does with the bicycle coalition on various bike safety efforts on education, because it's not just the tour bike, IT'S ALSO THEIR PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. the recreational speed racers that go through town. or the clubs that go in groups of 30, you know, that we're also dealing with. So I think there's THE STAFF, THE STAFF HAVE MOVED THIS INTO different categories. Public works has a category of it and the police department has a category of it. And I think now the committee has a category of it which would include proposed legislation |
| 04:33:54.73 | Unknown | So does this fall – would you equate this essentially with the EPA order where it – when it started to be on the priority calendar, it was because this issue raised its immediacy and you had to deal with it at that moment in time. And it was not part of the way we did business before because the rules changed. The EPA said you've got to do these things. Is – can we – is it – it may not offer – I hope it offers some sense of we recognize the problem by saying this has become part of the police department, the public works, and now this new committee's just day-to-day responsibilities is dealing with bicycle traffic coming into town and constantly coming up with new suggestions. |
| 04:34:43.24 | Unknown | And all I've been trying to say is that just as you sort of fairly rigorously went through and took previous priority calendar items that were now staff things and put them on the staff list. and this should follow suit. So... |
| 04:35:00.73 | Unknown | And Mr. Mayor, if I could respond because I'm the person who put this on there. To me, when something goes on this priority calendar, it adds an emphasis. It's an exclamation point that we are focused on it, that we see this as a high priority. And so I think that it belongs up here. I think that I'm fine with using the prior language that was used, but, yeah, I think it needs to stay. |
| 04:35:35.56 | Unknown | We didn't have a committee that. Councilmember Kweifer really raises an interesting point. If we're going to have seven items, and we're doing this for emphasis, we could say, |
| 04:35:36.26 | Unknown | Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 04:35:44.23 | Unknown | Improve historic preservation. Have a, you know, improve police work. In... keep business moving. I'm getting a little tough. But if we're doing things that are emphasis, what we're trying to do here is find seven specific, if it's seven, whatever the number is. We're looking at a priority calendar of specific projects that we're doing. We are working on this. And I mean, it's very easy. And when we have this, we could all stick these things that are hot buttons that look really nice. But we're going to end up with things that aren't real projects. But we're emphasizing things that we're already doing. |
| 04:36:16.90 | Unknown | Okay. Okay. Okay, the spirit of my comment was that we need a project, a high priority project involving bike mitigation and legislation. And that was the intent of my comment. |
| 04:36:31.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:32.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:36:32.15 | Unknown | And I think we will have a robust conversation on that when the committee comes and gives its reports. |
| 04:36:37.67 | Unknown | Thank you. They don't give me answers. |
| 04:36:42.62 | Unknown | So, What was the language that was used earlier? Councilmember Leon? I've got it. I'm sorry, Councilmember Leon. I'm looking here and I can't find it. |
| 04:36:51.75 | Unknown | I've got it. |
| 04:36:55.88 | Unknown | Don't worry, I'll get it for you. |
| 04:37:02.19 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:37:04.78 | Unknown | It was bicycle, congestion mitigation, and safety plan. And I think that is... something that staff has been doing. So let's just put it on the stack. list. |
| 04:37:22.53 | Unknown | Just like the housing element. MR. Yeah. Just like the stuff that we're doing. We're a very high priority because we're working on it. |
| 04:37:27.98 | Unknown | Put it on a |
| 04:37:28.53 | Vince Majora | FRIENDS. |
| 04:37:28.97 | Unknown | What? Thank you. Yeah, I think, though, that that we need more time and more emphasis on this particular item. |
| 04:37:38.71 | Unknown | And that will come out following our robust conversation when the committee reports. |
| 04:37:44.31 | Unknown | When is the committee reporting? Is it the next council session? |
| 04:37:46.07 | Unknown | Oh. it's within a month or so. |
| 04:37:49.73 | Unknown | currently scheduled, I believe, for June 10th, although because of all the issues that have come up, it could possibly get moved. But we're scheduled on June 10th right now. |
| 04:37:58.74 | Unknown | So if it's on June 10th, is that going to be while we are still in the process of the priority calendar setting? So it would not be too late to to add that. |
| 04:38:10.23 | Adam Politzer | At the end of the day, it's never too late. You can, in the middle of the winter, decide that we want to review the priority calendar items because new items have come forward. that I want to go back to We're at midnight. and The process in the past, we've been trying to have the priority calendar as its only item on the agenda. And we're now overlapping with the budget process that's about to initiate. We have an appeal that's coming forward, an appeal even with the ones that have no one in the audience opposing it take an hour. Um, Yeah, and we know that the appeal that's coming forward is going to be more than an hour. So as much as we would like to tell the Bison Ped Committee come forth on June 10th. based on whatever else is in front of it, unless you folks want to meet after midnight, that's, it may not happen. |
| 04:39:01.25 | Unknown | So... So Adam, just to clarify, my question was this priority setting calendar process, the next phase we have a collective ranking, and I wanted to ensure that the bicycle |
| 04:39:02.44 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:39:16.42 | Adam Politzer | one more time. |
| 04:39:17.38 | Unknown | Well, okay, we do the prioritization. And I wanted to ensure that the Bicycle Committee was going to meet |
| 04:39:18.64 | Adam Politzer | We do the podcast. |
| 04:39:25.46 | Unknown | prior to my prioritization because obviously, And we're seeing a lot of things that are going to happen. then it's not a great concern. But if you're saying that this process is going to be over by the time that happens, then I would like it on this list. |
| 04:39:55.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:55.45 | Unknown | Okay. Well, I think we'll make some decisions there. |
| 04:39:55.50 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:39:55.99 | Unknown | I move to place the bicycle mitigation and legislation strategy plan on the priority list. |
| 04:40:05.81 | Unknown | The way we've done it is consensus in the past for this particular exercise, rather than individual vote. |
| 04:40:14.42 | Unknown | Well, there's a motion and no second, so thank you. |
| 04:40:20.95 | Unknown | Okay, we have... a list of 23 items. |
| 04:40:34.97 | Unknown | OK. We have still our list of staff projects, which is really important. Do you have enough now to move on to the next stage of the priority calendar? And so we can end tonight's discussion on this? Thank you. |
| 04:40:54.16 | Adam Politzer | Yes, absolutely. Okay. Thank you. |
| 04:40:54.21 | Unknown | Yes, absolutely. Okay. Thank you. In that case... Right at the stroke of midnight. Right at the stroke of midnight. Okay. So, you know, I'm... |
| 04:40:56.54 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 04:40:57.65 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:40:57.78 | Unknown | Wait a minute. will commit. |
| 04:41:05.87 | Unknown | would be quite happy to go home. But we decided to move something off the consent calendar. And we said we'd hear it. And I'm, in my opinion, we should stay here and hear it. |
| 04:41:19.38 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:41:19.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:19.71 | Unknown | So this is authorised submittal of a permit application for improvements to the tourney boat, ramp, gangway, and public, Dr. Jonathan Gold. |
| 04:41:19.91 | Unknown | So... |
| 04:41:20.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:20.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:24.82 | Charlie Francis | . |
| 04:41:24.87 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:41:25.10 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 04:41:31.45 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:41:31.47 | Unknown | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. |
| 04:41:32.97 | Jonathon Goldman | members of council, staff, and the audience at home. The staff report pretty much speaks for itself, and I didn't prepare a PowerPoint. The short version of this is that, as council may recall, members of our community identified a public health and safety issue with access to shore. SHORE COMMUNITY IDENTIFIED A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE WITH ACCESS TO SHORE THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER ASKED THE STAFF TO ADDRESS. AND DURING THE COURSE OF THE Um, The process of addressing that issue, the Conservation and Development Commission, who had been aware of the mooring of the SS Sally Stanford to the city's dinghy dock, issued an enforcement notice, a warning to both the owners of that vessel, which is a registered vessel registered and to the city letting us know that moreing of that vessel for the purpose that the city had allowed it to be more for required |
| 04:42:34.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:34.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:34.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:34.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:42:58.59 | Jonathon Goldman | Since that time, the Sallie Stanford has been unmoored and is somewhere else other than moored to the dinghy dock. As I indicated in the staff report, we pursued two kind of parallel paths of attempting to address the public interests associated with this issue. One was to request a proposal for characterization of dredge materials or sediments underneath the existing dinghy dock with the objective being to see if we could perform a much smaller volume of a dredging project and restore the access to that even at low tides and then the safe transition from and restore the access to that dock even at low tides, and then the safe transition from a level dock floating in the water onto shore using the existing gangway. The other alternative that we pursued in the form of soliciting a proposal from W.B. Klaus Instructural Engineers for was to look at moving the dinghy dock further offshore, acquiring an 80-foot-long gangway which would provide access to the dock for persons in wheelchairs that complies with the current code for access when compared with the existing gangway, which does not. And by moving the dinghy dock, the city's existing float further offshore would eliminate the need for dredging in order to keep it floating in the water at all times water based on the information that costs has provided based on the fact that the south stafford is apparently no longer available for this purpose staff is asking for councils permission to for permit to make permanent improvements to the big those that i mentioned since we're going through that process, I wanted to recommend some other components to be added to that application, the first being the addition of a third piling, so that in the event that the community demonstrates to the council's satisfaction that there's actually the need for more tie-up space than what the existing dinghy dock provides. We will already have a piling in place that would allow us to tie something else up there, acquire another float and add it or something like that. |
| 04:44:28.89 | Unknown | like, |
| 04:45:05.68 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:45:38.96 | Jonathon Goldman | and then secondly the opportunity to makes improvements to the boat on trip itself because as it stands now it's not possible to back a vehicle and a trailer far enough out into the water to, to launch a boat. So, uh, improving the, um, the bearing capacity and the traction associated with the lower tide exposed portions of that ramp would allow boats to be launched and recovered in any tide situation. And then finally, Claussen's suggestion was to consider adding a hinged floating section to the outer part of the dock. Um... As you may know from having been there, the dock that we own now has about 18 inches of freeboard on it, meaning that it floats 18 inches above the water's surface. So if a person is attempting to launch a kayak, for example, they have a pretty significant step off to get into and out of the kayak. |
| 04:46:31.81 | Unknown | for you. |
| 04:46:45.56 | Unknown | to another. |
| 04:46:47.11 | Jonathon Goldman | a person in a wheelchair who might be trying to transfer into a kayak or some other vessel would have a much more difficult time than if they had the opportunity to simply |
| 04:46:51.45 | Unknown | Thank you. So. Thank you. |
| 04:46:57.78 | Jonathon Goldman | get into the kayak and slide down a ramp. So Claussen recommended that we look at something like that. So the request is for council's permission to apply for a permit to make those improvements. We have some idea what some of those improvements would cost based on Claussen's experience, but don't have firm quotes from anybody at this point. Because the BCDC identified May 15th as the date certain on which there was a requirement that a permit be applied for, I thought it was prudent to bring this item to council tonight. So I'm available to answer questions, and we'll try to remain coherent. |
| 04:47:43.46 | Unknown | Yeah, I have one question. By this action tonight, we're not appropriating funds, right? We're not actually – you're not actually asking for money. You'll be coming back to council to do that with all the various things. This is simply to get the BCDC permit, right? Thank you. |
| 04:48:03.27 | Jonathon Goldman | to apply for this. |
| 04:48:03.96 | Unknown | Right. Okay. Okay. Council Member Fyferm. |
| 04:48:04.18 | Jonathon Goldman | Right. |
| 04:48:08.10 | Unknown | Yes. So this doc, wouldn't this be a change in capacity, and wouldn't that trigger |
| 04:48:16.13 | Jonathon Goldman | it would not be a change in capacity CEQA is in a way always triggered, but because it would not be a change in use or a change in capacity, I believe that it would be exempt. But the action of applying for a permit is not a CEQA action. |
| 04:48:38.37 | Unknown | We're putting an 80-foot, you said, dock out into the bay? What? |
| 04:48:43.64 | Jonathon Goldman | No. Thank you. |
| 04:48:45.24 | Unknown | Gangway. Yeah. |
| 04:48:46.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:48:46.76 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:48:46.83 | Unknown | and that doesn't trigger a change in capacity. |
| 04:48:50.86 | Jonathon Goldman | No. its access to an existing |
| 04:48:55.53 | Unknown | So, It's my understanding we're actually primarily doing this for the Anchor Out community. And |
| 04:49:07.88 | Unknown | And my question is that historically, that population has been roughly around 40 to 60 And in recent years, that population has pretty much exploded because other towns have closed down their anchorages. and I guess I'm concerned about the impact on the environment and the Bay fill as a result of you know, all of the boats in that area. So what is the population today approximately in the bay? |
| 04:49:39.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:49:39.76 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:49:39.78 | Unknown | Sorry. |
| 04:49:40.49 | Adam Politzer | Can I answer that? Not to suggest that this isn't online of questioning, and I'm sure our chief would love to share with you all that information because that's what her and the county and RBRA have been working on for a few years now. But... The real question is, do you want to have access two. and from the water, at the turning street And if the answer is yes, then it's got to be accessible. regardless to who the population is. And what. Jonathan has mentioned, Not only do we have to apply for the permit to make that accessible. But we also have other improvements that are required for people to lower their boats from their trailers into there, which, have also deteriorated. So the real question is, Do we need public access to and from the water at Tourney Street? And if so, then we're required to make it accessible by law. |
| 04:50:38.42 | Unknown | My concern has to do with the scope of this project, because if it was just enhancing access for people with trailers lowering boats, then it would be one thing. But it's very clear that the scope of this project is is for the anchor out community, which has exploded in the bay, to be able to gain greater access to shore. |
| 04:51:01.47 | Adam Politzer | I'm suggesting that regardless if it's someone that's putting their boat into the water, and wants to use the float, which is what they do. They tie it up to the float. They go park their trailer. They come down the float, and they get onto their boat. If they're coming down on a wheelchair or not, we're required by law to make that access to their boat accessible. And it is absolutely true, we are also responding |
| 04:51:23.56 | Unknown | And. |
| 04:51:27.64 | Adam Politzer | to our community members that live on the water that right now during low tide have no access. So the question is if you want to provide access for anybody, it's gotta be accessible. |
| 04:51:39.85 | Unknown | So my concern is that we are establishing infrastructure at taxpayer cost to accommodate an exploding population in the Bay, which should be – my understanding is illegal And I support, I mean, I'm fine with an anchorage. I mean, historically, we've always had an anchorage, but we the population that we're seeing out there these days. |
| 04:52:08.24 | Adam Politzer | But it's not related. It is related. |
| 04:52:10.51 | Unknown | It is related, Adam. |
| 04:52:11.92 | Adam Politzer | You're... making an opinion on what the use is for and the number of people that can use it I'm telling you it's quite simple. If you want to have access to this shore, from the water and vice versa Whatever is built there whatever is there now will have to be rebuilt. period, if you're going to provide that access. By law, our town has to be made accessible. Barriers that are there now which exist – we all know they exist at that location – will have to be addressed. And so the council has given direction. The council gave direction to come forward with temporary solution which the Sally Stanford was providing. and move towards permanent solution, which is what your public works director has done. If the council has different directions, then we're all here. |
| 04:53:04.22 | Unknown | The council majority gave that direction. So, um... |
| 04:53:07.60 | Unknown | So, Councilmember Pfeiffer, do you have any further questions of the public work structure? |
| 04:53:14.33 | Unknown | No, those are my questions, and I do not support this project. |
| 04:53:17.18 | Unknown | Okay. Okay. Do you want to make any other comment? You've got three minutes. |
| 04:53:25.16 | Unknown | Sure, I would move to not authorized staff to seek San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission approval of a permit to improve the trainee boat ramp gangway and public dingy dock for the anchor outs, for the exploding anchor out community population. |
| 04:53:49.11 | Unknown | Okay. Is there a second for that motion? Okay. Could we have a motion to approve this? |
| 04:53:57.95 | Unknown | uh... i'll make motion to Thank you for approving this. Thank you. to authorize staff to seek |
| 04:54:04.77 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:54:04.80 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:54:05.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:54:07.23 | Unknown | Ha! |
| 04:54:07.72 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, I know that your audience has dwindled, but you just need to. |
| 04:54:12.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:54:12.40 | Unknown | I see no thank you City Attorney. I don't see any members of the public so I'm assuming there will be no public comment. |
| 04:54:13.27 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Uh... Yeah. |
| 04:54:25.76 | Unknown | Yes. Thank you. |
| 04:54:25.78 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:54:26.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:54:27.01 | Unknown | Right. So given that this is the only access to the bay in Sausalito now for the public to launch any sort of without paying, this is the only public access left. I move to author a staff to seek San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission approval of a permit to improve the tourney boat ramp gangway and public dinghy dock to better provide for public access to shore from Richardson's Bay. |
| 04:54:27.04 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:54:54.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:54:54.80 | Unknown | And I'll second that. Okay, all in favor? Aye. Opposed? No. That motion carries 4-1. |
| 04:54:59.27 | Vince Majora | I know. |
| 04:55:00.96 | Unknown | No. |
| 04:55:01.03 | Unknown | No. |
| 04:55:01.26 | Vince Majora | Bye. |
| 04:55:08.05 | Unknown | That's all right. Okay. Let's quickly move through the rest. Adam, do you have anything? City Council? No. I see no member of the public, so we'll move on to 7B. Council Member Committee reports. One day when we can try and finish at a reasonable hour, I would like to actually hear some. I've got some to give, but not tonight. |
| 04:55:29.08 | Unknown | I should have read. I would like. |
| 04:55:37.53 | Unknown | and seeing no public Members here, there will be no public comment. Future agenda items. Is there anybody who needs to... |
| 04:55:50.17 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, I do. I have a couple. One is a topic I've raised since 2008, actually, which is it kind of dovetails to what we were talking about tonight with priorities, which is performance objectives for the city manager. And it's something that I think we need clarity in terms of the results that we're looking for and businesses set performance objectives, and I think it makes a lot of sense. The other future agenda item I have is Marin City has been designated a PDA, a Priority Development Area, under Plan Bay Area. This will impact Sausalito because of traffic congestion. We have had no transparency on this item. And, in fact, I think there are a lot of people in Marin City who don't know about it yet either. And I think it's time we put it on our calendar and gave it some sunshine. |
| 04:56:54.43 | Unknown | outside of our jurisdiction. |
| 04:56:56.86 | Unknown | It impacts us. Council Member Leon, I know you said that it was outside of our jurisdiction, and you're correct, but it impacts us. It impacts Sausalito because of the traffic. They're our neighbors. |
| 04:57:08.35 | Unknown | Does anybody else have any agenda items they'd like the agenda committee to consider? No, I see. No, nobody here, so there certainly won't be any public comment. Okay. Mayor's appointment to, as for an alternate to TAM, currently Councilmember Weiner is our representative to TAM. We need to an alternate for this, and I'm appointing Vice Mayor Theodores to that as the alternate. Is there any public comment on this? Seeing none, I move for adjournment. |
| 04:57:57.61 | Herb Weiner | Let's go. |
Bonnie Johnson — Against: Expressed safety concerns about bicycles on sidewalks, citing personal incidents and urging the council to address the issue. ▶ 📄
Steve — Neutral: Asked for an update on housing element discussions with HCD, specifically regarding potential changes and removal of VMU/HMU overlays. ▶ 📄
Sonya Hanson — Against: Criticized the housing element's mixed-use overlays as high-impact, warning they would lead to excessive density, loss of commercial space, and increased greenhouse gases, contrary to council campaign promises. ▶ 📄
Mr. Pennington — In Favor: Advocated for ADA compliance in the planned dock, sharing personal challenges as a disabled individual living on a vessel and offering to collaborate with the city. ▶ 📄