| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:00:53.69 | Unknown | Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:00:57.96 | Vicki Nichols | These guys can have a nice... you |
| 00:01:00.16 | Mayor Withey | Right. |
| 00:01:00.49 | Vicki Nichols | you |
| 00:01:02.70 | Mayor Withey | Are we ready? Okay, good evening, and welcome to the regular City Council meeting for July 8, 2014. Debbie, would you call the roll, please? |
| 00:01:19.11 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Councilmember Weiner? Present. Councilmember Leon? Here. Vice Mayor Theodorus? |
| 00:01:21.76 | Mayor Withey | President, Here? |
| 00:01:25.69 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 00:01:25.74 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Thank you. Mayor Withey. |
| 00:01:28.08 | Mayor Withey | here. Let's see. Vicki Nichols, would you lead us in the pledge tonight? |
| 00:01:41.03 | Vicki Nichols | to the flag of the United States of America. and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:01:49.16 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:01:54.22 | Mayor Withey | Thank you, Vicky. |
| 00:01:59.35 | Mayor Withey | There were three items discussed in closed session. One, a conference with legal counsel and two negotiations on real property matters. Is there any member of the public who would like to make any comment on these closed session items? Okay, seeing none. The glasses would help. Can we have approval of the agenda, please? So moved. |
| 00:02:33.47 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Second. |
| 00:02:34.56 | Mayor Withey | All in favor? Aye. Motion carries. There are no special presentations this evening. Communications, this is the time for the City Council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. And as you know, except in very limited situations, state law precludes the Council from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning these matters. Is there any member of the public who would like to talk on any item? Sir, not on the agenda. |
| 00:02:35.77 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Bye. |
| 00:03:10.18 | Luke Tessier | Hello, my name is Luke Tessier. I'm a resident of Tam Valley. I'm also safety co-chair for the Mt. Tam Task Force. I'm also co-chair for math and for analysis and communications. |
| 00:03:21.69 | Adam Politzer | analysis. |
| 00:03:24.98 | Luke Tessier | I wanted to thank you, Sausalito, for getting the ball rolling with your ordinance on commercial bus tours throughout the city. The county is now working on a similar ordinance that mimics some of your provisions and goes further. SEVERAL COMMUNITIES ARE PROVIDING INPUT TO THIS ISSUE. Mere Beach and Town Valley, for example, commercial buses will be prohibited entirely except on Highway 1 and major throughfare routes, but will be prohibited from residential roads. By the way, the county is looking to have input by the 22nd on the countywide bus ordinance. Also, at the June 18th meeting that took place in Tam Valley, with the National Park Service presenting its plans for Muir Woods There was a standing room only crowd The short summary of the meeting, because we only have a few minutes, is that many of the residents from many communities came away from that presentation extremely unsatisfied. unsatisfied because they did not receive the information they're looking for. There's a true dearth of information from the National Park Service. in fact to the point where At the request of Kate Sears, Mount Tam task force met with and help fill in the details for the Department of Public Works for the County of Marin. We met with their personnel for two hours and helped them Understand the numbers. impacts and consequences of the Park Service recommendations. I have the same problem that you have with glasses. because the DPW has not received sufficient information. In fact, the comment was from them that they received Almost nothing from the Park Service. So if you would like to please ask us and we can help fill in some of the details and share the information we have for your staff also. One key aspect to put the issue in perspective is that of the 145 legal spots, 90% will be booked in advance. In some cases, six to nine months in advance. That translates to only 15 spots for lucky people in the entire Bay Area of several million people who would like to attend near woods on short notice. |
| 00:06:11.97 | Luke Tessier | And I just had one question to close. I was just curious to see who was able to attend the June 18th meeting in Tam Valley. Was anyone able to? So thank you, sir. |
| 00:06:22.67 | Mayor Withey | Thank you, sir. Thank you. Is there any other member of the public who would like to make a comment on any item not on the agenda? Okay, seeing none, let's move on. We have action minutes of the previous meetings. We have three. Let's start with our June 10, 2014 meeting. |
| 00:06:37.30 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:06:47.02 | Mayor Withey | Either a motion to approve as submitted or any changes, corrections as for. |
| 00:06:51.78 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I do have one quick addition on page 6 of 7 Item 3-8, line 33. |
| 00:07:03.64 | Unknown | Which minutes? The minutes of June 10th. |
| 00:07:05.28 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | The minutes of June 10th. |
| 00:07:08.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:09.11 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Page 6 of 7, item 3A, line 33. This was when I asked for not only the Marin City PDA be placed on a future agenda, but also the GGNRA with respects to the proposed Muir Woods Plan. So this is just what Mr. Tessier was just explaining to us in open comments. So if on line 33 we could just ask, just add impacts that GGNRA will be having on Sausalito with respects to traffic congestion, via the proposed Muir Woods Plan. |
| 00:07:54.91 | Unknown | Is this the future agenda? Yes, yes. |
| 00:07:57.58 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, yes, it was during future agenda items on June 10th. |
| 00:08:03.18 | Unknown | But they're both in there. |
| 00:08:05.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | GGNRA will be having on Sausalito. There's no mention of the Muir Woods plan, which was the, the, So you want to add the information? |
| 00:08:13.24 | Unknown | You want to add the impacts at the Muir Woods? I said, |
| 00:08:15.65 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I said with, I would like to add, I'll repeat it, with respects to traffic congestion via the proposed Muir Woods Plan. |
| 00:08:26.90 | Mayor Withey | This was a suggestion for a future agenda item. I personally have no problem with that change. |
| 00:08:32.54 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Yeah, I would like to say that we kind of agreed. I have no problem with the change either, but we've agreed as a council that these are action minutes and we're going to try to wordsmith everything. It makes no difference because this is a request for a future agenda item. We didn't make any decision, but I have no problem with the language. |
| 00:08:40.09 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:08:40.30 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:08:44.35 | Unknown | Exactly. |
| 00:08:44.86 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:08:50.08 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, all due respect, this is about accuracy. It doesn't even mention the Muir Woods plan. And that was my future agenda item. Thank you. |
| 00:08:56.88 | Unknown | why don't we just Make it so that the Muir plan proposed by the GGNRA would be having on Sausalito. |
| 00:09:03.79 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | That's fine too. |
| 00:09:04.57 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. But again, it was her request, and we're making the minutes, and then we have to decide on it. That's fine. |
| 00:09:05.89 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'm not. |
| 00:09:06.29 | Unknown | with you. That's right. |
| 00:09:07.96 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:09:08.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:09.72 | Mayor Withey | That's fine. Okay. Okay. So with that correction, do I have a motion? |
| 00:09:10.83 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:09:10.91 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. you |
| 00:09:13.90 | Unknown | Thank you. Did you? Yes. And you've got that. The boss, don't we? Got it. |
| 00:09:17.12 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:09:17.16 | Mayor Withey | and you've got |
| 00:09:17.77 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. We know that. Second. |
| 00:09:19.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:09:19.96 | Mayor Withey | Second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Meeting of June 17th. |
| 00:09:22.15 | Vicki Nichols | Bye. |
| 00:09:22.46 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 00:09:26.59 | Mayor Withey | Anybody got any comments? If not, let's have a motion to approve. Move to approve. |
| 00:09:30.49 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor I do have one edit it should say on page five of five line two and |
| 00:09:32.67 | Mayor Withey | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:09:38.27 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Councilmember Pfeiffer noted she wanted to hear specifically on the potential Marin City PDA. They've omitted Marin City. And I want to make it specific because I did say Marin City PDA. |
| 00:09:51.47 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. |
| 00:09:54.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | All right, one more time. Page 505, line 2. June 17th. |
| 00:10:00.02 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | MR. Okay, Marine City, that's correct. |
| 00:10:01.61 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Councilmember Pfeiffer noted that she wanted to hear specifically on the potential Marin City PDA. And PDA is priority development area, you know, where Plan Barea will be building 80% of all development in high density housing and it impacts Sausalito. |
| 00:10:12.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:12.17 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Plan B area will be building 80 percent of our Bye. I mean, we could add that, but it says above it noted that the MRED City PDA report on MRED City in general would be coming forward, and you noted that you specifically wanted to go on the PDA. |
| 00:10:29.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I know that it says that, but I specifically said the Marin City PDA, and I would like to add that for clarity. |
| 00:10:37.35 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:10:37.89 | Unknown | That's right. Why don't you put on the potential specifically here, because that sentence is a little unclear anyway. So why don't we say, comment number five, her notice she wanted to hear specifically about the Marin City PDA. Does that get where you want to go? |
| 00:10:52.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Actually, the city clerk was correct in saying I used the word potential Marin City PDA. That's the official designation, although everybody knows it's already a PDA. |
| 00:10:52.35 | Unknown | Actually, the city. |
| 00:10:58.51 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:11:03.22 | Unknown | on the potential Marin City PDO. |
| 00:11:05.23 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Everything is fine, just add the adjective Marin City in front of people. |
| 00:11:09.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:09.12 | Mayor Withey | Everybody OK with this? Yes. Yeah, sure. You've got that, Debbie? |
| 00:11:11.71 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:11:13.82 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Okay. Okay, so all in favor with that change? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, next, June 24th. |
| 00:11:19.40 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | I... |
| 00:11:19.87 | Adam Politzer | I know. |
| 00:11:19.94 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Bye. |
| 00:11:20.01 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:11:20.03 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Bye. |
| 00:11:20.16 | Adam Politzer | Right. |
| 00:11:26.91 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Thank you, Mayor Withey. I have one correction on that set myself. Line, excuse me, page 5 of 6, line 33. 33. We had a clause missing. It should read, Council Member Leon accepted the amendment of Vice Mayor Theodorus. He did not accept the amendment of Council Member Pfeiffer. |
| 00:11:56.09 | Mayor Withey | when you say that. Yeah, I'm not tracking with you, Debbie. Sorry. |
| 00:11:59.99 | Debbie (City Clerk) | I understand. What it was, it was a dangling clause. It never responded back to Council Member Pfeiffer's amendment. So that had been left. |
| 00:12:00.44 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:12:12.07 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I noticed that, thank you. Nothing there. |
| 00:12:12.74 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Thank you. Nothing there. |
| 00:12:14.38 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | There was a motion and then I made a friendly amendment, Councilman Pfeiffer made a friendly amendment and Councilmember Leon accepted my friendly amendment but not Councilmember Pfeiffer's and the City Clerk wants to clarify that. |
| 00:12:18.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:12:18.50 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 00:12:18.51 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:12:27.68 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:12:27.90 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Good. |
| 00:12:28.03 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | This is regarding the potential homeless shelters at Spencer and PG&E sites in the |
| 00:12:28.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:12:34.48 | Mayor Withey | Yes, I think we know what it is. We're just trying to get there. Yeah. Okay. |
| 00:12:39.19 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah. So thank you, Debbie. I noticed that too. |
| 00:12:42.00 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:12:42.02 | Unknown | Because of the the, you're worried about the the. You can just say, Council Member Leon accepted Vice Mayor Theodores' amendment. |
| 00:12:50.70 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | but, |
| 00:12:51.24 | Debbie (City Clerk) | and we need to respond to the lack of for not moving forward. |
| 00:12:54.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:12:54.32 | Mayor Withey | Oh, okay. |
| 00:12:55.55 | Unknown | Bye. Thank you. |
| 00:12:55.98 | Mayor Withey | moving forward. Right. Okay. Okay. With that change, is there any other changes requested? No? Let's have a motion to approve them with that change. |
| 00:12:56.65 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Right. |
| 00:12:57.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:04.18 | Mayor Withey | So moved. |
| 00:13:05.16 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 00:13:05.17 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:13:05.26 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Second. |
| 00:13:06.12 | Mayor Withey | Well, I'm going to go. |
| 00:13:06.24 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | of the |
| 00:13:06.41 | Mayor Withey | Perfect. |
| 00:13:06.49 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:13:06.68 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:13:06.69 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 00:13:06.71 | Mayor Withey | I'm not sure. |
| 00:13:07.00 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Bye. |
| 00:13:07.03 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:13:07.15 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 00:13:09.97 | Mayor Withey | Okay, next consent calendar, and we have a motion to approve the consent calendar. No, are there any questions before I open this for public comment? |
| 00:13:22.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:30.01 | Mayor Withey | So is there any member of the public who would like to comment on any item on the consent calendar? Seeing none, closed public comment. Could I have a motion to approve the consent calendar? So moved. Is there a second? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay. We are now on item number five, public hearings. Item 5A on the appeal filed by Gerald Cunningham and Amy Wilson for the project 206 Third Street. Unfortunately, due to conflicts, Council Member Leone and Council Member Weiner have to recuse himself because they live within 500 feet of the residence. And so we'll come find you. |
| 00:14:17.20 | Unknown | $5. |
| 00:14:22.23 | Unknown | Come find you. I have no conflicts with these individuals. Right. I do live with the time. Right. |
| 00:14:25.06 | Mayor Withey | FRIGHT. RIGHT. |
| 00:14:33.84 | Mayor Withey | And it's over to Raphael. Good evening. |
| 00:14:37.18 | Rafael (Staff) | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the audience. This next item is an appeal of a project at 206 Third Street. |
| 00:14:47.00 | Rafael (Staff) | Planning Commission originally approved the design review permit for a demolition of the existing 1,227 square foot, two-story single-family residence at 206 3rd Street in the construction of a 1,941 square foot, two-story single-family residence in its place. And it would also consist of a one-car garage and one uncovered parking space. And also it was approved a tree removal permit to remove a 32-inch canary island day palm from the rear yard. |
| 00:15:18.89 | Rafael (Staff) | On March 21st of 2014, property owners of 208 Third Street appealed the project. At May 27th, the City Council voted 3-0 to uphold the appeal and deny the project. June 10, 2014, the City Council voted 3-0 to reconsider its action taken on May 17. |
| 00:15:41.07 | Rafael (Staff) | Issues that came up at the May 27, 2014 meeting and which are the subject of the science discussion consisted of these three main topics which were privacy and view impacts, neighborhood character, and geotechnical and soils conditions. |
| 00:16:00.05 | Rafael (Staff) | The design review permit findings were made as far as privacy is concerned. The finding I was made by the Planning Commission and finding I reads as such, the project provides a reasonable level of privacy to the site and adjacent properties, taking into consideration the density of the neighborhood by appropriate landscaping, fencing, and window and deck and patio configurations. The project provides a reasonable level of privacy by providing a minimal amount of windows on the north elevation, most of which are clear story windows as well as providing a screen on the lower rear patio deck. Sorry, the rear patio. |
| 00:16:45.98 | Rafael (Staff) | And for finding D, speaks to views as it reads, the proposed project has been located and designed to minimize obstruction of public views and primary views from private property. And that the project was designed to minimize these views that are impacted the views. The roof at the front of the house is two feet lower than the existing residence. With the palm tree removed in the backyard, it would expand upon some existing views. And the project also maintains views from neighboring properties as much as possible. Those of the planning commission found that the project was consistent with that finding. And in addition, new story polls were installed and account for the rear deck to consider the impacts that the deck would impose on the neighboring properties. As far as neighborhood character is concerned, Planning Commission had to make a finding here. The proposed architecture and site design complements the surrounding neighborhood and or district by either maintaining the prevailing design character of the neighborhood and or district or introducing a distinctive and creative solution which takes advantage of the unique site characteristics of the site and contributes to the design diversity of Sausalito. |
| 00:17:45.72 | Adam Politzer | I'm sorry. |
| 00:18:07.40 | Rafael (Staff) | And the Planning Commission found that the project was consistent with finding B, since the project's curved roof allowed for some existing views to be increased or preserved, and the design provided a diversity and interest along the streetscape that would contribute to the design diversity of Sausalito and the Old Town neighborhoods. |
| 00:18:29.60 | Rafael (Staff) | As far as geotechnical and soils conditions were concerned, concerns were raised regarding effective excavation on adjacent properties and the drainage underneath the site and post completion of the project site, how the site would drain after the project was completed. The Planning Commission approved the following condition, which was included by the Public Works Department after their review and approval of the submitted geotechnical report. The condition reads, geotechnical engineering, foundation design, shoring design. A geotechnical report shall be prepared by a licensed geotechnical engineer. The report shall evaluate groundwater and develop recommendations for adequate structural foundations on site. Parking lot pavement structure sub-drainage to collect and convey groundwater discharges to public drain systems. The report shall also evaluate and make recommendations as necessary to manage and control soil creep as unusual findings with regard to top expansive soils. The report shall be evaluated and approved by the engineering staff prior to issues of the building permits. For drains, the city engineer recommends a condition of approval number 29 be amended to read. The drain pipes and their discharge locations shall be shown on the drain plans. Drain shall discharge to the public right-of-way, a formal drain easement or on-site as determined by the city engineer. |
| 00:20:02.96 | Rafael (Staff) | This shows some of the late mail that was received. Actually one of these was included with the staff report, so five of these are at your desk, your dais tonight. The letter of Riley Heard, a letter from Amy Wilson, an email from Jeff Paravano. supplemental structural assessment from Ware and Andrewson Associates, as well as the email from Michael Heacock. |
| 00:20:32.14 | Rafael (Staff) | And the options that are available to the City Council tonight, remand the project back to the Planning Commission for reconsider of specific items. Or the Council can uphold the appeal and deny the project. Or the Council can deny the appeal and uphold the Planning Commission decision to approve the project. With that, the rest of my presentation and staff is available for any comments or questions you may have. |
| 00:20:56.81 | Mayor Withey | Thank you, Raphael. |
| 00:21:01.40 | Mayor Withey | Okay, do we have any questions specifically of Rafael or the staff before we begin the presentations from each side of this? Okay. I have no questions at this time. Council Member Pfeiffer, are you okay? Okay. Mary, remind us of the procedures, please. |
| 00:21:30.77 | Mary Wagner | Ten minutes for the applicant, ten minutes for the appellant, and then they each have other public comment, and then they each have five minutes to rebut. And typically you take them in the order of the applicant and then the appellant. |
| 00:21:48.82 | Mayor Withey | Okay. And really it's their team that has 10 minutes. Correct. So they can have multiple people present, but it's got to occur in 10 minutes. |
| 00:21:54.26 | Mary Wagner | Correct. |
| 00:22:00.20 | Mary Wagner | Ten minutes at the front end and five on the back end. |
| 00:22:02.74 | Mayor Withey | Bye. the back end. Okay, so in that case, we will... have the |
| 00:22:14.39 | Riley Hurd | Before I begin, can you load our presentation? Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:22:18.25 | Unknown | you |
| 00:22:20.62 | Mayor Withey | We should, I realize, disclose any ex-party communications. That was first on agenda. Let me start by saying I've had no additional conversations other than the ones that I disclosed when we first heard this hearing. |
| 00:22:36.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And I exchanged some correspondence with the I also talked to the lawyer for 206, Riley Hurd. |
| 00:22:55.19 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I have had none other than since our last disclosure. |
| 00:22:59.51 | Mayor Withey | Okay, sorry Riley for doing that. |
| 00:23:05.50 | Riley Hurd | Good evening, members of the council. My name is Riley Hurd. I continue to represent Fritz and Leti Vanderlinden. At this point in the process, and as someone who fortunately or unfortunately, depending on what you're into, goes to one to three of these hearings per week, and now that I've read through the latest correspondence from the appellants, I can safely say that this is one of the more egregious abuses of the appeal process I have seen. And I think it's beyond that. It's bullying. And we're going to ask for your protection this evening and for some type of conclusion to prevent this from going on and on and on. |
| 00:23:05.82 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Member |
| 00:23:52.57 | Riley Hurd | The appellants were clear from the beginning that they wanted to see nothing. Ever. No changes. And it's clear that no matter what we offer, It's not going to be enough. And we've proven that now by what is before you this evening, which is a series of Very straightforward, simple to understand, reductions in the project. The findings could have been made, I think, about three iterations ago, but with the edits tonight, the certainty with which you can make them is even higher. These aren't complicated changes. Now, once we make these changes, new letters get written. It's about groundwater and rentals, and we weren't supposed to submit the edits on a particular day. These are non-issues. There's only one thing before you. That's design review. It's not engineering, it's not soils, those are building permit issues. When it comes to the design review findings, I would suggest Don't take my word for it. Look at the proposed resolutions that were prepared for you tonight. The resolution approving the project goes through each category, views, height, design, explains, very carefully how the findings can be made. There's evidence for those findings. This is a concept that I know we've discussed before, the importance of linking those two together. Then you look at the denial resolution It's a valiant attempt at the impossible because you can't make the findings to deny it. They're broad, they're not related to any evidence. So I would suggest that tonight you could make those findings. And Michael Heacock is going to walk you through the changes because that's really where the focus should be, not all the he said, she said that's been submitted into the record. So we would ask that you approve it tonight And if for some reason you can't do that, please give very specific direction to the Planning Commission and limit whatever goes before them. But we've asked that you approve it tonight, and I'll turn it over to Michael Heacock, the project architect. Thank you. |
| 00:26:08.24 | Michael Heacock | Mayor Withey, council members, thank you for rehearing this project. I'm going to go fairly quickly because I'd like to give some time for our geotechnical engineer at the end here. The appellant team has made some allegations that somehow this project is not site-specific. It couldn't be any more site-specific. We've taken over a year to consider the views of all the neighbors, as well as the owner of this site. You site. They've suggested things like flipping the upper floor and the middle floor and things like that, but the views at this site are from the upper floor. That's why the kitchen and living room are there. That's why there's this small deck. So I'm going to show you briefly what's going on there. With regard to this thing being site-specific, that garage go anywhere else. The city of South Salido requires us to put in a garage. That's where it has to be. It won't fit anywhere else. This is a 30-foot wide lot. You can't park an offsite space anywhere else on the lot. This thing is driven by the need for that garage. Okay? Our latest concession tonight, I'll show you in just a second, is to reduce the upper roof height. So 60% of the roof that's proposed is two feet four inches lower than the existing ridge. Let's see if this thing works. |
| 00:27:28.21 | Michael Heacock | Can you move to the next slide for me? |
| 00:27:32.97 | Michael Heacock | You can see in the pink dashed line here, the existing ridge height, we've dropped the ridge an additional six inches so that no portion of the proposed design is higher than the existing ridge. We're suggesting to you, if there is a possibility of approving this project tonight, that be one of the conditions of approval. Second condition of approval would be that 60% of the proposed ridge is 2 feet 4 inches lower than the existing ridge. You probably don't get very many projects in here that propose lowering the roof height. The third condition of approval that you might consider tonight is that the new upper deck that's in so much contention and really is the source of this whole appeal, forget the smoke and mirrors with the engineering, the real issue is this back deck. I'll show you in a minute. We're proposing an additional reduction in that deck. I'll show you in just a second here. Let's see. Okay, here we go. So we have the support of the neighbors directly across the street. You'll hear from Margaret and Jenny here in a few minutes. I'll show you slides from their view. Okay? The appellant to the right, our site is in the middle. Gary Chang on the south side of our property is fully in support of the project. Okay, here is Margaret's view. This is from the lowest floor of her house. She has panoramic views above on the upper floor, but these are the views she asked us to preserve. With the new height reduction we're suggesting tonight, the additional six inch reduction, you'll see in the white outline on the right side, there's no effect on her views. And in fact, on the back half, you'll see that a little bit of that back roof is being removed. Okay, here's Jenny's view. You can see she has a lovely panoramic view from San Francisco all the way across to Angel Island. Let's see if I can get the laser pointer to work here. You'll see that we've inlaid our model view here, and you'll see where I'm pointing to the back half of the roof. That's the existing roof you see there in the light gray. and that's going away. You know, she talks on the Nextdoor website about losing her raccoon straight view. The reality is we're improving it. She's gonna see the end of Angel Island. Now, to accommodate Jenny, we've also reduced the rear eave by an additional 18 inches to preserve her water view. Okay. Here's a plan view showing the additional reduction. I'm sorry, this laser pointer isn't working and they've asked me to stay right here. |
| 00:30:12.89 | Michael Heacock | Okay. Well, anyway, you'll see on our deck the additional compromise we're offering tonight is to make the new deck flush with the existing deck. Okay? I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE YOU CAN SAY ABOUT THAT. THE FLOOR AREA OF THE APALLEAN IS 79%. FLOOR AREA RATIO, OUR FLOOR AREA IS 59%. SO PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR PROJECT BEING OVERSCALED, OVERSIZED. JENNY TALKS ABOUT IT BEING A MANSION ONLINE. It's just not true. The house is no higher than the existing ridge at this point. Okay. Here's an overlay. This is showing you the relationship |
| 00:30:51.94 | Mayor Withey | Michael, you only have two and a half minutes. Okay. |
| 00:30:53.77 | Michael Heacock | Okay, thanks. I'll speed through these. So the pink shows you the existing deck line, which I believe all of you have seen, nine inches from the property line. Here's the new deck. It's actually pushed back into the building, recessed into the building such that only five and a half feet of it stick out. Okay, here's a view from Amy and Gerard's house. This is with the new deck. You obviously can't see it from this view. Here's turning 90 degrees south. There it is sitting over there. I'll speed through a couple more of these. Here's turning 90 degrees south. There it is sitting over there. I'll speed through a couple more of these. Here's the comparison of the two buildings. That's with the approved 10-foot deck. Now here's the deck we're proposing tonight. That's flush with the existing deck. Okay. With that, I'm going to introduce Nersi Hamadi, who many of you already know, our geotechnical engineer. He has a few words to say about Dennis Riley's report. |
| 00:31:51.12 | Nersi Hamadi | Mayor Widi, members of the council, I'm Nersi Hamati, geotechnical engineer for 206 3rd Street. So I just wanted to clearly state that in my judgment, the project at 206 3rd is feasible from a geotechnical engineering standpoint. The proposed excavation can be short such that there is no danger to adjacent properties. Retaining structure can be constructed before any excavation is performed, and the excavation can be performed without impacting the adjacent properties. In terms of groundwater, just about every other hillside in Sausalito, if you drill down, you hit groundwater. So it's not an unusual condition. Usually sub drains can be provided to take care of drainage. But in some instances for basement walls, we can design the basement walls and the mat slab for hydrostatic water pressure so that they don't even have to be drained. So that's another option. So having said that, since I was not available here on May 27th, I was out of town, and since some of the statements of my report may have been misinterpreted, I'm just available here to answer any questions, basically. With that, I give it back to you. |
| 00:33:14.71 | Mayor Withey | Thank you, Narsie. Have you finished the presentation? Yeah. Okay. Do you have any specific questions? Do we up here have any specific questions of the applicant or their geotech engineer? Or would you prefer to wait until we've heard from both sides before we ask questions? |
| 00:33:42.58 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I have a question, but I would like. |
| 00:33:45.15 | Mayor Withey | Council Member Foefer either way. |
| 00:33:46.01 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | either way. I have questions. I mean, if he's here now, I might as well. Thank you. |
| 00:33:51.41 | Unknown | Go ahead. |
| 00:33:51.80 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Quick question. So I'm looking at a follow-up report from Melissa Riley, |
| 00:33:51.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:00.18 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | from W. A Associates. And I'm seeing that the building to structure uh, would be deep below the water table and create a constant flow of water from below the Cunningham residence. And I was wondering if you could comment on that, because that sounds like a tremendous impact to me. |
| 00:34:24.16 | Nersi Hamadi | I disagree with that statement. The excavation can be dewatered during construction. And beyond that, as I indicated, just about every retaining wall you have on any hillside, you either have a drain behind it, or you can, as I indicated, you can design the retaining wall for the hydrostatic pressure from the water. So I disagree with that statement. |
| 00:34:52.34 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 00:34:52.70 | Nersi Hamadi | that. |
| 00:34:52.97 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I'll follow on. So you're saying all the construction work can be done on site without Correct. Correct. And you said without any damage whatsoever to any adjacent properties? |
| 00:34:58.22 | Michael Rex | Right. |
| 00:34:58.49 | Nersi Hamadi | Thank you. |
| 00:35:03.84 | Nersi Hamadi | Well, I didn't say that. Oh, well, that's okay. Then that's my question. I mean, there could always be some cosmetic distress in the form of, you know, hairline cracks and things like that, which I've stated in the report, but no significant damage that would cost $200,000 to fix. And I'm sure our client is happy to patch any cracks that may appear, but no significant damage. |
| 00:35:05.14 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Well, that's okay. Then that's my question. |
| 00:35:28.14 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | No, sir, never go down. And a Pellan has said, I believe, at her last |
| 00:35:29.30 | Nersi Hamadi | Yeah. |
| 00:35:33.49 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | A MEETING THAT THEY WOULD The foundation work would require them to be out of the their home for extended periods of time. Is that a likelihood? |
| 00:35:42.30 | Nersi Hamadi | I don't believe so, but that's beyond the area of my expertise. I can just say that you can do the excavation shoring such that you don't need to do any work on the adjacent property to make sure that the excavation is safe. |
| 00:36:02.39 | Mayor Withey | You do a lot of stuff in Sausalito. You've alluded to the fact that, you know, a lot of retaining walls built on the hillsides are going to have this sort of condition. Yes. So is there anything that you would see unusual in this project that would alert you for special concern? when you look at, on average, the hillside developments that you've been associated with? |
| 00:36:05.90 | Nersi Hamadi | Thank you. |
| 00:36:14.61 | Nersi Hamadi | day. |
| 00:36:36.80 | Nersi Hamadi | I don't because this is the kind of project that I deal with every day. So in my opinion, it's, I mean, all of it can be done. As an example, I refer you to the Transway, Transit Center that's under construction in San Francisco. I'm not saying that we're anywhere near their level of sophistication, but they're making excavations that are a few inches from high-rise buildings, all below groundwater. And so if they can do that, I think we can handle this part. |
| 00:37:13.71 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I have a follow-up question. So it's my understanding that your geotechnical report states, quote, |
| 00:37:14.35 | Nersi Hamadi | I have. |
| 00:37:22.55 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Underpinning should be installed beneath adjacent foundations and retaining walls wherever new excavations will extend below. an imaginary line inclined at 2 to 1, horizontal to vertical. So, It sounds like you're I did. your own geotechnical report suggested that underpinning should be implemented for adjacent foundations and retaining walls. So what is your response? |
| 00:37:53.94 | Nersi Hamadi | What? These are some general guidelines in the report. No specific plans at that time to refer to. So in this case, because we are quite a few feet away from the adjacent property, see I said adjacent foundations, I did not say adjacent property. You can actually design a retaining structure that is designed for the surcharge from that foundation, and that you drill closely spaced piers so that you basically are building a retaining wall underground before you start any excavation. That's one example of how you can do it. So that then there's no need to go on the adjacent property. to do any underpinning. You can also do things like do excavation in sections. See, these are things that would come up during the design, that, you know, not in this preliminary stage. You can actually go in and maybe excavate a six-foot section build your retaining wall without doing any more excavation, and then do the next section, things like that. So there are a lot of details that can be worked into the engineering later on. |
| 00:39:07.11 | Mayor Withey | Okay. Um, thank you. |
| 00:39:09.69 | Nersi Hamadi | Thank you. |
| 00:39:12.20 | Mayor Withey | So if we could, have the next presentation. Yeah, I don't know who's going first for your team. |
| 00:39:30.33 | Amy Wilson | We'll need the other presentation. |
| 00:39:39.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:39:39.34 | Amy Wilson | Thank you. |
| 00:39:43.34 | Amy Wilson | Can you stop me at seven minutes? |
| 00:39:46.49 | Mary Wagner | I'm... You have seven minutes left. |
| 00:39:48.59 | Amy Wilson | No, after seven minutes. |
| 00:39:50.39 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, that'll start going on a way now. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:39:53.97 | Amy Wilson | Yes. |
| 00:39:54.71 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:39:55.05 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:39:55.96 | Amy Wilson | I'm sorry we're here today hearing this again. We, too, feel bullied, frankly, and are just trying to protect our home. We had significant grounds for appeal, including the fact that, you know, although I have questions for the engineer myself, I'm glad he's here tonight and we can settle it, but the report did indicate risk and expense to adjacent neighbors. There were privacy impacts, primary view impacts, negative impact on the neighborhood character, There was a lack of information provided to the Planning Commission back when they heard it. The geotechnical report wasn't even part of it back then. And the neighborhood outreach has been problematic. The house design, I think it does address many site specifics, but the geologic setting, this is a direct quote from his report, the geologic setting of the site creates conditions for high ground water table and extensive subsurface flow through permeable soils. And Michael Heacock designed this property before getting that report, and so he planned to go down 14 feet, what turned out to be 7 feet below the water table, before even knowing what the soil's conditions were. So this shows the water table that we're talking about and how far down it goes. And when we all read the report from Hamadi, it recommends things like tremie pouring, which is where when you're drilling piers and water table water is pouring down into the hole for the pier, you have to do special kind of concrete pouring that forces the water back out because you can't drain the water as quickly as it's pouring in. So clearly there are significant water issues in this site. And then once the project is done, you know, there's stuff in the report around draining underneath of the foundation and to relieve pressure from the sides of the walls and the slab below. significant drainage is required, which sets up a continual flow of water, which will move the soil from underneath of our foundations. Our engineer here is to answer questions as well, and we can get to the bottom of it. THIS WATER FLOW WILL CAUSE REMOVAL OF SOILS AND SUPPORT FROM UNDER OUR FOUNDATION. So I really want him to address, like, why did he say prior to commencing work adjacent owners should perform structural and underpinning work? Why did he say underpinning should be installed beneath adjacent foundations and should extend into bedrock, et cetera, and that regardless of the care with which the underpinning is performed, cracking must be anticipated? The Cunninghams, we have a slab-ungrade foundation. We don't have a structural foundation. So while we can underpin the perimeter, we can't underpin the floor. And that sets up a differential where the outside is stable and the inside is settling, which is going to cause cracking. So when we say that we have this huge expense and time away from our home, we're talking upon reading his report, feeling like we needed to install a structural foundation to protect our home from this subsidence. Um, The proposed drainage systems are not adequate. Drains need to discharge to a public right of way, but they're going down so deep that to do draining underneath of the foundation, they're going to need an easement out of the back of the wall there. And they talk about running a sub-pump as a solution. I don't know how you can do that 24-7, 365. It's going to fail. And you're trying to basically pump the water table out from under your house. There, Geotech report states surface and subsurface drainage facilities should be checked frequently and cleaned and maintained as necessary. That sloughing and erosion that occurs must be repaired promptly before it can enlarge into sliding. What if it's not maintained? Who will guarantee maintenance? Drain clog up and fail, especially when waterlogged soil is moving into them. continuing running of a sump pump is unrealistic. And in the report they say have these fabric plugs, filter fabric. When it gets plugged up, the only way to repair it is to excavate all the way down below the water table all around the house. If that's what they're depending on for drainage, there's something wrong with this project. Feasibility must be dealt with to have the plan approved if it's not really feasible. |
| 00:45:20.42 | Amy Wilson | Okay. The applicant has not accurately represented view and privacy impacts. the very first meeting, the representation of the view impact. This was the true view impact, way farther out than what they're talking about. That was when it was a 10-foot duck. Then they said, look, We're proposing an eight-foot deck. You can't even see it in your window. No, actually, we can see it in our window. You can see it from the story polls that the privacy and views were still affected and that for privacy, we'd have to have a huge screen. Then they said, you're only gonna lose an inch or two from up there. No, actually, it's much more than an inch or two. So we approached, the lawyer approached our architect to open a dialogue and We said, show a design, but they never showed a proposal. Then suddenly on July 3rd, they revised design. The changes proposed have the potential to move the dialogue forward around view and privacy issues. They really have done a lot of work to pull things in and pull them down. I acknowledge that. But we need more time and information for analysis because I don't truly trust their representations of the view impacts. Where are the elevations of the new plans? These tweaks also don't address the fundamental problems with regard to geotechnical issues and neighborhood character. The design doesn't complement the surrounding neighborhood. It detracts from it. There's nothing unique about the site that the design takes advantage of to justify this modern design. The split-arched roof is jarring in contrast to the prevailing hip and gable roof forms nearby. If the design to the first city were all that mattered, then anything would go. |
| 00:46:51.27 | Adam Politzer | compliment the surrounding neighborhood, |
| 00:47:11.54 | Mary Wagner | Amy, you're at three minutes left. |
| 00:47:12.65 | Amy Wilson | Okay, the neighborhood does not support this project. Many people here tonight will testify to that. Some can't make it because of other conflicts. |
| 00:47:13.97 | Adam Politzer | The neighborhood does not |
| 00:47:25.95 | Amy Wilson | So you can. |
| 00:47:28.77 | Dennis Riley | I'm Dennis Riley. I'm the structural engineer. I'm pleased to hear Mr. Hermani speak tonight, however I'm a little mystified because we're talking about a completely different report in his mind than what was presented. We presented our work specifically based upon a well written report that he had produced. The statements he made tonight are contradictory to his own report. Yes, he could build the house with no drainage behind it. We would need to see that. That's not a problem, but provide it. |
| 00:48:08.26 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 00:48:10.82 | Dennis Riley | THAT WOULD DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF DRAINAGE AFTER THE HOUSE IS BUILT. |
| 00:48:10.85 | Adam Politzer | That would deal with the |
| 00:48:15.59 | Dennis Riley | but he talks about still having to dewater the shoring remove the groundwater that would be coming through the shoring THEM. AND IT IS ALSO that movement of water from underneath the Cunningham residents, which is an issue. the ISSUE OF UNDERPINNING OF THE FOUNDATIONS. if they're not required, if damage is not going to occur to the to the Cunningham residents, then they need to say that. All of this is based upon a report we haven't seen. The time to review this is now is not during plan check. The building department is not looking at adjacent properties. They are looking at the building that is presented to them as whether it's code compliant or not. WHEN THE DAMAGE OCCURS TO THE CUNNINGHAM RESIDENTS, IT WILL BE TOO LATE. THE DAMAGE WILL BE DONE. The time to deal with this is now. A hydrology analysis needs to be performed to determine how much water we're talking about coming out of a seven foot deep excavation. We're not, our complaint is not that there is a basement. AND THAT THEY'RE SHORING. and that is all on their property. Our issue is that you're seven feet down into a lake of a water table of highly saturated permeable soils. And what impact is that going to have on the cutting end residents? And so we need a real soil geotechnical report. We need a hydrology report. THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION AND IF IT'S CORRECT, THEN GREAT. But. OUR CLIENT DOESN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO WORK OFF OF. And I don't think that at present it should be APPROVED IN THAT PROCESSION. NEEDS FURTHER ANALYSIS. |
| 00:50:18.33 | Dennis Riley | Thank you. |
| 00:50:20.23 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Do you have any questions for The appellate, their engineer. |
| 00:50:34.61 | Mayor Withey | Let me kick off then and ask you a specific question, which is, |
| 00:50:43.52 | Mayor Withey | I mean, how would you respond to Mr. Hamada's comment that, you know, a whole bunch of hillsides, this is very different, little different project than many other projects that are done every year in Sausalito. Why is this different? |
| 00:51:04.16 | Dennis Riley | The reason is that in this case, in his report, he indicates that |
| 00:51:04.24 | Adam Politzer | Please. |
| 00:51:11.33 | Dennis Riley | He indicates that underpinning is required. on the adjacent properties. He indicated that the placement of the water table itself, and that this is going deep, and that those walls and the slab underneath it are required to be drained. not just the walls but also the slab underneath is required to be drained. And that relieves the pressure on the foundations, keeps water from coming through the slab, and also keeps the building from being lifted out of the- |
| 00:51:48.49 | Mayor Withey | No, I understand all of that. You're not answering my question. My question is, why is this different than the other many projects that are done in Sausalito under similar conditions? |
| 00:51:49.96 | Dennis Riley | Yeah. |
| 00:52:01.75 | Mayor Withey | under similar conditions where there's a water table, under similar conditions where you're going down |
| 00:52:05.82 | Dennis Riley | I'm not sure as to whether or not the other properties in Sausalito specifically are going seven feet into the water table. |
| 00:52:15.10 | Mayor Withey | Okay, so that's the issue. It's because it's going seven feet into the water table. |
| 00:52:19.14 | Dennis Riley | And the additional requirements that are placed upon the Cunningham residents as part of that. mainly the underpinning, that type of stuff. |
| 00:52:29.26 | Mayor Withey | What about the residents the other side? |
| 00:52:30.90 | Dennis Riley | I'm not. |
| 00:52:34.71 | Dennis Riley | Same thing. |
| 00:52:35.32 | Mayor Withey | Okay, so what about the next hillside or down the street when a project's done? Are all the residences around a project compromised? I'm asking. |
| 00:52:43.01 | Dennis Riley | I'm not saying that there aren't ways of doing it, but the thing is, is that A geotechnical report was produced that is |
| 00:52:48.84 | Adam Politzer | us. |
| 00:52:54.49 | Dennis Riley | that indicates clearly that there are problems with this design that cause damage to the Cunninghams. and the as a result at least a new geotechnical report and I would suggest hydrology report to determine the flow of water that they're talking about be produced before it's approved. And if that report is such that, These concerns are removed. that we talked about. then wonderful. And if Mr. Hamadi is willing to stand by that with his liability as I stand behind mine, Wonderful. |
| 00:53:48.47 | Mayor Withey | Any other questions? |
| 00:53:48.69 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. Mr. Well, I have a question on the subject matter because I think Mr. Reilly said the main concern is the potential damage to the Cunningham residents, that there are ways for this to be done, but your focus is on that, including in Mr. Hamadi's report that underpinning of the foundation should be done. That is, of the Cunningham Foundation, correct? Right. Okay, so my question is I'd like to ask Mr. Hamadi that. I'd like him to respond to that if that's appropriate in this order. |
| 00:54:09.92 | Dennis Riley | All right. |
| 00:54:13.78 | Adam Politzer | Like, |
| 00:54:21.41 | Mayor Withey | And then after that, I'd like to ask our public works director some questions. |
| 00:54:28.04 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | So the question is, in your report, you said that the Cunningham residents should have underpinning of their foundation. Is that correct? I did not say that. |
| 00:54:35.67 | Nersi Hamadi | I didn't want to say that. It said adjacent foundations. It did not say adjacent properties foundations. Okay. So that's a general statement in the report. But isn't – well, let me – If you have an excavation and you have an adjacent foundation, you need to underpin it. But as I stated here, this is an adjacent property, and there are ways to design the shoring system so it also acts as a retaining structure, taking the surcharge from that adjacent properties foundation so that you don't need to underpin it. |
| 00:54:39.99 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Okay. Pocrates file. |
| 00:54:45.04 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Well, let me... |
| 00:55:05.61 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Okay, so let me ask you, because I'm not an expert in this, or far from it. So are you saying that because you said adjacent foundations should be underpinned, and this is an adjacent property, are you saying that the Cunninghams will not need or you do not recommend their underpinning their foundations? |
| 00:55:23.41 | Nersi Hamadi | It's not for me to recommend it. But what I'm saying is that you can provide shoring such that their foundation does not need to be underpinned. |
| 00:55:28.49 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:55:31.66 | Nersi Hamadi | Okay. |
| 00:55:33.33 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | So you're saying they don't have to underpin? You could bribe other ways. |
| 00:55:35.86 | Nersi Hamadi | You bribe other ways. I mean, the shoring system needs to be designed, and it needs to be designed such that it does not impact their foundations, and it can be done. |
| 00:55:46.22 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. And this shoring system would be on the applicant's property. Yeah. |
| 00:55:50.93 | Nersi Hamadi | Thank you. |
| 00:55:52.96 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Thank you. So I have a follow-up question when I asked you that earlier question. you ended your comment with, quote, a lot of details could be worked into the engineering later on. Okay, I'm looking at this and I'm seeing a lot of concern. I'm, you know, seeing the quotes regarding adjacent foundations. The differentiation is lost on me. To me adjacent foundations means the adjacent structures next to this project. Um, So if you said a lot of details could be worked into the engineering later on, I'm just curious, why weren't those details addressed? |
| 00:56:33.22 | Nersi Hamadi | Well, those are- |
| 00:56:33.86 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | At that time when that geotechnical report came out. |
| 00:56:36.90 | Nersi Hamadi | on the other side. . Because these are going to be handled during design of the project. When a shoring system is designed by a shoring designer, by a structural designer, then different schemes can be worked out, such as, as I indicated, you could do the excavation in sections. You can go in and do like 6-foot or 10-foot alternating sections so that you don't have an entire excavation. Or you can build a buried retaining structure consisting of closely spaced drilled piers so that when you build this, you basically are creating a retaining structure underground before you start any excavation. so there are things that can be done, but this is not the time to do it. It's for a shoring design after the project plans are prepared. A shoring system can be designed that can be detailed to withstand all these concerns. but it's not something that I provide in the geotechnical report before any design is performed. The report is meant to be very general, to provide some criteria for later on for designs to be prepared. |
| 00:57:58.53 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I guess I'm a bit confused because I'm seeing a design and it's gone through, I mean the planning commission looked at the design of the home and |
| 00:58:05.07 | Nersi Hamadi | I'm talking about a structural design, not an architectural design. A structural design that has the details of concrete, steel, foundations, beams, columns. When I say design, that's what I'm talking about. And that's what you want to see when you're concerned about adjacent structures being impacted or an excavation being safe. It's a structural design, not an architectural design. |
| 00:58:33.03 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Thank you. I could ask our Director of Public Works and City Engineer a couple of questions. You don't normally end up getting structural, getting geotech engineers to planning commission or to appeals to discuss this sort of stuff. And I keep hearing that this, kind of matter gets dealt with during the building permitting stage. So what I'd like you to add some color to is how this project and the concept of going seven foot into the water table compares to projects that we do in Sausalito and how normally, what would be the process, normal process that the staff in its review would go through to analyze foundations and make these sort of decisions? That's a very vague question, I know, but I'm trying to help us understand, is this out of the norm and something we should be paying attention to? Is this within the normal sort of spectrum of projects that we would see? Give us some color on that. |
| 00:59:54.56 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. I will please tell me when I have only three minutes left. Jonathan Goldman, your public works director and city engineer. For those of you who in the audience don't know, I have a bachelor's degree in hydrology from the University of Arizona and a master's in civil engineering from MIT. And I have been in professional practice for 28 years, the last 10 of which have been in public service and 22 or so before that in private. The short answer to your question, Mr. Mayor, I think is that the police station is a really good example and probably the biggest example of a very similar project that we've seen in the city of Sausalito in the last few years. I started Halloween the day after the demolition work was completed and the day that the construction work actually started. So I wasn't here for the planning commission hearings on any of the proposed designs or so on and so forth. But the purpose of the geotechnical investigation or that kind of work at the discretionary approval of the design review phase is to make sure that the architectural design won't significantly change once the detailed design is done. In this particular case or in the case of the police station, the details associated with how the fire station and the police station were supported because the bearing capacity of the soils that was present below grade there was insufficient to hold up the buildings. And the details of how the neighbors on the uphill properties would be protected against having their home slide into the hole when the police station was demolished and the excavation and construction took place all happened in the detailed design phase, just as they would in this project. and I think one of the failures, if you will, in my office's part, is not being more active in involvement in the discretionary approval and the Planning Commission approval process. I recognize that there are anxieties, there are issues that come up. In fact, Mr. is very similar to Mr. Riley's. He's identifying potential issues that need to be dealt with in detailed design. And when my office issues conditions of approval that have to be addressed before the building permit can be issued, that's the way the process is supposed to work. |
| 01:02:39.12 | Mayor Withey | So to follow up on that question, There was a specific condition of approval, I think it's 41, if my memory serves me correct, that deals with this very issue, right, in terms of a geotechnical report and detailed foundation plan, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Drainage, well, drainage is a different condition. Was that condition of approval crafted specifically in response to reading in the Geotech report that this would be excavating into the water table and therefore extra care would be needed and therefore that's why you needed further information. Because the condition of approval seems customized to this. It doesn't seem your standard condition of approval for this. |
| 01:03:36.89 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, we certainly have tried to have standardized conditions of approval, but we also read what we are given and respond to it. And yes, this condition of approval was crafted to address those issues in the appropriate time in the entitlement process. |
| 01:03:54.27 | Mayor Withey | All right, okay, thank you. Does anybody else have any questions of Jonathan? Okay, so at this point I think Each side has had 10 minutes. We're now opening this up to public comment. And so for members of the public who would like to comment, This is not for the team members, because they will have five minutes each for rebuttals later. So this is anybody else who would like to have, make public comment. either neighbors in support or opposed or otherwise. |
| 01:04:43.32 | Jenny (Public Commenter) | Hi. Dear Mayor Withey and members of the Social City Council, I'm writing to support your decision to uphold the appeal but this time with prejudice on the matter of the development of a new single-family home at 206 3rd Street. The developers of 206 Third Street intend to block or take away part of my water view of Tiburon and Raccoon Straits. I bought my house 27 years ago because of the view. I made the mermaid statue on the second floor of my house, all 3,500 pounds of it. not in the basement or separate studio, but because the view inspired me. I was initially supportive of the project because the developers promised me that they would improve my view, not block it. They deceive me with altered Photoshop's drawings as they've deceived the city for years with their legal hotel, which they continue to rent. Their recent story polls tell the real story. I showed you photos confirming the fact that they intend to block my view. Their architect is six feet four, a whole foot taller than I am, And when he looks out my window, he sees a different perspective. And that's how close it is. They say they've altered it. I've seen three sets of story polls go up, and they all say the same thing. They are blocking my view. And I don't think it's fair. As I say, if they are accused with prejudice, they have to author their design, conform to a recent ordinance to limit development to 45%, not 65% of the lot, and also conform to a historical 30-year-old agreement among neighbors not to build up but retain the pitch roof of the neighboring houses. This is an agreement the neighbors made 30 years ago, and they all fought to keep the houses not blocking the views. My view, if they did this, conformed to this historical point of view, my view would not be impacted. I believe it is not just or fair to buy into a neighborhood and try to improve one's view at one's neighbor's expense. Thank you for your consideration. And I'll pass out the Photoshop. papers they gave me to convince me that they were improving my view and the reality of the photo for my house. |
| 01:07:21.46 | Mayor Withey | Thanks. Could you leave one with city staff, please? Thanks. |
| 01:07:31.68 | Mayor Withey | Is there... Any other member of the public would like to speak? |
| 01:07:42.87 | Adam Politzer | Good evening, members of the Council. Thank you for taking all this time. My name is Margaret Brendel. My husband and I are owners of the house at 217 3rd Street that Michael alluded to. I'm Margaret whose view has indeed, as of three days ago, apparently been improved. I guess at this point, having heard what I've heard tonight, in what's going on. I would at least ask that the city council send this plan back to the Planning Commission to work out more of the details Two things in particular. I emailed Michael Hecock a couple days ago and said it would be good Great, I could probably get a little more behind the project if new story polls went reflecting what I understand was a new plan as of July 3. I'm I didn't know there was a new plan that had been indeed submitted to the city. So story polls help because that's the truth-telling part. I do appreciate that there's been outreach over the past year. I did send Michael Hickok and I believe a copy to Mr. Vander Linden. a year ago, March 11th of 2013. showing how our view would be impacted, and it's only on July 3rd. that we're now lowering the roof line. We have a kind of a tight neighborhood with a lot of folks who've lived in our neighborhood 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, in my husband's case, 70 years. In the 80s, people came to our defense when The house at 208, ironically, was going to be a two-story box and completely obliterate or view of San Francisco. One of our neighbors, Jerry Taylor, actually gave up parking for life. to support us in maintaining our view. So the fact that our view as of July 3rd has been improved, there still are issues. I would be scared to death if I were Amy and Gerard and somebody were going 14 feet down, seven feet into the water table. It may all work out in the end, but I don't think all of that geothermal report was presented to the Planning Commission, if I understand it correctly. Thank you. I find it funny, I think maybe I'm part of the extraneous noise obscuring the true issues, as Mr. heard referred to. I don't know if he considers neighbors being extraneous noise, but I would just ask that you not approve the project tonight as the Are they the appellants or the applicants as the Vanderlindens are asking? But rather that this go back to the Planning Commission at least, |
| 01:10:26.76 | Rafael (Staff) | for the half. |
| 01:10:33.55 | Adam Politzer | if not even holding up the appeal so that story polls. and the issue of the geothermal problems can be reevaluated. Thank you. |
| 01:10:46.78 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Is there any other member of the public who would like to comment on this? |
| 01:10:51.52 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:10:51.53 | Nersi Hamadi | Thank you. |
| 01:11:01.14 | Vicki Nichols | My name is Vicki Nichols and I'm speaking as an individual tonight, so this is not any reflection of me being on the Planning Commission. But I'd just like to talk about process, and I'm hearing that this plan came in on the 3rd. Any other applicant would have to have those polls up for 10 days. We hold them to that, so no one's been able to look at this, and if I was the applicant, I would have a hard time making this decision from a PowerPoint. So I think there, I'd urge you to give a little bit more time to this. I don't want to delay it, but I think this is consistent with what you do with every applicant. The Planning Commission does it. They do it at the window. It's ten days for story polls after they're certified. |
| 01:11:29.82 | Adam Politzer | and the other side. I don't want to do it. |
| 01:11:45.15 | Mayor Withey | Jerry. |
| 01:11:47.73 | Jerry Taylor | Hi, everybody. I'm Jerry Taylor at 210 Third Street. Mr. Hurd started his presentation using the word bullying. And it seems to me a couple weeks ago I used exactly that same word and urged you not to be bullied by the applicants. When I look at the profile and I look at the lower floor and the height of the ceiling, I'm continually confused why this is referred to as a two-story building And they talk about the square footage of the middle and the upper floor. Why are we going so deep? And thus there's an intention to develop that to maximize the amount of the sale of the house. That's supposition. I urge you, not the design from the dais, This is a moving target. As you just heard from Ms. Nichols, What is it they're doing now? send it back to people to study this thing. and I urge you to remember your obligation is to preserve neighborhoods, and Sausalito neighbors. not to help somebody. Come in. tear something down unnecessarily, Sell it. make a lot of money and leave and we have something else for us to deal with for the next several decades. Thank you. |
| 01:13:09.61 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Any other member of the public would like to comment on |
| 01:13:12.31 | Jerry Taylor | Thank you. |
| 01:13:16.42 | Mayor Withey | this. OK, I will close public comment. |
| 01:13:26.95 | Mayor Withey | Aha. Thank you. Okay, so public comments closed, and we are now in the rebuttal phase, and I presume our city attorney, we go in the same order, and we have five minutes. |
| 01:13:44.79 | Riley Hurd | And we have our presentation slide, too, please, before I begin. Thank you. |
| 01:14:01.56 | Riley Hurd | . Page two, please. |
| 01:14:10.54 | Riley Hurd | Thank you. Yeah. Members of the council, this got way off track, and I would like to, not referring to this right now, I would like to thank the Public Works Director for getting this back on track. There is no designer view finding about geotech and drainage issues. You never ever design shoring systems and foundations at this stage and tonight you're seeing why. It's not possible to have a meaningful discussion about it. You do design review first, |
| 01:14:33.80 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:14:33.85 | Unknown | Thank you. . |
| 01:14:45.76 | Riley Hurd | Then comes structural drawings. I hope that everyone is familiar with that process, that's how it goes for every single house. So that was the extraneous noise I was talking about. Not neighbors being involved or anything like that. That doesn't belong at this stage. |
| 01:14:59.16 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:14:59.28 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 01:14:59.35 | Adam Politzer | I'm not. |
| 01:15:03.29 | Riley Hurd | ever. There's no finding for it. It's not before you. So what is before you is the design. You got a roof that's mostly lower than the one that's there, never higher than the one that's there, You got a stub of a deck, that's all that's left. And the eaves have been pulled back. Planning Commissioner suggested that the appellant doesn't have enough information to make a decision, I would submit that the decision is yours and that You cannot reflect lower heights than a roof by changing story holes. You can't show something lower. unless you take out what's there. So, The Vanderlids have been through enough Please don't send this back. more than enough information and findings before you to make this decision. So please approve this project tonight and end this cycle. I'd like to introduce two more members of the team who will respond one minute each. to the issues that have somehow worked their way into a design review hearing. Thank you. |
| 01:16:10.14 | Michael Tarnoff | Good evening. I'm Michael Tarnoff, the Project Civil Engineer. I just wanted to kind of wrap up the overall drainage issues in the project, which I know are a big concern. The idea of the project is, as Mr. Hamadi mentioned, is to simply design the project without any sub drainage. We're not going to pick up the drainage of the site. We're going to let it flow through as it does today and simply design the foundation and the basement walls to withstand the additional fluid pressure. All the water will be contained on site as it normally would be in Marin County. And as Mr. Hamadi has mentioned, this is typical of just about any hillside project with groundwater, you shore it on site, |
| 01:16:45.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:53.66 | Michael Tarnoff | and you just have settlement markers to see what's going on. But basically it stays there. You build it. Then you excavate it. And it's, I mean... I'm sure you could talk to just about any shoring contractor and they could tell you just how safe this is. So I just kind of want to wrap up that whole issue and I think that I haven't thought about the structural |
| 01:17:16.99 | Tara Tickner | Tara Tickner with Stronberg Engineering and we are the structural engineers on the project. And as mentioned before, when the time comes after planning approval, the design will be, the structural design will be done using the parameters within the SOLS report and design And the design will be contained within the property, the 206 property, and will not extend into the 208 property or any adjacent property. That includes the design of the house and the shoring that is... will be designed so that the excavation can occur on 206. |
| 01:18:05.39 | Tara Tickner | Thank you. |
| 01:18:05.48 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:18:08.53 | Riley Hurd | I won't take the final minute. I would just encourage you, that if these issues that aren't supposed to be issues at the design review base are still issues for you, carefully read the conditions that are proposed. They make it so that what we're hearing It can't happen. It's not a design that does that, won't be allowed. Your public works director will not allow that. I think he is very clear and the conditions are very clear. This is a design review issue and those findings can be made. Thank you. |
| 01:18:43.83 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. We're now asking the appellate rebuttal. And is that you, Michael? |
| 01:18:55.90 | Michael Rex | Yes, hello, I'm Michael Rex, I'm representing Amy Wilson and George Cunningham. Mayor Withy asked a very important question. and how does this project differ from other hillside construction in Sausalito? It's vastly different. They're talking about building an entire basement below the water table such that they're basically trying to build in a lake. and drain a lake. that's constantly having water being replenished by an underground spring. And yet... There's no hydrology report. No one's calculated the water volume. THAT'S BEING ANTICIPATED. There's no evidence being presented to you that substantiates the claims and assurances and promises being made. I gotta wonder why they're not willing to really address the questions. Um, I've done some projects never with a full basement like this in Sausalito below a water table, but I've designed two projects that had extensive streams right behind the buildings. And we designed with consultants. very extensive drainage systems, but they drained to the street. They drained to a storm drain. You have a condition of approval that requires an easement to drain to a public street, and yet there's been no evidence such an easement can be presented. If they can't make the conditions of approval, we should know that now. I'm not sure. Michael Tarnoff submitted a letter dated May 27th in your packet And he said, there's no easements that will be necessary. He said there will be no net increase in runoff. and yet they're going to be draining the water table 24-7. How could there not be, if there isn't then demonstrate it with a hydrology report. He said the foundation drains, the sub drains below the foundations will go out the weep holes on that lower retaining wall. And yet we know the sub drains are below those weep holes. So that statement cannot be credible. He said though, if there is an increase in flow this is in his letter, that |
| 01:21:26.88 | Michael Rex | They'll contain it on site in a rain garden, IN A DETENTION BASIN? HOW BIG WOULD THAT BASIN HAVE TO BE? HOW DO WE KNOW? if it'll fit on the site, if we don't know what the volume of water it has to hold. Or he says, we'll use a sump pump and pump all this water out of this lake up to Third Street. It's not credible. And they talked tonight about shoring. We have no issue with shorings. I'm certain you can shore to build the foundations. We're talking about this constant need to drain perpetual water in the soil that will be carried into that drainage system which we know will plug up and can't be maintained. MR. We can't wait until the building permits. to identify these issues and solutions. There's no public review process in a building permit. We have no way of knowing or participating in that analysis. It's all in house. That is why we're asking that you Deal with it now. either send it back to the Commission and with direction that they provide a hydrology report, they provide evidence, they provide a drainage system that they can prove a word. Um, Or continue it and ask that they bring that information to you. We have a right to know. We shouldn't be made a bunch of promises. Thank you. |
| 01:23:14.15 | Amy Wilson | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:23:21.93 | Amy Wilson | I just wanted to say, if the Council plans to remand it, please do so with direction. Require the changes to the design that address neighborhood compatibility. Require the applicant to fund a peer review to demonstrate how the site can be excavated without undermining or underpinning existing structures. The report that he has on page 4, it says property owners must be notified and should be notified in accordance with California Civil Code, given an opportunity to perform structural and underpinning work they deem necessary. It says property owners, not adjacent foundations. Require the applicant to provide a drainage plan that's better than a sump pump. Require engineering and project feasibility during the design review process. If you have to make a decision tonight, please uphold the appeal. Or issue a continuance so that there is more time to truly evaluate the recent proposals and address these concerns. That's all I have to say. |
| 01:24:35.07 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:24:39.93 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I do have a question of the architect, Michael Rux. |
| 01:24:44.47 | Mayor Withey | Yeah, then I think we should still be in question mode here. |
| 01:24:49.31 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So Michael, at the last council session I raised a concern about the character, the design of the of this home with respect to the neighborhood in the cottage you know, the ambience of the neighborhood. And I was wondering if you could comment on that as an architect. |
| 01:25:10.12 | Michael Rex | I don't think the finding could be made. I watched the tape of the Planning Commission hearing, and they were focused on, well, this is a diverse design. It says that it either should be compatible to the neighborhood or it's diverse. What the Planning Commission failed to focus on is the entirety of that finding, which says if it's going to be diverse, there needs to be something unique about the site that this unusual diverse design responds to. That's the finding. And I can't find anything particularly unique about this site, nor can I find anything particularly unique about the sign, that responds to those psych conditions. That's why I opine that just being diverse isn't enough. There has to be a reason to justify the diversity, and that reason stayed in the finding, and that finding can't be made. There's also no evidence ever requested or presented that demonstrates that this Victorian cottage is spent. I've seen a lot of shacks in town. This is not a shack. This building could be preserved. It's one of the oldest houses in the neighborhood. I think it's a shame to lose it. I know we're stuck with CEQA standards. That's unfortunate. The city's trying to do something about that. but at the same time if they're going to make a claim that this building spent standards. That's unfortunate. The city is trying to do something about that. But at the same time, if they're going to make a claim that this building is spent, I think there should be some analysis. And if it has to be brought down, it should be replaced with something that's more compatible to the neighborhood. |
| 01:26:50.34 | Mayor Withey | I'd like to ask the applicant's architect. |
| 01:27:00.45 | Mayor Withey | to actually answer the same question. |
| 01:27:02.83 | Michael Heacock | Absolutely. I mean, this house could not be more site specific, as I said in the beginning of my presentation. The biggest difference you see, other than the curved roof, is the fact that this house has a garage. You can't count more than two or three other houses on this entire block, either side, that has a garage. So by nature, you're adding a garage that's required by the city. This project doesn't, as it's designed, doesn't require a single variance. The footprint that we've designed is two feet narrower than the existing building. That opens up public view corridors from the street that currently do not exist. If that's not site-specific, I don't know what is. We've taken the materials of adjacent buildings, oatmeal-colored plaster, wood siding, stained wood siding, metal roofing. These are all coming from the adjacent buildings on this block. So you can go back to this curved roof and say, well, is that it? Or is it the garage? Or is it the windows? I mean, what is not site-specific about this thing? Well, the curved roof allows us to have lower plate heights on the sides of the building and a reasonable plate height in the center of the building. In other words, we've got seven foot six plates on both sides of the living room and kitchen side. And we've got a nine foot ceiling clearance in the center, and that curved roof allows it to do that. It also helps with views of the neighbors. Now, you hear the objecting neighbors here. What you don't hear is all the supportive, quiet neighbors who don't want to be part of the frenzy. They're there. We have, we have, I'll send you the emails. I'll give you the phone numbers. I'm happy to do that. |
| 01:27:32.29 | Adam Politzer | Amen. |
| 01:27:39.92 | Adam Politzer | Good. |
| 01:27:47.27 | Adam Politzer | you know, |
| 01:28:47.52 | Mayor Withey | Okay, so that answers my question. Could I have another one for you actually, or related? What I need is the finding that with regards to the neighborhood compatibility. Does someone have that finding? They can stick it up on- |
| 01:29:08.81 | Mary Wagner | I can tell you where it is in your staff report. I don't know if we have a slide. Rafael, do we have a slide for that finding? Okay. I got it. Thanks. It's on page 12. |
| 01:29:12.16 | Mayor Withey | I don't know if we have a slight. OK, I got it. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. I think. |
| 01:29:19.99 | Mary Wagner | You got attachment 13? |
| 01:29:20.26 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. So. Item B is, so the whole thing reads, the proposed architecture and site design complements the surrounding neighborhood and or district by either A, maintaining the prevailing design character or B, introducing a distinctive and creative solution which takes advantage of the unique side. What's the solution that you were trying to achieve? |
| 01:29:47.38 | Michael Heacock | The solution is that we can accomplish adding a garage, adding a conforming on-site parking space, |
| 01:29:59.88 | Michael Heacock | maintaining the character of all the materials on the street with the materials chosen. adding to the diversity of the streetscape with the curved roof design, which also is complimentary to maintaining views of neighbors. |
| 01:30:21.92 | Michael Heacock | Okay. Improving some neighbors' views, namely Dan Humphrey. Chris and Jolies directly across the street. not reducing any bay or water views for the appellants, or their ridge view for that matter, |
| 01:30:48.34 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:30:48.36 | Michael Heacock | Okay. Shall I keep going? Thanks. |
| 01:30:49.71 | Mayor Withey | Thanks. Yeah. Okay. Do we have any other questions? |
| 01:30:54.74 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I have a question of the African, but I'm not sure who would do it. The appellant has I asked and recommended having a hydrology report. I'd like you to respond to whether you think that would be something you'd be doing, the value of it, why or why not it would be useful. |
| 01:31:13.34 | Riley Hurd | I will respond to that, Riley Hurd. I have, in certain conditions, seen a hydrology report be required as a condition of approval for something that be submitted as a part of the review of the structural drawings. So that is something that we would be willing to do. |
| 01:31:33.28 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 01:31:40.30 | Mayor Withey | Any other questions? Yeah, please. |
| 01:31:43.93 | Jonathon Goldman | Just to brief follow up on that, there is a modified condition of approval on drainage that requires hydrology report as a condition of building permit issue. |
| 01:31:55.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:55.02 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:31:55.05 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:31:55.27 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:31:59.22 | Mayor Withey | Any questions? Any other questions? Okay. So let's bring it up here for some discussion. |
| 01:32:10.83 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So Mr. Mayor, if I may, my position on this hasn't changed, but I want to get the procedure right this time. So I guess I'm going to ask Mary to confirm. If my intent is to uphold the appeal with prejudice, it would go back to the Planning Commission for A REVISIT OF A NEW DESIGN, IS THAT CORRECT? |
| 01:32:36.70 | Mary Wagner | If the majority of the council tonight voted to uphold the appeal without prejudice, that would be... a denial of the project, a new project would have to be submitted if the applicant so chose. They couldn't return. with the same or similar project within a year. |
| 01:32:55.89 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, but we could, could we, introduce some exceptions to this to where they could come back earlier than that and also that the multifamily ordinance would not apply to them since they had submitted the application initially earlier than that ordinance took effect? |
| 01:33:18.82 | Mary Wagner | If the Council wants the Planning Commission to look at specific issues then the appropriate procedure would be to remand it to the Commission with direction on what those issues are. and then we would return to the council with that information so that you can make a final determination on the appeal. |
| 01:33:36.23 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | But couldn't we uphold the appeal with prejudice, but add conditions to allow them to resubmit earlier than a year and not fall under the ordinance? |
| 01:33:47.69 | Mary Wagner | If you wanted the applicant to be able to, if you wanted to deny the project, and allow the applicant to return to the Planning Commission within a year, that would be without prejudice. I don't believe that the Council can make an exception to the provisions of its zoning ordinance as apply to a new project. in response to an appeal. I think that the council, when you took action at your last meeting to uphold the appeal and then reconsidered that decision, the information that you gave staff was we may want to have specific issues either looked into by the Planning Commission or further described by staff tonight. So procedurally, your options are, Deny the appeal and uphold the project. Uphold the appeal and deny the project or remand the project with direction to the Planning Commission to respond to specific concerns or areas where the Council believes that additional information from the Commission would be helpful. or direct staff to provide you with additional information at a further hearing and go from there. |
| 01:34:59.88 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So I move to uphold the appeal with prejudice. I think this is a mess. |
| 01:35:08.24 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | No, I don't support that procedure. I'm not sure what I would recommend, and I'll go on because I wouldn't support it unless you have a second to that. But I would propose that we, I think this has to be reviewed at the Planning Commission level. I think this is something we indicated before, it needs a full exposition. But we will, I think we need to narrow down the issues. For one, there is a new design now and it looks like THE APPLICANT IS MAKING IT MORE FAVORABLE TO THE APPELLANT, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE NEW DESIGN. I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT. I WOULD SAY THAT WE REMAND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND WE WOULD GET SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ON BASICALLY, IF WE LOOK AT ATTACHMENT 3 ATTACHMENT ONE. IT WOULD BE ITEMS B, D, AND I, I THINK. which would be on the views, on the neighborhood character. and on the privacy issues. um, Particularly, I would have a recommendation that the Planning Commission do on-site visits. I think one of the problems we have on the Wasserview, certainly we, THIS COUNCIL DID ON-SITE VISITS FOR THE OTHER VIEWS AND PRIVACY ISSUES. WE DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK at the Wasser View. I think we need someone to take a look at that and to see that it's, I mean, we get this, um different views on, so to speak, on what that would be. So we certainly need that. I THINK WE NEED THE STORY PULLS UP FOR 10 DAYS THAT ALL THE NEIGHBORS Thank you. should be up there. Um, We talked about the quiet neighbors. We certainly should have input and notice, and if there's any input to the applicant on the quiet neighbors, so to speak, we should have that. Um, I think we on the Geotech report, I think staff should work with and report to the Planning Commission so that we are comfortable that the the conditions of approval support we got Mr. Goldman GAVE US A LOT OF Solid advice on that, but I think that we just make sure that we have the appropriate conditions of approval on the Geotech report. And I think that's basically it. |
| 01:37:31.28 | Mayor Withey | I don't feel I can make a decision tonight to either deny or uphold this appeal, and I too want this to go back to the Planning Commission. So my preferred procedure would be to remand this to the Planning Commission with the specific issues that the Vice Mayor has outlined. I want to make a couple of points, though, about last time I said there were two and a half issues. The half an issue was the G attack. because, and this was more an issue, to be honest, to make sure that our procedures are, and the planning commission and we know how to do handle geotech issues during a design review phase. I mean, with all due respect to the folks who have got up here and talked about this, I mean, it is an incredibly dangerous precedent to start having Thank you. a technical geotech discussion in the middle of a discretionary design review process. And that's why we don't do it. Okay? Half the homes are. That's an exaggeration. A number of the building projects in Sausalito have been done with this type of environment. So that's why it's only half an issue. And so it's more that the staff and the planning commission understand what the respective roles of geotech is during this phase of the proceedings. When it comes to the actual process of giving us guidance for when this eventually comes back to us, I think... during this phase of the proceedings. When it comes to the actual process of giving us guidance for when this eventually comes back to us, I think privacy in views, I listened to the Planning Commission tape. There was only one objection and that was from Mr. Cunningham. He was the only one there. No neighbors were present. I heard then that a lot of the neighbors were happy with the project. Now we hear during this appeal process something very different. I think the Planning Commission needs to hear from the whole neighborhood. They need to get their arms around the privacy issue, get their arms around the views issues, and actually go visit and make those judgments again. So I think getting their advice back here would be very helpful. The second thing is on the neighborhood character. This is something I think the Planning Commission seemed to be grappling with, but I think it's got to start to Um, help answer for all of us the question about how this part of the ordinance that is written is actually interpreted. Because I'm not sure I understand, to be honest. And the planning commission or the experts let them sort of help guide us through this process. In the Planning Commission presentation that the applicant gave, he indicated quite clearly that this design was the curved roofs, et cetera, were a solution in large measure to actually get the home built without impacting views. I hear something different from the neighborhood. So I think this is something the Planning Commission really needs to look at and ask the question, is it therefore a solution which is solving that problem? So I would not support a motion to either grant or deny the appeal, but would certainly second a motion that sent this back to the Planning Commission with those specific instructions or recommendations. |
| 01:41:13.29 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So I would amend the motion to include the findings that I'm seeing that cause concern. I don't think you mentioned A with respect to the proposed project is consistent with the general plan. The Planning Commission specifically said the project is not consistent with all applicable policy standards and regulations of the general plan and zoning, particularly those related to maintaining neighborhood compatibility and preservation of private views. |
| 01:41:45.47 | Mayor Withey | So I'm waiting for you. What are you reading from? |
| 01:41:46.18 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 01:41:46.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:41:46.37 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | for what you're doing. |
| 01:41:46.62 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | THE END OF |
| 01:41:46.99 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | What are you reading from? I think you're reading from a proposed negative thinking. |
| 01:41:50.18 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, and so what I'm saying is that we include A and B and C, that the planning commission review all of these points. |
| 01:42:03.58 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | First of all, that was a proposed findings if we were to uphold it. Oh, I see. This was the... And that was in that respect. This was the... |
| 01:42:08.76 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Oh, I see. This was the. And that was in that respect. |
| 01:42:12.19 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 01:42:12.20 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | All right. |
| 01:42:12.42 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I think the Planning Commission made the appropriate findings and we want them to review |
| 01:42:12.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:42:17.94 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | ITEMS. AND THAT'S WHY I SPECIFICALLY SAID ATTACHMENT 13 AND I THINK IT'S |
| 01:42:18.01 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Oh, here it is. |
| 01:42:18.67 | Unknown | I'm sure. |
| 01:42:24.98 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Number one has the findings If you look at on your thing, it's attachment 1 to attachment 13, and it has design review permit findings. |
| 01:42:31.81 | Michael Rex | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 01:42:35.78 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | And I would like them to... |
| 01:42:38.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:38.95 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 01:42:39.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:39.15 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Page 5. Yeah. Give recommendations as to findings on B, which is the proposed architecture and site design complements the surrounding neighborhood. That's the neighborhood issue. D, which is the proposed project has been located and designed to minimize obstruction of private views, public views and private views from private property. |
| 01:42:53.21 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:42:53.35 | Michael Rex | Bye. |
| 01:42:53.36 | Unknown | . |
| 01:42:53.40 | Michael Rex | you |
| 01:42:53.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:53.58 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 01:42:53.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:43:00.94 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | and I, which is basically the privacy issue. finding the project. provides a reasonable level of privacy, et cetera. Those three would be the ones that I would have THE PLANNING COMMISSION, review and come back with a recommendation, specific recommendation for us. I think they have on the others, including the compatibility with channel plants. |
| 01:43:22.94 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, so, yeah, I was on the wrong page. So I guess where I'm concerned about the preservation of the private views is that And I agree with you. So I agree with what you said because I was hearing that the applicant was presenting that certain neighbors were supportive and then we heard from tonight that that wasn't the case so it seems like there's a miscommunication going on. So you said that was B, D, and I? |
| 01:43:53.54 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | DNA. And I would also I think I mentioned before, include that I would have a recommendation from council that... Each of the planning commissioners make on-site visits for all the view issues, including the Wasser view. That story polls be put up for at least 10 days. And that all, you know, whatever the appropriate neighbor notice should be, but I certainly would appreciate as much extensive neighbor outreach and input, whatever input that any of the applicant or the appellant have to submit it to the Planning Commission. And those would be my other |
| 01:44:32.69 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, may I ask just a point of clarification to make sure that we understand |
| 01:44:33.78 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Yeah. |
| 01:44:39.02 | Mary Wagner | when you're asking for the story polls, which have been up for 10 days, they're not, I don't believe they reflect the changes that are in the letter that was submitted by Mr. Hurd on July the 3rd. So if the council's asking that they be revised to match that proposal, I think that staff would also recommend that revised plans be submitted before it's taken back to the planning commission so that they can fully analyze the revised design and give you their input on that. with respect to the issues that you've identified that you want them to weigh in on. |
| 01:45:14.27 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So I guess I would also revisit the C, the proposed project is consistent with the general scale of structures in buildings. |
| 01:45:32.36 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | because I'm wondering about that, the fact that it's going down 14 feet and scale in terms of also going down. |
| 01:45:39.16 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 01:45:39.19 | Jenny (Public Commenter) | of also going down. That's fine. |
| 01:45:41.79 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:45:47.66 | Mayor Withey | So do we have that as a motion? That's the amended motion. |
| 01:45:49.72 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, that's... |
| 01:45:52.05 | Mayor Withey | Okay. |
| 01:45:52.37 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:45:52.47 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:45:52.49 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 01:45:52.51 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:45:52.73 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 01:45:52.81 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:45:52.86 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I'll come with my motion. Okay. Second. |
| 01:45:58.14 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I guess I'll second. That's the only option we have. |
| 01:46:00.29 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | we have |
| 01:46:03.20 | Mayor Withey | You okay? Okay. All in favor? Aye. |
| 01:46:05.60 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:46:07.98 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:46:19.88 | Vicki Nichols | that would take us to the office. |
| 01:46:21.65 | Mayor Withey | We'll take a five-minute break before resuming. Thank you. WE READY TO BE HERE. We ready. Okay. Item 5B is another public hearing, introduction and first reading. Reading by Ticoloni, an ordinance regulating bicycle parking. Chief. Good evening. |
| 01:46:48.11 | Unknown | Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, City Councilmembers, City staff. This evening I'm going to present to you the proposed Bicycle Parking Regulation Information Whoops. |
| 01:47:08.48 | Unknown | As you know, we've had an increase in the presence of cyclists, both recreational cyclists and tourists from the rental companies in San Francisco in Sausalito. The significant increases have increased. caused some resident concerns, pedestrian concerns, particularly for our residents who go out walking every day and encounter bicycles stacked on the sidewalk. In conjunction with that, we've had safety concerns with all of the cyclists in the south end of town coming down Alexander, and then the intermingling of cyclists and pedestrians and vehicles on El Portal. So it's been a multifaceted issue for us to address. And our response has been a very collaborative effort between city government, local community groups such as the Marin County Bicycle Coalition. And then you have created the Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee. We've been working with those groups in the Chamber of Commerce and the ferry company, so it's been quite a collaborative effort over the last few years, and great partnerships in addressing everybody's concerns and moving forward to decrease the negative impacts of the bicycles in our community. So far, as I said, we've had meetings with all of the stakeholders. We have a continuous assessment over the last few years, starting with before I got here, in looking at how we can accommodate the increasing number of cyclists. We've had pilot bicycle parking zones to increase the capacity, and then significant staff time associated with all of this. To date, after looking at primarily the space issue to accommodate parking down by the ferry landing, we still find ourselves with the issue of bicycles on the sidewalks and impacting pedestrian traffic, as well as creating some ADA issues. And so, Regulating bicycle parking seems to be, in light of the complaints that we receive from the merchants and from pedestrians, that this is a good risk management strategy for the city. |
| 01:49:50.01 | Unknown | Our recommendation after looking at this is to introduce and read by title only an ordinance requiring bicycles to be parked at designated bicycle racks located in the proposed downtown area. And so here you have two examples of where bicycles would be required to park, designated parking areas on bicycle racks. The proposed area for this ordinance for you to consider is the 800 block to the 500 block of Bridgeway to include all public areas east of this location and parts of Princess Street. |
| 01:50:35.85 | Unknown | This is a map. This shows you the area where this ordinance would be in effect. And that's a more close-up map that shows you where it would be in effect. And the reason that this area was chosen is because this is the area that's most impacted by bicycles being left unattended at meters, light poles, garbage collection points, and just lying on the sidewalk. So this is the area that's impacted, and this is where we need to address the issue. |
| 01:51:18.70 | Unknown | In working on this, it was also important to listen to the needs of the community and input from the Marin County Bicycle Coalition and the Bike and Pad Advisory Committee and consider where we might need to add more bike racks throughout the city. So, Lieutenant Skoog and Jonathan Goldman and Alicia from Marin County Bicycle Coalition walked around town and identified. throughout the city. So Lieutenant Skoog and Jonathan Goldman and Alicia from Marin County Bicycle Coalition walked around town and identified these areas where we could put a bike rack that would accommodate two bikes and add additional bike parking without impacting pedestrian traffic on the sidewalks and without affecting ADA compliance. So the ordinance that we're recommending The enforcement of it would be complaint driven. My officers would not be out actively seeking violators because we don't have the time or resources to do that. It would be a complaint driven by merchants who see that bikes are stacking up on the sidewalk, or a pedestrian, some of the walkers who can't get by. And then, of course, on view by my staff, if they see an unsafe condition, they will take action. But we're not going to go out and do directed enforcement of this. The penalty associated with the recommended ordinance is we would store the bike for whatever period it is unclaimed, and it would be $5 a day with a $25 release fee. We already have a storage facility that will accommodate this, so there's no extra financial obligation on our part to create a storage area for this. We can store bicycles or any property like that for up to 90 days, and then we can sell it. per the California Civil Code. Should we have this ordinance in effect, we will continue to do outreach with our community stakeholders and county stakeholders. We will continue to work with DPW and Jonathan for appropriate signage for this. We have identified a grant and submitted a grant to fund additional bike racks, those single ones that accommodate two bikes, for those areas where we identified that additional bike racks would be appropriate. And of course we'll continue to address the impacts of cyclists, as we've done in previous years, and continue to work with our community partners. |
| 01:54:10.98 | Unknown | Any questions? |
| 01:54:13.52 | Mayor Withey | Thank you, Chief. Questions? |
| 01:54:17.32 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, Mr. Mayor, I have a question. Thank you, Chief. So I'm just curious. I know exactly what you're talking about because I see these bicycles just piled up on the sidewalks in very dangerous ways. And I'm wondering if we couldn't, at least in the beginning perhaps, look at an ordinance that targeted the tour bikes because I haven't seen a big issue with residents riding bikes. In fact, I ride my bike to grocery store to the grocery store and doing errands around town And I'm, by the way, happy to see you're going to be putting some bike racks outside the tourist areas because Sometimes it's been a challenge, you know, beyond Molly Stones. But I guess I'm just curious if we could focus on the enforcement with regards to the tour bike parking because I think that is the main issue. for the fines and the impoundment. |
| 01:55:19.73 | Unknown | THANK YOU. |
| 01:55:24.16 | Unknown | I agree with you that it appears that most of the complaints come because of tourists who are just dropping off their bicycles wherever. But I wouldn't expect my officers to spend the time to distinguish between a tourist bicycle and a bicycle. I mean, to me, it's just we have to use common sense. We create an ordinance that prohibits this, and if the bike is in violation of the ordinance regardless of who it belongs to, then that bike deserves to be addressed. |
| 01:55:59.26 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, if I may also, we have to have uniform enforcement. I don't think you can differentiate necessarily between a bike that has a blazing saddle sign on it and a bike that doesn't. So that if there are, you know, the, the, |
| 01:56:01.88 | Unknown | to the police. |
| 01:56:12.56 | Mary Wagner | the focus of the ordinance is to eliminate the hazard that's created by bike parking expanding beyond its boundaries and impacting sidewalks and passive travel and then also impacting vehicular travel because people have to go out into the – you know, off the sidewalk and into the street. So I would encourage you not to try and – I think that the focus of the area that's being addressed will primarily address council members' fight for its concern because that's where the tourist bikes are headed, but that you want to be careful not to direct enforcement against a particular type of bicycle rider or renter. |
| 01:56:52.10 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Is there any other questions before we open this for public comment? Thank you. |
| 01:56:58.34 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | I'm not sure. |
| 01:56:58.41 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 01:56:58.72 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:56:59.05 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 01:56:59.10 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:56:59.68 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | If it was a bike rental and you did confiscate the bike, You would give the common courtesy rather than just letting it pile day after day after day. of possibly calling them and saying, listen, we have your bike. The idea is not to get storage fees and things like that. |
| 01:57:22.42 | Unknown | that. Yeah, the intent is to address a hazardous situation. So we have phone numbers of pretty much all of the bike company owners or managers, and we would certainly try to contact them before we even take the bike to see if they can respond to remove the conditions. So it's not about revenue, it's about creating... Safety. Yeah. |
| 01:57:44.28 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Right. Safety. And the other thing to keep in mind is a lot of them are not tourists. A lot of them that come over here are people that actually do live in San Francisco. and they come over here for the day. And it's safer for them to rent a bike than to keep it where it could be stolen where they live. So it isn't just a lot of tourists. It's people from the city also. |
| 01:58:10.33 | Mayor Withey | Could we... Thank you. See if there's any other questions. No? Questions? Okay. Public comment. So would any member of the public here like to address... |
| 01:58:25.25 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry. I do have another question. We moved along. I can ask it later when he comes back. |
| 01:58:30.63 | Mayor Withey | Yeah, okay. When he comes back. Okay. Let's have public comment and then come back for a few more questions. |
| 01:58:39.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:42.34 | Alicia Laughlin | Good evening, Alicia Laughlin, Marin County Bicycle Coalition. At first, I'd just really like to thank Chief Tejada and Lieutenant Scoob and Jonathan Goldman for all the great work working so closely with MCBC to try to help alleviate the bike parking situation. We know it is a concern. We know the way that bikes are being locked up now, it's very haphazardly, and it blocks public access, pedestrian access, and ADA access, and it's something that we want to address as well. And that said, as was mentioned earlier, there is a shortage in bike parking, at least dispersed bike parking, in Sausalito, and so we're hoping to continue to work with the city to address that as well, where bicycle wrecks are appropriate to be located. We support the ordinance overall and are actually happy to see it moving forward. We want to build good relations here with the residents of Sausalito and help, again, alleviate some of these concerns. However, there are some minor changes to the language in the draft that we'd like to see, and we'd like to continue to work with the city to refine some of that language. For example, we'd like the language to be more clear that this ordinance applies to parked bikes that is bikes that are left unattended and does not apply to those who are attend who are to those bikes that are attended either by the bicycle owner or by a friend for example somebody went into grab something from the store and your friend is watching your bike I think the language should be clear that that is not parked. It's idle, perhaps. Also, we'd like to add a whereas statement that it really expresses the city's commitment to continuing to work with the socio-pedestrian bicycle advisory committee with MCBC and with the bike rental companies to ensure that there remains an adequate amount of both the higher density bicycle parking and the single URAC bicycle parking opportunities throughout the city, and that these opportunities are dispersed for user convenience. So again, we appreciate the language is there, but we need some sort of commitment that as this situation progresses over time, that the city will continue to work with these stakeholders to make sure that we're not just enforcing this bicycle parking prohibition, but we're also making sure that we're providing, meeting the needs of the cyclists. So thank you so much. |
| 02:01:09.16 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:01:15.62 | Jeff Sears | Hello, Jeff Sears from Blazing Saddles, and I'd first like to start out and say thank you so much for the new parking on Tracy Way. I think it's been really successful, and we really appreciate all the hard work that Herb and Jonathan Goldman, Chief Dejada, Lutunetscu, all contributed to make that a reality. and moving forward I'd like to really say that the bike rental industry supports, and San Francisco supports the continued work for additional free bike parking with the Marin Bike Coalition to establish more bike parking throughout the entire Sausalito area. There are several great locations that have been identified here in this ordinance that will really help to free up the sidewalk. and I can tell you that the bike commercial industry in San Francisco definitely supports parking. It will help organize the downtown area and create a more organized manner for bikes to be able to park and not create any blocking of ADA issues and public access to the sidewalk areas. Lastly, I would like to express my concern that I know there's a budget for signage, and I would like to really encourage Sausalito to continue with its similar signage that's universally understood or directed to foreign visitors that is located in the south side of town now for directing riders to not ride on the sidewalk, to walk their bikes on the sidewalk. That type of signage, I think, has been very effective in reducing all riders from using that sidewalk to get down to Sausalito. And there's been a large increase of riders walking their bikes down. So I think that's been a really obvious success with that signage and I think that's what should continue for this to be successful. I'm really concerned that a lot of our customers from different countries and different cultures will not understand the ramifications if they do not follow the regulations, even if we do our best to educate them, which we will make a really strong effort to do before they depart our business. So those are some things that I would like to share with you. Hope you can put those into the final reading. |
| 02:01:15.65 | Adam Politzer | Hello. |
| 02:04:11.49 | Adam Politzer | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:04:26.09 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Is there any other member of the public who would like to comment on this? Okay, let's bring it back here. Any final questions, and then we'll move into our comment period. You had another question, Council Member Feiffer. |
| 02:04:41.53 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | It was answered actually. |
| 02:04:42.90 | Mayor Withey | Okay. Any other questions from us? Council Member, yeah. |
| 02:04:48.97 | Unknown | Thank you. It's not a question. Oh, we're in the comment. I'm asking if there are no more questions, if there's a comment. Okay. So the two things that struck me, and I talked briefly with the chief about it. One, you know, as I was poking around looking for other examples of this type of strategy, You tended to find it mostly on university campuses where they have a big |
| 02:04:51.96 | Mayor Withey | Oh, word of comment. |
| 02:04:53.17 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 02:04:53.31 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:04:57.51 | Adam Politzer | We'll be able to. |
| 02:04:58.42 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:04:58.45 | Adam Politzer | Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:04:59.05 | Mayor Withey | Yeah. |
| 02:04:59.26 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:05:21.07 | Unknown | the collamoration of bikes in small areas and at certain push certain points of congestion. And so I sent, I just sent now because I found it only, some stuff that Stanford does and some other things where it sort of defines some of the things you're worried about in terms of, you know, what is an idle bicycle and things like that. So it isn't just if somebody runs in for five minutes kind of thing or whatever, as well as, you know, blocking entrances. It's better, I think, to call those things out in your regulations so that they're specific to say, you know, you can't leave a bicycle within X distance of a door or whatever it is. So that, you know, clogs things up. So that we might consider adding that type of language. But the other flip side, and it kind of goes where these guys were going, is that one of the things we haven't done and we don't have in the zoning ordinance so much is when you do any sort of development work that, you know, we require X amount of car parking, but we don't require if somebody does a certain size project to provide bike parking, especially for commercial activities. And that may be something that we, you know, we won't have time to do that as part of this go around of it, but it would make sense to require that going forward, that if you redevelop your property, commercial property, where it's a destination, like an office building or a store or what have you, that you supply on-site bike parking as a way to not just push it out onto the street. |
| 02:06:25.39 | Adam Politzer | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:07:03.56 | Mayor Withey | Does anybody else have anything to say? |
| 02:07:08.85 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 02:07:08.88 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:07:09.02 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | you I support the ordinance and I think it's a good idea, as well as having additional bike parking and such. about the only thing I have to add is I certainly support list is comment that we should continue working with the stakeholders and keeping them involved in it And on that line, I'd like to. also extend again our offer to her to be on our Bicycle and Pedestriering Committee as a nonresident member. So I think that's the best way you could stay as a stakeholder. So keep extending that information and that invitation. And certainly we appreciate every time that you do come and all the input that you have and the help that you have for us. Thanks. |
| 02:07:58.65 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, so, yeah, so I'm happy to see that we are introducing a bicycle parking ordinance with fines or storage fees. And also I support adding something that differentiates idly parked, like just running into a store and running out. But at the same time as Councilmember Leon mentioned, distinguishing between the the hazard parking because I've seen some hazardous situations as we all have downtown. That's kind of scary. And I guess I'm still waiting for the ordinance regarding the riding the bikes on sidewalks to keep that from happening. you know that's that's the only other thing I would say is I I'm looking forward to seeing that ordinance in the future We can talk about it. |
| 02:08:53.12 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Well, I hope in the future that we don't have to go to an ordinance, but hopefully that what comes out of the bike and pedestrian committee is... that we have some ambassadors in the future that will be able to walk along the sidewalk and be able to help people coming in with bikes and reminding them where to park. Right now, just so the numbers are, we have approximately, we have. in Tracy Way. And... We have enough. We have 35 bike racks. That's enough to handle approximately 700. With the single loops, we have enough to handle about 750, maybe 800 bikes. I think this weekend demonstrated probably that we're at our max. But don't forget that was a holiday weekend. The weather was really nice. So we're going to see how it goes. We might have to make a recommendation that there's some adjustments that take place on the weekend as opposed to the week to accommodate even more. But I think as a whole, I'm kind of pleased. I see that... El portal. is now a much quieter street. It's not so um, wild as it was before. And I noticed that Bridgeway and Anchor, because of that closure, has become much, much safer, not only for automobiles that would come out of Tracy Way, but the idea that you have two big crosswalks there at that intersection, and it's made it a lot safer. So I think as time goes on, We will meet the challenges. We'll all work together because I think that this is pretty close to, I think, something that could be operated very well and very professionally. So thank you for your input, believing in us. And I think as we move ahead, I think you'll be very pleased with the way we step into the next level because we almost say that every year. But I think we were ready for this year, and I think with some minor changes, I think we'll be able to handle things as we increase. So thank you, and thank you, Chief DeHatta and Jonathan Goldman. |
| 02:11:31.71 | Mayor Withey | Thanks. I obviously support this ordinance. You know, we've been slowly... We do have a multitude of problems, issues, challenges with bicycles, and we are, I think, incrementally trying to put things in place to manage them. There is no one solution to the multitude of problems and this is another next good step. I am very interested in the increased specificity that Council Member Leone proposed in terms of additional language definitions. So can we do this on this first reading not knowing what it is and then it come back as, no, we'd have to bring it back as a first reading. |
| 02:12:22.23 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Yeah. Thank you. Well, and maybe we should take a few minutes to discuss it, because as drafted, I mean, one of the concerns is if someone was watching a bike, and it does define a parked bicycle as any bicycle that is left unattended in the areas. So that handles that. |
| 02:12:34.84 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:12:34.85 | Adam Politzer | and he's going to be a little bit. That hand. |
| 02:12:37.18 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Um, and, um, So are there other things that we can have now? Because are there main things that we need to send back? It shouldn't be. If we can, we should do it. |
| 02:12:45.91 | Unknown | No, I mean... You can, but you do it. Yeah, no. I think what you should do is adopt what you have, and if you want to amend it later, we can amend it later. I think that's probably the wiser choice, because I think You can amend it with some, you know, these are just restrictions. We can amend it with some. some additional clarifications. I think the one that you suggested tonight is one we could just tackle. You've got to give people a little bit of time, you know, to just, if they can run in and run out. So maybe whether it's five minutes, 10 minutes, whatever, just give somebody something. I don't have that definition on me tonight in terms of what would be a good short-term |
| 02:13:18.53 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:13:22.73 | Unknown | mechanism, but... |
| 02:13:24.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:13:24.10 | Unknown | Thank you. The enforcement of that is also an issue. |
| 02:13:28.03 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | That's the one thing, how could you measure that? I mean, I would be supportive of it, but how could you ever measure that? |
| 02:13:30.12 | Unknown | Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, in the college ones that I read, it's more like if you leave it for two weeks, it's gone. You know? You leave it in front of the dining hall for two weeks, it's gone. But I mean, that's not the issue we have here. We have a congestion at certain moments in time versus kids forgetting to move their bikes because they don't want to deal with it. So I don't know what the answer to that is, but in terms of what the, I don't know if you have an idea of what would be a good time frame for just or a definition of what would be either unattended or |
| 02:13:36.84 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 02:13:36.87 | Unknown | it's gone you know |
| 02:14:00.70 | Riley Hurd | Thank you. |
| 02:14:00.97 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:14:02.86 | Unknown | a time frame to let somebody leave a bike. But then again, if you leave it for 10 minutes and it's blocking the path of travel, it's too, it's, |
| 02:14:09.07 | Adam Politzer | What's that? |
| 02:14:11.63 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | I think the term unattended really has to fit on a real general basis. Look, we've seen some bikes where... They didn't park at a... a meter or a pole or a tree. |
| 02:14:26.08 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:14:27.18 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | They just lined them up together single and just let them stand on their own and be maybe 15, 20 bikes across. So I think it's up to the discretion of the police department how they define. |
| 02:14:28.96 | Adam Politzer | I have a single... |
| 02:14:43.26 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | unattended is unattended. And I think your common sense will allow that to take place. |
| 02:14:52.05 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, I think we have to adhere to, you know, ADA and hazardous conditions. And I think if this is going to be a – |
| 02:14:52.89 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 02:15:02.98 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | by complaint, kind of a complaint-driven thing anyway, I think that it will speak for itself. But I wanted to make another comment that is sort of related. It's definitely related to parking. I do think that we should, if not now then in the future look at charging tour bike companies fees to compensate for the infrastructure and parking. that I mean we have lost resident parking, you know, meter parking downtown that was revenue generating for the city And we've blocked off a whole street, Tracy Way, which a number of residents are very upset about, to accommodate these hordes of cyclists and it seems like we wouldn't be asking too much to explore strategies Mm. to seek fees, an infrastructure fee, from the tour bike companies. to try and compensate for that revenue generation and the signage. I mean, just for this, we're looking at all the staff time for the ordinance and the time for the police to go down and enforce when there's a hazard on the sidewalk. |
| 02:16:14.90 | Mayor Withey | I mean, that is a different subject, you'll admit. It's a different... |
| 02:16:18.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | It's a different, I'll bring it up in future agendas, but it's related to the bike park. |
| 02:16:20.56 | Mayor Withey | but it's related to the bike parking. Okay, so can we have a motion then on this? |
| 02:16:23.88 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | on the... |
| 02:16:24.41 | Mary Wagner | you Mr. Mayor, may I? With respect to the definition of a parked bicycle, I concur with Vice Mayor Theodore said already references unattended. I think you could make it even more clear. |
| 02:16:26.30 | Mayor Withey | Yeah. |
| 02:16:32.94 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 02:16:35.73 | Mary Wagner | by saying a parked bicycle in violation of the section is defined as any unattended bicycle, then it clearly identifies all of the categories of parked bikes, if that's your intent. Right now there's an or in between the bicycles locked or leaning against a pole or something. So if the intent is, you know, if somebody's two feet away and comes running over and says, wait, that's my bike, then we won't. It is technically attended. The other issue that was raised is whether or not you want to add a recital that refers to continuing to work with the Bike and Ped Committee and the Marin County Bicycle Coalition and the rental bike companies to identify other areas where additional bike parking would be beneficial. |
| 02:17:20.87 | Unknown | Can I just make a comment? So I would suggest also when you – I think we should have a page on the city website because, like, if you – and I was looking around different uptown cities, like Boston has a page of where their bike racks are, which is – and it's the first page that comes up when you search, you know, bikes, Boston, or whatever I search, bike parking, Boston. But, you know, when I was reading their stuff, I also saw, well, geez, you know, boston's only a city is only having to hurt the by graxie I searched bike parking Boston. But when I was reading their stuff, I also saw, well, geez, you know, Boston's only adding, it's a huge city, is only adding 250 bike racks a year. You know, so just to put it in perspective, it's a, you know, multimillion occupant city and a rather somewhat, you know, centralized city. That's all they're doing. So we're doing a lot, I think, to solve our problem. And the bike coalition and the bike rental companies are all so important. But having that page would also, I think, help, even if you're |
| 02:17:59.04 | Adam Politzer | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:18:11.71 | Unknown | English is not your first language. Bike parking might be something you could search on your phone to find a map. |
| 02:18:18.21 | Mayor Withey | So is everybody happy adding that recital? |
| 02:18:24.76 | Mary Wagner | And – sorry, Mr. Mayor. I also have to own a typo. I apologize. It's my typo. The chapter should be 15.13 consistently throughout the ordinance instead of 15.12. And in reviewing Stanford's ordinance when Councilmember Leon mentioned it quickly, they do define a bicycle to include a motorized electric bicycle and motorized scooter, which I think would be helpful in this ordinance if we add that. So if you direct that those changes be included, then they have been read, and we can bring you the ordinance back with those revisions. |
| 02:18:49.14 | Adam Politzer | that's |
| 02:18:58.31 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | with the. And by the way, keep in mind that we do have racks down at the terminal that are for electric bike parking only. Bye. |
| 02:19:11.62 | Mayor Withey | Okay, can we have a motion? I don't... |
| 02:19:19.03 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Well, did we – I move that we – what would – |
| 02:19:19.10 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:19:19.18 | Vicki Nichols | That's right. |
| 02:19:19.40 | Mayor Withey | to the next episode. |
| 02:19:24.14 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Adopt the ordinance the city count that adding the other guy you have it |
| 02:19:24.19 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:19:24.72 | Vicki Nichols | Yeah. |
| 02:19:26.86 | Unknown | See you. That's good. |
| 02:19:28.29 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Yesterday. |
| 02:19:28.31 | Unknown | Yes, sir. Good. Go ahead. I'll make a motion to adopt the ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito adding Chapter 1513, is that the right number, Mary? 15? Yes. To the Sausalito Municipal Code establishing regulations regarding bicycle parking with the amendments as read into the record by the City Attorney. Those covered both, right? |
| 02:19:56.52 | Mary Wagner | That would be the additional recital regarding working to identify other areas for bike parking, adding the word unattended to definition of parked bike at the beginning, and also adding a definition of bicycle that includes the motorized electric bikes. |
| 02:20:11.75 | Mayor Withey | You will. |
| 02:20:12.03 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | second. |
| 02:20:14.01 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:20:15.51 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | I'll second. |
| 02:20:20.77 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | You got a second. Hold on. |
| 02:20:21.97 | Mayor Withey | Are we okay? Yes. |
| 02:20:25.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:25.03 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 02:20:27.12 | Mayor Withey | What? Yes. |
| 02:20:29.01 | Unknown | You're fine. |
| 02:20:29.01 | Mary Wagner | You're fine. You're introducing the ordinance. You're not technically adopting it. It's fine. |
| 02:20:32.13 | Unknown | I will amend my motion to introduce... |
| 02:20:35.98 | Mayor Withey | Okay. I'll second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? That motion carries. Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:20:41.70 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:20:41.75 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:20:42.26 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:20:46.29 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:20:47.94 | Mayor Withey | Thank you, Chief. And thank you for coming. |
| 02:20:52.18 | Unknown | Yeah, thanks, both of you. |
| 02:20:57.06 | Mayor Withey | Anybody want a break or are we perfectly fine? Good. Okay, the next item, 6A, consideration of calling for and giving notice for a general purpose election, seeking voter approval of one half of 1% transaction in used cells tax. and Charlie Francis, our Administrative Services Director. |
| 02:21:31.82 | Charlie Francis | There we go. Okay, good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. On June 17th at your city regular city council meeting, you adopted the budget for fiscal year 14-15. And during that meeting, staff made a recommendation that you consider directing staff to come back to you with a report on a funding measure proposal for Sausalito Essential Services and Needed Infrastructure. So tonight's agenda item is presenting that report that you did indeed direct staff to do at that meeting. The reason we made that recommendation and the findings that you made when you adopted the budget was that our current levels of service are indeed adequately funded and the budget is structurally balanced and sound. We also found that the future additional resources are required to address needed infrastructure while maintaining the long-term financial viability of the city that specifically that infrastructure had to deal with our really repairing our aging storm drains, dealing with neighborhood streets and broken sidewalks. And I concluded this staff report by saying that it was estimated that a half-sun sales tax measure for essential city services should be able to generate about a million dollars a year. So let me just start with a brief summary of sales tax in California. 140 cities in California have, as of this last election in June of 2014, have adopted an add-on sales tax of anywhere from a quarter cent up to a full penny on there. And as you can see, there's a concentration in the Bay Area of cities that have also adopted this, an additional transaction and use tax with one, two, three, six cities here and Marin County. |
| 02:23:33.18 | Charlie Francis | I just want to go back to that slide. In Marin County in 2013 is when Corte Madera, Larkspur, and San Anselmo enacted their half-cent sales tax. And the city of San Rafael not only renewed their former half-cent sales tax, but they added an additional quarter cent. So they're up to three-quarters of a cent of the sales tax. And they all did that in November of 2013. In November of 2011 Fairfax had their sales tax and then November 2010 is when Novato had their sales tax. So what we're trying to show is that Sausalito then would be bringing ourselves into parity with the other cities that have availed themselves of additional resources to meet their unique infrastructure and service level needs. And we're not doing anything different than what other cities have done. The reason Mill Valley is not up there is, well, for one thing is their election year is not 2014. Their election year is the off election years. And as you know, the requirement for passing a general sales tax is that a sales tax would have to be passed during the same year that a council member is being elected. Most cities have moved to the off year. So we don't know if they're going to be enacting a sales tax in 2015, but they could be. Since 1997, Mill Valley has enacted a parcel tax of $197 per parcel. So they have also reached that parity of an additional half-cent sales tax, but they did it through a parcel tax rather than a sales tax. |
| 02:25:11.90 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Yeah. |
| 02:25:12.34 | Charlie Francis | Yes, sir. |
| 02:25:12.41 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Yes, sir. I'd like to also point out, as you see the cities in Marin, Corte Madera with that increase is what? |
| 02:25:25.82 | Charlie Francis | I'm going to... |
| 02:25:26.50 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | They're at 9. Fairfax is at 9. Larkspur is at 9. Nevada is at 9. San Anselmo is at 9. And San Rafael is at 9.25. |
| 02:25:36.83 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. That's correct. |
| 02:25:42.23 | Charlie Francis | The purpose of this slide is not to make everyone an expert on how sales tax is composed, but it's to bring out an important point. First of all, the base sales tax rate statewide is 7.5%, and Sausalito shares in 1% of that 7.5%, and this year that 1% generates about 1.7, 1..8 million for the city of Sausalito. But in 2004, Marin County Transportation through TAM passed Measure A, which added a half cents to that, and that brought us countywide and here in Sausalito to 8%. And the Sausalito RailSinzoma Marin rail measure Q was passed in 2008 which added another quarter cent. And then just this last November 2012, the Marin County Parks Measure A and another quarter which that was brought us to the 8.5%. Now I mention that because the law prescribes that the cap for sales tax can only be nine and a half percent. In other words, the add-on sales taxes can never increase more than 2% and the add-on sales tax is a first in, first hazard type of add-in. So if we know that Marin's strong start is going to be proposing a quarter cent probably in November. Tam has talked about putting another quarter cent in maybe this election or maybe the next election. Yes, sir? Which means that if we did not pass the sales tax and held that off to another future year, we could be forever losing our opportunity to avail ourselves of this revenue source. Now, the next slide, I'm going to talk about why this revenue source is important to preserve and important to go now, and that's because of certain characteristics that makes it the most fair tax. It makes it the most fair when you compare it to utility users tax or parcel tax or an increase of the TOT tax because it maximizes the participant diversity. You have, first of all, groceries and prescription drugs. I know we don't have a drug store here in Sausalito. We could. But prescription drugs can be delivered through the mail. And since the transaction and use tax is a tax where the point of delivery, not the point of sale, mail order prescription drugs, if they weren't exempted, would be subjected to the sales tax. So that's why I specifically mention it, that they're exempted by state law of groceries and prescription medicine. Participant diversity is so we would have all of everyone in our community, the residents, the workers, some businesses from the business to business portion of the sales tax and particularly our visitors, our out of towners will be paying their fair share. And the diverse tax base ensures that tourists pay their fair share for the impact on infrastructure and services. Tourists that come on bicycles, they come on the much low tourist bus, they come on cars, they come on ferries, all of them when they make purchases would be sharing in the cost of the infrastructure and services by paying their sales tax, their share in the sales tax. It has the least amount of impact on all the other revenue sources and options that the city might have on low and fixed income residents because low and fixed income residents and many of our residents are on fixed income in the community. They primarily consume non-taxable goods and services, groceries and prescription medicine, services that they would be getting here in town for example, the sales tax too. So it doesn't have as much of an impact on them as it does on people that have a lot of discretionary income, discretionary income that are making purchases here in the community, either going out to restaurants or buying high-end goods here in the city. |
| 02:26:41.84 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:26:54.55 | Adam Politzer | And I... |
| 02:27:11.06 | Adam Politzer | And. |
| 02:27:16.86 | Unknown | of the |
| 02:29:35.89 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 02:29:47.89 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. So it has an impact on the business community, but it's an interesting impact because the business itself doesn't pay the sales tax rather than the purchases of the good are paying the sales tax, and the business is only acting as a tax collector on behalf of the state of California, the county of Marin, and the city of Sausalito. But for business transactions, there is an impact on business, but anecdotal evidence over the years, since we've been passing these here in California for the past two decades, points that there's little impact on business profitability from imposing an additional add-on sales tax. In other words, a tourist is not going to go to Mill Valley for the eight and a half eight and a half cents on sales tax rather than here if they're here on a bicycle or if they're here on a bus or if they're here even driving or taking the ferries. Last of all, the impact on the residential community is most residential non-discretionary income is tax exempt. Our groceries, our prescription medicine, our mortgages, our rent, utilities, services, those are all exempt from sales tax. But if you had a utility user tax or if you had a parcel tax, then there would be a heavier burden on your residential community. So staff believes that the half-cent sales tax is the most most equitable sales tax and we want to make sure that not only we preserve our ability to get that sales tax and have that option available to us, but it would to generate the revenue we need to address our essential infrastructure needs, which is what this is all about. It's about storm drains, the new storm drain regulations and requirements that are very stringent. THE RATE. regulations requirements. We shouldn't be allowing pollutants to go into our bay. We should be making sure that the storm drain is settling into the ground and going where it's supposed to be going as well as repairing our streets and making our sidewalks accessible to our age friendly community and to our disabled community. So it's very important that we do these things. This graph is meant to show you the impact. We have leakage in Sausalito. It's estimated that We have a need for more resident-serving businesses. Everyone has said that. We have a report that comes to us through Muni Services and Nielsen that estimates that we have about $2 million of sales tax leakage every year. That's $200 million worth of business that's going outside the community. And if they're going outside Sausalito, they're spending that 9% in Novato and Fairfax and those other cities except for Mill Valley. But What it also is showing is that we have a minimum of 40% based on this Nielsen survey. up to a maximum of 80% of all of our sales tax being generated by tourist community. And this graph is demonstrating how much of our economic tax base for sales tax is coming from restaurants and coming from general retail. So it's allocating the burden of the sales tax based on those visitors there creating the most amount of impact on infrastructure. If you were to consider putting a sales tax onto the tax roll, the timeline is such that we have our meeting tonight. We would have a resolution calling for consolidation of election and a sales tax or transaction and use tax ordinance occurring on July 22nd because the deadline for filing and notifying the county for consolidating election is August 8th. Following that August 8th date, there's a 5 p.m. deadline on August 18th for ballot arguments to be submitted and the city attorney to prepare an impartial analysis. Rebuttals would have to be filed by August 25th. The general election is November 4th. And we would then enter in if it was successful. And it's a majority vote, 50% plus one in order to get a successful general election sales tax. We would enter into two contracts with the State Board of Equalization to collect the sales tax and distribute it for us. And so the sales tax would take effect on April 1st and we would start receiving our money in the second quarter of 2015. There's very, very strong community support for a local tax measure to fund these essential services. You've received these reports through other forums and other presentations. Basically, two-thirds of the respondents find that things that were on the right track in Sausalito, They more than three quarters approve of the job being done in improving city services and a majority wants to preserve our financial management. Our services are going good, but they really, really are willing to support the aging infrastructure needs. that. It's 85 years old. They're completely deteriorated and rusted through. Adam told the story the other day when we met with the Chamber of Commerce on how some of our storm drains just have no bottoms at all to them. You know, there's just a top. The years of sediment running through it has completely rusted away the bottoms of our storm drains, which means they're not controlled. They're going not into their designated flow areas. Upgrades are needed to prevent pollutants, garbage, and sediment from entering Richardson Bay. Our streets are on steep hillsides. They create hazardous conditions, although not all of our concrete streets need to be completely repaved with concrete. Jonathan can go into more detail with that. Concrete streets can cost up to five times more than an asphalt street to replace. And so we have more of the concrete streets that we would like to address in our five-year or six-year capital improvement program. And we also have very crowded sidewalks that must be maintained for pedestrian safety, access for seniors, and access for the disabled community. So a strong need for capital infrastructure needs. So we continue to have our proposal then in front of you for enhanced revenues. Our Sausalito constituents place a high value on maintaining the city's fiscal stability. by almost a two-to-one moment. margin, they support a temporary 10-year local sales tax to address community needs, and the half-ton sales tax should generate approximately a million dollars. |
| 02:36:34.29 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 02:36:37.90 | Charlie Francis | Now you heard me talk a little bit earlier that our sales tax is about 1.7 from 1%. Why do I estimate 1 million from half a cent sales tax? And that's because the first part is a sales tax, which means that it's shared based on the point of sale. The half cent sales tax is a transaction and use tax, which means it goes to the point of use, where the delivery comes from. |
| 02:37:05.50 | Unknown | Buying a car, the second example. |
| 02:37:07.79 | Charlie Francis | Yeah, so for an example, if you go to Corta Madura and buy a car, you're going to pay a 9% sales tax. That other half a percent sales tax does not come to Sausalito. It goes into a county-wide pool that's allocated based on population. If we put a half-cent sales tax on when they go to Corta Madura and buy the car, they'd still pay the 9%, but now the full half percent would come back to the city of Sausalito. |
| 02:37:07.99 | Unknown | So, |
| 02:37:33.90 | Charlie Francis | Finally, it would ensure a guaranteed source of local funding. Sacramento can't touch it once we put it in there. It's the city's. The tax dollars would be spent locally. Tens of thousands of tourists are going to be there here to shop, and it would ensure that they would pay their fair share. It doesn't apply to groceries and medication, and for fiscal accountability, we'll be subject to our independent financial audits. It has a sunset date of 10 years and it will require that all funds remain in Sausalito. So our recommendation then is tonight for after you deliberate and discuss the issue to direct staff to come back to you on July 28th. Second, with a resolution of the City Council calling for a giving notice of a general purpose election, that includes an ordinance for a transaction and use tax for half a second. |
| 02:38:18.28 | Adam Politzer | with a resolution. of the city. |
| 02:38:32.15 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 02:38:32.25 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:38:32.32 | Charlie Francis | We won't answer any questions. |
| 02:38:32.38 | Mayor Withey | Okay. Thank you, Charlie. So I'm guessing there may be a bunch of questions. So could I ask folks to ask if they want to ask a question, ask a question, have a reasonable follow-up question, and then yield so that others can. Ask questions. who, Does have any questions? |
| 02:39:01.00 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:39:01.02 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 02:39:01.04 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have a question. Councillor McFarland. |
| 02:39:01.44 | Mayor Withey | Councilman Piper. |
| 02:39:02.64 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 02:39:02.74 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:39:02.76 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 02:39:02.81 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. So I noticed the staff report mentioned walk-in sales. Will this apply to Internet sales? |
| 02:39:11.65 | Charlie Francis | I'm sorry, it mentioned what? |
| 02:39:13.19 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | It mentioned walk-in retail stores. Oh, sure. Will it apply to internet? It does. It applies to internet sales, so you buy something on the web and you pay this? |
| 02:39:15.18 | Charlie Francis | Oh, sure. It does. So it rejects. If you buy something from Macy's, Macy's will collect the sales tax and send it to San Fernando. |
| 02:39:26.20 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | So I have a follow-up question. So if this applies to Internet sales, then how is it that the city is positioning this as something that tourists are going to be paying for and not residents? |
| 02:39:27.82 | Charlie Francis | We'll be right back. |
| 02:39:27.97 | Unknown | . |
| 02:39:28.14 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. This applies. |
| 02:39:42.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I mean, residents who live here who shop on the Internet are going to get hit with the sales tax too. |
| 02:39:48.29 | Charlie Francis | Oh, you're absolutely right. I did not say that residents would be exempt from it, but what I was trying to point out was that tourists and out-of-towners would be paying their share of their impact on investments in city services, or infrastructure in city services. |
| 02:40:04.62 | Unknown | MR. CHARLIE, WHAT WAS YOUR ESTIMATE OF THE SPLIT BETWEEN, AT LEAST BASED ON THE CURRENT SALES TAX, YOU HAD A GRAPH. WHAT WAS YOUR RANGE BETWEEN WHAT IS PAID BY RESIDENTS VERSUS THE SALES TAX? |
| 02:40:20.15 | Charlie Francis | So we only have, well, I have empirical evidence from Nielsen's Claritas and Muni Services that tries to demonstrate, based on regional spending and discretionary income, demographics of our community, that we have at least 40% tourist spending of our wholesale tax base. The Chamber of Commerce this morning at their VizX meeting said that they believe that it's 80%. So that's a pretty big range. I would think that we're above 40 and we're less than 80 and we're probably right there at 60% of our sales tax income that's coming from residents. I mean from tourists. Thank you. |
| 02:41:03.70 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 02:41:04.09 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:41:04.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:41:04.85 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 02:41:04.88 | Unknown | because of the way the |
| 02:41:05.02 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 02:41:07.97 | Unknown | THE SALES TAX, AND THERE'S THE TRANSACTION AND THE |
| 02:41:14.99 | Charlie Francis | Please thanks. |
| 02:41:16.09 | Unknown | that it will be a higher percentage of that half percent will be localized because it's taxed on other goods than the current sales tax is taxed because of the location-based point of delivery versus the point of purchase. So even if you assume that the |
| 02:41:21.03 | Charlie Francis | as if. |
| 02:41:21.49 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:41:33.72 | Unknown | If you take the I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. AT LEAST MY MATH, IT'S LIKE $80 OR $90 A YEAR PER SAUCE LITO RESIDENT. on average. |
| 02:41:59.83 | Charlie Francis | Let me just point out on the Sausalito resident part. The Sausalito resident is buying something over the Internet. They're probably buying it from a city that's already charging the 9% sales tax anyway. So you look at where the Macy's Internet stores are, where the Nordstrom's, where the Amazons are all located. They have all located the additional tax because right now that additional tax is imposed, but it doesn't come back to the city that it's being distributed to. It's going into that county's fund to be distributed back to that. So there would be no additional impact in most cases, and probably in all cases, to the associated residents. They'd still be paying the same amounts. |
| 02:42:13.36 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:42:13.58 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 02:42:21.14 | Adam Politzer | They have all. |
| 02:42:45.19 | Adam Politzer | Charlie, if I can just add on to this, if you go in person in Marin County to Macy's in Corner Madera, 9 percent, or to Macy's in San Rafael, Northgate, it's 9.25 percent. and then Macy's up in Nevada or Target in San Rafael or Target in Nevada. So I think Just sharing what Charlie is saying, we're just keeping up with what they're being, a resident would be charged when they go to Nevado or Cora Madera and we're less than what you're charged if you go to the Macy's or Target in San Rafael. |
| 02:43:23.00 | Unknown | But even if I can, let's assume it's 50% share of localized, right, because it's going to go up just because of automobile purchases at a minimum, right? So if you assume it's 50% of $1 million, so it's half a million dollars divided by some number, let's assume it's $7,000 for the sake of easy math. It's $70 a year in total that you pay an additional sales tax as a resident. Thank you. |
| 02:43:52.15 | Mayor Withey | Anybody have any more questions? |
| 02:43:53.16 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Yes, yes. You said one of the restrictions are that all the funds are to be used in Sausalito |
| 02:43:53.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:53.60 | Mayor Withey | Yeah. |
| 02:43:53.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:53.74 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:43:53.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:53.87 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:43:53.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:00.47 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | If you go back to the slide, Thank you. |
| 02:44:03.40 | Unknown | have. |
| 02:44:03.42 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | to have. |
| 02:44:03.79 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 02:44:03.86 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:44:04.11 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | I have said. |
| 02:44:04.69 | Unknown | Unless you voted to give them to Marin County as part of your |
| 02:44:07.00 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | part of your life. |
| 02:44:07.37 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I'm not. |
| 02:44:07.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:07.42 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 02:44:07.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:07.54 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | No, no, I... |
| 02:44:07.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:07.64 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 02:44:07.72 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:44:07.91 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. |
| 02:44:07.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:07.98 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | No, no. Bye. The half a cent goes to... It says, |
| 02:44:13.51 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | It says, requiring all funds to remain in Sausalito, What does that mean? Because I thought it would go to the general. |
| 02:44:20.26 | Charlie Francis | The President would be spent. Oh, no, no, no. |
| 02:44:21.78 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | No, no, no, the very last line on your slide. |
| 02:44:24.51 | Charlie Francis | Bye. Yeah. |
| 02:44:25.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:26.35 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | What does that mean? It remains. We can't. If you spend it. What if you use it to. do a storm drain, and the contractor is from San Rafael. I'm not quite sure what that means. Thank you. |
| 02:44:39.13 | Charlie Francis | it. that the expenditure of the funds will occur for SOS-LEO benefiting projects. It won't go for a project somewhere. |
| 02:44:46.98 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Okay, that would be pretty basic. Okay, I just, that sounds so basic that I didn't know why you'd have an extra one on it. |
| 02:44:57.81 | Mayor Withey | Further questions? |
| 02:44:58.53 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have a question, Ms. Mayor. |
| 02:44:59.31 | Mayor Withey | in this sphere. |
| 02:45:00.97 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. We talked about this earlier and I just want to clarify again. The 51% means that the revenues from the sales tax will go to the general fund which is a big It's not earmarked and yet we're talking about these sales tax being used to fix storm drains and roads, etc. except there's no guarantee. I mean, it's going in the general fund. So these are not being earmarked. Is that correct? And the reason why they're not being earmarked is we're not seeking the higher bar of the two-thirds vote. Why wouldn't we... seek that higher two-thirds vote to protect those funds for storm drains, roads, and sewers. |
| 02:45:46.46 | Charlie Francis | Well, the city council is the guarantee for spending those monies appropriate to the priorities that are identified for the community and to give the city council the kind of flexibility that's needed in order to balance its budget and provide for the infrastructure needs, a general purpose sales tax is the most efficient and effective way of delivering that. And it's 50% plus one vote. |
| 02:46:13.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:46:18.29 | Mayor Withey | Okay, why don't we at this stage open this for public comment? Thank you, Charlie. And so is there any member of the public who'd like to talk on this? John. |
| 02:46:22.18 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 02:46:22.22 | John Flavin | Thank you. |
| 02:46:30.33 | John Flavin | Yeah, but I've forgotten what I was going to say. |
| 02:46:34.42 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | It's a good thing that mic's over. |
| 02:46:40.51 | John Flavin | I'm John Flavin. I'm a resident of Sausalito. Charlie has given you a very logical, professional presentation. I'm going to give you an emotional one. You interviewed. Your survey is based on 200 people. I bet I have talked to at least half that number who have a very emotional and visceral response to this sales tax increase. Because you add the sewer rate increase, the parcel tax, and now this, and you get the feeling you're getting nibbled to death by a dime. These funds are not specifically allocated to these kinds of capital improvements. They're gonna go into the general account. People are asking, if the city really has $43.5 million of net assets, why can't they use those funds to do this kind of work? That's what it says in the annual report. Reality is, you've got to take the $43.5, then you subtract the $22.5 that we owe to CalPERS, the $4 to $6 million that we have for retiree health benefits, you're down to $15 or $16, which is not a big buffer when you've got this annual budget of $20 to $29 million based on the next two years. It's getting a little skinny. Now I understand why you don't want to allocate funds to capital improvements. I looked at the two years of budget. You've got $11 million or so in capital improvements for the next two years. |
| 02:47:32.17 | Adam Politzer | The reality is... |
| 02:47:40.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:47:45.38 | Adam Politzer | He's not. |
| 02:48:07.47 | John Flavin | Why not use that money? I don't know what it's allocated to. But why not use that money to switch it around? Use some of that money to fund these repairs that so desperately need to be done. I'm sure that Jonathan and Charlie can come up with a way to sort of balance and rob Peter to pay Paul. Very logical, and you don't hit the resident ATM machine one more time. |
| 02:48:33.17 | Adam Politzer | Tom. |
| 02:48:34.55 | John Flavin | But there is a coincidence. There is a coincidence. CalPERS has announced that they're increasing their annual pension costs. Those annual pension costs are going up for the city of Sausalito roughly $1 million a year. |
| 02:48:37.61 | Adam Politzer | There is a cleanse. |
| 02:48:52.42 | John Flavin | which is the projected increase shown by the sales tax increase. That's the revenue you're going to get as a main knowledge a year. Cynical people, certainly not me, but other cynical people will say, wait a minute, this is not a tax to increase capital improvements. This is a tax to band-aid the pension payments. |
| 02:49:03.49 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:49:14.04 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:49:20.45 | John Flavin | So – In your thinking that this is, the survey is everything is warm and fuzzy out there. It's not. People are really, really angry about this proposed civil rights increase. So do your judgment accordingly. |
| 02:49:38.22 | Mayor Withey | Thank you, gentlemen. Any other member of the public want to say anything? Okay, see none. Let's bring it up here for comment. |
| 02:49:54.29 | Unknown | Mr. Charles. |
| 02:49:59.23 | Unknown | Charlie, do you want to comment on the city's pension costs going forward and what the increases that you projected in the budget that are actually higher than what CalPERS is informed about? |
| 02:50:02.44 | Adam Politzer | Amen. |
| 02:50:02.86 | Unknown | on. |
| 02:50:02.93 | Adam Politzer | I'm not. |
| 02:50:14.13 | Charlie Francis | The city has, in its two-year budget, has projected, well, first of all, let me talk about our pension reform. Our pension reform put in two additional pension tiers, a tier two and a PEPA tier, the required tier that the state said that all cities had to put in for pension reform, consistent with Governor Brown's 12-point proposal and subsequent legislation. That created the opportunity for us to lower our annual pension costs by $1 million a year over the past three years. And as every tenured employee leaves, a new employee comes in at one of those two lower pension levels, which have significantly lower annual required contributions, significantly lower actual pension costs, the things that really affect the city's budget. And so the budget that goes forward does not anticipate losing any tenured employee, but over the past two years we've lost five or six. So we've been able to reduce our costs, reduce our liabilities and go forward. We are nowhere near experiencing a $1 million increase in annual pension costs. That was an emotional extrapolation. |
| 02:50:52.99 | Unknown | in at |
| 02:51:35.45 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I have a follow-up question, Mr. Mayor. So what is – we know that CalPERS next year is starting their increase, you know, 50%. increase over the five years. What does that increased payment look like for us every year? |
| 02:51:50.99 | Charlie Francis | If, well, Our residents and the city council and everyone can certainly welcome to go to the Sausalito.ca, open gov.com website and your complete budget by line item by purse cost is all laid out within that budget and people can download those numbers and put it right into their Excel spreadsheet. I don't have that number right at the top of my head. We can go and pull the budget presentation down from two weeks, three weeks ago and look at that, but I don't know. Do you have a ball? |
| 02:51:53.07 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | A resonance. |
| 02:52:21.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Do you have a ballpark? Is it half a million? Is it $200,000, $2 an idea? Anymore, please. |
| 02:52:26.35 | Charlie Francis | dollars. And I do. |
| 02:52:27.95 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:52:28.71 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, I mean, this is a big deal. We talked about it. |
| 02:52:29.06 | Adam Politzer | I mean, |
| 02:52:32.89 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, but do you have a range? |
| 02:52:37.18 | Charlie Francis | Well, I can say it's less than a million, and it's more than a buck. Now, I would put it way, way down at the lower end and the, uh, um, I'm not going to guess. I'll send an email to the city council tomorrow and let you know what that is. And also refer you to the website so you can validate it yourself. |
| 02:52:55.24 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:53:00.05 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:53:00.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:53:00.99 | Mayor Withey | Okay. Any other questions? |
| 02:53:02.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:53:03.07 | Mayor Withey | I'm sorry. |
| 02:53:03.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:53:03.49 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:53:04.67 | Unknown | Thank you, Mr. Trump. You're always there. Yeah. So, Charlie, as far as the $11 million in capital projects, I can't remember if that's the correct number over the next two years, how much of that is grant funded? I think it's over $7 million of grant funding. |
| 02:53:05.97 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:53:18.27 | Charlie Francis | A significant amount of it is from contributions or grants, things that are outside of the rec city revenues that they have. Again, if we look at our South Carolina OpenGov website, you'll be able to see that we really have a three-dimensional capital improvement program. The first dimension is what projects are we going to do over time. The second dimension is how much dollars are they going to cost. And then the third dimension is where are the funds coming from. So within the budget, within the details of the capital improvement plan, we showed that we only have about, if I remember correctly, about $900,000 annually of resources available for streets, for the street programs. We'd have zero available for storm drains, and we have maybe a couple hundred thousand dollars that's transferred from the general fund to the capital project fund for parks and for beautification projects. The rest of the money is purely dependent on us receiving a grant or receiving contributions for those projects. And those projects do not start unless we get that guaranteed funding, or that funding that would subsequently be guaranteed. |
| 02:53:18.66 | Unknown | Significant. |
| 02:54:08.41 | Adam Politzer | I'm sure. |
| 02:54:09.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:34.66 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor. Yeah, and so Charlie, when you look up that CalPERS payment, I know there's a difference between the annual CalPERS payment versus the liability cost per year that CalPERS estimates. There's not a difference. |
| 02:54:47.89 | Charlie Francis | There's not a difference. The annual required contribution by payments for the city is required by law to make it, and we do make it. |
| 02:54:49.73 | Alicia Laughlin | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:54:49.95 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah. |
| 02:54:50.16 | Alicia Laughlin | Thank you. |
| 02:54:53.50 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | The expense. Yeah. Yes, we are required by law and we do make it. But then there's another thing we talked about, the expense, that THE CITY STARTING NEXT YEAR, I THINK IT'S GASPY, Is it 68, 69 is going to be? including the full expense per year. In other words, right now the city says this is what we pay but not necessarily disclose what the expense is, what the full cost is, |
| 02:55:22.10 | Charlie Francis | Not at all. |
| 02:55:23.50 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah. |
| 02:55:24.73 | Charlie Francis | It's not a real number. It's a number that's made up annually based on two years of the historical data that actuaries used to come up with a number. The real number is the actual amount that the city is required to pay. |
| 02:55:24.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:55:36.95 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:55:36.98 | Charlie Francis | Thank you. |
| 02:55:37.03 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. Oh, well, okay. So anyway, I would be interested in the latter. I'd be interested in what the legislation is requiring us to report on next year. |
| 02:55:46.70 | Charlie Francis | report on next year. |
| 02:55:49.86 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, well, all right. |
| 02:55:53.27 | Mayor Withey | Do we have... And again, that's why I say it's a matter of... |
| 02:55:54.38 | Charlie Francis | And again, that's why I say it's not a real number. Somebody in another world has to calculate it based on a very, very difficult actuarial calculation that makes all different assumptions that make sense to an actuary. But to a finance officer, what matters is what do we need to balance the budget? |
| 02:56:16.13 | Mayor Withey | Okay, thank you, Charlie. Is there any other questions before we... Thank you. Wrap this matter up. No. Okay. Comment period. We've got three minutes each. Let's... |
| 02:56:31.44 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I'll start with you. Say what you want to say. Okay, I really don't support this. I think that this is, there is no way that we are guaranteeing these funds will be reserved for what we're telling people we're going to be spending them for because they're not earmarked. |
| 02:56:32.77 | Mayor Withey | Say what you want to say. |
| 02:56:50.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | They're just going to go into the general fund. I think if we were serious about this, we would earmark them for storm drains and roads and the things we say we're going to spend them on. And up the bar at the two-thirds mark. personally do believe that this is to compensate for the pensions. I'm going to look into that a little bit more, research that a little bit more. I know the costs are going up tremendously. by CalPERS next year increasing by 50% the payments over the next five years and it's huge. We learned in the last actuarial report that our unfunded pension liability for Sausalito is $22 million And it's something like 40 million if we apply the current more conservative rates. So, you know, I'm very, very concerned about this. I don't also like the fact that we are hitting our small businesses in town and that we're also hitting residents as well. So, I just don't think this is the way to go, and I hope that we don't move forward with it. I think this is upsetting a lot of people. |
| 02:58:19.08 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Well, first of all, we're the ones that make sure where the money goes. and... Well, maybe you don't, but we do. All right. You know, we've been kicking all of our infrastructure for years down the road. Every 10 years, it almost doubles the cost to do it. let's stop fooling ourselves and let's go what we've been doing for the last five, seven years and that's improving our infrastructure. You talk about Mill Valley. Go over there and take a look at Miller Avenue in Blythedale. You're on a third world road. So. WE WILL AS A COUNCIL make sure that that money goes for what we say it is. |
| 02:59:16.46 | Charlie Francis | Okay. |
| 02:59:19.18 | Unknown | Yes, no, Maria. |
| 02:59:20.39 | Charlie Francis | Go ahead. |
| 02:59:22.43 | Unknown | I'm still formulating. |
| 02:59:24.09 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. Thank you. Well, I support going forward on it. No one likes additional taxes, but this is an opportunity Thank you. gather funds for capital improvement projects, and We talk about storm drains and infrastructure improvements. Those are our most immediate needs. The reason we wanted to go to the general fund because we have ADA potential things that come up, People have talked a lot on this council about paying down our pension debt. It gives us flexibility to do whatever this council thinks we need to do. Most of it is sales tax is the most efficient way to get this because, first of all, as Charlie said, probably half of it is paid. by tourist dollars. So that means every time that we pay a dollar, we get it subsidized by tourists. But also as we go along, when we go to San Francisco or anywhere else in Marin or most places in Marin, we're going to be paying the extra half cent. It just brings us up to par. And, uh, Thank you. And the other thing, one of the things, as he mentioned, on the 2% that local and county and local taxes Um, There are other proposals out there, and at some point, we might be paying this extra 2% and the money won't be going into our conference. So I think it's an opportunity. for us to tackle projects that and really bring Sausalito, its infrastructure to where it should be. |
| 03:00:51.01 | Unknown | Thank you. Let me say that it's no joy in increasing any sort of tax or fee increase. But the reality is, these are going to pay for things that have to be paid for, and they've been deferred for many decades. And they affect the environment we live in and our quality of life. And with that being said, and we don't have the money to undertake a lot of these capital projects in a reasonable period of time without additional revenue streams. As far as where the money goes, 56% of the people polled, and they called, I think it was every resident in town at least seven times or some number like that. And the people who actually answered the phone, it wasn't me, let them answer my phone at home sometimes, especially when I'm putting my kids to bed, which is around when they called. um, approved of the fiscal management, not just the two-thirds that approved that Sausli was on the right track or the 77% that approved that we're doing a good job providing city services. So 60% of those who answered the phone who undertook the survey And it was a statistically significant number based on the size of registered voters as supported the sales tax. And it's, you know, rough calculations, $70 per head per year. Thank you. Now... Yes, there have been a number of measures that have gone through, whether it's a sewer tax, a public safety building bond issue. projects. Other than that, we have not increased the taxes or partial taxes or any other sales tax since I think the TOT tax in 2008. And we have not increased the tax tax, the four, three, two, somewhere in there before my time. So, you know, you can't, the reality for all municipal governments is that the cost of doing business, and that's not just the pension costs, increase faster than our revenue streams are growing because of the way Prop 13 and other things are structured. So we have to have some way to meet the capital improvement costs that we have to do in a reasonable period of time, both as stewards of our environment and as provider of services and infrastructure for our city. So, and this is one where it's shared more equitably than others, and because it's a consumption tax, and that to me is one of the more bearable things that we could do to kind of spread the cost of raising this revenue over the more appropriate fashion of raising it than some other mechanisms. |
| 03:02:41.25 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:03:34.09 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. I would just add a couple of things. It's very clear to me where the money is going to be spent if it moves forward. For your future reference, look at page 150 of the budget. It contains a table with a lot of red ink, and it's the unfunded capital project. A portion of those, hopefully, can be funded with the revenue that we raise through this measure. I don't like taxes, but this will provide a strategic flexibility in revenue sources that we need for capital improvement projects. So I'm supportive of this. |
| 03:04:23.18 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Mr. Mayor, I'd like to give a quick rebuttal. So what I've just heard just pretty much confirms my concerns on this. I heard one council member say that, well, we are going to control how we spend this, implying that it would go to storm drains. and the other infrastructure issues. I heard another council member say, quote, well, it goes to the general fund, so this gives us the flexibility to do whatever we need to do. That to me is really the crux of this and this is why I think this is a pension tax not a sales tax, that this is about whatever we need to do. It's going in a general fund, a very big pot, Whereas we're telling people this is going to fix storm drains and sewers and roads and there's no protection to save and preserve those funds earmarked for those infrastructure needs. And speaking of spreading the burden around, let's start taxing the tour bikes. Let's put a fee that I mentioned before, an infrastructure fee on the tour bike rentals. So that they start compensating. I mean, that's where we should be looking at. |
| 03:05:34.00 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Okay. Could we have a motion? |
| 03:05:42.71 | Mayor Withey | What exactly is the motion you want us to make? |
| 03:05:49.85 | Charlie Francis | motion action would be to direct staff to prepare a resolution and an ordinance and bring it back at your July 22nd City Council meeting. That's the recommended motion. |
| 03:05:59.43 | Mayor Withey | Okay. So I will make that motion. Do I have to repeat it or okay, we know what motion we're making. I'm going to make that motion. Do I have a second for my motion? |
| 03:06:15.75 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Second. |
| 03:06:16.93 | Mayor Withey | Okay, let's have a roll call, please, David. |
| 03:06:24.00 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Councilmember Fiverr. No. |
| 03:06:25.39 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | you |
| 03:06:25.56 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Council Member Weiner. |
| 03:06:27.21 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Thank you. Thank you. Doubt and fear. Yes. |
| 03:06:29.84 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Council member Leone? |
| 03:06:32.90 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Yes. |
| 03:06:34.62 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Vice Mayor Theodorus. Yes, sir. |
| 03:06:40.58 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Mayor Whitney. |
| 03:06:41.94 | Mayor Withey | Yes. Thank you. |
| 03:06:44.71 | Debbie (City Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 03:06:44.83 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:06:49.66 | Mayor Withey | That covers both of them. Yeah. Okay. Okay. |
| 03:07:02.18 | Mayor Withey | We, yeah, okay. City Manager, information for Council. Bonnie Jean, thanks for coming tonight. |
| 03:07:23.76 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, just two quick items, and they're just related to the upcoming schedule of council meetings. We have a special meeting next Tuesday. The sole item will be related to the housing element, and then we'll resume with our regular meeting on July 22nd. And then we'll take our recess in August, recommend that everyone plan their vacations accordingly. and take some well-deserved time off. Spend time with loved ones, family, enjoy Sausalito. or neighboring cities, but definitely take the time to refresh. I also wanted to congratulate the Park and Rec Commission, the Park and Rec Department, all of their volunteers on an outstanding Fourth of July celebration. We received several notes from the community just saying that just really well organized, well attended, and a lot of fantastic times had by all involved from the participants in the parade. people that watched the parade, people that showed up at Dunphy Park. people that sold food and beer and wine at Dunphy Park, to the people that ended up at Gabrielson Park at the end of the night to enjoy the fireworks. It's a very long day for the staff and for the volunteers. A lot of work goes in well ahead of time to coordinate all of those three very separate events. They did an outstanding job. So to Aaron and Mike and the rest of their team, my congratulations to them on yet another great year. I know right around the evening of the fireworks, we had raised the money, or were close to raising the money, covering the costs based on the attendance, all the tables selling a parking lot where the Maddens allow us to use their parking lot to sell additional parking spaces, all that money goes back to the fireworks fund and then normally, you People like to see the fireworks before they write their check. There is a group of folks that wait until afterwards. So usually over the next two weeks, money rolls in. But I would imagine that we exceeded what we needed to cover the costs. But again, just wanted to recognize their outstanding work. |
| 03:09:41.29 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Do we have any questions on the City Manager's report? Any public comment on the City Manager's report? I see none. Excuse me. Let's move on to Council Member Committee reports. We have one Among our ad hoc, we have one specific update on the agenda from |
| 03:10:07.65 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Well, two things on the Park Service thing. On the first one, on June 17th at our bike and ped, committee report, we talked about Vista Point and the idea of reopening the Vista Point Road so we can take bicycles down to Fort Baker for safety purposes. And actually this council directed us to work with the GGNRA and the Department of Transportation to have the Vista Point Trail reopened. |
| 03:10:19.31 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:10:19.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:10:19.50 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:10:34.40 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | We had the last bike and pet committee meeting, we had the person from the Park Service who's driving this project and apparently they're the main THE DRIVER OF IT, ALTHOUGH THEY NEED THE BRIDGE DISTRICT, CALTRANS, COUNTY, ET CETERA TO WORK. And what I'm looking for is, and when she presented the bike and pet committee meeting and she saw how receptive and supportive we were, we are the only city that would be, if you think about it, because it comes down in here. So she was very optimistic. So basically I'm looking for authority for either the mayor, CITY MANAGER MAYBE AT TIMES DEPENDING ON WHO WE'RE WRITING TO WRITE THE BRIDGE DISTRICT, THE PARK, AND OTHER AGENCIES IN SUPPORT OF THIS. SO THAT'S ONE PART OF THE REPORT. AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR CONFIRMATION FROM COUNCIL THAT WE'D WRITE SUCH LETTERS OF SUPPORT. So. |
| 03:11:26.42 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I personally don't support opening up the Vista trail for bikes. I'm concerned about environmentally and the impact of that. |
| 03:11:32.60 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | the impact on that. They'll be going through historic impact and that kind of thing. But I think in general. |
| 03:11:41.51 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I still don't. |
| 03:11:42.35 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Yeah, so we'll note that. Any other objections? No, we'd rather have them. |
| 03:11:42.49 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, we, well, |
| 03:11:46.30 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | No, we'd rather have them come down to Alexander and almost lose their life. |
| 03:11:50.62 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | That's not going to divert them. |
| 03:11:53.79 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Yes, it will. |
| 03:11:54.42 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, it'll go. And what they will do is they will come |
| 03:11:55.87 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | It actually. |
| 03:11:56.65 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | And what they will do is they will come up on a flat surface at the stop sign. Well, I knew you got to run. |
| 03:12:00.98 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I know it is. We had to debate last time actually. Right, exactly. So it's just to write, all I really want to do is be able to write. Right. And then the second part, again, this is, |
| 03:12:02.15 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | No. |
| 03:12:02.67 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Good night. |
| 03:12:02.99 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | We are. |
| 03:12:03.28 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | the debate last time I |
| 03:12:04.41 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:12:04.48 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Right, exactly. |
| 03:12:05.23 | Unknown | . |
| 03:12:05.27 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Bye. THE FAMILY IS |
| 03:12:09.92 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I'm checking with the council for authority to... POSITION, PARK SERVICES HAS AN ALCATRAZ EMBARCATION plan going. And it's at the early stages and they reached out to a few people, but I mean local entities. And then they're going to put the plan out to the public. We'll have another chance to comment. But basically they're going to move the, for Alcatraz, they're going to move from, I think they're currently at Pier 3, 30 41 and they're gonna move it either to 31 and a half or another |
| 03:12:43.30 | Unknown | one. |
| 03:12:47.42 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | SITE ON IN SAN FRANCISCO, WHICH IS NOT A PROBLEM. THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOVING THAT. THAT'S THE MAIN PART OF THE PLAN. BUT AS PART OF THIS PLAN, THEY ALSO PROPOSED HAVING A FERRY THAT WOULD NOT GO TO ALCATRAFT, BUT GO FROM THIS NEW EMBARKATION POINT IN SAN FRANCISCO to Fort Baker on a limited basis for special events And I think we should probably put in early on, and I think we should continue to make comments that we prefer not to have ferries going out of Fort Baker. I think it's an early stage, but I think it's important to note that we, we're not in favor of having any ferries go because they might start with special events and of course we'd cite traffic and other concerns about that type of thing. Any questions or comments? So we would, again, probably, we would make comments to the Park Service. at various stages of the plan. The first one would be actually in the next week, but then it would go, it would revise their plan and bring it out to public comment. It would again make these public comments. |
| 03:13:51.06 | Mayor Withey | How long do you think this process will be? Go on. |
| 03:13:53.88 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Go on, go on. Thank you. Well, they probably it's going to take they won't even send it out to public comments for a couple of months. But it'll be it'll be a year or two. But it's going to take a while. But they will do it. So we and once the plans pass and public comments pass, then we've missed our opportunity. By the way, they have taken off the Sausalito as a potential ferry stop. And that's based on a lot of input that was giving. Well, of course, the bridge district and the ferries made a big difference, but also Sausalito made input. I don't know. Adam, do you remember, but certainly a couple of years ago. And they've cited, and in their report, they say, we've looked at this and we're not doing this, and it shows some of the effect of that. I think we have to be careful about Fort Baker to make sure that they don't have any type of dirty surface. And again... |
| 03:14:40.55 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Again. |
| 03:14:41.29 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Right now they're saying it's... for special events only and only between Fort Baker and their embarkation point, not Alcatraz, but still I think it's a good idea not to have, to resist any ferries at all. |
| 03:14:55.94 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, can I just clarify, because I went the wrong direction on the pier. It's Pier 33. I was going the wrong direction. Pier 33 is where Alcatraz currently leaves from. |
| 03:14:58.15 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Um, |
| 03:15:07.13 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thanks. And Tom, regarding the National Park Service, you mentioned that you I have felt that the NPS workshop on Muir Woods had put a lot of what you called myth and misinformation to rest. And I was wondering if you could clarify that. |
| 03:15:28.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:15:28.49 | Dennis Riley | Thank you. |
| 03:15:28.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:15:29.05 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 03:15:29.10 | Dennis Riley | Thank you. |
| 03:15:29.12 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 03:15:29.86 | Dennis Riley | Well, |
| 03:15:30.97 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 03:15:31.14 | Unknown | member reports, you don't need to get in the back and forth unless you choose to. |
| 03:15:33.91 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I don't know if council wants, but that's not part of this. These are two specific items. I wanted Council to weigh in. I want to make sure that we |
| 03:15:42.03 | Unknown | I don't want to. |
| 03:15:45.27 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | have the ability to weigh in on these issues with letters from the city manager, the mayor, with council support and knowledge. |
| 03:15:53.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, with the Alcatraz Ferry though, would that, that would feed into the plans, the shuttle plans that the NPS has with regards to Muir Woods going from Fort Baker to? |
| 03:16:03.83 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | going from Fort Bailey. This is a separate plan for taking ferries to Alcatraz. |
| 03:16:10.72 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | And are these plans part of kind of a broader, the general plan with the NPS? |
| 03:16:15.49 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | With the NPS? Thank you. Well, I mean, I'm not the Park Service, so I just want to be clear about that. But this is specifically only Alcatraz-Ferri. There is the general plan that the Park Service has and they have specific plans. They have one relating to Fort Baker that we work with as the Fort Baker Task Force. This one is very circumscribed. This is about the Alcatraz Ferry Embarkation and it's basically, TO CHANGE THE... their point that they leave from San Francisco to Alcatraz. But this is an extra bit of it that we need to comment on. They've, you know, kind of a side piece that we want to make sure that we give our input on. But when I've read through initial draft and there is nothing else to it. I mean, it's on that, you know, there's many, many things they're doing, including the general plan. |
| 03:16:48.80 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:16:48.82 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:16:58.22 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Uh-huh. |
| 03:17:02.42 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, what is the timeline for the general plan that we should be aware of? |
| 03:17:06.74 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Well, Okay. |
| 03:17:07.52 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | What is the timeline? I'd like to know. |
| 03:17:10.01 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. I'll say, but my understanding again on here The general plan The public comment period has basically ended. And I think they may be entertaining some things on certain. Uh, areas including possibly Muir Woods, but I don't know. It's essentially been closed, but I think they may be reopening, but that's as far as I know, in very limited circumstances. |
| 03:17:34.58 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Oh, so they might reopen it. |
| 03:17:36.12 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I think they may be. I don't know the answer. |
| 03:17:39.17 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | That was a good one. |
| 03:17:39.21 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | I wasn't preparing that. I wasn't giving a whole park service thing. I had two items that I was. Thank you. But, I mean, I happen to know it and I'm happy to share it. |
| 03:17:41.72 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I had two. Thank you. |
| 03:17:43.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:17:47.00 | Mayor Withey | Okay, is there any public comment on the Council Member Committee reports? |
| 03:17:56.32 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. We're not going to speak to that. If you want to hand it, we can hand it up or you can hand it out. Yes. |
| 03:18:01.48 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | This is not part of this report. |
| 03:18:01.94 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Is this on this? |
| 03:18:03.37 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:18:03.56 | Mayor Withey | is. |
| 03:18:07.37 | Mayor Withey | This is not part of this. |
| 03:18:08.98 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | That was... |
| 03:18:09.23 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 03:18:09.36 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Oh, it's part of the general plan of the NPS. Okay. We mentioned that. |
| 03:18:12.22 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 03:18:12.23 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 03:18:12.26 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:18:12.79 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Thank you. |
| 03:18:12.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:12.82 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | We mentioned that. |
| 03:18:13.46 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:18:15.34 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Wait a minute. I don't think we should entertain this. This was not part of what was on the agenda. All right. |
| 03:18:22.20 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:18:26.05 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:18:27.74 | Unknown | respectfully, |
| 03:18:30.02 | Luke Tessier | Respectfully, there were comments and questions about the general management plan. This is something that Mountain Task Force has worked with extensively. |
| 03:18:38.20 | Mary Wagner | Can you state your name for the record, please? Yes, ma'am. |
| 03:18:39.97 | Luke Tessier | Yes, ma'am. Thank you. My name is Luke Tessier. I'm a resident of Tam Valley. I'm co-chair for safety, for communications, and for numbers on Mount Tam Task Force. There were some questions about the general management plan. The official public comment period for the general management plan closed July 1st. However, the GMP has not been officially signed. So. They have stated a position that they are not officially receiving comments but from discussing with our attorney, Morrison Forrester, the understanding is that they are required to process and record public comments. as far as the fairy situation goes. The General Management Plan specifically mentions that we could have, which means we intend, which should be read as we intend to as it becomes convenient for us to do so. Ferries coming every 10 minutes to San Salido, specifically for the purpose of serving people going to Muir Woods. And the intent specifically outlined in black and white in the general management plan is to have those ferries link up with shuttles that would go from the Sausalito ferry up through Tam Valley. panoramic. near woods, Stinson Beach, near beach, and basically have a hop-on, hop-off style of shuttle. That's also specifically described in black and white. I understand not having read the entire thing because it's 780 some pages, I believe. So it's quite a hefty document. They've also changed the names since the last discussion we had in September. as far as the June 18th meeting Our experience has been that many of the questions we asked and came to that meeting with were simply not answered. And in spite of numerous efforts to find out the answers to those questions, we simply did not get responses. I can tell you that part of What we have found is that the same proposals that were allegedly shelved in 2005 due to a two-year community process were again brought up in 2013 in September with only a two-week public comment period allowed until we involved Congressman Huffman to extend that period. And those processes were again brought up in the general management plan. spurring the letter that I provided you from Congressman Huffman. So again, we would be happy to discuss with you at length and fill you in on the details we have. |
| 03:21:39.84 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 03:21:40.89 | Luke Tessier | I also have a letter for you from the residents of Town Valley asking eight important questions. Thank you, sir. Which have not been answered. |
| 03:21:41.80 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 03:21:46.95 | Mayor Withey | Thank you, sir. |
| 03:21:50.00 | Luke Tessier | Thank you. |
| 03:21:50.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:21:50.17 | Luke Tessier | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:21:51.47 | Mayor Withey | Yeah, you're good. |
| 03:21:52.48 | Luke Tessier | Thank you. |
| 03:21:54.64 | Mayor Withey | Good evening. |
| 03:21:55.22 | Sue Mattson-Krings | Good evening. My name is Sue Mattson-Krings, and I'm a resident of Tam Valley also. I just wanted to briefly comment on the meeting, the June 18th meeting that I attended, the NPS and the General Management Plan. I went in with a lot of questions to that meeting, and I left feeling like I almost had more questions than when I first came in. So just to outline a couple of those questions, one of the most important questions I had was whether the NPS would put a sustainable cap on the number of visitors to Muir Woods. And although this question was asked numerous times during the it was not answered. And I take that to mean that the NPS does not plan to put a cap on the number of visitors, which has all kinds of implications for our community and potentially for Sausalito as well. Another question that I had that I wrote out on the card that was provided to us was, what about local residents? How do we figure into their plan? This was never answered. And in thinking about them talking about a reservation system where 90% of the visitors would have pre-reserved spots, |
| 03:22:37.84 | Mary Wagner | numerous. |
| 03:23:24.54 | Sue Mattson-Krings | and that there are 145 legal parking spots available, it means that there's maybe 15 spots available for us in these communities. So there were a lot of questions. I know it's late and I wanna be brief, but thank you for your time, appreciate it. |
| 03:23:45.21 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 03:23:45.63 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:23:45.85 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 03:23:45.87 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:23:45.88 | Mayor Withey | Yeah. |
| 03:23:45.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:23:52.21 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, we've been hearing a lot about this recently. I would suggest that if the council wanted to hear from the Park Service, they bring them in. They've been meeting regularly with environmental groups, and there are answers to some of these questions, but they're not all answered. My other question is, why would we not want shuttles rather than having cars coming through our community? So we have to decide how we really want to have these things handled, but they have been very forthcoming with at least one environmental organization that I sit with, that I've sat with the planners and we've discussed some of these things. |
| 03:24:32.59 | Mayor Withey | Thank you, Vicky. Okay, so please, let's bring this back for comment. |
| 03:24:41.35 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Well, a couple of things. Actually, I have been through the entire general plan relating to anything relating to Sausalito. I put in search terms for both Fort Baker and Sausalito. They tell you categorically there is nothing in that plan that says there are going to be shuttles every 10 minutes. This is not a debate. You've had your time. Um, And I encourage anybody who wants to, it's online, to go through the general plan and you can take a look at it. You can take a look at it in the, soft copy and you can put in search terms to make it easier, but I can tell you there's absolutely no increase in shuttles whatsoever. I also want to talk about the June 18th meeting, having sat through it. We had our city manager sat through it and Council Member Pfeiffer was there as well. Certainly that went on for two and a half hours. We actually have it on our website, correct? |
| 03:25:14.75 | Adam Politzer | tell you. Thank you. |
| 03:25:35.30 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | We have, is that correct, Adam, or we will? And we also have letters from our Congress people and council. I really, rather than debate this, I really encourage everybody to look at these tapes and you see it yourself. And I can tell you, and I've talked to people as opposed to what Mr. Tessier has said, there are many people who felt satisfied. Of course, there were 200-some people, yourself and others, some may not. There were probably 10, Park Service people, we had our supervisor, Kate Sears, Steve Kinsey, another counsel, County. supervisor there. You should go through it. I think these questions were asked and answered. Many of these same issues that were brought here, including Mr. Tessier coming some meetings before and saying that Park Service was going 2.4 million residents, which is wildly out, were addressed and answered. So rather than a debate, I really recommend people do that. Take a look at this tape. It's also on the media center's line as well. I think at some point we have various park service issues that we need to go over. Fort Baker, probably Vista Point, we should have them here on certain things because there are parts of the plans that we have to monitor and watch out for for the shuttle as they monitor it. Right now, we have a lot of things that we have the the park service, the reservation system, they're going back to it. And I guess they're going to come out with it again probably in late summer. We'll have another chance to comment. The parking lot is gone. Many have said it's gone. But I also just, talking about Mr. Huffman's, Jared Huffman's, letter. This was written for the June 18th, it's dated June 18th and it's written and one part of it is, the focus of tonight's discussion is to discuss the reservation system, to hear about the parks proposal and the underlying reasons and analysis for a need of a reservation system. I believe the Park Service intends to reduce vehicle traffic using this tool by 50% overall and 20% at peak times. I just want to say this because many have said that they're trying to raise it, and I think most of the people have looked at it and our leaders understand that they're trying to work to reduce the traffic. That's all I have to say. And we'll have something probably in the fall with the park services. |
| 03:28:03.97 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Any other comments on this issue? |
| 03:28:08.98 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, I'll just comment briefly because I was at the Muir Woods National Park Service workshop, and I will concur that There were a lot of questions that I respectfully disagree. I think there were a lot of questions that were unanswered. Online reservation systems have been shown to increase and I know that there's no cap right now and so, and I've also seen the presentation that was delivered in September of 2013 showing the plan for increased shuttle service from Sausalito. The public comment earlier by one resident saying, why wouldn't we encourage shuttles instead of cars? The issue is not these are tourists. They're not, we're talking about people coming from the ferry and getting on these hop on hop off buses which you know residents here have pretty much had enough of. We don't want to see a Even more traffic congestion added with an online reservation system that has no visitor cap. And this headache extends not only from Sausalito, but all through Southern Marin and Tam Valley. So I think that is the issue, and that's why I'm looking forward to hearing from the NPS representative. |
| 03:29:29.81 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | But let me – and I think this is something that others from Tampa – you just said you don't want a reservation system with no cap. Currently, there is no cap. As many people can go there as possible. They're going to have a reservation system with a cap. That's exactly what's – It's not a resolution. Yes, it is. You can't have. Okay, okay. All right. Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:29:49.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:29:49.22 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:29:49.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:29:49.25 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | THE END OF THE END OF THE Okay, I have been told the exact opposite, Tom, so I'll respect again. I look forward to having the NPS rep here so that we can ask these questions directly and get their answers. |
| 03:30:03.48 | Vice Mayor Theodorus | Good, thanks. Just one quick comment that we do have the I mean the transit system that has a Muir Woods shuttle. Thank you. specifically. That leaves Sausalito. It isn't just a hop on, hop on. |
| 03:30:23.66 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yes, and I think we're all talking about increases of numbers and traffic congestion. So again, it gets back to a future agenda item. |
| 03:30:29.67 | Mayor Withey | Okay. So moving on then to future agenda items, we already know one. Is there any others? that anybody wants to talk about tonight, any others? |
| 03:30:39.00 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I will add. like I have the last two times, the Marin City PDA, I think it's really time urgent to get that on the agenda. I would like to know more about that sooner rather than later. |
| 03:30:55.18 | Councilmember (Vice Mayor?) | Okay. Could you tell us why it's time urgent? |
| 03:30:57.04 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | and Well, because they're already... I guess I would refer to the ABAG representative here to answer that. But it's my understanding they're already looking at Plan Bay Area 2 and I know that they're looking at, you know, kind of next steps and next phases for that and I think any awareness that Sausalito can bring to the impact that a potential PDA in Marin City would have in Sausalito. I think I'd rather get to that information sooner than later, especially if they're already starting to talk about the next phase of Plan B area. |
| 03:31:44.10 | Mayor Withey | Okay. Any other reports of significance? |
| 03:31:48.76 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | I HAVE ONE MORE FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. OH, PLEASE. WHICH I THINK ACTUALLY, I THINK |
| 03:31:51.44 | Mayor Withey | Oh, please. |
| 03:31:55.46 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Vice Mayor Theodorus is going to be bringing up anyway with the bike, but the ordinance against riding bikes on the sidewalks, adults riding bikes on the sidewalks, it's a safety hazard. |
| 03:32:06.65 | Mayor Withey | Yeah. |
| 03:32:07.22 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:32:07.24 | Unknown | Steps are... |
| 03:32:07.97 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:32:08.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:32:09.00 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:32:09.03 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 03:32:09.06 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:32:09.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:32:10.11 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Okay, good. |
| 03:32:10.87 | Mayor Withey | Okay. Yeah. |
| 03:32:10.89 | Tara Tickner | Thank you. |
| 03:32:10.90 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:32:11.10 | Tara Tickner | Bye. |
| 03:32:11.31 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:32:11.46 | Tara Tickner | Thank you. |
| 03:32:13.42 | Mayor Withey | Any other reports of significance? If not, let's have a motion to adjourn. |
| 03:32:17.36 | Vicki Nichols | request for comment. Thank you. |
| 03:32:22.21 | Unknown | The agenda item I would mention would be to, you know, get the parks you mentioned, have the park service. |
| 03:32:28.08 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:32:28.82 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Yeah, you can give a public comment on future agenda items. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:32:32.55 | Unknown | Well, |
| 03:32:32.86 | Mayor Withey | Well, I mean, I defer to the mayor here. I'm running this meeting. |
| 03:32:33.26 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 03:32:33.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:32:33.30 | Councilmember Pfeiffer | Well, I mean, I defer to the mayor here. |
| 03:32:39.13 | Mayor Withey | Okay, if you feel the need, please. |
| 03:32:44.40 | Luke Tessier | I'll keep it brief, sir. Thank you. We would request that, at your earliest convenience, as identified, you do have the Park Service come and also give us, Mount Tam Task Force, an opportunity to rebut with an approximately equal amount of time. Three minutes against a 90 minute. multimedia, visual, canned presentation, presented by pantsuits and uniforms, compared to a three-minute response, simply does not cover the issue. They have nothing to fear from us other than the truth. And so we simply ask an equal opportunity for Mt. Tam Task Force and other organizations in the community to present the truth. in response to what they would like to present. Thank you so much. |
| 03:33:45.27 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Could I have a motion to adjourn? |
| 03:33:48.31 | Luke Tessier | Thank you. |
| 03:33:48.37 | Nersi Hamadi | So. |
| 03:33:48.64 | Luke Tessier | Thank you. |
| 03:33:48.73 | Nersi Hamadi | Thank you. |
| 03:33:48.79 | Mayor Withey | Thank you. Thank you. Okay, all in favor? Aye. |
| 03:33:49.76 | Nersi Hamadi | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:33:49.84 | Luke Tessier | Thank you. |
| 03:33:49.91 | Nersi Hamadi | Second. Aye. |