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| 00:00:15.05 | Ron Petrovic | Okay, nice to see you all again. I'm Ron Petrovic for everybody's reminder and for those new people sharing this steering committee. We've had quite a long time, so I could see some old faces. I could see the development director, Dan Castro, here. All right. And we have a couple packets of packs. Just to kind of go through those, we haven't gotten them yet. We've got the agenda for tonight. We've got the minutes from the last meeting we had, which was July 23, 2014. Six months ago. More than that, we also have a redline copy of the... This is a red one. Happy day, go to the end. in six months together. And more than that, we also have a copy of, a redline copy of the, this is redline copy of the report. So you can see what the changes were that were made since the last draft. And we have a copy of the current draft of the report. And then, we're going to see those here at the table. |
| 00:01:13.62 | Unknown | you |
| 00:01:27.85 | Ron Petrovic | And I think that's it. So we're gonna go through the... I could tell the administrative staff And that I can get into the meat of the discussion, which is reviewing the successful report. And the goal here is to kind of review this. Hopefully you have time to catch up and go through it again after the pause that we have here and get back up to speed here. I read it a couple times this week. And then we want to talk about the next steps, which is presenting this report and the committee's recommendation, which is what I think is a very important thing that we need to talk about the next steps, which is presenting this report and the committee's recommendation, which is what I think is a very important thing that we need to talk about tonight, and how we're going to present that to the State Council meeting, which we're going to be scheduling, I believe, for February, September, February. And we'll talk about that later on. |
| 00:02:12.06 | Unknown | you |
| 00:02:17.97 | Ron Petrovic | So, um... Let's take care of this administrative stuff here. So we've got to do a roll call, right? We'll do a roll call about the traffic. I'm here. |
| 00:02:33.27 | Tony | They're |
| 00:02:34.20 | Ron Petrovic | Dr. Theodoros, Jimmy Whitby, here. Matt Kelly, here. Leon Huffing, here. Joe Werner, here. All right, we're all here. We're all still here after six months. |
| 00:02:40.80 | Bill | Sure. |
| 00:02:44.87 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:02:45.22 | Bill | Yeah. |
| 00:02:46.94 | Ron Petrovic | I'm not sure if that was getting it. Okay. Approval of the agenda. |
| 00:02:47.84 | Bill | with it. |
| 00:02:52.09 | Bill | I'm second. |
| 00:02:54.22 | Ron Petrovic | as approved. I think I want to skip to if I may, approval of action. Thank you. for the minutes from the last meeting on July 23, 2014. |
| 00:03:09.34 | Bill | matter of normal procedure, you really should take public comment. First? Yep. Items not on the agenda. All right. There'll be nobody. |
| 00:03:18.03 | Unknown | Thank you. Items. |
| 00:03:19.91 | Ron Petrovic | I'm not. All right. We'll do that. So one thing I want to do before we, let's see if the mic is moved. Before we do public comments, not on the agenda, there's one thing I was asked to do, which is there is, as chairman of the committee, there's one sort of disclosure item that I want to put out there. And in the time that we have between now and the last time we met, July 23rd, 2014, I just want to let everybody know on the committee and also... The time that we have between now and the last time we met, July 23rd, 2014, is going to let everybody know on the committee and also the general public that my business, East Ceramics, has in that time started to look at potential expansion within the marine ship on our property there and also other properties in the marine ship because of our need for it and back-to-ring space. which is, I believe, for I think I'm wrong, an approved use in the membership. And only many batches are in space. So it's just kind of a new experience. I just want to put that out there, so that it's kind of |
| 00:04:21.12 | Adam Politzer | that. |
| 00:04:21.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:21.31 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:04:24.61 | Ron Petrovic | Okay, public comment on items not on the agenda. Anybody? |
| 00:04:33.85 | Ron Petrovic | Nobody. Okay. So moved. Okay, approved. Okay, so let's get into item number five. review of the assessment of the course. So hopefully, we all have had a chance to review it, get it back, get your heads back into it. And hopefully we can have some discussion with Charlie Knox, who's going to be able to want to. And we have a discussion between ourselves and I suspect it was Charlie. So apply lots of support so we can really kind of make that next step and take these to the council. I was going to, I thought we would start, Mike and I, last year Mike and I have talked about this a little bit, and reviewing the report, we felt like, A lot of it was in kind of a good state and didn't need any revisions. We felt like what we needed to talk about as a community tonight and with Charlie Knox was a section on options and a section on recommendations. And our main feeling that we wanted to really kind of focus the discussion on, of course, is there other things we need to discuss. We should bring that up. But if we go to section 2.6, Options for Next Steps, we felt that that could be... broken down into more clearly discreet options. And we also felt that it really needed to, as an overall experience committee, that we had to be very, very clear about, with these options, what we recommend and what we don't recommend. |
| 00:06:32.21 | Unknown | you |
| 00:06:39.60 | Ron Petrovic | And I believe that in the previous discussion that we have had, we have had, we've been recommending an MSP update as part of the general plan. Thank you. |
| 00:06:55.56 | Tony | I have a comment to make that's on the roadmap for future land and water use. It seems to me that sort of maps out where our next steps are, if we agree on. Right. I mean, rather than go through these options, just. |
| 00:06:56.66 | Ron Petrovic | Mr. Chair. |
| 00:07:11.10 | Ron Petrovic | Well, I think those are the key sections. And I have a handout here for the draft that we put together in thinking about how we might provide these options in the whole kind of field of guidance. I think it'll look at that. Thank you. |
| 00:07:30.34 | Ron Petrovic | This is a draft. Just make this a little more sustainable. |
| 00:07:37.97 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:07:50.76 | Bill | I just have a quick question. Do you want to jump straight to this? I've got some observations and comments that have to do with the document itself and various little editing things and things that could be picked up. I don't know whether you want to... DEAL WITH THOSE BEFORE WE GET INTO, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OF THEM THAT BUILD UP TO THIS. OR DO YOU WANT TO GO STRAIGHT INTO THIS OR WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? |
| 00:08:18.70 | Ron Petrovic | Yes. THE END OF THE END OF THE Okay. I don't know whether anybody else went through and |
| 00:08:24.24 | Bill | I don't know whether anybody else went through and red marked some things, but there were just a couple of things that that struck me as as being if they were carried on through, they were not very clear. |
| 00:08:40.47 | Ron Petrovic | it. Let's start with that and see how the future works. Thank you. |
| 00:08:44.29 | Bill | on the on Lilly's memorandum on the second page in the part that says potential circulation improvements. That's her memo. Um, Don't worry about it. A third of the way down, there's a line that talks about improvements that could help spur investment in business activity in the area and make it more inviting. And I'm just wondering what what is being referred to there? And that is inviting to whom or to what? Or is that inviting to? I think that ought to be we ought to |
| 00:09:33.07 | Ron Petrovic | The Press. |
| 00:09:34.96 | Bill | Yeah, something perhaps ought to be thought about on that one. On the next page, right at the top line where it says... |
| 00:09:35.67 | Ron Petrovic | something. |
| 00:09:42.40 | Ron Petrovic | Do you want to show me the contrast? |
| 00:09:45.10 | Bill | I, well, |
| 00:09:45.12 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:09:47.55 | Bill | MR. |
| 00:09:47.59 | Ron Petrovic | I'm moving back to the top one by one. |
| 00:09:49.48 | Bill | Okay. You know where I'm talking about Trump? |
| 00:09:53.15 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:09:55.94 | Charlie Knox | Mr. Chair, my recollection of that phrase was a remnant as much from the idea of pedestrian activity through the area as much as creating more street frontage that's accessible to people coming through, storefronts and business frontage and things like that. So the idea was not only would the circulation pattern make it easier to get deliveries to get people to your place of business, but it would actually create a streetscape, a things that front the street that look more attractive and draw people to them. And I think it's a subjective phrase and I'm not sure you need to have it in there. I mean, I think the rest of the sentence speaks for itself. |
| 00:10:40.54 | Bill | Yeah, the rest of it spoke for itself. It just seemed to me that there are those who would say we shouldn't be making it more inviting. That's just what I'm... |
| 00:10:48.15 | Charlie Knox | Yeah. |
| 00:10:49.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:50.41 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 00:10:50.48 | Charlie Knox | Yeah, I think it's a phrase you could live without. All right. |
| 00:10:50.50 | Bill | Yeah. |
| 00:10:53.85 | Bill | All right, so that's fine. |
| 00:10:55.52 | Ron Petrovic | And that's fine. The Pressure. |
| 00:10:57.77 | Bill | Just reconsider it, I think. I don't make a lesson by me. No, no, no, no. I mean, I think it's covered in more detail elsewhere. |
| 00:11:02.85 | Ron Petrovic | No, no, no, no, no. |
| 00:11:07.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:12.85 | Bill | Yeah, I mean, even if it stays here, I just wanted to bring it up for Mike. |
| 00:11:17.26 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:11:18.12 | Bill | on the next page, right at the first line, it says, as a basis for determining which land and water are appropriate. I think it probably needs to be land and water uses, |
| 00:11:30.62 | Unknown | for you. |
| 00:11:31.92 | Bill | The next page, the top line, economic sustainability study. |
| 00:11:37.66 | Charlie Knox | That's correct, there's a word missing. |
| 00:11:39.13 | Bill | Doesn't that need the word uses in there? I did read it. |
| 00:11:45.15 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:11:45.17 | Bill | you |
| 00:11:46.82 | Ron Petrovic | And then the next page, also, MSP steering committee recommendations, second line after recommendation. So it would read recommendations for the planning commission and city council to explore it. you Second line. |
| 00:12:09.27 | Unknown | I'm sick of them. |
| 00:12:11.71 | Ron Petrovic | Right after recommendations, that's been done. |
| 00:12:13.43 | Mike | Right at it. |
| 00:12:18.90 | Mike | By the way, on that part,. I believe it's like. One is for the. |
| 00:12:29.03 | Ron Petrovic | to further examine. It just kind of runs on and doesn't clearly do a few things. |
| 00:12:34.09 | Bill | Right. Yeah, there are a number of run-on sentences here that need to be |
| 00:12:37.23 | Ron Petrovic | that need to be. And that one, our key recommendations. |
| 00:12:39.89 | Bill | Absolutely. Absolutely. |
| 00:12:42.04 | Ron Petrovic | And the last thing we also talked about, Robert and I talked about changing the roadmap for future land and what it is to the toilet Thank you. |
| 00:12:52.64 | Bill | you I think that comes up in the back of it. |
| 00:12:57.43 | Unknown | Chair Petrovich, we didn't get the one committee member hunting about the uses |
| 00:13:02.36 | Unknown | one. |
| 00:13:02.68 | Bill | COMMITTEE. |
| 00:13:02.91 | Unknown | that |
| 00:13:03.13 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:13:06.49 | Ron Petrovic | You didn't get your corrections. OK. On the page that's headed MSP steering committee recommendations. |
| 00:13:08.89 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:13:09.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:17.11 | Ron Petrovic | And it starts out, edit June. Do you see that? Yeah. OK. Right under that, it starts out recommendation. |
| 00:13:30.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:30.37 | Ron Petrovic | You see, okay, instead of the word to, |
| 00:13:30.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:33.79 | Ron Petrovic | It should be for the Planning Commission and City Council to explore |
| 00:13:38.43 | Unknown | We got that one. There was one comment before that about uses and economic |
| 00:13:43.26 | Ron Petrovic | No, I didn't. The President. |
| 00:13:45.46 | Unknown | Yeah, that's a- |
| 00:13:46.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:48.07 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah, that's at the top of Thank you. has the basis for determining which land and water uses are appropriate. Got it. Thank you. |
| 00:13:55.68 | Unknown | Got it. Thank you. |
| 00:13:56.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:56.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:59.98 | Unknown | Thank you. I got it. |
| 00:14:02.74 | Unknown | you |
| 00:14:02.80 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:14:03.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:05.25 | Bill | Okay, I'll just go on to my next one. And the next one is on... On page 1.2 of the actual report, And this is something that seems to me that who's the audience for this report? And my concern is that under items of general consensus, the beginning of the second paragraph, it says the respondents generally exhibited a concern for civil infrastructure. Out. That's... What is that? I mean, I know what I think you mean by that, and that's all the civil engineering that goes into infrastructure, but civil infrastructure could means something quite different, like it's got to be nice to people or whatever. |
| 00:14:57.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:58.12 | Bill | And |
| 00:14:58.15 | Unknown | Uh, |
| 00:15:01.07 | Bill | So I think that if we're really talking about utilities and roads and so forth, that it ought to be civil engineering or it ought to be utilities or some other thing than just civil infrastructure. |
| 00:15:09.75 | Unknown | some others |
| 00:15:16.31 | Bill | um, And then in the fourth line there, it also says, also generally felt that reduction of water, air, and noise pollution is a priority, and the more green spaces and public space should be provided in the marineship. That's not a decent sentence. Maybe it should mean and that more. |
| 00:15:38.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:39.29 | Bill | Okay. The next paragraph, the second line, it talks about bicycle uses should be favored and upgrades to the trails. What's the trail? |
| 00:15:55.68 | Bill | we're inventing something that ain't there. So it ought to be described in some other way. |
| 00:16:02.19 | Charlie Knox | If I may, I think there could be. |
| 00:16:06.29 | Ron Petrovic | I'm going to ask you what Charlie was and you know, it was specified. |
| 00:16:08.01 | Bill | Yeah. |
| 00:16:10.93 | Charlie Knox | Yeah, I think my recollection of the specific comment from the public was where the path along the water goes from the wetlands out south towards the Bay Model and has to go around the structures. |
| 00:16:22.75 | Bill | Right. |
| 00:16:25.04 | Charlie Knox | So it sounds like it's a formal trail, but. Do you want to say path to the two areas of the waterfront path or waterfront path areas? |
| 00:16:25.19 | Bill | It sounds like. |
| 00:16:31.84 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 00:16:32.52 | Ron Petrovic | The Pressure. |
| 00:16:33.60 | Bill | Yeah. |
| 00:16:33.85 | Charlie Knox | Thank you. |
| 00:16:33.87 | Ron Petrovic | you Thank you. |
| 00:16:34.39 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 00:16:34.51 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:16:34.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:34.88 | Ron Petrovic | you |
| 00:16:34.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:16:35.00 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:16:35.47 | Bill | existing pathways if you want to use the pathways. And then the following line, I think, gets a little more specific than necessary. I don't know that you need to tell them it needs to be crisp gravel. |
| 00:16:37.43 | Unknown | Good morning. |
| 00:16:47.98 | Bill | I mean, talking about you know, upgrade to a surface. Let's not design the thing now. That's not what this is about. |
| 00:16:52.45 | Ron Petrovic | Upgrade. |
| 00:17:00.38 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:17:00.39 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:17:00.41 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:17:00.43 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:17:00.53 | Mike | Go. |
| 00:17:00.97 | Ron Petrovic | But of course, I think, just to be sure, you're reporting what the interview said. Right, these are, yeah. They did as a factual thing. I mean, I agree we shouldn't. I mean, it's too insensitive about it at the time. You said various surfaces. |
| 00:17:06.01 | Charlie Knox | Right. These are, yeah. No. |
| 00:17:16.81 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah. |
| 00:17:17.59 | Bill | Yeah. |
| 00:17:20.38 | Unknown | you |
| 00:17:20.64 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 00:17:20.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:17:20.73 | Bill | you BILL? IT'S RIGHT DOWN ON 1.2, JUST BRACKETED. |
| 00:17:21.57 | Ron Petrovic | Please. |
| 00:17:25.71 | Ron Petrovic | I think part of the issue is that someone in your interview came up with the idea of a suggestion that push back in the census is probably not sent more appropriate to put those specific examples in the general consensus. That's right. That's my point. Yeah. |
| 00:17:35.97 | Bill | Yeah, right. Okay. All right. |
| 00:17:47.91 | Bill | That's right. That's my point. I think this ought to be a policy document, not a design menu. |
| 00:17:52.07 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. I think this is a good thing. |
| 00:17:53.87 | Unknown | THE BEST. |
| 00:18:02.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:03.15 | Bill | Thank you. Um, |
| 00:18:09.55 | Bill | Oh, and I won't go into that. |
| 00:18:24.97 | Bill | I think I'll leave the rest of the comments to when we get into the final. But anyway, those are just. |
| 00:18:28.21 | Mike | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:18:29.11 | Ron Petrovic | And you're right. |
| 00:18:29.41 | Mike | Thank you. Yeah, I want one more overview later on recommendations that we have the recommendations at the |
| 00:18:42.05 | Ron Petrovic | 2.6, we have options for the next step, and 2.7 recommendations. And I think we should be clear about these options and recommendations. I think those are consultant's recommendations. And then there's our steering committee. I think we should be clear about what the consultant's recommendations are |
| 00:18:57.96 | Mike | based on your work and what we're recommending is based on. So I think that you said it. And I might make that clarification now on. |
| 00:19:12.04 | Ron Petrovic | That's the thing where we need to get into it. I think that when we reviewed it, we felt like the recommendation of the steering committee, |
| 00:19:12.07 | Mike | We'll recognize that you saw. |
| 00:19:24.93 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 00:19:34.23 | Ron Petrovic | And so that's where we approach that there are 2.6 as options for next steps, maybe as options for next steps that the folks came up with. |
| 00:19:41.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:19:45.23 | Ron Petrovic | Um... 2.7 is really more recommendations to get to the . |
| 00:19:54.82 | Mike | Monday I suggest to say |
| 00:19:56.05 | Ron Petrovic | I don't do that as a committee. I think what you drafted and the other part is much closer. I like to do as far as I like it. Right. So, okay. So I think we need to get to a point where we need to be clear what the committee is recommending. And maybe that all sits in a little bit after, maybe that all sits in a little bit. Right. Yeah. So, I mean, to follow along on the point, Come on, come on. We've got a... If you're saying there's some recommendations from the consultant, which we don't agree with, and we need to say that. It's a recommendation. So in 2.7, there's five recommendations. The leaders were saying the recommendations were the consultant, and we're asking the question are any of these recommendations recommended to the committee or are we saying items 125 are draft recommendations for the committee with the advisory consultant. |
| 00:19:56.08 | Mike | I don't believe that. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:20:04.48 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:21:00.58 | Ron Petrovic | One day. |
| 00:21:01.49 | Mike | I just want to know what you're doing. The other option, by the way, is in what I was getting at, and we have to be clear that this is exactly what we're doing. I might recommend that Q7, to me, it's a consultant recommendation, because we don't want to walk over that or make it a direct. But then we have to say, and we accept each other. So that's what I view these other documents. |
| 00:21:01.52 | Ron Petrovic | I just want to move on to the door. |
| 00:21:08.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:21:22.21 | Bill | But there is a whole section in here on the marine ship specific steering committee's recommendations, of which there are like six bullets. |
| 00:21:28.12 | Mike | Thank you. OF WHICH THERE ARE Thank you. I want to. |
| 00:21:35.24 | Bill | I'm on 2.8, 2.9. Okay. 2-8 just yet. |
| 00:21:37.43 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:21:37.48 | Ron Petrovic | Okay, that's right. So then why don't you write these files as a result? Or at least because to me they're much different than I am. |
| 00:21:48.97 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:21:49.03 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:21:49.04 | Mike | I have a hard time taking this I would prefer to see recommendations from the |
| 00:21:58.04 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah. Secondly, we fix this by instead of saying the consultant team recommended by the I think it's the other thing. Change the sentence over in the 30th. The issue is specifically by the steering committee, the professional, the staff, the city, and the leadership specifically from the steering committee, from staff, city, and the consultants that they need to follow in the. So everybody gets. |
| 00:22:02.68 | Unknown | Yeah. Amen. |
| 00:22:31.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:22:31.89 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 00:22:32.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:22:34.76 | Ron Petrovic | you Yeah, I'm... Right. Yeah, no, that's what I was going to say. |
| 00:22:35.60 | Bill | Yeah, I'm... |
| 00:22:51.61 | Bill | Right. Yeah, no, that's what I was going to say. I think there ought to be some consensus drawn here. I think, you know, we've got to look at this. Is protection of the marine rails... something that this committee recommends as well. |
| 00:23:05.43 | Tony | All the time. |
| 00:23:05.89 | Bill | STRONGLY OR NOT STRONGLY? |
| 00:23:07.33 | Tony | I love that. That was our number one priority. |
| 00:23:09.18 | Bill | 30. The second one is the infrastructure analysis. So as a committee, do we think that's a perfect? |
| 00:23:11.15 | Tony | Thank you. |
| 00:23:16.93 | Ron Petrovic | Yes. So, you know, I thought we hammered those out. Yeah. |
| 00:23:21.62 | Bill | I thought we hammered those out. Yeah, I thought those five points were things that we actually agreed to, and I think that |
| 00:23:26.29 | Ron Petrovic | you |
| 00:23:32.30 | Bill | these further recommendations that are in here from the list of the steering committee, |
| 00:23:33.55 | Unknown | Jesus. |
| 00:23:37.55 | Bill | essentially elaborate on pieces of those five main ones. |
| 00:23:42.93 | Tony | Thank you. I'm having a problem with the discrepancy between these first points here, conclude which, if any, parcels require site-specific regulations and all these other things, dinosaur furry things. And then right below that, the roadmap for for what we're supposed to do. And the number one thing, to explore Maritime Center overlay for Marine Railways, something we can't delay. And he said, we All through this document it says we got to do this as fast as possible. And yet it doesn't even show up here under these recommendations. It almost looks like two separate documents. The two just don't match up. |
| 00:24:21.56 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah. |
| 00:24:26.32 | Tony | Yeah. Yeah, but then in these bullet points here, what happened to it? |
| 00:24:32.05 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:24:32.09 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:24:32.12 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:24:32.24 | Mike | Well, I see that. |
| 00:24:33.88 | Ron Petrovic | It's in the first place. |
| 00:24:35.43 | Tony | Well, I see that, but then these bullet points up here is somehow what... |
| 00:24:37.07 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:24:37.08 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:24:37.10 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:24:37.15 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:24:37.47 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:24:37.59 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:24:37.89 | Mike | . |
| 00:24:42.85 | Ron Petrovic | We've only built one's head of the program. So there's a change that the marine system is going to be up there. |
| 00:24:53.79 | Tony | Well, I think if I go down here to the roadmap for future land using, and it says number one, explore the maritime center overlay and marine rails, and it's 40 grand for us to pursue how we do that. You know, in my mind, that is the first thing we better do. The rest of this stuff is, you know, it's going to work out. We're going to do it. But that has to be done pronto. Yeah. |
| 00:25:18.24 | Ron Petrovic | It is. |
| 00:25:19.47 | Tony | Yeah, good. |
| 00:25:19.49 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah, good. I thought that we had prioritized, except I, I mean, item four and five in my mind should be reversed, but I thought that we had prioritized in our last meeting. So, yeah. Well, I mean, you look at the roadmap, and we've got, you know, I mean, I think the roadmap means a little bit of speaking about sharing it correct. You know, it takes us through the roadmap for what happens next. |
| 00:25:39.05 | Charlie Knox | Yeah. |
| 00:25:53.11 | Tony | Good. |
| 00:25:53.17 | Ron Petrovic | Good. |
| 00:25:54.52 | Tony | Thank you. Is that our recommendation then, the roadmap? Is that what we're all in agreement on? |
| 00:25:58.10 | Ron Petrovic | We were all in the room. Yeah, it's a road map that's in there. All right, good. But Tony, you've got to remember, this is not the Marine Rail Steering Committee. I thought it was. |
| 00:26:01.17 | Tony | All right, good. |
| 00:26:06.49 | Unknown | . |
| 00:26:07.26 | Tony | Well, I thought it was. You mean I've been serving on the wrong committee all these years? Perhaps, Don. I don't think so. I just want to make sure that it's. |
| 00:26:11.70 | Ron Petrovic | Perhaps, so. I just want to make sure That meeting is in the next room. It's down the hall. It says men. Whoa. Maybe we could put the options for next step to 2.7 and put the recommendations absolutely roadmap to 2.6 and we had the roadmap to the end of 2.7. |
| 00:26:19.03 | Tony | Thank you. |
| 00:26:19.11 | Charlie Knox | Thank you. |
| 00:26:20.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:26:20.66 | Tony | the hall and it says men's on it. |
| 00:26:23.72 | Unknown | it. |
| 00:26:24.04 | Tony | Whoa. |
| 00:26:25.98 | Unknown | What are you doing? |
| 00:26:29.47 | Tony | All right. |
| 00:26:32.88 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:26:39.78 | Ron Petrovic | Excuse me, we've got to play. Okay, yeah, let's start over again. |
| 00:26:41.59 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:26:41.87 | Unknown | you |
| 00:26:44.12 | Ron Petrovic | So switch 2.7 to 2.6, the exception of the world. |
| 00:26:49.97 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:26:51.04 | Ron Petrovic | Okay. |
| 00:26:52.98 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:26:53.03 | Ron Petrovic | So we went for 2.6 to 2.7, which is the option for the next step. and follow that with a roadmap, which is sort of a visual explanation of an acceptance. |
| 00:27:09.94 | Ron Petrovic | I think that there's a. Exactly. I think the two recommendations would be a piece that we should put them together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. |
| 00:27:10.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:14.24 | Mike | The Pressure Manninger. |
| 00:27:15.98 | Unknown | recommendation. Thank you. |
| 00:27:19.03 | Mike | Yeah. I think that comes before the recommendations. Because these are some of the options that were laid out. And then what we decided to do outside of them. So recommendations come out after. |
| 00:27:23.50 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah. |
| 00:27:35.60 | Bill | THE CONFUSION IS IN THE TWO SETS OF RECOMMENDATIONS. THE ONES THAT ARE LISTED AS |
| 00:27:36.79 | Mike | Thank you. I'm not sure. |
| 00:27:39.79 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:27:39.81 | Mike | Amen. |
| 00:27:40.31 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:27:43.60 | Bill | from my point of view, as a steering committee recommendations are kind of listing the grunt work that goes into making the first five work. |
| 00:27:50.02 | Mike | Thank you. You could have the first, you could say, here are recommendations. Here's our five key principles. Yeah. |
| 00:27:56.44 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 00:27:56.49 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:27:58.13 | Mike | But it does, it is more confusing to two different |
| 00:27:58.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:58.38 | Ron Petrovic | you Absolutely. |
| 00:28:01.62 | Unknown | you |
| 00:28:04.26 | Ron Petrovic | I think we'd like to solve it. How can we have options for this? |
| 00:28:06.20 | Mike | How can we have options for the next steps after we go ahead and get |
| 00:28:12.04 | Ron Petrovic | and business is accepted. I don't think there are no options for next steps. At first, I mean, I view them as options. Right. They're like options for action. Yeah, well, actually. And then the recommendations are not recommendations. They're really kind of next steps to get to the, and they're almost going to be the androids and the road map. It seems like the recommendations and the road map are the same. It might actually just be worth tossing out options for next steps to the home state and asking if I can talk about the strategy. Thank you. Thank you. were tossing out options for next class 2.6 and asking the question what the chapter would have been. Because what that content of section 2.6 is to deliberate the planning as to whether there is a specific plan to be updated on the plan. In conjunction with the general plan, how, you know, should it be that, what are, what do we, I would argue that I'm not sure if you've got that, that's the left to be unstable other than citizen portland but he's been through the general plan to ask the question, should we do just one or the other, whatever, and it may very well be that that's something you can't decide now because there needs to be so much city council in court as to what we do. Regardless, it's likely that the article of what we actually need to do in terms of our recommendations for how to proceed are necessary, whether we, no matter which path has eventually taken by the city council, the end of the leadership of the panel, or alone, or it's the end of the town alone, you've still got to do the same stuff. That's right, yeah. So maybe we just need to focus on what's the stuff we need to do, and we ask the question if we feel capable enough of to pick one of those options of moving ahead on the term or moving ahead with the general plan. If you want to say, yeah, we want to move ahead with the general plan, make it as a recommendation or just basically say, hey, city council, you choose here, but regardless, here's what we gotta do. I think we've agreed that if we do that, we do have to. So if we agree that, we should. |
| 00:28:14.25 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:28:18.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:18.43 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:28:18.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:18.52 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:28:18.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:18.63 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:28:18.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:20.04 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:28:20.17 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:28:20.90 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:28:20.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:20.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:21.00 | Adam Politzer | And I'm right. |
| 00:28:21.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:29:08.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:29:14.37 | Charlie Knox | All right. |
| 00:29:17.90 | Charlie Knox | Thank you. |
| 00:29:42.55 | Bill | That's right. |
| 00:30:19.71 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. I think that's hard. Thank you. And that's what the safe track is. So it's not the options for the next step, it's more options for the picture. Well, I see that as options and recommendations. |
| 00:30:31.51 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:30:37.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:30:37.73 | Ron Petrovic | And then we combine that with. The recommendation is. No, I hear that. It seems to me that you asked us the question first, and then we follow it with the question. |
| 00:30:58.44 | Bill | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:30:58.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:31:06.04 | Mike | is what you're going to do, then to answer your question. The question is, what are we going to do? We can look for one, two, three examples, two of which we don't like, and the third of which we're going to put the name in which we can proceed moving forward, and then, what follows next? |
| 00:31:06.83 | Bruce Huffing | Thank you. |
| 00:31:21.04 | Ron Petrovic | you |
| 00:31:21.12 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:31:21.17 | Ron Petrovic | ...... Thank you. three options and then we get into |
| 00:31:45.40 | Unknown | So if we get Charlie back to the Lord, we'll get to that. |
| 00:32:06.52 | Bill | The President, something bothers me about this. What bothers me about this is that It sounds like these five recommendations are essentially their goals, their objectives. And maybe that's what they ought to be called in here. And maybe they ought to be positive rather than Rather than saying protection for the marine rails, we should say one of the goals is to protect the marine rails. One of the goals is to analyze the infrastructure. One of the goals is to identify potential circulation improvements, not identification of, but to identify them. One of them is to perform an economic feasibility study. AND THE LAST ONE IS TO to identify those land uses that should be discouraged or discouraged. and call them objectives of the study. of further studies rather than calling them recommendations because that's what they are. They're positive statements of goals or objectives that we have determined that are appropriate. And that seems to me to be the strongest way to represent what we've talked about. |
| 00:33:07.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:33:19.38 | Ron Petrovic | you |
| 00:33:19.43 | Adam Politzer | Okay. |
| 00:33:19.70 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. So does that make any sense? The representation is that the range of specific plans should be updated either on its own or in conjunction with the general plan. And here are the goals that we will make a proposal to a federal plan. |
| 00:33:20.49 | Bill | Is that making sense? |
| 00:33:29.66 | Bill | grand. Exactly. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:33:33.98 | Mike | And what I would recommend, I mean, when you look at this MSP's three-to-three recommendations, that's what I said, one and two. One is, which I see as a standalone, is for use of a maritime center overlay. And two is whether we do all this analysis for the goal of updating the board of these policies and screening the general plan. And one thing I'm concerned, and I think those are two goals. And the other thing is hold on the general plan because what I'm a little concerned about is that we might look like we're spending money, $80,000 on circulation improvement. And if we don't see it as part of the general plan, it's just going to be some corporate system. And so we have to do it all together. And really stand alone, I think, outside of really appraising everything that's possible over there. |
| 00:33:34.21 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:33:53.27 | Unknown | And what they know, |
| 00:34:17.33 | Bill | Right. Well, the argument about the circulation and infrastructure improvements is in a general plan, that would come out in the EIR. |
| 00:34:28.72 | Mike | And that's what I mean. You have to do it. But I'm concerned about it. Did any of those piecemeals, they're likely to be a lady who's going to be able to make the commitment, and also would have to make the commitment to doing this, to all these things as part of it. |
| 00:34:38.90 | Bill | Right. |
| 00:34:39.25 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:34:39.32 | Bill | Thank you. Was that a fair statement, Charlie, that I just made? Anyway, I'd like to hear the consultant's comment about it. |
| 00:34:41.19 | Mike | The Press. |
| 00:34:48.60 | Charlie Knox | Through the chair, I think the question was, would you, in a general plan update, accomplish the circulation analysis as part of the environmental review? And the answer is twofold. First, you would do an existing conditions analysis that would be part of the existing conditions reports that set the baseline for the later environmental review, but also inform the policies in the plan. Then, when there's a preferred set of land use activities, which I'm guessing in South Africa would probably focus on the marine ship almost primarily, if not almost exclusively, then you would explore different alternatives like the maps that we've been, the aerial photograph map, where are the roads gonna go? Then you would take that and study that in EIR. So it's actually both of those two pieces. |
| 00:34:57.39 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:35:22.48 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:35:22.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:38.38 | Ron Petrovic | Shall we just confirm Bill's recommendation on taking the positive approach in the language also? I'd like to confirm that. And then I think maybe I'd like to perhaps hear from Charlie to consolidate what he's heard from us and what he thinks he's going to be, because that might be a lot more directed at him. |
| 00:35:47.54 | Unknown | I'm a good guy. |
| 00:35:58.16 | Charlie Knox | Thank you, yeah, let me see if I understand what I think you're saying. So I think what I've heard is section 2.6 is going to be retitled options and recommendations. We are going to start with either a list like the one that was provided tonight or something that basically said there are several options. |
| 00:35:58.18 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:36:25.55 | Charlie Knox | And then what I'm not clear on is are we going to say right at that point it is the committee's recommendation that the Marinship Specific Plan be updated as part of the future general plan process. So that would be the first. So we have those options would come first. And I would say the committee has decided to recommend the Council on Planning Commission this one. |
| 00:36:43.40 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:36:43.91 | Charlie Knox | Then we would say the objective of that update. So instead of it saying 2.7 recommendations, there would be a subheading here that would say objectives. |
| 00:36:47.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:52.83 | Charlie Knox | and per Council Member Werner's phrasing, we would take the passive language in one through five and make it active. And those would be the objectives of updating the friendship specific plan as part of the general plan update. Then we would move the roadmap to the next section and then follow the roadmap up with, instead of calling it the steering committee recommendations, just the details of how that's done, how the objectives are achieved. then... Following the roadmap, we would list the paragraphs you have there in between, the protection for marine rails infrastructure analysis that describe what those pieces would be like. And that would be a reconsolidation of that section. |
| 00:37:37.20 | Bill | Does that make sense to you? |
| 00:37:38.73 | Charlie Knox | Yeah. |
| 00:37:38.97 | Bill | I think that's fine. That makes a lot of sense. Christmas. |
| 00:37:41.55 | Unknown | because it's a good thing. you |
| 00:37:42.95 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 00:37:42.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:43.00 | Bill | you |
| 00:37:43.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:44.00 | Bill | I just know that's what consultants are here for, to put the screws to us if we're doing something wrong. |
| 00:37:47.27 | Unknown | it. |
| 00:37:54.55 | Mike | And where would we go? because I mean I think what I've heard is that it would kind of bring it down there. |
| 00:38:08.03 | Ron Petrovic | I'll take a good. Thank you. I was going to say before getting into the discussion, Does a stack or a garden have a stack with the answer in your question from an overall logistical or resource? Is there resource statements made in the US supposed to call? But if a stack were to do an analysis about how to mind the cost and appropriateness of all the extra problems with that mind, appropriateness of those interests that they're trying to run out of these things, |
| 00:38:30.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:38:49.81 | Ron Petrovic | Would there be any difference or would there be any addition or subtraction in your document? Staff will ask you on the staff before, you know, how you'll get there. Because I'm not sure, so I think staff's going to work. Staff should have it. Staff should have it. Yeah, I would hope. we're making up numbers. The big numbers are both about four. That's the question I'm asking. We can find out what is the question you want there. And Adam, you can find them there. Does the study need to be interested in the future? |
| 00:39:13.86 | Unknown | I'm very careful. |
| 00:39:14.92 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 00:39:15.04 | Unknown | of course. |
| 00:39:21.96 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:39:30.36 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Amen. time. you |
| 00:39:34.49 | Adam Politzer | Leon, can I just respond to Ray's question there? So the good part is that there was a break between July and January. And during that process, you know, we had the budget and we also prepared our strategic plan, which we shared with the council at its last meeting. And so, I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO AND I THINK THAT STAFF, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE THREE-LEGED APPROACH OF THIS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, ECONOMICS in terms of how we were talking about it at one point, of rolling the specific plan up into the general plan, and then later why it made sense to look at those as two separate programs, but working together as it went through the process. |
| 00:40:19.74 | Unknown | rolling. |
| 00:40:35.89 | Adam Politzer | We also had the benefit of having that conversation with Jeremy Graves before we left on what his recommendations were. which he said, You don't want to lose the specific plan but it makes sense to do the specific plan update at the same time as the general plan update for all the reasons you folks have talked about in the past. And then with Danny joining us, he was able to validate that same recommendation. So from the SAS perspective, we are, I think, in concert with what Robin has proposed here in terms of doing them together, how that works if they need to be staggered because the general plan is a much bigger process, but how we spend the money on some of these things other than item number one on the roadmap, the $40,000 review of the rails and preservation. The other ones make sense that they are in concert with the general plan. But until we get to the nuts and bolts of what that means and the costs, Yeah. You know, that's when the rubber hits the road. So that's why we've introduced the strategic plan to the Council to again show that the general plan is a priority and that the marineship specific plan has a relationship with that, an important relationship. And as we go through this budget process between now at the midyear review on the 24th, and then the budget at the end of the year, we're able to carve money to actually start moving forward with the studies. So I think once the hearing committee gives the green light that this at least looks like it's the right roadmap, the right direction, and the council says we agree, and we want to move forward, then staff, you know, will be able to take a little bit more of an aggressive role, and that's where Danny and Lily will play a bigger part in this, at least initially, to get us moving in that direction based on what the council states. The nice thing about Danny is he's recently just gone through this exercise of the update of the general plan where he was before in Sierra Madre, and some of the scary numbers that were being thrown out there in the past that it would cost us $2 million to do this. That wasn't Danny's experience. It wasn't the city of Mill Valley's experience. Middle Valley used their community development director to play a lead role in this. We have two very capable people, Danny and Lily here, that can play a role in it. And our initial estimate is less than a million dollars. Now, it can go up significantly more depending on the soscolytic way in terms of how many meetings we'd like to hold. and time that it takes. But I think that at this moment, with the steering committee, the council, the community and the staff, we have momentum behind us to continue to move this forward. And so we would concur that we would say the Morintia-Pacific plan should be part of the general plan update. |
| 00:43:46.93 | Ron Petrovic | So I wanted to just, that's exactly addressing what my comments were because in the options here, there are timelines dollar amount And I think before entering into any that function or activity will involve those, The budget has to be carefully thought through and planned and making sure that there are funds that can be provided and So I think that's exactly what you're doing. So that's good. And the way I see it, you know, having moved to a couple of budgets now and, you know, finance, maybe, we're going to have to be, you know, the council will be able to go ahead with the students to press the button. You know, we're going to be looking at the budget and maybe we can only do one study next year. And so our timeline ends up being quite a few years but because we've got a planning, a long term planning process now, we can not start mucking off the studies year by year and if we suddenly find that we're able to pull away together those things that gel, we will have a lot of people. |
| 00:44:40.44 | Unknown | you |
| 00:44:57.48 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:45:07.36 | Ron Petrovic | So getting back to a question I was posed earlier, seeing as I put a lot of this document, potential revisions for 2.6 together, where does this go? My recommendation is that this replaces in the entirety section 2.6, it's more or less the same idea that it consolidates and can be explicit in these recommendations. Thank you. Are you talking about this? Yeah. Yeah, the frame about the handout. This is... The places exist in 2.6. I think in section 3, one thing that is missing there is a dollar value for this update of the. And then I would also add, because I'm thinking, okay, so we can answer this. That's going to be one of our concerns. We've got to put up the big budget. How do a decision on this one's house? And we have one through number two, so we have number three. And then we, the road map, I think we need to verify the numbers of the road map and make sure that it's probably very tight. |
| 00:45:33.75 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:45:40.80 | Tony | Are you talking about this? Thank you. Thank you. This is |
| 00:46:24.96 | Unknown | and that's the only one of these generations. |
| 00:46:27.51 | Tony | What I'm not clear on is exactly what document, I mean, what are we going to present to the council as the recommendation? Is it going to be this road map or what is it? I'm not clear. Is it going to be this or what? |
| 00:46:41.06 | Ron Petrovic | So it's going to be, I mean, essentially 2.6 options and recommendations. We're recommending number three. It's written right now in this draft document. We're going to have a precinct, you know, anybody in the LDP necessary. And then the objectives, they're going to follow. And then the following objectives. Plus 345. 345. And then the roadmap has, yeah, and then the roadmap. the cost estimates, and that's something that the committee is presenting as a recommendation. Okay, I want to... and this other section, more detail on what the green rails really means, what the goal, objective, what infrastructure really means, and that's more background. |
| 00:46:47.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:47.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:47.41 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:46:50.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:50.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:53.35 | Unknown | you |
| 00:47:01.38 | Unknown | Thank you. I'm not sure. |
| 00:47:02.66 | Charlie Knox | you |
| 00:47:02.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:47:02.91 | Charlie Knox | voting for the president. |
| 00:47:03.42 | Unknown | But |
| 00:47:03.83 | Charlie Knox | No. |
| 00:47:04.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:47:09.21 | Tony | Thank you. |
| 00:47:09.24 | Charlie Knox | The Press. |
| 00:47:10.29 | Tony | you |
| 00:47:18.36 | Tony | Okay. |
| 00:47:25.48 | Tony | Thank you. |
| 00:47:32.73 | Tony | The way I want to be clear on this, the way I understand this, is that the first recommendation that we're going to to go for here is that we figure out a way to save these marine railways. |
| 00:47:46.96 | Ron Petrovic | The first recommendation is the update is that the merchant specific plan It should be updated, but it should be done so as part of the general plan update process. |
| 00:48:00.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:00.71 | Tony | I don't like that. I think it's way too foggy. I really feel strongly on this. If you get all of these mucky words here, I specifically think because of time constraints and what's happening right now, |
| 00:48:00.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:00.76 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:48:00.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:00.97 | Ron Petrovic | The President. |
| 00:48:01.98 | Unknown | The President. |
| 00:48:19.54 | Tony | that we need to put that. And then the rest can follow any language you want to put in there because it's going to get lost otherwise. |
| 00:48:27.97 | Unknown | I don't think it's a lot. |
| 00:48:29.96 | Tony | Well, you know, you keep thinking of switching on me. I just, I don't, I want clear language. |
| 00:48:30.24 | Unknown | Well, you know, you keep thinking of switching on these. I just, I don't, I... |
| 00:48:36.20 | Ron Petrovic | I want clear language. |
| 00:48:56.84 | Tony | Yes. |
| 00:48:57.02 | Ron Petrovic | He's not really like it. |
| 00:48:57.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:58.58 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:48:58.66 | Tony | Thank you. |
| 00:48:58.68 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:48:58.69 | Tony | Yeah. |
| 00:48:59.13 | Ron Petrovic | So that's okay. It also probably does need to be done in conjunction with understanding those differences in the slide. So if we just made a comment about this would be an activity that needs to be looked at immediately, and doesn't need to have a full planning process or have to do the general practicality in that. all. Everything should have a timeline set on it and you can place it as the number one timeline project. Well, I don't think we've got the time anymore. We've got the time or the expertise right now or the scope or money left that is installed. Yeah. Right now, do that or not now. |
| 00:49:21.81 | Mike | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:49:23.55 | Bruce Huffing | Thank you. |
| 00:49:29.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:29.80 | Unknown | you |
| 00:49:30.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:30.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:30.17 | Unknown | project. |
| 00:49:38.37 | Unknown | Yes. to do that or do that now. Yeah. |
| 00:49:41.66 | Ron Petrovic | But we're saying, okay, Marine nodes, do that first. You can do the other stuff alongside you, but don't start one until you've started marine nodes. |
| 00:49:52.34 | Tony | What I'm saying is if we don't make that crystal clear, I think there's so much muddy water in this thing that, you know, you can... |
| 00:50:00.34 | Ron Petrovic | that he's physical therapy. |
| 00:50:01.70 | Tony | Well, it is to you, maybe. I mean, I see this kind of stuff going on forever. And the Marine Railways are still going downhill, you know, and we don't really see that. We've got to take action on that. And then the rest of this will fall out. And we can take that action now, like it says in the roadmap. And I just want to make sure that doesn't slip away. |
| 00:50:23.53 | Ron Petrovic | I just want to make sure. Well, I like Ray's recommendation that you just kind of add something there, that this is something that you need to do independently and in a faster station. But I also agree, I think it's pretty peaceful. |
| 00:50:37.99 | Bill | Thank you. Let me ask a question of staff about this. Thank you. |
| 00:50:45.77 | Unknown | Where do you... |
| 00:50:46.02 | Bill | Where do we stand on the whole analysis of the potential historic district of the marine ship, which was being discussed initially? Is that being pursued or isn't it being pursued? And is the addition of specifically the marine rails which can be protected under historic registered protection if necessary. Is that in the scope of the work for what was being done or is there being anything done at all on the general historic district nature of this? |
| 00:51:36.17 | Adam Politzer | I don't believe – I'm trying to think about what's in the priority calendar and where that may have fallen down the list. based on recommendation from the Community Development Director at the time on what we had in front of it. Some of the other items that were on the priority calendar. And then as the staff changeover, you know, then those items just stayed flat. Um, |
| 00:52:05.18 | Bill | Okay, so in fact there is nothing? |
| 00:52:08.20 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I'm looking at Dan if he's got any other different opinions. |
| 00:52:08.23 | Bill | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:52:11.03 | Unknown | I'm on my board. |
| 00:52:12.82 | Adam Politzer | No, no, I mean, what Bill is asking, has there been any movement on this? Right. And if it's on your board, it'd be no. |
| 00:52:23.05 | Bill | In my sense, you know, this dream was so good. |
| 00:52:26.97 | Ron Petrovic | This is going to be a quick about that. Thank you. |
| 00:52:31.20 | Bill | Yeah, well, I just, you know, I don't, I wanted to find out whether or not there was anything else going on. I mean, obviously, we pursued the machine shop, the Pacific Lab Building. but we also know that, you know, that owner can infect to demolition by neglect. which is what's going on. So the same thing can go on in Joe Lennon's property. |
| 00:52:54.69 | Tony | That's what's happening. It is. |
| 00:52:57.46 | Ron Petrovic | I thought we discussed this in the sense of maybe having a side committee, and I thought we talked about Tony. possibly heading that up to look into specifically the rails on a historical landmark basis. |
| 00:53:17.30 | Adam Politzer | the store for that. |
| 00:53:20.73 | Ron Petrovic | I don't believe that was part. Personally, I don't recall that. I think that could be another committee or another project, but I don't think we're pretty much coming to the close of what our work is here as this committee in making a recommendation. Which I think is the appropriate thing, what Ray had said, and that's focused this. And so Rousseff has got something to say, and he's on the edge of his seat, and so am I. Thank you. Yeah. And so, so Rousseff has got something to say. And he's on the edge of his seat. And so am I. |
| 00:53:34.53 | Bill | which I think is the appropriate thing what Ray had said, and that's focus this. |
| 00:53:53.08 | Bruce Huffing | First of all, I'd like to thank you all for the time and effort you put in this. There's been more. intelligent conversation in the last year than I've seen in the last 25 years on this subject. I kind of want to bring it back to a broad-based... discussion here. I actually agree with your point number three. except for a couple points. I don't see why the MSP or, you know, why the Marineship Specific Plan has to be reviewed in conjunction with the General Plan because I think it is a General Plan review. I think the city is overdue. for a general plan review. Bye. maybe not state law, but at least state standards. We have specific zoning districts that are different than anything else in the city. So effectively, You can have a specific plan without having a specific plan just by zoning it differently. And... I... I think it needs, the reason I agree that it should be reviewed in the context of a general plan is because it's part of Sausalito. It's not solo and separate. It's not the marineship. It is part of the community. The only thing I object to in this is that it should happen within five years. I think there should be a statement that it should commence. within. a specific time period. and whatever it takes, it takes. But it's the commencement. of, the general plan review. that that should be a recommendation of this committee. Other than that, I think the marine rails fall into it. I think our concerns fall into it. I think the infrastructure falls into it. I think it all goes into it because there will be an EIR. which is the bulk of the money spent, by the way, except for staff time. and that will all come out in that process. So that's all I had to say. Thank you very much. |
| 00:56:11.03 | Unknown | Thank you very much. Thank you. Um... |
| 00:56:19.55 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:56:20.95 | Unknown | It's going to talk long at the booth. I don't think anybody can talk longer than Bruce. But I've been to all these committee meetings, and what is the Maritime Center overlay? I'm kind of missing that. Is that the Portland-Maine... |
| 00:56:24.13 | Unknown | Thank you. Um. |
| 00:56:26.66 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 00:56:38.03 | Unknown | Morro Bay, Gig Harbor. I'm not understanding what that is. |
| 00:56:41.80 | Bill | I'm not understanding what that is. |
| 00:56:44.85 | Unknown | Okay, because there's nowhere to define that in the report that I've been reading, so. I think the map, I think it is known. Well, I couldn't find it, so – and I wasn't – I didn't know what a maritime center overlay was, so maybe there could be some explanation to what that is. |
| 00:56:54.62 | Unknown | Why was it? |
| 00:56:59.33 | Adam Politzer | I don't know. |
| 00:57:05.07 | Unknown | Thank you. What did I do? |
| 00:57:08.17 | Charlie Knox | Sure, I'd be happy to. One comment too I wanted to make, Chair Petrovich. I think you may want to revisit one word in the potential revisions that you've listed, which is 1B. I think probably saying parcel specific zoning would probably be more the appropriate term there. |
| 00:57:09.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:57:19.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:57:26.24 | Unknown | you |
| 00:57:26.29 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 00:57:26.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:57:30.21 | Charlie Knox | So I think Chris is correct that the examples for how you would look at the marine rails... Lily, can we put that picture back up on this one? |
| 00:57:30.97 | Adam Politzer | Sure. |
| 00:57:31.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:57:41.80 | Unknown | you |
| 00:57:49.19 | Charlie Knox | So again, what we've been talking about with the Maritime Center Overlay is tying this particular area shown in red to an approach like the one that Chris mentioned about Gig Harbor, Portland, Maine, Morro Bay. Those are examples of how protection of existing working marine environments have been achieved. I think Steering Committee Member Werner isner is correct though that we would probably, I'm assuming that the community would probably want a specific approach that really relates to the marine rails the way they're set up now, which is not exactly the situation in Gig Harbor, Portland, Manor, Moravay or other places. So I mean, you're basically both correct. The Maritime Center overlay is just a name for what you would call something that could be done now, to come to our community member Badger's point. And how exactly it's done is really a matter of consensus from the community. So there's different ways to do it. |
| 00:58:11.62 | Unknown | you |
| 00:58:49.69 | Charlie Knox | What an overlay means is it's just a zoning instrument that says no matter what the underlying zoning might be, open space or waterfront or commercial, this specific area has a different set of rules. And basically all those rules would be are the things that were articulated in what's now 2.6, the paragraph on protection for marine rails. It just basically says that you could use deed restrictions or covenants or other kinds of tools, but those would need to be decided as part of the overlay. The overlay would have a description like a zoning district and would just say, in this area of marine rails, they were outlined in red. These are the specific rules. |
| 00:59:26.19 | Ron Petrovic | What kind of findings have to be made for that? |
| 00:59:31.36 | Charlie Knox | Um... I think the city council would need to find that the marine rails constitute a resource that's worth preserving in their existing state or in some enhanced or preserved state. And I think that could take a lot of forms. I'm not an attorney, and your city attorney would have to find. But I think once the council made that a matter of policy, then they could basically set up the zoning to do that. |
| 00:59:53.55 | Ron Petrovic | Is that a report that you could write? |
| 00:59:55.77 | Charlie Knox | Sure. |
| 00:59:56.09 | Bill | Thank you. It would be more like the historic designation that the San Francisco cable cards have. It is a designation that designates not only the object but the use and the operation, essentially, that says this must continue. And it is a historic designation. |
| 01:00:22.66 | Charlie Knox | And I think my final point, and maybe this is the cause of some confusion, is it doesn't have to be called maritime center, but the thinking was based on examples we've seen elsewhere, that got the point across that it's a place for working marine businesses and preservation of not just the rails itself, but of the way of life and the traditions of boat building and repair. I mean, you could just call it the marine rail overlay if you wanted to, and that would probably dovetail better with the cable |
| 01:00:50.97 | Bill | That's a guitar. |
| 01:00:51.78 | Charlie Knox | you |
| 01:00:51.97 | Bill | I think it would because that's more definite and it makes it clear what it's about. |
| 01:00:57.28 | Charlie Knox | Thank you. And either way, you can still have the same type of rules about what's allowed there and what's not. |
| 01:01:03.26 | Ron Petrovic | So figure out the right time. Thank you. Maybe I'll see you guys better ask questions if you're wondering if anybody else Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:01:13.50 | Unknown | you |
| 01:01:13.58 | Ron Petrovic | I'm going to go ahead and get some questions. |
| 01:01:19.30 | Tony | That's the point that I want to make sure gets put down in our recommendations. The rest of all of this, yeah, that's got to be on the cover with my face on it. Ha, ha, ha, ha. |
| 01:01:31.08 | Mike | Well, I think that was like the first of our relationship to the recommendation. And then |
| 01:01:36.11 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:01:36.13 | Tony | traffic. |
| 01:01:36.58 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Yeah, right, exactly. And I think you want to make sure that it doesn't get lost. Absolutely not, no. I don't want to subtract it. |
| 01:01:38.09 | Tony | second. |
| 01:01:40.25 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:01:40.87 | Mike | We want to make sure that doesn't get lost. |
| 01:01:42.59 | Tony | Absolutely not, no. |
| 01:01:47.18 | Ron Petrovic | I'm not. Thank you. I just told you if you were an identity, whether this is a person or a person. The what I would have to guess, but not many people know specifically what one of the specific science recommendations for themselves. I'll read it. Do you remember the many steps that the plan has been structurally developed by plan or generally the work plan, or generally the investment, or generally the habit? Then it says, Thank you. |
| 01:02:24.37 | Mike | Well, |
| 01:02:24.63 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:02:24.73 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:02:27.38 | Ron Petrovic | First type of the whole day, this is what we might demand for you to go. And for the Archive's shipyard, we will open page 20 and page 30 of the moon ship ship that we've gone. The parcel represents the greatest remaining opportunity in the moon ship to create a significant marine service center. The developed objective to this parcel is to be developed into a whole business moon ship. It is also to be used for mixed use development concepts focusing on industrial and arts uses, especially those oriented to and complement to marine services. The central location as well as the potential for significant amounts of industrial and arts uses justifies the traditional uses of commercial services and food services. Thank you. That is why the Morishat Sucre-de-Clan currently finds specifically for that market. |
| 01:03:33.65 | Tony | Thank you. |
| 01:03:33.95 | Ron Petrovic | That's the first thing that should be changed. a service, a marine service, a full service marine center. So whatever 1988 people call it a full service marine center was, that's what it's coming together. |
| 01:03:34.00 | Tony | The President. Excuse me. |
| 01:03:37.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:37.39 | Tony | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:03:37.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:39.11 | Bill | That's the first thing that should be changed. |
| 01:04:07.87 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:04:10.10 | Ron Petrovic | Let me see, you already had it. You already had it. Well, let's do it. And it didn't happen. You can't do stuff just like you're living in. It didn't happen. |
| 01:04:12.51 | Unknown | Well, let's do it. |
| 01:04:19.93 | Tony | That's why we got it. Yeah. |
| 01:04:20.27 | Ron Petrovic | We'll make it. Thank you. |
| 01:04:21.93 | Tony | Thank you. |
| 01:04:21.96 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:04:22.09 | Tony | Well... |
| 01:04:23.97 | Bill | it's sort of happening |
| 01:04:29.11 | Tony | Well, I don't know. That's right. That's right. I think he's going to make it. Yeah, no, I understand. |
| 01:04:30.80 | Bill | That's right. |
| 01:04:37.40 | Tony | Why didn't it happen? Ah. because somebody was hoping the zoning would change. That's why. to unite. |
| 01:04:46.07 | Ron Petrovic | Okay, so let's move on to that will be a few more than a matter. I think some things that occurs today, which are changing the process of the process of the.. But number three, this is going to be the question, but I think it would be the recommendation that we used to talk about. just because of the time period in which this should commit something like, I mean, it's good right now, which is just thinking a little bit more about, well, what's the reality of the middle time of the day, the time of the ability of, the middle of the staff has to go to reality, and the timing of that, and maybe I would want to have a recommendation of how you are. |
| 01:05:52.36 | Adam Politzer | $25,000 question there, huh? When will it start? |
| 01:06:02.18 | Adam Politzer | Um... I think that as the council has this discussion, if the council takes the recommendation that's being provided and agrees to move forward, then in the mid-year budget, there may be an opportunity to start the process. and what staffs recommendation during this gap of time between July and now the thought was to ask the council and you're getting a little bit of a preview of the second staff report not the first staff report but the second staff report assuming the council takes gives direction to move forward with these recommendations including the general plan update would be to look at forming yet another committee and I know that people love that but it's the next step which would be two council members two planning commissioners and a historic landmarks board combined with staff to actually now look at what the steps would be required and the costs associated with the timeline for general planning specific plan update. So within I would imagine within the next five months by trying to be done by June 30th in this budget cycle and maybe there's a little bit of money that needs to be spent and give them some money for help if they need outside help. But have a recommendation that as Council Member Withee shared earlier that says maybe there's one thing that we do. and I'm telling you THAT AS COUNCILMEMBER WITHY SHARED EARLIER THAT SAYS MAYBE THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE DO. AND TONY, I'M NOT SKIPPING THE NUMBER ONE ITEM HERE. I'M PUTTING THAT ASIDE AS I THINK YOU HEARD EARLIER. THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL CAN TAKE ACTION ON SEPARATELY, INDEPENDENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT ELIMINATING. |
| 01:08:06.57 | Tony | Right, the general plan, so |
| 01:08:10.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:08:10.24 | Tony | Yeah, but that can still be our recommendation. I understand, but he's asking. |
| 01:08:13.38 | Adam Politzer | I understand, but he's asking how we move forward on the general plan update, specific plan update. And so that's what I'm casting out here. So assuming that the council takes action, they agree that it would be worth having a committee similar to the model that we've used with other important items that I think have been effective in moving process forward. of letting them have three or four months to make a recommendation that ties the budget request to the July 1 start of the next fiscal year. Then within that next six months, roll out whatever we can afford and whatever we have staff time to you know to enhance so it's between now and the end of this calendar year we should be able to have a timeline in a and a outline of where where we're heading but a lot of that's going to you know what happens at the first meeting. As we all know, this is an incredibly sensitive item. We've had certain people like Bruce and Chris and Adam and Michael Rex and a few others at most, not all the meetings, but there's a whole general public that have been watching on air or waiting to see what comes from this. So that first meeting will kind of dictate if we have the will of the people to continue to move forward and if we do then I think staff can work aggressively to put a program forward working with the committee. |
| 01:08:17.99 | Tony | Right, you're understanding. |
| 01:09:38.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:38.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:38.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:38.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:58.18 | Adam Politzer | Folks. |
| 01:10:00.20 | Ron Petrovic | Mr. Chairman, if we wanted to, as a committee, go to the staff of recommending that they go to staff immediately start exploring the minimum trail, which is a kind of thing to work on preventing the conflict to begin with so they can take it exploring the. We should have some work on preventing planning in the context of the budget to begin the process. So if we take this five years, and we're not setting an expectation of length it's going to take, but we did a recommendation that we take the first step in this next approach, which is not going to begin the process. So the other thing is balance the beans that you've best stopped after. |
| 01:10:35.77 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:10:46.94 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:10:47.64 | Ron Petrovic | And then the counseling project, and so the priorities can be sought that the compliance of it. And yeah, |
| 01:10:54.02 | Bill | And starting right now, Danny is going to have to fill out his staff at plenty of local. |
| 01:10:59.77 | Ron Petrovic | We're all working on that. So I agree with that. Can that be more of our recommendation? Yeah. We saw the five years. Yeah. |
| 01:11:03.50 | Charlie Knox | Thank you. |
| 01:11:05.03 | Unknown | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 01:11:14.38 | Ron Petrovic | Okay. And then I think we want to put that dollar value in the recommendation in the. That's why we're considered. The other. |
| 01:11:28.63 | Bill | I think Adam did. Less than a million. |
| 01:11:31.16 | Mike | You know, I do think the one thing is it has numbers of 2 through 4. And again, I think it's two different things. We're looking at this green center overlay on the general plan. And carving out the other numbers is the two arbitrary. |
| 01:11:39.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:49.16 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:11:49.96 | Mike | And again, I'm looking at two recommendations. One is on the Marine Center, and one is on the |
| 01:11:57.82 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:11:58.39 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:11:58.55 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:11:58.56 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:11:58.60 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:11:58.61 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:11:59.03 | Ron Petrovic | What other things they have to do with the problem from the 7th century? You have a number that's 7th century. You want a number that's 7th century. I don't want to have to have that. You know, you just want to know that you're right. And so I just have to leave between 500 million in the middle. If you go down that path, you wouldn't have to take the number two and then you're going to be |
| 01:12:02.04 | Mike | Yeah. |
| 01:12:03.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:14.32 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:12:20.38 | Mike | Well, it's all part of it. I think actually everything I know. There's been one in six. Yeah. There's two things. |
| 01:12:25.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:25.41 | Ron Petrovic | Well, I think this is a rejection number two which is a cost reduction of this family that's a $1,000. In terms of that, it's $750,000 in an accident. Right, yeah. So you would leave the money out thoroughly for the end, for the basic presentation to see if it's going to be the two in the world. |
| 01:12:26.52 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:12:48.51 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah, right. |
| 01:12:54.54 | Bill | Yeah, right, and it would also be a costly expenditure that would have to be repeated when you got here anyway. |
| 01:12:58.28 | Ron Petrovic | You know, you got a guy here. |
| 01:12:59.84 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:12:59.90 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:12:59.97 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:13:02.03 | Unknown | What do we have to do? Thank you. Thank you. Well, this is what happened to you again. |
| 01:13:08.32 | Ron Petrovic | And what we need to tell people that don't know that we have to do with the. |
| 01:13:08.36 | Unknown | and more than three of you adults. |
| 01:13:13.93 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:13:16.96 | Unknown | I'm going to study society and be here on the phone. |
| 01:13:19.70 | Charlie Knox | I just want to make sure I'm clear. So you want to, because remember the impetus for putting the cost there was showing the cost as part of the roadmap. And I'm not sure if I'm hearing you still want that in there and you want the figure with the options and the list of options, or you want it out of the roadmap and just in the list of options. |
| 01:13:19.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:37.47 | Ron Petrovic | you Another thing I think about, why don't we just take it out and you just have two reasons why we're going to do it. Money happening in our lives. |
| 01:13:46.48 | Unknown | Thank you. you |
| 01:13:47.91 | Ron Petrovic | Oh, I see. I see. Okay. Okay. |
| 01:13:48.45 | Unknown | Oh, I see. I see. Okay. |
| 01:13:52.93 | Charlie Knox | Thank you. |
| 01:13:53.03 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:13:53.36 | Charlie Knox | Thank you. |
| 01:13:59.10 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Thank you. So, this is the proper, and I see that, I'll see that, I'll see that, |
| 01:14:08.21 | Ron Petrovic | How does that solution work? Because if you think that you're going to ask the question, what's the cost? |
| 01:14:10.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:10.26 | Tony | In the text of the request of the question, Thank you. |
| 01:14:13.48 | Ron Petrovic | besides the tributes That's the. |
| 01:14:20.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:20.97 | Mike | you |
| 01:14:21.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:21.24 | Mike | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:14:21.46 | Ron Petrovic | you |
| 01:14:21.55 | Mike | Thank you. But we've already gone through the process. So if someone looks at it, we can understand |
| 01:14:29.04 | Ron Petrovic | about the 112 years. |
| 01:14:30.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:32.18 | Ron Petrovic | I mean, what you've done, you might well have that come down. I mean, you're going to have to write it. I would really like to add on to this one that probably didn't have to be a computer. Yeah. And so I'm going to have to |
| 01:14:50.28 | Tony | One of the things that concerns me is that when we explore this number one, explore the Maritime Center overlay end, |
| 01:14:50.50 | Unknown | The Press. |
| 01:14:57.47 | Tony | What our real objective is, is trying to make it successful, that center, in conjunction with the Spalding Wooden Boat Center, make that whole thing so that it works down from the... Aquamazone and also the Bayside Boatworks make all this thing integrated because it really is all compatible and make it really into a working you know, Maritime Center, not a robbing Maritime Center like it is now. And I think that when we look at that, like some of these other examples that are given here of other communities that have done this successfully, you know, we may have to, it's going to take a lot of effort to make this thing work, not like it's done in the past. It's going to be a real big deal. And it may mean that we have to float bombs. We may have to get the community involved in purchasing this part of the land. I don't know. But I see this as being sort of a separate |
| 01:15:45.80 | Unknown | They |
| 01:16:00.18 | Tony | problem separate from the other things we discussed about the general plan update and marineship plan upgrade and all that. And I agree with all those things. But I see this as something that we're going to have. We're not going to have a shot at this very much longer. and to make it really work rather than just talk about it. That means that we are going to have the you know, the consultants figure out ways that we can do this and then see if we can get the community and the political body behind it. |
| 01:16:29.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:31.72 | Tony | But I see that as being something that that we're going to have to take action on. And it could lead us in another direction in terms of financing the money the city's willing to spend and so on. It's a huge opportunity, really. |
| 01:16:47.09 | Ron Petrovic | So the first step is the city council's government took the city to appropriate the function to get that work. |
| 01:16:52.88 | Tony | I know. |
| 01:16:53.45 | Ron Petrovic | So back to the next slide. I know. Well, that's it. I'll shake it. I'll say you'll say, I don't want to go next, which is to do things along, and finalize it. Our conditions are adopted, and we're sure that you are going to have a question about the concern and everything. And there will be anything else to add. And then move on to you, member, Saturday, and she's talking now, and she's going to be safe. She's talked about this edition. She's going to ask herself. And then, first, now, |
| 01:16:54.80 | Tony | I know. |
| 01:17:07.14 | Unknown | out of the... |
| 01:17:16.98 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:17:17.55 | Charlie Knox | I do just have, oh yes, thank you. I do have one question, which is the last item about in the potential revisions to six, the options. I did not catch where you ended up. Are we leaving the dollar figure in and then saying it would have to be repeated or are we just saying it would be a costly stand alone option, a costly option as a stand alone process which might have to be repeated? I didn't catch the language on that. |
| 01:17:17.57 | Unknown | I do just... Thank you. |
| 01:17:44.82 | Unknown | What are you doing? you |
| 01:17:47.88 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:17:52.65 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:17:52.94 | Unknown | and then just start a position |
| 01:17:54.73 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:17:55.35 | Charlie Knox | Well, I mean, I think what you're really trying to say is that if you did it as a standalone process, you wouldn't get the benefit of all of the technical background analysis that committee member Warner was talking about when you do the general plan. So I think what you're really trying to say is, |
| 01:18:10.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:10.88 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:18:14.37 | Charlie Knox | it would be more costly to do it as a standalone process than it would to combine it with the general plan update. |
| 01:18:19.21 | Ron Petrovic | It would be more costly to do that conformal |
| 01:18:22.05 | Charlie Knox | Yeah. |
| 01:18:23.97 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah. |
| 01:18:25.24 | Charlie Knox | Thank you. |
| 01:18:26.10 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:18:29.30 | Mike | Maybe I'll just go on that. |
| 01:18:31.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:34.60 | Bill | That's right. |
| 01:18:34.97 | Mike | I'm going to just see two more in your camera. |
| 01:18:37.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:38.36 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:18:39.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:39.06 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:18:39.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:39.11 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:18:40.15 | Charlie Knox | Well, if I may, through the chair, I think what we're talking about is if we just did a specific plan update, it would basically... Yeah, you're talking about adding 80, 90, 50, and 80. |
| 01:18:54.84 | Ron Petrovic | Um, Thank you. You did it down alone. Thank you. |
| 01:18:58.61 | Charlie Knox | Yeah, I think that's a fair comment because I think when we estimated the 250 was back in March or April, then when you asked me to attach the numbers, we expanded the roadmap, and you asked me to attach the numbers. It was more like May or June. I went through each one of these processes and lined out what it would take, and I think you're right. I think it would be more than 250. |
| 01:19:14.88 | Ron Petrovic | I think it would be more than 250. I think you could probably get from another part of that. Well, I think you can't remember. Yeah, it was earlier. I think it's a little bit of a thing. We could also ask, let's say, for example, the scenario of the land is in the city council. Would they want to know? How would that be the presentation? |
| 01:19:19.71 | Charlie Knox | Yeah, it was earlier. |
| 01:19:22.04 | Unknown | you |
| 01:19:32.85 | Ron Petrovic | Well, I'll be honest, but I think that staff report. That's part of the staff report. Staff report. I don't think that's okay. |
| 01:19:36.35 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:19:36.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:19:36.97 | Bill | Yeah. |
| 01:19:37.02 | Unknown | report. |
| 01:19:37.85 | Bill | before. |
| 01:19:39.39 | Unknown | Yeah, that's right. |
| 01:19:39.71 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:19:39.81 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:19:39.88 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:19:39.91 | Ron Petrovic | That's right. |
| 01:19:43.87 | Charlie Knox | Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, if I may. Lily's reminding me that if you look at the existing options for next steps, that 250 was specifically intended to exclude the economic and infrastructure analysis, so it was 250 plus, if you do those separately, 80 and 90, and so the point is you could do the specific plan update without those. |
| 01:20:04.02 | Bill | So if we're not going to put it in the thing, let's stop talking about it. Okay. |
| 01:20:04.80 | Charlie Knox | Thank you. |
| 01:20:07.47 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:20:07.73 | Charlie Knox | Okay. |
| 01:20:07.97 | Ron Petrovic | Okay. |
| 01:20:10.87 | Bill | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 01:20:11.97 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:20:12.04 | Bill | Okay. |
| 01:20:12.53 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:20:25.89 | Ron Petrovic | And member states we want to talk about a presentation of human recommendations to the process. Now we're looking at possibly presenting this every night. Is that correct? February 10th, February 10th. Okay. |
| 01:20:41.05 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:20:41.06 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:20:41.10 | Bill | Thank you. You're going to be done by them? |
| 01:20:45.86 | Bill | Okay. |
| 01:20:46.51 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:20:48.83 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:20:54.01 | Charlie Knox | I plan to go back tomorrow and make these changes and run them by city staff to make sure that I got them correct. So they'll probably be looking at them right now. |
| 01:20:54.06 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:21:01.40 | Bill | and send it to the printer. |
| 01:21:02.14 | Charlie Knox | I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:21:03.62 | Ron Petrovic | Okay, so the thought that we had, the last chair and I had had is that the presentation of the City Council, I think the consultants will be to present the report, but then the committee, the members of the committee will then present the recommendation section that we have been laboring over tonight. So that's the thought we were the way up to 2.6. I have a conflict on that night. It's irreconcilable. So you guys. Then I send the chair with me. It's the job of the chair. Absolutely. We don't need any more. I was thinking one of you guys was done. |
| 01:21:46.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:21:46.59 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:21:47.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:21:47.94 | Bill | . |
| 01:21:48.72 | Charlie Knox | Yeah. |
| 01:21:49.04 | Bill | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:21:49.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:21:52.51 | Bill | It's the job of the chair, absolutely. No, no, no. Get him off the dais. |
| 01:21:57.27 | Ron Petrovic | No, no, no. |
| 01:21:58.98 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:21:59.03 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:21:59.97 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:22:03.97 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:22:11.97 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:22:19.39 | Ron Petrovic | I will proceed to the appointment. You need to help with staff. |
| 01:22:25.98 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:22:26.43 | Ron Petrovic | you |
| 01:22:26.52 | Mike | It would probably be the last ask of the committee. You need to make a recommendation to form a resolve this committee and then to the council would recommend only to keep it on. |
| 01:22:38.02 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:22:38.06 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:22:38.77 | Ron Petrovic | But it's not quite the work time and the work time is Thank you. |
| 01:22:45.08 | Adam Politzer | I can weigh in and obviously you guys can do what you want. |
| 01:22:49.06 | Unknown | you |
| 01:22:49.94 | Adam Politzer | But I wouldn't make that recommendation until I think that's the council's responsibility. At the end of the council may ask, Robin, so your conversation is okay. Do you folks feel that you should play a role going forward? That might be the discussion. But I think if the council says we're not comfortable with all these or we want you to consider some things that you didn't or new information comes from the public, they might want to send it back to the steering committee. If that doesn't happen, then they may say thank you for your service and we're going to move forward with a different recommendation. But I'm just looking. the Bute Street Task Force had made a recommendation and Leon notes this as the chair of the Bute Street Task Force to dissolve because they felt their work was done. But Mary and I kind of stepped in and said it was too soon because we feel that the council actually needs to make that recommendation versus the committee itself. |
| 01:23:55.18 | Ron Petrovic | Yes. |
| 01:23:56.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:23:56.29 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:23:56.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:23:57.00 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:23:57.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:23:57.98 | Ron Petrovic | But also, though, I think it's a good recommendation |
| 01:23:59.51 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:24:02.97 | Mike | He should probably, though, ask this committee if we have any further work other than even finalizing the court or? |
| 01:24:10.57 | Ron Petrovic | I don't know, but I think it's significant enough that the council should have a chance to digest it and they possibly would come up with issues, questions that we should be involved in. So I would think that maybe we fold over at least a little bit, have a cornice on this thing that we could come back and respond to. |
| 01:24:10.77 | Mike | I don't know, but I... |
| 01:24:37.45 | Bill | I think that's especially true since Bruce Huff seems to think this committee has done good work. And if he does, then... |
| 01:24:37.50 | Ron Petrovic | I think that, you know, |
| 01:24:45.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:24:45.40 | Ron Petrovic | If he does, then... Thank you. Oh. I think it's just |
| 01:24:57.02 | Mike | The next day we come. Thank you. or is it going to be one of these things, maybe even a task force that you run the work through. Anybody, any? |
| 01:25:07.79 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:25:07.89 | Unknown | you |
| 01:25:07.98 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. I don't think it would take a long time, no. But because we have something of a carve out feature in this, it might be something that there would be a question about after. I'm just saying, give it me a brief time. |
| 01:25:09.92 | Mike | Thank you. I think I don't think I'm going to be |
| 01:25:23.57 | Bruce Huffing | Thank you. |
| 01:25:23.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:25:23.82 | Bruce Huffing | you |
| 01:25:24.06 | Unknown | The Pressure. |
| 01:25:26.44 | Ron Petrovic | for counsel to digest it. You're going through a whole lot right now and on different issues. So have the time, take the time. We're here. |
| 01:25:37.49 | Bill | Yeah, I think it's also important that we've spent a lot of time on this, and I think as a committee we've done good work, and the consultant has. And I think that at least there's follow-up here. The follow-up will be to see what you guys do. |
| 01:25:52.02 | Ron Petrovic | Bye. And it would seem to me that |
| 01:25:54.16 | Bill | And it would seem to me that we could easily have a follow-on meeting at some point when it turns out you're not doing what we think you should be doing, or whatever. |
| 01:25:55.38 | Ron Petrovic | Okay. |
| 01:26:05.82 | Bill | So, you know, yeah. But on the other hand, if you dissolve this, it's certainly not going to be skin off my end. |
| 01:26:06.09 | Mike | Thank you. you know yeah but on the other hand if you desire |
| 01:26:09.55 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:26:10.85 | Mike | It's getting off my end. I was just trying to see people in a course doing those in other ways, like you did this. Yeah. |
| 01:26:17.01 | Bill | Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. |
| 01:26:19.85 | Ron Petrovic | I think I felt so important that I can't believe it was telling you about the. |
| 01:26:20.18 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:26:25.30 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:26:25.38 | Ron Petrovic | So we can't really move ahead. |
| 01:26:27.66 | Bill | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:26:27.96 | Mike | Thank you. |
| 01:26:31.32 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah. . Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:26:42.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:42.68 | Ron Petrovic | you |
| 01:26:42.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:47.57 | Unknown | Thank you. Adam Krivacci, 840 Olima Street. The only thing I wanted to suggest that in order to put this major effort in proper context, it would behove the group to mention what role the marineship place in So sorry, though. How many jobs there are? How many firms pay taxes? Thank you. what is the real estate value that is being assessed there and how this area fares in complement to the community, what functions it plays, et cetera, et cetera. The report does not introduce the problem with the law, with them. a very broad perspective. And it might be very useful, especially when you know that some seats will be occupied in the council chamber by the public. to acknowledge the importance of this area in the community. So I would suggest that staff prepare a two-paragraph overview that presents the salient data related to this area, how it lives as part of Sausalito. |
| 01:28:26.98 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. No, I like that. I think that's very important. Yeah, more with that actuality. |
| 01:28:30.97 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:28:35.71 | Ron Petrovic | Right up front. One pager? Yeah, one pager. |
| 01:28:35.79 | Unknown | Right up front. Yeah. |
| 01:28:38.03 | Unknown | It's a major. |
| 01:28:41.63 | Ron Petrovic | you Thank you. Thank you. I would actually suggest that staff member, I'm going back to the very beginning, membership 101, things that you prepare. Absolutely. That's where it is. That's where it is. Yeah. We've probably, because we've been living with this document in this process for a while, the only danger of the presentation is is to shove sin in the deep head to forgetting the need to break people and the march and all that one well that's that's it's |
| 01:28:54.77 | Bill | Absolutely. That's where it is. |
| 01:29:11.52 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:29:11.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:29:11.55 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:29:12.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:29:12.49 | Bill | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:29:12.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:29:12.95 | Bill | Yeah. Well, that's another way of saying what Bruce said, and that is that Marinship's part of the whole town. |
| 01:29:21.47 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah. perhaps from the |
| 01:29:23.97 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:29:24.04 | Ron Petrovic | unique section of |
| 01:29:26.40 | Bill | Thank you. |
| 01:29:26.47 | Tony | Thank you. |
| 01:29:50.99 | Ron Petrovic | you Yeah. Thank you. what was actually just make a few points about this process. I think any folks who are listening on their phones, or everybody else, Cameron, I don't know where we are, You know, when I'm two and a half years ago, I'm a rat for this candidate. And I was trying to understand the ownership of the people told me that I was intent to even discuss the ownership, that it was a verbalized social media policy, that there was no way I was going to get anyone like this if I talked about the ownership. And then later on when we said we're going to form the leadership steering committee, I was told that it will go toxic, people marching in the council chambers can complain about what we do. But I think, and I think those who perhaps have been in the community much longer than me, it's to either say I'm right or wrong my perception is right along. This has been my experience, and it's been pre-constructed, collaborative, objective, reasonable, and now it's been a problem. And we haven't created this course. We haven't created a thing because of the careful inconsiderable we've told about it. And so I think the public should be very comforted by that fact, and therefore my sense is the time could be right to therefore carry on that conversation. And that's what I'm very much less aware of that. I think it's been a new thing to be frustrated. |
| 01:31:20.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:58.76 | Ron Petrovic | I think you're right. There is a mood change that occurred |
| 01:32:05.11 | Unknown | you |
| 01:32:06.19 | Ron Petrovic | through the specific plan discussion. And I would compliment the constituency, not only of the steering committee, but of those people who have come to the meetings who are so much a part of the Marianship, their businesses are in the Marianship. And finally, I think that maybe they're getting the feeling, I hope, that we representing the city are opening our ears and we're actually listening to your needs and your ideas, your suggestions. Because I think that's been really constructive. And I think it's really helped us in the design. |
| 01:32:51.41 | Unknown | in the distance. Thank you. |
| 01:32:54.67 | Ron Petrovic | you Thank you. Thank you. Wow. |
| 01:32:58.97 | Bruce Huffing | Thank you. |
| 01:32:59.02 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:32:59.07 | Bruce Huffing | Thank you. |
| 01:32:59.09 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:32:59.31 | Bruce Huffing | Like, that's got tightness, that's |
| 01:33:01.27 | Ron Petrovic | Yes. |
| 01:33:01.64 | Bruce Huffing | the |
| 01:33:02.03 | Ron Petrovic | I think that's |
| 01:33:03.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:03.46 | Bill | I think that's a motion for adjournment. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. |
| 01:33:05.45 | Ron Petrovic | There was one more, just one more, yeah. Real close to the adjournment, last year was communication. I want to say, I'm trying to get you aware of those together in time for the.. |
| 01:33:09.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:30.28 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. . Thank you. Thank you. I don't know. I think I'll speak for everybody on the We'll do that. Thank you. |
| 01:33:42.86 | Bill | Yeah. |
| 01:33:42.88 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. |
| 01:33:42.98 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:33:43.03 | Ron Petrovic | Yeah. |
| 01:33:43.09 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 01:33:50.97 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The President's |
| 01:33:52.75 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:33:56.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:57.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:57.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:57.97 | Unknown | leadership. It's incredible. |
| 01:34:04.41 | Ron Petrovic | Thank you. Thank you to the committee and the public and staff and anybody else. And a motion to adjourn. You're going to stop. I made it up. You did it. |
| 01:34:11.37 | Unknown | The doctor makes up with me and tell me how to do it. you |
| 01:34:15.22 | Ron Petrovic | We got it. Thank you, guys. |