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| 00:00:06.49 | Unknown | Good evening, and welcome to the regular meeting of the Sausalito City Council for Tuesday, February 23rd. Lily, would you take the roll call, please? |
| 00:00:20.09 | Unknown | Councilmember Theodorus? Present. Councilmember Weiner? Present. Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Vice Mayor Withey? |
| 00:00:21.29 | Unknown | present. President. |
| 00:00:26.76 | Unknown | here. |
| 00:00:27.45 | Unknown | We're noting that mayor. |
| 00:00:27.79 | Unknown | All right. that yes to but you know that uh... unfortunately mayor hoffman uh... is unable to be at tonight's meeting David Suda, would you lead us in the pledge this evening, please? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:01:01.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:01.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:01.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:01.20 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 00:01:01.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:01.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:01.29 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:01:02.18 | Unknown | Thank you, David. |
| 00:01:06.05 | Unknown | There was no closed session this evening, and so no public comment. Could I have a motion to approve the agenda, please? So moved. |
| 00:01:16.73 | Unknown | SECOND. |
| 00:01:18.33 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? That motion carries. |
| 00:01:19.07 | Unknown | Uh, |
| 00:01:19.29 | Unknown | Hi. |
| 00:01:24.64 | Unknown | There are no special presentations this evening. Item two is communications. And this is the time for the City Council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. And except in very limited situations, state law precludes the Council from taking action or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. Is there any member of the public who would like to... address the council on any matter that's not on the agenda. |
| 00:01:56.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:58.22 | Unknown | Seeing none. Move on to action minutes of previous meetings. And Lily. |
| 00:02:04.94 | Unknown | Vice Mayor Whitley, I'd like to note that the agenda listed the special meeting of November 18th as August 18th. So I'm with your permission and would like to pull those minutes and bring them forward at a future council meeting. |
| 00:02:19.82 | Unknown | Sure. So we have two sets of minutes to approve this evening, the council meeting of January 12th and the council meeting of February 9th. |
| 00:02:22.37 | Unknown | Ooh. |
| 00:02:28.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:33.64 | Unknown | I move that we approve the minutes of the regular city council meeting of January 12th, 2016 and February 9th, 2016. |
| 00:02:43.79 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. That motion carries. |
| 00:02:44.90 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:02:49.98 | Unknown | We move on to item four, the consent calendar, and matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial, require no discussion, are expected to have unanimous council support, and may be enacted by the council in one motion in the form listed below. Now, is there any member of the public who would like to comment on any item on, there's two items, A and B, on the consent calendar? Seeing none, is there any comment, question, Concern of any member of the council on the consent calendar this evening. Seeing none, can we have a motion to approve the consent calendar? |
| 00:03:37.74 | Unknown | Second. |
| 00:03:38.51 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. That motion carries unanimously. |
| 00:03:39.59 | Kayla Kahn | Bye. |
| 00:03:40.00 | Kayla Kahn | Thank you. |
| 00:03:40.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:44.54 | Unknown | Item six is business items, and we are delighted this evening to have with us Diane Steinhauser, who is the executive director of TAM, and we're looking forward to an important update from TAM. Good to see you, Diane. |
| 00:04:56.05 | Diane | helps to turn it on. Thank you, Lily. Thank you. |
| 00:04:59.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:59.90 | Diane | Hey. I'm going to just start with a fun little quote that we like to put forward when we're out and talking about congestion. And I think one of the things I wanted to point out in this particular quote is that we are all about providing people as many choices as possible in terms of how and when and if you travel. So a lot of our programs are geared around a multiplicity of options. But I must say that for the first time in very many years, we have a lot of interest from the various jurisdictions in what are we doing about traffic congestion. It's showing up in local polls in terms of significant issues. It's showing up amongst electeds running for office as the primary issue within a jurisdiction. And so I've got a few slides here to kind of illustrate what we're facing right now. Obviously, we're facing a very strong economy and very cheap gas. And so what can we do to address congestion on our roads? And I want to point out a couple of things we're doing in particular regarding this and considering doing here in Marin. This is just congestion trends in the Bay Area. No surprise, we had a downturn in congestion back in 09-10. And in fact, we finished a carpool lane through San Rafael. It was the last three mile gap. And we opened it in April of 09. And for the morning and pretty much most of the evening commute, the freeway ran free. But that was a very short period and the economy recovered in 10-11, et cetera, and we weren't able to hang on to that free-flowing traffic condition. This is an illustration of what we're facing on 101. These are the northbound ramps in the afternoon, and what you will see here, and this is a comparison of data in 2011-12 with 2013, we've got even more demand now in 2015-16 than then. But you can see that many of our northbound ramps increase substantially in terms of traffic demand, number of vehicles getting on these on-ramps to northbound 101. We've seen an increase in permits granted in the local jurisdictions in terms of construction and remodeling. We've seen an increase in student population. So we have similar statistics showing growth. And as I often report, we're seeing a return of the service industry to many of our local jurisdictions. And you're importing a lot of service workers. And you're seeing this reflected in this ramp traffic in terms of people getting on the highway to go home at the end of the day. Basically, very simply stated, you could get on at Bridgeway and not experience any congestion on Highway 101, except the ramps downstream from you are exceeding the capacity of the roadway. So Tiburon, Blightdale puts a tremendous amount of traffic on the 101. So does Tamalpais and Paradise. And for that reason, the traffic backs up. Many days we'll see it back up through Bridgeway, northbound going up the Waldo Grade. I occasionally get calls from our partners on the Golden Gate Bridge saying, your traffic is sitting on the Golden Gate Bridge. Will you please do something about it? And, you know, this is just a simplified explanation. So what are we doing to try and manage traffic? We're looking seriously with our partners, and this is really being led by MTC and by Caltrans, even more than TAM at implementing ramp metering. What does ramp metering do? It breaks up the platoons of vehicles entering the roadway. It improves vehicle input on the highway. I'm going to show you some statistics and some features. This is coming. We thought we would be implementing this by now on northbound 101 through Marin. It's delayed. It's probably not going to be implemented until 2018, but it is so just a couple of quick points here's a graph illustrating travel time on san mateo highway 101 before and after ramp metering we will experience the savings and travel time with ramp metering in place that's been consistent throughout the bay Area on all the freeways. If you travel the Bay Area, you will notice this on most major freeway corridors. We're one of the last ones to implement. Sonoma County implemented it up in all of their ramps, starting in Petaluma all the way up through Windsor. They're not experiencing any significant problems on their local roads. The way this works is that there is a... let's say traffic is on the ramp waiting to go on the freeway. If the ramp fills up, and traffic gets to the end of the ramp, the light goes green, the traffic is all dumped onto the freeway so that no traffic backs up on the local streets. We call this a reactive ramp metering program. That means it reacts to the amount of traffic sitting on the ramp. The good news, especially for you, is that your travel time will be reduced. If you're getting on at Bridgeway and you're going up to Sir Francis Drake, you're going to see a reduction in travel time. The average wait at a ramp is about a minute. So you're going to have to wait a minute, but you're going to more than make up for that if you're traveling up the corridor once you get on the highway. So I'd be glad in a future year to come and talk in a little bit more detail about this this program one of the good things about waiting on ramp metering is that we're going to have time to implement our third lane on the richmond san rafael bridge we're going to add a travel lane that will allow traffic on sir francis drake to get directly onto the bridge, East Sir Francis Drake. You're not going to have to merge into 580 anymore. There'll be two lanes on 580 that come from San Rafael, and then a third lane will start. where Sir Francis Drake comes onto the highway. The project is being implemented as a pilot. There will be, once you're on the bridge, the system, I know they do this a lot in other states. I see it a lot in the Phoenix area when I travel there. You'll have the red X and the green arrow over the lane. So the lane will be a managed lane. You'll be able to use the shoulder area during the afternoon commute. There are several features to the project. A second feature is an upper deck bike lane. A bike lane. and also an improvement in bike paths over on the Richmond side approaching the bridge. If you cross the Richmond Bridge right now and you get to the other side by the toll plaza, Bicycles can travel on the shoulder of the interstate. Both the City of Richmond, the Contra Costa agencies, as well as Caltrans want to get those bikes off the shoulder. So there will be a separated bike path now at that short segment between the end of the bridge and the first exit called Marine Street. And that separated bike path will provide a much safer travel way for bikes in that area letting bikes get from the Point Richmond area out to Point Miladi which is becoming a stronger and stronger attractor in terms of pedestrian use right now this project has made substantial progress I got to tell you having been in the business for about 35 years, this project came to light about two years ago in January, February of 2014. It's been fully funded. It's been environmentally cleared. It's been designed. And it's going to go to construction in the next couple of months, which is a miraculous time frame. I always get asked, why couldn't you just go out there and stripe in the lane? That really was impossible given some of the conditions of the roadway, especially on the Richmond side, but we've made substantial progress. This shows us advertising a project in July. We're trying to back that up to May right now, but the project is scheduled to be completed in August of 2017. Which it will be a much needed factor of relief. Let me mention something I don't have a slide about here, which is on northbound 101 to get to the Richmond Bridge. So you leave Sausalito, you're going to the bridge, you either got to get on Drake. or you've got to go up to Bellum and you've got to get off at Bellum. We have a series of improvements we are recommending as TAM for both Drake, that we've coordinated with the city of Larkspur, and Bellum, that we've coordinated with the city of San Rafael. We're trying to build those into this project right now. And we've sent a formal letter. It's about $5, $6 million that we need from BATA. They have some savings in the bridge project. We're trying to capture that and make sure we can do these improvements on the Marin side. So I'm sure that we'll be talking more about this in future months at TAM. We want to make sure that once this lane is open that you can get to it. So we want to do some improvements that won't just serve this PM peak traffic, but will also help with circulation in both of those neighborhood areas. The business neighborhood around Larkspur Landing Circle and of course the Bellum Corridor, which is a lead into the canal and to the business corridor along Anderson. I want to talk a tiny bit about the Marin-Sonoma Narrows. So we've widened Highway 101. We were instrumental and had a lot of support to do this from Caltrans and MTC through Novato, but we still have a two-lane segment through the Narrows, north of Olimpali State Park. So the next major fund, major segment of this project is going under construction right now, where the highway dips down to cross San Antonio Creek. We're going to be raising the highway above the floodplain and widening it to three lanes. When we're done, we're going to have a little two-lane gap in Marin and a little two-lane gap in Petaluma. And this, we haven't figured out how we're going to fund this and how we're going to close that gap something the tambour is going to have to consider in the future how we find funds for that it's going to be very frustrating because folks are going to have three lanes each direction then drop to two then three lanes each direction then drop to two again so we got to close that gap, and I'm sure we're going to be talking more about how to do that in the future. You know, I want to talk a little bit about express lanes. MTC contracted with a consultant to look at carpool lanes, express buses, park and ride lots. They determined what would be good candidates for using these express lanes. An express lane is a carpool lane that's very carefully managed, where if you have any extra capacity, you can sell that to somebody that wants to buy into it. They just implemented the second major Express Lane corridor on 580 out in Livermore. So it gives folks a chance to get from here to there faster if you're willing to pay a fee. And the fee is congestion priced to the amount of congestion on the highway, i.e. what is the benefit to you in being able to do that. MTC is asking us, what do you think about doing this in Marin? So we're not sure how this is going to work. Maybe it's something we could do through the narrows, where you have a carpool lane, and if you have extra capacity, you sell it. We're going to be looking into this further. We did not give them a response. We asked them for more time to study this. What we're going to be studying through an ad hoc working group of TAM commissioners, which our chair is probably going to be announcing this week, who she'd like to have on there. We're going to be looking at park and ride lots and express bus projects along the corridor including and we're very aware of the overflow parking that's happening up here at spencer in 101 so what can we do there to improve that situation we're going to be looking at a possible new park and ride at the loop area on the west side of the Tiburon East blithedale interchange that big open area we're going to be looking at other ways to improve our express bus service including buses on the shoulder perhaps up in nevado where buses can gain a travel time savings by using the shoulder we sent a letter to mtc saying whoa whoa whoa let us study and talk about this and they said fine and we're putting together a working group to uh to look at this the last couple things that i wanted to mention as i said at the beginning we have a multiplicity of options we have a very strong safe routes to school program i'm pleased to say we've been working very closely, and there are several strong Safe Routes projects. I think we funded one, and we're looking at possibly funding another one this coming year in the Sausalito area. We're also trying to do what we can for employers and employees. Can you telecommute? Can you carpool? Can we pay a subsidy, an incentive for you to vanpool if possible? We've grown our vanpool program from about seven when we started ten years ago to almost 50 now. So we're getting people to commute back and forth across the bay and in and out of Marin by vanpool. We're also looking at electric vehicles, which, you know, address the greenhouse gas emission requirements that the state has and is a way to help us deal with our pollution levels. Just on the safe route side, we've been able to increase green trips over the past, I'd say, 10 years by a little over 8% now. The statistics are a little bit old. We're very proud of that. We continue to increase our green trips. We have crossing guards, route maps, school pool, street smarts, lots of different ways to address the school environment. And we want to continue to work with you on your ideas on projects, as well as any support you need around any particular school, whether it's education or et cetera. I do want to mention our electric vehicle program twice a year. I think we're going to have another one coming up this spring. We do an electric vehicle outreach, kind of an EV this is at the marin farmers market and it's a chance for folks to come and sit and drive in an ev so if you're interested in buying one we'll make sure that you know we try and do one in the spring one in the fall we provide a lot of information to folks as to what subsidies are available if you want to put a charging station in your home or at your workplace. We actually opened up our EV charger program to schools. We're getting a lot of schools interested in putting in EV chargers so that you know teachers and staff are incentivized to buy and to use an EV. Just a couple of statistics. We're second in the Bay Area behind only Santa Clara in terms of EVs per capita. We also, I'm very proud to say, we have more publicly available electric vehicle charging stations now than we have gas stations. We have about 61 gas stations. We have about 65 EV charging stations. So yay. And we want to grow that number even more. And again, we're making a lot of inroads in terms of putting those at schools. Smart's coming. They're scheduled to operate no later than December of 2016. There's some rumor that they may actually operate informally before that. Next fall, we're looking a lot at our smart station sites. Smart had enough money to build the rail line, but they're challenged by all the necessary features around a station site, whether it's bike parking or car sharing. or transit bus pads where people can get off and on a bus to get onto the smart line, et cetera. So we're working very closely with smart in terms of all the needs that they have and trying to prioritize. I do, before I finish up, want to mention that we have, when we buy a gallon of gas, we're paying a state gas tax and a federal gas tax. Now, the state gas tax, because the price of gas is so low, they converted their excise tax to a price-based excise tax, and therefore we're collecting a lot less in state taxes than we did traditionally. Governor Brown has put out with his budget a program to increase revenues for transportation. In the meantime, there's no state revenue for us on the horizon. It's looking really bleak right now in terms of the state being able to support us. The feds, on the other hand, did pass a multi-year federal bill back in November, and it's about the same level of federal gas tax that we've historically gotten. A share of that comes to Marin, comes to TAM, and that's called our OBag program. This got quite a bit of coverage a year or so ago with the PDAs that we were out discussing around the county. We we're doing a call for projects March 1st to all the jurisdictions. What that means is if you have a project you want to fund, tell us. And then in May, June, after we gather all the projects together and sort and slice and dice them, we'll create scenarios for what the TAM board should fund. The good news is we have some money. The bad news is we have $10 million over five years, which is not a lot of money. That's $2 million a year. And we have huge needs around smart stations, around bike ped projects that haven't been able to be funded, about local road congestion and improvements on local roads. So the TAM board's going to have its work cut out later on this year and trying to figure out what's the best thing to fund we work with your staff and will continue to do so on what your needs are you are very cooperative thank you in our rtp cycle which is long range now we need to kind of hear about some nearer term projects that you might want to pursue. I get asked a lot about what's the future of driverless cars. So we're going to have, and we'll make sure this gets into your local newsletter, we're going to have an innovation workshop sometime in April, May. And there's a lot of activity around driverless cars. And does it? |
| 00:24:49.18 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 00:24:49.60 | Diane | pertain to us or not. I think maybe the thought to leave with you there is that there's a driverless car a kind of consortium of auto manufacturers and local agencies that are looking for opportunities to implement Um, um, trackways or roads where driverless cars could be used. One of their big efforts right now, for example, is the Chevron site out at Bishop Ranch. Chevron's got a big property. They want to institute a driverless car program to shuttle people around their site. That's just kind of a near-term example of how driverless cars will be used. It's probably not good to call them driverless because what the DMV's doing right now, if you've been listening, is they're gonna pass some regulations that says you still have to have a driver in the car. And maybe it's parking itself, maybe it's stopping for you, maybe it's reminding you to quit texting or whatever, but you're still gonna have a role But it is the future. And can we use it in Marin? I don't know. But we'll hear some examples of how it's being applied around the Bay Area at our technology workshop that we're having in a couple of months. So stay tuned for that, and I'm hoping that you guys can attend. And with that, I'll be glad to answer any questions that you have. |
| 00:26:12.87 | Unknown | Thank you very much, Diane. Do we have any questions from Council? Yes. Thank you. |
| 00:26:24.47 | Unknown | Sir Francis Drake. |
| 00:26:26.21 | Diane | Yeah. |
| 00:26:28.59 | Unknown | there still will be that set of lights by the Laksper Ferry. So. |
| 00:26:35.09 | Diane | There will be. |
| 00:26:36.95 | Unknown | unless you put police officers there at high peak times. |
| 00:26:45.06 | Diane | It's a high demand area. There's been a lot of healthy growth in the Marin Country Mart, and they're interested in maintaining good access in and out of there. The ferry is very interested in maintaining good access in and out of the ferry terminal. We're making some operational improvements to connect signals, to put in more channelization. There's a lane drop as you go towards the bridge right after the melting pot.'re gonna continue that another thousand plus feet so they'll traffic will be able to merge a little more smoothly and not get caught up by the lights San Rafael told me one time, why don't you elevate Sir Francis Drake and just build another roadway on top of the existing one? And then Larsper said, why don't we put a big connector in San Rafael? So we got that friendly banter in terms of how we get people to the bridge. But, yeah, in both Bellum and Drake, you're going to end up having to go through a light. Now, what we're trying to do at Bellum is to add another through lane through that signal and So, and widen the ramp coming off the freeway. So you can come down and be able to get on pretty easily on 580 if you choose to go up to Bellum. There's a future connector that we're going to have to talk about. It's very expensive. We've looked at it several times over the past, oh, I'd say eight or nine years. And it's going to be a challenge to get that done without having $100 million, honestly. Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:28:10.25 | Unknown | And just one other note, especially in the summertime, Tam Junction. |
| 00:28:10.28 | Diane | Thank you. That's a lot of money. |
| 00:28:14.69 | Diane | Oh, yeah. Well, in terms of the traffic solution, I'm probably not the best one to ask about the upcoming programs to make parking a reservation system only out at Muir Woods and the park area out there. I know that's been discussed and in the works for a long time. there is some effort coming up real soon by the county and I know that's been discussed and in the works for a long time. There is some effort coming up real soon by the county and Caltrans to prevent left turns as you approach the intersection of Shoreline and Almonte to keep left turns from going into the gas station. They're going to make you go around the corner and have a lane you can get into before you block traffic trying to get into the gas station. So that's an effort. And then we have a project we're going to start later this summer to add a class two bike path through there. We got a lot of kids pouring out of that neighborhood up by Flamingo that go to the middle school over on El Monte. And they have a tough time navigating. so to keep them safe, we're putting in just a striped bike lane next to the next to the lanes. Tough, tough, tough area. |
| 00:28:51.78 | Kayla Kahn | Thank you. |
| 00:28:51.79 | Unknown | you |
| 00:28:51.86 | Kayla Kahn | Thank you. |
| 00:28:51.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:51.91 | Kayla Kahn | Thank you. |
| 00:29:29.42 | Unknown | It really is because we have a problem, especially on Saturdays and Sundays, where people can't get out of Sausalito on Bridgeway because it backs up all the way into it. So that's the chapter. |
| 00:29:31.37 | Diane | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:29:38.39 | Diane | Yeah. |
| 00:29:43.77 | Diane | Charles McGlashan one time, God rest him, said we should put a little toll there. So if you want to discuss that further sometime, I'd be welcome to be glad to have that discussion. Thank you. |
| 00:29:52.81 | Unknown | So if you want to. |
| 00:29:53.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:29:53.47 | Unknown | to discuss that fruit or something. |
| 00:29:59.16 | Unknown | Thank you. Yes. Council member. |
| 00:30:00.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:30:00.39 | Diane | Amen. |
| 00:30:00.58 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you Diane for that presentation. That was great and welcome. So my question is in you mentioned the I have a couple a few questions I'll ask two and then I'll let my then they'll circle back to me but you mentioned the ramp metering you mentioned ramp metering in Bridgeway for Sausalito it would it be only, I guess my question around that is, would it only be Bridgeway? Does the community have a say in this? Would we, what is the process in terms of, would we have a forum and, you know, collect community input in terms of, you know, time and impact? Would there be a pilot, you know, timeframe when this would be tested? And again, is Bridgeway the only location that they're looking at for Sausalito? |
| 00:30:56.37 | Diane | The ramp meter will also exist at Spencer and Rodeo, as well as Bridgeway and all the ramps, up to and including Sir Francis Drake, northbound only at this time. We've had a number of outreach sessions on the ramp metering project and would be glad to do further outreach in your community. one thing that you I would encourage you to stay involved in is we do some detailed to do further outreach in your community. One thing that you I would encourage you to stay involved in is we do some detailed traffic studies beforehand. What's the traffic conditions? And then once we turn these ramp meters on, what's the likely situation, what's traffic going to look like. And we can know quite a bit about that in advance, and we want to make sure that the preliminary studies have been done adequately to meet any concerns that you have, and that we have a very strong implementation game plan once the meters are turned on. Now, as to having a say, I think the simplest answer is that this is being implemented around the Bay Area, and it's going to be implemented in Marin. Um, we, uh, want to make sure it's done in a consistent fashion across a whole series of ramps. We sure don't want to not meter one ramp and have everybody try and get on there because they perceive that that's easier and draw more traffic to local streets. So we want a balanced approach across a major swath of 101, which is what this is. This is proposing to do. |
| 00:32:32.62 | Unknown | I guess as I'm considering Sausalito's small population, 7,200, the fact that we're the last before the Golden Gate Bridge. And also the fact that it would this be AM and PM? |
| 00:32:49.97 | Diane | Uh, |
| 00:32:50.44 | Unknown | you |
| 00:32:51.13 | Diane | Honestly, because it's reactive to traffic conditions, it would probably not be AM. All the effort and the detail developed to date is for the PM only. |
| 00:33:01.39 | Unknown | And would it be just two hour stretch or one hour? |
| 00:33:05.54 | Diane | You know, that hasn't been firmly determined, and I think that's something our traffic study and our implementation plan is going to need to look at more closely. |
| 00:33:13.81 | Unknown | So I will hold my, those were my questions. I do have comments about that. I feel strongly with regards to, you know, community participation in that. And the local control aspect I think is very important. But my other question I have has to do with, you know, So I know, I was looking at the blog, Richard Hall's blog, Planning for Reality, and he has an article about, he's done some statistics, looked at the Marin Bicycle Coalition statistics on bicycle crossings for the Richmond Bridge, you know, and that bike lane. And the numbers that I was looking at were like during one peak hour, 14,690 cars versus 53.5 bicycle users or 0.037%. Can you comment on that? I'm sure you have figures. Do your figures dovetail with that? |
| 00:34:13.47 | Diane | You know, the number one goal of my board is to put a third lane eastbound on the Richmond Bridge. The barrier toll authority decided they were also going to implement a bike lane on the upper deck. I have no comment at this time on the bike lane on the upper deck. It's a package of improvements that they want to support. |
| 00:34:32.69 | Unknown | The other follow-up question is, again, it was, I saw a quote of $70 million for the traffic lane that's being added to the Richmond Bridge and the bike lane with this, yeah, and it's, oh, $74 million. $74 for three, three. |
| 00:34:48.18 | Diane | And Thank you. |
| 00:34:49.98 | Unknown | Oh, three. |
| 00:34:50.00 | Diane | Oh, three. pieces. |
| 00:34:51.79 | Unknown | Thank you. And what percentage of that is the bike lane? Because I heard somewhere, and I'm looking to you for what you know about the cost of the bike lane. It was my understanding the bike lane was like half of that $74 million. |
| 00:35:09.30 | Diane | Well, there's three segments. And the segments are roughly similar in cost. There's the bike path I described that gets bikes off of using the shoulder on Interstate 580 between the bridge and Marine Street. And that's about... 18, 20 million. Then there's the lane on the bridge, which is roughly, I think it's in the 25 to plus range. And then there's the upper deck bike path, which is again about 18 or 20 million. So all the bike features are definitely a little higher, a little more than half of the cost of the lane. But we can't use the shoulder. on the other side for traffic unless we provide some place for the bikes to go. which are currently using the shoulder 24 hours a day, or they're allowed to. So, you know, this was kind of a package approach in terms of the priorities of both Contra Costa and of Marin. Let me mention, which I didn't mention earlier, is that this is a pilot, and what is particularly a pilot is the bike lane on the upper deck. So we started talking about this in 2013. It's 2016. Guess what? We have a ton of people wanting to come into Marin, particularly in the morning. A lot of those are service workers and other workers that we import, you know, to work here. Contra Costa is suddenly becoming aware of, wait a minute, we got a lane on the lower deck. Why don't we have a lane for cars on the upper deck? So there was a lot of discussion going on right now as to whether that bike lane is going to be kept in place on the upper deck, how long. Obviously, there's going to be an awareness of how many people are using it and who would you displace if, in fact, you converted it. It may be open for bikes for a very short period and for cars during the commute, and that's an active part of the discussion right now. And those are very rough figures I gave you on the funding, by the way. |
| 00:37:13.64 | Unknown | Thank you very much. And a follow-up question on that is, the fact that you know in Marin or in California overall I guess the percentage of those 65 or older is 12.9% and in Marin it's 19% 65 or older the medium age in California is 35 years in Marin it's 45 years so we have this great the baby boomer population they're aging they're retiring Um, Now, I know... Some of them ride bikes and do, you know, love to ride their bikes, but a lot of them also do not and need to drive, in fact, for disability or other reasons. And so in terms of transportation and getting around, And in light of the demographics of Marin, I'm just wondering, and also in light of the fact that cars are getting cleaner, we're seeing the EV, electric vehicles, we're also seeing self-driving cars. I could foresee a future in Marin where our elderly citizens can get into a self-driving car and be very self-sufficient and pretty much go anywhere. So my question is, in light of these trends and the demographics for Marin, do you see perhaps kind of a broader view in terms of strategy for TAM in looking at ways to also adding more lanes for cars, adding more, in other words, rethinking our view that maybe the car is not in the future, that we've learned our lesson and the car of the future will not be, will potentially be a good thing. It will not be as demonic as some view today. |
| 00:39:24.98 | Diane | Well, I actually drove here and have no opinion on ours being demonic because I would be lost without mine. And I think I'm similar to many women, especially with children and the like, that we have a lot to do to get through a day. But let me just say that I think, and I appreciate your question. It's a very critical policy question. I think we're going to continue. You know, some of what we heard and learned when we passed this half cent sales tax in 2004 and this vehicle registration fee in 2010 so what you're going to notice in both of these programs is there's not a category for developing and building bike projects because not only do we have 19 percent of people over 65, we have 30 plus percent people over 60. So when, you know, when we raise revenue, and we're going to be asking ourselves this in the next couple years, should we raise more revenue? You know, what was learned in this approach in 2004 and this approach in 2010 is that, We know, we aren't going to invest in infrastructure that a majority of users may not use. And so the board decided wisely enough that we're going to address congestion, school congestion. We have a huge demand for school bus service now, which is going unfunded. |
| 00:39:27.78 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:39:27.97 | Unknown | I see. |
| 00:39:28.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:39:31.47 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:40:52.39 | Diane | We're going to try and do a little work on 101, and we're going to support transit. And transit is also a critical feature for seniors in a growing population. What we were able to do in this program, our two latte a year, $10 vehicle registration fee, is dedicate 35% to improving transit for seniors and people with disabilities. And we have a tremendous senior mobility management program, from volunteer drivers to free taxi service to shuttles, et cetera. And I think that has room for growth as well. So I think your policy point is going to be well heard, which is, you know, are we making sure we do good for the most users that we have? But I wanted to say that that same policy point was considered in these previous efforts of TAM and will be considered in the future. |
| 00:41:45.43 | Unknown | Thank you. Is there any other questions? Yes. Thank you. |
| 00:41:49.26 | Unknown | Thank you, Diane. One of your early slides, you have the comparison of the northbound data from 2011 and 12 to 2013. But that's, and it shows significant increases, but that's three years old. |
| 00:42:02.15 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:42:02.18 | Unknown | Thank you. And a couple of things. I'd like to understand, because I've seen other data about traffic on 101, you know, part of TAM that's much more current. I was wondering why you were using that, particularly in light of the fact that we're looking at ramp metering. And also part of that question is, |
| 00:42:11.84 | Kayla Kahn | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:42:12.02 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:42:12.09 | Kayla Kahn | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:42:20.41 | Unknown | What do you see? Do you see this trend going up from 2013 to now or not? But I was just kind of curious, because that seems pretty old data, and I was wondering why |
| 00:42:31.63 | Diane | You know, we physically went out and did counts. Um, |
| 00:42:31.68 | Unknown | White was. |
| 00:42:35.66 | Diane | You actually saw my staff along the side of the freeway counting cars, and we got some other volunteers to do this at no cost. We need to update this. This is just a data point, and you're absolutely right. It's a couple years old. And we'd like to get more recent data. We're going to do that as part of this, you know, getting ready for ramp metering if, in fact, it's going to come. We want to make sure we understand exactly what's happening. But we do see fluctuation. And you'll know if gas prices go up in 2017 and suddenly our economy slows down. I mean, we could get entirely different figures at some of these locations. And we never thought that would happen until it happened in 2002-03, the dot-com bus, and it happened in 2009-10. So we know that there was some volatility. So the answer is we want to get more recent data and make that available. |
| 00:43:32.21 | Unknown | But you do have data on 101 traffic flows at different times. That's much more current, correct? We do, yes. And that's accessible to the public as well. It is accessible, yes. |
| 00:43:35.01 | Diane | We do. That's much more current, correct? We do. And that's accessible to the public as well. It is accessible. |
| 00:43:40.94 | Unknown | And I do have another question, totally different. On the express lanes, |
| 00:43:44.90 | Diane | Yeah. |
| 00:43:45.70 | Unknown | I just had a question. Could you just take a minute or two? How would they charge? I mean, how would this, how would you charge someone for the express lanes? |
| 00:43:52.73 | Diane | you charge, the simple answer is you charge with a switchable fast track card. Okay, so you switch it on if you use the lane, and if you're in a carpool, you switch it off. The key to this is monitoring and enforcement. And there's some thought now, and this is an interesting statistic. Let me see if I can find this. There's some thought now that, you We have so many via the HOV lane. So we have an impacted HOV lane. That means our carpool lane is full. So if you're going to become a carpool and get travel time savings, there are certain times a day, particularly northbound 101, the same stretch we're talking about, where you don't get any time savings because it's packed with cars and buses. Same thing with buses. I mean, the Golden Gate Bridge District actually adopted a policy saying, we'll just switch to three-person carpools so the lane will empty out and my buses can actually get through and we can get people to ride the bus. Our violation rates are very high. And so part of this working group is, let's get the CHP in and find out what's the technology behind enforcement. Can we do infrared enforcement, which has been talked about but not implemented? And how can we get violators out of there so that we can reserve the lane for people that are in carpools, vanpools, and transit? So there's, but, you know, the idea of selling capacity is a sensitive one in Marin. It's sensitive all over, but particularly here because the carpool lane is full. And when you switch from two persons to three persons, the impact on the highway is going to be significant. So we've got to do, if we're going to do this, that all has to be taken into consideration and mitigated. So those are some of the things that we're studying and kicking around right now. We don't want a wholesale conversion to this. We want to do this in a way that doesn't impact us negatively. |
| 00:45:54.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:45:55.11 | Diane | Thank you. |
| 00:45:55.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:45:56.11 | Unknown | Can't remember why not. |
| 00:45:57.03 | Unknown | Thank you. As far as that Fast Track as an express, I noticed that you can't use your Fast Track that you have. You have to get another one that has some adapter on the side. Is that correct? That's correct. My other just last question is, |
| 00:46:03.06 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:46:11.77 | Diane | That's correct. |
| 00:46:16.10 | Unknown | Do you see any changing in the hours on 101, whether it's coming in in the morning, I believe, It's one of the earliest. I think it's 8.30. Yeah. In most of the other areas, it's much, much later. Or as a matter of fact, going north, I think it's what, 4.30? 4.30. 4.30. |
| 00:46:26.04 | Diane | Thank you. |
| 00:46:26.06 | Unknown | I think |
| 00:46:27.22 | Kayla Kahn | Thank you. |
| 00:46:27.98 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:46:28.05 | Diane | Yeah. |
| 00:46:28.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:38.11 | Diane | What? Thank you. |
| 00:46:40.44 | Unknown | you see in the future. |
| 00:46:40.49 | Diane | you see in the future? Possible. And a related question is, do you see the opposite direction having ours? Right now, we're, AM southbound and PM northbound. In Sonoma, the hours are the same for northbound and southbound. They're an extended set of hours. It's something that we're going to kick around. I'll just hearken back, and I'll probably age myself. Back in the early 90s, Caltrans said, let's change the afternoon carpool hours. Let's make them 3 o'clock and then that really is three to seven or six to ten is a common around the Bay Area there was tremendous awareness education that occurred Marin over that proposal I came through my agency and the Board of Supervisors torans that said, wait a minute, we use 101 to get from A to B as Main Street. It was really mothers going to pick up their kids that didn't want to, you know, couldn't be in a carpool at 3 o'clock. And so the hours were set based on usage back then which was 94 or 5 a period and it needs to be revisited and and should we change it I don't know if it'll change but we will definitely discuss it with Caltrans more and Sonoma would like us to have the same hours as them so that when they send carpools through Marin they've got the same benefit in Marin as Sonoma so yeah |
| 00:46:53.63 | Kayla Kahn | in PA. |
| 00:47:51.23 | Kayla Kahn | At 3 o'clock. At 3 o'clock. |
| 00:48:18.63 | Unknown | Are there any other questions before I open this for public comment? |
| 00:48:20.59 | Diane | you |
| 00:48:20.61 | Unknown | I have. I have one more question. So you mentioned telework. And I've always wondered why telework was not more aggressively pursued in terms of programs because of the reduction carbon footprint and there's the shift away from high density development and just all of this stuff. So I was wondering if you could comment on the telework program. |
| 00:48:23.51 | Unknown | Please. |
| 00:48:47.72 | Diane | We actually have a telework initiative that I'm going to send you some information on this. It's a very strong program. It's part of that vehicle registration fee program, employer-employee support. We are willing to do training of employers. We hold regular webinars on this. We've had some excellent trainers that can not only address tax law, but can address remote supervision, and we strongly encourage it. So we've done a lot to get the word out, and I'd be glad to share that with you so that you might be able to share it as well. |
| 00:48:53.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:54.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:54.12 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 00:48:54.27 | Kayla Kahn | THE FAMILY IS NOT A |
| 00:49:22.79 | Unknown | Yeah, that sounds great. Thank you, Diane. |
| 00:49:24.21 | Diane | Thank you. |
| 00:49:24.39 | Unknown | . |
| 00:49:24.43 | Diane | Thank you. you |
| 00:49:26.40 | Unknown | Thank you, Diane. Is there any member of the public who would like to comment on this topic this evening? David. |
| 00:49:39.80 | Unknown | David Sudo. I just, you know, I saw this topic on the agenda today, and, you know, we talked mostly about cars and cars congestion today, and I heard a little bit mention about pedestrians, but I know the city of Sausalito has some projects on our borders, especially Gate 6 Road that really needs some additional county or regional funding to get done that would really help with some of our bicycle congestion. In town, we have some car congestion, but we have a lot of bicycle congestion. And whether TAM could put a higher priority on some of those projects to help us with both safety and congestion, as far as that's concerned, at Gate at gate 6 Road we have a lot of interaction between bicycles and and cars that could really be helped with a little bit of with a little bit of money you know also We were talking about the bridge, and I know from experience, because I commute to Oakland, that most of the congestion is either on one end of the bridge or the other end unless there's an accident on the bridge. So perhaps if there's improvements on Thank you. on getting cars through San Rafael and that they won't be backed up on the bridge going westbound mostly the traffic backs up in the morning getting onto the bridge actually people paying cash for tolls And there's not an easy solution for that, I guess. And finally, I would like to, you know, I noticed you said, you know, how California ruled it, that we still need a driver in the car, but the NHTSA ruled last week that the car can qualify as a driver. So I'm not sure how that's going to affect California in those rules. But I'm really hoping that driverless cars can help Sausalito with some of their problems with getting people around, getting cars off the narrow side streets and things like that. |
| 00:51:47.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Is there any other member of the public would like to comment on this? Seeing none, I think there's no action tonight, but I'm sure there's some comments from Council. |
| 00:52:06.21 | Unknown | Thank you, Diane, for your overview. I just want to remind people, though, that we do have, we're represented on TAM, the current representative, But we also have the website with tam.ca.gov, which has A lot of information. The meetings are televised, and you can get video of them and audio of them. So if you're interested in any of these transportation issues, there's a wealth of information. You can go online, start there, look at old meetings, or watch it. So I just want to – and it's very interesting because you just touched the surface. There's a lot that goes on at TAM, and Diane has a big job. So I welcome people to explore that and follow it. Thank you. |
| 00:52:52.80 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you, Diane. Thank you, Tam. So my comment would be that I am a fan of mass transit. I personally have two electric bikes. I have a regular bike. I went to a conference in the city recently. I commuted by bus and cable car. It was great. The challenge I see is that if I could, and I'm lucky enough to live on the flats in Sausalito, so I can use a bike to run errands if I have the time for that. The challenge is a lot of residents live in the hills. A lot of people in Marin do not have just logistically it's impossible to be able to commute to work by bicycle and although I certainly you know we can encourage it we also I think it's important to keep a focus on the reality of not only how people live today but how they're going to live in the future and the demographics of our population the aging population in the Marin the fact that we're going to have self-driving cars. I see more people getting in cars with the self-driving and the aging population. And, you know, because one thing that it's an awareness when you're using mass transit, you have to walk. You have to, oftentimes, you have to drive someplace and then walk to the mass transit not everybody has the luxury of you know having a bus stop or a ferry stop you know within half a mile of their home or walkable distance so I think it's important when we look at strategies that we consider the realities of how people live because that way we have a nice, you know, a really nice balanced approach to the funding and we also relieve traffic congestion. I think it's important that with pursuing, if we look at the meter ramps coming, I guess, in Sausalito, the local control aspect is very important to me to get community input on that perhaps do a pilot you know period to see how it goes see if we we might want to you know tweak the hours or somewhat and the other thing is with regards to the telework I'm really happy to hear that I would really look forward to receiving your material I telework once a week and it's just wonderful in terms of work-life balance and it's also really has reduced my carbon footprint because you know you can go on and calculate that and it really had a big difference difference. And I was thinking, boy, if everyone who could in Marin was able to telework once a day, we would probably see huge reductions in CO2 imprint. So thank you, Diane, for the presentation. Thank you, Tam, for the work. And thank you very much. Yes. |
| 00:55:59.08 | Unknown | Any other comments? It just leaves me to say thank you very much for coming and for a very helpful and informative update. Thank you, Diane. Thank you. |
| 00:56:12.45 | Unknown | And you beat the traffic because it won't be any at this time going off. Does anybody need a direct signal? |
| 00:56:21.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:56:21.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:56:21.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:56:21.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:56:21.93 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. you Thank you. Our next item, five, is a public hearing appeal of a Planning Commission decision denying the decision to approve a design review and conditional use permit to construct a new two-level structure for a fitness center and manager's unit located inside the Sausalito Towers of apartment complex 5 to 6-65 Rodeo Avenue. This is DR-cup 14-329 danny castro our community development director |
| 00:56:54.89 | Unknown | This is a FORGET. |
| 00:57:04.39 | Unknown | Sorry. |
| 00:57:04.83 | Unknown | Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem Withee and members of the council. As the... Councilmember Wheatley mentioned, yes, it is a review of an appeal of a Planning Commission denial of a project, address being 5 to 65 Rodeo Avenue, the Sausalito Towers apartment complex. On January 6th, the Planning Commission held a public hearing and denied by unanimous vote a designer review permit and modification to conditional use permit number 194 for the construction of a two-level, 2100 square foot manager's unit and fitness center. The application was filed by Peter Rose of Peter Rose Custom Homes on behalf of the owners of Sausalito Towers. The Planning Commission found the project to be consistent with the zoning development standards in terms of height, size, and location, and found that the use as a manager's building and fitness studio would be an improved amenity for Sausalito Towers residents and would augment the complex. However, the Planning Commission must make all 22 findings in order to grant a design review permit and a CUP. 13 design review findings and nine CUP findings have to be made. The planning commission could not make four out of the 22 findings. In general, the commission found that the project's exterior design and architecture was not harmonious and did not fit in with the surrounding building design of the Sausalito Towers complex. The planning commission suggested that the exterior be redesigned to make the look and feel the building to resemble modern and contemporary. and that it did not have to completely resemble the existing surrounding buildings but should be more harmonious with the surrounding buildings. The Planning Commission offered the option for the applicant to continue the project to consider redesign and to return to the Planning Commission. However, the applicant asked that the Planning Commission take a vote on the project as presented. The appeal to the city council is a de novo hearing and all 22 findings must be made in order to grant approval of the project. Four of the 22 findings, as I stated, could not be made by the planning commission. I'll be going over each of these four findings in more detail towards the end of this presentation. the Following the Planning Commission meeting of January 6th, an appeal was filed by Kayla Kahn, a Sausalito Towers resident. And Ms. Kahn states that all of the residents are in agreement that the proposed exterior design would be a welcome addition to the existing complex. Ms. Kahn requests that the City Council overturn the Planning Commission's denial of the project. I'll go over some background. The Sausalito Towers complex was approved and constructed in the early 1960s. It was originally named the Ardilla Apartments and was later renamed to the Sausalito Towers. The project was approved as a 90-unit apartment development. Here's a map showing its location within the city. It's located towards the northeast portion of the city in an area designated as R3, is bounded by open space, and the R2 2.5 residential zoning |
| 01:00:38.89 | Unknown | Here's an aerial view of the entire complex. It's a little over four acres in size, with the upslope portion of the parcel abutting city-owned land that's designated open space. And the entrance to the complex is off of Rodeo Avenue. Here's a photograph of existing surrounding buildings. The existing seven buildings of the apartment complex are of a 1960s modern contemporary design with prominent angled walls and balcony features consistent throughout the complex. The prominent materials and colors are blue, gray, stucco antrim, single siding in a natural wood color or painted blue, and wrought iron balcony railings. Here is a site plan of the complex. The property is accessed, again, off of Rodeo Avenue. You can see from this site plan that the buildings have a distinct shape and pattern. A private driveway circulates throughout the complex. And you will see that there is a swimming pool area that's situated between two buildings for private use by the residents. And this is located just above. So located just above the swimming pool is the location of the proposed manager's unit and fitness studio building. I won't remember. Here is the pool area, photographs of the pool area where the proposed structure is to be built next to the pool. And the photo to the right is a photo taken from the driveway at the street level. Here's a site plan that will include improvements within the immediate vicinity of the pool area. The manager's unit and fitness center will be constructed directly next to the pool. An accessible parking spot will be added to the open parking spaces to the south of the proposed structure. The number of parking spaces that exist now are 169 that serve the entire complex they'll be adding one so be 170 total parking spaces right now the parking exceeds what is what is minimally required for meeting the parking requirements Here are floor plans. You will see the lower image is the manager's unit, which is actually on the upper floor. And then the lower level is the fitness studio. |
| 01:03:06.22 | Unknown | Here's a photograph of story poles, which shows where the profile of the new two-story structure. There's access via elevator as well as stair access. There's no internal access between the manager's unit and the fitness studio below. |
| 01:03:22.00 | Kayla Kahn | Thank you. |
| 01:03:27.93 | Unknown | Here's an elevation that shows It's the east elevation, the site facing the pool and facing the bay. The building is 21 foot, tall, and 10,000 feet in height, 2,100 square feet. in size, the architectural design is a Spanish eclectic with the siding covered in smooth tucco, it's a medium blue-gray color, with wood trim, medium blue-gray as well, I have a color materials board just in front of the podium. I can pass that out. |
| 01:04:08.53 | Unknown | This is the west elevation, this photograph. I mean this architectural drawing. The side facing the rear of the parcel, facing the driveway. The design includes arched windows and balconies with redwood and wrought iron railings. On the second level of the structure, the building features a hipped roof design covered in asphalt shingles laid down in a wave pattern. and small copper dormers for attic ventilation And the building, the center feature of the building is clad in a decorative fieldstone veneer and is pronounced with an ornate hipped roof with curved roof and sides. The applicant's intention for the building design is to be purposely distinct from the design. and architecturally distinct from the surrounding buildings in the complex, and to be a standalone manager's unit and fitness center building. The building will match the colors and building finishes of the existing architecture. apartment building surrounding and the height will be lower than the surrounding buildings. Here are side elevations north and south of the building, and you can see it's built on a slope. The basis for the appeal The appellant, Kayla Kahn, states, number one, the complex is in need of a manager's unit and office as well as a fitness center to complement the area. The Planning Commission denied the proposal based solely on the exterior design of the building, stating that it was not compatible with the rest of the complex. Ms. Kahn states the residents are all in agreement with the proposed exterior design. It would be a welcome addition, and it actually has many different elements incorporated in the overall design and style of the complex as a whole. The new building would be distinctive and would stand as a centerpiece to the complex that all the residents would be proud of. The findings, the four findings that the Planning Commission cannot make, I'll go through each one. Number one is the proposed project is consistent with the general plan and any applicable specific plans, design guidelines, and this chapter. The planning commission found the project is not consistent with objective CD 1.0 scale and architectural diversity in that the design is a departure from the style of the surrounding buildings and draws little to no reference to the surrounding buildings in the complex. The introduction of Spanish eclectic design does not appear to promote diverse architecture that is in harmony with the neighboring structures. The planning commission found that the project is not consistent with policy CD 1.3 of the general plan, neighborhood compatibility of the general plan. The planning commission found that the design does not complement the subject property and is not compatible to the surrounding neighborhood. Design review permit number two the proposed architecture and site design complements the surrounding building and or district by either A maintaining the prevailing design character of the neighborhood, or B, introducing a distinctive and creative solution which takes advantage of the unique characteristics of the site and contributes to the design diversity of Sausalito. The Planning Commission found that the Spanish eclectic design does not complement the existing architecture and is not responsive to the existing buildings of Sausalito Towers. Does not introduce a distinctive and creative solution to the site and the design appears architecturally misplaced. |
| 01:07:59.63 | Unknown | Two of the nine findings of the CEP findings could not be made. Finding number B, the proposed use is consistent with the general plan, purposes of the zoning ordinance, and purposes of the political zoning district. The Planning Commission found the manager's unit and fitness center does provide an amenity for residents and is an appropriate use in addition to the complex. the structure its height and location would be consistent with the zoning. and standards for the R3 zoning district and views privacy and quality of life will be maintained. However, the proposed design is not consistent with the objectives that I mentioned in the previous slide of the general plan and does not complement the surrounding buildings of the complex and introduces a design that is not harmonious with the site. Finding number H, the proposed use will not materially adversely affect nearby properties or their permitted uses. The Planning Commission found that the proposed building does not complement the architecture and is not responsive to the existing buildings, which will materially adversely affect the aesthetics of nearby properties. The applicant did submit a proposed alternative design for the City Council's consideration, addressing some of the design suggestions from the Planning Commission at the January 6 meeting. The elements such as the tiled waved roof pattern and the windows have been revised to be squared off rather than arched. Here's another image of the west elevation in which the, again, removed the tiled roof pattern on the side, made all the windows square shaped and removed architectural embellishments such as the wrought iron that covered the windows and the small dormers on the roof What has remained the same is a center feature which was carried over from the originally proposed design. And it still appears too stylistic in staff's opinion. |
| 01:10:08.44 | Unknown | Here are side elevations of both north and south sides of the building. So staff's recommendation is that the Planning Commission, I mean, that the City Council, deny the appeal and adopt the resolution which upholds the Planning Commission denial of the design review permit and modification to CUP number 194. The council does have options and you could approve the appeal, approving the design review permit and direct staff to prepare a resolution. Number two, approve the alternative design as presented and direct staff to prepare a resolution to approve the permits. Number three, continue the public hearing for additional information and or project revisions. Or lastly, number four, remand the project to the planning commission for further consideration of a specific issue. That concludes my report and I'm available for questions. |
| 01:11:13.47 | Unknown | Thank you, Danny. Before I, excuse me a second, before we ask for any questions, I failed to ask for any disclosures of ex-party communications. So, I don't know if anybody has any such disclosures. |
| 01:11:33.67 | Unknown | I have none and I did visit the site and review the videotape of the Planning Commission |
| 01:11:42.36 | Unknown | I talked to the applicant, I visited the site, and I viewed the Planning Commission video |
| 01:11:50.50 | Unknown | I also viewed the planning commission video. |
| 01:11:53.43 | Unknown | you |
| 01:11:53.50 | Unknown | you |
| 01:11:53.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:53.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:53.97 | Unknown | I also viewed the Planning Commission video and I did go up there didn't speak to anybody but went up there |
| 01:12:04.37 | Unknown | Thank you. Well, sorry, we didn't do that at the beginning. So Danny, are there any specific questions for our Community Development Director at this stage? |
| 01:12:17.82 | Unknown | No? |
| 01:12:18.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:18.04 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:12:18.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:18.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:18.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:18.80 | Unknown | you |
| 01:12:18.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:18.86 | Unknown | Councilman. |
| 01:12:19.22 | Unknown | Yeah, just a clarification that in addition to the concern regarding the design, there was also the concern regarding the CUP, the fact that they're adding another unit, that that augments the mass of the apartment complex, correct? |
| 01:12:33.11 | Unknown | things. |
| 01:12:39.01 | Unknown | Well, the CUP findings, the two CUP findings that could not be made were largely based on the aesthetics, the exterior design. |
| 01:12:49.90 | Unknown | But there was something about the fact that they're going from 90 units to 91 units. |
| 01:12:53.83 | Unknown | Right. The reason that they must undergo a modification is because the current approval for the project limits the units to 90, and so therefore a CUP modification to allow one additional unit. |
| 01:13:14.77 | Unknown | But just to be clear, the Planning Commission didn't deny that aspect of it. They focused on the design. That's my understanding. |
| 01:13:20.59 | Unknown | They focus on design, however, of the nine conditional use permit findings, two could not be made that relate to the aesthetics and the exterior design of the project. |
| 01:13:33.05 | Unknown | But I thought the planning commission also mentioned the fact that, that one of their concerns was that, you know, the, the need to, that it was augmenting the size and that they would need to pursue that approval. |
| 01:13:47.96 | Unknown | approval that's that's part of this approval |
| 01:13:51.17 | Unknown | Okay, so that was part of the Planning Commission's findings. Okay, that's my understanding. |
| 01:14:01.23 | Unknown | Any other questions? Okay, so... We now have the applicant and or appellate can Um, are welcome to give a presentation or talk to the Council and you have total of 10 minutes for your team combined after that we'll ask for any public comment and if in fact there is and you would like to rebuttal that comment, you will have another five minutes after that. So good evening, sir, and you have 10 minutes for you and your team. |
| 01:14:40.18 | Peter Rose | I am Peter Rose, the architect on it. Um, The only thing really that I wanted to say is that we are fully prepared to move forward with the alternative design, which I've worked with planning staff to massage it to take care of some of the questions. that they had originally from the Planning Commission. |
| 01:15:09.27 | Peter Rose | So I'm here to basically answer any questions that you may have. One thing, too, that I want to clarify is that it really isn't Spanish style. I mean, it really is more of a modern... with a tinge of French neglect, really, more than Spanish. So I wanted to kind of clarify that. Plus, there are four styles of rubes on the complex now, and three styles of stonework on the project now. all the materials are consistent with what's existing. |
| 01:15:54.26 | Peter Rose | The other issue is that the building is completely I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. out of view of any of the surrounding properties or the street. It's only viewed from within the project. |
| 01:16:12.84 | Unknown | Do we have any questions of the applicant or? |
| 01:16:17.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:17.59 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:16:17.85 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:16:18.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:18.32 | Unknown | Why did you decide not to take one of the recommendations, or I don't know if it was to consider design revisions at that level before coming up to us? |
| 01:16:30.69 | Peter Rose | You know what, honestly, it wasn't my decision. It was the owner who was at the meeting at the planning commission, and he gave them the option to approve or deny. If it had been my decision, I would have continued it and worked out the details. Thank you. |
| 01:16:47.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:49.32 | Peter Rose | Okay. |
| 01:16:50.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:50.97 | Peter Rose | Sure. |
| 01:16:52.96 | Unknown | Okay, is there, you have 10 minutes. I don't wanna cut you short. So you can always use it at- Well, the other thing, |
| 01:17:03.65 | Peter Rose | Well, the other thing that I just thought of, and Kayla is going to present that, is that we have petitions from virtually all of the residents who unanimously approve the project and want it very badly. |
| 01:17:19.07 | Unknown | Okay. If Kayla's also going to present something, then make sure we don't go over time, because it's 10 for the whole team. So perhaps. |
| 01:17:31.09 | Peter Rose | Okay. |
| 01:17:40.27 | Kayla Kahn | Hi, I'm Kayla Kahn and I live at the towers. There's approximately 200 people there. And they all want a fitness center. I don't understand why... You're so adamant against a fitness center because we have There's plenty of room. and there's enough parking. It's not going to be seen by anybody but us. Everybody likes it. Everybody wants it. I don't understand why you're against it. Please tell me. I mean, what objections do you have to it? You're not going to answer me? |
| 01:18:19.58 | Unknown | Well, I think we will reserve that when we comment. |
| 01:18:20.73 | Kayla Kahn | This is question time. Okay. Well I would urge you to approve the alternate design as presented and direct staff to prepare a resolution to approve the design review permit and modification to condition unit condition use permit number 194. And I certainly hope that I certainly hope that you do approve this because we all want it very much. Some of us are a lot older and we would really like a fitness center. Thank you. |
| 01:18:50.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:50.35 | Kayla Kahn | Thank you. |
| 01:18:50.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:18:50.40 | Kayla Kahn | you |
| 01:18:50.52 | Unknown | you. Thank you, Caleb. Is there anything more, sir, you'd like to say or add at this point? No? OK. So is there any member of the public who would like to comment on this appeal? And seeing none, if there's nothing more to say, I'll close the public hearing and bring it up. Please, Kayla. Okay. |
| 01:19:25.43 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:19:40.35 | Unknown | So we'll close the public hearing and bring it back here for any comment before we entertain a motion. |
| 01:19:51.92 | Unknown | So thank you, Peter, and thank you, Kayla, for your comments. And, you know, I love Sausalito Towers. When you go up there, you just see the unique and distinct architecture of that structure. And, you know, it's got that real defined ambiance to its architecture. It's really, really unique unique and I think that the sentiment of the Planning Commission was to maintain that and enhance that uniqueness you know with with this project and so that's all and I and I think that my I can certainly see the the the usefulness of for the fitness center. My concern has to do with process. I think that this needs to, I lean towards number four, send this back to the planning commission. You have new architecture designs. Let our planning commissioners do what they do. You've done, my understanding is you've worked with one or some of them or staff to address their considerations. Let the planning commission review that. Let them weigh in on those changes and it will be a better product. But I don't feel, um, I don't feel comfortable, uh, you know, coming to us with a new design, um, and, uh. and then us making assumptions about whether those changes did or did not address the Planning Commission's concerns. So my recommendation would be to remand the project back to the Planning Commission to take a look at this new design. So again, you know, to me, it's, it's, and I also think that the planning commission needs to take a look at the fact that you're going from 90 units to 91 units. That's a modification of the CUP number 194. So that was the other thing that the planning commission mentioned. And, you know, I'm sure that, you know, it will, I mean, if, if the changes address all the things that were, you know, applied, then I can see it. you know, going through with well, I can't predict what the Planning Commission will do, but that's my sentiment. |
| 01:22:29.92 | Unknown | Councilmember Theodores. |
| 01:22:31.22 | Unknown | Yeah, I have a question for the city attorney. I, if we did remand it, that means that we'd have to come back to the council. Correct. |
| 01:22:39.14 | Mary Wagner | Yes, so if you remand it, you're basically asking the Planning Commission for their recommendation to the council because the appeal would still be pending. Another alternative is that the city council could deny the project or deny the appeal, uphold the Planning Commission's decision, but do it without prejudice because that would allow the applicant to return to the planning commission with a same or similar application. Usually you can't do that within a year unless the council says that the denial is without prejudice. |
| 01:23:11.79 | Unknown | So I would take the suggestion of the city attorney. I think we do not want to remand it only because we'd have to come back here. I think we could deny the project without prejudice. I recommend it. I can't make the four findings. I mean, I think it is very clear, and Kayla, we're not so much denying the project and saying that we can't have this, these, the, um, The staff and the planning commission clearly and unanimously said the design did not work for the city and in that project. That's something, that's their job. So. They clearly gave the applicant the opportunity to continue and work out a design that works for everyone. The owner decided not to do that. Not a good move. because we're here today, we could have spent this time at the Planning Commission with a revised THEIR HISTORY. project. So what I recommend that we do is we deny without prejudice so you can come back, go through the process again with the planning commission. and go through this and get a design that works for the planning commission and staff and hopefully you will not have to come back to see us again |
| 01:24:14.94 | Unknown | Can I take that as a motion? |
| 01:24:16.69 | Unknown | I would, I mean, unless you guys want to- Second. |
| 01:24:18.65 | Unknown | Second. |
| 01:24:20.05 | Unknown | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:24:21.97 | Unknown | Mr. Rose, can I ask you something? |
| 01:24:27.91 | Unknown | how far apart are you from if you go back with a design revision from the planning commission, do you feel? |
| 01:24:40.33 | Peter Rose | I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. |
| 01:24:41.57 | Unknown | In other words, if you go back, if we send you back to the Planning Commission, do you see there is some room to be able to work with the staff? |
| 01:24:53.45 | Peter Rose | Yeah. Thank you. Actually the modifications that I made on the alternative plan pretty much answered all of their questions except for the one front element there where the stone And the bay window is... And, you know, there is other stone on the property. We're trying to make the front look a little bit more you know. warm, because otherwise the whole thing is stucco. And we are trying to break that up a little bit and have a little centerpiece on the building. And half of that that wall is subterranean below the hillside anyway. And so really, that's that's really about the only element that that we didn't address that the that the planning staff had requested. |
| 01:25:43.31 | Unknown | And it's only the residents that really see this anyway. Absolutely. That live at the towers. Yeah. I know. |
| 01:25:46.69 | Peter Rose | Absolutely. Yeah, I know. And I would ask why the council wouldn't choose the, approve the alternate design. |
| 01:26:01.69 | Peter Rose | Which is one of your options. I mean, I would be happy to have that. |
| 01:26:02.84 | Unknown | I mean, I would be happy. I mean, this is a Planning Commission function. I mean, and this is a staff function. neither of which have said they would like this design. I mean, we really shouldn't be here talking about this. This is something you need to work at that level. And we'd have to review it and we'd and we don't we're not equipped to it. Staff has also recommended against the alternate design. So you really need to go back, work with staff with and bring it back to the planning commission. I think it's the cleanest and simplest way. |
| 01:26:30.04 | Unknown | I think. And I would just add to that comment that I concur. I understand that some changes have been made. That's great. You've squared the windows. But when you look at Sausalito Towers, it has a very distinct 1960s. It's just a very unique building. And I still see that Spanish eclectic front when I look at that. And so I think the best thing, and I think you will be happy with that process too, is to go back to the planning commission, work with staff, and really capture the essence of the spirit of that apartment complex. It's really a unique structure. When you get up there, it feels like you're in that era. It's really cool. So I think that's the intent is to maintain that architectural spirit. |
| 01:27:22.67 | Peter Rose | Unfortunately, as the architect, I have to kind of be in the middle between that and what the owner wants. |
| 01:27:30.33 | Unknown | And that's kind of difficult. Understood, sir. |
| 01:27:30.37 | Peter Rose | Thank you. And that's kind of difficult. The one thing too that I'll say is that one of the reasons that we picked the hip roof design is because there is a view of the bay from the street level and we are trying to reduce some of the roof blocking some of that view so that kind of established the hip roof, which doesn't exist on the property now. But so we were trying to maximize the view from the street too. So. |
| 01:27:59.90 | Unknown | Thank you. We're in council comments here. Is there anybody else? You've got a motion. We've got a second. I would like to just add a couple of comments, if I may. |
| 01:28:01.01 | Peter Rose | Okay. |
| 01:28:10.28 | Unknown | And then I have one quick comment after you. |
| 01:28:11.93 | Unknown | you and that is you know we I with with design issues like this I pay very gate deference to the Planning Commission that's their job and together with staff who also were not recommending the alternate for a variety of reasons. I think you've articulated why. You know, we didn't need to see this up here. Your client really should have taken advantage, in my view, of continuing the Planning Commission hearing. It could have, you could have worked out with staff, the final issues and it need not have come here. So I believe our only course is to support Councilmember Theodorse's motion seconded by Councilmember Pfeiffer. You wanted to add something, Councilmember Pfeiffer? |
| 01:29:04.98 | Unknown | Yeah, well, I think and it's the aesthetics. It's also I know the Planning Commission, you know, does mention the need for the modification to the CUP number 194 because you're increasing the unit from 90 to 91. So that's something else the Planning Commission will work with you for But I think that's the process that will yield the best results and make make everyone, you know, happy with the outcome including residents and the architecture and the owner |
| 01:29:08.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:29:30.65 | Unknown | Thank you. So let's call for a vote. Lily, if we can, this is on council members' motion to deny the appeal without prejudice. |
| 01:29:40.56 | Unknown | Councilmember Theodorus. |
| 01:29:41.91 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:29:42.24 | Unknown | Thank you. Councilmember Weiner? Yes. Councilmember Pfeiffer? |
| 01:29:43.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:29:43.49 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:29:43.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:29:46.65 | Unknown | Yes. Vice Mayor with you. |
| 01:29:48.22 | Unknown | Yes. That carries 4-0. Passes 4-0. |
| 01:29:49.82 | Unknown | Next. |
| 01:29:50.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:29:50.09 | Unknown | I'm not going to be a |
| 01:29:50.40 | Unknown | The process is... Vice Mayor Withey, can I make just a point just regarding the process? Should the applicant wish to... Um, Make an application, a new application, as it is a denial without prejudice. The application requires the associated fees. It would be a new application. Okay. Thank you. to make sure that the applicant understands that there would be fees that would be applied. It's not a continuance. |
| 01:30:13.73 | Kayla Kahn | makes sure |
| 01:30:26.64 | Unknown | This matter is over. Thank you very much sir, thank you Kayla. Thank you. Item seven, city manager reports and other reports. A, city manager information for council. |
| 01:30:31.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:31.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:32.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:43.40 | Unknown | At 8.35. |
| 01:30:45.37 | Adam Politzer | Yes, thank you, Mr. Vice Mayor. |
| 01:30:49.58 | Unknown | Adam, you have up until midnight tonight. |
| 01:30:52.29 | Adam Politzer | No, I'm actually going to take a pass and defer any questions council has of me. But I will defer my report to our next meeting. Nothing new to report at this moment. |
| 01:30:52.85 | Unknown | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 01:31:06.50 | Unknown | Any questions of our city manager? |
| 01:31:10.21 | Unknown | Yes, has a time been firmed up for the ferry landing joint peace planning commission HLB meeting? Did I... |
| 01:31:22.09 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, in the, went out in the currents? Did it go out in the currents? Okay, going out on this Friday is the formal announcement in the currents. We're also sending out a postcard to every postal customer in town. But the first public hearing, as I shared at the last meeting, that we were trying to get confirmed was March 16th. So that meeting will be held at IDES Hall. And then the second meeting |
| 01:31:46.92 | Unknown | sorry Adam that so it's because you mentioned it but like you said you need a confirmation so now it's confirmed and that's Wednesday March 16th and 630 630 p.m. okay |
| 01:31:50.92 | Adam Politzer | It's now confirmed, yes. |
| 01:31:56.99 | Adam Politzer | At 6.30 p.m. Okay. At Eid-Estall. |
| 01:32:01.95 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:32:02.97 | Adam Politzer | And the second meeting will be, remind me, March 20, Tuesday, March 29th, also at IDES TALL. 630? Same time, 630. And then we tentatively scheduled the city council meeting, assuming that there's a recommendation that's made by the HLB and Planning Commission for Tuesday, April 3rd, April 5th, Tuesday, April 5th, at our normal council meeting time at 7 PM, also to be held at IDES TALL. |
| 01:32:14.51 | Unknown | 6.30? |
| 01:32:35.64 | Unknown | What about the 3D model, physical 3D model? Has there been any movement on that? |
| 01:32:41.44 | Adam Politzer | We sent a request to the district late last week with a request for the 3D model and also included enlarged storyboards of the seven view corridors that are in the presentation. And so we're waiting for a response. |
| 01:33:00.97 | Unknown | And just for the record, I wanted that to be part of the requirements of the design specifications. But I don't think I had the votes on that. And the other thing is, when will the materials be released to the public? Will it be a week before the 16th? Will it be two weeks before? Do we have clarity on that? It's okay if we don't know yet. They haven't told us yet. But if you could maybe... let the council know when they get back to you. |
| 01:33:40.72 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think that we've looked at a week and a half in advance, and what's important to share, as I think we discussed before, the first meeting, and this is what we've shared with the HLB and planning commissioners, the first meeting is to, |
| 01:33:53.50 | Unknown | you |
| 01:33:53.55 | Kayla Kahn | I'm not sure. |
| 01:33:56.65 | Adam Politzer | present the actual project to give the, to walk through all of the elements of the project. The second meeting is the actual go through the seven findings or the seven Thank you. findings that the council denied the project and for the district to walk through those seven findings explaining why the changes that they made now meet the city's requirements so you know they will provide all of that information up front the narrative and the response to the the seven items that the council found that they could not approve the project. So all of this information. the narrative and the response to the seven items that the council found that they could not approve the project so all of this information will be at least a week and a half in advance correct March 2nd, but the actual hearing For that part of the discussion will be the second meeting that Tuesday, March 29th. |
| 01:34:56.07 | Unknown | So just to clarify then all the material. |
| 01:34:57.60 | Adam Politzer | So the public will have significant time before the actual meaningful discussion on March 29th. |
| 01:35:02.50 | Unknown | So the materials, including the 3D model, hope, hopefully, will be available on Wednesday, the 2nd of March. |
| 01:35:15.26 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:35:15.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:15.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:15.53 | Unknown | We gave them the deadline of March 2nd, so if they come in, close the business, they'll be posted the next day. |
| 01:35:20.88 | Unknown | the next day, perfect. |
| 01:35:22.90 | Unknown | Any other questions of city manager? |
| 01:35:24.79 | Unknown | I do have a question. So, Adam, city staff sent an email regarding the emergency homeless shelters, and I just wanted to clarify something on that email. It was my understanding last year we had a community outcry, a lot of concern around that, the zones identified for the emergency homeless shelters. And the intent, as I heard it at the time, was that the mayor formed, I guess, a working group with the intent of making changes and coming back to council. So I've been waiting and encouraging this to be agendized prior to the deadline to give the people ample time to weigh in. The email that we saw from staff, it seemed to, and I may have misinterpreted this, and so that's why I'm asking. It seemed to suggest that this was nothing more than a status report to HCD, as opposed to a change in the Emergency Homeless Shelter Program. So can you clarify that for me? |
| 01:36:51.12 | Mary Wagner | Sure, thank you Councilmember Pfeiffer and if need be I think Lily can jump in as well. The report that's going to HCD, I believe it's on April 1st, is exactly that. It's a report to HCD on the actions that the city indicated it would take in the housing element that was adopted in 2014. So that is separate and apart from the city council taking action on an ordinance to undertake any modifications to the existing. So that is separate and apart from the city council taking action on an ordinance to undertake any modifications to the existing overlay district, which will be brought to you as you indicated. The mayor and vice mayor have been working on that as the ad hoc committee. That will be brought back to public hearing in front of the city council on, we believe the second meeting in April. |
| 01:37:39.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:37:39.39 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:37:39.52 | Unknown | So thank you for that clarification. So the April 1st referral is the status report to last year's, the 2014 housing element. The April 2nd is going to be our first exposure to the newly proposed emergency shelter program. |
| 01:38:04.65 | Mary Wagner | So there are a couple of components here. The annual reporting to HCD is April 1st. The city is required to do that annually. The revisions to the emergency shelter overlay district and the regulations we anticipate to bring back to the council at your second meeting in April. You've seen some of the suggested revisions approximately a year ago. Well, |
| 01:38:28.48 | Unknown | that. |
| 01:38:31.83 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 01:38:32.03 | Unknown | I, |
| 01:38:32.27 | Mary Wagner | I'd be happy to talk to you. |
| 01:38:33.50 | Unknown | I don't, I know, I remember it was completely. That's when this issue |
| 01:38:33.52 | Mary Wagner | I don't. That's when this issue actually came up. We had some technical revisions that we were asked to make by HCD that we brought to the city council, and that's when the issue of the location of the zone came up. So all of that will be brought back to you for further consideration in April. |
| 01:38:52.34 | Unknown | So my question is, I don't know what that looks like. I don't know what that new program is going to look like. So how soon will council and the public get a copy of that prior to it coming to the council? |
| 01:39:06.80 | Mary Wagner | The same time you would as a normal agenda deadline? |
| 01:39:09.30 | Unknown | So it's not going to be released earlier than that. |
| 01:39:11.57 | Mary Wagner | No, and nothing that's going to HCD has any of that information in it. All we're telling HCD is here's what we're doing to meet the requirements that you laid out in the housing element. |
| 01:39:22.20 | Unknown | I'm not talking about the status report. I understand. I'm sorry. I'm talking about the homeless, the emergency shelter program that we heard concerns about last year. There was a working group formed, and they were going to come back with recommendations for changes. And that's what I'm asking for. And I'm wondering if, instead of waiting four days before the council session, if that's already been done, if that new program and those changes have been implemented, could those changes be posted now? |
| 01:39:24.21 | Mary Wagner | I understand that. |
| 01:39:56.26 | Mary Wagner | And Councilmember Pfeiffer, nothing's been implemented. because the council hasn't taken action to implement anything. The working group is just making a recommendation to the city council. those documents aren't ready yet to be reviewed. They'll be in your staff report. And I would look to the other members up here if there's anything else that I'm missing, but, um, It also needs to go to the Planning Commission first, thank you for that, because there are changes to your zoning ordinance. So when they go to the Planning Commission, they'll obviously be available to the public at that time as well. |
| 01:40:29.47 | Unknown | And so I believe then the email, when it refers to it going to the Planning Commission March 30th, that was the emergency shelter program and not just the status report. Thank you. |
| 01:40:41.96 | Mary Wagner | It's all of it. It's the revisions to the ordinance and the suggested modifications to the overlay zone. |
| 01:40:47.32 | Unknown | OK. |
| 01:40:47.36 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Thank you. So I stand corrected. That will be available before it comes to the city council because, of course, it changes to the zoning ordinance. It has to go to the planning commission first. When we make it available to the planning commission, we'd be happy to send it to the city council as well. |
| 01:40:59.88 | Unknown | That would be great. And the other thing is that when is the deadline? Is there a deadline? I know there's a deadline for the status report. Is there a deadline for making changes to the emergency homeless shelter program? |
| 01:41:15.55 | Mary Wagner | Yes, and it already passed. |
| 01:41:17.98 | Unknown | What was it? |
| 01:41:19.10 | Mary Wagner | It was December of 2015. |
| 01:41:23.70 | Unknown | Okay, so I don't know. I was not on the working group. Yeah, and that was in the staff room. |
| 01:41:26.34 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, that was in the staff reports that were brought to you Councilmember Fyfer the full council when we brought forward the changes that the HCD had suggested I would suggest you were getting in a little bit more in-depth discussion Other than just you know a question on an item. That's not on your agenda I'd be happy to work with you and talk to you more about it in the future if you would like |
| 01:41:46.67 | Unknown | Well, I guess I just want to understand what the deadline, you just said the deadline passed. You said, well, it was in the staff report. I don't remember. I was not on the working group on that and I was waiting. I know I've been pushing for the past six months for this to be agendized. Now you're telling me the deadline has passed. What does that, where does that leave us? |
| 01:42:08.31 | Mary Wagner | Councilmember Pfeiffer, the changes that HCD requested the city make in the housing element. brought to the full city council with the deadline clearly identified That's when the working group was created to additionally look at the issue of where the zones are located That was not an issue that was raised by HCD. I know. So I'm just trying to answer your question, that those issues were raised in front of the full city council, we're happy to send you those staff reports again if that would be helpful. |
| 01:42:26.04 | Unknown | I know. |
| 01:42:35.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:35.10 | Unknown | No, I need to clarify something. I think this conversation has gone way beyond simple questions. |
| 01:42:35.41 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:42:35.52 | Mary Wagner | Bye. |
| 01:42:35.64 | Mary Wagner | I think. |
| 01:42:36.03 | Unknown | I need to clarify something. |
| 01:42:38.97 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:42:39.03 | Unknown | and the No, it's very, very important to get clarity on this. What HCD requested in terms of the two changes, I get that. I get that. That deadline. was clarified. I'm talking about what the community was upset about, the thing that the working group was going to focus on. And what is the deadline for that? |
| 01:43:02.17 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:43:02.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:43:02.32 | Mary Wagner | There is no doubt. |
| 01:43:03.05 | Unknown | . |
| 01:43:03.10 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:43:03.13 | Unknown | for that. Okay, that's my answer. Thank you. |
| 01:43:03.50 | Mary Wagner | Okay. |
| 01:43:07.32 | Unknown | Okay, is there any other questions of the city manager? Any member of the public would like to comment on the city manager report? Uh... Thank you. Okay, moving on. Council member committee reports, if any. No, any public comment? No, future agenda items. Any future Jed items? |
| 01:43:38.94 | Unknown | I just wanted to perhaps a status update on the Gossage, the Bridgeway Marina situation and code enforcement, because I went down there a couple weeks ago, and there was a lot of toxic... and chemicals right there next to the coastline, and it was of great concern. So I understand negotiations are going on, but there is toxic waste there, and it's just of concern. |
| 01:44:22.06 | Unknown | Okay, any other future agenda items? Any member of the public wish to comment on future agenda items, seeing none. Any other reports of significance? If not, I entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Okay, we are adjourned. |