| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:00:00.03 | Linda Pfeiffer | Thank you. Thank you. almost no use of pain. |
| 00:00:05.45 | John Rohrabacher | Thank you. |
| 00:00:05.58 | Linda Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 00:00:05.60 | John Rohrabacher | What am I going to do with all this paperwork? |
| 00:00:08.21 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:00:08.25 | John Rohrabacher | Thank you. |
| 00:00:08.27 | Jill Hoffman | You guys ready? |
| 00:00:08.35 | Linda Pfeiffer | TODAY. |
| 00:00:08.91 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:00:08.94 | John Rohrabacher | you Thank you. |
| 00:00:12.15 | Jill Hoffman | Good evening. Welcome to Tuesday, June 14th, Saucydeau City Council meeting. I now call the meeting to order. Lily, would you please take the roll? |
| 00:00:21.60 | Lily | Thank you. Councilmember Weiner? Thank you. |
| 00:00:23.17 | Linda Pfeiffer | President. |
| 00:00:23.81 | Lily | Councilmember Theodorus. Present. Councilmember Pfeiffer. Here. Vice Mayor Withey. Here. Mayor Hoffman. |
| 00:00:24.91 | Linda Pfeiffer | Present. here. |
| 00:00:28.35 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 00:00:32.62 | Jill Hoffman | Items D1 through D4 on our agenda this evening will be discussed in closed session. Do we have any public comment on closed session items? Seeing no one approaching the podium, I'm assuming that we do not. we have no public comment on closed session items and I now close the meeting adjourn the meeting for closed session |
| 00:01:10.23 | Jill Hoffman | Oh yeah, ready? |
| 00:01:13.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:14.80 | Jill Hoffman | Welcome to the... Welcome to the June 14th, 2016 City Council meeting. We are returning from closed session. Lily, can you please call the roll? |
| 00:01:19.78 | Unknown | Do you know? |
| 00:01:20.03 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 00:01:20.05 | Unknown | forward. |
| 00:01:20.36 | Lily | I need. |
| 00:01:20.83 | Unknown | you. |
| 00:01:28.91 | Lily | Councilmember Pfeiffer. Oh, and first here. Council member Theodorus. Present. Council member Weiner. |
| 00:01:33.47 | Linda Pfeiffer | present. THE FAMILY. |
| 00:01:36.29 | Lily | Vice Mayor Withey? Here. |
| 00:01:37.15 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:01:37.16 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yeah. |
| 00:01:37.97 | Jill Hoffman | Hoffman. A present. I don't believe we have any closed session announcements. Moving on. Do we have any public comment on closed session items? Oh, sorry, oops, I skipped over the Pledge of Allegiance. Keith Kennedy, would you please lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? |
| 00:02:01.13 | Unknown | to the flag. of the United States of America. and to the republic for which it stands. Thank you. nation. Amen. into this hole. with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Ray. Thank you. |
| 00:02:18.05 | Jill Hoffman | All right. All right. Do we have any public comment on closed session items? Do we have a motion to approve the agenda? |
| 00:02:31.55 | Ray Withy | move. |
| 00:02:32.58 | Jill Hoffman | Second? Anyone? |
| 00:02:33.93 | Tom Theodores | Second. |
| 00:02:34.96 | Jill Hoffman | All in favor? |
| 00:02:35.75 | Tom Theodores | Bye. |
| 00:02:35.87 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Special presentations, mayor announcements. I don't believe we have any this evening. Communications. This is the time for the city council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda, except in very limited situations. State law precludes council from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the Council may refer matters not on the agenda to City staff or direct that the subject be agendized for a future meeting. Please make sure you have completed speaker's card and turn in the city clerk if you'd like to make a statement. I believe I have one speaker card from David Sudo for items not on the agenda. Yes, sir. |
| 00:03:22.38 | Unknown | Mayor and City Council, I'm here today to make sure the community knows what's happening right now at our school board for Sausalito Marin City. This week and next, they are finalizing a budget that will permanently harm a generation of students, ensuring generational poverty and reinforcing the virtual economic and social apartheid that exists between Sausalito and Marin City. The school board is planning on assigning seven and a half full-time equivalent teachers to teach nine grade levels with no art, music, PE, or language specialists. Two and a half of these positions have not even been filled for next year. Two teachers will be responsible for teaching three grade levels, all subject levels, which is an impossible task, which would take 10 to 12 hours a day to be fully successful. Instead of dealing with these facts, They're deciding to pass a bond measure to fund improvements that are needed at Willow Creek and a few items that are needed at Bayside MLK that were left undone from when they built this building. |
| 00:04:29.63 | Unknown | What can we do to ensure that we stop this permanent damage to our students at Bayside MLK and provide the equity they need? Mainly this comes down to money. With the growing Willow Creek School enrollment and the student population that is two times what it was 10 years ago, the school district likely needs to close a million dollar operational budget deficit. In addition to the operational funds to fully fund MLK, in Willow Creek. |
| 00:05:05.67 | Unknown | How can we fund this? We can do what every other K-8 school district except the three one-room schools on the Marin-Sonoma border do. We can pass a parcel tax. The average parcel tax in Marin is over $500, with the lowest being $192 and the highest being nearly $1,100. |
| 00:05:30.04 | Unknown | We currently have zero. I'm guessing 200 to $300 a year would be all we need to fully fund our schools. And if you're over 65, you can get a tax exemption like you do for the Tam High tax parcel tax. With the resources our town has, it is simply shameful that our public school is so woefully understaffed and under-resourced. We need to step up and make sure that this is stopped. We owe it to the children of our school district that they will not be left behind. Our schools should be a source of pride and an example of how much we respect and cherish our community's children and not an example of the inequitable system that marginalizes and reinforces the shameful history of racism in California. It's not enough to say I'm not a racist to end racism in Sausalito. Racism has been built in the very fabric of Sausalito. Only active measures will erase past, current, and future inequities. Thank you. |
| 00:06:27.67 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:06:27.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:29.51 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. I have no other speaker cards for matters not on the agenda. I see no one else approaching the podium. What's that? Oh, yes, Lily. Yes. |
| 00:06:44.61 | Jill Hoffman | Hello. |
| 00:06:45.03 | Lili Shahabi | My name is Lili Shahabi. I have Lili Esselan. And recently we find out, because of my situation, that Caledonia Street is losing retail spaces to office buildings. And these office buildings are like hedge funds and computer. They don't need the first street-level office to enjoy of just a few people there. we had a meeting with the Danny cast street level office to have to enjoy of just few people there. We had meeting with the Danny Castro and was helping us to find out what we can do. Right now we find out that it's in your hand to have to place the modatorium for this problem that we have and stop changing retail to office buildings. So I don't have that much time in my space. I have to leave like August, but right now they have a contract in these three different places, that space is that is become office building. So I'm hoping that on behalf of other Caledonia businesses and merchant that maybe you can help us to do this as fast as possible. |
| 00:08:09.61 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:08:16.58 | Adam Driver | I'm not. Hi, I'm Adam Driver from Driver's Market. I just wanted to voice my support for Lilly. I think it's an important issue for residents as well as businesses that we have more retail businesses on Caledonia Street and that we don't start losing that presence to a bunch of offices which don't add as much to our local community. I think it's important for us to keep a local section of downtown that offers services and retail services, businesses for residents. So I just wanted to put my two cents in. Thank you. |
| 00:08:52.98 | Elizabeth Nabeau | Hi, I'm Elizabeth Nabeau, and I have Divino on Caledonia Street, and I'm here in support as well, and I wanted to let you know that we did gather about 200 signatures on a petition. And we're still working on that and hoping to have more names. So I don't know who I can give these to. |
| 00:09:17.11 | Elizabeth Nabeau | and the same things. Caledonia Street needs to remain a place where locals can come down and go to their favorite restaurants and their shops. And we don't want office spaces on the lower level. Thank you. |
| 00:09:34.44 | Jill Hoffman | Um, This would seem to be the time that I would note that we would like to take a look at this further at a future agenda and work with the Danny and do you does the Caledonia Street do you guys have a association of Caledonia okay Okay. So perhaps Danny would work with them about coming up with some sort of plan going forward and assessing the situation and giving us a report on that. or whether or not we need to do |
| 00:10:04.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:08.02 | Jill Hoffman | I think an analysis of a percentage for retail versus office on ground floor. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. And thank you for coming, speaking at City Council. Okay. All right. Moving right along. on schedule. The minutes would anybody were on item three, the action minutes of previous meeting? We were given the minutes from the May 17 and the special city council meeting to May 24. Would anybody like to move to approve a submitted or |
| 00:10:49.38 | Lily | Mayor Hoffman, I have a couple of corrections to the minutes that I provided to the council in advance for the May 17th meeting to item 60 to correction on who made motions. |
| 00:10:50.09 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 00:10:53.85 | Jill Hoffman | in advance. |
| 00:10:56.52 | Adam Driver | going to be a little bit. |
| 00:10:56.54 | Jill Hoffman | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:11:00.79 | Lily | Okay. And you have that in front of you. Very good. |
| 00:11:03.94 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Have the council been able to review that? And do we have any questions on that? |
| 00:11:10.07 | Tom Theodores | No. |
| 00:11:11.22 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:11:11.23 | Jill Hoffman | No. Okay, thank you, Lily, for doing that. Would anybody like to move to approve the changed and corrected minutes for May 17? |
| 00:11:22.02 | Tom Theodores | So moved. Second. |
| 00:11:23.16 | Jill Hoffman | Second. All in favor? Aye. And what about for the special meeting city council meeting on May 21st? |
| 00:11:24.73 | Tom Theodores | Bye. |
| 00:11:30.59 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:11:30.64 | Adam Driver | for. |
| 00:11:30.73 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Oh, sorry, May 24th. |
| 00:11:32.97 | Tom Theodores | Yep, so moved. Second. Move to approve. Second. |
| 00:11:34.34 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Second. All in favor? Aye. Very good. Okay, moving on to item four on our agenda. |
| 00:11:37.56 | Tom Theodores | Aide. |
| 00:11:43.70 | Jill Hoffman | Consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial. Require no discussion are expected to have unanimous council support. It may be enacted by the council in one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion of consent calendar items. However, before the council votes on a motion to adopt the consent calendar items, council members, city staff, or members of the public may request that specific items be removed from the consent calendar for separate action. Thank you. In order to request an item be pulled, you must have completed a speaker's card and turned it into the city clerk. Items will only be removed from the consent calendar by a vote of the council. Items removed from the consent calendar will be discussed later on the agenda. when public comment will be heard on any item that was removed from the consent calendar. Do we have any motions from the council regarding the consent calendar? |
| 00:12:35.73 | Ray Withy | Mayor Hoffman? Yes, I do. I first of all, I would request that we pull item for a the complete streets policy and continue that as an open agenda item for public discussion. And I would also on a separate motion, or should I should we discuss that when or I'll just go ahead and okay the other I would move to and or request a roll call vote on item 4E and I would also ask to move item 4H |
| 00:13:00.75 | Jill Hoffman | I'll just go ahead and go through that. |
| 00:13:15.33 | Ray Withy | regarding the lease amendment for the lease a friend say school move that to continue to open agenda. |
| 00:13:28.53 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, does anybody else have any request with regard to the consent calendar? Okay. |
| 00:13:37.78 | Jill Hoffman | Do we have then Thank you. Are you making that a motion, Councilman? Okay. Yeah. So I would... Sorry, public comment. Does anybody have, is there any public that would like to comment on the items noted by Council Member Pfeiffer? Or any, yeah, or any. Thank you. Anything on the consent calendar. No one? OK. OK. How, I'll, yeah, I'll second the motion. |
| 00:14:12.40 | Unknown | Which one? |
| 00:14:12.93 | Jill Hoffman | I'll on all of it. So on second on all the things. So I'm seconding that we Move the well adopted resolution. Let me sorry. Let me withdraw that so with regard to Item A. Do we want to move that to open session tonight or move it to an open session in a later meeting? |
| 00:14:34.21 | Ray Withy | My motion, I believe, was to, at least it should have been to move item 4A, continue that to another date agenda, because I received several emails from residents who wanted to participate in that discussion and learn more about the program. |
| 00:14:45.51 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 00:14:45.53 | Jill Hoffman | agenda. |
| 00:14:45.93 | Adam Driver | Yeah. |
| 00:14:53.58 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, I so I second that I think that's a good idea. I same I received emails from or saw the emails from a couple of different residents. I'm fine with the roll call on E on item E. And I second it. And then with regard to H. And that's adopt a resolution of city council approving this, uh, the lease a France a, um, lease amendment. Um, and you want to move that to. |
| 00:15:20.04 | Tom Theodores | Mm-hmm. Thank you. |
| 00:15:22.79 | Jill Hoffman | I'm just sorry just a second you want to councilmember Fiverr yours you want to move that to a later agenda date or later on the agenda tonight |
| 00:15:22.81 | Tom Theodores | I'm gonna make offense. in the future. |
| 00:15:33.42 | Ray Withy | I'm I'm flexible with that. I mean my preference is always I guess for consent items that You know might be controversial to my my preference is always to move it to another open agenda But I I also understand some council members may not think this one is as controversial as I do H for H. I'm referring to I Okay. |
| 00:15:57.97 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so let's go through, and let's go through. There's a motion that's been seconded for item 4A to move that item to a later public, later city council meeting for public discussion. |
| 00:16:12.99 | Herb Weiner | Madam Mayor, I have a question of staff on that one. Sure. There is, I believe, some time urgency on this, or I think there might be some time urgency. Could you explain that? |
| 00:16:13.65 | Jill Hoffman | question. Oh, sure. |
| 00:16:27.57 | Adam Politzer | By the end of June. |
| 00:16:30.29 | Herb Weiner | And, okay, and what would happen if we don't do this by the end of June? |
| 00:16:35.96 | Adam Politzer | We won't be eligible for federally funded grants. |
| 00:16:40.38 | Herb Weiner | ever or until what? |
| 00:16:47.49 | Ray Withy | It's my understanding federally funded grants involving multimodal transit street designs and repairs. |
| 00:16:57.39 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. I would say probably for the for the next cycle, but I would defer to our public works director |
| 00:17:14.18 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Madam Mayor, members of the council, Jonathan Goldman, your public works director and city engineer. The short answer is that I don't know, but from an operational perspective, the investment of staff time in preparation of a grant application is something that I would reevaluate pretty carefully if what has been recommended isn't enacted what has been recommended is that the council confirm its intent to take multimodal transportation issues into account when updating the general plan and if the council chooses not to that, then we at a staff level have to figure out working with TAM, Metropolitan Transportation Commission, Federal Transportation Administration and other entities, whether it is a valuable use of city resources to apply for grants that we might not be eligible for. |
| 00:18:16.35 | Herb Weiner | Madam Mayor, what my question really was was If. If we don't make the end of June deadline, but ended up doing this in September, do we use the ability to apply for grants between now and September? Or do we lose the ability to apply for grants for some number of years in the future? That's what I want to understand. |
| 00:18:42.44 | Jonathon Goldman | And if I may, again, Madam Mayor, I'm not sure of the answer. We have a grant application pending that, as a condition of acceptance, required that we agree to bring this issue to the council in June. And so I think the chances that we would be awarded that grant, which was for improvements between Harbor Drive and Gate 5 that are part of the the Council's approved ferry landing to Gate 6 path plan I think the chances that we would |
| 00:18:45.02 | Herb Weiner | MULTIPLE. Thank you. |
| 00:19:17.22 | Jonathon Goldman | received the grant funds that we've applied for there would be Um, Eliminate it. |
| 00:19:22.14 | Herb Weiner | And what's the value of that grant? Approximately. |
| 00:19:25.38 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Um, It's on the order of a quarter of a million dollars, as I |
| 00:19:35.21 | Tom Theodores | Is there any problem with moving this to June 28th? Would that be within a time? |
| 00:19:39.69 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, okay. I think, can I make a motion to move this to, we remove this from the consent counter and move it to June 21st? |
| 00:19:48.15 | Tom Theodores | Yeah, and I would like the council to approve that it will be on the agenda on June 28th. |
| 00:19:52.00 | Ray Withy | If that's an amendment to mine, a friendly amendment, I accept that. June 28th is fine. |
| 00:19:57.16 | Jill Hoffman | All in favor? |
| 00:19:57.67 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:19:57.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:19:59.34 | Sandra Bushmaker | Uh-huh. |
| 00:19:59.56 | Jill Hoffman | I think okay that's fine very good excellent moving on to then the second one which was councilman Freifer requested the roll call vote on e is I seconded that do we just do the roll call vote yeah |
| 00:19:59.81 | Sandra Bushmaker | Aye. |
| 00:20:05.28 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 00:20:15.01 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 00:20:15.18 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:20:15.28 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:20:15.32 | Herb Weiner | that when we do the final one. Well, we could- Which is it right now. |
| 00:20:17.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:20:17.73 | Ray Withy | it right now. Yeah, do it. Let's just do it now. Okay, I just want to be consistent on Pier two. |
| 00:20:18.78 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF |
| 00:20:18.85 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:20:18.91 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:20:18.93 | Herb Weiner | THE FAMILY IS NOT |
| 00:20:19.00 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:20:19.01 | Herb Weiner | So, |
| 00:20:19.05 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:20:19.12 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:20:19.22 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:20:21.97 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 00:20:22.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Yep, okay. Lily, can you do a roll call vote on that? And this is, let me read this off. This is item 4E on the consent calendar. This is to adopt a resolution of the city council of the city of Sausalito, approving a variance from the elevation requirements of the flood pain management section for It's also a building code for peer to Alexander. And just to give context to this, I can't remember what day it was, but we approved the peer agreement. month ago two months ago something that and so this is this is to make the pier lower at the request of the neighbor so that they can see over the pier |
| 00:21:03.39 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I understand that this would benefit the neighbor, and I concur with that. The challenge is that I have been opposed to the peer from the beginning, so I feel like I need to continue my no vote because it's going into public waters. |
| 00:21:10.62 | Jill Hoffman | MUCH. |
| 00:21:22.41 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Lily, can you do the roll call, please? |
| 00:21:25.25 | Lily | Councilmember Weiner? Councilmember Pfeiffer. No. Councilmember Theodorus? |
| 00:21:30.01 | Tom Theodores | Yes. |
| 00:21:30.38 | Lily | Vice Mayor Withey. Yes. Mayor Hoffman. Yes. Carries for one. |
| 00:21:31.56 | Tom Theodores | Yes. |
| 00:21:32.12 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:21:34.41 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 00:21:34.44 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, now with regard to the last item, 4-H. So I would say, let's move this to the end of our calendar tonight. where we move consent matters from the consent calendar to the end of the calendar, and then we can discuss it at that point. |
| 00:21:53.58 | Linda Pfeiffer | So what's become 6F? |
| 00:21:56.53 | Jill Hoffman | Is that right, it becomes 6F? |
| 00:21:57.50 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 00:22:01.12 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. any |
| 00:22:04.38 | Linda Pfeiffer | Nope. |
| 00:22:04.97 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, we don't need it. No, just do it. |
| 00:22:06.96 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. All right. Done. Very good. Okay. With regards. |
| 00:22:10.22 | Herb Weiner | Okay, so I move the adoption of the consent calendar items for B, C, D, and F and G. Thank you. |
| 00:22:30.03 | Linda Pfeiffer | circuit. |
| 00:22:30.45 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 00:22:31.28 | Jill Hoffman | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:22:32.04 | Linda Pfeiffer | Bye. |
| 00:22:33.74 | Jill Hoffman | Very good. Moving right along. We are now up to item five on our agenda. Public hearing items. There are none. Moving right along to item six, business items. Our first item is A, the fiscal year 16 through 18 budget development process update. And that will be a presentation by Melanie Purcell, our administrative services director. |
| 00:23:10.30 | Melanie Purcell | Good evening, Melanie Purcell, Administrative Services Director. It's my pleasure to come back to you and have a conversation about the FY 2016-18 Budget and Resource Allocation Plan. So real quick, we want to cover the all funds, other funds, general fund revenues and expenditures. These numbers are all updated to the most current version. The capital improvement program, kind of where we're going from here, and most specifically the discussion items. I'm requesting that city council give us some feedback and go through each of those items and let us know whether to retain them or a different direction if that's the case. The council discussion and next steps include being prepared for the June 28th budget adoption. And as recommended in the discussion items, We are recommending that the Finance Committee return back to City Council. Finance Committee and staff with a recommendation for an OPEB and pension, trust funding policy, and a master fee schedule update before the end of the first quarter, which would be September. So this is similar, same part as last week, just talking about our building on a status quo budget and maintaining the high level of services with a few minor adjustments to increase services and recognize some challenges that have been in place. |
| 00:24:39.71 | Melanie Purcell | This is the revenues and transfers in. Notice, obviously, the general fund is the largest. And on the expenditure side, the capital project funds are pretty close in size then as well to the general funds. For FY18, you'll notice the general fund consumes more of the total budget, simply a reflection of the spend down of the capital projects. |
| 00:25:11.24 | Melanie Purcell | In our expenditures by category, as requested by council, we've included a variance column to show the percentage changes in each of the specific categories. You've got salaries and wages, operations, transfers, benefits, professional services, other services, supplies, furniture, fixture, and equipment, or otherwise known as FF&E. You'll see some shift between operations and FF&E. That reflects the change in how we report at the capital projects. Some go into operations now as opposed to FF&E. You'll see then going into fiscal year FY17-18, a significant reduction of almost 21% that reflects the majority of the COP and sewer bond funds being spent. This is a city-wide look, all funds. |
| 00:26:03.95 | Melanie Purcell | The graphic presentation, you'll see similarly, again, the dark blue at the bottom. That's the operations department. shrinking as you head into FY17-18. Furniture fixture and equipment shrinking from FY15-16 into FY16-17, showing the shift down to operations. |
| 00:26:24.02 | Melanie Purcell | grand total of almost 39 million to just under 30 million. |
| 00:26:31.21 | Melanie Purcell | your special revenue funds, there's no change here from our last discussion. Two weeks ago, the Tidelands Fund were recommending a small use of fund balance. This is in keeping with, this is actually a reduction from current year. So lesser use of an increase to fund balance of $3,000 in traffic safety, or excuse me, in gas tax, the majority of which is transferred to a capital project fund. And then the police grant, we expect to have some carryover. That is a... funds a single officer, a portion of a single officer, so that may vary as our vacancy rates change. But right now we have permission from the federal government to continue that position and recognize those revenues. Enterprise funds, and we'll get into more detail on these, but the sewer fund is showing a use of 24,711. Increase in Old City Hall of $5,000, same as this year. MLK rental property, we're recommending the use of almost $55,000 of fund balance to take care of some additional project work at the site that was not included on the comprehensive facility condition assessment in order to build the property to optimal lease generating status. The parking fund is recommending the use of $100,000. That is to pay partially for the $125,000 of the general plan update. |
| 00:28:03.26 | Melanie Purcell | General fund, the revenues have just changed slightly. but you'll see that those are most currently we're looking at about a 3%, a little over 3%, 3.31% increase in property taxes for both years. Sales tax, we're expecting a little more of an increase, and then we're being more conservative as we head into FY17-18. Obviously, those will all be updated this time next year to reflect what the market is showing us. A particular note is the increase in development fees. Again, this refers back to the master fee schedule update as well as activity increases. Of this amount, we expect Thank you. $50,000 to be associated with increases in fees. and then the remainder is actually a reflection of current market activity. Again, the recommendation is to bring back the detailed master fee schedule resolution to the city council before the end of first quarter. |
| 00:29:03.29 | Melanie Purcell | graphic presentation. Again, property taxes are our largest source. Sales tax pretty close behind. And then from there, you see additional income. Under transfers, we do see a significant portion from parking as revenue back to the general fund. It's nearly $1.6 million this year. |
| 00:29:25.97 | Melanie Purcell | Again, we're showing expenditures by department. You can see that we've added the variance column to show some of the shifts in costs. From adopted to adopted information technology shows a $200,000 decrease. That is a reflection of moving the IT strategic master plan to the capital project fund. |
| 00:29:51.35 | Melanie Purcell | Non-departmental does show an increase. That includes some increase in OPEB as well as in transfers to other funds. Please note that the all Measure O funds show up as a revenue into the general fund of $1,165,000 for the proposed fiscal year FY17-18. That is a direct transfer then to the general capital projects fund of the same amount. |
| 00:30:25.11 | Melanie Purcell | Okay, by category, again also we have the increase of the variance, you'll see salaries and wages, a 6.4% increase, that does reflect some changes from contract to employee, yours truly, your administrative services director position. We have rolled all of the OPEB and pension adjustments that have been discussed at various meetings into the benefits line item, so you see that increase. transfers. Again, there is a increase for Measure O, as we do expect that to increase, as well as a small increase from general fund into general capital. |
| 00:31:11.74 | Melanie Purcell | As expected, salaries and benefits make up the majority of the service organization in the general fund, with operations and other services close behind, professional services, operations, and other services. Okay, the decision items that were brought for you to last week, we have numbered them. The recommendation is that one through 17 appear to have consensus. and don't require a lot of conversation, but obviously we're happy to answer any questions. Parking enforcement officer, part-time sworn patrol, part-time sworn emergency management, upgrading the assistant planner to a senior planner, downgrading the finance manager to an administrative analyst for savings of almost $40,000. There's a change in the recommendation for the foreman in lieu of a DPW division manager. the recommendation coming from finance committee and staff is to go for a contract and see how we can proceed with that. If we can go forward with the contract, we'll use a contract, or if not, we'll revisit it the mid-year if that's not successful. So we'll be looking for a contract foreman. If we're unsuccessful there, we'll look into upgrading a current employee and increasing contracted work. Number seven, there is an asterisk there. This is a change. This was not previously included in the draft budget. This is now being included for a pilot to have a contract assistant building inspector and code enforcement officer. There was agreement that there was need. There is not agreement, however, on the methodology. So we have proposed... with feedback that there be a contract to provide these services. One option to reduce the impact to the general fund reserves would be to use this as a trial period and cut the contract to six months only using 10 and 10 hours per week. So rather than 20 hours per position, it would be 10 hours position for a total of 20. with one half of the year and then we would come back for an evaluation of impact and funding available. So that is an option to consider. restructuring the loan to MLK from the general fund to have pay off, excuse me, pay that off completely by the same time as the COPs. or the details on the specific positions not changed. The MLK loan structure, this is the same as presented two weeks ago, but the idea is to pay it off in 2030, the same time frame as the certificates of participation. Again, minimizing impact to both the fund as well as to the general fund. Number nine, license plate readers for three locations, six cameras. Number 10 is CARS funding to continue providing age-friendly services. supporting the docent program at the Ice House through the Historic Society. Number 12, Sister Cities. This is the cost associated with the city supporting the program, not direct contribution to the program. The JPA, Joint Powers Authority, the TD, production. Number 14 is moving operating costs to the general fund from the general capital improvement fund and increasing them by $20,000. So rather than $50,000 in the capital fund, it would be $70,000 in the general fund. Number 15 is establishing general construction management. This is creating a specific team to be funded in the general capital improvement fund rather than splitting costs between the general fund and other departments. Excuse me, and other funds. This would be to manage the intensive capital improvements program. Recognizing Measure O is a 10-year program. The next three to five years will be very intensive as well with COP and sewer management. master fee schedule, master fee schedule update as mentioned earlier. And reporting OPEB and pension trust as separate fiduciary funds on the city accounts. This is simply a reporting mechanism, not an actual change in funding or structure, but the intent being that it would make it easier for everyone to see where the funds are and how we're doing. Number 18, we start to edge into the things that perhaps need a little more conversation. Supporting the general plan update from fund balance of the parking. |
| 00:35:58.70 | Melanie Purcell | This is just the trust information. Number 19, updating non-assessment items from fund balance. This is the $55,000 I mentioned from the MLK fund balance. This includes making some previously untenanted space accessible so that it can be leased, increasing revenues. Business development is $10,000 for the purpose of developing programs. Business Hospitality Committee, the recommendation is to include that a detailed budget be submitted for the City Council approval. chamber kiosk at 11 and then the business advisory committee has not funded in the current year but that's also on the table for conversations. Number 24 is the pension and OPEB liability funding policy. As mentioned earlier, the recommendation is that staff and the finance committee draft a funding policy. and strategies so that the council can adopt a formal path for future funding of the pension and OPEP trust, including how it's going to be drawn down in future. What are the triggers and what are the intent and ambitions? Pension liability, the same information as presented before. |
| 00:37:11.29 | Melanie Purcell | This just simply shows the split between unfunded liability between active employees and non-active employees. This is a fixed cost to the city. above and beyond the normal cost associated with pension contributions. So this is something that even if we were to eliminate all employees in the city, we would still have this obligation, similar as a debt service. These were the options as presented earlier. Again, the recommendation is that staff and finance committee come back with a formal policy for the council to adopt. These items were not included in the draft budget or in the items before you, including the body cameras and additional locations for license plate readers. The recommendation is for a pilot with a three location, six cameras, and then if funds are available and we find it effective to come back and recommend for future consideration additional locations. The capital improvement program is also something that we'd like your direction and feedback. So we'd like to go through those projects real quick and then we'd be asking the council to then give us affirmation or change in direction. The traffic transportation projects, this is related to the settlement agreement. These are the funds necessary to complete the items identified. Mary Sears Park is also completing some ADA work at that location. The general plan update. |
| 00:38:36.48 | Melanie Purcell | The City Kaiskais, Sister City Calcutta's project, I believe this is of the tiles. This is recommended to be included, however, it would have an offsetting revenue of donations. So once the donations are secured, then the project could proceed. The City Hall meeting room is postponed for two years for further evaluation and securing additional funding. Turney Street Gangway. The Civic Center landscape beautification and design. I believe additional information was provided to you earlier today. With the details of that, the proposal is to spend $55,000 in the current year. and have detailed drawings drawn up so that we could actually go forward with construction and contingency. The city hall waterproofing and painting, those are needed to minimize damage and repair the facility here. the corp yard facilities, ADA buildings and waterfront, That is typically a tidalens transfer. Thank you. The MLK facilities, those are funded from the certificates of participation. That is later on in your agenda as well. includes all of the items on the comprehensive facilities condition assessment. Wave attenuator is the other item. number of IT projects first year include license plate readers, the IT strategic plan infrastructure, Thank you. Permitting tracking software, website updates, document management updates. In second year would include additional infrastructure, completion of the document management update, an IT help desk upgrade and replacement is at end of life, and the financial system update. as well as the GIS implementation plan and software. Other items are specified for outlying years. Vena Del Mar Plaza improvements are proposed for the second year of this plan. Small park improvements would commence again after the completion of the COP park projects. Cypress Ridge vegetation in the second year. Again, Southview is shown as being spent over three years. Obviously, the funds are secured already. This was one of those conversations, one of the questions asked by council is what of these projects would be able to be completed as shown and undertaken. What we're trying to show here is that we will appropriate the total dollar amount in the current year in order to be able to secure the contracts. However, we do anticipate it taking three years to complete. Similarly, Dunphy Park would bleed into the second year as well. |
| 00:41:08.14 | Melanie Purcell | Caledonia streetscape the bridgeway medians tree maintenance this is to continue to clean up those areas and then begin design and a comprehensive project in the outlying years sidewalk repair program is an ongoing the stairs program is shown in this is actually the result of a transfer in the current fiscal year from the stairs fund future projects from that will take place in the stairs fund priority stormwater plan. Storm drain, again, is a storm drain replacement and the right of way is an ongoing project. The shoreline riprap replacement is also ongoing. Dunphy Park storm drain is being funded through the Tidalins Fund Transfer. The storm drain master plan is intended to give us a map going forward for the other storm drain efforts, and then the $400,000 is shown as a placeholder. Obviously, that will be revisited as the results of the storm drain master plan become clear. and then the Columbus Stome Drain outfall, we're proposing for the second year because that is a noun. needs to be done. Street repair program, road-based repair patching, striping maintenance, those are all ongoing streets program and repair programs. Traffic signal upgrades, the safe routes to schools that is dependent on the grant, as is the gate 6 road signal modification. As Mr. Goldman mentioned earlier, the grant application is submitted. We'll be pending approval. Concrete streets is part of the streets program, ongoing. Crosswalk is indicated, is on the agenda, I believe, and is intended to be completed in this fiscal year. South City limits, these are placeholders for outlying years on that project. |
| 00:42:57.16 | Adam Driver | on that. |
| 00:43:00.27 | Melanie Purcell | And the sewer capital funds, this was the fund that you created at the midyear budget amendments, and this would be using the remainder of the bond proceeds, majority going to the gate five project as that is the most urgent. However, keeping some emergency repairs under urgent one project. The last item there, Humboldt Avenue, includes grant and other funds secured to help make up the difference. This is just confirmation of the Measure O projects that are shown in the General Capital Project Fund. These are funded from direct transfer from the General Fund as tax receipts are received in the General Fund. to pass through. And here are the impacts to fund balance. You notice the most specific changes, the $157,560 for the pilot program. and to spark capital, that would be if you choose to go a different direction on the code enforcement building inspector. Thank you. That amount will change accordingly or any other changes you choose to make tonight. All other items are as previously recommended. Please note the title in funds shows a deficit that is a reflection of an outstanding deferred revenue. So that is a credit. Actual cash is $1.3 million. |
| 00:44:22.25 | Melanie Purcell | General fund fund balance is quite healthy. I wanted to make sure that we itemize here for you that the policy requirements as standards, the budget stabilization is 5%. 10% for shortfall reserve, plus there is a disaster assistance fund that does not specify a percentage or dollar amount, but is in place. It currently represents 6.27% of operations. So the minimum fund balance that the city maintains in the general fund is 3.28 million, or 21.27% at this time. Net of policy minimum expected as of June 30th would be 5.33%, or $822,000. The recommendation on the table right now is to use 157 of that. |
| 00:45:10.64 | Melanie Purcell | These are the other funds. pretty much as proposed. |
| 00:45:17.48 | Melanie Purcell | Our next steps then are looking for direction from the council, specifically on the discussion items and on the capital improvement plan. And then questions or if there's any additional information that you need in order to proceed and then looking to adopt on June 28th. Thank you. |
| 00:45:34.73 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you, Melanie. Do we have questions from the city council? |
| 00:45:43.26 | Ray Withy | Yes, thank you. I have, I guess, I guess I'll start. Thank you, Melanie, for that good presentation and for taking all of our questions too over the past month or so. And my, I guess, My questions have to do with the civic hall or city hall. |
| 00:46:04.91 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:46:09.52 | Ray Withy | uh project upgrades um one of my questions. So the question I had sent earlier had to do with, I'm looking at 400,000, 455 so almost half a half a million between now and fiscal year 2021 the next four years or five years um for civic the city hall landscaping and my question was what are the you know basically what are we getting for each one of these because I was looking are the, you know, basically what are we getting for each one of these? Because I was looking at the the proposal that was put together and I had some questions about that. I had some questions and I don't know if Melanie, you would be the right person or if maybe we need SWA if, you know, I should direct my questions. But there are questions around like escalation cost factors. |
| 00:47:23.03 | Melanie Purcell | AND I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT |
| 00:47:23.32 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:47:23.38 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 00:47:23.49 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:47:23.89 | Melanie Purcell | At this point, the $400,000 in outlying years is wholly contingent on what comes out of the design in the first year. So at this point, because those are not adopted formally into the appropriations, they are more in effect placeholders, recognizing that the original proposal I believe was 365,000. This would include escalation and phasing it out over four years. |
| 00:47:50.03 | Ray Withy | OK. So the reason why was I was looking at some of the the outlines and it having you know my experience with the COP funds in the park the Sweeney Park overruns I am looking at this specifically with respect to the specifications and it just feels like it's it's pretty loosey goosey right now I'm looking at concrete wall repair that was priced at just 1500 that seems low there weren't material costs specified for the for the fence that's proposed in terms of its finish or the cost to demolish the existing fences so I'm just I'm just curious as to How clear we have this right now in terms of the $55,000 and the $400,000, how comfortable we feel with this deduction. The $55,000. |
| 00:49:08.33 | Melanie Purcell | The 55,000 is very comfortable. That's very specific to actually have design drawings so that we could put it out for bid and know exactly what we're dealing with. No construction can start until those drawings are complete. And then we can do the bids and come back and say, okay. For the next five years, it's going to be a different number. Do you want to go forward? |
| 00:49:27.01 | Ray Withy | Okay, thank you. I'll save my comments then for comment period. I have more questions, but I'll yield to counsel at this time. Any other questions? |
| 00:49:35.47 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:49:35.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:35.51 | Jill Hoffman | Any other questions? |
| 00:49:35.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:38.38 | Tom Theodores | Item eight on the MLK restructuring. That will come back to us, the details of it, when... Finance and staff and Finance Committee Make that or is that correct? |
| 00:49:49.47 | Melanie Purcell | Yeah. The MLK restructure is this in front of you. Thank you. |
| 00:49:53.82 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 00:49:53.93 | Melanie Purcell | It shows actually a credit of $4.2 million that would show up as of June 30. So it will actually on our books show up in the current fiscal year. It will be a resolution on June 28 separate in the same stack of resolutions as adopting the budget, but it is a separate resolution. |
| 00:50:11.07 | Tom Theodores | But we will do it at that time and we'll be done. |
| 00:50:13.87 | Melanie Purcell | Yes, if there's any concerns or questions specific to this, I would appreciate knowing those now so that I can make any adjustments. |
| 00:50:16.52 | Tom Theodores | Okay. |
| 00:50:19.88 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:50:23.39 | Jill Hoffman | Any other questions? before public comment. Thank you. No, I don't think so. Okay, then let's move on to public comment on the budget. Do I have any speaker cards? No speaker cars. Do we have a speaker? Yes. Peter Van meters. Sauntering slowly toward the podium. |
| 00:50:47.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:50:52.40 | Peter Van Meter | Peter Van Meter, I'd rather be last. But since you have no one else, I have no choice. Really, I'm here to speak to the items relative to support of the business community in Sausalito. That's the hospitality committee, the kiosk, the BAC, and the business development program. Here you've got an operating budget of almost $16 million, total budget $35 million. You're allocating $55,000 to maintain and support the business community in Sausalito who generates your second largest item of revenues. And speaking in due candor, this is totally absurd to even have this on your budget as a factor of discussion in my opinion. If you look at other communities around the area. |
| 00:51:02.12 | Adam Driver | all the time. |
| 00:51:40.20 | Peter Van Meter | Novato, great tourist destination of the city of Novato, spends over $100,000 on this kind of activity. This is essential to the city of Sausalito, support for our residents, our visitors, and our business community. And in my view, it shouldn't even be a topic. You should not only support the $55,000 that's in this budget, but to support the increase that's been requested and maybe mentioned by other members here in the audience tonight, up to over $100,000. So please do the right thing and support this portion of your budget. |
| 00:52:19.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Any other public comment on the budget? I see no one and have, oh, whoops, yes, Shelby, yes. |
| 00:52:32.21 | Sandra Bushmaker | Regarding the |
| 00:52:32.38 | Jill Hoffman | REGARDING THE |
| 00:52:34.71 | Sandra Bushmaker | the issue of having an additional landscape worker. We came out pretty strongly for having someone hired to be the foreman and then to be an on-the-ground worker as well. But we understand that you have some other thoughts on that. and there are some options that you're considering very seriously, staff is considering with you I know you've all spent time talking about that and so we defer to whatever it is you wish to do, if it seems there's a better solution. The main thing is having money in the budget so that there are more on the ground workers. Very, very badly needed. However you choose to make that happen would be terrific. |
| 00:53:11.99 | Jill Hoffman | Thanks. Thank you. Okay, yes. |
| 00:53:23.11 | Yoshitome | Hi there. Yoshitome. The, I know previous meeting a lot of business people speak about supporting for business community, how important it is. This morning we had a chamber meeting, Mayor was there. Golden Gate Bridge Manager saying, Sasseriero become, according to TripAdvisor, number two destination bike riders in the world. |
| 00:53:37.55 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 00:53:37.59 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:53:37.81 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 00:53:48.88 | Yoshitome | And good news by the news, more people will come. I know we do have an ambassador program. We have a kiosk funding. I'd like to see more of a city of Sausage, you know, business community, city offshore. We're working together better than ever. But we'd like to – it's investment to better place to work, better place to live. And I'd like to see more investment to dealing with congestion on on the bridgeway and the traffic, bike riders, above all. Then it will be much better for everybody. Again, this morning, the bridge manager said the best way to do it, how we can get through everybody quickly. We can look at the same purpose way. Maybe we can do better management of those issues. Then about the people, they bring money. We deal with it, and we can do better business to it. Thank you. |
| 00:54:45.43 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Yes. We've lost control of the speaker card, but that's fine. It's apparently we're dispensing with that tonight. Thank you, Peter, for following the rules. Thank you, everybody. |
| 00:54:58.06 | Marcia Smith | Thank you, everyone. Marcia Smith. I'm a resident of Saucelita for like 13 years. I am down at the kiosk. I'm at the kiosk in the box. And I just want to invite anyone and everyone down to join me for 15 minutes or an hour to experience the tourists, the visitors, the people that come and visit us, to understand what we're dealing with. It's incredible. I mean, I've been there a few summers, and this now is with the bikes and all. It's very different, and I know we're all trying to deal with it, and I would like you all to understand and support financially what we need to make that happen. Thank you. |
| 00:55:42.90 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. All right, anybody else? All right, see no one for public comment, no further public comment on this item. I'm going to bring it back up here for city council discussion. Let me make a suggestion, and I'm open to other processes as well. So we have items for discussion, and we seem to have some items for discussion that there's consensus for. And so I would like to, for items one through two, one through two. one through 17. Does anybody not or want to have further discussion on any of those items. And my proposal is that I would mark those that somebody wants further discussion on. If you don't want further discussion on something, then I might suggest that we make a motion to approve those items, and we'll just move those off our chart. And then we can focus more effectively, I think, on the things that are still up for discussion. How does everybody feel about that? Is that okay? Okay, so let's go through 1 through 17, and I'll just... I'll just kick us off because I'm on the finance committee. I don't have any questions. I don't have any questions on one through 17. Let me just say, But that's what the proviso that 6 and 7 which are we are talking about new personnel that were going to use contract people for that yep okay So 1 through 17, I have no items. Mr. Vice Mayor, do you have any items on 1 through 17 that you want further discussion on? |
| 00:57:30.41 | Herb Weiner | Not as such. I think we do need to have a discussion. agreement on 1 through 17 was conditioned on 6 and 7 being contractors versus full-time employees. |
| 00:57:45.78 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:57:46.09 | Herb Weiner | I think at some point we need to have a discussion about what sort of policies drive that decision, generally. |
| 00:57:53.41 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:57:53.92 | Herb Weiner | Okay. Do you want me to take those off? But no, no, no. Okay. No, no. I'm at, I think to start off as we're starting off is okay for now. Okay. Okay? The one thing I want to make sure everybody understands though is that. |
| 00:57:54.46 | Unknown | Want me to take those off? No, no. Okay. |
| 00:58:09.11 | Herb Weiner | The last time this budget was presented, item number seven, which has a star on it, was not actually part of the budget. And this has been subsequently added. And to recognize that this addition is therefore causing us to use approximately $155,000 of general fund balance. Now, we consider and it's the general fund and it's all mishmash together the fact remains i don't necessarily need to pick on this particular one to drive that but i just wanted to flag that point |
| 00:58:48.46 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. |
| 00:58:50.86 | Herb Weiner | but otherwise I'm happy with one of 17. Okay. Okay. |
| 00:58:53.00 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. Tom? THE END OF THE END OF THE Okay, so how about if I make a motion that we accept items 1 through 17 for inclusion in the budget? Anybody want a second? |
| 00:59:09.28 | Tom Theodores | Second. |
| 00:59:10.31 | Jill Hoffman | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:59:11.07 | Tom Theodores | Bye. |
| 00:59:12.25 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so now we're moving on to Items 18 through 24. Let's just start with 18. Does anybody have an issue with item 18? That's the support for general fund update, whoops, start parking. |
| 00:59:31.49 | Ray Withy | So I would just comment that it's the question of having an issue versus looking at some of the others and having a higher priority. So I guess one of the questions would be, you know, what's our delta here? I mean, do we have any money left to work with in this budget? Because that kind of drives... you know what's our delta here I mean do do we have any money left to work with in this budget because that kind of drives how I prioritize you know 18 through whatever number we've got for example I look at 25 the body cameras for police and I see that as critical I see that as a very important I Thank you. I look at 25, the body cameras for police, and I see that as critical. I see that as a very important item. And, |
| 00:59:47.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:06.27 | Unknown | you |
| 01:00:26.38 | Ray Withy | Anyway, I would just put that as a very important higher priority. Thank you. |
| 01:00:32.61 | Jill Hoffman | Would you, do you wanna ask that question to Melanie? about general funding. availability for additional |
| 01:00:40.04 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. At this point, the general funds tapped out. If you want to add something, then we need to delete something. Gotcha, okay, thank you. |
| 01:00:44.05 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:00:44.07 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 01:00:50.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:00:51.14 | Adam Politzer | Madam Mayor, can I just ask Melanie to also clarify that this is using parking fund, not general fund. |
| 01:00:58.60 | Melanie Purcell | Correct, this is use of parking fund fund balance. Specifically because the general plan update would be affecting and is affected by the parking and congestion issues. |
| 01:01:08.42 | Ray Withy | How have we used the parking funds in the past? Parking operating? |
| 01:01:13.11 | Melanie Purcell | for road repair. |
| 01:01:14.51 | Ray Withy | um, |
| 01:01:14.88 | Melanie Purcell | Go ahead. Is used to support the parking operations and the general fund and capital. Because it's my, |
| 01:01:21.03 | Ray Withy | . |
| 01:01:21.35 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 01:01:22.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I seem to recall that the parking fund revenue being used to Do road repair street repair. Okay, good. So |
| 01:01:29.87 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:01:29.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:29.93 | Tom Theodores | I'm married. |
| 01:01:33.06 | Ray Withy | Thank you. So, yeah. |
| 01:01:36.87 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. I have a question. So you say use $100,000, the parking fund, and then the cost is 125. And you said there's nothing on the general fund, I'm not It's not computing for me. |
| 01:01:46.17 | Melanie Purcell | $100,000 out of the parking fund fund balance, because we have to date not used fund balance. The remainder of that $25,000 is coming from operations. |
| 01:01:56.87 | Tom Theodores | And that would be this year and this year's budget, we would allocate 125,000 toward the general plan. That's the only amount, is that correct? |
| 01:02:05.49 | Melanie Purcell | Is that correct? actually let me go back I believe the general plan has more attached. Yeah, the general plan actually has $175,000. So the other $50,000 is coming from the general fund. |
| 01:02:20.91 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. The other $50,000 come from the general fund. $125,000 from the parking fund. |
| 01:02:24.85 | Melanie Purcell | General fund, yes. Correct. |
| 01:02:37.64 | Jill Hoffman | You know, |
| 01:02:37.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:02:37.86 | Unknown | . Bye. Thank you. |
| 01:02:43.19 | Ray Withy | I guess for me, it's almost like looking at all the choices |
| 01:02:45.47 | Jill Hoffman | Maybe. |
| 01:02:50.97 | Ray Withy | Again, in order to prioritize what I see is more critical. In terms of the comments I heard about spending money on the business community, I would, I think, put as a high priority, And I don't know if this would incur a budget dollar sign that doing the moratorium on future, right now in offices and offices, and financial services on Caledonia Street because we just heard three businesses at the beginning of this session that we're losing our residents serving businesses on Caledonia Street. So I guess I would like to look at legislation |
| 01:03:48.33 | Ray Withy | My microphone wasn't on, I'm sorry. So I'm suggesting that if I were going to spend money with respect to business, rather than the business hospitality, $30,000, I would look at... |
| 01:04:05.76 | Ray Withy | the chamber kiosk and I have volunteered at the kiosk before years ago I I worked and I know how busy it can be um I would allocate funds to do the moratorium on Caledonia for few for offices new offices and um and Financial services because we're losing our residents serving businesses right now at Caledonia as we heard from our three business owners earlier, you know in in the session so |
| 01:04:37.89 | Melanie Purcell | If I may, I don't believe there's a dollar value attached to that particular moratorium action. |
| 01:04:43.24 | Ray Withy | So it would be no dollar value attached to that research, but staff time. |
| 01:04:45.77 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. Mm-hmm. |
| 01:04:48.13 | Adam Driver | you |
| 01:04:50.31 | Ray Withy | Thanks. So then I guess my priority on all these, really the body cameras float to the top for me. |
| 01:04:57.97 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, all right, and so Melanie, with regard to the 19, the 55,000 for the tree removal, that says in the options is to postpone improvements until operating revenue is sufficient to cover. So that's something that we can easily, or not easily, but that's something that we can move around. if we have a higher party for something else. |
| 01:05:21.39 | Melanie Purcell | That's coming off of the MLK fund fund balance. So that would be you'd be making a decision to use fund balance for something other than MLK. |
| 01:05:30.93 | Unknown | you |
| 01:05:30.96 | Jill Hoffman | Whoa. |
| 01:05:31.18 | Unknown | you |
| 01:05:31.23 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Can we do that? Technically, yes. |
| 01:05:32.39 | Melanie Purcell | Technically, yes, but you really should state a purpose. Got it. |
| 01:05:35.91 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Okay, understood. Well, that's why we have these discussions, these brilliant discussions up here. All right. |
| 01:05:40.49 | Melanie Purcell | Yes. |
| 01:05:40.85 | Adam Driver | BELIEVE. |
| 01:05:44.19 | Jill Hoffman | Does anybody else have any discussion on, let's see, 18 or 19? |
| 01:05:53.88 | Ray Withy | I guess I would rather see... |
| 01:06:01.47 | Ray Withy | I still think our roads are in such deplorable condition I think rather than moving forward right now in the general plan I I would I would lean towards Road repair Infrastructure I'm just gonna just say |
| 01:06:15.05 | Tom Theodores | I'm just going to just say on general plan, I absolutely support doing the general plan. First of all, we're legally obligated. It's 25 years old. But particularly when we talk about roads, circulation is coming up. Before we spend money on roads and circulation, we have to have a plan for roads and circulation. We are looking at a lot of parking demands from various sources, including Bridgeway Marina and the movie and everything else. We have to include parking as part of our general plan. We actually, I commend the the Chamber and the BAC for supporting the general plan. I think that's the forward thinking that they're doing in terms of understanding that we really need to do that. Our general plan has an economic element. We need to do that so that we can bring as Jeff Rose has said, Sausalito 2.0. I think you really need to plan that type of thing. I think it's really, really important. I think it's very short sighted. So I wouldn't even have this got the discussion, but there's some pushback on I think it's absolutely. essential to do that because When we have a general plan, it will make every dollar that we spend on roads and everything else that we do much more valuable. We'll have a plan to do it instead of doing it and finding out later, we have to do this smart. It's due and and and but so I, I support leaving my general. |
| 01:07:34.74 | Herb Weiner | Madam Mayor, we are going to need to sort of make some decisions. So I'm going to move that we agree to include number 18, which is to support the general plan update as indicated as part of the budget. |
| 01:07:35.68 | Tom Theodores | Bye. Thank you. |
| 01:07:55.24 | Ray Withy | Do I have a second? |
| 01:07:57.37 | Tom Theodores | Second. |
| 01:07:58.48 | Ray Withy | just a comment short discussion on this so regarding the the general plan update and I heard the comment Sausalito 2.0 I believe in Sausalito 2.0 but I probably define it a little differently the focus for me is on sewer upgrades infrastructure upgrades I hear comments around the circulation plan and I hear you you know, referrals to, you know, redesigning our main corridors in ways that I think are going to be very controversial. Certainly the economic study that was conducted by the BAC, former council member Carolyn Ford and I were quite dismayed having initially voted for it to see them go in a direction that did not respect the zoning and the marineship specific plan and some other issues that came up. So, you know, I'm concerned that we could wind up going down the path that is controversial as opposed to getting needed infrastructure done, needed infrastructure done, needed infrastructure, nuts and bolts and repairs, the potholes, the storm drains and sewers. So that's my, that's why I have concerns. |
| 01:09:16.72 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:09:16.85 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 01:09:16.92 | Herb Weiner | I'm sorry. |
| 01:09:16.97 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 01:09:17.10 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. There's a motion on the floor? Yeah, Madam Mayor, just to make a point, we are spending $8 million on infrastructure in the next two years, so there is a motion on the table. |
| 01:09:17.78 | Ray Withy | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 01:09:18.06 | Jill Hoffman | There's a motion on the... |
| 01:09:28.54 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, there's a motion on the table, Lily, would you like to call them? Thank you. |
| 01:09:31.53 | Lily | Councilmember Pfeiffer. No. |
| 01:09:33.67 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:09:34.57 | Lily | Councilmember Theodorus. |
| 01:09:35.58 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:09:36.83 | Lily | That's a member winner. |
| 01:09:37.69 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 01:09:38.82 | Lily | Council Member Withy, or excuse me, Vice Mayor Withy? Mayor Hoffman? Yes. That carries for one. |
| 01:09:40.56 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 01:09:41.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:45.27 | Jill Hoffman | Moving on to item 19, this is the MLK updated. This is the trees at MLK. Do we have a motion on the floor to accept that into the budget? |
| 01:09:51.21 | Lily | that. |
| 01:09:56.39 | Ray Withy | So move to |
| 01:09:57.69 | Jill Hoffman | All second? All in favor? Thank you. |
| 01:10:00.42 | Herb Weiner | I'll see you next time. |
| 01:10:00.45 | Jill Hoffman | All right. |
| 01:10:00.86 | Herb Weiner | you |
| 01:10:01.23 | Ray Withy | Actually, I'm sorry, a little discussion around the so moved. I just realized, I'm sorry, I saw the traffic calming. I have issues with this as well. What has currently been put in place at MLK around the new village school has caused what I have observed to be some safety issues. And so if this money is going towards furthering the kind of the preliminary striping and things that they've put in and redirection which literally 90% of the people driving in it's so awkward people are just ignoring it you know I would not support it I would support the funds towards other MLK repair and maintenance but not specifically for this traffic calming |
| 01:10:46.94 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 01:10:47.08 | Unknown | you |
| 01:10:47.16 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 01:10:59.60 | Ray Withy | aspect. |
| 01:11:00.02 | Jill Hoffman | would we uh would we be able to have the any traffic calming issues come before the city council before they're made and for discussion and |
| 01:11:09.00 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, absolutely. This is putting in place the budget to enhance traffic calming. We absolutely can come before the council to tell you what our plan is and what the program would look like, and then council can approve it or not approve it or give us new direction. |
| 01:11:09.05 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay. |
| 01:11:24.12 | Jill Hoffman | All right, I would... Oh, go ahead. |
| 01:11:26.99 | Ray Withy | Oh, I retract my motion to accept this with the traffic calming. Okay. I would move to accept this for MLK maintenance and landscaping, but not traffic calming. |
| 01:11:33.59 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 01:11:44.47 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:11:44.49 | Jill Hoffman | I'm gonna make a friendly amendment that that we approve it with the proviso that any traffic calming issues come before the City Council for approval Thank you. |
| 01:11:56.44 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I would not accept that friendly amendment, but you can make a motion. I will second. |
| 01:12:03.46 | Tom Theodores | I will second the mayor's amended motion. |
| 01:12:06.51 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:12:07.15 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, Lily, you want to take the roll on that one? |
| 01:12:13.07 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:12:13.09 | Lily | Councilmember Theodorus. |
| 01:12:14.51 | Tom Theodores | Yes. |
| 01:12:15.44 | Lily | Councilmember Weiner? Yes. Councilmember Pfeiffer? |
| 01:12:16.38 | Tom Theodores | Yes. |
| 01:12:18.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:12:18.22 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:12:18.34 | Ray Withy | you |
| 01:12:18.39 | Tom Theodores | Bye. |
| 01:12:18.44 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:12:19.61 | Lily | Face Mary with me. |
| 01:12:20.84 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 01:12:22.00 | Lily | Mayor Hoffman. |
| 01:12:23.10 | Jill Hoffman | to get the information. |
| 01:12:23.17 | Lily | you |
| 01:12:23.35 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:12:23.96 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 01:12:23.98 | Jill Hoffman | The next thing I'm going to do is make a suggestion, and I'm open to all other better ideas. That when we talk about items 20 through 24, sorry, 20 through 23. These are the business development, business hospitality, the chamber kiosk. and 23 is the unfunded business advisory committee. So I'm including that as well. That we talk about those maybe as a group, if we wanna break them down, I'm certainly amenable to that as well. So here's my feeling on this, that I'm not opposed to supporting the business community. What I am opposed to is that we have these arbitrary numbers in our budget every year, and they seem to just roll over year to year. you know, the question comes up, well, why is that in the budget? I don't know. It was there last year. So what I would propose is that if we want to leave these sort of placeholder numbers in there, I'm I'm OK with that. But what I'd like to see going forward in this is part of just a drumbeat of greater transparency, more efficiency, more accountability in our budget is if the business community and it doesn't have to be. a certain committee, if you have a plan and you wanna bring it forward for the city to fund, then I say bring it forward and get on the agenda and then you know, we'll give it a up or down vote but that's You know, that's what I would propose and this is I'm just offering this for our discussion that if we approve those Three items that we approve it in that manner that we approve or However, whatever the method you guys want to do, but we approve that For the budget, you know with that proviso. So I'm open to other discussion on that |
| 01:14:15.34 | Herb Weiner | Madam Mayor, the only thing I would, I think generally having a more holistic discussion there I agree with, I would question whether the kiosk should be included there, not that it doesn't need discussion, but it's almost a very separate sort of issue in that we need to be asking the question whether the kiosk function is do we still want it to be administered as it is, should it be, you know, we recognize that it's an important actually city need, which we're perhaps contracting with either the chamber or some other party to perform the function. That's sort of a different issue than economic development issues. |
| 01:15:00.68 | Marcia Smith | Thank you. |
| 01:15:06.25 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 01:15:06.47 | Herb Weiner | question I have. |
| 01:15:06.84 | Jill Hoffman | not have to. Yes, Herb. |
| 01:15:10.84 | Linda Pfeiffer | I really think we ought to take items 20, 21, 22, 23. We ought to just bundle those all together and it should really come under TOT tax as a percentage like other cities do. That's my comment, it really belongs under a certain percentage, 5% of your TOT tax should go for these items like other cities do. |
| 01:15:42.49 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:15:43.00 | Tom Theodores | us let me totally unravel where we were going and because i'll take the opposite view i i actually think that will um i think we should look at these separately because i look at everything i i with all due respect to council member weiner uh i look at everything that we do we're not giving any money to the business community or um to the chamber whoever each one of these will have to be demonstrably for the benefit of the city. And we'll take the kiosk, for example. I think it's a pretty small amount. Every city, I just got off a two-week trip to Mexico, every city had a large tourist information center they spent a lot of money on. This is $11,000 for one. |
| 01:15:43.03 | Jill Hoffman | Let us. |
| 01:15:43.61 | Linda Pfeiffer | Bye. |
| 01:15:43.84 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:16:24.65 | Tom Theodores | a million people get off the ferry, to have them greeted. This is a city function. This is not giving money to the chamber. This is allowing the chamber to provide a function for the city. I think everything should be viewed through that lens. Certainly the kiosk, I think it to me is is pretty as easily. They are our contractors on this and they're doing that on the other two, I think on the hospitality committee and the same thing with the business development Detailed budget to be approved by the city. and to show that there's a demonstrable benefit to us. That's what I would do. I would bundle the two, but certainly the kiosk For $11,000 and for what they do, I don't think there warrants any more discussion in my book. |
| 01:17:05.48 | Herb Weiner | My only question there is whether it's enough. I mean, what is the actual economics of running the kiosk? I don't know. I mean. |
| 01:17:10.50 | Ray Withy | running the cable. Did you? How about this? |
| 01:17:14.80 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF |
| 01:17:14.85 | Ray Withy | All right. |
| 01:17:15.05 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, go ahead. |
| 01:17:15.80 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:17:15.81 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:17:15.93 | Ray Withy | Okay, no, I would just comment on the kiosk having volunteered, you know, at the kiosk years ago and been on the, sat on the chamber board. And I, you know, there was a time when the kiosk was, you know, staffed by volunteers. And if you want, if for whatever reason there's a lien, you know, against that, well, certainly volunteers could be used to supplement the help so you know I just feel very strongly that that is something that needs to be explored and I know that we heard from staff that it was the opinion of staff that the the study into Caledonia Street being resident serving was not something that would cost money, but I do think that there could be a case for a consultant doing a study and comparing that to other cities, other ordinances they have to ensure that nice mix, to ensure that there is not like a tilt, especially in light of this recent housing element that was passed with the vertical mixed use, which dictates now that second floors are supposed to be housing and bottom floors are businesses. Now you're pushing out the small businesses on the second floor, and they are coming to the bottom floor. We are seeing a big turn in Caledonia Street, and it's of concern. We heard from three small business owners this evening with their concern. So when I look at item 20, and it says, fund activities to help develop new and existing businesses, I would kind of flip that and say, to maintain Caledonia's residents serving businesses and adopt and make a recommendation to council regarding new legislation to that effect. |
| 01:19:13.03 | Jill Hoffman | So here's, I'm going to make a suggestion then, and you guys might disagree with it. So with regard to the kiosk, and this is just something that I've seen evolve, evolve, evolve over the past year or so with the advent of Sausalito Plus. And, you know, it may be that it's easier and better, more efficient. for everybody for that to be, um, you know, the management of the kiosk may go through some sort of evolution as a pilot program, as a one year. I don't know. But so my suggestion on maybe item 22 is that the city staff work with the chamber and whoever else, Sausalito Plus, about the effect of management and the ease of management for the kiosk for the purposes of the city functions that it does. And so |
| 01:20:13.83 | Tom Theodores | You know, honestly, I think as Councilman with the I mean, this is $11,000. And with all due respect, it's almost insulting they've done it. The chamber owns the kiosk, they they provide it, they have two excellent employees that have been there for a long time. I mean, |
| 01:20:24.22 | Jill Hoffman | We're going to provide it. |
| 01:20:27.77 | Tom Theodores | I don't think we need to spend staff time to review if it's going to be better managed. |
| 01:20:31.87 | Jill Hoffman | Well, I know, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about getting input from the chamber as well. I mean, well, I, but we have to put it in the budget. |
| 01:20:37.99 | Tom Theodores | Well, But we have to put it in the budget. We have to decide. And let me just say. |
| 01:20:40.37 | Jill Hoffman | to decide and let me just say let me just say I would never sit up here as a city council member and say it's ten thousand dollars I don't care about it every penny gets scrutiny of course so whether or not we're talking about a kiosk that is a semi city function and then we're talking about who's managing that and who's going forward with that and you know whether or not the chamber even once |
| 01:20:47.91 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:20:48.05 | Adam Driver | and, you know, Thank you. |
| 01:20:49.60 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:20:49.70 | Lauren and Newlin | Thank you. |
| 01:20:49.81 | Tom Theodores | I'm sorry. |
| 01:20:49.82 | Lauren and Newlin | I'm sorry. |
| 01:20:49.84 | Tom Theodores | but this is still a little amount of that function |
| 01:21:04.93 | Jill Hoffman | Well, I mean, I think that's a fair question to ask the chamber. Going forward, do you want to even have the burden of having employees, or would you rather move that over to some other function? And there would be, if the chamber owns the kiosk, or they own the building of the kiosk. |
| 01:21:20.03 | Adam Driver | the building of the campus. |
| 01:21:21.38 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, then that's a member of understanding or some sort of agreement between us and the city about how that asset's used going forward. I think that warrants discussion further before we approve it. |
| 01:21:33.24 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yeah, first of all, there are two different things. Sausalito Plus is in charge of the bicycles. |
| 01:21:33.27 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. THAT'S A GOOD THING. |
| 01:21:39.69 | Linda Pfeiffer | All right. There are more people that get on the ferry. than they ride bicycles with people. and that's separate. When they get off that ferry, they go along the promenade and right to the kiosk. Where are you going to do it? Send them to where the bicycles are? They're two separate operations. and I recommend you don't even go to mixing them together. |
| 01:22:09.13 | Jill Hoffman | Well, to Council Member Weiner's point, I agree. And I'm saying that we need to have somebody in the kiosk. I mean, you know. And, um, And, you know, my experience has been with the ambassadors is that they're all the ambassadors are ambassadors for our business community as well and so No, no, no. Our ambassadors, people come up and ask our ambassadors where to go, where's the thing. I mean, it's all over. |
| 01:22:34.55 | Linda Pfeiffer | All over the place. You're not going to Sausalito Plus. You're going right to the kiosk, because that's where the promenade takes you. |
| 01:22:41.57 | Jill Hoffman | I got it, okay. All right. Anybody wanna make a motion? |
| 01:22:45.13 | Herb Weiner | So, Madam Mayor, I think it's obvious there needs to be some further discussion on |
| 01:22:46.88 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 01:22:50.65 | Herb Weiner | how to, what's the relationship with the kiosk going forward. Right now, however, we need a placeholder in the budget. |
| 01:22:56.96 | Jill Hoffman | Well, do we want, or do we want to put this over and maybe have some discussions with staff? No. Between now and the next? |
| 01:23:02.27 | Tom Theodores | Between now? |
| 01:23:03.03 | Herb Weiner | We need to approve the 11,000 in the budget. |
| 01:23:05.97 | Tom Theodores | And, you know, honestly, this is a pretty good deal. I mean, it's not going to go down. So we're going to at least have to, at least, even if you shift management, you're going to need $11,000 for the kid. |
| 01:23:16.48 | Jill Hoffman | What I'm hearing is I think somebody wants to make a motion. Okay, I'll make a motion to approve. |
| 01:23:18.03 | Tom Theodores | once they're in the motion. No, okay, I'll make a motion to approve item 22, the $11,000 to contribute to the ongoing maintenance and operation of the Chamber of Commerce welcome kiosk. |
| 01:23:29.80 | Jill Hoffman | Did anybody? |
| 01:23:29.95 | Tom Theodores | I'm doing I'd like to do them. So I'm making that motion. |
| 01:23:31.84 | Jill Hoffman | I'm making that motion. Yeah. Okay. Did anybody want to second that motion? |
| 01:23:34.86 | Tom Theodores | I'll second it. |
| 01:23:36.29 | Jill Hoffman | Lily, would you take the... Roll on that one. |
| 01:23:39.84 | Lily | Councilmember Weiner. |
| 01:23:40.98 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yes. |
| 01:23:42.00 | Lily | Councilmember Pfeiffer? Councilmember Theodorus? |
| 01:23:47.06 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 01:23:48.44 | Lily | Vice Mayor with you? |
| 01:23:49.37 | Herb Weiner | Yes. |
| 01:23:50.11 | Lily | Thank you. Mayor Hoffman, no. That carries, 3-2. |
| 01:23:54.13 | Jill Hoffman | Very good, moving on to our next, so then, Councilmember Theodores, I think you had a suggestion with regard to those other items. |
| 01:24:06.62 | Tom Theodores | I would say that items 20 and 21 and in the staff report, the options are detailed budget to be approved by the city council. I make a motion to approve those subject to the caveat detail budget to be approved by the city council. |
| 01:24:20.24 | Jill Hoffman | I'll second that. I'm sorry, what were those items? Oh, those were 20 and 21? |
| 01:24:21.11 | Ray Withy | and |
| 01:24:26.90 | Jill Hoffman | And 23, but there's nothing in 23. Okay. Yeah, so 20 and 21. And I second the motion. |
| 01:24:26.94 | Ray Withy | Oh. |
| 01:24:27.27 | Adam Driver | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:24:32.84 | Jill Hoffman | Any further discussion on that? LILLY. |
| 01:24:36.98 | Ray Withy | You want to take the role? Council member Pfeiffer. I look it back to make because we've already yeah, no, I know anyway. Council member. Okay, no. |
| 01:24:42.04 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 01:24:43.61 | Unknown | I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO |
| 01:24:44.03 | Jill Hoffman | Council member. The. Okay. No. All right. Do you want us to move on to. No, there's a motion on the floor. There's a motion. Sorry. |
| 01:24:51.23 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:24:51.37 | Tom Theodores | There's a motion on the floor. |
| 01:24:53.12 | Ray Withy | It's not uncommon for a council member to say, get back to me, just keep going with the voting. |
| 01:24:57.14 | Tom Theodores | keep going with the voting. The President Trump's vote. |
| 01:25:00.13 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I mean, I'm obviously going to vote on it. I just want to review the items. Okay. |
| 01:25:05.01 | Lily | I'm not sure. |
| 01:25:05.04 | Tom Theodores | Councilmember Theodore. Yes. |
| 01:25:05.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:25:05.56 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 01:25:05.58 | Ray Withy | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:25:05.77 | Lily | Member Theodore. Councilmember Weiner. |
| 01:25:08.80 | Tom Theodores | Yes. |
| 01:25:09.73 | Lily | Vice Mayor Withing? |
| 01:25:11.06 | Tom Theodores | Yes. |
| 01:25:12.06 | Lily | Mayor Hoffman? Yes. Councilmember Pfeiffer? Yes. That carries 5-0. |
| 01:25:17.71 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:25:17.73 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 01:25:18.10 | Tom Theodores | And may I, on 23, there's nothing to vote on. So I just think we move. |
| 01:25:22.12 | Jill Hoffman | Agreed. Agreed. All right, and so item 24. Do we have any questions or discussion on item number 24? |
| 01:25:38.16 | Herb Weiner | I think it's a very sensible thing for us to do. |
| 01:25:38.23 | Jill Hoffman | I think. I'm not supposed to do it. Thank you. Would you like to make a motion, Vice Mayor? WHAT IS THE FAMILY? |
| 01:25:45.56 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. to the extent we need one, I direct staff in the finance committee to draft funding and use policy and strategy for the pension and Obed irrevocable trust within the first quarter of the next fiscal year. So that's July to September. And report back to the city council. |
| 01:26:05.77 | Linda Pfeiffer | I'll second. |
| 01:26:06.95 | Jill Hoffman | All in favor. Thank you. |
| 01:26:07.66 | Linda Pfeiffer | Hi. |
| 01:26:07.68 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 01:26:08.14 | Ray Withy | you |
| 01:26:08.20 | Jill Hoffman | Anybody opposed? |
| 01:26:08.24 | Ray Withy | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:26:12.89 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry, could you repeat that motion? |
| 01:26:15.91 | Herb Weiner | I just read what? 24. |
| 01:26:19.26 | Tom Riley | Thank you. |
| 01:26:21.38 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:26:21.45 | Ray Withy | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:26:21.65 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:26:29.03 | Ray Withy | Okay, yes. Thank you. |
| 01:26:32.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:26:41.29 | Jill Hoffman | So now we're moving on. Moving on to the draft capital improvement plan. |
| 01:26:48.10 | Jill Hoffman | Do we have any? |
| 01:26:50.83 | Tom Theodores | Which one? What page are we on? |
| 01:26:52.73 | Jill Hoffman | I'm on page seven of 13. |
| 01:26:57.02 | Tom Theodores | Oh, this one, it's a different number, you know? |
| 01:26:59.25 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:26:59.27 | Melanie Purcell | It's page 35 of the presentation. |
| 01:26:59.55 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE |
| 01:27:00.24 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:27:00.26 | Jill Hoffman | I'm just kidding. |
| 01:27:03.15 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 01:27:05.00 | Tom Theodores | Yeah. |
| 01:27:05.61 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. So do any council members have any questions about the capital improvement plan? |
| 01:27:20.63 | Ray Withy | The Sister City Kesh Kesh project, is that the Bank of America Plaza? |
| 01:27:30.76 | Adam Politzer | I'm sorry. |
| 01:27:31.14 | Ray Withy | Mayor, maybe I can respond to this. |
| 01:27:31.18 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:27:31.21 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:27:31.31 | Adam Politzer | Mayor, maybe I can respond to this. |
| 01:27:33.25 | Jill Hoffman | Is Jonathan still here? Is he? |
| 01:27:34.77 | Adam Politzer | Jonathan still here but it's it's it's evolved that the Finance Committee had a discussion about this I think the council members received a letter from our sister city representatives with a variety of concerns about the Bank America location because of costs associated with So rather than the Finance Committee I agree on the location we agreed that we put a placeholder in the budget with matching donations and then redirect the sister cities back to the Park and Rec Commission to review the other locations which include it here at the Civic Center, the Bank of America, and Gabrielson Park, just to name three that come to top of mind. And if there's a consensus on a location, then to bring that back, to the council with a little bit more detail than we've received. the location the design and the costs with the assumption again that the city wasn't contributing financially towards that project so that's that's the recommendation of a placeholder in the budget that you see before you |
| 01:28:43.42 | Herb Weiner | So just to be clear, that, um, |
| 01:28:45.41 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 01:28:45.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:28:45.58 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 01:28:45.60 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:28:45.61 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 01:28:50.66 | Herb Weiner | When it comes to cash flow in the capital fund, it's neutral with regards to this project. |
| 01:28:58.91 | Melanie Purcell | Yes, sir. |
| 01:28:58.94 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:29:07.89 | Jill Hoffman | Any other questions? |
| 01:29:09.31 | Ray Withy | So I guess for the capital improvement plan, and this is not one of the things I'm seeing here, but again, it's a matter of a higher priority for me. The access to the beach, Sweeney Beach, next to the former Valhalla, we have long... Swedes Beach? I'm sorry, not Sweeney, Swedes, Swedes Beach. We've long heard about, you know, how steps are going to be put down there and etc. And it hasn't happened for years. And it just seems to me that that would be rise to the top in terms of a priority. And you know, so I don't know if Jonathan wants to comment on that. |
| 01:29:31.43 | Adam Driver | Sweet. I'm sorry, not Sweeney. |
| 01:29:56.32 | Adam Politzer | Madam Mayor, if I can just respond to that, I think that the council will remember that was a condition of approval for the Valhalla project to create water access there that would then take folks back to Swede's Beach. The stairs down from Valley Street, significant costs in repair of those steps, those steps and that is not yet been proposed or prioritized by the council compared to the other items that are before you |
| 01:30:30.90 | Ray Withy | So Adam, just a clarification, the access to the beach next to the Valhalla, that was part of the terms? Because I guess I'm concerned that I'm not seeing any movement in that project whatsoever, and perhaps that's a different conversation. |
| 01:30:47.33 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, they're at the end of getting, you know, they went through the Planning Commission and the City Council approvals, and now they're into the detailed construction permits. And so they're at the tail end of getting their construction permits with construction scheduled in the next year. |
| 01:31:04.00 | Ray Withy | Okay, thanks. Thank you. |
| 01:31:08.31 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:31:08.32 | Ray Withy | Anyone else? |
| 01:31:09.03 | Jill Hoffman | Questions on the capital improvement program? Nope. |
| 01:31:13.49 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:31:27.53 | Ray Withy | Just as a comment, I still have the same concerns I had mentioned earlier about the City Hall. I mean allocating almost half a million over the next four years for, landscaping at City Hall I mean there are some things that I really like about the proposal but then there are other things that you know I just have questions about in terms of the priorities so you know anyway but I'll I'll just let that Make that comment and step back. |
| 01:31:57.21 | Tom Theodores | step in. we're really, we're approving, budgeting $55,000 for this year in further. But is that correct? Yes. So and everything's contingent about what that design and it'll come back to Council before we allocate anything else. And any details relating to that. So we're authorizing the design right now. |
| 01:32:04.08 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 01:32:09.14 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:32:14.81 | Ray Withy | Yeah. I recognize that, Tom. It's just that I'm looking at this budget, and I'm seeing $100,000 for the next four years after that. And so it just doesn't... Yeah. Okay. Okay. |
| 01:32:31.45 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. thank you okay do we have any other issues that we need to address on the budget |
| 01:32:38.93 | Ray Withy | Well, yeah, I would say that I still have an issue keeping the South Gateway in there, the South City limits to Richardson in there as a placeholder. I don't. I feel very uncomfortable about that. And I think that we're looking at this backwards, too. I think that rather than leaving this here and then agendizing it to get public feedback, I think it should be removed from the budget and then have a public hearing about it to get feedback. And then if the community wants to move forward, then we put it as the placeholder in the budget. This to me seems like it's backwards. |
| 01:33:26.12 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Any other comments with regard to the budget total it seems like that's where we are okay Melanie what do you need from us if anything If there's no further changes. We need a motion to approve the budget as is, as proposed. As proposed and voted on tonight. Yeah, do I have a motion? |
| 01:33:53.11 | Linda Pfeiffer | So moved. So moved. Second. |
| 01:33:53.18 | Jill Hoffman | I'm a move. Okay, all in favor? |
| 01:33:57.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:33:58.10 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:33:58.17 | Linda Pfeiffer | Bye. |
| 01:33:58.19 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:33:58.42 | Ray Withy | I. Yeah, no, no, based on the reasons like |
| 01:33:58.85 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF Yeah. |
| 01:34:00.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:34:00.30 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Yes, it was. Thank you. |
| 01:34:07.50 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:34:09.68 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:34:09.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:34:09.71 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. We're going to take a five-minute break. Thank you for coming. |
| 01:34:12.62 | Unknown | Three minute break. Uh, |
| 01:34:17.09 | Unknown | . Thank you. |
| 01:34:17.76 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:34:17.80 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:34:17.83 | Unknown | it. |
| 01:34:17.97 | Unknown | Are we ready? |
| 01:34:21.07 | Jill Hoffman | THE FAMILY. Thank you. |
| 01:34:22.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:34:22.51 | Jill Hoffman | All right, we're back on the record here at the city council meeting, and we're moving right on to business item 6B, and we have a presentation. 6B is bicycle parking and congestion management update. And our presentation is going to be with our chief of police, John Robacher. And thank you. Yes. |
| 01:34:47.72 | John Rohrabacher | Okay, good evening, Mayor and Vice Mayor, members of the City Council. My name is John Rohrabacher. I'm your Chief of Police. And I would like to introduce a few more people that are here in the audience tonight that are part of our working group to manage congestion and park bikes and get people on the ferries. Tom Riley, who is here representing Sausalito Plus. And Jeff Sears representing Blazing Saddles and Rental Bikes. And Jeannie Oriana from Bay City Bikes. Great. Kim Swindler representing both Golden Gate Ferry and Blue and Gold Ferry. |
| 01:35:15.86 | Unknown | Great. |
| 01:35:21.20 | John Rohrabacher | And I think that's it. But then Dr. Fotch is here from Pedestrian and Bike Advisory Committee. Kudos, Lamas. Sorry. Start group, right? Okay. Just to make sure I didn't forget anybody. |
| 01:35:32.10 | Adam Driver | THE END OF THE END OF THE you know, |
| 01:35:33.02 | Unknown | Great. |
| 01:35:36.38 | John Rohrabacher | They're all here tonight because we are working together to present to you a unified approach to what we're trying to do with congestion management. So we were here a month ago. And. Basically, you sent us packing and said, come back with some more answers. And so that's why we're here. |
| 01:35:56.41 | John Rohrabacher | So just to highlight what happened in May before we get into some other details. May started to heat up a little bit with some more activity. We had 32,900 bikes counted by the ambassadors. And the high point of the month, of course, was Memorial Day weekend. And over 4,000 bikes counted, and 900 bikes were parked that day, with over 3,000 the day before that. So in the month of May... Saucena Plus and the ambassadors sold over $10,000. tickets for bike parking. And it was our first month where we're starting to see the kind of numbers that we want to see that we're going to need for the rest of the season. that. month and I'm going to point out a couple more times in the budget when we get to those slides is that a lot of this is projection and estimates, and Deb Vach has been the primary author of the budget, and she estimated that the income for that month would be $28,500, but in fact, we took in 30,000. So it was good that we turned that into a higher number. And as we go forward and project expenses, the estimate was actually gonna be $34,000 of expenses in May, but it turned out to be 31. So we're finally seeing again some I'm not sure. shift in the numbers that will see us through to the end of the season. |
| 01:37:29.82 | John Rohrabacher | So there's a lot to the plan about parking bikes, and having people be safe and be able to get on the ferry. park legally and we've been and basically I have been resisting and waiting and waiting and waiting before we are going to lock up some bikes. But now we're ready. Thank you. And we just took our last steps. starting last week when Deb Vach and I and Lieutenant Gregory and Chris Robeson from South Student Plus went to some of the – to start to get some interest going in a merchant validation program And the goal of that is if the merchants see a bike's parking in front of their restaurant, that they would encourage them to go park in the bike parking area. and that if they come back and spend money in their restaurant, stay and eat, or whatever service they provide. that the merchant would in fact validate their parking. So we wanted to test that out and as a free program for a work week, one weekend and another work week. So it's actually almost two full weeks. If the interest seems to pick up in that, then the first thing we're going to do is go back. And I told them this when we met with them, It's a soft sell, almost like that teaser. Here's free. Next time's a dollar. If it's working, we're going to go to two. We want some more money, but. we want to really see that it has a fair chance of working. Because the idea is to get some of those bikes off the sidewalk that clog up in front of the restaurants and some of the other shops. So I personally don't know any feedback yet on that. It just started in this last work week. This will be coming up tomorrow. um, another weekend where they will be able to pass out their tickets one of the things that we did too was we wrote the name of the establishment on the free tickets so that we can get an idea about where the validations are coming from I don't know that we're going to have the time to track that throughout the season but we want to get a test period going to see how that works and it's important because The more bikes that park, obviously we get more revenue for valet parking, but less spikes for congestion, and then less bikes that we have to actually lock up. Because if we can do everything possible to avoid that, I think we're in a good place when we finally do put those cables around. So we have our own box of cables with the... sample offered by Dr. Fotch and then we have locks and we're ready to go pretty soon. So, I got ahead of myself on my slides. So the impounding is only gonna be done by police people. But the unlocking is either gonna be done by somebody from Saucyuta Plus or maybe a private vendor Lieutenant Gregory is working on the details of that program right this minute. but we're looking for a start date around June 23rd because we wanna have some of the kinks ironed out before we get close to Fourth of July weekend. And, but up until that time, the Sausalito Plus ambassadors are still putting warning notices on bikes that are parked illegally. And They're also putting out what we call the warning bike, It's the bike that's actually put out in some place illegal, locked with a sign on it saying this bike's impounded, hopefully sending a message that. Not a good place to park. So that's kind of what's going on with that. It's our last piece of all the different programs to entice people to park where we want them to and to not park in any of our illegal area in the downtown zone. |
| 01:41:31.10 | John Rohrabacher | So moving forward, after the last meeting, We created a smaller working group from our sort of larger groups. consisting of the South Sea to Plus, the ferry companies, bicycle rental companies, and, of course, the police department. And we had two really good meetings already to discuss what we're going to be doing going forward, and you're going to see some of that coming up now as I go into the budget slides. |
| 01:41:58.75 | John Rohrabacher | So I apologize that I just handed those out tonight, so you probably haven't had a lot of time to look at them. I'll walk through a little bit more detail. If you have questions, just ask. But the top rope, represents the projections of revenue. So that's just simply based on bike parking. And starting off with smaller numbers and knowing that July and August are big months for us, the big money months, and then tapers off as the season winds down. And again, it's a projection, $238,000. And of course the goal would be is to not spend more than $238,000 because we're committed to not having a program that goes into the red. But on the other hand, there is projected expenses, payroll, and then initially in the beginning, there's some insurance costs and some different things related to being the employer, that's Sausalito Plus. And so we start off with heavy costs in the beginning, and then we work towards making that up towards the end. But you will see that we are short, and we know that we're short, based on the projections. So we are hoping that More bikes park in the bike corral because we have done everything we can now to bring them there. The bike rental companies are committed to... telling their customers in many different ways that Here's where you park, whether it's the use of any brochures or information they hand out, and then also, You know, they have graphics they put in their paperwork, but it's just any kind of message to get people to park in the bike corral. The other is if we find that as we track this that our revenues aren't as high as we would like, then the idea is that we are going to cut back on payroll. because it's the only other way to make that go, or of course have some additional contributions I'm not sure. Ferry, the Blue and Gold Ferry, which you heard last month when Carolyn Horgan offered that, and also from the bike rental companies. But we don't have to have a dollar commitment at this point because, again, these are all projections. We just have a unified commitment to work together to bring this in as a break-even budget. So for the first few months here, there's a couple of things I think that are important to point out. And that is a little bit of the uncanny ability of DepVOTCH to make some of these projections. So there was an estimated income of $53,400 and actual income was $53,730. So we're on track. income. And remember, this is just based on the pilot program experience from last year, which was not a full season. So we're happy to see that happen. estimated expenses we are actually under by about $7,000. We thought to this point we would be somewhere in the $100,000 range, but in fact we are about $93,000. Now make no mistake, we know those are all big numbers. We know that at the moment we are not at a break even point But we are only being this successful now because Saucydo Plus is watching, their uh... daily and weekly expenses and are making adjustments even now as they need to for based on how any day is going and being busy. That's our plan. we think it's going to work just fine other half of this is the curing of bicycles to get on the ferries. I talked about this last month. The ferry district has added more boats. That's made a huge difference in being able to get our visitors on the boats and out of town. reduce the queuing to almost no queuing lines at all. They line up, the boats are there, they get on the boats, they leave, and we haven't had any complaints or concerns. And it's a great thing. Between the efforts of the ferry district and the bike rental companies to make that happen, it seems to be working very well. So at the moment, unless something is going wrong with that, I don't intend to fiddle with it, because it's working fine. I'm not sure. That's our summary. If you have questions of me, I'm happy to answer them. My posse is here if you have questions of them to you can certainly ask them. Yeah. Your turn. |
| 01:46:45.12 | Ray Withy | So thank you, Chief, for that presentation. Appreciate it. My question is, you mentioned that in May that the total number of bikes were 32,900. It would be interesting to me. I'm assuming you're making the projected income estimates based on the number of bikes you're expecting. Is that a fair assumption? Yes. So it would be interesting to me if perhaps you could maybe follow up and send counsel the estimate of bikes, bike numbers that you're expecting, you know, for the coming months. I'd just be interested in taking a look at that. |
| 01:47:03.55 | Adam Driver | Interesting. |
| 01:47:19.11 | John Rohrabacher | Yes. |
| 01:47:33.99 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 01:47:34.03 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:47:34.15 | Herb Weiner | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:47:39.49 | Mary Wagner | Agree. |
| 01:47:42.14 | Herb Weiner | You may not be able to answer this question immediately. Of the, in May, we had $28,000, $29,000 of income, was it? Okay. What proportion of the capacity of parking does that revenue represent? And the capacity of parking as we have it right now in our downtown. I'm not including extra spaces we might put later on in Bank of America or anything like that. But right now, in Tracy Way, the total number of racks we've got and the total capacity to park is this, represent 50 percent, 70 percent? And what, if we parked at our maximum, what would be the revenue? Thank you. |
| 01:48:40.95 | John Rohrabacher | You're right. I probably can't answer that. But I can take a little bit of a stab at it because I'm getting the reports from the officers that work on the weekends and also from Deb and her Monday report to me. And it seems like on the very busy days that we are at times at about 80% capacity. And please don't hold me to that exactly. But there's still some room left, but also there's some turnover in the spots. So that's what makes it a little bit tougher to nail down to a precise number, because ideally there would be some turnover because it makes more revenue for us in bike parking. So as some people leave, more people come in. But we haven't got to the point yet where we have overflowed and not had room to park all the bikes that want to come in. |
| 01:49:30.62 | Herb Weiner | Madam Mayor, I think Dr. Foch may have the answer to my question. |
| 01:49:35.31 | Jill Hoffman | Would you like to give the answer, Dr. Fotch? Yes, you may. like. Unless there's no. |
| 01:49:41.62 | Ed Fotch | All yours. So I would, in a simple answer, I would think of it in terms of 50%. The problem you have is it's a multivariable equation because the weekends are obviously when it's busiest. And on average on the weekends that are busy, you turn each spot twice, each parking spot twice. And as another frame of reference, last year there was only one day when the lot was completely full. But some of these other, if we start enforcing the bike parking, we're gonna push up the demand for the valet parking, but to simply answer your question, I would think of that as, as 50% and I would think as the maximum revenue is order of magnitude going to be $60,000 a month if we really are official. |
| 01:50:24.87 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yeah. Thanks. Thank you. |
| 01:50:26.76 | Ed Fotch | Thank you. |
| 01:50:26.98 | Linda Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 01:50:26.99 | Ed Fotch | Thank you. |
| 01:50:27.59 | Linda Pfeiffer | Just a car. Thank you. Just to comment on that, there are 40 bike racks on Tracy Way. So if you average the way they valet parks at 15, you can put as many as 15 bikes. So there's your numbers. |
| 01:50:44.31 | Unknown | there's your number. What you got? |
| 01:50:45.46 | Linda Pfeiffer | Thank you. And then you have your turnover Saturday. On Saturday, usually after 2.30, you have more bikes going out than coming in. On Sunday, it's an hour later, approximately. So that's what I see. |
| 01:51:03.97 | Ray Withy | Go ahead. And it's my understanding that you're not doing the priority or whatever it was called, priority bike parking. We are not. We are not doing any of those. |
| 01:51:13.96 | John Rohrabacher | We are not. We are not doing any of those. |
| 01:51:16.25 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 01:51:16.54 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:51:16.56 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. So Chief, if we could go to the projected valet parking income slide. |
| 01:51:24.29 | John Rohrabacher | Sorry, which one? That one. |
| 01:51:25.05 | Jill Hoffman | That one. So does is that number down there at the bottom on the bottom right? Is that a projected deficit for the season? Okay, so that's my that's my concern and that as we go forward through July and |
| 01:51:33.89 | John Rohrabacher | It is. |
| 01:51:34.28 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 01:51:42.90 | Jill Hoffman | um this month finish out this month and kind of see where we are if we're looking at our biggest revenue generators of july and august then you know we might ask you to come back for recommendations to increase our revenue during those months and to my mind, the increase in revenue would be to increase the cost of the parking. I mean, we don't have any other avenues for revenue. And, you know, I'm, you know, I feel very strongly that this has to be a break-even at least operation and that it shouldn't be funded by the citizens of Sausalito. So, you know, I, and I'm happy to watch this going forward. It may not be necessary. You may be doing gangbusters in June and July, and we're on track. Or if there are other sources of funding to cover that outside funding, then I'm happy to accept those as well. But, so. Anyway, that's sort of my... So our goal is that is |
| 01:52:40.76 | John Rohrabacher | So our goal is that it's going to be a zero number. That's what we're committed to, all of us here tonight. |
| 01:52:43.58 | Jill Hoffman | That's what we're |
| 01:52:44.38 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Great. |
| 01:52:46.50 | John Rohrabacher | Great. |
| 01:52:46.96 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 01:52:47.07 | John Rohrabacher | Madam Mayor, if I may. |
| 01:52:47.97 | Herb Weiner | The, um, either from Melanie Adam or maybe Chief we in the budget we made it zero right we it was presumed to be break-even in the budget yes okay thanks |
| 01:53:00.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:53:01.23 | John Rohrabacher | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:53:03.90 | Ray Withy | Uh, clarification. So, um, looking at this, we, as of October, it's projected to be, um, in the red 38,000. Did I see that right? That's correct. So in the red 38,000. Yeah. I would, I would support increasing the cost of bike parking. |
| 01:53:17.52 | John Rohrabacher | That's correct. |
| 01:53:27.07 | Ray Withy | I mean, I agree that the residents of Sausalito, we should not be picking up that tab. |
| 01:53:34.90 | John Rohrabacher | But again, we are saying that it is our intention to watch that month by month we're actually watching it week by week And we don't ever intend to get close to that number. |
| 01:53:44.85 | Adam Politzer | Okay, thanks, Chief. Mayor, do you want to ask Tom Riley as president of Sassu Plus to address that question as well? |
| 01:53:44.92 | John Rohrabacher | Okay. |
| 01:53:52.92 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 01:53:52.97 | Tom Theodores | it. May I ask one question, Chief, first? It's the same subject, though. Yep. This doesn't include parking enforcement fees or you for fines and does not this is just |
| 01:54:03.67 | John Rohrabacher | It does not. This is just on the $3 revenue for parking bikes. |
| 01:54:06.54 | Tom Theodores | Now, is that an additional revenue source? Do you have any projections on that? |
| 01:54:10.91 | John Rohrabacher | We don't, but of course the amount that the council approved to unlock an impounded bike is $25. So we don't know how many people, ideally we won't collect a nickel because people will all behave. And I know that's not really going to happen. But that's our plan is that. |
| 01:54:27.21 | Ray Withy | in the next week. |
| 01:54:30.11 | John Rohrabacher | everybody will park where they're supposed to and that we don't have to impound any mics. |
| 01:54:33.52 | Tom Theodores | So you don't but you don't anticipate significant amounts from revenue from a tough one and can I know that. |
| 01:54:37.30 | John Rohrabacher | Thank you. |
| 01:54:37.34 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:54:37.45 | John Rohrabacher | I'm not sure. |
| 01:54:37.52 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:54:37.67 | John Rohrabacher | Thank you. |
| 01:54:37.71 | Ray Withy | Tough one. |
| 01:54:39.31 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:54:39.33 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:54:39.36 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 01:54:39.63 | Ray Withy | Can I ask a follow up question to me to that? Because it's my understanding that the impounding only police would do the impounding. So do the impounding. Yes. So I mean, the cost to the taxpayers of having, you know, a police officer having to go out, spend the time impounding the bike, taking it out, you know, to count. I wouldn't count that as as especially when it's just a $25 impound fee. I mean, what is your response to |
| 01:54:47.75 | John Rohrabacher | We are going to do the impounding. Yes. |
| 01:55:08.67 | Ray Withy | To me, I'm concerned about |
| 01:55:11.14 | John Rohrabacher | Sure. And it's a good question. We are also looking at trying to make sure that we're not spending a lot of money from the police personnel to do that. Putting actually responding or putting the cable around a bike and putting the lock on actually should be fairly easy and fairly quick. It's the unlocking process that is more taxing. And so that's why we're looking for assistance, either through Saucido Plus workers who are already there. is more taxing. And so that's why we're looking for assistance either through Saucido Plus workers who are already there to help with any unlocking. And we have a few things left to do to work out all the steps in that but it's not our plan to have police personnel do the unlocking |
| 01:55:53.00 | Ray Withy | Okay, yeah. |
| 01:55:54.08 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:55:54.20 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:55:54.22 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:55:54.23 | Ray Withy | So I'll. |
| 01:55:55.03 | Jill Hoffman | I'll wait for comment. |
| 01:55:56.60 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:55:56.61 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Tom, you were going to give us a wisdom? |
| 01:56:01.46 | Tom Riley | Thank you, Tom Riley, the chairman of Sausalito Plus. What I'd like to share is that we have formed, I think a very constructive working group, albeit two meetings in, with the ferry service companies, with the bike rental companies, Sausalito Plus. We're all in alignment that the Ambassador program is a very good program for all groups, that we want to keep it in operation, and that we want it to be self-funding. So no funds from the taxpayers. The primary source of income is through valet bike parking. We want to work with the bike rental companies to encourage their customers to park in the valley parking. So we're working on ideas to do that. When there's a shortfall, we're also working to get what I call supplemental funds from the ferry service companies and the bike rental companies. It's currently they're operating the queuing program, but we're looking for additional source of funds. If we don't have the additional source of funds from all the players involved, then we'll have to deprecate the services in the back half of the year to achieve a break even. I'm very confident we have good visibility into the income and our expenses. that we can achieve break even. But it's in all of our interests, and I speak on behalf of the folks we've been meeting with here, to keep the ambassadors in place to find ways to fund it. And that's our objective. |
| 01:57:27.20 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay, any other questions from City Council before we move on to public comment? All right, let's move on to public comment on this agenda item. I have a speaker card from Dr. Fotch. That's the only speaker card I have. |
| 01:57:47.65 | Ed Fotch | Good evening again. Ed Fotch to Alexander, chairman of your pedestrian and bicycle advisory committee. Just a couple of observations. First of all, if there's interest from the Council in additional potential sources of revenue, you might charge the pedestrian and bike committee to come up with some suggestions for you to consider. THE FAMILY. going from $3 to $4. If you passed algebra, you can figure out the impact, although if that reduces the number of people that park there, then you have to factor that into account. I'm not sure. Secondly, as it relates to the ferry lines, I've just noticed because I'm down there a fair amount, there's more ferries coming in, which is good. and as the chief pointed out, there's no ferry lines, but there's no lift lines at Squaw Valley for the chair's right now either because we're kind of not in the season yet. If you extrapolate from the 30,000 to the 50,000, in projected revenue, you can assume we're almost going to double the number of bikes that come in in July and August versus June and definitely May. So I think the... The jury's still out on that one. And if I could be so bold to suggest a single point of focus for now is on bike enforcement. and I say that for several reasons. Number one, we've had this ordinance on our books for two years and we haven't enforced it yet. which isn't a complaint, it's just a fact, and it takes some time as the chief points out to figure out who's going to do it, who's going to unlock them, and all that sort of stuff. and you don't want the cure worse than the disease, But the truth of the matter is the enforcement of the bike ordinance is key whether you're pro bike or no bike it really doesn't make any difference it will impact the budget I'll just give an example every weekend day, in fact every day during the busy summertime There's literally dozens adding up to 100 bikes a day that are parked illegally at various places. If you walk around, I know Herb knows this, you go up to Gabrielson Park and you go behind B of A, If you have 100 bikes a day paying $3 for 100 days, that's $30,000 and your shortfall is gone. So parking enforcement is key from that standpoint. It's also key from a quality of life standpoint. Because what drives the citizens nuts, in addition to the people driving slow, in the middle of the road is the streets are crowded with bikes, and the sidewalks are crowded with bikes, and the... Parks are crowded with bikes, so it's an arrow that hits a lot of targets. So if we can get that piece right, over the next sort of 60 days, I think it will go a long way to increasing our revenue, decreasing the angst, and generally speaking solving some of these problems. It won't make everything go away, But if you had to sort of choose one thing to focus on, I would suggest that is the thing. Thanks. |
| 02:00:31.73 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Any other public comment on this item? Seeing none. All right, let's city council discussion. Thank you. Anybody want to start? Okay. Go ahead. |
| 02:00:48.05 | Herb Weiner | I, I think there's no actual action tonight, right? It's just to receive and file this. I think it's got off to a good start this season. I am encouraged to hear that you're proactively looking. I understand exactly what Tom said there. You've got visibility into the revenue and expenses, so you can mid-year move fast on your, mid-season move fast on your feet if you want to sort of adjust some things. I agree that our goal is to try and move this to be neutral for cash neutral for the city. I also understand that enforcement is really necessary, so I'm wishing, |
| 02:00:54.91 | Adam Driver | phone. |
| 02:01:41.51 | Herb Weiner | Good luck to you, Chief, to get that off the ground and see how it goes. It's, I think, as Dr. Farcher said, it's a critical component of the whole equation, which could really make this work. And I'm also, very encouraged compared to last season, I'm very encouraged that the team, the bigger team of you guys, Police Department, Sausalito Plus, and the ferry folks and the bike rental companies appear to be gelling into trying to solve the same problem this year, and that's great. So if that continues, I think we all should be very pleased. |
| 02:02:27.95 | Lili Shahabi | Thanks. |
| 02:02:30.24 | Tom Theodores | I'll go. Thank you, Chief Rohrabacher. And I agree with Council Member Withey. I mean, I think the best part of all this we're on the right track is you said you have your posse here. And the idea that everyone is working together, and you have some real firepower there, there are some really intelligent people. And these people have been, you've all been working on it for a long time. And I'm glad that you're all here today. But when you work together, I it's going's gonna be you could see that we're making progress on this so I that I think that's the most encouraging thing I think your numbers and such I agree we have to get it down to zero but also the goal is really to get downtown back for for everyone to handle the congestion it's health and safety and getting that together and and and we'll keep focus on the numbers to make sure that we balance on it. And I think we're on a great track. I would like to, on the numbers and the projections, my understanding was last year was actually down from the year before. I'd like to see what the numbers, because we've been assuming that the numbers of bikes are going up exponentially. And I'm not sure that's true. I'd like to see what the numbers are month to month over the last couple of years would be helpful. So thank you all, and thank you all for coming out tonight and all of you that are involved in it. |
| 02:03:45.77 | Unknown | No? |
| 02:03:50.58 | Ray Withy | Yeah, so I want to thank everyone who presented and, Chief, the hard work you're doing on this and everyone involved. I heard a couple things when I see these numbers. I remain concerned. I know with respect to the number of bikes, they keep going up, up, up. I heard the comment from one of the speakers, quote, we're not in season now. Well, I'm looking at these numbers. We had 33,000 bikes in May. We had 4,000 bikes on one Sunday, May 29th. We're not in season. You know, what's becoming very obvious is that season is becoming all year round. I mean, I was catching the ferry in January, and there were crowds. So I think it's going to be sort of kind of a myth that there is a season. The season for these rental bikes is pretty much, in my opinion, all year round. And it's of concern because our infrastructure, town was not built for this we have too many bikes I have to say too many rental bikes and we need to find a way to reduce that I have submitted to council earlier a proposal to do that I hope that my proposal will be considered with Saucydo Plus I guess when Sa when saucer plus first came forward it was my support I supported an RFP a public request for proposal for services to ensure we were getting because this is a public a service that is being given to the city to valet park these bikes and you're using public assets Tracy way to you know collect funds on this and so you know it just seems to me to be competitive like all the other services that we should open this up to an RFP The the second comment I would make is I had asked Sauce Little Plus for some transparency with respect to the list of Ambassadors currently working for sauce little plus and the amounts paid I remember last year there was a sixty thousand dollar, you know payroll for ambassadors This is this is a city service and there is transparency on this and so I I would like to I would like I would like to know that so I also am concerned again that the focus seems to be on on rental bike mitigation as opposed to and managing the ever-growing numbers, which are just unsustainable in terms of how much Sausalito as a small town can take, versus really pursuing systematic means, systemic means of reducing those numbers of bikes. I'm concerned because I'm seeing revenue streams developing around more and more bikes, and so we are rewarding actually you know more and more bikes as opposed to reducing those rental bikes so I'm concerned over the direction and at the same time and I obviously would would hope that it does not finish in the red this year And those are my concerns. So thank you. |
| 02:07:14.62 | Linda Pfeiffer | Well. I want to thank the team for really stepping in this year. And so far, in my opinion, it's working pretty well. Don't forget, these ambassadors are not just on Tracy Way. They were on Bridgeway. They're up and you're coming in Alexander. and they have made a difference on people coming into our city with bicycles. And I think that's a very important factor. And don't forget, they're on the street, so they're not in the bicycle parking making the money. as the others that are working in Sausalito Plus. I think the... The other thing to note was to my knowledge, up till now this year here i don't think tracy way we've had a stolen bike where i think if you look in the years before we have so i think the safety feature is there to me there's only as far as looking at these numbers there's only two ways to really approach it one is if we're not getting to be able to offset the labor costs, then we either cut, some of the labor. Or we go into a congested pricing. type of basis. where you would pay maybe the $4 on the weekend. and $3 during the week. And another thing that I noticed, when people come into town, 3.30, 4 o'clock. and they hit with that $3, and they figure they're only gonna be there with shot time, The majority of them do not. Pull in. to pay for that. might be considered congested packing where after four o'clock or after five o'clock, just drop it. Drop the price right down so you can be able to get all those bikes. and not riding around so they're waiting for the ferry. The other... comment that I have is If you look in the numbers the years before, The best year we had was 2014 into 15. Couldn't beat the weather, all right? January is as nice as June. This year, those numbers aren't the same because people don't take bikes out when it's raining in January. All right, so you're going to see a little fluctuation in the numbers. And as I said, the amount of incidents. And if you really look down there, and thank you to Golden Gate Ferry and Blue and Gold at 4.30, 5 o'clock in the afternoon, where we normally had the lines going all the way up Tracy Way and around, they're not there. Even today, which was a... reasonably steady day. I went by on the way down here. It was nothing, nothing in line. So my compliments, I know we got one more week and then we're into the season. The only other thing that I recommend that Sausalito Plus look at is for more bikepacking in front of B of A. Thank you. |
| 02:10:24.70 | Jill Hoffman | I just want to I'll just reiterate the thanks that my other council members have given. The team that you guys have put together You know, and I love tapping the talent that we have here in Sausalito for free for Sausalito. And, you know, we'd never be able to pay for Tom Riley or Dr. Fotch or Deb Fotch to be able to run this thing. So thank you to you guys for jumping in and running the bike and ped committee and then creating and running Sausalito Plus. You know, I think it's a huge success. Thanks for building on last season's success and carrying us forward. Thanks to Jeff Sears and the ferry companies for coming and being a part of the team. And Jim Swindler, thank you to you for really stepping up the ferry service and being able to cut down on that line. So that's been, I think, incredibly effective this year. So thank you so much. So I look forward to a continued success and further reports that we're getting closer to breaking even. So all right, I think that's it for this item. Thank you very much for coming and moving along to item 6C. on our business items, crosswalk warning lights pilot project. And that's going to be a presentation given by Jonathan Goldman, our public works director. |
| 02:11:46.27 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Madam Mayor. Again, Jonathan Goldman, your... I'm the public works director and city engineer. I will be very brief here. I'm not going to reiterate the staff report, but council wisely appropriated funds and directed staff to implement a pilot program for lighted crosswalks. We took advantage of the local presence of Parisi Transportation Consulting to give us advice on that. And because members of the community and council were interested in the status of that project and the recommendations, we have this item on the agenda this evening. We have the benefit of Kurt Harrington from Parisi Transportation Consulting, who was willing to still be here at this hour. So I'm going to introduce Kurt and turn the presentation over to him. |
| 02:12:49.82 | Kurt Harrington | Thank you, Jonathan. Mayor, vice mayor, council members. My name is Kurt Harrington. Let's see if I can raise this up. Okay, I think that's the best I'll do. Again, I'm Curt Harrington. I'm a transportation engineer at Parisi Transportation Consulting, and I'm briefly going to walk you through our uncontrolled crossing enhancement recommendation. So that's just an overview right there of what I'll walk you all through. And really the objective of this part of the process was to identify an initial location for an unsignalized crossing improvement. So not signalized intersections. Really trying to figure out which unsignalized location makes the most sense for a tool and then defining which tool to implement. So just briefly, here are some sample tools of which could be implemented at an uncontrolled crosswalk. The top left, you can see a yield line. A car has stopped at a yield line there, also known as shark's teeth. Top right is just an in-street marker. Bottom left is actually a rectangular rapid flash beacon, or also known as RFB, more on that later. And a pedestrian island down there on the bottom right. There are also, you know, these are just samples. There's many other options and ideas in street pavement flashers, warning signs, bulb outs, et cetera. They all have a place in traffic engineering, and certain tools work best in certain locations, and you'll see more on that here. But first, our location selection. And this is just a zoomed-in map of most of Bridgeway. I've highlighted some signalized crossings in the filled-in blue circles. Those are locations that are not considered since they're not well, since they are signalized, the hollow circles down there are some locations that are unsignalized. And you can actually see that first circle coming north coming southbound. where the speed limit is going from high from 35 down to 30, 20 is, is Napa. And so, again, the objective here was to identify the initial location for an unsignalized crossing. And so, us at Parisi, we've been in Sausalito for a while, very familiar with Bridgeway Corridor, both as drivers and as pedestrians. And we looked at probably a dozen criteria, and based on all that, it was sort of a no-brainer. Location selection should be Napa at Bridgeway, and that's based on a number of criteria, and I'll walk you through that. As you can see, coming southbound, it's the first uncontrolled crossing coming into town. And there are a number of signalized intersections. And then that curve, that horizontal curve happens, and I'll show you a slide next on that. And then, boom, you're right there at Napa, uncontrolled speed limit. You're coming from a high speed location to a slow, it's sort of a transition coming around that curve. It's really a change in roadway character at this location. You have multiple lanes and it could be sort of a gateway location into your city here at Napa. And you also do have high pedestrian volumes between Caledonia and Dumphy Park. And here's a zoom in. And so going left to right across your screen is Bridgeway. North to south is Napa. And that arrow is pointing to the current uncontrolled crosswalk, Dumpy Park in the top right. |
| 02:16:25.11 | Kurt Harrington | Here are some more reasons why we are selecting this based on our criteria. Again, I reiterate the roadway geometry. You can see that curve wrapping around starting on the left side of the screen to the right coming from a higher speed limit right at Napa coming down to a lower speed limit around that curve. Thank you. And people driving southbound have just completed a merge. It's very, for people either they've driven it or haven't, it can be a stressful merge. I'm sure if people walk around there, you can hear people honking their horn all the time. It's kind of a location where we've observed some people kind of lose track of their mind a little bit approaching that crosswalk, and they'll blow right through. The width of the pedestrian crossing here is also quite long, 65 feet, and there is no median refuge for pedestrians to stop on a multilane approach. So let's just get right into it. This is, again, is the existing conditions. And then here is the recommendation. And this is the staff recommendation. And so what is shown here, again, bridgeway going left to right, Napa, north to top to bottom. We have that baseline of the high visibility crosswalk there. And that's great, but it's not enough for this location. This really needs that enhanced feel to it. So you can actually see the shark's teeth or the yield teeth there, which is part of the proposal, but the real thing that is going to make this happen is the rectangular rapid flash beacon, and you can see a double-sided, well, it's kind of hard to see, but a double-sided RRFB, one facing each direction in the center median, which is a proposed pedestrian refuge island. And then one RRFB on either side of the road. We really believe this is by far and away a no-brainer, the best solution. I'll kind of get a little bit more into this rectangular rapid flashing beacon. Even got the GIF working there. That's great. It's low installation and maintenance costs. It can be solar powered and wireless. We're not tearing up the road. We're not stopping traffic to make this happen. We're never going to stop traffic to do any small maintenance that is needed because it's on the side of the road. It's on a pole. We're not digging anything up. It also has extremely high compliance rates. With the proposed recommendation, we're expecting about 90% compliance rate, which is consistent with FHWA studies. And really, it's by far and away the preferred tool as a current modern day traffic engineer for this style of intersection. So there are a few others, ideas that were tossed around. One was in-street pavement flashers. This is kind of an item that became big maybe 10 or 15 years ago before rectangular rapid flashing beacons. And you might have seen a lot of them about 10 years ago, maybe a little bit less now. And that's partly because jurisdictions are moving away from them due to the higher compliance and yielding rates of RRFBs. There's been studies done with in-street pavement flashers where we see a compliance rate at about 66%. So we see about a percent difference of 30% going up from in-street to RRFB. And actually, the initial cost of these is much higher, about $30,000 to $50,000 just for one. And that's because you have to saw cut the road, insert wires, maintain those wires. Sometimes you have to work with detector hand holes, finding that power connection. And I mentioned some jurisdictions are moving away from these, and a few examples of that is up in San Anselmo. They initially had one of these by Sir Francis Drake High School. They're actually transferring over to RRFB because they were sick of all the maintenance costs and having to redo them. When you have to repave, you have to take them out, put them back in, that sort of thing. Petaluma is also a location where they're switching over to RRFB. We considered some other items. These are some, to be honest, higher costs. Traffic signal, hybrid beacons, grade separated crossings. And signal-wise and hybrid beacon-wise, they don't warrant it here. And they're by far and away too expensive. Same with grade separated crossing. So with that, I'd like to take any questions. And hopefully either I or Jonathan can answer those. Thank you. |
| 02:21:18.77 | Linda Pfeiffer | What do you estimate the cost for that? |
| 02:21:22.84 | Kurt Harrington | So I think Jonathan had an estimate in his staff report. |
| 02:21:28.51 | Unknown | 18,000. Thank you. |
| 02:21:29.39 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, thanks. I didn't print the staff report. My recollection is that we have a firm quote for installation of the rectangular rapid flash beacons part of the project at about $17,000. And our estimate to construct the refuge and do the pavement marking isn't detailed, but it's certainly within the payment marking budget that we anticipate will be approved for next year, relatively minor costs to construct the refuges. |
| 02:22:00.96 | Linda Pfeiffer | It's under 20, right? |
| 02:22:03.41 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. |
| 02:22:04.12 | Linda Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:22:04.25 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay. |
| 02:22:04.76 | Linda Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:22:05.74 | Jill Hoffman | For the whole, for the whole intersection. |
| 02:22:08.45 | Linda Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:22:08.47 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, that's the estimate. It's not per flashing? No, 17,000 is all the lights and signs and buttons. And then the refuge, I'm estimating we can accomplish on the pavement markings for about three more thousand dollars. |
| 02:22:09.89 | Jill Hoffman | It's not per slash? |
| 02:22:12.15 | Peter Van Meter | No. |
| 02:22:24.40 | Linda Pfeiffer | and There was one other intersection that did you look at and that would be Bridgeway and Anchor. |
| 02:22:34.49 | Kurt Harrington | Yeah, we looked at all those uncontrolled crossings and yeah, that was considered that intersection is in a lower speed location. There's a few less conflicting multi lane turn approaches. There are a fair amount of pedestrians, but it is a multi criteria approach in this one kind of blew it out of the water, to be honest. |
| 02:22:54.00 | Linda Pfeiffer | It has his blue. Yeah, no, I agree with the one on Napa. I was also thinking of a second. And it might be possible to get some of the businesses that are downtown I know Copita showed an interest of maybe sharing the cost to get that done. |
| 02:23:12.95 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. Just to kind of follow through on that. Council's appropriation for this project was 4-1, and the recommendation is that we install this, gain some experience with it, either confirm or develop different experience from from what's being advised, and then to the extent that they're warranted in other places, we have a lot better information about what the process and how effective they're going to be. I agree. I think it's a good idea. |
| 02:23:42.30 | Linda Pfeiffer | that person, how effective I think it's time it's come. |
| 02:23:47.76 | Ray Withy | that. So I have a couple questions. So I was the council member who initially requested this, not this, because what I'm seeing looks, to me it looks like a railroad crossing signal. But I had actually requested the embedded lights you know, in the crosswalk. And I talked with the vendor light guard systems. And they pioneered and have one of the key patents for, I guess, what they're calling the inroad warning lights, for the embedded crosswalks. And I also looked at, in other independent sources, studies that were done comparing what we were looking at here being presented, which, which is the, the beacon height, you know, tower. By the way, how, how, how tall is that big yellow flashing? It's a, it's a standards, |
| 02:24:49.81 | Kurt Harrington | It's a standard sign height. |
| 02:24:52.82 | Ray Withy | How, I'm sorry, how tall is that? Seven feet, okay, seven feet with the solar on top. So, it's my understanding that the studies I looked at, I think it's a lot of different things. You have the, with the embedded lights, you have, they're safer because you've got the line of sight for the driver directed at the road, as opposed to the beacons which are flashing on the two sides of the road. Can you comment on that? |
| 02:25:34.21 | Kurt Harrington | Sure. Yeah, I'd love to. So with the inroad, there's actually been a higher incidence of rear end collisions. The sight line, as you mentioned, is all the way across. However, when one vehicle stops in front of it, the one directly behind it isn't necessarily sure why sometimes because that line of sight at the driver eye level or above seven foot isn't visible. so there is a documented yield rate that is 30% higher with this above seven foot isn't visible. So there is a documented yield rate that is 30% higher with this type of installation. |
| 02:26:05.04 | Ray Withy | So I'd like to see that study just because the things that I looked at, and by the way, the vendor I talked to deals in both. They sell both the beacon and the embedded crosswalk. But the studies I looked at were opposite. In fact, they said that especially with tall buses, when tall buses pull up and yield to a pedestrian that the tall bus can block the view of the flashing beacon on the side and in fact people behind don't know you know, what what's going on and so they may not go into the bus but they may go around. And so That hints, you know, whereas if they see the flashing lights on the, you know, across the crosswalk and the road, they stop. |
| 02:26:55.53 | Kurt Harrington | Sure. I think maybe that might be an instance if it were just a single side installation. But the way we're recommending it with the pedestrian refuge island is two facing each location. And for that instance where maybe there's a change of lane, the actuation would activate the other side as well. |
| 02:27:16.19 | Ray Withy | Yeah, no, I understand that both sides. I'm just saying in the flow of driving when someone pulls up, that's just the study that I saw. The other comment I have is that... The embedded lights that go into the ground for the crosswalks, it's my understanding that those are not viewed by the pedestrian. So the pedestrian does not have a false sense of safety. In other words, you know, if I'm a pedestrian, I've got a big beacon flashing, you know, and a big yellow sign. I might think, ah, you know, I've got the the right away and it might be emboldened whereas it's my understanding that that the way that the embedded lights are designed they're designed to encourage the pedestrian to retain that element of caution when they're crossing the crosswalk. |
| 02:28:21.54 | Kurt Harrington | I understand your viewpoint, but I think... |
| 02:28:23.52 | Ray Withy | It's not a view, it's in the studies that I read. |
| 02:28:25.88 | Kurt Harrington | Sure. Okay. So from my experience as a transportation engineer and a traffic engineer in our firm, I found that the pedestrian indicator that the RFB provides, there's actually like a little cutout in the side of the indicator so that the pedestrian knows the signal is working when they use it. And so when actually with the in-road installations, the indications are pointing outwards, like you mentioned, and the pedestrian, there is no pedestrian indicator. So if for instance, like they so often do, if one of them went out or got torn up and the pedestrian pushed the button and the lights weren't flashing, it's somewhat of an unsafe situation in that they'd be walking assuming that the lights were going and they weren't. |
| 02:29:17.15 | Ray Withy | I think from what I've seen, the reliability of the embedded crosswalks are also good as well. |
| 02:29:28.47 | Kurt Harrington | From locations around Marin County, I haven't heard the same, and we've worked with them. Like in San Anselmo, for instance, we've seen that in many cases, since they're wired, they can get impacted by heavy equipment or heavy trucks going over them, for instance. |
| 02:29:46.42 | Ray Withy | What was the vendor, do you recall? Because I know there was one vendor that... I don't have a vendor in mind. Yeah, because there was... I know that evidently there was one vendor at one point that was not... Their product was not up to snuff, but, you know, and they're out of business recently. But this other one is going very strong. It's my understanding Petaluma has 32. They may be adding more and using this taller one for cost considerations, but Sebastopol has 10 to 12 and Windsor has has two so I know that they're they're fairly I mean, I've just heard rave reviews the other comment I have and and the reason I'm I'm I research this is because they're very they look they look nice too I mean they're embedded in the street The safety appears to be higher based on my readings and the cost The the cost is slightly higher based on The the pricing that I received it was like 20,700 roughly for the equipment and installation. So does that sound right to you? In other words, we're not talking about a huge delta increase. |
| 02:29:49.83 | Kurt Harrington | I don't have a vendor in mind. |
| 02:31:00.93 | Kurt Harrington | So what I've seen is about 30,000 to 50,000 for insulation. |
| 02:31:04.79 | Ray Withy | for Tulane. |
| 02:31:06.56 | Kurt Harrington | Well, it's actually not a, at Napa, it isn't a two-lane cross-section. There's turn lanes as well. |
| 02:31:11.56 | Ray Withy | Well, okay, so this was a quote for a simple two-lane crosswalk, and showing the dimensions of what was being proposed here. So I guess if we're looking at something that's a pilot, and the research that I've done with the studies are showing that for not too much more um you know we can get something that is in my from not only in my opinion but what the studies i've seen um are safer for pedestrians i'm just curious as to you know what are the negatives what am i missing here that um |
| 02:31:49.48 | Kurt Harrington | So I'm not sure. I'd have to take a look at the references you're referring to, but some of the most highly cited transportation articles on these comparisons have shown a significant increase in compliance and yield rate with the RFP. |
| 02:32:06.98 | Ray Withy | Okay, so we just need to exchange our research. Thank you. |
| 02:32:11.13 | Jill Hoffman | So let me ask you this. Do you have any information on how it impacts the light and the residents that live? Because right there in that building, I believe there are apartments on the second floor. through those trees and up Napa Street there are residents. And so some of, I mean, that's always a concern of the light pollution around for residents, especially if you've got your bedroom right there on the street and now you have this flashing crosswalk, which I have absolutely agree that we need to do some sort of control there. So are there any studies or do you have any information on? |
| 02:32:48.69 | Kurt Harrington | Not on hand, but I'm sure there's stuff I could dig up and provide to you on light pollution, depending on what vendor you choose to go with. |
| 02:32:54.26 | Jill Hoffman | What? That would be, that's one of the, I mean, that's the issue that I would be looking at is the safety issue versus the nuisance issue for the residents that are living close to that. And if the safety issue. You know, numbers are about the same. then I would be looking more at the embedded ones along the crosswalk. If the safety numbers are significantly higher with the flashing, then I would lean more toward that one. |
| 02:33:22.98 | Jonathon Goldman | Just again to follow up in response, much as we do with streetlights, when there is an adverse impact associated with a safety improvement, we can very easily fabricate shields that would prevent the light rays from going in a direction other than that that's intended to notify motorists of a pedestrian in the crosswalk. |
| 02:33:23.05 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. So. Um, when. |
| 02:33:28.75 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 02:33:49.19 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thanks. Good. Any other questions? No? Public comment on this issue? Yes, yes sir. |
| 02:34:03.41 | Jacques Ullman | Jacques Ullmann, I just want to briefly say that with the North-South Greenway taken into consideration, there will be fairly high-speed bicycle traffic there, and I have no idea whether this system or the other system is most effective for bicycles, but I think that should be brought into the mix because we're going to have a major entrance to Dunphy Park there. It would be much more significant than it is now, so that just needs to be thought about. |
| 02:34:36.27 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment? Yes. |
| 02:34:36.29 | Jacques Ullman | Thank you. |
| 02:34:47.27 | Lauren and Newlin | Lauren and Newlin, I didn't expect to stay so long, but this was very interesting. And I am so glad that the city is looking into this. My only concern about the pilot area is, and I fully understand the speed change, the merging and all that, But I know from driving through town, I rarely see pedestrians there. And where I see pedestrians is downtown in that bridgeway corridor. I almost got hit by a bicycle. I know Bethelago severely got injured, and it's at that El Portal area. So what my questions would be with the study, and I know this is just the pilot, and it probably will be in other areas— |
| 02:35:30.93 | Adam Driver | And it was. |
| 02:35:33.41 | Lauren and Newlin | is where are the most accidents that we have had with pedestrians and there are so many pedestrians in that area and there's so many distractions around there. People looking up and this makes sense to me I don't know that all these flashing big lights in the downtown area are going to I do know at the airport now that when I go through the airport and I see those flashing lights, it does make me see. I see that flashing light and I know those pedestrians are going back and forth to the airport. |
| 02:36:04.36 | Ray Withy | You're timed by the flashlight on the bottom on the road? Yeah, on the road. What I'm talking about. |
| 02:36:06.40 | Lauren and Newlin | On the road? Yeah, on the road. What I'm talking about. And they're at the airport. And I said I'm there enough times that it, |
| 02:36:09.18 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:36:13.49 | Lauren and Newlin | there's not always a stoplight and it does help do that but my main concern is where in town are we having the most accidents and I would almost want to see the pilot where there are far more pedestrians at all times. Thanks. |
| 02:36:26.87 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. Any other public comment on this issue? Nope, see none. Okay, back up to here for discussion. |
| 02:36:33.87 | Ray Withy | you So I would just jump in and say I concur. I mean, I've been asking for this for, you know, several years. And I've always been consistent with the embedded lights. And my, if we were going to do a pilot, I would also concur that it needs to be downtown. And downtown aesthetically, we don't want, I mean, even if you thought that, even if you thought that, that this was yielded more safety. And like I said, the research I've looked at does not suggest that. This is not aesthetically appropriate for downtown. Petaluma didn't think it was, Sebastopol didn't think it was, and Windsor didn't think it was. This looks like a railroad crossing. Sorry, folks. And I'm all for safety, and that's why I'm going towards what is called the in-road warning lights the IRWL and I really look at the cost. It's not demonstrably more And if this is indeed a pilot I would encourage us looking downtown And I mean we just heard tonight 32,000 bikes in the month of May. Those bikes park and they become pedestrians. And what are they doing? They're crossing the street. I have seen so many near accidents, women with baby strollers, tourists looking up and wandering into the street. I think my vote would be to do the pilot with the IRWL, the in-road warning lights, to, you know, ask city staff to maybe, you know, investigate that a little bit with the light guard systems I talked to. They've implemented throughout Sonoma County with real successful results. And I can share some of the studies I looked at, the pedestrian crosswalk safety evaluating in pavement flashing warning lights by the Lighting Research Center at the Renesuler Polytechnic Institute. And I looked at a lot of other studies too. Everything that I saw and I read said the IRW was safer. It was just safer. And it looks nice. in. |
| 02:38:57.04 | Jill Hoffman | Any other comments? |
| 02:38:57.97 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:38:58.03 | Jill Hoffman | Go ahead. |
| 02:38:58.44 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:38:58.44 | Linda Pfeiffer | Well, let's take a look. First of all, downtown. I would like to see the records, but I think you'll find out it's very small in the amount of accidents that happen. And one of the reasons is because people are driving so slow. |
| 02:38:58.47 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 02:38:58.64 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:39:11.18 | Linda Pfeiffer | This is not a slow-moving intersection. And if you really look at that intersection, it's a very unique intersection because when you're coming out of Caledonia Street, You have the right to go right onto Bridgeway and scare the ever-loving heck who doesn't know how that routine is. And the majority of the people that cross that street are crossing from the Dumfrey Street side. All right? You always see it's easy, whether it's a bus or anything else, when the buses are going northbound, it's very easy for them to stop there. It's very tricky coming down Bridgeway, and then you pull in because you now are cutting in and found out you want to go downtown, and you're still moving at 25, 30 miles an hour. You better see something not embedded in the pavement, but really flashing that lets you know that there's a pedestrian there. And also, if you look, there's a little median in there that allows you to come in there and take a left. onto Caledonia Street. So this isn't a five, 10 mile an hour like downtown. This is moving. |
| 02:40:24.60 | Tom Theodores | I agree with Councilmember Weiner and our experts, I think, who are experts in the traffic space. I think it's the right place to pick it because, again, speed is a factor. That's a very dangerous intersection. I see people cross it. I cross it. If you have to go to Dunphy Park, you have to cross there. And it's a dangerous place because people are turning, and it's a higher speed. It's the change from the fast to the slow, I think. So I think it's absolutely the right place. I also think that this type of, the RRWF or whatever we're calling it, is the right thing. Certainly there. If we move to downtown, we might want to look at the others. But I know the first time I ever saw one, I thought that was the right way to go because a lot of these ones in the ground, you can't see. They either don't work or they I don't know if they're dirty and it is much harder to see. So I think it's really important that you're able to see it. We look at people that they're you know, we hired people that their jobs are what are the most effective way. I think I would love to see these studies. Councilmember Pfeiffer, I ask that you forward them, but I suspect that they may not be as current because this is the newer technology. And we want to. make the safest, we want to pick the safest alternative the other thing about the downtown versus there is if you recall we were concerned about this corridor from Napa down to Johnson because it's absolutely dark at night whereas downtown isn't and that's another reason why that's a critical one also as people come in they start seeing lights once they're they're on notice so I I I think it's the right place and I actually think it's the right technology based on our experts and in my own personal experience so I would support the motion |
| 02:42:12.28 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. Thank you. No? Nothing really to add. We've got a traffic transportation expert here. I think we should listen to him. |
| 02:42:14.04 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 02:42:23.35 | Jill Hoffman | Um, you know, I, uh, I agree. I, with the placement, um, my experience has been, that's a difficult place to cross and that's the entry to Dumpy Park. That's a natural place, I think, to put it. Um. So, but I, you know, I sure am sensitive to Council Member Pfeiffer's concerns about the aesthetic value of it. Or, you know, just these, I mean, it's not very pretty. I mean, but that's the point, right? People see it. Safety. |
| 02:42:52.02 | Tom Riley | safety. |
| 02:42:52.68 | Jill Hoffman | But yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean it is a safety. And so I think with regard, you know, we'll see, we'll see how the residents around there feel about it. I like it. It's a pilot project. What, so Jonathan, what's the, what's the ability for us to, can we sell a used sign if we decide we don't want it? I mean, what, how do we get rid of this if we don't want it? |
| 02:42:52.72 | Tom Riley | But yeah. |
| 02:43:14.57 | Linda Pfeiffer | If you ever had to, you'd move it to a different direction. Yeah. But it'll work there. One of the advantages. |
| 02:43:16.66 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 02:43:18.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:18.75 | Jonathon Goldman | One of the advantages to a rectangular rapid flash beacon system that is solar-powered and wirelessly activated is that it can be taken down and either installed somewhere else or could be surplused and made available to another community if there were something unforeseen that happened that caused us to not want it there again. |
| 02:43:34.82 | John Rohrabacher | Thank you. |
| 02:43:34.87 | Jill Hoffman | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:43:35.10 | John Rohrabacher | to be. |
| 02:43:39.58 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so we've got three schools in town. They might want one of those too. So, okay. I think though, as we move further, you know, into town that the embedded ones in the road may be a better option because it does get kind of, |
| 02:43:43.63 | Adam Driver | Okay. |
| 02:43:55.76 | Jill Hoffman | congested all the way around downtown with things on the road and signs and stuff so i think i i would like if if um you know if council member pfeiffer council woman pfeiffer is willing and and the pre-see experts willing if you could exchange information about the other systems And we could get that information for the next phase if we add some more. And I hope that we will add some more of these pedestrian crossing systems further into downtown. |
| 02:44:30.73 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:44:30.74 | Jill Hoffman | . |
| 02:44:30.77 | Ray Withy | Yeah, so I would like to make a motion just for the record to show that I I wanted you know something |
| 02:44:31.06 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 02:44:38.52 | Ray Withy | Something but I I wanted a different solution. I'd like to move That we install an in-road warning lights embedded Safety cross light crosswalk system at the Napa Street intersection |
| 02:44:58.32 | Ray Withy | You don't have to second. Okay, no second. It's okay, I just want to be on the record. You may make a motion to see if they get a second. |
| 02:45:00.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:45:00.41 | Jill Hoffman | of |
| 02:45:00.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:45:00.58 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:45:00.73 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:45:00.91 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, I just want to be on the record. Sure. Yes. No, there was no second. That's okay. |
| 02:45:05.37 | Ray Withy | One second. |
| 02:45:07.24 | Tom Theodores | Okay, and I, I, Thank you. We'll adopt the recommended motion, which is direct staff to install rectangular rapid flash warning signals at the Bridgeway crosswalk at Napa Street is recommended, including pedestrian refuge. |
| 02:45:22.57 | Jill Hoffman | May I make an amendment to that motion? And that we amend for the systems going forward, that we also consider an evaluation of the embedded systems for future systems? |
| 02:45:23.85 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 02:45:34.87 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:45:34.88 | Tom Theodores | Yeah, we can, yeah. I mean, consider. |
| 02:45:34.92 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Yeah, I mean, consider. Yeah, sure. Yeah, okay. All right. Anybody want to second my amended motion? |
| 02:45:42.73 | Linda Pfeiffer | I'll second it. |
| 02:45:43.86 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. All in favor? |
| 02:45:45.09 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. |
| 02:45:45.16 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 02:45:45.28 | Linda Pfeiffer | Bye. |
| 02:45:45.87 | Ray Withy | No. I just think these are so ugly. And I don't think they're safe. |
| 02:45:45.90 | Linda Pfeiffer | Thank you. |
| 02:45:45.92 | Jill Hoffman | No. you |
| 02:45:46.83 | Linda Pfeiffer | you |
| 02:45:46.92 | Jill Hoffman | I just think these are so ugly. there. Okay, thank you. Moving on to our next rocketing through our agenda. We are now up to item 6d to authorize the city manager to initiate contract negotiations with Royston, Hanamoto, Alley, and Abbey for construction document development for Dumpy Park renovation project and with sda group for design development for the Southview Park Renovation project and Jonathan you are up again as our public works director and Melanie Purcell is our administrative services director for this presentation |
| 02:46:29.12 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Madam Mayor. We actually have item D, Andy. They're a little bit different, and we have prospective consultants here on the MLK item. If it pleases the council, I'm happy to talk about the Dunphy Park and Southview Park items because they're very straightforward, not that the MLK item isn't, but I'll look to you for direction on what order you'd like to take them in. |
| 02:46:52.19 | Adam Driver | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:47:03.27 | Jill Hoffman | Are you thinking maybe we'll do E because we have consultants here or? Thank you. |
| 02:47:08.29 | Jonathon Goldman | That was the suggestion. I have no idea. |
| 02:47:08.30 | Jill Hoffman | That was... I have no objection to that. Anybody else? No, okay, that's fine. What? |
| 02:47:19.52 | Melanie Purcell | Okay, that item, it is to negotiate and execute a contract with ABM, Energy and Building Solutions, for the full scope of repairs and renovations that are contained in the comprehensive facility. comprehensive facility condition assessment done by Faithful and Good last year and funded by the COP for not to exceed $3 million. The proposal itself is actually for them to do the design work as well as construction management and conduct the repairs for those items that are eligible under state law. Anything else will be anything that would not be eligible to be bundled would be handled through state accepted procurement practices So we would not anything that has to be bid out separately would be bid out separately the law provides for energy related items to be bundled in this Manner and since the majority of the repairs are energy eligible We will also be looking for grants and additional opportunities to expand, though we would come back to the council for any amendments related to those items. |
| 02:48:32.05 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. Is there anything else? Is that the sum of your presentation? That's it. Okay, any questions from Council? |
| 02:48:37.96 | Melanie Purcell | That's it. |
| 02:48:41.81 | Jill Hoffman | Questions from Council on this? THIS Oh, good. |
| 02:48:50.51 | Ray Withy | So the process, can you provide an overview on the process for this? |
| 02:48:57.89 | Melanie Purcell | The RFP was put out at the end of April. It was presented to Finance Committee per the ordinance. It was sent out. We received three proposals back, two traditional construction management proposals, and then the proposal from ABM. We interviewed ABM because we wanted to ensure that the scope was what we wanted, and we felt most comfortable with this proposal, recommending to Council. |
| 02:49:24.87 | Ray Withy | So I'm sorry, I meant the process moving forward. So if we approve this, then... |
| 02:49:32.58 | Melanie Purcell | The process moving forward will be to finalize the contract because it is a not to exceed and it is tied specifically to the condition assessment. It's pretty straightforward in that context. We would have to iron out. their billing practices and everything else, and the details of that, and we're asking that that be deferred to the city attorney and city manager for him to execute, then we would begin specific design drawings in the next few weeks and then begin timing out, scheduling out the actual construction work. |
| 02:50:03.68 | Ray Withy | I guess my, I'm wondering why this wouldn't go to the Planning Commission for review, I mean, once the designs were. |
| 02:50:14.89 | Melanie Purcell | It's all self-contained within the MLK campus. It doesn't require planning commission review. |
| 02:50:21.37 | Jill Hoffman | And these are repairs and renovations? Yes, ma'am. Oh, I'm sorry, I was looking at the wrong page. |
| 02:50:25.13 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 02:50:25.15 | Ray Withy | Oh, yeah. |
| 02:50:27.40 | Jill Hoffman | Huh? And so, and also because this is part of the COP month, Sorry, because this is part of the COP money, this is also part of the COP oversight committee? Thank you. |
| 02:50:37.35 | Melanie Purcell | Yes, the COP Oversight Committee has received a copy of the RFP itself. So they were kept up to date with that. They will also then see the final contract and all invoices. Great, thanks. |
| 02:50:37.49 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Yeah. I'm ready. |
| 02:50:42.60 | Jill Hoffman | So, they're going to be |
| 02:50:42.90 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:50:42.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:50:46.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:50:46.77 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:50:51.41 | Herb Weiner | Yes. Now is the final contract coming back here for approval? |
| 02:50:57.30 | Melanie Purcell | No, sir. |
| 02:50:58.04 | Herb Weiner | Okay. So normally we would... proceed to negotiate contract then bring it back for approval. You're asking us to look at this now because of why. Well, two reasons. |
| 02:51:13.19 | Melanie Purcell | Well, two reasons. Number one, we want to get this done right away and get it done. The proposal itself, because it is tied to a very specific set of actions with a not-to-exceed amount, means that there's really not as much... area that needs to be negotiated. You either get it done or we don't have a contract. |
| 02:51:36.67 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thanks. Any other council questions? Moving on to public comment, I have a card for Jacques Ullman. Were you this one or did you want to do? Sorry, we flipped. OK. Never mind. Anybody, is there any public comment for this item? And this is the MLK repairs and renovations. No one approaching? Okay. Council, back to us for council discussion. Anybody have a comment? |
| 02:52:04.44 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I have one quick question for city staff I forgot to ask. Okay. Sorry about that. |
| 02:52:05.35 | Jill Hoffman | I've been. I have. |
| 02:52:09.64 | Jill Hoffman | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:52:09.98 | Unknown | I had about that. |
| 02:52:11.43 | Ray Withy | So when we were initially looking at these documents prior to the COP, and I was looking at some of the things that were listed on that spreadsheet, some of the line items fell actually under the tenant's lease for repair. And I just want to, and I was told at the time, yes, that was the case, but staff was going to go back and and review that and ensure that you know the repairs moving forward want to and and I was told at the time yes that was the case but staff was going to go back and and review that and ensure that you know the repairs moving forward would would not include those items and it's totaled like over 200 K worth of you know repair items so I guess I just want to confirm that that has been done and that this RFP here does not include those items that were listed on that spreadsheet that were actually, according to the tenant's lease, something that they were responsible for. |
| 02:52:50.51 | Adam Driver | you |
| 02:53:08.21 | Melanie Purcell | All items that are responsible for the tenant to do are left to the tenant. We also have had a detailed conversation with the COP Oversight Committee. about those caveats and ensuring that they're looking for them as well as for staff to ensure that they're not conducted on city dollars, let alone COP. |
| 02:53:27.26 | Ray Withy | Okay, because I recall that the spreadsheet that was used, so did the oversight committee get that spreadsheet that we were given? Oh yes, they got that initially. Okay, because in that spreadsheet, it actually said, you know, tenant, some of them said, you know, tenants responsibility, and yet it was included in the 3 million total. |
| 02:53:33.10 | Melanie Purcell | They got that initially. |
| 02:53:38.23 | Melanie Purcell | you know. |
| 02:53:46.99 | Melanie Purcell | I believe the total was almost 3.2 million, so the COPs are only three. |
| 02:53:51.90 | Ray Withy | Okay, well. |
| 02:53:52.70 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 02:53:52.73 | Ray Withy | you |
| 02:53:52.92 | Melanie Purcell | So that's where- |
| 02:53:53.93 | Ray Withy | And then there were other items that didn't say tenant responsibility but were... |
| 02:53:58.26 | Melanie Purcell | Everyone will be evaluated to ensure it's not included. |
| 02:54:00.19 | Ray Withy | Okay, thank you. |
| 02:54:00.98 | Melanie Purcell | THANK YOU. |
| 02:54:01.25 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:54:01.32 | Melanie Purcell | Sure. |
| 02:54:01.62 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:54:01.71 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Any council discussion? What do you need from us? Do you need a resolution? |
| 02:54:06.25 | Herb Weiner | What do you need from us? Do you need a resolution? So I move to authorize the city manager to negotiate and execute a contract with ABM building and energy solutions for construction document development management and construction for the Martin Luther King Junior Campus Repair and Renovation Project, not to exceed $3 million. |
| 02:54:25.40 | Jill Hoffman | All in favor? |
| 02:54:26.16 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 02:54:26.18 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:54:26.19 | Herb Weiner | Bye. |
| 02:54:26.29 | Jill Hoffman | I All right, rocketing along back to item 6D. |
| 02:54:33.03 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Madam Mayor. My apologies to the folks in the audience who were here for this item that I didn't take into account earlier. So let me just say. Yes. |
| 02:54:37.28 | Jill Hoffman | We're going to be right back. I didn't take into account earlier. So let me just say, now we're doing the negotiations with Royston, Hanamoto, Alley, and Abbey for construction document development for Dunphy Park renovation project. And with SWA group for design development for the Southview Park renovation project. |
| 02:54:45.94 | Jonathon Goldman | Six. |
| 02:54:46.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:54:58.15 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, thank you. Again, Jonathan Goldman. In terms of process, and I think this is laid out to some extent in the staff report, with the issuance of the certificates of participation, the need for these professional services for both Dunphy Park and Southview Park was identified. Request for proposals was issued, and proposals were received from two firms and both firms proposed for both parks. The proposals were reviewed and based on the |
| 02:54:58.56 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay, awesome. |
| 02:55:33.46 | Jonathon Goldman | the proposals and the consensus among the reviewers. The recommendation to city council is that the city manager be authorized to initiate contract negotiations with Royston Hanamoto, which is a Mill Valley-based landscape architecture design firm for the Dunphy Park construction documents and related processes, and with the SWA group, which is a Sausalito, at least business office, located entity. The reason, the distinction, for your benefit, you're probably already aware of this, but for the benefit of people at home, the reason that we aren't advocating the same way that staff did for MLK is that the level of effort that both consultants estimated for the work necessary to deliver those projects was not consistent with the funds available. And so rather than get into awarding a contract and giving the city manager authority to execute it tonight, what we want to do is get your direction to initiate contract negotiations with those firms so that we're all on the same page with respect to delivering those projects with the funding that is available from certificates of participation and to the extent that there is any additional funding staff and the consultants recommend that we're able to bring that issue back to city council before a commitment to do anything like that is made. |
| 02:57:14.76 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. I have a question about Southview. in that we haven't really seen any coordination with the community or, so what's the idea about where we are in the process for Southview? |
| 02:57:30.55 | Jonathon Goldman | The, precisely as you've described, what we have for Southview is a lot of information about the structural issues and drainage issues associated with the park itself. But what we don't have is input from the neighborhood or the community at large about what the community's priorities for that park are. If we had simply made the structural improvements, we would have rendered the basketball court that's there and the tennis courts there even less usable than they are. And so rather than expend those funds with the benefit of the funding available from certificates of participation, the RFP and the proposal from SWA group takes those issues into account, and a significant portion of the early effort associated with that project would be working with the neighborhood and the community at large to figure out what |
| 02:57:39.88 | Adam Driver | right now. |
| 02:58:32.47 | Jonathon Goldman | what that project should look like with the constraint that the funding isn't unlimited. |
| 02:58:39.55 | Adam Politzer | And madam may I just add because it's really important when the city was looking has we've been looking at Southview Park for a long time since I was back in park and park and recreation and the whole time a city manager. There is no expectation at this moment and there was no. |
| 02:58:47.13 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:58:57.39 | Adam Politzer | no assumption from the city that the programs at that park would change so the tennis courts remain tennis courts the playground would remain playground the basketball court would remain basketball court and the garden area would remain garden area so from all the discussions that we've had from the Park and Rec Commission for the last you know 16 years That's been the assumption. When is the city going to fix this park? Not redesign and create something new. So if. |
| 02:59:24.20 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:59:27.67 | Adam Politzer | once we initiate that process, if the groundswell is that we want to initiate something new. then we're gonna come back to council with a very different discussion. But with the assumption that the framework of that park is going to remain The same. but it will have to come into compliance which is going to be the big challenge and the big cost. One will be ADA and the other obviously are the retaining walls that we've known. going to be a substantial cost so that's the direction we want to make sure is clear to the community to the council that we're moving with the assumption that the footprint of that park and the programs of those parks would continue |
| 03:00:03.19 | Jill Hoffman | But the playground equipment would be? |
| 03:00:05.67 | Adam Politzer | They would all need to come into compliance. |
| 03:00:06.34 | Jill Hoffman | I'm not. Science. |
| 03:00:08.55 | Herb Weiner | If I may. Sure. To follow up from that, obviously, we're going to need to go through a process, which is, I think, where the questions are heading. We're going to need to go through a process with the community, including, presumably, the Planning Commission on this. Let's make sure that we and that everybody knows that the process ahead. There's a whole bunch of community involvement needed. |
| 03:00:30.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:30.49 | Adam Politzer | . |
| 03:00:38.24 | Adam Politzer | Right, and that's partly why the costs for Southview Park are significant because we've had the great pleasure of having Jacques and Paul and the friends of Dunphy park leading that effort And as Mike Langford shared with you several meetings back, saving us minimum $100,000 if not quite a bit more. So as we go through this next phase for Southview Park, you know, although we aren't changing the footprint or the program, There still needs to be community outreach, community meetings. designs and off to the planning commission for their consideration. first step to the council because of the owner of the property and then to the planning commission for their consideration and design review |
| 03:01:22.82 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I have just a couple questions. So Southview Park, I seem to recall we upgraded the playground equipment at Southview Park not a few years ago. Oh, okay, no, maybe I'm confusing. Like 25 years ago, I think. Oh, okay, I'm sorry, I'm confusing it. Cloud View, maybe that went. |
| 03:01:37.87 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:01:37.91 | Jill Hoffman | I'm confusing. Like 25 years ago, I think. |
| 03:01:40.44 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 03:01:44.84 | Ray Withy | Harrison, okay, just Harrison. Okay, sorry. Okay, so my question was the resolution of the Dunphy Park parking lot in Galilee. Has that been clarified before going? |
| 03:02:01.02 | Adam Politzer | going yeah I don't know if it's been clarified I think the direction from council was to hire |
| 03:02:03.24 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:02:07.39 | Adam Politzer | the design professional to confirm the assumptions that Jacques and Paul made in their conceptual design and then to continue to work with Galley Harbor on the shared parking approach. And that's that's the direction we're headed. I had a meeting with our city attorney, Mary Wagner, and representatives of Galley Harbor, and they were represented by Riley Heard, and they wrote a letter in support of us moving forward with Royston. And so. you know, one step forward. Until the design professional team is engaged, Working with the stakeholders, which is part of the RFP request and part of the proposal So work with the stakeholders to confirm the recommendation that the Friends of Dunphy Park through Paul Stephanie Welland, Jacques Coleman made to the council. We'll bring that back to the council for council's approval. and then move on to the Planning Commission. The arrangement between Galley Harbor and the Cruising Club and the use of that parking. Those are things that we will work out with the stakeholders and bring a recommendation to the council for the council's consideration. |
| 03:03:26.72 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Adam. So we're going to be doing major upgrades to Southview Park in the playground and the wall I know needs a lot of work. What will the process for outreach look like? Will there be one meeting, two meetings? Will there be a mailing? You know, what does that look like? |
| 03:03:50.95 | Jonathon Goldman | I think the short answer to that is that it depends on the contract negotiations. Obviously, the community is going to tell us whether there's been enough, and our job is to make sure that we aren't wasting the resources that we have, the funds that we have, in any way that we can. So again, rather than ask the city council to authorize a fixed budget at this point in time our judgment was that it's important we appreciate the fact that two local firms with experience and interest in serving this community went to the trouble to submit proposals, took the time to analyze the issues based on from their perspectives, but recognizing that there are important questions, and I think, frankly, that's one of them, that need to be negotiated as part of the contract. We don't want to just spend money there. What we want to do is sit down with them, have some serious conversations so that we're developing a sequence of events that allows us to remain flexible but allows us to bring those projects in under budget. |
| 03:05:13.82 | Adam Politzer | I think it's safe to say just to add to that that the Park and Rec Commission and Mike Langford as a director As we've done with Mary Ann Sears Park or with Robin Sweeney Park and a little bit with Casino Park recently, we'll have public meetings. We'll have meetings at the park itself. What Jonathan's talking about is when do we engage the designer? and the costs associated with the designer You know, so there may be initial meetings that Mike and the Park and Rec Commission host at the park together. A community input. Mike's done a good job of that in the past. And then at a logical point in the process, bring the designer in. to say here's what we've heard. These are some conceptual images similar to what Jacques and Paul did. for their meetings where they gathered some of the information. This showed some images of what they reflecting back from the community so I think you know we'll obviously do the meet in the park and get the public's input and then hold some formal public meetings with a designer and the public and then come to the council with with a here's where we are status and then get more direction from the council. And I think it's Jonathan saying at that point, we'll hear from the public that there wasn't enough or that you have enough, you know, move forward, you know, and that's what we hope to hear from the community. |
| 03:06:38.36 | Ray Withy | Thank you, Adam. The reason I ask is I know that in the past, it seems like we have included some degree of expectation to be included in that design process with respect to public output. Like there will be two workshops, and there will be a mailing, or something like this. So anyway, it sounds like you're on it, and you'll come back with a proposal and what that's going to look like. I just wanted to make sure that was on the radar screen. That's important. |
| 03:07:08.10 | Jill Hoffman | That's important. Okay, any other questions from Council? |
| 03:07:12.82 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:07:12.84 | Jill Hoffman | All right, public comment. I have one card from Jacques Allman. |
| 03:07:24.35 | Jacques Ullman | Jacques Ullman, friends of Dumpy Park. I would like to just say that I did get a phone call from someone a long time ago who lives near the park you were just talking about on North Street. And he expressed a desire to do a little bit what Paul and I did. And I told him that he should be keeping in touch with the process and et cetera. So I'll try to dig into my emails. Maybe Mike will find that person. I think you may be able to get a group from that community to help out. But I'm talking about Dunphy Park and I want to say that we look forward to working with RHAA. We're happy with that choice. And we do want to emphasize, I think, what the city manager was implying, is that we have essentially an approved design for the project. And what we're talking about now is the design, development, and construction documents. And we were a little bit concerned when we looked at the RFPs that they were included in those, an implication that they might be going back into this process that we've already done of the community outreach and all this stuff and all these issues coming up again. And, of course, we're incredibly concerned, as I know you are, that we stick to our budget and that we not use our budget money to redo what we've already done. So it does need to be made very clear. Maybe when we talk to R-H-A-A, I'm old-fashioned, you know, Royce and Hanamoto had different names. I worked in architectural offices where we used them as consultants and so on, but now it's a whole different group of people. So we want to continue to offer our services to reduce the impact of the consultant fees, and there are certain areas, I think, in the relations with Galilee and the parking issue, for instance, I think maybe, you know, we the city should somehow rather get that together before we get the consultants involved and not pay their time to work all this out. And also, when it comes to the water-based things, such as the habitat and shoreline rehab and the small boat activities, which are really not part of the construction contract that we're looking toward, but still are part of the plan that needs to be further developed, that we could have input in that and try to reduce the consultants' fees, although we were happy to see that they have a staff member who actually specializes in habitat issues, so that's a good thing, but we don't want to be paying them the heavy fees, you know, try to do something there. and I also want to caution with the north-south greenway issue that there's quite a bit of dialogue that has to take place on the Napa Street-Ridgeway intersection and all that stuff. I think that's something that we should try to work out the city in-house and not spend a lot of the consultants' time with all of that. In fact, we also have to be very careful that any construction that involves the North-South Greenway shouldn't really be coming out of the Dunphy Park budget. I mean, that's money. I don't know where the money is going to come from the North-South Greenway, but certainly they shouldn't be expecting us in our Dunphy Park improvement to be constructing that strip of the North-South Greenway. We've shown it in the plan as been requested and we will not do anything that would interfere. But if there's any construction of that, that's a whole different issue. We have to be really careful. Otherwise, we're going to get into the mess we've gotten into with our budget on other parks. |
| 03:07:24.75 | Jill Hoffman | I'm in front of you. |
| 03:08:36.86 | Adam Driver | Yeah. |
| 03:11:34.15 | Jacques Ullman | So, yeah, I think that really covers my points. Thank you. |
| 03:11:37.61 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you, Jacques. Okay. Any other public comment on this issue? None. Back up to City Council then for council discussion. Do we have any discussion on this? |
| 03:11:48.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:11:51.33 | Linda Pfeiffer | Mm-hmm. Thank you. Southview Park is a totally different. totally different than Dunphy Park. Dunphy Park, you're just redoing everything, changing a lot of places, you're along the water. There's a 40 year resident across the street, on 4th Street from the tennis court. And I'm over there every morning with my dog, it's seven in the morning. And I talk to a lot of the neighbors in the general area. They really feel that there's nothing wrong with what is there. |
| 03:11:58.91 | Adam Driver | Yeah. |
| 03:12:25.74 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:12:26.12 | Linda Pfeiffer | Thank you. It's just the idea that It can't be used because of The hillside is basically coming down. Don't forget, as you know, 3rd Street and 4th Street are very steep streets. |
| 03:12:34.99 | Unknown | Don't forget. |
| 03:12:39.37 | Linda Pfeiffer | So I think you'll find out that the general consensus is tennis court is fine to be redone. Basketball court, the playground, the what you call the green area, it's just mainly that retaining wall on that hill. So that's my comment. |
| 03:12:45.75 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:12:57.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:13:01.28 | Jill Hoffman | anybody I have a comment about Southview I agree with councilmember Weiner I we I spent a lot of time there when my son was a toddler the playground equipment definitely needs to be redone but the I you know I think the general outline of that park is really great so I hope that it it remains shock you brought up some really great points about dumpy it would be great I think maybe if you would send those over to the COP committee for their consideration as they go forward and evaluating the contracts and and what's going on because I think you brought up some really great points that they would be interested in and those are really my comments |
| 03:13:44.09 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I would echo that the Southview, the current configuration with the playground, the basketball court, the tennis court, and then the little green area makes sense to me. Just involving the neighbors and the community as we put the finishing touches on that design. And then with regards to dumphy park uh i i i think it's great the comments that were made here about um the best way to the considerations moving forward i agree the thing about the north south greenway is we just want to make sure that we you know structure this in a way that it can happen you know not that we it necessarily I guess happens now I would like to see it happen now but that we don't do anything to impinge its ability and the other thing is the Galilee parking issue I think that I see that more is just more than just the negotiation between the city and Galilee I think that the public needs to understand you know the number of parking spaces we're going to have the size you know how things what the choices are and the options are the original design versus what Galilee wants. I know they wanted to change the entrance. I see that as a broader discussion for transparency, not just between Gallilee and the city. That's my personal opinion. Thank you. |
| 03:15:19.18 | Herb Weiner | Just as a point of clarification, Dunphy still has to go to the Planning Commission where all those issues will be discussed, I think. Yeah. Is that right, Adam? |
| 03:15:20.33 | Ray Withy | the point. |
| 03:15:26.99 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 03:15:27.19 | Adam Politzer | THE FAMILY IS That's correct. Yeah. |
| 03:15:30.00 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. |
| 03:15:30.01 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:15:31.24 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Did somebody want to make a motion? |
| 03:15:33.32 | Herb Weiner | Yeah, I'm happy to. So I move to authorize the city manager to initiate contract negotiations with Royston, Hanamoto, Ali and Abby for construction documentation development for the Earl F. Dunphy Park renovation project. And also to authorize the city manager to initiate contract negotiations |
| 03:15:50.41 | Adam Driver | Hey. |
| 03:15:58.70 | Herb Weiner | Um, with the SWA group for design development for the Southview Park Renovation Project. Second. |
| 03:16:06.67 | Jill Hoffman | All in favor? Aye. |
| 03:16:07.64 | Herb Weiner | I. |
| 03:16:08.98 | Jill Hoffman | Motion carries. Moving rocketing down to our last item. I hope you haven't forgotten. That's the add item from the new 6F, which was the prior consent item, which was 4H. So our new 6F item is to adopt a resolution of the City Council of the City of Sausalito approving the sixth amendment to the lease of premise buying between the city of Sausalito and the lease a false a and do we say |
| 03:16:48.50 | Linda Pfeiffer | . |
| 03:16:52.31 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, Mary. Yes. |
| 03:16:54.03 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yeah. |
| 03:16:54.37 | Unknown | Introducing the song. Thank you. |
| 03:16:57.04 | Linda Pfeiffer | Bonjour. |
| 03:16:57.76 | Unknown | Yes? |
| 03:17:01.96 | Jill Hoffman | Amen. Ah, et voilà. That's it for my French. And I got nothing. |
| 03:17:08.44 | Mary Wagner | And I got nothing. Thank you, Madam Mayor, members of the City Council. You're welcome. The item that you've removed from your consent calendar is the consideration of amendment to the lease agreement with the Licee Francais to add the garden space, which is immediately adjacent to their existing playground. This garden space was initially occupied by the Marin School, which is the school space that the Lyssae Francais took over the new village school previously occupied that space in a sense relocated up toward an outdoor space that's across from their facility the size remains the, the use remains the same. That's as an outdoor playground and kind of educational component for the school during school hours and for their after school activities. The rent will remain the same. We get the same amount that we did from the New Village School. And we're happy to answer any questions that you may have. |
| 03:17:12.73 | Jill Hoffman | You're welcome. |
| 03:18:13.53 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Questions from council on this item? |
| 03:18:17.90 | Ray Withy | So I'm really concerned about this item because this was precipitated by a prior OMIT committee decision apparently that I was not privy to that. |
| 03:18:19.30 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:18:33.06 | Tom Theodores | that can we have question I mean we have questions and we have comments. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, absolutely questions. Sure, sure. Keep it sure now if we I need you my I didn't know absolutely right was coming your absence |
| 03:18:36.28 | Ray Withy | Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, absolutely. If there were questions, I'd just like to keep it. Sure, sure, no. I mean, I didn't hear it. You're absolutely right. The question was coming. You're absolutely right. We should be asking questions. So quick question, Mary. Thank you, Tom. |
| 03:18:53.59 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you, Tom. |
| 03:18:56.36 | Ray Withy | The new village school has written a letter saying that they, quote, strongly object to the space becoming an extension of the Lize French School's formal playground or their de facto play area. And I guess my question is what kind of enforcement would there be? I mean, I have other concerns about letting this happen, but what kind of enforcement would there be to ensure that this was a garden and it seems like there's a fine line between a garden versus a play area? |
| 03:19:35.19 | Mary Wagner | Thank you, Councilmember Pfeiffer. There's actually a term that's included in the amendment regarding the use of that. playground in somewhat direct response to the concerns of the New Village School. They worked with Leslie Johnson, the property manager at MLK, voiced their concerns to her. She included a provision in the Sixth Amendment to the LeSai lease that specifically provides that it's for an outdoor classroom garden space that's not to be utilized as an extension of their playground. And we'd have the same enforcement rights as we do any other provision under the lease. If they're in default, we would notify them of the default and request that they cure it. |
| 03:20:20.04 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I have a follow-up question. If, as you know, I was very unhappy about, I mean, initially this garden area was being used by the new village school. And then unbeknownst to me, it was approved for the new village school to move that garden to a grassy knoll area that was, you know, outside the footprint of their current building area. And so one of the things I want to do is bring this back for open session discussion because we have the, as council, not that this council would do it, we have the right to relocate that garden back to where it was, which is this spot where now the French school wants to lease. If we were to lease, if we were to go forward with the French school lease of this garden area, how would we then be able to move the new village school garden on the Knoll back to where it was I mean could we |
| 03:21:34.09 | Ray Withy | We'd have to break the lease that we had just approved tonight, correct? With the French school? Yes. Okay. Thanks. |
| 03:21:38.80 | Mary Wagner | with the French... |
| 03:21:44.03 | Tom Theodores | And for clarification, is The space, the exact space we're talking about had been used as a garden for school kids by New Village. They're moved, and the proposal is to use the exact space for a garden for Le Se. Is that correct? I just want to make sure that we're on the right. |
| 03:22:07.00 | Mary Wagner | Yes, and it was actually originally used by the Marin School, and then became sort of a shared use between the Marin School and the New Village School. The New Village School has actually complained about having their outdoor garden space right next door to the playground and was not happy with the impacts on its existing use at that site and wanted to move to a site that was closer to their existing classroom space so you are correct that the space that's currently being consideration considered or leased by the lycée francais is the same space that was previously utilized by the new village school and the Marin school |
| 03:22:07.40 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. I'll inspect. |
| 03:22:46.21 | Tom Theodores | And the proposed rent is the same as New Village was paying. |
| 03:22:49.34 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:22:49.35 | Mary Wagner | Correct. |
| 03:22:49.62 | Adam Politzer | Okay. Madam Mayor, can I just go back to Councilmember 5, first question to the City Attorney. I think it's also important to note that we actually, if we chose that we didn't think that this space on the grassy knoll for New Village School was the appropriate place, say we get nuisance complaints, Um, or the city has other plans wouldn't actually want to move them back to that location It's not adjacent to their school. We have complaints from New Village School that it's next to the playground, which causes problems for their use. So we would actually, based on the direction we've received earlier from council, would come back. with a relocation. proposal to the Council on another location on campus if in fact we could accommodate it. And so I wanna be clear that just because we put the Lise into the space, That was created back in 2002 or 2003. It's in the Stafford Board. by Marin school, actually wouldn't be recommending that we move them back to that location we would bring back new proposal that is that's of course if there was a new use that the city was requesting for that exact same space and location |
| 03:23:58.41 | Ray Withy | Location but Adam as a follow-up question to that aren't we legally bound By our lease with the new village school to find them a like-sized location for their garden If we move it from what used to be a grassy knoll with nothing there Which is now, you know taken over completely by this huge garden the new village school Wouldn't we legally be bound to find another like sized area? |
| 03:24:28.54 | Adam Politzer | Just to clarify because there was some adjectives in that question It's exact same size that exists now is being moved up to the grassy north |
| 03:24:33.22 | Ray Withy | I've got more adjectives. It's the exact same. Which takes over the entire knoll. |
| 03:24:40.46 | Adam Politzer | exact same size that exists now is being moved up to the grassy knoll and we're happy to make sure that there's photos posted to make sure that everyone is crystal clear on on the area And its appearance. but we are not required send them back to that location we're required to relocate them Assuming that we can find a place to relocate them relocation it's a very large campus with plenty of areas for that area of square footage that we're talking about, again, which is relatively small. And again, they would be required to make sure that it adheres to all of the laws, including ADA, and all of the other building code requirements. So if they couldn't afford to do it, they may opt out not to move. But at this moment, there is no competing use or proposals for that space, and that's why staff made the recommendation. |
| 03:25:31.50 | Ray Withy | So Adam, did you, I'm not sure if I heard the answer. I mean, my, my question was, are we legally required to provide them a like sized space for a garden? If we move them from the garden that was approved by city staff and never, certainly not known to me as a council member. |
| 03:25:53.80 | Mary Wagner | Council member Pfeiffer, if I may, the relocation clause in the lease requires that if the city initiates a relocation of a tenant, that they be provided with the same comparable space. the city can always negotiate with a tenant to utilize other space, just as an amendment to their lease, and then it would be a more, it'd be a different discussion than a relocation discussion. The relocation clause requires that the city, when the city exercises the option to relocate a tenant to comparable space, the space has to be comparable or made comparable by the city. |
| 03:26:37.20 | Jill Hoffman | Was the move in this case, though, was it initiated by the city or was it initiated by the new village? |
| 03:26:44.10 | Mary Wagner | I think it was the process of an ongoing discussion between the New Village School and the city and ultimately ended up being a relocation of the garden to address kind of quiet enjoyment and use issues that New Village School was having to put them in a more suitable location for their current use. |
| 03:26:44.66 | Jill Hoffman | to the people. |
| 03:27:03.54 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, and then I have a follow-up question. I have a letter that we were all given from the New Village School, and they ask that they receive some information about the intent of the lycée for the vacated space and that it will continue to be used as a garden. We can certainly provide that in the next few weeks. |
| 03:27:31.22 | Mary Wagner | And I think it's crystal clear in the amendment that that is the intended use for that space. |
| 03:27:31.23 | Jill Hoffman | Absolutely. |
| 03:27:35.99 | Jill Hoffman | Great. That would be great, I think, if we could give them that assurance. Okay, any other questions? Thank you. |
| 03:27:40.73 | Ray Withy | Yeah, so just to get a straight yes or no, |
| 03:27:40.77 | Jill Hoffman | See ya. JUST |
| 03:27:43.52 | Ray Withy | It's yes, right? I mean, we are legally obligated to find them a like-sized location for a garden if we move them. I just want to clarify, just as a point of clarification for the audience, is that what I was upset about is that you've got this very large grassy knoll area at MLK, which was divorced by a large parking lot from the footprint of the school that basically has been completely repurposed you know there could have been a swimming pool put there there could have been anything put there and we've got a garden that's popped up and it popped out with popped up there without a public hearing and I just want to understand that you know if we now fill up the space they used to use with the lease a lease you know give the French school what they used to use that then we are basically in a corner in terms of what we do with this garden if we wanted to move it because we must legally find a similar sized garden correct yes or no |
| 03:28:53.21 | Mary Wagner | If the city exercises the relocation clause, the city is obligated to find them comparable space is not obligated to put them back in the space that they were in. |
| 03:29:00.94 | Ray Withy | I know not in the same space, but we are obligated to find them a similar space, correct? Yes? |
| 03:29:07.77 | Mary Wagner | If the city exercises the relocation clause, the city is required to find them comparable space. Yes. |
| 03:29:12.11 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Bye. |
| 03:29:13.09 | Mary Wagner | That's the answer. Thank you. |
| 03:29:14.32 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:29:14.47 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:29:14.84 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:29:14.90 | Mary Wagner | Okay. |
| 03:29:14.98 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And so any other questions on this? |
| 03:29:21.55 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yeah, well, just a question for information. Let's say, Spent $800. $1,000 on that playground. What complaints have we had? from the public. on that part. |
| 03:29:40.31 | Adam Politzer | Other than the initial opening, we have not received any complaints. Bye. Leslie? Leslie? |
| 03:29:47.97 | Ray Withy | I receive complaints. |
| 03:29:49.76 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:29:49.86 | Linda Pfeiffer | Well, he figured you were |
| 03:29:50.89 | Ray Withy | No, I have the resident emails. |
| 03:29:50.98 | Jill Hoffman | And then, |
| 03:29:51.02 | Linda Pfeiffer | Bye. Thank you. |
| 03:29:52.66 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:29:52.70 | Linda Pfeiffer | Yeah, okay. |
| 03:29:53.61 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, would you like to hear them? All right, well, let's focus here on what we're hearing. We're talking about the lease for the French School. Did we want to have |
| 03:29:53.86 | Ray Withy | Would you like to hear them? |
| 03:30:06.97 | Jill Hoffman | Do we want to have a motion on that? Oh, public comment, sorry. Public comment? See no one. See no one approach. Okay. No, sorry. I'm skipping some things. It's council discussion. |
| 03:30:23.10 | Ray Withy | Okay, so I just, I will say, because I pulled this. My concern here is we've got MLK, a site that was purchased by taxpayer money, and we basically have places at MLK which are used or not used for different purposes, and this grassy knoll was an area it was completely open nothing there the parking lot could have been expanded for additional parking spaces there could have been a swimming pool and other structure put there it was divorced between from use it with a wide parking lot from the buildings and the structures of the school Suddenly now there are tall poles and a big garden there which is which is great for the school but the problem is that there was no public hearing on it. It never came before the council. There was no public comment. I mean we could have had you know standing room only shouting the praises of yes let's do this but it it needed to happen. It should not have been an administrative decision with two council members at OMIT committee, which apparently didn't even happen. I've asked city staff to get back to me with the notes because I want to know when that showed up on our consent calendar. I want to know what the minutes were. I want to know who approved that. I mean, the fact that two council members |
| 03:30:24.45 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. this |
| 03:31:54.08 | Ray Withy | could do that, and I don't know if they did. That's why I wanna see these minutes. The other comment I have is, when I was in the meeting on this, this relocation clause, one of the questions I had, well, does that mean if one of these schools had wanted to relocate to the track field, could they have done that? And the answer was yes, with staff approval, and evidently these two council members, I guess, in OMIT, You know, that to me... Going forward, you know, that's just unacceptable. We have got to have transparency on what the uses are at MLK, and the public needs to be involved in that. You know, it shouldn't be something that happens, you know, behind closed doors. That's why I am voting no on this French lease, French school lease, because I know that, frankly, I would like to have this agendized, the new garden location even after the fact. I would like to have people weigh in. And because once we give the French school the lease to come in and fill in the spot that the new village school used to have, we've lost any ability, really, to legally move the new village school back. So, you know, I just feel like, you know, land use decisions made without the public eye, especially when it involves public space, is something of great concern to me. |
| 03:33:28.10 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, anybody else? |
| 03:33:30.45 | Tom Theodores | Yeah, I will. I'll just weigh in. I mean, even though we've talked about everything else but almost, I mean, this is really just about whether we take a garden that had been used by New Village and Rinskul before, the exact same space for the exact same rate, and make it a garden. We didn't agendize the other parts. We probably went beyond what we were supposed to in that discussion, but that's fine. But as the city manager has said, New Village doesn't want to be there i think let's say doesn't want them there so even if we were to open up this other thing it's not agendized now we we wouldn't move them back there if you take what's before us uh there is really no nothing to object to this is uh has been used as a garden for years uh it's appropriate for for let's say to do it um and i would just say that this is has been used as a garden for years uh it's appropriate for for lesaide to do it um and i would just say that this is a pretty simple matter that we we approve it |
| 03:34:24.59 | Jill Hoffman | where you're talking. No. Um. I have, you know, I'm not unsympathetic to the comments that Councilmember Pfeiffer said about MLK. It's a... special interests property that the city owns many of the residents have very Definite ideas about the uses there and are very sensitive to any changes. So I would ask that if you know, we we have any further leases or discussions or proposals for anything outside the current outline of the buildings that are there and the outline of the properties that are there that come up at least as some sort of an item before the city council and we have some kind of transparency on that. I do think that's important. With regard to this motion, I think it's a garden that's been used as a garden and it's okay to keep using it as a garden. Anyway, anybody want to make a motion? |
| 03:35:31.53 | Ray Withy | I move to postpone the vote on the French school lease until we hold a public hearing on the, the, the, the, the the new garden area granted to the new village school without a public hearing that occurred without a public hearing |
| 03:36:06.83 | Ray Withy | I just wanted to get on the record. You're hearing no second for that motion. You're going to be, I know there won't be a second. |
| 03:36:07.73 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:36:07.83 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:36:07.84 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:36:07.86 | Tom Theodores | you. |
| 03:36:07.94 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:36:08.03 | Tom Theodores | You can make no second of that motion. I know there won't be a second. Yeah. |
| 03:36:11.73 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry. |
| 03:36:11.81 | Tom Theodores | I'm not. |
| 03:36:12.00 | Ray Withy | Okay. |
| 03:36:12.05 | Tom Theodores | I can't make a motion. I think there's no second. Yes, you may. Okay, so I move that we adopt a resolution and City Council approving the Sixth Amendment to the lease of premises by in between the city of Susslietta, let's say, France, a for the for the garden specified in the proposed six men. |
| 03:36:14.66 | Ray Withy | Yes, you may. |
| 03:36:32.75 | Linda Pfeiffer | Second. |
| 03:36:34.35 | Jill Hoffman | All in favor? Aye. Opposed? No. Thank you. Motion carries. Okay. So moving on, we're on the homestretch. Item seven on our agenda, city manager reports, councilman reports, city council appointments, and other city council business. So city manager. |
| 03:36:35.57 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:36:35.69 | Linda Pfeiffer | Bye. |
| 03:36:36.06 | Tom Theodores | Bye. |
| 03:36:36.11 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 03:36:36.18 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:36:36.19 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:36:39.74 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:36:57.42 | Adam Politzer | Three very quick ones, Madam Mayor. I think that you saw this out in the last two current publications, the past two Fridays, but Danny and the working group that we put together on the short-term rentals are hosting a public forum this Saturday from 3 to 5 at the Bay Model. that's June 18th there they'll be holding a second date I don't have that date in front of me but I'm sure it's in the current the location right now is tentative for the Bay model it's just really based on the the number of people that we have that we have both dates reserved for the Bay model but if for some reason there's not a lot of interest, then we may look to a different location. But you please pass that information on. I think you received an email from Danny earlier today, or you will tomorrow. I know that he sent out an initial email to all of you announcing the date. |
| 03:36:58.62 | Jill Hoffman | . |
| 03:38:00.32 | Adam Politzer | the dates and time. But please pass that on to your to your friends and family and loved ones It's actually going to be very good. presentation the we have at least three different cities that are coming potentially for the city of Tiburon the city of Petaluma the city of Thank you. Oh, Pacific Grove. Linda, where was your sister on the council down in Monterey area? |
| 03:38:37.46 | Ray Withy | I have friends in the council down there, but she was very active in the community. She was a museum executive director. |
| 03:38:39.94 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 03:38:44.23 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. I want to say Pacific Grove, but we have three I'm to community development directors and a city manager coming to sit on the panel to talk about the three different experiences to run experiences of banning it and why they're banning it and the um the reasons for banning it, and then their experiences on code enforcement since banning it. The city of Petaluma, which is my understanding, has allowed it, but with regulations. And then the city of Pacific Grove, I may have that city wrong, but it is one of those down there in Monterey County that allow it with no regulations. And then there'll be a resident that speaks about their experience on the positive side of allowing it. And then a resident speaking on the experience of why we should continue to ban it. And then they have a handout that they're asking the public to fill out. on. pros of why we should use it. or allow it with or without regulations or cons why we should continue to ban it and then and obviously we're just asking for a straw poll of if people prefer one over the other after that first one we would think we are hoping to launch a open town hall site on the city's website to put this information to allow the public that didn't participate at the meeting to participate and then hopefully encourage people to come to the second meeting. We're anticipating it being well attended. It's going out in the current. It's gone out to our list of interested Residents on various matters that happened in the city It's been posted on next door And so we again we're trying to get word it word out there for for participation So if your calendar is not booked for Saturday from 3 to 5 we invite you to join us at the Bay model |
| 03:40:43.08 | Ray Withy | That's Saturday, the... |
| 03:40:44.68 | Adam Politzer | Saturday, 618. |
| 03:40:46.85 | Ray Withy | Okay, the 18th, three to five Bay Model. And Adam, who, out of curiosity, who are the residents speaking for and the residents speaking against? |
| 03:40:57.92 | Adam Politzer | I can't, I don't know that. |
| 03:41:00.05 | Ray Withy | How are they selected? Do we know? |
| 03:41:01.72 | Adam Politzer | the the working group and the only person I can tell you on the working group is Kate Kate Storrs she's one of the co-lead of the group and So, but I can ask Danny to send that information out to the council. |
| 03:41:16.77 | Ray Withy | Can you also send me the names of the people in that working group? |
| 03:41:19.34 | Adam Politzer | on that working group? Yep, absolutely, not a problem. Okay, two other quick items. |
| 03:41:24.52 | Ray Withy | Two other quick items. Thank you. Because, I mean, did we? I don't recall ever. I don't recall ever voting on who. No, you can't. |
| 03:41:35.00 | Adam Politzer | No, you gave the authority to the agenda setting committee, which gave the authority to staff. |
| 03:41:38.76 | Ray Withy | Oh, the agenda setting committee staffed it. Okay. Okay. |
| 03:41:41.12 | Jill Hoffman | No, no, no. We didn't stab it. We then delegated it further down to the community development director. Oh, okay. |
| 03:41:44.75 | Ray Withy | that's it. Community Development Director. Community Development Director. |
| 03:41:47.67 | Jill Hoffman | or didn't powerful |
| 03:41:48.62 | Ray Withy | Powerful. All powerful. Okay. All right. Got it. |
| 03:41:49.46 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 03:41:51.91 | Ray Withy | Yeah, yeah, send the names to all of us. |
| 03:41:55.50 | Adam Politzer | Will do. Just the other two quick items here, a reminder, as we are hosting MCC MC. on Wednesday the 22nd, so hopefully everyone has RSVP'd. and we are going to be featuring our police chief and Lieutenant Frost and giving an update on the state of the bay of Richardson Bay. So it should be interesting, it'll be very similar to the presentation that you received from Lieutenant Frost several months ago. But update it with all of the activity that has been taking place. The last item here that's also important kind of ties into this a little bit for different reasons, but we are working, obviously, with the Bridge District in terms of bringing the ferry landing to the city council for their consideration. And we had delayed the April meeting. Was that April 5th I think roughly around the April 5th because there was still a lot of other information that was needed by the city and so we're going to postpone that hearing that was scheduled for right s all for next Tuesday night and replace it with a normal regular council meeting |
| 03:42:58.53 | Adam Driver | That's right. |
| 03:42:58.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:58.80 | Adam Driver | Thank you. |
| 03:43:13.60 | Adam Politzer | It'll be a special council meeting. Not all that normal. It'll be a special council meeting, but it will have regular council items on it. One of the items will be an update on where we are with the ferry landing in the process that the city has been involved in since those joint meetings of the planning commission and HLB members. But we also think that it may be an opportunity for chief Robacher to do a test run of his RBRA presentation. and give that to the council the night before. So I'm working with John to do that, and there will be an opportunity for you folks to get an update. We may get into a little bit more details of how it affects Sausalito and what our position continues to be. Council Member Weiner just recently had a meeting last Thursday night, a RBRA meeting where Sausalito voted no in supporting the proposed budget the boat the budget was approved four to one with Sausalito dissenting so it'll be an opportunity for us to give you an update so we'll share this in the currents that we're going to give an update on the ferry landing the process and where we are and next steps and but also an opportunity to talk about RB array and probably a handful of other items for the agenda for the 21st so we'll have a council meeting on June 21st and we'll also have a council meeting as regularly scheduled on June 28th so that that concludes my report happy to answer any questions of the council |
| 03:44:42.99 | Jill Hoffman | Do we have any questions? Committee reports. |
| 03:44:48.77 | Tom Theodores | Go ahead. Yeah, Senator McGuire called a conference call today, just organized yesterday, of the MCCMC Legislative Committee and all the various representatives very well attended on this governor's buy-right housing proposal. And this is one that the city, signed by the mayor on May 24th, I believe, sent a letter opposing this. And this was, everyone was pretty animated. And Senator McGuire is leading the charge of opposing this. And he's organizing it on this call. I think every city was there, and everybody was vocal, opposing. And of course, this is where the governor's proposing as part of the budget process, which actually makes it a little more dangerous other than the normal legislative process, because it doesn't have to go through all the various processes that the governor would allow affordable housing by right. Now he's trying to sweeten it by giving 400 million dollars but that if you looked how that would be divvied up it wouldn't be very much it actually Lily and Danny were also on this call you all seem to be quite familiar with it so I think we're I don't see there's much as certainly all of Marin and all the cities are are pretty adamantly opposed. We have the League of Cities opposed it. So I think we're, I don't see there's much as certainly all of Marin and all the cities are pretty adamantly opposed. We have the League of Cities opposed it. Senator McGuire, as he says, there's going to be a lot of negotiation about it, but he would like to kill it. So we'd like to see nothing left of this particular bill. We've written our letter. The action item is that there'll be other calls to action, including they'd like to have a send letters to the governor, and to some other committee chairs, we send it to the budget committee chairs, but I would I'd recommend that we do that we send letters, opposing it as as needed, and it will move fast. But I recommend that as they come to staff that we authorize having the mayor send further letters on this. So that's just basically great work. |
| 03:44:49.13 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:44:56.40 | Adam Driver | Yeah. |
| 03:45:18.34 | Adam Driver | and |
| 03:46:50.09 | Ray Withy | Mm-hmm. So. Thank you. I wonder if we should mention in the sauce that occurrence, you know, if residents want to write, you know, opposing it, write in, you know, just kind of get the word out. |
| 03:47:05.89 | Herb Weiner | It's going to need a lot of explanation. |
| 03:47:07.96 | Tom Theodores | The explanation, that's the problem. I mean, I agree, it's good, but we would have to. It's just an awful bill. |
| 03:47:10.63 | Ray Withy | It's just an awful bill. It's just so bad. Okay. And I'm not, yeah. |
| 03:47:16.38 | Tom Theodores | Okay. |
| 03:47:18.15 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:47:18.34 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:47:18.58 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:47:19.01 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:47:19.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:47:19.08 | Tom Theodores | but I'm not sure about that part, but maybe at any rate, but I would what I would recommend is that we we as a council that we we allow with staff and have the mayor sign various letters because it's a moving target, it's going to move fast. |
| 03:47:19.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:47:19.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:47:19.98 | Jill Hoffman | about that part. Thank you. |
| 03:47:20.99 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:47:21.04 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:47:21.09 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:47:21.17 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF |
| 03:47:21.21 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:47:21.24 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:47:21.38 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:47:21.46 | Jill Hoffman | I'm kidding. |
| 03:47:28.26 | Jill Hoffman | very good. |
| 03:47:29.59 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:47:29.80 | Herb Weiner | I think it's a good thing. But I think we're on top of this. We've been on top of this for a while. And this is the most dangerous thing coming out of Sacramento for a long time. |
| 03:47:34.30 | Tom Theodores | we've been. Yeah. |
| 03:47:40.12 | Jill Hoffman | Mm-hmm. No. Okay. All right. So moving on. So finance committee, are we still going to have a finance committee meeting in light of the action that we just took on June 22nd? Yes. |
| 03:47:54.65 | Ray Withy | Yes, because of the Lincoln Butte. |
| 03:47:57.52 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, yes. Okay. Right. You are. Thank you. So, okay. So, our next, with regard to the Finance Committee, our next meeting is June 22nd at 10 a.m. And you're welcome to look at our Finance Committee meeting notes, which are attached, I think, to this, our agenda today. |
| 03:47:57.54 | Ray Withy | Oh, yes. Okay. |
| 03:48:15.21 | Tom Theodores | May I have a request on this subject? Yes. I would like to have at this meeting or maybe at the next meeting, a report on our Blue Ribbon Committee on the movie theater. Oh, great. Since I'm part of it, but I know nothing, and I'd love to be updated on it. |
| 03:48:17.42 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 03:48:26.12 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, great. Yes. Yes. Yes. |
| 03:48:30.21 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. Okay, okay. So maybe next time can we get a report on that? I've been in contact with you. |
| 03:48:32.98 | Adam Driver | Okay. |
| 03:48:33.38 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Can we get a report on that? I've been in contact with them, and I was hoping to have something to report. Yeah, it's late date, and maybe for next time, because we haven't heard about it for a while. No, it's great. Yep, sure. |
| 03:48:36.99 | Tom Theodores | Okay. Yeah, it's a late date and maybe for next time because we haven't heard about it for a while. |
| 03:48:45.18 | Jill Hoffman | Any other good ideas? So. Okay. |
| 03:48:49.46 | Unknown | . |
| 03:48:49.82 | Jill Hoffman | So future agenda items. I'm sorry, oh my gosh, I almost rocketed over the disaster preparedness. Oh, yeah. |
| 03:48:55.96 | Marcia Smith | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:48:56.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:56.03 | Marcia Smith | Sorry. |
| 03:48:56.38 | Adam Driver | We'll be right back. disaster proposal. |
| 03:48:59.05 | Ray Withy | you |
| 03:48:59.08 | Adam Driver | THE FAMILY IS THE FAMILY |
| 03:48:59.32 | Ray Withy | Oh, yeah. |
| 03:49:00.30 | Jill Hoffman | you Okay, so item C, appointments to boards and commissions. Thank goodness I have my council members to keep me on track. Okay, so... we that's uh there's a staff report uh we have four people listed on our On our staff report, Katie Amatruda, Bonnie McGregor, Robert Hitchcock, Tom Perazzo. And so do we need a motion? How do we do? I would. |
| 03:49:32.23 | Tom Theodores | one thing clear point of clarification, I think in love that you want to lead us through this, I think that we I think the recommendation is that we appoint for different terms. |
| 03:49:33.79 | Jill Hoffman | Sure. |
| 03:49:40.95 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. and |
| 03:49:42.81 | Lily | Yeah, the concern was that if you make appointments all four, if you wanted to all at once, the terms would expire all at the same time. So we would recommend that you stagger the terms. The original staggering in the original resolution was two committee members appointed for one-year terms and three committee members appointed for two-year terms. And then following the expiration of their first term, they would all go to two-year terms. |
| 03:50:01.94 | Mary Wagner | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:50:07.83 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 03:50:07.88 | Tom Theodores | I'm sorry. |
| 03:50:07.93 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 03:50:07.97 | Tom Theodores | I'm not sure. |
| 03:50:08.03 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 03:50:08.08 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. |
| 03:50:08.39 | Lily | That's very confusing. |
| 03:50:08.51 | Tom Theodores | It's very confusing. Is it two-year terms on that committee? |
| 03:50:11.68 | Lily | THE FAMILY IS |
| 03:50:11.88 | Tom Theodores | to your terms. |
| 03:50:12.66 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:50:12.67 | Lily | you |
| 03:50:12.69 | Jill Hoffman | But that's three. That makes five and we only have four. So, you know, I'm not a math expert, as we all know, but. Yeah. You just... |
| 03:50:22.50 | Lily | Madam Mayor, just for clarification, you didn't have enough applications to fill your committee at this time. We're still accepting applications, but we wanted to bring this forward to you if you wanted to make appointments just so that you can get the committee up and running. |
| 03:50:25.82 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Okay. |
| 03:50:34.44 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, I agree. I would like to make appointments. Does anybody have an idea about who they want to appoint for one year or two years? |
| 03:50:41.93 | Tom Theodores | Yeah. Thank you. I would recommend, because with his knowledge in the air, that we make Tom Purrazzo a two-year. |
| 03:50:49.48 | Jill Hoffman | I was wondering. |
| 03:50:49.97 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:50:50.12 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:50:50.14 | Tom Theodores | Thank you. Thank you. And then... |
| 03:50:51.18 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 03:50:51.22 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:50:51.23 | Jill Hoffman | And... |
| 03:50:51.40 | Ray Withy | And... |
| 03:50:51.72 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:50:54.71 | Ray Withy | And Bonnie McGregor has been on there a long time. |
| 03:50:58.94 | Jill Hoffman | Mm-hmm. Does she want to? Two years as well for Bonnie, you think? Or Bonnie for one year and? Bonnie for one year. Okay. |
| 03:51:06.83 | Tom Theodores | the other |
| 03:51:07.69 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Oh, Robert, Bob Hitchcock? |
| 03:51:10.83 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 03:51:11.11 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 03:51:11.82 | Jill Hoffman | I say him too, yeah. |
| 03:51:13.10 | Ray Withy | Yeah. And then Katie. |
| 03:51:15.55 | Jill Hoffman | And then Katie. Yep. And then one year for Katie. |
| 03:51:18.17 | Ray Withy | Yeah. OK. What a great group. Oh my gosh. |
| 03:51:23.57 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so we're gonna appoint Bonnie McGregor and Katie Amatruda for one year terms. And when they expire, then what happens? |
| 03:51:36.04 | Lily | happens. |
| 03:51:36.81 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:51:37.13 | Lily | And then |
| 03:51:37.71 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:51:37.74 | Lily | They'll be up for a second year term if the council reappoints them for a two year term. |
| 03:51:42.64 | Jill Hoffman | for a two year term, okay. And then with regard to Tom Perazzo and Bob Hitchcock, they're appointed for two year terms, same thing. They could be reappointed for two more years. Okay, great. Do I need to say that any clearer than that? Okay. Is there an agreement? Okay, all agreed. Great, excellent work. Okay, future agenda items. |
| 03:51:56.20 | Adam Driver | Okay. |
| 03:51:57.97 | Herb Weiner | I'll agree. you |
| 03:52:03.37 | Herb Weiner | Madam Mayor, if I may. I think in light of the public comment we got tonight, but I think more generally it's been a long, long time since we've had the school district here. |
| 03:52:04.66 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 03:52:16.79 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:52:17.09 | Herb Weiner | Thank you. And I think we need to figure out what's going on. So I would strongly recommend we try and get to hear from the school district. And secondly, actually it was also brought up tonight in public comment, but this was on my list anyway, which is the Caledonia Street. zoning. I think there's a lot of misinformation about this. And so I think having an agenda item where we can talk about the fact that You know, our current rules don't allow us to, without a CUP, to put businesses, to put, you know, non-retail businesses on the first floor. It just doesn't allow it without a CUP. It's got to go in front of the Planning Commission. So if there are businesses there, why are they there? And I want to know about that. |
| 03:53:06.82 | Ray Withy | in the world. I would second that as a future agenda item. Specifically, I think their call was for a moratorium, and I think it warrants that. I attended the meeting. From my understanding, there are two businesses that have kicked out retail that are there illegally. At least that was my understanding. And do not have, I mean, now our community development group is on it you know they're they're pursuing it right now to find out you know how that happened and you know following up but it speaks to kind of what's happening and slipping through the cracks because our city staff is swamped and this is we're losing resident serving businesses so yeah I think that's an urgent urgent agenda item and that we need to look at a moratorium and and and new legislation I know Healdsburg has has legislation that allows for a balanced mix, so you don't have 50 banks or 50 nail polish stores or something. It's a nice balance. |
| 03:54:19.54 | Herb Weiner | It's a nice balance. |
| 03:54:20.60 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:54:20.64 | Herb Weiner | We have all that. |
| 03:54:21.87 | Ray Withy | Well, the meeting that I attended, we did not have that. |
| 03:54:21.88 | Herb Weiner | Let's hear what we've done. |
| 03:54:26.36 | Ray Withy | and in fact Healdsburg that their their ordinance was raised as something that we could potentially look into and adopt So that's I agree. I agree that we need this as an agenda item or an agreement The other the other agenda item I have is Southern Ruin Fire District. I'd like a quick presentation from them And of course the leaf blower ban, which I've raised before Thank you. |
| 03:54:49.83 | Jill Hoffman | THANK YOU. |
| 03:54:50.01 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:54:50.20 | Jill Hoffman | And what about in Butte, right? |
| 03:54:50.47 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:54:52.38 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:54:52.39 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Oh yeah, and of course, I didn't mention Lincoln Butte because I did last time and it's scheduled for the 28th. And Lincoln Butte, very, very exciting. Saving the wildlife in Sausalito, indigenous to Sausalito, including California species of concern and the freshwater spring there. It's very exciting stuff. |
| 03:55:18.15 | Jill Hoffman | Any other future agenda items? Nope. Other reports of significance? Nope. All right. We're adjourned. Very good. 20 minutes behind stage. |