Sausalito City Council

City Council Meeting - September 27, 2016

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Meeting Summary

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CALL TO ORDER IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 420 LITHO STREET – 6:45 PM ▶ 📄
Mayor Jill Hoffman calls the meeting to order at 6:45 PM for a closed session before the regular open session. She clarifies that this is not the start of the 7:00 PM meeting ▶ 📄. Roll call is conducted, with Mayor Hoffman and Councilmembers present, and Vice Mayor Withey noted as absent but expected shortly ▶ 📄. The council proceeds to a closed session to discuss item D1, a conference with legal counsel regarding existing litigation: Sausalito vs. Golden Gate Bridge Transportation District ▶ 📄.
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CALL TO ORDER IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT CITY HALL, 420 LITHO STREET – 7:00 PM ▶ 📄
The meeting was called to order by Mayor Jill Hoffman at 7:00 PM on September 27th. Roll call was conducted by Debbie, confirming attendance of Councilmembers Weiner, Theodores, Pfeiffer, Vice Mayor Withy, and Mayor Hoppen ▶ 📄. Dolores Talley led the Pledge of Allegiance ▶ 📄. Mayor Hoffman announced no closed session announcements and asked for public comment on closed session items, with none received ▶ 📄.
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SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS / MAYOR’S ANNOUNCEMENTS – 7:05 PM ▶ 📄
Mayor Jill Hoffman makes announcements regarding agenda adjustments: Item 1A (introduction of 2016 City of Sausalito Southern Marine Management Academy graduates) is removed and will be rescheduled; minutes for the September 12th meeting are also removed as there are none. The schedule for the evening is rearranged: after consent items, the council will proceed to business items 6A (report from Sausalito Emergency School District) and 6B (request from National Park Service at 8:20 PM), then return to the public hearing on item 5 (appeal for 2 Crescentia Avenue) at 8:45 PM. ▶ 📄
B
Introduction and Swearing in of Officers Honour Knudsen and Edgar Padilla (John Rohrbacher, Chief of Police) ▶ 📄
Police Chief John Rohrbacher introduced two new police officers, Honour Knudsen and Edgar Padilla, highlighting their backgrounds and the competitive nature of hiring law enforcement. ▶ 📄 Honour Knudsen comes from a military family, holds a bachelor's degree in criminology from Sonoma State, and previously volunteered with Marin County Sheriff and worked for San Rafael PD. ▶ 📄 Edgar Padilla grew up in Point Reyes, is married with three children, worked in real estate and drove a cement truck before choosing law enforcement; his brother Francisco is also in the Sausalito Police Department. ▶ 📄 City Clerk Debbie administered the oath of office. ▶ 📄 Badge pinning followed: Honour's parents pinned her badge, and Edgar's two young sons pinned his badge. ▶ 📄, ▶ 📄 Chief Rohrbacher invited the officers to say a few words and noted there would be snacks at the police department afterward. ▶ 📄
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COMMUNICATIONS – 7:30 PM ▶ 📄
Mayor Jill Hoffman introduced the communications item as a time for citizens to speak on matters not on the agenda, noting that council cannot take action on non-agenda items but can refer them to staff or future agendas ▶ 📄. One speaker, Bill Ziegler, addressed the council regarding the Sausalito Marin City School District and a FICMAT report. Ziegler clarified that student population has grown 156% since 2000, with increased needs across both district schools, and disputed the FICMAT report's recommendation to redirect $1.9 million from Willow Creek Academy to Bayside MLK Academy, calling it misleading and prejudiced ▶ 📄. Mayor Hoffman acknowledged the comment overlapped with a later agenda item but allowed it to proceed ▶ 📄. No council discussion or questions followed.
Public Comment 1 1 Against
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CONSENT CALENDAR ▶ 📄
Mayor Jill Hoffman introduced the consent calendar, noting items are routine, non-controversial, and expected to have unanimous support, with no separate discussion unless removed. No public comment or requests to remove items were made ▶ 📄. A motion was made to adopt the consent calendar items 4A through I, seconded, and passed unanimously ▶ 📄.
Motion
Motion to adopt consent calendar items 4A through I, passed unanimously ▶ 📄.
6A
Report and Update from the Sausalito-Marin City School District (Will McCoy, Superintendent of Schools) ▶ 📄
Caroline Van Alst, School Board President, introduced new Superintendent Will McCoy, noting increased enrollment and test scores but an ongoing achievement gap. ▶ 📄 McCoy presented a positive start to the school year, emphasizing a focus on students and collaboration. He addressed the FICMAT report, citing $450,000 in errors and arguing it lacked context, distracting from student needs. ▶ 📄 He highlighted a per-student funding of $16,500 at Bayside MLK vs. $8,000 at Willow Creek, and a 1:6 adult-to-student ratio at Bayside. ▶ 📄 Council questions covered program cuts, teacher layoffs, funding discrepancies, and the district's capacity to respond to FICMAT while focusing on education. McCoy confirmed restoration of arts programs and acknowledged staffing challenges. ▶ 📄 Councilmembers emphasized collaboration, the need for both schools to succeed, and concerns about Bayside MLK's performance and resources.
Public Comment 21 4 In Favor 13 Against 4 Neutral
B
Request from National Park Service for Release of Lots from Wolfback Estates Settlement Agreement upon Transfer to the Federal Government (Danny Castro, Community Development Director) ▶ 📄
The meeting transitioned to Item B, but a break was called before any presentation or discussion could occur. ▶ 📄
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Request from National Park Service for Release of Lots from Wolfback Estates Settlement Agreement upon Transfer to the Federal Government ▶ 📄
Mary Wagner, Community Development Director, presented the request. The National Park Service seeks release of lots 7-10 from the Wolfback Estates Settlement Agreement upon transfer to the federal government for conservation and Mission Blue Butterfly habitat protection, consistent with GGNRA's 2015 General Management Plan ▶ 📄. The settlement agreement originally contemplated these western lots being purchased by GGNRA; if not sold within four years, they could be developed privately subject to agreement conditions and city ordinances ▶ 📄. The federal government requires release from restrictions as it will not accept property with encumbrances ▶ 📄. Staff recommends approval. Council discussion included: clarification that release is conditional upon federal acquisition ▶ 📄; questions about preventing future resale and development—Wagner explained federal transfer processes and that city zoning would apply if later sold privately ▶ 📄; and a suggestion to rezone the lots to open space, with direction to staff to discuss this with NPS ▶ 📄.
Motion
Motion to approve the request from the National Park Service for release of lots 7 through 10 from the Wolfback Estates Settlement Agreement upon transfer to the federal government and direct staff to discuss with the NPS rezoning these lots for open space ▶ 📄.
Public Comment 1 1 Neutral
A
Appeal of the Planning Commission Decision Denying a Design Review Permit to Demolish an Existing Single-Family Residence and Construct a 3,902 Square-Foot, Two-Level, Single-Family Residence, Re-roof an Existing Detached Two-Car Garage, Construct Two ▶ 📄
The appeal concerns a project at 2 Crescenta Drive to demolish an existing home and construct a new 3,902 sq ft residence. Staff presentation by Danny Castro outlined the Planning Commission's 4-0 denial based on four findings: architecture not complementary to the neighborhood (finding #2), inconsistent scale/looming effect (#3), insufficient landscaping (#6), and privacy impacts on neighbor at 20 Crescenta Drive (#9). The applicant (Michael Heckman, represented by Robert Selma) presented design revisions made after the denial: pulling the master bedroom back 2 feet, adding trees between structures, and relocating window vents to the top with translucent glass ▶ 📄. Council discussion revealed strong support for the Planning Commission's findings. Councilmembers expressed concerns about the project's looming mass over the neighbor, insufficient response to privacy issues, potential harm to a heritage oak tree, and the applicant's strategy of appealing with new designs rather than continuing with the Planning Commission ▶ 📄. Councilmember Pfeiffer moved to deny the appeal, seconded by Councilmember Withey.
Motion
Motion to deny the appeal without prejudice, allowing the applicant to resubmit a new application to the Planning Commission after a waiting period. Motion passed ▶ 📄.
Public Comment 3 3 Against
C
Short Term Rental Task Force/Working Group Appointment Process ▶ 📄
Danny Castro presented on procedures for appointing a short-term rental task force, clarifying that the City Council can modify appointment processes as needed ▶ 📄. Council discussion focused on whether the mayor can unilaterally create a task force, with clarification that council majority is required ▶ 📄. Councilmembers debated the task force's purpose, with some emphasizing enforcement improvements and others cautioning against predetermining an ordinance ▶ 📄. Mayor Hoffman proposed a motion to form a task force with specific composition and timeline ▶ 📄.
Motion
Motion to direct staff to research fines for enforcing short-term rentals on a complaint-driven basis passed ▶ 📄. Motion to create a task force to address short-term rental regulations, with specific membership (one council member, one planning commissioner, one historic landmark board member, Russ Irwin, Kate Storr, and Danny Castro), a 60-day timeline, and a broad mission including enforcement, platform coordination, and program restrictions, passed ▶ 📄.
Public Comment 2 2 In Favor
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City Manager Information for Council - 11:00 PM ▶ 📄
City Manager Adam Politzer reported on the Richardson Bay Regional Agency (RBRA) meeting, where Sausalito's request for flexibility on withdrawal notification was unsupported, but Supervisor Sears motioned for County Counsel to explore allowing Sausalito to withdraw effective January 1, 2017 ▶ 📄. He noted productive meetings among police, sheriff, and Coast Guard on an enhanced enforcement strategy for unoccupied boats, with a budget to be presented to RBRA in November ▶ 📄. Internal promotions were announced: Joshua Montemayor to Property Manager and Heather Laporte to Business Manager, creating vacancies in Community Development and Administration ▶ 📄. Mayor Jill Hoffman detailed concerns about RBRA's accountability, revealing that only 63 of 406 boats allegedly removed from 2010-2016 were confirmed from Richardson Bay, and only 9 of 17 removed in July-August came from the bay ▶ 📄. She noted the interim executive director withdrew, leaving RBRA without leadership ▶ 📄. Councilmembers expressed shock, with one calling it lying ▶ 📄. Politzer requested holding further comments until the police chief's comprehensive report at a future meeting ▶ 📄.
B
Councilmember Committee Reports ▶ 📄
Councilmember Jill Hoffman concluded her committee report and introduced a future agenda item regarding a task force related to the Community Development Department. She mentioned that the task force idea arose from community feedback, and a survey was sent out in August to gather input from applicants and residents about permit review and application processes. Danny will present the survey responses and discuss the task force's scope and membership at the next meeting. ▶ 📄
C
Appointments to Boards and Commissions ▶ 📄
The discussion focused on the formation of a task force to review community development processes. An unknown speaker emphasized the need to include multiple departments in the review, not just Community Development, to understand the full flow of permits and processes ▶ 📄. Jill Hoffman agreed, noting the task force would consist of community experts and encouraged councilmembers to suggest potential members via email ▶ 📄.
D
Future Agenda Items ▶ 📄
Councilmember Kurt Weinheimer requests two future agenda items. First, an item on the Plan Bay Area 2, 2040 draft preferred scenario, noting the public input deadline is October 14, 2016. He explains the draft includes regional growth forecasts of 1.3 million additional jobs and 2.4 million people, and that past job projections for Sausalito have driven up housing projections, impacting housing allocations. He suggests scheduling this soon for council input before the deadline. He also mentions that previous housing number allocations were lower due to Sausalito's proximity to Marin City as a priority development area, a factor he claims he was not informed about, and expects numbers to be higher this time ▶ 📄. Second, he requests an item on the Southern Gateway Corridor Program, describing it as controversial and involving widening and adding crosswalks in Hurricane Gulch, which he says people know little about ▶ 📄.
E
Other reports of significance ▶ 📄
Mayor Jill Hoffman announces the adjournment of the city council meeting and informs about the next regularly scheduled meeting, which will be held on Thursday, October 13th, to accommodate the Yom Kippur holiday, instead of the usual Tuesday. ▶ 📄
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ADJOURNMENT- 11:20 PM ▶ 📄
The meeting was adjourned at 11:20 PM, as indicated by the agenda item title. The transcript shows a brief statement at ▶ 📄, likely from the chair or clerk, thanking the press, which is a common closing remark before adjournment. There is no discussion among councilmembers recorded in the provided transcript.

Meeting Transcript

Time Speaker Text
00:00:03.10 Jill Hoffman For those of you in the room, we're going to do a closed session, a 15-minute closed session before our open session, so don't be confused. This is not the beginning of the 7 o'clock meeting.
00:00:14.22 Jill Hoffman Good evening and welcome to the September 27th regular city council meeting of Sausalito. Debbie would you please call the Council member.
00:00:22.96 Debbie THE CITY.
00:00:23.47 Unknown President.
00:00:24.33 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
00:00:24.35 Debbie Council member Theodorus.
00:00:25.43 Unknown President.
00:00:26.09 Debbie Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here.

Mayor Hoffman present.
00:00:33.55 Jill Hoffman And I'll note that Vice Mayor Withey is absent. We expect him shortly, but we're going to go ahead and move on to closed session. I'm going to...

We're going to discuss item D1 in closed session. D1 is a conference with legal counsel regarding existing litigation regarding Sausalito versus Golden Gate Bridge Transportation District.

We are now closed for closed session.
00:02:29.12 Unknown THE FAMILY.
00:02:35.42 Kurt Weinheimer and the other.
00:02:39.97 Kurt Weinheimer It's a good thing.
00:02:45.56 Jill Hoffman Yeah, we did. Yeah, if you look at the times. Yes, sir.
00:02:50.45 Unknown I'm not. Someone?....
00:03:06.40 Unknown Yeah.
00:03:11.33 Unknown I'm sorry.

Okay. Okay. Got it.
00:03:17.00 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.
00:03:24.98 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.
00:03:37.70 Debbie Yeah, ready?
00:03:51.93 Barbara Sapienza Excuse me.
00:03:56.45 Barbara Sapienza you
00:03:56.50 Jill Hoffman No.

Good evening and welcome to the September 27th, regular Sausalito City Council meeting.

Debbie, would you please call the roll?
00:04:12.29 Debbie Council member Weiner.
00:04:13.31 Unknown Present.
00:04:13.80 Debbie Councilmember Theodores.
00:04:14.84 Unknown Present.
00:04:15.28 Debbie Councilmember Pfeiffer? Here. Here.

Vice Mayor Withy.
00:04:18.49 Unknown here.
00:04:18.93 Debbie Mayor Hoppen.
00:04:18.98 Unknown Thank you.
00:04:19.81 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Thank you.
00:04:20.14 Debbie Present.
00:04:20.70 Jill Hoffman .
00:04:20.97 Debbie Thank you.
00:04:21.04 Jill Hoffman And could we please have Dolores Talley lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance?
00:04:25.42 Unknown Thank you.
00:04:30.65 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.

to the fire.

Be nice.
00:04:37.73 Unknown Thank you.
00:04:37.74 Kurt Weinheimer Okay.
00:04:49.69 Jill Hoffman Thank you. Excellent, well done. Let me make a couple of announcements first.

We have no announcements for closed session. Do we have any public comment on closed session items?

see no one approaching. Do we have a motion for approval of the agenda?
00:05:10.63 Unknown So moved.
00:05:12.30 Jill Hoffman Second second all in favor.
00:05:14.04 Unknown Yeah.
00:05:14.06 Jill Hoffman I
00:05:14.28 Unknown Bye.
00:05:14.51 Unknown Thank you.
00:05:14.65 Unknown Thank you.
00:05:14.99 Jill Hoffman Motion passes. Let me just make some announcements about the agenda tonight. So item 1A, the introduction of the 2016 City of Sausalito Southern Marine Management Academy graduates has been removed from the schedule. It will be rescheduled to a later time.

And item.
00:05:37.75 Jill Hoffman minutes of the city council meeting for September 12th. That item has also been removed. There are no minutes for September 12th meeting. Also, let me also point out with regard to our scheduling this evening and we've moved the timing around just a little bit. So if you'll notice on your agenda, we have item THE CITY.

Business items, item five, which is a public hearing on number two, Crescentia Avenue, that's an appeal. That, if you look at the time on that, that's 8.45. So I just wanted to point that out to anybody that may not have noticed that. That's at 8.45. So we're gonna move, after we go consent, we're gonna move directly to our business item.

which is 6A, that's the report and update from Sausalito Emergency School District. Then we're gonna go on to the item 6B, which is a request from National Park Service, which is at 820. Then we're gonna go back to the public hearing and hear that appeal. So just for those of you that are here or perhaps watching, if you're here for that appeal, to Crescentia, you have a little bit more time. OK, so moving back to our agenda that we've approved, we're moving on to special presentations item 1B, introduction and swearing in of officers Honor Knudsen and Edgar Padilla with our chief, John Robacher.
00:07:39.91 Unknown Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the City Council.

It's another one of those especially exciting nights for the police department, but also I believe for the entire community in the city of Sausalito. Hiring law enforcement officers today, right this moment, is really competitive. And we are so fortunate to have not one but two really outstanding new police officers joining the police department.

Officer honor Knudsen and officer Edgar Padilla, so if they would come up and I'm going to introduce them
00:08:16.73 Unknown Stand right here someplace for the minute.

right here is fine.

We're going to move around for pictures as we go through. So I'd like you to face the council if you would. Thanks. Okay.
00:08:29.57 Unknown I told you it'd be like this, trust me.
00:08:34.62 Unknown So Honor comes from a military family and lived in many places in the United States before settling in Marin County. And so we're happy to have her back home here working with us. And Honor obtained her associate's degree from the College of Marin in liberal arts, but then went on to Sonoma State University where she got her bachelor's degree in criminology and criminal justice. She had a very long interest in serving in law enforcement. She did volunteer work with the Marin County Sheriff's Office and she also worked as a cadet and an officer for San Rafael PD. And so now she's ours. And for that we're very excited. Honor likes to you know, be able to work in such a great community. And in her spare time, which she won't have much of, we're telling her that bad news now, is she enjoys hiking and playing sports, especially basketball. And so that's a brief mention of honor. Our second new officer is Edgar Padilla.

And Edgar grew up out in Point Reyes. He's married with his wife of 10 years and three children. I'll just meet them in a few minutes. And he has three brothers and a sister. Edgar attended the West Marin School and Tomales High School. And he earned a certificate from Empire College in computer support specialist, but then also worked for real estate for four years and then worked as driving a cement batch truck for 15 years.

And so now he's chosen a career in law enforcement. And I'd like to mention that also Edgar's brother, Francisco, who's here, is, so now we have a brother pair in the Sausalito Police Department, and we feel really lucky about that. Edgar likes to go fishing with his brothers on a boat that they have. Again, bad news, Edgar, not much time for that coming up lately. And, but I know he's excited to join the Sausalito Police Department. So our next step is to have our city clerk, Debbie, swear them in.

And so to do that though, we're going to have everybody move around however Debbie wants them to so that people can take pictures.

So I don't want to lose those photo ops. So if the family, if you want to grab pictures of what's going on, just come up and move around a little bit and get pictures.
00:10:52.77 Unknown Stacy, do you want to line them up somewhere?

All right, then come up.

you
00:10:57.46 Kate Storr OK.

You guys are good.
00:11:06.56 Unknown If you'll raise your right hand and repeat after me. I, and state your name.

Do solemnly affirm.

that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
00:11:23.15 Unknown Constantly.

Thanks.
00:11:24.99 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.
00:11:25.51 Unknown And the Constitution of the State of California.
00:11:28.58 Kurt Weinheimer the Constitution of the City of Colorado.
00:11:30.96 Unknown against all enemies,
00:11:32.70 Kurt Weinheimer Yes.
00:11:32.99 Unknown .
00:11:33.34 Unknown FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States
00:11:44.90 Rachel Guterres Thank you.
00:11:45.03 Kurt Weinheimer the Constitution.
00:11:45.96 Rachel Guterres you
00:11:46.03 Kurt Weinheimer United States.
00:11:46.89 Unknown And the constitution of the state of California.
00:11:50.05 Kurt Weinheimer the constitution of the state of power.
00:11:52.17 Unknown that I take this obligation freely.
00:11:54.35 Kurt Weinheimer and take this obligation through.
00:11:56.26 Unknown without any mental reservation.
00:11:58.96 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.

Thank you.
00:12:00.58 Unknown or purpose of evasion.
00:12:02.48 Kurt Weinheimer is that
00:12:03.02 Unknown Thank you.
00:12:03.24 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.
00:12:03.31 Unknown Thank you.
00:12:03.87 Unknown and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties.

about, excuse me, upon which I'm about to enter.
00:12:14.95 Kurt Weinheimer which about
00:12:16.51 Unknown Congratulations.
00:12:31.59 Unknown All right, so now we're going to go to the badge pinning phase. And pinning badges on new officers is generally the privilege of the police chief. However, I think it means more when it's done by somebody they pick, somebody from family. And so that's what we're going to do tonight. And for honor, she has said that she would like her parents to do that. So if you could introduce me to them and then I'm going to give this to them and they can put it on you.
00:12:52.06 Kurt Weinheimer My dad, Fran, did I can get to my mom? Nice. Strong little one.

This is the moment.
00:12:57.01 Unknown Hi, how are you? Hi, nice to meet you. And this is Honestat, but you're gonna pin on her shirt there.
00:12:57.07 Kurt Weinheimer Bye.

Hi.
00:13:00.33 Unknown you know.
00:13:00.65 Unknown Thank you.
00:13:27.11 Unknown Don't laugh, Edgar. You're next.
00:13:47.26 Unknown Ha ha ha ha ha.
00:13:47.48 Kurt Weinheimer I'm not.
00:14:07.31 Unknown Thank you.
00:14:09.10 Unknown Okay.
00:14:18.85 Unknown And next up is Edgar. And Edgar said he would like his two young sons to pin his badge on for him. Come on up, fellas.
00:14:42.73 Unknown Bye.

Thank you.
00:14:59.37 Jerome Hey.
00:15:20.56 Unknown All right, and before you leave, now is an opportunity to say something if you'd like, and then you can go and shake hands with the council.

So here's, go ahead.
00:16:14.07 Unknown Not that we don't want to stay, but we have snacks back at the police department. So we have cake and coffee. We're out.
00:16:24.57 Jill Hoffman .

ALL RIGHT.
00:16:28.97 Kurt Weinheimer Good job.
00:16:31.10 Jill Hoffman Well, that was very exciting.
00:16:33.11 Kurt Weinheimer Yeah.
00:16:36.77 Jill Hoffman Fellas, I don't know about you. Anybody want to take their jackets off? I'm getting hot. Okay. I'm taking mine off. You're welcome to.

Thank you.

.
00:16:51.97 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.

That's right.

Thank you.

THE END OF THE END OF THE
00:16:54.84 Jill Hoffman You don't have to. Just a suggestion. Just a suggestion.

Yeah.

Okay.
00:17:08.28 Jill Hoffman So at this point we're moving on to item two on our agenda, communications.

And while they're filing out, I'll just read the.

I'll just read the public communications note. This is a time for city council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda.

Except in very limited situations, state law precludes the council from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the council may refer matters not on the agenda to city staff or direct that the subject be agendized for a future meeting.

please make sure you have a completed speaker's card. Turn it into the city clerk if you'd like to speak during this time. I have one card from Bill Ziegler.

Bill, is this a matter not on the agenda? Correct. All right.

You may approach the podium, yes. Thank you. You're welcome.
00:17:56.84 Bill Ziegler The President.

Thank you for listening to me.

My name is Bill Ziegler and I'm one of five trustees of the Saucyda Marin City School District.

I'm sure that some of you may have seen my signs around the city, but my visit here tonight is not to pitch my candidacy.

I'm sure you've also seen coverage I will be able to Channel 5 TV about the recent Fiscal Crisis Management Assistance Team, otherwise known as FICMAC.

and their report on our school district.

I would like to clarify a few things about that report.

Over the past decade or so, the student population in our district has more than doubled.

in 2000.

The enrollment was 215.

for the entire district.

This year it stands at over 550.

which is a 156% increase.

Why did that occur?

Today, parents in Marin City and Sausalito are looking at these schools and deciding they like what they see and are making the decision to send their children to our schools.

rather than moving to another town or shipping their kids to Mill Valley or Tiburon.

As a school board member, I am delighted that parents and families are making this choice.

but we must now understand that as our student population is growing, More services and teachers are needed.

However, our revenue has not kept pace with this growth.

I strongly feel that we need to do our best to help all students at both schools across the district.

Both schools are K-8 schools, and both have many high-risk, high-need students.

We have many English language learners.

and a high number of free and reduced category students.

all requiring a higher level of assistance.

In fact, in this school year, Willow Creek Academy has 198 at-risk students.

that is students who are either from low income families or English language learners.

compared to 116 at Bayside MLK in Marin City.

As a board member, I strongly feel that we need to do our best to help all students in our district, not just in Marin City.

We have, as I said, 198 of those students at Willow Creek Academy.

Now, regarding the FICMAT report, one is led to believe that most or all the students They're there, our low income, that there are in the district are low income or English language learners who live in Marin City and go to the traditional school there. That is simply not true.

As I said, a greater number of such students attend Willow Creek Academy.

and have the same need for extra assistance. Excuse me, I'll need about one more minute if I can.

As a trustee, I do not care where our students go to school.

both schools must help need help with their education and I passionately care that kids that need help get the help that they need.

Using the faulty supposition that all kids of need in the district only go to Bayside MLK, the FICMAT report chastises the district and us, the trustees, to strip Willow Creek Academy of up to $1.9 million out of the $2.7 million that we allocate to Willow Creek Academy.

and to redirect this 1.9 million to Bayside MLK Academy in Marin City.

that would obviously be a disaster for Willow Creek Academy.

I am personally astounded that FICMAT, supposedly an independent state agency, but under the direction of our county superintendent would write a report using such misleading data and then reach such an abhorrent conclusion that one group of students in the same district in the same need should be heavily favored over another group of students just because they attend a charter school that the county superintendent clearly disfavors.

My request tonight is that you question neighbors and residents quoting the FICMAT report and its recommendations. I believe that they either don't understand the facts or are willfully agreeing that we the district trustees should strongly favor one group of students over another.

I urge you all to reach out to me, to other board members, and to Will McCoy, our excellent new superintendent, who you will hear from tonight, to get the facts.

to learn more, and to get behind the highly prejudiced FICMAT report. Thank you very much. We'll take your questions if you have any.
00:22:56.37 Jill Hoffman Thank you, no, we have no question. Thank you. Okay, so moving on, that did seem to fall a little bit under a later agenda item. But I use my judgment in thinking that it would take longer to stop you and have you sit down and then come back later, so there we have it.

Okay, moving on to any other...

No other comment for items not on the agenda? No. Okay, moving on to...

Action minutes of previous meetings. We have action minutes. We have minutes of the regular meeting from September 13, 2016. Do we have a motion to approve those minutes? That's it. Go ahead.
00:23:39.23 Unknown So moved. Second.
00:23:40.64 Jill Hoffman All in favor? Aye. Motion passes. Moving on to number four, our consent calendar.
00:23:41.31 Unknown Bye.
00:23:47.69 Jill Hoffman Removal of items from the consent calendar, or removal, Matters listed on the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial, require no discussion, and are expected to have unanimous council support. It may be enacted by the council in one motion.

in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion of consent calendar items. However, before the council votes on a motion to adopt the consent calendar items, council members, city staff, or members of the public may request that specific items be removed from the consent calendar for separate action. In order to request an item be pulled, you must have completed a speaker's card and turned it in to the city clerk. Items will only be removed from the consent calendar by a vote of the council. Items removed from the consent calendar will be discussed later on the agenda when public comment will be heard on any item that was removed from the consent calendar. Do I have any public comment regarding requests to remove items from the consent calendar? I have no speaker cards and I see no one approaching the podium. Therefore, do I have a motion to approve or to remove any items from the consent calendar from the City Council?
00:24:54.58 Unknown THE END OF THE END OF THE I move to adopt the consent calendar, items 4A through I.

Second.
00:25:06.04 Unknown Thank you.
00:25:06.07 Jill Hoffman All in favor? Aye. Motion passes.
00:25:06.61 Unknown Thank you.

Thank you.
00:25:06.82 Unknown I.

Cool.
00:25:08.86 Unknown Thank you.
00:25:08.88 Unknown Thank you.
00:25:09.84 Jill Hoffman you
00:25:10.02 Unknown Thank you.
00:25:10.04 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
00:25:10.22 Unknown Thank you.
00:25:10.85 Jill Hoffman Okay.

So now we're moving on to item six on our agenda. Again, we're going a little bit out of order. So instead of doing item five, which is the public hearing, we're going to hear that item.

after we hear the National Park Service. So right now we're moving on to item 6A, which is a report and update from the Sausalito-Marin City School District and from Will McCoy, but I understand the chair is going to introduce, the chair of the school board is going to introduce Mr. McCoy.
00:25:45.65 Caroline Van Alst Thank you.
00:25:46.03 Jill Hoffman What?
00:25:47.30 Caroline Van Alst Honorable Mayor Hoffman and city council members, I'm Caroline Van Alst, President of the South Slitter Marin City School District Board. And behind me is Will McCoy, our new superintendent. And also in the audience are board members Bill Ziegler, who you just heard spoke, and also Thomas Neumeier, back in the corner over there. Two other board members, Josh Barrow and Ida Green cannot join us tonight.

I want to thank you first for the opportunity to present an update on our district. Coming before you tonight, I'm happy to report that enrollment is up at both schools, Bayside Martin Luther King Jr. Academy and Willow Creek Academy. In fact, enrollment of our public school students is higher now than it's been in decades, perhaps even back to the early 70s.

Test scores are up at both schools, but we still have a lot of work to do to bridge the achievement gap at the schools. To accomplish that goal, we're moving forward with a vision for a vigorous academic plan. Part of that plan is to obtain help from the California Collaborative of Educational Excellence. Also, collaborate initiatives between the two schools, including professional development and other topics, and also new staff at administration who come to us with fresh ideas, plans, and perspectives.

And with that, I'd like to provide a little bit of background on our new superintendent, Will McCoy.

So Will has over 20 years of experience in education. He comes to us from Red Bluff, California. That district has four elementary schools, over 2,000 students, 250 employees, and an annual budget of $22 million.

Will also has an additional 10 years of experience as a site administrator, as a principal, and other positions. He also has valuable experience as a chief business officer and a teacher in grades kindergarten all the way through high school.

He was also county chair of the Special Education Local Planning Agency in his former district. He also was on the Governor's Committee for Expanding Student Success.

He's a member of the National Superintendent's Roundtable. And also in February, he was recognized by the White House as a champion for change for his work related to equity. So we are very, very, very lucky to have Will with us in our district and look forward to many years of success when partnering with him. So Will?
00:28:21.65 Will McCoy Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. Audience, thank you. Many familiar faces. It's good to see all of you. I have the honor of being the new guy to the district.

you And with that, I would, some of you that were at the board meeting the other night, these will seem familiar.

Thank you.

But that being said, I'm sure that we have some new information for you.
00:28:54.58 Will McCoy Okay, on the screen here, it's really stretched. So if I can go into teacher mode and step away from the podium, that would be great.
00:29:01.46 Jill Hoffman The only problem is that we do broadcast and we do have a Oprah like microphone if you're.
00:29:03.32 Will McCoy Okay.
00:29:07.69 Will McCoy an Oprah-like microphone. You get a microphone and you get a microphone.
00:29:10.27 Jill Hoffman of it.

That's now a verb, I think.
00:29:12.67 Will McCoy All right, there we go.

So I'll just step away briefly.

We have had a strong start to the school year. I am incredibly pleased to be a part of the Sausalito Marin City team. And there's a lot of work ahead of us. I think that's undeniable. I think that the comments tonight related to academic performance are well justified. And the kids at Bayside MLK and any child that's underperforming in the district needs our adamant attention.

We have a dedicated team to quash some rumors that you may have heard. We do have art, music, drama, and additional PE staffing this year. We have counselors and therapists on staff.

And we have resources and professionals that are all aligning to help. CCEE, the California Collaborative for Educational Excellence, headed by Dr. Carl Cohn, has come to offer his assistance. His team with Suji Shen are coming in, and I'm meeting with him next week, in order to begin the deep, deep professional planning to assist the teachers in attaining higher levels of instructional practice and thus better outcomes for students. I've conducted dozens of classroom visits so far, met with dozens of parents, and it is an absolute honor to be welcomed into the community.

The challenges before us are many.

And so we're facing it as a new team.

We have a new principal, Dr. Chappelle Griffin, a new assistant principal, Beth Minor. We have new teachers, of course, that new superintendent that was referenced a minute ago. And the fact, the biggest challenge is that education has been a challenge for our students for decades. And there's a need for a new paradigm.

We have an achievement gap.

That's undeniable and the data ferrets that out. What we need are some new approaches.

Before I get to that, I'd like to talk just briefly about our response to the FICMAT report. The FICMAT report was released on August 10th, and the Marin County Office of Ed held a meeting on August 31st. Many of you are aware of that. And the technical edits were due on September 14th. On that day, September 13th, I met with FICMAT for about five hours, with Tarina Mayer, some other members of Marin County Office of Ed, and our team, and we sat together and we did uncover a couple of errors that are of note because they are substantial in size. The first being that we uncovered a $350,000 error in one of their calculations.

Significant, absolutely. Does it change the achievement gap? No.

but does it help show that collaborative mutual effort in looking at documents and looking at serious efforts challenges.

It shows collaborative effort works better and gets you a more accurate document. We look forward to collaborative work here forward.

Outcome two, we clarified a $100,000 amount that was incorrectly noted within the report. So $450,000 out of the 1.9 that you guys have heard about were clarified and or corrected.

What comes out of the FGMAT report is the fact that we believe that our district was misrepresented because the entire report was written out of context. And the facts were presented as such out of context.

For example, On the screen, you can't tell what you have before you. Is it a dress, a piece of fabric, is it a body part? Without the context, the audience is left to try and make sense of the information. And we believe that that's what happened with the FICMAT report. The audience wasn't provided the whole background for what was going on. And so they're left to draw their own conclusions. Some of which have been publicized and we believe to be incorrect. When you put things into context...

We tell the whole story.

That's what the district's effort is to do now, to lay the FICMAT report against the entire background to provide the context and tell the whole story of our district.
00:33:25.32 Will McCoy Well, so we'll tell our story. We'll address the issues that are correct in the FICMAT report, and there are issues that are correct in the FICMAT report. Many of them are business services related, and of course we want to meet all of our obligations related to business practice.

We need to focus on the children and the education of the children. That's something that has been lost with the FICMAT report and the release of the FICMAT report is the discussion has gone away from the students and what the students need to the adult noise that happens when reports of this nature come out. It's a distraction from the learning of our children. I'm encouraging everyone Let's get back to the conversation.

about our students.

And so we're happy to work collaboratively with people and agencies that share our values, CCE being one of those.

We're addressing the fiscal procedures. We're working on clarifying the MOU with Willow Creek. I've spoken with their leadership.

A mutual agreement that there is some disclarity, and so we need to get in and we need to work on that. And we need to improve academic outcomes of our students. We're not currently receiving a good return on our investment. So let's talk about that investment for a minute.

Well, we are investing time and resources with the California Collaborative for educational excellence. Right now, our funding per student is at $16,500 per student at Bayside MLK.

That's significant.

The state average is $9,700.

The fact is, we need to look at how we've invested our money and what type of returns are we getting on that money. When the rest of California is not in the fortunate Marin County setting, this is new to me as well, this level of funding per student. And what we need to look at is how are we performing when we look at our investment of money to students. We have outstanding staffing ratios, administration at 1 to 100, nearly unheard of in this state. Certificated employees 1 to 18. And when you look at all instructional support staff, teachers, special education, and instructional paraprofessionals, we have one adult for every six kids on that campus.

I can find Only pieces to the puzzle, but the entire picture has not been laid out yet. All of the pieces to the puzzle are there. It's a matter of taking those, making them systemic, and letting the picture of success grow from our campus. I believe that the pieces are there, I believe it can be done, and I believe there is no excuse for anything less.
00:36:13.31 Will McCoy So on October 7th, we will be releasing, if not before, our response to the FICMAT report, and then again, hopefully changing the narrative to our education plan.

I'm developing a plan for professional development to work with the staff. I'm working with coaching of staff on effective instructional practices. And we will be evaluating all staff, admin, teachers, and classified this year under the auspices of coaching.

We need to improve as a team and evaluation is one tool to help us all improve.

We're partnering with community agencies, I'm very thankful, some of whom are here tonight, that have invited me to your local meetings, that have invited me to come be part of the conversation. It's an honor and I do want to help.

I want to help the students of our district most of all.

And how else are we going to do that? We're going to support, support, support.

That means we're going to support our students, we're going to support our staff, and we will support the community in getting the resources that they need I cannot emphasize enough that I truly believe all the pieces are in place. We just, it's like a band that hasn't practiced together.

like they got a new piece of music. We are going to be a symphony. The pieces are there. And I believe in the people that are there and the support that we're getting from our community. I honestly feel that in the near future, we will be playing music of success versus all of the cacophony of noise created by FICMAT and all the adult noise that you hear about right now. I'm very, very encouraged by the promise of our students, of our staff, and of the community.

I'd like to thank you for your time.

I want to let you know that we do look forward to helping our schools become a source of pride in this community. I'm sure that's why you invited us here tonight.

We appreciate your ongoing attention to the education of our children and to your support when we reach out for assistance.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you.
00:38:25.12 Jill Hoffman Thank you, Will.

Okay, so do we have any City Council questions for Superintendent McCoy.
00:38:31.57 Unknown I do, I have a question. Hi, thank you for that presentation. And thank you for being here to provide an opportunity for the community to comment and ask questions. So it would have been helpful to have the FICMAT report, the fiscal crisis management assistance team report. So I am hearing this from folks who have reached out and talked with me, and I would like you to comment on what I have heard. I have been told that the school board closed seven to eight programs at Bayside MLK, that five teachers were removed from Bayside MLK, that five teachers were removed from Bayside MLK, and that some funding had been diverted from Bayside MLK. I was wondering if you could comment on those three points.
00:38:32.87 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Yeah.
00:39:33.72 Will McCoy I'll do my best, yes ma'am.

The first is yes, there were layoffs prior to my coming on as superintendent. And specific arts music programs were cut. An unfortunate move. And the board has moved to rectify that this fall. We have, each day of the week, we have a specialist that comes on to either provide drama, which is Fridays, music, art, and then we have PE two days a week. On Tuesdays and Wednesdays, we have an additional PE specialist that comes on to help with that. And so those fine arts programs that were cut, we are working to actively restore. We are also fortunate enough to be working with the Center for Excellence, and they will be providing a grant. We don't have a signed agreement yet, but we have an offer of assistance for them to provide after school musical production, as well as an art gallery presentation, and someone about 12 hours a week to coordinate the arts programs into a succinct tapestry versus a variety of different programs.

The other pieces that you mentioned, a cut in funding.
00:40:49.57 Unknown The cut in the programs closed and then the teachers, five teachers I guess removed and then the third was the funding. So you responded to, it sounds like the programs are being restored and what about the teachers? And then third was the funding.
00:41:05.47 Will McCoy Right.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to step on your words, ma'am. With the teaching staff, we have seven and a half full-time teachers for 155 students, which works out to a ratio of about 1 to 20. We do have two combination classes. We have a 3-4 and a 4-5.

combination class.
00:41:24.64 Unknown And this is at Bayside MLK.
00:41:25.58 Will McCoy At Bayside MLK, yes ma'am.

And so with those numbers right now, our highest numbers that are of concern are actually at the middle school, which is a little surprising, which is a good thing. And so I have a meeting on Monday to look at those numbers and help rectify that.

The other piece that you talked about was a cut in funding. The funding would have, in my opinion, in looking at the decisions that were made in the past, would have been reflected in the cuts to programs. Again, those programs are being restored, and I don't foresee a need to cut funding for any reason to the site.
00:42:05.32 Jill Hoffman What's the total number of students at Bayside MLK?
00:42:09.34 Will McCoy Well, I was actually corrected on this number today. I used 155 students and it was 170.
00:42:11.97 Jill Hoffman I'm just a happy.

Okay.
00:42:15.23 Will McCoy Julius, our office manager, wrote to me and said, Will, it's 170. We need to celebrate.
00:42:22.22 Jill Hoffman And what's the So you said the average per student spend at Bayside MLK is $16,500. What's the average student?

per per student spend it will create academy or
00:42:35.65 Will McCoy It's right at about $8,000.
00:42:38.11 Jill Hoffman About how much?
00:42:38.96 Will McCoy 8,000 versus 16,500.
00:42:40.17 Jill Hoffman I don't know.

Okay.
00:42:47.61 Jill Hoffman Okay, any other questions?
00:42:49.57 Unknown .

Thank you for coming. Of course. Congratulations on your position and welcome. So thank you. I appreciate that.

I want to follow up on the Mayor's question about the I'll use the word per capita funding. So 16,500 versus 90,700 as a state average. This is OK.

you you If, as I imagine, let's say the 9,700 for the state average, let's start there, presumably that figure is made up of, is a sort of fully loaded, if you like, I'm using private sector terms, a fully loaded cost. So that would include administration facilities as well as teachers and other expenses.
00:43:49.04 Will McCoy Correct. There's additional spending for both sites that is allocated for excess property tax revenue. That's laid on top of the $16,500 and the $8,000.
00:44:01.09 Unknown Sure. What I'm trying to get at is, What would be the percent, the 9,700 for the state average, what percentage of that would be administration overhead? What percentage would be facilities? What would be going directly to teachers and sort of operational expenses for education out of that 9,000?
00:44:23.02 Will McCoy Out of 9,700. Typically, your personnel costs will run between 65% and 80% of that. Your administration runs 5% to 8% typically. And then your operational expenses, FILLING THEM.
00:44:37.97 Unknown in the back. And so if we then jump to the 16,500, would those sort of ratios still apply there?
00:44:46.03 Will McCoy .
00:44:46.43 Unknown I...
00:44:47.04 Will McCoy Thank you.

I believe that we are actually more cost effective than that with lower percentages towards staffing, which surprises me. It's just in looking at the numbers of These are bigger numbers than I'm used to throwing around, to be frank. $9,000 was a gift in Red Bluff, and $16,500 is a bit surprising.

And so our staffing ratios are closer to the 60% of our overall costs at this time at Bayside MLK.
00:45:28.68 Unknown Thank you for coming tonight, Mr. McCoy. Appreciate your emphasis on the collaborative approach and focus on the children. And very happy to hear that you feel we have the pieces and have to put them together. So that's important. Just one technical question. On your second to last slide, you say that on October 7th, you're going to release your plan and you itemize some points. But on the 7th, will you have a, is there going to be a comprehensive response to the FICMAT report as part of that? Is that when it's going to come up?
00:45:30.00 Unknown Of course.
00:45:30.34 Unknown Thank you.
00:45:30.36 Unknown Thank you.
00:45:57.93 Will McCoy IT'S PART OF IT.

Is that when it's going to come? There will be. We're actually going to be releasing two plans at the time. The first will be our response to the FICMAT report. Right now it's at about 56 pages to their 104-page document. And we will be releasing that and noting those places where we agree and noting those places where we adamantly disagree and qualifying each of those statements with details. The second piece that will be released on or about October 7th, because I'll be honest with you as the superintendent, I would like these ideas not to mix with each other. I don't want the education of our students to get, distracted.

by the response to the FICMAT report. I want the narrative over the next month to change from this is the FICMAT report, OK, thank you. We learned a few things. We disagree on many things. But we're moving forward as grown-ups. And let's focus on the kids over here, on the plan for moving the children forward. That's the conversation I was hired to have. That's the conversation I'm best at. Frankly, I'm not a politician.

I have, I, admire you guys for doing what you do. It's not an interest of mine. I'm an educator at heart, and I want to help children. This is the plan that I'd like to speak to.
00:47:16.90 Unknown And on that point, having gone through the FICMAT report and all the recommendations, and I thought you have a staff of three? Yes. And I just wondered, could that possibly be done and do some education as well? I mean, there's all these administrative and financial and such, and I can understand the reasons for them, but it just seemed very like it would be almost impossible to do or certainly difficult. So I was wondering if you had, and I guess many of these recommendations were made in 2012, and according to the report, only 80% of them were done. But again, it looked like quite a bit to do as well as run a school district.
00:47:48.85 Unknown All right.
00:47:57.07 Will McCoy Absolutely true.

common misconception about our district is that we have a big district office, that we are well staffed, like you would see many other districts. The fact is, I'm in the district office, the CBO is in the district office, the director of operations and maintenance is in the office, and everyone else is at Bayside MLK. I don't have a full-time secretary as a superintendent. We are greatly understaffed for the task. I won't say for the overall work of the district, but for the task ahead of us. With the FICMAT report and the FICMAT response, we were certainly understaffed, And I did have to bring on additional help in order to draft a response. Primarily, since there are so many legal issues that are involved within the FICMAT report, we had to bring on an attorney to help us with our response.

It was simply too overwhelming. I appreciate your acknowledgement.
00:48:52.28 Jill Hoffman question.

Okay, at this point then, I will open it up for public comment on this agenda item.
00:49:04.55 Jill Hoffman Okay, the first card I have here is for Kurt Weinsheimer.

And then I'm going to name off the next three, Kurt Weinheimer, Marcella Adai, and Tanisha Broadfast. Sorry, Broadfoot, my apologies.
00:49:21.14 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.
00:49:21.17 Unknown you
00:49:21.37 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.
00:49:25.51 Jill Hoffman Oh yeah, and if anybody else wants to speak on this item or any other item on the agenda, if they could turn in a green card, that would be much appreciated, thank you.
00:49:33.07 Unknown Thank you.
00:49:57.72 Unknown I was trying to bring up some slides if possible.
00:49:59.38 Unknown Sorry.

So,
00:50:00.34 Jill Hoffman Take care.
00:50:00.71 Tarina Morris Bye.
00:50:00.73 Jill Hoffman .
00:50:06.48 Unknown I haven't dealt with word.
00:50:16.94 Jeff Knowles I'm super limited.
00:50:18.09 Unknown you
00:50:21.85 Unknown Yeah, it should have triggered her. I'm gonna try it again. Okay, thank you.
00:50:37.46 Danny Castro THEIR OWNERS.
00:50:43.66 Susan Hart Thank you.
00:50:51.77 Unknown Very good. Very good. Thank you very much.

THANK YOU.

Good evening. Thank you for having me.

My name is Kurt Weinsteimer. I'm a parent and board member at Willow Creek Academy.

I wish I was here on happier terms.

Sadly, a recent county-funded report called the FICMAC report filled with inaccuracies and false claims, has been blindly promoted by some in our community.

The report is heavy on opinions.

and light on research with the goal of dividing our schools and our community.

So I wanted to take a few minutes and tell you about your districts.

public charter school.

15 years ago, Marin City and Sausalito parents set out to create a diverse public school to support all the kids in our community at a time when the current schools were failing.

And we did just that.

Starting with 37 kids, Willow Creek now teaches 400 students, about 70% of all the students in the district.

About 50% of our students are from Marin City, and 200 of our students are English language learners and or qualify for free or reduced lunch.

This means we educate not only the majority of all students, but the majority of the high-need students in our district.

We also educate students that live elsewhere, as we're legally obligated to do as a charter school.

when we have room, We take all students that want to get an education.

So 22% of our kids are out of district, but mainly from Marin County.

These include families forced to move away but have kept at the school because they love it.

It's children of teachers who maybe can't afford to live in Sausalito.

And it also is people in our county looking for a better place to learn.

We end up being a safety net for both the district and for the county.

And for those who have interacted with our school, you may have seen how we also do more with less.

that we receive less funding per student as you saw, about $7,900, we stretch our spending.

It means that we can offer all students access to the arts, to music, and to field trips they might not otherwise get to experience.

This is the type of activity that we want to share with everyone in the community so that both schools can do the best for our students.

You should be proud of your charter school, and I hope you are.

But instead of scapegoating Willow Creek as part of the problem, We all would be better off to see Willow Creek as part of the solution.

Together, we can make education great for everyone in our Sausalito Marin City community no matter which public school they go to.

Thank you.
00:53:44.07 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

An excellent time on your time. You have 15 seconds. Marcella.
00:54:00.20 Marcela Alexis Hade Good evening, my name is Marcela Alexis Hade, and I'm here to...
00:54:05.55 Jill Hoffman If you could pull the microphone to your, there you go.
00:54:08.00 Marcela Alexis Hade Yes. I'm here to the fact number one, that Willow Creek students reflect our community's diversity in response to the FICMAT report that Willow Creek caters to the rich, white Willow Creek students. Willow Creek students live in Marin City and Sausalito.

representing our school districts, many races, nationalities, and economic backgrounds.
00:54:36.60 Unknown Thank you.
00:54:38.27 Marcela Alexis Hade Willow Creek overindexes for African American students.

Asian students.

Hispanic Latino students and mixed race students, as you can see by the numbers. Willow Creek under indexes for white students, and Willow Creek educates 50% of Marin City children in the public school.

I also would like to share a personal Some personal thoughts with you why I picked Willow Creek. My husband and I moved into the district 13 years ago, and we were told by our neighbors that our schools are not good, so we took our children to private school over in the Cora Madera area.

My son had an issue, he was six years old. He kept telling me, mom.

something is wrong here. Why am I the only brown boy in my class? He met the head of school on campus one day and said, I would call him John. He said, John, something is really wrong here. You need to bring more brown boys into the school.

So I thought, well, something is radically wrong. I have to venture out. So I found Willow Creek and went to Willow Creek. And we've been there ever since, and we're extremely happy. The first day of his attendance at Willow Creek, he came back home and he said, Mama, I really love that school. There's all kinds of children going to school there. I have a daughter as well who go to school there, and she's very happy at Willow Creek. And I'd just like to tell you that that aspect of the FICMAT report is very false, as you can see by the numbers, and we do represent our district.

Thank you very much.
00:56:23.38 Jill Hoffman Thank you. The next three are Tanisha Broadfoot, Jeff Knowles, and Terry Lang.
00:56:41.69 Unknown technical skills.
00:56:42.39 Tanisha Broadfoot I don't give.
00:56:42.91 Unknown and the other.
00:56:42.98 Tanisha Broadfoot you Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening, everybody. I'm Tanisha Broadfoot, and I'm just here to speak on behalf of Willow Creek as a board member, a parent, a community member. One of the things that I do want to make sure that is very clear, I don't believe it's an actual spending money issue, a funding issue. I believe it is a spending issue between both schools. Our school actually receives less funding, as you can see on here, from public assistance funding. So it's not actually spending. It's how you spend the money that's the bigger issue, in my point of view. I graduated from Bayside in 1997. There was no Willow Creek choice at that time, so it was no alternative choice that you could go to. I attended Redwood High School from there, and there was a big giant gap between my educational standards and the other students within this county. That's the reason why my children have both gone to Willow Creek. We started at Bayside for both children, and we decided to transfer them over to Willow Creek. My daughter now attends TAM, where there was again a gap, so it's not just Willow Creek that, I mean Bayside that's receiving a gap in the students education. Unfortunately it's both, meaning it's our county that has a problem with educating our children. So that's why I want to make sure that I am actually kind of happy with the fact that conversation came aboard. I'm disappointed with the facts that they found because they're not just, but the fact that somebody has actually taken the time to look inside of the district is great because there is a problem with Bayside Elementary School. I attended that school so I could say that there's a problem And then also talking within the community standards, I know that there's been a lot of talk about some of the funding and the fact that Willow Creek does not pay a rent. We do pay a percentage, a 3% oversight facility percentage that pays for some of the facility costs, which is in lieu of rent. So I just want to make sure it's very clear that I'm very happy with the fact that we have a wonderful superintendent here. Now that seems like he's actually diving into the facts that need to be taken care of and that we do need to look at the staffing because obviously I think we're spending too much money funding administrators or people that probably are not suited to give our children the best education.

And...

And also the fact that we do work together in certain cases. Like Conscious Kitchen actually came from Bayside, so we were able to pick up that information. The schools do talk. All the children of the schools go to play Little League together, and it's a community atmosphere. So inside the schools, there's a major issue. But as a community at Willow Creek, we're doing very well, as well as blending in with the Marin City community. So I just wanted to be clear that we do need to look at some of the way the money is being spent. Thank you.
00:59:27.37 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
00:59:29.31 Tanisha Broadfoot Thank you.
00:59:31.62 Jeff Knowles Good evening, my name is Jeff Knowles. I am a Willow Creek board member and parent. Kurt, if you can help me with my slide here.

There it is. All right.

So I'd like to address the FICMAT report as well. There is a basic premise in that report.

that is presented as though it were law or consensus policy. And that premise is, If a child elects to go to the public charter school instead of the traditional school, That child becomes a second priority, a distant second priority for the district board.

That is neither the law nor in this district where 70% of the children attend a public charter school is its sound policy.

That is the fundamental premise of that report and one of the main reasons it is wrong.

Now, Willow Creek has already responded to that report. We responded on September 14th.

Speaking to Council Member Theodorus' comment about difficulty in doing that, it was all volunteers that pulled that together.

But you can find that at willowcreekacademy.org. And we tried to be very thorough about this.

And we cited the law that says it is not correct that charter school students come second THIS DISTRICT CAN AND SHOULD treat all students equally in terms of wanting them all to achieve where they should be achieving. That is not the same as saying they should all receive equal funding. We believe it should be need based.

but we should care whether the kids go to school, in any public school, doesn't matter which school they go to.

I would like to talk briefly about this slide, which is basically describing the fact that the FICMAT report recommends cutting Willow Creek's funding by $1.9 million, up to $1.9 million. That would cripple Willow Creek and likely close it.

That is critically important to note. That number is wrong in many ways. As Superintendent McCoy acknowledged, there is at least, and now an admitted, $450,000 error. We have articulated another at least $750,000 error in that. That number is wrong.

But if it were implemented, it would almost certainly devastate Willow Creek.

I'd like to finally mention one thing that's critically important.

You are not making a decision tonight.

but this November our community is.

And there are four candidates running for school board, two incumbents and two challengers, They all say they care about all the kids.

But the two challengers have said they embrace the FICMAT They have used it as the centerpiece.

They are saying they agree with the FICMAT report's premises, They cannot possibly be in favor of both schools if they favor a report that recommends all the kids who go to that school come second, And that school should be crippled in its funding.

We need unity in this district, we need collaboration, we need transparency.

We do not need division. That's what the FICMAT report is.

and I urge everyone in this community to think hard and ask hard questions to all of these candidates.

Thank you.

Thank you.
01:02:33.76 Jill Hoffman Thank you. My next is Terry Lang, Alex Canton is up next, and then Gracie Mateka. She's not here. Okay, Gracie's not here.
01:02:33.81 Jeff Knowles Thank you.
01:02:40.37 Jeff Knowles .
01:02:40.46 Unknown Thank you.
01:02:40.47 Jeff Knowles Thank you.
01:02:42.95 Terry Lang She's here.

Thank you.
01:02:45.38 Jill Hoffman .
01:02:47.05 Terry Lang Hi, I'm Terry Lang, I'm a Willow Creek Academy mom of two kids and I live in Sausalito and have a local business. I consider myself to be very active in the community as well as the school.

I hope my fellow parents have already begun to dispel some of the myths around the FICMAT report. One thing I would like to talk about is out of district. That seems to be a hot button topic that is a little misunderstood. The state legislation, Indicates that as a charter school, if there is space open and available in a classroom, no matter where in California you live, if you apply to a charter school, you can get in.

So that's where we stand as far as out of district. So I think that just to dispel that. Another thing that I am just so disappointed and saddened by is the fact that this FICMAT report has totally divided two communities that should be working together. And it's shocking to me that that so many mistruths are being told over and over and over again about Willow Creek Academy.

to the detriment of our two communities. So what I would like to say here is that we should be working together to find a solution and that we need to really look at what the issue is. Is it children's test scores? Is it money? Is it community members wanting to play a bigger part? I don't know, but I do know that it should be about the kids. Thank you.
01:04:29.67 Kate Storr Thank you.
01:04:29.99 Alexandra Canton Thank you.
01:04:33.70 Alexandra Canton Good evening. Thank you very much for taking the time and listening to us this evening. My name is Alexandra Canton. I'm a parent of a Willow Creek student with some special education needs. So I'm also here to refute one of the key facts of the FICMAT report regarding that Willow Creek was not taking care of their special ed students because that's just factually not the case. Secondly, I just want to... Willow Creek was not taking care of their special ed students because that's just factually not the case. Secondly, I just wanted to share with the community and remind everyone how special Willow Creek has been within Sausalito, how it has encouraged people to move here.

And it has created a sense of community. You see it at the July 4th parade.

certainly with all the children.

around town now that didn't used to be here and how much Willow Creek has contributed to the flavor of Sausalito. Just also just sharing briefly a personal story. My daughter and I are, we live on a liveaboard boat in a marina here in town. And it's a very unique demographic. It's not something that you typically find anywhere else outside of Sausalito.

And we were nervous, afraid that the community wouldn't accept us at Willow Creek.

Nothing could be further from the truth. It has been a very inclusive place. It's a very unique environment where the people who are more affluent are share their resources with the kids that aren't as affluent, and everyone gets along. It is an absolute joy to be experiencing the level of diversity and unique experiences there, the teachers and the staff, It's a very unique and dedicated combination with the parents. And that's why we chose a charter school, because of the parent involvement, because of the involvement with the community. And I would encourage you to support Willow Creek in any way possible, as well as MLK. MLK is an amazing school as well, and of course, all the students should be taken care of. Thank you.
01:06:56.99 Jill Hoffman Thank you, the next three speaker cards I have are for Alice Merrill, Damian Morgan, and David Sudo.
01:07:15.84 Alice Merrill Hello, do you want this up still?

I don't think so. You do? My name's Alice Merrill. I live here in town.
01:07:25.26 Unknown Okay.
01:07:29.57 Alice Merrill What I think is that we need new thinking and focus from the school board.

It's not a bad thing to have new blood, to have new energy, new ways of looking at things. I think that the superintendent is, seems to be a good guy and is trying to address the issues that are here in this town, in this school, the one in Sausalito, the one in Marin City. It's never been a real easy combination.

I grew up here, I went to schools here, I was here when things were integrated. It's never been just totally perfect.

But, you know, we deal. We have to deal.

So I think that new school board members Good thing.

Okay, number two.

I have a question, is coaching part of the CCEE?

So when the superintendent said we are getting new coaching, is that because of the CCEE or is that separate? Yes.

Um...

I believe that MLK not only has joint classes in the third and fourth and the fourth and fifth, but also in the seventh and eighth.

and the superintendent did not mention that, so I believe that's true.

Um, Question, who decided to to cut the music and the art and all those things that were cut.

Why was that decided? Why did that get done? They're putting it back in, Why wasn't it kept in?

Um...

I believe that this school's as I said, have always been itchy around each other. It's not been a simple situation.

And, And when I've noticed the little creek turning up oh, I've got to go faster, all these big fundraisers. I think, who's going to do that for the MLK kids? Nobody can. It's a different demographic. Then my last thing is I don't think that school board members at this point in time should also be on the board of Willow Creek. If there are people on the board of Willow Creek that either shouldn't be on the board and should be school board members or they...

choose because it's, to me, a conflict of interest.

And so those are my comments. Thank you.
01:10:15.03 Jill Hoffman .
01:10:15.71 Amy Wilson Thank you.
01:10:16.11 Jill Hoffman Next up, Damian Morgan, David Sudo, and Dana Perez.
01:10:25.11 Unknown THE CITY.

Thanks for having me. Hi, Herb. Herb was my little league coach when I was seven years old. So Herb was a great guy. I was decent, you know. For the people that...

that like inclusion, diversity, speak to Herb Wade regarding how things were back then, a lot better than what they are now.

I want to say, This is not community versus community. I've said this before, I'll say it again. This is not community.

Versus community.

This is not a...

parent versus parent, this is not school versus school.

But there is a core group of people who are, the FICMAT report is not responsible for the divisions.

It exposed.

A SCHOOL BOARD.

So again, that is not responsible for the division of the communities.

There are a core group of people in different meetings and on the internet who spool this hate speech. And they claim to like diversity and want diversity. They put up these pretty maps and these graphs about diversity. But diversity sounds good in here right now.

It sounds good in this form.

but how much do these folks really want diversity? How much do they embrace it? Not much. So my point is, The FIGMAT.

did not divide this community. The school board divided the community.

Period.

They cut programs, the teachers that were let go, I saw them before this report came out.

One more thing, this is the second FGMAT report in 2012 There was a report that came out and changes were made at Bayside MOK. If I have it correctly, Bayside MLK, at the time she, I don't wanna say her name, because I should ask her first, She brought on this report. She asked for this report to take place.

That report came out.

It was swept under the rug.

And she or he, I won't say who, was sent on her way.

SO THIS IS THE SECOND REPORT. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT. NOT THE FIRST.

So...

I'll just say that, you know, again, I will say this too, regarding Marin City, because there's kind of divisions, but Marin City, there's no one, including myself, that is against Willow Creek. Some of my best friends that I grew up with, I will say their names, okay? Herb might know them, Kevin Smith, his daughter's name's La Sarah, We grew up together. I'm not against Willow Creek.

Tino Wilson, there's a guy named Malachi.

He goes to Willow Creek. Yeah, you know him, Tanisha.

There's no one in Tennessee that is against Willow Creek. We are against a board who tore apart Bayside MLK.

So if we want change, if we want better for every kid, let's change, let's get out and vote and change the board. No one in Marin City is against, I'll say this again, is against Willow Creek. We are against, what we're for is fair play. Every kid deserves a fair chance. And this board took it away from them, period.
01:13:48.82 Jill Hoffman Thank you, next speaker is David Sudo, Dana Perez, and Tarina Ruars. Ruars, sorry. Sorry. All right, yes, David.
01:14:01.40 Unknown Thank you.

David Sudo. You know, I've heard a couple of times people putting words in my mouth apparently because they say that I fully embrace this FICMAT report. And I don't recall myself ever saying that I have. I have said that there's very interesting information in there. I think that a lot of the information about Willow Creek is a distraction.

and possibly much of it is inaccurate. But there's a lot of information in there about how the school district runs Bayside MLK and improvements in business processes and other things like that that that we should be looking at, and to dismiss the whole report because of some inaccuracies, I think is problematic. I would also point out that it's great that the school board and staff has now embraced the CCEE, but I was at school board meetings, and let's just say, they, A, they were volunteered by the same people that Thank you.

that won in this FICMAT report, and they pretty much tried to avoid accepting it.

Um, I would also like to have some other, we had lots of statistics, so I'd like to have some statistics.

Eight years ago, Bayside was a California distinguished school.

Today, 25% of the kids score proficient at that school in English and math.

Um, Four years ago, we had 14 teachers and a full-time counselor there. Today, we have 7 1⁄2 teachers full-time for TK through 8. That's 10 grades.

Seventh and eighth grade are taught together, and there are 28 kids in that class.

If we have 170 kids and there's seven and a half teachers, that means the teacher student ratio is 22.7, not 6 or 7 to 1.

Um, And you know, This school district in general has a problem with the achievement cap.

Not only is only 25% of Bayside MLK proficient, only about 50% of Willow Creek students are proficient in math and English. So this school district has a lot of work to do in teaching our kids. We teach some of our kids very, very well, and there's a lot of kids in the school district that are not being taught well at all at either of our schools.

Willow Creek has come a long way in providing us with a model for a good school in Sausalito, but we need to improve both schools. We need to continue improving at Willow Creek, and we desperately need improvement at Bayside Elmett K, because right now those kids are all failing.

Thank you.
01:16:59.48 Jill Hoffman Thank you. Dana Perez and then Tarina. Oh, and after Tarina, I have Jerome.

Sharfer, no? Something like that, sorry. Please write legibly on your cards, that'd be helpful.
01:17:17.28 Dana Perez Thank you.
01:17:17.35 Jill Hoffman Yeah.
01:17:17.42 Dana Perez THE END OF THE
01:17:17.50 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
01:17:17.52 Dana Perez Thank you.
01:17:17.69 Jill Hoffman THE END OF THE END OF THE
01:17:17.94 Dana Perez Hi, my name is Dana Perez. I'm a parent of a seventh grader at Bayside MLK. I also live in Marin City.

We care about all the children.

all the children, I believe that MLK Bayside is in crisis mode. There's no foreign language, there's no counselor, Seventh and eighth is blended, fourth and fifth is blended, I had A mother come to me, it's a friend of mine, She sat in her child's kindergarten class Her child kept saying something to her, and she said, something's not right. And I said, well, you can volunteer. You can go in and sit in.

She sat in for half a day, she went back again, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, She actually spent I believe it was two full days.

She called me and she said, can you come here? I want to talk to you. She's Filipino. Her child is African-American and Filipino.

I am shocked.

SHE SAID, GOOD TEACHER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT I think there's 22 kids in the class.

I was only gonna stay a couple hours. I stayed the whole day because her aide, she only has one aide for part of the day, left and it was Her words were, Too much was going on.

She...

She said, just too much. She said, I couldn't leave. I couldn't leave. I helped her.

She asked me if I could help, how should she go about addressing this issue? And I said, well, we need to talk to the principal, and there's other avenues too.

I also heard of another incident at the school in the multipurpose room. A teacher was in there with a class, and I guess she had a meltdown of some kind and was running out of the multipurpose room. And there happened to be another lady there that kind of seen there was something going on and she took over and she got the kids singing.

This is a reflection that something is not right. I'm pleading with you. Something is not right. And our children are paying.

They're underperforming. I'm concerned, my daughter has excellent study habits. I'm concerned when she either goes to Redwood, TAM, or one of the local high schools that she's gonna be Behind, that's a trend.

Check the research. We need to do something for all the children especially Bayside MLK.

We love our children and we love our staff. Our staff is hardworking and dedicated. My daughter's teacher, I check in with him on a regular basis.

He's exhausted. He's stretched thin. That's the murmurings I get, stretched thin.
01:20:20.73 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Next up is Tarina and then Jerome and Sonja Hansen.
01:20:33.50 Tarina Morris Hi, my name is Tarina Morris, and I'm the Deputy County Superintendent for the Marin County Office of Education. My organization, our organization, is responsible for commissioning the FICMAT report. And I learned about this meeting not that long ago, so I don't have a lot prepared, but I will try and give you as much of an overview on the purpose of the FICMAT report and where we are in next steps. So Mary Jane Burke, the county superintendent, has been involved in the Sausalito Marin City School District seven times since 1998.

um, Our involvement has always been a little bit arms distance, administrative support, board support, we have tried to allow and respect the local community and the local board in carrying out the needs of the community.

In February, we learned that there was significant community unrest from the Marin City community in particular. Unrest specifically tied and directed towards the board and the school district's failure to serve children in the Bayside MLK school.

In addition to that, the then superintendent, Steve Van Zandt, was arraigned and eventually convicted of a felony conflict of interest relating to his charter activities in San Diego County.

On top of that, we received reports from the independent auditor that there were problems, significant findings in their audit report one of which was surrounding their local control and accountability plan that calls for community engagement THEIR OWNERS.

and it was found that the community engagement that was cited in the plan lacked source documents supporting documentation.

All of those things combined compelled my boss, Mary Jane Burke, to act we met with two of the board members and the at that time to offer our support and our help and in fact over the coming months met with the county met with the two of the board members and the interim superintendent every other week trying to assist them.

Essentially, where we are right now is we are asking for the Attorney General's opinion to have met with the Attorney General's office to determine whether, in fact, there is a common law conflict of interest related to this board's relationship with Willow Creek Charter Academy.

That is primarily because, as one of the other speakers pointed out, you have board members who have children in the Willow Creek School. We don't have a problem with Willow Creek.

Willow Creek, I think it's notable that there is the pride and the belief in what Willow Creek is providing to children, and we want that for all kids. We want that especially for Bayside MLK. They deserve the same amount of pride and recognition for what we can do for these kids. Thank you.
01:23:40.85 Jerome Thank you.

My name is Jerome, and the reason you can't read my name is because I'm a doctor.
01:23:42.39 Tarina Morris Amen.
01:23:42.64 Unknown Thank you.
01:23:42.65 Tarina Morris .
01:23:46.11 Jerome I'd like to, before my three minutes start, take down the slide that has been sitting there when everybody spoke. I think that's potentially detrimental and can induce bias. Currently, I'm a bioethicist, and this should be taken down as I speak. Could you answer?
01:24:05.03 Jill Hoffman Could you hold on, sir? Sir, if you could hold just a minute, we'll take it down.
01:24:12.35 Jerome Thank you.
01:24:13.22 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
01:24:13.23 Jerome You're welcome.

So I'm just a simple person who grew up in Newark, New Jersey, and in a school that was totally integrated.

AND When I heard about this, I got involved with this because of my friend Peter when we were on a bike ride, started to tell me what he learned.

Since then, I've met with volunteers who help educate at MLK Bayside, members of the Marin City community, former teachers, and others. What I've heard tells me that there's a huge communication gap between what Mr. Ziegler told us here and what Mr. McCoy told us as well. The people I've met with paint a completely different picture. It's almost what we heard last night. There are two different realities.

When I heard about the FICMAC report, I thought it was something you did yoga on. I had no idea. I've never read the report. It's over 100 pages, but I've heard its essence distilled. I don't think there should be a fight about the truths or untruths in that report. I don't think, as we've heard so many times, it should be about dollars and cents. It should be, as Kurt, one of our early speakers, said MLK Bayside should be a better place to learn, as he described Willow Creek Academy.

I and nobody I know really who is interested is criticizing Willow Creek Academy. It's an excellent school.

and does excellent things.

What I am, Criticizing is the educational environment at MLK Bayside.

There must be a communication gap because I've heard that there are no counselors, and Mr. McCoy said there are counselors. I've heard that when the school year started, there were no textbooks available at MLK Bayside for three weeks. I've heard that for the first few days, there were substitute teachers, not regular teachers. I could go on and on. I think that there's somehow this failure to communicate, and people are painting a picture of this school that isn't real. This school needs a lot of help. I noticed that at Bayside MLK, when I looked at the statistics, nobody put up a statistic about how many children of Sausalito residents go to MLK Bayside. It's either zero or one or two. The parents who live in Sausalito are not sending their children to the public school of the district. Why is that? It can't be that it's a long commute.

It can't be that they don't know where it's located. It can't be anything that I could think of except the school is not performing as well as it should, nor is it performing as well as Willow Creek Academy. So I have nothing negative. I have only positive to say about Willow Creek, but I would like to see the educational environment at MLK Bayside brought up to stand up.

Thank you.
01:27:20.93 Jill Hoffman Thank you. Our next speaker is Sonia Hansen, Barbara Sapienza, and Margaret Badger. Those are our next three up.
01:27:33.17 Sonya Hansen you Good evening.

My name is Sonya Hansen. I'm a Slauselita resident.

I am a supporter of Willow Creek Academy.

I'm wearing my T-shirt.

I have young friends who attend Willow Creek Academy. I know from talking with them and from visiting the school just how happy they are there and how successful the growth of Willow Creek has been in its relatively short 26-year history.

The other school in our school district, Bayside MLK, is a public school and is located in Marin City.

Bayside MLK, unfortunately, does not have the same success story. The students at Bayside MLK are falling farther behind the state standards every year.

We are a small school district, and overall we are a relatively wealthy school district. We can have two successful schools. We should not settle for one school's success over the other school's failure. Bottom line, the current school board is culpable for Bayside MLK failure.

we need two new school board members. And in full disclosure, I am the treasurer for those two new school board members. Thank you.
01:28:43.86 Jill Hoffman Thank you. Next up is Barbara Sapienza.
01:28:53.90 Barbara Sapienza Thank you, your honorable mayor and board for having us be able to speak for two or three minutes. It's wonderful.

I always speak and I always say the same thing. I say to myself, what are you in terms of this school district? And what I feel like is, I'm a witness. I've been a volunteer once a week for 12 years at Bayside MLK, first when it was in Sausalito and now when it's in Marin.

And, um, When the school was going to be moved, AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT to new modules because they were going to have community a great community school.

I was very much against it, and I wrote to every board member personally. And I said, why can't we still have two schools, but on one campus, where the kids can do murals together, gardens and other things? It seemed to me funny that these kids would have to go to Marin City.

Well, as I watch, as I'm the witness, what I see is a systematic degradation. The kids are not getting what they need. 22 kids in a kindergarten with hardly an aide, the teacher going mad, 37 6th, 7th, and 8th graders who are getting ready to go. Remember how it was for you and me when we were getting ready to go to high school and we went to different classes and we had different teachers, my grandkids say, Grammy, we have about 10 teachers. Well, these kids have one. They have a.5 who is assistant principal. The poor woman runs from being assistant principal to being a teacher. And we have a science teacher who comes in. And now, luckily, we have some of these other things like counselors, but they're kind of like drive-by. They come in for two tents. They come in for four tents. They're not there. The kids don't have anyone to go to to say, you're my role model. Can I talk to you after school? So I'm not against Willow Creek. I think they're our role model. I want this group of kids to be like a charter school and have what Willow Creek has. And so every meeting I come and I talk because I think we're part of a herd and all of us are gonna be citizens of this great country and we're gonna contribute or we're not gonna contribute. And it depends a lot on our schools. We are the fathers of our children and the mothers and we need to be there for them. So I'm just up here as a witness to say work hard and Think of all the children.

Thank you.
01:31:32.99 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Margaret Badger, Thomas Neumeier, and Peter Sapienza.

I think.
01:31:52.98 Margaret Badger Margaret Badger.
01:31:54.38 Unknown Yes.
01:31:57.33 Margaret Badger Most of my professional life, I was a teacher.

I've been volunteering in the Bayside MLK tutoring program founded by Peter Van Meter for five years.

as a number of other speakers.

I've been instrumental in the development of curriculum for the Sausalito Historical Society Local History Program.

in both MLK Bayside and Willow Creek.

and have enjoyed implementing the program in both schools.

I've found wonderful teachers and students at both Bayside and Willow Creek.

But I've made some observations on the ground. I'm not talking much from reports.

For example, Each of the five years I've been at Bayside, I've watched the program get smaller and smaller. Less art, less music, less math support, no reading specialists, no single subject teachers, fewer aides in the classroom, no student support specialists as they have at Willow Creek.

Now this year I hear, and other people have spoken to this, for the six and eight grades, they have only one full-time teacher.

Think about that.

one full-time teacher for sixth, seventh, and eighth grade, and two part-time teachers that come scrambling into the classroom when they have time, That's no way to run a school.
01:33:51.59 Margaret Badger The other thing I observe is that this FISMAT report, of 2012 It was mentioned there are two reports.

100 recommendations were made to the charter school for compliance and improvements to bring the school into required guidelines.

In the 16 report it notes that only 20 of those were fulfilled.

Then I noticed that a required oversight committee for Willow Creek Academy was simply ignored.
01:34:29.02 Margaret Badger That's shocking to me.

From this I conclude that the school board has a certain attitude.

of entitlement to do what they want and ignore what they don't want.

And one result has been resources at Bayside MLK have suffered.

and the school board has not been held responsible for it. It's time for that to end, and I support the challenging candidates, David Sutro and Deborah Turner.

Thank you.
01:35:09.89 Jill Hoffman Thank you. Thomas Neumeier.

Thomas Neumeyer, Peter.

I think, and Margaret Mac, sorry, Marilyn Mackel.
01:35:22.19 Thomas Neumeier Thank you.
01:35:22.21 Jill Hoffman to the next day.
01:35:22.28 Thomas Neumeier Thank you.
01:35:22.29 Jill Hoffman Sorry.
01:35:22.65 Thomas Neumeier Good evening. I'm Thomas Newmeyer.

board that we're all talking about, the Saucer-Sulman City School District Board, and a couple of points. One for clarity, one of the earlier speakers said that it's time for there to be an end to board members on both the Willow Creek Board and the District Board, and that is not true. No members serve on both of the boards. Number two, and a bigger issue, is we hear a lot of public comment early in meetings and tend to get to finances later in the meetings. You might be familiar with that.

What has happened over this period of growth that Will and Bill spoke about earlier is that as you grow and your revenues do not grow, you run into very difficult financial problems or financial challenges. And we grapple well after the very emotional statements have been made by the public and by various constituents for both the schools, and I can tell you that both The constituents for Bayside and for Willow Creek are always angry with us. Nobody feels like they're getting enough. Willow Creek certainly feels that at their per-pupil funding from the district that it is totally inadequate to run their program, and MLK feels the same way. We're torn up about this. But as we had a massive grant from the Marin Community Foundation that dwindled as the population soared, it's been very, very difficult to meet all the needs. I'm extremely, we put a lot of time and effort because Willow Creek has their own independent board, we spend most of our time grappling with how to handle the challenges at MLK.

I'm extremely pleased about the hiring of Will McCoy. We hired Will McCoy as an agent of change. Will has tremendous background in helping diverse populations, free and reduced lunch, children of need. His focus is very squarely on getting MLK students up to par.

It's going to be a challenge. I think we have the man and the team in place to do it. I think we have the staffing ratios to do it. And I would ask that I hear about a lot of volunteerism at MLK, which I think is fantastic. When you desegregate the data, though, there's equal suffering at Willow Creek. And my wife, for one, works with two children, a foster child from Wren City and another child from Wren City that are two grade levels below. She works with them about 45 minutes a day. And it is an infinite challenge. The challenges are there for both schools. And we are doing our darndest on the board. And I think we do have a brighter future with Will to make this work. Thank you.
01:38:27.50 Jill Hoffman Thank you. Peter and I have Marilyn McEl and Dr. Shirley Thornton.
01:38:36.76 Peter Sapienza Mayor Hoffman, City Council, fellow citizens, my name is Peter Sapienza, Sausalito resident, I volunteer at Bayside Elementary for over six years.

I am the campaign manager for the campaign to elect David Sudo and Deborah Turner.

to the school board.

I'm happy to hear Mr. Neumeier's comments about the devotion of the Willow Creek board to ensuring maximum educational and social benefit for the children at Willow Creek Academy, I wish that I could say the same in terms of evaluation.

of outcomes for the district board towards Bayside MLK.

Um,
01:39:37.71 Peter Sapienza I would love to have, I just want to say I've heard I have comments about the cost of Um, teaching students at Bayside MLK to be everywhere from 16,500 dollars a year per student.

to $30,000 per year.

A member of the board made that $30,000 a year statement on television recently.

And I was hoping Mr. Withy would pursue more his line of questioning of Mr. McCoy, about, I would love to see a detailed flow chart about where the money goes, the 16,500 or 30,000. Because the implication is, that Bayside MLK is A bottomless pit into which We are throwing taxpayers dollars and it's impossible to get any benefit from it.

That's the word on the street. I don't believe it, and I don't like that line of reasoning. The 2012 FICMAT report, was commissioned for a reason, there was a problem, perceived problem back then in 2012 with the fiscal and decision making, I think, of the school board.

Four years later, the new report was commissioned.

Only 20% of the recommendations We're in compliance.

Why was that? What was the board thinking?

Did they think that they could ignore it, that there was no problem?

Regarding this report, I do not need this report to know why I am standing here. I know there's a problem.

Several years ago I was involved in Opposing the removal of the Bayside Elementary back into Marin City, I didn't like it.

I still don't like it since that period of time.

Thank you, there has been progressive deterioration at Bayside MLK.

Um, And I, Just indulge me for a second.

Mr. McCoy said that all the pieces are in place, all he has to do is put them back together again.

And I also would like to know where have the pieces been sitting in the meantime that they can now be put back together.

And why has it taken this long to put them back together? Thank you.
01:42:03.75 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Marilyn Mackel, Dr. Thornton, and then Shirley Gutierrez.
01:42:10.21 Marilyn McEl Good evening and thank you for convening this meeting. I think it's very, very important. My name is Marilyn McEl. I reside in Marin City.

And some years ago, I came to visit Marin City. I was sitting, I was on a bench in, commissioner in the juvenile court in the and actually foster care court, dependency court in Los Angeles for about 20 years. And I came to visit my friend Shirley Thornton and the board was having a discussion about race. And I said, well, I'm gonna go to that meeting.

Why are they eight years ago talking about race in Marin City?

well.

I've been going to board meetings ever since. I've moved here since then.

The board of the Sausalito-Marin City School District has a sworn responsibility to the district school.

It has oversight responsibility of Willow Creek. Willow Creek has this on board.

Any board of directors has an absolute duty A duty, a fiduciary duty.

to serve the responsibility for which they're sworn, the district school, in this instance. It's a fiduciary duty.

That FITMAP report really addresses the breach of that fiduciary duty over and over by this board.

I have spent many a month, a day, a time before the board saying, why weren't you at the art exhibit at the Hanson Gallery? Why weren't you at the Hannah Gallery?

Why weren't you board members here for the events of the children of the school that you represent, that you work for?

You can go look at the plumbing at Willow Creek.

when it's not working, as reported by the management of Will Creek.

but you can't come to events at the school that you're responsible for. There has been this entire appearance of impropriety, of conflict of interest that has existed since I have come to this town and I gather before, but when I came to the town, the school was a performing school. It was declining, but it had been a performing school.

This board has been in conflict of interest. I learned today.

Shocking.

that the wife of Mr. Newmeyer is on the foundation board. She's the treasurer of it for Willow Creek.

Josh Barrow is on the foundation board for Roller Creek. They're on the school board. That doesn't avoid lawyers in this room. You have to avoid the appearance of impropriety. That doesn't get to that. These are very real issues, and I can't believe how much it's coming back and forth. And pardon me, I have a cold.

It's coming back and forth every day. And I've been away for a month and I'm still getting information that's just unheard of. This school passed a bond some years back.

My understanding is that that original bond, which built Martin Luther King's school, was designed to have Martin Luther King serve as a junior high school Middle school, excuse me.

And they would have a charter school here, And elementary school, charter schools, elementary school over here, Bayside and Willow Creek.

Someone sitting in this room right here who spoke first said, You must have been smoking something. If you thought we were going to sit out and cancel the Marin City.

That's what this FitNac report is about.

It's about the failure to integrate the schools.

It's about the fact that the doctor here Said we can't read his name because of his writing. I understand that.

It's about the failure to integrate the schools, and that's the problem.

One last point. The school just spent $185,000 on a bond that they didn't even file. Oh.

The bond primarily deserved Willow Creek. $185,000 could have put this school on its feet for the past two years, Bayside, without any problems. It's a question of racial disparity. No one's talking about it. No one's being upfront. No one, we love Willow Creek.

Not even an issue.

The issue is a board's responsibility and duty, fiduciary duty, to serve the community that they're sworn to serve. Thank you.
01:45:50.09 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Dr. Horton.

Thank you.

And my last card I have is Rachel Gutierrez. So if anybody else wants to speak.
01:45:58.56 Shirley Thornton I'm married.
01:45:58.94 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
01:45:59.04 Shirley Thornton My name is Dr. Shirley Thornton. This is a first for me.

Don't get up and speak.

but the last two years I served as an assistant principal at Bayside MLK.

And I got off of the board because I believed that we could show changes at the school.

We ask consistently for assistance and help.

We brought the data together to show that the kids were not performing at the level they should.

that we have students who have trauma in their lives, and that we needed to bring about a support system to help them.

It was said earlier, and I always wear my shirt, that in 2008, we were considered at Bayside to be a California distinguished school.

with George Stratagas and I when we looked at changing of the district so that we would be schools of choice.

I really went full hearted into that believing that we would have equity and equality at both schools.

I can tell you at Bayside Martin Luther King.

We did not have a counselor last year.

We did not have the, we had Music K2.

We did not have the art program that we should have. We did not have a foreign language program. Yet we expect our children to be able to go out and compete with others where they have those services. All we're asking for at Bayside Martin Luther King is that we have fair, equitable treatment for our students.

We have wonderful students.

but they have to be held to a rigorous standard, and we have to support them once we set that goal high.

Ms. Newton and I did a call to action because we saw that we were not having the success that we needed at the school. We still don't have that. There's no way a middle school can exist with one full-time teacher.

We have teachers who are teaching across the board instead of single subject, which is what you're supposed to have at the middle school. So we're only here asking for what is fair, what is just, and what our students need. Thank you.
01:48:09.65 Jill Hoffman Thank you. Rachel Gutierrez and Natasha Burton.
01:48:18.58 Rachel Guterres Hi, I'm Rachel Guterres. I'm a student at Bayside MLK in the seventh and eighth grade combined class.

Um...

Well, it's kind of sad, because I've been with this district since I was in kindergarten.

and watching it being built when I was in preschool, And It's sad to hear how this school is being changed and everything, and I'm just still, it's hard to get through the day Knowing that you're gonna see the same teachers every day I mean, every class period. And it's hard for some teachers to teach because If For example, our Tech teacher, our math teacher, and our assistant principal are all the same person.

and She's not, she's there and it's hard because We're hard, it's hard to Excuse me.

Everything's not set still, and it's the sixth, seventh week into school. We just got our books yesterday for our school, for our classes.

And there was a substitute for the first three days of school.

and for a whole week, the second week into school, because the principal had to step out for something, It's still sad seeing that All right.

All these changes.

are supposed to happen, but they haven't happened.

And our teachers are just tired after going home, and everything, and it's sad that our art class is in a room with no sink, so we can't paint, we can't do anything, all we can do is draw.

And...

It's just not.

Hey.

Good.

So, yeah.

it.
01:50:26.49 Jill Hoffman Thank you. Very well done. Excellent.
01:50:32.45 Jill Hoffman Natasha.
01:50:36.58 Unknown Hello, everyone.

I've been involved with the group that's been meeting the community to look at what has been going on with the children not meeting the their grade level.

since last November. And over this time, I have listened, went to every, just about every board meeting since then, and I've, determine that the board really is the problem.

Um...

And I think that it has gone on long enough that this board has this, that the board, the South City of Marin City MLK Bayside with their decisions. It's time for a change. It's time for a new vision.

I I have...

brought, um, I brought a concern to one of the board members about, um, I'll say that I've been in the classroom, I observed three classrooms, because I wanted to see how the environment was. And during my time there, this was last year, that I observed, I'm the, inappropriate response to a child's behavior that escalated, where the child completely shut down and just start rocking. Holding their backpack, I expressed this to one of the board members, and immediately they raised their hand and said, I'm just a volunteer.

Um, I have heard one of the board members say when we talked about performance and data that they hadn't seen any data in the seven years they've been on the board. How is that?

Um, And I just spoke to a parent today who told me that their sixth, seventh, and eighth grader, because they have a sixth, seventh, and eighth grader, they all got the same math homework.

I was, and to hear that, in addition to some other complaints that they had.

And I also talked to a teenager today who graduated from MLK, who said that they got to TAM and they couldn't keep up.

So, and they acted out.

And they acted out so bad they ended up in county school.

which that means that they had a long, and I think that's a very And this is really perpetuating a long future of setting kids up to fail in a world that we have to compete The board is full of, the board is educated. I cannot understand how an educated board is letting down the kids in Marin City.

I am also a social worker.

And having an education in the role that I had to take.

and how much time you spend trying to backtrack and spin your wheels. Spend extra money if you make it to college.

to do.

To take remedial, I mean, it costs, thank you.
01:53:43.10 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

you Okay, I have no more speaker cards. That means that...

I will bring it back up to City Council. We have nothing to vote on. This was an informational for us this evening. Do we have any City Council discussion?

I don't think so. Any comments from city council?
01:54:03.60 Unknown Well...
01:54:03.91 Jill Hoffman Good.
01:54:05.34 Unknown My comment.

Is it sad?

I moved out here 40 years ago, came from Boston. We were in the 60s.

We looked at segregation and hoped that we would move ahead And they look here 40 years later.

BEING HERE.

And I almost get the same feeling that we haven't.

and education.

As we all know here, that's the only way out.

You have to educate.

The biggest problem that we had even on the debate was jobs.

Well, we have to educate our people, and we have to create jobs that will take us into the next phase of how America is going to grow.

It really hurts me to find that segregation. And we see it, we see it in Ferguson, we see it around the country. What are we doing?

What are we doing to our children? We're setting them up to fail.

And that's not acceptable to me. So I hope that even take Bayside and Willow Creek, whatever you do, even if you have to put them together, It has to be done.

We, there's no excuse for not educating our children and getting them ready, especially here in Marin County. We should be ashamed of ourselves.
01:55:43.11 Margaret Badger I'm real.
01:55:50.94 Unknown I want to thank everyone for coming tonight. Our schools are our most important priority, both for the children and for our community, how it revitalizes our community. Certainly, Willow Creek and the way it's advanced in the last 10 years has really made a difference in people coming into the community and really making a difference to Sausalito. But we have to make sure that we have a school district that has two schools, and we have to make sure that they both do well. There's a lot of people who are and we but we have to make sure that we have a school district that has two schools and we have to make sure that they both do well they're both our schools and I like the new superintendent's emphasis on this is collaborative and I like what I think what the audience has said most of what you said is you know we love Willow Creek we have to work Bayside. As one person who is a Willow Creek supporter said, maybe this FICMAC report, while she didn't like it, maybe it brings the focus on our problems at Bayside, and we need to work on them. So I think that's really important. I think, as the superintendent said, we have to focus on the children. And I have a lot of hope in his statement that we have the pieces to put together. But if we work together on this, and I think it's really important as we get into these elections and as we focus on this and as we make our responses to FICMAC, we have our election that we're looking at. This is not about blaming anybody. There's a lot of people here that put a lot of work to make these schools better. We have a lot of people who have tutored. We have people that have helped start Willow Creek. The important thing is that we need to work together to make them both successful. And thank you all for coming tonight.
01:57:26.42 Unknown Yes, I want to thank everyone for coming as well. Well, I learned so much this evening, but I'm still left with questions and concerns. It's clear Willow Creek in Sauceldo is a success story. It's also clear Bayside MLK needs to be a success story too. We need to, in my opinion, When I hear things like no counselors, no textbooks the first three weeks, no single subject teachers, and the blended grades, so many of this is unacceptable. And I would encourage the current board to collaborate with the communities and and figure out what the action is. Like you heard up here, it's stop the pointing fingers and the blame. What's the action? What is the vision? And it's a shared vision. It's a shared vision for both communities because there's so much pride. I can hear the pride and the vision of what it is and what could be in the parents who spoke tonight. The community is what makes these schools, and we clearly have work to be done to help Bayside MLK, and I just really, really encourage everyone to work together and collaborate and figure out what that action plan needs to look like, because it's really clear that something is broken and we need to take action now to fix that. And working together, I know we'll get there. So thank you.
01:59:16.80 Unknown Everybody who made a contribution tonight made a valuable contribution.

Thank you.

I'm not sure.

Um, It would, I've actually, I know nothing about education.

I am, however, I've had the good fortune of being extremely well educated. And education changed my life.

I'm here in this country because of education. I grew up in the UK and education made what I am.

Thank you.

um, The principles surely have to be, as the superintendent said, to focus on the children.

And it would seem to me that...

If we accept the principle that the challenges ahead that our new superintendent faces and I think that's a good thing.

of whatever conversation is going to face is how to move forward without in any way damaging all the good work that's been done at Willow Creek and the children at Willow Creek. But at the same time, find the policies and procedures so that the children, again, at Bayside achieve Uh, great education and achieve great educational outcomes.

There's another focus on children I just want to make.

And that is growing up in the UK, When I was ten years old.

the whole of the education system in Britain was being changed. That time, when you reached 11 years old, you'd take an examination and you'd figure out whether you were going to go to the so-called grammar school or whether you were going to go to a school with different sort of streaming, less academic.

The Labour government under Harold Wilson was introducing the concept of comprehensive education.

It evolved, things evolved as they always do. But I remember then, in 1965, as a 10-year-old kid, how scared it was to be continually around the dinner table at night, or in the classroom, or in church, and all you were hearing about was whether your school was going to be there next year.
02:02:27.61 Unknown Thank you.
02:02:29.19 Unknown So I think perhaps we should be all a little mindful about the fact that our children, as part of this conversation, might not be quite getting it. Thanks.
02:02:45.95 Jill Hoffman So thanks for everybody for coming tonight and participating in this discussion.

Both of our communities care about the schools in our district. I will say that I have read the FICMAT report and I was offended both personally and on behalf of our town by the comments that were made in that report regarding segregation with regard to the school district, with regard to claims that special needs students were denied admittance to Willow Creek Academy, that Willow Creek Academy was made up of affluent white students. Those are direct quotes from the FICMAT report, and that's why people are so upset about the FICMAT report. Again, the students at Willow Creek Academy, 41% are from Sausalito, 37% are from Marin City, African Americans.

make up 12%.

Latinos, 27%. Asian Pacific Islanders, 8%.

white students 43% and others 10%. So there's a greater diversity of students from all ethnicities at Willow Creek Academy as opposed to MLK. So those are facts. And so when you talk about Funding.

That the students at MLK per student get 16,000, the students at Willow Creek Academy, 9,000. No one's mentioned the bond that was passed in 2004. I think maybe somebody actually talked about the bond. The bond was district wide. The bond was almost 16 million that all residents in the district in Sausalito and Marin City voted for to build MLK.

the campus over MLK. So I find it, I find And all the people that came and spoke this evening that volunteer countless hours at both schools, at both MLK from both communities, not just Marin City. There are numerous significant people from Sausalito who have dedicated significant hours to the success of MLK. That wasn't referenced. In fact, that was not even.

acknowledged in the FICMAT report. So, you know, and I'm glad that there was a person here from the district. I would like to see a comprehensive retraction from the district on those inaccuracies in FICMAT, in the FICMAT report that was...

I was asked to be done by the district. So I think we are all in agreement that the failures at MLK are not acceptable. They are systemic, long standing, historic failures of that school.

acceptable, we need to have a clear eyed review of those failures and identification of why those failures are happening and a path forward. And I'm very glad that Will McCoy is here. I'm very glad that he's taken the actions that he has and that we're moving forward. And I hope that we can all work as a community to make sure that both of our schools are successful because I think that's the only thing that's acceptable.

with regard to both communities. So thank you, and thank you for your participation in coming this evening. And that ends our discussion on that item, thanks.
02:06:26.74 Jill Hoffman Do we need to take a break? Let's take the National Park Service.

which is our next item and then we'll do the public hearing afterwards.

So we have a report from Danny Castro.

you said.

Oh, okay. We need to have a break. Okay. We're going to have a break.
02:07:30.50 Jill Hoffman Okay.

Thank you.
02:07:31.27 Unknown Thank you.
02:07:31.61 Jill Hoffman All right, sir. Off you go. We've got work to do.
02:07:33.57 Unknown We've got work to do.

Thank you.

Thank you.
02:07:45.67 Jill Hoffman Back on the record. And we are at item 6B with Mary Wagner with regard to the National Park Service release.

Release of lots from Wolfpack Estate Settlement Agreement.
02:08:02.56 Mary Wagner Thank you, Madam Mayor, members of the City Council. As you just indicated, this item is a request from the National Park Service for release of certain lots in the Wolfpack Estates subdivision from the provisions of the settlement agreement upon transfer of these lots to the federal government. So a quick bit of background. In the late 1980s, the city received an application for a CUP to essentially subdivide a 7.4 acre parcel into 13 residential lots. A draft EIR and final EIR was prepared for that project. There was then some litigation. The owners of the lot filed for a writ of mandate in 1990. The trial court issued a decision. It was appealed by the city.

and then remanded back to the trial court. But before the trial court reached its decision on the remand, the parties entered into a settlement agreement, which was then subsequently amended later on.

A couple of quick points on the FEIR, the draft EIR, and final EIR. It had specific provisions related to the impacts on the GGNRA of this proposed development of the 13 lots for residential uses. It included specific mitigation measures, one of which that the city would consult with the GGNRA on anything having to do with those lots and their development. And it also contemplated fee simple acquisition by GGNRA or a transfer of what's defined as the fee simple acquisition by GGNRA, or a transfer of what's defined as the Western lots to the GGNRA. It specifically called out the visual impact, and I put a couple slides in there. They were in your staff report about a couple of provisions in the draft EIR that related to that.

Then the settlement agreement came along and essentially approved the subdivision at 10 lots versus the 13 lots. Those Western property lots, they were lots 9 through 12. They're now lots 7 through 10. And the settlement agreement indicated that these lots would be available for purchase by the GGNRA. If they weren't purchased within four years of entering into the settlement agreement, The lots were subject to development in accordance with city ordinances and any of the conditions in the settlement agreement. The lots were subject to development in accordance with city ordinances and any of the conditions in the FEIR related to that subdivision. The transfer to GGNRA was a condition to the development of the remaining lots in the subdivision, the lots one through six.

Then there was an amendment to the settlement agreement. The final map was actually issued for all 10 lots. It still included provisions that the Western lots could be offered for sale, but that first, the GGNRA had a right of first refusal on those lots before they could be sold to anyone else. That right of first refusal expired in 1997.

So it was contemplated that those lots would actually not be part of the development, and that they wouldn't be subject to the requirements of the settlement agreement. That's just a depiction of the lots. Sorry, I got blown up a little bit, and it looks a little distorted. But as you can see, those western lots are the lots that abut the GGNRA.

another depiction. Those are the lots that are currently in the subdivision and it indicates that three of them, lots one, three, and six are developed and the remaining seven lots are undeveloped.

A QUICK COUPLE OF PICTURES. AND THEN THE CURRENT STATUS AND WHAT WE'RE HERE WITH BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THE CITY DID RECEIVE AN APPLICATION TO DEVELOP 44 WOLFBACK ROAD, WHICH IS LOT 10.

The owners of 44 Wolfback had discussions with the National Park Service about a transfer of that lot to the Park Service, but the application was also moving forward. There's been two hearings in front of the Planning Commission on the development of the lot.

A hearing was continued to October 19th for the Planning Commission's consideration of the project.

Then we recently got the request from the National Park Service for release of lot 7 through 10 from the settlement agreement upon transfer to the federal government. And subsequently the owner of 44 Wolfback asked that the planning commission hearing that is scheduled for October 19th be continued to date uncertain. Sorry, that should be date uncertain.

That's the actual lot, lot ten, the Carson lot, which is also known as 44 Wolfback.

picture of the story polls that was taken from down below from the GGR and Ray lands from the trail there.

You received as late mail a letter from the Park Service that indicated their intent that the property, if it's obtained by the federal government, would be used for conservation purposes and for protection of Mission Blue Butterfly Habitat. That's consistent with the GGNRA 2015 General Management Plan, and I've pulled out a couple of those provisions here that were included in the letter from the Park Service that was provided to you as late mail.

The Park Service has indicated to us, and we've received a copy of a signed release of settlement agreement from the Carsons who own lot 10.

And the Park Service has been told that Alan Patterson, who owns the other three lots, these western lots, is also going to sign it. He's just out of town and won't be back until mid-October.

We also understand that the Park Service has made progress with the acquisition of that Lot 10, and that they're hopeful that that could be completed by the end of the year.

So it's staff's recommendation that the city council adopt the provided resolution and approve the request from the park service for release of lot seven through ten from the Wolfback Estate Settlement Agreement upon transfer to the federal government.

And I'm happy to answer any questions or go into more depth if that would be helpful to the city council.
02:14:01.19 Amy Wilson .

Thank you.
02:14:03.45 Unknown Thank you, Mary.

Why do the why does the federal government need this release from the settlement agreement? I wasn't quite getting there on that one I
02:14:14.79 Mary Wagner Yeah, I apologize for not including that in my presentation. The federal government will not take property subject to restrictions. It's a general tenant of the federal government, and it's been out there for a long time. I know that they're also talking to MMWD about releasing a small waterline easement that's on the property, that some of the conditions in there were not acceptable to the federal government. In order for them to take property with any conditions, they would have to go through the Department of Justice, and I think it would take a considerable amount of time to get that. What I was trying to state in the earlier slides is I don't think that these provisions in the settlement agreement were necessarily intended to apply to these lots back when the agreement was originally entered into. Then it evolved that these lots became available for purchase by a private developer or private property owner, so that they were then subject to these restrictions. So I don't think that the agreement contemplated that the restrictions would be in place if the federal government obtained the properties earlier on when the settlement agreement first went into effect.
02:15:29.24 Unknown Since...

Any questions?

Since we have the federal government here today, I'd like to know why we understand this is part of a potential land swap. Can we get an update about where that is? I know you're asking for this part of it, but it would be nice to put it in some context.
02:15:51.33 Mary Wagner And I apologize, Madam Mayor, I didn't indicate that Mr. Avila was here from the Park Service. It was my understanding he wanted to be an observer and not necessarily a participant in our proceeding this evening, but we're happy that he's here. Thank you.
02:16:01.02 Unknown this evening.

where you are now yeah yeah thank you very much i'm gonna um
02:16:03.55 Unknown Yeah, now.
02:16:07.50 Unknown echo what your city attorney has said i really don't have the details of these or i and if i did i may not be able to share those with you but i just would like to thank you all for moving quickly on this and for your attorney and your city manager and your chief of planning moving along with us at kind of breakneck speed to develop these uh review these uh instruments instruments so it's in and as I watch these proceedings as a non real estate professional quite encouraged is how things are going
02:16:43.20 Unknown And I take it because we're not getting a lot of detail on this, that we're releasing these restrictions only if the United States government purchases this land, correct?
02:16:56.77 Mary Wagner Correct, the release only goes into effect upon the acquisition of a lot or lots by the federal government. And with respect to your prior question about a land swap, that was something that I believe has been replaced with the actual acquisition. It's my, and this is just understanding from talking to the parties who are involved. I don't have any of the details either. But that it's previously there was contemplated a property swap. It's my understanding now that the property's been appraised and they're going through the actual acquisition process.
02:17:26.86 Unknown That's correct. That's the way I understand it as well.
02:17:29.19 Unknown So, and just to clarify, so we're looking at lot 7 through 10 with the purpose of preservation for open space as part of the GGNRA.
02:17:38.57 Mary Wagner Right, they would be held by the government as part of GGNRA and that management plan provisions that we had up there would apply.

Thank you.
02:17:49.86 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
02:17:49.88 Mary Wagner Thank you.
02:17:49.93 Jill Hoffman Okay, any other questions?

Okay, do we public comment?

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
02:18:00.93 Joan Cox you Hi, Joan Cox. Danny Castro announced this hearing to us at our last Planning Commission meeting and I had one question.

Once this property is transferred to the GGNRA and the obligations of the settlement agreement relieved, what is to prevent the GGNRA from reselling these parcels to other parties in 10 or 20 years.

when they would no longer be Um, constrained by the terms of the settlement agreement. So just like you to consider that in your deliberation. Thanks.
02:18:43.81 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Any other public comments?
02:18:45.72 Joan Cox Thank you.
02:18:48.15 Jill Hoffman See none.

Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay.

There is none.
02:18:53.58 Unknown Thank you.
02:18:53.60 Jill Hoffman Yeah.
02:18:53.87 Unknown Thank you.

Can I ask our city attorney to address .
02:18:58.27 Jill Hoffman to.
02:18:58.36 Unknown that point because well, and what's potential safeguards of what would happen in that event?
02:18:58.48 Mary Wagner Thank you.
02:19:05.00 Mary Wagner Sure. So if the federal government were to acquire the property and then subsequently wanted to transfer it, it would need to go through the processes that it has in place, including You know, the property transfer provisions that we dealt with when the VA wanted to sell the machine shop property, it had to be offered to other governmental entities and then put out to other potential, first federal governmental entities, then local governmental entities, and then it could be offered to others if no one picked it up. The property is still part of Sausalito. So even if the government went through, the federal government went through a process to transfer the property, it would still be of Sausalito. So even if the federal government went through a process to transfer the property, it would still be in Sausalito jurisdiction. So if it were, say, acquired by a private property, owner who wanted to build a house. While it wouldn't be subject necessarily to the provisions of the settlement agreement, it would be subject to the city's zoning provisions and would have to go through whatever city process it would have to be developed, including CEQA, so that we would go through a CEQA review and have the opportunity then to impose whatever conditions were necessary to mitigate any impacts of the project.
02:20:20.12 Unknown I just have a response to that just because I've seen how CEQA does and does not work sometimes. So, I mean, can we do something with framing this such that it's understood that this should be held as open space and part of the GDNRA, in other words, not developed? You know, it's not.

can we provide some framework like that in this agreement in releasing this?
02:20:47.23 Mary Wagner And that was why we asked for the letter that we got from the Park Service. It's my understanding that they don't have the ability to impose a more stringent condition on the property that they're indicated that it would be part of the GGNRA and subject to that management plan and treated like the rest of the property there.

Yeah.
02:21:12.95 Unknown Mary, could you help me understand what are the extra provisions in the settlement agreement that would further restrict what? Something, as opposed in addition to our zoning ordinance, above our zoning ordinance?
02:21:30.57 Mary Wagner There are particular additional architectural standards and design standards about how those residential lots would have been developed. They would have to use certain materials, build a certain way into the hillside to try and reduce any impacts to the GGNRA. There's a Mission Blue Butterfly habitat area that has to be protected on lot 10. There's an actual area that is defined that has to be excluded from development and a buffer zone in between that property and any residential house. So there's those types of standards.
02:22:11.63 Unknown But in agreeing to this, we're in no way compromising our basic land use rights for those lots, because they're in the city of Sausalito.
02:22:29.67 Mary Wagner Well, when the property is owned by the federal government, then we don't have those land use controls. But if it were to be transferred to a private developer or a private owner, those controls would come back into effect. Mm-hmm.
02:22:43.03 Unknown So when it transfers to the GGNRA, then it falls, like you said, under their general plan and their jurisdiction.

I guess I would assume then we don't need to do anything like rezone it, like away from residential and, you know, just historically clarify it should be open space?

let go of that control, correct?
02:23:15.28 Mary Wagner We do let go of our zoning ordinance control over the property. I think that's a good point and something that we can follow up with the Park Service about, about whether it would be more appropriate to have it zoned open space, since it is in fact not residential development any longer. And we can certainly work with their property department on that once, if and when the properties are acquired.
02:23:40.81 Unknown Is that something we would...

we would include in some way in our motion or THEIR HOME.
02:23:47.92 Mary Wagner you I think that you could give that direction to staff that we go back and talk to the representatives that we've been dealing with in the property department and work with them to ensure that that moves forward if it's appropriate once the federal government acquires title.
02:24:05.43 Unknown .
02:24:07.93 Unknown Thank you.
02:24:07.94 Jill Hoffman Okay.
02:24:08.35 Unknown Thank you.
02:24:08.72 Jill Hoffman Any other questions or discussion?
02:24:10.54 Unknown So just a clarification that when we make this motion, we should include direction to staff to work with the NPS to consider rezoning as open space. Correct. Okay, thank you. I'll make the motion. Sure. Are we ready for a motion? I think we are. Approve a request from the National Park Service for release of lots 7 through 10 from the Wolfpack Estate Settlement Agreement upon transfer to the federal government and direct staff to discuss with the NPS rezoning these lots for open space.
02:24:33.65 Jill Hoffman I think we are.
02:24:54.07 Jill Hoffman Second. All in favor?
02:24:55.85 Unknown Thank you.
02:24:55.97 Jill Hoffman Aye. Motion carries. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. All right. We're now moving to item...
02:24:56.12 Unknown Hi.
02:25:05.88 Jill Hoffman 5 on the public hearing items.

We're only.

50 minutes behind schedule. Oh, no. Yes.
02:25:22.60 Jill Hoffman So we'll start, I guess we'll start with, so this is appeal to the Planning Commission decision denying a design review permit to demolish an existing single family residence and construct a 3,902 square foot, two level single family residence, re-roof an existing detached two car garage, construct two new driveways with a maximum slope of 25%, construct terrace retaining walls and a tree alteration permit at 2 Crescentia Drive. first we'll do disclosures of expertise construct terrace retaining walls and a tree alteration permit at 2 Crescentia Drive. First we'll do disclosures of ex parte communications. I'll go first. I walked the property this weekend and today I went by and looked at the proposed um story polls from 20 crescentia avenue and i did speak with the homeowner Any other disclosures?
02:26:19.98 Unknown I visited the premises and the architect, and two of the owners, and we and reviewed the Planning Commission video of the Planning Commission meeting.
02:26:31.06 Unknown Thank you.

And I visited the property and walked the site from both sides, both properties. And I think it was 20 Crescenta Drive and then 2 Crescenta Drive. And talked with the owner at 20 Crescenta Drive as well well as, who was, as well as, was, I guess, Michael Heckman was the architect? Yeah. At 2 Crescenta Drive.
02:27:09.20 Unknown Yeah, I also met...

with the 20 press the enter drive. I didn't meet with to press the enter drive kiss. Chris the enter drive, but I did walk the property. I know the property pretty well because fellow named bill remack used to own that maybe. 50 years ago.
02:27:20.93 Unknown Thank you.
02:27:21.05 Unknown Thank you.
02:27:21.08 Unknown you
02:27:21.15 Unknown Thank you.
02:27:21.16 Unknown Thank you.
02:27:33.40 Unknown This morning I also visited the property. The architectural team was there. I also went over and visited 20 Crescenta.
02:27:52.70 Jill Hoffman Thanks. Okay, thank you. Danny, go ahead.
02:27:55.98 Danny Castro Good evening, Mayor Hoffman, members of the Council. I'm Danny Castro, the Community Development Director. And the issue before you this evening is an appeal of the Planning Commission's decision denying a design review permit and tree alteration permit for the property located at 2 Crescenta Drive.
02:28:08.70 Unknown Thank you.
02:28:08.74 Unknown Thank you.
02:28:08.78 Unknown Ooh.
02:28:15.30 Danny Castro The...

Project, proposed project, again, as I mentioned, is a design review permit and a tree alteration permit.

to demolish the existing 1,300 square foot residents, to construct a 3,900 square foot two level single family residence, re-roof an existing detached two-car garage, construct two new concrete driveways, construct terrace retaining walls, and alter the canopy of a protected coast live oak tree on the property.

The applicant is Michael Heckman of Heckman Architects, and the property owner is National Housing Group LLC and Frijoles de Familia LLC.

The Planning Commission held four public hearings on May 11th, May 25th, July 6th, and July 20th. At the May 11th meeting, the item was continued. It was not introduced to the Planning Commission. However, on May 25th, the project was fully introduced to the Planning Commission, in which, in that date, the Planning Commission provided comments to the applicant. It was agreed to be continued, and that was to the July 6th meeting.

On July 6th, the Planning Commission reviewed design revisions by the applicant and
02:29:28.54 Unknown Uh,
02:29:34.43 Danny Castro have found that the revisions were not satisfactory to make all of the findings that are required to approve a design review.

And directed staff to prepare a resolution for denial.

That came on July 20th, in which the Planning Commission voted 4-0 for denial.

and denied the application based on not being able to make four of the 13 findings that must be made in order to approve the project.

Here is a list of all, I think it's one through seven, but there's 13 design review permit findings that have to be made in order to approve a project. And what I will be highlighting here, of the 13, are there four, and you'll see it come up in red. Design review finding number two, number three.

number six, and then for the remainder, number nine. So those are the four findings that the Planning Commission could not make and therefore, denied the project. And I will go into more detail later in later slides on these four findings. To give you some project background, this is the location of the site. It's a reversed pie-shaped lot with a parcel area of approximately 17,000 square feet. It's an upslope parcel in that coming from Crescenta, it slopes up and towards the Interstate 101 Highway.

Um, The neighborhood consists of single family dwellings that's consistent with the R18 zoning district.

Here is an aerial view with the 2 Crescenta site to the very right on that screen, and then a neighboring property 20 Crescenta, as well as 26 to the very left of the screen.

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Give some background. In 1999, a resolution was approved for a project. It came before a review board of the city in which an architectural site plan review for a 4,800-square-foot house was approved, a detached garage and a cabana.

an eight-foot-high sound wall. This was a variance request, and that was a sound wall to mitigate the the sound of the freeway towards the rear of the property.

and 14 foot high retaining walls in association with the development. That was approved in 1999.

and the The particular condition was included in that resolution that the entitlements expire in five years from that, the date of its approval, if the permit's not exercised within a five-year period.

In 2004, just before the expiration of that five year period, the property owner timely filed a building permit and began slowly making improvements to the property, Carriage House was in fact built, but the house was not. And so there are peers, foundation peers that currently exist on the property that can be used for the new project, if a project were to come on this project.

The variance is carried over to this particular proposal. They are, and the variance does run with the land, so it's something they've incorporated.

And that's for that eight foot high sound wall.

the Here's just a a visual of site plans showing the existing residents
02:33:13.26 Unknown existing residents.
02:33:15.07 Danny Castro The upper part of this screen is the crescenta, so if you can orient where you are, and then the existing residence located at the very top with the existing carriage house garage located adjacent to the street.
02:33:33.04 Danny Castro Here are existing improvements, photographs of existing improvements.
02:33:39.28 Danny Castro And here is a very detailed proposed site plan. The project, again, entails a new 3,900 square foot two level single family residence.

The blue here that's showing up is...

new driveways that would be included on the project. And because of the slope of the property, The two driveways would be about 24 to 25% in slope, and that triggers a design review by the Planning Commission.

And then lastly, main components of this property is that the carriage house would then be there would be also driveway access to the carriage house.

Here is the proposed elevation that was presented to the Planning Commission of the front of the plan.

The upper level balcony that you see to the left of this is surrounded by a 42-inch high guardrail design of metal framing and glass infill. That left portion of the design is set back about 14 feet from the lower level, about a 48 feet of length, and then 14 feet of depth. Here's a master bedroom section that projects out about two feet from the lower level, As presented to the planning commission.
02:35:06.42 Danny Castro The east side elevation, this is the...

side facing 20 crescenta,
02:35:15.32 Danny Castro Here's the west elevation.

Um, The exterior materials is a blend of trowel finish cement stucco and horizontal wood siding in a natural finish.
02:35:28.04 Unknown The rift has
02:35:28.33 Danny Castro The roof design is flat with the exception of the element here that It's situated towards the front, which is the master bedroom on the second level, which has a curved roof.

And here's the south rear elevation.

Here's a chart that shows that the project does comply with the zoning development standards in terms of the setbacks, front, sides, and rear, its height, Its building coverage, its floor area, its impervious surface area, and the number of parking spaces all are in compliant with the city's R18 zoning district.

In terms of general plan consistency, the project is low density residential land use designation, And we identified here a number of the land use objectives in which the project is consistent with.

So following the Planning Commission meeting of July, in late July, an appeal was filed of that Planning Commission denial.

The appeal was filed by Joe Joseph. He's on behalf of the Property Owners National Housing Group and Familia de Frijoles.

On the basis that the proposed project is consistent with land use and zoning, The project adds a compatible and creative design, and the request is to overturn the planning commissions in denial of the exterior design.

So I'm going to go over these next four slides, go over the four findings in which the Planning Commission's basis for denial of the project. Finding number two was that the Planning Commission's basis for denial was that the project's architecture and site design is not complimentary to the surrounding neighborhood.

and does not conform to the uphill slope The design has a looming effect over the uphill slope.

because an upper level portion steps out versus stepping back and it appears incongruous with the rest of the body of the structure.

The project's green lattice screen and the roof form of the projected upper level does not mitigate the looming effect and does not introduce a creative solution to the site's uphill environment. The use of stucco is not complementary to the surrounding homes in the neighborhood.
02:37:34.81 Joan Cox Yeah.
02:37:45.88 Danny Castro And the appellant's response indicates that the design review permit finding number two does not require design to conform to the slopes. Instead, number two suggests introducing distinctive and creative solutions which take advantage of the unique characteristics of the site. We believe that our master bedroom and roof design does just that.

Finding number three is another finding the Planning Commission could not make.

And in their findings, the resolution states, the project is not consistent with the general scale of the residences in the surrounding neighborhood due to its looming effect over the hillside. The project is incongruous to the nature of the site and appears out of place to its location and lack of integration into the topography of the site. The appellant's response is that the project size is well within Sausalito's height and bulk restrictions, smaller than many homes in the area, and that the finding number three as follows. They quote a staff report that numerous residents along Crescenta Drive are uphill parcels and existing residences are positioned above the street level conforming to the steep sloping topography and,
02:38:19.39 Unknown Bye.
02:38:19.41 Unknown I'm not.
02:38:19.61 Unknown Thank you.
02:39:04.65 Danny Castro The project follows a natural topography of the uphill parcels and is complementary to other structures in the neighborhood.

The third finding that the Planning Commission cannot make is finding number six, in that their resolution states the proposed landscaping is not sufficient enough to mitigate the visual mass between the carriage house and the residence.

The proposed landscape design is not sufficiently balanced against the 63% of impervious surface area.

The appellant's response is we disagree with the assessment and look forward to sharing with you more detail about why We also, the appellant, are open to discussing different approaches to the landscaping.

And finally, design review permit number nine, in which the Planning Commission could not is that the project does not provide a reasonable level of privacy to the adjacent property at 20 Crescenta Drive Because the east elevation includes two operable tilt-in windows at the lower portion of the windows, which would create adverse privacy impacts, Additionally, location of trees on the east elevation to mitigate privacy may be in conflict with the California Fire Code for vegetative growth within a distance of 10 feet of the chimney.
02:40:20.38 Shirley Thornton Oops.
02:40:23.79 Danny Castro The appellant's response is that side house windows are very common in the neighborhood, as stated we would be happy to pursue alternatives such as glazing and awnings as noted by the Planning Department.

So there are three main design revisions that the architect included in their appeal application to the City Council, and wished for the City Council to consider these design revisions. And here's some graphic images of that. Number one is pulling the upper level master bedroom back two feet so that it is flush with the house support columns. This revision reduces the size of the residents from 3,903 to 3,867. Their intent here was to minimize that looming effect that the Planning Commission addressed.

Another, number two, was adding additional trees between the carriage house and the main home.

to mitigate the visual mass of the residents and Also includes removing the two trees along the east elevation, although that doesn't show it here, regarding the potential for fire hazard.

And so here's an image of the area right here between this is the carriage house, here's the house, and then they've included at least three trees in between those two.
02:41:54.87 Danny Castro And the third item is relocating the tilt-out, tilt-in window openings from the bottom to the top of the larger fixed non-operable windows located high enough so there is no direct line of sight to the 20 Crescenta residents, the neighboring property to the east.

One other project change was a, here is the start of the terrace or balcony, which includes a six foot high translucent glass, meaning frosted glass enclosure. Originally it was glass, clear glass and lower at 42 inches. And this is shown at six feet and then translucent frosted glass.

to minimize privacy impacts.

So the Planning Commission found, as I summarized, that four of the design review permit findings could not be made.

THE CITY COUNCIL MAY CONSIDER the new design revisions and determine if these findings can now be made to approve the project.
02:43:00.75 Unknown Thank you.
02:43:02.99 Danny Castro Staff finds that the new design revisions address the issues concerning the project design, landscaping, and privacy, and recommends that the findings can now be made to approve the project.

So with that, staff recommends that the four design review permits findings can now be made with the incorporation of these proposed design revisions, and recommends option one, which approves the appeal, approving the design review permit, and tree permit with incorporation of these alternative design revisions. In your packet is a draft resolution, attachment number three.

Other options are to approve the appeal, approving the design review permit and tree alteration permit. And these are the plans again presented to the Planning Commission, that were presented to the Planning Commission.
02:43:54.55 Unknown Thank you.
02:43:54.56 Danny Castro Thank you.

Or three, deny the appeal and adopt a resolution which upholds the Planning Commission denial of the design review permit and tree permit.

Number four, continue the public hearing for additional information and or project revisions.

Or number five, remand the project to the Planning Commission and provide specific direction on any particular issues.

When a project is remanded, it goes back to the Planning Commission to address specific issues, and then it returns back to the City Council for final approval.

And that concludes my report.

I'm available to answer any questions.
02:44:36.56 Jill Hoffman Mm-mm.

Thanks, Danny.

I don't have any questions. Does anybody else have any questions on Danny's presentation?
02:44:46.30 Unknown Thank you.
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02:44:47.09 Jill Hoffman What?
02:44:47.26 Unknown .
02:44:47.33 Unknown Okay.
02:44:48.41 Unknown Sorry.
02:44:48.76 Jill Hoffman .
02:44:48.85 Unknown Thank you.
02:44:48.88 Jill Hoffman I'm excited to be here.
02:44:49.86 Unknown Thank you.
02:44:50.42 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Thank you.
02:44:50.84 Unknown Yeah, Danny, you had this, I think the slide before you said they made some changes and
02:44:50.99 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
02:44:51.04 Unknown Bye.
02:44:51.16 Unknown .

Yeah.
02:44:52.19 Unknown Thank you.
02:44:52.70 Unknown Thank you.
02:44:58.84 Unknown make the recommendation, but finding number three, that the proposed project design is not considered with the general scale of the residents in the surrounding neighborhood due to its looming effect over the hillside. That's with the Planning Commission. That was one of the reasons they could not make finding number three. Staff, I don't see any change on that, and I don't see staff addressing that. So that was a concern of the Planning Commission. I don't see that's been addressed or has it? I guess the question is, has it been addressed and what's staff's response to finding number three and what the Planning Commission found on that issue?
02:45:36.39 Danny Castro Yeah.

The Planning Commission had discussion regarding, if I can point, the master bedroom that that the original design projects two feet out.

and the planning commission felt that that if revisions can be made such that it steps back as opposed to stepping out from the lower level, that would improve this looming effect that the Planning Commission has.
02:46:05.58 Unknown CONSIDERING.
02:46:07.64 Danny Castro stated.

So, this proposed alternative design steps it back to feet.

The remainder of the home which is the terrace area, is set back approximately 14 feet. So it's just this one portion here that was addressed as a looming effect in what I believe and that's been addressed by this revision.
02:46:30.13 Unknown Did the Planning Commission state when they considered this that if they moved it to feedback, that would address their concerns?
02:46:36.65 Danny Castro No, the Planning Commission did ask the applicant if they were willing to make you know, continue the island and make further additional changes in that
02:46:43.72 Unknown THE END OF
02:46:46.15 Danny Castro the applicant requested that.
02:46:48.91 Unknown So what you're saying is that the Planning Commission offered the applicant the opportunity to make some changes, come back to the Planning Commission, and the applicant decided that they rejected that offer and decided to appeal. Is that correct? Yes. Okay, thank you.
02:46:49.67 Danny Castro THE COUNTRY.
02:47:05.89 Jill Hoffman Any other questions based on Danny's presentation?

No? Okay, so next.
02:47:11.97 Unknown Yeah, I do. Oh, go ahead.
02:47:12.24 Jill Hoffman Yeah, I do.
02:47:14.21 Unknown So, Danny, I'm always concerned when I see, you know, four meetings with the planning commission and then a completely new design given to council. But aside from that, I know that there is a tree, you know, the oak tree in the backyard. It's got to be over 100 years old. And the story poles, you know, were going straight up into the canopy of the side of the tree.

And I understand they have an arborist saying it won't impact the tree.

What is your opinion on that? I mean, I can't imagine...

that not impacting.
02:47:54.56 Danny Castro Well, the...

The actual trimming of the tree was prompted because they were putting up the story poles and
02:48:00.43 Unknown story.
02:48:00.89 Unknown Thank you.
02:48:01.90 Danny Castro That wasn't the only reason, but also because its canopy was such that it was encroaching into the neighboring property and so I the applicant, and they may address this unknowingly, they went ahead and trimmed the canopy, and that's when we prompted them that you can't just do that, a tree alteration permit is required.
02:48:25.02 Unknown Yeah, 100-year-old plus oak tree. But, I mean, I'm speaking about this is not the canopy going over the neighbor's property. This is on that site.

That's on the site.
02:48:35.82 Danny Castro SIGHT.

Thank you.

If we're talking about the same one, I mean, there is one coastline. In the backyard.
02:48:39.80 Unknown In the backyard.
02:48:40.69 Danny Castro Yeah, in the rear yard, one coast live oak, which Did...

was trimmed, there were limbs trimmed from that canopy Narvis report was prepared And that arborist report concluded that the trimming did not affect the health of the tree.
02:48:59.56 Unknown So when I'm looking though at the story polls when I went out on the weekend, the new story polls are directly into the canopy still of the tree. I mean, they're thick branches over there. And so I was just wondering about your opinion with respect to the impact of the tree if that was built.
02:49:20.94 Danny Castro I think the story poles, because they're a temporary structure, they're not, you know, a tree that old will find its way.

But those canopies are not, you know, I mean, those story poles rather are not permanent.
02:49:35.83 Unknown Yeah, but the structure they represent would be per minute. Perhaps, yes. Okay, thank you. Yeah.
02:49:38.00 Danny Castro per minute. Perhaps, yes.

Yes.
02:49:42.42 Unknown Okay, great question.
02:49:43.11 Unknown Bye.

Yeah.

Do we now actually have a formal arborist report as part of this file?

Submitted by the applicant.
02:49:54.71 Danny Castro Yes, that was an Arborist report.
02:49:56.85 Unknown Thank you.
02:49:57.00 Alexandra Canton Thank you.
02:49:57.17 Unknown .
02:49:59.84 Unknown Okay. Has there been a soils report submitted in connection with this application?
02:50:06.77 Danny Castro The project present, when the project undergoes the plan check review process, it will have a preliminary soils report and that continues to be reviewed by our engineering and our engineering consultant for compliance and meeting, you know, structural and studies. So those things are required of the project.
02:50:33.71 Unknown Okay.
02:50:35.97 Jill Hoffman Any other questions based on Dana's report? No. Okay, see none. So we'll move on then to the applicant presentation.
02:50:59.47 Robert Selma Yeah, I'm going to speak for a couple minutes.

Good evening, Mayor Hoffman and council members. My name is Robert Selma. Can you hear me okay? I am representing the project applicants this evening along with architect Michael Heckman. And I just wanted to add a few pieces of context. The planning director did an excellent job of giving you the history, but I wanted to emphasize that this is a design review application and that the project applicants been working with the city since November 2015 and we believe been working very diligently to address issues that the city has raised and that the Planning Commission raised and it's important to keep in mind that since May 2015 the planning department has supported the project and supported approval of it and still does so this evening because it believes you can meet the findings Ms. Pfeiffer, you mentioned that you're concerned about a significant change in design after four meetings. There have been four meetings, but I think you'll see that the change in design have been very modest.

in actuality, and they've been directly in response to Planning Commission concerns in those meetings.

A question was raised earlier about the Planning Commission's review of this and the opportunity that was given to the applicants to make changes.

What happened by the July 20th planning commission meeting was that the planning commission really wasn't denying the project, but it also wasn't approving it. And the project applicants began to feel like, They weren't getting direct responses to what they were putting forth to meet concerns.

So the Planning Commission raised concerns they responded and they felt they responded very directly but then they weren't getting clear direction. And they were really in three areas.

They were in the roof and the master bedroom, as you heard. They were in the landscaping, as you've heard, and they were with the windows on the east side and the privacy on the east side.

Now, the project directly responded to all of those issues and wanted to work with the concerns of the Planning Commission, but didn't feel like it really got an answer They felt like they had like, a miscommunication and that they could Possibly be at the Planning Commission indefinitely Thank you.

and were searching to get answers to the modifications they made.

We believe that the modifications that were made since July 20th are directly responsive to what the Planning Commission has mentioned along the way and address their concerns related to the projection of the master bedroom, of the privacy issue, and of the landscaping. And we urge you to approve this project tonight, which you have the authority to do. I'm going to turn the podium over to Michael Heckman who will go into more detail about The design modifications that were made in response to planning Commission concerns. Thank you
02:54:10.35 Unknown if you want to access those slides where they get the ends of everything.
02:54:14.14 Bill Ziegler I have her here.
02:54:33.60 Unknown Good evening, Mayor and members of the Council. My name is Michael Heckman. I'm the architect for the project. And we are interested in having your review and approval of our project tonight. And we know that that's certainly a possibility. We've been working with the planning department since November last year, as Rob mentioned, and we are eager to complete what we believe will be a benefit to the neighborhood and surrounding area. The project site has been vacant for more than a decade.

other than the 29 reinforced concrete piers that were left when the previous owner abandoned his approved project and sold the property to my clients, the current applicants. Our proposed residence is significantly smaller than the previous approval by some 900 feet and offers a superior design.

I was the architect on the earlier version, so I'm in a great position to know that this is true.

The planning department reviewed our project and recommended that it be approved many months ago. And it's consistent with every Sausalito zoning regulation and policy. Tonight we present you with three subtle but important changes that directly address specific comments from the planning commission.

Given the narrow scope of the changes we propose, we urge you to review our proposal and make the determination that it complies with all city codes and policies, including the city design guidelines, and approve our project.

At the May 25th meeting, the Planning Commission requested modifications to the windows on the east side of the residence. This was to address privacy concerns raised by the neighbor at 20 Crescenta.

They were concerned about the windows that face their property. The planning commission also asked us for a means to better integrate the master bedroom with the rest of the building and the topography of the site.

We made these changes while staying well below the previously approved footprint, but still utilizing the existing concrete piers. Specifically, we did the following. We changed all the east-facing window glazing to be translucent glass for full privacy, a solution that's been used all over Marin County effectively. We added a metal mesh vine-covered wall at the front edge of the master bedroom to eliminate the perception that it was cantilevered over the front of the structure.

We also reversed the master bedroom roof slope so that it now starts low at the front of the residence and rises gradually to the rear. And this reduces the apparent scale of the structure.

We also added a six-foot-tall privacy screen at the end of the terrace made of translucent glass, and this will maintain privacy for the neighbors at 20 Crescenta.

At the next Planning Commission meeting on July 6th, I explained our revisions and stated that I wanted to engage in a constructive dialogue with the Planning Commission to resolve any lingering issues in order to achieve an approval. In response, the Planning Commission raised new concerns but did not respond to our proposed changes. The Planning Commission closed the public discussion portion of the public hearing, noting that the following concerns about the proposed residence still existed. The design scale did not seem consistent with the surrounding neighborhood, because the master bedroom projected out over the hillside. The landscaping was insufficient, and the proposed raised privacy, proposal raised privacy concerns for Torney Crescenta because the side windows opened from the bottom.

and that the trees proposed might have issues with the fire code.

after failing to elicit a dialogue with the Planning Commission.

We were yet presented with additional similar concerns. We asked that the Planning Commission vote on the project. We felt that we were not receiving meaningful and productive feedback. In short, we felt as though we were experiencing a communication problem and were at somewhat of an impasse.

We are confident that we can break through the stalemate by responding to all of the Planning Commission's comments, including the concerns added on July 6th.

and we request that you review our work that we've done to directly respond to the Planning Commission's important suggestions. And fortunately, they are very straightforward solutions. So in summary, we have done the following. As you can see in this slide, we've pulled the upper level master bedroom back so it is flush with the resident's support columns. This does two things. It makes the master bedroom congrous with the rest of the structure, removing any perception that it is can, laboring, or looming from the residence. And it allows the master bedroom to conform more to the upward slope topography of the site with the roof slope going from low to high toward the back of the building. We've added significant landscaping. I believe that will be evident.
02:59:33.74 Unknown on a slide you may have seen. But this is actually a color rendering of the area between the carriage house and the residence. We can see the significant trees added at the center part, pretty much obscuring the lower level of the house.

We've also reconfigured the two east side translucent windows so that the vents open from the top of the window instead of at the bottom.

In addition, we have submitted several exhibits for your consideration, demonstrating that our proposed residence is not only compatible with the size, scale, and design of the neighborhood, but in fact will offer a welcome addition that complements the area and also offers creative approaches to the site's topography, as is recommended in the Sausalito design guidelines.

The exhibits include eight context photos. These are residences within this neighborhood, all on Curry Avenue, Curry Lane, Clara Vista, and on Crescenta.

And these are also THEIR OWNERS.

area neighborhood. You can see many homes which are much larger and similar in scale to what we are proposing.

Also note in our project is well below the zoning regulation height limit.

In the exhibit one, as we noted before, the master bedroom has been pulled back by two feet to reduce the cantilever and position it over the metal mesh wall below. Also keep in mind that the project recycles 29 of the existing in-ground reinforced concrete piers. These are integral to the design and establish the front edge of the house structure.

the entire.
03:01:28.03 Jill Hoffman That means your time is up. How much longer do you have?
03:01:31.51 Unknown It's just, I'd say about a minute and a half.
03:01:36.17 Jill Hoffman All right. That's fine. But a minute and a half. I'm going to hold you to it. Okay. Go ahead.
03:01:41.47 Unknown Okay.

Anyway, the north part of the house is actually integrated into these column schemes that are existing on the property. We've also included two letters which are from neighbors that are supporting the project. We've added the landscaping, and this includes four additional trees that are shown on that illustration we saw before.

Regarding the privacy issue, it's important to remember that the many Sausalito residences have side property windows facing each other.

See if I can get this.
03:02:22.69 Unknown Anyway, it's in these photos that are noted as C, D, and E in your packet.

And it's suggested by Planning Commissioner Pierce, we're proposing to reconfigure the two translucent windows so that the awning vents are at the top.

It's also important to note that I have reached out to Susan Hart, the neighbor at 20 Crescenta Drive, to receive input and suggestions on our proposal. We met on March 15th, August 19th, and September 6th. At the most recent meeting of September 6th, I presented Mrs. Hart with a designer vision based on our prior meeting that I was confident would address her concerns. The changes showed a three-foot shift of the upper-level terrace, living room, and chimney, back and away from her property to the west.

She said she wanted to think it over, and I subsequently called her on the telephone on the 13th.

I asked her if she would support the project with these changes or would she please describe any additional changes that she could support.

She said she was unable to describe a preference, so we had no additional input which might allow us to modify the project accordingly.

So the Planning Commission, the Planning Department has recommended our project for approval and continues to since the very first meeting.

We feel like the project is ready for an approval with all the modifications that we've made. And our project will be a welcome addition that adds benefit to the area and enhances its aesthetic value. We urge you to approve it this evening, and I'd be happy to answer any questions.
03:04:04.77 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

So, oops.

Okay.

So we have...

My agent says public comments next, but do we ask the architect? You guys want to ask the architect questions now or later?
03:04:24.97 Kurt Weinheimer I don't know.

Thank you.
03:04:27.62 Jill Hoffman That seems right, right? Okay, all right. Council questions.
03:04:27.97 Unknown Thank you.
03:04:27.99 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.
03:04:29.76 Debbie Thank you.
03:04:29.90 Unknown Thank you.
03:04:29.93 Debbie Thank you.
03:04:30.03 Unknown Council questions.
03:04:30.67 Unknown Thank you.
03:04:30.79 Unknown Thank you.
03:04:30.98 Debbie you
03:04:31.13 Unknown Thank you.
03:04:31.85 Unknown Yes. Okay. Thank you.
03:04:39.35 Unknown You have chosen to adopt a strategy of using the existing peers.
03:04:46.77 Unknown That's correct. Right.
03:04:46.97 Unknown That's correct.
03:04:48.86 Unknown It's an investment of almost $100,000. No, I think we should walk away from.
03:04:52.85 Unknown I know how much peers cost.

How has your design been constrained because of that?
03:05:03.82 Unknown Well, to be honest, We are using a layout that does not land each new column exactly over each pier. Our structural engineer has informed us that we can create a connecting grade beam that will unify the new layout with the pier supports that we have.

but we do want to be at that leading edge where we were before.

in order to create now a colonnade effect, basically, that's more transparent than the original project was.

THE ORIGINAL PROJECT USED TO HAVE TWO WINGS THAT CAME OUT TOWARD And now we only have the master bedroom wing.

So we do have some flexibility to answer your question.
03:05:48.60 Jill Hoffman Okay, any other questions? No? Okay, all right.

Thank you.

Public comment then I have three speaker cards right now Susan Hart MARS, I CAN'T, MARIANNE, MARSINE, MARSINE, AND AMY WILSON.
03:06:09.95 Unknown Thank you.
03:06:13.00 Unknown Thank you.
03:06:13.58 Susan Hart Thank you.
03:06:13.59 Jill Hoffman THE CITY IS A
03:06:13.86 Susan Hart Thank you.
03:06:21.62 Susan Hart Mayor Hoffman and members of the council. My name is Susan Hart. My husband and I live at 20 Crescenta Drive, which is immediately next door and the only true adjacent neighbor to 2 Crescenta Drive.

I respectfully disagree with the gentleman who said that the Planning Commission did not give clear directions. I was at some of those meetings and I was just amazed, the planning commission actually just helped all they could and stepped through. But the next meeting it was like they said nothing, it was just ignored. My problem and my husband's problem is, The proposed house essentially destroys the ambiance of our home. My husband bought the house 46 years ago, before we were married. And he did a lot of the construction work that was done to improve the house.

I loved the house just as much as he did, and we stayed. When we began a family, oh, maybe we could use a little more room, but the house is so special, and it works so beautifully. It has the most wonderful indoor-outdoor flow, and so we stayed. And all these years later, we're still there, and we would stay even even longer except my husband had an injury that the hillside, the steep driveway, the stairs, it's too much of a risk for him. So the way we're handling letting go is we know this house. We love this house. We understand how it works. It was built after the existing two crescenta and after 26 on the other side.

Ken Elkington, along with some professional design help, designed our house so beautifully for this site. It steps down the site and it's in a U shape on the south rear side. That not only gave us.

wonderful privacy. The master bedroom, living room, dining room, all open onto that. But it respected the privacy of the then existing two crescenta, which had a huge deck, four and a half feet lower, two stories, but four and a half feet lower.

We didn't bother them, they didn't bother us. There was no intrusion of privacy. It was a house designed to be compatible with the neighbors. This one, not. It really ruins our privacy, devalues our home, when I thought a new house was going to increase the value of our home. And I worry terribly about that magnificent, old, huge oak tree. I don't see how they can build a house there without butchering it. And it certainly, okay, I think you got the gist of how I feel about it. Thank you. Okay, thank you.
03:09:32.97 Jill Hoffman Marcin?
03:09:39.79 Unknown Can you guys hear me okay?

Thanks for having me.
03:09:42.10 Unknown Mm-hmm.
03:09:43.03 Unknown Just quickly, I think some of you have been up to the site.

And I was listening to the architect tonight, I was there for some of the conversations and it clearly wasn't just about the windows.

There is a substantial, the story polls only went up about a month and a half ago, I think.

And I think that was the, sort of Oh my gosh.

We saw some drawings, but we never saw the story pulls. The architect came out to the house. We stood in the patio with him.

and said, what does that mean?

There were lines and strings and things like that, and he wasn't even sure.

And clearly, there's a deck.

that you can see from their patio that's above their roof line.

that.

wouldn't be that hard to redesign this, to just drop it down a bit. And I know Susan and her husband were clearly not just saying it was the windows. They were saying, can you move it back from the property line? Can you drop it down the hill a bit? It wasn't just the privacy windows.

Thank you.

But this is clearly going to devalue their property.

And if you've been out there, you You know that.

So if there was any way to soften it, drop it back, I think they've, Thank you.
03:11:05.99 Unknown Mm-hmm.
03:11:06.31 Unknown I think that the way this was presented, it was a As if.

They had done everything.

But based on the conversations I heard, they really didn't change anything except frost windows Put the vent up.

but you're going to have people on a deck.
03:11:21.59 Unknown Thank you.
03:11:21.63 Unknown Thank you.
03:11:21.75 Unknown Thank you.
03:11:21.83 Unknown Thank you.
03:11:23.32 Unknown over your house.

you're going to have a big wall right next to your house, kind of looming over it.

And I just don't think it's fair.

You know, I think there's got to be a way to design this.

that makes it work for everybody. So that's my comment and thank you very much. Thank you.

Amen.
03:11:45.35 Amy Wilson Hi, my, hello, city council. My name is Amy Wilson, and I am a homeowner at 40 Crescenta Lane, right around the corner from this project. And I have paid close attention to these kinds of projects in the past, having been an adjacent property owner to a demolition project. And so I felt quite invested in coming tonight and sharing my perspective on it. And a couple of things. One, if they haven't filed a soils report as part of their application, it's not a complete application. While the Planning Commission cannot get into lots and lots of detail about engineering, a soils report is required as part of that application. Also, what I've learned from the presentation tonight, I have not watched the video from before, and I've not gone to the neighbor's site or anything. But to have a 4-0 unanimous decision from the Planning Commission on not one finding but four findings is really, really significant. And I can't really see how the city council can just overturn that tonight. At the very least, since there are new design elements introduced tonight, I could see a way where it would make sense to remand it to the planning commission for their construction.

perspective on those design changes.

Thank you.

But to approve it tonight seems really radical. The other thing I wanted to mention is that I did read in one of the letters that they've introduced a privacy screen, but privacy screens end up impacting light and views and so are not always the sort of answer to privacy questions. The other thing they mentioned is that it's smaller than a prior approved design. Any design that was approved in 1999 is under different ordinances than the current ones, so I would assume that it probably has to be smaller, But I don't know that for a fact. The other thing I would say is, that, yeah, okay, so I live in this neighborhood now, and it's true that there are these lovely modern designed houses kind of set into the hills, but they all up there manage to be situated on the site as to barely see your neighbors. And this one, the story polls are... to be situated on the site as to barely see your neighbors. And this one, the story polls are intense. You drive up Curry Lane and it's looming. So they may have pushed the bedroom back, but the whole scale of the project seems very large from the street. Thank you.

Thank you.
03:15:06.62 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
03:15:06.64 Amy Wilson Okay.
03:15:06.66 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
03:15:06.81 Amy Wilson Thank you.
03:15:06.84 Jill Hoffman Okay.
03:15:06.86 Amy Wilson Thank you.
03:15:06.98 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Okay, those are the only public comment cards. So back to the appellant, you have five minutes total, sir.
03:15:19.04 Robert Selma Thanks again for the opportunity. Again, Robert Selma representing the project. I want to briefly talk about the factual nature of some of the things that have just been said and that were said in Ms. Hart's letter. In fact, Michael Heckman has met with Ms. Hart four times, and those were not insignificant meetings. They were an hour or more long in a genuine effort to try to address her privacy-related issues.
03:15:24.39 Unknown I want to bring it.
03:15:47.80 Robert Selma Ms. Hart's letter to the commission said that the project totally disregarded her privacy and disregarded the value of her home. That's simply not factual. Michael Heckman took a lot of time out of his practice and the project took a lot of time to work with Ms. Hart specifically on these issues. So you have to keep that in mind. Secondly, the criticisms of the project and its negative impacts on privacy don't come with any specifics tonight. It's that it'll negatively impact my privacy. If you don't have specifics, it sounds like any project next to that home would negatively impact privacy. In contrast, the planning department and the planning commission, more importantly, have offered very specific suggestions about how to mitigate privacy impacts. They talked about changing the openings specifically, changing the openings of the window from the bottom to the top.

glazing the windows so they're translucent.

creating screenings so that the privacy impacts did not appear as great. The project has done All of those things.

directly in response to planning commission suggestions. In addition, if you didn't hear it earlier, there was a lot of information, but Michael Heckman said that he has proposed to move the top story three feet back from 20 Crescenta, which is another possibility.

modification that we are happy to make even though the building fits within the zoning within the general plan and within the design guidelines we have said we're willing to make even more modifications so the notion that we aren't are trying not not trying to work with the neighbors not trying to compromise is simply not factual and I'm sorry I have to say that The issue about the tree, again, doesn't come with any facts. We have an arborist that's part of our team. The arborist has reviewed the tree. You can read the arborist report. It's available to you to read. So I would reiterate, we have been open and willing to compromise. Without specifics, it's very hard to know what to do.

We continue to put forth proposals to mitigate issues that have been raised and new issues get raised without specifics. So I hope you keep in mind all those things when you're making your decision tonight and realize that we are willing to work, willing to compromise, and have been this entire time. I think that's been recognized by the planning department of the city of Sausalito, and that's reflected in their recommendation tonight. Michael, would you like to add anything to what I've said?
03:18:29.41 Unknown I'll just say a couple of days.
03:18:33.97 Unknown Thank you, Michael Heckman again, architect for the project. I think it's worthwhile to keep in mind that WE DO HAVE a context of two and three story structures and this is very much within the realm of what the neighborhood is like. We have stucco, we have wood, we have a mix of styles. A clean contemporary style would be a perfect neighbor for any of these parts of Sausalito and I think we have presented a positive option that I think should get your positive approval I have met with mrs. Hart Repeatedly and I've made I think great efforts to respond to her and CONCERNS.

and asked for specifics that she would find approvable and was never provided with anything of substance that I could respond to.

So we've gone a great distance to make sure that this was a...

you a positive project, a responsive project, and one that fits well into its context. And I hope that we get a positive response from you tonight. Thank you.
03:19:49.57 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Okay. So...

City Council discussion.

OCT started off.

Thank you.

SO I LOOKED AT BOTH THE SITE AND the neighbor's house.
03:20:08.45 Unknown know, the neighbor
03:20:10.76 Jill Hoffman And you know, Gosh, I have sympathy for both sides, as we always do, as we all always do. I mean, there's this crazy site right now where they've got unfinished piers, and it's kind of an eyesore for the neighborhood, and don't we all want that fixed? Yes. But when I look at the 20 Crescentia, you know, it is absolutely, you walk into their back deck, and there's this thing looming above you. And there's a, there's a deck, um, that, that if anybody's walking on that day, it's four feet higher than the other one. So anybody walking that deck, you're looking right down into, you know, their patio and their dining room. So, You know, I, notwithstanding the changes that were made, you know, I agree with the...

I agree with the findings from the Planning Commission, the 4.0.

you know, it's not complementary particularly to the surroundings.

finding number one, finding number three, that it's not consistent with the general scale of the residences, is much larger than their one next-door neighbor. And there's no one to the other side. So when I look at the balance of privacy, I'm like, well, if you want to have... And I absolutely understand the strictures of this, the way it's laid out and the way that the current...

you know, driveway is and I get that, but I also see that you have all this room on the other side with no one over there, but then you're right up against 20 Crescentia, I mean with feet and you're looming, you know, you're looking right down into their house.

The landscaping, I'm glad they added some, but it doesn't really, I don't think, speak to the concerns that, or fix the concerns that the planning commission had. And then the level of privacy, I think, is very important. And I agree with the planning commission on that. So, and I also have to say, I don't particularly...

I think it's a good idea for an applicant who's had a 4.0 at the planning commission and then make changes before they come to the city council. I think that's a very bad precedent. If you want to make changes, then it should go back to the planning commission and have them have their have their recommendation for us.

I'm in two camps right now, and I'm happy to listen to my fellow council members, but I'm either in the camp of let's send it back to the Planning Commission or deny it based on the findings of the Planning Commission. So there you go.
03:22:34.42 Unknown Thank you.

I'd like to say something. So I would support denying the appeal. And I base my opinion, I concur with the Planning Commission's finding. Finding number two, I do not see a distinctive or creative solution in this. Can we see the photo of the side of the structure? I concur with finding number three, the looming effect on the hillside. of the side of the structure. I concur with finding number three, the looming effect on the hillside.

You know, I think, again, the golden rule applies here. I wouldn't want that looming over, you know, my private space where I currently enjoy privacy. And so I would agree with the Planning Commission. I agree with them on finding number six, the visual mass aspect. I look at this and I see a home. I'm sorry, I'm talking about the design with the greenery and stuff that they have. Yeah. I mean, that's just huge. And you look at that and you can see that it's been designed for views. I mean, it's up at the top as high as they can go to maximize, you know, the views. And I understand, you know, monetarily why you would want to do that, but you have to consider the aesthetics of the neighborhood, and you have to consider scale, and you have to consider the feedback that the Planning Commission has provided and the neighbors. I would also concur with finding number nine. The privacy is just the screens and the setbacks is just, in fact, the appellant even described those changes as modest. And so I would agree. They're just modest and they don't address the issues that I'm seeing here. Finally, I'm very concerned about that heritage oak tree. The fact that you have an arborist report does not instill confidence given you cut the crown without city guidance on a heritage oak in the first place. And I looked at the storyboards and they cut right into where you still have a number of thick branches. So I also feel that Having the Planning Commission spend so much time on this for four sessions and then to come to us with a new design.

with these changes it feels like you're making an end run around the planning commission this is our time it's everyone's time you know I think we need to really follow the process and adhere to the process so I would I would move to deny the appeal Thank you.
03:25:30.59 Jill Hoffman you
03:25:31.66 Unknown And you look.
03:25:32.03 Jill Hoffman Yes?
03:25:33.17 Unknown you
03:25:33.44 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
03:25:33.56 Unknown Thank you.
03:25:33.60 Jill Hoffman All right.
03:25:34.39 Unknown I agree with what's just been said, and I certainly can't.

make these findings. And I think, I also agree with this comment that the Planning Commission was there to work on this with the applicants. They got frustrated. We have an excellent Planning Commission. Done already, I wanted to say. But, um, I think the applicants set out the timeline, but software You know, I think the applicants set out the timeline, but Sausalito is a constrained area, and when we build a new structure, we take our time and we look at everything and make sure that the way it affects the residences, how it impacts everything around it, and it's very important. The Planning Commission had concerns. The way I looked at it, looking at the tapes and also some of the conversations is they have frustrated with the Planning Commission and filed appeal. That's not really the strategy. We don't, and when it comes up here, we're going to give it an up or down vote. And this is somewhat of a, as someone said, an end run on the Planning Commission. If we could make the findings, we would. I just can't at this point. And I'd be also in favor of denying the project.
03:25:56.46 Unknown The guy who doesn't know.

THE END OF THE END OF THE
03:26:56.56 Unknown Yeah, I agree.

them to bypass the Planning Commission is definitely not the right thing to do.

YOU KNOW, I I'm a layman.

to read all of these things.

I read them twice and I still don't understand them. And that's why we depend on the Planning Commission because they're the ones that deal with this all the time.

my direction is to deny.
03:27:26.29 Unknown you
03:27:30.41 Unknown Yeah, I listened very carefully to all of the video, watched all of the video of the planning commissions. I sat through it in the last couple of days before I met with anybody on the site today. I went through some of it again this afternoon just to check.

you know, you actually weren't that far apart, I think. I think there was actually, and the planning commission offered and clearly wanted, you know, suggested you take another continuance because there were issues to deal with. There were still issues to deal with. But you didn't. And on July 6, you just decided that even though you were willing to make a compromise, because you came with another design.

You were willing to make a compromise, but you decided you weren't going to do it in front of the planning commission.
03:28:33.37 Unknown The other comment is that If there's a communication problem on this project between the Planning Commission and through this process, I would respectfully suggest it's because you haven't been listening.

to the Planning Commission.

The Planning Commission has clearly indicated to you that it objects to the large looming massing and it wants a change of design.

It's that simple.
03:29:12.03 Unknown This is a de novo hearing, and I went through every finding carefully. I cannot make findings number two. I can't make findings number three. I can't make findings number nine, and I wasn't sure about number six. So also I think we need to deny this project, I think, without prejudice, so that it goes back and the applicants do have an opportunity and don't have to wait a year before resubmitting. So I think denied without prejudice. We don't have Mary here, but I think that's the right answer.

thing to do i don't know if linda did you move make a motion there i think if
03:30:00.00 Unknown I made a motion to deny the appeal.
03:30:02.40 Unknown Yeah, so I'd second that.

With prejudice. Without prejudice.
03:30:07.21 Unknown Thank you.
03:30:07.34 Unknown So that's- Councilmember Pfeiffer, she didn't say which way she preferred. Oh, okay. Can I just dance?
03:30:10.67 Jill Hoffman FRIED FOR SHEETA.

Can I just ask Danny? I'm not sure about that. Let me ask Danny. Let's ask Danny. Do you know the answer to that, with prejudice or without prejudice? We were in Superior Court, I know.
03:30:23.27 Danny Castro Councilmember Whitty is correct that denying without prejudice would allow the applicant to return with a new application, and that would go to the Planning Commission.
03:30:31.93 Unknown Okay. It was, yeah.

Okay. Well, what does with prejudice mean? I mean, what does that mean? What's the difference?
03:30:33.13 Danny Castro Okay.
03:30:37.67 Danny Castro Thank you.

Thank you.
03:30:42.09 Danny Castro To be honest, I do not know exactly what that means technically or legally, but I do know that they have to wait a year in order to then resubmit
03:30:51.24 Unknown There must be a reason for that. Can anyone comment, Adam?
03:30:55.37 Danny Castro Thank you.
03:30:55.39 Unknown And I actually think that we would, I don't think they could resubmit this plan if we deny it with prejudice. Correct. So we have to be a little careful. I suggest follow Vice Mayor Withey's without prejudice. I wouldn't remand it, but I would deny it without prejudice. That's right.
03:31:03.71 Unknown Thank you.
03:31:03.72 Unknown Correct.
03:31:03.98 Unknown Thank you.
03:31:05.33 Unknown you
03:31:10.29 Unknown I wouldn't Thank you.
03:31:13.58 Jill Hoffman Okay.
03:31:13.86 Unknown Thank you.
03:31:13.92 Unknown It's the way to go.
03:31:13.97 Jill Hoffman Yeah, I'll accept that.
03:31:14.69 Unknown Yeah.
03:31:15.57 Jill Hoffman Okay.
03:31:16.09 Unknown So I second that.
03:31:17.80 Jill Hoffman Okay, so there's a motion on the floor, denying without prejudice. The motion's been second. All in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Thank you. Yes, Danny is...
03:31:24.17 Unknown Bye.
03:31:24.97 Unknown Thank you.
03:31:27.31 Danny Castro Thank you.

Thank you.

One detail is that because a resolution is not before you this evening for denial,
03:31:28.82 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
03:31:33.12 Jill Hoffman Mm-hmm.
03:31:33.52 Danny Castro Thank you.

We will bring it back to you at your next meeting under a consent calendar identifying the denial findings.
03:31:38.57 Jill Hoffman It's fine. Thank you.

Okay, moving along.

Okay. The next. Okay. Okay. So our next item on our menu. Our agenda is a short-term rental task force.

Short presentation by Danny Castro. While people quietly file out.
03:32:19.12 Danny Castro Good evening again. This is a...

issue before you is a short term I need to wait.
03:32:26.33 Jill Hoffman TO BE ABLE
03:32:26.39 Danny Castro or should I?
03:32:26.97 Jill Hoffman you
03:32:27.02 Danny Castro Thank you.
03:32:27.12 Jill Hoffman I have.

No, she said to go ahead.

.
03:32:29.25 Danny Castro Okay.
03:32:29.41 Jill Hoffman She'll be right back.
03:32:31.07 Danny Castro Thank you. This is a short-term rental task force working group appointment procedures.
03:32:36.67 Jill Hoffman Hold on.

Let me just ask this. Does anybody else need a short break? Okay. I guess not. Go ahead.
03:32:42.44 Danny Castro Thank you.

At your last meeting on September 13th, the City Council discussed the appointment of a task force on short term rentals. And at that meeting asked staff to clarify the procedures for appointments to task forces and working groups.

The Sausalito Municipal Code, Chapter 2.58, sets the procedures for the appointments of city boards, commissions, and committees. It includes requirements on applications and interviews, and listed here are the different requirements. The appointment process, which includes a mayor's announcement of the names of the candidates of her preference, and the nominations by other council members and a roll call vote of the city council. Residency requirements, the frequency of meetings, et cetera. The city council, the very last bullet, does even have the ability to, by resolution or by a motion, modify those procedures as deemed appropriate for boards, commissions, and committees in their appointments.

Section 258030 of this chapter states that City Council appointments to any task forces or working groups shall not be subject to the provisions of Chapter 2.58, except as the City Council may otherwise specify in their creation of such task forces or working groups. Therefore, the City Council may create different appointment procedures than is provided in Chapter 2.58, the Council can decide to apply the same procedures that apply to boards, commissions, and committees to the appointment of a task force or working group.

Alternatively, the city council can delegate the authority for appointment of a task force or working group to the mayor or other members of the city council.

The options, I'm listing a number of options, are not exclusive, but if you were to look at creating specific procedures for a task force on short-term rentals. You could establish the purpose, issues to address, and the tasks to complete, the number of members, the makeup of them.

Perhaps an application and interview process, ask each council member to identify a candidate, establish a number of meetings, and establish any other procedures or policies.

Staff's recommendation for appointment of short-term rental task force is to establish a purpose. And these bullets are the items that were discussed at a previous city council meeting, in which you felt the task force or the additional items that you felt the task force should be addressing. And so I won't go through each of these, but that's where I find it appropriate for a purpose.

And the makeup of the task force members could consist of five or seven members, one or two council members, one or two planning commission members to be assigned, one historic landmarks board member, two at-large community members, Russ Irwin and Kate Storr, have expressed their interest in being on this task force, and also me as a staff representative.

The names of the task force members can be announced at a city council meeting and agreed upon by a motion of the city council. In terms of a timeline, it's recommended that the city council establish a timeline for the task force to address the issues and perhaps establish a date or at least a month in which the task force is to report their findings or their recommendations to the city council.

And that concludes my report.
03:36:37.02 Unknown Okay, so I had a question. Thank you, sure.
03:36:38.30 Danny Castro Thank you.
03:36:39.87 Unknown So one of my questions last time was not only about appointments, but it was about the creation of the task force itself. In other words, my understanding is that the mayor, he or she, cannot just say, I'm going to create a task force or a working group or a blue working committee unless there is consensus by the council to do so and or there is a motion on the floor and a vote. So that was what I was trying to get clarity on.
03:37:18.74 Adam Politzer I will be here.

for family matters. But Danny and Mary and I have had this conversation and we've also had a conversation with the mayor.

In this case, the mayor can make a recommendation for a task force or working group.

But if there's not a consensus of the council members, than all those other discussion points that Dan if you go back to that other slide that talks about what then can happen, keep going back one more.

Going back? Right there. Then you as a council can create whatever the requirements are. Or we can deny the majority of the vote. In other words, the answer is no.
03:38:05.58 Unknown Or we can deny...

the creation. In other words, the answer is yes. It requires a council majority to create a task force or working group or blue ribbon committee.
03:38:16.21 Adam Politzer or working group.

That is correct. Thank you. But our past practice, when a mayor has made a recommendation for a task force,
03:38:21.33 Unknown Thank you.
03:38:25.83 Unknown I'm not going to be a If we didn't object, we would all go with it. Then it was consensus by, you know, whatever it's called, declaration or whatever. I mean, we all just kind of went along and we agreed with it. But that was not usurping our authority or our ability.
03:38:27.59 Adam Politzer we would all go.

That's correct.
03:38:42.60 Unknown to say we disagree or one person disagrees with this and therefore we want to put it to a vote. So I was just clarifying at the last session that this is not something that one council member or a mayor for that matter can just create if there is resistance to it that it goes to a vote.
03:39:05.86 Adam Politzer And that's why we put the specific details in the staff report and in the presentation.
03:39:08.90 Unknown Yeah, but they're not.

This speaks to appointments. And then the recommendation from SAP based on.
03:39:10.99 Adam Politzer And then the recommendation from staff.
03:39:14.97 Unknown It doesn't speak to creation of the task force itself.
03:39:19.93 Unknown It does.
03:39:20.42 Unknown Where? It says appointments to any task force. And then this is create a different appointment. Procedures and appointments and apply procedures, et cetera. It doesn't talk about the creation. Well, the last one.
03:39:30.93 Adam Politzer The last line of that first paragraph talks otherwise specified in their creation of such task force or working groups.
03:39:36.84 Unknown Thank you.
03:39:36.89 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:39:36.91 Unknown Thank you.
03:39:36.92 Unknown Mm-hmm.
03:39:37.15 Unknown you
03:39:37.19 Unknown THE FAMILY IS
03:39:37.50 Adam Politzer Yeah.
03:39:37.97 Unknown you
03:39:38.04 Adam Politzer you
03:39:38.09 Unknown you
03:39:38.26 Adam Politzer Thank you.
03:39:38.48 Unknown but it leads with city council appointments to any task forces or working groups shall not be subject to the provisions, blah, blah, blah.
03:39:45.78 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

If I could weigh in here. So on...

2.58.030.

The last sentence there says city appointments to any task forces or working group shall not be subject to the provisions of the of this chapter except as city council may otherwise specify in their creation of such task force or working groups.

That's not entirely clear. Yeah, it's very unclear and that's why I wanted to clarify it.
03:40:08.21 Unknown Yeah.
03:40:09.04 Unknown Unclear.
03:40:09.97 Unknown Thank you.
03:40:10.03 Unknown That's what I'm doing.
03:40:10.32 Unknown I want to clarify.
03:40:11.03 Unknown Terrify it.

The mayor has the ability to form a task force and pick the people on it.
03:40:13.14 Jill Hoffman Herb has something to say.
03:40:20.28 Unknown and get the approval of the council. Other than that, then go to the old-fashioned way, then go to a committee. We all have meetings with them. We all play political appointments on the whole thing, and it doesn't get done.

period.

I recommend that the mayor PICK A TASK FORCE, PUT A TIME FRAME ON IT AND GET IT DONE.
03:40:45.39 Unknown Okay, I make a motion not to create. I make a motion to maintain the existing regulation banning short-term rentals with complaint-driven enforcement.

and not to form a task force or working group or blue ribbon committee.
03:41:15.00 Jill Hoffman Okay.

My understanding is that there's no, is there a second for Linda's motion? So that's the latest motion. So there's no second, so we'll go back to the first motion, which is her.

I'll second it.
03:41:34.58 Unknown Sorry, what was the motion? Yeah, yeah.
03:41:35.41 Jill Hoffman I suppose the motion.

Okay.
03:41:38.10 Unknown Yeah.
03:41:38.44 Jill Hoffman Let's continue our discussion. So there's a motion on the floor. There's a second, but we can continue our discussion. How about that?
03:41:39.47 Unknown Bye.
03:41:39.56 Unknown Thank you.
03:41:39.57 Unknown to the
03:41:43.59 Unknown How about that? The motion was that she has the ability, the mayor has the ability to form a task force.

All right.

and pick the people on that task force.
03:41:56.57 Unknown May I?
03:41:57.04 Adam Politzer I mean,
03:41:57.26 Unknown THE END OF THE END OF THE
03:41:57.46 Adam Politzer We've done this before. Madam Mayor, excuse me, Council Member Theodores. Just before, I know that you guys are now into discussion. We started with a question.
03:41:58.47 Unknown Thank you.
03:41:58.49 Unknown Yeah.

Thank you.

Mayor.
03:42:04.40 Unknown Yeah.
03:42:04.65 Unknown Bye.
03:42:04.68 Unknown I'm sorry.
03:42:05.31 Unknown Thank you.
03:42:05.32 Adam Politzer And I want to remind you that we need to take public comment, and then you can bring it back.
03:42:05.36 Unknown Yeah.
03:42:05.63 Unknown Thank you.
03:42:08.38 Jill Hoffman Okay.
03:42:08.58 Unknown Thank you.
03:42:08.72 Jill Hoffman Yeah.
03:42:08.89 Unknown Bye.

That's all we have to do.
03:42:10.96 Jill Hoffman THE END OF THE END OF THE
03:42:11.23 Adam Politzer And we do have a car for public comment. This is question for Danny.
03:42:11.97 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
03:42:12.02 Unknown AND WE DO HAVE A CAR FOR PUBLIC
03:42:13.83 Jill Hoffman Bye.
03:42:16.07 Unknown And then we'll go to discussion. But we're out of procedure. Okay. Okay.
03:42:17.03 Unknown THE END OF THE END OF THE you
03:42:18.11 Unknown Thank you.
03:42:18.13 Unknown Yeah.
03:42:18.44 Unknown THE FAMILY.
03:42:18.64 Unknown We've always had it.
03:42:19.45 Unknown Thank you.
03:42:19.47 Jill Hoffman .
03:42:19.62 Unknown Okay.
03:42:22.27 Jill Hoffman Tom, what's your concern is?
03:42:24.71 Unknown THE CONCERN IS.

I don't know where I'm, I'll make my comment,
03:42:28.19 Jill Hoffman So we were at Danny's presentation. We had questions for Danny.

We kind of morphed into discussion, but we should have gone to public comment.
03:42:34.28 Unknown a public comment
03:42:38.50 Jill Hoffman Uh...
03:42:39.06 Unknown Thank you.
03:42:39.09 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
03:42:39.12 Unknown you
03:42:39.19 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
03:42:39.23 Unknown THE END OF THE END OF THE
03:42:39.55 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
03:42:39.58 Unknown I don't mind.
03:42:39.92 Jill Hoffman I don't know.

you
03:42:41.25 Unknown You know, I think we're getting bogged down. First of all, I think Councilmember Weiner's thing, he's making a legal conclusion that the mayor can. That's it's begging the question. We just But I don't think we should go there. I think in anything we do, I think when we do this, we should decide as a council. I mean, you're free to do that.
03:42:58.21 Unknown I share that with the approval of the council.
03:42:59.97 Unknown Oh, with the approval of the council. So let's have some discussion on this because I think Council Member Pfeiffer has one feeling on it. You may have another. My general feeling on it is it's a good idea. These task force and committee are really important. People spend a lot of time on that, and it's very important that they get the support of the city council in doing that as they come back. So it's worth a little discussion on what's the best way to do this with all of us, I think. And in this case, actually, I think it's, you know, I think I'm certainly open to entertaining, and I think it'd be good to have some input on it. But we started out with this thing about what, legally can be done with the mayor. I think my view is, let's set that aside. The important part is, what do we as a council right now think is the best idea in terms of going forward? That's just my thing. Because otherwise, we're going to get bogged down into this legal part of it.
03:43:55.37 Jill Hoffman YOU CAN'T GET A LITTLE BIT.

Thank you.
03:43:56.01 Unknown That's my view.
03:43:56.02 Jill Hoffman Now we're morphing into discussion. We're no longer at questions for Danny. So let's go back to public comment and let Ms. Marshawn come up and make her public statement.
03:44:10.33 Unknown Another one?

I don't think there's that many people here.

you
03:44:14.03 Unknown THE END OF THE END OF THE
03:44:14.23 Unknown .
03:44:14.40 Unknown Thank you.
03:44:14.45 Unknown Okay.
03:44:15.85 Bill Ziegler you
03:44:16.04 Unknown OK.
03:44:19.87 Unknown So Mayor, Councilmembers, Melanie Maharshan, resident of Sausalito, I'm I'm here tonight to reiterate my commitment to our community.

on this topic and this process. I think it's important for us to look at this topic at this level, at the task force level. We've had a really good progression over the last year and a half.

I think it's at least being indicated by our community that it's something we want to look at more strongly.

proud of being able to get to this point.

um, I've been involved from the beginning of this new look at STRs. As you know, I have experience in two other cities, Pacific Grove and I think there are things that we can learn from each of these cities.

They have had ordinances for a long time.

iterated their ordinances in the last two years as technology has changed, as new services have become available. I think there are things that we can learn. In fact, I was watching Truckee's town council meeting where they passed some new things to make their enforcement more effective.

I'm involved in those cities, I'd be known to.

staff, the council and the mayor in each of those cities. You know me here from this topic but also other activities and events that I'm involved in the city.

.

So I just want you to know that I would be very interested in serving on the task force. I'm committed. I'm here to reiterate that commitment.

And I come to it without ties to renting in Sausalito, without relationships with any of the other third parties that we discuss, and without any encumbrances that could draw undue scrutiny in the process. So I just want you to know that I would be honored to serve as a member at large on the task force, if so chosen. Thank you.
03:46:12.97 Jill Hoffman Thank you. Next is Kate Storm.

Thank you.

These are the only cards I have.
03:46:23.11 Kate Storr Hi, good evening, Mayor Huffman, City Council. I'm Kate Storr. I served as the chair on the working group that met several times and hosted community meetings, as you know.

And I was just wanting to comment as I heard your discussion about next steps on the number of people who came to the community meetings and who expressed an interest in having this issue further discussed and having and getting relief from the complaints that they have of short-term rentals in their community.

and having more sensible regulation to support people who do need this as an outlet for affordable income. We did hear those comments very clearly. There were dozens and dozens of people at those community meetings, each of them wanting the council to move forward to put together regulations that are a better fit for our community. And I hope that you do move forward with a task force and that we begin to consider what those regulations could be. Thank you very much, and I appreciate your time on this issue.
03:47:22.44 Jill Hoffman THANK YOU.

Okay, now, public comments over. Now back to council discussion. So we kind of got bogged down into...

sort of procedurally how to go forward. This is my thought on how to go forward. Is that we have, I think we have two people on our task force that are opposite ends. Like we have Russ Erwin who is absolutely very concerned about short-term rentals and it's pretty much opposed. And then we have Kate on the other end who has been involved in the community outreach program and has been instrumental in some of the other proposals, some of the proposals have been brought forth on how to manage this problem in our community. So I'm not, at this point, I'm trying to figure out a way forward for us as a community. The answer may be when our task force is done that, you know, technology is just not there and we're not able to do it yet.

allowing the short-term rentals. The other thing I want the task force to look at is how can we better take care of the problem children in our community who are causing problems with their short-term rentals. We have been very bad at being able to react to those problems. And so, you know, I'd like that also to be a part of the task force recommendation about how we need to Revise our ordinance, work with our police department, work with the enforcement person that we hired.

That is part of the recommendation as well. It's the way forward. And if they come to us, My guess is there's going to be some sort of draft ordinance because our current ordinance has to be amended, both to take care of the problem children and if we want to somehow, you know,
03:49:12.72 Unknown Thank you.
03:49:12.75 Jill Hoffman see if we can manage the short-term rentals.

Part of that is also looking at the different platforms that are available in the management through those platforms of people that want to do short-term rentals.

I would assume that there would be limits on how many permits that we would issue. There would be limits on neighborhoods. There would be limits on if you have multi-unit building, how many units in that building, or if you could even do it in that building. I don't know. I mean, these are things and what we would be looking for as recommendations from this task force. I would hope that it would be notice what you posted, that there would be time for public comment during these meetings, but that they would move quickly and that we would put an end date that they would come back to us at the end of January or maybe at the latest, the beginning of February, with some sort of recommendation for a draft ordinance, whatever that may be. So, go ahead.
03:50:15.75 Unknown Okay, so yeah, and my viewpoint is that we should maintain the ban we should, if anything, we should look at enforcement driven by complaints, which is basically, when you think of it, that's how we enforce our permits and permit compliance as well. Someone looks at someone building something illegally in a neighborhood, they call city staff. City staff goes down and red tags it. I mean, you know, the Airbnb could be the same thing. There's a loud party, a congested street, you know, video and proof of advertisements for that home. And to go in and, you know, levy fines the way we do with permits. I'm struggling with this notion that we can enforce compliance of structural violations, but we can't enforce ordinances of equality of life. And I have a problem with that. I think that we could lose our community with this, and I'm really concerned about it. And I also, I like Russ Irwin a lot and I Perhaps he's concerned. I wouldn't put him in the anti-camp of short-term rentals, though. I'm sure he's concerned about it, and I'll contact him, but I really don't think I would put him in that other camp. But regardless, more than anything else, I have been contacted by people on this issue in town. People have contacted me about this issue, and they have said, please step up for us. Please speak out. If we really, really want to know what the majority of people in town think about this, do what we did when we were doing the surveys for the ADUs. We had maps. We sent everybody a postcard. It was color-coded. We knew exactly how many of those colors were going out. It was not price prohibitive. And we were able to get feedback from everyone in town. It wasn't a situation where someone could vote multiple times. Someone could weigh in multiple times. We were really strict about it. And I think this rises to that level. I really hope we don't go down the road of outsourcing enforcement or creating nuanced elements that there's no way of enforcing. Frankly, if there's someone who's renting out a room in their home and they've got off-street parking and they're staying at home, why would we go after that? I mean, my attitude is they're not upsetting anyone, but it's the parties, the loud things that we know, that we have proof. There's no reason we can't shut those down. There's just no reason. So I would keep the ban in place.

Okay, sure.
03:53:37.57 Unknown Well, We're not asking the mayor to wait six months to come back with some recommendations. It's a short period of time.

If you want to go, as far as I'm concerned, if you want to go more than two community leaders, Fine. The idea is to get some results back to us that we can look forward to. You know, we're going to have to make a decision on what we're going to do in this town.
03:53:57.36 Unknown Thank you.
03:54:07.66 Unknown Mm-hmm.
03:54:08.30 Unknown for this. And I think the more we just go along the way we are, It's going to just be the same answers.

Like I said.

There's a certain trust.

A month, month and a half, two months. You put the gauntlet down on when you want to get that back.

and let's move on with this, or else it'll just get tied up for months, and you can do all the mail outs you want and everything else, But I still think the best direction first on a foundation is the mayor's task force gathers the information and brings it back to us.

IN THE ISSUES FOUNDATION.
03:54:52.75 Amy Wilson Right, any comment?
03:54:56.68 Unknown Well, I'm not going to.

litigate short-term rentals now, right? That's not the purpose of this. We're trying to figure out if and how to form a task force.

A couple of comments. First, I'm a little worried if there's an expectation that the work product is a draft ordinance because That's sort of putting the cart before the horse.

I mean, the enforcement issue...

is so significant that you know, just putting words on paper isn't going to help.

it's become very clear, we, for whatever reason, not because of lack of effort, but because of the structural nature of the problem, try to enforce a really simple one-line ban that we have in our municipal code. And we couldn't do it. We couldn't enforce a simple one-line ban. And so if we can't do that, how are we going to enforce an ordinance in which you've decided to put all kinds of bells and whistles, it can only be X amount, Y amount, it can only be if they live in or whatever. Okay, we failed to enforce a simple thing. We will never be able to enforce. The only way to enforce this thing, this whole thing, is when the platforms are obligated to report the data.

period.

But I'm willing to support a task force to actually investigate, to look at all of this, and maybe my perceptions here are wrong. I'd be quite happy to hear it come back. But if the game plan is to come back with an ordinance, that seems to me to just sort of put the cart before the horse a little bit.
03:57:04.05 Debbie So how about it?
03:57:05.83 Jill Hoffman So how about if I do this? Why don't I make a motion to form a task force to address...

short-term, the possibility of a short-term rental ordinance in Sausalito, and specifically to provide information on how any enforcement program would coordinate with the online platforms. And specifically also address what's the platform that also is looking at enforcement, just does enforcement. There's a name for that. Host compliance. And then also it looks at the host compliance code enforcement program and how we could integrate that. But also, as part of the program that anybody renting in Sausalito would have to voluntarily provide the reports from the platforms where they list as part of the permit requirements and also a method for enforcement. So that's my long motion. Does anybody want to second it?

Thank you.

you Thank you.

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03:58:29.39 Alexandra Canton Thank you.
03:58:29.42 Jill Hoffman Yeah, sure.
03:58:30.11 Unknown That's fine. I mean, I support doing something. We have to look at it. I mean, that seems a little bit, you know, a little bit more directive than you may need to be because we're not sure what they're going to come up with looking at it. And I do have to say one thing about enforcement, though, and I'm fine. I think looking at some of these things and host compliance and whether we should go further and how we need to protect ourselves because Airbnb, I think, just pseudo high on some of this. So there's a lot of, you know,
03:58:56.37 Unknown Mm-hmm.
03:58:58.75 Unknown you know, tightening it up or loosening up various ideas. I think on the enforcement side, though, I do think that everything that we heard at this last meeting when people spoke at the last whatever it was that they held hearings with, everyone said that we need to get the bad guys, which are taken over the party houses, and we don't have the enforcement tools. And I think it's pretty obvious that we should probably in conjunction or at the same time, get maybe have staff get together to raise the fines, because I think that's at a minimum.
03:59:37.04 Unknown I'm going to go to the Yeah.
03:59:38.88 Unknown We got to do that now and not wait, and then we could do this other thing.
03:59:39.02 Jill Hoffman you
03:59:43.98 Jill Hoffman How about that?

Add that to my motion, that the task force will look at increasing fines, and that might be the first tasker for them.
03:59:56.85 Unknown I was thinking that that would be not in the task force. The staff would just, we'd do that.

Just do it.
04:00:04.11 Unknown I would support that. I mean, we have people in town who have printed out advertisements of homes with photos of the home. They have videos of people partying at the house, you know, of people admitting they're there for short term, where the landlord actually wants them to have to call the police because then he gets to keep the thousand dollar deposit according to the rules that he's structured so I mean you know yeah I would say let's direct staff to explore
04:00:08.68 Unknown was my friend.
04:00:45.37 Unknown I move make a motion to direct staff to explore fines, fine increases on short-term rentals.

And come back to Council with recommendations.
04:01:01.03 Jill Hoffman Can I just ask one, let me ask one follow-up on that.

And let me ask this to Danny, but also to Melanie and Kate, because you guys have experience in this.

that question I think is a really That's a really big question. It's more than more about fines. It's not just fines. It's how do, what's our mechanism for our...

Is it, it's not our police? I mean, unless there's a party going on, right? Because that's why we have the enforcement officer. And so we had to hire the enforcement officer to actually enforce our one-line ban. But that's why I was trying to put that into the task force. I agree that that's a priority. So maybe if we put that in... What I would suggest is that we put that in to make that a priority with the task force. That's your first priority. That's your first priority.

Do you think you would be able to come back to us in a month?

with a recommendation on that. And then we can give that to staff and say, okay, this is what How do you guys, what do you think about that, Danny? Is that too much?
04:02:08.97 Unknown I would put it just for staff so they have the flexibility to run with it and come back to us with a recommendation.
04:02:16.54 Adam Politzer I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT.

The advantage of having the task force is to spread the work.

And Danny and his staff already have plenty on their plate. I think a month would be too ambitious if you're asking Danny and his team to do this on their own.

because you're asking us to come back with recommendations on what some of the fines are now obviously the working group did some of that work in some of the preliminary meetings and we obviously learned what Tiburon did and they talked about you know some of those actions of actually raising their fees so you know I would recommend that the
04:02:49.81 Unknown or some of the...
04:02:57.25 Adam Politzer The task force helps.

forward and you very specifically saying we want to look at how we can elevate the fees to create revenues to support the code enforcement actions that are necessary and required.
04:03:12.25 Jill Hoffman And I don't see that as the end, you know, for the task force. I would say that's maybe phase one or phase two or something. Yes, Kate?
04:03:23.62 Unknown Yeah.
04:03:24.18 Jill Hoffman Yeah.
04:03:26.68 Kate Storr Kate Storr responding to your question. Councilman Pfeiffer, I absolutely hear you on making sure that we begin to bring relief to these neighbors who will are experiencing these problems. Some of the problems that they complained of were noise or disruptions, and that when they called the police, there was no immediate response. And fines alone will not take care of the issues that they're experiencing And so while we definitely want to pursue higher fines so that we do have some leverage and enforcement, there may be other things that we could do that would also be very effective. That would be my recommendation if the task force looked at it.
04:04:05.24 Unknown Oh yeah?

Yeah, respectfully, yeah, I disagree completely. I mean, if I'm a short-term rental owner and I'm getting hit with a $5,000 fine, guess what? I'm going to pay attention. And to require our police, the tax on our police, when they're already stretched and resource constrained constrained that is hitting every taxpayer in town to be to be just called on a dime to enforce these these these weekend parties or wedding parties so I mean respectfully I disagree with you I think that I think fine
04:04:08.42 Kate Storr I disagree.
04:04:49.53 Unknown I don't think we have discussion with the public. We're talking to the United States Council. Okay. So,
04:04:51.19 Jill Hoffman Thank you.

Right, right. Okay, so I was trying to, all right. So we have their- May I a little more-
04:04:53.97 Unknown Thank you.

May I a little more? 45 days you got from October 1 to November 15th. Yeah. Can you get that done?
04:05:01.36 Jill Hoffman Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

OK. OK. We're going to.
04:05:05.93 Unknown On the enforcement part, due respect to the city manager, I'm not looking at this that whether we have increased fines to pay for enforcement in general is something the task force could take a look at. But right now, in my understanding with Danny, if someone complains about a party house, the city has to do something.

And we should have fines to be able to do that. Absolutely. And that's not a matter of trying to find out who's going to pay. Or is it true, and maybe the city manager or Danny, if someone makes a complaint and there's a party house and it's short-term rental, do we do absolutely nothing at this stage?
04:05:33.17 Shirley Thornton Absolutely.
04:05:33.85 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.
04:05:52.34 Unknown What do we do?
04:05:53.67 Adam Politzer No, we would send the compliance letter and eventually ramp that up to an administrative citation. But our experience at the administrative citation is $100 per event.

And then you have to actually enforce it. It goes to another legal layer that obviously doesn't make much sense for the city to pursue. So that's the point. Okay.
04:06:15.66 Debbie Thank you.
04:06:15.68 Jill Hoffman Yeah.
04:06:16.61 Unknown PURSUED.
04:06:17.54 Jill Hoffman So that's the point. Okay, that's the point. All right, let's focus here. So we have a motion on the table for the, well, it doesn't even have a motion, it's just direction to staff, right?
04:06:21.38 Unknown So,
04:06:26.24 Unknown No, it was a motion to direct staff to research fines to enforce short-term rentals on a complaint-driven basis. Okay, I agree with that. I second.
04:06:40.03 Jill Hoffman All in favor? Aye. Motion passes. Okay, so there's another motion on the table to create a task force to look at short-term rentals. That task force would be made up of one council member, one planning commissioner, one historic landmark board member. At this point, members of the community, Russ Irwin and Kate Storr, and staff representative Danny Castro. I would ask that the timeline be...
04:06:41.38 Unknown Hi.
04:07:09.66 Jill Hoffman 60 days?

Is that good? Can you guys do that? Okay, timeline will be 60 days. Do I have a second?
04:07:15.38 Unknown And just what's the mission?
04:07:18.17 Jill Hoffman THE MISSION IS TO address the, which one is it?
04:07:21.14 Unknown Thank you.
04:07:21.17 Unknown There's a,
04:07:21.61 Unknown Uh, You was...
04:07:24.72 Jill Hoffman Yeah, purpose of the task force is that. Consider the assistant from host compliant, which is a platform. Consider penalty fee increase. And I would still like them to look at that. You know, devise a plan to work with the platforms to get reporting data. Discuss concerns about ADUs. Consider establishing a program relations restrictions on short-term rentals. Any other items that they find are relevant and necessary. And report to the city council and make recommendations. Okay.
04:07:53.35 Unknown Madam Mayor. Yes.

That was your motion originally, right? Uh-huh. Okay. You packed a lot of stuff in your motion. Could you sort of unpack that and just go with that? Yes. Okay, cool.
04:07:58.43 Jill Hoffman Uh-huh.

YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO Yes.
04:08:06.28 Unknown With that, I'll second it.
04:08:08.03 Jill Hoffman Okay. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? No. Motion passes. Thank you very much. Thank you for your input and comments. Okay. We're not done.
04:08:08.71 Unknown favor?
04:08:09.26 Unknown Bye.
04:08:09.87 Unknown you
04:08:15.66 Unknown Thank you.
04:08:19.27 Jill Hoffman No, we're not. We got lots of other stuff to do.
04:08:19.48 Unknown Thank you.
04:08:19.98 Unknown Thank you.
04:08:28.50 Jill Hoffman Sorry, where are we?
04:08:31.47 Unknown Absolutely.
04:08:33.83 Jill Hoffman I have too many agendas in front of me.
04:08:38.21 Unknown Thank you.
04:08:38.31 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
04:08:38.41 Unknown Thank you.
04:08:40.82 Jill Hoffman Okay. City manager. Are we at city manager reports? Yes.

Okay.
04:08:49.34 Adam Politzer My report is rather brief.
04:08:54.14 Jill Hoffman He does say that all the time. But the discussion.
04:08:55.40 Adam Politzer But the discussion, I would think will end up being long. And I'll just cut to the chase that the mayor sat in for Councilmember Weiner at the last RBRA meeting two weeks ago, Thursday. And a lot of activity happened at that meeting. And I'll let the mayor talk more specifics about that in the mayor's report. The short of is that I am asking the chief to come to our next, either to the next council meeting, October 13th, or the following council meeting, I think October 25th, to give a little bit more comprehensive report of the activity that's happening on the water from when he last presented to you. The items before the RBRA board for their consideration for their November 10th meeting, which they'll be voting, potentially on the enhanced enforcement program that the police department and the sheriff's office have been collaborating with the coast guard on to take enforcement actions on the boats that are unoccupied, unregistered and or marine debris.

But at the last meeting, the last city council meeting, we asked the council to authorize the mayor and myself in sending a letter to the RBRA members asking for some flexibility on the withdrawal notification requirement, which requires us before December 31st of this year to put our notice into withdrawal by June 30th. So we put in a letter this December, then we can withdraw effective June 30th of 2017. If we don't put in that letter by December 31st, we are financially committed to RBRA through June 30th of 2018. So the council approved us sending that letter. That letter got a reaction at the RBRA meeting, which was not positive by the other board members, and they didn't take a formal vote on it, but based on their response to Mayor Hoffman's question, there didn't seem to be any support to give that flexibility in a rolling six-month withdrawal provision or any other or any other option other than what's now in on writing but the the but supervisor sears did make the motion which was supported on a 5-0 vote, for County Council to look into giving Sausalito the ability to withdraw from RBRA effective January 1st of 2017. So this January, so we'd be out effective January 1st. So the County Council is considering that. In the meantime, county administrator Matthew Heimel and the three other town managers, City of Mill Valley, City of Belvedere, City of Tiburon, and myself have had one meeting, which was not very productive. We have another meeting scheduled for October 11th, and in the meantime, the productive meetings have been happening with our chief, his lieutenant, Bill Frost, the sheriff's office with several deputies and lieutenants and Coast Guard on what an enhanced enforcement strategy would look like, and they're now looking to build that budget and bring that before the working group, which are the managers, and then on to the board, the RBRA board, for their consideration on November 11th. So I just thought that we'll let you know that the meeting was eventful, not productive from Saucena's perspective, and let the mayor comment further if she so wishes on on some city business other city business news we've have had some positions that we have filled obviously tonight we're excited about the two new officers that have joined our team. But we've had some internal changes in promotions in the organization as you all remember, Leslie Johnson who was our property manager for the MLK property took a job in Hawaii and moved to Hawaii. And we have interviewed candidates for that position and have offered the position to Joshua Montemayor, who has been our assistant planner and co-office mate with Leslie. The panel, which consisted of myself, Bruce Huff, and Sonia Hansen, and Susan Patterson, unanimous, that was the right choice. Everyone was very excited about him. So we've offered him the position and he has accepted, which obviously leaves a gap in the community development department because he was the assistant planner there. The other position was offered to Heather Laporte, who's our administrative assistant in the administration department. Heather has accepted the business manager position that Melanie has put out the position to be filled, and Heather applied, and Heather was offered the job, so now we have a vacancy in the admin aide position at the administration department. so that's good news for the city and good news for both those employees I'm with the city and we will work quickly to fill Joshua's position and Heather's position as we move forward so that's my report for this evening let the mayor comment on our BRA as she wishes and happy to answer any other questions of the council
04:15:17.82 Jill Hoffman Yeah, I'll tell a little bit about what happened at the RBRE. So, you know, we've had a push for the past year and a half to hold RBRA accountable for their mission in Richardson Bay and to look at closer scrutiny at the budget and how we're spending our money, or how RBRA is spending our money. So our budget to RBRA right now, the base budget is about $90,000 a year. And so we had our VIPs do a review of documents from RBRA from 2010 to 2016 of boats that were removed, allegedly removed pursuant to RBRA, right? So the thought is they're removed from the bay.

Thank you.

So, well, 406 boats were removed at a cost of about a million dollars. And our VIPs found that only 63 of those boats, or we could only show that 63 of those boats were taken from Richardson Bay.

So, yeah. Wait. Wait. Wait. What? That's what I said.
04:16:33.84 Unknown Yes.

Wait, what?
04:16:37.98 Jill Hoffman So we asked for this information from RBRA, and they said they didn't have it. So we said, well, give us all of your documents, and we'll go through them, which we did. So our VIPs from the police department, because our chief is now spearheading enforcement on RBRA, went through all the documents that were provided from 2010 to 2016 of the 406 boats that RBRA is saying they removed as part of their mission. but the vips could only find 2016 of the 406 boats that the RBRA is saying, you know, they removed as part of their mission, but the VIPs could only find that 63 were taken from Richardson Bay, or could only confirm that 63 were taken from Richardson Bay.
04:17:14.97 Unknown Richardson Bay you mean?
04:17:16.47 Jill Hoffman floating out there.
04:17:17.32 Unknown Sausalito water.
04:17:18.23 Jill Hoffman Well. Waters too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, all of Richardson Bay, right. Okay, all of Richardson Bay.
04:17:19.24 Unknown Yeah.

Okay, right.

Thank you.
04:17:22.02 Jill Hoffman Right, okay.

AND THEN, I THINK I'M GOING TO So then there was also a report from RBRA for July and August of boats that were removed, right? So there were 17 boats removed and I went down the list with Bill Price, where did those boats come from? And of those 17 boats, nine Only nine came from Richardson Bay.

The rest were taken from marinas, or a couple were on trailers in San Rafael. Unbelievable. So part of the response from RBRA is, look, we receive money from Cal Recycle or Boats and Waterways, and Boats and Waterways and Cal Recycle don't care where the boats are coming from. They just want the boats, you know, removed. So that's their excuse. You know, our response is, you know, you're RBRA and we're paying you X amount of dollars and we expect a little bit better return than half. So then the conversation went on from there at RBRA. And also I want to note that the person that we was recruited to come in and be the interim executive director as part of this sort of move toward better accountability, better management of RBRA, the thought was he was going to be there for a year. He came on with an initial contract in six months to be renewed for another six months. And on the day of the meeting, we were informed that he was withdrawing his request to be employed by RBRA for another six months. Sorry, I don't mean to laugh. And so they're without an executive director. As of that day, he was done.

So that's the status of RBRA.
04:19:16.13 Unknown This is just...

I am just speechless.
04:19:21.18 Jill Hoffman Thank you.
04:19:21.78 Unknown Who has the authority to hire the executive director?
04:19:22.90 Unknown THE FAMILY.
04:19:22.95 Jill Hoffman the executive director. R.B. R.A. has authority. Agency. The board. Yeah, the board. That's yeah.
04:19:24.08 Unknown .

agency.
04:19:30.97 Jill Hoffman So that's the status of...
04:19:32.74 Unknown So, from a public affairs, public relations you know, to when your jurisdiction is the bay to protect the bay Unbelievable.
04:19:47.37 Unknown Madam Mayor, could I just clarify...
04:19:49.68 Unknown Thank you.
04:19:53.27 Unknown Of the 406 boats, what time period are we talking about? Sorry, I missed that.
04:19:59.67 Jill Hoffman No, no worries. Those were the records from 2010 to 2016.
04:20:04.76 Unknown Okay, thanks.
04:20:06.76 Jill Hoffman that.

Those were the numbers, we always saw the numbers of the graphs of, there's 130 boats in the water in 2010 or whatever the numbers are. And they keep going up and this mystery about why they're
04:20:19.48 Unknown No, I remember the graphs well.
04:20:20.69 Jill Hoffman as well. So that may be, the mystery may be solved.
04:20:23.97 Unknown So I can see pulling the discussion around pulling out of RBRA. I mean, they basically lied to us. In my opinion, they lied to us.

Thank you.
04:20:35.50 Jill Hoffman if those
04:20:36.41 Unknown Thank you.
04:20:37.87 Jill Hoffman If those numbers are correct. I mean that's Thank you.

That's of concern.
04:20:41.49 Adam Politzer Yeah, I think that it was just important that we shared that there was a lot of activity at this meeting.
04:20:42.73 Jill Hoffman Generously.
04:20:46.97 Adam Politzer and including the public that attended the meeting. There was a lot of comments at the meeting. But I would ask the council to just hold their comments until we have this agendized and the chief come and give you a complete report. I think by the time we get to that moment, we'll have a better understanding of how we're moving forward or not with the county, and potentially we would seek direction from the council at that time on on how to move forward as as a member of our BRA.
04:21:22.95 Jill Hoffman And that's all I have for my committee report tonight. Anybody else got any committee reports?

All right, okay, so now appointments. No, no, no, we're going to talk about it this time, but next time we're going to talk about them. So here's another board and commission that I'd like to not a border commission, this is another task force that I would like for us to discuss next time. Danny's going to make a presentation next time. So we...

and this is in reaction to some...

comments and questions from the community that I've had about the community development department. So we sent out a survey in August. Just two people that had been involved, applicants, just sort of how are we doing, what are your thoughts, you know, and so the idea is that we, harness the expertise of our community and have recommendations about how we can improve our service to the applicants and our residents that come before the Planning Commission. Or not Planning Commission, I'm sorry, the Community Development Department, specifically with permit review and applications. So that's the thought on that task force. And Danny's going to come and give us sort of a snapshot of the responses to the survey. And then we'll talk about the scope of what that task force will be doing and who's on that task force.

this time.
04:22:57.38 Unknown Sure.
04:22:57.43 Jill Hoffman Sure.
04:23:00.01 Unknown The only comment I have here is that I remember the Community Development Department then in the processing of pretty much anything.

then has to interact with a whole multitude of departments. So if you want to have, and I think Danny would probably agree, a good review of all of the community developments processes for permits and whatever. It's also an understanding of the flow through and the flow through the various departments and so on. So that would be my only
04:23:35.91 Jill Hoffman Yeah.
04:23:38.08 Unknown recommendation that you'd need to include that, not just community development, right?
04:23:38.15 Jill Hoffman That's right.
04:23:42.89 Jill Hoffman However, whatever Danny recommends and what needs to be looked at, and then the task force will look at that. But the task force is thought to be made up of experts from the community. Yes.

in that arena. And so if anybody has ideas about who they would want on that task force be thinking of that.
04:23:59.19 Unknown they think of it.
04:24:00.14 Jill Hoffman Mm-hmm.
04:24:00.86 Unknown you earlier or earlier.
04:24:01.98 Jill Hoffman Mm-hmm.

I say email earlier the better and then we can include that as we did tonight.
04:24:08.64 Kurt Weinheimer You can share the tonight. You can do the 4th class.
04:24:11.36 Jill Hoffman All right. All right, future agenda items.
04:24:12.02 Unknown you Thank you.
04:24:13.18 Kurt Weinheimer Thank you.
04:24:13.98 Unknown Thank you.
04:24:14.03 Unknown Thank you.
04:24:14.09 Unknown Thank you.
04:24:17.99 Jill Hoffman you
04:24:18.06 Unknown So, ABAC. The Plan Bay Area 2, 2040 draft, preferred scenario, raise our liaison on the alternate. I'll say that the deadline for public input is October 14th, 2016.

The draft scenario currently includes a regional growth forecast for an additional 1.3 million jobs, 2.4 million people. This is for the regional area.

Um, But I think having an agenda item on this topic, taking a look at that preferred scenario, getting clarity on what the outrageous job projections in the past for Sausalito have driven up our housing projections, and that has fed into our arena. And so I think we need to schedule that in the near future so if council can weigh in formally before the deadline, that that would make sense. Also, it's my understanding, in the last rotation of number allocations from a bag. The numbers were, I don't know if you guys remember this, but the numbers were kind of low. They were like, you know, I forget what they were, but they were lower than they had been earlier. And I wasn't told this at the time, but apparently that was because of our proximity to Marin City as a priority development area. And this time around, evidently, which I, and by the way, that was never...

I was never informed of that, that that was why it was low. I was told up here by the then-lays on, oh, isn't it wonderful? Our numbers are low. Evidently, this time around, that's not being factored in. So basically, the numbers are going to be higher. So anyway, so I would get that on the agenda. Thank you.

And the other thing I would get on the agenda is the Southern Gateway. I'm probably saying this wrong. The Southern Gateway Corridor Program or whatever that program was, very controversial going through Hurricane Gulch that would, you know, widen, and add crosswalks and all sorts of things that people know nothing about.

So.
04:26:55.03 Jill Hoffman That's it. Okay. Any other future agenda items? Okay. Any other reports of significance?

Okay, I'm adjourning city council, but the next, mark your calendars, the next regularly scheduled meeting will be held on Thursday.

October 13th, and this is to accommodate the Yom Kippur holiday. So not Tuesday, but October 13th, Thursday. All right, we're adjourned.
04:27:27.13 Unknown Thank you.
04:27:30.55 Unknown The Press.