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| 00:00:06.05 | Unknown | This is the Sausalito City Council meeting for Tuesday, April 4th, 2017. Lily, would you take the role, please? |
| 00:00:15.25 | Unknown | Councilmember Burns? |
| 00:00:16.52 | Unknown | HERE. |
| 00:00:16.99 | Unknown | Councilmember Weiner? |
| 00:00:17.93 | Unknown | Present. |
| 00:00:18.59 | Unknown | Councilmember Hoffman? Present. Vice Mayor Cox? Here. Mayor Withey? |
| 00:00:23.12 | Unknown | here. We will be discussing three items in closed session, items D1 to 3, which are negotiations involving real property. Is there any public comment on these closed session items? Seeing none, we- |
| 00:00:42.37 | Joan Cox | Mr. Mayor, for the record, I will be recusing myself from the discussion of items D2 and D1 because I live in close proximity to the MLK properties. |
| 00:00:55.89 | Unknown | Thank you. We will adjourn into closed session. |
| 00:01:13.99 | Unknown | Good evening and welcome to the regular meeting of the Social Leader of City Council for Tuesday, April 4th, 2017. Lily, would you take the roll, please? |
| 00:01:27.56 | Unknown | Council Member Burns. |
| 00:01:28.59 | Unknown | present. |
| 00:01:29.42 | Unknown | Council member Weiner. Thank you. |
| 00:01:30.45 | Unknown | THEIR OWNERS. |
| 00:01:31.39 | Unknown | Councilmember Hoffman. Present. Vice Mayor Cox? Mayor Withey. |
| 00:01:37.31 | Unknown | here. you Monica Finnegan, would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance tonight, please? |
| 00:01:42.41 | Brian Doris | tonight please. |
| 00:01:48.82 | Brian Doris | Thank you. |
| 00:01:48.84 | Monica Finnegan | I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:01:48.86 | Brian Doris | I pledge allegiance to the flag |
| 00:01:51.56 | Unknown | of you. |
| 00:01:51.86 | Brian Doris | Thank you. |
| 00:02:04.38 | Unknown | Thank you, Monica. |
| 00:02:10.81 | Unknown | We recently held a close session to discuss three matters in a real property negotiation. As Vice Mayor Cox will explain later, she recused herself from items numbers one and two. Is there any public comment on these closed session items? Okay, seeing none. |
| 00:02:41.96 | Jeffrey Chase | I'd like to make a public comment on that. |
| 00:02:45.07 | Unknown | On the closed session item, Jeff, right? Yes. Okay, come on up there. |
| 00:02:46.86 | Jeffrey Chase | Yes. |
| 00:02:53.98 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:02:54.08 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 00:02:54.22 | Joan Cox | Unfortunately. |
| 00:02:54.74 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. Hello, council and mayor. And I'll speak on the closed session items. know that the closed session is for what's called legal negotiations with people in the real estate industry or lawyers and the courts. I think the idea that anything needs to be secret here I understand that it is under the Brown Act, but to have the legal profession and the real estate profession be the only keepers of confidentiality in the city is something I think I'd like to think about, and maybe you will too. Thank you. |
| 00:03:41.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:41.25 | Jeffrey Chase | Thanks. |
| 00:03:41.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:41.63 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 00:03:44.38 | Unknown | Thank you very much. Is there anybody else who would like to talk on these closed session matters? Okay, seeing none, we will move on reminding you that each of these closed session items will be voted on in open session shortly. Could we have a motion to approve the agenda, please? |
| 00:04:04.33 | Joan Cox | Thank you. moved. |
| 00:04:04.90 | Unknown | Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion carries. |
| 00:04:06.93 | Joan Cox | Bye. |
| 00:04:06.96 | Adam Politzer | Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry, Mr. Mayor, would you announce that the item on transportation authority of Marin has been postponed? |
| 00:04:17.63 | Unknown | Oh, thank you very much. Yeah, so item 6B, which was a presentation from the Executive Director of the Transportation Authority of Marin, Diane Steinhauser, was going to update us on all of the transportation issues affecting us. Unfortunately, he's not able to attend tonight, so we will put that on another agenda item. Thank you, Adam, for pointing that out. So that, of course, is implicitly removed from our approval of the agenda. So, moving on, item number one is special presentations. And we are delighted to welcome the panel seven women with seven dreams for seven days. And to welcome our visitors and an update on our Vina del Mar Sister City program. And I promise I won't try and speak in Spanish. |
| 00:05:22.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:05:22.97 | Unknown | . Okay. |
| 00:05:26.17 | Unknown | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Council members, and everybody here this evening. Mr. Mayor, you just took my introduction. Many of you know we are honored to have three sister cities here in Sausalito. We have Sacaga, Japan, Qashqai, Portugal, and the longest relationship, Vina del Mar, Chile. This week we are honored to have a group together. of women from Vena Del Mar come visit us here in Sausalito and take in our beautiful city and of course our fantastic residents. As you said, it's seven women, seven days, seven dreams. And to tell you more about the program, I would like to introduce Monica Finnegan, who is coordinating the program. |
| 00:06:20.95 | Monica Finnegan | I would first like to say thank you very much for giving us some of your precious city council time to present our women from Chile. We've had an exciting start of our week here. We've had two days and we've done a lot of business training and a lot of partying. The program is all about imparting American business practices for women in business in Chile. And we will have had 29 speakers throughout the week presenting concepts and ideas and ways that we do business here so that we can give them some good ideas when they go home. And I'd like to introduce the president of AHEP. It's Ximena Silva, and She's going to take a few minutes to introduce their group. But before we do that, sorry, I want to say nothing gets done without a committee here in Sausalito. And I'd like to recognize Susan Rowe, who's the president of Sister Cities. Stand up, Susie, please. And, and, And all of our committee members that are here tonight, Karen Aiken, who's co-chair of the program, Kathy Steerhoff, and anybody else. We've worn everybody else out. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry. Come up here. Thank you. And Brenda De Bruen has been our translator along with Lizzie. all the last few days and I can't believe she's not worn out and taking throat lozenges and whatnot. But she's done a fabulous job translating for us. So she's going to help the women explain a little bit about their business. Just a little bit, one sentence, so we're not going to be here all night. But first, Jimena, come and say some things, please. |
| 00:07:51.79 | Unknown | lozenges. |
| 00:08:12.48 | Ximena Silva | Well, thank you for the opportunity to present us in the Honorable Consejo Municipal. |
| 00:08:19.28 | Brenda De Bruen | Thank you very much for giving us the opportunity to introduce ourselves |
| 00:08:23.02 | Ximena Silva | TO CITY COUNCIL. We are a group of seven small empresarios from Viña del Mar We are seven women that have small businesses in Viña del Mar, Chile. Formamos parte de la Asociación Gremial Ajeb Quinta Región. They're part of the ACHEP Association in Viña. That's a business association for women. Well, I'm Jimena Silva, I'm currently president of AGEP, I'm designate graphic and I work in communications. |
| 00:08:53.20 | Brenda De Bruen | THE END OF THE |
| 00:08:53.47 | Ximena Silva | She is currently the president of AHIP, And she's also a graphic designer. And I would like to introduce the others Barbara? you |
| 00:09:02.50 | Brenda De Bruen | Okay. |
| 00:09:04.10 | Ximena Silva | Astrid, ¿quiere venir? |
| 00:09:06.49 | Brenda De Bruen | to introduce her group of women. Thank you. |
| 00:09:10.53 | Ximena Silva | which is, |
| 00:09:10.97 | Brenda De Bruen | What's Barbara? |
| 00:09:16.25 | Astrid Lauer | Hello, good afternoon. My name is Astrid Lauer. |
| 00:09:19.69 | Brenda De Bruen | Good afternoon, my name is Astrid Lauer. |
| 00:09:22.76 | Astrid Lauer | I have a company that has 11 years ago, |
| 00:09:27.74 | Brenda De Bruen | She has an interior design business for 11 years. |
| 00:09:33.43 | Astrid Lauer | Nuestro... Our success is to make a design and design chileno with a man of work chilena, and all our envases are reusable. |
| 00:09:45.32 | Brenda De Bruen | All of her designs are made by Chileans and everything is organic and her recyclable as well. Okay, gracias. Gracias. |
| 00:09:55.03 | Britannia Salinas | Thank you. |
| 00:10:02.45 | Danixa Becerra | Hello, my name is Danixa Becerra. |
| 00:10:05.00 | Brenda De Bruen | My name is Danica Becerra. |
| 00:10:07.65 | Danixa Becerra | I have a company of public articles ecológicos stamped in serigraphy She has, her business is silk screen publicity printing. All of her products are |
| 00:10:30.97 | Brenda De Bruen | are ecologically sound and I have to add that she's only 26 years old. 27 and she's very accomplished. |
| 00:10:37.20 | Danixa Becerra | It's a very good thing. |
| 00:10:41.37 | Danixa Becerra | Yes. |
| 00:10:42.46 | Brenda De Bruen | She won. Young Leader of the Year last year, so that's really amazing. |
| 00:10:48.64 | Britannia Salinas | Thank you. Hello, my name is Britannia Salinas. Thank you. I'm a graphic designer and visual artist She's also graphic designer and a visual artist. Y me inspiro en las culturas precolombinas chilenas y en los paisajes cotidianos chilenos. |
| 00:11:06.21 | Brenda De Bruen | And her inspiration are the pre-Columbian artisan work. |
| 00:11:11.83 | Britannia Salinas | Muchas gracias. |
| 00:11:13.04 | Brenda De Bruen | Thank you. |
| 00:11:17.07 | Maritza Pasten | Hello, good evening. Hola, buenas tardes. My name is Maritza Pasten. |
| 00:11:19.62 | Britannia Salinas | Okay. |
| 00:11:19.91 | Brenda De Bruen | Thank you. |
| 00:11:22.79 | Maritza Pasten | Maritza Pastén. Pastén. Pastén. Yes, soy ingeniero industrial. She's an industrial engineer. and I have a merchandise company where they make personal personal gifts. |
| 00:11:36.29 | Brenda De Bruen | She has a business of personal merchandising for corporate offices. Yes, okay, thank you. |
| 00:11:48.19 | Magali Muñoz | Hello, I'm Magali Muñoz and I'm a graphic designer at the University of Viña del Mar. |
| 00:11:54.35 | Brenda De Bruen | She's a graphic designer from the University of Viña del Mar. |
| 00:11:57.56 | Magali Muñoz | And my company has to do with all the design and rustic design. |
| 00:12:01.94 | Brenda De Bruen | Thank you. and her company is everything related with rustic design. |
| 00:12:07.60 | Magali Muñoz | in wood, ceramic, in cloth, everything that has to do with decoration. |
| 00:12:12.51 | Brenda De Bruen | She does everything in terms of decoration. She does, she makes furniture ceramics, needlepoint, paintings, which are amazing, really beautiful work. Thank you. |
| 00:12:28.35 | Barbara Roman | Thank you. |
| 00:12:28.44 | Ximena Silva | Thank you. |
| 00:12:28.45 | Barbara Roman | Thank you. |
| 00:12:33.99 | Barbara Roman | BÁRBARA ROMÁN Hi, my name is Barbara Roman. I am a designer designer, I have two businesses |
| 00:12:44.45 | Brenda De Bruen | I'm a fashion designer and she has two businesses. |
| 00:12:48.65 | Barbara Roman | Consiste en un taller y una tienda que es muy similar a la chica de Jordana de Yield. |
| 00:12:55.12 | Brenda De Bruen | which consists of a workshop and a boutique very similar to what Jill from the Giordano is doing nowadays. |
| 00:13:03.89 | Barbara Roman | Diorano is a and I work for companies in the field of the workshop, and I work in the shop and I'm looking for the products that I confecciono. |
| 00:13:14.03 | Brenda De Bruen | So she works with other businesses designing for their catalogs, but she also sells retail. |
| 00:13:20.58 | Barbara Roman | I also wanted to take the opportunity to give the thanks to all of you. Monica, that thanks to you we are here. |
| 00:13:30.00 | Brenda De Bruen | She also wants to take this opportunity, if she will, to thank you from the bottom of her heart, from all of them, to take this opportunity and this time for them. And thank also Monica Finnegan for all her hard work. Thank you. We really need to appreciate, they really appreciate that. |
| 00:13:45.08 | Barbara Roman | like that. Thank you. Ew. Gracias también a nuestras hermanas que nos han recibido, mi hermana y a todos. Muchas gracias por todo. |
| 00:13:49.03 | Brenda De Bruen | Gracias. |
| 00:13:54.41 | Brenda De Bruen | Muchas gracias. Thank you for all the host families. They now call us sisters. So, yes, they are our sisters now. Thank you very much. Gracias. |
| 00:14:01.86 | Barbara Roman | Gracias. |
| 00:14:06.43 | Ximena Silva | Tenemos un video que le grabamos a la alcaldesa de Viña del Mar que les mandó. |
| 00:14:13.45 | Brenda De Bruen | They're going to show a short video of the mayor of Villan-El-Mar that she recorded for all of you. |
| 00:14:29.26 | Brenda De Bruen | Exactly. Where's the volume? |
| 00:14:53.68 | Mayor of Viña del Mar | Hola. As a mayor of Viña del Mar I want to send a nice greeting to all the people of Sausalito. especially to the Mayor, the Council, And a group of women I had the pleasure of meeting when I visited them. Allá, women very successful, very working. I had the pleasure of being in the Plaza Viña del Mar. I always remember the love. Desde acá de Viña del Mar quiero decirles que desgraciadamente no las podré acompañar y asistir a la invitación que ustedes cariñosamente me hicieran. But from here I want to say that Viña del Mar always will receive much love. I wish you much luck. You continue working on how it has done to you and receive a loving salute from the community of Viña del Mar. |
| 00:15:48.76 | Laurel Benichy | Hello, I'm Laurel Benichy, I'm a Cognitive Coach. I want to give you a great greeting from our dear city to all our friends from Sausalito, especially Monica and Susan, with whom I was the last year. I want to give a nice and loving salute, especially for those who went to the beach. I feel very happy with you and when you want to come to the community, I will be here to see you with your love. |
| 00:16:31.79 | Ximena Silva | It's Viña del Mar, so we have a little second video. You have it? No. Okay, okay. So any more, thanks very much. |
| 00:16:49.31 | Monica Finnegan | So one thing I want to mention is everybody in Sausalito community has stepped up. We have so many retailers that are showing these women how they do business. We're stopping along the way at Pine Street Interiors, Katia's Jewelry Store, Giordano. And the mayor and all the city council people have been so supportive. We thank you so much for inviting us here tonight and for embracing everybody. Thank you. |
| 00:17:21.72 | Unknown | Just before you go, let me just say on behalf of the City Council, I know I've already said this to you all, welcome to Sausalito. This is an important program. You know personally, I've visited you twice now in Vina del Mar. And there's nothing more important to me than the fact that people from different parts of the world working together. is going to solve a lot more problems than many of the more senior politicians are trying to solve. So let's put it that way. So thank you all. |
| 00:18:03.04 | Unknown | for people. |
| 00:18:13.72 | Unknown | And the reason I didn't do that in Spanish is because Brenda would have have to have translated my Spanish into real Spanish. |
| 00:18:23.98 | Barbara Roman | Thank you. |
| 00:18:33.97 | Unknown | You can't put that. |
| 00:18:37.24 | Unknown | Yeah, we're just going to take a one minute break. Okay, sorry about that. Let's resume. |
| 00:18:50.00 | Unknown | Agenda item number two are communications. And this is the time for the City Council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. And as you know, except in very limited situations, state law precludes the Council from taking any action or engaging in any discussions concerning these matters. So... First of all, do we have any public comment on items that are not on the agenda this evening. And I think I have some cards here. Yes, Michael Granik, you have submitted a card. |
| 00:19:33.35 | Michael Granik | Folks, you obviously know I'm here to talk about the laundromat. I want to start by personally apologizing to you folks for my tactics in creating public awareness. I am actually sympathetic to what it's like to be in local government. I figured that applying public pressure would actually help you make decisions. So on the approach to the exemption and then on the homelessness matter, Mr. Pulitzer and I had a very good meeting on the alternative solution to the exemption that you're aware of and reached agreement going forward. I want to ask you to sit with him and consider making that retroactive for two years. I have, as far as you know we or may not have seen we did not receive notice when buying the store and investing in it and it took the property owner two years to figure out how to you know that maybe they should mention it because the rates are up leaving a 16 or 18 thousand dollar bill accrued We can sit here and debate until we're blue in the face whether it was sent or whether it was accidentally thrown away, but at the end of the day, I've got to bring you guys, the property owner, and us into some agreement, or they and I are going to end up in a lawsuit, and the odds are they'll bring you guys in for indemnification. So I want to ask you guys to sit with Mr. Pulitzer and look at perhaps making what we discussed to split the difference retroactive, which will help me decrease the bill with the property owner and hopefully bring them to the table. Moving on to the second part of this, I want to ask, if not plead, for your assistance with the homelessness issue. Mr. Paulson and I had We didn't reach an agreement, but I was supposed to hear from the police chief. I left a message. I'm going to call him again tomorrow. Let me do an anecdote, which you may have seen in an email. We don't really have this problem at our other stores, including San Anselmo. There was somebody on a Sunday afternoon, not in a store, but maybe 100 feet, 200 feet away, who didn't even seem homeless. Nonetheless, the police saw him, showed up for some reason, arrested him. He moved on. On a similar Sunday, we had Beau, in other words, the police know these three or four or five people by name, in the store. getting the drinks, booze, and a joint that he had from 7-Eleven coming into the store. This guy regularly pees in our garbage can, pees in the chair. On the camera, he's smoking a joint. you know, It's hard to run a business. What the police here have done is sort of shooed them to the side, and then they come back later. So I'm really asking you to get the police chief and us together and help us solve this issue with three or four people. Thank you. |
| 00:22:37.02 | Unknown | Thank you very much. Um... The next person's name is illegible. I'm sorry, it looks like it begins with a J, and second name looks like it begins with a B. Is there anybody who? Thank you. |
| 00:22:56.00 | Jeffrey Chase | The Press. |
| 00:22:57.18 | Unknown | No, it's not, yes sir. |
| 00:22:58.97 | Jeffrey Chase | I'm not. |
| 00:23:01.49 | Unknown | Because I have you next, Jeff. So will the person who wanted to talk |
| 00:23:07.88 | Jeffrey Chase | Yes, anybody who else wants to come in. Go on. |
| 00:23:12.64 | Unknown | Go on. |
| 00:23:15.04 | Jeffrey Chase | All right. I just came from the 7-Eleven, Michael. And there were a few people outside of there at the moment and a security guard as well. |
| 00:23:26.95 | Jeffrey Chase | There has been mail that's been addressed to the 7-Eleven as a house of refuge, a sanctuary. A sanctuary. Of all the counties in California, Marin has the, this is open, right? Thank you. Joan. Not so loud. Lowest number of people taking general assistance in food stamps. The ones who voted for Donald Trump in Kern County and Imperial County, They're in a different situation. The anchorage here IS NOT HERE, BECAUSE A few people who had positions of power said okay. The anchorage is here because there are hills stopping the fog and the wind from coming in. The topic is The topic is this, the topic is not the laundromat. The topic is the so-called homeless that the city gets money from and the light that is always burning. It's a perpetual flame I brought, Rocky Pye here, it's how Lieutenant Farras and I met. He said a bike light was- Jeff, can I- Okay, I'm okay. I'm going to move away from the microphone. No, excuse. I'm talking on an open agenda item. |
| 00:24:42.16 | Monica Finnegan | Can I, Geoff, may I? Thank you. |
| 00:24:45.03 | Unknown | No. |
| 00:24:45.37 | Monica Finnegan | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:24:46.13 | Unknown | I'm just... |
| 00:24:46.53 | Monica Finnegan | Bye. Thank you. |
| 00:24:48.64 | Unknown | Could you? |
| 00:24:49.30 | Jeffrey Chase | And to you. Please, stop the clock Mary please. I'm going to finish this please. And I've just stopped the clock. |
| 00:24:50.72 | Unknown | Please. Stop the clock, Mary, please. And I've just stopped the clock and I'd like you to be quiet for five seconds. Okay, and that is, let's have some ground rules. Ground rules, you do not need to shout into the microphone. So please stop shouting. And secondly, for members who are sat here in the audience, this is the time for members of the public to talk about any topic they want. Please don't interrupt them. I can't interrupt it. Please start. Tell me when this is going to happen. |
| 00:25:18.33 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. Please start. Tell me when this is good. I have a minute 22 left. Tell me when I'm OK. Yeah. |
| 00:25:24.84 | Unknown | Yeah. And Jeff, Jeff, you just stop shouting. Okay. Look at us and stop addressing the audience and talk to us. Okay, I'm looking at you too. And stop shouting. Mr. Mayor. Thank you. You may resume. Thank you. |
| 00:25:25.68 | Jeffrey Chase | And Jeff, you Okay. Yeah. Yeah. in the audience and talk to you out. And stop shouting. This is the Nir Tami. The Nir Tami is a fire, and I'm burning with a fire and a passion, as you might tell, especially about my people who are called homeless or anchor outs or whatever, and there are special laws made against them. I brought Rocky Pie here, Lieutenant Faraz. I won that case. That was a bike light. Gandhi said this. Gandhi said this about bike lights. He said... Would somebody like a nice reminder that they don't have a light? Yes. But if they're treated as a criminal from the beginning, that's how they're going to act. I was tased and brought to the ground for a bike light. Gandhi used this to call civil disobedience. And he said, I called it too early. I called the civil disobedience too early. So I'm not asking that in this jubilee year now, when we are faced with the impeachment of Mr. Donald Trump, who accepts money from Trump. corporations as the reason that he's in office and everybody agreeing with him. We are the resistance, and if we're not, we're Trumpists, and if we're not that, we separate ourselves. So that's what the Israelites do sometimes when we're pure, and I'm not always pure either. Okay? I make a lot of mistakes. |
| 00:26:43.90 | Unknown | Not that. |
| 00:26:56.13 | Jeffrey Chase | I hope this speech wasn't one of them. Thank you for your indulgence. Thank you, Lieutenant Farah. |
| 00:27:04.40 | Unknown | Thank you. Now, I'm going to reemphasize, we're going to have some ground rules here. And the first is, if you want to speak, fill in a speaker card and try and make it legible so at least I can identify who you are. Secondly, please do not shout. There is no need. I'm not shouting, and you can all hear me. Okay. |
| 00:27:30.37 | Monica Finnegan | I'm holding up here. |
| 00:27:31.03 | Unknown | The next person, I don't have, Mr. Kiefer, do you wish to address your stood up? |
| 00:27:37.06 | Kevin Kiefer | you Yeah. |
| 00:27:38.37 | Unknown | We've run out of cards, huh? Well, please come on. |
| 00:27:46.18 | Unknown | This is items not on the agenda. |
| 00:27:48.53 | Kevin Kiefer | Exactly. |
| 00:27:49.22 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:27:51.50 | Kevin Kiefer | So my name is Kevin Kiefer. Sorry I didn't fill out a card for this specific topic. Although the members of the anchor out committee or the community that you see here are a member of a community that is not surrounded by land It would appear that we are a landlocked community, yet we are not a landlocked community. And even from a market-based business perspective, our community may never be a valuable asset to your municipality. Our community has often been identified as a burden upon your municipality. The fact of the matter is, your municipality has hijacked the public trust tidelands revenues of our community. Over three quarters of a million dollars per year. is being hijacked and manipulated, invested, and ultimately applied to your municipality's pension funds. Your past, present, and future city employees are personally profiting from the hijacked Tidelands revenues of Richardson Bay. This council is doing its best to amend local policies and regulations to cover up this hijacking of the Tidelands Trust revenues. I wish you would stop. |
| 00:29:07.27 | Unknown | Thank you. I have a card from Adam Calbreth. And this is for items that are not on the agenda this evening, right? |
| 00:29:21.04 | Adam Kolbreth | Hello, I'm Adam Kolbreth. I'm in the Batcha Ball League. Name of the team is Red Rooster, Red Rooster. It's my first time in the league and I'm Just excited as can be to play in the league. However, I do have a couple qualms. The courts are just terrible. I spent the whole winter. Um, What's the word? Um... Grooming them. Grooming them. I spent the whole winter grooming them. I mean, every other day, at least maybe every day. Because I just really fell in love with bocce. And I love Sausalito. I like keeping it aesthetically pretty. Aesthetics are a big thing for me. And I find Sausalito just lovely. However, with the bocce ball courts, I heard that y'all were going to tear down the whole park and make a whole new park, but then that didn't happen. And so, but it might happen, but I don't know. And in the meanwhile, I'm playing bocce ball. |
| 00:30:22.03 | Unknown | heard. |
| 00:30:35.90 | Adam Kolbreth | I play a lot of bocce ball. And it upsets me, I mean furiously, when I roll my bocce ball and it should be going down the wall, but then it hits a little peg out and it goes that way. And it's not just that, because like I said, you don't even have to pay me. I'll groom the courts myself. And all you got to do is just put some oyster shell, and you'll have the finest bocce ball courts in all of Marin, probably all of Northern California. And, yeah, I'll do that for free just because I enjoy perfection, folks. Perfection. Thank you. And when I play bocce ball, if I have a court that has a dip here and a valley there, and then I think I saw, what was that, a gopher. I think a gopher. There's a gopher mound, I'm serious. In one of the courts, I think it's court one. And then it makes it really tough, y'all, to get that bocce. And I'm all about bocce, y'all. Bachi. It's seriously, so if Sausalito could please find some funds maybe to get some oyster shell. I mean, maybe like a lemonade stand. Like anything for bocce. And I think, I don't know how much oyster shell is, I do not. But I'll pitch in a dollar myself, just to get this going. I think it's important. keeping Sausalito aesthetically pleasing. My name is Adam Colbert. |
| 00:32:23.20 | Adam Kolbreth | Thank you. |
| 00:32:23.24 | Unknown | Thank you, sir. Is there anybody else who'd like to comment on items not on the agenda? I don't have any more cards filled in, but please, if you would like to. |
| 00:32:37.75 | Barbara Scott | Thank you. My name is Barbara Scott. I do love to tell anybody that this is where I spent the first two years of my life because my father was a civil engineer building the Golden Gate Bridge. Two of my four children also spent the first years of their life in Sausalito. It's delightful to be back here again. Thank you. I have an announcement for you that I mailed to nine appropriate individuals who are including those on the Richardson Bay. Regional Agency and the City of Sausalito. This is a notification of an announcement of a court hearing To reach consensus between the long standing community of waterborne dwellers in Richardson Bay. And the Richardson Bay Regional Agency and the city of Sausalito. The date and time is April 12th. That's this year, 2017, at 4 p.m., on board the historic yacht Vadura, located approximately 200 yards offshore of Schoonermacher Beach in Sausalito. Thank you. Damian Brown, whom I've known for Oh, 35. Maybe more. THE CITY OF THE CITY OF who records on film the Fairfax City Council meetings shall film the proceedings. Cordially yours. Thank you very much. |
| 00:34:22.16 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:34:30.04 | Unknown | Is there any other member of the public who'd like to talk on an item that is not on the agenda? Yes, Dave. |
| 00:34:38.59 | David Lay | or The presentation from the visitors from Chile was most interesting. um, I know everybody in this room really loves living in Sausalito and looking at the pictures they brought with them, I think that's a lovely place too. Um, When I first came here in 92, there were flags of 14 nations flying in the harbor. And they weren't just people that were living here, they were visitors passing through. In the fall. Um... At the time, there was a big black fence around the park downtown. and that took a hell of a battle to get rid of that. And now we all in this room are really happy that that happened, and it's really magnificent. But at the same time, we didn't have the the working relationship with the government and the Chamber of Commerce to Do something about. some of the shoreline that is fenced off from the shore to the visitors that looks like Tough place to visit. So they go other places. Some of the businesses were forced out of here, like Scanmar Marine and the Anderson Boat Yard and so forth. They moved across the harbor. across the bay, really. Um... So, There's been a really a dearth in the last 10 years of visitors from other places. We should be seeing visitors from around the world all the time. And we all know that we can enjoy those people. We can bring them to our homes. They come into the homes of boat owners out here, but they don't go ashore much because... People get angry when they bring dinghies to the dock. And part of the problem is my neighborhood. But don't. Really, it's all of us. And, um, I think that really we should be after a culture like that rather than a bedroom burb. for San Francisco. We're over pricing ourselves out of what should really be a good neighborhood compared to Belvedere and Tiburon and so forth. And I love our town and so do you all. And I think we can make it better by enjoying the round the world fleet. Thank you very much. |
| 00:37:02.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:06.40 | Unknown | Sir. |
| 00:37:09.59 | John Burke | My name is John Burke. I obviously live on the water. How you guys doing? I want to let you know that we have signed a petition that we're sending to the postmaster of Marin County to do the loss of our mail. We have over 70 signatures here, wondering where our mailers went and why. ONE OF YOU PEOPLE SOMEHOW ALONG THE WAY DECIDED THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD CUT OFF OUR LIVING WAIS. OK. And all we know is that the federal government accepted postage for that delivery. somebody intercepted that delivery and made an order for that. one of you will be held responsible. or all of you, either one. Where's our mail? Okay? And I just want to let you know that this community is tired and done with its siege from you. We've had it. The time is now. Negotiations really aren't there. legally, lawfully, federally. You have really mixed it up. I think you've lost your way about what it is to be a part of a community. Okay, your segregation, your tyranny, your domestic terrorism, invading our boats, invading our home, And the things that you have done OK? are no longer going to have. Okay, we are speaking for ourselves as a community and hopefully a township before we meet again. This will stop. And that's all I've got to say, you people will answer for What has happened? And I hope you have a good evening. |
| 00:38:40.16 | Unknown | Thank you. Is there anybody else from the public who'd like to talk on any matter that's not on the agenda? Seeing none, we will move on to action minutes of the previous meeting, of which there are none. The consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial, require no discussion, and are expected to have unanimous counsel support, and may be enacted by the Council in one motion in the form listed below. Thank you. Is there any member of the public who would like to comment on any matter on the consent calendar? I have one card from Kevin Carroll on item 4E. Sir. |
| 00:39:36.39 | Kevin Carroll | I'm Kevin Carroll. I own Tossolito Taxi. It's been a while since I've been to a council meeting, and all I can say is, I kind of miss Annie and how she invented cell phones and was gonna spend all the money on the pigeons in Sausalito, but things are still interesting here. This is in regarding the Sausalito bike return proposal, which I'm basically in favor of, but boy, it sure raises a lot of questions, reading over the prepared material. Um, They... Starting with the spreadsheet, I notice it estimates on a $10 per bike. but the rates that are advertised on their website that already exists are 20% higher. at $12 and $18. So it's going to be over. that considerably and it just struck me because of disconnect that that occurs. It mentions there that there'll be an employee at the International Circle, which I've never heard anything referred to. as that before. I assume that's down at the ferry landing, maybe? And that raises other issues to me is, you know, who's going to be telling, what signage is going to be at the ferry landing telling people about this service over at Locust Street? Is it just going to be one employee? Is he going to be handing out maps, flyers? Will anything be posted on Twitter? The city signposts will there be a frame signs which I think are illegal in Sausalito I've heard a couple of my customers say that Um, So it's a question of litter and how people are going to be notified. Also, there's no mention of how there's going to be on the website or in the agreement about auditing the number of bicycles that they collect. Is there going to be a cash register? I don't think there's electricity. at that location, are they gonna take credit cards? information about where the nearest cash machines are, I know I get people who go up and down the hill to the airport or who less than 10 bucks want to put it on a credit card. they panic if you tried to charge them cash. |
| 00:42:05.97 | Kevin Carroll | Also, The location, what about signage at Locust Street? Are they going to be hanging signs on the fence? Will it go through the design review process, or will it just be on whatever is the side of the trailer? What about parking? Because obviously, if these people are going to be dropping their vehicles, there are going to be some of them. I don't know how many will be picked up by Uber, Lyft, and or taxi cabs. Will there be? a white zone there for them to do pickups or are they gonna block the street? Uh, What about, and the last thing is weeds. That place looks like a mess. Who's responsible? According to the lease, they're only responsible for their equipment, who's gonna clean up |
| 00:42:48.39 | Unknown | and, Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. |
| 00:42:59.70 | Unknown | Okay, anybody else want to comment on the consent calendar? |
| 00:43:04.12 | Jeffrey Chase | Yes, please. |
| 00:43:07.63 | Unknown | So, Jeff, this is your card? It is. Okay, thank you. |
| 00:43:10.02 | Jeffrey Chase | It is. Did I write better this time, Mr. Mayor? |
| 00:43:12.71 | Unknown | It wasn't you I was actually complaining about. |
| 00:43:15.61 | Jeffrey Chase | Oh, okay. |
| 00:43:16.47 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:43:17.33 | Jeffrey Chase | Oh, that's nice. |
| 00:43:18.44 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:43:18.66 | Jeffrey Chase | I'm just going to talk a little bit about bicycles. |
| 00:43:22.00 | Unknown | Could you keep looking at us? You're not talking to them, you're talking to us. |
| 00:43:23.37 | Jeffrey Chase | Yeah. |
| 00:43:25.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:43:25.51 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 00:43:25.95 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:43:30.14 | Jeffrey Chase | about the bicycles. that last year there were 500 and some bicycles that were chained up, including Mine and my friend Lotus's, I think she's here, |
| 00:43:46.47 | Jeffrey Chase | It discourages bicycle travelers. This wasn't only for local people. Local people weren't exempt. It wasn't only for tourists. It wasn't to discourage specifically people from coming here on bicycles and scaring pedestrians if they go on the sidewalk or parking and obstructing retailers. |
| 00:44:09.68 | Jeffrey Chase | I... expect that you'll think about whether you want to use the apparatus that you have here to put the most easy form of transportation, the most efficient under lock and key, and do it for money, and the person who operates this vendor ship, And his wife. They run the Bicycle Coalition of Sausalito, and they also make their living off of vending bikes. The good thing is that you do hire people from a lot of different places and from Marin, to work there and wear a vest, but they're also looking for bicycles that are parked to be chained. That's also part of their job. I understand it's an issue that industrial tourism is very difficult. Some towns exempt themselves. They say no in Alaska to the cruise ships, even though they know their business will go up. Quadruple. Sausalito doesn't have that option. Thank God that people are allowed to come here. And I've learned about people by living here and by hosting them. So I've hosted many bike travelers. This is one of the most popular routes is Highway 1 through California and through Big Sur to Los Angeles and to the Mexican border and through there too. I've done it. And you can see those people, especially in the summer, that this is a way to demonstrate that we don't need to clog up the streets quite so much. And I know you're going to be talking about transportation, that there is a way to deal with the cars as well. And I'm not asking that they be chained. But it's something to think about. that I come from Detroit and I have a long lasting relationship with transportation. Thank you for letting me bicycle through these streets so many times, almost every time. I appreciate it, and I hope my volume was better this time. |
| 00:46:18.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:18.48 | John Scopazi | Thank you very much. John. John Scopazi, soft little bikes will return. I just want to make it clear that we are not impounding bikes and we don't put the chains on or anything. It is the police chief who does that, not soft little bike return. And we are waiting to update our website via this decision here tonight. Thank you. |
| 00:46:40.13 | Unknown | Thank you very much. Okay, is there any other member of the public who'd like to talk about items on the consent calendar? That's what we're talking about. Yes, sir. |
| 00:46:54.22 | John Burke | There you go. If this council continues to act irrational and without adequate control, the neighboring communities of members of Richardson Bay would be justified in implementing a protective territorial zone. AND I'LL END THAT WITH THAT. |
| 00:47:12.95 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. Not quite a consent calendar item, but we'll move on nonetheless. Okay, seeing no more comments, we'll bring this back up here. We're talking about the consent calendar. Does any of you have any comments, questions to staff on the consent calendar? |
| 00:47:32.53 | Joan Cox | Mr. Mayor, I am going to recuse myself from matters, if I could find my agenda, 4C and 4C. B. B. And I have some very minor comments that I would like to read into the record for item for Thank you. Let's see, for E. |
| 00:47:59.63 | Kelly Darling | E. |
| 00:48:00.78 | Joan Cox | E regarding Sausalito bike return. |
| 00:48:06.64 | Monica Finnegan | Please do. |
| 00:48:07.29 | Joan Cox | Okay, so on the resolution, well, there's a typo. The third whereas has two periods. On the license agreement, there's a blank in section one. I think we should fill that blank in with, I think it's 250 square feet. In section four, we make reference to gross sales twice. I would like to modify that by saying gross sales related to the allowed use in each of those two areas. And on page two, section six, we make reference to withholding and social security. I'd like to add the word taxes after each of those words. Thank you. So I'd like to say not limited to withholding taxes and social security taxes. |
| 00:49:03.08 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:49:06.88 | Unknown | We okay, Mary, with those? Okay. Any other comments from council on... |
| 00:49:16.97 | Unknown | The consent calendar, in that case, let's start off with a motion to approve items 4A, D and E, with E being also including the changes that the Vice Mayor suggested. Do you have a motion? |
| 00:49:32.87 | Unknown | moved or do you want me to read the motion? |
| 00:49:34.00 | Unknown | options. No. |
| 00:49:34.70 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:49:34.82 | Unknown | So we'll second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Seeing none. And now let's move on to a motion to adopt items 4B and C. |
| 00:49:37.61 | Unknown | Hi. |
| 00:49:38.25 | Unknown | . |
| 00:49:51.16 | Unknown | So moved. Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed and recused? |
| 00:49:57.99 | Joan Cox | I abstained. |
| 00:49:58.77 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so that deals with the consent calendar. Okay, now onto the easy items. So item number five is the Richardson Bay Enforcement and Abatement Project Update, introduction of ordinance amending Title 16 of the Sausalito Municipal Code, Boat and Harbor Regulations. Am I starting off with Mary Wagner, our city attorney? |
| 00:50:32.01 | Mary Wagner | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. This item is a continuation of the discussion from your March 14th meeting. On March 14th, you received an update from Lieutenant Frost on the enhanced enforcement and abatement plan. You received a report from me on proposed modifications to Sausalito Municipal Code Title 16. regarding regulations of the city's waters. You received the report, took public comment, discussed proposed revisions, and then directed the item for further consideration to the legislative committee. which is comprised of Vice Mayor Cox and Council Member Hoffman. Thank you. The legislative committee met on March 22nd and discussed some modifications which are laid out in your staff report and then shown as red line changes in the draft ordinance that you have in your packet. You've heard from Lieutenant Frost on multiple occasion about the city's enforcement plan regarding the city's waters. With priorities for removal of marine debris, unoccupied vessels used as storage, unregistered vessels, and then vessels that are occupied by persons who are a danger to themselves or others. Concerns have been raised regarding a statement in the staff report on the third paragraph on page two. The statement indicates a desire to assist Mariners to remain on Richardson's Bay. It's important to clarify that this is not a policy statement that's been adopted by the city council and it's not an official position of the city. The minutes will reflect that and we'll also add a footnote to the staff report that's kept in the city's official records to reference the minutes and to include that statement as well. |
| 00:52:17.16 | Mary Wagner | Mmm. And with that, I will go through the discussion on the actual proposed modifications to the city ordinances. Some of this you've heard in depth already, so I won't spend a great deal of time, but of course, we'll be happy to answer any questions about it. And we can focus a little more on the proposed modifications that are shown in the draft ordinance in your packet. So the city's regulations regarding boat and harbors are set forth in Title 16 of the Sausalito Municipal Code. They're in chapters 1604 through 1620. The proposed amendment is being brought forth in order to enhance the enforcement efforts and was jump started a little bit by the actions that led the city to send RBRA its notice of withdrawal effective June 30th. The proposed ordinance consolidates the existing regulations into a new chapter 16.04. It leaves the provisions in the municipal code regarding houseboats unchanged. And then it replaces existing provisions regarding abandoned vessels with the marine debris law, which we discussed at your last meeting. And then add some of the revisions that are set forth in the RBRA code to ensure that our enforcement capabilities are in place. And then we added a new penalty provision. We talked about marine debris last time. I've included it here. It was put into law effective January 1, 2016, and it allows city authorities to remove and dispose of marine debris certain specified circumstances and those defined terms are included in your proposed ordinance. Thank you. We added a new section 1604 indicating that marine debris may be removed, destroyed and disposed of in accordance with the California Harbors and Navigation Code or successor statutes. This replaces the existing provisions in the code regarding abandoned vessels and removal of obstructions to navigation. And then we added the definitions of marine debris and a vessel and took those directly from the California harbors and navigation code sections. |
| 00:54:40.03 | Mary Wagner | As I indicated previously, we've added some new language to Sausalito's municipal code to reflect some of the enforcement tools in the RBRA code. There's a new section 16.04.030 regarding discharge of refuse. Provides that no person may discharge or permit to be discharged into city waters, any refuse, treated or untreated sewage, and other materials that are harmful. In addition, we added language from the RBRA code about what constitutes a public nuisance. And then we modified that a little bit because the city has its own nuisance abatement provisions in Chapter 12.20, but we needed to change some of the definitions regarding notice and owner. to be more clear. The existing provisions of the municipal code regarding the waters of Dunphy Park are incorporated unchanged. They're put into a new section 1604.050A. which declared the waters of Dunphy Park open water area and where no mooring is permitted. in addition um we indicated in Section 1604.050B that is unlawful for any person to more any vessel or place or build or construct or maintain. a water structure in the waters of Dunphy Park. This also is a carry forward section. as is the language regarding it being unlawful for any person to go bond board occupy reside, etc. A vessel in Dunphy Park waters. So the waters of Dunphy Park is already a defined term in the code and we pulled that language forward. We added language indicating that the map, which depicts those waters, will be replaced with an updated map when that map is recorded, and that process has already been undertaken by the Public Works Department. |
| 00:56:48.01 | Mary Wagner | We cleaned up a little bit of the definitions in that section to refer to the definitions that we've pulled forward from the harbors and navigations code. And that's just a depiction of what the waters of Dunphy Park are. |
| 00:57:04.80 | Kevin Kiefer | What were they? They're graded by labels. Change them, what were they? |
| 00:57:09.91 | Mary Wagner | Just to be clear, Mr. Mayor, we did not change the waters of Dunphy Park. They remain what they've been since they were defined previously in the ordinance and in the area over the blue that's outlined in red. It's somewhat of a rectangle with a little bit of a bump out |
| 00:57:28.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:57:30.56 | Mary Wagner | Mm-hmm. We did discuss this at your last meeting, Mr. Mayor, that the Friends of Dunphy Park have indicated their desire for eelgrass protection and shoreline restoration as part of the planning for the revisions to Dunphy Park. We propose some language for your consideration. It's not included in your draft resolution this evening, but that it would Further clarify this section to provide that the waters of Dunphy Park are open water area, maintained by the city for the purpose of providing limited non-motorized boating that has minimal impact to shallow water habitat. We have not had an opportunity to discuss that at length with the Friends of Dunphy Park. And it's something that could be brought back at a future date after we've had the opportunity to do that with additional clarifications. With respect to the 10 hour limit, this is an item that the legislative committee discussed at length. And what they have suggested was previously, the language in your proposed ordinance, removed the ability of the police chief to give written permission for anyone to stay in Sausalito Waters beyond 10 hours. And the legislative committee is recommending that we add that language back in. So your draft ordinance tonight does have that provision added back in. |
| 00:58:56.15 | Mary Wagner | With respect to beached vessels, we've included a much more succinct statement than was previously included in the Title 16. We've added some language at a suggestion that we received that we clarify that beached vessels do not include vessels that are lawfully docked in harbors and marina facilities, which is a defined term in your proposed ordinance. |
| 00:59:27.81 | Mary Wagner | We discussed previously the language that was added regarding speed and safety. This language was taken from the RBRA code to impose the same speed limit that already exists, but to clarify that it applies in city waters. We also brought forth the language that currently exists regarding no one being able to operate personal recreational vehicles or personal watercraft at a speed in excess of 5 miles per hour. in any portion of city waters within 500 feet of any shoreline. We've clarified the language regarding the penalty for violation of chapter 16.04. And this was discussed again with the legislative committee. We discussed it at the last meeting as well. The new language says that any person violating any of the provisions of the chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. punishable by a fine not exceeding $500 or by imprisonment not exceeding 30 days or both. THE CITY IS GOING TO BE The penalty provisions in Chapter 1.05 still apply and give the law enforcement the ability to treat it as an infraction instead of a misdemeanor. And that's very clear in the language of chapter 1.05. |
| 01:00:47.44 | Mary Wagner | There was also suggested addition to The new language that was added and discussed at your last meeting which indicated that if vessels have been left beached or anchored moored for more than 72 consecutive hours, they could be towed and stored, impounded. It was suggested that the word unattended be added to this section. It's not included in your draft ordinance because it was not discussed at the legislative committee, but we did want to bring it forward for the council's discussion this evening. So what the change would be is that those vessels would have had to be left unattended for 72 or more consecutive hours before they would be impounded. So staff's recommendation is that you provide direction on the two issues that were raised regarding the waters of Dunphy Park and the language regarding unintended vessels that was not included in your draft. Ordinance this evening. and provide any other direction that you would like to give to staff, and then to introduce and read by title the ordinance and actually to direct us to return on April 18th, not March 28th, I apologize for that, for second reading and adoption. And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions, and both the police chief and Lieutenant Frost are here as well and available for questions. |
| 01:02:11.50 | Unknown | Thank you, Mary. Questions specifically on the ordinance, we've got the two members of the legislative committee here. And so who wants to go first? |
| 01:02:32.41 | Jill Hoffman | Jump first. |
| 01:02:33.22 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:02:34.36 | Jill Hoffman | So as the city's representative to RBRA, I'll just jump in here. And the reason, generally, that we touched on this a little bit at the last meeting, but I just wanted to say a little more specifically tonight. The reason that we're sort of, you know updating our ordinances to mirror more clearly the state ordinances and the already existing state ordinances and already existing RBRA ordinances is that we want to be prepared to take over enforcement of Sausalito waters as of July 1st. And so that's why we're updating our own ordinances. But mainly it's just a mirror of what's already in effect via other ordinances. But we want it to be very clear that our enforcement efforts reflect our own ordinances. So that's the main driver on this. |
| 01:03:28.68 | Unknown | Thank you. Could you go back a slide? I think you had there that which we needed to provide recommendations on. Okay. So specifically, is there any questions around this or any questions of actually, you of staff on this or any other matter. |
| 01:03:48.83 | Joan Cox | Yes. Mary, to be clear, although we are, as Councilmember Hoffman described, we are taking this action now because of our situation with RBRA. This ordinance affects only Sausalito Waters, correct? Correct. Okay, so there's a definition of city waters, and so this does not affect boats. anchored in Richardson Bay if they're not in Sausalito waters. Correct. |
| 01:04:22.87 | Unknown | Questions, questions? Anything else? |
| 01:04:27.97 | Joan Cox | I'm just... So, and is it staff's recommendation that, is it staff? The language the staff has provided, is this staff's effort to address the comments from the Friends of Dunphy Park? |
| 01:04:44.45 | Mary Wagner | It was actually our attempt to incorporate the issues that had come up during discussions about Dunphy Park, exactly. So they had raised these concerns about the use of the waters at Dunphy Park and that was our attempt to clarify that. |
| 01:05:00.69 | Joan Cox | has staff transmitted this specific provision to back to the people who wrote to us for the last meeting to get their feedback |
| 01:05:09.63 | Mary Wagner | We sent it to them right before the meeting and unfortunately their chairperson was out of town and I believe may still be out of town. So we have not gotten any further clarification. So, but you expect to have feedback before |
| 01:05:23.97 | Joan Cox | THE SECOND READING. |
| 01:05:24.75 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:05:26.17 | Joan Cox | I DON'T KNOW. |
| 01:05:26.69 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:05:28.19 | Joan Cox | Okay, thank you. |
| 01:05:30.40 | Unknown | Anybody else? Any questions? |
| 01:05:31.67 | Jill Hoffman | I have a question for the police chief. Chief Robacher, are you back there? |
| 01:05:41.91 | Unknown | Yeah, he is. |
| 01:05:42.93 | Jill Hoffman | And this is, I hope, going to be an easy question for you. And I just want to know, do you have any perspective on either one of these? either one of these, um, these these issues that the staff is at asking for direction on either one either dumpy park language or the end attended vessel language does this affect you know, your enforcement effort or your negatively or positively? |
| 01:06:06.03 | Unknown | Thank you. So the, to answer your question, council member, is, The Waters Dumpy Park, we've actually not Discussed at our at the police department level because there are already some rules about that I'm not as concerned about that. I think there's some discussion already in play trying to include the friends at w park there's already |
| 01:06:22.70 | Unknown | I think that's a good thing. |
| 01:06:29.75 | Unknown | existing regulations about not anchoring in Dumpy Park. I don't have anything to add about that one. |
| 01:06:38.53 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, that's fine. And then what about the unattended vessel? |
| 01:06:40.59 | Unknown | So, I'm not sure. Our preference is that the word unattended is not included, I'm, AND THAT IT REMAINS AS not not in you know used in the in the language again we're trying to simply mirror the language that already exists in the rbr regulations and so having a difference i think just uh clouds things a little bit and doesn't really add anything for clarity about what we are able to enforce or not |
| 01:06:53.97 | Unknown | MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF |
| 01:07:12.50 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. |
| 01:07:14.96 | Unknown | Thank you, Chief. Any other questions before I open this up for public comment? Okay, so let's open this up for public comment. And could I have a show of hands of the number of people who'd like to comment on this topic? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. Well, I count 13 people. And I've 15 people. Okay. 15 people, and I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven cards. |
| 01:07:52.19 | Unknown | Lucky center. |
| 01:07:54.64 | Unknown | Okay, so if you want to talk, assuming we haven't run out of cards, if you want to talk, Fill in a card. Okay? |
| 01:08:11.54 | Unknown | Okay, if I really have 15 people, I'm going to recommend to the council that we limit public comment to two minutes. |
| 01:08:21.13 | David Lay | I'd expect that. Thank you. |
| 01:08:23.29 | Jeffrey Chase | Let's go into the night. We've done it before. Thank you. |
| 01:08:28.03 | Joan Cox | All right. Thank you. that we took an item off. |
| 01:08:32.87 | Unknown | Okay. Well, guess what? It's your lucky night. We lost an item off the agenda, so we're keeping it three minutes. There you are. So there's a win for this evening. But guess what? If I don't have your green card, you're not talking. |
| 01:08:48.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:08:48.33 | Unknown | time. |
| 01:08:48.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:08:50.64 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. In that case, I'm going to first of all call on someone who has filled in a card, and that's Kelly Darling. |
| 01:09:04.97 | Kelly Darling | you |
| 01:09:05.04 | Unknown | I can't do that. |
| 01:09:10.64 | Unknown | Good evening. |
| 01:09:12.02 | Unknown | Good evening, this is my daughter Liberty Darling as well. I didn't put her name on the card, but she is greatly affected by these ordinances that you are proposing. Basically, we want to talk about the fact that if you do pass these ordinances the way that they are written, She has a sailboat, she's been, she's grown up on this base. We've lived out on the bay for, I've been there 29 years, she's been there for 11 and a half. And she has a sailboat that she sails every summer. It's a 24 foot little Yankee dolphin. And it is moored on the Sausalito side of the bay on a permanent, what you'd call a permanent mooring. If this ordinance passes, basically, What is she to do with her sailboat? I mean, she's 11 and a half. I'm a single disabled mother. We certainly can't afford to put it in a marina. It would completely eliminate her ability to have her sailboat to sail, that she's gone to the Sausalito Yacht Club four years in a row now and sailed with them and so on and so forth. what is she supposed to do with that? And where would she put that? There's no provisions. provided in any of these ordinances that I've seen for that kind of a situation whatsoever, which I find It's very discriminatory against not only my daughter, but other people in a similar situation who have their boats that are, they're registered, they're clean, they're used whenever the weather is permitting around here. I'm just curious to know if the council realizes the negative effect that it's going to have on the children, the vets, the retired, the disabled people of this community who have been here for many, many, many, many years. More years, some of them than the houses and those of you that sit on the council. What about those people and their effect on their quality of their life and the access to being able to be part of the boating community? That's my one question on that. And then I also want to address the fact that I feel that this is also a very thinly veiled attempt to dump, basically dump this entire issue on the county of Marin instead of dealing with it as a community and a city. I mean, it's real easy to go away, you can make a bunch of ordinances and the boats, you know, it doesn't affect the boats out on the bay, but it does because if you move, Everybody off the Sausalito side of the bay, they're going to end up in the county side. which then puts the entire burden on the county, which, hey, may be great for Sausalito, the city of, It doesn't do any good for the county or the people that live out there. Some of us by choice, some of us by not. But nonetheless, we do live there. We are a community of children, vets, disabled, World Global Cruisers and so on. And you have this ordinances the way they are written. will have a great negative effect on us. And I hope that you take that into consideration before you pass these without maybe changing some of the language or making it available for different situations to exist. Thank you. |
| 01:12:01.18 | Unknown | Thank you very much. |
| 01:12:06.98 | Unknown | Barbara Scott. |
| 01:12:17.04 | Unknown | Okay. Jimmy is it Macintosh? |
| 01:12:28.19 | Unknown | Good evening. |
| 01:12:29.98 | Jimmy McIntosh | Jimmy McIntosh and just to kind of go off of what Kelly was saying is, I am a vet. I've served in the Air Force and honorably discharged and THE WHOLE seen a Sausalito brought me down here in our boat. We have a 40 foot boat that sits on the outside of the channel and I'm kind of confused on With the waters that are in Sausalio Bay, now that you're retracting yourself from the association out there, so you're going to enforce your own regulations which are mirroring what was already out there. Question is, is on. If. they're going to be, I'm saying the police department, if they're going to be enforcing ordinances and everything, is there a clear cut way where if somebody is in distress out there or they have stuff stolen, are they going to call the city for that now? the Coast Guard or the Sheriff's Department. We've had a couple things going out there and been in contact with Sausalud PD and Marin County Sheriff's and each one says it's somebody else's jurisdiction. I've had watches that are $7,000 stolen off my boat and nobody can enforce that law. Unfortunately, if you get something stolen out of your house, you could call Salisbury PD if you live here in town and get a police report done and get hopefully a prosecution. We don't have that out there. We don't have a clear cut. Enforcement, everybody's kind of dumping on the person. So I was just asking that question too, and with that said, so all these ordinances that are being passed right now are just in Sausalito Waters, not outside of the Channel Richardson Bay. That's what I want to get a clarification on. So a lot of the questions that we have to ask. really are on the other side of the channel. So that was the clarification I wanted if this was outside the channel or just within Dunphy Park and Clipper, Schumacher and all that, Sausalito waters. Next question is, if Sausalito is going to take over the waters outside Dunphy Park, What are the plans for removal of debris that's outside of Dunphy Park right now? They got metal bars out there that kayakers get hung up on, children swim out there. We use that with the Zodiac and my dog, and we've gotten hung up on a couple things out there. There's just a bunch of debris with just on the edge of your guys' water that you're going to be taking over outside of the cruising club. So those are the questions that kind of need to be answered in a nice way that I'm asking. Just for clarification. on how we are supposed to live out there and who we're supposed to report to. And have a great communication and partnership with the city and the police department, fire department, and all that. Thank you. |
| 01:15:29.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:29.40 | Jimmy McIntosh | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:15:30.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:33.57 | Unknown | Could I, before I call on the next person, could I ask that we make a note of some of these questions and maybe have staff give the opportunity to answer them if we can at this point. Okay, next, Chad Carvey. |
| 01:16:00.58 | Chad Carvey | Hello, good evening. My name is Chad Carvey, and I was a school principal for 29 years. I'm a taxpayer, a Sausalito Lions Club member, and a Christchurch Episcopal church member, and my wife and I are getting ready to leave on a 10-year sailing circumnavigation in about two years. So when we read these words, the city has also consistently indicated its desire to assist mariners who occupy seaworthy vessels that are maintained, licensed, registered, and have sewage services to remain in Richardson Bay. For many of us, it was a huge relief and warmth in our hearts. And there were tears in reaction to that. It's such a beautiful, finally, an official statement of support. And what we seem to just hear from our city attorney was a removal and erase of that. Please confirm that that is the case, that you're removing, backing away from that statement, and please tell us why you're backing away from that statement, and you can no longer support it. Number two, here are my questions. Because we're going on the idea that you are supportive of this chunk of Sausalito people. We are part of your town. First of all, the Chief just mentioned unattended vessels issue. So those of us who live on our really nice, beautiful boats, sewage every week service to my boat, if we go off for vacation for a week, We come back, our boat can be gone, according to this ordinance. There's no way for us to know, no way for us to stand. So unless there is a system of markers or burgies or decals, something on the boat that says this boat is A-OK, or this mooring is A-OK, they could be gone, unless we do something like that. Number two, a big question, again, if you're wanting to support us, the move from a ticket to a misdemeanor, $500 a month in jail is a big, shh. is a big amount for a lot of people who live on the anchorage. Number two, you need to relook at the lines that just outlined the Dunphy Park waters because there's a little error in there. So it looks like there's been a little bit of leeway made so that the top part of Galilee can be accessed. So it's a good job. Thank goodness we want Galilee to have that access. But the way the line is written, the whole line along the south side of Galilee cannot be accessed. Nor can the whole dinghy dock that all of us use there between Galilee and Dunphy Park. We can't have access to it. Half the boats there have their little outboard motors that go into that. And that, unless you refix those lines, we cannot access the dinghy dock. And that's one of the few we have. Will the police issue permits? Because we have heard before from Honorable Police Chief Rohrbacher that the police are not going to issue these permits. So yes, we put the language back in that permits are going to be required for more than 10 hours. But no plan to give them, no plan to hand them out. And then last, the taking of moorings. What if we go sailing for the day? Is my mooring going to be gone when we get back? Thank you. |
| 01:19:13.55 | Unknown | Kevin Koefer. |
| 01:19:23.81 | Kevin Kiefer | Good evening, Council. According to every map I have been able to access, other than your own, that you just had up in your PowerPoint, the geographical jurisdiction of Sausalito does not include the waters of Richardson Bay north of the Spinnaker Point Line. Therefore, I am not represented by this council here, and you do not hold admiralty jurisdiction over me. Sausalito City waters are non-existent above the Spinnaker Point line. The RBRA was created from the illegal redistricting of the federal special anchorage by the BCDC. Therefore, the RBRA is an illegitimate, organization. And so are the ordinances which this council is now proposing to incorporate into its own illegitimate regulations. This council and this city's employees are struggling to eradicate the anchor out community from Richardson Bay in order to assume full control over the trusteeship of the Tidelands Trust. Tidelands Trust revenues are a part of the public's trust. The living public's trust is therefore a living trust and the public is therefore the co-trustee. As a co-trustee of the Richardson Bay Anchorage community, it is my duty to protect and enhance the equity of the Tidelands revenues for past, present, and future co-trustees. I am taking the necessary measures to do so. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:21:01.90 | Unknown | Uh, David Lay. |
| 01:21:14.56 | David Lay | So Chad already asked my questions and there's a whole lot of things that really need closer attention than I could hardly see tonight. BUT, In my case, even though Chad and his wife say that he's part of a little neighborhood that's a bunch of nice looking well prepared boats, I live next door and I'm his closest neighbor and I'm not. I'm kind of an eyesore out there. Um... Just like Robin Sweeney, I've been looking for a place to live and I can't afford to live in Sausalito. But I can't afford to live someplace close by and I've got a slip for a sailing diggy that is going to be my future. Um... I'm 77 years old and I really need to get off the water so I don't make a slip and be somebody has to find out there. You know, with a helicopter flying all night, that's not fun for anybody. So, yeah, I'm going to move ashore, and I think I can afford to jump my boat. But if I get into a battle with with the town. That just... just makes everything harder. So you all are doing a lot of understanding here and I'm not sure I understand it all yet, but The work that's going on is worth it. Thank you very much. |
| 01:22:45.03 | Unknown | Thank you. Jeff Jacobs. |
| 01:22:51.96 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. I just put down Jeff there, but thank you for adding the Jacob. This is 16-08040. Any person deciding to maintain a houseboat within the city shall file with the city an application... An application of a certificate of occupancy. Every houseboat must file an occupancy certificate. This doesn't include the Anchor Out community specifically. Tonight, all over the country is episode of 1984. If people want to watch that, we're skipping that. And I hope we're not reenacting that right here. 3%, let's put our heads around this a little bit. 3% require general assistance, and in Kern County, the number is 40%. So you have so much less to take care of, 100 people, and you're focusing like a laser beam now for a long time, it seems, on this issue. A nuisance abatement. It says toxic materials, abating public nuisance, the public's health. Um... |
| 01:24:13.49 | Jeffrey Chase | These are mariners, they have a right to careen a vessel, for instance, and I like in the way of beaching A notice is an ordinance. Yes. I am saying that we can be the saw solution. Here. And how is that going to happen? It can happen either way. It can happen if now whatever power is between the RBRA and the city council that is forcing Sausalito to take over and decide to enhance enforcement, whether that means that there's a declaration of us and them, that when the chief did speak once, I heard him say we, and I said yes, and he was talking about we've never had such cooperation, and he meant the police force of the counties and the different police forces of the city surrounding, and not we the people, we the people, we the people. You have a chance here to demonstrate with 100 people. That there's justice here. Tzedakah in Hebrew. It's sadique in India. It covers the globe. And that means charity that is given to somebody in need. And there's so much less need in Marin. And to kick out the last vestige, we take care of the... people that other agencies won't take care of. There's only one low-income house for seniors in Sausalito. We take care of mental illness. We take care of drug addiction. We rehab people. We take care of poverty and homelessness. And we will continue to. |
| 01:26:02.80 | Unknown | Sorry, thank you. Carolyn Kirby. |
| 01:26:14.56 | Caroline Carvey | Hi, I'm Caroline Carvey and my husband and I, Chad, live in the waters of Sausalito just outside of the Bay Model. And we live on a RBR mooring ball. We love the safe harbor of Sausalito waters. It offers a much more comfortable during a storm. It's much more protected being on a mooring, being affixed to that. And if you were to push us out because of the 10-hour rule, pushing us out into Richardson, into the Tiburon side of the channel, it's going to put us in more danger, especially for women like myself if the motor fails, retirees that are kayaking and rowing out there. They're gonna be more exposed to the elements and then it's not protected out there. And so that's why it's really important for us to stay in Sausalito waters. If we meet all the requirements that are needed and that you are encouraging us to meet. And if we meet those, why can't we stay? So, That's my main thing. And then, so we need wording that assures us that we can stay there in the waters if we meet those standards. The 10-hour rule, as currently mentioned, will put us having to legally move or face massive charges. The $500 fine misdemeanor just seems really, really stringent. Um, And if you were living in a house well-length Sausalito citizens, how would you feel about being pushed into the elements, into the harsh elements, when you could stay in a nice, protected harbor? So thank you. |
| 01:27:59.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:28:04.66 | Unknown | um, Robert, Roberto, Lorenzi, Robert Lorenzi, sir? Lorenzi. Yes, sir. |
| 01:28:19.64 | Bob Lorenzi | Good evening. Thank you. My name is Bob Lorenzi and each of you, I believe, received an email from me with a PDF attachment. And the subject of that was I am making a preemptive challenge to two particular sections in the ordinance. One is a 10 hour limit and the other has to do with the Dunphy Park issue. There's a few definitions that we need to consider here that I haven't heard mentioned anywhere and anything that the city of Sausalito has provided. And that is, how does the city of Sausalito establish its jurisdiction over the waters they call Sausalito waters? Is that because Sausalito ground is underneath it that you think you have control over the waters as well? Or is there some definition somewhere that says that Sausalito has an anchorage there that is theirs and they have jurisdiction over? Well, I know for a fact in Ordinance 87-1, page six, exhibit A, The coordinates are given FOR Richardson Bay Anchorages. Nowhere in that exhibit is there a mention of Sausalito. I took those coordinates and I put them into my navigation program. And I came up with two images. One was a federal anchorage, and the other is the other Richardson Bay Anchorage, which just happens to be within the Sausalito city limits. My assertion is that the Sausalito has no jurisdiction over that area. You have private ownership and you have public ownership at the bottom. But the public trust domain says that the public still has access to use that area. to come and go to the shore and back. But these ordinances that you were passing assume that Sausalito has jurisdiction, and I don't think Sausalito has jurisdiction. Thank you. So everything you're doing is not legal. And I'll let it go with that. Thank you. |
| 01:30:49.22 | Unknown | Thank you. Excuse me, sir, would you please rejoin? |
| 01:30:58.62 | Unknown | Thank you, Lieutenant. |
| 01:31:07.67 | Unknown | Alden Bellington, please. |
| 01:31:19.16 | Unknown | And Alden, just before you begin, if anybody else does have any speaker cards filled out, please pass them in. |
| 01:31:29.47 | Unknown | Please, sir. |
| 01:31:31.07 | Alden Bevington | Hi, my name's Alden Bevington. I live on the anchorage in a boat moored just on the edge of Sausalito waters. And the vessel has been there for, I think, 30 years, 40 years, was grandfathered through the last process. As many of you know, I am a conduit point for information between a number of parties that are no longer speaking to each other or never even started. I want to let you know that Me trusting your intentions is actually pretty important. Because if I decide to stop running interference and decide that the only solution is war, because I push a lot of people back from brinks, I can't do everything. But first question I would like to be answered, thank you, is where did the opposition to the staff report comment of, it is the city of Sausalito's intention to support the Livabore community and the Anchorage? Because I've heard that from many people. I think that really needs to be recognized, maybe not as city policy. Actually, it does have to be recognized as city policy. Because there's a lot of people in this community that actually really do support that. I've got a lot of emotion right now, and I've got a whole list of things that I think are problematic with these ordinances. But I got an image of a dam that was creaking under the weight of a lot of pressure. And there's a little hole in it. And you're looking at this hole, and the water's coming out, and you want to to plug that hole but you're not noticing that the whole thing is cracked and that hole is relieving pressure. If you go forward with passing these ordinances, and I really don't want to go point by point through it, your names will not be associated with solving a problem. You will be held accountable to bringing an enormous deluge of problems and mistrust between the parties of this community and the county and the state, and there is a lot of people that have done a lot of research On a very complicated issue, it is going to cost the taxpayers enormous amounts of money. Completely not true, there is no fiscal impacts. So I really, really advise that you consider this As a conversation, do not take unilateral action. Sit down, open your hearts, That's it. |
| 01:34:40.54 | Unknown | Robert Rourke. |
| 01:34:47.11 | Rob Rohr | Rob Rohr. and I'd like to address the Marine Sanitation Devices issue. I think you should amend that section. Under type III marine sanitation devices, The Coast Guard lists them as the least impact on the environment. and that's holding tanks which retain the sewage until it's can be pumped Type 3 is a device that prevents the overboard discharge of untreated sewage or any waste derived from sewage. typically a holding tank with a sealed valve but it also may include, and this is the Coast Guard regulations, may include other types of technology including incineration, recirculation, or composting. The composting one has just been added in the last few years. AND THEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT I've always been an advocate of composting technology. environmental website that stresses that. And so I'd like you to include that in the regulation because they are authorized by the Coast Guard and they're not overboard discharge, but it's just a way of storing on deck without water. Okay. |
| 01:36:04.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:36:08.68 | Unknown | Uh, John Lee Hudson. |
| 01:36:18.72 | John Lee Hudson | honorable mayor, city council members, other officers, of the city, ladies and gentlemen. I came out here, just came out here from Texas about 30 years ago. and uh... I found it a very I feel very trust a lot of trust for you all and I know that what you're going through and I've been listening to And it reminds me of erecting things. You know, this is almost like erecting a certain ordinance. And it reminds me of back in Texas, we had the Texas Railroad Commission. And when you all said something about the legislative committee, I thought this would be something to be easy to research, but I noticed and they control the oil business. They have a dollar for this and a dollar for that. And if that dollar is not paid, then of course, you could miss out on a million dollars worth of royalties. And I got to thinking that these ordinances are you all are making an effort here but It seems to me that There could be a. Just like Ms. Cox, I think, mentioned before, Last week it sort of dawned on me if somebody's motor broke down and what are we going to do? about this and I think there could be a $5 or $10 or some charge that would warrant the cost of issuing the document. for a person that's going to be anchored out or if they're going to be gone for a month that could be 25 cents a foot or It could be a $10 fee. It could be something reasonable. But it reminds me of the day I was sitting down with Dick Gregory. I didn't know he had 11 children and the little grandson there had seen an ad on television. He said, Grandpa? What's an erection? And he said, you go ask your grandma, So I went down and asked her if she'd been shelling some peas or something. She came back and the little boy was smiling. And he said, did Grandma tell you? She said, no, Grandpa, but she said it's been a long time she's seen one around here. |
| 01:38:11.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:17.84 | Unknown | Okay, Robert Bright. Robert Bright? |
| 01:38:27.40 | Unknown | I'm just not going there. |
| 01:38:29.03 | Robert Bright | Thank you. |
| 01:38:29.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:29.23 | Robert Bright | Thank you. |
| 01:38:29.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:33.76 | Robert Bright | Hello. My name is Robert Bright. One thing, just a personal thing for me, I stood up here countless times approaching you guys as Jesus Christ, and I just... For, uh, Well, in that whole thing, I lost myself in Christ and realized, like, he is our life. He is all of us. Like, we all make up. we all make up this beautiful life. And everything that we do affects everybody. That lifestyle out there, is within all of us. So I go, why wouldn't we want to get rid of some, something so beautiful? Like, that people love and enjoy. in a lifestyle. I know I loved living out there. I mean, I've got a family now over in New Jersey that I'd love to bring back here and raise my daughter out there. like, I- |
| 01:39:50.42 | Robert Bright | THE END OF THE END OF THE Well, anyways. |
| 01:39:56.92 | Robert Bright | Govind Like, me loving you guys and you loving us is having love for the Lord and building in relationship with each other as human beings and as brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, daughters. community like is a very strong and important thing and if we can if such a small town like Sausalito can get the mayors and all the surrounding areas to work with the the lowest and to the higher end you know what I mean you guys say well I don't feel any of us are higher or lower than anybody. We're all beautiful people that we need to build a relationship and love towards each other. AND, AND, Thank you for even giving us an opportunity for being here. |
| 01:40:59.37 | Robert Bright | You're honorable in what you do, and we are honorable in what we do and in the ways we live, even though, because we are all perfect life. We're all born perfect. And I mean, we're all perfect life, and we all don't make perfect decisions. And not one of us make perfect decisions in life all the time. And it's so in building this relationship and community and love for each other. would build in trust and understanding and forgiveness in everything. And thank you. |
| 01:41:38.20 | Unknown | Thank you very much. |
| 01:41:45.34 | Unknown | Greg Baker. |
| 01:42:04.34 | Unknown | My name is Greg Baker. I'm almost 78 years old. I've been out in the anchorage for off and on for almost 50 years. I'm always living on a boat, but with boats at anchor. And I've been doing search and rescue, firefighting, and towing for that time, for over 40 years actually. Now I'm partially retired, but I still go out there now and then. Three things that bother me. One, the police department removing buoys and anchors without And I think they misinterpreted the What is it called? The Marine Debris Act. because it doesn't say anything about moorings or anchor buoys. Secondly, persons living on boats in Sausalito waters And don't hang out at the laundromat and the park. Those people appear to come from across the bay and not in the Sausalito waters. My boat to CA Marcy was built here in Sausalito and where now the tennis courts are. in 1977 and has been anchored by the Clipper fuel dock for over 30 years. is where I sleep and sometimes for my grand not granddaughter, goddaughter of liberty. on a limited time, on a limited income, I cannot fund a slip or the associated fees. Please consider other options before passing this ordinance. Thank you for your time. |
| 01:43:39.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:43:45.49 | Unknown | Doug Storms? I don't, oh, there you are. |
| 01:43:56.57 | Doug Storms | I'm, uh... Kind of like Alden Bevington, there's a lot of emotions going on. I was thinking I was kind of feeling like Morgan Freeman in the Shawshank Redemption and when he's going before the parole board. He told the guy, hey, well, Sonny, you just go ahead and do what you got to do because you're going to do what you got to do. It really doesn't matter what I have to say. I don't think it really does. I could talk about the sociological impacts, the people that are struggling, the elderly. Kelly Darling mentioned that. known Greg Baker for 50 years. He kept me from San Quentin, Greg did. I was marooned over there and out of the channel and he talked me safely back into the channel. But he's done that all his life and I could talk about the people that have given sacrificially to be a part of a community, to be a family, to give. I could talk about the federal anchorage. I could talk about the legal problems that you may encounter passing ordinances that supersede a special federal anchorage. This is established by Congress. By an act of Congress it established it. It wasn't made by some podunk mayor or some city council. It was to fulfill an international treaty. There was no time limit for that. BCDC did recognize the RBRA when it was created, but they said, hey, within 72 hours get a permit and then extend it on, I believe, a monthly basis. But they did not propose what you're proposing, changing the historical use of that waterfront. I could talk about my trust and belief that Chief Rohrabacher and the other officers are going to apply this law non-arbitrarily nor capriciously. but I'm not an esquire or an attorney and I don't want to go down that road. It really doesn't matter what I say. But what my last thought in the time that I have is, I think... 30 years ago when this came down and I was a seminary student and I was talking to a guy, to a reporter, I think Mercury News, and we were right into it with the BCDC. And we were in a legal battle and he goes, what hope do you have to take on the BCDC? Nobody beats the BCDC. And I just said, hey, I'm called here as a seminary student at the time. And I was called here to be a part of a community where they embraced me. I think it's going to be a challenging time for all of us, but I know that God is in control. His spirit still moves on the waters in your lives and in our lives. |
| 01:47:08.97 | Unknown | Brian Doris. |
| 01:47:17.66 | Brian Doris | The Press. My name is Brian Doris. I moved out onto Richardson Bay. probably a little more than a year ago. I'm a fisherman from San Francisco. My big problem with unattended vessels Sometimes I'll go fishing for three weeks. Sometimes I'll go to Alaska. I'll be gone for four months, five months. You know what I mean? STILL. an unattended vessel How am I going to, how am I, you know, And another question that pops into my head is, how are you going to know that that vessel is unattended? Are you going to have, I mean, I've seen the police, I've seen the Sausalito Police out there very, very, very seldom. I've seen the Marin County sheriffs out there more often. They're still out there very seldom. Who's to say it's an unattended vessel? I don't understand how you're going to do that. I mean, in order, you'd have to have more than one boat to verify that it's unattended. You can go by twice a day and still not know if it's attended or not, you know. Um. I wouldn't leave my boat unless I knew it was going to be good when I got back. You know what I mean? But I have to earn a living. I gotta go fishing. I gotta go where the fish are. And just I don't get your guys' whole I don't know. I guess it is what it is. Like, Doug, it doesn't matter what I say. I'm just hoping you guys, you know, glean something from this. You know, I'm not just out there living on my boat. I'm out there helping everybody else out there that doesn't know as much as I do about boats. I've been fishing for 14 years. I know a little bit about them. there's people out there that, you know, they love this lifestyle, I love this lifestyle. I'm out there to help anybody ever needs help. They can ask me. |
| 01:49:15.80 | Brian Doris | I just hope you guys help us out too, man. I'm not even gonna take the full three minutes. |
| 01:49:25.03 | Unknown | Peter Glaser. |
| 01:49:30.43 | Peter Glaser | Good evening. I just basically want to echo what Kevin Kiefer brought up and to some degree Bob Lorenzi and also what Alden said about the fiscal impact. I'll start with that. The fiscal impact is going to be huge, I believe. I mean, beyond lawsuits, if you take a boat, you have the cost of storing it. Just all the man hours, I mean, I don't see how there'll be no fiscal impact. And if there are lawsuits, there will be a lot of them, and it looks like there will be. In terms of what Kevin said, Kevin does a lot of research and I read almost everything that he researches. It's really good research. I haven't had a chance to read this yet, but I tend to believe that what he's found out is correct. That brings into question the whole idea of your right to enforce it or to have this ordinance to begin with. and I guess I'd also like to echo what Brian says, and that is that we love the lifestyle out there, and I also help people when they need it. I find it a good thing to do as part of the community, and we really have a right to exist out there and would really like to without being handcuffed, so to speak, and literally. |
| 01:50:52.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.29 | Peter Glaser | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.44 | Peter Glaser | Thank you. |
| 01:50:52.51 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. |
| 01:50:59.53 | Unknown | Well, I've run out of cards. So, and we've met the number that put their hands up. Is there one last chance? Is there anybody else who'd like to talk? Louie. |
| 01:51:12.64 | Stan McCall | Aye. This is Stan McCall. the Anchorage. |
| 01:51:17.38 | Unknown | Good evening. |
| 01:51:18.28 | Stan McCall | I feel like you guys are discriminating against us. . big time. And all you're doing is clearing private people off private property because it's, if you look at the map and stuff, that's all private property except for the waters off Dunphy Park. And that's what you guys took from somebody at one point. So... That's about all I can say. You think about that, private people, private property. You're doing the work of the property owners to kick people off there. to clear the way for the moorings that are already pre-designed, pre-let in there. And the other thing I was wondering, who's paying the taxes on the property? This property that you're calling, you want to get a control of? Are you guys? Who's paying state lands? Waterfront properties Anyway, that's my question. I'd like that answered sometime. Thank you. |
| 01:52:12.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:52:17.12 | Unknown | Is there anybody else who'd like to comment on this matter? |
| 01:52:19.72 | Jeffrey Chase | You don't have to recognize me because you probably don't recognize yourself. Thank you. |
| 01:52:23.97 | Unknown | Sir, if you'd like to speak, if you'd like. |
| 01:52:24.95 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. THE CITY OF THE CITY OF Thank you. You're shouldering a lot of liability and shame |
| 01:52:35.41 | Unknown | You are welcome to talk if you would like to come up here, sir. |
| 01:52:39.95 | Unknown | Yeah, I've been here 16 and a half years. My name is Daniel Knight. And I was wondering if you guys have done any kind of environmental impact study on what would happen if all the holes that we live on, weren't there anymore because I noticed that There's quite a few of these fish like the herring and all that stuff that are, you know, on the way out of their species, you know, extinct almost. And a lot of them breed right under my boat because it provides shelter from the birds and all the other things that can attack them when they're up in here spawning, right? And, um... They lay a lot of eggs on the bottom of the boat, on the anchor lines and all that. And if you were to take all those holes out of there, that would make a major impact, in my opinion, on the fish. And this is a breeding ground for the fish. And I think that they both provide coverage for them. |
| 01:53:32.50 | Unknown | Thank you. Is there any other member of the public, before I close public comment here, would like to address the council on this matter? Okay, seeing no more. We are. |
| 01:53:44.18 | Unknown | more. |
| 01:53:44.72 | Unknown | Sorry. |
| 01:53:45.02 | Unknown | please Good evening, City Council. I'm just a couple things. I was looking over the Richardson Bay Special Area Plan, and I copied a couple pages out of it. And one says on page 54. for amending the special plan, special plan. would amend local governments general plans and obey commissioners pay plan. Each agency may amend his policy and the plan provisions of state law. Authorization by proposed amendments should be referred to each of the participating agencies review comment prior to public hearing adoption. As with all plans, the plan should be regulatory monitored and reviewed. This is part of 354, page 19. I'm sorry, page 19. Section 10 under federal law. River and Harbor Act, Secretary of Transportation is the sole authority which may define and establish anchorage grounds in all navigable waters of the United States. Thank you. |
| 01:54:49.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:54:55.46 | Unknown | All right, anybody else out there who wants to talk? Okay. In that case, I'm definitely closing public comment. Thank you very much. And let's bring it back up here. And if I could ask Council Member Hoffman to kick off. She is our RBRA. Representative, I think, gives some perspective there. |
| 01:55:17.19 | Jill Hoffman | Sure. Yeah, so just in the context, like I said when we started, the draft ordinance edits that are before us tonight are mere ordinances and regulations that are already in effect for Sausalito Waters. They're either in effect from state regulations or from existing regulations. I WANTED TO BE ABLE Um, Ordinances, but because we're going to be taking over likely taking over enforcement of sauce leader waters as of July 1st. we feel that it was important to have our own ordinances mirror those that are already in effect since our police chief will be acting on them. So that's what this is about. These are regulations that are already in effect. Whether or not they've been enforced is another story, but these are things that are already in effect. And they mirror existing regulations. So that's all that this meeting is about. We're not trying to change anything. We're not trying to expand much. It's just mirroring ordinances and regulations that are already in effect. So that's all I have at this point. |
| 01:56:35.01 | Joan Cox | Thank you. I had a couple of questions for the city attorney. One is, We've heard a lot about RBRA and our membership in that organization and our work with them over the years. Do we have the authority to regulate these waters before we withdraw from RBRA? So I'm not asking you to answer on the spot, but it's a question that just occurred to me as we were hearing public testimony. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD perhaps we should consider making If we decide to pass these ordinances, perhaps we should consider making them effective as of the date of the withdrawal from our BRA if that occurs. So that's one question. Second question has to do with the peremptory challenge that we received from Robert Lorenzi. and I wondered if the city attorney had had an opportunity to review that, and if you had any comments or recommendations regarding how this body should treat this challenge. |
| 01:57:50.32 | Mary Wagner | Thank you, Vice Mayor Cox. With respect to your first question, the city does have jurisdiction over the waters that are within the territorial limits of the city. The city is a municipal corporation. It has constitutional powers to enact and enforce regulations in order to protect the public health, safety, and welfare. That's a very general statement, but the cities are given great discretion in exercising and interpreting what that means. We've worked with RBRA up until, and continue to do so, the enforcement efforts that our police department has been undertaking have been hand-in- hand with the sheriff's office and with RBRA. So moving forward, we would have the ability to continue to enforce regulations in the city's waters. With respect to the peremptory challenge that we received, yesterday afternoon I have had an opportunity to review it initially there's a lot of conversation about the the special anchorage and I think it's important to actually look at the language in the the CFR that establishes actually San Francisco Bay as a special anchorage and and what it does is it provides exceptions for certain lights and sounds that need to be made and they don't have to be made in certain specially designated areas. It's also important to note that a footnote was added to the language by the Coast Guard in 2000 at the request of RBRA that specifically indicates that local regulations also apply and should be referred to. So it doesn't create an unfettered right to more or to anchor there. And recognition is specifically given in the CFR to local jurisdictions ability to have and enforce their own regulations. The public trust doctrine is a long standing doctrine that indicates that the waters are, navigable waters are open for trust purposes. Trust purposes have traditionally included things like fishing, AND I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF The argument is made in the peremptory challenge that it means that you have to be allowed to anchor and I don't think that that's accurate. I think that while using the bottom may be something that's allowed under a public trust doctrine, it doesn't mean that it's unlimited and that it has to be allowed to continue. |
| 02:00:30.09 | Mary Wagner | Those were my preliminary responses to that. I don't think that the council needs to take any special action. related to that. The ordinance hasn't even been given first reading yet, so neither a facial challenge nor an as applied challenge has been made. Thank you. |
| 02:00:52.15 | Unknown | Before I ask for my colleagues any other comments, I have one question now, I realize in follow up to Councilmember Hoffman's question, just very specifically here. Um, |
| 02:01:09.41 | Unknown | We have language in the ordinance that basically says... It is unlawful for any person to moor or beach any vessel in city waters in excess of 10 hours without first obtaining the written permission of the Chief of Police. Is that roughly the language that exists in our current ordinance? |
| 02:01:26.52 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 02:01:27.35 | Unknown | Okay, so we are in no way changing our rules on that particular issue. |
| 02:01:27.36 | Mary Wagner | Okay. |
| 02:01:35.28 | Mary Wagner | Correct. And just to be very clear, they're all being, all the regulations that we're discussing tonight either exist in the city's municipal code or in the RBRA code. The city's provisions are being consolidated into one chapter so that it's easier to determine what the regulations are. |
| 02:01:55.49 | Unknown | Thank you. So before we proceed, any other comments from |
| 02:02:03.41 | Unknown | Councilmember Burns. |
| 02:02:08.69 | Jill Hoffman | I do have one additional comment. Thank you. |
| 02:02:10.61 | Brenda De Bruen | Comments or questions? |
| 02:02:11.83 | Unknown | Well, we are in the comment phase. There's been comments. Yeah. |
| 02:02:12.47 | Brenda De Bruen | comment for |
| 02:02:13.03 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:02:15.14 | Unknown | Yeah, we're doing comments, but. |
| 02:02:16.37 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 02:02:16.91 | Unknown | If people have questions, I'm not going to stop them answering. So, please. |
| 02:02:20.49 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, so my comment would be on these two additional recommendations with regard to the and provide direction on the waters of Dumpy Park and the unattended vessels. Um... I would suggest that with regard to the Dumpy Park based on the comments from the chief that since you know that they he has a framework there that he can he can work with already but maybe we we table that until we get specific feedback from the people that were concerned about that. that ordinance. With regard to the unattended vessels, I would support including that. And my direction would be to include that in the ordinances. And that's based, again, on the Chief's comments. |
| 02:03:10.99 | Unknown | I will talk a little bit to the waters of Dunphy Park issue. We talked about this during the conceptual plans and the schematic plans of Dunphy Park from the Parks and Rec Commission. one of the one of the discussions that we had was that we were asking for DATA ON the impacts on eelgrass. I appreciate the wording limited non-motorized boating that has minimal impact to shallow water habitat because I think that's fairly broad. I'm glad that we didn't have in there a specific type of grass that we haven't further uh, surveyed or found out how necessary it is to be in such a large area because we do have a corridor that needs to be open and We've dealt with this before with non motorized boats And there was a concern from groups that we were Infringing on the eel grass with non motorized boats I'm not sure that we were and some of those restrictions were implied during the Parks and Rec Commission's view of the schematic plan. So I'm open to more definition of a corridor that still honors that it's not a motorized playground for motorized boats. However, I'm not sure that eelgrass needs to be considered as a complete blanket for the entire area without that type of corridor. That's just forwarding the discussion we had at the Parks and Rec Commission on that item. |
| 02:04:53.95 | Unknown | I'm not sure. Yeah, I was going to ask you a question to clarify your statement, actually. |
| 02:04:59.35 | Jill Hoffman | I do. I'm looking at my notes here. Right. So my suggestion is that we... I believe the chief suggested that we follow taking out the word unattended. and leaving it as is. I think unattended is a, yeah. He suggested that. Yeah, sorry, my apologies. |
| 02:05:13.29 | Britannia Salinas | UNATTENDED IS A Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:05:16.26 | Ximena Silva | I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO |
| 02:05:19.50 | Unknown | My clarifying question to you, though, was you said you wanted to hold off on the language around Dunphy Park. Now, I think this, around the Dunphy Park borders, I think... You know, it was Jacques Ollman who came up with who's away traveling, memory serves me right, correct me if I'm wrong here, who sort of said, well, I wanna make sure you have something to protect the eelgrass basically or the thing. If you wanna leave it as is, you're leaving it as active recreational. I'm not sure we wanna do that, do we? So I just wanted, so Jacques may not have the right, isn't it, not be quite the right language for him, but it's better than active. Okay. |
| 02:05:56.40 | Jill Hoffman | I would draw. |
| 02:06:01.82 | Jill Hoffman | and I... Okay, that's fine. I agree. |
| 02:06:04.28 | Unknown | I agree. OK. Comments? |
| 02:06:04.69 | Kelly Darling | Thank you. |
| 02:06:07.79 | Kelly Darling | you You had said you might want to get answers to some of the questions. Do you want to do that? |
| 02:06:13.73 | Unknown | Yeah, I don't know whether the staff are going to be ready to do that. So there's been a whole bunch of questions asked tonight. How do we want to provide answers to that? |
| 02:06:25.38 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Let me, can I, does that affect our ability to vote? |
| 02:06:28.50 | Unknown | That's the question. Does it affect our ability to? I think it does. |
| 02:06:29.44 | Monica Finnegan | Yeah. |
| 02:06:29.68 | Joe Burns | Thank you. Thank you. you |
| 02:06:35.81 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:06:36.18 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:06:36.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:06:36.35 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:06:36.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:06:36.56 | Joe Burns | I'm not sure. |
| 02:06:36.77 | Unknown | you |
| 02:06:36.82 | Joe Burns | Thank you. we don't have the answers asking we vote on something that there are questions that are not have not been answered enough to make us go forward uh on this and regarding uh vice mayor's note that uh doesn't correspond with uh when we take over in july My comment. Look, this is a tough one. It really is because you're dealing with people and you're dealing with people's lives. AND ALL LIVES ARE PRECIOUS. This goes way, this goes back a little further, and it goes a little further than just the Sausalito waters. And I was on the RBRA before. And I started my business down at the north end of town in 1979. I was the only gas station down there after Mohawk closed that I was down there. So. I understand. how difficult it is. But the difficulty started when It was easy when we had 80 boats out there. It was manageable. People watched each other. And I realize when I hear this, that you still watch each other. But when you start getting up to 250, 260 boats, you can't watch all of you. And that became the problem that not only did it come into Richardson Bay, but it now has pushed itself into the Sausalito waters. And it is a problem. And I'm not ready tonight to move ahead on that unless I have some questions that were asked by you out in the audience to really make sure that we're doing everything we can to realize that As we move ahead, I don't wanna make it sound insensitive and I don't wanna make it sound that it's not compassionate. but something has, it cannot continue going like it is. That you recognize and that's what we recognize. How we can get to some kind of a communication and an understanding, That remains to be seen in the next few weeks as far as I'm concerned. But just remember that We didn't create this problem and you did not create this problem. The problem was created when Redwood City closed there. area for boats when the Oakland estuary cleared their boats and they are and the majority of them came over here but nonetheless it's We want it manageable. We don't want a ghetto type of mentality, all right? So we're still going to attempt, look. We respect you. We're no different than you are as human beings. The idea is that it's our job up here to attempt to solve a problem. And that's what we, as I hope, move forward will be doing. But we haven't forgotten you. You're the reason that we're even having, we're allowing for you to stand up and say your piece for hours on us. So we're not just with a deaf ear. The ear and the eyes have opened. But the solution has to still be accomplished. So let's see where we go. |
| 02:10:31.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:10:31.62 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:10:31.65 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:10:31.80 | Unknown | you |
| 02:10:32.83 | Joan Cox | I'm I believe some of these ordinances, I mean, I don't have an issue keeping in place stuff that is already in place. My issue at the last meeting was that we had taken out some of the protections that were in place and I wanted to make sure those were restored. I do think that this action should be accompanied by a commitment to prepare a management plan. I understand the urgency of enacting or keeping in place already existing ordinances so that if Sausalito and RBRA separate, Sausalito is not left without any jurisdiction over its own waters or the power to do what it's already been doing. But we read in the staff report a commitment that has been expressed previously, and I would like any action on this ordinance to be accompanied by a commitment to prepare a management plan for addressing the boats out there that are not marine debris, that are not used as storage, that are licensed and registered. So I don't know what that might be, but I would like our, if we take this action tonight, I'd like it to be accompanied by a commitment by us to take action to prepare a management plan. |
| 02:12:14.37 | Unknown | The Press. |
| 02:12:16.49 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:12:17.59 | Astrid Lauer | . |
| 02:12:17.64 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:12:17.66 | Astrid Lauer | Thank you. |
| 02:12:17.69 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:12:17.73 | Astrid Lauer | you |
| 02:12:19.94 | Adam Politzer | Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I've had several meetings with members of the Anchorage and our community here, and as has the chief. over the last year and a half. And I want to, you know, we're blending this discussion on what the future Um, Thank you. of the waterfront is versus the action that's before the council. So the action before the council is actually quite simple. It's preparing if in fact, and we have not voted as a body, if we are in fact going to work out an arrangement with RBRA to continue to coexist, if we're going to go our own ways and come up with our own management plan. or if we're going to have a side letter agreement that we're out, but we're going to continue to work as partners. And there's lots of examples of that. You see that in the fire department, that we have mutual aid, we work together, we don't pay each other's budgets, but we work together. It's really premature and a lot of the questions that were asked today were really focused about what happens to the people that are in occupied vessels. And we started off in January of 2016 talking about enhanced enforcement. Because as Councilmember Weiner just shared the population out there for whatever reason because of the other anchorages closing, the economy, whatever the reasons the population grew to over 250 boats. In that five-year window of time, there were a lot of boats that were also removed voluntarily, boats that were removed because they went on to other ports, and boats that were removed because of storms. And so even with all of that, we have 250 boats. So the discussion about the future of RBRA and the city of Sausalito's relationship is still something that we will be bringing back to the council for a more formal discussion later in May. It is no secret that the city of Sausalito is frustrated with RBRA because of the lack of leadership that we have experienced over the last several years. And so as we move together to look at some of the governance issues out there and how we continue to work together, you know that those discussions will materialize but at at this moment in time rbra's last board meeting which many of the people in the audience were at was in february there is not a board meeting in april they meet every other month they're proposing a meeting a special meeting to to replace april meeting in may but at any one of those given board meetings there hasn't been a talk there hasn't been a discussion about the vision or the management of of richardson bay for us to even talk to them about so at this moment i i asked the council to recognize what council member hoffman said and what our city attorney shared is that we're really just bringing forward what the rules that we already operate under as a member of rbra so if in fact we do depart and we can't find common ground with rbra we have rules that can continue to govern the waters as has existed in in the past the management discussion of what happens next there's been a lot of discussions in my office with Alden and Doug and a variety of other people that have all been invited to come talk to me, including Kevin. And I welcome them to continue to come talk to me and see how we can help. But it's a big discussion, and it's a discussion that doesn't just affect Sausalito waters. It's all of the waters of Richardson Bay, and you have four other agencies, Tiburon, Mill Valley, Belvedere, and the county that have to be a part of that discussion. And regardless if we're in or out, those discussions will need to occur. So to have this held up prematurely actually delays a bigger discussion that's necessary with the county and the other members of our bureau regardless if we're in or out. So I just, I ask the council to consider approving the recommendation tonight to move forward the first reading. It will come back at the next council meeting for its second reading. If there are additional information that the council would like staff to consider, please direct that to us and we would continue to research it. Please. for the audience and for the council. The management issue is not related to the ordinance drafted before you tonight. |
| 02:17:07.27 | Unknown | Could I ask my colleagues up here to specifically indicate what questions specifically need answering that relate directly to this consolidation of all our ordinance provisions? |
| 02:17:28.87 | Unknown | I mean, what questions do you feel you need answering in order to, if you so desire to, make these passes ordinance. I'm sorry sir, we've closed public comment. |
| 02:17:49.51 | Unknown | I guess I will ask just in general, does the chief of police have authority to provide a permit for a vessel in our waters for longer than 72 hours, just like it does for the 10-hour limit. would we be able to do that? We couldn't since we're just passing the same law over on the books, correct? |
| 02:18:14.95 | Mary Wagner | It's not included. |
| 02:18:15.97 | Joan Cox | in this draft? It's not currently. |
| 02:18:16.35 | Unknown | It's not currently. |
| 02:18:17.37 | Joan Cox | Thank you. But but they do for over 10 hours. |
| 02:18:21.05 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:18:21.13 | Joan Cox | anything that he can say over 10 hours for the 70 years over |
| 02:18:23.73 | Unknown | for the police said it was over 10 so. |
| 02:18:25.28 | Joan Cox | That's right. |
| 02:18:25.47 | Joe Burns | that's a good one. |
| 02:18:29.08 | Joe Burns | my question is rather than attacking that way is |
| 02:18:33.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:18:37.90 | Joe Burns | What do we how do we go about first making sure that boats that are not registered. And boats that are not see where they should be the first on the list. Not not just going after the boats that are registered or in compliance. |
| 02:18:55.77 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:18:55.91 | Joe Burns | AND WHERE DO WE? |
| 02:18:55.94 | Jill Hoffman | and I'm sorry, go ahead. |
| 02:18:58.04 | Joe Burns | Thank you. Go ahead, you know, let's take the correct steps first. |
| 02:19:06.25 | Jill Hoffman | So if I could address that really quickly. And I think there are references in the staff report to the prior presentations made by the Sausalito Police Department on sort of our policy going forward in the Sausalito enforcement policy. and THE CITY OF I'm going to ask you to ask That's fine. But, to answer your question, There's a very clear phased approach, and that's in which the first is marine debris and vessels that are not seaworthy, vessels that aren't registered. And so there's a very, very clear phased approach that the police are proceeding on that they put out to the community many times. I mean, I think they've had five or six meetings. Adams had meetings. So I don't think anybody's changing that. that sort of approach. And the policy approach, that by the way, we have voted on as a city council. And we directed the police to go forward in that way. We're still in, very squarely in phase one. We're very squarely still in, there's still a lot, I believe, of marine debris that's out on the water that still needs to be taken. that vessels aren't seaworthy, that vessels never were and never will be a navigable vessel. So we're still clearly in that phase. Not to digress in this conversation about what the management plan is going forward, because the only thing before tonight is the ordinance consolidation. right and so let me just say clearly I agree with all of your comments that you made this evening Councilmember Weiner and all of your comments so I don't think there's disagreement on this panel on those issues as I look in the eyes of all the council members up here today. But that's, as Adam said, that's a very, very big discussion. And with an overlay of five different municipalities that have a dog in this fight, and how we go forward, and many different agencies that also have rules and regulations about how to move forward. in my mind, That's a much larger discussion that I think we as a city council are AND, AND, agreement on about how to go forward. But that's not the discussion tonight. And the first discussion tonight is really to make, to, consolidate our ordinance, as I said, make it easier for people to understand and find what the ordinances are, and make it easier for our police department when they go forward with the phased enforcement plan as it exists. And so we could ask the police to come back, again, but I don't think that, I don't think our enforcement procedure, or enforcement plan has changed. And by the way, that was also the enforcement plan that was adopted by RBRA. So, and our police department has been working in collaboration with RBRA, with the Marin County Sheriff's Department, and I don't believe our police foresee any change operationally. in how they're proceeding. as we move forward. Really, the discussion tonight is just about voting on the changes so that this is a first reading, so the second reading, so that things are in place whenever. I mean, it doesn't really matter to me whether or not we're still in RBRA or we withdraw from RBRA. We still need to clean this up for our own waters. |
| 02:22:42.24 | Joan Cox | If I could just clarify, the reason I raise the management thing is that our staff report says In order to implement the next phase, the City Council will need to provide direction for staff to return to the City Council via the Legislative Committee for the Council's consideration of a management plan prior to June 30, 2017. So that's in our staff report. And so I considered that we were being asked to provide that direction in addition to this recommendation. And so that's what has got me a little bit sideways. |
| 02:23:20.69 | Unknown | sideways. Could I ask staff the question? Where did that come from? We got plans, put a management plan in place. |
| 02:23:31.11 | Adam Politzer | prior to June? No, I don't think that that's the intent. I think the intent is to begin that discussion. I think that I've heard from several different council members throughout this process from the orientation of our two new council members, because this is an item we've been talking about for years, and then obviously the three council members that continue to hear presentations on this from years in the past. So when are we going to start that discussion? And the same thing that I said earlier in my comments was that we're not having these conversations with RBRA. At some point, someone's got to start the conversation. It doesn't mean that we're going to come forward by June 30th with a plan of action, but the conversation needs to begin. So however that was communicated in the staff report, the intent is for us to begin that conversation because we've been asking RBRA to have that conversation with us. |
| 02:24:23.37 | Joan Cox | So I would like, again, I would just like to see if we adopt this ordinance, I would like it to be accompanied by that direction to staff to commence that dialogue and that conversation about a management plan. |
| 02:24:40.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:24:40.72 | Joan Cox | I have no idea. |
| 02:24:40.97 | Jill Hoffman | objection there. |
| 02:24:41.80 | Joe Burns | Yeah, no, not right. |
| 02:24:43.21 | Jill Hoffman | That's fine. |
| 02:24:43.70 | Joe Burns | Thank you. You know, we do have to If we do withdraw from RBRA, You know, if you really, really look at the time, It's a very short period of time. You're talking about less than three months. So. I think no matter what, we have to have, we should have something in place because I think I all agree with you there that RVRA has been a misfit. Okay. |
| 02:25:13.93 | Joan Cox | Okay, so I had just two technical comments. In our ordinance, our proposed ordinance, it says, whereas the City Council held a duly notice public hearing on March 14, 2016, I think we need to change that to 2017 and we should add today's date and April 14, 2017. I THINK I'M GOING TO BE And then in our ordinance where we talk about the, I still am in favor of adding the word unattended. because i think that gives it's still, it's in keeping with our purpose, our, our, our, um, priority of removing marine debris, unoccupied vessels used as storage and unregistered vessels. So I think, if someone is on their boat that's not going to get towed right away i think that is consistent with THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE adopted so far. And with respect to the waste, I agree that composting should be an acceptable form of waste removal. There are, I mean, I had a marine, a compostable toilet on my boat. So I do believe that that is a viable waste removal |
| 02:26:35.01 | Unknown | Well, is, let me for clarity, does composting include discharge into the water? Thank you. |
| 02:26:40.04 | Joan Cox | No. No. |
| 02:26:40.61 | Unknown | then it's not then it shouldn't be applicable to this |
| 02:26:44.17 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:26:45.61 | Unknown | This only talks about discharge. So it's already. Where are you? 16.04.30. 030. I'm sorry, page five of nine. |
| 02:27:01.99 | Joan Cox | Yeah, you're right. It's not discharge. Yep. Yeah. |
| 02:27:10.95 | Unknown | Can I ask a question? Please. the the waters of dumphy park are already established correct that's already in the previous app and i'm okay going forth with the recommendation for tonight is there or what would be the process of creating a corridor for use both the cast marina and the cruising club if we got to the point of needing to create a motorized corridor |
| 02:27:42.68 | Adam Politzer | Well, for both Cass Marina and the Cruising Club, those items will come before the Council, hopefully in the near future. because cruising club is looking for a long-term lease so we can review the waterways and the Cass Gidley also has a occupational, they have a permit to lease the property, but they actually don't have a use permit yet that I, to my understanding. |
| 02:28:12.40 | Unknown | And I imagine any lease would not supersede an ordinance that states a map. |
| 02:28:18.64 | Adam Politzer | And I'm not saying that you would use the lease to create this. I'm saying you would use those two discussion items to revisit this if necessary. |
| 02:28:26.84 | Unknown | Okay, so we could then create the corridor through those discussions. you Okay. |
| 02:28:33.37 | Unknown | Okay. So... |
| 02:28:36.98 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. So at this time, I'd like to make a motion to introduce and read by title only an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending Title 16 of the Sausalito Municipal Code, Boat, and Harbor Regulations to amend Chapter 16.04 and consolidate the provisions regulating city waters and to delete Chapters 16.12, 16.16, and 16.20 and direct staff to return on April 18, 2017 for second reading and adoption. |
| 02:29:11.02 | Robert Bright | confused. |
| 02:29:12.35 | Jill Hoffman | that was set up. |
| 02:29:13.75 | Kevin Kiefer | by your previous |
| 02:29:15.27 | Unknown | Do we have a second? Check it. |
| 02:29:19.75 | Joan Cox | I'd like to propose an amendment, which is that we include as a part of this action. direction to staff to return to the City Council via the Legislative Committee for the Council's consideration of a management. plan. prior to June 30, 2017. |
| 02:29:38.38 | Unknown | I really am not sure about that because first of all, I'm not sure the legislative committee is the right body, number one. Number two, we need to see how this fits into the agenda setting process and timing. |
| 02:29:54.96 | Joan Cox | It's fine with me to take out the June 30. The June 30 was there because of our BRA. |
| 02:29:58.27 | Unknown | Right. And I think the legislative committee as well. This may in fact need either a separate task force or it may very well be the legislative committee is the answer, but I'm not sure I'm ready to say that tonight. |
| 02:30:10.08 | Joan Cox | I'm not sure I'm ready. It's fine with me to take out the words via the legislative committee. |
| 02:30:14.84 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:30:15.26 | Joan Cox | So, Madam Councilwoman, my proposed amendment is that the City Council, that we provide direction for staff to return to the City Council for the Council's consideration of a management plan. |
| 02:30:33.24 | Jill Hoffman | That's fine. I'll accept that. |
| 02:30:35.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:36.05 | Unknown | MEDICAL. |
| 02:30:36.20 | Unknown | I'm going to try a second. |
| 02:30:36.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:37.62 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, all in favor? No, let's use it. |
| 02:30:39.24 | Unknown | So let's have a roll call vote. |
| 02:30:45.64 | David Lay | Thank you. |
| 02:30:47.16 | Unknown | You know what they're saying? |
| 02:30:48.12 | Jeffrey Chase | . Yeah, I do. Yes. |
| 02:30:51.82 | Unknown | Councilmember Burns. |
| 02:30:53.37 | Joe Burns | Yes. |
| 02:30:54.60 | Unknown | Councilmember Weiner. |
| 02:30:56.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:56.35 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:30:56.37 | Unknown | The President. |
| 02:30:57.57 | Joe Burns | don't tell me what to do. |
| 02:30:59.78 | Unknown | No. |
| 02:31:00.69 | Unknown | . |
| 02:31:02.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:02.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:02.61 | Unknown | Thank you. you |
| 02:31:04.40 | Joe Burns | I will abstain. |
| 02:31:07.69 | Unknown | Council member Hoffman. Yes. Vice Mayor Cox. Yes. Mayor Withy. |
| 02:31:12.33 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:31:12.35 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:31:12.99 | Unknown | you That carries 4-0-1. |
| 02:31:15.02 | Unknown | 4-0-1. Thank you. I'm not sure. Okay, thank you. We'll be taking a... short break and look forward to our next item. Thank you. |
| 02:31:25.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:36.16 | Mary Wagner | I already started that one. |
| 02:31:36.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:31:37.09 | Bob Lorenzi | Thank you. |
| 02:31:37.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:39.45 | Bob Lorenzi | We're good. Thank you, Amy. |
| 02:31:47.11 | Unknown | Okay, we're going to resume our City Council meeting. Item 6A is a machine shop status update. And Danny Castro, our community development director. |
| 02:32:00.04 | Unknown | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. As you mentioned, this is a presentation of the machine shop status update from the U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs. The machine shop is an approximately 27,400 square foot, two-story wood post and beam industrial building clad in plywood. sheathing initially completed in 1942, early on in the life of the Marin ship. The machine shop is closely associated with the production of Liberty ships and tankers during World War II, and an example of an industrial building built for one of the emergency yards constructed in the San Francisco Bay Area after Pearl Harbor. The machine shop property is owned by the US Department of Veteran Affairs. A working group was formed by the City Council that consists of Mayor Withy and Council Member Hoffman. We did recently meet and the Department of Veteran Affairs is here today to make a presentation. Just a brief overview, the machine shop building is located in the public institutional general plan land use designation. It's public institutional in terms of the zoning, PI zoning district. It's within the Marinship Overlay District. It is listed on our local historic register, and it's also most recently listed on the National Register of Historic Places. The project, again, is owned, or the property is owned by the U.S. Department of Federal, U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs, which is federally exempt from local planning regulations. With that, I'm going to introduce Paul Cruz, the Deputy Director, Michelle Millers, the chief engineer from the San Francisco VA, and Shahidat Abbas from Section 111, the project manager for that. |
| 02:34:01.91 | Unknown | And let me just say thank you for coming and welcome. |
| 02:34:05.51 | Paul Cruz | Well, thank you very much. And Mr. Mayor and council members, it's nice to be here. And we just do want to give you an update on where we are. And as he had just spoken, I am Paul Cruz. I'm the deputy director of the health system. And I brought with me the subject matter experts tonight who will give us an update. First off, we're going to go over the preservation aspects and some updates on that. And Michelle Mellers, our chief engineer, will give that. Then Ms. Shahidat Abbas has come in from DC from our construction and facilities management real property team who will talk about the historic reuse plan and then we'll just wrap things up a little bit about our communications plan that we wanna go forward with in the future and what we've worked out with the city. I don't want to belay this. It's been a long night for you guys. So, Michelle, if you want to go ahead and come up. Are we doing the slides or y'all doing the slides? I have the thingy. |
| 02:35:04.69 | Michelle Miller | We don't. |
| 02:35:05.28 | Paul Cruz | We do. |
| 02:35:05.90 | Michelle Miller | you |
| 02:35:16.67 | Michelle Miller | Good evening, I'm Michelle Miller, the chief engineer at the VA here in San Francisco. And we're going to give you a bit of an update on our status of our project. So we currently have a project that was just awarded, awarded March 20th of 2017, so just a couple weeks ago. When I met last, was in this setting, I believe back in October, I was announcing that we had just opened bids. And we had a bit of a delay in the award of the project due to some bid irregularities. There were some legal issues that had to be resolved, but I'm very pleased to announce that we do have a contractor on board now. Very recently, we have not yet met with them, but we're looking forward to doing that and getting started on phase one of the project, which is the... first thing here, which is the preservation of the machine shop building envelope, the mothballing activity, and then phase two, installation of the modular buildings. |
| 02:36:06.23 | Unknown | HERE WE ARE. |
| 02:36:15.95 | Michelle Miller | So the scope of work for the machine shop renovation And keep in mind, this is really just a securing of the building's envelope to prevent further deterioration. So this is not the final at all look of the building. It is just, as I said, to... to get the building so that it's weather tight and further deterioration doesn't occur. So we'll be removing the exterior plywood sheathing the existing roofing materials, selective exterior window panes, specifically the broken ones, and door trims. And we'll be installing new cement backer board, that is... cut in size to the original plywood and has the same patterning that plywood would have. So trying to make it look as similar as it did. Single ply of TPO roof. corresponding window panes and door trim, and a new chain link fencing for around the entire facility. Again, the second phase is the modular building plan. This was scoped in the project in three levels, one, two, or all three buildings. Yeah. They are to be set in front of it. So moving forward, again, the mothballing will occur first. That was described in the project requirements as the first phase, and the revisiting the size and function of the modular buildings. understand that with the section 111 which we'll hear about in a few minutes if that is going to take off and that will have a positive outcome the placement of of any of the modular buildings will be revisited with understanding of what the timelines are and if it would be a good investment to actually place them for a limited time. |
| 02:38:18.09 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:38:18.34 | Michelle Miller | And, okay, so the current schedule, which this is actually the same, slide that we presented all those months ago. And it's still valid because the start date was always the award plus the amount of days. So unfortunately, it took us a little bit longer to get to award than we had hoped and counted on. But nonetheless, we will be issuing notice to proceed within 60 days of the March 20th date that was the awarded contract. The machine shop rehab would start within the notice to proceed within 120 days and that's based on the contractor making it through the submittal process and such. and then the modular delivery and installation, and again, that will be based on the approach we take within the 240 days. So the building will be completely the envelope will be completely restored prior to beginning of the modular installations. I believe that that is where I end. |
| 02:39:18.88 | Paul Cruz | Thank you. So we'll bring up Mr. Voss to go briefly through this unless you wanted to |
| 02:39:24.38 | Unknown | Can we ask a couple of questions on that topic before we move on? |
| 02:39:25.52 | Paul Cruz | A couple of... Thank you. |
| 02:39:28.97 | Michelle Miller | Sure, sure. |
| 02:39:29.89 | Joan Cox | Do you have a slide that shows the positioning of the modulars as juxtaposed to the machine shop? |
| 02:39:38.08 | Michelle Miller | I believe it was on that. |
| 02:39:39.88 | Joan Cox | Maybe I missed it. So I don't see the machine. Oh, I see. |
| 02:39:43.68 | Michelle Miller | I'm not sure. Thank you. I see. I was here. And this is the three modular children. |
| 02:39:51.31 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:39:51.33 | Monica Finnegan | Thank you. |
| 02:39:51.36 | Joan Cox | So which side? |
| 02:39:51.61 | Monica Finnegan | in the- Bye. Thank you. |
| 02:39:56.03 | Joan Cox | Yeah. Okay. |
| 02:40:02.90 | Unknown | Okay. Isn't it where base cities used to keep their crops? |
| 02:40:09.72 | Michelle Miller | If you go to the very first. |
| 02:40:10.28 | Paul Cruz | The very first slide. |
| 02:40:11.91 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:40:12.30 | Paul Cruz | Thanks. |
| 02:40:13.38 | Joan Cox | the art. |
| 02:40:14.87 | Paul Cruz | Yeah. Sits where the dumpster is. |
| 02:40:17.53 | Michelle Miller | Yeah. |
| 02:40:18.17 | Joan Cox | So it's where the dumpsters are? Yeah. |
| 02:40:19.67 | Paul Cruz | Yeah. |
| 02:40:21.50 | Michelle Miller | it right there okay in the front and the paved area all right thank you |
| 02:40:22.81 | Joan Cox | Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:40:24.65 | Unknown | All right, thank you. Any other questions on this topic before we move on to the next? the historic piece of this. No, okay. Sorry for interrupting you. |
| 02:40:34.76 | Michelle Miller | No. Thank you. |
| 02:40:40.21 | Paul Cruz | I'm up on your presentation? |
| 02:40:44.48 | Shahidat Abbas | Good evening. My name is Shahid Adabas, and I flew in from DC to talk to you tonight. |
| 02:40:49.56 | Paul Cruz | Glad to be here. It's a little late for her right now. But I'm away. |
| 02:40:50.30 | Shahidat Abbas | Thank you. |
| 02:40:54.39 | Shahidat Abbas | But I'm awake. That's 1 AM. I'm here. I'm awake. Yeah. Thank you. So the question is, after the enveloping project that Michelle talked about, what's next? And the next thing is, let me give you some background first. I'm sorry, I skipped ahead. Section 111, as was mentioned, is the section in the National Strip Reservation Act that allows federal agencies such as the Veterans Administration. to out lease or exchange historic unused or vacant historic properties to the private sector. So we are looking to engage the development community to help us adapt and put this building back into productive reuse. So that is our goal here. But in order to do that, first we had to do a feasibility study to determine if this was a viable project or not. That study commenced in August of 2015 and we concluded in October of that year. And the study determined that, yes, this is actually a good project, that while it may be expensive and complex, a developer can expect to make a positive rate of return, which is good news. And the next slide, please. So in the meantime, what has happened, the property was listed on the National Register of Historic Places for two reasons. Number one being the contribution to the Liberty Shipyard Building effort during World War II. And also the building is historic for its contribution to the Civil Rights Movement. So our next steps in our solicitation process, which will intend to go to market this spring with a request for qualifications from potential developers. And we've actually had a lot of interest so far. So this is all good news. After that we would do a vetting process and actually select, go through detailed proposals and select a qualified developer to work on the building. We expect to do award in the spring or spring, summer time of 2018. So it'll be a while before the building is actually complete and up and running, which is why the mothballing project's happening now is very important. and I also, And at the end, there is my email and telephone number for any additional questions. Any questions? |
| 02:43:03.99 | Unknown | Any questions? Period. |
| 02:43:14.05 | Unknown | Thanks for traveling all this way. I'm new to the council, so I was not here in prior discussions, so this might seem maybe re-asked at a different point. When you do the enveloping, It sounds like even though that's a temporary product, it is trying to match the look of the current building. Given that this is a very unique use and a very unique building, I'm sure the materials are found in other areas where the wartime effort built property like this. Have you enveloped a building similar to this and have an understanding of something that you mimicked and did this before where we know that it'll look similar to how it did? |
| 02:44:04.03 | Michelle Miller | So no, we don't have, so we're in the healthcare business. We're really not in the building. in this business. We did have very close consultation with SHPO, and they recommended that we consult with the preservation brief 31, which is a very specific guide on mothballing of historic buildings. That brief 31 was consulted with during our professional services contract. So this is not something that the VA designed on our own at all. This is something that the VA designed on our own at all. This is something that we hired an architect engineer firm to consult with us. And they did consult with that briefing. Thank you. |
| 02:44:52.22 | Unknown | Could, maybe it's Danny who would be to answer this. There was no mention here tonight that the Mothballing Project has in fact been in front of our Planning Commission. If that's correct. |
| 02:45:13.39 | Unknown | Thank you. Good night. |
| 02:45:15.43 | Unknown | So could you just fill the council in as a whole as to the interaction with the Planning Commission on that? I think that might preempt some of the questions up here. |
| 02:45:25.01 | Unknown | So yes, this project, the mothballing and the modular office buildings did go to the planning commission under a study session. It wasn't a particular application because there wasn't an application for this. But the department, the VA, agreed to come to the planning commission and present both the mothballing and the modular office buildings. |
| 02:45:49.72 | Unknown | And was there any substantive feedback from the planning commission? Was there any worries or did any concerns get addressed? |
| 02:46:00.18 | Unknown | There was some level of concern regarding who the users would occupy the module office buildings and that some concern about parking in the area. But, um, It was understood by the Planning Commission that unless they come back further with a new use for the building, for the actual machine shop building. They were limited in their comments and provided no other comment. |
| 02:46:30.35 | Unknown | Okay. So any other questions? I've heard all of this because I was on the working group. So yeah, please. |
| 02:46:37.41 | Jill Hoffman | Can I follow up on Danny's comments? THE FAMILY. Just based on his comments, can you tell us who will likely be in the trailers and the parking situation? |
| 02:46:47.21 | Paul Cruz | So right now what we're looking for, if that is depends on the historic reuse and so forth, if that goes down. What we will be using this for is administrative swing space. We have some projects that are going on that will allow us to be able to bring those folks over. We do know that it's going to be limited just due to the fact that there is not a lot of parking. So it is really going to be just a, you know, I would say no more than 20 people or less just because of the limitation of the parking. So we're very aware of that. And we'll just be using it sparingly. |
| 02:47:19.73 | Jill Hoffman | It's anticipated that the parking will be within the On the chain link fence? Correct. Okay, thanks. |
| 02:47:24.01 | Paul Cruz | You know, chain link. |
| 02:47:25.33 | Maritza Pasten | . |
| 02:47:25.47 | Paul Cruz | Yeah. |
| 02:47:28.86 | Joe Burns | Any other questions? Other than how much damage did it sustain from this last winter? you know |
| 02:47:40.58 | Michelle Miller | So honestly, I haven't been in the building since about November of last year. I was in the parking lot outside the building, maybe in January or February. The building needs this enveloping, certainly. And I think that the soonest we can get out there is the best we can do. There aren't, well, again, I wasn't in since all these rains have occurred. |
| 02:48:08.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:48:08.61 | Joan Cox | AND I THINK IT'S A |
| 02:48:09.95 | Unknown | Okay. Please. |
| 02:48:13.25 | Joan Cox | Does the building enveloping include any work inside to prevent deterioration, So for example, removal of standing water or issues requiring immediate attention. |
| 02:48:29.35 | Michelle Miller | Thank you. It does not. There's no work on the inside. It is only to weatherproof the building. |
| 02:48:37.93 | Paul Cruz | Joe, any? |
| 02:48:39.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:48:39.95 | Paul Cruz | . |
| 02:48:40.12 | Rob Rohr | Mm-hmm. No. |
| 02:48:41.20 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay, well look, let's open this up for public comment and then we may come back to you with some more questions. Okay, then thank you. I just have one card here, Jeff. Feud, uh... |
| 02:49:03.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:49:03.80 | Jeffrey Chase | Hello, Mr. Mayor. I saw a date that was on the slide and it said spring, summer 2018. |
| 02:49:17.50 | Jeffrey Chase | I think there really is only one time, and that time is now. Even though we're going to have a little more awareness, of with the two week now preview of what's going to happen with that vote that you took before. I'll link it to this issue here, which is that we're leaving another building empty to go along with the movie theater. And Sartage Restaurant, which was not only an inexpensive chai shop that served very good food, but a community center. And they opened up on Thanksgiving for the people. |
| 02:49:59.08 | Jeffrey Chase | In the Torah portion for this week, it says, you've got to come and testify. Herb. Otherwise you have to bring an animal or maybe some matzah. to a Kohen rabbi. So I would never tell even a person who I feel like I identify with by birth what to do. I'm not that person, even though it's interesting that you say that, because the name of the portion for this week, it's SAV. Another place that's also not occupied is at Dunphy Park called Cass's. Cass's Sailing School, not presently operating from a sailing school point of view, or is anything but what it says in this ordinance that's really hard to believe that you passed it. I'm shocked, but thanks, Herb. Um, It said what? Very close to what a person who recently passed, which we all are. I think we need to keep that in mind. We'll all be ashes one day. HE SAID IT WAS A VIEW CORRIDOR. FOR THE PEOPLE AT GALILEE. They also park their boats there. It's been seven years, Herb. Empty. I could talk to Chad, my friend. He's in the Lions Club, and they discuss this. They're part of it. I couldn't believe when I looked at the depression buildings that were empty and why people would do that. Why didn't they just open them up? Well, how was it one day money was worth something and the next day it was worth something else? One day a person had a job and one day... They leapt off a building, which was what the rich people did, poor people would never do something like that. they're used to it. The working class, which does not live in Marin. 60% come from out of town, out of the county. OUT OF THE COUNTRY. to drive the wages down. Let's shape up. Sob means command, Herb. That's the portion for this week. Midsby is something different. |
| 02:52:08.61 | Unknown | Thank you, Jeff. |
| 02:52:11.56 | Jeffrey Chase | I'm sorry. |
| 02:52:11.65 | Unknown | Is there any other member of the public who would like to comment on this item? |
| 02:52:22.42 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, I'd first like to say I appreciate the update and I appreciate the representative coming all the way from Washington, DC. um, I've been working with others in the community on this building for I can't even tell you how many number of years from starting to try to get it recognized. I'm pleased about the historical designation But I also can't say how disappointed I am that this was allowed to go through another winter with nothing on the roof. So I'm also disappointed tonight that the plans didn't come back for you to look at. The two proposals for this plan that are the character defining features of this building The characteristics are the plywood siding, which was indicative of the war effort. The metals were not used. I hope that that matches, I'm sure, We were assured during the study session that a historical architect was going to be considered in this. I think it would have been great to have brought that back to you to at least see if there's been any changes since that last update. The other slide said something about the windows. Those windows are also characteristic there. The ribbon windows, it said something like, Thank you. uh, corresponding windows and doors, what does that mean? It's going to look like it, it's going to be the same openings, that's critical. We lost two buildings down in the Marin ship that when the survey was done could not be uh, was deemed historic because they were changed. Two of the buildings had been restuccoed. The window openings had been changed. So I don't want to have us lose our now acquired national status. And I also am concerned about mothballing, as I mentioned during our presentation. Study session, I believe it's Bulletin 31, I can't remember. It's the one to do with mothballing. It's critical that when the mothballing is done, It looks like this case they're going to remove all the original stuff, building materials, and put up other structures. But more importantly, that when that is closed up, you don't then encourage more mold if it's not done correctly. So if these buildings aren't dried out and this is slapped together, I'm not saying this is going to happen, but I feel very strongly about this building. I've worked for a long time with others and I still don't see any dates. I see that it's 60 days from here and 60 days from there. Maybe some time frames. This has gone on too long. I'm now worried about funding probability with the government situation and the new administration, if we'll even get any funding to get this work done now. So if there's any way to at least get the building covered, it doesn't have to be mothballed, just get something on the roof. It's gonna rain this weekend. |
| 02:55:27.35 | Unknown | Thank you, Vicki. Any other member of the public wish to comment on this? Okay, let's bring it back up here. Any comments, any clarifications that we'd like? This is for information only. Council Member Hoffman. |
| 02:55:44.93 | Jill Hoffman | I don't know. Yeah, since we were in the initial, or not the initial, well yeah, you and I have been in all the meetings, so we spent a lot of time to commissioner Nichols points we spent a lot of time at all the meetings talking about mothballing and there was some robust discussion in our last meeting about why it hasn't happened yet so we are concerned about that from the perspective of the city and we set up a a communication system with the va and with our community development director on a regular basis to talk about you know status and what steps are being done and to hold them accountable for hold the VA accountable for their representations of that the mothballing would be forthcoming in the next few months, so We're gonna yeah, we're gonna be paying a little bit more attention to that Then I you know, I think that's I we're delighted that it's gonna happen. We're excited to see Who may be taking over that building? Obviously, it's an important building in our in our community |
| 02:56:51.86 | Joan Cox | I was just looking at Bulletin 31 regarding mothballing, and it does say that mothballing requires the stabilization of the exterior of the exterior. and generally some form of interior ventilation, either through mechanical or natural air exchange systems. And I'm assuming that is to prevent the type of mold or mildew that Commissioner Nichols was So I had asked whether there was any survey done inside the building, but may I ask whether the mothballing, can we ask another question? Yeah, of the engineer, does the scope of work for the construction firm include designing or ensuring the existence of some form of interior ventilation as set forth in this mothballing bulletin 31? |
| 02:57:31.58 | Unknown | question. |
| 02:57:32.04 | Astrid Lauer | Thank you. |
| 02:57:32.17 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:57:57.52 | Michelle Miller | So at present time, it does not. What I would offer to do is to have our consultant to take a look at the concerns and see if we can place some fans in the building to make sure that the air circulates. I understand your concerns. |
| 02:58:14.82 | Joan Cox | Okay, and then it also does talk about inspecting to be sure that pigeon or bat droppings or asbestos or other health hazards inside the building are ameliorated. So I would just ask that some visual inspection or some manner to address those issues be included in the scope of work. |
| 02:58:33.55 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:58:33.56 | Michelle Miller | MAKING A LITTLE BIT. |
| 02:58:39.45 | Michelle Miller | There's no issue there. We'll have contractors on site who will be in and out of the building, so that's fine. I'm sure that when we leave the building, we'll seal it up and make certain that all living creatures are out. Thank you. |
| 02:58:50.05 | Joan Cox | All right. |
| 02:58:50.37 | Michelle Miller | Many thanks for that. So I would also like to assure you, you expressed concern about the funding, that we do now have an awarded obligated contract. We have funds that are there and have already been obligated towards this effort. So that is a non-issue and non-concern. |
| 02:59:07.30 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions, comments? |
| 02:59:12.82 | Joe Burns | It's a very important building to us here in Sausalito, not only because of its historical time, You know, there was a tremendous amount of population that changed. tremendous population from Louisiana. came up to here to work. and All right. having the opportunity to set their lives out here. and we still see that in our area. So it. It isn't just the building, it's the people that really worked in that building. And we all know that during World War II, Everybody had to pull together. to be able to put out the amount of Liberty ships that we did put out. So I think it isn't just a building for a building. It's a building for the people that really work there. |
| 03:00:07.17 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you, that was well said, Herb, I agree with that. Okay, well if there's no other comments, thank you very much for that update. I feel a little more assured that we're on a timeline now that you can honor, because of all the processes you've gone through. I do appreciate you flying all the way from DC to visit us this evening, and we're not going to keep you up any later, so. Thank you very much indeed. |
| 03:00:40.19 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:00:41.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:41.48 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:00:41.56 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:00:41.65 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 03:00:42.02 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:00:42.05 | Joe Burns | Thank you. I think we all want to thank you for this visit. It's a very important... |
| 03:00:46.27 | Joan Cox | Yeah. |
| 03:00:49.29 | Joe Burns | It's very important to us, and it's important that, especially in these times, how we realize that history really has made this country great, and hopefully it'll move forward. |
| 03:01:05.22 | Unknown | Good. Appreciate that. Thank you very much. Okay, our next Topic to remind everybody who may be viewing at home, came in late, item 6B, the update from the Transportation Authority of Marin has been postponed. And so we move on to item 6C, which is digital communication strategy for the city of Sausalito. And we, have Abbott Chambers, who is our city librarian and director of communications. Thank you. |
| 03:01:45.21 | Abbott Chambers | THE CITY IS GOING TO BE |
| 03:01:45.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:01:46.61 | Abbott Chambers | As you just mentioned, I'm Abbott Chambers, your Director of Communications and City Librarian, and I'm here tonight to present a digital communication strategy for the city of Sausalito. In terms of what I'll be talking about this evening, I'm going to start by defining what I mean by digital communications, then talk about the goal of our communications, I'll talk about an overall digital communication strategy, and then after that, I'll go into some of the specific digital communication platforms that we're using, and what our strategies are for those platforms. I'd be happy to take any questions during my presentation or at the end. So what do I mean by digital communications? Well, what I'm talking about are digital information resources that the city uses to share information with its residents. So for example, our website, Socialito Currents, which is our weekly e-newsletter, e-mail newsletter. And social media, so Twitter, Facebook, Nextdoor, And I'm also talking about the digital tools that we're using to gather feedback from residents. And those are Open City Hall, which is our online community forum and survey tool, and also social media, in as much as we get feedback from residents through our social media platforms. So what is the goal of our digital communications? I think that the 2016-18 City of Sausalito Strategic Resource Allocation Plan hits it right on the head. Strategic plan goal number five is to increase community involvement in city government and decision making through communication and technology. So basically using digital communications to increase awareness in the community and to increase participation in city issues. So as far as an overall communication strategy that I'm articulating, and this is kind of an initial strategy. I've been on the job for about six weeks now, and I'm learning how to be both your director of communications and city librarian at the same time. So at this point, I'm pretty much kind of getting on board as a moving ship and taking advantages of the tools we have now and trying to learn how best to make use of my time most effectively, and the time of the other members of the city staff that are working on digital communications. So this is pretty straightforward as an overall strategy to rely on the city departments to generate timely information about local issues, then to take that information that we're getting from the departments and leverage it across our digital communications platforms so that we build awareness and participation with city government. And when information comes back to us from the community to make sure that we have processes in place, that we are responding to the community in timely and meaningful ways. And to support that strategy, I'd like to add a number of things. First off, we really want to make sure that we're learning from the experiences and best practices of other municipalities and how they're using digital communications. This is being replicated communities across the country, and it's to our misfortune if we fail to learn from what they're doing. I'm a big fan of statistics, so we also want to make sure that we're using the stats that we can collect from these digital communications platforms. They tend to be really rich stats. Sometimes you can get lost in them. There's so much detail. But there's a huge opportunity for us to learn what's working and not working. We also want to be experimental. As new products become available, try them out, see if they might be a better way to get information out to the community, and at the same time, reevaluate the tools that we're currently using. Does it still make sense for us to be communicating in this fashion? We want to make sure that we're always conforming to public records management guidelines. So, for example, not deleting social media posts. And we'll want to make an effort to develop governance documents. And by governance documents, I mean policy documents like a social media policy as far as who can post what we're posting, what we're not posting. And also style guides. And a style guide could be anything from city lingo. You know, when we talk about a particular department, what words do we use? Or even punctuation, short term rental. Do we hyphenate short term and short term rental or do we not use the hyphen? So now we'll go into some detail on specific communications platforms that we're using now, website, Currents, Nextdoor, Facebook, Twitter, and Open City Hall. We'll start with the City of Sausalito website. It's the city's primary digital communication platform. It's really the place that we would expect citizens to be able to go first to find current and accurate information about the city. It's currently a very rich site, but its level of currency could use a little help. It's certainly a good starting place for us as we're looking towards launching a new site in the near future. The site originally launched in 1996, as I mentioned. The current site that we have, as I also mentioned last week in my presentation, hasn't been completely overhauled since 2007. So that was our last major website relaunch. It gets a lot of views, almost 37,000 page views over the last 30 days. A lot of those probably coming from all over the world as people are searching for Sausalito and information is coming up. As far as the strategy for our website, as I said, we're going to be building a new city website, and the plan is to build it from the ground up. uh, To facilitate that, we're creating a cross-departmental website team so that each department has a representative who kind of owns their department content and is responsible for building the new site and also as we go forward for updating that content. We're also gonna make sure that we're working with the departments to improve the integration of our third party applications. The website with vision as our internet PROVIDER. is kind of the structure, but we're plugging in lots of other applications. For example, Granicus, soon we'll have Tracit added to that. I imagine we'll be adding many other e-government services, and we'll really need to be focusing on the overall experience for the community. hope to launch the new website in the summer of 2017. But our work has just begun at that point. We want to make sure that we're regularly going back through and making sure that the content's up to date. And look towards 2020 or 2021 to develop a new site, so that we don't let the same thing happen to the site that we're going to launch this summer when the years go by. Currents is the City's weekly email newsletter. It also is a platform that we use to send out special bulletins. So this past winter we sent out bulletins about impending storms and mudslides. Its history goes back to the in the loop email newsletter, which was founded in 2007. And looking at some statistics, so far in 2017, we've sent out 17 issues. At present, we have about 2,500 subscribers. And the average open rate across those 17 issues was about 40%. It's hard to know what that means in a vacuum, but if you compare the 40% to what is cited as the average figure for government email newsletters, that's about 24%. So I think we're doing very well with Currents. That said, looking at a strategy for Currents, we put a lot of effort into Currents every week, and we'd love to grow the subscriber base so that more people have the opportunity to read it. And then we want to We put a lot of effort into Currents every week, and we'd love to grow the subscriber base so that more people have the opportunity to read it. And then we want to increase the number of people who are actually opening it and reading it. Currently, on any given week, it's about 900 people, 900 opens of the email, of each email. And we can also track clicks to individual links within Currents. We'll be looking at ways that we can make people more likely to open currents and possibly launching some other new features. A feature that's been very successful was one that was Adam's brainstorm, which is our profiles of seniors in town and seniors who have contributed to Sausalito. That's been running every four weeks or so. and we're looking at some other types of features that may make people not just think of Saucedo Currents as a place where they're going to hear the heavy city issues, but also some more fun stuff. And then we'll give them the heavy issues with it. We find that Currents is an excellent source of up-to-date information. It's our primary generator of new content in the city, so we want to make sure that we're leveraging Currents across our other digital communications platforms, and particularly Nextdoor and the website. We want to make sure that we're not writing all this great content for Currents and then kind of setting it aside and not making additional use of it to get word out to the public. And then as with our other products, we'll probably want to look at redesigning currents in 2018 or so, just so the look and feel of it doesn't start becoming stale to people. The city of Sausalito's Nextdoor account. You're all probably familiar with Nextdoor. It's a so-called hyper-local private social network. It's basically like Sausalito's own message board and discussion board. And Nextdoor is a platform that exists for communities all over the country. But they've been incredibly successful in creating these super-local networks. to the point that they claim that there are 3,500 next-door members in Sausalito, with a town of the population of 7,100. That's remarkable, and remarkable given that our current subscription level is 2,500. It says to me that this is a huge opportunity for us to get information out to the community. We've created our Nextdoor public agency account in 2017, so really just within the last month. And I think it's important to emphasize to people that the city's Nextdoor account is not like an individual's account. It is when I post something as the director of communications or when I go to the city of Sausalito's Nextdoor page, I can only see what the city has posted and the direct responses to our messages. I can't go in like a resident and see the threads that residents have started and are communicating. And I think that it's very wise on Next Door's part. There's definitely some concern that a city might, in a big brotherly fashion, kind of look over the shoulders of residents to see what they're saying. And I wanted to ensure people that the city, even though we're participating on Nextdoor, that we don't have that level of visibility into what's going on. As far as a strategy on Nextdoor, I'd like to see us making two or three postings a week, and I'll be making those postings. I can, as the administrator for our Nextdoor account, create department accounts. So we'll have the rec department, the library, posting their event information on Nextdoor using those accounts. And as far as what we're posting on Nextdoor, we'll want to focus on city news, special meetings, online surveys, things that build awareness and participation. |
| 03:14:08.89 | Abbott Chambers | And because Nextdoor is a great place for getting feedback from people, we'll want to make sure that we're taking the information. Any replies that we get through Nextdoor are being fed to the appropriate person on the city staff to respond to the person. |
| 03:14:30.27 | Abbott Chambers | City of Sausalito also has a Facebook page. As you know, Facebook is the world's most popular social network. Sausalito began posting on Facebook in 2011. We haven't been particularly active over the last couple years, only three postings in all of 2016 and 15 postings in 2015. Currently have 453 likes, which basically means that's how many people potentially could see a posting that we make to Facebook on their timelines. As far as a strategy on Facebook, if we're going to keep posting on Facebook, we should have more likes. One way to do that would be to do an ad campaign. It can be very inexpensive and targeted just to local people. We may also decide It's not worth our time to continue posting on Facebook, but I'm not ready to say that. Other city departments also have Facebook accounts, the library, the police, Public Works, Parks and Rec. And this is a good opportunity for us to share posts across the different accounts, And as far as what we're posting, We'll be focusing on things that engage the community, community meetings, for example, events. And I think if we continue with the City of Sausalito Facebook account, it will shade more towards the lighter side of Sausalito. And probably a lot of the kinds of things that I've been posting on the library's Facebook page will kind of morph over to the city Facebook page as far as just photos of the town, of the sites, of the hills, historical photos, that kinds of thing, to, make people feel good about the town. And we've definitely found, and I think everyone has found with Facebook, that if you accompany your posting with a photo, it makes a big difference. So we almost always will be posting photos with our Facebook posts. City of Sausalito Twitter account. Um... Again, as you probably know, it's a platform for sending out short tweets of information. Sauclid has been tweeting since 2011. Very similar to Facebook, hasn't been particularly active. We haven't been that active on Twitter. Maybe, I think, an equal three posts, three Twitter posts, three tweets in 2016 and 25 in 2015. Currently have 484 followers on Twitter. As far as a Twitter strategy, again, similar to Facebook, there are other city Twitter accounts, particularly the police and the library. Police also have a Nixle feed, and Twitter's great for getting out alerts and fast-breaking information, so we'd want to be leveraging that information. City meetings also. But I think, as I mentioned when I talked about evaluating or re-evaluating, Twitter is another one of these platforms that we may decide it's not something that the city should be doing, that the police do a great job of getting out the kind of breaking alerts that need to get out in the community. I have not done a deep dive into the 484 followers that we currently have on Twitter, but I suspect that it's lots of other agencies that are trying to get the attention of people and not very many real people. The plus maybe, though, is that local media is likely following our Twitter account, and if we want to get their attention, it may be an effective way to do that. It may also be just a good question to ask reporters from the IJ, for example. |
| 03:18:06.85 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 03:18:12.75 | Abbott Chambers | The last platform I'll talk about is Open City Hall. We launched our Open City Hall account or site in 2013. It's a platform for community surveys and forums. since 2013 we've completed 13 different surveys and forums uh... the high watermark of our surveys as a senior danny was still here uh... was of the uh... short-term rental survey that we did with two hundred and sixty-nine responses and also we had a huge number of people checking in on that one as well i think that's probably our best example of the effective use of this tool to gather feedback from the community As far as the strategy for Open City Hall, I'd like to see us develop a regular schedule of Open City Hall forums and surveys, probably set a target of one a month Then there are great opportunities for us to cross promote, to drive people to these forums and surveys with Currents, with the website, with our social media. And this is really important. If we conduct a survey, we'll want to make sure that we're reporting back to the community on how we made use of this information and what the next steps are. If we're not doing that, I think we're kind of making false promises to people. And they're going to be less likely to participate in the future. So it will behoove us to make sure that we close the circle with our surveys. So that concludes my overview of our digital communication platforms. And as far as recommended action, I just ask that you accept my presentation and expect an update from me and perhaps what Abbott has learned as communications director sometime in the fall of 2017. Thank you. |
| 03:20:02.41 | Unknown | Thank you Abbott. Do we have any questions of Abbott? |
| 03:20:10.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:20:10.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:20:10.80 | Unknown | And seven. |
| 03:20:13.80 | Unknown | Thank you, Abbott. You're really taking this gig full-heartedly, huh? Or fool-heartedly. I agree with you on the Twitter. I kind of think that maybe it is talking to media is a great option for that. But on the Facebook, did you look at maybe that we might be diluting if we have multiple departments? I've seen other people struggle with that, that it dilutes as opposed to trying to leverage up. |
| 03:20:39.62 | Abbott Chambers | Yeah, it's a good question. And I've only just been kind of chewing on that one. My initial thought is that the more the merrier. It's kind of good to have multiple departments active and to not discourage departments from trying to get the word out about what they're doing. And there are likely to be people in the community who really care about what the library is doing but are less interested in what the city in general is going on in the city in general. But that's just kind of at a starting point. Thank you. care about what the library is doing, but are less interested in what the city in general is going on in the city in general. But that's just kind of at a starting point. And I think as we think about, and as I think about, and as Adam thinks about how we're spending our time, and how we're getting a return on the investment of that time, it may be that we may end up deciding, oh, we don't want to have so many different accounts that we're just expending extra effort without much benefit. |
| 03:21:29.96 | Unknown | I'm glad we're on next door, and I'm glad you're doing all these others. So thank you. |
| 03:21:38.85 | Unknown | Mr. Abbott, have you looked at any of the info, presentations, PowerPoints, et cetera, that the League of California Cities have pushed out? Because they've been a constant theme for at least the number of years I've been involved, short number of years I've been involved with it. I've seen its evolution. They have a presentation at the new Mayor's Council Members Academy every year. So I just wondered, there's a lot of stuff from a lot of cities there. So you might want to take a look at that. |
| 03:22:12.90 | Abbott Chambers | So you might want to take a look at that. That sounds really helpful. |
| 03:22:15.25 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:22:17.26 | Joan Cox | We can easily share that with you. We have copies of those presentations. So... |
| 03:22:22.94 | Unknown | In fact, I'll dig out the one from four years ago as well, and then it's enlightening to see the evolution of it. Yeah, well. |
| 03:22:28.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:36.46 | Unknown | to the next episode. Any other questions? Let's open this up for public comment. David. |
| 03:22:47.46 | David Lay | David Lay again. Government in Sausalito has really improved since, say, 96. And the election of 98 was huge. and it got better and better. You look at Adam knows he's around his parks director. you look at Our planning commission staff. They come up here and they do a report on anything that's gonna be built. The story poles go up and the town is interested, but they make a report that really shows that those people know the inside and outs of that property, and they've been there and walked all over it. Compared to that bunch we had in here tonight, They hadn't a clue. It was ridiculous. Waste of time. Um, And it was the same way with the city council. You all are a good bunch, The bunch that came in in 98, same way, because there's a whole lot of battles going on. Story polls going up and all that stuff. redoing the all the effort that went into redoing the um general plan and so forth um But a lot of times, The only person in the room was me in the back seat. And I'd stay to the end because that's when a lot of people started talking to each other. And really that kept a lot of people also honest, because less stuff went on in the back room, because I'd bitch about it. Um, And really, government got pretty good here, and now we know from what's going on in the nation, That, um... When people don't pay attention to that guy, He gets elected. And And look at what's happening in courts across the land because somebody had a plan to put people in at the bottom so they come out on the top. And the Democrats didn't pay any attention to that. AND We're in one of those blue states that does that and we do it locally and we do it statewide. Look at Jerry Brown, look at how good it's been. And that really counts. And if our numbers were bigger on some of the numbers we just saw, it's really important to make those bigger. It's really important to see how many people are looking through this camera up here. because that counts, but if there's nobody doing it, and if there's only five or 453 or whatever it was. on some of these answers. That's not enough. And, um, Walking around the room helps, but really, what gets out there is really a big deal in things really go in the when People don't get involved until the story polls go up. Thanks for your everything, thanks. |
| 03:25:44.09 | Unknown | Thank you. Michael Gravel? Gravel? Gravel. |
| 03:25:50.44 | Michael Gravel | I have two short suggestions. One is most people surf the web on a device like this today and not on notebooks anymore. So in redesigning the web page that you direct Abbott and his committee to really look at the presentation of a tablet and phone. webpage. Second, on Nextdoor, take a look at the city of Mill Valley and what they use it for. They've effectively used Nextdoor for urgent alerts. People that sign up or Mill Valley residents can say, I want to see urgent alerts immediately as a notification on my phone. So for instance, semi-truck stuck on Camino Alto grade, expect heavy traffic. Alamonte and Miller Avenue closed due to rain. So they get out a lot of emergency alerts, power outages that affect traffic lights and so on. So those are my two comments. |
| 03:26:46.60 | Unknown | Thank you very much, sir. Jeff, Jacob? Thank you. |
| 03:26:56.66 | Jeffrey Chase | Thanks, Abbott, for the presentation and for David Lay and Michael and all of the people who are learning to speak in public in high pressure situations, not dancing for nickels or able to strip off pieces of clothing, but maybe to strip off a little bit of their layers over here. especially when they feel threatened, but I want to Say thanks to Abbott for the library, and today one of the librarians asked me to pay for the copies I was making. There were a lot of copies coming out of these ordinances. Here's part of one of the ordinances. P-sun-sic-per-be-de-a-ajid, sea-water-e-did, and re-did, wage-patrol, patrol-ma-pont-varn, or any-ni-or- any. This is what happened when I printed out the ordinances. And this was called Discharge of Refuse, Abbott. I attended the sanitary meeting that was, was that today? I don't know. I've been to a lot of these, it seems, because I wanted to learn things from the bottom up. Mr. Mayor. Now I find out, as 1984 is being broadcast, Mary, that there's a mini true here, a ministry of truth, with my pal, like Herbie is, that are working for the government. And next door, Facebook, monitoring, watching, and speaking of talking about lighter issues as 100 people's lives are threatened. One person is missing who had a kayak that I loaned her. I don't know what happened to her. There are a lot of things that happen out there. Some of them I can feel related to what happens in here because We talk about the connections. We talk about the oneness. We talk about the more perfect union in the Constitution. I hope there's room for, in the next two weeks, If you're really going to do this, if this is real, it feels like it's not in a lot of ways. I talked to my dad. He was a city councilman in Southfield, Michigan. and they had high density development, which I talked to them today and I said, that seems like a code word for keep Detroit out, keep black people out of Southfield. Now Southfield is mainly Black. IT WORKED FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN IT DIDN'T WORK. The old way worked for a little bit, it was fun. We had a lot of laughs. We made a lot of gags, had a lot of good food, New age is coming, Herb. Pesach on Monday, Passover, Easter, also was regulated by the sun, or an indication of it. Participate. |
| 03:29:58.60 | Unknown | Thank you, Jeff. Thank you. Anybody else from the public? No. Okay. I can adjust. |
| 03:30:06.25 | Abbott Chambers | I can have it. THE FAMILY. |
| 03:30:07.23 | Unknown | Yes, please do so. |
| 03:30:07.65 | Abbott Chambers | Just to address some of those comments. Thank you. |
| 03:30:10.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:30:10.35 | Abbott Chambers | Thank you. |
| 03:30:10.36 | Unknown | you |
| 03:30:10.42 | Abbott Chambers | To the question about mobile devices, we are working on a responsive design for the new website, which means that it will optimize for mobile devices. We haven't gotten to this point yet with the design, but we'll be spending a lot of time making sure that the mobile experience is a really good one for the community. Then there was also the point about granicus and video viewers. And the good news is that we actually can get those statistics. And they'll be one of the types of stats that we'll be looking at. potentially thinking about ways that we could drive more traffic and more people to watch city events. And then as Jeff has discovered, there seems to be a communication problem between the PDF readers on the library's computers and our printers. So I can assure Jeff that we'll be working on that. |
| 03:31:04.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:31:04.28 | Monica Finnegan | on that |
| 03:31:05.26 | Abbott Chambers | It happens to others than Jeff, I have been told. But I'd be happy to answer any other questions. |
| 03:31:13.95 | Unknown | Any other questions or comments on this topic? |
| 03:31:19.42 | Joan Cox | I have a comment. |
| 03:31:21.49 | Unknown | Okay. GO. |
| 03:31:22.49 | Joan Cox | Oh, my mom. |
| 03:31:22.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:31:23.89 | Joan Cox | In conjunction with your preparation of a communications policy and compliance with Public Records Act I'd like to see the city of Sausalito separately probably not part of your scope adopt a revised records retention policy especially in light of the recent City of San Jose decision about the availability of public access to the private communication devices of city council members. I'm You are followed by the Sausalito MarinScope, Pacific Sun, and California City News. Thank you, Jennifer. But not the Marin IJ, although you follow them, which is only one of 13 people you follow. |
| 03:32:03.75 | Unknown | I'm not. Thank you, John. |
| 03:32:10.78 | Joan Cox | I think I follow you, and you have 490 followers. The city is not leaving. |
| 03:32:16.25 | Abbott Chambers | It's going up as we speak. Yeah. So... I'm being warm. So... |
| 03:32:18.29 | Joan Cox | Yeah, so that's all I had to say. |
| 03:32:24.71 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 03:32:27.05 | Monica Finnegan | Joe. |
| 03:32:28.37 | Jill Hoffman | My apologies if you already addressed this, but do we have a system on Nextdoor where people can sign up for alerts as the gentleman referenced? earlier I'll have to. |
| 03:32:38.90 | Abbott Chambers | I'll have to take a look and see what Mill Valley's doing. I'm not quite sure what he's referring to. What I can say is that last week I ran a promotion announcing Currents and inviting people to sign up for Currents. And we've generated about 60 subscribers just in one week that way. |
| 03:32:54.46 | Unknown | FIGHTING. |
| 03:32:58.34 | Unknown | There's a... |
| 03:33:00.89 | Abbott Chambers | So I look forward to finding all the different avenues within Nexstar that we can use to increase community awareness and participation. |
| 03:33:10.34 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, I thought that was a great option. |
| 03:33:11.87 | Abbott Chambers | options. |
| 03:33:12.41 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Yeah, you know the emergency. We do have a Nixle available for people for the emergency alerts. Thank you. which is how I find out about all the storms and the road closures and such. |
| 03:33:24.93 | Unknown | Okay. Any other comments? No. Abbott, thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:33:29.10 | Brian Doris | Thank you. |
| 03:33:35.02 | Unknown | OKAY. Agenda item number seven is a collection of city manager reports, council member reports, et cetera. Is there any member of the public who'd like to make any comments about item 7B to F? I actually have a card here from Greg Baker, but I think he's left. |
| 03:34:00.69 | Unknown | So. Okay, you have a right to do so, please. If, and you know what the topic is, right? Absolutely. |
| 03:34:11.17 | Jeffrey Chase | Absolutely. |
| 03:34:15.68 | Jeffrey Chase | It's for you, Dad. The Brown Act. says that the city boards or government boards cannot respond because that way it could, they could sandbag somebody with an issue, people from the audience, and overwhelm them and force them to respond. It makes sense. There's two exceptions. EXCEPTION NUMBER ONE. It's an emergency. IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY YET. when and if, which are the same word in Hebrew, |
| 03:34:58.89 | Jeffrey Chase | I don't... We'll find out, you know, but... Um, The other one is future agenda items. If I bring up a future agenda item, I can ask you to vote on whether you will have that or not. on the agenda in the future. So I'm going to do that right now. And it's about the impeachment of Donald J. Trump. for breaking the emoluments clause. of the U.S. Constitution. that you're on record, how you feel about this. And whether you think that sets a precedent, for the state boards and the local boards to also be subjected to the same clause. It's in the California Constitution. Very similar. corporations, and governments cannot be The same. There's a name for that system. It doesn't work very well. SO, studying what's happening with the M group, what's happening here on this vote, what's happening in my life, what's happening with the Torah, and they all come together. I talked to David Levin. He's a Levite, Herb. You know what that means. And that's why we're reading Leviticus. The Kohens and the Levites are the priestly castes. They do not have any portion. They do not have any inheritance. They basically work for free, first fruits and meat, and to party, but by the end, when the temple fell, They lived in the lap of luxury. Archaeologists have seen it. big rooms, they cooperated with the Romans a little bit too closely. And the people did not like that. They said there was no hereafter. They didn't acknowledge that the Torah could be improved. They were rich and heartless. We're asking Jeremiah in the Haftorah for three things instead of sacrifice. Chesed, which is kindheartedness. justice. and tzedakah. Which is equity, actually, it's translated as. Check it out, that's in Jeremiah, please do that. |
| 03:37:22.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:37:26.19 | Jeffrey Chase | Herb, please. |
| 03:37:27.65 | Unknown | Thank you, Jeff. City manager information for council. |
| 03:37:37.13 | Adam Politzer | The only thing I'll announce is that we have a finance committee meeting. tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock. |
| 03:37:42.44 | Unknown | Now you've just stolen my thunder. That's what I was going to say. |
| 03:37:43.98 | Adam Politzer | THE END OF |
| 03:37:44.15 | Monica Finnegan | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:37:45.99 | Joan Cox | WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF |
| 03:37:46.23 | Monica Finnegan | it. |
| 03:37:49.97 | Unknown | Thank you. it. |
| 03:37:51.96 | Joan Cox | And are we videotaping it? |
| 03:37:54.49 | Unknown | THE CITY IS GOING TO BE |
| 03:37:54.78 | Joan Cox | The funny screen. |
| 03:37:56.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:37:56.77 | Unknown | Thank you. Councilmember Committee reports. We had pretty detailed committee reports last time, last week. I don't know if there's been anything going on since |
| 03:38:02.34 | Monica Finnegan | last week. |
| 03:38:05.97 | Monica Finnegan | Thank you. There was a CDBG meeting tonight, and I couldn't make it. |
| 03:38:09.34 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:38:10.61 | Jill Hoffman | I just have one thing to note, that there will be an RBRA meeting tomorrow morning at 8.30. |
| 03:38:21.36 | Unknown | Chat. |
| 03:38:23.49 | Jill Hoffman | At 8.30 at Tiburon Town Hall, which is at 1505 Tiburon Boulevard at 8.30 tomorrow morning. |
| 03:38:31.47 | Jeffrey Chase | Could you repeat the address, please, Jill? |
| 03:38:33.75 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, 1505 Tiburon Boulevard. Thank you. |
| 03:38:36.58 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. You're welcome. I'll see you there. |
| 03:38:37.02 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. And that's it. |
| 03:38:41.81 | Unknown | Okay, last time I saved my remarks on an update on TAM because Diane was going to be here. She's not, but we'll reschedule her, so I'll save my comments till then. I was going to mention finance committee. I can't think of anything else we've been doing. Anybody else? |
| 03:39:02.23 | Joan Cox | I don't have a committee report, but a couple of reports of significance. |
| 03:39:05.07 | Unknown | Yeah, please. |
| 03:39:06.01 | Joan Cox | So Jill Hoffman and I had the privilege of attending the Marin County Women's Hall of Fame ceremony on Monday night. |
| 03:39:12.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:39:12.12 | Unknown | Monique. |
| 03:39:12.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:39:14.25 | Joan Cox | we had a bunch of city council members, board of supervisor members, over 500 women filling this hall. So it was... daunting, inspiring, and humbling. Grant Colfax from Sausalito was there, one of the few brave men to... And they honored five women with such diverse backgrounds and such inspirational stories. And this is all by the YWCA. And I had no, I was a member of the YWCA when I was 12 years old and I had no idea. how active they are in Marin County and around the world. We had the Consul General of the YWCA from Kenya come and speak. And it was just absolutely inspiring, and it's inspiring to see how many talented people are not just here in Sausage Hill but throughout Marin County. invest and devote their time and energy to volunteer on behalf of everybody. And Jeff Jacob again left before my Marin City Community Gardens announcement. But I did go dutifully weed some beds at the Marin City Community Gardens and I suffered for three days afterwards. I met one of the owners of one of the beds who was precisely 10 days younger than me. Um, And so hope maybe someday I'll see an anchor out there. |
| 03:40:48.49 | Unknown | There was a lot of press on that. There was a lot of press on that, yeah. |
| 03:40:49.83 | Joan Cox | you |
| 03:40:49.89 | Jill Hoffman | There's a lot of peace on that, yeah. Thank you. There was one of the honorees was from the Marin City, Sausley Marin City School District. Yes. And I'm trying to, was it Florence Williams? |
| 03:40:59.07 | Joan Cox | Yes. |
| 03:41:04.69 | Jill Hoffman | I believe that's. |
| 03:41:05.25 | Joan Cox | I think you're right. I think Williams was last. |
| 03:41:10.57 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Somebody else talking about that. |
| 03:41:14.95 | Adam Politzer | Okay. Mr. Mayor, if you wanted to mention the meeting we had this afternoon. |
| 03:41:15.48 | Jill Hoffman | Mr. Mayor. |
| 03:41:15.93 | Joe Burns | I'm sorry. |
| 03:41:19.76 | Adam Politzer | The advisory committee. you |
| 03:41:21.97 | Unknown | Oh, yes. So long ago. So long ago. Sorry, forgot about that. Yes, so the General Plan Advisory Committee, the core group, met. We're continuing to discuss our ongoing discussion about two items, which was a mission statement and a role for that group. And that's currently in draft form, needs a bit of work. And that will be coming to City Council. next time on the 18th. And the other topic was how we're going to go about advertising the general plan in general to the whole community. And the process of trying to be as inclusive as possible. And one of the issues that we obviously can't discuss here now, but will be the topic of discussion next time. During that update will be what will be the eligibility to actually be a member of the general plan advisory committee. So that will be an interesting discussion for us in two weeks time. |
| 03:42:32.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:33.03 | Unknown | take. |
| 03:42:51.22 | Unknown | Was today's meeting recorded? |
| 03:42:54.14 | Unknown | Today's meeting was recorded. It was actually held on this dais, so we got video of it. |
| 03:42:59.85 | Unknown | The previous one, did it work or was it only temporarily down? There was a previous GPU meeting that was |
| 03:43:08.17 | Unknown | I'll look into that. It should be up. Sure. |
| 03:43:08.93 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 03:43:13.25 | Unknown | Sorry. Don't worry. |
| 03:43:14.71 | Joan Cox | Yeah, so the Marin City educator was Virginia Edwards, that's who was inducted. |
| 03:43:15.96 | Unknown | EDUCATION. |
| 03:43:21.30 | Joan Cox | Florence |
| 03:43:21.97 | Jill Hoffman | This was last year, my apologies. |
| 03:43:23.84 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 03:43:24.64 | Unknown | Okay. Appointments to board commissions and committees. We're continuing to interview outstanding candidates for the Parks and Rec Commission, and I think we'll be completing that next time and hopefully be able to start making some appointments. I think that's right, Lily. You're right there. Future agenda items. And basically the agenda setting committee has not met since the last meeting. We'll be meeting again before the next meeting and give you any feedback for how that's evolving. Does anybody have any questions on the list of future agenda items that we've got outstanding at the moment? No. Okay, so with that, if there's no other reports of significance, I wanted to, with sadness, tell you that we're going to adjourn tonight's meeting in the memory of Sharon Corridor, who passed away over the weekend at her home in Sausalito. Sharon worked for the city of Sausalito, for the Sausalito Parks and Recs Department at the MLK gym during the popular Playland Bounce House Program. And Sharon's going to be missed by the Parks and Rec staff and by the parents and children of the Playland Program. Our sympathies go out to her family and friends. So with that, we will be adjourning in her honor. Okay, thank you. The meeting's adjourned. |
| 03:45:03.15 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |