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| 00:00:38.52 | Joan Cox | Good evening. And welcome to the regular City Council meeting. for Tuesday, November 28th. Lily, would you please call the roll? |
| 00:00:52.16 | Unknown | COUNCIL MEMBER BURNS. |
| 00:00:53.54 | Joan Cox | present. |
| 00:00:54.08 | Unknown | Councilmember Hoffman? Present. Vice Mayor Cox? Here. Mayor Withey? |
| 00:00:58.33 | Joan Cox | here. David Archer, would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance tonight? |
| 00:01:10.92 | David Archer | . of the United States of America. and to the Republic. |
| 00:01:24.59 | Joan Cox | Thank you, David. |
| 00:01:30.04 | Joan Cox | City Council met in closed session to discuss two matters, real property negotiation. There are no announcements from that closed session. Is there any member of the public who'd like to comment on the closed session agenda items? Seeing none, could I have a motion to approve the agenda, please? |
| 00:01:51.22 | Joan Cox | So moved. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:01:54.36 | Joan Cox | All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. The motion carries. We have no special presentations or mayor's announcements tonight. Item agenda item number two is communications and this is the time for the city council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. Except in very limited situations state law precludes the council from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. I have no speaker cards here. If anybody would like to address the council, please do so and you can fill a speaker card later. Is there any member of the public who'd like to address the council at this time on matters not on the agenda. Seeing none, we'll move on, thank you. Action minutes of the previous meeting, that's the minutes of the regular city council meeting on November 14th, 2017. Is there any changes requested or comments needed? |
| 00:01:55.52 | Joan Cox | Aye. |
| 00:02:52.38 | Joan Cox | Move to approve as submitted. |
| 00:02:54.00 | Joan Cox | THE END OF THE All in favor? |
| 00:02:55.58 | Joan Cox | Aye. |
| 00:02:57.19 | Joan Cox | Aye, that motion carries. Item number four is the consent calendar. And matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and uncontroversial, require no discussion, are expected to have unanimous council support, and may be enacted by the council in one motion in the form listed below, which is what we'll do. Now I think we need to divide this up and have several votes. Vice Mayor Cox probably recuses herself from items A and B. Is that? Right, so we'll have a separate vote on items A and B, and then vote on items C and F. So let me move then the consent calendar items A and B. Do I have a second? All in favor? Aye. And Vice Mayor Cox abstaining. And then items C through F, could I have a motion to approve? |
| 00:03:31.29 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:03:48.43 | Adam Politzer | All right. |
| 00:03:55.56 | Mary Wagner | Mr. Mayor, I apologize, it's C through J. Second page. . |
| 00:04:01.33 | Joan Cox | Aha. Thank you very much. |
| 00:04:01.36 | Mary Wagner | . |
| 00:04:03.99 | Joan Cox | Item C through J, good catch. Right. |
| 00:04:04.25 | Mary Wagner | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:04:11.71 | Joan Cox | It doesn't show a page on the screen when I reviewed it earlier. Okay, so items C through J. Could I have a motion to approve? SO MOVED? seconded I'll second, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that carries. Okay, we will be hearing our business items before the public hearing items this evening, and so we're moving to item number six. First business item, 6A, is an update from the Chamber of Commerce, and uh, We are welcoming David Archer who's the president CEO of the chamber of And I think our staff are Hoping getting that loaded. |
| 00:05:10.58 | David Archer | Thank you. |
| 00:05:24.23 | David Archer | Thank you, honorable mayor and council members. It's an honor to be here tonight. I'm David Archer. I'm the president and CEO of the Sausalito Chamber of Commerce. I'm here to give you a general update on what's been happening at the Chamber of Commerce To start off with, give you the mission statement of the chamber, specifically the Chamber of Commerce. promotes, represents, and supports Sausalito businesses, and residents through providing referrals, networking, advertising, and marketing opportunities. We're in the process, next week we're gonna do our annual board retreat and we're doing a mission, a visioning session and we're gonna look at potentially revising our mission statement. So more to follow on that. At the beginning of last year when I took over as the president and CEO, we had our board retreat and we talked about different benefits that the chamber could provide to the business members. What we did in our meeting was carve the city into four districts, we have Caledonia, Um, where are we, there we are. We have Caledonia, we have downtown, north and home-based businesses. In each of those various areas, we wanted to dig down deeper and to figure out specific benefits for those various members. And so, for instance, downtown has different needs in Caledonia. And Caledonia has different needs in the north and the home-based businesses. So some of the programs that we've implemented in those various areas, the downtown, we have our fund band to promote the downtown businesses. So a visitor can buy a fund band and then go around to a number of businesses and get a value for that band. On Caledonia Street, we re-implemented the art walk. And that was very successful. We had five or six of those consecutively. In the north we implemented a Yelp program where the committee would go out to the various businesses and provide them a Yelp rating and try to enhance their business on the internet. And then home-based businesses, We enhanced our member benefits to include some copies, scanning, and if someone just needed someone to come talk to after sitting in their home for a long time, working on business, they could come down to the chamber and throw ideas off of us. So we're trying to get out and meet the members' needs specifically in those various areas. Next slide, please. Some membership trends, and this is as of September, we had 280 members. In October of 2016, when I took over, we had about 273. We added 40 new members since October, and we have a retention rate of about 88%, which is slightly better than the WACE, Northern California, average of 87. We enhanced our sponsorship package. I talked about that a little bit. And refer our member benefits as well. We refined those. Next slide, please. our membership by category. It's no surprise that restaurants are one of our largest groupings of members. The retail is next and then we also have arts. So those are big three of our membership. |
| 00:08:42.41 | Jill Hoffman | David, can I ask questions as we go through here? One of the questions I had when I looked at your graph was residents, because I know that you offer a resident, just a general resident membership as well. Do you have a sense of what your number is on that? I mean, it seems like you have a lot of participation from residents. Am I not seeing it there? |
| 00:08:58.85 | David Archer | We do. Um... Let me see here. |
| 00:09:02.95 | Jill Hoffman | Just for people who are interested, you don't have to actually have a business in town to be a part of the chamber. Correct. Yeah. |
| 00:09:06.48 | David Archer | Thank you. Yeah, it's a reduced rate. There's no real benefit to advertising. It's just you get to come get discounts on mixers and other things that we provide. from a kiosk. That was one of the major issues before us was the kiosk when I took over. And so when I sat down with the board, they wanted some action taken on that. And so really the purpose of the kiosk in a nutshell is to disseminate valuable information to visitors and residents. And I have a list of frequently asked questions. Commonly, people need directions to the restrooms, the ferry schedule, where to eat, where to park a bike or get your bike returned, et cetera. So the chamber does that service down at the kiosk. The other valuable aspect of it is we get to guide visitors around town. So they may not know where to go, and that helps out with congestion management and ultimately the safety of the tourists that are visiting us. We also coordinate and collaborate with all the key shareholders down there in and around the ferry landing. promote city chamber events such as the Super Bowl, which is an outstanding event. We have our gingerbread house tour, which the Gingys, I believe, were at the last council meeting, and the arts festival. The other aspect of it is we're now providing free Wi-Fi at the ferry landing. We're looking at enhancing that. And then we're enhancing the visitor experience. And so we want anybody that comes here, whether they're a visitor or resident, to have a positive experience. And so the kiosk is instrumental in doing that. |
| 00:10:40.66 | Unknown | I'm doing that. |
| 00:10:42.39 | David Archer | Next slide, please. some of our achievements. On the visitor kiosk, I mentioned we establish free Wi-Fi around the kiosk area. We have a new landing page that we've implemented to help support our local businesses. We have enhanced year-round staffing at the kiosk. And so now we have limited hours, but we're there on Friday and Saturday. And we'll continue to do that until the season starts back up again. And we've implemented some metrics so that we can tell if we're doing a good job and how to gauge ourselves against it. And so when we started doing the metrics back in June, on June 8th. We have about over 72,000 kiosk visitors. We count the number of folks that come up, and then we track those, and I'll show you graphically a little bit later on what that looks like. We also had about 8,400 people use the Wi-Fi down there, and that was from May 25th to September 17th. So not a large amount of time, but we're managing to utilize the Wi-Fi down there. The other thing that we did is we administered and they assisted with the ferry queuing staff down there. So we helped. the Golden Gate Transit District. |
| 00:12:03.23 | David Archer | This is what the visitor kiosk looks like by day. So the total line is the total number by day. So you can see that at the far right, the 72,205. Obviously, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday were our biggest days. And the average for those days were 880, 1007, and 1032. So Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Not a big surprise. The one surprise that kind of caught me is Tuesday seemed to be an interesting day to have a little spike there. Any questions on those? Next slide, please. Some of the questions we get asked, where's the restrooms, ferry, transport to San Francisco, art galleries, removing bike locks, bridge info, shopping, car and RV parking, et cetera. So we get a myriad of questions down there. |
| 00:13:03.22 | David Archer | From a financial perspective, we took a look at what it costs to operate the kiosk, and so the left hand pie is our revenue, Our total revenue is about $19,840. The preponderance of that comes from sponsorships, as you can see. And we have some monies coming from the ferry companies. And we have great ambitions of additional streams of revenue. From an expense perspective, the lion's share of our expense comes from the team, obviously. We have some signage supplies. Other types of things. And so our total expenses were about $23,448 for a loss of $3,608. and that's through August 31st. Thank you. if we had our perfect world. We would have. Total revenue, and then this is a year projected based on the year to date August stats. But if we projected a full year, we would have income of about $43,000. A number of that comes from sponsorships, again, $15,000. We also help in there. And then under the supposition that we sold, ferry tickets can maybe make another 10,000. Value bands, we think we can get 5,000 off of that. And ferry companies, again, some money's from there, about 8,000, and then our landing page, which we haven't monetized yet, but we anticipate doing that, we should be able to get around 5,000 on that. From an expense perspective, again, staffing is the number one expense we have. Overall total expenses in this projection, about $41,922 for a profit of $1,000, right at $1,000. That's in an ideal world. Next slide, please. |
| 00:14:52.25 | Joan Cox | David, if you compare where you are right now to the ideal world, what is increasing the the this sort of economic system, it's the staff, therefore it's the hours that you're open and the number of days you're open and the number of days per year you're open. So what's the change between now and your |
| 00:15:11.74 | Adam Kriwashi | Sorry. |
| 00:15:17.49 | Joan Cox | ideal scenario in terms of hours of operation. |
| 00:15:18.91 | David Archer | from Germany. Okay, the hours of operation would remain the same that I proposed a few slides, that we showed a few slides earlier. This would just be the full year impact of that staff, so calculating it out through the season with 10 hours a day on the weekends. And then from a revenue perspective, the different revenue streams that we're promoting here is the ferry tickets, and we've been talking with the ferry district on the outsourcing of their tickets, and I know they need to move their ferry ticket kiosk somewhere, and so they would like somehow the chamber to be involved with that, and so we're in discussions with them and with city staff on seeing how we can make that happen. And then the other aspects are the monetizing of the website, things like that. |
| 00:16:09.77 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:16:10.02 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:16:13.57 | David Archer | Our Wi-Fi visitors, we talked about that being about 8,300, 8,400. You see we peak in about August, the beginning of August, and it starts to trail down. I took a quick look at the numbers before I came over here. We're at about 11,100 Wi-Fi visitors as of today. So we continue to gain traction on that, and that's a part of where the monetization comes in from a landing page perspective, is we have the ability, and we're in a pilot program now, we have the ability to send out an initial email as people walk away from the kiosk, offering them a promotion. And so right now, we're trying to work with some of the local businesses to provide just that. So we think that there's great potential for monetization right there. Next slide. that Wi-Fi visitor segmentation Take a look at it, about 76% of them are first time visitors. They come off the ferry, they ride a bike down, they hit the kiosk website, and they leave. We do get some good pass-throughs, and we are seeing a lot of walk-through commuters that use the Wi-Fi as they board the ferry. From an age perspective, this one kind of was interesting to me, that about 55%, if you add 13 to 20 and 21 to 30, is about 55% of the folks that are accessing the Wi-Fi down there. Those are the younger folks that are more technological savvy and then 45% are the 30 plus. So a little interesting thought there. Next slide. Thank you. |
| 00:17:51.64 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:17:51.71 | David Archer | Thank you. |
| 00:17:51.83 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:17:51.88 | David Archer | Thank you. |
| 00:17:51.98 | Joe Burns | Another question at this point? Yep. Oh, I think you're gonna get to it. Did you do location of where they came from? |
| 00:17:57.84 | David Archer | Yeah. |
| 00:17:58.11 | Joe Burns | Okay, great. That's the next slide. |
| 00:18:00.12 | David Archer | Thank you, though. That's a great question. By gender, the graph makes it look like it's really large, but it's 51 to 49%. I couldn't get it any closer. I guess I have to change the scale or something. And then the location was interesting. You see a lot of folks from the U.K. and Europe, and then the two places, Texas and New York, a continental US there is another other category that's not being shown on there my belief is but I don't have the data in front of me is there's a lot of California folks in there as well |
| 00:18:34.42 | Joe Burns | And that's where my question was going. The graph on, and I don't want to get too much into comments, so the graph on the drop of Wi-Fi use doesn't look like it's the same drop that we see in actual visitors at that time of year. We seem to go further. So I'm wondering if the later season is somehow more local or more Texas, New York, |
| 00:19:02.05 | David Archer | I think you're right on. I think it's more local. Because when I looked at this graph prior to doing this presentation, New York and Texas weren't that high, and so I think that has something to do with it as well. This helps us. |
| 00:19:02.06 | Joe Burns | I'm sorry. |
| 00:19:14.67 | Joe Burns | This helps us realize who we're talking to at what times of the year. |
| 00:19:18.55 | David Archer | Yeah, exactly. Next slide, please. you Chamber next steps. Well, we want to continue to enhance our communication with our members. We want to communicate better with the residents, and we want to communicate better with the visitors. And so we're working on that. We want to continue to collaborate with the key shareholders down at the ferry landing, actively participate in the GPAC. We've been participating in several of those meetings. We want to continue to refine the radius of our Wi-Fi. It's only about a 30-foot radius from the kiosk and so once you walk past it drops and so we want to potentially create a mesh web where you can walk all the way through Sausalito on the chamber Wi-Fi. And then we also want to continue member recruitment. And then one bullet point I don't have up there but we calculate that our referrals we referred referred over 700,000 to our local businesses of that we calculate about a hundred thousand in sales tax revenue generated off of that using some assumptions on number of restaurants 10% participation at a hundred dollars on their average bill so we we see great things from the kiosk and are excited about what the new ferry landing holds and how we can participate in that as well so that's all I have I'd be glad to entertain questions |
| 00:20:43.60 | Joan Cox | Thank you very much. Okay, questions folks. |
| 00:20:51.53 | Joan Cox | I don't. David shared some of this with me a couple of months ago, so it's not entirely new. So thanks. |
| 00:20:58.35 | Joe Burns | I just have one on the north. I like that you've broken them into four categories. On the north side, is that group meeting, are they kind of coming together as a group, and are they identifying needs? I know you're identifying how to reach them and how to market with them, but what are they looking at as far as getting traffic and what's their growth potential? |
| 00:21:17.76 | David Archer | Yeah. They are coming together. Some of their feedback is signage. And they feel like the ugly stepchild, that they don't get really talked about. They think the chamber's focus is on downtown. So we're trying to overcome those presuppositions. And so the signage is a big issue. Events down there, holding in events. And so we're looking at doing maybe a progressive mixer down there, where you go from business to business to business. So various things like that they're identifying. Obviously, they need foot traffic like everybody else. |
| 00:21:51.72 | Joan Cox | I had understood that you were thinking also about home businesses. Yes. And so, |
| 00:21:59.23 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:21:59.62 | Adam Kriwashi | Thank you. |
| 00:22:01.14 | Joan Cox | How have you either had to adapt to what new thinking or how do you think the chamber can actually provide a benefit for a home business? |
| 00:22:12.28 | David Archer | That's a great question. We took a stab at putting together a forum for them. And it was fairly successful. We had about 20 folks attend it. We held it at one of the local businesses opened up for us. And we just sat back and we listened to what their needs were. And what I described in some of the benefits that we had reestablished or established for those businesses where the copies, the scanning, sometimes a realtor works out of their home and they use a single page scanner, it kind of gets arduous at sometimes, and so they can come in and scan. And so we really just tried to listen. Thank you. think we need, where we kind of, I wouldn't say fail, but where we learned a good lesson is we think we need some young, person, younger person to head that task up because these are entrepreneurs, innovative, and they want bandwidth. And so to go sit at Starbucks, that doesn't help them out because there's no bandwidth. And so to come to the chamber office and use our Wi-Fi, we have a little bit more bandwidth. And so that's another one of the benefits is we invite folks to come and join us in the office, sit, work on the Wi-Fi, make a copy, have a cup of coffee, chat with us if they have questions or something like that. So those are the types of things that we're looking at doing. And the really hard part is to get the folks to engage because they're entrepreneurs. They're up in their second bedroom or their garage, and they're working their tails off, and they want that interaction. And so it's really getting the word out, getting them down. And then I think they may be scared a little bit because we do have a good relationship with the city, and maybe they don't have the right permit or the right... Thank you. out getting them down and then I think you know they may be scared a little bit because we do have a good relationship with the city and maybe they don't have the right permit or the right and so that could be create a little reluctance for them so that's some of the things that we hear |
| 00:23:59.33 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:24:00.06 | David Archer | Thank you. |
| 00:24:02.05 | Joan Cox | Okay, let's open this up for public comment. There may very well be questions down the road, David, but right now, thank you very much, if anybody would like to Come and address the council on this topic. Please fill in a green card. I have one here. Jeff Jacobs. |
| 00:24:29.71 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you, Mayor Withey and Council. Uh, and everybody else here. I do want to talk about the topic I got here at 7. 13, I thought maybe there'd be more public comments on open topics. You're quick. So I guess I'll be quick too. THIS IS THE is the Haftorah for today. It's about the topic that the Chamber of Commerce brought up, monetization. It says this. Thus says the Lord, For three transgressions of Israel, for four, I will not revoke it. Because they have sold for silver, those whose cause was just, and the needy for a pair of sandals. I-U. who trample the heads of the poor into the dust of the ground and make the humble walk with a twisted course. This is a comment on the portion which is about Joseph. And Joseph is one of the 12 sons of Jacob. who becomes Israel. And Joseph is sold by his brothers. FOR NOT VERY MUCH MONEY, and THE FAMILY. his brothers meant for bad turns out to be good. Of course, Joseph's able to save the whole family later on by dealing with the Pharaoh. And when there's a famine in Israel, Jacob and his whole family go to Egypt, and Joseph's been smart enough to store the grain. He's become a high government official. THE HIGHEST BESIDES THE But Joseph has suffered, which makes his heart open to those other people who have suffered. came from a meeting of the Anchorage Association and the new executive director of RBRA, I know Sausalito's no longer a member of it, Beth was there. And She seems to have a heart for the people What they were saying is in the 30 years, 33 years since RBRA's begun, nobody has ever come and listened to the Anchorage before. And she said that part of the reason that she's doing that is because she is a faith-based person. She believes in the unity. Echad in Hebrew. So thanks, Beth, and thank you. for listening. Okay. Hallelujah, and may the rest of the meeting go as well as it's gone so far. |
| 00:27:31.64 | Joan Cox | Thank you very much, Jeff. Is there anybody else who'd like to comment on the chamber presentation? Please, sir. Yoshi, good evening. |
| 00:27:43.77 | Yoshitome | Thank you. Good evening, Yoshitome. I didn't bring a Japanese proverb, say, for this evening. I've become too much to live here, so. . Maybe next time. The David presentation is really important. We have a committee and a restaurant and hoteliers working with issues at downtown is everybody else issue. How we work together. other businesses and community and downtown, the issue quite often become how we can manage better way to control women are able to control how we can manage to traffic and visitors how we can direct them I think one of the reports shows how many Outside of United States UK other people using Wi-Fi Local people probably has a Wi-Fi access may have need to access to it shows how many outside the visit we have and how much important for us to give them a direction of guidance to being socially enjoyed. We can be hospitable. So it's not only the chamber and the social plus and the hospitality, hopefully we can work together better way to manage downtown connection and the directing. We are welcoming everybody. And the benefit for hotel and the restaurants in the city as well. Thank you. |
| 00:29:21.98 | Joan Cox | Thank you very much. Any other member of the public like to address the Council on the Chamber presentation? Okay, seeing none. Bringing it back here, there's no action required, anybody? I don't want to say anything. I'd just like to thank you, thank you, David. Thank you, the chamber, for coming. You know, there's been some ups and downs in the relationship between the city and the chamber, and I feel very much that we sort of reestablished a good working relationship. I'm very, very pleased about that. So thank you very much for your part in that. Thank you. Okay, all right, moving on. |
| 00:30:16.91 | Joan Cox | Item 6B is consideration of a draft request for proposal for congestion management services and I... Don't know who's gonna lead off this one. Is it the chief or is? |
| 00:30:39.36 | Joan Cox | No, this is the bicycle. |
| 00:30:42.63 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:30:43.36 | Unknown | you |
| 00:30:43.44 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:30:43.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:30:44.96 | Unknown | I'm not sure. I just think I can get this plugged in. |
| 00:30:48.65 | Unknown | Aha. |
| 00:31:03.79 | Unknown | Secretary Deeney, we're just here as Melanie's support team. |
| 00:31:06.37 | Unknown | Aha. |
| 00:31:16.62 | Yoshitome | Thank you. |
| 00:31:16.67 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 00:31:16.97 | Yoshitome | you |
| 00:31:21.34 | Melanie Purcell | My apologies, there is not a presentation on this. We have put into the packet the most current version of the proposed RFP, we need to take it to the city finance committee. to discuss the changes that were brought forward at your last meeting. And the Finance Committee reviewed it again. Also added some specific language regarding ensuring that the price per bicycle in the bicycle parking component remained at $3 unless specifically approved by city council so we wanted to reinforce that language within the contract otherwise the changes that were included and mentioned in discussion at the last council meeting were incorporated and then the finance committee added that element. It was also provided to the bicycle and pedestrian committee pedestrian. pedestrian and bicycle committee for their review. as well. So we'd be happy to answer any questions and receive any direction back from the council. |
| 00:32:25.70 | Joan Cox | Okay, thank you. Questions on the RFP? |
| 00:32:30.19 | Jill Hoffman | I, this is going to be more of a background comment because there's no presentation to give context to what this is so This is an effort by the city to issue a request for proposal for management of the bicycles downtown. Up to this point, it's been managed primarily by a nonprofit that's evolved in town called Sausalito Plus. And so in keeping with sort of regular business practices, we decided that we should issue this as an RFP and get bids from other companies and evaluate those bids and go with, and then come back to the City Council at some point in January with whoever responds to the request for proposals and then we'll evaluate those and decide how we're gonna move forward. So that's sort of the context. There's a staff report attached to the agenda, if anybody cares, and the draft RFP is also attached to the staff report. All available online. |
| 00:33:26.45 | Melanie Purcell | To clarify, and I pledge, thank you Council Member Hoffman. The project description specifically is requesting proposals for bicycle ambassador, guide service, bicycle parking services, and bicycle return service. So those were provided by Sausalito Plus and the Sausalito Bicycle Return Company this past year with some pretty good success, but we wanted to put it out to market, see what we get back, we're recommending that can't there be a review committee that would review all of the proposals that come back and then come back to the finance committee and the council to either conduct interviews or finalize their consideration of those proposals. The RFP as written, gives the option for bidders to, or proposers to address all three or any single or combination of those three components. So they could do any piece of that work. |
| 00:34:22.38 | Joan Cox | So can I ask a question about that? At the bottom of page 12 of the RFP it says, to be considered responsive, proposals should address all items identified in this RFP. So you've just addressed my very question, which is, is there a way for us to make it more clear what you just said, which is that proposers can propose for any one or all of the services that we seek. Because this statement that I just read, |
| 00:34:24.11 | Melanie Purcell | THAT. |
| 00:34:57.59 | Joan Cox | to me, says that The only way you can propose is if you're going to address all three. |
| 00:35:05.61 | Melanie Purcell | Yes, the line above it is we can incorporate that into the proposal response. It says in the event that a company wishes to provide all our accommodations. So we'll incorporate that into number six. That would then reiterate that it is The proposal response needs to include all of the elements within each of the project areas. So within any project area for which they're providing a proposal. |
| 00:35:31.63 | Joan Cox | Yes, so for each option they have to address all of the elements of that option. |
| 00:35:33.11 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 00:35:37.23 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 00:35:39.11 | Joan Cox | Thank you for that clarification. |
| 00:35:41.54 | Joe Burns | I have a question that would be related to the Finance Committee's review of this. Did the Finance Committee crunch numbers as far as pro forma or expectation of any fees? Is there a parking fee that we're starting to consider? Will that come about? Because we're using parking spaces that we're gonna attribute a and financial value to? |
| 00:36:02.58 | Melanie Purcell | Within the RFP, we allude to the fact that the expectation is that the services, the revenue from this, will cover, at minimum reimburse the city back for the lost revenue. |
| 00:36:15.25 | Joe Burns | IS THERE A GOOD, IS, WHEN WILL |
| 00:36:15.56 | Melanie Purcell | of those patients. |
| 00:36:17.53 | Joe Burns | the determination of the last revenue amount come to light to the RFP provider or |
| 00:36:25.16 | Melanie Purcell | We intend to have a pre-bid or pre-proposal meeting, in which case we would also identify that. If you wish, we'll go ahead and include, you know, at the last estimate was specific. We've actually, we do have a history now that we can incorporate and say an average of the last three years. |
| 00:36:41.86 | Joe Burns | Thank you. That number is just so ambiguous. |
| 00:36:47.96 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:36:48.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:48.48 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. The parking space number? |
| 00:36:51.26 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:36:51.40 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:36:51.41 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:36:52.76 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. But we do have estimates, right? Mm-hm. I mean, we have a good faith sort of basis for the estimates, I think, but you're right, it depends on a lot of things. |
| 00:36:56.83 | Unknown | you |
| 00:37:03.13 | Joe Burns | Well last meeting it was anywhere from 11 to 89,000. That was a big range. |
| 00:37:11.82 | Joan Cox | Thank you. You put the 80-odd thousand number in the RFP, right? If... |
| 00:37:19.61 | Melanie Purcell | Yes, I believe we did. |
| 00:37:21.08 | Joan Cox | Okay. |
| 00:37:21.10 | Melanie Purcell | So I'll double check that. |
| 00:37:22.36 | Joan Cox | And again, I think we discussed last time, is that a real number? Because what's the actual occupancy rate? |
| 00:37:30.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:37:30.51 | Joan Cox | of the meters and therefore what's the real loss per meter over that integrated over that time, you know? |
| 00:37:39.93 | Melanie Purcell | We'll go back to a three-year average because the 89 is the maximum. |
| 00:37:41.47 | Joan Cox | Yeah. Right. That's the point. Right. |
| 00:37:48.13 | Melanie Purcell | And we can take the average of space occupancy in lot one specifically. |
| 00:37:55.68 | Jill Hoffman | So what's the process for coming back to the City Council with the proposal, so you're gonna depending on how many proposals you even get, right? So we'll see what comes in. But then are you gonna post those somewhere? Are those gonna be, you know, given to all of the City Council, regardless of who's on the Finance Committee or not on the Finance Committee? |
| 00:38:21.09 | Melanie Purcell | What we've recommended is that members of the Finance Committee, Police Chief, Public Works Director, Administrative Services Director will review all submitted proposals and then recommend interviews. recommend specific vendors within the recommendation we will provide all of the proposals to the council The idea is to have a committee go through and ensure that the responses actually are the proposals are actually responsive and responsible so we would actually do some some checking to verify one that they add up, that the numbers are logical, that there's some reasonableness for the council to even consider them. |
| 00:38:51.80 | Jill Hoffman | So I think, assuming that we don't get like a large number of proposals, if it's less than five or 10 or something. I think it's important that all of the city council see all the proposals and then if there's an analysis, staff analysis done, that'd be given to the entire city council. |
| 00:39:12.32 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:39:12.52 | Jill Hoffman | And regardless of what other vetting or subcommittee work goes on. So I think that would be helpful. |
| 00:39:21.65 | Joan Cox | question. |
| 00:39:22.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:39:24.18 | Joan Cox | Do you have a marketing plan or an outreach plan of folks to make sure Oh, my mic wasn't on. Do you have an outreach plan to try to generate interest and proposals for these services? |
| 00:39:40.62 | Melanie Purcell | In particular, we're looking for other agencies, public agencies that have gone out for parking management proposals. We will be contacting as many private firms or nonprofits or anybody that we can find. The expectation is there are a number of private sector vendors who may or may not be interested and those that have already been doing the business. We would also solicit their input on this. and by the way we do need to post it on the website. We have not, are not recommending at this point going out to the national um, procurement websites. So that's not on the list at this time. If it looks like we really need to do that, then we would explore that option, but it's not cheap. |
| 00:40:28.31 | Joan Cox | Okay, any other questions? Before I forget, before I open this up for public comment, I had one thing I did catch, just so I'm sorry I should have just let you know offline, but I didn't, I've just caught it. On page 16 of 18, submittal deadline, you've actually underlined, obviously a bit of cut and pasting from a previous RFP, I'm guessing, request for proposal for comprehensive facility condition assessment. I imagine that was the RFP for the MLK thing. So you need to change that to bicycle congestion management services, I think. |
| 00:41:13.15 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 00:41:14.75 | Joan Cox | It was underlined. That's the only reason I caught it. |
| 00:41:18.90 | Melanie Purcell | OK. We've seen it too many times. Thank you. I skipped it because it was underlined. |
| 00:41:25.97 | Joan Cox | It's just a title of the proposal. |
| 00:41:26.63 | Unknown | of the proposal. |
| 00:41:27.29 | Joan Cox | Okay. |
| 00:41:27.86 | Unknown | Okay. There you go. |
| 00:41:29.03 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Okay, thank you. We may come back to you with questions. We're now opening this up for public comment. And is there anybody who'd like to comment on this? As I'm receiving cards, the first one I've got is from Ed Fogg. |
| 00:41:56.57 | Joan Cox | THE FAMILY IS you know. |
| 00:41:59.28 | Ed Fogg | GOOD EVENING. |
| 00:41:59.64 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:41:59.65 | Ed Fogg | Thank you. Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the council, Ed Fodge, 2 Alexander Avenue. Here in Sausalito, I have had the pleasure of chairing the Sausalito pedestrian bike advisory committee meeting for the last few years. Just to start, I have no issue with the RFP. I think it's a great idea. I have no issue with the way it's written. I don't know. We made some recommendations as a committee. It's all fine. So some related comments. I would not hire a bunch of extra staff to review the many responses. I would suggest that the Marine Bike Coalition be notified because they may have some interesting ideas with regards to this subject and I just thought of that when Molly was presenting. specifically with regards to a couple of the sub points. The reference to the actual revenue, or in this case, lost revenue. from a space that's removed is actually, in my opinion, more complicated than seeing the historical average of the amount put in the meter because the only way you actually lose revenue is if someone doesn't park in Sausalito. So it's really just a question of when the lot is completely full and then you have to go to lot two and then lot three. So I think the number is actually probably substantially less than $11,000. And that may or may not be part of one of the RFPs. The Another related comment, separating the bike parking from congestion management may work in terms of getting smarter by having people respond to an RFP. From a practical standpoint, I believe it would be very inefficient to do that because it's actually the people parking bikes who are also doing the congestion management And as we found with the queuing issue, you actually lose efficiency by having, you know, people who are, you know, uh, sub-specialized I'm not sure. Probably the biggest concern I have frankly with the RFP is that when you read it, you would think, that we're done. Thank you. That we figured it out, we cracked the code, We're managing the bikes, it's all under control. We don't need to do any new creative things. And just from our committee standpoint, nothing could be further from the truth. And I think that statement or that perspective would come as a shock to the citizens and to many of the merchants of the downtown. It is in fact the dynamic nature of the work over the last few years that have created things that we're now saying, oh, well, that makes a lot of sense, like $3 parking. you may recall there was a question, should that be $2 parking or $1 parking? And it was sort of a dynamic, thing. I mean there's a lot of stuff that still needs to be worked out. The relationship with the bike vendors is still a big question mark. Who's going to handle queuing is a big question mark. So I don't say that in any way to say don't do the RFP. I don't actually have any proposed changes. But rather whatever you get back, It's a few more points on a line and we still have a fair amount more work to do. |
| 00:45:16.37 | Joan Cox | appreciate those comments. Thank you. Again, if anybody would like to comment on this agenda item, please feel free to do so. Fill in a green card. Jeff Jacobs. |
| 00:45:34.88 | Jeff Jacobs | Hi again, council. It might seem like I'm talking about every issue sometimes, but since I've been here, the only three that I have talked about have been boats, and this one, bicycles, and. Buds, budding flowers, which is also on the agenda. Today I... I neglected to finish the Haftorah with the which is a message of consolation that it's not supposed to end with THE FAMILY. like they've done wrong and there's no hope. It says this, it says, hear this word, O people of Israel, that the Lord has spoken concerning you, concerning the whole family that I brought up from the land of Egypt, You alone have I singled out out of all the families of the earth. That is why I call you to account for all your iniquities. The family of Israel now has been joined in a lot of ways by people around the world. the Christians and the Muslims. the Hindus and the Buddhists, and even Jared Huffman, our Our congressperson, who is one of the people that put on, when they asked him which religion he was, he put none of the above. But he didn't call himself an atheist. It's hard for a person to describe themselves by what they're against. So I realized in this bicycle thing that it, DOES MAKE SENSE TO manage this correctly. I was eating at Poggio's, and I put my bike there against a post. And this was during the summer, and there were so many people there, I realized that if there were two bicycles against the post, there's no way people could get past on the sidewalk. I get that. But, When this A PROPOSAL HERE CALLS FOR BICYCLE AMBASSADORS AND GUIDES And the guides are there only for parking purposes. It seems like a little bit of neglect of the beauty and the history and the culture we have of Sausalito, that there's not a more proactive way to take the 270,000 people who are flying here and show them something they haven't seen before, before they leave. There's another something on this report that I need to point out, which is on page 16, it has the date for this proposal, the deadline, and that deadline is a number of stars, it's blank. So if I can get the date, for the deadline for the proposal, that would be really wonderful. Thank you. |
| 00:48:29.87 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:48:31.63 | Jeff Jacobs | Do we have the date? |
| 00:48:34.39 | Joan Cox | Could the- Did someone on the city staff explain why there are stars there and not an actual date? |
| 00:48:45.26 | Unknown | Yes, sir. |
| 00:48:45.84 | Joan Cox | you I'm not. |
| 00:48:51.03 | Joan Cox | I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT |
| 00:48:53.07 | Melanie Purcell | Well we put those in there to hold their place. We will be posting it for a minimum of 30 days given that the holidays are in full swing in less than a week. We'll probably go closer to a six week time frame. So part of it is when we actually get it all tied up nice and pretty with a bow, council's blessing, then it'll get posted and get sent out to everybody Based on that, we'll probably go six weeks out. So I would assume mid-January. |
| 00:49:16.11 | Unknown | Thank you. THANK YOU. Okay, Adam Kravace. |
| 00:49:30.50 | Adam Kriwashi | Thank you, Mayor. Honorable Counsel Adam Kriwashi-840, Ulima Street. I read through this 18-page solicitation for proposal and I find it's very thorough to the point where if I would be bidding for a job, I would... wonder how I can charge as much as I would like to to do all this work. So it shows how much work has been done in the past by volunteers and through the city's efforts for A reasonable cost. This probably will be a challenge to any private company to undertake this work. for profit. And the COMMENT. I'm here to uh bring to you is that this is dealing with bicycles, and In the past, we've been preoccupied with bicycles, I think we should spend equal amount of effort in accommodating pedestrians. And for that you need to calculate space requirements, THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE . walkways, paths, nice little plazas, destinations. We did a plan for Waikiki. We found out that they needed 1.2 miles of pedestrian paths in order to make people feel that they're not walking on the heels of someone else. or that they didn't feel like staying home because they were to crowd. And I think This applies only to the peak population when we have or downtown Ford. But it should be. planned And for this, you need, uh, capable urban designer, and not a crowd management company. Thank you. |
| 00:51:46.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:46.95 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Okay, anybody else like to comment on this gender item? Peter. |
| 00:51:56.79 | Peter Romanowski | Thank you. |
| 00:51:56.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:57.11 | Peter Romanowski | you |
| 00:51:57.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:57.37 | Peter Romanowski | Thank you. |
| 00:52:00.96 | Peter Romanowski | Peter Romanowski, Pastor Peter Romanowski of the Waterfront Community Church, which meets every Sunday at noon with the dinner at the Senior Center. And with dinner and No, I just had a question like, I've been sitting down there at the waterfront greeting and entertaining for like 13 years. My dog, eight years. We have the longest running show in the history of Sarsley, a daily show. I wear many titles. unofficial mayor for life. Anyways, I had a question. I keep hearing ambulances and fire trucks every day. racing up there. And somebody said that these are bike accidents. A lot of them are bike accidents. And of course, there's all the suicide victims, apparently. I've heard I mean, maybe you can answer a question. I just had two questions. Like, are these ambulances going for crashed people barreling down that thing crashing, and are they picking up all the suicides? Is that what those things are all about? |
| 00:53:10.77 | Peter Romanowski | I don't know. Thank you. |
| 00:53:12.38 | Joan Cox | Well I'm not sure we can answer that question for you tonight. But I'm sure the staff will be able to. |
| 00:53:15.85 | Peter Romanowski | but I'm sure the staff would be able to pull |
| 00:53:19.24 | Joan Cox | I'm going to fold that together for you. |
| 00:53:20.56 | Peter Romanowski | YOU. |
| 00:53:21.45 | Joan Cox | Okay. |
| 00:53:22.30 | Peter Romanowski | UNS |
| 00:53:24.88 | Ed Fogg | . |
| 00:53:24.97 | Peter Romanowski | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:53:25.03 | Ed Fogg | Okay, great. |
| 00:53:28.02 | Peter Romanowski | Right. Because it... |
| 00:53:28.81 | Unknown | Thank you. So, |
| 00:53:29.62 | Peter Romanowski | If these people keep crashing, you know, the bikes, and it's costing Salcedo a lot of money, you know what I mean? |
| 00:53:36.79 | Joan Cox | Yep. |
| 00:53:37.13 | Peter Romanowski | Thank you. God bless you. Thank you. |
| 00:53:39.21 | Joan Cox | We'll make sure you get that information. Thank you. Okay, is there anybody else? I see some people holding some green cards and not coming forward. No? No? Okay, I'm going to close public comment. Anybody else? |
| 00:54:03.56 | Joan Cox | You don't have to fill it in straight away if you want to talk. |
| 00:54:12.64 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:54:18.24 | Joan Cox | THEIR OWNERS. |
| 00:54:23.22 | Joan Cox | Susan. |
| 00:54:28.08 | Susan Khabarovsky | Hi, my name is Susan Khabarovsky and I just done |
| 00:54:28.55 | Joan Cox | See? Thank you. |
| 00:54:30.03 | Unknown | He's done. |
| 00:54:30.42 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:54:31.22 | Susan Khabarovsky | In so far as bikes go, myself, I've noticed that there's a heck a lot of bicyclists in Sausalito, more so than in any place else. And driving, it gets, you know, you get nervous. There's a lot of bicyclists on the side of the road. Maybe some more signs beware of bicyclists. I think, I don't know what the preacher was talking about, ACCIDENTS, BUT I found that it's kind of nerve-wracking driving on the right-hand side of Bridgeway with all those bicyclists. Maybe a couple more signs saying, you know, major bicyclists around, be careful. I don't know, but I don't, thank you. |
| 00:55:15.01 | Joan Cox | Thank you very much. Okay, seeing no other public comment, I'm gonna close public comment and move this back up here. Now, what are our action items for this evening here? |
| 00:55:34.11 | Joan Cox | direct staff to distribute the RFP and to say a certain response. Thank you. |
| 00:55:38.01 | Melanie Purcell | The request is for you to either agree or ask us to come back or send us forth to tie it up with a bow and post it. |
| 00:55:38.04 | Joan Cox | I'm going to go. |
| 00:55:38.16 | Unknown | That's great. |
| 00:55:38.55 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:55:38.61 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:55:38.85 | Joan Cox | you |
| 00:55:45.36 | Joan Cox | Okay, super. Questions or comments? you Anybody got anything to say? |
| 00:55:52.60 | Jill Hoffman | No, I mean I think it looks good, ready to go. I say host and let's go forward. |
| 00:55:57.21 | Joan Cox | Well, I just sent off an email with the notes from the dais from this evening to you. |
| 00:56:03.20 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:56:03.24 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 00:56:03.30 | Joan Cox | Thank you. uh, So I would say direct staff to make the revisions that we've enunciated and get it out the door. And I like the six week, I like having it out there six weeks and I would like to see, I sent you some suggestions for a marketing plan so I do want to see that, you know. transmitted to prospective proposers so that I would love it if we got too many to review. |
| 00:56:36.66 | Joan Cox | Okay, I would just like to add that I think what Dr. Fuch's comments on the fact that you know we're part way through a move in playing field here, or maybe not playing field, but whatever analogy you want to use, things are moving, right? And I think we alluded to this last time, we discussed this, that we're in negotiations with the bridge district about the whole issue of congestion management and queuing, for instance. You know, that could have a significant effect on some of the services requests. So I think that is a very good point that I've made and we need to recognize that, you know, this is a moving target. |
| 00:57:31.05 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:57:31.17 | Joan Cox | But yeah, let's submit it and see what happens. Thank you. Well, you've got direction, you know where it going. Okay, and. Let's move on. Next item. 6C, so thank you very much everybody involved in that. 6C is a presentation by Southern Marine Fire District, the end of season fire report. Chief Chris Tubbs or whoever. |
| 00:58:15.64 | Fred Hilliard | Chris Tubbs is with us in spirit. |
| 00:58:21.53 | Fred Hilliard | Good evening, counsel. Fred Hilliard, Deputy Fire Marshal with Southern Marine Fire. I'm here to just recap quickly of the fire season that we've had and of course, you know, the hot topic obviously right now and the thoughts with all the devastation that happened up north is definitely affecting what's going on in the city and what's going on in the fire district. We have pretty much tripled in the last several weeks or month our weed abatement and phone calls regarding fire hazards within the city and also within the fire district. So we are taking action on all of that. We go out to every inspection and we make sure that whatever the situation is within our power we can abate that. With the topic at hand, I just wanted to go over several of our highlights that we did this year for the fire district and the city of Sausalito. In June, the district We started our weed abatement program a little late this year, but that was on purpose for several reasons. But during the time, we were able to, to date, look at most of the area that we considered to be the high fire hazard areas within the city, and we were able to issue 40 weed abatements, or sorry, 400 wheat abatements. And we also looked at several other city parcels that we were planning on working with the city in the future to abate those issues as well. We've worked with the National Park Service with putting a red flag warning sign on Alexander. So when we do have the red flag days, which everybody knows exactly what a red flag warning day is, we can open the signs and let the public know. We're also going to be working with the staff and the city to put one at another location within the city. And so that will be coming forth. We're still and continually working on our hazard survey and GIS map for the entire city. There was a map that was done through the county which was the CWPP, the countywide protection plan. And based on that and also the data that we're gathering with going out and looking at different areas within the city, we're putting together a formative map that will show specific areas that we need to pay more attention to with regards to vegetation management. We held a two-hour fire and marine class along with Mill Valley Fire. This was at the seminary. I sent out 14,500 flyers for this class. And we had about 60 people that showed up to that. And then just after the fire, there was another class that was held, and it was just posted on the website and posted on Tiburon's website, Mill Valley's website. And we had packed crowd of about 65 people. And we're planning, we had a wait list. We're planning on doing another one in January, so we'll be doing another one in January. And then just prior to the fire season, we're gonna be doing a lot more of education. So education is a huge topic for getting the message out to what needs to be done on your personal property, private property in order to protect yourself and create the defensible space. I'm not sure. We also have updated all of our social media networks, including our websites and connection to Facebook and all the other social medias. And we've been regularly updating that. So people that log into southernmondfire.org are able to get really up-to-date information, including if incidents are happening right now. We update that. That's how frequently we update it. So we can actually update that in the field as well. We're planning to, so in the future here, and actually, Most likely it'll be in May. We're gonna do at least two large scale chipper days with the city. So we're going to reach out to the community. We're going to look at areas, we're gonna basically see who's interested by interest cards, who wants to be involved with these chipper days. We're gonna figure a couple of different locations for this and it will, the way the chipper will work is people will be able to take their cut vegetation to the chipper and then we'll chip it and remove it for them. We're going to continue with our public education mailers. We want to obviously, you know, a lot of us, we all use social media, but there is a large majority of citizens within Sausalito that do not use the social media. So we're going to continue with our public education mailers. And we're going to hand those out quite often. We're going to try to do it on a quarterly basis. We're also have increased our participation with the homeowners association groups. It's always easier for us to work with a bigger group than individuals and individual neighbors or five or six neighbors. So the homeowners associations, we're really trying to tie in with them to get buy in to clear a larger area of vegetation or flammable, obviously flammable vegetation. And also to talk about what they could do to provide their structures with a better defense against a major fire if we should have one. And then lastly, we're working again with the county, and we're doing some GIS mapping for the next round of the CWPP, which is the Countywide Protection Plan. So with that, I'll take any questions. |
| 01:04:49.95 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Do we have any questions? Please. |
| 01:04:55.30 | Joe Burns | Thank you. Thank you, Fred. As we chat a little bit, from my purview as a real estate agent, I see the importance of brush management and property management as far as the community side. These fires obviously taught us a lot as a population, and I can only imagine, I guess my question is going to be what type of education are you we're going to receive in the departments receiving on what occurred, some of the products that held up, some that didn't, that type of thing. And when will that start kind of unfolding back to us? Because I think that's going to be a fire hose of information, so to speak, that's going to be really important going forward. |
| 01:05:39.23 | Chris Tubbs | Excellent question. For the record, Chris Tubbs, Fire Chief. The Marin County Fire Chiefs, of course, are taking stock of the events in the North Bay region. I'd say that while we're still waiting for the investigation by CAL FIRE to be completed, A lot of what we do has been reinforced by what we saw up in the North Bay region with regards to vegetation management, defensible space, evacuation planning. So the Ready, Set, Go campaign, Alert Marin, which is the way that we contact folks, we reinforce those. But some of the lessons that we're pulling from this is in the case of the fires up in Sonoma, some of the infrastructure that was used for alerting failed because it burned. So one of the things we're taking from this is the need to build redundant systems. So there's discussion about sirens and other ways to create awareness. This is the important piece. You can have the defensible space and the vegetation management, which is key. But you need to be aware of a situation when it arises so that you have plenty of time to get out of your home with your loved ones. And so this gets in again to the ready, set, go campaign. But we're still exploring that and trying to dissect what systems that we currently use either need to be refined or improved if they can be or are there systems that we've not considered before that we should be pushing more in our educational campaigns? For example, the importance of community and neighborhood groups. Tom Welch is the fire chief for the city of Mill Valley. Tom lost his home in that fire. And one of the things that Tom has shared with us is that the infrastructure for alerting for them was completely absent. And it was sort of every person for themselves. And what Tom has shared with us is that what really was important to him, it was a reminder of the importance of building community within your neighborhood. So you create situational awareness with your neighbors. That's another piece of this. But in short, to answer your question, we're still, I think, extracting that and dissecting that and hope to come back with some recommendations. Yeah, thank you. |
| 01:07:53.72 | Joan Cox | Thanks, great question. Any other questions, please? |
| 01:07:58.97 | Jill Hoffman | First, thanks for your quick response and the quick resolution of our fire that we had here in Sausalito that was a little fire, but could have been a very dangerous and scary. So thank you for that first. And my second question is, can you just specifically tell us what you mean by weed management, so that if there's someone watching today, you would say, well, OK, I've got some weeds outside my house, but is it something that I need to really, or is it something that may catch your attention and something that I need to take care of? |
| 01:08:33.50 | Fred Hilliard | Yeah, so we have a program currently that's a weed abatement program, and There's some guidelines that we use that are within the fire code and also countywide that talk about pyrophytic type plant material, but essentially what we're saying is, you know, what we can see from the road as we come up to your house and the areas that we can determine, we issue, if you have a, flammable grasses or scotch broom or pyrophytic type plants, then we would issue you a notice, and it's not a citation, it's just a notice to clear the brush, and we give you a certain amount of time to do that, and then if there's no compliance, we'll come and say, we really need you to do this, and then it goes through the citation process. But essentially there are guidelines and we have a standard in the fire department which is available online that we allow give people and then on the form itself, it talks about, you know, 30 feet of clearance and the types of that needs to be cleared for defensible space. |
| 01:09:41.12 | Chris Tubbs | Just one more thing to add to that and certainly learn this, the importance of this up in the North Bay region. But ember travel, and you've heard Captain Lochner speak about that before the Council in the past, the importance of keeping your gutters clean, and this again goes to sort of the whole defensible space and vegetation management. The idea is let's remove or minimize the fuel, and a lot of times people forget the roof lines and things like that, and ember travel is a big problem. |
| 01:10:08.86 | Jill Hoffman | Sorry, I have a follow-up question. My apologies, I know I'm bringing this on you. But you came and it was about fire. This update. Are there any specific areas in Sausalito that are of particular concern to you as our fire department that you? |
| 01:10:29.02 | Fred Hilliard | Keep an eye on. To pick a specific area, I think it's, we look at the entire city right now and we're looking at fuel modeling. We're looking at the types of fuels, meaning what kind of trees do we have? What kind of shrubs do we have? What areas faced the southern exposure that are in the summertime are heated more say, you know, we do look at aspect, especially during the fire season, we look at the areas in Sausalito that get more sun than others. |
| 01:10:29.26 | Jill Hoffman | Keep an eye on. |
| 01:11:01.88 | Fred Hilliard | We're in a marine environment. We do get quite a bit of fog in the summertime. However, the fuel moisture level during that fire on the freeway was at 10%, which is basically like anything that could spark would set a fire off. So again, that aspect and then the elevation, we look at those areas. So we're looking at the hills. We're looking where there's a lot of the eucalyptus, a lot of the brooms and the areas that are not being managed right now, I would say. So specifically, I can't give you an area of the city, but I can tell you it's the areas where you know, there's a large accumulation of pyrophytic material. |
| 01:11:46.09 | Joan Cox | Just for clarity, if folks want to understand, okay, the term you just used, pyrophytic. |
| 01:11:55.34 | Fred Hilliard | It's paraphytic, yeah. Okay. Okay. |
| 01:11:56.27 | Joan Cox | Yeah, okay. Do you have a list somewhere of what plants are pyrophytic and what plants or type of plants aren't you know? |
| 01:11:57.31 | Fred Hilliard | Thank you. |
| 01:12:04.76 | Fred Hilliard | Oh yes, absolutely. |
| 01:12:04.79 | Joan Cox | Thank you. And where can people find that information? |
| 01:12:07.81 | Fred Hilliard | So the best place to find that is would be firesafemorin.org. And because what we did, there's a board of fire marshals and other stakeholders that are like open space and whatnot. And we sit together on this board, and we actually look specifically at this particular fuel. all these models and on our website, we just updated all of the plant materials. And when I say pyrophytic, it just means that it's normally flammable even when it's green. There is a whole list of all the species of plants, as well as the species of plants that are not and that are drought resistant. So firesafemarin.org is the place to go for that. |
| 01:13:00.27 | Joan Cox | Okay, great, firesafemarin.org. Okay, thanks. Okay, any other questions before we open this up for public comment? Okay, any member of the public like to address the council on this agenda topic? We have Dr. Fudge. |
| 01:13:27.34 | Ed Fogg | Ed Fonch, 2 Alexander Avenue. Following up on... Council Member Hoffman's question about areas of concern. If you thought of a fire and sauce lead away, it either starts inside the city and spreads or it starts outside and comes in. It's unlikely it's going to come from the east because there's a bay out there. And then north, you've got Richardson Bay, as we just proved with the fire west. You've got 101, which isn't necessarily a fire break, but it helps, especially from an access standpoint. But because I've lived for 30 years on the south end of town, And there's a question coming. I think if you had to define the risk factors that were just laid out, southern exposure, eucalyptus, broom, open space for That's the south end of town. And. um, If you look up the line between Sausalito and the National Park Service property, there's a lot of brush. Thank you. And there is a lot of trees and a lot of ukes and broom that are pretty close to the houses. I happen to be one of them. and our little neighborhood, we don't have a homeowner's association, but we're all kind of standing in the street smelling the smoke when the fire was burning, and we've all kind of gotten together, we're putting a plan together to get rid of some of the pyrophytic slash pyrogenic, there's fun words to look up, eucalyptus, so on and so forth. But my question is, and I truly don't know the answer to this, Where does the National Park Service fit into this? and we can hold all the meetings we want, but they're the ones that own the big piece of property. Next to our property, we've got Monterey Pine, Monterey Cypress, those both burn pretty well, and then beyond that, a bunch of ukes and a bunch of grasses. And so my question is, is we try to, as a community, say, we wanna be fire safe, Is there a forum for having these discussions with the National Park Service? Because if there is, I'm not familiar with it. And they're really big players in this space. Thank you. |
| 01:15:28.51 | Joan Cox | It's a good point. Thank you. Is there any other public comment on this matter? No, okay, well let's close public comment and throw out the question, what about the Park Service? |
| 01:15:44.44 | Chris Tubbs | I don't know if I can definitively answer the question, but I'll do my best. So of course the park property is federal land, it's federal jurisdiction. The fire district has no legal authority over that. Having said that, the fire district provides services to the GGNRA by way of a contract through the Department of Interior. We have a very good relationship with the folks out in GGNRA. Obviously they have an interest in keeping that area absent of fire and other hazards. It attracts a lot of tourists and a lot of local folks. So there's not a public forum that I'm aware of but what I can say is I know at the fire district level we have have a great relationship with them. And this is something that we work on together collaboratively on a regular basis. Does that mean that it addressed all of the hazards? No. And if there are things that the council would like us specifically to take to that group, more than happy to do that. |
| 01:16:43.95 | Joan Cox | So I've seen briefings from that group to the City Council about the dangers and what they do and what we can do to mitigate some of those hazards. So one thing we could do is invite them back. |
| 01:17:00.83 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:17:00.88 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:17:00.90 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 01:17:01.03 | Jill Hoffman | you Can I, and this seems to be not just a Sausalito issue though. I mean, the GGNRA or other open space backs right up to Mill Valley, it backs right up to Mirror Beach and other, Tam Junction. So I think probably a concentrated and coordinated effort with regard to defensible space from that next to, as part of the Southern Marine Fire District is probably a good idea for all of us down here. And that might be something we want to address at MCCMC, or Marin County Council members and mayors. |
| 01:17:37.46 | Joan Cox | OK. Any other questions or comments? Thank you for coming. |
| 01:17:55.10 | Joan Cox | Okay, we are going to take a two minute break. So we'll be back on the record in two to five minutes. |
| 01:18:09.74 | Joan Cox | Okay. |
| 01:18:13.96 | Joan Cox | OK, we're back on the record. So we now move on to our public hearing items. Item 5A is to be continued, but I think our Administrative Services Director, sorry, Community Development Director, sorry Danny, is gonna give a brief explanation. |
| 01:18:41.35 | Danny Castro | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. The applicant, John McCoy and David Holub, have requested for this item to be continued to a special meeting of December 4th at 7 PM. And so there is a special city council meeting on December 4th. The applicant could not make it to tonight's meeting. So therefore, his request for continuance. |
| 01:19:04.74 | Joan Cox | Do we have to take any action or is it automatically continued? |
| 01:19:08.72 | Danny Castro | With your consent, yes, it would be continued to the December 4th meeting. |
| 01:19:14.21 | Joan Cox | That's the request. Okay, and we have a consensus to continue that until December 4th. |
| 01:19:20.40 | Danny Castro | Thank you. |
| 01:19:20.42 | Joan Cox | Sure. |
| 01:19:20.82 | Joan Cox | Yes. |
| 01:19:22.29 | Joan Cox | Well, I'm going to state for the record, Mr. Mayor, that I will not participate in that hearing. Correct. |
| 01:19:27.19 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, sorry. Yeah, so Mr. Mayor, I apologize. Yes, Vice Mayor Cox, if you could do a quick voice vote, that would be helpful. I'm just all in favor. |
| 01:19:28.57 | Joan Cox | So. Yes. |
| 01:19:36.58 | Mary Wagner | Okay. |
| 01:19:36.75 | Joan Cox | Okay, all in favor of the continuance, knowing that the vice mayor will be. I will abstain. Will be abstaining. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? No, that motion carries three zero. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, our next item, item 5B is ADU regulations, introduction of an ordinance, amending the Sausalito Municipal Code. |
| 01:19:41.16 | Mary Wagner | I will abstain. |
| 01:19:49.48 | Adam Kriwashi | you. |
| 01:19:49.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:19:49.76 | Adam Kriwashi | Thank you. |
| 01:20:06.81 | Danny Castro | Good evening again, Mr. Mayor. Danny Castro, your Community Development Director. And I'm here to present a zoning ordinance amendment for accessory dwelling unit regulations to be in compliance with state law. |
| 01:20:25.88 | Danny Castro | So to give you some background, Accessory dwelling units known as ADUs are second units that are either attached or to a main residence or located in a detached accessory structure. Have exterior access and kitchen and bathroom facilities. California law has found that ADUs provide needed additional rental housing and are an important component in addressing the state's housing needs. The city's housing element counts ADUs towards the regional housing needs allocation which is known as RENA. Current state law and Sausalito's code requires that a non-discretionary staff level approval of an ADU if certain requirements are satisfied regarding the size, square feet, location, height, number of bedrooms and parking. This applies citywide to all single family residential R1, R2 zones and R3 zones in the city. The state law changes to the accessory dwelling unit regulations became effective on January 1st of 2017. They adopted this, state adopted this legislation, further reducing the restrictions a city may impose on the development of ADUs. The legislative committee has met a number of times regarding and reviewing these state law changes. The cities must submit copies of their ordinance to the state Housing and Community Development Department, or HCD, within 60 days of the adoption. Any local ordinance that does not comply with the state law is invalid. The amendments to the accessory dwelling unit regulations The proposed ordinance amendments implement the requirements of the new state law and also includes some minor clarification changes. In your packet you have a red line ordinance that takes the current ordinance and applies the changes to that. I will now go over the main highlights of the state law changes and how the current ADU regulations are modified. One of the main changes are parking. State law reduces the requirement for off-street, on-site parking for ADUs. It is not required to provide parking if the property is located within a half mile of public transit. is within an architecturally and historically significant district. is constructed as part of an existing primary residence or an existing accessory structure is in an area where on-street parking permits are required but not offered to the occupant of the ADU or is located within one block of a vehicle ride share area. The current ADU ordinance does require one off-street parking space for an ADU of 700 square feet or less and two off-street parking spaces for ADUs that are greater than 700 square feet. |
| 01:23:23.30 | Danny Castro | Here is a map that illustrates where in the city, where, well basically it states that these are all the map of the transit stops in Sausalito and a one half mile radius where the city will not have the ability to require off street parking for ADUs because all of the residential districts are within one half mile of a public transit stop, which includes the Golden Gate Transit bus stop or a ferry location such as Golden Gate or Blue and Gold Ferries. |
| 01:23:55.50 | Jill Hoffman | But that's a good thing. I mean, it's a good thing that we're everything, everybody lives within a half mile of transit. So I just want to say that. Isn't that right? Isn't that right? |
| 01:24:06.84 | Unknown | I'M NOT GOING TO BE |
| 01:24:08.46 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:24:09.88 | Danny Castro | The, um, The no off-street parking as mandated by state law will have an impact on Sausalito's residential streets. There will be serious negative impacts from the additional parking demand that ADUs will create on Sausalito's residential streets. For example, due to the density of the city's development and the narrow width of many streets, Sausalito is uniquely limited in its ability to provide the off-street parking for ADUs. Numerous residential properties lack off-street parking. 44% of the city's housing stock was constructed prior to 1940. And, At that time, at most, only one space was provided, if not or none at all. This lack of off-street parking compels residents and guests to rely on street parking. Further, there are residential streets that are inadequate to service the existing residential neighborhoods. As they are substandard in width, they lack sidewalks. They are along steep grades, blind curves, uncontrolled intersections and poor visibility. Requiring off street parking in areas of substandard street widths would minimize the impacts of street parking in the neighborhood. The increased traffic and parking congestion from ADUs, especially. |
| 01:25:31.89 | Joan Cox | Wait, wait, say that again. requiring, I think it... |
| 01:25:35.47 | Danny Castro | I think I, yeah. |
| 01:25:36.26 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 01:25:36.29 | Danny Castro | Thank you. |
| 01:25:36.31 | Joan Cox | Yeah I don't think it minimizes don't you mean it. Well, exactly. |
| 01:25:40.93 | Danny Castro | Exactly. |
| 01:25:41.35 | Joan Cox | exacerbates. |
| 01:25:42.03 | Danny Castro | It would exacerbate the fact that there's a demand for parking on the streets. Thank you. And then the increased parking Demand on certain streets and the parking congestions would impede emergency and fire access. And on-street parking for ADUs pose a hazard to public health and safety and will significantly impact traffic flow. So, We also consulted with the Southern Marin Fire District. And in terms of for safe access, The fire code requires 20 feet. for safe access and at minimum A minimum 16 feet is necessary to allow fire truck to safely access the site and for personnel and equipment to perform adequately. |
| 01:26:36.84 | Danny Castro | The recommendation that staff has is that for areas where the street width to which a parcel is accessed from If it is less than 16 feet, and with. An off-site or on-strike parking space is required on the parcel upon which the ADU is located. |
| 01:26:56.63 | Joan Cox | So again, you just said an offsite, onsite, but you mean off street, onsite. |
| 01:27:00.99 | Danny Castro | COMMISSIONER BENNETT ON SITE. And these areas are defined as ADU required parking areas. I will show you a map in the next slide. An applicant for an ADU must provide the street with dimension to which the ADU parcel is accessed from to determine if the off street Parking is required. street width measurement of less than 16 feet, does not factor in. existing car parking that may be along the side it does not factor in Perhaps if there's additional curb space outside of the actual right of way, it is the right of way width that we measure this from. And this following slide, although all the street needs aren't here, I do have some of the list of the streets, In red are the streets that we have, this is approximate, but we've identified that are less than 16 feet in width throughout Sausalito. I am guesstimating this is about 35% of the city streets. And again, an applicant, the burden is on an applicant to indicate whether their street is greater than 16 feet. or otherwise. |
| 01:28:17.99 | Danny Castro | So I'm gonna go over some other parking limitations for the new state law. Replacement parking state law now requires that if a garage or covered Parking is not as lost due to the construction of an ADU. Any replacement parking for the primary dwelling unit may be located in any configuration, whether it be um, covered, uncovered, tandem vertical spaces which is mechanical lift spaces. They're allowing that. conversion of a garage. State law allows you to convert your garage to an ADU regardless of what the setbacks are. Any parking from the primary residence that is lost due to the garage conversion, again, can be replaced in any configuration so long as it's safe. the state. Our current ADU says that you must conform with setback requirements that apply to the main dwelling unit and that it does require unless you ask for a conditional use permit for setbacks that are less than the required. |
| 01:29:26.48 | Danny Castro | Construction above a garage, an ADU may be constructed above an existing or newly constructed garage. So the... If you have an existing space already above a garage, you can convert that to an ADU. If you're constructing a new ADU and a garage combination, You have to satisfy the setback requirements. If you're constructing a new ADU above an existing garage, then you're not required to provide more than five feet of a setback. |
| 01:30:05.43 | Danny Castro | An ADU may be constructed above an existing or newly constructed garage. I think I mentioned that. If you are building above a garage, state law does allow you to allow a height that is reasonable to accommodate a single store unit. What staff recommends is that it be no greater than 14 feet for a sloped roof, and that's to account for any kind of architectural style and no greater than 11 feet for a flat roof as measured from the floor of the ADU. In no instance though would it be greater than the height that's allowed. And I should mention that when you do build higher and you increase height, you also may be subject to a CUP because views are considered, views must be considered and that hasn't changed in our local ordinance, nor does it, it is carried over to this current. because views are considered, views must be considered, and that hasn't changed in our local ordinance, nor does it, it is carried over to this current ordinance. |
| 01:31:04.48 | Danny Castro | What we have noticed since after the planning commission meeting is that because of our topography in Sausalito we have situations where we have uphill lots and we have downhill lots and many residential properties have this characteristic where if you have an uphill lot you're likely to put an ADU above a garage. If you have a downhill lot, then you could still put it above a garage, but you also may be able to tuck it under. the garage and we think for fairness that we need to probably clarify that for a future when we come back and we may have some cleanup in the future but what I'm asking for this evening is that you approve this and then we may go back to the legislative committee or to the Planning Commission or both and make sure that those things are reviewed adequately And then ADUs within existing residents or accessory structure, state law says that We can't... It's not a subject to any additional fire sprinklers requirements and no parking is required Unit size, the state law minimum and maximum, is that an ADU that's attached is not to exceed 50% of the existing living area with a maximum allowable increase of 1,200 square feet detached ADU shall not exceed 1,200. Our current ordinance has a limit. Uh, No less than 275 and no greater than 700, no more than one bedroom. And the same thing for detached units. the same, no less than 275 and no greater than 700 square feet, no more than one bedroom. the HCD does note that a typical maximum ranges from 800 to 1200 square feet in their guidance memo. And so given HCD's opinion of 800, again, ours is 700, we are recommending that we allow detached units to be no less than 275 and no greater than 800. Still no more than one bedroom. The same for attached units. So we're at the lower end of HTD's recommended and suggested size. Interior conversion size, state law requires ministerial approval of any interior ADU. And here are the requirements for that. |
| 01:33:38.63 | Danny Castro | No privacy standards for interior conversion. State law requires a city to approve an application to repurpose an existing space in an interior accessory dwelling unit, whether it's in a primary residence or whether an accessory structure. You cannot use privacy and other design standards. Can't impose any conditions on that. Our current ordinance does have privacy standards that we take into account, such as where windows are placed, or where doors are placed, in relationship to neighbors. Current law, state law, does not allow cities to use that. So staff recommends that the City Council introduce and read by title only a zoning ordinance amendment to Sausalito Municipal Code section 1044 accessory dwelling unit regulations in order to bring the city's code into compliance with recent state law. and direct staff to return on December 12th for the second reading. and then also authorize a summary of the ordinance to be published five days in advance of the second reading and 15 days after its adoption. So this concludes my presentation, and I'm available to answer any questions. |
| 01:34:49.82 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Okay, questions for Danny. Who wants to kick off? |
| 01:35:03.16 | Joan Cox | I have a question. So. Yeah. Given that the new ordinance I'm gonna repeat a question from the planning commission chair. regarding housing stock. So, um, ADUs comprise part of Sausalito's low income housing stock, right? And so, and we identified a certain number that we would build to meet our RENA requirements, our requirements for the number of units that we identify as potential development. By this regulation for fire and life safety reasons, we are restricting, ADUs that can be built without parking in certain areas. And so I'm interested to know how we're doing with our Projected. construction of ADUs to meet our quota for low income housing. |
| 01:36:17.05 | Danny Castro | Sure. We did check our and I don't have the numbers in front of me but we did check the number of units that ADUs that have been constructed since the ADU program and ordinance took effect. We're on track. We're a little bit ahead of track actually. We're averaging We had a really high number in 20 I believe. And the numbers are about averaging two to three, in some cases four a year. I'm not sure. And so we're on track in terms of we do have to report to HCD annually. We're going to report again in April of this year. and You know, we're, I would be more concerned if we were below the numbers that we are. We have a number of years still before we reach the next housing element. So I think we're okay. |
| 01:37:06.94 | Joan Cox | And not every development that comes to the planning commission includes an ADU, even though there is room for an ADU with some of the proposed development projects. And so is staff doing anything to make sure that applicants are aware of the ADU option for their particular parcels? |
| 01:37:29.12 | Danny Castro | You know, when we meet with applicants, we encourage them. We let them know that, you know, there is the ability for an ADU, whether it be ministerial or whether it be something that's coupled with a planning commission level review. But we do because we're mindful that, you know, this is something that, we're counting on in terms of meeting our housing element requirements and that it would be much, we'll be in better shape when we'll have to revisit it again in about four more years. So, Yeah, and I, you know, I would continue to let staff know that, you know, those are We also just let applicants know what the benefits are of having an an ADU. |
| 01:38:08.04 | Joan Cox | And I know that we're required to make periodic reports to HCD regarding our compliance with our housing element. May we ask that you provide periodic reports to the City Council so that we know how we're doing, particularly given Governor Brown's signing of 15 housing bills this year. And so obviously an area of focus for state officials is housing. And so may we ask that you provide us with periodic updates on how we're doing. Absolutely. |
| 01:38:42.11 | Alicia Sarah | Those are my questions. |
| 01:38:44.86 | Joan Cox | Any other questions? Let me ask you, Danny. |
| 01:38:58.72 | Joan Cox | If you, I mean, we are, we have selected 16 feet or streets that are less than 16 feet. And we've basically said, if your street's less than 16 feet, we rightly need to be careful for allowing exemption. I'm making up words, okay. Exemption, that's probably not the right word. from the full demand of onsite parking because of the safety hazard. |
| 01:39:35.62 | Adam Kriwashi | I try. |
| 01:39:36.11 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 01:39:36.14 | Adam Kriwashi | Thank you. |
| 01:39:36.16 | Unknown | . |
| 01:39:36.36 | Adam Kriwashi | Thank you. |
| 01:39:43.91 | Joan Cox | But are we telling residents then that if your street's less than 16 feet, it's not safe. And what should we be asking the question, what other policies can we do, can we start thinking about? We've made a big enough deal about it that we're willing to basically find, you know, we think it's a legitimate working of the state laws because of the health and safety hazard, but that means there's a health and safety hazard. |
| 01:40:21.57 | Joan Cox | Well, can I throw in one comment, which is that we simply do not allow of right ADUs with no off-street parking. We do still, there is still a CUP process whereby an applicant can demonstrate that |
| 01:40:23.14 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 01:40:39.31 | Joan Cox | that there's adequate parking or they have the ability that it does not create an unsafe condition to build an ADU with on street parking. So I think with that proviso, perhaps we're not, you know, making such quite such a clear cut statement that this is unsafe. We're simply asking them to demonstrate that safety concerns have been addressed. |
| 01:40:46.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:41:09.14 | Danny Castro | Thank you. |
| 01:41:09.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:41:09.19 | Danny Castro | you I mean, yeah, that's correct. I mean, someone has, you know, we're asking applicants to be for For street widths that are less than, when they're located with a street width less than 16 feet, we're asking them to be a little creative, actually. because of the different options that you can include an ADU within your property, whether it's part of attached to your residence or detached or above a garage, I think the options are. or broader than they were before, And, um, And then they have that option to ask for a conditional use permit, as Vice Mayor Cox indicated. showing that perhaps in their situation, they can demonstrate that adequate parking is available. |
| 01:41:55.16 | Joan Cox | I mean we had a fire on Sausalito Boulevard several months ago where two cars were uh, damaged by the fire truck that needed to get past them and there was an adequate clearance to get to the fire. So. That would be a nice one. |
| 01:42:09.71 | Joan Cox | Only the point I'm trying to make is there's not adequate clearance, whether there's an ADU there or not. There's just not adequate clearance. That's the point I'm making, and that's of concern. |
| 01:42:14.80 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:42:19.07 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:42:19.26 | Joan Cox | It's sort of over and above. Now, I'm not saying that we've got any remedies for it, but I'm just pointing it out. That what we're saying is that streets on our hill sides that are less than 16 feet pose some danger. |
| 01:42:33.45 | Joe Burns | . Isn't the state saying a half mile to public transportation that they expect ADUs that don't have parking? No car. You don't have, you don't own a car. |
| 01:42:45.14 | Joan Cox | I think that might be an assumption, but I'm not sure that's borne out in all, I'm concerned that the state is looking at certain models that are different in their condition and constraint from Sausalito. So I think in many towns, Sacramento for example, if you're within a half a mile of transit, maybe you're there because that there's you don't need a car but and in San Francisco. You know, people have a car that they keep parked in a garage, except when they go out of town. But in Sausalito, we're only two miles stemmed to stern. As Danny pointed out, there's no residents. that's not within a half a mile. And I'm not sure legislators took that into account. And so I think it's important for us to be responsible for life safety issues. |
| 01:43:35.77 | Joe Burns | Yeah, we definitely, yeah. |
| 01:43:36.68 | Joan Cox | Yeah. |
| 01:43:39.41 | Joan Cox | Any other questions? OKAY. Mm-hmm. Danny, we may be coming back to you. Okay, we are going to open this up for public comment. So is there anybody who'd like to address the Council on this agenda item? |
| 01:44:00.05 | Joan Cox | Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:44:01.82 | Peter Romanowski | Peter. |
| 01:44:02.31 | Joan Cox | Yeah. |
| 01:44:02.53 | Peter Romanowski | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:44:06.58 | Peter Romanowski | Excuse me for not coming to the meetings more often. We've been so exhausted starting this new church, which has been going on a year and 10 months now. Anyways, some of you have probably read the front page, They signed me up for public housing the county did and second time they tried the first time I've never heard from them again. But this time it was more extensive so I'm hoping to move into an apartment after, oh, god, I've been out there since 84. And What was really tragic about losing my home my residence to a divorce was that our home was a homeless shelter in San Somo. And my wife and I single handedly, we, but we We took in all the homeless and our house was so big and our property so big. And we cured the homeless problems that one person could do it. We even took in the town drunk. And he died in our guest house, James Gronczynski, and nicest guy in the world. And, um, We had them watering our garden. But, you know, all it takes is one person can do so much. And tragically, one of the homeless people that I took in HE STARTED THE WORKING ON MY WIFE, YOU KNOW, But my wife and I are the best of friends and she's the treasurer of our 501 nonprofit organization called the New Covenant Evangelistic Association. So I'm just saying this to say that all it takes is a few people to know to cure the homeless problem, you know? there was not a single homeless person in San Somo. In fact, I think we had the first homeless, one of the first homeless shelters was our house. Anyways, I can go on and on, but God bless you for your time. |
| 01:46:06.80 | Joan Cox | Thank you, Peter, for those thoughts. Any other comments from members of the public? If not, I'll close public comment and Okay, we... do need to take action here and enact the first stage of this ordinance, I believe. So comments? Comments? |
| 01:46:30.71 | Joan Cox | Can I do you mind? Thank you. Okay, I move we introduce and read by title only a zoning ordinance amendment to Sausalito Municipal Code section 10.44.08 accessory dwelling unit regulations in order to bring the city's code into compliance with recent state law, government code section 658.52.2 and direct staff to return on December 12, 2017 for second reading and authorize a summary of the ordinance to be published five days in advance of the second reading and 15 days after its adoption. |
| 01:47:00.02 | Joe Burns | Second. |
| 01:47:01.91 | Joan Cox | Okay, voice just a, okay, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? That motion carries four zero. Thank you. |
| 01:47:05.49 | Joe Burns | Bye. |
| 01:47:11.97 | Joan Cox | Okay, item 5C, marijuana regulations, introduction of an ordinance amending our Salusalito Municipal Code. on that matter. And... Josh, I think you're going to give the presentation this evening. |
| 01:47:41.98 | Joshua Montemere | Good evening Mayor Withy and members of the council. Before you this evening, oh first of all, my name is Joshua Montemere and I am the business manager for the city of Sausalito. And this evening I will be providing you a presentation on marijuana regulations that we are proposing for the city of Sausalito. So some by way of background, the Planning Commission conducted a public hearing earlier this month on the proposed code amendments as listed here. The Planning Commission unanimously voted recommending that the City Council adopt marijuana regulations which would prohibit commercial marijuana activity, limit cultivation for personal use to six adult plants, prohibit outdoor cultivation, and prohibit recreational marijuana delivery, but allow medical marijuana delivery. In addition to adopting the proposed amendments, the city council is also being asked to adopt an urgency ordinance this evening which would take immediate effect of the regulations for the next 45 days. |
| 01:48:47.23 | Joshua Montemere | As such here is the recommended motion and the City Council is being recommended to introduce and read by title only an ordinance of the City Council deleting municipal code section 10.44.320 on medical marijuana dispensaries and adding a new chapter 10.47 titled Marijuana Regulation. Also to adopt an urgency ordinance pursuant to government code section 65858 for immediate effect on the regulations for the next 45 days. Also to direct staff to return on December 12th for a second reading to adopt the proposed ordinance amendment and lastly to authorize a summary of the ordinance to be published five days in advance of the second reading and 15 days after its adoption. Later in my presentation, I will go into more detail about the urgency ordinance, but I'll briefly tell you right now that we're asking council to consider adopting the proposed ordinance as an urgency measure to allow sufficient time for the ordinance to become in full force and effect. Four out of four vote will be required tonight in order to adopt the urgency ordinance, and if adopted, the ordinance will take effect immediately. |
| 01:49:59.49 | Joshua Montemere | And to give you some background on why we're here this evening in order to establish marijuana regulations, in 2015, the California legislature enacted the Medical Cannabis Regulation and Safety Act, or commonly known as MCRSA, which legalized medical marijuana use. And in 2016, California voters approved Proposition 64, also known as the Control, Regulate and Tax Adult Use of Marijuana Act or for short AUMA which legalizes recreational marijuana use. Therefore, we have two state regulations now which allow medical and recreational marijuana businesses and deliveries. And effective January 1st, 2018, the state of California will begin issuing commercial licenses to businesses for recreational marijuana use. However, the state will not issue licenses to businesses for recreational marijuana unless the city adopts their own ordinances. And if the city does not take action in general, the state would begin issuing licenses to commercial marijuana sale businesses in Sausalito without local review or input. |
| 01:51:10.80 | Joshua Montemere | So what is AUMA and why is it so important? As I previously mentioned, AUMA regulates recreational marijuana for individuals 21 years of age or older, and effective January 1st, recreational cannabis activities will begin. And AUMA is state law, and it does establish restrictions for smoking marijuana, processing marijuana for personal use, growing marijuana, and giving away marijuana, but AUMA does not establish explicit provisions for the sale and cultivation of marijuana. So allowed under AUMA, An adult may consume marijuana within their private residence. And an adult may consume marijuana at a licensed establishment. A UMA also allows an adult to possess up to 28.5 grams of marijuana and up to eight grams of concentrated marijuana such as hash. Also AUMA permits the cultivation of up to six adult marijuana plants within a private residence. |
| 01:52:15.43 | Joshua Montemere | So not allowed under AUMA is the smoking of marijuana while driving, smoking in any public place other than those licensed for onsite consumption, smoking anywhere that tobacco is already prohibited, and an adult is not allowed to possess marijuana on school grounds or areas where children are present. And AUMA restricts cultivation to areas that are not visible from a public place. |
| 01:52:43.43 | Joshua Montemere | So AUMA also regulates the deliveries for medical and recreational by those with a state license unless a city outright prohibits it. Therefore a local jurisdiction has the power to ban or regulate deliveries when there are borders and per the state businesses and professions code deliveries must be directly received by the employee of a licensed retailer. This means that the delivery man or woman must physically hand this product to their customer. And according to the U.S. Postal System, received by the employee of a licensed retailer. This means that the delivery man or woman must physically hand this product to their customer. And according to the U.S. Postal Service marijuana is actually non-mailable. |
| 01:53:18.92 | Joshua Montemere | So who regulates? AUMA and the enforcement is divided among three agencies listed here. The Bureau of Cannabis Control or BCC, the Department of Food and Agriculture and the Department of Public Health. At the local level however the city of Sausalito maintains the authority to ban or authorize any or all segments of commercial cannabis industries and the city also has the authority to regulate commercial cannabis businesses and personal cultivation which is why we're here this evening. |
| 01:53:56.43 | Joshua Montemere | So, initially under MCRSA, or the Medical Cannabis Regulation and the Safety Act, an ordinance amendment wasn't required by the City Council at that time because the commercial cultivation and sale of medical marijuana was already prohibited under the concepts of permissive zoning code. In a permissive zoning scheme, those uses not explicitly allowed are prohibited because medical marijuana cultivation and sale is not listed as a permitted or conditional use in the zoning code it is prohibited by implication now in contrast the city cannot rely on the implied prohibition under permissive zoning to ban cultivation and sale of recreational marijuana and this evening we will discuss the proposed amendments to address both medical and recreational marijuana. So briefly to go over the proposed amendments will in essence delete sections 10.44.320 medical marijuana dispensaries of the municipal code and then we'll add chapter 10.47 titled marijuana regulation. |
| 01:55:01.77 | Joshua Montemere | The draft code amendments were provided to the city council in their staff reports under attachment one and the code amendments were drafted based on the Sausalito legislative subcommittee's recommendations after having met on October 13th this year to review information regarding AUMA and discussing marijuana regulations. To summarize the proposed ordinance, the city would prohibit commercial marijuana activity including the sale and or cultivation of both medical and recreational marijuana. Limit cultivation for personal use of six adult plants. prohibit outdoor cultivation, prohibit delivery of recreational marijuana, and also allow the delivery of medical marijuana. |
| 01:55:46.14 | Joshua Montemere | So here's a table comparing commercial activity, personal cultivation, outdoor cultivation, and delivery in Marin County. I made a comparison here with the county and all the cities in Marin. I would like to note, however, that the adoption of marijuana regulations across Marin County moves rather rapidly, so this table might not be reflective of the very latest development of these cities. But like us, some jurisdictions are reviewing and amending and adopting regulations like us this evening and are doing so this month. As you can see here consistently across the board most marine jurisdictions are prohibiting storefronts and with the exception of the county where they are allowing up to a total of four licensed commercial dispensaries. Those dispensaries will be chosen based on application and point system. I got the information from the county today. I think they recently adopted either this week or last week. And those storefronts would only apply to the unincorporated areas of Marin. And in San Rafael, they're also considering a pilot licensing program for medical cannabis only. As for cultivation, it appears that most cities allow for personal indoor cultivation and most prohibit outdoor cultivation. And in the last column, we have delivery and it appears split on delivery. But most of them, most of the cities do allow medicinal delivery. Overall, Sausalito's proposed ordinance would be aligned with regulations considered by most of Marin County. |
| 01:57:20.38 | Joshua Montemere | So to go over why we need the interim urgency ordinance, in addition to the proposed zoning code amendments. We need to take immediate effect of the proposed regulations and the purpose of the interim urgency ordinance is to allow for the city's marijuana regulations to be in place and in full effect for the next 45 days per cent to government code section 65858. And should the council adopt the urgency ordinance this meeting staff will return to city council on December 12th for the second reading to adopt the actual permanent ordinance. So we are proposing this method of adoption basically so that the regulations are in place and in effect for the window between January 1st through January 11th when this permanent ordinance is not in full effect. And for the permanent ordinance to be in full effect requires 30 days. So if you do the math, December 12th to January 12th, that's 30 days right there. And we will not be covered between January 1st to 11th. Should the council consider adopting the urgency ordinance? Again a four out of four vote will be required this evening and a draft for the interim urgent ordinance has been provided to you in your staff reports under attachment to. |
| 01:58:34.84 | Joshua Montemere | So to summarize all of the requests for the City Council to take, we are asking that you review the proposed zoning code amendments, per an end to marijuana regulations, and to adopt an urgency ordinance tonight for immediate effect of these regulations. And once again, here are the recommended motions. And that concludes our presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions. And thank you very much. |
| 01:58:59.02 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Great presentation. OK, questions. Who wants a kickoff? |
| 01:59:08.59 | Jill Hoffman | Josh, can you tell us specifically, with regard to the county, what you learned about from the county today about their process for issuing four permits? And we're talking about unincorporated county. |
| 01:59:23.37 | Joshua Montemere | Sure. So throughout this year, they've been... |
| 01:59:23.44 | Jill Hoffman | Sure. |
| 01:59:27.57 | Joshua Montemere | drafting their ordinance and that was just the latest development. I got a brief synopsis of it from the program director today. And what they've told me was that the four licenses are just based on what the Board of Supervisors agreed upon. I think they based that upon just by outreach and research. |
| 01:59:48.70 | Jill Hoffman | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:59:48.75 | Joshua Montemere | So that's how they came to about it. |
| 01:59:50.91 | Jill Hoffman | Is there, have they already issued those licenses or they're gonna limit the licenses that they issue to four? |
| 01:59:57.73 | Joshua Montemere | They have not issued the licenses, and they are limiting it to four years. |
| 02:00:02.48 | Jill Hoffman | And do they have applications yet for the licenses? |
| 02:00:06.23 | Joshua Montemere | Yes, it is. So no, they do not. Because it was just recently passed, they haven't received any, when I say recent, within the last week. you |
| 02:00:12.88 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:00:12.93 | Joshua Montemere | Thank you. |
| 02:00:12.96 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 02:00:13.25 | Joshua Montemere | The applications are based on a point system. So I believe it's like a 20, 40, 60, |
| 02:00:13.27 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:00:19.21 | Joshua Montemere | I don't know if that adds up to 100, but it adds up to 100 and basically whoever gets the most points on that scale, they would escalate through these phases. Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3, Phase 4, and the final Phase 4 is when they are finally considered and go before the board of supervisors to approve their business. |
| 02:00:38.17 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, is that point system, is that published anywhere? Yeah, that's on the campus. |
| 02:00:43.68 | Joshua Montemere | That's on the county website. I'll be happy to provide the link to you after this meeting. |
| 02:00:47.03 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, I think that's interesting because, you know, the county, unincorporated county starts at gate, is it gate five road or gate six road? Here in Sausalito. And so, you know, that's a concern about that process. |
| 02:01:02.31 | Unknown | THE PROCESS. if I didn't. |
| 02:01:07.37 | Jill Hoffman | Can I ask a follow up then? Have they identified certain zones where they're gonna allow the permits? Or they're gonna allow the permitted facilities, I guess I should say? |
| 02:01:18.05 | Joshua Montemere | I'm sorry, can you rephrase that? |
| 02:01:19.35 | Jill Hoffman | Are there certain zones where they're going to allow the permitted facilities? |
| 02:01:21.97 | Joshua Montemere | Oh. No, it's across all zones. This regulation is across all the unincorporated areas. |
| 02:01:28.93 | Joe Burns | Thank you. Okay, I don't want to answer. So it applies to all the. Yeah, they've found only a certain amount of spaces that comply to zoning, location to school, location to different things. |
| 02:01:30.30 | Joshua Montemere | I don't want to answer. I don't want to answer. |
| 02:01:39.55 | Joe Burns | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:01:43.61 | Joan Cox | Any other questions? |
| 02:01:46.52 | Joan Cox | If I might. |
| 02:01:47.80 | Joan Cox | Please. |
| 02:01:48.24 | Joan Cox | I'M NOT GOING TO BE Do we have an option only to adopt the urgency ordinance tonight and postpone the adoption of the regular ordinance? Because we've gotten a lot of recent feedback from the mail. And so could we adopt just the urgency ordinance tonight? And if so, what would be the deadline of staff to come back to us with the proposed full ordinance? |
| 02:02:24.39 | Mary Wagner | So thank you Vice Mayor Cox. That is an option that the council has this evening. If you were to adopt the urgency measure, which for clarification includes the same provisions as the standalone or regular ordinance that takes longer to put into place, we would be required to come back to you within 45 days to either adopt something else or to extend that urgency period for those regulations to stay in effect. We would also be required to have the council issue a report on what's been done between now and the date that we come back to you. We could bring that to you as a consent item on December 12th, your meeting on December 12th so that it could be issued before your council meeting in January the 45 days would expire on January 12th so my understanding is there's a proposed meeting on January 9th so we would look to come back to you at that time likely with a report on what we've learned from other jurisdictions maybe some more updated information about what the county is doing, what other Marin County jurisdictions are doing. As Josh indicated, this is moving pretty quickly with all the jurisdictions in Marin right now. We'd be required to come back to you within that 45-day time period. In addition to more information, we'd likely be recommending that you extend the provisions for the statutorily allowed 10 months and 15 days to give additional time to study the issue. |
| 02:03:53.54 | Joan Cox | One of the concerns expressed on Nextdoor was that people were afraid to reach out because cannabis is still federally prohibited in certain ways and so is there a process by which the city could seek feedback anonymously or in some other fashion so that people could feel free to express their opinion without |
| 02:04:16.54 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:04:17.24 | Joan Cox | fear of recriminating. |
| 02:04:18.04 | Mary Wagner | nation. Yes, and I think one of the Planning Commission's recommendations was actually that more public outreach be done to get a sense of what the community wants on this issue. People can certainly submit anonymous communications to the City Council as part of an agenda packet. We could also use the City's other outreach tools that we've used in the past to solicit input including surveys or polls and the other tools that we've been developing. |
| 02:04:51.01 | Joan Cox | Thank you. And we successfully did an anonymous poll for ADUs some years ago I believe. We had a high success rate didn't we? Okay, thank you, those are my questions. |
| 02:05:04.26 | Joan Cox | Okay, I have a couple of questions. you Thank you. So whoever wants to answer, you know, I don't know, Josh, I mean, or whoever, Just for clarification, and I don't want to be accused of being a geek here. Why on earth, what's CO2 and butane got to do with it? The use of gas products for marijuana e.g. CO2 and butane for marijuana cultivation is prohibited. Is this because it's going to catch fire? CO2 isn't going to catch fire, but butane is. Is that the reason? This is a health and safety issue, or is there something I'm missing here? |
| 02:05:53.03 | Joshua Montemere | So we took that into consideration based on looking back at the past two to three years of municipalities across California. There was some reported fires related to the cultivation of marijuana. I don't know if they used CO2 or butane, but there was a part of fires in Sacramento, Elk Grove, and these are all related to medical marijuana cultivation in private residences. |
| 02:06:14.76 | Joan Cox | Okay, because CO2 puts fires out, butane causes them, different things. The other question I have is, Sorry, I'm moving around here to find the right. Okay, section 10.47.030, Prohibitions. So this is page five of six. on the attachment one, the draft ordinance. So I'm looking at the draft ordinance, okay? And it's... |
| 02:06:54.42 | Joan Cox | E, section E, deliveries no person and or entity may deliver or transport, da, da, da, da, da, except as follows. And one of the conditions is, and remember this ordinance is only focusing on the delivery of medical marijuana because as written this ordinance is prohibiting recreational delivery. That's correct. That's correct, okay. So for medical delivery, |
| 02:07:19.65 | Unknown | That's correct. |
| 02:07:24.74 | Joan Cox | Any person or entity delivering medical cannabis or medical cannabis products in accordance with this section 10, shall register with and receive a permit from the chief of police or designee. has any other Marin jurisdiction required of its medical delivery businesses that they receive a permit, I understand they have to receive a business license, but they actually have to receive something from the police department. Is any other Marin jurisdiction doing that? Thank you. The reason I'm asking the question is, you know, I want to understand are we putting unnecessary barriers to medical delivery that no other jurisdiction is doing? |
| 02:08:13.56 | Joshua Montemere | Mary with if I may answer real quickly through my research calling some of the Marin County cities none of them actually I haven't Heard of any permitting and I asked the county Marin a city of San Rafael Mill Valley specifically if they had any permitting They told me no, but chief of Parker might have more information |
| 02:08:34.00 | Joan Cox | Thanks. Hello, Chief. |
| 02:08:36.97 | Joshua Montemere | Thank you. |
| 02:08:36.98 | Unknown | Good evening, Mayor, members of Council. In anticipation of your question, I did ask my fellow chiefs today and The answer is no, with the exception of San Rafael. But they have not taken their. proposed regulations to their city council yet, but the chief of San Rafael believes that she would probably ask for that. But no one else has got that far or made a determination about what they're gonna do. So, It's not an absolute no, but in our case, I just wanted to clarify too that, for instance, I offered that as a way of sharing some of the workload with the rest of the city staff. It doesn't necessarily have to be the police department that does anything related to that, but oftentimes in, for instance, trying to even just issue a permit to a company not necessarily any drivers in particular but to a company is that there may be tools that we have that we could check that maybe another city department could not that's all so this is not necessarily a throwaway offer but it is just an offer for consideration if it is not something you're comfortable with and clearly that's something for the council to decide but our offer stands to help with any process that allows for companies that are interested in delivering medical marijuana to people in Sausalito to be cleared somehow I also feel that from my THE FAMILY IS THE FAMILY inquiries that the companies that want to do that are pretty strict in their own sense. They're not looking for trouble. They just want to provide service. And so I think most of them in general so far appear to have do their own vetting of problems. And so it's not necessarily a big big issue. So it's a comfort thing there. If it's not something that the council feels is necessarily fine, but if it's something you want us to take up later or have it in there as an option, it's really up to you. That answers your question about Marin. I know other agencies in California are having the police department involved, Again, you also have to compare to our size and You know, we're not. We're not in Los Angeles and that kind of level of regulation simply because of the sheer numbers. |
| 02:11:14.85 | Joan Cox | Yeah, sure. Has your department had much interaction with the delivery services that must be sort of delivering in Sausalito? No. There's really been no interaction with them? No. Okay. All right. |
| 02:11:25.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:25.09 | Fred Hilliard | MEN. |
| 02:11:25.16 | Unknown | as, |
| 02:11:28.96 | Unknown | you know. |
| 02:11:33.31 | Joan Cox | Is anybody from staff actually talk to any of these delivery services to figure out? Just no? Okay. My final question is... And I'm sorry, I'm really getting into the weeds here. In the, |
| 02:11:52.18 | Unknown | I got it. |
| 02:11:54.14 | Joan Cox | Oh yeah. |
| 02:11:54.76 | Unknown | Hell yeah. . . |
| 02:11:56.50 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:11:56.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:56.57 | Joan Cox | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:12:00.80 | Joan Cox | is over here. |
| 02:12:04.02 | Joan Cox | He's pretending he didn't intend that. |
| 02:12:06.23 | Joan Cox | The recitals to the ordinance page one of six. I think it's one of six. |
| 02:12:23.77 | Joan Cox | No, sorry, it's attachment one, page two of six, sorry. Um, Okay, so it's the recital that begins at the bottom of page one and goes on to page two, which deals with a justification for some of the things that we're doing in the ordinance. And I'm going to parse this sentence, these clauses, if I may, to leave out some of the examples. Whereas the City Council found on the basis of the experience of other municipalities that there is an increase in crime and other health and human safety issues, such as burglaries, robberies, sales of illicit drugs, odor, and fire associated with, da-dun, da-dun, da-dun, the delivery of recreational marijuana. Now, give me a break. |
| 02:13:31.93 | Joan Cox | I think you left out the commercial cultivation |
| 02:13:35.66 | Joan Cox | I did leave that out because they're separate issues. Commercial cultivation, A, commercial cultivation, B, and commercial activities related to marijuana, and C, the delivery of recreational marijuana. So I just left out A and B for clarity. |
| 02:13:52.63 | Joan Cox | I'm not sure perhaps it's drafting, but I think the way it's written there are no commas. cultivation and commercial activities and delivery. |
| 02:14:03.94 | Joan Cox | Okay, so and delivery. So you would agree that as written, the delivery of recreational marijuana, according to this recital, has been found by the experience of other municipalities that there's an increase in crime and other health and safety issues, such as burglaries, robberies, sales of illicit drugs. |
| 02:14:20.78 | Joan Cox | THE CITY. when coupled with the commercial cultivation and commercial activities related to marijuana. |
| 02:14:29.59 | Joan Cox | I don't agree with that reading. |
| 02:14:31.06 | Joan Cox | THAT. |
| 02:14:31.97 | Joan Cox | Well, what kind of municipalities? |
| 02:14:34.47 | Joe Burns | what municipalities what miss but what municipalities are experiencing this my question legal what's |
| 02:14:38.52 | Joan Cox | My question. |
| 02:14:39.51 | Unknown | What's the idea? |
| 02:14:40.03 | Joan Cox | the evidence for that. |
| 02:14:41.89 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 02:14:42.21 | Joan Cox | What is the evidence that the delivery of recreational marijuana causes all those problems? What is the evidence that that recital is based on? |
| 02:14:52.44 | Joshua Montemere | So Mayor Rithi, thank you for that. Absolutely you are correct. We don't have solid evidence to base that. My facts that I did gather from the jurisdictions of Elk Grove and Sacramento, those are based on medical marijuana deliveries, but not recreational marijuana delivery. So illicit robberies and all of that are based on those findings. |
| 02:15:10.86 | Joe Burns | Is there any difference between medical and recreational delivery? Since we have no recreational, we don't know. Absolutely. But in other states, is there a difference between recreational and medical delivery in application? |
| 02:15:17.14 | Joshua Montemere | Absolutely. |
| 02:15:24.20 | Joe Burns | Not in applying, but in how it's delivered. |
| 02:15:26.00 | Joan Cox | and how it's delivered. |
| 02:15:26.80 | Joshua Montemere | Thanks. Delivery. Outside of California, I'm not aware. But if you want to ask about Marin, I do not know of any of these occurrences happening in Marin. |
| 02:15:36.35 | Joe Burns | We do know based on the law that there's a difference in taxation. But we have not had any information if there's a difference in the delivery standard or safety or health or expense or anything like that. Is that correct? Could I follow? |
| 02:15:51.55 | Jill Hoffman | Could I follow up on that? Yeah. I think that because I was looking, that was one of my questions, actually, was I was looking at the League of California City, the League of California City's attachment, which was attachment four, and on page six and seven, there is a distinction between the regulations for the deliveries. And my question to you was, is that still accurate even after, know even after January first so on page six it says under the medical marijuana regulations safety act medical marijuana deliveries can only be made from a state licensed dispensary in a city county city county or city and county that does not explicitly prohibit it by local ordinance a delivery person must carry a copy of the dispensary state issued license the government ID and a copy of the delivery request the patient or paired caregiver requesting the delivery must also maintain a copy of the delivery request so those are the requirements under the the Medical Marijuana Regulation and Safety Act for delivery of medical marijuana. Now keep in mind that medical, this medical marijuana law was passed two years prior to the recreational, the Adult Use of Marijuana Act. And so then on the next page, Although you know this and this is from the League of California cities although the adult use of marijuana act does not does require a customer requesting delivery to maintain a copy of the delivery request, there is no express requirement that the delivery people carry or maintain any records. Moreover, unlike MMRSA, The adult use of marijuana act does not require that deliveries come from a dispensary. Instead it states that deliveries as defined in this division may only be made by a licensed retailer or micro business or licensed nonprofit. under section blah blah blah. Thus there's at least some question regarding whether deliveries made from non-retail locations may be made from non-retail locations by retail employees. So to me that looks like that the regulations are a little bit looser with regard to controls that you would normally have for medical marijuana deliveries on recreational deliveries, at least as the law exists when it comes into effect on January 1st. So I mean that is a distinction to your point, Joe, and I think that's an issue of concern, or at least for me. |
| 02:18:20.20 | Joshua Montemere | Thank you. Thank you. So. Councilmember Hoffman, if I may include that effective as of today, actually language on delivery is actually still evolving. I believe the Bureau of Cannabis Control submitted an emergency regulation to the Office of Area Legislation, something like that. I'm sorry if I botched that, but the OAL. And so that's, and the movement on that, we won't know until this coming Monday, December 4th, if they adopt those regulations. And there's new regulations based on delivery, which combines the MCRSA and AUMA, and everything that's been taken into consideration this whole year. So like I had said earlier, this is a rapidly evolving regulation. |
| 02:19:01.23 | Joan Cox | So it's really challenging to enunciate something tonight |
| 02:19:03.60 | Joshua Montemere | see. |
| 02:19:06.17 | Joan Cox | that will comport with regulations still being put in place by these various agencies. And yet, if we don't do something tonight, then we have no control, then we're out of compliance as of January 1, and that means that. What does that mean, Mary? you |
| 02:19:31.08 | Mary Wagner | It means the state could issue a license to a retail operation in Sausalito. |
| 02:19:34.28 | Joan Cox | Yes. |
| 02:19:39.67 | Joe Burns | Getting back to the second part of my question, Um, On the taxation, can we charge a business, I proposed earlier, can we charge a business license fee to a medical only dispenser delivery? |
| 02:19:53.49 | Joshua Montemere | Here comes Melanie Purcell, Administrative Services Director. |
| 02:19:54.72 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:19:54.77 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 02:19:54.79 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:19:54.80 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 02:19:54.84 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:19:54.87 | Melanie Purcell | Thank you. |
| 02:19:59.46 | Melanie Purcell | The regulations for the business tax as it stands today would be on delivery service. It's a taxation under the business license ordinance on vehicles. So the actual licensing would be just for the use of the vehicles to make the deliveries within the city limits. |
| 02:20:22.92 | Melanie Purcell | That is on the books now. So if we were to, you can obviously amend and do other clarifications within the business license ordinance, but that is on the books today. |
| 02:20:37.19 | Joan Cox | So what do we do with Amazon deliver it? |
| 02:20:41.82 | Melanie Purcell | That's an interesting question, because that would actually be a tax, vehicle tax on UPS or FedEx. And that's not something that we have aggressively. |
| 02:20:54.88 | Joan Cox | Amazon are using their own vans now. |
| 02:20:56.89 | Melanie Purcell | We can also, yes, it would also include their new fans. |
| 02:21:02.05 | Joan Cox | Okay, well look, do we have any more immediate questions? Should we take public comment? I still don't think that anybody's really understood what I was trying to say about this recital I'll come back to it but during the comment period but first of all let's Let's take public comment and Unless anybody has any questions right now? No? Okay. Please feel free to address the council. You have three minutes. If you could please fill in a green speaker card, that would be great. I have one at the moment, but I see more arriving. So let me begin with Liz Hudson, which is the first card I have here. |
| 02:21:55.83 | Liz Hudson | Hello, thank you, council members. Of course I had to be the first one today. After listening to the proposal, and having plenty of different thoughts on medical marijuana and now going to be recreational marijuana in the new year. I would draw attention to the request number four on the urgency request. with the prohibition of the, when we're looking at the medical versus recreational delivery. I'm concerned that that would place undue burden on people receiving marijuana and also the delivery companies. If you're placing that kind of burden on a delivery service, they're more likely inclined to not deliver to an area to protect their business as it is as a whole. which then would leave people that use it for medicinal reasons. Um, out of luck. And we're talking about people that use it for insomnia, people use it for cancer, a wide array, which would put a large disservice to our population here in Sausalito. So I think just on that basis for the urgency and looking at request number four, it shouldn't be voted for tonight. |
| 02:23:23.23 | Joan Cox | Yeah. Can I ask for clarification? I don't understand what you're saying. We're on the slideshow. Let me ask my question. |
| 02:23:25.42 | Liz Hudson | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:23:25.79 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE On the side. |
| 02:23:28.24 | Liz Hudson | I'm not sure. |
| 02:23:28.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:28.49 | Liz Hudson | Wait. |
| 02:23:28.96 | Unknown | Let me ask my question. |
| 02:23:30.89 | Joan Cox | As I understand it, we're seeking to pass an urgency ordinance tonight that would immediately allow the delivery of medical marijuana. |
| 02:23:41.00 | Liz Hudson | but not recreational, which would happen in the new year. And if places are going to, like, there's an app called Weedmaps, which will help provide delivery service to you. If those delivery services have to navigate which counties allow for medicinal versus recreational, they might be more inclined just to not deliver to that area because they might get fined. |
| 02:24:13.06 | Liz Hudson | So that's just my concern based on the presentation today. I understand, thank you. |
| 02:24:13.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:24:13.78 | Joan Cox | Okay. |
| 02:24:15.91 | Joan Cox | I am. |
| 02:24:17.11 | Joan Cox | Thank you very much. Nathan Scripps. |
| 02:24:26.74 | Unknown | Thanks everybody. I'll keep it brief. Nowhere in the conversation do we talk about the tax revenues that would benefit the county and city of Sausalito for allowing more distribution of marijuana either through retail or through delivery in both cases. Also when we look at the comparable cities I don't believe that Sacramento is ever a good reference point for our city and town and our population. And if you do look at the longer term effects of allowing both medicinal and recreational marijuana in places like Colorado, it actually had a decline in common crimes and it had a decline in opioid overdoses so I think those are things that people know and I think just to second the point that if I were running a business that is delivery the idea that I would carry both medicinal and recreational marijuana in the same vehicle means that I would never let that vehicle near this district so that would present a very big problem and if the ordinance does pass the delivery services that we do have today, if they have any chance of delivering recreational, they would probably change their routes or have to significantly alter their pricing structures to offset the additional overhead. So just pointing out that the revenue side of this is something that I hope we never ignore and I hope is included in every consideration that we have. |
| 02:25:44.03 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Lisita Fernandez. |
| 02:25:54.80 | Unknown | covered by the first two people. The tax revenues and also the issue of the medical and recreational marijuana And now I know why my medical marijuana no longer is delivered to my house anymore. I have to drive all the way to Oakland to get it. which is another issue, the environmental impact of having to drive somewhere else. Of course, delivery would make that happen too, so that's not really an issue. |
| 02:26:21.22 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Frank Schinema. |
| 02:26:30.52 | Frank Schinema | Thank you, Mayor Withey, Vice Mayor Cox, and council members. Excuse me. Most of our careers are spent just trying to maintain our status quo. It's not often that we have a chance to make a real difference and improve the lives of others. I believe that each of you have the rare opportunity at hand today. to make that difference with the documented 80% support of your community. As council member Burns has pointed out, no one in Sausalito voted to have a dispensary or a commercial grower in the city. However, eight out of 10 of our neighbors who voted in favor of Prop 64 surely wanted more than the continuation of their already existing marijuana delivery. with its annual sham medical examination and closed market pricing. Therefore, I'd urge you to join. apparently according to the chart, I'm not sure. San Rafael, as well as Larkspur, and I believe Corte Madera. in allowing delivery of both medical and recreational marijuana. Thank you. |
| 02:27:33.47 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Peter Romanowski. |
| 02:27:40.03 | Peter Romanowski | I forgot to mention after our home became virtually the only homeless shelter in Marin County, except for the other churches that had disciple houses, so to speak, they put up a statue of me in San Somo, a lifetime statue of Indiana Jones, but it's my face on it. Next time, that was my reward from the God, it's not Harrison Ford's face. I WAS AN EARLY MARIJUANA abuser as a teenager here in Sausalito back in the 60s. We were all caught up in that, you know. And I overdid it with marijuana and drugs. And I came to the conclusion, I asked God, I made a deal with God and I said, If you give me something better, I'll quit marijuana. It's the last thing I gave up. And anyways, I was born again three days later. It was my last idol. And I quit for 36 years. And now that I'm older and have arthritis, and stuff like that. Arthritis in my back. Marijuana is. That's a miracle drug. I mean, it's the most ubiquitous non-addictive miracle drug in the world. and I have been I had to get a card, a medical marijuana card, from the oldest dispensary in America. In fact, the first dispensary in America was founded in Fairfax. And it was shut down temporarily, but it's back open again. THE PROBLEM IS, You have to register with the county of Marin. to get a medical marijuana card. So it's public knowledge. about recreational use, nobody's going to know. You know, if you don't want somebody to know, But, um, And I'm just throwing that out. One of the problems of maybe restricting people coming that don't have a medical marijuana card. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M But I'm just. I just love the drug. I've never used any drugs in my whole life since I was born again in 68. Never accept antibiotics, you know, never been on any medication. 36 years just, you know, keeping myself healthy. And now that I'm old, It is a blessing. It is a real blessing. But I prefer brownies. I prefer edibles. I don't like to smoke marijuana. And it's not good for your lungs, except just occasionally, like a cigar maybe. But that's just my personal opinion, you know. But there's a lot of poor people here and homeless people that have no place to smoke it. And I live on a boat. I cannot. not smoking on shore. Because there is no club to smoke it in. THANK YOU. |
| 02:30:42.84 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Is there anybody else who'd like to say anything on this matter? Okay, if not, I'm closing public comment. Peter's remarks has actually provoked a question because I noticed on the Um... PowerPoint presentation in which you were talking about the adult use law, AMU, whatever it was. that you refer to consumption only in the context of smoking. I assume the law applies to edibles and all the various ways that you can consume this, right? |
| 02:31:24.11 | Joshua Montemere | That's correct. |
| 02:31:24.64 | Joan Cox | OK, all right. Just wanted to clarify that. OK. Okay, let's bring it back up here. Can I make a suggestion? I think one of the, before we delve into any details here, I think we have to make a decision at some point whether we're going to, because, everything's moving around so quickly. Should we just put the urgency ordinance in place and then take this more slowly? Because I think if we did that, then we can one, protect those 10 days or so in January, but also gives ourselves a bit more time to think this through, and I think Maybe then if staff came back after 45 days, we probably recommend another extension, I'm guessing, extension of the moratorium through the year at some point until we'd done all of our homework and saw what the other jurisdictions are doing and get a bit of feel. Also, the state is issuing more guidelines and whatever. Which avenue do we want to take? I think if we could decide that, then we could. |
| 02:32:34.60 | Joan Cox | I endorse that approach. Thank you. |
| 02:32:38.97 | Joe Burns | I agree. The emergency ordinance would stipulate the regulation though that we come up with tonight, correct? Yeah. Okay. |
| 02:32:46.92 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:32:46.94 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:32:47.04 | Joan Cox | Yeah. |
| 02:32:47.69 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:32:47.83 | Joan Cox | In fact, one of the, I want to clarify, one of the reasons why I was against the, urgency ordinance and not and not moving ahead was that and moving ahead, Why I was worried that we should move ahead with the actual ordinance was that I thought what was being proposed in the urgency ordinance did not include medical delivery, but that's not the case. So I think considering, look, medical delivery of marijuana is occurring in our town now as we speak. In fact, there's probably someone sitting outside somebody's door waiting to deliver a product right now. |
| 02:33:28.43 | Joan Cox | So... |
| 02:33:29.31 | Joan Cox | Probably, I'm guessing. |
| 02:33:31.40 | Joan Cox | One thing. One thing we have to know is that |
| 02:33:33.26 | Joan Cox | We have to. UNLESS THEY STILL AT 9. |
| 02:33:36.02 | Joan Cox | In order to pass the urgency ordinance, it has to pass 4-0. So we all have to align on the contents of the urgency ordinance. |
| 02:33:39.62 | Joan Cox | I'm not. |
| 02:33:44.82 | Joan Cox | understood, so I want to get back to my recital. because I'm having real trouble Remember, these recitals aren't just a bunch of nonsense you put before you get onto the real stuff, right? Right, lawyers, everybody agree? They actually mean something, right. And so not only do they mean something, you're then asking me and each of you, to agree that, page two of six, now therefore the City Council hereby ordains as follows, da da da da da, the above recitals are incorporated herein and are each relied upon independently by the City Council for its adoption of this ordinance. And I cannot rely on that ordinance I quoted, it's wrong. |
| 02:34:33.28 | Joan Cox | Well, except that. |
| 02:34:33.47 | Joan Cox | It's plainly wrong. |
| 02:34:34.78 | Joan Cox | It's wrong because it says recreational. What Joshua is saying to us is that if we changed the word recreational to medical, it would be correct. |
| 02:34:43.68 | Joan Cox | I think delivery needs to come out of that recycle period. |
| 02:34:43.75 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:34:47.32 | Joan Cox | There is no evidence. In fact, there's contra evidence. There is no evidence that the delivery of Medical marijuana in any jurisdiction to date has caused a significant crime or health problem. |
| 02:35:02.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:35:02.46 | Joan Cox | So- |
| 02:35:02.68 | Joan Cox | That is documented in Colorado and in Washington state. |
| 02:35:06.59 | Joan Cox | I thought Joshua had said from the dais that, from the podium that it was the delivery of medical marijuana that did result in these issues. He's shaking his head yes. |
| 02:35:19.37 | Joan Cox | I, then where's the evidence? |
| 02:35:20.62 | Joan Cox | Sure. |
| 02:35:20.63 | Mary Wagner | Where's the evidence? I'm going to be... THE FAMILY. |
| 02:35:22.35 | Joan Cox | Where's the evidence? |
| 02:35:22.37 | Mary Wagner | Where's the evidence? Mr. Mayor, if I may, to Vice Mayor Cox's point, because there isn't any delivery allowed of recreational marijuana right now so the only evidence we have is based on medical marijuana delivery. And what Josh found was from other jurisdictions, San Bernardino, Long Beach, San Francisco, Monterey, Arcadia, Elk Grove, where there were fires, robberies, etc, etc. So we can put that into the record for you if that would be helpful. |
| 02:35:50.54 | Joan Cox | I can't. I can understand fires if you're growing it. I can understand robberies if you're storing it. I can understand, you know, I'm struggling to see how you cause a fire by delivering a product IN A LITTLE CONTAINER TO A. |
| 02:36:05.67 | Joan Cox | It's fine with me to remove the last clause and the delivery and simply say related to marijuana. Thank you. |
| 02:36:16.15 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:36:16.17 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:36:16.20 | Joan Cox | THE END OF THE |
| 02:36:16.41 | Joan Cox | Thank you. That's fine by me. Is that fine with everybody else? |
| 02:36:17.69 | Joan Cox | Is that fine with everybody else? |
| 02:36:19.97 | Joan Cox | Okay. |
| 02:36:20.45 | Joan Cox | Okay. Then the other thing I think we've got to ask is... |
| 02:36:29.05 | Joan Cox | Do, how is the basically obtaining a permit from the police department, is that going to shut down? |
| 02:36:35.31 | Adam Kriwashi | Thank you. |
| 02:36:35.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:36:35.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:36:35.54 | Adam Kriwashi | you |
| 02:36:37.90 | Joan Cox | delivery of medical marijuana in Sol Soledo. That's the issue that I think we need to ask. Because if it does, we've done actual harm here. |
| 02:36:48.49 | Jill Hoffman | Well, Thank you. They have to be permitted anyway. So the fact that we might, I mean I'm not advocating, I'm just expressing an opinion, but. THE they have to have, for medical marijuana delivery, they have to have permits anyway. And from whatever jurisdiction they're they're delivering from and there are controls on it so. you know, I wouldn't want to speculate from the dais what might happen in the future if we require a permit. I like the reason I like the permit is because I like to have control of who's you know bringing that type of business into Sausalito. And if we find out that hey, this person used to deliver medical marijuana and they're not now because they have to come in and get a permit, my sense is that these people aren't going to be dissuaded by having to come to the police department and getting a permit. But on the other hand, they're already permitted anyway. Is that enough for us? I don't know. I'm willing to discuss that. |
| 02:37:49.40 | Joe Burns | Look, just a little bit. |
| 02:37:49.93 | Joan Cox | vehicle that's permitted. |
| 02:37:50.89 | Joe Burns | you |
| 02:37:50.94 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:37:50.96 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:37:50.97 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Right, it's just the vehicle that's permitted. |
| 02:37:55.29 | Jill Hoffman | What's that? Where's that in the recital? |
| 02:38:01.47 | Mary Wagner | I'm sorry. |
| 02:38:01.94 | Joan Cox | It's the... |
| 02:38:02.90 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:38:02.95 | Mary Wagner | It's the vehicle that's taxed. It's the business license tax that applies to the vehicle. I believe the requirement would be that the delivery company register and receive a permit. Some of the information that we've seen is that individual drivers aren't required to be permitted in other jurisdictions, but the entity that's coming into town is. |
| 02:38:03.07 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:38:03.12 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 02:38:03.19 | Joan Cox | Okay. |
| 02:38:04.22 | Jill Hoffman | A vehicle that's taxed. I hope I'll get it. |
| 02:38:25.25 | Jill Hoffman | Can I ask a question from the chief and get some input from him? Can I ask you? I'm not sure. What's from the police perspective on this, is this something that you would advocate for or not advocate for? Are you neutral on it? How do you feel as a chief of police on this issue? |
| 02:38:48.58 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:38:48.62 | Unknown | you |
| 02:38:48.77 | Jill Hoffman | Way to put him on the spot. Oh, sorry, well, he sort of spoke to it before. |
| 02:38:48.79 | Unknown | Way to put him on the spot. Okay. |
| 02:38:52.33 | Joan Cox | The issue being whether to receive, whether we should insist that the |
| 02:38:53.80 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 02:38:59.55 | Joan Cox | person or entity delivering medical cannabis should register with and receive a permit from the chief of police or designee. |
| 02:39:07.69 | Unknown | Right, and I'll just repeat my feeling about that. That's just an offer to help with the workload. It's not indicative of that it needs to be done by the chief of police or the police department at all. It does seem that there would be some business license or permit to get from the city, like any other business. |
| 02:39:24.70 | Jill Hoffman | But it's not a crime. |
| 02:39:24.73 | Unknown | THE CITY. |
| 02:39:25.91 | Jill Hoffman | concern of yours or none it is not |
| 02:39:27.18 | Unknown | It is not. |
| 02:39:27.87 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, gotcha, that was my question. So could we say, |
| 02:39:30.94 | Joan Cox | THE CITY IS A CITY. |
| 02:39:31.02 | Joan Cox | THE CITY OF SOSCALITO. |
| 02:39:32.00 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:39:33.44 | Joan Cox | And then you guys figure out |
| 02:39:34.01 | Joan Cox | Let staff figure out who's going to administer the permit. |
| 02:39:34.97 | Joe Burns | to administer. |
| 02:39:39.26 | Joe Burns | And to that point, I want to find a way to get our tax revenue on recreational. AND, AND, |
| 02:39:45.35 | Joan Cox | Well and getting a permit you know is one step in the right direction. |
| 02:39:50.50 | Jill Hoffman | that's a, |
| 02:39:51.04 | Joan Cox | I THINK. |
| 02:39:51.39 | Jill Hoffman | that's a discussion as we move forward. I think it is too. I don't think that's a discussion for the emergency ordinance, yeah. I agree. |
| 02:39:53.28 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:39:53.33 | Unknown | . |
| 02:39:53.42 | Joan Cox | Bye. |
| 02:39:53.57 | Unknown | It is too. |
| 02:39:54.01 | Joan Cox | I don't think that's a discussion for the Americans. I agree it's not. |
| 02:39:57.22 | Jill Hoffman | of the urgency. |
| 02:39:58.02 | Joan Cox | ordinance. |
| 02:39:58.55 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:39:58.58 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:39:58.85 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 02:39:59.54 | Joan Cox | So I would say, so this is on page six, we would revise the top clause three to say, shall register with and receive a permit from the city of Sausalito. |
| 02:39:59.56 | Jill Hoffman | So I would say- |
| 02:40:13.85 | Adam Politzer | This morning. |
| 02:40:16.47 | Joan Cox | And again, this is an urgency ordinance that's going to come back to us in December. So I would like, when it comes back to us, January, to hear an update. |
| 02:40:16.49 | Adam Politzer | AND AGAIN, I WANT TO |
| 02:40:27.93 | Joan Cox | And I want to hear from residents whether they believe their deliveries have been restricted as a result of any of the provisions that we're enacting in our preliminary effort at this. |
| 02:40:40.58 | Joe Burns | So didn't we start that we're having a hard time getting residents to communicate based on fear? I don't know if we're gonna get a lot of feedback in the next 45 days on their delivery processes. |
| 02:40:40.62 | Joan Cox | So we're going to have a |
| 02:40:49.14 | Joan Cox | So I'm asking staff to make available through the website or through the currents a vehicle for residents to communicate in which they don't have to identify themselves by name. |
| 02:41:01.73 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, that should be fairly easy. |
| 02:41:06.23 | Joan Cox | So if we were going to move ahead, I think we know what we're going to do now with an urgency ordinance. And we're not going to move forward tonight with the first reading of the |
| 02:41:17.67 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:41:17.71 | Joan Cox | the |
| 02:41:17.93 | Joan Cox | OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE |
| 02:41:18.23 | Joan Cox | Full ordinance. |
| 02:41:18.33 | Joan Cox | THE END OF THE |
| 02:41:20.39 | Joan Cox | And so Mary, does this need, does an urgency ordinance need two readings? So it's not coming back in December, right? |
| 02:41:26.84 | Mary Wagner | No, it does not need two readings, so it goes into effect immediately. And then what we will need to do is bring you a report in December about where we are |
| 02:41:30.55 | Joan Cox | That's the point of it, right? Right. |
| 02:41:31.85 | Unknown | . |
| 02:41:35.51 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:41:35.76 | Mary Wagner | in looking and further looking into this issue. That has to be issued before we come back to you for any extension of these regulations, which we would do on January 9th. with an additional report on where we've been and a public outreach update. If we have some of that information for you that we can put on consent about what we're doing for public outreach, we'll include that in your December 12th report as well. |
| 02:42:01.03 | Joan Cox | And this went to the Planning Commission who also recommended further public outreach. And I want to thank Mr. Shinnaman. He's forwarded to us a number of comments on Nextdoor, which is helpful as well. |
| 02:42:12.65 | Unknown | on next week. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:42:19.93 | Joan Cox | Okay, I guess we need then a motion to get all this done. |
| 02:42:25.02 | Joe Burns | you |
| 02:42:25.07 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:42:25.58 | Joe Burns | Formalized question and so the emergency ordinance will allow medical delivery. Yes, but still differentiate between the |
| 02:42:29.93 | Joan Cox | Yes. |
| 02:42:34.08 | Joe Burns | So we're putting out there that there is a difference. We believe there's a difference between recreational and medical delivery. |
| 02:42:41.41 | Joan Cox | Well we are on the urgency ordinance as I understand it, and help me out, we are not allowing, we specifically prohibited at this stage under the urgency ordinance the delivery for recreational use. So I'll start that right? |
| 02:42:57.31 | Joan Cox | Yes, but we want to continue the delivery of medical, which people are already allowed to do. |
| 02:43:04.16 | Joe Burns | Well, they're allowed to, but we haven't, it's not legal. |
| 02:43:06.26 | Joan Cox | It's not delivered. but they're allowed to use it already with their car, |
| 02:43:11.14 | Joe Burns | recreational as well. |
| 02:43:12.07 | Joan Cox | Yeah. No. I don't know. |
| 02:43:15.88 | Joe Burns | You can't use recreational marijuana? No. |
| 02:43:19.01 | Joan Cox | Good God, Joe. |
| 02:43:20.58 | Joe Burns | I know you can't buy it or sell it, but you can be gifted. |
| 02:43:21.77 | Joan Cox | or sell it. . No, but you can be It's an infraction. You may not, and you may not have |
| 02:43:29.10 | Joe Burns | It's not that I'm violating the law. |
| 02:43:30.19 | Joan Cox | Don't say that. I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO |
| 02:43:32.84 | Joe Burns | I'm not violating the law, trust me. |
| 02:43:34.45 | Joan Cox | And ignorance is not a defense. |
| 02:43:36.07 | Joe Burns | I thought that you happened after, so you could be gifted, you couldn't sell your medical, you could be gifted and you. No. Well, good, again, I'm not breaking in a lot of stuff. |
| 02:43:43.10 | Jill Hoffman | No. Thank you. But back to... Thank you. Back to the emergency ordinance. Urgency ordinance. Yeah, urgency ordinance. But it will be an interesting metric by the time we revisit this in January to see if there's any evidence that because we're only allowing medical marijuana that recreational deliveries or delivery companies as has been expressed at the concern actually has happened. I'm very interested. |
| 02:43:52.66 | Joan Cox | urgency ordinance. Yeah. |
| 02:44:13.02 | Joan Cox | I'm interested to find out that information. And I'm also very interested to find out |
| 02:44:13.92 | Jill Hoffman | that information. |
| 02:44:17.41 | Joan Cox | to sort out what other regulations the state is going to enact to try to assimilate the disparity between the AULA and the MCRSA. And so I'd rather leave it to the legislators to sort that out and then adopt an ordinance consistent with |
| 02:44:38.13 | Joan Cox | I mean, this is going to be moving around for some months, if not a year, right? I mean, Senator McGuire was sort of pretty much worried about Prop 64 for this very reason. |
| 02:44:38.18 | Joan Cox | THE FAMILY. Right. |
| 02:44:51.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:51.14 | Joan Cox | Right. |
| 02:44:52.00 | Joan Cox | the actual processes of regulating, taxing, whatever, wouldn't be ready, and guess what, they're not ready. |
| 02:44:58.50 | Joan Cox | So if we adopt this urgency ordinance, Mary, do you still want to authorize a summary of the ordinance to be published in five days so people understand? |
| 02:45:06.42 | Unknown | there's no. |
| 02:45:08.84 | Joan Cox | Thank you. But don't you think we should publish something so that people know what the law is and can have a vehicle for feedback? And, and. |
| 02:45:16.98 | Mary Wagner | Yes, and I think that there are better vehicles than publishing a legal notice in the paper. |
| 02:45:23.59 | Joe Burns | Can I just, because this is what I have read many times, and this is just another source. On November 9th, it became legal for any adult, 21 years or older, to possess transport, obtain or give away to other adults, 21 or older, no more than one ounce of marijuana. Cultivate up to six plants. Retail sales begins January 1st of 2018. |
| 02:45:41.92 | Joan Cox | Yeah, it becomes effective. It was passed in November, but it's not effective till January 1, 2018. |
| 02:45:50.61 | Joan Cox | On January 1, 2018, There's a whole bunch of businesses are scrambling around from then onwards to get licensed, to get licensed by various jurisdictions to do things. Some are going to get licensed to grow the damn stuff. Some are going to get licensed to deliver it. Some are going to get licensed to open storefronts and sell it out of their storefronts. Or all of that. Or all of the above, right? Right. The point is that. |
| 02:46:14.88 | Unknown | GET THAT. |
| 02:46:22.37 | Joan Cox | I THINK THAT'S A GREAT In a sense, Our ordinance has been silent about the delivery of medical marijuana. It's been completely silent. So the medical marijuana delivery services have been operating in the town because there's no ordinance to say otherwise. That's right, any that might be licensed or got approval out of Oakland or out of somewhere Santa Clara County or wherever it was, right, are now delivering to Sausalito, let's say, I mean I don't know, but I'm guessing they are, and there's local ones as well, that are apparently delivering to Sausalito, And the one question is, by our actions here, are we harming that? |
| 02:47:11.26 | Joan Cox | Well what I'm hearing is that from one of the residents is that they've stopped delivering to Sausalito that and so I'm hoping that with this urgency ordinance we are clearly saying yes we want to authorize the delivery of medical marijuana in Sausalito. |
| 02:47:13.81 | Joan Cox | I'm not sure. |
| 02:47:31.94 | Joan Cox | And we want to carefully explore how we will deal with recreational marijuana. |
| 02:47:38.27 | Joan Cox | I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's right. That's where we're heading. Okay. SO, WE'RE GOING TO BE |
| 02:47:50.69 | Joan Cox | Did somebody make a motion? Sorry, I've lost my track. |
| 02:47:52.31 | Joan Cox | I've lost my track. I move we adopt an urgency ordinance pursuant to government code section 65858 for immediate effect of the proposed regulations for the next 45 days with the two revisions that we've enunciated that the phrase in the Fifth to the last recital that the phrase and the delivery of recreational marijuana be removed. and in of the resolution and that in the ordinance itself that paragraph 10.47.030 prohibitions section E3 that the words chief of police or designee be replaced with the words city of Sausalito and that we direct staff to identify a path for seeking additional feedback from residents regarding the delivery of recreational marijuana and that staff work to incorporate into the next iteration of the ordinance the updated regulations enacted by the state of California. |
| 02:49:11.27 | Joan Cox | You okay with that? Can you repeat that? |
| 02:49:14.97 | Joan Cox | All right, you watch me. |
| 02:49:16.96 | Joan Cox | The trouble is she can't. |
| 02:49:18.71 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:49:18.82 | Joan Cox | Bye. |
| 02:49:18.85 | Joan Cox | I'm sorry. |
| 02:49:18.98 | Joan Cox | I'm not. |
| 02:49:19.22 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:49:19.32 | Joan Cox | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:49:19.59 | Joan Cox | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:49:19.76 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:49:19.79 | Joan Cox | I'm not. |
| 02:49:19.86 | Joan Cox | Bye. |
| 02:49:19.88 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:49:19.90 | Joan Cox | I don't care what I asked for. All right. |
| 02:49:22.24 | Jill Hoffman | Second. |
| 02:49:24.50 | Joan Cox | Okay, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that does pass four zero. Okay, thank you. |
| 02:49:26.19 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 02:49:30.24 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:49:34.00 | Joan Cox | ALL RIGHT. |
| 02:49:39.22 | Joan Cox | Thank you for all those who came to this hearing. |
| 02:49:49.22 | Joan Cox | close. Okay, item number seven, which are various reports, city manager and council member reports. Is there any member of the public who'd like to comment on any matter in item seven? the case. |
| 02:50:07.30 | Joan Cox | THEIR OWN Is this an open? you |
| 02:50:10.91 | Joan Cox | Yes. |
| 02:50:11.18 | Joan Cox | No, it's only relating to... |
| 02:50:13.19 | Joan Cox | To the items on number seven. |
| 02:50:14.00 | Joan Cox | ITEMS. |
| 02:50:19.41 | Joan Cox | Yes. Okay, please, please. |
| 02:50:22.37 | Alicia Sarah | Thank you. This is my first meeting, so I think I may have missed my window. |
| 02:50:26.53 | Joan Cox | No, go ahead. That's fine. |
| 02:50:27.02 | Alicia Sarah | Go ahead. That's fine. Go. Thank you, Mayor and Councilmembers. Alicia Sarah, 45 Vilbert Avenue here in Sausalito, resident for five years now. I wanted to follow up on the One of the things that piqued my interest for attendance was the congestion management services regarding bicycles. I appreciated what I heard with regards to the RFP around congestion and revenue with regards to parking. Um, Apologies for my delinquency and absence of reading the 16 page RFP I did not. But I had a... notion in my mind that this would potentially be more around congestion as it relates to safety more so than it relates to parking or revenue. Some examples being riding on sidewalks or riding without lights or visibility, riding without helmets, riding while texting or taking videos in an unsafe manner, stopping and standing in streets and on sidewalks, Just a general lack of educational presence that I think I've witnessed as a cyclist here in Sausalito. with regards to the amount of tourism that comes through and congestion that that causes. So I'm curious if I if there have been previous meetings that try to address that issue in terms of safety. or if there might be a future opportunity for that to be a discussion item or agenda item worth addressing. mostly asking for a point of view. |
| 02:52:10.10 | Joan Cox | Okay, thank you. It's been unusual to get specific public comment at this stage. I suppose, but it's okay. Sorry. It's okay. It happened so fast. |
| 02:52:20.10 | Alicia Sarah | I'm sorry. It happened so fast and I didn't know what to do. |
| 02:52:22.70 | Joan Cox | No worries. No worries. There's been lots and lots of discussion, and we have a bicycle and pedestrian committee that has been dealing with this for a number of years, but also I can certainly say it falls under future agenda items because we will be coming back and asking the question and what additional rules we need to put in place to manage the bicycles, especially down. items because we will be coming back and asking the question what additional rules we need to put in place to manage the bicycles, especially downtown. So look out for future agenda item on that topic. Anybody else want to say anything on that? |
| 02:52:23.51 | Alicia Sarah | No. |
| 02:52:57.83 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. I was gonna say, you might wanna contact Lily about the bike and ped committee because you sound like you'd be a perfect person to help out. |
| 02:53:06.63 | Alicia Sarah | CHANGING. |
| 02:53:07.66 | Jill Hoffman | on that committee. Dr. Fotch was here. He was sitting up here in front. He's the chair of the bike and ped. I'm sure he'd be happy to have you. |
| 02:53:14.71 | Alicia Sarah | Yes, excellent. I'm looking to be more involved as a whole, too. It's just kind of an entry point. So thank you for your time, and I'll reach out to you. I'll reach out to you. |
| 02:53:17.27 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:53:17.70 | Joan Cox | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:53:24.40 | Joan Cox | OK, and I've recorded this as the specific issues that Alicia raised as something to be addressed at a future agenda item. |
| 02:53:32.95 | Alicia Sarah | I'll give you my green card too. It has all my notes. |
| 02:53:34.93 | Joan Cox | Okay, great. |
| 02:53:35.67 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:53:35.87 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:53:35.89 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:53:35.91 | Alicia Sarah | Thank you. |
| 02:53:36.02 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, anybody else want to comment on the items under seven? No? Okay, thank you. City Manager report. |
| 02:53:52.34 | Adam Politzer | Thank you, council members, Mr. Mayor. Nothing to report of significance this evening. Happy to answer any questions from our council members. and always available to talk to the public during the week. at their convenience. |
| 02:54:12.88 | Joan Cox | Questions for Adam? Okay, council member committee reports. |
| 02:54:24.96 | Joan Cox | Has anybody got anything? I've got one thing, but. |
| 02:54:25.03 | Joan Cox | Yeah. You have in your packet future agenda items that includes, it does include a list for, oh. So the legislative committee has transmitted to the city a list of potential future agenda items that will appear in a future staff report. Thank you. Does that include the |
| 02:54:50.80 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:54:50.81 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:54:50.83 | Mary Wagner | leaf blower Yes, so the legislative committee wants to add to the council's future agenda items list tonight the potential leaf blower ordinance which would ban gas powered leaf blowers with an option to also consider banning electric powered leaf blowers. An update or report on all of the recent changes to the housing laws, SB 35 at all, and discussion of loitering or nuisance issues, particularly around the 7-Eleven. |
| 02:55:30.60 | Joan Cox | So one of those came from Sustainability Commission. Those will be transmitted to future agenda, agenda setting committee and placed on a list of possible future agenda items for the council to consider. |
| 02:55:45.22 | Jill Hoffman | And I'm wondering if we need to expand the loitering issue beyond the 7-Eleven you know, |
| 02:55:53.50 | Joan Cox | So I've been reading the reports from Dawn Wells regarding |
| 02:55:54.53 | Jill Hoffman | I'm not looking at that. |
| 02:55:58.16 | Joan Cox | And there's a notable increase in activity in front of the 7-Eleven. and a lack of similar activity elsewhere from my review of these reports. |
| 02:56:14.51 | Joan Cox | activity meaning |
| 02:56:16.45 | Joan Cox | calls to address potentially criminal issues. |
| 02:56:21.67 | Joan Cox | Assuming calls for service to that area by the police or in connection with possible criminal activity? |
| 02:56:23.03 | Joan Cox | that area by the police. Yes, and repeat calls over and over like four times in the same evening. |
| 02:56:31.20 | Joan Cox | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:56:31.73 | Joan Cox | Thank you. at that one location. |
| 02:56:33.97 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:56:33.99 | Joan Cox | SO. |
| 02:56:41.11 | Joan Cox | Okay. |
| 02:56:46.44 | Joan Cox | Sorry, where am I? Oh, committee reports. Okay, I just wanna do one thing. The only thing I want to talk about is a little, is the outside committee marine clean energy and, Excuse me. I've got... |
| 02:56:59.84 | Adam Kriwashi | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:57:00.31 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:57:03.89 | Joan Cox | this |
| 02:57:08.97 | Joan Cox | for anybody still watching, which is an award that was given to the city of Sausalito and other cities, quite a number of other cities actually, for our environmental leadership and commitment to deep green in 2013. 2014, Sausalito actually went deep green, that means 100% renewable for all of its public accounts. So all of the electricity in this building, any of the city property is 100% renewable and we were among the first four jurisdictions in Marin County to do that. Marin Clean Energy now having, well done. Well, that's good. Marin Clean Energy of course is now way beyond Marin. It's up to nearly half a million customers and by April. So anyway, just wanted to let you know that, that we are at least as judged by Marine Clean Energy leading environmentally. Any other committee reports? The next thing is appointments to boards, commissions, and committees. Now, we are in the process of interviewing a bunch of folks for lots of different committees, and we have the opportunity to appoint I think today we just have the... to appoint one new City Council appointment to the Business Advisory Committee, but there's going to be more to occur next year and then the second action, if we do, irrespective, the second action is the BAC has nominated Chris Gallagher to a second term on the BAC and if you recall and look at the staff report, There are nine members of the BAC, three that the City Council appoints, three that the BSBAC appoints with our confirmation, and so the Chris Gallagher one would be confirming the BAC's decision to nominate Chris, and the third one is nominated by the Chamber, And the third one is nominated by the chamber, but that has not occurred yet and will occur later. So we've had a number, so we are at the moment, so let's take the action on Chris Gallagher. I mean, are we comfortable to confirm the reappointment of Chris Gallagher to a second term on BAC, and this is a BAC appointee? |
| 03:00:16.20 | Joe Burns | I'll move on. |
| 03:00:16.53 | Joan Cox | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:00:17.12 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:00:17.34 | Joan Cox | reappoint Chris Gallagher to the BC. |
| 03:00:19.49 | Joan Cox | THE END OF THE |
| 03:00:19.91 | Joan Cox | Okay, so we're all in favor? Aye. Okay, now with regards to a new nomination of the city, I wish we could nominate two at this stage, but we only can nominate one, although I think one will come up again in January, perhaps. So does anybody want to put forward a nomination? |
| 03:00:50.56 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, I'll nominate Nathan's groups. |
| 03:00:55.31 | Joan Cox | Any other nominations? |
| 03:00:58.49 | Joan Cox | I will nominate Payam Baradnia. |
| 03:01:05.08 | Joan Cox | OK. |
| 03:01:08.88 | Joan Cox | All right. Let's have a vote. |
| 03:01:18.65 | Joan Cox | And so the person needs three votes. |
| 03:01:22.57 | Unknown | Councilmember Burns. |
| 03:01:24.88 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 03:01:24.90 | Joe Burns | Payam Paradya. |
| 03:01:27.19 | Unknown | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 03:01:28.78 | Jill Hoffman | but Nathan's scripts. |
| 03:01:31.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:01:31.80 | Joan Cox | Vice Mayor Cox. Payam Baradnia. Mayor Withy. |
| 03:01:37.06 | Joan Cox | And I will also vote for Payam Berorodnia and encouraging Nathan to stick around because |
| 03:01:45.94 | Joe Burns | You're going to get on. |
| 03:01:48.33 | Joan Cox | We're very much enthused by your application. |
| 03:01:48.59 | Joe Burns | I don't know. |
| 03:01:49.03 | Joan Cox | WE'RE PUTTING THEM TO |
| 03:01:53.89 | Joan Cox | I agree. |
| 03:01:53.94 | Joan Cox | THE FAMILY. I agree with that. So and I think there is one coming up in January. So would you, we won't even force you to come back for an interview if you keep your hat in the ring. |
| 03:02:06.36 | Joan Cox | Okay, moving on. Future agenda items, I think we sort of covered, did we not? And there are any other points? |
| 03:02:17.31 | Joan Cox | Oh, so one other that I... One other future agenda item I recorded tonight was an update from the GGNRA on the fire, prevention and safety plan to protect that side of Sausalito. |
| 03:02:34.56 | Joan Cox | Excellent. Okay. Okay. Very good. No other comments? Anybody want to say anything? We're adjourned. |
Yoshitome — In Favor: Praised the chamber's presentation for highlighting the importance of directing visitors and managing downtown traffic collaboratively. Emphasized the need for hospitality and working together to benefit hotels, restaurants, and the community. ▶ 📄