| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:00:03.10 | Lily (City Clerk) | Yes. |
| 00:00:08.65 | Lily (City Clerk) | I'm very worried. |
| 00:00:12.74 | Lily (City Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 00:00:12.76 | Vicki Nichols | We're going to wait. I'm sorry. Hold on. |
| 00:00:13.56 | Lily (City Clerk) | I'm sorry. Oh, hold on. |
| 00:00:15.54 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:00:16.28 | Lily (City Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 00:00:16.30 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:00:17.18 | Lily (City Clerk) | Paz. |
| 00:00:20.92 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 00:00:22.59 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Okay, I am calling to order the Saucedo City Council regular meeting for Tuesday, January 9, 2018. It's 6.15 p.m. It's actually 6.18 p.m. Call the meeting to order and Lily, will you take roll please? Consumers. |
| 00:00:38.98 | Lily (City Clerk) | THE END OF |
| 00:00:39.05 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | with you. |
| 00:00:39.94 | Councilmember Withey | here. |
| 00:00:40.43 | Lily (City Clerk) | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 00:00:41.97 | Jill Hoffman | President, |
| 00:00:43.11 | Lily (City Clerk) | Councilmember Cleve-Nulls? Here. Vice Mayor Burns? Here. Mayor Cox? |
| 00:00:48.06 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | you Okay, we're going to adjourn to closed session to address items D1 through D3. D1 is conference with legal counsel, existing litigation pursuant to government code 54956.9A. Item two is conference with legal counsel regarding anticipated litigation pursuant to section 54956.9. And item D3 is conference with legal counsel regarding existing litigation, Pursuant to California Government Code section 54956.9A, California Bay Area Renters Association versus Sausalito. And with that, we'll adjourn to closed session. Thanks. |
| 00:01:43.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, good evening and welcome to the regular City Council meeting for the City of Sausalito for Tuesday, January 9, 2018. I'll call the meeting to order and ask Lily, will you take roll? |
| 00:01:55.66 | Lily (City Clerk) | Thank you. Councilmember Withey. |
| 00:01:57.38 | Councilmember Withey | here. |
| 00:01:57.41 | Lily (City Clerk) | here. you Council member Hoffman present council members Cleveland knows here come vice mayor burns president |
| 00:02:04.03 | Councilmember Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:02:04.18 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:02:04.33 | Councilmember Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:02:04.65 | Lily (City Clerk) | Mayor Wilcox. Here. |
| 00:02:08.01 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Vicki Nichols, will you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? |
| 00:02:14.95 | Vicki Nichols | I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:02:17.46 | Tula Biederman | in the United States. |
| 00:02:20.03 | Sergio Lima | Thank you. |
| 00:02:22.47 | Tula Biederman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:02:22.56 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | foundation. |
| 00:02:31.23 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | We met in closed session on three items listed on our agenda and there are no closed session announcements. Is there any public comment on the closed session items? Seeing none, we'll move on to approval of the agenda. Before I ask for a motion to approve the agenda, one council member pointed out that the agenda may not have been crystal clear about whether or not we were going to actually appoint a new planning commissioner tonight. And has asked that we clarify as part of the approval of our agenda that we will be discussing that item but not actually appointing a planning commissioner tonight. Is there any objection to that clarification? to our agenda. Seeing none, I will seek a motion approving the agenda with that clarification. or move. |
| 00:03:28.15 | Ray Withey | Second. |
| 00:03:29.21 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All in favor? |
| 00:03:30.14 | Ray Withey | I |
| 00:03:30.19 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Aye. That motion carries 5-0. Next on the agenda are special presentations, mayor's announcements. And we're going to introduce Steve Wharton, our Sewer Maintenance Worker 1. Jonathan Goldman, Happy New Year. |
| 00:03:45.09 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm happy to hear you as well, members of council, staff, and the folks here in the audience and out in the community. |
| 00:03:58.90 | Jonathon Goldman | I could start over. Thank you again, Madam Mayor. Happy New Year to you, members of council, staff, folks in the audience. I have the great and brief pleasure this evening to introduce the newest of the Department of Public Works's employees, Steve Wharton. Come on up, Steve. I, it's actually a privilege for a number of reasons, and I'll talk a little bit about Steve and then encourage him to introduce himself to the extent that I haven't, and then introduce himself to all of you. But one of the things that I admire about Steve and people like him is that he's interested in a career in wastewater. very grateful for people who recognize how important and how fundamental that is to the quality of life that i think a lot of us in many respects take for granted so i wanted to to give him some special recognition for that steve's was born and raised in petaluma he's 22 years old and has three years of prior experience as a residential plumber for peter levy plumbing he specialized in replacement of sanitary sewer laterals and again is um interested in and is here because he wants to carry on in his knowledge of how to keep the city of Sausalito flowing, to use his words. Thank you. |
| 00:05:18.85 | Steve Wharton | Thank you. |
| 00:05:18.87 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:05:19.24 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:05:19.37 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 00:05:19.63 | Jonathon Goldman | Thanks for joining us. Please be my guest. |
| 00:05:23.19 | Steve Wharton | Hello. I'd say thank you for having me here. I am excited to start my career with the city of Sausalito. I also would like to gain a lot of knowledge through my coworkers and future trainings that I'll be having so I can better the city and keep these systems flowing for many years to come. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:05:44.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:05:47.33 | Lily (City Clerk) | Thank you. |
| 00:05:47.49 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 00:05:47.69 | Lily (City Clerk) | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:05:49.78 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you and welcome. Thank you. |
| 00:06:13.86 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, next on our agenda is introduction of Tula Biederman, library assistant two, and we'll invite Abbott Chambers to the podium. Happy New Year, Abbott. |
| 00:06:21.46 | Councilmember Withey | Happy New Year. Madam Mayor, members of the council and members of the community, it's my pleasure to introduce you to a new member of the city's staff. This is Tula Biederman. Tula started on Monday, December 4th, as a full-time Library Assistant 2 at the Sausalito Library. She's a recent graduate of American University with a BA in Public Health and Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies. She worked at the National Immigrant Women's Advocacy Project in Washington, DC, before moving back home to her folks, their houseboat and South 40 dock here in Sausalito. So she's currently living in San Rafael. In her capacity as a library assistant, Tula will be splitting her time between helping the public at our service desk inside the library and working back in the staff workroom processing materials for the library. Before accepting the job, Tula was already a familiar face here in Sausalito. She has been working part-time in the library for the past year. You could also have found her working in the produce department at Driver's Market. In her free time, Tula enjoys podcasts, puzzles, and pub trivia. Please welcome Tula Biederman. |
| 00:07:36.75 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 00:07:36.77 | Tula Biederman | Hello. Thank you very much for having me. I'm so excited to get to learn more about the library and its role within the city and within the broader Marin County Library system. And I'm very excited to get to work with a crew that I already know and love. So thank you very much for having me. Thank you and welcome. |
| 00:08:11.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Everybody knows who you are anyway. |
| 00:08:23.14 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, next on our agenda are communications. This is the time for the City Council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on our agenda. Except in very limited situations, state law precludes the council from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business not on our agenda. However, the council may refer matters not on the agenda to city staff or direct that the subject be agendized for a future meeting. I have one speaker card for someone who'd like to address an item not on the agenda, Mr. Steve Moore, and we'll give each person three minutes to speak. |
| 00:09:00.28 | Steve Moore | Thank you, Mayor Cox and honorable city council members. I'm Steve Moore, speaking to you as one of the founders of Friends of Willow Creek, established in 2010. I'm also an 18-year resident homeowner in the city, and I've lived here longer than any other place in my lifetime. Like yourselves, I love this city for the community it is and what it could become. I put time into establishing a viable public school here in Sausalito along with other parents, and wife Caroline Van Alst who was reelected to the school board last year. Along the way I met some middle school students who discovered that the creek down by Bridgeway runs up and under the school. And these middle school students are now sophomores and juniors in college. Uh, But we discovered that unlike other creeks in the city, this one doesn't have any major housing or structures that would prevent its restoration along its entire path. And as I'm showing here in this graphic, I guess I could make it bigger. I just want to introduce this conceptual phasing graphic of where the creek is. You can see Bridgeway dividing and 101 going north to south in this graphic here. And these are different phases of a possible restoration. There's a phase, the red phase is the existing creek channel that's upstream of Bridgeway where we've done some restoration work over the last seven years. And folks on the council have been at some of our events and we appreciate everybody's effort. We know Sausalito means little willow thicket. And little willow thickets grow near little creeks. And so it's a part of our identity that is an opportunity for us to discuss. Now, the city council has had this item, daylighting creek resources, on its funding agenda, but it never made it above the funding line. And that's great that it's been recognized in the past as something we may consider as a public works enterprise. And when we talk about daylighting creeks, we mean take the creek out of the pipe and daylight it into an open vegetated channel. So our group's mission is to bring back these vital resources and begin a community discussion about them and how they breathe life and health into the landscape around them. In terms of the creek creates life, butterflies, birds, supports our coyotes and all the wildlife that we're blessed with. And it creates connectivity for people too. It's a pathway, a corridor that people can travel. So the next graphic I want to quickly show you, we received $120,000 worth of grant money to explore the idea of daylighting the creek on the school campus. So I'll just bring that up. And really, I'm here to ask for a future agenda item with you so we can explore these ideas more and hear from folks in the community and yourselves about questions you might have. This graphic here shows a conceptual day lighting plan on the upper part of the Willow Creek Academy campus. The buildings on the right are where the school classrooms are. On the left is the fire road. So I just wanted to bring that up. |
| 00:12:05.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you very much, Mr. Moore. |
| 00:12:07.28 | Steve Moore | I'm going to ask that maybe we can talk about this more in an item in a future agenda. That's really what we're here. |
| 00:12:12.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Okay, are there any other communications regarding items not on our agenda this evening? All right, seeing none, we'll move on. Next item is action minutes of the previous meeting. We have two sets of minutes from our regular and our special city council meetings on December 12th. Are there any revisions or may I have a motion to approve as submitted? |
| 00:12:47.34 | Ray Withey | Move to approve is submitted. |
| 00:12:52.50 | Joe Burns | THE BEST. |
| 00:12:53.39 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All in favor? Aye. Aye. And that motion carries 5-0. |
| 00:12:55.10 | Ray Withey | Bye. |
| 00:12:55.22 | Joe Burns | Bye. |
| 00:12:55.37 | Ray Withey | . |
| 00:13:00.99 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, we're going to move on to our consent calendar. We have four items on our consent calendar. Is there any request to remove any items from the consent calendar? |
| 00:13:13.98 | Ray Withey | Madam Mayor, I don't want to remove anything, but I would like to make some comments on item 4C, our operating protocols. |
| 00:13:23.55 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, let me go ahead and accept, take public comment on these items and then we'll, remove items, we'll hear what you have to say about item 4C. Is there any public comment on any of the consent items? OK, seeing none, I'm going to close public comment on this Councilmember Withey. |
| 00:13:44.66 | Ray Withey | Yeah, thank you, Madam Mayor. I was actually rereading these again yesterday, and I realized that something that had bothered me a year ago and then it bothered me a year before that, is actually on the first page of the protocols in item A, placing items on the agenda. The way in which we've crafted this, and I think this is language that we've inherited for years, to be honest, and just rolled it over, is that... second bullet point, if a council member wants to put an item on the agenda, he or she goes to the mayor, and then this is the point I've been trying to I've been worried about. If the mayor disagrees, the council member may raise the item during future agenda items. Well, we often raise items during them, and it's not because we disagree with the mayor. And so there's a presumption in there that by bringing up something at future agenda items, we've automatically already, a conflict has ensued, a disagreement that we're trying to resolve, and that's not the case. That's often not the case in that part of the... So I would just like to... maybe ask that the agenda setting committee take a look at this and maybe come back with some rewording to make sure it actually does what we say it does and not create this strange Um, impression that there's a disagreement when there isn't. |
| 00:15:17.34 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. But I'll... |
| 00:15:19.18 | Ray Withey | But other than that, I'm happy to proceed with it as is, and then ask the agenda setting work on it. |
| 00:15:25.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so Lily, can you record that as a future item for the agenda setting committee? |
| 00:15:33.08 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, and with that caveat, may I have a motion to approve the consent calendar? So moved. |
| 00:15:40.61 | Ray Withey | Second. |
| 00:15:41.45 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All in favor? Aye. That motion carries 5-0. It's so nice to sit up here and say that things are carrying 5-0. I just have to make that comment. |
| 00:15:42.37 | Ray Withey | All right. |
| 00:15:49.01 | Joe Burns | Yeah. |
| 00:15:53.33 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, next on our item are business items. And the first is the Civic Center Beautification Project review with Saucido Beautiful and SWA. And we'll welcome Lauren Umbertis to the podium. Happy New Year, Lauren. |
| 00:16:12.44 | Lauren Umbertis | Happy New Year Mayor Cox, congratulations. Happy New Year Vice Mayor Burns. Welcome to the City Council, Mrs. Cleveland Knowles. other council members, Ray. I thought I was going to have a few more minutes to get all together. |
| 00:16:26.42 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 00:16:26.58 | Vicki Nichols | Yeah. |
| 00:16:26.59 | Steve Wharton | Yeah. |
| 00:16:26.61 | Vicki Nichols | have a few more |
| 00:16:27.15 | Steve Wharton | Thank you. |
| 00:16:27.17 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:16:28.20 | Tula Biederman | Nice. |
| 00:16:31.83 | Vicki Nichols | Our veterans. |
| 00:16:48.01 | Lauren Umbertis | presentation. |
| 00:17:09.15 | Lauren Umbertis | While we're waiting for this load, I would just like to let everyone know that As part of a public service announcement, please drive safely out in Sausalito on Highway 101 and within our community. We've had some serious accidents in the last few days as a result of the new rain. So please do be careful because they have been a mess. And they've taken up a lot of our time to help clean up, but it's just really important that we all drive safely after this new year and after these first rains because there have been some really bad ones so Uh, Again, while that is loading, I'm here tonight to discuss the Sausalito Civic Center exterior improvements project, but also to give really a reminder of why we're here and why we're asking you to take a look at this presentation and to take a look at this staff report. A few years ago, back in 2014, a group called Sausalito Beautiful came together and came and started working with the city and had as its focus trying to make our city more beautiful than it already is. And so we've been working very closely with them on different projects. This is gonna be the, hopefully, one of them. And so we want to have a little conversation about that before we get going. So I do want to invite Shelby Van Meter, who was very influential in the creation of Sausalue Beautiful. I'd go so far as to say... She did create Softly Beautiful. And I'd like to have her give a few highlights about where we started, what we've been doing, and what we hope to achieve in the coming months and years. So if Shelby could come up for a few minutes. |
| 00:18:53.44 | Shelby Van Meter | Good evening Mayor Cox. and members of the City Council. It's always wonderful to be here and speak to you. We're very excited about what you're about to see, and we hope that you will endorse it and forward it to the Planning Commission this evening. But for a little background, for those of you who haven't been with us from the very beginning as city council people, In mid-2013, actually, a landscape beautification initiative began. And it began because during the recession, funds were allocated for more critical projects and there was nothing left for landscape beautification. And our landscapes really deteriorated and became a huge issue. So we started an initiative, and the first thing we did is interview other cities to see what they did and as a result of this process we formed a beautification study group. It consisted of the CEO of the Chamber of Commerce, it consisted of our Trees and Views Chair at the time Tom Wilhite and Joe Burns was chair of the planning Parks and Rec Commission at that time. So we came up with recommendations and among them was to form an organization called South Florida Beautiful that would work in partnership in a private-public partnership manner with the city to to be partners in improving our landscapes. And we've made a lot of progress together. I think looking around the Bridgeway corridor you can really see some dramatic changes in just a fairly short time. And part of it has been because of your willingness to provide funds for these projects. And we want you to know how much we appreciate that. So part of our study group report, which was presented to the council in January of 2014, were three recommendations for improvements. The first one on the list was the Civic Center Landscapes. And the reason behind this was that this is a place that's really the heart of the city. It truly is. This is where everything happens. This is where city business happens, where many nonprofits are involved, where Parks and Rec has many, many, many wonderful programs from for tots to seniors and so this is a bubbling place. Lately whenever I come here I can hardly find a parking place. So it just shows this is the center of our community. So shortly after all this began to happen, John Wong of SWA Group was approached quite boldly and asked if SWA would be willing to provide a landscape improvement plan for the Civic Center, and the answer was yes, enthusiastically, and a plan was developed, a comprehensive design plan, which Lauren will go through a little bit tonight. Funds were allocated by the city. Thank you so much for a design development phase. You'll see the results of that this evening, which will be phase one of the project SWA went beyond doing a landscape plan and included such things as lighting, signage. entryway pots and plantings, so you'll see some of that tonight, as well as a new fence around the entire perimeter, which will be a huge enhancement and will come in future phases. So as I said, we're very proud to have partnered with the city. There's much more to do, we're going to be involved with conversations in the general plan update about the importance of keeping landscapes in the general plan, or rather putting them in the general plan for the first time. One of the big issues is long-term care and maintenance, and so we'll be coming up with some recommendations how long-term care and maintenance can be assured. So what doesn't happen, again, that happened during the recession is that all the hard work and money put into landscapes would go down the tube, so we hope to make it possible for that not to happen in the future. So thank you so much, and I think with that little bit of background, you're more or less up to date on where we've been and where we are, where we're going. We do have strategic plans, Suslita Beautiful does, and I should add that I speak now as a non-board member, but as the project liaison for the Civic Center. and I'm very proud to do that. And tonight, Carolyn Revell, our Director of Projects and Programs is here in the audience and we're presenting on behalf of the entire Board of South Little Beautiful. So thank you for your attention and time. |
| 00:23:18.63 | Lauren Umbertis | Thank you Shelby for that. So we're gonna have a chance to take a look at some of the achievements that she mentioned and where we are today. She's already gone through much of this. You're also pretty familiar with the impact that Sausalito Beautiful has had upon our community over the last few years. Where we are right now is we are working with SWA, and as of October 2017, we do have some preliminary design documents which will be the first step for going to a design review application if that's the direction that the council gives to staff tonight So we have had a number of great events and projects that we've done that Shelby alluded to. You've seen the Bridgeway medians. We've completed three of those medians now, one of which was entirely funded by local donors and no city money at this point, and that's the one that's located out in front of sailors. We've also been able to renovate Bolinar Plaza. That's where we have the sales right there at the corner of Napa and Bridgeway that was a great one we were able to find the son of the original landscape architect to come out and he assisted At its own cost, we were able to take a lot of the plants that were there, replant them and if you drive by there, it's a great way to enter into that little Calendonian corridor. and it continues to look just fantastic, especially when the flowers are up. We've been working with local, with little kind of strike teams called Green Thumbs, They are also part of Sausalito Beautiful. They've been, were able to help us improve the Easterby bus stop. We added new plants there, painted the entire bus stop at one point. We've had four beautification days, which many of you have been to, and so you remember those. We've also been able to do a lot of pruning on trees that we haven't done for many years and prior to my joining the staff. So that's been really nice to do on Caledonia and also along the medians. And we are also working with South Salud of Beautiful to do a Caledonia street planting program. We just need to find locations that are appropriate for those trees. So far at the end of Caledonia, we want to do some more. And then I mentioned the Green Thumbs. They're a small little group that comes out, assists the city in some ways by going to some of our parks and doing a little bit of weeding and just helping out and bringing the community together to actually work together on our community. So that's been really great to see. And that's just only a few. I think that there are many others on this list that are smaller projects or other projects that we worked on that we've been able to achieve over the last three or four years. So we're now going to go back to the original presentation that SWA gave to the council in 2014. And my role right now is to give you a reminder of where that was because There are a number of you who are on the council now who were not here when that was first presented. So we'll go through a couple of the details and then we'll go through some of the specifics on the current plan. This was presented to the city by John Wong and SWA in 2014. And it talks about a number of different elements. And it's tight. It's in your packet. You've been able to take a look at this and you can go through it when you have some more time. But as Shelby mentioned, it does talk about signage at the entryways to our main parking lot. landscaping improvements around the parking lot, and improving the appearance of the walkways and the entryways to the building. Mostly focused on landscaping and exterior beautification efforts, not so much the building itself, but really trying to make the experience of coming into our Civic Center just look a lot better. Fortunately, we've been able to do a lot of improvements with Robin Sweeney Park, which was completed after this. So we have now a beautiful entryway into the building from the Caledonia side. So that's just going to be another part and parcel of what we're trying to do here to make this really a community and civic center. So, You have this, and I understand that you cannot read this. And I only put this in there so that you know that when we first did this project, we did go through a cost estimating process to try to figure out what it would cost the city. This was based upon that previous page. So where we are now is we're going to start putting together those concepts, those schematics, and putting them into actual design documents that can get priced out. The idea behind this was to show that in the budget, in the strategic plan in which you allocated $100,000 for the next couple of years, or at least earmarked that money, this is what was the basis for making that decision. So the number at the lower right-hand corner is $301,000. That does not represent necessarily what will happen here because we will be going through that design review process and in the steps going forward over the next couple of years, we'll have an opportunity to go through that again. So this was just to show you that there was a reasoning behind where that number came from, just wasn't brought up and made up out of So I understand you can't read that, but it wasn't meant to. be what it's going to cost, just an idea to let you know that there was some basis there. This is the strategic allocation plan that you can see, and you can see there in the lower third that we have set aside money, or at least earmark that money, I should say, because you will need to approve these budgets as we continue to go forward year after year. But these are those numbers, and again, those numbers are based upon the previous document, which... estimated some of the exterior improvements for this project. So now the now current step that we're looking at is the schematic plan for the exterior, and SWA, Patrick Haslop. is here and he and Sergio Lima is here as well and they're going to have an opportunity to go through some more of the details they they were the ones who drew this up they can give a little example of why they were making these decisions this first phase is relatively small compared to the other phases that could eventually happen although it's going to be a significant change in appearance in some ways, because it's going to really make the entrance look a lot better. So I'd like to ask the two of them, or one of them, whoever would like to present, to give some more information on some of these. You can see here that this is the basic plan. You have the four entryways. There is landscaping that's going to take place in the parking lot, some other things like signage. So I'll let Patrick go through that for a few minutes. We do have some of the other details, if you want to go through the presentation. |
| 00:30:02.55 | Patrick Haslop | Thank you, good evening. So yeah, what you see here is a plan of the Sausalito City Hall Civic Center. As you know, it's a beautiful historic building, but the site has not been maintained over the years. And like everything, a landscape needs an update every once in a while. So this plan is really aimed at giving a cohesive user experience to the site and a public interface that can give civic pride as one comes to the site from any of the various locations. There's, whether that be on the. Caledonia side or on this upper side in the parking lot, which as you know has some sort of tunnel like entrances right now. |
| 00:30:52.86 | Patrick Haslop | I'll go into a little more detail about each specific site shortly. The overall idea of this plan is to aim the new design insertions at high visibility entrances and pathways into the site. |
| 00:31:15.84 | Patrick Haslop | I'm just gonna skip ahead real quick. of I guess it's not in there. Never mind. I'll go back. Sorry. So there's really two aspects to this plan, I would say the hardscaping and then the planting. The planting is focused on the upper side of the building and around the parking lot where the current planting is in state of various disrepair. While the Rob and Sweeney side planting is actually doing pretty good. And we're aiming to bring seasonal color, new trees, a native low water pallet that unifies the whole site. We're also looking to. really changed the character of the parking lot by addressing the quite harsh, large retaining wall that wraps half of it through planting in a way that doesn't really affect the structure and get too expensive. In terms of hardscaping, the idea is pretty simple. Simply matching this exists. There's one area of the site that has brick paving, herringbone pattern, and it's a material that complements the building nicely, and we want to bring that to all of the entrances just as a very sort of clear way of tying the site together. And again, complementing the building as you approach it from any side. |
| 00:32:42.22 | Patrick Haslop | So I'm just going to go through quickly each entrance just to really highlight what the design calls for and how that sort of improves the character. I don't have an overall graphic of the planting around the parking lot, but the idea there is to basically surround the parking lot with rich textures, seasonal color, and again, native and low water plants. This is the top upper west entrance, and as you can see, the brick paving comes down these existing stairs and existing bridge. we've changed the geometry here to just be a little more gracious, a little more flow in from the parking lot, adding a new bench, new signage, new handrails, bringing that up to code, new guardrails. Right now that's a chain-length fence, which is pretty unpleasant. And then another big design move here is adding these planters in a vertical green screen, which are aimed to screen the large and unsightly mechanical equipment and larger tainting wall down through here. |
| 00:33:49.47 | Patrick Haslop | So these are the lower two entrances. This is the one entrance that has current brick paving. Looks great. The other somethings that don't look great at this entrance currently, the lighting is pretty industrial, you could say, with exposed conduit. The garbage can is at the entrance. So the improvements in this entrance in particular is really just cleaning it up, bringing new site furnishings, trash, recycling, compost, and taking it away from the direct site entrance facade. This is the lower side on the other side, new brick paving, new lighting, and again, new site furnishings, all as sort of one family. And finally, this is the other upper entrance. The idea here again, brick paving to really unify the site, including the path that connects the two. New trees to flank the walkway, addressing the drainage issues and puddling that occurs here, new planting to utilize the existing trellis that has sort of fallen into disrepair, as well as new bike racks. |
| 00:35:06.64 | Patrick Haslop | This is just a quick image that shows just how changing the color and material of that walkway can bring in more of a connection with the building. One, you know, inviting entrance, also having plants on that wall as you approach. And this is our idea with the retaining wall at the parking lot. By simply putting a cut into the paving at its base, we could plant it with climbing vines and eventually create kind of an embrace of green on that parking lot as opposed to the current kind of fairly harsh concrete. |
| 00:35:50.01 | Patrick Haslop | So those are essentially the design details we've been looking at for the past couple of months. And with that, I'll turn it back over to Lauren. Thank you. |
| 00:36:02.29 | Lauren Umbertis | Thank you, Patrick. And you may have received as a late mail attachment this presentation that does actually have a final planting page that was added. So I may have opened up the wrong presentation when I started this one. But you should have that in your late mail that does show that planting plan for that area. THE END OF THE END OF THE So let's move on. |
| 00:36:25.06 | Lauren Umbertis | THE BIDEN IS A is old and we know that there are lots of other challenges that exist with this building. But we've worked with Sausalito Beautiful and we've made that commitment to them through your efforts with the budget and through our communications that beautification is important. So we want to make sure that we stay focused and that the money that we've kind of looked at for doing that beautification, we want to keep that focused on doing beautification for the Civic Center project. It's important that you know that the building Thank you. does have other issues that it's going to be staff's responsibility, both DPW and finance, city manager, and working with you to try to figure out how to make some other improvements without just putting on tile and then walking away. The one thing that is really important is that first one, which is the waterproofing issues at the southwest entrance. We know that we have waterproofing issues over there, and so we have to work internally to try to find those funds in order to make that repair at the same time before we do the adding of tile. I mean, that's just how we need to do it. But we don't want to rob Peter to pay for Paul, so It's going to be our job to work with you to try to find the funds to make this all work without also just not doing the work and just pushing it off forever and ever. We do have some other issues that we should just make you aware of. The roof has probably not been touched or repaired since this became the City Council or before it became the Civic Center. So that puts it at about 40 or 50 years. Eventually, something will need to be done on the roof. We also know that we have issues to accessibility. We're touching on some of those matters right now with the work that we're proposing. So that's gonna be great. But we also know we have other aging infrastructures. The exterior eaves are in a poor condition. And then just within the building, we've tried to grow within this building to become more effective, but it has lots of issues. So there are gonna be things that are gonna come up My point that I want to make to the Council is that we want to continue to focus on doing beautification efforts for the building when they're appropriate and when we can do them, but we also will be coming back and saying we want to do this at the same time. That's going to be the challenge that we face in trying to deliver all this over the next three to four years. We're going to have to phase those things in if we have to go and find other additional funds in order to make those repairs that are underlying some of the efforts that we're trying to make. So that's one reason I wanted to bring that up to everyone. So right now, what I've come to the council for is to get some direction on going forward. What we'd like to do is we'd like to take the schematic plan that we have for this project, that you've seen a few details, and start fleshing that out and start going. And then we would like to go before the planning commission for a design review permit. So that's what we very much would like to do. There are some things that you can direct staff to do or you can ask us to look into which is you know right now we have some basis of cost and some basis of estimates i threw in some very rough numbers in the staff report based upon the original proposal but again they were not really based on construction drawings just trying to give you an idea of where we stand with this initial phase which is at least a hundred thousand dollars that doesn't include some of the underlying deferred maintenance issues and that's a very rough number we can also you know direct expand scope i mean we know that we have some of these deferred maintenance items the comment the last comment is is part of the the original presentation so it's a little bit different. We basically want to get direction to, if we really want to start doing some other major items that we can try to work those in conjunction with the with the beautification items. So that's really where we stand right now is waiting for you to provide us with direction to move forward. So if there are any questions, I'm happy to answer them. |
| 00:40:27.14 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you, Lauren and Shelby. Any questions of staff? |
| 00:40:32.21 | Joe Burns | Yeah. |
| 00:40:33.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Joe. |
| 00:40:33.41 | Joe Burns | Thank you. This phase. obviously what you presented, does it do any of the tree trimming on other areas of the property. |
| 00:40:42.99 | Lauren Umbertis | At this point, it does not include any tree trimming of the property. There is some, actually, I take that back. There is landscaping work that is proposed within this, and that's on that one sheet, and that will necessarily tie in some of those areas. It'll be primarily focused on this area over here. I will say that a couple of years ago, we came into this site with Bartlett Tree Service and we pruned these oak trees, we pruned the tulips that are at the entranceway, we did the cedars that are in the plaza area. So we've, about two or three years ago, we did a really significant pruning project at the Civic Center. So we would take a look at that as part of the landscaping improvements out here. |
| 00:40:43.85 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:41:25.65 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | of a question. Yeah. Can you go back to the prior slide? So can you just explain whether option one on bullet one is, so if there was interest in looking at these deferred maintenance issues, which seem structurally important, is that something that has to be included in the design review application to the planning commission, or is that something separate? |
| 00:41:50.42 | Lauren Umbertis | Okay. The really deep details are not going to be included in a design review application. They're going to take a look at the building, at the exterior, at the appearance of the building. There are going to be some things that we can bring up within that design review application, but I don't know that those types of elements necessarily need to be reviewed because they are basically repairs in the. example of the corner the southwest corner What we know is that we have an area drain that isn't as intact as we would like it to be. So we're basically going to have to reseal it. When we pull up the surfacing, we're going to have to put down new membrane. It's not going to impact the appearance on any of that. |
| 00:42:33.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So what do you mean then in bullet number three by expand the scope? to include deferred maintenance to just mean expand the scope of direction to staff to look into what the funding. Would be necessary. Yeah. I'm trying to decide. So if the council tonight gives direction to take the proposal to the planning commission, that would be just the basic design elements that have been discussed in a lot of detail. |
| 00:42:46.18 | Tula Biederman | would be necessary. |
| 00:42:58.80 | Tula Biederman | Correct. |
| 00:42:59.17 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | this third bullet we could direct staff to scope out more in cost, is that what? you're, |
| 00:43:08.74 | Lauren Umbertis | Yeah, it's more as an informational item to let the council know that we're looking at expending these resources to make the building look good. But there are other things that are not necessarily cosmetic, but we need to take a look at them. And so what we'll need to do is, with regard to the proposals and the presentation tonight, we need to take a look at some of those items and integrate them together so that we're not just putting tile over the leaking drain. |
| 00:43:08.91 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It's a great. |
| 00:43:40.11 | Lauren Umbertis | But if you want us to come back and start taking a look and really trying to figure out what what else is on this building. It's a much larger project, it's a much larger scope and But it's kind of a giant picture, if you will. So what we'd like to do though is take care of these because these are kind of unique items outside of the building. kind of shell, if you will. So we'd like to proceed with them. We know that we have a couple things that we need to do along with them. But it's kind of just trying to put it into your mind that there are other things on the building that are not simply tiling and throwing on some |
| 00:44:24.43 | Lauren Umbertis | of the people that are things. If that's clear. |
| 00:44:29.44 | Jill Hoffman | I think I have a follow-up question. So I think, Lauren... |
| 00:44:29.76 | Sergio Lima | I think. |
| 00:44:35.44 | Jill Hoffman | what correct me if I'm wrong but I think what you're you're trying to get at is um Sosso beautiful has come up with this plan that we've been talking about for about three years um but you also want us to be aware as a city council that this isn't just the only thing that we're looking at with City Hall and in doing some of these projects that are proposed we may have to look at some other maintenance issues on the buildings and decide as a city council whether or not we want to go forward those now or whether or not we want to wait on a bigger scope with regard to upgrading city hall, but that we also don't want to slow down the beautification plan that the social beautiful has if that's what if I've got that right that they're proposing at this point. I think that's |
| 00:45:15.56 | Lauren Umbertis | I think that's what I was trying to get at as well. |
| 00:45:17.87 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:45:17.89 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, your staff report says doing cosmetic work without addressing this other underlying problem would be irresponsible. |
| 00:45:25.07 | Lauren Umbertis | And that is very specific towards that southwest corner. And also, if you take a look at the bridge that's out here, it has some structural beams underneath it, throwing on some thin-set tile over it right now and calling it a day, yes, I believe that that would be irresponsible. In that particular area, we need to do that. Now, within this year's budget, we have $100,000 for doing the things that you've seen tonight. That may not be possible once we go out to that area and start opening it up and finding out what it costs. I've done some initial discussions with some waterproofing contractors, and they've given me numbers anywhere from $30,000 to $50,000 for those underlying repairs to get that back up. Now, some of that includes retiling it, and so we might be able to merge some of those numbers together, but that's what we need to do. And so when we take a look at this proposal, When we start going forward and then start pricing these items out and start looking at some of the underlying issues that we also need to take care of at the same time, we might not be able to get all five or six distinct items done within this fiscal year. We may have to push it off until the next one when additional funding comes available. So that's kind of where we need to take a look at. We can't just come in and just throw a sheet of paint on you know, on everything and just hope that the water doesn't come in anymore. I mean, that's what we need to take a look at. |
| 00:46:44.82 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I have a couple of follow-up questions on your budget. So your $100,000 estimate was a 2014 estimate, right? |
| 00:46:51.79 | Lauren Umbertis | It was based upon some of the numbers that were included in that very difficult to read chart and where some of the elements were still considered to be things that we're doing. So in the original scope, they were looking at doing some of those areas of tile work. They were looking at some of the handrail work, some of the beautification efforts. So I was taking a bunch of numbers from that original scope and putting them forward. And that's why I said it's a very rough estimate. We only had the current plans that we have now are about five or six pages. We'll definitely need to flesh those out, take a look at what else is going on in those areas, and see what's going on. But the idea behind the $100,000 was to take a look at what was originally proposed, what's being proposed right now, and seeing whether or not it would make sense that we could get a good portion of that completed in this year. |
| 00:47:41.84 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Has SWA given you a cost estimate for the plans that they've prepared? |
| 00:47:46.54 | Lauren Umbertis | Yeah. |
| 00:47:46.82 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:47:46.93 | Lauren Umbertis | Thank you. |
| 00:47:47.77 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | If the SWA plan turns out to be over budget, has SWA agreed to redesign at no additional expense to the city? |
| 00:47:59.14 | Lauren Umbertis | We haven't had that discussion. |
| 00:48:07.72 | Ray Withey | Madam Mayor. Yes. |
| 00:48:08.53 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes, go ahead. |
| 00:48:09.40 | Ray Withey | Thank you. I'm not sure. Timing-wise, when would be the, if you've got the go-ahead tonight to move forward to the Planning Commission, how long are you going to take to get drawings? When's it likely to go? When would you start then? When do we actually need to have this discussion about all the other components? Right. Because we are entering the budget process. Correct. Right? So that's so timing wise, so which year would we be in? And then the second is, I got the budget up here. Uh... there's we we had 65,000 for city hall waterproofing in painting did we use that or is that 65,000 still there in unencumbered. |
| 00:49:04.11 | Lauren Umbertis | I'd have to take another look at that. There were some changes with regard to some of the beautification efforts and waterproofing. I'd have to take a look, and I'd have to go back and ask. |
| 00:49:12.99 | Ray Withey | RIGHT. |
| 00:49:16.07 | Lauren Umbertis | Melanie. our finance director. |
| 00:49:17.83 | Ray Withey | Because you might find there's $65,000 there. |
| 00:49:20.33 | Lauren Umbertis | We might. |
| 00:49:20.34 | Ray Withey | Thank you. I say we might. |
| 00:49:21.93 | Lauren Umbertis | Right. |
| 00:49:22.39 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:49:22.59 | Lauren Umbertis | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:49:23.16 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:49:23.32 | Lauren Umbertis | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:49:24.66 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:49:24.68 | Lauren Umbertis | But, but, We'll have to take a look at that. |
| 00:49:28.75 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And to follow up on the budget, if the project comes in over the $100,000 budget, where are the additional funds that you would want to use to accomplish the project? |
| 00:49:41.51 | Lauren Umbertis | Well, again, we were taking a look at it. When I look at the project as a whole, I'm taking a look at it over the course of the next three to four years. And so the original budget that we received from SWA back in 2014 gave a very rough estimate of the work that they proposed for $301,000. Council has taken a look at that and through probably some discussion with us, has allocated $400,000 over the course of four years for that. And so the idea was that the improvements that we have shown here on the drawings, we would try to bring up as we entered into new fiscal years. direction that we received wasn't go forward and do everything all at once for $400,000. It was, I see these improvements and we would like to make these improvements over time. Using that estimate as that original basis. Again, the original basis was that color drawing that you saw, some other details. Not construction drawings, not anything beyond, I'd say, 35% completion. so they're very rough. Doesn't include some of the things that would need to happen, for instance, lighting improvements. So, I mean, it has some information on that, but that original estimate was given as a basis to say, City Council, this is what we think, this is what we'd like, we'd like to move forward on this. And then the next steps are engaging the services of SWA, which we did, to have them start doing this process. So where we stand right now is we've set aside this money, and now we're working with SWA to continue moving forward. They're clear on the budget because they originally generated that estimate. So that's what we need to do and continue to work with them and try to get what that drawing includes, try to get what we want to have happen because there are some elements in that drawing that may not, may not get approved. For instance, there was a suggestion of putting some steps leading from the plaza down into the grass. That may or may not happen. But those were the types of things that got put into that estimate in order to generate that number. So we still need to work with them, start working towards fleshing out some of these details on what we want to see on the exterior of the building. |
| 00:51:57.92 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | What is the purpose of the fence? |
| 00:52:01.20 | Lauren Umbertis | The purpose of the fence is beautification of the entire site. If you take a look at what we have around the perimeter, it's all chain link fence all the way around the perimeter. It's not very attractive. If you take a look at the fence that we have around the Robin Sweeney playground right now, it's a much more attractive type of fence. It is really just to increase the beauty of the perimeter of the building. and the site, not necessarily to create any further or better security. |
| 00:52:26.49 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, and my last question. You were involved with the Public Safety Center way back before the city hired you as an employee. And when that matter came to the Planning Commission in 2008 with respect to the brick pavers, there were issues raised regarding the safety because they're slippery, or they can be slippery when wet, and... |
| 00:52:49.63 | Sergio Lima | Thank you. |
| 00:52:49.64 | Tula Biederman | Yes. |
| 00:52:51.86 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | You had to come back to us with a plan for how to ensure that these brick pavers would not become a hazard, a trip and fall hazard during rainy, rainy weather and other conditions. |
| 00:53:07.97 | Lauren Umbertis | So I'll ask Patrick or Sergio, and you can give some information on brick paving in general, please. |
| 00:53:17.35 | Sergio Lima | So. I'm Sergio Lima, one of the associates at SWA, and I've been directing the work for this project. The actual pavers that we're installing are thin-set bricks. They're not the regular brick that you typically see. They do have a finish that is somewhat rough, so they should actually provide enough friction to avoid people slipping. If this is a particular concern, we can provide additional data in terms of the friction coefficient and even research type of paving that actually gives more security in that sense. |
| 00:53:53.38 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I only ask the question because we have a lot of elderly people who are not particularly sure. Of course. |
| 00:53:56.59 | Sergio Lima | Not. |
| 00:53:57.04 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 00:53:59.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | footed and other people not so elderly like me who are not particularly sure footed. Of course. Okay. Those are my questions. Any other questions? |
| 00:54:03.88 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 00:54:03.89 | Joe Burns | Of course. |
| 00:54:07.59 | Patrick Haslop | Thank you. |
| 00:54:07.66 | Joe Burns | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:54:07.93 | Patrick Haslop | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:54:08.13 | Joe Burns | Thank you. for Lauren. Does this 301,000 include stairs? going out to the lawn? |
| 00:54:17.02 | Lauren Umbertis | I know the drawing did, but I don't. The original proposal, the original estimate that was included, I believe does, in fact, include the cost for those stairs out in the front. |
| 00:54:27.98 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 00:54:28.03 | Joe Burns | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:54:28.21 | Lauren Umbertis | It does. Thank you. |
| 00:54:30.54 | Joe Burns | And again, that's not included in our current proposal right now. I didn't see that in there before. Okay. |
| 00:54:31.05 | Lauren Umbertis | IN OUR CURRENT PROPOSAL RIGHT |
| 00:54:36.31 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, if there are no more questions of staff, I'm going to open it up for public comment. I don't have any speaker cards for this matter. Is there anyone, member of the public, who would like to address this matter? All right, seeing none, I will close public comment and bring it up here for discussion. Who wants to lead off? |
| 00:55:00.07 | Jill Hoffman | Let's go. No one else want to sleep. |
| 00:55:00.61 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Great. |
| 00:55:01.89 | Jill Hoffman | So, We've been looking at this plan for three years, I think, or something like that. First of all, let me just say Sausalito Beautiful and their collaboration with the city, I think, is one of the success stories, huge success stories in Sausalito. Thank you to Shelby and creation of the Sauselio beautiful. If you haven't seen the I know you've seen the mediums because anybody driving out of town will see the mediums on the north side of town and they look great. I've received lots of positive comments for those. So nothing in this plan gives me pause. We've been looking at it for a while. Of course, as always, the devil is going to be in the details of the budget when it comes back to us and what it's going to cost out. Well, I have some reservations that, that, um, the cost in 2014 is going to be the actual cost as it comes back to us for this plan. when it comes back to City Council, my understanding is it will come back to us for approval? Yeah, okay. So those are, otherwise I think, you know, I think it's a lovely plan. Of course, we need to look at Any maintenance issues that we can take care of at the same time, in the same way that we looked at Robin Sweeney Park and sort of tried to fold in different plans to the extent that we could. So those are my comments. |
| 00:56:19.49 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks. Who wants to go next? |
| 00:56:22.56 | Joe Burns | I will I don't have anything more to add than that other than I support it as well. I mean, I think it's what we wanna see happen, at least in this backside with the wall and some of those elements are spot on. And so I look forward to those being presented and getting a cost analysis. feeling a little stung on some of this process we've gone through with the park I just want to you know dig a little deeper as we as we go into those um those numbers and I hate to get into chasing dollars because we committed to one thing and then finding out we have to go to do something else something else so I'd like a bigger picture up front financially but for the step we're being asked for tonight which is is getting it to Planning Commission I fully support that |
| 00:56:57.47 | Sergio Lima | something. |
| 00:57:09.11 | Jill Hoffman | I think that's a good question. Can I just add one thing on mine? Sure. This is an easy one. When you guys come back, if we could have a big picture on what we've done in the, like from Melanie on the budget, like |
| 00:57:10.47 | Sergio Lima | or just, |
| 00:57:23.85 | Unknown | who's not going to be. |
| 00:57:24.94 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I MEAN, I AGREE WITH THE TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE SPOKEN. I THINK THE FIRST PHASE AND WHAT WE WANT TO SEND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DESIGN REVIEW IS EXCELLENT. YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE A BIG ENHANCEMENT TO THE CIVIC CENTER. I THINK MY kind of following on with what has already been said my issue here is how the deferred maintenance really relates to this particular project and of the things noted in the staff report it seems like there's really one the waterproofing issues on the southwest entrance that are that's integrally involved with what is actually being proposed and these other deferred maintenance issues seem like just deferred maintenance issues on the building that don't necessarily relate to this particular design review project so I'm just a little, you know, I think it's a little unclear how those relate and how from a budget perspective, deal with those, but if I understand correctly, we can move the process along with the planning commission and then have a discussion on deferred maintenance. At a later time, at least as it relates to the things that don't overlap with the proposed project. So I'm in favor. |
| 00:58:37.24 | Ray Withey | Yes, so I would agree, let's move this and see what the planning commission thinks about this. When we know What? the Thank you. scope of the new, of the design following planning commission review, Then we're gonna have, I think, a bit more of a tougher decision, because it's gonna be, Do we push the button on this knowing that There are some things where we have to do the deferred maintenance. And that's gonna be a budget issue, that's gonna be a budget issue. Um, Just to give you a perspective, you've got to remember that when this was originally done, Um, you know, there was a rough estimate, and so We literally just said, OK. Let's make that 100,000 a year then. With no other logic than let's make it 100,000 a year because the total number is about this. So let's not think there's some major sophisticated analysis as to how we got 100,000 a year. It was, we needed to spread it out over four years to make the budget work. Okay. |
| 00:59:59.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I have a slightly different view. So I, too, am very appreciative of Sausalito Beautiful's collaboration with the city and with all the good work that's been accomplished around town. But I agree with staff and with another council member that the challenge is the budget. And I think we should at least get a cost estimate from SWA, the designer, for what he believes these improvements will cost before we take them to the planning commission. If our own designer thinks that these improvements will, if he costs them out and they end up having a cost estimate of $250,000, we should be doing some re-engineering before we waste the staff time and the planning commission time. to design something that's only going to have to be re-engineered after it goes out for Um, And so I think we could spend a little bit of time and a little bit of money now to validate a cost estimate. And this is something, I am a municipal lawyer representing numerous public agencies around the state, and this is something most public agencies do. They get a cost estimate regarding the proposed plans before they go through the entitlement process to be sure that they're not totally building a Taj Mahal when they only can afford a Motel 6. So my recommendation would be to just get a rough estimate, get confirmation from our consultant that they have designed something to our budget. Once we have that confirmation, then I totally would agree with taking it to the planning commission. However, I do agree with Lauren's statement in the staff report that it would be irresponsible to undertake purely cosmetic improvements if the roof is going to leak or if, you know, we're going to have mold because of a waterproofing issue at our doorway. And so I think we have to be responsible about the way in which we spend the city's money. With respect to the BRIC, Brick is expensive. I'm not sure why we want brick. Why not painted concrete? But that's really an issue for the Planning Commission in my view. That's not something that we need to weigh in. specifically at this point, but I'd want to see the friction coefficient to fully understand that that's going to create a safe surface. I certainly think the plans are beautiful, so kudos on the plans and those are my thoughts. |
| 01:02:35.19 | Ray Withey | Madam Mayor, the only comment I would make is that, whereas I understand going out and getting more estimates would seem theoretically to be prudent, What do you do when the Planning Commission changes something? You've changed the budget. The Planning Commission has no jurisdiction over the budget. It's not their role. We're trying to hear what they want to say about the design. So if we're going to now have play leapfrogging estimates, whereby you have an estimate, Planning Commission says something, you then should go and get another estimate. Well, you could end up spending the project money. So. |
| 01:03:23.82 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, I mean, the Planning Commission, but the Planning, well, who knows what the Planning Commission's going to do? |
| 01:03:28.67 | Ray Withey | I mean, the Planning Commission makes decisions without financial consequences because it's not their role to have those financial consequences. And so, in a sense, you almost need to know what the Planning Commission can approve, is going to approve for a project, so you can realistically understand its scope before you go and get any solid numbers. |
| 01:03:31.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Correct. |
| 01:03:49.64 | Ray Withey | So it's like a chicken and egg. It is a chicken and egg for sure. |
| 01:03:49.90 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. It is a chicken and egg for sure. We have had considerable consternation up here on this dais in the last year because several projects for which the Planning Commission approved designs came in significantly over budget and none of them are proceeding at the moment because we have to identify additional funds. So it is definitely a chicken and an egg and I'm trying to forestall. that issue. |
| 01:04:13.78 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So just to follow up on that, maybe we could ask SWA or staff how much it would take to get a cost estimate at this point. I mean, if it's an expensive process and there have to be detailed design drawings done, then that is it. Major... |
| 01:04:28.09 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm talking about a rough order of magnitude cost estimate. |
| 01:04:30.41 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. So if that's possible, Ann will give us useful information. |
| 01:04:34.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | You speak. |
| 01:04:37.16 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, because we have a 2014 budget. Right. So it's really a cost escalation issue if the 2014 numbers were correct. |
| 01:04:51.20 | Lauren Umbertis | So if it's OK, we can work with SWA on working on that. And try to get some rough estimate numbers. Again, what we have right now. isn't very detailed. SWA isn't necessarily as familiar with some of the deferred maintenance issues, so we need to bring them up to speed. They'll have to be included in any set of plans going forward. But we can work with them before and kind of in the process of getting our design review application put together. So we'll make sure that we have that conversation with them. Clearly SWA involved with us on other projects, knows what's going on. As a local architectural firm, landscape architectural firm, they know some of the challenges that we're dealing with on other projects. So we understand the issue here. I do want to make one point, and this is just only to kind of toot everyone's horn and SWAs. SWA created the original plan pro bono, so we're That was a significant portion of budget that we didn't have to spend. I just want to make sure that that's better. |
| 01:05:53.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, thank you for that. I was not aware of that, Lauren. Thank you for that. They did a lot. |
| 01:05:55.60 | Lauren Umbertis | They did a lot of that work in the beginning. I just want to make sure that they get recognized for that. That piece of it would have been a significant, but I just wanted to. Remind everything. |
| 01:06:06.43 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So may I suggest that if the cost estimate comes in within 10, or even 20% of the $100,000 that then they proceed to take it to the Planning Commission without having to come back to us? |
| 01:06:21.59 | Tula Biederman | And they have that continuous scenario right now in 2017. |
| 01:06:24.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, they have a 20% contingency. |
| 01:06:25.89 | Lauren Umbertis | Yeah, we'll have to take it. If I may, I'm sorry for interrupting. What we will do is, you know, there is the There is the beautification budget. that we want to stay focused on, and that's what SWA's responsibility is. And so when we do that estimate, we find some of those other items that we need to do. So we'll have to work to try to separate those out so that we don't punish SWA for things that we need to take care of that are outside of the scope that we've talked about. And I also want to remind Vice Mayor Burns, if you take a look on that budget that you can't read within your packet, it is in the lower right-hand corner that talks about the steps, the demolition, and... I found $4,600. Is that right? |
| 01:07:06.96 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:07:07.01 | Lauren Umbertis | I think that that was the number, and then there's some handrails and things like that. |
| 01:07:11.01 | Joe Burns | Yeah, so I would not have a comfort in that number. Thank you. Thank you. . |
| 01:07:14.72 | Lauren Umbertis | Can you build some stairs like this? |
| 01:07:18.05 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So is that acceptable if it's within |
| 01:07:19.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | . |
| 01:07:20.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | or 20%. |
| 01:07:20.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | you |
| 01:07:21.04 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:07:21.05 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And that, yes, within 10 or 20%, including the design review and not the deferred maintenance. Correct. |
| 01:07:27.08 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Review. Correct, not the deferred maintenance. And then can we ask that you come back to us, Lauren, to answer the question that Council Member Withee raised about whether we have $65,000 still in the budget to address some of that deferred maintenance? |
| 01:07:43.33 | Lauren Umbertis | Thank you. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. |
| 01:07:44.22 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. Is that acceptable to everybody? |
| 01:07:47.28 | Ray Withey | Yeah, one thing I would add is that during our budget process, I think I think it would be prudent when we start going through the gory details of the capital improvement plan. That we have a real hard, realistic look at the overall deferred maintenance of this building. And we'd be realistic about it and then decide to help with our decision making. I'm all for that. |
| 01:08:22.72 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so you have the direction you need, Lauren? There's no motion for this. You just wanted to get direction from staff. |
| 01:08:29.52 | Lauren Umbertis | That's fine, if we're all good to go, I think what I heard is that- By consensus. It's okay to start proceeding towards design review documents, concurrently looking at estimates. |
| 01:08:32.38 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | by consensus. |
| 01:08:37.18 | Lauren Umbertis | that need to be within a certain range. Returning back here to answer a question about whether or not there's a hidden $65,000 somewhere. |
| 01:08:44.18 | Joe Burns | And to end where you started, thank you to Sassilo Beautiful and your work on all you've done for this and SWA for their pro bono work. So thank you. And thank you for your support. |
| 01:08:53.11 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right. Thanks, everybody. |
| 01:08:57.21 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, with that we'll move on to item 6B, allocation of an item not to exceed $6,500 for the execution of community events to celebrate the city's of Sausalito's 125th birthday. We'll welcome Julie Myers. Happy New Year, Julie. |
| 01:09:12.85 | Julie Myers | Happy New Year, Madam Mayor, Council, community members. |
| 01:09:27.21 | Julie Myers | Okay, so I think we all need to say happy birthday to the city of Sausalito since it is a new year and 2018 means that we're 125 years old. But the birthday's not until September, so I'll make you guys not sing happy birthday today. Okay. So we put together a committee to plan what we were going to do for birthday and we formed a committee and we brainstormed ideas and we narrowed those down and started planning This is our committee, we have a few of them in the house today. My posse is here. So thank you for coming. Um, The first thing that the committee really wanted to do was a scavenger hunt, and they wanted to make it fresh and fun and something that a lot of people could do, and so we narrowed it down to some sort of photo scavenger hunt. And then in my... Research we found a scavenger hunt app that has challenges available that are photo sketched, photo challenges, QR code challenges, scanning, the GPS challenges, and the question and answers. And this is, this scavenger hunt would run for 30 days, and it would be 30 days prior to our culminating event, which would be our party. people would earn points for their challenges and there would be a leaderboard and a photo stream and just kind of. A lot of fun is what we'd like. It would culminate on Saturday, September 15th, 2018 at Marinship Park. From one to three, we would have a big blowout birthday party. And the party would involve the scavenger hunt. We'd have a bounce house, cupcakes and ice cream, and a presentation. Thank you. And let's talk about the bounce house. This is really fun. It's the world's largest, biggest bounce house. It's 10,000 square feet. It takes over a 100-foot, square-foot footprint, and they actually use a 200-square-foot print because they bring in other bounce houses and cornhole and sack races. So it's a big event. It goes up to 50 feet high in some places. So it's quite big of a bounce house. We would have this exclusively and free to all Sausalito residents for an hour and a half. And during that time, we'd also supply cupcakes and free cupcakes and free ice cream and make it just a big birthday party. The ice cream right now, we already have a sponsor for. Michael Lappert's is going to take care of us with that. So this is our budget for the big bounce house. As you can see, the ice cream is taken care of. Lappert's is going to take care of that. And this is just something that the committee has kind of decided upon. We weren't really sure how many people. We're going to be there, so the number we're asking for is a little bit higher. 6,500 is the highest we would go. We would not spend more than that, but you can see this is quite lower than that. But it might be that we are expecting more than 300 people. Everything along here can be sponsored as well, so we will be seeking sponsors to help pay for this. We have not, we did not have a contract with the big bounce house right now, so this is our plan B budget. And it's where we'd bring in several small bounce houses, bring in a band. It does cost more because of the band and the sound engineer and other elements that we'd be bringing in. And during the presentation, we'd all sing happy birthday to Sausalito, give out awards for the people who've completed the scavenger hunt, and have some dignitaries give speeches. And so thank you. |
| 01:13:29.82 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you, Julie. Any questions of Julie? |
| 01:13:32.47 | Joe Burns | I think we need to go over this budget. All right. |
| 01:13:34.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 01:13:34.89 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 01:13:34.97 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:13:35.04 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 01:13:35.80 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:13:35.91 | Tula Biederman | you |
| 01:13:35.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:13:37.15 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 01:13:37.97 | Julie Myers | you |
| 01:13:38.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:13:38.06 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So in all seriousness, I did have a question about the budget. So it sounds like it's about $4 a cupcake. Almost $5. |
| 01:13:44.30 | Julie Myers | Yes, they're fancy. They're nice cupcakes. They're about $3.23 and a quarter. So, yeah. Okay. Okay. She |
| 01:13:55.96 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I've done some cupcake shopping. We can have you. We bite. Okay. Well, let's talk later. |
| 01:14:00.77 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, okay. Thank you. |
| 01:14:03.27 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | That's hot. |
| 01:14:03.64 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It seems high for, you know, I mean, if it's a question of how many people can we give free cupcakes to versus quality. Anyway, interesting. All right, any other questions? I've gotten cupcakes for a lot less for my kids' birthday that are very good. |
| 01:14:12.94 | Sergio Lima | Thank you. |
| 01:14:13.02 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:14:13.06 | Sergio Lima | Bye. Thank you. |
| 01:14:13.24 | Ray Withey | I'm sorry. |
| 01:14:13.33 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right. |
| 01:14:13.97 | Ray Withey | I've gotten some questions. Okay. |
| 01:14:16.48 | Sergio Lima | Thank you. |
| 01:14:20.36 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | No, that's it. |
| 01:14:21.17 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:14:21.34 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. |
| 01:14:21.81 | Ray Withey | Thank you. Thank you. Could I ask, are we Are you telling us about this for you know, because it's interesting and we're going to have this celebration in the fall, You're asking for 6,500 bucks. |
| 01:14:37.02 | Julie Myers | Exactly, number two. |
| 01:14:38.76 | Ray Withey | Okay. |
| 01:14:39.45 | Julie Myers | I'm like, |
| 01:14:40.38 | Ray Withey | All right, okay. Now you guys, I know, Parks and Rec has one of the tightest well-controlled budgets in the city. And so, you know, you know exactly then that you're saying you don't have 6,500 anywhere. Correct. |
| 01:14:57.96 | Julie Myers | Right, correct. |
| 01:14:58.82 | Ray Withey | Okay. |
| 01:15:01.10 | Julie Myers | And this is something for the whole city, and this isn't just put on by Parks and Rec. This is the city would be throwing a birthday party for itself. They want to spend the money now and put it in the budget in July. |
| 01:15:04.34 | Ray Withey | Yeah. |
| 01:15:09.52 | Ray Withey | No, I understand. Yeah, I understand. |
| 01:15:12.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:15:14.04 | Ray Withey | . |
| 01:15:14.08 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:15:14.09 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:15:14.13 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 01:15:14.14 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:15:14.18 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:15:14.19 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:15:14.30 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:15:14.33 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 01:15:14.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:15:14.38 | Ray Withey | Thank you. Just wanted to make sure. |
| 01:15:16.68 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. All right, any other questions of staff? I'll open it up to public comment. I have no speaker cards. Is there anyone who wants to comment on this? Yes, come on up. |
| 01:15:31.44 | Alice Merrill | I'm Alice Merrill. I have two questions, beside the cost of the cupcakes. The bouncy hat, where's Marinship Park? |
| 01:15:43.69 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It's for the art festival. |
| 01:15:45.68 | Alice Merrill | Oh, okay. The bouncy house, from my point of view, I would not get in it, so I would not be... I would not be able to participate in that, a huge bouncy house. And nor would some small children be able to participate in that. That would be really dangerous. So even though it sounds like a lot of fun, and maybe it really is for the 12 to 43 something people, I don't know, I don't want to be a sour grapes, but. It sounds a little dangerous to me. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:16:27.53 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks Alice. Any other public comment? I'm going to close public comment on this matter and bring it up here for discussion. |
| 01:16:37.90 | Joe Burns | I'll start. I think it's great. I think the committee alone is worth $6,500. That is a great committee you put together for this. I mean, there's some talent there, so that's worth the fee of admission right there. So I'm supporting at this point. I'm going to start here with something else. |
| 01:17:00.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, I'm supportive as well. I do think Alice Merrill did make a good point that the party should be billed as something that's interesting for all segments of the community to attend so that if there are some other low cost, I mean, like alternatives and games and things that aren't geared towards just one age group, that would be great because we do want everyone to feel welcome and to feel like it's something that they want to attend. |
| 01:17:32.59 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Other comments or I'll entertain a motion. So moved. |
| 01:17:36.52 | Joe Burns | So second. |
| 01:17:38.17 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All in favor? Aye. That motion carries 5-0. Congratulations. Thank you. |
| 01:17:39.13 | Joe Burns | Aye. |
| 01:17:48.55 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. Next on our item is. Our first public hearing, this is item 5A, an ordinance to extend the interim urgency ordinance number 1248 establishing marijuana regulations for 10 months and 15 days pursuant to state law. AND, AND, And we'll welcome Joshua Montemayor. Happy New Year, Joshua. |
| 01:18:17.78 | Joshua Montemayor | Happy New Year Mayor Cox. Good evening council members. Before you again with marijuana regulations. So let's jump right into it. So this evening, we are going to discuss adopting an extension to the interim urgency ordinance that was adopted on November 28, 2017, which establishes our current marijuana regulations. And such an extension, if approved tonight, will allow the interim regulations to be in place for an additional 10 months and 15 days, or basically until November 24th of this year. |
| 01:18:56.14 | Joshua Montemayor | So I'll give you a brief refresher on why are we considering marijuana regulations. And all of this really started last year in January 2016, or I should say, yeah, It feels like last year, but in 2016, Prop 64 was passed, legalizing recreational marijuana, or commonly known as adult-use marijuana. And prior to that, only medical cannabis regulations were in place. So in June of 2017, the state decided to merge both of those regulations for both medicinal and recreational marijuana into one regulatory framework. And so in October of 2017, the legislative subcommittee of Sausalito met in to discuss the marijuana regulations. And with the feedback given to staff, the draft regulations were created, which are in place today. And now here we are in 2018, and the state will begin issuing, I'm not sure if they have issued any or not, I believe there is 100 licenses already issued, but they will begin, those are temporary licenses, And I would like to point out that our interim regulations have already been shared with the state. So they are aware of our regulations and I have not been called by the state for any review of any application. |
| 01:20:16.56 | Joshua Montemayor | So to refresh also what our interim marijuana regulations are through the urgency ordinance that was adopted, we prohibit all commercial marijuana activity. We limit the cultivation of up to six indoor plants for personal use. All outdoor cultivation is banned. Delivery of recreational marijuana is prohibited, but we do allow the delivery of medical marijuana. This means if the delivery service of medical cannabis originates from outside of South Salido, we permit that to be delivered into South Salido, but with an appropriate registration process, which I will get into later of my presentation. |
| 01:21:00.25 | Joshua Montemayor | So what are the reasons behind extending the interim regulations? So the regs that have been put into place are only in effect for 45 days pursuant to Government Code 65858. But the same government code allows the city to extend the urgency ordinance for an additional 10 months and 15 days. So therefore, if the city council wishes to extend the interim regulations, these would be in place until November 24th of 2018, and the extension will allow staff and City Council to really understand any feedback from the community, starting with the survey results I'm sure many of you have seen and hopefully have taken. And should the Council also wish to further the outreach, any further information gathered would help us to consider and propose permanent regulations. Once permanent regulations have been drafted, the Planning Commission will review the regulations and eventually come before again to the City Council. And all this will take place within the extension window. And the intent would be to come back before the expiration date of November 24. So here is an outreach timeline To date, we have done multiple Thank you. outreach methods, such as opening up a survey on Open City Hall or Peak Democracy. We've created a special edition of The Currents, which was distributed, and Hot Topics page was created. We posted information about the survey onto Nextdoor, and also the Marin IJ actually reported us, reported us, the Marin IJ did say that we posted a survey on our website. So a lot of outreach has been done. And if I could quickly give a shout out to our city librarian and communications director, who spearheaded all of our communication with marijuana. Without all of that, I would not have this data to share with you today. So thanks, Abbott. And if you have any specific questions about the, the survey, Abbott could answer them for you, but I will go over them briefly right now. So here's what we got. These questions that were asked about the regulations, these questions were aligned with the regulations that have been put into place. And there was an interesting comment made on the survey platform where someone stated, and I quote, whoever created the survey wrote it in a very biased manner against marijuana, especially question number three, which is third on this list, close quotations. But I just wanted to state for the record that these questions were created after we adopted the interim regulations. So basically these survey questions are drafted based on what we currently have adopted, not for any biased reasons. And so looking at the results of the survey, overwhelmingly the numbers do show that the community supports marijuana activity. The platform used to take the survey was on peak democracy, so we have the results shown in the middle from peak democracy and to the right from next door responses. And just put the numbers in perspective, there was a total of 735 responses. And 283 of those responses came from registered users. In comparison to Fairfax, they also released a survey, they only had 183 registered responses. So we've generated a great amount of feedback from the community based on these survey questions. And just to clarify what a registered user is, that is someone who registered for an account and someone who registers provides their name, address, email address, and they also have to verify their email account. So what we found here, 75% support the delivery of recreational marijuana. That's consistent with what was posted on Nextdoor, where 82% also support the delivery of recreational marijuana. In comparison, we have medical marijuana, which 92.9% would want to see it allowed. very low in comparison. 7.1% does not want to see the delivery of medical marijuana. The reason why we didn't post that same question to Nextdoor is because we felt that the results from Peak Democracy was overwhelmingly in support to allow it. So that's simply the reason why we just didn't post it onto Nextdoor. And we have 68.6% agree that we should not ban retail, and 82.2% say they want to allow personal use cultivation outdoors. And just a reminder, by state law, personal growth is limited up to six plants indoors. So, |
| 01:25:54.40 | Joshua Montemayor | So the top three marijuana activities that survey participants said should be allowed, I have listed right here, with 96.5% saying retail sales of medical marijuana should be allowed, 88.4% saying retail sales of recreational marijuana should be allowed, and 53.8% saying warehouse space for marijuana distribution should be allowed. These are the top three. |
| 01:26:22.82 | Joshua Montemayor | So in addition tonight, staff is seeking council direction on how to further our outreach, if the survey was already not enough, and what else we can do to conduct during this extension period. Like I had mentioned earlier, the town of Fairfax sponsored a cannabis workshop last month, geared to its community members and decision makers, and video of that is available online. And if the council wishes to do so, we could also do a similar workshop. |
| 01:26:55.82 | Joshua Montemayor | So just to give some back context on what's going on with the state and federal right now. As we all know, marijuana is still evolving. And the conversation over regulation will not end anytime soon. Just this past December, the state adopted emergency regulations that will expire on June 6, 2018. Basically, this is similar to what we just did, where they adopted regulations before the January 1st deadline. And so almost to the tail end of 2017, they were still drafting their state regulations. So hence, that's why it was adopted as emergency regulations until they can put permanent regulations in place this year. And I spoke with the state, and they're currently working on permanent regulations. But on the flip side, not really flip side, but as you can see, the federal government just rescinded the coal memo, which now creates uncertainty as to what marijuana activity that's regulated by states is what's going to happen to that. But BCC, or the Bureau of Cannabis Control, said they will continue to move forward with the state's regulatory process, covering both medicinal and adult use. So regardless of what the federal government has done, they're still going to push forward with our regulatory process. |
| 01:28:16.39 | Joshua Montemayor | So as I mentioned earlier in the presentation, the interim regulations that we've adopted here in Sausalito do allow for medical delivery of marijuana. And this is pursuant to section 10.47030.E3. Any person or entity delivering medical cannabis or medical cannabis products in accordance with this subsection E shall register with the city of Sausalito. So the city council has directed staff to develop a registration process but however you like to note how the city does not have a registration process for any type of delivery business that currently operates in Sausalito such as Safeway or online food delivery such as Blue Apron or Amazon. So staff understands that the state licensing requirements are closely examined. and are comprehensive, and at a minimum, the registration of medical marijuana delivery businesses in Sausalito should be tracked, and we do intend to maintain a list of delivery businesses, vehicles within the city, should there be any problem that we need to report. So that will be done through a registered list, if we choose to continue on with the registration process. Other options to make the registration process more more tight, we could require that delivery vehicles be marked by standard logo. We could require delivery persons to wear lanyards, et cetera, et cetera. The list could go on. But in the end of it all, the staff does recommend that we do more research before we actually implement a full registration process. And create a more defined process considering staff resources to implement the registration process. And considering also the registration fees to cover administrative costs and enforcement. |
| 01:30:13.41 | Joshua Montemayor | So the extension would be possible through government code section 65858, which will allow the city council to adopt as a measure to extend our interim marijuana ordinance. And in order to extend the marijuana regulations, we would need a 4-5 vote this evening. Which brings me to my ending slide. Staff recommends that the city council approve the ordinance provided in your packets to extend the interim marijuana regulations for ten months and 15 days up to and including November 24th, 2018. Also to please provide direction on further outreach and any other direction you may want to provide. And that concludes my presentation, thank you very much. |
| 01:30:59.63 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Any questions? |
| 01:31:01.03 | Jill Hoffman | of staff. |
| 01:31:02.22 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:31:02.60 | Jill Hoffman | I do. Joshua, thanks. Great presentation. Thanks. In a very fast evolving area. So thanks for all your hard work and updating the |
| 01:31:02.76 | Vicki Nichols | Yeah, I do. |
| 01:31:14.53 | Jill Hoffman | updating the presentation. I think as of today, there was some additional information. So my first question is about the survey. And from your presentation, the staff report, of the total responses, it looked I think the staff report said, I think you said, there are only 259 were from inside Sausalito. And by that you mean that somebody who registered online voluntarily identified them cells as a saucy to resident is that how that works. |
| 01:31:43.76 | Joshua Montemayor | That is correct, that they registered with the South Slido address. Gotcha. Gotcha. |
| 01:31:47.31 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, and so then, but the results under here that were provided, those weren't corrected out for only reflecting Sausli or residents that the results reflected the total 675 or everybody that responded. |
| 01:32:02.81 | Joshua Montemayor | No, it just reflected the registered users in South Salado. So those numbers that you see in your staff report and the results that I showed you today were numbers of registered users in South Salado, not all registered users. If you add the additional registered, every single registered users, I believe it's only like 19 or 20 more. So not that much more than |
| 01:32:22.98 | Jill Hoffman | SO I WOULD I ADDED THEM UP AND for each line like the first line was 455 and the second line was 566. And so it looks to me like there's a substantial |
| 01:32:31.08 | Vicki Nichols | Right. |
| 01:32:34.89 | Jill Hoffman | number above the 259 that was from inside Sausalito. But I'M NOT TRYING TO CATCH YOU OUT. I, it appears to me that there were additional people that were included in the total survey results. What I would be interested in is seeing a survey result of just the 259 of people that voluntarily identified themselves as being inside Sausalito. Now, there's no way to actually confirm that. either right I mean Somebody could just say, well, I'm just going on Zillow, and I'm registering, and I'm picking this, you know. |
| 01:33:09.50 | Joshua Montemayor | Sure. |
| 01:33:09.69 | Jill Hoffman | Is that correct? |
| 01:33:10.57 | Joshua Montemayor | I'm not sure myself either. I think Abbott would be a great person to answer that question. But based on experience that we've posted on Peak Democracy, I believe many users that use that as a platform to voice their opinions. I don't think they would go through the extra time to create multiple accounts. And I think by the number of... survey takers that came out on Peak Democracy, you kind of see the same results emanating on Nextdoor. So those results are kind of parallel to each other. |
| 01:33:48.06 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, got it. |
| 01:33:48.84 | Joshua Montemayor | you |
| 01:33:49.04 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay, and then my next question is, is to whoever on the staff can answer this. So even if we extend even if we extend you know the interim uh, you know, |
| 01:34:06.96 | Tula Biederman | THE END OF |
| 01:34:07.77 | Jill Hoffman | action that we did for another 10 months and 15 days if we come to a point earlier than that that we want to readdress this we can always do that is that right. Correct. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Joe? |
| 01:34:20.65 | Joe Burns | Yeah. clarity on that last part, on the registered users, Those are just registered. we could have non-registered users from Sausalito as well, they just didn't register, correct? Yes, that's correct. |
| 01:34:32.66 | Joshua Montemayor | Yes, that's correct. So that's a complete different data set that I can provide. |
| 01:34:35.97 | Joe Burns | So it's not that they're testosterone or not. |
| 01:34:36.01 | Joshua Montemayor | I think. |
| 01:34:38.60 | Joe Burns | Is that what you're trying to get to? |
| 01:34:40.26 | Jill Hoffman | No, at this point the only results that I find particularly compelling are people that we can determine are people that are residents of Sausalito. I'm not particularly interested in an overall survey of people that don't live in Sausalito about what should go on in Sausalito. What I'm interested in as a city council member is what do the people of Sausalito feel about this issue. Generally, right? But we haven't gotten down into the weeds of, do you want this dispensary next to your house? Or do you want this dispensary along a school corridor? So those are completely different set of questions that we haven't got yet. Yeah, but I would say that would be within the 10 months. If we extend this, then we would do a much deeper dive into those particular issues. |
| 01:35:14.04 | Joe Burns | So we haven't got to yet. |
| 01:35:22.65 | Joe Burns | in sticking with the survey, |
| 01:35:27.54 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Your microphone, but you're not speaking. |
| 01:35:28.52 | Joe Burns | It's on. The top three marijuana activities that survey participants said should be allowed, and we have the 192 votes, those are of the people who... said yes to another question, correct? Yes, that's correct. So there will be one more line in that is that of the yes |
| 01:35:44.85 | Joshua Montemayor | Yes, that's correct. |
| 01:35:49.93 | Joshua Montemayor | Yes, that's true. |
| 01:35:49.97 | Joe Burns | Yes, that's good. Yes, voters, 192 or 90. So it was not 96% of survey participants. |
| 01:35:56.04 | Joshua Montemayor | No, it was of the people that voted yes. That is correct. Right. |
| 01:35:59.18 | Joe Burns | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:35:59.54 | Joshua Montemayor | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:35:59.70 | Joe Burns | I'm not sure. In dealing with the state and having talked to them, the licensing it sounds like already since they've called you, will they make available to you applications they receive of delivery operators in a given radius, say a 50, 60 mile radius that we can ascertain would probably be the people delivering. So we can even create our own database of the 10, 12, 15 companies that are more likely to be delivering to our area. |
| 01:36:29.78 | Joshua Montemayor | So you're saying the ones that would want to deliver Thank you. |
| 01:36:32.44 | Joe Burns | Or if they pull a delivery license with the state, and they have a delivery, they have a business location, I don't think somebody 200 miles away is gonna deliver to us, but if they're in the greater Bay Area or North Bay, 50, 60 miles, they'll probably have a business plan to include Southern Marin in their delivery program. |
| 01:36:35.01 | Joshua Montemayor | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:36:35.35 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 01:36:49.72 | Joe Burns | We probably already can find out based on the state licensing who's gonna be delivering legally to Sausalito. |
| 01:36:56.62 | Joshua Montemayor | Sure. |
| 01:36:57.01 | Joe Burns | So that would be the start of our registration processes. And I don't think there'll probably be more than 20 companies. |
| 01:36:57.37 | Joshua Montemayor | So that would be |
| 01:37:02.63 | Tula Biederman | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:37:03.00 | Joe Burns | We already know some of them have been medical. I mean, we don't really have to wait for somebody to proactively call us. We could, working with the state, figure out who's going to deliver. |
| 01:37:12.49 | Joshua Montemayor | That's absolutely correct. And I also would like to point out that I also spoke with Weedmaps. I'm not sure if you guys have heard of the Weedmaps platform, but they are basically like Yelp for marijuana use businesses. And any businesses that would want to deliver into Sausalito, operate out of Sausalito, anything like that, Weedmaps could put them on their platform. But the government affairs person from Weedmaps spoke with me saying that Thank you. operate out of San Cedo, anything like that, Weedmaps could put them on their platform. But the government affairs person from Weedmaps spoke with me saying that that would not be the case if we don't allow marijuana in our city. Thank you. |
| 01:37:48.23 | Jill Hoffman | Joshua, can you repeat that again? Yeah. Your last sentence. |
| 01:37:52.07 | Joshua Montemayor | So. If a marijuana business would want to operate in South Salido or to deliver into South Salido, and they were to reach out to WeedMaps saying like, hey, we want our business to be on the map so that South Salido knows that we are there, WeedMaps would cross-reference with us also to double check. So I basically have two parties I'd be working with, plus the state, and WeedMaps, which is the biggest marijuana platform for users, yeah. |
| 01:38:23.45 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I just have a follow-up question. Thank you. |
| 01:38:25.93 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:38:25.96 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It's a good thing. |
| 01:38:26.03 | Jill Hoffman | going to say other questions. Go ahead. |
| 01:38:27.55 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Yeah, a follow up question. So does the state license delivery services? specifically, or just... Thank you. |
| 01:38:36.27 | Joshua Montemayor | No. |
| 01:38:36.61 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | and It's... Just sale and distribution? |
| 01:38:38.87 | Joshua Montemayor | Yeah, sealed in distribution. So I mean, well, it's based on M or P permits. So M is medical and then P is for personal use permits. There's a range of licenses that they do distribute, but there's not a specific one for delivery. |
| 01:38:56.28 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, I'll just note for the record that there's someone in the audience that disagrees with that response. But they can have a chance at public comment to address that. And so you answered my second question was if someone does get a permit, it would be distinguished between recreational and medical. Okay, and then a question for the city attorney is, is an option, |
| 01:39:15.10 | Sergio Lima | Thank you. |
| 01:39:22.51 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | this evening to change or amend the interim ordinance or is our only option to extend it? |
| 01:39:30.81 | Mary Wagner | You can also make modifications to the regulations tonight if you. |
| 01:39:34.68 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And does that send us back to the original 45-day clock or do we stay on this 10 month and 15 days clock? |
| 01:39:40.35 | Mary Wagner | Or do we... I think if you were, it depends on what you do. So if you were to ban an additional item, then I think that might trigger a 45 day. This has been a noticed item, so if you're gonna modify the regulations to say allow something that isn't currently allowed, I think that falls within the 10 month and 15 days. |
| 01:39:48.80 | Sergio Lima | THE CITY IS A CITY IS A CITY |
| 01:40:04.36 | Mary Wagner | You could do that tonight. You would need the same four-fifths vote. but you could do that tonight. |
| 01:40:09.79 | Steve Moore | Okay. |
| 01:40:10.03 | Mary Wagner | And if I could address your prior question about the type of license that you need to deliver. It's my understanding, and we can do a deeper review of this, but it's people who have a retail license who can also deliver, so they can sell from their retail location, say, for example, in San Rafael. They could also have a delivery component of that business that delivers outside of the San Rafael jurisdiction to other jurisdictions that allow the delivery of marijuana. They also have to differentiate between medical marijuana and recreational or personal use marijuana, and there are restrictions on those delivery vehicles. There's a fact sheet that the state puts out that lists them kind of succinctly, about the hours of delivery, what it has to be contained in, the amount that can be carried in any delivery vehicle. And that the retailer themselves has to be able to access and determine where those vehicles are at all times. So there's a lot of regulation in place. around delivery through the state level as well. |
| 01:41:08.53 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, great, that's really helpful. And then my last question was just in terms of additional outreach, and this has already been touched upon, I think you mentioned the workshop. Do you think, and I guess this is a question for the director of communications as well, do you think additional survey methods would be helpful. or do you feel like the survey reached the maximum number of likely responders? |
| 01:41:38.37 | Joshua Montemayor | Sure. As Council Member Hoffman mentioned earlier, I think there's still more questions we have to ask in terms of where we would want them to be located. I think this just touches upon do we want to allow in South Salido. I do believe the survey questions could do a lot more. We could get a lot more deeper into them. |
| 01:41:59.95 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, great. Ray. |
| 01:42:04.09 | Ray Withey | Yeah, so I have a bunch of questions. So I think the first is, actually I don't have a bunch, I only have a few, thinking about it. The first is, Um... Do, um, |
| 01:42:24.81 | Ray Withey | There's a clear distinction, isn't there, between distribution licenses and retail delivery licenses. They're not the same thing, right? the regulation of distribution, in other words, which the state has put a whole bunch of regulations around, is about moving product from farms or warehouses to locations to be sold, right? That's what distribution is. And by the way, I'm going off this, which is the... Bureau of Cannabis Control fact sheet is an eight page thing. I started plowing through the 177 page list of regulations and I decided my flipping got very fast near the end. So I ended up resorting to this. Um, I notice you mentioned something like, so have we looked at and our city attorney started briefly going there. Have we looked at the fact that delivery is a retail operation as opposed to a distribution transportation system? Is my understanding of that correct? |
| 01:43:40.36 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | right |
| 01:43:45.56 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It looks like he's got a |
| 01:43:45.98 | Mary Wagner | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:43:46.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | looking at the city of |
| 01:43:46.85 | Mary Wagner | Sorry, I was looking at Josh. I'm sorry, Josh or. I think that is accurate. I mean, distribution is looked at as from the cultivator to the next in line in the production of the product. And it has a lot of different regulations to it than delivery from a retail establishment, which can only carry very small amounts. |
| 01:43:47.80 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | the |
| 01:43:47.83 | Ray Withey | I'm sorry, Joshua or |
| 01:43:49.69 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | . |
| 01:44:08.00 | Tula Biederman | Right. |
| 01:44:08.10 | Mary Wagner | of marijuana at any given time versus you know, a harvested crop that's going to somewhere else to be manufactured or to be tested. |
| 01:44:18.88 | Ray Withey | Okay. And you mentioned about logos on vans, and yet the specific regulations here indicate that all transportation should be devoid of logos. So I don't understand where the logos are. |
| 01:44:31.90 | Joshua Montemayor | It would be... |
| 01:44:32.44 | Ray Withey | idea came from |
| 01:44:34.14 | Joshua Montemayor | So, I can't remember if it's San Rafael or the county, But with their registration, not the registration, but for their delivery process, if they were to have them delineate that they are a delivery person, it would be an inconspicuous logo. It wouldn't be one that has a weed symbol on it or saying, this is. Weedmaps, ABC, you know, it would be something inconspicuous that if the city were to recognize, say, and they were part of the registered list, they say, oh, that is a delivery business. Right. |
| 01:45:04.89 | Ray Withey | Now, I don't know if we've re-looked at any of the jurisdictions. I know, because I've talked to them, Belvedere has just changed their ordinance, just enacted an ordinance to allow the delivery of both medical and recreational marijuana. as opposed to their city next door to them, Tiburon, which is banned both. So... But Belvedere has now allowing recreational marijuana delivery. My question is, In reading their regulations, Belvedere's, they Their level of licensing or control is that they demand that anybody who delivers in their jurisdiction get a business license. So my question is, Why, beyond cannabis, do we not demand that anybody who delivers in Sausalito get a business license? Because other jurisdictions do, apparently. |
| 01:46:08.86 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I think San Francisco does. |
| 01:46:11.12 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:46:11.19 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:46:11.24 | Ray Withey | So why don't we? |
| 01:46:11.29 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | as well. |
| 01:46:15.61 | Mary Wagner | We can certainly look into that further for you, Councilmember Withey. |
| 01:46:18.97 | Ray Withey | Right, because you have delivery services that are delivering right now in Solzolito a far more dangerous product. than cannabis. That's alcohol. You know, I can get a delivery of a case of wine to my door, you know, and admittedly I've got a sign for it, and someone looks at my ID, and that's exactly the same thing that would happen with... the delivery of recreational marijuana. So I really think we need to look at this. Now, I don't know about the tax implications, but I think we really need to look at it. If some jurisdictions are demanding business licenses, why aren't we? So that's my question. And then the third question I have is, when it picks up on this idea of the 45 days and then the 10 months and 15 days and so on. So we're doing all of this because we don't want to let a hole be created, right? So that we've got regulations covered. But is it correct that we could pass this extension tonight, modified or unmodified, And then in two weeks time, We could come back. with a new ordinance I'm making up the numbers, I'm not saying we should, but we could come back in Um, Two weeks time. and have a first reading of a permanent ordinance that was exactly the same as the emergency ordinance. And then on a second reading, it would then be valid 30 days later. Is that correct? |
| 01:47:56.84 | Mary Wagner | That's accurate, yes. I mean, and the reason we recommend the full extension is because the state law only allows you two extensions. One for 10 months, 15 days, and then another for a year, for a total of two years. So similar to the last moratorium that was put into effect on |
| 01:48:07.03 | Tula Biederman | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 01:48:13.56 | Tula Biederman | Right. |
| 01:48:13.82 | Mary Wagner | the Caledonia Street financial institutions. We suggested to you that you extend it for the maximum period of time. But to the extent that we came back sooner with permanent regulations, that would replace your moratorium and that would be the effective. |
| 01:48:29.29 | Ray Withey | But we could come back as early as two weeks time if we wanted to with a with exactly the same paperwork. |
| 01:48:34.47 | Mary Wagner | Exactly. Yes. |
| 01:48:37.78 | Ray Withey | right. |
| 01:48:38.22 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 01:48:38.29 | Ray Withey | to be able to get the Thank you. Okay. And for that, we would only need a majority of three. |
| 01:48:46.17 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Correct. |
| 01:48:46.93 | Ray Withey | But tonight we need a majority of four. |
| 01:48:49.41 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | If we were to change the interim ordinance. |
| 01:48:52.28 | Ray Withey | No, to get |
| 01:48:52.92 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Oh, yeah. |
| 01:48:52.98 | Mary Wagner | Oh. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:48:54.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:48:54.37 | Ray Withey | To take any action on the interim. To extend it or to. |
| 01:48:55.55 | Mary Wagner | To extend it or to modify it. I think that's accurate. |
| 01:48:58.27 | Ray Withey | Right. Yeah, okay, so I just want everybody to realise that in two weeks' time, we could have the same discussion and if it wasn't an urgency ordinance thing, we'd only need three votes to pass it, not four votes. |
| 01:49:17.08 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | But the reason that you're recommending we delay permanent ordinance is to allow the state of California to finalize their permanent regulations which will necessarily impact our ordinance and also, I assume, to see what is going to happen as a result of the Cole memo. and what the, legal implications could be as a result of the rescission of the Cole Memo. |
| 01:49:48.94 | Mary Wagner | I think there are a number of factors that go into play with staff's recommendation, including the primary factor that occurred at your last hearing, which was you really wanted to hear from your community and what they wanted. And if, for example, you wanted to direct staff to delve further into where retail establishments would be, we would need more time to do something along those lines. If you want to get further information about the breakdown of the survey results, we would have the opportunity to do that for you as well. With respect to the federal government's change and their position on how they are directing their law enforcement to go after medical marijuana and recreational marijuana, I don't think we really have an opinion on that. other than to provide you with the information that you have. I think you do have the opportunity to make modifications tonight if you think that they're warranted and or to direct staff to return in the future with permanent regulations with your direction on what that would be. |
| 01:50:51.90 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, any other questions of staff? |
| 01:50:54.76 | Jill Hoffman | All right, Jill. |
| 01:50:58.50 | Jill Hoffman | And this is, again, you know, this is just because this rescission of the Cole Memo. So the Cole Memo was a memo, for those of you listening who don't understand the background of this question, is a memo that was issued by A deputy attorney general James Cole in 2013 that said basically the federal government was not going to really pursue prosecution of people that were enjoying their marijuana rights under the states that had given them those rights. There is a conflict with federal law. Federal law is still a controlled substance. And so recently that memo by the Justice Department was rescinded so now we're not really sure how the federal government is going to pursue prosecutions of that are enjoying their marijuana rights in whatever state you're in that allows that including Washington DC by the way. So it should be very interesting. So we're going to that's the background for my question. My question to you Mary is do we have any any thoughts or analysis of how the federal conflict of that law is going to affect municipalities and the responsibility or liability of municipalities who allow that under their, I would say that our liability goes up, but that's just. That's just my interpretation as I said. |
| 01:52:24.58 | Mary Wagner | Well, it's state regulations, not local regulations that allow the overall use of marijuana in California. And I'll tell you, this isn't a new issue. This issue came up when medical marijuana was the issue on the fact that it's a controlled substance under federal law. And that's a conflict with state law regulations. And what the Cole memo, as you pointed out, kind of provided guidance to law enforcement on what they wanted to have be the priority. |
| 01:52:31.65 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:52:31.89 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 01:52:50.11 | Mary Wagner | And they included things like preventing the distribution of marijuana to minors, which is illegal under state and federal law, preventing revenue from the sale of marijuana from going to criminal enterprise gangs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I don't believe that the city has any greater – the city itself has greater exposure to federal regulation at this time. but that remains to be seen how they choose to take the rescission of the Cole memo and the guidance it provided in establishing priorities for enforcement in the various states that have allowed for the use of marijuana. |
| 01:53:25.63 | Jill Hoffman | I think that's not that's going to be a decision driver, but I think it's something that we need to have as part of our discussion on this about, you know, what the liability has always been the same. It's just that now we have this memo that says that the federal government may or may not, may go forward with enforcing whatever actions they want to take against whoever they feel are So it will be interesting if the California legal cities, you guys are going to be there next week, if they address this issue from the perspective of municipalities, which I think is an unanswered question because no one's really had to answer it. because of the memo from 2013. That's one of the things that I'm thinking about as well. |
| 01:54:09.59 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And there are various law firms that are giving webinars, including mine, on the on the ever-evolving marijuana regulations, federally, at the state level, and locally. And you can find those simply on the web. Okay, any other questions of staff? In that event, I'm going to open it up for public comment. I have two speaker cards, the first. is from Narit Rafael. |
| 01:54:44.37 | Narit Rafael | Hello, council, and Josh, you did an amazing job. It's really amazing to watch you guys all be very well educated on what's going on. I made a little fuss back there about the state licensing. It's called a non-storefront delivery license, which is basically a retail spot that's no public access. So I have the first permitted Marin County state license at the moment, and you guys can all check who is permitted by going to the Cannabis Bureau portal, and you can literally just put in any license and it'll pop up. So it's just good for you guys to know. I run a boutique-style delivery service here in Marin County, and I would urge you guys to really consider the adult use sales as long and the medical sales clearly your survey is showing that they would like it here and it as is it witty with with with you has mentioned Belvedere just approved adult use sales which is really exciting for the community you guys can really look at the tax dollars that will be coming in from that. And I also started the Marin County Couriers Association. So I've reached out to all the people on Weedmaps, who I'm actually not on Weedmaps, but I've reached out to everybody, put them all as a unified voice. And I've got about six pledged members all based out of Marin County. who, you know, Thank you. One of them are here with me tonight. We're just trying to push policy forward and I want to be here as an educational tool to all of you. So I think that's all I've got for tonight. Thank you. |
| 01:56:18.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Can you hear a question from Council Member Susan Cleveland-Nolsk. |
| 01:56:21.22 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | THE END OF So is your license address both medical and recreational use? |
| 01:56:29.03 | Narit Rafael | So the one from Marin is medical only. So in order to receive the state temporary license that's good for 120 days with two 90-day extensions, you need a local acknowledgment. So I've been going. from Novato, San Rafael. Um, Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. to Abrahan, like every city within Marin pushing this forward, because this is my job, and I'm really excited about the future for it. So San Rafael was very open to it. I saw you guys did a webinar with them as well. Danielle O'Leary is incredible and very well educated. So I surrendered, showed myself, gave them the passwords to my logins, how we keep our patient database. They did a walkthrough, and I got my acknowledgement letter, which allowed me to receive my state licensing. |
| 01:57:19.05 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So right now you're licensed for delivery of medical marijuana. Thank you. |
| 01:57:22.78 | Narit Rafael | for medical marijuana, yes. |
| 01:57:24.85 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | In any jurisdiction that permits that delivery? Correct. And can I ask another question? So do you see a difference in impact? or method of delivery of medical marijuana versus recreational marijuana or impact on local community. |
| 01:57:41.00 | Narit Rafael | No, not at all. I mean, everybody, I would honestly tell you that I think a lot of people that are receiving medical marijuana are also receiving it as a recreational. I noticed a lot of my women who order have, oh, I'm using this because I'm depressed, I have anxiety. But the men who are receiving it are just like, I'm gonna use this recreationally. And it's interesting too, the products that you are getting from your distributor, you are allowed to sell the same product for medical and adult use, which is fascinating. So it's the same exact product, but it's sold with either an M or an A on the product. |
| 01:58:15.68 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, great. Thank you very much. Yeah, and then I will |
| 01:58:17.39 | Narit Rafael | Yeah, and then I also want to say one thing I just remembered. The business license, I think, is a great idea. I've been calling every county or city and asking, do I need a business license to continue operating? And I know a lot of people are saying that UPS and FedEx don't need them normally, but they're talking about adding a business license for delivery. So I would also like to know if I should be obtaining one. Great. |
| 01:58:41.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:58:42.38 | Narit Rafael | Thank you. |
| 01:58:42.82 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:58:51.32 | Jeffrey Grava | Thank you for... Excuse me, Jeffrey Grava, thank you for giving me the time to speak. I'm also a medical cannabis business owner. AND, About 40% of my business is in Sausalito, so I regularly deliver here. And what I would like to encourage you to do is to actually allow for licensing of medical cannabis businesses which would mean authorizing a business license for us in your city. there's a slight... subtlety in the staff memo about licensing that I think is important to understand. It's not that we can get a state license and then come to Sausalito and ask you for a license. It's that we need authorization from a local jurisdiction in order to get a state license. So in the Reet's case, she was given an authorization that her activity was permitted in the location where she is in San Rafael. |
| 01:59:43.92 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:59:52.39 | Jeffrey Grava | Excuse me, and that allows the state to issue the permit. that the permit is actually issued to a premises. If you think about the alcohol business, you're talking about a liquor store or a warehouse or something, and it, the physical premises, is permitted under the name of its owner. And this is very similar. And the situation we're in today is that Thank you. Narit is the only licensed person in the county, and that means technically she's the only source of medication in the entire county. and The way the regulations work, the Cannabis Control Board is the only thing, is the only board that's regulating my activity as a retailer or her activity as a retailer. but it's the Board of Public Health that's regulating the manufacturers And the manufacturers are the people who can't deal with an unlicensed party. starting January 1st. So for example, my patients in Sausalito, who count on me for their CBD and their pain killing, insomnia, killing, et cetera, cancer in some cases, and we were treating some really serious conditions. Thank you. and I don't have access to medication anymore. because I don't have a local jurisdiction that's allowing me to get that will allow me to set up. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THE CITY IS GOING TO BE promote cannabis businesses or to decide, as the county has, on a certain number of cannabis businesses and to actually take control of the process. I am also very much, I should say, in favor of regulation. I think it's the best thing for everyone involved. It's a very uncomfortable process for us right now. It's raising our costs. It's disrupting our logistics. It's, I mean, honestly, right now it's a terrible situation, but I do believe in it, and I do think that ultimately this is the proper path. So. Thank you. |
| 02:01:55.34 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I had a question for you. So you said 40% of your clients are in Sausalito. |
| 02:02:02.75 | Jeffrey Grava | Yes. |
| 02:02:03.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | But right now you're not licensed. |
| 02:02:06.46 | Jeffrey Grava | That's correct. |
| 02:02:07.17 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So you're not delivering right now? |
| 02:02:09.48 | Jeffrey Grava | I'm So until... the 31st of December, we were still allowed as people, well, actually we're allowed until 31st December of this year to operate under the old law. So we have a grandfathering sort of transition period. So that's the situation under which I'm still delivering and I'm also allowed to sell product that I bought last year this year, also as a transitionary, matter. What I'm not allowed to do is to buy product from a licensed manufacturer This year. And the licensed manufacturer, sorry, manufacturers who aren't licensed have already shut down. So there's no more unlicensed medication available on the market. and They, licensed medication can only be provided to licensed retailers. |
| 02:03:12.43 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:03:12.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Can I ask a question? Yeah. Sorry. So when you mentioned that you would want a business license in Sausalito, what exactly would that model look like? Are you talking about a retail storefront or a business? business such as the woman who spoke earlier talked about that's not a storefront. |
| 02:03:31.77 | Jeffrey Grava | not a storefront? No, this is not just Noritz. I'm very much in favor of medical and delivery only. I think the storefront issue that was raised in 2016 when the county started to talk about storefront licenses. I think it created a controversy that suggests that perhaps the county's not ready for that right away. I know the survey results conflict with that, but I've read through what happened at the county level, the business plans, the comments, the uproar in the community. And it was substantial and you had superintendents of school systems writing letters saying that students shouldn't be walking past storefront dispensaries and things, Again, if we look at the alcohol business, that's kind of an absurdity, but I think if the public has those sorts of comments and fears and so forth, then... The delivery and medical only model's a great one. It isn't controversial. |
| 02:04:37.23 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:04:38.54 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 02:04:38.56 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Go ahead, Beth. |
| 02:04:39.86 | Ray Withey | I now have a question, sir. Because I'm worried about this licensing issue. We have now on the books that it is legal to deliver medical marijuana in Sol Soledad. We passed that in December. At a minimum, I'm guessing, we're going to extend that tonight at a minimum, right? So... And But you're saying you now can't deliver new product under the new rules because you need something from us, even though we've said that you can do it. Maybe our city attorney can help us here. Because you said you need to get your state license, you need to get something from the city. But that's not true, is it? |
| 02:05:32.41 | Mary Wagner | He needs to get something from some jurisdiction. A city. A city. Not necessarily Sausalito. |
| 02:05:34.15 | Jeffrey Grava | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:05:34.21 | Ray Withey | Superstiction. |
| 02:05:34.75 | Jeffrey Grava | but, |
| 02:05:39.56 | Jeffrey Grava | Yes. To deliver in Sausalito, I don't have to have a location in Sausalito that gets your authorization and gets permitted. because you've allowed us to come in from outside. |
| 02:05:53.35 | Ray Withey | Okay, I needed that clarification, thank you. |
| 02:05:56.00 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Somebody has to do an in-depth analysis of your business, just as they did of Noreth's, in order to give you that local prong of the licensing process that you need. |
| 02:06:03.12 | Jeffrey Grava | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 02:06:10.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 02:06:10.41 | Jeffrey Grava | Yes. |
| 02:06:10.75 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And a location. |
| 02:06:12.62 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:06:12.99 | Jeffrey Grava | And I might add that I... He doesn't have to have a location. |
| 02:06:14.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | THE END OF THE END OF THE He does. He needs... |
| 02:06:17.24 | Jeffrey Grava | Yes, we have to have a zone. |
| 02:06:17.85 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. So it's a great day. |
| 02:06:19.96 | Jeffrey Grava | commercial location with appropriate security and no access by the public and you can't go through anyone else's business to get there and there's a number of state level you know, rules that resemble what you would expect. Again, think liquor business, liquor permit, liquor store, and how that's what they look like and how secure they are and that sort of thing. I think the real issue is, does Sausalito want to promote the businesses being in Sausalito or not? as opposed to coming in from the outside. |
| 02:06:56.12 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Great, thank you. All right, any other public comment on this matter? All right, I'm going to close public comment and bring it up here for discussion. |
| 02:07:07.16 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Great. |
| 02:07:09.39 | Ray Withey | Okay, where shall we begin? Um, okay, um, because I don't have a life, I ended up spending a lot of time researching this, and I've read a lot of really boring regulations. But... So obviously I'm in favor of extending this urgency ordinance. We can't let a hole appear. So that's a given. I'm really worried that we're tying ourselves in a knot about this licensing thing, and I really think that the registration licensing thing needs a quick, clean, simple solution. We're making it too complex. We're going around in circles worrying when we don't need to worry, I believe. Medical marijuana is being delivered in this city, in Sausalito. It's been delivered for years. Nobody knows. Nobody's even noticed it. It's been going on for a long period of time. And primarily, I think maybe our folks here from the industry would actually confirm, and it's mainly people with gray hair who's actually buying it, as opposed to actually younger people in general. But that's an aside. I am struggling now, having thought about this for the last month since we last did this. I can see no logical reason other than a philosophical one. to actually prohibit the delivery of recreational marijuana for medical use. Most of the companies who eventually get licensed are going to be already delivering medical. It's going to be the same cars. It's going to be the same people. It's going to be the same things. And it's just. a bit farcical actually now to divide the two, I think, in terms of delivery from entities from either storefronts or from the type of operation you've described from outside. Because one thing is very clear, I'm sort of thinking, now I read this leaflet and saw all the different licenses and businesses available, there's something here called a micro micro business license, where you can do three of the four of grow, package, distribute, and retail. You can do three of the four in a little micro business. Yes. you know, It could work perfectly in the Marineship, you know, but we're not ready for that. That's something the general plan group consider you know should we have something um a micro business in the marineship we're not ready for that you know it couldn't go anywhere else it would be if we wanted to do that would be the only place or do we want a storefront downtown well the only place there's only two places you can do that it's downtown or caledonia street merchants on either of those areas can't even agree about what shoe shop to put in, let alone, you know, whether they would agree to put a a Street. Merchants on either of those areas can't even agree about what shoe shop to put in, let alone whether they would agree to put a pot dispensary. So that's probably off the table, right? It's going to be a long period of time before I think Sausalito gets comfortable with having that. And the last thing we want is the tourists just walking around with their bicycles totally stoned. Right? So you know. They might have something. |
| 02:10:20.70 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 02:11:07.24 | Ray Withey | Actually, if we could stop them, get them stoned, stop them driving their bikes over the bridge. That's what we need. No, but seriously, all the type of businesses that people are asking for, I mean, that's not going to happen in Sausalito for quite a period of time, because we're not ready for it. There needs a lot of discussion. You'd never be able to open a 2 AM bar in Sausalito now, apart from the ones that were there. I can't imagine that you would. So those are off the table. But the delivery from outside of town to, I'm struggling to see now in my mind in terms of risk and in terms of any difference, in terms of any impact on our town, because all you're going to do is do two things. If you don't allow adult... recreational delivery, adult use delivery, it means that some of the medical delivery guys aren't going to bother with social media, because they're expanding and delivering and they're just not going to bother. And it also means that a lot of people who maybe they're abusing the system and using the medical card just for recreational use, But There are others who don't want to do that, and What are they going to get on the ferry and go to San Francisco? Bring it all back anyway. So it's just a bit silly. It's becoming a bit silly, I think, to make this huge distinction between recreational and medical. Anyway, that's where my head's at in terms of having now studied and thought this. In terms of the survey, I think you've got to be careful about surveys. It can just give you some confirmation one way or another. The most important survey we got was in November 2016. Nearly 80% of Sausalito voters voted to legalize the recreational use of marijuana at a 91% turnout. So 90% of Sausalito voters turned out, and almost 80% of them said they want the recreational use of marijuana to be legal. That's a fact. That's probably the best survey we've got. And this survey, which is obviously self-selecting and therefore has some statistical issues with it, but nonetheless give you a clue as to what's going on, just confirms. confirms what the voters said in November 2016. So anyway, that's how I'm now looking at this. but I may be in a minority of one. |
| 02:13:53.32 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, before we proceed, I want to just raise a point of order. So the staff report and the staff recommendation focused on extending the urgency ordinance. I think if we want to consider revising our ordinance or enacting a permanent ordinance, I think we have to give proper notice of it. I'm not sure we've properly noticed a discussion about whether we should change our ordinance now. from what we did a month ago. I think we have to properly notice it if we want to have that discussion. |
| 02:14:27.43 | Ray Withey | That is not what the city attorney told me this afternoon. |
| 02:14:33.05 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm raising a point of order, I wasn't privy to that and the city attorney didn't share that with me. So I wasn't aware that the city attorney had looked at it. |
| 02:14:41.72 | Mary Wagner | Well, I think I just stated the same opinion to the whole council this evening, that you could make modifications to this ordinance this evening if you choose to. If you choose not to, you could direct us to come back with something for you to consider either at your next meeting or at a future meeting and we would notice that. in the paper appropriately, et cetera, et cetera. Because it is a modification to your zoning code. |
| 02:15:04.86 | Ray Withey | Yeah. But... Madam Mayor, let me be clear. I am not suggesting that we put a permanent ordinance in place at this stage. I think we should go the 10 months, right? What I'm raising is a question for discussion as to whether we should modify this urgency ordinance tonight to add the permitted delivery of, from outside of the jurisdiction, permitted delivery of a licensed delivery operation for recreational adult use that's what i'm asking okay and |
| 02:15:44.94 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | That's what I'm at. Okay, and if we're going to discuss that, so right now, does anyone have a license to deliver recreational marijuana? I thought I heard Nurit say she had the only license in the county, and it was confined to the delivery of medicinal marijuana. So, if we were to make that change tonight, there's no one who could deliver it in any event. So I'm not sure... |
| 02:16:08.24 | Ray Withey | Well, there's a ton of places in San Francisco that will come and deliver here. |
| 02:16:13.88 | Jill Hoffman | If I could weigh in here for a second. |
| 02:16:17.10 | Tula Biederman | I think you do. |
| 02:16:17.12 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:16:20.91 | Jill Hoffman | Apparently there might be some places that can... |
| 02:16:24.49 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I'm going to ask the audience not to call out. We've closed public comment, but thank you for the feedback. |
| 02:16:30.50 | Jill Hoffman | I think I'm a little bit uncomfortable with with modifying the emergency ordinance for the because of the notice issues. I think if we're going to expand it, people need to be able or residents need to weigh in, even though we've seen feedback via the vote. But it's quite different when you're talking about a statewide issue and then how it impacts you and your community. And that's why we sit on the city council to make these decisions. So we have a legislative committee. What I would feel more comfortable with is that if the direction from the council was to extend the ordinance as is, but direct the legislative committee to address this issue. Is this on our list? yet. in the legislative committee? I don't think it is. |
| 02:17:17.04 | Mary Wagner | and then we would seek direction from the council or to put other items on there. The other point of clarification, if I may, just really quick since I have the |
| 02:17:17.51 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 02:17:27.06 | Mary Wagner | the mic and an additional thought for the council is whether you'd want the planning commission to weigh in on this modification that would allow something that you're considering tonight. And that would be something you may want to loop in as well. |
| 02:17:42.77 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 02:17:42.86 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:17:42.98 | Jill Hoffman | I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEIR COMMUNITY TO GET THEIR there's a difference between people that have gone through the process of getting their medical marijuana, you know, prescription And whether or not they're using that for medicinal or recreational is one question, but whether or not we want to expand that in Sausalito, pass that to what I perceive will likely be a larger volume of audience of delivery of marijuana in Sausalito. And so that's a consideration that I think that we should make. And if we decide to go down that road, then I would feel more comfortable if we had a package from... either staff or via the legislative committee saying this is our proposal including some type of draft ordinance and draft business license requirement requirements. for that. I think right now we've done what we need to do to ensure that people that rely on this for medical purposes are taken care of. As Ray points out, or anybody points out, that if you get on Weedmaps or whatever the program is, I mean, you can ride the bus to Scott and Lombard for your recreational marijuana if you so desire, or avail yourself of other outlets that are nearby. So that's sort of what I'm considering right now as we sit here. |
| 02:19:19.75 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I definitely want to do what the residents want to do. I just want to do it in a thoughtful and orderly manner. So I want to be sure that we're not getting sideways with the yet to be determined state regulations that have not yet been finalized. I want to be sure that we're not getting sideways with whatever enforcement action the federal government decides to take with respect to California, which it is famous for so far in this administration for targeting. And so I just. want to be sure that whatever we do, we do it in a thoughtful and orderly manner. And I'm perfectly willing to go along with whatever the majority of this council decides. And I want to serve the stated interests of the residents of Sausalito. Anyone who knows me, both on the Planning Commission and on the City Council, knows that I'm a very firm advocate of proper process. So I just want to make sure we do it thoughtfully and properly. |
| 02:20:25.45 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I'm definitely in favor of extending the interim regulations that we have in front of us tonight. I, at this point, have not heard both on the Planning Commission when we heard this ordinance and sitting as a member of the public at the council on the first hearing of this interim ordinance. And tonight I haven't really heard any members of the public speak to distinguish between medical or recreational delivery or against a recreational delivery. So I do feel like there have been adequate opportunities for the public to speak, but I also understand the discomfort of changing an interim ordinance that we have in our packet. I would at a minimum want staff if we do move forward with the ordinance that we have in front of us tonight, I would want staff to take a very close look at what are the potential difference and impacts. between medical marijuana delivery and recreational adult use marijuana. I mean, from the surface, it doesn't seem other than possible volume that there would be much difference in terms of local impact. But so if we don't include that tonight, I'd like that to be a priority for looking into whether there are impacts that we should be aware of. In terms of other steps, I think we definitely need to be creative about additional outreach. I've been very interested that this topic is a huge discussion statewide. I read about it almost every day in various news media. And there have been very few members of the public who have affirmatively come to a meeting to talk about this issue. It was great to see the number of people that responded to the survey, it's not entirely clear if people understand exactly what all of the options are. The other thing that I'm interested in, I agree with some of the comments that have been made that perhaps a lot of local jurisdictions in Marin are not ready for storefront operation, but I am kind of interested in this idea of businesses being located in Sausalito that are not open to the public, but serve as distributors or other commercial interests, and whether that would be something that people in Sausalito would be open to. In terms of the registration issue, I think that there's already a state license that a delivery service would need to get, and I think Sausalito might wanna consider something more akin to a notification that we request that anyone with a license to operate a delivery service notify Sausalito that they will be delivering here, and I would like to actively pursue the idea of a business registration. So that those two things would kind of fulfill, we wouldn't have a separate registration. for something we can't really regulate anyway. But we would confirm that people delivering here have the appropriate state license, and we would require them to pay our local business registration tax if possible. |
| 02:23:48.67 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:23:48.69 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:23:48.71 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So a business registration |
| 02:23:49.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | license to do business in Sausalito. So in San Francisco, it's called the business registration. I don't know what we call it in Sausalito. So business license. OK. Sorry. Using the wrong terminology. No words. OK. Those are my thoughts. Thanks, Joe. |
| 02:23:57.97 | Vicki Nichols | LICENSE. Thank you. |
| 02:24:06.75 | Joe Burns | Yeah, I was just looking up here for the number. I had it earlier, but my interpretation was that since we've had this discussion, three people in the United States have died of an opioid overdose, and that's what we should be talking about. So one of the words that Ray, Council Member Worthy, brought up was silly, and it's getting to the point of silly, these discussions that we have, and we want to keep asking the same questions. Where do we stand on the use of marijuana in our community? In 1996, it was 72%. Today, it's 74.5%. I mean, we can keep asking, and we can keep waiting for people to come to our... Hard. council chambers and tell us, but I think a lot of people out there that I've talked to think it's kind of silly. It's like, what's the issue? Um, And we have a due diligence to do. So there is an issue for us. And we know exactly what the issue is as far as presenting the right zoning applications and licensing and those things. So there is that process that I agree with my fellow members up here that we need to go through. But to continue to try to. discern the difference between medical and recreational uses and who's going to be doing it and all that. There's bigger minds and people have that... worked out fairly well. And if we're going to wait until it's worked out completely, it'll never happen. There's going to be legislative changes to these things for years. So we can't wait until the end product. The end product is like a unicorn. So I would put forth that I support adding recreational to our delivery program. look at any fees that we come up with separately, whether it be some day in retail sales or a micro licensing or even a business permit, that a percentage of funds, of any funds that come from this industry, go towards the education of children. towards opiate and other things that really are the threat to our community. And to continue to say marijuana is a threat to our adult population is silly. But it is a threat to kids. And as strong as I am in support of what the voters have told us and what I have learned as a benefit to medical, I'm equally concerned about the impacts before a child's brain is developed and before the age of 21. More so with other products, including alcohol and tobacco, but I think an overall education process is exactly what we should be talking about when we talk about anything other than... how we implement this and there's not much funds on the table. I think the state use taxes and everything else is going to unfortunately dilute this industry into having very little margin dollars on the table for the local communities other than a little bit of sales tax. But when we get to that point, I think we need to be looking at dedicating that money to what really matters and where we really have to have this discussion and get on with it. Because at this point, to continue to try to discern between medical and an adult use is It's been played so I would go as far as supporting a recreational Addition and as the others have said definitely keeping this CURRENT exemption going. |
| 02:27:36.64 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks, Joe. I have a question of the city attorney. If we were to extend this evening and then go back and make some modifications. Does that ruin our extension? So we only get two extensions. If we extend this evening and then we come back and we revise the ordinance, are we blowing our extension? |
| 02:28:04.03 | Mary Wagner | I don't believe so. So here's, what you have in front of you is the ordinance that you adopted in November as an urgency measure. And the state law gave you the opportunity to do that because of the exigency of the licensing that was coming down the pipe on January 1. That was the risk to the city and the need to adopt that without the typical notification. You then have noticed it in accordance with the government code. and said, we're going to consider extending it. And to the point that was made earlier, an extension can also consider modification, in my opinion. The broader concern, the lesser. But I totally support and understand the council's concern that you want to make sure people are really aware of what you're doing. With respect to the planning commission, they considered delivery. It's one of the things that they considered when it came to them. So in terms of going back to them, I don't know that it's ultimately necessary. I don't believe it's ultimately necessary, legally necessary, but it's another point of reference for you. So I think you could extend the prohibition on, for example, cultivation and the retail use storefront or other types of establishment, brick and mortar establishments in Sausalito. You could tonight say we want to make modifications to this existing regulation. Or you could say to staff, we want you to go back and look a little harder at the registration requirement for businesses delivering in Sausalito and we want you to come back to us with, give us some direction on what you would like to see there, whether it's a notification process. something, what is really the purpose of this registration, what are we gaining? What are the state regulations with respect to delivery, so that we don't conflict with any of that? You could tell us to come back, and I think you could make those changes on a noticed change to your zoning ordinance without harming the continuation of the ban on the other types of uses. |
| 02:29:58.59 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | . |
| 02:29:58.93 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:29:59.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | and, |
| 02:29:59.10 | Mary Wagner | And if |
| 02:29:59.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | were to come back to make that change to the interim ordinance that would still require a four-fifths vote. as opposed to if we were to come back with a permanent ordinance, which would then only require the three-fifths. |
| 02:30:12.17 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:30:12.24 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | vote. |
| 02:30:12.85 | Mary Wagner | So the urgency measure halts something. It says you can't do this in Sausalito. Right. You can't. get a license to build a brick and mortar building here and have a storefront retail use. But you can do something lesser than that with a regular ordinance. other than the outright prohibition. |
| 02:30:34.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | other than that. |
| 02:30:34.92 | Sergio Lima | Thank you. |
| 02:30:40.09 | Mary Wagner | Bye. |
| 02:30:40.29 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 02:30:40.36 | Mary Wagner | I would just say. |
| 02:30:40.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I would just add that |
| 02:30:40.96 | Vicki Nichols | you |
| 02:30:41.33 | Mary Wagner | I'm sorry. |
| 02:30:41.67 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:30:42.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. even if it did turn out that we were prohibited somehow from extending the interim urgency ordinance we can just adopt an ordinance that lasts for a year if we thought that you know we wanted to see how other law evolves i mean we can always we can always just adopt some kind of Thank you. |
| 02:31:04.83 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | in a way. |
| 02:31:04.91 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | that interim |
| 02:31:06.09 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:31:06.11 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | IT'S NOT A LITTLE BIT. |
| 02:31:06.14 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Not an emergency, but a |
| 02:31:06.38 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | and not an option. |
| 02:31:09.03 | Mary Wagner | maybe even a pilot. |
| 02:31:10.36 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 02:31:10.61 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:31:10.63 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:31:10.76 | Mary Wagner | something. |
| 02:31:10.80 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:31:10.90 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF |
| 02:31:10.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | something. |
| 02:31:11.19 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:31:11.80 | Mary Wagner | Sorry, Madam Mayor, you'll recall that what we came to you with in November was both of those. Right. So we wanted to put the regular ordinance into place as well as the urgency measure to cover really what was this brief period of time between now and January 12th. But the council heard from the community and from the planning commission that you wanted to get some more information before you took what was perceived as a more permanent step even though it could be modified. So I concur that you could do you could do that as well you could adopt the same regulation that includes the prohibitions and continue to study. |
| 02:31:16.20 | Tula Biederman | you |
| 02:31:16.25 | Jill Hoffman | Right. |
| 02:31:48.09 | Mary Wagner | with the appropriate time. So if you extend tonight for the 10 month and 15 days that staff is recommending, you can give us direction to come back to you with a, non-urgency measure that included some or all of these things that are in your measure tonight. |
| 02:32:08.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks. So what do people want to do? I'm really split on this because we have lots of business to do. We've taken an hour, tonight we're going to take another. staff time, it's going to be another process to bring this back. What do people want to do? |
| 02:32:28.81 | Joe Burns | Well, if it doesn't look like we're going to get a four-fifths vote to modify the current emergency ordinance, then I would suggest we move the emergency ordinance along and direct staff to come back with a interim ordinance that includes recreational Look at that in the near future. I can't imagine. There's a whole lot to study on it But if there is a lot of time they want to spend on it Um, |
| 02:32:55.68 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I think the time needs to be spent on the business license issue. I want to make sure we're properly licensing the people who are bringing... I think that's |
| 02:33:01.31 | Joe Burns | I think that's a bigger issue. |
| 02:33:02.39 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 02:33:04.25 | Joe Burns | to pigeon that into one topic. I think that could be a larger discussion that we should definitely have them throw that on our agenda for a bigger, bigger item. But, um, I'll throw that out there. |
| 02:33:18.29 | Ray Withey | I think we're wasting a lot of council time. And quite frankly, I think we should look for four votes tonight and change this urgency ordinance to add the delivery for recreational use and have done with it. Let the studies then proceed and we'll revisit it in 10 months' time. We'll know where we are a bit clearer with California in terms of their regulations and... You know, I'm not going to make any comment on the federal policy. |
| 02:33:47.62 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And what about the, so staff is recommending we change our registration process, and then you raise the issue of the business license required by Belvedere. |
| 02:33:59.84 | Ray Withey | Yeah, and it may very well be that that's, I don't know what the Belvedere mechanics are, to be honest. I have no idea. It may simply be a notification. But as far as we're going to get, all we're going to get is probably a... have the delivery services notify us. I mean, because we've given them I mean, we've allowed the use, the delivery for medical use. We can't start then saying, we're gonna spend the next six months figuring about registration and licensing and you're just not letting them. |
| 02:34:32.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, we already require registration. Staff has come back tonight and recommended that we change the |
| 02:34:34.34 | Ray Withey | Right. |
| 02:34:40.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | already existing requirement for registration that's in our ordinance. |
| 02:34:46.04 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Can I ask a question? Yeah. So if, Does Sausalito's business license that have only apply to certain businesses? |
| 02:35:00.18 | Mary Wagner | I apologize, Council Member Cleveland-Owen, could you repeat your question? |
| 02:35:01.87 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I said, does Sausalito's business license only apply to certain businesses, or does it apply to all businesses that meet certain requirements, such as operating more than seven days a year in Sausalito? |
| 02:35:06.78 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:35:13.28 | Mary Wagner | It applies to certain categories of businesses. It likely requires an amendment and a modification to cover this particular type of delivery business. And because it's a business license tax, it has its own process that goes along with that. So there's going to be a longer time frame that applies to that issue than necessarily the allowance of delivery. |
| 02:35:39.57 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So at a minimum, all we could require tonight is to ask staff to look into expanding our business license regulations to accommodate delivery service. Correct. Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:35:48.90 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | delivery. |
| 02:35:53.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So if we were to take action tonight, I would definitely want to have that be part, I would want to have that be an accompanying direction to staff to circle back with us with a proposed approach to revise our business licensing requirements. |
| 02:36:08.66 | Joe Burns | which includes Blue-Aid, Bright Amazon, and the State |
| 02:36:12.61 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, I don't know how we would, I'd have to look at how to differentiate. |
| 02:36:17.72 | Joe Burns | Thank you. Differentiate. That's what staff has suggested. Yeah. Yeah. |
| 02:36:19.80 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:36:19.85 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. So... that's a good question. Yeah, I don't think I would want to expand it to I think it's a difference, I mean, respectfully. with other council members. I think that's a difference in the type of user and the type of volume. And I think we need to look at that before, before we just you know add that into the emergency an exception to our emergency ordinance um i i think that's putting the cart before the horse and i would i think the more responsible thing is for us to look at it through either legislative committee or through staff and come back with the package and say this is our proposal we want to expand this we want to allow medical and recreational here's our ordinance and then we can vote on it and debate it and have input um but you know i certainly understand my positions of my fellow council members on this issue I'm not sure if we're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. You know? the the you know delivery of recreational you know I also see council member with these point that you know it's not I would vote tonight to just extend it with direction to legislative committee and to staff to come back within, I don't know, whatever you want to do at 45 days with a proposal. |
| 02:37:43.21 | Joe Burns | I will just throw out there If we're going to continue to ask questions, let's be prepared to work with the answers that we're given. What answer could come of, asking more about recreational delivery that would change the outcome. |
| 02:37:59.14 | Jill Hoffman | I can tell you a whole bunch. |
| 02:38:00.08 | Joe Burns | So let's say we found of 7,500 residents, 6,000 people want to use recreation or six people. Being the very far... |
| 02:38:00.37 | Jill Hoffman | Here's a couple. |
| 02:38:09.97 | Joe Burns | Polar points there how would either one of those change that we allow People to do what they voted for and what they voted for over and over and over again what the state is now licensing |
| 02:38:20.74 | Jill Hoffman | They can use it now. they can go to San Francisco and get their recreational and bring it in. The impact on Sausalito is how many delivery services are going to be coming into Sausalito, how we're going to regulate them. And that's what I'm talking about when I talk about volume, volume of impact. if we just open the gates without any kind of controls, and I don't think we're servicing the people that elected us well in that instance. Now, like I said, it's not a problem. |
| 02:38:41.68 | Sergio Lima | Thank you. |
| 02:38:41.70 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 02:38:41.73 | Sergio Lima | I'm not. |
| 02:38:50.00 | Jill Hoffman | recreational use, as far as I know, as far as it's legal, there's a place within 10 minutes you can go buy it. And so I don't feel like this is the impact of us making sure that we are doing this in a responsible manner is going to be significant on our residents. Because my concern, of course, when we first addressed this, was that people that had used it for medical purposes were able to continue to receive their deliveries. And I still feel that way. |
| 02:39:22.77 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:39:22.81 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Um... I'll entertain a motion. I'm actually somewhat persuaded by Council Member Withy that the delivery of that and by the comments from the public that Some people admit that they're using the medical as a pretext, and other people are, you know. uh, continue to purport to need it when they're using it recreationally. And I am you know we we had a huge number of our residents who both in this survey and in the vote, indicated an interest in recreational and medicinal marijuana. So, |
| 02:40:18.92 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, should I take a stab at a motion? |
| 02:40:21.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 02:40:21.65 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. I'll make a motion that city council adopt an ordinance extending interim urgency ordinance number 1248 with the following modifications. On page seven of eight, Add a paragraph three to allow the delivery of recreational adult use marijuana pursuant to the correct state code. |
| 02:40:52.80 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | and require that the delivery service be licensed |
| 02:41:01.49 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | then change. |
| 02:41:02.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And registered? |
| 02:41:04.66 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So then change paragraph three to paragraph four. which currently reads, any person or any entity delivering medical cannabis or medical cannabis products in accordance with the subsection E shall register with the city of Sausalito. And I would add, shall register with or notify the city of Sausalito, comma, under a process determined by, and then I would add either the police chief or whoever city staff determines appropriate so that we can address staff's concerns. DETERMINED BY, AND THEN I WOULD ADD EITHER THE POLICE CHIEF OR WHOEVER CITY STAFF DETERMINES APPROPRIATE SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS STAFF'S CONCERN THAT PERHAPS A REGISTRATION PROCESS is unwieldy or not necessary. |
| 02:41:45.67 | Ray Withey | If I may, Council Member, last time we actually talked at length about that and I think it ended up in community development, didn't it? |
| 02:41:55.52 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so that's fine. So I just want to leave some flexibility. So I would just say register with or notify. the city of Sausalito. And if we don't need to say, as determined by the community development director, then we can just leave that blank, or we can add it. |
| 02:42:13.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | But I think where it says medical, we have to say medical or recreational. because it says. |
| 02:42:19.32 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I was just going to add a separate, a new paragraph three, talking about delivery of recreational. Okay. But. Go ahead. I already did. |
| 02:42:22.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Talking. Okay. |
| 02:42:28.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I added a new paragraph three on page seven that a licensed cannabis dispensary for adult. Right, but right now, |
| 02:42:41.04 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | paragraph, the new paragraph four, is confined to the right oh i see yeah yeah medical so i want recreational yeah medical or recreational right does staff follow that |
| 02:42:45.59 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Oh, I do. |
| 02:42:45.97 | Shelby Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 02:42:46.03 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, yeah. |
| 02:42:46.79 | Shelby Van Meter | I'm sorry. |
| 02:42:46.86 | Mary Wagner | Bye. |
| 02:42:46.91 | Shelby Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 02:42:46.94 | Mary Wagner | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:42:47.11 | Shelby Van Meter | medical. |
| 02:42:47.62 | Mary Wagner | So I want that to include. |
| 02:42:49.02 | Shelby Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 02:42:49.04 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:42:49.15 | Shelby Van Meter | Thank you. |
| 02:42:49.31 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. |
| 02:42:53.47 | Mary Wagner | It's my understanding that wherever we're allowing medical, we would also allow adult use recreational. And one other point of clarification where you added that new paragraph three and said that they're licensed, it's licensed by the state in accordance with the appropriate section, correct? Okay, thank you. |
| 02:42:55.72 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 02:43:08.32 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Correct. And then in addition to those modifications to the urgency ordinance, we would direct staff No. Yes, to come back. |
| 02:43:21.27 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | . Are we directing staff? With proposed revisions to Saucyuta's existing business license regulations to include a process for requiring licensure of delivery. |
| 02:43:28.07 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | license. |
| 02:43:38.93 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | organizations marijuana delivery organizations. |
| 02:43:42.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:43:46.56 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And then I think it's our expectation that this would, we're not directing staff to come back necessarily before the 10 months and 15 days. Thank you. |
| 02:43:57.95 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And then do we require a second reading of this? Okay. |
| 02:44:03.94 | Ray Withey | I'll second that. |
| 02:44:05.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Lily we call the role. Does staff clearly have the motion in mind? |
| 02:44:10.78 | Ray Withey | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:44:14.14 | Unknown | Thank you. Councilmember Withey. |
| 02:44:16.40 | Ray Withey | Yes. |
| 02:44:17.41 | Unknown | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 02:44:20.90 | Ray Withey | to the next episode. |
| 02:44:20.97 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:44:21.07 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 02:44:21.17 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:44:21.19 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. No, but to be clear that I'm not voting no on the medical I WANT TO BE ABLE TO I'm voting no as necessity because I don't agree with the recreational part of it at this point because we currently have no ordinances in place to manage it. I think that's not responsible of us. |
| 02:44:38.62 | Lily (City Clerk) | THANK YOU. |
| 02:44:42.96 | Lily (City Clerk) | Councilmember Clevin Noles? Yes. Vice Mayor Burns? Yes. |
| 02:44:46.43 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:44:46.45 | Joe Burns | Yes. Thank you. |
| 02:44:46.84 | Lily (City Clerk) | Thank you. Mayor Cox. Yes. That carries core one. |
| 02:44:53.10 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Do people want to take a quick break? Okay, five minutes. |
| 02:45:00.31 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Okay, everybody, we're back on. We're going to move to item 5B, appeal of a Planning Commission decision approving a signed permit to allow for two wall and two window business identification signs with a total combined sign area of 27 square feet for the Firehouse Coffees and Tees Coffee Shop on 317 Johnson Street. And Danny Castro. |
| 02:45:24.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And before we get started, I just I think two of us need to make an announcement. I need to recuse myself from this item for due process reasons. I was a planning commissioner. and heard this item and this is an appeal from that action. So I will excuse myself. |
| 02:45:41.03 | Jill Hoffman | I need to excuse myself as well. My son works there. So I think it's best if I recuse myself. |
| 02:45:48.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, thank you both. We'll call you back. |
| 02:46:04.77 | Jonathon Goldman | So happy new year and good evening, Mayor Cawdor. Thank you, Mayor Cox and members of the council. The issue before the council tonight is an appeal of the Planning Commission decision for a signed permit. for a firehouse coffee and tea at 317 Johnson Street. At the October 4th, 2017 Planning Commission meeting, the Planning Commission approved a signed permit A 5-0 vote is a unanimous vote. for the installation of two wall signs and two window signs at 317. Johnson Street. The approval was conditioned upon the relocation of one of the wall signs. Dana Ansari, who is the applicant. He's a property owner and business owner. appealed the Planning Commission decision to approve the permit with this condition, and it's condition number one of the Planning Commission's resolution. The proposed signage is displayed here in this graphic. You'll see the location of sign A, which is the subject of this condition, and you see a a plan view where the location is on an angled wall of the storefront. Sign B is a sign, so when it's on the angled wall, when it faces both the Bridgeway and Johnson Street intersection, the sign B is a wall that's directly facing Johnson Street. In addition to those two, sign A and sign B wall signs, there's sign C and sign D. And those are window placards for additional signage for pedestrian level signage. |
| 02:47:48.52 | Jonathon Goldman | The focus of the Planning Commission's approval was the Planning Commission must meet a number of findings to approve a sign permit. And finding number six reads as, the proposed sign is restrained in character and is no larger than necessary for adequate identification. Both wall signs A and B and both window signs C and D possess identical content for the purpose of identifying the business. And then within the context of the four signs serving the same purpose of identifying the business, it was found that the proposed location and the orientation of sign A to be excessive for adequately identifying the business. Here is images of the current temporary signage, where if you're looking from a view from the intersection of both Bridgeway and Johnson Street, that you see both signs, again, on the angled wall and then also directly facing Bridgeway. Again, directly a view, kind of an angled view from Bridgeway as you approach going northbound on Bridgeway. And then from Johnson Street, you will see, with a temporary signage, there is no identification that's visible from Johnson Street. So, Planning Commission's resolution and their condition of number one was that the applicant shall submit revised project plans showing a change in location of sign A to the structure's north elevation wall, directly facing and parallel to Johnson Street. So you have an image of a photo. to the bottom right of your screen that indicates the wall that's not angled but directly fronting Johnson Street is the condition that was included that that sign be moved from the original proposed location. And then you also have a plan view there that shows where sign A would be moved. So staff's recommendation is to deny the appeal and adopt the resolution which upholds the Planning Commission approval of the signed permit including condition number one. Alternatively, the council may direct staff to prepare a resolution upholding the appeal and approving the signed permit, excluding condition number one. continue the public hearing, or remand the application to the Planning Commission for any further consideration. And that concludes my report. available to answer any questions. |
| 02:50:24.71 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:50:24.75 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Any questions of staff? Danny, isn't there a... total square footage parameter for all signage for a particular business. |
| 02:50:36.25 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. There is, and it's based on a certain linear feed of store frontage to the storefront. Thank you. based on a certain linear foot of store frontage to the maximum. they are well under, with all the four signs. With all four signs, they're still under those |
| 02:50:50.34 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | With all four signs, they're still under those parameters. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:50:53.97 | Patrick Haslop | Thank you. |
| 02:50:54.01 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | . |
| 02:50:54.06 | Patrick Haslop | Thank you. |
| 02:50:54.12 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:50:54.16 | Joe Burns | Thank you. So that's one of the objectives you have. What other objectives do you have in your criteria. |
| 02:50:59.15 | Jonathon Goldman | I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE |
| 02:50:59.19 | Joe Burns | Bye. |
| 02:51:00.01 | Jonathon Goldman | Appropriate balance and scale to, you know, and again, permit finding number six. specifically addresses that it be restrained in character and that it not be excessive. And so the Planning Commission's determination was that there was enough adequate signage with the one sign that faces. Bridgeway. and that the sign on the angled wall would better serve on the Johnson side. |
| 02:51:31.32 | Joe Burns | And that being more kind of discretionary determination, do you have any other kind of metric or objective style. |
| 02:51:38.44 | Jonathon Goldman | There's a number of other |
| 02:51:39.47 | Joe Burns | THE FINDINGS. go back to a discretionary |
| 02:51:42.74 | Jonathon Goldman | Go back to it. The other metrics are the size of signs, and again, that's based on, you know, the linear foot of store frontage. It has to directly... |
| 02:51:54.45 | Joe Burns | It has to directly. like that, excuse me, distance between or anything, any other measurements that you work with? |
| 02:51:59.19 | Jonathon Goldman | measurements you work with? There's not a minimum distance in between two signs. |
| 02:52:02.98 | Joe Burns | Approximately how many sign permits do you receive a year? |
| 02:52:15.09 | Jonathon Goldman | About $8. Okay. Yeah. Not quite a dozen. Yes, I'm sorry. |
| 02:52:26.13 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Any other questions? Okay, I'm going to open it up for public comment. Would any member of the public like to comment on this? Oh, actually, this is an appeal. So we've heard from the city, and now we'll hear from the appellant. And you have a total of 15 minutes. You may reserve some of that time to rebut the appeal. although I don't see any members of the public other than a planning commissioner whose comments you might want |
| 02:52:56.82 | Dana Ansari | I guess I'll close to the chairman |
| 02:52:59.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | You can hand them to the city attorney who will give a set to the city clerk and then distribute them to us. |
| 02:53:10.64 | Mary Wagner | It's 33. |
| 02:53:32.73 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Are you using the... |
| 02:53:34.13 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:53:37.83 | Dana Ansari | I don't want to make this good time. Oh, did you put this in? No. |
| 02:53:41.29 | Tula Biederman | No. Thank you. |
| 02:53:47.23 | Dana Ansari | This street, there's a street turn. |
| 02:54:06.85 | Dana Ansari | Good evening, Mayor Cox and council members. Happy New Year. Sorry to keep you late. I'll make this as short as possible. give you a little background. about myself and to guide how it came about to this point. I work for County Marine Community Development Agency for the past 28 years. And my background is architecture, design, and planning. Um, and, I designed this sign, it's basically not a design, it's the same location that was chosen for all previous businesses on this location. So there's not a change, it's been like that for the last 30, 40 years. However, if you've been around there, this building is quite small and has a lot of restrictions as far as the location of the sign. A sign's purpose is to expose the business or convey to the customers, the community, that there's such business here and you can come in and do business. So it's very vital that the location of the sign be appropriately located. Because if it's not, then it's the waste of time and you won't get anybody in. On the bridgeway side, this building restriction is there's a ramp that goes all along the building, so it cuts in half there. On the Johnson location, the restriction is the gas station and the gas station sign. So there's only limited window that this business has exposure for the sign to convey the message to the public. That window is that on the 45 angle of that building. That serves the customers driving southbound. And the sign on Bridgeway is serving the customers that are going northbound. So this covers both. All my customers are from Bridgeway and the marina. not from Johnson. And I believe this 45 degree angle was specifically designed for that so the sign can be exposed, maximum exposure to the public. If you notice on picture number one, The sign to be on the 45 degree angle will give you exposure to my customers only to 25 to 30 feet back from the corner of that intersection. That's my only window from Bridgeway. If you go to the picture two, Anything past that 25 feet, 30 feet back, as you can see, it blocks the whole building. Including the sign that was proposed to be relocated to that location. You can see the sign of the gas station, it blocks the whole thing, so you can't see anything. So my only window that I have is if I locate it on the 45 degree angle, it gives me 25 feet from the corner of the intersection only. And if I put it where it's proposed to be by the Planning Commission, that will serve only the gas station. And my customers are not the gas station. And on picture three, I just did it as an example that you can see the tree blocks the whole building. So the only way you're going to see that sign facing the gas station is if you're going right into the gas station corner location that's it So to put the sign facing the gas station serves no purpose for any identification for that business. Also, the 45 degree angle attracts the people from Bridgeway as to the entry to this business. And another disadvantage of putting this sign across from the gas station is moves it closer to the fire department and creates more confusion as to what's going on. As right now, on the ramp for the Thai restaurant, they have their banner on the ramp that creates just as much confusion. They think firehouse is the tie and so identification and location is very important to be effective. So my point is that. In order for the sign to be effective, the only location would be at the 45 degree angle. Otherwise, it won't be effective and there's no point putting a sign for the gas station because they're not my customers. And as you can see, the sign is pretty big and blocks it out. this picture too. really is most effective that shows you there's You can't see anything. If you have any questions, I'll be more than happy to answer. |
| 02:59:16.92 | Vicki Nichols | at the end of your presentation. |
| 02:59:17.41 | Dana Ansari | THE END OF |
| 02:59:17.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes. |
| 02:59:18.38 | Dana Ansari | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:59:19.31 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. |
| 02:59:24.86 | Dana Ansari | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:59:25.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | The business directly preceding you had no sign. |
| 02:59:29.49 | Dana Ansari | THE FAMILY. Yes, that they had an option to have a sign, but they decided not to go forward with it. So they could have it. but they decided not to go forward due to specific restrictions. |
| 02:59:46.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm just pointing out, so you said every single business that occupied that building before you had a sign in the same place. But the business that occupied that building directly before you had no sign. So they did not have a sign in the same place you're proposing to put your sign. |
| 03:00:01.03 | Dana Ansari | That's true, however, on that 45 degree angle, there are connections and lights for the sign that has been there for 30, 40 years, and that was the location. However, the last business chose not to put it there, or any sign. |
| 03:00:16.35 | Joe Burns | What other? |
| 03:00:16.96 | Dana Ansari | Thank you. |
| 03:00:16.97 | Joe Burns | when you talk about. |
| 03:00:18.05 | Unknown | That's okay. |
| 03:00:18.49 | Joe Burns | As a tag on to the Mayor's question. |
| 03:00:18.51 | Unknown | Go ahead. |
| 03:00:21.67 | Joe Burns | in looking at the history, Did those businesses have additional signs on this side wall? |
| 03:00:28.97 | Dana Ansari | I don't believe so. |
| 03:00:31.94 | Joe Burns | Okay, so it's not the exact same setup of signs. |
| 03:00:34.90 | Dana Ansari | The sign on the Bridgeway side, no, there was no sign there. And I put it there because of the customers demanding from Bridgeway. They said, we didn't know you were here. So they're the ones that actually suggested, I didn't have it originally, they suggested that you need to put something there for us to know that there's a coffee shop here. we've been driving by, only we found it because of Yale. So I listened to the customers and the community. |
| 03:01:02.05 | Joe Burns | Your picture number one, can I... Please. Your picture number one, you stated it I'm sorry, I'm not close enough. I'm going to go ahead and get close enough to the microphone 30 feet from, you're referring to car traffic, however, the picture's taken from the sidewalk. |
| 03:01:19.09 | Dana Ansari | That's because I didn't want to go in the middle of the street. So that's the angle that is open. Safety first, I agree with that. The maximum visibility to be able to see that 45 degree sign is at the curb of entrance to the gas station. That's as far as it goes, which is 30 feet back. |
| 03:01:24.95 | Joe Burns | Safety first. |
| 03:01:37.52 | Joe Burns | And then their only parking option is after they pass the building anyway. If you're talking about car traffic as opposed to |
| 03:01:41.96 | Dana Ansari | Yes. |
| 03:01:44.89 | Joe Burns | pedestrian traffic, car traffic, they have to pass |
| 03:01:46.76 | Dana Ansari | They have to pass the building before they make the decision. They'll be at a disadvantage. They won't have a chance to make a decision to see what's there. |
| 03:01:49.36 | Joe Burns | THEY'LL BE OUT THERE. |
| 03:01:53.97 | Dana Ansari | Uh, |
| 03:01:55.74 | Joe Burns | Just grab a coffee. |
| 03:01:55.76 | Tula Biederman | THE END OF |
| 03:01:55.81 | Dana Ansari | Thank you. |
| 03:01:55.96 | Tula Biederman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:01:56.23 | Dana Ansari | I feel like... |
| 03:01:56.81 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:01:56.92 | Tula Biederman | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:01:57.40 | Joe Burns | you Then I guess we're just going to have to define the difference between maximum and excessive, because that's what you've brought up. Yeah. |
| 03:02:02.54 | Dana Ansari | Yeah. Thank you. What's the difference to you? Well, I inquired about the requirement for the science and I was told that the maximum was 50 square feet. So I designed it well under that at 27, 55% of that requirement, so I'm almost half of that. And as far as the location of it, it was, it's serving two different traffic positions like i said one is for the northbound one is for southbound and the marina um that's how it came up about this and as far as excessive i I'm 45% under, to me that's not excessive. If I was 65, 70%, that would be excessive. And as far as some comments about the signs to be too close to each other, there's no guideline to indicate that. And if you go down the street right here for the hardware store, you'll see two signs as big as mine, right next to each other. on the same side facing the same street, Caledonia. So That part does not make sense to me and that's why I appeal this to make it more effective. I've complied with all the requirements and what's being suggested is purely subjective and it doesn't work, doesn't make sense. |
| 03:03:24.89 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So the Planning Commission reduced you from four signs to three. |
| 03:03:30.33 | Dana Ansari | No. They just asked me to relocate the sign from 45 degree angle to parallel to Johnson facing the gas station. |
| 03:03:39.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I misunderstood. They said one on Johnson, two on Johnson, one in the window, one above, two on Bridgeway, one on the window, one above is okay. |
| 03:03:54.42 | Dana Ansari | Yeah, everything is okay except the location of the 45 degree angle sign. |
| 03:03:59.15 | Joe Burns | Except I think one of the windows, is one of the windows on 45 or is |
| 03:04:02.36 | Dana Ansari | No. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. |
| 03:04:02.68 | Joe Burns | Yes it is, yes it is. So you have a 45 in there. |
| 03:04:05.56 | Dana Ansari | Yes. |
| 03:04:08.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, any other questions of the applicant? All right, thank you. Any member of the public want to comment on this? Okay, seeing none, I'll bring it up here for discussion. |
| 03:04:22.91 | Ray Withey | So I think Madam Mayor, just wanted to follow up on your last question is Just for clarity, and I think Danny, you can help me correct, but reading through all of this, the staff recommended In the staff report to the Planning Commission that this sign be relocated, sign A be relocated because staff was having trouble making finding six. Is that correct? Yes, that's correct. And then the Planning Commission agreed with you. |
| 03:04:59.83 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 03:05:01.42 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 03:05:04.03 | Ray Withey | Thank you. |
| 03:05:04.08 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:05:04.19 | Ray Withey | that's correct. So that's the process. Yeah, I read in the staff report. |
| 03:05:07.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, I read in the stuff. I was confused because it was condition of approval one that he appealed, but the appeal wasn't precise about on what basis, so. Mm-hmm. All right, well, do either of you gentlemen want to weigh in? What do you think? |
| 03:05:30.46 | Joe Burns | I'll weigh in a little bit. I mean, hmm. I agree that the tie sign isn't that great. I don't like that. It is that that location. I love the name. Haven't tried the food, but I'm not sure I like the placement of the sign. The firehouse sign above the door seems pretty good. Good day. Do you? You know, I kind of like it above the door. it is named after, you know, kind of in relationship to the firehouse that it's next to. So I think some relationship with Johnson would seem appropriate. I do appreciate that it's smaller than the allotted square footage, so you have not tested the bounds of maximum in that regard. Subjective, yes, unfortunately, it is. and it's subjective and discretionary to a body that's heard eight, in this year or whatever. So unfortunately they carry most of the intellectual knowledge on this subject and that puts us at somewhat a disadvantage to override them unless we have something a little more factual and in depth I guess. |
| 03:06:45.13 | Joe Burns | I'm just glad that there's coffee there I'm glad that there's signage there there's so many things that I am glad about I am just having a hard time really determining the importance one way or the other other than I respect the body that came up with the conclusion so far so I'll stop there. |
| 03:07:00.67 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks, Joe. Mary, to rule on this appeal, since there are only three of us, we only require two, correct? Two, it's a majority of those here? |
| 03:07:11.03 | Mary Wagner | it is am i is that right it's a majority of those hearing it if you choose to form it as a motion okay choose to adopt the resolution you need a majority vote of three So you could reframe the manner in which you're adopting the action. |
| 03:07:29.45 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Any thoughts, Ray? |
| 03:07:35.10 | Ray Withey | I would say that... Staff made a determination. They're professionals here. Planning Commission readily agreed, and I don't see any reason to overrule the Planning Commission. I can't. I can see the issue and why it was suggested the sign be moved and I'm happy with that condition. |
| 03:08:08.80 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'll tell you what, for me, I agree with staff that, you know, when you look at it, you see two signs at the same time. And that was the issue with staff. If it were me, that's why I was asking you exactly what you were asking for, Mr. Applicant, because if it were me, I would choose to get rid of the sign directly facing Bridgeway and keep just the one sign over the door. If I were the business purveyor. |
| 03:08:33.03 | Dana Ansari | I won't care. |
| 03:08:35.36 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So. |
| 03:08:35.97 | Dana Ansari | Thank you. |
| 03:08:35.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:08:36.00 | Dana Ansari | Thank you. Thank you. The one on Bridgeway was strictly brought to my attention by my customers in the community. That's what I followed. And there has been a notice in regards to this for the past six months, and there's been no objection. Zero in six months. |
| 03:08:55.64 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I would be inclined to, and you are correct, there has been prior signage at that building when it was the wine bar or whatever where the sign was over the door. |
| 03:09:07.83 | Dana Ansari | Or two. |
| 03:09:11.42 | Dana Ansari | and the delhi before. |
| 03:09:12.64 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And in my opinion, that does provide accurate wayfinding because the sign is over the front door. So we are hearing this de novo. I believe that we could, and I'll ask staff, Danny, if we were to revise the condition of approval to allow one sign over the door, would that address staff's issues with the seeing multiple signs? from one vantage point. |
| 03:09:45.90 | Jonathon Goldman | And Mayor Cox, may I, just for clarification, do you mean the, when you mean above the door, do you mean at that angled wall? At that angled. |
| 03:09:53.17 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | at that angled wall above the door. And get rid of the sign on Bridgeway, get rid of the sign on Johnson, have only one sign over the door on the angled wall. |
| 03:10:02.54 | Jonathon Goldman | That's entirely possible if you wish to move in that direction. |
| 03:10:05.52 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | But would that address staff's concern with finding number six, which states the proposed sign is restraining character and is no larger than necessary for adequate identification? |
| 03:10:19.75 | Jonathon Goldman | that would satisfy that finding. |
| 03:10:22.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so. |
| 03:10:23.43 | Jonathon Goldman | is the |
| 03:10:23.97 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:10:24.12 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:10:24.93 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And the applicant has said that would be acceptable to him. |
| 03:10:27.11 | Dana Ansari | That would be acceptable, but I urge you to look at the picture number two to see the disadvantage of relocating that sign. |
| 03:10:33.92 | Joe Burns | Yeah. can't see any signs from that one so that's this blocks it yeah so that's a useless picture for us so other than the gas price and three is useless as well |
| 03:10:37.10 | Dana Ansari | So that's a useless picture. than the gas prices. Yeah. |
| 03:10:40.24 | Sergio Lima | Thank you. |
| 03:10:41.99 | Joe Burns | And three is a useless photo for either sign as well, because neither of those photos show either sign. So if it's an either or, there's no signage. |
| 03:10:50.14 | Dana Ansari | Uh, Picture number two shows the proposed location will be located right behind the bridgeway gas station sign so you won't see nothing. You see the gas station sign, not the firehouse. The only way you're going to see the firehouse coffee sign if you're only 25 feet away from the corner |
| 03:11:07.62 | Joe Burns | I'm sorry. And what I'm saying is you can't see anything from this location. |
| 03:11:12.53 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | But I beg to differ because I did drive by. When you're in a car on Bridgeway, you can see that space above the front door from Bridgeway driving south. before you get to the gas station. |
| 03:11:32.38 | Dana Ansari | The only way you can see it is if you're at the traffic light. |
| 03:11:36.11 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I saw it before the traffic light. |
| 03:11:38.49 | Dana Ansari | because it's facing northbound. |
| 03:11:40.85 | Joe Burns | Which lane were you in? |
| 03:11:41.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I was driving. Thank you. I was not driving in the parking area. Um... |
| 03:11:47.01 | Dana Ansari | I'm sorry. THE FAMILY. Yeah. |
| 03:11:48.07 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. I was driving south. Um... |
| 03:11:51.72 | Dana Ansari | towards San Francisco. |
| 03:11:52.61 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | towards San Francisco. |
| 03:11:53.69 | Dana Ansari | That's where you see it 30 feet back from the corner if it's at 45. |
| 03:11:57.83 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That this picture does not accurately reflect that. |
| 03:12:03.56 | Dana Ansari | This picture purports |
| 03:12:05.39 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | The picture number two purports to say that when you're driving southbound, you can't see the angled sign, but that's not true. |
| 03:12:14.14 | Dana Ansari | No, no. No. That blocks the whole thing. The only time that you have an opportunity to see the angle sign, if you are pretty much right at the traffic light, that's the only position you have a chance to see it. Otherwise, you won't have a chance at all. Zero. Zero. |
| 03:12:31.66 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | OK. In any event, um... |
| 03:12:34.82 | Joe Burns | I'm just concerned about the clients who won't be able to find them any longer if we take off sign B. But if the applicant is willing, I think that's a great solution because I I think, the sign. uh, And there's historic precedent for it. For it there, and if there's light standards and everything, it sounds like that was a good spot for it at one time. |
| 03:12:56.28 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so I move that, if you don't mind, I move that we revise condition of approval number one, I have to get it in front of me. |
| 03:13:16.33 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:13:18.61 | Joe Burns | Here. |
| 03:13:19.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, I'm trying to do this. Yeah, thank you. |
| 03:13:27.42 | Joe Burns | I don't know about that. All you want to actually pull is back. |
| 03:13:43.38 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, I need to see condition number one. That's what I'm gonna read. |
| 03:13:54.33 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:13:54.42 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 03:13:54.67 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | There we go. I move that we to And that we revise planning commission the planning commission resolution condition number one to state that to require that the applicant shall submit revised project plans showing a change in location of sign a to the structures diagonal wall directly above its front door on a diagonal to Johnson and Bridgeway and that sign B be eliminated. |
| 03:14:46.05 | Ray Withey | Second. |
| 03:14:48.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All in favor? |
| 03:14:49.12 | Ray Withey | Aye. Aye. |
| 03:14:49.75 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Aye. That motion carries 3-0. Thank you and congratulations and good luck with your business, sir. |
| 03:14:55.70 | Joe Burns | Thank you. You good? Thanks, Dana. |
| 03:15:28.88 | Joe Burns | And what? |
| 03:15:34.01 | Joe Burns | In Sling, you can watch ESPN. if you just have. |
| 03:15:42.52 | Joe Burns | . |
| 03:15:42.75 | Tula Biederman | THANK YOU. |
| 03:15:43.31 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:15:46.84 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:16:06.93 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, next item on our agenda is item 5C, consideration of an ordinance to approve an amendment of the zoning district designation of 44 Wolfback Ridge Road. And we will welcome back to the dais, Danny Castro. |
| 03:16:20.74 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Mayor Cox and members of the council. So the request is consideration of an ordinance to approve an amendment of the zoning district designation of 44 Wolfback Ridge Road from R1 single family residential to open space This property is owned by the United States of America, the National Park Service. The National Park Service system includes the Golden Gate National Recreation Area, which is directly adjacent to 44 Wolfpack Ridge Road. At a public hearing held on December 6, 2017, the Planning Commission approved the resolution recommending City Council approval of a zoning ordinance amendment to change the zoning district designation for 44 Wolfpack Ridge. Here's a location map, our zoning map. And interestingly, I had our planner orient north going up so if you're you probably are not used to seeing Sausalito in a map that's oriented but I just felt that we should need to be consistent when you see some when you see the following maps but the the property is located in the Wolfpack Ridge neighborhood above highway 101 And as you can see, it's on the southerly border of the city of Sausalito. And here is a location map that's a little more zoomed in. A little background on the property, in 1987, the city received a conditional use permit and a subdivision map application for a proposed 13-lot single-family residential subdivision, which included the subject site. This application eventually resulted in a 1993 settlement agreement between the city and the applicants. The settlement agreement reduced the subdivision from 13 lots to 10 lots and made the four building sites, including the subject parcel, available for purchase by the Golden Gate National Recreation Area, or GGNRA. Here's a general plan land use map. and you'll see on the very, there's a square there at the very top left, depicting the location, showing the location. The Sausalito General Plan was updated in 1995. And the accompanying land use map designated the area west of Wolfpack Ridge Road as open space. Likely in anticipation of the acquisition by GGNRA. The GGNRA did not acquire the land at that time, and 44 Wolfpack Ridge Road was later sold to private property owners. In 2016, the new owners donated the property to the National Park Service, which again, the system, the Park Service includes the GGNRA. Here's the existing zoning showing that this subject parcel is zoned R120, single family residential. And then here's the proposed zoning of that same parcel as OS open space. In terms of general plan consistency, To approve the requested amendment, the zoning district designation must be consistent with the Sausalito General Plan. General Plan landings designation is currently open space and the zoning district designation is single family R1. State of California law requires a city's ordinance to be consistent with the general plan of the city. There are a number of policies that are consistent with these policies of the general plan to establish and maintain a system of city-owned and privately-owned open space areas, to expand the total acreage of passive and recreational open space areas through public agency purchase or private dedication of lands, protect the natural terrain, and also in terms of the housing element, 44 Wolfback Ridge Road was not listed on the vacant and underutilized site, so it wasn't included in terms of the housing. the count of housing, potential housing units. And here is a general plan, another open space map that's included in our current general plan that identifies this as public open space. The property is owned by the National Park Service now and already acts as open space. The property is undeveloped, contains both wildlife habitat and natural vegetation, and the proposed amendment will protect this natural terrain. So it's staff's recommendation to waive the first reading and read by title only and introduce an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending the zoning district designation of 44 Wolfpack Ridge Road from single family residential to open space. That concludes my presentation and I'm available for questions. |
| 03:21:18.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Any questions of staff? Seeing none, I'm going to open it up for public comment. Vicki? She sat here all night waiting on this item. |
| 03:21:29.47 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:21:29.67 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | speak that |
| 03:21:30.41 | Vicki Nichols | you |
| 03:21:31.51 | Vicki Nichols | Vicki Nichols, and I'm speaking tonight as a 35-year-plus Sausalito citizen, And I would urge you to make this zoning change and I want to just say as a resident of Sausalito this is such a great benefit to our town this beautiful open space by changing this zoning back in this protected area will be preserving the whole intent of this open space being created for the use of everyone this took a lot of collaborative effort I know the city went back and found a decades old documents that we were able to look at for all these conditions. The GGNRA worked collaboratively with the owner, who I believe is still in Pennsylvania, who finally became a willing seller. and the people that bought the lot were able to do a lot swap. So this took a lot of effort, but the outcome of this is really great in that where this potential house was going to be located would literally be right upon a trail So this effort is preserved that beautiful open space. So if we can get the zoning finalized, it's a done deal. So I hope you will do this. Thank you. |
| 03:22:47.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. . All right, with that, I'm going to close public comment, bring it up here for discussion or a motion. |
| 03:22:57.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I just want to say I voted for this on the Planning Commission. I think Commissioner Nichols and I were both on the Planning Commission when the Carson residence was proposed for this lot. And you could see the story poll. And so it was Mayor Cox. You could see the story polls from the road down below. It was just a completely, we never had to vote on it, luckily, but it was right next to the trail. It was very prominent, and this is just such a great outcome for all the reasons that have been noted. So if there isn't a lot of discussion, I'd be willing to make a motion. |
| 03:23:32.06 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Anybody have any comment? Okay, go for it. |
| 03:23:36.30 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Oops, now I don't know how to get to the agenda. Why don't you just read it? |
| 03:23:38.69 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Why don't you just read it? |
| 03:23:40.60 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm sorry. Sorry, I'm still getting used to my iPad. I'll make a motion to waive first reading, read by title only, and introduce an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito amending the zoning district designation of 44 Wolfpack Ridge. From single family residential to open space. Thank you. |
| 03:23:59.96 | Unknown | Lily, we call role. |
| 03:24:04.19 | Unknown | Councilmember Withey? Yes. Councilmember Hoffman? Yes. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles? Yes. Vice Mayor Burns? Yes. Mayor Cox? Yes. |
| 03:24:05.02 | Tula Biederman | Yes. |
| 03:24:10.42 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes. Thank you. |
| 03:24:12.02 | Unknown | Carries 5-0. |
| 03:24:12.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:24:12.80 | Unknown | . |
| 03:24:12.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Okay, next on our agenda is item seven, city manager reports, council member reports, city council appointments, other council business. Public comment, any public comment on these items? Seeing none, we'll move right on to item 7B, city manager information for council. |
| 03:24:34.74 | Adam Politzer | Happy New Year, Mayor and Council members. Not a lot to report other than we had a big storm, as we all experienced over the last couple days. A lot of rain, not a lot of wind, which we appreciate it. And you all probably noticed some minor slides along Bridgeway on the north end of town that the Public Works Department jumped on and cleaned up. Just a reminder that as the storm season continues, please work with your neighbors and the rest of the community. |
| 03:25:01.38 | Sergio Lima | THE CITY. |
| 03:25:03.49 | Adam Politzer | to take preventative measures cleaning out their gutters and Again, doing all the necessary things to water and storm proof your property. And then double check on the city's website, print the page. That gives you contact information for PG&E when power goes out. and contacts with the city that you can use from your office or cell phone. Um, Just a few minor items as well, including we are trying to schedule a strategic planning workshop with the council. We put a date out there for Saturday the 20th of this month. We hope that that will work for the council. Please respond back to. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO I don't believe this is going to be a long day. I think this will be a couple hours. I think it will be worth everyone's time. to participate and hope that we can secure that date so that we can move forward. We still need to align staff that will be joining us at that, Danny Castro, the city attorney, public works director in particular, and then obviously Melanie Purcell who's managing the project. So once we get your date confirmed, then we're able to make sure that staff is able to attend. The RBRA is holding a meeting on Thursday night in Tiburon. Our lieutenant and emergency service manager will be in attendance at the meeting. I'm meeting next week on the 16th with Beth Pollard, the executive director of RBA, and the four managers from the county, Belvedere, Mill Valley, and Tiburon, the following week to make sure that we are continuing to work together and look on how we can continue to move forward in the enforcement phases that we laid out over a year ago now and make progress the storm prior to this one the windstorm that we had i think you all received a memo from the chief that talked about roughly 15 boats that came unmoored out in the richardson bay we had one come up on pelican's marina and caused damage. That boat has been removed and destroyed. Six other boats have been removed and destroyed from that storm. And a handful of other boats have gone back to their owners and back out into Richardson Bay. So those are things that we will talk about at this meeting next week with Beth Pollard and the other managers. To look at how we can prevent that and again move forward on ways to cooperate on the enforcement activity That concludes my report happy to answer any questions from the Council. |
| 03:28:14.64 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Any questions of our city manager? |
| 03:28:17.15 | Joe Burns | Just because I had asked the chief, and he said he might get information to us, and it's not required, it's better to go to RBRA, but on the boats that broke loose, is there a number yet on how many were on mooring, how many were on anchor? or anything like that that they've been able to find. |
| 03:28:32.30 | Adam Politzer | I don't I reviewed the report prior to tonight's meeting to disconfirm what I thought I read but I'm happy to send that out to the entire council so you can see it but I don't think it's distinguished between anchor and mooring in my opinion, they're all moorings. but Maybe I'm not quite sure what the difference between anchor and mooring is out there either. |
| 03:29:01.33 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Any other questions? Okay, then we'll move on to Councilmember Committee Reports. |
| 03:29:11.30 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It's the beginning of the year has anybody attended any meetings they want to share. |
| 03:29:15.08 | Joe Burns | Thank you. I'll talk about one. In fact, I preferenced it at the last meeting that I was going to be going to it, and it's the Marine Telecommunications Commission meeting. which usually doesn't have much information except at this meeting we learned that the executive director is Barbara Thornton is retiring and it's a very specific role specific role in that type of agency dealing with telecommunications and state fundings and peg fees and really falls in the line of people who've had public administration leadership. So we're on a job hunt. There's a small committee of us that are meeting, I think, this week to start a campaign for selection of a new executive director. Because that is a critical role, both to that commission as well as how they interact with each city as far as getting us our fees. |
| 03:30:11.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Any other reports? Right. |
| 03:30:14.35 | Ray Withey | Yeah, I'm just going to This isn't really a committee report in the sense that I am a member of the... executive board of the North Bay Division of the League of California Cities, right? And this is not the city liaison appointment to, the North Bay Division. This is an MCCMC appointment. I was appointed a couple of years ago and renewed. And so we had our annual strategic planning meeting you know of the division to of the executive board uh to look at the new year and i just wanted to um let people know that this if we thought last year was a fairly intense year up in sacramento with 13 housing bills passed and or whatever it was and the like um 15. um this year is going to be um as as intense um there's more housing bills THE FEDERAL. But there's apparently a very great interest among our overall legislators in Sacramento to further chip away at discretionary approval by local jurisdictions. And in particular, they're talking about height restrictions now. So we need to be pretty much on top of this, work through the league, work through MCC, MC Legislative Committee, and so on. And I know others will be doing that. So I just wanted to make that point that we need to really keep on top of what's going on in Sacramento this year. And secondly, to remind you, this is the governor's last year. He's itching to sign lots of big stuff. And so, who knows what's going to happen. |
| 03:32:09.06 | Tula Biederman | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:32:35.66 | Ray Withey | So anyway, through the League Executive Board, I'll keep an eye on that. And I know others in their liaison roles will be doing that. But this is going to be a significant year, I think, for legislation. |
| 03:32:51.92 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Any other reports? Okay, I'm going to move on to appointments to boards, commissions and committees. Item D1 is to promote the alternate sustainability commissioner member Cassandra Berdeshaw to full sustainability commission member and move commission member Rebecca Woodbury into the alternate position on the commission. |
| 03:33:21.96 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:33:21.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:33:22.00 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So moved. Great. |
| 03:33:24.73 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 03:33:25.57 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. All in favor aye aye. Okay that motion carries 5 0. Did you get them |
| 03:33:27.26 | Tula Biederman | Aye. Did you get the... |
| 03:33:31.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Moved, second? |
| 03:33:31.75 | Tula Biederman | moved second. |
| 03:33:33.93 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO there was a council member who didn't think it was totally clear that I had hoped that we would discuss and or appoint someone tonight, but I don't think the title was 100% clear to some residents, and so we'll put this perhaps back on our agenda. In the meantime, we'll be right back. Um, The staff report includes the fact that we have one person to be replaced thanks to the election of Susan Cleveland Knowles. But also, we have two other people who are currently termed out of their existing terms. One could be reappointed, although I don't know if we have an application for that. one is beyond their term limit and so in addition to replacing Um, Councilmember Cleveland Knowles, I think we have to continue to do public outreach to get, to encourage qualified folks to apply because we're going to have one or two additional positions to fill. in the not too distant future. Um, Lily, do we have any applicants that we haven't yet interviewed? for the Planning Commission. |
| 03:34:57.81 | Unknown | THE END OF Thank you. |
| 03:35:03.57 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:35:03.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:03.60 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. Okay, so any discussion by, we could interview them next, prior to our next meeting I suppose. Any thoughts about should we put this back on the agenda for appointment next meeting? Should we pound the pavement for more folks? |
| 03:35:19.75 | Jill Hoffman | Can I ask a... Yeah, I'm not opposed to putting it on the whenever you guys want to put it back on. Is there, I mean, this has come up in the past as well, is there any mechanism for, you know, that somebody after their second term, you know, their date comes up, is there an automatic the avenue off ramp? It seems to me that we've been pretty liberal about that in the past. And there wasn't an actual mechanism, as far as I know. |
| 03:35:52.88 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | The ordinance, well, I'll let the city attorney answer. Thank you. |
| 03:35:57.91 | Mary Wagner | So the practice consistently has been that if someone is termed out and is willing to continue until you can find a replacement, then that's been the practice that the city has followed. And that's what the ordinance |
| 03:36:12.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | says, I believe, is that there's a qualified replacement or something. |
| 03:36:17.78 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, I'd have to look at the exact language. But it's been the practice consistently since I've been here on all your boards and commissions that even if someone has termed out if they're willing to stay until you find a replacement that we've allowed that to happen. |
| 03:36:31.86 | Jill Hoffman | But we don't, I mean, the inverse hasn't been true as far as I know we've never Have we ever gone to somebody and said your term's up? Here's your last date? Yeah. Oh, okay, okay, sorry. Okay. |
| 03:36:48.83 | Jill Hoffman | That kind of begs the question then, right? So we have two... Is that what we're doing now as well? Are we looking at more applicants for the two termed out? I mean, but I don't know if there's going to be an application from the other person who's not. |
| 03:37:01.34 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I don't know. What I've asked the city clerk to do is when we get a, when we are asked to consider an appointment, I've asked her to provide us with the information about all existing positions on that committee when they'll be termed out, et cetera, just so we have full information. We know what's in front of us. |
| 03:37:27.22 | Ray Withey | Well, right now we're if you forget about who's turned out or not turned out, we're short someone. Yeah. So, so. |
| 03:37:34.94 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | WORRY. Yeah. And we're down to three people. We have people who have to recuse themselves from upcoming hearings. And so we're down to three people on a couple of upcoming issues. |
| 03:37:48.81 | Ray Withey | So let's make a definite commitment to appoint somebody next meeting. |
| 03:37:49.38 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Let's make a difference. to Is that fine with everybody? All right, so Lily, can we put this back on the agenda for, and let's just make it clear in the title next time so there's no question by residents that we're going to consider the appointment of a person to the planning commission and Can you schedule us to interview whoever interviews whoever a plot may apply between now and then so we apply all pending applicants? Thank you. Okay, mayor's appointments. I've talked with several of you regarding this. I'm in the interest of time and my chicken scratch notes. I'm just going to do a few tonight. So... The business advisory. Sorry. Disaster preparedness liaison is going to be me, and I'm going to ask Susan Cleveland Knowles to be the alternate on that. The finance committee is going to be, continue to be, um, Council member with the and then I'm going to join the finance committee. I'm going to ask Council Member Hoffman to become the liaison to the hospitality committee, if that's okay with you. |
| 03:39:15.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And I have asked Susan Cleveland Knowles to become the liaison to the Sustainability Commission and to the M. CCMC homeless subcommittee and the only reason I did those now is that both of those have meetings in the next several days so I think those are the urgent appointments. |
| 03:39:57.01 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Those are the urgent appointments that I'm going to address tonight, and I'm going to continue to reach out, and I'll make additional appointments at our next meeting. Okay, future agenda items. Um... I see future calendars. I don't see a list of agenda items that have not been calendared. Is it going to be our practice to include those with the packet or not? |
| 03:40:23.67 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 03:40:23.69 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | you |
| 03:40:23.74 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 03:40:23.96 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | you Okay, so we'll do that for the next time. Any questions about future agenda items? |
| 03:40:30.69 | Ray Withey | So, Madam Mayor, I just reiterate what I said earlier about |
| 03:40:31.65 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Just reiterate. Yes. |
| 03:40:34.74 | Ray Withey | the protocols and maybe agenda setting committee taking another look. |
| 03:40:39.31 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes, and so I've asked Lily to add that to our list of future agenda items. Okay. |
| 03:40:44.21 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:40:44.22 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Any other reports? |
| 03:40:44.24 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | any other Oh, go ahead. So I just wanted to ask, we had a citizen request today for a future agenda item of the Willow Creek stream daylighting. And, you know, personally, I think that's an important issue. I'm not, especially for the phase that was discussed tonight, not sure what the city's role would be. It's on district property, so not public property. But it's something that I think the city council should continue to keep an eye on and to be involved with. I don't know, there was some mention of this project had been listed on the budget, but never above. the line so you know i'm open to suggestions about how appropriate to sort of keep keep it on the radar screen but i just wanted to mention that since uh |
| 03:41:35.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | people had shown up tonight. So typically when someone asks for something to be put on a future agenda item, it goes on this list of requested future agenda items and then That's part of what we review at this point in our meeting. And then the thought is, if something's urgent, we might say, hey, can we get this moving or move it forward or... Okay. So it... |
| 03:41:58.94 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. |
| 03:41:59.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:00.65 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So we'll add that to the list of potential future agenda items. |
| 03:42:04.28 | Unknown | can you just repeat the project I missed that. It's the willow creek daylighting project. |
| 03:42:06.67 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It's the Daylighting, the Willow Creek Daylighting Project. |
| 03:42:09.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:09.71 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:42:09.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:11.85 | Ray Withey | THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, MADAM MAYOR, THAT GETS PUNTED TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE CAPITAL. |
| 03:42:15.55 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes. Yeah. Okay, any other reports of significance? |
| 03:42:23.84 | Jill Hoffman | that case oh go ahead sorry this is just one thing about the Willow Creek Daylighting I I had... talked with Steve, the person that did the presentation, and they're not asking for any funding from the city. That's my understanding, that it was an informational thing for him coming today. They're expecting to get grants from different sources so specifically. So I don't know. you know more than I do about that, but that's my understanding. |
| 03:42:49.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I just thought I heard him tonight say that it had been below the line, and he was hoping it would move above the line, but I don't know anything more than what I heard tonight. |
| 03:42:57.18 | Steve Wharton | tonight. Thank you. Okay. |
| 03:42:58.24 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 03:42:58.31 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:42:58.33 | Tula Biederman | Thank you. |
| 03:42:58.34 | Joe Burns | Okay, that's fine. There's different phases that then apply to us because it does go on our property through the Corp. and then into the Marineship. |
| 03:43:05.43 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | In any event, we're not going to discuss it because it's not on our agenda. |
| 03:43:09.26 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:43:09.30 | Alice Merrill | Yeah. |
| 03:43:10.21 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:43:10.33 | Alice Merrill | Cheers. |
| 03:43:10.36 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:43:10.43 | Ray Withey | Let's keep going. Could I just for a point of clarification remind everybody that we no longer have a priority calendar. We changed that to the strategic plan so we don't have a line anymore. Okay. That was old process that. |
| 03:43:10.90 | Joe Burns | going? |
| 03:43:11.46 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I did it. |
| 03:43:11.91 | Alice Merrill | . |
| 03:43:11.95 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | . |
| 03:43:12.62 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:43:25.01 | Councilmember Withey | Right, I was really. |
| 03:43:30.97 | Ray Withey | Mr. Moore was. |
| 03:43:33.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, and so with that, I would like to adjourn this evening's meeting in honor of Noelle Norton, a long-term Saucyuta resident active at the Saucyuta Women's Club. It was my turn for the Jinx, and I had to cook for hundreds of people. She showed me how to use the ovens and showed me around the kitchen. She was just, and she appeared here several times on various matters of interest to the town. So she was a very participatory resident and a long-term resident. So I would like to adjourn our meeting this evening in her honor. And with that, we will adjourn the meeting at 10.56 p.m. Thanks, everybody. |