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| 00:00:02.60 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, good evening everybody. I will call to order the City of Sausalito City Council meeting. It is 6.30 p.m. Serge, will you call the roll? |
| 00:00:14.80 | Serge | Councilmember Withey? Councilmember Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:00:17.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | here. |
| 00:00:18.81 | Serge | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 00:00:19.94 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | HERE. |
| 00:00:20.55 | Serge | Vice Mayor Burns. Mayor Cox. |
| 00:00:23.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | here. We are going to adjourn to closed session. We will be discussing items D1 through D4 on our agenda. which are comprised of D1, public employment pursuant to California Government Code, Section 54957, D2, conference with legal counsel anticipated litigation pursuant to section 54956.91 potential case. D3, conference with legal counsel anticipated litigation. Initiation of litigation pursuant to section 54956.91 potential case. And D for liability claims pursuant to California government code section 54956.95. For those of you who may be watching from home, I will let you know that we are having some technical difficulties, so you may not be able to watch us on TV, but our audio is working, and we are recording, and you can watch us on your computer. So you will be able to watch this meeting. We will keep you posted, and I will announce these issues again at the start of our regular meeting. And for now, we're adjourning to closed session. Thank you. |
| 00:01:36.15 | Susan Shea | Can you public comment? That's all right. |
| 00:01:39.81 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm sorry, I typically have |
| 00:01:42.97 | Susan Shea | Yeah, public comment. Go ahead. Cool. Good evening to council members, staff in our community. My name is Susan Shea and I live at 522 Spring Street. I'm here tonight because it is unclear to many of us about what you will be discussing in closed session under D2 and D3. We are speculating that you will be discussing the letter that Save Our Sausalito sent from our lawyer Riley Hurt. We were trying to point out some of the legal and financial concerns that will arise if you go ahead with this process without proper involvement of the public. We are requesting that any future discussions related to our inquiries be discussed in a public forum, not closed session. We are also asking you to return all discussions and decisions related to the STRs be sent back to the General Plan Advisory Committee, GPAC, it will more likely assure that over the next two years, there will be time for all sides of the issue to educate our community about this very important issue. Remember the ferry landing. |
| 00:02:45.20 | Beth Pollard | Thank you. |
| 00:02:47.13 | Susan Shea | Thank you. |
| 00:02:47.65 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:02:51.11 | John Burke | Excuse me. John Burke, and I was wondering how we would require the Sausalito public record of you deterring from the RBRA and the JPA Act in which you left the RBRA with, and I'm wondering how we can find those papers with a LAFCO update on your website, because things are getting very, very interesting. So if you could just put on your website how we could find any information, it would be great to the public. Thank you. |
| 00:03:37.30 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Any other public comment? All right. On closed session items? Okay, we will be back at seven and you can comment on other items. Thanks, everybody. |
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| 00:09:37.75 | Serge | for the representations from here. We're staying. You still have your back up? Thank you. |
| 00:09:50.67 | Serge | Alright, so I think all of these are yours. Health and Human Services are involved. Do nothing to you. |
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| 00:37:06.77 | Matt Stolling | Hi, this is Matt Stolling, and you're listening to Radio Sausalito. |
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| 00:38:17.12 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | THE FAMILY IS THE FAMILY |
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| 00:38:19.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, good evening again, everybody. I will call our meeting back to order at 7.07 PM. Serge, will you call the roll again? |
| 00:38:29.97 | Serge | Councilmember Withey. Here. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:38:33.04 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Here. |
| 00:38:33.05 | Serge | Thank you. Council Member Hoffman. |
| 00:38:35.05 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Here. |
| 00:38:35.69 | Serge | Vice Mayor Burns. Here. Mayor Cox. |
| 00:38:38.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Here. Jan Johnson, will you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? |
| 00:38:43.97 | Unknown | Stay in front. . I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. |
| 00:38:47.65 | Jan Johnson | Thank you. |
| 00:38:47.67 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | We pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:38:51.70 | Unknown | and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:39:03.75 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | you I'm going to repeat an announcement that I made when we went into closed session, which is that we're having some technical difficulties. I didn't get it quite right. We're having issues with our web streaming, Comcast is working. It starts at 7 p.m. and you can also get to it through our web page. We are recording and so you'll be able to listen back to our meeting, but for some reason, we're having issues with our live web streaming this evening. Hopefully, we'll have that fixed soon. Okay, with that, we held a closed session, and there are no closed session announcements. I'll now open it up to public comment on closed session. Would anybody like to comment on closed session? All right, seeing none, I'll move on to approval of the agenda. May I have a motion? So move. Second. |
| 00:39:58.14 | Unknown | Second. |
| 00:39:59.25 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All in favor? Aye. That motion carries five zero. |
| 00:40:00.26 | Unknown | Aye. |
| 00:40:03.52 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | First on our agenda this evening is a special presentation by the American Association of Retired Persons, commemorating and recognizing Sausalito's membership in the AARP network of age-friendly states and communities, and for completing its age-friendly community action plan. |
| 00:40:22.59 | Unknown | Oh, good evening, Mayor Cox, Vice Mayor Burns, Commissioners. A few weeks ago, we received an update from Sybil Boutier on the great work she is doing along with all the others from the Age-Friendly Task Force and the Sausalito Village. Well, word has gotten out beyond Sausalito, and the city and the great volunteers are starting to be recognized. Tonight we have volunteer senior advisor to AARP, Anne Hinton. Prior to retiring, and was the director of City and County of the City and County of San Francisco Department of Aging. So Ann knows what she's talking about. In addition, she was Sybil's mentor. So please welcome Ann Hinton from AARP. |
| 00:41:13.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Welcome. Mm-hmm. |
| 00:41:18.72 | Ann Hinton | Good evening, Mayor Cox, City Council members, and members of the public. It's really a pleasure to be here tonight to present you with this beautiful certificate about the work that you have done here. You probably know that AARP is a nonprofit organization, nonpartisan. You may not know that we represent 38, we have 38 million members across the country, 3.3 members in California alone. About a few years ago, I don't know if you know about the World Health Organization, which you began part of your work in this area with them, came to AARP to say we don't really have the bandwidth to do all the work in the United States that needs to be done in this initiative, and so will you partner with us. So AARP has become the United States partner with the World Health Organization. So sometimes you'll see both of those names mentioned, but that's why. Our mission at AARP is really to work with people who are 55 and over and their families to make sure that they have the opportunity to choose how they would like to age. And I think that by the work that you're doing with Age Friendly, the city of South Salido is showing a similar kind of initiative and interest. So this is really a formal commendation for the work that's been done here. I do have to say, I was just seeing today that you all applied back in just in June or July of 2017. You're on the fast track. I mean, I've worked with some cities that are still, you know, they started a few years before that and they still haven't submitted their plans. So you should really be proud of the work that volunteers and staff have done in this community. |
| 00:42:39.75 | Unknown | Thank you. Right. |
| 00:43:00.61 | Ann Hinton | um You are also joining an international team of leaders in this area, so people from all over the world are taking this on really looking at what they can do around program and policy and all the things that could be possibly done in a community to make it livable. And I have to say city planners to a person have said to me, if you make it livable for older folks, you make it livable for everybody. So there you go. Just to remind folks that being part of this initiative means that initially there were nine communities around the world that were selected by the World Health Organization to focus on this initiative. They then published a report, and that's the work that all of our communities are working on now. There are eight domains. You can imagine that housing and transportation are easily on that list in any part of the world, because wherever you go, those are going to be it. But in addition to that, we have outdoor spaces like and buildings yeah I thought you'd like that social participation which is another one that's really important to people of all ages respect social inclusion civic participation and employment communication information and community sport support and health and safety and certainly living in the world that we're living in well always in California but certainly these days the safety part of Thank you. community support support and health and safety and certainly living in the world that we're living in well always in California but certainly these days the safety part of that becomes even more important so I'm really just pleased to be here tonight to present you with this and to acknowledge all the work you've done I understand that councilmember with you were the person who initially helped submit the paperwork and move this whole process forward and mayor Cox. It's really nice to have you sign on to this as well and the rest of the council members so AARP looks forward to partnering with you in any way we can to be helpful And we look forward to what you're gonna do in these next few years. I know from having dinner with Sybil that a lot has happened in South Salido since this work began, and I will say, I know she said I was her mentor, but it was really Sybil that brought this initiative to me in San Francisco, and it became the umbrella, because that's what it is, for all the work that you can do in this area. So thank you so much for what you've achieved. And again, I hope we can be helpful to you in the future. |
| 00:45:25.01 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you so much. |
| 00:45:33.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, next on our agenda is communications. This is the opportunity for folks who would like to speak about an item not on our agenda this evening to do so. Matters listed, sorry. Except in very limited situations, state law precludes the council from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. I see we have a speaker. Chairman, okay. |
| 00:46:02.97 | Bill Hale | Good evening, Mayor Cox and council members. My name is Hale, Bill Hale. I have... any. mailbox holder at the post office here for over 40 years. And I want to address you tonight about the issue about the closures overnight. We can no longer collect our mail there at night. There was some incident, I understand, and they felt it necessary at the time in the interest of protecting people to close the post office overnight. Um, Seems to me that by this time and this point in time, as long as this happened to go, it's an overreaction. It's being carried way too far. I had occasion to speak to a sergeant of the police department here once about it and he assured me that I believe him that they respond to all calls. but he was less certain about whether or not the post office is in fact patrolled. I think it was sort of a sister agency between the police department and the post office, I don't know. I'm not sure. It may be requiring some enabling regulations, something like nobody in the post office except for box holders after hours, something like that. But up in, say up in San Rafael, where the homeless, it was a homeless incident and an assault issue that started this, I believe. Up in San Rafael, which is literally ground zero, having to resort to this type of thing. So I ask you to look into this and see if you can't be resolved. And there was a deal that probably few in this room remember, but about 20 years ago, It was a trade-off between Saturday hours at the post office or 24-7 at the boxes. I'm gonna assume that the post office probably wouldn't wanna go to the expense of opening back up on Saturday. Let's just see if we can't look into this and maybe get it resolved in one way or another, but we shouldn't be blocked from the, from our box access 24 seven in a place like this. |
| 00:47:53.18 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I will put this on our future agenda items list, but the city of Sausalito has no jurisdiction over the federal post office. But I will put it on our future agenda items for referral to the appropriate agency for inquiry |
| 00:48:05.55 | Bill Hale | I'm sorry. an obligation to patrol and support it, I think, police-wise. Thank you very much. |
| 00:48:09.74 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:48:11.87 | Bill Hale | Thank you. |
| 00:48:11.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Jan Johnson. |
| 00:48:12.86 | Bill Hale | Thank you. |
| 00:48:12.89 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. If you'd like to speak, please fill out a speaker card. Um. |
| 00:48:19.22 | Jan Johnson | Mayor Cox and council members, I'm sorry to bother you, but in the hopes of keeping housing affordable for us elders and everyone else, I've got four brief comments on short-term rentals. I believe the issue should be addressed as part of the general plan, zoning and land use considerations. until you change the law, the city should enforce the current prohibition. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles committed to this on the record, quote, I think everyone in the room agreed any program, whether a ban or a limited pilot, needs rigorous enforcement, So please put enforcement on the agenda for the November 27th meeting or one shortly thereafter. Um, and I would like to see the council consider adopting an enforcement against advertising illegal activities as was done by the Larkspur city council. The Larkspur ordinance 1029 states, no individual may print, publish, advertise, or disseminate any commercial notice or advertisement for activities or uses that are violations of the Larkspur municipal code. Thank you. |
| 00:49:33.79 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Russ Irwin. And then John Burke. |
| 00:49:45.30 | Russ Irwin | Ross Erwin-Johnson Street. Actually, I think Ms. Johnson stole my points. I also think that the general plan is the right place to have that discussion. I kind of, it doesn't make any sense to me that we spend a million dollars on consultants for a general plan, and we have a multi-year process. We have thousands of volunteer hours being spent at forums and meetings, and GPAC meetings, and then to just preempt the whole process with a council action to rezone a significant part of the city. I think you owe it to the community to use the money and the time that everyone's investing to take consider this issue that you feel is so important. land use and zoning is what the general plan is all about. Her second point about enforcement is also, this has been on the books for, I don't know, 30 years. It came off briefly during the America's Cup a while back. This is not new. It's a problem. I don't think we should selectively enforce our regulations. We have the funding now from Measure L and Measure M. I just don't think there's any reason to say, well, we're not going to enforce this, which is what was suggested yesterday morning by Vice Mayor Burns. I don't get that. I don't think the council gets to decide Well, we'll enforce this. We won't enforce that. I know we made that law, but we don't really mean it. So I ask you to please consider enforcement. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:51:24.29 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm John Burton. |
| 00:51:24.71 | Russ Irwin | Thank you. |
| 00:51:28.73 | John Burke | Thank counsel John Burke again. And it's been two and a half years since I have received my mail. I have written treaties to you people. I have talked to your parking racks. I have talked to your surveyors. I have talked to everybody in three attempts to reestablish my personal jurisdiction and my franchise from the city of Sausalito. with zero response. Does anybody have a indication anything to your offshore neighbors. Upon Wotis. on Richardson Bay, California, as to what happened with the identity of everybody out there. Do you have an explanation? Do you have an investigation number? Do you know how it happened? Do you know? What happened? to our mail. Nothing's been returned to sender. I don't understand. If there's a chief of police now, Is there an investigation number, Mr. Frass? Is there no identity whatsoever for the offshore community of Richardson Bay. Is there? |
| 00:52:45.90 | John Burke | I'm going to Chicago next Wednesday, guys. |
| 00:52:53.04 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Next is Peter Glazer, and that's the last speaker card I have, so if anybody else would like to speak, please do fill out a speaker card. |
| 00:53:01.58 | Peter Glazer | Hi, my name is Peter Glazer. I've been a resident here since 1980. Used to be a business owner here. I wanted to speak about the lack of public restrooms in Dunphy Park. There used to be public restrooms in Dunphy Park. No longer are. It's occasionally inconvenient for me, but for a lot of people it's very inconvenient. You know, I'll row back out to my boat and use my bathroom if I have to. It's a little inconvenient, but it really, you know, what ends up happening is the people it's really inconvenient for end up using the bushes, so to speak. Mr. Glazer. |
| 00:53:36.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Mr. Glazer. |
| 00:53:37.15 | Peter Glazer | Yes. |
| 00:53:37.89 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm sorry, I just noticed that you have checked item six as- |
| 00:53:41.37 | Peter Glazer | Yes, I'm going to speak again in number six, but this is an item not on the agenda at six. Okay, great. Thank you. |
| 00:53:44.14 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. Okay, great. Thank you. |
| 00:53:46.63 | Peter Glazer | Thank you. Yeah, thank you. So I just wanted to urge you to possibly look into putting bathrooms at Dunpey Park again. I think it does, the community is a good service as well, and it just doesn't really behoove any of us to have people using the bushes. I also wanted to echo the gentleman earlier sentiment about the PO boxes. I used to have two PO boxes. One was a business box, one was a personal. And I often needed to access them late at night. And I wasn't aware that they no longer are, but I wanted to speak in support of him to, If you guys can put a word into the federal government or to the post office about making those accessible again. Thank you. |
| 00:54:36.84 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | THANK YOU. All right, I have no more speaker cards. Was there anyone else who wanted to speak on an item not on our agenda this evening? Okay, seeing none, we'll move on to... Mind if I just make a comment about some people? |
| 00:54:51.57 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:54:51.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:54:51.60 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:54:52.24 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:54:52.31 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | for the public. |
| 00:54:54.10 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So, |
| 00:54:54.71 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well. Thank you. It seems like Adam can try. Do you want me to ask Evan to respond? I think there's so many people here. |
| 00:55:06.57 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Adam, so there's a request that you respond to the comment about the restrooms at Dunphy Park. Keeping in mind, this is not an item on our agenda this evening. |
| 00:55:16.26 | Adam Politzer | So very briefly, I would recommend that the gentleman that just spoke meet with our Parks and Recreation Director. We have approved the renovation of Dunphy Park, which that project should start later this month. And they can go through all the design features, including public restrooms. |
| 00:55:35.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Next on our agenda is action minutes of our previous meeting. |
| 00:55:46.55 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Make a motion to approve. |
| 00:55:50.28 | Jill Hoffman | Second. |
| 00:55:55.19 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, so I'm not seeing any action minutes. Okay, all right. |
| 00:56:01.45 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | The Press. |
| 00:56:02.51 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | They're not on there. |
| 00:56:03.71 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I resend my motion. |
| 00:56:03.72 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. All right. All right, then we're going to move on to the consent calendar. Damn. We have four items on our consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial, require no discussion, are expected to have unanimous council support, and may be enacted by the council in one motion in the form listed below. So Is there any public comment about our consent calendar items? All right, seeing none. Thank you. |
| 00:56:35.23 | Unknown | Oh, yes. |
| 00:56:36.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, Sybil. |
| 00:56:38.55 | Unknown | Thank you. Bye. |
| 00:56:47.95 | Unknown | I wanted to make a comment about item 4D on the consent calendar, the communication to the Federal Communications Commission. I am so proud once again to be a representative of South Salido and to be a resident here I'm not sure if you're When I worked for the city of San Francisco, the board of supervisors appointed me to be the chair of the telecommunications committee. And I negotiated the government access arrangement with what was then Viacom and later became TCI, ATT, and then Comcast. And my experience was that although they made certain agreements in the franchise in order to be able to use the public rights of way, the cable company consistently reneged on their agreements and tried to get out of the requirements that were part of the agreement with the city. They agreed to pull fiber whenever they, we gave them permission for curbs Street cuts, they didn't do that. They didn't wire the public buildings appropriately. And anyway, I see that they did finally manage to get the franchise process taken out of the city's hands, which was really a shame, and put into one big state franchise. And now I see they want to renege on supporting the peg channels. And I strongly oppose this. I have been called to the FCC in the past to testify. And so I understand what this is about. And I was so thrilled when I saw that Salcelito had written this letter in opposition. And it just shows what deep policy thinkers we have here on our city council. And I'm very proud of that. And I want to thank you. |
| 00:58:56.47 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment on our consent calendar? Okay, I'll bring it up here. Any comments on our consent calendar? I have one comment which is Vice Mayor Joe Burns wrote this very excellent letter to the FCC and so I would like, sorry, I would like to have him I'd like us to designate him as the signer of this letter. |
| 00:59:24.25 | Ray Withy | As far as me writing it... There was a bit of a template provided by the MTA that I just doctored a little bit. |
| 00:59:30.82 | Unknown | . Yeah. |
| 00:59:35.54 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Take credit. |
| 00:59:37.06 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, so is everybody okay with the vice mayor authoring this letter? Okay, with that one revision, I will entertain a motion to approve the consent calendar. |
| 00:59:39.49 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | THANK YOU. |
| 00:59:46.41 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'll move to approve our consent calendar item four. THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 00:59:49.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:59:49.72 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All items for A, for B, for C, for D. |
| 00:59:49.80 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes. |
| 00:59:56.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All in favor? Aye. That motion carries 5-0. |
| 00:59:56.94 | Ray Withy | Hi. I'm not. Now, can I just make one comment? |
| 01:00:01.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Sure. I'm supposed to make it before that. I know, but on |
| 01:00:01.61 | Ray Withy | Um, I know, but on that, it has nothing to do with that letter will be, we're going to send in our our comment to the FCC by tomorrow night at midnight. And that's really the implementation of that letter. |
| 01:00:14.12 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:00:14.13 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:00:14.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:00:14.17 | Ray Withy | I'll be going to them. |
| 01:00:14.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thanks. Okay, we're going to move smartly on to our business items. Business item 6A, update on the mobile shower program. |
| 01:00:28.73 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I will say welcome to our police chief. |
| 01:00:31.33 | John Rohrabacher | Hi, good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the council. My name is John Rohrabacher, I serve as your Chief of Police. So we have three items tonight on the agenda, and my role here is I just would like to do the introductions on each of the items, because we have a number of speakers. And so for the first item on the multiple showers, Lieutenant Frost is gonna begin with his presentation. Following Lieutenant Frost will be Karen Stulia. You've heard from her before. She works for the Downtown Streets team. and is the director for the Marin County chapter of that. The street team has been around for probably 10 or 15 years, and they serve eight communities in the Bay Area, and Marin County being one of those. And then when Karen is done, then Ashley Hart McIntyre is going to do a presentation also. And Ashley is a homeless policy analyst for the county of Marin and the Department of Health and Human Services. So that's your lineup for the first item. |
| 01:01:27.71 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:01:42.17 | Bill Frost | just waiting for the PowerPoint to kick over But good evening. Madam Mayor? Vice Mayor, Council Members, City Staff, public at large. I am Lieutenant Bill Frost of the Sausalito Police Department, Starting out with this presentation, A little background is on September 25th of this year, there's also a police department and the Downtown Streets team provided a proposal to the city council recommending the implementation of a six-month pilot program for Marin Mobile Care's mobile shower program to operate in Sausalito. At that time, the council directed staff to conduct further community outreach regarding the proposed pilot program and research possible sites where the Marin Mobile Care Shower Program could be hosted. After conducting this research, and outreach, we were directed to report back to the council this evening. Four. Karen takes over and explains a little bit more about what the downtown streets team have done during this last month and a half. Just wanted to remind the council of the goals of the program. The first is to offer the basic need, a shower which lends itself to people rediscovering dignity in washing away a stigma being homeless, or needing a shower. So, The shower basically alleviates day-to-day stresses. It helps individuals get out of survival mode. so they could possibly help themselves. And the second goal as a shower program is to connect individuals with resources they need such as a bed for a night, medical care, housing services, medical needs, counseling, food services, food resources, employment, or other opportunities and other needs. So before we go in to you The outreach and other aspects of what the police department has done over the last two months regarding this, I'm gonna ask Karen Strohlia to please come up and she will speak regarding the downtown streets teams activity. Once I get this slide going. |
| 01:03:51.60 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you, and welcome back, Karen. |
| 01:03:53.20 | Karen Stulia | Hi, thank you. It's nice to see all of you again. Nice to see all of you faces out in the audience there. So again, my name is Karen. I'm the director of downtown streets team here in Marin County. And I just want to walk you guys through what we've been working on over the past month, what additional successes we've seen So you've seen this before. It's our data. This is a snapshot of what October looks like. Um, You'll notice that the number of showers served was 294. That's actually one less than September. And a huge part of weather played a huge role in this. Inclement, it's really cold in the evenings now. There's definitely been a shift as autumn has come upon us. I'll remind you the first three rows are really a capture of our capacity utilization. So the second column is the daily average of showers being hosted at each of those sites. The third column is a two-pronged option there. You've got the number of unique individuals being hosted at those sites, as well as the actual numbers that were served at those sites. I'd like to point out that we're still running a little less than 50% capacity, which is great in the sense that there's room to grow. And of course, like I said, weather has been a huge factor in that. We've seen more guests in the evening hours, and when we talk to them about what that looks like, it's really hard to get up in the morning when it's super cold for our early morning shifts. But once their day gets started, then they're eager to hop in in the evenings. Those last four columns are really a snapshot of how folks are getting connected to the greater system of care. So you'll see that the percent of individuals already existing in the Homeless Management Information System, you'll see the percentage there. The column next to that is a representation of how many folks are being entered into that system, specifically at the mobile shower sites. The next column is the VI-SPEDAT, that's the Vulnerability Index. That's what the county is using for prioritization of housing opportunities and other resources that are available. And the last column there is a representation of how many of those surveys are being conducted at shower sites. As of today, we've hosted 1,421 showers. Well, I did this actually before we were here at the event this afternoon where we got five more showers and we've got guests here who will speak on their experience about that. It was pretty impressive to see all those spaces out there. Successes. So you'll see in the left there, those are the successes that I showed to you the last time we saw each other. |
| 01:06:27.12 | Jill Hoffman | So Ashley, do you want us to ask questions as you're going or wait till the end? |
| 01:06:30.09 | Karen Stulia | Um... I'm flexible. Yes. |
| 01:06:33.57 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. Go ahead. |
| 01:06:34.02 | Karen Stulia | Let's wait till the end. |
| 01:06:34.78 | Jill Hoffman | IT'S FUN. |
| 01:06:35.03 | Karen Stulia | Thank you. |
| 01:06:35.05 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:06:35.10 | Karen Stulia | Thank you. |
| 01:06:35.26 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, that's fine. |
| 01:06:36.00 | Karen Stulia | All right, cool. So you'll see on the column on the left, that's a snapshot of where we were the last time I saw you, although I don't think it's accurate. Because when I pull up slides from the last show, we had seven people who had secured employment. And we're actually at 15 employment opportunities now. So that's eight since I saw you last. At the time, we had one person who had moved into secured housing through coordinated entry. Last week, we moved our second person in, which was an incredible collaborative effort. We've had a few people on their own seek housing opportunities and come back to our staff and ask about housing applications, things like that. And I think the biggest question that I get is how many folks are actually using the referrals that they're getting at these sites. We see about 97 percent, and that's, you know, So out of 94 unique individuals in the month of October, 92 actually went to the resource that was offered to them for the need that they had. One person is very determined to get housing, and that's what that person is determined to get. Now it's about building that trust so she's willing to fill out the survey. That's the one piece there that's standing in the way outside of securing employment and paying for her own rent. And then the other person was was somebody who was exceptionally resistant until he filled out the survey, and that was our second coordinated entry person. So there's definite movement and growth, which has been very exciting. I'd like to note that when our staff refers folks to certain providers, they are amazing at doing follow-up and checking in, hey, John, did you, how did that appointment go at Marin Community Clinics? And John will report out whatever's going on with their healthcare needs. So there's follow-up there. And the one nervous space that we've noticed people in is if there's a medical need, they feel really trepidatious about actually going into a medical facility Um, There's a larger dialogue there, and that's where the trust really comes in. my conversation with my staff is, well, what if you could put that person in your car right then, strike while iron's hot, and get them to the medical care? Would that be something that they'd be interested in doing? And the answer across the board is yes. So it's really this nervous space of getting there, having that dialogue with somebody who is at the receiving end, without having someone there to support them. And part of that is the stigma that comes with their experience, unfortunately. And of course, even more dignity. We're excited about that part too. So this is some of the stuff that we've been working on also since I've seen you. I presented at Larkspur last week, I think it was last week. And so now I'm working with the city managers from Corte Madera and Larkspur and really trying to secure a site within the Twin Cities is what they call themselves. So we're looking at the marsh, there's a, regular population that's there that we'd like to serve. Of course, I'm here with you all tonight. And then December 5th, I'll be in Fairfax with those folks securing a site or getting approval and doing what I do. |
| 01:09:38.94 | Unknown | No. |
| 01:09:41.28 | Karen Stulia | There's that. This is kind of a mapped out chart, I'm a visual. So hopefully all of those yellows will turn to green by the end of the year. I'm focusing more on Fairfax for next year just because we're running out of time with the holidays coming up, and as well as West Marin, we wanna be able to serve folks in the West Marin area. And that is essentially our month of October in a snapshot, so. |
| 01:10:07.90 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:10:08.57 | Karen Stulia | Yeah. Questions, you guys have questions. |
| 01:10:12.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So we're going to go ahead and ask questions of you, Karen. And then we'll move on. |
| 01:10:14.65 | Karen Stulia | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:10:16.11 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:10:16.13 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I called you Ashley but I That's right. |
| 01:10:17.67 | Karen Stulia | That's okay. She's awesome, so I'll take it. |
| 01:10:19.73 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. So of the number on the slide that you had, all of the number of showers, I think it's the second slide. Yeah, so that number showers in October. Sorry, 294. How many individuals were that though? |
| 01:10:39.00 | Karen Stulia | 94. |
| 01:10:39.98 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. And that's across all of the different locations? |
| 01:10:43.42 | Karen Stulia | Yes. |
| 01:10:43.98 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. And then of the total showers, 1490, or I'm sorry, 1421, how many was that total of people, individuals? |
| 01:10:51.96 | Karen Stulia | Oh. Thank you. |
| 01:10:53.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | At our last meeting, you said it was 100 out of 1,000 showers. |
| 01:10:54.00 | Karen Stulia | That's a big one. |
| 01:10:57.41 | Karen Stulia | Yeah, so I would say I'm guessing because I did not count unique individuals across, I would say it's 115. give or take one or two people. But I can get back to you with a hard number. |
| 01:11:09.76 | Jill Hoffman | Thanks. And what kind of metrics do you guys keep? Do you keep a database when you intake people that come into the shower program. Do you have a database and do you keep that database you know, current. |
| 01:11:24.51 | Karen Stulia | Yeah, it's an ongoing spreadsheet, essentially. I do, our staff takes attendance to see who's there. That is kind of what gives us these numbers here. So we'll do a daily roster, and then I compile that into a larger spreadsheet, which I had last time I saw you guys. I don't have it with me this time. But it really is a snapshot of the unique individuals. If we are able to check to see who is, if there's anybody who's using multiple sites, if there's somebody who's using one shower site in multiple shifts, because we do have two shifts in San Rafael, it just gives us a deeper dive into the information |
| 01:11:28.29 | Jill Hoffman | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:11:28.61 | Unknown | . |
| 01:12:03.52 | Jill Hoffman | And so do you address or do you track individuals about where they're having their showers? Do you have that information? |
| 01:12:11.30 | Karen Stulia | Yes. |
| 01:12:11.76 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. And do you track anything about where the individual actually lives? So, or at least community where they reside. |
| 01:12:23.40 | Karen Stulia | Yes, not formally, to be honest with you, unless it's done through our coordinated entry, the HMIS system where they'll write down where they're from, where they've come from, but that's usually a snapshot of when they fell into homelessness. As far as sites go, |
| 01:12:26.71 | Jill Hoffman | to be honest. |
| 01:12:39.06 | Karen Stulia | I think we've had two people who have come to one of our sites that were not from that site. And they were folks who were passing through. They were heading on to a different destination. |
| 01:12:50.60 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, and this may be a question, you know, maybe for Ashley or maybe something that we want to discuss later. But of the individuals, when you talk about homelessness and chronic homelessness specifically, which is my understanding is that that's really what the shower system is. Is that the target audience for chronic homelessness? |
| 01:13:09.02 | Karen Stulia | Yes. For... Or anyone who's in the experience that doesn't have access to a shower. |
| 01:13:11.60 | Jill Hoffman | I'm not sure. or anything. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm having trouble. So in your experience though, as a person that's working in this community, When you talk about chronic homelessness and when you talk about that type of individual, I think you would agree that there's a certain level of mental illness that you're also dealing with when you're talking about those types of individuals. Is that correct? |
| 01:13:43.59 | Karen Stulia | Sometimes we're working with folks who have mental health needs, but not always. |
| 01:13:49.69 | Jill Hoffman | What would be your, or could you comment, like if I'm asking you, well what percentage of the chronic homeless have some sort of level of mental illness? |
| 01:13:58.73 | Karen Stulia | That I don't have an answer for just because I'm not a licensed mental health practitioner. |
| 01:14:04.33 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so and then my next question is, when you intake people, do you have any idea of their criminal history? Thank you. |
| 01:14:12.97 | Karen Stulia | No. |
| 01:14:13.53 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay. |
| 01:14:17.19 | Karen Stulia | unless it's self-reported. |
| 01:14:19.20 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. And, What, you're going, let's see, oops, hold on. |
| 01:14:33.71 | Jill Hoffman | in one of the presentations, maybe it was Lieutenant Frost's, there was the breakdown of, numbers, homeless numbers. Was that, that was, I guess that wasn't yours. Maybe that was Lieutenant Frost's. |
| 01:14:48.55 | Karen Stulia | That might be information that Ashley's covering in her presentation. |
| 01:14:50.42 | Jill Hoffman | Ashley's covering in her presentation. Okay, I'm sorry. I'll just wait until Ashley gets up here. No, that's okay. Yeah. Okay, thank you. |
| 01:14:54.47 | Karen Stulia | No, that's okay. |
| 01:14:57.45 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, I'm sorry, one more thing. So the other jurisdiction where you have the showers, what, What days are they? Like in Novato, what days do you do the showers? |
| 01:15:11.38 | Karen Stulia | So, Novato, we've, I just put the tie, I didn't, I don't know why I didn't put the days. So, Novato is Monday, Wednesday, Friday. |
| 01:15:12.10 | Jill Hoffman | Sour show. |
| 01:15:18.99 | Karen Stulia | San Rafael in the morning is Tuesday, Thursday, and San Rafael in the evening is Monday, Wednesday. |
| 01:15:25.06 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 01:15:25.94 | Karen Stulia | Thanks. |
| 01:15:26.36 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:15:26.41 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:15:29.13 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, I think the last time you were here, I see some new faces in the room tonight. You talked about whether there had been any incidents or problems at the shower sites. And I think your answer had been very few, but could you just give us an update on where that stands now? Is it continuing as you keep providing showers that there are relatively few kind of negative interactions or incidents at the sites? |
| 01:15:53.61 | Karen Stulia | We haven't had any additional interaction, negative interactions with anyone. Just those two at the beginning of the program. |
| 01:15:58.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks. |
| 01:15:58.10 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:16:01.01 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks. Mm-hmm. In terms of some of the metrics that Councilmember Hoffman was asking about, is it possible for us if we were to adopt a pilot program to give feedback about some of the data we would like to collect regarding the people that you encounter here in our town. |
| 01:16:25.90 | Karen Stulia | Yeah, I'm definitely open for discussion with that, yeah. Like I said last time, I want this program to be very flexible and customizable to the community. Yeah. Great. |
| 01:16:35.23 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Any other questions? |
| 01:16:37.00 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I'll ask just one quick one. Thanks for coming here again, Karen. Any evidence or feedback of people being complacent with their homelessness because of the shower or adding to homelessness because of the showers? Is it having any impact in that regard that you can see? |
| 01:16:40.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Karen. |
| 01:16:53.08 | Karen Stulia | No, actually it's been the absolute opposite. People are motivated to move forward and figure out strategies of how to get out of their experience. |
| 01:17:00.85 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 01:17:02.72 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Great. Thanks so much for coming back. Yeah, of course. We asked some tough questions last time, so thank you for coming back. |
| 01:17:07.29 | Karen Stulia | Thank you for coming back. Yeah, no problem. |
| 01:17:09.11 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And we'll invite Ashley up. |
| 01:17:25.11 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | from the |
| 01:17:28.16 | Unknown | Thank you very much for having me |
| 01:17:29.31 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Thank you very much for having me back to come speak with you. I look forward to sharing with you some of the progress that we've made in our work to end homelessness. I'll start off just by answering one of the questions that came up in for Karen's presentation about the percent of people who have psychiatric or emotional conditions. Based on our 2017 point in time count, which as you know is almost two years old at this point, about 27% of the chronically homeless population self-report some kind of psychiatric or emotional or mental health condition. So, The first of the many significant changes that we've made over the last three years is shifting our priority population. And we've talked with you a little bit about this in previous so I won't go into too much detail, but we've really shifted to focusing on people who are experiencing chronic homelessness. And here's the breakdown by point in time count. Sorry, I skipped over this, that you guys have asked for. You can see here, based on our 2017 count, there were 36 people counted on land in Sausalito and 86 individuals counted in the Richardson Bay. So we are conducting a new point in time count in January 2019. And we welcome participation from anybody who's interested. |
| 01:18:54.85 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | So chronic homelessness, people are chronically homeless if they have been homeless either continuously for one year or more or for, four or more episodes over three years, totaling 12 months in sum over that period of time, and have a qualifying disability. So our focus is on this population because most people who become homeless self-resolve their own homelessness within about two weeks. So we want our resources to focus on those who are not going to be able to self-resolve. The people who are chronically homeless have a life expectancy about 25 years less than other people who are housed. So we want to make sure that we're serving the most vulnerable with our limited resources. And when you get right down to it, it's more cost effective to house this population than it is to leave them homeless. Based on a study out of Santa Clara, we estimate that we're saving approximately $40,000 every time we house a chronically homeless person instead of leaving them unsheltered. |
| 01:19:57.88 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Between our 2015 and 2017 point in time count, our overall homeless population actually decreased, but chronic homelessness went up. So we went from about 260 chronically homeless folks in 2015 up to 329 single individuals who were chronically homeless in 2017. So in order to effectively serve this new population, we had to make some major shifts to the way that we are operating. First among those is coordinated entry. Coordinated entry is the system through which all persons experiencing homelessness, who are experiencing chronic homelessness, are able to access housing through Marin. It starts, people move through this system of care. There are entry points across the county. All of our homeless service providers act as entry points for coordinated entry, including the shower program. It's one of our major entry points. HHS and our outreach teams are also entry points to coordinated entry. Everybody who is experiencing homelessness receives the same assessment. It's the VI SPIDAT that Karen mentioned. And we use that tool to determine the appropriate housing intervention for each person who's assessed. Then placement in available permanent supportive housing happens through a biweekly placement case conferencing session that all homeless dedicated permanent supportive housing beds across the county are allocated through coordinated entry. So no longer do you get on a homeward bound waiting list and a Buckaloo waiting list and a Ritter Center waiting list. You receive the same assessment, and all of those vacancies are filled through the same process. |
| 01:21:39.87 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | So the assessment will, people who score over an eight on the assessment are appropriate for permanent supportive housing. That list is dynamically prioritized. It's no longer first come, first serve. So people who are, if somebody were to score a 15 tomorrow, they would be housed sooner than somebody who scored an 11 six weeks ago. Since we've implemented this new system, our housing placement rate has really skyrocketed. In the first 18 months of the HOT program, which was the precursor to Coordinated Entry, we were able to successfully house about 23 very high-needs, chronically homeless persons, which in itself was quite an accomplishment. Since Coordinated Entry took over, Coordinated Entry has been operating for 13 months now, but in the first 12 months, we were successfully able to house 70 high-needs, chronically homeless folks. Previously, we had about 24 units turnover each year. So you can see we've both added units and we are successfully housing more vulnerable persons. |
| 01:22:44.42 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to break in here because this is gonna be misleading. Jill, I'm sorry. |
| 01:22:48.65 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:22:48.67 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Jill. |
| 01:22:48.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. I'm really gonna let her finish and then we'll make comments. So can you mark this slide? |
| 01:22:53.06 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE Sure. What this slide number is? Because I- Slide 10, or slide nine. |
| 01:22:57.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:57.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | What this slide number is? |
| 01:22:58.97 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:23:09.46 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | So in addition to overhauling our permanent supportive housing system, we recognized that our shelter system also needed some major shifts. Both Mill Street and New Beginning Center, which are respectively located in San Rafael and Novato, are shifting to the housing focused shelter model. That's an evidence-based practice and shelter stays are now focused on people exiting shelter and re-entering permanent housing as quickly as possible. We are, people are able to access shelter with no preconditions. There's no sobriety. It's the harm reduction philosophy that's listed there. No sobriety requirements. There's no more nightly fee to stay at the Mill Street Center. And every interaction with shelter staff is really focused on what's your housing plan, how are we going to get you out of homelessness and into housing as quickly as possible. And as soon as the programs are able to hire the appropriate case management, there will be case management and housing location services available to shelter participants during the day. |
| 01:24:13.55 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | The Mill Street and New Beginning Center began operating on this model on July 1st of this year. And in the first three months of operations, we've actually had some pretty impressive outcomes. This is our total list of beds across the county. And in those beds, in the first three months, there were, I believe it's 31 households entered a permanent housing destination out of shelter. |
| 01:24:46.73 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | As we began implementing some of these other changes, other systems gaps became very obvious, so I'd like to spend just a moment to address some of these with you and tell you how we've worked on filling them. So first off, our Landlord Partnership and Housing Locator Program. One thing we found is that people with vouchers are often unable to find landlords who are willing to rent to them. So the Landlord Partnership and Housing Locator Program, both funded through the county at the Marin Housing Authority, are programs designed to make voucher holders more attractive to landlords. So the Landlord Partnership Program will pay vacancy payments, they'll pay extra damages costs, and there are other incentives, including a 24-hour crisis line for landlords to reach the Housing Authority. And the Housing Locator is a real estate specialist stationed at the Housing Authority who works with landlords to locate new units for people who are holding a permanent supportive housing voucher through coordinated entry. |
| 01:25:50.45 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | We recognize that there are a number of gaps in our outreach system, as well as many overlaps. So we are working hard to eliminate that overlap, to better coordinate our outreach services, and to make sure that our gaps, including Southern Marin and the anchor outs, are filled. That's an ongoing process. And I look forward to updating you on our progress with that in future weeks. And then finally, Whole Person Care is a new program through HHS that is the Medi-Cal 1115 waiver program through the state. So it allows us to use Medi-Cal dollars for things that are not usually Medi-Cal billable, including most importantly here in Marin, housing-focused case management. That housing-focused case management provides, quote-unquote, whatever it takes case management services to people who have not traditionally had access to them. We're successfully pairing that case management service with vouchers, mainstream section eight vouchers from the Marin Housing Authority to effectively create a new permanent supportive housing program of up to 15 new beds each year. And then secondly, Hope Person Care makes data sharing and client care coordination much more possible than it used to be. We have a robust release of information that includes health care providers, law enforcement, social service providers, and nonprofits that allows us to case conference and share detailed information about each client so that we can make sure that those clients' needs are met. |
| 01:27:23.36 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | So we do have a few... Oops. Sorry, I missed this slide. We do have a few preliminary outcomes to share with you. In the first six months of 2018, emergency department visits among whole person care enrollees were down 36%. And We saw a 44% reduction in hospitalizations over the same time period. |
| 01:27:54.36 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | And then finally, some exciting news. The state is investing a significant amount of money in homelessness for the first time. Both of these programs are one-time funding. The Homeless Emergency Assistance Program is $4.8 million, including a $200,000 set aside for youth. And that money, the RFP just closed today. The selection will be made public tomorrow but that money was prioritized for permanent supportive housing particularly acquisition construction and rehabilitation costs for people who are high needs and chronically homeless and the California Emergency Solutions and Housing Program is approximately half a million dollars and the community priorities for those funds were for programs like diversion, housing navigation, and support services in permanent supportive housing. |
| 01:28:51.38 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | And I'm happy to take your questions. |
| 01:28:53.19 | Jill Hoffman | Thanks, Jill. Thank you. OK, so I'm going to go back to your second slide, you know, when you're talking about the point in time. And especially the Sausalito number here of 36 homeless people. |
| 01:29:03.82 | Unknown | MMM. |
| 01:29:10.65 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:29:11.43 | Jill Hoffman | And so I talked with the police department yesterday And they have a pretty good idea of how many homeless people we have here in Sausalito. And their idea is that it's about six. On land. On land, yeah. |
| 01:29:22.25 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | On land. |
| 01:29:23.35 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Yeah. You said 36 on land, not on land and water. |
| 01:29:25.54 | Jill Hoffman | not. |
| 01:29:25.84 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:29:27.55 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | It was 36 people counted on land in Sausalito. Some of those folks may have been sleeping in the boats in Richardson Bay, but they were counted here on land. |
| 01:29:37.42 | Jill Hoffman | Well, okay. regardless of your speculation about where these people were actually living. Your report here that we're relying on tonight about whether or not there's a need, I mean one of the things, the policy things that we're looking at as a city council is I hope. that we're looking at as a city council. is whether or not there's a need in Sausalito that justifies this type of program here in Sausalito. And so when I see a number like 36, I don't, you know, and when the police, when I talk to the police who have the best knowledge about what's going on in our town, and they're telling me it's more like a number of six. So that's quite a disparity. And so do you have any other information other than the point in time count that was done 2017 about what the numbers are and that was January of 2017 |
| 01:30:27.18 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | January 2017, I don't have any more information other than that. Although we will be conducting, as I said, a new count in January 2019, which may reflect the police's information more accurately, I don't know. |
| 01:30:38.59 | Jill Hoffman | And when you say, When you say, and then in the number, when we're talking about Richardson Bay, and 86 people living on Richardson Bay, Is that county waters or Sausalito waters, or did you differentiate? |
| 01:30:52.21 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | We didn't differentiate. |
| 01:30:53.56 | Jill Hoffman | So that's all of Richardson Bay. So you don't, I mean, you have no way of knowing if this 86 represents people who are living in Sausalito waters or people who are living in county waters. |
| 01:31:04.85 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | No, it wasn't differentiated. |
| 01:31:09.98 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so then the slide that I'd like to go back to is the one where I tried to butt in and I was told not to. I think it was 10. at least nine or 10. And here's why I was this is my concern. Is it? I don't want there to be any confusion about We have a mobile homeless shower program that's only been able to house Well, a month ago it was one person, or the last time they were here, September 25th. It was one person and now it's up to three? Is that what she just said? Is that what Karen just said? |
| 01:31:49.11 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:31:49.13 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:31:49.25 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Bye. |
| 01:31:49.38 | Jill Hoffman | So two, so we're up to two. |
| 01:31:50.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | three on their own. So three people on their own. |
| 01:31:52.44 | Jill Hoffman | I treat people on the road. |
| 01:31:53.19 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | to through coordinated entry. |
| 01:31:54.75 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Two through coordinated entry. So when we're talking about this slide, this is countywide. Thank you. |
| 01:32:00.65 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:32:00.94 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay, so when we're talking about the Mobile Homeless Shower Program, only two. So just so we're clear, I've got that right. |
| 01:32:07.25 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | I will defer to Karen. |
| 01:32:09.65 | Jill Hoffman | And, What, you know, it took me about 15 minutes yesterday to understand the organizational chart of the different people in the county, or the different, not people, the different organizations in the county that are responsible for different areas addressing homelessness. The Mobile Homeless Shower Program is an independent program. Is that right? |
| 01:32:34.02 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Yes. |
| 01:32:34.42 | Jill Hoffman | It's funded independently. It's not funded by the county or or is it funded by the county? |
| 01:32:38.99 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | The county does not fund the mobile shower program. |
| 01:32:42.60 | Jill Hoffman | I guess I should ask Karen this. Who does fund the mobile homeless shower program? |
| 01:32:52.44 | Karen Stulia | Our funding came from Marin County Council of Mayors and council members. |
| 01:32:56.15 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, okay. Oh, that's it. The full budget? Yes. Not just the shower? Okay. Okay, thanks. Yeah. |
| 01:32:59.14 | Karen Stulia | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:33:04.07 | Jill Hoffman | And then. And this is, I'm getting, so when you're talking about your prioritization system, and this is something we talked about last time, and this is something that you and I have talked about for about a year now, I requested a a point multiplier because when you prioritize people for housing, you assign them a certain point. You're on a point system, right? So different people get different points. Or different conditions get different points that bumps them up in the prioritization. There was a storm last winter and I called you about a person that had been, his boat had washed up on a doc and I was trying to get him some sort of multiplier so that he could get into housing and I was told that that couldn't be done. and we've been talking about that now for about a year. And so who makes that decision at the county? |
| 01:33:58.27 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | It's not a county decision. It's a decision of the Coordinated Entry Steering Committee, which is a collaboration between, yes, the county sits on that committee, along with the St. Vincent DePaul, Executive Director, the Deputy Director of Homeward Bound, the City of San Rafael, Downtown Streets team, Marin City Health and Wellness Clinic, and other partners as well. So it's collaborative of homeless services agencies running the coordinated entry program who makes that decision. |
| 01:34:24.41 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, and we have approached that committee as well with a multiplier, to request the multiplier, and that's been turned down, right? Yes. OK. So. |
| 01:34:32.36 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | YES. |
| 01:34:35.78 | Jill Hoffman | So if we last week most recently last week and so the so we can all agree based on |
| 01:34:35.89 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Most recently. |
| 01:34:43.30 | Jill Hoffman | that if mobile homeless shower program in Sausalio is not going to be able to really have much of a prayer of housing anybody, it's really just a shower program. |
| 01:34:53.06 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | No, I would actually disagree with that. I think part of the first step in getting anybody connected with housing is getting them connected to the system as a whole and building relationships with folks. The anchor out population in particular has been historically resistant to accessing services and engaging with our service providers. The mobile shower program, I think, provides an opportunity to build trust and relationships and hopefully bring people in and make them more likely to engage in a housing search to actually do the VI SPDAT, that coordinated entry assessment. And that's the first step. |
| 01:35:26.14 | Jill Hoffman | Right, but even if they do, that's the first step, but at the end of the day, you still don't have housing for them and you're not gonna give us a multiplier to get them into housing faster based on our request because of the dangerous situation that they live in. |
| 01:35:39.19 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Many of the things that cause people who are living on Richardson Bay to be vulnerable are vulnerable because of things like mental health issues, like substance use issues, and those things are captured in the assessment that we're using. |
| 01:35:39.40 | Jill Hoffman | Right? |
| 01:35:50.36 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | So I cannot promise you that everybody out there will get housed as a result of the mobile shower program, but the more people who come in and who are willing to participate in the coordinated entry system, the more people are likely to get housed. |
| 01:36:03.57 | Jill Hoffman | But, okay. But what you're telling me is that there isn't housing for them. And you're not going to give them a multiplier to help them move off faster. What we've seen in the mobile shower program has been operating for Only two people have been moved out. all things being equal, When you agree it's going to, people that live on the anchorage are not going to be able to move faster into housing because they're coming to the mobile homeless shower program. Thank you. They're gonna get a shower and I get it. So for us, as a policy decision, why are we looking at this mobile shower program? It really is just about providing showers. I mean, I'm not saying that that's not a valid reason for it, but I want to be clear with the people of Sausalito who are trying to decide. |
| 01:36:47.66 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:36:48.68 | Jill Hoffman | No, no, this is a follow-up question for her. |
| 01:36:53.50 | Unknown | Sorry. I want to reply. |
| 01:36:55.44 | Jill Hoffman | Is there, I mean is there. So why would we, okay, why would we expect that anybody that comes to a shower in Sausalito would get housing when it's been going on for a year and only two people have gotten housing through that program. |
| 01:37:10.23 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | First of all, I'm uncomfortable with the characterization that people who are on Richardson Bay, we don't have housing for them. We have housing. As you can see, our housing rates have actually increased significantly because we're adding more and more units, but we are prioritizing housing for the people who are the most vulnerable. The Coordinated Entry Committee recognized that people who are living on the Anchorage are actually vulnerable for many reasons, but felt that it was impossible to rank the vulnerability of people of certain living arrangements because people who are living on land are also living in very vulnerable situations. To the extent that people who are living on Richardson Bay are vulnerable per our assessment, which tracks things like mental health issues, substance use, medical issues, interactions with the police, histories of assault, any of those factors, which I imagine many of them will score well on, to the extent that they score. in the appropriate range, we do have housing for them. The mobile shower program provides us an opportunity to engage with that population and actually conduct the assessment so that we know what the appropriate housing intervention is for that population. |
| 01:38:21.49 | Jill Hoffman | Well, do you have anything, any, evidence to show that if you set up some sort of office or some sort of kiosk or something along the waterfront to help bring, you know, avail whoever in Sausalito of the same type of program, but just not with the showers, that it would be even more successful or less successful? |
| 01:38:48.64 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | I don't. I'd be happy to defer to Karen. But we do know that when you offer a carrot of some kind, outreach is often more successful. So whether that's a pair of socks or a shower or a gift card, it's a great tool for outreach workers. |
| 01:39:02.01 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 01:39:05.41 | Jill Hoffman | Did you have anybody, I'm sorry, just my last question. |
| 01:39:05.70 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | I have. |
| 01:39:10.56 | Jill Hoffman | Has there ever been a presentation? And what do you call the, I'm sorry, what's the name for the committee of all the players when you guys are all together? Is there a name for that? Just the coordinated entries. |
| 01:39:18.68 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | The steering committee. Just the coordinated entry steering committee. |
| 01:39:21.78 | Jill Hoffman | Have you guys ever invited or talked to anybody that has experience in safety on the water and the increased danger of people who live on the water that used to living on the water that have no skills or safety skills for living on the water. Did you guys address that or invite anybody to come in and talk about that? |
| 01:39:40.55 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | We have invited Chief Rohrabacher and Adam Bullitzer to come and speak with us. We were never able to finalize a date. |
| 01:39:48.75 | Jill Hoffman | I thought you, okay. Well. |
| 01:39:52.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:39:52.09 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:39:52.11 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:39:52.14 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Yeah. |
| 01:39:52.16 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:39:52.19 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Thank you. But we're happy to do that at any time. |
| 01:39:55.45 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | The chief and the city manager attended a meeting last week with um, county health and human services officials on this very issue, right? |
| 01:40:04.98 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | not on the specific issue, but related, on homelessness. |
| 01:40:09.57 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, it was the meeting before where we had the conversation at the county meeting where John and I attended. And we were told at that meeting that they heard our requests, but the other committee, which we weren't a part of, that you shared, basically gave the answer that you gave earlier, that it did not rise up to that level. I'm not just... |
| 01:40:36.77 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And I'll just say that Supervisor Kate Sears has told me personally that she is also going to approach that committee with a plea that the committee reconsider adding the vulnerability of folks living on the waterfront as one of the data measures on the, what is it, VI SPDAT. |
| 01:40:58.49 | Jill Hoffman | it. |
| 01:40:58.70 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Thank you. |
| 01:41:00.03 | Jill Hoffman | Metric matrix. |
| 01:41:01.70 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | She's more than welcome to herself. |
| 01:41:03.52 | Jill Hoffman | Did anybody, so Richardson Bay Regional Agency, as it currently exists, is led by Beth Pollard. Is Beth here in the room? Yeah, so that's the next presentation. We had a good lineup tonight. Beth, The representative from Belvedere, Marty Winters, the representative from Tiburon, Jim Frazier, at our last joint meeting said that they all four supported a multiplier for people that lived on the water to access housing through the county system. And have you heard Were you aware of that? |
| 01:41:38.62 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | No, we have not heard from that group directly. Would that not? |
| 01:41:41.24 | Jill Hoffman | Would that have any sway over your group that four municipalities also support a multiplier for people trying to transition off the water. |
| 01:41:52.71 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | I really can't speak to the will of the group. I can say that I think that such a multiplier would lead to other jurisdictions approaching us for multipliers for their unsheltered population. For example, it's quite dangerous living in encampments. |
| 01:42:12.59 | Jill Hoffman | Is an encampment going to sink? Is someone going to drown in an encampment overnight during a storm? |
| 01:42:16.47 | Ashley Hart McIntyre | Thank you. |
| 01:42:16.49 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | or night during a storm. |
| 01:42:17.60 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:42:17.64 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:42:17.65 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:42:17.69 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So Jill, this is not This is not, we're not debating this issue tonight. If you have questions related to the presentation, let's confine them to that. |
| 01:42:25.62 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 01:42:26.43 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:42:26.48 | Jill Hoffman | Well, okay, but we are gonna, I think, |
| 01:42:28.93 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:42:28.98 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:42:29.01 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | you Thank you. |
| 01:42:29.25 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:42:29.26 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:42:29.28 | Jill Hoffman | AND YOU CAN'T GET THEM TO |
| 01:42:29.52 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And you address that make your comments known when we get to that case. |
| 01:42:29.53 | Jill Hoffman | We do need to address that. |
| 01:42:34.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, other questions of Ashley? All right. Thanks, Ashley. |
| 01:43:02.88 | Bill Frost | Well, as we continue on with our presentation, now it's time to go into outreach. |
| 01:43:11.67 | Bill Frost | The first outreach we did was back on October 5th through October 7th, in which Saucyote Police personnel distributed more than 300 flyers throughout the community personally. These flyers were distributed throughout the Marin Ship, Liberty Ship area, Caledonia, and from the 1600 block of Bridgeway to the intersection of Bridgeway and El Portal. Um, Myself and two parking enforcement officers conducted this. We received very positive feedback from the individuals we did contact. There was only one negative contact. And it was quite a laugh when one group of business people saw me stumble over my own two feet as I was walking up some stairs. but very positive and we were able to distribute information regarding the program. The goals of the program as well as this city council meeting and the workshop. that was held earlier in October. THE CITY IS A earlier a couple weeks ago, I believe it was October 23rd, as well as our mobile shower tour. that was held on October the 11th. In addition to those flyers, we reached out via social media. We took that same information that was distributed to everybody in flyers and we sent it out to individuals via text message and emails through Nixle, we sent almost 2,900 text messages throughout our community AS WELL AS 1,283 emails with all the information about the workshop, The mobile shower tours, the purpose of the mobile shower program The goals of the mobile shower program and information regarding the city council meeting for the public. A mobile shower trailer tour was held on Thursday, October 11th from 1 to 4 p.m. The trailer was brought to four locations. This was in order to show individuals the trailer, get them to be familiarized with and also to evaluate certain locations to see if they were suitable sites. The trailer was brought to Marinship Park. to 300 Locust Street, the upper parking lot to 300 Turney Street, the area by the boat ramp, as well as municipal parking lot number four. During these three hours, eight members of the community came and viewed the trailers. There were four members at Marinship Park, person at 300 locust, two people at the boat ramp, a 300 attorney, and one person in municipal parking lot four. All these individuals, that showed up. did actually give positive comments about the trailers and weighed in on the locations that they showed up at. In addition to the flyers, the social media, and the trailer tour, community flyer mailing informing people of the community meeting. as well as the purpose of the mobile trailer program And the goals of the Mobile Shower Trailer Program These were sent to 873 addresses along the routes and the areas that possible sites were being considered of. |
| 01:46:23.76 | Bill Frost | And then we also utilized the Sausalito Currents. Six articles were done in Sausalito, Currents starting in late September and running through late October. The articles covered the trailer program, the goals of the program, the proposed sites. the workshop, the trailer tours, and other general information regarding the program itself and the Downtown Streets team and the entire program throughout the county. media. This generated A little bit of media. There were news stories on Cron and Channel 2 News, as well as KPIX News, about the mobile showers possibly coming to Sausalito. about the city considering it. as well as the purposes of the program. There were also print media that did stories. The Marin IJ ran a story and the Marin Scope ran a story. |
| 01:47:18.82 | Bill Frost | In order to reach as many people as possible and answer as many questions as possible, the city of Sausalito created a mobile shower, internet site. on our Hot Topics website. that. informed the public regarding all the same information we distributed in flyers, discussed in the media and discussed with the public the trailer tour and the workshop. The workshop was held on October 23rd at 6 o'clock in this very room. A total of eight people showed up, seven in the room, and one individual who hung out by the door all night listening. At that time, Karen Strulia and myself informed the public regarding the trailer program. some of the sites we were looking at, informed them of the goals of the program, and if some of the information we have discovered during our community outreach. And at that time also, we had the trailer in the City Hall parking lot for individuals to look at and view as we gauge that site as a possible site. In addition to all that, we wanted to get feedback from the community through a survey. So we did two online surveys. The first survey we did was through Nextdoor. We asked the question, does this Citizens support a mobile shower service in Sausalito. These numbers are as of November 8th. There were only three people that additionally put in information during those last couple of days However, approximately the numbers here show 66% in favor 34% not in favor. During the last three days, it changed very small from 65 in favor to 35 not in favor. And all that information has been provided to you in late mail regarding all these surveys. We didn't have enough time to update all the slides in this presentation. And as we go into the open hall, that's gonna be a little bit more explanation is that we did have a few more people but they did not change the numbers in any dramatic sense. You have all that information. The numbers are still These numbers are still very representative of what the community feelings are. Regarding our open city hall survey, We put this information out and we got information from individuals that either registered or did not They're called unregistered. And the key aspect is we wanna explain what those two different types of survey takers were. Registered users, in order to be a registered user, they had to create an open City Hall account with a email and a password. This account had to be confirmed via the email address, and these users self-identified their own residents. So they had to say who they were, where they lived, and verify who they were. individuals were. unregistered users, they take the survey without registering or verifying with an email address. The unregistered users will receive a cookie, in their web browser to discourage them from taking the survey multiple times. However, a person who is unregistered could go back in via another computer erasing their internet history. or by creating different by going in and then registering themselves, and they could take the, survey multiple times as an unregistered user. We did the next door survey in order to help verify numbers that we were seeing because the next door survey was extremely similar to our registered user survey. And all the numbers that we're gonna be talking of that we're gonna see as of November 8th, Just a quick little update though, regarding our number of registered users that As of November 8th, there were 166. Well, as of this morning, when the survey shut down, there were 180 people that were registered users. 166 of those gave information that they were Sausalito residents. 14 were outside of Sausalito. |
| 01:51:27.97 | Bill Frost | So as we looked, we asked six simple questions. Number one is do you support a mobile shower service in Sausalito? 71% or 71.1. I want to be factually correct. of the registered users supported the show. uh, 47? Closer to 48% of the unregistered users support the shower. And altogether, we looked at approximately 58% of the people were the users supported the shower program. As we looked at individuals that did not support Approximately 29% of the registered users didn't support approximately 52% of unregistered users didn't support And altogether, 42% of the individuals that took the survey did not support the program. When asked if the shower should be held at a single location or a multiple location, out of the Registered users, 52% said it should be at one location. 61.9%. said that of the unregistered users, said that I should be at a single location. and approximately 57% of all users said one location. almost 48% of unregistered users or, said that it should be at So, 38% of unregistered users said it should be at multiple locations. 48% of registered users said, it should be at multiple locations, and altogether approximately 43 percent of all survey takers. said that it should be at multiple locations. what location should be considered, and they were able to set up. |
| 01:53:10.87 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So, Lieutenant, I'm gonna say, you don't have to read all of these out loud, just give us a quick and dirty summary. All right, so I'm just gonna basically say |
| 01:53:14.46 | Bill Frost | OUT. I'm just going to basically say all users aspect because that gives the best overall picture. But as you could say, you could take a look. Yeah. Is that if you look 300 Locust Street, 62% of all users said 300 Locust Street was an acceptable location. |
| 01:53:23.19 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 01:53:32.42 | Bill Frost | City Hall parking lot came out as 36% of all users. Marin Shep Park was approximately 71% of all users. Parking lot number four was 36%, and Attorney Street boat ramp was approximately 46%. The majority of individuals stated that the shower should be either done on two or more days. As you can see, the numbers were in the 46 percentage area, 44 percentage, only nine closer to 10% of all users said it should only be held one day a week. The vast majority of individuals said the shower should be held during the morning. 84% of the registered users and 84% of all users gave that information. And then we got for afternoon was in the area of 52%. And the evening was in the area of 36%. Now, we got that information, we also wanted to research all the individual sites, because there are pros and cons with any of the sites, but we wanted to make sure we gave the best representation to all the sites that we looked at. So the first site we looked at was Marine Ship Park. There are positives and, like we said, negatives. The positives, level terrain. available space. four setting up service tables and having people be there to be able to access the shower. if needed, access to water and electrical power if generators ran out or they needed additional water service. There's ample room to maneuver the truck and the mobile trailer. It's not a small car. It does need space to move around. And there's going to be no traffic congestion or impact on the roadways in that location. The negative is there is no close access to the land from water for individuals that may have tried to access want to use this but have to access the land from the water. |
| 01:55:22.17 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And so at this point, can you skip to your summary slide of all of the locations? You got it. All right. |
| 01:55:25.53 | Bill Frost | You got it. |
| 01:55:32.55 | Bill Frost | Very slow computer. |
| 01:55:38.02 | Bill Frost | As we look at this, we see all the pros and all the negatives. As we evaluated everything, Marin Ship Park had the most pros, they're the X's, followed by City Hall that had the most pros. We looked, 300 locusts is acceptable because they do have some positive aspects and it does give us room. We did find out municipal parking lot number four in the Turney Street boat ramp were unacceptable due to the terrain Due to the location, due to their size, and due to the impact that they would have on I'm not sure. on traffic in the area as well as the lack of the trailers to be able to maneuver in those locations. In addition to those key aspects, we wanted to point out the funding aspect, and Karen really spoke more of this than anything. This is that it's funded. based on the Marin mayors and council members group, donations or the money they gave to the old rest program that's been turned over to the mobile shower program, Sausalito's portion of this is 11.4. $11,540 annually. So our recommendations. We asked the City Council to receive this report and Jurek staff to work with the Downtown Streets team to enter into an agreement the Marin Mobile Care to develop and operate a six-month mobile shower pilot program at Marinship Park. and the Sausalito City Hall parking lot. or alternatively, 300 Locust Street parking lot. twice per week, for six months beginning in December of this year. Conditions of this approval to provide this service on weekdays only with the hours of 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. Alternatively, add an evening option at the City Hall parking lot from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. We ask that you direct us to conduct outreach to the neighboring businesses, faith-based organizations, potential customers and maximize the number of participants while minimizing any impacts in surrounding neighbors. and also to return to the city council in March of next year with the status report. On the program. And with that, I am happy to answer any questions that you may have. |
| 01:57:50.60 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm gonna ask one question and then turn it over to others. Can you go back to your last slide So we heard from Karen earlier tonight that in this cold weather, Um, folks don't tend to get up so early. the can I ask you why you're proposing to provide service on weekdays from 6 a.m. to 9 a.m.? I'm not sure I would make it. down there. |
| 01:58:17.32 | Bill Frost | The community outreach aspect turnout showed that many of the community members do want that aspect, want that time. Okay. But also as we are looking at that, we're also looking at the times where we could host these at locations that are not gonna have other impacts on other aspects of our society and of our community. during those times. while You may not have a lot of people coming out. I could tell you from working on the streets in Sausalito for 23 years, there are people that are going to be moving about, especially during a large three-hour time frame such as that. So I mean, it's tough to say what people's waking habits are but people are out and about. If we deliver a service at a certain time, People will come. |
| 01:58:58.83 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:58:58.85 | Jill Hoffman | OK other questions from Council members. I do. |
| 01:59:01.90 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:59:01.94 | Bill Frost | Please. |
| 01:59:02.34 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | you |
| 01:59:02.49 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. I have a question about the survey responses. So if you could go back to the open hall slide. I'm sorry, I don't know what slide that was. |
| 01:59:15.49 | Jill Hoffman | The town, the open, whatever it is, town hall. |
| 01:59:24.62 | Jill Hoffman | So, and then, I'm sorry, and then go forward to the actual results of just, yeah. So here's the interesting thing, is that, Oh, sorry, one more. |
| 01:59:44.75 | Jill Hoffman | Which is the slide that has, I'm sorry, that has the support or don't support the. |
| 01:59:53.54 | Jill Hoffman | Oh yeah, okay there it is, I'm sorry. So 52.1% of unregistered users do not support |
| 02:00:02.53 | Jill Hoffman | and 28.9% of registered users do not support. um, you know, I think those are really interesting numbers, but then I thought it was also interesting, and when you're talking about surveys and flaws and surveys and things, that as you go through the survey, you're only giving people option for showers. At that point, you're assuming that they've said yes, and there's no way to correct out for So the only people that are answering, presumably those questions are people that that, wanted the showers, well not want them, but support the program is what I meant to say. And so I'm not sure from the perspective of relying on that type of a survey, Um, because of the way it was constructed, it looks like as you go forward that, you know, the majority of the people, whatever. Jill, I'm not hearing a question yet. |
| 02:00:53.95 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | the results. |
| 02:00:55.99 | Jill Hoffman | Well, that was it. The results were, when you did the survey, did you think about that or did you Was there ever talked about being an option at the bottom of each question? Still, I don't support none of the above. I mean, there weren't. I mean, so, I mean, Was that addressed or? |
| 02:01:18.10 | Bill Frost | There was not a, I don't support any of the above or none of the above. but people were allowed to comment and there were comments given, and so if individuals could comment if they didn't have a see any of the information they wanted to select on any of the options given. they had the input aspect of being able to reply with comments afterwards. |
| 02:01:37.79 | Jill Hoffman | But the results of the survey then The value of the results of the survey I think are undermined by the fact that you you don't have that piece of information for each of those questions. If you had had another button on there that said, I don't support you know, the showers, then it wouldn't be a certain percentage is for or against two days a week or three days a week, that percentage presumably would have gone down across the board. Would you agree with that? |
| 02:02:04.73 | Bill Frost | There is a possibility. We're talking about hypotheticals. |
| 02:02:05.98 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 02:02:08.22 | Bill Frost | Yeah. |
| 02:02:08.30 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 02:02:08.56 | Bill Frost | Thank you. possible. |
| 02:02:08.93 | Jill Hoffman | Wow. |
| 02:02:09.52 | Bill Frost | Okay. Actually, our city librarian is more versed with our program, so he could be able to answer the survey program better than we would. THANK YOU. |
| 02:02:18.87 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:02:18.88 | Abby Chambers | Thank you. Thank you, Abby, and welcome. You're welcome, Abby Chambers, your city librarian, also your director of communications. Jill, to answer your question, within the survey, we did have after that first question, do you support a mobile shower program, a note that says only answer the following questions if you said yes, otherwise skip to the end. So I think my message would be, |
| 02:02:37.92 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:02:37.97 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:02:43.03 | Abby Chambers | that top line number of support and not support, that's the most important one to pay attention to. And the message was really for people who supported it, Given that that was the case, under what circumstances does that support exist? |
| 02:02:58.73 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:02:58.74 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:03:01.53 | Abby Chambers | Thank you. |
| 02:03:01.54 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, thanks. |
| 02:03:02.42 | Abby Chambers | Thank you. |
| 02:03:02.56 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | you Thanks, Abbott. I'm sorry. Other questions of Lieutenant Frost? No? Is that the end of the presentation on mobile showers? |
| 02:03:12.82 | Bill Frost | That is the one aspect I forgot to mention while I was going through is in order to get as much feedback as we can from the community and knowing that the waterfront is a part of our community, We did distribute hard copies of the survey to every single vessel that is in Sausalito waters. We did not receive any hard copies back. So we did make them available at a waterfront community meeting, as well as by putting these copies of surveys on individual's boats. But other than that, I am finished. Sorry, I do have another follow-up. |
| 02:03:40.51 | Jill Hoffman | Sorry, I do have another follow-up. Thank you, okay. If we could go back to the last, the recommendation, |
| 02:03:41.57 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you very much. |
| 02:03:49.10 | Jill Hoffman | and we talked a little bit about this I think on the first, on September 25th, So the odd thing about this, the way this pilot program has been presented as opposed to other pilot programs or other things that come before the city council There's just, there's a recommendation that it be adopted. No. it's a good thing. is that, but when we talked yesterday, It's not your personal or the police department's recommendation that it be adopted. It's just this is the program. Am I saying this right? Or how would you characterize that? |
| 02:04:27.25 | Bill Frost | It's the city's recommendation. |
| 02:04:29.28 | Jill Hoffman | So, but the city meaning who? the city meaning the city manager, the city meaning the staff, because normally when we have a pilot program or any kind of program come to us, we have alternatives. One alternative is, You know. further consideration of the pilot program. Another alternative might be further research or further you know, further coordination with the downtown street seat to come up with a program to bring back to the city council. Like those are always given as an alter, or almost always, But in this case, Who is the recommendation coming from? I'm not clear on that. |
| 02:05:08.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I will say that at our last meeting in September we did give direction to do community outreach and then return back to us with the outcome of that community outreach as you presented and the pilot program that was initially enunciated. But it's not. Let me ask you this. |
| 02:05:22.03 | Jill Hoffman | I agree |
| 02:05:22.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:05:23.46 | Jill Hoffman | Right. But it's not. |
| 02:05:24.97 | Unknown | So, |
| 02:05:27.21 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | May the City Council direct staff to go out for further community outreach or further research or may the City Council this evening decline to adopt the pilot program. |
| 02:05:38.65 | Bill Frost | the city council could take either of those options or provide us with other options. |
| 02:05:42.99 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:05:46.61 | Bill Frost | Do you have questions? |
| 02:05:47.36 | Susan Shea | Thank you. |
| 02:05:47.76 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, I'm gonna open it up for public comment and I have some speaker cards. The first speaker card is from Peter Glazer. And after Peter, we'll hear from Paul Mowry. |
| 02:06:09.73 | Peter Glazer | Hi, Peter Glazer again. I've been a resident since 1980. I actually took advantage of the shower today and it was wonderful. I don't have a shower on my boat. It's too small for me to build a shower on it and you know I do what I call bird baths and it's really a nice option. One does feel a lot better when one takes a shower and I'm sure it's nicer when I'm on shore for other people around me that I've taken a shower. It is a good outreach, I believe, for people that really need housing and want housing. They asked me a number of questions today, offered me a number of options, and I assume they did that with everyone that took advantage of the shower. I think it would be Certainly doesn't really do the city any harm to do a six-month pilot program if it were not working out Within six months hopefully one would be able to determine such and if it did work out well I think it would be a good thing for the city to adopt permanently It seems to be a good program and There were promises made some 40 years ago for us to have us the anchor outs. I'm not a homeless person. We most of us who are anchored out, we consider ourselves to have a home. Albeit very few of us have showers on our boats. But I really think it is a good program, and it would behoove the city to do such a program. And I thank the police department, who I actually did not see the October 11th thing until October 12th. But in reading it, it was really well put together, and they made a lot of good, intelligent points. And I believe those points to be true true that it does give people a sense of dignity it does give them an option to look for certain opportunities be it to go apply for a job to look for housing I think it really does everyone well in this town, both those who it affects directly, those of us who would take advantage of the shower, and those who come into contact with those of us who would get the shower, i.e. the business owners and other residents of the city. So I thank you for your consideration and hopefully approving this six-month pilot program. Thank you. |
| 02:08:42.00 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:08:47.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, Paul Mowry and then Alden Bevington. |
| 02:08:52.88 | Unknown | Hi, I'm the Reverend Paul Mowry. I'm pastor of the Sausalito Presbyterian Church. Just a quick note, we run a hot lunch every week at the church, and we have, on average, 25 to 30 people every week. I would say almost the extraordinary majority of whom do not have showers. Second to that, I'd like to say, you know, Albert Einstein once said, the most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe. And if I knew Albert, I would have told him that I think the second most important decision we make is whether we ourselves are going to be friendly or hostile presences in that universe. Coming next week, many of us are going to get together and we're going to be friendly or hostile presences in that universe. Coming next week, many of us are gonna get together and we're gonna gather with friends and family and we are going to have a feast and we are going to share good times with friends. Many of us will feel like we overate. Many of us will take a little time to say things we're thankful for. I'm guessing almost none of us will say heat Thank you. a warm place to sleep, electricity, running water, a shower, And we don't really understand the value of those things. We don't understand the power of feeling clean and how it impacts how people see us. If my good friends and neighbors here had any of those luxuries this year, that's what I would be most thankful for. Thank you. |
| 02:10:43.13 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Alden. Alden Bevington and then Michael Davis. Hey folks, we have a lot of folks I want to hear from tonight. So I'm going to ask you to hold your applause and your comments so that we can make sure we hear from everybody. |
| 02:10:59.58 | Alden Bevington | Sure, thank you. Alden, welcome. Hi, thank you so much. Alden Bevington. I wanted to say that I felt a little bit uncomfortable with some of the things that I heard coming out of city council regarding this shower program. I have for a long time felt that it was possibly disingenuous. There's been a long, I understand this, I'm not making value judgments on people's motivations because I don't know where everyone's coming from, but just from what I was hearing, for instance, from Council Member Hoffman, I couldn't exactly tell, but it sounded to me like, why would we give these people showers if it doesn't help us get rid of them? And, you know, I heard Marin Human Services say very clearly that when people have showers and they have dignity, it assists them to move forward into their lives and function more, better in society. And I just want to make sure, you know, I've seen greenwashing and I've seen whitewashing, and I started to get the feeling that this was something I didn't know could exist, and that's washwashing. And I'm hoping that if this is applied, that it is that you not only agree to the pilot program but you continually use it as an opportunity to investigate your motivations make sure it doesn't tip into using running like a PR front for you know like we're giving this but actually we're hammering them on the other side so I just encourage a holistic Approach and I just wanted to read a quote that was in the IJ today front page article. I was quoted at the very end of the article Saying that Those with economic advantage are kept in their better selves when faced with the care and responsibility for those that haven't won the game. And I want to encourage us all to keep in our better selves as we go through this. |
| 02:10:59.88 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Alden, welcome. |
| 02:13:13.19 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks, Alden. Michael Davis and then David Lay. |
| 02:13:23.76 | Michael Davis | Michael Davis, counsel. This pertains to the vessel Pronto II. I'm the owner. I understand that it's supposed to go on the hard tomorrow at Army Corps of Engineers. um, |
| 02:13:37.56 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Actually, |
| 02:13:37.73 | Michael Davis | I did it. |
| 02:13:40.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | That's our next item. Our waterfront management is our next item. This is, this item is about mobile showers. Did you have a comment about mobile showers? |
| 02:13:50.02 | Michael Davis | Now, I had something about my boat out there on the anchorage. |
| 02:13:52.46 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, we'll take that at 6B. So can you stick around and chat with us in a few minutes? |
| 02:13:57.85 | Michael Davis | Oh, sure. |
| 02:13:58.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, thanks. |
| 02:13:59.13 | Michael Davis | Thank you. |
| 02:13:59.18 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:13:59.26 | Michael Davis | Thank you. |
| 02:13:59.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. All right, David Lay. |
| 02:14:00.33 | Michael Davis | David Lay? |
| 02:14:01.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. David Lay and then David Souto. |
| 02:14:09.52 | David Lay | Thank you very much. I've lived on the water for over 20 years here, maybe 25, I don't know. Uh, I built a house in Vermont in 65 and I lived there until 77 when I got divorced and moved Bought a boat in 77 and sailed it over a lot of the world. Hong Kong, Alaska, Mexico, up and down the West Coast several times, Hawaii several times, triangle to Alaska, Hawaii. won a lot of races in that boat. So it was stripped out with nothing in it. And I found out after a while that you can't take a shower on a boat. It doesn't work because it gets the boat damp. all that water in there. So you do what you just said, you take a bird back. I'm one of those people that has to take a shower before I go ashore, not before I go home. Um, And that's the way I worked. I was lucky that way. Um, Some of my best friends aren't homeless, they live in boats. and People that live on boats, they don't use a lot of water. I use about three gallons a day in the summer and about two in the winter. Um, I don't drive a car. I gave that up after the oil spilled in Alaska. And that was kind of a shock, so I sold the car and a truck. So my impact on the environment is pretty low. Um, I used to burn coal and wood, now I don't burn anything. because it's warmer now. and it's really noticeable to me. Um, So my impact is really low compared to all the people that are complaining here about people that are living on the water. and where they take a crop and stuff. Um, really we've all got to change a lot. We've got to cut down a lot of trees in this town. We're just ignoring that. But the environment is really changing, and our impact is really much less than yours. Thank you. and we're all together in this mess here. Um... |
| 02:16:34.34 | David Lay | There's a lot of things you can do to make My life less safe and I'm just pleading to you not to do that I could always go just straight out through the Over the bar and just keep going until I run out of gas. Thank you very much |
| 02:16:54.65 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. David Souto and then Barbara Sapienza. |
| 02:17:03.77 | David Souto | City Council, first I would like to say I am 100% for this pilot project. It's a pilot project. If we don't like the outcome of it in six months, we can terminate it. If we really don't like it, I bet we could terminate it earlier. You know, we have, I think we have way more than six homeless people living in our town because I can probably name off the top of my head about half that list of six. And I know there's people I don't see. |
| 02:17:37.19 | David Souto | We have the problem in this town where we don't like what's going on in town, but then we also don't like to try new things to fix the problems we have. If our alternative is doing nothing and expecting something to get better or trying something and maybe it gets better and maybe it gets worse, I think we should try something and see if it gets better. I don't think that the alternative works very well. In the time that I've been in Sausalito, I've seen that that approach usually doesn't have positive effects. Thank you. |
| 02:18:12.41 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Barbara Sapienza and then Robert Tillman and that's my last speaker card. So if anyone else wants to speak on this topic, please fill out a speaker card. Thank you. |
| 02:18:24.22 | Barbara Sapienza | Hi, Barbara. Hi, Joan. Thank you very much, everybody. I really appreciate what's happening here tonight because I feel it's an opportunity to give to our neighbors. I think that I've watched other neighborhoods come into Sausalito to talk to and help and see if our anchor outs are okay. Maybe they need medicine or food or water. They've been out on the water in tough, rough seas. And I really see this as an opportunity for me as a citizen of Sausalito to give something to our community of people who have less than I have. And so I'm really like many of us, asking that we give this a try and see if this is a benefit. I feel that Maybe the small numbers deal that we're noticing has to do with the lack of trust. and that that trust when we start to give, that trust will open and there'll be more people who will come forth and begin to see what they really need so that they can move forth in their lives, as Karen and Beth and the policemen have said, with a sort of dignity and a feeling like they might have a right to work and they might have a will to work and live in housing. But right now the numbers are small, and I think this is an opportunity for us to give something so people trust us so that they can then access their own inner dignity. Thank you so much. |
| 02:20:11.26 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. All right, Robert Tillman. Thank you. Robert Tillman and then Mary Grogan. |
| 02:20:22.46 | Robert Tillman | First off, I'd like to differentiate between the transient homeless and the anchor outs i think these are entirely different populations personally i consider the anchor house to be part of sausalito and the transients not so much i operate a business in the mission it's about mission of san francisco that's about two blocks away from homeless navigation center you know we step over the homeless deal with their needles deal with all of the problems that you've read about in San Francisco, and it's not very nice. I walk up and down the waterfront in Sausalito very frequently, like twice this week, the entire waterfront. I can't recall ever seeing more than between one to three homeless people on the ground when I'm doing that. So I am very skeptical of this 36 person one time count, extremely skeptical. I think that the police department does have the best data on of the homeless and on the anchor outs. And I think the police department should provide us with baseline data. so that we have a base upon which, if you're going to do this program, to measure whether it's successful or not. if The police department says, based on their records, we have six homeless people in Sausalito, which I think is about Right. because I'm sure I'm not seeing them all as I'm going up and down the waterfront. And then, you do this program and you have 50 homeless people in Sausalito. I'm going to be very vocal about not wanting to have this homeless shower program in Sausalito. |
| 02:21:57.69 | Unknown | HE'S NOT ABLE TO DO. |
| 02:22:00.52 | Robert Tillman | So I think if you're going to make a decision, and I'm not particularly In favor of this mobile shower program, I would consider a permanent shower for anchor outs, but not a program for transient homeless, but if you're going to do this, at least have a baseline because six months from now, if you don't have a baseline, all you're going to have is anecdotes. You're not going to have any data. You're not going to have any basis upon which to make a decision. And I think that, so that we understand the magnitude of what we're dealing with the police department should use the data it already has, which I think is the best data we have, the, the transient homeless population and the anchor out population and come back at your next city council meeting with a census of those people so we understand what we're dealing with. because this is an issue where it's possible to drown in data as we've seen in here, and it's also possible to drown in emotion. I doubt seriously that many Sausalito residents who answered positively about the showers, which they probably did out of the goodness of their hearts, would support those showers if suddenly we had a 50-person transient. homeless population here up from six. So thank you. Thank you. Mary Grogan. |
| 02:23:26.87 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:23:33.98 | Mary Grogan | Good evening, Mayor and Council members. My name is Mary Grogan. I sit on the board at Sausalito Presbyterian Church. I've been a member there for almost 20 years. I'm the treasurer for many years. I've seen many things. I do not live in Sausalito, but I just want to say in brief that I do support this program, and I believe humanitarianism begins at home. And I will just leave it with that simple comment. I think consideration, humanitarianism, and generousness of heart make all the difference, along with the facts and figures, of course. Thank you so much. |
| 02:24:07.96 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. All right, thanks everybody for your public comments. I'm now going to close public comment and bring it back up here for discussion. Can you put the, we lost the slide with the recommendations. |
| 02:24:24.94 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Who wants to lead off? |
| 02:24:25.85 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:24:28.85 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:24:28.89 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, okay. Yeah, I'll try to keep my comments brief. I spoke extensively on this item the first time that we heard it. I'm very much in support. I want to thank the members of the community who have written to us and who have come to both of our meetings, both in support and opposition to this program. I also want to really thank Karen and Ashley for all of the hard work that they've done. and for combining good public policy with their enthusiasm and compassion. What I like about this program is that it's flexible in time and impact. And it's meant to provide a service to people in our community who need it, while having the least amount of impact on other members of the community. One of the speakers that just spoke referred to the possibility that this program might attract homeless members to the community. And one of the other things I really like about this program is it travels to every community. So I think three communities so far, two or three have already adopted the program and four or five are on their way. So if all of the communities in Marin do adopt the program, it won't change. the location of people who need showers. They can get a shower in their own community and Sausalito should see no impact. I think the pilot is a good test period if there are negative impacts. And so far, as Karen talked about, they have not experienced any negative impacts to neighbors or to the community. We can evaluate that after six months, and we can try to make adjustments or help mitigate any of those impacts. I'm also very convinced that showers are a very important way to make contact and build trust with members of our community. But they're also just a very basic aspect. So even if they don't work, you know, miraculously to get people, every person housed, they are just an excellent service and provide dignity, the possibility to get a shower, to go see a family member after you've had a shower. So I'm very supportive and I hope some of my fellow council members will support this tonight. Thank you. |
| 02:26:52.22 | David Lay | Right? |
| 02:26:57.08 | Jill Hoffman | Um, thank you. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles has just enumerated, I think, and analyzed the situation exactly as I see it. The I am in total support of this program. I was back in September and would have voted for that then except for the fact that I felt that there wasn't enough public outreach. You've certainly done enough public outreach so I'd like to thank staff and Karen Ashley, the whole team that has worked on this. This is an excellent job of outreach. Quite frankly, on the, what's it called, the open city town hall or whatever it is, survey, you only need to look at the first page of the data and you need to ignore the unregistered users. The registered users tell your point, tell your story. It's that simple. And that's supported by other data. So, Fundamentally and basically, this is the right thing to do. |
| 02:28:11.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:28:11.86 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. So. Well, so here's my here's my position so just to make it clear um and i appreciate alden's comments so my job as a city council member is to make sure that a program that we're that that the city council is going to implement whether what the cost is going to be, what the impacts are going to be, whether or not the people of Sausalito support it, and whether or not I think it's going to be effective in what we've defined as the goal. And so my main concern with this project the pilot project and the way that it was presented was that as Councilmember with he said there was no real outreach before it was presented as a pilot program. This is the way it normally works with city council and when we come up with a new program. There's a proposal, which I think there was last winter. Hey, there's this program that we're actually paying for in the county. Do we want to adopt it in Sausalito? And my recollection was that there was gonna be that someone was gonna come back, talk to us about how it was proceeding in other areas, and then we were gonna talk about a pilot program. We weren't gonna vote it was inappropriate for it to come to us as a vote for a pilot program. in September. because we hadn't done any outreach. Now here's the next step. We usually present, form a task force from the city council, couple members from the city council sit on the task force and we do the outreach with the city council members and the city council members have a hand looking at the impacts and addressing those impacts and making sure that we have address that before we it comes back to the city council. for whether or not the pilot program's gonna go forward. That hasn't happened in this case. And so I have some concerns about how, what we're trying to accomplish, and I think it's pretty, you know, some of my questions made that clear, You know, if we have a mobile shower program that it doesn't look like, it's going to be very effective in getting people housing. My concern is getting people housing, permanent housing. And I completely agree with the Housing First objective. but, So as a city council member and as your elected official and a representative of the people of Sausalito, I'm going to look at that program and see is that program effective or not in its stated goal. I don't know if the mobile homeless shower program is effective in getting people into housing. It seems like it's not. And so then you go back to, okay, then it's really just about showers. valid. No one here is against showers. Like nobody is against showers. So then you think about, well, who are we trying to get showers for? And so if we really only have about six people on land, six homeless people, That's a pretty small population. If we're talking also about providing a shower for anchor outs, or people that live on the water, Okay, let's talk about that. If that's our stated goal, then let's talk about that. Is there a less impactful way to do that in Sausalito than bringing in this mobile shower? I think there probably is, but we haven't even explored it and no one's even talked about it. We have marinas up and down the water that have showers in them. We have the cruising club that has a shower. No one, and that's, why you have a task force. typically of city council members, because we would have talked about that and talked about those options. We haven't done that, so that causes me concern about how we're moving forward with this program. We haven't really addressed the potential negative impacts of the mobile shower program, specifically whether or not our homeless population would increase. And if it would increase, then how would we respond to that? And that's my other concern with the program as it's been presented. When you talk about no negative impacts, no negative fiscal impacts, or zero, there's no address of the potential for increased police force. That if there's an increase in the homeless population, there's an increase that you need from the police. If you have an increase in other costs from the unintended consequences of swelling that population. these are my concerns about the impacts. And then my next concerns are, the metrics, right? So if we're talking about, and it seems to me we're gonna approve it. It seems that we have three members who are gonna say yes. Susan Cleveland Knowles and Council Member Withee have said yes and I'm assuming the vice mayor is going to say yes as well. So, Now we're talking about, okay, How are we going to move forward and how are we going to react? Are we going to have the ability to react to negative impacts? Should they occur? And are we just stuck with, you know, fumbling through for the next six months of something that may or may not be working. So I think you have to look at all of these things, and it seems that that the mobile homeless shower program you know, it hasn't really taken into account Um, the relationship of in the population you're trying to serve, if you're talking about serving the anchor out population. And also, there's been almost no impact or no weighing in of the Richardson Bay Regional Agency on this matter with the county and the Steering Committee, the Homeless Steering Committee. I think, especially when you talk about the dangerous conditions out there, and that I want to see those people that want to move off the water, that aren't particularly successful mariners or skilled mariners, because of the dangerous, you know, of living out on the water, you can't deny that. I mean, I don't know how you can say, that people who are drowning, that people, and they, I forgot to ask the police this, but how many people drowned last year? How many people were put at risk? you know, first responders were put at risk because of what's going on, or how much property damage. I mean, that's not the highest reason why you would give them a multiplier, but that's, you have to take these things into account. That also would have been addressed during, if we had had a task force and if two city council members had been sitting on that task force and those things would have been. So I still feel like we're moving We haven't talked about all those things, that they haven't been part of the program. and still aren't part of the program. So I would like to see when, you know, if we work with the downtown streets team, I would like to have, you know, added to that to obtain a multiplier for people who are living on the water who want to move off the water. Like that would be, that's a hard thing that I think we need having there. I think we need to have, required metrics taken at by the intake of where the look where these people are living and where you know if they're from our community or if they're coming in from some other way so that we have a way to have baseline data and the metrics going forward to inform our decision making process when this comes back. |
| 02:35:54.06 | Jill Hoffman | and I think that's it yeah okay okay those are my main concerns thanks I'm happy to talk more. |
| 02:35:56.14 | Ray Withy | I think that's it. |
| 02:35:56.71 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:35:58.06 | Ray Withy | Thank you so much. |
| 02:35:58.25 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | and the |
| 02:36:01.52 | Ray Withy | Vice Mayor Burns. I think we're still talking about giving some showers to some people that need them. Um... I'm at a loss here. I did vote against extending the program last time we heard this. I didn't think it was necessary to go out for more public comment or public outreach. And here's why I thought that. We already spent the money. and we should get the product we spend our money on. That's one of the things elected officials should do. And we already knew, we already heard from the programming and a couple times that there No cons- no. impacts to mitigate. Now, I get having a strong outreach and a task force and a blue ribbon and an election. If we're mitigating negative impacts to our community, there aren't any. And one of the other things you should spect out of your elected officials is to overcome justifiable fears and unjustifiable fears. I don't, there is no fear of negative impacts. We're watching the program work. The successes are, I think, off the charts, not reduced, not small. 15 jobs have been secured. And this is a program that started in March, not a year. It's March. So 15 jobs have been secured, five people have found housing, one life was saved, The person who had the severe illnesses who wouldn't know otherwise made it to the hospital. So he saved a life. Person was reunited with his family. And we're talking about task force and all this other stuff about we don't run an election to pass out blankets in the park when it gets cold. We're giving some people showers so that they can have dignity to go out and do the successes that are reported to us. It shouldn't have taken these extra two months to come to this conclusion. And now we've come to this conclusion in the cold months, and we're going to do a six-month program, which takes them right about the time that the cold weather stops. So I am proposing that we go for a year program with this pilot because we've spent the money and we need to get into the success period of it, which is the summer months. I see no valid reason, given that there are no negative impacts to be concerned about, that we only do six months and come back in March and start analyzing what happened in the cold winter months. Again, I'm just blown away. So let's go over the goals really quickly, because I wanted to make sure that we all heard these. The goals of the program were to offer basic need and to connect individuals to the resources they need. Bed, Medi-Cal, care, mental health. So just because five people received housing in the two communities in the few months, that's not a success. But the goals of the program are very clear, and they're being met. I don't understand any reason to have discussed this further or to have not done it when we heard it the first time with all the information that was presented at that time. So I am definitely a yes. |
| 02:39:13.91 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks. I also want to thank Karen and Ashley for coming back. We are a tough crowd sometimes, and we ask tough questions, and we do still have concerns about ensuring Sausalito's anchor outs are adequately served. And so we appreciate your continuing to engage with us on this really important issue. I did vote to postpone a decision on this because we serve all of the residents of Sausalito, and it was important to me, and we promised back in February when we first talked about a pilot program that we would do community outreach. I am satisfied that we've now done that community outreach and that we're prepared to move forward. I I also want to thank the Sausalud Police Department for doing the outreach and for their data analysis I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. and I thank the vice mayor for pointing out the dual dual goals of this program so while I believe. the human dignity element is important I believe the coordinated entry component is also critical. the successes that Karen and Ashley were able to report tonight Emphasize in my mind the opportunity we have to connect with people in need and connect them to services that will assist them in addressing whatever challenges they face whether they are Thank you. health challenges, homeless challenges, whatever their challenges are, This is an opportunity for us to connect people with needed services. Thank you. I appreciate Laura's comment that we can seek additional data, and I think we should use this opportunity to do that. Every time someone takes a shower, they connect with a social worker. And I would like to see us gather the information we need to better understand our population here in Sausalito and address their needs. I appreciate the concerns raised by Councilmember Hoffman about this program, but I also appreciate Councilmember Cleveland-Knowell's observation that because this is a pilot program, we will have the opportunity to address any negative impacts that we may observe, and we can rely on the nimble nature of this program to assure that the path forward is productive and positive. for that reason. I do believe we should at least Check in and see what's going on with the program in six months And make whatever adjustments may be appropriate at that time I also endorse councilmember Cleveland Knowles recommendation that we continue to actively seek having a The issue of living on the water added as a criterion to enhance eligibility for housing on the VS-PIDAT matrix. And you can count on me. You can count on me to continue to go after that issue with both our local and regional lawmakers, including the RBRA, who's here tonight. So this is an opportunity for us to make inroads on the needs of some of the folks who are here in Sausalito, and so I support the six month pilot program. And with that, I'll entertain a motion. |
| 02:42:45.91 | Jill Hoffman | Great. Before we have a motion. Oh, sure. But can we also talk about |
| 02:42:46.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | . . |
| 02:42:50.86 | Jill Hoffman | Can we also talk about I guess maybe you did, the metrics about keeping |
| 02:42:55.74 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, so I would like to appoint two members of the City Council to work with Karen to identify some metrics that we might like to collect. And I'll do that when it comes time to make appointments. our mayor next year can change those appointments if he so chooses. |
| 02:43:17.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I'm willing to make a motion, but I did one of the issues, I think, Mayor Cox, you raised it earlier, about the hours of operation is I would be willing to add to the motion that there's some flexibility for staff, for our police department, and the mobile shower downtown streets team to adjust hours that we don't commit to that depending on usage, impact, whatever. |
| 02:43:47.96 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I. Something else before you make your motion that none of us have addressed is the majority of people who took the survey were in favor of one location and not two. |
| 02:43:50.93 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 02:43:51.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:58.27 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so you mean to reduce the number? |
| 02:43:58.29 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. So perhaps we start with Marin Ship Park and then BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A with the same flexibility to expand it to another location and expand the hours as we move forward. I would offer that the police department be able to interface with the two members of the city council who are on the ad hoc committee to ensure that kind of flexibility that's needed. |
| 02:44:22.73 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | OK, well, I was going to make a motion that included both locations. given that that's our recommendation. I didn't hear any objection to either of the particular locations. I think the most flexibility for the Downtown Streets team and staff is sort of what I'm looking for about what you all think will work best. Can I weigh on on that? |
| 02:44:44.97 | Jill Hoffman | I think if it's a pilot program and we're looking at what location it's going to be at. then I think we need the two locations. I think we need to have, I think we need data from two different locations. |
| 02:44:56.66 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | We just hadn't addressed it. I just wanted to make sure we addressed it. All right. I just want to clarify some. |
| 02:45:01.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:45:01.56 | Ray Withy | I just want to clarify. |
| 02:45:02.21 | Unknown | Thank you. Go ahead. |
| 02:45:03.92 | Jill Hoffman | No, I was just going to make the point that I'm not quite sure why you need an ad hoc committee, but whatever, whatever. I just see no reason for it whatsoever. If the City Council of Court Madeira can give their staff and city manager the authority to work through the details of this, then I'm quite happy to do the same thing. I think this is... |
| 02:45:03.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:45:12.02 | Michael Davis | That was going to be fun. |
| 02:45:30.38 | Jill Hoffman | You're trying to micromanage something you don't know much about, to be honest. |
| 02:45:36.42 | Ray Withy | And on the ad hoc, I'm OK. I'm not in agreement, but I'm OK with, if you want to appoint two people to talk to the group about criteria and questions we ask for some other purposes. Again, they're the professionals. But I didn't see that as being the ad hoc committee you're talking about that can adjust hours That's with city staff. I think city staff. Yeah, that's all city staff. |
| 02:45:55.42 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | That's with city staff. I think city staff. Yeah, that's all city staff. Yeah. I'm just talking solely for the metrics. |
| 02:46:02.74 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so I'm gonna make a motion. Can I ask one more question? And this may be a mechanical thing, |
| 02:46:03.11 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. |
| 02:46:09.76 | Jill Hoffman | How? Let's say... You know, if everything goes great, then great. But how are we going to react if there are significant negative impacts on either location? |
| 02:46:21.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | a an agenda setting committee. So anytime anyone, just as we have a process in place now, anytime someone observes an issue, they bring it to staff's attention, it's added to a potential future agenda item, and it comes promptly back to the City Council. Okay, thanks. |
| 02:46:41.47 | Ray Withy | And the police department can shut it down at any time if it has a health and safety. to our community. |
| 02:46:47.87 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so I'm going to make a motion that staff work with the downtown streets team to enter into an agreement with Marin Mobile Care to develop and operate a six month mobile shower pilot program at Marin ship Park and the Sausalito City Hall parking lot. And to Condition and to direct staff to Consider the appropriate times generally in the morning, I think, was the preferred time. And alternatively, to add an evening option if warranted. Thank you. and to continue to conduct outreach to neighboring businesses, faith-based organizations, and potential customers to maximize the number of participants while minimizing any negative impacts on their surrounding neighbors. And we'll hear it again in March. |
| 02:47:33.31 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So directing staff to return to us. |
| 02:47:35.12 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:47:35.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | in my life. |
| 02:47:35.17 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | In March. a second. Thank you. |
| 02:47:40.40 | Jill Hoffman | Anybody? |
| 02:47:40.69 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm gonna take in a second my motion. |
| 02:47:44.82 | Jill Hoffman | I'll second the motion. I think let's see how it goes. Let's see how it goes. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe my concerns are wrong and it's gonna be fine. |
| 02:47:53.93 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:47:53.95 | Serge | So, |
| 02:47:54.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | will you call the roll? |
| 02:47:58.56 | Serge | Councilmember Withey. Yes. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles. Yes. Councilmember Hoffman. Yes. Vice Mayor Burns. Yes. Mayor Cox. |
| 02:48:01.95 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes. Yes. |
| 02:48:07.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes, that motion carries 5-0. |
| 02:48:16.46 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, thanks everybody. We're gonna move smartly on to item 6B on our agenda, which is our waterfront management plan update. We have a special visitor, from the Richardson Bay Regional Agency. And so I'll invite Chief Rohrabacher up to the podium. Yeah, I will acknowledge that we have Marty Winter, the RBRA chair, as well as Beth Pollard, the RBRA executive director here with us this evening, and we do look forward to hearing from them as well. |
| 02:48:52.08 | John Rohrabacher | Good evening again. John Moorbacker, your Chief of Police. So as Mayor Cox said, I just want to welcome, first of all, Marty Winter. He's Councilmember of City of Belvedere and also the Chair of the Richardson Bay Regional Agency. I actually don't know if Councilmember Winter plans to speak or not, but he's here and recognizing that. The first speaker is Beth Pollard. She's the executive director for the Richardson Bay Regional Agency. And then when she's done, then Lieutenant Frost is going to speak again. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:49:23.14 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Great, thank you. |
| 02:49:27.07 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Beth, welcome. Thank you very much. You now see we're a tough crowd, so. |
| 02:49:28.20 | Beth Pollard | Thank you very much. |
| 02:49:31.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I've been here before. |
| 02:49:31.42 | Beth Pollard | I've been here before. I made my first rodeo. Okay, except I do need a rodeo check here. |
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| 02:49:38.88 | Beth Pollard | Thank you. |
| 02:49:44.94 | Marty Winter | I'll just join Beth because I don't know how to work this like I do. |
| 02:49:47.81 | Unknown | like I know. Thank you. |
| 02:49:48.67 | Marty Winter | Gizmo. Thank you. |
| 02:49:55.87 | Ray Withy | It says we're an hour past, and we're two and a half hours. |
| 02:49:59.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I will definitely. I will definitely have this one. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:50:04.04 | Beth Pollard | Good evening, Mayor Cox and members of the council. We're here this evening to update you on the recent activities of the Richardson Bay Regional Agency. Chair Marty Winter, the city council member from Belvedere, is our current chair. And we have four members from the cities of Mill Valley, Tiburon, and the county of Marin. |
| 02:50:04.66 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Coxon members |
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| 02:50:25.50 | Beth Pollard | This evening we want to just tell you about what, recap what we presented last time when we were here in May. I'll just remind you what we went through then was to go over how we, The staff worked with the board of directors to develop their direction that they established in the month of April. They first laid out a work plan and some guiding principles, developed some options, and ultimately led to some board initial direction about where they wanted the Anchorage to go in the near future. And they also adopted a goal, which I really want us to keep coming back to, which is the goal for the agency is to have a safe, healthy, and well-managed Richardson Bay. The direction that the board established in April was really threefold, as you can see. Number one was having secure moorings. And the board felt that this would be a way to improve the safety of vessels that otherwise could break loose. It would also help to protect the eelgrass and strengthen the ability to manage and monitor the anchorage, again, going back to the goals that they had established. There also was a lot of discussion in the public, as well as at the board, on making sure that the vessels are seaworthy, and that we really work to minimize debris and discharge, thereby protecting the environment. And again, speaking to the management of the bay, enhancing our ability to register and manage the vessels that way. We want to go over with you this evening what is currently happening since the board's initial direction in April. And I'll go over each of these different areas that you see up on the screen. I want to start out first with stakeholder engagement because the board has really given me direction that this is a fundamental foundation for the board's activities to be open and available and accessible to where the agency can partner with those that have common areas of purpose and strategic direction. I want to put City of Sausalito first on the list here. We are in discussion, ongoing basis with the City of Sausalito. Mayor Cox and the police department are regular attendees at the R RBRA board meetings and offer us advice and comments on the direction the board is taking. To also comment on the Richardson Bay Special Anchorage Association, they have been a key partner with the RBRA in working with folks who are out on the water. They come to us at a standing item at our meeting about their outreach efforts to improve marine health and safety through education, through training and certification, their BRGIE system, inspections, and all sorts of communication that the board does with the Anchorage community on a fairly regular basis. Audubon is very active with the board and the agency, looking at ways that we can partner on protecting the eelgrass for purposes of enhancing the wildlife and addressing the concerns there. And others that come to our attention, certainly the board has looked at ways that they can be open to other partnerships. really the front and center right now of what's going on with the agency is following up on this board's direction on pursuing secure moorings. The question came up, well, what does that look like? And the fundamental issue for the board in looking at the moorings from the get go is the marine ecology issues. And I want to read what the context of the mooring and feasibility And planning study is that we're in the midst of pursuing right now. In light of the presence of eelgrass and other aquatic life and migratory birds, Physical conditions of the bay, including but not limited to water depth, water quality, health of the bay, and all wind, weather, and tidal conditions, the RBRA is seeking to engage professional services in these four categories. It's locations, equipment, capacity, and shore access. And so just to go through a little bit, because this is really important to what the work that the board is doing right now, is what are the advisable and inadvisable locations to have moorings and anchors in Richardson Bay? What is the latest and greatest technique, equipment, ground tackle, et cetera, best suited for the Richardson Bay conditions? And given that information, what's the overall capacity? What is the recommendation? So how many vessels could be accommodated given the location and ground tackle or other type of parameters? And then lastly, what kind of marine ecology conditions and considerations should be factored into accessing the shore? A question that we have for you this evening is when we've in fashion with the request for proposals. And I was starting to look at, well, what areas are not as part of the study. And I listed the, of course, the Audubon Sanctuary is not going to be a place for moorings. And the Army Corps of Engineers channels is not a place for moorings. |
| 02:55:43.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:43.55 | Unknown | AREAS ARE NOT |
| 02:55:56.61 | Beth Pollard | Well, what about Sausalito Waters? Is that Is that studied or not studied? And the board has indicated if you all want your area to be studied, we're happy to have that included. But we just need to know what to tell the consultants that are interested in doing this. So I'm hoping to get some feedback on that this evening. Moving on to marine health and safety, the last board meeting, which was just last Thursday, the board adopted a policy resolution establishing its priorities what to pursue in terms of marine health and safety efforts that are primarily done through education and enforcement. And as you can see, they include unoccupied marine debris |
| 02:56:38.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:56:44.42 | Beth Pollard | unused morgues and floats, unregistered vessels, these are all ones that were given as part of a motion the board made in December 16 when Sausalito was part of the agency. What was added this past Thursday night was unattended and unoccupied vessels into the priority direction. And the third item is updating the RBRA ordinances. The focus that is undertaken in this round that we're going to be pretendably bringing to the board in December, we're awaiting some other agency's review of it, is updating our definitions to make sure that we capture the latest and greatest language, including the vessel. Mayor Cox gave us some good guidance on the vessel definition, and so we've incorporated those suggestions into the draft language going forward. Also to put into the ordinance itself what the local agency considers to be seaworthy and operable conditions so that folks have an idea of what we're looking for rather than just one term. We We try to flush it out a little bit of what that means. And also, we need to have administrative matter of the city's departure. And lastly, of the current initiative, is a grant application that we have submitted to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration for Marine Debris Removal Grant. It's a matching fund program. We're looking at a project that would incorporate both prevention outreach efforts as well as the removal and abatement of marine debris vessels. The grant would fund the removal costs, not the prevention costs. We would do that on our own initiative and working with partners. A primary consideration here is commercial vessels that aren't eligible for the state boating and waterways reimbursement. So that would be a prime candidate for this kind of matching fund. And that's our information, how to get a hold of us. |
| 02:58:49.00 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Great, thank you. |
| 02:58:50.00 | Beth Pollard | Any questions? |
| 02:58:50.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Any questions? Yeah, any questions of Marty and Beth? Go ahead. I think. |
| 02:58:56.50 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:58:56.61 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | you |
| 02:58:56.82 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry I do hi Beth Joe burns up we haven't met I'm already and we haven't been I haven't been on any RB RA committees or been to the meeting so I'm sorry about that and I'm sorry if this question is really so sorry about not having some of this information your mooring field is that for occupied |
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| 02:59:08.23 | Marty Winter | Thank you. |
| 02:59:08.33 | Unknown | each one. |
| 02:59:09.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:09.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:09.17 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:59:21.71 | Ray Withy | living boats only and not debris or storage boats. |
| 02:59:25.35 | Marty Winter | there would not be debris or storage boats. It would be for functional boats, occupied or on |
| 02:59:34.53 | Ray Withy | Okay, so it could be on storage. |
| 02:59:36.05 | Marty Winter | Not marine debris. |
| 02:59:38.14 | Ray Withy | OK. |
| 02:59:40.19 | Marty Winter | Our policy would be to eliminate the re-egring. |
| 02:59:42.82 | Ray Withy | Okay, so those aren't contrasting each other. You would eliminate marine debris before the mooring field? |
| 02:59:46.40 | Marty Winter | That's correct. We're congruent with your policy and BCDC. |
| 02:59:50.36 | Ray Withy | Okay. Yeah, OK. And I guess we'll have to talk with, I didn't know we had a morning field policy, but, |
| 02:59:56.69 | Marty Winter | And then you have a waterfront management policy. |
| 02:59:59.24 | Ray Withy | Yeah, yes, definitely, for sure, yeah. And we want to get rid of the... I was just kind of curious on how you saw the work of putting a mooring field with boats that are livable while we have debris boats all around them. |
| 03:00:10.53 | Marty Winter | Yeah, there are many of our environments. The boats have to have sewage storage tanks. They have to be California registered. They have to function. They have to basically be functioning vessels. |
| 03:00:28.43 | Ray Withy | Okay. And to create that area, you'd have to remove the debris boats first to get the mooring field in there. Correct. Thank you. |
| 03:00:32.38 | Marty Winter | Thank you. |
| 03:00:32.43 | Beth Pollard | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:00:32.50 | Marty Winter | Thank you. |
| 03:00:33.36 | Beth Pollard | And I would just comment that we're not calling it a mooring field. We're calling it moorings. |
| 03:00:40.26 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And so my understanding is, was that the purpose of the moorings was an enforcement purpose. And so I'm curious about the unoccupied boats being moored. |
| 03:00:52.99 | Marty Winter | Well, there has to be a place where unoccupied boats can be stored as well as occupied boats. |
| 03:01:02.62 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | But on the open waters, you think unoccupied boats should be stored on open water? |
| 03:01:07.13 | Marty Winter | They can be, that's correct. For instance, the visiting mariner can visit and tie up at a mooring. |
| 03:01:17.39 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, but that's an occupied boat. He may tie up while he comes in for dinner, but he's occupying that boat. No? Okay. |
| 03:01:23.39 | Beth Pollard | No? And there's still a lot of decisions to be made in the future. All right. |
| 03:01:29.52 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, but my understanding was that the approach Thank you. RBRA was undertaking. was to consider a mooring field as an enforcement AND I THINK THAT'S A mechanism. |
| 03:01:44.35 | Marty Winter | That's correct. |
| 03:01:44.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | That's correct. For reducing the. We're going to be reducing the number of boats that are on the water. |
| 03:01:46.33 | Marty Winter | We're gonna be reducing the number of boats thrown out. |
| 03:01:53.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Other questions? Mm-hmm. |
| 03:01:58.29 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, thanks, and thanks very much for coming. When you say you're asking whether Sausalito wants, you want to include Sausalito waters in the study, Now, are you asking that Um, to say, do you want to study whether part of a mooring should be in social leader waters? Or are you Or perhaps what I'm thinking and perhaps of more concern is What are the impacts to Saucelidos waters and Saucelidos waterfront to the existence of moorings that you're putting in place? And so my question is directed to what is the environmental and sequel analysis that intends to be done to show what the overall environmental impact to you and your neighbors are going to be for putting moorings onto Richardson Bay. |
| 03:03:06.95 | Marty Winter | Well, that's part of the analysis that our consultant will be performing. We want to consider what the number of vessels that can be moored on the water can actually be. |
| 03:03:23.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I read the RFP, I didn't see anything in there about a CEQA analysis. |
| 03:03:27.41 | Marty Winter | No, we don't include a SQL analysis. |
| 03:03:31.09 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I guess, don't let me put words in your mouth, but I guess Council Member Withee is asking, if this is not an environmental and secret analysis, are you planning at some point prior. |
| 03:03:44.10 | Marty Winter | I don't believe that a CEQA analysis is required by BCDC. |
| 03:03:49.23 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And the reason you believe it's not required by BCDC is because you're characterizing this as an enforcement mechanism and not a permanent |
| 03:03:55.24 | Marty Winter | Correct. Absolutely. |
| 03:03:58.96 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | not permanent moorings. |
| 03:04:06.22 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:04:06.25 | Jill Hoffman | if you're... |
| 03:04:06.78 | Beth Pollard | May I also add to that, this is really an initial step to find out a fact-finding study about baseline information. And then what the board does with that, obviously, we'll comply with whatever we need to comply with. But this is really to provide the initial information about which other decisions will be made. |
| 03:04:29.88 | Jill Hoffman | Is part of the study also, since you're characterizing the moorings, as I just wanna make sure I'm using it right. The Maureen, as an enforcement tool, are you also asking the consultant to globally look at the cost and mechanism for actual enforcement. Before, during, or after the field. |
| 03:04:56.54 | Beth Pollard | This is a marine ecology based study. And from that, then the board can then take that information and decide what management decisions need to be made thereafter, depending on what direction they go with this information. |
| 03:05:08.88 | Jill Hoffman | And are you directing them to look at areas in a specific geographic location on Richardson Bay? Yes. And what is that specific geographic location? |
| 03:05:16.61 | Marty Winter | Yes. geographic location |
| 03:05:25.87 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, and those in the channel being the channel that's right off the coast of Sausalito, or just outside of Sausalito waters. So you're not going to have them look at the potential for moorings in Belvedere waters? No. And not in Tiburon waters? No. |
| 03:05:36.97 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:05:41.12 | Beth Pollard | They're not specifically excluded from the study, I must say. Thank you. at this point. |
| 03:05:46.96 | Marty Winter | Thank you. |
| 03:05:47.03 | Beth Pollard | sanctuary. Nothing in the sanctuary, but other areas of which they are |
| 03:05:48.30 | Jill Hoffman | Well, right. |
| 03:05:51.99 | Beth Pollard | Thank you. |
| 03:05:52.01 | Jill Hoffman | Right, there are other areas in Richardson Bay that are off Belvedere water, Belvedere shore and Tiburon shores, and you're specifically not looking at those areas. |
| 03:06:00.50 | Marty Winter | There are two areas that are specifically indicated in the Coast Guard study that are demarcated in their mouth. |
| 03:06:08.12 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. Okay, thanks. When you talk about one of the four things, mooring feasibility study will examine is shore access. In what areas are you examining shore access? |
| 03:06:22.55 | Beth Pollard | It's an open question and it's really about the marine ecology issues that should be taken into consideration. |
| 03:06:29.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So will they be examining potential shore access in Belvedere? |
| 03:06:33.61 | Beth Pollard | They would be advising about whether there's any conditions there, marine ecology conditions that would affect how shore access could be. It's not looking at it from the shore perspective, it's looking at it from the water perspective. |
| 03:06:44.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Right, so they'll look at Tiburon, |
| 03:06:47.24 | Beth Pollard | They're not, it's not excluded, so. |
| 03:06:48.90 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. Other questions? Okay, thank you all so much for coming. If you wanna stick around after public comment, we will address the question that you've raised or Thank you. We're going to be meeting with you on Friday. Um, give you our feedback. |
| 03:07:08.47 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Actually, I do have one question. I'm sorry. I do have one. Sorry, she does have a question. Sorry. I do have one question. Hi. So if Sausalito did want to participate in the study, meaning have the study look at the environmental impacts of moorings in Sausalito waters is what I understand the question to be. |
| 03:07:09.89 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm sorry, I do have one. Sorry, she does have a question. |
| 03:07:26.24 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Not the impacts to Sausalito of moorings outside of Sausalito waters. It would be. |
| 03:07:30.98 | Beth Pollard | So if you're looking at the Sausalito waters from a marine ecology standpoint, like eelgrass, are there eelgrass considerations that would affect where moorings could or should not? In Sausalito. |
| 03:07:42.10 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | In Sausalito waters. |
| 03:07:42.79 | Marty Winter | waters okay |
| 03:07:46.24 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so and then would there be a financial cost included in that? |
| 03:07:50.51 | Marty Winter | Thank you. |
| 03:07:50.57 | Michael Davis | No. |
| 03:07:50.79 | Marty Winter | Thank you. |
| 03:07:50.81 | Michael Davis | Thank you. |
| 03:07:51.91 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. All right. Thank you. |
| 03:08:06.49 | Unknown | public. Thank you. |
| 03:08:07.33 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | No, this is, he's still doing his presentation. That was part one of the presentation. |
| 03:08:14.11 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | a lot of multi-part presentations. |
| 03:08:15.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:08:16.17 | Jan Johnson | No. |
| 03:08:18.57 | Unknown | Thank you so much. |
| 03:08:19.06 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:08:19.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:08:19.55 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:08:19.57 | Unknown | Amen. Thank you. |
| 03:08:22.23 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I shall go through the roll, the roll. Thank you. |
| 03:08:27.75 | Unknown | Thank you. and I'll take a break. Amen. Thank you. I need a cookie. |
| 03:08:33.22 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:08:33.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:08:33.42 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:08:33.44 | Unknown | you |
| 03:08:34.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:08:34.99 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm starving. |
| 03:08:36.07 | Bill Frost | Thank you. |
| 03:08:36.08 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:08:38.97 | Beth Pollard | Thank you. |
| 03:08:39.16 | Unknown | We're having a little |
| 03:08:39.80 | Bill Frost | We're having a little audio-visual difficulty, so hold on for one second. |
| 03:09:04.03 | Bill Frost | Good evening, Madam Mayor, Mr. Vice Mayor, council members, city staff, members of the public. Once again, I'm Lieutenant Bill Frost, Sausalito Police Department, and I will be updating you on the city of Sausalito's waterfront management plan. |
| 03:09:05.53 | Unknown | Mayor. |
| 03:09:17.78 | Bill Frost | Just a little background back on June 20th of last year, the City Council passed the waterfront management plan. It authorized the city of Sausalito to hire part-time staff to work in conjunction with our full-time staff from the Saucerito Police Department to more effectively manage the Sausalito waterways. While we will be doing this, We're also called for continued cooperation with the Richardson Bay Regional Agency and the Marin County Sheriff's Office. in order to make effectively manage our waterways. The highest priorities for this waterfront management plan were the removal of marine debris vessels. the removal of unoccupied vessels that were being stored on Sausalito waterways or being used as storage on Sausalito waterways, dealing with unregistered or undocumented vessels and also vessels that were occupied by people that were a danger to themselves or others. the lowest priorities for the waterfront management plan were occupied vessels that were licensed and registered and in possession of a waste disposal contract or that were utilizing a similar form of service. Since our last meeting, we have conducted another survey. That means we have had 15 surveys since July 2017. We try to do a monthly sometimes a little bit more. Uh, then monthly. And this is to allow us to know what's on our waterways, what conditions they are, kind of who is where they have moved, where they have gone, and if there have been any changes to the vessels We also base our enforcement actions off of these surveys. If you see during our last survey that was conducted on October 26, we had 61 vessels in our waters that was down from 69 vessels the month prior. out of those 61 vessels. 29 of them appear to be occupied 28 of them were unoccupied, and four of those vessels we were unable to determine the occupancy. When we went back and reviewed these vessels that we saw in our occupations, in our last survey, we discovered that 33 of these vessels were in every single survey we had conducted. Seven of these vessels were between 10 and 14 of the surveys. Eight of the vessels were in five to nine surveys, and six of the vessels have been two to force. these surveys. The majority of the vessels that have been in our waters have been in our waters for a long period of time. There were seven vessels that were new to Sausalito waters during this last survey. |
| 03:11:57.89 | Bill Frost | In addition to any enforcement activities we're doing, we're continuing with our efforts in order to upkeep Richardson Bay as possible. One of them is this upcoming Friday on the 18th, there is going to be sorry, on the 16th typo. There is going to be a trash collection event between Saucyote Police Department, Richardson Bay Regional Agency, and the Marin County Sheriff's Office. We have distributed garbage bags free of cost to individuals that are living upon the waterway or have vessels upon the waterway. they're going to be able to fill those bags and then be able to either turn them into the Richardson Bay Regional Agency workboat that will bring them to a landing craft to have a debris box upon them for disposal, or they'll be able to go to that landing craft to dispose of those themselves. The landing craft will be in three locations throughout the day. It's gonna start on the southern end and work its way to the northern end, staying at each location for approximately an hour if not longer. The goals are this threefold for this program. Number one, it's to allow individuals to remove trash or debris from their vessels before the winter storms come or before the heavy winds come so we don't have items that blow into the water, go in trash to go into the water, cause environmental or health hazards in the water. Also, it allows individuals to remove these items so they are in compliance with not only Sausalito municipal codes regarding debris or trash on deck but also Richardson Bay regional agency codes that govern the same items last but not least Marin County Health and Human Services will be on board at least two of the vessels and they'll be making contact with individuals seeing if they want services having them fill out forms take the survey I can't pronounce that survey that the Health and Human Services use for to urban housing, too many letters, too complicated for me. but they do have it and we're gonna be contacting people as much as possible to offer these services. Since our last meeting, we had public outreach. On October 18th, for one hour, the Sausalito Police Department held a waterfront community meeting at the Sausalito fire station. There in that meeting, we discussed the trash collection event, as well as the city's plan to start noticing vessels for being in Sausalito waters for over 72. hours and we'll speak a little bit more on that shortly. We also provided information regarding the homeless anchor out outreach event that was held today. Regarding our enforcement actions, since our last meeting, we abated one vessel that was marine debris. It had become derelict. Wood was rotten and it had pigeon infestation to the point where because of the garbage and the pigeon debris the individuals were unable to go below because of health hazards. In addition, regarding marine debris, we're currently monitoring two vessels that are marked as marine debris. And we have just removed one vessel from the water and it's set to be abated as early as tomorrow. One of the vessels that we are going to look at abating was a vessel that was originally marked as 72 hours. It had been on the waterway far in excess when our, Totally. boat came to remove that vessel They looked at it and said, we will not tow this vessel because it will fall apart on us as soon as we tow it. Immediately, we marked it as marine debris. That was on November 5th it was marked as Marine Debris. Last Friday, that vessel sunk. So we're in the process now of working at removing it faster as marine debris. We have it boomed off, it's not causing any environmental hazardous issues upon the water right now. but we're working with contractors to get it removed. That's a part of those boats that Thank you. go quickly from abandon to derelict very fast, and how quickly one vessel that's floating one day is a hazard the next day. Regarding our enforcement is also vessel turn-in program as part of our grant. We accepted one vessel This vessel was actually brought in from Santa Rosa by an individual who had just bought it and was gonna put it within Sausalito waterways. and either store it and try to sell it or store it or use it as his, kind of base camp. As soon as it went into the waterway, it immediately sunk. and they had to tie up. at our attorney street boat ramp. We made contact with the individual. We informed him that it was marine debris. And when he was explained that The boat was gonna be abated in 10 days He decided to turn it over to us because it was incapable of being repaired. So instead of this boat sinking in our channel in the middle of the night sometime, leaking, and you can see it was beginning to leak oil, we are able to get rid of it beforehand. And that's one of the good things about accepting these vessel turn-ins is we're able to remove these boats before they get into our waterways. So. On October 29th, The police department posted informational notices on all the vessels that were in Sausalito waters informing them of the 72-hour ordinance. after we did that. on November 2nd we noticed six vessels for being in violation of the Sausalito's ordinance regarding being moored in Sausalito or anchored in Sausalito waters for more than 72 hours. Out of those six vessels, three. were impaled. These vessels have since been released to their owners, and they're now in marinas outside. of the city of Sausalito. Of those other three vessels, one has left our waterways, One, it was determined that an individual was living on it. And the other one was the vessel I talked about that was declared marine debris and is recently sunk. just a few photographs of these vessels. |
| 03:18:11.27 | Bill Frost | In addition to our activity, we're continuing to have professional meetings We meet regularly with the United States Coast Guards abandoned derelict vessel working groups The Sausalito Waterfront Working Group meets routinely and the Sausalito staff, attend the monthly Richardson Bay Regional Agency meetings. Fiscal, we have closed out our 2016 to 2018 grant. We're waiting on our final reimbursement regarding that. Out of the $129,000 we awarded for that two year period, we spent approximately $89,000 of that. That's also because we were working in collaboration Richardson Bay Regional Agency for a large part of that when we were dealing with mooring balls and they were dealing with vessels. The mooring balls are much cheaper than vessels. As we're waiting to officially close that out, we're going to start seeing that we were approved for another grant. that the council so graciously accepted, and we appreciate that very much. for another $129,000. And as of October 10th, that has been officially accepted by the state of California. It allows us to start drawing down from that. As of that date, we've spent approximately $7,500 of that. We're going to see that these grant funds will be spent a little bit more routinely because we're going to be dealing with vessels now from the beginning. And with that, I welcome any questions the council may have. |
| 03:19:36.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Questions of Lieutenant Frost? I have a question. |
| 03:19:42.09 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. And I don't know if this is for the lieutenant or the city manager, but one of your first slides showed the kind of objectives of this program. But there have been quite a few press reports recently that seem to include some quotes from city staff or others that don't really comport with those. Do you think some folks were misquoted or what happened? It does seem to have elevated um, the kind of conversation and it seems like we're continuing at least we get your reports quarterly and it doesn't seem like we've made any big changes that we're moving forward with the program that was adopted. um, a couple of years ago. So I was just wondering if you could speak to that. |
| 03:20:34.25 | Bill Frost | The newspaper article you were speaking of was misquotes. We did not state that. Don't know how the reporter came up with those words, We did not make those statements. |
| 03:20:47.57 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And I will tell you, I was misquoted today. So Lieutenant Frost watched me being interviewed, and the reporter then did not use my face speaking. He used his words and completely misquoted me. So that's always a challenge. of working with the media. issue a press release last Friday. that was very factually accurate to make sure that all of the local media are fully apprised of what our program is and what its goals are. |
| 03:21:20.83 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:21:20.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:21:21.23 | Bill Frost | One little further follow-up regarding that. We have kept a consistent message. During the last week, I have noticed while talking to the press, they have a hard time distributing |
| 03:21:21.42 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | One little thing. |
| 03:21:30.65 | Bill Frost | difference between the 72-hour tows and marine debris. And a lot of times they've confused those two matters, and that is where some of the misquotes I think might have come from. |
| 03:21:39.46 | Peter Glazer | and the numbers vary along too. The HCPSA have reported 250 vessels in Sausalito water. |
| 03:21:42.85 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right. |
| 03:21:49.08 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, we're going to open it up to public comment shortly and we can hear from the public at that time. So... Thank you. Um, |
| 03:21:57.41 | Jill Hoffman | Sorry, I forgot to put my mic on. Could you start going? There's a slide I want to, but I don't know which one. So keep going backwards. Keep going. Keep going. That one. Okay, so I want to understand this slide again. You said that You were, you tagged six boats. Yes. |
| 03:22:21.54 | David Souto | Yes. |
| 03:22:21.91 | Jill Hoffman | And then these three, disappeared from Sausalito waters and ended up in a marina? |
| 03:22:32.23 | Bill Frost | No, these three were impounded by our officers. And then after the owners were notified that their vessels were impounded, they went to that marina, got their vessel released, and now they have decided to pay to store their vessels in a marina. |
| 03:22:39.43 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 03:22:47.60 | Jill Hoffman | So before your action, they were essentially just storing the vessels for free on Richardson Bay waters. And after your actions, they decided maybe they would go and pay for slips instead. |
| 03:23:03.00 | Bill Frost | Correct. |
| 03:23:04.64 | Jill Hoffman | Wow. |
| 03:23:08.69 | Ray Withy | I'm just curious, Bill, Lieutenant Frost. October 18th, the meeting on the waterfront. How many from the waterfront community attended that? |
| 03:23:15.97 | Bill Frost | We had approximately 25 to 30 individuals. It was one of our more heavily attended meetings in the last two years. |
| 03:23:22.70 | Ray Withy | Excellent. Thank you. |
| 03:23:23.73 | Bill Frost | And, |
| 03:23:23.95 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | How many attended your event today? |
| 03:23:26.41 | Bill Frost | I was not there. I was doing promotional interviews at another location. Chief Rohrabacher or Lieutenant Gregory may be able to give us that number later. |
| 03:23:35.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And I know the city manager was there briefly. Is any, any idea? |
| 03:23:40.35 | Adam Politzer | My understanding through the three hours is roughly about 30 people. |
| 03:23:44.21 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And I do want to shout out to Sean Saylor for feeding those folks again this year. |
| 03:23:52.50 | Jill Hoffman | I have a... Of the six boats you tagged, I know that because of the surveys that you've done on the Sausalito waters, do you have a sense of how long those boats had been at that location, like had not moved |
| 03:24:08.60 | Bill Frost | For these three boats we actually impounded, they were at the same exact location in every single survey. So, no. |
| 03:24:15.38 | Jill Hoffman | How many years does that mean? |
| 03:24:16.68 | Bill Frost | Well, since we've been in our surveys for a little bit over almost a year and a half. |
| 03:24:23.04 | Jill Hoffman | So for a year and a half, those three boats had not moved. |
| 03:24:24.61 | Bill Frost | moved. That is correct. |
| 03:24:26.33 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. six pots. |
| 03:24:30.94 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, if there are no more questions, I'm going to open it up to public comment. And the first person I'm calling is Michael Davis. |
| 03:24:44.09 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you for your patience, Mr. Davis. |
| 03:24:47.90 | Michael Davis | I'm Michael Davis. Mayor, council, I'll be brief as possible. Thank you. My vessel was tagged with a 72-hour notice. It's a 1914 Leicester Stone built and designed 50-foot sloop, which is with a significant history of the bay. I was tagged with that 72-hour notice. I submitted a hand-carried notice to the chief of police that the boat was occupied as my home. from the county of Marin. And it's a... Homeowners property exempt, tax exempt. It has my wife's social security number on it. It states that it's anchored off of Sausalito, and it identifies the best by its CF numbers. I also have a supporting document from the senator of California State Senate, which supports the Anchor Out community. |
| 03:25:56.80 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:26:05.07 | Michael Davis | Now, after the boat was tagged 72 hours, I had it hand carried to the chief of police's office, that very same document, a copy of. And the following day, it just so happens that it just happened to sink. Um, |
| 03:26:23.90 | Michael Davis | Now, the devastating. During this time, I was down south. My wife has state for of bovarian liver cancer. She has to see specialists in Southern California right now. I was away when you passed your ordinance. Bye. I was unaware of it, otherwise I would've been. But family is, you know, I got taken from my wife. So she had cancer. We had to see the doctors all the time in hospitals and chemo's and all that right now. So I was away. But that didn't mean my boat was unoccupied. Um, Now it's scheduled to go out on the hard, Which, if, It's my vessel above the ground, I mean above the water or below the water, still my vessel. And if somebody's going to hire somebody to pick it up, which I didn't hire. And you're going to be liable for paying for it. Now the second issue is, |
| 03:27:18.22 | Unknown | I want you. |
| 03:27:20.21 | Michael Davis | If it's taken off its mooring, Take it to the core. and ripped apart. then somebody's going to be liable for the replacement cost, which is about $3.5 million. as well. And the final issue is, as far as the mooring goes, myself and Big Bill from Gellerly Harbor worked with Michael Rex, the city draftsman at the time, on the first Anchorage layout. We were his consultants. And I'm kind. Thank you. Your time is up, can you wrap up your comments? That very document on file in the blue room, |
| 03:27:51.26 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Your time is up. I hope you're comments. |
| 03:27:55.97 | Michael Davis | Thank you. Um, The judge put it there himself. So if it need be, I can pull that out. And I had Michael put my spot on that anchorage circled in red. Thank you. Um, That's all I can think. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. One more thing. If that boat goes on the hard, |
| 03:28:09.30 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | COMMENTS. |
| 03:28:12.73 | Michael Davis | Uh, I really hope to make those repairs on the boat. I worked on boats almost all my life. I would really like to make those repairs to put that historic vessel back on the way. |
| 03:28:22.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So are you asking that if the police department have a dive team retrieve that boat that you are then um, You are asking to be able to retrieve the pieces of the boat from the |
| 03:28:32.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:28:32.86 | Unknown | You are |
| 03:28:38.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | from wherever it's brought ashore. |
| 03:28:42.95 | Michael Davis | I was so hard of hearing. I was in a tank division. |
| 03:28:45.13 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, are you asking to retrieve the pieces of your boat once they are removed from the water? |
| 03:28:53.31 | Michael Davis | I'm sorry, I'm so hard to hear. |
| 03:28:56.25 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, typically when we remove boats from the water, |
| 03:28:59.91 | Unknown | She's asking if you want to take pieces from the boat, but you're saying you want to restore the boat. I know. Yes. He wants to save the vessel. |
| 03:29:08.30 | Michael Davis | Yeah. If it goes on the hard, I can make those repairs. And I know there's a maritime law that says in emergencies, in the city ordinance of Sausalito in the states, in an emergency, you can't put your boat on the grid if you have to, to save it. As long as you, if you put a note on it that says it's not abandoned. |
| 03:29:27.59 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so I'm going to ask our police chief to work with our city staff to evaluate whether your boat is marine debris or whether it is capable of being salvaged and whether you can retrieve it once it is brought ashore. |
| 03:29:41.56 | Michael Davis | Thank you very much for being here. |
| 03:29:42.28 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, you're welcome. |
| 03:29:46.99 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Who else, okay, next card is Alden Bevington. |
| 03:29:57.03 | Alden Bevington | Hi, everyone. Alden Bevington. I wanted to talk about something I haven't really been able to talk about because it was very challenging for me. Some of you all maybe are aware of the fact that my vessel was seized by your police department. I am very happy to share with you the details of that experience, but I saw some incredible shortcomings in your process, and I don't believe that y'all should believe the hype that you have got a law enforcement agency that is operating within bounds and good faith that you all would think is dignified of this city. Though it was known to be my vessel, and though I had it scheduled for a haul out, and it's 101 years old, or it's let's say it was, I it's hard to condense into two minutes. I was not able to move my vessel because I fractured three ribs. I did everything to communicate with the police. I met with Adam Pulitzer when they indicated after they had seized it and I went to ask them to please don't drag it onto the heart and destroy it. Please let me get my things. I was threatened with arrest and escorted off of the Army Corps by you all. This is by the way after three to four years of acting in good faith as the primary representative with everyone. I gave a list to Adam Pulitzer of my private belongings and said that if any piece of bronze went off, I would sue under Harbors and Navigation 550 because nobody's allowed to strip a salvage boat. And I want you to think about what's really going on in the hearts and the mechanisms. Because my boat was crushed with all of my personal belongings inside of it. Mayor Cox, after I made this statement at the RBRA, and you told me that the police had actually told you that my personal belongings were there, it was kind of like, your wife's dead, no, she's not dead. Oh, yes, she is dead. I got up the gumption to contact them so I could actually go back because I'd already gone and seen there was nothing there. Had absolutely devastating emotional experience. I'd go back and they'd say, oh, yeah, here's the list. Nothing. They lied to you, and I have a document where Lieutenant Frass sent to the city council members all, like of every member of the RBRA, I found 19, 17 factual inaccuracies. I think you've got the wrong guy running this program, and I really want you all to just sit and think, all of my personal belongings were crushed in my 101-year-old boat and put into a dumpster. After everything I have done, What's wrong? |
| 03:33:06.45 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Nick Leal. And then Susan Fox. |
| 03:33:16.63 | Vicki Nichols | Good evening, Madam Mayor and the City Council. My name is Nick Leal, and I'm here representing the Sausalito Maritime Community. The code provisions that the police are citing for authority are vague, and the result is that the enforcement has caused anxiety and confusion. That's not fair to the community or the people enforcing the code. There needs to be a better process in place before the city takes someone's home. We need to work together to create regulations that clarify how vessels need to be maintained and operated. It's the only way to achieve well-managed and maintained anchorage. The way the city is currently approaching this issue is hurting and dividing the community in ways you may not be seeing yet. In response, we've formed the Sausalito Maritime Community. Would everyone here supporting our group please stand up? |
| 03:34:12.79 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Our request is that you stop removing boats and moorings until you meet with a representative from our group to discuss next steps. Currently, I am the designated representative for the Sausalito Maritime Community. I'll be reaching out to you in the coming days to request times to meet and discuss next steps. Thank you. |
| 03:34:39.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Susan Fox and then Paul Smith. |
| 03:34:42.84 | Susan Fox | Thank you. |
| 03:34:47.28 | Susan Fox | Good evening. I want to thank all of you for having this late evening conversation about the moorings and anchor out boats. I myself am a high school teacher in this district for 26 years. I went cruising with my family. I loved it so much. I wanted to continue living on my boat. I'm not homeless. I live on my boat as my home. I've raised my child there. He was an award-winning student in this community, won awards from this, well not you, but previous board members. We're upstanding members of this community. We are working members of this community. There is a diverse group of community members out there, and I like living in a diverse community, not just surrounded by affluent people. I myself can't afford a house in Sausalito because we're not paid well enough as teachers in this community. but yet I want to live and be part of my community. My boat is on a mooring that's been there for over 20 years. I've lived on my boat for over 15 years in Sausalito waters. And I want to maintain my community membership. I want to talk about what it's like living in a well-rounded community to my students and not just a privileged community. We should be a community of all people and not just the super affluent. It's shameful to isolate out by wealth. I want you to know that I believe that your ideas and the reasons why you passed your policy was assuming good intention but possibly misguided. Not everybody out there is in medical need or is homeless. OK? There's a type of lifestyle. Living on the water is a lifestyle. It's kind of like being pioneers. There were people that wanted to move across the country and move west, and there were people that wanted to stay in the city. And it's not up to me to say the people that live on the hill are creating tons of carbon dioxide, causing sea level rise, destroying our waterways, and killing our eelgrass because it's too deep underwater. I'm not judging your choices of lifestyle. Who are you to judge mine? |
| 03:37:26.09 | Susan Fox | I'm a taxpayer, I'm a voter, and I pay for school bonds and everything else just like the people on the Hill. As an aquatic biologist, I can tell you there's more damage caused by boats water skiing in our waterways, scurfing and other things cutting up eelgrass than there are from boats that are anchored or moored. Thank you. |
| 03:37:56.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And Paul Smith. And that's my last speaker card. |
| 03:38:02.63 | Paul Smith | Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor Burns, its council members. I'm Paul Smith. My 45-year-old motor sailor, Gypsy Gal, and I have been on our private mooring in Sausalito since 2012, where I've carried down an extensive and ongoing restoration of this classic wooden boat. Although I've attended informational community meetings and the City Council meetings regarding Anchorage, you haven't heard from me. And this is because I've been substantially in agreement with your efforts, your policies, and the enforcement activities thus far. Over the last year, you've made giant strides in dealing with the inarguable problems within Sausalito's jurisdiction. The Sausalito Anchorage is in general changed for the better, except as we've heard, there are some controversies in the way enforcement has been carried out. I don't know the details on all these, but I think it's worthy of taking a long look as you go into the future of these programs. The current effort To remove vessels used for storage and unoccupied vessels simply stored on the bay also seems justified, so long as unoccupied means substantially unwatched. The City of Sausalito's ongoing efforts to reach out and provide help to the entire homeless and anchor out community with sewage pump out, trash pickup showers and wellness resources is to be commended. reflects your concern for the entire community, not just those within Sausalito's direct jurisdiction. I'm now working with the Sausalito Maritime Community. Nick Leal, you just heard from, I call it SMC. Maybe we'll hear more about that. It's a diverse group of citizens to develop concepts for the future of Sausalito waters. These are responsible current stakeholders in the Anchorage, local waterfront and business people, professional and recreational mariners, and others in the community who love Sausalito and want the best future for all. Let me hasten to add that all my comments here are my own and do not represent the SMC. I personally envision a vibrant, diverse, and colorful anchorage that retains the best of past and present to ensure the best possible future while addressing the needs and concerns of all and the environment. I believe Sausalito is in a unique position to create a model for other waterfront communities. I believe an environmentally sound, economically self-sustaining, easily and efficiently managed anchorage can provide private and publicly owned moorings and anchoring areas that offer short or long-term use for long-time possible stakeholders, waterfront businesses, professional and recreational mariners coastal and world travelers and Visiting boats from elsewhere in the Bay Area. Thank you. Thank you good night |
| 03:41:15.64 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. and Mary Crowley. |
| 03:41:29.25 | Mary Crowley | Hello, I'm Mary Crowley, and I was lucky enough to find Sausalito as a place to live longer than I'd like to admit ago, but well over 40 years ago. And I've operated a global yacht chartering business for 38 years. I have a nonprofit organization that has done a lot of maritime education. We've been really focused on marine debris, so I applaud anybody that is cleaning up real marine debris for sure. That's an important issue. And, you know, I just heard about this meeting. I know a few people here, but I travel so much, I'm not as involved in the local waterfront as I once was. I was very involved at one point. But the last speaker, I thought, really put things beautifully about the way Sausalito is bent. I mean, you go all over the world, and you talk to sailors, and everybody has a special heart feeling for Sausalito. And just coming here tonight, hearing about this poor man whose vessel sank, and I did hear via some things that there's a whole group of maritime workers that are willing to help restoring that vessel. You know, all the Lester Stone Belt vessels that are around these days are really important historic monuments And so You know, I don't know the condition of that vessel. But I sure would love to see it be on the waterfront and being restored, like I experienced the Wonderbird and the Frida and a lot of good boats be restored. And I think that seems like a real possibility. I also know Alden Bevington through some of his global environmental work. And I've heard him speak at conferences and come up with really good solutions and plans. And I know how hard he's been working here. I hadn't heard until I haven't been in touch with him. I didn't know. about him losing his boat and getting everything crushed. And for somebody that's been working as hard as he has, it's really Criminal. that his possessions dealt with like that I do know he's had various health issues and that makes it even worse. Thank you. I mean, I would guess I'd like to just stay in closing. |
| 03:44:31.76 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:44:37.28 | Mary Crowley | that, Ma'am? Maritime heritage of Sausalito is worth protecting. |
| 03:44:38.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Mambo. |
| 03:44:44.84 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. One more sentence. No, no, we're done, thank you. |
| 03:44:46.38 | Mary Crowley | Thank you. Thank you. Homelessness is an issue. And the vessels here helped can help that issue. Ma'am, I hold everyone to three minutes. |
| 03:44:55.52 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Ma'am, I hold everyone to three minutes. I just wanna be fair to everyone, thank you. |
| 03:45:04.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, that was my last speaker card, so I'm going to close public comment and bring it back up here for discussion. |
| 03:45:13.67 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So first, we have the request for feedback from Richardson Bay Regional Agency about whether we want them to include Sausalito waters in the mooring study analysis. Thoughts? |
| 03:45:35.72 | Unknown | Madam Mayor, I apologize. David Lay has indicated to me he didn't fill out a speaker card, but was hoping to give public comment. And it's up to the council, of course. |
| 03:45:36.18 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah. |
| 03:45:44.06 | Unknown | I didn't get a speaker card from you. |
| 03:45:45.41 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:45:46.81 | David Lay | Yeah, I wrote six on a card, and I meant I meant the first and the last, or first and second I guess it turns out to be. I didn't get it. |
| 03:45:58.01 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, I did call you earlier, no? |
| 03:46:01.71 | David Lay | You did, but there was several parts to this whole six thing. |
| 03:46:02.54 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Oh, okay. |
| 03:46:06.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Oh, okay. |
| 03:46:09.07 | David Lay | All right. OK. There's really, in the boats that we've seen wrecked here, there's a communication problem. my boat was one of the ones that was wrecked by kind of surprise. And there's no need for that. Now that I've been sitting here the last few meetings, or whatever, it turns out that everybody knows way ahead of time a whole list of boats that are going to be nailed. And the last person to find out is sometimes the owner. I was like that. I discovered a note of my boat on the floor of my cabin. It was probably there for a couple of days before I realized I tracked it in. worst storm of the winter in February. And it stayed that way for a week. I had 10 days notice. Um... my boat was, um, picked up after, um, 10 days or so, there's a few extra days in there somewhere. Yeah, the weekend wasn't counted or I don't know. |
| 03:47:19.52 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Was this a boat you were living on? |
| 03:47:22.24 | David Lay | Yes, and long ago, as you know, I've even said it on this podium, that I was really looking to get on another boat because I'm an artist and I wanted to be able to see out of the boat. and I wasn't gonna voyage anymore. So in the process of that, I bought a new boat. And also, I was communicating all the time with Bill Price. I thought he was going to wreck my boat. And I expected to pay for that. And so he took me to school and told me how to empty the tanks and get the batteries off. a whole list of things to do to make it an easy job to just wreck the boat. And also, things I wanted to do was take stuff out of the new boat that I bought. and put the interior of my sailboat into the powerboat that I bought. And he understood that it was all mahogany and I had a fireplace and so on. Lots of really good things. I anchored the boat nearby so I could put the two boats side by side so I could unload and load. And none of that was possible during this long rainstorm and a blow in February. I couldn't watch it, but the boat was finally towed up on its side the same day it was taken off the moorings. And... I lost just everything that I've lived with for Good. ever since 77 on that boat. And, um, It was really just lack of communication to me, like I was supposed to go find out rather than I must have been talked about in meetings for a couple of months ahead of that, I find out, the way these are going now. There was no reason for all that to happen. I was in the process and I just didn't get there. And I was ignorant that it was going to close out in 10 days. And there was no reason for that. |
| 03:49:28.51 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:49:32.83 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, I'm reclosing public comment, bringing it up here for discussion, and the first question I'd like to have addressed is whether we want the city of Sausalito to be included to have its waters included in the mooring study analysis being performed by RBRA. |
| 03:49:52.34 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'll start on that. So the RBRA, showed the objectives of the study, or I think it was the objectives of the study at the beginning of their presentation. And they talked about secure moorings, improved safety of vessels, protection of eelgrass, strength and ability to monitor and manage the anchorage. They're more seaworthy, no debris or discharge, reduced safety and environmental risks. So I mean, I think moorings are one option for Sausalito. And I think if there's a study underway that we should be part of that. It doesn't commit us, depending on what the study finds, it doesn't commit us to participating in any program, but we would have more information than we do now. And I think it would be a good step. Thanks. |
| 03:50:43.54 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Who else? |
| 03:50:49.66 | Jill Hoffman | I would to build on that I would essentially agree But I would also add that the whole concept of doing this study must include impacts to the shore. our shore. Because... we're realistically essentially the only shore access. So what RBRA I'm not making a value judgment on the decision or a possible outcome. I too, under certain circumstances, could get my arms around a mooring concept. But it depends upon the devils and the details, plus all the environmental concerns. I mean, the environmental concern may just kill this. And I, quite frankly, am I'm shocked that It is contemplated that you would put a set of moorings on Richardson Bay without doing a sequel analysis. I'm quite shocked. So that's my only comment. |
| 03:52:15.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:52:15.47 | Jill Hoffman | Thanks. I, you know, um... It seems as it's presented it's kind of a benign study, right? But Here's the problem is that they're not including their waters and so that you know The representative from Belvedere is here advocating for this study But they're foreclosing the possibility that other members of our BRA would have to deal with the impacts of a mooring field And so I just don't think that's fair. If they wanna do a mooring study, then it should include all of the waters of Richardson Bay. And if it's really just about environmental impact, then let's hear about the environmental impact of Tiburon and Belvedere, by the way, they have the most water at stake. They have the most water of Richardson Bay, Um, You know, as I said, it seems like it's a benign sort of study, but it's really just the first step in determining where to put, if you are thinking about a permanent morning field, And that's where it is, a permanent mooring field of approximately 200 moorings is, I think, what they're was. then in fairness, it should be all of the waters, and then we'll take the next step. If it really is just a benign study, but my guess is it's not. It's the first step to justifying why the mooring should be off of Sausalito. That's kind of where I'm falling out at this point. And then also a recognition that you, if you're doing it for enforcement, then you have to actually talk about the enforcement program. You know, if you're saying, well, we want to have these for an enforcement program, well, how is that going to work? And if you don't have other enforcement program on the bay, then It really makes no sense whatsoever. So that's sort of how I'm falling out on it. Joe. |
| 03:54:15.98 | Ray Withy | Well, I like the price of it, so I don't mind participating in that way. I kind of wonder then if participating or being included allows us to, have some process where we can I think I think Beth and Marty did allude to that those areas are not not considered so it was a double negative but it was that they could be and maybe it takes somebody at the table in the process to see that they would be I'm more concerned just about and again I don't I don't have a lot of information here but the priority is just kind of the I don't know if they completely match what the outcome of a mooring field or mooring would be. And hearing from the public comment, you know, we still seem to have a difference of opinion what a debris boat is and what a living vehicle, a living boat is. And I'm surprised there's not a better clarity amongst the people that live on the water that there's a difference between a debris boat. and something somebody lives on full time. Because we're not housing people for a second home, or an occasional home, or when they want to live on it. If it's a home, they're there all the time, unless they're traveling on that boat. But, um, There seems to be a tremendous disconnect in that information that we're receiving. I do trust our police force greatly. I trust them with my life. So I don't know if it's the vernacular that we don't quite understand, but we have 10, 15 people come up and tell us about how we're doing something to the person where I think this council is very dedicated to the people of Sausalito and to the human element. We're not dedicated to debris boats and sinking boats and harming boats and things that are hurting our environment. I don't know why there's a disconnect in those two messages. And then I see even more confusing wording in the RBRA's priorities in what is unintended, unused, unregistered, and so forth. So somewhere along the line, I just hope that the vernacular gets cleared up so we all can understand what we're trying to do here. Humans are good, bad boats are bad. But I don't see why we Here are the messages we do. |
| 03:56:41.51 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks. So I agree with all of the comments I've heard. So I am very concerned that, and I did not realize until this evening that the feasibility study is confined to the two channels that are closest to Sausalito waters. So I see Beth Pollard coming up and You confirmed that earlier tonight, so I'm going to reopen public comments so you can address that point. |
| 03:57:11.26 | Beth Pollard | The only area that is excluded is the sanctuary. |
| 03:57:15.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | outside of Tiburon. |
| 03:57:16.32 | Beth Pollard | and the actual navigational channel that the US Army Corps of Engineers controls. |
| 03:57:22.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:22.02 | Beth Pollard | Thank you. |
| 03:57:22.33 | Unknown | They did say that. |
| 03:57:22.95 | Beth Pollard | It's all in there. So all of Richardson and then the question is to isolate the waters question mark. |
| 03:57:24.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:24.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. |
| 03:57:24.56 | Ray Withy | of... |
| 03:57:24.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:24.81 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:57:25.01 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. |
| 03:57:29.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So with the proviso that all waters outside of the sanctuary, which is obviously ineligible, are being studied. I agree with Vice Mayor Burns, the price is certainly right. but I do want to commend the RBRA for making its members available to meet with members of BCDC, the Audubon Society, the City of Sausalito, in a collaborative effort to really do exactly what the vice mayor said, which is to make sure everyone has a seat at the table and is apprised about this process as it proceeds. And, you know, has a voice. We may not always agree, but we are definitely working in lockstep on some important issues. And for that, I'm appreciative. |
| 03:58:23.99 | Jill Hoffman | Do we... I'm sorry. I must have misunderstood because I thought I asked specifically. You did. |
| 03:58:29.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | You did. Thank you. |
| 03:58:29.66 | Jill Hoffman | And I thought the answer was you, it was. |
| 03:58:31.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So somehow there was a misunderstanding. |
| 03:58:32.21 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:58:33.69 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:58:33.74 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay, it's not just me. And so do we wanna address Ray's point about CEQA study at this point? And if you're talking about an environmental, we want to address that with our VR and say yeah we'd like to be part of the feasibility so that with the understanding that we want to do that we would support further I don't know I'm not sure that's we will resolve tonight okay so okay I think that's a separate issue yeah okay |
| 03:58:56.24 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm not sure that's an issue we will resolve. Okay, so I think it's a separate issue. Yeah, okay. It may be a closed session issue. Okay, okay, thanks. |
| 03:59:01.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:59:03.53 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Okay, thanks. |
| 03:59:05.57 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:59:05.60 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:59:07.95 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, so we've given that direction. We received the report. Did the police department want to respond to any of the comments that we heard this evening? Okay. Are there any comments on the report from, SPD? |
| 03:59:24.67 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I think my only comment would be, you know, that it's just really important. I know that the police department has been working very hard to do outreach, but it is really imperative that we have clear communication, consistent communication and transparency. And this is not to disparage anything that has happened necessarily, but we are hearing more back from individuals that the process is not working in all cases. So I think the most to say tonight from my perspective is just that I think the police department is working in good faith, but I think we have a more and more active maritime community that are coming to our meetings and offering to be contacts and to be point people and you know that it's i think we can use all the resources um that we have and all the offers um to do outreach so i think that that's just my takeaway from tonight that we can just strive to continue to build partnerships and to build communication. |
| 04:00:35.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, I endorse that and again, Councilmember Hoffman and I sit on the waterfront committee, so we see a little more of some of the communications about these things that are happening. Anybody who's lived life knows there are always two sides to every story. |
| 04:00:47.78 | Unknown | AND I THINK THAT'S A |
| 04:00:53.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Um, And I agree that it is important to do as much outreach and ensure as much contact is made with any person whose vessel is going to be affected by our policies to ensure they're aware. of the impending action and have an opportunity as five people did last week to move their boats elsewhere. So that's exactly what we're seeking to achieve is to stop having people use our waters to store their boats on which they're not living. I was encouraged to hear Mr. Smith say that one of the goals of this Sausalito Maritime community is to create a an economically self-sustaining Anchorage because I You don't have one right now. Right now, the residents of the city of Sausalito are paying to rescue Mariners who are unable to take care of themselves during stormy weather and rough seas. We are having to rely on mutual aid to put out fires on our hillside because our firefighters are out on the water rescuing mariners. and Nobody on the water is paying for those services I'm paying for them, Joe's paying for them, Jill's paying for them, We're all paying for them. So, and those of you who pay taxes are paying for them as well, but not all of you are paying taxes and not all of you are Um, taking care of our public safety personnel who are risking their lives to look after you. And so I am encouraged to hear that there's an effort to collaborate with us to find a sustainable path forward for all of the members of our community. No, no, I'm, you know what? Public comment is closed. Feel free to write to me. I'm on the website. Feel free to send me a note. All right. Anybody else want to make a comment? |
| 04:02:58.46 | Unknown | you Thank you. I don't know how that works. Thank you. |
| 04:03:00.54 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | No? |
| 04:03:00.59 | Unknown | No. We just have to vote on that? |
| 04:03:02.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | No, we don't have to vote. We gave direction. |
| 04:03:02.78 | Unknown | No, we don't have to vote. |
| 04:03:05.57 | Jill Hoffman | Um, |
| 04:03:05.67 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Right? For RBRA? |
| 04:03:08.15 | Jill Hoffman | Madam Mayor. |
| 04:03:09.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | The direction is we will participate in your study. We like the price, thank you. Right. |
| 04:03:18.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:18.39 | Jill Hoffman | I just think it's worth reiterating what you said earlier, which is, yes, we've left RBRA, but we really thank them for being here tonight and for continuing to work with us and try and find solutions. So thank you, Beth. And Marty's left, I think. But thank you, Marty, for coming as well. So I appreciate that. |
| 04:03:42.54 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, that's true for all of us. Thank you. All right, we're gonna take a five minute recess before we resume with our next item. |
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| 04:16:57.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, we're gonna reconvene. |
| 04:17:02.51 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Alright guys. We're gonna reconvene. Start the next item on our meeting. Thank you and good evening. Bye. |
| 04:17:13.48 | Unknown | Yes, they're here. |
| 04:17:15.00 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, our next agenda item is item 6C, 2018 congestion management end of season report and consideration of first amendment to Sausalito bicycle congestion management agreement for the 2019 season. And I will welcome Stacy Gregory. |
| 04:17:39.29 | Unknown | I am mayor, vice mayor and council members. Lieutenant Stacy Gregory and I'm here to give the end of the season congestion management report. I think the chief wanted to introduce me but he's not here so. I'm gonna introduce Colette Martinez. She's here from the Golden Gate Ferry District. Lisa and John Scapazzi are here, and the Chamber, Julie is here from the Chamber, and Jeff. We're the congestion management team, as I like to call it. So we're gonna talk about the end of the season. So we talked about our bike partners. piece of this is our parking enforcement staff. They're a huge part in this whole thing as far as communication and keeping everybody honest. We'll move forward with Ambassador Services. We all saw the Station One, Ambassador counting bikes, giving the friendly advice to tourists as they come down the hill. The ambassador station counted. 203,643 bikes. That's a lot of bikes. They also kept track of the weather. they counted bikes for a period of time that actually went back up the hill because we were curious where all these bikes going. Well, 10% of them actually went back up the hill. And then they provided direction on how to get to Sausalito because you'd be amazed how many people, once they get to that location, can't find Sausalito. So that's the Ambassador Services. The bike parking services. They parked 61,755 bikes. That's also a lot of bikes. The Skopazis really took the time to learn kind of the system and how people operated when they had rental bikes and they came into this area. They developed a one-way system. So bikes come in one way and they go out the other way. They use chains to kind of section off where they wanted bikes to park. They really studied what worked to make it successful down there this year. There was always somebody to assist with the pay machines that you see in the picture there. And they were, again, just a friendly face to provide information to visitors as they were looking what to do in Sausalito, And then our bicycle return services, I really like this picture of their, I call it a rig. Chief doesn't like that. The truck and trailer in San Francisco, returning those bikes. I mean, that's an operation right there. They returned 8,619 bikes, Um, they rescued 22 bikes. And what that means is somebody had a flat tire, minor crash, any sort of mechanical issue with their bikes The Scapazis were on their way to get them, bring them back, return their bikes a lot of times for no charge, exchange their bike if they wanted to keep riding, if they weren't bruised up too much. So they provided that service as well as part of the bicycle return service. community involvement. I don't know if you all saw them in the Fourth of July parade. They're proud of what they do for this community. They're involved in the community, they employ local people. Um, And they generally care about the service they're providing to Sausalito. Most of businesses around them, including in Above Tides and some of the people that really struggled with lines. or happy with what they were able to provide this year. So overall, in my opinion, being involved in it for a few years now, We had a super successful year and it was because of all the players that I introduced earlier. But now we'll talk about numbers um It's a three-year comparison. And with the bike counts, You can really tell... that the amount of bikes coming into town has been on the decline. You can see that with the bike parking counts. Obviously, the bike return counts are up because we really pushed that program this year. but the numbers are down generally. With the bike release counts, We impounded some bikes, and again, the parking staff have discretion as to what they're going to charge to get the bikes unimpounded. Um, Those numbers are down too, but I liken that to our signage, our education and the fact that Some people are seeing bikes impounded, and they don't want to have their bike impounded, so they move along to the proper spot. |
| 04:22:51.56 | Unknown | Okay, the financial comparison for the three years. This is kind of a tough comparison because there are all three years we used three different models. 2016, Saucydo Plus ran their operation. invoices to the city of Sausalito and we paid them 2017. Um, kind of the same process, but we front-loaded the money. We gave them a certain amount of money hoping to reduce their staff hours and their overhead. And then you'll see at the bottom that's how we come up with a reconciliation credit. because that's money that Sausalito Plus actually didn't spend that we had allotted them. And then this year, the city collected all the money through the pay stations, kept their 10% and the South Sluta bike return was given their 90%. Again, it's hard to make sense of the numbers. They make sense because they're so generalized, but they're all, they're all, They're all different, but the bottom line is the bottom line. |
| 04:24:16.37 | Unknown | So this is just the information of what we brought in every month, what the city withheld, and then what Sausalito bike return was paid. |
| 04:24:32.59 | Unknown | South Little Bike Returns Financials. The initial payment, that was the $23,000 that the city agreed to give them to pay for the ambassador services, so Station One and Princess Street. That was money was fronted to them with the expectation that they were going to provide an ambassador to count the bikes and The Princess Street on the weekends and as needed during the week um there's the growth uh adjusted gross sales that has subtracted the city's 10 percent and then we go into their payroll and operating costs with their net profit of six just under sixty one thousand dollars |
| 04:25:15.79 | Unknown | Okay, you requested that I research traffic accidents and medical calls involving bicycles in Sausalito. So you remember the numbers we talked about, the numbers that were counted that came into Sausalito? These numbers are completely insignificant. 26 calls for service. The one thing that I couldn't figure out is of the six bicycle related collisions, are they So there's a lot of bicycle collisions that we will take reports on that medical doesn't respond to. So how those numbers kind of intertwine, I don't have an answer. But of the six bicycle-related reports, five involved vehicles. One was a solo bike accident. We didn't have any information. significant injury so we took a report document it and then three reports of vehicles up at fault and two reports of bicycles at fault So that's the... collision and medical call information. And that's from January until the end of October. Bicycle and scooter share. Sauce Little Bike Return and Jump had an agreement this year, which actually resulted in us not having to deal with the jump bikes after that agreement was made. So if a jump bike was left, John would kind of play his own little phone computer game and try to go and find it, and he would grab it and actually just take it back to San Francisco and put it wherever he wanted. Um... |
| 04:26:57.49 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Can I ask a question? Thank you. |
| 04:26:58.84 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 04:26:59.22 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Can I ask a question? Yes. Do they pay us for that? |
| 04:27:01.02 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:27:02.81 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:27:02.83 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:27:03.26 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Per bike. Yes. So they pay the bike return. |
| 04:27:04.73 | Unknown | Yes. Yes. And when we did, when we impounded, because I can think of one occasion where we did impound a jump bike, and John actually had to come and pay us 100 bucks. So and then he- Do they pay a fine? And then he in turn, if it's physically impounded, which this jump bike was because it had been left for a day or two, then we impound it and then we charge it $100. |
| 04:27:16.66 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Do they pay a fine? |
| 04:27:29.12 | Unknown | Otherwise, if it's impounded in place, it's $25 per bike for the ordinance. |
| 04:27:34.26 | Ann Hinton | Right. |
| 04:27:36.17 | Unknown | Scoot and Skip, as we all know, have been given authorization to operate in San Francisco. I have personally made contact with both companies to inform them of our municode the fines and fees that they have to pay if they violate it, and I also made sure that they had the information of the Sausalito bike return to hopefully, get them to enter into the same kind of agreement that JUMP did And both companies seemed very open to that. And they're going to be reaching out to the Scapazis as the season starts in April or March. So taxi regulations, They're a work in progress. They don't want to abide by the rules and, you know, The other side of that coin is the officers weren't sure that our ordinance was going to hold up in court. So we've now had our first citation challenged. The driver was found guilty. He was soliciting passengers in meeting lot one. So I have faith now that the officers will really start enforcing that. At the beginning of the season, we already have plans to put a sting in place. So we'll have plainclothes down there. And we will start writing citations every violation we see. And hopefully, that can get the message across. I've also reached out to Jeff Rawls. He's the taxi regulation program coordinator. And I'm hoping that we can strike a deal to have him help us with withholding their permit to operate if they're not abiding by our city ordinance, rules and regulations. |
| 04:29:35.04 | Unknown | Buses, another big part of our congestion downtown. We have our city ordinance regulations. The quiet zone, we get complaints. It's a cyclical basis. We make contact and it stops for a while. And then again, just yesterday I got an email that the red top open bus was going through town using their PA. It's a constant battle. We're never going to have 100% quiet. downtown, but I think we've established relationships with the management of specifically that one particular bus company and that I feel confident that when there is an issue and or we can find the driver that's causing the issue, They'll work with us because they do know and I've passed on that we have zero tolerance for them using their PA coming into town. The southbound exit prohibited, we have very few violations of that. Typically, it's buses that are from out of the area and are probably never coming back. Recently, we did have one bus that left, and again, it was the Red Top Bus Company. It was a new driver, and so I made contact with the management, and they said it's a new driver. They apologized, and they made sure that the information was passed down to their operations manager. And then the regulation of the parking fees and monitoring the bus parking, that's our parking staff. They do a great job with it. They were all trained by herbs so they know what needs to be done down there. And so I think the bus drivers also know that they need to stay on board with following the rules. Ferry and queuing, that's a huge part of what goes on downtown at the bicycle parking hub. Golden Gate Ferry has been a great partner in working together to figure out what would be the best cueing option. Um, knowing what we were up against, knowing that we're trying to keep the lines off the sidewalks. So we came up with configuration of the queuing area. We moved the benches, as some of you might know, on the pier area. That allowed for about 50 extra bikes to be queued in that area. Um, the pedestrian line because as people were getting rid of their bikes and we were starting to have issues with the pedestrian line, So we made the Disneyland, I shouldn't say we, Colette, it was Colette's idea. to make the pedestrian Disneyland type line to at least guide and give direction to the pedestrians that were lining up to queue. Again, Golden Gate Ferry was very responsive to the crowds that we have in Sausalito. When extra boats were needed, they provided one with extra hands because they knew these people were gonna have bikes on their boats. Throughout the season, I think from February until the end of our season, there was 99 extra boats. and also Blue and Gold increased their load time from 10 to 15 minutes, which allowed for more boats to get on the boat. So that was a big plus. |
| 04:32:58.30 | Unknown | That was a big job. |
| 04:33:02.94 | Unknown | Um, let's see, where am I? The ticket machines, Golden Gate Ferries replaced, the ticket machines with hopes that there will be fewer malfunctions. You know, with all equipment, there's going to be malfunctions, but they are making efforts to try to try to limit the malfunctions. I think the biggest thing is that the police department didn't get any complaints this year. And that's, pretty amazing considering the last couple years that we've had. when there were issues regarding the queuing and or the parking and or anything down there, I knew about it. I was on the phone with Lisa, I was on the phone with Colette. The communication was key. to fixing the issue immediately. And it happened every time. I just need to make a phone call, or my staff made a phone call to me, and the problem was solved. So I think that the communication was a huge part of why everything was successful down there this season. you This is in your report. I know it's too small for you to read, but it also shows that the numbers are down, and they have been consistently down, and they correlate to what we're seeing coming into town and parking. So improvements that we've made, the signage for bike, ferry, and taxi. There's signage for bikes on where not to park where two parks, what a bike should do when they get in the queuing area, what a pedestrian should do when they get in the queuing area or go around the queuing area. I'm not sure. directional signs for taxis to make sure that they're being included in our management plan and so people can find their way there if they do need that service. We talked about the queuing area. The line configuration and the benches were huge. We were able to really get more bikes into the queuing area, especially using that free space by the kiosk and then like I said the improvements relationships is all about relationships and being in constant communication and knowing if there's a problem you know if my parking staff had to step in and we'd work together as a team and and solve the problem And then some considerations for 2019. This is nothing that needs any sort of council approval right now. It's just kind of ideas that we're we're talking about is we'd like to improve the signage at the top of the hill so people know Keep going down the hill and you'll find Sausalito. And then another thing that Sausalito Bike Return is talking about is exchanging the Ventec machine, the payment system, |
| 04:35:50.98 | Unknown | She... |
| 04:35:53.26 | Unknown | to the square, and they've used the square last year when they did the biker turn. I'm not sure. So they have experience with it. They were very happy with it. And it would also allow different kinds of methods of payment, Apple Pay, you know, whatever you do with your phone nowadays. to pay, that would be available for them. So staff is recommending that the city council adopt the attached resolution approving the first amendment to the bicycle congestion management agreement of Sausalito bike return. That was the agreement and the resolution were in your staff report. If the amendment is approved, Sausalito bike return would continue to provide ambassador bike parking and bike return service for 2019 service under the same terms and conditions. And the only thing that would be changed would be the dates for the 2019 calendar. |
| 04:36:46.18 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you, questions of Stacy? |
| 04:36:54.53 | Jill Hoffman | So Stacy, do you have any kind of account for if any, the number of days that the bike line, the bike queueing line, backed up into the sidewalk outside the bike queuing area and into the sidewalk |
| 04:37:12.99 | Unknown | I think it was five at the most. |
| 04:37:16.06 | Jill Hoffman | Is anybody specifically keeping track of that? |
| 04:37:18.49 | Unknown | No. |
| 04:37:20.76 | Jill Hoffman | And Do you have a sense of how many times the pedestrian line backed up outside? Let me ask you this, sorry. Is the pedestrian line area then been extended into into the ferry landing area. I mean, I'm trying to figure out in my head the Disneyland queuing area, where's that? |
| 04:37:47.60 | Unknown | It's on the other side of the hedge, so closer to the landing, the benches. Same spot it's always been, it's just now a little bit more controlled. |
| 04:37:56.31 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, and do you have a number or how many times the pedestrian queuing line backed up onto the sidewalk or blocked the sidewalks outside of the queuing area? |
| 04:38:08.14 | Unknown | Since that has been in place, the specific queuing, it did not. |
| 04:38:14.42 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, and when did they institute that new Q&A area? |
| 04:38:19.90 | Unknown | I don't recall the dates. Colette might be able to. be honest. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:38:24.97 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 04:38:26.31 | Unknown | OK. First month of the season, she says. |
| 04:38:34.04 | Jill Hoffman | And then I had a question. about. some of the expenses. And we didn't really talk about the, we didn't really talk about the agreement with Sausalito Plus, I mean, I'm sorry, Sasslio bike return, you know, the pay structure. It was they got a certain amount of money If the revenue exceeded another amount, then our percentage increased. generally is how it worked. And so I was looking on page, |
| 04:39:12.01 | Jill Hoffman | I think it's... Page 4, 438. That can't be right. I don't know, this is the only number that's on my page. was talking about the financial details and the SBR 2018 financials. |
| 04:39:26.19 | Unknown | Yep. |
| 04:39:28.69 | Jill Hoffman | I was just having trouble understanding this. And so this is my suggestion, and I don't know how the rest of you guys are gonna feel about this, but because I just haven't had time to and we haven't had a presentation on the financial specifics Um, You know, in principle, I don't think I have an objection to extending Sausalito bike return into the next year, but I want to look at what our actual agreement is, what the financials are showing, whether or not we need to amend those or how we're doing that. you know, want to think about a couple of other duties that wouldn't be burdensome for you know, but there are eyes and ears down there at the ferry landing. So I would like to, you know, think about including, you know, keeping track of what happens on the lines and if the line exceeds a certain point that they take a picture of it and send it to us. so that we can actually have some metrics about how the management's going down there. Because that's been a big, source of this is your opportunity for questions. |
| 04:40:39.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | SOURCES. |
| 04:40:42.68 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, sorry, you're right. I'm veering off again. My question is really bigger though. I mean, it's like, I don't, I wanna understand the financial mechanism better I don't think Stacy's the person, or sorry, Sergeant Lieutenant Gregory Sergeant Gregory what I don't know I always call you Stacy |
| 04:41:03.25 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:41:03.49 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 04:41:03.51 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:41:03.51 | Unknown | I'll answer. |
| 04:41:03.54 | Jill Hoffman | I'll answer. |
| 04:41:03.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:41:04.13 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 04:41:04.18 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Anyway. Were you able to watch the finance committee meeting on this topic? No. That might be helpful. |
| 04:41:09.67 | Jill Hoffman | What might be helpful. day was at. |
| 04:41:12.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | . |
| 04:41:12.38 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 04:41:12.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:41:12.43 | Jill Hoffman | was several weeks ago okay |
| 04:41:12.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | was |
| 04:41:15.99 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, well maybe that's what, so I would like, you know, like I said, I would like to not approve this tonight, so that, we're not coming in yet. |
| 04:41:25.93 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Oh, right. |
| 04:41:27.77 | Jill Hoffman | Sorry, I keep hearing off. It's late. I think we should stop at 11. |
| 04:41:28.94 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I think we should stop at 11. Hey, you got a mulligan. Okay, other questions of Lieutenant Gregory? |
| 04:41:31.94 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 04:41:35.52 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | No. Public comment? |
| 04:41:40.01 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Going, going, gone. No public comment. We're gonna bring it up here for discussion. Who would like to lead off? We're being asked to approve the amendment to the Sausageville bike return agreement this evening. |
| 04:41:55.55 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I have a couple comments. So first of all, I just want to say to all members of the team, I can't remember what Lieutenant Gregory called the team. But anyway, congratulations. It sounds like there's been huge strides made in the last year and two and that you know a lot of progress I think a lot of the day-to-day issues that we were experiencing have been mitigated and there's just a lot kind of less friction going on in that area so I think I feel like that's something that we should recognize the two issues that I see that might still be issues are that I don't feel like we have a consistent or clear way to communicate our expectations of behavior by these companies, including bikes, scooters, buses, that do businesses, do business here in Sausalito, so that you have good relationships with some of them, but not all of them. So that's one issue. And the second is I don't feel like we really have a good mechanism to recoup the costs to our staff and to the city. from the impacts that are generated by these outside businesses that come into town. We don't get a business license fee from them, they don't pay taxes here, get revenue from them. So one of the things I was thinking about last fall when I was campaigning was this idea that we've been working on in San Francisco was some of the more disruptive new technologies, which is to require a permit for them for parking. And I wrote an email to Adam and Mary. And sorry, I didn't have more time to talk this over with staff. Oh, it came out so funny, okay. Looks like an old typewriter. And this is just, I'm not really wedded to this, but it's a tool that we've used in San Francisco that might be helpful. And the idea would be to require a permit per company to operate in Sausalito. And you would need the permit to be able to park in our parking areas. So for example, taking the bus operator. They would need an annual permit to park in the parking zone. And then the way it's worked in San Francisco is you can attach conditions to that permit that are enforceable through the permit and the cost of the permit reflects the cost to the city of implementing all of the things around the permit program so staff costs enforcement costs, enforcement costs, signage, all that kind of thing and so it's just something i wanted to throw out there kind of for the next kind of step is whether that would be helpful so that we would require a permit to do to park in sausalito for bus companies tour bus companies rental bike companies scooter companies bike share companies and we would put conditions on each of those permits that reflect the goals that we wanna see from those companies, the behavior that we wanna see from them. And it also has an easier enforcement mechanism. Instead of needing to do a citation, you just you go through the permit to the company, not to the user. So if there's bad behavior happening by users, you address it with the company and not with the tourist that's never going to come or is unlikely to come back. So the company feels the cost, educates their users more clearly. For example, helmets with kids. Most of the kids that I see riding into Sausalito are not wearing helmets. I mean, that's really awful. We don't probably have enough police resources to go ticketing them, right? But if we saw routinely that X bicycle company users of x bicycle company is violating the terms of their permit which requires youth to wear helmets we could you know, find them in that manner instead of an individual ticket. or revoke their permit for consistent violations, and that's just one example. Anyway, I just thought I would throw that out there. I'm sorry I didn't have enough time to meet with anyone ahead of time. but as food for thought to both recoup costs from these companies that I think are probably profiting nicely. from having their users visit Sausalito, and also just streamline our communication and our expectations to them. So that's that one idea. I'm in favor of... |
| 04:46:55.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:47:00.53 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | the amendment and then we had one other question for That was, can we put up the final slide? |
| 04:47:20.65 | Radio Sausalito Announcer | Thank you. |
| 04:47:23.14 | Unknown | I thought it was just the- Oh, it was just that. |
| 04:47:24.56 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | it's just that okay they said they would deal with other things later they'll come back to us right great the square okay so those were |
| 04:47:25.56 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:47:25.57 | Unknown | They said, |
| 04:47:27.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. |
| 04:47:27.88 | Mary Grogan | Thank you. |
| 04:47:28.53 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right. Great. The square. So those were my comments. Anyway, I think it seems like we've made a lot of progress. And I think that kind of some of the old ideas mixed with some of the new ideas are working well. Thank you. |
| 04:47:44.89 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 04:47:50.29 | Jill Hoffman | I think the some of the ideas that council member Cleveland Knowles is Suggesting is certainly worthy of consideration and study for next season I think that's good. I Don't think it really affects the immediate amendment to this agreement though. I think it doesn't affect it. It wasn't meant to be an alternative to what we're doing. |
| 04:48:20.28 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | No, it wasn't meant to be an alternative to what we're doing. It's meant to be another tool. And I think it's an excellent idea. To augment the city's relationship with the companies, but not to impact our relationship with Sausalito Bike Returns. |
| 04:48:25.83 | Jill Hoffman | And I think it's an excellent idea. Yeah. Yeah. Our relationship with. You know, I've been... Thank you. I've been following, obviously you have no choice, I've been following this since 2013, you know, I was sat over there opposite, I was sat exactly the opposite side of this dais with Herbie being mayor when he reformulated the pedestrian and bicycle committee that started, kicked off a lot of the, initially the ambassador services. In 2013, we were part, letting people park for free. And we slowly changed things, Sausalito Plus put enormous amount of creative energy into it. Our bike and peg committee did. We've made changes as each year, rejected what didn't work. brought on board and made more efficient the things that did work. And we haven't yet tested our new systems with 2016 levels of volume. |
| 04:49:34.55 | Michael Davis | yet. |
| 04:49:41.21 | Jill Hoffman | but I'm actually reasonably confident it would be as efficient as this year was. So I'm really pleased with the way it's going. And there's obviously things that have got to be ironed out. You know, when In terms of obviously the reconfiguration of the land site and everything, there's going to be some changes. The most important thing that I heard was that all the players are working together There's a lot less complaints. And my observation is, and it is in large part due to volume, but also due to good management here, I think, is The congestion feels a little lower. Right? To the point where I'm now considering that the majority of the congestion downtown is caused by pedestrians not having enough sidewalk to walk on. It's that simple. And you know. I think the bike return has had a significant effect. The numbers add up to me. You can see the effect that it's having. It's reducing the congestion of the bike. So I'm actually very pleased and I think we should move ahead and do this. I don't see any reason with all due respect of waiting to renew this. There's nothing I need to learn anyway to make this amendment to the contract. |
| 04:51:08.95 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks. Jill. |
| 04:51:12.78 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:51:12.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:51:12.83 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:51:13.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:51:13.06 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:51:13.27 | Unknown | Thank you. That's you. |
| 04:51:14.51 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, I guess that's right. |
| 04:51:14.57 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, I guess that's right. |
| 04:51:16.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:51:16.46 | Jill Hoffman | We're going to let her finish. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I wish that there had been, I mean, we've had no, So, I mean this is always a complaint, right, of people that aren't on the Finance Committee. Which is why we now |
| 04:51:30.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I know. Our finance committee meetings, publish our agendas on Granicus, including the materials. But if there had been. |
| 04:51:31.61 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 04:51:37.33 | Jill Hoffman | So anybody not on finance can now follow exactly what's happening. If there had been a notice in here that, hey, this was on this in a link, then I would have gone and watched. So that's a good point for staff. |
| 04:51:39.47 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | exactly what's happening. |
| 04:51:45.58 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | That's a good point. Let's go ahead and link to when we do have prior meetings by legislative or finance, let's link to that. |
| 04:51:53.18 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, but not just me, the public, right? So I'm not the only one that hasn't had this presentation. The public hasn't had one either. And so when you're talking about are we gonna approve you know, approve the contract for next year without really understanding what the financial agreement is and how that worked. And this is why, because I didn't, I don't want to get into it too much, So if I look at the line of gross sales over 2017 are up $50,000, and yet we made 4,000 less than we made last year. So our revenues went up by 53,485, yet the portion to Sausalito went down $4,000. So even though we had 53,000 more in revenue, we actually made less, we meaning the city. The city is. So without understanding that, that's why I'm hesitating to vote on the agreement right now because It seems to me that that. I need to look at that and see why that is. the reason why that's acceptable, I don't know, but I need to look at it. And then I'd like to know over here on Sauslio bike return expenses, you know, on their expenses less payroll, okay got it, 153,000. 195, but less operating costs, 68,000, which brings them below what I think is the threshold for the increased percentage payment 70 K is the threshold 70 so it brings them below 70 K so So I need to understand that before I vote on an agreement for next year. And I don't, and I don't think anybody watching certainly wouldn't understand that. report certainly couldn't understand it without having gone back and watched perhaps the Finance Committee meeting. And then, you know, just these little things that I would like to add in there just because that helps us with accountability, not necessarily associated bike return, but with our agreement with the ferry companies and the ability to gauge what's going on down there and whether or not there's something that we need to address as city council. Because we spend a lot of time talking about the ferry lines and where people are and YOU KNOW. Um, blocking of sidewalks and things like that. I understand that everybody else is probably confident to move on, You know, my suggestion would be that that I have the ability to look at this, and anybody else who might want to look at it, and watch the Finance Committee Report, Finance Committee presentation where this was presented, And if I don't have any questions, then it's just on the consent calendar for the next city council meeting. And if I have questions, then I can address that or request that would be put on that it be put on the open session. So that's my request, and just to be fair, to make sure that the questions are answered. Otherwise, I think it's a tremendous job, right? I always forget to say that. the people that work so hard on this issue, right? And the system that has evolved to the point that we are, I think is, like Ray said, I started working on this in 2014, And so we've come so far and I think that's caused to be hopeful and happy. So that's it. |
| 04:55:29.97 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Vice Mayor. |
| 04:55:32.25 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I am going to kind of go down the line here. With comments that Susan made, I'm going to let you address, Mayor, about what we heard at the Finance Committee as well from Tom Theodorus. Yes, I can't wait. So you can bring that up on your spot. |
| 04:55:42.58 | Matt Stolling | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:55:42.96 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, I can't wait. . |
| 04:55:49.24 | Ray Withy | And Ray your turn so Ray I completely agree that let's you know the numbers were low and it's hard to judge what that means and That was one of the things that we kind of looked at this year And we talked we joked about the weather But we were trying to figure out how many other metrics can we look at to describe or to To estimate where these numbers might be going year in and year out. And just recently at a meeting, and I won't go further than that, but we heard that San Francisco Travel has confirmed that their numbers are down. So that was kind of always the other question we asked is like where else is this impact occurring? And their concern is not so much economic at this point as it is the city of San Francisco, I mean general economics, but the city of San Francisco's |
| 04:55:50.27 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It's already written down. |
| 04:56:40.62 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:56:40.64 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Challenges. |
| 04:56:41.00 | Ray Withy | The challenge is attracting tourism, you know, and that that tourism is going down a little bit because of some of the news that's out in the world market as far as, you know, drug use and needles and things like that. With that said, we have to be ready at any point for that number to come back up. And I would love to check it against a 275,000 or 300,000 count year, because I do believe as well that the process is really good. And some people are going to have to step up in different areas. A lot of those numbers, if you look, kind of come off in the shoulder seasons. Our July was still pretty crazy. So if we did get to of come off in the side, you know, the shoulder seasons, our July was still pretty crazy. So if we did get to 300,000 in two years, if the numbers stepped back up, it might mean that we stretched some programs out a little bit, and some things go into September and April, those were some of the numbers that were off. Thank you for the numbers, because that is how we can start to manage this better. And that includes all the work that happened up to this year that Sausaloplus had done as well. And I appreciate that we talked about, you know, what, 2013, then 14 and 15. This is, and we knew this, this is a work in progress. Thank goodness we've had some time to adjust and got a good team together. So I'm ready to go tonight, and I do appreciate Jill bringing up the numbers, and I think the numbers do kind of tell the story. So there are a lot of numbers and they can get confusing, but the concept of the numbers is we didn't park any bikes. So we only made 15,000, but the group that Bust their tail and did a whole new rig and not full. Sorry chief did a whole new Truck and trailer. Yeah, we learned all sorts about you. they earned more and they earned that. So that was kind of the we that I think was okay for that earnings to be in that difference. Because that is the right math. that's the business we are in and we i think have done the business well enough that we can start referring to this as a good circulation management program that we're on and not a congestion management program because we are moving in the right direction we are circulating bodies again pointing back to ray's comment about the sidewalks smaller that's something that the pbac is actually talking about because um that is that is the next biggest challenge we think and some of the circulation is improving some of that pedestrian in that area so all good stuff I'm ready to support simply because I think we are on a success path and the things that we need to monitor and change before the season actually starts staff in the vendor can do that so |
| 04:59:40.11 | Jill Hoffman | Thanks. more comment okay um yeah the the idea that um council members cleveland knolls had yes because we talked about that before but for some reason we decided that we couldn't do that, but I would be very open to exploring that. Yes. |
| 04:59:57.99 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, and I think it's a conversation to have more with the city attorney and staff, the police department, about whether it's really workable and would add value. But thanks. . |
| 05:00:09.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 05:00:10.06 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 05:00:10.09 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I also want to say thank you to the Golden Gate Bridge District, the Chamber of Commerce, Sausalito Bike Return, Sausalito Police Department, and also Sausalito Plus for cooperating in the transition to Sausalito Bike Return. You know, it's a collaborative effort that has made a huge difference downtown this year. I am personally downtown every weekend except when I'm on a sister city trip to some foreign country and I have personally chased down taxi drivers that are soliciting in lot one. And I have said hello to Lisa more than a few times and I've been shown the ropes by Herb Weiner of the new circulation plan down there. And I'm just so impressed. by the remarkable difference. From my personal observation, conditions are greatly improved. I'm inspired by Susan Cleveland Knowles' creativity, We heard from Tom Theodorus yesterday in the Finance Committee who said we should charge BLT to the firms. Now that we have a new BLT, we should, they certainly have a nexus. In fact, the Chamber of Commerce awarded them Best Business of the Year in Sausalito a couple of years ago. So they certainly have a nexus with Sausalito. Let's also consider whether we can charge them a business license tax to operate. here in town. So I love this kind of thinking about how to ensure that the equities are even, that other, that private companies are not profiting off of the hard work of public agencies. um, On Friday, The vice mayor and I met with the Golden Gate Bridge District Um, I encouraged them to replace their ticket machines with an app. They said they're working on it. So I hope to see that happening in the next year or two. And of course, we have not abandoned the whole Vista Point Trail conversation either, so that's another vehicle to continue to reduce Congestion. I love Vice Mayor Burns. Revised. Revised nomenclature of circulation management program this was still identified by residents in our FM3 survey as one of the issues most challenging and so I think While we all should pat ourselves on the back for a job well done this season, I think we still have to invest some more time and energy through some of the things that have been discussed this evening to continue to improve our conditions downtown. I, I, think it's important to approve the amendment this evening i i do have the benefit of hearing some more details about the numbers at the finance committee meeting and I'm comfortable that they are reasonable. And I think it's important for Sassido Bicycle Return to hit the ground running this year. The last couple of years through no fault of anybody, we've been we've started off a little behind. We haven't been able to really plan in the winter for what's going to happen in the spring. Approving this amendment now, I think, we have an opportunity to leverage ourselves to have an even better year next year. So I also am ready to approve, and I would love to hear a motion. Go ahead. |
| 05:03:42.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 05:03:47.04 | Jill Hoffman | I don't see where delaying two weeks is going to impact greatly. They're, you know, moving forward for next year. I see your point and I absolutely want to be on the ground running. I want people, that's something that I've pushed for for years to get agreements in place. |
| 05:04:07.81 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:04:07.85 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 05:04:07.90 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | If there's no urgency, I would support Councilmember Huffman on this. I do feel like the staff report, all of our staff reports usually reference prior hearings, like when we have, there's been a prior hearing, the link is there and it wasn't there. You know, anyway, if there is urgency, I'm okay to move along tonight, but if two weeks is not going to make a material difference, then I would. |
| 05:04:08.89 | Jill Hoffman | I reckon. |
| 05:04:34.36 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So if this comes back on consent, |
| 05:04:34.91 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | comes back on consent. It's not an issue. But we have a full agenda. And I have a council member complaining that I not have our meetings go too long into the night. |
| 05:04:42.86 | Jan Johnson | Long. What is that? |
| 05:04:44.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And so I want to be respectful. of the concerns of our council members. So if it's truly, you know, answer questions and put it on consent. You know, I don't want to thwart anybody's process, but our meetings are pretty full for the rest of the year, so. |
| 05:05:04.72 | Ray Withy | I make a motion that staff is recommending the council adopt the resolution attachment to approving the First Amendment of the Bike Congestion Management Agreement with SBR Exhibit A to attachment two. |
| 05:05:16.44 | Jill Hoffman | And I second that motion. |
| 05:05:18.47 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Serge, will you please call the roll? |
| 05:05:21.39 | Serge | Councilmember Withey? |
| 05:05:22.48 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 05:05:22.50 | Serge | Yeah. |
| 05:05:22.58 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 05:05:22.85 | Serge | Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles. Yes. Councilmember Huffman. No. Vice Mayor Burns. Yes. Mayor Cox. |
| 05:05:23.77 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | . Yes. No. |
| 05:05:31.06 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes. All right. That motion carries 4-1. Hoffman dissenting. All right, we will move on to city manager reports, council member reports, city council appointments, other council business. I'll hear public comment on all of those items. Thanks everybody. Congratulations, have a good night. I see no public comment. We will turn it over to the city manager. |
| 05:05:58.72 | Adam Politzer | I have no specific report to provide to the council, but happy to answer any questions. |
| 05:06:04.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Councilmember reports. I would like Vice Mayor Burns to share with us an idea from our agenda setting committee about council member reports. |
| 05:06:16.92 | Ray Withy | I'm sorry Mike Langford just left the room it was at his committee meeting the other night with the Park and Rec Commission that I am the liaison but I also presented kind of ideas for that committee to get it engaged a little bit and it's such a it's such a talented committee and there's seven of them so even though they were missing two people they're still as big as all of our other committees and and I think there's so much out there for them you know we just recently shared some emails about getting them engaged in the land side because you know opportunity for public art opportunity for improvements to Gabrielsen whatever it is we're we're the same conversations with sustainability and PBAC, both on general plan items, |
| 05:06:42.35 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 05:07:08.56 | Ray Withy | land side issues but some of the feedback was it's it's really confusing on how to get involved it's really confusing for them to be proactively engaged as opposed to you know having a staff report and they yay nay it or the information is sent down to them from maybe the council so And there is no right answer and there's no consistency among the committees at this point. But I thought of, you know, maybe at some point next year we'll look at outside of our protocols, maybe a little more alignment with the committees that they're all a little consistent and they have maybe a different path of engagement with the council than just the liaison. Whether it be a systematic approach or something that they can be more, better connected and proactive they you know they are advisory to this council but also they are ambassadors they're soldiers on the street there are a lot of things and it's kind of has to be a an even or Eve easier process for them to bring ideas as well as just take direction so no one committee is doing it better or worse I was we haven't gotten into those weeds just I heard what they were saying. I was like, hey, into those weeds just I heard what they were saying It's like hey, how do we do this? What what what is kind of the process? and I think you know we can put that into more documentation and more guidance for our committees We might get a little more out of them because they are such talented folks on on all of them that we've appointed the last year and a half that |
| 05:07:56.38 | Radio Sausalito Announcer | better for the country. |
| 05:08:40.88 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, and this is just one small suggestion, but I have noticed that at all of our hearings about the various park issues, they have not come. You know, even one or two. Yeah. |
| 05:08:52.39 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 05:08:53.00 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | members or, you know, It's been staff and then other interested community groups, but they haven't. It would be nice to hear from them about what they thought was great about the plan. |
| 05:09:04.34 | Ray Withy | Exactly, exactly right. |
| 05:09:05.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Exactly right. To be engaged in that way. So that might be a start of just encouraging them when we heard about the MLK. item last time we're hearing about parks on November 27 |
| 05:09:14.45 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:09:14.48 | Ray Withy | Yep. |
| 05:09:14.75 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:09:16.91 | Ray Withy | Yep, and parks as a current item, but then even looking outside of their current purview is what does it mean with landside, you know, and that type of stuff. Which we are challenging all three committees that I mentioned, PBAC, Sustainability, and Parks and Rec, to really come to this next community engagement process of the landside with pre-discussed items that they can take. They have two meetings. Most of those have two meetings before that next outreach meeting that they can come with ideas whether they fully vet them partially vet them or just a member comes up says hey I got an idea but we they're boots on the street that we need to hear from more often |
| 05:09:24.46 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | which we are challenging. |
| 05:09:25.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:09:50.98 | Unknown | We've been Thank you. |
| 05:09:56.48 | Ray Withy | MTA the only update is what we saw tonight though we are meeting this week and library had a report I guess I was previous meeting that's it |
| 05:10:12.87 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Great. Committee reports. |
| 05:10:17.05 | Jill Hoffman | I've not been to anything since the last meeting that I can think of. Lucky me. But I've got three things next week, and then Thanksgiving. |
| 05:10:31.62 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I went to the Sustainability Commission last Thursday. I was a little bit late, but they heard from the county liaison for the drawdown Marin So and I think you're starting to make some good connections with that process. We talked a little bit about the rate process in light of some questions that have come up about possibly considering mandatory recycling or composting and how that would interact with rates. Because usually those programs are only successful if you have an incentive that you pay less If you have a incentive that you pay less if you compost and recycle. So that is a question that we need to talk to Public Works and others about, possibly, the city of San Rafael, which just did a rate study. So those were, I think, the main issues that came up. They're continuing to work on the liaison with the general plan update committee. |
| 05:11:38.65 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Sure. Okay, I did attend the RBRA meeting last week as you all heard tonight. I continue to share Sausalito's progress with RBRA and encourage them to stay in lockstep with us. Susan and I attended a Mayor's Blue Ribbon Committee meeting on housing on Sunday. |
| 05:11:59.89 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Oh, yeah. |
| 05:12:02.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | and we've been meeting every other Sunday for several months now. Um, And We are finalizing a report that we will plan to present to the City Council on November 27 with our ideas in hopes that the City Council will then forward some of those ideas to the appropriate committees GPAC or legislative committee for further consideration and action All right. |
| 05:12:29.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:12:29.39 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thanks. Um... I think, oh, and we received an invitation to a reception from the Coast Guard that Jill is going to attend on the city's behalf on Thursday. Okay, I think that's it. Have I left something out? Huh? |
| 05:12:53.44 | Unknown | Any plans for you? Thank you. |
| 05:12:59.12 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, so we can cover that under appointments. Yeah, so, well, I'm gonna cover that under future agenda items. The city council appointments is next. I do wanna make an appointment to this very short term ad hoc committee to give feedback on metrics to be collected by the Homeless Shower Program. So Jill, I'm appointing you to that committee. Does anyone else wanna be on that committee? |
| 05:13:30.31 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right, so Jill, I'll join you on that committee. I fully expect it to be disbanded within a couple of weeks. It's just for the purpose of working with staff to identify some metrics that could be useful to collect. I've had some letters from residents, so I just want to give that feedback to staff. |
| 05:13:55.48 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All right. appointments to boards commissions and committees we have a staff report regarding accepting and affirming the request of the sustainability Commission to move Greg Thompson from alternate position to full member and move Sam Rubin from full member to alternate position on our sustainability Commission may I have a motion |
| 05:14:13.34 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | to the So moved. |
| 05:14:14.54 | Jill Hoffman | So moved. |
| 05:14:15.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | second. |
| 05:14:16.41 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | All in favor? Aye. That motion carries five zero. Future agenda items. We have a list of future agenda items, which is rapidly winnowing. What did you wanna know about short term rentals? |
| 05:14:17.40 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Hi. |
| 05:14:29.08 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. |
| 05:14:31.75 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, I do think that's kind of the elephant in the room. We will. |
| 05:14:34.06 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | We will on November 27, we will hear a an item that the Finance Committee is forwarding to the City Council to consider HIRING, a part-time enforcement program who would using the revenue from the measure L to work on all Sausalito enforcement issues, including short-term rentals. the City Attorney is evaluating some of the issues raised by in correspondence regarding short-term rentals and we'll report back to the City Council on those and following that report, I expect that item will come back on the agenda. But I don't think it'll come back on the agenda this year. It'll probably be next year. |
| 05:15:24.16 | Jill Hoffman | question my mayor yes is the does the thing that you're proposing bringing back to council include possible contract with host compliance or some other yes such |
| 05:15:25.87 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes. |
| 05:15:45.32 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes. |
| 05:15:46.83 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 05:15:46.86 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So it will include going out for RFP, a proposal to go out for RFP to hire a compliance vendor. |
| 05:15:46.89 | Jill Hoffman | THEIR OWNERS. |
| 05:15:56.21 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It landed on the Finance Committee because you sent a note we put it on future agendas And it went to the Finance Committee, so that's why the enforcement piece is moving forward, but it's moving forward separately from the pilot program, which needs further analysis and won't be ready to bring back to us Thank you. |
| 05:16:13.79 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yes. So it needs further analysis from who? Thank you. |
| 05:16:16.41 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | City Attorney. |
| 05:16:18.42 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Is that so that we cannot move forward on the short-term rental issue until |
| 05:16:25.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | so the agenda setting committee addressed this and the agenda setting committee um it has outlined it's just not my |
| 05:16:25.91 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. THE FAMILY. |
| 05:16:31.87 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | It's just not my understanding that that's what is needed is further analysis of that letter. So if you're saying that that we can legally not move forward. |
| 05:16:41.18 | Unknown | you're saying that that |
| 05:16:46.41 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | until we have an analysis of that? Is that what you're saying? |
| 05:16:52.15 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So the agenda setting meeting, the committee meets and discusses what should be scheduled when and in what order. So... Okay. at that. And you requested a closed session, you specifically requested a closed session item. And open session item for today. Well, I didn't get that it was for today. I got that you had requested a closed session item. And so the agenda committee considered your request for a closed session item, along with the other items. And so both of those will be accommodated. but. We're not going to hear the short term rental program on the same day that we hear the, Feedback from the city attorney because we don't know what that feedback is going to be So. |
| 05:17:42.32 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, I mean, I don't, you know, I don't think that the letter Well, |
| 05:17:47.36 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I was opposed to a closed session. You asked for a closed session on- |
| 05:17:52.70 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I asked for a closed session because it was continued at the hearing based on two legal challenges. I had only received one. Tom Pudeau was the other one. |
| 05:18:01.13 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Tom Theodoros was the other one, and you were |
| 05:18:03.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | that. |
| 05:18:03.50 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:18:03.63 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. Thank you. All right. |
| 05:18:07.04 | Ray Withy | I'll just mention too. |
| 05:18:07.44 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So I can withdraw that request. |
| 05:18:13.10 | Ray Withy | On the... the RFP for the compliance, host compliance, or the other companies that would be receiving that, we don't know how to direct them yet either. We could go for a full ban RFP, but then change that, or we can go, so we probably should. |
| 05:18:32.93 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So we can't discuss tonight all the ins and outs. |
| 05:18:35.74 | Ray Withy | But as far as bringing up the RFP, we still have another question to answer before we Yeah, or the RFP can be. |
| 05:18:38.95 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, or the RFP can go out and say, we will be asking you either to do this or do that. You will hear a full report on that at our next meeting on November 27. |
| 05:18:50.95 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, but the only comment I'd make is, Madam Mayor, that, you know, I understand now with the way things are evolving, the short-term rental issue really can't come back this year. I understand that. But Councilmember Cleveland Knowles is correct. I mean, there's an elephant in the room. And this needs to come back as soon as possible in the new year to have a resolution one way or another. I mean, you know I'm not for it. I think there's three votes up here for it. There needs to be a resolution. You can't let this drag out through months next year. That's my point. That's my point. |
| 05:19:31.63 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So that's my point. I agree. I carefully considered this. I don't see a way to bring it back this year. I do think it's important to hear feedback on the challenges and make sure that the city is taking the right steps in whichever direction it goes. And so, |
| 05:19:51.95 | Jill Hoffman | I'm supportive of that. |
| 05:19:52.21 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | The Vice Mayor and I have had our last agenda setting meeting. And it will be up to the mayor and the vice mayor to put this on the agenda next year. And that will be up to them, the timing of that. Okay. No other reports of significance. We'll stand adjourned at 1150 PM. Thank you. I'm not adjourning in favor of standing. |
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