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| 00:00:00.42 | Unknown | the sand. Catching teardrops in my hand. My heart is drained stage Why? you You'll be on my mind. for ever Bye. Out across the endless sea Thank you. Bye. I would die in ecstasy. But I'll be a vagabond. Thanks. Driving down. The road alone. . My heart is drenched in wine |
| 00:01:03.01 | Unknown | You'll be on my mind for now. |
| 00:01:35.69 | Unknown | Something has to make you run for me. I don't know why I didn't call mine. I feel as empty as a drum. I don't know why I didn't come you Don't know why I didn't come. I don't know why I didn't come. |
| 00:02:20.65 | Unknown | . |
| 00:02:24.73 | Unknown | Thank you. You're talking so sweet. Well, you needn't. You say, you won't cheat? You're tapping your feet while you need them. It's over now, it's over now. You're dressing with class what you need. You're holding your sense what you need. |
| 00:02:39.23 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 00:02:41.83 | Unknown | You think you're a gas? Well, you need him. It's over now, it's over now. It's over now, it's over now. You had your fun, so take a bow. You ought to know you lost the flow. The beat is slow, the shadows grow, the lights are low. It's time to go, let's close the showdown. You're taking off, wait, well, you need me. You're looking just great, well, you needn't He said, and the bait, well, you needn't. It's over now, it's over now. |
| 00:03:23.46 | Unknown | . Bye. |
| 00:03:37.45 | Unknown | Bye. . |
| 00:03:44.67 | Unknown | . . Bye. . Bye! Bye. I'm going to go. I'm telling you. . Bye. |
| 00:04:13.14 | Unknown | You're listening to Radio Sausalito, a non-commercial, Part 15-compliant radio station broadcasting great music and community information 24 hours a day. You can hear us on 1610 AM in Southern Marin, also heard on cable as the audio accompaniment for Marin TV. Our FCC IDs are NWXAM1000 and MQ5FM10TX. Our web address is radiosausalito.org. |
| 00:04:41.40 | Unknown | Hide your heart from sight Lock your dreams at night. It could have to you. |
| 00:04:57.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:57.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:57.82 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:04:58.25 | Unknown | Joe! Count stars or you might stumble. Who's number? Someone drops a sign And down you tumble Keep an eye on spring Run when church bells ring. It could happen. to you. |
| 00:05:32.05 | Unknown | Oh, I did Was wonder how your arms would be And it happened. To you. |
| 00:05:47.03 | Unknown | And love your dreams and dreams. It Good house. |
| 00:05:55.50 | Unknown | We could have |
| 00:05:56.57 | Unknown | to you Don't count stars or you may stumble. |
| 00:06:10.07 | Unknown | Someone drops a sigh and down you tumble. Keep an eye on spring. Run when church bells ring |
| 00:06:26.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:27.75 | Unknown | It could happen |
| 00:06:29.78 | Unknown | you |
| 00:06:30.32 | Unknown | to you. Thank you. All I did was wonder how your arms would be. And it happened. to me. |
| 00:06:50.03 | Unknown | I love you. |
| 00:06:51.87 | Unknown | you |
| 00:06:52.03 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Oh. Thank you. |
| 00:07:15.15 | Unknown | He would spend it on the pony He would spend it on the girl by his mother Jen and Rosenhead for her proud-handed curls But when his wife said, hey now, what did you get for me? He socked her in the chopper. Such a sweet, sweet guy was he. Thank you. |
| 00:07:41.33 | Unknown | Let's start here. I love black fire. |
| 00:08:08.02 | Unknown | How he loved the old race horses, he would bet them every day. One day he caught the withers, and the cabbage was on the hay. He indulged in fancy spending, ordered rings, cards and spurs. But alas, alack, like a stab in the back, she found out they were not hers. |
| 00:08:35.41 | Unknown | Bye. Here. Most like wine. Yeah. All right. Bye. She's a real clown. Amazing. Bye. Oh. |
| 00:09:02.54 | Unknown | He got mixed up with amazing things. He got mixed up with the flow. So flow shoved him in the river. He might get mixed up no more. Wipe them, pray for self and plan That showed her figure fine Then she cussed him out The two-faced guy No insurance could she find |
| 00:09:25.51 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:09:29.98 | Unknown | You Oh, thank God. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:10:20.64 | Dave Frisberg | This is Dave Frisberg, and you're listening to Radio Sausalito. |
| 00:10:42.78 | Unknown | I'll be around |
| 00:10:46.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:46.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:46.97 | Unknown | you |
| 00:10:47.03 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:10:47.25 | Unknown | . |
| 00:10:47.96 | Unknown | you No matter how You treat me now |
| 00:10:58.48 | Unknown | I'm having you now. from now on. . you Your latest love And never last And when it's passed I'll be around When she's gone |
| 00:11:41.03 | Unknown | Goodbye. That's me. And if you find a love Like mine. Just now. And then... We have to live. to say you're feeling fine. And when things go wrong Perhaps you'd see. You're meant for me. you Bye. And I'll be around When she's gone |
| 00:12:40.81 | Unknown | Yeah. And if you find 11. Like mine. Just now. And then... got me alive. Say you're feeling mighty fine. Thank you. When things go wrong Perhaps you'll see You made for me. |
| 00:13:16.31 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:13:20.60 | Unknown | you |
| 00:13:21.71 | Unknown | And I'll be around When she's gone When she's gone |
| 00:13:42.82 | Unknown | Bye. I'm not going to be a good one. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you. you |
| 00:13:50.87 | Unknown | Radio Sausalito thanks the Sausalito Marin City School |
| 00:13:54.70 | Jonathon Goldman | Good evening. How's everybody? We're going to start here. We're a little late. Sorry about that. We are coming out of closed session there are no comments from closed session any public comment on closed session. Seeing none, I'm gonna take roll. |
| 00:14:13.74 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:14:20.72 | Jonathon Goldman | Serge, take a roll, please. I can't find on this guy. |
| 00:14:24.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:24.69 | Jonathon Goldman | to. |
| 00:14:24.98 | Unknown | Councilmember Cox? Bye. |
| 00:14:27.89 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:14:28.01 | Jonathon Goldman | All right. |
| 00:14:28.03 | Unknown | All right. Councilmember Hoffman. Council Member Withey? Here. Vice Mayor Cleveland Lowes? |
| 00:14:35.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:35.47 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:14:35.49 | Unknown | I'm careful. |
| 00:14:35.98 | Unknown | Thank you. Mayor Burns. |
| 00:14:37.24 | Jonathon Goldman | Here. Stand for the pledge. Diane Brokaw, would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, please? That's why I did it for you. |
| 00:14:48.03 | Dave Frisberg | to apply. of the United States of America. |
| 00:14:50.74 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:14:52.35 | Dave Frisberg | and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:14:55.30 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:15:00.94 | Jonathon Goldman | here. Now I'll tell you that we had a closed session. There are no closed session announcements. Any public comment on closed session items? Seeing none once again. Looking for an approval of the agenda. |
| 00:15:13.58 | Unknown | So moved. Actually, AND I THINK THAT'S A Thank you. We have, nope, so moved. Second. |
| 00:15:26.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:27.11 | Jonathon Goldman | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:15:28.29 | Unknown | I know. Thank you. |
| 00:15:28.64 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:15:31.14 | Beth Pollard | Thank you. |
| 00:15:33.62 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, I think you got the big one. |
| 00:15:34.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:34.79 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:15:34.80 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:15:36.05 | Jonathon Goldman | Next up, special presentation, mayor announcements. I have two announcements. One, we will be closing this evening's meeting in the honor of Dorothy Gibson, who passed away this past week. Dorothy's been a longtime contributor to Sausalito, and I see some people in this audience that knew her and did so much with her. So, sorely missed, we'll be closing tonight's meeting in her honor. Also, on a lighter note, but... Also somebody who's going to be leaving us is Jonathan Goldman. And I just wanted to announce that today is Jonathan's last meeting, council meeting, as a city employee. He's retiring. and he can tell you everything else he's going to do once he retires, but obviously we're going to miss Jonathan tremendously in all that he's done for our community. In your last meeting, have fun tonight. |
| 00:16:49.60 | Jonathon Goldman | And on that happy note, I will turn it over to the Marin County Sustainability Team update. Kelley. |
| 00:16:56.87 | Callan Damon | Hello. |
| 00:16:57.21 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:16:57.24 | Callan Damon | Thank you. |
| 00:17:01.52 | Callan Damon | Lean down a little bit. Good evening. Thank you for having me. My name is Callan Damon. I work with the County Marin and the Community Development Agency with the Sustainability Team. Been there about four years. I'm going to be respectful of my time right now and kind of get through some of these programs. But just kind of real high level, I want to give you guys two prongs here. Just a quick update on some of the stuff that we're working on, some of the stuff that your citizens could take advantage of, and then how Sausalito can help us, kind of help you, help us type of thing. Without further ado, and feel free to jump in with any questions. So just jumping into some of these residential programs, the first one I want to talk about is Home Energy Score. So Home Energy Score is what's known as a green labeling program. Basically how it works is a professional comes out to a home, this is for single family homes, and they take a whole spec of the house, they give the homeowner a idea of how efficient the home is and what can be done to make the house more efficient. That's kind of the long and short of it. There is a $200 rebate for each home scored. A lot of contractors will use that as a kind of sales technique where it kind of pays for their time to go out in the hopes of maybe getting some extra work out of it down the road. Some contractors that only do home assessments might charge $300, $350, where the $200 rebate would just kind of subsidize that. So it just depends on the size of the house and the contractor. THE FAMILY. Bayrun Home Plus. Has anyone heard of Energy Upgrade California Home Upgrade? This is a program that started in 2010 as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds, and it basically gives homeowners rebates for making large energy efficiency improvements to the home. So this can be stuff like insulation upgrades, air sealing upgrades, changing a furnace, switching out your duct system, upgrading your AC, which we don't see much here in Marin. And that program basically the amount of the rebate depends on the amount of energy saved. And what we've done here with Bay Run, which stands for the Bay Area Regional Energy Network, is change that program around. So in the past you had to go through a whole house assessment and you had to do multiple measures. Well now with the Home Plus program homeowners can just do one. So instead of going from a, so instead of having to do a $10,000 upgrade to the house, you can do one at a time. We're trying to bring the number down to something that folks in the middle income bracket can take advantage of. And we don't have the data now to, you know, give you an idea of what a normal project would cost, but in a year we'll have more data on that. The Home Energy Advisor Service is really great. We tell residents to basically, if you have any questions about these rebate programs, even if you want to do a do-it-yourself job for home energy efficiency, you can call the Home Energy advisors, they are a third party, they're sponsored by BayRen, so they're not financially connected to any work that gets done. And they're just there to kind of walk people through the process, they can connect homeowners to rebate programs, financing programs, other sustainability initiatives that are in their area, and this is across the Bay Area and all over Marin. And so moving on, away from the Bay REN programs, the county just was awarded a grant through the Air District, the Bay Area Air Quality Management District, to offer rebates for electrification. So what that means is folks that are looking to change a gas furnace, cooking, a gas cooking stove or stove top, or a gas hot water heater to electric versions of those appliances can get a rebate from the county. The rebate ranges from $250 all the way to $4,500 depending on income and what's being replaced. And the whole idea there is that our grid is becoming cleaner each year with programs like MCE. And the idea there is to further reduce greenhouse gas emissions, we're going to have to electrify homes. Kind of the same way people are going to electric cars over gas cars. And lastly, I want to talk about the Bay Area Air Quality Management District's Wood Stove Program. So everybody in Sausalito and Marin City are eligible for an increase incentive from Bachman for changing out wood burning appliances. So this is stuff like wood stoves and fireplaces. There are certain zip codes in Marin, Sausalito included, which the Air District considers high impact resident areas. So according to their data, there is a bigger instance of wood smoke pollution. So they want to incentivize folks to change out wood burning appliances here. So it can pay for, I've seen receipts across my desk where it pays for about half of a project, which is really great. And how we can help. So, you know, a lot of the outreach that I do can be pretty plug and play. We've done, let's see. So, I mean, we've done anything from just including information in front of the library, handing out brochures to different departments that interface with citizens, you know, people that are coming in for permits, that sort of thing. We can partner with the city on doing a direct mail campaign where we can, send out postcards like this and slap the city logo on there so people know that the city's behind it. We can even do some heavy lifting, like hosting a homeowner workshop. And you can go so far as providing extra incentives for home energy scores that are done in the city limits. So those are just some ideas. You know, we're here to help you guys. If anything pikes your interest, you know, our door is always open. And that's about all I had. I will say that all these programs are designed to help people save energy, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and that's good for them, good for their homes. And it's also good for the government climate action plans that most of the cities in Marin have passed. With that, are there any questions? |
| 00:23:52.06 | Unknown | I don't have a question, but I have a comment. I am our liaison for the City Council to our Sustainability Commission, and I think I would recommend to my fellow City Council members that I bring back |
| 00:23:58.52 | Kile Pile | Bye. |
| 00:24:04.77 | Unknown | these programs and ideas and see if there's interest in doing any kind of a direct mail or other incentive program to get the word out more here in Sausalito of that. And also to talk of course to our staff liaison Andy Davidson to see which you know which one of or all of them might be something we'd like to work on and focus on so that. if that meets with and then come back to the council if needed. |
| 00:24:35.78 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. And I think any type of links we can put on our website or anything else that that gets our residents in touch with these programs as well. |
| 00:24:40.10 | Callan Damon | Yeah. Yeah, and our office is happy to draft language, do the design of any collateral piece that goes out, so. |
| 00:24:43.31 | Jonathon Goldman | And that's it. |
| 00:24:51.44 | Unknown | I mean, |
| 00:24:52.07 | Callan Damon | Thank you. |
| 00:24:52.09 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Kellan. Anything else? Thank you. Great, thanks for that presentation. |
| 00:24:52.67 | Callan Damon | Thank you. |
| 00:24:52.69 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:58.48 | Jonathon Goldman | Next up, before we get to number one, B, I just want to note, we heard from Jill is not going to be, Jill Hoffman, Councilmember Jill Hoffman, will not be joining us tonight. We'd hoped she was going to make it here. You heard during roll call that she did not attend, so she will be absent this meeting. 1B, Introduction of Administrative Aid, Maria Hernandez. Mike. Lankford, our director of parks and recreation and public works. |
| 00:25:25.31 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you, Mayor, but that's not a job I would want right now. Well, good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Council. It is my privilege to introduce to you Maria Hernandez. She's actually been with the department since October. because of different schedules and stuff, we just haven't been able to get in front of you. Many of you actually have met her. She works at the front desk at our window there and greets the customers, takes registrations, answers the phones, and pretty much everything else and runs to the department. Maria, it's very fortunate that we have her because she's been a resident since 2006. So she lives right here in Sausalito. She also knows a lot of the people in town and you may recognize her. We stole her from Chase Bank. So if you're wondering where you knew her from before, she might have been your banker there. And we've actually had people come in to our office just to say hello, and they miss her at the bank. So it's very nice that we have here. Maria has a degree from Cal State Hayward in criminal justice and is fluent in Spanish. Now, Bill, that doesn't mean you can steal her. We want her for our department. She's an avid runner and competes in two half marathons a year. She's also the owner of two rescue dogs. So Maria Hernandez. |
| 00:26:49.11 | Jonathon Goldman | Welcome, Maria. |
| 00:26:54.23 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:26:57.53 | Unknown | She's shy in front of the microphone, but if you come down to the office, she's not. Well, I like that people are kind of making deposits at their rec window, too. |
| 00:27:04.97 | Jonathon Goldman | . |
| 00:27:05.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:05.36 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:05.38 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm not. |
| 00:27:05.40 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:27:05.57 | Jonathon Goldman | Good news. |
| 00:27:05.63 | Unknown | Good news. |
| 00:27:09.99 | Jonathon Goldman | Next up we have introduction of administrative aid by Susan Patterson. |
| 00:27:21.06 | Unknown | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members. I'm thrilled to introduce you to our latest hire, Kile Pile, who was hired December 31st of the end of last year. We had the opportunity of working with Kile in community development. She actually worked for us for six months on a temporary basis, filling in while we had an employee out on maternity leave. So she did such a great job. We snagged her over in admin and finance, and she's now working with us. So Kile. was born in Estonia. She's been here for 10 years and she speaks four languages. |
| 00:27:58.55 | Unknown | to say. you |
| 00:28:01.78 | Unknown | Sorry, Maria. |
| 00:28:02.05 | Unknown | Sorry, Maria. A little competition. |
| 00:28:05.32 | Unknown | No, we'll just all share. Anyway, we're very welcome to have her here. She has also done many different jobs from being a flight attendant to working as a bank branch manager. But then she found her passion, and her passion is politics. She has a bachelor's degree in political science and is currently working on her master's degree. When I asked her what were thoughts about working here, she said the city of Sausalito is her first government job. She loves it here, loves the people, the neighborhood, the challenges of the work, and the accomplishments that she's able to contribute to every day. Kile pile. Thank you. |
| 00:28:47.69 | Kile Pile | I just want to say thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, council members, just for giving me this opportunity. And I want to come here and shake your hand. Thank you. |
| 00:28:55.20 | Unknown | Great. |
| 00:29:00.86 | Kile Pile | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:29:06.85 | Unknown | I'm... Thank you. |
| 00:29:10.10 | Jonathon Goldman | And to keep up this great display of talent that we have coming into our offices, Permit to Introduction of Permit Technician, Megan Lockett. by Jonathan Goldman. |
| 00:29:20.46 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council and staff, and assembled members of the community. I have the great pleasure to introduce Megan Lockett, who we're actually incredibly fortunate. Kenneth Henry is who let us know that she was available. And when we contacted her, she was interested in working here. We had the opportunity to bring her on in an interim capacity after Honor Resenjan left. And she keeps coming back to work and continues to learn and be incredibly productive. So it's an honor to introduce her. She's from Nevada. She has a bachelor's degree in psychology from Sonoma State. So actually if you add these three recent hires up, we're actually in very good shape. Psychology is the appropriate degree for my department, I guarantee you. |
| 00:30:17.81 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:30:19.48 | Jonathon Goldman | And she has several years of administrative experience, including three working for the town of San Anselmo in public works and building. And I know she's excited to be here, but I'll encourage her to say so herself if she wants to. |
| 00:30:33.70 | Megan Lockett | Thank you for the opportunity, oops. And I am excited to be a part of the team in Sausalito. So thank you. |
| 00:30:39.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:30:40.18 | Megan Lockett | Thank you. |
| 00:30:54.14 | Jonathon Goldman | All right, we're in good hands going forward. Thank you all for those presentations. Next up we have communications public communications this is the time for the city council to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda except in very limited situations state law precludes the council from taking action. on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda however the Council may refer matters not on the agenda to city staff or direct them direct that subject to be agendas for future meeting please make sure you have completed a speaker's card and turn it to the city clerk I have one I remind everybody you have 3 minutes no more I have 2 cards first up I'm going to I have 3 cards up this is on the agenda item. OK. So Judy Ann, I'm going to call you up as part of communications. I know you have something that you want to say, and the letter has been received. So come on up, please. |
| 00:31:53.37 | Judy | Thank you. |
| 00:31:55.06 | Jonathon Goldman | You have three minutes, thanks. |
| 00:31:55.16 | Judy | three minutes. Thanks. Mayor Burns, Council members and staff. I am Judy and I'm in a trustee of the Sausalito Library. Incidentally, our library received a 90% favorability rating by citizens very recently last year. Tonight, I'm publicly commenting regarding the trustees' acknowledgment of our library director. Adam Chambers. Do you want me to start again? No. I usually have a pretty loud voice. |
| 00:32:25.48 | Kile Pile | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:32:25.70 | Dave Frisberg | Yeah. |
| 00:32:26.87 | Judy | In your packet for tonight's meeting, you've received a copy of a letter that the trustees sent to Adam Polixer expressing the trustees' regard for Abbott. I believe you will appreciate our assessment. However, I want to mention just a few of his many skills. |
| 00:32:48.94 | Judy | Abbott is a builder. He builds community. He builds relationships. He builds websites. He builds massive wooden structures. He builds collections and he builds trust. Abbott also mentors, creates, collaborates, and guides. And he is an all-around great guy Please join me in acknowledging our stellar librarian, Abbott Chambers, for a job well done. |
| 00:33:26.13 | Judy | Thank you. |
| 00:33:26.52 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. That's great. Jeff Jacobs. |
| 00:33:29.07 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 00:33:34.13 | Jeff Jacobs | Hello, Mr. Mayor, City Council, City workers and citizens. It's great to be here tonight. I'm gonna come with a quickie Torah portion. IT'S FROM YITRO, WHICH IS JETHRO. Exodus chapter 18. |
| 00:33:58.30 | Jeff Jacobs | It came about on the next day that Moses sat down to judge the people. The people stood before Moses from the morning until evening. When Moses' father-in-law saw what he was doing, To the people, he said, what is this thing that you are doing to the people? Why do you sit by yourself while all the people stand before you? from morning until evening. If any of them has a case, he comes to me. I judge between a man and his neighbor, Moses says. I make known the statutes of God. Moses' father-in-law said to the prophet Moses, the thing you do is not Good. You need help. Choose out of the entire nation men of substance, jaw-fearers, men of truth who hate monetary gains. Minute 43, I'm sorry Jill Hoffman is not here. This is form 700. It's, Public document statement of economic interest that is required to be filed for positions in California. I attempted to run for city council I got the signatures. I paid the money. Ray saw me in front of Ray Withy saw me in front of Molly Stone's restaurant and he said, are you a resident? I figured there's gonna be trouble. There was. I was not allowed to run. When there is no competition, when there are two seats and only two people are running, There's a chance for people to try and cut corners. Jill Hoffman. put on her Form 700 that she had no assets, no income for her or her husband, no rentals, no stocks, and no bonds. It seems to me that's slightly impossible. She's been gone now for two weeks. I sent her an email first without using her name and asked her to respond and she did not. She has been the closest to the Anchorage in lots of ways, a sailor who sailed on oceans, a member of JAG who's been an attorney for the Navy, and yet, In listening to her, she's been the most negative towards the Anchorage. I want to be supportive and I want to be real. This is the issue on a local, state, and national level. Conflict of interest when it comes to money. So I will be pursuing this. Thank you very much for your time. |
| 00:36:34.83 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Chad, just confirming, you are for this open communications? |
| 00:36:39.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:39.52 | Jeff Jacobs | Yes. |
| 00:36:39.77 | Unknown | It's short, very short. |
| 00:36:40.68 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:36:43.57 | Chad Carvey | Yes, my name is Chad Carvey, and I really hope we have enough time later to have the Anchor Outs have a voice in responding to the reports that are going to be shared later on. So I'll try to avoid a direct... comment on those until we get there. Because we're very concerned. My wife and I were working this week up in Tahoe, and so we drove down because we're so concerned about what appears to be a change in direction that the city is taking against the anchor outs, and it's very troublesome to us. But one of the big things, I just wanted to say, make one point right now. In developing the waterfront plan, in the meetings that have been held over the last two or three years, Who have been the players? RBRA, city of Sausalito, La... You are on the item that we're gonna discuss. This is a general question about the plan in general, not about the specifics of the police report. |
| 00:37:23.56 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 00:37:27.82 | Jonathon Goldman | I understand what it is. |
| 00:37:32.10 | Chad Carvey | General comment. Really quick. About the waterfront, yes. So, and that is this, RBRA, the sheriff, local police, everybody is on that, and even an outside bird preservation organization called Audubon is on that committee. Not a single anchor out, no voice. No voice from the people who are impacted most from the waterfront plans, none. Not a single anchor out has been given any input or any voice or any right to be at those meetings. They would have outside bird, |
| 00:37:33.70 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:38:01.67 | Chad Carvey | rescue organizations on, but not our own people. And I think we should really let that sink in. Thank you. |
| 00:38:07.39 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Any other public comment? Seeing none closing public comment. Moving on to action minutes of the previous meeting. |
| 00:38:22.68 | Unknown | I didn't see any minutes attached. |
| 00:38:22.84 | Jonathon Goldman | motion? |
| 00:38:27.55 | Unknown | What? |
| 00:38:27.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:38:30.64 | Unknown | I they came in as late mail. I've not had an opportunity. |
| 00:38:33.51 | Jonathon Goldman | We'll hold the vote until next week next meeting. |
| 00:38:39.60 | Unknown | And they're not on I legislate. |
| 00:38:42.84 | Jonathon Goldman | They might have just been up to update it, but. |
| 00:38:46.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:38:46.77 | Unknown | I did send you an email. |
| 00:38:49.42 | Jonathon Goldman | Seeing none, action meetings. Moving on to council member committee reports. We'd like to go first. Jones. |
| 00:38:58.69 | Unknown | Several things. I've attached to your packet as late mail some emails that I received from the MCC-MC Legislative Committee regarding a meeting that we'll be having this Friday to discuss upcoming legislation. legislation and also we will have a special guest Mike McGuire to go over his two housing bills that he's proposing and there are tear sheets about those we will have a special guest, Mike McGuire, to go over his two housing bills that he's proposing. And there are tear sheets about those bills in your packet. Thank you. We had an RBRA subcommittee meeting last week in which we discussed the upcoming meeting with BCDC on February 21, and you will see in your packet a more comprehensive report from the Chief of Police on that matter. And the GPAC met last Tuesday and got through three of the first, I don't know how many, visioning issues. that the GPAC will be undertaking, including, you know, how should we treat houses. Right now, we require a historic study for every house that's over 50 years old, but every house in Sausalito nearly is over 50 years old. So we talked about some of the visioning in some of those important areas. We got through the first three. We will be scheduling a marinship study session that will be a longer meeting that will probably take place on a weekend so that we can invite members of the public because that's such an important issue for all of us. Those are my committee reports. And of course, anything that the GPAC committee does, is creates recommendations that are then brought to the City Council. So the City Council will see at a later date a more comprehensive list of the recommendations made by the G PAC. on these areas. that they're undertaking visioning for. |
| 00:41:00.89 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay, thank you. Right? |
| 00:41:05.42 | Unknown | Yeah, I'd concur with Council Member Cox on the GPAC. I'll be bringing up later in future agenda items to ask when is the appropriate time for GPAC to report back to the Council. But I agree, we made a lot of progress. Some of us were at the League of California Cities quarterly meeting earlier in the month, in which a presentation was given by staff of MTC on the CASA program. That is the series of programs that MTC are developing, that relate to housing, transportation, et cetera, et cetera. And that was very informative. I would say that, that that particular project remains extremely controversial among the elected officials in the North Bay region. I'll just leave it at that. and the MCCMC Pension Subcommittee drafting group. |
| 00:42:26.27 | Unknown | Draft. Can I just interrupt for one second? So given that we're doing our committee reports at the beginning of the meeting instead of at 11 PM at night, maybe it would be helpful if we all tried to avoid acronyms. |
| 00:42:29.22 | Unknown | Yes, please. |
| 00:42:33.24 | Unknown | instead of. |
| 00:42:37.82 | Unknown | acronyms okay very good. |
| 00:42:39.33 | Unknown | very good sure that not very many people here know what mccmc |
| 00:42:43.39 | Unknown | MCCMC is... |
| 00:42:45.27 | Unknown | And CASA and MTC. |
| 00:42:46.23 | Unknown | Yeah. Well, |
| 00:42:47.97 | Unknown | so we don't know. |
| 00:42:48.98 | Unknown | Good, well then you can help me out because I can't remember what CASA stands for. |
| 00:42:53.37 | Unknown | What are you kidding me? |
| 00:42:54.09 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:42:55.22 | Unknown | Who wants to have a go? So, |
| 00:42:57.62 | Unknown | Sorry I mentioned that. No, that's all right. |
| 00:42:58.33 | Unknown | No, that's all right. MCCMC is the Marin Council of Mayors and Council Members that meets approximately once a month. It's a group of 55 individuals that constitute the City Council Members and Mayors of the 11 cities in Marin County. So it's a very interesting group that gets together. I happen to be president of that organization this year, as it happens. The pension subcommittee was formed back in 2012 and wrote a very interesting report on pensions and the pension issue. We reformulated the committee last year to actually revamp that report, and we're at the drafting stage. We're up to 60 pages and trying to figure out how to bring it down to 30. So anyway, that's a very interesting and I think very important report that MCCMC will be issuing sometime later this year. And I think... That's all that's been going on. |
| 00:44:11.87 | Unknown | I realize I left one out, Joe. |
| 00:44:14.50 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, please. |
| 00:44:14.87 | Unknown | So Councilmember Hoffman is not able to be with us tonight, but she did advise me yesterday that she did attend a meeting convened by Marin County officials to set up and delegate areas for the point in time count. |
| 00:44:34.26 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:44:34.63 | Unknown | And she learned during that process that no Sausalito representative is allowed on the boat that is going out to do the survey in the waters of Sausalito and Richardson Bay. And so she has appealed to the County of Marin that she or at a minimum our part-time police staff, Sage, who goes out every month and does the survey, should be allowed to be a passenger on Bill Price's boat as he goes out with Doug Storms to count the number of people living on boats. So city staff is still working with the county of Marin to figure out a resolution to this issue, but we were encouraged, all of us, to attend these point-in-time counts. So I find it ironic that when we volunteer to attend, we're not allowed to attend. |
| 00:45:42.08 | Jonathon Goldman | The Press. |
| 00:45:43.38 | Unknown | Yeah, so in addition to going to the North Bay League of California Cities with Ray and Jill and learning more about CASA, although I'm still not sure what that acronym stands for. |
| 00:45:55.77 | Unknown | So if I may interrupt, CASA is the committee to house the Bay Area. Which has nothing to do with Casa. |
| 00:46:03.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:03.53 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:46:03.58 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:46:03.60 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:46:03.62 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:46:03.63 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:46:03.67 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. |
| 00:46:04.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:04.19 | Unknown | . |
| 00:46:04.27 | Unknown | that CASA means house. |
| 00:46:05.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:46:05.56 | Unknown | In Spanish, clearly. Okay, great. So I did, as a Sustainability Commission liaison, I attended the last meeting in early January. And one item of note is that the Sustainability Commission, which usually meets, I think it's on the second Thursday of the month, there are some romantics on the commission. And because that's Valentine's Day, we are having our next meeting on February 7th. We did move, the Sustainability Commission moved a plastic straw container and utensil ban forward for consideration of the City Council's Legislative Committee, so that would, if it moves forward, ban the use of single-use plastics for food service and provide some alternatives. We also agreed to have a presentation this coming month by Marin Clean Energy. And Council Member Withy, who is part of that organization what will also hopefully attend and then we're the sustainability commission is moving forward attending the general plan committee meetings and is preparing some recommendations on energy efficiency and energy is since asalito. |
| 00:46:05.74 | Unknown | IN SPANISH. |
| 00:47:27.96 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. I attended this last week the League of California Cities New Mayors and Council Members Conference up in Sacramento. Something I did two years ago when I became a council member, and this time as a new mayor, meeting with other city officials that are both new in their role or new to council altogether. A great training both on meeting and conversing with your counterparts as well as specific platforms and things that the League of California cities is working on. If you don't know the League of California cities is a nonprofit statewide out of Sacramento that represents all of the cities in the state all but two I think and it's a great resource for us both on a staff level on electeds level to get information to lobby on the state side even the federal side. So great event up there for a couple days and learned a lot. On my committees here, I have not attended the library trustees meeting. And I'm sorry about that, Abbott. But it's fallen on some different days. But we did get their report in this agenda. And I just wanted to highlight. Yeah. Yeah. It's Abbot Night. Circulation being up, because that was a challenge last year, and that is effort and hard work. Books up, everything but DVDs, so good job, because I know that that was something that you worked for, and you did it. So, circulation up, that's a wonderful thing. On my association with the MTA, the Marin Telecommunications Agency, we haven't had a meeting that we received information from the executive director that there's a bill from Anna Eshoo, Congressman Eshoo, HR 530, that seeks to reverse the FCC's projection to stop peg fees coming to communities and peg fees are the fees that we get from the vendors a t t comcast that provide basically our our videoing our public access TV those types of things always something that was part of the conditioning for them to use our equipment or our right away that we get something back FCC has been pushing back on that as has those providers. We've just been taking it and finally we have a congressman stepping up with a bill. that we get something back. FCC has been pushing back on that, as has those providers. We've just been taking it, and finally, we have a congressman stepping up with a bill. So we're going to keep our eye on that. Bike and Ped Committee met a couple weeks ago. And an interesting item on that agenda that I encourage you to check out is the Marin County Travel Safety Plan. This is something that was actually done November last year, but it was published in the newspaper as far as items showing some intersections in the county that have high accident rates. We have one here in Sausalito that was noted. I think there's two, but one was Johnson and Bridgeway. A lot of it does. a parallel what we had in our previous check in but this is kind of an addition to that check in as far as circulation safety along our bridgeway corridor. So those are the 3 that I attended. |
| 00:50:41.70 | Unknown | I just I forgot to mention that I did while Joe was in Sacramento on his behalf I did attend the ice house renovation groundbreaking which is going to be a really wonderful addition to downtown so great work by the Sassolito historic society. |
| 00:50:42.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 00:50:59.99 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, great. As you see, we have a lot of construction fences up in Sausalito. It's going to be a beautiful summer when all this is done. We're going to have just an excellent time in our town. So thank you for that committee reports. That, as you saw, is the second time we've done that at this time of the meeting. I really think it's important for the community. I'm so glad that there's many of you here to hear what we work on outside of this room, that we are involved in state, county, regional committees, associations, and always working on behalf of your city. Next up, we have consent calendars. |
| 00:51:30.79 | Unknown | Thank you. to these guys for their letter. |
| 00:51:33.56 | Jonathon Goldman | do it now. |
| 00:51:37.13 | Jonathon Goldman | Um, |
| 00:51:38.67 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, I have to recuse myself from item 5.3. H. So I would simply request two separate motions. And I sent in a letter regarding item 5F. with some requested revisions for that. |
| 00:52:04.71 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, let's talk about those. Susan, did you have that as well? Do you want to comment that? |
| 00:52:09.45 | Unknown | Yeah. So I actually reviewed Jones requests and I can make those dates work in April and the change. in July, but I will not be here for the June 25th, I think it's 25th meeting. Sorry, I'm looking for the calendar. So if there's any way to reschedule that, I would appreciate it. |
| 00:52:36.08 | Jonathon Goldman | Did you have any changes? |
| 00:52:39.47 | Unknown | Is it April 16 and 20? |
| 00:52:40.97 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:52:41.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:52:41.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:52:41.44 | Unknown | Thank you. Yep. |
| 00:52:43.96 | Jonathon Goldman | So April 16 and 20, you say? |
| 00:52:45.63 | Unknown | No it's April 16th and April 30th was Jones recommendation. from |
| 00:52:52.73 | Unknown | instead of April 9 and |
| 00:52:59.38 | Unknown | April. Instead of April 9 and April 23, it's April 16 and April 30. And then in June, Right now we are scheduled for June 11 and June 25. |
| 00:53:20.12 | Unknown | We have a meeting on May 28th So if we do June 4, we would have around two and |
| 00:53:31.02 | Unknown | I'm sorry. Thank you. |
| 00:53:31.95 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 00:53:32.03 | Unknown | Yeah, I didn't have a solution. |
| 00:53:34.23 | Unknown | Right. I think staff probably needs to work on that. Yeah. Because the June 25th meeting would be the meeting in which we approve next year's budget. |
| 00:53:37.72 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:53:37.99 | Dave Frisberg | Thank you. |
| 00:53:46.99 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, that's heavy budget meeting time. |
| 00:53:50.82 | Unknown | Well, then is it? Do we want to at least try to move that to June 18th since Susan is absolutely unavailable in June 25th? |
| 00:54:01.23 | Unknown | Yeah, we could do two in a row, the 11th and the 18th. Thank you. |
| 00:54:03.96 | Unknown | temporarily until staff comes up with a different proposed solution. |
| 00:54:09.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:11.12 | Unknown | Because we can always do a special council meeting somewhere there to do the budget if we need to. |
| 00:54:14.41 | Unknown | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 00:54:16.23 | Unknown | Yeah. So but we're not going to work that out right now on the diocese, is the point. |
| 00:54:20.09 | Unknown | So for the mo, to summarize, the changes to the consent calendar item regarding the City Council schedule is to change the April calendar to meet on April 16 and April 30. and to change the June calendar to meet on June 11 and June 18. |
| 00:54:43.16 | Unknown | And then you had the July. |
| 00:54:44.89 | Unknown | Oh, and also to change the date in July from July 9 to July 16. |
| 00:54:49.59 | Unknown | John. |
| 00:54:57.64 | Jonathon Goldman | Do you want to make those changes and come back on another consent? |
| 00:55:00.58 | Unknown | I don't think it's necessary. We're giving direction to staff. So I move approval. Oh, you want to take public comment first. |
| 00:55:02.01 | Jonathon Goldman | Are we good? |
| 00:55:06.60 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. So, We're not going to take public comment on consent items 5 a through 5 I was there any public comment at |
| 00:55:16.73 | Unknown | Except, oh, right, sorry. |
| 00:55:18.97 | Jonathon Goldman | Sir any public comment on the consent seeing something coming our way. Jeff Jacob on 5D. Go ahead, Jeff. |
| 00:55:30.43 | Jeff Jacobs | Hello again, city council and Mr. Mayor. Uh, A man named Karyo from the Miwoks was the reason given why it took so long to put a fence around Dunphy Park. I guess the wall hasn't gone up. on the border yet. But the one place that The Anchorage got water. AND MET. even was able to plug in their hot plates at the gazebo was fenced off in A very quick day. I had talked about what would happen to the trees, with Jonathan Goldman. And I was told that A number of them would be allowed. to stay. Instead, all but three are gone. There's two olive trees. One looks very sad, the big one. The avocado tree? has been two thirds Cut down. One third is left. I don't know if there's any avocados on it, |
| 00:56:41.74 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm not always honest. |
| 00:56:43.01 | Jeff Jacobs | Yesterday, Jonathan was to Beshvat, Sorry for being a day late, that's the New Year's for the trees. It's traditionally a time for Israelites, like ourselves, to plant trees. not to take them down and endanger them. Mr. That's not really going to wait. I was able to go inside and save a few cutting boards that were taken from the eucalyptus. Cutting board widths of the eucalyptus trees, shared them with people, and I was told not to do that again. |
| 00:57:17.96 | Jeff Jacobs | $2.2 million at interest from Eastern Banks is paying for this. If you look on Nextdoor for the comments on what people think about what's happened at Dunphy Park, you're not going to find very much positive. 64 parking places are what is being discussed, new ones, at least eight public, From Napa to B Street, one block, And then half of the park. We'll be parking. There will be pavement around the perimeter. |
| 00:57:52.47 | Jeff Jacobs | I don't think it is necessary to pave every green area to enable cars, and Galilee already has many parking places, to be able to roam at will. I understand ADA compliance. But the Grand Canyon does not have pavement all the way down to the bottom so people in wheelchairs can make it there. The area south of Dunphy Park now is renamed Anchor Out Park. On Fridays, in the mornings lori lynn with marin city's help shows up on saturdays at 4 p.m i am there |
| 00:58:30.81 | Jonathon Goldman | Thanks Jeff. Any other public comment on consent items? Seeing none closing public comment bringing it back up here for a motion. |
| 00:58:38.13 | Unknown | I move approval of items 5A through 5E, 5F as amended, 5G, and 5I. |
| 00:58:46.75 | Unknown | And |
| 00:58:48.41 | Jonathon Goldman | All in favor? Aye. You have to call the roll. Yeah, we do have to call the roll, sorry. |
| 00:58:49.47 | Unknown | Aye. |
| 00:58:55.97 | Unknown | The Press. |
| 00:58:58.47 | Unknown | Councilmember Cox. Recusing. Council member Hoffman? No. No, you're not. |
| 00:59:04.98 | Unknown | No, you're not accusing us. Oh, yes, sorry, I'm recusing on the next one, yes. |
| 00:59:11.46 | Unknown | Councilmember Whitley? Vice Mayor. Cleveland Knowles? Yes. |
| 00:59:18.21 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:59:18.53 | Unknown | you Mayor Burns. |
| 00:59:19.80 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, that passes 4-0. Now on 5 H. |
| 00:59:24.96 | Unknown | I move adoption of consent calendar 5H. |
| 00:59:27.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:59:28.94 | Unknown | Roll call, please. |
| 00:59:29.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:59:31.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:59:31.20 | Unknown | Council member Cox. Recuse. Council Member Withey? Yes. Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles? Yes. |
| 00:59:37.06 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:59:37.45 | Unknown | Mayor Burns. |
| 00:59:38.71 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. |
| 00:59:38.95 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:59:39.03 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 00:59:39.05 | Unknown | . |
| 00:59:39.42 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Thank you for that. That passed 3-0 with a recusal. |
| 00:59:48.31 | Jonathon Goldman | We are now up to our Business items. Am I correct? |
| 00:59:55.30 | Unknown | Yeah, 7A. |
| 00:59:56.65 | Jonathon Goldman | All right. |
| 00:59:56.97 | Unknown | to the next episode. |
| 00:59:57.04 | Jonathon Goldman | All right. One minute's off. First up. Thank you all. First up, item 7A, Waterfront Management Group update and requested path forward. Chief of police John Roarbecker and lieutenant bill frost. |
| 01:00:38.67 | Jonathon Goldman | Any other public comment on this item go ahead and please fill out a green slip if you have an idea of what you're going to say at this point. |
| 01:00:48.88 | Unknown | Good evening, Mayor and Vice Mayor, members of the council. So I have a little bit of work to do with you tonight, but I want to start with actually the end. And so you can see what we're working toward. And I'll put these slides up again at the end so that you can consider them for your motions. What we're trying to work on tonight is one, I'd like you to receive and file the entire presentation. Thank you. I'm hopeful that you will approve the specific materials that we're going to present to the BCDC enforcement group members in February on the 21st, and we're going to go through those. Hoping that you're going to approve some level of financial participation in the separate bath metric and eelgrass surveys to be conducted in conjunction with the mooring feasibility study by RBRA. Actually, the consultants doing the studies. |
| 01:01:42.61 | Unknown | And I'm hoping that you will consider approval of a modification of our occupied vessel component of our city waterfront management plan priorities, the phase four. So we're... suggesting or recommending that you approve a modification We're going to talk about it later, but We're looking for a change that will allow us to do immediate enforcement of our 72 hour ordinance on any new occupied boats entering our waters. Again, I'm providing more detail later. And then also to consider that we're asking for Deferred enforcement of occupied votes already on our waters. Amen. We want to enable that our numbers be reduced through attrition and through county social relocation efforts with county health and human services, housing vouchers and our own live-aboard parameters. So that's what we're going to work toward. So I'll put those back up. And speaking. |
| 01:02:48.27 | Unknown | Go back to the slides. |
| 01:03:12.33 | Unknown | So you should have in your packet my staff report that it provides a lot of background. I'm going to use some of that material and then we're going to walk through the slides to kind of go together. There's pieces of the second and third and fourth items on the slide. recommended motions that are not necessarily covered by these slides. However, before I begin, Mayor, if I may, I'd like to introduce two members that are in our audience that are part of our working group. Yes, please. Marty Winters here. He's council member for the city of Belvedere. He serves as the chair of the Richardson Bay Regional Agency. Hello, Marty. And then Beth Pollard is here and she is the executive director for the Richardson Bay Region Agency and I welcome them here tonight. |
| 01:03:52.51 | Callan Damon | I bet. |
| 01:03:54.89 | Unknown | And thank you for that. So we have a what we now are calling our large working group that has met twice in the last three or four months and grown from smaller working group numbers. This time now we're including members of BCDC, the Bay Conservation Development Commission, The overall goal is to get before the BCDC Enforcement Committee on February 21st. So we've had two meetings already with them participating, and we have one more meeting scheduled. We've put together some material, about 25 slides for you to look at. But what you're looking at is what we hope to present to them. so that it's open for your suggestions or changes or recommendations but finally for your approval to use this material at our Enforcement Committee meeting with BCDC on February 21st. |
| 01:05:10.47 | Unknown | I'm sure it's just like chief of police error here. |
| 01:05:26.61 | Unknown | Clearly, I made it angry because it wants me to reboot, but I don't think that's going to happen. |
| 01:05:31.20 | Jonathon Goldman | I used to just do this with my finger. |
| 01:05:33.83 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 01:05:34.27 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:05:34.35 | Dave Frisberg | Thank you. |
| 01:05:36.02 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 01:05:44.92 | Unknown | I even came early in practice. That was my mistake. |
| 01:05:50.22 | Unknown | There's another one. |
| 01:05:50.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:05:51.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:05:56.02 | Unknown | I haven't read that either. |
| 01:06:20.29 | Dave Frisberg | I'm trying to put it up in the middle. |
| 01:06:23.78 | Unknown | Appreciate your patience. |
| 01:06:37.18 | Unknown | I think this never happens when Bill does presentations, huh? |
| 01:06:39.47 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, we're all just saying that. |
| 01:06:42.49 | Unknown | That's okay, you can say it louder, I understand. |
| 01:06:45.18 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:06:59.57 | Jonathon Goldman | It's a good demonstration for the community to see how you can access our agendas |
| 01:07:01.04 | Kile Pile | how you feel. |
| 01:07:16.97 | Dave Frisberg | Thank you. |
| 01:07:18.45 | Unknown | Okay. All right, so we're going to go ahead and go to the next slide then, please. So we want to start with a little bit of background. Some of it might be familiar to you, but remember this is a presentation that we're going to make to the BCDC Enforcement Committee. And so part of that background includes that we, the city of Sausalito, withdrew from Richardson Bay back at the beginning of 2017. However, our two agencies continue to collaborate and cooperate with one another regarding handling Richardson Bay and Sausalito waters and that's a very critical component of success with the BCDC they're looking for that and so our subcommittee is comprised of members of City of Sausalito which have been Councilmember Cox and Councilmember Hoffman, myself and City Manager Adam, and then of course RBA represented by Beth and Marty, and also Councilmember Frazier from Tiburon. and BCDC with Brad McCray and Adrian Klein. And then occasionally we've had people from the Audubon show up and help us with some of the eelgrass information. So it's been quite a bit of work and a lot of information shared back and forth. If we go to the next one, it would be great. We, the police department had outlined a plan to increase the enforcement on Sal Cedo waterfront and and gain compliance with our regulations. And so part of that plan was bringing to council the request for approval of new municipal codes, and that was done in June of 2017. I'm not sure. April 2017 and then in June you approved our waterfront management plan. So moving forward from that, we hired part-time people to help us with some of the survey work. You've maybe seen or met Sage Tizak. She's our ArcGIS scientist who helps us with the surveys. And then Mike McKinley who is our licensed boat captain. and help Sage on those surveys. So our plans still call for continued cooperation and partnership between the PD and the Sheriff's Office and Richardson Bay Regional Agency. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE In order to sort of get some issues out of the way, we had some diversions here about settling issues that are out that have been talked about or unsettled and used as and I think that's a good question. in contradiction to what method we were doing. And so we used outside counsel to help us take a look at the Federal Code of Regulations and the actual specific section that says that the other than two exceptions, the Richardson Bay It may be a special anchorage, but only for the ability not to have to display lights or sounds when the boat is at anchor. But otherwise, it's up to local control. And that's been what we've been operating under for many years, but we thought that it would be worth the time and effort to go and get some additional research done And so that's what we did. And there's still going to be, coming forward to you at some other point, a final document about that research and what it shows. But it was an important part of being able to move forward, knowing that we had the proper authority. In between all that and during our meetings, there was a case involving the time. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals hearing a case in Boise, Idaho, and maybe you've maybe heard about it. But it's an Eighth Amendment issue, essentially, the courts are saying it's really not fair to criminalize the need for people to sleep. And we couldn't agree more. It's not right. And so it's never that simple, of course. And there's still rules to be had. processes to go through if an agency or jurisdiction intends to do that. One of them is that there needs to be an alternative for people to sleep inside someplace. rather than outside. And so if there is no place to sleep inside then they're permitted to sleep and it's really that simple. I really don't know much more about what's gonna happen. This was decided in September, and there was some talk that it might go before a larger group of the Court of Appeals, the Ninth Circuit, or that it might even make its way to the Supreme Court. It doesn't really matter right this minute for all of us in law enforcement and municipal government. This is the law. And so that comes into play as we move forward with working with people who are have no place to sleep. |
| 01:12:29.78 | Unknown | So we are just reviewing right now on this slide, again remember this is for BCDC, that we created a list of priorities that we were gonna go after removal of marine debris. We've done quite a bit of that, that we were going to work on the removal of unoccupied boats that are simply using soft-sweat of water for storage. and we've been doing that in the last couple of months. And then we're also, of course, actively enforcing the registration laws, both state and federal. And then lastly, the phase about Removing vessels that are occupied by people who are danger to themselves or others, that's the part that's a little bit more difficult and that's the part where I want to talk about later. that issue about could we modify that a little bit? Because frankly, even though we're bringing it to you now, It's what we're already doing, but you'll hear more from me a little bit later. The other piece about the lower priorities is that There are some occupied vessels in our water that are licensed, registered, and they have some sort of waste disposal contract you and they really aren't. any group that we've been focused on. And so That's just the status quo. But again, we're outlining that for the BCDC. So the staffing that I mentioned earlier, we hired the two top part-time people. Mike McKinley already works for us as our emergency services planner, but it's great to know that he also has a significant amount of other experience as both a pilot and a boat captain licensed by the Coast Guard and does the primary training of our law enforcement officers on our marine boat. But he takes Sage out. i just like to say he's sage's driver frankly and then sage does the work using the collector information to determine what boats are where in our water and we've done several of these already we've done 16 or 17 surveys i say that because i think we're in the slide someplace that says 16 but we just did that one this last weekend And so that data is critical for us, because as I look at deploying the limited resources we have, which are the Marine Patrol officers, is I really like them to know that when they launch the boat and get on the water, they actually have a specific task to do, whether they're looking for a particular boat or a particular mission, not just riding around and without something in particular because the resources are far too valuable for that. So the staffing has worked out well for us and again, that gets information for BCDC. So I mentioned that we did some surveys. 16 is actually probably 17 now. I'm. And the last one on the slide shows November 18. There wasn't one in December, but again, I did one this last weekend. And so there's a lot of information to be gleaned from that. Sage does a great presentation of her own about how she does that work and what all the dots on the map mean. We'll go to the next slide, I think it's on that. No, not yet. Okay, so on the GS mapping, you can go ahead and... It's really phenomenal the amount of data that can be captured, the exact location of the boats, if they've moved. You take pictures of the vessels, its registration information, and any other information we know about the occupants, whether occupied or unoccupied. And so we have some boats that have been in our water since we've been doing surveys and have never moved. And then we have some that come in and out, and then we have some that are brand new. So next slide, please. So that's a little bit of a picture of where the boats tend to congregate. A little bit of that group. We call them group A, B, and C, I believe, but one little bit to the north up by Clipper, and then the one further south is off Tourney Street Basin. Anyway, that's just, again, for illustration. So here is a really important slide for us to show that all the work has been productive. And so when we were doing our first survey in July 2017, there were 74 vessels in Sausalito water. In November, there was 45. I don't know yet what it was on Saturday when they did the survey, but we'll find out. But even right there, that's what, 35%, 40% reduction in the amount of boats in Sausalito. That, information to me THE BEST OF both a Great to see as the results, but also cause for concern, which triggered some of the discussion next about enforcing right away new vessels that come in. Because we didn't do all this work to create parking spaces on the water for new boats to come in wherever they feel like it and occupy our water. And so we're looking for that tool to go after them immediately if they try and move here and take up residence on our water. So again, we'll talk about that later, but having that much of a reduction, means we'd like to have that water clear, not be occupied more and more boats, not doing all this work just for the backfill. And so, anyways, next. Then there are a couple pictures of what the marine debris looks like. I know in lots of Bill's presentations, you see lots of pictures. And I'm sure you know what marine debris looks like. and more of it. and more. Okay, so in the enforcement efforts, let me just look at mine real quick, for It's just again the same summary. We've issued citations for registration violations, debris on the deck. mooring in Dumpy Park waters, which is absolutely forbidden We've passed out many copies of all of our ordinances to everybody. We've had community meetings We have seen the the vessels that were registered and documented YOU KNOW, go up so people are complying because we're going after the violations. Also knowing, though, that some of these boats have trouble in their history and it takes people a little bit longer to get them scored away. And as long as they're making a bona fide effort, then that's fine with us. And again, knowing how aggravating it can be to deal with DMV sometimes, we take that into consideration as well. |
| 01:18:50.14 | Unknown | We have had our annual debris efforts. There's been two. You've heard us talk about that a lot. I don't think we need to spend a lot more time on that tonight. |
| 01:19:00.30 | Unknown | And our mobile shower program so far has been a great success. I believe that you would have gotten a one-way memo from Lieutenant Frost saying that the the rig, the truck and trader was having difficulty with the slope of the driveway at city hall and felt that it was a safety issue so that really was the end of that at least for the moment i don't know how else that would be solved so I THINK I'M GOING TO BE We've moved the second day back to Murnship Park for the moment, I believe, and then we'll bring that back to you some other time. But we just wanted you to know about it earlier than not. |
| 01:19:39.34 | Unknown | Yeah, I don't think we got that communication. |
| 01:19:42.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:19:42.14 | Unknown | it. |
| 01:19:42.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:19:42.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:19:42.88 | Unknown | . |
| 01:19:42.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:19:43.37 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:19:43.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:19:43.62 | Unknown | The one-way memo? It was just a one-way memo from McKenna Frostshound. Just saying that the people from the Downtown Streets team said this is really scary for us trying to use that driveway and we're gonna use Marinship Park. |
| 01:19:43.64 | Unknown | The one-way memo? |
| 01:19:44.57 | Unknown | It was just a wonderful |
| 01:19:45.53 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:19:56.11 | Unknown | So you're going to modify that slide. Thank you. |
| 01:19:58.37 | Unknown | I'm Yeah. The reason we didn't yet is because we didn't come back to you yet for approval of direction from you, the council, for that. So I think there's a process that we have to follow for that. If not, we'll just change the slide. |
| 01:20:11.36 | Unknown | if not, |
| 01:20:12.92 | Jonathon Goldman | THE CHIEF TO MAKE THE |
| 01:20:14.59 | Unknown | We gave the chief, well, it was unclear to each and every council member whether the direction was crystal clear and so I think in an abundance of caution it will come back |
| 01:20:18.82 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:20:23.38 | Unknown | and it will be. |
| 01:20:24.74 | Unknown | I think though tonight we can give direction on some suggested revisions for these slides to have them be 100% accurate. |
| 01:20:35.09 | Unknown | Yes. And that's what we're looking for is your feedback on these slides. And so that one we know is needs, you know, some updating. |
| 01:20:45.82 | Unknown | And we have a little story to tell, of course, about the windstorm in December. We've already talked about that here, I believe. That one was a year ago. That's the one where the boat got impaled on the piling at Pelican. And of course, it was a group effort to try and remove that. And then the more recent one is sadly the most tragic because in that particular day there was one boat that was speech behind Barabache. That got moved out in the water a little bit. But then you heard us talk about that two weeks ago. And then of course, sadly, the, The one man died when that boat capsized, and his female companion was certainly endangered. But there's a lot about that story that we've already covered. So I just want to make sure that we were able to present that to BCDC. So we also want them to hear from us about the overall impacts to other, about public safety related to the waterfront that it's not just us and it requires significantly more work. And, of course, it's a drain on resources sometimes to be able to do all that. And so, again, it's informational material for BCDC. Thank you. And this comes from one of our city surveys. So if you've seen this information, again, we're sharing that. If this is the type of thing you don't want us to have in there, that's what you should be saying a little bit later or more like it or however you want us to present the overall picture to BCDC knowing that we don't have unlimited time and trying to give them a little bit of everything. Go ahead. |
| 01:22:46.24 | Unknown | So that this slide was really confusing to me and this question actually I know we heard this whole survey the results of it at a prior meeting but. Was this the exact phrasing of this question, or at least somewhat concerned about the anchor outside? |
| 01:23:03.62 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:23:03.69 | Unknown | Thank you. I mean, what was that intended to mean? I mean, you could be concerned for anchor outs you could be concerned that there are too many and crowds you could be concerned about a whole lot of things. I didn't actually If I was asked this question, I'm not sure what my answer would be. So does staff have some indication of what information we were trying to get from this? |
| 01:23:26.86 | Unknown | I do not. |
| 01:23:30.23 | Unknown | So I wouldn't present this to BCDC in the sense that I don't even I have no idea what information this question was meant to elicit or what the results show and I think people with very different opinions could have answered this question the exact same way. Just my I don't know if anybody else has that reaction but. I This slide was very confusing to me, and I would be concerned about presenting it as an indication of something to be CDC. when I mean, I know the council didn't, we didn't come up with these questions and most of them were a lot more clearly framed, but |
| 01:24:18.14 | Unknown | All right, so I believe that you as a group will tell me that. |
| 01:24:20.45 | Unknown | Yeah, I just didn't know if we knew what was meant. |
| 01:24:23.27 | Unknown | Whether you want me to take that out or not. |
| 01:24:25.27 | Unknown | Yeah, we can have a discussion later, but I just was asking staff if you or our city manager knew why it was put on there and what it was meant. |
| 01:24:33.82 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, not off the top of my head. This was presented to us back in May, as I remember. There were Layers of questioning. And some of these were the results of those layers rolling up. So off the top of my mind, I can't go back. I'm trying to find the presentation that they gave at the Finance Committee meeting, which is a lot more detail. And then again, the council meeting where they came and presented it. So that is the exact language of the summary. I don't know how it rolled up. I think the intent was an open-ended question to allow the person on the phone to tell us what they're concerned. was they were concerned about the people living on the water, people, the environment, related to the water, I think there was some open-ended questions that rolled up. to to what's there in front of you now. |
| 01:25:26.98 | Unknown | Okay, well if we can find out what the prior questions were and if we have some better context, maybe we can |
| 01:25:32.07 | Jonathon Goldman | I will have that shortly. I'm pulling up. I have their top side information. I'll just look at it quickly. So go ahead, please. |
| 01:25:37.22 | Unknown | Could I just, Chief, good evening. Before you move on, could you just go back to the slide that describes the tragic incident? Okay. So I notice on that when this information was presented to us two weeks ago, I think mention was also made of the fact that one of Southern Marines fire divers and Matt was somewhat injured and had to be dealt with. Is that something that we should put here in this slide? So that's just a question because it's an important issue. We had a fire rescue officer who was injured in the process of this operation. And we are talking about individuals who are a danger to themselves and others. I don't think you can see a more tragic example of that. |
| 01:26:19.46 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 01:26:19.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:19.61 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 01:26:34.02 | Unknown | Yes, we certainly can. |
| 01:26:35.39 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 01:26:36.79 | Unknown | We can do that. |
| 01:26:38.97 | Jeff Jacobs | done. |
| 01:26:45.70 | Unknown | All right, so moving on. So we are also sharing with BCDC the amount of fiscal resources used so far for our collective efforts, that we have grant funds from building and waterways, and that we are using the, that were previously earmarked for our participation in Richardson Bay Regional Agency. And that's all for that slide. This is actually part of one of the other that we want to cover tonight, but it's just given a light touch here. But it's very, very important information to share about the mooring and that there's a study going on and there's more detail about that that I'm gonna talk about. and that We are again reminding BCDC that we absorbed the burden of being the only point of access for everybody on Richardson Bay. And so when we present to BCDC, we want to cover all those different pieces. You've heard us talk about them a lot, but they're all important topics for us. Just to let, I hope you already saw in your late mail, there's some difference of opinion about that from BCDC, I'm sorry, from RBRA. I'm sure if part of the process is they can share that with you, but it's in the late mail for you. Just so I'm sure that you got it. |
| 01:28:27.45 | Unknown | So one of the things that we're doing is asking BCDC to confirm The policy on prohibiting the use of Richardson Bay for housing That's not been absolutely said yet, but it's been certainly talked about a lot at our last two meetings and is certainly very important. would like BCDC to allow us to continue to reduce the anchor out population to attrition, and continue our enforcement efforts. And for us, particularly, about new boats coming into Richardson Bay in our waters. Whatever we're experiencing in Saus Fido water, certainly Arbieri is experiencing on their water. However, we may have different approaches about how we resolve that. So THE FEDERAL We are also asking BCDC to consider that they allow the that we have a live-aboard allocation, at the marinas, we're suggesting to them that that might help that transition for people who are living on the water that would like to come shoreside and frankly need a space to do it. Thank you. And so we've already started that conversation with Brad McCray and Adrian at our meetings. But again, we're presenting this to people who have not heard anything yet that we've had to say. |
| 01:30:02.58 | Unknown | I'm not going to be a second. Can I ask a question on that prior slide? So we did receive correspondence from RBRA on this second bullet. Do you have any response to their concern? |
| 01:30:04.82 | Unknown | So, |
| 01:30:22.19 | Unknown | Mr. Well, Of course. I first want to say is a bit of a not really a disclaimer, but in truth, we're really working together You know, we've said this from the beginning that We're, we're, we're, we're, none of our agencies are individually going to resolve problems that have been occurring or allowed to exist for 20 or 30 years. And so while we, the city of Sausalito took steps to not belong to Arboriaries so we could be more aggressive in enforcing what was a fast growing boat population on our water It doesn't mean that we still don't want to work with RBA in resolving the problems all the way around for all of us. And so while we are pretty focused on enforcement. Their efforts might be a little bit different. They're looking at sort of another approach to it and they can of course speak for themselves, but so I don't say it wrong, But they're investing in a thought that the moorings might help be the answer to controlling the population and having people in fixed spots so that everybody is in a safe, you know, anchoring or mooring and that there might be, you know, at the end of that game some set amount of people or moorings available and that through attrition you know, it could be whittled down like that. I don't know the exact plan. we look at it as a little bit different. We have way too many votes to even start that process because we had so much marine debris. We had so many boats in our water that it would have been nearly impossible to start in that same way. We were talking about a lot less water surface space for the Slauselito water than all the remaining water space that RBRA oversees. And so it's, I can see their approach. I don't necessarily have to agree with that, but I understand what they're trying to do in a different way. And we look at it, though, is how are we measuring success and what are the goals for us that we were already talking about, and that is to try and remove a lot of what ended up in our bay and in our water that all showed up here over the last few years. And so that's, you know, I'm sure that you could get, you know, Marty or Beth to help you understand that from their perspective a little bit, if you want more than what's in the letter. We are really... |
| 01:33:03.01 | Kile Pile | I'm sorry. |
| 01:33:11.07 | Unknown | you know, unabashedly going after enforcement. And it's working for us. You can see the reduction for us reducing the number of boats almost 35 or 40 percent. And most of all, those being marine debris vessels, the large majority of them, and getting them out of the water. But again, we're looking at the, |
| 01:33:14.75 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:33:14.97 | Jonathon Goldman | . |
| 01:33:15.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:15.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:33:15.22 | Unknown | You can see the document. |
| 01:33:32.69 | Unknown | And I think that's the, the, the, the I'm... The boat that came in from and come against the rocks up by Barbacci actually came from County water is just the opposite type of storm rather than going to Tiburon or And, you know, It didn't hit anything else on the way in, Because we think, not 100% of course, certainty, but we made a lot of room. there was a lot less boats floating on the water and the boat made its way in and didn't hit anything else. As I explained to you before at the last meeting, that boat owner is you know, been floated and moved back out. He's in our water now. Lieutenant Frost just met with them and told them, you know, that's not going to be a long-term solution, but right now you're fine, you're safe here, we're good. But we've established communication with him, and he's actually met with Lieutenant Frost. you Thank you. . That's probably to get to your question. |
| 01:34:36.24 | Jonathon Goldman | and I'll be talking about it. |
| 01:34:38.89 | Unknown | Yeah, I just wanted to add one thing from the Waterfront Committee's perspective on this slide. if Sausalito is the only person reducing boats, then they're just gonna go to RBRA. the thought was to continue what has been a cooperative and collaborative effort for both agencies to reduce. Our population is down to 45, but eight of the boats that were in our waters are now in our BR8 waters. |
| 01:35:13.99 | Jonathon Goldman | Correct. There's a question. Thank you. |
| 01:35:16.35 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:35:16.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:16.39 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 01:35:16.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:16.57 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:35:16.62 | Unknown | you |
| 01:35:16.79 | Unknown | And... |
| 01:35:17.03 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:35:17.50 | Unknown | you |
| 01:35:17.55 | Unknown | Yes, I could. Right. And the other is that, you know, you will read and see oftentimes in the Arbya reports that they move a lot of boats out of that water. on a regular basis, but they're experiencing a lot of the same problems that we are trying to prevent and that's that backfill. You know, so in a course of a year, if our barrier is able to move out 75, 80, 90 boats out of Richardson Bay, yet the number doesn't significantly decline. then it looks like then what's the end of that game after year after year? Because people are coming in when they know that there's open water and Thank you. |
| 01:35:57.81 | Jonathon Goldman | I have a follow up on that one as well. Do you want to mention something, though? |
| 01:35:58.29 | Unknown | I'll see you next time. |
| 01:35:58.44 | Adam Politzer | Bye. |
| 01:35:58.59 | Unknown | FALL. |
| 01:36:02.05 | Adam Politzer | Yes, one thing that I think is important to not miss really what this bullet point is for the conversation in front of BCDC and their enforcement. |
| 01:36:09.66 | Jonathon Goldman | Right. |
| 01:36:10.07 | Kile Pile | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:36:11.30 | Adam Politzer | subcommittee is that B.C. D.C. wants to know what our complete plan is in terms of returning the the Richardson Bay to recreational use. And so we're for the first time for folks in our audience to see that staff is recommending for council's support that our plan for folks that are currently living on the water is for them to stay and as they leave through attrition, we would then return the bay to a place for those, for recreational use. And that discussion, if there are permits more than 72 hours that are a week, a month, whatever the duration will happen longer. But we have to share with BCDC based on their request, okay, you have a plan for these categories, what's your plan for those that are currently occupying their boats and living on our waters? |
| 01:37:06.73 | Unknown | Well, if that is, It's just not very clear what this middle bullet is trying to say and if one of the aspects of it is people who are living there. and not causing harm to themselves or others can stay I think that should be made more clearly and then the other points made separately. I mean, that is not clear. TO ME, really from this slide so maybe we can talk about that later but There's a lot packed into that and I think it's confusing. |
| 01:37:44.13 | Jonathon Goldman | I'll ask a question. On this second bullet point, referring back to the letter from RBRA, their concern is with immediate enforcement on new boats coming in. they want to remove the word immediate and looks to be based on the ability to identify. we have the ability to identify. That's not an issue for us, correct? |
| 01:38:10.05 | Unknown | That's correct. Yeah, we have put a lot of effort into making sure we've got Thank you. you know, verifiable data that we're using to do our enforcement work. So we know a lot. |
| 01:38:22.87 | Jonathon Goldman | So given that we've invested so much time and energy into being able to identify, immediate seems to be appropriate. Because there's no sense waiting. We have the ability to identify if a new boat comes in to our waters. |
| 01:38:37.03 | Unknown | That's our feeling about it, yes, exactly. |
| 01:38:38.89 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:38:47.09 | Jonathon Goldman | Any other questions? Because we are on the question period now. |
| 01:38:50.58 | Unknown | So I don't know how you want to go. I have a few more topics to go through. Oh, I thought I was talking to a little questions. Do you want to take these one by one and when it comes time for motions? I'm not really sure how that part of this works. |
| 01:38:53.70 | Jonathon Goldman | Oh, I thought we were talking to a little questions. |
| 01:38:59.54 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:38:59.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:59.57 | Unknown | for you. |
| 01:38:59.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:59.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:59.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:00.03 | Jonathon Goldman | TO BE ABLE TO |
| 01:39:00.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:03.20 | Unknown | So if I get to my other |
| 01:39:03.32 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 01:39:06.68 | Jonathon Goldman | Are you saying you have more presentation to go? Thank you. |
| 01:39:08.55 | Unknown | Not on slides, but to cover the other parts of our recommendations. So if you put those back up for me, it would be great. |
| 01:39:09.40 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay. |
| 01:39:18.80 | Unknown | I don't really need any slides for the other pieces. I just wanted you to have a look at the slides that we were intending to look at in February 21st. We have one more working meeting locally with all of us in preparation. It'll be our third meeting in preparation of going to San Francisco and meeting with BCDC. So one more meeting to go here. |
| 01:39:23.13 | Jonathon Goldman | I just wanted to... |
| 01:39:26.91 | Jonathon Goldman | We have a lot of people. |
| 01:39:30.49 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay. |
| 01:39:30.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:39:41.69 | Jonathon Goldman | You have one question while he's getting the slide back up. |
| 01:39:44.09 | Unknown | Yeah, so one of the early slides noted the membership of the subcommittee and I think Mr. Carvey already, or maybe it was Jeff already raised this issue. But so why are there no groups of people who are living on the water represented on the subcommittee? |
| 01:40:03.73 | Adam Politzer | was asked and answer that and in company and customer Cox may want to expand this was a working group committee and at the time air Cox invited members of our bureau a to join us so that we can start a communication, improve our communications with one another. And we invited the Audubon Society to attend one meeting with representatives of B.C.D.C. The request came from R.B.R.A. that we reduce the number of people in the room and the groups to just be R.B.R.A. in the city. And so the sheriff's office, R.B.R.A., Sassu PD, and our two elected officials have been meeting regularly and obviously include more recently BCDC at those meetings as we prepare to come before them. So Audubon Society was asked to come specifically because they had earlier in the spring presented a study to our BRA and then we later asked Audubon to give us the same study and the mayor at the time thought that it was important that we were all in the same room. to make sure we heard the same results of those studies. because our BRA heard it at their meeting without us participating. And the city heard it at our meeting really without RBA participating. So it's a working group committee to strengthen our communication and to work on joint projects where we are aligned. |
| 01:41:47.41 | Unknown | Okay, so on the slide, just to note, Audubon is listed as a member. So. |
| 01:41:54.06 | Unknown | Yeah, we can take that off, but Audubon met with us at the working group almost a year ago. Now it's, well not really that long, May of 2018, when they came to our working group meeting, but they've not been back since. And then they came to the city council, TO BE ABLE present the same material that was presented at RBRA and then to the working group. And they did that on July 31. And so that's been the end of the Audubon presentations. So I can take them off. So, I... What do you think? |
| 01:42:24.49 | Adam Politzer | It may be worth noting, and I know that the executive director for R.B.R.A. can make this comment, |
| 01:42:35.02 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:42:35.03 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. later, but the RBA does have a standing agenda item and subcommittee that is working with members of the waterfront. And so there is the ability for RBA to report that to us in our meetings based on their interests. |
| 01:42:55.56 | Unknown | And can I ask one follow-up on that? Mr. Mayor. Oh, yes, sorry. |
| 01:43:00.94 | Adam Politzer | Oh. |
| 01:43:01.02 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:43:01.51 | Unknown | Chief, is there value in communicating to BCDC the various groups that the Waterfront Committee has met with in an effort to identify a collaborative strategy moving forward? |
| 01:43:15.72 | Unknown | I believe so. It's the difference is the slides are for the enforcement committee who we've not met with yet. Yet we've had BCDC in the room meeting with us, helping us get to that point. And so we're going off the thought that they're not going to know much. And so we're trying to give them the broadest picture possible, but with enough details so they could see that we're really rolled up our sleeves, all of us, and have been doing some work. and trying to make some progress. |
| 01:43:48.86 | Jonathon Goldman | So sounds like we just going to work work on the wording when we get to this item of subcommittee comprised of members that met multiple times we might just change that wording on this bullet when we get to that. |
| 01:43:53.25 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:43:53.56 | Dave Frisberg | Thank you. |
| 01:43:59.44 | Dave Frisberg | Sure. |
| 01:44:01.10 | Jonathon Goldman | Sound good. |
| 01:44:01.91 | Unknown | Great. |
| 01:44:05.23 | Unknown | Okay, so that's what so far was our first draft of the presentation materials to show to the BCDC Enforcement Group. The next item is all really combined in a way that, again, that came up at our last working group meeting that Beth told us the results. Well, of course, came up actually a couple of meetings before that, even when she mentioned that they were going to be doing a moving feasibility. So they asked us if we, the city of Sausalito, would like to be included in that study and at no cost, no specific, participation costs to us. It looked like it was going to be about a $100,000 study, and it turned out to be a couple of dollars short of that. And as I understand, it was funded by the county of Marin going forward. And so the consultant that gave that Price and the presentation, Merkle and Associates, I think is the company name. suggested that there's a lot of value in doing a bathymetric study survey and a neograss survey at the same time And it would be a lot less money to have that done in conjunction with the Mooring Feasibility Study. And as RBR already went out and was able to get $100,000, they're looking for other participation in the $40,000 it would take to pay for the two extra studies. So we seem to be interested, but it's not a given deal whether we will I think it's a very important question. one or both of the auto bonds to help pay. And again, they probably all don't have a lot of money, And Brad McCray from BCDC said he was going to look at some type of maybe some mitigation funds that have been set aside that could be used also you know, somehow reducing that $40,000 number And then looking at would the remaining you know, four members of three members of our VA area and us be willing to put some money in that pot to equal forty thousand dollars so we don't have an exact number yet because we don't have a report back yet on how much other money has been raised But it sure seemed like it made a lot of sense that if we're going to be doing this much work, it didn't cost us anything yet, and we're getting the benefit of a $100,000 study for our part of Sausalito Waters, then it seems like we should look at some participation here. But again, that's a financial decision for you to tell us. whether you'll approve any or part of that. All right, so if you have questions about that. You know, again, Beth and- Any further questions on that item? |
| 01:47:08.53 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 01:47:09.03 | Unknown | I'm sorry. So quickly, I am wondering if we've heard back yet about any amounts Tiburon and Belvedere planned to contribute. And also, if we were to contribute, where would the money come from? |
| 01:47:22.21 | Unknown | So I'm sure that's part of this discussion, but I don't have any information for you about it. |
| 01:47:28.26 | Unknown | Great. |
| 01:47:31.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:31.11 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:47:31.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:31.31 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:47:32.63 | Unknown | displaying my complete ignorance here. Could someone explain what a bathymetric study is? |
| 01:47:41.18 | Unknown | Yes. Thank you. |
| 01:47:42.52 | Unknown | I have to look at it. |
| 01:47:43.16 | Unknown | I understand the word. |
| 01:47:43.34 | Unknown | in. |
| 01:47:43.81 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:47:44.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:45.28 | Unknown | Yeah, so unless I'm the only non-Mariner in the room that had to look it up. But it appears to be the study of the depth and contours of the ocean floor. And so it provides that information. So I'm not bashful to say I didn't know. |
| 01:47:57.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:02.09 | Unknown | day. |
| 01:48:02.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:02.68 | Jonathon Goldman | All right, anything else for us? This, okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay, questions. Good. I'm gonna open up to public comment then. And I have. |
| 01:48:05.75 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:48:11.68 | Unknown | Can I have the last, the other part about the, I was just asking you for your procedure. Do you want to hear the other part about the, Phase four, the two parts. Yes, yes, I'm sorry. You do have one. OK. OK. Yeah, please. I misunderstood your question. So just change this slide one time. Oh, I can do it myself? Are you sure? |
| 01:48:20.55 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. Sorry, you do have more. OK. |
| 01:48:37.53 | Unknown | I'll be sorry. |
| 01:48:45.20 | Unknown | All right, thanks. No, it's probably me, Rhett, sorry. So this is... I'm looking for council discussion approval thoughts on this. You heard me say already, I really am concerned about the open water backfill. And I don't think we should permit it. We've put a lot of work into creating that. that open water and I don't want to see people coming back in and you know establishing residents on the space that we created it just counter purposes for what we're trying to do and it's not really we haven't done it yet on new people and but we're watching because if you remember a little bit about some of the reports that lieutenant frost gave about the surveys where for instance when we were doing night we had 94 our boats were down to 45. But we had a couple of I remember a little bit about some of the reports that Lieutenant Frost gave about the surveys where for instance when we were doing, we had 94 boats, we're down to 45. But we had a couple of counts where we were, let's say, at 78 and the reduction of, let's say, just make up a number, 15, But in fact, eight were new boats of the remaining 75. And so we were looking at a decreasing number, but not as good as it could have been because new boats were backfilling. So we've been watching that trend, and that's what's driving my initial request here for approval to add that to our two-part now piece of phase four and go after the boats that are just showing up and establishing, hoping to establish residency on the water. The other piece is something that we're largely already doing. You know, we've been telling people that you know, if you're already an occupied boat, on Salt Street of Water and you're registered and have some kind of a waste contract and, that you're not on our top ten list here. We're just we have other things to do with our resources and Currently, with all this work that we're doing, Adam and I are both on a a Marin Jurisdictions Homeless Committee working with Health and Human Services and a lot of other partners trying to find some housing solutions, and not that it's easy. But I think you've seen another document that's come out that there's been four or five relocations have occurred. And it's a little bit undefined because the people from Health and Human Services don't want to tell us who they are is because of privacy. And I respect that. So when we just ask, can you tell us there's anybody's actually successfully willingly relocated. And the initial answers were no, but as their whole project has gained some steam, then we have seen that the answer now at the last meeting we went to changed to, there has been five. Where exactly they came from, we don't know. It's not actually all that important to know. It's just good to know that there's been some success and you know, wanted to be relocated. And so I think that's great. But. You know, our, And I don't have a timeline for how long this might take. because there's something possible to determine, I'd really like to focus on stopping new boats from coming in. Yeah. Let's ask a really quick question. |
| 01:52:16.21 | Unknown | Yeah, just so this says approve a modification to phase four. |
| 01:52:19.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:52:20.02 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:52:20.07 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:52:20.43 | Unknown | So I understand number one. I do not understand. Can you explain what the change |
| 01:52:20.50 | Unknown | That's it. |
| 01:52:21.07 | Unknown | understand. |
| 01:52:27.53 | Unknown | is a number two? |
| 01:52:28.41 | Unknown | And number two? Well, sure. So we have been telling people verbally, but not in an official way that- |
| 01:52:33.93 | Unknown | What have you? |
| 01:52:34.65 | Unknown | That, pardon me? |
| 01:52:36.76 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:52:37.10 | Unknown | Thank you. that are living on the water in Saucido now, the Saucido anchor outs, that as long as they have registered boats and they have a waste contract, but they're really, we're not going after them. And we haven't been. And that's been as an order of priority. We just want to say it out loud now. And rather than have it just be what we've been doing, |
| 01:53:00.52 | Unknown | Our ordinance right now is different from what we've been telling people. Our ordinance right now says Thank you. 72 hours, that's it. |
| 01:53:09.23 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 01:53:09.52 | Unknown | you're prohibited. |
| 01:53:10.56 | Jonathon Goldman | unless you get permission. |
| 01:53:11.09 | Unknown | Right. unless you get permission. So now we're. |
| 01:53:12.84 | Unknown | So now we're, okay, so are we recommending an ordinance change? |
| 01:53:13.84 | Unknown | Thank you. wanting a- No, no, not really. I just want to make it clear rather than sort of a backdoor secret that we're looking at, you know, acknowledging that we're doing deferred enforcement already on occupied boats and have been. And our suggestion now is let's just say that out loud and be upfront about it. And that we're looking for solutions for people that want them. and not necessarily have those people who otherwise aren't a problem for us have to be living in some sort of anxiety state. wondering if we're gonna come knock on their door or their patch or whatever you would call it on a boat. And because that's not what we're trying to do. You guys, you know, this is it's a systematic, approach to try and reduce the numbers. but in no way, shape, or form are we looking to have people that now have some shelter on the water be unsheltered on land. |
| 01:54:17.80 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. Again, I think I agree with that, but this bullet is a little confusing. You think the wording is not very good? Yeah. Anyway, we can talk about that later. All right, let's have public comment. This one stays with us. |
| 01:54:18.13 | Unknown | IT'S A GREAT CASE. Yeah. |
| 01:54:25.64 | Unknown | The President. |
| 01:54:29.32 | Jonathon Goldman | This was a public on this one stays with us. Are we good for public comment. Yeah, great. Thank you for that. All right, so I'm gonna open up to public comment right now and I have, Carolyn Carvey first. I'll remind everybody you have three minutes unless we ask a follow-up question. Carolyn Carvey, Chad Carvey. Marty Winter, Jeff Jacobs. It'll be the lineup. Carolyn. |
| 01:54:54.75 | Carolyn Revell | Hi, thank you. I'm Carolyn Carvey. I asked the residents of Sausalito and its city council that if BCDC confirms that their goal is to allow zero anchor routes on our bay, that you stand with our anchor routes just as RBRA is doing and confirm that you do want this community as long as their boat numbers are reasonable and safe, seaworthy and not a danger to ourselves and others. Having a culture of mariners living within Richardson Bay pays homage to Sausalito's historical maritime charm, but also adds some spice, some unique character and intrigue to the town that has yet to be priced out as our beloved houseboat community has become too expensive for middle income folks, our artist community, and our maritime community to afford. The proposals to increase the percentage of liveaboards and marinas is something that should have been done years ago to provide more affordable housing, but it is not the answer to the issues we face on the Anchorage. Firstly, the marinas in Sausalito have long waiting lists. So even if we increase the numbers allowed as liveaboards, those on the long waiting list would have to be served first. Secondly, even if we were able to skirt around this issue, the marinas in Sausalito are too expensive for 98% of the anchor outs. From the beginning, my husband and I and the Richardson Bay Special Anchorage Association and many Sausalito citizens have been wanting a well-managed anchorage, not a weekend playground solely for the affluent. Sausalito has declared its intention to align itself with BCDC and not allow anyone to live on the anchorage. Why? There are liveaboard communities all throughout California. Why can't we create a well-managed anchorage, a community of responsible mariners and who have one-tenth of the environmental footprint to those on land? Richardson Bay Special Anchorage Association, the main association representing the anchoruts, has been working closely with RBRA, the Richardson Bay Regional Agency, and currently is developing a plan that will allow us to continue the heritage of Anchor Outs, but in a Mariner. but in a manner that is respectable to all parties involved and sustainable as our Marin population grows. The RBRA is making a huge headway for the first time in history and we asked the Sausalito City Council, Sausalito residents and those in Marin helping shape the future of this bay to please join this effort. Sausalito Anchorage are the calmest waters in Richardson Bay. Being the most protected from the wind, waves, the open bay and ferry wake and that's our most suitable for live aboard mariners for not only its more comfortable waters but also its closest proximity to shore. As an anchor out mariner, we enjoy living at sea, rotating with the clock of the wind, a life closely tied to nature, not to shore. It has prepared us and many others over the years for world voyages and afforded mariners to both work and live in Sausalito. We respect the sea and know how to respectfully and safely live within its waters. Please do not support an effort that will be the death to this heritage. It may not be a lifestyle that you understand and one you wish to enjoy, but can you not see the beauty in it through these mariners' eyes? I respectfully plead for I respectfully plead with you to preserve this heritage for the future generations to enjoy and to surely bring as much joy as my time on this bay has given me. My dream is to return after our long voyage around the world to where it has begun, to a little piece of heaven on the Sausalito Anchorage that my husband and I can call home. Thank you. |
| 01:58:09.67 | Kile Pile | Great. No. |
| 01:58:18.30 | Jonathon Goldman | THAT MY HANDS OF THEM. Thank you. |
| 01:58:20.83 | Unknown | question for her. |
| 01:58:21.76 | Jonathon Goldman | Got a question. Wait, Carolyn, come back. You got a question. Your five-minute speech in three minutes and 20 seconds has a question. |
| 01:58:23.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:58:24.00 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. |
| 01:58:24.15 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 01:58:24.39 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. |
| 01:58:24.44 | Unknown | you. QUESTION. |
| 01:58:27.56 | Carolyn Revell | for me. |
| 01:58:27.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah. You said RBRA is developing a plan to allow mariners in its waters to remain on the water. |
| 01:58:36.20 | Carolyn Revell | Yeah, that's the hope. |
| 01:58:38.38 | Unknown | Okay, so you- |
| 01:58:38.41 | Carolyn Revell | Right, through working with several different agencies to come up with a sustainable plan. |
| 01:58:43.39 | Unknown | So as of today, RBRA is not working with you to allow you to remain permanently on the water. |
| 01:58:50.24 | Carolyn Revell | Yes, they are. They are. They definitely are. |
| 01:58:52.60 | Unknown | Okay, in what forum? |
| 01:58:54.66 | Carolyn Revell | I'm sure they would love to talk to you about that if they haven't. |
| 01:58:58.31 | Unknown | I've attended all of their meetings this year. I've not heard one thing about allowing permanent |
| 01:58:58.48 | Carolyn Revell | I've been 10. thing about allowing permanent tension yes |
| 01:59:03.88 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. |
| 01:59:06.02 | Chad Carvey | Chad, |
| 01:59:06.26 | Jonathon Goldman | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:59:06.49 | Chad Carvey | Thank you. |
| 01:59:06.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:59:08.64 | Chad Carvey | Chad Carvey, also anchor out, and the lesser half of Carolyn. We're getting ready to sail around the world, leaving in June. So we really want to get this safeguarded before we leave. So I'm going to machine gun again for three minutes, because I'm not going to make it. To be clear, anchor outs are not and have never said that the special anchorage must be unregulated. We have never said that. We are urging only reasonable regulation, and all we ask is that you not destroy the Sausalito anchor out community. Anything else, and you will face our absolute resistance. Let's be clear, though. Right now, you're asking BCDC to confirm that their goal is indeed to get rid of all anchor outs on our bay, to annihilate this community that has been on and off for 100 years. You're asking whether they're going to plan to annihilate them or not. If you line up with them instead of standing for this community that is part of our town, then you are telling us, and this needs to be cleared up soon, that you are absolutely steadfastly against us, and there will be no cooperation between the two sides. So let's be clear. The Sausalito police has been so successful in going from about 80 boats to 40 in the Sausalito side of the water, very clearly, number one, besides their hard work, so many of us anchor outs have supported them, urged cooperation, pounded and pounded, that you can be trusted, and that you're only going to remove boats that are unregistered, unsafe, unseaworthy. But a lot of those boats have just moved over to the RBRA side of the water, and it's much more than eight, because many of them did it proactively. B, we have refrained against strong advice from many who do not trust you from raising alarm to bring our supporters of the anchor outs in. And let me tell you, we did a poll on Sausalito Next Door. It is 80 to 85% of the people in this community and the local towns who support anchor outs, at least that many. Many boats, far more than eight, have simply moved across, so it's just delaying that process right now. And there is nothing to stop us. There are many of us who are mobile out there. If this becomes a hard line 72 hours, we can fill the Sausalito side with boats. Of 72 hours, then we'll move, then we'll come back. And we will fill those waters. If it's a war and you're saying that your goal is to annihilate all anchor outs, then there's going to be no cooperation. The chiefs requested the attrition. But the attrition to what? To no anchor outs? We're gonna fight you. But if it's attrition to a reasonable number, right now we live there, it feels like a ghost town. It's gone down to 40. What about the cruising boats that are coming around the world who wanna stay here for a week, two weeks, 72 hours? That is not gonna allow this great, world-renowned cruising area to allow them to stay for more than 72 hours. Your poll, oh, I'm furious about that poll, but it was addressed earlier. The living boards and marinas, I think I actually did most of it. But that poll, it answers nothing because half of those people could be saying, don't mess with the anchor outs. They're concerned about us because they want us to be safe and they want to preserve that community. Thank you so much. |
| 02:02:04.29 | Jonathon Goldman | Marty Winter. |
| 02:02:05.92 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 02:02:16.93 | Unknown | and we'll ask a question. |
| 02:02:17.64 | Marty Winter | Good evening, Mayor Burns, members of the council. I'm Marty Winter. I'm the chair of the RBRA. |
| 02:02:18.65 | Unknown | have |
| 02:02:19.19 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:02:19.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:02:22.77 | Marty Winter | I'm here tonight with Beth Pollard, who's our executive director. Thank you. And we're here. ostensibly to answer some of your questions. We also have some concerns about the language that is contained in your recommendations to BCDC, and specifically with reference to limiting the mooring field, the mooring study, placing a higher bar |
| 02:03:00.78 | Marty Winter | in order to establish the field by requiring a full CEQA analysis, while we view the mooring field as just part of our enforcement action. The RBRA is in charge, or I shouldn't say in charge, but is charged with the health of Richardson Bay. It's not just anchors out or boats that are anchored in the bay, but it's water quality, it's ecology. It's a number of things that we deal with on a monthly basis. And so we really, really need to proceed with a plan that we think that we can enforce on a very large piece of water. The Richardson Bay that we administer is much larger than the waters just off of Sausalito. So I'm sorry for being so halting, but I'm not a great public speaker. And I didn't want to read my letter to you. That would have been a bit trite. So again, I'm here to answer any of your questions. I THINK YOU HAVE ANY. |
| 02:04:21.06 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. I think that's what we're going to do Marty because we appreciate you being here we we don't get to talk to you in this regard so. |
| 02:04:28.06 | Unknown | Okay, so Marty, RBRA supports waters in Richardson Bay. Does Belvedere allow anchor outs in Belvedere waters? |
| 02:04:37.80 | Marty Winter | No, Belvedere has a 72 hour ordinance. |
| 02:04:39.86 | Unknown | Thank you. And does Tiburon allow anchor outs in Tiburon waters? I can't speak for Tiburon. And do any of the anchor outs come ashore in Tiburon and Belvedere? Thank you. |
| 02:04:50.83 | Marty Winter | I don't have personal knowledge of that, but my sense would be no. |
| 02:04:56.29 | Unknown | And we heard earlier from Carolyn Carvey that RBRA is developing a plan to allow mariners in its waters to permanently remain on the water. It's not accurate. Okay, can you clarify what is RBRA's goal with respect to Richardson Bay? Is it, first of all, did BCDC say to you and me and Beth and Jill in a meeting that BCDC has an absolutely zero tolerance policy for living, people living on the water? |
| 02:05:31.34 | Marty Winter | That's correct. That's, but that is part of the McAteer Petrus language that, that was adopted and is part of the special area plan. |
| 02:05:40.24 | Unknown | And for those of us who don't know what that is, |
| 02:05:42.02 | Marty Winter | Can you say what that- The McAdvictus Act was passed back in the early 80s and established the Richardson Bay Regional Agency and management of Richardson Bay. At the time, the removal of occupied vessels on the bay was very controversial. And in fact, that was a part of what came to be known as the Houseboat Wars. It was very violent. And by the way, I don't like this violent language. I don't like to hear about war, et cetera. We're trying to be collaborative. of we're trying to get to yes in a way that preserves and protects the recreational use of and ecological use of Richardson Bay. |
| 02:06:34.46 | Unknown | And when I asked BCDC whether they would support a gradual removal of anchor routes through attrition and placement elsewhere, did they respond to me that in order to say yes to that, that they would require a finite time period within which all boats were removed? |
| 02:06:57.34 | Marty Winter | That's not my understanding. What I have, it's my understanding that VCDC would be amenable to an enforcement action that would limit vessels on the water and gradually reduce them via mooring balls. |
| 02:07:15.77 | Unknown | And is it your understanding that that gradual reduction, or does RBRA understand that gradual reduction to some number or to zero? |
| 02:07:24.90 | Marty Winter | Well, that's part of the mooring study. We need to see what the area can actually support. And then judiciously allocate or determine a number of balls which we would then rent out. |
| 02:07:38.70 | Unknown | So from our, oh sorry, that's okay. |
| 02:07:40.22 | Marty Winter | But it would also give us a bright line from which to work. Right now, it's, you know, it's, the situation is in flux. |
| 02:07:50.43 | Unknown | Has BCDC indicated that any number of permanent uh, um, residents on the waters would be acceptable to them. |
| 02:08:01.18 | Calvin Chan | No. |
| 02:08:02.15 | Unknown | Did Brad say to us that he is unwilling to house the homeless on Richardson Bay? That's correct. And so, were we working to figure out a proposal to satisfy BCDC's mandate. |
| 02:08:23.38 | Marty Winter | Yes, absolutely. |
| 02:08:26.91 | Unknown | Okay, but just to, but it's not necessarily, is it our BRA's position that attrition means to zero? |
| 02:08:35.06 | Marty Winter | I'm sorry, get the second half. Attrition, as you said. |
| 02:08:36.98 | Unknown | attrition as used in various slides in this proposal. |
| 02:08:41.09 | Marty Winter | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:08:41.95 | Unknown | Is it your understanding that that necessarily has to be to get to zero? or you kind of it figuring that out through the study and other discussion. |
| 02:08:49.94 | Marty Winter | and other discussions. I would say yes, we're figuring that out. |
| 02:08:54.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:08:54.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:08:55.02 | Unknown | it out. |
| 02:08:55.38 | Marty Winter | Yeah. |
| 02:08:55.41 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:08:55.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:08:55.84 | Unknown | So does RBRA intend to ask BCDC to allow a certain number of permanent mariners in RBRA waters? I can't speak to that yet. |
| 02:08:56.68 | Marty Winter | Yeah. |
| 02:08:56.95 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:09:08.29 | Jonathon Goldman | Would that, I feel like we're drilling you like. That's fine. Five attorneys, four attorneys. |
| 02:09:14.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:14.50 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Would you, is the premise of not going to be requiring CEQA based on it being a temporary mooring. Absolutely. So the definition of temporary should have a time frame applied to it that would be agreed. It could be. That's correct. But there is not that time frame. We're not there yet. |
| 02:09:34.70 | Marty Winter | But there is not that time for it. |
| 02:09:37.57 | Jonathon Goldman | OK. seek or no sequel until a time frame has been established on what the others in |
| 02:09:42.41 | Marty Winter | No, there's a no CEQA if we can basically frame this as an enforcement action where we're limiting the number of boats that are on the water, that there will be no new boats on the water, and that we'd be gradually reducing the number of boats that are on the water. The other purpose behind using mooring balls as opposed to anchor roads is that mooring balls with the latest type of marine tackle would have a minimal, almost nil effect on the eelgrass that Audubon defends so passionately. And that has a significant effect on the herringry population and also migratory birds that use their stopovers in Richardson Bay to basically refuel. |
| 02:10:33.15 | Jonathon Goldman | And the two surveys that we're talking about, the survey and the reports, that would help clarify also on the CEQA consideration. Yeah, absolutely. |
| 02:10:40.31 | Marty Winter | Yeah, absolutely. Merkle Associates is a state of the art. They'd be using something called side focused or side whatever sonar to paint out. Excuse me, excuse me just a second. |
| 02:10:51.98 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Excuse me, just a second Marty. You guys, we gave you your minutes and we'll give you yours. Thanks. |
| 02:10:57.17 | Marty Winter | the eel beds, the eelgrass beds that do tend to move around in the bay. Thank you. |
| 02:11:02.03 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:11:02.04 | Marty Winter | Okay. |
| 02:11:03.19 | Unknown | I have one more joke. |
| 02:11:04.07 | Marty Winter | Yes. |
| 02:11:04.34 | Unknown | Thank you. I'm not sure. So I understand that the bathymetric and the ecological surveys are focusing on the ecological impacts of moorings. But without CEQA review, how can RBRA ensure that impacts to Sausalito of these moorings will be appropriately mitigated? |
| 02:11:28.27 | Marty Winter | Thank you. It's our impression that we could negotiate that with Sausalito without resorting to SIPO. |
| 02:11:38.17 | Marty Winter | Thank you. |
| 02:11:38.61 | Beth Pollard | Thank you. |
| 02:11:38.63 | Marty Winter | Yeah. |
| 02:11:38.88 | Beth Pollard | Just to clarify on CEQA, we will comply with CEQA. I think what we're talking about, we're using shorthand term for an EIR. The issue is whether a full environmental impact report would be required. But of course, whatever we do, we look through a CEQA lens. |
| 02:11:45.06 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:11:45.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:53.29 | Marty Winter | A full BIR rate cost is on the order of $250,000, $300,000 in years. |
| 02:11:56.03 | Beth Pollard | to. |
| 02:11:59.77 | Unknown | . |
| 02:12:00.01 | Marty Winter | Thank you. |
| 02:12:03.16 | Unknown | Good evening, Ryan. |
| 02:12:04.02 | Unknown | And please, no, we're not asking these questions to put you on the spot. But we four have been in these meetings, but everyone else here has not. And so part of these questions is to notify the public of the work we've been doing together. So thank you for your tolerance. |
| 02:12:20.33 | Jonathon Goldman | That was a great use of your two minutes and two seconds. |
| 02:12:23.36 | Beth Pollard | Just to add a couple of points of clarification also that we're here tonight for two, what we think are modest changes to the wording of the presentation around the bullet point about the track record, about focused enforcement and moorings, and then secondly, the elimination of the word immediate. So that was what we came to the meeting to request, as well as to support the staff recommendation for contributing to having the bathymetric and eelgrass surveys done, extending that to Saucedoletal Waters as well. |
| 02:12:24.66 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. |
| 02:12:32.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:32.97 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 02:12:55.75 | Unknown | So can I just confirm something you just said? So on your second issue, on the bullet about allowing Sausalito and RBRA to reduce existing anchor out population through attrition, blah, blah, blah. the only, it sounded like you said a minimum was to remove immediate. But is that actually what you're asking for, is just to remove immediate? I didn't really understand the paragraph in your letter that proceeded the at a minimum. |
| 02:13:22.14 | Marty Winter | and I'm just going to get a little bit of a So by utilizing the term immediate, we would establish two classes of mariners on the water? And I don't think we want to do that. |
| 02:13:34.22 | Beth Pollard | The RBRA Board has not given any policy direction of what it ultimately wants to have happen. And that's part of the difficulty in answering some of the specific questions here, is that they don't have a |
| 02:13:43.76 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 02:13:43.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:13:46.52 | Beth Pollard | an end game of a vision of what they would envision. If there were moorings on the anchorage, what that would mean in terms of who and how they're occupied. So it's a little bit hard to answer these specific questions and also come up with specific language at this point in time. |
| 02:14:01.90 | Unknown | Would you have an objection to Sausalito taking immediate enforcement action against new uh, anchor-occupied boats coming into its waters. |
| 02:14:15.99 | Marty Winter | Sassolito's jurisdiction is Sassolito's jurisdiction. |
| 02:14:19.33 | Unknown | So you just have an issue with the word immediate because we had RBRA. |
| 02:14:22.77 | Marty Winter | As it applies to RBI. |
| 02:14:24.32 | Unknown | to RBRA. Thank you. |
| 02:14:27.63 | Marty Winter | Thank you. |
| 02:14:32.51 | Jonathon Goldman | Jeff Jacobs. |
| 02:14:37.79 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you again, Mr. Mayor. In the zero tolerance policy, the Brown Act prohibits unless it is an emergency, questions and answers. to even the mayor. over here. |
| 02:14:55.29 | Jonathon Goldman | I'll pause you there, Jeff. |
| 02:14:56.59 | Jeff Jacobs | married her. |
| 02:14:57.55 | Jonathon Goldman | Are we in compliance with the Brown Act, as far as you see on that last round of questioning? Yes. Thank you. |
| 02:15:01.18 | Jeff Jacobs | Yes. Okay, that's good. That's an opinion from a lawyer who's paid by the city. As far as the opinion of how many people have been housed, Five was the number that was housed through The shower program, the number that has been housed from Richardson Bay, since I arrived here in 2000, I've been away for a couple years too, is one. It would be very simple to rectify this. You could pass a law that says Sausalito people, landlords are not allowed to discriminate against Section 8 housing. You have not done that. These are words of war enforcement, attrition, Marty, my Israelite friend. Top 10 list. Waste, pictures of boats, of decrepit boats. Actually, the Zadawichi, A beautiful boat that sold for $6,000 was turned in for $500. If it had been an open process, people could have bid it on that boat. They could have given more money to the city, to the Army Corps, whoever it is. A beautiful world sailing vessel crushed. along with many, many, many other boats, not only junk boats and not only unoccupied boats. This, the Audubon Society, for the Audubon Society to be represented and not citizens of Sausalito in front of the Sausalito City Council and not for the anchor outs who are residents or were until 2016 when their district was gerrymandered away and they were no longer allowed to vote in Sausalito elections. That's taxation without representation. I'm glad to see 20% attrition on city council now. And we will be looking at the finances of all of you, not just Jill. I'm glad, Susan, that you reported All of, it was a vast report. We're going to investigate all of the conflicts of interest here. The people on the Anchorage Do not take kindly. to being attritioned. to being enforced. to not having the privileges that everybody else has, to being discriminated against, RBRA has no right, and neither does Sausalito, to tell people on the water that they cannot live there. Simple as that. There's no top 10 list, except for the Torah, that's this week, we have commandments, though we call them Devarim, which is words. Okay? There's 10 of them, you might want to reread them. And stop coveting thy neighbor's goods, even when it's a sailboat, and a real nice one. |
| 02:17:45.64 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. I have a question for Jeff Jacobs. Jeff Jacobs, you got a question, Jeff? |
| 02:17:50.67 | Jeff Jacobs | First one. In how many years? Jeff, you said it's an emergency. |
| 02:17:53.51 | Unknown | Jeff, you said it's unfair to have taxation without representation. What taxes have you paid to the city of Sausalito? |
| 02:18:00.80 | Jeff Jacobs | I pay taxes when I go to restaurants, which I did today. I had a cup of chai and a refill. TO SOMOSAS. Those would be taxes, that would be sales taxes. |
| 02:18:14.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:18:15.33 | Jeff Jacobs | Yeah. Any other questions? |
| 02:18:16.24 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:18:16.49 | Unknown | That's it. |
| 02:18:16.81 | Jeff Jacobs | That was answered. Okay, thank you. |
| 02:18:17.92 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Alright, any other public comment? Seeing none, bringing it up here for direction, we have, this is a portion of it. I think our staff report probably has the best identifiable means here. One is receive and file this report. I think we can do that. So two, three, and four, let's take in that order. Unless you want to help go okay. |
| 02:18:43.54 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:18:44.74 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. |
| 02:18:48.82 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:18:49.45 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, do you have that on a slide anywhere that you can manipulate? |
| 02:18:52.67 | Unknown | It was the prior slide search that |
| 02:18:54.41 | Jonathon Goldman | you This is a portion of it, but it's the Thank you. |
| 02:18:58.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:18:59.15 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. composition of the approved one. |
| 02:19:01.92 | Unknown | It's on page one of the staff report. So. |
| 02:19:05.19 | Jonathon Goldman | So, yeah. Are you okay with the order? He'll work on that. There we go. the specific materials to be presented in the slide, so slide changes. |
| 02:19:19.62 | Unknown | So we've given some direction already that the slide that talks about the members of the committee should be revised to reflect that although Audubon Society made a presentation, they're not a member of the committee. Okay. |
| 02:19:34.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:34.57 | Unknown | And you also mentioned that you wanted to add to what groups outreach had been done, what groups has the Waterfront Committee outreach to? |
| 02:19:44.10 | Jonathon Goldman | It's subcommittee important for she would just say these groups were reached |
| 02:19:48.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:48.68 | Unknown | I think so there were conflating a little bit. So the subcommittee was a working group that has not done outreach. However, the subcommittee has heard from the police department that has done inordinate amounts of outreach. And I think that needs to be clarified. |
| 02:20:09.75 | Unknown | Um, |
| 02:20:13.38 | Unknown | then I think we need to add a council member with these. feedback regarding the injury sustained by public safety officials rescuing distressed anchor outs. And I think that... The slide with the requests of BCDC needs a lot of work, but I think that in our discussion here we've clarified what the Chief's intent is regarding I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. You know, we need to understand exactly what BCDC is ordering Sausalito to do since they have jurisdiction over Sausalito's waters. |
| 02:20:54.76 | Unknown | Yeah, so I have a very strong feeling that I would like that slide to be neutral and to be framed as what is BCDC's current position. |
| 02:21:00.06 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:21:07.26 | Unknown | on multiple issues. Which slide? The leading question that says, Go up. This was slide, it was towards the end. |
| 02:21:12.46 | Unknown | So... |
| 02:21:18.60 | Unknown | We only have two. Oh, all right. Then we can't do it on that one. |
| 02:21:19.36 | Unknown | Oh. THE FAMILY. |
| 02:21:20.19 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:21:20.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:21.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:21.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:22.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:23.43 | Unknown | It's set right now it says, confirm BCDC policy prohibiting use of Richardson Bay for housing. So that was something they announced in the waterfront committee. But I would say, you know, |
| 02:21:36.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:40.52 | Unknown | identify what is BCDC's current position regarding Anchor Routes in Richardson Bay. |
| 02:21:50.50 | Unknown | Is that the main, I mean, are we also, |
| 02:21:53.57 | Unknown | well we want to find out what their position is and then we want to ask them for delayed enforcement of their position. If truly their position is that we must remove all boats, we want we don't want to remove all boats immediately. We want to give all of the mariners who have been in our waters for some period of time the opportunity to make other arrangements or to stay as long as they want. But once they leave, then they won't be backfilled. |
| 02:22:30.71 | Unknown | So we've been I'd like to leave the question just open ended about their position instead of assuming that it is or isn't something also. I mean this is just one committee, right, of BCDC, this is not their |
| 02:22:44.77 | Unknown | This is their enforcement. Committee. |
| 02:22:49.71 | Unknown | Okay. So we're asking for the enforcement committee's position. |
| 02:22:54.40 | Unknown | The enforcement committee has requested that we make a presentation to them regarding our plans to comply with the MACRAS-PETRAS Act. Our response is to find out how, you know, what their position is, whether there's any leeway in that compliance so that we can be compassionate to our Mariners. |
| 02:23:17.29 | Unknown | Okay, so if it's rephrased. Thank you. |
| 02:23:22.43 | Jonathon Goldman | Can you replace that who's who's got it. |
| 02:23:24.58 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:23:24.59 | Unknown | I think, Joan, just raised it. |
| 02:23:25.44 | Jonathon Goldman | Do you have it? |
| 02:23:26.45 | Unknown | Yeah, I have it. |
| 02:23:26.82 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay. Can we add Ray's comment on the, is that slide 20? Are you looking at that bullet one to add in? The entry yes OK I'm proposing we remove 21. Yeah I don't have the backup information on that. |
| 02:23:39.71 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:23:43.92 | Unknown | Yes. Yep. |
| 02:23:46.63 | Jonathon Goldman | And that's the survey. |
| 02:23:47.83 | Unknown | That's the survey sign. |
| 02:23:48.83 | Jonathon Goldman | you |
| 02:23:53.53 | Unknown | And then, I have a policy difference about the mooring field issue and I don't know how other people on the council feel, or the moorings, I guess it's not necessarily a field, I would like to keep that option open and see how our options develop so I am not there was a slide do have the slides up there's a slide that specifically said that Sasolito. |
| 02:24:26.36 | Unknown | Given its track record of success, Sausalito does not believe a mooring field is a necessary enforcement tool. So Chief, did you want to address, does the Sausalito Police Department want to put moorings in Sausalito waters? |
| 02:24:38.39 | Unknown | Yeah, the police department already said that they don't. Thank you. |
| 02:24:41.38 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 02:24:41.69 | Unknown | I'm, don't, agree that that's a conclusion that I have reached at this point. I mean I think the chief gave a very good explanation of why he did not feel that that was an appropriate enforcement tool. But respectfully I feel like it's an option I would like to keep on the table. There's a study that's being done. And so I... am not prepared at this time to commit |
| 02:25:09.91 | Unknown | When you say keep that option on the table, right now Sausalito's ordinances do not provide for any moorings in Sausalito's waters. |
| 02:25:18.87 | Jonathon Goldman | without the, uh, |
| 02:25:21.69 | Unknown | No, we don't provide, we don't, our ordinance does not. So our ordinance doesn't let people stay for 72 hours either, so. |
| 02:25:29.23 | Jonathon Goldman | It would have to be on a mooring. |
| 02:25:29.55 | Unknown | to be able to. No, it does let them stay for 72 hours. It lets them stay for longer than 72 hours with the permission of the police. |
| 02:25:36.47 | Unknown | So Joan, I'm not recommending that we put in any moorings at this point in time. I am just saying, I personally, do not want to commit in a presentation to BCDC that that's off the table. And RBRA is pursuing it as one option. That's just my position at this point. So I, you know, and I might be in the minority and we can keep it in. |
| 02:26:04.15 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:26:10.46 | Unknown | I mean, one of the things that the chief talked about is that It was not a strategy when there was so much on the water. I think we're moving to a point where there's less and less on the water. And our BRA might also eventually reach that position. And maybe at that point in time, a mooring could be a legitimate enforcement tool. |
| 02:26:39.08 | Jonathon Goldman | So this is potential morning field slide that has the 4 bullets on it right. And they all seem to be somewhat |
| 02:26:48.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:26:48.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:26:49.00 | Unknown | I mean, |
| 02:26:50.11 | Jonathon Goldman | This is really hard to talk about without these |
| 02:26:50.30 | Unknown | This is really hard to talk about without these slides. Are you able to bring up the other PowerPoint presentation, Serge? |
| 02:27:02.13 | Unknown | Thank you. Thanks. Go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt you. It's just that I've got my notes on one thing, |
| 02:27:12.86 | Jonathon Goldman | because I think this is an you We're at the point now where we're saying, what do we want to say to BCDC that's kind of |
| 02:27:19.12 | Unknown | Right. Thank you. |
| 02:27:21.60 | Jonathon Goldman | emboldened. The mooring field. you know we may even spend some money on that should we before we commit and I think this is what Thank you. |
| 02:27:31.69 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:27:32.01 | Jonathon Goldman | Susan is saying, before we commit to something, should we say, contingent upon the results of, or something. Something to kinda say, there's a big bit of information coming our way. |
| 02:27:41.97 | Unknown | So I will just say the logistical response to that is that for inexperienced mariners, a mooring gives an a false sense of security. So a mooring does not render their anchorage any safer to them personally than much of the tackle and ball and tackle that they are now utilizing. And what I want to avoid is to have inexperienced mariners hitch up to a mooring thinking that that will somehow provide them more security in wind and high waves than the current ramshackle ball and tackle and other mooring um, uh, tools that they now use. So that's a concern. |
| 02:28:39.70 | Jonathon Goldman | OK. Thank you. Ultimately, and so the comment here too is that a moored field is not necessary as an enforcement tool. |
| 02:28:48.61 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 02:28:48.93 | Jonathon Goldman | But ultimately, we might need mooring balls |
| 02:28:51.77 | Unknown | For recreational vehicles. |
| 02:28:52.59 | Jonathon Goldman | For recreational. Yes. And we want to have a specific place for those that are environmentally protected |
| 02:28:53.64 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:28:59.11 | Unknown | I am totally on board with that. |
| 02:29:00.39 | Jonathon Goldman | So we are going to... |
| 02:29:01.33 | Unknown | I am opposed to moorings as an enforcement tool. I think they're unnecessary. I am totally in favor of a limited number of moorings for recreational use once we have stabilized the condition of our waters. |
| 02:29:20.08 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay, I think we're kind of on the same page. That's 23. |
| 02:29:23.78 | Unknown | The reason that the slide is framed this way as an enforcement tool is that RBRA, as you heard from Marty Winter this evening, there is a limited, some believe there's a limited CEQA exemption for moorings that are used as an enforcement tool that you don't have to go through CEQA study to install those types of moorings. So the reason this slide is framed the way it is, is that. tool that you don't have to go through CEQA study to install those types of moorings. So the reason this slide is framed the way it is, is that unless Sausalito is able to negotiate a suitable mitigation of impacts to Sausalito from proposed moorings in RBRA waters, Sausalito wants to require sequel review and does not believe that moorings are that the CEQA exemption for moorings is necessary. So, |
| 02:30:24.04 | Unknown | That addressed by bullet three. |
| 02:30:26.98 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:30:31.94 | Unknown | So can we just take off bullet one? |
| 02:30:38.96 | Unknown | Um, I'll have some general comments later. I mean, the working group has been studying this. I'm not going to pretend to come in with words of wisdom. But I think we should take seriously what our police chief is telling us. which is I don't want to put, I know maybe we're thinking of the whole of Richardson Bay, but the data clearly shows that we do not need a mooring field as an enforcement tool, at least in Sausalito waters. |
| 02:31:14.85 | Unknown | we could add in Sausalito waters. because that does not preclude us from having recreational moorings when and if we decide, but it simply confirms what the police chief has told us and what our evidence reflects, which is that we don't need moorings in order to enforce our ordinances. |
| 02:31:36.55 | Jonathon Goldman | In our waters. In our waters. |
| 02:31:37.14 | Unknown | in our waters. |
| 02:31:38.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:39.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:39.20 | Unknown | So, That is what the Chief said, but at the same time, we're also talking about people moving back and forth, you know, if there's inconsistent enforcement between RBRA and County Waters and Sausalito. This, you know, it's just a... So I'm just not completely convinced that a mooring would not be helpful, but... It sounds like I'm in the minority, so if you want to keep this that way, that's fine. |
| 02:32:10.87 | Unknown | Well, I would modify to say in Sausalito waters. |
| 02:32:23.99 | Unknown | OK. I mean, I'm the one. RBRA has asked us to not take this position. They're asking us to be collaborative. This is a thing on the table for them. I would like to take it out. There's four of us. |
| 02:32:44.71 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, I agree with what you're saying. we want to work with our bear and our B are a on this I'm not in complete agreement on the immediate situation I I think a lot of this has to be immediate so Simply because that's how backfill works. And I appreciate the chief said the word backfill a few times. Thank you. |
| 02:33:10.26 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:33:10.61 | Jonathon Goldman | that's exactly you know what we don't want to happen is is the backfield i'm struggling with enforcement tool being a temporary mooring field Please stop commenting. |
| 02:33:23.79 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:33:24.60 | Jonathon Goldman | That means stop. |
| 02:33:25.51 | Jeff Jacobs | Well, that's a good word. |
| 02:33:27.00 | Jonathon Goldman | that we... The Maureen Field is a temporary solution enforcement tool. but it's not a permanent solution. |
| 02:33:40.75 | Unknown | So. |
| 02:33:41.27 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:33:41.29 | Unknown | So I think if there's a |
| 02:33:41.48 | Jonathon Goldman | All right. |
| 02:33:41.54 | Unknown | May I offer this? We are meeting again with RBRA on February 6th. We needed direction from council in order to understand council's direction about what we tell BCDC, but we are meeting with RBRA, the working group again, on February 6th to work. one of the things we'll do is work on this presentation. So I can commit that we will work with RBRA to identify language that reflects Sausalito's position but is not objectionable to RBRA. |
| 02:34:12.81 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. That's a great rope you threw us. |
| 02:34:17.44 | Unknown | Yeah, that's fine. |
| 02:34:19.48 | Jonathon Goldman | THE END OF You already know our comments on those other items. Yes. |
| 02:34:21.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:34:21.79 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:34:23.19 | Jonathon Goldman | Anything else? |
| 02:34:24.47 | Unknown | Hold on, I gotta get back to my... |
| 02:34:26.47 | Jonathon Goldman | This is on the slide only. |
| 02:34:28.10 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:34:30.18 | Jonathon Goldman | We're still going to talk money and then the modification. |
| 02:34:36.77 | Jonathon Goldman | So sure if I'm going to go ahead. |
| 02:34:37.03 | Unknown | So we did talk about there was a slide that I found confusing, that can It mushes together this affirmative statement of non-enforcement. against individuals with a couple of other things, including attrition. So I just think maybe those could be bulleted out more clearly. |
| 02:35:01.09 | Jonathon Goldman | You have that, Joan? Thank you. |
| 02:35:01.92 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:35:06.90 | Unknown | Okay, that's it. |
| 02:35:09.97 | Jonathon Goldman | There's the bigger one. |
| 02:35:13.58 | Unknown | All right, may I address the financial participation? |
| 02:35:16.80 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, let's start. That is a proof I finished. |
| 02:35:20.23 | Unknown | So I requested this be added to our agenda item. for the reasons the chief enunciated, which is the county is paying the initial $100,000 cost of the survey. Sausalito will obtain valuable information from that portion of the survey. We now have an opportunity to also get the bathymetric and eelgrass surveys. There's an additional $40,000 cost for those. I would like Sausalito to spend maybe $5,000, whatever Tiburon and Belvedere spend. I don't want Sausalito to bear that whole burden, but I would like us, if Belvedere and Tiburon decide to contribute, I would like us to join with them as well, since we making an effort to continue to collaborate with RBRA on various matters including this study. |
| 02:36:17.38 | Unknown | Um... . So we don't know the amount yet. And we don't know if anybody else is contributing yet. |
| 02:36:25.92 | Unknown | and we don't know where it's coming from. |
| 02:36:27.37 | Unknown | All right, and we don't know where it's coming from, so I'm sorry. Or is this to appropriate the money now that we don't know what it is? Or is it to give city manager authority that if it's under his limit, he can go ahead and do this? What are we trying to do here? |
| 02:36:48.57 | Jonathon Goldman | I think in a way we're also the first agency to produce a number, which I don't like being the first one to say a number, because we're hoping to get maybe upwards of eight participants here, which is a great number for 5,000. |
| 02:36:59.74 | Unknown | We'll be right back. |
| 02:36:59.79 | Unknown | which is a great thing. |
| 02:37:00.09 | Kile Pile | Great job. |
| 02:37:00.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:00.31 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:37:00.40 | Unknown | for five, yeah. |
| 02:37:01.93 | Jonathon Goldman | Another 5,000, you know, a max of eight if there's five people. I get what you're saying. You know, we shouldn't. Tiburon and Belvedore shouldn't pay if we're not, vice versa. |
| 02:37:12.77 | Unknown | Yeah, I think I'd be comfortable giving the city manager direction to indicate to our BRA that Sausalito is willing to contribute some amount, can measure it with other jurisdictions. |
| 02:37:13.41 | Jonathon Goldman | TO BE COMFORTABLE. |
| 02:37:27.68 | Unknown | in a reasonable and fair way. |
| 02:37:29.96 | Unknown | And and do you let you want to put a cap on it no more than 8 or no more than 10. Yeah. |
| 02:37:35.72 | Unknown | He'll pay zero. |
| 02:37:37.93 | Unknown | He'll pay zero. They've kind of been harassed. Leave it up to him. |
| 02:37:39.02 | Unknown | I mean, |
| 02:37:39.25 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 02:37:39.40 | Unknown | Yes. Thank you. |
| 02:37:41.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:41.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:42.94 | Unknown | I don't need to put a limit on it. For the record, the city manager and I are both |
| 02:37:44.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:44.92 | Unknown | But we're willing to participate in some more. Thanks. |
| 02:37:48.04 | Unknown | That was a joke. |
| 02:37:49.32 | Unknown | you |
| 02:37:50.13 | Unknown | Yeah, I don't need to put a... |
| 02:37:51.14 | Unknown | put up. |
| 02:37:52.04 | Unknown | I personally don't feel the need to put a limit on it because I don't think the study is that I don't think the total amount is that great. |
| 02:37:56.02 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:38:01.25 | Jonathon Goldman | And number three, which is number four. prove a modification of the occupied vessels. Now, we've already had conversation on this, Any problem with the media enforcement of the 72 hour ordinance? |
| 02:38:15.26 | Unknown | I want to make clear that enforcement of the 72-hour ordinance still gives boats and owners the opportunity to request additional time. So if someone is traveling around the world from Australia, when they get to our waters, they can ask the police chief. What is all this gesticulating? |
| 02:38:36.72 | Chad Carvey | THE END OF lose that way. You cannot receive. |
| 02:38:40.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:40.79 | Jonathon Goldman | No, we've already had this item. |
| 02:38:40.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:40.82 | Unknown | Can I... |
| 02:38:41.75 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:38:41.77 | Unknown | Can I get that? Would you like to |
| 02:38:43.07 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes, please. |
| 02:38:43.79 | Unknown | So Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, what your ordinance says right now, and I think we're just mixing a couple provisions together, we've retained the 10-hour limit. You can't mourn Sausalito's waters for more than 10 hours without the written permission of the Chief of Police. It's still in there. Our enforcement provisions indicate that boats that are left in Sausalito's water for longer than 72 hours can be removed. one of the enforcement mechanisms to physically remove them after 72 hours. |
| 02:39:12.16 | Unknown | Okay. So I'm not getting the sense that there was a lot of outreach done on this, maybe we could it. maybe the chief could speak to that. |
| 02:39:22.49 | Unknown | Well how do we reach out? So this affects new people who aren't currently in our waters. So how do we reach out to new people who might decide they want to drop anchor and live on our waters? |
| 02:39:34.77 | Unknown | So does this include someone that's currently in county waters? |
| 02:39:39.11 | Unknown | If you don't mind, I'll just explain it again. I'm not sure. focused on people that are going to arrive here knowing that there's open space And just to go back and talk about outreach, we've done an incredible amount of outreach about our rules. when we first had them passed by the city council, we went and delivered a copy of all the new Marine rules to every boat in Sausalito. On every boat we put that, notice we've posted them, we've had outreach meetings. This is not about our current people anyways, but they all know, And frankly, in this regard, they are allies if they think about that, and I'm sure they have. that we don't want all the new people coming in and taking up that space that we just cleared of marine debris and other boats that aren't supposed to be here. So I don't know how, there's no way to post any other notices or signs for people who haven't got here yet, but the message in the, and I'm just saying this in a way |
| 02:40:30.64 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 02:40:30.97 | Kile Pile | THERE'S NO. |
| 02:40:41.26 | Unknown | maybe as harder to fathom, but the word spreads like crazy. and about what jurisdictions are lax on enforcement and what areas are open for boats to come in and we the police department and RBRA and the Sheriff's Office, we participate in the bimonthly US Coast Guard Abandoned Vessel Work Group meetings. And we hear horror story after horror story. We just heard one from a vote occupant in Pillar Point who was being kicked out, and he and his companion said, well, we'll just go up Richardson Bay. And it's a derelict commercial tug. And they didn't make it, the boat sunk outside of the bay down there in Pillar Point. It's just that's the thought, is that it has happened for so long that it was believed to be No man's land, this is just the Wild West. Just come and put anything you want out here, no one's going to care. But in fact, we do care and we're trying to remove the marine debris and reduce the amount of people that are living on the water. And I don't want to do all that work and create that open water space just for more people to come in because they heard that we have more elbow room now. It's cross purposes. It would make no sense to continue to do that. So if they were to show up, if that helps answer your question, First of all, the clock only runs when we finally make contact with somebody. We don't have a full-time enforcement team. We're not out there every day. When we see or hear from a survey or some other way that we come across a new boat, we go and make contact with them. and let them know that you know they're going to be in violation of our of our rule they don't have any permission to be here and give them some time to get out of here and then when we're ready to, we'll put that 72 hour notice on their boat. And then the clock is running. |
| 02:42:39.79 | Unknown | And so that's just sort of a garden building. |
| 02:42:39.82 | Unknown | And so that's just what we've already been doing anyways I'm not sure. Boats already in the water. It's just that I want to get after the new boats now. I don't want new boats coming in. It just defeats the purpose of what we've been trying to do. |
| 02:42:53.88 | Unknown | And would this apply to people who are currently here who leave for some amount of time and come back? |
| 02:42:59.28 | Unknown | So the surveys already indicate like for instance there's a few, I don't know how many of you could be, let's say a dozen, but there's at least some boats in our surveys have been in the exact same spot for over 17 surveys or a year and a half, never moved. There are some that have come in and out. They're a survey one month, next month the spot's gone, they come back to the same spot. We know it's the same spot because it's where they were surveyed before. It's not our primary concern either. It's just helping us track information about the movement of vessels on the water. And so those aren't the next, that's not the level of what we're trying to do. |
| 02:43:35.65 | Kile Pile | Okay, thank you. |
| 02:43:40.64 | Unknown | Okay. Number one is really important to us. The second one, it's important, but it's only because we're trying to tell you that's what we're already doing anyways. And I just want to be upfront about it. we actually don't necessarily need your authority to do any of those, because you already gave it to us, the municipal code, just trying to make it clear about |
| 02:44:01.23 | Unknown | Because |
| 02:44:04.00 | Unknown | the direction of policy that you've given us and how we're trying to use common sense to apply it. |
| 02:44:04.03 | Unknown | That's right. |
| 02:44:04.99 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 02:44:10.12 | Unknown | And that's what we're doing. It's just to demonstrate that this is what we're trying to accomplish. and do it in a fair way. |
| 02:44:16.94 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 02:44:19.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:19.35 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. I think that all this is the type of thing that you get this response, not this response. It's amazing. Thank you, Chief. |
| 02:44:24.73 | Unknown | Not this. |
| 02:44:28.41 | Jonathon Goldman | before that. |
| 02:44:28.43 | Unknown | Thank you. Should I make a motion on this? |
| 02:44:30.08 | Jonathon Goldman | Please. |
| 02:44:30.54 | Unknown | Thank you. I move that we approve a modification of the occupied vessel's Phase IV component of the City of Sausalito's waterfront management plan priorities to adopt the two-part strategy enunciated in our staff report. |
| 02:44:49.05 | Jonathon Goldman | Second. |
| 02:44:52.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:53.02 | Jonathon Goldman | All in favor? Aye. |
| 02:44:53.93 | Unknown | Bye. You have to stay closed. |
| 02:44:57.62 | Jonathon Goldman | She's thinking. |
| 02:44:58.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:59.28 | Unknown | I'm just not. Yeah. I... Could we take them, I'm fine with number two, And generally, I am fine with number one, as articulated by, the chief as long, with new newcomers. |
| 02:45:19.17 | Unknown | So would you be okay if number one said, with respect to any new occupied boats entering our waters that have not shown up on any of the prior 17 surveys performed by SAGE-CZAP? |
| 02:45:39.42 | Unknown | Amen. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Okay, with that, I amend my motion to reflect that language. |
| 02:45:46.48 | Unknown | You can just say the surveys. |
| 02:45:48.96 | Unknown | Okay. So number one is modified to say immediate enforcement of 72 hour ordinance with respect to any new occupied boats entering our waters that have not previously been depicted on our prior surveys. |
| 02:46:05.90 | Jonathon Goldman | I'll uphold my second. |
| 02:46:10.12 | Unknown | WHAT? |
| 02:46:11.00 | Jonathon Goldman | My second. |
| 02:46:11.91 | Unknown | He's seconding my amended motion. |
| 02:46:12.11 | Unknown | seconding my amended. |
| 02:46:16.19 | Jonathon Goldman | All in favor? Aye. |
| 02:46:17.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:46:17.39 | Judy | I. |
| 02:46:17.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:46:17.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:46:18.61 | Judy | Bye. |
| 02:46:22.59 | Unknown | That motion carries four, zero. |
| 02:46:29.02 | Unknown | I just don't under... |
| 02:46:30.72 | Jonathon Goldman | The other three have direction to staff on the other three items, staff and. |
| 02:46:35.36 | Unknown | Do we give you everything you need, Chief? |
| 02:46:37.24 | Jonathon Goldman | Yep. |
| 02:46:38.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:46:38.08 | Unknown | I really want to apologize to Serge. I didn't mean to blow up his work. I actually showed up early. He helped me and clearly I'm a slow learner. But we tried to make this presentation go a little better and it didn't work out. But I'm accepting responsibility for that. And I thank Serge for his patience of helping an old fossil like me trying to figure out how to do a simple PowerPoint. Appreciate it. |
| 02:47:03.41 | Unknown | Great. Thank you very much for that and I'd also just like to say you know I with this waterfront committee and some of these presentations I know the police department does a lot of outreach but I I don't actually feel like I personally know how the community really feels about some of these proposals and I know you're shaking your head or sign but we got 2 pieces of correspondence on this tonight which I read before the meeting and so it really would be helpful to me if the waterfront committee gathered outreach and feedback in a more organized manner just as we do for every other proposal that impacts members of the community. So I don't really you know I'm I'm not on the committee. I don't understand the nuances of some of this. And. proposal that impacts members of the community. So I don't really you know I'm not on the committee I don't understand the nuances of some of this and. |
| 02:47:49.24 | Unknown | So I don't know. |
| 02:47:56.13 | Unknown | I, I, I'm just not sure that we're getting the amount of outreach in a targeted way. I know that the police department does spend a lot of time on the water, but in a way that's helpful in these policies. So I'd just like to say that for the record. |
| 02:48:14.60 | Unknown | Okay, may I recommend that the city manager have our good librarian, Abbott Chambers, include some of these updates in the currents to notify our community of the steps that we're taking, the progress that we're making, and invite any feedback from the community. |
| 02:48:37.96 | Jonathon Goldman | coming. |
| 02:48:39.40 | Unknown | Yeah, thanks, Mr. Mayor. I want to make three points. Um, The first is, this is a very complicated, and it's a very human issue. I understand that. I think we all understand that. I think part of the issue here is that Yeah, we've been working great with RBRA. We've been working great with all the different agencies, our police department, the sheriffs. I mean, it's been working. And the results of 18 months worth of work is actually very impressive. And in fact, we've even received praise for how it's being managed by many of the anchorites. And I think you'd agree with that. well. |
| 02:49:35.17 | Jeff Jacobs | So much. |
| 02:49:36.13 | Unknown | THE Thing is that with RBRA. We have got to move our dialogue with RBRA. to a longer range vision. and see if we can find an agreement. Because yes, it's important right now to tactically be working out with BCDC and so on, but if in the long run, RBRA is going one way to how to deal with county waters, and we're going another way in how to deal with our waters. I mean, it's very clear what's going to happen unless we're both at least working towards we've got the same long-range goal. What is it? Well, I don't know what RBRA's long-range goal. I'm not sure I know what ours is, to be honest. So that's the second point I'd make. And then the third point I'd make to the Anchor Out community, and you know, I know a lot of you. I know a lot of you folks. And I really, really would encourage you to, as a Marty Winter said, I'd really, really encourage you to bring the inflammatory language down. |
| 02:51:03.56 | Jeff Jacobs | Uh-huh. It's always a response. |
| 02:51:05.90 | Unknown | Wars, aggression, we don't need it. |
| 02:51:07.02 | Jeff Jacobs | It's a response. |
| 02:51:10.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:10.34 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 02:51:10.38 | Chad Carvey | Thank you. |
| 02:51:10.41 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 02:51:10.53 | Chad Carvey | Thank you. |
| 02:51:10.81 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 02:51:10.93 | Chad Carvey | Thank you. |
| 02:51:11.03 | Unknown | We just don't need it. |
| 02:51:12.65 | Chad Carvey | So you're not going out on the island. |
| 02:51:14.61 | Jonathon Goldman | Quiet please, quiet. You've had your time. We'll have you removed. |
| 02:51:15.64 | Chad Carvey | Bye. |
| 02:51:20.03 | Adam Politzer | Come on now. |
| 02:51:21.19 | Jonathon Goldman | So, |
| 02:51:21.31 | Adam Politzer | Mayor Burns? Yes, sir. Can I just make a clarification point? In the current, and it was very appropriate that our um, Library Foundation members recognized our City Librarian Communications Director. But the second story after the Historical Society Ice House is the City Council to consider modifications to the Waterfront Management Plan. And in a very nice summary, including those two points there, those are put out. So this, the current goes over. over 3,000 of our residents receive this and people outside. And then you've heard from the chief that we do an incredible amount of outreach. So it is important to recognize that in addition to the story, The agenda is also posted with links to the staff reports and all the supporting information. So we are doing our best based on our resources to make sure that we broadcast something as important as this to the community. Up front. |
| 02:52:20.78 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. And I want to thank Council Member Withee for his remarks. I jumped so quickly to the vote and to the end of the item that I know he had general comments. So thank you for getting those. So we are done with this item. Any other comments? Oh, thank you. |
| 02:52:36.67 | Unknown | I will. So, you know, I'm very results oriented and sometimes in my haste to produce the results that are the recommendations of the staff, I neglect to mention that, you know, I am someone who has been fighting on behalf of the anchor outs for BCDC to delay this enforcement strategy. I'm the one who's proposing no immediate eviction of boats upon whom people are living in our waters, but rather identifying alternatives for them should they wish to avail themselves of those alternatives. In terms of the liveaboards, I'm not suggesting the anchor outs pay to dock. I'm suggesting that the anchor outs pay to dock. I'm suggesting that we identify funding from HUD, from Marin Health and Human Services, from Sausalito's Inclusionary Ordinance to identify funds to help anchor outs make that transition to still be able to live on their boat, but safely docked so that they're not buffered and buffeted and endangered during our winter season. So that is what I've been, those have been my goals, is to come up with a compassionate solution that addresses BCDC's mandate, but yet recognizes the longstanding colorful nature of our anchor out population. |
| 02:54:13.70 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you, Joan. I think that has been a consistent dialogue from both you and our entire council for so long. It's always surprising to me, and now sitting in this seat, even more surprising, how every time we say we're going to do something good for that community, we get head shakes. It's baffling, and it will continue to be baffling, but we will just continue the path that you just mentioned and that we have demonstrated as a council. I will, however, Jeff, require that you give us the same respect we give you when you get up and do your three minutes all the time. Please, thank you. Are we done with this item? Thank you. Now we are on to marijuana regulations update. Do we need a break? It's 10. Are we good? |
| 02:55:01.72 | Adam Politzer | We need a quick break to reboot that laptop so we can actually |
| 02:55:05.44 | Jonathon Goldman | Let's do a quick, we're gonna reboot for five minutes. |
| 02:55:34.45 | Dave Frisberg | It's like a clicker's not. It's really powerful. Can I get by? I'm sorry. |
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| 03:04:45.22 | Jonathon Goldman | And we're back. |
| 03:04:49.00 | Jonathon Goldman | So as we get the computer setup I will announce that our next item is marijuana regulate that regulations update. And Calvin Chan our senior planner will be presenting. |
| 03:05:06.26 | Jonathon Goldman | And we will follow along on Granicus. |
| 03:05:10.45 | Calvin Chan | Thank you, Mayor Burns, members of the council, staff, and members of the public in attendance. |
| 03:05:18.28 | Marty Winter | Next slide. |
| 03:05:20.81 | Calvin Chan | So this evening, I'd like to recap very quickly what we have done with our marijuana regulations thus far, and then also request some council direction. To recap, at our October 30th meeting at the end of last year, the city council extended one last time the interim urgency ordinance through November 24th of 2019. This would allow staff the additional time to develop permanent marijuana regulations for the city. The council also directed staff to explore other non storefront type businesses and I'll talk about this more in just a moment. Currently, what we have in place is our interim urgency ordinance. What is allowed is the delivery of medical and recreational marijuana into Sausalito and also personal indoor cultivation. What is not allowed is any type of commercial activity for retail sales, dispensaries, and distribution centers. We do have a special Sausalito requirement in our ordinance right now that would require that businesses that conduct cannabis related deliveries into Sausalito must register or notify city staff. Next slide, please. |
| 03:06:33.39 | Calvin Chan | So the two purposes of my presentation this evening is to provide background information and a recap to bring us up to speed to 2019 and to also request council direction. I'll start right now by giving some background and recapping, bringing us up to 2019. Next slide. So displayed on the screen is a timeline that we've seen previously in our presentations, as well as contained within your staff report. I jumped to the very bottom two bullets which have been added since our October 2018 meeting. Following the October 2018 meeting, staff did make a presentation to the Chamber of Commerce at their business exchange forum to talk about what the Council had decided and also the next steps. Just last Wednesday, new non-emergency state-level regulations for cannabis were adopted. So this is just a week ago. And this would be new state-level regulations to replace the previous emergency regulations. And these are regulations for cannabis businesses across the entire supply chain, from cultivation all the way to end retail. These new state-level regulations are approved and are immediately in effect. Next slide, please. |
| 03:07:52.04 | Calvin Chan | So the three state level licensing authorities that came together over the last two years to come up with these permanent regulations, they are the California Department of Food and Ag, which issues licenses for cultivation, Department of Public Health, which does licensing for manufacturing type businesses, and the Bureau of Cannabis Control, or the BCC. And this would be the licensing authority that Sausalito would interact most with because as you see highlighted in green, we're talking about exploring non-storefront distribution and retail. At the bottom of the screen, you see a little graphic showing six different overarching license types and the different licensing authorities that would issue those particular licenses. Next slide, please. |
| 03:08:43.34 | Calvin Chan | So as a recap, on the screen we have four different license types that we've gone over previously. I'd like to run through this very quickly as it will be germane to our discussion later. Displayed at the very top is a retailer storefront description. Again, this is not something that the council has directed staff to explore, but we're showing this here just for comparison purposes. So a storefront retailer sells cannabis goods to customers at its premises or by delivery. And the retailer must have a licensed physical location or premises where this commercial cannabis activity would be conducted. In contrast, you have the non-storefront retailer, which sells and delivers cannabis exclusively by delivery. The retailer, which is non-storefront, must also have the licensed premises, but these premises are not open for the public to visit. We also talked about distributor licenses previously. Both types of distributor licenses. You have your standard distributor, both are non-storefront. The first type of, I would say, the main distributor license is responsible for transporting cannabis goods and arranging for testing of cannabis products and also conducting quality assurance review. They also require, or they're licensed to have the responsibility to make sure that all packaging and labeling requirements of the state are met. The last type at the very bottom is the distributor transport only license option which as its name suggests just transports between other distributors and manufacturers but not to the end retailers. of the ones ones that Sausalito is interested in exploring as of this moment are the non-storefront type retails and distribution. Next slide, please. So moving on to the latter portion of this presentation, which is the request for council direction. So the purpose of tonight's presentation is to hopefully ask the council to give staff some specific guidance on particular next steps that we should take in the development of some permanent cannabis, commercial cannabis business activity regulations in Sausalito. Next slide, please. |
| 03:11:03.45 | Calvin Chan | So displayed on your screen are five of the, I would say, milestone steps that we have previously outlined at our October 30th meeting. Render this very quickly to consider a non-storefront marijuana retail delivery or distribution business. The process would include, and we'll talk about this public process in just a moment. Through a very robust public engagement process, the drafting of regulations and standards for this non-storefront marijuana retail delivery or distribution uses, including coming up with new land use categories. Again, with lots of public engagement, the selection of a zoning district in which these activities would be allowed and in what manner they would and an initiation of a zoning ordinance, specific plan if applicable, and general plan amendments with planning commission and council review. selection of the total number of available licenses. This is important because the number of licenses that you give out and in conjunction with a future potential cannabis business tax, this leads to the potential revenue that could be estimated. Next slide, please. |
| 03:12:20.22 | Calvin Chan | So displayed on the screen is a chart that you've seen in your staff report. I'll run through this briefly, and I'd like to recommend coming back to this at the very end so that we can go through some of these A1, A2, and so on. Questions, receive some specific feedback from the council on next steps. So we as staff have come up with three options for options for action for community engagement. The first is to establish a body that would collaborate with city staff in the drafting of these permanent cannabis regulations. What body should the city staff work with and displayed on the right you have some suggestions just based on our previous practices of coming up with these working group or task force committees to answer these specific questions. And the council can definitely give direction to staff on the composition of this working group or task force can be made up of any combination of the things that you see on the screen. Furthermore, Council was requested to provide some direction to staff if this working group or task force should be established as a Brown Act committee as there are certain different provisions that and requirements that we need to come with that. The second option for action for community engagement is the conduct of a community survey. We previously did that in the drafting of the interim urgency ordinance. We did it both on next door as well as our own city website. Should the city staff conduct this community survey on next door on open town hall, which is our city website? And how should we advertise this? Should we do it by mail, currents, Marin IJ? How should we get the word out on this? And lastly, the conduct of a community workshop or a forum. Should city staff organize and conduct this community workshop? And again, how should we advertise this? So we're looking to the council to provide some feedback so that we can hit the ground running in 2019. Next slide, please. So here is a projected timeline that we have for this year. If the council desires and direct staff to do so, we will form the working group and task force, conduct the community survey in February. In March, we would hope to continue with our working group and task force meetings, perhaps two meetings, and to conduct, if desired, the community workshop or forum. In April and May, we would like to bring to the planning commission to study some of the proposed zoning ordinance amendments and the planning commission would be involved because they are required to provide a recommendation to the city council on any zoning ordinance amendment. So that would be their charge to do in April and May. BEGINNING OF JUNE, WE WOULD HOPE TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER GOING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE Thank you. community engagement previously, to conduct a public hearing at a city council meeting on the proposed regulations, to receive the Planning Commission's recommendation on the zoning ordinance amendment, and to also have the first reading of our potential permanent marijuana regulations ordinance. Thank you. Thank you. By the end of June, we would hope to conduct the second reading. at a public hearing and have the permanent regulations adopted and in effect by the end of July. In the future, we would look at the initiation of a ballot measure if we would be interested in exploring a commercial cannabis business tax. |
| 03:16:05.30 | Calvin Chan | I'd like to note that we have received correspondence from Elissa Hembrick and Eric Sklar of Fume. They're a cannabis business. They're also here in the audience. I think they would like to have some comments for you They have provided us some previous correspondence about their experiences working with the City of Clear Lake. Clear Lake, you do have a guide to their cannabis regulations in your staff report. And I have done a quick read-through. I think it's a good case study for us to take a look at. City of Clear Lake, they have a dual permitting system, one that requires a CUP by the Planning Commission and then also a more regulatory enforcement arm observing which is issued by the CDD director and with coordination from their police department. Just for the purposes of this staff report, we have not provided any substantial fiscal analysis, but rest assured that that analysis would be coming in later reports. I would just like to note that in the June 2018 Finance Committee meeting, our previous admin services director did give us an estimate on how much revenue this could be, assuming a gross receipts timeframe of between one and a half and two years and an estimated sales of 10 mil. The estimate is that the city could receive if we put into effect a 10% cannabis business tax of up to a million dollars. And this is consistent with the case study from San Rafael that we did and presented at our October 2018 meeting. |
| 03:17:40.74 | Calvin Chan | Lastly, jumping to the very last bullet, our recommendation is for you to receive this presentation, which you have just received, and to provide direction on the steps in that chart that has been displayed on the screen previously. I recommend that we might want to go back to that chart to assist our discussions. I'll stop my presentation here and am available for any questions that you may have. Thank you. |
| 03:18:07.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:18:07.27 | Calvin Chan | TO BE ABLE |
| 03:18:07.35 | Jonathon Goldman | QUESTIONS. |
| 03:18:07.54 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:18:07.64 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:18:07.66 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:18:07.67 | Jonathon Goldman | Ms. Jones. |
| 03:18:09.18 | Unknown | Um, Thank you, Calvin. That was a very clear and concise presentation. I've been reading recently that this marijuana business is not turning out to be as lucrative as some had projected. So I will be interested to see financial projections as we move forward considering ordinances. I read, for example, that in the city of Los Angeles, a person purchasing a $50 eighth of weed is now subject to a 9.5% city and state tax, the 15% state excise tax, and a 10% recreational tax. So that $50 eighth now costs $67.50. In West Hollywood, it costs $62.25. And so not everybody is choosing. People don't have to pay the tax if they register and have medical marijuana delivered to them. And so I will be interested. Have you already started, or will you be presenting us a financial analysis of the revenue you believe we can generate through the ballot measure? |
| 03:19:22.19 | Calvin Chan | In the future, definitely, we will provide that information. At our October 2018 meeting, we did go through some case examples of Samerfell, Marysville, and also the city and county of San Diego. they have passed their special cannabis excise tax. And based on their different constraints and opportunities and their local specifications, they have come up with those estimates. For example, San Rafael, the estimate up to a million dollars, which is consistent with our estimate. But that depends on a lot of factors, how many licenses, what the rates are for different people along the supply chain. You don't have to tax them all the same. They can be different depending on if they're at the very front or at the very end. So there's a lot of different variables that would go into that analysis. |
| 03:20:09.09 | Unknown | So to put a measure on the ballot costs us at least $35,000, |
| 03:20:14.88 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:20:14.91 | Adam Politzer | I take your word for it. |
| 03:20:15.50 | Unknown | City manager. |
| 03:20:16.97 | Adam Politzer | It depends on what else is on the ballot. |
| 03:20:20.06 | Unknown | And if we, um, Boy, I just lost it. Let's see. |
| 03:20:33.97 | Jonathon Goldman | You want us to come back here? |
| 03:20:34.25 | Unknown | I'll have to. |
| 03:20:34.76 | Unknown | Yeah, I'll have to come back. |
| 03:20:37.29 | Jonathon Goldman | Susan, any questions? |
| 03:20:38.84 | Unknown | Yeah, I have two questions. One, so if we don't pass, if we don't go to the ballot, is there no tax that would apply to just a distributor or a? That was my question. I mean, isn't our business license tax fairly broad now that we just revised it? |
| 03:20:55.90 | Unknown | Yeah, I think your business license tax would apply. I'd have to look to make sure we don't have to amend it for this particular use. But I think what Calvin's referring to is this specific excise tax that the state allows us to impose on marijuana distribution and sale. So it's an additional tax. tax. |
| 03:21:19.98 | Unknown | Can I just follow on? Right now, San Rafael is the only licensed distribution center in Marin, so they're collecting the tax we would be entitled to if we allowed a distribution center in Sausalito. Is that right? |
| 03:21:33.03 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:21:33.04 | Jonathon Goldman | The point of sale is here. Thank you. |
| 03:21:35.41 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:21:35.59 | Jonathon Goldman | So it becomes a sales tax, but it's collected as an excise tax, correct? Yes. |
| 03:21:38.56 | Unknown | All right. Thank you. And then, other than San Rafael or any other jurisdictions in Marin, exploring non-storefront opportunities. |
| 03:21:52.18 | Calvin Chan | I've only looked at certain levels of case studies, but I can bring those examples back to you at a future date. |
| 03:22:00.45 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:22:00.47 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:22:00.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:01.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:01.78 | Unknown | This is scary. |
| 03:22:02.27 | Jonathon Goldman | It's... Thank you. |
| 03:22:03.13 | Unknown | you |
| 03:22:03.40 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. I'm sorry, are you done? Thank you. |
| 03:22:05.51 | Unknown | to have a good job. |
| 03:22:06.95 | Jonathon Goldman | Have you heard the state And I was looking for, as you were speaking, MANDATING THAT COMMUNITIES CANNOT not allow delivery any longer they're pushing and that's I don't know if it's going to go a B it looks like it's just going to be there. The CDB doing the CB be doing that. |
| 03:22:29.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:30.76 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 03:22:30.98 | Calvin Chan | with the BCC. BCC. So I did highlight at our October 2018, and back then, at that staff presentation, it was still proposed regulations. So we have new regulations that were adopted last Wednesday. And I believe between the proposed and the new, it's the same, and it's that cities and local jurisdictions, we can't restrict delivery, either medical or recreational or adult adult use and we can't place any barriers on that. So if there's a question as to whether or not our interim marijuana ordinance is in compliance with these new regulations, my sense is that the only place where we're potentially out of compliance is that requirement that businesses register or notify the city. Thus far, we've only had two businesses register and notify the city. And we went through at our last city council meeting in October, some of the difficulties with enforcing that regulation, especially if other people around us don't require |
| 03:22:58.18 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 03:22:58.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:58.23 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 03:22:58.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:22:58.30 | Kile Pile | you. |
| 03:23:31.96 | Unknown | thoughts. Safe to say if we don't do something, the state's going to do it anyway. I think we will do whatever's best for our community. |
| 03:23:38.98 | Calvin Chan | Yeah. |
| 03:23:39.03 | Unknown | I'm not going to be a |
| 03:23:39.34 | Calvin Chan | Yeah. |
| 03:23:39.40 | Unknown | for a committee. |
| 03:23:40.11 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:23:40.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:23:40.38 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:23:40.43 | Unknown | you |
| 03:23:44.57 | Unknown | Thanks, Calvin. So I'm starting at the top here. I've got a bunch of questions. Not many, a bunch of questions. I'm starting at the top of the presentation. So the permanent regulations that have been issued, that were issued last week, which I haven't had a chance to go through yet. I know pretty well the workings of the initial regulations. Is there anything different that would, because I've been asking, let me give it back, I've been asking the question, okay, I almost asked the question last time we renewed the urgency ordinance, why are we doing this instead of just making what we've already decided permanent? And the answer was, well, the state's going to change their regulations, da, da, da. We need to wait. Well, now they've issued them. So is there anything in there, other than what we've just described about the requirement of reporting and notifying us, is there anything that would now preclude – let's put the non-storefront aside for a second. I'll come back to that in a minute. Is there anything now that we've learned from the permanent regulations that wouldn't say, let's turn our urgency ordinance with the way we've got it now, probably getting rid of the requirement, noticing requirement, to just go ahead as soon as possible and turn this from an urgency ordinance into a permanent ordinance? Is there anything in those regulations, permanent regulations, that give us polls that we need to continue this urgency ordinance? |
| 03:25:20.89 | Calvin Chan | Serge, can we go to the second slide, please? Right after the title. |
| 03:25:30.85 | Calvin Chan | So at the bottom of the screen, we have what is allowed by our inter-emergency ordinance. And to answer your question, Councilmember, I don't believe there is anything that's significantly different between the proposed that we saw last October and the permanent non-emergency regulations that were adopted last Wednesday. So if Sausalito wanted to make these interim or regulations permanent. And we can do that. And we can still at the same time explore non-storefront businesses. OK, thanks. |
| 03:25:34.27 | Kile Pile | Uh-huh. |
| 03:26:02.98 | Unknown | With regards to, you did a really good job of describing retail, storefront, non-storefront, distributor, because what a lot of people make the mistake, they think retail delivery is a distributor and it's totally different things, right? Yes. In the sense, right. But you did mention that the concept that staff is analyzing is a non-storefront, business that is going to be, in a sense, a delivery center? that could deliver outside of Sausalito and deliver inside Sausalito from a warehouse. asking whether this is what we've got in mind. Where you have a warehouse, Into that warehouse will come already packaged and manufactured goods and out of the warehouse would then go Delivery retail delivery is that what we're talking about correct orders? |
| 03:27:00.05 | Calvin Chan | Correct. Orders to customers, yes. |
| 03:27:01.90 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:27:02.66 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:27:02.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:27:02.87 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:27:03.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:27:03.08 | Calvin Chan | So it's not distribution, really. So distribution would be a separate licensing with different, I would say, menu of services that they offer. So that would be the third bullet. What we were just describing a second ago was the non-storefront retailer, a distributor, as I understand, they can't sell to customers. |
| 03:27:22.64 | Unknown | Right. So why would we have a distribution center in there? Instead of just... |
| 03:27:26.39 | Calvin Chan | instead of just... |
| 03:27:27.37 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:27:27.39 | Calvin Chan | So it's something |
| 03:27:27.98 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 03:27:28.16 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:27:28.18 | Unknown | can explore. All right. I see. |
| 03:27:28.23 | Calvin Chan | and explore. |
| 03:27:31.98 | Unknown | And then you know, you've done a really good job of outlining a process in a public process, and that's the problem. It's a long public process, correctly and rightly so, a public process, but it's long. And therefore, that's why I'm wondering, why don't we decouple, putting a simple ordinance in place that we've all agreed to, from the analysis that's going to occur? And so I wanted to confirm that those two things could be on separate tracks. Yes, they can be on separate tracks. |
| 03:28:05.69 | Jonathon Goldman | What did this explain that again? |
| 03:28:07.89 | Unknown | Okay, so we've already got an urgency ordinance in place that allows delivery of medical and recreational and marijuana. And the state said that you can't regulate it anyway, so that's awesome, even though we've got an ordinance, right? But we have to, because of the fact that if you don't |
| 03:28:08.24 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm not. |
| 03:28:15.41 | Unknown | And the state said that there was a |
| 03:28:18.68 | Kile Pile | that toss. |
| 03:28:27.17 | Unknown | prohibit uses, they're automatically allowed under this, right? Calvin, is that right? Correct, and that's why we had to do that. Right, put the urgency ordinance in place. |
| 03:28:33.03 | Calvin Chan | Correct. the first. |
| 03:28:38.09 | Unknown | We can change that, we have until November, we have to put a permanent ordinance in place. We have to. Times run out for us to be able to put another urgency ordinance in place, right? Correct, we cannot extend it. We got it until November. So what I'm saying is, |
| 03:28:53.74 | Kile Pile | We cannot extend it. |
| 03:28:57.46 | Unknown | I'm worried that in a thorough analysis in public process, which is going to need to occur to discuss a non-storefront and its placement somewhere in Sausalito, and guess where the only place you're going to be able to put it is the marineship. God knows what that's going to create in terms of public discussion. Why not decouple, and can we decouple, putting the permanent ordinance in place for delivery from this long process of analyzing the thing? And so I'm wondering, is staff saying they want to wait and go to the very end before converting from the urgency ordinance to the permanent ordinance? or do you see any pros and cons of just getting the simple delivery thing done while we analyze the non-storefront? Do you understand my question? |
| 03:29:48.09 | Calvin Chan | I understand your question. I think there's pros and cons to both of the different measures that you take. We can approach one track and still do the separate one. We can do the one first and then the second one. They can run concurrently. So it's whatever the council desires and to direct staff this evening. |
| 03:29:48.11 | Unknown | I know. |
| 03:30:06.67 | Unknown | The other thing is, have you guys looked at all at the micro business concept? Thank you. |
| 03:30:15.44 | Calvin Chan | So the micro business, I read a little bit about it today. It would require that the person have at least three out of four license types. And also, I think they can grow on an area up to 10,000 square feet. I don't know if that's something that is suitable for our characteristics here, but that's definitely something that we can explore if the council would like us to. |
| 03:30:38.83 | Unknown | Yeah, but you don't have to have the manufacturer side of it. You can have just other businesses, other components of the value chain bundled together, or maybe not. I don't know. I'm asking the question. |
| 03:30:49.90 | Calvin Chan | Oh, I'm asking the question. Yeah, there's different levels of licenses. And my understanding is that that person would need to, that micro business would need to obtain at least three of the four cannabis license types that are issued by the state. And whether or not we could find someone that wants to do all those, that's definitely something we could. |
| 03:31:08.72 | Unknown | Yeah, so that doesn't sound really suitable. |
| 03:31:12.38 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:31:12.40 | Jonathon Goldman | That's it. |
| 03:31:12.73 | Calvin Chan | Thank you. |
| 03:31:15.18 | Jonathon Goldman | Your questions get answered? I have no other questions, anything? So thank you. We're going to open it up to public comment. And it looks like we have one coming up. I should have asked earlier if you have. You can come on up, sir. OK, great. Yep, here they come. Anybody else wanna speak on this? I have one card now and it is from Eric. |
| 03:31:38.20 | Eric Sklar | Mayor, council members, good to be here tonight. Calvin did a great job. Lily and Calvin have been working really hard, I know, to understand this very complicated new set of regulations that have just gone into place, but also just the environment that everything operates under. So my name is Eric Sklar. I'm here with my business partner, Alyssa Hambrick. We have a company called Fume. I live in St. Helena, where I was a council member, and before you stole away our great public works director and got your own great public works director. I worked with Jonathan, which was a joy. I live in St. Helena. Alyssa lives in San Francisco. Most of our business is concentrated in Lake County. I do have a boat that is in your harbor that has been here for 10 years, so I spend a lot of time here and love your community. We are a vertically integrated business. We do everything. We have a big cultivation outdoor in Lake County at one end. At the other end, we do delivery. We now deliver into Sausalito under the Ease banner, the company that we partner with, which is a technology company. But it's our dispensary that does the work. We buy the product. You described it exactly perfectly, Councilmember. We buy retail product that's been packaged by manufacturers. We store it in a safe, secure storage room. We pack it into cases, like size of suitcases. We put them in cars that we own. Our drivers then drive from Clear Lake down to Sausalito and Marin and Napa, Sonoma, and they get orders sent to them on their phone, just like an Uber driver does, gets their next ride request. So they get the order. They show up at the house 25 minutes later, mostly credit card, which I think surprises people. It's not as big a cash business as most people think. And we deliver the product, we look at the purchasers, driver's license is on the driver's phone, so they compare the picture, they get a signature, and they head out. |
| 03:31:38.27 | Jonathon Goldman | character. |
| 03:32:01.60 | Kile Pile | Correct. |
| 03:33:13.36 | Eric Sklar | It's a very small warehouse. He describes the warehouse. We only use about 2,000 square feet for delivering to all three of these counties. The warehouse does not have to be very big. It's very low impact. It's not marked. There's no signage. You need a little bit of parking, but not a ton because the drivers come in and, you know, kind of staggered shifts to pick up their cases. So a couple parking spaces for the drivers and a couple for the packing staff and the manager is all you need. We have to put a heavy amount of security in, but it's usually not that noticeable from the outside. A lot of cameras, a lot of motion detectors, that sort of thing. And as Calvin pointed out, Clear Lake did a really good job at crafting a very tailored ordinance that ensured the things they cared most about, which was safety and security and so on, into the ordinance that you'll see when you look at it. It's a very low impact business. The biggest thing about being allowed to operate here for us is that we'll be a much greener business if we do. Rather than having our drivers drive for an hour and a half to get to where they're going to spend the day and then go back at the end of the day, they can start here. For Sausalito, very little impact, but yet because the point of sale is in our building, you get the sales tax from all the sales we do for San Rafael and Terralinda and so on. Please. I'm sorry because I'm going to give you more |
| 03:34:22.97 | Jonathon Goldman | Can you tell us, without divulging your location, but what does your distribution center look like as far as the neighbors, the zoning, THE NEIGHBORS. |
| 03:34:34.32 | Eric Sklar | Yeah, we're in a very small industrial park with about 10 buildings, so there's a few houses nearby, but not that close. There's no schools or anything like that nearby. We're kind of off on the side of town. It's a different situation here. It's clear there's only one real area to do this. I know that that's an area that has lots of political energy and that there'll be some concerns from people there. But I think we can demonstrate to the folks in that area, the other businesses, that it's really low impact. It's less impact than the diesel shop that fixes my outboard and that sort of thing. It's quiet, it's clean, there's no odor that emanates from it because everything is already in sealed packages. It's really low impact. But if you imagine, it's just like any kind of row of warehouses where you've got maybe one bay, 2,000 square feet, with a roll-up door and a human door, and that's about it. |
| 03:34:34.36 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:35:22.91 | Eric Sklar | And I'm happy to answer any questions. I've pretty much said everything I need to say. |
| 03:35:26.74 | Unknown | Thanks. OK, so thanks for, I was obviously clearly thinking about the warehouse concept, but what about this micro business concept that, is there anything there that we should be exploring or should we just be focusing on this non-storefront warehouse concept? |
| 03:35:43.88 | Eric Sklar | there. |
| 03:35:50.90 | Eric Sklar | It's a really good question, council member. In general, the micro-businesses want to grow, because the reason they do the micro-business is so they can capture more of the value chain. |
| 03:35:58.90 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:35:59.10 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 03:36:01.72 | Eric Sklar | because buying cannabis now is inconsistent. It's got to be tested to such a high level. It's hard to find product for some smaller businesses. So I think they'll want to have the cultivation And I don't think that's something you want to mess with yet. Because that indoor cultivation, it's a big water user. And I know, like our city of St. Helena, water is a real issue here. And so I think it's challenging. As Calvin said also, you have to find an operator who wants to do just the ones you want. And I think it would be a challenge. You also asked about the distributor, which is business to business. It's a wholesale business. That requires more space, but it's also a very clean business because they're bringing in packaged product and shipping it out. And you could attach an excise tax to that and generate some good revenue off, again, a relatively low impact business. On taxes, since we're talking about that, I want to mention one thing, and your city attorney will want to look at it and maybe talk to the folks in Clear Lake, |
| 03:36:49.41 | Kile Pile | I'm sorry. |
| 03:36:53.39 | Eric Sklar | because they knew it would take a while to put something on the ballot, they want to do it during a regular scheduled election so they keep the costs down. It ends up being very, very cheap if you just had a council initiated ballot initiative during an existing election, right, versus a special election. Their city attorney with outside counsel said that they could do a development agreement with the people who got CUPs and put a 5% tax on that we can pass on to our customers as part of a development agreement, which is advantageous because it's simple, it's easy. If you're only gonna have a couple of businesses, And they're willing to do that. They can say, no, I don't want to do business here. we would be willing to do that. It allows you to avoid the election process, get a tax going from the day you issue the CU, or maybe when occupancy occurs, rather than waiting for an election to occur. Okay. |
| 03:37:38.63 | Unknown | to go. Definitely something to look into, that's great. |
| 03:37:42.17 | Eric Sklar | I would say that the 10% is high. We're paying 5% in Clear Lake. As the council member described, council member Cox described, there are a lot of layered taxes here. And the risk is if you pile on too much, then again, people are going to go somewhere else and we're going to pick the city we work with based on something reasonable. We're very willing to pay an additional tax to the locale that's willing to let us be there. But you do have to balance that against the risk of |
| 03:38:03.73 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 03:38:06.73 | Eric Sklar | having people just buy somewhere else because it's 10% cheaper, or medical. Although I would say that the medical thing that you brought up, while somewhat true, is fading. |
| 03:38:09.67 | Kile Pile | MET. |
| 03:38:14.15 | Eric Sklar | The medical side of things is really shrinking fast. It's just an inconvenience. The only people who really care about it most, sadly, are 18 to 21-year-olds, because they're allowed to buy medical but not adult use. |
| 03:38:30.45 | Eric Sklar | Thank you. |
| 03:38:30.47 | Jonathon Goldman | Any other questions? |
| 03:38:31.74 | Eric Sklar | Thank you. Thank you. Mr. I would just add that we're really looking forward to working with you on crafting this just right for your community. The Clear Lake thing is a good starting point, but I'm sure that there'll be unique things to your community that we are very sensitive to and want to work with you on. Thank you. Mr. Thanks for your general information. |
| 03:38:47.04 | Jonathon Goldman | Any other public comment? Seeing none. Lilly, nothing? |
| 03:38:51.67 | Unknown | you |
| 03:38:52.83 | Jonathon Goldman | closing public comment and bring it back up here for our comments. And we have a couple items here to discuss. So I'll kind of prompt you here. on what we want to do. Thank you, Kelvin. Or thank you, who's running that? |
| 03:39:14.60 | Jonathon Goldman | How do you feel about a Task Force. |
| 03:39:21.28 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. So you turn the microphone. |
| 03:39:22.68 | Unknown | So, The... I mean, this is all good, right, in terms of a good, robust, public outreach process, thorough analysis. OK. So this year, we're driving down the path. We got the general plan going on. The big elephant in the room in the general plan is the marineship-specific plan, or that everybody's being nice at the moment. And it's not brewed up yet for bright. |
| 03:39:53.95 | Unknown | Right. that tries to drive. |
| 03:39:55.22 | Unknown | Okay, you may surprise me. I will be optimistic that we will get through and figure out how we're going to deal with the marineship. As we all know, the only place you could put this business is the marineship. |
| 03:39:55.28 | Unknown | Okay, you may surprise me. |
| 03:40:12.38 | Unknown | I mean, there's nowhere else in Sausalito you can put this business. We've basically now got another group forming that's going to be dealing with sensitive political issues around the marineship, and we're all going to be going off in different directions. So that's my big worry here, right? And that's why, as a beginning, I want to decouple putting a permanent, simple permanent ordinance in place about what we've already agreed, and we've already have the language for our urgency ordinance. It's already there. All we've got to do is drag it up and send it to the Planning Commission, right? I mean, is that right, Lily? Okay. And we could get that out of the way. Otherwise, we're going to be rushing. Well, we've got the general plan going on. We've got this going on. We're going to be rushing to craft an ordinance for something new that we don't quite understand when we've already got language in place and an urgency deadline of November to get a permanent ordinance in place. So that's my worry. |
| 03:41:20.59 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. Oh. |
| 03:41:21.82 | Unknown | And if I mean, And yes, I'm very supportive of this analysis. We should figure out if the community wants this, we want this, and it's going to get us any money. |
| 03:41:36.53 | Jonathon Goldman | Any other thoughts on that? |
| 03:41:39.71 | Unknown | Do you want to go? Sure. I am not volunteering for anything, but I will say that Thank you. my firm does a whole lot of advice for these types of ordinances. So for me, the bandwidth to create an ordinance is That's fairly easy. Spell that with a J? |
| 03:42:00.45 | Jonathon Goldman | You spell that with a J? |
| 03:42:01.58 | Unknown | particularly with the assistance of Eric Sklar and you know, I don't see crafting an ordinance to be a heavy lift at all. I do see the, I do agree with you with the importance of doing a community survey to see what it is our residents want. And I do think the economic analysis is important to understand exactly how much revenue we could collect, especially if we took Mr. Sklar's advice and confined ourselves to 5%. |
| 03:42:34.57 | Unknown | But how do you, may I just probe this a little bit before? How do you avoid the conversation being not about the business and whether we want this use, but simply about the marineship? |
| 03:42:37.42 | Unknown | a little bit. |
| 03:42:49.05 | Unknown | How do we avoid that? |
| 03:42:50.55 | Unknown | Well, if you think about where the distribution center was, for years. It was in the maroon ship. And so we're not really changing much if you look at it in that way. And I think Calvin is very smart to put a GPAC member on the task force. So I don't see time as an impediment. I'm not addressing politics, but I don't see time in crafting an ordinance to be an impediment. |
| 03:43:26.00 | Unknown | Do you see the downside, however, is there a downside of just flipping our urgency ordinance into a permanent one? |
| 03:43:33.40 | Unknown | you |
| 03:43:33.99 | Unknown | You lose economies of scale. You're now doing two different processes. You're creating an ordinance for the distribution of medical and recreational marijuana, and now you have to do a new ordinance for the creation of a distribution center and the taxation of that center. |
| 03:43:49.90 | Unknown | We do that all the time. |
| 03:43:51.26 | Unknown | True. I'll remind you that we passed 18 new ordinances last year alone. |
| 03:44:02.49 | Unknown | Just on the timing front, I would be in favor of just calendaring you know, on our future, future, future agenda items in September, just a check in to see where we are. the, Just adopting the same regulations that we already have about delivery, unless something crazy happens between now and then, it's going to be fairly simple. So, and it doesn't need to happen until November. So I think, I agree with Joan, economies of scale would be to have us address any issues that we're going to address with cannabis all in one go. But if by September or early October we haven't made any progress or we've gotten some political landmine. then we'll just schedule the delivery to continue. That would be my preference. I wouldn't just move forward right now with the permanent ordinance. There's no need to. not a great use of staff resources in my opinion. I would wait. On the, sorry, on the, |
| 03:45:06.71 | Unknown | I don't go. |
| 03:45:10.12 | Unknown | how much time and effort this is going to take. I mean, it's very hard for me to tell sitting here today, whether this will be kind of a collective shrug It's a similar use as many in the marinship. It's not, we're not proposing office, we're not proposing housing, we're not proposing a restaurant or a brewery. You know, it's a similar use that goes on, I mean, as Mr. Sklauer described, it looks like any other distribution Enterprise, which is one of the industrial, light industrial uses permitted in the Marin ship. And we already have a survey that indicated about 70 plus percent of our population was generally in favor of, you know, voted 70 plus percent for the state law allowing legalization of marijuana. It could be an issue. but it may not be. And so I guess I'd be in favor of kind of starting down the process. and seeing what kind of initial public feedback demonstrates before we conclude that it's going to be incredibly onerous or controversial. |
| 03:46:31.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:46:32.02 | Unknown | and |
| 03:46:33.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:46:34.02 | Unknown | MY FAMILY. |
| 03:46:34.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:46:37.35 | Jonathon Goldman | I frankly would do the ordinance early, but there is no, the state's beaten us to everything, right? I mean, and they're going to beat us to the tax recharge and they're going to beat us to the zoning regulations. They're going to get there before we do. I really do not want to conduct another community survey Without without suggesting a location or site or at least a a close enough proximity not just friendship even narrowed down a bit for that is just it's it's useless to keep asking the same question getting the same 73 to 77 percent response rate no matter how we pose it. That number's not going anywhere. That number only changes when we say it's at location B. And then it's going to go to either 50, 55, 48. That's where we're going to have our first glitch in the system is when we locate a system. So why wait? Let's have a group, let's figure out a spot, then conduct a community survey. |
| 03:47:33.88 | Unknown | Do we want to advertise where it's going to be? and thereby subject it to make it more vulnerable. |
| 03:47:41.98 | Jonathon Goldman | That's why I don't, well first of all, we can't really just take somebody's personal property and suggest that's where we're going to do it. |
| 03:47:47.70 | Unknown | But I mean, I suggest we could say, you know, in this region, but I would hesitate to identify a spot where it's going to go. because I'm concerned that would perhaps, this, it, it, I believe, Mr. Sklar, that it's not the cash business that many people think it is, but I do believe there is still a cash business. He did speak about high security, And so I just would be about identifying a precise location. |
| 03:48:20.83 | Unknown | Well, another approach is also just this development agreement I love that. approach, which sounds like it has a lot of advantages. We wouldn't have to do any change of zoning until we have a proposal from an interested individual with a particular piece of property. And then we could as we would with any land use decision, it would get plenty of public outreach through the Planning Commission and that process, and we wouldn't really have to decide it We'd know who was interested. |
| 03:48:53.90 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:48:54.48 | Unknown | um, I mean, that's another approach is kind of a wait and see, let anyone who approaches us know that we, as a council, interested in I mean, not committed to, but interested in a proposal through a development agreement. We could address the tax issue, the zoning issues, to the extent that they're already consistent with the marineship. I mean, I guess, We have the ballot issue, but so Anyway, maybe that should be kind of one thing to have staff explore at least. And it could be vetted. you know, we could vet any specific development agreement through a working group, or whatever. But maybe we should just wait till we have a proposal. I mean, I'm not opposed to this process, but I think this development agreement idea both avoids going through a long process and then have no takers kind of at the end of it. We don't, I mean, it's not really clear what the market |
| 03:49:48.16 | Kile Pile | . |
| 03:49:48.19 | Unknown | I'm not a fan. |
| 03:49:53.93 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:50:03.55 | Unknown | I agree, and I think that helps address Joe's point, which I think is very well taken, that we have surveyed people to death. |
| 03:50:10.75 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Some of the feedback, not feedback, but I've in that 70%, you know, that's a group of people as well. And at one point of it, there's a large percentage that just expects that we're going to have a retail location at some point, a storefront. lights and the whole thing. So should we start having that, I don't want to have that conversation frankly because I don't want to convolute the two things we're talking about right now. I don't want to start doing that. But the community wants us to start having that conversation. |
| 03:50:37.38 | Kile Pile | I don't want to start. |
| 03:50:43.27 | Jonathon Goldman | The only reason I bring that up now is, should we start getting a task force or a work group together that gets the experience of going through this type of process that can start to say, you know, we're on a path here. The cars are zooming past us. um... In fact, the state just passed us in a truck. Thank you. I'm not sure. So we want to keep the visual of us on the highway. So you know should we start taking the serious with a with a with the task force. But, thought of that prior to this development agreement thing that which is a much more appealing and I saw you perk up like it's a real LAND USE POSSIBILITY, AND THEY SEEM TO MAKE IT WORK. I'd sure like to look at that. |
| 03:51:27.09 | Unknown | I mean, the way I look at it is the reality is we wouldn't get to a point where we're going to have some unlimited number of permits probably anyway. We're probably going to get to be a small town. We're a small community. |
| 03:51:35.82 | Kile Pile | small town. |
| 03:51:38.47 | Unknown | emerging industry, we're probably only going to get to a couple permits to begin with. I mean, I'm not exactly sure. It's probably not gonna be. |
| 03:51:48.69 | Unknown | A massive number. I'd be surprised if we had more than one or two. Right. Two would be great, because I never liked one. I mean, I know of two. |
| 03:51:48.86 | Unknown | A massive number. Two would be great. I mean, I know of two. Yeah, but so this would allow us, and then we could kind of see how it goes, and then we can adopt permanent regulations if it's warranted. but I mean, |
| 03:52:05.47 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 03:52:05.48 | Unknown | but. |
| 03:52:05.70 | Kile Pile | you |
| 03:52:07.24 | Unknown | You know, I'd like to get feedback eventually, maybe probably not on the fly. but from our city attorney and staff about The development. Yeah, I mean, whether everything could kind of be wrapped into that vehicle. |
| 03:52:15.86 | Unknown | with our other. |
| 03:52:20.62 | Unknown | Well, maybe the direction for tonight is to direct staff to come back to us about the feasibility of the development agreement. If that's a feasible approach, maybe we don't need to form a task force right now. Perhaps we can address this as it comes. |
| 03:52:36.77 | Jonathon Goldman | And then get word out that we are open to somebody coming in and asking for a CV. |
| 03:52:41.09 | Unknown | We published in the... |
| 03:52:42.46 | Jonathon Goldman | I don't remember. |
| 03:52:42.74 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 03:52:43.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:52:43.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:52:43.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:52:43.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:52:43.32 | Unknown | . Well, I mean, if we wanted to vote, I don't know if we can vote on something that's not really on the thing. But yeah, I think if we gave staff direction unanimously that we were open to that, then that's. indication. |
| 03:53:00.14 | Jonathon Goldman | Kelvin, does that give you something? |
| 03:53:03.01 | Unknown | I mean, I would, I'll go along with the idea of not doing this, flipping this to a permanent ordinance. But I'm telling you, if it comes to September and we're scrambling, and I don't want to be up here saying, I told you so. This was going to happen. Let's go over the risk. If we don't get it, |
| 03:53:20.97 | Jonathon Goldman | The state says you have to do it anyway. What do we lose? |
| 03:53:23.36 | Unknown | if you, there's no way we're gonna miss the deadline. |
| 03:53:27.72 | Unknown | Thank you. That's right. |
| 03:53:28.22 | Unknown | I mean, it would be, if we miss the deadline, |
| 03:53:29.03 | Unknown | It would be. |
| 03:53:32.42 | Unknown | then anybody can do anything they want. Anything. Anywhere. All the corporate policy. Including stores. |
| 03:53:36.44 | Unknown | including storefronts |
| 03:53:37.92 | Unknown | Thank you. Yes, included. |
| 03:53:38.84 | Unknown | So let's just give direction to staff to put this on the calendar for the first meeting in September. |
| 03:53:42.67 | Unknown | The first meeting in September. |
| 03:53:43.70 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 03:53:44.91 | Unknown | The permanent, if we haven't already done something in the interim. THE END OF THE END OF THE And then the Agenda Setting Committee can always move it, but it will be a placeholder so that it doesn't slip through the cracks. |
| 03:53:51.22 | Unknown | And then the agenda setting |
| 03:53:58.55 | Unknown | and then And it'll be superseded. That's the first thing we'll do tonight. And then the second thing we would do tonight is direct staff to explore the feasibility of using development agreements, at least initially, to address. |
| 03:54:01.11 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 03:54:01.16 | Megan Lockett | and it'll be- |
| 03:54:01.80 | Unknown | for you. |
| 03:54:01.97 | Kile Pile | I see this. |
| 03:54:13.90 | Unknown | interest and whether all of the issues that we would need to address. in an ordinance could be dealt with with a development agreement. or whether we should And then if we do get a proposal through a development agreement, we would design a public process that would probably look something like this. But we wouldn't do that until we had an application. I think that makes a lot of sense. |
| 03:54:45.53 | Unknown | How do you actually solicit those applications? if you're not working on something that does anybody know that you're actually going to do this. |
| 03:54:54.74 | Unknown | I don't want to do this. We have a noticed meeting and then we publish in the current. that we've taken this action. |
| 03:55:05.49 | Unknown | And I would say if a development, if the city attorney doesn't believe the development agreement approach is feasible, then we would return to something like Calvin has proposed. But it seems as though the development agreement could save us some |
| 03:55:20.19 | Jonathon Goldman | Can I? |
| 03:55:23.39 | Unknown | I mean, Ray, I was trying to address your concern about getting bogged down in some |
| 03:55:27.17 | Jonathon Goldman | you Thank you. |
| 03:55:27.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:55:27.43 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Eric, can I ask you a question again? I'm sorry. Thank you. both with your Clear Lake or what you might see elsewhere, how many of these buildings are owned and how many are leased? And how's that? Because that was always a tenant issue before. How's that looking now? |
| 03:55:43.14 | Eric Sklar | It's a great question. I was hoping you'd ask me to talk about that because there's a chicken and egg problem here, right? Most, I mean we rent our buildings in Clear Lake. We have a landlord who owns them outright. He doesn't have a bank loan. And he's happy to see these businesses come in because we pay a little more rent than some of the other tenants he's had in the past. The challenge here with the process you're talking about For instance, I've heard this tonight, and if you take this action, I'm gonna go get a real estate agent tomorrow and try to find a building to rent. I gotta find a property that ideally that I can rent rather than buy, that's my preference, because I don't wanna be in the real estate business, I wanna be in the cannabis delivery business. I then have to rent that building without knowing whether there's ever gonna be a law here that allows me to do it at all, and have to hold it for that length of time. So that's a challenge, But that's a challenge anyway. If you start working on ordinance at some point, I'm going to say, okay, I better get a building so that I can come up with a CEP application real quickly afterwards if you're only an issue a couple of them. So it's a problem either way. Listening in the back of the room as you talked about the idea of a development agreement, I was really focused on it as a tool to get the taxing thing going. But it's a broader tool, as the vice mayor suggested. It could be something that you use and say, listen, submit your application and then address it from there on. It's certainly done that way, too. It's really your call in terms of what you think will be a better path for you. It's certainly going to be less labor-intensive in the short run for you and your staff. |
| 03:57:03.67 | Jonathon Goldman | That whole CUP process, too, totally tells everybody where the business is. It does. I mean, not that it's against that process, but that's. |
| 03:57:07.53 | Eric Sklar | Thank you. |
| 03:57:07.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:07.58 | Eric Sklar | It's a very good thing. |
| 03:57:07.97 | Unknown | Thank you. It does. |
| 03:57:10.97 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:57:14.25 | Eric Sklar | One thing, the Vice Mayor also said that, you know, you're not sure whether it's going to be kind of a big shrug or not. It's been interesting. We've worked in a lot of different communities all through Napa where they're all saying no so far. But, At every meeting that's occurred in every city in Napa that we've gone to, all five cities, Um, there are many more people supporting an ordinance than opposing it. Sometimes it's just one or two people and it's often the superintendent of schools or maybe the head of a youth group. So youth is almost always the single biggest thing that people are concerned about. After that in Napa because of the wine industry too, inebriated driving is a big concern. I think it is for all of us, but particularly we have that issue in Napa. Um, there's just not a lot of public outcry that I've seen from it. Often the councils are much more resistant |
| 03:57:58.14 | Kile Pile | The Press. |
| 03:57:59.32 | Eric Sklar | than the people, and that's just something we've observed. Because you guys have, for the one you're gonna have to, you know, take responsibility for it. If it doesn't work, you know, you're the ones who will get blamed. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of opposition, particularly for these non-storefront where they have almost no impact on anybody. |
| 03:58:14.71 | Unknown | it. I don't know if this is a question for you or for staff, but so we have a couple schools down on the north end of town are close to the Marin ship. Is it 1,000 foot? |
| 03:58:27.25 | Eric Sklar | The rule is that the state says we want you to have a 500 foot distance from any school K through 12. But they say the cities, you can make it a bigger distance or you can eliminate it altogether and you can apply it to just K through 12 or you can say, The city of Napa said dance studios and karate studios were included too, which made it almost impossible to find a space in Napa, which I think is what the council wanted to do. They said, we'll do it because the citizens wanted it, and they made it impossible to actually find a space. So it's really in your hands, the distance from schools. Again, the main reason to have a distance from a school is a retail store that has walk-in customers, because you don't want kids necessarily walking right by the front when people are coming in and out. Even though we have liquor stores all over the place where that's the case, so I'm not sure that's even a big deal. But that tends to be where the issue is not on a warehouse type situation where you don't even, nobody would know it's a marijuana business. We're not going to tell anybody. The only reason people know is because the CUP process because it is public. |
| 03:59:17.15 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 03:59:23.27 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 03:59:23.51 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 03:59:24.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:59:24.86 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. |
| 03:59:25.62 | Eric Sklar | My pleasure. |
| 03:59:28.25 | Jonathon Goldman | Champagne and caviar. |
| 03:59:29.92 | Unknown | Well, so another option tonight would be to ask staff to explore the development agreement concept and then if that doesn't pan out and they make that decision then we would agree on some parameters tonight so that we don't have to Come back come back at 11 o'clock and some of the night |
| 03:59:47.76 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, and we're gonna come to the same challenges, this path or the development agreement path. And it's gonna be finding the space where someone's gonna take the |
| 03:59:53.61 | Unknown | Yeah, no, at some point we will have to go through this. Thank you. Yeah, I mean we definitely want input, however, whether it's going to happen. |
| 03:59:58.94 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. So are we okay with that path at this point, just doing the development? |
| 04:00:04.41 | Unknown | The only thing to answer then is the community survey aspect. Based on your comments, we may want to give staff some additional direction on items B and C. in terms of options for community engagement. Because I think we're all agreeing that A is |
| 04:00:21.86 | Jonathon Goldman | I would hold those right now. |
| 04:00:23.72 | Unknown | Yeah, so hold off on B and C. |
| 04:00:25.08 | Unknown | I don't think we have the information. I just don't think we've got our arms around this enough. To do the survey? To do the survey, I think survey is completely waste of time. Complete waste of time. |
| 04:00:38.38 | Unknown | So the direction to staff is explore the feasibility of a development agreement. If that's not a feasible option, proceed with option A. |
| 04:00:38.82 | Unknown | to staff |
| 04:00:45.96 | Unknown | I'm not quite sure what that means, though. Feasibility. Feasibility of a development agreement. Legally. |
| 04:00:50.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:00:50.06 | Unknown | Legally. legally. Legally. Is this a legal |
| 04:00:53.45 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. way to accomplish |
| 04:00:55.54 | Unknown | For example, if the Marinship zoning restrictions are going to require us to go to the ballot anyway, |
| 04:00:57.32 | Unknown | of the family. |
| 04:01:03.46 | Unknown | I would say. |
| 04:01:05.08 | Unknown | I don't know, there's a ballot measure that restricts zoning and uses in the merchant. |
| 04:01:11.44 | Unknown | I don't see how this could possibly violate the air traffic initiative. |
| 04:01:13.55 | Unknown | like a fair traffic initiative? I don't think it would, but that's a reason that it would be infeasible. The other thing with a development agreement is legally you are supposed to offer benefits |
| 04:01:15.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:15.24 | Kile Pile | I'm sorry. |
| 04:01:15.29 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:01:15.31 | Kile Pile | I DON'T THINK IT WOULD. |
| 04:01:25.40 | Unknown | to the proposed development and you're supposed to be getting something in return. So that's, you know, we'd need to meet that legal standard. I mean, sitting up here right now, I can't, |
| 04:01:37.92 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:01:38.42 | Unknown | Thank you. understand what the constraints might be, but I mean, it's an idea that was just mentioned during public comment. |
| 04:01:45.06 | Unknown | For some other reason. |
| 04:01:45.33 | Unknown | other reason that YOU KNOW. |
| 04:01:47.96 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:01:48.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:48.46 | Unknown | Anyway. |
| 04:01:48.70 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 04:01:48.83 | Unknown | So are we good development agreement if that's not feasible in the opinion of the city attorney from a legal perspective |
| 04:01:50.15 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:01:55.91 | Unknown | then proceed with. Option a and you'll have to put it on. the appointments section of the city council for the mayor to appoint some folks. |
| 04:02:05.47 | Jonathon Goldman | And by having this conversation in public though, Again, another marijuana issue where hardly anybody showed up. I I don't think we've had anybody from the public at any of these meetings that we've talked about at these things other than the district |
| 04:02:17.52 | Unknown | Yeah. Well, 80% of them. In a 95% turnout election, 80% approximately, Sausalito residents voted in favor of prop, whatever it was. And 94% of those are already asleep. |
| 04:02:21.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:31.38 | Jonathon Goldman | of the country. already a |
| 04:02:32.32 | Unknown | Leave. Yeah. |
| 04:02:32.66 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:02:34.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:34.16 | Jonathon Goldman | So, but we already have one person I think is going to start making calls pretty soon. So I think there's some activity engaging already in this by having this conversation. So... |
| 04:02:34.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:46.78 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, we'll start now. All right. Thank you. |
| 04:02:49.64 | Beth Pollard | DO THEY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED? |
| 04:02:50.67 | Jonathon Goldman | We have your direction Calvin you're good that really thank you. |
| 04:02:57.25 | Jonathon Goldman | Thanks for coming down. |
| 04:03:04.47 | Unknown | Only two hours. |
| 04:03:07.10 | Unknown | . Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:03:07.76 | Dave Frisberg | do. |
| 04:03:08.03 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. I did that again. |
| 04:03:12.03 | Jonathon Goldman | That's what we're doing. |
| 04:03:13.99 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay so now we're going to have Jonathan you have a slideshow you need to load up. |
| 04:03:17.63 | Jonathon Goldman | I think I inadvertently recycled it. That's not a problem. |
| 04:03:20.53 | Jonathon Goldman | That's not a problem. So 7 C award MLK Park a D a intense court improvement |
| 04:03:26.96 | Unknown | Oh I excuse me yes I have to excuse myself for |
| 04:03:28.55 | Jonathon Goldman | Yes. Thank you. |
| 04:03:30.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:30.03 | Jonathon Goldman | yourself. But you don't go too far. |
| 04:03:30.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:31.03 | Unknown | Thank you. you which you don't Thank you. |
| 04:03:34.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:03:34.22 | Unknown | Thank you. No, Jonathan's here waiting on this. And I think... |
| 04:03:38.32 | Unknown | I don't think Thank you. |
| 04:03:39.10 | Unknown | Yeah, there is. We have to discuss a couple of things that could take a minute. Are you going to go in the back? |
| 04:03:39.55 | Unknown | Yeah, there is. |
| 04:03:43.35 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:03:43.37 | Jonathon Goldman | You're going to go to the back? Thank you. |
| 04:03:44.01 | Unknown | Yeah. I'll be back. |
| 04:03:48.19 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, |
| 04:03:48.97 | Unknown | While I have a moment, I'd like to- For the record, I'm excusing myself because I live within 500, well, the common area of my development is within 500 feet of the area being discussed to award. |
| 04:04:06.97 | Unknown | So just a question. So there were kind of two items on this one item. One was the item that relates to MLK. |
| 04:04:14.52 | Unknown | Yeah, unfortunately they were collapsed. And so I'm going to have to excuse myself. |
| 04:04:22.42 | Jonathon Goldman | I want to thank you all for the recognition earlier. And without stealing the city manager's thunder, take advantage of the opportunity to introduce Dave Bracken, who is going to be the interim public works director as soon as I'm not. For those of you who don't know Dave, he retired about a year and a half ago as a court of Madera's town manager and had served in the public works director and city engineer capacity there for many years before that. So out of respect for his willingness to sit here. |
| 04:04:55.42 | Jonathon Goldman | We look forward to working with you, Dave, but we're not giving up that Jonathan doesn't change his mind in the next couple of days. |
| 04:04:55.44 | Jonathon Goldman | We look forward to it. |
| 04:05:02.02 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:05:03.83 | Jonathon Goldman | So this item is really twofold. One, the action item is to award a contract to the only bidder for the tennis court improvements. As council may recall, we. We originally allowed bids to expire on this project and restructured the project a little bit to break it up into smaller bites, if you will, and had the benefit of having the contractor who's already working at the Amilka campus on the fields project be the only bidder, and the base bid amount is reasonable and I think allows us and the community to continue to deliver improvements on that facility. As is the case with all of these projects, there are a few other moving parts, and I think I've alluded to it in the staff report a little bit, but one of the actions that council took separately this evening will free up some encumbered certificate of participation funds for use at MLK in addition to those that have already been described here. So it's trying to continuously move towards delivery, and it's unfortunate that we don't have infinite resources and we can't just award giant contracts and not have to worry about anything, but finding ways to continue to move forward and deliver all these park projects is what we've been trying to do for some time. To be honest, I wish that they were all already done because I'm leaving and I don't, Thank you. There's a little bit of an inadequacy there, if you will. So that's the action item before you this evening. I'm happy to talk in detail or answer any specific questions about that. But we also, at the city manager's request, wanted to provide a status update on our other projects. I won't read the staff report in detail, partly because I didn't prepare a PowerPoint and I'm reading it on my phone, and it's kind of detailed and convoluted because that's the nature of the way a lot of things that we do happens. For example, and again, without running away from the MLK Fields project too quickly, I Thank you. after our fabulous groundbreaking ceremony and, you know, start working and do the rough grading, we find railroad tracks underneath what we had all thought was just an athletic field. They had to come out because that's not a good place for there to be railroad tracks. We found asphalt pavement underneath a portion of that area. Almost every piece of storm drain that we've looked at, we have determined needed to be replaced because we wouldn't want to invest the resources in a new, very nice playing field, very nice path around, and then have a sinkhole develop in the middle of it and have to dig it all up and do something else. Another issue that's occurred there is we assumed that we would be able to salvage some of the turf irrigation system there, and have found that that simply isn't possible. So there are lots of moving parts there, and at this point we're in good shape budget and schedule-wise, but there are still places where we can anticipate the possible need to come back with change orders or things like that. Dumfey Park is in a similar situation, although we haven't |
| 04:08:41.80 | Kile Pile | Yeah. |
| 04:08:51.72 | Jonathon Goldman | We don't have any particularly new news there. We were able to start work. The worst of what we've discovered thus far, and again, under separate cover this evening, the council approved the agreement with Gallilee that gives us access to the property, gives us access to the funding that they had agreed to commit to the project, and allows us to do an integrated project building a parking lot there. One of the issues we discovered almost instantaneously with our contractor is that the water service that got put in for the cruising club was put in by middle school students from somewhere in the middle. who apparently didn't pay a lot of attention to what codes and standards are, so it has been broken once and is in the way. So fortunately our contractor, Jim Brenneman, is the president of SiteWorks, who's the principal subcontractor to Integra for that work. he very quickly realized that it would be easy to build a new distribution water service in existing trenches that he will get to dig without there having to be a big deal. So I don't anticipate that the change order will be significant there, but that's the nature of the kind of things that we're doing there. The other key and again i'm glad dave is here and i probably should have closed closed the door yeah the police left too we had the one of our most significant challenges at dunphy is to make sure that we are completely on top of the cal recyclecycle Grant reimbursement process. We're very fortunate in receiving that grant. It really provides a significant benefit, not just for that park project, but every dollar of those grant funds, as council may recall, offsets a dollar of Measure O funds that can be used very productively somewhere else. So we staff, even after I'm not here, need to make sure that we're able to separate the grant eligible elements of that project, and that we're early and aggressive in our reimbursement billings to try to recover those costs. Unfortunately, we lost the grant administrator, Stephanie Young, who had actually recommended that we apply for the grant in the first place. I think she went to work for either California Air Resources Board or maybe their Air Quality Management District. But we have a new grant administrator there and good communication internally on prioritizing that work. We're also working closely with both John Malick and Cameron Razavi to try to get the surplus bulkhead materials that council made available to the Public Works Director for disposition with a priority for replacing that Humboldt bulkhead. They've got a local representative who the city attorney and I also happen to be acquainted with, Adrian Andrews, who's helping them do that. And then Southview Park, it was awarded, and so the status update isn't particularly new news there. |
| 04:11:42.45 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:11:42.58 | Kile Pile | Thank you. |
| 04:12:16.01 | Jonathon Goldman | Southview Park, because of the timing on construction, gets to take advantage of the fact that a lot of these other moving pieces will have stopped moving by the time construction starts there. And I know that Mike Langford has been working with the community not only at Southview, but also at MLK. So the opportunity for trees and benches and donations to benefit the Southview park project as well, I think, are underway, and I know that our city manager is a big booster for that kind of approach. So I'm happy to answer any questions that anyone has, and again, recommend award of the construction contract for the base bid amount for the tennis courts with a $15,000 contingency to give us a little room for management this evening. |
| 04:13:10.94 | Jonathon Goldman | I was going to ask you about that. tennis courts There's very few unknowns you're expecting, correct? I mean, we know the base there and the parking. We can see that. Is there anything that could pop up there? Thank you. |
| 04:13:27.41 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, because we're tight. It's probably Dick Cheney or somebody said something about it. |
| 04:13:29.87 | Jonathon Goldman | Because we're tight. |
| 04:13:34.48 | Jonathon Goldman | unknowns we don't know and the unknowns that we do know. I don't remember exactly what that quote was, but The potential issues with the tennis courts are, number one, news everyone, news flash, we're going to have to remove some more trees at MLK and we have the opportunity to replace them, ideally with trees that won't damage the future tennis court. In making the repairs that we are, we'll be doing some excavation. And I have no reason to believe that there will be road tracks or anything else there, but until there's a hole in the ground, you don't know what's in it. The more likely pieces are really two-fold. The base bid amount doesn't include replacing the fencing. We're asking the contractor to remove the fencing and save it, and then when they're done accessing the court, put the old fencing up. I don't know how effective that will be, and if we can't put the old fencing back up, then we need to replace it with new fencing. The one other element, and I think I mentioned this in the staff report, and we've recently had a complaint from a resident on Olima about a traffic safety issue. The tennis courts project, the base project, includes a van accessible pull-in parking stall adjacent to the tennis courts. So an individual who parks there has to back out across Coloma within a relatively short distance of the intersection between Olima and Coloma. And Olima's uncontrolled on both sides of that intersection. So based on the complaint, and certainly based on the history of complaints, as well as speed enforcement on the police department's part, and the fact that Rotary Housing also occupies that intersection. So there is pedestrian traffic. We're recommending that that that intersection be regulated as a three way stop instead of the one way that's not on the agenda this evening. And Dave and Andy Davidson and our traffic committee with the police department will bring that recommendation forward to city council before the park is done. That's all I can think of there. |
| 04:15:55.91 | Jonathon Goldman | All right. Will the cruising club suffer any disruption in their power or their water due to this this find of their |
| 04:16:06.17 | Jonathon Goldman | Well, they will certainly suffer a short disruption between when their old service is disconnected and it's tied into the new. |
| 04:16:18.03 | Jonathon Goldman | normal type of |
| 04:16:18.84 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah, the contractor knows that they are obligated to keep access to and the utilities to the cruising club, Cascidly, and Gallilee in service during the entire project. And that's easy for us to say. It's in the specifications. But the contractor's got to figure out how to make sure that happens. And you and I both know that the cruising club isn't shy about reaching out to any number of people to try to make sure that they have as much influence on when that happens and how long it happens as anybody does. |
| 04:16:18.96 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 04:16:57.49 | Jonathon Goldman | Speak freely. It's your last meeting. Anything else? Great. Thank you. I'm going to open it up for public comment. Is there any public comment? Dave, anything? I'll close public comment and bring it up here for comments. Anything? right |
| 04:17:25.03 | Unknown | Well, I'm in favor of awarding the MLK tennis court construction contract. |
| 04:17:25.11 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 04:17:31.10 | Unknown | And then Jonathan alluded to this, but, You know, I really think that these, all these projects happening at the same time and such dramatic changes to the landscape, you know, have really brought out a lot of concern about the trees and so you know to the extent that Mike Langford with Rick Parker or DPW can really find ways to find positive interactions with the public about contributing and visualizing the finished product with good landscaping and trees and obtaining the funding for that is very important. And then, Secondly, I just want to thank whoever put up the visualization of Dunphy Park, Along the roadside, I mean, I think a lot of people, it doesn't matter how many times we put it in the currents, or have public meetings, but no one really expected that dramatic of a change to something that you pass so often every day. So I would really urge us to put up another sign at the other side of Dumpy and to the extent that we can at MLK, I think it just really helps people understand that there's an end product that's supposed to be better and you know, to really beautify the community, not to tear it down, which I think is just what it looks like. So I just urge more efforts on that front. But thank you. And thank you to Jonathan. |
| 04:18:49.33 | Kile Pile | Yeah. |
| 04:19:00.47 | Unknown | bittersweet that this is your last meeting, but thank you for all your hard work on the parks. I think. and everything else, but particularly near and dear to my heart are the parks. So thank you. |
| 04:19:12.59 | Unknown | Yeah, I'd echo those comments on the, um, communication. was I have been over the last week or two astounded at the number of people, I mean these are like really smart, aware folks. The number of people who've come up to me and like, What have you done to Dunphy Parks? Where have you been? You know? And it's amazing. And so... You know, so I think, the signs, the renderings, showing what we're doing, you know, your COP dollars at work, or whatever you want to do, I think is actually, at this point, could be really important to do. Because there are some members of the community who just have no idea what we're doing. With that said, it is a very good idea remarkable, I think, that a city of this size Um, with relatively little resources in the grand scheme of things, is actually pulling off the renovation of four major parks. It is an unbelievable achievement. |
| 04:20:37.76 | Jonathon Goldman | It is. Panda Plaza. |
| 04:20:42.01 | Unknown | And, you know, the... effort that we made four or five years ago to focus on infrastructure with Measure O, then the COPs, and we've been It's, I believe, a remarkable achievement for a city our size. So anyway. Thank you. I'm obviously we need to award this and I'm happy to make a motion. |
| 04:21:15.73 | Jonathon Goldman | I'm hoping to send Jonathan out here with a 3-0 vote. All right, so why don't you make a recommended motion? |
| 04:21:20.60 | Unknown | So Mary, do we need to read all of this? What do we need to do here? So I move to adopt a resolution to appropriate into the funds for and |
| 04:21:34.29 | Unknown | One, two, and three. |
| 04:21:34.93 | Unknown | Thank you. One... finding the project categorically exempt from CEQA, et cetera, to finding the project exempt from design review, et cetera, and then finally authorizing the city manager to issue a notice of award and execute a contract with who's doing it. Majorian Gilotti. of San Francisco for construction of the City of Sausalito M.A.L. Part ADA Intense Core Improvement Project. |
| 04:22:02.49 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:22:02.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:22:02.54 | Jonathon Goldman | Rebecca. |
| 04:22:02.55 | Unknown | I love Samuel Phil. |
| 04:22:04.31 | Jonathon Goldman | I just want to clarify, San Rafael, not San Francisco, but yes. |
| 04:22:06.23 | Unknown | Sorry. Thank you. I saw a sign here. |
| 04:22:07.80 | Jonathon Goldman | I will say. ALL IN FAVOR. |
| 04:22:09.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:22:09.98 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:22:10.00 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:22:10.52 | Jonathon Goldman | I... Let's get Joan. |
| 04:22:14.23 | Unknown | that motion passes through. |
| 04:22:16.73 | Jonathon Goldman | That motion passes 3-0. Congratulations. Tell that to your friends down in Arizona. |
| 04:22:28.98 | Unknown | . |
| 04:22:31.17 | Beth Pollard | Oh, Adam woke up. . |
| 04:22:33.67 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 04:22:34.63 | Beth Pollard | Yeah. |
| 04:22:37.32 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:22:40.08 | Jonathon Goldman | Welcome back John the council member Cox we're not to item 8 city manage reports council member we were snow city council appointments to manage report. |
| 04:22:41.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:22:41.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:22:53.90 | Unknown | comment on the whole thing. |
| 04:22:55.90 | Jonathon Goldman | Let's do public comment on items 8B. through 8 F. Any public comment on items 8 B through 8 F seeing none closing public comment and open up to the city manager. |
| 04:23:12.53 | Adam Politzer | Two very quick items. Tomorrow night, we're the city of Sausalito is hosting the MCC MC dinner. It's the Spinnaker. And our staff is looking forward to participating. So it'll be fun. And Friday night, we're having a party to recognize Jonathan's 10 plus years with the city of Sausalito. And we have a variety of speakers that will be there, and a lot of good times will be had. So if you have not already RSVP'd, please do so. And for those in our audience, you can reach out to Jonathan directly to give your best wishes and reach out to our new interim Public Works Director, Dave Bracken, to give your support because he'll need it. We once the beginning of this transition occurs, we will be sitting down with the recruiter to go through the recruitment process of hiring our permanent director. And that process will take between three and six months. And we will report more on that once we hear from our recruiter and the strategy the recruiter will use to attract our next great Public Works director to fill mighty large shoes of Jonathan Goldman that in front report happy to answer any questions from the council |
| 04:24:47.78 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. Any questions for Adam? Seeing none appointments to boards commissions and committees. I have none. I did put out a email to the cheap pack that addressed items we're going to talk about. As far as these. resignation and did stay that the chief committee was staying the same because I know there's been some concern or not concerned but discussion if that would change. So we have on here. Thank you. Yes, planning commission accept the resignation of Lori Freid. free moving all at once. |
| 04:25:37.96 | Unknown | It's a great day. |
| 04:25:38.81 | Unknown | I'm sorry. Yeah, we're just, I don't think we have to vote on that. But I would like to recommend |
| 04:25:42.08 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay. |
| 04:25:45.49 | Unknown | that we seek um, some level of professional to replace Lori Freed. So we have a pool of applicants from the last time, but With the departure of Bill Werner I think it left a hole one of the things that the Blue Ribbon Task Force on housing is going to recommend is that considering certain parameters for the pool of applicants for planning commission because they play such an important role. in town. I just wanted to make that comment, that I think we should recruit for, through our currents and elsewhere for truly qualified applicants and also require them to take which Bill and I and others. have taken, which is inordinately helpful. |
| 04:26:48.15 | Jonathon Goldman | I agree I'm I was going to ask for pose on both of these items we also have the the BAC replacement I'm sorry the general cheap back replacement that we do go out to interview process again on both even though I think we all can maybe have identified a few people. The feedback that every seat tonight in prior on both of those is there are people interested in applying and. We should do our diligence in that regard. So we're going to direct staff to open up put it to advertise those two spots and go through a process. |
| 04:27:22.37 | Unknown | Yeah, I agree. I definitely agree with that. We shouldn't just go back and look at the old applicants and pick a few. That's, we shouldn't do that. |
| 04:27:29.57 | Unknown | Yeah. We shouldn't do that. I totally agree as well. The G-PAC applicants are two years old. Thank you. |
| 04:27:34.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:27:34.16 | Unknown | We've been in this for two years already. So. |
| 04:27:40.32 | Unknown | But I'd like to have our process be as quick as possible because in the GPAC, we are in the middle of visioning and we're about to tackle one of our most challenging tasks. So I'd like to identify a replacement for and actually Kate is somewhat irreplaceable. She's been a great member and I just want to publicly acknowledge her contribution the contribution of Kate store to our G pack she's been very valuable but I'd like to move as quickly as we can and still make sure we get good applicants to get that replacement in place. |
| 04:28:21.77 | Jonathon Goldman | Let's move quickly on those 2 now the 3rd we have is the BAC which we do need to make a recommended motion on if anybody wants to do any discussion on the. the people submitted their discussion. |
| 04:28:35.23 | Unknown | Yeah. Bye. Yeah, I'd like to comment on that. Thank you. So I think I've reported in the past that the BAC has been almost sort of focused down on the general plan. And I think correctly, I've been trying to nudge them in that direction because Business Advisory Committee was actually first formed, I have learned, when we apparently did the 1995 general plan. And they did a lot of the economic element. So they've split themselves up into several groups. They've got draft reports. Brian, our Interim Administrative Services Director, was guiding them through their analysis of the Marineship and the downtown. retail, hospitality, industry, and want to both come to council and to GPAC to report on what their advice and suggestions are to GPAC in particular as to what needs to be analyzed. Not so much what needs to be done, what needs to be analyzed, further analyzed. So I think it's going to be very timely and useful input. As part of that process, we realized that some people were termed out. Some people were actually in the middle of writing work product who were termed out and have spent the last six months working on this. And so the BAC as a whole, and I supported it, suggested, and Brian supported um, and I think Yulia's here as well. She's at the back. I think, um, she's been in the meetings as well and recognized, um, uh, the problem that we can afford to turn over the BAC now. We need to actually, um, keep them intact for a period of time until they've done that work. And then we can assess who's turned out and who needs. So, um. What we're trying to do here, I think, is just extend all the terms and appoint the new appointees that the chamber recommends or whatever. And so I fully support what's in this staff report on that. |
| 04:31:08.93 | Unknown | So I actually received a couple of emails on this and there are other members of the community who are interested in applying who are concerned that the term limits not be enforced, that we have a small group of Sausalito folks who are on the Chamber of Commerce, in Rotary, on the BAC, on the GPAC, who are participating in this process from a number of different fronts, who And other people don't have a chance to participate. So I'm not taking a position on that. I'm simply conveying the content of the emails that I received. |
| 04:31:48.30 | Unknown | I can understand that. I can understand that concern. They can always participate. It's a public meeting. I've never seen a member of the public ever, ever at the meeting. So put your money where your mouth is and show up, my view. |
| 04:32:06.71 | Jonathon Goldman | Just curious how these people, have they interviewed with us before on positions? |
| 04:32:12.45 | Unknown | Two of the emails I received are people who have interviewed with us. and not yet been appointed. |
| 04:32:25.97 | Unknown | So just as a sort of side comment, I do think when people email council members individually that it's helpful to encourage them to email everyone so that we're all working with the same |
| 04:32:38.45 | Unknown | I totally agree and I always ask, may I share? I always ask. frequently share without asking permission. I think people understand, you know, and I don't want to weigh in myself because it's a touchy issue and I, I THINK that everybody on the BAC does a valuable service to the community. I but I represent, as we all do, the residents, so when we receive feedback, it's important to convey. |
| 04:33:08.95 | Unknown | No, it's good to know. |
| 04:33:09.91 | Jonathon Goldman | And we still have other positions that we may fill as well. So if we can get those people onto record as well, that we can contact them for other potentially business task force style. |
| 04:33:09.98 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:33:10.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:33:20.94 | Unknown | So I'm willing to support this tonight, but I do just wanna say that in general, I think having term limits is important and that we should enforce them absent some extenuating circumstances. So if people have started written work product, And our liaison to that committee is telling us that that work product is important to finish. I am OK with a limited extension. |
| 04:33:38.66 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:33:43.32 | Unknown | Well, I think that's the issue. |
| 04:33:43.67 | Unknown | I think that's the issue. I think we have we've had so many qualified people apply for our various |
| 04:33:48.84 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:33:48.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:33:48.97 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:33:49.01 | Unknown | Thank you. committees that I would like to just keep moving. And do we know whose terms we will |
| 04:33:53.97 | Unknown | be extending? |
| 04:33:54.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:33:54.80 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:33:55.22 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:33:56.11 | Unknown | I mean, I think that's the, I think you're raising a good issue though, is Let's make this time limited |
| 04:34:04.50 | Jonathon Goldman | CAN WE PUT THAT IN THIS? |
| 04:34:05.95 | Unknown | Yeah, well, I mean, I think that- |
| 04:34:05.97 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. I THINK THAT. |
| 04:34:08.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:34:08.18 | Jonathon Goldman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:34:08.26 | Unknown | Yeah, that's, well I would say until the visioning process is ended. |
| 04:34:08.33 | Jonathon Goldman | Yeah. |
| 04:34:12.35 | Unknown | I would say through the visioning. |
| 04:34:13.71 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:34:13.73 | Unknown | Thank you. That's where Thank you. |
| 04:34:14.79 | Unknown | through the fold. |
| 04:34:15.26 | Unknown | The feedback is. |
| 04:34:16.28 | Unknown | Through the fall. |
| 04:34:16.99 | Unknown | of this year. |
| 04:34:17.46 | Unknown | Thank you. Yeah, or whenever, when you want to? |
| 04:34:19.04 | Unknown | When you're in. |
| 04:34:20.51 | Unknown | year end is probably the maximum it should be. I fully agree with that. I think that's a good idea. |
| 04:34:27.38 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:34:29.14 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:34:30.59 | Jonathon Goldman | Right we can would that be a motion with that amendment at the end. |
| 04:34:30.62 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:34:30.89 | Unknown | Same. |
| 04:34:31.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:34:35.21 | Jonathon Goldman | Okay, second. |
| 04:34:36.06 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. Thank you. Or I'll make a motion. |
| 04:34:37.90 | Jonathon Goldman | Sure. |
| 04:34:38.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:34:38.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:34:39.03 | Jonathon Goldman | You'll make the motion with |
| 04:34:39.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:34:39.75 | Unknown | With the time limit? So there's a recommended motion. Confirm, I just opened the staff report. Confirm appointments of Julie Vieira and John Scopazi as chamber nominated members. Accept resignation of Graham Driver that will create another chamber nominated vacancy. Affirm appointment of Aaron Singer as a local business BAC nominated member. Allow the committee chair to request waiving term limit requirements to ensure continuity of the BAC. Services. with the proviso that those term limits be extended no later than the end of 2019. Second. |
| 04:35:18.29 | Jonathon Goldman | All in favor? Aye. |
| 04:35:19.46 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:35:22.07 | Jonathon Goldman | Future agenda items. Yeah. |
| 04:35:24.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:35:24.57 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:35:24.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:35:24.71 | Unknown | Ray had something for the GPEC. |
| 04:35:29.06 | Unknown | Yes. I actually have two things. The first thing, which is I would like a little bit more clarity on when we're planning to have GPAC. THE END OF to City Council? When's the next time the GPAC topic will be back here at City Council? So I'd like the agenda setting committee to look on GPAC to figure that out. Because just my sense is I think within a short period of time, The City Council is going, should have its say. I think we're moving to a point where council input will be shortly needed, so that's the, |
| 04:36:16.68 | Unknown | Well, it's sort of a circular, I mean, it seems like |
| 04:36:16.70 | Unknown | Well, it's sort |
| 04:36:20.51 | Unknown | We need agenda setting since we're not on the G-PAC, needs to hear from G-PAC when it's a or from staff. |
| 04:36:27.90 | Jonathon Goldman | Let's hear from Lily. Can she give us that, do you think, to our agenda setting Thursday? Okay. |
| 04:36:33.08 | Unknown | And I agree with Ray. We're getting to a point where it's going to be important to get counsel |
| 04:36:38.23 | Unknown | Bye. Bye. Right. And the second agenda item is I would very much encourage us to have I'm not sure. the former Mayor's Blue Ribbon Committee housing thing, which I think Council Member Cleveland Mills also participated in, this needs to come to Council. It needs to come to Council yesterday, because we're having it referenced in staff reports, We're referencing it up here about recommendations that it's making And three of the council members have never seen it, and the public has no idea what we're talking about. So we need to get this here somewhat urgently, I believe. you |
| 04:37:29.18 | Jonathon Goldman | Do we have a date we can throw it on? |
| 04:37:30.49 | Unknown | TO BE ABLE TO |
| 04:37:30.66 | Jonathon Goldman | Thank you. |
| 04:37:31.05 | Unknown | My draft is complete. I'm just waiting for feedback from committee members. So I think it could come. Second meeting. |
| 04:37:38.66 | Unknown | Second meeting in February, I think. Thank you. |
| 04:37:41.33 | Unknown | second meeting in February. |
| 04:37:42.78 | Unknown | you first or second but I haven't had a chance to look at it and |
| 04:37:43.79 | Unknown | IT'S A GOOD THING. |
| 04:37:49.31 | Unknown | Well, you have red lines. Every one of your red lines is adopted. |
| 04:37:53.80 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:37:54.17 | Unknown | But anyway, The agenda setting committee will set it at a meeting in February. |
| 04:38:01.69 | Unknown | We will refer to it next week. |
| 04:38:07.42 | Jonathon Goldman | I agree. Any other reports of significance? Seeing none at 1133 I'm going to adjourn this meeting in the memory in honor of Dorothy Gibson. May we remember all that she gave our community. It was bountiful. Thank you Dorothy. |
| 04:38:21.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:05.23 | Unknown | That's great. Thank you. I don't know. |
| 04:39:45.97 | Unknown | you |
Jeff Jacobs — Neutral: Shared a Torah portion about leadership, raised concerns about conflict of interest and Form 700 filings, specifically questioning Jill Hoffman's economic disclosures and her negative stance towards the Anchorage. ▶ 📄
Chad Carvey — Against: Expressed concern that anchor-outs have been excluded from waterfront planning meetings, highlighting a lack of representation for those most impacted. ▶ 📄