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| 00:05:10.16 | Colette Martinez | Please. |
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| 00:06:15.69 | Mayor Burns | my glasses. All right, here we got a good... Hello everybody, welcome. February 5th, 2019, what is now known as the snowiest day in Bay Area history. |
| 00:06:33.08 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:06:33.52 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. 1976, 2019, February 5th. So, congratulations for everybody getting here and braving the storm and all the snow. For those watching back east, sorry for the joke. I'll start with a we had a closed session and we have no comments from closed session. Is there any public comment on closed session? |
| 00:06:56.05 | Unknown | for these children. Would you talk? Thank you. |
| 00:07:04.05 | Mayor Burns | Sir, can we take a roll call, please? |
| 00:07:07.93 | City Clerk | Councilmember Cox? |
| 00:07:09.72 | Jill Hoffman | Here. |
| 00:07:10.55 | City Clerk | Council Member Hoffman. |
| 00:07:13.70 | Jill Hoffman | Here. |
| 00:07:14.02 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Thank you. |
| 00:07:14.61 | City Clerk | Councilmember Withey? Here. Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles. Here. Mayor Burns? |
| 00:07:19.86 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:07:19.91 | City Clerk | Thank you. |
| 00:07:20.01 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:07:23.24 | Mayor Burns | There are no closed session comments. Any public comment on closed session? Seeing none. |
| 00:07:32.62 | Mayor Burns | I will go with the Pledge of Allegiance. Everybody stand? Miranda Matthews, you please lead us in the pledge of allegiance. |
| 00:07:42.76 | Unknown | Congratulations to the flag of the United States of America. |
| 00:07:43.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:43.69 | Jeff Jacob | Beautiful. |
| 00:07:47.03 | Unknown | and to the rebel for which it stands, one nation under God. |
| 00:07:50.15 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 00:07:51.45 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 00:07:52.21 | Unknown | indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:07:54.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:07:57.04 | Unknown | See you. Thank you. |
| 00:08:02.54 | Mayor Burns | I'm gonna move now to the approval of the agenda. So comments on the agenda? Thank you. All in favor? |
| 00:08:05.63 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | So moved. |
| 00:08:08.23 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:08:08.24 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Second. Aye. |
| 00:08:08.60 | Mayor Burns | Aye. Thank you. Aye. Special presentations and mayor announcements, any special presentations? You think? I have one announcement that we will be adjourning tonight's meeting in the memory of Don Olson, who passed away this past two weeks. There will be a service for Don upcoming later this month, and the family will get that out to everybody. |
| 00:08:35.65 | Jill Hoffman | I think it's been announced. |
| 00:08:37.99 | Mayor Burns | Yes, it is. Now's the time for public communications. Public communications, this is the time for the city council to hear. From citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda, except in very limited situations, state law precludes the council from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items on business that are not on the agenda. However, the council may refer matters not on the agenda to city staff or direct that the subject be agendized for future meeting. Please make sure you've completed a speaker card. They are these green cards that are over on the table and you will be given three minutes. First up, we have, in order of the cards received, John Donovan. |
| 00:09:26.95 | John Donovan | Thank you, council, Mr. Mayor, city management. side of the movement. My name is John Donovan. I've been the acting Commodore of the Sauceto Cruising Club for the last two years. Many of you know this. I'd like to thank you all for the support that you have provided for us as we worked hard through the last few years to develop the SEC into the community facility that it is today. We're very proud to provide the community with safe, affordable access to the waterfront, as well as provide a venue for public forum. We've achieved the goals that we set forth when we assume the management of the SCC and then some. I feel it is with great honor that I introduce to you guys our 2019 Commodore David Hanson and our 2019 Rear Commodore Ben Farrell. We've worked side by side over the last two years to get to the SCC to where it is today and look forward to more progress in the years to come. So I just want to make this introduction and thank you guys so much for your support. You bet. |
| 00:10:30.29 | Mayor Burns | Next up, David Hanson. |
| 00:10:32.57 | David Hanson | Thank you, John. Oh, here we are. Thank you, John. I am David Hansen, and I am indeed the Commodore of the Sausalito Cruising Club. The best part of that being my wife and daughter now salute me at breakfast. First and foremost, the club wants- Really? Yeah, really. Really? I have to kind of say Commodore on deck, and then they, yeah, I'm training them. |
| 00:10:48.28 | Mayor Burns | Really? |
| 00:10:49.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:49.18 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, really. |
| 00:10:51.03 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:10:51.34 | Mayor Burns | I have to |
| 00:10:53.75 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:10:55.42 | David Hanson | First and foremost, the club thanks you all for your efforts toward what will be a wonderful park. The Saucido Cruising Club fully supports the Dunphy Park Improvement Project and is willing to make the near term sacrifices to see the project through. More specific thanks to Mayor Joe Burns, Lauren Umbertus of Public Works and Mike Langford of Parks and Rec. for actively addressing our parking and access concerns during the park remodel. If we keep the lines of communication open on the scope of work and available parking options, we will be able to best manage the expectations of our membership. This year marks the 70th anniversary of the Sausalito Cruising Club. With 700 active members, we recognize our responsibility to the community at large. In that responsibility, we provide affordable access to the Sausalito waterfront and waterways for our community. We are a platform for informational and educational forums. We host fundraising events for local nonprofits and our schools, and we're proud to have scheduled fundraisers this year for both Bayside MLK and Willow Creek Academy. We host rotary dinners and biweekly AA meetings and tomorrow this is a new one that popped up. We're hosting local Coast Guard families. Originally that was for families affected by the shutdown, which has now turned into Coast Guard appreciation. It's something I'd like to see become an annual event there, just to showing our appreciation for their service. The Sausalito Cruising Club is more than a private club. We are a hub of the community, which is exactly what we have strived to become over the last few years. Thank you all for your time. I'd like to introduce Ben Farrell. |
| 00:12:37.06 | Mayor Burns | Thank you, David. And I second that and I'll introduce, next up is Ben Farrell. |
| 00:12:41.09 | Ben Farrell | Thank you. My name is Ben Farrell. I'm the rear commodore of the South Saluted Cruising Club. My family does not salute me, but we might work on that. So I wanted to say thanks to John and David for introducing me and thanks to Sausalito for getting behind the Dunphy Park project. We are really excited about it. It's part of a bigger excitement for 2019 in general for us. We see it as a year of big improvement. And from the Dunphy Park project, we are the only operating business in Dunphy Park, so we stand to benefit the most from it. And I think we're just here to express our willingness to do our part to the community to make it a success for everybody. I understand that bringing up issues on a project already underway is never well received, but in this case, timing was perhaps necessary. During the project scoping phase, you never really get to hear from all the stakeholders until you present what your intentions are. In this case, it was only recently that we discovered many of our existing utility services are substandard or the result of ad hoc additions to existing systems that have been done over the years by who knows who. It's a relatively small scope of work, but obviously now is the right time to do that infrastructure upgrade for us and our services to tie us into the city and to include that with the Dumpy Park scope of work for the project. To that effect and after the discovery, we reached out to city officials and staff to discuss our utility services and our concrete abutment that houses them. We were pleased with the verbal response and assurances that were received to maintain and improve them, so we're just here to say thanks for that. For some background, our concrete abutment was more than likely built in the 60s when the club was originally moored off of what was then the precursor to Dunphy Park. It was probably in the early 60s as far as we can tell. But it was poorly built, and it's even been rebuilt once by volunteers with commensurate skill level. The conditions around our abutment have changed, and the park itself is going to change to the extent that we feel that it's time to upgrade the abutment to a properly compliant connection for pedestrian accessing utilities. Compliance with current code in these areas would be expected from any other public or private improvement project. So again, we have some reassurance that this will happen. We would just like to be part of the conversation and part of the discussion so we can coordinate our own efforts and our own maintenance projects with that new work We are also keeping an eye out for our neighbors at Cass Marina, as one would assume that now is also the time for these same improvements for their future use. We want the city to know that we are eager to help out where we can and be a resource or partner in any appropriate capacity and to help ensure the success of the Dunphy Park project. That's it. Thank you. |
| 00:15:27.31 | Mayor Burns | Thank you, man. Just clarity, if we could just stay there. One question, are you looking for us to just maintain that you keep in contact with our staff, especially on these new items, a little more clarity on the abutment? |
| 00:15:39.31 | Ben Farrell | We've expressed our concerns that came up based on discovery, and discovery is kind of a hard thing to anticipate until a project site is opened up. Now that we all know, we're, of course, eager to be part of whatever the solution is. It's a chance for not only fixing what's there, but to make improvements, and with improvements comes options. And we have our own improvement projects in mind, and where they meet is what we're talking about, I think. |
| 00:15:40.64 | Mayor Burns | Yeah. |
| 00:16:02.65 | Mayor Burns | Right. Thanks. Thank you both or all three for presenting and giving us that information. It's good to hear from the cruising club. So thank you. Jeff Jacob. |
| 00:16:21.43 | Jeff Jacob | Hello, Mr. Mayor. Hello, City Council. and citizens of Sausalito. |
| 00:16:32.20 | Jeff Jacob | The last few meetings I've tried to concentrate particularly on one issue. The issue is conflict of interest. when somebody Is voting. for their wallets and not for the people. |
| 00:16:56.87 | Jeff Jacob | BECAUSE OF THIS, There is a form. called Form 700. that every City worker. is required throughout California to fill out. It says here that Public officials are under certain circumstances required to disqualify themselves from participating in or attempting to influence governmental decisions that will affect their economic interests. We have the same issue on the national level. If we get beyond the sexiness, of prostitutes. And Russia? We find... Leaders. who obviously are trying to make money from their office. |
| 00:17:53.70 | Jeff Jacob | In the last election, I attempted to run. I've been given tickets. on my boat. in Sausalito waters, and yet not allowed to vote in Sausalito or run. Since 2016. It was changed. Gerrymandering, they might call it. Jill Hoffman, sitting there at the end. Filed. and signed Form 700. She is saying she has no stocks. No bonds. No real estate interests, no income for her or her husband. |
| 00:18:40.06 | Jeff Jacob | In a way, she's the closest to the anchor outs of any of you. She's a sailor. been around some of the world, maybe all the world. working in the Navy as a lawyer, On this form it says, that at any time It can be amended. with no penalty. As far as I know, Jill Hoffman has not amended her form yet. |
| 00:19:14.37 | Jeff Jacob | We are concerned about this and we will pursue it. Thank you very much. |
| 00:19:19.68 | Mayor Burns | Thank you Jeff. Next up we have our action minutes from the previous meeting, however, looking at these we have some confusion. We have one more, yeah, come on, I'm sorry. I wasn't even close it. Yeah, no, I'll take it. Yeah, just search there. Thank you. Sorry for that confusion. Any other public comment? Anybody else have a speaker card? Thanks, Ben. |
| 00:19:46.60 | Krista Reynolds | Hi everybody, I'm Krista Reynolds and I'm a resident here in Sausalito. And late December, I had brought to the attention of some people within the police force that we were thinking about having a town meeting. A town meeting that would bring people together so that we could bring in People in disaster preparedness as well as the fire chief or someone his knowledge into these meetings to start informing the people in Sausalito what we might do in case of tsunami, fire, what have you. What I realized in my research is I went around and realized that a lot of people had not gotten the training or even knew what to do. And so it felt like there was just a lack of, interest or a lack of knowledge or a lack of trying. I'm a yoga teacher. I know a lot of people in the community. I've been here a really long time. And I just got to thinking when I did a little checking with people, would they be open to a meeting like this? They very much were. Back then, there was a lot of fear running through a lot of people because we were so close to fires and disasters and things like that. But I'm afraid if we're going to We've run the course of time here and the fall is going to come around and we're going to be up against some new issues. And I think we're going to have the same ignorance going on in this town. And it's not that people aren't interested, I think they really are. They just need to be able to have a forum where they can ask questions, see how they can participate. And then directing them towards disaster preparedness meetings or whatever that is. So I got a little pushback. because I think what was happening is they wanted to formalize it, and that's why I'm here. And I was really thinking bottom-up rather than top-down. We the people would come together, you would come to our meeting and field our questions. And the person who I was speaking with wanted it to be top down. And I just kind of wanted it to be informal and casual so people would actually come, bring food, maybe have a glass of wine afterwards, and just basically get knowledgeable so we can help each other. So that was what I wanted to bring forth and see where we could maybe get a ball rolling here. And use the library, Casey over at Solstice Spa said she'd offer her space for such a meeting. So anyhow, I just wanted to bring that up as an item. Okay, good information. |
| 00:21:51.91 | Mayor Burns | Okay, good information. And you do know we have our fire discussion tonight too, stick around for that. |
| 00:21:56.53 | Krista Reynolds | Yes, I do. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't go to it. That's my point. |
| 00:22:00.60 | Mayor Burns | I know, but we have a presentation tonight as well. |
| 00:22:02.88 | Krista Reynolds | Okay, well I was told to come to this, I don't know why. |
| 00:22:03.32 | Mayor Burns | Yeah. No, that's good. No, I'm glad you said what you did, yeah. Good. But I'm just a second reminder that. Okay, fabulous. |
| 00:22:05.66 | Krista Reynolds | No, I'm not. Good. |
| 00:22:07.52 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 00:22:08.79 | Krista Reynolds | Okay. |
| 00:22:08.97 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 00:22:09.60 | Krista Reynolds | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:22:10.61 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | And also just maybe for yourself and for other members of the public, we do have a disaster preparedness committee that's made up of local citizens. Yes, and they told me to give them a couple of weeks. |
| 00:22:19.91 | Krista Reynolds | Yes, and they told me to come to these meetings. I've gone that route and gone through them and nothing's come. So they said- So I'm the liaison to that meeting, I don't recall your |
| 00:22:27.90 | Jill Hoffman | So I'm the liaison. Thank you. |
| 00:22:30.99 | Krista Reynolds | coming to our |
| 00:22:31.53 | Jill Hoffman | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:22:31.72 | Krista Reynolds | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:22:31.97 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 00:22:32.16 | Krista Reynolds | I will. I could not come to January's because I was visiting my mother, who's 85, in Florida. |
| 00:22:40.97 | Jill Hoffman | So we meet the second Wednesday, so we're meeting again next Wednesday if you'd like to attend. |
| 00:22:45.39 | Krista Reynolds | Next Wednesday. |
| 00:22:46.30 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:22:46.32 | Krista Reynolds | Okay. |
| 00:22:46.37 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:22:47.26 | Krista Reynolds | I will make a point to try to be there. Thank you. I did not know that. |
| 00:22:49.25 | Mayor Burns | Presenting town hall idea in this format is perfectly good though. |
| 00:22:53.12 | Krista Reynolds | Thank you. |
| 00:22:53.25 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, that was good. |
| 00:22:54.14 | Krista Reynolds | Awesome. Thank you. |
| 00:22:54.18 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment? Seeing none, I'm gonna close public comment. Bring it to action items, action minutes of the previous meetings. We have November 27th on there, but we've already done those. Correct? Thank you. |
| 00:23:12.17 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:23:12.23 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Did we not approve those at a previous meeting? |
| 00:23:15.39 | City Clerk | They were not approved. We're... |
| 00:23:17.16 | Mayor Burns | OK, they were presented. |
| 00:23:17.32 | Jill Hoffman | They were presented on the dais, but not in the packet, so we didn't address them like that. |
| 00:23:20.64 | Mayor Burns | So we didn't. They've been added to that packet since then. |
| 00:23:23.56 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. they've been added to this packet. |
| 00:23:26.90 | Mayor Burns | There they added to the previous meeting, and I just looked up Thank you. |
| 00:23:29.89 | Jill Hoffman | Oh. |
| 00:23:29.90 | Mayor Burns | Bye. Thank you. 22nd, they're in that minutes package now. |
| 00:23:31.73 | Jill Hoffman | that minutes past. But they were late mail for the prior meeting. So we probably shouldn't put that there. |
| 00:23:37.24 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Well, if there aren't any comments on either of those, I'd make a motion. I did have a comment. |
| 00:23:37.30 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. I did have a comment. So on the November minutes, Item 6B, I'm pretty certain I recused myself from that discussion, and that's not reflected in these minutes. So I typically do recuse myself from any discussions of MLK Park. Is that the one we did at the end? |
| 00:23:58.29 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | That's a word. |
| 00:24:01.34 | Jill Hoffman | No. |
| 00:24:02.02 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Do you remember we did, we redid a motion at the end of the agenda? |
| 00:24:05.78 | Jill Hoffman | That was on consent. |
| 00:24:07.42 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Okay. |
| 00:24:07.97 | Jill Hoffman | That was a consent issue. Okay. Anyway, can you just double check that for me? |
| 00:24:13.88 | Mayor Burns | on 6B. |
| 00:24:15.06 | Jill Hoffman | 6B on November 27. It was a presentation. I will tell you, I've never heard about the pickleball project or the basketball court reconfiguration. So I'm pretty certain I did not attend that meeting. |
| 00:24:23.30 | Mayor Burns | Okay, that's what I'm saying. |
| 00:24:23.97 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:24:24.48 | Jeff Jacob | Thank you. I, you |
| 00:24:25.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:24:25.56 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:24:25.96 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:24:26.03 | Mayor Burns | Not a 10. |
| 00:24:30.48 | Jill Hoffman | Because I would have said put the pickle, well, never mind what I would have said because I recused myself. |
| 00:24:34.11 | Mayor Burns | Yeah. Definitely don't say it now. |
| 00:24:36.10 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. Thank you. |
| 00:24:37.08 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | So do you have other comments, John? |
| 00:24:37.91 | Mayor Burns | Thanks, John. |
| 00:24:38.63 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:24:38.97 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. Do you have other comments? those Riley come okay so with that comment I'll make a motion to approve subject to correction |
| 00:24:42.06 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so with that conversation, |
| 00:24:47.12 | Jill Hoffman | Correct. Second, |
| 00:24:49.82 | Mayor Burns | All in favor. Aye. |
| 00:24:50.73 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 00:24:55.75 | John Donovan | approval. |
| 00:24:57.18 | Mayor Burns | Approval of the minutes is a 5-0 vote. Council member committee reports. Who would like to go first? Joe? anything? I know you were. |
| 00:25:14.53 | Unknown | We haven't had any. I don't think so. you I don't think I have anything in the board. |
| 00:25:21.87 | Mayor Burns | Susan. |
| 00:25:22.85 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | I have a very short report, just that I think I announced the last meeting that the Sustainability Commission is changing its regular meeting to the first Thursday, which is this February 7th, to avoid Valentine's Day. And we'll be hearing from marine clean energy at that meeting so anyone who's interested should come on down to the conference room. And then the other thing I just wanted to say, it's not a committee, but I did go by the homeless shower the mobile shower program this morning. And I just want to thank the incredible staff who was there on this cold morning, welcoming lots of folks to a nice hot shower. And it was all running very smoothly. Lots of people are being served and it was orderly and really great to see. |
| 00:26:14.05 | Mayor Burns | Your hair looks good. |
| 00:26:15.13 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 00:26:18.21 | Mayor Burns | THAT'S RIGHT. |
| 00:26:19.14 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | After the shower. |
| 00:26:20.61 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:26:23.97 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Brief report on TAM. There was... The major item that's been moving along is the San Rafael Richmond Bridge, the trying to shorten the feasibility study of this bike lane that goes from east to west. And to actually try and put a movable barrier and allow cars to use that for peak periods. And this is an item that's been put forward by Supervisor Connolly to MTC and TAM voted on recommending to MTC that we move forward with a revised schedule for assessment on that. Now, that was the major topic of discussion, of which I'm already seeing glazed eyes, so nobody seems to care much about the sign of Rafael Richmond Bridge, fair enough. One thing, however, you should care about is that there was the regular Caltrans report. and Caltrans had in writing and Caltrans had in writing and Caltrans announced that they have begun and are beginning and The introduction of ramp metering on all of the interchanges going north on 101, starting at, that will begin at Spencer and go all the way up through to San Rafael. And this is something that has been talked about for a number of years. It's something that the city of Sausalito has said all very well and good, but we don't think that it's a good idea to do this at the Marin City Interchange. And when Diane Steinhauser, the executive director of TAM, was here. I think we pointed out to her the folly of that. Anyway, to know of that, Caltrans are beginning the installation of ramp metering nonetheless. And all the other jurisdictions north of us seem to think this is great. And partly the response from Caltrans has been well if it doesn't work we'll just turn them off which is going to be a showcase for waste of government waste of taxpayers money anyway we'll see maybe our worst fears will not actually transpire. And the traffic engineers at MTC, at Caltrans, have got their facts correct. They believe that once you're on the freeway, it will actually reduce your commute time to San Rafael by four to six minutes. |
| 00:29:19.20 | Jeff Jacob | showcase. |
| 00:29:44.16 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | That's all very well and good, but it may very well clog Marin City exit for 10 to 15 minutes. We'll see. It's completely powerless for us to stop this at this point. And I don't know if Adam, there's any updates from staff on this one, but. |
| 00:30:03.56 | Adam Politzer | No, Councilmember Withey reached out to me and said that, I think it was City of Mill Valley, was not notified and the work was going to start until the city asked them to stop. and so they can make sure they notified their community. So Andy Davidson, I confirmed that to his knowledge, we have not been notified and he reached out to Tam. this afternoon. To one, make sure that we're notified, but also we want to understand the impacts at Gate 6 Road. We want to know the impacts at Spencer at Montemar on the entrance there. So before they start to work, I agree with Councilmember Withey, we can't stop it. But we need to understand the impacts and how to reduce any negative impacts onto our streets. So we'll advise the council when we hear. So, |
| 00:31:00.97 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | That's the end of my report. |
| 00:31:03.67 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Ray, are there cameras on the metering lights? That would be helpful to see the backup that occurs. Thank you. |
| 00:31:15.48 | Unknown | would be. |
| 00:31:15.82 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Thank you. |
| 00:31:15.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:31:16.68 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Thank you. |
| 00:31:16.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:31:16.95 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | I mean, the worst thing is, apart from the Marin City exit where you could see the back up all the way along Bridgeway, what's going to happen at the Spencer Montemar is that you've got all the buses coming in, parking, and you're going to have a ramp metering in bus traffic. I mean, it's just ridiculously stupid. So. |
| 00:31:35.35 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Mayor Burns, if I can just clarify Councilmember Hoffman's question. If you recall the presentation that it's done on sensors on the road. So when the sensors are triggered that reach a certain part, it'll go to green and help clear it off. That's what philosophically what they say will happen. But if it's not triggered, if there's not traffic standing, then the signals will go back on. |
| 00:32:07.27 | Unknown | unit. |
| 00:32:07.70 | Jill Hoffman | I have a few. I'm surprised that Councilmember Withey didn't mention the Marin County Council of Mayors and Council Members meeting hosted by Sausalito on January 23, chaired by Councilmember Withey and hosted by Mayor Joe Burns and our City Manager Adam Pulitzer, where we heard from the CEO of Nextdoor, which was astoundingly informative with respect to the participation of Nextdoor in contemporaneous communications regarding disaster preparedness and how helpful they have been getting the word out where other more traditional notification systems have failed, so next door is actually providing a redundancy for key notifications in these disaster, in these real time for disasters. |
| 00:33:03.54 | Jeff Jacob | real time. |
| 00:33:06.79 | Jill Hoffman | I attended a MCCMC Marin County Council of Mayors and Council Members legislative committee meeting On January 25, I already forwarded to the council and online the materials from that. We had a visit from Senator Mike McGuire who is continuing to work conscientiously on. a housing bill. Um. The hope is that there will be two housing bills for the legislature. to consider. which is a one size fits all. proposed by Senator Weiner, And one, which is a one size does not fit all proposed by Senator McGuire. He anticipates that he will be hosting community forums on his housing bill. this month. And so there will be a Southern Marin Forum, a Northern Marin Forum in which you residents and decision makers can be updated about the status. Sausalito hosted a Super Bowl on January 26 that I know the mayor and I attended. I don't know who else was able to attend. We had, you know, a record number of restaurants and as well as other shops that participated. So that's a great event each year and the winner was announced in the Currents last Friday. And then on the following Sunday, the 26th, Sausalito had its Herring Festival at the Bay Model. which Ironically, the herring didn't start to run until the following day. But it was a wonderful event. and for a good cause with interesting movie and great food. Then we had a general plan advisory committee meeting on Tuesday, January 29th. We are continuing our visioning process. We were very pleased to welcome back Jeff Bradley, who was at the helm. for the M group when the M group helped Sausalito with its housing element. Over five years ago. And Jeff was unique in his ability to understand Sausalito's unique constraints and needs and figure out a path through to accomplish very challenging goals within those constraints. And so I'm thrilled to have him back on the team. the, GPAC will be making a formal presentation to the City Council in the near future. And they will be hosting a workshop regarding the marine ship. Sometime in April and we will make sure that that date is well publicized in the community. is notified. so they can participate fully in one of the most important aspects of our visioning process. AND I THINK I'M GOING TO I attended as the new liaison to Sausalito's Sister City program, I attended the Sister City Annual Meeting on January 26, in which all three Sister city programs presented their budgets and confirmed their feasibility for their student exchange programs for the next year. On January 30, I attended. |
| 00:36:40.85 | Mayor Burns | Are you reading your calendar? |
| 00:36:41.54 | Jill Hoffman | The annual... Sausalito Police Department meeting and had an opportunity to see all of our rank and file lined up. Always an inspiring meeting. And on February 2, again with our mayor, I attended the annual crab feast at IDEST Hall, which was a smashing success. Thank you. |
| 00:37:01.59 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Great. You've been busy. |
| 00:37:03.58 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:37:03.63 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:37:03.65 | Jill Hoffman | Good. |
| 00:37:04.07 | Mayor Burns | I have two items, two committees. One was the PBAC, Pedestrian and Bike Committee that met last night. And they continue to bring out ideas. One of those ideas has been already sent to a letter to the GPAC, which was the little bit of a ramp on Bridgeway from Renship up. You will be able to process that idea, but we still kind of keep it in in the loop with DPW another idea brought forth was bike leaning on Nevada Street kind of a safe routes to school type project that's going from the signal at Bridgeway in Nevada up to the school with a cycle track style bike lane and that's the the green lane that has parking on the roadside so it's a set set lane kind of like you see in Berkeley Oakland and most notably in the Golden Gate Park so again really great design coming from the community into the committees and and bringing that forth to the task that also met a week ago, which is the Safe Route to Schools Task Force attended by principals of both schools, Leslie Alden from the Kate Sears office, our police lieutenant Stacy Gregory, sheriff representative, and a couple others, David Parisi. So we had a great group on on that we'll put this type of idea forth in the safe route to schools the the primary takeaway from last night's meeting was a crosswalk at the MLK fields we're building the the walkway through and the committee would like us to look further into a crosswalk from what's basically the Willow Creek passes the Willow Creek kids pass through the Tomales little Thank you. way through and the committee would like us to look further into a crosswalk from what's basically the Willow Creek passes the Willow Creek kids pass through the Tomales little lane there the dirt path and then across the road and it's it's a lot of kids you know 174 kids live in Marin City and go to Willow Creek so that's a lot of pedestrian children it's a lot of athletic groups running whether they're doing cross-country running or going to an athletic event at the field So we're going to an athletic event at the field so we're gonna look at that we as a committee are looking to DPW to give us some insight on how we can get that furthered so those were three major projects that have come out of that committee in this last meeting and also, the committee voted to make an annual change to the leadership in that committee. Nathan Scripps is the new chair, with Aaron Roller being vice chair, and David Sudo being the secretary. So, yeah, it was a PBC coming along. Love that committee. School district, we didn't attend, but there is a meeting Thursday night, and this is a really important meeting for our community. If you've been following the school district, obviously, there's a lot going on. We hope to hear from the school district in a couple weeks at our next meeting about what's going on in the district, the individual schools, and how the children are doing. Tomorrow night, the public should know there's a meeting regarding the budget and It's not the seventh? February 14th, that's on the Thank you. Yeah, check while I'm finishing it up. Because what the topic is is a million dollar delta coming out of the local school. That is in the interim budget, already approved in the interim budget, and this discussion is to look at that money. That's basically 20% of the local school's budget. So a big financial hit to the school if it proceeds. That also was the primary topic of the election if you followed that. So without getting It is the 14th, huh? Yes. OK. So Valentine's Day. 6 p.m. at the school district offices on Phillips. I think I'm getting a text right now from probably somebody at the school. So we have February 14th, 6 p.m., school district to hear that budget item. And that's all I have. Anything else? That's council member reports. We're on to consent calendar. We have three items. I don't believe we have any recusals. |
| 00:41:32.81 | Jill Hoffman | No. |
| 00:41:32.82 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Thank you. Any public comment on the consent calendar? Opening public comment for consent, seeing none. |
| 00:41:38.39 | Jill Hoffman | I move approval of the consent calendar. |
| 00:41:41.72 | Mayor Burns | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:41:42.71 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 00:41:43.98 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Consent passes 5-0. And that opens up by Lauren, opens up our public hearing. First up is 6A, interim adoption of permit fees for accessory dwelling unit permits. Lily Whalen, Community Development Director. |
| 00:42:06.69 | Lily | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, council members. |
| 00:42:12.07 | Lily | This item is for adoption of a number of fees for the Community Development Department. By way of background, on January 8th, the council adopted two ordinances, which in part added regulations for junior accessory dwelling units. and established an amnesty period for junior accessory dwelling units and accessory dwelling units. |
| 00:42:28.51 | Jeff Jacob | AND, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO |
| 00:42:36.44 | Lily | And now fees need to be established for these two types of permits. So with regard to ADUs, or accessory dwelling units, staff is recommending the council carry forward the previously established ADU permit fee which was established in 2012. And that permit fee is $1,200. So the fee was established in 2012, but was not incorporated into the most recent updated master fee schedule adopted last year. The fee was established by calculating the fully burdened rate of staff to process an ADU permit, and then a 50% reduction to encourage property owners to actually apply for and build ADUs. With regard to amnesty ADUs, staff is recommending the council adopt a similar process, which was established in 2012 for amnesty ADUs. which would be a 50% reduction off the fully burdened rate, and then an additional 50% off that rate for the amnesty period itself. So the fee recommended is $400. |
| 00:43:45.65 | Lily | With regard to junior accessory dwelling units or JADUs, there's a housing element policy that supports the use of various incentives to offset the cost of affordable housing. And staff is recommending that the council adopt a fee for JADUs, which is similarly to the ADUs, half the fully burdened rate to process the JADU permit for a recommended fee of $810. And this fee would be in place on April 6th. With regard to amnesty JADUs, staff recommends the council adopt a similar process as the amnesty ADUs, which was the 50% reduction off the fully burdened rate. and then an additional 50% off of that. And that would be a recommended fee of $270, and this fee would also be in place 60 days after adoption, so on April 6, if adopted tonight. |
| 00:44:45.22 | Jill Hoffman | Can I ask a question on the amounts? Sure. Is that okay? |
| 00:44:45.26 | Unknown | Can I ask a question on the amounts? Sure. Is that okay? |
| 00:44:47.59 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:44:47.85 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 00:44:47.86 | Jill Hoffman | So, Junior ADUs are exclusively interior. Correct. Whereas ADUs could be separate or within, depending on the |
| 00:45:01.03 | Lily | New construction or within, correct? |
| 00:45:01.99 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, correct. And so I'm just questioning the rate. So an ADU, which could be a standalone unit, Is 2400. And a JADU, which must be an interior unit and AND I THINK WE COULD NOT BE be very few modifications to what already exists, to have the fully burdened rate be so similar to that of the ADU seems a little high to me, particularly since it's our goal to um, incentivize low income housing, which JADUs will So can you explain the reasoning, and I'm sorry that I'm asking you this now and not in advance. Can you please explain. the reasoning between the small disparity between an ADU permit and a JADU permit. |
| 00:45:55.85 | Lily | Sure, so staff went through the same process of estimating the amount of time that it would take to process both permits. So for the JADUs, for the new units, we estimated that it would take staff 12 hours to process those permits. So that's the intake and processing of the application. the 30-day completeness review, working with any neighbors that come in, working with the and Writing a letter to the applicant regarding the status of the application, if it's incomplete or not. anticipating potentially an incomplete application and receiving additional materials, which requires another review. and then making the decision. That's how we came upon that 12-hour estimation. If the council would like, the council could consider an additional 50% reduction of that fee during the amnesty period and see how many permits we get and if you'd want to continue with that fee moving forward. |
| 00:46:52.81 | Jill Hoffman | So along that same track, are you using TrackIt with respect to these applications, ADUs and JADUs? We are, to intake. So would it be possible to track? |
| 00:47:03.07 | Lily | Yes. |
| 00:47:06.10 | Jill Hoffman | what you're actually spending on the JADU applications for, say, you know, one quarter or one half of a year. And then come back to us with a recommendation to reduce the fee if indeed we're not spending those estimated hours. |
| 00:47:22.56 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | We can start. |
| 00:47:23.03 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 00:47:24.99 | Jill Hoffman | We can do it. |
| 00:47:25.29 | Lily | that. |
| 00:47:25.48 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:47:25.56 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. And, Lily, now I have a question I wish I would have asked earlier when you asked me if I had any questions. Um, If we were to do an impact fee, Would we be able to offset the burden rate in our recommended fees with that money out of an impact account, development fee account? Or would we have to kind of go to grant program where we grant from that impact fee account to an amnesty program and then recover? the difference of the burden fee. Is there any way to coop that money in an impact fee? If we got to that point of having a lot of these, |
| 00:48:04.44 | Lily | So if we were collecting an impact fee on other construction projects, could those fees be applied to make up the difference? Yeah. |
| 00:48:06.33 | Mayor Burns | In impact feed. In movie. Any other developments? too offset. THE END OF THE END OF THE Yeah. |
| 00:48:15.17 | Lily | I don't know the answer to that question. |
| 00:48:16.41 | Mayor Burns | I can look into. Because that might be some way that we even lower that JADU at some point. |
| 00:48:17.03 | Jill Hoffman | looking to you. |
| 00:48:21.45 | Jill Hoffman | So I think typically impact fees there has to be some nexus between the fee and so that would be a question for the city attorney to consider if that was a route we wanted to pursue. |
| 00:48:24.56 | Mayor Burns | between the |
| 00:48:37.60 | Lily | Moving on to the interim measure. So since the fees go into effect 60 days after adoption, and since the ADU and the JADU regulations actually go into effect two days from now, there's a gap between when the ordinances go into effect and when the permits would be effective. So to bridge this gap, we're recommending an interim urgency measure to ensure that development applications that are filed within those 60-day gap period pay their fair share of costs and it's not, doesn't come from the general fund. So this interim measure requires a forfeits vote of the council. And then after noticing, Thank you. The council may extend the interim authority for an additional 30 days. And there's also a possibility of a second extension. So we're recommending that we would return if the council adopts the interim measure tonight, that we would return on February 26th at a public hearing for extension of the interim measure, and that would be in effect through march 28th and then there would be a second exemption on the march 26 council meeting which would allow the interim measure to go in effect through april 5th and the permanent fees would be effective april 6th With regard to the fiscal impact, staff has provided a fiscal impact analysis of recommending reduced rates for these fees based on several factors including the likelihood that the amnesty period will have as much interest as the prior amnesty period and interest in JADU permit applications seen throughout the county. And then also we took into account information from the 2010 survey the city sent out regarding unpermitted second units. And so that became the basis for our fiscal impact analysis. So with that, staff is recommending that the council adopt the interim measure by a four-fifths vote and the permanent measure, which would amend the master fee schedule for the fees that I have described. And that concludes my staff report, and I'm available for any questions. |
| 00:50:43.00 | Mayor Burns | Thank you, Lily. Any other questions of Lily at this time? Seeing none, I will open up public comment. Any public comment on the ADU, JADU permit fees? Seeing none, I will close public comment and bring it back up here for some comments and a motion. |
| 00:51:02.81 | Jill Hoffman | Can I lead off? |
| 00:51:03.84 | Mayor Burns | please. |
| 00:51:05.11 | Jill Hoffman | in alignment with my question earlier on amnesty on JADUs. I would like to propose that we consider charging. the same rate for both new JADU permit and an amnesty JADU permit, which is $270 rather than the $810 for the Sorry, strike that. I propose we charge 1 fourth of the fully burdened rate for a new JADU permit, just as we are charging 1 fourth of the fully burdened rate for an amnesty JADU unit. During that period? during for six months with direction to staff to revisit and let us know if they're losing money on processing of new JADU permits. |
| 00:52:00.37 | Mayor Burns | you |
| 00:52:00.39 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:52:00.42 | Mayor Burns | Or it could just |
| 00:52:00.72 | Jill Hoffman | Or it could just be for the whole... |
| 00:52:01.42 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO INCENTIVIZE APPLICATIONS? |
| 00:52:04.05 | Jill Hoffman | The purpose is. Yes, so I mentioned earlier the upcoming housing bills, one of which is a one size fits all bill. In urging that not one size fits all, it could be helpful for us to demonstrate that Sausalito is already identifying low income housing. And that Sausalito has adopted a proactive approach to identifying low income housing independent of any mandates that may be handed down by the state of California. So I'd like to be able to make that record. as we continue to promote Senator McGuire's. not one size fits all bill which treats smaller towns like Sausalito, Tiburon differently from larger towns like San Rafael and Novato. |
| 00:52:49.04 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Any comments to Jones? |
| 00:52:52.36 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | I agree. |
| 00:52:52.84 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:52:52.89 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 00:52:52.94 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 00:52:53.32 | Mayor Burns | I agree with it, and kind of taking a little different financial tact, I was more looking at what the applicant would be paying and when they might do that. With a JADU, being that it is a conversion of at least a bedroom, I can just go around a bedroom in a portion of my house without even applying for the JADU. So we have to have a little more financial incentive as opposed to an ADU. Yeah, I totally agree with that. If they're going to ask them to put in a kitchenette and a separate door, and they have those costs as well, we want to make sure that they're doing it. |
| 00:53:11.26 | Jill Hoffman | have a |
| 00:53:14.84 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, I totally agree with that. |
| 00:53:23.75 | Mayor Burns | that the cost varies from the burden rate on the JADU and more comfortable than on the ADU. I would just love to get, I know there are a lot of shared rentals out there. People just renting out a room or portion of their house. If we convert those to a legal JADU, that has a bigger benefit than maybe the reduction of this cost. |
| 00:53:37.30 | Jeff Jacob | Yes. |
| 00:53:45.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:47.97 | Mayor Burns | but I don't want to burden our community development budget either. So, um, |
| 00:53:52.28 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Can I have a quick question of Lily? Please, did we, so really what you're asking, let me just make sure I understand what we're talking about here. So what you're suggesting is that the new ADU permit, new JADU permit fee drops from 810 to? 405. Okay, so you take another half of it. Okay. Question. Has, have you looked at half up. Okay. Question. Have you looked at... I know a number of jurisdictions have taken on junior ADU units. How do we... Would we compare with fees? Have you looked at that at all? |
| 00:54:13.80 | Jill Hoffman | 4.05. |
| 00:54:18.02 | Jeff Jacob | Thank you. |
| 00:54:18.05 | Jill Hoffman | Question. |
| 00:54:29.88 | Lily | Yeah, that is in, there's a table in the staff report, I'm just gonna grab it real quick. |
| 00:54:41.90 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, San Rafael 300, Novato 374, Corte Madera 850. |
| 00:54:48.31 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Okay, I got that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That sort of answers that question. And the second question is, I know way back when we did this with ADUs, an amnesty, we were predicting the huge numbers we were gonna get. And in the end, we got some very respectable numbers, not huge numbers, but important numbers that were tangible and really affected our ability to make arena goals. Have we got any estimates as to how many, what the... market, what the capacity is for junior ADUs. Are you expecting like hundreds, are you expecting 10? Or any thoughts? |
| 00:55:33.92 | Lily | So during the last amnesty period, we processed 34 amnesty ADU permits and that was actually more than we had anticipated receiving I did take a quick look back through that survey that we had sent out in 2010 because we had received a great response rate for that survey. And there are well beyond 34 folks who responded to the survey who told us that they have unpermitted ADUs. So when the fiscal analysis, I gave you an estimate if the program is half as successful, the fiscal impact. So, It's undetermined, we're planning on doing a robust Um, announcement to the community again about the the amnesty period. And the fact that this is the period to come in and legalize your unit because once the period ends folks will have to come in under the new permit rules which may require additional building permits and other modifications. |
| 00:56:38.17 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Thank you. |
| 00:56:38.18 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:56:41.24 | Jill Hoffman | I make a motion. Yes. |
| 00:56:42.01 | Mayor Burns | Yes, let's go one first because we are going to vote. |
| 00:56:45.36 | Jill Hoffman | I move we adopt a resolution, attachment one, which establishes as an interim urgency measure, an accessory dwelling unit permit and amnesty accessory dwelling unit permit fee. a junior accessory dwelling unit permit fee, and an amnesty junior accessory dwelling unit permit fee. Please, I apologize, I didn't say fee after the first accessory dwelling unit permit. With the change to attachment one to reflect that the permit fee for a new junior accessory dwelling unit will be Um, $405 and not $810. |
| 00:57:22.89 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. Excuse me. |
| 00:57:24.39 | Jill Hoffman | Let's do it. |
| 00:57:24.69 | Mayor Burns | Let's do a roll call. We want to do a roll call. So if we need the poor kids, or do we need to do a roll call? |
| 00:57:25.05 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | for a while. |
| 00:57:27.27 | Jill Hoffman | and then, |
| 00:57:27.44 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 00:57:29.84 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 00:57:30.02 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 00:57:30.97 | Mayor Burns | Mr. Rolkoff. |
| 00:57:33.36 | City Clerk | Councilmember Cox? Yes. Councilmember Hoffman? |
| 00:57:33.89 | Jill Hoffman | Cocktail. Yes. |
| 00:57:38.46 | City Clerk | Councilmember Withey? Yes. Vice Mayor, Cleveland Knowles? |
| 00:57:42.31 | Mayor Burns | MOTIVATED. |
| 00:57:42.38 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 00:57:42.39 | City Clerk | Yes. . Mayor Burns. |
| 00:57:43.69 | Mayor Burns | Yes, that motion passes 5-0. |
| 00:57:48.25 | Jill Hoffman | I move we adopt a resolution, attachment two in our packet, that amends the master fee schedule to establish an accessory dwelling unit permit fee, and amnesty accessory dwelling unit permit fee, a junior accessory dwelling unit permit fee, and an amnesty junior Accessory Dwelling Unit Permit Fee with the revision that the amount of the fee for a new junior accessory dwelling unit will be $405 and not $810. |
| 00:58:17.54 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 00:58:18.59 | Mayor Burns | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:58:19.57 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 00:58:20.09 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 00:58:20.12 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:58:23.15 | Mayor Burns | That motion passes 5-0. While Joan grabs some water, we will bring up |
| 00:58:32.39 | Mayor Burns | Thank you, Lily. Thank you. |
| 00:58:33.52 | Unknown | Good job. you |
| 00:58:38.76 | Mayor Burns | Fire Chief Chris Tubbs, you ready? Number 7A. |
| 00:58:43.30 | Unknown | Thank you for the fact we canceled the meeting. |
| 00:58:44.54 | Mayor Burns | Yes, no, I was going to do that. Southern Marin Fire District Lessons Learned Update Report from Chief Tubbs. And we all want to thank you for hanging out as long as you did it at our first meeting of the year. You were a trooper, but we finally let you go. So thanks for coming back. Sorry for all that. Glad you're here. |
| 00:59:01.42 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | No apologies, necessary, Mayor Burns. Good evening, council. We're very excited to be before you tonight. We appreciate the time to present to you and to the community about an issue that's very important to all of us, the threat from wildfire. Though the risk has existed for quite some time, the North Bay fires were a stark reminder to us that this area is not immune from the risks from wildfire and that we still have a lot of work to do. Tonight we'd like to provide council in the community with a summary of what's been taking place across the county. and what we've been doing specifically in Southern Marin and perhaps more importantly what we still have to do. Tonight I've invited Chief Weber from the Marin County Fire Department, Chief Welch from the Mill Valley Fire Department, our Fire Marshal, Fred Hilliard to assist in our presentation and answer any questions that the council may have. I also want to put a bug in your ear that I'll be coming back to the Council on March 12th with a presentation and a recommendation for some changes that we might want to consider making that will assist in dealing with this risk. |
| 01:00:09.51 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Get this to move. Ah, okay. So what is notable, certainly since October of 2017, is that this is the new normal. The fire seasons that we're experiencing is something that we expect to see for quite some time. The governor has aptly noted that and that additional resources and focused attention from all of us is going to be critical if we're going to resolve the threats from the governor. these risks. What's probably important for the council to know, at least as a starting point, is that the strategies that we use, the things that we do are not based sort of in a subjective route, but really are based on Some of the leading science out there, for us specifically, what is called the Community Wildfire Protection Plan for Marin County. That's a very unique plan for us. And it's a live document, so we're able to incorporate new lessons that we learn into that plan. That's a living document. But that then flows down into the work that we do regionally and then locally. Again, another bug in your ear, we will be back at the end of April, April 30th, to do a presentation for the community and the council, specifically on the CWPP. We think that's an important document for everyone to understand how is the science used in that, how do we make these decisions about what strategies we're going to take, what actions, and those kinds of things. So we'll be back to be talking about that. Finally, I just want to highlight for the council and community, there's really four modal paths that all of the actions we take can be grouped under. And nothing notable about this perhaps for you, but for us, we group these into these four areas. Our solutions are either in engineering education, enforcement, or emergency response. What's critical to know about that is all four of them are important. None of them stand alone. They really are about a partnership between those, developing the right strategy from each of those for us to begin to mitigate the risks. And with that, I'd like to introduce Chief Weber. |
| 01:02:16.80 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | Mayor, council members, members of the community, thank you. Jason Weber, County Fire. You know, I think it's also important to highlight that the three of us are here today because we all have jurisdictions that join each other, and this isn't something that we look at independent of one agency, but really we're best served looking at this collaboratively, regionally, and focusing what little resources we all have on this big issue rather than all of us trying to tackle it on our own. And Chief Tubbs and Chief Welch, you know, I couldn't ask for better partners in all of this, so I want to thank them publicly. A little bit, let's skip there forward. The fire season in California is about 78 days longer than it used to be and what we are really staffed for and used to or prepared to respond across the state. It's development into our wildland-urban interface, increased population, 100 years of wildland fire suppression, and I think Smokey the Bear just turned 100 years old. That's not really a good thing for our natural environment that needs fire to reduce fuels. And then, of course, the complexities of climate change we're dealing with today. It's hard to see this on the slide, but I think the highlight of this is a lot has been going on for a long time, and especially in county planning for a wildfire in 1991 after the Oakland Hills fire we're one of the first counties to establish a fire safe council fire safe Marin a well-branded organization and a champion of fire protection here in the county in 1995 we had the 12,000 acre Mount Vision 40-plus homes in West Marin, really brought Marin County into a better place from an equipment perspective as well as the state's mutual aid system, participating in helping our neighbors, but also being able to receive that help. In 1996, California established the California Fire Plan. Each county was responsible to submit a subsequent plan from the county, and that was really our base for starting to use a lot of science to how do we determine where our greatest risks are and what can we do to mitigate those. One of the mitigation factors was the establishment of a local fire crew to start working on fuel reduction, knowing that the lack of natural fire here in the county is problematic but unfortunately that 12-person crew you know doesn't get enough work done county-wide. In 2005 the Mutual Threat Zone was established and this really was a baseline document for all of us to use for evacuation planning you know how we're going to respond collectively to a fire. That plan has been further developed, and we get a lot of requests from the public. What's my evacuation route? What's my plan? We have well-developed maps in this county that we use internally for fire and law enforcement that have pre-designated polygons for evacuations that we're able to connect with our Office of Emergency Services for using like Alert Marin or any of the social media up to the emergency alert system and other things. And we're working on publishing those maps with primary and secondary evacuation routes. I don't think they'll be particularly helpful to an individual that lives in a home. Pretty much we want them to go as they would go out of their neighborhood. But having pre-designated routes one way or another can be problematic because it's dependent on the wind. But we do want to make those available to the public, and that's part of our MTZ plan. In 2009, one of the first Firewise communities was established in this county. I'm proud to announce today, and you probably saw the article, that there's a lot of momentum behind this, and we've just completed the 31st Firewise community in the county and well on our way to becoming number one in the state and the nation for counties that have organized and recognized Firewise communities, which is really cool. In 2014, under a grant with PG&E, we added fire detection cameras. In 2016, the document that Chief Tubbs mentioned earlier, the Community Wildfire Protection Plan, was a big leap for us in the science and data behind, you know, and it's layered GIS that's helping inform our decisions on where we invest our resources. In 2017, working with our law enforcement partners, we updated our evacuation plans. And then in 17 and 18, after the North Bay fire siege, a subcommittee was established. And we'll talk a little bit more about what that subcommittee was. And this is the work Chris had mentioned that's been ongoing. There were really three focus areas with the subcommittee is wildland fire prevention, protection, vegetation management, and then emergency notifications and evacuations and again this is still living and working we're gonna have another meeting coming up but about 67 recommendations came from this the participating functional areas were fire law enforcement the office of emergency services our land management agencies and local government the scope of the work included bringing in the Sonoma County Sheriff, Santa Rosa Police Chief, Santa Rosa Fire Chief, Sonoma Valley Fire Chief, Cal Fire, in a room with this participation group and a lot of very candid questions. What went well? What didn't? What did you learn from this event? And what can we learn without having to go through what you did and that was really the baseline for our documents so then we went and inventoried what do we have here in Marin County already established and then what gaps do we have that we need to fill and really that's where those 67 recommendations came from |
| 01:08:00.74 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | Some of the recommendations for the fire agencies, the increased capacity of fire crews. We know we need to do more fuel reduction work, and we're challenged here with hiring contractors just because of where we're at in the Bay Area and all the other work that's out there. A focus on our seniors and those with access and functional needs. Having consistent code adoption across the entire county to help our residents and our contractors landscapers that are out there guidance support the firewise which we discussed about funding for a county-wide disaster coordinator somebody that can help us prepare our communities through the get ready program specifically community outreach on red flag days so consistent messaging further supporting supporting our partner at FireSafe Marin, our private partner. And then a dedicated funding source for vegetation management inspections enforcement countywide. Some of the land management agency work, the increased fuel reduction in partnership with our communities, a consistent approach to neighbors accessing public lands, so how far can they go to cut on public lands to create defensible space for themselves. Investments with HOAs, the LIDAR mapping piece was a big investment, and this was about a $584,000 project with multiple public agencies that's going to give us better data that will feed the CWPP and allow us to look down at a parcel by parcel assessment of risks in the county. The water district is utilizing an investment plan, land closures consistent across the county with our public agencies, the integrity of our fire road system. With law enforcement, increase the number of evacuations, improve the law enforcement mutual aid system, updating evacuation plans. And that also includes transportation plans in the county. So if we have to move large volume of people, how do we use our public transportation for that? Evacuation, media messaging, and really just educating our public in general about how to be prepared for an evacuation. Make sure that we're doing this in Spanish also for our constituencies that don't speak English. And then improve the countywide consistency, the use of our social media, Nixle, and really understanding what are those tiered levels of alerts for our public, and then have consistency between our public agencies as well as neighbor agencies so we're not confusing the public with messaging, which is certainly something that we've learned from our neighbors to the north. Some of the investments right now, the Board of Supervisors did allocate a half a million dollars for one-time priority projects. Some of the things we're working on with that half a million dollars are investment in our mapping and data and CWPP stuff. A grant for seniors and those with AFN for Defensible Space Program. Grant funding and matching funds for local hazard mitigation stuff. A $75,000 grant through the state homeland security to raise awareness and further infuse the get ready program and having our citizens ready for 72 hours to stand on their own. There's now, this slide is a little dated, but millions of dollars in grant requests to the state through CAL FIRE. And then we'll be back to the board with additional funding requests in the future. Thank you, and I'll turn it back over to Chief Tubbs. |
| 01:11:40.03 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Okay, so as we mentioned earlier specifically, what are some of the things that we're doing in the Southern Marin area? And it's important to note, as Jason mentioned, that none of these are done sort of jurisdiction by jurisdiction. We're working off of a baseline plan. the same types of strategies, we may have to adjust them a little bit for each area depending on what those unique elements are But that we try and do this not only in a coordinated fashion, but where we can leverage efficiencies between our agencies, we try to do that. One of the things that is really strong here in Marin County is the partnerships between the fire service. We're in constant contact with each other working for those kinds of things. One of the biggest areas where we can make a difference really is in fuel reduction. And, and that's where some of the work that we are focusing on, um, not only currently with the resources that we have which have been limited, up until the recent passage of the Measure U ordinance. And with that, we have a million dollars of dedicated funding to help address the risks from wildfire. We'll talk a little bit about that more tonight and then certainly in the coming months. Additionally, with regards to fuel management, another component that's really important to us, of course, is the notification and evacuation piece. While the fuels management is obviously important, if we can remove the hazard, then we reduce the incidence or the propensity for the incidence of fire. We may need to get people out. And one of the things that we learned from the North Bay fires was the importance of redundancy in communication systems. So there were a number of towers that failed, and as a result, messages didn't get out. Chief Welch, as many of you may know, lost his home in that fire and was going door to door to alert neighbors. Some of them were still asleep. Frankly, he was until his wife woke him. I think you said you should always listen to your wife. Is that was the lesson you learned? |
| 01:13:34.43 | Jeff Jacob | THAT WOULD BE. |
| 01:13:36.35 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | you But what it was a reminder to all of us was the importance of developing a number of different ways that we can communicate and they can be as rudimentary as neighbors talking to neighbors. And you'll hear in our Get Ready programs the importance Learning who your neighbors are, introducing yourself, beginning to build partnerships with them to create situational awareness. In case any of those technologies fail, that's another layer of communication. And then that can go up to some very advanced technologies, and one of them that we're looking at right now is called Long Range Acoustical Device, or LRAD. The city of Mill Valley recently authorized the purchase of this system for their area. As they were researching it, we were researching it ourselves. We have a quote and an engineering plan. We're currently doing some internal assessment in the district about the feasibility of deploying that and how we might fund that. It's about a $576,000 acquisition. but we think it could be a very important component to the overall strategy of addressing the issue of ensuring that we've got as much strength and redundancy in the notification systems as we can get. So finally, before I open it up for questions, just some of the next steps. What I'd really like to call your attention to are three things. The second bullet here about how we'll be back in March 12th to speak to you about some legislative changes that we're going to recommend for the council. Additionally, determining the feasibility of this LRAD, we hope to have some additional information to bring back to the council in the very near future on that. And then again, one of the things we've not done in Sausalito to date, we've done in the district over the last couple of years, is we've implemented evacuation exercises. And we want to begin to do that in Sausalito, but we've also learned from our experience that those can be somewhat challenging from the standpoint of getting folks involved, actively involved. And this is where it's going to be very important for us as leaders in the community to help encourage community members to understand their role. We can't do this all alone. This requires a partnership and people being aware of what's going on in their community, knowing how to get out safely from... understand their role. We can't do this all alone. This requires a partnership and people being aware of what's going on in their community, knowing how to get out safely from their home, how to get those messages and communicate them and share them with others. And so with that, I'd be happy to entertain any questions. |
| 01:16:04.28 | Mayor Burns | Yes. Any questions of the chief or the entire group? |
| 01:16:08.99 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, I forwarded to you an article by Dick Spotswood regarding the efforts that San Rafael is undertaking because that article was forwarded to me by various Saucedolido residents urging that Sausalito adopt similar efforts, but I think we already are or we're even ahead of them in some respects, so can you speak to that? |
| 01:16:33.34 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | I can't. I didn't prepare kind of a complete evaluation for the council. We have been working on that. But the summary of it is, yes, most of what has been advertised through the San Rafael plan, we have either already been doing or are already in progress with. There certainly are elements of that that we're evaluating, whether they make sense for our area or not. But, yes, there's a lot of that that they're doing in San Rafael that we are already doing. |
| 01:17:04.02 | Jill Hoffman | um, It was very helpful to hear from Um, your colleague about the evacuation plan and the fact that evacuation plans are not always helpful. because they've vary with the type of wind and the type of emergency. but, Are there already designated routes? You will either go this route or you will go that route. Do you include water escape in your evacuation plan? |
| 01:17:42.51 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | So when we reach out to the community through our Get Ready and our other educational programs, we encourage folks to find two ways out of their neighborhood and two modes. So you may not always be able to get out by vehicle, so you need to know if I had to go by foot or by bicycle, how would I do that? So with regards to actually specifying evacuation routes, the short answer to that would be they'd be major roadways and paths. The reluctance that you hear from us about formally identifying them is based as Chief Weber said, in part we can't predict where fire is going to be. And if we say Street X is an evacuation route, it begins to condition people that that will always be available. Additionally, our incident commander on scene will need to have the flexibility with law enforcement determine which are the best routes out, as well as what are the best routes in for the crews that are providing the emergency response for mitigation. |
| 01:18:40.51 | Jill Hoffman | In working on your fire protection plans, are you coordinating with I know you're coordinating with other fire agencies, but are you coordinating with other agencies including National Park Service, the Coast Guard, the Golden Gate Bridge District for their ferries, and the Red and White Ferry? |
| 01:19:00.27 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Yes. |
| 01:19:00.62 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Are you aware of the challenges, well I know you're aware, because I have forwarded them to you, of buying home insurance in Sausalito? And what are you doing to address that? |
| 01:19:12.11 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Yes, and that's not an issue that's unique to Sausalito. We experience that throughout the county. Periodically, fire agencies will receive a notification from a homeowner that their insurance has been canceled. What we have done traditionally and continue to do, we find it very effective, is that we'll send an inspector out and meet with the homeowner. We'll conduct an on-site inspection, and then we will write a letter to the insurance company, which will generally be favorable to the homeowner. What we're finding is in a lot of cases the insurance companies are making these decisions from many states away, just using technology like Google Maps or Google Earth. Our crews being able to go out and do an on-site inspection gives a much more realistic assessment of the risk. And if in that assessment we determine, yes, indeed, you do have some things you need to do to lower that risk, for example, limbing your trees up a certain distance, clearing debris out of your gutters, moving some of the vegetation away from the home, we'll recommend that to the homeowner. And when that's done, we'll then fire the letter off saying they're good to go. |
| 01:20:18.35 | Jill Hoffman | You mentioned that you have an additional $1 million thanks to Measure U to address risks from wildfire. Will you, with those funds, be able to ramp up your educational efforts for homeowners associations and other residential groups, including the identification of pyrophytic versus fire resistant vegetation in those areas? |
| 01:20:39.76 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Yes, that's in the plan. |
| 01:20:43.29 | Jill Hoffman | We heard public comment at a recent GPAC meeting, sorry. That. Various California and Marin firefighters are concerned that the Cal Fire maps understate the actual dangers to the communities they depict. You did make reference earlier this evening. or Chief Weber did to the more to the better CWPP map. |
| 01:21:10.12 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | Yeah, thank you. So another hat I wear here is we're one of six contract counties in the state of California, so we get to wear the Cal Fire hat and kind of carry out those duties here. We don't have Cal Fire. Not downplaying their mapping system, but I think that it's either going to give people a false sense of security if they're in a relatively, for example, Chief Welch's neighborhood, Coffee Park in Santa Rosa, I'm sure was not in a high threat zone, but ultimately suffered demise during that fire. we caution people to look at those maps and use them as a tool and not swear by them on the same they're not perfect and what we really want to use is when we get better lidar data start to narrow down look parcel by parcel the home out concept where we're starting to reduce fuels and harden the home is probably going to be more important in having an evacuation plan and being ready than looking at a map and saying, oh, I'm safe, I'm in a green area or a yellow area versus the red. So, and weather can certainly turn that map upside down with 60, 70 mile an hour winds. |
| 01:22:15.01 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, last question. A lawyer should never say that, but this is my last question. I am the council liaison to the Community Safety Disaster Preparedness Committee. And that committee last month approved a motion to make fire safety in Sausalito a major priority. or to ask that the city council make fire safety in Sausalito a major priority. Um, Is fire safety in Sausalito a major priority for Southern Marin Fire? |
| 01:22:43.83 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Absolutely. |
| 01:22:46.65 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:22:47.59 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Music to my ears. |
| 01:22:49.99 | Mayor Burns | Any other questions, even easy ones? |
| 01:22:54.63 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Thank you. |
| 01:22:54.65 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:22:54.68 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Yeah, I do. Chief, thanks for coming and thanks to all the Chiefs for joining us here tonight. I had a specific question about the LRAD system. Is this a system, which I think is a good idea, actually, I support it. But does this system offer the ability to give warnings for things other than fires? |
| 01:23:13.80 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Absolutely. As you may be aware, the technology actually came from the Department of Defense. It was developed originally for military purposes, but now found a public application. |
| 01:23:14.41 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | THE OTHER ELECTIONS. |
| 01:23:24.60 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | And the way that the system operates in contrast to a siren system, which we have some of those in our area in Marin County, a siren system, of course, just lets out a siren sound, does not tell the receiver of that what that means. And an LRAD system pushes out an audible voice, a message that's either pre-programmed or can be done live. and this would be, in the case of what the system we're looking at, would be connected to the county's alert Marin system. And as Chief Weber noted earlier, we have these MTZs, the mutual threat zones, which are evacuation zones. Those are polygons that are in a map, a GIS map. So the incident commander can notify the OES and dispatch center, we need to send a message out on the LRED system to evacuate MTZ, you know, fill in the blank. And then that message then goes out repeatedly for folks. |
| 01:24:16.81 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | . Thank you. |
| 01:24:21.27 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | And I have a follow up on a question that council member Cox had with regard to Thank you. coordinating with the ferry, specifically the ferry services, are we coordinating with them as an evacuation route as necessary? In other words, coordinating with the ferry, because we have quite a water access here and access to the water through our. |
| 01:24:43.93 | Unknown | We can ask for that. |
| 01:24:45.65 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | So from a county OES perspective, they're looking at, that's why they wanna tie the evacuation plan into the transportation plan and have a transportation component. That is in process now. And certainly water evacuation is an option to use. And we have those resources available in our countywide plan. |
| 01:24:51.81 | Unknown | the transportation. |
| 01:25:04.30 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | I think we have to caution ourselves that if it's a regional event, like an earthquake, we're probably between the metro areas of the Bay Area. We are not going to be at the top of the list. So I think going back to what Chief Tubbs said, those multiple forms of transportation are important, but certainly water is one of them. |
| 01:25:15.06 | David Hanson | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:25:15.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:25:21.63 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:25:22.91 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | Thank you. |
| 01:25:22.93 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | And I would just augment Chief Weber's comments is that we do have a marine plan in place in the Bay Area that coordinates all the governing agencies and the water assets for those purposes. But more importantly, as Chief Weber said, I think that there's some opportunity to coordinate that with the transportation plan and enhance its capabilities. |
| 01:25:42.53 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Does Marin County have any waterborne fire fighting assets? Like San Francisco has at least one fire boat, because it's almost always over here at our ways getting fixed. But do we have anything like that for Marin County? |
| 01:25:59.36 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | The district owns a fire boat, yes. Okay. And Tiburon does as well, and San Rafael is currently investigating the feasibility of one. |
| 01:26:01.03 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Okay. |
| 01:26:06.38 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Okay, great. Let's see, my last question is, as part of this process, are you guys implementing the State of California Emergency Alert System Plan? Who I have to give a shout out was presented by the Chair of the State Emergency Communications Committee, our own Jim Gabbert, and the update was done in 2017. And more specifically about the multi-platform integration with the warning system. So in other words, not just LRAD, but you use every system possible from a integrated and single access point for pushing out information. |
| 01:26:47.77 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | So as part of your membership with County OES and the fees you pay is Everbridge subscription. And the Everbridge platform allows us to send that information out over all of these different platforms, social media to Alert Morin. And then we get into the wireless emergency alert system. And then the emergency alert system, which would be something that would come over your TV at that higher level. It's a tiered response. And the reason we tier it is Alert Morin can be very specific to an address range in a neighborhood or a polygon that's predetermined. The challenge with the emergency alert system and the wireless emergency alert |
| 01:26:51.59 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | And, |
| 01:26:51.86 | Jeff Jacob | Thank you. |
| 01:27:10.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:27:10.51 | John Donovan | at that |
| 01:27:25.96 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | It's off of cell towers. and or it's the radio. So you get a lot of bleed over. |
| 01:27:29.22 | Jeff Jacob | Yeah. |
| 01:27:31.68 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | or you are evacuating a much larger area than your roads can handle. And that was some of the discussion you heard from Sonoma County of why didn't you go there? We have that opportunity. And... |
| 01:27:36.49 | Jeff Jacob | Well, some of the changes |
| 01:27:42.40 | Jason Weber (Marin County Fire Department) | So 2881, which went through the legislation of Bill 2881, is going to make it an opt-out system. Currently, it's an opt-in, and that's why our subscription numbers countywide are pretty low. It also doesn't include the wireless company's data. They don't want to really share that, but they're going to be forced to at some point with this legislation. |
| 01:28:04.07 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Okay, good, because in Sausalito we have issues with cell coverage over much of our town. So anyway, thank you. |
| 01:28:13.16 | Jill Hoffman | We heard during the coffee fire and other fires that emergency responders were hampered in their ability to communicate because cell services slowed everybody's communications because of the overwhelming usage during the emergency. What has Southern Marin Fire and County done to ensure that its firefighters are able to communicate with key personnel during a fire. |
| 01:28:41.55 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | So apologies, a question on the question. When you're talking about the responders' inability to communicate with each other, Only off of the cellular, off of the radio systems as well. Off of cellular. Yeah. So our primary communications are not our cell phones, but that are our radio systems. And we have a pretty robust radio system in Marin County, not only what's called our Mira system, which operates off of 400 megahertz, but our VHF system as well. In addition to that, the Southern Marin command staff all have satellite phones. So Sausalito is not unique in its cell coverage. We have a lot of pockets throughout the district. And so one of the things that we've tried to build in |
| 01:28:52.18 | Jill Hoffman | Off of cellular. |
| 01:28:56.77 | Jill Hoffman | I'm not. |
| 01:29:22.30 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Again, sort of the same concept with the public notifications, is redundancy in our communication system so that we minimize those types of issues. |
| 01:29:30.47 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:29:33.96 | Mayor Burns | Right? Excuse me. |
| 01:29:36.15 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Yeah, I just wanted to ask you, you mentioned evacuation exercises, and is that something you are going to talk about more when you come back in March, or is that something that you're working with staff on, or what's the... You mentioned that Sausalito has not done any and that we should be. |
| 01:29:53.96 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | We've only begun sort of the planning for this year, and we're assessing with the measure's money if we can do more than one evacuation exercise a year. We normally have done that. May. May is when we have normally done that. So we're looking at the schedule for this year, again, one or two. As we begin to firm up our abilities internally in the district, we'll coordinate with city staff so that we make sure information is communicated out to the community, people have an opportunity to participate, and then there's probably some forum afterwards where folks who have questions about evacuation and notification can talk directly with folks. |
| 01:30:30.46 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Okay, great, thank you. |
| 01:30:32.13 | Mayor Burns | I see that as a really important message when we start looking at the group. And we had a public comment earlier, kind of the ground up. Some people might not be a homeowner, might not think about brush management and those things. But ultimately, when the bell rings, they're going to be panicking on evacuation. And they're not currently set up to so many systems. It could frankly be a next door type communication with them. Are you looking at how to use next door or some of the social media platforms? |
| 01:31:01.29 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Yeah, we have a very active presence on the social media platforms such as Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. We broadcast daily one or more posts. Nextdoor, we'll occasionally push out on that. We don't really have a whole active presence on that right now. But we're currently working on really building out our entire communications program so that we're communicating regularly with the community, not just in emergency events, but on ongoing issues that go on through the district and the city year round. So we're looking at the deployment of a public newsletter as we do more of these things around vegetation management. We think it's real important to communicate to the community how those dollars from Measure U are being used in tangible ways. What are outcomes and what are outputs from that? So we're going to be leveraging that as well. |
| 01:31:30.30 | Jeff Jacob | shoes. |
| 01:31:51.20 | Mayor Burns | And if I, even four that were there might help me, if I remember right from Sarah Fryer of Nextdoor, her message was that Nextdoor will be drilling down the opportunity for those groups to target. Nobody else could really target, like cross-agency, cross, because they have very specific boundaries, right, for their use. But certain personnel would be able to, you might be able to find a way to speak to an Alamante or another district through their service. I think they've identified their value in that process as well. That's kind of what she was. |
| 01:32:25.39 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Yeah, clearly technology continues to sort of open doors of opportunity for us in improving that. So, you know, we certainly will look forward to what that has to offer. |
| 01:32:37.31 | Mayor Burns | Any other questions? I will close questions. Oh, we have one more. |
| 01:32:41.81 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | I had one on my list, but I forgot. Chief, can you tell us, just a brief, I guess, summary of how you manage the vegetation and the, as it backs up to Sausalito for the national parks. I'm sorry I didn't say that, I wasn't very articulate when I said that. But that's been a challenge, I think, with us. And how are we, especially up on Wolfpack Ridge, and especially over by Alexander Avenue, we're right up against. |
| 01:33:10.57 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | I'll invite our fire marshal up. He deals with that on a regular basis. Got a front row seat to it. |
| 01:33:17.50 | Unknown | one question away |
| 01:33:22.97 | Fred Hilliard (Deputy Fire Marshal) | Good evening, Council Deputy Fire Marshal Fred Hilliard with the Southerman Fire Protection District. To answer your question is we work with them. They have a vegetation management plan that they use for mitigating and to reduce their vegetation on their properties. But we also recognize that we have homes that are within 100 feet of their properties, which we need. You know, we want to give at least 100-foot clearance is what we try to do if we can onto these properties, including open space and GGNRA land and whatnot, Caltrans. Best we can do is to work with them and to identify it. A lot of times what it takes is they say, well, we don't have that in our budget this year. We go to the homeowner, to the group of homeowners that were trying to increase their 100 feet and we get permission to go onto their property to reduce that fuel load or reduce the amount of fuel that's as close to the property as we can. within 100 feet so We work with them, and when they have the money or the funding, or if we identify beforehand before they make their annual vegetation management plan for that year, we interject these areas that we would like to see reduced. So unfortunately, we don't manage their funds, and we can't require them to clear their properties. But we have a really good relationship with them, and we've seen this in the past we've reduced we've got prescriptions from them that's what they use to go on to their property in order to reduce the vegetation and we've been successful with that so we continue to do that. |
| 01:35:05.69 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Is there any part of the county's budget or our budget that can be used to reduce that type of vegetation? within the 100 feet. Not the homeowner, but in the park area. even though they don't have it in their own budget. |
| 01:35:23.39 | Fred Hilliard (Deputy Fire Marshal) | Yeah, so it's one of the things that we're looking at right now with the Measure U funding is it possible to use some of that funding to increase the defensible space from the property owners to onto their property. So if the property has, you know, 75 feet that they're clearing and they need 25 feet to make the 100 feet, you know, using some funding to do that. |
| 01:35:48.36 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | I feel like that's probably a matter of concern for Sausalito. It may be one of our biggest areas of threat is that area that hasn't been tended to for some time. Thank you. |
| 01:36:01.38 | Chief Tubbs (Southern Marin Fire District) | Thank you. If I might just add to that, while we have a good working relationship with the GGNRA and the other folks, and we certainly work to, with those partnerships, sometimes we're able to leverage those kinds of change. I think also we could use some assistance at the legislative level. I mean, obviously, if this information is communicated up-line, perhaps more funding becomes available through the Department of Interior for us to do that work. you |
| 01:36:27.70 | Mayor Burns | Any other questions? All right, I will open it up for public comment. Is there any public comment on this item, David Suto? |
| 01:36:42.60 | David Suto | I first of all, I think it was about a year ago that chief tubs put on a ready Sausalito program and I wish we had had a chance to videotape that because that's a really excellent Presentation it went over defensible space and things like that and the need for in pretty graphic terms |
| 01:37:04.54 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Who was at the Bay Model? Yeah, it was last March. Yeah. No, but it wasn't videoed? |
| 01:37:06.26 | David Suto | Yeah, it was last March. Yeah. I don't believe it. No, we didn't. with videos. |
| 01:37:14.26 | Unknown | No. it but we didn't do it. |
| 01:37:16.25 | David Suto | Thank you. |
| 01:37:16.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:37:16.79 | David Suto | Yeah, it's a missed opportunity. I guess whenever we have things like this, it would be great if we can capture that for people who aren't able to go to events. And I would also say that in our disaster planning, we should go back and look in our history books because it was 100 years ago this year that the south end of town almost burned down from a debris fire on Sausalito Boulevard. That's why we have a water tank on Sausalito Boulevard now is because we didn't have any way of fighting that fire. They had to call in troops from the Presidio and Fort Baker to fight the fire and they evacuated the whole at that whole end of town at that time so there's a lot of news reporting about what happened then and there were a lot of lessons learned but I think you know we really need to work on our emergency plans and I think we really have to figure that most people are not going to be able to evacuate with their cars from our hills. I think that's a lesson that we've learned with the Tubbs fire and the Paradise fire both is it's highly likely that when we're trying to evacuate our hills that cars are not going to be our best way to get out of town. In the best circumstances, a lane of traffic can hold 2,000 cars in an hour. And during a fire, that's not going to be our best circumstances when we're obscured by smoke. So we really need to work on that and get our residents to understand the different modes of travel from their house and what to do in an emergency. Oh, and a final note. If anybody wants to experience an LRAD, I would suggest hanging out on the Oakland waterfront at noon-ish because the Coast Guard very frequently tests their system. It's amazing how audible the system is from a half a mile away when they test that. |
| 01:39:18.19 | Mayor Burns | All right. Thank you, David. Any other public comment? Seeing none, I will close public comment and bring it up here for final remarks, appreciations. |
| 01:39:29.46 | Jill Hoffman | I asked all the questions, so I will be very brief and just thank all of the chiefs for coming and also for making yourselves available throughout the year for tours. They have escorted various council members, including me, to the areas that were besieged with fires and allowed us to tour the OES in Marin County so that we can better understand the systems, the impacts and the preventative measures. So thank you for investing your time with us throughout the year and thank you for being here this evening. |
| 01:40:08.38 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | I will echo that. But, you know, you don't, when you have had the opportunity to go visit the areas up north that were devastated by fire, it comes home to you very, very quickly. how important it is that all of the things we've been talking about tonight have to become just simply a number one priority. A number one priority for all of our teams, number one priority for this council, for our staff. Um, And probably the highest priority thing is to help our residents appreciate that it's a good thing to do. More than the team effort, they're the number one players here. And they're the number one partners with all of us and with our safety personnel. So I also want to echo the thanks for your service and being here tonight. So thank you. |
| 01:41:28.94 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Thank you. |
| 01:41:28.95 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Same. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, no, likewise. And I just was going to make the same point that Ray made that, you know, I do think it's really important to educate the community on, you know, the role of our various agencies, but also on the role of individuals in the community and the importance, you know, you cannot be everywhere at once and there aren't enough of you to help all of us in an emergency. So we're going to have to help ourselves. And, you know, I think that's, hard message to get across and that educational effort is a tough one. So I know you're working on that and you raise that at every talk that you give. And I appreciate that a lot. And I'm looking forward to hearing from you in March and moving an ordinance in Sausalito forward to help on in one aspect of all this. |
| 01:42:27.51 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Yes. Thank you all for being here and for what you do. I Appreciate how at one point you kind of divided, you know, both this message and how we look at this with preparation, you know management or brush management defensible space and then when when an event occurs and you know unlike maybe an earthquake where I Our preparation is less, but what we have to do at the time, you know, we can accomplish so much with getting our properties and our spaces cleaned up and prepared. That's what our community really needs to focus on. You know, if we can find a way to stop an earthquake or to lessen an earthquake, wouldn't we take it? And we can do that with fire. So in that, I'm also appreciative that we did mention earthquake through Councilmember Hoffman's question because that is still out there. THAT WITH FIRE SO IN THAT I'M ALSO APPRECIATIVE THAT WE DID MENTION EARTHQUAKE THROUGH COUNCIL MEMBER HOFFMAN'S QUESTION BECAUSE THAT IS STILL OUT THERE AND POSSIBLY A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THAT HAPPENS BEFORE EVEN A FIRE GIVEN THAT WE KEEP HEARING HOW CLOSE OUR FAULTS ARE NOW WE'RE SEEM A LITTLE PROTECTED ON SOME OF THE FAULTS HERE IN MARIN BUT WE HAVE TO REALLY BE LOOKING AT THAT COULD BE OUR NEXT EVENT AND WE and we can't take that off the table as far as our constant preparing. And when that event happens, hopefully it doesn't happen in tandem with a fire, but either event happening, it reminds me of that saying about strategy for a war, and once the first shot's fired, all strategy goes out the window. What you guys have, what your department, your industry has learned over the last couple of years with these fires is just a tremendous amount of information. And thankfully, we have that ability to capture that information in today's world that we didn't maybe 30, 40 years ago. But that you're having to take all that in and put it back out into ideas and policies, it's just a tremendous amount. I mean, it's just, every time I hear know we've heard it for a couple years now your presentations it's it's it's like my gosh this is so big but but you know at some point we're all gonna have to just do something you know and as much information as much practice as we can go through when that first shot does happen that our residents react in the right way so I love that we have this conversation I appreciate that we have you coming back and we're going to talk about some real actual legislative you know we in so many areas we talked about we need to consider this and consider that we're actually going to consider real steps in March on how we limit both of these getting prepared and when an event happens so Anything else? Good. |
| 01:45:03.60 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Yeah, I just wanted to make one more comment, and maybe this is more to staff. I personally expected a lot more residents here tonight. I hear about this issue a lot. We have the committee, the Disaster Preparedness Committee. I don't think we have any members here tonight. This is really interesting, very dense, informative stuff. And I would just like to think about ways to push out these sessions that we have. Now we have a video of this meeting, but to get more people engaged with what you are all doing. So to the extent that we can use all our resources to have people stay to hear this kind of presentation. I think it would be really helpful. |
| 01:45:57.42 | Mayor Burns | And we know we have people at home watching, so if you're home watching right now, tomorrow, make it a point to tell somebody to watch this meeting and learn about what's going on in fire safety. So thank you. That's a good reminder. We need a motion to receive. This report? I wouldn't have to do that. Guys all showed up. We give a motion. Thank you for your report. We received your report. At least I do. And we'll see you on March 12th. Thank you for being here. Next up, consideration of seasonal closure of Tracy Way. Lieutenant Stacy IE Gregory. |
| 01:46:55.97 | David Suto | Thank you. you |
| 01:46:59.80 | Mayor Burns | That's what I think it is. I'm passing 90 problems in the video. |
| 01:47:03.80 | Unknown | you You can't read my writing. That's terrible. That's terrible. |
| 01:47:08.65 | Stacy Gregory | Good evening, Mayor, Councilmembers, Lieutenant Stacy Gregory, and I'm here to simply to ask for the um, Seasonal closure of Tracy Way. But I want to take advantage also and just talk about the upcoming season and some of the work that we've done to prepare for the season. I first want to thank Colette Martinez, the operations manager from the Golden Gate Ferry, for being here. And John and Lisa Scopazi would have also been here if they weren't hanging out with the kangaroos in Australia. Thank you. Um, So... I just want to give you a little update on what's happening and what will happen in March when we open for the season. As you know, they had a banner season in 2018. I think it was our best year yet, and so we're hoping to build on top of that this year. The operations down on Tracy Way are going to stay pretty much the same, and Sa also the bike return is happy to report that most of their staff I think only one person is not coming back so you know they have well-trained staff that's coming on board and we're gonna be ready to hit the ground running One of the big changes that we will have for the Sausalito bike return is their payment system. They're going to use the square. And so we've decided to move forward with that after a bunch of analyzing of the numbers. And it's going to be a lot easier for not only Sausalito bike return staff, but the users. There's many other options now to pay. The one thing is we will no longer be taking cash, which is also going to save a little bit of money ultimately in the long run because we won't have to have it collected out of the machines on a weekly basis. And then they'll have real-time information. They'll know what bikes they have as far as returning You know and and from what I understand there's Demographics of people who are coming and paying and using machine to that the city can capture Golden Gate Ferry has been a great partner. They will, again, be in charge of the queuing. I am confident that they're in the process of finalizing their plans as to what that will look like. They will continue to add boats when available based on our demand throughout the year. And as you know, they count every bike that goes on to every boat that goes southbound. They'll continue to do that for us as well. So we'll have the numbers as to how many bikes are leaving via ferry. So I am appreciative of Colette and her staff and the relationship that has been built between everybody down at the bike area. The bike rental companies, they're also assisting in the congestion management and will continue to do so. The smaller companies, by returning their bikes through Saucelittle Bike Return, which I think most of the, probably 90% at least, of the smaller companies that come into town do use their service. And then the larger companies, as we've talked about in the past, are doing their own return and other things to help us mitigate the issues downtown. And again, the relationships with the bike companies has been really positive. And we hope to continue that. Sausalito Police Department's role, we are in charge of managing what goes on downtown and making sure that everybody has a safe and fun time when they're downtown. We partner with the Department of Public Works. They do the closure. They do any signage, you know, as we kind of evaluate throughout the year. If there's new signage, DPW is on it, making the signs, posting the signs. And so we as the police department will continue to provide an environment to have everybody on the same page in a positive working working relationship and that'll be done with our quarterly meetings we try to meet at least every couple months and we're you know especially on the weekends and daily communication via cell phone and email and whatnot So I'm here to ask that you approve the seasonal closure of Tracy Way and give authorization for the chief of police to make changes in the plans as he determines necessary given that many moving pieces to this operation to manage congestion and parking with the requirement that the police chief report back to the city council as needed. And this is my favorite part. Any questions? Yeah. |
| 01:51:56.36 | Mayor Burns | Thanks. I actually do, and I'm just going to ask before anybody else. Since Colette is here, can she answer a question? Would you be willing to do that, Colette? |
| 01:52:07.49 | Mayor Burns | you know, during the season, obviously, we get involved in the numbers, and we love the numbers. But we don't, obviously, in this off season. I'm down there quite a bit. It seems like there's a lot of bikes. I know you don't have an official count with you, but what's your perception of this off season bike count of southbound bikes going back? Does it seem like it's been consistent with past winter months, higher, lower? Still lower. Okay. |
| 01:52:31.62 | Colette Martinez | Still lower, still tracking, you know, it was about 11% down for the whole year, still tracking again lower. |
| 01:52:38.08 | Mayor Burns | Okay. Great. |
| 01:52:39.53 | Colette Martinez | I do have some numbers. |
| 01:52:41.47 | Mayor Burns | Wow. We didn't plan this. I studied it. |
| 01:52:43.92 | Colette Martinez | So December last year, 24,000 southbound. Excuse me, in December of 18, $20,000. The year before, $24,000. So there we are. Yeah, another 15%. Good 10%. |
| 01:52:58.36 | Unknown | Yeah, another 15%. |
| 01:53:00.59 | Colette Martinez | November this 18, we had 18,000. In 2017, we had 25,000. Wow. So we're definitely tracking. |
| 01:53:08.24 | Mayor Burns | Wow. Wow. |
| 01:53:10.85 | Colette Martinez | Yeah. |
| 01:53:11.09 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Good. Well, sorry. No. Thank you. Sure. Stacey mentioned it, but thank you for – we see you down there a lot. Great. You're welcome. Thank you very much. |
| 01:53:13.75 | Colette Martinez | No. Sure. |
| 01:53:21.04 | Jeff Jacob | See you. |
| 01:53:21.48 | Colette Martinez | Thank you. |
| 01:53:22.90 | Mayor Burns | Now, any questions? I just wanted to get that out of the way. |
| 01:53:27.90 | Mayor Burns | All right. Don't go away, Stacy. We're going to do public comment and get back to you. Is there any public comment on this item public comment on the bike circulation management item scene then I will close public comment bring it back up here for any questions comments and emotions |
| 01:53:45.50 | Jill Hoffman | I would like to comment that I was very happy, well first of all I want to thank Stacy Gregory, the chief, and also Colette. for making this presentation this evening and getting this year started off and also for the great job you've done in coordinating with SausaludobikeReturn and the private bicycle companies. I see tremendous improvement from when I first confronted this issue as a council person. I was very happy to see one of your slides say that Sausalito Police Department is the lead agency for managing downtown congestion issues to create a safe environment for all. We looked at an update last year from the pedestrian bicycle committee there was there were questions raised about who is in charge of managing downtown congestion. So I'm very happy to see. a Sausalito agency take responsibility for that management and I think you're the right agency to take on that responsibility because you've already been doing it and you've been doing a great job with it. So thank you for that. |
| 01:55:00.35 | Mayor Burns | Any other comments? I'm in motion any time. |
| 01:55:04.22 | Jill Hoffman | Intercane emotions. Yes, I move. We approve the seasonal closure of Tracy Way and authorize the chief of police to make changes in the downtown congestion management plan as he determines necessary. given the many moving pieces. to this operation to manage congestion and parking with the requirement that the Chief of Police report back to the City Council as needed. |
| 01:55:24.42 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Second. |
| 01:55:25.73 | Mayor Burns | All in favor? Aye. That motion passes 5-0. Thank you, thank you, Stacey, Chief, Collette. Nice work. Let's roll on to another season. |
| 01:55:26.73 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 01:55:26.76 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Aye. |
| 01:55:27.23 | John Donovan | Thank you. |
| 01:55:27.25 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:55:40.41 | Mayor Burns | That brings us to our city manager report, city council appointments, other council business. We're just about on time, but we're still going to give the city manager plenty of time. But first we're going to open up for public comments on items 7B through 7F. Seeing no public comment on these items, I will turn it over to the city manager for information for council. |
| 01:56:03.80 | Adam Politzer | Since we have an hour and four minutes till we normally adjourn, I will take the luxury to go all into all of the activities of the city. No, I'm going to pass on any additional information. I think the committee reports, especially from Councilmember Cox, shared a lot of the involvement that I am too working in and with, and I think what was very important, and the council recognized it tonight, is the importance of our emergency preparedness and fire safety. And so I think as we go into this next budget cycle that will kick off next month, this will be something important to be focused on as we plan ahead and work with our partners with Southern Marine Fire, our residents, and with the county. One of the things that wasn't shared and why it was important for Chief Weber, Chief Welsh to join us is that we are working countywide, but there is also a real focus here in Southern Marin. And so as we go forward with these community workshops, there'll be some that are regional for Southern Marin, some regional in the county, but we also want to get down to meeting with Our local boards and commissions and particularly with HLB and because as we talk about changes to material, as people come forward with their improvements, There'll be concerns on every home that's older than 50 years will be required. to follow those new regulations and so again, The roofing, the windows, the materials for siding, all of that is what they're talking about when they talk about hardening the protection of those homes. And then going to the Planning Commission, same thing, talking to the Planning Commission, so as design review, including landscape designs come before them, there are opportunities to help make those homes and those neighborhoods safer. And then the Community Development Department working very closely with Southern Marine Fire as for pre-information available to the public before they start the design process. Boxes to check, informational flyers to review, and then obviously staff to meet with to go through those. So all very important. So thanks to the council for making the time tonight to really hear the robust presentation. And I look forward to these conversations continuing in March and April. I'm happy to answer any other questions to the council. That concludes my report. |
| 01:58:49.58 | Mayor Burns | No comments on that, thank you Adam. We have no appointments, we have two positions. We do have an appointment. I'm sorry, you're right, I put my glasses up. |
| 01:58:57.35 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. I actually had a question on that appointment. |
| 01:59:02.09 | Mayor Burns | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:59:02.10 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. We're being asked to reappoint Historic Preservation member David Newman. Has staff received any applications from anyone else who would like to serve on the Historic Preservation Committee? |
| 01:59:17.41 | City Clerk | We have not, Mayor Cox, Councilmember Cox. |
| 01:59:21.51 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. you Thank you. |
| 01:59:28.26 | Mayor Burns | We have a motion. |
| 01:59:31.25 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | I'll move that we reappoint David Newman. Thank you. |
| 01:59:36.44 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Thank you. |
| 01:59:36.46 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | I second that. |
| 01:59:36.58 | Mayor Burns | . |
| 01:59:36.66 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Bye. |
| 01:59:36.68 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:59:36.73 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | Thank you. |
| 01:59:36.77 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:59:36.80 | Councilmember (possibly Ray) | and that's... |
| 01:59:37.09 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. All in favor? Aye. So move 5-0, member David Newman is reappointed. We have two other commissions currently have a vacancy, GPAC and planning commission and both have application requests out at this time. |
| 01:59:38.81 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Bye. |
| 01:59:53.47 | Jill Hoffman | And may we go ahead and schedule the date when we will appoint the next GPAC member because we're right in the middle of visioning right now. And so that's a critical position I'd like to suggest, we appoint them in March. |
| 02:00:07.56 | Mayor Burns | I think we can do March, yes. Yep. Let's we'll shoot for 12. |
| 02:00:12.73 | Jill Hoffman | Great. And so we've put out the advertisement for applications. I don't know how many the city has received to date, I know they've received at least a couple. I'm not sure. Depending on the number, we received over 50 the last time. And so we scheduled a special meeting in order to do those interviews. So... |
| 02:00:28.76 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:00:33.31 | Jill Hoffman | Hopefully that won't be necessary, but. Thank you. |
| 02:00:36.17 | Mayor Burns | Let's take a temperature. We'll have Thursday. Let's check in on agenda setting, and we'll see what that looks like. Great. Thank you. |
| 02:00:36.20 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 02:00:42.48 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:00:42.65 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:00:45.50 | Mayor Burns | Future agenda items. Anything suggested for future agenda items? |
| 02:00:50.36 | Jill Hoffman | I had a question about one of the items on the future agenda items list. |
| 02:00:53.53 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:00:53.83 | Jill Hoffman | It says, explore feasibility of development agreement. |
| 02:00:58.15 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | That was when we had the marijuana regulations. The idea came up from one of the speakers. So it should probably say in connection with non-storefront |
| 02:01:02.31 | Jill Hoffman | Oh. Yes, in connection with marijuana. |
| 02:01:06.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:01:08.38 | Jill Hoffman | America. |
| 02:01:08.72 | Mayor Burns | I'm sorry. |
| 02:01:08.77 | Jill Hoffman | or regulations. |
| 02:01:09.81 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:01:11.30 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 02:01:11.50 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. Commercial, I'm forgetting the exact term. |
| 02:01:15.27 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, let's add that. |
| 02:01:17.95 | Councilmember (possibly Jill) | Thank you. |
| 02:01:18.10 | Jill Hoffman | was like wait where THANK YOU. |
| 02:01:22.37 | Mayor Burns | Anything else? Future agenda items? |
| 02:01:22.42 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:01:25.49 | Mayor Burns | Seeing none, any other reports of significance? Ideas, anything you guys want to chat about? Seeing none, it's nine o'clock exactly, and I am going to adjourn tonight's meeting in the memory of Don Olson. A great architect and left his footprint all over this town. One of those people and jobs that really does leave a legacy. So cheers to Don Olson, and I adjourn this meeting. |
| 02:01:33.25 | Jeff Jacob | It's nine o'clock. |
Krista Reynolds — Neutral: Proposed an informal town hall for disaster preparedness education to increase community awareness and engagement, noting previous lack of action through formal channels. ▶ 📄