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| 00:00:01.03 | Guy Kelly | What you gonna do? |
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| 00:01:21.98 | Unknown | Robert Taylor has had me to tease. But now I'm broken hearty. I can get started with you. . you |
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| 00:02:13.11 | Unknown | So with me. How you easy, didn't we? Okay. You never stain on me yet. Now you've defeated me. |
| 00:02:29.07 | Unknown | Yeah. you |
| 00:02:31.81 | Unknown | Till you're my Waterloo When J.P. Morgan bows, I just snore We pastors wanted me to play guard |
| 00:02:44.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:45.22 | Unknown | The Sammie's twins are falling. Can't get started. with you. |
| 00:02:59.34 | Unknown | Hi, this is Matt Stolling, and you're listening to Radio Sausalito. |
| 00:03:11.98 | Unknown | Just in time. Thank you. you You found me just in town. Before you came. My time was run. |
| 00:03:23.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:27.47 | Unknown | I was lost. The losing dice were tossed. My bridges are crossed. Nowhere to go. Oh, no. You're he. And now I know just where I'm going No more doubt, no fear. I'm one. Because love came just in time. You found me just in time |
| 00:04:01.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:04.65 | Unknown | And changed my lonely life. That lovely day Just in time, you found me just in time. Before you came, my time was running low. I was lost, the losing dice were tossed. Five bridges all were crossed Nowhere to go |
| 00:05:02.97 | Unknown | You found me just in time And changed my lonely life that lovely Lonely life that lovely Lonely life that lovely day. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Lonely life that lovely. lonely life Lonely, lonely like that lonely day Lonely, life's not lovely. A lovely life that's a blue moon. Lonely life that love me Hey! You changed my life. My life, my life. Oh, my God. |
| 00:06:24.43 | Mayor Burns | No progress on this. you Thank you. |
| 00:06:31.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:32.34 | Unknown | Radio Sausalito would like to thank the City Council and management of the City of Sausalito for their generous donation. You help provide something that few other cities of our size have, its own radio stations. |
| 00:06:32.39 | Unknown | Radio. Thank you. |
| 00:06:49.64 | Unknown | The ferryboat Berkeley set a long and varied history, some of it here in Sausalito. When she was launched in 1898, the ferry, Berkeley, was the largest commuter ferryboat in the United States with 1,700 passenger capacity. For 60 years, she operated between Oakland and San Francisco, but after the Southern Pacific decommissioned her in 1958, He was moved here and eventually was converted into a gift shop called the Trade Fair. During her time in Sausalito, actor Sterling Hayden rented one of Berkeley's pilot houses as an office while he wrote his autobiography, Wanderer. In 1973, she was sold to the Maritime Museum of San Diego. where she remains as a historic landmark. |
| 00:07:37.01 | Unknown | Hi, I'm Larry Clinton, and this Secret Historic Moment has been a co-production of the Hossoslito Historical Society. and Radio Sausalito. Stay tuned to Radio Sausalito to learn more about our secret history. And if you've got a question about our colorful past, Send an inquiry to info at SaucelitoHistoricalSociety.org. together. Let's keep Sausalito history alive. |
| 00:08:06.13 | Unknown | Why not volunteer for Radio Sausalito? No matter where you are, there's probably a way that you can help us and have some fun. Whether you want to create the playlist that you want to show, or just get your... |
| 00:08:14.57 | Mayor Burns | It's a good search to show. Good evening. you |
| 00:08:17.96 | Unknown | This is the place to talk. |
| 00:08:18.00 | Mayor Burns | Welcome to the Tuesday, April 16th, 2019 City Council meeting at 710. I am going to ask for a roll call. |
| 00:08:25.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:28.80 | Unknown | We can't promise fame or fortune, but we think it's true. |
| 00:08:31.39 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Council Member Cox. |
| 00:08:33.62 | Unknown | Here. |
| 00:08:34.41 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 00:08:36.56 | Unknown | Here. |
| 00:08:37.35 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Councilmember Withey? Here. Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles? Here. Mayor Burns? |
| 00:08:42.21 | Mayor Burns | Here, Michael Rex, will you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance, please? |
| 00:08:48.07 | Michael Rex | to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:09:03.61 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. The reason we're getting a late start is we're in closed session. We have no closed session announcements. Is there any public comment on the closed session items? Items listed on your agenda as closed session items. There's quite a few of them there. |
| 00:09:21.61 | Mayor Burns | Sir, do you have a Well, This is on the public comment on the closed session. Yes, please go ahead, Mr. Michael Fogle. |
| 00:09:25.38 | Unknown | and the |
| 00:09:31.52 | Unknown | as CDS Yeah. Am I heard okay here? Yeah, I'm Mike Fogel. I'm a guest here in your community. My son and daughter-in-law reside here. I have been viewing the project known as the Dumpy Park and was curious. I asked them about the project. They said they really were not informed about it but would like to know more about what's happening at the site. They're busy people. I said, I've got time. Let me go to the meeting and see if I can find out more. My career as a banker. In presiding over projects like that, it just didn't seem to me that there's much happening there, which oftentimes means there are environmental concerns or activist objections or other causes for resistance. So that was my reason for being here, and that's really all I have to say. I'm just a curious guest in the community. |
| 00:10:31.91 | Mayor Burns | Great. Thank you. Thanks for your comments. Any other public comment on closed session items? Items that are listed on our agenda as closed session items. Mr. Jacobs. |
| 00:10:44.07 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you, Mr. Mayor and City Council, citizens of Sausalito. I'll speak to Dunphy Park right now. Thank you. IT'S When... |
| 00:10:55.30 | Mayor Burns | It's not on our closed session. |
| 00:10:56.49 | Jeffrey Chase | It was the gentleman before me just spoke on it. |
| 00:11:03.50 | Mayor Burns | Go ahead, Jeff. |
| 00:11:04.23 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 00:11:04.55 | Mayor Burns | you |
| 00:11:04.60 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. Dunphy Park. in the space of a day was decimated. Decimated literally means one out of ten. In this case, It was 63 out of 66. trees. were taken down. Dunphy Park. Was a toxic dump. By taking the top. of that park off. The fumes spread through the city. for a number of days. Still? the toxics that were under there, are going out into the bay. One block of Dunphy Park. from Napa Street. South. is slated to become a parking lot. What was once a paradise. will be paved not only in that way, but with pavement around the perimeter as well. |
| 00:12:20.78 | Jeffrey Chase | If you looked at the comments on Nextdoor, They were... Shocked. |
| 00:12:33.72 | Jeffrey Chase | On the other hand, I'd like to end with good news, Mr. Mayor and Council. The big willow tree. after which our city is named Seems healthy. There were crows on top of it, I was wondering for a while, and the little one behind it also. The avocado tree. remains of a pair that were there. Nice rhyme, huh? Without Its sister or brother avocado. Avocados do not propagate. That avocado tree? It had avocados on it. The chances of it having avocados again. are slim. |
| 00:13:28.46 | Jeffrey Chase | The fences aren't just being built on our border. They're being built here in Sausalito. INTIPERAN. |
| 00:13:39.18 | Jeffrey Chase | Also. Sometimes offense meant to keep people out. that we're going to be able to imprisoned people inside. I hope that doesn't happen. |
| 00:13:51.09 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:13:51.60 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 00:13:51.97 | Mayor Burns | in the future. |
| 00:13:52.88 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 00:13:53.13 | Mayor Burns | Any other public comment on closed session items? Seeing none, I'll close on closed session items and ask for approval of our agenda. |
| 00:14:00.59 | Jill Hoffman | So moved. |
| 00:14:00.81 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Yeah. you Second. |
| 00:14:02.67 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:14:03.02 | Lili | Thank you. |
| 00:14:04.10 | Mayor Burns | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:14:05.16 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 00:14:05.59 | Lili | Thank you. |
| 00:14:05.87 | Mayor Burns | That passes 5 to 0. Yeah. Special presentations, Mayor announcements. Any special presentations? We have seen none. I will announce that we will be adjourning tonight's meeting in the honor and memory of Lou Wilkinson, who is a long time great resident who helped so much on so many different things, and most recently with our VIP program. Lou had that face that you would know because it just kind of blended in with the events and the things that happened around town, so his memory will be honored tonight as we adjourn. Next up we have communications. Public communications, this is the time for the city to hear from residents on items not on the agenda. Items that will not be discussed later tonight in consent or other areas of our agenda. If you have a public comment, please fill out a green speaker card. The council may refer items not on the agenda to city staff or direct that the subject be agendized for future meeting. Please make sure you have completed a speaker card. Is there any public comment on items not on the agenda? Seeing none. So we have one. staff or direct that the subject be agendized for future meeting. Please make sure you have completed your card. Is there any public comment on items not on the agenda? Seeing none. So we have one. |
| 00:15:13.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:40.36 | Jeffrey Chase | Mayor, City Council. you Thank you. and citizen. Chief of Police. |
| 00:15:52.71 | Jeffrey Chase | I'd like to speak a little bit about something that I've talked about before. |
| 00:16:01.16 | Jeffrey Chase | And I'm glad Jill Hoffman is here. after missing three out of four meetings after it was revealed. that on her front, Form 700. Financial disclosure. which is being pursued in Washington, D.C. as well. She put no assets. and no businesses. |
| 00:16:28.87 | Jeffrey Chase | If she has amended that form, I'd like her to tell me now. |
| 00:16:36.11 | Jeffrey Chase | I assume she is not. |
| 00:16:43.10 | Jeffrey Chase | A government can only Be run. An organization can only be run. A family can only be run. If the human beings inside are not motivated by self-interest. In the United States of America. That interest often tends to be money. People making profit. off of their positions. |
| 00:17:24.00 | Jeffrey Chase | We cannot even know for Jill Hoffman, |
| 00:17:32.36 | Jeffrey Chase | Besides going to her house. Seeing her cars, seeing her here at the meetings. Not seeing her at food banks. not seeing her. with the poor. WITH THE HOMELESS, With the anchor outs. We can assume that she is prosperous, is actually the way it's supposed to be. Because if somebody is too poor, they'll tend to accept a bribe more easily. |
| 00:18:06.46 | Jeffrey Chase | We... The people... are asking that Donald Trump reveal his tax returns. He's legally required to. In California, the Form 700, a great law, A great law. Unless it is defeated because there was not a contested election in Sausalito. So there was no need for her to fill out the form. POLITICS CANNOT BE LIKE THAT. |
| 00:18:35.16 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Is there any other public comment on items not on tonight's agenda? I will comment that Councilmember Hoffman did not miss three out of four meetings. |
| 00:18:44.62 | Unknown | She did. |
| 00:18:45.44 | Mayor Burns | Is there any other comments? Seeing none, I will close public comment. Excuse me, we're done. |
| 00:18:52.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:54.71 | Mayor Burns | Bringing up action minutes of the previous meeting. We have meeting minutes from February 26, 2019. |
| 00:19:01.44 | Jill Hoffman | Move approval. |
| 00:19:04.54 | Michael Rex | I'm sorry. |
| 00:19:04.63 | John Scappozzi | to the next episode. |
| 00:19:04.70 | Michael Rex | Right. |
| 00:19:04.95 | John Scappozzi | Thank you. Oh, |
| 00:19:05.44 | Mayor Burns | FAYER. I. |
| 00:19:06.33 | Jill Hoffman | Aye. |
| 00:19:07.46 | Mayor Burns | Any noes? Seeing none, five to zero, passing of the minutes. This is the section of our meeting where the council members discuss the committees that they have attended or been a part of in the last few weeks. And we will start with whoever would like to go. I think we've had quite a few. It's been a busy April. Want to start, Jill? |
| 00:19:30.89 | Unknown | We had a waterfront committee meeting, but we're going to talk about most of that later with our pilot program. With regard to the marinas and transitioning people off the water who would like to move off the water into a marina. We also discussed our schools task force and whether or not we had a recommendation for the city council going forward, in light of the meeting that's tonight in Marin City with the Attorney General's office. We, Council Member Cox and I decided that we were going to wait until after that. to give our further recommendation. So I think that's, and we had an OMIC meeting today, and I don't think anything to report from that, Ray. Anything, no? No. |
| 00:20:24.18 | Unknown | Great, great. |
| 00:20:26.96 | Michael Rex | Other than we reviewed the status of the MLK tenants basically. Would you agree? Yes. That's what we did. So we had that omit. We've also, together with Council Member Cox, had a sewer committee meeting. I'm not going to talk about that considering we have that as an important agenda item tonight. So there's no point being repetitive. |
| 00:20:33.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:20:33.81 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:20:34.07 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:20:58.92 | Michael Rex | also gpac um it's going pretty well again i've liaison with council member cox um we'll be talking about gpac a little later on so i'm not going to talk about that either so um This agenda has preempted my reporting. |
| 00:21:17.50 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:21:19.76 | Michael Rex | Councilmember Cox. |
| 00:21:20.56 | Mayor Burns | you |
| 00:21:20.59 | Jill Hoffman | Sure. Well, Mayor Burns and I attended a finance committee meeting at which we reviewed the CAFR that we'll be reviewing on our consent calendar later this evening, so I won't discuss that any further. Um, And almost all of us attended the mayors and council members meeting at which I was appointed as one of the representatives to Association of Bay Area Governments and MTC. |
| 00:21:51.83 | Unknown | it. |
| 00:21:52.06 | Jill Hoffman | Metropolitan Transportation Committee housing legislation committee. That committee has met twice since my appointment less than two weeks ago. And we have been reviewing dozens of pieces of pending housing legislation, including legislation pertaining to accessory dwelling units, creation of affordable housing. And so the committee is weighing in on A, additional information needed. |
| 00:21:52.10 | Unknown | Metropolitan, |
| 00:22:22.51 | Jill Hoffman | And B, recommendations to the legislators putting forward the legislation. about how to ensure that the legislation indeed serves all of the municipalities affected by it. Um, Many of us also attended a rotary gala event at which significant monies were raised to benefit the sister city program. Um, And my thanks to the mayor for agreeing to emcee an event. which was one of the fundraisers for the sister city. And all of us were privileged to attend the volunteer acknowledgement event last week, at which we acknowledged our hundreds of volunteers without whom we could not do our jobs. |
| 00:23:06.28 | Mayor Burns | Thank you, Susan. Vice Mayor Knowles. |
| 00:23:09.65 | Unknown | and it's not. I attended my first meeting as the regular member of the Transportation Authority of Marin board in March. And actually I'll send this to everyone so it's on the record. We looked at transportation bills that are pending in front of the state legislature and agreed on positions on most of those. So I will forward those to other council members, and then there was also a sustainability commission meeting. while I was out of town, but there was apparently a very interesting presentation by Robert Haley about waste review studies. And the sustainability commission has posted that online. So I encourage everyone to take a look at that. |
| 00:23:57.48 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. I had a daughter out of town for two weeks, so it gave me the opportunity to go to just about any meeting I wanted to. So this is going to take a while. If you want to get something to drink, go to the restaurant, I'm going to be here for a while. First off, I want to say I put a letter out to the chairs of the nine committees plus our planning commission, committees, boards, and commissions, and basically it was something we talked about the previous meeting that the chairs received a letter stating that we're just going to provide a little different opportunity for them to provide information both to us and the community. And there's really three points to that. One was an annual white paper that committees will be producing. Many do that currently, they just don't have a really direct publishing of it, but they have kind of their goals and objectives on a sheet of paper or working document that they use within. We want to just kind of harness those, get them into both our files as well as on the website, and more importantly, to the public and to the other committees. So we have maybe less crossover or better crossover on some of the items that we're working on and we had a public a pike and ped last night that we found about three or four items that we were talking about that other groups were considering as well so um what you're going to see a difference in this meeting is on this council member committee reports is they'll have an opportunity at least once a year to speak to us on items they want to do outside of their white paper or if they want to come in public comment but we just want to hear from the committees a little bit more. They're receiving that message now and we'll be processing that internally for each. There is no direct format for that document. It's something that they can share with each other to grow so it's a more effective BMP style product. Hospitality, hospitality is a committee meeting that I've attended a couple times in the last couple weeks because they're very actively looking at a program too. And this is kind of where we have to be diligent with our wording on what they're doing. They're looking at ways to reduce impacts from our tourists while increasing revenue. And those aren't necessarily. mutual exclusive they do happen and they do happen with it with an effort and with the process and the hospitality committee is looking at that from targeting certain types of groups to targeting what they do when they're here and more importantly setting up pillars of lifestyle and quality of life that we as residents want in our community and then that's why people would come is because we're living the life we want to and those pillars are anywhere from art food Oh, uh... We're crying out loud. Wellness was one, outdoor recreation. So things that we use to attract the right person and reduce the impact of tourists that are clogging our streets and not doing some of the things we want. So that's the goal of that group right now. I attended a CDBG. That's the acronym. That's the Community Development Block Grant group through the county of Marin. And the county of Marin receives money from the federal government to spend on HUD related projects. And HUD being the overseeing of fair housing and practices, so taking into consideration the protected classes of race, religion, national origin. And there's many, many applications for this roughly, I'm going to say, I didn't get the number for my report tonight, roughly 1.5 million. And our local Galilee was there to present and we have received money before from this group from Galilee, in fact, it's something that's actually in our report tonight as well. BUT LOCALLY WE DID DO, GIVE 10 $11,000, we gave $11,000 to the Marin Horizons Schools Community School in Marin City. So they had a request of 30, we ended up giving them $11,048 towards the program that's teaching a two to four year old from the Marin Horizons in the community school. The other funding element that we did that had a local impact here in our community is the Marin City Wellness and Health Center. They got a total of $124,000 out of the various pots that this money comes from. So good news for our local communities here and all in all, a big chunk, 700 and something thousand went to housing programs. And again, this is federal money coming through the county to the various communities. Disaster prep, went to my first disaster prep. Obviously that's a big topic right now in committees, given what our winter was like and what our outlook is like with fire and our WUI. And so we had all those types of things on the discussion list. The promising and the exciting element coming out of there is the excitement of the committee, but also the Disaster preparedness guide that will be available to residents soon. And this is kind of been our message. We don't know when, where, how, or what, but we know we have to be prepared with at least a go bag and other elements of preparedness. And this committee is going to be putting out a guide. It's basically into the underwriting stage and that'll be out and Let the community know how they can get theirs either electronically or in print. MTA, Marin Telecommunications Agency is a JPA here in the county that basically oversees the franchise of the telecommunication lines that go through our communities. And that gives the cities an opportunity to control that physical infrastructure as well as receive fees from these franchise providers, Comcast, AT&T. And we turn those around in two forms. One to give us some money as well to give the provider of cable TV, which in our community is CMCM, the community of Marin's Central Media, Media Center, yeah, Media Center. And those are called PEG fees, Public Education and government channels. So that commission looks at that, that JPA looks at those types of issues. That has been under attack recently in the last couple years from these franchise providers. They don't want to pay these fees anymore. So we're actually a larger JPA. We have gone through a lot of process to have a bigger voice. We represent ten communities. We fight on behalf basically, we've written letters to our federal leaders, our state leaders to support legislation that protects the local control of both the infrastructure as well as these fees. And they're under serious attack now on the federal level, FTC is putting out a ruling that the peg fees might be at risk. Representative SU has a bill called HR 530 that would limit FTC's ability to do that. We obviously support that both locally and as a, as a, as an industry of telecommunication So that's really the gist of that meeting is we're putting together our budgeting. We look like we're okay for this year, and the city manager's probably already received a report or will be receiving a report soon. We're okay this year, a little less, but in the future years it might start impacting us. And we receive approximately $175,000 a year from that budget, so not a small amount. Finally, the bike and ped commission met last night. They are so active, and luckily we had our city engineer and interim director of public works. I can go on and on with your title, but I won't. Dave Bracken was able to attend and hear some of the energy and the projects that that committee is looking at. They're all over getting involved with both the general plan, the ferry landslide issues, and And looking at so many different things from Safe Route to Schools to Marinship paths that you talked about on the GPAC. So very exciting group and they have great ideas on anything from stairs for disaster to to better use of our streets for kids to pedestrians on sidewalks. And it's definitely a committee to take heed of. And all of these that we've all talked about tonight, and like I said, there's 10 committees plus numerous task force and other commissions. I asked the community whether you're watching now or on TV, get involved, check them out, come to the meetings. We want more bodies, we want more input, and we want the expertise of our community to come through those committees. That's all I have. Any other committees? Reports? Seeing none. Moves us to consent calendar. Consent calendar items are considered routine and non-controversial, require no discussion, are expected to have unanimous council support. It may be enacted by the council in one motion in a form listed below. There will be no separate discussion on consent items, however, council votes on a motion to adopt the consent kind of Calendar items, council members, city staff, or members of the public may request that specific items be removed. First of all, is there any recusal of any items on here tonight? Nope, you have to recuse on. |
| 00:33:18.82 | Unknown | Yes, for me, item 5B. |
| 00:33:23.14 | Mayor Burns | 5B will be considered separately |
| 00:33:29.25 | Mayor Burns | I got a property in there. |
| 00:33:35.23 | Mayor Burns | Any others? Is there any public comment on The consent items, public comment being wishing to request removal. or further discussion on any consent Calendar item. |
| 00:33:47.82 | Unknown | I would like to have discussion. |
| 00:33:47.83 | Mayor Burns | Um, I'm going to do public comment first, and then I'm going to close public comment, and now bring it up here for |
| 00:33:51.29 | Unknown | AND I'M GOING TO GET A |
| 00:33:54.92 | Mayor Burns | discussion. |
| 00:33:55.06 | Unknown | . Just note that on item 5J, which is the comprehensive annual financial report, we are going to have a more comprehensive presentation of that on May 30th. Thank you. So that was a question that I had asked the staff and that was the response. |
| 00:34:11.12 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:34:12.64 | Unknown | and, |
| 00:34:12.98 | Jill Hoffman | Mr. Mayor. |
| 00:34:13.63 | Mayor Burns | Yes. |
| 00:34:13.99 | Jill Hoffman | On item 5K, I would like to amend the AND I THINK THAT'S A item that we will be approving to reflect the fact that Galilee Harbor will be paying for whatever the cost of the sewer lateral is, even if it exceeds the cost estimate reflected in our staff report. |
| 00:34:44.51 | Mayor Burns | So good. All right. Anything else? It looks like we'll have two motions. one without 5B. |
| 00:34:54.81 | Jill Hoffman | I move approval of the consent calendar items 5A and 5C through 5K with the amendment to 5K previously enunciated. |
| 00:35:04.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:05.09 | Mayor Burns | All in favor? Aye. That passes 5-0 on items 5A, 5C through 5K. |
| 00:35:06.15 | Jill Hoffman | I. |
| 00:35:12.48 | Jill Hoffman | I move approval of item 5B. |
| 00:35:16.17 | Mayor Burns | Second. CALL IN FAVOR? Thank you. |
| 00:35:18.55 | Jill Hoffman | Hi. |
| 00:35:18.92 | Mayor Burns | abstain. |
| 00:35:21.34 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:35:21.35 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:35:22.47 | Mayor Burns | That item passes 4-0-1, abstention. |
| 00:35:31.97 | Mayor Burns | We now move to our business items. And first up, I see them coming up right now. We are going to receive an update from Cass Gidley on the project status and timeline. Kicking us off will be our Parks and Rec director, Mike Langford, accompanied by John Schiappozzi. |
| 00:35:53.52 | Unknown | Well, good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Council, residents. And Mr. Mayor, I'd also like to give you credit for attending the Park and Recreation Commission meeting a couple weeks ago. That was so long ago. Yes, many. It was a fabulous meeting, thank you for that. Yes. Today I'm here with John Scopazi to give you an update on the Caskidli Marina, a Sausalito Community Boating Center, their project status, and as well as a timeline report. I'm going to begin with a little bit of history. |
| 00:36:05.38 | Mayor Burns | Many meetings ago. |
| 00:36:22.29 | Unknown | First off, in 1999, the city entered into a formal lease agreement with Cass Rental Marina. Now this was a formal agreement, but they've been using it since approximately, had been using it since approximately 1962. So there's a long history in town of the property being used as a sailing center. Somewhere between 2009 and 2010, Cass Marina ceased operations. In 2010, the city received proposals from various groups to utilize the property. In 2012, a right of entry agreement was entered into between the city and the newly formed Casculi Marina, which is now known as Casculi Marina, a Sausalito community boating center, or SCBC. The reason why we did this to allow them in there is there was a lot of things that needed to be cleaned up. Some of the buildings were falling over, and we had a volunteer group that was interested in the property, not ready to quite sign a lease. But they were eager to get in there and do what they could to preserve what was on site. In October 2014, the city entered into a five year lease agreement with the Saucyedal Community Boating Center. And just recently, March 2019, Sausalito Community Boating Center exercised their renew their lease through September 30th, 2024. And now what I'd like to do is introduce John Scappozzi, who is the board chair for the Sausalito Community Boating Center. |
| 00:37:52.96 | John Scappozzi | Thank you mayor and city council and citizens for inviting me out here to give you a report. |
| 00:37:54.07 | Unknown | Thank you. So. |
| 00:37:58.48 | Unknown | MMM. |
| 00:37:58.68 | John Scappozzi | Thank you. Just a little bit about myself, some of you know me from construction, 25 year contractor in Marin County. My wife and I run Five Star Yacht out of Sausalito. We were here for about 18 years and I'm also work on the bike area. So we run Sausalito Bike Return also and I'm on the business advisory committee here in Sausalito. I joined the board in October of last year, and once Heather left, I became chair in November. And Heather will be back. She's working her way up the coast, and is going to come back and do the sailing and boating program. So sometime in May she'll be back, and then over the summer she can work on stuff like that. Good, our mission statement's up there. That's been up there for this mission statement for a long time. Basically, our overall goal is we just want to get people on the water, whether it's sail camp lessons, taking out some of our vintage boats, but our goal is really just to get people out on the water. So I've got to hit something here, right? Thank you. |
| 00:39:09.22 | John Scappozzi | You gotta show them what, just enter? Right arrow? Thank you, I didn't know. Okay, so there I am, board chair. Mary Gidley, of course, we have to keep her going on fundraising and PR. Raylene Gorham, she is new also to the board, joined about when I did. Secretary Ann Teller is also new on the board. She joined just after I did, because I needed a treasurer, and she's a wonderful treasurer in town here, helping out a lot. John Chewy, our fleet and port captain, is taking care of all the boats, doing a great job, and Bob Boyle also fundraising and PR, so we're doing a bunch of stuff. So where are we now? First slide. Put the next slide here. List of permits. So just want to take a little side note here because, like I said, I joined the board in November of last year, five months ago. And the biggest question I get is, where are you now? But besides that, people are asking, when are you going to start? Nothing's happening. So that's what I've been getting from the community in the last five months here. So I looked at the timeline and I looked at what they did in that five years and I think a whole bunch got done. A lot got done. The lease was obtained in October 14. Three years and nine months later in July of 18, the permits were ready for pickup. This was done with a lot of volunteer labor, especially from Michael Rex, who has hours and hours of volunteer labor in this. A project like this could take up to five years to get through. And I know of an architect right now who has a project like this five years in and there's still no line in sight. So I think that with the volunteer labor, having it come under five years is very, very well done. Now we go to, what's my next slide? you I think. Permits, those are the permits that we obtained. So if anybody, you know, the BCDC is obviously the one in the Army Corps. Grants we are looking for grants. I went through the notes for the last five years and they did a lot of work on grants. And basically, every person that I talked to that worked on a grant, Came back with the same scenario. Call us later when you're farther along. And that's what we got almost every time. So now we're shovel ready. We're ready to go. We got permits in hand. We're all ready to go. So this is a fundraiser here that's coming up. It's coming up in April, it's due in April, we'll know June, July, if we get it. After we do not get the first grant, we're going to go after private monies. The second grant is for, it's going to be released in September. That's another opportunity, but that money, that grant won't get submitted until later in the year and the monies won't be received until January of next year. And I have number three. Well, we're just, we're. That grant will get submitted until later in the year and the monies won't be received until January of next year. And I have number three, well, we're part of this grant, just part of the team of collecting data and education out there on the water. Fundraising slide, done a lot of different fundraising around Sausalito. Herring Festival, as we all know, started at 14. Then just numerous things throughout the years. My favorite is the Dunphy Park Summer Solstice in June 15 to 16. That they had, I just love the name, Salesist. I just had to say that because it's a great word, Salesist. And having movies out there at Dunphy Park for the kids is great. So we will continue. Here I am continuing. Herring Festival for sure going to continue. Once Dunphy Park gets done, we're going to probably start out the boats and barbecue again. And that will be a free event for the for the community with donated food and you know hopefully a little bit of a fundraiser right |
| 00:43:01.65 | Unknown | Great words. |
| 00:43:30.31 | John Scappozzi | Next slide is budget. Boy, budget. There's our budget. Broke it down into two phases. We're lucky enough to get the fire department to give us a 12-month, a one-year extension. So during the first phase, what it is, it's only sail-powered and man-powered vessels. No gas, no gas, no motorized vehicles for 12 months. and that'll our sailing camps sail trainings row boats you name it that's our first first year of operation and then while we're operating under sail we have 12 months to complete to end the phase two which allow power boats and at that point will be under full operation |
| 00:44:16.97 | Unknown | Okay, what else I need to go? National Fish and |
| 00:44:19.97 | John Scappozzi | My life. Boom, back. So just want to kind of give you an idea of who I've reached out to in the last couple of months. John, the Hobie Cat dealer, he deals in the Hobie Cats on Northern California. He was looking for a satellite location and he wants to talk with us about doing a satellite location at our place. He was running it at a Schoonmacher, but he doesn't have any storage there now. So what's great with that is he'll bring all the demo boats down. He can demo his own boats, and then when they're not being used, we can rent them out for a fee. And that'll be his payment for storage, let's say, something like that. So that's something I'm working on. I did meet with the cruising club yesterday for about two hours, something like that. We tried to figure out some type of partnership. Met with John Donovan, Ben Farrell, and David Hansen. We've come to some kind of conclusion about the docks. The cruising club needs a fire exit, and our docks are right there ready for their fire exit use. And our gangway and our plank tend to split the property line. So we'd like to continue talking with Mary about possibly doing an easement, a reciprocal easement. They can use for our fire. They can use our docks for the fire and then we can just leave the docks where they are, because that's the best place for the docks. So all of the members of the cruising club, or at least the three that I met with, are willing to try to figure out some type of easement and just leave everything where it is. So, also cruise ins and sailing events, they have the clubhouse and we have the docks. So it seems to be a total win-win for for both of us to team up on a lot of these things so what are we asking for today we are asking for a letter for support is what we are for Costco Busan oil spill and that is our grant that we're looking for and also to request affirmation of resolution 5533 And that's the two items that are on the table to do tonight. This is a sample letter for you for the... For the oil spill, that's our trail program. And that is, that's an interesting one. So we're going to go back, and that's about. What I TALKING ABOUT TODAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AT LEAST. I KNOW THERE'S SOME ITEMS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAY WANT TO. |
| 00:47:04.77 | Mayor Burns | Yes, and we'll ask you some questions. So before we open up the public comment, any questions from the diocese? I'll just bring up one in Mary, just so we're clear, resolution 5553, we'll be updating that verbatim with new signatures, correct? |
| 00:47:23.11 | Unknown | I think that's the proposal you have in front of you today. |
| 00:47:25.32 | Mayor Burns | Great yeah, we have the one. And that's the example is in the file. See no others. I will open up public comment. Oh, yeah, yeah, please. Thank you. |
| 00:47:35.84 | Unknown | I do have a question. I have a question, John. We received some pictures tonight from... a citizen who emailed us some pictures of the marina and it reminded me of a question that I had about boats that are tied up to the docks there, the floating docks, the Cascally docks. |
| 00:47:53.61 | City Clerk (or similar role) | THE FLOATING. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:47:55.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:47:55.92 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Thank you. |
| 00:47:57.30 | Unknown | Are they the boats of the non-profit or are they other boats or? And the second question is, and then who's managing the docks? Is it there before the marina's operational? I guess that's the second question. |
| 00:48:05.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:05.79 | John Scappozzi | Yeah. |
| 00:48:06.04 | Vivian | I'm sorry. |
| 00:48:06.13 | John Scappozzi | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 00:48:12.98 | John Scappozzi | This is the second question. John Chewy is our port captain and taking care of all the boats. The boats that are there are ours, they're owned by us. If you notice, they kind of look the same, but they have been going back and forth from San Rafael being worked on and fixed on. So they do kind of swap back and forth a little bit. But I believe there's two boats there now that are ours. And if you want to know more, I'd have to get John up here because that's about all I know. |
| 00:48:17.92 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:48:31.76 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:48:32.10 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:48:34.11 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. THE FAMILY. |
| 00:48:40.01 | Unknown | I know. That's okay. I'm just posing the question I was asked. Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:48:41.53 | John Scappozzi | I'm just not. |
| 00:48:41.89 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:48:41.99 | John Scappozzi | Thank you. |
| 00:48:42.11 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:48:42.12 | John Scappozzi | question that was asked. |
| 00:48:42.83 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Thank you. All right, we have currently three cards for public comment. I'm going to start off with Sandra Bushmaker. Then Chad. Then Michael. |
| 00:48:55.49 | Sandra Bushmaker | Good evening council staff and citizens. My name is Sandra Bushmaker. I was sitting on the dais when we entered the lease in 1999 with Cass Gidling Marina. I was shocked when I read this report that the city has not received any income since for the past decade. And I also have been approached by several entities about interest in having a full bore marine activity And they're ready to go. And I've been out there and seen the floating dock that is not attached to anything. And I have concerns about that, so I ask the council. to please consider that the city has had this property, not producing any income for ten years, and this is a concern of mine. And a concern of the cities, I would think. While I think that the 501 has definite merit in its action, And its mission statement, I am concerned that there hasn't been any action for And in addition, by renewing that option, that means that other organizations are unable to approach the city with a viable project. So that means the 501c3 will have had 10 years of exclusive use of this property. Actually, I've read the lease, so I know it's non-exclusive use because the Park and Rest Department has some interest in this. So, I just would like to bring that point to the council's attention. And lastly, I noticed on the staff report that the recommended motion was to receive and file this report. And yet I understood from Mr. Scarpazi that you're being asked to write a letter of support for grants, and you're also being asked to renew a resolution. So as a matter of procedure, I just wanted to check with the city attorney to see if that's within the scope when the Staff report says we're just to receive and file the report. |
| 00:51:00.97 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:51:01.02 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 00:51:01.12 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. So Mr. Mayor, the staff report in the discussion does ask that we take those two actions. |
| 00:51:06.83 | Unknown | Management. |
| 00:51:08.39 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, I'm not responding as a city attorney. |
| 00:51:10.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:51:12.97 | Jill Hoffman | And she talks to us, she doesn't give orders to the city attorney. |
| 00:51:19.31 | Mayor Burns | I've just seen now that, what is the resolution? I have 5533 and 5553. Are we 555? |
| 00:51:27.97 | Unknown | you you |
| 00:51:29.96 | Mayor Burns | It is the resident. Okay, so we have just this report. All right, next up, Chad Carvey and then Michael Rex. |
| 00:51:36.91 | Chad Carvey | . Thank you. |
| 00:51:39.48 | Mayor Burns | 7D, you got it. Michael. |
| 00:51:49.32 | Michael Rex | Michael Rex, local architect, and I'd like to speak in support of your continued support of Cass Marina. If you've planned any waterfront project lately, you'll know how long it takes. And we did hit some log jams along the way. Our Kersklaassen was nearing retirement, and that slowed us up. And then all of a sudden, Dumphy Park decided to raise their topography by two feet. So we had to go back and completely redesign the abutment for the gangway And we also had turnover in the Department of Public Works. And we'd work out a plan for shore access and pathways and whatnot. And then that, we'd have, new people on staff and they'd want to see changes. So we kept up with it all and we've accomplished the mission of delivering a building permit. That was back in July. And since then, Cass had to rebuild his board. And you can see their board here. I know all those people. And I can tell you one thing, if you know John Ccopazzi, you know him to be a can do guy. So we need you to renew your commitment to Cast Marina because we're ready to go. We could actually break ground very soon. But in the middle of winter, it's a nesting period. Well, we're coming into spring now, but we're still within this nesting period. |
| 00:53:19.01 | Unknown | Oh, my God. |
| 00:53:21.98 | Michael Rex | We have part of our environmental requirements is that we have to have an environmentalist demonstrate there's no nests around. We haven't seen any nests, but we need to have that done so we can start right away. Otherwise, it'll be another three months before we break ground. So we have an environmentalist who is going to help us with that report. With that in place, one more report, one more hurdle to go through, we could break ground. So we haven't had 10 years. The lease was signed about five years ago. Yes, it took a long time to get through all the agencies and environmental standards, but we've done it. So please continue your support of this great project. Thank you. |
| 00:54:10.88 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Any other public comment? |
| 00:54:14.51 | Jill Hoffman | May I ask a question? |
| 00:54:15.49 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:54:15.51 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:54:15.52 | Mayor Burns | Yeah. |
| 00:54:16.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:16.21 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:54:16.55 | Jill Hoffman | Michael? |
| 00:54:16.60 | Mayor Burns | Oh, my God. Thank you. |
| 00:54:17.19 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. No, of the city attorney regarding the lease. So it was my understanding that the option to renew the lease has already been exercised, is that correct? |
| 00:54:27.25 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:54:27.69 | Jill Hoffman | And so the city is already obligated in its lease arrangement with Cass Gidley for the next five years. Thank you. |
| 00:54:36.41 | Mayor Burns | Jeff Jacob on Cass Gidley. |
| 00:54:42.83 | Jeffrey Chase | Hello. This is a good time. to introduce the concept of public access. |
| 00:54:53.17 | Jeffrey Chase | That Cas Gidley marina began When Joe Tate and Cass Gidley. While the Sausalito City Council I WAS ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE They went to the waterfront. And they built it themselves. That's how things worked. BEFORE government agencies. PAPERWORK. Money. deals. inertia. What's been spoken about as a view corridor for the people that live at Galilee, |
| 00:55:36.67 | Jeffrey Chase | that we teach sailing as much as we can. I haven't been sailing lately myself, and it kind of hurts. We can do it inexpensively out there when we do it. Cass Gidley Marina used to do it. They did it with the Herring Festival. Until this year. There used to be herring boats. On Richardson Bay. I remember them. And I wasn't here in the 20th century. THE LAST BOOT. that showed up. got a seal tangled in the net. Right off. of Uh, downtown. Everybody was watching. Somebody called the Humane Society. I don't think those people returned. The fishing boat captains would say that they would bring their boats from Oregon or Washington Because... They wanted to get away from their wives for a little while. |
| 00:56:50.01 | Jeffrey Chase | Now that there are so many less hearing, In the bay though, there are still herring in the bay. There is so much. that we have to rectify and correct, that sometimes I'm up here and I listen to myself, And I'm thinking, why not be happier? Don't be a scold. Don't point fingers. These are beautiful people. Lincoln said if I disagree with somebody, I want to get to know that person better. I'm gonna come closer. My dad was a city councilman. So in... That way I'm coming closer to him by doing this. I don't know if I'm coming closer to any of you with what I say. I hope so. |
| 00:57:44.01 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Any other public comment? |
| 00:57:48.55 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, you have something are you responding to something good your your applicant Dean? you |
| 00:57:54.00 | John Scappozzi | Yeah. I guess I kind of live here too. I did forget one thing about the cruising club. In our meeting, they did give us a cash donation of $12,000 for the start of the abutment. And they also will volunteer a lot of the labor. So we pretty much have the abutment paid for at this point. |
| 00:57:54.02 | Mayor Burns | Yeah. I did forget one thing about the cruising |
| 00:58:17.91 | John Scappozzi | So, and Michael Rex and I did talk about the bird surveys and stuff in his office the other day. And I apologize for not updating Michael on that. We do fit under the Dunphy Park umbrella, because we are within Dunphy Park containment zone. So we fall under their starting dates and stuff. So, and that's it. So we're going to start probably in the next 30 days or so and get this abutment in as soon as we can. Great. Thank you. I can't believe I missed that, but I guess |
| 00:58:45.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:58:45.98 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:58:46.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:58:46.15 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 00:58:46.20 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:58:47.53 | Mayor Burns | I'm not going to be a I know I can't even- I better come back up and tell you that. And I see David Hanson here. David, please thank your cruising club for that. That's very nice. Seeing no other public comment, I'll bring it up here for, Deliberation discussion resolution |
| 00:59:05.96 | Mayor Burns | Any discussion? Jill? |
| 00:59:07.46 | Unknown | I think so. So, I mean, I understand the lease has been signed, so we're not acting on that. Is there a request that we submit a letter? I mean, that- Yeah, it's up there on the screen. Do we need to discuss that? |
| 00:59:20.40 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:59:20.42 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, it's up there on the screen. to discuss that? There's a letter here and then there's also a resolution that we're Just renewing and it is support of the lease. And it's in the file there. |
| 00:59:31.52 | Unknown | Why do we have to do a resolution of the releases already? |
| 00:59:33.80 | Mayor Burns | We don't, but they want, in the grant application process, they want the current council to be listed. Behind. They want a resolution because of that? A resolution with the current council. Okay, I think I understand that. That's why it doesn't change the wording. |
| 00:59:40.42 | Unknown | behind the resolution resolution with the current council okay i think that's why it doesn't change the word okay and do we need to discuss the letter i mean i think we all support the yeah yeah okay |
| 00:59:51.76 | Mayor Burns | will change something. |
| 00:59:54.00 | Jill Hoffman | Well, I, so. Unless there's further discussion, I'll make a motion. I move. Okay. Oh, now I lost it. |
| 01:00:16.33 | Jill Hoffman | WELL. OK. |
| 01:00:17.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:17.80 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:00:18.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:00:18.71 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, so I move we adopt resolution 5533 and that we write a letter in support of the grant application to the Costco Busan oil spill settlement organization. Um, in largely the form in our packet with the mayor having final discretion to make any necessary edits. |
| 01:00:45.77 | Unknown | Second. |
| 01:00:47.95 | Mayor Burns | Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. That motion passes five to zero. |
| 01:00:50.48 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 01:00:50.55 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 01:00:50.90 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:00:57.80 | Mayor Burns | Thank you guys. Thank you everybody. Whoa, whoa, whoa, we still got some good stuff on here. Where you going? |
| 01:01:02.33 | Jill Hoffman | What? |
| 01:01:02.70 | Mayor Burns | What? We have sewer rates coming up. |
| 01:01:04.01 | Jill Hoffman | We have shoes. We have this amazing pilot program coming up. |
| 01:01:10.12 | Mayor Burns | All right. |
| 01:01:14.07 | Mayor Burns | Mm. |
| 01:01:14.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:16.01 | Mayor Burns | Next up, we have 7B, our sewer rate fee study. And we have our Vivian Husen, who we say our because we basically consider her Sausalito's. |
| 01:01:21.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:21.30 | Jill Hoffman | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:01:21.35 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:01:21.50 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:01:24.62 | Jill Hoffman | How? |
| 01:01:28.65 | Mayor Burns | consultant. |
| 01:01:30.31 | Jill Hoffman | Although she, believe it or not, works for some of my other clients. |
| 01:01:33.77 | Mayor Burns | I'll bet. She couldn't make her tire living off us. Vivian, are you up or who's, is someone starting? Yeah, you're up. And do you have something all set up right? Welcome. |
| 01:01:48.82 | Vivian | Thank you, Mayor Burns, a member of the council. I just would like to, I know we're running short on time, so I'm gonna make this very quick. But when I first started my company some years ago, I tried to get someone to make me a logo of a sewer girl. and I could not find a person to do it right. So still don't have a logo, so if you know anyone who's very creative and artistic, let me know. |
| 01:02:12.04 | Jill Hoffman | We should hook her up with Kim Hough. |
| 01:02:13.89 | Vivian | Thank you. Sometimes it's good not to have a logo. I got mostly plumbers with plungers and that sort of thing. That's what I ended up with. |
| 01:02:23.01 | Unknown | sort of thing. |
| 01:02:25.32 | Vivian | So this presentation is to provide background on the sanitary sewer fee rate study and the rate setting process. There's quite a bit of information here, so I'm going to go through all the slides and then welcome questions at the end. |
| 01:02:42.06 | Vivian | To provide some background on the city's sewers, the city has approximately 20 miles of sewer pipelines. The city's pipelines are shown in green in this map. Most of the pipes are over 80 years old. Most were installed in the 1930s. There are also four city pump stations and those are shown in green. There are also blue blobs on that map. Those are Sausalud and Marin City pump stations. So the city and Sausalud and Marin City share facilities in the same space. The flows are sent to Sausaludermen City and the blue line that runs through the city north to south is the SMCSD interceptor. Sausaludermen City Sanitary District conveys or transports the wastewater south to its wastewater treatment plant where they provide treatment and discharge of the flow. |
| 01:03:38.83 | Vivian | Working together, Sausalito Marin City and the city must address sewer infrastructure needs to protect the environment and the health and the safety of the residents. And we need to be forward thinking in this as climate change and weather patterns continue to become more unpredictable and factor into our decision making. And just to clarify, the city is responsible for collecting and containing the raw sewage within Sausalito. And Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District is responsible for safely and properly transporting and treating the raw sewage. And Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District also performs both functions, collecting, containing, conveying, and treating. sewage for other customers such as Marin City and other unincorporated areas within the Sausalud and Marin City sanitary district boundaries |
| 01:04:35.76 | Vivian | Raw sewage spills present health risks to the community, we all know that. And properly maintain pipes and infrastructure safely allow the city to transport the sewage, which is very essential to maintaining a health and safe community. The city's 80-year-old sewer system is aging. There's no doubt about that. And many of the 20 miles of sewer pipe were built in the 30s. They are made of clay, Clay is a very strong material until it breaks, and if the clay pipes break, then there is the potential for spills of raw sewage or infiltration of water during storm events that would create issues in the bay. So through ongoing maintenance and improvement, the city and the district remain in compliance with a 2008 Environmental Protection Agency order, and in doing so have reduced SSOs, sanitary sewer overflows and potential penalties associated with those. And working together the agencies have continued to improve compliance with these requirements. |
| 01:05:45.32 | Vivian | To provide a brief background on the sewer rates, the city last adopted, completed a rate study and adopted rates in 2014. Those rates were for a five-year period, continuing through this fiscal year, 2019. In 2014, the rates were established differently for residential classes based on average winter water use. And they are collected through the tax roll for sewage collection only. South Salud and Marin City collects sets and collects its own rates. |
| 01:06:24.34 | Vivian | The city is currently undertaking a 2019 sewer rate study, which does involve three steps, and these steps meet best management practices for public works rate setting, The first is to develop a financial plan, which is currently under development, and that establishes revenue requirements. The second is to do a cost of service analysis to make sure that the revenue requirements are allocated to customer classes fairly and in compliance with industry standards. And the third is to do a rate design analysis, and that considers the rate structure that's needed to best serve the city for the next period. |
| 01:07:13.16 | Vivian | Cost of service includes three components. It includes operating costs, which are administrative costs, engineering operations, and pumping costs. There's also debt service. The city issued sewer revenue bonds in 2015, and the city is paying debt service on those bonds. And then the third component are the capital needs. There is a known project, fairly large project, that's coming up to replace the Whiskey Springs pump station. There's also ongoing pipeline replacements. And annually, there always seem to be unplanned repairs that are budgeted for. |
| 01:07:52.90 | Vivian | And so the financial plan, especially from the capital perspective, is designed to support cost effective long term sewer management. And this is a hypothetical graph. It's not a true graph with actual numbers from the city's pipes, but it does represent the pattern of infrastructure development in most of the communities in the San Francisco Bay area so basically shows that in around the 1900s the people started moving from San Francisco and settling and having vacation homes and building sewers and then through the 30s and 40s and especially after the war then more and more people developed more and more sewers were built and the number of pipes and other infrastructure that were put in the ground really Increased and then since that time there's been more moderated growth moderated development replacement of old facilities And the overall average rate of construction has generally declined from the 30s and 40s and 50s and And what that means is if you have infrastructure that has 70 or 80 or 90 year lifespan then you should expect these pipes to be replaced along that timeline, and that puts us about here. So this is projecting that same pattern forward about 80 years, and 2008 is when the EPA order was established, and there has been some acceleration of replacement since then but not to the rate that would actually mirror the rate that the pipes were put in the ground and so and this is again it's not this is not based on actual data this is a it's to represent what really occurred through that time but in Sausalito and in I would say all communities in the Bay Area. The blue is not tracking the green currently. And if you project forward, if, if cities within the Bay Area continue at the current rate of replacement, then. as you'll see, there will be another big spike coming up in the next 20, 30 years, maybe even the next 10 years, and that's the effect that asset management Enthusiasts call the Nessie curve and the reason why they call it the Nessie curve is because it represents Loch Ness monster coming out of the lake there and the hump that you normally see when people get pictures of that elusive monster so I that's what we're seeing here. What we wanna do is we want to, Now that we know and realize that that Nessie curve is coming, try to address it. And that's what a cost-effective, long-term asset management program and rate structure does and what What we are striving to do with the rate structure and the financial plan is to have a sustainable funding plan. So we want to set. the level of funding and repair to a level where we are replacing enough infrastructure now that as we get down 10, 20, 30 years into the future, we've addressed some of that Nessie chunk. And also, forward-looking, we've managed the lifespan of what's left to try to push it out into those out years when the Nessie hump starts decreasing again. |
| 01:11:25.23 | Mayor Burns | What is that expectation on new product, let's say, in the lower part of the original 90s up? How much lifespan length do we get out of that newer product? |
| 01:11:35.55 | Vivian | I think it's about the same. So clay or if it's plastic, I mean, the projected lifespan is 70 to 100 years, typically. It depends on, there's so many factors. It depends on maintenance and it depends on the ground and it depends on construction methods. There's so many factors, but 70 to 100 years is the typical number. |
| 01:11:58.53 | Unknown | Can I ask a question too? So I think it said in the staff report that the proposal was for about 3% replacement annually, is that correct? Yes. And is that consistent with this flattened? |
| 01:12:07.25 | Vivian | Yes. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:12:11.79 | Unknown | sustainable funding plans. |
| 01:12:11.89 | Vivian | to see. It is. So with a 100-year cycle, if you had a system that had been installed and then replaced very consistently and maintained and didn't have any other issues, within a 100-year cycle, you should expect to replace 1% per year, and that continues your 100-year life cycle. So what we're finding is that if you replace 2 to 3% Now, The communities that have been doing that for about five years, they're catching up on the backlog of repairs, and then they can – |
| 01:12:45.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:45.12 | Unknown | Hair. |
| 01:12:45.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:46.86 | Vivian | They do that for a while, and then after a certain point in time, maybe 10 years out, then you can go back to the 1%. |
| 01:12:53.39 | Unknown | Okay, so 3% would be moderately aggressive without having too high rates. Is that kind of your sweet spot? |
| 01:13:02.11 | Vivian | I think 2% to 3% is the target. |
| 01:13:04.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:04.63 | Vivian | Okay. In this, yeah, depending on the age of infrastructure and the condition. |
| 01:13:08.75 | Unknown | And doing more than that would not be fiscally prudent or not necessary? Or what's the... |
| 01:13:16.20 | Vivian | Well, it really depends on the condition of your system. So some agencies do do quite a bit more than that, but for a short time. And then they go back down, try to go back down to. to 2% or 1.5% over the long term. I have seen it. There are agencies that that replace more than 3%. It really depends on the condition of your system and the amount of funding and how you want to obtain that funding because there are different ways to get money, and money costs money. So it's all part of the bigger picture. But in this case, just knowing what we know about your system, I think 3% is a good target. And then, you know, as we move forward, of course, over time, you have to always update your revenue plan and your asset management plan and your rate so there's always there's always room for adjustment in the future but I think that's a good sustainable target for this system |
| 01:14:15.99 | Unknown | Okay, and so that, sorry, I don't want to ask too many questions, but this is the 3% is your recommendation with staff? |
| 01:14:23.40 | Vivian | That's correct. |
| 01:14:24.26 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:14:24.60 | Vivian | Yeah, I got together with staff and we looked at the current issues that we know and we looked at the surprises that have been coming up. And 3% Um, seems to be a good number that would address the issues without overtaxing staff, actually, and staff's ability to implement projects. |
| 01:14:43.60 | Unknown | Okay. All right. Thank you. |
| 01:14:51.21 | Vivian | So the rate setting timeline moving forward is established by Proposition 218. The expectation is to complete a financial plan this month. to bring the plan and the associated proposed rates to the council for discussion. and possible action on April 30th. The council would need to act to begin a mandatory 45-day comment period. If that occurs, then there will be a notice mailed on May 1st, and that will establish the beginning of the comment period, which will continue through June 15th of this year. And after the public comment period, a public hearing would be held here at a regularly scheduled council meeting. And at that time, If the rates are approved, then the council would take action to adopt the new rates. |
| 01:15:56.70 | Vivian | So in terms of public noticing, the noticing would begin with the public discussion that occurs at council on April 30th. There will be a notice mailed to all of the city's customers and property owners. I would like to say that a parallel process will be also implemented by Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District. |
| 01:16:15.86 | Unknown | MULTIPLE. |
| 01:16:19.35 | Vivian | There is a requirement to place a notice in the local newspaper for two consecutive weeks prior to the public hearing, and that will be managed by staff. There's also a requirement to post a resolution with the proposed rates at the locations where you normally post your city council meetings. and the financial consultant NBS has established a telephone hotline, 800-676-7516, where they will field questions that arise through this process. has established a telephone hotline, 800-676-7516, where they will field questions that arise through this process. |
| 01:16:56.10 | Vivian | And then in summary, the city and through its rate setting process is striving to continue to ensure equity for the rate payers. There have been in the past rebates for low-income residents, and there's been discussion to retain these rebates for the next cycle. The investment in the sewer system infrastructure helps to reduce not only the sanitary sewer overflows, but also stormwater that enters the sewer system during wet weather events, and this is extremely important for us to address as the weather patterns change, especially in the microclimate that we see here in in during wet weather events, and this is extremely important for us to address as the weather patterns change, especially in the microclimate that we see here in Sausalito. Thank you. |
| 01:17:07.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:17:10.61 | Unknown | discussion. |
| 01:17:16.45 | Unknown | AND I'M GOING TO BE |
| 01:17:38.27 | Vivian | And this need seems to be coming more and more urgent with the weather patterns changing. So the investment infrastructure will help to reduce future SSOs. Also, without continuing to update the current rates, the city doesn't have the funds needed to continue these essential upgrades. And so making these upgrades would end up coming at the expense of other essential city services. |
| 01:18:08.16 | Vivian | And that concludes my presentation. |
| 01:18:11.23 | Mayor Burns | Do you have that question? Any other questions for Vivian? |
| 01:18:15.79 | Unknown | Yeah, can you explain the cooperation with the Sausalito Marine City Sanitary District in terms of, they are also going to be doing a rate study and increasing rates. So will the public facing documents be joint documents? Yes. So people won't be getting multiple mailings that look different. That's correct. They'll just be one set of communication, is that correct? |
| 01:18:41.28 | Vivian | That's correct. Yes, one set of communication and we're working in tandem, in parallel and together to make sure that we are coordinated in that and that there is one message that goes out, the rate setting process occurs at the same time and there's not confusion between the two rates. |
| 01:18:59.86 | Unknown | Great, okay, thank you. But I have a follow up on that. Yeah, yeah. So with regard to the Sausalito-Marin City Sanitary District and sorry, I know there's two systems in the city of Sausalito. |
| 01:19:02.72 | Vivian | Yeah. |
| 01:19:03.04 | Unknown | Thank you. you |
| 01:19:18.02 | Unknown | The Sausalito Emergency Sanitary District though encompasses areas outside of Sausalito, is that right? That's correct. And so how are you addressing that during this time of rate increases? So the rate increases will actually affect |
| 01:19:24.03 | Vivian | Thank you. |
| 01:19:32.05 | Unknown | for the sanitary district will affect the areas also outside of Sausalito. |
| 01:19:36.28 | Vivian | That's correct. So they will need to notice those areas, but those areas will be noticed separately. So the ratepayers within the city of Sausalito that have both the city of Sausalito rates and the Sausalito Marin City district rates will receive a consistent message. And actually that message will be spread beyond also, but it'll be slightly different. It'll be tailored for the communities that are being served by the sanitary district outside of the city. |
| 01:19:40.53 | Unknown | So, |
| 01:20:05.27 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, if I can just, because I don't know if Vivian saw that Jeffrey Kingston, the general manager of the South Southern Wynn City Sanitary District, is here in the audience. So if you have specific questions for them, Jeffrey can. |
| 01:20:06.23 | Vivian | just. Yeah. |
| 01:20:18.84 | Adam Politzer | I'll answer that as well, but Vivian did respond accurately. |
| 01:20:22.65 | Unknown | But so when we have Here in my staff report, it says at a public hearing, the city council will consider all protest against the proposed change, or proposed charge, or increase in charge. So that's just talking about. That's just talking about the Sausalito system, not the Marin City or Sanitary District. Correct. Yeah. |
| 01:20:43.27 | Vivian | Right. |
| 01:20:45.79 | Unknown | Okay. And how then does that rate increase come into effect then? It's not the meeting of the Saucyus City Council at a public hearing, it's some other method? |
| 01:21:01.50 | Vivian | They'll have their own public hearing. They have their own noticing period, which will be parallel to ours. And then they have their own hearing and their own approval of that rate. |
| 01:21:04.76 | Unknown | Okay. AND I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT |
| 01:21:10.78 | Adam Politzer | Okay. Okay. Mr. Mayor, if I may just expand on that. I think as Vivian shared it's a parallel process so our hearing would start on April 30th. I believe theirs is May 1st Then the 45 day clock would run we would hold the hearing and so would they so it'd be a dual process again as councilmember Cleveland knows was asking to help make sure that we're sharing the communications and information to help explain that there's a |
| 01:21:24.72 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:21:38.89 | Adam Politzer | collection and then treatment and that the rates are paying for those two different services |
| 01:21:45.26 | Unknown | And they're separate. So people are really going to be looking at rate hikes from two separate systems. So there's going to be two rate increases proposed. |
| 01:21:54.40 | Jill Hoffman | you Two separate processes within one system. |
| 01:21:55.72 | Unknown | with you. |
| 01:21:56.09 | Unknown | in the |
| 01:21:57.37 | Jill Hoffman | So we collect and they treat, but it's the same |
| 01:21:57.44 | Unknown | Well. |
| 01:22:02.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:02.15 | Jill Hoffman | So they'll just get one increase in their bill. |
| 01:22:03.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:03.78 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:22:03.85 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:22:03.87 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:22:03.89 | Mayor Burns | . |
| 01:22:04.22 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. It'll show up on their property tax as two different line items on the property tax. |
| 01:22:05.24 | Unknown | It'll show up on their property items on the property. |
| 01:22:08.78 | Mayor Burns | property tax. |
| 01:22:09.37 | Unknown | Okay, yeah. Okay, thank you. Sorry. |
| 01:22:13.98 | Mayor Burns | Any other questions? Seeing none, I'm going to open up for public comment on this item and Vivian's presentation. Questions and comments regarding this item. |
| 01:22:31.39 | Mayor Burns | Let's see. |
| 01:22:32.03 | Jeffrey Chase | what we have here. Jeff Jacobs. |
| 01:22:34.55 | Mayor Burns | Jeff Jacobs. |
| 01:22:35.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:36.77 | Jeffrey Chase | Well, what do you know? |
| 01:22:40.98 | Jeffrey Chase | The Torah is so beautiful. Good time to speak about it. As Passover approaches, and Easter. The only holidays that are synchronized Together with Christians and Jews, the Easter goes by the moon cycle. It's the only Christian holiday that does. |
| 01:22:58.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:22:58.63 | Unknown | Christmas. |
| 01:22:58.97 | Unknown | And holiday. |
| 01:23:01.65 | Jeffrey Chase | When we are in The wilderness, we carry a shovel with us to bury our waste. I'm not going to tell you which book that's from or the verse or the chapter. As anchor outs, As people who live on their boats, which everybody had to do, that had a boat when the boats were made out of wood, You did not leave a boat. with no crew. With the advent of fiberglass, all of a sudden, You can do that. So the traditional mariners, would dump their waste off of the poop deck. Then we were educated. educated by THE CITY. Against that? Within a three-mile limit, It's not to be done. We were educated by A kayakers or Canoe was paddling by. Not wanting to see. something that's brown and not a fish. In the IJ on Saturday, Our protest about the docks, which will be coming up, Was on the front page. That was the second Sausalito front page. In a month, the first one, was about the school districts. and the racism here in Sausalito. |
| 01:24:34.90 | Jeffrey Chase | Well, there's something worse than that. It's called libel. In this article, The assistant harbor master, Bill Hughes, |
| 01:24:46.95 | Jeffrey Chase | SMEARED US WITH FEECES. using words. He said that we had clogged up a bathroom with sand, and excrement. at Schoonmacher's. The bathrooms are closed day and night, very often during the week. They are not open to the public. All of us rich and poor, black and white, anchor out, and hill people and waterfront people all have those same needs. I bring mine in. using. The Marin Scope or the New York Times in a plastic bag. ALSO USE A PORTA POTTY. as well. |
| 01:25:30.60 | Jeffrey Chase | What happened in the Marin IJ was liable. We are going to deal with all of this. Don't lie about us, tell the truth. |
| 01:25:39.84 | Mayor Burns | Any other public comment on Any other public comment on the sewer rate survey? Seeing none with closed public comment and bring it up here for discussion. Any discussion, further analysis? We're in a process here. So. Ready to kick it off? |
| 01:25:57.82 | Jill Hoffman | I found the staff report to be And the presentation would be crystal clear. Clear in its message, clear in the logistics and the details. And I think transparent in the manner that our public needs in order to understand this process. |
| 01:26:17.72 | Unknown | Yeah, I agree and I think it's great that we're kicking this off and we've got a good plan and a reasonable but fairly aggressive approach. And I just, I also really appreciate the cooperation. with the Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District and having one form of communication to all. people at least in Sausalito because I just think otherwise it would be too confusing and it would feel more like piling on. And so I really appreciate that and appreciate the staff report as well. Thank you. Right. |
| 01:26:52.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:54.57 | Michael Rex | Yeah, there's not really much to add to say here. I think an important discussion will be on April 30th when we kick off the actual 45 day period. This is, I agree, I was very pleased. As usual, Vivian does an excellent job for us. I was here in 2014 on the council when we did the last rate study. We made some actually some fairly significant changes during that study for many of the rate payers. We went to a volumetric measurement of pricing, which was based on your winter water usage. The winter water usage being that which excluded summertime irrigation, so it gave a rough amount of the average water used by a water source. A household a ratepayer and so it was reflective of the use of water of which primarily, you know The sewer part is therefore reflective. So that was a very important change that we did back in 2014 Be interesting to see how we Approach this one. We're going to hear more when we hear the finance issues, but the bottom line is that I We are going to be needing to find sources of funding through this type of process periodically. |
| 01:28:30.59 | Unknown | this. |
| 01:28:34.02 | Michael Rex | For 100 years, that's not quite true, but for a long, long, long time. It's a continual process of upgrading and That's just what all of our communities have to do. |
| 01:28:51.37 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 01:28:52.31 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:28:52.48 | Jill Hoffman | Can I make one more comment? I just want to thank Jeff Kingston and the Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District for |
| 01:28:59.18 | Unknown | . |
| 01:29:00.40 | Jill Hoffman | A. collaborating with us behind the scenes to coordinate our rate setting efforts. And two, for being here tonight and obviously being invested in this process, so thank you very much. |
| 01:29:14.27 | Michael Rex | Yeah, I should have added. I mean, the really important thing that the sewer committee has been doing is to making sure that communication is happening. And I think you can see from the result of the coordination that it's working. |
| 01:29:27.21 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:29:27.23 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:29:28.17 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, thank you for that and for the comments that both things are happening simultaneously and it's a great opportunity for us to educate the public. This question comes up a lot in April and November when tax bills come out and what's happening, what's going on here, what does this mean? But there's so much happening underground that we need to remind our residents and the ratepayers the importance of this type of survey. So we don't know the numbers on the study yet, and we can make guesses, but the public has to, through this process, realize what's going on here and having two agencies working on that. Very good. So thank you both for being here and for that presentation, Vivian. |
| 01:30:01.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:15.29 | Mayor Burns | Our action item is. Receive. |
| 01:30:16.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:17.02 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:30:17.73 | Mayor Burns | to receive and file. |
| 01:30:19.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:22.91 | Mayor Burns | Accept. So we will do that. Thank you very much. Next up we have 7C. We are authorizing the city manager to apply for SB2, Atkins Building Jobs and Homes Act planning grants. program funds and authorizing planning vision to collaborate. We have our director of community development, Lily Whalen, and our two representatives from the county planning department, Jillian Zeiger and Lily H. Thomas, I did get to talk a little bit about CDBG before you got here. I forgot the money, the total dollar. What was the total? Was it 1.5? Just why we're... |
| 01:31:03.01 | Unknown | Yeah, it was like a 1% |
| 01:31:04.76 | Mayor Burns | Okay, yeah. So we'd give a little shout out to CDBG earlier. |
| 01:31:11.45 | Lily | Thank you, Mr. Mayor, council members. Mr. Mayor, you stole the first part of my presentation here, so I'll just move on to slide number two. Perfect. So I'm here to talk about the SB2 planning grants. The SB2 is the Building Jobs and Homes Act and it provides a rare opportunity for cities to apply for noncompetitive grants for planning work to help facilitate the development of affordable housing. |
| 01:31:18.26 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:31:18.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:31:20.34 | Unknown | to talk about. |
| 01:31:36.37 | Lily | And Sausalito is eligible for up to $160,000 in grant funding this year. And there's no requirement for the city to match any of the awarded grant funds. So recently a group of city, county, and town planners have been meeting to look at ways to collaborate on affordable housing issues in Marin County. And as many of the projects that the Marin Working Group Jurisdictions are looking at tackling are similar. The group is proposing to collaborate on grant funding for the SB2 planning grants. So the county has proposed three different projects that Sausalito could collaborate on with other jurisdictions and the county to apply for this grant funding. The first is developing a set of objective design standards, and this is also an objective of the Sausalito Blue Ribbon Committee on Housing that recently gave their presentation. The initial cost for Sausalito to join this effort could be about $80,000 in grant funding, depending on the number of participating jurisdictions. This is substantially less money than if Sausalito went in alone on this project on her own. So the next project is collaboration on a central ADU website. The estimated cost for this for Sausalito is less than $10,000. And it would serve Sausalito residents by providing access to floor plans, process videos, regulation summaries, and a calculator with cost estimates. And the third project is an inclusionary housing fee and nexus study. As the council is aware, council recently adopted a first phase inclusionary housing ordinance in January of this year. The second phase of that project is to establish an in lieu fee for residential development projects with which meet or exceed construction thresholds in order to contribute proportionally to affordable housing in the community. If Sausalito participated with the county group on this project, it could cost between $16,000 and $10,000 per jurisdiction, which also is substantially less money than going it alone for Sausalito. And this particular project is also an objective of the Blue Ribbon Committee on Housing. If there are, so staff has estimated the amount of money that could be used if council decides to collaborate on all three projects. And we've estimated that there could be remaining grant funds. So if there are remaining grant funds, Staff has identified Housing Element Program 5, which is a program that has not yet been completed. This program requires the city to evaluate strengthening its current regulations to extend the low and moderate income inclusionary requirement for our condo conversions and our zoning ordinance, which currently consists of applying inclusionary housing requirements for a threshold of five or more units. The program contemplates looking at applying that threshold to projects with three or four units. providing smaller projects an option to pay an in lieu housing fee as supported by a Nexus study. And this is a task that we would look to a consultant to help us with developing and could benefit from grant funding. And I did have a preliminary conversation with a consultant about the range of costs to complete this program in the housing element. And they said it could range from $25,000 to $50,000. |
| 01:34:47.35 | Unknown | in this case. |
| 01:35:08.64 | Lily | So with that, staff is recommending the council adopt the draft resolution, which authorizes the city manager to apply for SB2 grants and also authorizes the planning division to collaborate with the county of Marin and other local Marin jurisdictions on those grants. As the state is requiring that the planning grant application be submitted one time and only one application per jurisdiction, Staff is requesting to counsel, if possible, provide clear direction on the program's that you'd like to see us collaborate with the county on for the grant and any other programs. And then, again, as the mayor said, Lili and Jillian are here tonight if you have any questions about the SB2 process, application, or the programs that the county is proposing. And that concludes my presentation. |
| 01:35:58.12 | Mayor Burns | Great. Thank you, Lily. Very quick. And you're just for questions then. Okay. Any questions on the team? |
| 01:36:01.48 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 01:36:05.12 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:36:05.14 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:36:05.15 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:36:05.17 | Mayor Burns | Joan. |
| 01:36:05.19 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Um, Lily, thank you for the shout out to the Blue Ribbon Committee and some of its recommendations and how this grant funding could help to fulfill. some of those recommendations. My question was, you mentioned that if there was money left over, we could use it. to work on housing element program five, but are we able, you have provided us with some cost estimates of what it might cost to do some of these programs, one of which is to update to make our design guidelines more objective. Are we able to spend more than what you've allocated here in this chart if we get the grant funding? because one of the concerns |
| 01:36:46.35 | Lily | One of the concerns- If there are remaining funds left |
| 01:36:48.03 | Unknown | Is that the question? Yeah, if there are funds left over, |
| 01:36:48.66 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 01:36:48.69 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, if there are funds left over, can we use it on one of these other programs? Yes. To move it farther along? Yes. |
| 01:36:49.89 | Lily | THE END OF |
| 01:36:52.40 | Unknown | Yes. Yes, we would have to include that in the grant application. |
| 01:36:58.09 | Jill Hoffman | But you already have, so for example, we have recommended significant revisions to our design review guidelines. IF we need more money than what you've allocated here, but we have money left over we could use more than what you've outlined here. Is that right? |
| 01:37:16.33 | Lily | Yeah, as long as there's a nexus between the affordable housing and production of affordable housing. |
| 01:37:21.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:37:21.26 | Jill Hoffman | Right. |
| 01:37:21.58 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Okay. |
| 01:37:22.71 | Mayor Burns | The one program to the other. Yeah. |
| 01:37:24.23 | Lily | Thank you. |
| 01:37:24.25 | Unknown | Yeah, yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:37:25.84 | Jill Hoffman | . |
| 01:37:25.90 | Unknown | Thank you. I really think this collaborative approach is great and sounds like it's the most efficient. I guess the one question I had is we had already approved moving forward with an inclusionary housing nexus study. And would this kind of collaborative approach add any time or kind of slow that process down? |
| 01:37:53.24 | Unknown | So the council hasn't appropriated any funds for that right now, so we've been working on an RFP |
| 01:37:57.53 | Unknown | Right now. |
| 01:37:57.86 | Lily | Thank you. that. |
| 01:38:00.26 | Unknown | that. |
| 01:38:00.97 | Lily | we haven't issued that RFP. I think that this is good timing for this collaboration, and in fact, it could move the process a little bit quicker than it would have. |
| 01:38:11.14 | Unknown | Great, and then I guess, I don't know if this is a question for you or for the county, but one of the recommendations that we had about making design review standards more objective is a study on making clear standards around view impacts. I know that's not something maybe every community has. I mean, it's a really important issue here. I know Belvedere and Tiburon. Is that something that the county would be amenable to including? |
| 01:38:42.23 | Unknown | I'll ask Lili or Shalia to talk about the meeting. |
| 01:38:43.68 | Unknown | And shadow, I guess shadow impacts as well. |
| 01:38:46.80 | Unknown | Yeah, talk about if there's the ability to add in some more Sausalito-specific design. |
| 01:38:52.98 | Jill Hoffman | But doesn't it have to have a nexus to the creation of affordable housing? |
| 01:38:58.11 | Unknown | The look at the objective design |
| 01:39:00.98 | Lily | standards does. So that would, in looking at our design standards, then use as one of those design standards that we would have to look at. |
| 01:39:06.97 | Sandra Bushmaker | Yeah. Okay. |
| 01:39:09.18 | Lili | Thank you. |
| 01:39:14.71 | Lili | Right. So just how we've structured the design standards is we'd have a general toolkit for all of the jurisdictions. And there are other jurisdictions including Tiburon and San Insalmo who've expressed interest in those standards as well. So that's something that we would definitely include. Thank you. it's going to be a challenge for the consultant to make those objective, but that's something I think they're willing to work on. Another aspect of the objective design standards is that there's going to be a chapter for each jurisdiction for architectural styles, finishes, et cetera, so that each jurisdiction will have |
| 01:39:48.77 | Unknown | it. |
| 01:39:51.52 | Lili | their architectural styles and materials that they want reflected in an objective standard to be in their objective design guidelines. |
| 01:39:59.84 | Unknown | Great, thanks. So in our work on the Blue Ribbon Housing Task Force, we did learn, I think it was Belvedere, has a pretty objective view impact ordinance. So you might want to point the consultant in that direction. Or was it Tiburon? I think it was Belvedere. |
| 01:40:15.31 | Lili | And it was great. Thank you. Well, both jurisdictions are working in the housing working group, so I'll definitely make sure that they share those ordinances with us before the consultant gets started. |
| 01:40:26.89 | Unknown | Okay, great. So it sounds like there's kind of a general framework and then a little bit of tweaking that can be done locally. |
| 01:40:32.05 | Lili | that. |
| 01:40:34.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:40:34.48 | Lili | Exactly. Perfect. |
| 01:40:35.12 | Unknown | Thank you. OK, great. Thank you. |
| 01:40:39.78 | Mayor Burns | Any other questions, Jill? Seeing none. All right, I think we're good with questions. We're going to open it up to public comment on the SB 2 building and at home act. Any public comment on this item? Specifically, this side. |
| 01:41:08.45 | Mayor Burns | No matter what it is. |
| 01:41:18.10 | Mayor Burns | All right, Jeff, on SB2. Yes. Thank you. |
| 01:41:20.01 | Jeffrey Chase | Yes, SP2, designed you for low and moderate income housing of which Sausalito has two buildings. across from the library. mainly for elders. Which is something, and I'm friends with a couple people that live there. And I'm happy that that exists. It does not have housing for its workers. Mill Valley imports 92% of its daily workers. from out of the county. Sausalito. I don't know if there are any statistics for it. This contributes to Climate change. We don't have 100 years, Ray Withey. |
| 01:42:16.30 | Jeffrey Chase | Neither you nor I do. Let's start with that. According to The latest studies and the citizens movement all around the world. We have 12 years. To number one, have our government bodies acknowledge climate change. And with housing as one of the primary drivers of it. particularly housing far away from where people work. Not providing housing for workers specifically. which is what this bill is designed to rectify. The second demand? |
| 01:43:01.09 | Jeffrey Chase | is that we reduce, our carbon output. |
| 01:43:09.12 | Jeffrey Chase | A lot more than we have. There has been some reduction in Marin County. |
| 01:43:14.02 | Unknown | . |
| 01:43:14.27 | Jeffrey Chase | On the other hand, We produce a lot more waste that is not recycled. From 70 something percent recycling to 60 percent recycling in a few years is where Marin County has gone. I'd like to read a letter that Lily Whalen wrote about the dock. the housing that was closed which is the low income housing now in From first review, she says she's looking at the issue of the dock closing. Bob LaRonsa wrote her a letter. It looks like the two permits approved in the 80s, the cities and BCDCs, are in conflict with one another. I have reached out to schedule time to review their permit with the city. It is my understanding that Schoonmaker will delay any additional changes to their dock until the city and BCDC have reviewed the proposed changes. Did that happen? As far as I know, no. So we provide low income housing on the Anchorage now. The first Priority is ourselves, and then we have to look to other people and help them out. |
| 01:44:20.49 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 01:44:20.56 | Jeffrey Chase | you |
| 01:44:22.44 | Mayor Burns | Any other public comment on this item? Seeing none, I'm going to close public comment and bring it up here for discussion. Jill, do you want to start? It's okay. Right. |
| 01:44:34.00 | Michael Rex | Very briefly, I'm really glad that we're doing this. This is, YOU KNOW, Finding ways to collaborate to actually make money spread around more is exactly what we should be doing a lot more of in a lot different areas. And so I applaud the group, the working group's efforts here to make this collaborative effort. And thank county staff for coming tonight. So welcome back, Lily. I think you were last here in 2014, I think. Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:45:16.28 | Unknown | Yeah, I mean, I think this is great. I think it really dovetails nicely on the work that we did on the Mayor's Blue Ribbon Task Force on Housing. This was one of our biggest priorities was to make our design review findings more objective, so that if we can do that in a more efficient and effective manner, I think that's great, and all the goal of um also looking at ways to increase affordable housing in our community so i'm fully supportive |
| 01:45:48.00 | Jill Hoffman | I am as well. It's ironic because when the Blue Ribbon Task Force on Housing presented its report, one of our council members said, well, that's all very well and good, but how are you going to pay to do all of this work that you're recommending? and Lo and behold, our community development director, in working in concert with the county, has identified a funding source to allow us to start moving forward on some of those recommendations. So I think this is a marvelous program. |
| 01:46:16.27 | Mayor Burns | Right. and i appreciate the work i'm excited about the uh objective design guideline study um process and collaborating with the county on that and getting funds for that um and the nexus study obviously uh But yeah, there's a whole lot for me at this point. But, so thank you for your work on this and I think it's a great opportunity for us to bring in some money for this type of discussion that we've been talking about. So... All good. |
| 01:46:46.49 | Jill Hoffman | Then Mr. Mayor, I will move that the City Council adopt a resolution authorizing the City Manager to apply for SB 2 Building Jobs and Homes Act Planning Grants Program funds and authorizing the Planning Division to collaborate and apply with the county Marin and other local Marin jurisdictions for an SB 2 planning grant to facilitate housing element programs. Second. |
| 01:47:05.66 | Mayor Burns | All in favor? Aye. That motion passes five to zero. |
| 01:47:06.69 | Jill Hoffman | All right. |
| 01:47:11.47 | Mayor Burns | Any other discussion on that? Nope. Seeing none. Thank you. Thanks for coming down. Thank you. Good news, no traffic going back. |
| 01:47:19.38 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:47:26.06 | Mayor Burns | Next up, we have item 7D, your waterfront management update, Chief of Police, John Roebucker. Oh, oh, are we? LILLY. Oh, does she? Lily got us back on time. |
| 01:47:37.22 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. And she got. |
| 01:47:38.72 | Mayor Burns | Okay. |
| 01:47:39.32 | Jill Hoffman | She got it. Shanghai by Mr. Jacobs. |
| 01:47:43.80 | Mayor Burns | you I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO |
| 01:47:48.03 | Jill Hoffman | She's on task. |
| 01:47:49.27 | Mayor Burns | No pressure. So am I good to go or no? You're good to go. |
| 01:47:54.53 | Jill Hoffman | We're five minutes ahead of time, Chief, at the moment. |
| 01:47:55.74 | Mayor Burns | THE TIME, CHIEF, AT THE MOMENT. Thank you. |
| 01:47:57.28 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:47:57.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:58.44 | Unknown | Get us another five. No pressure. |
| 01:47:59.46 | Unknown | No pressure. Okay, good evening mayor and council members. I'm excited to be here tonight to talk about a concept idea for |
| 01:48:03.96 | Unknown | Good evening. |
| 01:48:13.07 | Unknown | Housing for anchor outs, but before I begin I have a couple of notes that I want to say first. This is not the usual Waterfront management update with statistics about boats and marine debris that the tenant frost so Abelie brings to you on regular updates the other is that Working on something as dynamic as this and meeting the challenges of staff work deadlines means that there are occasional words or phrases that are probably different tonight than they were on Wednesday last week when I submitted a staff report. And I will point them out as we go, just to be clear about that. And lastly, because this is very dynamic and involves people other than myself, I'm hoping that when we get to the discussion part that I can count on the assistance of Council Member Cox or Council Member Hoffman or the City Manager to bail me out when the time comes. Thank you. All right. |
| 01:49:22.11 | Unknown | Our pilot program concept is this. We are working on empowering anchor outs toward an independent life. And more on what that means. |
| 01:49:32.74 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:49:32.81 | Unknown | you |
| 01:49:32.98 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 01:49:34.35 | Unknown | Do you need a second? |
| 01:49:35.04 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, Chief. Yeah. |
| 01:49:37.97 | Unknown | something different? |
| 01:49:38.85 | Jill Hoffman | There's something in the hallway you might |
| 01:49:42.21 | Unknown | Do I need to step out for a second? |
| 01:49:43.39 | Jill Hoffman | You might or Mike might. |
| 01:49:58.10 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. The second person is for me, please. |
| 01:50:02.97 | Jeffrey Chase | you Absolutely. |
| 01:50:03.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:03.69 | Unknown | Thank you for seeing me. |
| 01:50:16.73 | Unknown | All right, I'm back. So the goal of our presentation is to provide you with sufficient information to stimulate the discussion about the pilot program concept. So what's that mean? So the concept is this, we want to work on creating a reentry housing opportunity for the anchor outs. And how do we go about doing that? So a tiny bit of background. We've been actively working on our waterfront management plan since July of 2017. We worked with the list of priorities that the city council agreed to and gave to us to work on. However, we knew from the beginning that eventually this would become all about people. And that's the point that we're at now. And we've done collaborative work. with the Marin County Health and Human Services, and under the topics of whole person care, coordinated entry, housing first, and of course the mobile shower program that we put into place in Saucedo back in December. So when we were working on the priorities today, those top few, the top three, are actually less critical now. We've done a significant amount of marine debris removal and unoccupied vessels that are being used as storage on Salcedo water and, of course, getting after the unregistered boats. And we're down to talking about those people who are living on the water who are a danger to themselves or others. So the pilot program concept is this, working in conjunction with the Marin County Department of Health and Human Services and various marine operators throughout town, we've put together a pilot program to assist the goal of empowering and anchor outs towards an independent life. That's a goal statement. only add on to this now already is that our outreach is not only includes Brent County Health and Human Services but also now the Ritter Center. And so that's one of the add-ons throughout my slides Through the work of the Waterfront Work Group, various marine operators throughout Saucedova agreed to make available eight liveaboard slips for a period of six months for this pilot program. Each participant enrolled in the program will be assigned a social worker, not likely to be somebody from Wren County, but likely, and we hope, somebody from the Ritter Center. That will ensure that the participants are provided the access to programs and resources intended to get them into a rapid re-entry out of homelessness. |
| 01:53:00.98 | Unknown | Each participant will be expected to abide by the individual marina's existing code of conduct. No occupants other than those already living on. The selected boat will be allowed at the slip. and program participants will not be allowed to return to Saucyuta waters at the conclusion of the six-month pilot program. The city intends to use its Tidelands Funds to pay those slip fees to the marina operators. And it's hoped that the pilot program, if it's successful, and that the county and the city council choose to continue it. Other funding sources may be identified. and that while we're working on this, we've been sharing the idea with the county and the BCDC and RBRA to let them know about our concept of the pilot program. |
| 01:53:54.59 | Unknown | And should the city council approve the concept, then we will continue to work with all the agencies involved. to secure all the necessary approvals for the pilot program, and to negotiate, execute all the agreements necessary to carry out the pilot program so that the slips we could have them occupied as early as June of this year, right now, coming up in a couple months. |
| 01:54:15.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:54:17.86 | Unknown | So we're asking that the City Council entertain these motions, receive and file this report, approve the pilot program concept, and direct us to get back to work, and that we're ready to do. And I think I skipped one just to have about the money. There was one in there about the money. But the Tidelands Fund. You had it in there. I did it? Tidelands Fund. All right. |
| 01:54:41.34 | Unknown | You had it in there. |
| 01:54:42.03 | Mayor Burns | Todd Linsman, yeah. |
| 01:54:42.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:54:43.90 | Unknown | just to make sure that was in there. So with that, that's a very high-level look at what we're working on. And I'm ready to take questions or ask others to help me with that for discussion. direction to get back to work. Still questions for me? |
| 01:55:03.66 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, Susan has one, and I have one. |
| 01:55:05.65 | Unknown | I actually have two. So my first question is what it sounds like you did outreach to our BRA. Did you was any outreach done with the anchor out community? |
| 01:55:16.94 | Unknown | No, we didn't do that yet. What I meant by the outreach to RBRA and to BCDC and to the county is that we have so many different groups that we participate in now. All right. myself and Adam and both council members is that we wanted to make sure they were aware of what we are working on we're not We didn't want to go forward with any community outreach. Tonight's the public unveiling. And so any other outreach to people or participants would be premature until after we get the green light from Council to move forward. |
| 01:55:51.37 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. And then could you talk more about the condition you that if someone participates in this program, they will not they have to agree not to return to Sausalito. Yes. |
| 01:56:05.86 | Unknown | Yes. So it's a important concept for the success of a program like this. It's to the point that in using the assessment tool, the VISBDAT tool, there's a target group. for that would be the most likely to succeed under something like this. The people who are the competent mariners on the water, they don't need this, this is not about them. This is people who are expressing an interest in not being on the water, they're hoping to get a job and take better care of themselves and their family. They probably have a strong interest. And so because we have the commitment for eight slips and funding for six months that we're proposing, we don't want to otherwise waste that or squander that on somebody who doesn't take this program seriously. the A minimum of six months, it could be longer, depending on additional funds that we are seeking from different groups. And, but the important part is no going back. |
| 01:57:20.96 | Unknown | So I'm I'd like to hear a public comment and hear what other people have to say. I'm a little bit concerned about this because there's no guarantee that you'd have another place to live. under this. I mean, the county so far we've seen not very many people from Sassalito housed through the county program. Hopefully that will change, but I just, I mean, that seems, I'm just having trouble with that condition. |
| 01:57:48.50 | Unknown | I have more information to share about that. So another group that I participate in is a group of a lot of other social workers, and we meet at the Marin City Health Center. And we just had our first meeting a month ago, and we have another meeting coming up later this month. And one of the things that we're doing is coordinating all of our outreach efforts to people on the water. |
| 01:57:51.06 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:58:14.08 | Unknown | One of the things that came up in the discussion is that There are people who may want some help. to make a little bit better life for themselves, but they really don't want to leave their boat. And this program is a great answer for that. Because once they're in a marina, there's not necessarily anything to prevent them from staying there. after the pilot program is over. And so we're still like up to our eyeballs in funding seeking funding and sources, but it doesn't have to be that at the end of six months, they just get kicked ashore. That's not the plan at all. That really doesn't do any good. So we have our eyes looking far forward than just those first six months, but a lot of that is going to be based on how successful we are in |
| 01:58:45.40 | Jill Hoffman | lowest cost of housing rates in |
| 01:58:46.97 | Unknown | Great. |
| 01:59:04.97 | Unknown | funding sources to continue the program. beyond the tidalance money of six months. |
| 01:59:12.85 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, great. Thank you. Can I add to that, Chief? So I did meet with some anchor outs to explore the concept of this program and I did meet with some of the marina operators And some of the anchor outs have said, if I can just get a slip, and get my feet back on the ground, I can get a job and pay for a slip. This, there is an opportunity, and I did speak to the marina operators, and if the program goes well and their code of conduct is complied with, they would have no objection of moving a, someone who's participating in this pilot program to a more permanent, Live aboard slip and as we all know live aboard slips are one of the most affordable housing options in Marin County. So. The other great thing about this program is some of the marinas have a long waiting list. And every marina that agreed to provide a slip is moving an anchor out to the very front of that waiting list. So they get a slip right away and don't have to wait six months to a year for a slip. |
| 02:00:22.85 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:00:24.15 | Mayor Burns | I'm not sure. What is the nexus between this, hold on you guys, we're going to have a meeting here for a little while. Thanks. Jeff, thank you. What is the nexus between the county social worker and being assigned to somebody because they're in a dock as opposed to their in the park or on a boat that's not in a dock, but next to a dock, but comes to the park every, I mean, what, why does this then become a social worker situation? Because they have a housing option where they didn't before. |
| 02:00:56.96 | Unknown | they didn't before that first and and so the the idea here is to help people who want to help themselves and provide an avenue for that and it likely would not be anybody from the county of Marin it would likely be somebody that we're going to partner with which we're hoping will be the Ritter Center and that they would assign caseworkers because they have the skill which we do not have, or the time which we do not have, but they have both, to help people as much or as little as they need to be successful in transitioning from living on the water to living in their slip with their own boat and having the things that they need to get a job or whatever else they're trying to do to care for themselves or their family. So how many times they see them, how many minutes or how much time, that all needs to be still discussed and would be probably individualized based on each person that agrees to participate in this pilot program. |
| 02:02:00.12 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, if I can just add to that, and the Chief captured most of it. What I think is not understood, by many folks is the county doesn't have a stable of social workers and social services program. They really have three employees and that's something that we just learned on Friday. And you met one of them with Ashley and Ken Shapiro has been in other meetings. with some of the council members as well. But they are contracting out these services. What the county has come and shared with us here at this meeting, or at the MCCMC Homeless Committee meetings, is that they've put all their eggs in one basket, and that's housing first for the most chronic. And those are the folks that are getting assessed. you know, at the 1314 level and then they're putting those folks into housing. with this effort, obviously people that are in or out of the hospital, We're in and out of. of jail. They have the biggest burden on tax dollars and need real services to help them and having them housed first has been successful. They're probably close to 130. people housed in this program probably since probably in less than a year since the program's been talked about for about 18 months but it hasn't been actually. in action for more than a year at this point. So what's missing is this next gap where we know that there are people that live in our water that aren't getting these services and there's no services being provided. And as the county, while the county is excited about the concept that we've brought forward, It's because it is serving an area that is underserved and hard to reach. And the county admits they have not done a good job of reaching out to the people that want these services. So here's an opportunity to bring them, keep them on the water, but into slips and then have the services to support them. to help them either decide that they want to continue to live in a marina or some of these folks would like to actually get into housing back on land. because of their age or their disability. or their own desires. So the option for both outcomes is what we're striving for. |
| 02:04:21.06 | Mayor Burns | Okay, we want that either way. We want somebody to talk to these people, whether they're 25 yards from a dock or in a dock. We want to get them off the water. into housing if that's what they want. |
| 02:04:34.07 | Jill Hoffman | I think that you just said, if they want. So we're not forcing anyone to participate in this program. No. |
| 02:04:39.76 | Mayor Burns | No, yeah. |
| 02:04:40.55 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, this is an opportunity for those who want to. |
| 02:04:44.26 | Mayor Burns | show up to a social worker appointment. |
| 02:04:44.35 | Jill Hoffman | show up. Well, who want to get off the water. So I've spoken with people who have been buffeted about in storms and high winds, and who spend every day figuring out how to get through the day and don't have time to work a full time job, although they're perfectly capable and willing, and who ended up on the water when their slip rent was tripled. who now, through a six month program could get their feet back on the ground, get a job, and be able to. take care of their kids and dogs and Um, And other things. But this is not for the seasoned mariners. I spoke with another mariner on Saturday, Carl, who has no interest in coming off the water. He likes living on the water, and so this program is not. This is for those anchor outs who are struggling and who would like some help to move forward. |
| 02:05:52.17 | Unknown | That's what this particular pilot program, it's a pilot program. |
| 02:05:56.37 | Unknown | Thank you. to help those people that want to transition off the water, transition off the water in a stable way with hopefully wrap around county services that are already there. But they just have trouble accessing because as Joan says, they live on the water and they're just trying to get- They're just surviving. Yeah, they're just working on that. So this will provide a level of stability, we believe. Again, it's a pilot program, we'll see how it goes. But we're also testing the narrative of people that are out there that want to transition off the water, that are capable of working, that want to work. |
| 02:06:11.34 | Unknown | Just trying to get... |
| 02:06:26.83 | Unknown | Um, we're trying to help that and facilitate that in the way that we can at a pretty know cost effective way i think the budget is 25 000 for six months for eight people to transition off the water i mean i think that's great That's a win-win-win. |
| 02:06:41.39 | Mayor Burns | No, I... And when, when. I completely agree. I'm not saying anything bad about the pilot. I'm just looking for the direct nexus between when they need social. I think they need social services all the time. Yes. And there's a nexus here that's just when they're in a dock. |
| 02:06:46.69 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:06:52.61 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 02:06:56.55 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, because we haven't figured out how to get, other than through the mobile shower program, anybody who signs up for a shower. |
| 02:07:02.52 | Mayor Burns | Exactly. Shower. That happens online and they get here for that. |
| 02:07:04.48 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, they also get a connection to social services. But as we have heard from Marin County social services presentations, their theory is housing first. Get a roof over their head, then start to provide them with the other services they need to obtain more stability in their life. The other purpose of the social worker, it's not just to be the conduit with the participants in the pilot program. It's also a resource for the marina operators. the marina operators have someone to chat with to address any challenges. |
| 02:07:37.60 | Mayor Burns | Well that's kind of what I'm looking for. Address any. Responsibility is there. because that becomes a responsibility. Any other questions? Thank you. Yeah. Nothing seen other questions all open up to public comment on this item public comment. I have one from Chad Chad Carvey first Seeing no others Jack come on up |
| 02:08:03.15 | Chad Carvey | Thank you very much, Chad Carvey. My wife and I live on our sailboat, and this is actually the first time I've ever addressed you not as an anchor out. So my wife and I have three months to go before our ten year sailing voyage around the world. And we took a slip at Susley W. Harbor these last few months finishing up our projects. But I will speak for them as much as I can, at least the ones that I know. I think that this idea is great for a small handful of anchor outs. I think the number eight, I think I just heard that kind of thing. There are a few anchor outs who really want off. It is perfect. We all have agreed that folks who are a danger to themselves or others are not Mariners. If this works, it's so creative and it's a miracle if you could pull this off. So, awesome, hallelujah, I think that's fantastic. But it doesn't address the big issue that I really want people to know, which is that the city council has decided that there is no future that includes anchor outs. No matter how healthy or the Carl that was just mentioned. As soon as the plan for the city council is that they all are gone through attrition and then there will be no anchor outs on our bay. And that's really what a lot of us are fighting against, that we want to not lose that community. And really to think of it just as you would think of your neighborhood, that it's not okay that that neighborhood goes away. I want to say a quick word about the Boating Community Boating Center. I've done some fundraising for them, I love it. As a principal and former principal and sailor, I love the idea of teaching young people and getting people sailing. But just so you know, that long dock, empty, is the most painful thing for anchor outs to see every day when they have to fight and fight for any kind of shore access. So having it be empty right in front of them is a real pain for many of them, especially the disabled and seniors. But I want people to understand that the anchor outs with good, clean, safe, environmentally sound boats, that community is not going to go away. And it's not going to happen. It's a waste of time for the city council to insist that they all must be gone. And we just hope that you'd find a place in your heart for a future that includes a clean, safe anchor out community. Thank you. |
| 02:10:15.22 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Jeff. No, Jeff, sorry. Thanks, Chad. |
| 02:10:20.33 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 02:10:24.98 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you Chad Carvey. We've begun as civil rights. Movement here. kind of like Selma, Voting rights taken away. and now a dock taken away from Schoonmockers. I'm assuming Chad and City Council and chief, that this was developed rather quickly. Perhaps in reaction. to what we did last week, and what we will continue to do until it either works or it doesn't. |
| 02:11:04.81 | Jeffrey Chase | The closing of Schoonmaker's doc was a legal Making Schoonmarkers criminals. It's called thievery. You are not allowed to own any public land below high tide. If they signed a conditional use permit, Marinship General Plan. California Coastal Commission guaranteeing that they would have a dinghy dock and they closed it. Making it much more dangerous now, the fierce urgency of now. is what Martin Luther King said. In the I have a dream speech. He did not criticize his own people for being a danger to themselves or others. The idea that you would take. the people most vulnerable the people that are the craziest and that the marinas would accept them is ludicrous. I do not trust that. Happening. The exact opposite is actually happening. Cutting off of access. that. If the city cooperates with this, they will be included in a lawsuit. We finished it this time, I've threatened this before. On my mother's death bed, I promised her. that I would take the LSATs. Susan and Jill, as lawyers. You've done a lot of hard work. THE BEST OF THE BEST OF THE And now sit. in your positions of power and influence, to use that power and influence against the most vulnerable population. And to whitewash it with this plan that can never happen. never happened. The anchor outs will not cooperate. With it, There is no housing, in fact, the opposite, the rest program was ended. The churches and synagogues in Marin used to house people, they no longer do. You could accept Section 8 vouchers here in the city with a simple vote. You do not do that. You are not trying to solve this problem, you're trying to paper it over and it's not going to work. |
| 02:13:34.76 | Guy Kelly | Hi, my name is Guy Kelly and I'm an anchor out here in Marin. I'm in federal water. I just kinda wanted to address some of the items that the chief was speaking about. It's more about the language that is being spoke. It's all geared towards homeless, re-entry, |
| 02:13:35.10 | Unknown | Hi guys. |
| 02:13:35.45 | Unknown | I know. |
| 02:13:51.28 | Guy Kelly | therapy, you know, I didn't come here homeless. I'm still not homeless. I don't need his help. I don't need your help. I survive on my own. If you're in the water, it's probably going to be me helping you. That's really how it goes. I work in Sausalito. I worked prior to working in Sausalito. I came here with nothing. And I made it happen. I walked down there. I hooked up a little computer card. from the library and I looked for a job and I got a job and I've worked here every since I've moved here. I had a job in the city and I quit to come here. I think it's like some of the items are really important to re-entry for a lot of people, but there's a willingness that has to be applied there. that you can't walk around in uniform and go, You need to do this, and you can't come back here. You're giving people consequences to living freely. The people that live on the water choose to live on the water and it is home. That's my home. I have a beautiful home. I'm better off now than I was in the city. |
| 02:14:47.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:14:47.54 | Guy Kelly | I don't have a manager, I don't have a roommate, I'm not controlled. I'm independent. I don't have anyone making decisions for my life but me. So I don't know. There's just a lot of things in the way – It's illustrated that, We need help. I don't need help. When you guys need your boat picks, you bring it to me. When you guys fall in the water, you come to me. I'm the guy that drags people out of the water. I'm not sure. But yeah, I just, I don't know, there's a lot of things with the language that I was really concerned with. I do agree with a re-entry. but I don't agree with giving people like basically time over your head you do this program or you're not allowed in the water the water is not his the water is not yours it's federal it's ours Federal is a people. That's not this council. That's not him. That's where I'm concerned is people are taking more than what is theirs. This land doesn't really belong to us. The water doesn't belong to us. When you're in the water, you belong to Mother Nature, and you have to work with her. |
| 02:15:47.62 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Is there any other public comment? Seeing none, closing public comment. AND BRING IT UP HERE FOR MORE DISCUSSION. ideas, resolution. Nope, just direction. |
| 02:16:04.71 | Unknown | Yeah, Jill. I know too much about this program, so I'm happy to answer any questions if anybody has any questions about it. |
| 02:16:04.75 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, Joe. |
| 02:16:13.00 | Mayor Burns | Well, I'm all for it. |
| 02:16:16.27 | Unknown | Yeah, so I... you I mean, I definitely agree with the goal. I definitely appreciate the focus and the presentation on people. I think that's a really important issue. I'm wrestling with, and I also think to the last gentleman's comment, this is not a program for everyone. And I don't think it's meant to be, and I don't think there, I don't think, The words used in the presentation and The program itself were meant to um, convey that every anchor out or every person living on the water is well suited for this particular program. So that's the way that I took it. And I think it's a program for a select group of people, is how I understood this. And that it's a benefit, it's voluntary, and it's not It's not a one size fits all. So I think for some people, I think this could be a great solution. The condition that I am struggling with is that for six you know this is a pilot and right now we have funding for six months we don't know if it will work we don't know if it will go beyond that we don't know if people will have a housing opportunity at the end of the six months so given all of that i don't think it's really fair to ask someone to agree that they will never return to the water because after six months if we have no more if the marinas don't like the program, we don't have any more money to pay for the slips, or there's no housing being provided by the county. Thank you. you know, what are we supposed to tell that person? So I would like a softer condition that reflects the reality after six months. So if there is a continuing spot in the marina and the person has agreed with the code of conduct, et cetera. then they won't return to the water. But if they have no other options, I just really find that to not be a, condition that we should insist upon. So that's my only concern. I think the other issue that I have is the criteria of who would be eligible. to take advantage of the program. And that I think is something that could be fleshed out |
| 02:18:45.41 | Jill Hoffman | It's up to the county. The county is working with the police to figure that out. Okay. That's not up to us. So, |
| 02:18:49.40 | Unknown | Okay, so they could be a resident of Sausalito or County Waters? |
| 02:18:54.64 | Jill Hoffman | The initial program would focus on residents of Sausalito waters, but if the program is successful and moves, because it's being funded by Sausalito monies. But if it's successful and moves forward, then it would become |
| 02:19:07.39 | Adam Politzer | Can I comment on that just for clarity, because I think it's a good question that Councilmember Cleveland Knowles is asking there, because we didn't bring it up earlier. When we met with the county, we identified that at the time there was 18 folks living in Sausalito's waters, and that was a really manageable number versus the 60 or 70 out in the county's water. So as a pilot program, we thought that this one was we can identify folks that are Mariners that clearly don't want or need these services folks that are homeless that actually would like this services and then those in between that may or may not be interested in this program so the county felt that this was a manageable number we could actually a difference, see if it's a program that serves as a model for an expanded program, and then additional state funds may be eligible for an expanded program. So the county thought that working within Sausalito waters during the pilot program would help us see if we could be successful. |
| 02:19:07.64 | Jill Hoffman | Can I get that? |
| 02:20:10.30 | Unknown | Great, thank you for that. So those are my main comments. I appreciate the creativity and the From the working group and also the offer from the marinas and the county and I think it's worth a try. So I would be in favor of it. And then just as a kind of response to a couple of other comments that were made by the public about the access to the various marinas. I mean, I think this is definitely something that we need to keep an eye on. I think safe access points are important for public access at the shore. So I know staff has been working on the specific situation at Schoonmacher, but I think that's just something that we need to keep working on. And then just going back to a discussion, and this is probably for a longer discussion at a future meeting, but going back to the discussion we had the last time we had our waterfront update and we had the bcdc slide presentation um we talked a lot about a slide about this idea of attrition. And I think that's been, we kind of had this discussion in the context of a slide that we were going to present to BCDC. And this idea of are we working on attrition to zero or are we working on attrition to a manageable, safe, sustainable anchorage? |
| 02:21:39.11 | Unknown | The Press. |
| 02:21:42.35 | Unknown | So Jeff, we've listened to you a number of times tonight, so I'd appreciate the courtesy of having you listen to me. Thank you. Anyway, I was uncomfortable. I think I hesitated quite a bit at that meeting on whether we were. I am definitely in favor of a current approach of no new boats on the water. I think that's a reasonable approach as we work. on reaching a kind of manageable situation. But I just wanted to say, and I'd love to talk about it later, probably at a different meeting, that I'm not really comfortable with this end goal of zero, necessarily. I think the idea is to get to some sustainable number, see how it works, and if it can be done in a sustainable, manageable way, that's a goal that I would prefer. Thank you. Those are my thoughts. |
| 02:22:38.74 | Jill Hoffman | I'll just respond to a couple. So we were asked to come up here in front of BCDC's enforcement committee, because we are right now violating BCDC's regulations regarding the water. And they wanted a report from us about what we are doing to comply with their regulations. And until we are able to reach out to BCDC, and persuade them that their regulations are wrong. that their regulations are not necessary for their mission of conservation. on the water. And they lift those regulations, we continue to be obliged to follow those regulations. I thought we were pretty bold. to tell BCDC that we refuse to order any people currently living in boats on Sausalito waters to leave Sausalito's waters. And we made that point very clear to BCDC. We did say that we will not allow new boats on the water. but we were clear that The only way boats will leave the water is through attrition and as a result at the next meeting with BCDC they said, that we had not done enough to address providing services to people to give them alternatives other than living on the water. And they said the water is not the place to house the homeless. And I don't consider all of the anchor outs to be homeless, but in the point in time count, Marin County counts many of the anchor outs living in Sausalito waters as homeless. And they only count them as being homeless because they fulfill certain objective criteria. THAT. Marin County. considers to constitute homeless. Ironically, the fact that they are considered homeless is part of what enables us to advance a program to assist those anchor outs who would like our assistance. Once a boat comes off the water onto a marina, for six months. We cannot allow them back on the water because we have a policy of no new boats on the water. Me too. I'm sorry? |
| 02:25:03.09 | Unknown | I- Specifically at our last meeting, I asked if people who were absent from the water for some amount of time could return and we all agreed yes. |
| 02:25:11.50 | Jill Hoffman | I don't recall agreeing yes to that. |
| 02:25:12.71 | Unknown | We did. |
| 02:25:14.89 | Jill Hoffman | So in any event. |
| 02:25:15.88 | Unknown | In any case, that's, I mean, because that was a specific question that I asked, and I think |
| 02:25:20.51 | Jill Hoffman | So I think the program becomes pointless if you say, come live at our dock for free for six months and then go right back out on the water. What is the point? The point of this program- |
| 02:25:31.65 | Unknown | So Joan, I'm not, yeah, so that wasn't my point. If we have an alternative... |
| 02:25:33.06 | Jill Hoffman | So that wasn't my point. |
| 02:25:39.17 | Unknown | If the city of Sausalito or the county can provide an alternative to that person, which is either housing on land or continued occupation of a slip, then I agree that condition we could enforce that condition. But if we do not have an option because we have run out of money, or the marinas are no longer going to accept that person at the slip, and the county has no housing, I don't feel... then we've completely removed options. So just for the pilot, I mean, if this program works and we can show that it's working, maybe then that could be a condition. |
| 02:26:15.98 | Jill Hoffman | So one other issue is that if someone chooses to participate in this program and declines to cooperate with the efforts of the social workers providing coordinated entry to other programs. Again, it's a loophole that allows someone to get six months of free rent at a slip without making an effort to better their situation in life. It provides them an incentive. not to move forward. If we have a disincentive, meaning, we're not going to welcome you back on the water if you don't make an effort to put your best foot forward and undertake those programs or services that you need in order to Um, be able to accomplish a more stable lifestyle. Then why is the city investing that money? So what happens on month seven? |
| 02:27:18.68 | Mayor Burns | What happens if somebody's not cooperating or the what do we do with that person? What do we do with their boat on month seven? |
| 02:27:27.68 | Unknown | That's the question, and it's a pilot. No, I didn't pilot. |
| 02:27:28.91 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:27:29.03 | Jill Hoffman | It's not. |
| 02:27:29.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:30.01 | Mayor Burns | No, I get to call it. |
| 02:27:30.97 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:27:31.96 | Mayor Burns | But that's the outcome I think you're looking for. |
| 02:27:31.96 | Jill Hoffman | But that's the outcome I think she's looking for. So I think we come back here, Joe, and we say to the council, this is a six month pilot program. I expect to be giving updates. And I think we bring that question back to the council and say, look, of our eight boats, six people have secured, have cooperated with the marina operator. They've been welcomed. They've been offered their own permanent slip. |
| 02:27:33.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:27:55.49 | Jill Hoffman | you know, blah, blah, blah. However, two have not. And then we'll take a look at that |
| 02:28:00.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:28:00.62 | Mayor Burns | And we release them to the waters? |
| 02:28:01.50 | Jill Hoffman | were |
| 02:28:02.03 | Unknown | Well... |
| 02:28:02.47 | Jill Hoffman | I don't know. |
| 02:28:02.49 | Mayor Burns | I don't know what the |
| 02:28:02.96 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 02:28:03.71 | Jill Hoffman | the solution. |
| 02:28:03.98 | Unknown | That's what the pilot program is supposed to be about, right? We're trying to figure out how to move forward. This question of what do you do, that is one of our questions. Like, how do we work our way through the system? We're trying to secure money and funding, yes, Adam has his hand up. |
| 02:28:04.42 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:28:04.43 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:28:21.61 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think it's a good question and we're not going to be able to resolve, come to an answer tonight. But I think that's again why we're leaning on the county health and human services and Ritter Center because they do have housing programs and there are rules and people don't abide by those rules. And in some cases they don't just say out to the streets you go. They try to find other alternatives that might work for them. So I think we're going to rely on the county to help us answer that question. And I think we're not asking you to approve the program tonight. It's our job. We're asking you to give us direction to go back, based on some of the feedback you've given us tonight, to now go continue to work with the Ritter Center and the county. And then when we come with the program, hopefully nicely tied up in a nice bow with additional funding, then we can get into the nitty gritty and hopefully the county health and human services can be here. We didn't ask them to be here tonight because we were just asking for your conceptual support for us to move forward. It's important to note, and I heard two council members mention the 25,000. 25,000 isn't the full cost of this program. That really, right now, is the city's contribution towards the slips. As we work with County Health and Human Services, the social services have another cost to it. Roughly in the neighborhood of $500 per person. It's one case manager per 17 people. So you're looking at a halftime position being added to an already, to Ritter Center, they already have people. So they would just expand by half a person to support this. So as we look for county and state funds to support this, we ideally have the funds wrapping around |
| 02:29:09.45 | Unknown | additional |
| 02:29:10.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:09.39 | Adam Politzer | the entire program, including the cost of the slips. So we're just looking at how do we launch this program and that 25,000 is seed money to do that as we work with the county between now and the fall to have the permanent funding. |
| 02:30:23.36 | Mayor Burns | clear. I want to just make a couple comments. So I like the program. I like that we're doing this. I just wanted to make sure that we had some of these things worked out. Susan brought them up. The details of the three people spoke, but those three people weren't included in this program. |
| 02:30:43.26 | Unknown | you |
| 02:30:44.17 | Mayor Burns | Specifically, this was about people who don't want to be on the water and non-mariners. And so the Mariners got up and said, it's not for us, but it had already been said it wasn't for you. So again, we thank you for coming and speaking on behalf of somebody that's not a Mariner. and your Mariners. But on access, I think we should have, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON on access, the difference between access and parking, and all day parking, and all week parking. Because I think that's really what we're, access, I think any mariner, a real mariner, has an obligation to find their access to the shore, that's part of being a mariner. But parking is not necessarily that situation, that's where we're running into issues, is all day parking, which we don't allow anywhere else either. Yeah. |
| 02:31:36.97 | John Scappozzi | Thank you. |
| 02:31:38.88 | Michael Rex | So let me, first of all, applaud the working group. You know, I mean, this is a really, really good policy. And it's a pilot. And so let's see what happens. I don't want to be the... Uh... What's the best way to put it? Fly anywhere. |
| 02:32:04.33 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:32:04.38 | Unknown | of it. |
| 02:32:05.09 | Michael Rex | The fly in the ointment. How's that? Okay, I'll use that one. Um... But it is not sustainable for the city of Sausalito to be paying for slip fees. It is just not sustainable. I fully support the expenditure of $25,000 out of the Tideland's fund for this. In our mid-year budget, I'd like to have an update along with all the other stuff as to what the Tideland fund is looking like. We took a significant amount of money out of its balance last year. And so I'm hoping that that will occur. And so beyond the six months, This council member can't agree to be just writing checks to slip owners. It just can't happen. But with that said, I'm fully supportive of this pilot program. And then hopefully we'll find funding mechanisms if it's a successful program. And that's got to be part of the success of the program is that we find. funding mechanisms for it. I kind of understand the issue that council member Cleveland Knowles is focusing on because in the end, We're gonna find ourselves in a more difficult problem in six months time. If we have a bunch of people who want to stay there, don't have the money to fund it. We can't take any more money out of the Thailand's fund or don't want to. And then we've actually made our life more miserable, quite frankly, than it was six months, than it is now. So that's a concern. But I think it's worth doing the pilot, you know, because... you know it might the balls might start rolling and you know so again congratulations all around this is a superb idea but I do understand the issue the end game here of the pilot is potentially problematic I have one more point. No, sorry, it's gone. If it comes to me, I'll remember. I know what it was. I know what it was. The time is not right now. But the undercurrent of all these conversations for the last two years on the waterfront management plan, Which by any stretch of the imagination when it started in 2017 has been a significant success. You can't say it's been a significant success. A measured, careful approach to the management of our waterfront has been outstanding. But with that said, At some point in the future, and it may not be this council, A council has got to make up its mind as to what is the end game on the Anchorage. This has got to make up its mind. We can't be dancing around. And it may be a year's time, it may be two years' time. I don't know what the dynamics of how this whole conversation is going to go, but there's going to be a point where we can't kick the can down the road anymore. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:35:52.70 | Jill Hoffman | Can I address a couple of things? |
| 02:35:52.76 | Michael Rex | Can I address a couple of things? |
| 02:35:55.28 | Jill Hoffman | uh, Ray, I think as the chief said, this program is moving by leaps and bounds on a daily basis. And so we did have a very encouraging phone call on Friday. At which the county of Marin identified a potential source of funding for this program should be the city be um, fortunate enough to obtain the funding, it appears as though. The program, the rapid rehousing program that we're offering. lines up. point by point with some funding that's available and will start to be available in the fall. |
| 02:36:33.42 | Mayor Burns | I think funding will be the easiest part of all this. |
| 02:36:35.96 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. And we also are exploring whether Section 8 HUD funding. Because HCD has already classified our live aboard housing as low income housing. And there are people who live in marinas who are already obtaining Section 8 housing. |
| 02:36:38.68 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. I'm not paying money. |
| 02:36:54.78 | Jill Hoffman | assistance as I understand it. And so we're still working out the details of identifying funding. Um, I think you may recall several months ago we heard from RBRA about this ecological study that they're undertaking. So RBRA told the BCDC that their goal is to examine the feasibility of moorings in Richardson's Bay. in a manner that's ecologically not harmful. And so I think that study, which is slated to be completed this summer, and BCDC has asked us to come back to them in September, perhaps. I think when that study comes in and as RBRA continues to advance its strategy with BCDC of that's more in line with councilmember Cleveland Knowles and game of having some manageable number of moorings on the bay we shall see how bcdc responds to A, the outcome of the ecological study and B, RBRAs, The current RBRA administration's plan. to advance some plan for moorings |
| 02:38:12.37 | Unknown | morning. |
| 02:38:12.66 | Jill Hoffman | On the bay, the Sausalito City Council at that time, if that plan is advanced, will have to weigh in on the impacts to Sausalito of having permanent moorings on the bay. The economic impacts, the logistical impacts, and how those impacts should be mitigated and addressed by their beneficiaries or by the agencies advancing them. So I agree this is a conversation for the future, but I think that the future is approaching as these various studies are undertaken. And as BCDC's enforcement committee continues to weigh in, |
| 02:38:42.14 | Unknown | study. |
| 02:38:48.40 | Jill Hoffman | on our agency's compliance with the McAteer Petrus Act. |
| 02:38:52.79 | Mayor Burns | This is a housing and social element tonight though I mean basically |
| 02:38:54.61 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 02:38:59.03 | Michael Rex | Yeah, I think that is very helpful, that timeline. I mean, so if you're going to, if you understand that we've got to get our arms around what the end game is here. The trouble is that we're just one player, we've got RBRA, importantly we've got the county. Thank you. |
| 02:39:18.71 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:39:19.04 | Michael Rex | And BCDC. Yeah, I understand, but I'm focusing on the county. And the reason I'm focusing on the county is that, and it all then ties up with access. I'm not sure. If you're going to have the long term solution, it's also got to be a solution for access to shore and a mitigation of the impacts, as you've pointed out, of that shore access. And any way you look at it, Sol Solito is the one who has the impact and somebody's got to pay the bill. |
| 02:39:56.61 | Unknown | So as part of this conversation, what we've been driving toward is complying with the rules as they exist, the rules and regulations laws as they exist today. And the rules as they exist today is that there is no legal foundation for long term residential living on the water as Bayfield. I mean, we've settled that with our white paper. Um, But we were driving toward order. I mean, when RBRA came to us in 2015 and said they wanted to do 200 more in the office office leader store, you The first question that we have to talk about is management and what's out there. And so our efforts have gotten us closer to being able to realistically talk about that now. Because we've removed, in our waters, we've removed the debris. It's much safer out there now because we've removed boats that are really abandoned and a problem for everybody, not just, so we're much closer now with our efforts. We're trying to get RBRA to follow our lead and get closer to that number that is now, you can actually have a conversation about. But we're getting there, and we're getting there much faster. Part of that conversation is The end game. is... How do we change those regulations? And how do we get there and what's the tolerance from the state and from BCDC for changing those regulations? So, but like I said, I think we're moving toward A position where we can now credibly talk about that with I think Sausalito has a lot of credibility right now with BCDC and our ability to manage. The county and RBRA needs to catch up. And I don't think this conversation, this end conversation is possible until they get to where we are. in our management efforts. So, and I look forward to that conversation actually. I'm very pleased with where we are and done an incredible amount of work from our staff and from Council Member Cox in working toward where we are today and |
| 02:42:06.22 | Jill Hoffman | This was not a program conceived in the last week. This has been a program that we've been working on for months. There have been, I would say, at least 300 man hours devoted to this program so far. It's at least, so. |
| 02:42:06.26 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:42:20.13 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:42:20.15 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:42:20.33 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. May I recommend that we |
| 02:42:20.77 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 02:42:24.11 | Jill Hoffman | May I make a motion that we approve the pilot program concept and direct staff and the waterfront working group to continue their efforts and come back to us with some agreements for our consideration. |
| 02:42:35.35 | Unknown | SECOND. |
| 02:42:36.57 | Mayor Burns | All in favor? Aye. That motion passes five to zero. |
| 02:42:37.41 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 02:42:37.43 | Unknown | Aye. |
| 02:42:44.65 | Mayor Burns | Now, running behind time. 7E, adopt resolution giving the council an option to increase the size of the general plan advisory committee as needed and to change the council designation representation on the committee. So I know we should do one pretty much automatically. Staff report, who wants to give this quickly? Thank you. |
| 02:43:07.78 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Search. Good evening, Mayor, Council members. This item was brought forward pursuant to Council's request for dialogue. We have attempted to document the request to promote your discussion. We are, We're asking that council adopts the draft resolution in your packet. And to giving council the option to increase the size of the general plan advisory committee as needed. And to change council designated representation of the committee. |
| 02:43:54.06 | Mayor Burns | All right. Are there any questions of Serge on his report? |
| 02:44:01.73 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:44:01.77 | Mayor Burns | Seeing none. |
| 02:44:02.93 | Jill Hoffman | I had one question. Okay, go ahead. Yes, we have some. If we add additional, my understanding is that the whole concept of adding additional members is to be sure that if we lose another member, we don't have to go out and have someone start over another year down the road. And so I am asking if by this approach, are we saying if we lose a member, we're now not going to replace them. We're just going to live with our committee, however many people end up on it, even if we lose one or two more, adding one or two now. |
| 02:44:02.95 | Mayor Burns | I had one question. Yes, we have some. |
| 02:44:37.52 | Jill Hoffman | avoids us having to go through this interview process again and having some new person catch up when we're already through the visioning phase. So is that the intention of this? understanding of the intention of this approach. |
| 02:44:55.95 | Unknown | I can speak because this was sort of an idea that I originally put forward. So that, yes, that was my original idea because it seemed like it was such a heavy lift even to have one. |
| 02:45:00.61 | Jill Hoffman | That was great. |
| 02:45:06.70 | Unknown | person come up to speed and then we interviewed a lot of really fantastic people and i thought well, you know, if we're going to add more people or potentially lose other people, which you can't you know, everyone on the committee right now is very committed. I don't anticipate that, but. You never know. So that was the original idea. I mean, I feel like the general planning committee itself, some people have reached out that they're not in favor of this. So I don't want to push this. I mean, I kind of defer to you and Ray as the members. It sounds like people feel like the number would be unwieldy and would hinder conversation. You know, I just, in having people recommend some of the great candidates, they made some really good points about having more representation, just for example, from the marineship, So, That was where it started, yes. And I would not think that at this point going forward, if we did appoint anyone else, we would not replace any, |
| 02:46:13.04 | Jill Hoffman | THE FEDERAL. |
| 02:46:13.88 | Unknown | I mean, that wouldn't be my intent. |
| 02:46:13.95 | Jill Hoffman | I mean, that wouldn't Thank you. |
| 02:46:16.43 | Mayor Burns | . Thank you. My question would be. |
| 02:46:18.76 | Unknown | I don't feel that strongly about this whole thing. |
| 02:46:21.14 | Mayor Burns | My question would be what is the workload of the people coming on now and going forward? Usually in a committee, the size of the committee is based on the the workload you have to do, the things you have to do. So granted, the homework is a workload, but is one group reaching out here and another group here? Not really. So whether there was nine or 28, it's really just more opinions than anything else. And the opinion we're most after is the communities. So whether they're on the committee or not, they still have the same opinion. I'd like more people involved in the process. I'd like the visionary process to be encompassing 50, 70, 100 people in a room. |
| 02:46:43.36 | Unknown | It's a great place. |
| 02:47:01.92 | Mayor Burns | But I'm not sure why we needed 13 at the beginning. unless there was 13 tasks needed to be done. And I don't see that there needs to be 15. And if we got down to 9 or 10 at this point, given that we're really supposedly going out to the public soon with some feedback requirements, I just don't know the difference and why we need more. |
| 02:47:25.13 | Jill Hoffman | So I will say, I think it's helpful to have an odd number of people in case we have a tie vote on a particular issue that we're recommending to the council. So it is helpful to have an odd number of people on the- on the. And so there might be a reason to have an alternate. We do have a member who's missed a number of meetings and has some health challenges. So I don't know what the future. will hold But I'm happy with our 13 people. It has been really great. Every person on the committee brings a different perspective. Many have long Institutional knowledge, but then like Melissa was just brilliant at our last meeting with fresh thinking and perspectives. So I feel blessed with the constitution of the committee as it is. So I think the only reason to consider any action on this is to consider what will happen if we lose one or two members moving forward. |
| 02:48:28.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:48:31.45 | Michael Rex | There's really two issues here. The first, which I don't think is controversial, is to change the wording of the composition so that the standing mayor is not obligated to be on it. Okay, so that's good. And some clean up there, that's excellent. That should be non-controversial. Bye. There are times when I think that the GPAC is very well balanced. And But time will tell. Time will tell. Could there be more representation |
| 02:49:14.04 | Guy Kelly | Thank you. |
| 02:49:16.94 | Michael Rex | to representatives from other demographics within Sol Cvito. Yeah, but we could keep that going forever until, um, The risk, the disruption to adding new people is there. The extra voices could be interesting. So it's, I would sort of lean to actually not expanding it, to be honest. That would be, but if the council thought otherwise, I'd obviously then say, okay, well then, let's go and try and productively add some more people. I think there's quite frankly, I don't think this is the question to be asked. And there's, I think there's some. really important, we're at a really important time where We need to be engaging the public more. The most disappointing thing I find is the lack of people there. In the audience, by far, that's number one, and number two, This council's got to get more involved. We need to have more regular business item updates. We're getting to a point where some decisions... potentially could be made that this council might not agree with. And I think this council needs to be aware of those decisions before they're made, because it will send the G pack off in a different direction. For instance, there was a discussion. It was quite reasonable that somebody asked the question last time, |
| 02:50:39.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:50:39.97 | Unknown | you |
| 02:50:54.06 | Michael Rex | Well, if we vote on something, can the City Council overturn us? You know, and I mean, it's not an unreasonable question, I suppose, and you know, bringing up the fact that you need an odd number for voting and whatever, you know, |
| 02:51:06.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:11.47 | Michael Rex | I'm not sure. You don't have an odd number for voting, because I refuse to vote. So- |
| 02:51:19.71 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:51:19.79 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:51:19.84 | Michael Rex | you |
| 02:51:20.01 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. We haven't really had to vote yet. Right, yet. We haven't had to vote yet. |
| 02:51:22.52 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:51:22.54 | Mayor Burns | We haven't had to vote yet. If the 7-6 bring it to us anyway. Right. For sure. |
| 02:51:26.03 | Jill Hoffman | Right, exactly. For sure. Well, we bring it to you anyway. That's right. What we've done so far is compile existing conditions. But you will on the 30th here review a revised work plan with a revised timeline, with a change order. And so that's important that the council get invested in it. |
| 02:51:43.06 | Michael Rex | We brought something to the council, I don't know how long ago now, a year ago maybe, six, nine months, I don't know. Where, because it was very clear that the GPAC needed direction on the fate of the marineship-specific plan. And we sort of had people humming and hawing and generally dancing around the issue, to be honest, at the GPAC. And our chair wisely said, This is bring it up here. This is a discussion for the City Council. And we said, no, look, our working assumption is that the existing marineship-specific plan goes, and what we'll try and do is bring it all incorporated into the general plan and make the assessment whether a new marineship-specific plan is even needed. The GPAC needed that direction from us because otherwise it could have gone in different directions and it really needed that at the time. I think every other meeting we're gonna be faced with issues like that now from now on. Okay, so in one sense, it don't matter whether there's 11, 13, 15, you know, In one sense, it doesn't matter because things that are really controversial are only going to get resolved here. |
| 02:53:09.93 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:53:11.89 | Michael Rex | Right. So my, it's sort of, It's not the old saying, right? It's not broke, don't fix it. And there's part of me thinking that. But I'm, you know. I'm open. I'm open to it. San Rafael had a |
| 02:53:28.67 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:53:28.68 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, so. Just as a point of order, we're sort of having a discussion. We've gotten past questions and we haven't yet heard from the public on this. |
| 02:53:36.02 | Michael Rex | from the public on this. |
| 02:53:37.17 | Mayor Burns | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:53:37.49 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:53:37.52 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. True. public public comment on this item. |
| 02:53:40.70 | Michael Rex | THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE |
| 02:53:49.37 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:53:50.40 | Sandra Bushmaker | Sandra Bushmaker, applicant for the GPAC. I happen to agree with Joan on the odd numbers. It just makes it a little cleaner when it comes from the GPAC group, how the vote lies. And I think that gives perhaps some council direction on how the vote the commission is thinking. I do have some comments about the alternate position. Is this a time that I can bring this up? |
| 02:54:22.36 | Mayor Burns | Sure. |
| 02:54:23.31 | Sandra Bushmaker | All right, I just request that if you do make alternate appointments, that it's really clear that the alternate may step in when there's an absence in the committee. I mean, that's how I functioned on the Disaster Preparedness Committee. If we didn't have a full deck, I just stepped up and voted, and that seemed to work. So I would just ask the council to give clear direction on how the alternate is to function. If there is a resignation, is the alternate going to automatically step into that position? rather than having to come back to the council and go through the process again. So those are my points that I just wanted to bring up at this point. I have attended quite a few of the GPAC meetings and I agree that there, is not enough public participation and there's a lot going on in the g-pack and i i would like to see more public participation or at least listening to to what this process is i think that would behoove the whole process and the information that comes back to the council and the more public involvement the better i know that makes for sometimes for difficult meetings, but nevertheless, I think it's a smart move on the part of the council to encourage that. Thank you. Got a minute and nine seconds left, but I'll... Stop. |
| 02:55:46.13 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. Any other public comment? Seeing none. We can bring it up here for discussion. |
| 02:55:53.28 | Michael Rex | for the rest of the day. |
| 02:55:54.28 | Mayor Burns | Is there anything that hasn't been said yet? |
| 02:55:54.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:54.79 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:55:54.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:54.94 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:55:54.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:55:55.04 | Michael Rex | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:55:56.39 | Unknown | Well, so that was going to be my comment actually. Do we want to appoint alternates? And then we're done. THE FAMILY IS right do we want to point two or three alternates or one alternate or whatever and then say okay we're done and as people we have attrition then the alternates move up And attend meetings and if there's an absence, although we, i mean the the i think the point for an alternate in some of the committees is so that you have a quorum so when you need to have a vote or your passing resolution but i don't think you're going to need that for we never have an issue with having |
| 02:56:25.60 | Jill Hoffman | We never have an issue with having a quorum. |
| 02:56:27.62 | Unknown | So perhaps not voting, but certainly an alternate who moves up, who knows they're on deck if someone quits and you guys feel like it's necessary to have 14. I just want to... |
| 02:56:41.26 | Mayor Burns | I just want to. Yeah. |
| 02:56:44.40 | Unknown | Yes. Thank you. Sorry, you and Joan know more about how the smooth functioning of the GPAC, and I would take your recommendations on how you want to move forward. |
| 02:56:57.14 | Mayor Burns | I completely agree that there's some wonderful people out there that want to be involved, should be involved, could be involved. I just think it's a... not a great precedent to say you have to be appointed to a committee to be involved. And that's currently what's happening at this point. we have no but another participation so. These people, anybody, we should be getting them into the, they could speak to all the items. Material, I mean, I just don't see the need and I don't see the need for an alternate or running that on a limited time committee. And frankly, we do have some issues with some people that might be in attrition, but so much of that lifting was done early in that group. So I'm not supportive of either one of those. |
| 02:57:46.06 | Unknown | Yeah, I would agree with that. I think the more I've thought about it, the more that what was striking me as we interviewed this parade of unbelievable people that many or most of whom I have never met before, have never seen at a meeting, I was really struck by the fact that they hadn't been involved at all and really wanted to be engaged in this dialogue. And so I think that both, well, everyone that's spoken has really put the nail, whatever, it's too late to come up with a good analogy, but Um... No, no, not the nail on the coffin. We want an analogy of aspirational and forward thinkingness. I really think the main issue, as Ray and Joe and others have said, is that. The for whatever reason, the GPAC right now is not attracting public notice. And involvement and listening, active listening, involvement, engagement. And that that really has to change because otherwise we're going to get some great product that no one agrees with and or the shock of it. No one's aware of it. No one is aware of it and the shock of how far you've all gotten in your discussion is, you know, the community is left behind. |
| 02:58:58.89 | Unknown | And no one's a little bit. |
| 02:58:59.52 | Unknown | I'm not aware of it. |
| 02:58:59.91 | Unknown | No. |
| 02:59:05.86 | Unknown | So I think, in thinking about this and hearing from members of the committee and just what kind of prompted my initial reaction. I think the focus on more engagement and creative engagement, and especially the people that applied who are so qualified, to get involved in the process just as members of the public is really the best approach so i'm i'm would agree with Council member with you that we should approve the cleanup and not approve, well, I think that we should not approve the increase in the size. But encourage all applicants to |
| 02:59:36.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:59:36.69 | Jill Hoffman | I don't know. |
| 02:59:40.29 | Jill Hoffman | and make that. Yeah, I think we should all add the names of all of the applicants to our mailing list for our GPAC notices. because some of them, you know, there was one, Two people who had great insights and participation in the Marineship that I would really love to hear more from. |
| 02:59:58.26 | Unknown | Bye. Yeah. |
| 03:00:00.22 | Jill Hoffman | And then there was someone who's all about sustainability and so I think there really are some resources that we can avail ourselves of. I think when we, perhaps when we hear this item at our next meeting, the update and the revised working plan, perhaps we could include in the agenda, consideration of another mailer or postcard or something to our residents, letting them know that this process is ongoing and encouraging them to participate. |
| 03:00:28.80 | Unknown | Yeah, and maybe we could even use Abbott's skills. Maybe our city manager could talk to him about some Facebook, social media presence. you know, to keep it active and So, |
| 03:00:46.98 | Jill Hoffman | And to publicize the topics that we're going to be confronting each week. And I'm grateful to the mayor for writing to the boards and commissions to encourage their involvement. |
| 03:00:47.84 | Unknown | the topics that we're Right. |
| 03:00:56.12 | Jill Hoffman | in the process. |
| 03:00:58.66 | Mayor Burns | All right, good. So we have a motion on the one item. |
| 03:01:02.05 | Jill Hoffman | I move we adopt a resolution changing the council designated representation on the general plan advisory committee. |
| 03:01:13.15 | Unknown | back at. So without the size? |
| 03:01:15.43 | Jill Hoffman | Without the, and removing the option to increase the size of the general plan advisory committee. |
| 03:01:21.08 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. |
| 03:01:21.81 | Jill Hoffman | Draft resolution. |
| 03:01:22.77 | Unknown | If I may, I appreciate that direction, and just to be abundantly clear, we're going to actually delete the last recital. I don't have one. |
| 03:01:29.98 | Jill Hoffman | THE CITY OF THE CITY OF THE |
| 03:01:30.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:01:30.36 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:01:30.51 | Unknown | THE REASONS. |
| 03:01:30.97 | Jill Hoffman | in front of me. |
| 03:01:31.80 | Unknown | Okay, I do, and I'm clear on your direction. So we're going to revise the first section of it to just eliminate the change in the number of members and leave. |
| 03:01:41.75 | Jill Hoffman | Well, we have to remove the last whereas clause as well. |
| 03:01:44.57 | Unknown | Yeah, as I just indicated, my suggestion is you remove the last recital and that you amend section one. Okay, I was not trying to draft from the dais, but okay. Sir, I just want to make sure we're very clear on the direction, so thank you for that. |
| 03:01:54.93 | Jill Hoffman | I was not trying to drive. |
| 03:02:03.24 | Mayor Burns | So, Do we need to remove that? It just says it gives us the option to increase the size. |
| 03:02:09.09 | Jill Hoffman | But you're not doing that tonight. I think we've decided tonight we're not going to increase the size. |
| 03:02:09.97 | Mayor Burns | THE CITY. |
| 03:02:13.93 | Mayor Burns | We're not. We're going to. Thank you. |
| 03:02:15.72 | Jill Hoffman | We're gonna delete the list. |
| 03:02:15.74 | Mayor Burns | So we're gonna delete the... |
| 03:02:16.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:17.04 | Jill Hoffman | So the last whereas clause would say, whereas on March 26 on March |
| 03:02:25.90 | Unknown | can decide to go. |
| 03:02:26.49 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:02:26.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:02:26.62 | Jill Hoffman | today. |
| 03:02:28.16 | Unknown | I would just delete it. I don't think you need it. |
| 03:02:29.36 | Jill Hoffman | No, no, but the last says to include representation on the committee of two council members as appointed by the mayor. |
| 03:02:36.36 | Unknown | Right, but you have that in section one. to let So section one's revised. |
| 03:02:42.98 | Jill Hoffman | Can we not wordsmith this from the dice? Are you clear on our direction? I understand your direction. Okay. Thank you. All right. So. |
| 03:02:46.59 | Unknown | I understand your direction. |
| 03:02:49.56 | Jill Hoffman | My motion to adopt a resolution of the city council amending um, Thank you. |
| 03:02:59.61 | Lili | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:03:01.17 | Jill Hoffman | The council designated representation on the committee and not giving council the option to increase the size of the committee. As needed. As needed, stands. |
| 03:03:09.96 | Mayor Burns | As needed. |
| 03:03:13.49 | Michael Rex | second. |
| 03:03:15.09 | Mayor Burns | discussion. Oh, I'm just saying I wouldn't take away that option. It's as needed. It's pretty clear that we don't, the amendment can, the resolution can go as is, and it doesn't change the number. But if you want to come back and do it again, we can do it again. |
| 03:03:16.44 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. Thank you. . I'm just saying I wouldn't |
| 03:03:29.15 | Jill Hoffman | I'd like us to do it again if we want to. |
| 03:03:32.91 | Mayor Burns | Let me ask one question. When we do that, are you confused? When we do that, then I reappoint the two because based on that one, then I would then appoint the two committee members. THE FAMILY. |
| 03:03:43.24 | Jill Hoffman | Correct. |
| 03:03:43.49 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:03:45.53 | Jill Hoffman | which is why this is on your committee. We have this as an item on appointments later in the agenda, I believe. |
| 03:03:55.27 | Mayor Burns | I thought it was for the people that we interviewed. So there's a. |
| 03:03:59.94 | Jill Hoffman | So there's a. Thank you. |
| 03:04:01.11 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:04:01.12 | Jill Hoffman | May I call the question? |
| 03:04:06.95 | Mayor Burns | Yeah. Go ahead. |
| 03:04:10.17 | Jill Hoffman | I'm asking that you call a question. I'm asking, so you have to say all in favor. |
| 03:04:12.43 | Unknown | So you have to say all in, yeah. |
| 03:04:14.51 | Mayor Burns | All in favor? Aye. |
| 03:04:14.98 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:04:15.00 | Jill Hoffman | All in favor? |
| 03:04:15.75 | Unknown | I. |
| 03:04:16.02 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 03:04:16.09 | Unknown | Bye. Thank you. |
| 03:04:21.24 | Mayor Burns | So we'll see this next month again. We'll see that was on April 30 0. |
| 03:04:24.36 | Unknown | We'll see this on April 30. |
| 03:04:25.90 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:04:25.91 | Guy Kelly | Thank you. |
| 03:04:27.99 | Mayor Burns | City manager report. |
| 03:04:34.20 | Adam Politzer | Yes, the city manager's report was all the items that you heard previously, so I have nothing to add, but happy to answer any questions from the council. |
| 03:04:35.19 | Jill Hoffman | to. |
| 03:04:42.26 | Jill Hoffman | you want to take public comment on the last. |
| 03:04:45.05 | Mayor Burns | Is there any public comment on items 8E through 8? Thank you, Peter. |
| 03:04:47.43 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you, Peter. |
| 03:04:49.37 | Mayor Burns | 8B through 8E. Public comment on the city manager report appointments to boards and commissions. Seeing none. City manager. Report is done. Nothing else? Appointments to boards, commissions, and committees. |
| 03:05:10.48 | Mayor Burns | First off, I am going to appoint myself to the disaster prep and Safety Committee and remove Council Member Joan Cox. |
| 03:05:27.07 | Jill Hoffman | as the liaison. |
| 03:05:28.77 | Mayor Burns | That's the liaison. |
| 03:05:34.09 | Mayor Burns | Next up we have the appointment to the planning commission. |
| 03:05:38.65 | Unknown | Yeah, last time I had to read the staff report. |
| 03:05:45.01 | Jill Hoffman | So there's one. |
| 03:05:50.15 | Mayor Burns | Lori Freed has resigned and we've interviewed the following applicants. Andrew Sullivan, John Gavin, Stephen Sanders, Ryan Woodring, Chris Reynolds, Elizabeth Cooksey, |
| 03:06:04.38 | Jill Hoffman | And Christina. |
| 03:06:04.87 | Mayor Burns | And Christina Felder. Christina Felder and We did, and Andrew has, Andrew Solomon's withdrawn. |
| 03:06:12.51 | Jill Hoffman | We don't. |
| 03:06:16.28 | Mayor Burns | Based on the pool available, council has the opportunity. The mayor announced its nomination. I nominate Christina Feller. for planning commission. Are there any other nominations? Any nominations? |
| 03:06:35.82 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF I nominate Chris Reynolds. |
| 03:06:39.02 | Mayor Burns | We have Chris Reynolds and Christina. Feller. |
| 03:06:47.31 | Mayor Burns | I said that public comment, but we're not doing this, right? I'm not sure. Any others? Any seconds? |
| 03:06:57.53 | Unknown | I second Christina Feller. |
| 03:06:57.55 | Mayor Burns | I second Christina Feller. |
| 03:07:00.88 | Unknown | So at this point, Mr. Mayor, each council member chooses from this slate. |
| 03:07:04.42 | Mayor Burns | Okay, so let's vote. Can you call the roll call search? |
| 03:07:10.14 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Councilmember Cox. |
| 03:07:11.32 | Unknown | Chris Reynolds. |
| 03:07:13.50 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 03:07:15.10 | Unknown | Christina Feller. |
| 03:07:17.06 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Council Member Withey. Thank you. |
| 03:07:18.36 | Michael Rex | Christina Feller. |
| 03:07:20.11 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:07:20.84 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles. |
| 03:07:22.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:07:22.53 | Unknown | Cristina. |
| 03:07:24.35 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Thank you. |
| 03:07:24.38 | Mayor Burns | Mary Burns. Christina Feller. And I will say that that was extremely difficult. We had really, really great candidates and you see right there that those two were exceptional as they all were. |
| 03:07:40.13 | Unknown | 100% agree. |
| 03:07:41.38 | Mayor Burns | Yeah. |
| 03:07:43.87 | Unknown | about we. |
| 03:07:45.04 | Mayor Burns | We do have the decision to expand the the community safety disaster preparedness first we want to vote on alternate moving Sandra Bushmaker from alternate to full member and appoint a new alternate or appoint a new alternate |
| 03:07:52.65 | Unknown | you. |
| 03:08:04.46 | Mayor Burns | or direct staff to continue recruiting so i have a motion for the first portion |
| 03:08:10.15 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, we move Sandra Bushmaker from an alternate to a regular member of the Disaster Preparedness and Community Safety Committee. |
| 03:08:20.07 | Mayor Burns | All in favor? Aye. Aye. |
| 03:08:20.97 | Jill Hoffman | I. |
| 03:08:22.52 | Mayor Burns | Moving Sandra to full term is 5-0. |
| 03:08:25.84 | Jill Hoffman | And I was so impressed with the person that we... interviewed tonight, I mean, may we appoint tonight or do we need to interview more applicants? |
| 03:08:35.29 | Mayor Burns | We'd be appointing to a alternate, or we get some more and appoint alternate and there's request to expand by two. |
| 03:08:37.79 | Jill Hoffman | alternate. |
| 03:08:46.16 | Mayor Burns | So do we want to wait till we get three? |
| 03:08:48.22 | Jill Hoffman | Well, I'd like to get this other person on board, because there were three people out of town at the last meeting, I believe. So it might be helpful to get someone on board now. I just thought she was very qualified. |
| 03:09:02.73 | Mayor Burns | You want to do that as an alternate and make that motion? |
| 03:09:04.13 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:09:04.28 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:09:04.67 | Jill Hoffman | I guess I should nominate. |
| 03:09:06.11 | Mayor Burns | I guess I should nominate as an alternate Amy to the Disaster Preparedness Committee. Any other nominations? |
| 03:09:16.26 | Unknown | Any other nominations? Yeah, I actually would, I unfortunately was still at work during that interview, but I really was impressed by Jane Kendall, who we interviewed, who had extensive experience in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. And she expressed her interest in joining. We interviewed her for the GPAC. |
| 03:09:17.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:33.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:09:38.27 | Unknown | So I would nominate her. |
| 03:09:46.37 | Mayor Burns | Any other nominations? Serge, please call. |
| 03:09:49.49 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Councilmember Cox. |
| 03:09:50.86 | Jill Hoffman | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:09:51.03 | Unknown | Jamie Cromosta. |
| 03:09:52.85 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 03:09:55.68 | Unknown | Amy Cromosta. |
| 03:09:58.91 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Council member Withy. Amy Cromosa. Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles. |
| 03:10:05.34 | Unknown | I'm in the minority, so I will vote for Amy. |
| 03:10:08.17 | City Clerk (or similar role) | That's right. |
| 03:10:08.49 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:10:08.51 | City Clerk (or similar role) | Thank you. |
| 03:10:08.83 | Unknown | Now see, that's why I did that. |
| 03:10:11.97 | Jill Hoffman | always get called first, so I don't know. |
| 03:10:12.90 | Mayor Burns | Mayor Burns. Amy Cromosta. THE CITY. |
| 03:10:16.27 | Jill Hoffman | is twice I've had to say in the minority more and but to agree Jane was a I do fantastic |
| 03:10:16.95 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:10:17.96 | Mayor Burns | We're going to get a couple more. Fantastic. I do agree. We'll have this on the agenda for next week. |
| 03:10:23.95 | Jill Hoffman | We'll have the opportunity to consider her application again |
| 03:10:27.33 | Mayor Burns | That's what I was going to say. |
| 03:10:28.08 | Jill Hoffman | if we increase the number of members on this committee. |
| 03:10:31.21 | Mayor Burns | General plan advisory committee we are not appointing two from the public and we are not changing. I'm not appointing two new council members. future agenda items. Any future agenda items that we have not discussed? |
| 03:10:44.03 | Jill Hoffman | I would like to consider an update from regarding the theater. I heard that a tenant has been identified to But I haven't confirmed that rumor, so I would be interested in hearing an update. |
| 03:10:58.43 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, and I think rumors and negotiations are always kind of a thing. You don't really want to go public with negotiations just like we don't, so. |
| 03:11:05.26 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:11:07.56 | Mayor Burns | These are two businesses. |
| 03:11:07.99 | Jill Hoffman | I would just list it as a future agenda item and when it's appropriate, I would appreciate an update. |
| 03:11:13.33 | Mayor Burns | And that is. |
| 03:11:17.21 | Unknown | So I have a future agenda item I'd like to request. something that we've talked about during our labor and union negotiations that we've been talking about in closed session. Now we're moving, I think, toward more open session discussions about the, I think, coming up, we have to in the next, in May? We have to, right? Because we have to be done by the end of June. So at some point, we had talked about doing, I don't want to call it a workshop, but some kind of more public background foundation of what's involved in negotiating, what is involved with an MOU, and specifically, we just got the CAFR, All right. I always use that, but the comprehensive annual financial report. And so I think that also has to be part of the discussion to look at what's within the realm of possible when you're talking about union negotiations. So And I discuss this with you, Mr. Mayor, talking about what points I thought we should, That should be part of that discussion in a presentation from the staff about the scope of what we're talking about with an MOU. Because it's a very complicated to me thing. So I would propose and one, I'm proposing this and I would expect we might have some discussion on it maybe, Maybe, we're going to talk about the CAFR on April 30th. So we're going to have a presentation by the staff. Yes, on the 30th. |
| 03:12:56.08 | Adam Politzer | I don't know. |
| 03:12:56.15 | Mayor Burns | I mean, |
| 03:12:56.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:12:56.60 | Adam Politzer | Clarify your clarity. Sorry. |
| 03:12:56.77 | Mayor Burns | CLARIFY. |
| 03:12:57.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:12:57.17 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:12:59.03 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. Thank you. clarification we're going to have a mid-year budget discussion but we can respond to questions related to the CAFRA so The CAFR is just a report, but there may be information in the CAFR that you have questions on that we can speak to related to the mid year budget. |
| 03:13:06.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:13:06.56 | Unknown | Oh, okay. |
| 03:13:12.77 | Unknown | So this may be too much then for May 30th, but I was thinking that instead of doing Instead of trying to schedule a separate day for this kind of presentation or workshop or whatever you want to call it, that we would just start early instead of doing. we would not do close session we would not do interviews but we would come in early for people that are interested the people members of the public that are interested in this subject can come early to city council meeting for maybe an hour and a half or an hour this is the background this is what the mou is this is a staff this is you know these are the considerations that you take into account um And then back to the CAFR, this is our net position, this is our budget. And then we will also have had our mid-year budget review. That's what I would, that's a parameter of what. |
| 03:13:55.38 | Mayor Burns | That's a parameter. You're going to ask us to send that to agenda setting committee? |
| 03:13:57.98 | Unknown | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 03:13:59.02 | Mayor Burns | Yeah. OK, great. |
| 03:13:59.78 | Unknown | Yeah, it was fine. |
| 03:14:00.39 | Mayor Burns | Thank you. |
| 03:14:01.01 | Unknown | Do you want me to send you my notes on that? |
| 03:14:02.63 | Mayor Burns | Yeah, and then we'll talk about with staff on what we designate between negotiation and- Yeah, sure. In closed session. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. And what we bring in open session. |
| 03:14:08.15 | Unknown | Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm just talking about open session kind of stuff. |
| 03:14:14.72 | Mayor Burns | Anything else? |
| 03:14:19.71 | Unknown | So I just, I have a different memory of our agreement. I thought we had our open session presentation on the basics of labor negotiations and that we were going to have a working group closed session at some point. when we had actual proposals to consider, that we would have you know, that we would have a longer meeting on a different day. I hear what you were asking for. |
| 03:14:52.15 | Unknown | OK. Thank you. |
| 03:14:52.82 | Mayor Burns | And we have had the open. |
| 03:14:52.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:14:52.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:14:54.41 | Mayor Burns | discussion on the January 8th and it went really quickly and we can do that. Yeah. |
| 03:14:58.69 | Unknown | Yeah. I mean, it was. |
| 03:14:59.69 | Mayor Burns | There was also a wonderful video of September that Ray brought up that does explain just about everything you touched on, the purpose, the MOU. September of 2014, right? |
| 03:15:01.26 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:15:07.52 | Unknown | The purpose, the MOC. |
| 03:15:12.11 | Unknown | Yeah, well, okay, yeah, I'm talking about in the context of this negotiation. |
| 03:15:13.05 | Mayor Burns | OK. Well, it's the same process, it's just different numbers. |
| 03:15:18.28 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:15:19.42 | Mayor Burns | which we're not going to disclose openly. |
| 03:15:21.14 | Unknown | No, no, but the different numbers with regard to our net position in the comprehensive financial review. |
| 03:15:23.67 | Mayor Burns | Okay. |
| 03:15:27.25 | Mayor Burns | Well, that's a separate discussion as well, that we'll have an open session. And we're not going to talk about negotiations during that discussion either. |
| 03:15:27.53 | Unknown | I'm sorry. we'll have an open session and we're not going |
| 03:15:33.27 | Unknown | Right, not the specific negotiations, but how the MOU, how the budget, sorry, how the |
| 03:15:33.62 | Mayor Burns | Okay. |
| 03:15:42.79 | Unknown | the negotiation, I'm sorry, the terms of the agreement in the MOU, how they affect our financial situation, our financial, you know. |
| 03:15:53.65 | Mayor Burns | Thanks we're in a loop. |
| 03:15:57.59 | Mayor Burns | Anything else? |
| 03:15:59.48 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:16:01.74 | Mayor Burns | Any other reports of significance? Seeing none tonight, we are going to adjourn in the memory of Lou Wilkinson. Cheers to Lou. |
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