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| 00:00:00.17 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 00:00:02.27 | Unknown | Thank you. He can be glad just to be sad. thinking of you. Some of those I've seen. Might never be mean. Might never be cross or try to be boss, but they wouldn't do. For nobody else gave me a thrill. With all your faults, I love you still. It had to be you. Wonderful. Have to be you. Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:01:10.94 | Unknown | Some others I've seen |
| 00:01:19.43 | Unknown | manufactured, all sorts of stuff. |
| 00:01:21.18 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:01:21.25 | Unknown | All sorts of stuff. |
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| 00:01:29.30 | Unknown | I'm a good one. |
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| 00:01:34.43 | Unknown | Good. |
| 00:01:34.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
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| 00:01:36.27 | Unknown | Too late. |
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| 00:01:40.61 | Unknown | All right, then we're going to go ahead and call this meeting to order. Can I get a roll call? Please search. |
| 00:01:47.41 | Unknown | Councilmember Cox. |
| 00:01:48.84 | Unknown | here. |
| 00:01:50.12 | Unknown | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 00:01:51.47 | Unknown | Here. |
| 00:01:52.49 | Unknown | Council member Withey? Here. Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:01:56.23 | Susan | I'm not sure. |
| 00:01:56.86 | Unknown | Mayor Burns. |
| 00:01:57.92 | Unknown | Here. The council will be going into closed session to discuss items D1 and D2. D1, conference with labor negotiations. D2, conference with real property negotiator. I'm going to open up for public comment on closed session item. I have one. |
| 00:02:15.30 | Joan | Yes, may I announce that I will be recusing myself from item D2 because I live in close proximity to the property that is the subject of that negotiation. |
| 00:02:16.03 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:02:26.00 | Unknown | Great. Thank you, Joan. |
| 00:02:30.64 | Unknown | Public comment, Tula. Thank you. |
| 00:02:35.80 | Dula Biederman | We'll use the microphone. Hello, my name is Dula Biederman, I'm library assistant 2 for the Sausalito Public Library. I started working for the city part time two and a half years ago, and I've been full time for a year and a half. I'm one of the seven stewards who represent city employees with the support of SCIU 1021 as we go into these new MOU negotiations. I just wanted to introduce myself now to at least put one face to the employee bargaining unit as you consider our proposals for our new contract. As public servants for the city of Sausalito, we work hard every day to help the city strengthen and grow. We strive to provide the best customer service experience possible for every member of the public we interact with. Whether they live here, work here, or are just visiting. Each of us as individuals and as part of a broader team are dedicated to helping Sausalito thrive. We commute from as far as Oakland, Vallejo, and Forestville to contribute to this vibrant community. We believe that supporting city employees can only improve the level of service that our local government is able to provide. Thank you for your time and we look forward to hearing your responses to our proposals. |
| 00:03:39.00 | Unknown | Thank you, Tula. Any other public comment? Any other public comment on items D1, D2? Seeing none, we'll close public comment, and the city council will adjourn to closed session. See you at 7. |
| 00:03:51.98 | Unknown | Once you start you I'm just crazy about myself. It's so sweet for me, so swell for me. To know that you're going through hell for me. But no matter however appealing, I still have a feeling it's bad for me. |
| 00:04:26.71 | Unknown | I know you'd like to have me. Talk about my future. And a million words are so to fill you in about my past. you Have I sisters? Are a brother? When's my birthday? How's my mother? Well, my dear, in time I'll answer all those things. ask. it far now. I'll just say. I love you. Nothing more. It seems important. Somehow. |
| 00:05:09.01 | Unknown | And tomorrow can wait. Whatever |
| 00:05:17.01 | Unknown | Let me love you forever. right now. right now. |
| 00:05:30.17 | Unknown | Some fine day when we go walking. We'll take time for idle talking. Sharing every feeling as we watch each other smile. I'll hold your hand. I am. say things we never had planned. And we'll get to know each other Why? But for now... Let me say I love it. |
| 00:06:02.07 | Unknown | Later on. Time for so much more. Thank you. you you |
| 00:06:13.52 | Unknown | . Forever. Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.48 | Unknown | I'm okay. |
| 00:06:17.63 | Unknown | Kisi. DARK. |
| 00:06:46.08 | Unknown | But for now Which item? |
| 00:06:48.44 | Unknown | Which item? |
| 00:06:50.08 | Unknown | I know. |
| 00:06:51.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:54.21 | Unknown | I must know much more I love you. But for now... Here and now. How I love you. As you are. Thank you. Fire, fire, fire. How? |
| 00:07:28.89 | Unknown | Hi, this is Matt Stolling, and you're listening to Radio Sopper. All right. We are getting, oh, there's Joan. |
| 00:07:32.13 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:07:36.26 | Unknown | Sorry, Joan, we forgot to come and get you after |
| 00:07:39.00 | Unknown | Thank you. Just in time. |
| 00:07:43.65 | Unknown | Are we good? Are we on? |
| 00:07:45.04 | Unknown | It's not. Before you came My time was running |
| 00:07:57.04 | Unknown | I was lost. |
| 00:07:57.17 | Unknown | Oh. |
| 00:07:59.57 | Unknown | The losing dice were tossed. Only empty days. |
| 00:08:05.42 | Unknown | All right, welcome to the Tuesday, May 28th City Council meeting. We are going to get started here and announce that we are having a Pledge of Allegiance and I would like Kim Huff to lead us in that Pledge of Allegiance. I see you back there, you cannot hide. |
| 00:08:24.96 | Unknown | you |
| 00:08:27.58 | Kim Huff | I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:08:29.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:34.31 | Unknown | Amen. one nation, under you Thank you. |
| 00:08:43.80 | Unknown | We are coming out of a closed session meeting, which started at 630. We had two items on our closed session that are on the agenda. There are no closed session announcements. So we're up to approval of this agenda. Now I have one correction to the agenda, then a couple comments. One correction is, and request, We did before closed session and yeah. And as practice, we're now just taking roll once. |
| 00:09:13.28 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:09:18.21 | Unknown | It's not an agenda. 7B of public hearings, wireless telecommunications facility standards and criteria update. That is a very specific issue worked in depth with a planner who is not here, who is very ill and could not be here tonight. Instead of having that issue done partially or incomplete or miss any steps on such a complex issue, I'm asking that we continue that item to a date specific, which is June 11th. So we'll be moving telecommunications to June 11th. If no. |
| 00:09:59.51 | Joan | Move approval as amended. |
| 00:10:02.28 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. Nays, that passes four zero. Five zero, five, I got five. |
| 00:10:03.06 | Joan | I |
| 00:10:08.21 | Unknown | And then on, I'm going to just announce now on item I should know these by heart. On item 6B, we're going to hear from our Yulia Carter, Assistant City Manager on budget items. And on that budget item, I understand based on some public comment we received via emails, that there may be communication on trees related to the MLK athletic fields. Just those trees. In that regard, because Council Member Joan Cox lives in adjacent area and recuses herself from MLK athletic field discussions. We will bifurcate that one discussion at the end of that overall item. So if you have any other comments about any other trees in the city of Sausalito or any parks or anything else, we'll talk about those at the beginning throughout that item. At the end of that item, we will have a special moment for public comment and council comments just on MLK Athletic Field Trees. Is that good? Thank you. |
| 00:11:17.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:20.87 | Unknown | Is there any other comments on the agenda? and we've got an approval on the agenda. Special presentation, mayor announcements. I have no special presentations, anything? Seeing none, we're now opening it up to public communications. This is for items that are not on tonight's agenda, which again includes the items you saw in the sixes. CIP and all those. So if you have an item that's not on tonight's agenda and you'd like to speak, please come on up. You can grab a green card. Not yet, Jeff, I have two cards already. I have Lisa Mulberry and Gail Wood, I knew that. Can you see? It's good writing, I just didn't read it right. Yes, and if you are here for telecommunications, that is now officially off the agenda. You could speak to that as well. Thank you. So Lisa first, then Gail. Lisa, are you here? Come on up, Lisa. You can come to the podium here. You have three minutes. Thank you. |
| 00:12:16.74 | Lisa | Thank you. So my name is Lisa and I live up on 63 Crescent. I've met some of you guys before. And the reason why I'm here is because the parking situation on our street is completely heinous. And we've tried several times to remedy the situation ourselves. We put barriers up ourselves. We put signs up. and we just got temporary permits to be able to park on Main Street, |
| 00:12:38.82 | Lisa Chilino | I know. |
| 00:12:39.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:12:40.92 | Lisa | but it's still not solving the issue. because there just isn't enough parking. There is during the daytime when there's people at work but during the night, like right now, I thought about Ubering here because I didn't think I was gonna get a parking space when I got home. And it's not that I don't want to walk all the way from West or from third or fourth. It's just that I shouldn't have to. |
| 00:13:01.68 | Unknown | Into the mic, please. |
| 00:13:02.39 | Lisa | so i'm just trying to figure out how we can come up with a solution for the parking and there's also people that park there for indefinite amounts of time. I think there should be a handicap spot because my across the street neighbor can't walk. And I just feel like we need to come up with some sort of solution instead of parking wars. Cool. |
| 00:13:22.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:13:22.34 | Unknown | into the... Right. Thank you. |
| 00:13:28.53 | Lisa | Is that it? |
| 00:13:29.00 | Unknown | Thank you. Is that it? Okay, good. So thank you for that, Lisa. That is really close to our agenda item of the discussion on the debris field because it's adjacent, but it's not that discussion. So thank you for your comments, Lisa. We have kind of separated that as a different item going on right now with the parking in that area. Staff has been working on an issue, and we'll get back to you on that if you haven't otherwise, which you haven't. So staff will be getting back to you. |
| 00:13:29.93 | Lisa | it. |
| 00:13:53.42 | Unknown | Thank you. Are there any other comments on items not on the agenda? I have two more. Next up is Gail. |
| 00:14:02.28 | Gail | I thank you. I live at 18 Glen Drive behind number 20, and it's Lower Glen Drive, and there's a medium strip between Upper Glen and Lower Glen. And every year, at least once a year, Sausalito used to trim the trees and the hedges and keep it clean. Nice, and I worked with some people about taking all this ivy out because animals live in this ivy and it's going up the telephone pole again and into the wires. And they gave me a drawing. Also, there's no barrier on the Upper Glen side anymore. It's all rotten. It's falling apart. So I worked with the city about getting this corrected. And I found my drawing, and I've called many times, and no one comes, nobody ever comes to trim the trees or trim the hedges or do anything anymore. I found this drawing, and guess what the date is? 2009, 10 years ago. And I worked with a gentleman who said it was going to happen in two weeks, and then he left. the city. And I've called Jonathan about it. never calls me back. And now it's getting serious because One of the. the people who lives on Upper Glen hired someone to trim the trees, I guess, for her view. And the trimmer evidently wasn't very good. I don't know who it was, but a branch fell down and broke my neighbor's windshield. I mean, it's not a safe place. They're dead. Trees hanging over the little one block, one way street that I live on. And it's it's out of hand. It's out of hand. It's. And I try to have my gardener, trim in front of my house But the ivy is just rampant. It's taken over all the... The bushes, I don't even know what kind of bushes there are anymore because it's all ivy. And it's dangerous. And they never fixed... the... the metal Barriers, there's no barrier between upper Glen and lower Glen now. So somebody could just. drive over and hit our cars. See? |
| 00:16:43.01 | Unknown | Can you give us a copy of that to the city clerk? Thank you, Gail. |
| 00:16:44.63 | Gail | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:16:48.28 | Unknown | And we'll follow up. Appreciate your time. |
| 00:16:54.83 | Unknown | Thank you for that. Gary Testa. And then Steven Woodside and then Jeff Jacobs. |
| 00:17:04.66 | Gary Testa | So good evening and thank you. I'm an employer here in Sausalito. I'm not a resident. Currently we moved in about six months ago. I run a company called Engineered Fluids. I think you might have heard from one of my colleagues. So we're a chemical manufacturer and a systems manufacturer, and our chemical is biodegradable, non-toxic, and it's used to cool all manner of electronics, electric vehicles. Our solution basically cuts power use and carbon by almost 60% out of data centers and all type of electronics. So we've located here in Sausalito because we're big fans of the water, we love the community, but we've run into a particular situation where your industrial organization and situation down in the marineship area has really being encroached on them. You know, we set up shop there because we needed the power, we needed the industrial space in order to run the systems that we do, and we do make noise with fans and things. And what's basically happened is, is that because almost all the space around us is basically being turned into office space and doctors and artists and things, a lot of people don't realize that they live in an industrial zone. So we've got a lot of folks that come over and complain. The city has been to inspect the facility a number of times. We're in full compliance. And frankly, we'd like to employ more people and move here, but we literally can't find space to do that, even though we're in a zoned industrial space. So today our company generates about $5 million we're expected to do over 65 million and i need to hire 120 people but it's very difficult to stay in sausalito and i i wanted to bring this to your attention because i think we represent all the things that are good about sausalito we're basically going to save this country from our own power use the The product that we manufacture is totally safe and biodegradable. The systems that we do, whether they're in electric vehicles and things. In addition, we are heavily used in marine applications, which obviously is a historical point for the marineship area. And, My only comment is that if you have a tremendous opportunity, and I think one that is greatly misunderstood, the marineship area today has a lot of very small, high-tech manufacturing companies like ourselves. And frankly, we are constantly under barrage from people who live in an industrial zone and have no knowledge of that. And if you want to get rid of us, then you'll continue to allow people to convert what is industrial space warehouse in your own plan into residential areas. You'll allow them to continue to believe that they have the right. to convert these into doctor's offices and other space that has quiet space requirements. or you can support what frankly is a flourishing, very small high tech space. And I would ask you to consider that because we would very much like to stay And we'd like to employ local people and be here. But we can't do that without your support. Thank you. |
| 00:20:08.63 | Unknown | Great, thank you. Steven Woodside. |
| 00:20:15.52 | Steven Woodside | hi my name is Steven Woodcott I'm a Sausalito resident and I've been for many years involved with actually in light of the last speaker a project |
| 00:20:15.57 | Unknown | Hi, my name is Steven Woodside. |
| 00:20:17.34 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:20:23.86 | Steven Woodside | in the Marin ship area it's the construction of the Matthew Turner Turner which many of you know is almost ready for certification by the Coast Guard it's getting very close and I'm here to thank you and members of your staff for all of the cooperation and support that you have shown individually and collectively that enabled us to continue an operation which involved I'm gonna say about 600 volunteers, many Sausalito residents, building a sustainably harvested wooden tall ship, 132 feet long, brigantine, modeled after the Galilee, which was Matthew Turner's record setting and it's gonna be on the water this summer for the purpose of educating children primarily, and also adults in ocean literacy and other things. So as a token of our appreciation, I have 10 tickets to our upcoming gala. I'll give them with the clerk, and I know you have processes for how you deal with such things, but on June 8th, we are doing our annual fundraising event at the Bay Model, and I just want to encourage anyone listening that it's a wonderful event in and of itself with food provided mostly by local merchants and others so again thank you all for your support for the staff support and I'll hand this to the clerk |
| 00:21:48.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you, Steven. Sure. Appreciate your work on that. We want to witness this handoff, so it's all, okay. It's in the hand of the city clerk, thank you. Thanks for your work, Steve. |
| 00:21:50.46 | Steven Woodside | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:21:59.98 | Unknown | Jeff Jacobs. |
| 00:22:14.51 | Unknown | Go ahead, you have your clocks running. |
| 00:22:17.31 | Jeff Jacobs | Would you like the good news or the bad news first, Mr. Mayor? |
| 00:22:23.37 | Unknown | We'll let you go. It's your time. |
| 00:22:25.74 | Jeff Jacobs | Okay. Well, I'll give you the good news first. I'm only gonna speak once tonight. |
| 00:22:33.69 | Unknown | We'll go with the good news. |
| 00:22:35.41 | Jeff Jacobs | Now the news that is also good. In a different way. And this is called Teach. to impeach. I know there's a lot of people here. From Sausalito Parks, if we look now at what happened to Dunphy Park on its way to becoming Dunphy Parking Lot, 63 of 66 trees gone, avocados cannot reproduce if there are not two trees. That the anchor outs have been slandered. by government officials, by marina owners, by newspapers, magazines, And the television. What do we do? What can we do? |
| 00:23:25.19 | Jeff Jacobs | Well, I've talked to Ms. Jill James Hoffman, a number of times. about her lack of filling out a required financial form number 700. She was required to fill out all of her assets with a few exceptions and she put none. She's the business owner of Quark Z Wine Company. Even now, Ms. Hoffman. You can disclose that business that you own as required. If you do not. and you are sued. We have a lawsuit now that's been filed Against Schoonmakers Marina and Mike Rainey, the summons was served today. then there is an enforcement. The enforcement is, the full value of your wine company. if you do not disclose this, all you have to do is call them up and write down, I am the president of Quark Z Wine Company. If you do not. It's also a misdemeanor. You're also subject to investigation by the DAs. So we do not just wait in defense for our boats to be attacked. For 45 of the 70 boats on the Sausalito side to be taken away, including classic wooden boats. that gave their owners as much joy as the Matthew Turner gave to me when I helped build that. So we fight back. |
| 00:25:07.47 | Unknown | Thank you, Jeff. Thank you. Is there any other public comment? |
| 00:25:08.29 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 00:25:09.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Any other discussion on items not on the agenda? Okay, I haven't got it yet, Ellen. Go ahead and come on up. Not on the agenda, correct? Okay, good. |
| 00:25:36.92 | Unknown | with. what information, just as there is pictures of it. Yeah, we'll start with it. Okay. Yeah. |
| 00:25:52.08 | Unknown | I can just hit here. OK, thank you. All right, I'm going to tell them. Thank you for the time tonight. I appreciate being here. I want to also thank the city, city council, and all of the departments that have been very, very helpful in supporting the building of Matthew Turner. In particular, I want to speak a little bit about Well, we're hauled out at this time. Let me, yeah, there we are. at Bayside Boatworks, which is one of the only places in the Bay that we could do this. The good thing about it is that we can help work on the ship. It's probably half the cost of any place else we could do this. and the value that Bayside and that whole waterfront there offers to the community, not only to us, but to all the other boats, A couple thousand boats here in Zarsoito. and The other thing I wanted to bring up is that Let me hit this again. There we go. How much help we've got from the different kind of businesses here during the time of our building? you know, All the things that we need, there's small businesses that have helped us out in making things. There's been folks who know how to work on boats. We've had all the different areas. that have made it possible is because of the very strong maritime, uh, you know, tradition we have here and all the small businesses. So I really want to make sure that you understand that we couldn't have built this boat without it. And so I really hope you support these small businesses and the great diversity we have in Sassouito and not to just think about you know, a landowner is making money, who are we as a, Thank you. as a city, as a community, and it's far deeper than just that. And I think many people don't understand that. They haven't been down on that waterfront, haven't looked at some of those businesses. They haven't really paid attention. You know, I know we're all wrapped up about the anchor outs and things like that. But there is more to us than that particular issue. And I just would hope that we would understand that. We've had huge amounts of help from residents of the city, up on the People come together, they offer their services. It's just amazing. And just to let you know, 80% of the $6 million project funded. by Sausalito either residents or those who have boats or businesses here. So this is Sasalip, and please appreciate that, and I thank you again for my little speech, but There she is. She's ready to come out. And without facilities like this and without these various businesses who can help us, we couldn't have done this. And I hope you appreciate that and help support them. Thank you. |
| 00:29:03.37 | Unknown | Thank you. Any comments on that? It sure is something, if you haven't done the double take when you're coming down Bridgeway and see those masks in the air, which we didn't normally see before, it's like, wow, there they are. Pretty neat. Have you done that? Yep. Fine. |
| 00:29:05.82 | Adam Politzer | you |
| 00:29:05.88 | Unknown | that. |
| 00:29:18.81 | Susan | Actually, one more comment. I just want to thank the folks back who built the Matthew Turner and the organizers. Both Joe and my. |
| 00:29:20.09 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 00:29:29.00 | Susan | children in third grade spent pretty much every week down there and were there for the laying of the keel. And just a tremendous contribution to the educational efforts that the kids at both those schools and the city school district. So I just want to thank all the workers who were so great and patient and who really gave a lot of kids in town just a real love for boat building and ships and they were able to watch it grow and now to see it done is just amazing. So thank you. |
| 00:30:02.30 | Unknown | Thank you for that. Yeah, when your daughter has learned math on the keel of a boat like this and remembers that, that lasts a lifetime and it's unreplaceable. So thank you for the group. That's very much appreciated. Seeing no other public comment on items not on the agenda, I'm going to close public comment and bring it to the action minutes of the previous meeting, which is we have April 30th, 2019. |
| 00:30:26.60 | Joan | I had a correction to the minutes. |
| 00:30:28.17 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:30:28.64 | Joan | Thank you. on page 18. well it's page 11 of the printout but it's um It's under the item 7A, General Plan Update. Council requested that the future updates not be on the consent calendar. I think we need to say Council requested that the future updates be heard as a business item and not on the consent calendar. So add business item for sure. |
| 00:30:52.03 | Unknown | Thank you. Motion with approved with amended. |
| 00:30:58.10 | Susan | I move the adoption of the minutes. |
| 00:30:58.15 | Unknown | THEIR OWNERS. |
| 00:30:58.66 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 00:31:01.70 | Susan | As amended. As amended. |
| 00:31:03.74 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 00:31:04.35 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. |
| 00:31:05.06 | Susan | Thank you. |
| 00:31:05.16 | Joan | Bye. |
| 00:31:06.81 | Ray Withy | Mr. Mayor, I'll be abstaining, unfortunately, I missed that meeting. |
| 00:31:10.88 | Unknown | 4-0 with one abstention. |
| 00:31:12.52 | Joan | Although he watched it. |
| 00:31:14.94 | Unknown | But he might have been medicated. |
| 00:31:18.39 | Ray Withy | Certainly was. |
| 00:31:20.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:31:24.58 | Unknown | we're now to Council Council member committee reports and um I'll start off I know we had one in writing so thank you whoever the ghost writer of those oh Go ahead. Why don't you mention that? |
| 00:31:39.58 | Joan | Sure, I shared with the council our agenda from our general plan advisory committee meeting where we heard reports from the business advisory commission and from Sausalito Beautiful. We had 45 minute reports from each with their long range vision for Sausalito. And the business advisory commission report was split into three pieces. the downtown area, Caledonia, and the Marinship. So it was interesting to hear their perspectives. um, They had to put their report together in a very short amount of And so we appreciate the effort that they expended. And then at our next meeting, we will be hearing from two other stakeholder groups. I think the Planning Commission and the PBAC. And then we still will hear later from the Disaster Preparedness Commission. |
| 00:32:33.30 | Susan | Thank you. |
| 00:32:33.36 | Joan | Thank you. Thank you. And sustainability, yeah. So I think it's planning commission and sustainability next meeting then. disaster preparedness and PBAC. So thanks to all for participating in the general plan process. In addition, I shared the agenda and recommendations from the MCC MC. Marin County mayors and city council members. legislative committee in which we that met this morning and that adopted recommendations from the League of California Cities to both support some bills and oppose other bills. And so that agenda with those recommendations is in your packet as well. And then I wanted to report that council member Hoffman and I have been addressing our obligation to continue to caucus regarding recommendations about how the city council might what requests the Sausalito City Council might make about our schools. The one item that's so important to all of our residents over which we have no jurisdiction. And so I attended a presentation last week about racism. I've engaged in dialogue with various school board members and members of the community to explore options moving forward. Jill will be participating in a panel discussion. tomorrow evening. to obtain resident feedback on budgetary issues. Um, And then you all have seen in the newspaper proposals to put a $30 million capital expenditure measure on the ballot in 2020. to invest monies with the I Have a Dream. a New York based program. Councilmember Hoffman and I are continuing to caucus. We will be meeting with LAFCO to discuss the manner in which these various agencies might be able to collaborate, and we hope to come back to you on June 11. with some recommendations. And I'll let Council Member Hoffman speak more about tomorrow evening's meetings. |
| 00:34:51.87 | Jill Hoffman | Before tomorrow evening's meeting, I've been asked to sit on the council, but My understanding is I'm going to be there mainly to take public comment about the budget issues and things that are going on. |
| 00:35:04.11 | Unknown | going on. |
| 00:35:04.90 | Jill Hoffman | with regard to that panel discussion and the people that are attending. One of the issues that I wanted to briefly talk with the other council members tonight is whether or not am I appearing on behalf of the city council and Jill Hoffman or am I appearing as private citizen Jill Hoffman who happens to sit on the city council who's going to take a report back. So I don't know how you guys feel about that, either if you have a position one way or the other. |
| 00:35:35.11 | Unknown | I think since we set up the task force and gave you that authorization, you're as counsel. |
| 00:35:40.17 | Susan | Okay, thanks. Yeah, and I think we've had a couple of discussions about it, so I think you pretty much understand where you're coming from. I just wanted to. And just, I don't know if Council Member Cox said it already, but that's at the multipurpose room from 6.30 to 8 o'clock at the Willow Creek Campus off of Nevada Street. |
| 00:35:41.15 | Unknown | I think we've had a couple of times. |
| 00:35:42.11 | Unknown | . |
| 00:35:44.95 | Meg Fawcett | Thank you. |
| 00:35:44.96 | Unknown | . |
| 00:35:45.15 | Meg Fawcett | Thank you. |
| 00:35:45.18 | Unknown | So, we're going to have a |
| 00:35:46.61 | Meg Fawcett | Thank you. |
| 00:35:46.77 | Unknown | I'm going to get him. |
| 00:35:46.95 | Meg Fawcett | I'm sorry. |
| 00:35:47.04 | Jill Hoffman | from. |
| 00:35:47.59 | Meg Fawcett | Thank you. |
| 00:35:47.63 | Jill Hoffman | and I'm going to be |
| 00:35:47.70 | Meg Fawcett | Thank you. I'm sorry. |
| 00:35:49.23 | Jill Hoffman | I don't know. |
| 00:35:49.65 | Meg Fawcett | Thank you. |
| 00:36:02.02 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you for that. Yeah, so anyway, so we're hoping there's going to be a lot of work between now and June 11th. And in that time, Councilmember Cox and I will come back together and discuss the various viewpoints that we've talk to different people about and hopefully come up with the consensus, at least between the two of us for a recommendation on what the city council can do to support the school district. |
| 00:36:26.15 | Unknown | Excellent. There's nothing. Thank you. |
| 00:36:33.12 | Ray Withy | Well, the only meeting I've attended in the last two weeks has been the general plan advisory committee and council member Cox gave such an excellent and thorough briefing on that that I really have nothing to say. I will add one thing though, not about the General Plan Advisory Committee. I don't normally do this, this sort of update, but I'm going to tonight. I've, every month, many of you may not know this, but every month, or at least nine times a year, all of the city council members from the whole of Marin, so that's 55 people. We usually get about 40, show up for dinner. And the organization is called MCCMC. That's the Marin County Council of Mayors and Council Members. For the last year, I've had the honor of being the president of that organization. I've got one more month to go. And then my term ends and I just wanted to point out that at the last meeting, which was held in, um, Fairfax, The presentation that evening was a panel discussion by a group of four high school students talking about climate change and the effects of climate change. It's their future, after all. And I just wanted to let you know that we probably heard more words of wisdom from those of four young people than I've heard over many years on climate change and the like. So congratulations to them and I just thought I'd throw that in as I had the opportunity. |
| 00:38:41.07 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:38:41.57 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. I was going to, were you going to talk about the League of Cities? No. Do you mind if I... So the mayor and I attended the California League of Cities presentation in Vallejo at the Maryland Naval Shipyard. We had a presentation from State Senator Scott Wiener on some of the housing bills that he had put forth. And he learned on the drive down that some of them, had been put on a two year track instead of a one year track, which some of us felt was a good thing for further, of course, investigation and study about his proposals. And the other things that we saw were really, really good presentations from the city of Vallejo. on their efforts to redevelop Mara and Naval Shipyard, which is the main reason why I went. Because one was because I used to, when I was on active duty in the Navy, I actually worked up there. So I wanted to see kind of what was going on in the redevelopment of that shipyard. Because we're thinking about that with our own shipyard and the success or failure that they've had in trying to repurpose those buildings. Some quite large buildings and difficult buildings. from an engineering standpoint, and also some many quite historic buildings. Anyway, it was a really, really interesting day. There was also a great presentation for the prefabricated or whatever you want to call it, modular housing for The facility was up there, they build them up there, and we had a presentation on what's available and how the different configurations that you can purchase them. So for housing and for low income housing. So I thought that was really very, very interesting and then some other tours on the rehabilitated So overall, it was a long day, probably longer than most League of Cities presentations. But I thought from my perspective, and I think from the mayors as well, it was very interesting and some lessons learned that might be applicable here in Sausalito. So anyway, that was a great, I thought a great afternoon. |
| 00:40:44.76 | Gail | Thank you. |
| 00:40:53.79 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. That's it. Is that it for you, Jill? Yeah. Okay, good. Thank you for that. That league was a great meeting. I only have the finance committee, of which we'll talk a little bit tonight, and the hospitality committee, which we'll talk a little bit tonight. So I'm so thankful that Council Member Withley did not bring up at the Fairfax meeting as we walked in, three members of the council were playing in a rock and roll band and playing really well. And it really upped the bar for the other nine councils in the room. |
| 00:40:58.52 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Okay, good. Thank you. |
| 00:41:27.02 | Unknown | that we're going to have to get together. Karaoke. |
| 00:41:31.19 | Kim Huff | and do something. |
| 00:41:33.67 | Unknown | So thanks for not putting that challenge out. That's it for you. |
| 00:41:37.53 | Unknown | for |
| 00:41:37.87 | Kim Huff | Sony kids I forgot. |
| 00:41:39.89 | Unknown | Thank you. Seeing no other committee reports, I will close committee reports and bring it to consent calendar. |
| 00:41:45.56 | Joan | Mr. Mayor, I'm going to not vote on one of the items on the consent calendar. Item. 5A. |
| 00:41:55.69 | Unknown | Thank you. On 5B, we have additional mail from the Assistant City Manager on answering of Council Member Jill Hoffman's questions regarding that. Does that work for you? |
| 00:42:07.74 | Jill Hoffman | I was, I'm going to request that 5B, C, and D, |
| 00:42:08.41 | Unknown | I'm going to |
| 00:42:12.60 | Jill Hoffman | all be removed from consent and moved to item 6B because they're all sort of budget issues. And so I have a couple of questions about each of those items. I think I'm going to move very quickly through them and I'll ask my questions during the comment section for 6B. So I would request that those be. |
| 00:42:37.59 | Unknown | So you want them moved, but you can talk about them all in one item? Yeah. When we do 6B? |
| 00:42:41.99 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. I think so, yeah. . There are questions about those items for Yulia in the context of the budget. |
| 00:42:50.99 | Unknown | All right, and has Yulia been exposed to these questions? Yeah. Okay. Yes, I think so. And you say it's going to be quick. |
| 00:42:54.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Yes, I think so. Yes. |
| 00:43:00.03 | Unknown | Okay, then we will not, if the council approves, or we can approve these as is and still have that discussion, So any other comments on these? Seeing none, before we make a decision, I'm going to open up to public comment. So this is public comment on consent calendar items. We have 5A through 5D. I'm going to check quickly through my 7, 6, 5, 5, 5, 3, |
| 00:43:09.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:43:09.91 | Unknown | So... |
| 00:43:10.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:43:26.31 | Unknown | Seeing none, do we have any public comment on consent? Seeing none, close. Public comment on consent. And then bring it up here for opinion. We have one recusal on 5A. Take that, let's take that now. |
| 00:43:40.23 | Sybil | OK, I'll move 5A. Second. |
| 00:43:43.00 | Unknown | All approved. All in favor? Aye. That's 4-0 when recuse. |
| 00:43:44.57 | Sybil | Aye. |
| 00:43:50.64 | Unknown | 5B, C and D. Do we want to take a vote and then still discuss them? |
| 00:43:53.61 | Susan | and then still discussing. I would just say our normal practice if we take something off of consent is to hear it at the following meeting. But if these are not long items, then I'm okay with that. Well, we've already have the answers. |
| 00:44:05.02 | Unknown | Well, we already have the answers to the audit firm questions, which I guess there's more discussion on that. And I would not hesitate to move 5C and D to a to the next meeting and give you time to have your questions answered at that time. |
| 00:44:24.07 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:44:24.10 | Joan | But whatever the majority wants to do is fine. I mean, if they are short, if the questions and answers are short, I am so pleased to have five. |
| 00:44:26.30 | Unknown | YOU. |
| 00:44:26.57 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:44:33.62 | Joan | C and D. But it is the first time we've seen them. So if there are, that's the first time the city council has ever seen Treasury, that this city council has ever seen Treasury reports. And so I would suggest if the questions are short, which I myself had a couple of questions during the finance committee meeting when first exposed to these. I would say perhaps let's try and wrap it all up under the budget this evening if others are amenable. |
| 00:44:57.06 | Unknown | Okay, how would that look as far as then moving those to an approval at that time? Did we just call them out as separate? |
| 00:45:03.81 | Mary Wagner | We'll just have you take separate action items on them if there's a need for that. |
| 00:45:05.80 | Unknown | Okay. I'll take a motion for that. |
| 00:45:09.57 | Joan | So moved. Second. |
| 00:45:12.72 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. Aye. |
| 00:45:13.53 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:45:13.55 | Jill Hoffman | Aye. |
| 00:45:15.76 | Unknown | That's 5-0. We will hear 5-B, C, and D quickly in item 6-B. |
| 00:45:20.09 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:45:22.66 | Unknown | and we have voted on 5A. So now we are up to our business items. And first up, Is item. Hold on, hold on, hold on. 6A. Which is to authorize the city manager to execute amendment one to the professional consulting services agreement with Harris and associates for the Sauclido Emergency Disaster Recovery Services Mudslide Update. And that will be our Interim Public Works Director, Dave Bracken. |
| 00:45:46.78 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council and the public. I'm not sure. Yes, we're asking you tonight to adopt a resolution amending you Hey. Excuse me. |
| 00:46:06.01 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 00:46:10.86 | Kevin McGowan | Excuse me. amending an agreement we have with Harrison Associates. for uh, disaster recovery for the slide on Susalita Boulevard. and the one on North Street stairs. Uh, We did enter into agreement at the beginning of April with them for $24,500. And again, we want to amend that to increase it another 25,000. Um, And to date, They've helped staff a lot. In fact, they've led this process Uh, and the reason we need, I just want to say this, the reason we need consultants on this It's a tedious and... It's critical that we follow all the regulatory requirements, comply with regulatory requirements, And one of my main concerns with this was, involving reimbursements. There's a potential to be reimbursed for all but 6.25%. of the cost of this disaster recovery. That would come from FEMA and from the state. And I think I mentioned before, we need to cross all our Ts and dot all our Is to make sure that happens. Andy and I, Andy Davison and I attended a meeting last week with a member of Harris up at the county. And I do have more hope that we will get that reimbursement after that meeting. I do want to say that. So it's important, I know, I know a lot of the public has been anxious to see this thing over and done with. And I apologize that it's not, but again, I think it's really important that we comply with all the regulatory requirements for that NEPA and the different agencies, fish and game, fish and wildlife, I should say. I'm sorry. So, It's a long process, that's what I'll say. And Harris has been really good for this initial work they've done for us. We want to extend that, again, another $25,000. As far as where we're going with this, next week, By the end of next week, we hope to put out a RFP for consulting services that would cover everything with this recovery of the design of the contract administration. assistance. with all that reimbursement with FEMA. you that type of thing. And we also, on a parallel course, hope to put out a requests for bids for the contract to remove the debris. Now, that's another process, and we have to follow FEMA guidelines for that. That would be a good question. We'd open bids 30 days after we put it out to bid. Do you have a question? |
| 00:49:07.99 | Joan | Yeah, so we have adopted an emergency declaration that, as I understand it, allows us to avoid the public bidding obligations in order to move swiftly to accomplish the work subject to the emergency. And what you're saying is that FEMA, |
| 00:49:08.68 | Kevin McGowan | Yeah. |
| 00:49:26.86 | Joan | despite the fact that it is a federal emergency management act, requires that we let bids for 30 days before we can hire a contractor. |
| 00:49:37.10 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. That is my understanding. And I would have thought the same thing, but it is my understanding and again, sometimes with FEMA You don't find out what you've done wrong until everything's done. Everything's paid for by the town. by the city, I should say, And then they come and audit you. say, well, I mean, this can be two years later. And we just want to make sure that we don't go across a bridge that we shouldn't have on this disaster recovery. I would have thought the same thing on that, Councilmember, but... Apparently we do have to follow those guidelines. |
| 00:50:21.13 | Mary Wagner | And if I could interject, Mr. Mayor, members of the council, we did contact Claire Gibson, who does a lot of specialty contracting work, for us and ask this very specific question. Um, She indicated to us that while it seems, emergency seems to be an emergency, there's a very strict definition that the courts would apply. In this case. which we don't believe is met by the current conditions. We can share that with you. I can either go into it in more depth now or share it with you separately. |
| 00:50:52.47 | Joan | I just wanted to ensure that we had carefully examined the issue because it does seem counterintuitive and because the residents up there are suffering adverse consequences of delay in mitigating the damage. |
| 00:51:07.79 | Kevin McGowan | I believe we have done due diligence with that. I really do. And again, I'll apologize to the public mainly. I know I've met and on a first name basis with many of the residents up there. |
| 00:51:15.28 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:51:20.95 | Kevin McGowan | And I see them, it's the first thing I hear, the first thing you hear, I'm sure, whence it's going to be over. I'm not sure. And we are trying our best again. It's really important. We're looking at over a million dollars of cost in this. And it's really important that we do get reimbursed. And again, I think, We have, there's a good potential being reimbursed for all but six 0.25% of that. And I'd hate to have you come back here two years later and say, well, I'm sorry, I forgot to do that, and FEMA's not going to reimburse us for it. So anyhow, we do need to be careful. We have done due diligence on investigating that. |
| 00:52:06.53 | Joan | Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. |
| 00:52:07.78 | Unknown | Yeah, and I have a question, I think, because it's just based on something you just said prior to the previous question. So we have two more consultant hires we're going to do. We're going to do Harris tonight. And then we're gonna go to bid on the debris removal bid package and then also another consultant that does construction management, project administration and technical studies. |
| 00:52:31.57 | Kevin McGowan | The debris removal would be for a contractor who actually comes in and removes the debris. Yeah. The other would be the administrative service, basically an extension of what Harris is doing now. It's just that that'll be, we do have to go through a qualifications based request for proposals on that. |
| 00:52:34.96 | Unknown | Correct. Yeah. |
| 00:52:36.84 | John Robacher | Thank you. |
| 00:52:37.65 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:52:52.51 | Unknown | Would that be a Harris then? Or could they bid on that? |
| 00:52:55.43 | Kevin McGowan | Yes, they could bid on that. |
| 00:52:56.83 | Unknown | So do we have a strong line between what they're doing now as consultant, which includes compliance strategy and permitting and |
| 00:52:57.59 | Kevin McGowan | THE FEDERAL. |
| 00:53:06.74 | Unknown | things that look like they might be still maintained in this other proposal as well. There seems to be kind of crossover between whoever that person is, |
| 00:53:15.18 | Kevin McGowan | I'd look at it more of an extension. But again, we can't just give that that agreement to, we can't sign an agreement with Harris for that. without going out to an RFP. |
| 00:53:29.30 | Unknown | WILL WHICHEVER CONSULTANT get, I call it juice, but will they get a percentage of the construction bid? Are they managing that as a project manager? |
| 00:53:37.40 | Kevin McGowan | as a project manager? Well, they'd be project manager on it, but it'd be time and materials. |
| 00:53:42.14 | Unknown | from the consultant as well. |
| 00:53:42.46 | Kevin McGowan | consultant as well. Rather than a percentage of the contract. |
| 00:53:44.79 | Unknown | Okay. All right. Thank you. |
| 00:53:47.68 | Kevin McGowan | And then with that, there are two members of Harris and Associates, Michael McCormick and Eric Bond. And I'd like to have them come up and explain what they've done. and what they're going to do with this additional agreement. Okay. |
| 00:54:03.15 | Unknown | Any questions of Dave, any further questions? |
| 00:54:05.55 | Susan | I guess my only question, and I think we've addressed this at earlier meetings, just is there any way to accelerate the schedule that you've proposed in the staff report? I mean, it just seems very frustrating that we are just going out to bid now, and the work as I understand it won't start until July. on the debris pile, which I mean, we've all been over there. |
| 00:54:33.53 | Kevin McGowan | I wish I could say yes, but I can't say yes. I would not advise to do that. I mean, we could go and hire, I could have hired Majoran Gelati to come in there the next day. We did have a clean Sausalito Boulevard, but that was the City Attorney said that that was an emergency. given strict definition, the clearing of Crescent is not an emergency, or the or the area above Crescent. |
| 00:55:06.38 | Susan | And then |
| 00:55:06.42 | Kevin McGowan | So unfortunately, I have to say no to that. |
| 00:55:09.15 | Susan | Okay, and then can you speak to any potential health and safety impacts to the nearby residents, especially in light of recent rain? and the nature of the debris that's there. |
| 00:55:21.76 | Kevin McGowan | I can't really speak to that. We'll hire people to do that and monitor that. um, I don't see. There is a bit of a... delay in response time. for emergency vehicles. But I don't see anything with anything coming water flowing through that debris that would cause any unusual health risks. |
| 00:55:52.05 | Susan | . |
| 00:55:52.22 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:55:52.23 | Susan | THANK YOU. |
| 00:55:52.30 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:55:53.09 | Kevin McGowan | I think. |
| 00:55:55.56 | Jill Hoffman | Dave, I'm sorry, yeah, I have a question for you. And this is about some of the other slide areas in town, so if I'm outside the scope of what you're talking about today, that's fine, just tell me. But is there any way to combine the work that were, I mean, not to slow anything down, mind you, but combine that with some of the other slide areas that we have in town, to have these companies address the other three, I think, areas that we have. From previous slides and former years. |
| 00:56:24.19 | Kevin McGowan | From previous. I think I'd recommend that on a separate agreement. Mm-hmm. |
| 00:56:29.21 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 00:56:29.58 | Kevin McGowan | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:56:30.44 | Jill Hoffman | OK. |
| 00:56:31.05 | Kevin McGowan | and keep this by itself. |
| 00:56:33.09 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, sure, thanks. |
| 00:56:34.45 | Unknown | All right Dave, you can bring up the others. And while he's doing that, I saw a couple hands. Let me just say we are going to have public comment on this item. So we're going to hear from these gentlemen and then we'll open it up. And I have one card already. I have one card from Karen. If there's any others, please fill out a card. |
| 00:56:51.68 | Michael McCormick | Thank you, Mayor, Council, staff, members of the public. It's great to be here tonight. I know this is not an easy discussion for the community. It's been a challenge for the community. Over the last six weeks, we've been working really closely with city staff to make sure that the FEMA and OES, the Office of Emergency Services, processes are fully connected and that the city is documenting things as we move forward. I have the easy job. I'm actually going to introduce Harris a little bit because I don't think you've been introduced to Harris and Associates as a company. Then I'm going to hand the hard job off to Eric Bond to talk a little bit about what we've done and where we're headed with this. So Harris is a 40-year-plus company. We've been doing civil engineering across the state and in the West. We have three primary divisions, construction management, civil engineering, and public services around environmental planning, natural resources, strategic planning, utilities. We have a municipal finance team, climate change and planning, and then we also have a risk and resilience team, which Eric heads up as well. we've we do work around the state across over 200 different clients right now across a broad variety of different issues and part of our value proposition is that we're an employee owned company our employees actually help make the decisions about what kind of projects we support one of of our core values is community benefit. So we pursue projects that are community benefit projects. We have a criteria that we use to identify projects that work for us that make us proud. And so this project is one of those. And I just want to thank you for trusting us and being a partner with the city on solving this complex issue. And I'm going to introduce Eric Vaughn. He's our director for risk and resilience. Really the lead on this project has been engaged since day one, actually since before day one. We were out here a couple weeks before the contract signed to just get ahead of the curve a little bit. And he's going to talk a little bit about what we've done, where we're going over the next month, and where we're headed out through the rest of this process as the scope of works get implemented. Sure. |
| 00:59:07.58 | Eric Bond | Okay, thank you all very much. So just to put this in perspective, so many of the members on this team have been involved in disaster response and recovery in the state Some of the team members have been working for 20, 25 years. It's a dedicated bunch of staff who all share the urgency of wanting to try and do this work as quickly as possible, as efficiently. And so just to let you know, we essentially have two main priorities for this work. The first priority is to make sure that you get maximum reimbursement for the process, right? The second priority is to conduct the project in as tight a timeline as possible. some of the biggest risks that can happen in these kind of projects is because the reimbursement often sometimes, so like for example, the environmental compliance, the national compliance NEPA, that assessment is done after the project's finished. So it's really important to make sure that from the very beginning, the project's set up right. Other types of things can be multiple contracts. It can slow down a process. We want once the work starts, that it's going to run on a continuous basis so that the process is to, so for example, the debris removal is done very quickly from when it starts to when it stops and that the sequencing is right so the debris is removed immediately the utilities can be restored slope stabilized all these sort of different actions are run in peril so some of our early work was to to map everything out to make sure that all the technical studies that had to be done were sequenced properly related to the debris removal process. so that Once it was started, The technical studies, the grant administration and coordination, and the debris removal were all done in a tight timeframe. So as has been stated by Mr. Bracken, there's gonna be two major procurements, so that's good, that's just two major procurements, the whole thing, and that's meant to cover the debris removal contract and then all the project administration to make sure that it happens properly, from the construction management to the technical studies, the design, and the grant administration coordination. So FEMA and Cal OES are going to be involved, and it's good. The more that they're involved and the more that they're exposed to the early decision-making, the much better chance the whole process has of going smoothly. Um, So, I mean, it's, you know, the initial estimate was around $8 million, $8 to $10 million. We've done our best to estimate how much debris there is and that's really sort of the biggest factor estimating the total cost of the work. Um, So yeah. So to date, we've put together a general scope and schedule. Um, The point of the initial contract with Harris was to get you to the two procurements. So this project, oh sorry. |
| 01:02:05.41 | Susan | we're all just mumbling up here, but you did you just say eight to $10 million? |
| 01:02:09.12 | Eric Bond | Yeah, so the initial project estimate. |
| 01:02:12.04 | Susan | So in our staff report, we were in a more of a million plus, 1.5 range. So I think we're all a little puzzled. |
| 01:02:17.42 | Eric Bond | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:02:17.57 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:02:17.71 | Eric Bond | Thank you. |
| 01:02:18.76 | Kevin McGowan | I think we're all a little puzzled. We're not trying to fool you. That includes the structural damage. |
| 01:02:22.30 | Susan | Okay. |
| 01:02:25.98 | Kevin McGowan | That was an estimate that we made I think the day after the slide, and gave to FEMA. So that, I mean, there were two homes destroyed. That $8 million includes those two homes. |
| 01:02:36.44 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:02:36.51 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:02:36.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:02:36.66 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. So total damage. The total damage. |
| 01:02:37.22 | Unknown | They're total... |
| 01:02:37.97 | Susan | They did. |
| 01:02:40.34 | Kevin McGowan | from this event, okay? which is different than the million plus that we've mentioned that that's, That's debris removal and utility replacement. We've lost storm drain and sewer lines up there. So yeah, they're two different things completely. |
| 01:02:58.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:02:58.55 | Kevin McGowan | And when we made that assessment, uh, that estimate, I should say, We also threw a number into We didn't know if there was damage to Sausalito Boulevard or Crescent Avenue at that time. So we put it back. Very rough estimates into that also. |
| 01:03:16.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:16.77 | Kevin McGowan | and we're going to be |
| 01:03:16.84 | Susan | Right. |
| 01:03:17.02 | Eric Bond | you |
| 01:03:17.23 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:03:17.33 | Eric Bond | Thank you. |
| 01:03:17.34 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:03:17.48 | Eric Bond | That makes sense. |
| 01:03:18.05 | Susan | Thank you. |
| 01:03:19.18 | Eric Bond | So I apologize if I caused some confusion. But I will. No, we're okay now. We're palpitating. |
| 01:03:21.65 | Unknown | WE'RE OKAY NOW. THEIR OWNERS. |
| 01:03:24.53 | Eric Bond | Thank you. |
| 01:03:24.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:24.79 | Eric Bond | Thank you. Okay, yeah, but I will say that the FEMA public assistance program is a reimbursement program. So the costs incurred. are the basis for the reimbursement. So whatever it ends up costing, There's the cost share that Mr. Bracken mentioned. So it's essentially, Maximum reimbursement means that the part the city has to cover is 6.25% of the total cost. |
| 01:03:50.23 | Unknown | Question. Yeah. And it kind of goes back to my previous question. You just kind of put yourself there as being our partner through this and talked about the scope of the project from beginning to end. Correct. And we're still talking about a $25,000 consulting contract. So is the $25,000 we're partners to the end of this project it sounds like. |
| 01:03:59.38 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:04:07.77 | Unknown | Since that's what we're discussing tonight. |
| 01:04:08.19 | Eric Bond | Since that's where it is. The initial contract, the purpose of the contract was to the city get to where those two procurements are on board. So you've got your project administration contract, professional services contract that's performance, construction management, the technical studies, and grant assistance, so working with FEMA and coordinating with, oh, and I didn't mention compliance. There are a number of, I can talk about this too. |
| 01:04:34.65 | Unknown | No, I appreciate that. |
| 01:04:35.53 | Eric Bond | about the agencies. But just to quickly answer your question, it's to get to where the two contractors will be on board to help you sort of essentially carry out the project. That's the purpose of this initial contract. |
| 01:04:51.15 | Unknown | And that is our main purpose as we've been talking about. We're giving up time, all sorts of things to make sure that we have a very consistent and ironclad case. And for this amount of money that we're approving tonight, you're our partner through that, making that case. Now it sounds we're still going to bring somebody else in, but you're our partner for that documents to FEMA and OES and all that, that is really the reason we're having this meeting tonight. Absolutely. Is to guarantee that portion of this process, which is the single, |
| 01:05:17.73 | Eric Bond | Absolutely. |
| 01:05:22.34 | Unknown | because it protects that 94%. |
| 01:05:24.40 | Eric Bond | Yes. |
| 01:05:24.90 | Unknown | MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE |
| 01:05:25.11 | Eric Bond | Thank you. |
| 01:05:25.12 | Unknown | That's clear. |
| 01:05:25.44 | Eric Bond | Thank you. That's 100% correct. So just, I can go over compliance and permitting, and this is part of that puzzle, right? This is making sure that, Later on, when FEMA comes in, when the FEMA environmental officers come in and are looking at the project was done in compliance with FEMA, with NEPA requirements, that all these ducks are in a row. So, I mean, there's all sorts of permits that need to be reviewed from Army Corps of Engineers, the regional water quality board fish and wildlife the air air quality board two permits for those cultural resources investigation so relates to CEQA, so the state environmental compliance, and then NEPA as well. So that's a process that is going to be one of the focal points right now for this contract extension. So we've already developed a plan, so we're going to start the investigative process right now with this additional funding, and make sure that, again, when the procurements start, sort of the environmental permitting process is is in good shape. Any other questions? |
| 01:06:36.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:06:37.90 | Jill Hoffman | I have a follow up, but I don't think this is for you, sir. I think this is for, do we just have, Dave, this might be for you. So then what is the estimate for what the city of Sausalito will have to pay out of our budget? Do we have a wild guess? I know it's, I'm not there. $70,000. $70,000. Oh. |
| 01:06:59.27 | Kevin McGowan | Bye. Can you please really give it to the city? The city didn't pay for what, debris removal? |
| 01:07:02.26 | Jill Hoffman | THE CITY HAS BEEN PAYING Yeah, for all of this related to the slide. |
| 01:07:06.74 | Kevin McGowan | Uh, |
| 01:07:06.86 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF |
| 01:07:07.54 | Kevin McGowan | Well, we're estimating 1.1 million right now, and that's what we put in the budget in the capital projects that you'll see in your next item. But is it? |
| 01:07:16.50 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry, is that 1.1 million? less than 94% that FEMA's going to cover or that's 1.1 million in assuming- |
| 01:07:25.31 | Kevin McGowan | That's a cost. You hire a contractor and go up and remove that debris. |
| 01:07:30.59 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 01:07:31.82 | Kevin McGowan | Both in the right of way and on the private property and that land is all private property between Sausalito Boulevard and Crescent in spite of it having drainage systems and sewer systems in it. you But, That's an estimate for that debris removal. And the process of getting that debris broken. |
| 01:07:51.58 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:07:51.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:07:51.77 | Jill Hoffman | AND I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK. |
| 01:07:54.21 | Unknown | We're gonna get reinforced from that 1.1. |
| 01:07:56.76 | Jill Hoffman | But we're going to reimburse for the 1.1 million up to 94%. Hopefully. |
| 01:08:00.79 | Kevin McGowan | Oh my gosh. And I should add to that, |
| 01:08:03.56 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 01:08:05.55 | Kevin McGowan | FEMA looks at the debris removal on the public right-of-way differently than they do on private property. And that, I know. I shake my head too. That's another part of this process. that we need to be really careful with. THE END OF So anyhow, it's 1.1 million for that debris removal. Again, that's an estimate. |
| 01:08:23.66 | Unknown | How did he have? |
| 01:08:24.03 | Unknown | I got it. |
| 01:08:29.23 | Kevin McGowan | I'm not sure. Maybe they find something really contaminated in there that we don't expect that they do, You know, instead of taking this debris to it, landfill. Marine County, they take it to landfill where they take toxic waste somewhere in Nevada, I don't know. But, Nothing wrong with Nevada. You know, there's this kind of unknown still with this project. But anyhow, our estimate, that's the estimate that I put in the, or Public Works put in the capital program is $1.1 million. |
| 01:08:56.62 | Unknown | THE END OF Thank you. |
| 01:09:04.09 | Jill Hoffman | Thanks, any question? Sorry, I have one. And that's for, is that for also reconstruction of infrastructure up there, or is that just for debris removal? |
| 01:09:04.80 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A |
| 01:09:11.90 | Kevin McGowan | Yeah, that's for the... Yes, that's for the stored drain replacement and for the sewer line. |
| 01:09:17.96 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, gotcha, thank you. One more question. |
| 01:09:18.98 | Kevin McGowan | One more question. Which isn't a big part of this. I mean, the biggest part of this by far is the debris removal. |
| 01:09:20.02 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:09:24.76 | Kevin McGowan | There are pipes in the ground. once we get the debris out of there. It's a pretty straightforward process for the utilities. |
| 01:09:34.48 | Unknown | One more question, Dick. Yes. |
| 01:09:36.51 | Susan | Yeah, so and I don't know if this is for the city manager or for you, Mr. Bracken, but earlier in our public comment, there was an issue raised about the parking on Crescent, which is pretty fraught. What is the city doing to kind of manage that situation? |
| 01:09:58.70 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 01:09:58.72 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:09:58.85 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 01:09:58.89 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:09:59.04 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 01:09:59.05 | Susan | Well, that's- Related to the slide. Related to the slide, yeah. |
| 01:09:59.09 | Kevin McGowan | Well, related to that. related to you know i don't want to say it's the first i've heard of it because i've seen driving by you can see that the car is parked where where crescent avenue is blocked off |
| 01:10:01.96 | Joan | Yeah. |
| 01:10:09.92 | Kevin McGowan | three and four are breast so i do and there's a loss of parking on crescent avenue obviously so i am aware of it but i did make note of that and we'll look into that and see what we can do In the meantime, until we get Crescent Avenue open again. |
| 01:10:27.40 | Adam Politzer | And I can add an update to that. I know that several of the residents reached out to the police department because there were citations that were issued and they waived those citations and went back and looked at how the barricades were positioned and looked to maximize the street. And then as you heard earlier, give residents their parking passes to allow them to park in other streets but you know as we heard earlier it is a under normal circumstances it's a difficult location to park so the police department is committed to continuing to work with that neighborhood to look for additional strategies to help alleviate parking and I think as we heard earlier where there are cars that are parked there that are not that are parked there that are not moving, see if there's other places, we can locate those offsite if possible. But the police department has taken that issue and will continue to work with the neighborhood. |
| 01:11:27.06 | Susan | Okay, great, thank you. |
| 01:11:30.26 | Unknown | Any questions for her? Seeing none, okay, we're going to open it up to public comment now on this item. This is item 6A, if you're just coming in, we have approval of the city manager to execute amendment to the professional consulting service. Any public comment? I have three cards, Karin Sachs, Rich Vasquez, and Jim Huritz in that order. Karin. |
| 01:11:57.58 | Karin Sachs | Hi, good evening Mr. Mayor and council members. I dare say I'm probably one of four people that is still homeless. Sort of. out of 412, 414 Sausalito Boulevard, so needless to say the last three and a half months have been Tiring. Expensive. I haven't had a lot of clarity or communication with the city, sort of ad hoc. But as I've said before, once or twice before, I'm very concerned about the debris field because the debris field contains a lot of Artwork and files and important stuff. I understand my building is red tagged, so I may or may not be able to get back in in the next three or four or five months. But that debris field is very important for me. So I would like to have some clarity and communication and I'm going from 10,000 feet, Everyone else has been talking. to about five feet. I am one of four people that has been directly affected by this. And so I welcome all of the help and support that I can get from the city of Sausalito as a new member here, having just moved here in June. But, um, It's tiring. I'm tired and I've had no financial help. So. I guess I'll leave it at that. Thank you. |
| 01:13:23.70 | Unknown | Thank you. And, Karin, that is one of the reasons we're doing this is we want to save as many belongings. So thank you for speaking to that, and we will get you in touch so you have that opportunity to be more one-on-one. |
| 01:13:37.70 | Unknown | Rich Esquez, and then Jim Hurwitz. |
| 01:13:45.89 | Rich Vasquez | Thank you for the opportunity to speak before you. I live on Crescent Avenue and although we weren't affected by the slide, but it is blocking Crescent Avenue. I heard today that there is no... uh, no real problem. with that bonfire, stack of wood we have on Crescent Avenue and even below Crescent Avenue. I do think that we do have an issue in view of the situation that every time you turn around, they're always talking about potential fire dangers. especially now when we're coming up with you know, the fire season. And, uh, I don't understand why we can't clear the street immediately being that that is public. And if we can't clear the private property just yet, I think that would be a good start to get the thing you know, cleaned up. And the other question I have for you is that Is there any liability to the the Teltrans and the, I believe it was the B part. the U.S. Forestry Service or someone up there that owns that property where the slide started And what are we going to do about preventing another slide. because they're talking about cleaning up the mess, but what are they going to do to avoid having another problem like this? Okay, thank you. And I guess we still don't have an answer as to when is this all gonna start. Amen. Thank you stated here with that. Okay, thank you. |
| 01:15:32.42 | Unknown | JIM. |
| 01:15:41.87 | Jim Hurwitz | Mr. Mayor, council members, thank you, madam. We were, I'm one of the victims of the slide with Karn at 414. And this meeting was advertised that we would be provided with an updated estimate of the timeline when this was going to be remediated and the debris field cleared. I haven't heard a word about dates. by anybody who's supposed to be doing this. Um, We were told it would begin in July and end in September. We all have our belongings there. And we're asking for those dates and those numbers and we can see some progress. and have whatever's left in that debris field that we own recover before more I mean, A lot of that stuff clearly could have been cleared out. months ago that's been sitting there getting rained on and mudded on and everything else. I don't see a real good reason it hasn't been, other Well, I don't know. There's valuable stuff there. |
| 01:16:48.20 | Unknown | you know. |
| 01:16:49.91 | Jim Hurwitz | by the people who live there. In addition, Since the FEMA declaration of the first of the month, We were told the city will provide effective residents with instructions in applying for for those funds. We don't know what, we haven't heard a thing from anybody I asked. I sent an email to the city manager's office who then directed it to Lieutenant Frass, who then told me to look on FEMA's website if I need some information. which isn't a whole lot of help. because FEMA's website has nothing. when it comes to this emergency. So I'm hoping that somebody here can enlighten us and give us the information we promised at this meeting. |
| 01:17:34.66 | Unknown | Thank you. Any other public comment? Seeing no other public comment. Yeah, Dave, come on up and we'll clarify some of those items. |
| 01:17:45.04 | Kevin McGowan | just address some feelings and then I'll have |
| 01:17:46.14 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:17:48.79 | Kevin McGowan | Mike will come up here again also. I'm not sure. You know, the mention of the of the belongings that are in that debris It's a big issue. and we're aware of it. But if you look at that debris field, the first question you have to ask yourself is, how am I going to separate those personal belongings from the tree trunks and the mud and and the you know, destroyed. building materials. That's a task in itself. It's not, and here again, it's, A reason we need help from consultants because it's specialized in doing that. We're not just going to hire a consultant to come with a dump truck. and an excavator and pick that up and take it up to the, the landfill. We have to find a place to take it and separate it. figure out how we're going to identify those belongings, who they belong to, How are we going to get them back to them? Again, it's a process. And I'm not going to be able to ask for You know, a little bit of help in understanding that. And, uh, As far as the The timeline goes, yes, we're hoping to. put out a bid. package next week. And we have a 30-day period to bid on that. we'll open those bids that'll be based on on a the lowest responsible bidder. and then we'll execute a contract. And then I would expect that to happen, that executed contract in July. And to take. a month to clear this up, but again, Think about what it's going to take to remove, get those personal belongings, separate them everything else. and get them back to the private property owners. And that's not going to be easy. you And I can't really sit here. |
| 01:19:53.68 | Unknown | I can't remember. |
| 01:19:56.09 | Unknown | Thank you. We got it. All right. Thanks, Dave. And that's, yeah, it's just not easy. |
| 01:19:58.56 | Kevin McGowan | Thanks, Dave. Yeah, it's just not easy. |
| 01:20:01.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:01.12 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. whether it's four or 400. |
| 01:20:01.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:01.58 | Susan | And, |
| 01:20:01.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:01.81 | Susan | Yeah. I'm sorry, there was also a question about applying for assistance. And can we just find out why or what information is being provided to people? |
| 01:20:12.70 | Joan | The consultant that was we're hiring, can they provide, that's helping us navigate FEMA. Can we make them available to the residents to help them navigate FEMA as well? |
| 01:20:27.61 | Kevin McGowan | Well, they will work with FEMA. Now again, I mentioned earlier, FEMA distinguishes between the debris in the right of way and the debris on private property. Uh, The first thing people should do with that debris on private property is contact their insurance company. Um, Whether that's covered or not covered. I'm sorry. |
| 01:20:52.79 | Jim Hurwitz | Excuse me. |
| 01:20:53.30 | Kevin McGowan | Excuse me. |
| 01:20:54.87 | Unknown | Excuse me, thank you. We hear you. We got it. And he's speaking. Thank you, Kyren. We can't hear you on the microphone. It's really not, but thank you. We'll answer your questions. I think we're trying to get to the point of, you're talking about private property and your issue with your house, which is very valid. We're talking about a public cleanup of a debris field here as well with your items in it. And trying to do the thing that best supports your items in that debris field. So in that- In that regard, we're trying to give you very specific information that you've asked for, and frankly, it was just answered, and it was answered before you asked as well. So we're trying to get you that information. Now, if you have a FEMA issue regarding your property, we want to give you that information too. Let's not confuse the two. and just shout out information that isn't really relevant to that discussion. |
| 01:21:45.41 | Kevin McGowan | So |
| 01:21:45.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:21:45.49 | Kevin McGowan | So the direct answer to the question is yes, the consultant will help us with that. With anything, any assistance FEMA can provide, |
| 01:21:45.51 | Unknown | So, |
| 01:21:54.25 | Kevin McGowan | to the within the right-of-way and on the private property. |
| 01:21:59.03 | Joan | I had another question. So we hope to start work in July. We only have one meeting in July, July 16. So will you be able to bring back that contract for our approval, prior to our meeting in July, so I think we have to organize ourselves around getting the bid documents out in time, getting the response after 30 days, and bringing back the approval to the council. So as to ensure that that work starts in July. |
| 01:22:31.24 | Kevin McGowan | Yes. |
| 01:22:32.34 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 01:22:35.93 | Jill Hoffman | I have a question, the follow up with regard to the people that were affected by the mud slide. So about, we have two people here, I think three, two people directly affected How many people were actually. rendered homeless because of. the slide. either their home fell down the, or do you have that off the top of your head? |
| 01:22:59.42 | Kevin McGowan | Well, there are two homes destroyed, Thank you. |
| 01:23:01.48 | Jill Hoffman | I'm out. |
| 01:23:02.39 | Kevin McGowan | So there's those two humps that are Obviously. Thank you. |
| 01:23:06.66 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:23:06.71 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. rendered homeless. for lack of a better term. And then there's a third home. where the access was destroyed. Their access was from a parking deck, |
| 01:23:17.34 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:23:17.75 | Kevin McGowan | And that's, I think, the lady in the audience. |
| 01:23:20.55 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:23:21.17 | Kevin McGowan | uh, And that was the duplex, so there were two I'll call that two homes that were affected. |
| 01:23:26.45 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:23:28.45 | Kevin McGowan | until they get that access back, they're not going to be able to get back into their home. |
| 01:23:34.56 | Jill Hoffman | And are there currently any homes that are still red tagged, other than the two homes you just talked about? |
| 01:23:40.28 | Kevin McGowan | and the one I just, the two destroyed and the one I mentioned. |
| 01:23:43.84 | Jill Hoffman | of the community. Okay, but all the rest of the red tagged homes and orange tagged and whatever tagged they were, those have all been resolved. |
| 01:23:48.90 | Unknown | THOSE ARE THEIR THINGS. Yes. |
| 01:23:50.10 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so really we're talking about how many people that are in the position of Karin and David, is it five? Six people total. |
| 01:23:58.75 | Kevin McGowan | Say that again. |
| 01:23:59.65 | Jill Hoffman | So how many people are in the position of Karin and David who are here tonight? Are there four total? Four. Four total, okay. Thanks. I believe. Four or six? |
| 01:24:08.85 | Kevin McGowan | I believe the two destroyed were Single family. |
| 01:24:13.49 | Jill Hoffman | OKAY. |
| 01:24:14.92 | Kevin McGowan | The one that. Thank you. Thank you. where the access was destroyed is a duplex. |
| 01:24:17.69 | Jill Hoffman | Got it. Okay, so where I'm going with this is, So this can't be rocket science where people's homes have been destroyed in the past, where FEMA has coverage, where there's insurance coverage. What I'm hearing from our residents who are here tonight, and I suspect it's the same for the others four, is that they're having trouble navigating these different insurance companies, FEMA, and putting together the support that they're entitled to. They just don't know who to contact or how to access it. So if I'm articulating this correctly, is this something that our consultants can directly work with those residents to help resolve this issue? Okay, thank you. Thank you. Well, it wasn't clear to me. |
| 01:24:55.89 | Unknown | Well, I don't know if it was, because Dave answered about their items in the debris field. |
| 01:24:56.57 | Jill Hoffman | And I don't think it was clear to that. |
| 01:25:00.89 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 01:25:00.95 | Unknown | I specifically asked whether our- |
| 01:25:00.97 | Jill Hoffman | I specifically asked. |
| 01:25:01.97 | Meg Fawcett | Yeah. |
| 01:25:02.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:25:02.14 | Meg Fawcett | No. |
| 01:25:02.19 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 01:25:02.24 | Meg Fawcett | Yeah. |
| 01:25:02.26 | Jill Hoffman | There are consultants. |
| 01:25:02.76 | Kevin McGowan | So we'll work. |
| 01:25:03.45 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 01:25:03.50 | Kevin McGowan | with. |
| 01:25:03.79 | Unknown | Thank you. FEMA on their property- |
| 01:25:04.87 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 01:25:04.92 | Kevin McGowan | Bye. |
| 01:25:04.94 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:25:05.04 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:25:05.06 | Kevin McGowan | Yeah. |
| 01:25:05.21 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:25:05.31 | Kevin McGowan | on private property. |
| 01:25:06.98 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:25:07.01 | Kevin McGowan | I'm a good one. |
| 01:25:07.10 | Jill Hoffman | We've already started that. Okay, but that's not my question, it's broader than that. It's also whatever insurance issues are applicable, either private or public, whatever. |
| 01:25:07.16 | Unknown | We've already started. |
| 01:25:18.17 | Jill Hoffman | And I'm getting a nod yes from. Thank you. |
| 01:25:21.48 | Michael McCormick | you |
| 01:25:21.53 | Kevin McGowan | Do you mind if I? |
| 01:25:22.17 | Jill Hoffman | No. I mean, it's only six residents, right? I feel like- Right, and that's a really good point. |
| 01:25:26.84 | Michael McCormick | Right, and that's a really good point. So residents need to apply to their own private insurance first. If they aren't covered or they're denied, then they become eligible under FEMA reimbursement. So if the city removes the debris from private property, there's some very explicit and strict requirements that have to be met to track exactly what debris is coming from where so that then reimbursements can be allocated to each individual homeowner and those private properties. So that's part of what we're setting up right now, is a system to allocate debris removal from each of those individual parcels, so that when FEMA comes back in and asks where the debris came from, we'd have an answer for that. And then they can allocate the reimbursement based on that. |
| 01:26:08.37 | Jill Hoffman | From whatever pot it comes out of. Right. And there's different pots. That's my point. Okay, so is it difficult for you as a consultant to give us reports on specific individuals in Sausalito who have been affected by this that you're helping, like status reports as you move through. Like I have talked to Karin and Karin is eligible for X, Y, and Z. We have helped her access, whatever it is, just so that we have a status report on |
| 01:26:09.62 | Michael McCormick | Right. That's my point. |
| 01:26:31.98 | Jill Hoffman | what our residents are going through and the help that they've been getting and whether or not we need to provide further help and assistance. |
| 01:26:39.03 | Michael McCormick | And I think what we could do is work with Mr. Bracken to identify what's been done to date and then speak with each of the individual homeowners so that we can identify the best path forward for them. It shouldn't take a lot of time to do that. And ideally, what happens is the private insurer will step in to indicate that they will fund that debris removal. Unfortunately, that's not always the case. And then we have the backup of FEMA being able to fund that. I do think a couple of the points that came up earlier, would you mind if I addressed a couple of those points from public comment? |
| 01:27:16.44 | Unknown | THE CITY IS GOING TO BE |
| 01:27:16.82 | Michael McCormick | So one of them was regarding the debris removal on why it hasn't been done already. And part of the FEMA requirements is that you need to have all your ducks in a row before you touch the debris pile. If you start removing debris before they give official authorization to remove the debris, then it can't be reimbursed. So one of the issues we've been really struggling with is the timing. One, because the debris pile has to dewater to stabilize. And of course that's put into a question with the most recent rain. And then we have a really accelerated timeframe. We need to remove the debris before the next water season. And so one of the questions that we're having is the comfort of the community. in the amount of debris removed per day, because this is a large amount of debris, and it may require after-normal hours operations. So when we talk about parking situations, when we talk about access situations, we're going to have a large amount of debris moving up and down the local streets, which are already capacity-constrained. So there's both a phasing question, there's an impact to the community question. You know, if we do the 6 a.m. to midnight, that's obviously a huge impact on the community. Thank you. So there's both a phasing question, there's an impact to the community question. You know, if we do the 6 a.m. to midnight, that's obviously a huge impact on the community. If we do it from 7 to 7, will that actually remove the debris in time enough for the next water season? Because one of the worst things we could have is an unstable debris field in the next start of the next water season. So there's a lot of considerations that go into into this one of course of which is the reimbursement from FEMA to ensure the city's getting allocated the resources they need to actually do a good job here And I think I addressed the individual assistance piece. Eric, did I miss anything? We were chatting back and forth about a couple of different things. One of the things that we, as we were assisting the city in developing the scope of work for the upcoming consultants, is a communications plan might come in handy. So thinking about how we might be able to get that reimbursed. It's not typically a reimbursable expense. So we'll look into identifying potential funding sources for that and include that into the scope of work narrative for the city to consider. So anything else? |
| 01:29:32.07 | Adam Politzer | I had a question. Questions? I'm sorry. Council Member Cox, can I just want to, based on Council Member Hoffman's questioning, just want to make sure that we're also clear that |
| 01:29:33.23 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. |
| 01:29:43.54 | Adam Politzer | that there is sometimes a conflict between the tenants and what what they have lost versus the property owner. what they've lost. So it's also a complexity. in terms of how we're helping, they may not be sharing the same agenda. Um, There's also tenants that have been moved out. They've been released from their leases, and so those places are sitting vacant, and the property owners, although they're not red-tagged, are having a difficult time filling those leases because of exactly what we heard is the construction impacts that are coming in the months that come make it a place not as desirable as it is when the construction is over. So I just wanted to point out, as much as we are willing to help, part of the answers that we've given, including FEMA may not reimburse the private property owners at the same level as they are reimbursing the city and even less for the tenants that also experience loss. So I just want to make sure that all those complexities are shared. |
| 01:30:48.11 | Unknown | Thank you. And that might be a spreadsheet that we develop or one of us can put together of all the impacted parties and their impact, whether they're a tenant, an owner, or a car owner or whatever, because there are more than four or six, and there are four that are very specific and have a deeper issue for sure. |
| 01:31:08.32 | Joan | So we were told that Eric Vaughn is our lead on the project. I'm wondering if we can designate a point person for the residents to contact, so it sounds as though. We don't have the expertise within our city staff to answer all of their questions in this specialized area. So will Harris be able to identify a point person who can be the recipient and identify resources for these affected residents. |
| 01:31:38.24 | Eric Bond | Yeah, that's an excellent question. We do have a team member, someone who's already on the team. His name is William Llewellyn. He came from Cal OES, 25 years coordinating all manners of disaster from Loma Prieta, onwards to many of the fires. I think you'd be an excellent resource for this. In fact, that's what Michael and I were discussing earlier. So yes, we'll make him available to the four individuals. |
| 01:32:02.63 | Unknown | Yeah, or more. Yeah, because there's a lot of different impact. |
| 01:32:03.93 | Eric Bond | Oh, all the impact individuals, and we can, he can certainly, from a resource perspective, indicate sort of where the appropriate resources are, and |
| 01:32:15.60 | Unknown | I like how he did that. He assigned it to the guy who didn't make it. |
| 01:32:15.94 | Eric Bond | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:32:17.49 | Joan | I know. Thank you. |
| 01:32:19.33 | Unknown | you |
| 01:32:19.40 | Joan | And I'm sure he's. |
| 01:32:20.03 | Unknown | thanks you as well. We did read all your resumes, so thank you for having that in our package. |
| 01:32:24.28 | Joan | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:32:24.55 | Susan | Thank you. |
| 01:32:27.25 | Unknown | Any other questions, comments? All right, let's get to it. |
| 01:32:28.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:28.99 | Susan | Let's do it. I have a couple of comments. |
| 01:32:31.47 | Unknown | Let's get to comments. Sorry. Go ahead and start. |
| 01:32:32.87 | Susan | Sorry. What? So first of all, I just want to thank Harris for being here tonight. I mean, I read your resumes, but I think kind of your answers to a lot of these very complicated questions have been really informative and reassuring. So I'm happy to approve the extension of the contract tonight. I think what's most clear to me after this hearing is pretty much what our consultants just said is communication is key. I mean, there is both a very highly and heavily bureaucratic element to this and then there's a very human painful element to it as well and those two things are just completely at odds and very hard for not only the individuals affected to understand but also our community to understand so you drive by that debris field and you just think how can this possibly still be here But you know, you've given very cogent and reasoned explanations for why it's very important. So we have a really excellent director of communications who's done an outstanding job during this process. But I really think that as we move, you know, we get longer and longer into this, the communication has got to be our top priority. So I would just really encourage both the consultant and staff to think about how to message on four issues and then one of or three one is the timeline. And I think you started off. I think it was Eric who started off with, you know, maximum reimbursement for the city. I think we can all get behind that. and the tightest you know you are striving for the tightest timeline possible it does not feel like that to the community but I think we just have to communicate that this is the tightest timeline with our ability to get reimbursement um communication about assistance you know you have provided some really excellent information tonight but it sounds like maybe that wasn't already out there for our affected residents so you know i appreciate that and the commitments to follow up individually that's great and thanks for the council members who who pressed on that and lastly you know i just realized as as you said i think it was mich, we have this impending giant construction problem coming up that it's gonna impact that whole south end of town with Crescent and Main and probably Bridgeway. and up Alexander, I don't know how they're going to be going in and out, but we have to communicate that before July. Because people are, hopefully they will be empathetic to why we are doing this, but it's also going to be a big impact on people, especially if we want to do it as quickly as possible and work long hours. So I think we need to start communicating that. not right now, but as soon as we kind of understand the impacts. Because we really need to get our residents down there ready for that and ready to help get the debris field cleared. So those are my thoughts and thank you to Mr. Bracken and all your staff for all the hard work you're continuing to do. |
| 01:35:45.26 | Unknown | Next up, Ray, go ahead. Yeah, Ray, go ahead. |
| 01:35:46.31 | Susan | THE FAMILY. Yeah, right. |
| 01:35:48.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:35:48.23 | Ray Withy | Right. I completely agree with the Vice Mayor's comments there. I do feel reassured after listening to our two representatives from Harris tonight that they know what they're doing. They're sort of on their game, so thank you for coming. You've actually reassured me a lot. And You know, to those affected, this is, I mean, Obviously a terrible tragedy. I'm not sure if my home was sitting there Completely ruined. I would be as restrained as you've been, to be honest. So I thank you for your resilience. It's a terrible tragedy and I think we all need to up our game. basically, and make sure that this now happens as expeditiously as possible. We have got to find a way to carefully allow and enable those affected to try and retrieve what they can. There may not be much to retrieve, we don't know what state it's all in, but we've got to figure out a way. If that means moving it to some location to sort and You guys are just going to have to work out how we're going to do that. But I just would reiterate, communication is the absolute key here. And obviously, I'm going to vote to approve this contract extension. But I, again, feel very reassured that the people that were going to do this know what they're doing. And I also thank Dave and your staff. I mean, this is a tough assignment, man, I understand. |
| 01:38:06.49 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, I want to echo the comments that have already been made and thank our staff and again, our staff and Dave for stepping in. You got, I mean, a heroic effort on the 14th, 15th, and 16th, 17th, 18th of February. to get it turned around. And everybody remember that was Dave's second day on the job? Was that first day as our interim public works director? So thank you. And Harrison Associates, thanks for coming. Do we need to add another term to the agreement with regard to assistance to the individual people and helping them advising and navigating through FEMA with regard to our new friend, William Llewellyn? Should we add that to our, do we need to do that with a motion? |
| 01:38:48.52 | Adam Politzer | I think it's understood, but you can put that in the motion. |
| 01:38:53.03 | Michael McCormick | I mean, we commit to doing it. We don't need to formally add it to our scope of work, but if you want to include it in the motion, that is fine by us because we're committed to it. |
| 01:39:01.73 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you, thank you for that. And my next comment is, This can be on top of everything else, as Ray said, the trauma of what happened and moving through this. But also now the second trauma of trying to navigate through all the different avenues by which you have a right to reimbursement, just getting past the initial no. is so daunting for the residents. So thank you so much for helping them, advise them through that. And my second concern is something that I voiced on February 18th, which is continuing concern about the risk from mudslides, not just in this area, or continue mudslides in this area, but also throughout town. So that's one of the things that I asked Dave about. whether or not we could scope this out to address some of those other mudslide areas. And I understand that that's too much for this effort and that's fine, but I don't want to lose sight of those other areas that have been subject to mudslides. And something that I mentioned on the February 18th was setting up a task force in Sausalito to address the geologic issues in Sausalito and the way to move forward with regard to a risk assessment. I think that's a great question. throughout Sausalito. perhaps we can be THEIR OWNERS. future mudslides, and so I'd like to re-propose that tonight and request that the mayor either consider that tonight or We set it for an agenda at a future time, but I think now is the time to do it. When we have Harris and associates working with us and we're going through this very specific attention on the mudslide area at issue tonight. but also And keep looking at the mudslide that happened in approximately the same area. 25 years ago in the other mudslide areas that we have in town. So I would like to make that proposal. I don't know if I need to make a motion or if I just need to make the request or what I need to do about that. Setting up a task force, I guess I'll let the mayor respond to that. No, you can make a motion on that. |
| 01:41:03.05 | Unknown | I would support it, but go ahead. Thank you. |
| 01:41:06.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:41:07.96 | Joan | We already agreed, we just said we had to get through the mitigation before we commenced the risk assessment. |
| 01:41:10.09 | Jill Hoffman | that we had to get. the mitigation. for I feel like we're at the time though that we can do that. And if we decide to PUT IT OUT NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE We're going to set up a task force, we'll take applications, we'll do some interviews at the next city council meeting and then make appointments at the next city council meeting. Because I want that task force to have the benefit of the ongoing work. And the work that Harrison Associates is doing now and the staff is doing. And so that's why I think there's a certain level of urgency. And people that might be interested, there's a high level right now. Thank you. |
| 01:41:46.23 | Unknown | I really don't want to mix it up with the action we're taking right now with Harris. |
| 01:41:46.27 | Jill Hoffman | I really don't want to make it. |
| 01:41:50.18 | Unknown | Yeah, that's fine. |
| 01:41:50.20 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:41:50.22 | Joan | Yeah, that's fine. Why don't we do it when we do at the end of our agenda when we look at task force and stuff like that. Sure. I'm happy to do that. That's fine. |
| 01:41:57.54 | Jill Hoffman | I'm happy to do that. That's fine. Talk about a future day. Yeah. OK. And then that's the end of my thanks again. |
| 01:42:04.48 | Unknown | All right. Show. |
| 01:42:06.36 | Joan | Thanks, so I too want to thank Harris and our city staff. And I too am very reassured by hearing from the experts, so it was great that you were here tonight. I think one of the key priorities, obviously timeline, maximum reimbursement for the city but also to preserve the personal property rights of the owners and the tenants of the properties affected. And I think it's important for you to know that the first no from an insurance company is not always the final answer. |
| 01:42:30.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:42:41.78 | Joan | Sometimes you have to push back on that initial no. A no to a layperson may not be a no to a lawyer. And so I hope that Mr. Llewellyn and others providing advice will understand that insurers always say no to big losses first. And you have to push back and be firm with what you're seeking. It is reassuring to me to know that if the no becomes permanent that there are FEMA and other resources available to those affected. I agree with my other council members that we have to communicate. I'm reassured that Harris will develop a communication plan for which they may even be able to be reimbursed from FEMA I'd like to, ensure that Abbott Chambers continues to work with Harris to keep our residents apprised of what's going on. including the impending heavy construction work and the impacts to the neighborhoods and the fact that we all have to invest in the well-being of our neighbors and put up with some of the inconvenience that will be associated with that. And then finally, I think that while we have to continue to focus on mitigating the damage, we have to now start planning to prevent this type of tragedy in the future. And we have to get some of that planning done before the next rainy season. So I've spoken with a couple of engineers who tell me there is technology to survey hillsides and assess their vulnerabilities for land movement and other types of geological events. And I think we need to get moving. on that process because we're in May and rainy season can start as early as October and it takes time to hire people. I think that we have to start working on a dual track to start to do risk assessment in addition to mitigating our emergency. Thanks. |
| 01:44:49.56 | Unknown | Well, we'll talk about that at CIP budget to plan for that then. I'm going to just say I agree with everything everybody said. And one item that wasn't touched on, Rich Vasquez asked about causation, touched on that. And, Rich, that conversation is still going. We've completely separated it from the cleanup and all that, but it's not that it's not taking place. It is. It's a long dance, and it's a negotiation and a whole different dance that we are involved in. When we get information, we'll bring that available as well. That also speaks to kind of this, you know, looking at the next steps that you also brought up on where are we at risk. So thank you for that comment, and that is going on as well. So, yeah, I support it, and I'll be looking to support the motion and the $25,000. |
| 01:44:52.89 | Joan | there. |
| 01:44:52.97 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:44:52.99 | Joan | Yeah. |
| 01:44:53.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:45:41.08 | Joan | I move we approve and authorize the city manager to execute amendment number one to the professional consulting services agreement with Harrison Associates for Sausalito Emergency Disaster Recovery Advisory Services, including the services of William Llewellyn in coordinating the responses to affected residents. |
| 01:46:02.53 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. That motion passes 5-0. Thank you all. |
| 01:46:03.69 | Kevin McGowan | I, |
| 01:46:04.13 | Gary Testa | Thank you. |
| 01:46:11.36 | Unknown | Thank you all. So next up, we're going to have item 6B. And if you just came in or have come in since the beginning of the meeting, I'll say again. This is an item, we're looking at the 19, 2019, 2020 budget and the CIP, the Capital Improvement Board. So we're going to hear that item in its entirety, however, based on Information we've been receiving, there's a conversation to be had on trees at the athletic fields of MLK. So I'm going to separate that discussion simply because Council Member Joan Cox is going to recuse herself. We want to hear her for all the other tree discussions at the other properties as well as the entire CIP. So we're going to do everything, even trees, not at the athletic fields. So if you want to talk about trees on Bridgeway or Caledonia or anything else, bring that up. At this point, only the MLK property will we talk about just in a slightly separate amendment to this item. So if you do have, like I have Meg, is that for trees, MLK? Okay. . |
| 01:47:15.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:16.10 | Unknown | MLK, yes he is. And Jana, or Jan, MLK? Is Jan still here, Jan Johnson? |
| 01:47:23.99 | Joan | She says all. |
| 01:47:24.95 | Unknown | All. All? Okay, then when you do, I'll have you give your comments separate about MLK, because again, we're having Joan recuse herself. |
| 01:47:35.21 | Susan | Can you really not listen to public comment? We're going to have to let everybody speak twice. |
| 01:47:41.74 | Joan | Do we need a break? Mary has not given me any different instructions. |
| 01:47:43.14 | Unknown | So we don't get any different. We have a couple items. Council was like take a break. We get the break right now. Fine. Okay, good. Let's take a 5 minute break. 5 minutes. |
| 01:47:53.26 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:47:53.47 | Susan | I just want to. |
| 01:47:55.52 | Unknown | I feel like we could understand. |
| 01:47:57.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:57.11 | Unknown | . |
| 01:47:57.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:47:58.88 | Unknown | And now we've been... |
| 01:48:00.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:00.35 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:48:00.77 | Unknown | Be careful where we go. |
| 01:48:01.67 | Unknown | All right, we are now going to open up to the CIP program update. If you're filling out a green card, simply just write on there MLK. And I appreciate that, thank you, just got one. |
| 01:48:01.95 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:48:02.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:48:19.96 | Unknown | And I'm going to turn it over to Yulia Carter, our Assistant City Manager, Administrative Service Director. We're going to talk about the CIP program as well as the three items that we added from the consent calendar, which are the two treasury reports and the contract. So, Yulia. Thank you. |
| 01:48:37.68 | Yulia Carter | Take your weight. All right, Mr. Mayor and City Council, I'm happy to introduce this item for you tonight. It is a continuation discussion from the previous Council meeting study session, budget study session for fiscal year 2019-20. second year budget, As you mentioned, Mr. Mayor, the prime focus on tonight's discussion will be our CAP program. But before I turn it to our interim public works director, I just wanted to refresh your memory again, what we discussed last at the last meeting and particularly VVI in the process. So you can see the budget timeline on the screen in front of you. We did have a council study session at the last meeting. In between, we had a finance committee meeting AND TO NINE. it's a official Second study session. And again, the focus on today's discussion will be CIP. We just want to make sure that we We are bringing forward the list of projects that were previously approved by the council And the corresponding funding level. And we want to reaffirm that this project still remain Council's priority for the upcoming budget. And with that, I want to turn it to Dave Bracken, our Interim Public Works Director, who will go over the list of projects themselves. |
| 01:50:08.21 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:50:08.25 | Yulia Carter | Okay, I'll get over here. |
| 01:50:09.97 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:50:10.31 | Yulia Carter | you |
| 01:50:10.37 | Kevin McGowan | you |
| 01:50:10.64 | Yulia Carter | Thank you. |
| 01:50:10.68 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:50:10.98 | Yulia Carter | you |
| 01:50:11.03 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:50:11.57 | Yulia Carter | you |
| 01:50:11.64 | Kevin McGowan | you So that's it. Beautiful. Thank you. Good evening again, Mr. Mayor and council members. Yeah, when I started, I wasn't really expecting a major mudslide. I wasn't really expecting to... take such a big part in your capital improvement program and budget but here I am. and I'll do the best I can on this. Just you have to forgive me for not being familiar with a lot of these projects. Uh, Anyhow. THEIR OWNERS. You know, I just wanted to mention one thing in the staff report, for Yulia, if you look at the second page of the discussion, the first full paragraph, That's a really good description. The five year capital improvement program versus capital budget THE FAMILY. I was impressed with that. And the rest of the staff report, which Julia I think did most of the authoring on. Anyhow, what we started with, and when I say we as the Public Works Department, Just see if I can navigate this. We started with, give me a minute here and get my papers sorted. |
| 01:51:36.55 | Kevin McGowan | I may have missed. We started with this document. I'm not sure. THAT LISTED Capital projects. in a two-year capital project. budget. 2018 through 2019. THE END OF I'm not sure. and went through all of these projects And if you want to just stop me and ask me about any of these projects at any time, please do so. When we went through these projects, they had two columns, the council approved two columns, 1819 and then 1920, And many of the projects lapped Bethesda for years. Uh, And the ones in blue are or grant funding. But anyhow, this was our start. And then we looked at these numbers, we totaled them out first. the two fiscal years. And thought, do we need more money? Do we need less money? Uh, just a second look at all of these. and going through that. |
| 01:52:49.98 | Kevin McGowan | We came up with This was added projects. |
| 01:52:54.65 | Susan | Dave, you've got to speak into the microphone, because. |
| 01:52:58.08 | Kevin McGowan | Yeah, let me just look at my notes here. |
| 01:52:58.50 | Unknown | Just look at that. Yeah. you |
| 01:53:04.19 | Kevin McGowan | So we first said in addition to those projects that were approved, What projects do we need to add? And, uh, that all of these added projects, as you can see, relate to landslides. I'm not sure. New landslides, landslides as like Bridgeway, between Bridgeway and Woodward. I'm sorry. And we have additional requests on that because I looked at that with staff. and thought some of the funding wasn't quite enough. on them. So we, We came up with a total project cost. We also prioritize them. And, uh, the San Carlos slide. probably should be a priority one. but that's a little bit out of our you know that's involving several private property owners. And But anyhow, they all should be number one. as far as a priority of one to three goes. Um, And then as I mentioned, we came up with some projects that were approved that needed additional funding Um, If you look at the, and some of the funding on these projects was revised through the fiscal year. Council. And some of them, even with that, were looking for additional funding. Now the one on MLK, I guess are we talking about MLK now, or are we going to In general. The additional funding we need for MLK is for the pickleball courts. We have had some change orders on that project, but nothing exorbitant at all. It's been pretty well controlled. Um, the gate six road improvements is completely funded by grants, but that's, exceeded anybody's expectations for cost. on that and I can't really tell you the history of that and why That's so much more now. I can get you that information if you need that. It has gone up significantly, as you can see. Um, And then the storm drain master plan is simply, we'd spend $2,500 more than than what we originally had budgeted. |
| 01:55:33.02 | Kevin McGowan | And then on top of what I've shown you, Another list of projects that aren't included |
| 01:55:43.89 | Kevin McGowan | in the budget. Martin Luther King trees. This just came to me recently, this list. And apparently parks and rec can acquire that $50,000. The Court lights. which wasn't included in the original contract. And we want to add that. Um, And then Pedestrian Bicycle Advisory Committee requests and I'll just go through them the Bridgeway bike lane pilot project That's $25,000 for a design. proposal. Downtown red zones, they had issues, and I did attend that last PBAC meetings. There are issues with the loading zones and trucks blocking bike paths, blocking through lanes to do their loading and unloading. So we wanted to look at that and see if there was a way THE CALL-BOUTS ARE something additional red zones. uh, to alleviate that problem. And then the Coloma crosswalk that was brought up at that last P-BAC meeting. Thank you. And I think that's a good question. That would be a mid block crosswalk on Paloma right at the park. which is always difficult. It's always frowned on by by the experts, but there are ways to make that work. I'm not sure. with a lot of flashing signs, that kind of thing. But in addition to just striping a crosswalk and putting up flashing, warnings. accessibility issues, you always have to put in handicap ramps and that type of thing, accessible ramps. So we're looking at $60,000 for that. And then the pavement marking, Bridgeway, Napa to Princess. I'm not sure. you It's just re-striping Bridgeway to make it more amenable to bicyclists. And then total on that is 315,000. And then... |
| 01:58:05.35 | Kevin McGowan | I think the manager advised me just a little bit ago that we wanted to add a at a guardrail replacement program. And this is, I can't give you, well, we heard about one specific location earlier. but there are a lot that I've just noticed driving through town. A lot of guardrails that aren't there, that are deteriorated, that should be there. what not. So a suggestion for that would be maybe put $50,000 a year into that as an ongoing program. but that's just a suggestion. Other than that one location, I can't really. |
| 01:58:47.69 | Unknown | Let's ask a couple questions on these items. I know we have a few brewing here. Joan, go ahead. |
| 01:58:47.74 | Kevin McGowan | THE END OF Let's ask a couple questions. |
| 01:58:51.41 | Joan | Great, thank you. And thank you for the updated presentation in our staff report. You took seriously our request at the Finance Committee and you added some additional columns, including sources, which is so very helpful. So what I'm going to do is put you on the spot about these projects not included in the budget and ask you about some potential sources for these projects. So for example, when we're talking about trees and lights, I'm wondering, we have county measure A, |
| 01:59:06.64 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah. |
| 01:59:26.56 | Joan | Um, In our funding sources, we have $205,000 at the bottom of the last page of our funding sources. And it seems to me that Measure A funds are ideally suited for Trees and such. And so has any work been done to consider? Can you flip back to that last slide that was so great? |
| 01:59:50.03 | Kevin McGowan | Yeah, let me just, I'm looking for that slide too. Thank you. |
| 01:59:55.06 | Joan | You were just on it. Yeah. The last one that was added today. I'm sorry. That one. Yes. So see, the chart you put in the staff report has in it |
| 01:59:55.92 | Kevin McGowan | you |
| 02:00:05.10 | Joan | Funding sources. |
| 02:00:07.95 | Kevin McGowan | Do we have the staffer, the spreadsheet on here? We don't. OK, I'm sorry. |
| 02:00:14.33 | Joan | That's okay. I'm asking you whether we could consider using Measure A funds. to bridge this gap. for things of that nature. |
| 02:00:26.95 | Kevin McGowan | I'm going to pass that question on to either the manager or the finance director. I think right now. |
| 02:00:31.32 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think right now measure A funds are earmarked for Southview Park. And again, based on the outcome of that construction project, if there are either measure O or measure A funds left over, then those monies can roll back into extra projects. |
| 02:00:54.04 | Joan | So I'm going to challenge you on that because it's not listed as a funding source on this for Southview Park. Southview Park has listed the grant and measure O and COPs. So that's why I didn't see measure A anywhere in the funding sources list, which is why I was asking I see Yulia Carter has an answer. And again, we just got this information today, so I'm sorry I didn't ask these questions sooner. |
| 02:01:24.06 | Kevin McGowan | You'll see. |
| 02:01:24.18 | Joan | YOU WILL HIT A LITTLE BIT. |
| 02:01:24.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:01:24.48 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:01:26.10 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:01:26.89 | Kevin McGowan | Sure. |
| 02:01:29.24 | Yulia Carter | What you see as a grant, that would be measure A. So it's a little bit of a misconception here. |
| 02:01:33.39 | Kevin McGowan | I am. |
| 02:01:35.78 | Joan | Okay. |
| 02:01:40.04 | Joan | So again, and again, I'm just sorting my way through this. So Yulia, in the funding sources at the bottom of the chart, it has separate monies called grant. which is 1.2 million dollars. with an additional 710. So how are we to know when we're looking at this that says grant, which grant this is referring to because there are a number of I'm, I'm, titles under funding sources that says grant, and then you have three different Funding sources also make reference to grants. |
| 02:02:19.68 | Yulia Carter | we can provide additional information and breakdown of the finance committee. |
| 02:02:24.91 | Joan | Well... Okay, but I think we're being asked to approve this tonight. All right. it, I just would like, I guess we've gotten dozens of letters regarding trees in Dunphy Park and And trees in general, so I would just like to. know what our potential funding sources are for these projects that are not included in our budget. |
| 02:02:53.24 | Adam Politzer | Mr. Mayor, if I can just respond to Council Member Cox's comments there and question. What we're asking the council to do tonight is to confirm the priorities and looking at these additional not included in the budget. If the council wants us to look for funding sources, I think that's what Julia said that we'll bring back to the finance committee and then bring back to the council assuming that we can take on these projects. So we're looking for direction. First, to confirm the items that we had already addressed and approved in the original process, plus the additional slide dollars that were originally in the staff report. And then these new projects asking for direction on moving forward. I do believe that there are various grants and funding sources like Measure A and other county and state funds, you can see on the list there's safe routes for school for the Coloma crosswalk. So if we get direction, we will maximize the effort to review what grants are eligible for these different projects, including the PBAC items where we would look to TAM, Transportation Authority of Marin, to see what funding sources they may have to help offset some of the costs associated with this, as well as, for example, the Marin County Bicycle Coalition, another... opportunity to work with them. |
| 02:04:28.79 | Joan | Thank you. The reason I ask is that some of these funds are earmarked in such a way as they can only be used for certain specific projects. So it's important that we carefully consider how best to maximize them as Mr. City Manager just said we would. My other question is, when we heard the report on Dunphy Park, we were told the Bocce Court lights were $85,000. And now it's $65,000. Were we able to realize some savings? |
| 02:04:53.19 | Adam Politzer | It's a typo made by me. I had 65 in my head and That's what got written down, but Andy Davidson, our senior engineer, made note of that at the beginning of the meeting that it's 85,000. And what I did want to confirm to the council is that it's exclusively for the Bocce Ball Court. I was hoping that 85,000 also provided lighting for the pathways while the parks are opened on the dusk, and it is not included in that $85,000 fee. |
| 02:05:26.70 | Joan | Now that is different from what we were told at our last meeting. |
| 02:05:30.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:05:31.09 | Adam Politzer | Oh, yeah. |
| 02:05:31.31 | Unknown | Thank you. We did clarify it at the last meeting, though, that it was, we had a meeting before, I think. We've had that discussion. But, yeah, it is a lot. Ray, you had a question? |
| 02:05:43.29 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I think a little bit more clarity on the funding sources would be helpful as Council Member Cox My question is, and I want to just ask, you know, make sure I fully understand what you're asking of us tonight. I know you've said you want direction, but I'm struggling with that. Because I'm looking down this list, I actually compared it. I've got the 2018 presentation here as well, so I've been cross checking as you've been going along. You've got sources. general fund in many instances, right? How can we possibly determine a priority for, well you can determine a priority in terms of a wish list. But in terms of reality, until you actually see the general fund budget, How can you start discussing whether something It just doesn't make sense to me. You know, you've got, I mean, I've sort of done a mental calculation of what is being potentially pull from the general fund and I know there isn't money in the general fund for all of this. I mean, there just isn't the money. So, Again. What exactly are you asking us? And I'm sorry for being sort of like pressing this, but. |
| 02:07:13.62 | Adam Politzer | The short answer is twofold. One is to confirm what we prioritized two years ago or a little over a year and a half ago is still our priority, which is in the primary budget column for the second year. And second, give us direction on the items that are not in the budget to go and seek, funding to bring those forward. And you're absolutely correct, at the end of the day, there'll be more requests than we have funds for and we'll give the council options and as our interim public works director said at a couple meetings earlier, some of these will need to be phased, some of these will need to be just reduced. And an example are streets, we put in the total cost of what we think is required to keep up with our pavement management program, and continuing to pave streets aggressively as we committed to do with Measure O. But if you look at the P-back items there as Councilmember Cox has stated, we can look at gas tax potentially as a funding source for some of those projects. So again, I think we're asking to confirm what was approved originally, give us direction on what you think are items that are important to bring back. And give staff direction working with the finance committee to discuss those items and discuss those funding sources and come back with a recommendation on the 11th. I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. |
| 02:08:55.60 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:08:55.84 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:08:55.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay, go ahead. Um, Bridgeway, Napa to Princess, there's only 70,000 there. We had talked, or the last I heard, and maybe there's been a different conversation since, that project would require a street underlayment change because we have cement and asphalt, that wouldn't be covered in the 70s. So is there a change in possibly putting the paint on the current street, or is that just a number that reflects consulting fee and. I see Andy coming up behind you. You don't have to worry about it, he's right behind you. |
| 02:09:34.18 | Andy Davidson | Yeah, yeah. Hi, Andy Davidson. Some kind of engineer. So that particular item is not the Princess to Richardson, which is where we've got the issues going on right there. The Bridgeway to the Napa to Princess, |
| 02:09:47.39 | Steven Woodside | Ha ha. |
| 02:09:54.43 | Unknown | Not but a prayer. |
| 02:09:55.30 | Andy Davidson | Napa to Princess, right? I know where Napa is. It's right out in front of us. So that's, I think Dave mentioned, reconfiguring, looking at the bike lanes, looking at the traffic lanes, not really redoing the pavement section. |
| 02:09:55.37 | Unknown | Thank you. I know where NAPA is. It's right out in front of us. |
| 02:10:04.52 | Unknown | Yep. |
| 02:10:09.51 | Unknown | Got it. Sorry for that. I really do know where Napa Street is. I don't know how I'd completely miss that. I was thinking Richardson the whole time. But that project obviously isn't on here, so we'll talk about that as well. |
| 02:10:23.11 | Kevin McGowan | Yeah. Yes, I'm a little familiar with that. But that would, the Princess to. God, it has been out of construction. |
| 02:10:31.06 | Unknown | That's going to be hundreds of thousands. That's a big project. |
| 02:10:31.89 | Kevin McGowan | Hundreds of thousands. That's a big project. And that's going to take a lot of design work if you go ahead and do it. I see some complications with the concept of that. |
| 02:10:45.27 | Unknown | A couple items that aren't on here, and I'm looking at the park and rec director. I know we're hoping at some point maybe tennis screens. Are there any other parts in your area as we are finishing these parks that have not been, I know we have bocce lights on there. Any other items that we haven't identified here? |
| 02:11:05.03 | Unknown | Sorry. |
| 02:11:07.41 | Mike Langford | Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor. There's always more to do in the parks. In fact, I was talking with some tennis folks today that MLK, sometime in the future the tennis court's going to need to be redone much like we did at, excuse me, at Marinship, much like we did at MLK. Hopefully not as extensive. And then of course there's Langendorf Park and Casno Park that still need to be rehabbed in the future. you |
| 02:11:34.04 | Unknown | THANK YOU. |
| 02:11:34.31 | Mike Langford | Thank you. |
| 02:11:34.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:11:34.51 | Joan | Two more questions. Um, For the PBAC items, have we reached out to the Marin County Bicycle Coalition, which has lots of funding available for some of these types of projects. |
| 02:11:53.24 | Adam Politzer | Mayor Cox, I think you're going to hear a presentation from the PVEC here on the next item. I think that's probably the best better asked of them. |
| 02:11:56.55 | Joan | from the people. |
| 02:12:01.61 | Joan | Okay, and then on the treasury reports that we received for the last quarter and the first quarter, on the last page there are three items in the red. And I wanted to know where in our, and they have an asterisk stating that we will address those items in the red in our 2019-20 budget discussion, so I'd like to know where. In this discussion, we will address those items. |
| 02:12:33.30 | Kevin McGowan | I'm hoping someone else can answer that. |
| 02:12:37.77 | Yulia Carter | So the next council meeting, we will bring you base budget and some of the recommendations that go with that. |
| 02:12:38.16 | Kevin McGowan | at the night. |
| 02:12:45.28 | Yulia Carter | This item, particular item, will be addressed at that point. So we are still proposing, as we discussed at the Finance Committee, we still Proposing to reduce the deficit or maybe eliminate it for the budget. and the transfers will be built into, well, to your approval, of course. into the budget. And we will bring it forward in the next meeting. |
| 02:13:06.43 | Joan | So all of these sources listed at the bottom of the second page, none of these sources are being utilized to address those items in the red. On the Treasury report? |
| 02:13:22.17 | Yulia Carter | Well, the items in the right you're referring to are negative fund balances in our risk management fund. And then we have the fund |
| 02:13:27.64 | Joan | And then we have the fund balances here. |
| 02:13:30.10 | Yulia Carter | Right, so these items And again, I don't want to divert from this CIP discussion, but this items most likely will have to come out of general fund. Because these are operating expenditures for the city. |
| 02:13:35.30 | Joan | Okay. |
| 02:13:39.62 | Joan | Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:13:44.21 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:13:44.23 | Joan | That's it. |
| 02:13:44.55 | Jill Hoffman | Mr. Mayor. |
| 02:13:46.22 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:13:46.24 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:13:48.52 | Jill Hoffman | I have a couple questions. And this is just with regard to the parks, the MLK improvements, Dumpy Park and Southview Park. |
| 02:13:48.55 | Unknown | I have. |
| 02:13:59.70 | Jill Hoffman | It would be helpful if, It would be helpful just for the parks if you would add another column or another notation there. You know what the original COP funding was for these things and then sort of how we're drawing down on that original COP funds. Because I see the fund, because it's hard to tell. I think that's a good question. the asks, right, so I'm looking at the column. Just for MLK, just for example, 1.4 million and change in the 18-19 and it's up to 1.5 and some change by fiscal year 18-20. But I don't know how much has been, I can't tell from this how much has been already spent. How much was originally allocated with the COP funds? How much we've already gone through and now what's our total tally? each of these parks with regard to assessing prioritizing what we're spending on the parks, right? So to raise point, when we get the total amount of our general fund and the total amount from other funds, we really don't know where we're at with regard to the parks and prioritizing. If we're way over, and I'm not saying that we are, and I'm not saying I have a preconceived anything on this, but we have to know that in our decision making process, so when we're looking at Boche ball courts for Dumpy Park, for instance, and this is just an example. For $65,000, if we're already a million over for Dumpy Park, it may be okay. we're going to fund a road or we're going to repave something and maybe perhaps we have to put a pause on this. I'm just putting that out as an example. I'm not telling you what my thought is on that specific item, I'm just saying it's hard for me to assess. the way this is set out with regard to just those three items on the parks. As I work my way down through this, I know I'm going to have more questions, but those three things. just jump out at me and also our mission here tonight or what we're tasked with here tonight. I'm not entirely sure that I'm ready to. I don't have all of the information right now. And I certainly haven't had it in a, I've been furiously sending emails to Julia and Adam throughout the day on these things. And I'm trying as best as I can to get up to speed and prepared. But I don't think I have what I need to give a responsible direction tonight. I just veered into comments, I'm sorry. |
| 02:16:32.22 | Unknown | Do you want to quickly address Do you want to quickly address the COP? We've exceeded all that money, right? You know that all the money. |
| 02:16:38.04 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, that's fine. |
| 02:16:40.91 | Unknown | That the COP is allocated to each park has been surpassed and we've been digging into other pockets at this point. |
| 02:16:45.21 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, but it's certainly, well, I don't know, funding sources here say COP. |
| 02:16:49.25 | Susan | I'm just trying to find it, but at our last, I think it was our last city council meeting or two prior, we had an extensive staff report that showed all of the funding sources for every part of every park. But it didn't have the drawdown. |
| 02:17:02.42 | Jill Hoffman | It didn't happen. Thank you. |
| 02:17:04.03 | Susan | Did it? what had already been, I'm pretty sure it said what had already been expended and what |
| 02:17:05.41 | Jill Hoffman | What happened? |
| 02:17:10.22 | Susan | was still planned. |
| 02:17:11.81 | Jill Hoffman | And what's the original? I'm just looking for it. It was either on the 30th |
| 02:17:14.76 | Susan | Thank you. |
| 02:17:14.96 | Jill Hoffman | And what the original COP allocation was? Okay. |
| 02:17:18.03 | Susan | Okay. |
| 02:17:18.08 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Great, that's great, that'd be great information. I haven't had that, so I haven't been able to review it. |
| 02:17:19.60 | Susan | Great. |
| 02:17:23.40 | Susan | been able to review it. We did, I mean we did have it at our last |
| 02:17:26.02 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, but I didn't get it today in the context of what we're asked to do today with the CIP. tasker that we've been given. |
| 02:17:34.18 | Yulia Carter | And... |
| 02:17:34.40 | Jill Hoffman | So. |
| 02:17:34.79 | Yulia Carter | I just want to clarify, so it is correct. There was a digital staff report brought forward to you at the two council meetings before. at the same date when we first discussed the mid-year budget adjustment. And so what you see in today's attachment, 1.4 million, all of this money we've already allocated and already budgeted as part of the fiscal year 18-19 revised budget. So what is before you today is only additional 99,000. Everything else is already in the budget. All the transfers, all the allocation, all the drawdowns, all the change orders, we're already captured up to this point. So it's all included in 1.4 million that you can see in the column, total revised fiscal year 18-19. |
| 02:18:26.99 | Jill Hoffman | you I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE So then I can go back and look at, do you recall what city council date that was and what page on the report? |
| 02:18:36.23 | Yulia Carter | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:18:36.86 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. I mean, you don't have to answer it right now, I mean, unless someone else has a burning... |
| 02:18:47.91 | John Robacher | Thank you. |
| 02:18:48.03 | Unknown | We'll be right on. |
| 02:18:52.81 | Jill Hoffman | No, I don't know. Are we done? Okay. Any other questions? |
| 02:18:52.84 | Unknown | Thank you. Are we done? Okay. Any other questions? |
| 02:18:54.98 | Jill Hoffman | I don't know, I think Julia is looking for what report that information was contained in. |
| 02:18:59.86 | Unknown | Okay. We'll open up to public comment while Yulia is researching that. for you. Thanks. This is public comment on the CIP items. Are there any discussion? Again, we're going to do MLK athletic trees later, but right now just on the other parts. Carolyn. |
| 02:19:26.79 | Carolyn Revell | Good evening, I'm Carolyn Revell with this beautiful board. I'd like to advocate for our funding priorities in the 2018-24 Capital Improvements Program. Our board agreed that trees are our main priority this year. planting the right tree in the right place, excuse me, in parks and along streets is one of the greatest long-term investments our city can make. And we wrote a letter outlining our priorities. We gave it to the Finance Committee, and I put copies tonight for the rest of the board, the committee. Our recommendations for replacing the dying Cal repairs on Bridgeway would come from the operations budget, so we're not going to talk about that tonight. I'll focus just on Caledonia Street, and later our colleague Lisa Cialino will talk about MLK at the appropriate time. But first, just a concern about process. The tree planting fund request for Caledonia, doesn't appear anywhere in your spreadsheet. for discussion this evening, despite our understanding that staff would bring it forward. We've been told that the correct procedure is to express our budget requests to staff in consultation |
| 02:20:29.63 | Unknown | Bring it. |
| 02:20:37.50 | Carolyn Revell | And we do meet regularly with Mike Langford and Lauren Umbertas, and we did discuss this in our meetings of April 25th and May 9th. And we've also been participating in the budget process by coming to the Finance Committee meetings. We very much value our partnership with the city. trying to enhance our public green spaces, but we're a bit baffled why Caledonia Street didn't make the cut so that you could at least be considering it this time. It was not funded last year, we understand, but it at least was listed as a priority three. Thank you. And we'd like at least to be considered by you. Regarding Caledonia Street, as you probably remember, we've been working since 2016 with staff on trying to get trees planted in Caledonia. We had a survey of residents. The Bartlett report was commissioned, you may remember, which made recommendations about maintenance. And the city did finally plant five trees so far. Our budget request is for $20,000 for the next three years in the CIP to add new trees or replace ones that have been removed, 10 trees a year. There are many positive benefits from adding street trees to our residents serving main street, providing a shaded environment for pedestrians, patrons of sidewalk cafes, and people sitting there watching the parade go by on the 4th of July, and street fairs. enhancing property values for businesses and residential owners, providing environmental benefits in an era of climate change, enhancing Sausalito's image as a uniquely beautiful town. So we ask that the Council consider $20,000 a year for Caledonia Street tree planting. There are a couple of items that you'll find on the list that we're not advocating for this year. Improvements to civic center landscape still shows up, and we still like that, but that's not a priority. And then there's also something, 17,500 shown for bridgeway medians. And again, we understand from Mike that the grass medians are not under advisement. |
| 02:22:31.86 | Unknown | Thank you. Don't go away because I have a question for you. |
| 02:22:34.98 | Susan | Yeah, thank you for this, very helpful. On the Caledonia Street Trees, you estimate a budget of $20,000 per year for the next three fiscal years, and you say Sausalito Beautiful reiterates our offer to donate $5,000 to this tree planting program. So is that for the first year, which would bring the city's cost to 15, or is that an addition to the 20? |
| 02:23:01.36 | Carolyn Revell | That would be in addition to the 20, or it could be part of the 20. I don't know. We've had a discussion about it, and it's been an item in our budget standing ready to be used by the city as needed. It's about $25. |
| 02:23:11.55 | Unknown | about 2500 a tree then is. |
| 02:23:13.22 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. So I think it could be a deduction if you approved $15,000 and we gave $5,000. We figure about $2,000 a tree, 10 trees a year. And I think that the staff doesn't have the capacity really to put in more than 10 trees a year. It takes quite a lot of work to get the work done, so we're saying only 10 a year. |
| 02:23:21.83 | Unknown | music. |
| 02:23:32.68 | Susan | Great. Well, we really appreciate that offer. And that would just be the one year, the one time. That's what our current offer is. Yeah. |
| 02:23:37.52 | Carolyn Revell | That's what our current offer is, but we can always negotiate |
| 02:23:40.29 | Susan | Okay, all right. I wasn't trying to negotiate, I was just trying to get some clarity, so thank you. But, you know, maybe we will. So thank you, Carol. |
| 02:23:49.28 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. Are there any other questions? |
| 02:23:50.09 | Unknown | Thank you, Carolyn. |
| 02:23:51.00 | Carolyn Revell | at a good time. Thank you, Carrie. Thank you. And as I say, my colleague from the board will talk about MLK at the appropriate time. Thank you so much. |
| 02:23:58.60 | Unknown | Okay, sorry I'm going to go through these. Is there anybody else that doesn't look, everybody else looks to be MLK. So any other public comment on the CIP issues? Other than MLK, seeing none. Let's talk about, I'll bring it back up here because we're going to now talk about The three items. Treasury reports. Treasury reports and the contract. |
| 02:24:23.30 | Jill Hoffman | Did you want me to go through my questions? Yeah, please. Okay. All right, so I'm just going to go through really quickly items, right? The three items from the staff report, sorry, from the consent calendar. |
| 02:24:24.04 | Unknown | Yeah, please. |
| 02:24:25.90 | Gail | Yeah. |
| 02:24:25.92 | Unknown | I'm just going to give you a little bit. |
| 02:24:29.48 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:24:29.71 | Gail | the |
| 02:24:29.75 | Unknown | . |
| 02:24:36.04 | Jill Hoffman | which were, you approval items B, C, and D. B was the approval of the VTD audit firm, C was the Treasury report for first quarter of fiscal year 2018-19, and D, sorry, 5D on the consent calendar was the Treasury report for quarter Second quarter fiscal year 2018-19. So, and these are, I'm just going to go through these questions really, quickly that I sent to Julia. |
| 02:25:09.17 | Unknown | And do you want Yulia at the podium to answer this for you? |
| 02:25:09.54 | Jill Hoffman | THE FAMILY. Yeah, I think so. That's probably helpful. |
| 02:25:12.91 | Joan | Are these the questions she already answered in red? I'm going to ask her some follow up. |
| 02:25:16.10 | Jill Hoffman | I'm going to ask her some follow ups. I'm going to ask her some follow up questions on this. And the people that are watching haven't had the benefit of knowing my questions either. So I'm going to summarize some of them. Has the Q&A. |
| 02:25:27.04 | Joan | been uploaded to the |
| 02:25:28.96 | Jill Hoffman | website. |
| 02:25:29.65 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:25:29.67 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:25:31.22 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:25:31.24 | Jill Hoffman | The correspondence? |
| 02:25:32.91 | Unknown | These are going to be really quick though. |
| 02:25:34.75 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, it should be, but no objection to uploading if you want to. Okay, so the staff, the request for the contract for Vavrenek, Trin, Day and Company, and the abbreviation that staff report is BTD. So this is a public accounting firm that the city engaged last fall to help with the year end closure in preparation of the CAFR. Is that right? Yes. Yeah, okay. And so that company helped us finish the CAFR and now we're being asked, to extend that contract for We're extending it through the end of this fiscal year or how long is the request to extend? |
| 02:26:13.87 | Yulia Carter | We're extending it. |
| 02:26:20.40 | Yulia Carter | Well, actually the contract we request additional 25,000 for the contract. So we also request to extend the duration of the contract through the current fiscal year. |
| 02:26:26.15 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 02:26:32.53 | Yulia Carter | because our audit for the current fiscal year is around the corner. |
| 02:26:36.44 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:26:36.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:26:36.93 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so they're going to assist us with closing our books out for this fiscal year as well? Yes. And they're also assisting in the preparation of, they also assisted with the preparation of the mid-year budget? |
| 02:26:47.28 | Yulia Carter | No. |
| 02:26:47.97 | Jill Hoffman | No, okay, but are they assisting with the preparation of this budget? |
| 02:26:52.09 | Yulia Carter | Thank you. |
| 02:26:52.24 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:26:52.97 | Yulia Carter | The scope only includes the year end and preparation of the audit. |
| 02:26:57.77 | Jill Hoffman | And preparation of the what? Audit. Audit, okay. |
| 02:26:57.98 | Yulia Carter | I thought Bridget was. Audit. Audit, okay. Okay. Budget is just our internal process. |
| 02:27:04.14 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, great. OK. Thank you for that explanation. And my understanding is that they didn't prepare any reports, they just assisted with the preparation of the budget. |
| 02:27:16.08 | Yulia Carter | Yeah, they did the actual work. They actually assisted us with closing entries, producing some of the note disclosures for 68, 75 requirements. |
| 02:27:16.42 | Jill Hoffman | And closing the vote. |
| 02:27:26.45 | Yulia Carter | Thank you. All of this was discussed as part of the report. So the was actually kind of group project, if you say. |
| 02:27:34.46 | Jill Hoffman | Part of the comprehensive annual financial report. Right, exactly. Okay, thanks. |
| 02:27:37.31 | Yulia Carter | Okay. |
| 02:27:40.96 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, Adam, were you adding something about reports? Okay, I'm sorry, my apologies. |
| 02:27:55.61 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:27:56.43 | Jill Hoffman | Hold on, hold on. Okay, so, okay, great, thanks for that explanation. And then with regard to the treasurer's reports, which are items, C and D. I had a question, actually, and it |
| 02:28:19.91 | Jill Hoffman | Do we know, have we provided any other quarterly reports prior to the one that you provided. as item C, which is the first quarter report. The treasurer's report, so anyway, so the city's supposed to provide these treasurer reports to the finance committee quarterly. Correct. And we haven't done that in the past? That's correct. Is that correct? But we're required to do that by a code, by a state code. Okay, so have we ever done that in the past in Sausalito? |
| 02:28:47.67 | Yulia Carter | by a... Okay. |
| 02:28:53.81 | Yulia Carter | Well, I can't speak for the entire history of the city of Sicily there. To the best of my knowledge, it wasn't done in the previous year. |
| 02:29:00.78 | Jill Hoffman | In the recent years. |
| 02:29:01.39 | Yulia Carter | that we |
| 02:29:02.55 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, sorry, that was very broad. |
| 02:29:02.60 | Yulia Carter | Okay. Sorry. |
| 02:29:05.49 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so I'm just trying to get a history on the quarterly reports and where for treasurer's reports and where there might be a file of these or something. Is there a file of the court report somewhere? Anybody? No? OK. |
| 02:29:24.98 | Yulia Carter | Well, again, in the previous year, in fiscal year 17, 18, this work wasn't done, wasn't produced. And that's why we're reintroducing this item and we're moving forward in this direction. |
| 02:29:30.26 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 02:29:36.05 | Yulia Carter | Okay. Well, it doesn't mean that the city didn't close the books. We did, and we complied with the audit requirements. This was the item, specific item reporting to the council wasn't done on a quarterly basis. |
| 02:29:48.55 | Jill Hoffman | So one of the questions that I had with regards to the first quarter treasurer's report was that The city's investment portfolio decreased by $2,814,780. from 28 million. $300,000. change. and that, This is primarily attributable to expenditures related to capital improvement projects such as MLK and Dunphy Park improvements. as well as workers compensation insurance claims. So one of the questions that I asked this afternoon was, what was the number for expenditures related to capital improvements. And I don't see that there's been a response to that in the response that I received this evening. Do you have an idea of what that number is? |
| 02:30:36.46 | Yulia Carter | Well, I will have to research, I apologize. |
| 02:30:39.28 | Unknown | Are these questions related to decisions we make up here as a body or are you just curious on how we do things? It does. You can meet with the finance director in a timely fashion and ask these questions, because they are very relevant. |
| 02:30:39.34 | Yulia Carter | Are these questions related to the |
| 02:30:44.39 | Yulia Carter | It does. |
| 02:30:44.83 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 02:30:44.84 | Yulia Carter | Yeah. |
| 02:30:44.96 | Jill Hoffman | Well, it's- |
| 02:30:46.45 | Yulia Carter | Thank you. |
| 02:30:46.47 | Jill Hoffman | It's all. |
| 02:30:51.17 | Unknown | I'm not sure they have much to do with the decision we're making. We're not. |
| 02:30:53.84 | Joan | We're not approving anything, we're receiving and filing these reports. |
| 02:30:54.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:30:57.28 | Jill Hoffman | I got that, but our decision making process tonight, especially as it, which is germane to my earlier questions about Dumpy Park and how much we spent on the parks. |
| 02:31:06.14 | Unknown | you |
| 02:31:06.58 | Jill Hoffman | If our investment, as this quarterly report indicates that our investment And portfolio decreased by $2 million during the reporting period of the quarter ending September 30th, 2018. And that's related to Dunphy Park and MLK. then yeah, that's exactly germane to my earlier questions about how much have we spent on Dumpy Park and MLK. How do I assess that going forward and looking at this budget as it's presented? And the total spend on these parks. So yeah, I think it's directly relevant. |
| 02:31:34.98 | Unknown | I can't argue with the nexus you're going to draw on these, so just ask your question. |
| 02:31:37.92 | Jill Hoffman | conversation tonight. So I think the answer is that you don't know and you can't break it out tonight, but you can if you do some research. |
| 02:31:43.03 | Yulia Carter | But you can if you do some research. Well, if I may just make one comment. So the treasuries reports are usually not directly related to the budget. |
| 02:31:47.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:52.26 | Yulia Carter | So Treasury reports reflect the cash we have in the bank. quarter by quarter, and you will see, as you see, as you get used to see this reports on a quarterly basis, you will see the numbers will fluctuate from year to year. So the cash will decrease and increase depending on how much revenues we get in, how much expenditures we occur. in the quarter. So what you see, provide that explanation of why. the portfolio decreased in the first quarter. But if you flip in the second quarter, you can see it increase. And the explanation there is because we got the first remittance of the property tax. So it's not directly related to the budget. We can provide information how much we spend on park improvements. but it's not really directed directly related to the cash. Um, portfolio that we have in the bank or across all of our accounts. |
| 02:32:42.83 | Dula Biederman | Yeah. |
| 02:32:43.19 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 02:32:48.67 | Jill Hoffman | So thank you for that. I hope that helps. No, thank you for that explanation. |
| 02:32:49.20 | Yulia Carter | I'm not. |
| 02:32:54.28 | Jill Hoffman | feeling like you guys want me to move on and talk to Yulia and I don't want her to talk about this stuff. |
| 02:32:57.50 | Joan | When we pulled this from consent, you said it would be a couple of quick questions. So I think we're just expecting it to be a couple of quick questions. |
| 02:33:03.81 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. A couple of quick questions. It was, wasn't it? I'm a fast talker. Was it less than five minutes? Are you done? I didn't know. That's fine. That's fine. I have another question with regard to the EA |
| 02:33:09.23 | Joan | Are you done? I didn't know. Okay. |
| 02:33:15.94 | Jill Hoffman | E-R-A-F. which is interesting because that comes from schools, aid, and that is germane to my conversation tomorrow night at the |
| 02:33:26.78 | Jill Hoffman | at the But I can follow up with Yulia on those issues later. But I think that question was specifically with regard to our conversation tonight with the parks. Can I just do one follow up to Jill? |
| 02:33:41.04 | Joan | question. |
| 02:33:43.35 | Unknown | Yes, please. |
| 02:33:44.19 | Joan | With respect to the city's investment policies and the authority vested in the California Government Code, have the city's investments been managed in accordance with the city's investment policy and with the authority governing investments set forth in California's government code? |
| 02:34:03.85 | Yulia Carter | Yes, absolutely. Thank you. And this is part of the items the auditors look into. Right. During the audience. |
| 02:34:05.14 | Joan | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:34:07.82 | Jill Hoffman | Right. |
| 02:34:12.04 | Jill Hoffman | Great, and one of my questions to Yulia on that was to provide what's the actual language in our investment policy in both the COPs and with regard to the city. the city's policy, so if you're going to post my questions online, I would appreciate if you would. If you want to go, I think it'd be helpful if you went down and were able to answer all the questions and then post it that way. I think that'd be great. |
| 02:34:34.21 | Yulia Carter | Yeah, I actually sent the questions a little bit earlier today, so you probably didn't have a chance to look at it. No, I'm looking at it right now. But we will, yeah. |
| 02:34:38.93 | Jill Hoffman | No, I'm looking at it right now. Yeah, but I asked for the specific language and I haven't seen that yet. |
| 02:34:43.51 | Yulia Carter | It's an attachment, so I actually attach the policy. |
| 02:34:45.52 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay. |
| 02:34:46.93 | Yulia Carter | GREAT. |
| 02:34:47.02 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:34:47.15 | Unknown | Thank you. WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. |
| 02:34:52.03 | Ray Withy | I don't want to prolong this, but I just want to make a couple of comments in particular about the treasury reports. The last Treasury report I received was when Charlie Francis was here. I've probably got copies of them at home, actually. They were one page, one liners. Because all we had was the investment in I mean, we didn't really have anything else. We hadn't created the pension trust and the OPEB trust. And so they weren't that informative. I mean, this is the most detailed treasury report I've ever seen. to be honest, so I just wanted to make that comment because I think it's important. It's actually very helpful because you can actually see fund balances very quickly and so good for that. I think isn't part of the, to help answer one of the questions, isn't part of the reduction that two million, the use of fund balance for the capital improvements that we pulled out from the general fund in the end of last fiscal year. Which would have happened in July. |
| 02:36:17.40 | Yulia Carter | Right. And that's why the, well, I |
| 02:36:19.83 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:36:21.96 | Yulia Carter | presented treasury reports in the way that I thought would be helpful and useful. And the last page of the attachment would actually see the location in the general |
| 02:36:24.20 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:36:24.32 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 02:36:24.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:36:30.55 | Yulia Carter | across the funds. Thank you. how these funds are allocated so you can have informative decision moving forward when it comes to the budget or mid year or a decision point. |
| 02:36:40.32 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:36:40.67 | Yulia Carter | Even though there is no direct correlation between the cash and the budget, but indirectly it is. I see your point. So that's exactly why we are moving in this direction. |
| 02:36:49.40 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:36:52.45 | Yulia Carter | This on a quarterly basis, and you see it quarter by quarter. |
| 02:36:56.03 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I mean, I don't know about investment gains or losses, which are going to change the numbers actually. But I think two of the million are that, I think. Thank you. |
| 02:37:05.93 | Unknown | And because we do so many things at the same time, really a quarter one to quarter one comparison is probably more beneficial. So if we did have last year's quarterlies, that treasury report would probably be a little more than going quarter one to quarter two. Yeah, because you have trends. |
| 02:37:12.82 | Ray Withy | So. |
| 02:37:13.09 | Yulia Carter | Thank you. |
| 02:37:16.36 | Yulia Carter | Yeah, you will see it probably more important. Yeah, because you have tax increases. And one of the items we discussed at the finance committee when we talked about the financial operations in the CAFR and how we want to move them forward, we also want to produce in addition to the Treasury reports. So you can see actually quarter to quarter comparison As it relates to the budget. not just the cash. So hand to hand together they will give you all the information you need to make budgetary or financial decisions. |
| 02:37:48.90 | Ray Withy | Bye. So Mr. Mayor, to move things along with it. Yeah, do you want to do it? Thank you. I will move to approve formally consent items 5B, C, and D that were moved into this item. |
| 02:37:54.03 | Kim Huff | Yeah. |
| 02:37:54.04 | Yulia Carter | yeah |
| 02:37:54.58 | Unknown | YOU WANT TO DO IT. |
| 02:37:55.01 | Yulia Carter | Thank you. |
| 02:38:04.73 | Lisa | Bye. |
| 02:38:04.74 | Unknown | I can. |
| 02:38:05.10 | Lisa | Thank you. |
| 02:38:07.98 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. |
| 02:38:09.08 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 02:38:09.35 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:38:11.86 | Unknown | That passes 5-0. So thank you. Now let's get back to this. Thank you for that discussion. Now let's get back. We're going to affirm and we are going to get to the public comments. We're going to affirm the capital improvement program. That's all we're being asked tonight is to affirm the CIP. So let's have any discussions outside of MLK right now on some items, and then we will excuse Joan and hear the trees issues. Are there any other discussions on the CIP that we want to direct staff? And at this point, it's just a direction, correct? |
| 02:38:42.75 | Susan | Yeah. |
| 02:38:42.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:44.55 | Susan | So I just have, just to clarify, we're affirming the prior items in the prior budget and then we are being asked to indicate whether we would like staff to move forward with funding proposals for all of these items. And was Caledonia Street supposed to be on here? Is that omitted for a particular reason? |
| 02:39:10.62 | Adam Politzer | Sorry, I'm drawing a blank on Caldonia Street. |
| 02:39:12.95 | Susan | So Sausalito Beautiful made a presentation of $20,000 per year for approximately 10. |
| 02:39:15.55 | Joan | . |
| 02:39:15.58 | Julie Carlson | THAT THE |
| 02:39:16.14 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:39:20.73 | Susan | Trees and Grates on Caledonia Street. |
| 02:39:22.98 | Joan | They were saying that we previously had on our list of projects not included in the budget, the Caledonia Street trees. |
| 02:39:30.94 | Kevin McGowan | I understand. I'll take blame on that. It was my understanding was embedded in other projects. But obviously it's not. So we would want to include, or if you want to proceed with that project, you add it to this list. |
| 02:39:50.38 | Unknown | And we can also take it from Civic Center Landscape Beautification. |
| 02:39:50.43 | Kevin McGowan | We can also... |
| 02:39:54.60 | Joan | So in addition to these projects not included in the budget, on page two of our matrix, there are other projects not included in the budget, which are the slide repairs. |
| 02:40:06.06 | Kevin McGowan | Yes. Now you did have a what I'll call somewhat generic. Slide repair $200,000. |
| 02:40:15.68 | Joan | Yes. |
| 02:40:15.71 | Kevin McGowan | Yes. that wasn't spent, but we do, you know, it was divided into these five projects. |
| 02:40:25.34 | Joan | And then, |
| 02:40:25.38 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. and obviously more money. |
| 02:40:27.27 | Joan | Pursuant to our budget policies, we also have some reserve funds for emergencies that are set aside. |
| 02:40:36.97 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 02:40:37.02 | Unknown | I'll see you next time. |
| 02:40:37.06 | Kevin McGowan | I would. |
| 02:40:37.48 | Unknown | I assume you do. |
| 02:40:38.15 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 02:40:38.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:40:41.70 | Unknown | If I had my 1820 budget, somebody took it, I'd be able to tell you that number. |
| 02:40:49.17 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:40:53.19 | Joan | So here we are simply saying, our chart simply says general fund, it doesn't say. you know, Emergency Reserve or what? a portion of the general fund, and then three of these entries say FEMA, but we know that FEMA only compensates at a max 94%. It's just not clear to me where precisely where we're hoping. to fund the additional projects not identified last year. |
| 02:41:31.11 | Adam Politzer | On the slides, just for clarification, for Councilmember Cox's question, the general fund would be really reimbursed by insurance claims. So looking at what were required to pay out of the self-insured retention. Exactly. And then the insurance would cover the rest. |
| 02:41:53.23 | Joan | So then I think this has to be. So you are not really asking us for $175,000 from our general fund. So I think that clarification is important as we consider the request to fund projects not included in our initial budget. Because the outlay from the city turns out to be de minimis for most of these. |
| 02:42:19.84 | Kevin McGowan | We hope so. |
| 02:42:21.68 | Ray Withy | I think, Yulia, we've got about 970,000 in the disaster, is that right? |
| 02:42:26.20 | Joan | That's what I thought. Yeah. I said a million. Yeah. |
| 02:42:27.08 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:42:27.10 | Kevin McGowan | Yeah. |
| 02:42:27.17 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:42:33.33 | Joan | That's okay, I recalled it to be about a million. |
| 02:42:39.33 | Adam Politzer | Just going back to Council Member Cox's question and Council Member with these clarification on the dollar amount, I think it's important as you heard earlier that we're going to be putting money out front. Yes. And then getting reimbursed and as Mr. Bracken said earlier, could take up to two years to be reimbursed. So that's going to be part of our also discussion on funding strategy in terms of how to minimize the impact of the outflow of money. That cash flow issue. |
| 02:43:07.11 | Joan | That cash flow issue. |
| 02:43:08.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:08.31 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:43:08.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:43:08.39 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:43:08.42 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:43:10.79 | Unknown | We do show 20,000 on this document. |
| 02:43:15.24 | Unknown | Which document? |
| 02:43:15.93 | Unknown | The prior one that you had up our Kaplan project update, page one. We have the 20 but last year we had 80 for the 19-20 plan in red. So last year we decided not to do No, I'm sorry. I don't know which slide you have actually. It's the page one of our. |
| 02:43:42.58 | Susan | Staff report. |
| 02:43:43.25 | Unknown | Staff, well, I have our attachment one, page one of attachment one. Last year we had 19-20 proposed plan of 80,000 for the Civic Center going up to 100,000 in 2021. Another 100 in 2021, 22, 85 and 22, 23. |
| 02:44:02.39 | Joan | I don't have that exhibit in my staff. |
| 02:44:04.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:44:04.64 | Joan | you |
| 02:44:04.72 | Unknown | Thank you. You don't that last year's but I'm just curious on on that 20 if we're not going to do the 80 10 80 hundred do we then take that and apply it to. |
| 02:44:06.53 | Joan | Yeah. |
| 02:44:19.22 | Unknown | trees elsewhere. |
| 02:44:24.11 | Unknown | Does anybody remember what we did with that 80? It's in red on. last year I think we just didn't that's where we got to the point we did part of it yeah it's one category it is in |
| 02:44:31.03 | Adam Politzer | Part of it is, if you may, Mr. Mayor. |
| 02:44:36.97 | Unknown | It's a one. It was listed in the ones. on priorities. |
| 02:44:41.66 | Joan | So my recollection is that we took the items not funded from that spreadsheet and listed them on a separate sheet of projects not funded, which I thought was the source of Mr. Bracken's slide. you But I've not gone back and compared. |
| 02:44:59.38 | Unknown | The point is, his doesn't go out into the following years. Right. And this one does. Correct. That's the deal. If it's not in the following years, let's check bait on this year. |
| 02:45:02.72 | Joan | Correct. |
| 02:45:03.36 | Adam Politzer | That's, It's out. |
| 02:45:04.61 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:45:06.75 | Adam Politzer | Right. Correct. But you're sharing that it was in red in the following year. Correct, yeah. And part of that was we were looking at the double counting of the elevator money, if Council Member Withey remembers that conversation that we thought we might have money for the city hall with cost of the elevator. And so the project itself was beautification of the parking lot and the entrances here. |
| 02:45:11.63 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 02:45:33.25 | Adam Politzer | on the back side so that's what we were seeking money but in fact that money was not available and as we expected that the money wasn't available it had been spent so we were hoping there was a savings that can be redirected to the beautification on the back side of of city hall |
| 02:45:52.81 | Ray Withy | So again, to sort of move things along and cut through this. I mean, I think we're all in agreement that the last year's prioritization still stands, right? The only thing to really resolve is the new stuff. Correct. Is everybody on board with that? And we're directing. |
| 02:46:13.61 | Joan | And then the next step of that is that I think the five, the six projects that are new, sorry, the five projects that are new that relate to slide repairs are a no brainer. I think we have to you know, |
| 02:46:29.96 | Unknown | But here's a question. |
| 02:46:31.47 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:46:31.48 | Jill Hoffman | But here's a question, how do we prioritize those if we I mean, we're sort of saying we're putting this money out, but we're going to get back. But then Dave's telling us we may or may not get it back, I don't know. So, I mean, that's my question. |
| 02:46:43.30 | Joan | Two of these are general fund insurance funds where all we're potentially liable for is self insured retention. That's $500,000 of the 1.75. And then we know we have a million in our Rainy day in our emergency fund. So. |
| 02:47:03.73 | Ray Withy | Well, I would suggest that staff and the finance committee work at figuring out what the sources are for each of those including the disaster preparedness fund usage if needed and come back to us. |
| 02:47:17.87 | Joan | And then I'd like to have the Finance Committee do the very same thing for the items that were on the slide received by us today, including the drainage projects, which we don't know anything about yet. |
| 02:47:30.48 | Unknown | Okay, and I think |
| 02:47:31.37 | Joan | I mean the guardrail project. |
| 02:47:32.98 | Unknown | Yes, that is new information we need. On the slides, we have to commit to are we going to repair the slides. And I think we have to say yes at this point because it's not going to be a single finance committee meeting where we find out how much we're getting reimbursed on the major slide. We won't even know anything about Jean Hiller at that point. There's going to be a lot of information we won't have in a single finance committee. Agree. At this point, we're asking are we committed to fixing all these slides? And I think we are. The answer is yes. The money might come out of the reserve, it might come out of grants, it might come out of- Thank you. the financial finance committee. Agree. At this point we're asking, are we committed to fixing all these slides? And I think- The answer's yes. The money might come out of the reserve, it might come out of grants, it might come out of the FEMA. I don't think grants, but- |
| 02:47:41.29 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:47:44.74 | Unknown | Right. |
| 02:47:45.06 | Unknown | you |
| 02:47:58.61 | Susan | Thank you. |
| 02:47:58.62 | Joan | The answer is yes. |
| 02:48:00.02 | Susan | Thank you. |
| 02:48:00.06 | Joan | And I would just- |
| 02:48:00.55 | Susan | Thank you. Correct. And I would just add, as Mr. Bracken already mentioned, to move the San Carlos slide repair to priority one with all the other ones. Yes, I would recommend that. I don't see any reason to have that lower priority. |
| 02:48:12.41 | Unknown | Thank you. And they're... |
| 02:48:12.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:48:12.90 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 02:48:12.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:48:13.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:48:13.15 | Meg Fawcett | I don't. |
| 02:48:16.78 | Susan | this slide. |
| 02:48:17.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:48:17.49 | Meg Fawcett | Agreed. |
| 02:48:20.78 | Unknown | All right, and your other slide, let's get back to that one, then, the major one on the CIP items that you had. Okay. |
| 02:48:31.13 | Unknown | I think it's the next, yeah, that one there. |
| 02:48:33.52 | Joan | And so what's missing from here is Sausalito Beautiful. |
| 02:48:37.44 | Karin Sachs | And guardrails. And guardrails. |
| 02:48:37.99 | Joan | And the guard rails. |
| 02:48:39.11 | Karin Sachs | Thank you. IN THE CITY. |
| 02:48:40.95 | Joan | So this is the slide that I'd like to have the Finance Committee identify. have staff and bring to the finance committee the identification of potential sources for these projects. |
| 02:48:52.84 | Unknown | Tell me, guard rails again, you're going to go forth with an annual program to repair the guard rails around town. Is that including Glenn that we heard about tonight? |
| 02:48:59.88 | Kevin McGowan | The President. The President. |
| 02:49:03.05 | Unknown | Okay, so it's kind of like I mentioned the pavement marking, just it's going to be a reality. |
| 02:49:03.37 | Kevin McGowan | So it's kind of like I mentioned the pavement marking, just it's going to be a reality. And as I mentioned, I don't know how many guard rails you need to replace or how many you need to put in place, but we would do an assessment of that. |
| 02:49:17.23 | Unknown | What did you suggest on that 50? What did you say? 20 a year. Thank you. |
| 02:49:21.62 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. I've said 50 a year, but that's a number again, out of pretty much driving out of the air. |
| 02:49:22.21 | Unknown | 50,000. |
| 02:49:23.07 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:49:25.33 | Unknown | Just ask me. |
| 02:49:27.05 | Kevin McGowan | Um, because I don't know, I haven't assessed the condition of Can I comment on that, Dave? |
| 02:49:31.56 | Adam Politzer | Can I comment on that? Dave, can I comment on that? Where we pulled that number out was that Andy Davidson looked at the guard rail that we just put in at Curry. And you know the shortness of that, and I think that was roughly $38,000. So we kind of just looked at that as a starting point. But that small, guardrail at Curry was $38,000. They're not cheap. |
| 02:49:57.58 | Joan | And then the other capital project that we may mention of tonight was, and I don't know if it's a capital project, but was the risk assessment. The geologic assessment of our hillsides. So is that a capital project or is that? a professional service that we'll hear elsewhere. |
| 02:50:14.65 | Adam Politzer | Yeah, I think that that conversation is going to come up next when Chief Tubbs comes back to the council, I think, in June. Because that is something that we want as we've talked about before linking both fire safety and landslide movement as one discussion. We're not gonna plant a whole bunch of trees to create more fire and fuel, and we're not gonna remove all trees and create mudslides. So I think that's a conversation that the fire department will take the lead working with our public works director. |
| 02:50:46.82 | Joan | So for me, I think we are able to approve the existing budget with the adjustments. And then give direction that it's our priority to address all of the slide repairs. |
| 02:50:56.07 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:51:03.69 | Joan | And then. give direction to staff in the Finance Committee to come back to us with sources. potential sources for these additional projects not included in the budget |
| 02:51:12.25 | Unknown | Right, and we're going to hear more about PBAC actually after this, but we can figure out those. |
| 02:51:15.54 | Joan | Okay. So that's... |
| 02:51:17.40 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:51:17.63 | Joan | Yes. |
| 02:51:17.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:18.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:18.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:18.51 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:51:18.53 | Unknown | But we are still going to hear from Therese. So let's make that motion, then we'll hear from Therese. |
| 02:51:19.03 | Unknown | you |
| 02:51:19.10 | Joan | Yeah. |
| 02:51:19.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:19.50 | Joan | I, Yeah. Yeah. So I make that motion and that does not address the MLK trees. |
| 02:51:29.70 | Unknown | Thank you. THE END OF THE END OF THE You want to make a comment on the motion? Thank you. |
| 02:51:35.15 | Jill Hoffman | Uh, Yes, I have to make a comment on motion. So I think I have to abstain from the, so we'll have to do a voice vote. So I have to abstain because I just don't have enough information to vote yes or no. So, and my understanding is that we're approving, Anyway. We're being asked to approve something that I'm not. |
| 02:51:53.68 | Unknown | We're not approving budget. |
| 02:51:54.98 | Jill Hoffman | We're not approving any projects not included in the budget. |
| 02:51:55.74 | Unknown | The project's not included in the project. |
| 02:51:56.97 | Joan | THE BUDGET. we're only validating THE BUDGET WE ALREADY APPROVED? |
| 02:52:01.61 | Jill Hoffman | Well, yeah, we may need... |
| 02:52:02.91 | Joan | A year ago. |
| 02:52:03.14 | Jill Hoffman | I don't have enough information. There may be some. There may be some necessary adjustments to that based on what our actual Budget turns out to be. I mean, I just don't know what it is. Before? |
| 02:52:14.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:52:14.96 | Ray Withy | Okay. I know. |
| 02:52:17.60 | Jill Hoffman | I mean, I know we're at a motion and you're looking for a vote. You can have discussion after a motion and a second. |
| 02:52:21.94 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:52:22.33 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 02:52:22.57 | Ray Withy | Before we vote on that, I think it's worth asking staff whether you've got enough direction. at this point. |
| 02:52:33.69 | Joan | Or whether you need us to vote on the motion. Do you have enough direction from us to proceed? |
| 02:52:34.60 | Ray Withy | Just to vote on the motion. No, assuming that we vote on the motion, have you, or is there something missing is what I'm asking that you need direction on? |
| 02:52:39.69 | Joan | I see. |
| 02:52:40.27 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 02:52:44.98 | Adam Politzer | I don't think there's anything missing. The question is can we do all this by Monday for the Finance Committee meeting? But I think the direction is clear on what you would like us to bring back. |
| 02:52:53.90 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 02:52:53.92 | Adam Politzer | I'm sorry. |
| 02:52:53.97 | Ray Withy | I would say. |
| 02:52:54.04 | Adam Politzer | to finance and then to council. |
| 02:52:56.22 | Ray Withy | Sorry, but I thought that question. |
| 02:52:57.16 | Adam Politzer | No, that's good, |
| 02:52:57.43 | Unknown | No, that's good, because I'm going to say I didn't expect all this in the next finance committee. Because we have a lot of items that we're talking about that could go on for a little while in there figuring out their cost. But we'll get as much as we can done. |
| 02:52:58.34 | Ray Withy | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:52:58.41 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 02:53:12.82 | Unknown | CALL IN FAVOR? |
| 02:53:13.82 | Unknown | Bye. Thank you. |
| 02:53:14.69 | Unknown | Let's do a roll call. |
| 02:53:14.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:53:14.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:53:14.78 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:53:14.81 | Unknown | Let's build a new world. |
| 02:53:19.70 | Unknown | Councilmember Cox? Yes. Councilmember Hoffman? Abstain. Councilmember Withey? |
| 02:53:24.62 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 02:53:24.92 | Unknown | Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles? Yes. Mayor Burns? Thank you. |
| 02:53:28.51 | Unknown | Yes. That item is not complete yet because we're going to hear from public comment on the MLK athletic field trees. So if you'd like to come on up, I have. Well, actually, Carolyn, yours was the first part and then it's Lisa, or do you have more on the trees? No, Lisa, you're up. And then we're going to go Lorna and then Jan. |
| 02:53:51.99 | Lisa Chilino | Great. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and members of the council. My name is Lisa Chilino. I am on the board of Sausalito Beautiful and a neighbor to MLK Park. I'm here tonight to ask you to allocate $25,000 for the replanting of trees in MLK Park. which represents 1.7% of the overall MLK park renovation budget. Many of these trees will last for over 150 years and will be enjoyed by generations to come. all for less than 2% of the MLK budget. As you probably know, 44 trees and stumps were removed from the park. All for good reasons. But mature shade trees have been a prominent feature of MLK Park for decades, and we want our trees back. You have not heard an uproar about the trees being removed because everyone assumes that they were going to be replanted. I rang doorbells and all the immediate neighbors assumed that the city would do the right thing and replant the trees. It's a reasonable assumption. But there was no plan, so Sausalito Beautiful stepped up and commissioned a tree plan for MLK, which includes over 100 trees and shrubs. aligning the new walking path without interfering with the athletic activities. This plan was developed in conjunction with Mike Langford, Director of Parks and Recreation, and was approved by the Parks and Recreation Commission. Based on this plan, it will cost approximately $50,000 to plant the trees. Sausalito Beautiful is asking you to approve $25,000 for the next fiscal budget. And we have offered to fundraise for the remainder. But it's not just me and it's not just Sausalito Beautiful who's advocating for trees at MLK. A poll was done on Nextdoor asked if the trees at MLK Park were important. Of the 92 people who voted, 95% said yes. 95% seems to reflect overwhelming support for trees at MLK Park. Here are some of the comments. Quote, it's common sense that a community park needs beautification and shade from trees. I don't think it occurred to residents that trees would not be part of their community park, says Cheryl. quote, shade trees are important for the health of people, the community, and the planet. The cost of not replacing them far outweighs the cost of replanting, writes Anita. I'd like to take a moment to remind you of some of the benefits. For those using the athletic fields, trees serve as a windbreak, muffle highway sound, soak up extra storm water, and filter the air. For the many who use MLK Park every day, neighbors running or walking on the new pathway, schoolchildren enjoying the outdoor space, trees serve as much-needed shade and welcome aesthetic beauty. We need to replant the trees now. It can't wait. The new walking path, exercise equipment, and new athletic fields are wonderful improvements. But without trees, this renovation could be seen as a step backwards. The best time to replant trees was 20 years ago. The second best time is now. Thank you. |
| 02:56:54.37 | Unknown | that's a good thing. |
| 02:56:54.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:57:01.88 | Unknown | Lorna, and then, oh, Jana. |
| 02:57:17.00 | Lorna Newland | Mayor, council, city staff, I wanted to share some facts. And some of it is similar, but I wrote it. Hello, my name is Lorna Newland. I've been a Sausalito homeowner for 25 years, a small business owner here for 17. And I've been a tenant at a pottery studio in El Malque for 13 years. The last seven months, looking out of my studio window, I viewed the construction, noise, dust, mud pit, heavy equipment, and even mattresses next to the construction site that have been there for months. I also live in Whiskey Springs, which is almost just right across the street. The construction actually started on November 1st and The tenants were only notified on the second that it was going to start on the third. So it was a big, it was a surprise. I do understand city council voted it and they just, it was acted on right away. When this started, I saw that the plan had 44 trees being removed and granted some were diseased. But the diseased trees were supposed to come out the prior June. The last tree removal notice that I received as a tenant was in June. But there were also lovely flowering plums lined in Coloma, enjoyed by park users and residents in the area. It never occurred to anyone that there was not a plan nor a budget to replant. Trees provide shade, beauty, oxygen, noise muffling, windbreaks, and our planet needs more of them, not removing them. Measure F was passed in 2015 with the Sausalito residents being told that certificates of participation Meaning the future rents of the MLK properties, again I'm a tenant there, would pay for the upgrades for all the parks that were designated in that. Meaning it was not coming from resident taxpayers. It appears the city is counting on Sausalito Beautiful to pay for the trees. A little bit different right now, even though through volunteer donations, that's still coming from resident pockets. I've been a volunteer for green thumbs for years, a subgroup of Sausalito beautiful who helps weed plant, etc. since the city staff can't completely. handle all the upkeep in town. It's great that we do have so many people who help and we know we're a volunteer community. This multimillion dollar plan that the citizens of Sausalito voted for is not happening as we were led to believe. We're a town of 7,500. A high percentage of people who utilize the parks and programs like Jazz, July 4th, Bocce, etc. come from other towns. I know the MLK tennis courts are primarily used by others in Marin County, including local high schools. We have a lovely town that we share with nearby locals and tourists too. Tourists do help with all this, but the events and upkeep come from the cities and our resident taxpayers. Sausalito beautiful. is a wonderful addition to helping, but they've already commissioned that whole plan, and I feel the $50,000 should come from the city budget to complete the plan started by Measure F. Thank you. |
| 03:00:22.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:00:23.03 | Lorna Newland | Thank you for listening. |
| 03:00:24.21 | Unknown | JAN. |
| 03:00:29.41 | Jan Johnson | Hi, I'm Jan Johnson. I'm just a volunteer worker for Green Thumbs and Sausalito Beautiful. Last year, the Intergovernment Panel on Climate Change said that we have until 2030 to drastically change our habits to try to prevent 2 degrees Celsius increase in warming, which if it does happen, is going to be catastrophic. So last year it was 12 years, and now it's 11 years. Tick-tock, tick-tock. um, Y'all, for some reason, all of them I'm sure were good, removed 44 trees with no plan to replace them. Trees are essential. to combat global warming. The state of California has tried to encourage urban forest to help decrease carbon and to decrease urban heat sinks. I'm a pink person, I can't stand the sun, I can't take the heat. If I don't have shade, I don't go out. shade will reduce heat both by just simple cover and by trans I forget what they call it. Thanks, sir. Thank you. significantly by 20 to 45 degrees Fahrenheit from the sun so I'm imploring you to please replace the trees and the great improved plan by Sausalito Beautiful We need it. The environment needs it. Our kids. The grandkids are going to pay the price if we don't start doing stuff now. Thank you. |
| 03:02:15.22 | Unknown | Thank you. Joan. |
| 03:02:23.52 | Joan McGroby | I'm Joan McGroby. I'm also a board member of Sausalito Beautiful. My comments are going to be redundant, so I'll be very brief. Um, I'm just wanting to address the things that are really important to the neighbors of MLK Park and to the athletes who will play on the playing field. I think the primary thing to the neighbors is beautification. It's a neighborhood that's had a history, a decades-long history, of mature shade trees. This would be a restoration project for the character of the neighborhood. for the cultural landscape of the neighborhood. These are quality of life issues that are important to people. Beyond that, I'll just reiterate, what has already been said, important to the athletes and the neighbors, or that there's a windbreak, a sound barrier, There are health considerations, air quality. and also shade. Um, As Jan just said, people find shade very important. Anyone who's a spectator at an athletic event, looking for shade. The athletes themselves, when they come off the field, they're looking for shade. the kids who come to summer camp. at MLK Park requires shade. So, The people who are also exercising on the paths that encircle the the park are looking for shade. So with all of these considerations, we hope that you will include support for these trees in the budget. Thank you. |
| 03:03:52.79 | Unknown | Susan Harriman. And then Meg Fawcett. |
| 03:04:00.11 | Susan Harriman | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. I'm Susan Harriman. I'm the chair of the Parks and Recs Commission. We have a meeting notice for tomorrow night. The timing is not that great. which has one issue, and that is to consider recommending that city council appropriate $25,000 for fiscal year. 2020 budget for the planting of trees in MLK field. I will tell you that that will be an issue that I'm supporting. And based on our last meeting, I am fairly positive that it will be approved. by the Parks and Recs Commission. you So adopting the comments of the other, I urge you, to allocate that $25,000. Thank you. |
| 03:04:44.66 | Unknown | Thank you, Susan. Can I just ask a question? |
| 03:04:45.64 | Susan | Can I just ask a question of Ms. Harriman? So we've also been talking about pickleball and the increased cost of that that I think is not currently in the budget. Has the Rec Park Commission taken a position on that? |
| 03:05:01.72 | Susan Harriman | Yes, and we've been in favor of pickleball. |
| 03:05:04.54 | Unknown | How about windscreens on the tennis courts? |
| 03:05:06.28 | Susan Harriman | We have not we discussed it initially with the tennis community, but it hasn't been discussed as a whole by the Commission |
| 03:05:14.02 | Unknown | volleyball at Dunphy. |
| 03:05:16.01 | Susan Harriman | It was something that we talked about doing whatever has been promised to the public, and I believe the discussion went along the lines of the public is expecting it. |
| 03:05:26.46 | Unknown | Thank you. Meg. |
| 03:05:31.83 | Meg Fawcett | Meg Fawcett, good evening. I clearly want trees at MLK Park, but my first priority for additional money is to complete the basic plan for the athletic fields, which would include the pickleball. courts and I think that's terribly important and I hope you improve them and if there's extra money of any amount to go to the trees my suggestion would be like $10,000 that would allow 20 trees And then we would be fundraising in addition to that. It'd be better if you put in 25,000 obviously. But I would very much like you to at least put Have a gesture. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD putting in some money. for some trees so that we can go to the community and say, look, the city is doing this. Can you match it? Can you add trees? But my first priority is pick a couple of words. Okay, thank you. |
| 03:06:26.92 | Unknown | Thank you. Any other comments on the trees at the MLK? Oh, we got one from... Hold on, hold on. |
| 03:06:33.81 | Susan | THE END OF THE END OF THE Are there any other MLKs? |
| 03:06:37.72 | Unknown | Excuse me, second. |
| 03:06:38.97 | Susan | or any other issue of MLK. |
| 03:06:40.93 | Unknown | Sybil, and then are there any other issues at MLK we want to talk about? You can bring those up now. from a CIP. Sure, come on up after Sybil. I thought he said yes. |
| 03:06:56.45 | Sybil | Good evening, Mayor and City Council Members. I'm obviously in favor of the trees in MLK Park. Age Family Sal Salido, as you know, has had one of its elements in its strategic action plan to install more age friendly features in the park so were even more usable for the older adult population, especially during the time of day when kids are in school. Where that's a time when the parks are not being used as much as they could be. And that's one of the reasons why the features at Martin Luther King for older adults were part of the plan. Including the walking path which is good for everybody but especially an important feature for older adults. And the exercise zone which is also geared towards equipment that is appropriate for older adults to use for strength and fitness. All of these features and the pickleball courts of course. And which I've just learned how to play. All of these features are improved by having trees. Walking on that path. It can be very hot walking on asphalt in the summer weather that we do have. And the trees are really needed for a partial shade along the path. We are hoping to raise funds for benches to be studded along the path and elsewhere. And it'd be really nice to have benches under a shade tree so that somebody could go out there and read a book. It's not only an athletic field, it's the neighborhood park for rotary housing, Whiskey Springs, Eden Park, the Anchorage. That's a lot of the multiple unit housing in South Salido is right in that area. And at both Whiskey Springs and of course Rotary, the age is tipped above 55 at Whiskey Springs and of course 62 at the age of 50. So basically, I think it's really important to have shade. It's especially important for older adults that are going to be out exercising. So I hope that you'll consider it from that perspective. And also, research has shown that having trees and greenery is definitely a benefit for mental health. So I want to put that in there as well. Thank you very much. |
| 03:09:44.11 | Unknown | Thank you. Lorna, you've had your public comment. If you have a quick question you wanted to ask. Okay, really ask it really quickly at the mic there, thanks. |
| 03:09:51.31 | Lorna Newland | I'm not sure. Because there has been a lot of delay with rain with MLK and the receding of the grass that will happen. Is it still going to be planned that THE FAMILY. Art festival parking will be on this brand new grass and if that is the case, Is it going to damage it? |
| 03:10:12.07 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. All right, any other public comment on MLK? Seeing none, okay, let's talk quickly on MLK trees. Is there any consideration we want to talk about? |
| 03:10:23.98 | Susan | I just have a question for staff. is Mike probably. Mr. Langford and our Rec Park director or maybe our city manager. We've gotten a lot of email correspondence, and we've heard some public comment from members of the public, and there seems to be an impression that We never plan to replant trees at MLK. And it was my understanding that that was a value engineering issue when it became clear that the budget that we had. in the cop and other funding was not going to because of rising construction costs was not going to be enough to do the main improvements and that's when kind of some of the extras or additional things came out is that correct or am I misremembering |
| 03:11:15.64 | Mike Langford | misremembering. This would be the current phase that we're in would be phase one of the project. And then moving forward, we would do the landscaping and that'd be phase two. |
| 03:11:25.95 | Adam Politzer | Okay. And can I just expand on that just as a reminder? I can't remember off the top of my mind what MLK came in, but Dunphy Park, as you remember, came in at $4.9 million. And so yes, we had to value engineer. And then as the council did at one of its last meetings, I think the meeting that Councilmember Susan was mentioning April 30th, we approved putting the money back into the budget for trees at Dunphy Park. |
| 03:11:52.31 | Susan | Right. Okay, great. Thank you. Appreciate that. |
| 03:11:56.78 | Unknown | I'm going to go. |
| 03:12:00.48 | Unknown | And I have a lot, too. |
| 03:12:01.77 | Ray Withy | Um, The problem I'm having right now is that Until we see the next phases of the budget, I don't know where we are with the budget, to be honest. But I would certainly be willing to make a motion that we direct staff to see if $25,000 could be programmed into our capital budget for these trees. It's all got to come back to us because we're going to have some tough decisions to make. If we say, yeah, $25,000 for trees, there may very well be $25,000's got to come from somewhere else and we're the ones that are going to have to make that decision. So I'm certainly willing to say let's direct staff to program it in and see if we can do it. But the next agenda item, then the following agenda item, are going to be more requests for much more money. And I just don't know where it's all going to land out until we've actually done the work. Right. So, but anyway, that's where I stay. |
| 03:13:16.68 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, I, oh, do you want to go? It's just a procedural question. Do we need a motion or do we just need to give direction? We're just going to give direction. |
| 03:13:22.47 | Ray Withy | We're just going to get |
| 03:13:22.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:13:23.15 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:13:23.16 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:13:23.38 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Yeah, I'm in favor of exactly the approach that Councilmember Withy set forth. |
| 03:13:30.54 | Susan | Yeah, and I... |
| 03:13:31.99 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, let's go talk. |
| 03:13:32.14 | Susan | you Thank you. Yeah, so I appreciate those comments from Councilmember Withy. I mean, as you've heard from our whole budget discussion, we have a lot of tough choices. We've had unexpected emergencies this year. We have residents in town who are still in need. I am definitely in favor overall of the long term landscaping and improvement of all of our parks, especially MLK. And I do, my last question to Mr. Langford was just really to point out that this was not the intention of the city to remove the trees and then not replace them. Thank you. budgeting decision giving rising construction costs in the bay area and the need to invest our measure f funds in a timely way to get these park projects started and so i'm really proud of the work that we've made and i don't want that message to get lost um with this and i so i want to i guess communicate um enthusiastic support for phase two of mlk for whatever we can do in this current budget and ongoing so i hope at least that sentiment can be um I know we've also talked about the fact that one of the major uses of MLK is for playing fields. And I think we have to be very cognizant of that and the paths and long term maintenance of the paths. And I've been to a lot of playing fields with two kids who play competitive sports. And I do not want our playing fields to look like some of the vast spaces in Modesto and other places that I travel to regularly. I think we can do both. I think we have to be smart about it. And so I'm looking forward to working with Sausalito Beautiful and the neighbors and other community members to get as many trees as we can given our budget and to keep that commitment going over time. |
| 03:15:27.68 | Unknown | Okay. Thank you. I support the 25,000. because of the conversation we had, we want trees. And I support it because I'm always the one saying leverage the money you have to get others. And if you're willing to kick in money, that's an offer that we have to take. So that component alone to me is why you get my $25,000 support. However, this process was not a shining moment. And the discussion was not great because We have talked about, we need to get the park in, we had a phased approach on purpose. And for someone to say how bad we were for removing 44 trees, those were terrible trees. And to say you want to replant something that was so terrible, I think it was a good time for those to go out anyway and it's time to put new trees in. So I hate for us to be like we are the bad guys for taking trees out that were falling on kids. There was a tree stump out there for years that put itself into the field and caused us to have one soccer game without a softball game at the same time. That cost us a lot of money. I'd have MGS, the Marin girls softball call and say, hey, can we get a game there at 12 o'clock today? No, we can't, because the soccer field is four feet on to the infield of the softball diamond, because there's a tree trunk out there that sticks out into the grass. Misplaced trees are our community's biggest problems, from fire, to infrastructure damage, to sidewalk buckling, to people tripping, to all sorts of things. So it takes a really good effort to place the right trees at the right time. And like I said at the finance committee, when somebody comes with just a goal of 100 trees, That's concerning, because that's putting trees at risk of being put in the wrong place, because you have a goal based on a number and not an actual use. The actual use component would be, let's get the fields built and find out where things happen and then put the trees in. So that's why I'm a little disturbed about the process here. We have a shed out there that I don't know where we're going to put the shed. Girls like to warm up. We have no warm up space. We have no place to play catch during the game. If a pitcher wants to warm up, there's no place for that right now. So before trees go in, I want to know where some of that stuff is. Where some of the, how the flow of the athletic the recreational equipment goes, where they come from, how they proceed to that, where they actually sit when they're done, before the trees go in. I want to hear from the fire district who had made a claim at a different meeting that we have special areas for fire evacuation that happen to have low trees before 100 trees go in and that are super tall. I want to hear from their clearance that they've looked at that, that's not a fire evacuation area. Fire evacuation area is a big space where every personnel can go when a fire is coming over us and they have a safe zone. And you can't have a bunch of trees in a safe zone. I don't think that's going to be an issue, but I think the proper tree use would be to talk with them, and I don't believe that's happened. So a lot occurred. And a lot more should have occurred before we were told that we had missed a step here. And I'm going to say that I'm going to keep an eye on where these trees go, because the first rendition I saw had trees right where the kids were going to play. And I was told it was 100. So, um... But, He did a really good job and you're putting your money where your mouth is so that you're supporting that He got my vote for putting $25,000 into that program when that comes up Because I do agree that ultimately I want trees out there and I want all the things and the reasons that you state We want trees from oxygen to shade to All those other areas it is an athletic field that's not open space as somebody mentioned It's a recreational area. It's a park. It's a wonderful beautiful thing, but it's not open space So thank you for all that. I think we have enough now to bring Joan in. We got the direction. Thank you. Good job. |
| 03:19:21.69 | Unknown | Yes. you |
| 03:19:55.41 | Unknown | Thank you. checking three and three items left all right we got to get moving here folks We're two hours behind. Consideration of a, huh? Is that all right? No, consideration of a 200,000 funded request with 50,000 from the current fiscal year budget. This is coming from Mike Langford and he has some players he's going to call up at his time as well. |
| 03:20:22.08 | Mike Langford | you Well, good evening City Council, in addition to being your Parks and Recreation Director, I'm also the liaison to the Hospitality Business Development Committee. I want to give you just a little bit of background. The committee was formed in 2004 after the TOT tax was increased from 10% to 12%. And the committee was formed to recommend specific hospitality development expenditures on an annual basis in the city budget. Now with that I mentioned that it was, in TOT was increased from 10% to 12% in 2004. As we know recently it was just increased to 14%. As part of the fiscal year 2019 budget, the council budgeted $50,000 for the Hospitality Business Development Committee to use for marketing efforts. With the provision that the committee returned to the council with a plan for how the funds would be used and what the return on investments would be. Now the committee has researched various types of marketing options and determined that the best option was to hire a specialized marketing firm to do the hospitality marketing. We also had the assistance of Greg Stern from Butler, Stein and Stern, and multiple marketing firms were researched and interviewed. The Hospitality Business Development Committee unanimously selected Lisa Domene, yeah, Dimone from Mucho Gusto Marketing, LLC, and I'd like to bring her up today to give the presentation. |
| 03:21:59.93 | Joan | Can I ask a question? Did you say the hospitality committee unanimously selected her? |
| 03:22:08.01 | Mike Langford | Yes. |
| 03:22:08.72 | Joan | Okay, did she meet all of the members of the hospitality committee or who did she meet prior to that? unanimous |
| 03:22:16.63 | Mike Langford | Multiple meetings were held and it was Skype conversations or through the internet and written presentations were turned in. |
| 03:22:17.02 | Joan | A multi-touch. |
| 03:22:25.20 | Joan | Okay, thank you. |
| 03:22:31.16 | Mike Langford | Serge, is the presentation on here? |
| 03:22:58.26 | Mike Langford | While we're doing this, Joe, you were supposed to wear the brown coat today. I know. You said the coat. Okay. |
| 03:23:00.69 | Unknown | you |
| 03:23:00.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:23:00.93 | John Robacher | Thank you. |
| 03:23:00.96 | Unknown | How are you? |
| 03:23:06.85 | Unknown | Lisa, did you want to start with anything as far as an introduction of yourself? Yeah. Just kind of set a few words. We're loading things up. Thank you. Tell us about yourself. |
| 03:23:08.56 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Tell us about yourself. Um, Mayor, council members, it's a pleasure to be here with you tonight. I have to say those are some tough issues to follow, and I appreciate your consideration of another budget request when you have some tough decisions to make. I did come up and meet with the committee once in person a few weeks ago. And just to tell you a little bit about my background, I actually started my marketing career in Marin in the mid 90s and the first events that I marketed and produced were actually in this building. using the rec center studio downstairs So it's great to be back. I lived in Marin for about five years in the 90s and progressed my career into digital marketing Starting in 2000, I went down and took advantage of the dot-com boom and grew my skills as digital marketing was growing. here in the Bay Area. I moved to work for Joie de Vivre Hospitality and was there for three years leading their digital marketing efforts, which included marketing hotels and restaurants in Marin. and then went on to work for Kimpton Hotels and Restaurants also very present in the Bay Area. That's a long-winded way of saying I have a lot of experience in marketing and experience here in the area. |
| 03:24:49.77 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:24:50.13 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | And there is a presentation, but I will keep going. Just a little background on this project and what the committee had tasked me to do. So we know there's already a lot of tourism and visitors here to Sausalito. And they tend to come on the weekends, and they're coming for food and beverage and arts and culture and the big events that you have, like the Sausalito Art Festival. So there's already a significant tourism impact coming to, there we go. |
| 03:25:08.00 | Unknown | AND |
| 03:25:29.38 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Enhancing the visitor experience is the mission statement currently of the Hospitality Business Committee. So, background as I said tourism alive and well in Sausalito and has some major impact during certain time periods the goal of the committee is to I'm not sure. bring in supplemental visitors so to create incremental revenue that's going to have low impact in the times when you don't already have a lot of people coming to the city. I also wanted to mention that I'm sensitive to that delicate balance of, um, the ease of living in a community and having outsiders coming in. So I lived in Alameda for many years where there are three bridges and one tunnel. And when that gets congested, everything grinds to a halt. We had a lot of festivals. We had a lot of people coming from Oakland when the weather was great, we had beaches. And so I know what it's like to live in that environment. And we are cognizant of that as we're putting together this proposal. So, One of the first things I wanted to do was make sure that the goal of the committee is aligned with the city goals. So I did some due diligence and I dug up a copy of the strategic plan and the general plan updates and went through everything just to make sure that our strategy is aligned with what the city intends to do as well, right? So what we're proposing is a long-term strategy, not just one campaign, In order to get into the minds of consumers, in order to get the people here that we want, those people that are going to spend the dollars that we want during the times that we want, we have to make an impression on them. And that happens over time. It just doesn't happen once. So the other thing I did was I asked for any data. What data do you have? What can I learn about your visitors? What do I need to know? Because in digital marketing, it's all about the data, right? We're tracking what people are doing, we're tracking where they're going, we're tracking what they're viewing, what they're booking. So I wanted to see any data I could get my hands on. And this was a survey that was done This is a typo. It's actually 2012 was when the survey was released, and it was done by the Marin Economic Forum, and it was funded by the city of Sausalito and the Chamber. So, The importance of this survey to what our proposal is, is really we used it as a way to try to come up with the return on investment estimate that was asked of us. And here, this slide just really illustrates that, obviously, a lot of the revenue that comes in is non-retail. Of the retail, hotels, restaurants, and bars together has the most impact. This slide is showing in the survey. And we can, I understand that wasn't submitted along with these materials, but we can certainly submit it after the fact. The analyst, Rob Eiler, created algorithms to estimate the multiplier effect, as he calls it. So in layman's terms, what he's saying is that if you bring in extra revenue from a variety of industries, you can expect that there will be additional revenue to other industries. If you are staying in a hotel over a period of time, you're not just spending money in that hotel. You're actually gonna go spend more dollars shopping in the area or engaging in other activities. |
| 03:29:24.25 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | So what we're saying and what we're proposing is that the city of Sausalito invest $200,000 to stay competitive with other coastal destinations. Everybody's fighting for visitors right now. Thank you. And there's a lot of noise from Napa. Calistoga's invested significantly. Even Tiburon is investing money to try to bring the same people to their coastal town, one stop over, that we want to bring to Sausalito. The best way to do that is to make a sustained investment over time. We have one question. Excuse me. Okay. |
| 03:29:58.08 | Susan | We have one question. Excuse me. We're going to interrupt. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but could you go back to the last slide? Just want to make sure I understand So can you just pick one of these and So, the number under the employment section is what? |
| 03:30:20.25 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | that's a multiplier. So for every $1 million in new revenue, let's say take this industry general merchandise, you would apply that for employment, business revenue, and indirect taxes. It's not just a million dollars, it's a million dollars applied with this multiplier. |
| 03:30:44.17 | Susan | And then what's the business revenue number? |
| 03:30:47.49 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | That is the effect on other businesses, as I understand it. |
| 03:30:52.82 | Susan | and the indirects tax. |
| 03:30:55.00 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | additional tax revenue that would come in from dollars spent within that particular industry. I have another slide later when we talk about return on investment where Eiler goes into detail about hotel and restaurants specifically. I'm not an economist. I'm just working with the data that was provided to me. |
| 03:31:10.25 | Susan | Okay. |
| 03:31:15.08 | Susan | And so you took this table eight out of the 2012 economic service? |
| 03:31:17.97 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Exactly, yes. Economic survey. These two tables are from that survey. |
| 03:31:21.04 | Susan | Okay. |
| 03:31:21.05 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Thank you. Yep. |
| 03:31:26.94 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Okay, so the first step, which has already been taken, the committee built destination, Sausalito.com, which is a website that is specifically targeting the visitors that we want to attract to Sausalito. Midweek visitors, specifically targeted at corporate groups looking at bringing people over from businesses in San Francisco or other areas for team building or offsite activities. There's a presence on social media for Destination Sausalito already. And what we want to do is build upon that. Right now, the first stage of that website was envisioned as a directory of businesses, In order to really compete with some of these other areas with a Carmel or a Napa or even a Half Moon Bay, you need to tell the story about what the whole experience is. It's not just a hotel. It's not just a meeting room. It's not just a guest room, it's actually the whole experience. It's the shopping, it's the restaurants, it's the waterfront. It's the experiential venues that have beautiful views. We need to expand upon that so that people understand all that Sausalito has to offer and that it has everything basically that Napa has except maybe the vineyards, right? You've got wine tasting, you've got art galleries, you've got the culture and everything. |
| 03:32:53.51 | Jill Hoffman | Can I ask a question before you move on from that slide? So the destination Sausalito.com was funded by the city. How much was that funded? How much did that cost? |
| 03:33:05.02 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | I have to defer that to the committee. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:33:09.97 | John Robacher | Yeah. |
| 03:33:09.97 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, it's okay. |
| 03:33:10.03 | Mike Langford | Yeah. |
| 03:33:10.27 | John Robacher | Okay. |
| 03:33:10.81 | Mike Langford | Yeah. |
| 03:33:10.98 | John Robacher | Thank you. |
| 03:33:11.13 | Unknown | THE CITY OF THE CITY OF |
| 03:33:11.47 | John Robacher | Thank you. |
| 03:33:12.07 | Jill Hoffman | that we have in our report? |
| 03:33:13.98 | Unknown | No. |
| 03:33:14.22 | Mike Langford | Thank you. It was approximately $10,000 and that included the development as well as the current maintenance on it right now through the end of this fiscal year. |
| 03:33:30.32 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Okay, so just to emphasize, we're not proposing that we want to have another Sausalito art festival that's gonna have a huge impact on the city. We're looking for smaller impact higher revenue, visitors and one of the great things about digital marketing again is that it's highly targeted now because of all the data that is captured and stored by advertising networks and advertising partners. We can specifically target ads so that they're seen by high household income people. We can target by age, we can target by income, we can target by demographics, we can target by psychographics and then we can also track the effectiveness of that. The committee has defined five pillars for marketing the city as a destination. I don't think any of these would be surprising. Obviously arts and culture were already known for, Food and beverage and health and wellness are right now the top experiential travel trends. When people leave their homes and go somewhere else, they're looking to have some local food and beverage. They're looking to do something that's going to promote their well-being. And they want it to be local and they want it to be in an environment like we have here. There's so many opportunities for the waterfront and water activities or hiking activities or walking in the stairs. I mean, there's just a lot of outdoor activity that promotes health and wellness. The festivals and events, we're proposing that we do something along the lines of the Gingerbread House tour where they take place over maybe a month or several days or weeks, not just one day high impact, but that we're actually getting people out, we're having them walk through the city, we're having them see, What's going on here? What are the businesses? Taking a tour of the Heath ceramic factory, for instance, for a team offsite, you're gonna have revenue. People are gonna start buying things and then there's gonna be more tax revenue. and the experiential venues really trying to promote the fact that you have beautiful waterfront spaces and they're different, unique environments for people to have their teams meetings or off-sites. So it's really focused on the whole community, not just bringing people in and driving more revenue for a specific hotel or specific restaurants. So phase one. What are we going to do? We're going to do some deep discovery. We're going to look at what we have on all of our websites. What's the message? How are we portraying Sausalito? What's the story that we're telling today? Do we own that story? Or has that been created by other businesses that are driving people here today? It would include stakeholder interviews, talking to each one of you, talking to people who live here, obviously interviewing each one of the committee members and Chamber of Commerce to find out more about Sausalito's DNA and coming to consensus on What is this message? What are we putting forth regarding the Sausalito brand? |
| 03:36:52.28 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Phase two, once we've done that and we've done our due diligence and there would also be a competitive analysis, that's when we're going to get into executing the marketing campaigns, right? That's when we're going to start driving people to the site. We're gonna be optimizing the site, we're gonna be testing it to make sure that what we're doing is working and refining as we go. |
| 03:37:10.79 | Unknown | you |
| 03:37:13.86 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | And when we talked to the Finance Committee recently, they requested quarterly reporting on planned progress, analytics, trends, and TOT updates. So specific metrics that we could track. Visitors to the website, are they going up? Are visitors to the website staying longer? Is the website sticky? Are they interested? Are they submitting RFPs? And is the business going up at our hotels and our restaurants and obviously at the other, um, businesses in Sausalito as well. We want to start sending out emails, right? We have an email database which hasn't been tapped yet, 35,000 people. We want to tap, are they opening those emails? Are they clicking through? Are they interested? |
| 03:38:06.63 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | And this is just a basic methodology here on the bottom to show kind of the very typical process that we would go through in web design and development project management. along with the deliverables. So we want to look at Documenting the discovery phase, what do those interviews show us? Doing the competitive analysis, where are we ranking right now on the website visibility? Are we showing up on page one of Google, or where are we? Who are we competing against? I can tell you when I do a destination search for Sausalito, I'm seeing TripAdvisor and I'm seeing Expedia come up before Destination Sausalito. So we need to optimize the website. We need visibility. I'm going to help with the vendor vetting, engagement, and management. And we'll be making recommendations for advertising and campaign execution, search marketing, and also looking at other partners such as Sojourn. who has a lot of data that can be shared with us and tracked. They have airplane data so they can tell when somebody's considering to come to a place like the Bay Area. And you can, again, target your ads specifically to the people that you want to reach. and then quarterly analytics and progress reports. This is a breakdown of the 200,000. So professional and legal would cover my services, it would also cover any sort of Marketing partner fees like Sojourn's fees, it would cover any sort of fees for any marketing partners, really. The marketing and the advertising is the actual media spend. And as we move from phase one to phase two, the investment in the professional professionals fees decreases and we move more into spending on the actual media and the actual campaigns. The website expense was $1. taken from an estimate that we got him. and then just sort of your general and administrative fees. Finally, I know the big question is, what could we expect for a return on investment? This is an estimate based on benchmarking that I used in my hospitality career so far. We were typically looking for a 10 to 1 ROI on our marketing efforts. So I took that and 200,000 becomes 2 million. So how do we get to 3 million? This is where I bring you back to that survey and the algorithms and this multiplier effect that Rob Eiler created in that survey for Sausalito. So I took these numbers and plugged them in based on the percentage of retail contribution with restaurants versus hotels. And basically, this is the estimate that we have today. |
| 03:41:26.56 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | And with that, I open it up to questions. |
| 03:41:30.46 | Unknown | Thank you. Are there any questions for Lisa? It looks like Joan. Go ahead. Yeah. |
| 03:41:33.99 | Joan | Yeah. Um, We have on the dais this visit Carmel by the sea, is that yours? |
| 03:41:41.51 | Unknown | I did that last minute because of the comments we got from a couple members where's the information. So I did this document. I didn't make it up. I just pulled it offline really quickly. And I was going to reference a couple points in it to answer some questions that came up in late mail. |
| 03:41:42.88 | Joan | Okay. |
| 03:41:51.64 | Eric Bond | Okay. |
| 03:41:51.99 | Joan | on. |
| 03:41:55.76 | Joan | Okay. Is this Lisa's work? |
| 03:42:00.13 | Unknown | No. OK. It had nothing to do with them. |
| 03:42:00.75 | Joan | Hey. Okay, so for what other municipalities have you generated this 10% return on investment? |
| 03:42:10.71 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | I have not worked for a municipality. |
| 03:42:15.48 | Joan | For what companies have you generated this 10% return on investment? |
| 03:42:20.46 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | for Kempton. |
| 03:42:22.08 | Joan | for Kempton. |
| 03:42:23.14 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Specifically, I'd have to go back and look at Joie de Vib. It was over 10 years ago. |
| 03:42:28.73 | Joan | So over ten years ago you generated revenue on behalf of Kempton, but you've never done this work for a municipality? |
| 03:42:35.58 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | That's Joie de B. Kimpton I worked for for the last nine and a half years. And I have not done it on behalf of the municipality. |
| 03:42:45.44 | Joan | So where does the metric of 10% come from? |
| 03:42:52.29 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | based on my experience in digital marketing and hospitality specifically in the last nine years. |
| 03:42:59.75 | Joan | Because I was looking at this Carmel by the Sea thing that has a lot of great media and media mix. But even in Carmel by the Sea, In three years their unique visitors increased by 2%. So. I'm, This is not the first time you've heard this question from me. You heard these questions from me at the Finance Committee, but we haven't gotten any additional information from you. since that meeting. |
| 03:43:29.51 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Right. So, I think that's a good question. we calculated the multiplier effect, which was different than what we presented before. I would say it's really hard to compare against Carmel because I don't know what they were doing before relative to what they're doing now. Um, I would also, I neglected to mention that this is not an immediate return. We estimate that this would be one to two years easily before you would be seeing that full amount in Julie, I don't know if you want to speak to anything in your experience having done destination marketing, but |
| 03:44:14.99 | Joan | And how will you distinguish the visitors that you generate from the visitors, from the natural increase in visitorship that Sausalito already experiences? |
| 03:44:28.05 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | Well, we can look at what the data shows us. I know there's tracking on the site now. I assume there's tracking on the other sites that you have, I was only brought on to work on this proposal a few weeks ago, so I haven't done the discovery Um, But I would say, I mean, anything that we put out digitally, we can track. what is coming back. If we're putting out an email and it's coming back to the website, we'll know that that's where the traffic came from. If we do an ad, we'll know that the ad drove the traffic back. Right now, I don't think there's a lot of traffic on destinationsasalito.com, so I think there's going to be, you know, explosive, exponential growth in terms of visitors. Because you haven't had a marketing plan. You haven't – nothing's really been done. |
| 03:45:25.41 | Joan | At the Finance Committee meeting, we were told that the city of Tiburon has $500,000. And. $250,000. is their annual budget and they are not doing as well as we are. |
| 03:45:40.99 | Unknown | Uh-huh. We assumed we heard that. you But the real information was Thank you. |
| 03:45:46.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:45:48.02 | Unknown | they just started two years ago and the tax data is two years old so there's an overlap that we don't have moment for moment time in their marketing to their outcome yet. |
| 03:45:57.51 | Joan | So that's the challenge is that after two years, we still don't have metrics for Tiburon for us to be able to measure. the outcomes, of their expenditure of $250,000 a year. So how will we be able to measure metrically the outcome resulting from an investment with your firm. |
| 03:46:24.49 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | I'm going to need your help to track that, obviously, by getting revenue data from the city and the businesses. |
| 03:46:35.39 | Joan | Okay, thank you. And again, these are not new questions, I asked these at the Finance Committee. |
| 03:46:42.63 | Jill Hoffman | So I have a couple questions. So, and I don't know if you were involved in the Tiburon analysis, but since Councilmember Cox brought it up. And my understanding was that the Tiburon spend was because they were Their visitor number was way down and they were trying to attract just more general visitors. Isn't that isn't that wasn't that the emphasis behind? Tiburon, I believe, coming up with their marketing plan. So I don't believe that we have a volume problem in Sausalito. What you're talking about is something very different. you you know, |
| 03:47:19.11 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | But they did use that money to build a website that's targeting the same visitor that we're targeting. So Destination Tiburon. is targeting meetings and events group business. I think one of the challenges they have, and just speaking from a little bit of knowledge of Marin, they don't have a lot of the things to offer that Sausalito has. So again, I think you tell the story and you tell the story to the right people, you get the visitors that you want to supplement what's already working, whereas that's maybe a bit more of a struggle for them. |
| 03:47:43.57 | Unknown | again. |
| 03:47:55.16 | Jill Hoffman | Right, but my point with Tiburon was that their visitorship was way down. And so they were trying to, the reason they justified their spend at that level was to just try to get more volume into Tiburon. Even though they're trying to target, but just volume in general. We don't have that problem in Sausalito with volume. And so then I have a follow up question with regard to the website. I'm just going through the website quickly here. I'm seeing a few businesses that are not in Sausalito. that are listed on the destination Sausalito website. What's your, the criteria I'm assuming for destination Sausalito is Sausalito businesses because if it's outside of Sausalito, Although there may be some ancillary people traveling here. That tax money doesn't come to Sausalito, so the justification for destination Sausalito. doesn't really hold if you're advertising for businesses that are located outside of Sausalito. Am I missing something on that? |
| 03:48:56.55 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | That seems to make sense, yeah. I can't speak to the existing website. I haven't worked on it, but |
| 03:48:58.12 | Jill Hoffman | OKAY. |
| 03:49:02.61 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, I'm looking at the website right now, Cavallo Point's on there, and I love Cavallo Point. I'm not anti-Cavallo Point. But it's on Um. You know, it's on our website, So, I mean, and then, Event locations, again, you have the Headlands Center for the Arts. That's not in Sausalito. I'm not anti Headland Center for the Rs, I'm just saying, I'm not really understanding why Sausalia would pay $10,000 for a website. advertising things that are in Sausalito. |
| 03:49:37.08 | Unknown | So... Jeff, do you have an answer? |
| 03:49:38.23 | Jeff Schrock | Thank you. |
| 03:49:38.42 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:49:38.47 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, yeah, great. |
| 03:49:40.02 | Jeff Schrock | Council Member Hoffman. The reason it's on the website, the Archimber members, obviously they're an ancillary part of Sausalito. When people do mention Cavallo Point, granted, yes, we don't get sales tax revenue from them, nor TOT, which is unfortunate, but people do recognize the name. They also do ancillary business where maybe a wedding is at Cavallo Point and then the rehearsal dinner is somewhere in Sausalito or vice versa. So they do, it's great to have them part of our business you know, part of our website, something that we do as well. |
| 03:50:17.15 | Jill Hoffman | So let me follow up, I had a question for that too. These businesses that are on the Destination Saucleo website, do they pay? Is there another revenue source for the Destination Saucleo website other than just the money that Saucleo gave you? In other words, are these people paying? to advertise on the website. |
| 03:50:34.80 | Jeff Schrock | Not yet. The idea in the future was once we did gain enough hits, we had enough traction that we would charge people to either be on the website or put ads on the website and pull more revenue from that. Little by little, we've of course increased people coming to the website, but we haven't gotten to the next stage, which would be either charging additional business to be on the website or ads as well. |
| 03:50:58.05 | Jill Hoffman | So which leads to my next question, I'm also looking at the Chamber of Commerce website and It seems there's a lot of redundancy between the Chamber of Commerce website and the Destination Sausalito website. Is there cost effectiveness or a way that you would fold that into the chamber, I mean, it was just, Destination Sausli would be another page on the chamber website instead of creating a whole separate |
| 03:51:24.93 | Jeff Schrock | The destination is also the website. The idea behind it was to bring DMCs, destination management companies, directed to that website. So you're not going through a leisure market website, which is really what the Chamber website is about, as well as for services. So when DMCs look for event facilities, look for product, they want to go through all these other things. They want to go directly to a website that they can find hotels, they can find event facilities, they can find restaurants that they're going to create in a great event or a great team building place to do it. |
| 03:51:25.07 | Jill Hoffman | This is awesome. |
| 03:51:38.09 | Unknown | as well as |
| 03:51:60.00 | Jeff Schrock | All right, thank you. |
| 03:52:00.05 | Gail | All right, thank you. |
| 03:52:01.70 | Jeff Schrock | Thanks. And I wanted to bring Jim up from the CAS Madrona. the acting general manager of the Casa Madrona because he's got a bigger title at the moment though. So he'll talk about the Tiburon elements as far as what he's experienced in Tiburon with one of their properties there. Jim. |
| 03:52:20.74 | Unknown | you |
| 03:52:20.91 | Jeff Schrock | Thank you. |
| 03:52:21.06 | Unknown | Thank you. Jim Gurney, I'm the regional vice president with the investment group that owns Casa Madrona as well as the lodge at Tiburon. For the last two years, I've been involved on the board of Destination Tiburon, which was pretty much a dead thing we actually added 2% to the TOT which really was 100% to fund the destination Timberon DMC. We obviously don't come close to the amount of TOT that's generated in Sausalito. I think we're close to a 10 to 1 what Timberon generates. They generate a little over $200,000 a year. We estimate that the 2% will be closer to $2 million a year incremental TOT. I think what really it boils down to is, are we effectively managing our website to get the customer we want? great to have activity on your website. You know, it's great to have people looking at things. Are these people actually business opportunities that you want for your town? Are these more people that are renting bikes to come in here and kind of swarm your city? The effectiveness of a DMC is to really identify the customer that you really want. to drive success in your business and to target your spend in that area. We have spent roughly $250,000 a year, and some of it's financed through the general fund of the town of Tiburon, roughly $40,000 a year. But the reality is what we've done is we've created a meet in Tiburon website, which is directly geared towards meetings. We are using holistic approaches to what we're doing with that. We're taking them to trade shows. We did communications and advertising on BART. We've got 100 times the website hits that we had two years ago. They're not as qualified as we want them yet. But the problem is, if you're not playing, you lose. And I think if we don't play in the game, What's gonna happen is everybody around us is gonna say, hey, I'll put spend dollars into marketing but Sausalito won't. And our suggestion was in Tiburon, we're giving 100% of the incremental 2% TOT to marketing. Here we're asking for 10% of this. I think 10% to reinvest back into your business and your community in a strategic method is something that if you don't do, I kind of almost suggest it's shame on us. Any questions? |
| 03:54:49.14 | Unknown | Any other questions? |
| 03:54:51.79 | Unknown | Thanks. |
| 03:54:52.82 | Unknown | Thank you. Presentation, any more comments from the presentation before we have public comment and then we'll have more dialogue. Are you coming up to present something? |
| 03:55:06.99 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | Sergio, how do I get mine on here? So I think all of you have it. There was a question by one of the council members on how much money the chamber and how much chamber members put into marketing Sausalito and marketing their businesses. So I have a spreadsheet that I threw together at four o'clock this afternoon after I received a phone call from my board chair. Um, So from 2015, to April 30th of this year. Chamber members and the Chamber of Commerce has put into marketing Over $434,000. into all of these programs. to market Sausalito or help our visitors get around Sausalito. So this is paid through dues, through fundraising from the chamber. And So I see the festival. |
| 03:56:11.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:56:11.74 | Carolyn Revell | From. |
| 03:56:13.36 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | I'm sorry? Sausalito Art Festival. No. No. So, no, this is paid from our membership. This is paid from sponsorships. And this is paid from fundraising that the chamber has done. |
| 03:56:15.40 | Carolyn Revell | No. |
| 03:56:28.65 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:56:29.97 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | So. As you can see, A percentage. of our total income. 2015 was 25% of our total income is spent on on kiosk staffing. The bike queuing, the visitors map, which gets our visitors around. The business directory. Etcetera. So the chamber and the chamber, members and the businesses of this community have put in $434,000. And the city has put in 31,000. And some change. So the question was, what was the chamber doing for the city? This is what the chamber's been doing for the city, and this is what the businesses have been doing for the city. |
| 03:57:22.97 | Unknown | Is that your public comment too, Julie? I'm sorry? Was that your public comment? |
| 03:57:26.08 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | That was my public comment. You can tear my card up. |
| 03:57:28.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:30.43 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | So the question of what the chamber's been, it's 11 o'clock, I'm losing my voice. What the chamber is doing for the businesses, the visitors, et cetera, in Sausalito is shown there in black and white. |
| 03:57:43.62 | Unknown | on. |
| 03:57:44.01 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | AN ELECTION. |
| 03:57:44.03 | Joan | with the |
| 03:57:44.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:44.38 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | Do you have any |
| 03:57:44.98 | Joan | any ability to measure the the return on that investment? I'll see you next time. |
| 03:57:51.25 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | As far as what the chamber has put in? I do not for 2015, but we probably do from, I've only been here since June of last year, so not even a year, but I can probably. figure out from last year's information. what the return on investment is. |
| 03:58:06.62 | Unknown | And we don't want to get this mixed up with high value, low impact targets. |
| 03:58:10.17 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | Yeah, this is just what the chamber has done, because there was a question on, |
| 03:58:11.91 | Unknown | I don't know what this is. |
| 03:58:16.34 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | We're asking for money to do things and how much we have actually done. invested in the community. I |
| 03:58:24.97 | Joan | I did see some overlap because you do have a gingerbread house tour. |
| 03:58:29.32 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:58:29.63 | Joan | And that was an example given by |
| 03:58:33.25 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:58:33.58 | Joan | the consultant about the types of things to do to attract high value, low cost. So this is what we've spent over the last, all right, thank you. |
| 03:58:37.52 | Unknown | Hi, guys. |
| 03:58:38.74 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | Bye. |
| 03:58:38.77 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 03:58:38.89 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 03:58:44.26 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | Thank you. |
| 03:58:44.27 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 03:58:45.42 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Julie. No. OK, raise your hand. No, you're good. I'm not done. Not yet. We're still asking questions in the presentation. |
| 03:58:50.55 | Russ | you |
| 03:58:50.64 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | They're not different. |
| 03:58:51.11 | Russ | you |
| 03:58:55.07 | Ray Withy | So I don't know who this question is directed to. In about a year, two years, we're anticipating, let's pick on TOT, TOT to be about two million. How... With a marketing strategy that is designed for sort of in the week, high value, low impact, I mean we've been talking about this for five years for God's sake. How can you justify incremental revenues of $2 million? I mean, I'm just, it doesn't compute for me. I'm just picking TOT there. I well remember the 2010 study. I know it very well. I know Rob very well. I mean, there's some serious question when you scale down to city the size of Sausalito that the multiplier effect is almost irrelevant. That was one of the major flaws in the report, I think. |
| 04:00:09.49 | Unknown | It's actually impossible because we don't have the room space to double. Right. Because we're looking at incremental change off season and that would actually double the room capacity, which we don't have. So that number is flawed. You're right. I'm agreeing with you. Okay. All right. |
| 04:00:12.41 | Kim Huff | Right. |
| 04:00:24.22 | Kim Huff | Thank you. |
| 04:00:24.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:00:24.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:00:24.27 | Kim Huff | FACTORY. |
| 04:00:24.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:00:25.30 | Unknown | I think they answered it. |
| 04:00:26.03 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | Thank you. |
| 04:00:26.05 | Unknown | you |
| 04:00:26.10 | Julie (Chamber of Commerce) | with themselves. |
| 04:00:26.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:00:28.44 | Unknown | Well, the question was, how do we get $2 million when we already have $2 million by increasing some midweek and off season? You don't. Unless we're vacancy right now is below 50%, we're not going to increase the business. |
| 04:00:42.06 | Jim Gurney (Casa Madrona) | Another 50%. Part of the increase in TOT revenues is driven by room rate. If we can raise the room rates, the TOT of course increases. And that has been the case for the last 10 years. Our TOT receipts for my hotel alone have increased more than 100% over the course of the last 10 years. |
| 04:00:42.15 | Unknown | Another 50%. |
| 04:01:02.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:01:06.14 | Unknown | I think we do have other industry knowledge that 3% increases, 4% increases. We're covering costs. I think if we look at we're going to spend $150,000 and get $2 million, we're not going to sell that up here right now. That's not the number that we have as a, what we know how to do So. |
| 04:01:34.46 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 04:01:34.49 | Jim Gurney (Casa Madrona) | So, okay. |
| 04:01:35.93 | Kevin McGowan | you |
| 04:01:36.16 | Jim Gurney (Casa Madrona) | Thank you. |
| 04:01:36.25 | Unknown | Yes, we are. |
| 04:01:36.74 | Susan | So before we take public comment, I just wanted to ask a procedural question maybe for Yulia, Ms. Carter, or city manager. So this report, the staff report says as part of the 2019 budget, we budgeted 50,000 for HBTC to use for marketing efforts. So it's already in our budget. |
| 04:01:36.85 | Jim Gurney (Casa Madrona) | Do we have to make a discussion? |
| 04:01:56.65 | Susan | but today the recommendation is to approve 200. Is that in this fiscal year? And I mean, we're not even kind of at, we're sort of at this preliminary part of our budget. So I'm just wanna, I kind of just wanna understand why we're here WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT. |
| 04:02:13.90 | Mike Langford | So the ask was for $50,000 from the current fiscal year that was budgeted, and then $150,000 going forward for next fiscal year. So, |
| 04:02:23.48 | Susan | We're not. |
| 04:02:25.40 | Mike Langford | So in the staff report, there was also one of the alternatives is to hold the decision on this until you're actually doing the full budget and voting on the budget. |
| 04:02:35.14 | Susan | Okay. |
| 04:02:37.18 | Mike Langford | any other. |
| 04:02:37.23 | Unknown | THE COUNTRY. |
| 04:02:37.54 | Mike Langford | Thank you. |
| 04:02:37.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:02:38.38 | Susan | And was there a reason staff brought this forward in advance of our actual budget discussion? |
| 04:02:46.01 | Mike Langford | It was a long to give time to discuss it with the other budget items, just like we had some of the capital projects today, as well as where we were with the process. And again, giving you enough time to look at it, and the commission and staff, should you have questions, for us to get those answered and come back to you at a later date. |
| 04:03:06.31 | Susan | OK. Great. Thank you. |
| 04:03:08.50 | Unknown | Okay, we're going to open up to public comment. And on public comment, I have three cards currently. David Sudo, Nathan Scripps, Alice Merrill. So let's take that order right there. |
| 04:03:30.56 | David Sudo | Good evening. First of all, I was a little dismayed when our presentation had this person doing this activity as low impact, high value. From the presentation, I personally- |
| 04:03:44.12 | Jill Hoffman | Which slide is that? |
| 04:03:45.05 | David Sudo | Thank you. It's maybe the fourth or fifth slide somewhere in there. That's not the person I would want to try to get to our city, and that's not the thing I would want them to do. I don't think driving a motorboat that gets three gallons per mile is a low-impact activity that we want to promote in our city. It's not low-impact for CO2, and it's not low not low impact for our bay when we talk about eelgrass and things like that. I think we also have to be careful when we're marketing that there's a disconnect between what actually our city is and what image we're trying to put out there. People who visit us become residents later, and they think that the city is one thing when they visit, and then they want to buy a home here, and they find out the city is much different than what they expected, and then they're angry people really. And I see that all the time on Nextdoor. We get people who have a disconnect between what they think they're buying and what they're actually buying. And I had family here this weekend. I will tell you, the one comment I get from our 20-year-old nephew was, He couldn't believe how bad our phone service was downtown. And we're talking about destination. We're talking about experience. One thing people want to do here is they want to share Instagram photos, and they want to live stream their experience here. And you can't do that right now. So you're talking about all this younger millennials and younger generation X who have the expectation of what they're going to do when they visit a place and they can't do that here. So if we want to spend some money, we should look at, and unfortunately we took the item off our uh, off our agenda tonight. We really need to look at improving phone service downtown. tourism issue, it's a public safety issue, and it's just a convenience issue for our residents. So I think, you know, and when we're promoting activities and events, I think we need to look at green activities and events. I think one great thing is I see tons of people coming over our bridge every day with $10,000 bikes, wearing over $1,000 worth of bicycle equipment. And those are people that we could attract, you know, that Casa Madrona... every day with $10,000 bikes, wearing over $1,000 worth of bicycling equipment. And those are people that we could attract, you know, that Casa Madrona and Jean Hillier should be trying to attract to spend a week here bicycling you know, the Marin, because that, Marin is really a premier spot in the country, in the world, People come from all over the world to bicycle here and, they're not going to just spend one day here. And they're probably not going to do it on the weekend when it's really busy. They're going to want to spend time during the week. So I think that's an opportunity. |
| 04:06:39.95 | Unknown | Thank you, Nathan. |
| 04:06:42.78 | Nathan Scripps | I'll keep this brief since I'm about to be back up here speaking in just a minute, I hope. From 2005 until 2017, I did online marketing in a variety of formats and a variety of capacities for small businesses across the country. To look at the numbers presented here seems incredible. As in unbelievable. The fact that the website we're looking at cost $10,000 and there's a line item for $20,000 to quote unquote upgrade it, fascinating to me. The idea that there's a 15 to one expected ROI when the credible Reference point of a 10 to 1 ROI was from a series of hotels that have brand recognition that already exists and people are looking for a series of destinations in a major destination city is different. They are not comparable. To use a two plus year old stock photo as the opening photo of a presentation where you're asking for $200,000 is not the way to win business. And I'm just looking at this as, wow, this is fascinating that if I can get 200 grand by putting that presentation together, I should come back in the next meeting and pitch. Thank you. |
| 04:07:45.18 | Unknown | Thank you. Ellis. |
| 04:07:49.28 | Alice Merrill | It's hard act to follow. OK, my antenna went up immediately when They talked about the GPAC. And they're possibly, I think, thinking of developing more hotel housing in the Marin ship. Because we don't have anywhere else to go. And so if we suddenly need to have more rooms... Well, where can they go, the Marin ship? And we had that wonderful man come in today and talk about what he's doing in the marineship and There's a little booklet that Peter Streetman has put together, hopefully. You all will see it someday. It has all of the things that are happening down there. that are both marine related and innovation technology, the kind of things that that guy was building. Um... that's going on down there now. If the business community has an eye on putting people down there in hotel rooms, we have to pay attention to that kind of of thinking, because once it's gone, it is gone. And it's a very unique place, it's a very important place, and we just can't. let that slip away. I basically think about the other things, the support of festivals and events. I don't know. I mean, we already have pretty much festival overload, I think, for the community. And so where are they going to be? What are they going to be? Um, So Yeah, there are a few mother notes, but I'll stick to that. Thank you. Thank you, Ellis. Russ? |
| 04:09:56.54 | Unknown | There you are, rest. |
| 04:10:02.55 | Russ | So first, I completely support the idea of shaping the visitor profile coming into Sausalito. But you've asked the right question saying, how are we going to know how much this impacts it versus something else? the best money the city could spend starting right now is $15,000 a year to buy credit card data. Digital media metrics tells you who sees the media. doesn't tell you who's shopping in your town, who's generating the tax dollars, who's staying in the hotels. Credit card data will tell you that. It'll cost you $15,000, you'll have metrics of all the psychographics, the demographics, where they come from, how much they spend, how long they stay. Because, and it's real data, it's the data that's absolutely developing the tax revenue. You won't have to worry about mixing it with Cavallo Point or the Seaplane or anything else. It'll be in our stores. It's $15,000. You'll have real data, and then when these people come back and want to do something, you'll have a benchmark to measure what's really happening. You'll still have to figure out whether what they did caused the change or whether it was something else, but at least you'll have data about real tax spending, by whom, where, where they came from, all that stuff you need. It's a lot cheaper than this. |
| 04:11:27.48 | Unknown | Thank you. Any other public comment? Seeing no other public comment. Mark, are you part of the team or are you public comment? Come on. |
| 04:11:37.32 | Jim Gurney (Casa Madrona) | But I am part of the team. So in- Here they are. |
| 04:11:40.56 | Unknown | INVOLVED. |
| 04:11:40.96 | Russ | Thank you. |
| 04:11:42.72 | Jim Gurney (Casa Madrona) | Last year in July, the city sought out our support for the increase in transit occupancy tax rate. At that time, both the Casa Madrona and the Inn above tide lent our support, with the proviso that the city was going to dramatically and significantly increase their investment in the business community. And when we come up with this proposal, it seems that the city is extremely resistant to the suggestions that we've made. And I find it very disappointing that we put our best effort in supporting the city. Individually, we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars marketing our individual hotels and marketing hotels means marketing experiences that involve not just hotel rooms but of course restaurants retail space outdoor spaces we are a great supporter of the city of Sausalito and in it and we perhaps to our own detriment, supported the increase in transient occupancy tax. And we thought that we would get a response that the city would support the hotels. And it doesn't seem to be the case. So I find it disappointing, and I wish that we could work more constructively together. Thank you. |
| 04:13:31.16 | Unknown | Jeff? Yes. |
| 04:13:36.84 | Lorna Newland | Lorna Newland. As I mentioned before, I have a small business in town, Sausalito Pottery. I've been in the Chamber of Commerce for 17 years when I opened. And I was on the board for five years. Unfortunately, I didn't know that this was happening tonight. I just wanted to speak to a few things that I'd like to get straight. I do understand Cavallo Point, the Marine Mammal Center, world renowned. They have a Sausalito address. They're not part of maybe the revenue stream. But the whole point of those places get people to come. People don't think, That's not part of Sausalito. I've had groups who were staying at the Cavallo Point Hotel who have come to my studio for a team building. I have sold my pottery to them for their gift shops. I outfit all the dog friendly rooms. So it's just there's a lot of cooperation with all these different chamber members. I've spoken in years past, especially on previous ones, about reinvesting in the business community. Herb Weiner was a businessman. He really, he got it and he wanted to do that. And I know several years ago when Fairfax and other towns were going bankrupt, Sausalito did not, and it's because of tourism. And I'm a resident, 25 years, there's also people, there are residents who don't want tourism here. But that's what pays for our infrastructure, and it's the Chamber of Commerce through the kiosk and things like that that have helped promote it. I know Jill just mentioned something about volume. What Destination Sausalito is trying to do, the volume that we have right now of people, they're buying ice cream. I don't see them with shopping bags. We're trying to get people to come to stay in our hotels, or even if it's Cavallo Point, and have a whole experience. They're coming for business meetings. They're spouses. They can take classes. They can go kayaking. They can go back and hopefully not be turned away that, oh, Sausalito doesn't like tourists. It's like Bolinas. You don't want to have a sign or remove the sign like, oh, we don't want you here. It's a matter of figuring out and working all together. to have the 350 members or wherever we are now paying for the websites, doing all these things to ideally draw people in. I just think destinationsasalito.com is, is the vision of getting the right people to come. And... Anyway, just wanted to thank you, and it's hard to have a small business, and it's hard to have a big business, and we would hope that people would support all of us. Thank you. |
| 04:16:29.31 | Unknown | Thank you. Jeff Schrock. |
| 04:16:35.04 | Jeff Schrock | Thank you. Just wanted to talk about a few things that I didn't maybe mention earlier on. One which is, yes, we are looking to increase the higher spend of our visitor. Right now, Lorna did mention, yes, visitors are walking around. If you notice people without shopping bags, they're not spending. They're not in town. So we're not doing it right. So if we're not doing it right, how are we going to do it right in 2023? In 2023, as all you know in front of me, no, that's when the nexus hits as far as the city of Sausalito running out of money. So we're trying to find ways and work with you as far as finding ways that we can work together and also may have the city generate some additional funds, but also the business community as well. And of course, part of that, of course, is increasing the spend of our visitor, and also the spend as far as our corporate traveler. And a lot of that too is just providing that targeted group that comes into Sausalito. Right now we're just casting a net of anyone that comes into Sausalito, well, they just come to Sausalito, anyone who shows up. That's not the way you do marketing. We gotta target who we want in Sausalito. Thank you. We've got to make sure that the right kind of customer is coming to our restaurants, to our hotels, to our retail shops. Lorna mentioned ice cream cones. Interesting analysis. An $8 ice cream cone brings how much to the city? 70 cents. Is that the kind of customer? We love ice cream, don't get me wrong. but don't we want that person to have ice cream as lunch, as well as buy some artwork? You know, lunch, artwork, and ice cream now brings the city $44.45. How about an overnight stay? An overnight stay for a corporate traveler of two nights with $125 F&B brings out to $161 to the city of Sausalito. Granted, it's some rudimentary math here, but I think you're getting the idea. What we need to do is target the right market into Sausalito, not more people. We're not looking for more people, more bikes, but the right type of customer coming to Sausalito to bring that revenue for not just the business community, but for the city of Sausalito as well. So thank you. |
| 04:18:42.13 | Unknown | Thank you. Any other public comment? See another public comment. Let's bring it up here for some comments. Joan. Um, I'm going to start with, okay, go ahead. |
| 04:18:53.79 | Joan | I'm going to start. No. Okay. I want to make it clear that I do support the business community, that I am grateful for the business community's support for our proposed increase in the TOT. I'm just not yet convinced that hiring this consultant will accomplish that result. In chatting with the hospitality committee and the chamber of commerce, Last week during the Finance Committee, last week during the General Plan Advisory Committee, and I realized that there is a disconnect between those two organizations. So the executive director of the Chamber of Commerce was not involved in interviewing this consultant that the hospitality committee seeks to hire. Or that was my understanding. it. Okay, so maybe I misunderstood. Um, In any event, I asked questions a week ago at the finance committee that have not yet been answered. How, what can this consultant do to demonstrate, guarantee is too strong a word, but demonstrate a high likelihood of success in generating the types of visitors that we are seeking. seen an answer to that question to my satisfaction yet. And when we allocated $50,000 last year, towards the budget for this investment, we specifically made it conditional upon providing metrics and a measurable return on that investment. But we're being told today that we won't be able to calculate any return on investment for at least two years. And we're being asked to invest $200,000, not the $50,000 that we promised last year. And it may be required to invest that kind of money, and I'm not philosophically opposed to investing that kind of money. If I am convinced that the the consultant that we are hiring has the proven track record of success with working with destinations such as ours and generating the type of business that we're seeking to generate. And I have not seen that from this proposal, and that's my concern. |
| 04:21:25.93 | Joan | And then just to respond to some of the public's comments, I came here as a tourist. And made a decision in four days that I was going to move out here, and I've been here ever since. So, and I have never been disappointed in Sausalito. I absolutely adore this town from the first moment I arrived to the present. I don't think There's necessarily a disconnect between somebody who falls in love with this town as a visitor and someone who actually lives here. Thanks. |
| 04:22:00.48 | Unknown | Thank you. If I could just because I, kind of been a part of this as it's been going on, just give a couple bits of information. First, I want to bring up the pillars, and the reason I'm bringing up the pillars is because that really speaks to the community. And as you saw on the board, we had five pillars, food and beverage, arts and culture, wellness. The reason I think those are important for the community is because it's messaging, and messaging is, This is what we want to be. We have 58 restaurants in Sausalito that we get to go to. So I hope you like to eat at restaurants and I hope you like food and beverage, because the visitors are paying for us to have 58 restaurants. The visitors are paying for us to have certain art accessibility and art galleries and those types of things. And we want the visitors to pay how we want to live, and that might be wellness. It might be four more yoga centers and two something else's. I don't know. The pillars are something the community needs to help design, because it's how you want to live. Is it outdoor recreation? Is it walking trails? Is it access to the water? Is it wellness? Is it those things? Because we're going to ask those high end visitors to help pay for your life. Right now, the only message going out there is it's a great view of San Francisco. It's a great path to get to Muir Woods, and it's a great bike ride. And if you go to the website and say what to do in Sausalito, that's what you get. So there's no message of coming here for health and wellness. There's no message of coming here for great restaurants. There's no message of what we want the message to be. The message was hijacked from us a long time ago, and we've never regained it. So right now, when you go to the digital world of advertising and say Sausalito, it's a great place to get to Muir Woods and it's a great place to ride a bike, but that's not doing it for us as residents. So that's the first question I wanted answered in all of this hospitality conversation. And it really isn't a chamber event. And that's why we have a separation between BAC and hospitality. Hospitality is kind of like in other towns, the visitor and conference bureau. It's the group that brings different business to town. Chambers work with the businesses, they serve the locals, have a great impact. A lot of towns, the chamber and the conference visitors bureau are separate entities. And the hospitality division is kind of that different entity in regards of bringing a corporate traveler. It works with the chamber, they're hand in hand, all that, but it is a different type of animal. It's business development as opposed to sales in some companies. And that's what this effort needs to do, is look at how are we going to change the message and how are we going to bring in that visitor? I did put this on the, I didn't have to put on the dice, but the reason I had this Carmel by the sea is because these are a dime a dozen, frankly. There's a ton of communities doing this, and the only reason I chose this one is because it does reference the other communities and what they're spending. And it does reference that Napa Valley's spending 6.5 million. Sonoma's county is 4.7, just the town of Sonoma, that little itty bitty city spending $730,000 on a program like this annually. Carmel by the sea is spending 620,000. So that's good information to have as far as building what we want to look like, if we think those are good places. But more importantly, it also breaks down where that money comes from. And most of those do either a self assessment on their TOT or they get a percentage of the TOT from the community, from the city. In the case of Carmel, they're 1% of the TOT and then the city of Carmel kicks in another $110,000 just out of its general fund. So there is a precedent for communities spending their TOT, even when there's a community like Carmel that has a ton of people. And I've been to Carmel, hard to walk around sometimes, ton of people. They still have the need to have a marketing program to talk about who they want and how they're going to. And they get $6.5 million in TOT, that tiny little town. So let's keep that in perspective as well. I understand what Councilmember Cox is saying and I think we need to commit to, is this the type of discussion we're going to have? This might not be the exact path we want to take, but we as a council have to get past the noise of visitors, this and all the naysayers have got us to this point, and commit to, are we going to do a program to invest in bringing a certain type of travel here and changing that message and then Do we do it in a $50,000 increment this year? So that's kind of where I want to bring that discussion at this point. I want to hear more from you on those, but that's kind of what we were kind of looking at from this committee is, you know, create that message and get it out there, but we have to make sure we do get the message. My answer to that. |
| 04:26:38.04 | Joan | My answer to that would be yes, absolutely, I'm committed to that program. |
| 04:26:39.73 | Unknown | And one more thing on the metric. |
| 04:26:42.48 | Joan | I want to make sure, I'd like to find out the company that is working for each of these people that they're spending that money on. |
| 04:26:48.77 | Unknown | Well, I can tell you, Visit Napa Valley is the company itself. I mean, it's huge. Carmel, and this is a great metric because this is exactly the metric we want to use. This accounts for an increase in transit occupancy tax of 2.4 in 2017. Perhaps most importantly the off season periods on which our marketing is focused on the largest gains in revenue per room RevPAR. And I brought up RevPAR before. That is our single biggest metric on this type of program is the increase in RevPAR. And I have to argue with Jeff, the RevPAR is not going to go up $2 million. and it's not going to go up 55%. RevPAR is revenue per room, per available room. So we do have to work on that metric, but that is the metric we're going to use. Because that's, again, this is our dime a dozen. Every community has these. |
| 04:27:31.55 | Unknown | Because that's Mm-hmm. |
| 04:27:37.74 | Unknown | So, yeah. |
| 04:27:37.86 | Susan | So, |
| 04:27:39.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:27:40.00 | Susan | Oh, right now. |
| 04:27:40.83 | Unknown | you |
| 04:27:40.91 | Susan | Thank you. |
| 04:27:40.93 | Unknown | All right, Susan. |
| 04:27:41.59 | Susan | Yeah, no, so I definitely, I do not want the message tonight to be that the city council does not support our local business community and does not remember. the events last year where we proposed increasing the TOT and the business community including the hotels got behind that even though that was going to be a definite impact. So I am. I was very much in favor and agree with the idea of reinvesting in our businesses. And agree with the goal of the low impact, high revenue, long term plan to get there. I think... And tonight, and with this maybe at the Finance Committee, there's just questions about the plan. And I don't think that's a bad thing, I think this is a continuing conversation and most important thing to me is that we agree on a general kind of image and plan and i think the pillars are a really good start to that and then that we get to the metrics and i just didn't feel tonight that we're at um that we've got a good goal of the metrics and i think this idea of off-season increases and the rev par this new term that um didn't know you know is our good goals but i think we need to do some more work on the metrics that we're looking at i mean what i remembered from our conversation last year is not necessarily some guaranteed return on investment, but a credible plan to get to a return on investment that was backed by backed by facts. So I, I am in favor of continuing this conversation. I'm committed to investing. back into the business community and our budget. But I think we still need to do some work on that. But I like A lot of the ideas I heard tonight, I think some of them still need some work. And I think the economics and the assumptions were just not supported. |
| 04:29:59.20 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 04:30:00.37 | Jill Hoffman | Well, yeah, I mean I'm echoing some of the skepticism, I think. I'm using the word skepticism, but I think with the plan, as has been presented, you know and and where you look at, I mean, when you look at the tourism impacts that we already have and the efforts the city has had in reducing some of the congestion and reducing some of the volume. You can't have one and not have the other. So if you're not going to support efforts to reduce volume from visitors who aren't particularly in line with your high impact, high dollar spending. then you can't also advocate you know for us to spend $200,000. for a marketing plan to bring that kind of visitor here, that's going to mean that you're going to have both types of visitors. So you're going to increase the volume. I mean, you can't have one without the other if you're not going to make an effort So I see this. I view this with the same. concerns that have already been voiced but also with the addition that You know, if you want to, the city to engage in this supporting this path and you as a group, you're coming to us asking us for funding, you have to also address that side of the issue as well. Because if you do a marketing plan like this, it's not going to magically just people coming Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday in the winter. It's people coming all the time, so you're increasing the overall volume. Um, And So, and of course we always look through this of the lens of what is the justification for the people of SOS Leader to pay for this, and I get it, I completely support. that we want to increase revenues because we want to have a different type of visitor come here and enjoy some of our luxury more high end, more revenue generating activities, I get that completely. But I don't see it in this plan and I don't see it for all the reasons that have already been stated. But I remain optimistic that perhaps a plan might be presented. This one is not it. to, uh, I think the credit card information is incredibly helpful. Um, I believe In the past when Ray and I were on the Finance Committee meeting at some point. What was the name of that plant? There was a request that we purchase this information. What's it called? Something like that. Anyway, it's like 11.30 at night, so bear with me. But the business has already had that information. Like the individual businesses has the exact credit card information that Russ is talking about, and at that point, some of the main hospitality businesses aggregated that information and presented that in a report. to Russ Irwin's point, A proposal like that to actually gather hard data information that we can then analyze, and you start from that, like that's the point that you start from, right? But I suspect that if we aggregated that from the businesses, that are part of the hospitality and advocating for this plan. We would already have that information or at least enough of it to develop policy going forward. So those are my comments tonight. |
| 04:33:25.23 | Ray Withy | Um, I didn't mean to go last, it's only by accident at 25 minutes to midnight. |
| 04:33:39.96 | Ray Withy | I agree with the Vice Mayor. You should not be taking away tonight the idea that this council is not supporting economic development. Because I think this is a council that is more pro-economic development than any other you've had here for a decade or more. We've been talking about this concept for five years. I used to be liaison to the hospitality committee till I think they kicked me out or somebody moved me and I am actually highly supportive of a marketing plan, I'm highly supportive of the concept of bringing high value visitors in to fill in the gaps where you know volume is low i mean i'm totally on board with that and i think the city should have a major role in um stimulating that economic development um i always have um I think the The level of investment doesn't bother me either. And I think that if there was, quite frankly, a more credible proposal, I think there may have been a very different discussion. And I'm sorry for offending Some folks, because I know some of you work very hard at this. I'm sorry, this proposal was horrible. I mean, it was just horrible. Not because of the dollar amount, not because there just wasn't enough homework done. Nobody was convinced that through this effort, you'd get the return that you were talking about. you know, when some of the numbers are so incredulous that credibility is immediately thrown out the window. Yeah. So I support the concept I have for five years. We were talking about it when Stefan was the general manager of the Castle Madrona. And we had a lot of confidence that maybe we could fund something at that point. I think, in all fairness, You need to go back to the drawing board and to reassess What would be the best, again, with the same concept, again, I like the concept. figure out how to First of all, stage, second into phases. Second, come up with a proposal where there's a clear you can clearly see what the metrics are gonna be, how you're gonna measure the return. and again I'll just end up by saying I don't believe that even though we were less than enthusiastic on this particular proposal. I really think it would be unwise and incorrect to go away and think that this council is not supporting economic development, because that's just not true. That's just not true. It's not about just because It was... promised it's the right thing to do. It's the sensible thing to do and you know all cities should be doing it. You know, I'm not sure what else I can say. And sorry if I've offended people. |
| 04:38:05.96 | Unknown | Well, I think it's clear. We, hospitality needs to come back with something. But, I mean, your comments and the comments across the board seem to be very consistent. Absolutely. We're on board with the program, we're on board with spending money, we need to fine tune the program. |
| 04:38:14.45 | Unknown | Absolutely. |
| 04:38:18.77 | Unknown | And we should do it quickly because we have 50 in this budget and we want to make sure that we have a program going forward Maybe earmark some money, but we need to find a better way to spend it at this point |
| 04:38:29.56 | Meg Fawcett | Agreed. |
| 04:38:30.47 | Unknown | Thank you. No other motion at this point. Thank you. We don't need to do anything official. All right, thank you, hospitality. |
| 04:38:51.46 | Unknown | Hey Nathan, you wanna do a program tonight? |
| 04:38:55.59 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:38:56.12 | Unknown | What town we got? I think we still get to buy news. I mean, by midnight. |
| 04:39:01.03 | Joan | Bye, Nudes. |
| 04:39:01.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:01.74 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 04:39:01.77 | Unknown | I think we still do midnight. |
| 04:39:02.73 | Joan | I almost feel like it's noon. |
| 04:39:04.84 | Unknown | . Thank you. |
| 04:39:06.58 | Joan | you |
| 04:39:06.73 | Unknown | Thank you. I can talk to him. |
| 04:39:13.45 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Council will probably have to do a half hour |
| 04:39:16.97 | Joan | Nice job. |
| 04:39:17.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:18.10 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:39:19.54 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. |
| 04:39:19.57 | Joan | Because his power point is very well laid out, I thought. |
| 04:39:22.78 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:39:32.80 | John Robacher | Thank you. |
| 04:39:32.90 | Mike Langford | Thank you. |
| 04:39:33.04 | Unknown | you |
| 04:39:33.11 | John Robacher | Thank you. |
| 04:39:33.22 | Mike Langford | You want that or you want your other ones? This is great. This is great. I'll slide through this. I'm sure. It's perfect. |
| 04:39:35.47 | Michael McCormick | Thank you. Thank you. Great. |
| 04:39:36.56 | John Robacher | Thank you. |
| 04:39:40.88 | Mike Langford | Thank you. |
| 04:39:45.17 | John Robacher | for stretching their legs. |
| 04:39:49.63 | John Robacher | Ready to go? |
| 04:39:53.93 | John Robacher | Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the City Council. |
| 04:39:56.12 | Unknown | but you're not. |
| 04:39:58.30 | John Robacher | I'm John Robacher, your Chief of Police, I'm also staff liaison for the Pedestrian Bike Advisory Committee. So it's my pleasure to introduce- |
| 04:40:06.23 | Unknown | Hold on, hold on. You guys, we're cutting out this. |
| 04:40:07.43 | John Robacher | Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we got this item here. |
| 04:40:09.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:09.98 | John Robacher | So I start over? No. OK, so it's my pleasure to introduce Nathan Scripps, the chair of the Pedestrian Bike Advisory Committee, and also two members of the committee that are here tonight with them, David Sudo and Aaron Roller. I'll be hanging out if you have questions. |
| 04:40:13.12 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 04:40:23.46 | Unknown | Thank you. Sorry to make you guys wait so long. We are going to ask for a good one here, but appreciate you being here. I'm known for speaking quickly. I know that. |
| 04:40:33.87 | Nathan Scripps | All right, so I've been on the PBAC, this is my second year. I'm happy to be chairing. David Suda has been on longer than any of us. Aaron Roller has been on for a while, he is vice chair. I just want to say thanks for the time, late as it is. And I want to let you know that a lot of what we've done this year has been organizational in nature, taking cues from Joe Burns and his effort to get all the committees a little bit more collaborative in nature, and have them document what they're working on so we can share it more easily. In that regard, we bucket things now into three focus areas. If it does not go into one of these focus areas easily, we move it into a parking lot, basically to be discussed later on down the line when all of these focus areas are well addressed. Our three focus areas are updating the circulation element of the general plan, ensuring safe routes to schools is our second. And third, improving circulation, which up until recently was addressing congestion. We changed the language to be more in line with what the city is trying to do in the general plan. So those three focus areas are what we talk about every single time we meet. All of you are welcome to join every time we meet. It has been monthly, but we may amend that meeting schedule based on other priorities the city has due to landslide, budget areas, and things like that. We were very enthused to see the budget questions earlier. And what I want to do tonight is just give you three examples of projects that we are proposing for some action. In the agenda, there is a link to these. So you will see some images on the bottom, Coloma crosswalk. Pilot for Bridgeway bike lanes and the downtown red zones and loading zones, we want to address that in a bit. Starting off quickly. The Coloma Street crosswalk, with the MLK Park renovation, there is a path that skirts along the backside of the park. You'll see they're in green, and it leads to an active roadway, Coloma Street, with no crosswalk. It joins mid-block, which makes a little bit for a harder time to put a crosswalk in. Nonetheless, we will have schoolchildren every single day going to and from school on foot and on bike, and we are leading them to an active roadway with no crosswalk. School starts in August. Construction closes soon on MLK, and we really hope to have this at least discussed and approved. We saw numbers earlier, and I'm happy to see that that much has been moving. In the agenda, there is a link to our standard one-page form. Every one-page form has images like you see at the bottom, some details at the top, and then some links to our agenda items where we have discussed it if you want to hear what we've been saying. So those are available for everyone to review, including you guys up on the council. So if we look at the, so this is Coloma Street, asking for a crosswalk to connect the new constructed path on MLK to the existing gravel path so the kids going to school can do so safely the entire way. It's important to note that this is related to the complete streets idea that was passed in 2017. Complete streets meaning that everybody of all ages and abilities of all modes of transportation get safe access to thoroughfares and ways and means. So this is related to that project as well. Second project we want to talk about is the idea of putting bike lanes on Bridgeway, another project that has been discussed for quite some time. We know that Bridgeway is in need of repair. We've talked about it for a while now. Our interim city planner, Mr. Bracken, as well as Jonathan Goldman before he left, talked about the fact that it just needs major renovations and repair. When heavy trucks or buses move over it, if you're standing on the water side, you can kind of hear the roadway rattling a little bit. Not a good sign. The idea that we've talked about with Bjorn Greifenberg from MCBC is that when you want to do a pilot is before a major construction effort. That way your pilot can inform what you do with the larger dollars and bigger spend later. The nice benefit of the idea of doing a pilot program pre-construction is that doing the pilot actually extends the usable life of Bridgeway by using a slurry coat or slurry seal, which is the way we would have to uniformly coat the road to get rid of that center strip. The center lane right now, which is technically a center left turn lane, is made of concrete, which makes a different visual lane, asphalt, concrete, asphalt. And what we want to do is coat that entire thing and then repaint the lines that gives us both a longer usable surface on bridgeway so extending our timeline on when we will do the expensive construction effort that we know we are going to have to do in the near term a couple years out probably at max so this is not a general plan consideration. This is not 20 years out. This is 10 years or less easy. Aaron Roller has put together the images that you see here, showing that the existing roadway, including the existing sidewalks, allows enough room to replace the center lane, which is most often used for illegal parking, with bike lanes on both sides of the road. So we think that's a pretty good trade, and especially if we do it before the construction, we know that we can do better versions of this with the actual construction effort later on. The third project that I want to review quickly is that in the downtown red zones, a longstanding problem we actually found, thanks to David Sudo's research efforts, we found an article from 1962 where the then city manager asked, or city manager took the chief of police and was like, why aren't we ticketing people that are parking trucks downtown illegally? We should be doing this. And we had the same conversation, and for a variety of reasons, like businesses need stuff delivered in the morning, they need stuff taken away, trash is using it. And so illegal parking just became a way of life over time. I mean, this is a 50-plus-year-old ongoing conversation. The fact of the matter is that when you take up all these red zones, you see in the top left corner four different illegal vehicles parked in the red zones. You see on the right-hand side, you see blocking the lines of sight at crosswalks there in the dead center of town. Bottom right-hand corner, you see a cyclist narrowly going through two trucks, which is now a one-lane road that is otherwise a two-wide lane road. And at the bottom, you see something that both Aaron and I witnessed on our ways to work from two different sides. Aaron saw it from the north looking south as you see the cyclist who was cycling in the right-hand side of lane, commuting to work. The Porsche, the white Porsche on the right, was very slowly trying to navigate as trucks and other cars were moving around the illegally parked cars. And this poor biker almost got hit by two different vehicles. He did not want to stop and have a conversation with me about his experience afterwards. I don't know why. But both of us saw it, Aaron thankfully snapped pictures of it. And this is the type of near collision that we are willfully creating, especially at the peak hours of commute. Because commute hours, especially in the morning, is when the most commercial trucks are doing their loading and unloading. And it's when the most cyclists are trying to use Bridgeway to go over the hill and get into the city. And then as you come the other way, school children at that same hour are trying to go to school. We leave the bike train from the south side of the city all the way up to Willow Creek and beyond, and that is when school children, errands get included, are having to weave around these illegally parked vehicles both in the center lane and in the red zones downtown. So the request now, summarizing, for all three of these projects is that Now that we have MLK almost wrapped up and we have children that are going to go to school every single day, we would like to have a crosswalk so they can safely go from the cool path we just made to the cool school they want to go to and they can do it all safely. That's a big win for everybody. I haven't heard anybody say they don't want this project to go forward. I was so happy to see money discussed about it earlier. That has been a hanging point for a bit. Second, in the middle on Bridgeway, I want to make sure that there's no timeline on this. We're not suggesting that there is one or any urgency. Just to talk about it as a pre-major construction effort. The time to do a pilot is before that major construction. And if we do the pilot right, it actually extends the timeline for when that major reconstruction effort will be required. That's just a benefit of doing the slurry coat or slurry seal to make a uniform roadway. And then last at the bottom, please prioritize public safety and create additional loading zones downtown. in addition to maybe just kind of hopefully improving signage We already painted them red. It's already illegal to park them. So yeah, additional loading zones. The ideas here are we could either use Tracy way differently if we moved bike parking away, or we could use our digital meters to have loading zones along those metered spaces during key hours. So they wouldn't be used for private citizens. They would be used for loading and unloading, especially right there on Bridgeway, if we made those meters flexible. So all these things are rather doable. Hopefully they are low enough cost that we can get them done in a soon enough timeline. And these are our three projects and three requests. That took a little longer than I want. |
| 04:48:52.51 | Unknown | Thank you, Nathan. That was great. Any questions for Nathan? |
| 04:48:55.53 | Joan | Have you sought any monies from the Marin County Bicycle Coalition. |
| 04:49:01.42 | Nathan Scripps | Yes, the MCBC and TAM are the two greatest places that we have to access money. Yep. The big thing there is we need to see timelines on our side so that they can work with timelines on their side. So we have a history in PBAC for not exactly turning out as many projects per year as we would like. We've actually lost two of our members over the last 14 months, more or less for that reason. And we had a wholesale turnover, Dave David Sudo, when I joined. So we want to make sure that we are putting the ball kind of forward first, and then MCBC and TAM are definitely engaged, and they are super excited about completing the North-South Greenway from Marin all the way down to the Golden Gate Bridge, and we are kind of that last linchpin. So I know there's money coming from that. |
| 04:49:41.75 | Unknown | I will add that Bjorn Grepenberg sits as a liaison, so he's at the meetings as well with them. So he will bring anything, like when we have funding requests, that type of thing. Yeah. |
| 04:49:45.72 | Nathan Scripps | Okay. |
| 04:49:50.28 | Nathan Scripps | And the idea of the Bridgeway bike lanes, the timing of that and the methodology for that, he pulled from previous projects that had been done, I believe, in San Anselmo. |
| 04:50:00.43 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 04:50:03.07 | David Sudo | Great. |
| 04:50:04.47 | Ray Withy | Nathan, explain to me again how The restaurants are let's say on Bridgeway, are going to be able to get you know, The trucks unloaded. If you've got a bike lane there, I don't get that. |
| 04:50:23.87 | Nathan Scripps | Sure, so the meters on the west side of Bridgeway can be switched so that some of them are designated for loading zones during key parts of the day when those trucks are likely to be there. And those trucks have a flexible schedule that we can hopefully convince them to use a different timing. The other is that bike lanes can be blocked temporarily for loading and unloading. It's not the best situation, but it is certainly no worse than the current situation we have. Anything to add on that one? I know you've thought about this a bit more. |
| 04:50:55.56 | Aaron Roller | No, that last point is key. It's already, we have bike lanes, it's already downtown. They're being blocked by commercial vehicles. |
| 04:51:04.36 | Nathan Scripps | So a combination of changing the metering so that those metered spots become designated loading, unloading. Thinking about how we could move bikes, either use Tracy Way, kind of move bikes either into parking lot one or beyond so that that Tracy Way could be a loading, unloading zone, which is still down in that downtown corridor. And we lost some loading zones on Princess while Starbucks is under reconstruction. So there are areas that can be designated loading zones as an alternative. Thank you. |
| 04:51:28.28 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:51:28.67 | Nathan Scripps | you including what will be continued illegal parking along Bridgeway. |
| 04:51:33.92 | Unknown | Susan. |
| 04:51:34.90 | Susan | So that was one of my questions, so thank you. And then second, we've been talking a lot about budget tonight. Does the PBAC have any prioritization of these projects? |
| 04:51:46.97 | Nathan Scripps | These are the three projects that we would ask. The only one that has an immediate timeline is the crosswalk, because kids are coming back in August. This bridgeway is intentionally supposed to be a precursor to the larger construction effort, and that larger construction effort is going to be a conversation that is guided by other mechanisms. |
| 04:52:05.06 | Susan | And so part of the Bridgeway project would be collecting data and... kind of figuring out if we put in too many loading zones or not enough loading zones to get to a longer term project at the time of ultimate reconstruction. Right. Is that the idea? |
| 04:52:18.12 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 04:52:18.13 | Nathan Scripps | Right. |
| 04:52:22.18 | Nathan Scripps | And I think that any design effort we do, which earlier we saw the earmarked budget for design effort along Bridgeway from Mr. Bracken, any design effort or any resource we put towards that project with the pilot will be able to roll forward as research done towards the actual construction as well. So it's spend once, use twice. |
| 04:52:40.02 | Susan | Great, and then just a side note, so the folks I work with in San Francisco who are into sustainability and biking don't use the word parking lot anymore, they call it the bike rack. |
| 04:52:49.54 | Nathan Scripps | Ah, thank you very much. So, PBAC might want to. |
| 04:52:50.03 | Susan | So feedback might want to. |
| 04:52:51.55 | Nathan Scripps | THE END OF The ideas that go into the bike rack. Thank you very much. |
| 04:52:52.14 | Susan | THE END OF THE END OF THE Adapt. |
| 04:52:57.05 | Susan | Just a suggestion. |
| 04:52:59.65 | Unknown | Any other questions? Seeing none, is there any public comment on this item, public comment on the feedback item or Lorna? |
| 04:53:12.30 | Lorna Newland | Lorna Newland, and I'm sure you're thrilled, it's a third time in one night. But I'm actually thrilled that there's going to be a crosswalk at Coloma Street. As the city staff knows, police, I have complained about speeders on Coloma Street, mostly speeders for 13 years through the MLK parking lot, which that's a different thing. Um, I've been actually was very tempted to go out at midnight one night with a roller and a white paint and do my own. But what I am wondering is why it's $60,000, because I saw that earlier on the budget. What children are actually walking? Because there are many times in the afternoon I witness children. As I mentioned to you earlier tonight, I live in Whiskey Springs. My studio's at the MLK school, the old one. So I actually walk that path almost daily. If it is city property that I can't even read that. City property, it's very gravelly, it's very ruddy. I've almost sprained my ankle there before. So that part, if that's a walkway for children, is not the best. It's often overgrown. I once mentioned to one of the city workers over at MLK, You know, there's a tree that broke, and actually, I forget his name now, But anyway. I saw later on he cut the broken branch away, so that was great. That was many years ago. So I witness kids essentially trespassing through Whiskey Springs landscaping and sometimes climbing down our retaining wall and I've reported it. And they come into our parking lot and they're going through. So I'm wondering when they walk across this, are they then going to go down Bridgeway or are they going to cut across? And I don't know that there's really a sidewalk yet. on that side of the street. There is a sidewalk on the Whiskey Springside. So, um, THE FAMILY. Anyway, so it was more of a safety issue on that, but also why, unless it's lots of lights or something, It will really help, especially the French school parents. But from what I witness of all this time, French school parents often walk their kids to school or they're driving them. and the Whiskey Springs kids I see cutting through, or sorry, Willow Creek. cutting through Whiskey Springs and then ending up on the bridgeway walkway. It'll be great for me, but I'm just not sure who's using it and why it's going to cost so much. Thank you. |
| 04:55:53.21 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Sybil, are you getting up to speak? I have I. |
| 04:55:54.74 | Lorna Newland | Yeah. |
| 04:56:00.63 | Sybil | Thank you. I am in favor of that crosswalk. I live a half a block away. I've lived in that part of town for eight years. Kids do use it daily coming down from Willow Creek. They come out that pathway. And then they're at risk. They're mostly kids that are walking north from there. There are a lot of the kids that go back to Marin City. In fact, the majority of kids that use that path are kids heading north from there. And the hope is that they'll be able to use the new walking path around the edge of the park. unless they're going to buy a bagel or something which they often do after school. The biggest issue there is the, as she was saying, the speeders. And I've talked about this ever since I moved to Rotary Housing. And the speeders come from the south on Olima. They come from Butte and Lincoln. There's a blind corner turning right onto a lima. You cannot see. And because there is no sidewalk, and cars park on that side Everybody is forced to walk in the middle of the street. Thank you. if there Especially I see this from the older residents at Rotary Village. Thank you. that are going to the shop or, you know, post office. They're walking in the middle of the street. and cars come tearing around that corner. Yes, there's a stop sign a block away, But they speed up there and because Chris's cars are parked there or people playing tennis are parked there and there is no sidewalk, Then, okay, so that's a big issue, and I think that has to be addressed in addition to putting in this crosswalk. And, Yeah, so that's my main point there. And I hope that you will consider doing something about that. And I would just mention that complete streets also has an element called safe streets for seniors. |
| 04:58:03.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:58:16.74 | Sybil | And I would like, you know, to I talked to Jonathan about it a few times when he was here. And, um, I think that this particular block, is really a risk. And we need to do something about it, not just for the kids, but also for the older adults that live in the neighborhoods. |
| 04:58:32.67 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:58:32.71 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:58:32.98 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:58:36.19 | Sybil | And A stop sign would be a good idea. If we put in this walkway, I think that there needs to be at least flags, if not lights. And we also have to look at the sidewalks. Thank you. |
| 04:58:52.59 | Russ | Thank you. |
| 04:58:52.64 | Aaron Roller | Thank you. |
| 04:58:53.13 | Russ | you |
| 04:58:53.95 | Aaron Roller | Aaron. Thank you, Aaron Roller, Pedestrian Bicycle Committee, and thank you all for your continued support, it's amazing. As you probably know, I put my neck out there to get kids to school. when riding behind the kids on the bike train or watching them cross the street, because that's what I've been doing every morning. If you look at the newspaper today, you'll see an article about School Tag, and it's a proud moment. But I get to be out there and actually witness this. And I think it's one of the things we hear a lot about is, oh, how will they deliver commercial goods? And it's, well, you mean the... the liquor store, the liquor truck delivering to the restaurant. And it's like, well, how will my child get to school safely. There's a bike lane there. It is a bike lane. And simply, if it's okay to park there, then paint the curb. That's what they do in San Francisco. Paint it, say it's commercial loading. It'll actually really give good instruction to the commercial vehicles, hey, park here because it's safe, Because when it's all red, You just park anywhere, right? There are really, really dangerous places to park. and there are better places to park. So just go ahead and paint it and tell them, hey, it's okay. you can block a bike lane as long as it's not a red curve. So we just need to do some simple civil engineering and do our part to say it's OK to park here at this time so that it's not dangerous. for the children or simply even the tourists. that are actually just trying to use the bike lane. So when we talk about what will the commercial people, what will the whole of the restaurants get their goods? Let's also say, What will the children do to get to school? Or what will the cyclists do to get to the city, simply just trying to ride through our town? Thank you. |
| 05:01:02.63 | Unknown | Thank you and congratulations to Lil and Lai for their exposure this morning. Any other public comment? Seeing none, let's bring it up here for action and comments. |
| 05:01:15.11 | Joan | So our action is review and file this report. |
| 05:01:18.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:01:18.24 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 05:01:18.25 | Unknown | and let's just do comments. |
| 05:01:18.27 | Joan | Thank you. Thank you. Let's just do comments. But I would prioritize the Coloma crosswalk over the other two recommended projects. As we circle back on the budget requests for projects not yet funded in our budget. |
| 05:01:34.37 | Unknown | I will too, and I'll say we need a very specific dollar amount. We need to know what we have to do on the open lot, what type of access we can get away with, that we can challenge ADA, that we can challenge it on that spot, yet do a curb cut. Whatever we need to do, we need to have a dollar amount to figure that out. |
| 05:01:50.58 | Susan | Yeah, and I think it would also be good to some of the ideas that were mentioned, flashing lights, you know, the fence, because a mid-block crossing is going to be inherently problematic. It's just it always is. So whatever we can do to highlight that, or, you know, I don't know if the city would consider speed bumps on either side or or some kind of other traffic calming measures so when we do look at a budget I think we should have the bells and whistles and if we have to Again, value engineer, we will, but it would be good to see. I'm also in favor of the other two projects. I think there does need to be vigorous, I know there's been some outreach on the south end of town. But I don't think the residents there kind of fully. aware of this plan, no fault of yours, but I do think it would behoove us to do a lot of outreach before we did that, but I'm |
| 05:02:48.28 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 05:02:51.74 | Susan | I'm definitely in favor of moving that forward if we can find the money in the budget. |
| 05:02:56.19 | Nathan Scripps | Thank you. |
| 05:02:56.58 | Susan | So, and thanks to the PBAC for being here tonight. So late. |
| 05:03:00.28 | Nathan Scripps | I do want to close with one request. On all of our project documents, so again, every one of these has a separate link project document, the April 15th meeting is linked from there. If you watch the video in the opening three to five minutes, Jen Jenari spoke very eloquently. She works with the San Francisco Bicycle Coalition, and she was speaking to an unfortunate incident where a cyclist died due to a traffic incident, and within a week, I believe, maybe two, there was a buffered bike lane put in that corner that had been discussed ad nauseum. |
| 05:03:32.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:03:37.57 | Nathan Scripps | And it took a tragic accident to force a reaction very, very quickly about something that had been under discussion for quite some time. So while there is no immediate need for the second two projects, you know, we know that the top project at Coloma is the top priority, and I'm glad we all agree to that. I do want to remind people that being proactive about these pays off in unknown dividends. Being reactive to these weighs on you. |
| 05:04:01.52 | Unknown | Thank you. Jill, do you have your comments? |
| 05:04:05.37 | Jill Hoffman | No, just great job from the feedback. Thanks for all your hard work and I echo the prioritization. My one question was, do we need a stop sign along Coloma in this vicinity? |
| 05:04:20.03 | Nathan Scripps | We had talked about that once, I believe, with Jonathan Goldman, and then we talked about it a bit with Dave Bracken as well. And because of the nature of that street, he more or less, or both of them more or less deferred to getting it studied. |
| 05:04:33.65 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. All right, thanks. |
| 05:04:34.79 | Nathan Scripps | Yeah, I don't know why they were hesitant to say yes or no right out the gate, but that was it. Thank you. |
| 05:04:39.47 | Lisa Chilino | Okay. |
| 05:04:39.71 | Nathan Scripps | Thank you. |
| 05:04:39.72 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 05:04:39.81 | Lisa Chilino | Thanks. |
| 05:04:39.89 | Nathan Scripps | Thanks. |
| 05:04:40.25 | Lisa Chilino | Thank you. |
| 05:04:40.26 | Nathan Scripps | Thank you. |
| 05:04:41.92 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I agree with the prioritization. I do like the Bridgeway project though, I got to tell you. And you can't, however, you've got to factor in sea level rise. I remember the last time Jonathan Goldman actually gave a presentation about this very concept or something like that. This was a long time ago before I was on the city council. It created so much buzz it got onto the national news. You know, because we were going to have to raise Bridgeway. And what was that going to cause? So I remember watching it on, can't remember what, CBS or something. |
| 05:05:23.40 | Unknown | We will raise it 10 inches. I don't probably know so much. |
| 05:05:29.42 | Ray Withy | Adam probably knows his story better than me. |
| 05:05:33.05 | Unknown | Great job, Aaron. Thank you, Aaron. Nathan, great job, Aaron. Great job, David. So thank you very much for that timely comments, given that where we are on the budget, that you have fulfilled your white paper duties already. And all that great stuff from the committee, awesome work. I think it's very appropriate that we have sustainability discussing this next issue. PBAC, we're really, our committees are really, love this. I love the energy that they're bringing. So good job, you guys. |
| 05:06:12.74 | Unknown | I'm not sure. Every time I see an agenda, I'm going to cut it in half. You say no. Bye-bye. |
| 05:06:20.75 | Kim Huff | Thanks. |
| 05:06:22.85 | Unknown | I may have too, because when we did it, it didn't look like it was going to be this long. We didn't know we were going to have a tree. |
| 05:06:38.98 | Joan McGroby | because you feel my pain now. |
| 05:06:41.58 | Ting Lee | you |
| 05:06:42.84 | Joan McGroby | America. |
| 05:06:43.65 | Unknown | you |
| 05:06:43.82 | Joan McGroby | Thank you. |
| 05:06:43.97 | Ting Lee | Thank you. |
| 05:06:44.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:06:44.19 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 05:06:44.50 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:06:44.68 | Ting Lee | Thank you. |
| 05:06:44.97 | Aaron Roller | is good for actually. |
| 05:06:45.90 | Mary Wagner | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 05:06:46.03 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 05:06:46.10 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, yeah. |
| 05:06:46.67 | Unknown | Thank you. I thought they were getting ready to start, but go ahead. Thank you. |
| 05:06:48.73 | Mary Wagner | So, um... |
| 05:06:49.34 | Unknown | Okay, hold on, we're going to start the next item, and this is going to be item 6D and 7A and Mary's going to. kick it off. |
| 05:06:56.04 | Mary Wagner | I thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council, the item. Your next item on your agenda is consideration of an ordinance. It's a ban on single use plastics. And I would like to introduce two members of your sustainability commission, Ting Lee and Melissa Blaustein, who are the driving force behind this ordinance. And I'll turn it over to them for their presentation. |
| 05:07:01.40 | Unknown | Don't bring the class up. |
| 05:07:20.85 | Ting Lee | Thank you very much. I'll get started since it is past midnight, and I've never held the presentation on climate change and waste after midnight, so this will be interesting. |
| 05:07:27.90 | Melissa Blaustein | But we are running out of time on climate change. Yes, exactly. |
| 05:07:30.01 | Ting Lee | Yes, exactly. It makes sense. Yep, time is taken. Very nice. So why are we here? Why do we need a single-use plastics ban? We don't have enough time to discuss all the reasons why we need it, but the most important reasons are that plastic never goes away. What it does do is it falls into a million little parts, so it doesn't biodegrade, as we know with plant waste, et cetera. It photodegrades, so it breaks into very small particles, which then eventually make its way into the environment, into wildlife, and it even impacts our human health if, for example, fish eat the microplastics and is then ingested by humans. There are several interconnections. I could go on forever, but I won't since we don't have enough time. So at the same time, plastic never goes away. It can be recycled, but in the U.S., only 8% of plastic is actually recycled. What that means is that the majority of plastic goes to land waste. Why is land waste terrible? Land waste emits methane which is 20 times more potent than CO2 emissions making it 20 times more impactful towards climate change. So there are many reasons to act now. If we look at the numbers in the US, we have about 500 million straws. If we could wrap those around the planet, we could do that about two and a half times every single day. |
| 05:08:49.57 | Unknown | Why? |
| 05:08:51.29 | Ting Lee | That's the amount of just straws, and we're not including all the other plastics that we have. So just to keep it short, WIAC now, Sausalito is a coastal community, of course, I don't need to tell you that, and a lot of the plastic is making its way into the ocean, it's being ingested by sea life. We've all seen, I think, the YouTube video of the straw and the turtle, which is very upsetting, but it was very impactful at the same time. And then it also ties to climate change. So the IPCC was mentioned earlier today, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. They have determined that we have 12 years left to mitigate climate change, meaning that after that, the impacts that we are seeing already, for example, the fires in California, the worst on record, mudslides can be linked to climate change, which we have seen in our community, will be irreversible. It means this will be our new normal, it will get worse, we will have more devastating natural disasters, and they will be more impactful as well. So Hurricane 3 will now be Hurricane 5. And so we've seen many developments from other communities, which is great, and we should jump on that bandwagon and be a part of the movement to reduce our single-use plastic. I'll pass it right over to what we're proposing. |
| 05:10:16.68 | Melissa Blaustein | Great, thank you so much Ting and thank you to the members of the City Council for staying so late and for the members of the audience that are still here and because this is a very important issue. And we will try to go through it quickly, but I don't want to miss anything because we have been working on it for about eight months at the Sustainability Commission. So what we're asking for in this proposed ordinance, is that retail food establishments and non-profit food providers are prohibited from using, selling, or distributing single use plastics, which would include plastic straws, plastic stirrers. plastic cutlery and plastic food service ware. But another very important piece of this ordinance is that single-use plastics are also prohibited at all city facilities and city-sponsored events. So that means Jazz and Blues by the Bay, that means on city property, so the Sausalito Art Festival, that means right here in City Hall, which is actually a great opportunity to engage your staff in how to move forward in becoming more zero waste. And it's also going to have a really immediate impact. So just going over kind of who that means, who we're talking about when we say retail food establishments. Because it's important to distinguish between retail food establishments and for example, the types of food you might buy at a grocery store and why there's a difference. It's all sales, outlets, stores, shops, or other places of business where they operate primarily to sell or convey food. So that would be all of the restaurants that you go into, but also would include to go food at places like Drivers and Molly Stones. Non-profit food providers, so for instance, if the Sausalito Woman's Club is going to put on an event, then we would have the expectation that we already know because they have a fantastic sustainability committee that does a great job of this, they would also have to comply with this ordinance. And as I mentioned, very importantly, on city property as well. So what types of items are affected? And I'll also say, There's more that can be done, but this is what we're starting with now, and we're really excited that we're addressing these three areas. Plastic cutlery, which is what it looks like. I won't spend time explaining to you what a fork and knife and spoon is because I think you know. plastic straws, you saw the troubling numbers that you could circle the earth two and a half million times a day with the number of plastic straws that we use. and food service ware. So that means any to-go containers, the plastic clamshells that you very frequently see, that type of thing. Sorry, were you going to say something? |
| 05:12:39.99 | Unknown | THE FAMILY IS NOT |
| 05:12:40.04 | Melissa Blaustein | Sorry. |
| 05:12:40.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:12:40.79 | Gail | I just brought out companies in the classroom. |
| 05:12:42.87 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah, Susan, you're our liaison. |
| 05:12:45.30 | Gail | you |
| 05:12:45.57 | Melissa Blaustein | I'm sorry. It's okay. So part of making sure that we did this right for Sausalito is we wanted to talk with stakeholders and be sure that we had the support we needed before we brought it before you at the council. So I was very honored to receive, we were really thrilled to have the endorsement of Sausalito Beautiful for this band and we have some members and representatives from Sausalito Beautiful here this evening who have stayed for this, which I have so much appreciation for them for. |
| 05:13:10.24 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:13:10.26 | Julie Carlson | Thank you. |
| 05:13:10.28 | Karin Sachs | We'll see you next week. |
| 05:13:10.34 | Julie Carlson | What's up? |
| 05:13:12.89 | Melissa Blaustein | The Sausalito Women's Club has a fantastic sustainability committee led by Julie Carlson, and they have endorsed this as well. And what was very important for us was making sure that we took the time to talk to the businesses in our community and that we received the endorsement of the Sausalito Chamber of Commerce. I worked really closely. I also serve on the Chamber Board. with Jeff Shirash, who we heard from earlier this evening, taking merchant walks along Bridgeway and Caledonia and talking to businesses to see what they were doing now, to see what might be difficult or easier for them to implement and the best way forward. And I wanted to share this quote from one restaurant because actually, the reason the ban came to us and the idea to start working on it was because Nick Mendel, who's a partner at Copita, approached me and said, why don't we have a single use plastics ban? We're already trying to do it at our restaurant, and he actually helped submit the first ordinance draft for us. Copita's already made strides to remove single use plastics from the restaurants. We are proud to endorse a single use plastics ban. And that's actually what we heard most places. When I was on those merchant walks, pretty much 100% of the managers that we talked to were on board or already transitioning to being on board, even at Smitty's, and already doing everything they could to use as little plastic as possible. But what we did receive while doing the research on this was a request from the chamber to have a one year opt in period. Because the reality is that not all businesses are equipped to immediately turn away from single use plastics. They need help knowing where they can find the right types of compostable materials, how they can do it, and also an opportunity to demonstrate hardship if it doesn't work for them. Right now, for instance, we're working on an educational document that's going to include a list of vendors. I've had the opportunity to speak with Janice from San Anselmo Sustainability Commission, who put together a list of vendors of compostable items. But what's also going to help, and is kind of taking this a step further, is that we're going to include best practices. So it's not necessarily a requirement of the ordinance, but we're going to say to people things like, consider keeping your food service ware underneath the counter unless requested. Or consider not including cutlery with deliveries. Just to say you can save money on cost and you can reduce waste and you can comply with this ban. So giving people the opportunity to learn more and engage more and reduce waste. And then also we wanted to bring everybody to the table, and so we were hoping to host an educational workshop as well, where we'll be able to have all the materials for people to see, like some of the compostable items, what's compostable, what's not, have some expert speakers. There are so many organizations in Marin already working on this, like Zero Waste Marin, for instance. And then also we, I have to give a huge thank you to Bay City Refuse, Greg and Kim. They sit at all of our meetings, and they have been so helpful in developing this and helping us to be sure that we know that we are in compliance with what's compostable for Sausalito. And hopefully they would obviously participate with us. in that as well. And then we do another check in with businesses. So continuing the merchant walks just to say, how's it going? Have you found the cutlery you need? What issues are you having? What next steps can we provide? And then if there's some issue, for instance, there's an exemption in the ordinance, if you have demonstrated hardship, we would follow up with that business and say, hey, what's been most difficult? How can we help you to make this easier? What best practices can we provide to help you with your use? So there is a lot more that can be done around single-use plastics and zero waste and getting us to where we really need to be. But this is a really strong first and we're really excited about it and we feel like we've done the necessary outreach to get the right stakeholders on board so we're really pleased to be presenting to you tonight and we hope that you will support it |
| 05:16:55.71 | Unknown | Thank you. Great presentation. Any public comment? Carolyn Rebell. Any other public comment? How many do you got? |
| 05:17:04.52 | Carolyn Revell | As Melissa said, we, Sausalito Beautiful, voted at a recent meeting to endorse the proposed ordinance. One of our goals is to mitigate climate change, and anything that reduces our carbon footprint is something that we endorse. I'm also here representing a group called Resilient Neighborhoods. We had a team here in Sausalito. Resilient Neighborhoods is an award-winning countywide program that teaches strategies for sustainable living, and we also endorse this ban and hope that you will as well. Thank you. |
| 05:17:34.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:17:40.44 | Julie Carlson | Thank you. |
| 05:17:40.49 | Mary Wagner | Good morning. |
| 05:17:41.34 | Julie Carlson | Thank you. |
| 05:17:41.47 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 05:17:41.61 | Julie Carlson | I'm not. |
| 05:17:41.68 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 05:17:41.79 | Julie Carlson | I'm Julie Carlson and I'm here representing two organizations. The Sausalito Presbyterian Church, where I serve as an elder and also as the chair of the green team. And the Sausalito Women's Club, where with Sue Currier, a former member of the Sausalito Sustainability Commission. I co-chair the sustainability committee And Sue and I are both on the executive board. So I'm really excited to be here this morning to give you the enthusiastic endorsement of the governing bodies of both of these organizations. |
| 05:18:11.11 | Unknown | of the governing body. |
| 05:18:14.75 | Julie Carlson | Both the church for the community lunch program and the woman's club for all of our programs have sufficiently budgeted money to provide compostable products. We encourage, for sustainability, the existing tableware. But we do. fund and supply all of the compostable products for both these organizations that have been approved by Greg Christie from Space City Refuse. And we still find that individuals who are trying to do the right thing purchase 100% compostable products as on the label. Which of course are not compostable anywhere in Marin County. This is why we're so excited and positive about this ordinance, which we think its trickle-down effect will help the public come to understand what is compostable in our community. It's going to help waste management at our events where there will be less sorting of recycling and trash versus composting. Thank you. We're enthusiastic that it will encourage people to compost. And we want to make it clear that we are not going to be able to recycle our way out of trash, but maybe we can compost our way into a better sustainable earth. The average person just wants to know what composts, and honestly, people simply use what is simple, what is easy, and what is familiar to them. And this is why this ordinance provides a wonderful opportunity to make products that are truly compostable by Bay City standards familiar to the merchants and the public, and we both benefit. The nonprofits are already complying. This ordinance and its educational component are important steps moving us towards a sustainable future. And I would like to leave you with the words of Reverend Hale who said, I am only one, but I am one. And repurpose that a little bit for the city council and say we are only one city. |
| 05:20:06.56 | Unknown | the same |
| 05:20:08.91 | Julie Carlson | But we are one. We cannot do everything, but we can do something. And because we cannot do everything, we will not refuse to do this something we can't do. Please support this ordinance with blessings from the church and gratitude from the Women's Club. Thank you. |
| 05:20:23.58 | Unknown | Thank you, Julie. Jan. |
| 05:20:30.90 | Jan Johnson | possible act to follow. I apologize for sending you guys so much literature in my emails. I knew it was horrible, but I didn't know it was as horrible as it is until I started reading this last week. If global warming isn't gonna get us, then plastics is. 8 billion tons of plastic going to the ocean every year. All the Garbage patches in the oceans, of which there's not just the Great Pacific garbage patch, there's one twice as big in the South Pacific. There's one in the North and South Atlantic. THE FAMILY IS There's gajillion tons of plastic there, and we can't just go scoop it up because it does break down to small itty-bitty bits. The one in the North Pacific, that's anywhere from 500 to 1,000 miles off of California, Thank you. is the size of Texas and it's 10 meters deep or deeper. The fragments have broken down to the size of zooplankton, So the fishes that eat it can't distinguish the plastics from their food sources. There's also chips and little bits that look like shrimp, so the seabirds are eating them. Millions and millions of fish and seabirds are dying every year. 100,000 marine mammals die every year. The plastics absorb the toxins in the seawater, so we get dioxin and PCPs and polyvinyl, whatever, that goes on. Those are all known, many of them cause cancer. They increase heart disease. Some of them cause breast cancer. They cause miscarriages. They cause other kind of sexual dysfunctions. Um, the baby fishy. the Plastic sinking its zooplankton, the medium fish eat the baby fish, The big fish eat the medium fish and we eat the big fish. So not only are we putting species at risk of extinction, but they just say 100 A million species will be gone in 10 years, but we're probably putting ourselves at significant health risk and at risk of famine for loss of food sources in the sea if we don't stop plastic pollution. So please vote yes on this. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, Janet. Sorry for being so preachy. |
| 05:22:54.39 | Unknown | Thank you, Jim. |
| 05:22:58.88 | Unknown | Any other public comment on this item? Seeing none, we're going to appear. Go ahead, Susan. |
| 05:23:06.12 | Susan | I'm going to go first as the liaison to the sustainability commission. So I just want to thank Melissa and Chang for carrying this through and the other members of the sustainability commission and for Mary helping with the drafting. But this has just been a great project and a lot of effort and time has gone into it. And I've learned a lot just working on it with you. And I think this issue of what is compostable and what is plastic, there's so many products out there that I think this will be a great education for the whole community about really looking at those labels. And Bay City Refuse will be a great resource for that. So that's great. I also think just going back to our prior discussion about Sausalito's image and kind of our business community, I think this is a great place to start with kind of projecting the... um what we want to see sausalito be and kind of projecting that across um the community through the businesses and to um visitors as well so i think it has a lot of benefits in addition to all of the great environmental benefits that are public and you guys highlighted so i'm fully supportive i like the one yearin, and I like the idea of going above and beyond with best efforts and other ideas for people to even go beyond the ordinance. So thank you so much. |
| 05:24:30.71 | Jim Gurney (Casa Madrona) | Thank you. Great. |
| 05:24:32.65 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I'm obviously fully supportive. I just want to take this opportunity to thank you two guys, but also the sustainability commission as a whole. I don't think people realize, I know you mentioned San Anselmo, but we have a very strong sustainability commission. The first thing I did when I joined this council was I was liaison to the sustainability commission. It had just finished a very major project of introducing composting into Sausalito. Jan was on the Sustainability Commission at that time. And I think this is an equivalent major achievement. So congratulations. Chill. |
| 05:25:23.24 | Jill Hoffman | Great job, very great report, great effort, fully supportive. Should I just make the motion? No. No. You guys want to talk? |
| 05:25:29.47 | Lisa Domene (Mucho Gusto Marketing) | No. |
| 05:25:33.20 | Joan | I'm fully on board. You and I reviewed this as part of the legislative committee, so we've already blessed this. |
| 05:25:34.24 | Jill Hoffman | on board. So we've already blessed. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:25:39.97 | Joan | We did want you to add paper receipts, banning those mile long paper receipts from CVS. |
| 05:25:47.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:25:49.48 | Joan | We just laughed at that. |
| 05:25:49.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:25:49.89 | Jill Hoffman | after that. But wait, that's outside Sausalito. We will include |
| 05:25:50.78 | Melissa Blaustein | We will include in the educational documents recommendations for receipts upon request only, which I will note Drivers already does. And Camillies. |
| 05:25:58.54 | Unknown | 26 inches the other night for two things at CVS. Yeah. |
| 05:26:01.70 | Julie Carlson | Yeah. |
| 05:26:03.72 | Unknown | I'm not sure. So you don't know. Excellent, I mean, single use plastics is, this was a great program. But this, and I used the word earlier today with the city attorney, this was good government. This was just a great process, watching this go through the system, coming out of committee, going to legislative, city attorney, the commission being so And dealing with the community and going out and the walking and all of that, that is exactly how this picture looks. And it just became the epitome of how we should do things. So congratulations on a much larger level on how you did this, but then this effort as well, which I hope does get us some notoriety in the general region of starting this process. And you guys should take this on the road and, frankly, sell it to every other community, the whole team, because that was wonderful. So I like it. Take motion. |
| 05:26:59.99 | Joan | I move we introduce, read by title only, and adopt an ordinance of the City Council of the City of Sausalito, amending Title 11 of the Sausalito Municipal Code to add a new chapter 11.40, Single Use Plastics. |
| 05:27:14.85 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. That passes five to zero. |
| 05:27:17.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:27:26.72 | Unknown | City manager reports. Is there any public comment on items 8B through 8E? Any public comment, Andy? You better not be going. Boy, keep going. Seeing none, we'll introduce the city manager for his report. |
| 05:27:45.31 | Adam Politzer | No additional items said for this evening or this morning. I can answer any questions from the council. |
| 05:27:54.31 | Unknown | Any questions for Adam? Mm-mm. I really think we're losing an opportunity to hear from Adam if we don't move him up in the agenda, or at least get through the agenda quicker. Appointments to boards, commissions, and committees. I have none. I did ask Serge. Serge, how many applications have we received for disaster prep additional? |
| 05:28:10.73 | Unknown | on so far. |
| 05:28:11.42 | Unknown | zero. |
| 05:28:12.13 | Joan | Do you want to do an ad hoc for the emergency, for the mudslide? Well, that's what I was just going to, |
| 05:28:18.66 | Unknown | Emergency for the mudslide. Well that's what I was just going to, working on my sentence was, We can't fill disaster and disaster is one of the places we're going to talk about it. So I was really hoping that we'd get like four or five people for disaster. So community, again, we're looking for another body in disaster because they do kind of take on that level. We also want to look at the regional discussion on slides as well. But yeah, so that was kind of where I was going with that. Got it. We need more people on disaster. We've increased that committee. |
| 05:28:46.23 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so do you not want to... Are you saying that you don't want to agendize or appoint a task force just to deal with disasters and mudslides? |
| 05:28:54.82 | Unknown | Would anybody like to... |
| 05:28:55.07 | Jill Hoffman | I'll fire myself. |
| 05:28:56.69 | Unknown | suggested we pointed a task force I think it should be |
| 05:28:58.69 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 05:28:58.72 | Joan | I think it should be part of disaster. We just increased the roster of disaster preparedness. I think for that purpose, so I think it should be part of that. |
| 05:29:07.81 | Jill Hoffman | part of that. So we could just So we can just, as a policy matter, task the Disaster Preparedness Committee with that. issue then when do we want to talk about that? |
| 05:29:16.98 | Joan | Because Lieutenant Frost is already the liaison to, yeah. |
| 05:29:18.43 | Jill Hoffman | Already the liaison to, yeah. |
| 05:29:20.39 | Joan | Thank you. |
| 05:29:20.40 | Jill Hoffman | I'm not opposed to that. I just want to, I think we have to give them a chance. |
| 05:29:22.97 | Joan | I would say agendize that for the next, may perhaps add that to a future agenda items list. |
| 05:29:27.10 | Unknown | That's fine. Okay, because I don't think this is going to go away for you. There's so much in that task force. It's so not going to go away. It's so broad, right? So you want to look at hillside, you want to look at all sorts, because there's a lot of things. |
| 05:29:30.56 | Joan | There's so much. Of course. |
| 05:29:32.97 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 05:29:38.38 | Jill Hoffman | but That's why you would have a task force and define the task for the task force and to get it done and come back and report back to the City Council. |
| 05:29:45.95 | Unknown | What do you want to task the task force with? What do you want the outcome to be? |
| 05:29:50.03 | Jill Hoffman | I want the outcome to have a comprehensive report on the geologic status of Sausalito and their hillsides taken into account. that have happened in the past 25 years, right? Here's mudslides 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. And then have a geologic study if it's feasible and if that's what the task force recommends with the people that we assigned to the task force based on their experience. in the community and their experience professionally, that we would access that expertise. And that they would return to us in three months and also work with Dave and work with the consultants that we're hiring right now with regard to this cleanup. But this cleanup is also related to the mudslide that happened 25 years ago in the same general area. So you can't say that we don't need a comprehensive look at what's going on with our hillsides and planning for the future. So if that's too specific for disaster preparedness, because they have many other things that they look at, then I think, I can think of three people off the top of my head that are not on disaster preparedness, that have geologic experience here in town, that have city planning experience here in town. They could very quickly stand it up, here's your task, come back to us in three months, and work with these guys that we're already hiring. I mean, that's what I think is what we talked about on February 18th. And what I think we need in Sausalito going forward, if we want to roll in. As part of that fire, okay, then let's just define that, or we'll leave fire with disaster preparedness. |
| 05:31:28.23 | Joan | Southern Wind Fire already interfaces with disaster preparedness. Southern Wind Fire already is interested in a similar type of project in terms of identifying fire risk, but also ensuring stability of hillsides by not raising those hillsides of vegetation. in an effort to reduce fuel, so I see a great interplay. Perhaps you go to disaster preparedness with the description that council member Hoffman has just made and have them enunciate a scope of work and then decide whether they want to undertake it or seek a different task force. |
| 05:32:03.13 | Unknown | Okay, and frankly, we're talking about very specific science. So we're going to hire consultants to tell us the stability of the hillsides. Right. Not player A, B, and C that we have assigned to a task force. |
| 05:32:12.65 | Jill Hoffman | But I don't want, we can't have a lumbering two years down the road, it's coming back to us. So I mean, this is a very specific question that we need to talk about now before next rain season. So that's four months, five months. |
| 05:32:30.25 | Unknown | OK. Any other? Does anybody support supporting the task force at this time? I don't. |
| 05:32:36.41 | Joan | I don't support right now formulating a separate task force. support bringing this as an agenda item to the disaster preparedness and getting their feedback on it. |
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| 05:32:47.00 | Joan | That's a deadline. |
| 05:32:47.02 | Jill Hoffman | What's the deadline for that? |
| 05:32:47.97 | Joan | you |
| 05:32:48.17 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 05:32:48.20 | Joan | at their next meeting. Bill Frost is the liaison. They meet the first Wednesday of the month. |
| 05:32:51.36 | Jill Hoffman | THE EASY. Okay. |
| 05:32:55.00 | Joan | And then have a report back to us on June 11th? And our liaison is our mayor. |
| 05:32:55.09 | Jill Hoffman | And then I... |
| 05:32:58.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay. That's fine. And then Joe, then the June 11th? |
| 05:33:03.64 | Unknown | I'm not going to commit to anything at this point. We're not doing it. We're going to bring it to the disaster prep. I'm not going to tell you exactly what you're going to say and how we're going to bring it back. bring it to disaster prep. I know you're trying to nail me down on something because you feel passionate about this. We're not doing it right now. |
| 05:33:17.90 | Jill Hoffman | I don't, I'm not trying to nail you down. |
| 05:33:19.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:33:19.88 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 05:33:20.28 | Jill Hoffman | I feel a certain urgency about this that I think is shared by other members of our community. Well, we can follow up. And our committee reports. |
| 05:33:29.68 | Unknown | Future agenda items, any other future agenda items? |
| 05:33:31.89 | Joan | I wanted to just update a couple. So the general plan monthly update for June 11 should be changed from consent to business item. the on July 16 We have the renewal of the emergency declaration. I want to make sure we also approve at that meeting the contractor to remediate the debris pile. We have to get them started. We want to, we have, yeah, I want to make sure we approve their contract at that meeting so they can get started before we go on break. |
| 05:33:57.73 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 05:34:03.56 | Joan | And then we have an item on future agendas, the explore the feasibility of a development agreement in connection with the cannabis non storefront that we referred. On January 22. So I'd like to hear an update. That's been four months. And we have an interim ordinance, I think, in place. So I'd like to hear an update on the status of that. |
| 05:34:29.37 | Ray Withy | We heard again from someone in the marineship with a business that is seeing a problem. I know Lily did some work on that and wrote us a memo. But I got a sense there's something there, the more that we need to understand. but I don't know what it is. up. |
| 05:34:54.39 | Susan | Yeah, I also think it would be really helpful the next time we get. I feel like there's an effort to bring this item up at every meeting now, and I do feel like it would be helpful to have a response on the record so that this isn't either there is something to it and we confirm that or there isn't. And that is the message to the public. Otherwise, it's just kind of hanging out there as if we're not enforcing our existing zoning. And, you know, I just think that it would be good to – I know Lily already did some work on that and maybe just to have a short response next time. |
| 05:35:36.17 | Unknown | Yeah, especially given where they are, that they have doctors in their close area. I'm not sure right there. There's doctors that they're competing for space. But 120 employees in all the space they're looking for, it's always been a tough call in the Marinship, right? |
| 05:35:49.86 | Joan | Absolutely. |
| 05:35:50.45 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:35:50.71 | Joan | Yeah. |
| 05:35:51.29 | Susan | And also there is, I know they mentioned residential, but there is legitimate grandfathered residential in the Marinship that's legal and has been there for since the Marinship plan was put in place and that's why. It's why it exists and it's why it was grandfathered. So those residents are there legitimately. So, you know, again, I just think it would be helpful. |
| 05:36:15.98 | Unknown | All right. |
| 05:36:20.57 | Unknown | Any other reports of significance? Seeing none, I adjourn the meeting. |
| 05:36:28.49 | Unknown | I know. |