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| 00:00:00.03 | Unknown | This year, more than 90 artists will participate. They invite you into their studios to learn more about their art and their creative process. That's the annual ICB Open Studios, December 6th, 7th, and 8th from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. at the ICB Building, 480 Gate 5 Road in Sausalito. |
| 00:00:15.64 | Unknown | P.M. |
| 00:00:19.47 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:00:20.65 | Unknown | For more information, check out icb-artists.com. Thank you. |
| 00:00:27.01 | Unknown | Open a meeting on Tuesday, I'll probably close it on Wednesday. |
| 00:00:32.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:32.63 | Ed Labar | Thank you. |
| 00:00:32.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:32.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:32.73 | Unknown | So... |
| 00:00:32.95 | Ed Labar | you |
| 00:00:33.71 | Unknown | All right, I'm going to call this meeting to order. Will you take a roll call? Sure. |
| 00:00:40.55 | Unknown | Councilmember Cox? |
| 00:00:41.59 | Unknown | Thank you. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:00:41.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:00:41.86 | Unknown | you |
| 00:00:42.44 | Unknown | Councilmember Braley. Here. Councilmember Withey? Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:00:48.09 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:00:48.36 | Unknown | Mayor Burns. |
| 00:00:49.48 | Unknown | Here. We have one item to be discussed in closed session. Conference with labor negotiators pursuant to section 54957.6, agency designated Charles Sakai, employee organizations, also the police association. Is there any public comment on our closed session item? Seeing no public comment on our closed session item, I will close public comment and we will adjourn to our closed session returning at 7 o'clock for our regularly scheduled meeting. |
| 00:01:22.13 | Michael Labate | This is Radio Sausalito. |
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| 00:01:37.97 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:02:46.20 | Unknown | We should talk. Bye. Thank you. to school. |
| 00:02:49.66 | Jim Henry | Yeah, not bad at school. Bye. |
| 00:02:56.83 | Jim Henry | Thank you. |
| 00:02:56.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:57.03 | Jim Henry | Thank you. |
| 00:02:57.24 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:02:57.29 | Jim Henry | Thank you. |
| 00:02:57.35 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:02:57.39 | Jim Henry | Thank you. |
| 00:03:04.73 | Jim Henry | Well, let's go. The next two weeks, I'm going. |
| 00:04:56.51 | Unknown | Look at your staff. If you have a sense with your mind You would laugh to beat the man. Look at you. Do you still believe the Roma? That romance is simply great. Thank you, so cute. On your chin. |
| 00:05:30.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
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| 00:06:06.54 | Unknown | If everybody could have a seat, if you can't find a seat, Take somebody else's. |
| 00:06:15.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:15.48 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:06:15.52 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:06:15.53 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:06:15.55 | Unknown | I'm going to do it. |
| 00:06:15.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:15.79 | Unknown | to be the best. |
| 00:06:15.84 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:06:16.39 | Unknown | It's wonderful. Bye. |
| 00:06:30.26 | Unknown | Looking for Joan. I'm looking for a Ray. If your name is Joan or Ray, please head up front. |
| 00:06:34.33 | Unknown | Please head up front. of you, sweetheart. To share your happiness, it's marvelous. How lovely love can be |
| 00:06:46.55 | Unknown | Right. |
| 00:06:46.72 | Unknown | THAT I KNOW. you |
| 00:06:49.49 | Unknown | No one can say they didn't hear about this one, apparently. |
| 00:06:50.90 | Unknown | Your way around. |
| 00:06:52.46 | Ray Withy | you |
| 00:06:52.52 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:52.62 | Ray Withy | comment |
| 00:06:53.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:06:54.16 | Unknown | I'm drifting hot on the ground. |
| 00:06:56.25 | Unknown | All right, if you would, hello, if you would like to sit down in comfort in a soft chair, we have opened up the conference room behind us here. You can go out and around. There is a TV in there. |
| 00:07:08.05 | Unknown | you What? |
| 00:07:12.72 | Unknown | So that's an option if you'd like to sit, wait for your item. It does appear, and I was going to make a statement about getting me green cards. It doesn't look like that's an issue because we have a lot of them up here. But I do want to remind everybody before we get this meeting started that it does help us a lot if you're going to speak to have a green card up to the desk up here. That way we can call them off in order of some kind. That's it, so. I'm going to call this meeting to order. It is November 12th, 7 o'clock. Thank you all for being here. This is what community is about. We love to see you, so thank you. We are going to open with a pledge of allegiance. And I will ask Nora Sawyer, saw you in here, didn't I? Nora, can you lead us in the pledge of allegiance, please? |
| 00:08:13.42 | Unknown | No, any way through it, good, yeah. I'm not. |
| 00:08:16.54 | Ray Withy | and allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. |
| 00:08:16.97 | Unknown | to the flag of the United States of America. |
| 00:08:20.59 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. and to the root. for which it stands. |
| 00:08:28.37 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 00:08:29.03 | Michael Labate | Yes. |
| 00:08:30.82 | Unknown | Thank you. I thought you were going to dance it, too, that way you can run up. |
| 00:08:39.11 | Unknown | So not to confuse you any further, but at some point we're going to have public comment on items not on the agenda. So if you have an item not on the agenda, also get a green card up to us. I'll be looking for those. Otherwise, we have, as you probably know, a couple items, 6A and B. They are both different, and 6C. I'm getting cards for all those. Again, if you plan on speaking, please do a card. Thank you. We did just come out of a closed session. We don't have any closed session announcements. And I will ask for an approval of agenda. So moved. |
| 00:09:11.46 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 00:09:12.26 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. We've got a five on the agenda. Special presentations, I want to call up Susan Patterson, our human resources manager. |
| 00:09:13.09 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Hi. |
| 00:09:20.08 | Unknown | Always an exciting time. |
| 00:09:35.25 | Susan Patterson | Well, good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members. I'm Susan Patterson, the Human Resources Manager with the city of Sausalito. And I am here tonight to thank you very much for yet another opportunity for the Southern Marine Management Academy. We completed our seventh year. And for the city of Sausalito, that's over 41 employees who have graduated, which is over 56% of our total employee. And with the Southern Marin agencies between San Anselmo and Sausalito, we've graduated over 137 employees. So each year, I just want to give you a little bit of history. Those of you who are not familiar with it, the Southern Marine Management Academy is an academy that we started seven years ago. for the public sector employees and we work with the Southern Marin agencies. And it's eight months out of the year and it's one full day, one day out of the year. And quite honestly, I wish it was a lot longer because I've been able to find all these new and exciting and motivating speakers that I would like to expand it to a full year. maybe next year. So, as I shared, each year we look for speakers, I look for speakers that participate, in the academy that are willing to work pro bono. and to share their expertise and I try to align them with, based on the participants of our academy, based on their professional experience, their current job classifications, and the number of years that they've been in the public sector. So for this year, just to give you a very brief overview, We had a speaker come in that mastered the workplace professionalism, strategic management, strategic planning, finance 101 with our own Yulia Carter, We did Public Speaking 101 with Mary Wagner and Lily Whalen. And then we've also brought in speakers of expertise that work with risk management, workers' compensation, and our legal firm, Liebert Cassidy, who does things like unconscious bias and generational diversity. So I would like to take a minute to introduce this year's Southern Marine Management Academy graduates, and they are I don't believe Honor Newson, who's one of our police officer. here this evening. Tula Biederman, Library Assistant 2. Amy Turner. our management analyst. Katie Faulkner, who of course last day was last Friday and she was our associate planner. And also Don Barber, who's an administrative aide in our police department. And Tula's going to come up and just say some brief words representing their academy class. But before, Dawn wasn't able to make the graduation. And so I have her certificate of appreciation right here. So I went to the This is the first time I've seen her. Tula, you want to come on up? |
| 00:12:44.74 | Tula Biederman | Good evening, council and Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to say getting to participate in the Southern Marin Management Academy was a wonderful opportunity for me. And I'm grateful to Susie, Keeley, Amy, Serge, Southern Marin Fire, and everybody else who helped pull it off because it was clearly not an easy operation, but I think very worthwhile. Each speaker helped me consider local government and our role as public servants from a new perspective. I'm also so grateful for the chance to meet and develop relationships with other public employees from other municipalities. SMMA has inspired me to continue seeking out and comparing notes with other Marin County public employees whenever possible. Thank you to everyone involved for this unique experience. |
| 00:13:31.01 | Susan Patterson | Thank you. |
| 00:13:31.11 | Unknown | picture. |
| 00:13:31.47 | Susan Patterson | you So thank you again for the opportunity. Are there any questions? |
| 00:13:36.14 | Unknown | Any questions? |
| 00:13:37.89 | Susan Patterson | Nope. All right, thank you. We just want to say- |
| 00:13:39.04 | Unknown | Thank you. And we just want to say- |
| 00:13:41.03 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:13:41.54 | Unknown | We do want to say something though. Does anybody want to? |
| 00:13:44.63 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I just want to thank Susan for again putting on such a great program. I think it's a really amazing thing that you do for the employees of the city and congratulations to all of you. |
| 00:13:55.29 | Susan Patterson | Thank you very much. Appreciate it. I thoroughly enjoy it. |
| 00:13:56.02 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:13:58.33 | Unknown | I'm glad this room was this big to see this for you, Susan, because this is something that we do once a year and it is fabulous and congratulations, all of you. |
| 00:14:01.40 | Susan Patterson | you can see. |
| 00:14:07.00 | Susan Patterson | Thank you. |
| 00:14:08.02 | Unknown | We're so happy you're here. |
| 00:14:08.84 | Unknown | Thank you. Ha. |
| 00:14:10.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:11.51 | Unknown | Everybody can go home now. |
| 00:14:12.89 | Unknown | Thank you. And that's it for our meeting tonight. |
| 00:14:19.25 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:14:21.80 | Unknown | People started getting up and leaving, didn't they? All right, next up we have a summary report on the Sausalito Art Festival by Louis Barones, who I think has a good seat. Louis got here early. Good. Louis is going to tell us a little summary on this year's festival and it was fun. |
| 00:14:41.18 | Mike Langford | Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Council. My name is Not Lewis. I'm Mike Langford. I'm the Parks and Recreation Director. And I just wanted to give you a little A little reasoning why the art festival is here today. The Sausalito Art Festival has been in town here since 1952. As we all know, it's pretty much a classic, a standard, something that we do. And there's quite a few volunteers, including the people up there on the dais that helped make it happen. Now on November 14th in 2007, the city and the Sausalito Art Festival Foundation entered into a lease agreement where the And part of that lease agreement says that the Sausalito Art Festival Foundation shall deliver a summary report on the immediately preceding art festival to the city council at a noticed public meeting, setting forth the then available figures for attendance, gate revenue, and number of artist entries. So again, this is just a brief summary report on the most recent art festival. So with that, I will give you Louis Briones. But before that, I want to say that it's been a great year working with both Louis and Wayne and Mike and the board. Things have gone extremely well this past year, and I can't say enough about the amount of communication that we've had and the positive experience that we had this year. So thank you. |
| 00:16:05.25 | Louis Briones | Well, thanks for having us here today, and thank you for all the support that a lot of you personally provide each year to help make the festival successful. Whenever I have an opportunity to speak to a group about the festival, I like to use this slide that actually comes straight off of our website because a lot of people don't realize that the Sausalito Art Festival Foundation is actually a nonprofit. We're a 501c3, and the mission of the foundation is to encourage, promote, and support the arts for the community. So a lot of people will ask us kind of jokingly and not jokingly, what do you guys do with all this money? The festival just creates these millions of dollars and what do you guys do with it each year? Well actually the proceeds from the annual festival support the Bay Area arts through grants, artist awards, scholarships, and really special projects. So over recent years, we've actually given away over $1.6 million. Some of the money has gone to our program, Artist Teaching Art, where we take artists and we actually embed them into Marin County schools. The Ice House Project is a recent example of where some of the money has gone. We donated the Phil Frank statue. We gave a monetary contribution to the project. We give the Chamber of Commerce $100,000 each year. We've given grants to the Discovery Museum, to the Women's Club, to tons and tons of organizations throughout the year. And I think if you look at a lot of the donor plaques throughout the city of Sausalito, you'll see that the Sausalito Art Festival Foundation is involved with them in one way or another. So that's who we are. And like Mike said, this meeting typically is to give a brief report in regards to the numbers. So the basic question we're trying to answer is what happened this year. And I have two or three slides that I prepared to answer that question. But I'd actually like to spend most of my time talking about some trends that we have seen in our rear view mirror for a while. And that are clearly in the driver's seat these days and that have impacted us this year and will definitely impact us as we move forward. So in regards to this year, like normal, some categories are up and some categories are down. So the artist applications were up this year by 17%, which was good. On the other hand, the ticket revenue was down by about 8%, which isn't necessarily good. And because the number of tickets we sell have a direct impact to the number of beverages we sell and everything else that we sell, the beverage income was down 11%. On the other hand, our other revenue, as we call it, was up 66%. The preview party revenue was up 8%. And when you take all of this revenue and you roll it all up, the 2019 revenue number was 5% lower than 2018. But in 2018, we had a special concert, which was called the Dave Cause concert that some of you might remember that was pretty awesome. The Dave Cause concert generated about $100,000. We didn't have the Dave Cause concert in 2019. We didn't have the Dave Cause concert in 2017. So when you take the Dave Cause concert out of 2018, you start seeing a different revenue trend. In fact, the revenue for 2017, 18, and 19 is essentially flat. There is about a 1.7% difference in the revenue in those three years. So from a trend point of view, our revenue at best is flat. At worst, it's on a slight downward glide path. So that's what happened this year in terms of the revenue. And each year we have a number of complaints and we have a number of compliments and this year was no different. The complaints that we heard pretty loudly no shade. And we're talking primarily in front of the main stage. No shade, no tables and chairs. We had a poor VIP experience on Saturday. Luckily, we fixed it by Saturday afternoon. Sunday and Monday was great. And there were no water stations. And we heard loud and clear that people expect water stations, and they're pretty sick of those plastic bottles that we sell. So I think you guys are doing a really good job of getting ahead of the plastic situation in Sausalito and you're definitely on trend. And so what we saw this year though is. A lot of the complaints that we heard this year are in direct relationship to our footprint. And so when we change our footprint around, it impacts people's expectations because a lot of people have been coming to the festival for many years and they expect certain things. They expect this big tent, they expect shade and tables and chairs in this environment where they can sit in front of a waterfront stage and kind of hang out. all day and so a lot of the complaints that we heard were not necessarily because of oversight, we just frankly could not afford to put in the shade and not afford to do some of the things that we can do when the footprint is different. But in any respect, the complaints were valid and relevant and we listened to them. Luckily, we had a lot of compliments as well. The preview party was a blast and hopefully some of you guys attended that and had a good time. But it was quite possibly the most fun thing the whole weekend. The Varda stage was fantastic and part of that was really because of of Sonia and the Sausalito Foundation coming to us early in the year and saying, hey, what can we do to kind of highlight this Varda mosaic? And we put our heads together and just thought that it was a no-brainer to make the Varda stage the cornerstone of that part of the festival, and it was just a huge success. The Tech Pavilion was great. The Sculpture Garden was great. The artist experience was really good. We were able to raise our net promoter score up by about 4%, so they liked the new grid and stuff. The branding was well received. And a number of the sponsors came to us immediately after the festival and stated that they wanted to return next year. So we had a number of good compliments and that was good. But in terms of the trends, I'd like to talk more about that for a couple of minutes. So when we think about the festival, We think of it as art, obviously, but music as well. And then a big component is also the food, the wine, and the beverages. And if you ask anybody about the Sausalito Art Festival, they tend to take these three things and kind of mash them together into one Labor Day experience. So from a competitive point of view, When you ask people, what are you going to do this Labor Day weekend? We're included in, we're going to go to Napa, we're going to go boating, we're going to go to Burning Man. We basically compete with anything fun over Labor Day weekend. It's not that we compete just with art festivals or just with music festivals. And to create this event, We put on a very large production and in terms of trends, the production expense of this festival is getting higher and higher every year. I mean, it takes us two weeks to create what is, in essence, this city. And if you ask the people that are on the field building this thing, they'll tell you that we compare from an infrastructure point of view to like an outside land. We actually have a similar infrastructure to many large regional events. We actually use more power than more regional events. We use more tents apparently than any regional event around the Bay Area. And we have a lot of help in terms of the footprint. As you guys know, we have a contract with the city to use Marin Ship Park. And we're lucky enough to have Chris Gallagher helping us on the southern end to utilize the assets from the bay model, and then on the northern end of the field, we have Carlo Berg and his family that give us free access to all of Marinship Plaza, the parking lot, the buildings, the grass behind. So we have a lot of help in creating this footprint. But unfortunately, we don't own any of the land, so we can't take capital each year and make these permanent improvements to it. We can't build permanent stages or put in permanent bathrooms or anything like that. So we have to recreate this festival essentially from scratch every year and what we've seen is When there's changes to the footprint, the costs multiply rapidly. It's a big event, and nothing costs hundreds of dollars or thousands of dollars. Everything is tens of thousands of dollars. And because we build this thing in two weeks, the money just starts to flow like crazy. So as an example, in 2018, we moved the main stage and the food booths and a lot of stuff from the southern side of the facility, or from the footprint to the northern side. And in the process of doing that, we spent an additional $80,000 in two weeks because we needed different types of floors and different types of ramps and this and that and the other. So our production expenses quickly went up $80,000. This year in 2019, it was actually a lot worse because at the end of 2018, we cut ties with our operations director who had been involved with us for 25 years. And over those 25 years, he had developed a tremendous amount of just operational efficiencies. And when he was gone, he took all those efficiencies with him. So in 2019, we had to essentially rebuild the operational aspects of the festival. And that cost us an additional $170,000. So in the last two years, the production cost, just the nuts and bolts of putting in the power and the porta-potties and the stages and all that stuff, has increased by a quarter of a million dollars. And that's a trend that we don't see ever changing. You know, we're never getting that old price back. As a matter of fact, we expect that the production expenses will just continue to rise because of insurance and, you know, everything else. So. Another trend that we see and definitely It's a trend of expense. It's the cost of music. Because as you guys probably know, the musicians don't make any money selling albums anymore. They make their money touring. So the music festival business is alive and well. There's music festivals popping up all over the Bay Area and the United States. And what it's doing, it's driving up the demand for these musicians. And consequently, the price of these musicians is rising. It's rising every year. So you take... it's driving up the demand for these musicians and consequently the price of these musicians is rising every year. So you take the Sausalito Art Festival and we think, and it's impossible to really quantify this, but we think about 10,000 people over the weekend come solely for the art. They might see a band, they're going to have a glass of wine or whatever, but they're definitely there for the art. But the next 10,000 and the 10,000 after that, they're really there for the music. And we know that because of surveys that we conduct. We know that through the social media chatter. We know that by the number of people who ask us about the music lineup. So it's really the music that's driving the high visitor counts. And the problem that we have is there's a general rule of thumb now that an act that will draw in 10,000 people will cost about $100,000. Well this year our total music budget was $175,000 but thousand didn't go to the musicians. It went to the booking agents and the back line and sound and the writers and just everything that comes along with these musicians. So in reality, we spent about $120,000 on the musicians. And our big headliner, if you will, of the weekend, that was the Blues Travelers at $40,000, so one band ate up a third of our budget and we had 19 bans. So people this year asked us, well why do you guys have so many tribute bands and why do you use so many regional bands and local bands that we can see at other places? And the simple answer is that we can no longer afford to have a headliner band every day. So music is definitely going up. So, We also see, and I think that ding means speed things up. We also see that from a competitive point of view, the expectations are going up. And that's a direct. |
| 00:29:47.31 | Unknown | Yeah, just do this. |
| 00:29:47.97 | Unknown | It's a big deal. |
| 00:29:54.96 | Louis Briones | Thank you. I'm not sure. fact that we live in a great area. We have world-class events around here, whether it's festivals or basketball games or whatever. And so even though people may not necessarily compare us directly to these other events, the expectations from these other events, um, push us to perform better every year and that comes at an expense. We're definitely underpriced, Sausalito Art Festival, 30 bucks, outside land, 155 bucks. The trend here is that we haven't been keeping track with the price of other events in the area. And I'm not saying we're going to run out and raise our price, but we know that we're not on par with other events. So the bottom line is that we see these macro trends. The expenses are going up. The revenue generators are going down. And the Sausalito Art Festival Foundation is now in the process of determining what are we going to do about this. You know, we know that we need to make some substantial changes to the overall business model. And we're spending the time now to fully understand what the festival could look like moving forward. And if I could just add one last thing quickly. You know, every year, a few people will ask us, is it worth it? The question is, is the Sausalito Art Festival worth it, given all the time and expanse and complexity and stuff? And I think that to really answer that question, we would have to ask everyone that the art festival touches. I mean, the art festival is really part of this giant community with a thousand volunteers and all of the merchants and restaurants and hotels and stuff, so to truly understand Is it worth it? We would need to ask everyone in this community who is involved in this organization and has some skin in the game, is it worth it to them? |
| 00:32:03.41 | Louis Briones | Thank you. |
| 00:32:03.43 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:32:03.68 | Louis Briones | Thank you. That's it. |
| 00:32:05.16 | Unknown | Great, thank you. Welcome. It's presentation, so we don't have any comments for you, but we appreciate you being here. And definitely again, that you had this amount of people here is an awesome opportunity. I'm glad you got this information to us. All right. And individually, definitely seek us out. I think we all have, if you haven't, I know you have. We'd all like to give you our input as well and look forward to future discussions. All right. Absolutely. |
| 00:32:07.26 | Unknown | You're welcome. |
| 00:32:15.90 | Louis Briones | Right. |
| 00:32:25.60 | Unknown | Thank you. Mr. Mayor, may I also just say this is the best report we've ever gotten on the festival. This was thorough, factual, data based. We've never gotten such thorough report and I'm very grateful for that. So thank you. |
| 00:32:43.15 | Unknown | The President. Very good point. |
| 00:32:47.23 | Ray Withy | Yeah, for someone who finds this festival, this is my favorite weekend of the year. And I sort of throw my lot in and help do trash and generally help out. I think the Sol Solito Art Festival for a majority of people is a really important part of our cultural essence. as a community and I appreciate, I agree with Councilmember Cox in terms of the transparency of the report and the understanding of what's going on. Louis, you've been very helpful here tonight. So thank you very, very much. And I'd just like to just continue to reiterate that, at least for me personally, this is an important time of the year. This is an important time for Sol Solito. And at least from this council member, you have my support for ongoing. |
| 00:33:51.71 | Louis Briones | Thank you. |
| 00:33:51.73 | Unknown | Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you, Lewis. Thank you. Got our support for sure. Thank you. All right, that's the end of our special presentations. Now I'm going to open it up to communications. Communications is the time for the city council to hear from residents on items that are not on the agenda. Emphasizing not on the agenda. And we do have a couple of agendas out here. They're out floating around over on the table. If you have something you'd like to speak to us that are not on agenda, I'm willing to take those cards right now. And they are piling up. I'm going to call first upon Jan Johnson. Now Jan, you have three completely separate items, correct? |
| 00:34:33.97 | Unknown | Just this one for now. |
| 00:34:37.85 | Jan Johnson | Bye. |
| 00:34:38.14 | Unknown | Ladies and gentlemen, Jan Johnson. |
| 00:34:39.86 | Jan Johnson | Oh. Hello. |
| 00:34:41.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:34:42.42 | Jan Johnson | Council members and everybody. My name is Jan Johnson, I live in Sausalito. I'm in the little old lady stage of life, so that means I get spooked. And Orinda I found very frightening. I've tried to follow what's happening with short-term rentals. I read the June report. |
| 00:35:03.64 | Unknown | Okay, so you're talking about item 5C? |
| 00:35:07.06 | Jan Johnson | I thought that that was on the consent calendar. |
| 00:35:08.26 | Unknown | or- Consent calendar, yes, so we haven't opened up consent calendar yet, doing that next. |
| 00:35:11.03 | Jan Johnson | We haven't already. I thought this is when we were supposed to talk. No, item's not on the agenda. Okay, sorry. |
| 00:35:15.43 | Unknown | No, item's not on the agenda. Can you? So I'm going to clarify it. |
| 00:35:24.17 | Unknown | Oh my God. |
| 00:35:30.85 | Unknown | No. |
| 00:35:35.19 | Unknown | All right, Alesha Leach. And then Sandra Bushmaker and then Jim Henry. |
| 00:35:47.29 | Alicia Leach | Greetings city council, greetings community. My name is Alicia Leach and I've been a member of this community for 13 years. I'm here to talk to the community today about education in the Sausalito Marin City School District. And specifically a call to action at the end of this. I believe that strong public schools build strong communities, and strong communities build strong public schools. 30 years ago, there were 1,000 enrolled students in the Sausalito Marin City School District. I don't know if you guys knew that. 20 years ago. in the year 2000, there were 215 enrolled students in the school district. So something went wrong. I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO IN 20... In 2001, Willow Creek entered the picture. In the early days with low enrollment numbers, there were only 37 students, Willow Creek's population was made up almost entirely of low income and minority students. As your enrollment grew over the next ten years, students voted with their feet, both in Marin City and in Sausalito, outpacing growth and diversity. of any school in Marin County. Today, more than 30 languages are spoken in the homes of Willow Creek families. So in no uncertain terms, Willow Creek solved for segregation in 80% of the school district. So fast forward to 2016, the Sausalito Marin School District is now up to 558 total enrolled students. That's a 260% increase. in students. But then fear and uncertainty and doubt rang through the community. It was rumored IN 2016. That the district would remove 25% of Willow Creek Academy's operating budget. Within two years, this has become a fact, $1,100,000 gone from Willow Creek's budget. So just this week in a court of law, legal representatives from Mary Jane Burke's office and legal representatives from the Sausalito Marin City School District. stated, and I am quoting this, and these words were stated and recorded, yes, the district has money. But it has no duty to Willow Creek students. This distrust of our district has caused the flight of 30 enrolled students this year, which has reduced our budget by yet another 270K. This should cause serious concern in our community. We have an urgent need for funds and the district will not provide. Willow Creek has a small foundation, a 5013C, called the Willow Creek Foundation. You may have seen the smart stickers around, this stands for supplies in the classroom, music, art, reading programs for ESL students and technology. These programs go away without the help of the community. I ask you to donate today at willowcreekacademy.org slash donate. Thank you. |
| 00:38:54.57 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. We have some more seats up front if you want to take those now. I'm going to remind everybody we have over 60 cards up here right now. So if you do the math, I think that's three hours of comment. So how many is that? 180 minutes. So if you could make them as quick as possible. |
| 00:39:07.38 | Sandra Bushmaker | 180 minutes. |
| 00:39:13.25 | Unknown | You do have a three-minute max. Thanks. |
| 00:39:17.65 | Sandra Bushmaker | Hi, I'm Sandra Bushmaker, resident of Sausalito. I'm here to talk, we're going to start easy tonight with the Mudslide Task Force. You recall that we had a laborious summer, which was very gratifying to the members of the task force. On September 24th, we gave our recommendations to the city council. Which were 12 in number. The city directed the staff to come back in 60 days, that is November 24th. So I hope we are on track for that. I would like to read for the benefit of the audience at home and for the audience here, the main recommendation. that the city directed to the staff. And this was from our landslide task force report dated September 24th, 2019. Number one, direct staff to return to city council with a request for proposal to obtain consulting service for hydrologic and geotechnical assessment of its vulnerable vulnerability to future mud slide disasters causing harm to the residents and property. Assess the collective. Contributing factors in an effort to identify early warning signs, proactive measures to identify a preventive program, to help mitigate potential slides in vulnerable areas. Using. Modern Methods and Technology. develop a plan for residents to report. change conditions via hotline their neighborhoods and develop an attempt to minimize the risks from mudslide, landslides, and water invasion. Develop. A high hazard mapping to denote areas of potential debris flow in addition to the FEMA recovery mapping. And we've been working from a 43-year-old map That was derived from an aerial photograph, and it's time that we get moving on this. This will also, I'm sure, come up in our discussion on later items on the Marinship. Because what happens up in the hills? It flows downhill, so it's a serious problem for all of Sausalito. And we'd really encourage the council to come back with us. Um, and staff in the 60 days. Which is like next week. Thank you. |
| 00:41:41.02 | Unknown | Jim Henry. Then Russ Irwin. Then Faymark, and I didn't put that in order. |
| 00:41:48.45 | Jim Henry | in order. |
| 00:41:50.27 | Unknown | Yeah, you're up. What happened? Oh. |
| 00:42:01.29 | Jim Henry | Council members, Mayor Burns, my name is Jim Henry and I'm here tonight to also speak on behalf of the 380 Marin City and Sausalito public school students at Willow Creek Academy. Without repeating some of the comments that Alicia had made a minute ago, I'll add that we now have 155 Marin City students and 159 Sausalito students attending Willow Creek. Majority of low income students and the majority of English learner students in our district attend Willow Creek. And almost 80% of public school students attend that school. I'm here today to let you know that 20 years of growth and success in desegregation and education is at critical risk. Why? Because the point that Alicia made, that the district's position has been firm for the last three years and now expressed in court that it has no legal duties to public school students at Willow Creek Academy. The fact is the defunding of the school has resulted in not a million one, but it's actually a million three dollars of decreased funding and a negative impact on our budget. That's hitting us this year where our school budgeted a $700,000 deficit with the loss of that money, which is a fact. With the loss of 30 students, that deficit swells significantly. And yet, there is no path with the district, as they have expressed for three years, for engaging in a serious, committed discussion to resolve that issue. Do you agree they have no duty? We don't. We don't think the judge will either, and that's why we're fighting the issue in courts as our last remedy to get equity. If you agree that the district has a duty to all students in South Sudom or in city, I ask you to do two things. One, come to the district meeting this Thursday, 6 o'clock at Bayside MLK. Ask your elected officials why they believe they don't have a duty to serve almost 80% of the Marin City and South Saleto Public School students and ask them to stop using your tax dollars. |
| 00:42:03.69 | Mike Langford | I'm not. |
| 00:42:03.80 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:44:19.19 | Jim Henry | to fight in court against our community school students. Number two, support Willow Creek. As Alicia said, we're working with the district, actually didn't say this, but we are working with the district in a unification effort to solve the segregation problem at Bayside MLK. But we need to sustain Willow Creek's success in the meantime. The district is holding back funds, we're talking to donors of all types to support our fundraising, but is almost $3,000 per student, and we need to raise a million dollars this year to cover our deficit. So as your community's largest school, we appreciate your concern and involvement. Thank you. Thank you, Jim. you Thank you. |
| 00:45:00.39 | Unknown | Russ Irwin. |
| 00:45:02.90 | Russ Irwin | So Mr. Mayor, I'm confused about the agenda because my understanding was The consent items were not up for discussion. If they are up for discussion, I can defer until later. |
| 00:45:13.33 | Unknown | If your item is regarding an item on the consent calendar, we'll have public comment on that later. |
| 00:45:17.95 | Russ Irwin | So there will be an opportunity for content. |
| 00:45:19.81 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:45:19.96 | Russ Irwin | Would you relabel my conclusion? |
| 00:45:21.78 | Unknown | Yes, and same with Fay and Carolyn, okay, thank you. Sonia Hanson. |
| 00:45:37.38 | Sonia Hanson | Good evening, council members, residents. public. I'm having a little deja vu with the ferry landing meetings that were held here. You have council members, people standing in the hallway. Crushed in the room, maybe over in that conference room, I don't know, but you can't participate in that conference room. There are several things on this agenda, and most importantly, of course, the general plan. Thank you. which is going to continue to come up. I am requesting that you appropriately accommodate all of us so we can participate in that. That can't happen here tonight, not with the number of people and how people are spread around. I don't know whether you go back to IDST hall. the Portuguese Hall or if you want to talk with Chris, who I think is here somewhere. about the Bay Model, but you need a bigger space. We all need a bigger space. Thank you. |
| 00:46:37.21 | Unknown | Thank you. I am for one glad that our public- |
| 00:46:45.45 | Unknown | I'm glad that our public outreach campaign is working, so thank you all for paying attention and being here tonight. That's always a big concern of ours. Chris Durbin. |
| 00:46:57.82 | Unknown | Then Karen Colton. And Jeff Jacobs. |
| 00:47:01.41 | Chris Durbin | Hi, good evening council members and everybody. My name is Chris Durbin, I'm a Sausalito resident. And I too, I'm very concerned and involved with our school district. As we know, on August 9th, the Attorney General, our State Attorney General, ended a two plus year investigation of our school district. and essentially, came out saying that. The students at Bayside MLK were significantly harmed by the past school board. And... This may be. news, and there was a settlement, there was a lengthy settlement process. And this news went viral in our country, this, and It was bad news about us, about our school district. So now, We, Great work is being done to reverse that, to address that. We have an awesome new superintendent in the district. and Both school boards, the Willow Creek Board and the District Board, signed resolutions earlier this summer saying that they wanted to to sincerely look into unifying the two schools. Thank you. We, which makes great sense. We only have about 500 kids and we have $9 million. We should. AND, we, We have, I just want to speak to, we have such a great opportunity before us to create an absolutely world-class school where all 500 of our diverse students each and every one of them thrive and excel. We're in Marin County. we can do this and we can make national news again for how well we solve this and maybe create a prototype that can go far and wide from here. So, I am sorry that Willow Creek is losing students. I think that is a problem for sure. I know the superintendent has offered to help with fundraising. He's also asked them to drop the lawsuits, so much money is going into these lawsuits. that could be going into dealing with these funding shortfalls AND I just hope we keep our energy going to create this incredible school. And I hope you'll lend, I hope everyone will get involved. Because there is a process happening and everyone is invited to be involved. And it's really quite exciting and wonderful. Thank you very much. |
| 00:49:41.96 | Ed Labar | Thank you. |
| 00:49:42.40 | Kieron Kelligan | Thank you. |
| 00:49:44.16 | Chris Durbin | Thank you. |
| 00:49:44.17 | Kieron Kelligan | Kieran. |
| 00:49:48.70 | Kieron Kelligan | Hi there. Good evening, council members, public, and the millions and millions of people that are probably watching online. |
| 00:49:54.60 | Unknown | Thank you. Exactly. |
| 00:49:54.75 | Kieron Kelligan | My name is Kieron Kelligan. I'm a Saucyuta resident, a parent, a bike commuter, and just generally excited about having Sausalito become a place that is safe and pleasant for bikes and pedestrians as we try and become less reliant on cars. I was very pleased to hear the Vice Mayor's request for an agenda item last time around some of the safety concerns that have been brought up. I know it didn't come tonight, but I'm urging you to cover that topic sooner rather than later. There's been a lot of great activity as I'm learning about this between Public Works, The Pedestrian Bicycle Advisory Committee, Safe Routes to School, Marin County. rather than later, there's been a lot of great activity as I'm learning about this between public works. The Pedestrian Bicycle Advisory Committee, Safe Routes to School, Marin County Bicycle Coalition, etc. But I'm concerned about a log jam between planning. and action. So when you cover this topic, I'd like to see you cover a few things. There are three hot spots in the Willow Creek Academy MLK Park area. So I get another flavor of Willow Creek support tonight. One is the Coloma Street crosswalk. My understanding, it is funded. It is approved. When are we going to see paint? The second is the Nevada repaving. My understanding is that it is approved, it is funded, when will we see paint? There is a safety issue at the Nevada and Bridgeway intersection, creating multiple closed calls for students getting hit by cars. When is there going to be an assessment to see how we can make that safer for our students? The vice mayor also brought up red zones in the Bridgeway Commercial District. As a bike commuter, I can tell you that is quite dangerous. Twice a day, having to dodge haphazardly parked loading vehicles in the red zones. Can we look at new loading zones? Can we have some enforcement there when there are safety issues? These are not big major capital projects, they're pretty modest. They probably shouldn't even come up to the city council, but here I am. Please cover this soon and much support to the other people speaking tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Jeff. |
| 00:51:58.45 | Jeff Jacobs | Hello Mayor, hello City Council and City Workers. Um. When my Fingerprint check passes, I will be a tutor over at Bayside, so I want to talk about that for a second. |
| 00:52:18.82 | Jeff Jacobs | The issue Between Bayside and Willow Creek. is simple. That's segregation. I'm from Detroit, Michigan. We're very sensitive to that. And it should not have come to a lawsuit. The issue with bicycles. and cars. Is the same thing? It's segregation. and degradation of people that are not addicted to fossil fuels. The issue with Marin. And it's... Mariner population. is also segregation. I did not want to go to court over this. I've spoken on it for many years. And I'm glad there's a big audience from a marine ship. I don't know if MarinShip knows this. happy to tell them that Public access. Four mariners, four specifically. THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE OFFSHORE Is mandated. all along Marin ships, For every facility. for every government facility, for every retail facility, for every marina, For every restaurant. I did not want to go to court over this. But now, I'm. okay with it. The people who live offshore, are mainly from this county. This county cannot deal with its population of children. It's... Kids, it's people who cannot afford full freight for the rent. Nor it's homeless. nor those who are suffering problems of drug addiction. or alcohol addiction. All of the facilities are in Marin City, that's segregation. The community center is in Marin City. Whenever somebody wants, Any dry food giveaway, that is in Marin City. The churches are in Marin City. When Abraham came, Away from Ur? Deciding he wasn't going to worship any idols anymore, he brought everybody into his tent. I want everybody in Sausalito's tent too. Thank you. |
| 00:55:00.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:00.19 | Jeff Jacobs | Thank you. |
| 00:55:00.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:00.26 | Jeff Jacobs | THANK YOU. |
| 00:55:00.28 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:00.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:00.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:00.51 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:01.76 | Unknown | Right, any other cards on items not on the agenda? Items not on the agenda, is that one for items on the agenda? Seeing no more for not on the agenda, we're going to get back to our agenda and close public comments on communications. Open up action minutes of the previous meeting. We have three meetings on our- Approvalist. |
| 00:55:24.78 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, if I might, in the first meeting, the minutes of October 8th, there was a typo in Julie Meyers name on page four. Those are the only changes I saw. |
| 00:55:36.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:55:37.28 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | With that correction, I'll move the minutes. Items 3A, 3B, and 3C. |
| 00:55:42.63 | Unknown | Second. First and second. All in favor? Aye. That's five zero. |
| 00:55:46.12 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Bye. |
| 00:55:46.24 | Unknown | All right. |
| 00:55:46.61 | Steven Woodside | Thank you. |
| 00:55:48.20 | Unknown | on. Minutes. Council member committee reports, this is the time where we normally go through and talk about the committees we've attended the last couple weeks. I'm going to push that to the end of the meeting. If you'd like to be here at 3 a.m., we'll happily talk for the next hour or so from 3 to 4 a.m. But for now, we're going to push that off to the end of the meeting. So we are going to go to consent calendar. And on the consent calendar, we have items 5A through 5I. I'm first going to ask the council if there's any recusals for any of these items. No. Anybody live within 500 feet of the internet? |
| 00:56:23.16 | Unknown | No. |
| 00:56:26.34 | Unknown | We're all good. So no recusals, anybody want to pull before we hear public comment? Yeah. We're going to hear public comment now on consent items. 5A through 5I, given our schedule tonight, if we do decide to pull an item, it more than likely will not be heard tonight. We will set it for a separate date. We have- Quite a few here. |
| 00:56:53.32 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, if I might. Yes. I did receive much correspondence on our short term rental update. |
| 00:56:53.89 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 00:56:58.74 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:56:58.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:56:59.01 | Jan Johnson | Thank you. |
| 00:56:59.02 | Unknown | But I think it's important to receive the update tonight, but I would like to ask that we schedule a business item for the hearing on this matter in January. |
| 00:57:10.87 | Unknown | I think that's a very logical response, because January's perfect. And that's kind of what we were thinking too, because that would be the year from the point that we made the, this is just a numbers update tonight, but we'll happily hear public comment on the number update. So I have. Jan, I already called you, so I'll start with you again, Jan Johnson. And then Russ, Fay, Carolyn. |
| 00:57:45.16 | Jan Johnson | My apologies for last time. I read the June report, I can't find the next quarterly report. I'm wondering where it is. It's been five months since June. So the public has no information as to how host compliance is doing. I'd like to know how many complaints have been, how many police complaints have been, have the numbers gone up, have the numbers gone down. I know I live in an area where I think there's lots of Illegal short term rentals, I see all kinds of persons unknown. pulling little Day bags up and down the hills. I haven't gone out and looked after them to find the addresses, but it's pretty anonymous out there. Orenda was really terrifying. Sausalito houses don't have the distance between them that they do in Orinda and Bullitt's travel a long distance and they go through walls. So I think public safety is at risk as well as our long term housing stock. So where's the information that we were promised? And I'm glad you're going to have this in January. Thank you. |
| 00:58:59.16 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:59:03.70 | Russ Irwin | Regarding the report, First of all, The Council made a commitment to deliver a much more comprehensive report. I appreciate that you're all volunteers. you're not the ones writing this report, staff is not volunteers. and you authorized $137,000, to hire someone who presumably could prepare the report that you committed to deliver. Instead, If you don't deliver the report, And you bury it in the consent calendar. You all do remember what you committed to deliver, right? I don't want to waste my time or your time or these people's time. This report is not and should not be delayed until January. It was due quarterly. You haven't done it. You should do it and you don't have to do it. Adam has to do it. And you should expect Adam to do it. Second, of the numbers that are here, Staff says that there's 198,000 in TOT due. So if you do the math, That's a $1.4 million business. in the first nine months of the year. Staff says the houses declined from 50 to 12. Let's say the average was 40. That's $35,000 per landlord. This is real business, folks. This is not somebody renting out a bedroom over a weekend so they can go on vacation. $35,000 in the first nine months of this year. 4,700 nights of illegal rentals in the first nine months. And you buried the report. You can do better. Thank you. |
| 01:00:58.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:01:03.51 | Unknown | I think he's gone, but we did promise January 8th that we would come back to the community after a year of of work and so that year is not up yet, but thank you. |
| 01:01:15.39 | Unknown | May I just switch spots with Carolyn? Sure. She can go ahead. |
| 01:01:21.08 | Unknown | Are you set with this? |
| 01:01:23.72 | Unknown | you |
| 01:01:23.89 | Unknown | Did we have something happening here, Serge? |
| 01:01:23.98 | Unknown | Thank you. THE CITY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO Good evening, I'm Carolyn McKenzie, a resident of Sausalito. And I know that we have all seen and read the news of the horrific murders at a short-term rental in Orinda. We have another example of a similar incident that did not make national news, but is just as horrific. I'm asking you to watch this to reinforce that short-term rentals do not belong in Sausalito. |
| 01:01:54.08 | Unknown | Sir. |
| 01:02:14.81 | Unknown | here on North Boulevard and I in the |
| 01:02:16.95 | Unknown | Now neighbors are saying that they've been concerned about what's going on in that house for quite some time. Fox 40, Lonnie Wong, live there with those details. Funny. |
| 01:02:24.97 | Unknown | Thank you. That's right, Eric. We're on Pasadena Avenue, and this is where a 20-year-old man was shot and killed after a party at this rental house that was used as an Airbnb rental house. You might recall that in two other instances, one in Elk Grove and one in Citrus Heights, there were large parties held at Airbnb homes, and each resulted in a shooting. In the Elk Grove case, two people were shot in Citrus Heights. The man was killed, and this time around, on early Sunday morning, the man was killed here under the same circumstances. |
| 01:02:44.51 | Unknown | WE CAN READ IT. |
| 01:02:57.48 | Unknown | This section of Pasadena Avenue near Auburn Boulevard and Interstate 80 is quiet most of the time. The neighbors say this was the scene Saturday night, a traffic jam caught by partygoers descending on an Airbnb rental. |
| 01:03:09.63 | Unknown | This type of thing should not happen in any neighborhood. I feel sorry for anybody that has an Airbnb that this type of thing happens. Roger's security cameras caught yuck. |
| 01:03:16.97 | Unknown | people by the hundreds making their way down the street after parking cars on lawns and blocking driveway. |
| 01:03:22.42 | Unknown | You could hear the music, the screaming, the yelling, the burnouts, the cars that went way too fast up and down the street with this many people. |
| 01:03:29.80 | Unknown | Neighbors say they've suffered every weekend since the house was listed on Airbnb a month ago. |
| 01:03:35.11 | Unknown | There was underage drinking, there was drug use, you name it, it was there. |
| 01:03:39.97 | Unknown | more of over the years. The sheriff's office says out of control parties fueled by social media notices is a problem when trying to identify witnesses to a crime. Detectives suspect that two groups of young men got into an altercation that ended up on the street. This is where the victim lay mortally wounded. Attempts at CPR were unsuccessful. Out of control house parties are hard cases for detectives to work. People that maybe are reluctant to come forward at first. Investigators want to assure witnesses that they want to focus on solving the murder and are unconcerned about underage drinking or drug use at the party. Neighbors say the tragic shooting was predictable as the parties escalated. It's getting worse and worse and worse. |
| 01:04:18.84 | Unknown | Everybody thought coming. |
| 01:04:19.97 | Unknown | Security cameras caught the family of the victim grieving as the sun rose, as well as parents lining up outside the shooting scene, hoping to get word from their wayward parents. |
| 01:04:28.20 | Unknown | Their kids were missing, and they're trying to figure out where the kids were. Their phones pinged this address last. |
| 01:04:34.06 | Unknown | Now members of the neighborhood watch are meeting with code enforcement and are looking into a civil suit against the owner of the home where the parties are being held. or calls to the homeowner of this house when unreturned. In the meantime, this house has been taken off Airbnb's website. Reporting live here in Sacramento, Lonnie Wong, Fox 40 News. |
| 01:04:56.03 | Lauren DeRemer | Lonnie, thank you. Thanks, Lonnie. The search continues for a Mississippi woman... |
| 01:04:56.89 | Unknown | Thanks Lonnie. |
| 01:04:57.40 | Unknown | you |
| 01:05:01.23 | Unknown | Is that good? |
| 01:05:04.65 | Unknown | All right, Faye, Mark. |
| 01:05:05.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:05:06.07 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:05:06.24 | Unknown | Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council, staff. Because I'm concerned about enforcement, that enforcement to shut down short term rentals is not good enough in Sausalito, I'm going to read excerpts from a letter written by a friend who personally witnessed the events you just watched where enforcement was not good enough. I will submit this letter as late mail after the meeting tonight. And this letter comes from Betsy Slavensky, who lives on Pasadena Avenue in Sacramento. To the City Council of Sausalito regarding short term rental property issue. I would like to share my experience with short term property rentals in recent months. I live in a quiet family oriented neighborhood in the suburb of Sacramento. With a park down the street where teams play soccer and families gather. There are horse properties here, elderly homeowners and young families. We have owned our home for 20 years and it is the home my husband grew up in and other family members lived. on the property as well. This year a 95 year old neighbor who owned her home across the way from us passed on. Her home was sold by her kids and turned into a short term rental and a long term nightmare. A group of teens and young adults rented it in September for Labor Day weekend. It was an obnoxious party with loud music, screaming teens, and over 100 cars parked everywhere. My neighbor and I texted one another. and called the sheriff to come and get it under control. One month later on October 26th, the same group had a Halloween party. Over 200 cars arrived, parked on our driveways, lawns, streets, blocking entry and exit to homes and the neighborhood. Big dudes were walking down the street with baseball bats. The neighbor down the street and I both called the cops at 9.45 PM, 10.47 PM, and 1.27 AM. Six to eight teens were in my elderly relatives' driveway across the street from my house partying and having sex in their car. I walked over, opened the door, and told them to get off the private property immediately. They asked what I was going to do, call the cops? I said no, I'm going to walk down the street and get them and that's what I did. I was very angry and scared. Why should we have to feel threatened in our own homes and neighborhood? The cops came out three times. I talked with them and said, can't you shut this down? That we're trying our best, ma'am, it's a busy night. I told them that is not good enough. Something bad is going to happen because these guys are walking around with baseball bats, they're doing drugs, drinking and breaking laws. At 2.45 AM, we heard three pops. A young man was shot. The suspect ran. I videotaped the fireman doing CPR on the young man through my bedroom window. He did not survive. Now it was a murder scene. I texted as much to the owner of the short term rental. All night and for the whole next day, my yard and the neighbors was a caution crime scene taped off. This breaks my heart for the boy, for his family and friends, for our neighborhood, for our society. This is not okay. Thank you. |
| 01:08:10.51 | Unknown | Thank you. Sandra Bushmaker. |
| 01:08:16.51 | Unknown | Now Sandra, you have two. |
| 01:08:16.81 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:08:17.03 | Sandra Bushmaker | We have two. |
| 01:08:18.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:08:19.02 | Sandra Bushmaker | Ms. Smith. you Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:08:21.75 | Unknown | Well, you have two for this subject. |
| 01:08:23.96 | Sandra Bushmaker | States. I just wanted to make sure |
| 01:08:26.01 | Unknown | I got you. |
| 01:08:26.07 | Sandra Bushmaker | Yeah. Ha ha. I'm Sandra Bushmaker, resident of Sausalito. Everybody? Uh... I'd like to echo the comments that have already been made. I think with the Orinda incident, the Sacramento incident, and other injury incidents with short term rentals, party houses, etc. in our neighborhoods, we are simply too small, too understaffed to manage this. I'm very disappointed in the report that came from staff. Didn't give us the numbers, how much TOT tax has been collected, how many fines have been collected. How many people do we know for sure, because I think in examining VRBO, Airbnb ads, which say 30 day wrinkles, 30 day wrinkles, 30 day rentals, we have what I call and have named the Wink and Rent. In other words, yes, I say 30 days on here, but come on for a weekend. And we'll work something out. And I'm very disappointed in that trend in Sausalito. I do believe we have a lot of underground short term rentals in Sausalito. We've got to figure a way to get a handle on that. It's time to ban short term rentals in Sausalito. I think we've put up with enough. We've made our points known to the council through |
| 01:09:55.49 | Unknown | It doesn't matter. |
| 01:09:55.75 | Sandra Bushmaker | The signature of the bill. |
| 01:09:59.39 | Unknown | You know we have a band, right? Huh? We have a band. |
| 01:09:59.44 | Sandra Bushmaker | I know we have a big We have a band. We have a band. I know we have a 30 day limit, but it's not being enforced, and that's the issue. And we've got these aberrations of ways to advertise that attract people for a quick getaway, for a great weekend, for an office retreat, whatever it might be. We know they're coming in under the. the wink and rent philosophy. So let's get it together here in Sausalito and let's get rid of this problem. Let's get our neighborhoods back to what they need to be. We've donated enough of the city of Sausalito to tourists. We don't need to start donating our neighborhoods to tourists as well. Thank you. |
| 01:10:42.59 | Unknown | Cassandra, you have 52 seconds if you want to do 5H, because otherwise you're done. |
| 01:10:45.68 | Sandra Bushmaker | . |
| 01:10:45.85 | Unknown | age. to RDS. |
| 01:10:50.24 | Sandra Bushmaker | Yes. you I caught this quite late this afternoon, so I don't have prepared statement. 5H for the members of the public that are watching this and for the audience is a contract amendment with the Regional Government Services, RGS for Economic Development and Advisor Services. And reading this report. I'll say that RGS, and I'm quoting here, consults guidance in all functional areas of economic development, including the portion related to the city's general plan update. Developing multi-component economic development programs with long term and short term initiatives and objectives. Basically this sounds like the work of GPAC. And I realize that there are some probably additional things which I would have been unable to |
| 01:11:45.62 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:11:46.78 | Sandra Bushmaker | I THINK WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO Yeah, I'm on a second topic. |
| 01:11:50.26 | Unknown | It's for Brian Mora. |
| 01:11:53.16 | Sandra Bushmaker | Pardon me? |
| 01:11:53.84 | Unknown | It's for Brian Mora, is that where you're- Yes. Okay. |
| 01:11:56.03 | Sandra Bushmaker | Yes. Okay. The staff. Yes, I think there are a lot of questions about this that the public needs to understand and we're not getting it. |
| 01:11:57.15 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:11:57.40 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:11:57.50 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 01:12:01.03 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:12:03.95 | Sandra Bushmaker | And the reports are inadequate and it seems to be driven by the Business Advisory Committee and the Hospitality Committee. And I think we need more public input on this before Uh, We're allocating an additional $25,000 to continue the assisting staff and services. |
| 01:12:20.94 | Unknown | Okay, yeah, we got the report. Staff and services. |
| 01:12:23.81 | Sandra Bushmaker | Anybody else? |
| 01:12:23.96 | Unknown | Anybody else? No, you're good. Thank you. Thanks for your help, Sandra. |
| 01:12:25.44 | Sandra Bushmaker | I did. Thank you, Helps. I'll be back. I'll be back. |
| 01:12:28.43 | Unknown | I'll be back. I know. Catch on every one of these. Anybody else? Anybody else on consent? Calendar item C9, bring it back up here for motion. |
| 01:12:43.01 | Unknown | Before we make the motion, I do want to just briefly comment that I agree with the comments about the short term rental. The inadequacy of the report, and part of that is because we have staff on leave, but that's not an adequate excuse. I think we have to do a better job. So that's why I'm asking for this to be a business item, not a consent item in our January agenda. |
| 01:13:06.47 | Unknown | I'd like to support that. I think having the opportunity to question also the report and have more input. This is going to be an ongoing matter, so I look forward to January. |
| 01:13:17.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:20.74 | Unknown | I think we all completely agree with that. Thank you. Good. We're going to move that to a future agenda item. |
| 01:13:27.88 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | You're gonna make a motion? |
| 01:13:29.44 | Unknown | I move approval of the consent calendar. |
| 01:13:32.02 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Second. |
| 01:13:32.64 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. |
| 01:13:33.62 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Bye. |
| 01:13:34.89 | Unknown | Consent passes five to zero. We are up to our business items and we have. Two doozies. So we're going to start off with item 6A. And 6A is to discuss and provide recommendation for a marine ship vision to be included in the general plan update. I'm going to call up Bill Meeker. |
| 01:13:56.94 | Unknown | There could not be this many people in the room tonight. |
| 01:13:59.05 | Unknown | They're in the next room. |
| 01:13:59.40 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay, that's right. Um. So I have, and I see that people have separated, so thank you that we do have two items here, 6A and 6B. I have. But first we're going to hear a presentation from Bill. Bill, take it away. |
| 01:14:15.03 | Unknown | I'm just going to introduce for item 6A, which is the marineship item. Tom Ford will be doing that presentation. And I just wanted to note for the public and for the council tonight, we have two separate and distinct items on the agenda, as the council knows. The first item deals with the marineship vision. |
| 01:14:15.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:14:32.45 | Unknown | The second item deals with the notice of preparation for the EIR for the general plan update. It would be appreciated if the comments could be segregated in such a way so people are commenting on 6A that they not veer into the 6B lane, just to keep it clear for our records too. And I also wish to note that we're at the very early stages of the preparation of the general plan. There are going to be multiple opportunities in the future for the public to have involvement in viewing the draft general plan as the elements come out. This is just very early stage. There are many opportunities for more community input that will be occurring when the EIR is released, when the draft plan is released. And there will be a lot of time for discussion back and forth with the community at that time. And the council will have the ability to make any changes at that time. The point I'm trying to make is that whatever is discussed here tonight is not necessarily the final decision. It's a starting point for the process as we move forward. With that, I'd like to turn it over to Tom Ford from M Group who will do the presentation on Marinship. |
| 01:15:35.17 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:15:35.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:35.20 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:15:35.36 | Unknown | Bill. |
| 01:15:35.57 | Tom Ford | Thank you. I'm going to ask you to go ahead and see you. So I want to just give an overview of the vision. We were here on September 24th and we didn't meet you, but hopefully you've had a chance to read the memo. And just show you how we got to where we are today, tonight. And also I want to let you know that the memo that we wrote last Wednesday or Thursday, subsequently we spoke to staff. And we've added a little bit more material here to help you grapple with those six points that we asked you to discuss and debate. And then we also have a little bit of a schedule showing you where we're going from here. to get to adoption and where some of these points of public interaction might be that Bill was talking about. So what I want to do is start out with how the vision statement started and it basically came out of the September 7th workshop, the community workshop. over at the Spinnaker. And then we had one meeting with the GPAC and we came here. And so then we got some suggestions and some comments from you folks. Molded that into a statement that we could take back to the GPAC and I just want to go through that iterative process with you a little bit. All of those pieces of vision statement were in the memo. but we have a couple of them here in the presentation. So what we want to do is be what a vision statement should be, try to collect a community collective opinion or vision for what's going to happen. And the reason we want to do this is we're trying to set the context for the administrative draft that we're starting to write now, but we'll actually get into the real meat of writing it in December and January. And then also that will provide the direction for policies for the general plan for the next 20 years. So, Following the. the workshop. We took a lot of the data, which many of you have seen, and went to the GPAC and discussed it. And then came here, and on the 24th, I have two slides here, they wouldn't all fit on one. But you folks as a body put forth a lot of really good ideas that we've melded into the statement and took back to the GPAC for their October 1st meeting. So a lot of different ideas, some of which were echoing what we heard from the community, but a few of them were new ideas and things that were concerns of yours. So when we went to the October 1st meeting, we had a vision statement. And we asked the GPAC to respond as a body, and so there was a pretty lengthy discussion. And they did a series of things for the bullet points right here. They requested that we remove a statement about economic sustainability, that we not plan on housing. There had been quite a vocal request from a number of community members at the September 7th workshop for senior housing at some location in the marineship. But we took that out of the vision statement at the behest of the GPAC. There's an interest in environmental quality and innovation specifically around sea level rise and some of the issues that low lying waterfront communities are going to have to be dealing with now and into the future. And then there were just a few other sporadic vision edits. On the 15th, we took that statement back to them and they continued to have a few different points of disagreement. A couple of people felt like the vision statement was a little bit too limited in its scope, that it wasn't just big and broad enough. There was again discussion about the viability of having an economic sustainability statement or not, and in the end, it's not in there right now. And then there was a lot of talk again about senior housing and GPAC meetings have been attended by speakers as well who have put forth the idea of some sort of housing in there. So this is the way we were working with the vision statement for the GPAC. It looks like a paragraph, but we actually broke it into discrete pieces. It could go back into a paragraph, as you'll see in the next slide. But we kept it as these discrete pieces which then allowed the GPAC to have a discussion about each of these individual issues. And so coming off the last GPAC meeting, we took their advice, took their recommendations, and actually took the numbers away and built what might be a paragraph of what a vision statement can be. And this is what we would like you to consider tonight and debate or recommend or approve or whatever kind of direction that you can give us to move forward. So in speaking with the GPAC and listening to the community and thinking of our own goals for writing the administrative draft, we identified six issues that it would be really, really good if we could get some direction from you folks tonight. These are the six, and they're in the memo, but as I said, We want to give you a little bit of context. Before I do that, I just want to say, why are we doing this? What are we going to do after tonight? So. What your decision, what you tell us about the marine ship tonight will help us with the process. And what's next for the process? It begins tomorrow night here. There's a GPAC meeting. We're calling them the policy framework meetings. They're basically detailed outlines of each element. We're going to do two a night for the rest of the year. There's three more meetings. So the first one is tomorrow night, we have two elements. Once we finish that, we're still in the visioning phase, but the last task in the visioning phase is to have a joint council planning commission study session again, around the idea of a policy framework. So what we envision right now is that we'll be bringing to that study session things that need better clarity, things that need a voice to make a decision and move forward with. So in January, we haven't scheduled this meeting yet, but in January when that happens, that brings the visioning phase to an end. Like I said, once we get through tomorrow night's meeting, we'll learn a lot about those two elements that we're going to talk about tomorrow night. So we'll actually be starting to basically draft the administrative draft general plan. |
| 01:22:53.95 | Tom Ford | So then we'll be In the third phase of the general plan process, Preparation phase. I think it's sometime around the middle of February, we have an administrative draft due to staff. And they'll have a couple of weeks to review it and get it back to us. We'll take their comments and create what will be called the public review draft. And that will be released in March. And that will allow for a series of community interactions or community meetings at which public comment can be taken on that public review draft. After that, the Draft EIR will have been released also, and that comes with it a 45 day comment period. At the close of the 45-day comment period, the EIR consultant will then start to create the final environmental review document. And so we're hoping that both of those are ready in July. for, well we're not hoping, we're planning, For both of those to be ready in July to start the hearing process. The commission and the council I think take August off. So we're trying to straddle August and see if we can get away without actually having a meeting. But certainly by September and October it will be at the council hearing. So all of these different colored boxes depending on what phase we're in are all these different opportunities that will continue to see chances for people to comment not only on the general plan but on the EIR. So- We got a request from staff to talk a little bit about what economic sustainability is. For me, it goes back to the United Nations and the Brundtland Commission. And this is basically a take on the Brundtland statement that you basically, you plan for a future, you don't outlive in the existing what you can't afford to maintain in your future. You make sure the future generations have a home, have a house, have a planet. Um, We're not doing a really good job about that right now globally, but that's the idea behind sustainability is that you're really taking care of things as you proceed. So. So I'm going to go through these six. I can go through all, we have a couple of slides for each of them to give you an idea. I can go through all six or we can do one and stop or however you want to do. I think. |
| 01:25:40.97 | Unknown | All six, do you agree that we hit all these now? |
| 01:25:44.69 | Tom Ford | Okay. Great. So. We're asking you to help us. should we have an economic sustainability statement in the vision statement. Right now, it is not there, but as I said, a bit of a disagreement among GPAC members about whether it belonged there or whether it didn't. Some things to consider are that it allows you to sort of think holistically about the entire plan, and there's other goals in that community that will benefit from thinking about the future for everything and economic sustainability. You also can have an opportunity to make sure that the infrastructure and public access is funded in a way that maintains, it's funded in a way that matches the needs that you set out for yourself. And it allows you to start to think about some potential mitigation measures for sea level rise. The next item that we asked you to opine on is this issue of sub areas. Presently, the marine ship specific plan has three sub areas. And so it's a concept that already exists. It doesn't necessarily have to remain those exact boundaries if this concept were to be pushed forward. But also your zoning kind of reflects that same thing. You already have sub areas just based on the way the existing zoning is laid out. So the sub areas, it may be a new concept, but in a sense it's not. The next is housing, and as I said, we received a lot of... public comment at our GPAC meetings about this. There's a lot of interest in this as I'm sure you're aware. So We want to put up some issues for you to consider. There is, starting on September 7th, we heard a lot of interest from community members in town about an interest in housing. They quite often identify a specific type. senior housing. But that creates, as you see with bullet point three, there's a legally problematic way or method or matter that comes into play when you start trying to just predict who can live there and who can't. So it's problematic. As you know, the state, not just the region, but the state has a widespread housing demand issue. On the negative side, and many GPAC members have pointed this out, is the changing landscape of state residential regulation. So the state every year is bringing new housing, which takes many of these new regulations take away local control or the ability for the local government to have control over height, density, density bonus, things like that. And then also I think residential development has a very strong potential to impact the viability of your industrial uses out there. They aren't necessarily compatible neighbors and So conflicts arise. And then also residential development usually has a stronger threshold for brownfield remediation, which can get costly, especially when we don't know the full extent of what those issues might be right now. The next issue is this one of a waterfront path. We've heard both angles. There's some people that just like the way the path is right now. There's some that want it to be a more comprehensive network that is available locally. For pedestrians and bikes, as we know, as long ago as the 2008 Bicycle Master Plan, it was proposed. So there's good and bad. There's issues, however, introducing pedestrians and bikes into areas with traffic and industrial traffic and not the best road conditions. So there's some safety issues. What's not on here is there's obviously a BCDC issue in determining how it is, what the components of it, once you make a decision to do it, what are the components that it needs to have? Where can it be? Things like that. So, and our last bullet point is it could have potential impacts on existing businesses that don't necessarily need or want a lot of pedestrian traffic outside their business. The environmental remediation. The reason we brought this to you is it's not that we think it's a bad idea to think about, but we don't know if it's something you want to elevate to a vision statement. Um, So there are issues to consider. I think the brownfield issue is compounded by the subsidence issue out there. So there's a lot of things moving. There's a lot of things bubbling up, and there's a lot of things sinking. It's an expensive endeavor to mitigate. Just to discover the extent of what you might have is an expensive testing. The level of mitigation again, as I said, is determined by land use. So a residential land use is going to have a much more stringent mitigation and quite often if a residential use goes into a place like this that has brownfield, they have to cap the soil. Generally, you don't actually access the soil, so you don't have a lawn, |
| 01:31:52.00 | Unknown | So. I'll do it. |
| 01:31:55.05 | Tom Ford | plantings and things like that. So our big question though is in italics at the end. It's important, but do we want to raise it into a vision statement? Same with this one, there's a lot of issues with the infrastructure out there. There's water comes down off the hill, where does it go? Before it can get to the bay, it goes to the marineship. And so it lands there. And, um, There was some documentation in the background report about the aged condition of some of the water system out there. So the infrastructure presently isn't in the greatest condition and it's obviously an issue. Thank you. And moving forward, no matter how much development is predicted from out there, it's an issue that has to be dealt with, but should it be in the vision statement? So. That's my presentation. These are the six issues that it would be great if you could give us some direction on as we move forward into that process that I outlined. Starting in December, we're going to be writing the draft, the admin draft. And if you want to wordsmith that statement in blue, that's fine. We can bring that slide back. But this is kind of what we'd like to be able to go home with tonight. Thank you. |
| 01:33:19.66 | Unknown | Great. Thank you, Tom. We're going to ask some questions up here, I'm sure, and then we'll open it up to public comment. We'd like to ask Tom a question or two. |
| 01:33:31.44 | Unknown | Sure. Tom, items five and six, those were not particularly the subject of GPAC discussion. That's coming from the M group, right? |
| 01:33:41.09 | Tom Ford | Correct. |
| 01:33:41.87 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 01:33:42.17 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:33:42.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:42.58 | Tom Ford | Well, I would say all of these, but we did, in some cases, we heard a lot from the community. But yeah, they're all issues. |
| 01:33:49.46 | Unknown | But the GPAC did not discuss in its visioning meetings environmental remediation and infrastructure improvement. Nor sub areas. Correct. |
| 01:33:55.20 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 01:33:58.37 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Well, |
| 01:33:58.59 | Unknown | THE CITY IS A CITY IS A CITY |
| 01:33:58.93 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | We discussed sub areas. |
| 01:33:59.20 | Tom Ford | Well, they didn't want sub areas. Right, right. |
| 01:34:00.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:34:01.04 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | THE FAMILY IS |
| 01:34:01.24 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 01:34:02.29 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Can I just ask a quick follow up on that? So on number six, infrastructure is already included in the vision statement. So are you asking a different question? |
| 01:34:12.60 | Tom Ford | If we want to just make it about the improvements and the improvements that really need to start happening. |
| 01:34:18.96 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Well, it already says, it's hard for me to switch back and forth between notes and questions, Your vision statement right now says, sorry everybody, says the neighborhood is supported by updated infrastructure. |
| 01:34:41.39 | Tom Ford | Right, but I think we could drill down a little bit. One of our GPAC meetings, we heard that the stormwater issue, especially in a rainstorm, is different. So, I mean, there's different kinds of infrastructure, and if you want us to just drill down. |
| 01:34:42.33 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I mean, that's part of our- |
| 01:34:56.74 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. And then Tom, with respect to item one, economic sustainability, there was discussion about it not being necessary to have that as a specific part of the marineship vision. Since that's one of the cornerstones of the general plan itself for all of the neighborhoods. Correct? |
| 01:35:16.35 | Tom Ford | Correct, if it's in the ten goals. Right. The draft, draft ten goals. |
| 01:35:19.29 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:35:20.03 | Unknown | out. DraftKings. |
| 01:35:21.67 | Susan Patterson | Thank you. |
| 01:35:23.78 | Unknown | So I have a question on number one as well. Is there a definition of economic sustainability? I saw you put up some bullets, but I've heard varying definitions of what the intent of economic sustainability is. |
| 01:35:35.14 | Tom Ford | Well, that statement, like I said, I think this is even sort of drafted from the United Nations statement. This would be a statement, it's basically. actually I don't think this is I can't we report the Brundtland statement off the top of my head, but it means You don't live beyond your means now if you can't figure out how the future is going to enjoy the same place that you enjoy. And I just butchered that, but it's basically living now in a way that plans for sustainably. DON'T WANT TO SELL OUT. |
| 01:36:14.77 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Just picking up on that, I think it's really important for everyone in the room to understand what we're going to be talking about for economic sustainability tonight. And this definition is, I think, a fairly good definition of economic sustainability. It does not, I have seen flyers and we've gotten correspondence that it means profit above all else. Somebody on the GPAC even equated it to highest and best use, which is a term that means sort of profit. First, it is certainly not what I learned in college and with the Brundtland Report and others. Think of it as a much more inclusive concept that is the use of economic tools to fulfill cultural and social and other goods. So do we want arts, parks, that kind of thing in the Marin ship or in Sausalito and how can we have a long term sustainable path to that. And so I think before we have this discussion up here, and I'd like to hear from the public too, but when you were having the debate at the gpac there was no definition |
| 01:37:22.93 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 01:37:23.52 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | And I think the first, if we're going to include it in the statement, We need to agree in public, in front of everyone, on a definition of what that means. So this is a very key point to me, and I'm glad you asked Council Member Riley. So I think this is a good definition, personally. It reflects what I've seen and heard before, and it absolutely, I think, does not mean putting profit or developing for the sake of making money. |
| 01:37:57.56 | Unknown | So... Question? No, that's a good following up on his question. The question is do you |
| 01:37:59.90 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | No, that's following up on his question. The question is, do we agree that that's what it means? And can we agree on that just for purposes of tonight? |
| 01:38:09.44 | Unknown | Do we need to put that in the question right now? |
| 01:38:11.92 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | No, I'm just, I think it's a threshold question before we take public comment and that if |
| 01:38:15.09 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. I think we have a few of those. Yeah. |
| 01:38:17.73 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | So anyway, that's kind of one of my main, it was one of my main questions to staff is, Please provide a definition and you Let's figure out what it means before we talk about it. |
| 01:38:37.28 | Unknown | I want to, oh, did you have another one? |
| 01:38:37.35 | Unknown | Bye. Thank you. |
| 01:38:38.80 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:38:38.82 | Unknown | I have other questions, yeah. But go. Can I do a follow-up on that one though? If we're going to have a definition, then I think it needs to be accompanied by a metric. |
| 01:38:41.91 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:38:42.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:38:46.53 | Unknown | So, right now there's this definition does not include any metric for understanding whether we are accomplishing that goal. So any definition of economic sustainability as an underpinning of the marine ship specific Marinship area specifically. needs to have a metric associated with it. |
| 01:39:10.56 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Well, I think in a vision it would be that fulfills the other elements of the vision. So if your vision has infrastructure in it, then it helps infrastructure. If your vision has arts in it, it fulfills arts. You can't put a metric in a vision, I don't think. |
| 01:39:29.09 | Unknown | it. My question is, I think since we all, and the first line of the vision states it, we all support the working waterfront. Is that, and then the art community, as those being our two biggest protect and categories within the Marin ship. And how does housing fit in that as a planner? And this kind of follows with the sub areas as well. Do you see as a vision, not as a actual getting into the details of how, but as a visionary, do you see that we can continue to protect and enhance the arts and the waterfront, maritime working waterfront, While having the opportunity for affordable or senior housing defined in a density manner that fulfills the legal obligation. in a sub area away from those current uses. And I think if we all envision the Marin ship, we can see where that would be on the Bridgeway corridor, maybe south of harbor, those areas that don't seem to be heavy with waterfront, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT Is there a way that you see as a planner that we can have both instead of this either or that seems to be developing that we can't have both. Do you see both occurring as a planner? |
| 01:41:04.52 | Tom Ford | I think it's problematic, and it's not so much sub areas or anything like that. I think it's just that compatibility between a viable, the viability of your industrial industries, I think. I think One, and two, I think you have to be careful when you say senior housing, because I don't think you can do that. I think you have to say residential. And then once you open the door, then you've got residential. |
| 01:41:35.60 | Unknown | Well, I didn't want to get into the details, but can you say residential at a certain point? |
| 01:41:37.00 | Tom Ford | All right. |
| 01:41:38.72 | Unknown | Can you say residential at a certain density that doesn't imply a certain luxury housing? |
| 01:41:45.78 | Tom Ford | Yeah, but I know people that have one house on 80 acres. Yeah, but do you know the state's goal? And how that fits with the state's goal? Right, we can have a land use designation. We can use one of your existing ones or develop a new one. |
| 01:41:49.52 | Unknown | You know the state's goal and how that fits with the state's goal. |
| 01:41:58.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:41:58.69 | Tom Ford | you Um. |
| 01:42:00.12 | Unknown | Thank you. And I guess the same would go with the waterfront path. Where do we have an obligation to provide a certain level of circulation? to both the waterfront as well as a safe path of travel for a an area like the waterfront. |
| 01:42:24.59 | Tom Ford | I don't know that you have an obligation to do it everywhere, but I think you have an obligation that once you decide to do it, it not only has to conform to BCDC, but it does have to be safe, it has to be ADA accessible. And that's quite a width when you start to do that and you have to start to think about where's that width going to come from. So I don't think you have an obligation to do it, but I think if you do it, you have to do it right. |
| 01:42:46.36 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | So, |
| 01:42:50.93 | Tom Ford | Thank you. I yield to the vice mayor. |
| 01:42:52.82 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I just have a follow up question on that. So there was no map in our packet. There was no alternatives or proposed path. It's really unclear to me what you're asking us to give you guidance on tonight. |
| 01:43:08.36 | Tom Ford | If you want a path to be more of a comprehensive network, right now it's not a complete network. And there are maps, we didn't put one in, but we can get you one. But if you want it to be a complete network. |
| 01:43:23.90 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | So right now you can bike... I always find those the most successful paths. |
| 01:43:26.27 | Tom Ford | I always find those the most successful paths. |
| 01:43:28.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:43:28.61 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Right, but right now you can bike from Galilee Harbor... all the way through to Molly Stones on a road that is also a bike path. Is that the path you're talking about? And then there are walking paths closer to the water. |
| 01:43:46.72 | Tom Ford | I think it's more of a waterfront path. And ideally, I think people would like to have it not be shared with motor vehicles. But that's just me. |
| 01:43:50.53 | Unknown | And... |
| 01:44:04.35 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Right, but so are you asking, should there be a path in general? |
| 01:44:08.54 | Tom Ford | Should it be more of a continuous path than the future? |
| 01:44:08.56 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Should there be... So I understand that GPAC spent a lot of time discussing this, several meetings, but we don't have any of that. I mean, did they narrow down the options? |
| 01:44:21.94 | Tom Ford | It's not a unanimous decision. |
| 01:44:24.96 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | But do we have- |
| 01:44:26.65 | Doug Storms | Amen. Thank you. |
| 01:44:28.74 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | But do we have at least. Choices? or |
| 01:44:36.65 | Jeff Bradley | if I may, through the mayor, Jeff Bradley, principal of them group, working with Tom Ford on this project. The path issue is interesting because the existing general plan has pretty strong policy language about encouraging a continuous multi-use pedestrian bike path along the waterfront. And so our work with the GPAC was focused on sort of sussing out whether that was something we wanted to sort of keep as a main policy thrust within the marineship in terms of this path slash pedestrian path, bike path issue. So on the one hand, you could say, well, it's existing policy. Let's just roll it forward. But we found that was actually a really strong discussion item that a lot of really strong opinions were arisen on both sides of the question. And I would define both sides of the question as let's do a continuous path all along there or no, let's basically keep it as it is, but maybe do some strategic little link-ups of missing links, possibly pedestrian only, rather than trying to, I think there was a concern that if you you have a wide, you know, 8, 10, 12-foot wide path, and they do get that wide, like Tom mentioned, when you're doing a multi-use path that allows both pedestrians and cyclists to meet a standard, they have to be a certain width, and that in some areas has the potential to change the character of the existing environment out there where the land comes close to meeting the water. And so our recommendation was sort of a hybrid approach of respecting the goal of providing more access to the water, which is consistent with the existing general plan, it's consistent with BCDC policy advice, |
| 01:44:53.26 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:46:27.56 | Jeff Bradley | which is generally to encourage access to the waters of the state all up and down the coast, including the bay. But to be kind of discreet about it in a low-impact way and build on the existing network but not have a blanket approach that says there's going to be a continuous multi-use path along the shore. |
| 01:46:51.53 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Okay, thank you. |
| 01:46:53.98 | Unknown | So one of the questions that came up with both these items as far as linking housing to jobs and linking pedestrian and non-vehicular traffic to jobs and places that people want to be. As we've determined this is our number one economic area as well as our number one community asset. And then in balancing that with global sea level rise reduction in management, let alone all the good planning practices we know of in those regards of putting housing next to transportation and jobs and services like grocery stores and post office and things like that. Having, we know the modes of transportation are there now that are non-vehicular. So the modes are there, the desire's there, the only thing lacking are the roots. If we really were going to do something about global sea level rise reduction, what we try to provide the route, the routes for those extra modes of transportation. then now it becomes a secret question in a way, what is this plan doing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions if we're not including pedestrian and bicycle. transportation ways. Or considering housing that doesn't compete with the current uses in an area that does reduce traffic by being close to the services and the transportation. So as I put those in an envelope, that's the conflict I'm seeing is how do we reduce global sea level rise? How do we perform a proper CEQA if we don't want to put people near their jobs and we don't want to let them get from one end of the membership to another on a bike? That's the conflict I see that we have, and I was hoping that the CEQA type conversation might help. clear that vision for us because I think we all want to be on that page. And as a planner, do you see where we can be able to do that? |
| 01:48:43.28 | Jeff Bradley | What we tried to do was marry our professional opinions with the recommendations going from the GPAC. And obviously the GPAC is an advisory committee to the council, but we took their recommendations as consultants as, like, the best information we could have on the subject that we were asking them about. So it's perfectly within the council's prerogative to, you know, re-focus or re-jigger our policy sort of thrust. And so to some extent, we're going to defend the work of the GPAC because it was the recommendation that was given to us and we spent a lot of time with them in this room talking about these topics. And we think the outcomes are good and solid recommendations to the council. if you want us to argue the other side of the question, you know, we can do that. You know, from a council discretionary standpoint, you know, you want to know the pros and cons of all your actions. So if the policy direction is to be more aggressive in terms of reducing our community-wide greenhouse gas footprint by building, you know, a better jobs housing balance by increasing, you know increasing opportunities for non-motorized transit, that's a policy direction we can work with. And I think that would be good direction, but I think it might – we would still have these specific questions about the marineship. Because we could overall do more housing or more jobs, but we could still have a separate debate discussion about how that lands on the marinship. |
| 01:50:27.57 | Unknown | Great, thank you. And so I think we all agree that working waterfront maritime is that first bullet and it is the first sentence of our report. current vision. Any other questions? |
| 01:50:41.46 | Ray Withy | Thank you. I would like to start off by asking the question about sub areas for planning purposes. We received, and during the scoping meeting, we had, in particular, one of our planning commissioners who's on the GPAC, indicate that it was actually illegal for us to divide the marine ship up into sub-areas. I'm paraphrasing Janelle, so if I got it a little bit wrong, sorry. But basically, according to CEQA, we were really prohibited from doing that. I'm getting them paraphrasing. And that this had to be treated as one project. And therefore, once many, many, many, many years ago, the marine ship was designated the marine ship. If I take that to its logical conclusion, it must forever remain so and never be rezoned in any way. That would be the logical implication of that argument. So could you please inform us or have the city attorney inform us or tell us when we can be informed? As to whether we are allowed for planning purposes under CEQA to consider planning in sub areas of the Marinship. |
| 01:51:59.99 | Jeff Bradley | Sure. I'll take the first stab at it and then ask the city attorney to weigh in as well. It's an interesting question. From a planning perspective, there's no issue I can identify with utilizing sub-areas. Obviously, from a planning perspective, we have already taken great liberties with breaking the city up into various sub-areas, generally known as general plan land use categories. And furthermore, as Tom Ford mentioned earlier in his presentation, if you read the existing Marinship-specific plan, within the first few pages it already identifies three sub-areas within the Marinship. And so from a CEQA perspective, I feel like there's nothing, there's really, you know, |
| 01:52:28.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:52:52.69 | Jeff Bradley | There's nothing to prohibit the city from continuing to either consider keeping the structure in place that's within the specific plan for the partnership to identify three sub-areas either as they exist now or change them or move away from that completely and just look at it as one area. That's fully up for discussion and debate, and it has no bearing, in my view, on the EIR or the CEQA analysis. |
| 01:53:24.86 | Unknown | Is that good? Did Mary want to? |
| 01:53:28.98 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:53:30.04 | Unknown | with Mr. Mayor and members of the City Council. you Thank you. |
| 01:53:32.47 | Mary Wagner | I concur that I don't believe that having planning areas within a certain zone. is violative of CEQA. There is a concept under CEQA that you can't segment a project for CEQA consideration, that doesn't mean the project can't have segments. It just means you consider them all at the same time from a CEQA perspective. |
| 01:53:55.59 | Unknown | Yeah. Regarding this senior affordable housing, Mary. So thank you, Tom, for that brief summary. For those in the audience who have not read the staff report that included some late correspondence from the city attorney, can you in five words or less, no, just kidding, summarize why we cannot designate a zone for senior affordable housing? |
| 01:54:20.16 | Mary Wagner | Yes, so the city cannot mandate that housing be limited to senior only housing under fair housing laws because it discriminates against families. But there is a distinction between a requirement that it be senior housing versus, for example, a property owner or a developer requesting a senior only housing project. And that is allowed under fair housing laws. |
| 01:54:46.92 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Great. |
| 01:54:47.02 | Mary Wagner | Great. Thank you. |
| 01:54:47.68 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:54:47.88 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:54:48.25 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, so just a follow up on that. Thank you. So, There are ways that we could limit housing and provide for conditions on any housing. So for example, we could provide that eventually, not necessarily in the general plan, but you if there were to be housing, it could not displace a desirable use, such as light industrial or arts space, that it, had to be special purpose housing, so not just senior housing, but maybe workforce, senior or affordable housing. So we could place conditions on it, we just can't require senior housing, is that correct? |
| 01:55:36.89 | Mary Wagner | Yes, so the way the question was literally posed to me was can we basically mandate that it be senior only, restrict to only senior housing, and that's the response that you got. There are certainly a number of other planning tools that can be examined and looked at in terms of what kind of housing is developed where. And you have all kinds of zoning regulations as you alluded to earlier that could include restrictions on certain development density, all those types of things. So yeah, all those things could be explored as other options for you to consider. |
| 01:56:07.21 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | And then just one more follow up on that. So I've heard people saying rezoning the Marin ship for housing. But we wouldn't need to make the entire, if housing is a desirable use, we wouldn't need to rezone the entire Marin ship for housing. It would be possible to have only specified appropriate. ZONE. |
| 01:56:31.77 | Mary Wagner | You could designate certain areas where you wanted to allow housing. |
| 01:56:35.19 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | And that would not open up the rest of the- otherwise zoned parcels |
| 01:56:41.20 | Mary Wagner | If you only zone certain parcels or certain areas of the marinship for housing, the others would not become housing automatically. Thank you. |
| 01:56:48.15 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. I'll try to jump. |
| 01:56:49.64 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:56:49.65 | Unknown | That's okay. And then Jeff, we have in place now a housing element, right? And that housing element lasts us through 2023, correct? Correct. And that housing element mandates that we identify a certain number of units of low income and very low income housing, correct? |
| 01:57:07.84 | Jeff Bradley | as well as moderate and above moderate. |
| 01:57:09.75 | Unknown | And above moderate, and we are on track to meet our quota for low income and very low income housing, correct? |
| 01:57:16.13 | Jeff Bradley | I have not reviewed your annual reports. So, |
| 01:57:18.86 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:57:18.90 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:57:19.03 | Mary Wagner | So Mary? That's my understanding when I last researched or looked into that issue with planning department, which has been probably last May, I believe we got our last report, we were on track except for the above mod. |
| 01:57:19.07 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:57:33.34 | Unknown | And it's likely with the governor's prioritization of housing that HCD's quotas handed down to all cities will increase in the next round. Correct. That's the word on the street. And if we identify units of affordable housing now, will we be able to count those in our next cycle that commences in 2023? towards meeting our quota. |
| 01:58:04.36 | Jeff Bradley | No, not towards me and your quota. |
| 01:58:06.11 | Unknown | So, Thank you. So we're on track now through 2023, but if we identify new units now, We may not be able to count those towards the quota that will be handed down in 2023. COMPANY. |
| 01:58:20.93 | Jeff Bradley | Right. |
| 01:58:23.34 | Unknown | So are you guys discussing my question? |
| 01:58:25.35 | Ray Withy | No, I just need a follow up on that. |
| 01:58:28.29 | Unknown | THE CITY. |
| 01:58:28.56 | Ray Withy | Yeah. Let's clarify this because I think this is a very important point that a lot of people are missing. So our next housing element is due in 2023. I think that's a good question. You may hear the word on the street, I hear word on the street, our reading numbers are going to treble. Okay. |
| 01:58:54.44 | Unknown | That's the number of units of housing that we have to identify. Right. In this cycle it was 89. Right. We predict it will be 270 in the next cycle. |
| 01:59:05.82 | Ray Withy | And you know, I mean, |
| 01:59:05.83 | Unknown | And, |
| 01:59:07.93 | Ray Withy | Some of us work with ABAC, some of us work with MTC, we know what's coming down the pike. I want to make sure that we understand the difference between identify and build. Because if we've identified the capacity but they've not been built, surely they can count towards the next renocycle. So explain that a little bit. So I want to understand that. |
| 01:59:30.15 | Jeff Bradley | So you have to. THE END OF THE END OF THE The answer to Council Member Cox's question was about progress under the existing housing element cycle that we're in right now, where we need to show issued building permits for actual units. And then in terms of what we can count for the next cycle in terms of capacity, then you could count it for that. |
| 01:59:32.09 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:59:42.82 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:59:51.97 | Unknown | But the way that SB 35 rewrote the definition of arena is it's no longer a goal, it's a mandate. And it's a mandate to identify new housing, not already identified housing, correct? not Not already designated housing. |
| 02:00:13.15 | Jeff Bradley | Correct. Yeah. Right. So one of the big changes I think you're capturing there is in the past, you could sort of continue to point at the same site and say, we're going to get 10 units from that site. It's zoned appropriately. We can make a fair argument that it's going to redevelop within the cycle. And you could do that over multiple cycles. |
| 02:00:13.28 | Unknown | Correct. Right. |
| 02:00:32.86 | Unknown | So long as it was never actually developed. |
| 02:00:34.93 | Jeff Bradley | THE END OF THE END OF THE But now, that with the new state law, that's not allowed. And so in order to count that same site again, you have to essentially do something to it to change the assumptions and parameters of why it's really going to develop this time. In other words, up-zoned. |
| 02:00:51.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:00:59.22 | Unknown | Any other questions? I do, but I'm going to take us back to the walkway, if you don't mind. The current vision statement says the Marinship welcomes residents of houseboats and live boards while providing safe and convenient public access to transits shore and to parks with a low impact. And functional vehicular and pedestrian circulation network. Does that not encompass the walkway? One question. Second is, today there is a continuous path, if you are creative. And I've been using it for 15 years. Is that a legal path that I've been using? or is that a, |
| 02:01:36.19 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:01:36.56 | Unknown | LEGAL. |
| 02:01:37.03 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 02:01:37.05 | Unknown | path. |
| 02:01:37.37 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. I do believe portions of it are on private property, and it would be up to the property owners or the city attorney to opine on the legality of those portions. The attempted language, the references to low impact and functional, our intent there was to impart the idea that this wasn't a grand promenade along the waterfront with decorative light fixtures every 25 feet and a cast iron railing and brick pavers, just kind of a functional, appropriate level path for the people that live and work there, but we're not creating this attractive destination for tourists to come and buy ice creams and walk up and down the path. That was kind of the nature of the debate. When some people saw PATH, they saw this sort of existing, low-impact, organic kind of feature that would be really hard to be opposed to and that people actually use. And then other people saw a path as legitimately, because the path exists on this spectrum of a fully developed waterfront, a walkway that would really just be different than what the area has grown up to be over the years. |
| 02:02:55.93 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Did the bike pad committee weigh in on this question? |
| 02:02:59.08 | Jeff Bradley | They weighed in and provided some mapping of segments that were missing and recommendations for upgrading and they were generally pro multi-use path across the board. But more I think a focus on more functional pathways for people actually wanting to go somewhere as opposed to the purely visitor serving kind of walkway. |
| 02:03:22.89 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:03:31.95 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, so. There's been, I think it would be helpful to clarify, there's been talk about the Marinship specific plan and kind of rescinding that and putting this plan in place. But then there's been a lot of discussion and fear, I think, and nervous, you know, anxiety about taking that away without something concrete in its place. So could you just explain... how this general plan works with the marineship specific plan. |
| 02:04:05.89 | Jeff Bradley | Sure, so the Marinship Specific Plan was adopted some time ago. as a document, its age is showing. Even if you were to keep it just exactly as is, as an existing specific plan, you'd want to have it retyped, because it's hard to read, and it's fuzzy. But there's a lot of good content in there. And I think the community workshop on September 7th at the Spinnaker really brought a lot of that to life, that while the specific plan has a bad reputation in some quarters because it is older and it is hard to read, for For all intents and purposes, it has achieved its primary objective, which I think was to preserve the working waterfront land uses, which is not easily done in the Bay Area with the real estate pressures for those lands to be used for some other use. And then backing it up with an industrial area that is fairly intact and it hasn't been invaded by large scale churches, which happens in some communities, nothing against churches, but they're not industrial. Daycare centers, karate centers, learning centers, a lot of cities struggle with maintaining an intact industrial area. So the core of the plan, if you read the general goals, policies, it's very similar to the vision statement in terms of the primary aims. When it gets down to individual zoning level designation, it gets really dicey because there's no street addresses or no parcel numbers. all the properties you refer to by name, by the name of the business that was there in 1985? 85? 84? there were no parcel numbers, all the properties were referred to by name, by the name of the business that was there in 1985? 85, 84? 84. So from a planning perspective, it would be fairly easy to incorporate the core of the specific plan within the general plan because it's all high-level policy stuff. But when it comes to the real nitty-gritty implementation detail, which it takes the form of zoning usually, those things should be in the zoning code. To some extent, they already are because there's an M overlay that is also applied to that area that shows up in the zoning code. And so there's a lot of the standards already in the zoning code, but then there's all these cross references back to the specific plan. It gets confusing about what it's actually trying to do. So from our perspective, We would like to take the goals and policies from the marineship and basically just transplant them into the general plan with some follow-on programs to say these policies need further implementation work done in the zoning code. |
| 02:06:57.19 | Unknown | with. |
| 02:07:07.75 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | And if we do that successfully, there won't be a gap where some button could take advantage of that and build something that's not. permitted. |
| 02:07:19.07 | Unknown | Correct. Just follow up on that. The general intent of the marineship plan as folks stated in The marineship specific development objective. is to retain the 1970 SOS of the general plan. So it was referring to something in general plan that we don't currently have in our general plan. A lot of those were picked up. Do you see anything in this current specific plan meant for the 1970 period that can't be incorporated into a new general plan going forward? Thank you. |
| 02:07:57.33 | Jeff Bradley | I mean there's some references like that that you wouldn't carry forward because the you the specific plan has its own general plan level land use map associated with it that has been carried into the city's general plan and as well as the zoning code. So even though that had a reference to a 1970 general plan, I would argue that the content of the plan has already done that. And so you don't have to keep referring to it in a new, those policies live in a new document. |
| 02:08:13.06 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:08:22.07 | Unknown | You don't have to |
| 02:08:28.84 | Unknown | Great, thanks. Thank you. |
| 02:08:29.88 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 02:08:29.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:08:30.00 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 02:08:31.48 | Ray Withy | Jeff, when we I don't know, a couple of GPAC meetings ago when we were talking about the housing issue. The important point brought up, which was we alluded to tonight. We got a housing element coming up in 2023. We don't want to create a policy that is not going to allow us to take full advantage of what we could do in 2023. I accept that. And so, but you and I had a back and forth at the GPAC where we discussed Even if we're not going to make modifications to the housing element now, But in anticipation for any planning work that would need to be done for the housing element, what would we need to put in the current general plan update, possibly in the land use element, that would enable us or facilitate us to take a relook at the marinship when it comes to housing for the 2023 housing element. Do you remember that conversation and you indicated, you seem to indicate at the time, that we should have some reference in the land use element to the housing element and possibly any planning efforts to evaluate that. Do you want to expand on that for us? |
| 02:09:58.69 | Jeff Bradley | Sure. It's primarily what I would call sort of a packaging issue or a timing issue. It's not truly substantive, but best practices would be, we're updating the entire general plan now with the exception of the housing element. That's done, not touching that. So we're doing a general plan update for all the other chapters or elements of the general plan. So if we know that in 2023, or leading up to 2023, we are going to be updating the housing element. Ideally, you would have some references in the land use element, in the circulation element, in the public services section, that the general plan as a document envisions a future possibility where there may be housing in the mar services section that the general plan as a document envisions a future possibility where there may be housing in the marinship. Just kind of set the policy expectation at a high level. So that when 2023 rolls around and you start having that conversation, if there is a decision to add housing at that time, you would have a policy framework and policy sort of coverage to do that. I say it's a packaging issue or a timing issue because you could easily say, no, we don't want to do that now for whatever reason. We would deal with that later when we do the housing element. It would just mean you would have to, you couldn't just surgically deal with your housing element. You have to make some, because each element has to be compatible and consistent with each other, you may have to make some small changes to your other elements to acknowledge that you've created this different policy framework within the housing element itself. Because if the land use element for the entire general plan essentially says there's no housing in the marineship allowed, and then the housing element pops up later and says housing in the marineship is happening now because the state has really forced us against the wall, you'd have an inconsistency within the general plan, and that's not allowed. So you could do that now in a proactive manner or deal with it later when you know better like really what you need to do. |
| 02:11:19.32 | Unknown | COMMENT. |
| 02:11:29.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:00.41 | Unknown | Follow up to that, Ray. Jeff, if the manner in which we chose to implement some housing followed along what Susan or Joe mentioned, which is the corridor along Bridgeway, and if we simply redrew the boundaries of the Marin ship, then we wouldn't have that internal inconsistency because that zone would now be residential, not Marin ship, correct? |
| 02:12:29.89 | Jeff Bradley | Now I'm feeling Council Member Cleveland Knowles angst at not having a map to look at. |
| 02:12:38.11 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I think most plans show the map at the time, so I don't see how that would. |
| 02:12:42.53 | Jeff Bradley | Yeah. |
| 02:12:42.97 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. |
| 02:12:43.02 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 02:12:43.39 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 02:12:43.41 | Carolyn Revell | Thank you. |
| 02:12:43.55 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 02:12:43.56 | Carolyn Revell | Yeah. |
| 02:12:46.16 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | But yes, I have map anxiety. Thanks for |
| 02:12:52.00 | Unknown | Thanks, Ray. Yeah, I'm waiting for, anybody else? SEE NONE. |
| 02:12:57.15 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | How many cards? |
| 02:12:57.79 | Unknown | I'm going to, if I can lift them all. Oh, boy, it's a lot of cards. |
| 02:13:00.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:13:02.50 | Unknown | Um, I'm going to open up public comment, and I think we have 35 here. So I am going to call you up in threes if you could be prepared. Remember you have three minutes, that is a max, it's not a goal. You don't have to, if you get to two and you have nothing else to say, we appreciate it. Oh look, more. So I will start with Judith Leachman. |
| 02:13:24.84 | Unknown | to come. |
| 02:13:26.14 | Unknown | I was going to do three. Then Carolyn Revell, and then Tom Hoover. |
| 02:13:36.30 | Unknown | Hi, Judith. |
| 02:13:40.38 | Judith Leachman | Hello, my name's Judith Leachman and I wrote a letter to the Sorry. to the City Council. Good evening, City Council, and ladies and gentlemen. And my name is Judy Leachman, and I have been president of the Edgewater Seniors for the last seven years, and I'm a member of Since June 2008, I was also on the age friendly Sausalito task force during the pandemic. Survey phase the Edgewater senior club is in favor of senior housing assisted living and memory care sorry being considered in the marineship. Our members are aging, many are in their 90s. Several of our members have had to leave Sausalito because they were priced out of the Rental market. or needed to move to assisted living outside of the area. It would have been wonderful if they could have moved to assisted living right here in the town they love. It is my understanding that to move forward on considering housing or assisted living memory care, there needs to be an Environmental Impact Review, EIR. I request that the council support the EIR for senior housing, including assisted living and memory care, sincerely. And I will give a copy of the letter. Thank you. |
| 02:15:38.03 | Unknown | Thank you, Judith. Carolyn, Tom, and then Rosalie Wallace. |
| 02:15:44.63 | Carolyn Revell | Good evening, I'm Carolyn Revell. members of the council with the Sausalito Beautiful Board. Our board endorses the concept of a publicly accessible pedestrian waterfront path through the Marinship. This concept fits within our vision. of a community that enjoys beautiful parks, public spaces, streetscapes, trees, and pedestrian ways that are well designed, Thank you. and maintained. Such a path would be part of the city's basic infrastructure. By walking on an enhanced path from one end of the Marinship to the other, Sausalito residents can experience our unique maritime heritage. my fellow board member Adele Nieto and I walked this again today and found that there are serviceable portions of path and stretches and then barriers that if removed would provide a continuous experience. A waterside path can be a near-term actionable physical improvement to Sausalito that benefits pedestrians and businesses, connects parks, fosters community. There's much contention about the future of marinship, I'm sure we'll hear later, but a waterside path could be an element where the community could coalesce. A much more fundamental issue is sea level rise, By now, there's no question that climate change is real. that sea level rise will affect our town on the bay in a major way. The Marin ship offers the opportunity for innovative thinking on how to adapt to this phenomenon. The Marin ship can be a model of how communities cope with sea level rise. Sausalito can pioneer the most thoughtful, rational approach. this critical issue and coordinate with other cities around the Bay. As partners with the city, Sausalito Beautiful continues to be invested in planning for the marine ship and we look forward to being part of the continuing dialogue. Thank you so much. |
| 02:17:29.90 | Unknown | Thank you, Carolyn. Tom. Then Rosalie, then Sandra Bushmaker. |
| 02:17:37.61 | Tom Hoover | Hi, my name is Tom Hoover. I live in the Marin ship. I just wanted to make a couple of notes because like last time when I was at the GPAC, there's other people who have made absolutely precise things that are much better statements of precision than what I want to point out. One of the things that I would like to point out is that I also agree that there should be some form of housing, whether in the old days it was just simple live work. We lived where we worked, did what we wanted to do, and that was low income. And that allowed us to do the kinds of things that we did at the time, whether it was art or boat work or whatever. and so that it should be low income, and that there should be a place for the old folks in town. I do not think that it's discrimination... Overall, to say that we want to put our senior housing, for example, in the marinship when we have a whole other city. of family. family housing that in some sense is actually discriminating against senior housing. That's, to me, that just seems logical. And so One of the things about this specific plan is that, as I remember it having been part of the process, one of the things that I brought up before when we had the big meeting down at the Spinnaker, there were certain persons who were implying that that didn't actually represent you know, Sausalito or the intent of the town. That was a huge overflow and when the Marin ship specific plan was put in place, it was actually the process of from a historical perspective, the hill skunks as opposed to the water rats, which us waterfront dwellers fall into that historical perspective. And it was the citizens of Sausalito and the people on the hillside who put it together in general and did all of the work in order to try and protect what it is that they wanted about that part of their town and the residents. And so that, I want to, there was the implication in the last NOB or whatever, that it wasn't supposed to be there and that it was already decided that it wasn't going to be there. And that should be incorrect because the citizens wanted it and as you can see at each stage of this, huge portions of the citizen body come out in support and so I don't think that it's the right thing to assume that you're going to get rid of the marinship specific plan unless you can actually make whatever you do that takes it away still keep all of the things that were designed. marinship specific plan unless you can actually make whatever you do that takes it away still keep all of the things that were desired in it and that there was some one of the reasons that we talked about it And not just for the marinship, but for all of Sausalito, going back to when we had to fight against the so-called monoclonization. So anyway, that's it. |
| 02:20:40.96 | Unknown | Anyway, that's- Thank you, Tom. Sorry. Good job. That's it. No, that's great. Rosalie, Sandra Bushmaker, and then Nora Sawyer. Rosalie. Yeah. |
| 02:20:42.81 | Tom Hoover | Tom. Thank you. |
| 02:20:43.47 | Unknown | Sorry. |
| 02:20:44.11 | Tom Hoover | Good job. |
| 02:20:45.02 | Unknown | That's it. |
| 02:20:45.43 | Tom Hoover | No, that's right. |
| 02:20:52.67 | Unknown | Okay, sorry, Rosalie. Sandra, then Nora. Thanks, CC. |
| 02:20:57.34 | Sandra Bushmaker | I'm not starting talking yet, but I do have maps of subsidence in the Sausalito waterfront. You have started talking. And I've got a few copies to pass to the public. |
| 02:21:02.41 | Unknown | I've started talking. OK, you're talking. Sandra. |
| 02:21:11.23 | Sandra Bushmaker | It is attached to your email. |
| 02:21:12.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:13.44 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay. I also have for the council, the global climate change and local land subsidence exacerbate inundation risk to the San Francisco Bay Area. This 2018, research project discovered that Sea level rises were underestimated between 3.7 and 90.9% in the average Because the subsidence was not taken into account. when measuring the sea level. There's a big difference there. So I'd like to pass this out to the council. |
| 02:21:47.88 | Unknown | Yeah, after you do your whole speed, yeah. |
| 02:21:49.30 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:21:52.93 | Sandra Bushmaker | I also have another handout for demonstration purposes. This is a Knapp Verplank. our Historic content text statement for the Marin ship dated June 2011 and I think that's a good question. prepared for the Community Development Department of Sausalito, California. |
| 02:22:18.58 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay, I'm gonna take a few minutes and read my email for the people at home. for the people who are here, and for the people who have an inability to copy this at home. It's been in your late mail packet today, correct? |
| 02:22:32.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:22:33.63 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay. Dear Council, I wish to speak to the Marinship vision on tonight's agenda. My comments are not fully discussed due to time constraints. One, I oppose adding economic sustainability statement included in the vision. It is nowhere defined to a measurable standard. It appears to be up to the individual to decide what is to be measured and how to measure it. how to measure the exclusive it. For furthermore, further, More, economic viability is included in the general plan. This concept has recently been used in San Rafael. the concept of economic sustainability on a.63 acre parcel. by the developer of Seagate, backed by MetLife, to create a housing project that is three times the allowed use, which increased the building at Third and Lincoln to a six story project. Please note that Seagate property Just purchased one in three Harbor Drive, a six acre parcel. Details of the San Rafael project, it started out as a 45 unit as permitted use. Following density bonuses and other benefits, the numbers rose to 61. Following the developer's economic sustainability study, there are now 120 units in six stories on 0.63 acres. Many parking issues for this project have already been reported in the Marin IJ. Wick Polite of Seagate Properties responded to inquiries regarding inadequate parking request. |
| 02:24:12.84 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. That's it? Yeah, yeah, you've got three minutes and we're on to, I have Nora next. |
| 02:24:14.92 | Sandra Bushmaker | That's it? |
| 02:24:21.93 | Unknown | She's just reading an email she sent to us. But the public doesn't know this. Thank you, Sandra. A few other times to talk to us. |
| 02:24:28.72 | Unknown | other times to talk to us. Have someone else read it. Have someone else read it. |
| 02:24:32.14 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay, does anyone else want to continue where I left off? Sandra, you're talking about |
| 02:24:35.77 | Unknown | Sandra, your time is up please. Nora, you're up. |
| 02:24:37.70 | Sandra Bushmaker | But someone else is going to continue for their three minutes. |
| 02:24:39.42 | Unknown | That's great, they can fill out a card, but you can Sandra. |
| 02:24:45.05 | Sandra Bushmaker | I'm not happy about this. |
| 02:24:46.17 | Unknown | I know. |
| 02:24:47.80 | Sandra Bushmaker | I put a lot of work into this. I hope you dread it. |
| 02:24:49.15 | Unknown | I will read all your documents you send to us. Nora, you're up, and then Craig, and then Mary Ann. |
| 02:24:58.81 | Unknown | Thank you. My name is Nora Sawyer and I've been living in Sausalito for eight years this month. And for the last three years I've lived at Galilee Harbor. And I just wanted to acknowledge it up front that I know everyone here wants what's best for Sausalito. And though I may be verging on Pollyanna territory saying so, I even say all of us love it. Because Sausalito is a special place. And the Marin ship is an important part of what makes La Salita special. From a historical perspective, it's just a gem, it's the most intact, shipyard from World War II in the Bay Area. And though it was smaller than other yards, I think we can all be proud that it was renowned for both innovation and efficiency. And this isn't just history, as you've noted already, there's a lot of work still happening on the working waterfront. And a lot of innovation. The continued existence of a working waterfront in Sausalito is vital not only to our identity, but to the rest of the Bay as well. As the number of boatyards and other marine service providers in the Bay Area declines, it becomes more important that we hold on to our maritime heritage and remain a maritime city. I'm just going to scroll through some stuff to preserve some time. As I mentioned earlier, I live at Galilee Harbor, which as you know, is a community of artists and maritime workers. Some of us are low income and many of us are aging in place or aspire to do so. And those small were an example of how affordable housing can happen in Sausalito. And that both serves its community and maintains the city's character. We're also a good example of how some of those waterfront paths work, because they cross through our property and you're more than welcome to use them. Um, Galilee depends on the marineship. In 1987, supporters of Galilee wrote that its existence would support the arts and maritime traits by providing moderately priced housing, and that our community on the water is a historic use. The preservation of which will help maintain the waterfront's character and the rich diversity of Sausalito's residents. Support for artists and for people working in maritime trades in Sausalito requires this sort of affordable housing, but the usefulness of that housing depends on there being places where art and maritime work can happen in Sausalito. Once those places are gone, they won't come back. Skilled craftspeople who don't have a space to work here won't stay here. Offices can't be turned back into slipways once those slipways are gone. So when we talk about housing, we also need to talk about the work that happens in the friendship today and how we can preserve that relationship. And thank you so much for listening and for all your hard work on behalf of Sausalito. |
| 02:27:46.81 | Unknown | Mary Ann Dolan, Lauren McKeon, Judy. |
| 02:27:50.59 | Mary Ann Dolan | Thank you. The Press. |
| 02:27:54.17 | Unknown | Yeah, where's Craig's card? Where did you go, Craig? |
| 02:27:56.23 | Mary Ann Dolan | There was the Craig person. |
| 02:27:58.34 | Unknown | Oh, there it is, Craig, sorry. It was Craig, you're right. |
| 02:27:59.44 | Mary Ann Dolan | It was Craig. |
| 02:28:00.53 | Craig Merrilee | I'm sorry. Right, sorry about that. No, no, no problem. Um, Thank you. My wife and I live on the very edge. We're literally on the borderland here with the Marin ship, so we're close enough to throw stones. My first comment or observation has, I was shocked by the timeline that the Council has put together for this process. I mean, it's really hard to look at it with a straight face and not. conclude that you're trying to ram this through before the next election. It seems pretty obvious what's going on to me anyway. That certainly seems the only conclusion. And having worked in many general plans over the years, I've never seen one with this kind of a timeline that's rushed in this way. So I think that doesn't really speak well. And it doesn't speak well for actual participation. It strikes me more that we're going through the motions sometimes here instead of really looking deeply into some of these problems. I understand why developers want to rush this process. For them, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to get rezoning that they've been angling for for decades. And they have a lot at stake here. Some of these people are going to make fortunes when you rezone their property. And they've been jamming you, and they've been jamming officials here in the city for a long, long time to get this through. And some of you appear willing to do that bidding. I would urge you to back off, slow down. Let's just take a few breaths here and look at what's at stake here. The other thing is the housing issue. There are Trojan horses being brought into the room here, the senior housing, the AIDS housing, things that are Everybody wants to see those things, but there's only one way to get affordable senior housing. There's only one way to get affordable housing. for workers and that is to give developers eight or nine units of housing for every affordable housing unit they get. So let's just be real. There is no plan that's going to create affordable housing for anybody in the city unless you allow the developers to operate on that ratio of eight or nine for every one that's affordable. So if you want to do the math and talk about 270 units of affordable housing, you quickly see you're looking at almost 2,000 units of housing in order to generate those numbers that you think you need for your next housing element. So if that's what you want to do, be up front, be honest, but that's the only way to get that housing. Now, maybe if we do our jobs and there's a new administration in Washington, we'll have federal dollars. And that's when we can do smart housing and we can actually build affordable housing in this and other communities. But prostituting ourselves for the developers so that they can throw tidbits at us, which frankly is the only way it can happen right now. It's not they're bad people, they're not immoral. That is the only way you can do it under the current framework. Um, I also heard that Thank you. Thank you very much. |
| 02:31:07.22 | Unknown | Craig, Craig. Excuse me. |
| 02:31:14.33 | Unknown | I just want to Thank you. |
| 02:31:17.58 | Unknown | I just wanted Craig's last name. |
| 02:31:19.47 | Unknown | It's right here. |
| 02:31:20.22 | Craig Merrilee | Thank you. M-E-R-R-I-L-E-E HE SAID HE WAS A LITTLE BIT |
| 02:31:24.06 | Unknown | He spelled it right. Thank you. |
| 02:31:24.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:24.75 | Craig Merrilee | Thank you. |
| 02:31:26.76 | Unknown | No, we got. |
| 02:31:28.42 | Unknown | you |
| 02:31:28.48 | Mary Ann Dolan | He's saying, |
| 02:31:28.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:28.97 | Mary Ann Dolan | THAT YOU CAN DO. |
| 02:31:29.18 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:29.19 | Mary Ann Dolan | Thank you. |
| 02:31:29.21 | Unknown | I spelled it correctly on the speaker. |
| 02:31:29.31 | Mary Ann Dolan | I can spell it correctly on the speaker. |
| 02:31:31.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:31:31.84 | Mary Ann Dolan | Good evening. My name is Marianne Dolan. I'm a filmmaker. And I've lived in Sausalito since 1987. I'm not sure. On the waterfront since 1991 and at Galilee since 1993, And also the last time the city did one of these big visioning things. I wrote, I was the editor of the transportation report. It was a lot of work. And we have a whole bunch in there about paths. So you could actually pull it off the shelf and Have a look. Uh... A few years ago I made a movie called Houseboat Wars about the history. AND I THINK IT'S A of the waterfront basically. And since I was a relative newcomer, I realized I had to study a lot of history. to you know, get it right. I'm not sure. And one of the things I discovered was wave after wave of assaults by developers. It's almost regular. you know. Anyway, some of them were really colorful. There was this one. gigantic, lavish party out on the dry docks. And the developers were wooing their investors. You just had to see it, umbrellas and Anyway, I don't know if all of you even know what the dry docks are, were, but anyway. And then there were... What was the, oh, the other one was, the other really colorful one was, there was a C Ranch house. You know what, you know those redwood? pulled up on the beach at Schoonmaker And that developer wanted to build 223 residential units, a 250 room hotel, and a marina. And his carrot was, you'll you'll increase your property tax revenue every year by half a million dollars. And that was his pitch. And as grandiose as that pitch was, it was brought down. by Wayne Bonnet, and his team of intrepid volunteers that actually stood and counted. every car that went down Bridgeway for a period of time. And they compiled this traffic report. This is so humble, a traffic report, but it proved that this development was completely unsustainable or undoable because it would have clogged the streets. So this one very simple grassroots Um, endeavor. stopped a really grandiose proposal. And these have... |
| 02:34:35.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:34:36.15 | Mary Ann Dolan | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:34:43.73 | Unknown | Lauren, then Judy Leachman, then Peter Van Meter. |
| 02:34:47.41 | Lauren McEwen | Hi, my name is Lauren McEwen. I live, work, and rent a studio space in the Marinship. I work at Starbucks Canvas Works. We work in a traditional maritime trade serving All the marinas in Sausalito and beyond. Our shop has been in the marineship since 1981. We are born of the late great Peter M. Sutter, who was actually the first post-war tenant in the ICB. I'm actually here to read a letter on behalf of Brooke Marino. I share her sentiments. We are both a part of the next generation of women who are here now working labor on the waterfront. This is her letter. Brooke Marino is both the education director and a general boat yard employee at Spalding Marine Center and Boat Works. I'm writing you today to express my concern for the zoning changes and proposed development of the Marin ship. As a part of the working community in a boatyard which has been active on the Sausalito waterfront since 1951, I can attest to what a truly special place the MarinShip is. The Pacific Coast is peppered with the ruins of bygone maritime industry. and few are the places which have been able to resist the gentrification of once working landscapes. Fewer still are the people who recognize what is lost when we swap the cultural depth and vibrancy that comes from industries and economies firmly rooted in place for a spectacle marketed at tourists and vacationers. The layers of material history, the structures, vessels, and stories that have built up along the shores of Richardson Bay are unlike any other place because they are of this place. Likewise, the skills of maritime tradesmen and women in the Marin ship have been sharpened against the rocky shores and cultural context of Sausalito. This sort of experience is invaluable. and ought to be treasured. protected, and importantly, worked and improved As a global citizenry, we're at a critical juncture. as to how we move forward in the structuring of our societies and economies in the face of the multifaceted existential crisis commonly referred to as climate change. I firmly believe that industry, specifically local and regionally specific industries, are a necessary part of ensuring the resiliency, of both land bases and economies. These industries will need to be adaptive and creative in addressing these challenges. And they will need their communities support, not abandonment. If Sausalito is interested in fostering resilient community, decision makers will have to begin to value the relationships and skills forged from those who work this waterfront. Above possible revenue from real estate investment and good views for the elite. The people in this room Are the cartographers tasked with the mapping of the future of the Sausalito waterfront? That map can still be drawn in several ways, the result of which may be a city and a stretch of shoreline indistinguishable from so many others, washed clean of the marks of history and thank you. |
| 02:37:50.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:37:54.82 | Lauren McEwen | Thank you. |
| 02:37:54.87 | Unknown | Hey Lauren. Sorry, I just want to be sure she gives that letter to the clerk. Can you grab Lauren to give the letter to the clerk? Thank you. |
| 02:38:04.00 | Unknown | Thank you. Stick around. |
| 02:38:04.76 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:38:04.78 | Unknown | Thank you. Peter. Ed LeBarre. Bruce Hough. |
| 02:38:11.83 | Peter Van Meter | Before you start the clock, I'd like to clarify the correspondence that was listed under this item. You've got four items from me. And the first three were actually a document intended for the next agenda item. That content was sent in to city staff during the power outage because I was unable to combine that into a single PDF in time to submit to the November first meeting on the scope of the EIR. So it got under this item by mistake, and it should actually be one single document. So just to clarify that point, I really only have one item under this one, which is number four. |
| 02:38:43.30 | Michael Labate | Yeah. |
| 02:38:50.17 | Peter Van Meter | and we'll make mention of that. First of all, what I want to do is support the concept of an economic sustainability statement within your vision statement. I thought that definition that was put up on the screen here earlier was a very good one. The overall goals of Sausalito do incorporate the idea of economic growth and the viability within the city of Sausalito, but leaving that out, of the Marinship vision statement would later be argued as being done on purpose. Because even though you say it's under the blanket of the entire general plan, You know, there will be those who would come forth and say, oh, well, we don't want to have economic sustainability in the marineship because we didn't specifically include it. And of course, the Rinship is a major contributor to the economics of Sausalito that helps sustain the kind of low the high quality of life that we have for the residents, All right. you know, impact for the communities that we enjoy here. This means that no matter what you do in the marineship, Economic sustainability, in fact, needs to be the overriding concept It doesn't imply some particular outcome It is not. I'm not sure. synonym for development, as have been argued by some. In fact, even if you do a no change, vision for the Marinership. It still has to be sustainable. You've got infrastructure issues, sea level rise, all these factors that have been brought up already here tonight. And so no matter what you do, that has to be the overriding vision, in my opinion. Thank you. |
| 02:40:25.92 | Unknown | Thank you. Ed and Bruce Huff, Tricia Smith. |
| 02:40:32.35 | Ed Labar | Mm-hmm. Hello. Mayor, city council members, I appreciate being here. I'm Ed Labar. I'm here because I love Sausalito. I worked here until I closed my office just a couple years ago. I'm mainly here because I'm a member of the Sausalito, the Rotary Club of Sausalito. And I'm on the housing board for the Rotary Club of Sausalito that oversees our current two senior housing projects. Those projects are self-sustaining, even though rents are close to half of market rates. It allows for people who develop a sense of being part of this community to remain here, despite the fact that the cost of housing has skyrocketed in the last several years. And so they can still be a part of the community, and I dedicate my time and efforts to that. I attended the September 7th Um, GPAC, what's it called, Community Workshop. I'm not sure how many people were there. It seemed like about 300 or so, and they were divided up into groups where the body or 10 people per table, and we were supposed to prioritize our concerns for the development of the Marin ship, which we did. And spokespersons for each table then went up and presented their list of priorities that the group had identified. Almost every spokesperson, almost every group there had senior, affordable senior housing, pretty close to the top of their list, somewhere near the top of their list. And I think it should be there. And I think it's... What Rotary is offering here is a gift. to this city. Because as you've heard, some developers will want to build 100 units. So to get that, they'll put in 10 affordable units. We just want to do affordable units, senior housing. not the other 90 units. And we know where that can be done. You know where that can be done. I've heard it described here. a couple of different times tonight. And this is an opportunity. to get ahead of the 2023 deadline. It's an opportunity to take advantage of a gift, which we have for you. Thank you. |
| 02:42:46.50 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:42:49.48 | Unknown | you. |
| 02:42:54.81 | Unknown | Bruce, Tricia Smith, then Joyce Alexander. |
| 02:42:57.62 | Bruce Huff | Hi, I'm Bruce Huff. I am not a resident of Sausalito. However, I have very, very deep roots here. I lived here for 22 years. I've spent, for the last 35 years, 75% of my waking time is spent in Sausalito. I had a couple things. One is about the economic feasibility. And I agree, it depends on how you define it. However, I firmly believe that the city would be negligent in any commercial area without having an economic underpinning. to a plan that is meant to last 20 years. The second thing is dealing with, you know, I read all things about the bike paths, which I've been a big proponent of, and infrastructure as it deals with storm you know, sewer and sanitary sewer, I think there's an equally pressing problem with our circulation system and the lack of pedestrian improvements on the circulation system. We have in the entire southern part of the marineship, we've got substandard roads. We have no, virtually with the exception of Marina Plaza, have no pedestrian improvements whatsoever. And it's dangerous. And kids walk down there all the time. I wasn't really up here to make a... statement about housing, However, Besides being a member of GPAC, being a long time member of the business advisory committee in Sausalito. I'm a past president of Rotary and have sat on the housing board for 10 years. Sausalito Rotary housing produces far below market housing. with no market rate housing. So I would certainly consider that the rents, Ed said they're half, believe me, they're far less than half market rate today. Um, Beyond that, I'm going to cede my time to whoever wants to come up. |
| 02:45:17.23 | Unknown | Can I ask, |
| 02:45:17.98 | Bruce Huff | Here's a question. Bruce, are you... I also have a... You know, Marine ship shirt on, it's not new. I've been wearing it for two years. Bruce, is road |
| 02:45:26.97 | Unknown | are we very able to produce below market housing when paying market rates for land? |
| 02:45:35.51 | Bruce Huff | Yes. The market rate for land in certain areas of the marineship is way below what the market rate for land is in the residential areas to start with. The other thing Rotary does is it utilizes its ability in bond financing through city sponsorship, end in grants from the the marine community foundation and and you know other grants we have two senior housing projects in sausalito one of them is fully paid off and the other one The debt ratio is probably 25 or 30%, and that's how we do it. And one follow up question. |
| 02:46:14.98 | Unknown | Why did Rotary not buy the Bridgeway Commons property across the street from the Bridgeway corridor that's being proposed as a possible site for housing? |
| 02:46:24.02 | Bruce Huff | That is way above market value. And there's no way in the world, I ran the numbers on that myself. And we approach housing from residual land, i.e. where we take the rents and work our way down the land That land value would have been zero. had we attempted to buy it and we were in negotiations and they wouldn't even talk about it thank you Thank you. |
| 02:46:53.67 | Unknown | Trisha, Joyce, if she's here, Leslie Monahan. |
| 02:47:07.81 | Patricia Smith | Good evening everyone. Welcome Councilman Riley. My name is Patricia Smith and I live on Reed Lane. Today I stand before you requesting that you include senior housing and the replacement of office space for an assisted living memory care facility. in the Marineship Environmental Impact review. The city council and GPAC invited the community. for input. I attended the MarinShip Visioning Workshop held in September and spoke up about replacing current office space for an assisted living memory care facility. that would benefit the residents of Sausalito far more than the existing plethora of offices. For those who attended, you'll remember there was actually applause at the end of that. and senior housing and memory care was voted as one of the most important possibilities by the attendees. These results can actually be found on the GPAC website. So this is what confuses me. The city council and GPAC asked for input. We gave input, senior housing and memory care was a top vote getter. And yet, in a vote of five to two, the general plan advisory committee voted to not include senior housing memory care in the plan and did not include it in the upcoming environmental impact review. In my life, just about everything I do in this town has to do with seniors. I have listened to seniors who are struggling with their rental situation and worry about being priced out of the Sausalito market. I have cried with seniors as I've helped them to pack up to move away from the town they have called home. I have driven to visit seniors who have had to move out of the area to an assisted living apartment And I have provided rides to seniors to visit their loved ones in memory care units that are miles away. I believe it is short-sighted to not take this opportunity to do the environmental impact review in the marineship of both the replacement of the office space for lower impact assisted living facility, as well as a review the impact of senior housing. If it's not included. in the EIR at this juncture and the city council later decides to follow community input, then it will be a greater time delay and expense for all of us. We're going to call Joyce Alexander next and she actually left to drive several of our seniors home. They were here for several hours and needed to go back. I have two letters of some of those, the others will email them. But I also have some other letters from seniors who weren't able to make it tonight. Because it's dark, and it's a trip hazard to go out there at night. Thank you. |
| 02:49:46.93 | Unknown | To them. Thank you, Tricia, for those. Leslie Monahan, Douglas Storms, Richard Graff. |
| 02:49:59.48 | Leslie Monahan | Good evening, my name is Leslie Monahan. My husband and I are 27 year residents of Sausalito and recent retirees and I'm a member of Edgewater Seniors. We love living in our home in the Willows and hope to remain here for the next 27 plus years. However, we may find ourselves in a future position like many others where that may not be possible. We may require assisted living or memory care. I believe it is incumbent on all of us to do what we can to develop space for senior housing, assisted living, and memory care in Sausalito for those who need it so that they can remain in their familiar surroundings. near friends rather than being isolated away from their community support network. I'm proud to live here in Sausalito, a city that advocates for its older adults, and I encourage the City Council and General Plan Committee To include senior housing, assisted living, memory care, and future developments of the Marinship area. not only for our current growing senior population, but for all future generations. |
| 02:51:07.10 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Leslie. Doug, Richard, then John DeRay. |
| 02:51:13.23 | Doug Storms | Yeah. Doug Storms, I live at Waldo Point Harbor. I have a call coming in, I gotta take it. It takes place 10 years from now. Mike. Yeah, you're coming on over. Hey, congratulations on that bentu you bought. Ah. Yeah, there's a mooring out here. Yeah, we got a couple of moorings out here. And don't worry, we have plenty of public access, we have a deep water mooring for you. You can tie up Attorney Street, Galley Harbor, Turney Street, Napa Street. I'm sorry. Scunmaca Marina, Clipper has a place, Marinship Plaza. There's ten places, public access, no problem. You want to... Yeah, no, there's the movie theater opened up and there's also, let me see, you got the chili cook off too. What, you're going to pick up your son? No, your son's flying in. He's on leave. from the military and he's coming in, he's flying into SFO, he's going to take a bus over here to Marin Ship. Yeah, no problem, I can pick him up and bring him down. to Turney Street and you can come in and get them. Yeah, you're going out to the Fairlands, no worries. Yeah, hey, we'll get together too. I know it's your birthday, so we'll get together at one of the restaurants here. Yeah, this is just a great town. Don't worry about safety. You don't have to worry about that. This is the safest town. And there's great people here. I have a lot of friends. If you have any problems with your boat, marine services you need, You know, you got Billy the outboard motor dude and H&M and you got Tom List and the Sailmakers and You got everybody here, even the hollow places, it's a great maritime community. Um, What? Yeah, there is, you're right, they did build it. I was telling you about that, it's the Marine Service Center. It's on the first floor and on the second floor is the Maritime Hospitality. That's on the second floor. And yeah, remember where the old police station used to be? Well, when Marinship Plaza, or excuse me, when- Sausalito Marineways, now it's a new name, I forgot right now. When they rebuilt that and expanded it, they put in that Marine Service Center, Hospitality Center, and there's public access there. They have a nice little restaurant there. Kind of like the way the garage place, that French restaurant at Schoonmaker. Yeah. So this is, I'm looking forward to It's really great, it's going to be great catching up with you. Sausalito's a great place. You got passion here, people care about it, they love it, they invest their lives here. Yeah, well I got to go and do some diving or whatever. Take care, buddy. We'll see you. |
| 02:54:14.47 | Unknown | Thank you. I've got to have |
| 02:54:18.01 | Unknown | All right, Doug, that was pretty good. |
| 02:54:19.54 | Unknown | . |
| 02:54:22.87 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:54:22.90 | Richard Graff | Richard John DeRay, Sheila Keough. Hi, thank you. Well, that's a hard act to follow. |
| 02:54:22.97 | Unknown | I don't know. |
| 02:54:31.20 | Richard Graff | I'm not sure. thank you for letting me speak uh council members and the public um i'll keep this real short because i think much of this has already been said i have to say that i'm 100 percent in favor of uh encouraging and maintaining the marinship i've been In business in the Marinship since 1972, I've lived on the water front here at Galilee Harbor since the early 80s. And I've watched a lot of changes happen over time. When I moved into the Industrial Center building, which incidentally, it had a name, Industrial Center Building, for a purpose. There was industry in there. There was the plastic box manufacturers. There were printing presses. There was Sutter Sales and a number of other enterprises that were not cleaned. And there were a few artists. Well, that's changed a lot. I watched the whole surroundings change. offices to the east of us, offices to the west of us, to the south of us, to the north of us. everywhere and I think there's been plenty of that and I just can't support any further development in that direction and I think that the The tools that we have in the Marinership specific plan, give us the ability to enforce the the tenants of the plan and we should do that. I think the issue of separating the Marineship specific plan entirely from the general plan It is sort of a sensitive issue, I think, in some respects, if the whole entire plan remains intact and it's simply a matter of lines on a map, then it really doesn't matter. I think the important thing is that the Moran ship just be considered to be what it is and that it should be maintained. And I'll stop there and thank you for your time. |
| 02:57:11.96 | John DeRay | Hello, John DeRay from the General Plan Advisory Committee. The first thing I wanted to mention, sort of a side note, is, I know you folks know this, but maybe the audience doesn't know this, is regarding property tax. Sausalito gets 0.11% of the assessed value in property tax. $100 million development will give the city of Sausalito $110,000. That's before any tax avoidance happens. Okay. The next thing I want to talk about is assisted living, residential, senior housing. The average cost of assisted living centers in the Bay Area is about $6,900 a month, $82,000 a year. That's from retirement.com October of this year. In Marin, it's closer to $10,000. Medicare does not pay. My father had some severe dementia before he passed away. for several years, the last place I would put him or somewhere in the Marin Sea level rise. landfill subsidence, contaminated toxic soil including PCBs, industrial and maritime noise, earthquake liquefaction, and finally, We don't talk about tsunamis enough. In 2013 Japan earthquake, 28,000 people died, mostly seniors. The earthquake epicenter was on a fault line 80 miles off the coast. The San Andreas Fault is about 10 miles off the Golden Gate Bridge. Here's an excerpt from an article I read. Some people hid under the table, he remembers. Those suffering to mention couldn't understand what was happening. They just squatted down or covered their heads with cushions. Of the 67 seniors in the facility, 13 managed to escape. The rest were killed by the tsunami. When you hear the characterization about marineship as a dumping ground for senior, this is why. We are supposed to protect the most vulnerable among us, not put them at risk. Who's going to rescue 250 seniors from the Moran ship? What do the agency say? BCDC put out a document in 2014 called Adapting to Rising Tides that recommends no more housing be built in coastal zones because of sea level rise, also in 2014. 14, Urban Land Institute put out a document, here's a quote, a new approach to coastal planning and community development is needed. Rather than build permanent structures, temporary structures may be more appropriate. In some places, floating structures are more appropriate. structures that can be disassembled and are worthy of. Consideration, residential neighborhoods are much more difficult to move or convert than industrials. AREAS. For senior housing, there's a solution that we can all agree on, and that's the corporate yard on Nevada Street turning that into Rotary Senior Housing. The next thing I want to talk about quickly is the segmentation of the marineship into north-south center. It's totally artificial construct. A five minute examination of the marineship specific plan reveals that it was done to organize the document. not the land. It was done based on traffic flow, north, south, central, all have always had a homogeneous mix of uses in the industrial and water zone. Segmenting to piecemeal for development will weaken the remunerative community. Thank you. |
| 03:00:22.07 | Unknown | Sheila Kehoe, Sonya Hammonds, Riley Hurd. |
| 03:00:27.10 | Sheila Keough | Good evening, I'm Sheila Keough, a Sausalito resident for 31 plus years. And I'm here to show support for the inclusion of senior housing with assisted living memory care, to be kept in the plans for the future of the marine ship. During the community visioning workshop in June, many groups had senior housing in their proposals. And there's a family who owns property in the Marin ship and they have a desire to convert their property into a memory care facility for Sausalito seniors. This would be revenue producing and contribute tax dollars to the city. They have a vision to create a beautiful environment with green areas and walkways. Why would any group not want to embrace this offer? Having to travel out of town to visit your loved one in an assisted living facility can be extremely stressful. I've been there. It is difficult to get away from your work site. You get on the road, you end up in commute traffic. If there's an accident, there's a further delay. You arrive at the facility and your family member is in an agitated state because they've been waiting all day for you. It's a stress on the whole family, not just the member in the facility. And so having a facility here would be a wonderful asset. Their friends could drop by and maybe you could contribute some of your extra time to volunteering in the city. Everyone is in agreement that the marine related businesses should be prominent in the area, but the proposals for senior housing seem to have been pushed aside. We are in awe of the hard work put in by Trisha Smith, Sibyl Boutillier, the founding members of Sausalito Village, and their army of volunteers. And this has resulted in Sausalito being officially certified by the World Health Organization as an age friendly city. Well, you can boost their work for recertification and recognize their efforts in helping our seniors to age in place by keeping the offer of a memory care facility in the plans for the future of the marineship. Please support the interests of a large segment of our local population. Keep senior housing in the plans for the marineship. Thank you. |
| 03:02:57.57 | Unknown | Thank you. Sonya Hammond. |
| 03:03:03.56 | Sonya Hammonds | Thank you everyone. My name is Sonya Hammonds and my family has been on the waterfront since the 1960s. I grew up on a houseboat in Sausalito, I went to Sausalito Public Schools 30 years ago when there were 2,000 students, and 20 years ago when there were 250 students. I've also worked in environmental analysis and urban planning for 15 years, including at US Congress and at the United Nations, where I was on one of the committees to develop the sustainable development goals. So I know very well that I am have a lot of my heart based here in Sausalito. And that economic sustainability can mean and be manipulated to mean just about anything. After living around the world, I came back to Sausalito, where I live on a boat in the Marin ship. and have an art studio also in the Marin Ship. And it's a sweet story. But it took me 10 years to be able to come back. where I was looking that whole time. until I got a very unique opportunity and a rare opportunity to be able to live at Galilee Harbor. Finding an art studio was also not easy. I called around and called around and there was office space aplenty. But finding a place that would be happy to have the space used for art and light industry was very hard. I eventually found a place, and it's much more expensive per square foot than the offices. Um, I'll say that I previously commuted from Oakland to work at a canvas shop here in Sausalito. I commuted from Oakland with for workers at Spalding Marine Center, it was not economically sustainable for us to be able to work. in the Miranda ship. and commute. Two hours each way. I would like to encourage the Council to be more specific in our language. Welcoming and enhancing is pretty vague. I'd like just to be a little more clear about whether we're going to use the planning tools that we have at our disposal, to incentivize and prioritize the artistic and maritime thriving industries that a huge amount of the community has expressed. So I'd really encourage us to be more specific than vague words and going into action and implementation before, for example, scrapping the partnership specifically. I'd also like to talk about Housing. If we talk about affordable housing, In my mind, that means housing. not real estate speculation. And one option and opportunity for that is cooperatives, which are built for the purpose of housing and managed by those who live in them, rather than developed by real estate developers who are seeking exclusively to gain a profit. There are examples of maritime and art communities here. Senior in Berkeley. |
| 03:06:18.07 | Unknown | Riley Hurd, Ellis Merrill, and then Jan Jansen. Johnson. Jan Johnson. |
| 03:06:23.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:23.63 | Riley Hurd | Thank you. |
| 03:06:23.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:06:24.48 | Riley Hurd | Good evening. My name's Riley Hurd. I'm a local attorney and I specialize in land use and zoning law. I'm here to speak in support of leaving just the concept of senior housing in the marineship on the table. The marineship is a valued and important part of this city. I've watched this process for years and any change is a very big deal. But senior housing addresses a serious need, you've heard a lot about it tonight. And if it's done right, I think it can complement the marinship. |
| 03:06:48.79 | Louis Briones | Thank you. |
| 03:06:56.91 | Riley Hurd | There are a number of current legal non-conforming uses in the marinship that may better serve the area as something like senior housing, as opposed to staying what have been disallowed uses for decades. So there's an opportunity here. And the question I thought I would have if I was you is, how can you have senior housing as an option, but be one that you control? Um, And the answer is you make it a conditionally permitted use. And this gives you ultimate control, because in the future, someone would need to come in and get a CUP if they ever wanted to do this. And that means you get to do a site-specific test of whether it fits or it doesn't, and you're the arbiter of that. I was concerned in reading the GPAC memo that perhaps their vote on this was due to a mistaken legal premise about mandating senior housing as opposed to conditionally allowing it. I carefully reviewed the city attorney's opinion, and I agree with it. You cannot make a property owner do city housing. You cannot make a property owner do any particular use. But legally, you could have senior housing be a conditionally permitted use in the marineship. Not a mandate. It's just something that could be requested and come before you. So this gives you to consider at the right site, at the right time, the concept of senior housing. And I think it's worth noting that every property in the Marin ship is not polluted or next to an industrial use. In fact, a number of people already live in the Marin ship. So these fear mongering, I wonder what about those folks that are already there about these catastrophes and things. But I think that the preservation of the spirit of the Marin ship and some limited senior housing are not mutually exclusive of one another. I was born and raised here. We're looking around for my mom right now. It's been almost impossible to find a place to go. And we hear about the fabric of this community. Well, the fabric is made up of a lot of different folks. It includes working waterfront, and it includes seniors. And if they have to move out, the marineship changes as well. So we ask that you keep it on the table, at least for consideration, Thank you very much. |
| 03:09:18.48 | Unknown | May I ask? Riley, a question? Riley, what about how will a conditionally permitted use approach survive state laws eroding local control and eroding the ability for city decision makers to say no to housing applications? |
| 03:09:37.16 | Riley Hurd | Yeah, it's a great question. And the concept of RENA came up earlier. And I'll tell you, the jig is up on RENA. The whole idea of you just having to identify a site and then approve nothing, which is the pattern throughout the entire county, is going to come to an end. And you're going to find yourself in a production-based scenario with forced unit production. And the question is, do you want it rammed down your throats into some part of town like we've seen in other communities? Or do you want to have a control over that? And that's why, to me, when I sat and thought about this and thought about the exact question that you just asked is, conditional use permit. It's not permitted as a matter of right, when it is, that's how you get the forced scenarios and things like that. You keep it conditionally permitted and that's the way to address that. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you, Riley. |
| 03:10:39.42 | Unknown | Alice, then Jan. And then Julius, Julius still here? |
| 03:10:46.76 | Alice Merrill | Hello, Alice Merrill, I live at Pelican Harbor. I'm reading from Sandra's and I'll put in my little bits and pieces here also. Um. The people who have bought sites 1 and 3 Harbor Drive. is this Seagate Properties. In San Rafael, as she was saying, They've already overstepped and sort of worked around and And said, we'll do this, but have really done that. And to the point that they said if they didn't have enough parking spaces, well maybe we'll just look around some additional land and build another parking structure. They're working for themselves completely. Evidently, they've already started demolition remodeling at number three, which I don't know what that is, but maybe you guys do. So we don't want the Marin ship turned into a redevelopment project. Um, It just... Sub areas, I don't know about those, but I heard somebody talking about them, I agreed, so that's fine. I'm sorry. I... Really, the idea of the senior housing, I love that idea. I love that idea. I don't think it's smart. because of what John said. DeRay said, it isn't smart. So we have the corporation yard, it's a big area. It could have that kind of a building up. But let's not put it in a place where, In no time at all, it's going to be a big problem, and that's a hard place for people to live. It's dark. It's quiet. It's no... Whatever seniors are around, you have to have a place for them to go to buy a soda. You have to have place, and there's nothing down there. So then that means, oh, then there has to be something down there. So then that turns into another whole thing. So the waterfront path, Great idea, there's plenty of paths all over the place that is not the place for a specific waterfront path. Just there, you can walk around it. You can walk through it if you wanted, you know, If you want the look, if you want the feel, I love it. But It isn't the place to develop for everybody in the world to be walking through. It's beautiful areas. to be walking through. Doesn't have to be that. That's not what it is. Um, So the... The toxic What do I have? No time at all. OK, so the toxic, there's a lot of toxicity down there. Anything that's specific that's put in, it's going to have to be It's looked at. mistake. And then there's the cultural heritage of the Marinship, From my point of view, it has been there for so long, it's a wonderful place. Let's not. Never. |
| 03:13:51.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:13:51.36 | Alice Merrill | you |
| 03:13:51.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:13:51.55 | Alice Merrill | I don't know what, gentrified. |
| 03:13:54.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:13:59.93 | Jan Johnson | hard act to follow. Jan Johnson |
| 03:14:00.68 | Unknown | Jan Johnson, Julius Galasco, then Lauren Derrimer. |
| 03:14:04.42 | Jan Johnson | I'm sure you've been too busy to look at today's Washington Post, but there's an article you should go home and look at. It's on the decline of Japanese fisheries because the Arctic in that area has already warmed three degrees. The ice production between Japan and the east coast of Russia is the largest production of sea ice in the world. It pulls the salt out, which then sinks. Which then forces the currents into the northern Pacific and they're predicting that the entire northern Pacific fisheries, and sea life is going to decline precipitously. Japan salmon is now in Russia. It's decreased 70%. Lobsters are now in Nova Scotia and they're heading north. Sea level wise is gonna be worse than we think. It's gonna be here faster than we think. if this pertains to the Marin ship, because I can't see anywhere that anyone has said that whatever is done must be carbon neutral. If we want to fight this, then we have to pay for it ourselves and fight it now. So both for the Marin ship and GPAC, I think any development of any kind has got to be carbon neutral or we're going to be complicit in the end of our civilization. The other thing is if you put a lot of housing in that area, Wayne Bonet was right, you're not going to be able to evacuate. We've got two ways in and out of town. I'm treated. I shouldn't say that. I unfortunately met many people in 2017 that escaped their houses with their pajamas and maybe their wallet and maybe their purse, but maybe not. They ran for their lives in their bare feet. If Fosilido catches fire, God forbid, the hill people are not going to be able to get out of the hills to Bridgeway and Second Street because they're going to be jammed. So whatever is done in Marinship, you've got to consider evacuation for the entire population. um, And with respect to toxicity, I think you've got a mini hunter's point. You poke it at your own peril. It's gonna be perilous to us with the toxins that are there. and to the bay. It's whatever toxins World War II produced, they're in the bottom of the marine ship. sealed off in tin cans that are melting away as we speak. Sorry. On that happy note, have a good evening, and I don't envy your job. |
| 03:16:50.47 | Julius Glasgow | Hello, my name is Julius Glasgow and I have lived on the coast, well on the bay, my entire life and I'm 13 years old and Well, I've always envisioned myself staying here and living here. And I live in Galilee Harbor. and I know many of the artists that have lived here most of their lives. I really like this kind of environment that we have with artists and painters and stuff and woodworkers and everything. And I really want to preserve that because when I look into my future, I personally see myself living in the Bay and there's still being a lot of artists and woodworkers here. And so I don't know, I just kind of wanted to say that. And also, a lot of people are saying that they want to put like, what's it called, tourist attractions and stuff along here. And I think that a lot of the artists and woodworkers would also make good tourist attractions. So thank you, that's kind of all I wanted to say. |
| 03:17:56.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:18:07.91 | Unknown | Thank you, Julius. Takes me a while to get to that point because clapping takes forever. Lauren, Pat Zook, Janelle Kellman. |
| 03:18:16.38 | Lauren DeRemer | Hello council, my name is Lauren DeRemer. I grew up here in Sausalito. My parents still have a home up the hill. I'm a resident of Galilee Harbor Pelican Yacht Harbor, I have worked in six businesses in town. I'm currently a professional mariner and kayaking guide. And I also rent property in Marinship. I'm not sure. I've, First, I want to start off by asking and requesting that if there is another workshop that it not be in September, October, I was working. Um, 12 hour days, seven days a week, as was many of the people that work on the waterfront. So I know a lot of people were really wanting to go to that. I want to start off by saying that before an economic sustainability statement is drafted, I feel we really need an economic impact assessment of our current marine trade. Including local businesses, historical significance, art community, tourism, public access, and rental property in Marinship. I'm not sure. I brought to the meeting today the economic impact Assessment of Jefferson County Marine Trades, which is up in Port Townsend. I feel it's a staple, a perfect example of what should happen in marinship. Um, It is conducted by Martin Associates, which is an internationally recognized leading economic transportation consulting firm. was retained by the Port Towns and Marine Trade Association to measure the local and regional economic impacts. supported by a Marine trades activity in Jefferson County. And this study employs methodology and definitions that have been used by Martin Associates to measure their assessments in maritime activity at more than 500 ports in the United States. And so I think that this is definitely something that Sausalito needs. Just to give you an idea, their county has approximately 30,000 population. compared to 260,000 in Marin County. And in their county, the Maritime Trades employs 2,243 jobs are supported by marine trades activity. 336.7 million of total economic value supported in the region. And 135.4 million total personal income and local consumption. and then 12.6 million state and local taxes attributed. Um, Senior housing makes no sense to me. I'm sorry, I don't feel like it's a good place in friendship. It's extremely exposed to the weather, I've personally care take for handicap in that area. It's still unclear to me why We're talking about zoning and development when the discussion should be about maintaining and protecting marine ship as it was intended. I have seen little to no financial investment from the current property owners over the last ten years. So if you want to talk about tourists eating ice cream on pathways, give them something to see and experience so they don't keep walking and find themselves in Mill Valley. |
| 03:21:23.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:21:24.05 | Lauren DeRemer | Thank you. |
| 03:21:30.90 | Pat Zook | Pat Zuck, first of all I'd like to endorse the vision statement that you've been transmitting. |
| 03:21:35.98 | Unknown | Hey, somebody addressed a vision statement. Thank you. First one. |
| 03:21:40.13 | Pat Zook | THE FAMILY. Do I get a prize? I get an extra three seconds, I suppose. Um, I approve of that statement, and I also wholeheartedly approve of the discussion that Susan Cleveland Knowles at least started off on the definition of economic sustainability. I agree with the definition, and I wholeheartedly endorse it, and I think it is a global definition that applies to the whole city. It's a mistake. to apply that kind of definition to an individual area or if you want to apply it to an individual area, it should be applied to each area. I'm not sure. I oppose that. When we discussed it at GPAC, We already have an economic statement as part of the general goals of the Marineship, I think that statement should be revised to reflect the definition that that you, Ms. Knowles elicited during the earlier part of the meeting. Economic sustainability is not measurable, as has been said before. It's kind of like the concept of housing affordability before affordability became linked to an identifiable level of income. It's somewhat like pornography. It is something that the eye of the beholder, you defines. Thank you. One laugh. I'm going to take it back. |
| 03:23:06.73 | Unknown | I'm taking back your three seconds. |
| 03:23:09.28 | Pat Zook | Okay. It is, as other people have suggested, subject to manipulation. And I reference specifically the activity surrounding the new rules surrounding affordable housing incentives and the uses of sustainability to justify additional units. The proposed language at GPAC to which I objected, was specifically that the marine ship should be, quote, supported by a viable economic sustainability strategy, close quote. And that's an even more inappropriate vision. Strategy for whom, over what period of time, over which business cycles? To what end? And for whose benefit? Finally, the general plan happens to have a whole separate economic element. In addition to having the sustainability goal as a general goal, sustainability as it applies to the different economic elements in town should be addressed in the economic element. not overemphasized in any one area. Um, I have 23 seconds or 26 if I have my, now it's 20. 19, okay, I'll finish reading the statement from John DeRay. He said last to mention is the Matthew Turner Trollship built in Sausalito. and the components of the 10,000 year clock. We build things here, some things we export, If it was not for the marinship specific plan, if you had retired it, The Matthew Turner would not have happened, and it will not happen, if we don't preserve the Marineship. Thank you. |
| 03:24:50.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:24:58.83 | Unknown | Janelle, Steven Woodside, Adam Cravazzi. |
| 03:25:02.08 | Janelle Kellman | Yeah. Good evening, thank you, Mayor Burns, Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles, Council Members. Appreciate your patience and diligence on this. Janelle Kelman, I'm a member of the Planning Commission, I'm the Vice Chair. I'm also on the GPAC, spent the last two and a half years really digging into these items. I think why we're struggling here tonight is because what we're looking at is not a vision. It feels like a roadmap for development. And the reason that we're so resistant at the GPAC level to this definition of economic sustainability that we've been hearing at the GPAG level is because it continues to feel like a roadmap for development. Now, Vice Mayor of Cleveland Knowles actually put out a really healthy definition that I'd love to hear you guys talk about more and really dig into. So what I'm going to try to do is to daylight a couple of issues that we are aware of within the community. So you want to talk about economic sustainability. At the beginning of this meeting, Mayor Burns, you asked, how can we balance maritime and artists with housing? You didn't mention industrial. Here are some stats for you. 55% of the square footage in the Marin ship, which is zoned industrial, is currently office space. 20% of that is vacant. Now what if we had policies and programs that actually encouraged industrial use and we had 100% occupancy of industrial uses? Do the math quickly in your head. I'm telling you, at a two to one, we're probably going to have more tax base, more revenue, and a healthier community. Industrial, maritime, and artists have to be emphasized in any economic sustainability definition and plan. And thus far at the GPAC, it hasn't been. So I urge you to continue along the lines of Vice Mayor Cleveland Knowles has actually introduced this evening. I won't go too far into the housing and I certainly won't engage on the sub areas, only to say I was referencing CEQA piecemealing, which basically says that you cannot piecemeal a larger zone if you're so doing your intention is to actually create some type of development in subdividing that zone. Now what do we need here? We need a vision that's forward thinking, right? We need something to honor Sausalito's heritage, something that shows that we could be leaders. How on earth can we put housing in an area when we don't know the full extent of contamination? We have a machine shop EIR that shows us PCB contaminants from 2005. The city has no other records, but the whole area was a marine industrial usage until we understand the level of that. Furthermore, the general plan has to be internally consistent, right? And we have disaster preparedness components. How can you put housing in an area where we also have subsidence, liquefaction, and sea level rise? That by its nature is internally inconsistent with the other elements in the hazardous resources context of the general plan and the existing conditions report. So what we need is a vision that is forward thinking, that looks at the industrial uses, the maritime uses, the artist community and says, how can we enhance those uses, promote them? How can we look at the fact that over the last ten years, over a dozen patents have come out of the marineship in light industrial prototyping, become the leader in industry that addresses sea level rise, climate change, subsidence, liquefaction. Thank you. |
| 03:28:24.17 | Steven Woodside | Hi, Mayor Burns, and may it please counsel, my name is Steven Woodside. I live 331 feet above sea level. I work at sea level. My grandparents met 100 years ago this year on Richardson Bay. I care about the waterfront. I think the vision statement is excellent. I would throw in it, however, some limited reference to housing so that as you analyze this going forward, you can be clear as to what, if any, housing would be appropriate there. I would throw live-work housing in. Where is the crew and the workers who are working on Matthew Turner going to be? I would not exclude office space that supports the maritime industry, supports the innovation and such. I don't think you should categorically rule out things that may contribute to sustaining, both economically and otherwise the Marinship plan, which I think has served this community well in the past. And I wouldn't modify it all that much going forward. That's it. Thank you. |
| 03:29:31.79 | Unknown | Is Adam still here? Okay. Is there anybody else? Some out of green cards, if you can believe me. Is there anybody else that would like to speak on 6A? |
| 03:29:41.32 | Michael Labate | Thank you. On 6A. of the podiums. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. |
| 03:29:44.21 | Unknown | Oh, yeah, good. |
| 03:29:44.23 | Michael Labate | Oh, yeah. |
| 03:29:47.11 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:29:58.99 | Unknown | Go ahead. Thank you. |
| 03:30:00.53 | Michael Labate | My name is Michael Labate. |
| 03:30:01.89 | Unknown | Thank you. Oh, sorry. |
| 03:30:02.97 | Michael Labate | when I said that. My name is Michael Labate. I live on a houseboat in Sausalito. I've considered Sausalito my home for the past 41 years. But for the past 29 years, I don't get to vote in what happens in Sausalito because I am on a House vote. I'm one of 400. homeowners. that have the same circumstance, roughly 1,000 people, we would guess, on all the houseboats. We don't get to say what happens, but we are largely impacted by it. Most of the floating homes are on concrete barges, maybe 80%. Most every one of them was built in the Marin ship. all of our service industry is in the Marin ship. a lion's share of it anyway. We live and die by what happens here. AND WE BEG YOU TO BE CAREFUL on what changes you might put in place that affects how the MarinShip is a working community. If you want to put housing in, great. Do lift workspace. Do senior housing. Do things that work. for what the community really needs. I'm part of your community. I just don't get to say what happens. Thank you very much. Thank you. |
| 03:31:21.69 | Unknown | Seeing no other cards, I will close public comment. And bring it up here for comment. Who would like to start? |
| 03:31:34.25 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Can I just make a suggestion that perhaps instead of each of us talking about all of the issues that we go one by one through the- |
| 03:31:39.80 | Unknown | Okay. What? |
| 03:31:42.70 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Six issues, unless people want to make some general comments for us. |
| 03:31:43.21 | Unknown | Let's go to the. Do we want to start with this first and then go through the six items or do you want to start with the six and then get to this? Because ultimately we need to talk about this. |
| 03:31:53.27 | Unknown | I don't have big issues with this, but. I'm in favor of this. |
| 03:31:57.91 | Unknown | I agree, I don't think anyone's raised any issues with the current statement, it's what's not in it that the issue is about. |
| 03:32:04.94 | Unknown | So we have consensus that this is a good starting. point for our vision. |
| 03:32:10.73 | Ray Withy | Absolutely. I agree with Council Member Riley. Nobody's arguing this. This is about what is missing. |
| 03:32:17.82 | Unknown | Great. So let's get to the six items if we can pull those up. |
| 03:32:27.29 | Unknown | I'm trying to get mine up as well. |
| 03:32:31.71 | Unknown | So we did number one. Well, yeah. Good progress. |
| 03:32:38.48 | Unknown | Good progress. All right. |
| 03:32:39.30 | Unknown | you |
| 03:32:42.53 | Ray Withy | Could I make a comment on this? It's very interesting. I mean, to me, everything should be economically sustainable, everything. |
| 03:32:51.00 | Unknown | I think so. |
| 03:32:51.54 | Ray Withy | Everything we do in our personal lives, everything we do in the city, every single thing we do in our work lives, our whole existence has to be economically sustainable. And so I've been scratching my head as to what the controversy is, to be honest. But having lived through GPAC and having lived through understanding the history, I realize that fundamentally trust is completely broken down. Actually, it was never established at the GPAC level because |
| 03:32:51.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:33:23.77 | Ray Withy | You know, several meetings ago, one of the GPAC members who were arguing against sustainability gave it away. No, you don't really mean that. It's a code word for development. It's a code word for, what is it, highest and best use? What do you realtors use? Highest and best use? And so I started going back and listening to all the discussion items, not the presentations, the discussion items for two years worth. of GPAC units. And I determined that the only person who ever used The concept of highest and best use were two members of GPAC who are arguing against economic sustainability. Absolutely nobody else ever used the term. |
| 03:34:08.77 | Unknown | TODAY. |
| 03:34:11.83 | Ray Withy | And so quite frankly, we're at the stage where if I were to turn around to you and said, and read that vision out, but added at the end, But. It doesn't need to be economically sustainable. You'd laugh at me. You'd think it was ridiculous. that I was proposing to do something that can't work. And so we've got to determine the difference between a dream, and a vision that can actually have a chance of being implemented. I want our shipyards, I want our working waterfront, I want our fabricators, I want all of the marine services, I want all of that. How do you make it happen? Because status quo means degradation. So I've come to the conclusion on economic sustainability that it's just a code word for people who want to fight the old political battles of 25 years ago. And for some of the people who've only been in town for 15 years, newbies like me, and some of the younger people in town, they don't have a clue what you guys are talking about. |
| 03:35:33.37 | Unknown | Can we look at the definition of economic sustainability? |
| 03:35:35.39 | Ray Withy | I don't want to talk about it. |
| 03:35:36.81 | Unknown | that was put up by staff. |
| 03:35:42.60 | Unknown | And Ray, can you speak to why you believe it belongs in the U. |
| 03:35:47.24 | Ray Withy | I agree with Pat Zook actually, it belongs everywhere. |
| 03:35:50.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:50.50 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:35:50.55 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I was going to say that. It belongs everywhere. I think we put it on each one. Not in one place. I mean, are you saying Caledonia Street should not be economically viable? |
| 03:35:51.32 | Unknown | that. |
| 03:35:53.18 | Unknown | Not in one place. |
| 03:35:58.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:35:58.46 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:35:58.87 | Ray Withy | Are you saying downtown should not be economically viable? |
| 03:36:02.09 | Unknown | And are you, is this definition acceptable to you? |
| 03:36:02.83 | Ray Withy | You know? I think it's a good start and I think we can work it. Okay. I mean, I think it's a very good start. |
| 03:36:07.42 | Unknown | I think so too. Thank you. |
| 03:36:10.27 | Unknown | Agreed. May I just pile on to what Council Member Withey said? I don't have the two and a half year history of sitting through all these GPAC meetings. I watched two on video. We're ramrodding them through. But I watched two on video and I attended a business advisory committee meeting. And on economic sustainability, it's exactly what you said. There is not a clear definition and the different sides have different understandings. I think we need to define it. When I look at the city and not just the marineship, my greatest concerns are the climate change issues we're going to address in the next 20 to 30 years. And we do not have a plan to address them, and we can't have our head in the landfill. We need to have a plan, and when I think of economic sustainability, it's what's our plan? as a community to address these challenges that are coming. So I do not interpret economic sustainability as what's the best economic return on any piece of land. It is what's our plan to achieve our long term goals. Part of our city needs to be underpinned with a plan. |
| 03:37:23.58 | Unknown | And is this acceptable to you? This definition. |
| 03:37:27.63 | Unknown | This is a A good start. Very polite definition, I'd just say, That marineship vision at the end should say, and the objectives of this vision should have a financial plan to support them. |
| 03:37:42.21 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:37:42.48 | Unknown | Right? That's really what it is, is we have a vision that needs a financial plan that supports that vision. |
| 03:37:49.23 | Unknown | Well, I agree with you, and I know where you're headed, Joan, so I'm just wondering, I think we need that objective approach. But I don't think we have to have measurables in a vision or a general plan. |
| 03:37:57.58 | Unknown | I hear you. I hear you. I'm okay with this definition. |
| 03:38:02.90 | Unknown | When I listen to Peter, his concern that the absence of this could be argued down the road that It's not considered. |
| 03:38:11.32 | Unknown | So that's why it should be in every element. |
| 03:38:12.26 | Unknown | In every element of the general plan. |
| 03:38:14.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:38:15.77 | Unknown | Do we agree on that? |
| 03:38:17.68 | Unknown | Yes, so do we want to? So we're going to use the step... We're not drafting. We're just giving direction. Okay. |
| 03:38:23.79 | Unknown | Yes, but let's be very clear so it doesn't come up later that we didn't say that, right? Because that's exactly what has come from here. We all five just said that we think that economic sustainability should be included in every part of this. |
| 03:38:36.82 | Unknown | For every part of town. |
| 03:38:37.44 | Unknown | I'm not going to be public. Yep, every week. |
| 03:38:39.65 | Unknown | And underpinning of every. It's been a long time. region of town. |
| 03:38:43.03 | Unknown | The areas that we're looking at. |
| 03:38:44.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:38:44.39 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, but the purpose of the economic plan or the sustainable plan or the financial plan as you described it is to achieve the vision that we were looking at it is not to Right. It's to incentivize the uses that we've prioritized in the vision. |
| 03:39:01.42 | Unknown | Over back. |
| 03:39:02.01 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | So I think somebody used that word incentivize, that our economic strategy should incentivize retaining the uses that we have prioritizing the vision. So to that extent, I think. |
| 03:39:11.80 | Unknown | are prioritizing. |
| 03:39:17.18 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | However we say that. is Sounds good to me. |
| 03:39:23.10 | Unknown | Great, so we're done with number one of number two. Can you go back to that screen? |
| 03:39:30.85 | Unknown | Okay, sub areas. |
| 03:39:34.92 | Unknown | So sub areas. |
| 03:39:40.20 | Unknown | I like sub areas, I don't like the sub areas that we had on there. I don't like north, south and central. sub areas are more closely related to the zoning. of basically east-west. |
| 03:39:51.27 | Unknown | like the waterfront versus the light industrial. |
| 03:39:54.22 | Unknown | Correct. Because that is where we identify the most hazards based on the hazards information that we received today, the four page. Most of the known hazards are in that one zone. The conflict of office and industrial falls into more of one zone. The waterfront that I, again, I have not heard anybody At least on this diet, in conflict. in contrast to a working waterfront. I really like that staying in one area and not split up into three north, south and east. I think it's equally important across the entire Spectrum. |
| 03:40:34.57 | Unknown | So it's already defined in that manner in the zoning map that's in the marineship plan, so I don't think we need to do anything more about it. |
| 03:40:42.96 | Unknown | It isn't as far as two separate areas. |
| 03:40:45.12 | Unknown | Well, the waterfront is defined as a separate area from the light industrial. which is a separate area. That's already clearly delineated on the zoning map for the marine ships. |
| 03:40:56.41 | Unknown | Well that's what I'm saying, they're zoned differently, they're not two different planning areas. |
| 03:41:01.89 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:41:02.14 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | you |
| 03:41:02.19 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:03.06 | Unknown | OK. Or sub areas? |
| 03:41:04.54 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | All right. Yeah. I agree that the area is defined close to the water and then backing up like that. seems appropriate. It's really hard to discuss this in a vacuum without getting to the specifics. So, I mean, I don't think we should preclude. further areas if that ends up being something that makes sense but we're not the planners here and it's not that so i i think i agree i mean i wouldn't mandate that we have three zones but if later on it ends up making sense Let's look at that proposal. But for now, I agree that the current zoning is a better tool. |
| 03:41:50.73 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:41:50.78 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 03:41:51.03 | Unknown | It's a better delineation. |
| 03:41:51.28 | Ray Withy | Thank you. Yeah. I thoroughly disagree with that. I certainly believe we need to keep the industrial and water front. Don't get me wrong on that. But considering that the gate five and the north end of the Marin ship is going to be completely inundated a decade before the rest of the Marin ship, we need to take note of. The fact that we will find when we redo our geo zone analysis, and this is up for the next topic, that we will find that a significant amount of revenue is generated in the north end of town, and that revenue is under tremendous risk. Okay? And you just want to bury your heads in the sand and ignore it. |
| 03:42:42.91 | Unknown | I don't think that's what we just said. I don't think not delineating three separate sub areas in the marineship is burying our head in the sand and ignoring the challenges that we're facing throughout the marineship and throughout Zossolito. |
| 03:42:43.87 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I don't know. |
| 03:42:54.80 | Unknown | So I agree with the vice mayor. We certainly don't have to define them now if as we draft the general plan, it appears appropriate to better delineate areas within Sausalito, we can take that up as it comes with a recommendation from the M group. But for now, I don't see a. a purpose well served by this artificial delineation of sub areas in the marineship. |
| 03:43:25.55 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Ray, I think you raise a good point. I mean, if we want to prioritize where financial resources to address subsidence and sea level rise. might go in terms of objectives, not our general plan. |
| 03:43:34.64 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:34.66 | Patricia Smith | Yeah. |
| 03:43:35.00 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:43:38.29 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | policies but in implementation strategies or kind of further down |
| 03:43:41.38 | Unknown | work. |
| 03:43:43.42 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | into the more specifics of any plan, I think that does make. potentially quite a bit of sense. So that's a great example of what I was saying that yes. |
| 03:43:52.23 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:43:52.58 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | it may become an appropriate planning. |
| 03:43:52.63 | Unknown | down the road. |
| 03:43:53.02 | Unknown | may become. |
| 03:43:53.71 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 03:43:54.50 | Unknown | And appropriate planning tool. |
| 03:43:56.26 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | um, |
| 03:43:56.70 | Unknown | Yeah, that's less artificially zoning. I mean artificially setting areas, that is very specific. |
| 03:43:56.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:43:56.82 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:44:02.10 | Unknown | The other thing to keep in mind is, |
| 03:44:02.33 | Unknown | The other thing to |
| 03:44:04.60 | Unknown | Climate change, sea level rise, subsidence, and their solutions are not Sausalito issues. They are regional and state issues. And so it's not going to be Sausalito that's enunciating the plan and funding the plan to address those issues. This is going to be handled on a regional level. |
| 03:44:22.15 | Unknown | I agree with that except we're going to find that this doesn't just go to bed on Tuesday and Wednesday morning sea level rise occurred. There's going to be slow events that impact us that the state and the federal level won't. |
| 03:44:29.62 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:44:29.98 | Unknown | be |
| 03:44:34.53 | Unknown | The first one that floods an electrical outlet and zaps out all of Sausalito will be one. The next one, some contaminants go into the bay will be two. All that will happen long before the state or anybody does something. The preparation we have to be ready for, not the solution that's going to come. |
| 03:44:50.19 | Unknown | And may I jump on that, Mayor? Council Member Cox, I do believe that while there will be other organizations that will help, we might as well have a plan that doesn't make it worse. Absolutely. And that's what we should be incorporating into the plan is, Things that we build. that will be ready or |
| 03:45:10.04 | Unknown | Don't worsen our situation. Like zero carbon, as one speaker suggested, things of that nature. And we're having those discussions at the GPAC. |
| 03:45:20.42 | Unknown | And just on the areas, I find it a bit confusing the difference between areas and then what we're zoning. Because in effect, zones are areas. What I do find attractive about, not north, south, and central, but different areas is optionality in the future. So the optionality for long bridgeway, we'd eventually need higher density housing to have that ability to consider that without impacting the rest of the membership, saying we're introducing housing in the rest of the membership where we want industrial. So I do like the optionality, I just wouldn't know how I'd set those zones. |
| 03:45:53.98 | Unknown | I agree with the Vice Mayor, I think it's an implementation approach, not a visioning |
| 03:46:00.53 | Unknown | How are the consultants and staff hearing that? |
| 03:46:07.23 | Jeff Bradley | Consultants agree that generally that type of discussion would occur when we're more into the weeds on trying to distinguish different areas that may have the same zoning but may have different requirements for infrastructure, for example. |
| 03:46:23.85 | Ray Withy | Can I ask a question of Geoff then? So in that light then, Geoff, well then how do you deal with it? If they have different needs, how do you deal with it? |
| 03:46:35.12 | Jeff Bradley | For example, under the existing specific plan, it identifies three sub areas as north, south, and central. So even though Area 3 is mostly zoned industrial, which also occurs in the other two areas, if there were specific infrastructure needs there in relation to that area being more impacted by sea level rise, you could at least refer to that as being in that sub-area. Yeah. Thank you. |
| 03:47:06.85 | Ray Withy | you Is that clear? |
| 03:47:11.17 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I mean, that presupposes, what you just said is now I was clear and now I'm confused, I'm sorry. But what you said presupposes that we're keeping these three zones from the current specific plan. |
| 03:47:11.44 | Jeff Bradley | Bye. |
| 03:47:11.45 | Ray Withy | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:47:23.43 | Jeff Bradley | Well, no, I think it presupposes that, like you said just a few minutes ago, as we get more into the implementation measures, we could take another look and say, are we finding a need to distinguish different areas in order to implement these high-level policies, or is the existing framework adequate? And, you know, it's not a vision-level kind of discussion, because the existence of sub-areas in and of itself doesn't reflect the high level end statement that vision statements are supposed to reflect. They're just kind of a nitty gritty planning device to kind of help you get there if it's found that they're needed. |
| 03:48:07.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:07.73 | Unknown | All right. So that sounds more like we just leave it out. |
| 03:48:07.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:11.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:12.47 | Unknown | for now. I have to turn my computer back on. |
| 03:48:18.45 | Unknown | Can we go back to the list of one through six? So we've covered, are we, Is a majority of us giving direction No sub areas for now as part of the visioning. THEM. utilizing that as a tool if necessary as we adopt implementation measures. |
| 03:48:42.80 | Unknown | I don't think it's part of our vision statement before we're finding tonight, but I do think. |
| 03:48:45.02 | Unknown | Friday. |
| 03:48:46.95 | Unknown | When we get into the more detailed planning, it's a tool we can consider. |
| 03:48:51.13 | Unknown | Everybody agreed with that? |
| 03:48:52.52 | Unknown | I agree with that. |
| 03:48:53.18 | Unknown | Yeah, I agree. |
| 03:48:53.21 | Unknown | Thank you. All right. |
| 03:48:54.61 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 03:48:55.88 | Unknown | Great. |
| 03:48:56.36 | Unknown | HOUSING. |
| 03:48:56.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:56.87 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:48:57.14 | Unknown | Housing, take it away. |
| 03:49:01.38 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Well, I'll start. So I, this is, I'm not sure that this is a question for the vision Or for the notice of preparation really, I would like to retain the option. to consider and explore housing in the marineship in very limited, in specific areas and I would like to retain the option to |
| 03:49:33.88 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I think the primary thing is the marineship is industrial, Maritime. artistic, that's our primary use, it is not a residential neighborhood and I do not think our vision should state that it's a residential neighborhood. But I think, There's a lot of special purpose housing, for lack of a better term, that I've heard. Affordable, senior, senior affordable, live work, workforce. When we were on the Blue Ribbon Task Force, we talked about dorms, student dorms for some of the educational uses that go on. We've talked about Rotary Housing. And I do think there are sites that are not in the BCDC map. They are not in the sea level inundation zone. They are close to transit and they are on areas that could potentially be safe for housing. and So I don't think we should rule that out completely at this point in time. Kind of in my long term thinking, I personally would only consider housing if it doesn't displace one of the uses that I just noted. You know, the maritime, industrial, or art space. that it would be consistent with health standards, obviously. Um... And that it would also be compatible with adjacent uses. So that there would be an understanding, you don't want to put residential next to it. noisy industrial It just doesn't make sense, it's gonna lead to unhappy circumstances for everyone. There would need to be that recognition. So anyway, that's a lot of caveats, but at this point in time, I think we have a lot more to understand legally about our ability to control. Can we get to this kind of ideal, in my opinion, my perspective type of limited housing that might be there and what else, what other information do we need before we can allow that. So I'd really like to see it studied in the EIR. I, you know, legally, I don't think if we Thank you. don't mention it in the vision, that I'm open to whether it's in the vision. I guess I don't have a strong... opinion about that. But I think if it's gonna be in the vision, it needs to be framed Uh, with the precursor that this is not overall a residential neighborhood. |
| 03:52:16.33 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I agree totally with that. I think the. I'm very cognizant of the fact that we've got a housing element redo coming up in 2023, and we're going to get, you know... . stuck with huge RENA numbers that we've got a plan for and in fact actually have to produce now with the current law. Um, That's going to take some more work, so I'd just like to. No, and that's why I asked the question of what is it we need to put in the current general plan so that it doesn't get in the way of the work we need to do for our housing element work for 2023. |
| 03:53:03.79 | Unknown | So I think from my questions earlier, it was clear that I don't believe this is something we should address now. That we need to preserve our right to consider all housing alternatives as we get into the 2023 housing element. I personally have been in the Grave concerns about putting housing in the marineship. What I mean by that is traditional housing and the marineship. Sea level rise, subsidence, liquefaction. So the A-bag map of 20 years ago showed our entire waterfront is in the brown landfill area, which will liquefy in an earthquake event. Tsunamis, the exposure to weather, the toxicity in the area. The machine shop is a superfund site and is uninhabitable. And we know lots of other toxins were buried during the World War II times. Um. In addition, I'm gravely concerned about our ability to control the character of the housing. So I have a couple of other options I'd like us to consider. I would love another Galilee Harbor co-op type of setup where it's water based housing for people who live and work in the Marin ship. That keeps it affordable, that confines the character. I took it upon myself to float that idea to BCDC today. And I didn't get a response, but they're going to noodle on it. So that's one option. Another option I'd like to see is to have us put the corporation yard in the marinship and sell the corporation yard at market value to Rotary to build senior housing. That's where housing belongs. That's the type of low-impact housing that is compatible near a school. It's still very accessible to transportation and services. And if the city sells it at market rate, Bruce Huff today said he can make the numbers pencil out and 100% senior affordable housing there. So those are the types of things I'd like to explore for our 2023 housing element. |
| 03:55:20.61 | Sheila Keough | Sure. |
| 03:55:22.19 | Unknown | Thank you Council Member Cox. My thoughts are as follows. |
| 03:55:23.70 | Sheila Keough | Yeah. |
| 03:55:28.62 | Unknown | First off, with respect to senior housing, I think as part of our general plan, We should have an objective to achieve senior housing in Sausalito. I think we should set numbers of affordable senior housing units that we want. I think it was a hot topic at the Marinship discussion. Because it was surface as an alternative. If that was a general plan discussion, it would have been just as hot of a topic, that we need senior housing here. And if we can get there faster by putting it in the the working yard or wherever. I think we need to have a clear goal for that. And I think we should preserve the option that it might be in the marinship through the conditional use permit that one of the gentleman had referred to. So our general plan should say, we'll always consider conditional use permits for affordable senior housing throughout the city, give us the flexibility to find homes for healing. I also think if we're going to encourage industrial and light machinery and maritime work in our city, we shouldn't expect our workers to live in Oakland. And so if we can find ways for live work that are sustainable, given sea level rising, then we should be looking for those. And I think your proposal to BCDC is something we should pursue as well. I think it's fascinating to see folks that were born and raised in Galilee Harbor and want to stay here. So those are my thoughts. |
| 03:56:58.74 | Unknown | Do we need to weigh in on the memory care and assisted living comments at all or do we want to? |
| 03:57:04.64 | Unknown | all. Thank you. |
| 03:57:06.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:06.62 | Unknown | So, |
| 03:57:06.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:06.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:06.75 | Unknown | My one concern. |
| 03:57:07.14 | Unknown | My one concern... |
| 03:57:10.97 | Unknown | I mean, I would love to see some of the office space, if appropriate, utilized for memory care or something of that nature. But not, I'm worried about, again, the contamination. Well, let's talk about that. |
| 03:57:21.18 | Unknown | Let's talk. Thank you. |
| 03:57:22.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:57:22.40 | Unknown | My one question, it was unclear through the conversation is, I like affordable memory care and assisted living. The last thing we need is to have senior living here on the coast that is the most desirable senior living that our seniors can't afford. It would be very desirable, right? And so that's, I think we as our conditional use permit should take into account affordability. Thank you. |
| 03:57:53.02 | Unknown | And I think we have to consider a lot of these things, but we don't have to consider those right now. We have to create the vision, and I don't think a vision. |
| 03:57:57.38 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:58:00.30 | Unknown | then determines what's in the soil. That's way beyond saying should we consider housing for this certain type of use in the marineship. Because I just saw where they built the Chase Center. There's a lot of ways to build in that area and it's getting better. So that we don't know the soil content is not a reason that we don't consider the vision of having housing. And I don't think the memory care that's being discussed would be 100% beds of memory care. This is a full transitioning type of place where you have different levels of senior care. Because I will tell you the biggest need we have right now is to get I think I just did the report that there's 36 units, over 3,000 square feet of somebody 80 plus living in our hills, 80 years old. 3,000 square foot home. There's 36 of those. They need to. age in a place in Sausalito. that is different than that huge hillside unless they want to stay there obviously, but have an option to stay in Sausalito that still provides them the luxury of living in Sausalito. And gets them out of the house that's a financial burden to them and a structural burden to them and free it up for a family or somebody else that we can continue to have a housing mix. We don't have a housing problem, we have a housing mix problem in California. So until we start figuring out how to get people into the right properties by building property that fits your community. And I think senior housing fits our community better than maybe any community in the United States. So we need product and I think what's being discussed is a level of different products. So it's from rotary style product to comfortable senior living to assisted living to memory care. But that's the goal we need to have. |
| 03:59:58.62 | Unknown | So I endorse Councilmember Riley's plan that we put it as an objective of the general plan, not specifically of the marineship. Specific plan. that we just have it as a goal at the general plan, then we can identify implementation measures whereby we measure Toxicity, whatever it is we need to do to evaluate the proper sighting. |
| 04:00:23.18 | Unknown | which we do anyway. |
| 04:00:23.78 | Unknown | Thank you. Which we do anyway. |
| 04:00:24.24 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Which we do anyway. |
| 04:00:25.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:00:25.59 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I mean, that's fine, but we have correspondence from Ron Albert, who's been on the Rotary Housing Committee for, I don't know how many years he said, but very many, that he's looked at every site. in Sausalito and it's either the corporation- |
| 04:00:40.86 | Unknown | He hasn't looked at the corporation yard. |
| 04:00:42.82 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, he... |
| 04:00:44.14 | Unknown | not at a market rate. Well, you can talk to her. |
| 04:00:46.19 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I mean, but yes, so the corporation yard is one, is certainly an option, and I think we should definitely explore that. I am definitely in favor of that. It's not a great location for a. semi-industrial use there on Nevada, but that's one site and it isn't the other, the continuum of care that I think a lot of our seniors are asking for. And there's a huge shortage of continuum of care. in Miranda. |
| 04:01:14.87 | Unknown | So again, I don't think we have to debate the siting tonight, I think including as a goal in the general plan, the identification of senior affordable housing. accomplishes our purpose and I don't think for the purposes of the EIR that we have to say where that would be. We simply have to. include it as a goal so we explore the environmental impact of it. |
| 04:01:39.98 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Okay, if that preserves, keeps our options open. |
| 04:01:42.47 | Unknown | Would we need to create how we want that housing to interact within the community, like close to transportation, close to services? |
| 04:01:51.00 | Unknown | That's part of, so what we're doing tonight is enunciating vision. That's part of implementation. That's a drafting exercise and it'll come back to us from the M group. |
| 04:02:00.11 | Unknown | Thank you. And may I ask, could that A conditional use permit overlaid many different zones. So that we have, that we preserve the optionality. I don't think this is a question of where, it's how many. And I would love to see our general plan, let's do the math to figure out how many. senior homes we like to have. And then that puts in place us getting creative about how we're going to achieve that versus just putting it down, down the road. |
| 04:02:30.09 | Unknown | So is that adequate direction for the M group? |
| 04:02:34.06 | Jeff Bradley | It is definitely direction, and we'll take it. |
| 04:02:44.22 | Unknown | Waterfront path. I want as much waterfront path as I can, a path through the marine ship. I just think that is so important. |
| 04:02:53.84 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I think waterfront is sort of a little bit of a red herring or perhaps a... maybe red herring's not the right word, but it seems like that's, I think the most important thing to me is, that you can get around through the Marin ship and through town safely and comfortably as a pedestrian or a bicyclist. And having just ridden through the Marin ship on my bike this weekend, ill-advisably with a cup of coffee. I was trying to balance with a few other things I was doing. You know, it's not a... |
| 04:03:34.96 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:03:36.38 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | It's not a smooth ride at the moment, but I would like to see, I agree that we don't need some grand tourist attraction. But for residents and people who work and live in the marinship, I think it's critical that we can get around, and it's critical to greenhouse gas systems reduction and sustainable and supportable means of transportation. I mean, I ride my bike i'm a big e-bike proponent and i ride it everywhere now the grocery store out and I want to be able to get around town. |
| 04:04:09.32 | Unknown | So do you support the M Group's recommendation of a hybrid path utilizing what's there and then doing the connectors where needed? |
| 04:04:16.78 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, as long as it's functional. |
| 04:04:19.01 | Unknown | up. I'm the strong advocate of a path in that I do use it. And when I'm in a wheelchair, I'd like to use it. And today I could not use it in a wheelchair. And we're talking about seniors here, and this is a beautiful history that they will know most of the history and they'll want to experience it. I enjoy going looking at Valhalla's sign shop all the time and . I think. A path makes this beautiful part of our town and its unique character accessible to the town. Absent a path, it's like the industrial guys protected their stuff, but the rest of us aren't quite allowed or we're not sure. I think sharing that area. Building on the history. letting people see the waterfall history is great. And I also think long-term environmentally, if we want to We want to encourage biking, we want to encourage jogging, we want to encourage walking. And a path does that more than a gravel yard that you're not sure is allowed on. |
| 04:05:22.10 | Unknown | So you're saying a path, but we have to distinguish between this concept of a waterfront you know, multi-use path or this hybrid notion recommended by the M group where we utilize the existing path and put in the connectors necessary to have it. |
| 04:05:39.84 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Why do we have to do that at this general plan level? |
| 04:05:42.59 | Unknown | Well, that's what they're asking us to do. |
| 04:05:43.77 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | to do. That just seems so We've been talking at these completely high levels and kind of mapping out I just don't really understand. I leave, that's not my question. |
| 04:05:55.46 | Unknown | That's not my question. So they're asking will the path serve residents or tourists? And that's kind of the age old question. Yes, but- you it's The impacts on existing businesses I think is a very important thing to consider in here that this is still, as far as the priority of items, we're protecting the ability for the working waterfront. So we don't want to put a bike path right over some rails or something like that. Exactly. That type of priority would give them the direction to |
| 04:06:17.47 | Tom Hoover | THE FAMILY. |
| 04:06:28.37 | Unknown | outlining. |
| 04:06:28.72 | Unknown | I would simply say, when we say waterfront path, I don't interpret it to be 100% waterfront path. I interpret it to be a path through the Marin ship near the waterfront. |
| 04:06:28.74 | Unknown | I agree. |
| 04:06:40.45 | Unknown | So I endorse what the mayor just said, which we have to keep the priority of maintaining the working waterfront and |
| 04:06:43.35 | Unknown | Amen. |
| 04:06:48.69 | Unknown | figure out a path that residents can use without interfering with that. |
| 04:06:54.61 | Unknown | My family just stayed at Clipper. I would hate for me to ride my bike over there because I'm a resident, but tell them they can't come back with me because they're a tourist. So I'm tired of the resident tourists. |
| 04:07:06.37 | Ray Withy | The history of this in GPAC is a long and tortured one. We've probably spent more time talking about waterfront path than quite frankly we should have. |
| 04:07:06.76 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:07:16.53 | Ray Withy | I'm not sure. It arose from several. areas, for one group. wanted this in order for actually the residents, and it was specifically for the residents to be able to enjoy the space. Which is I think, Tom, where you are coming from. Especially our senior residents, and people forget, it's not just younger people who like parks and paths, and seniors as well. Very much want parks and paths and so on. But there's another group that came from our bike and peg committee that was proposing the concept, which has sort of been lost in terms of the circulation through the Marin ship and wanted to propose a bike path through the Marin ship that actually deviated bikes, took bikes off of Bridgeway and got them through. That was, so there were several groups coming at this as to why we ended up talking so much about this. |
| 04:08:06.72 | Unknown | and golf. |
| 04:08:07.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:07.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:10.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:10.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:14.95 | Unknown | And the school had a plan, or the Safe Routes has a plan to bring kids down a little bit on that very western part of the rent ship and then connect back at Nevada Street. |
| 04:08:26.04 | Unknown | And, but I think that's |
| 04:08:26.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:26.95 | Unknown | THEIR OWNERS. |
| 04:08:27.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:27.96 | Unknown | WEEKS. |
| 04:08:28.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:28.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:08:28.39 | Unknown | that out. |
| 04:08:28.86 | Unknown | Thank you. May I just jump on that? We can have two paths through there. One alongside Bridgeway off of the road, right? And one down by the waterfront that's more for locals or the residents of that area. This is a vision statement, right? And so what we want to do is not solve it, but set the vision of what we're trying to achieve. And being on a bike committee formally, I do believe that bikes on Bridgeway are a danger. And if there were a safer path, even if 20 yards from there, |
| 04:08:34.04 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:08:59.20 | Unknown | we should also be looking for those alternatives. |
| 04:09:01.00 | Unknown | Definitely with kids and some others. Not because they don't care about them, just they're going fast. Go where they're going to go. |
| 04:09:11.57 | Unknown | Is that clear enough direction for M group? Thank you. |
| 04:09:16.33 | Unknown | Tom, is that good? What do you need? What's the question you have for us? |
| 04:09:21.22 | Unknown | that's right. |
| 04:09:22.15 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:22.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:25.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:25.39 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | you |
| 04:09:25.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:25.57 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I didn't have options there. |
| 04:09:28.65 | Unknown | Environmental remediation. Well, yeah. |
| 04:09:33.69 | Unknown | Can you turn to the environmental remediation slide, please? |
| 04:09:37.84 | Unknown | Condition is compounded by subsidence, expensive to mitigate. |
| 04:09:46.48 | Unknown | Should environmental remediation rise to the level of a vision statement issue? |
| 04:09:51.00 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:51.02 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 04:09:51.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:51.43 | Unknown | AND WE ALREADY HAVE |
| 04:09:53.54 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:09:53.55 | Unknown | Oh, well. |
| 04:09:56.98 | Unknown | I don't know, it's a vision. I'm going to go. It's a factor in application. |
| 04:10:05.06 | Unknown | Yeah, I don't think it's a vision. Kind of a given in the vision. |
| 04:10:06.87 | Unknown | What is it? |
| 04:10:07.69 | Unknown | I'm not. |
| 04:10:07.86 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:10:07.96 | Unknown | . |
| 04:10:08.23 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:10:08.67 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 04:10:08.99 | Unknown | It's a policy and a program that we are already incorporating through. |
| 04:10:09.01 | Unknown | It's a policy and a program. |
| 04:10:13.40 | Unknown | The recommendations from the sustainability commissioner. |
| 04:10:13.43 | Unknown | Yeah. I don't think we'd ever say we want a vision that says we want toxicity. |
| 04:10:19.14 | Unknown | All right. |
| 04:10:19.32 | Unknown | THE CITY. But this is where I think the notion of an economic plan to address these issues in the future, in the next 20, 30 years, EPA could be coming down on us saying, hey, with rising waters, liquefaction, you've got toxicity issues. And so I'd like us to start talking about what's our financial plan on how we're going to address that. Or at least not worsen it as part of this. |
| 04:10:45.90 | Unknown | So I think it's a policy slash program, not a vision. |
| 04:10:50.00 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:10:50.41 | Unknown | I agree with that. Except how it relates to our economic sustainability. Thank you. |
| 04:10:56.26 | Ray Withy | Well, you know, we're back to economic sustainability. Right. |
| 04:10:59.79 | Unknown | Right. Which we've already covered and agreed on. |
| 04:11:04.63 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:11:04.66 | Unknown | Every time we say that, the definition should go up. |
| 04:11:07.06 | Unknown | I know. |
| 04:11:07.60 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:11:08.31 | Unknown | All right, so what's the last item? Infrastructure. We already have infrastructure in the vision as pointed out by the Vice Mayor. |
| 04:11:14.99 | Ray Withy | I have no idea why this is there. Thank you. |
| 04:11:17.96 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | So it was one of the- |
| 04:11:18.00 | Ray Withy | Because it's so obvious. |
| 04:11:20.07 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. I mean, as long as infrastructure and the vision means... Our stormwater, our sewer, our circulation. Yeah. you know, everything. |
| 04:11:29.88 | Unknown | Does it mean we should set out for a bonding policy to change it or to do something more aggressive? |
| 04:11:35.98 | Jeff Bradley | I think there were some viewpoints on the GPAC that felt like the emphasis on the expected needed improvements in infrastructure wasn't sort of elevated enough within the vision statement. But I think the fact that we do have it in there to the extent that we do, talking about upgraded infrastructure alludes to the fact that all these things would need to be upgraded eventually and we could drill down into the details in the programs. |
| 04:12:04.00 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 04:12:04.13 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 04:12:04.17 | Jeff Bradley | PASSED. |
| 04:12:04.22 | Unknown | policies and programs. |
| 04:12:04.81 | Jeff Bradley | programs. |
| 04:12:05.75 | Unknown | you |
| 04:12:05.80 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:12:05.94 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I mean it's clearly a fundamental issue with allowing the businesses that are currently there to continue to function. is to have |
| 04:12:17.87 | Unknown | It's kind of passive, like our sewer lateral program is fairly passive in that when you move, you change your lateral. As opposed to an active program where we just go down the street changing all the laterals. Should we be looking at more of an active programming for infrastructure change, or are we going to just let it occur when failure happens or when somebody protects or enhances their property? |
| 04:12:44.68 | Jeff Bradley | I think it's going to need to be a combination of both of those because there's such a patchwork of public and private properties and related infrastructures. and we will look at ways to trigger infrastructure at a policy level to trigger infrastructure improvements in both cases, in the private sector and also within the public realm and try to identify some mechanisms and funding mechanisms to make that possible. |
| 04:13:18.35 | Unknown | May I offer, I think this is something that should be strongly worded in the general plan. As Ms. Sandra pointed out, mudslides are up in the hills that are going to impact the marineship. And it's not the marineship's problem to solve, right? It's up on the hills. And so we need to have a general plan that has a strong statement on what are the infrastructure improvements we need to make for the future in rising concerns. And certain things will be in the marineship. But a lot of the things are going to happen above the ownership. |
| 04:13:55.69 | Unknown | I agree with that. |
| 04:13:57.25 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I agree with that. The other factor here though is that, Status quo isn't okay. Because. The infrastructure issues in the Marineship are so bad that basically future the city's future. Um, potential future liabilities every year is growing. And we have no plan in place to actually attempt to ameliorate those liabilities that we're going to start assuming because of the infrastructure degrading. It crosses sewers, storm drains, the circulation element. We have high-pressure sewage lines that runs through, say, Gate 5 Road, we have Gate 5 Road already flooded. The businesses on Gate 5 Road within a decade will have to shut down. Unless we can find a way to solve the problem. |
| 04:14:58.94 | Unknown | So we have it in the vision statement, infrastructure, and Jeff is saying that the M group will draft policies and programs to carry out that vision. I think that's the best way to address those concerns. Not just for the marineship, but for all of Sausalito. |
| 04:15:13.57 | Unknown | Well, I would agree. different parts of our city are going to have different issues, right? So liquefaction is in the marineship areas we talked about. And we're likely going to see sea rise first. But we're not going to have mudslides in the marineship. Those are going to be in other areas that we need to address. We're not going to have fire hazards in that area as much as we're in other places. And so I think our general plan should call on each of these different zones the unique infrastructure investments that need to be made. And that there's a plan in the general plan to address those. |
| 04:15:17.99 | Unknown | Right. |
| 04:15:18.21 | Sonia Hanson | THE END OF |
| 04:15:20.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:15:20.14 | Steven Woodside | Yeah. |
| 04:15:42.04 | Unknown | Infrastructure challenges are frankly our biggest challenge in anywhere, right? I know. I mean, we're dealing with the power lines with storm water. Yeah. This is kind of some of the stuff I was hoping from this maritime community as well. And the working waterfront people that we want to protect and we want to enhance their opportunity to stay long term production in that area. I would like some solutions to come from that group on how do we do that as far as infrastructure. because we're willing to commit to that as a vision use in perpetuity help us with ideas on maintaining the infrastructure there so that that perpetuity of vision can take place. |
| 04:16:31.19 | Unknown | Okay, are we done? |
| 04:16:33.79 | Jeff Bradley | Until tomorrow night, yes. And then Ray and I get to- |
| 04:16:37.17 | Mary Wagner | And then Ray and I get to do it all over again tomorrow. |
| 04:16:40.59 | Jeff Bradley | Oh, nutty. Yes, thank you. That's excellent feedback. We appreciate it. direction. |
| 04:16:48.14 | Unknown | Thank you to the M group for facilitating this discussion. |
| 04:16:54.53 | Steven Woodside | I just... |
| 04:16:55.02 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 04:16:55.36 | Steven Woodside | you |
| 04:16:56.42 | Unknown | We gave direction, and it'll come back to us. |
| 04:16:57.54 | Jeff Jacobs | and it'll come back. |
| 04:16:58.11 | Unknown | It comes back out the other side of the pachinko ball thing. |
| 04:16:58.77 | Steven Woodside | Yeah. |
| 04:16:58.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:16:58.85 | Steven Woodside | THE END OF THE END OF THE . Pachinko. Thank you. I guess. |
| 04:17:01.98 | Unknown | . |
| 04:17:01.98 | Unknown | See you next year. |
| 04:17:02.43 | Steven Woodside | Thank you. |
| 04:17:03.98 | Unknown | Do we want to take a quick break? You guys need anything? Take individual breaks if you need it, because we're moving on. |
| 04:17:06.31 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:17:06.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:17:06.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:17:06.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:17:12.00 | Unknown | We have a note to discuss. |
| 04:17:16.67 | Unknown | And for the nope, I have... I'm going to say that we're going to Pat Zook. Peter Van Meter. |
| 04:17:22.70 | Unknown | that. |
| 04:17:24.01 | Unknown | Pat left. WE'LL BE BACK. Hey, Sandra Bushmaker, you're on this item, and Sandra Bushmaker. Did you do two for every one of them, Sandra? |
| 04:17:37.43 | Unknown | Thanks, Stephen. |
| 04:17:42.37 | Jeff Bradley | Are we on to- We are officially shifting gears now. Are we waiting for Susan? Thank you. Bill Meeker, your planning advisor said he would cede his time to me. And so we're going to jump right in. This agenda item is the notice of preparation for the general plan update for the related environmental impact report. |
| 04:17:43.52 | Unknown | So we are officially shifting gears now. Are we waiting for Susan? |
| 04:18:03.37 | Jeff Bradley | In terms of the basics, what is an NOP? What is CEQA? CEQA is the California Environmental Quality Act, which is a body of state law first enacted back in 1970. Almost 50 years old, or over 50 years old now. Actually, next year. 49 years old, sorry. NOP stands for Notice of Preparation. So anytime you do an EIR, Environmental Impact Report, lots of acronyms here, anytime you do an EIR, the very first step you do is issue a notice of preparation. It's actually required by state law to be done immediately after deciding that an EIR is required. It's especially important in the context of a general plan because the EIR and the general plan are supposed to work together. If you see an environmental impact in your CEQA document, there's an opportunity within the general plan itself to develop policies to mitigate or eliminate that impact. The lead agency, which is the city of Sausalito in this case, shall send the notice of preparation to the Office of Planning and Research, also known as the State Clearinghouse, and then their function is to then feed it out to all the state and relevant federal agencies as required. And also we file it with the county clerk. There's been some public comments about folks, agencies such as school districts and fire districts that weren't included in this distribution. There are separate requirements to notify those local agencies, which we've started to do that and will continue to do that throughout the process. |
| 04:19:47.64 | Jeff Bradley | Under the California Quality Act, the general plan update is defined as a project, and all projects require environmental review. The purpose of this exercise is to identify potential environmental impacts and to avoid and mitigate those impacts to the extent feasible. An EIR is the highest level CEQA document that can be created and provides an impartial evaluation of a project's impacts and must be certified by the lead agency, otherwise known as the City of Sausalito. The project area includes the entire city limits, which is in black, and the entire sphere of influence, which is in yellow. |
| 04:20:35.88 | Jeff Bradley | The general plan, as you're all aware, will include an update to nearly the entire general plan, which include all of these elements, environmental quality, health and safety, land use and growth management, community design and historical preservation, circulation and parking, and the economic element. The only one missing here is the housing element, which was updated back in 2015, and that is on a statutory requirement to update every eight years now, so the reference is to 2023 or to when that one would be due for updating. Jeff, we have a question. |
| 04:20:50.95 | Unknown | growth |
| 04:21:13.26 | Unknown | Jeff, we have a question. you |
| 04:21:14.04 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 04:21:14.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:21:14.81 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, so Jeff, the housing element is actually in the NOP. |
| 04:21:18.31 | Jeff Bradley | We did include it in the NOP because the general plan update is considered an update to the entire general plan. But that includes elements that may not change. Or policies that get carried over. So in an abundance of CEQA caution, CEQA is all about full disclosure, as well as mitigating impacts and disclosing impacts. It's possible there could be some little tweak to the housing element. |
| 04:21:30.19 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:21:49.71 | Jeff Bradley | I don't plan on tweaking the housing element, but if something was triggered that we saw, you know, a typo or some acreage reference that was incorrect, it would be a logical time to fix it, and we'd have it covered. But really, the substantive changes are to all the other elements. In terms of the timeline, step one is the notice of preparation, and that's also important to do that early because the EIR ultimately, if it were ever to be legally challenged, would be judged on the merits based on the rules in effect that the NOP was published. So it kind of lays down an anchor in time in which we follow the rules that were in effect when the NOP was published. We extended the comment period to December 9th to give folks a little more time. Originally it was November 18th. Step two will be release of a draft of the draft EIR with an associated 45-day comment period. And the purpose of that is to receive comments, hold a public hearing, and that's expected in April of next year. Step three would be to prepare the final EIR, which includes a response to all the comments received and any revisions necessary to the draft document and that is scheduled for July of next year. And then step four finally is to bring the final EIR along with the general plan update itself through the process for certification which is required public hearings in front of the Planning Commission and the Council, of course, and that is scheduled for September or October of 2020. |
| 04:23:29.21 | Jeff Bradley | This is essentially the same information in more of a visual format showing the notice of preparation, the scoping meeting that was held earlier this month on November 4th, then the draft environmental impact report coming out in April, and then that flowing into the final EIR joining up with the draft general plan for adoption hearings. |
| 04:23:55.75 | Jeff Bradley | The EIR will cover every environmental category that's required by CEQA to be reviewed. These are the 17 categories here. It's very comprehensive. The NOP, you will have noticed at the very end did disclose there was one topic that had been scoped out and that was agriculture and forestry resources on the finding that we don't have agriculture here and we don't have forestry resources. We have forestry resources close by but not in the planning area. |
| 04:24:39.76 | Jeff Bradley | The purpose of the scoping meeting that was held is really to allow the public to provide comment on the scope and content of the EIR. And speakers are encouraged to really provide written comments so that there's no mistaking what their comments were. No decisions are made about the general plan update itself at a scoping meeting, obviously. Public comments at this stage are generally focused on the scope and content of the programmatic EIR, environmental issues to be addressed, and the range of alternatives to be evaluated. |
| 04:25:19.69 | Jeff Bradley | And finally, any folks here tonight or watching this online are encouraged to provide written comments on the notes of preparation to include the information included here on the slide and submit comments by the end of business on Monday, December 9th to Bill Meeker, planning advisor at the city address, and his email is there as well. And that concludes my presentation. And I'm happy to answer any questions on this topic. |
| 04:25:54.53 | Unknown | I think two questions Jeff, one is, Some communities. Don't embark on the NOP until they have a draft general plan. We don't yet have a draft general plan. Are you concerned that we're embarking on the NOP prematurely? |
| 04:26:11.02 | Jeff Bradley | No, we find it's really best practice to issue the NOP as early as the process is possible. The primary target for the NOP is the public, obviously, but also the state agencies that may have an interest, and you want to get their feedback as soon as possible. So no important issues are left out, and you know about them up front. And it also allows for the creation of the general plan concurrently with the EIR, and they can both be built up together. And if the environmental side of the analysis points to issues that need closer attention, that can be reflected in the general plan itself. |
| 04:26:52.40 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | And so, can I just follow up on that? So maybe for the city attorney or perhaps for you, but so there's no legal issue with not having the draft general plan ready at the time of the NOP preparation. |
| 04:27:04.41 | Jeff Bradley | No, if you read the Office of Planning Research guidelines for general plan updates, which is separate from the CEQA guidelines, it's the general plan update guidelines issued by the state, it actually encourages a very early issue of the NOP and then joint development of the two documents. If we were to wait, if we were to do the entire draft general plan and then issue the NOP and then start the environmental analysis, you would miss out on a chance to really efficiently bring both documents up together. |
| 04:27:40.96 | Unknown | And my second question is- |
| 04:27:42.99 | Unknown | Can I ask one more on that? Yes, of course. On that- |
| 04:27:43.88 | Unknown | Yes, of course. Mr. Mayor, at your pleasure. |
| 04:27:46.77 | Unknown | On that. |
| 04:27:46.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:27:48.37 | Unknown | Thank you. On that line, as I'm trying to put it into context that we might have more understanding of when it is required. other than just being after a report, after deciding that it's required. If I went and bought 100 acres of residential land. Would I do it at the time of entitlement? prior to entitlement so I knew what the scope of my entitlement would be. When would I do that in the process of closing escrow? to submitting my plans. |
| 04:28:22.63 | Jeff Bradley | So for a traditional development project submitted by a property owner or a developer or an applicant, the project itself would be designed, and you would submit it to the jurisdiction. The jurisdiction would look at it and decide whether it was exempt, the initial study was warranted, or an EIR was required. if an EIR was required they could issue they, the lead agency, the city in this case, could issue the NLP almost immediately, just having received your project and then done the analysis. In this case, the general plan itself is the project, and the general plan project, by definition, is a process. And so as we go through the process, the project can shift and change around a little bit, and that's okay. It's actually good, because then you can be responsive to environmental impacts. With the developer and a city dynamic, it's a little different, where the city wants a stable project description so they can analyze it appropriately and then issues the document with a big laundry list of mitigation measures which sometimes could read as a list of corrections or changes to the project, which doesn't work in a policy context where you're doing this high-level document and you actually want the general plan to implement a lot of the ideas and issues surface through the environmental review. So you want to let the two items work together rather than lock down a draft EIR, or excuse me, a draft general plan, and then issue the NOP on that. And then the environmental consultants go off and do their analysis and point to a bunch of things that needed to be changed in the general plan. It would effectively double the length of time it would take to do both documents together. |
| 04:29:46.48 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 04:29:47.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:29:47.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:29:57.35 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:30:21.73 | Unknown | That's what I wanted you to say. |
| 04:30:24.79 | Unknown | Okay, my second question concerns our next agenda item, which is to hire a firm to do a land economic study in various geo zones including downtown Caledonia, Marin Ship, and Neighborhood Commercial. That project is projected to take 16 weeks. What if the recommendations arising from the land economics study include meaningful changes to our draft vision or zoning policies, programs, administrative procedures. Will we still be able to accommodate any of those recommended revisions in our NOP and adopt appropriate mitigation measures within the general plan process. |
| 04:31:24.02 | Jeff Bradley | That would be challenging because 16 weeks is, I'm going to call it, four months. And if that started today, that would put us pretty close to April when we're planning to have a draft, not only a draft general plan but also a draft EIR brought up to the appropriate level, which is a draft. Thank you. And so that We would need a little bit of time to digest that information and make changes, which may shift our schedule out a little bit. |
| 04:32:02.36 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | So we can talk about this more also in the next item, but I think that we all recognize that this was not perfect timing, but I think there's a couple mitigating factors. One is that We may not find anything catastrophically different about what our kind of general ideas are. Second, we will probably have some kind of preliminary report back before a final study is done, and maybe Brian Mora can talk to that. as well. And third, I mean, if something really significant comes up in the economic study, we can consider whether it's worthwhile um, You know, in putting that into the EIR address. |
| 04:32:54.99 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, can I just ask a follow-up question to... |
| 04:32:58.25 | Unknown | Are you asking me or Joan? |
| 04:32:59.40 | Unknown | To Jones, I'm asking you, but to Jones, to Council Member Cox's question. What if, because cities don't update their general plans every year, it's seven years or 30 years, depending on what city you are. When you do this. type of economic development, which Every city has now been involved in some level for the last 20 years and getting a lot more aggressive more recently. what happens if we decide to receive these reports but wait until the general plan has concluded it and then look to implementing it. What's the process of amending, or now going back to the complete general plan and implementing some of these recommendations? Thank you. |
| 04:33:48.05 | Jeff Bradley | Got it. The short answer is there's no prohibition on the city updating its general plan at any time for any reason, with the exception that you're not supposed to update it more than four times per year. And that's, I can't really opine what the point of that is, but that's state law. And they don't want you to do it like every meeting. |
| 04:33:58.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:34:06.47 | Unknown | to. you Thank you. |
| 04:34:08.78 | Unknown | . |
| 04:34:11.32 | Unknown | I'm watching. |
| 04:34:14.74 | Jeff Bradley | But you could do it four times a year, no questions asked, and incorporate new information or changed conditions or add an optional element or what have you. |
| 04:34:28.04 | Unknown | As I'm looking at the professional services agreement, I see that the final recommendations are actually not due to us until June of 2020. So that's too late for this EIR process, correct? |
| 04:34:40.61 | Jeff Bradley | General planning, yeah, process, yeah. |
| 04:34:40.97 | Unknown | Thank you. Okay. Thank you. I'm not going to speak for Brian, but Our situation here being a little different than in communities where you have a lot of freeway space and they're going to be developing through their land use. I don't see a ton of structural changes that will occur in our plan. I'm less concerned that it's going to, but it's a good question to know and we might have to make an amendment if something really large is there. |
| 04:35:08.98 | Unknown | I just wanted to understand. |
| 04:35:10.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:35:10.53 | Unknown | Thank you. the implications of how these two efforts will juxtapose with one another. |
| 04:35:20.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:35:22.28 | Unknown | Any others? |
| 04:35:24.47 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to just kind of clarify, there were some comments, both in writing and at the last item and on this at the hearing, about the timing and kind of the rush. And, you know, looking at when we started this general plan process in March of 2017, that feels sort of, |
| 04:35:25.74 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:35:47.98 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | It feels like we've been very deliberate and the schedule has been published since the beginning and I think we're a little behind, but are we rushing to catch up or are we kind of on schedule? |
| 04:36:02.81 | Jeff Bradley | Originally, this was designed to be a 24 to 30-month project. So that's two years or two and a half years. Like you said, we started in early 2017. So in my view, we're generally on schedule, but it's actually going to take a little longer than that, even finishing by the schedule we have outlined here. So it doesn't feel rushed to me. |
| 04:36:38.35 | Unknown | May I make a comment on that? I think efficiency and speed in this should be one of our design goals. It's easier to protract these things out and try to find the perfect answer. I think we need to make some hard decisions make efficiency a part of that. And finding ways to do some of these things in parallel with less than perfect information, I think is a wise thing, or else this can just drag on. |
| 04:37:09.47 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | And I have one other question. So going back to the housing element question, so it. We did just agree, I think, in our last item to look at housing. overall senior housing? |
| 04:37:25.87 | Unknown | including as a goal general plan the identification of affordable senior housing. |
| 04:37:34.12 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Right, but in this EIR, that's what we're looking at. |
| 04:37:37.72 | Unknown | Well, if it's in the general plan, it's going to be part of the event. |
| 04:37:39.64 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | But that would be an amendment to the housing element that we'd have to make now. |
| 04:37:43.77 | Unknown | No. Not necessarily, no. |
| 04:37:44.09 | Jeff Bradley | THE END OF THE END OF THE I think there's things we could do in the land use element that would acknowledge the need, the interest in a comprehensive view of providing senior housing sites or facilities, locations, and lay that out as a high-level objective or goal. An implementation measure could be to really drill down within the housing element and then do that analysis. Council Member Riley mentioned about stepping back and saying, well, how much of this do we need? How much of this do we want? What's realistic? You know, establish a numerical goal. But I would suggest doing that real more detailed analysis because that really becomes a very site-by-site analysis like we did for the housing element last time, looking at every parcel in town and trying to tease out where these locations would be. Have that as an implementation measure in the housing element if you're comfortable with that. If you want to speed it up, then we could do it now. It would be more in-depth than what we've been planning to do. But we could approach it either way. |
| 04:38:60.00 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Well, I think we've had, we have two different sets of folks that have put forward proposals that they want to carry out in the near term. So I would be in favor of a more... Sooner in time. Sooner in time. Analysis. So that we don't lose that opportunity if it's something we decide to do. |
| 04:39:17.06 | Jeff Bradley | You know. |
| 04:39:17.97 | Unknown | and time. |
| 04:39:27.44 | Unknown | But this will be covered as part of, because we've given direction to include an evaluation an identification of sites suitable for senior housing. this will now be part of the NOP and the EIR. |
| 04:39:45.85 | Jeff Bradley | Well it's not part of the NLP but it'll- |
| 04:39:47.38 | Unknown | Sorry, be part of the. and the other side. |
| 04:39:48.92 | Jeff Bradley | It'll definitely be. Of the EIR. If it's in the general plan draft, it'll be covered by the EIR for sure. |
| 04:39:50.05 | Unknown | Of the EIR. |
| 04:39:50.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:39:56.71 | Unknown | Good. All right. I have two cards, Peter Van Meter and Sandra Bushmaker. And John, did I see you filling out one? Okay. So it's coming up. Peter, you're up first. Sandra, you're second. John, you are third. |
| 04:40:12.64 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:40:12.88 | Peter Van Meter | Yeah. |
| 04:40:12.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:40:17.08 | Peter Van Meter | The President. Yes, I think that as one of your alternatives in the EIR, and particularly addressing the friendship, should be the investigation of having offices become a permitted use in the area again. I think that would be limited potentially to a very small portion of the marineship, according to the NOP, where you're looking at only reasonable situation where there's potential for probable change. In any event, the waterfront zone would be completely excluded, absolutely. And I like personally the idea where you have the three separate divisions like in the specific plan that graphic you had on earlier That this would be addressed to only the central portion of that plan But there's really another reason, and that is because this has been pointed out over and over again. use that's going on in the marineship right now. illegal. where there's a lot of spaces that have been converted to office use. People have come in to GPAC and talked about how high the rents are. The rents are, you know, in the economic analysis was done, they used 35 and $45 a square foot. I mean, you can rent industrial space with 15% or less office space in San Rafael for $20 a square foot. So that shows how much office conversion has, in fact, already happened in the area. |
| 04:41:43.43 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:41:45.22 | Peter Van Meter | The other factor is that it recognizes the reality of how businesses are conducted today, even so-called industrial businesses. and businesses that we prefer. architects, engineers, graphic designers, these people all tend to sit in space we call office space. A lot of them in fact are looking at computer screens even if you're doing quote industrial kind of design work. So it's really recognizing reality. but then also looking at what information will you have to make decisions later. Call this the most worst case scenario. for people that would definitely not want to see any office use in the area. you would know what those environmental impacts would be. You'd know, quote, how bad the situation would be. So when you're having to make the decisions and choices of your eventual land use policies, you have that information. If you make those decisions without having information, then you're making it in a vacuum, basically. So that's my reason for including it. Thank you. One final point. |
| 04:42:46.36 | Unknown | THANK YOU. |
| 04:42:48.55 | Peter Van Meter | At some point, there's going to have to be some kind of financial structure to address these infrastructure issues we've been talking about. You're going to form some kind of assessment district or whatever. And it may be over the long run that you'd like to have some properties that have adequate income to be participants in that kind of assessment district to address your infrastructure issues. That would be another factor to be investigated in this past study. Thank you. |
| 04:43:17.54 | Unknown | John. |
| 04:43:25.78 | John DeRay | actually was going to comment on the next item but something Peter said oh yeah this is succeed this is B right yeah yeah yeah sir I was just so I'm definitely want to hear from say something briefly |
| 04:43:29.78 | Unknown | TODAY. |
| 04:43:30.03 | Unknown | AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT. Yeah. I'll just call him if anyone's wanting to hear from you. |
| 04:43:37.62 | John DeRay | regarding this paying for the infrastructure. I guess the question that people are wondering is, how much... What is the bill for that? And how much development would you be willing to tolerate for that? If the bill is $100 million and you need $2 billion worth of development, I'm just throwing numbers out. The question is how much development would you tolerate? and change in the marine ship in order to pay for the infrastructure. Something to think about. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:44:15.14 | Unknown | Sandra. |
| 04:44:21.96 | Sandra Bushmaker | The lines are starting to get a little squeaky. Sandra Bushmaker, resident of Sausalito. With regard to the NOP, I did participate in that process, and It very frustrating. Frustrating because we were reacting and responding and supposed to be commenting. We had nothing to bounce these ideas, which required the public and myself included to pull ideas from the air, not knowing how it fits in the general plan revision. I cited the city of Nevada who gave 14 months notice to its residents to respond to the NOP after they had delivered a draft. general plan update. I'm concerned that I want to bring to the attention, I'm really happy to see that the Deadline has been extended to December 9th, but we have to do a better job. To get that notice out to the public. Let me tell you how I found out about the NLP. It was because I was on the general plan advisory committee list, and I saw it on your consent calendar. I dug down several layers into that, and I saw the NOP for the first time. So that's how I found it. Um, And then it was only first brought into the Sausalito Currents on the Friday before the Monday meeting. So I think we could do a better job of noticing, and I really would like to see better public notice. on the, um, December 9th deadline, so more input can be garnered. Recall that with regards to paying for infrastructure, I just wanted to remind you that the Mudside Task Force recommended general geologic hazard assessment districts. If you can relate your issues to geologic or hydrologic issues, there's an ability to form You may form a geologic hazard assessment district. And lastly, I would like to speak for a number of members of the public. We would really like to know. Because the NOP stated that the marine ship specific plan will be uh, consumed by the general plan. I recall absolutely no action, only discussion. Here and at the GPAC level. So I'm making a formal request for a vote on whether or not this council is going to retire the Marinship Specific Plan. Please give us the direction. Right now, we do not know what you're going to do with it. This document in the NOP said, yes, it will be retired, but yet there's been no official action from the council. Thank you. |
| 04:47:22.11 | Michael Labate | All right, so good for the next one. |
| 04:47:23.75 | Unknown | All right, any other public comment? Seeing none, we'll close public comment and bring it up here for our final discussion on this item. Any left? |
| 04:47:35.56 | Unknown | I'd like to... |
| 04:47:35.60 | Unknown | I'd like to. |
| 04:47:38.78 | Ray Withy | required? I don't know. Is there any action required, or we just? This is information. |
| 04:47:41.44 | Unknown | Exactly. |
| 04:47:41.96 | Unknown | THE ACTION. |
| 04:47:42.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:47:43.61 | Unknown | Yeah. So there was a request made that we expand the scope to... consider. additional office space in the Marinship. There was no discussion during our vision for the Marinship about increasing office space in the Marinship. The only public comment we received on office space told us that there's 55% 20% vacancy rate of office space in the membership. That was from Janelle Calvert. |
| 04:48:17.56 | Unknown | In the middle. Yeah, somebody told us, but not us. |
| 04:48:21.51 | Unknown | Yeah, so I said it was only addressed one time in one public comment. And so with a 20% vacancy rate, office vacancy rate in the marineship. see the need. to explore the environmental impact of increasing the amount of office space in the marineship. |
| 04:48:40.46 | Unknown | Well, somebody else brought up putting the housing in the place of the office space. That would lower the vacancy factor. |
| 04:48:48.31 | Unknown | It would, and it's a less intense use than the office space, so yeah. |
| 04:48:52.26 | Unknown | See you next time. as far as the CEQA process would be? Or is that what it tests against each other? |
| 04:48:59.85 | Jeff Bradley | Generally, in terms of traffic, residential is considered less intense than office. For public services, such as schools and parks, is generally considered more intensive, so it just matters what the measurement is. |
| 04:49:15.99 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Well, I think the proposal was a continuum of care at that office location. So is that a more or less intensive use? |
| 04:49:25.42 | Jeff Bradley | Senior housing memory care specifically generally has very little resident traffic, but some |
| 04:49:35.95 | Unknown | That was high service. |
| 04:49:36.03 | Jeff Bradley | High service fairly high amount of staffing and services coming into it So we could have to take a look at that |
| 04:49:47.49 | Unknown | So the reaction would be to not really change what's going on there, but to analyze what's happening there, since there is so much office. So would we want to then use those parameters? I mean, and I don't know what it entails to scope that out. What would it mean in a change of a? |
| 04:49:54.22 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. Yes. |
| 04:50:07.49 | Unknown | of a draft EIR to throw that in there. |
| 04:50:10.74 | Jeff Bradley | I think that would fit more logically with the broader analysis of looking citywide at senior housing and having a general level of analysis of if office space, either existing office space or planned office space, were converted to some type of senior housing, what the environmental tradeoffs would be. And that type of analysis would be useful for the entire discussion about senior housing and not just we typically wouldn't focus on just one site within the programmatic EIR and try to tease out an analysis we would take a more general approach which would have more utility for the city over time because then you could use that analysis to build on the bigger idea of providing more senior housing citywide in appropriate locations. |
| 04:50:19.13 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 04:50:38.08 | Unknown | Yep. |
| 04:50:42.50 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:51:01.96 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | So then is it possible to kind of using that same theory to look just generally at increasing what increased office space does environmentally? |
| 04:51:14.70 | Jeff Bradley | Citywide. |
| 04:51:16.29 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I mean on the same theory that you're just talking about housing. |
| 04:51:20.34 | Unknown | But why are we exploring the environmental impacts of an increase in office space when we have a high vacancy rate throughout Sausalito of our office space? |
| 04:51:32.52 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I don't know what our economics, I don't know what our study is gonna show. I mean, you were talking about how this economic study jives with This plan, I'm not saying I'm a proponent of that, I'm just saying let's keep our, we want to keep the broadest. So we've already completed |
| 04:51:50.32 | Unknown | So we've already completed our vision statement for the municip. |
| 04:51:53.41 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I wasn't talking about the partnership, I was talking about similar to your housing proposal overall. is it worth looking at trade-offs |
| 04:52:02.41 | Unknown | And can I just bring up, the reason potentially we have high occupancy in our office Vacancy. Vacancy is because the office uses are being done in the industrial zone. So is that the type of. analysis we need is that we have office uses like architects and applied arts and those things. industrial |
| 04:52:26.15 | Unknown | But even though they're in the industrial zone, we still have a 20% office vacancy rate in the industrial zone. |
| 04:52:26.28 | Unknown | But even though they're in the industrial zone, |
| 04:52:31.52 | Unknown | I heard we didn't have it in the industrial zone. Yeah, we do, 20%. 20% in the industrial zone. Yeah. |
| 04:52:33.19 | Unknown | Yeah, we do. 20%. 20% in the industrial zone. Yeah. |
| 04:52:37.79 | Unknown | Office. |
| 04:52:38.79 | Unknown | of existing office space, 20% vacancy rate. |
| 04:52:43.28 | Unknown | with the light industrial people renting that. |
| 04:52:49.30 | Unknown | Because it's being, yeah, it's because it's, well. The form. |
| 04:52:53.30 | Unknown | We don't know. |
| 04:52:54.04 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:52:54.53 | Unknown | I don't know. Well, I get how it's formed, though. |
| 04:52:58.48 | Unknown | In any event, I don't see the necessity at this point to examine the environmental impact of an increase in the office space in Sausalito or in the Marinship. |
| 04:53:14.70 | Unknown | Ironically, the environmental impact of vacant office space is pretty low. you Thank you. |
| 04:53:23.64 | Unknown | Sorry to be facetious, it's getting late. |
| 04:53:26.92 | Unknown | Yeah. And anyway, we are not taking action on this item. This was an update to us. |
| 04:53:34.54 | Jeff Bradley | Yes, but we were asking for, we were treating this as like a NLP SCOBY meeting for the council and any members of the public that were here, so if any, |
| 04:53:40.33 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:53:44.96 | Jeff Bradley | Council members have things they want to focus on in the environmental document |
| 04:53:51.42 | Unknown | You're inviting us to put that in writing and send it to you. |
| 04:53:53.95 | Jeff Bradley | Well, no, we're inviting you to just tell us now. We'll write it down. |
| 04:53:55.72 | Unknown | Right now. Thank you. |
| 04:53:57.01 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 04:53:57.04 | Unknown | Thank you. As opposed to any of the scoping items that you had come to you during the scoping meeting that you want us to opine on? |
| 04:54:03.20 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | So, The only comment I had on the NOP is, I mean, I would just want to look, carefully when you're Really forming a project description at the language that's on page three. It just picks out really odd, focuses on interesting things. It says, the Sausalito General Plan updates, this is under project description. Seeks to preserve Sausalito's historic character, public open space, and natural resources. So it just picks out those three things, which I don't argue with, but I think there's a lot more going on. And then it says, well, enhancing public access to the waterfront. pedestrian and bicycle circulation. And again, I don't disagree that all those things are included, but it doesn't even mention Automobile circulation. Or it's just a, and then the next paragraph kind of goes on and has some other. |
| 04:55:11.61 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I don't know where this came from or how it was formulated. But it's not as inclusive or as broad as I would think our general plan is. |
| 04:55:25.65 | Jeff Bradley | Comment noted. |
| 04:55:35.22 | Unknown | And then one other comment that came up from public comment is this whole idea of the direction we gave about the marineship specific plan. May I request that staff come back to us with a resolution? |
| 04:55:42.17 | Unknown | May I? |
| 04:55:46.03 | Unknown | memorializing our direction that we can pass formally so that we put to rest the, because we hear this over and over and over from people who are not clear about the direction we gave. |
| 04:55:57.61 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | the direction We've talked about this two or three times. |
| 04:55:59.47 | Unknown | We have. We have. And it still continues to come up. So I'd like to just have a formal resolution. |
| 04:56:03.03 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | like, |
| 04:56:06.13 | Unknown | based on the direction we gave. |
| 04:56:06.25 | Ray Withy | Well, We've given clear unanimous direction, but apparently members of the public want to actually see us vote. |
| 04:56:10.28 | Unknown | Yeah. so may may we have a resolution at our next |
| 04:56:17.37 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:56:17.88 | Unknown | meeting. |
| 04:56:18.18 | Unknown | With the terminology that we've used, that we're taking the contents of that and putting it into the general plan. |
| 04:56:20.36 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:56:23.16 | Unknown | Exactly. |
| 04:56:23.35 | Unknown | Exactly. |
| 04:56:24.29 | Unknown | I would frame it, what are the conditions under which we would do that? Right, so we're saying, provided these conditions that were carrying these elements forward. |
| 04:56:33.28 | Unknown | Okay, we can't discuss it now. I'm asking for it to be a future agenda item. Yes. A resolution. |
| 04:56:38.21 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I just feel like we've spent so much time on this. We've discussed it and people keep saying we have not discussed it. We have discussed it. It's on tape and we've had unanimous approval. Okay. |
| 04:56:46.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:56:46.38 | Unknown | I know. You don't need to vote. We don't need to vote. You're right, we don't, but we are being requested to vote. Okay, so- So I have no issue with accepting that. |
| 04:56:55.21 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Bye. |
| 04:56:55.22 | Unknown | So I have no issue with that. |
| 04:56:58.09 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | That request, okay. It's just, I think it's a, you know, |
| 04:56:58.92 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 04:57:02.51 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | We've made our intention clear, it's not an efficient use of time. We'll put it on consent. Okay. I mean, yeah. |
| 04:57:10.92 | Unknown | It's going to be vague because like Tom said, it's going to carry the caveats of the process of determining what the general plan is going to say. |
| 04:57:15.49 | Unknown | Yeah. Yeah. OK. Sorry, thank you. |
| 04:57:24.42 | Unknown | ARE WE MOVING ON? |
| 04:57:25.02 | Unknown | I think so. Jeff, you're good? We're good? We're done? Perfect. |
| 04:57:27.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:57:27.37 | Unknown | Perfect. |
| 04:57:27.62 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:57:30.31 | Unknown | Now I think we have an item we're actually going to vote on. Thank you. Yeah. So Brian Mora is going to, our economic development contract advisor is going to come and tell us about an agreement with Cosmont Companies for Land Economics Studies. Thank you Jeff. |
| 04:57:46.40 | Unknown | Thank you, Jeff and Tom. |
| 04:57:47.92 | Unknown | Thanks, guys. |
| 04:57:49.32 | Unknown | AND BILL? |
| 04:57:53.03 | Unknown | And currently I have John DeRay. Pat, who's gone home, and the normal two items from Sandra, which I guess is one. |
| 04:58:06.23 | Unknown | Okay, thank you Mayor, members of council. We're here tonight to talk to you about the land economics study. As you will recall from the August 27th meeting where the city council approved starting an economic development program and also issuing an RFP for this study, the goals of the study are to do a land economic analysis and market study of the eight business areas in the city. The idea is to look at the business climate and opportunities for the next 20 years and to recommend strategies to the city and to local businesses that are supported by the economy and market forces. The RFP was issued the day after the council authorized it on the 28th of August. The city received two responses from Warren Cooley and Cosmont Companies. Both of these firms were interviewed by the Economic Development Subcommittee, and the subcommittee unanimously recommended the proposal from Cosmont. References were checked with three different cities that had recently used Cosmont. We were trying to look at a situation that was somewhat similar to Sausalito where people were starting out, as opposed to some of the other Cosmont clients where they've been working with them for 10, 20, and even 30 years. We developed an agreement that was specific to Sausalito and its needs, and that is what's before you tonight. This is a table from the proposed agreement that shows the major project milestones. I should point out that as we develop this agreement, it was enhanced over the original proposal. The interview committee felt it might be wise to put a second optional presentation for the city council so that if the city council heard the report, had questions, and wanted to continue it, there'd be an opportunity, so that task was added. We also added an executive summary as well as a presentation to a joint meeting of the BAC and the Hospitality Committee. I'm not sure. The question about how this document relates to the general plan and the economic development plan was discussed on your August 27th meeting, and you'll probably recall that we showed you the existing economic element in the current general plan and how this work was consistent with that. But I wanted to give you an update on what's been happening since August 27th. We've provided the financial data and business data from the eight geo zones and the revenue by zone to the M group as part of their work. We've also provided to the M group and to the BAC and to the hospitality committee a analysis of the marine ship revenue and business uses from the sales tax data looking at the businesses that generated 90% in each area. Both the waterfront area and also the industrial shopping center area. And then finally, we have had some preliminary discussions with Cosmot about the general plan update and we're going to give them additional information about that process beyond which is on the website. In terms of economic development. As we told you at the August 27th meeting, there is a link between this work And the next step in the economic development process in terms of major initiatives, which would be an economic development strategic plan. And indeed, in our interview with the Cosmont folks, they agreed with that strategy as recommended by the city, that they thought that was a logical next step that the city could obviously move from once you get current economic data, which the city does not have at the moment, and they could roll that into a strategic plan. And again, as I note, this is a continuing process as we get information developed, whether it's from Cosmont or staff, we'll continue to send that over to M group, community development, et cetera. Turning to the Finance Committee, the Finance Committee met last Thursday to review this proposed agreement, and their comments and suggestions were that they wanted to include in this staff report The information from the eight geo zones and the revenue data and the business use data in the council report and you'll see that that is indeed included. They also wanted an update on how the study would relate to the general plan and the future economic development strategic plan, which we've included. The mayor suggested, after some discussion with the city of St. Helena, which is one of Cosmont's newer clients, that the city might consider an economic development sister city program, I believe was how he terminated, that basically both cities could share best practices. St. Helena is a couple studies ahead of Sausalito. They've already not only finished the economics, they've also done the strategic plan, and they're now on their third initiative in economic development. But since they're a little bit ahead of Sausalito, I think that's a really great idea. It's both they're smaller communities, both are tourist oriented and have some of the same challenges as it relates to how do you fund needed infrastructure improvements. So with that, the Finance Committee is recommending to the council that- Brian, I'm sorry, can we have a question? |
| 05:03:26.96 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Oh, sorry. |
| 05:03:27.55 | Unknown | Sure. |
| 05:03:27.82 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I just wanted to flag that someone did hand up tonight, earlier in our discussion, an economic study from Port Townsend. and noted that as a possible... |
| 05:03:37.03 | Susan Patterson | Mm-hmm. |
| 05:03:40.59 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | having some potential learning for the Marinship. So when you just mentioned St. Helena, I just wanted to make sure that you got a copy of that report. Yeah. Hopefully it was handed out. |
| 05:03:50.24 | Unknown | Hopefully it was handed out. Sure, and we can certainly pass that on to the Cosmot team. |
| 05:03:54.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:03:54.72 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Bye. |
| 05:03:54.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:03:54.85 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | and then, |
| 05:03:55.02 | Unknown | Martin Associates. |
| 05:03:56.25 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:03:56.27 | Unknown | Right. |
| 05:03:56.93 | Unknown | Yeah, we can pass that on. |
| 05:03:58.58 | Unknown | Okay, thank you. |
| 05:03:59.58 | Unknown | Anyway, so the committee recommendation is to move ahead with the proposed agreement. And as far as sort of recommendations and next steps as the council recall at the August 27th meeting. We indicated we believe the study would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $75,000 in cost. Actually, even after we added the additional tasks were somewhat under that, money for this project is available as part of the economic development capital budget. And so we're recommending that the council authorize the city manager to execute the agreement. We also list in the staff report, as we always do, alternatives for the council, adopting the recommendations with some modifications the council may desire or any other action. And then as a final note, I would note that in our preliminary discussions with the Cosmot team. They're anxious to get started and they've committed that if this item gets approved by the council tonight, they will be here next Monday and Tuesday to start the process. So with that. Thank you. I'd be happy to answer any questions. comments. |
| 05:05:07.85 | Unknown | All right, questions? Tom. Yes, I don't know if this is an appropriate place for this question, but you can advise Brian. Sure. the different uses. Business and commerce is going to change drastically in the next 20 years. Correct. And who's creating that vision, like autonomous vehicles and where we're going to place those that no one owns. The gig economy, more people will be working out of homes or as independent contractors. Um, Are pharmaceuticals going to be delivered by drones? CVS did their first drone delivery, and that's going to assist our senior citizens. But are we planning on what that business entails? The founder of Uber is on his next billion dollar startup, which are these centralized kitchens that just do deliveries. I'd love to see those kitchens in our city. |
| 05:05:56.93 | Unknown | Right. |
| 05:05:57.15 | Unknown | So are Does your work incorporate the future vision of what business and commerce is like and we're planning for that? |
| 05:06:05.67 | Unknown | That's exactly what a piece of this study is going to be. For example, one of the ideas that the consultant talked about in their interview was the notion of having pop ups in the downtown. And we had some questions from about how would that happen, and would you need to change the zoning code or all of that. We also forwarded to Cosmont last week the article that some of you may have seen in the Marin IJ about Amazon opening a storefront at the Corte Madera Mall. And there was quotes in that article from the Princess Street Business Association in Sausalito saying they were very concerned and We're going to ask you to... weigh in on that. What they will do as part of their scope of work is they will look at things like the vacancy rates that you talked about earlier and look at are they really 20% or what's the nature of that. They'll look at sales tax data, property tax data, they've already told us that they would like to not only look at the sales tax data for the last year or two, which was what we were initially talking about, they actually are proposing to go back ten years to look at the sales tax data in Sausalito. So they will look at that and then they will talk about trends as you're describing experiential retail, some of the things that if you went through the BAC report that BAC talked a lot about. So they're going to be tasked to look at that. And then they're going to describe opportunities in each of the major areas, the downtown, Caledonia Street, Marinship. And I would imagine, based on my work in previous studies of this type and other communities, that what's going to happen is they're going to talk about opportunities that Sausalito has in the next five to 20 years. And typically what happens is when these are discussed and then presented to a city council, typically the council goes through a process of saying, yeah, that's an interesting one, let's go after that or let's talk about that, and then there's another one where they say, Yeah, it's great to know that's an opportunity for us. We're not interested. And so there'll be that sort of a discussion with the consultant team once the report is done. But, yes, very definitely those are some of the things I'll look at. But I'd also mention that if you have very specific things you'd like them to look at, we'll certainly arrange for them to talk with you and make sure that those get studied. |
| 05:08:22.81 | Louis Briones | The Press. |
| 05:08:25.00 | Unknown | I noticed that their recommendations will be based on interviews with city staff and select business owners slash managers. As well as from two committees, the Hospitality Business Committee and the BAC. |
| 05:08:44.01 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 05:08:45.79 | Unknown | I want to make sure, I'm concerned that there's not a broad enough Um, scope of. Interviews, if you will. So who is determining which business owners slash managers will be interviewed in each geo zone? |
| 05:09:06.31 | Unknown | My sense is that we will probably leave it up to the Cosmont folks once they analyze the data and look at different business types. I would imagine, based on studies of this type, they will try to get some representative businesses. So for example, there are a number of interior designers in town, so I would imagine they'd probably talk to one of those folks. You have a number of ad agencies and marketing firms in this community, they'd probably talk to those folks. Obviously, a concentration of restaurants and hoteliers, the tourist trade, they'll talk to some of those folks. So that's the nature of it. And in this particular study, really the key focus is going to be on economic data, trends, how the businesses are doing, that sort of thing. The follow-on project, the next one down the line, the economic strategic plan is the one where you try to put your arms around all of economic development and in that next phase that's when you would presumably have Thank you. visioning with the whole community, you'd bring in the residents, businesses. You'd take that list of 35 items that the BAC and hospitality started with and you'd expand it. And it wouldn't surprise me, for example, if you ended up with 75 or 100 items. And then as part of that strategic plan, you would also then start to talk about how are you going to address all of the issues that not only the business community has already identified for you, but also all the business-related issues that the community is likely to identify, and the council too, obviously, for that matter. |
| 05:10:40.31 | Unknown | else. All right, I'm gonna open up the comment. John, Susan, and Peter, same three, I just switched up your order. Sandra, I'm just calling you Susan X. I have my glasses on. |
| 05:10:58.69 | John DeRay | Part of what I have here is from Pat Zook to read a few paragraphs. She had to leave. But I wanted to start with the mention of the Port Townsend analysis. GPAC is very familiar with that analysis. As you recall, we advocated for that type of analysis. One of our GPAC members sent a letter to city council advocating for that. We were turned down because there was not enough funding. Shortly after, we found that this RFP was out there for $250,000 over the two years. So it's something that kind of raises a flag a little bit. As you recall, on August 27th, I came up to city council when this RFP was being discussed and voted on. And I pointed out once again, industrial is not representative. |
| 05:11:50.81 | Unknown | and it's... |
| 05:11:54.49 | John DeRay | And at the end of public comment, When you guys started talking about it, Jill Hoffman said, you know what? I think we'd be able to take in those recommendations from them as well. And she looked around, and everybody nodded. There was no vote. Reason, who was here earlier, and his guys, put together a list of recommendations, submitted them, and I asked him tonight if anything happened with that, and he said no, and it's not in here at all. The BAC recommendations are in here. The hospitality recommendations are in here. But the industrial, once again, the industrial zone and those people are not represented in here, nor are the maritime people. So I'm going to read Pat's, but one last thing regarding this particular company. I don't know the cities that were looked into, but I urge you to look at their work in Redondo Beach and what happened there. It's very similar. It's a waterfront redevelopment project. And the process that went from their work to the developer to a referendum, that was a complete fiasco. So I urge you to look into that. So here's Pat's document. Pat's note. We have spent close to two years in a general plan update process during which the general plan committee and various stakeholder groups did exactly what the Cosmod group proposes to redo as far as these items are concerned. One, conduct an assessment of current condition. Two, work with staff to affect city outreach. Prepare an economic demographic profile. and programs for the next 20 years. And almost insultingly, Cosmont will base its recommendations on interviews with city staff and select business owners, managers, and a review of previous revitalization efforts. She says, read Imagine Sausalito. |
| 05:14:01.24 | Unknown | Thanks, Sean. And Pat. Sandra. |
| 05:14:03.63 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Can I just ask a question? I didn't understand what you were saying about redondo wheat. |
| 05:14:10.05 | John DeRay | I'm telling you that you should look into what happened with the Redondo Beach project. |
| 05:14:19.26 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Meaning what? |
| 05:14:20.09 | John DeRay | Meaning look into it because it may be of interest. |
| 05:14:22.87 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | They did an economic development analysis by this consultant? Yes. Okay. |
| 05:14:30.13 | Unknown | And they recommended and are implementing a boutique hotel on the beachfront, Within a horse shaped pier, restaurants, marketplace, hall for selling fresh fish and other culinary fair. Opening up of a seaside lagoon, a high end movie theater, public art, and open space. |
| 05:14:44.27 | John DeRay | and movie theater, public art. But it's not that. It's the process of what happened over the years and with the public and the referendum is what I was referring to. |
| 05:15:02.60 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. Sandra Bushmaker again. This is an excerpt. I was pretty shocked when I saw this item and read the contract. And I want to. |
| 05:15:04.59 | Unknown | Senator Bushmaker again. I'm going to ask you all those items. |
| 05:15:13.97 | Sandra Bushmaker | echo John DeRay's comments because I too have concerns. This seems to be a bypass of the GPAC. I don't see how the GPACs work for the last two and a half years fits into this process. And it's a big concern of mine. appears that Cosmon is going to be driving the vision for Sausalito for the next 20 years. When you read the scope of the work, on exhibit A, that's exactly what it says. And so I'm very concerned that this needs a little more public daylight and public input on this because we're hiring consultants to do work that GPAC is already doing And that the public has already made input into the GPAC process, and I understand this is an economic study. But at this point, I think we need the public to be informed as to what this process is. It was a surprise to me, as I said, when I read it, and I'd like to see some focus be put on the residents and not just the business community. And the hospitality committee and the business advisory committee. And by the way, my email to you today did address the Marinship vision. That was the first thing I said, and there were six points, the same six points that I addressed, so I encourage you to read it. Appreciate it. Thank you. |
| 05:16:47.96 | Ed Labar | You too. |
| 05:16:56.92 | Peter Van Meter | My first point is the names of the geo zones. We talked about Marinship North and Marinship South. I figured, oh, that must be just splitting it at Harbor Drive. I looked at the map. It's really Marinship East and West. So I said to the public, you need to change that terminology because the W district is number two, and the industrial district is number one, and they ought to be West and East not north and south that's very confusing also there's uh alternatives that they're going to discover i really think this concept of the innovation of industries down there they come up with those you pointed out some future thinking also in prior economic studies we looked at what was called the multiplication factor business, and what kind of economic impact that has. Anybody want to revisit that concept from the 2012 report? And finally, when they start looking at retail zones like Caledonia Street, resident serving, where they kind of find out their opinion, what is the future of that? Is it only going to be businesses that require your physical presence like a nail salon or cleaners? Is there opportunity for other kind of businesses in that sort of neighborhood? I hope that they can discover some of those concepts. Thank you. |
| 05:18:11.73 | Unknown | Thank you any other public comment. Seeing none, we'll close public comment and bring it up here for our comments. |
| 05:18:18.35 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | So I just have one more question. So do we know what happened with the- a document from reason bradley that was submitted to the city i don't remember seeing that |
| 05:18:32.37 | Unknown | I have not seen it. |
| 05:18:33.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:18:34.51 | Unknown | Nobody's in zone, he's in the waterfront zone. So hopefully he'll maybe be included in the conversation. |
| 05:18:40.87 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Well, I think they, I mean, it would be important if there's |
| 05:18:44.87 | Unknown | Information that he submitted. |
| 05:18:45.09 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Information that he's submitted and he spent the time to compile it, that we should make sure that we have it and that that's taken into consideration. |
| 05:18:46.87 | Michael Labate | you |
| 05:18:51.76 | Unknown | Do we have contact information for Reason Bradley that someone can reach out to him to find out? Because maybe it got, we've been having spam issues with our email. |
| 05:18:58.32 | Unknown | spam issues with our email. We've interviewed them too. Didn't we use that? |
| 05:19:02.39 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:19:02.41 | Doug Storms | Thank you. |
| 05:19:02.46 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | I'm thinking of the bar |
| 05:19:03.71 | Doug Storms | Thank you. |
| 05:19:04.09 | Unknown | Tell him to resend his list. |
| 05:19:06.17 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Well, maybe someone from the city can make. I mean, if he's- |
| 05:19:08.68 | Ray Withy | I mean, if he's... Yes. Thank you. That document, we just need to find it, make sure it's part of the record. For sure. |
| 05:19:14.44 | Unknown | For sure. |
| 05:19:15.20 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 05:19:15.72 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, and I think there is certainly no, from my perspective, no intention to ignore the businesses that we've just been spending most of the evening talking about, businesses and the marineship. hopefully those will be well represented in any survey. Thank you. |
| 05:19:42.84 | Unknown | Any other comments? Yes. |
| 05:19:43.90 | Unknown | Yes, I share Sandra Bushmaker's and others concerns and I expressed this when we first discussed this in August that this work is not timed properly, that it runs the risk of redoing or undoing the work of the GPAC with respect to visioning. So I'm very concerned about the timing. fully endorse the recommendation that we send to, if we hire Cosmont, that we send to Cosmont the study done for Port Townsend. Because we did previously bring that to the council as a recommended, analytical approach and the council decided not to adopt the hat approach and instead enunciated a different economic analytical approach for the marineship. But this document was previously brought to the council. It was previously presented to GPAC and to the M group. So I would like at least Cosmont to have the advantage of seeing how this, how Martin and Associates analy Associates has analyzed 500 port districts on an economic basis. |
| 05:21:07.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:21:10.84 | Unknown | To the comment I made earlier, I think it's very important we have outside help on what the future of commerce and business looks like with all the technical changes. If we just depend on our community, we're going to be so rooted in what we know and we need outside thinking. So I think it's important we have a consultant. If this is the right one, it's good. There's a question about the scope of this assignment, and then there's a question about the firm that's doing the work. I, I, I think the scope is not to, should not be intended to replace the great work of the GPAC. Interesting, another form of I'm not sure. input to us to make our decisions. We need to understand where and what businesses are most viable for our different areas. And if this consulting can help us understand that for the next 20 years, I think that's important input. |
| 05:22:04.15 | Ray Withy | I completely concur with that. I'm not going to make many comments. I was, along with the mayor, was on the interview team for this meeting. initiative. They, I think, will do a good job. And I think we need to make sure that all the previous work studies that data that we have, input from everybody, gets into their hands. And I fully agree. This is not in any way attempted to replace the work that GPEC's doing, but is another important data set for input. So I'm going to move that we authorize the city manager to execute a professional consulting service. More comments. more comments, I'm just getting motion on the table to get it over and done with as it's 17 minutes past midnight. Authorize the city manager to execute a professional consulting services agreement with Cosmo companies with the source leader of the land economic study, and I didn't mean to preempt that. |
| 05:22:52.73 | Jim Henry | Thank you. |
| 05:22:52.77 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:23:08.39 | Unknown | No, no, no, no, no. Before I take a second, any more comments? |
| 05:23:13.84 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I think just going back to the timing thing, I think we all recognized every step of the way. I mean, part of the timing issue was that this study has come from our new business license tax and TOT. And we didn't have that certainty at the time when we were deciding on the study for the G-PAC. And so we had a very limited budget at that time. And we also were looking at an analysis that would help flesh out alternatives and look at a range for purposes of helping with our eir analysis so i think the timing was not ideal but the timing is what it is and I to me I still think we should should do this work and to the extent that We can get input from all groups up front, I think that's valuable. |
| 05:24:14.27 | Unknown | I have a couple pages of notes I wanted to read here. I, you know, how we came to this point with, with starting an economic development discussion on our own and putting heads in beds and then having this bigger idea. I don't see it conflicting with the general plan. Even when we started doing this general plan, we often talked about we can't stop doing business in Sausalito while we plan for three years. We have to continue to do business, and our businesses need help. |
| 05:24:43.06 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 05:24:43.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:24:45.78 | Unknown | And this is a guide for us, but it's also a guide for business. This is going to bring a lot of really good ideas to the people who actually do open storefronts, or who actually do put their investment dollar on the line to create a retail opportunity or a service opportunity or experience in Sausalito. We have the platform, we have the template, but it's And it's all those individuals that we're going to talk about in this next item of 1,200 people that need to have an idea of the future as well. So I hope that we provide them a good report. I hope we provide them that they take advantage of looking at the information that's going to come out of this type of report. Because it's as valuable for the businesses as it is for us. And ironically, we're investing their money in it. |
| 05:25:29.86 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 05:25:36.19 | Unknown | Each business can go out and perform their own economic study to figure out where's the next opportunity or how do they make their business viable for the next 20 years. But we were able to pool their money and do it for them and help us guide our planning and improve our offering to the business community as well. So I think it's a really great dynamic. I'm looking forward to the process because anytime you have somebody like that in your community talking and bringing up different people and then them picking the people and who they want to talk to, I think we'll get some new insights. I think we'll have a lot of good information. I look forward to that coming to us as it occurs and then its final report form. And like Brian said, then we'll have a lot of choices to pick or follow. defer so um i will second can i second yeah i'll second uh raise motion |
| 05:26:19.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:26:19.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:26:19.92 | Riley Hurd | Thank you. |
| 05:26:19.94 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:26:22.62 | Unknown | All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? |
| 05:26:24.03 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 05:26:24.04 | Steven Woodside | I'm not sure. THE FAMILY. |
| 05:26:24.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:26:24.70 | Steven Woodside | Thank you. |
| 05:26:24.72 | Unknown | Hi. Thank you. |
| 05:26:26.37 | Unknown | So... We have 4-1 on that item. |
| 05:26:34.66 | Unknown | And Brian will bring you back up. |
| 05:26:35.48 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Bring it back. Yeah. |
| 05:26:37.02 | Unknown | You want to sit down? |
| 05:26:38.52 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Well, no, I'm just curious, Joan, kind of given our budget from last year, what would you propose that we do with the $200,000 that we had set aside for |
| 05:26:51.95 | Unknown | We talked about something different. We talked not about doing economic analysis. We talked about doing branding. We talked about different goals when we discussed our interaction with the business community in connection with the TOT and the BLT. as we'll hear. more. I imagine, in this next item. So I I am. Had this come to us? uh, In January, I would have fully endorsed it because it would dovetail perfectly with the general plan process. I am philosophically opposed to doing this work now. after we've just gone through the visioning process and after we were denied the funding to do the economic analysis that we were seeking for the general plan process. |
| 05:27:45.09 | Unknown | We'll have to talk about that at a different time too. |
| 05:27:47.00 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I do... Okay. Yeah. |
| 05:27:50.29 | Unknown | and maybe we can tell us when that was and what it looked like. |
| 05:27:53.50 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 05:27:55.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:27:55.47 | Unknown | All right. |
| 05:27:57.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:27:57.06 | Unknown | Second. |
| 05:27:57.29 | Unknown | you |
| 05:27:57.99 | Unknown | Mayor, members of council, we are bringing you to tonight an update on the business license tax equity ordinance. This was another item that was presented to the finance committee last week. And they asked us to bring it to the full council so that all of you would have the benefit of this information. Just to go through real quickly, business license ordinances are very common. Over 90% of cities in California use this as one of the ways that they pay for their general fund services. The Sausalito Ordinance was established in 1968 and the last major update was in 1978. The ordinance was designed to streamline the previous ordinance, which had 22 different business categories. The council will recall last year before we put this on the ballot, we had some testimony from different businesses. That even they were confused what category they were in or whether they were paying the correct rate. So this makes the process much simpler. The ordinance also is an equity ordinance in that there were two areas in your previous ordinance that were exempt, namely subcontractors and commercial property owners did not have to pay the business license tax under this new ordinance now. All individuals doing business in Sausalito have to pay the business license tax. The ordinance includes a 13% reduction in the rate for category one, which are the retail and general businesses. And it updated the other rates to current practices in other cities. And then there was a... Delayed implementation, that was a recommendation from the Finance Committee, Council Members Burns and Cox at the time, and that was designed to provide additional time for outreach. One of the things that happened during the process where we went to the community for a vote on this issue is we offered businesses the opportunity to get an estimate on what tax they would pay under both the current ordinance and the new ordinance. And of the 1,700 businesses that are licensed by the city, seven asked for those estimates. And as you can see by the slide, it was a mix of different business types, home occupancy, retail, manufacturing, dental, professional. So it wasn't really any pattern among the seven. And then, um, One of the things that we're anticipating in the upcoming implementation of this ordinance, which is scheduled to start on January 1, The city's contractor HDL is going to, or I shouldn't say going to, they have as of earlier this month, assigned all of the existing businesses one of the four categories. And we're anticipating that there might be some instances where a business might not agree with the assignment. And in those cases, obviously, the service provider and the local businesses in the city will work on those if there are some issues. In terms of the updated information, we did use the time provided by the council to update all the information on the city website about business license programs. So if you go up there as of June, one month before |
| 05:31:15.31 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 05:31:16.86 | Unknown | The first phase of the new ordinance, namely the one that affected unlicensed and new businesses. We updated the municipal code section 504 with Serge's help and the city attorney and code publishing. So that's all up there. You have new forms, new information, FAQs on the new information. And I can tell you that since July 1st, we have now licensed over 190 businesses. To date, there have been no complaints and no issues among that group of 190. Most of the new businesses, perhaps not surprisingly, are contractors. These are folks who when they pull a permit at the, Community development desk have to get a business license, and most of those contractors are out-of-town businesses. And then, In terms of the new licenses, that's then followed by the general category, that's the number two category, and then the service and professional is the third most common among the new licenses. The slide notes that the next phase happens on January 1st. Again, the council's action last year was to give existing businesses a one year period to become familiar with the ordinance and to get information. There was a mailing that went out earlier this month to all existing and exempt businesses, namely the subcontractors and the commercial property owners. It described the new categories for the existing businesses. And then we turn to the Finance Committee action. The committee Well, let me go back a step. There were some comments, the committee discussed the fact that there were some comments that the council received before the ballot measure was placed on the ballot in July of last year. There were some requests for exemptions from the ordinance for seniors and low income residents who operate a business in the community. There were questions about the increases primarily in the service and professional category, which is one of the higher rates. And in response to one of the questions we got after the report went out, some questions about what exactly is a service or professional. And these are some of the examples of the service and professional new businesses that we've received in the last four months. So in that category you have folks like medical, consultants, you have legal, design firms, graphics firms, financial advisors. That sort of thing, so that's the nature of who's in that services and professionals category. It was noted at the committee that the city attorney had indicated that even if the revenue measure passed, which it did, that the rates can be lowered by the council after the measure is adopted. That is, the measure establishes the maximum that the city can charge for a business license, but it doesn't necessarily control what the minimum might be. Um, THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE, The committee had some discussion and in particular there seemed to be some question about whether during the vote on June of last year. To bring this to the voters, whether there was a council commitment to review the rates and categories for existing and exempt firms prior to implementation. And so essentially what the Finance Committee did is they referred both the update, which they got last week, and the ordinance itself to the full council. And, We're going to ask you tonight to not only ask any questions or comments you have about the update so far, but also to provide us with direction and to see if you want to... revisit some of this. And just to give you some numbers, this is out of the report you saw last year, last June on the revenue estimates and this shows you the number of accounts by category and also the estimate of revenue raised and we provided this in part because if the council wants to direct staff to begin to look at adjusting the rates, obviously this will give you a flavor of what financial impact that would have. And then obviously we could come back to the city at mid year to address the reduction in revenue if that were to occur. To look at the fiscal impact on a big picture basis, the ordinance is estimated to bring in an additional $900,000 in new revenue in the current 19-20 fiscal year budget. So far, we've received $30,000 since July 1 from the new and unlicensed businesses. Just to do a theoretical on the services and professionals category, if that one category, not all four, but just that one was to be reduced by 10%, that would be a loss to the city of $90,000 per year. And in addition, there'd be another one time loss of $10,000, which would be the city's cost of sending out new notices, making adjustments, basically money we would have to pay to the service provider. Obviously, if all of the categories were cut by 10% or another number the council might select, the cost would obviously be higher, and there is a question of equity here. Obviously, were to cut the rate one category presumably the people in the other three categories would perhaps talk to the council about getting similar benefit so our recommendation is to review and accept the report to council and then second what we suggest is that You should bring this matter back to the council at mid year, namely in February or March of next year after we've had the renewals in January. So we can see what impact the ordinance actually had on the businesses. How much money was raised? Did we hit the 900? Are we low or are we high? Are there particular businesses that were impacted? any concerns or complaints expressed. As I said, we did not have any from the 190, and now that we've been out a couple weeks from the new businesses, we haven't heard from any of them either. One would imagine that as we get closer to January 1, that'll be the point at which they'll really take a look at the new category and the rates. And if we are going to hear something, that would probably be the point. We also think that that would be the time to look at the potential if there's any unanticipated consequences from the new rates. Or if the council wishes to receive feedback from the business community and the public and make any adjustments. That would be the most appropriate time because again, we could see how the ordinance actually played out. Again, right now what we have for you is the first four months of the new businesses. So we can tell you 190 registered, no complaints, $30,000 in revenue, and In the last two weeks since the notices for the existing businesses and the newly covered businesses, there are no complaints there either. But that, again, could change as January 1 approaches. So with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions or comments. Thank you. |
| 05:38:27.03 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. Thank you. |
| 05:38:29.41 | Ray Withy | Yeah, my question is actually more directed towards the Finance Committee. I haven't actually had a chance to listen to the Finance Committee meeting. I mean, This whole thing was Susan's idea. You know. Why, what do you want from us? Why are we here? |
| 05:38:46.04 | Unknown | PIN. |
| 05:38:46.12 | Ray Withy | about this. |
| 05:38:46.74 | Unknown | So let me share my perspective and I am becoming aware that it might have been a thought in my brain that was never came out. At some point in the discussion of unrolling this part of the tax, not the TOT, but the BLT. Somewhere along the line, we had a conversation that is one of these categories might be heavily impactful to the businesses, and it was under the service and professionals. And somewhere along the line we directed, Brian to take feedback from potential disruptions. to talk to businesses who thought they might be heavily impacted and That we somewhere along the line said, if we find out they've been heavily impacted, we maintain the ability to reduce attacks. We just can't raise it, but as a council, we can reduce it. So all those things have been said here, we can't find the conversation that brought those, In my mind, they did occur where we said, to the community, trust us, if this turns out to be a heavy impact, we have the opportunity to reverse it. We never had that conversation. So Brian received information, we didn't get it. We didn't know who's impacted. I felt that we were getting close to going, and then we did have one resident business who continually asked, when will I hear from you guys on my impact? And I said, well, we're going to get to that. Remember, we still have to build the existing, I mean, the new businesses, and then we're going to go through that process. But we'll get to you before it starts. That was probably erroneous in my point to say that, but that's what I had expected was the exercise we went forth when we told Brian to to deal with businesses that would be impacted. I thought that that information would come to us and then we'd say, you know what? We have so many businesses that are having certain impact, should we consider that? It was a promise that we made to the voters that I thought we should uphold, that we'd have that conversation. This is the conversation, nobody's here. Nobody's written in, of course it's 1230, but |
| 05:40:57.54 | Craig Merrilee | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:40:57.66 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:40:57.68 | Craig Merrilee | No. |
| 05:41:00.80 | Unknown | So nobody else was in my dream either. When I perceive this whole thing about having a conversation with the community about the, I'm not sure. potential impacts of the services. |
| 05:41:11.31 | Unknown | potential impacts of this. I do remember in response to one public comment, Susan Cleveland Knowles saying. uh, to the city attorney. Do we have the power to reduce this tax in some manner for some category should we deem that advisable at some point in the future, and the answer was yes, you may. You will not be able to increase the BLT, but having established the threshold, you may, you have the power to decrease it. |
| 05:41:42.06 | Unknown | And I remember that too, but that came up well after we had already Ben. talking about this and we we had it had come up in other conversations and I don't have it on film so I can't find it. But I know we directed Brian to- To explore. To explore for a purpose. We didn't just say, hey, go talk to all the contractors. We did have a purpose at some point that was expressed because we wouldn't have had that task And he wouldn't have had that. So somewhere along the line, we did say to the voters, we're going to make sure that nobody's heavily impacted. |
| 05:42:18.19 | Unknown | Fortunately, we have no aggrieved voters here complaining to us. |
| 05:42:21.33 | Unknown | Exactly. So we've done our part as far as I'm concerned because Now, they very well might come out later. But I still don't know what the. I don't still know what those seven or eight or however many replied to Brian. Yeah. I still don't know what that data is. I have no idea. I know what the impacts are because I did the math. And those contractors that we're talking about, they're going to pay $91 a year on average. Those service professionals we talked about, they're going to spend on average $1,500. |
| 05:42:50.40 | Unknown | Which I'll tell you. One of them is happily passing those along to me and Ray. |
| 05:42:59.75 | Unknown | I'm late to this, but just one. Apparently I am too. The two tiers for each of these four categories and the lower tier $125 flat fee. However, let's say you're a retired lawyer and you want to hang out your shingle and you only do $1,000 of work in a year. That $125 is a huge tax. If you don't do any work that year, it's a really bad tax. I think that floor should be like, you know, $10,000 If you do $10,000 a business or more, then you owe that tax. Where some floor in there just to protect those real low income folks. If you're an elderly person renting out a room and you get $4,000 for that, Right? Well, no one's going to get that in a year, but there's just some floor level that protects those. And then I have one other question. This came from a concerned citizen. Are we applying these taxes to the bike rental companies? And I had that discussion, but I'd like that to have affirmed. you |
| 05:44:10.10 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 05:44:10.27 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:44:10.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:44:11.50 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | And the two are both of the |
| 05:44:13.07 | Unknown | Yes, and I can tell you that some of those companies have taken out licenses and have been licensed for some time. Some are not, and the same is true with the tour buses, and that is another. discussion that we had before this was put on the ballot. And essentially what we said is our recommendation at the staff level is let's do the education campaign first that the Finance Committee asked for, we've done that. Let's see how it goes. And then after January 1, which is, of course, the big push and all that's behind us, then let's look at what I'm calling this, by the way, the enforcement issues. Let's look at that because there could be some other areas where there are people that the city is deeming to be in business that perhaps are not paying. So that is on our radar. And I think we'll probably have to work both with HDL and probably the city attorney as well to get into little discussions like what constitutes doing business in the city. Is it, if the bus stops in the city then they have to be licensed, but if they just kind of come in and out. Is that close enough? And the same is true with the bicycle folks. If they have a presence here, they clearly have to have a license. If they start their bicycle ride in San Francisco and drop their bike off or whatever it gets into some legal interpretations, I think, in terms of that. But the good news is some of those companies, have I guess we could say voluntarily taken out licenses. So some of them are licensed as far as the rest of them. Again, it's a legal slash enforcement question, we're going to have to do some homework on that. But we thought in the scheme of things, with 1700 existing businesses, we thought let's take care of those folks first in terms of giving them information, making sure they're in the right category. We did the estimates for the seven folks, all that stuff, that's our top priority. and in particular the people who are in town doing business. And then we'll focus on the subcontractors that are out of town, some of the other folks, and the buses and the bike folks. |
| 05:46:11.47 | Unknown | And that in a separate conversation that same resident had in asking about rental units. |
| 05:46:17.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:46:19.42 | Unknown | He also asked in that same email, I think, the impact on rental units. Just a quick math on that, based on these numbers, the number of people that will pull accounts, they're averaging $199 or $200. For a license and that's on rents averaging of 62.5. So, if you rent for 62,500 income, it's $200. So again, there's two categories in here. |
| 05:46:45.93 | Craig Merrilee | 62. |
| 05:46:54.30 | Unknown | non-impactful, and the third one that we reduced. So through the whole thing, there was only one category that had any real impact on the community and that was the |
| 05:47:04.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:47:05.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:47:05.05 | Unknown | and professionals. I was just trying to capture low income. And an exclusion for seniors I don't think makes sense because there's a lot of very well off seniors. |
| 05:47:14.75 | Unknown | Yeah, did we actually implant, because I know at one point we said no to that, did we come back and say yes to that? |
| 05:47:19.27 | Unknown | The council ultimately passed it without any of that language, but again, come mid-year, we could look at if that's the direction of the council. |
| 05:47:29.03 | Unknown | I do think that evaluating this mid year when we have the data is the right approach. |
| 05:47:34.17 | Unknown | No, I agree. |
| 05:47:35.29 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 05:47:35.42 | Unknown | Yes, I'll follow that. Yeah, and again, that will be the other point at which if there are complaints or issues of these, as everybody's talking about the unintended consequences, we'll hear about them. |
| 05:47:36.52 | Unknown | Yeah, and again, |
| 05:47:45.02 | Unknown | Sure, I was reacting to covering our promise during campaign because I remember specifically that we had Brian do a task. And that was to see who's going to get damaged and let's talk about it and we never did. Unless somebody else had a conversation, but I never saw any of that data, and I still have it. |
| 05:48:05.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:48:05.97 | Unknown | Thank you for indulging me. |
| 05:48:07.30 | Unknown | Are we going to do this? |
| 05:48:07.75 | Unknown | It's my second to last meeting. |
| 05:48:08.60 | Unknown | public comment. |
| 05:48:10.17 | Unknown | I'm open up to public comment on this item. Is there anybody who would like to speak on this item? Seeing none, I'll close public comment. and a motion to do that very thing? Or we just, we're gonna- |
| 05:48:19.74 | Unknown | or anything or we just, we're gonna? Yeah, we receive and accept the report. Is what the staff report said again? |
| 05:48:25.54 | Unknown | I have to re-log in to figure out what we're doing. |
| 05:48:30.55 | Unknown | Second. |
| 05:48:31.03 | Unknown | There hasn't been an iPad that stays on one. |
| 05:48:32.71 | Unknown | If there's a motion and a second. |
| 05:48:33.88 | Unknown | I'm still getting into it. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Passes 5-0. |
| 05:48:38.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:48:38.50 | Steven Woodside | Thank you. |
| 05:48:38.52 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 05:48:38.75 | Steven Woodside | Bye. |
| 05:48:43.28 | Unknown | Okay, really quickly, our community and council member reports. Would anybody like to start? |
| 05:48:48.25 | Unknown | Yes. I'm going to shortcut my reports, but the most important thing I need to tell you is that Councilmember Tom Riley and I attended a BCDC meeting today. in preparation for a meeting of their enforcement committee on November 20. Although one month ago when they noticed that meeting they told us that we would be that we would be welcome to provide public comment. We were told at that time we would not be invited to make a presentation. That information changed today. So we are now invited and requested to make a presentation on November 20. One day after our November 19, City Council meeting. It's typically my practice to bring to you my draft presentation I learned of this today at two O'clock. And the draft is due tomorrow. If I'm to bring it to the City Council. On Tuesday. So, and I have work commitments and there's no way I can get a draft done tomorrow. but The good news is that the report is, the questions they asked, closely track the report that we've made to them in September. So they want, they asked some of the same questions that we already addressed in our September report, and then they want to know what we've done between September and now, which is, we've housed our first safe harbor. participant, we have identified five. So I, in my humble opinion, There is not anything controversial to be included in the updated report. It will closely track the report. If I'm able to get something done, By Thursday in time for the agenda, or as late mail, I will do that. but I'd like direction or the blessing to not have to bring that back because it's just going to kill me to do that by for Tuesday's meeting. |
| 05:50:53.28 | Unknown | Right. |
| 05:50:55.07 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I mean, I've... I'll take your word for the fact that there's nothing controversial in it. |
| 05:50:57.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:51:03.08 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Sounds like there's just |
| 05:51:04.35 | Unknown | And if I am able to put, look, I'm exhausted today because it's 1230, 1245, but if I'm able to rally, |
| 05:51:04.38 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Okay. |
| 05:51:11.44 | Jan Johnson | Yeah. |
| 05:51:11.47 | Unknown | Thank you. tomorrow and or Thursday, I will, I definitely will. |
| 05:51:15.52 | Jan Johnson | Okay. All right. |
| 05:51:16.87 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. So, well, the first thing I wanted to say is I had promised my son, whose 15th birthday it is today, or was actually yesterday, that I would wish him happy birthday. quickly. |
| 05:51:32.53 | Steven Woodside | I trust. |
| 05:51:32.90 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | You're not going to sing it though. I trust that- Happy birthday. So happy birthday to Jack. I'm very proud of him, freshman at town. So that's that. And then we did have a great meeting of the Transportation Authority of Marin. It's been alluded to in some public correspondence that we got. But for the, I think one of the first times Sausalito qualified for the safe routes to school. Grant funding, so we got $400,000 to address Coloma Street crossing where kids coming from the north end of town or Marin City can now come through our newly renovated MLK Park and cross safely, or they will be able to cross safely over Coloma. The great thing about that is it also will have some benefits for seniors and other residents living. |
| 05:51:34.34 | Unknown | Happy birthday. |
| 05:52:24.74 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | um, on a lima and cloma so that's great and then another forty thousand dollars for nevada street improvements so that was exciting |
| 05:52:27.80 | Sheila Keough | Thank you. them. |
| 05:52:35.71 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | And then we have the Finance Committee. I think we've talked about most of those issues. The only thing that did come up at the Finance Committee that we haven't talked about is an update on the progress of the Mud Slide Task Force. And so there will be, I think, a request for proposals going out for a consultant to look at doing a study, a geologic study. I'm not using the right word right now. |
| 05:53:03.49 | Unknown | I'm not using the right word right now. But that's a good time to address a public comment from earlier that |
| 05:53:08.75 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 05:53:09.04 | Unknown | Staff has reviewed all those items and put together a. |
| 05:53:09.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:53:13.99 | Unknown | path of what they can nibble off given their workload |
| 05:53:14.14 | Unknown | I passed. |
| 05:53:19.59 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 05:53:24.40 | Ray Withy | I actually have nothing to report. We have an Omit meeting tomorrow, but I'll report on that next time. Thank you. |
| 05:53:31.74 | Unknown | Okay, I'll be brief. Just to reiterate what Joan said on BCDC, I think it was a good meeting. BCDC does want to see a plan from RBRA by early next spring and they look for input from Sausalito. So I commend Joan on running a very efficient meeting at BCDC today. We also had a legislative committee meeting today and five items, and I'll just summarize these real quick. We talked about new state housing laws with respect to ADU regulations. And at our December 10th meeting, we want to understand what changes we may need to make before January. We got an update on potential development agreements with non-storefront and storefront cannabis operations. We discussed |
| 05:54:04.44 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 05:54:21.74 | Unknown | our need to improve our trees and views ordinances and the notification processes, especially when it's public property. We talked about modifications to Chapter 3.3 on procedures for public works projects and budget allocations. And finally, Initiate a conversation on what are things we can do. With respect to public safety power shutoffs in the future to make our residents more prepared and are there any ordinances we can pass to put requirements for notifications of our city. So those were good discussions. You guys chewed off a lot on that meeting. |
| 05:55:02.56 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:55:02.58 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, that was a lot. |
| 05:55:02.74 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:55:02.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:55:02.86 | Unknown | you |
| 05:55:02.95 | Unknown | you |
| 05:55:04.75 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | That sounds like a good future agenda item, too, once you guys have. |
| 05:55:10.83 | Ray Withy | Could I ask a question maybe of city attorney. Um, Do we The Legislative Committee, is that a Brown Act publicly noticed meeting? |
| 05:55:23.35 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 05:55:23.80 | Ray Withy | So we publish agendas. |
| 05:55:25.34 | Mary Wagner | Yes. |
| 05:55:25.81 | Ray Withy | Okay. Do we publish minutes? |
| 05:55:26.35 | Mary Wagner | Do we publish? We haven't published minutes in the past. We do video the meetings. Oh, okay. That answers the question. |
| 05:55:31.79 | Ray Withy | Oh, okay. That answers my question then, if it's video. |
| 05:55:38.55 | Unknown | I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE I haven't had anything since the last meeting, but I do want to bring up the previous meeting, the bike and ped committee meeting that I was at. They have a working document, and I know you referenced it at our last meeting, I believe. So I want to make sure that the public knows and this committee knows. In the minutes of, or the agenda of that last PBAC meeting, there's a document that has blue links to each white sheet on each project that they've proposed. So from the bridgeway to the Nevada street to the, so everything that they've brought up. And then that's also kind of interactive with staff so that they can kind of see what the priority is and where the next one to nibble off. The money is such a great idea, I mean it's such a great outcome. That's a great idea. It's always a great idea. More money. It's such a great outcome. It's how that's all come about is just really ideal. So I can't wait. We're going to have staff start digging in. I know that they want to put paint on the streets right away. It takes a little longer than that. That was good news. |
| 05:56:44.42 | Susan Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, super exciting. |
| 05:56:46.68 | Unknown | City manager report, any public comment on the city manager report or items 8A, 8C, or D? Any public comments? Seeing none, I'll open up to the city manager. |
| 05:56:59.82 | Unknown | Okay. Two quick items, you got an email from Yulia Carter asking for dates available for the various consultants that we are starting to work with. So if you have not responded, you'd like to share that with me at the end of the meeting, that would be helpful so that we can get these meetings scheduled. If you have responded, thank you very much. And that's all. I can't remember the second one. Too late. I had two items. |
| 05:57:26.50 | Unknown | like. |
| 05:57:30.50 | Unknown | All right, and on appointments to boards, commissions, and committees, I have none tonight, but I will note that our city clerk, Serge, worked with . Look at that. Yep. I'm losing everybody's name too. And they put together an article that went out and we're really soliciting for, what was it, five boards on there that we had openings for? |
| 05:57:51.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:57:52.03 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 05:57:52.08 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 05:57:52.12 | Unknown | Plenty of time to get involved. We had a room full of people tonight. I should have had flyers out for them all. |
| 05:57:55.49 | Unknown | Mr. Mayor, I remember the second one. It's the calendar, once you've been served, he sent out the draft calendar. I know he received some comments from council members. If you have an opportunity, please review it, because we do want to finalize that as we go into the next year. |
| 05:58:12.03 | Unknown | Thank you. All right, anything else to go to the order? I will adjourn the meeting. |
Sandra Bushmaker — Neutral: Provided an update on Mudslide Task Force recommendations, emphasizing the need for geotechnical assessments and hazard mapping, with a deadline for staff response. ▶ 📄
Jim Henry — In Favor: Supported Willow Creek Academy, detailing funding deficits and legal battles with the district, calling for community involvement and support. ▶ 📄
Sonia Hanson — Neutral: Requested a larger meeting venue to accommodate public participation, especially for upcoming general plan discussions. ▶ 📄
Chris Durbin — Neutral: Discussed school district unification efforts post-investigation, encouraging collaboration and resolution of lawsuits to create a world-class school. ▶ 📄
Kieron Kelligan — In Favor: Raised bicycle and pedestrian safety concerns, urging action on specific infrastructure improvements like crosswalks and loading zones. ▶ 📄
Jeff Jacobs — Against: Critiqued segregation in schools, transportation, and community facilities, expressing readiness for legal action to address these issues. ▶ 📄