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| 00:00:00.98 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So would you like to read the opening remarks? |
| 00:00:04.10 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Yes, thank you. Good evening, Mayor Cleveland Knowles, members of the city council. This meeting is being held pursuant to section three of executive order N-29-20 issued by Governor Newsom on March 17th, 2020. And all members are joining this meeting telephonically through Zoom. |
| 00:00:21.90 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, welcome everyone. Welcome to the special joint city council and planning commission meeting of Wednesday, June 17th. We are going to open the meeting of the city council first. consider approval of our consent calendar and then start the joint city council and planning commission meeting on the draft EIR. Just a brief announcement to the public that we cannot start discussion of the EIR until seven. So if you're here for that item, you can Tune back in at 7 o'clock. Thank you. Could the clerk please call the roll? |
| 00:00:57.98 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Councilmember Riley? here. Council Member Burns? Thank you. |
| 00:01:01.93 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:01:02.67 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Councilmember Cox. |
| 00:01:04.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:05.14 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Vice Mayor Withey. |
| 00:01:06.57 | Unknown | here. |
| 00:01:07.89 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Mayor Cleveland Knowles. Here. All members are present and there is a quorum. |
| 00:01:13.20 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great thank you okay the first item on our agenda tonight is consent calendar for the city council and there are three items related to the Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District pump station encroachment agreements. And I will ask if there are any questions or comments from council members, and then we'll open it up to public comment. |
| 00:01:46.46 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Seeing no questions from council members, I will Ask the city clerk to announce public comment. |
| 00:01:56.55 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | this time members of the public may address the city council regarding agenda item 2a consent calendar. Public comment will be accepted by video or audio audience participation via Zoom. The video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in a Zoom application and you will be called upon when it's your time to speak. To raise your hand from a phone, press star nine. Each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed. |
| 00:02:28.16 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, and I am scrolling down the list of participants here in our meeting and I do not see any public comment. Could the clerk please confirm? |
| 00:02:39.21 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | You are correct, Mayor Cleveland Knowles. There are no hands raised. |
| 00:02:43.26 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so we will, I'll ask for a motion on the consent calendar. |
| 00:02:47.04 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | We just had, excuse me, Mayor Cleveland Knowles, a hand was just raised. Yes, I see that. |
| 00:02:52.04 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:02:52.66 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thank you. |
| 00:02:52.75 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:02:52.76 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thank you. |
| 00:02:52.85 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Michael and son, |
| 00:02:55.55 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thank you. will unmute and ask to start their video. |
| 00:03:02.72 | Unknown | Hi, good evening. Sorry, our video is kind of not working on this machine, but we're residents of Whiskey Springs and we've been working extensively with the planning commission and it has been a long road. And I don't know if this comment is even necessary, but we're just speaking in favor of the plan that is proposed and we hope that |
| 00:03:26.56 | Councilmember Riley | or the Hold on, don't. |
| 00:03:28.08 | Unknown | Right, for the Coloma pump station, And we hope that we want to praise the people who've been working on this, especially Kevin at the, Sorry, at the Sanitary District. |
| 00:03:39.14 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:03:39.49 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Sanitary. |
| 00:03:41.50 | Unknown | And we just hope that this is going to move forward this evening. |
| 00:03:45.97 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you very much. Appreciate your contact. Okay, just wait another minute here and make sure that we don't have any additional public comment. And yeah, I would note that these three items were also approved previously by the Planning Commission. So I see no additional raise hands. Do I have a motion to approve our consent items? |
| 00:04:09.71 | Vice Mayor Withy | Yes, Madam Mayor, I move to adopt consent calendar item 2A. Thank you. |
| 00:04:20.36 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, we have a motion and a second from Council Member Burns. Could the clerk please call the roll. |
| 00:04:26.47 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thank you. Councilmember Riley? |
| 00:04:29.44 | Councilmember Riley | Yes. |
| 00:04:30.94 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Councilmember Burns? |
| 00:04:33.85 | Councilmember Burns | Yes. |
| 00:04:35.01 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Councilmember Cox. It's a great day. |
| 00:04:36.63 | Councilmember Cox | Yeah. |
| 00:04:36.80 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Yes. Vice Mayor Withey? |
| 00:04:38.89 | Vice Mayor Withey | Thank you. |
| 00:04:38.91 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes. |
| 00:04:39.87 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Mayor Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:04:41.73 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes. So that brings us to item, to our special meeting with the planning commission. But as I announced earlier, due to the notice that went out, we cannot start our meeting. hearing until we can't start the DEIR hearing until seven o'clock. So we are going to take a brief recess and then have the planning commission that come back and join. us for our joint meeting. So thank you and apologies to the members of the public that came a little early. We'll see you soon. |
| 00:05:24.74 | Councilmember Riley | Bye. you you |
| 00:05:25.87 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | The website started. |
| 00:05:25.94 | Councilmember Riley | I would say start. |
| 00:05:27.96 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | So mayor Cleveland Knowles we are ready to resume the meeting. |
| 00:05:32.30 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great. I will call this meeting special meeting of the Sausalito Planning Commission and the Sausalito City Council. Wednesday June 17th back to order after a short recess. Welcome our planning commission and ask Chair Nichols to please bring the Planning Commission to order with a roll call. |
| 00:06:01.87 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I think you're muted, Vicki. Thank you. |
| 00:06:03.67 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. Let's see if I can get that on done. Looks like I'm okay now. |
| 00:06:09.10 | Susan's iPad (Unknown) | Can you hear me? STATE. |
| 00:06:11.23 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:06:11.40 | Susan's iPad (Unknown) | Thank you. |
| 00:06:11.42 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:06:11.53 | Susan's iPad (Unknown) | Thank you. |
| 00:06:11.55 | Charlene Eldon | Thank you. |
| 00:06:11.63 | Susan's iPad (Unknown) | you |
| 00:06:11.72 | Charlene Eldon | Thank you. |
| 00:06:11.74 | Susan's iPad (Unknown) | Thank you. |
| 00:06:13.85 | Vicki Nichols | here. |
| 00:06:15.79 | Charlene Eldon | Thank you. |
| 00:06:15.80 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:06:15.82 | Charlene Eldon | Yeah. |
| 00:06:16.46 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:06:16.50 | Charlene Eldon | We're going to... |
| 00:06:16.70 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, sorry. So Lily, would you please call the roll for the planning commissioners? |
| 00:06:23.72 | Heidi Scoble | Sure. Good evening, Commissioner Fowler. here. Commissioner Grass. |
| 00:06:29.24 | Commissioner Grass | here. |
| 00:06:30.99 | Heidi Scoble | Commissioner Pierce. Vice Chair Kellman. Here. Thank you. |
| 00:06:38.18 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Lily. |
| 00:06:39.26 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:06:40.34 | Heidi Scoble | We have all members present and there is a forum. |
| 00:06:43.55 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Before we start our public hearing item, I just wanted to announce that the city of Sausalito will close early this Friday, Juneteenth. in commemoration of that holiday that commemorates the ending of slavery. And I just wanted to thank council member Cox for her suggestion and the city manager for his quick and swift adoption of that idea. And I also understand there will be a celebration about three o'clock I think happening in one city on that day. So hopefully we'll see. Any of you there. Okay, so we have Yes, thank you. Okay, we have one public hearing item at our joint meeting. which is to solicit comments on the City of Sausalito 2040 General Plan Draft Environmental Impact Report. and that draft is available on the website. at sausalito general plan.org Our public hearing item is solicitation of comments on the draft EIR. And first, Carbon Solutions, the environmental consultant, will be giving a presentation. We'll then have questions from the council and the planning commission and open the item up for public comment. So welcome to Carbon Solutions. I believe Lisa Davidson is here. Thank you for being here. We also have staff from the M Group, Tom Ford, Jeff Bradley and Asher Cohen joining us this evening. You're welcome and we look forward to your presentation. |
| 00:08:21.57 | Charlene Eldon | I like that. |
| 00:08:27.01 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So I'm not getting audio. |
| 00:08:30.55 | Unknown | Okay, thanks. |
| 00:08:34.08 | Lisa Davidson | First only, my I'll need my cell phone unmuted. |
| 00:08:39.63 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 00:08:49.11 | Jeff Bradley | That's the 415 number. |
| 00:08:53.47 | Lisa Davidson | Perfect. Okay, can you hear me? Okay. And I guess the second thing I'll need is, uh, for somebody to allow me to, uh, I guess share the screen with me so I can run the presentation. |
| 00:09:14.88 | Lisa Davidson | Oh, looks like I might be able to grab it. Oh. Can everybody see that? |
| 00:09:19.57 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 00:09:21.06 | Charlene Eldon | Thank you. |
| 00:09:21.07 | Lisa Davidson | Thank you. |
| 00:09:21.09 | Charlene Eldon | Adios. |
| 00:09:21.46 | Councilmember Riley | Thank you. |
| 00:09:22.51 | Lisa Davidson | Oh, okay. Well, that was easy. |
| 00:09:24.31 | Charlene Eldon | That's what we can. |
| 00:09:24.60 | Lisa Davidson | Let me get it. Perfect. Okay, great. So, Today we're here for the city of Sausalito 24-7. 2040 general plan draft EIR. the public hearing and the intent And the purpose is to solicit comments on the public draft EIR. |
| 00:09:45.81 | Sandra Bushmaker | public. |
| 00:09:50.72 | Lisa Davidson | I wanted to first go over the presentation, give you an overview. We'll go through introductions. I'll give a project overview. I'll then go into the environmental review process. I'll give you an overview of the draft EIR, and then we'll go into the purpose of the |
| 00:10:12.83 | Lisa Davidson | So first we have the city of Sausalito who is serving as the lead agency. or the |
| 00:10:19.45 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 00:10:20.22 | Lisa Davidson | EIR. We have M Group who's prepared the general plan I'm the project manager that I was overseeing preparation of the EIR. I have Mary Bean. on the call. She's the project director. And I also have Phil Ault, he's our in-house noise and air quality scientists. And then I have David Parisi and Patrick Goliere with Parisi Transportation. consulting as well, joining us. in case any transportation questions arise. |
| 00:11:03.56 | Lisa Davidson | So I wanted to describe the planning area for the Sausalito General Plan. The city of Faustledo encompasses about 2.1 square miles. Currently, there's a population of about 7,200 people. and the general plan planning area encompasses about 1,730 acres. And that's land within the city limits and also within the sphere of influence. This slide depicts an aerial map of the Sausalito planning area, The area outlined in black shows the Sausalito city limits And then the area that's outlined in yellow shows the sphere of influence. |
| 00:11:48.60 | Lisa Davidson | So the Sausalito 2040 general plan is the proposed project. It was analyzed in the EIR. THE END OF The proposed general plan brings the existing general plan up to date It refines the objectives, policies, and programs. to reflect current regulations and also guide development over the next 20 years. It incorporates the objectives, policies, and programs of the Marinship-specific plan, And it considers land uses within the city limits and also within the sphere of influence. So the Fossilito 24 general plan has a number of elements. They're all listed here on the slide. The general plan contains all the required elements elements required by the state of California, but also some optional elements that are included. as well. This slide depicts the land use map for the 2040 general plans. |
| 00:13:01.43 | Lisa Davidson | And then also in the project description, we describe the potential buildout under the general plan. So this is what is anticipated to occur within the planning area over the next 20 years. So this slide shows potential residential buildout. So you can see it's broken down by land use designation. And under existing conditions, there are about 4,800 dwelling units. And then under the general plan for the next 20 years, They're projected to be about 300 new dwelling units. And so at build-outs, there could be about 5,100 Dwelling units. |
| 00:13:47.95 | Lisa Davidson | The project description also identifies potential build out for non-residential uses in the planning area. Again, by land use designation, The existing square feet of non-residential uses is about 2.1 million. Under the general plan, there are projected to be about 734,000 new square feet of commercial and industrial development, And then a general plan filled out. the city could see a total of 2.8 million square feet. The 2040 general plan EIR contains a number of objectives. for the proposed general plan. I'm going to, talk about a few of those. One of the objectives is to reflect the current goals and vision of the community. address issues and concerns of the community. Maintain us. maintain small scale neighborhoods while supporting a range of housing options recognize and perpetuate the city's scenic features natural and built environment. history AND diverse culture. Another objective is to encourage businesses and activities with high municipal revenue generation potential, but also with low environmental impact. Another objective is to preserve the waterfront as a natural resource while balancing the needs and desires of the water-dependent businesses, |
| 00:15:28.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:15:29.86 | Lisa Davidson | water related activities and public amenities. |
| 00:15:37.18 | Lisa Davidson | Another objective is to recognize the marinship's role and importance to the Bay Area and the city. and that's to encourage industrial, art, and water dependent or water related activities in the Marin safeguard the natural environment, and ensure community health, safety, and resilience. provide various circulation options through and within the city. manage tourism, to minimize community impacts while supporting quality visitor experience. and seek innovative and sustainable solutions to sea level rise with county and regional agencies and innovators. Now I'd like to talk a little bit about the environmental review process. The California Environmental Quality Act, or CEQA, defines a general plan update as a project. So as such, this proposed 2040 general plan is subjects. Thank you. to CEQA. The purpose is to identify and mitigate significant environmental impacts of a project, which is the proposed general plan in this case. An environmental impact report, or an EIR, is the highest level of CEQA review, and it provides an impartial evaluation of a project's impact. |
| 00:16:55.00 | Commissioner Grass | environmental |
| 00:17:05.32 | Lisa Davidson | and an EIR was prepared for the 2040 general plans. EIRs do not make recommendations on project approval. And the city of Sausalito is the lead agency for Sequest. I wanted to now go into the environmental review timeline The first step is to publish a notice of preparation. letting people know that an EIR is going to be prepared and soliciting any feedback at that time to incorporate in the EIR. The NOP, Notice of Preparation, was circulated |
| 00:17:40.64 | Unknown | NOV. |
| 00:17:43.71 | Lisa Davidson | from October to December of last year. We held a scoping meeting on November 4 of last year to solicit feedback. Step two is to release the draft EIR, which we did on June 4th. We are having a public hearing on that draft EIR right now. And then we will receive comments on the draft EIR through July 20th. Another step is to prepare the final EIR. That's when we respond to the comments WE RECEIVE and we make revisions to the draft EIR as needed. And then the last step is that there will be a public hearing or hearing to certify the final EIR and also approve the Sausalito 2040 general plan. |
| 00:18:38.81 | Lisa Davidson | This slide identifies the contents of our draft EIR. It contains a project description. 16 environmental topical sections. all of which include cumulative effect. and alternatives analysis. section, other CEQA considerations. That's where we talk about growth inducement potential. found not to be significant And then appendices to support. our analysis. this This slide depicts all of the environmental review topics that we went into detail in the EIR, so there's 16 of them here. |
| 00:19:24.52 | Lisa Davidson | I wanted to now touch on the conclusions of the draft EIR. for significant and unavoidable impacts, there were none. So what that means is for any potentially significant impacts, that was identified |
| 00:19:38.50 | Unknown | that was identified. |
| 00:19:40.61 | Lisa Davidson | It was, it was, found to be reduced to less than significant. So the result was no significant unavoidable impact the impacts that were reduced to less and significant were all of those on the previous slide for all 16 environmental topics. They were all found to be less than significant And the reason they were found to be less insignificant was that . Future projects would comply with federal, state, and local regulations. It would comply with the 2040 general plan policies and programs and they would adhere to the SOSLITO municipal code. And so with all of that, the impacts were found to be less than significant. The effects found not to be significant were related to agriculture. and forestry resources and also mineral resources. |
| 00:20:38.79 | Lisa Davidson | I want to now go into some of the environmental topics of public concerns during the scoping meeting and also in receiving comment letters on the NOP that were a couple topics of concern. So I wanted to highlight those and kind of how those were addressed in the EIR. So one topic was related to biological resources. There was concern about the natural springs. and in the planning area and then the wildlife that use that. And so the concern was that it. was for these to be protected from development under the general plan. So one way that these resources are protected is from regulations. Those streams are jurisdictional waters of the U.S. They're protected by the Federal Clean Water Act. So they have that protection. Also, projects must must obtain a California Department of Fish and Wildlife that alteration agreement. to alter a stream or its thing. |
| 00:21:49.80 | Lisa Davidson | The general plan also includes programs and policies to protect that we're going to have and streams and wildlife that use them. One program here says identify and protect natural resources as conditions of project approval. So that's when projects come in. And then policy E.T. 463 discourages construction in riparian areas. Another concern was regarding the mission blue butterfly, which is an endangered species. This species is protected by the Federal Endangered Species Act from non-permitted takes. So we've got some federal regulations that protect butterflies. but also the general plan has a policy that, protect threatened and endangered species of wildlife and plants native to Sausalito and the southern Marin area. Another environmental topic of concern is related to historical resources. And so there are regulations that protect those as well. So the national historic places, four of which are in the city, are protected by the National Historic Preservation Act, California Historical Resources, 100 of which are in the city, |
| 00:23:12.39 | Unknown | I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE |
| 00:23:14.50 | Lisa Davidson | are protected by the State Office of Historic Preservation. The city historic resources were, and there's 33 of those, are protected by the Historic Preservation Commission. The general plan has policies also to protect historic resources. The first policy here says preserve marinship history and give preference to marine and maritime uses. Policy CD13, encourage development near historic districts and landmarks. to be compatible. There are also some programs in the general plan to protect historic resources, The first one is to preserve period structures And the second one is promote adaptive reuse of historic structures. |
| 00:24:08.72 | Lisa Davidson | Another topic of concern is related to subsidence, liquefaction, and hillside stability. there's a very high liquefaction susceptibility along Bridgeway and in the northern portion of the city. AND I THINK THAT'S A we found compliance with the California Building Code would ensure that those new structures could withstand the seismic shaking within those those types of soils. conditions. Additionally, most of the development under the general plan would be located in the low-lying areas and those have a lower potential for soil erosion. And then the general plan has a number of policies and programs to help Thank you. to help with liquefaction hillside stability concerns. The first program is collaborate with the county on multi-jurisdiction local hazard mitigation plans. amend zoning ordinance to require geologic feasibility reports, for new buildings or significant additions, required geotechnical reports for appropriate grading and building permits. and identify areas for hillside development design guidelines. |
| 00:25:35.96 | Lisa Davidson | Another concern that came up was THE END OF THE END OF THE Marinship Contamination. The marine ship was originally developed as a liberty ship construction area. And there is lead-based paint and other hazardous materials used in shipbuilding that's regularly found in these areas. So the general plan does have a program, which requires a phase one hazardous materials assessment. for development in AND SO WHAT THAT IS, I THINK, What that assessment does is it identifies any potential hazards on a site and then identifies ways that those hazards can be mitigated. through the development process. that. |
| 00:26:22.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:26:22.32 | Lisa Davidson | to. make sure that those hazardous conditions are I'm not sure. mitigated. |
| 00:26:31.02 | Lisa Davidson | Another topic of concern was related to flooding and sea level rise. The low-lying and unprotected coastal areas are at risk. And most of the planning area is in a 100-year FEMA So those are you know, valid, valid concerns. through the general plan as projects come forward. the storm drain infrastructure will be updated during street improvements projects. to help with the with the uh, flow of water and runoff. |
| 00:27:03.85 | Commissioner Grass | I'm not. |
| 00:27:07.56 | Lisa Davidson | so it doesn't exacerbate the flooding and sea level rise conditions. The general plan has a policy regarding flooding sea level rise and that's to collaborate regional regionally on water quality and sea level rise. And then the general plan has a number of programs to address those concerns. So one is to continue FEMA flood insurance programs planning. community rating system. support the state sea level rise studies. consider localized. Consider a localized sea level rise study. and THE END OF THE END OF THE shoreline flooding identification will be required for site plans. So as those projects come in, Um, issues will be addressed. Another concern was regarding safety and transportation. pedestrian safety, safety of bicycles, safety of vehicles traveling on the road, compatibility between all of those. And, um, The South Gateway Complete Street Study did identify improvements to reduce some bicycle and vehicular conflicts and improve safety so that will ease that concerns The bicycle master plan is in place and that seeks to improve safety and compatibility. The Capital Improvement Program addresses the Bridgeway Easterby Street Turn Lane. And then the general plan has policies and programs, again, and promote safety. And so the first policy is to provide safe streets and trails for bicyclists. that. The program is to support safe routes to school programs. So that's for children that are walking or biking to school that they can get there safely. up. The next policy is to provide safe streets and paths for pedestrians Program CP581 coordinate with schools to identify safe routes All to make sure they have that safe I'm not sure. way to get to school. And then the last program here is implement complete street. |
| 00:29:31.25 | Lisa Davidson | And the last concern I wanted to talk about is vehicle miles traveled. There's concern that build out of the general plan is going to, bring in additional vehicles through Sausalito, tourists, and residents and that things will be more congested We determined in the EIR that the vehicle miles traveled are going to be similar or reduced under the general plan. And that's because most of the development will occur as infill development and there will be VMT reduction programs, that's vehicle miles traveled reduction programs implemented to to reduce those traffic congestion impacts. Also about 95% of the city is already along high quality transit corridors. There's the Golden Gate Ferry, the Golden Gate Bus Transit. I'm. being proximate to San Francisco is a plus. A lot of people use that transit to get to and from work. |
| 00:30:31.95 | Unknown | it. |
| 00:30:36.59 | Unknown | PRANCE. |
| 00:30:41.35 | Lisa Davidson | and the general plan had some programs in place help address vehicle miles traveled and congestion, The first program here is for the city to perform an annual traffic report card on LOS and DMT LOS is level of service, and that's being phased out right now. in the SQL world. And then VMT is, now ramping up and beginning of July is going to be required for all environmental documents. that analysis. The next program is commuter VNT reduction strategies for businesses. And then the last program here is to update the trip reduction ordinance to require employers with 50 or more employees to offer transportation alternative incentives. Another part of the EIR is, uh, and alternatives analysis. So we analyzed three different alternatives. The first alternative is the no project 1995 general plan alternative. So under this alternative, development would be similar to the proposed 2040 general plan. 300 new residential units, the same that we've projected where feed of commercial and industrial uses the big difference is that no new policies or programs would be implemented. So no new policies or programs for sustainability, climate resiliency. sea level rise. release of pollutants due to project site inundation. That was a new policy that would |
| 00:32:25.50 | Commissioner Grass | you. |
| 00:32:27.47 | Lisa Davidson | identified through the EIR preparation process and then |
| 00:32:27.64 | Unknown | . |
| 00:32:27.68 | Commissioner Grass | I didn't. |
| 00:32:27.91 | Unknown | Yep. |
| 00:32:31.84 | Lisa Davidson | and just let this other one here, vibration impacts near historic resources, again, a new policy and that was, identified during the EIR preparation. So that one wouldn't be implemented. |
| 00:32:40.06 | Unknown | And, |
| 00:32:45.04 | Lisa Davidson | And then there's some wildland fire management policies and programs, so again, those, would be implemented under this alternative. The next alternative analyzed is the increased mixed use housing alternative So this was an alternative in which we assumed and increase in residential development potential in mixed use commercial areas. What would that look like? And that would be a net increase of 71 housing units at build out. as compared to the general plan. our proposed project commercial and industrial. projected square footage would be the same. as the proposed 2040 general plan. And then the last alternative we analyzed was the decreased commercial and industrial alternatives. And under this, This alternative would see a net decrease of about 58,000 square feet of commercial uses and a net decrease of about 29,000 square feet of industrial. uses as compared to the proposed project, which is the 2040 general plan and residential would be the same. So no change to that. So that takes us to the purpose of this meeting, and that is to allow the public to provide comments on the public draft EIR. We're going to be writing down people's comments as they speak, but we also encourage speakers to provide written comments. It's just nice to have that as well as we're responding to comments You can send your comments by email to cdd.com. at Sausalito.gov. or you can mail them in to 420-Lithos-free And I just wanted to reiterate that no decisions are being made about the proposed 2040 general plan of this meeting. We are just taking comments on the EIR. And with that, I would like to ask the city council to open the public hearing to receive public comment on the proposed the 2040 general plan draft EIR. We're looking for comments related to the adequacy of the draft EIR. And then I'm also going to ask the City Council to continue to accept comments on the draft EIR to July 20. Um, And we will be doing that as a part of the CEQA process too. put it out there in case city council wants to reiterate that into the public record. |
| 00:35:30.35 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | That is it. |
| 00:35:30.41 | Lisa Davidson | That is it. |
| 00:35:31.83 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | All right. Thank you very much, Miss Davidson, for a very thorough presentation and for pointing out how you and we responded to all the comments on the notice of preparation. That was very helpful. So we are going to first take any questions, clarifying questions from the City Council, turn it over to Chair Nichols for the Planning Commission to ask questions. So first are there city council members who have questions for Ms. Davidson or other staff? |
| 00:36:08.70 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And I am not okay there everybody's coming okay Councilmember Cox and then Councilmember Byrne. |
| 00:36:16.35 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you, Madam Mayor. I had several specific specific questions. Um. The first is at page 3.12-4. It says that there are limited opportunities for extensive employment growth because there are few remaining vacant parcels in the Bay Area. And I was curious to know whether this EIR contemplated uh, the There is an extensive increase in telecommuting that we have to anticipate as Um, a side effect of COVID-19. and of evolving technology, quite frankly. |
| 00:37:02.76 | Councilmember Cox | Do you want me to just ask all my questions or? Wait for a response. |
| 00:37:07.11 | Lisa Davidson | Thank you. |
| 00:37:10.55 | Lisa Davidson | I guess I'm trying to think. |
| 00:37:15.33 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So can I just make a suggestion? So, I mean, some of our questions will probably be comments that you'll want to respond to and the responses to comments document. And so you might wanna think about them. And some of our questions might be easily answered here tonight. So I think maybe you could categorize them in that way. Again, this is a kind of a listening session for our consultants to hear all of our comments on the EIR and then to respond to them in a formal document. So I think if you're prepared to answer a simple question tonight, great. And if not, then consider this a comment. that needs to be responded to and the responses to comment. |
| 00:37:57.90 | Councilmember Cox | And from my perspective, all of my questions could be either could go either way I don't need any answers this evening if you prefer to respond to them as comments |
| 00:38:08.74 | Lisa Davidson | Okay. |
| 00:38:09.26 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:38:11.05 | Lisa Davidson | I think what I'll do is I will take notes, and if there's anything that's kind of a something that's an easy response, I can tackle that. Other than that, I think it's better to respond formally. where we've had time to think about it and mull it over. |
| 00:38:34.64 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. And I should have prefaced my questions with a thank you for the really thorough job. As a planning commissioner for eight years, I saw several EIRs, this one is really Well done, well organized, very thoughtful and thank you also for your great presentation on it which actually eliminated a couple of the questions I had written down before the hearing started. So thank you. |
| 00:39:01.15 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I'm sorry. |
| 00:39:01.20 | Councilmember Cox | All right. |
| 00:39:01.22 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 00:39:01.24 | Councilmember Cox | All right. |
| 00:39:01.25 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Council Member Cox, why don't you just continue with your other questions and comments? |
| 00:39:05.03 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you, I have three more. on page 3.12-7, we project jobs growth from 5,350 in 2000 to 5,885 in 2040. Again, my question is whether this projection reflects the anticipated expansion of potential jobs in the marine ship in connection with some of our new policies and programs, including the creation of an innovation zone. as well as, does this reflect anticipated increases in telecommuting reflected by current circumstances as well as our extensive sustainability goals. And you addressed some of this with your VMT explanation but I would like to see that translated to jobs as well. Third question. Policy LU-6.4 on page 3.12-12 I think that's a good question. mentions houseboats on Richardson's Bay. I'm wondering if you meant because BCDC prohibits Boats on Richardson's Bay. I wonder if you intended by that program to address houseboats in marinas adjoining Richardson's Bay or adjoining Sausalito waters as opposed to houseboats on Richardson's Bay. We actually don't typically have house votes on Richardson's Bay, although we do have a number of recreational boats. And finally, on page 3-12.13. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. policy. 2.6. 12. addresses Um, protecting liveaboards as a source of affordable housing. I wonder if the EIR can accommodate our recent request to BCDC to increase the number of liveaboards at least in the short term. So we've asked to increase the number of allowed legal boards from 10% to 15%, not that all marinas, would take us up on that. Not that that would be a long-term impact, but I'd like to be sure that if we do undertake that. Um, objective in the short term in order to accommodate getting some of our anchor routes off of Richardson's Bay, whether our EIR analysis covers the impacts of that short-term increase. Those were my questions. Again, thank you so much. |
| 00:41:53.46 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:41:54.83 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 00:41:54.88 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you, Councilmember Cox. Councilmember Burns? |
| 00:41:58.34 | Councilmember Burns | Thank you, Mayor. And I'll ditto that Lisa, thank you. easier than most to get through. EIR. I only usually cut to the certain parts I need. So I've never read all 570 pages. But what a document. And Just to clarify, on the housing, because my question is on this housing on two seven, two dash seven, the residential growth. Were those numbers for the planning area, which includes the sphere of influence? I think it said it was in the planning area that that. And then the second part of that question is I'm having a hard time through this entire general plan update, of the date differences between our housing element and our general plan process, you identified somewhat. So I just want to clarify. the numbers that you have in that graph are through the current housing element, plus five ADUs a year. And then when we do our next housing element, there'll be an EIR for that housing element minus five. a year. Is that correct? |
| 00:43:08.28 | Lisa Davidson | Okay, I think this is definitely a situation where we can answer the question because it's just to help you understand the EIR and the Thank you. So the first question was about the projected housing units. under the general plan, right? and you had, So we projected 304 new units. over 20 years. Those are units within the city limits and within the sphere of employment. And that's a dudo for the non-residential. Now, in terms of |
| 00:43:43.35 | Unknown | terms. |
| 00:43:45.02 | Lisa Davidson | how we came up with that number how it relates to the housing element. Um, I'm going to actually turn it over to Jeff Bradley and his team because they're the ones that helped. developed those projections for us But I will say that Um, the new housing element Um, is a part of this general plan and what we analyze And the idea is that and the next housing element will rely on this EIR and, we'll kind of hear from or, partially rely on this EIR for its certification. So, Jeff, do you think you can address the question about how we came up with the projected new housing unit. |
| 00:44:37.03 | Lisa Davidson | Oh, he can't. He needs to be unmuted. |
| 00:44:44.32 | Commissioner Grass | of a |
| 00:44:47.78 | Councilmember Burns | I can read his lips. |
| 00:44:50.56 | Jeff Bradley | Right. Okay, then we need to we need a translator. Oh, looks like the host the host unmuted me. Thank you. Council member Burns. Thank you for the question. This is Jeff rally with M group. Working on the general plan also work on the housing element that is in effect. Currently, and as the council recalls the housing was for an eight year period. call it 2015 through 2023. And so for the general plan, it covers a much longer period of course, but for general plan purposes, we considered the housing element to be the best available information |
| 00:44:51.73 | Councilmember Burns | We need a team. |
| 00:44:52.61 | Lisa Davidson | Thank you. |
| 00:44:52.62 | Councilmember Burns | PEOPLE. |
| 00:44:52.82 | Lisa Davidson | I don't know. |
| 00:44:52.88 | Councilmember Burns | later though. |
| 00:45:28.58 | Vice Mayor Withy | OF THE FAMILY. |
| 00:45:29.80 | Jeff Bradley | of what Everyone still hear me? The housing element is the best data of what could physically be developed within the city, whether we're talking about eight years or 20 years. Until the housing element is changed in the future, that really is the guiding document for housing in Sausalito. We did extend the concept by assuming that five ADUs per year would be built throughout the entire planning period for both the housing element and the general plan. And so that's why the ADU numbers went up a little bit more than the housing element itself. But when we get to 2023, there would be a requirement to update the housing element. And like you mentioned, there would be a CEQA document um, I wouldn't want to commit to what that would be. Ideally, it would be tiered off of the very comprehensive work that Lisa's team has done here with this CIR, but that remains to be seen. |
| 00:46:34.01 | Councilmember Burns | Thank you. Thanks, Jeff, for that. Thanks, Lisa. |
| 00:46:37.48 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Any other questions, Council Member Burns? Okay, Council Member Riley. |
| 00:46:45.47 | Vice Mayor Withey | Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you, Lisa. My first EIR and I'm thrilled an excellent presentation. My questions go to traffic. Um, Give us an environmental impact report. The number that jumped at me is we're predicting traffic to grow 31% for the next 20 years. Yet our number one issue is traffic congestion today. Um, Does that 31% increase, I have a two part question. First, the 31% increase take into account vehicle miles traveled incentives to lower Is that planned in or No, can the number get better? I guess I would summarize it that way. And then secondly, as I look at the growth numbers, We're showing a 6.3% growth in residences. A 35% growth in commercial land. So that would lead you to believe that most of that traffic increase comes from commercial And there's a figure that It says, the peak. PM outbound traffic is growing at 37%. So when we talk about environmental impact, I'm trying to guess like, Do we have a plan that's like, incentivizing more cars on our roads, especially commuters, and really impacting our environment. One question. Or it can be a comment too, you can get back. The second one is... We're only showing a 6% increase in residences or 300 new residences in the next 20 years. Um, Does our vehicle miles travel take into account our aging population? because we're not going to have a lot of new people coming into those units. We have an aging population which is driving less. And I wonder, I'm just curious if we've taken that into account. Those are my questions or comments. Thank you. |
| 00:48:40.15 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Vice Mayor Withy, do you have any comments or questions? |
| 00:48:47.29 | Vice Mayor Withy | No, not at this time. |
| 00:48:51.44 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, thank you. I had a couple of questions. One is a very quick one on, The beginning on page 1-3, we talk about some of the other agencies that might have approvals. And I don't see, there might be another appendix that I didn't see, but I was wondering if our The county of Marin was notified of this and then our neighboring Marin City Community Services District, the Sausalito Marin City, |
| 00:49:25.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:26.49 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Sanitary district. and the National Park Service, our neighbors. Quick question. I just didn't see them at the very beginning, but they may have received notice of this if they haven't It would be great to notify them of this general plan. Um, I also think maybe following up on Councilmember Riley's question, It would be helpful to make it just a little bit clearer in the introduction and the discussion of impacts that the increase in commercial and industrial build out that is shown here is not coming from zoning changes, but from our existing zoning and the fact that our build out is not built out to be currently allowable capacity. I know this question has kind of come up a couple of times and was also recently discussed at our federal plan advisory committee session. So I think just being abundantly clear to the community and the public about that would just be helpful in terms of understanding the document. Um, I do also think in the transportation section, I'm very excited about the move to VMT and the discussion in the EIR about that, the very thorough discussion. But on page three I think it's dash 32. I can hardly read my handwriting. But it does talk about the threshold for significance under the new VMT being 15% below baseline. and that Sausalito has not yet adopted a threshold of significance. um, discussion really starts off well, but then doesn't kind of follow to the logical conclusion of are we getting an increase? under this new analysis. So I think again, just some added clarity Especially as people members of the public and ourselves as decision makers get familiar with VMT and what it really means and is, I think we could add. some clarity there. And then you touched on this in your presentation. I just also wanted to comment that We talk a lot about capacity of existing infrastructure, you know, storm drains and others. But I also think we need, we have some good new policies in the general plan to really focus on maintenance. And it's great that we have capacity, but we have a very aging infrastructure. And so I think that does need to be addressed. We had really good policies in our prior general plan, some of which were perhaps not funded or implemented, as expected. So we've kind of made some commitments for that in this general plan and perhaps that could be highlighted. Sarah Silver, And then my last question, following up on earlier question, I think, and Council Member burns. is we have an alternative about increasing mixed use housing. But at our general plan working group, we've also been talking about a housing overlay policy. And I just wanted to have the EIR very clear about whether if the housing overlay policy is implemented as it's stated in the general plan at this point. PB, Sarah Silver, If that is part of the project and anticipated any potential additional housing is anticipated in the actual project, or if that is. reflected in the alternative. And if that could be made a little bit clearer, both for decision makers and for the public, I think that would help. So. Those are my main comments, although I'm looking forward to the Planning Commission and members of the public as well. Okay, so I think any additional thoughts from city council members? and saying no. Nancy McNeil, Not so we'll turn it over to chair Nichols to see if there are comments from our planning. |
| 00:53:45.05 | Vicki Nichols | I think what I'll do is I'll call on individual planning commissioners and |
| 00:53:56.27 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Vicky, I'm sorry, somehow you got muted. We could hear you and then now we can. |
| 00:54:00.67 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:54:01.97 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:54:01.99 | Vicki Nichols | through that. |
| 00:54:02.71 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:54:02.73 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, that should do it, right? Yep. Okay. Great. Thank you. Commissioner, Vice Chair Kellman, would you like to start? |
| 00:54:09.95 | Vice Chair Kellman | I'd be happy to. Thank you. And thank you, Lisa, for the great presentation. I know we all really appreciate it. My first round of questions really has to do with whether or not we contacted our responsible agencies and who we gave notice to. So thank you for responding to some of the comments in the NOP along these lines. But I still was wondering about Caltrans, Noah carb. DWR, Find the CPUC. And I didn't see those on a list. So forgive me if they are, but I just reviewed the list and I didn't see that. Those are from a notice perspective. and a comment about air quality. So, and this is sort of related to transportation and moving to VMT. It wasn't clear to me whether the air quality analysis is being performed in accordance with the Bay Area air quality management district's Secoa Air Quality Handbook using the California Missions Estimator Model or whether we abandon that using VMT. And then similarly on circulation. I was wondering, it was just was not clear whether the project was evaluated for consistency with the 2016 regional transportation plan slash sustainable community strategy which applies in the Bay Area. And I'll submit these as well to provide this to you. And then I just want to echo some of the questions that the mayor was articulating around the housing element. I agree, it wasn't clear to me that the housing element was being considered as part of the general plan, whether it needed to call that specifically And I thought the mayor articulated it well. Wasn't sure about the overlay districts and how they were being handled. And I think I would just make a note that there are several instances where M group has introduced the overlay district concept And I know at the working group level, we kind of struggled with what that meant exactly. I don't know how the draft EIR can address that. But if you could, Maybe look for other instances of that as well. I think that would behoove the document. |
| 00:56:22.64 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thanks, Lucy. |
| 00:56:23.03 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Thanks, Vicki. |
| 00:56:24.92 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:56:24.94 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Um, |
| 00:56:27.33 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:56:28.26 | Vicki Nichols | Mr. |
| 00:56:28.97 | Janelle Kellman | Would you like to go next? |
| 00:56:30.18 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:56:31.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:56:31.72 | Janelle Kellman | Sure, thank you Chair Nichols and Lisa, thank you very much for the presentation. |
| 00:56:31.74 | Unknown | for it. |
| 00:56:36.28 | Janelle Kellman | I think you've already gotten a lot of really great input and questions from our city council members and Vice Chair Kelman. I just, I had two rather macro questions. And then one is a little bit more micro, nothing has to be answered this evening. But, from the standpoint of Inering areas. any kind of environmental work or impact analysis being done. the county or neighboring areas Were you able to sort of assess that and look at that and is that incorporated somehow by reference to our EIR if there's any potential for and we're not just bordering what we intend to do Um, Then the second question I had was also around this housing. And I think that, Madam Mayor and Vice Chair Kellman Um, Karen Hollweg, That's a lot of what I was interested in as well, but I think between the general plan document and the I are. don't know that we're connecting the dots well enough Uh, or somebody who hasn't been part of offering these documents would understand the importance of housing for Sausalito, and why there is not a specific element called out in the general plan However, we have a fairly comprehensive housing, um, that we've already adopted within the city and I think council member Cox was quite involved in that as well. So those are the two kind of macro level questions that I had. at this time. And then the other question I had was really a little bit more around sea level rise. And I'm really interested in, There's a program called out for sea level rise, which I think is the HS 9.1, But how are we really addressing the fact that if If we are to use reference, rely upon the information provided by other federal agencies or other government agencies. it would appear that sea level rise will impact parts of South Slito fairly significantly. And it will reduce the land mass in the buildable areas. and it will therefore force a more dense area on higher ground, higher levels. And how does that impact your transportation? and the housing element and so on. So I'm really interested in that sea level rise piece of it and how that impacts land mass. So that's all I have for now, but really appreciate the presentation and the discussion. So thank you. |
| 00:59:23.15 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Pierce? |
| 00:59:34.46 | David Ensign | Sorry, I was trying to unmute myself. Thank you, Chair Nichols. |
| 00:59:36.15 | Commissioner Grass | Cheer, Nicole. Yeah. |
| 00:59:36.92 | David Ensign | Thank you, Lisa, again for |
| 00:59:36.97 | Commissioner Grass | I know. |
| 00:59:40.10 | David Ensign | the clear presentation. It made a lot of things much more obvious to be, so I appreciate that. And I only have a couple. questions slash comments. I guess one comment is on... 3.2-3, and it's the table about pollutants. And hydrogen sulfide is entered twice, and I think It is supposed to be vinyl chloride in the second. And so if you just want to double check that, um The question I had was building on uh, I guess the concept of traffic introduced by council member Riley and built further upon by some other folks and Looking at the numbers, and please excuse my math, but It's anticipated that there could be 762 new employees based on the commercial build out. And 304 new residential units, which at the Sausalito average of person per household of 1.53 equates to about 465 new residents. So if you take the 465 away from the 1762 new employees, you essentially have 1,297 new commuters And I just wanted to make sure that those numbers are being applied Uh, Equally across transportation impact, energy impact, greenhouse gas emission, noise, and any of the other Uh, areas of the EIR that they might impact. And then the, Final thing I had was whether or not post-pandemic, design requirements have been applied to this or will they factor into this since occupant loads for commercial structures are becoming much less dense than they have in the past. That is all I have. |
| 01:01:35.17 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Commissioner Graff, would you like to go next? |
| 01:01:38.80 | Richard Graff | Hi, yes. And I'm not sure. Thank you, Lisa, for that presentation. I found it, uh, pretty, pretty, pretty difficult going through the entire EIR and trying to cross-reference back to the through a general plan. document. preliminary document. Mmm. most of the questions I had I was able to find by searching through the plan. Um, And they're really kind of like detailed questions. I did have one. |
| 01:02:19.21 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:02:19.23 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 01:02:19.26 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:02:20.12 | Richard Graff | question in the I'm not sure. the biometric section. Yeah. and the resources where you listed or the plan lists, a number of species, and they listed sea otters, which I've never known to be around here, but did not mention remerauders. which I am seeing. around. So I don't know if that was a typo or I'm not sure. whether that had really been determine Um, Yeah. I think most of my questions really had to do with details like one of the aesthetic Um, was concerning So, I have undeveloped open shoreline areas. uh, the development of those areas. was trying to figure out where those areas are. What? constitutes and undeveloped. Um, open shoreline. area. So I was having a little bit of difficulty determining what that meant and where those were. So... I don't want to. get into a bunch more of these. They're mostly things that I think are already that are buried in the, general plan document. So that's really all I have right now. Thank you. |
| 01:03:57.73 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Okay, I want to thank Lisa as well for for a good presentation. questions on the basics were answered, so I appreciate that. EIRs are a tricky thing to help people understand. Along that line, I want to have some just high-level questions about how this analysis and these findings were made. And I think some of this is for myself and some I think are general public questions that come up a lot. And maybe we can either let things lay to rest or get a better answer. So my first question, and this is ironic, I happen to come across the old historic document for the Fair Traffic Initiative and the legal interpretation by the city attorney at the time, Leland Jordan, who then went on to right how the ordinance should be impacted into the zoning code. So in your analysis about development, we know that in that document, and we've talked about this, no housing is permitted in the apprenticeship specifically. So the numbers that you've used for allowable development. Do they take into account the FARs and the existing traffic initiative limitations? just yes or no, and you don't have to answer me now. But the reason I'm asking is because we're talking about no housing existing now. permitted in the Marinship. And then we come down and we look at, um, all the, all the developable All the development on page 2.6, all the development will be non-residential will be developed out by 2040. So I'm assuming I want to just confirm Really, we know that the only areas we really have to develop are in the marine ship, if And if that's the case, it's non-residential as you analyzed, I believe, at least in your statements. And my last thing would be on ES-3, There's a statement about all the increase in development. I believe this was related to housing. The 304 units would be done only in the CC, CR, and CN areas, which confirms then I believe that We are not talking about anything in the. I am mainly saying this for the public. I think if we can just get these things out of the way, it might help our comments with the people that want to speak next. And lastly, I'll just speak in general. I've looked at a lot of EIRs from some of the boards that I sit on. And I think that in this case, everything has been able to be found to be mitigated to less than significant. And I understand that that is allowable under the law. And I understand I'm not overly concerned about any of the areas. but I will be digging in more deeply before the July 20th . But I know that a lot of times less than significant relies on different programs or other mitigations. And as we know now, I'll use it, for instance, on our green couch. gas reductions, we're talking about Um, a lot of bicycle programs that could help with that and getting people to these different transportation modes. Another thing that might be greenhouse gas reductions is just how we're going to be working and coming into our city That's all great, but, um, What I'm concerned about in this case, everything is less than significant. And we know the city's budget right now. We have not been able to implement some of these programs from 1995 that could have reduced impacts more. Some have probably been by interest over the process of counsels and what they could or could not do or So I'm wondering if we... If there's a way to look at some of this, we're gonna acknowledge that we have these growth impacts What is the true potential without all these mitigation programs Um, that would mitigate them. We just know that A plan is, it's almost like a zoning ordinance without enforcement. An EIR stating less than significant is as good as being able to execute and initiate and develop all the programs that we're listing that will limit their impacts. So that's not a criticism, it's just a general statement. And I think of the economic conditions that everybody's under right now. Um, I don't know if it needs to be analyzed. Maybe it can just be addressed in a question. That's all I have. I see Councilmember Cox shaking her head. But those are my comments. |
| 01:09:02.61 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Hey, great. Thank you, everyone. It's great to see the Planning Commission and to have everyone here tonight for this joint meeting. And I will now turn it over to the clerk to announce a general public comment. And then, After general public comment, Miss Gavison or staff if there's anything you want to clear up quickly tonight that's great but again uh not expecting that necessarily so um So, Could the clerk open public comment, please? |
| 01:09:35.89 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Yes, thank you, Mayor Cleveland Knowles. At this time, members of the public may address the City Council regarding agenda item 3A. Public comment will be accepted by audio or video audience participation by Zoom. Video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application and you will be called upon when it's your time to speak. To raise your hand from the phone, press star nine. Each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed. At this point in time, it appears as though we have one hand raised, it's Susan's iPad. I will unmute and ask to start the video. |
| 01:10:21.70 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | So Susan's iPad has been unmuted. Good evening. |
| 01:10:26.14 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Welcome. |
| 01:10:26.63 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thank you. |
| 01:10:30.59 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | And Susie, you'll need to press your unmute button. |
| 01:10:30.73 | Susan's iPad (Unknown) | Bye. Right. I'm here. It's good I was just swearing, so it's a good thing. Muted. So I was like, you're really gonna look at me? Oh, my God. Okay. So what? Good evening. Council and Planning Commission. Thank you for all the work you've done. but You all are in the weeds and many of us out here are or, sitting back saying, Why are we doing this in the middle of this pandemic? I don't get it. It's 10 years. overdue And you're trying to get this through before the election. Look at how many people are on the call tonight. There's about 20 of us. The participation has been horrifying. And frankly, This Zoom situation is I'll never do it again. This is only the second time I've ever done it. It's just, it's horrifying. I just feel like you need to stop. And if you don't, you know what? We're going to remember this in November. So thank you for letting me speak. Bye-bye. |
| 01:11:54.88 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you very much. Good to see you. I've got Charlene Eldon next and then Alice Merrill. |
| 01:12:06.48 | Charlene Eldon | Hi, is now the time to talk about subjects that are not about the planning committee? this an open forum. |
| 01:12:17.02 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So this is a special meeting on a special topic. After this, the Planning Commission will go into its regular meeting. and they will have general public comment on items that are not on their agenda tonight. |
| 01:12:30.05 | Charlene Eldon | Okay, I'll raise my hand again then. |
| 01:12:32.40 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Great. Thank you. Thanks for checking. Thank you. Okay, Alice, welcome. |
| 01:12:48.55 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Alice has been unmuted. |
| 01:12:50.47 | Alice Merrill | I'm always sitting in the wrong place. Thank you. I'm just hearing, I tried to read that whole document, it's so big. But what I'm hearing tonight is the subject of How many more residences are allowed? And when you look around, there's not a lot of places left for them. And as I recall, there was a place on that area down below lower crescent where the residents they were somebody wanted to put something in and it was a very long discussion and eventually they didn't get to put it in because it was on a huge hillside. There's, There are a few places left. to be putting houses in. So where are they going to go? I mean, do you have identified lots where these places are going to go? Or are you going to just sneak it into the Marin ship? because after all it's big. and it's empty. I'm not sure. And then. And then as it was just mentioned about the amount of cars, when you think about all those people, how many people, more offices and more houses, The amount of cars that is, it's usually a car per adult. that's significantly huge, significant in what we have going on here now. And so I hope that you're really thinking about this. And I have to agree that this whole thing being just powered, powered, powered on. is really discouraging that we don't just get to be in with the mess we're in and then move on and be able to take care business. So that's all I have to say, and thank you very much. |
| 01:14:40.34 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | All right, thank you. And then just before I call the next couple of public speakers, I did just want to note for the prior speaker that The public comment tonight will be for the planning commission, but if you wanna talk in general public comment for the city council, we'll have our regular meeting next Tuesday and you're welcome at seven o'clock. You're welcome to come to public comment to the city council then if you would like as well. So thank you. All right. Thank you. I have Sonia Hansen and then Jan Johnson. |
| 01:15:23.98 | Sonya Hansen | I mean, Okay. Good evening, City Council and Planning Commission. My name is Sonya Hansen. I'm a resident here on Spring Street. I raised my hand tonight. I ask that you pause the general plan update process. including the draft ER. and I think I have to... Purge. Here we go. First, we are currently living in a time that is harmful to the democratic process. Zoom meetings do not equal open public meetings. Second, none of us knows what the next 20 years will look like We are in a disconnect from all that has come before us. How can anyone in this time think they know how to plan for our future. Pushing through. the general plan and the draft EIR. |
| 01:16:27.48 | Sonya Hansen | during this time is wrong. and I ask you to put it on pause. Thank you. |
| 01:16:38.57 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you very much, Jan Johnson. And if there are additional public speakers, if you could please raise your hand, that would be great. |
| 01:16:48.69 | Jan Johnson | Hi, thank you very much for all your work. Um, It's very difficult to have public involvement at this phase. due to COVID-19. I think that's insufficient. for the democratic process. Um... I think this should be delayed until you can have a democratic process. There's no rush to get this done. Oh. given what we're going through. I have some significant concerns about the traffic based on the general plan, which does not include considering the pressure that's going to be for housing development across from Molly Stone's by that huge development corporation that just purchased the buildings there. I live on the South Gateway on 2nd Street. 31% increase in traffic is a major air pollutant problem. It's bad enough now I can tell you from wiping out down the front of my house and my windows. 31% increase is going to Ah. really increased respiratory problems for residents. um, What else? And I'd like to know that if you're developing the north end of town, which will significantly increase commuter traffic What assurances do those of us on the Southern Gateway have? that the city will not turn around and take our residences by eminent domain in order to increase the size of 2nd Street and South It makes no sense to put in new residences if you're planning or think you will have to demolished residences on the southern end of town. I'd really like to have some assurances written into the general plan that private property will not be taken to accommodate traffic on the Southern Gateway. I guess that's it. Thank you. |
| 01:19:07.74 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Okay, I do not see any additional members of the public here tonight to comment. I see a lot of members of the public, but no one with their hand raised. um |
| 01:19:20.48 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thank you. to the clerk. Yeah, there are three additional hands that have been raised. So, okay. |
| 01:19:27.51 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:19:27.54 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | in that. Thank you. |
| 01:19:29.46 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, I see Pat Zirk. |
| 01:19:35.49 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay, I guess I'm unmuted. |
| 01:19:36.28 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | THE FAMILY IS I'm, I'm, |
| 01:19:37.49 | Sandra Bushmaker | First of all, I'd like to empathize with Commissioner Graff and his attempt to grapple with the volume of this material. And I'd like to point out that this was only released on June Those of us in the public who don't have the ability to print out 500 pages and have no ability to go to the library even at this point to review these things. I think would be better served by a meaningful meaningful hiatus. to let us grapple with both the size of the general plan document and the EIR. The presentation may have been clear, but it's a very difficult document to wade through online and understand and take notes. I also want to, reiterate some of the concerns about noticing. Um, many of the species in the waterfront or you know some of them are federally uh federally protected we should have notified fish and wildlife there was no mention made for example of rbra and yet one of our general plan um either goals or or programs is to implement the findings of the RBRA mooring field Um, study, which is also nowhere mentioned in this, nor is the impact of a mooring field off our or if our water is mentioned, but at a minimum, we should notify RBRA. I think we probably should notify many of the list of notifications earlier submitted The NOAA. air quality carb people. water resources people. Um, In general, the finding of no significant impacts seems to be resting on the notion that individual projects as they come forward will follow various programs. We've been entertained, well I don't think entertained is not the right word, but we have been informed over the years of the rather dramatic deterioration in our infrastructure. And I think the idea that project by project. in the Marin ship. the fixes will come to the entire Marine ship is not only erroneous, but I think it is a disservice to an environmental impact report not to go further and to examine the magnitude of the problem and the kinds of solutions that should be advanced on a non-project by project basis. on. . I was sort of wondering whether or not autonomous vehicles were included. I'm not sure. There's one of our public members who's spoken quite passionately about the benefits of autonomous vehicles, and I was wondering if they were included in the discussion of traffic Um, And I think that |
| 01:22:42.95 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Your three minutes has elapsed. So have my comments. |
| 01:22:48.82 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. I'm Sandra Bushmaker. Welcome. |
| 01:23:02.21 | Sandra Bushmaker | Okay, I think I'm on. Can you hear me? Andrew Bushmaker residence. I want to deal with several issues. Once I can hardly |
| 01:23:12.33 | Councilmember Cox | I can hardly hear Sandra. |
| 01:23:14.73 | Sandra Bushmaker | I would like to object to the process of jamming this procedure through from this ordinary citizens we do not have a staff to copy a 570 page document and the draft general plan in order to make meaningful comments and reference the various documents back and forth. It's been very difficult. In addition, the draft EIR was released on June 14th. And that means we had 13 days to review a 570 page document before this hearing. Number two, I'd like to point out in the disaster preparedness section of the draft EIR that the discussion about the disaster preparedness committee and the city guide is erroneous, mislaid, and is wrong in many instances. There might be one sentence that I think is appropriate. The rest I think are need some, verification. They are not accurate. The committee does not train the first responders, which is one of the things that refers to in there. And the DEIR did not include sufficient resources to evaluate the impact of sea level rise on health and safety. a special especially for potential disasters involving contaminated soil and filth. in the marine ship. And given that we're told that we have approximately 0.75 inches of rise at the low end. I think this is highly significant. The DEIR fails to address emergency evacuations in sea level rise incidents or accidents, inundation, liquefaction, subsidence, and rising of the water table uh, I previously provided the council with scientific articles on those various subjects relevant to Sausalito and the San Francisco Bay Area. I also submitted personally 42 items on the NOP process and I do not believe they were addressed. I'd like to report that we have now 796 cases of COVID in Marin County, which has gone up from a 100 100 count plus in on May 2nd. This is a highly significant issue. And we must address it. This is an environmental issue. we are going through a highly significant process during a pandemic. where the numbers are increasing. Give the public a break and give us a chance to look at these, compare these two pages, two documents consisting of about a thousand pages in our in due time, we don't have the time. The Zoom meetings are very, very difficult to have any sort of conversation because the public input is a one-way street. |
| 01:26:27.37 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Your three minutes has elapsed. |
| 01:26:27.39 | Sandra Bushmaker | You're three minutes. Okay, we do not have dialogue, and I look forward to dialogue. Thank you. |
| 01:26:35.51 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. The next public speaker is Jay Z. And then again, I do not see Additional hands raised, so if there is additional public comment, please raise your hand. |
| 01:26:50.02 | John DeRay | John DeRay, I'm using a borrowed computer. Thank you for allowing me to make a comment. Thank you, Lisa, for your work on this EIR. Um, I'm going to agree with some of the speakers about this Zoom process. I think it's been extremely cumbersome and seems to be extremely rushed. So many people believe it or not in this town are trying to focus on finding a job and feeding themselves and their neighbors. It just sort of feels wrong. I think this week is especially difficult because here we have I think it's 520 pages for this EIR and then Saturday's workshop. It's the entire general plan, another 500 or so pages. So it's a lot to ask for residents in such a short time period, even though obviously they were given weeks before to do this, but it's still a lot. Um, I got through a good part of the EIR, and I just want to make some comments. are. The draft EIR does not analyze the impacts of more land-based housing in the marineship. If housing in the Marin ship is part of the general plan, even as a consideration, then it should be included in the EIR as other considerations are. So I think that we need to either strike that language, or have the analysis included in the EIR. It's important to understand that because of the restriction on housing in the Marineship that is in the Marineship specific plan. And because. we've been told that this restriction will be maintained through the completion of the general plan, trying to understand what appears to be a contradiction Many of the programs and policies in the industrial and water zone in the marineship will be affected if there's housing in the marineship and warrant and environmental analysis if this is being considered. And I'm completely confused now based on the other comments as to whether this is the housing element is or is not being covered by this EIR. Um, So I'll move on. uh, THE FAMILY IS A LITTLE BIT OF Another comment, it seems like the playbook for traffic analysis should be completely rewritten in a post-COVID world where mass transit ridership is predicted to see a significant drop as people return to the safety of their personal vehicles. I think we are looking at a lot more traffic coming up. I was also sort of struck by the figure in the table It's table 3.14-4 and-7. Um, talks about a 30% increased traffic and it's characterized in EIR as less than significant impact. I presented anecdotal evidence of 15 to 20 minute wait to get from Dunphy Park to, um, leaving the north side of town. And it just makes me think it would be very helpful if we could understand at what point, what is the increase where it does become? I think that would be helpful. If 30% is not significant, THAN WHAT WOULD BE? 100% OR 75%? |
| 01:30:06.88 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Your three minutes has elapsed. |
| 01:30:10.48 | John DeRay | Thank you. |
| 01:30:12.13 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, great, thank you. And, |
| 01:30:14.63 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | And Mayor Cleveland Knowles, I received an urgent email from a member of the public that says that they were having Zoom problems and they were hoping that I could provide two comments into the record. I could do that or I could email them to the City Council and Planning Commission. |
| 01:30:14.65 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | you |
| 01:30:33.75 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Any comment in writing or in spoken tonight, any comment that we received before July 20th, at five o'clock will be in the record for response. And so there's plenty of time for additional public comment and writing. If the clerk wants to just let the council know what the topics covered were, that would be fine since they were not able to |
| 01:30:52.44 | Unknown | writing. |
| 01:31:01.25 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | participate tonight and if they wanted their name read as well, that would be fine. But we don't have this current time, we don't have a policy for contemporaneous written comments being read at the Council because for the most part, Zoom seems to have been working. But if you wanna give us the name of the commenter and, the topics that would probably be helpful. |
| 01:31:24.83 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thank you. The commenter is John Flavin and he had two topics. One is that he does not believe that there is adequate public involvement in the process and that the workshop on the 20th is too little too late and that it is inherently unreasonable to expect meaningful review of two 500 page documents in 45 days during these COVID restrictions. |
| 01:31:47.78 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, great, thank you very much. I did see Mr. Flavin on the call earlier, so... |
| 01:31:52.98 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thank you. Yeah. He said he was having some troubles and had to fall off the meeting. |
| 01:31:55.17 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | HE SAID HE WAS |
| 01:31:59.69 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, all right, well, it's good. Good to have his input. OK. PB, Sarah Silver, I will open it up to any final comments from city council members and then move on to the planning Commission for any final. comments if people have them. I am not seeing any council members raising their hands or unmuting themselves. Council member Cox. |
| 01:32:29.07 | Councilmember Cox | Sure, I would just again like to say thank you to our consultants for the level of detail that they encompassed with this very thorough deir and for giving us the opportunity to make these pretty detailed and I guess detailed is the best word, comments about specific programs and policies. Thank you. |
| 01:32:57.79 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, I would echo those thanks and also thank all of the members of the public who have participated. And, you know, I, definitely we have recognized the concern about moving forward with this important project at earlier meetings both at the council and at the General Plan Working Group. and respect those comments and have provided our reasons for moving forward earlier. I would also just like to reiterate, as I just did, that this comment period, this was just a public hearing. We're required to have on the draft, but we have several more weeks. for the opportunity to review and the deadline is July 20th. And then I see that Councilmember Burns would like to speak. |
| 01:33:43.47 | Councilmember Burns | But I was going to just if you were gonna reiterate that this is July 20th is when these are due, whether we're in COVID or not. It's 520 pages to read. at home and comment. I mean, that would have been taking place if we were having this meeting live. The one consistent thing we've had in the last three years is that. we're going too fast. and we're approaching the fourth year from this. I don't know if we're going too fast. but, if we remember the night that we met in person and talked about the NOP, the accusation was that we were going too fast in the public into what we were doing. So it's hard to see how COVID might have changed that. We were going too fast then. It seems just a little disingenuous that it's about speed and access when we obviously have a lot of comments and they have until the 20th to make them. So thanks for reiterating that, man. |
| 01:34:33.86 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, thank you. I'll turn it over to Chair Nichols for any final comments from the Planning Commission. Thank you. |
| 01:34:42.60 | Vicki Nichols | And Chair Nichols, there we go. I think I'm unmuted now. Thank you, Mayor Cleve-Ranon. Do any commissioners have comments? I see Commissioner Pierce. Would you like to see? |
| 01:34:55.21 | David Ensign | David Ensign, Those vehicles and thank you. David Ensign, Madam Mayor and members of the Council. |
| 01:34:55.24 | Vicki Nichols | Yes. |
| 01:35:00.02 | David Ensign | Yeah, I agree, and I'd like to echo something, I guess, or build on something that Councilmember Burns was saying, I think And again, this is, with all the empathy I can muster for folks who voice their concerns, This is our new normal. I We have no idea when we'll be able to meet in person again. And business must go on. This is the new paradigm for business meeting, the new paradigm for civic meeting. If there are some ways that we can help some of the folks that are having difficulty navigating through Zoom to make it a more useful tool for them, I think that would be helpful. But I'm not sure we can use Zoom as an excuse to curtail the process. Thank you. |
| 01:35:45.87 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Any other planning commissioners like to speak? Richard, I see your hand up. |
| 01:35:52.47 | Richard Graff | Hi. Well, Commissioner Pierce kind of took the words right out of my mouth. I'm... I'm amazed at this technology, that we can do this, that we can do a meeting like this with the public I think it's a great and actually get business done. I think it's awesome and as Morgan said, It is a reality now, so I think we Otherwise, what do we do? We just dump this for what? Years and years. So I'm for moving ahead. Um, with the best we can with the technology at our disposal. Um, As far as the general plan and the EIR, goes, yeah, there's really a lot of detail. And I wonder about clients, you know, and the big picture in the long run. over the next 20 years, how is that gonna be managed because so many of these uh, I'm not. no significant Oh. impacts really rely on a pretty rigid to you know, all the rules and policies. zoning and all that stuff. So I think, um, That's kind of an issue. I'm not sure how you... how all that will be successfully policed. Perhaps it will. Anyway, um, Nothing else at this moment. |
| 01:37:37.11 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Commissioner Graff. Anyone else? Janelle or Kristina? |
| 01:37:43.13 | Janelle Kellman | No, thank you, Chair Nichols. Nothing further to add. I think we've had some great comments from city council and fellow commissioners. |
| 01:37:50.54 | Vice Chair Kellman | Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:37:51.77 | Vicki Nichols | I echo that. Thank you, Jennifer. Okay, thank you. I do hear the concerns of the public. This is not unusual for planning commissioners or council people to have to review these really, really, really big reports quickly. That's part of the deal. And I sympathize with the volume of the material. What I would encourage you to do though is as we go forward, There is more opportunity as you were saying let know for comments through the 20th. The comments, as you explained, anything that you provide, will be answered. and acknowledged, so you will have an opportunity to be heard. That's how EIRs work. And if you get a chance to tune into any of the remaining GPAC or working group meetings. I hope that will be helpful. But I realize it's frustrating. |
| 01:38:48.51 | Councilmember Riley | is not. |
| 01:38:54.04 | Vicki Nichols | unusual bill San Rafael is going through the same process right now. They're almost ready to start. And Nevada was online and doing something very similar. I think it's the new norm to do these things in tandem, the EIR with the program. So I'm not sure. I wish there was a way to make it easier to review, but I think this is what we have. One thing I'd like to say in addition, because this has come up several times, our housing element is really section two. of our general plan. And it is included in there. And it's just the fact that it is not, it is current now till 2023. That's why we're not talking about this, but it's in there and it was explained by Lisa how that will be used to make some of these do some of this analysis. So it's current, it's in there. It's online if you want to look at it, I believe. And that's actually my only comments. So I appreciate the opportunity for both of the, bodies to get together and give you our thoughts and I would encourage The planning commissioners, if you have any more detailed comments, please get them in by the 20th. Thank you. |
| 01:40:12.63 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you, Chair Nichols. And we understand that the Planning Commission still has an agenda to address tonight. So we are gonna thank Ms. Davidson from Carbon Solutions, thank the M Group, thank our city staff, |
| 01:40:14.25 | Vicki Nichols | understand |
| 01:40:23.04 | Commissioner Grass | Bye. |
| 01:40:25.93 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | and our fellow, our planning commissioners for all of your excellent work and again to the public, for coming tonight and for your continued input on the draft EIR up until July 20th. And then just a reminder that this Saturday, I June 20th is our community workshop on the actual general plan, not the EIR. And that will be starting, I think, at 9 o'clock. on the same. Thank you, everyone, and we will adjourn. the City Council portion of the evening and thank our planning commissioners and hope they have a good rest of their evening. |
| 01:41:04.35 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very much. Thank you. So I believe we'll just stay on the line and they will leave the meeting. Is that Heidi how this will work? |
| 01:41:15.22 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Yes, I am just going to hand this microphone over to Ian Connolly in the Community Development Department and you will be able to commence your meeting in just a few minutes or in 30 seconds. |
| 01:41:28.46 | Councilmember Riley | 30 seconds. |
| 01:41:29.59 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thank you for your help. Okay. |
| 01:41:30.15 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 01:41:31.81 | City Clerk (likely Heidi Scoble) | Thanks, take care, bye-bye, have a great meeting. Thank you, Heidi. |
| 01:41:37.20 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:41:51.09 | Ian Connolly | Good evening all, this is Ian Connolly speaking. |
| 01:41:56.29 | Heidi Scoble | Hi, Ann. |
| 01:42:00.64 | Ian Connolly | Bye, Lily. |
| 01:42:03.12 | Heidi Scoble | Are you ready to go, Ian? |
| 01:42:05.79 | Ian Connolly | Yes, I am ready to continue the meeting with you guys. |
| 01:42:10.50 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:42:10.52 | Vicki Nichols | Excellent. Chair Nichols, are you ready? Yes, Lily, to refresh us, at least refresh me, is Ian one of our new planners that we've not met yet? |
| 01:42:21.77 | Heidi Scoble | He is. Okay. Yes, this is Ian Connolly, and you will meet him. |
| 01:42:24.27 | Vicki Nichols | Diego. |
| 01:42:27.76 | Heidi Scoble | virtually next Wednesday at your special meeting actually it'll be his first at. introduction to you with the planning project. |
| 01:42:35.36 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Ian. |
| 01:42:36.99 | Ian Connolly | I hear it. |
| 01:42:37.57 | Heidi Scoble | Yeah. |
| 01:42:40.44 | Vicki Nichols | All right. |
| 01:42:40.87 | Ian Connolly | No problem. |
| 01:42:43.57 | Vicki Nichols | So, Thanks. |
| 01:42:51.12 | Vicki Nichols | I'm just reaching over to my other agenda here. We have already done roll to call. We will move right into our meeting. And the first thing that we have on the meeting is approval of three sets of minutes. We've got the draft for why don't we take them individually since we're virtual. We had some discussion about the meetings for May 6 and they were rewritten so if everyone's had an To review those, I would entertain motion or listen to corrections Thank you. |
| 01:43:26.93 | David Ensign | Mr. Pierce Yes, thank you Chair Nichols. |
| 01:43:32.17 | Pete Peterson | page. three. |
| 01:43:34.40 | David Ensign | Thank you. |
| 01:43:34.67 | Pete Peterson | of those minutes and |
| 01:43:37.71 | David Ensign | on line 28. Um, Brad Evanson's name is still misspelled as Evans. |
| 01:43:46.33 | Vicki Nichols | So that was page 328. |
| 01:43:48.48 | David Ensign | Yes. |
| 01:43:49.28 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. I just make a note so I can. No, they come back for approval. Thank you. |
| 01:43:55.70 | David Ensign | That is all I had. Thank you. |
| 01:43:59.23 | Vicki Nichols | Anyone else? Seeing no further comments, would someone like to make a motion? |
| 01:44:08.49 | Janelle Kellman | I'll make a motion. |
| 01:44:09.64 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:44:09.89 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:44:10.02 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:44:10.23 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:44:11.59 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:44:11.61 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:44:11.66 | Heidi Scoble | Oh, okay. I apologize, Commissioner Fowler. |
| 01:44:12.49 | Janelle Kellman | Go ahead. |
| 01:44:14.97 | Heidi Scoble | It's because we do have to take a roll call on everything. Would the commission like to consider. making a motion for all three sets of minutes. And if you did, It's that. If that's what you're doing, I apologize. |
| 01:44:29.09 | Vicki Nichols | . I'm not sure. We heard one correction on the May 6th. It will turn our attention now to May 20th. there's any additions or corrections, I'd like to hear them now. Mr. Pierce. |
| 01:44:50.17 | David Ensign | Yes, thank you, Chair Nichols. On page four of six, line 11, I believe Liz Chilino's name is misspelled for the first name and her last name, I believe it's L-I-S-E. CIO They'll, C-I-O-L-O-N L-I-N-L. |
| 01:45:09.49 | Vicki Nichols | I think that's right, yes. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay, let's move on to the meetings from June 3rd. Any additions or corrections? |
| 01:45:29.29 | Vicki Nichols | No. Seeing none. Okay, I'll entertain a motion then for those three sets of minutes because I will call on you individually for, Lily, did you wanna call on us individually for the roll call? Okay. |
| 01:45:42.85 | David Ensign | This is Commissioner Pierce. I'll move that we approve three minutes with the corrections noted. |
| 01:45:47.51 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Is there a second? Exactly. |
| 01:45:53.52 | Vicki Nichols | We'll call the roll. We'll call for the vote. Call the questions. |
| 01:45:59.34 | Janelle Kellman | Yes. |
| 01:46:02.12 | Vicki Nichols | Mr. Grant. |
| 01:46:02.85 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:46:07.29 | Richard Graff | Yes. Thank you. |
| 01:46:09.62 | Vice Chair Kellman | You hear me? |
| 01:46:09.75 | Heidi Scoble | Mr. Pierce? Yes. |
| 01:46:11.17 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:46:11.19 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:46:11.22 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:46:11.31 | Heidi Scoble | I do. Thank you. I heard that one too. And Vice Chair Kellman? |
| 01:46:15.66 | Vicki Nichols | Yes. |
| 01:46:17.38 | Heidi Scoble | Karen Nichols. |
| 01:46:18.58 | Vicki Nichols | Yes, thank you. Okay. |
| 01:46:20.40 | Heidi Scoble | I'm going to carry a sign here. |
| 01:46:21.70 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Great. moving right along. Um, |
| 01:46:30.97 | Vicki Nichols | Yes. |
| 01:46:33.78 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 01:46:43.94 | Vicki Nichols | Julie, I don't have the agenda up on the, I'm not able to pull it on the screen. That's fine. Would you like me to jump in here? I would. If you'd assist me, I would appreciate it. |
| 01:46:56.33 | Heidi Scoble | Sure, so the next item here is item number seven. This is public comment on items not on the agenda. This is the time to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the planning commission's agenda, except in very limited circumstances, state law precludes the commission from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the Commission may briefly respond to statements made or questions posed by a member of the public. ask clarifying questions make a brief announcement or make a brief report on his or her own activities. The Commission may also refer matters not on the agenda to city staff or direct that the subject should be agendized for a future meeting. Video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes for speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand now in the Zoom application, and you will be called upon when it is your time to speak. Raise your hand from the phone. Please press star nine. each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed. And do we have any raised hands right now, Ian? |
| 01:47:57.65 | Ian Connolly | Yes, we have one raised hand from Sandra. |
| 01:48:13.92 | Sandra Bushmaker | Good evening, Planning Commission. undoubtedly you sat through that the joint meeting and the brief city council meeting before that Do you have any suggestions for the public on how to put meaningful impact or import comments into the graph EIR. and into the general plan draft When we have over a thousand pages of documents, How can we even get a hard copy of the document except by paying for it ourselves. to be commercially duplicated. I just want to have recognition of the burden that that places on the public. who want to put Meaningful comment. into this process. and the difficulty we have And. getting these documents before us, as I understand You had the luxury of having a hard copy before you, as did the City Council. which is meaningful. So if you have any words of advice for how the council or how the public can make more meaningful comments on these issues, I would like to hear them. Thank you. |
| 01:49:26.45 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Lily, since that might be a staff question, do you have any um, I think that I will just say, Sandra, thank you for your comments. We got the hard copies because I don't know, I could not have done this. online. So I think we had to have the card copies in order to do our work. |
| 01:49:53.80 | Vicki Nichols | I don't know. The only other thing I could think of is I know some organizations do this where they split up different objectives and different elements. And they each work on that and sort of review and then get together and share their comments. I don't know if that's helpful. I know some environmental groups do that on large EIRs. that. |
| 01:50:20.55 | David Ensign | And Chair Nichols, if I may, this is not a solution or an answer to the query. Um, I believe it is incumbent upon us as, as. members of our community and As we work on a general plan that's One of its major aims is preserving the environment. not. cutting down trees to make paper to make 500 page documents printed is a worthwhile exercise. I've been doing this |
| 01:50:45.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:50:47.57 | David Ensign | electronically for years now and I would encourage other people to try their best to do the same. |
| 01:50:56.65 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 01:51:01.54 | Vicki Nichols | Is it possible, Lily, for the public to buy a copy? There's always been a charge for copies from the city. I paid them. over the years for different documents. I don't know what the policy is any longer. |
| 01:51:15.58 | Heidi Scoble | Yeah, we could look into what the cost would be for for making at copies that are rate per page. And if that would be more economical for someone rather than going to a Kinko's and getting a hard copy there. |
| 01:51:33.74 | Vicki Nichols | I'd be happy to look into it. I think that might be an option and might be helpful. I would appreciate that. |
| 01:51:33.95 | Heidi Scoble | I'd be happy to look into it. Thank you. |
| 01:51:40.57 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Any other hands raised? |
| 01:51:45.31 | Ian Connolly | Yes, we have one raised hand Chair Nichols. |
| 01:51:48.50 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. And then Richard, if you don't mind, the person already had their hand raised. Okay, thank you, Ian. |
| 01:52:03.82 | Unknown | Hi, good evening. Am I unmuted? |
| 01:52:05.97 | Vicki Nichols | Yes, you are. Hi, Michael. |
| 01:52:07.74 | Unknown | Hi, thanks for the opportunity to speak this evening. I'm gonna just make a very brief comment. I don't think there needs to be any kind of reply. And it's in light of all the speaking out against Zoom. I think Zoom provides not just during COVID-19, but I hope there'll be an opportunity to consider hybrid meetings in the future. Whenever we can meet in person again, many people are burdened by the David Pérez, difficulty in coming physically to the meeting and if there is any chance of having a combination of in person and zoom meetings. David Pérez, I hope that will be considered because the technology really makes it possible for many other people to participate. Thank you. |
| 01:52:51.28 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Michael. Uh, Richard? This is actually, items not on the agenda. So |
| 01:53:01.13 | Richard Graff | I was just responding to the request for or the issue of, Huge. documents and |
| 01:53:11.59 | Vicki Nichols | Sure. Go ahead. We all had a crack at it. |
| 01:53:16.20 | Richard Graff | Yeah, well, I just feel it's a lot to ask. the city staff to sit there and print out. a thousand pages for however many people need to read this. I there's got to be a better way. you know, some you know, independent, you know, like Kinko's or something. I don't think we could ask the city to the city staff to do that. It doesn't make sense. |
| 01:53:45.51 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 01:53:45.61 | Richard Graff | Thank you. |
| 01:53:45.66 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Thank you. Before we move on? Okay, let's move on then. Thank you. |
| 01:53:58.66 | Vicki Nichols | So, |
| 01:53:58.96 | Heidi Scoble | Emily? Yes, Chair Nichols. So the... Next item on your agenda is your public hearing item. And so before we begin our public hearing items, agenda eight, This is the time for any commissioner to provide Any declarations regarding ex parte communications? |
| 01:54:22.28 | Vicki Nichols | So I'm going to call on you individually. Vice Chair Kellman. |
| 01:54:28.00 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:54:28.09 | Vicki Nichols | Nothing to record. |
| 01:54:28.71 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:54:29.03 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Graff. |
| 01:54:31.58 | David Ensign | all |
| 01:54:32.73 | Vicki Nichols | Karen Hollweg, Okay, Mr peers. |
| 01:54:34.55 | David Ensign | I have none. |
| 01:54:35.70 | Vicki Nichols | and Commissioner Feller. Nothing to report. I as well have nothing to report. Thank you. |
| 01:54:43.55 | Heidi Scoble | Right. So your first public hearing item is item 8A, which is a signed permit application at 750 Bridgeway, and contract planner Brad Evanson will be providing the staff reports. |
| 01:54:54.53 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 01:54:55.02 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:54:55.48 | Vicki Nichols | Welcome, Brand. |
| 01:54:57.25 | Brad Evanson | Good evening, commissioners, Chair Nichols. I'm going to go ahead and share my screen and start my presentation. |
| 01:55:06.43 | Unknown | That's it. |
| 01:55:12.81 | Brad Evanson | Okay, this is a sign permit 2020-00060 sign permit for 750 Bridgeway, the former Bank of America building. |
| 01:55:24.16 | Councilmember Riley | Thank you. |
| 01:55:27.93 | Brad Evanson | it. |
| 01:55:28.13 | John DeRay | Thank you. |
| 01:55:28.27 | Brad Evanson | Thank you. Okay as as most of us know the the B of A building is located at the corner of Spinnaker and Bridgeway in between Humboldt and Bridgeway on the north side of Spinnaker um, The sign permit request is to install one 3.64 square foot wall-mounted blade sign to focus attention to the ATMs. It would be mounted on the north elevation of the building that faces with the sign faces visible to the east elevation, which is Humboldt Avenue in the water, and on the west elevation towards Bridgeway. The sign is internally illuminated by LEDs. per the applicant, the illumination output of the LED components in the sign is 1,488 lumens. And for context, the 100 watt incandescent light bulb has an output of 1600 lumens. As you can see in the image, the blade sign here In the upper image, it's wall mounted, in line with the awnings that are currently on the building. It's at least eight feet above the ground. So it should not present a hazard. It's the B of A corporate design and colors, white background, the red and the blue text and imagery. As part of this application, because B of A has ceased branch operations at this location, the large wall signs on the west elevation fronting bridgeway and the south elevation fronting Spinnaker would be removed with this application. . Per the municipal code, the planning commission to approve the permit has to make the following findings. So, And, uh, We have determined that All of the findings can be made in the staff report. Sampling of the findings are that the proposed sign is consistent with the applicable sign standards. In this case the sign complies with the standards of the sign and awning regulations in Zoning Ordinance Chapter 10.42. including maximum permitted size, lettering and design. The sign will not adversely impact the public health safety or general because it includes the installation of one business identification sign a minimum of eight feet above the ground and it's not thus not anticipated to impact public health safety or welfare. And the proposed sign is consistent with the highest graphic standards and composed of durable and appropriate materials. The signage will be an attractive design composed of red, white, and blue graphics consistent with the owner's corporate color scheme. utilizing aluminum steel for the sign structure and acrylic for the sign faces. Staff recommends that the planning commission approve the draft resolution for the approval of the proposed new blade sign 750 bridgeway. Alternatively, the planning commission may deny the application and direct staff to prepare a resolution with specific findings for denial or continue the hearing for additional information and or project revisions. and staff is available if you have questions. |
| 01:58:31.36 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Brian. Karen Hollweg, Are there any questions of Commissioners. for Brian. Mr. Pierce. |
| 01:58:38.58 | David Ensign | Thank you, Chair Nichols, and thank you, Brad, for the presentation. I have a couple questions. The proposal includes the removal of the existing Bank of America dimensional letters and other graphics. on the wood facade. Will that removal result in visible ghosting of those letters on the wood? And if so, are there some mitigation plans to address that? |
| 01:59:01.18 | Brad Evanson | Through the chair my recollection and I'm gonna have to look I thought that we included conditions of approval. that um the uh the wall facings uh be uh repaired uh as needed to uh address any such problems along those lines. I thought that had been done, If it didn't, we will certainly be able to add a condition for that. |
| 01:59:20.60 | David Ensign | the game. |
| 01:59:25.04 | David Ensign | Thank you. And my other question has to do with, I guess, Ugh. sign requirements Should. Bank of America no longer, I mean, they no longer occupy that building as an active business. I imagine that building is going to have a different, uh, another lessee at some point who will want some graphic of, additions to their, to the facade to announce their business. How do our, how do the calculations for signage? for any new business skills in there include the existing signage for the Bank of America ATM |
| 02:00:04.83 | Brad Evanson | Through the chair, I would have to do some research on the sign and code to see. I know in general, there are standards that apply to multi-tenant buildings. I'm not sure. this one I would have to look at a specific proposal given that it's in a unique district, the waterfront district, Um, there's, uh, not a lot of businesses that we deal with on a regular basis that are in this zoning district. In fact, It's because of this district that this item is actually even before the planning commission because a sign this small normally would be an administrative sign permit reviewed by the community development director but there is a, uh, provision in the zoning ordinance that internally illuminated signs within the waterfront district require planning commission review of the sign permit request so um i honestly don't know what the process would be but any request that would come in we would certainly work with the applicant to review what the opportunities are, what the code restrictions include. And we would go from there. Thank you. And to your previous point, I did look and we do have a condition, condition number two. requires any repairs to the building surfaces needed due to the removal of the existing wall signs shall match the existing surfaces and color material and finish. |
| 02:01:31.52 | David Ensign | Thank you. That's all I have, Chair Nicholson. |
| 02:01:33.19 | Vicki Nichols | Great, thank you. Anyone else? |
| 02:01:35.19 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 02:01:37.34 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:01:37.35 | Janelle Kellman | And I suppose I had a question. |
| 02:01:39.60 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. |
| 02:01:40.97 | Janelle Kellman | First, thank you, Brad, for the presentation and Commissioner Pierce for reading my mind again about your question about the ghosting. Thank you for that. But, you know i know that that there's some some interest in in using this area at the Bank of America building for potentially other uses. And I know that there have been some requests put in for some of our restaurants to be using the front area. So I just wanna make sure that when we're looking at this this application that I'm not sure. that we are anticipating that. I don't see any issues with the signs in particular but the awnings and the alignments and things like that could be, in parallel being developed to achieve something else. So I just wanted to ask you, Brad, if you're aware, if there are any other requests on this particular building other than this Sign. the removal and the addition of the ATM signage |
| 02:02:50.54 | Brad Evanson | Through the chair I have not seen any requests I've not heard any requests. As you said, there have been there's been plenty of general speculation about what could go there. But there's been no formal proposals that I've been a party to. That being said, any proposal that would come in. We would go ahead and review that against the code against the municipal code to see what standards would apply, what the standards would allow. and . B of A is the actual owner of the building. So were they to lease it to another tenant presumably they would hash out as part of a lease agreement any accommodations that they would still need to maintain their ATM cluster there and whatever. improvements needed to support that. But at this point, no, there are no formal proposals for anything going on that I'm aware of. |
| 02:03:52.29 | Janelle Kellman | Rhett, I guess, and I don't want to get too far in the weeds, because this is really... And I'm sorry if I've led us there. That was not my intent, but... Um, yeah, again, I have no issues with the sign in particular, and I appreciate the clarifications and the lumens and such for the, for the backlighting. but at the special meeting last week, It was identified that Kapita had requested outdoor dining. there at that area. So I just want to make sure that we're all connecting the dots. As it relates to the signage in particular, I have no issue. But I want to make sure that we're clear what's happening here in Parallel. |
| 02:04:31.35 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. So Lily, can you hear that? Because I have an update and I'm sure you do too. |
| 02:04:39.67 | Heidi Scoble | I'd be happy to. Brad, can you actually go to the site plan again? or the plan showing where the, |
| 02:04:44.47 | Vicki Nichols | Yeah. |
| 02:04:50.08 | Heidi Scoble | this sign. |
| 02:04:55.40 | Brad Evanson | I don't know that I actually had a site plan in the presentation. |
| 02:05:00.40 | Heidi Scoble | of the Karen Hollweg, Where the oh yeah so with a blade sign is where the blade sign is proposing to be. located. There you go. Sorry, the next slide. |
| 02:05:06.82 | Brad Evanson | Thank you. |
| 02:05:06.84 | Councilmember Riley | There you go. |
| 02:05:08.87 | Heidi Scoble | Yeah, there we go here. So the, um, Yeah, so that's where it will be removed, but where the existing, where the blade sign will go. the previous slide. So Kapita's original plan was to have outdoor seating temporarily. um, in the PRACA. um, But they have sent moved their plan to be along. at Anchor Street. sidewalk there. So. I do not think. So I think that I think if I understood you, correctly Commissioner Feller your concern was impact. to both activities occurring at the same time. Is that the question? Yeah, we might want to bring the applicant on the line and ask them about their timing for when when they would be installing. the blade sign. and doing the work and then removing the other sign-in. Thank you. |
| 02:06:10.70 | Councilmember Riley | Thank you. |
| 02:06:10.71 | Heidi Scoble | Brad, you know if the applicant's on the line? |
| 02:06:13.46 | Brad Evanson | I believe they were. I've been talking to them. They were ready to go. And then they realized that it was a long meeting with the joint from the council, but I thought they were online. |
| 02:06:25.04 | Vice Chair Kellman | Can I ask a question of staff before we bring them on? Certainly. Yeah, so Lily, I thought on the last council meeting that there was talk about the city purchasing that building. Um, So what's the status of city taking over ownership? |
| 02:06:45.20 | Vicki Nichols | I THINK THOSE ARE CLOSED ITEMS IF THAT'S EVEN BEING CONSIDERED. |
| 02:06:51.52 | Brad Evanson | Thank you. And the applicant is online, by the way. |
| 02:06:56.73 | Richard Graff | I have a question. |
| 02:06:59.50 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. |
| 02:07:01.49 | Richard Graff | Yeah, there's no... icon for raising my hand on my |
| 02:07:07.68 | Vicki Nichols | It's okay. I'm seeing you in the screen. So it'll work that way. |
| 02:07:12.41 | Richard Graff | Right. I'm just letting you know. My question is, is the sign, the existing sign over the ATM machines, Is that an illuminated sign? |
| 02:07:30.24 | Brad Evanson | Gosh, off the top of my head, I really don't recall. I don't think I've ever driven past that at night. thinking about paying attention to it. I would defer to the applicant, they would probably be able to better tell whether or not that is illuminated. but they are on the line and we'll be making a presentation whenever you're ready for them. |
| 02:07:51.64 | David Ensign | Well, let me... If I may build on Richard's question, asking that and taking into account the size of the proposed blade size. if they. linear footage of store frontage on which signage size is calculated. is now limited to the length of that ATM his staff. gone ahead and figured out what the allowable square footage and signage would be for The Bank of America. |
| 02:08:16.99 | Brad Evanson | Through the chair, no, but signage is allowed to be um, an aggregate 20 square feet, if I remember correctly. and I would have to look more closely at what the actual sign face of the ATM sign is. given that this blade sign is three feet, I suspect that we're still under that limit. |
| 02:08:43.38 | Ian Connolly | Thank you. |
| 02:08:44.04 | Vicki Nichols | Karen Hollweg, Anyone else. So I'm just going to ask Brad, just for the record, this is, as you've mentioned, is in the W zone. It gets a little dicey down there for the way the Uh, historic district goes around buildings but this is definitely is that correct? |
| 02:09:01.03 | Brad Evanson | That is correct. |
| 02:09:01.96 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. And there's no, there's nothing to do with any neon here. |
| 02:09:07.38 | Brad Evanson | No, no, there is no neon proposed with this. It is aluminum and metal framework, typical, laser cut acrylic sign faces and internally illuminated by multiple LED elements. And those, I believe the LED elements were in the plans if they weren't in the plans the applicant can provide a set but no it's internal LED elements no neon nothing like that. Um, uh animated about this. It's just a straight THE END OF THE END OF THE one and a half. or one and three quarter by two and three quarter foot square foot sign. |
| 02:09:52.43 | Vicki Nichols | right and i did read the staff report i'm just confirming that because it is adjacent to the historic district and so sure some of those um |
| 02:09:58.44 | Brad Evanson | Sure. |
| 02:10:00.50 | Vicki Nichols | requirements are a little bit more strict. So sure. Okay, thank you. Unless there's more questions, I invite the applicant to to come forward. I believe they're on the phone. Is that right, Brad? |
| 02:10:16.72 | Brad Evanson | Yes, it would be she has her hand raised. Lori's iPhone 11 is the contact. |
| 02:10:23.23 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. So Ian, could we unmute Lori's iPhone? |
| 02:10:28.21 | Brad Evanson | She is. There we go. |
| 02:10:29.68 | Vicki Nichols | Oh, there she goes. Okay. Hi, Lori. Oh, hi. Thank you. Would you like to give your presentation? Generally, we allow 15 minutes. If we have questions and stop you, Stop the clock. |
| 02:10:44.81 | Lori | Well, Brad's done a very good job of summarizing what is being proposed And the only thing I would offer is to answer the question about the existing signs those are non-illuminated they were those were never illuminated they didn't light up at night |
| 02:11:03.41 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 02:11:03.43 | Lori | Thank you. |
| 02:11:03.46 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 02:11:03.63 | Lori | Thank you, too. |
| 02:11:03.66 | Commissioner Grass | Oh. |
| 02:11:06.04 | Lori | Does anybody have any questions that they might have of me that I can answer? Um, Brad's answered every question that I could pick up. |
| 02:11:17.77 | Vicki Nichols | I see Richard has one Commissioner Graff |
| 02:11:20.99 | Richard Graff | Yeah, so this blade sign, being two sided. Obviously one side is directed towards Bridgeway. where there's most people. And it's two sided so The other side is oriented sort of to the to the rear. And I'm wondering, is that, I'm just curious. about are there that many people who would need to see that sign from that side. of the building. |
| 02:11:57.04 | Vicki Nichols | And I'll just say, is that meant to notify the buses, visitors that are coming in on the buses that park right behind there, they would be able to see that. |
| 02:12:08.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:08.99 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. |
| 02:12:09.22 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:12:09.91 | Vicki Nichols | Possibly. I don't know. Is that your intention, Laurie? |
| 02:12:12.87 | Lori | Well, there's a parking lot right there on the side. Right. So that's, also, people that are going to be seeing that, being able to identify that there's the ATM right there. |
| 02:12:28.22 | Sonya Hansen | Thank you. |
| 02:12:28.26 | Lori | I'm not sure. |
| 02:12:28.34 | Sonya Hansen | I'm not sure. |
| 02:12:28.43 | Lori | Thank you. |
| 02:12:28.53 | Sonya Hansen | Thank you. |
| 02:12:28.86 | Lori | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:12:30.03 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:12:30.10 | Lori | Thank you. |
| 02:12:30.13 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. I just have a quick question if there's no more from the commissioners. Lori, that would be, do you have any intention of and or plans to how long this will be illuminated at night. And we have an adjacent group financial institute that we uh, put some time restrictions about how long that sign can be illuminated in the evening. So what, what, what were you intending to do? |
| 02:13:00.27 | Lori | I did not have an intent. Usually that is a conversation we have at the permit level. |
| 02:13:00.59 | Vicki Nichols | I did not. |
| 02:13:05.42 | Lori | So it does vary from situation to situation. |
| 02:13:10.29 | Vicki Nichols | Can you give us an idea? Maybe we can have a quick conversation about it and get that settled this evening. |
| 02:13:15.17 | Lori | Thank you. |
| 02:13:15.76 | Vicki Nichols | WELL, I DON'T KNOW. |
| 02:13:16.27 | Lori | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:13:16.77 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:13:16.84 | Lori | The most common is an electronic eye that is used and will start turning on at dusk. And then when the sun comes up, that's when it turns off. |
| 02:13:28.40 | Vicki Nichols | So that's. |
| 02:13:28.42 | Lori | So that's the most common. |
| 02:13:30.22 | Vicki Nichols | Is it like a motion detector if someone approaches it, it lights up or it stays on all the time? |
| 02:13:35.64 | Lori | It just detects light or absence of it. So it's called an electronic eye. That's another. It's pretty common, commonly used. but also We utilize an astronomical time clock where it utilizes both a timer and an electronic eye. because sometimes During the day, it gets quite dark because of the clouds. And those electronic eyes will turn on. And the timer can bypass certain situations where you don't want the sign to go on just because it's a little darker. So we can utilize both those things. |
| 02:14:19.97 | Vicki Nichols | Commissioner Sam, any thought about that? Generally, we don't have any sign that stays on all night. I believe Chase goes on it. up at 10 maybe commissioner Pierce remembers |
| 02:14:32.10 | Lori | Well, especially with a bank, I would caution You... because I'm a woman and if I have to run to the bank for some reason, And I'm in the middle of the night. I'm gonna want to be able to get to that ATM from my car and get back. So, That's the only reason that I can think light maybe may have to see on a little bit longer. |
| 02:14:58.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:15:02.33 | Lori | uh to quickly identify the location of the atm Maybe it's a safety issue. What are your thoughts on that? |
| 02:15:11.03 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. I think if that's the issue that the signage can be smaller, Then that and achieve the same you know, flagging from the street. So the intention is to A safety thing, I think that's a different evaluation It's a, an advertisement for the ATM itself. So if they're weighed equally for you, we will weigh them equally up here, or wherever we are. But if it's, yeah, I mean, that's a consideration and a useful one. But I think there's other ways to preserve that. |
| 02:15:48.09 | Lori | Truly there is. I'm just thinking purely from a safety. I think it's an additional benefit to the sign. |
| 02:15:55.19 | Councilmember Riley | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:15:55.77 | Janelle Kellman | No. |
| 02:15:55.84 | Lori | Bye. |
| 02:15:56.60 | Janelle Kellman | I agree with that. I really don't have any issue with the sign. And I think comparing it to Chase, although I get that obviously they're both financial institutions. Chase is over with residences above it and the Bank of America building isn't. It's a standalone building. across the street next to its own parking lot. where the ATMs are. |
| 02:16:22.06 | Vicki Nichols | And I think Chase had a lobby too, so it was a little bit different. Chase has that lobby situation too, so it's a little bit different, yeah. |
| 02:16:33.35 | David Ensign | When you think about it, you can only see the chase from one perspective, that's from Bridgeway, this building is accessible from 360 degrees it is helpful to be able to see to be directed to that equipment from under a vantage point. |
| 02:16:49.97 | Vice Chair Kellman | How about this? If we don't have any further questions for the applicant, we can have this dialogue. after we close the public comment? |
| 02:16:58.56 | Unknown | Sounds good. |
| 02:16:59.67 | Vicki Nichols | . |
| 02:17:08.36 | Unknown | a hand up. |
| 02:17:09.01 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:17:09.04 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:17:09.16 | Vicki Nichols | I see one hand. |
| 02:17:19.77 | Jan Johnson | Hi. I think the sign is fine, except I don't see why it has to be internally illuminated. Light pollution is cumulative. The park behind this building is a roosting area for waterfowl. And it's also got all kinds of other little critters living in it. Lighting and nocturnal environment upsets the So I have to look at this to say it. It's... upsets the nighttime environment for nocturnal animals. oftentimes decreases breeding and survival. So I would like to say, I think the sign is fine, but It should be turned off at 10. Um, because it's, uh, um, No detriment to our fauna. And that's it. Thank you very much for the opportunity. Thank you. |
| 02:18:24.00 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:18:24.02 | Jan Johnson | Thank you. |
| 02:18:24.03 | Vicki Nichols | Sandra Bushmaker. |
| 02:18:33.72 | Sandra Bushmaker | Good evening, once again. I just wanted to ask if the building changes ownership, will the ATM stay and will this new sign that you're approving stay? Thank you. |
| 02:18:50.41 | Vicki Nichols | I think I have to address that to staff. I have no idea what the council is considering |
| 02:18:50.59 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 02:18:56.03 | Vicki Nichols | So we've heard rumors. rumors have been circulating in the community, but I don't think that's before us, but So I think that's a good question. |
| 02:19:07.06 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. I don't have any information. on what's going to happen with that building. |
| 02:19:17.12 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. Alice Merrill has her hand up. |
| 02:19:28.50 | Alice Merrill | I just want to ditto Jan. I believe that light pollution We have enough of it already and to have something go on all night long when, you know, What are the chances people are really going to come in there at 3 in the morning? I just think it should have a time when it turns off. Thank you. |
| 02:19:48.64 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Allison. Anyone else? I see no more. Ian, do you see, I see no more hands raised. |
| 02:20:02.08 | Ian Connolly | There appears to be no more public comment at this time. |
| 02:20:05.43 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, we're going to close public comment and bring it back up here. And can you just, Brad, for our... can you just confirm, you mentioned the illumination and the comparison. of the the output of light to another source and I don't remember exactly what it was. |
| 02:20:27.32 | Brad Evanson | That was a 100 watt bulb. This sign would put out less illumination than a 100 watt bulb would. |
| 02:20:35.76 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, thank you. Okay, would anybody like to start the discussion? Richard? |
| 02:20:45.17 | Richard Graff | Yeah. I have several things. It's hard to imagine that a sign with that size face, to be visible is only gonna be as bright as 100 watt bulb. I don't know how that's measured because a 100-watt bulb is a Bye. elimination. And that's a a rectangular surface. So I think it's different. So I'm wondering, how that's determined. The other thing is regarding safety and lighting. I'm assuming that there is lighting under the- It cannot be. for nighttime use of the ATM. So in terms of going there, it seems to be that it's. probably already fairly safe unless I'm wrong about that. It seems like there certainly ought to be lighting there. Um, Um... So, um, I... The sign itself, I don't have any huge objection to. It's a small scale. I understand how it needs to be oriented towards the on the water side of the building. I wondered whether the whole face needs to be illuminated. and whether the design could be such that the logo and the words are what's eliminated. and not the whole rectangular face of a sign, that would be my I'd like to see that option. |
| 02:22:30.05 | Unknown | I'm not sure. |
| 02:22:33.07 | Richard Graff | explore Um, That's Pretty much it. |
| 02:22:40.38 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. I think we might be able to ask the applicant and another clarification, but let's see if anybody else has other comments and questions and we'll ask her at once if you don't mind, Lori, we'll save them and ask you conclusion here. Okay. |
| 02:22:54.96 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 02:22:55.00 | Vicki Nichols | Hello. |
| 02:22:55.33 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. Sorry? Would you have any comments? I do, yes, thank you Chair Nichols. I appreciate the public commenting on this and their sensitivity to our environment and those that we share it with, with the four of fauna and so on. But I think we're also forgetting that there's streetlights and other type of lighting. that aren't necessarily on timers going off at 10 p.m. in that part of town. And the fact that this sign is relatively in scale small to the other light sources. and has a rather low lumen count. |
| 02:23:37.35 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 02:23:38.58 | Janelle Kellman | I have no concern or issue with proving this particular sign. It's being overshadowed by the other lighting in the area that is not to the natural environment down there. So those are my comments. |
| 02:23:56.83 | David Ensign | Thank you. |
| 02:23:56.86 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:23:57.03 | David Ensign | Thank you. Morgan? Yes, thank you. comments from both and Commissioner Graff. At least what I was assuming from my understanding of the safety comments that the applicant was making was less to do with creating illumination for safety, but actually making the sign easily recognizable from a distance. Okay. from a quick wayfinding standpoint. um, that's that. Thank you. |
| 02:24:25.92 | Councilmember Riley | Neither he is. |
| 02:24:26.05 | David Ensign | either here nor there were in concert with what the commissioner was mentioning about the illumination that already exists there. And there's parking lot lighting. There's building lighting. There's a lot of ambient lighting surrounding that. I mean, quite frankly, you could get rid of the internal illumination and still be able to see this thing. Because when you drive by that ATM, that thing is glowing like a hot box. Um, If it had to be illuminated, I would strongly advocate that we condition it to turn off. roughly in concert with the time that the last business closes in the vicinity. And whether that's Poggio or no name bars, something like that. That would seem like a reasonable accommodated. |
| 02:25:10.75 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, thank you. Vice Chair. KELMAN? |
| 02:25:14.72 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. |
| 02:25:14.75 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:25:14.97 | Vice Chair Kellman | I think Commissioner Peters just summed up my comments very succinctly. It's going to make the same suggestion that in light Um, the goals of the program from the applicant, but also taking into mind that, be hard pressed to find anything open down there after 10 PM. I think we just look at this like a business and As businesses turn off their lights and close up for the night, doing that as well. And since there's no place to spend money, I'm sort of less concerned about somebody trying to find I'm not. the ATM at three in the morning. But other than that, I'm fine with the design and the proposal as submitted with that sort of nighttime turnoff |
| 02:25:59.05 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. So I just think for Mr. Commissioner Graff, I believe you said that there wasn't illumination, but I think there is illumination now on the ATM. as Commissioner Pierce just mentioned, is that correct? |
| 02:26:15.32 | Richard Graff | be certain it is. Okay. I was asking if the sign over the ATM Was eliminated. I have been assuming that the area in front of the ATM under the canopy. was eliminated for for convenience and for safety. |
| 02:26:37.58 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. that we're going to be able to continue to be able to do |
| 02:26:46.57 | Lori | I'm not 100% sure which sign he's referring to. Is it the one that we're removing from the wall? because typically the ATM does have illumination and it's usually identified. |
| 02:27:04.48 | Lori | I can pull up. Thank you. A photo from our survey. I'm not 100% sure if I have a photo. of the ATM itself. Um, it looks like if I'm looking at this picture, if I increase the, Yes, it does say bake America. beneath the awning and It looks shadowed, so I assume it's set back a little bit. But usually there's some lighting around the machine itself. And Bank of America will light up on the ATM itself. And that does face the street there, the ATM. |
| 02:27:53.78 | Vicki Nichols | So Lori, if someone did happen to stumble on the ATM at 3 a.m., there is a safety. or security light there as someone would be able to do their transaction by the existing live. Is that right? |
| 02:28:05.36 | Lori | Thank you. |
| 02:28:05.92 | Vicki Nichols | I'm just not sure. |
| 02:28:06.90 | Lori | Thank you. No, and I'm sorry I ever brought it up. I was just thinking of myself. Yeah, of course. I appreciated knowing quickly where something was. It was just, you know, I just, I pay attention to how I react to stuff like that. |
| 02:28:12.57 | Janelle Kellman | None of them are you. |
| 02:28:13.39 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 02:28:22.49 | Lori | And I know that I want a quick in and out of a situation which may not be 100% safe. It's the only reason I brought it up. And I wish I hadn't, because I just, wanted to point out that it might be an additional benefit to the sign being there I'm thinking of a single mom that has to run to the, |
| 02:28:39.04 | Commissioner Grass | Yeah. |
| 02:28:42.33 | Lori | you know, ATM late at night with a baby in the car. I think of those things. So forgive me for bringing it up. |
| 02:28:51.36 | Vicki Nichols | No, it's all right. So are we, if everyone has given their, I'm actually okay with the sign. I don't think it's too large. I think that it serves a function I agree with. the information or the suggestions by Commissioner Pierce that under the circumstances since we now know that this is illuminated, at the box, if you will, the wall of where the box, the ATM is, I would be amenable to turning the sign off at You know, I, The time is variable to me, but I agree that last business, it needs to go. That's how I would be able to make the findings. So if there's a motion, |
| 02:29:40.38 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:29:40.40 | Vice Chair Kellman | I'll make the motion that we approve Uh, the sign permit project ID 2020, zero, zero, zero six, zero. Um, for signage at 750 Bridgeway. with the inclusion of a turn off of the lighting I don't know if you want me to dictate a specific time or leave it to staff to indicate the last |
| 02:30:07.64 | David Ensign | the closure of the last. If Chase goes off at 10 p.m., perhaps this should be on. |
| 02:30:07.74 | Vice Chair Kellman | of the last. |
| 02:30:13.36 | Vice Chair Kellman | That works for me. Happy to say 10 p.m. specifically. |
| 02:30:19.19 | Vicki Nichols | Is there a second? |
| 02:30:21.07 | David Ensign | I'll second. |
| 02:30:21.96 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, any further discussion on the motion? Richard, would you like to add something? |
| 02:30:28.81 | Richard Graff | So I just I'm fine with it. Um, I, uh, I don't know that it needs to be given the situation with the other lighting around there, I don't know that it even needs to be turned off. I don't mind it being turned off. but I think You know, it could be okay if it wasn't. So, um, |
| 02:30:52.83 | Vicki Nichols | you Okay? Does the maker of the motion accept that friendly amendment or she'd like to Be firm. on the |
| 02:31:03.93 | Vice Chair Kellman | I think I'm going to keep the motion that I that I issued with the support of Commissioner Pierce? |
| 02:31:08.69 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, thank you. Lily, will you call the roll, please? Commissioner Feller. |
| 02:31:15.08 | Unknown | Yes. Commissioner Graff, |
| 02:31:19.44 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 02:31:19.46 | Unknown | Commissioner Pierce. Yes. |
| 02:31:20.82 | David Ensign | Thank you. |
| 02:31:22.04 | Unknown | I share comments. Yes. Thank you, Nicole. |
| 02:31:26.16 | Vicki Nichols | Yes. And just for the record, I think |
| 02:31:27.74 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 02:31:29.56 | Vicki Nichols | Right. That particular building is special. It's the only Wooster, Bernardi, and Emmons commercial building in Sausalito. And so it's a very special building. So thank you for taking care of it. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. I think we have our next at one and three Harbor Drive. Lily, would you like to set us up with an introduction? Hello. Sure. |
| 02:32:03.03 | Heidi Scoble | your item 8B on your agenda. It's a design review permit and a clear mobile permit. at one in Free Harbor Drive. And again, we have Brad giving you the staff presentation as the staff planner. |
| 02:32:18.49 | Unknown | Good evening again. Let me get this. going here. |
| 02:32:28.31 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 02:32:58.39 | Brad Evanson | And apparently I was muted. Apologies for that. Um, So anyway, this is a comprehensive landscape plan for the Harbor Drive office park at Harbor and Bridgeway. that we're going to have It's right there. facility's been constructed for 40 some years I believe it was. They're requesting a design review for a comprehensive landscape plan with goals to refresh the site's appearance and decrease water usage and maintenance costs by using more water efficient fixtures and more water efficient plants and other improvements like that. With that, they have proposed a tree removal permit to remove 51 trees from the site, including 34 heritage trees, or no, I'm sorry, that was a mistake. 25 heritage trees. There are 34 heritage trees on site. They're proposing to remove 25 of them. The bulk of the trees that would be removed are various reasons of their decaying, their unhealthy, their ones that are damaged or could cause damage or they don't fit with the updated landscape palette that the applicant has proposed. The existing site has been assessed and divided into several work phases, including internal courtyard renovations at the three Harvard Drive building. North property line fencing trash and transformer enclosure rehabilitation upgrade. Bridgeway streetscape landscaping, Harbor Drive streetscape landscaping, parking island treatment upgrades and a general replacement of high water usage turf with native grasses and other less water intensive plants. For the tree removal, the arborist conducted an inventory resulting in a total of 101 trees on site. 51 of those trees were selected for removal. including 34 heritage trees. I got to double check that number. Per the Arborist Report, most of these are Fremont Cottonwood trees or Lombardy Poplar trees, both of which are noted as high water need and having root issues in confined planter space. Other rationale for the tree removal include surface rooting and conflicts with infrastructure including parking spaces and concrete drainage ditches on site. Um, As you can see, here is the existing site plan. where they have divided it up into the different work zones that I mentioned. Uh, the, uh, building entrances to one Harbor drive. the courtyard at Three Harbor Drive, the various perimeter upgrades, Ridgeway landscaping, harbor landscaping, And then here is a representation of their master plan, the master planning plan they've proposed. that's not going to be a with the mix of the different ground covers, and the various trees that they would be replacing the ones that are removed with. Here are some current site images showing the larger expanses of the turf. the condition of some of the trees that they're in a less than healthy looking appearance or that they are Um, Thank you. showing conflict with the hardscape improvements on the site, A couple more images. They would be looking to upgrade the parking lot entrances. You can see again more of the turf. But, For this, there's again, the design review permit. As staff has reviewed this, the proposed project can make all the required findings for a design review and these are outlined in the staff report and resolution. A few to highlight include the proposed architecture site to design compliment the surrounding neighborhood by either maintaining the prevailing design character or making a distinctive contribution to Sausalito's design diversity. And the proposed improvements would refresh the appearance of the site by utilizing hardscape improvements reflected current trends and modern water efficient landscaping. This would provide a modern gateway into Sausalito and provide a design character that other sites along Bridgeway can utilize in the future should they consider renovations. The proposed landscaping provides appropriate visual relief complements the buildings and structures on site and provides an attractive environment for enjoyment of the public. The proposed project is primarily landscaping with the stated goals to refresh and update the appearance of the site. while removing dead or decaying plants and increasing water efficiency. The plant palette and proposed hardscape improvements will result in an attractive view scape along a prominent entry corridor into Sausalito while providing an inviting environment for the tenants and users of the site. the tree removal permit findings. Per the Arborist report, they have proposed that findings can be made. finding one the removal must accomplish one of the following ensure public safety relating to health tree hazard life proximity structures. a reasonable enjoyment of the property take reasonable advantage of views and pursue good forestry landscaping practices. The proposed project that proposes a comprehensive refresh of the landscaping on the project say which includes removal 51 trees 25 of which are protected trees so. Confirm that but i'm 99% sure that it's 34 heritage trees on site 25 of which are slated to be removed. Without going tree by tree, the primary objectives with the tree removal include reducing hazards, proximity to existing improvements in public safety, such as conflicts of sidewalks, drainage ditches, decaying trees overhanging sidewalks and parking spaces, and then pursuit of good landscape design and practice by removal of trees that are diseased, decaying, or awkwardly growing due to presence of or past removal of immediately adjacent trees. Uh, Finding two, the removed trees will either be replaced with desirable trees or the planning commission waives the above requirement. The project arborist proposes a comprehensive planting plan for new trees throughout the site to replace those that are removed and that is included in the arborist report attached to the staff report. Finding three, any of the following is grounds for denial. Removal can be avoided by thinning, shaping, topping or site plan redesign. Adequate provisions for drainage, erosion control, stability, screening center have not been made. The tree is part of a grouping where each tree is dependent on the others. The value of the tree to the neighborhood is greater than inconvenience to the owner or the tree is needed for privacy between properties. The removal of the healthy protected trees was proposed because none of the canopy reduction measures that are identified in finding A listed above would achieve the project goals. The overall project will incorporate measures to address provisions for drainage, erosion control, land stability and foliage damage. None of the trees to be removed are members of an interdependent grouping. nor the trees critical to site protection and privacy concerns. Finally, the removal of the trees are not expected to create adverse effects regarding visual audible or wind patterns. None of the findings can be made for grounds for denial. And the recommendation staff recommends the planning commission approve the draft resolution for approval of the design review permit for the comprehensive landscape master plan for the harbor drive executive office park. And approval of the tree removal permit to remove 25 heritage trees as identified in the project arborist report from urban forestry associates dated December 2 2019. Alternatively, the planning commission may deny the application direct staff to prepare a resolution with the specific findings for denial. or continue the hearing for additional information and or project revisions and staffs available if you have questions. |
| 02:40:52.06 | Ian Connolly | Chair Nichols, you're muted. |
| 02:40:52.08 | Lisa Chilino | CHAIR NICHOLAS. |
| 02:41:01.81 | Vice Chair Kellman | You're still muted, Vicki. |
| 02:41:06.67 | Vicki Nichols | There we go. up. Thank you. |
| 02:41:09.19 | Janelle Kellman | You're muted. |
| 02:41:10.06 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:41:10.15 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 02:41:11.26 | Vicki Nichols | Pardon? |
| 02:41:12.07 | Janelle Kellman | There you go. |
| 02:41:15.73 | Janelle Kellman | Now you're not muted. Okay. |
| 02:41:19.58 | Vicki Nichols | Right, okay. Any questions of staff? |
| 02:41:26.32 | Vicki Nichols | Not from me. Thank you. Okay. Ms. Pierce. |
| 02:41:31.02 | David Ensign | Yes, thank you, thank you, Brad. this is more of a Thank you. recommendation in the form of a question. Can staff for future I think the staff reports can be formed at the pages for the commission prior to sending the packet. A lot of the arborist report pages were rotated 90 degrees and had to go in and crop and reconfigure. So if we could set it out with that already done, that would be great. I understand the time constraints are sometimes |
| 02:41:50.93 | Unknown | I had to go in |
| 02:42:01.52 | David Ensign | Make that request. |
| 02:42:02.09 | Brad Evanson | Through the chair yeah that that actually is how it came from the applicant a couple of different times so that was just something that yeah as we were trying to get it squared away we. weren't able to get a good clean copy together, but we'll make sure that in the future, particularly as we refine the electronic submittal requirements and procedures that, we get the applicants better attuned to what it is that how we need the documents formatted. |
| 02:42:31.32 | David Ensign | Thank you. Additionally, the arborist report only included 12 photos out of the 25 heritage trees proposed for removal. Was that an oversight or? but they just choose not to including certain ones. |
| 02:42:44.01 | Brad Evanson | I would defer to the applicants who I believe are online to make their presentation to confirm what their intent was with that. |
| 02:42:53.41 | David Ensign | This may be a question for them as well. This is my last question. The applicant implies that the proposed trees will require less water than the established mature ones. Did they provide irrigation calculations to support this client? |
| 02:43:05.22 | Brad Evanson | through the chair no they did not we were going off of just what they provided in terms of general practice for the different species of what the watering needs are. |
| 02:43:20.68 | David Ensign | Bye. Thank you. That's all I have for now. Thank you. |
| 02:43:23.55 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. Commissioner Feller. Thank you, Chair Nichols. And thank you, Commissioner Pierce for asking about the irrigation calculations and water I think it's an important fact that we have to get our heads around to understand the justification here. But I'm also interested in understanding Brad, if there's any indication of how old these trees are that are being proposed to be removed. |
| 02:43:55.74 | Brad Evanson | Through the chair, I am not certain of the exact age when I was doing my research. on this, my recollection was that the, uh, A property had been developed. uh, 40 some years ago, um, back in the late 70s, early 80s, I think it was. presume without confirming with the property owners that the trees are probably in that age range. to Thank you. 40, depending on whether they've been replaced over the time or not. |
| 02:44:31.43 | Janelle Kellman | Okay, perhaps if the arborist is available, we can ask the question of the arborist. we can defer that question. Um, That's all I'll ask for now. Thank you. |
| 02:44:44.50 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 02:44:44.93 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 02:44:44.97 | Vicki Nichols | Mr. Vice Chair Kelman? I don't have anything at this time. Thank you. Okay, Richard? Okay, great. Would the applicant like to give their presentation? Um, |
| 02:45:02.15 | Brad Evanson | That would be Kai Okada. |
| 02:45:04.80 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. So I'll just, familiarize you with our format here. We give you 15 minutes for your whole team. So as individuals want to speak, that's 15 minutes total. You may want to save some time for rebuttal. And if you get asked a question, we'll stop the clock. That won't be counted against you if we need more information. So with that, if you'd like to introduce yourself and begin, we'd be happy to hear your presentation. |
| 02:45:38.56 | Pete Peterson | Uh, I'm Pete Peterson. I'm the landscape architect. put together in the packet with my assistant Kyle Cotta. And thank you, Madam Chairman, members of the Planning Commission and staff. for doing the town's business. It seems like you got a little Flackford going too fast on something prior to this and I just I appreciate it. I sit on the San Asselmo Planning Commission and I am in your chairs on a regular basis. So, Our project is looking at, as staff so aptly stated that we're trying to get to update the center We're trying to get some water conservation elements in it and trying to and, freshen up a lot of the plant material to get a nice continuity throughout the development. We're looking at just, way too much water use on that site to keep those undulating lawns along bridgeway, and in the front of the property, irrigated. That's caused problems with the trees that are in those areas because they're watered so shallowly that the roots are right up at the at the, uh, right up at the surface and it's to, you can barely put a shovel in the ground around them. They're, they're very shallow. And so introducing new landscaping uh, is immensely difficult with those kinds of trees. Cottonwoods and Lombardi poplars, and those are you know, relatively short lived trees. Those trees, I, grew up in, in Southern Marin and that development went in about, those trees are about 40 years old. that whole, buildings were built when I was just out of college, a young landscape architect graduate from Cal Poly. And still, those are 40 years old. And that's, That's what you'd expect. Those are quick grow, quick show species, so you get a big canopy right away. And then. Uh, And the idea There were a lot more of the Lombardi poplars when it was planted. We've sort of emulated the way it's designed with our with the laburnum, the more spike, more exclamation point form that the trees have. The ones we're selecting are slower growing. little longer lives. To talk about, I could talk about the various areas of the plan, sort of how we're gonna move through it and do the work. Um, But I think the overall project Um, the idea is we can reduce our water use, get a handle on our maintenance, and create a a very attractive street frontage down Bridgeway. A lot of the Planting elements along Bridgeway are sort of for automotive scale, something you will We'll read as you move through. through the project. Um, Thank you. I want to save a little time for, uh, for, uh, uh, Dennis Fisco, he and I did 30-30 bridgeway a few years ago when it was a successful project. So we're sort of bringing a lot of the same components to bear. on this project here. |
| 02:49:22.78 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. So can I ask and we'll stop the clock here. This is Vicki. hooked up when I heard you say something about and I think it's a great question. work is going to be phased. I can't imagine it's going to be done all at once. What's your plan there? |
| 02:49:45.39 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 02:49:45.55 | Pete Peterson | Yeah, we've broken the |
| 02:49:45.59 | Vicki Nichols | So. |
| 02:49:48.77 | Pete Peterson | it into um, We've got 11. different components to the to the design. Uh, They, they, One of the early ones will be the treatments at in the courtyard at the building three There's a, We're going to renovate that courtyard area. We'd like to do the corner. in the Shundage along Bridgeway. And then as, uh, And we want to do some of the entries at building two. And then as we move through the project, begin to flesh out these other areas. I think we had, I'm going to let Dennis expand on that a little bit. The intent is, to do this over probably a couple of seasons. because it's a big outlay to do it all at once and we wanna be thoughtful about how we move through the project. |
| 02:50:48.10 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 02:50:48.12 | Pete Peterson | Uh, So |
| 02:50:51.07 | Vicki Nichols | So while we have the clock stopped, I've noticed, I think it was, |
| 02:50:51.12 | Councilmember Riley | So, |
| 02:50:51.19 | Pete Peterson | Exactly. |
| 02:50:57.80 | Vicki Nichols | I think it was this week or late last week that there has been some work being done at the in front of your building. I think it's a great question. I think it's a great question. I wondered, has that been permitted? |
| 02:51:05.13 | Commissioner Grass | Thank you. |
| 02:51:05.14 | Councilmember Riley | Yes. |
| 02:51:05.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:51:11.93 | Vicki Nichols | I'm not. low water plants. |
| 02:51:15.17 | Pete Peterson | Um, Actually, that was one of the first things we did, and we did that with Public Works. to take that hedge that ran along there. It was about a four-foot-high hedge It ran about 60 feet down the frontage there. And we worked with the town to be able to We have to rehabilitate that irrigation and put those new plants in there. And the idea is to have perhaps that corner be a little more open, a little safer. And those those hedges were . pretty sedacious, they're just about done. So that was permitted work with public works. And that was a, the first thing that we did. |
| 02:52:02.15 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, so that wasn't part of this project. |
| 02:52:04.48 | Pete Peterson | That is not part of this project, but it was, we did work with the town to do that work. |
| 02:52:09.98 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, thank you. Um, we've got the clock stopped now, Mr. Fisco, would you like to, uh, Continue along, you have 11 minutes left. Oh God, I was quick. Yeah, you were doing fine. |
| 02:52:26.30 | Vicki Nichols | I believe you're still muted. |
| 02:52:27.98 | Dennis Fisco | Okay, thank you. There you go. Thank you. I want to thank you as well as a former eight year planning commissioner and eight year council member and mayor of Mill Valley. I feel your pain on these late night meetings. Thanks for your time and attention here. Um, As Pete said, we started, we've been working together on a number of projects throughout Marin County over the years, probably starting out with Montecito Shopping Center and then and then back to the in Sausalito 3030 Bridgeway. When we purchased 3030 Bridgeway, it was very similar. The landscaping was over 40 years old. We brought... Pete and his team on board. and change not only the street side curb landscaping, had the city take out some of the big trees that were dead for several years along the roadway. and then use more drought-tolerant plants in that entire front area putting in drip irrigation. we were able to drop our irrigation Um, water usage by about 65% while bringing a much nicer environment to the curbside of the property. So much so that we won the first ever beautification award. from Sausalito Beautiful, so we're very proud Um, One in three Harbor is very similar to what we did at, uh, at 3030 Bridgeway, although the scope is much larger. the landscaping is 40 plus years old. So a lot of the trees have reached the end or are reaching the end of their useful life. There was no consideration when that landscaping was planted for water consumption and water usage. You have large expanses of lawn that could be better done with drought tolerant plants and drip irrigation. Uh, a number of these trees, while we haven't done any studies as to how much water they're consuming their very high water consumption uh, type trees. The idea would be to Um, bring those trees, take those trees out of there, put some more, uh, more water tolerant trees, put a whole new landscaping plan in place. And a good example, as you mentioned, Chair, Nichols is the the heads that we took down with the city's permission. We went through the process, took about seven months to get approval. But that hedge was about four four and a half feet high and about six to six and a half feet wide and had outlived its useful life. It was too large. There was no way to cut it back. without it being a bunch of sticks and and the like so Our plan was to take it down, put some more drought-tolerant plants along along the median there, along the curve, much like we did at 30-30, those will come up in the next year or so, and frankly, And we've already gotten a number of compliments as to the fact that that the hedge isn't there anymore and there's more visibility. So I'm happy to answer any questions you have. As Pete said, it's a phased... It's probably a three-year-old plan. year plan to do this extensive landscaping but again it's a 40 year redo of the landscaping. So much like you would take a building after 40 years and do some freshening up of the building. We believe in the environment and cleaning up the environment. So the landscaping and the physical appearance of the of the property are very important to us and that's why we'd like to move forward. So I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. Thank you for your time. |
| 02:56:40.33 | Vicki Nichols | Can I just ask you quickly, it was sort of implied or suggested in, in the staff report. that one of the the benefits of this your project would be that there and opportunity to coordinate improvements along bridgeway there. So you've got a neighbor to the north that's kind of doing their own thing, even as we speak, it looks like. And then of course you're mentioning that you have 30 Bridgeway. Has there been any discussion about any work And I'm not proposing or even suggesting that there has to be a uniform approach along the streetscape, but some coordination If there's been any, I'd like to hear about it. |
| 02:57:25.91 | Dennis Fisco | You know, there has not been any. There's a lot of desperate owners along that whole bridgeway, as you know. But I think that Um, being a leader and doing portions of it and showing the community and the other owners how beneficial it is, that's what gets things to move forward So, I think that's a good question. again, We'd like to improve that whole frontage along there. I know the commissioners have all been out there looking at it, but that whole front along Bridgeway with that, The bluegrass mound and the and the pine trees and the big hedges that are probably 15 feet overgrown Um, It just, if we could coordinate and put in a nice environment there, I'm relatively certain other property owners will follow suit. |
| 02:58:22.71 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, thank you. Are there any questions from the other, yes, Commissioner Feller. It's interesting. |
| 02:58:30.37 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you Chair Nichols. Thank you both for your presentation. I had asked staff if they knew how old the trees were that are in question here that you're looking to remove So, have you been able to assess exactly how old they, they are? |
| 02:58:49.44 | Pete Peterson | Well, as I mentioned, I was, in They're no more than 40 years old. for because this was built in the late 70s. I think I was a senior in college |
| 02:59:05.32 | Commissioner Grass | you know, |
| 02:59:05.37 | Pete Peterson | You know, and I remember those new buildings going in because it was kind of an exciting architecture. at the time, these were really cool buildings next to the old, uh, Industrial Arts buildings. And I put a hook in me back then because I was, you know, I'm a landscape architect, so I was very interested or wanted to be one architect. So I was very interested in it. Remember, those are no more than 40 years old. Every tree on there is no more than 40 years |
| 02:59:32.81 | Janelle Kellman | So the original developer planted these trees, is what you're saying? |
| 02:59:36.34 | Pete Peterson | Oh yeah, there's not a heritage treated. what you'd usually think a live oak or, or a native Madrone or something like that that would be of that area. Now, the place was, that was all planted by the developer. |
| 02:59:53.15 | Janelle Kellman | Okay. And, um, Have you looked at strategies to preserve the heritage trees on the site, including pruning or anything like that? |
| 03:00:04.64 | Pete Peterson | Yeah, we looked at each of them with the arborist. they're all fair to good. There's not a straight good, I don't think, in the report. There might be a couple. And we're keeping several of the heritage Where we got where we get into it is where it's heaved pavement. We're trying to do some improvements And it just, the footprint of the root ball and the surface roots out there |
| 03:00:35.54 | Commissioner Grass | You can't |
| 03:00:35.75 | Pete Peterson | Yes. you're hamstrung by a tree that, you know, if it lasts another 10, 15 years, and actually has a good structure after that time, |
| 03:00:46.59 | Councilmember Riley | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:00:46.88 | Pete Peterson | Yeah, okay, but I just... our assessment was that For the most part, those trees have seen better days and they're not gonna get better. |
| 03:00:58.32 | Janelle Kellman | And I believe I heard this correctly, you mentioned that your proposed landscape design and plan and the species that you're looking at are slower growing species than what is currently there. Did I hear that right or did I get that wrong? |
| 03:01:17.86 | Pete Peterson | No. There are some quicker growing species, but they're not the climax 80 foot tall trees that those trees are. |
| 03:01:28.51 | Councilmember Riley | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:01:29.00 | Pete Peterson | But our palette is something that's going to top out you know, 35. rather than a forest giant, like a poplar that goes 80 to 100 feet. |
| 03:01:36.67 | Councilmember Riley | Yeah. |
| 03:01:36.71 | Janelle Kellman | All right. |
| 03:01:40.18 | Janelle Kellman | I wasn't really, I didn't interpret that to mean a certain height. I just, you meant, I believe some, one of you mentioned that it was slower growing landscape than what is it? |
| 03:01:51.98 | Pete Peterson | Some of the trees, some of the structural trees are slower growing. |
| 03:01:56.87 | Janelle Kellman | Okay. And so what I'm sort of grappling with in my mind is you have a very mature magnitude of landscape that supports a larger habitat. We're not talking one or two trees, or even 10 trees. We're talking about quite a large multiplier of that. And if you're proposing a slower growing tree or some type of species, then we have, you know, it's a more significant issue because we're looking at a huge habitat and not just one tree here and one tree there. And so that's why I'm asking if about these slower growing species that you're talking about. |
| 03:02:37.04 | Pete Peterson | that you're doing. We are removing trees and we're also planting over 50 trees. Right. It's not a net loss. of the |
| 03:02:47.84 | Janelle Kellman | No, I understand that. |
| 03:02:47.87 | Pete Peterson | Thank you. |
| 03:02:50.05 | Janelle Kellman | I understand that, but it takes some time for new plantings to mature. And I don't know if you've also looked into planting more mature trees. Have you looked into that? |
| 03:03:07.55 | Pete Peterson | We're proposing 24 inch box. trees at the smallest. |
| 03:03:12.51 | Janelle Kellman | Okay. |
| 03:03:12.98 | Pete Peterson | And so in a three to five year growth projection, you'll have something that looks like has the form of a tree, not a stick with a couple of stakes and a tie on it. |
| 03:03:26.48 | Janelle Kellman | I'm sorry. Bye on it. |
| 03:03:27.34 | Pete Peterson | Thank you. |
| 03:03:27.36 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. Understood. OK. Um, Okay, I'll let one of my, I don't want to monopolize this. So I'll allow one of my fellow commissioners to to take over here. Thank you. |
| 03:03:41.03 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:03:41.28 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 03:03:41.33 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. It looks like we still have a large bit of the public here. So we'll be hearing from them as well. Richard, do you have any questions? |
| 03:03:54.80 | Vicki Nichols | You're muted. Thank you. |
| 03:04:01.68 | Richard Graff | I have no questions right now. Thanks. |
| 03:04:04.31 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:04:04.33 | David Ensign | Thank you. Karen Hollweg, Mr pierce. Thank you, Chair Nichols, and thank you, Mr. Peterson and Mr. Fisco for the presentation. I just had a couple of questions. For the 3030 Bridgeway project, I'm just curious, do you call if and how many heritage trees you removed from that when you redid the landscaping? |
| 03:04:24.44 | Dennis Fisco | Yes. up. I would say none because there were no heritage trees. We primarily did the berm out in front. Um, So there were no heritage trees to speak of in that berm. There was just a lot of landscaping that was not very high water |
| 03:04:44.19 | Pete Peterson | There were a couple of dead trees, trees that had expired. |
| 03:04:48.09 | Dennis Fisco | Yeah. |
| 03:04:48.12 | Pete Peterson | You know? Thank you. |
| 03:04:48.78 | Dennis Fisco | There were a few of those that |
| 03:04:50.42 | Pete Peterson | Heritage has to be a certain scale and size. No, there were no heritage trees. |
| 03:04:58.11 | David Ensign | And, I think I believe Commissioner Feller asked this question, but maybe I'm asking it differently because You can only assume, you know, when you're going through an application like this, there is not a 100% guarantee that anything will be approved. With that in mind, have you pursued any design options show some of these heritage trees as being preserved. |
| 03:05:23.02 | Pete Peterson | Thank you. Well, you mean some of the ones that were proposing to take away because we are, we're not taking every- Right, you're keeping the redwoods and some of the other ones. |
| 03:05:31.41 | David Ensign | Thank you. Thank you. Amen. |
| 03:05:34.06 | Pete Peterson | Um, uh, You know, it came up in a letter that we received just today. that this was a an issue that was going to be scrutinized or have any controversy to speak of? Uh, so, uh, Yeah, we're, what, it's just. getting used to Sausalito's The definition of the heritage tree is It's different than in a lot of municipalities. we still feel it's best to do take the course of action that we're proposing. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:06:12.02 | David Ensign | He did something. |
| 03:06:12.38 | Pete Peterson | I don't know. |
| 03:06:12.53 | David Ensign | I know. |
| 03:06:12.72 | Pete Peterson | the most important thing. |
| 03:06:12.97 | David Ensign | Cheers. |
| 03:06:14.10 | Vicki Nichols | Thanks, Chair Kelman. |
| 03:06:16.28 | Vice Chair Kellman | No, I don't think I have questions. I have more opinions. |
| 03:06:20.04 | Vicki Nichols | I'll wait to hear from the board. Okay. I think we will hear more comments from the public and um, Maybe there'll be need for an alternative plan. I'm not sure. So with that, no more questions. Let's open it up to public comment. Lily, can you read the directions for anyone that wants to make a comment? One hand raised already. |
| 03:06:57.84 | Vicki Nichols | We've got the clock visible, the three minutes. |
| 03:07:03.20 | Heidi Scoble | Sure. |
| 03:07:03.42 | Vicki Nichols | Sure. Thank you. |
| 03:07:03.97 | Heidi Scoble | Sorry about that. |
| 03:07:04.17 | Vicki Nichols | Bye. |
| 03:07:07.98 | Heidi Scoble | So we have opportunity for public comment right now. video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application and you will be called upon when it is your time to speak. to raise your hand from a phone, press star nine. Each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed. And it looks like we have at least two members of the public who would like to comment Anyone else, please raise your hand now and we'll get to you in the queue. |
| 03:07:38.64 | Sandra Bushmaker | Yeah. |
| 03:07:38.68 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 03:07:38.98 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 03:07:40.67 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, I saw Lisa first. And I'd like to let you know that we did receive your letter, the Planning Commissioner from Sausalito-Beautiful. Thank you. You have three minutes. |
| 03:07:54.59 | Lisa Chilino | Thank you very much. Good evening. I'm Lisa Chilino, and I'm speaking on behalf of Sausalito Beautiful, We submitted a letter, as you know, and I urge you to read it in full, but I just wanted to highlight some of our points here. Sosceleta Beautiful has great concerns about the proposed removal of most of the large mature trees on this site. while we support the goals of the proposed landscape design We just don't think these goals necessitate taking down so many mature trees. and incorporating more of the heritage trees and integrating new trees would still meet the applicant's goals maintaining their visual and environmental benefits. Perhaps the most critical reason to save the trees is climate change. Many of the existing trees slated for removal are 70 to 75 feet tall. whereas any newly planted trees would generally be in the four to eight foot RANGE. These large trees are currently providing CO2 sequestration and oxygen production benefits. THE END OF . Unfortunately, this site has very little green space. or parking lot comprise most of it. Thus retaining large trees is especially important to mitigate our warming climate. After visiting the site and examining the proposed plan, on a tree by tree basis. we strongly suggest a more surgical approach to treatment removal. all trees, like all people, are imperfect. One should have a very good reason to chop down a tree that is doing well. After all, even some of the proposed replacement tree species are imperfect. thus replacing a fully grown imperfect tree with a much smaller imperfect tree makes little sense. Well, we'd love to save all the large trees on this site, we took a conservative approach and focused our comments on the bridgeway and harbor drive frontages. ON THOSE TWO SIDES OF THE PROPERTY, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST that 11 specific trees not be removed. in order to retain their visual and environmental benefits. Our letter goes into detail but to suffice it to say that these 11 trees are not diseased. the primary reasons for deficiencies. could be easily mitigated by good pruning. Additionally, we would also encourage the team to plant even more street trees on the bridgeway frontage. which would be a major contribution to the town's main boulevard. In summary, we applaud the applicants proposed water wise landscape plan but we believe that more large heritage trees and should be preserved. Furthermore, we believe that proper tree maintenance would improve the visual appearance of the existing canopies thus mitigating the applicant's concerns. the value of these large trees to the neighborhood is and indeed the entire city in the site's prominence on Bridgeway. outweighs any potential inconvenience to the applicants and tenants. Thank you. CONSIDERING OUR PROPOSAL. |
| 03:10:50.33 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Lisa. We have Jan Johnson next with her hand raised. |
| 03:11:00.62 | Vicki Nichols | When you get her unmuted. |
| 03:11:04.30 | Jan Johnson | Bye. |
| 03:11:04.77 | Vicki Nichols | you Thank you. |
| 03:11:05.19 | Jan Johnson | Um, I'm concerned about the loss of the heritage trees. and the loss of the CO2 absorption that they give, I'm also concerned about the heat sink. Um, In effect of losing mature canopies and shade I I'm wondering if there is any calculation done between CO2 absorption with the removed 25 mature heritage trees versus the little seedlings that are going to get put in that will take 15 to 20 years to reach the same CO2 absorption and the difference in the temperature, the ambient temperatures. for pedestrians in that area. for the little seedlings versus the mature canopy with shade. That's it. Thank you. |
| 03:12:01.24 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Jan. Pat Zun. |
| 03:12:04.04 | Sandra Bushmaker | Look. |
| 03:12:05.89 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:12:05.91 | Sandra Bushmaker | Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Okay, first of all, I'd like to commend Mr. Fisco on his work at 3030 Bridgeway, it's a big improvement, and I'd like to commend him on his efforts to improve the Harbor Drive properties. But as a former member many years ago of the trees and use committee, I'd like to speak out, give a little shout out for the trees, the mature and heritage trees that are slated for removal. Um, I think if we don't want to have cottonwoods or poplars be heritage trees, we should remove them from the list. And that would be your job. I think as planning commissioner, many of these trees are not deemed by the arborist report to be diseased, they simply don't fit in with the palate or perhaps, or the objectives of refreshing the landscape. I would hope that you will look closely at this rather than give it a reflexive approval. And given the number of heritage trees, perhaps there even should be a city selected arborist to We walk the site and the pine as to which trees or all should be removed. um, I wish you good luck and Mr. Fesco, Look forward to your refreshment of one in Three Harbor. Thanks. |
| 03:13:40.63 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:13:40.66 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. Thank you, Pat. |
| 03:13:41.98 | Vicki Nichols | and then, Are there any other people in the audience that would like to comment on this project. |
| 03:13:54.64 | Vicki Nichols | It takes a little delay to get your hand up, but I'm seeing none. Ian, do you see any? |
| 03:14:01.55 | Ian Connolly | Oh, we have actually one more hand. |
| 03:14:04.94 | Vicki Nichols | I do see it now. |
| 03:14:16.24 | Unknown | Hi there, good evening. Thanks for the opportunity. make a quick comment. I think it's really laudable of the plan to reduce the water usage. I think that more plans of this type are needed, but I have to echo other people that have a careful review, especially of the largest trees on the corner of Bridgeway and on facing Harbor Drive. I think that does need review. There's a lot of reasons why. Shading all the things that have been mentioned, thank you very much, but I do hope that they're able to execute the plan on reducing the water and getting rid of all of the unnecessary water. absorbing grass and replace that with with appropriate of drought resistant about tolerant plantings. Thank you. |
| 03:15:09.44 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you for your comments. anyone else. |
| 03:15:16.04 | Dennis Fisco | Um, Dennis Fisco here. May I have a final comment? Is that possible? |
| 03:15:21.74 | Vicki Nichols | Sure, let me just make sure we will close public comment and we'll come back. Um, I'm seeing none, Ian, are you? Are we clear of public comments? |
| 03:15:35.14 | Ian Connolly | There appears to be no more public comment at this time. Also as a reminder to Dennis, you have eight minutes remaining with your presentation if the commission wishes to use those eight minutes. |
| 03:15:49.47 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Ian. Yes, so we're closing public comment and we're going back to the applicant who has eight minutes remaining on his presentation time. |
| 03:16:00.91 | Dennis Fisco | Thank you. I don't think I'll need eight minutes unless Pete is going to up some of that. Um, I respect your job here this evening in trying to figure out the best solution. and, I also respect Sausalito's beautiful view on things One suggestion was made by them that perhaps the I would like to ask the city work with Brad city appointed arborist to work with us to to get down to, looking at the number of trees that Sausalito Beautiful wanted to retain of these. heritage trees. And, I think that's not a bad suggestion because otherwise I don't think us the collective us sitting here at this B is tonight. are going to be able to figure out which trees to save and which trees to not save. The general consensus is the plan's a good plan, that we're going to have don't cut as many trees down as we suggest. So I'd like to suggest that are amenable to that. if, the planning commission, wants to move in that direction and I'll I'll let Pete. the I will not give any final comments. |
| 03:17:19.94 | Vicki Nichols | Appreciate that. Thank you. |
| 03:17:21.13 | Pete Peterson | Thank you. |
| 03:17:21.61 | Dennis Fisco | Mm-hmm. |
| 03:17:22.79 | Pete Peterson | Thank you, Madam Chair and Dennis. Something that came up was, the idea of some street trees along bridgeway to reestablish a treatment along that stretch that might be something that we could factor in to get a better tree replacement And maybe those are larger than a 24-inch box. We can look at that, absolutely. There are some trees that that where I see them being able to remain and us just sort of Setting that area aside is a place that we might not improve. and let those trees remain. Thank you. uh, But there's some that are really important in the design. So I think having a I want to be able to take some a way because I think some perhaps not the 24 that we're taking or whatever the number was. But I think there's a number in there that really should come down to allow that refresh to occur. And I'm not saying, I don't know what that number is, but I think we can get to a number with some effort, with staff and with perhaps another look with an arborist. |
| 03:18:42.47 | Vicki Nichols | So I appreciate the willingness to hear and maybe go in a little different direction. So let's see what the commissioners think about .. Thank you. get your So would someone like to start? I'm going to ask you a question. |
| 03:19:06.99 | Vicki Nichols | Vice Chair Kilman. You want to start? |
| 03:19:10.55 | Vice Chair Kellman | Sure, yeah, I'll just... accelerate some of the dialogue here by saying I'm not leaning towards approving what we have right now. nor am I leaning towards outsourcing this to a city arborist to make a decision outside this body. But the reasons for that are as follows. I can't make the findings. Um, There's a reason, as one of the speakers pointed out, that we have these listed as heritage trees. And it is our job as a planning body to, in fact, plan for the future while looking to the past and acknowledging that. And I applaud the effort to come forward with a comprehensive plan. And I think perhaps it was Slightly too comprehensive. and gave us all pause in wanting to remove the vast number of trees, many of which were our heritage and protected. It just doesn't fit within the sort of the ethos of our planning based on what our policy and our regulatory documents dictate. And so until that time and that the city changes its list, I think we have to give this of a heightened review, if you will, for trees and tree removal. Um, so I think there are things that, that can be done on this site that feel like deferred maintenance, uh, with better maintenance and better trimming could in fact be, uh, handled, uh, more appropriately. I think there are some nice innovations that have come out from a technical perspective, such as flexible sidewalks that would account, in fact, for some of the shallow route systems that you're articulating have issues from a public safety perspective. for the sidewalks. But perhaps I'm most concerned with an idea that there's simply a number that we would agree to, as though each tree didn't have its own value and have its own place on the site. And that seems to me to be the antithesis of what a landscape architect would provide for. So I think my perspective, and I don't mean to be harsh here, I'm just trying to be very clear and move us along this evening. I think that this needs another iteration that has a little bit more thoughtfulness given to the fact that we do have these trees protected. And you have a prime location of wonderful wonderful property, right along Bridgeway with a beautiful building. And we'd really like to see a plan, or I'd like to see a plan that takes into account the fact that these trees are important to this community. So I'll pause there. Okay, thank you. |
| 03:21:35.07 | Vicki Nichols | Mr. Graff. |
| 03:21:37.21 | Richard Graff | Hello. |
| 03:21:38.38 | Vicki Nichols | Hello. |
| 03:21:39.59 | Richard Graff | Well, it's interesting that discussion about the trays I had a studio in the Industrial Center building right next door. Um, prior to this property being developed. just a boneyarder old concrete slabs left over from the shipyards and a bunch of weeds. And probably animals. And then they completely took that away. Thank you. built this project and planted all those trees, which are now big. |
| 03:22:10.54 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:22:10.96 | Richard Graff | Thank you. And so it's just interesting to see how it developed. And what, probably started out as a twig is now a heritage tree. but I agree that um, that. The best trees should be preserved. as many of them as can being made to fit. into the concept. I think the concept's great. I really like the approach. I think that the plan is very interesting. And that's going to go a long way. to improving that whole environment there. But again, I would side with some of the well with with with beautiful and with some of the other problems that's a concern. And I think this effort should try to say as many of the large kind of important trees as possible. So it looks to me like there's going to need to be a continuance and another Another crack at this. |
| 03:23:27.73 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Richard. Commissioner Feller? |
| 03:23:32.57 | Janelle Kellman | Well, I'd like to echo my two fellow commissioners. I'm certainly not able to make the findings either. And a couple of things that I think would help me is at least an attempt to show or identify how you could salvage and save each of those heritage trees What are their other design? considerations, whether it be in new sidewalks or new materials or what have you. I'd like to see that. I really want to understand this water consumption issue Um, Certainly, I can easily understand that. You know, some types of landscape require more watering than others and more consumption of water. But it would be nice if we're making those kinds of claims to be able to at least quantify that. within an order of magnitude. of reasons. So we understand how how bad the situation is, or if we're just moving the needle a little bit with this whole new solution. for landscaping. So I think a little bit of the burden of that kind of justification would help us. I recognize that our trees in Sausalito and our heritage trees here might not be on every other city's list of heritage. But they are ours and that is not necessarily our determination of what's heritage and what isn't. what our city and our municipal codes and so on identify. So as Vice Chair Kellman said until that changes That is what we have to look at and refer to in terms of administering our decisions here in this body. So. Um, That's all I have for now. Thank you. Commissioner Pierce. |
| 03:25:29.14 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:25:29.95 | David Ensign | Thank you, Nichols. Yes, and I too will echo my fellow commissioners and their sentiments regarding this. Yeah. I didn't want to say, I can't even fathom how a staff report can support the recommendation of the removal of 25 heritage trees whose crime seems to be not complying with the aesthetic desires of the applicant. Those Lombardy poplars at the corner have become iconic in our community. I drive by and I see those things waving in the breeze and it's like, I know exactly where I am. And they really become, a distinctive characteristic of that part of town, at least in my estimation. Um, I think Sassana Brutiful brought up the carbon sequestration And, you know, it is interesting to consider what the capacity of these mature specimens is to whatever is being proposed. And I would imagine there's a significant delta between the two. Um, The hazards identified in the arborist report did not seem to be anywhere near equitable with the value of these trees to the community from both an aesthetic and an environmental standpoint. Um, And that being said, I really applaud the, the, applicant for a coming to us with intent to refresh and create a more ecologically sensitive property. Um, And I think through this discussion, they've opened themselves up to some consideration of finding ways to, uh, creative, careful and mindful integration of their new planting intent while preserving some of these heritage trees that we find so beneficial. So I'm not able to make the findings presently, but I believe we provided the feedback and hopefully the tools necessary for the applicant to come back to us with a much more successful solution and one that we can all be proud of. |
| 03:27:20.94 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. So I support the comments that have been made and I have a few other points that I want to make. Um, I applaud the effort to and be aware and apply water conservation anywhere. a good thing. recently, or maybe not that recently, the Planning Commission assumed the duties of our Trees and Views Committee, which was dissolved. So that's why we're taking this very seriously. I want to just say that there's a couple of I cannot make the findings and I can't make the findings a couple of findings. I'm struggling with. I believe that while you're in an industrial zone, for zoning, that's really straight out commercial. So these trees really soften and buffer that area, provide shade, and I think they're and the community is a benefit to the whole community. The tree may have greater value to the area or such than the individual owner. I'm not sure I quoted that exactly correctly, but I do think that they have in that large area have provided a Thank you. shading and a nice amenity. |
| 03:28:45.89 | Vicki Nichols | I was shocked when I saw the number being removed But I would like to, I'm not sure how this will exactly come out that we would ask you to come back. But I would like to see included in anything that you do propose. Um, Maybe since you're telling us that the project is over three years, that we have a phase in of these trees In other words, they don't all get removed at once. We need some new growth. We need some phasing of this. that there would be a plan that you could, um, you know, put in some trees and then have some growth going and then maybe go on to a different area. So I want to see, uh, areas specifically defined so we'd be able to understand your plan better. And that gives the replacement trees a little time to grow and see how they're doing and maybe if you need to adjust some things as you go forward we would be able to do that. I'd like to see along the lines of your concern about water conservation. I don't know if what the water source is down there, but some purple pipe or gray water consideration. for the, this is not a deal breaker solid condition, but it would be nice to hear an exploration if that's a possibility. And I just also want to say that some of the heritage trees, sometimes their sizes determines what's heritage. It's not always the type, it's the size. So I think what I'm hearing from the fellow, fellow, my fellow commissioners is that we would like to see We're leaning towards a continuation, which we don't take lightly. but I think you'll understand and have heard that we do not have the ability to make the findings to give you a thumbs up tonight. We would like to see a reconsideration of how you might be able to take a different look at what could or could not be remove. Um, And there was a suggestion about using another I don't know if it was a city arborist. sure that we need to do that. I'd like to hear from the commissioners what you'd like to see in a, future proposal, we often give direction. So if there's other thoughts to guide the applicant so that They're not working in a vacuum here about what we'd like to see to reconsider this. If anyone would like to be more. |
| 03:31:23.58 | Pete Peterson | France. |
| 03:31:24.63 | Vicki Nichols | to say, |
| 03:31:25.04 | Pete Peterson | I think. If I may, you've been giving us good direction. Okay. I feel like I'm directed. Bye. You probably feel too dramatic, right? |
| 03:31:34.99 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:31:35.67 | Dennis Fisco | Right. And a continuance, we'd appreciate a continuance. |
| 03:31:40.56 | Councilmember Riley | Thank you. |
| 03:31:40.58 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. |
| 03:31:41.18 | Councilmember Riley | Thank you. |
| 03:31:41.34 | Dennis Fisco | As Pete said, we get it. We'll come back with some more. details and a different plan. |
| 03:31:48.27 | Vicki Nichols | Well, I also appreciate how the both of you could see probably how we were going and the willingness to adapt and uh, We consider sometimes that doesn't happen. So I think we'll get a better project for everybody out of that. Is there a motion to continue this? Lily, can I ask you under the circumstance, would this be to a day certain or can you explain the timeline needed to get this back on the calendar to the applicants? |
| 03:32:23.37 | Heidi Scoble | Sure, I would recommend at this point because there is some more work that the applicant needs to do with this project he continues my arm. I'm on. Okay, great. The registry continued to a date uncertain and that would give the applicant time to go back to the drawing board and take another look. and then submit. to provide plans for the city and then we can schedule a hearing date. Yeah. |
| 03:32:51.00 | Pete Peterson | We'll work with staff to that end. |
| 03:32:53.29 | Heidi Scoble | do that. Thank you. |
| 03:32:55.06 | Pete Peterson | Great. THANK YOU. |
| 03:32:55.96 | Heidi Scoble | Okay. |
| 03:32:55.98 | Pete Peterson | Thank you. |
| 03:32:56.65 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, great. So is there a motion to complete our discussion here? Is there anyone like to make a motion? |
| 03:33:05.97 | David Ensign | Yes, I will. I move that we continue design review tree removal permit 2019-00335. design review entry removal permit for 1-3 Harbor Drive to a date uncertainty. |
| 03:33:23.94 | Vicki Nichols | Yeah. Okay. Lily, will you call the roll please? or call the question. |
| 03:33:35.09 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:33:35.11 | Heidi Scoble | Sure. |
| 03:33:35.41 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:33:35.45 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 03:33:35.63 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:33:35.75 | Heidi Scoble | Duration of color. Yes. |
| 03:33:37.67 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 03:33:38.75 | Heidi Scoble | Commissioner Graff? |
| 03:33:40.98 | David Ensign | Yes. |
| 03:33:42.64 | Heidi Scoble | Commissioner Pierce. |
| 03:33:43.68 | David Ensign | Yes. |
| 03:33:45.22 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 03:33:45.23 | Unknown | I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WANT |
| 03:33:46.38 | David Ensign | Yes. |
| 03:33:48.07 | Unknown | Thank you, Nicole. |
| 03:33:49.23 | Vicki Nichols | Yes. And for the record, |
| 03:33:51.04 | Unknown | Very fun, yeah. |
| 03:33:52.52 | Vicki Nichols | That site was one of the 30 original Marinship buildings. You're absolutely correct. It was one of two that was open-ended and that's why that one and the one where Molly Stones is were pulled down early because they were not functioning very well. Historical site. |
| 03:34:13.01 | Pete Peterson | Thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. |
| 03:34:16.50 | Susan's iPad (Unknown) | and that's, |
| 03:34:16.67 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you very much. |
| 03:34:17.45 | Susan's iPad (Unknown) | Thank you. |
| 03:34:20.54 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. So I was able to get the agenda on my phone. And now I know that we are at Business item nine. And we had a discussion race or we had a, um, Yeah. an item raised by Commissioner Pierce at our last meeting reminding us that we had not selected our chair and vice chair. So with that in mind, I believe that, Lily, can you just confirm, I believe the process is that Do we open this up for nominations or do I do the nominations and then we take more nominations |
| 03:35:06.20 | Heidi Scoble | I'm sorry. |
| 03:35:06.27 | Vicki Nichols | Bye. |
| 03:35:06.28 | Heidi Scoble | We did take a look at the Planning Commission regulations and It was silent on process. So the was just that The nomination for chair goes first and then the vice chair goes next. |
| 03:35:22.23 | Unknown | them. |
| 03:35:24.36 | Heidi Scoble | So, what I might recommend is |
| 03:35:25.22 | Unknown | I might recommend that. |
| 03:35:27.14 | Heidi Scoble | I'm not sure. planning commissioners make nominations for chair first and then um, their, um, can be a vote. |
| 03:35:36.19 | Vicki Nichols | Okay. So what we'll do is we'll open to the floor of the commissioners nominations for chair. And we need three boats out of the five. per lecture. Correct. Okay. |
| 03:35:54.09 | David Ensign | I would like to nominate Vice Chair Kellen for chair. |
| 03:35:54.46 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:35:57.48 | David Ensign | Thank you. |
| 03:35:57.52 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:35:57.70 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 03:35:57.74 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. you |
| 03:35:57.91 | Janelle Kellman | And that, yeah. |
| 03:36:00.10 | Vicki Nichols | Are there any other nominations? the chair. I would just like to say before we vote, I would be totally in support of that. And I think it's kind of part of our tradition, but certainly also there's merit there. I'm happy to see that nomination and Lily, if you will call the role. We will vote. |
| 03:36:25.51 | Heidi Scoble | Just trying to remember which one of my devices was muted there. So Commissioner Feller... Yes. Let me share a graph. Yeah. Mr. Pierce. |
| 03:36:37.70 | Vice Chair Kellman | Yes. |
| 03:36:39.74 | Heidi Scoble | by Sir Tillman. |
| 03:36:41.29 | Vice Chair Kellman | Yes, thank you everybody. |
| 03:36:41.34 | Heidi Scoble | Yes. |
| 03:36:42.74 | Vice Chair Kellman | . |
| 03:36:43.65 | Heidi Scoble | I'm not sure. Karen Nichols. |
| 03:36:45.29 | Vice Chair Kellman | Yes. |
| 03:36:45.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:36:46.84 | Vicki Nichols | So I finished the vice chair or do you want to. |
| 03:36:54.35 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, I'm gonna just do it, all right? I'll take it. Are there nominations for vice chair for the planning commission the next session? which is I'm gonna nominate Commissioner Feller. I'll second that. Is there another nomination? I guess I shouldn't have seconded first, Okay, seeing none, can you call the role for us, Lily, please? |
| 03:37:22.74 | Heidi Scoble | Sure, Commissioner Graff. Thank you. |
| 03:37:25.32 | Councilmember Riley | Yeah. |
| 03:37:27.07 | Heidi Scoble | Commissioner Pierce. |
| 03:37:28.32 | Councilmember Riley | Yeah. |
| 03:37:28.52 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 03:37:28.66 | Councilmember Riley | Thank you. |
| 03:37:30.14 | Heidi Scoble | Commissioner Nichols. Right. Yes. Ha ha ha. Thank you. Commissioner Feller. Thank you. |
| 03:37:41.74 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 03:37:41.89 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 03:37:42.01 | Janelle Kellman | Yes, I'm gratified. Thank you to my fellow commissioners. Thank you. Great. And Tara Kelman. |
| 03:37:48.91 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. Yes, definitely. Thank you. . |
| 03:37:52.25 | David Ensign | Thank you. |
| 03:37:52.27 | Vice Chair Kellman | Great. |
| 03:37:52.72 | David Ensign | I'll just mention this as a point of order, not that it makes any difference with the outcome, but I'd just like to share for folks who haven't participated, in the past it's been a relatively, casual approach to somebody you'd want to nominate right before the meeting in council chambers and say, hey, can I nominate you? But we didn't have that. We no longer have that luxury. And I think this worked just fine in the absence of that. |
| 03:38:19.23 | Councilmember Riley | Right, right. |
| 03:38:20.99 | David Ensign | But I do apologize for anybody who was put on the spot, |
| 03:38:27.55 | Vicki Nichols | No, I think it's fine. It's fine. It needed to happen. It's all good. All right, congratulations. And- Congratulations. |
| 03:38:32.43 | Councilmember Riley | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 03:38:35.03 | David Ensign | where you're going. |
| 03:38:35.70 | Vicki Nichols | So now you'll have the dual opportunity of representing the commission on your G-CAP |
| 03:38:36.06 | David Ensign | Thank you. |
| 03:38:36.07 | Councilmember Riley | Yeah. |
| 03:38:36.19 | David Ensign | Bye. |
| 03:38:36.26 | Councilmember Riley | Thank you. |
| 03:38:44.73 | Vicki Nichols | to eat. General Plan Working Group work. And And being the chair and vice chair of our commission. Great. So are there any other... Any other business? |
| 03:39:04.24 | Heidi Scoble | that Commissioner Nichols, we do have our communication item here last on our agenda. And before we get into the general plan update report, if there's a report out from the commissioners, I do want to provide a communications item that we've been working on Wow. while you all were doing your considerations and that's related to some of the public comments that you received early on. in this evening regarding the copies of the general plan EIR So we are going to make some copies at City Hall and loan them out through the library through their their new. curbside pick up system for a limited amount of time, we'll make a limited amount of copies and then have them checked out for a limited period of time and then check back in for other people to check them out. I'm also going to call Kinko's in the morning and see if they can offer us reduced rate for residents. to purchase copies of those documents at Kinko's and then we can city staff can work with them to get the file set up so that all someone would have to do is make a call to Tinko's and make a payment over the phone and then go pick them up. I can even ask if they're doing deliveries. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what they're doing right now. |
| 03:40:21.78 | David Ensign | right now. |
| 03:40:22.72 | Heidi Scoble | So we'll make that call tomorrow and try to facilitate that. |
| 03:40:26.12 | David Ensign | We're on the topic of saving trees. very proactive but advocate for Thank you. |
| 03:40:31.77 | Vice Chair Kellman | Yeah, I'll just say that if Kingo's won't do it for some reason, you might want to call Joanne's. |
| 03:40:31.92 | David Ensign | Yeah. I'll |
| 03:40:33.08 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 03:40:38.45 | Vice Chair Kellman | shop. |
| 03:40:39.78 | Janelle Kellman | Good idea. |
| 03:40:43.43 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you, Lily. Appreciate that. I think we still got some people on the line that maybe were able to hear that solution. Okay. Oh, sorry. Um, |
| 03:40:54.72 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 03:40:55.31 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:40:55.38 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 03:40:55.39 | Vicki Nichols | All right. |
| 03:40:55.72 | Sandra Bushmaker | Thank you. |
| 03:40:57.11 | Vicki Nichols | Um, Do we want to do the general plan readout? Does anybody else have any communication? other than general plan readout? We're all going to tune in on Saturday to the workshop, right? |
| 03:41:16.76 | Janelle Kellman | Yes, it's nine to 12 on Saturday. the community outreach for the general plan We did not have a meeting or hearing last night as a general plan working group. There was not one held. So we don't have any further updates from the last time we updated the planning commission on the working group. |
| 03:41:40.21 | Vice Chair Kellman | Yeah, I'll just add that for those who are listening at home, There is a survey that accompanied the notice and currents that went out about the workshop There's also a 15-minute YouTube video put together by the M group. that is very helpful for orienting yourself to the to the issues at hand. And then I actually just had a question for staff There were some consternation around the public comment opportunity at the workshop Can you maybe take this opportunity to articulate how that will work so people understand how and when to tune in and what the opportunity will be? during the public workshop. Correct. Yeah. And there's some, it was something like three minutes at the end of the three hour meeting, but then the time was going to be divided by the number of people who put their hands up. So, |
| 03:42:25.12 | Unknown | So, |
| 03:42:25.27 | Commissioner Grass | It was something |
| 03:42:33.54 | Vice Chair Kellman | If you could just clarify. |
| 03:42:39.17 | Heidi Scoble | I need to work with them on that. so the um |
| 03:42:42.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:42.36 | Vice Chair Kellman | Okay. |
| 03:42:42.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:42:44.41 | Heidi Scoble | Yeah, did we receive some written correspondence regarding that. or is that just a comment that I think it was in the video. |
| 03:42:51.17 | Janelle Kellman | I think it was in the video. |
| 03:42:52.03 | Vice Chair Kellman | of |
| 03:42:52.47 | Janelle Kellman | coming. |
| 03:42:52.86 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. |
| 03:42:53.57 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 03:42:53.62 | Vice Chair Kellman | the |
| 03:42:53.79 | Heidi Scoble | and the other thing. |
| 03:42:54.02 | Vice Chair Kellman | the video. |
| 03:42:54.11 | Heidi Scoble | I'm not sure. |
| 03:42:54.25 | Vice Chair Kellman | Yeah. |
| 03:42:54.55 | Heidi Scoble | Bye. |
| 03:42:55.65 | Vice Chair Kellman | Okay. |
| 03:42:55.83 | Heidi Scoble | Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:42:58.38 | Vice Chair Kellman | Okay, I'll work with M group on that. Yeah, my suggestion would be to not have people wait three hours to be able to weigh in. Maybe it could be like check invoice or something. |
| 03:43:12.18 | Vicki Nichols | So I tried to do the survey. I haven't looked at the video yet the other day and I just, I don't know if it was the way it was set up, but know, I had some some meaty comments, not just yes or no or whatever. It was difficult to go back and try to edit them and see if I'd made a mistake. Is that just the way I was doing this or the way that the survey format is done? You know, you couldn't go back easily on the comments But again, it could be me, I'm not the most technical person. Okay. |
| 03:43:52.02 | Heidi Scoble | I haven't. |
| 03:43:52.09 | Vicki Nichols | I haven't personally. |
| 03:43:52.97 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 03:43:53.04 | Vicki Nichols | I think in the survey, |
| 03:43:53.95 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. it. but Commissioner Nichols, I can put you in touch with M groups for troubleshooting. Okay. |
| 03:44:01.51 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, yeah, it just didn't seem very user friendly, but it could be this user. |
| 03:44:07.15 | Richard Graff | Well, this user too. |
| 03:44:09.42 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, good. |
| 03:44:09.47 | Richard Graff | Okay. where I said you had a certain amount of characters there was a very short line. And you couldn't have put anywhere near the amount of characters. But it said you could. Amen. |
| 03:44:20.49 | Councilmember Riley | Thank you. |
| 03:44:20.92 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:44:21.15 | Richard Graff | and try to go back and edit it, It was not easy. |
| 03:44:25.88 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, good. |
| 03:44:27.70 | Richard Graff | So I'm with you. |
| 03:44:28.96 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. Well, I just, I got a little discouraged and I stopped doing it. I hope others won't do that, so. anyway. Well, thank you for the update, the report, and with no further business. |
| 03:44:44.61 | Vice Chair Kellman | One piece of business, Chair Nichols, or for you, there's that title. I just want to thank you on behalf my fellow commissioners for your leadership and your insight and your guidance and your unending knowledge of our town's history, which I find extremely valuable. And I know my fellow commissioners do as well. I am so grateful to have had you. And when I very first time I served on the Planning Commission years ago, I remember seeing you in the audience and you always had these fantastic comments. And so I was so pleased to see you on the Planning Commission, so thank you. |
| 03:45:16.03 | Vicki Nichols | Yeah. |
| 03:45:16.57 | Vice Chair Kellman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:45:16.97 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 03:45:17.14 | Charlene Eldon | Thank you. |
| 03:45:19.44 | Vicki Nichols | Well, I'm not off yet, but I will be, I'm sure, shortly as my term is expired. Hopefully you'll get someone that is able to get right up to speed with you and really be very productive in moving our general plan forward. But I still will be around because I'm concerned about it, so I'll stay in the next. |
| 03:45:37.24 | Janelle Kellman | Good. Like nothing. Thank you. |
| 03:45:40.24 | Vicki Nichols | we're going |
| 03:45:40.40 | Janelle Kellman | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 03:45:40.80 | Vicki Nichols | THE FAMILY. |
| 03:45:40.97 | Janelle Kellman | I love you to that and you'll always be my first chair. |
| 03:45:46.50 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. All right, I'm sure everybody wants to go home. |
| 03:45:50.66 | David Ensign | We are home. |
| 03:45:52.17 | Vicki Nichols | We are. |
| 03:45:52.41 | David Ensign | THE END OF THE END OF THE Thank you. |
| 03:45:54.28 | Vicki Nichols | be able to turn off our our video stuff and kick back or do whatever we need to do. So with that, I would suggest that we adjourn the meeting and maybe we'll see one another on Saturday to comment. Too bad we can't listen to the person. |
| 03:46:09.37 | Unknown | You can't be the person that's the way it is. |
| 03:46:11.99 | Vicki Nichols | the way it is. |
| 03:46:14.53 | Unknown | Who? listens to radio No matter if it's summer, winter, spring or fall |