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| 00:00:10.31 | Heidi Scoble | Council members, this meeting is being held pursuant to section three of executive order N-29-20 issued by Governor Newsom on March 17th, 2020. And all members, Thank you. are joining this meeting telephonically through Zoom and is being broadcast live on the city's website and on cable TV channel 27. |
| 00:00:30.96 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you and welcome to our regular city council meeting of Tuesday October. 13th. Heidi, will you please call the roll? |
| 00:00:41.17 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Hoffman. You're muted. |
| 00:00:48.34 | Heidi Scoble | here. Council member Burns? Yes. Councilmember Cox? |
| 00:00:52.93 | Councilmember Cox | Yeah. |
| 00:00:53.15 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. Vice Mayor Withy. |
| 00:00:54.94 | John DeRay | Thank you. Here. |
| 00:00:56.51 | Heidi Scoble | Mayor Cleveland Knowles. Thank you. |
| 00:00:58.13 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Here. |
| 00:00:58.89 | Heidi Scoble | All members are present and there is a quorum. |
| 00:01:01.67 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. So we are starting off our meeting tonight with closed session items. Now at 6.30, we have two items on the closed session. D1 public employment and D2 negotiating with our real property negotiator. So we will take public comment and then we will go into closed session and we zoom for open session at seven. Is there any public comment on our closed session? |
| 00:01:34.61 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I am not seeing any hands raised. Heidi, could you confirm? |
| 00:01:39.37 | Heidi Scoble | Mayor Cleveland knows there are no hands raised at this time. |
| 00:01:42.90 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great. Okay. Well, we will go into closed session. And again, we will come back into open session at seven o'clock and we will see the members of the public who have joined us again then. Thank you very much. |
| 00:02:19.33 | Matt Stolling | Hi, this is Matt Stolling, and you're listening to Radio Sausalito. |
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| 00:03:16.69 | Heidi Scoble | Council members, this meeting is being held pursuant to section 3 of Executive Order N-29-20 issued by Governor Newsom on March 17, 2020. And all members are joining this meeting telephonically through Zoom and is broadcast live on the city's website and on cable TV channel 27. |
| 00:03:36.23 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you, Heidi, and welcome back everyone to our regular meeting of October 13. We have already opened an open session. We are now coming back out of closed session and we have no closed session announcements. So we will go on to item 3B, which is approval of our agenda tonight. Are there any comments or does someone have a motion? |
| 00:04:01.21 | Sybil Boutier | Move approval. |
| 00:04:07.28 | Ray Withy | Second. |
| 00:04:08.84 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:04:08.97 | Heidi Scoble | I didn't want to call the role. Councilmember Hoffman? Here. Yes. Councilmember Burns? |
| 00:04:18.03 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 00:04:18.96 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Cox? Yeah. |
| 00:04:20.62 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:04:21.22 | Heidi Scoble | Vice Mayor Withey. |
| 00:04:22.62 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 00:04:24.39 | Heidi Scoble | and Mayor of Cleveland Knowles. Yes. |
| 00:04:26.89 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:04:26.93 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:04:26.99 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. So our agenda is approved and I will go on to our next item, which is a special presentations and then mayor's announcements. So we have a big night tonight. We are officially welcoming back Council Member Jill Hoffman, who we are We had one closed session with Jill earlier, but this is the public's probably first time to to see her back in action. Thank her on behalf of the council and the community for her year of service and we are really happy to have you back on the council, so welcome. And you didn't miss anything while you were gone. Nothing happened this year. We also have on our announcements a very special Thank you and tribute to interim council member Tom Riley, so who's here with us tonight. Great to see you again. Um, You know, Jill, I just wanted to thank you for starting us off with the year that you were going to be gone on the right foot. by having a very organized and calm approach to the fact that you would be leaving for your And I just wanna thank you for suggesting Tom Riley to be your in-arm replacement, and I want to thank Tom so much. for agreeing to take on that role. It was a really thoughtful way that you did that. And I think we all appreciated it and it allowed us to just continue to to work and move on with the care without construction. So, no, thank you. So before we let Tom say a few words, I just wanted to to thank him for his service. I'm not sure when he agreed to do this, that he really knew what he might be getting himself in for. But he applied himself over the year with a lot of hard work and dedication, and he really took the time get up to speed and understand the issues facing our community. Even by January when we started our strategic planning session. He was, he had hit the ground running. and we bought a very positive and constructive influence. One of the things that I think Tom brought to the council is he listened and he collaborated not only with every single member of the council, but also with the community. was very open about that. He also brought a lot of financial acumen that helped guide our discussions. And not just from the numbers, but also with a strategic probability for strategic thinking. and an empathy for the real world consequences that we faced over the year. I, Tom did a lot in the short time he was on the council. I won't go into every detail, but he and Joe, I worked very collaboratively to merge the former BAC and the hospitality, the business advisory commission and the hospitality commission. into a revamped economic development advisory committee been a really great asset to the community so far and took a lot of time to get that interview process set up and to winnow down our applicants. Tom worked with the chamber on the Love Sausalito campaign and helped to raise important funds to help our struggling local businesses during COVID. Again, he and Councilmember Burns I worked really hard to devise an approach to closing parts of Caledonia Street, again, to help our local businesses. Um, And then, of course, the Bank of America purchase for the city. again with um council member burns so thank you both for those and um Thank you, Tom, for your help. And then lastly, right under the wire of his last meeting, he and Councilmember Cox, managed to bring us a really great letter of intent to start off negotiation or development agreement with Bridgeway and Marina. So you put an amazing amount of time, hard work, and dedication into this one year, and we can't thank you and your family enough for the time that you've given us. your perspective. So thank you so much. We wanted to present you with a plaque. the So I'm going to hand you A plaque. that is from the city. With appreciation to Tom Riley for your dedicated service community. Here I am. |
| 00:09:37.71 | KC | Here I am. |
| 00:09:38.79 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I'm a Sausalito city council. from September 2019 to October 13. So... If we were in a room, we'd give you a round of applause. But thank you so much, Tom. And I will open it up to other council members and then Tom and Are there any other council members who want to Say anything? Yes, Jill, please. |
| 00:10:08.26 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, thank you for your kind words too, Susan. That was one of the biggest worries when I learned I was going to get recalled was how to manage that transition and take care of the city while I was gone. And so I gave it a lot of thought about who might be able to help and I was so delighted that Tom Um, because we all know that sit on the council, how much time and effort it takes. So he was able to do that. I'm happy to be back. delighted to be back. So anyway, thank you. Thank you, Tom. Appreciate it. And thank you to the council members for your support. And, um, and throughout the time period. And Tom and I did talk throughout the time that I was gone, even though I'm, I still have a lot of work to do to get up to speed, Thank you to everybody and thanks to Tom. |
| 00:10:56.01 | Joe Burns | Now, which one was Tom again? |
| 00:11:00.43 | Joe Burns | that um i i just this whole process of so many things that have happened over the year this this was a process that was just really stellar the way council member hoffman handled it bringing tom on how quickly tom got up to speed and now the transition back where it seems like just in our quick interactions that council member hoffman is is ready to go and already up to speed So obviously, Mayor, I appreciate your words that Tom has done, and that's exactly right. Overall, the transition in the process was just absolutely one of the best things that our council's experienced, I think, to have that seamless one way and then back to the council members. So good job, everybody that was involved in that. And thank you and welcome back, Jill. |
| 00:11:52.76 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | All right, Joan. |
| 00:11:54.33 | Joan Cox | Yes, I'd like to echo the mayor's comments to Councilmember Hoffman for the really competent and expedited manner in which you handled your reassignment. And thank you, of course, for your service to our country. You know, most of us knew Tom through his prior volunteer efforts on behalf of Sausalito, most recently on the Pedestrian and Bicycle Advisory Committee, and I had actually reached out to him and said, hey, when are you going to have some time? Because we want to have you help us with other stuff. And he said, yeah, soon. And then Jill comes in with this wonderful proposal, which boy, trial by fire, Tom, but you really rose to the occasion. I know Tom socially because his wife is best friends with one of my best friends. I had raised a glass with Tom before, but I had never worked with him before. And it was really a pleasure, Tom, to work with you. The diligence with what you got up to speed and absorbed information about really challenging issues and then really your great negotiation ability, your ability to remain calm in the face of strife. and to find common ground in really challenging issues. So it's been a true pleasure to get to know you better and to work with you. And I can't wait to find the next assignment for you in Sausalito perhaps later tonight. Next. |
| 00:13:25.44 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great. Vice mayor, anything to add? |
| 00:13:29.09 | Ray Withy | What is there left to say? |
| 00:13:30.91 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:13:33.32 | Ray Withy | Obviously, I agree with everything that's been said. Um, And so to cut to the chase. Jill, welcome back. We missed you. And thank you. for your service, for your back. And Tom, what a real pleasure. I thoroughly enjoyed our collaboration and working together thoroughly enjoyed that. So thank you very much and thank you for stepping in. So. All good. |
| 00:14:00.93 | Tom Riley | Thank you. |
| 00:14:02.11 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, and Tom will open the floor to you. |
| 00:14:07.02 | Tom Riley | I believe I'm limited to three minutes. |
| 00:14:10.09 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Not tonight. |
| 00:14:12.66 | Tom Riley | Well, thank you all for those super kind words. I'm gonna start with just, I'm extremely grateful. Well, I got a 15 minute clock. I won't use that, Heidi. At first, Jill, thank you for your service. I am very grateful for you. When you asked, I could not say no because you were serving our country. Tonight, I'm actually wearing my American flag cufflinks for you. Um, It means a lot for those that serve our country and protect our freedoms. Thank you. And thank you to Steve and Robbie as well. Thanks to the council who agreed with her recommendation to appoint me. I really appreciate it. You are a true team. And I do mean it. I felt like I was part of a team. that work well together, handicapped by this Brown Act law that have prevented us from truly working together. Um, But everyone was very collaborative. You're very patient with me, very supportive, and helped me learn the ropes. I feel like I'm departing just when I figured out your job. And And I'm grateful to the community that actually welcomed me and supported me in this role. and also challenged me throughout the year. And finally, of course, grateful to my wife and son who learned that every other Tuesday night, dad had to go to work. It was on Zoom and it often went late. Uh, dad's a little excited tonight that he gets off early. But, I think that I learned a lot. But I'm not sure. First and foremost, I learned a lot about how much work City Council members put in, And this is for the community. Jill sold me a bill of goods saying, hey, two to three hours a week. It was, she's got the zeros. It's 20 to 30 hours a week, minimum. |
| 00:16:07.39 | KC | MISSING. |
| 00:16:08.66 | Tom Riley | and um i did this in my first year retirement i don't know how the other council members with full-time jobs put in this amount of effort with mudslides and fires and power shutoffs, pandemic, economic calamity and more fires and more power shutoffs. This team works extremely hard And this also a heads up to our new folks that are vying for positions. It's you're making a serious commitment, but it is a commitment, well, worth it. I also learned a lot about our city operations. Our city staff works extremely hard |
| 00:16:41.38 | Matt Stolling | I'm like, |
| 00:16:47.01 | Tom Riley | They care about this town incredibly. In this past year, |
| 00:16:49.87 | Matt Stolling | just, |
| 00:16:51.43 | Tom Riley | They had to get very creative how to continue offering services under the restraints of COVID. I... Thank you. I just thank them for how hard they've worked this past year with limited resources And then finally, my other great learning from this past year was about our community. My eyes are wide open about how talented how passionate and how involved our community is and wants to be in helping the city. And that is the secret to Sausalito. I can't imagine another Sausalito that has so many residents that wanna step up and help out and bring their expertise. |
| 00:17:32.24 | Matt Stolling | Thank you. |
| 00:17:32.29 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 00:17:32.36 | Matt Stolling | Thank you. |
| 00:17:32.39 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:17:32.51 | Matt Stolling | Thank you. |
| 00:17:34.53 | Tom Riley | Now much of my involvement was folks that were on Jill's distribution list who would reach out to me and always had great ideas, I thanked them. but also working with the Business Advisory Committee, the Hospitality Business Development Committee, and of course EDAC, and seeing just dozens of people really wanna step up So I thank them. I'm excited about the upcoming election. We have six candidates, six highly qualified candidates. all of them bring in unique skills, for three seats, which will be our new council. I feel very good that we have very qualified candidates because the challenges ahead are really, really daunting. If I may just, I will opine for one moment and then I'm gonna Be done. Um, I'll go away with my plaque. Um... You know, we have three things that the new committee will be focused on. Financial planning is the crisis at hand. And it's not whether we have a huge shortfall of revenues or whatnot, it's uncertainty. And planning with uncertainty is harder then planning for a known crisis. We don't know how the pandemic is going to play out. We don't know when tourism is going to return. We don't know what's going to happen with real estate markets and tenants on our vacancies. And, um, We have a very significant financial planning task ahead, which begins with the strategic plan What I encourage everyone is just to maintain our conservative stance Much like we learned in the last council meeting, Being positively surprised is better than and they will be surprised. And so a conservative stance, I suggest. I'm anxious to watch the conversation on housing tonight, that is the big task And I think we have all the right intents with housing. We talk about affordable housing and aging in Sausalito and improving our diversity, but I've always wanted to get my arms around it. And I came up with a kind of my own 5% rule. and to get a marbles around it. And basically, if we wanna improve our diversity, from being a 92% all-white town to an 87% white town, 5%. We need to add 200 new affordable homes in our town to change that diversity mix. If we want to help 5% of our 2,000 seniors, find affordable assisted living as they get older in the next 20 years We need another 100 units just for 5% of them. And if we want to help 5% of our 2,700 daily commuters every day, |
| 00:20:16.33 | Matt Stolling | And if we want to help, |
| 00:20:20.73 | Tom Riley | coming into town who worked who work on our restaurants, who work on our boats, We work on our homes. If we want to help 5%, we need more than 100 units. But that's 400 units right there that we need to find and create if we want to be more diverse, have workers in town, and help our seniors stay in our town. And yet I see the challenge tonight is actually from the state, 700 units. So that's a huge, huge challenge. And I think we just have to get creative on that. Then finally, our infrastructure, is aging and mother nature is not helping us. In fact, we're seeing great storms, which leads to more mudslides, more flooding, We're seeing sea level rise. We're seeing more fires, more power shutoffs. And we've got to get very, very creative about addressing our infrastructure challenges going forward. And beyond sea level rise, one of the hot buttons in town friendship. I'm very proud of the work that this council did around stating very clearly to the community that we want to protect and preserve the marinship as a destination for maritime businesses, for our thriving artist community, and for industrial businesses. My concern, though, is Without taking specific actions, we are watching our marineship decay. we're protecting and preserving it into decay. It's subsiding. It's going to be flooding. We have toxic waste. And we have no plans to correct that. And so what I encourage going forward, and I hope to help, is that we do protect our maritime We do protect our industrial businesses. We do protect our artists communities, but we also save the marineship from decay. Because right now, we're on a path of watching it decay and evaporate. We need to work with landowners in a very creative way to get what we want. and find win-win situations. I've been super honored. to spend the past year working with all of you. I have some great, great memories and great moments and thank each of you for those. I am very grateful to be part of Sausalito. My family and I, we will tend to reside, we plan to reside here forever, so you're not getting rid of us, but thank you for the opportunity. |
| 00:22:54.31 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you so much, Tom. It's really been a pleasure working with you this year and thank you for sharing, uh, sharing your thoughts with us. And for now on you're limited to 30 minutes, but for tonight, No way. Sarah Silver, Alright, well, thank you so i'm going to open it up to public comment just on this on mayor's announcements and then our next item is general public comment, so if there's anyone who wants to. speak on welcoming Jill, Councilmember Jill Hoffman back and wishing Interim Council Member Tom Riley the best. This is the time to do that. I see two folks with their hands raised. I have Eva's iPhone. Welcome. |
| 00:23:50.27 | Eva Krasanti | Hi there. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Great. I had just a couple questions regarding counsel and regarding transparency and regarding intent. I had a conversation via email, I believe with Heidi Scoble. regarding transparency with your Form 700s. I'd like to suggest that given the climate emergency and the ways in which climate change is impacting California. that we make it a priority to published the form 700 on the actual city council on the City of Sausalito website because the FPPC website is not always functional. I was pretty shocked when I looked at council members form 700s. Um, I was shocked that for council that talks so much about climate change, and about responsibility and taking action There were a surprising number of city council members who owns stocks in some Um, some companies that would surprise you that seem to be counter to that. Thank you. companies like Exxon, Schlumberger, all sorts of oil and gas. And it was concerning. Um, First, I think it's clear that in this climate emergency, none of you should be invested in that. And I'd like to see a statement from each one of you. who is invested, in those companies that you plan to divest and when you plan to divest. If you already have divested, congratulations. But that simply cannot continue to go unremarked upon. Um, And I urge you to to take a more responsible and frankly, less hypocritical approach. I'd also like to point out that the people who will be most impacted by climate change, who are already being most impacted. climate change, do not look at all and I think that's a good thing. like the all white. City Council. and economically they don't resemble them at all. Um, So that's pretty significant. We need to think more about who gets to run, who gets invited onto city council. It's nice that, Joan Cox is friends with somebody's wife. That's not appropriate. We need much better outreach. I noticed that your applicants in the session prior to closed session. for the various positions were all white. And that's distressing. We've had so many conversations about Sausalito's history of racially restrictive housing covenants, how totally bizarre it is that so many of you are so tied to real estate interests, And yet none of this seems to penetrate. So, I do want to say I started going to Sausalito City Council meetings when I was a teenager and Sally Stanford was mayor. And I hate to say it, Thank you. |
| 00:26:55.36 | Heidi Scoble | Your three minutes hasn't expired. |
| 00:26:55.76 | Eva Krasanti | Thank you. |
| 00:26:55.91 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | and it's really good. |
| 00:26:56.17 | Eva Krasanti | It's expired. |
| 00:26:56.98 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | you Okay, thank you. Tricia Smith? Welcome. |
| 00:27:09.79 | Tricia Smith | Hey there. Let me see if I can do my video. Hey everybody, this is actually a big uh, First of all, a big welcome back to Jill. It is great to have you back. But I want to let you know what Tom was doing while you were gone, because when the pandemic started, He reached out and called. to become a volunteer for CARS immediately. So cars, the transportation program, immediately turned into a program errands and phone calls. And Tom, how many phone calls did you make? to the seniors in town. And it was so appreciated and He was doing the deliveries. He was going and picking up the medications for folks. When we weren't able to get background checks quickly on new volunteers, he stepped up and was running around doing incredible things. say thank you so much for doing that. And now that you have more time that you're not on council, we look forward to having you back with CARS. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:28:10.77 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Thank you, Tisha. All right, Donna Stern, welcome. |
| 00:28:21.30 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, I don't think Donna. Oh, and I've Great. Okay. So is Donna here or did she want to speak on the next item maybe? All right, well, we will move on. I don't see any additional public comment. Tom, thank you so much. Enjoy your evening. We are all quite jealous that you will get to spend time with your family tonight. So we will. just extend our huge thanks to you and welcome back to jail. |
| 00:28:54.73 | Tom Riley | Thank you, Mayor. I will stay in the peanut gallery for a while. Thank you. |
| 00:28:54.78 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Okay. |
| 00:28:58.43 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Right. Okay, so we'll move on to general public comment. And I see that Ting Lee has her hand up. Welcome Ting. |
| 00:29:07.88 | Ting Lee | Thank you. |
| 00:29:09.85 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:29:09.87 | Ting Lee | Hi, thank you for this opportunity. My name is Ting Lee and I would like to use this moment to remind City Council of their once stated ambition to lead in sustainability. The sustainability commission has provided several resources and action plans in the past to reduce emissions and fight the climate emergency that we're currently in We have proposed the Climate Action Plan, which was approved in 2015. as well as the low emissions action plan approved in 2019. However, to date, not a single measure in either of these action plans have been implemented. At the same time, we are in the middle of a climate emergency. And again, we're in the worst fire season and it's not even over. We have broken air quality, poor air quality days. We have a record of 31 spare the air alert days that that was in place. Seven of the 10 most destructive fires in California have happened just within the last five years. And we're still counting. But last time I checked, more than 3 million acres have burned. And that's compared to an average of only 300,000 per fire season. So why I'm saying all of this is I want to urge the the city council to really take this climate emergency seriously and to give it the same sense of urgency as we do, for example, COVID-19. We are in the middle of this situation and we have to fight with everything we have to reduce emissions. One way to do this, I would suggest that sustainability become a standing agenda item in every future meeting that city council has moving forward. We have several other measures and I know next on the agenda are some things that we have prepared and sent your way already. |
| 00:31:06.04 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | that. |
| 00:31:06.44 | Ting Lee | Thank you. |
| 00:31:06.59 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you very much. Great, thank you, Ting, and thanks for all your work on the Sustainability Commission. Chris Durbin, welcome. |
| 00:31:18.18 | Chris Durbin | Hi. Sorry. Fuzzy picture. Good evening, council members, and best wishes to you, Tom, in your next chapter. Um, I'm, I'm, my name is Chris Durbin and I'm a resident of Sausalito. and a member of Friends of Sausalito Road City School District. And I'm here today to ask you to please vote yes, asking all of you on the council and everyone else in our community to please vote yes on Measure P. that is on your ballot. Measure P is our opportunity to invest in our schools and in our community. if approved by 55% of the vote, Measure P will provide safe, healthy, modern, and upgraded learning spaces to support our children address equity issues and forge a path of opportunity for all the children of the 94965. We know that a high quality education is fundamental to the success of our children. This starts by ensuring that all children in our community receive the best education possible. Good schools make a positive impact on our community. Raise property values. and provides the academic foundation for our students to succeed in high school. college and beyond. specifically Measure M, Measure P, the other measure, Measure P, will replace outdated portable classrooms with modern permanent facilities modernized classrooms at both the Phillips Drive campus |
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| 00:32:54.62 | Chris Durbin | on the Nevada Street campus. to provide students with improved learning environments, And- It includes a citizens oversight committee to protect taxpayer funds and ensures no money is spent on administrative salaries. Whether or not you have school-aged children, Measure P is a critical investment in our community's future. As the Marin IJ said in their endorsement of Measure P, the condition of our public school campuses and the facilities they provide. should reflect the importance in which the community places the education of its youth. On the November 3rd ballot, the IJ recommends passage of Measure P. Please join the Marina IJ the Marine Democratic Party our firefighters, the Land Trust, the Trust for Public Land, and many others. and vote yes on Measure P. If you would like more information, please visit Vote yes on MeasureP.com. I'll repeat that. Vote yes on MeasureP.com. where you can get lots of information. This is a really critical measure for our community. It's only the second. um, school construction bond in our school district since the 1940s. we really need to take care of our facilities for our kids. So thank you for letting me speak. I appreciate it. |
| 00:34:20.96 | Unknown | Thank you, Donna Stern. Welcome. |
| 00:34:29.11 | Donna Stern | Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Hi, thank you so much. I appreciate the time. I have three quick items. The first one being sound. There's about six of us residents and homeowners here on 139 Curry and the surrounding areas. that are impacted by the two Crescensia development that's completely finished now. And we're petitioning and getting ready to. And, uh, take some action. We would like the, uh, the occupancy permit to be held until we can get a sound engineer to come out and reverse the wall that was installed backwards. So that's the first impact that we are suffering. The second item is when do you think the residents of Sausalito will be able to see the loan documents and the appraisal for the B of A building. I know as a taxpayer here, I pay $30,000 a year in property taxes. I would like to see the appraisal. I would like to see the loan documents and what kind financing was secured for that $200,000 down. that didn't require voter permission And I also wanted to know what the mayor thinks about Do you think it's appropriate for the mayor to endorse candidates for city council? to leave some in, have some out, and how do you feel about that? I don't know. I think it's a little inappropriate to have a mayor endorsing candidates while they're sitting there in the position that they're in. |
| 00:35:53.05 | Matt Stolling | Thank you. |
| 00:36:01.75 | Donna Stern | Those are the three agenda items that I really wanted to speak on. Thank you. |
| 00:36:06.70 | Unknown | Great, thank you. |
| 00:36:07.64 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:36:08.18 | Unknown | Ken? |
| 00:36:08.94 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:36:23.00 | Heidi Scoble | Ken has been unmuted and we'll need to unmute his microphone. |
| 00:36:40.36 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So I'm still not hearing Ken. Lisa Smith- looks muted for my end Heidi. |
| 00:36:57.12 | Heidi Scoble | And we've asked Ken to unmute himself through a Zoom request and Ken just needs to unmute his microphone. Okay. |
| 00:37:09.03 | Ken Peterson | Yes, my name is Ken Peterson. Can you hear me? |
| 00:37:12.02 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, hi, welcome. |
| 00:37:14.64 | Ken Peterson | Yes. Thank you. You know, I've met with each one of you guys individually, and it's never It's a never ending process, you know, to try to figure out how Ugh. how we can we could convey the information that we need for you guys. for everybody to understand it. We have, we have, we were one of the, Very first, right after World War II, my dad purchased the property. No sea level rising. It's just consolidation of the soil. We have a few buildings on our property that that are below the seven foot mean lower low water, which is the tide book, which is a normal high tide. We can't. our tenants, W tenants that are there, Harbor Dive, others that have been with us for 30 years, will not have a building in X amount of time, no way to raise them, no way to do anything. not just financial, but there's no way possible to raise that building, to raise the property, build a new building, with our current rents. what were what, Michael Rex and my son Casey and I have come up with is to do a CUP per building that we need to replace, allowing a second floor to have applied art, allows W allows marine applied art, which I don't know, I didn't think we ever had one. Michael Rex remembers we might have won somebody kind of fooling with the permit process, but I don't even remember that. Bottom line, we've never had a Marine applied art. All we're asking for is in the second story that we could have applied art. Applied art, from not only the information that we gave you from our economists that shows that's the only way that works, but also the GPAC. Your economists showed the same thing. W rents cannot, will not, Ford property owners to build a new building and make a profit, which just so you know, we won't do it. So they'll just go away. So there will be no place for our current W-tenants who have been with us for 30 years. You know, Tom Raiola has been with us for 20 years. He will not have a place. I believe we can do this and it will work. I want to. I want to protect our W tenants. That's what makes us a full service marina. We have something that no other marina, and a few marinas in the Bay Area have full service from whatever you need. You do not have to travel outside our marina. to be able to take care of your needs. Your three minutes has expired. |
| 00:40:16.89 | Heidi Scoble | you can. |
| 00:40:16.92 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Your three minutes has expired. |
| 00:40:18.18 | Heidi Scoble | I'm sorry. |
| 00:40:19.32 | Ken Peterson | Thank you for listening to me. |
| 00:40:21.34 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you, Ken. Thank you for coming. Okay, we have Devo's iPad again. Welcome back. |
| 00:40:31.47 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | If you'd like to give us your name for the record, you can do that. |
| 00:40:37.29 | Eva Krasanti | Hi, Eva Krasanti. I wanted to follow up on some of the prior statements in public comment. One of which was a concern about the Council's lack of action on sustainability issues. as I was closing in the prior comment, I first started attending city, Sausalito City Council meetings when I was a teenager and Sally Stanford was the mayor. And there wasn't a big mandate for transparency back then. Sally stands for did the things she did with very little oversight. I hate to say it, but we don't have a much higher standard right now. It's hard to get documents. The FPPC website is off and down. So somebody who would like to see what oil and energy stocks, quote unquote, energy stocks, Susan Cleveland Knowles is holding, would be stymied in that effort. And that's not acceptable. Those Form 700s, all of your Form 700s, should be placed. on the city of Sausalito website so they're easy to access. I had to call the librarian. the reference librarian at the city of Sausalito Public Library. to help me with the FPPC website. and she couldn't get it either. So that needs to be up there right now. Secondly, I'd like to point out that you cannot be serious about addressing sustainability issues and climate change if you're holding shares in Chevron, in Axon, in Schlumberger. I mean, this is ridiculous. So that needs to be addressed. I'm not a big fan of public protest. I find it exhausting, but this needs to be fixed. The fires that are raging right now are directly result of are uncontrolled. climate change, the rising temperatures, I was just back east and the trees are having problems. We were in forests in Connecticut. the warming climate is killing trees in Connecticut too. You need to divest of these oil and energy shares. You should not be making money of this. If people want to know why you're not getting stuff done, it's because you're actually profiting. You're getting a dividend. I looked at your Form 700s. You're earning a dividend. from the very companies that you should not only have divested in by this point, but you should be demanding that the city has nothing to do with these companies. There are lots of other ways to go about making money and they should be not in conflict with your stated goals and they should not be um, harming. our environment in a way that's gonna make it impossible to live. And I hate to say it, but you really haven't progressed since the days of Sally Stanford. And in fact, in some ways, Sally Stanford- Your three minutes has been- |
| 00:43:40.72 | Heidi Scoble | Your three minutes has expired. |
| 00:43:41.68 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. Great. Thank you. Vicki Nichols, welcome. |
| 00:43:53.58 | Vicki Nichols | Hi, thank you Mayor Cleveland Knowles and Council. I just wanted to bring a couple of things to your attention that I found out today. Number one was I was contacted by some community members about the machine shop. And I admit I'm not in the marineship every day. And there has been some work going on down there. We know that the Veterans Administration is the owner the company there when I did get down there, is a company that had demolition in their name all over the truck. So I was a little alarmed. But then when I did go in to see the roof caved in, we know that the The previous work the VA did for supposed to have been mothballing had destabilize the north wall. The roof is now caved in. The contractor finally told me, by the way, there's no permits. posted he has promised to email these to me I did check with Lily and she was not aware of any. I know it's federal property, but I believe they still, this is a nationally registered historic building. the front facade is propped up by posts. So if there's no oversight, we are going to lose the north portion of that building. I don't know what the city can do, but I know that I haven't been hearing any updates from the VA lately. I would just really encourage you to connect with them again. And I... I'm actually tempted to go to, um, Congressman Huffman, myself, who has helped us in the past. there are ways to get this moving. We did it in HLB before. The second thing is tonight on Caledonia Street, The bollards were up again. And then I found out that the community got an email at, or no, it occurrence. notification at 5 30 tonight. Now, Everybody has been trying to be good sports on Caledonia Street with no parking. We've lost 20 places in that first block. But tonight at 530, when no one knows, that's really not enough notice. Thank you. when the streets close for the Caledonia parades, we get a little notice for 72 hours. So I just want to get the policy clear here. This does not seem fair. to go from what we know to be four days six days and I'm not even complaining for myself some friends are I mean, I've worked with them I think it's a great thing. What is the policy? There should be some notice to the people. There was a commitment by Public Works before that there would be an attempt to mitigate situation for two people with mobility issues in that block that has never been done. They've not been notified. I think you need to engage with your community because the communication is THEIR OWNERS. drastically failing on this level. Thank you. |
| 00:46:45.08 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you, Vicki. Damian, welcome. |
| 00:46:57.19 | Damian Morgan | Hello, hi, can you hear me? |
| 00:46:58.85 | Unknown | Yes, we can. |
| 00:47:00.11 | Damian Morgan | Hi, thank you, Ms. Cleveland Knowles. This is my name is Damian Morgan. I'm born and raised in Moran City, Tam High graduate Um, I come before you tonight regarding an incident that some of you are aware of. many of you may not be aware of, but, uh, at Swedes beach, uh, there was a really nasty incident what they Young man that looks like myself, African-American, was sitting at Sweet Beach and enjoying himself, you know, enjoying a beach day. I think it was last Thursday, less than a week ago. And I'm not one to call everyone. and everything, racist and racism. But, there's obviously plenty to go around, but he was a verbally attacked by a gentleman who lives on Sweet Speech. Um, I've been notified that City of South Korea is going to upload this video on your through a YouTube link I was emailed. So thank you. I forget the name, personally email me, but thank you. Thank you. for taking this seriously and alone to your website. through YouTube, but What I want to get at is this happens every day across America. And from understand this gentleman who was attacking this, African American male that he threatened to call the cops many times, but he didn't. But there have been so many times across America when the cops have been called. This... African-American man was did record this. I have a copy. Some of you have seen a copy of the video recording of this. Um, Think about the days, people. win. it was not recorded. Think about the many times that cops are called. Think about that. and we have people protesting. Yeah, we have some bad seeds out there protesting and doing bad things, but the majority of us are protesting for good reasons. Think about that, the times that the cops are called, They come. There's no recording. And what happens? bad things happen. Me personally, I'm in Mel Valley, so I'll see them every single day. enjoying. things happen sometimes, not as drastic as this, What will happen if I come across this man. different parts of Salcido every day, all day in Snow Valley, enjoying the outdoors. I hope I don't come across this. But Again, America. This has happened. I'm going to repeat myself. Yes. thousands and millions and millions of times when before when the cell phones were not recording these incidents and bad things happened. So I'm hoping the council will, you know, take this into account moving forward. I was on your meeting earlier regarding... the Park and Rec Committee. I think you have a new committee forming or the committee's being reformed or reshaped. But think about this, I'm gonna talk about parking wrecks and I am a part of Bocce and it's a great program. But think about the other spaces of parks and recs when, where, um, you know, these kind of incidents, how does that play into how you form parking wrecks? How are you protecting people? So... Appreciate the time. |
| 00:50:38.51 | Heidi Scoble | With all due respect, three minutes has expired. Okay, no problem. |
| 00:50:42.51 | Damian Morgan | Thank you. |
| 00:50:43.13 | Heidi Scoble | I'm not sure. |
| 00:50:43.52 | Damian Morgan | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:50:43.98 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:50:44.03 | Damian Morgan | Thank you. |
| 00:50:44.74 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you Damian and Heidi will upload the video. We were not able to make that happen as public correspondence before the meeting. So thank you very much. Okay, I don't see any additional hands raised. And we will move on. from public comment. Sorry, I lost my, I was writing on the back of my agenda. Sorry about that. All right. So we are moving on to item three, which is action minutes of the previous meeting. Are there any corrections or do I have a motion? |
| 00:51:35.83 | Joe Burns | I'll move that we accept the minutes of the three prior meetings. |
| 00:51:42.60 | Unknown | Have a second. |
| 00:51:47.66 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:51:47.68 | Heidi Scoble | Yes, second. |
| 00:51:49.37 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, Heidi, will we call the roll? |
| 00:51:52.49 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 00:51:57.42 | Jill Hoffman | I'm going to abstain because I was not at those meetings. I admit I haven't watched them all. |
| 00:52:05.25 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Burns. |
| 00:52:06.83 | Lily Whelan | Yes. |
| 00:52:08.34 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Cox. |
| 00:52:09.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:52:09.72 | Lily Whelan | Yes. |
| 00:52:11.00 | Heidi Scoble | Vice Mayor Withey? |
| 00:52:12.32 | Lily Whelan | Thank you. |
| 00:52:12.34 | Heidi Scoble | Yes. |
| 00:52:12.93 | Lily Whelan | Thank you. |
| 00:52:12.96 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. Mayor Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:52:15.47 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes, that motion carries for to zero with one abstention. Moving on, we will have council member committee reports. So does anyone want to start on that item? |
| 00:52:37.65 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Joe or Joan, do you have anything to report? |
| 00:52:45.12 | Ray Withy | I'll go Madam Mayor if you want me to. |
| 00:52:47.94 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:52:47.97 | Ray Withy | Perfect. Um, Yes. Just a quick rundown. I attended the Sustainability Commission. You received, under public comment, a letter from them So I won't go into that aspect of it. One of the things that you may have heard is a little bit of if you were perceptive in Ting's comments, there's a little frustration at the Sustainability Commission that they're throwing a lot of stuff at the City Council and the City Council's not responded. In our defense, I have suggested to them that a lot of the activity was done in the context of the general plan and general plan advisory committee. And some of the more general things that were generally the city council should be thinking about and acting on anyway, probably got lost in the mix a little bit. And so that was my response back to them. But for instance, I intend to put onto future agenda items a consideration of AB 1236. That was lost in some of the previous sustainability commission's recommendations and recommendations. actually needs to be addressed. We're only now one of three jurisdictions in the whole of Marin that is not compliant with AB 1236. And in fact, the state of California under biz.gov publishes a heat map of all the city jurisdictions that have failed to comply with AB 1236. And in Marin, Sausalito, Mill Valley, Belvedere, and Tiburon are conspicuous in their being do do do do red and everybody else is green. So just for the record. |
| 00:54:50.07 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | But Ray, just for the record, can you just, for the public? AB 1236 is where I'm straight. |
| 00:54:53.02 | Ray Withy | AB 1236 is about streamlining electric vehicle charging. permitting process, which is a state law, and we have not complied with that state law. So I'm going to put it forward is. But so that's so there's an example of something specific cut that came out of the Sustainability Commission. And I will put that on future agenda items. Madam Mayor, you were sort of wanting me to do something. other than because- |
| 00:55:21.86 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | other than people. It's okay, I'm just frustrated because that was on our future agenda items and was tasked to the legislative committee and I don't think that that's move forward. So, okay. |
| 00:55:32.62 | Ray Withy | Okay, so anyway, I'm highlighting it. |
| 00:55:34.13 | KC | Yeah. |
| 00:55:35.56 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 00:55:35.59 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. |
| 00:55:35.83 | Ray Withy | Also, so you got letters submitted to the City Council, AB 1236. I'm still on sustainability. The Sustainability Commission, at my urging, will be talking about at some point a resolution of climate emergency. That's going to face every single jurisdiction in Marin, so we might as well put it on future agenda items at the time, and sustainability are pushing this. Novato has just formed a task force to look at this, for instance. And then the other good news from sustainability, which is something I've been pushing, is that sustainability commissions are beginning to talk to each other in Marin. So a little working group of Sausalito, Fairfax, and San Anselmo sustainability commissions, we've appointed a liaison to that group and they're working together now to coordinate sustainability efforts. And that's something that in Drawdown Marin, for instance, we've been encouraging. moving on League of California Cities I attended their virtual conference on and off it was a good deal 50 bucks and you've got probably the best collection of some of the best collections of seminars you can listen to so that's a good deal and um uh the North Bay division elected a new president of the North Bay Division, which is Mayor Eli Beckman of Corp Madeira, Um, I would have assumed that position for next year. and sadly had to not assume that position because I decided not to get reelected. So, I also attended a finance committee meeting with the mayor. That is probably up on the website, the video of that on the website. And we reviewed each of the funds that the enterprise funds such as MLK parking, sewer, et cetera, et cetera, Um, To my great relief, each of these funds are in operationally are in pretty good shape, actually. So, but if you want to catch up on that, go to the finance committee. And then finally, I attended an MC technical committee meeting in which we approved the 2021 Integrated Resource Plan for MCE. the Standard fare, we've been working on that every year since I've been on that board and that committee. The interesting thing is, the take-home message is, in the next time period, over the next 10 years, as MCE tries to move from 60% renewables to, I think, 90% is the goal, or 87%, which may seem rather easy, it's such an incredibly difficult challenge. It's not greenhouse GHG free, we're talking about renewables. Um, Incredibly challenging goal to get from 60% to 85%. And the interesting thing is for all future procurement, MC... is not interested in procuring solar, they're not interested in procuring wind. They got enough. That's not gonna work. In order to move the needle up now, they're gonna need to procure energy products in which you have battery storage coupled with solar or battery storage coupled with wind. It's the only way to remove the renewable wind needle from 60% up because during the evening, during the peak of the duck curve hours, There is no solar. So where's it coming from? How are you going to get renewables when it's dark? you know, and the wind's gone down. Well, the only way is through battery storage. So that's the new procurement, and that's why MC next year will be raising a lot of money on the capital markets to invest in battery storage coupled with solar assets in order to better move that goal, and that's my report. |
| 00:59:53.38 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Anyone else? |
| 00:59:55.62 | Joe Burns | I'll just report quickly on EDAC, though there is a document in our agenda tonight. And again, the EDAC is the Economic Development Advisory Committee. The committee had a meeting last week that was, first of all, they reappointed their current leadership. That was a very soft initial term of four months or so. but they took the step to reaffirm Jessica Rogers as president, or I'm sorry, chair, president, chair, Ian Sobesky as vice chair, and Cass Green as somewhat reluctant secretary waiting for somebody else to step up because she needed some time. So that was kind of one of the first steps. And then they really got into the economic, I mean, the Cosmont plan, the Cosmont report and choosing their, priority list that we have been working on both starting back from BAC and hospitality into the Cosmont report. And then looking through that list, they had a long discussion and a very thought out discussion on the different items that they wanted to place that you will see in that document, their priority recommendations to us. So I think that document is great for us, great for the public and this council then needs to decide how we use the recommendations, whether it goes straight to strategic plan or do we have a separate meeting? I know we have just a gob of things to do, but we do have their document in hand and it was done very well with that group. I'll take a little bit of time here to explain the Caledonia thing today. As you know, we have been tortured with weather in the Caledonia area this year. While all the other restaurants in town were open and having a great time, we had high winds and fog and mist through most of July. and given that there's no protection on Caledonia, though we had the street closed many of those weekends, there was very little opportunity. through most of July and given that there's no protection on Caledonia. Though we had the street closed many of those weekends, there was very little opportunity to eat outside, let alone hold onto the table as it tried to blow away. The good news is the wind died down just the time the smoke came. So those and retailers and restaurants and retailers really had a tough go of it. We saw a A stellar sunny week ahead. And like you often do in stellar sunny weeks, you try to make hay one last time before the hay season ends. So I and Tom Riley reached out to Adam Pulitzer to use his authorization to close the street for two additional days this week so that we can make some hay and allow these restaurants and our community as a locals opportunity to come down on a Tuesday, not us tonight, but definitely tomorrow night for locals night. So we're calling tomorrow night locals night on Caledonia. And we hope, you know, yes, there might be some inconvenience for some people in their parking. This is happening all across the United States, if not the world. If you go into just about every city within this geographical area in our region, you'll find most of their downtown parking has been eliminated for $10. Thank you. this type of use. We've limited one part of a block so that our businesses can thrive or at least get caught up and our residents have a place to go, eat, see each other in a socially distant outdoor mask wearing way. I cannot see anything more valuable to our community than the opportunity this week provides with nice sunny weather, hopefully no smoke, Hopefully light winds tomorrow and the ability for all of us to get out, support our local businesses, go into the stores. They're all open. They're making an effort to be there. And let's help our community one last time while we can still make hay. So I appreciate that we brought that up tonight. And I hope everybody will see you on Caledonia. And for the rest of the year, all of our businesses in Sausalito, please support them. |
| 01:04:10.03 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you, Joan. Joan or Jill, anything to report? |
| 01:04:15.72 | Joan Cox | Sure. I, over the last couple of weeks, attended several affordable housing committee meetings with our mayor, as well as one meeting with Senator McGuire regarding our ongoing efforts to identify grant funding that Sausalito could rely on in forwarding its housing strategy. The other meetings that I attended with the mayor were largely to prepare the staff report that you see before you tonight and to confer with our consultants about the information we believed it was important to convey to the entire Council, so you'll see. That information will address that information specifically tonight and also to address the heads up that I mentioned at our last meeting that we got from. Pat Eklund. in Novato regarding the numbers assigned to Sausalito right now for its regional housing needs. um assessment for the upcoming housing element and again that's we will discuss that in more detail. in that agenda item tonight. Thank you. |
| 01:05:24.70 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. So as John mentioned, we had some housing meetings. I also was at the Finance Committee meeting with Ray. at our last Transportation Authority of Marin Fall Committee. It's very exciting. You'll see on our consent agenda that are gate six improvements for bicycle access and other traffic improvements is now fully funded. We were $150,000 short. on that project due to increasing costs of materials and the Transportation Authority of Moran was able to plug that gap with the last $100,000 and the county added another just over 50. Thank you to both. TAM and the county for adding funds for that incredibly important infrastructure project that impacts residents in Marin City and Sausalito and north of West Timmel Valley coming through on bikes. So that was good from that. relevant to the earlier comments from Tyn Lee and from the vice mayor at our executive committee meeting yesterday at TAM we heard a presentation on TAM's alternative fuel. strategy. and fund. And They are actually increasing the funds available for that program for this year. by about a little over $100,000 to continue to fund EV charging e-bike infrastructure and alternative fuel vehicles for public agencies. And you know, on this theme of continuing to press forward on these issues, I have tried to advance the Sausalito getting at least one, if not many, many more EV charging stations in Sausalito practically at every other meeting or every four meetings. I think everybody's tired of hearing me talk about it, but at least at our last finance committee meeting, I did see that it was now on our capital project lists. These are really low hanging fruit for our community. There is so much money available out there. to pay for them. And I really, really hope we move that item forward as requested by the sustainability. committee. So those are my Committee meetings and oh and the pedestrian bike advisory committee meets next Monday and we'll have another discussion on Nevada street and the bicycle lane. proposed for that, among other things. Okay, I think that concludes our committee reports. Is there any public comment on this item? Sarah Mastrianni, Not seeing any so we will move on to our consent calendar, we have several. Items on consent, one of which I just mentioned, gate six. As for the community, our COVID-19 update is on consent this week, given the number of other items that we have on our regular agenda. Are there any council member comments on the consent agenda? at Councilmember Cox. |
| 01:09:02.10 | Joan Cox | I just had a question so our. Um, E-DAC. report, uh, has a staff recommendation of adopt a resolution increasing our membership from 11 to 12 and appoint a new member. but it's on consent, so it doesn't say who we're gonna appoint. And I think we all know who we discussed appointing, but it's not clear in the staff report. |
| 01:09:27.72 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I think it is in the staff report. Thank you. |
| 01:09:30.74 | Joan Cox | That's... |
| 01:09:30.76 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. but it is Tom Riley. I know. |
| 01:09:34.05 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:34.06 | Joan Cox | I'm sorry. |
| 01:09:34.21 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:09:34.30 | Joan Cox | I know that, but I... |
| 01:09:34.85 | Unknown | that. |
| 01:09:35.95 | Joan Cox | Thank you. It's that there's an opportunity for him to continue his work. |
| 01:09:37.45 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:09:40.80 | Joan Cox | and staff is, but, uh, by being appointed but the recommendations just says appoint 12th member so i just wanted to be clear that we all know we're appointing Tom Riley to that position. |
| 01:09:56.94 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, thank you, Anne, for a three-year term, I think. |
| 01:09:60.00 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 01:10:00.02 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:10:00.35 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 01:10:00.64 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | from staff. PB, Sarah Silver, Okay, that that clarification any other comments on the five consent items. |
| 01:10:12.74 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so we will open this up. for public comment. Vicki Nichols, welcome back. |
| 01:10:29.24 | Vicki Nichols | I just wanted to say, and this is not, I'm not sure, it's on the item for Cheryl Pops bookstore. And there's two different times on there. One is in one correspondence, it's 10 a.m. and one is 11. so that she doesn't, miss out on an hour there. I think there's a slight discrepancy between the two documents I noticed. |
| 01:10:54.86 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, thank you. Um, Thank you. Great. Is there any other public comment on the consent items. I know that the pedestrian and Bike Advisory Committee asked me if there were none of their members that could make it tonight to just, uh, and express their enthusiasm for the gate six, improvements and that they've been working on and advocating that for that for 10 years and are excited to see it happening, although I think everyone recognizes that it will cause some short term. impacts to bike traffic. Yes. |
| 01:11:38.67 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, I thought I was... based on what Joan just said, I looked at the staff report and it's in the discussion part about, in the staff report about appointing Tom. I know I saw her there somewhere. |
| 01:11:51.97 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. And if staff could just check the, Sausalito Books by the Bay item as well, that would be helpful. All right, I'm not seeing any additional public Oh, Jessica Penrod. Great. Welcome. where you are from the pedestrian bike advisory committee. you |
| 01:12:14.73 | Jessica Penrod | Yes. Hi, everyone. Just wanted to introduce myself. I am part of the Pedestrian Bike Advisory Committee and we are definitely excited to be taking on the Gate 6 bike activity there. and happy to be part of any conversation at a later point and also have folks attend our PBAC meeting, which is actually next week, if anybody would like to add comments there. |
| 01:12:44.23 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Thanks for joining us tonight. |
| 01:12:46.30 | Jessica Penrod | Thank you. |
| 01:12:47.96 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And we have Eva again, welcome back. |
| 01:12:52.73 | Eva Krasanti | Thank you. bicycle and pedestrian committee. I do want to say that one of the reasons we went to city council meetings as teenagers, was to advocate for the bike path that now exists in Sausalito. And that was, enabled by Sally Stanford. I do want to say that the city of Sausalito, for all its high-minded talk, about environmentalism, about climate change and all this needs to take a much more aggressive approach. even within its own. even within its own city council. So again, as someone, I've never driven a car in my life. I'm 52 years old. It's possible to make sacrifices for younger generations, and that's what I been trying to do. Um, But, I'm not very sympathetic to city council members. who own Exxon or Chevron and haven't divested yet. They need to divest. Further, I want to point out that we don't have a lot of time. We're seeing that Exxon, if you read the New York Times anytime in the last, is going full bore ahead with plans to generate even more Um, that will produce climate change. They're not slowing down. There is absolutely no slowing down at Exxon. This is a matter of critical importance. And unfortunately, I think it really reflects on, um, the city council and how it approaches, um, how it approaches business. there's no real thinking. about the long-term effects of what they're doing. I see a lot of I would see disparagement of working class people, not very good attention to their needs in Sausalito. zero attention to the needs of women and minorities in the city of Sausalito. And that's particularly annoying given the number of women on Sausalito City Council. I think you need to take a much harder look at your own financial dealings, but you also need to be transparent and you need to make, those Form 700s available so we know about Ray Withey, so we know about Susan Cleveland Knowles, And those Form 700s, I will point out, are not really strictly enforced. So we don't know the extent of your holdings. We don't know if you're being fully honest. It's basically an honor system. The former mayor of Belvedere who owns mines, mining land out in the Western states, He said he had no property whatsoever. I don't know if he transferred it to his wife, but this sort of accountability needs to be looked at harder and you need to do a better job because we obviously aren't getting the change we need and time is running. |
| 01:15:55.91 | Heidi Scoble | Your three minutes has expired. |
| 01:15:57.06 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I'm sorry. |
| 01:16:00.36 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, great. Thank you. I'm not seeing any other hands raised on this item. Can staff just comment about the hours of the Sausalito Books by the Bay items? and what we are approving tonight. |
| 01:16:14.59 | Lily Whelan | Sure, Madam Mayor. I just took a look at what the police department recommended and it was 11 a.m. Sorry for the inconsistency, but it should be 11. |
| 01:16:24.55 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Great, so that's what we will be voting on. Do I have a motion on our consent calendar? |
| 01:16:31.67 | Ray Withy | So I'll move adoption of consent calendars 5A through 5E with the clarification on item 5C. |
| 01:16:40.12 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Second. Okay, would the clerk please call the roll? |
| 01:16:46.43 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:16:46.45 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 01:16:46.47 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 01:16:46.60 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | to member Hoffman. |
| 01:16:47.97 | Heidi Scoble | Yes. Council member Burns. |
| 01:16:49.03 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Remember Burns? |
| 01:16:50.03 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:16:50.05 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:16:50.87 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Cox? Vice Mayor Withey. |
| 01:16:54.70 | Ray Withy | Yeah. |
| 01:16:54.97 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. Mayor Cleveland Knowles. |
| 01:16:57.34 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes, thank you. That motion passes five zero and our concurrent calendar is approved. All right, we will now turn to our business items. We have no public hearing items tonight. And we have three business items tonight. The first on our calendar is 7A. It's a housing element 2023 introduction. housing legislation update and other housing related action items. And we have our community development director Lily Whalen here to kick us off. So thank you and welcome. We're looking forward to this important topic. |
| 01:17:37.78 | Lily Whelan | Thank you. Madam Mayor, I'm just going to share my screen here. And |
| 01:17:48.95 | Lily Whelan | Everyone can see that, okay? |
| 01:17:51.74 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes, thank you. |
| 01:17:52.97 | Lily Whelan | Excellent. |
| 01:17:57.71 | Lily Whelan | Good evening. I am Lily Whelan, your Community Development Director. And tonight we'll be covering a number of housing related items for the Council's discussion and consideration. with some action items requested as identified in the staff report. And we ask that in order to get through the presentation this evening in the most efficient manner that the council hold questions if possible until the end of the presentation. |
| 01:18:24.43 | Lily Whelan | We'll be first receiving a presentation from Lisa Wise on an introduction to the upcoming six cycle housing element. You'll then receive a presentation from Barbara Kautz on state housing legislative updates. And then I will cover the remaining items in the staff report, including a request to send a letter to the executive board of the MTC ABAG, regarding the regional housing needs allocation methodology a status update on the Blue Ribbon Task Force on Housing. The preliminary housing site identification map and grant funding opportunities for housing. And so now I will hand it off to Lisa Wise for the housing element portion of the presentation. And I will run the slides for her here. So if we can unmute her and let her I'm going to give her presentation here. |
| 01:19:14.83 | Lisa Wise | Great. Thank you, Lily. Good evening, Mayor, City Council, and members of the public. I'm Lisa Wise, President of Lisa Wise Consulting. It's a pleasure to be here tonight. Um, We have worked on a number of housing elements around the state over the last several cycles. And in the sixth cycle, we're working on several housing elements in the SKAG and SACOG regions. We're going to talk about a couple of things as the next slide shows on the agenda. provide an overview of housing elements, discuss the regional housing needs allocation process and methodology. This is also called RENA. So you'll see RENA throughout the presentation is an acronym. I'll talk a little bit about some of the new housing laws. There's been a flood of legislation. over the last several years, so we'll hit a few highlights there. And then lastly, a summary of the opportunities and challenges related to that. to the housing element. So what is a housing element on the next slide? Housing element law is not new. It's been around since 1969. So the state's been working on housing elements for I guess 66 decades and housing elements are one of the elements of your general plan. which we know that's on your agenda tonight and you're working on that. And there's a lot of details that go into the housing element, but there's a couple of big big high level things I kind of wanted to lay out early. So the housing element should establish a roadmap for accommodating your projected housing demand over the planning period. And the planning period we're talking about coming up right now Is it 2023 to 2030 planning period? So that's the next cycle, the sixth cycle. And like other general plan elements, and he's a set housing goals, policies and programs But unlike other general plan elements, it really needs to demonstrate how the city will accommodate housing for all income levels, with detailed analysis of development feasibility and constraints to healthy production. And the housing element also needs to be approved and certified by the state. As the next site shows, more specifically, There's a few components of the housing element that I want to touch on. you're taking these things into consideration. So first and foremost, when you're updating the housing element, you're conducting a policy review. So what's working and not working in the current housing element to put that into account. The next major component is a housing needs assessment. This is essentially a big data crunching exercise, looking at analyzing and evaluating socioeconomic information. And then what the state's focused on recently is the adequate sites inventory. And I'll talk a little bit more about this in a minute. Another big component is the housing resources assessment. This is looking at resources available to the city in terms of funding and other resources. Another big component of the housing element that the state looks at is the housing constraints assessment. This is looking at governmental and non-governmental constraints, non-governmental constraints or market constraints. So thinking about how those constrain the production of housing, particularly for lower income households, And then lastly, an implementation plan with policies and programs, And the housing element is sent to HCD for certification. HCD is the State Department of Housing and Community Development. The next slide shows kind of in a nutshell, the RHNA or regional housing need allocation process Starting at the state level, the allocation starts at the state level, where HCD and the Department of Finance Determine the number of housing units that each region in the state needs to plan for. This is the first step that happens at the state level and it happened for the ABAC region last year. That allocation or determination is then distributed to the regions and the Bay Area, it's a bag. And ABAG develops a process for allocating the units or the regional allocation to local cities and counties And then based on this allocation, cities and counties update their housing elements. As you know, this allocation process is happening right now in the Bay Area. As you can see on the next slide, which shows a timeline. of kind of where we are and through the end of the planning for the sixth cycle, HED issued a regional housing needs determination letter to ABAG in June of this year. So the allocation just came from the state. which showed that the region needs to plan for about a 441,000 units and I have a slide to show how that's broken down. And then more recently, A bags housing methodology committee committee voted on the methodology for allocating this regional allocation, the larger number to all cities and counties. And I have a slide on that too. The next step is for the ABAC Housing Methodology Committee recommendation, it goes to the Executive Committee of ABAC, that happens on Thursday of this week. just two days from now. But I want to make clear that this is a proposed methodology. This is draft. And they're not going to be the numbers aren't finalized until spring of 2021 when an appeal process opens for the city. So the numbers are large and we want to walk through them, but these are only proposed numbers at this point. and then they'll finalize at the end of next year and then the city needs to have their housing element update due and sent to the state in January of 2023. The next slide shows ABAC proposed RHNA methodology. Um, the Housing Methodology Committee evaluated several scenarios and options before they came to this preferred or proposed methodology. They looked at different baselines, they looked at allocations by income, and several different factors. A lot of work went into coming up with this proposal. But the proposal as it stands, the committee recommends a methodology with an emphasis on high opportunity areas. and job proximity, and they use a baseline based on the Plan Bay Area Regional Plan, focusing on future households as the baseline. I'm not sure. As you can see on the slide, the allocation for very low and low income households is really weighted to high opportunity areas and I'll have a map of that in a minute. |
| 01:25:50.45 | Matt Stolling | Um, |
| 01:25:59.77 | Lisa Wise | And above moderate and above moderate households, the allocation is split. between access to high opportunity areas and job proximity. So the next slide shows these high opportunity areas on a map. Um, This map is produced by ECD and TCAP, the Tax Credit Allocation Committee, And what it's trying to illustrate is critical life outcomes in terms of education, Earning from employment. and economic mobility. The dark blue areas have the high and highest resources. As you can see on the map, Southern Marin County and Sausalito is one of the That was one of the areas with the highest resources. And this played a part in the methodology. The next slide shows the comparisons between the current cycle, which is the fifth cycle, housing allocation. and the sixth cycle, which is the upcoming cycle. The current cycle covers 2015 to 2023. The next planning cycle that we're taking into account now covers 2023. to 20, 31 or another eight years. As you can see on the slide, the FISC cycle, total allocation was about 188,000 units across all income categories. The sixth cycle It is a little over 441,000 units. So quite a large jump for the region. When we look at the city individually, the fifth cycle versus the sixth cycle in the current cycle or the fifth cycle again, the period 2015 to 2023. The city had a total allocation of 79 units in the upcoming cycle under the proposed methodology This jumps to 740 units. based on broken down by household incomes Very low, low, moderate and above moderate. And the income classifications are based on area median income. for the county, which right now is about $143,000 for a family of four. We just wanted to show you the, the vacant and underutilized sites that are in your current housing element this is a map from your current housing element As you can see, According to the current housing element, there's really limited throughout the city. that were identified previously, these are almost 90 parcels in about 18 acres. A lot of effort went into this analysis and depending on the proposed RENA methodology, you would have to go through this analysis again. I'm not sure. There's been a lot of legislation. I mean, Barb Kautz is going to talk about this too. But in terms of adequate sites or the vacant land inventory, One of the most significant pieces of legislation is AB 1397. which was passed in 2017. And there's a lot to consider in this legislation in terms of identifying what's called adequate sites. But a couple of key things that I just wanted to point out is that we're talking about when you're talking about your unit capacity calculations, they really have to be Uh, ground truth, and based on a history of development in or around the city. That's number one. Another big takeaway from this legislation is that if vacant sites are used to accommodate a majority of the very low and low income units. you really must have substantial evidence that whatever's on that site is not an impediment to housing production. at certain densities. So that's another big takeaway A third big takeaway is that if you're using sites in your existing housing for a very low, and low-income units that they need to be rezoned. And under the rezone, you have to require that at least 20% of the units in a new development are affordable to lower income households And another thing which is not new, what's more emphasized in this legislation is the The need to accommodate the size of parcels, being very careful with really small parcels under a half acre, and very large parcels and being able to demonstrate that they're feasible in terms of development. We also wanted to touch on really quickly just ADUs, the states encouraging. and streamlining the construction and production of more ADUs across the state, as you might know, AB 61 requires jurisdictions to include a plan for incentivizing ADUs and their housing element update. So that would need to be taken into account in the next cycle. And then the next slide just shows a lot of other legislation that we're not going to go into all the details in addition to. The ones I just talked to, AB 1397 on sites and AB 6071 on ADUs. that's already adopted. that you need to take into account And we can talk more about this in Q&A if you have questions. And then lastly, just in terms of challenges and opportunity, Um, The six cycles just much more complex than previous cycles. The state's really putting an emphasis on the production of housing and solving the housing crisis. All jurisdictions and regions across the state are also seeing larger arena targets, which makes meeting these more stringent requirements more difficult. So I think that's the key takeaway in terms of challenges On benefits, I mean, the obvious benefit that's not even really on the slide is to really help address the state's housing crisis. I mean, I think this is what the legislation is trying to get to. and the allocation process. Another big benefit of a certified housing element is maintaining greater discretionary view over affordable housing projects. And Borough Krauts is going to talk about that. a little bit more. And then lastly, and the city knows this because the city has been applying for these funds, but remaining eligible for state funds Most of the grants coming out of HED, Housing and Community Development, require certified and compliant housing elements to apply for those funds. So another big benefit there. And with that, I'll turn it over to Ms. Keltz. |
| 01:32:44.06 | Barb Kautz | Hi, Mayor and Councilmembers. So I'm Barb Kautz. I've been asked to talk about a couple of things. Can you hear me, first of all? Um, So I've been asked to talk about two things. One is what did the legislature do this year and what is it likely to do next year? And the second, thing is, What restrictions are there regarding cities review and approval of housing projects after the zoning is done as Lisa was was discussing. So, which in some ways is a summary of all the laws that have taken place. So this slide was actually prepared by the American Planning Association and it shows what happened to most of the Senate housing bills that they were following. And there's a similar slide for the assembly. And the truth is that very few of the housing bills that were proposed were in fact adopted. This was going to be the year of housing. There were over 200 housing bills proposed and very few got passed. Why was that? Well, one was that the legislature ran out of time. With COVID, they lost months. Legislators were asked to cut back on their bills. uh, There were, there was a lot of several bills were passed in the assembly at the last minute and the Senate didn't have time to act on them. And there were a lot of arguments over policy. how much affordable housing, projects should have to have prevailing wages, a lot on increased densities in single family areas. And you'll notice on this slide, there's two bills left, and one of them, SB 182, was in fact vetoed by the governor. So the bills that were passed are kind of a mishmash of small things we provided a summary memo for the Council and city, but It's kind of hard to find a theme. Next slide. we did want to point out two particular bills that would, that might affect the city and the city might be particularly interested in. One involves density bonuses and it increases the maximum bonuses to 50%. to rather small increases in affordability. So with 11% very low income units, you can get a 35% density bonus. And if the developer chose to increase that to 15%, the density bonus would go way up to 50%. So it's a big increase. in the bonus. But, There's a rather odd provision in the bill saying that none of the provisions in the bill apply. if the city adopts its own ordinance, allowing bonuses exceeding 35%. So that may be something that the city wants to consider. The next bill that's worth discussing allows, makes it easier to use the parking lots of religious institutions, which are rather broadly defined, for parking. So half of the parking spaces that would ordinarily be required for the religious institution by the city's zoning. can be used for housing without replacing the parking. there are quite minimal affordability requirements to do this. So it basically encourages religious institutions to use their parking lots for housing. And so then I was asked to talk about what is likely to come back next year. And sometimes we're surprised. People come up with new ideas nobody has thought about. And it's not clear how the interests that resulted in lack of success in the last session will play out. But I've noticed that usually the most bills are passed in the first year of the session. when nobody's running for office. And so 2017 and 2019 were banner years and maybe 2021 will be as well. There is no doubt that the legislature and the governor are still interested in bills that will resolve the housing crisis. And the failed bills this year focused on these areas. THE END OF SB 1120, which would have required to allow four plexus on most lots in single family areas. passed the assembly and only died because the state senate ran out of time. And that bill There were there were several bills that had different philosophies but the one that would have required four plexus was the one that got farther. furthest. housing and commercial areas, given all the retail vacancies there. were a couple of bills that would have required cities to allow housing in all commercial areas. I'm not sure. the types of bills that Senator Weiner has sponsored in the past, providing for greater density near transit may reappear. Although given the reduction in transit services, maybe with COVID possibly that isn't as, and the failure of the bills, that one may not proceed as much. There's still more interest in requiring more ministerial approvals like SB 35, which I'll talk about later. And last year, initially there was going to be a big push to limit local impact fees, but with the COVID crisis and all the revenues crashing, The legislature decided that was not the year to do it. So these are some of the areas that may, some of the types of policies that may return. Now onto the second part of my presentation about limitations on review of housing projects by city. So this is a, This quote is from a bill, some amendments to the Housing Accountability Act. passed by the legislature in 2017. where it said that their goal was to curb the capability of local governments to deny reduce the density of or render in feasible housing development projects. And the bills that have passed the legislature in the past few years are all designed to make it more difficult to reject housing on sites that are zoned for housing. or shown in the general plan for housing. And the three key laws are the Housing Accountability Act, which requires that a city use only quote objective standards in reviewing housing. It makes it very difficult to deny a project that meets objective standards SB 35, which allows certain projects to have a ministerial review, like a building permit with no review under the California Environmental Quality Act. And lastly, density bonus law. which for in exchange for providing a certain amount of affordable housing allows quite large density increases and reduced parking standards and allows virtually any zoning standard to be waived if needed to accommodate that density. And so just to give a little bit more detail about these bills, The Housing Accountability Act applies to any project that proposes two or more units and a mixed use project where two thirds of the square footage is designed for residences. It's even more difficult to deny an affordable project that has 20% low income housing. But under the Housing Accountability Act, the city can have discretionary approvals and the California Environmental Quality Act still applies. And the Housing Accountability Act also does not apply if a legislative approval like a rezoning is needed. But the key provision is that the objective standards are primarily used to evaluate projects And there's various provisions in the bill that make it hard to find that a project is not consistent For instance, one provision says if the zoning is inconsistent with the general plan, For instance, the general plan allows, says that the site is designated for housing or housing is permitted, but the zoning only allows commercial uses. then someone can apply for residents without doing a rezoning, even though the zoning doesn't permit it. So everything, it tilts the review for housing projects all toward consistency and being able to approve it. The next bill is SB 35. And that applies to the city unless the city is on track to meet all of the income categories in its regional housing needs allocation, it's RENA. It's on track to be very low, low, moderate, and above moderate. So in Sausalito, an eligible project would be a residential multifamily project or a project that's where two-thirds of the square footage is residential and that has at least 10% lower income housing. although the the development would also need to meet the city's inclusionary requirements. Two limitations are that projects of more than 10 units have to pay prevailing wage or use union labor depending on the size. which discourages some developers. The site cannot have had any rental housing on it in the last 10 years. But if a site qualifies for SB 35 review, only objective standards can be used to review projects. Again, the review is all tilted toward consistency. the city cannot have any discretionary approvals and there's no review under the California Environmental Quality Act. |
| 01:42:58.74 | Jessica Penrod | Thank you. |
| 01:43:01.12 | Barb Kautz | And then lastly, The density bonus law, which I mentioned before, A project with relatively low amounts of affordable housing can qualify for a density bonus. as can senior housing, even if it is not affordable, all market rate. And also, of course, an affordable housing project. So for a for a project that has five, about 5% very low, depending on the amount of affordable housing, they're entitled to a density bonus of 10 to 50%. A 100% affordable project is entitled to an 80% density bonus And if it's within half a mile of a major transit stop like the ferry terminal. It's entitled to an unlimited density and three additional stories. I'm not sure. Any project that's eligible for a density bonus is entitled to reduce parking and probably the greatest concern is that these projects can basically be asked to waive any uh, any development standard in the city's zoning code, height, reduced setbacks, and so forth. And the last change that the that these bills have made is to basically Switch. the controlling document from the zoning document to the general plan I was a planner for 30 years and, and, left quite a while ago. But under traditional planning, the general plan was general. But essentially the development had to be consistent with the zoning and the zoning had all the development standards. But under the housing statutes, the general plan is supreme. And even in the maximum density, And the uses allowed are those in the general plan, even if, say, the maximum density is higher than that in the zoning ordinance. And if the uses in the zoning and the general plan are inconsistent, the general plan controls. And that's a change because most general plans and zoning ordinances are still written in the way that I've designated on the left side of the screen But the statutes are requiring something different. So what's happening is that, general plans are beginning to look more like zoning ordinances. But that's... That's how the legislature now apparently wants planning to be done. So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions at the end of the presentation. Thank you. And I think we'll turn it over to Lily. |
| 01:45:57.27 | Unknown | Thank you very much to both of you, Lily. |
| 01:46:00.34 | Lily Whelan | Thank you very much. So the remaining slides here, I'm just going to go over the remainder of the items that were in the staff report for this item. So the first is what Barb already touched on here, which is the density bonus. changes and staff is recommending that the legislative committee meet to review and make recommendations on potential changes. to the density bonus ordinance in our municipal code. And then additionally, as we previously reported, At other meetings, staff will be bringing the council a recommended zoning ordinance amendment regarding accessory dwelling units and junior accessory dwelling units for consistency with updates in state law and the planning commission actually just made a recommendation last week for you so we'll be bringing that I think at your next meeting. We also wanted to mention the request for a letter from the council. Lisa Chavez, And Lisa touched on this earlier presentation with was regarding the hcd housing units that were assigned to the state of California and how that was. um, allocated to the Bay Area jurisdictions. and that the fact that the arena methodology committee is going to be meeting this Thursday regarding the methodology that they have come up with There has been some concern expressed regarding the draft methodology and the letter that we have in the packet the draft letter recommends two modifications to the proposed methodology. to utilize plan Bay Area 2050 household growth rates between 2019 and 2050 as the baseline for the arena allocation. And then also to reduce the 40% allocation factor to high resource areas for moderate and market rate units that's utilized and recommended option 8a. Staff did survey other Marin jurisdictions this afternoon and most are writing or have written letters in support of a revised methodology. And we did forward those draft letters or final letters to the council. as late now. today |
| 01:48:09.38 | Lily Whelan | The other item in the staff report is an update on the mayor's blue ribbon task force on housing which was formed in 2018 to discuss and develop strategies to promote housing and streamline the plan review process. The task force produced a report that was presented to the city council in early 2019 we have reviewed that report and indicated progress on a very various report items and provided that update as attachment six to your staff report. We also went in depth in the staff report regarding a few of highlighted items and of note The objective design and development standards have been ongoing for about a year and the current schedule has the final draft code and final draft architectural pattern book being available for cities in the county. in late February of next year. At that point, the city would then take the draft code through a public review process to modify the city's codes. Another project that we're working on as a collaboration with the county is the inclusionary housing in Luffy and that project just kicked off last week and is expected to be completed in about nine months by June of 2021. at which the city would take the fees through the public process. And then finally, we wanted to share that the shared adu website that will create a homeowner tool that gives access to floor plans process videos regulation summaries and a calculator with cost estimates in order to encourage homeowners in developing adus is well underway and the website is launching this month There'll be a series of webinars in October and November that will include information about financing, planning, and becoming a landlord. and more information about attending those webinars was included in the staff report and we'll publicize it through the current schedule. We also have a section in this staff report on the preliminary housing sites map. And we had discussions in spring of 2020 with Senator McGuire, Council Member Cox, and City Manager Adam Pollitzer and myself in anticipation of potential financial support from state of California in the form of competitive housing grants that would be available as early as 2021 to meet the needs of inadequately housed populations such as the anchor out community, seniors and the workforce. And during those discussions, Senator McGuire inquired where such housing could potentially be located. assuming zoning and logistical issues could be resolved. And eight sites were preliminary identified as candidates that could potentially be explored to provide permanent supportive housing for the anchor out community in addition to senior housing and or workforce housing with the understanding that much further study regarding the feasibility of each of the sites would be required. We have provided a revised map to the council and posted it online that clarifies the location of site number six, and that was included as late mail in the packet. We've also provided some information on grant funding opportunities for housing, and I wanted to highlight the Home Key Program. Under the Home Key Program, local entities partner with the state to acquire and rehabilitate a variety of housing types. Now, including but not limited to hotels, motels, vacant apartment buildings and residential care facilities in order to serve people experiencing homelessness or who are also at risk of serious illness from COVID-19. and with support from the mayor and Councilmember Cox The city of Sausalito applied for funding under the Home Key Program. in late September in order to build on the success of the Sausalito Safe Harbor Program and support annual ongoing lease payments to marine operators who've been identified with available slips. And the project home key application requires an adopted resolution of the city council and therefore staff is asking for the Council tonight to adopt the draft resolution and attachment eight this evening. |
| 01:52:18.93 | Lily Whelan | So that concludes our presentation to the council and our staff report and we are recommending the council take a number of actions this evening. The first is just to receive and file the information provided to you tonight on the six cycle housing element. housing legislation at the state level. the Mayor's Blue Ribbon Committee on Housing, and the preliminary list of housing opportunity sites in Sausalito. No action is required or needed on any of those items. The second item here is to authorize the mayor to sign the draft letter regarding the draft RENA methodology. The next is to direct the legislative committee to review the required changes to the density bonus ordinance in our municipal code. And then lastly, to adopt the draft home key resolution. And that concludes our staff report. And all three of us are available for any questions that you might have. Thank you for your patience and holding your questions. |
| 01:53:14.36 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. And just for the members of the public, the reason that we held all our questions is so that this presentation can be available in one kind of clip. on our website because there, I think we could have had, eight different city council presentations on the amount of material and depth that we have on the agenda tonight. So just as a reminder, this is just meant as an introductory discussion to an exceedingly important topic that we will be having a number of additional hearings on as we kick off. our next housing element cycle. But so thank you to all the presenters and thank you to our Community Development Director. So first I will ask council members if you have questions and then we will open it up for public comment. Councilmember Huffman. |
| 01:54:18.17 | Jill Hoffman | Hi, and thanks to Barbara and Lisa for a really great, comprehensive kind of initial report for us. I have two questions. One is, my first one is how do we address going forward, does the the disparity in the numbers that have been assigned to Sausalito. So when I was looking at the, chart that was in the staff report You know, our numbers in Sausalito, a town of 1.9 square miles with population of 7,000 people more or less, our numbers are really more closely you know, applicable or not closely, but applicable, but they're closely analogous to much larger towns. So Corte Madera, San Anselmo, Mill Valley, which are almost twice in size and twice in population. Although our, our, population density per square mile is about the same. We're much closer in square miles and population to Fairfax and certainly in size to Ross and Belvedere, which have far, far lower of a load. I mean, I don't know that we can address it at this point and it may be in the appeal process next spring, what generally can you tell us you know, that we can do to make this a more fair allocation, I think, to Sausalito. and chill. |
| 01:55:50.03 | Joan Cox | One of our council members asked for additional information that Lily provided this afternoon that I think is informative as to your question. And that's that table three that shows how much higher Marin County's allocation is compared to all other counties. And I wonder if that might be a source of information. as city staff addresses this question and I was hoping that city staff could share that slide. |
| 01:56:16.16 | Lily Whelan | Thank you. I can definitely pull up that table right now, if you'd like to see that right now. I think I saw Lisa jumping on here to maybe address the question about Um, potentially the appeals process or getting involved in the methodology here. If you want to hear that answer and then I can pull up the slide or we can pull it up at the same time. |
| 01:56:36.19 | Joan Cox | I don't know that Lisa was copied on that email, so I don't know if she has seen that slide. |
| 01:56:36.35 | Lily Whelan | I know. |
| 01:56:41.13 | Joan Cox | but it is shocking. |
| 01:56:48.08 | Lisa Wise | I have not seen the slide. I can talk a little bit more about the process though in detail. If the council members would like to hear that. |
| 01:56:59.24 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So maybe you could start with one of the recommendations that's in front of us tonight, which is not to wait for the appeal period, but to weigh in now this week. |
| 01:56:59.31 | Lisa Wise | Thank you. |
| 01:57:09.84 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | before the, I can't remember the acronym, the housing, methodology committee of a bag meets on Thursday. And Jill, there's a letter in our packet and Contra Costa County wrote a really interesting letter that showed that if we change the methodology to focus on household growth as opposed to future household numbers, that our number would go down from the 700 range to the 200 range. So, and that's happening this week that, methodology would be finalized. So that's one thing. So Lisa, maybe you could just focus in on what's happening this week and then give a little, at a higher level, the broader picture. Thank you. |
| 01:57:55.79 | Lisa Wise | Yeah, sure. So this week on the 15th Thursday, the ABAG Executive Board is meeting. and they're going to be reviewing the ABIG Housing Methodology Committee recommendation on the proposed RHNA. So those are the numbers you see in the methodology. that we talked a little bit about tonight, Carolyn Gallagher, What they're going to do on Thursday is approve the release. of a methodology for 30-day public review. and they're gonna have another hearing in November, on those numbers. So there's not a big window here, but there's a little bit of a window I'm not sure. to weigh in on the process. And then in December, they're going to send their final recommendation to HCD. And it's approved by HCD, the methodology. ATE has already weighed in on the methodology and some of the scenarios, so they're familiar with the ins and outs. So that's what's happening over the next several months. weighing in by Thursday with the letter I think would be you know, appropriate for the city, but there is a little bit more time between now and the November hearing. And then when they send the numbers in December, So that's the. That's kind of a little bit more detail on the process over the next couple of months. and Do you want me to jump in on the baseline allocation or do you wanna move to the other information? |
| 01:59:24.77 | Jill Hoffman | I think the baseline allocation maybe You know, if you can just succinctly, you know, sort of address that, like what you know, how we as a city can respond to that and, um, in a substantive manner, most effectively that we can. I like the fact that we're talking about doing a letter to ABAG this week. I think that's great. |
| 01:59:48.95 | Lisa Wise | So the baseline and the proposed methodology from the committee is future households in the Plan Bay Area, future households in 2050 in the Plan Bay Area, And that's taking into account existing households and growth on the number of new households over the planning period for plan Bay Area. what several jurisdictions in Marin are doing and uh, Contra Costa County. as they're recommending that existing households are not taken into account and the methodology and the baseline The baseline is only looks at household growth between 2019 and 2050. And there's a bunch of numbers, and I think there's some in your report package that show the differences between the two numbers in the baseline. But according to the contract house Contra Costa County Mayor's Conference The difference in the baseline for the city of Sausalito The proposed allocation, the baseline is 550 units. So then that's the baseline number. If you look at just the household growth, the baseline drops to 189 units. So you start with the lower baseline If you Uh, request. that they look at that just household growth. from 2019 to 2015. And then that starts the rest of the conversation about building up more or less the complete allocations. |
| 02:01:22.10 | Unknown | Okay, great. Are there other questions? John. |
| 02:01:28.34 | Joan Cox | Thank you. facts pointed out by the Contra Costa Mayor's Conference is the disparity Thank you. in the percentage of increase assigned to the various counties. So Santa Clara, one of the biggest and most capable of growing areas. was Um, one of was assigned one of the lowest numbers whereas marin county was assigned a 518 percent increase and what makes this all more all the more remarkable is that marin county already enjoys a nearly one-to-one housing to jobs ratio whereas san francisco county for example is at 40 percent housing to jobs ratio. And so for whatever reason, there is a target on the back of Marin County. Marin County has long been perceived as being a not in my backyard county, Um, Thanks to Senator McGuire, Marin County was able to retain its suburban designation and avoid an urban designation. for now, but I was curious as to what our consultants believe justifies the the huge disparity in the percent increase of total allocations in the region. And I'd like to suggest that we include this table in the letter that we send to ABAG. It's right now not included. |
| 02:03:02.32 | Joe Burns | Is San Francisco still doing.4? We've been using that number for three to four years now. job to housing ratio? They're creating jobs at that pace. |
| 02:03:11.69 | Joan Cox | creating jobs. Thank you. So I know that with the advent of the pandemic, there have been articles about higher vacancy rates in San Francisco and about people leaving San Francisco. So it may be that within the last six months, that percentage has changed but when i last checked on this at the end of last year it was still around 40 percent |
| 02:03:31.09 | Joe Burns | Okay, well, that would be the relevant number, thanks. |
| 02:03:36.91 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, are there other questions? |
| 02:03:39.34 | Joan Cox | Well, I get an answer to the question? |
| 02:03:41.03 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. |
| 02:03:41.27 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 02:03:49.67 | Lisa Wise | Um, Karen Hollweg, Well, I mean i'm not sure I can answer your question exactly the way you would like it answered, I mean the housing. Um, uh, methodology committee is meeting for almost a year and they have a number of and I think there's a lot of criteria they've been going through, meeting state requirements 30 or 35 people on that committee. Um, elected staff and then other housing advocates kind of working through that. It also went to the regional planning, um, committee today. is an interim step between the Housing Methodology Committee and the Executive Committee, and they recommended this current methodology So, staff at a bag thinks the baseline allocation of future household really captures the benefits of using Plan Bay Area 2050 as the blueprint. And they saw it as a middle ground. between using the households of 2019 where the city's allocations were even higher. And 740 and the household growth. Uh, uh, option. which is a lower allocation. So, I mean, it's hard for me to talk exactly for ABAC staff. I wasn't on the committee in and out of all those meetings, after a lot of rigmarole and consideration, they thought that um, it implemented again planned bay area 2050. And I think the discrepancy in the baseline, the discrepancy of numbers has to do a lot with the baseline. And then those allocation factors, one being the high resource areas. |
| 02:05:37.52 | Joan Cox | I have one more question, if I may. Yeah. So last week, Facebook and other tech companies announced that up to half of their employees could permanently work from home in the next five to 10 years. Also Facebook, as an example, is aggressively hiring remote workers. And I'm questioning how much of the see change in the manner in which people will work in the future is being factored into account in the RHNA methodology. |
| 02:06:13.28 | Lisa Wise | Again, I'm not in the in-announce of all the planned Bay Area analysis, but I do know the planned Bay Area has 35 strategies when they look at their numbers. And one of the strategies they take into account is this remote working and how that plays into the numbers, the future households and the projected growth. So it is one factor they take into account in their 35 strategies. I mean, although that said, this is a pretty recent development and it would have been hard for anybody to have a crystal ball into exactly you know, what this means. I'm not even sure we know what exactly what it means right now. as we're all still doing Zoom meetings. So I think that is a good point though for the city for the city to make. |
| 02:06:59.99 | Barb Kautz | Thank you. The one thing I wanted to add is that when MTC is that Plan B area right now looks at uses as a baseline not Plan B area, the RHNA methodology uses |
| 02:07:11.92 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | to Can I just interrupt you? So both Lisa and Barbara, when you're answering questions just for the public, could you please make sure to not use acronyms? So empty. Yes, I'm sorry. |
| 02:07:22.25 | Barb Kautz | Yes. I'm sorry. |
| 02:07:24.05 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:07:25.45 | Barb Kautz | the The baseline for the regional housing needs allocation was planned Bay area. And so the numbers you see and that the Housing Methodology Committee looked at was the first iteration of Plan Bay Area. Plan Bay Area is a regional plan that goes to 2050. planning for Bay Area growth. And the initial Draft of it showed that 40% of the jobs would be in Santa Clara County. is very heavily weighted towards Santa Clara County. in terms of job growth. Um, MTC, the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, which is the body that adopts planned Bay Area had a meeting and changed some of the strategies. One of the more critical ones, as Lisa said, was to add a strategy that 60% of employees should always be working remotely, except for people who have to be on the job, like people in hospitals, people in stores and so forth, but office workers like me, in my office at most, 40% of people are supposed to be in. That was one of their goals. It was opposed, interestingly enough, by the transit agencies. but, the implication of that for the numbers is not really known. Um, You know, if I were guessing, I would guess it might not be helpful to Marin County. because if you don't need to be near jobs, then residential areas might become more important, but I don't really, I have no idea how it will affect it. So So even using plan Bay area 2050 as the baseline The numbers could change significantly. But I don't think anyone knows in what direction or how they would change. |
| 02:09:31.29 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Joe or Ray, do you have any questions? |
| 02:09:35.02 | Joe Burns | Yeah, I have a quick one and I hate to back the truck up from this great conversation because it is all about the future and I like what we're talking about on how to keep this number down, but just looking at the current, um, And this, I think, goes to Lily because I don't have access to my Granicus. It only changes. It only updates the password on Tuesdays at 8 p.m. So I'm going through an update process. But I saw our current Uh. numbers, housing element numbers in some document. I can't remember if it was, it doesn't appear to be on the staff report here. So was it in an email, but can you bring that up or are, It's... I continue to say it, I've been trying to raise this red flag for a couple of years. We're going to miss all of our categories except for one. And that will impact our AB 35, correct? |
| 02:10:30.10 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Are you talking about our current housing? Yes. |
| 02:10:32.04 | Joe Burns | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:10:32.39 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Allocation? Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I think I remember. |
| 02:10:34.37 | Lily Whelan | I think I'm- I saw that document. |
| 02:10:36.83 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:10:36.86 | Lily Whelan | Thank you. |
| 02:10:36.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:10:36.92 | Lily Whelan | The arena. |
| 02:10:37.34 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 02:10:37.44 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:10:38.96 | Lily Whelan | the chart that we put together for the annual progress report that we used. |
| 02:10:42.25 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:10:43.92 | Lily Whelan | Probably we, the most recently I included it in the planning commission packet on ADUs and JADUs. |
| 02:10:49.77 | Joe Burns | Oh, that's where I saw it. OK, sorry. |
| 02:10:52.98 | Lily Whelan | I can pull that up if you give me a... |
| 02:10:55.58 | Joe Burns | Yeah, because it was brought up here, you know, we're going to miss We're not going to hit all of them, but I think we're going to miss all of them but one. given how we're trending on those. What type of impact will that have on our arguments going forward. |
| 02:11:16.71 | Joe Burns | And then I will also just ask, you know, is Marin suffering what we thought would happen three years ago when Mark Levine, someone Levine worked to get us exempt from the SB whatever on density. And we knew that Marin had a target on its back for housing. We talked about it many times about how future elements would be tainted in our direction because of that exemption from the Bay Area's density modeling. Is that maybe at play here at all? |
| 02:11:57.19 | Lily Whelan | Okay, so the first question about the progress towards meeting the arena, I think you're referring to this table here. And so this shows us year five. So it's a backwards looking table. So it's all reporting on what we did last year. |
| 02:12:04.36 | Sonia Hammonds | Yeah. |
| 02:12:13.02 | Lily Whelan | and And we were meeting our targets in all of the categories except for the above moderate. category. |
| 02:12:25.47 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 02:12:25.51 | Lily Whelan | I think the moderate |
| 02:12:25.52 | Joe Burns | I think the- We're 15 of 26, but we've only done two in the last three years. Is that correct? So, you know, these were all heavily weighted in year one. If you take year one out, because those were years two through five, the trend would say that we're not going to get more than 17 of the 26 in very low. We're not going to get more than 12 of the 16 in moderate. And we're going to get nine. No, I'm sorry, 10 of the 23 and above moderate. You mind not seeing that as everybody else does? |
| 02:13:03.73 | Lily Whelan | So I would share that we have had a giant spike in ADU permits this year alone. I'm suspecting due to the the new legislation that came out from the state earlier this year. I don't have those numbers in front of me right now, but we have been receiving a much higher number of |
| 02:13:25.21 | Joe Burns | And those are traditionally fallen into the low category, |
| 02:13:28.40 | Lily Whelan | The way that we have set it up in the housing element is that we allocate the ADUs among the very low, low, and moderate income levels for the needs of meeting our arena. We have a percentage that's allocated towards each. So they wouldn't go in the above moderate, but they go in the other three categories. |
| 02:13:40.77 | Unknown | I have. |
| 02:13:51.20 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, any other questions, Joe? Thanks for bringing that slide up, Lily. Ray, do you have anything? |
| 02:13:59.70 | Ray Withy | Yeah, very briefly. I'm going to have a lot more to say in comments, that's a good idea. One of the things that are factoring into this methodology is also this concept of high resource. which I don't quite understand and maybe I haven't studied it enough, certainly I haven't studied it enough, but Could one of our consultants or staff give one minute summary of what that's all about. How can... It seems that high resources to avoid from high space or space availability. Let's try and understand that a little bit. I'm sorry for the inartful question, but you probably get what I'm getting at. |
| 02:14:51.63 | Barb Kautz | The high resource maps were originally developed by the tax credit allocation commission. which hands out tax credits, which are for low income housing. And they were under a lot of criticism for and, uh, giving the majority of the tax credits. for projects that were in areas with poor schools, Um, high crime rates and so forth. And so they worked with UC Berkeley, and I think Lisa described that. to do what were called opportunity maps, which look at things like access to jobs. access to high performing schools crime and other factors. and also look at areas that don't have high poverty rates. There's a if you... If you Google TCAC opportunity maps, it will take you to the Berkeley website where there's a detailed explanation of the methodology. I think one of the factors that affected the housing methodology committee is that there is a new requirement. that, the allocations affirmatively further fair housing. And so. So that was given very high priority by the housing methodology committee. as you can see in the slide that Lisa showed, 70% of the allocations were based on. were based on the high opportunity, looking at high opportunity areas. They were also concerned with areas that Um, that were more segregated. So those factors probably led I mean, we're in, I mean, we moved here because they were good school. We moved here because there were good schools. Uh, you know, low crime rates, all the things people want in a community. And so that probably led to having a higher RHNA. But the, I listened to a number, I read a number of the RHNA staff report of the housing methodology committee staff reports and listened to a number of the meetings. And They look, The group looked at an infinite number of methodologies, but to some extent, it's a little, you know, there's a bit of a black box aspect to it, too, about how the numbers all work out. |
| 02:17:21.76 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Is that all right? Yeah, so I actually had a similar question. I asked this to Lily this afternoon is in terms of a letter that we're being asked to write. There were two theories articulated in our staff report. One is that we use the household growth rate and not the future growth rate. I think I understand that and it was pretty well articulated in the Contra Costa County letter and I think one of the when you look at how that and the way the council's impact on allocation works out, it really, as Council Member Cox pointed out earlier, It would push additional units towards the South Bay, Silicon Valley, And pretty much everyone else would either stay the same or go down. And I think, So I'm pretty comfortable with that. that rationale, but what I'm not, I don't understand and Ray just asked about it and I still don't understand it. is the second recommendation that we were being asked to make. is reduce the 40% allocation factor to high resource areas for moderate and market rate units. And I think the rationale there is that high resource areas which are generally you know, have good schools, et cetera. why would we have more moderate and market rate units there? But, you know, I'm not entirely clear or sure that I really um, by that argument and I'm also not sure I understand it. So Lily, have you been able to find out anything more about the second theory and what it really means for us to ask that this change. |
| 02:19:07.10 | Lily Whelan | I didn't have an opportunity today to look into that. I'm wondering if Lisa did after our conversation today, or maybe Barbara has some information on that that she can share with the council. |
| 02:19:20.68 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So I didn't see any other jurisdiction that was asking for this, at least of the letters that were originally in our packet. And I'm very uncomfortable advancing |
| 02:19:20.75 | Lily Whelan | I don't know. |
| 02:19:29.44 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | a theory that I don't, A, I don't understand and B, no one else is advancing. |
| 02:19:35.74 | Lisa Wise | So I can talk about that a little bit. I think it's maybe a tiny bit. related to the black box that Barbara Katz spoke to. But when you think of the moderate and above moderate income households. I mean, moderate is just 80 to 120% of area median income. So it's not just all the really high-end households. there is a component of the allocation that goes to that. So there's four levels. And moderate is one of those levels. So I think that's part of what they're thinking when they're thinking, of the you know the allocation to high opportunities areas for that moderate and above moderate category And there were other scenarios where that access to high opportunity areas was higher. Not a lot higher, went up to 50% in some of the scenarios. And this is actually the lowest one. when they broke it down. And it does have, it does, it is less than the job proximity via auto, which is you can drive to your job within 30 minutes. So it's lower than that threshold. And if you reduce the access to high opportunity areas, you take it from 40 to whatever I mean it's not really clear when you recalculate all the numbers what the city would get You know, we'd have to think about that, but then something else would have to go up. you know? Right now we have job proximity. So if your access to higher areas went down to 30, then the job proximity goes up to 70. or you have to bring in another factor. and run the numbers, crunch the numbers to see sort of how that plays out. Um, So that's just a little bit of background on how the numbers are crunched. I don't know if Barbara has any more insight on how they landed on the 40%. Exactly. but |
| 02:21:32.04 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Oof. |
| 02:21:32.39 | Lisa Wise | Thank you. |
| 02:21:32.42 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So that's, I think that's fine to answer my question, which is we don't actually even understand if we did get an |
| 02:21:38.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:38.35 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | reduction in that allocation, whether that would increase or decrease our numbers because something else is going to have to go up. So anyway, just for the public and for the council, I would recommend that we not advance that theory in our letter and just if we are going to write a letter that we only incorporate the first issue. And, um, But anyway, that's kind of the direction I'm leaning. Um, Yes. |
| 02:22:10.29 | Lily Whelan | I just took another look at the letters. It looks like Corte Madera and Fairfax had included that same language in there. their letters but none of the other jurisdictions. with regarding the 40%. |
| 02:22:24.45 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. So it was, and where did we get that from? |
| 02:22:30.49 | Lily Whelan | We originally got it from the San Anselmo template, but it looks like they removed that. in their final draft that went to their council tonight. |
| 02:22:44.67 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. All right, well, we have spent quite a long time on this item. I know people have a lot of additional questions, but I'm gonna recommend that we move on to public comment if that's okay with everyone. Thank you. |
| 02:22:56.16 | Jill Hoffman | I have one easy question. This is this is just really simple. |
| 02:22:56.19 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Everyone. |
| 02:23:00.06 | Jill Hoffman | Um, In attachment seven, the map of vacant underutilized sites in Sausalito, I understand this was a draft, But going forward, How is the public going to be involved in understanding the sites that are located on that and then you know, making proposals for additional sites or alternate sites. Is that something that's going to be part of public comment going forward? It's attachment seven to the report. |
| 02:23:27.61 | Lily Whelan | Yeah, definitely Councilmember Hoffman. That will be a part of the housing update process I can't remember how many meetings we had during the last housing element update process, but there were We had a large number of meetings and a lot of community input on those sites. tours of the sites and, um, and all sorts of input. So definitely will occur again. Okay, thanks. |
| 02:23:55.24 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so we are going to open this up for a public comment. Again, this is just a preliminary discussion to kind of get this discussion of housing underway. We only have a few action items tonight and We will have three minutes per person. Eva, welcome back. |
| 02:24:24.55 | Eva Krasanti | I have a croissant. Yeah, I, there's, It's stunning listening to this conversation. I'm watching an all-wait city council all of whom are homeowners, discuss the quandary they're in because Some other organization is demanding that they they do something they don't want to do and they don't understand it. Joan Cox repeatedly stated that she was shocked, shocked by this entire situation. She thinks that Marin has a target on its back. Let me suggest as someone who grew up in the county whose great-grandfather first came through Angel Island before the 1906 quake. That target, if there is one, is one that you guys drew right on your own back and you did it with Wildeband. With the fact that you have your consultants on this project, on this issue, Lisa Wise, a consulting firm which out of, I don't know, 20 employees that they list, has not a single African American, not a single Latino, has I think two Asians on its staff. And you have Barbara also a Marin resident. I mean, the insularity of your approach to this is stunning. I sat behind Joan Cox at an a bag meeting and, um, you know, it was very noticeable that, uh, that the other members of the meeting, all the other municipalities and county representatives, they were all younger and they were more diverse. So when Barbara explains to you that segregation is a played a role in how you're perceived, she's telling you something and you're not hearing Joe Burns is probably the only person who understood that Mark Levine's winning you that exemption was going to come back and hit you on the head on the way out. That exemption was widely covered across housing circles all up and down the state. It was covered in the Los Angeles Times. I think Liam Dillon wrote it up in the Los Angeles Times. And I will add, Liam Dillon, did a podcast for a while on housing issues and all of these housing bills. It was terrific. And one of their guests was the infamous Susan Kirsch of Southern Marin, who, like the total lack of understanding of how Marin is perceived, like the city councils, people like Susan Kirsch, people like Joan Cox, they go. out and they say these things and they do not understand how racist they sound. And they cannot, you know, and people are just cracking up. I mean, you know, housing activists in Los Angeles, all the way up north to the Bay Area. it's, this county is a joke. So, you know, I hope that clears up some of your confusion about this, but Thank you. |
| 02:27:28.07 | Heidi Scoble | Your three-minute time limit has expired. |
| 02:27:28.17 | Eva Krasanti | for three months. |
| 02:27:31.63 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | PB Sarah Silver, All right, thank you next we have a phone number ending in 1735 welcome. |
| 02:27:45.30 | Sonia Hammonds | Hi, everyone. My name is Sonia Hammonds. I was born and raised here in Sausalito. And I'm so excited that we're having this discussion. about, um, long-term planning for housing in Sausalito I... want to have more affordable housing in Fossilito. So, outside of the marine ships, but that's Not the topic for tonight. Um... So while we have this opportunity to have this discussion and think in an innovative way, I'd like to invite and encourage the council to look at housing land trusts as a model to consider for long-term affordable housing. This is a model that separates the idea of the issue of housing from the issue of real estate development or dare I say, and the Land trust housing, it's an opportunity to keep housing affordable in the long term and that... you know, it makes it clear that what we're talking about or what we're intending to do is to expand workforce affordable and affordable senior housing here in Sausalito. There's growing implementation. of land trust housing model approaches around the country There are great examples happening in the Bay Area, in Oakland, in West Marin, in Sonoma County. And, um, you know, I've certainly observed some differing views around housing and previous city council meetings and, um, I'd suggest that looking at housing land trusts could meet a lot of the goals that we're talking about goals that the community has talked about in various general plan commenting periods and mitigate some of the development concerns that residents have expressed. So I'd be happy to discuss more details about the model with any city council members or staff. I'm not personally affiliated with any business or organization involved in this. care deeply about our town and our community and believe that the land trust model for housing is an exciting one. Um, that I'd love to see in our town. Thank you. |
| 02:29:45.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:29:45.83 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you very much. All right, David Sudow, welcome. |
| 02:29:52.70 | David Sudow | Good evening. you can, |
| 02:29:56.40 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Hi. Now I can hear you again. |
| 02:29:56.51 | David Sudow | Hi. Okay, great. Uh, Yeah, a couple of comments. I would say the question about moderate housing, I would say, teachers, firefighters, police officers would all qualify under that moderate housing element. Um, Also, when we talk about, I think the resource quantification is really about equity. and about placing low-income people in places where they can thrive. I'm not sure. And, TO, TO, TO TO, TO, TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO And I'm glad that Tom brought up the numbers earlier. because I think that's really important. If we want to make a a measurable change in So, in the equity in our community, we have to realize the numbers of housing we have to make. I'm not sure. I think that's a great thing. I think Ava is pretty spot on. We sound very deaf when we talk about equity and inclusion, and then say we don't want housing built. that will make a difference in changing that. equity and inclusion. I'm not sure. and I just, maybe it's not always meant to be that way. But we need to be really careful that we don't sound like Donald Trump tweeting about how Joe Biden's going to bring low-income housing into the suburbs. I mean, I think that's super important. in our future conversations. THE END OF And you know, to the point that other people have made tonight, we have things like sustainability and equity that we say are important to us, but then we don't show any action in it. We show how can we avoid action in those things. And sometimes we need to look at our actions, whether rather than what we're saying when we're developing policy. And I think if city leaders want to mitigate housing impacts, we should look at encouraging housing growth in areas that we want them to happen instead of leaving it up to other people to figure out where to put that housing. Thank you. |
| 02:32:13.59 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you, David. Peter Van Meter, welcome. |
| 02:32:22.97 | Peter Van Meter | Hi. I guess my video didn't come on. That's right. Here we go. |
| 02:32:27.21 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | It came on and then it came off. |
| 02:32:29.15 | Peter Van Meter | Okay, good. Thank you. Not that you need it. Anyway, on this black box process, I'm just guessing that at least for the whole county, |
| 02:32:29.18 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. |
| 02:32:37.43 | Peter Van Meter | They probably look and saw we got 80% open space. You know, lots of land where you could build stuff. I'm just guessing that might have been a factor. But am I right that maybe next year we're going to see the elimination of single family zoning in the state, including Sausalito? Did I hear that four units on any property you want to tear down and build a four unit building on any site in Sausalito can happen next year? I'd like some clarification if that's where we're going. And also, um, The fact, I think I heard something about if you're a half mile from our ferry terminal, which covers like most of our town, you can build three additional stories with unlimited number of units. Did I hear that correctly? Thank you. |
| 02:33:28.01 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Melissa Blaustein, welcome. |
| 02:33:45.86 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, I think you're unmuted now. |
| 02:33:47.40 | Melissa Blaustein | Fantastic. Yeah, I wanted to touch on specifically, I mean, this is a huge topic and I'm really glad to see it on the agenda. Whether there's 740 units or 200 units, it's gonna be a really difficult conversation for us. And I was happy to see an update on the Blue Ribbon Committee and the work that the Blue Ribbon Committee did. I was really happy to serve alongside the Council Member Cox and Mayor Cleveland Knowles. And there are several recommendations within that Blue Ribbon Committee report that I think should be looked at immediately. And I know the housing element is not coming up until we'll probably start officially in 2021, but it seems like from the conversation this evening and the robust interest from the community on the issue of housing that we should get started sooner rather than later, perhaps by forming a preliminary task force for the housing element or something to start the conversation. immediately around what we're going to do about our housing requirements and meeting our fair share. In particular, in the Blue Ribbon Report, most of what the staff says is this will be considered when we look forward to the housing element. But I think we should start those discussions right now. The inclusionary ordinance, which we got to at 15%, probably needs to be at about 30. The impact assessment fee and in lieu fee really needs to be looked at and probably will require a nexus study, but there's also a number of suggestions for increasing opportunities for affordable sites. So I just would really flag the Blue Ribbon Committee report as a starting point to look at as we have these conversations around housing and encourage us to start sooner rather than later, get ahead of and start really a really deep, robust community conversation around this topic, because it is going to take a lot of discussion and a lot of engagement to meet our required goals and to also allow the folks who serve our community to live in our community as well. It's so critical. So thank you very much for your time. |
| 02:35:17.87 | Matt Stolling | around. |
| 02:35:32.93 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Ting Lee, welcome back. |
| 02:35:38.37 | Ting Lee | Thank you. I just want to echo some of the things that have been said earlier, which is that there's a strong link between housing and social justice and equity part of the letter that was or is being prepared on. racial diversity and social justice. The Sustainability Commission proposed to include housing as a key element within that letter and that was not taken into consideration by the planning committee so i just want to make sure that that is heard that there cannot be sustainable development while there's social injustice and those two things are very much interlinked and intertwined and need to be addressed Thank you. |
| 02:36:24.79 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Carlo Berg, welcome. |
| 02:36:35.80 | Carlito Berg | Hello, everybody. Carlo Berg here, Marina Office Plaza. in their 20 years of the family down in the Marin ship. firstly thanks Tom for So, serving all the time you did. It was wonderful engaging with you and thank you for your service, Jill. I very much appreciate you coming back and looking forward to Seeing all the new faces on city council. Um, Housing is a subject that's very important to me personally. I come from a family of immigrants, and when my dad came to America, Um, He didn't have a house, but he slept in the trunk of a 1928 Model A Ford. And over time, you know, He kind of made it in America. AND I'VE He dedicated his life to providing housing. I'm not sure. And that's also what I've happen to dedicate my life to, although from different paths. I don't know. I've helped. Yeah. do a couple hundred units of affordable housing and a couple thousand market rate units, project engineer, through construction and as a builder. It's been one of the best times of my life. And recently we just finished a project in Inglewood, California. And I had an older Panamanian woman who was from the same out of town that my great grandfather was from. and I think that's a great And, um, and it was one of the best things ever that, she could live in the continue to live in the place where she was at. I don't know. The area median income over there is 42,000. Area median income in Sausalito is over 130. So, I think when we talk about affordable housing, a lot of times people think of like 1980s New York burnt out, bombed out buildings, Section 8 type of thing. But I think really what we're talking about, to David Sudo's point, is housing for teachers, firefighters, and other folks. I'm not sure. I very much understand people's reticence to look at quote unquote affordable housing and to bring all the I'm not sure. to protect, frankly, everyone's investment in the community. So, that's the percept that's sometimes the perception. Yeah. At the same time, affordable housing through the low income housing tax credit program is responsible for 86% of the affordable housing. in the country has a 0.3 percent default rate And is high quality housing that is maintained in essentially perpetuity. And especially in the state of California, it's impossible or almost impossible to syndicate it and turn it back into market rate housing. All I just want to say is, you know, through my letter, hopefully which y'all read, I'm here to be a resource and whatever I can do, whether it's analyzing sites, which I've done a little bit in that letter, done some construction takeoffs and looked at the actual price per unit or otherwise. I'm here to help. and look forward to doing my most to do that. Thanks everybody. Appreciate it. |
| 02:39:37.84 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you, Carlo. Lauren de Rimmer and then Michael Rex. And if there's anyone else who would like to speak on this topic, please raise your hand. Lauren, welcome. |
| 02:39:52.64 | Lauren de Rimmer | Hi, can you guys see me? |
| 02:39:54.87 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, yes, we end here. |
| 02:39:56.32 | Lauren de Rimmer | Sorry, Scott, back from work. I just wanted to chime in on this and I'm really glad that I just happened to call in. I was talking about this topic just with a lot of other people. that grew up in my neighborhood on Glen Drive here in Sausalito. And I think when we talk about housing, obviously there's a lot of details that go around about whether it's senior housing or affordable housing. And I think there's a lot of parts of town that we can re-envision But I wanna echo kind of what Jill Hoffman said earlier I do think that we're going to see a lot of people leaving the Bay Area, especially since a lot of folks are starting to work from home. Um, myself included. I just started, I'm going to start a new job remotely next week. I think there's a lot of people around the Bay that are gonna be doing that. And so I think we need to kind of think strategically about kind of our housing allocations. And I think the biggest point that I want to make tonight that I've talked to a lot of people, including you know, senior Republicans that live on the Hill that I know very well that have said to me straight up fact of like, you know, why are we spending so much money on consultants? I would rather spend money on suing the state to not have to meet these requirements. And I think that's a really good point of like, We shouldn't be creating and finding money to build new housing just for the sake of an annual allocation. I think if we build housing, it needs to be I think there needs to be community support for a reason to be doing it and not just for the sake of doing it. Um, Anyway, that's all I just really wanted to say in regards to the new housing. |
| 02:41:42.63 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you, Lauren. Michael Rex? And if anybody else would like to speak, please raise your hand. Welcome, Michael. |
| 02:41:49.75 | Michael Rex | Hi. Yes. I have always been a housing advocate, and this is a housing topic, so here I am. |
| 02:41:58.17 | Matt Stolling | Yeah. |
| 02:41:58.95 | Michael Rex | I sent you some late mail with housing ideas. It's in your packet actually under the general plan which I also would like to speak on that topic. But it's hard to talk about a 600 page document in three minutes, okay? So I'm gonna talk about housing here. the I'm a housing advocate because We all know we have a housing crisis here. The state's trying to do something about it, but we have to do our part. And We don't have enough housing for our workers. We end up with more traffic and greenhouse gas because of longer commutes We end up with a fragmented community and not socially equitable. You know all these things. I But the benefits are so vast. We have the opportunity in our commercial zones to consider mixed use which has vitality and security and a 24-7 activity. Um, I was shocked when I saw the Cosmot report on economics that you hired the consultant for. He delivered a package to you, a 126-page report on September 28th. And, I don't believe in numbers, but it blew me away that we have over 5,000 imported workers a day in Sausalito and yet only A little over 300 of them actually live in town. That's kind of scary. that We become more auto-dependent. What we need if we can live close to work, more pedestrian and environmental When we combine live and working, it's more affordable for the people who earn less like marine workers and artists. and When we have a mix of housing values, we have a mix of people. And with a mix of people, We have a broader and more open idea that stimulates education and growth. and tolerance, even art. So, We shouldn't just be scared of the RENA numbers. or feel combative, we should figure out how to create more housing in town. I'm going to conclude that if we're going to, I'm proud of this council for saying we're not going to preclude housing in the marinship. Frankly, if you're not going to consider housing in the marinship, I don't think you're serious about creating affordable housing for meeting numbers. And we're going to talk about that a little later tonight. when we are talking about a general plan. Thank you. |
| 02:44:46.50 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:44:46.62 | Unknown | Thank you, Michael. Craig Merrilies, welcome. |
| 02:45:09.15 | Unknown | Craig. |
| 02:45:09.52 | Craig Merrilies | Madam Mayor? Madam Mayor, are we here? |
| 02:45:10.60 | Unknown | I know. |
| 02:45:12.32 | Craig Merrilies | Yeah, great. Thank you so much. |
| 02:45:12.34 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:45:15.29 | Craig Merrilies | Yeah, I was going to hold back, but I just wanted to add two cents here for Michael Rex's final comment, and that is that we somehow have to be compelled to overlook otherwise serious problems with marineship in order to, uh, make the, make the statement a day did numbers. And I just wanna point out that these numbers are a long way from being real. They're highly flexible. They're going to be subject to a lot of political work that I hope that council and other representatives will engage in to make sure There's greater emphasis on low income housing, less I would like to add you know, expensive housing. Um, But, uh, this notion that this somehow compels us allow developers into build housing in the maroon ship, seems far-fetched to me and I think that the council members several of them Joan Cox and others have done a good job of identifying sites and look forward to seeing where those numbers pencil out and what's possible whatever we do is going to require a lot of subsidy And a lot of it's gonna depend on the next administration in Washington DC and whether there's federal dollars for that. If there aren't, we're gonna be very limited in what we can do for housing. that. But hopefully things will be different and we'll know more on November 3rd. So We're a long way, I think, from making declarations and pronouncements that marinship is somehow a target when it's a highly problematic site. Thank you very much. in regards to all there, including Council Member Hoffman |
| 02:47:02.74 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Alice, Merrill, welcome. |
| 02:47:08.07 | Alice Merrill | All right. I just had to say I ditto Craig 100%. Thank you, Craig, for saying that. That's all. Thank you. |
| 02:47:17.85 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you and thank you, John DeRay. Okay, if other folks wanna speak, please raise your hand. Zoom app. Thank you. All right, John, welcome. |
| 02:47:27.96 | John DeRay | Hello, thank you, Mayor, and welcome back, Jill. Um, So I wanna make a comment kind of following Craig's comment. If we're going to. if we're going to be required to bring whatever it is 200 new units or 740 new units into this town, you know, we're talking about a lot of residents. And, you know, there's no real additional funding for services, schools, infrastructure. why would we even consider putting housing in the Marin chip, which is the economic engine of Sausalito? The financial numbers came out recently and showed us that it's the number one producer of tax revenue and jobs. Rather than erode this tax base, why don't we instead grow it? And then rather than force out our latest industrial entrepreneurs, who entrepreneur who was about to create 15 to 20 new jobs. Why don't we develop more industrial properties in the marine ship? If we don't do this, we are going to be creating a greenhouse gas transportation nightmare related to these new folks. So we need to create jobs down there. There's also an environmental justice component here. We have a choice. um, the most vulnerable people in our community. Do we want to segregate them to the most dangerous area with the most risks, or do we want to integrate them into our community? I think we wanna integrate them into our community, not put them in a marinship with all the hazards there. So that's it. Thank you very much, and thank you for your hard work. |
| 02:49:06.92 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. I am not seeing any additional public comment. Heidi, could you just confirm that we have |
| 02:49:15.39 | Heidi Scoble | Mayor Cleveland Knowles, we don't have any additional hands raised. |
| 02:49:15.44 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Mayor Clifton. |
| 02:49:19.35 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 02:49:20.32 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | PB, Sarah Silver, Okay, and before I open the floor to other Council Member comments, I just wanted to start off by saying I really appreciated. the community's input on these issues and appreciated the report, very thorough reports that we got from the Lisa Wise from Barb Cauts and from Lilly. So thank you all for their hard work. I think in addition to the state housing laws and the state housing mandates, I also, which is what do we have to do? by the state, I also want us to keep front of mind, you know, what is the right thing to do for our community. And just going back to kind of our opening remarks from interim council member, Riley, You know, we need to provide opportunities for our seniors, for our workforce, and for the social justice reasons that were mentioned by many for a diverse group of people. to really make home in Sausalito. And so not only do we need to be thinking about our goals and the numbers, we need to be thinking about what our vision is for the future of our town. And so I'd like us to be proactive instead of just reactive in these discussions and make sure that we talk about having workforce housing near the jobs that we have, because that reduces congestion, reduces greenhouse gas emissions, providing more opportunities for lower and moderate and middle income. Jennifer L. families and individuals to move to Sausalito to increase our inclusion and racial equity, we are an incredibly. White Town, as we've talked about a lot in the last couple of months, 92%. We have a huge number of seniors and a growing number of seniors and really need to make sure that we can keep as many of them in town who want to stay here as possible. So I just wanted to kind of broaden the framework of the discussion from kind of, there's definitely a technocratic side of it and we are going to have to keep our eye on that ball. But also I think this is an opportunity for us to really talk about our future. I'm also was really excited to see the update on the mayor's blue ribbon committee report and the good work that is moving forward on that. I think some of the, especially some of the streamlining objectives that we added there, the goals to make our decision making more objective and less subjective. are all going to be really important. As in addition to the creative ideas, some of which were generated by some of the speakers tonight, including Michael, Rex and Melissa about creative ways to look at housing in our future. So I definitely want to come back to the letter that we're being asked to write tonight, but I'll let other council members give their overall thoughts and then we can come back to our specific tasks. Does anyone want to dive in? |
| 02:52:31.14 | Joe Burns | life. |
| 02:52:32.62 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great. |
| 02:52:33.81 | Joe Burns | And I'm going to support the letter because I think, um, Thank you. we bring up in really good points in the work done before the meeting on the growth factor. Again, I don't have it in front of me, but so, but in the kind of the bigger picture that you're referring to mayor in the discussion, where 700 is way too many half of that is something that I think our community really has to start to look at as far as a responsibility and for the items you just brought up. I also want to bring up the blue ribbon task force update. And I think it's number two on that list that I think is very key in removing barriers to production of housing. The number one barrier to protection of housing, and I'm looking at the date, I've been in this conversation now for 20 years. 20 years ago, I moved into Truckee during this conversation that that town was having at this time. And The number one barrier to housing is NIMBY. It's just... plain and simple. It's a community saying, yeah, we're going to get rid of all the barriers, but we're going to bring up a whole bunch of new barriers because we have to do no more new housing anywhere. It's a great idea until you identify a site and then nobody wants it. And we see this type of argument consistently in our comments to this council, that we can't consider housing because of the soil or because of the water or because of the forest. fire because of the streets. That's not removing barriers. That's constantly putting barriers in the way of housing. We have said, some of us that we support taking vacant office and changing it into housing. I don't know what could be less barrier, more simple approach than taking vacant office and turn it into housing. Yet that has been the number one issue in our town for many years now in saying that that's not the way to go. And again, we just heard it tonight. And we'll continue to hear it. And we will hear the next item. And I hope we'll remember. When we hear the next item and people say, Don't do anything in this certain little area right here. That's a NIMBY. excused and it's a barrier. We have to look at what is producing and what is the right thing to do and taking vacant office and turn it into housing is absolutely what we should be looking at. We should also be looking at going above industrial and warehousing and some of those spaces with live work. And I think Michael Rex brings up a lot of good other options. But we have to get past the no first. And this community has had that no put in front of it for so long that it's a tough sale to get past, I'll admit. But this is the time. This is the time socially. This is the time with housing. This is the time with our current economies. There's a lot of reasons now that we can finally put these barriers behind us and produce some meaningful quality affordable senior live work housing. that does not impact, and I'm going to say this again, and I hope we all nod our heads when we hear it, does not reduce current industrial or waterfront uses in the Marin ships. If anybody says that we're proposing housing, that's gonna take away industrial businesses or waterfront businesses, they aren't listening to what we're saying because no one has ever said that. We want to take away the vacant office spaces, the high vacancy factor. We want to support the industrial and the waterfront businesses by providing them better access to better housing, less travel, better greenhouse gas emissions and get rid of the planning documents from the 80s and still planning documents from the 2000s that allow us to do that and get past these barriers this is one step again i support the letter bringing it getting us down to a reasonable number and then going forth and stopping this conversation of barriers that continue to lie in front of us and doing what we need to do and i think we'll have more conversation on this on the next item so thank you |
| 02:56:38.05 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Can I just ask Ray and Joan to put on your microphones and just speak? Thank you. |
| 02:56:43.59 | Joan Cox | Yeah, I've been raising my hand. |
| 02:56:45.23 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I know I'm really sorry I couldn't see you. Ray, can you just do the same? Thank you. Okay, now I can see everybody on one screen. All right, Joan, did you want to go next? |
| 02:56:55.03 | Joan Cox | Thank you. I'm going to express my views. I'm also going to respond to some of the public comments. I first want to thank our consultants for their clear and concise reports and guidance to us this evening. It's not easy to distill these really complex issues into understandable factoids. And I wanna thank all of the members of the public who attended and are as concerned as we are with one of our top priorities here in Sausalito. I didn't grow up in Sausalito, but I have lived here nearly 35 years, most of my adult life. I am not worried about creating affordable housing. I am a huge advocate of affordable housing as I have been demonstrating since 2008, including housing for seniors and housing for workers. As a member of the housing committee in 2008, I created with former council member, Linda Pfeiffer, lots of affordable housing strategies never before utilized in Sausalito, including recognizing the residential status of liveaboards who were previously considered to be transients and removing the ban on ADUs that then existed. As mayor in 2018 I created the blue ribbon task force which created ideas to remove barriers to the production of housing and I thank. candidate Melissa blouse Dean, as well as our mayor for working with me and architect Michael Rex we're working with me on those important concepts. I have no challenge, no issue with creating affordable housing. I've been working with city staff for months to identify potential sites for affordable housing and other strategies for creating affordable housing. You saw that report in your packet this evening. I'm actively working with Senator Mike McGuire and HCD to identify grant funding to assist in the development of that affordable housing. What I object to is creating 300 units of above moderate housing on top of our affordable housing. I hope that those And the reason I'm concerned about the 740 number now in front of us is I'm worried about protecting the safety of existing residents. We cannot now adequately evacuate our existing residents in the event of a fire, a flood or other disaster. I believe our wildland status should factor into our arena number nearly all of Sausalito is classified as being within an area prone to wildfires I shudder to think what will happen if indeed we increase our 7 000 residents by at least 10 percent I'm concerned about parking that will clog our already impassable streets and prevent public safety workers from reaching our residents in need. I'm concerned about our ability to provide much needed infrastructure, schools and other services for those additional residents. Anyone who knows me or has worked with me, I doubt would call me a racist. I invite anyone who has that opinion to talk to my dear friend Damien Morgan and other members of the Marine City Community Services District about me. to better understand who I am and what my priorities are. In terms of the items in front of me, of us tonight, I believe we should form a housing element task force now and get started working on this important task. I'm fine with modifying the letter as suggested by the mayor. to focus on the stronger argument. I believe we should continue to consider the creative options for water-based and land-based housing in Sausalito. And I believe we should approve the resolution seeking Project Home Key funding for affordable housing in Sausalito. Thank you. |
| 03:00:51.35 | Unknown | Great, thank you. |
| 03:00:51.97 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 03:00:52.41 | Unknown | Jill, do you want to weigh in? |
| 03:00:56.34 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:00:56.36 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, sure. Thank you. Sure. Well, I just, to add to some of the comments that Joan made, my concern when I was looking at the chart is that the disproportionate burden on Sausalito compared to other municipalities in Marin County based on our size. So, You know, if you look at our size compared to you know, the other municipalities that have the same comparable numbers that we have. you know, we're half the size. And so then where do all those people go? And are we really concerned about, the above market and moderate are we really concerned about finding a the very low income and low income which is what my concern is and I agree with Joan that we have our own unique ways that we in our community that fit with our community that we have address this in the past that have been unique to us but also celebrate uniqueness that is Sausalito. I believe that is the path to go down that serves our community the best way. I agree with them. I support the letter. as modified the language is good. I'm glad, very glad that we had this conversation tonight so early in the process. and that we're engaged early and substantively in getting this right as we move forward. |
| 03:02:08.42 | KC | Thank you. |
| 03:02:15.27 | Jill Hoffman | those are my comments and thanks for everybody's input. I know that's a lot of |
| 03:02:21.61 | Unknown | Great, thank you. Vice Mayor? |
| 03:02:27.74 | Ray Withy | Um, OK, well, it's 10 o'clock. Uh, 10 p.m. And I'm trying to figure out, am I going to, like, For the benefit of everybody, just say, I've got nothing to say. Um, and move on to the next agenda topic and say it then. Uh, This is going to be bugging Sol Solito for decades. It has been in the past. And it's going to be in the future. My first involvement politically before I became a council member, with Sol Solito was to join the House and Element Task Force. I did that on exactly the same day that our current mayor, Susan Cleveland Knowles, who also wasn't on the city council at the time. we join. And we joined Planning Commissioner Joan Cox, who was a member of that House and Allomans task force. Just to remind you, We weren't just updating the element. The city of Sorcerito had failed to actually produce a housing element in the third cycle, We were working on the fourth cycle and had to combine the third and the fourth cycle with a penalty. in order to actually overcome it. Social Edo was so Geralt. in its duty, that it couldn't even pass its third cycle housing element, for God's sake. Now, fast forward, we then did the first, third and fourth together. I then found myself on city council and within a short number of months, we're working with the same group of people. to do. The fourth element. the fifth element, sorry, which then we're currently in. So I feel like I've been doing housing elements for the whole eight years I've been on the city council. Right? And have we actually got anywhere? Well, we've got ourselves a little bit. The ADUs, the liver boards, that some of the innovative techniques that we did, thanks to our consultants we hired at the time, actually we came through. you know In terms of what the state is expecting and what our regional partners are expecting, that same process isn't going to work in the future. We're not going to, I can assure you, 700-odd is going to be reduced down. But whatever number it's going to be reduced to, is going to be too big a number that we can accommodate within the city. It's just that simple. Um, And it's even more burdened if we say with no logical reason, with no logical reason. Oh, and by the way, No housing in the Marineship, period. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Okay, I'll have a bit to talk about that on later on. Because if you're doing that, you're foreclosing your options, which are going to make it even worse. within four to five years, if we, if future councils are not brave enough to make some proper decisions Our local control of housing will be controlled by the courts. not by social leader of city council. That's our future. because housing arenas are being turned into mandates and mandates are gonna be enforced by state law. I think Barb and Lisa were great in presenting actually fail to happen this legislative session, I can guarantee you. With my work I've been doing at the League of California Cities, most of these bills in some form or another are going to pass. And there is a greater than 50% chance single-family zoning will be eliminated in the state of California next year. Period. My message, therefore, is saying to you, you have to wake up to the reality that you can't just play lip service, playing numbers games, trying to actually figure out how to wheeze aloud with state mandates. It's here. The wave's here. and the future council is going to have to face it. And no more wiggle language, weasel language of trying to get out of it. It's here. It's now. It's going to happen. You now know why I'm not running for city council. |
| 03:07:12.39 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | It's because you want to be on the next housing element task force. |
| 03:07:16.35 | Unknown | below. What a wonderful joy that would be. |
| 03:07:18.00 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | It's not a setup. walk right into that red. Wow. Okay, I was just kidding. Anyway, thank you, Ray. Thank you, everybody. Thanks for your comments. Okay, could I ask Lily to please put... The last slide of the presentation back up on the screen about what we are being asked to do tonight. |
| 03:07:47.42 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | if that's possible. I'm looking for it in my package. |
| 03:07:55.69 | Lily Whelan | Yes, working on bringing that up right now. |
| 03:07:57.90 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, great. So in terms of what I heard, and people can correct me if I'm wrong, is one of the items I know that's on our list is a consideration of a letter to the ABAG committee on methodology suggesting that the methodology be revised I think there was agreement that we should write a letter given the extremely I mean, they're really just disproportionately large number of units. So let's see, that is item bullet number two. So, and I heard at least one council member say that she was okay with taking out the second uh, which I would be much more comfortable with. I also thought the county I was only able to read the county's letter. but I thought they had some good verbiage about progress. that we are making and will continue to make. on housing goals that we might be able to add. I would suggest to the Council that We do authorize me to sign the letter minus the second argument. And with Joan, Council Member Cox and I, just reviewing a final draft before it goes out tomorrow. we have been working together as a kind of housing subcommittee. So if that's amenable to everybody I'd make that part of our Motion. Does anybody have any comments on that? |
| 03:09:36.97 | Joan Cox | Mayor, I totally agree with that recommendation. I'd like to go ahead and move that we authorize you to sign the draft letter as amended uh, pursuant to your comments regarding the draft RHNA methodology that we direct the legislative committee to review required changes to the density bonus ordinance in Sauceluto municipal code section 10.4 0.1 through EO. and that we adopt the draft home key resolution. |
| 03:10:03.80 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, do I have a second? |
| 03:10:05.29 | Jill Hoffman | Second. |
| 03:10:07.01 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Karen Hollweg, Okay, are there any further comments and Council members. I'm not seeing any. Heidi, could you please call the roll? |
| 03:10:16.34 | Heidi Scoble | Council Member Hoffman. Yes. Councilmember Burns? |
| 03:10:22.35 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:10:23.29 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Cox? Vice Mayor Withey. |
| 03:10:27.09 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 03:10:27.68 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. Mayor Cleveland Knowles. |
| 03:10:29.98 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes, and that item passes five zero. Thank you to the public and thank you to the council. COB, Jean Gatza, Okay, so I just want to do a time check here, it is 10 eight we have two additional business items. on our agenda. I was going to suggest we are going to have a special City Council meeting on the 21st to discuss City Manager, issues, it might be possible to put the presentation on the process at the beginning of that meeting. just so that it's more available to the public. But we could also proceed with it tonight. there is energy for doing that. I think our general plan item is going to take us, if I'm you know, close to midnight. |
| 03:11:20.77 | Joan Cox | Mayor, the only challenge is that we're actually taking some action on the 21st so I perhaps the city manager could include that in his report this evening so that the public is aware. |
| 03:11:33.12 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, I mean, we can hear the whole report is not it's not usually long it's just that I didn't want to bury it at the end of the evening for people that are. concerned and would like to have public comment. |
| 03:11:44.50 | Joan Cox | I agree. I think it's really, I agree. |
| 03:11:49.42 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so we'll have a brief presentation from the city manager during city manager reports, but we will let our director of human resources Bye. the excuse for the evening. Is that acceptable? Okay, so for members of the public, we're going to move the city manager discussion to an abbreviated discussion tonight on item eight And we'll have a little bit longer staff report and ability to comment on, I think it is the 21st. Is that correct? Yes. Yes, okay, the 21st in the evening. |
| 03:12:26.11 | Adam Politzer | Yes. |
| 03:12:30.55 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | All right, with that, we will move on to our next item, which is our general plan update. review of new objectives, policies, and programs, and other text changes. the general plan. |
| 03:12:47.07 | Lily Whelan | Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm just gonna kick this off here. And then echo. WE CAN. |
| 03:12:55.77 | Unknown | Thank you. |
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| 03:12:56.20 | Lily Whelan | Thank you. |
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| 03:12:56.96 | Lily Whelan | Okay, great. |
| 03:13:08.62 | Lily Whelan | So if you recall, this is the slide that we looked at on September 1st, providing a snapshot of the three and a half years that took us to September 1st with regards to the general plan update. And then this is the slide tonight. that we'll be looking at and next steps with the general plan. So if you recall on September 1st, the council reviewed new objectives, policies, and programs that were drafted after the July 7 Council of Study Session. at the Council's direction in response to tribal consultation process in addition to a restructured sustainability element, age friendly policies and social and racial justice issues. In the interest interest of keeping with the Council's commitment to transparency engaging with public and soliciting public comment during the general plan update process the City Council directed at that meeting. additional time for public review and comment on these revised policies And the council also directed that the planning commission review the new materials at a public meeting. That public meeting occurred on September 30th after all the boards and commissions were able to review the social equity and racial justice statements. On September 30th and October 7th, the Planning Commission conducted a review of the new policies and programs or text changes developed since publication of the April 6th Public Review Draft General Plan. and provided recommendations to the city council. And so tonight M group will take the council through all of the recommendations to the tax policies and programs in the general plan September 1st of 2020. We will then be recommending that the council provide direction on the general plan and authorize the final public review draft of the general plan to be published on October 20th. and then a revised draft environmental impact report to be recirculated. for a 45-day review period on October 23rd. And I will now have, I think Tom Ford with M group is going to kick off the presentation here. I just wanted to let the council know that I do have a slide here on the revised general plan schedule if we want to go back to that at any point So I will, Thank you. Let Tom take over now. |
| 03:15:35.92 | Tom Ford | Thank you, Lily. |
| 03:15:48.61 | Tom Ford | Good evening, Mayor and Council. Good to see you again. getting towards the end. about to publish the final review. biographies. Um, So tonight I just want to hit on some of the things that Lilly just discussed. Um, This slide just kind of reminds you the places where the general plan process has interacted with you as a body this year. Back in January, you had the joint sessions. Um, off-site. the joint session with the Planning Commission, and it's that meeting. that you solidified your recommendation for land uses and build out table, if you'll recall. And pretty much since then, The working group has worked to look at all of the elements and policies and programs in support of that build-out table in the land use decision. April 6th, we published the public review draft. of the general plan? And then we were, as I said, we were ongoing with general plan working group meetings, looking at element by element. And then on July 7th, we came back and met you for a study session where we, asked you for some direction on wrapping up certain issues. and we started working on what's going to be the final draft general plan. And as we were working on it, we developed some new policies and programs and we brought those to you on September 1st. If you'll recall, it was about a 34-page file that you looked through and reviewed. And you also had some comments and some suggestions for some potential new policies or programs which we can discuss tonight. September 22nd, staff brought you a modified schedule that you adopted. And then the orange text, here we are tonight. for your review. and we'd love to get your comments on I believe there's 49 items plus there was late mail for an additional five items from staff. So if we can get some direction on those, we will be back with the publishing final draft on the 20th of October in advance of two meetings, one with the Planning Commission and one with you on November 17th, where we take public comment on the EIR, which as Lily mentioned, will have been published on that. |
| 03:18:25.07 | Unknown | I'm going to go. |
| 03:18:25.78 | Tom Ford | and will be in public review process starting October 23rd. after the public review process ends and the consultant is able to respond to comments we'll have the final EIR and the final draft of the general plan available for your consideration in January. and the planning commission. for adoption. So as was pointed out in your staff report, the sources of all this material, which has been combined into one file, comes from our various sources. The new items that I mentioned that we brought to you, the 34-page items on September 1st, You as a body made some recommendations that night, which we followed up on, and you'll see those tonight M Group looked at some of the, well, all of the letters that had been submitted for the previous version of the EIR. and we tried to sort out some comments that might apply directly to the general plan. The EIR consultant is looking at all of those comments and issues separately. as they're developing the recirculated EIR. But there's a few issues that we discovered that we thought might make the general plan better, stronger, so we addressed them. As Lily mentioned, the board and commissions were asked to review the social equity statement And if they had any comments to provide them to us, A number of the boards and commissions did not, but some did and those are in their packet for tonight. And then also some of the the things you're reviewing tonight. where general plant working group direction for policies or programs and those were in your packet on September 1st, but they've since received Um, planning commission comment and further public review by the community. Um, The Planning Commission has some additional recommendations, which are in your file tonight, which they made. during their deliberations. those last two meetings with the file. And then also We looked at the written public comment that we received or that you received at your September 1st meeting. And if there was a case where someone proposed in writing a fully formed policy or program, we included that. Um, in the packet tonight. So, We've reorganized The information before had been sort of sorted out by category where it came from. Did it come from a board of commission? Did it come from studying pandemic issues? But the file you're looking at tonight organizes everything by by general plan element, starting with the introduction, and it breaks out into these numbers per element. As I said, you've got late mail that was some and that includes, I believe, three items in the land use element, one in community design, and one in health and safety. |
| 03:21:41.16 | Tom Ford | As was pointed out in that file, we generally put an asterisk. when you're looking at an issue and you have anywhere from two to four options for what it is, the original text that was in the draft general plan, Perhaps the Sustainability Commission made a recommendation the Planning Commission commented on that. You'll see all of those in your file. And we've put an asterisk where if you for whatever reason, do not give us complete direction on a specific item, we would be going with what the asterisk shows, which in all cases would be the last version of what the council saw. When there's a double asterisk, That would be our default. but it's not necessarily something you've seen it might have been one of those other categories that I mentioned. of Planning Commission recommendation, a written comment that was fully formed, program or policy by a community member. There's, I believe, 14 items where we note that If you go with a certain option, it would require us to develop additional language. And we recognize that you'd like to see the language, so in the staff report we note that we would recommend working with a subgroup or a working group of the council We've already actually started and have most of those 14 at least drafted up. And we could have that finalized, depending on what your recommendations are tonight, we could have that finalized by the end of the day tomorrow to provide to that working group. So Lily touched on this a little bit, and she has a slide she can go back to, Here we are tonight on the 13th. We're going to publish the final draft general plan seven days from now on the 20th the recirculated DEIR, should arrive in the state clearinghouse on the 23rd and also the street. and it's oscillated beyond the street. There's a Planning Commission meeting. at a city council meeting in November. the fourth for the Planning Commission, and the 17th for the Council. and those will be attended by the EIR Consultant to provide an overview of the EIR, the recirculated EIR, and take public comment. on that document. So, based on the 45 days and the time it will take or we anticipated taking the consultant and staff to incorporate comments. We anticipate publishing a final EIR and a final EIR on December 28th, and then the adoption hearings with the Planning Commission and the city council, as I mentioned, for the chair. So that's, That's my presentation. So as I said, Mayor, what we have, and my colleague Asher has all the files ready to pull up, and what we would recommend, we can go through the file that you had over the weekend to review, And I think we should go chronologically. So you have the five additional comments that came from the staff this afternoon. And I would recommend that we just stop and change files after you have them both ready. so that we can see it chronologically as we work through the general plan In one case, I believe it's HS HS1.2, I believe. there's information on both files. So that's why I would recommend doing it that way. |
| 03:25:19.94 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so Tom, thank you for the presentation. I'm just not sure I understood your last recommendation. |
| 03:25:26.63 | Tom Ford | Well we have attachment one which went out with the staff report. But we also have a supplement that we got today and I think was supplied as late mail. And those five we would have at the same time, I would just We can run it chronologically. So, In five cases, we would switch to supplement and you could see what staff is proposing. And we just continue working through the general planning chronological order. |
| 03:25:53.88 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | When you say chronological, do you mean- Introduction. |
| 03:25:55.92 | Tom Ford | Bye. |
| 03:25:55.94 | Unknown | introduction. |
| 03:25:56.93 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:25:56.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:25:57.04 | Tom Ford | Thank you. Yes, yes. |
| 03:25:57.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:25:58.15 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:25:58.32 | Unknown | And... |
| 03:25:58.40 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:25:58.71 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 03:25:58.74 | Unknown | All right. |
| 03:25:58.74 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I understood chronological is what we just got versus. I'm sorry. |
| 03:25:59.21 | Tom Ford | Yeah. |
| 03:26:02.50 | Tom Ford | I'm sorry. I mean, as you read the general plan, we're going to go through it in that order. |
| 03:26:03.25 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. |
| 03:26:08.56 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Thank you. Given that this is a long, you know, we have a 42 page, um, I think I'll open it up first to public comment. And what I would suggest if the council agrees is that we give every member of the public two minutes at this point. And then after our entire discussion, we'll open it back up for one minute of public comment in case we say or do something during that long period of looking at this 41 pages that people want to bring our attention to. Is that acceptable? I'm seeing no objections. Okay, so I'm gonna open it up before we get started. Are there any clarifying questions for Tom? I had one quick question, Tom. On your last slide, I did not see when comments on the draft EIR are due. So if you could, |
| 03:27:13.65 | Unknown | Sure, I need to share. |
| 03:27:13.73 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I need to share this. That's. after public comment, just let people know when that is. |
| 03:27:20.72 | Tom Ford | Well, they would start People can start commenting and writing. when it's published, which we anticipate being October 23rd. and the public review, I don't have the date, but it would close 45 days later. |
| 03:27:34.08 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so can you get that date so that... December 7. |
| 03:27:34.14 | Tom Ford | Okay. Yeah. |
| 03:27:37.44 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. |
| 03:27:38.89 | Tom Ford | December 7th. |
| 03:27:40.41 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Pearl Harbor Day. All right. Great. Okay, any other quick questions before we open it up to public comment? Okay, I'm going to open it up for so just to reiterate to members of the public you'll get two minutes. Now. And then at the end of our discussion, an additional minute if you want to add to anything that we have said. Welcome back to Ting Lee. |
| 03:28:13.15 | Ting Lee | Thank you very much. I will make this as quick as possible. Regarding attachment one recommendations for the final draft general plan, I would like to draw attention to pages two, 31 and 33, where I strongly encourage City Council to take sustainability recommendations seriously, especially on page two, which is the statement about social equity, diversity and racial justice. What we recommend is to really focus on those topics. While we appreciate that there is a climate justice angle in the original letter, we feel it should focus first and foremost on social equity and racial justice and climate justice can be a sidebar. And also, as mentioned earlier, housing or attainable housing needs to be a key focus as well. The overall issue we have with this letter is that it has a lot of words but is not committing to action, so we really propose to take action and say that we are going to do something about it versus just a lot of fluffy language. And also acknowledge our past and the role Sausalito has played in historic racial and social injustices because we need to also help educate others that might not be aware of our past, of what has happened just so we can you know, be on the same page and acknowledge that we haven't all had the same starting points. Then on pages 31 and 33, especially 31, I want to stress that environmental justice should not be used as a smoke screen to inhibit housing, what it should be is another criteria in determining where housing is feasible and if there are risks to address those risks with proper measures. And that does not mean not being able to build at all at a certain location. It means to understand that location and how you can build resiliency. Thank you. |
| 03:30:21.57 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Can I, sorry, could I just ask you one question, Ting? Um, Sure. Page 31. You were I understood your point, but I assume you would go back to the sustainability commission recommendation that was your. Yes, exactly. |
| 03:30:37.97 | Ting Lee | other recommendations Thank you. the don't really emphasize, they don't really capture all that we are proposing here. |
| 03:30:47.24 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:30:47.41 | Ting Lee | Okay. |
| 03:30:47.49 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. |
| 03:30:48.99 | Ting Lee | Thank you. |
| 03:30:49.02 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | on that particular one, HS 5.1. Yes. Yes. Great. All right. Thank you so much. Melissa Blasting, welcome back. |
| 03:31:04.75 | Melissa Blaustein | Hi, I just, again, really want to echo what Ting shared and just make a point about how much time we as a sustainability commission really put into this issue because we take it so seriously. We actually established a small subcommittee specifically on social justice and spent several hours outside of our original sustainability commission meeting time to be able to properly assess and review this statement. And we put a lot of thought into the recommendations particularly on page two regarding more than just words but actually having actionable items and committing to doing more in our community. So, and I absolutely echo Ting's comments on the additional piece on page 31 as well. need to be mindful about how we talk about social justice and the role of climate justice as social justice and make sure that the full conversation the full picture is considered so. Please consider the recommendations from the state sustainability Commission as you're making these changes to the general plan, we did put a lot of thought and effort into them. And we believe that they're critically important for not just the sustainability goals, but the goal for goals for our community as a whole, thanks. |
| 03:32:10.67 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Alice, Merrill, welcome back. |
| 03:32:18.48 | Alice Merrill | I want to start by the show. Well, all I have to say, |
| 03:32:18.97 | Eva Krasanti | No. |
| 03:32:19.04 | KC | Yeah. |
| 03:32:23.09 | Alice Merrill | is at this point I don't believe that we have a truly comprehensive and full engineering report of the marine ship. We really truly don't know what the toxins are, what the, what the subsidence is, et cetera, et cetera. be talking about any kind of people living there. Let's get that and let's, And let's also, I'm glad to see that you're redoing this EIR. I hope that it's more comprehensive and I hope that it's more accurate. because the first one was not. And so those are the two things that I think are Um, people are saying I hear people saying the people on the council and others that We've got to put housing down there. Go buy a wooden boat and then find out what you really need down there. I know that there are empty buildings. They're empty on purpose. They don't have to be empty. They could be used. There are lots of innovative things that could be done down there. without without putting people and housing down there. There's other places, Joan's got them identified. please stop thinking that that is your panacea. It is not a NIMBY thing for me because, well, I don't have a wooden boat. It's not a NIMBY thing for me. unique, beautiful space that we have that will be gone as soon as you open it up to housing. Thank you very much. |
| 03:34:07.04 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. Peter Van Meter. |
| 03:34:17.19 | Peter Van Meter | Hello. |
| 03:34:20.92 | Peter Van Meter | Okay, I'm looking at the attachment one, I'm going to page of 10, pardon me, pages nine and 10, namely keep your residential overlay zone, as you can see from the prior discussion, you're gonna need to consider housing in the marineship. On item 8 of page 12, keep the Van Meter Plaza language. The reference suggested by the M group to look at LU 4.4.6 does not make reference to the 5% change rule that's allowed in 1128. So that gives an improper impression. So keep the original proposed language. Looking at page 14 underwater front. Don't be afraid of redundancy of mentioning the plaza again because that redundancy exists all throughout the plan. So please include that. Also in the written comments was suggestions for wording changes. in the background of several sections in the plan. those languages a few words inserted here and there should be made they were not included in your attachment And finally, for the proposed S3.2.1 on pages 35 and 36. regarding the whole mitigation of sea level rise, you need to do an economic study, which is gonna show that none of the proposed mitigation measures will actually stop sea level rise. So you've got to do the economic study to prove that point. of the economic loss to the machine, the economic machine of Sausalito, when you're gonna let it flood, because none of those alternatives will stop sea level rides. The GPAC said no seawall. Well, Cripple... Clipper has built a seawall that looks like it really might work. yet cannot be taken off the table. must be considered. And the way you're going to find that out is the economic study I proposed. for that section, thank you. |
| 03:36:17.24 | Joan Cox | Mayor, may I ask Mr. Van Meter to clarify one of his comments? I missed it. Yes. I'm not sure. He mentioned that we should consider various language that's not in attachment one. |
| 03:36:32.97 | Peter Van Meter | Yes, because in the memo that I wrote, I talked about certain words being inserted in the background section of several elements of the plan. And your attachment one did not address the issue of words in the background sections of each element. |
| 03:36:48.44 | Councilmember Cox | Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:36:48.92 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:36:49.69 | Peter Van Meter | That is included in my memo you have in your package. Yes. |
| 03:36:52.26 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Is that related to the Plaza Peter or something else? |
| 03:36:55.79 | Peter Van Meter | to the plaza, thank you. |
| 03:36:57.15 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, great. Thank you. Okay, Carlo, welcome back. Carlo Berg. Thank you, Peter. |
| 03:37:06.94 | Carlito Berg | Hello, everyone. Very quickly, just wanted to comment on a couple of things. I think... Well, I really appreciate Alice's point and others point. The Marinship is a 225 acre area. And of course there are areas that suffer from no contamination and have good soil. Our site's part of the original 1854 shoreline. And there's about 12 acres, including parts of both adjacent sites next to ours. Um, that have no risk of liquefaction or other things. Our foundation is a mat slab. It's on bedrock. So... We also provided all the documentation to the council regarding the lack of any environmental concerns. which have been documented by our geotechnical analyst. Regarding policy LU 1.19.2, I'm not sure. looking at the potential for housing overlays My comment is just to consider language that's stronger than consider. because whether it's 740 units or 200 or anything in between, Um, If you look at my letter and my analysis of the eight sites, which is just topical at this point. Swinerton builders to do an analysis of the actual construction costs exclusive of entitlements, land acquisition, environmental and other factors. And they're about 50% higher than the city's estimations. And I'm happy to do that analysis for more sites. The only site that seems like it will actually work is the post office, but that has its own issues with the federal government, all the other sites on their face seem to be close to infeasible unless the city wants to not take, you know, very little money for the sites. They're certainly below market value from a residual land value analysis perspective. LU 1.20.5, we would support all innovative models for senior living units that are six units are great. Thank you. |
| 03:39:13.87 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Great, sorry, the 20 point, 25, Karlo. What page is that? Do you have the page number on our attachment? |
| 03:39:25.15 | Carlito Berg | I don't, I just looked up the policies. |
| 03:39:26.72 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | on page 12. |
| 03:39:28.18 | Joan Cox | Page 12 or chronological page 330. |
| 03:39:34.11 | Joan Cox | but it's page 12 of attachment one. |
| 03:39:39.49 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I'm sorry, I just missed that. And what was the... Comment? |
| 03:39:44.77 | Carlito Berg | I didn't quite get to it, but the My point was if a house in Sausalito on average is $1.4 million, and they do not have on average six bedrooms then the cost to upgrade the home and to meet regulatory requirements to operate it is substantial. It's unlikely that's a scalable solution. to meet the needs of seniors in the community. which is why I would support having innovative models for senior living. that's not going to be a good thing. Of which there are many. |
| 03:40:15.52 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, thank you. KC, welcome. |
| 03:40:25.51 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:40:25.93 | KC | Thank you. |
| 03:40:26.00 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:40:27.70 | Casey | Hi. Thanks for having us here tonight. Sorry, my phone. camera's not working, but it's good to see everybody. Um, The Cheetah brought up a good point about the marine ship. So, subsiding as well as sea level rising. um, Thank you. things stay the same right now. Sea level or the Marin ship will just go away. Housing will never be an option there, so that won't be an issue. But all the current industrial and marine tenants will be I THINK I'M GOING TO BE Just play this. I'm not sure. We have I'm going to come up with multiple solutions. We've had some pushback and we've edited a lot. Um, Just wanted to start out by saying like, property owner in the Marin ship, third generation. My main goal here tonight is to protect the Marin ship. and to continue the legacy that my grandfather started here as the Marine owner in the Marin ship. Most of the Marinership shoreline and the W zone are under the floodplain. with subsidence and sea level rise, this is unsustainable. If a property owner cannot afford to raise their property or improve infrastructure, that land will become unusable. I'm not sure. a seawall. can do this. property owners. are allowed to raise their property as that's not going to be a THE END OF THE END OF THE brought us. currently current W zoning restrictions will not allow this. The multiple economic studies paid for by the city have shown this, whether it be EPS or Cosmo. quoting Cosmonte, study. certain use restrictions considered. inflexible, not keeping pace with evolving land uses. Um, I mean, I know we've all seen Gate 5 road at high tide, it's two feet underwater. Our solution is to allow applied art as a CUP in the W zone. This would be for second floor only. which is already undesirable for marine tenants. prior stuff on being on the full service marina, that's what allows us to do so. Thank you. |
| 03:42:39.01 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Michael Rex? |
| 03:42:42.23 | Joan Cox | May I ask a question? Sorry. Casey specifically. |
| 03:42:45.18 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 03:42:45.27 | Councilmember Cox | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:42:47.04 | Joan Cox | So Casey, if you allow applied art in the W zone, would that be accompanied by the requirement to have 50-50 applied art and arts uses that now exists in the Marinship specific plan? |
| 03:43:01.53 | Casey | That would have to be in the discussion because this would be a CUP. So it's starting to Um, In our numbers, it shows applied to art only and not fine art. I believe that's what you're talking about. So it'd be fine art as a CUP. |
| 03:43:12.57 | Joan Cox | So it would be. |
| 03:43:14.82 | Casey | for second floor only and W for first floor. |
| 03:43:19.12 | Joan Cox | All right, thank you for that clarification. |
| 03:43:20.98 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:43:21.60 | Casey | Yes. |
| 03:43:23.66 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great. Michael Rex, welcome back. |
| 03:43:35.94 | Michael Rex | Thanks. I want to just take two minutes to round out a discussion on housing, and I'll wait for another minute to talk about other questions. topics. at the end. of your discussion. I want to draw attention to the message I sent you late May on March 11, 2020. I tried to present this to the working group but never had the opportunity, unfortunately. I show three tiers of type of housing that you can consider. One is to preserve existing, and if you're talking a lot about water-based housing and new types, There's an existing type that you could control better on the water with a mooring field. The second tier would be small dormitories, efficiency units, and efficiency units 150 square feet. It would work for workers. The two best would be workforce housing and co-op housing. Did you know there is housing in the marine ship already? It is a workforce housing. You have to work in the marine trades to work there. And it's a co-op that there's no speculation. We can build on that model. The other thing I want to applaud council member Joe Burns and Ray with the I would like to thank I think the scare tactic that we're going to have runaway developers building condos along our shoreline is a fear tactic that's harmful and it's nonsense. It's so fearful it says we're going to mute our minds and muzzle our voices. I listed, but what is not nonsense is housing could gentrify the waterfront. We've seen it happen in South America. There's lots of ways we can be smart and talented and learn from those mistakes. I've listed 14 ways to do that in that letter. Please refer to it. We don't have to let fear drive our future. We can let our talent and our minds figure out the right solutions. |
| 03:45:41.12 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. And the last speaker I have is Sybil Boutier. Welcome. |
| 03:45:50.59 | Sybil Boutier | Thank you, Mayor and Council members. I did send you a letter with some suggested minor changes to language having to do with some of the Um, age-friendly elements that are in attachment one. And I'll just quickly go over what some of these are. in, um, LU 1.20, it just changed one word and that's based on some of the letters I read from the public. And I changed the word so that it would change the word particularly people with mobility, sensory and other limitations to including them. Meaning that we're not So make it clear that we're not proposing any particular type of senior housing. but that we want to be inclusive of all types of senior housing. Um, And other things are very minor like LU 1.20 .1. Um, It talked about being compliant or consistent with World Health Organization. guidelines, but actually there aren't specific guidelines, but rather best practices. that. um, we can take advantage of. So I wanted to correct that. And LU 1.20.5 I had originally meant to include other models for senior living, but other models for seniors to age in community. This was not meant to just talk about one model, a medical model. There's other social models. and many other models that we could consider to meet our needs of what's now, what we know that are- 42% of our population is now age 60 and older. There's 3,030. |
| 03:48:00.46 | Heidi Scoble | Your three minute time limit has elapsed. |
| 03:48:02.97 | Sybil Boutier | Thank you. |
| 03:48:03.09 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 03:48:04.09 | Sybil Boutier | Okay. |
| 03:48:05.27 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you, Cibble. We did get your comments, so we have one here. I did have one question for you. Um, The Planning Commission on our first, on page six, had recommended to delete from the Age-Friendly Community Statement The last line, because a city that considers what is good for its elders is a city that is good for everybody. And are you okay with that deletion or is that something that's important to the age-friendly Good job. |
| 03:48:36.57 | Sybil Boutier | Well, that was included because it's a mission statement in the age friendly plan. It's part of the mission statement. But I don't think that we must include it. I think that the spirit of that mission is reflected in some of the policies and programs that you have. accepted to include in the plan. |
| 03:49:02.84 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you very much. And we do have your written correspondence. Okay. I have another speaker, Ava. Welcome back. |
| 03:49:16.45 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And if there's anyone else who would like to speak, please raise your hand. |
| 03:49:29.95 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | We cannot hear Eva. |
| 03:49:33.22 | Eva Krasanti | Thanks. Can you hear me? |
| 03:49:34.30 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 03:49:34.60 | Eva Krasanti | Yeah. |
| 03:49:34.76 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes. |
| 03:49:35.03 | Eva Krasanti | Thank you. |
| 03:49:35.14 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | here. |
| 03:49:35.21 | Eva Krasanti | I'm sorry. |
| 03:49:35.41 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 03:49:36.22 | Eva Krasanti | Thanks so much. You know, so much of this conversation that you've just had is about sea level rise. And sea level rise is taking place as a result of global warming, as we all know. I think this is a really wonderful opportunity for Sausalito City Council to take a hard I'm going to go to the Um, at its investments and the companies it's doing business with. But what I can see on the Form 700s is that some of you are invested in oil and gas and so-called energy companies that are doing very severe damage. Not just in terms of global warming, but also in terms of pollution. and also in turn pollution over streams and rivers, um, and also in terms of massive human rights violations. noticeable with Chevron. So I think this is a really important time for people on Sausalito City Council to divest and do so publicly. People will forgive you if you come out and just say, you know what, I was invested in something that was wrong. and I'm divesting now. And I'm gonna make a point going forward on city council that we will not do business with these companies. We will do everything to, you know, to make sure that we're only working with green energy and sustainable practices because there just isn't that much time left. So that's my recommendation. Thank you. |
| 03:51:12.06 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. OK, I'm not seeing any Additional public comment, John? Hey, it's really helpful if you can raise your hand a little earlier. Thanks. |
| 03:51:24.44 | John DeRay | I'm sorry, Mary. |
| 03:51:25.20 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, thank you. |
| 03:51:27.08 | John DeRay | I'm I'm not sure. What I heard two years ago was that we need to develop applied our office space in order to save maritime. But before that, I heard that there is so much vacant office space that that needs to go to housing. So it doesn't make sense. There's either demand for office space or there isn't. The other... thing is about sea level rise, sea level rise subsidence evacuation concerns are huge problems. unless it comes to a discussion about market rate housing in the emergency, then it's not a problem. And the last thing I wanted to just talk about quickly is a comment that Councilperson Burns made, which I appreciate that they will that people want to save the industrial and not affect the industrial spaces. Well, I have news. There are almost no industrial spaces left. There's not much to protect. about 60% of our industrial zone is office space. So what we need to do is convert that office space back to industrial as is the original intent of the Marineship-specific plan. It was two intents. of industrial and maritime. often converted to office. an issue that we really need to resolved. Thank you very much. |
| 03:53:07.70 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:53:08.04 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Okay. Now. I'm seeing no additional hands raised, so we will take it up to the Council and then we will have, as I said before, one minute of public comment at the end of this discussion before we finalize. our general plan for review. Okay, so I think we all have in front of us. Attachment one, I actually would I'm not sure. I was just gonna suggest, I don't know if anyone had a chance to look at the five recommendations that Lilly sent. afterward, they all seemed very they made a lot of sense and didn't seem that controversial. I would just agree to add them unless anyone wants to, or didn't have a chance to review them and wants to have them incorporated as we go through. |
| 03:54:04.76 | Joan Cox | I reviewed the mayor and I agree. |
| 03:54:07.30 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Okay. |
| 03:54:11.32 | Ray Withy | They're fine with me. Back there. |
| 03:54:12.94 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. So Tom, I think we'll just do that. We'll just accept those staff recommendations that came from Barbara Kautz's review and just cleans up some language in the general plan. |
| 03:54:28.26 | Unknown | your study. |
| 03:54:30.86 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Carolyn Gallagher, Okay um alright, so we all have attachment one. And we're Let's use the page numbers. I had to print it out separately and mine are only numbered starting with page one. So if we can use that for reference, that would be helpful. Okay, so the first thing, so I think we're gonna just walk through this and if people have no objections, we'll just move along and if we want to have a discussion, we'll have a discussion. So starting on page two, we have the social equity, diversity, and racial justice statement. preexisting one we have comments from the sustainability commission and then it sounds like the planning commission recommendation rejects that recommendation rejected that recommendation. Tom, did you want to say something? |
| 03:55:22.21 | Tom Ford | Mayor, would you like us to share it on the screen so you can see it up on the screen? |
| 03:55:26.19 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Sure. |
| 03:55:26.80 | Tom Ford | You can scroll the document. |
| 03:55:28.47 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, I'm going to have to ask every council member to speak so that I can see all five of you at the top of my screen. |
| 03:55:35.16 | Tricia Smith | Hello. |
| 03:55:37.33 | Ray Withy | Bye. |
| 03:55:39.80 | KC | . |
| 03:55:39.85 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:55:39.86 | KC | Thank you. |
| 03:55:39.95 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:55:39.97 | KC | Thank you. |
| 03:55:40.01 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:55:40.03 | KC | Thank you. |
| 03:55:40.15 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 03:55:41.84 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Bye. Uh-oh. Okay, thanks. All right. |
| 03:55:48.69 | Joan Cox | Thank you. It looks as though the, I did not attend the planning commission meeting mayor, but it looks as though the language they removed was more language of implementation as opposed to language of policy. So. |
| 03:56:06.41 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I would like to advance the sustainability commission language given the thought and time and effort that they went into with that. |
| 03:56:19.03 | Joe Burns | I think it's, you know, it's, it's a centuries, decades, years, hundreds of years old issue. We're not going to solve it in the next 20. But we definitely need to keep it fresh and we need to keep the history fresh. So I wasn't sure why the planning commission wanted to remove acknowledging how we got here, you know, it's a historic reference. And I think that was an important element. I would say that where they have put in the acronym of BIPOC, that we spell that out. I don't think it's been spelled out in the document to that point. So that we do put black indigenous peoples of color. in that paragraph. |
| 03:57:01.77 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great. OK. Yeah, I think it's just a fresh, it's a fresher, more, um, Robust statement and, um, I agree. Any other comments? Vice Mayor. |
| 03:57:20.25 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I actually decided to listen to the Planning Commission's discussion on this particular topic. Um, There were a couple of things that I'm not sure. I think Some members of the Planning Commission were not understanding or were not accepting fully understood of course, were not accepting that we should have any look back and that the policy should only be looking forward. I personally think that is totally wrong. Um, The only way to acknowledge and come to terms with the issue is to acknowledge the past. And so I think the Planning Commission just got that wrong. However, the one thing the Planning Commission, I think, did that, is exactly how is this language being used And they wanted to see And so I'm saying some of this because there's a danger some of the planning commission's commentary could have been misunderstood. Um, Unfortunately. The danger is that it could be misunderstood to say that this isn't important. But on the contrary, the Planning Commission actually stated that this, shouldn't just be Um, you know, in, and let me double check, this is in the introduction, They wanted to see it more woven systemically through the whole of the document. And I agree with that, but we're not going to be able to rewrite for general plan right now. And so I came down to the fact that this introduction, as rewritten by the Sustainability Commission, was actually very appropriate. So... That's my commentary on that. |
| 03:59:20.23 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Right, yeah, I was about to try to listen to that, but I ran out of time. But I would say that we do have some policies on race, equity, and inclusion. here and that they also did not accept some more robust language later on. So anyway, I think the introduction does need |
| 03:59:38.38 | Unknown | Right. |
| 03:59:41.83 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | this look back and recognition of past practice I think it's important and I don't agree with taking it out. |
| 03:59:53.39 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so I'm going to, if we all agree on things, we'll just move on. Um, you know, disagreement, then we might, come back to those issues or vote on them separately. But if we don't have to, I'd love to avoid that. Okay. Tom, did you, are you back? |
| 04:00:15.09 | Tom Ford | If someone could give Asher permission to share his screen, he'll bring that file up for you. |
| 04:00:22.98 | Heidi Scoble | MS. MS. MS. |
| 04:00:23.50 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I'm sure. |
| 04:00:25.61 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 04:00:25.81 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. |
| 04:00:25.90 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 04:00:25.96 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:00:26.01 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 04:00:26.06 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:00:26.20 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 04:00:26.32 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. All right, so that takes us to page six with the age friendly community. Sybil said that she had no objection to removing that last line in response to a question from me. Is there anybody who feels strongly about this? Okay. Moving on to item number three, Um, So I'm sorry, so on that, Tom, the default will be the planning commission recommendation. or whoever is taking notes. |
| 04:01:06.56 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:01:07.32 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Three is the source. This is Transit Agency of Marin. wanted us to call out the regional transportation plan and sustainable community strategy as part of Playaan Bay Area 2040. I think that's. a good comment. the Planning Commission added something about water-based transportation Thank you. The only plan on that specifically regionally that I'm aware of is WEDAS, the Water Emergency Transportation Authority plan, which doesn't actually apply. to us, but I don't know, did staff have any? Are there any regional planning documents? Other than that. We already have policies about water-based transportation in the general plan. but M group to do |
| 04:02:01.12 | Tom Ford | Yes, after the Planning Commission meeting, we went back and looked at that document and it does refer to water-based transportation. as some of the language that it provides. |
| 04:02:10.43 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | the regional transportation plan |
| 04:02:12.70 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:02:12.71 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 04:02:12.98 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:02:13.49 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so I think that will resolve that comment and we'll stick with the Marin Transit Agency's recommendation. Great. Any further comments? Okay, moving on. to page eight. We are now in our land use and growth management element. Erika Endrijonas, Esher, is there any way you can do full screen on this really hard to read, I think, for the public. There you go. Right. So another transit agency of Marin comment. |
| 04:02:51.71 | KC | Yeah. |
| 04:02:52.93 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | to use population housing and job projection in the land use and growth management element |
| 04:03:02.38 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:03:02.39 | Joan Cox | I think you're going to. I disagree with the planning commission recommendation because we will not likely have uh, the housing element updates. in time for publication of our general plan so I would recommend we stay with the M group recommendation. |
| 04:03:23.18 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I agree with that. Anyone else? Okay, so we'll stick with the. M group recommendation number one. Moving to number two. |
| 04:03:37.16 | Joe Burns | I looking at this now, I don't think he's got the word attractive, given it's a economic strengths and challenges. I, I think engaging would be something, would be a better theme than attractive. And I don't mean to wordsmith that, but attractive just kind of stood out to me this time that hadn't before as not appealing to a economic strength and challenges type of conversation. |
| 04:04:00.38 | Unknown | I agree with that. |
| 04:04:01.71 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yep, that's fine. Any other comments? |
| 04:04:09.24 | Joan Cox | but I like the council direction more than the planning commission direction. the council direction makes it clear that we're not only local visitors that we're seeking to expand to regional visitors. Yes. Agreed. Thank you. So that's the left-hand column. |
| 04:04:28.73 | Joe Burns | not only local, |
| 04:04:30.70 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:04:30.77 | Unknown | I know. |
| 04:04:30.82 | Joan Cox | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:04:30.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:04:30.92 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:04:37.47 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, great. So that's council direction for that one. |
| 04:04:44.35 | Tom Ford | Mayor, could I ask you a question here? |
| 04:04:47.02 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes. |
| 04:04:47.74 | Tom Ford | I believe this is the first issue where We actually didn't write this yet. So you'll see in column three at the bottom, there's a paragraph that if you were to establish a working group of the council. week could have that. |
| 04:05:03.61 | Joan Cox | Tom, we're giving direction to use the language in the left-hand column so that we don't have to develop new language. |
| 04:05:11.07 | Tom Ford | Oh, you just want to quote that. |
| 04:05:13.85 | Joan Cox | Yeah. |
| 04:05:14.09 | Joe Burns | Thank you. with engagement, engaging instead of attracting. |
| 04:05:17.11 | Tom Ford | Right, right, right, right. Okay, I misunderstood. Thank you. |
| 04:05:25.49 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I mean, is there, did you want to do more? I mean, if M group had wanted to develop a longer thing. I think this is the two, you would have included it here, right? in this document. |
| 04:05:38.17 | Tom Ford | Well, except that you and the Planning Commission had different ideas theme was No, I envision this, Mike. I think it's great if you guys want to have just a simple sentence because developing a theme for a downtown can be really dangerous. especially at this last minute here. theme is such a loaded word, but if that's the language you're happy with, we will put it into that paragraph. |
| 04:06:02.43 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, I think that's the direction we just agreed on. |
| 04:06:04.54 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:06:07.50 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so now we have board Board and Commission recommendation from the EDAC Karen Hollweg, Item number three. |
| 04:06:16.93 | Joan Cox | I endorse the M groups. drafting of this recommendation. |
| 04:06:24.83 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Agreed. Any disagreement? |
| 04:06:28.86 | Joe Burns | No, since it comes from EDEC, should it tie back to the how safety, impacts economics. Otherwise, you wouldn't necessarily have a safety in police training as a recommendation from an economic development group, unless you have the nexus between what safety means for economic development. |
| 04:06:54.07 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Well, I think it's the, I think the point is that it goes to our people comfortable. you know, coming to our town from all segments of the population. |
| 04:07:05.76 | Joe Burns | I think that would be a better way to say it, then, frankly, because that doesn't really then hit that point. |
| 04:07:12.25 | Joan Cox | Well, I really like point two of the M group recommendation in the right hand column where it says. develop program language to address, implement, and continuously improve policies, training, and things that convey a sense of welcome, dignity, and equitable treatment to all. |
| 04:07:28.82 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Well, so maybe it's just Joe, I think it's just taking the first sentence. |
| 04:07:32.43 | KC | Yeah. |
| 04:07:33.25 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | of the EDAC recommendation and tacking it on over to M-Group's recommendation. |
| 04:07:38.55 | KC | Okay. |
| 04:07:38.91 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:07:39.08 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | where it's coming from. Does that make sense? |
| 04:07:41.17 | Joan Cox | Yeah. And I don't think there's any need for us to further meet on this. I think the M group has the, Yep. direction it needs. |
| 04:07:49.99 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So M group do understand that. So there's a first sentence over on the left column because of its particular importance and affecting the perceived sense of actual safety and dignity of all persons that like phrase should go ahead of one and two over on your other side in some way that's grammatically correct. |
| 04:08:08.84 | Tom Ford | I think you mean just number two, correct? Because number two is going to be of policy in underneath HS 5.3 Whereas number one, was talking about some text language in the language zone. |
| 04:08:22.39 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Yeah. |
| 04:08:23.83 | Tom Ford | Correct. Thank you. We got it. |
| 04:08:27.05 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. All right. Let's go to number four. |
| 04:08:32.18 | Joe Burns | All right, here we are. |
| 04:08:33.08 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Overlays, oh yeah, this is the non-controversial one. |
| 04:08:36.55 | Joe Burns | Yeah. |
| 04:08:38.78 | Joan Cox | I think based on the, what we learned from Barb Kautz tonight about if there's any disparity between the zoning ordinance and the general plan, the general plan governs, I think it's really important to retain the language that says evaluate the feasibility of and I think it's important that we do that work as a part of the housing on. |
| 04:09:05.12 | Jill Hoffman | So if I could weigh in on this, then I know this has had months and months of history, right? But since I'm going to be one of the people that's voting on, I feel like it's appropriate right now for me to weigh in on this a little bit. kind of my perspective, and it's going to be very short. Um, I tend to fall probably more with the planning commission on this. Um, You know, they recommended against the overlay, the working group, the majority, the general plan update working group recommended by a majority against an overlay I think, the overlay is too general and the fact that it applies to all of the, all of Saucelida, not just the Marinership, as I understand it, based on my conversation with Lily and Mary today, It doesn't preclude any changes that we want to make in the Marin ship. It doesn't preclude us rezoning if we choose to in the Marin ship. And I think a lot of the ambiguity of this specificity in it is what is causing a lot of the contention from the comments that I have heard from not just tonight, but in previous city council meetings. I feel like from what I've heard from the community is that there's a path forward But it's not. the path hasn't been specific enough. There's a lot of common ground and commonality in what the comments that I'm hearing. but I think this particular that we have to do with like I said, contentiousness in our community. if it doesn't really give us anything, it doesn't really add anything to our effort, and it doesn't preclude us from doing anything. then I'm not entirely sure why it's in our general plan. But I'm open to thinking about it more. I'm interested in hearing what the public has to say about it. And I understand we're going to revisit this And these are just our comments. We're going to revisit this in November, and then of course you know, vote on it in January, hopefully. So anyway, those are my comments on that. And I haven't provided those before. That's why I provide them now. |
| 04:11:08.33 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, thank you. So it was my understanding and maybe Mary or Barb is still here, they can weigh in, but it was my understanding that one of the concerns I mean, even aside from whether or not there should be housing in the marineship, is if there was housing in the marineship, there would be a slippery slope. to expand to the entire area, which is not something that anyone on this council has ever discussed. So that the idea of an overlay zone is something that can add further containment and can work to limit Bye. housing to only areas that are deemed acceptable. So it's actually a tool of limitation as opposed to a tool of expansion and is meant to address some of this you know, slippery slope or fear or gentrification. aspect. Maybe. one of our housing. Experts, if they're still on the call, could weigh in on that. or Mary, if you could. |
| 04:12:18.37 | Mary Wagner | Sure. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Barb Kautz and Lisa Wise were given a hall pass on this item. Perhaps that was an error, but I mean, I think that you're correct. You know, an overlay zone can be utilized as a tool to control further control where particular types of development are going. Does that answer your question? |
| 04:12:43.77 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes, as opposed to expanding that. I know. |
| 04:12:47.20 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:12:48.51 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | her. |
| 04:12:48.60 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 04:12:48.72 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:12:49.42 | Joe Burns | Would this keep us from getting housing in the waterfront area that allows us to put it up |
| 04:12:55.60 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:12:55.62 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:12:55.63 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 04:12:55.67 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | An example, yeah. So that's just background, Jill. |
| 04:13:02.11 | Jill Hoffman | But it doesn't preclude it. It also doesn't, taking it out doesn't preclude anything. |
| 04:13:02.15 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So it doesn't. |
| 04:13:06.92 | Jill Hoffman | I mean, you can always do, that's the purpose of zoning, right? So, I mean, you guys have done a lot of work on this and I don't want to digress into it, but that's just the perspective, the conclusion that I come to after looking at this and hearing all the comments. |
| 04:13:22.45 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so can I just ask the city attorney, so if we do have a situation here where we are not in complete agreement, what's the appropriate way to address that? Do we note a disagreement? |
| 04:13:22.57 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 04:13:22.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:13:41.21 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | or |
| 04:13:45.64 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | you know, we're gonna vote at the end to send this out as kind of our, final draft, it's still just a draft as you noted. still. But do we, Is there any need to take any individual vote on this or do we just note that we have a majority consensus to move it forward like this, or do we need to take a vote? |
| 04:14:11.77 | Mary Wagner | I think, Madam Mayor, when you take your overall vote at the end of this on the publication of the final draft, excuse me, of the general plan update, An individual council member could say, you know, I agree with the exception of policy blank or land use program blank. I don't think you need to take a vote on every single item that you're giving direction on tonight. If you hit a particularly rocky issue, You may want it or a council member may want it just to clarify the record. But I think what we're trying to get is consensus on each individual action item that is in front of you and then overall vote at the end. Okay, thank you. |
| 04:14:54.45 | Joe Burns | I have a question that this is probably the best time to ask. I didn't get to ask it after public comment. And maybe it's just really quick with Mary on the line. Or you guys probably know. Peterson's have brought up a couple of times the expansion of applied use, applied arts CUP. Is that a discussion more for the zoning discussion than it is for this general plan discussion. Can we make that change in a zoning and change it. |
| 04:15:22.85 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I had the same question. I thought at our last council meeting on September 1 that we actually had asked for some language around Peterson's request. And I didn't see that in here either. |
| 04:15:46.24 | Mary Wagner | With the specifics on the request that you made at the last meeting, I think I would look to the M group on what that direction was. with respect to you know, modifications in the The zoning ordinance. to implement the restrictions of the general of the Marinship the Marinship specific plan. That's what we've been discussing all along, if I understood your If you're looking for an expansion of the Yeah. we'd have to analyze that language. |
| 04:16:19.75 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | as part of the general plan. |
| 04:16:22.69 | Mary Wagner | Perhaps if the question was repeated or if Lily wanted to weigh in, I'm not sure I totally understood it. |
| 04:16:29.03 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Well, so let's finish up on this housing Let's finish up on LU-1 0.19.2. So thank you, Joel, for your comments. Um, Ray or Joe, did you have any changes from your, Uh, opinion on this from prior meetings. |
| 04:16:52.07 | Ray Withy | Just for the record, I am fully supportive of this what is it, a policy or a program? I don't know, I've lost track. But the revised language of in the 2331 housing element process, evaluate the fees of it. I agree with that. But to remove that, I am not, as the Planning Commission recommended, I am not in favor of. |
| 04:17:23.39 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, thank you. That reflects my position, Joe. Okay, and then Joan, I know we had discussed the addition of that housing element language before. Is this reflective of your |
| 04:17:38.53 | Joan Cox | That is reflective of the discussion we had and I appreciate that revision, thank you. |
| 04:17:43.83 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:17:44.23 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. things. Okay, so I think we'll take a pause in going down through this to just make sure that we're answering the question that Joe asked and that I also had. at our last meeting and then again tonight there's a property owner who raised this issue of second floor In the W zone, second floor applied arts. as a possibility that generally seems like a zoning change, but I could also have general plan implications. So whoever is appropriate, if that's Lily or Tom, |
| 04:18:26.03 | Jeff Bradley | Mayor Cleveland Knowles, this is Jeff Bradley. If I may, the... On the surface of it, it sounds like a zoning question, but I think we have to be careful to also consider the general plan implications as you're as you're noting. And if you if you read the land use description of the W the waterfront land use category in the land use table in the in the beginning in the growth and development land use section. of the general plan. The first element you'll find that land uses in the waterfront element in the waterfront designation are limited to water dependent land uses. And so that type of change would appear on the surface of it to be inconsistent with the draft general plan as it's currently written. |
| 04:19:28.58 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, and then can someone remind me I, felt we had this conversation on September 1st, or I'm sorry, maybe it wasn't September 1st, but the time, August 28th maybe was our meeting. and that we, there was some, |
| 04:19:51.99 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Consensus to take a look at this. I may be misremembering that. Um, Does M Group have any you know if we did discuss that. |
| 04:20:06.23 | Tom Ford | I know I've seen the letter from Mr. Peterson before, but I don't recall you guys actually discussing it. And I think at this point, I'm not sure, maybe Jeff has an opinion, I'm not sure if we were to change the land use description, if that would, upset our our present process with the environmental review going |
| 04:20:31.78 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:20:31.88 | Unknown | you |
| 04:20:31.93 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:20:32.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:20:32.14 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Well, let's hold this. Let's hold this item. Can staff remind me to let's address this at the end and let's just get through the material that we have in front of us. I just wanted to touch on it because we are in the land use element right now. |
| 04:20:46.11 | Joan Cox | And Mayor, as a part of that discussion, may I ask, whether we can make this change later if we don't make any change to our general plan. programs and policies now? Would the city council have a path forward through a revision to the zoning ordinance to make that change down the road? |
| 04:21:09.67 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I think that's, would it be inconsistent with the general plan is one question. And secondly, what about our environmental review? These are the two things that I would worry about. |
| 04:21:21.97 | Joe Burns | Natalie. |
| 04:21:22.14 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. |
| 04:21:22.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:21:22.58 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 04:21:22.78 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:21:22.81 | Joe Burns | Peace. |
| 04:21:23.79 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | We're going to, I'm sorry, Joe, what'd you say? |
| 04:21:26.27 | Joe Burns | And adding that as a CUP, not a permitted use, but a CUP use. |
| 04:21:30.20 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, so those are questions. Let's talk about those as our last item. |
| 04:21:37.88 | Unknown | before we pose out. |
| 04:21:38.62 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | and maybe staff can think about those while we're walking through this. Okay, so we are back at item five. Age friendly. community. |
| 04:21:54.18 | Joan Cox | And Mayor Sybil Boutelier requested a change that not to language that's not in this table. It was program 1.20.1. She wanted to refer to World Health Organization best practices instead of World Health Organization requirements in that program. |
| 04:22:14.58 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, I don't have any objection to that page. Anybody else? |
| 04:22:21.37 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Um, Joe, you're off my screen. So if, um, I can only have five people on my screen. So just pipe up if you Bye. |
| 04:22:32.76 | Jill Hoffman | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 04:22:33.42 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | instead of waving, because I can't see you. Okay, and then we have another age friendly one on five. So M group, did you get that? We're making the request from Sybil that is not on your chart. |
| 04:22:49.19 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 04:22:50.07 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Any object she also had on this one number five she wanted to change particularly to including um, Thank you. |
| 04:23:04.48 | Councilmember Cox | Mind by name. |
| 04:23:07.59 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And it's fine that Planning Commission recommendation is also, I don't have any problem with that. anybody else. Okay, so we will accept the planning commission recommendation with particularly added Percival's language. Okay, item six, residential care facilities. Another age friendly recommendation. |
| 04:23:33.78 | KC | Thank you. |
| 04:23:35.72 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I think there was another addition from Sybil in this and other innovative communal models. for senior |
| 04:23:50.10 | Joe Burns | Thank you. I think part of the discussion was The safety measures for concerning infectious diseases is handled by places like CDC and the WHO and not necessarily the South Seattle General Plan. That seems a little bit out of our bailiwick, right? |
| 04:24:09.33 | Joe Burns | That's pretty Thank you. Pretty big call for us to control. |
| 04:24:16.61 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I don't think that's within our regulatory jurisdiction. And I think that was, I would go with the planning, the public comment line. Recommendation. |
| 04:24:26.85 | Unknown | I'm fine with that. Thank you. |
| 04:24:30.09 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | for the first time. |
| 04:24:30.16 | Unknown | I agree. |
| 04:24:30.40 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:24:33.72 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, welcoming community. No. Social equity statement 1.2.1. |
| 04:24:45.19 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So I think a couple of us addressed this at the beginning. to continue the, um, EDAC language about reducing impact and mitigate for past exclusionary outcomes. I think I'm supportive of that EDAC language. |
| 04:25:10.32 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Now I can't see Ray, so. |
| 04:25:15.81 | Joan Cox | Thank you. So which option is that? |
| 04:25:19.75 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:25:19.77 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 04:25:19.82 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I'm not sure. |
| 04:25:19.91 | Ray Withy | Amen. Can you see me now? |
| 04:25:22.94 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | out. So yeah, unfortunately, but go ahead and talk if you want. It's just that we only have five spots. So with CHOM, I just can't get all five of us on here. I'd |
| 04:25:33.05 | Councilmember Cox | C65 |
| 04:25:33.81 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Bye. |
| 04:25:34.01 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:25:35.57 | Ray Withy | Well, I can only see one, so. |
| 04:25:37.90 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Maybe if I got a full string. |
| 04:25:39.25 | Joan Cox | You have to go to view and go to gallery. |
| 04:25:43.45 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I think Ray has an iPad, which is problematic. Yeah, for some reason I only get five, but now I've got all five of you. So that's good for a moment until somebody else talks. Okay, so I think the recommendation |
| 04:25:46.08 | Joan Cox | Yeah. |
| 04:25:56.07 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | that I would recommend is the last column to the right. with out with including the structure language. and striking through the strike through. |
| 04:26:11.29 | Adam Politzer | Oh, I see. I'm fine with that. |
| 04:26:13.89 | Ray Withy | I agree with that. |
| 04:26:16.01 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 04:26:16.03 | Unknown | Agree. |
| 04:26:17.03 | Joe Burns | more descriptive stuff. |
| 04:26:24.30 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. All right. Downtown and Waterfront. |
| 04:26:31.19 | Joe Burns | Yeah, on this one, I listened to Peter's community plaza but I think the M group comment Thank you. Just says a little bit more and the community plaza is really restricted to a very passive only use and and then group allows it to touch on something you know resident community serving focus on the downtown it really utilizes the space to engage other parts of the downtown as opposed to just another place to stand and look at the city. |
| 04:27:02.59 | Adam Politzer | I agree. |
| 04:27:03.03 | Unknown | I prefer the M group. proposal. |
| 04:27:06.67 | Joe Burns | I just respect to Peter. I get what he's trying to do there, but I think we gotta be careful with too much passive, do nothing space. |
| 04:27:13.14 | Joan Cox | I think we give ourselves more flexibility. |
| 04:27:17.05 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I agree. The only thing I would just, it's a nitpick, I would just make these three points instead of a long run on sentence. So gathering spaces that one, increase resident and community service and focus. Two, emphasize pedestrian and bicycle views and three, or end uses in the waterfront. |
| 04:27:38.40 | Joe Burns | I think pedestrian and bicycle views came up by the planning commission. We're not too clear on what that, what is a pedestrian and bicycle view. but. |
| 04:27:48.64 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Maybe just enhance, emphasize the pedestrian and bicycle experience. |
| 04:27:55.78 | Joan Cox | or pedestrian and bicycle uses in the downtown waterfront. |
| 04:27:59.61 | Joe Burns | Yeah. It used to be like. |
| 04:28:00.49 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Yeah, that's good. Thank you. Any other comments on this? |
| 04:28:10.53 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, I think we can. |
| 04:28:17.36 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | All right, this is a discontiguous historic district. This is from our HPC. |
| 04:28:24.53 | Joan Cox | I like the HPC recommendation. |
| 04:28:30.97 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I agree. |
| 04:28:36.70 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Any comments? I would take this moment to thank HBC and sustainability and PBAC and all the boards and commissions that really thought creatively about, um, incorporating our racial justice policies into the, like making them actionable. So thank you for that. Any other comments on this? Okay, we'll move on to LU 8.1.3. |
| 04:29:10.66 | Unknown | I like the, that's our direction that's been carried out. |
| 04:29:16.59 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 04:29:19.80 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Any other comments? Okay, seeing none, go on to, so now we're moving out of the land use element and into our waterfront and marine ship element. I would just carry over our comments from the last Bye. |
| 04:29:38.78 | Councilmember Cox | Agreed. |
| 04:29:42.65 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And then we will go on to page 15, item two. I just have to say, I can't believe we're still talking about the path of Oh, we've had. a lot of discussions about this. Um, |
| 04:30:04.62 | Joan Cox | So the Planning Commission is recommending pedestrian only, |
| 04:30:04.70 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | that's what we're doing. |
| 04:30:12.11 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So we had this discussion at the working group, Joan, I don't know if you remember, and I thought we compromised on low impact pedestrian path with bicycle usage. Yep. As meaning. This isn't a cycle track for racers and spandex. It's a and maybe kids with, you know, families with kids And with training wheels and you know. that, It's primarily a pedestrian path. with bicycle usage as a kind of secondary. nod. And so we had a pretty long discussion about that. And I thought we had all I've read on that. um, but it looks like the Planning Commission wants to take out bike use. So that's just context for other council members. |
| 04:31:07.36 | Joe Burns | Apparently the path of honor is a circle and we keep coming back to it. It's like a racetrack. Yeah. |
| 04:31:17.18 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So I'm happy with our original language, but... |
| 04:31:24.35 | KC | Yep. |
| 04:31:26.50 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Me too. |
| 04:31:31.92 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | All right, we are... on item three of the waterfront which is waterfront paths |
| 04:31:47.95 | Joan Cox | I like the M group recommendation. |
| 04:31:48.17 | Adam Politzer | I like that. |
| 04:31:55.67 | Joan Cox | and I like the focus on circulation. |
| 04:31:57.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:31:58.04 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:31:58.95 | KC | I'm going to go. |
| 04:32:03.08 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Are we all good? All right. So number four, zoning ordinance to allow sea level rise research. So I actually, I did go back to the full general plan. I don't. We already have a zoning ordinance in economic element 6.5.1. So I'm just, let me find that. policy. is That whole policy is about the innovative marine ship And policy, current policy, this isn't here, I had to look it up, 6.5.1. is innovative uses and it says in a process linked to the zoning ordinance revision, Thank you. Described in LE 4.2.1, consider permitting innovative businesses in the marineship uses that complement the marineship supply to its business, commercial, restaurant, financial, technological. maritime, light, industrial, and artist communities. And this whole policy E.6.5 is about promoting and supporting innovative business uses that serve Sassolito's sustainable leadership objectives. So, Given all that, don't think we need to restate it here. |
| 04:33:28.61 | Joan Cox | Do we want to include sea level rise research as a part of that policy? |
| 04:33:36.05 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And well, we already have, see if you look over, W4.2.4 on the left hand side. |
| 04:33:46.24 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | It already cross references sea level rise research uses with this policy I just read. |
| 04:33:52.42 | Joan Cox | That's fine with me then. |
| 04:33:57.38 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And then So I just wasn't sure. why we need to say it again. I think we're good. I don't know. M group, did you have? What was your recommendation? E 6.5.1 is not adequate to achieve this purpose. |
| 04:34:20.19 | Tom Ford | No, we only did that to say, to address how we would write it if we took the Planning Commission recommendation. I'm perfectly fine with the original. but the third column just shows what it would look like if you tried to incorporate their input. |
| 04:34:39.75 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Well, I don't think it's needed. I mean, it's, it's sort of recruits it, but uses different words, which I think could be confusing. |
| 04:34:55.33 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Right. Is there any other comment on that? So I would stay with the left-hand column. All right. Okay. So, historically, This is the general plan working group. |
| 04:35:13.87 | Joan Cox | I mean, this says consider, so I don't have any issue with it. I don't think it causes harm to have that as a program. |
| 04:35:25.30 | Lily Whelan | Agree. |
| 04:35:27.35 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I agree. Okay, let's move on public realm general plan working group. |
| 04:35:38.51 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | i didn't really understand the planning commission recommendation here um i was i think that this public realm does talk about private and public spaces. |
| 04:35:51.99 | Joan Cox | I agree. At this point, I think if there's not specific language being recommended, I tend to prefer to just keep what we have now. |
| 04:36:04.99 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. I'm with you, Joan, given that The alternative is that you and I are drafting language tomorrow. |
| 04:36:09.41 | Joan Cox | I'll turn it in. |
| 04:36:14.22 | Joan Cox | I didn't want to specifically point that out. You know, this came from the general plan working group, so this included feedback from two members of the planning commission working with the mayor and I. um, I think we cover this adequately to convey our purpose. |
| 04:36:33.47 | Joe Burns | Thank you. And you guys don't have to take that on. We'll remind you, too, that you're going to be doing it right. |
| 04:36:42.30 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, I'm not hearing any. Jill, it looks like you wanna, you're leaning forward. Thank you. |
| 04:36:46.70 | Jill Hoffman | That's good. |
| 04:36:47.16 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Okay. All right. Okay, neighborhood character. |
| 04:36:54.45 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So is this working to go through each one of these or do you want to just keep going through page by page and you guys just flag anything that we want to talk about? It doesn't I mean, we're, |
| 04:37:05.21 | Joan Cox | Thank you. We're more than halfway through. We could do it more quickly if you like by just flagging where we don't agree. |
| 04:37:14.12 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so just to remind everyone, the default is the star, Um, If you wanna go for the non-default, let me know. So why don't we just look at both these things on page 18, which is three and four. |
| 04:37:32.38 | Adam Politzer | with page 18. yet. eat. This is page 20. |
| 04:37:41.34 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Oh, I'm sorry. Did I? |
| 04:37:42.90 | Tom Ford | No, I think you two have different pages. I noticed it earlier in the meeting. It's CD 4.4 dash Excuse me, CD 4.2. I have it on page 18 also. |
| 04:37:56.02 | Joan Cox | So I like the new language. I like the new program proposed for policy CD 4.2, but I think it's important to keep policy CD 4.2. as well. the new program. ignores the original policy. So if this is CD 4.2.3, I'm okay with it. |
| 04:38:24.21 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Sounds fine with me. |
| 04:38:26.08 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 04:38:26.11 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:38:26.13 | Jill Hoffman | Me too. I agree. |
| 04:38:29.91 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, and then I, this universal access, I was fine with our language and I wasn't, |
| 04:38:38.47 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:38:38.48 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I agree. Thank you. |
| 04:38:40.03 | Joan Cox | to be involved. |
| 04:38:44.25 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Um, Okay, number five, 6.6 M group. based on social equity statement. |
| 04:38:55.04 | Joan Cox | So the M group is saying that the HPC recommendation is already covered by is already supported by policy CD 6.6. |
| 04:39:03.03 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 04:39:04.17 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I think I agree with that. |
| 04:39:06.60 | Joan Cox | I know. |
| 04:39:07.42 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, we're going to move on. So I'm just, people are going to yell and stop their then you don't like it. Um, Social equity statement 6.7.1. |
| 04:39:21.07 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:39:21.09 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:39:21.11 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I really like this one and I would like to keep it. |
| 04:39:21.16 | Joan Cox | And I... |
| 04:39:24.50 | Joan Cox | Me too. |
| 04:39:33.33 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so we're gonna move on to the circulation and parking elements. We have some recommendations on background and context from the Transit Agency of Marin. |
| 04:39:44.41 | Joan Cox | I think that the M group can include reference to the transit agency of marine demand model without our having to rewrite it. |
| 04:39:53.36 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 04:39:55.96 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | in the community. |
| 04:39:56.01 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:39:56.02 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | AGREED. All right, and then in the residential parking goals, I'm fine with our original proposal. |
| 04:40:03.40 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:40:03.41 | Chris Durbin | Agreed. |
| 04:40:10.55 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, moving on to CP3.2.4, carbon-free Sausalito. |
| 04:40:16.96 | Joan Cox | I'm fine with Tam's comment. |
| 04:40:22.97 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, the added language says without reducing local transit services that are relied upon by low income transit riders, I mean the mandate. to have all transit be carbon is coming from the state. So it will, it's not going to reduce transit options. So. |
| 04:40:45.84 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I don't think we need that additional language, but I'm okay with it as well. |
| 04:40:49.92 | Joan Cox | I'm okay with it. And I think, you know, there you're talking about perhaps some of the shuttle services that, you know, in vans So I think it is important to I mean, I feel as though there are experts who I'm fine with including their language. |
| 04:41:10.88 | Lauren de Rimmer | Thank you. |
| 04:41:10.90 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:11.03 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I agree. |
| 04:41:11.98 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:11.99 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Right. Um... Thank you. 5.8.1. |
| 04:41:18.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 04:41:19.47 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | with school districts seems safe routes to school, seems non-controversial. |
| 04:41:25.54 | Joan Cox | So adopt the TAM comment. |
| 04:41:28.03 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes. |
| 04:41:28.48 | Joan Cox | Thank you. Yes, agreed. |
| 04:41:31.45 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | No. 47.2.1 regional traffic mitigation fee. This is again from the transit agency of Moran. That's a minor comment. I think we can accept. |
| 04:41:41.64 | Councilmember Cox | Agreed. |
| 04:41:43.97 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Number five, Caltrans Source, General Pan Working Group. |
| 04:41:57.08 | KC | Ah. |
| 04:42:09.18 | Joan Cox | I agree with the planning commission that it's important. You know, our initial I do believe it's important to work collaboratively with the county and other stakeholders. |
| 04:42:22.14 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I agree with that. um, I think we can also move forward on our own if we need to. But yes, we would want to seek funding and collaboration. So Yeah. |
| 04:42:35.20 | Joan Cox | Thank you. but then they added, Um, language after the word delivery. Oh, no, they didn't. |
| 04:42:53.62 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, that's what I think that kind of mission language is fine. |
| 04:42:56.96 | Tom Ford | Yeah. All right. Okay, good. Thank you. |
| 04:43:03.59 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Hey, we are on page, we are on CP 7.4, Equitable Transportation. I think Sybil had a comment on this. which is to And instead of travel options and or mobility to reverse it to and or travel mobility and or travel options, which I think does make sense actually. |
| 04:43:28.02 | Joan Cox | Yeah, I'm fine with that. I like your planning commission addition. |
| 04:43:36.51 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, and I'm fine with that as well. |
| 04:43:39.82 | Tom Ford | Excuse me, Mayor. So we're going to take the Planning Commission for 7.4 with Sybil's recommended language edit. |
| 04:43:48.85 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. Yeah. And then we've got 6.2, this is all the, and wildlife recommendations, which I think we should take. |
| 04:44:00.71 | Joan Cox | I agree. |
| 04:44:03.65 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | We can move on. Now we're moving on to our health and safety element. |
| 04:44:10.55 | Joan Cox | So I think the way to address the first planning commission recommendation is simply to say, in collaboration with Southern Ren Fire Protection District, publish a disaster plan that promotes blah, blah, blah. |
| 04:44:26.22 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. |
| 04:44:26.39 | Joan Cox | it. |
| 04:44:26.44 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:44:31.61 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So that's just adding that to the left hand side. Yeah, correct. |
| 04:44:43.52 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | The next one is emergency preparedness. |
| 04:44:46.37 | Joan Cox | Yes, and I would recommend the same thing in collaboration with Southern Marin Fire. |
| 04:44:57.09 | Tom Ford | to the column on the left. |
| 04:44:59.05 | Joan Cox | Correct. |
| 04:45:00.04 | Tom Ford | Okay. |
| 04:45:03.38 | Joan Cox | And then I know that Sausalito Village has done extensive work on senior evacuation and approaches, and developed a buddy system So I think |
| 04:45:23.99 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I think they are farther, the senior community in Sausalito is farther ahead than anyone else. So to call them out as needing, I mean, they've done the most proactive work, I think. I mean, if anything, I'd want to turn this around that the rest of the foundation of model their work. um, |
| 04:45:42.50 | Joe Burns | We'll be shooting for that. We have an item coming up to a point member. And we'll be using that safety. |
| 04:45:50.68 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so we'll just keep the language as Joan proposed it on HS 2.2 on the left-hand side. |
| 04:45:59.32 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so now we're on HS 4.3. |
| 04:46:04.17 | Joan Cox | I like the, memorialization of our direction the Planning Commission did not want us to include this as a new program I don't know why Thank you. |
| 04:46:14.66 | Joe Burns | Okay. on infectious diseases again? |
| 04:46:18.60 | Joan Cox | Yeah. |
| 04:46:18.85 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 04:46:20.27 | Joan Cox | just because it's beyond our ambit, you think, Joe? |
| 04:46:23.03 | Joe Burns | I, |
| 04:46:23.37 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:46:23.39 | Joe Burns | Thank you. work with the county health |
| 04:46:28.11 | Joan Cox | I mean, we're doing that not specifically regarding residential care facilities, but we are doing that right now, our city manager collaborates with County health services and other government organizations right now to develop policies for mitigating COVID-19. |
| 04:46:50.67 | Joe Burns | Residential care facilities have a licensing program and a fully, you know, entire board of the state government. So. |
| 04:46:54.02 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 04:46:54.34 | Alice Merrill | Thank you. You know, |
| 04:47:00.88 | Joe Burns | I'm not sure where we'd fall on that. |
| 04:47:03.69 | Joan Cox | I mean, maybe we go back to the pre-9-1-20, just implement risk limiting practices to mitigate infectious diseases. |
| 04:47:11.65 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I think that's a little simpler. Is that okay, Jo? |
| 04:47:17.13 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. Yep. Thank you. |
| 04:47:18.57 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:47:18.59 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 04:47:18.82 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. All right, we're now at HS 5.1 environmental justice. social equity statement. |
| 04:47:28.29 | Unknown | M group thinks it's already met by objective S-5. |
| 04:47:37.25 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 04:47:42.60 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So I would go I don't see that M group in that comment. |
| 04:47:48.96 | Joan Cox | That's on the right-hand side. It's at the bottom of the screen here. |
| 04:47:52.94 | Tom Ford | third column. Thank you. |
| 04:47:54.23 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | it's a great day. |
| 04:47:54.28 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:47:54.31 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:47:54.34 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:47:54.41 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:47:54.43 | Councilmember Cox | that, you know, |
| 04:47:54.48 | Joan Cox | AS PART OF THE |
| 04:47:54.78 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Oh, I'm sorry, I was on the next thing. Okay, I'm really sorry. |
| 04:47:54.82 | Joan Cox | Oh, I'm sorry. |
| 04:47:60.00 | Tom Ford | So we're going on number four, we'll go with the asterisks. |
| 04:48:03.10 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes. Thank you. Sorry, I was on this one. |
| 04:48:10.80 | KC | Yeah. |
| 04:48:20.20 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So either the sustainability or the planning commission one is fine with me. |
| 04:48:25.93 | Joan Cox | So we got a lot of public comment on this. We had a letter from Tom Theodorus and from Sybil on this policy. And I think there was objection to the language integrating these populate about forcing us to integrate these populations throughout the community as opposed to um, figuring out where you know, where best to locate. Housing. |
| 04:49:00.04 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, so I would prefer either the sustainability commission recommendation or the planning commission recommendation. |
| 04:49:17.32 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I mean, this seems like a fairly standard environmental justice statement. |
| 04:49:21.60 | Joan Cox | I mean, I think sustainability is fine. |
| 04:49:26.16 | Joe Burns | We... You can't. do something in a flood zone, And even further, when you get into these noise and toxic contaminations, that's not an option anyway to build in a toxic environment, toxic contamination. Yeah. |
| 04:49:47.83 | Joan Cox | So I like the sustainability commission because it makes reference to all populations instead of limiting it to BIPOC populations. |
| 04:49:56.01 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Amen. |
| 04:49:56.40 | Joan Cox | I'm I believe the word effects needs to be spelled with an A instead of an E. |
| 04:50:04.87 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Joan, you've never, there's nothing that will get by you. |
| 04:50:09.88 | Joe Burns | It's almost midnight. |
| 04:50:11.84 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Okay, so we're gonna go with sustainability. Thank you. |
| 04:50:16.11 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 04:50:16.13 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 04:50:16.16 | Joe Burns | Yeah. |
| 04:50:18.46 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, and now speaking of, we are going to the sustainability climate change mitigation and resiliency element. And we have M group recommendation, which I think we directed, which I think we can all agree on. |
| 04:50:32.53 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. I like it. |
| 04:50:35.85 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | to make that live on. Draw down doesn't stay. |
| 04:50:43.80 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Energy Addits, Systeme Health Commission. |
| 04:50:45.46 | Unknown | I'm fine with encourage. |
| 04:50:52.58 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I would probably prefer require, but I would encourage if that's what other people like. |
| 04:51:01.07 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Ray, you have a thought on that? |
| 04:51:03.34 | Ray Withy | The state's going to override us and make it mandatory anyway within the year or so. |
| 04:51:08.15 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | way. |
| 04:51:11.81 | Ray Withy | I'm quite happy with Require. |
| 04:51:16.49 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:51:16.52 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, well that would be my preference. |
| 04:51:18.45 | Joan Cox | The one thing I did hear from Marin Realtors is that What they're seeking is consistency in policy. |
| 04:51:26.94 | KC | policy. Thank you. |
| 04:51:27.56 | Joan Cox | So, if, You know, as long as all municipalities are going to require it, that's fine, but right now we have different municipalities with different requirements, so. Thank you. |
| 04:51:39.62 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 04:51:39.64 | Joan Cox | it. |
| 04:51:39.66 | Joe Burns | Yeah. |
| 04:51:39.69 | Joan Cox | And that may be. |
| 04:51:39.71 | Joe Burns | COB, Dan Burke, COB OSMP John Potter, Maybe huge issue john and I think you're right on we, we need to solve that in a lot of different areas, so we have the same expectation 11 municipalities. |
| 04:51:49.35 | Unknown | Exactly. |
| 04:51:49.97 | Ray Withy | Well, maybe we need to write it as such then. Because even if you encourage it, you don't want to encourage sort of disparate things in different jurisdictions. I fully understand that. |
| 04:52:02.26 | Matt Stolling | I fully understand. |
| 04:52:04.47 | Ray Withy | maybe, you know, we need to reference the fact that it needs to be in coordination with you know, our, |
| 04:52:11.30 | Adam Politzer | you know, |
| 04:52:12.70 | Ray Withy | county regional partners or something. |
| 04:52:15.01 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I like that. Yeah. So M group is at enough direction. So it'll just say, consistent with other or in partnership with other Marin and regional jurisdictions. pursue an active policy for energy audits. |
| 04:52:34.50 | Tom Ford | Yep. Sure, that's good. Great. |
| 04:52:40.78 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, and we have- |
| 04:52:42.22 | Ray Withy | Sorry, Susan. Can I just go back to, I missed this, the previous one on S127. Um, uh, you know, for 85% of our residents and for everybody else, We won't be working with PG&E to implement a rate structure. We'll be working with MCE. to implement a rate structure. |
| 04:53:13.20 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I know. Yeah, that's a good point. |
| 04:53:16.32 | Ray Withy | So you could either make it sort of energy providers or... |
| 04:53:21.37 | Joan Cox | energy provided. or applicable energy provider. |
| 04:53:25.57 | Ray Withy | Right. |
| 04:53:26.73 | Joan Cox | I would say applicable energy provider instead of PG&E. |
| 04:53:30.87 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great. Good catch, Ray. Thank you. Okay, back to renewable energy farms. |
| 04:53:42.00 | Joan Cox | I think to adopt the Planning Commission recommendation after the word wind farms, we could say, Um, Thank you. as well as other small scale energy generation technology. |
| 04:53:55.72 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, that's fine. Good solution. |
| 04:54:09.09 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So, and then s point 2 point 1 I am pretty sure that all of the planning commission recommendations are captured and then our waste task force is essentially our sustainability commission I spend. a good amount of their time talking about waste reduction. Um, and waste education. |
| 04:54:35.19 | Joan Cox | Yeah, I think this is an implementation measure. |
| 04:54:35.46 | Councilmember Cox | I think this is an |
| 04:54:45.55 | Joan Cox | the Planning Commission recommendation. |
| 04:54:50.38 | Joan Cox | What does that mean? |
| 04:54:50.41 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | What does that mean? |
| 04:54:51.16 | Joan Cox | Thank you. That it doesn't need to be included in the program if we wanted to include it in the program we could say, including but not limited to. you know, waste education, waste task force and recycling in city buildings. |
| 04:55:03.51 | Ray Withy | But as Susan said, this is one of the major topics of the sustainability commission they spend all their time on. |
| 04:55:08.59 | Joan Cox | Exactly. |
| 04:55:09.26 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:55:11.07 | Ray Withy | Why do we want another task force? I mean, come on. Yeah. |
| 04:55:16.72 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I also think there's a lot of policies in our climate |
| 04:55:22.14 | Unknown | I'll be sure. |
| 04:55:22.27 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. So I think we're covered. I agree. All right, so we'll go with pre 9-1-20. I, |
| 04:55:30.97 | Joan Cox | On the next one, I agree with the planning commission recommendation desalination and it's actually desalination as opposed to desalinization, is, was considered by MMWD and rejected. It's been considered by many and rejected. necessarily the best approach. I think it's better to say, evolve and enhance ways to capture non-traditional water sources as proposed by the Planning Commission, instead of limiting ourselves to desalination. |
| 04:56:01.95 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I agree on that. Yeah, that's fine. |
| 04:56:04.82 | Ray Withy | I fully agree on that. |
| 04:56:06.74 | Joe Burns | I wanted to be on the desalination task force, but I guess. |
| 04:56:12.07 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. 2.3.7 salt tolerant plants. |
| 04:56:18.23 | Joan Cox | I think keep our existing program. |
| 04:56:21.08 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. Okay. DEI, our community venture partners, discuss how sea level rise will affect circulation and infrastructure in the partnership. |
| 04:56:33.44 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So, you know, I definitely think we have to have a infrastructure needs analysis. But I thought we already had a policy along those lines and an infrastructure statement about the Marin ships. |
| 04:56:50.67 | Joan Cox | I think this came from one of the major public comments that we got from a law firm regarding the inadequacy of our sea level rise adaptation plan. And so I was pleased to see the M Group's efforts on page 37, I guess 35 for you Susan to enunciate. a sea level rise adaptation plan. |
| 04:57:17.53 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, as long as it's not conflicting with our other infrastructure needs analysis discussions. Okay, so we'll accept that. |
| 04:57:32.47 | Joan Cox | for both eight and nine on page 39. I did not understand the replacement of the word develop with the with the word leverage. I think we should keep the word develop in both of those. |
| 04:57:50.15 | Jill Hoffman | Does leverage mean that they're docked ones that are already developed? |
| 04:57:54.27 | Joan Cox | So, |
| 04:57:54.35 | Jeff Bradley | All right. |
| 04:57:54.98 | Joan Cox | advantage of existing. |
| 04:57:57.03 | Jeff Bradley | Yeah. |
| 04:57:57.15 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 04:57:57.78 | Jeff Bradley | Yeah, the Planning Commission found that there was already systems in place, so the word developed seemed out of place. Yeah, probably right. |
| 04:58:07.51 | Joan Cox | But we have, we're considering other systems like Mill Valley has the siren, we're considering putting in a siren or two. So I think there still are uh, we still do need to develop and not develop new early warning systems and not simply ledger leverage the ones we have. |
| 04:58:27.12 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Or why don't we just say develop or leverage? I think Sybil also had and provide accessible safe air shelters for refuge here. say that we need to coordinate like Mill Valley Community Center provides uh, A cool. air shelter. So I think we just need to, I think we should make sure our residents have access, but it may not be developing one ourselves. So, M group, if you could just add like, something that leaves it open to whether we have one here in Sassilita or we provide a shuttle to Mill Valley. if it's not cost effective to do it ourselves. |
| 04:59:13.33 | Joe Burns | But we're not going to get into the business of alerting people on air quality. |
| 04:59:17.38 | Joan Cox | Right. |
| 04:59:20.78 | Joan Cox | we're gonna ensure people have tools to look at You know, right now I have an app that daily tells me the air quality. |
| 04:59:29.76 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Right, this is a separate point, which is providing shelter with poor air quality days The county is doing that already, but the one closest to us is in Mill Valley. So I'm just agreeing that we should, in coordination with the county and other jurisdictions, Make sure people have a place to go. So maybe it's separate. |
| 04:59:50.27 | Ray Withy | I made it. Maybe we need to say that. |
| 04:59:53.69 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. I was going to add on to language, Sybil. proposed. that we would do it with regional coordination. |
| 05:00:04.36 | Ray Withy | Yeah, I agree with that. |
| 05:00:07.53 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | That's fine with me. And I mean, maybe it changes the name of the policy to alert and protection system or something. |
| 05:00:18.60 | Joan Cox | Is that adequate, Tom? |
| 05:00:21.92 | Tom Ford | Yes, I believe what we're saying is 3.6.3, we're going to alert system. developer leverage early warning, and then we're going to refer Sybil's recommendation and provide access to state shelter Great. with regional coordination. That's a butchered version, but we will reference her that we have. but we're going to keep it as one program. with that language. |
| 05:00:49.70 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:00:49.72 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 05:00:50.04 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | All right, so we're going to move on to the economic element. |
| 05:00:54.63 | Joan Cox | So in this, in the first one, we make specific reference to the EDAC doing something. This is a 20 year general plan. So I prefer the planning commission recommendation, which simply says prepare an action plan without specifically saying, have our EDAC prepare an action plan. Who knows how long the EDAC will last or not. So I prefer the more generic version. but I like the addition of particularly those that would diversify business ownership in Sausalito. |
| 05:01:26.17 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 05:01:26.23 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 05:01:26.42 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Bye. Okay, so let's go with the Planning Commission recommendation. |
| 05:01:34.65 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, 5.1.4 pedestrian experience. |
| 05:01:49.40 | Joan Cox | So I believe we addressed other business areas in different policies and programs. Thank you. So I would say, the asterisked version. |
| 05:02:01.71 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I think that's right. |
| 05:02:05.92 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, last two, tourism plan development. |
| 05:02:11.29 | Joe Burns | Are we missing then the the diversity angle and inclusive angle on that. |
| 05:02:18.61 | Joan Cox | we still include that language. It still says, particularly those that would diversify business ownership in Sausalito. |
| 05:02:30.70 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Wait, are you backing up Joe to the prior one? |
| 05:02:34.83 | Joe Burns | 7.2.1. |
| 05:02:37.68 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, let's hear it's up on the screen. |
| 05:02:41.75 | Joe Burns | We're taking the asterisk, we're taking the left column. |
| 05:02:47.01 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:02:47.17 | Joan Cox | I'm sorry. No, he's your way down where go back up, Asher, to the prior one, E3.2.1. |
| 05:02:48.35 | Joe Burns | No. |
| 05:02:48.84 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:02:54.81 | Joe Burns | Oh, I'm ahead of you guys then. Yeah. |
| 05:02:56.43 | Joan Cox | Yeah, you're ahead of us. |
| 05:02:57.22 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 05:02:57.39 | Joan Cox | I'm not sure. |
| 05:02:57.48 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 05:02:57.49 | Joan Cox | Okay. |
| 05:02:57.65 | Joe Burns | Thank you. |
| 05:02:59.03 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, so this one kept the diversify. So now we're down. |
| 05:02:59.38 | Joe Burns | So this is- |
| 05:02:59.69 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:03:05.59 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I think we're fine with the pedestrian experience. Yep, we did that one. Go down to the tourism plan. |
| 05:03:08.46 | Joe Burns | I did that one. The tourism plan was the one that we are, I thought we were on. |
| 05:03:14.74 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, and I think that, so you're saying the EDAC one, right, Joe? |
| 05:03:19.45 | Joe Burns | Yeah. |
| 05:03:20.78 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, I'm good with that. |
| 05:03:23.04 | Councilmember Cox | So the one thing that Planning Commission did is add the word inclusive before the word outreach. |
| 05:03:30.26 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, we can add that to the EDAC. |
| 05:03:34.60 | Councilmember Cox | Great. |
| 05:03:38.01 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | All right. We are at the finish line here. |
| 05:03:43.06 | Ray Withy | Just before you go on this, I'm group clear on what we just decided. Yes. Okay. Thank you. |
| 05:03:50.31 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | The little combination of the planning and the feedback. |
| 05:03:52.96 | Ray Withy | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 05:03:53.67 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Inclusive participation board and commission recommendation this is from sustainability about it. Uh, |
| 05:04:07.22 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I like this. |
| 05:04:09.35 | Joan Cox | I like it too, but I do wonder if the planning commission suggests it should be in the introduction instead of a separate policy or program. |
| 05:04:22.46 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I mean, this is a particular action |
| 05:04:32.10 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I mean, I would keep it here, but... Okay. |
| 05:04:35.56 | Joan Cox | I like the am group work. |
| 05:04:37.73 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 05:04:41.39 | Joan Cox | Yeah. M group, I don't know why you asterisked the pre-9-120 and not your own work for this. |
| 05:04:50.94 | Tom Ford | This was under the assumption that you might not get to it. and we would just go to the version that you previously |
| 05:04:53.93 | Joan Cox | Oh, thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:04:56.63 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 05:04:56.90 | Joan Cox | Well, we surprised you. We got through the whole attachment |
| 05:04:56.99 | Tom Ford | Well, we support Right. |
| 05:04:59.97 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Tom. |
| 05:05:00.44 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:05:00.82 | Tom Ford | Right. |
| 05:05:01.69 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. |
| 05:05:02.01 | Tom Ford | Congratulations. |
| 05:05:03.47 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And we are officially now on Wednesday. Welcome back, Jill. We haven't had a meeting this long, uh, |
| 05:05:14.32 | Joe Burns | Okay. Before we go to questions from the public I don't know if Tom mentioned this in his is, beginning. dialogue the planning commission started their meeting with a question back to us on schedule are we including that in tonight's They were going to ask us for a longer period Did anybody catch that and really kind of start off their conversation as having a problem with our current pace and opportunity to go through these items adequately for the public? think somewhere they kind of started realizing how that probably wasn't sensical, but they, I thought they asked, I thought they formalized that they were going to ask us for a different timeframe. Did they do that writing, Tom? |
| 05:06:00.94 | Tom Ford | Certainly we didn't. Just so my understanding of what they were actually asking for was a schedule issue, which they can't control. You've already adopted the schedule. But a larger issue, I think it was larger, was that they wanted the community to be able to have an opportunity to hear from the EIR consultant about you know what the environmental impact report is So we already have the environmental consultants set to come to both the planning commission meeting in November and the city council. And similar to what they did at the previous meetings with you folks back in June or July, they'll give a presentation that gives an overview of the EIR and then makes public comment. And still fits into your schedule. |
| 05:06:44.97 | Joe Burns | and still fit. |
| 05:06:47.47 | Tom Ford | All right. |
| 05:06:47.53 | Joe Burns | OK, so they didn't send us anything. Thank you. |
| 05:06:49.85 | Tom Ford | Thank you. |
| 05:06:49.91 | Joe Burns | We have a great day. |
| 05:06:49.96 | Tom Ford | Not through us, no. OK, all right, thanks. |
| 05:06:50.01 | Joe Burns | Not too bad. |
| 05:07:00.02 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so I think we just had that one last. um, One last issue about the Clippers questions. about adjusted zoning in the W. I mean, I guess the first question is, is the council even Karen Hollweg, What does the Council even want to pursue that at this point. Karen Hollweg, And if so. what are the steps that we need to get there? Do we need to do it here at the general plan? Do we still have the opportunity to do that? If so, And if not, and then what's the environmental review aspect to that? And then if we don't, then it would just be a zoning change that will follow up. that we're planning to do once the general plan process is over. So I guess the first question I would have is whether there's any sense from the council and whether this is something we want to look into further. This is the second time that we've received correspondence. Yes, Ray. |
| 05:08:11.42 | Ray Withy | Well, I think there are two issues, two things here. There's the specific issue that Ken Peterson has put before us, which is And it's probably an issue that exists with a number of different property owners, not just Kent. which is Um, He has a building. It's that small building on Harbor. Um, that there's no way economically he can possibly invest in that building to raise the dollar. It's, I can't remember the business, One of the marine oriented businesses is on the ground floor. And So, there's a building that is going to just become abandoned. over time. and we're going to lose the maritime business. because there is no economic incentive for Dan to actually put money into that building because the economics just don't work out. So what he's asking for as I understand it. is to allow a expanded usage in the W zone on the second floor. Okay, so there's that issue and I'm sure, but that's a more generic issue which is highlighting the issue that we're seeing in the Marin shed, which is property owners are not going to spend money investing in their property, which gives a negative return. They're not going to do it. So how do those properties actually get salvaged. get to. that future councils are going to have to decide this. And what do we do in our general plan to at least encourage that investment in that I'm not sure. a more generic thing is, which is, I think, incredibly worrying. If we've got to specify every detail as to what's going to go in the zoning order, in the general plan. We're never going to get anywhere. Considering the general plan can be amended four times a year by law, The real question becomes, What amendments to the general plan can we make in the future that are not going to trigger a full EIR? That's the real question. |
| 05:10:34.35 | Jeff Bradley | Or even. |
| 05:10:34.69 | Ray Withy | And so what we put in the general plan has got to be broad enough to encompass Whatever might work that might then transpire when we're doing the zoning So I think these are the things we've got to be clarifying. There's a specific case we can and others, I'm sure, that were just basically saying, Well, Tough. So. We don't care. We don't care if your building sink in top. We're not going to put any policy in place to help you. That's one approach. But the second more general approach is Okay, well, What are we going to do when future councils suddenly wake up to the fact they've got to make these changes? but they've put in place a general plan that doesn't let them. without doing a full EI. That's the problem. |
| 05:11:26.48 | Joan Cox | So that's why I asked for staff to consider as we were working on other programs whether we can accomplish this because I don't think we can make this decision tonight it's too specific and it but my question is is this something we can accomplish on an ad hoc basis moving forward with the existing general plan programs and policies as we consider our zoning ordinance in greater detail |
| 05:11:54.39 | Joe Burns | If we go forward and we amend the general plan, do we have to do a new EIR on the general plan or does that project under a CUP just have to do a mitigated deck? |
| 05:12:05.73 | Unknown | Typically the latter, but Jeff's here. |
| 05:12:08.63 | Adam Politzer | Yeah. |
| 05:12:11.16 | Unknown | Jeff, are you going to, |
| 05:12:13.19 | Jeff Bradley | Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Cox. Jeff Bradley with M Group. As the Council is aware, one of the overall goals of this general plan since the beginning has been to translate the policies from the Marinship Specific Plan into the general plan and allow for the more detailed requirements to flow into the city's zoning code. And I think this question that has been raised by Mr. Peterson several times during this process kind of straddles those two realms. And so it's a little bit of, I think, to Councilman Cox's point, requires careful consideration. For example, the apprenticeship specific plan specifically allows applied arts in the industrial zone. And then there's a corresponding allocation for marine related applied arts in the waterfront land use district or zone, we can call it. And so there's kind of a there's kind of a parallel construction there, but it's a Some would view that as a fundamental policy issue. Other people might view that as a less major, you know, zoning code type of regulation. Having been working on the project for length of time. To me, it feels like more of a pretty fundamental policy issue. And so that's why I would hesitate to come out and say that that type of change would be 100% consistent with the general plan as it's written today. However, I do believe there is a way to look at it as a matter of degrees. For example, Mr. Peterson suggests that applied arts, if allowed in the W zone, could be restricted to the second floor, which is a significant restriction in terms of where those types of uses could be located and a certain distance from the waterfront. So there could be some protective things that could be done to make sure that the limited waterfront area doesn't get taken up. with non-water dependent or marine related uses, which is really the 100% thrust of both the marineship specific plan and now the draft general plan. So that's how I would frame the issue from a general plan perspective. |
| 05:14:51.71 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I guess we don't have our environmental consultants here this evening. So that's a separate question. So it just sounds like maybe we need to get a report back in some form on this question. Is that what I'm hearing? |
| 05:15:11.86 | Joan Cox | I mean, what we're gonna do is publish our general plan. It's not final. We still have the opportunity to revise it. We still have the opportunity to revise the environmental documents. but I do think we need to address this issue As Ray points out, We're going to confront this type of issue. for other landowners in the marine ship, so it will be important for us to understand whether we need to grapple with some more basics within our general plan process now or whether we will have the flexibility to address these issues on an ad hoc basis as they arise. |
| 05:15:51.37 | Joe Burns | Yeah, and I think like the word that Jeff brought up, you know, like we start having some policy clarity around it. It's going to be on second floor. And I'd even go a step further that it's newly created second floor, reused second floor. you know, those types of things so that we know that we're getting new space and not taking over any prior industrial or waterfront space. |
| 05:16:14.89 | Jill Hoffman | So that's, is that direction to staff then to come back to us with options about how how to address in the future. |
| 05:16:20.15 | Joan Cox | for us. Thank you. |
| 05:16:22.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 05:16:22.72 | Joan Cox | and hopefully- |
| 05:16:22.85 | Jill Hoffman | I mean, |
| 05:16:24.10 | Joan Cox | Before we wrap all this up I'm getting texts from people who want to give public comment on this and other issues so |
| 05:16:28.84 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | another. Yep, we have three people and we are going to do public comment to make sure we've talked about everything so that public has the opportunity to weigh in on everything that we have talked about. Okay. We've aired the issues and then we'll provide any direction we need to at the end. Okay, any other, so we just went through a lot of stuff. Is there anything that was not raised by M group in their staff report that anyone wants to add on to the discussion. You know, I know Jill, you have not been here for a lot of this. So I just turn to you. Is there any other, you know, aspects of |
| 05:17:11.71 | Jill Hoffman | Any other, you know, |
| 05:17:15.50 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | any of the policies that you want to highlight tonight or have concerns about? |
| 05:17:20.18 | Jill Hoffman | No, no, I stated the one that was my one concern. |
| 05:17:23.67 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Great. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay, so we'll open it up to public comment. This is the second round of public comments. So that's one minute at this point. And we'll start with Sybil Boutouye. Welcome back. |
| 05:17:42.98 | Sybil Boutier | Thank you, Mayor. So I have to apologize because I made a mistake on number two. The reason that the planning commission said they wanted to remove that statement was because it was quote, too sweet. And actually that was our statement of the equity of older adults. And so I would like to suggest a alternative statement that says something like, because to be truly inclusive A city must consider the needs of residents across the whole life course. |
| 05:18:19.17 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | that's, |
| 05:18:19.76 | Sybil Boutier | Thank you. |
| 05:18:19.81 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:18:19.90 | Councilmember Cox | Okay. |
| 05:18:22.23 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | That's that? Okay. We'll comment on that afterward. Thank you, Sybil. We appreciate that. Okay, Sandra Bushmaker. Thank you. Welcome. |
| 05:18:34.43 | Sandra Bushmaker | Let me just get my video. Okay, I'm ready to go. I have a couple points, and I realize I've only got a minute. It's clear to me that After this discussion tonight about the power of the general plan, superseding even zoning with the state mandates that are coming through, this has to be communicated to the public very clearly. And perhaps we can get more public involvement in this general plan process by emphasizing the need and the power of the general plan, given our circumstances. Secondly, With regard to housing, I want to make sure we deal with the public health issues, not only environmental public health issues, but pandemic type of public health issues, and that be incorporated in all of our housing discussions. Lastly, the Peterson proposal, I sent you a letter at last month at your last meeting about that. And I think that it's inappropriate to be having a full discussion on Peterson's inability to find a second story. use that fits the emergency specific plan uses. You're one minute. You're one minute. |
| 05:19:51.09 | Heidi Scoble | One minute time hasn't allowed. |
| 05:19:52.69 | Sandra Bushmaker | Last week. Thank you. |
| 05:19:54.08 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Okay, thank you. Michael Rex, welcome back. |
| 05:20:09.74 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Can't hear you, Michael. |
| 05:20:13.18 | Michael Rex | Yeah. How's that better? Thank you. We're not going to preserve and protect our marine uses if we can't maintain the facilities that serve them. and we're not going to be able to maintain those facilities if the users are so restricted that they can't find a tenant, to fill those uproot floors. I, Peterson and other property owners cannot find marine-oriented uses on the upper floors. Because that's not where you put marine use. And so I want to suggest some wording because I agree that the general plan should be general, but we shouldn't need an amendment to do what we must. Try this. to allow with a CUP on the upper floors in the W zone Um, A broader use of uses where it can be demonstrated that they promote and preserve water-oriented uses on the ground floor. That gives us the opportunity to explore those type of broadening, broader uses. Thank you. |
| 05:21:21.95 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you, Michael. Peter, Graham Meter, welcome back. |
| 05:21:30.50 | Peter Van Meter | Yes, direct your attention to page 36. Again, the sea level adaptation plan. I'd like to read item M to be added to that list. I'll read it slowly so we can write it down. An economic analysis of mitigation costs versus public and private economic loss. I think you need to do that study and that plan. Thank you. |
| 05:21:57.43 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. André, welcome back. |
| 05:22:02.51 | John DeRay | Thank you, Mayor. Very quickly here, I have a comment about the Clipper property. I'm gonna read some uses sea level rise environmental adaptation research geostatistics research coastal resiliency studies green gray coastal design coastal hazard mitigation planning marine electrical engines marine solar ocean engineering marine battery technology marine logistics sbr dod marine contractors sbr doe marine contractors global marine economics all these are possible uses let's see the data that they haven't been able to get any of these uses in there. We can't take one property's owner word on this. Remember, they submitted a letter in June that this property owner and two others wanted applied arts on all the waterfront properties, not just this one. Float the buildings. That's what they're doing at the Varda landing. The plans are in the city. Lily, I'm sure has seen them. Um, This is an option. So the other comment I wanted to make is on the industrial. We're turning our back on new industrial development. Your one-minute time has elapsed. |
| 05:23:07.70 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Your one minute time has elapsed. |
| 05:23:10.82 | John DeRay | Thank you. |
| 05:23:11.72 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | You want to finish your sentence, John? |
| 05:23:19.85 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | John, I was going to give you a chance to finish your sentence, but Thank you. |
| 05:23:24.24 | John DeRay | I don't think he heard you. Yes. Okay. I got it. Sorry. I was just going to say, I think tonight what you've done is you, you've signaled every property owner, raise your rate, raise your lease rate. so that your office cannot be least. have your office vacated and you get housing. This is what you've signaled everybody today. This is a storm like we're not going to have seen before. Every property owner, heard this tonight. Thank you. |
| 05:23:54.31 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, thank you. PB, Sarah Silver, Okay i'm not seeing any additional hands raised, so we will take it back up to the Commission. Commission Council. And So our direction tonight, we need to vote on sending this plan forward. Actually, first I should ask, is there anything that came up from public comment that we would like to address. So I definitely heard Sybil trying to reword the language in the Age friendly, which I didn't have any problem with. Anyone else have an objection to including that language? |
| 05:24:36.16 | Joan Cox | No. |
| 05:24:36.45 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Um, Thank you. |
| 05:24:40.51 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:24:40.53 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:24:40.63 | Unknown | I'm going to go. |
| 05:24:40.70 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I'm sorry. And then we had, |
| 05:24:45.10 | Joan Cox | Peter requested the sea level rise study. |
| 05:24:51.26 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, and I mean, I think it makes sense to include an economic analysis in that long list of things. |
| 05:24:58.10 | Councilmember Cox | Bye. you. |
| 05:25:00.60 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so hopefully M group caught that language. |
| 05:25:04.21 | Tom Ford | Yes. |
| 05:25:05.37 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And then Michael Rex proposed some type of language that would be a broader statement of how different uses on the second floor could be considered. So, in addition to moving forward with this general plan language, I want to see if we want to include any direction to staff and the M group on the questions that were raised around second floor uses in the W. |
| 05:25:41.10 | Joan Cox | I would like to hear back from staff about whether that's something we have to do here or whether we can do that as a general plan amendment as we confront zoning issues throughout Sausalito. So and if we can consider it later I think we should. If we have to consider it now then I'd like to have staff return to us with Michael Rex's recommendation in writing that we can consider. You know, Michael Rex sent us 14 ideas. at 1.30 this afternoon. |
| 05:26:12.97 | Councilmember Cox | I, |
| 05:26:12.99 | Joan Cox | I cannot begin to assimilate 14 ideas when I'm working a full-time job and we start our meeting at 5 o'clock. You know, I want to give due consideration to his ideas. He's a brilliant architect, creative for the city, but I need a better opportunity and it needs to be a more transparent opportunity for the public as well. |
| 05:26:38.71 | Ray Withy | Well, I really do think we need to get our arms around what flexibility we've got or The future council will have in redesigning the zoning ordinance based on this general plan modifications to the general plan that we're allowed to take, but what is going to be the limitations imposed by our environmental review that is going to stop us from actually making any zoning audience changes. Quite frankly, I don't think, and this is not a criticism, it's just a fact, The M group hasn't been totally clear on this because I don't think there's a clear answer, most likely. And so I think it's something I agree with Council Member Cox is something we need to understand better. you know, before we you know, as we move forward because the Future Council is going to be faced with this. get it clear in your head, what, your room for maneuver. |
| 05:27:45.60 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. I think we need to know, you know, what the water flexibility is and and how that impacts the environmental report and when we have to do an amendment so specifically how, what flexibility we have in the general plan, if we want to look at um, different sections of the general plan that this would fit under and how we would do that. and how we would move forward. |
| 05:28:13.39 | Joe Burns | once you Yeah, sorry. This is the first time we've had arguments or arguments, different considerations between the property owner in the businesses and the industry. And the property owners are very clear on the future of their property. If somebody else has a better idea, I'm in the business of making that happen. If they want to make an offer for that property, I'm sure Ken would sell that property if he can't change it. It's going to sit, if it's going to go underwater, he'll sell it today. to somebody who has a better idea. So let's keep the idea that the property owners should be considered in how we're going to protect the marinship because they actually own the property that's there. and I'm not kowtowing, but let's, You know, let's not just say as a non-owner, well, I have a better idea for your property. Here's what you can do. You can buy it. |
| 05:29:05.65 | Joan Cox | And then we had a recommendation from Sandra Bushmaker, but it was a concept and not specific revisions to a program or policy. So I would invite her to provide us as a part of her comments to this final review draft, whatever revisions to programs or policies she is seeking from us. |
| 05:29:28.17 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Okay, so I think if we can just be clear on what we are doing tonight. I think we're sending the draft as with the revisions that we recommended tonight forward to go out to the public to be circulated according to the schedule and then That's also the draft that environmental review will commence or recommence on. And then there'll be two hearings in November. Maybe if Lily is still with us. You could just put up the schedule. or any action items. |
| 05:30:10.61 | Jill Hoffman | Um, Do you need to note somewhere in there that one section, LU120, LU1.19.2. the, that I, my, My recommendation was to, um, go with the Planning Commission, or do we even need to put that in there? that |
| 05:30:30.03 | Joan Cox | That's my recommendation. |
| 05:30:30.96 | Jill Hoffman | you. |
| 05:30:30.97 | Joan Cox | as well. My compromise is the language that we have. Okay. |
| 05:30:35.92 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | We are. Thank you. PB, Sarah Silver, So Joan you prefer it completely gone and then you're compromising to accept the with the housing element. |
| 05:30:44.93 | Councilmember Cox | Correct. Thank you. |
| 05:30:46.60 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So... just before we vote. So Jill, you can vote with that caveat. I think is what Mary indicated earlier. So and then here's our schedule. Um, |
| 05:31:03.90 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So we have the next, the final public review draft will be the 20th. and the EIR draft will be published. We'll be right back. |
| 05:31:16.25 | Sonia Hammonds | 23rd. |
| 05:31:16.76 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | the 23rd next Friday. |
| 05:31:19.08 | KC | you |
| 05:31:19.34 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:31:22.63 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So this public review draft, okay. Wow, okay, great. Good, and then there'll be hearings in November as shown on this slide on the environmental review. So that's great. Okay. So with that, do I have a motion? to advance the, I'll just make the motion to advance this general plan draft for public review as revised tonight. with the comments made by Council member Hoffman and Cox as it relates to LU 1.19. |
| 05:32:03.72 | Mary Wagner | And Madam Mayor, if I may just interject briefly, I think staff is also asking you to just authorize the recirculation of the draft EIR. |
| 05:32:12.63 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, and authorize the recirculation of the draft. the IR. Thank you. |
| 05:32:17.40 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 05:32:17.51 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:32:18.81 | Joe Burns | Second. |
| 05:32:20.07 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 05:32:21.29 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. And then before we vote, I also think we can we just get acknowledgement from staff that they understand the direction. on that we gave. on looking at the uses in the waterfront. and seeing if any amendment or revision is necessary at this point. Is that clear enough direction? |
| 05:32:45.62 | Tom Ford | Mr. I |
| 05:32:47.59 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay. Great. So Heidi, will you please call the roll? |
| 05:32:52.08 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Hoffman. Yes. Council member Burns. |
| 05:32:55.98 | Adam Politzer | Thank you. |
| 05:32:56.00 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:32:56.03 | Heidi Scoble | Yes. Councilmember Cox? Yes. Vice Mayor Withey? Yes. Mayor of Cleveland Knowles. |
| 05:33:02.61 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes, okay, that motion passes five zero. Thank you everyone who has stuck in here with us to this late hour. And we have a couple other items of business. PB, Sarah Silver, We have item eight, so we are delaying our city manager search process until the 21st we'll get a brief update from our city manager under item eight and under item eight we have city manager reports city manager information. for the council. appointments to boards and commissions and we do have some appointments tonight. and future agenda items. So I will take public comment on item eight. |
| 05:33:48.78 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Seeing none. So we'll move on to city manager report. |
| 05:33:56.09 | Adam Politzer | Good morning council members. Thank you for giving me a quick moment to share Just a brief update on the city manager recruitment. You will hear and the public will hear a full report on this, there is a comprehensive report in your package that we'll move over to the special meeting that is now scheduled for October 21st at 5.30 PM. At that meeting, we will present this report, which are laying out two items. One is the recruitment of an interim city manager The Council. asked the HR manager and city manager to reach out to potential candidates. We reached out to 12 candidates and we brought forward to the Council's consideration three qualified candidates. that the council will interview on the 21st. Um, in open session. The council will received proposals from three recruiting firms, executive recruiting firms, The council considered proposals from 12 recruiting firms and we've selected. to invite three of those firms to actually present proposals to the council. That will be done in open session. and those proposals will be shared in open sessions on October 29th at 5.30 p.m. Again, we will share all of this information in the staff report that will come before the council and open session. on the 21st. and then the council will adjourn into a closed session to actually do the interviews of the interim city manager candidates. And then we'll come back on the 29th of October at a special meeting to hear the proposals from our recruitment firms And those recruitment firms are Ralph Anderson and Associates, Avery and associates, and Wendy Wendy Brown Creative Partners. Those who we've at the council was asked to send proposals for their services. That's my brief report again. There's a thorough staff report in your packet today. We'll update that for our special council meeting on October 21st. The only other item I would like to share with the council is that we are working with the city of Marin City. with the county with Marin City, We have a lot of our partners in Marin City, specifically with the performing stars and the school district to host our Halloween event. as a 94965 Halloween event. It's going to be a drive-in movie. on the ball field at the school district. and it'll be fun had by all that evening. Obviously, because of all the social distancing requirements, there won't be the traditional trick or treat parade and events here at City Hall. So we are doing it in collaboration with the performing stars and the South Southern Marin City School District. There'll be a lot more information on that event coming out in the current and then posters at the performing stars who are the lead agency on the planning year. we'll be distributing with our Parks and Recreation Department. Other than that, I'm happy to answer any questions of the council. |
| 05:37:28.90 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great, thank you. Are there any questions for our city manager? Okay. Thank you. And I did just want to add to Adam's note that for members of the public who are interested in qualifications or attributes of our interim city manager. that you can provide those to us in writing either on or before the 21st or come to our meeting on the 21st and let us know. Thank you. your thoughts on that topic. Right. |
| 05:38:03.04 | Joan Cox | I'm. Mayor, point of order, did I miss it? Did we seek public comment before hearing our city manager report? We did. |
| 05:38:12.98 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | or remember. |
| 05:38:13.23 | Joan Cox | Thank you. it. |
| 05:38:14.18 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:38:14.35 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:38:14.88 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. Okay, I'm going to move on to item 8C, appointments to boards, commissions, and committees. I wanted to start with accepting the resignation of Library Board of Trustee member, Jean Walker Harvey. So, and thank her for her service. and appoint the alternate John Oppenheimer as a voting member. So I think we don't need discussion on that. and Do we, I don't, I guess we need to do we need to vote on that separately, Mary? I think we do. |
| 05:38:55.97 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 05:38:55.99 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Kiss please. Okay, so we will vote on that. Heidi, could you call the roll? |
| 05:39:03.47 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Hoffman? Yes. Councilmember Burns? |
| 05:39:05.04 | Unknown | So, Yeah. |
| 05:39:10.72 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Burns? |
| 05:39:12.09 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 05:39:12.11 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 05:39:13.05 | Heidi Scoble | THE END OF THE END OF THE Councilmember Cox. |
| 05:39:15.72 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 05:39:18.76 | Heidi Scoble | Vice Mayor Withey. |
| 05:39:20.02 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 05:39:21.07 | Heidi Scoble | Mayor Cleveland Knowles. |
| 05:39:22.59 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes. Okay, and then I wanted to take the appointments to the Community Safety Disaster Preparedness Committee because Councilmember Burns is the liaison and had been giving some thought to getting that committee back up and running. I was wondering if he could make our initial nominations. |
| 05:39:48.37 | Joe Burns | Well, it's, um, more than just what we saw tonight, which I thought was a great group. I, um, I think they were the four that I would actually propose. Since we actually have seven spots on that committee now. And we have two remaining. So I'm going to propose at this time, both all four, Sarah, Elizabeth, Kylie, and Amanda. |
| 05:40:21.60 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, are there any other nominations? |
| 05:40:31.57 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Great. I would definitely also say that I thought Heidi Kirsch, who is a doctor and had pretty lengthy, um, Resume would also be an interesting choice if we have additional spots, given our current So we are going to appoint those four to the next slide. |
| 05:41:00.28 | Joe Burns | Did you make it five? |
| 05:41:02.15 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | No, I didn't. I don't think we have five spaces. I think we just have four. |
| 05:41:08.95 | Joan Cox | I thought Joe said we only had two out of seven. |
| 05:41:11.45 | Joe Burns | I'm not completely clear though. So I trust the mayor at this point. |
| 05:41:15.36 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, let's do the four tonight. And then, oh, sorry, Jill, go ahead. That's okay. |
| 05:41:20.56 | Jill Hoffman | I'm just looking at the staff report. And it looks to me like there were maybe even six with Jane Kendall. It looked like their term, Jane Kendall's term expired in June Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry, I was looking that wrong. Yeah, you're right, it's four. It looks like it's four to me. |
| 05:41:40.73 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, let's vote on the floor tonight, have Heidi confirm what's going on with the other members and then we can always come back at our next meeting. |
| 05:41:51.73 | Jill Hoffman | Do we want to do an alternate? Do we want to do who is the one that you recommended? Yeah, do we want to do her as an alternate? And so that when someone drops out, then she'll just automatically, if she wants to, assume the seat. |
| 05:42:07.57 | Joe Burns | if we can, provide an alternate without having an alternate. I don't know if an alternate's been named on that. commission in the structure. because we didn't- |
| 05:42:14.86 | Tricia Smith | I believe we had an alternate there once before. |
| 05:42:18.39 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so let's do this. We're gonna appoint the four people named by Joe. If there is an alternate position already existing, we will, had. Heidi Kirsch, if there is not, we will just wait until we reevaluate the situation. |
| 05:42:37.70 | Unknown | OK. |
| 05:42:38.27 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So Heidi, can you call the roll on that, on those nominations? |
| 05:42:43.53 | Heidi Scoble | Council member Hoffman? Yes. Council member Burns? Yes. Thank you. Council member Cox? Yes. Vice Mayor Withey? Thank you. |
| 05:42:51.31 | Ray Withy | Yes. |
| 05:42:51.35 | Heidi Scoble | Yeah. that. Mayor Cleveland Knowles. Yes. |
| 05:42:55.25 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So those nominations are approved for zero. Okay. um Do we need to vote on vice mayor with these selected as the League of Cities annual conference voting delegate? |
| 05:43:13.93 | Ray Withy | Well, considering it's already passed, |
| 05:43:16.61 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:43:16.91 | Ray Withy | I think it's sort of a moot point. |
| 05:43:20.24 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, well, we acknowledge We acknowledge and thank you for your service. |
| 05:43:25.05 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:43:25.06 | Joan Cox | to ratify his participation in that role. |
| 05:43:25.35 | Ray Withy | Thank you. |
| 05:43:28.13 | Joan Cox | I'm sorry. |
| 05:43:28.49 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:43:28.54 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:43:28.61 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:43:28.73 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:43:29.27 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So we accept the resignation, we're now accepting the resignation of Park and Recreation Commissioner Ken Schwarz. Jondreau Lama and Jamie Brannan Miles and considering appointments. Um, I did just want to note that we had a really interesting candidate apply for the Parks and Recreation Commission and raised an issue that we hadn't discussed before. It's we had Emily. |
| 05:43:58.36 | Tricia Smith | Emily. |
| 05:43:59.66 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yes, who was a very qualified and enthusiastic candidate but for council member Hoffman who wasn't here she is 16. And so we don't have, it turns out we don't have a policy. on age. he would be. able unless we want to adopt a policy at some future time she would be able to to serve. so i did just want to if there's any discussion on that issue just to open that up. |
| 05:44:30.79 | Jill Hoffman | Which one, I'm sorry, which candidate was that? And please, don't. |
| 05:44:35.70 | Joe Burns | We don't have a policy on age, so we then have to open up it. Or since we don't have a policy, we're just good to go. Anybody, anybody. |
| 05:44:42.59 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. I'm just good to go. |
| 05:44:44.41 | Joe Burns | Okay. |
| 05:44:44.46 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 05:44:46.12 | Joe Burns | Can I make a comment? Napa had a program and I don't know if they still had it, but they had a junior parks program where they had high schoolers sit on a park commission. because of the relationship between parks and high school Yeah. |
| 05:45:01.42 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, well, one of the things that Emily recommended and or suggested in her letter of application was that if we did not select her or that she was not qualified due to age. that we consider having like junior ambassadors to various commissions. |
| 05:45:20.49 | Joe Burns | I would say that seven person committee, I would, and she was forthright in saying she's not going to finish her term. And I thought that was a nice thing to say to let us know that she will probably go off to college before her three-year term is up. That within that period of time that we maybe do strain, change the structure to seek a. high school person for a seat to replace her going forward. So we have one high schooler, and I think it's a great idea. I know it worked well in Napa when you had that representation. We have a seven-person committee, and I think having that population would be an opportunity for us. |
| 05:46:00.55 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | So are we suggesting we nominate her for a two-year term? |
| 05:46:05.70 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. Sure. |
| 05:46:07.35 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 05:46:07.74 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 05:46:10.27 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, and then we had some other good qualified candidates. Are there other, and Amanda just for everybody who's keeping track on our list is now off. disaster. |
| 05:46:20.80 | Councilmember Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:46:20.82 | Joan Cox | disaster. |
| 05:46:21.17 | Councilmember Cox | preparedness. |
| 05:46:22.03 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | disaster preparedness. |
| 05:46:23.52 | Joan Cox | I was really impressed with Patrick Ward and I think the staff report recommends we continue that we allow Beth Rowe to go to the second term. Great. |
| 05:46:36.24 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:46:36.28 | Joan Cox | you |
| 05:46:36.33 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:46:36.34 | Joan Cox | Thank you. |
| 05:46:36.49 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 05:46:36.83 | Joe Burns | And I really liked Rhonda last week. In fact, that last meeting, I would have actually hired both on the spot. So. So we get to do three. Well, |
| 05:46:48.76 | Jill Hoffman | Well... Thank you. Here's my question too. Is Raylene, okay, so her term expired in June. of 2019, it looks like in the staff report. So is that an open? |
| 05:47:02.48 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Hoffman, this is Heidi Scoble, the city clerk. There's actually a typo there. It should be 2022. The term did expire in 2022. |
| 05:47:07.14 | Jill Hoffman | be |
| 05:47:11.83 | Heidi Scoble | 19, but it was extended. So I apologize for that typo. |
| 05:47:16.24 | Jill Hoffman | That's great. Thanks. |
| 05:47:17.50 | Heidi Scoble | And there are four positions available on the Park and Recs Committee. |
| 05:47:22.24 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so we just gave one to Emily. |
| 05:47:24.52 | Joan Cox | And then we're continuing with Beth. |
| 05:47:27.76 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 05:47:27.81 | KC | Mm-hmm. |
| 05:47:28.13 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 05:47:28.69 | Joan Cox | So I agree with Joe. |
| 05:47:28.71 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 05:47:28.72 | KC | So, |
| 05:47:30.87 | Joan Cox | on Rachel and THAN TONIGHT. I really liked Patrick. Thank you. |
| 05:47:37.16 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | to Rhonda Gutenberg and Patrick Ford. Right. |
| 05:47:41.24 | Jill Hoffman | I'd like to also give a shout out to Bruce. I've worked with him... on various things. And I think he's very enthusiastic and he'd be good on it too. And if not, do we have You know, do we have alternates for Same kind of question. Do we have alternates for Parks and Rec as well? |
| 05:48:03.16 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | I don't know how it is, you know, happened to now. |
| 05:48:06.83 | Heidi Scoble | Yes, Mayor Cleveland Knowles, I believe we have had alternates in the past. I'm just looking at our database and it does look like that. |
| 05:48:15.67 | Joe Burns | We did have an alternate prior to going seven. I know that. I don't know if we kept it when we went to seven, but when I was on it, I have an alternate. |
| 05:48:24.43 | Jill Hoffman | I like alternates because it makes for a smooth transition if someone has to leave in the middle of their term. |
| 05:48:28.26 | KC | THE COUNTRY. |
| 05:48:31.41 | Jill Hoffman | I just think it's good for continuity. |
| 05:48:33.67 | Joan Cox | if our ordinance allows alternates, it would be fine with me to have i don't know him personally but it sounds as though he's bruce has done a lot for sausalito with the um with the wine event and other activities so i'd be |
| 05:48:50.53 | Joe Burns | I'd put you to, just because Patrick's brand new to our community. And not that that's a bad thing, but Bruce has been around. |
| 05:49:01.04 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so we are recommending, it sounds like, Rhonda Gutenberg, Emily Stelfer to your term and Beth Rowe. and Bruce Woodward, and if possible, Patrick Ward as an alternate. And if we have to come back to create the alternate position, we'll ask staff to do that and appoint. Patrick at our next meeting. Was that? with everyone's understanding. Heidi, does that, do you understand that? |
| 05:49:32.03 | Heidi Scoble | Yes, I do. |
| 05:49:34.86 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | And could you call the role? |
| 05:49:37.21 | Heidi Scoble | Yes, I can, Councilmember Hoffman. Yes. Councilmember Burns? Thank you. |
| 05:49:43.86 | KC | Yes. |
| 05:49:43.87 | Heidi Scoble | Yeah. Councilmember Cox? Yes. Vice Mayor Withey? Yes. Mayor Cleveland Knowles? |
| 05:49:45.83 | Joan Cox | Yeah. |
| 05:49:47.96 | KC | Yes. |
| 05:49:50.34 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Bye. Great, that motion passes five zero. And I did forget to say that Jamie Bruni-Miles, who did resign, did so, he became the head of the YMCA in San Francisco and is moving there, but that's a great, really great position. So congratulations to him. Okay, I think. like that. or future agenda items. |
| 05:50:18.86 | Joan Cox | So Mayor, we had two public comment letters from Ting Lee and from the EDAC. |
| 05:50:20.76 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah. |
| 05:50:29.17 | Joan Cox | that I think the best way to approach them perhaps is to consider them as future agenda items. |
| 05:50:40.40 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, so let's add them to future agenda items. I did think on the EDAC prioritization that A couple of those should be sent back to the EDAC for further refinement on some of the recommendations. or further like public input gathering, but we can do that at a different meeting when it's agendized. But I want to thank both. EDAC and the Sustainability Commission for reaching out. to us on those issues. Was there anything? |
| 05:51:17.73 | Mayor Cleveland Knowles | There was one other public comment tonight that we talked about, but I can't remember what it was. It's 1249. We'll add it later. All right, well, apologies for this length of this meeting, but it was a lot of... important and good work so thank you everyone and uh to those just got a text from Mary that she got booted out of the meeting but we'll just let her stay out and let her go home hopefully we did everything we were supposed to do tonight So thank you everyone who stayed with us and I hope everyone has a good night. |
| 05:51:58.84 | Joan Cox | Thanks. Good night. Good night. Bye-bye. |
| 05:52:02.30 | Carlito Berg | Thank you. |
| 05:52:04.04 | Heidi Scoble | And I- |