| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:00:01.23 | Heidi Scoble | And our computer is thinking. |
| 00:00:08.62 | Heidi Scoble | Great. Good afternoon, Mayor Hoffman and Council Members. This meeting is being held pursuant to section three of executive order N-29-20. issued by Governor Newsom on March 17, 2020. an executive order N8-21 issued by Governor Newsom on June 2021. All members are joining this meeting telephonically through Zoom and it's broadcast live on the city's website. |
| 00:00:37.24 | Jill Hoffman | Good afternoon and welcome to the special city council meeting for July 19th. 2021. Serge, can you please take the roll? |
| 00:00:48.06 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Sobieski? here. Councilmember Blasdene? |
| 00:00:52.55 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:00:52.56 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:00:52.58 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:00:53.71 | Heidi Scoble | Council Member Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:00:55.80 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:00:55.82 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 00:00:56.80 | Heidi Scoble | Vice Mayor Kelman. |
| 00:00:58.20 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 00:00:59.08 | Heidi Scoble | Mayor Hoffman. |
| 00:01:00.39 | Jill Hoffman | Here. All members are |
| 00:01:02.32 | Heidi Scoble | All members are present and there is a forum. |
| 00:01:05.49 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thanks, George. This meeting is for the specific purpose of appointing members to our Housing Element Advisory Committee um i don't think that we have a presentation of our staff report or any presentation from the Staff, this is just specifically to a point Council members that we have already interviewed and to move forward. And so We have one item on our agenda today. It's a point three to five community members. and two city council members. Sorry. Sorry. Today, we're just appointing, sorry, I'm just looking at the agenda. Today, we're just appointing three to five community members to our housing element advisory committee. So. Before we take public comment on that, I suppose, We could... I believe we've already decided that we're gonna do five. with one alternate. And so does everybody agree that that's what we're doing today? Yes. OK. |
| 00:02:07.37 | Heidi Scoble | And Madam Mayor, if I may, I believe we still need to take a roll vote for the approval of the agenda. |
| 00:02:13.63 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, you're right. Do I have a motion for approval of the agenda for today? some of the |
| 00:02:21.00 | Heidi Scoble | Second. |
| 00:02:22.24 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, go ahead, Serge, take the roll. Thank you for reminding me of that. |
| 00:02:25.75 | Heidi Scoble | Of course, Council Member Sobieski? Councilmember Blosdy. |
| 00:02:30.98 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 00:02:31.03 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 00:02:32.14 | Heidi Scoble | Council member Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:02:34.08 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 00:02:34.12 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 00:02:35.08 | Heidi Scoble | Vice Mayor Kelman. |
| 00:02:36.44 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 00:02:37.24 | Heidi Scoble | and Mayor Hoffman. |
| 00:02:38.50 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. So the motion passes 5-0, thank you very much. Our business item today, 1A, So we're going to appoint five community members plus one to our housing element advisory committee. And so I will at this point open uh public comment for this one item on our agenda |
| 00:03:05.60 | Jill Hoffman | Mm. |
| 00:03:05.72 | Heidi Scoble | Madam Mayor, it does not appear as we have any rates hands at the moment. |
| 00:03:10.69 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, great, thank you. Thank you. Then I will close public comment on this agenda item. For the city council members, I'll remind you the process. We're just calling out the names. um and we're going to tally the votes just like we did with edac And so order, I'm going to propose the following order, which is our two housing element working group members first. Obviously. because they have been working on this and obviously want to see how their votes are. I was going to do either Council Member Sobieski or Council Member Blaustein next and then me last. And Council Member Blaustein, I see that you have your hand up. Did you have a question? |
| 00:03:53.82 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to follow up on the matrix that we had received because I noticed that we were missing Paul Austin from the matrix but I know he missed his interview, but it was due to extenuating circumstances he sent us a really thoughtful letter about why he wants to participate and I know that we've received some letters. um, about his support, about him as a great candidate. So I was just like to ask if we could add him back or if I could just independently, I mean, what that process would be since he wasn't in the candidate pool. So my understanding is |
| 00:04:25.24 | Jill Hoffman | Well, my understanding is... Well, my understanding and recollection from our last council meeting, and I would hope that we would not digress into this kind of conversation at this point, I mean, Apparently we may. Our last city council member meeting The only reason that we were delaying our vote was to, so that council member Blaustein could prepare and look at her notes from the past. and that we all agreed we weren't doing any more interviews, that we were only voting on people that we had interviewed. That's it. And that's what we said, that's what we all agreed to And that's, why we're here today, only to take the vote and to finalize the vote. So. That's why he was taking off the matrix because per our agreement, We all agreed we were not going to do any more interviews. There were other people that were not interviewed that were on the list. you know, and we, we all agree we were not gonna go back for it. And so now I see council members Cleo Knoll. at this point, I guess we'll see what Councilmember Cleveland-Knowles has to say, If we're going to digress into what we agreed to at our last city council meeting, then we may have to pause and go back and look and see what we all agreed to, because I'm pretty clear about what we agreed to. So council member Clemenos, I see that your hand's up. |
| 00:05:47.10 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Yeah, thank you, Mayor Hoffman. I definitely agree that we decided not to add any candidates to the housing element advisory committee list, which was allowed for our process. But I do not recall that we had any agreement that we would not be able to choose anyone who had not interviewed. So I think the list is still the list, So I don't have that same recollection from that. |
| 00:06:13.48 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, then let's pause and go back and look, because it was very clear that We were going to vote. We wanted to vote last. that our last city council meeting It was on our agenda to vote at our last city council meeting. Councilmember Blaustein said that she needed more time to look at her notes |
| 00:06:24.07 | Unknown | It was on the show. |
| 00:06:30.69 | Jill Hoffman | and that we agreed to give her that courtesy to look at our notes. And now I see that both you and Councilmember Blossian appear to be wanting to open up the process back up. And that is not what we agreed to. That's not what we told the public we were going to do. And I can't support that. I'm sorry. So we just have to, Thank you. you know, vote in accord with what we decided we were going to do at our last meeting. and move forward. Anyway. So, Okay, I see now the vice mayor has her hand up, go ahead. |
| 00:07:02.56 | Janelle Kellman | Yeah, I just thank you for that Mayor Hoffman. And I appreciate where Council Member Blaustein is coming from, but I think I have to defer to that recollection that you had Mayor Hoffman. We were very clear about the meaning and the purpose of the laying in, I just a little disconcerting to think that we might be changing that process and that agreement. I mean, I was ready to vote. I think others were ready to vote. It was just about reviewing notes. And I think had we voted that night, Anybody who had not been interviewed would not have been on the voting you know, up for a vote. Um, I have the same recollection as you do. And I think it opens a whole can of worms if we started looking at people who haven't been interviewed. I tend to agree that tonight was just about you know, giving your top five, that was the agreement that we made. You specifically said We're only going to vote on people that we interviewed. We all said yes. So I support that. |
| 00:08:01.66 | Melissa Blaustein | with all he was on the worksheet that we received on Friday. So I just, and he was removed late this afternoon. So I just wanted to make that. that chain over. |
| 00:08:09.19 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 00:08:09.76 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:08:09.79 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 00:08:09.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:08:10.64 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, the worksheet was in error. And he shouldn't have been on it. And there was another error on the worksheet, and now it's corrected, too. Okay. |
| 00:08:15.99 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So can we just vote on whether we're going to consider Paul Austin or not and then just- |
| 00:08:20.00 | Jill Hoffman | Well, no, I think I'm going to go back and look at the video and see, because now you guys want to digress into some other, I'd rather not create a |
| 00:08:28.96 | Melissa Blaustein | I don't want to compare. |
| 00:08:30.33 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:08:30.35 | Melissa Blaustein | Okay, anyway, go ahead. Whatever you want to do, Madam Mayor. It was on the worksheet. It was on the worksheet. And so when I was making my considerations, it was based on the worksheet. And so. |
| 00:08:41.62 | Jill Hoffman | Well, that was an error that we discussed. I discussed with staff today, or I discussed with our city manager today. So that was corrected. And I'm sorry that that created some confusion, there was no confusion on my part about what our |
| 00:08:52.67 | Unknown | No communication. |
| 00:08:54.82 | Jill Hoffman | are what are mission is here today. So are we ready to go ahead and vote? in accordance with who we've got on our worksheets now. |
| 00:09:04.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So Paul Austin was on my list last week and he's still on my list. So can I still just vote for him? |
| 00:09:12.26 | Ian Sobieski | No. |
| 00:09:13.02 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I would have voted for him last Tuesday night and I would still vote for him. |
| 00:09:16.72 | Jill Hoffman | If we're gonna digress into this, then I'm gonna go back and look at the video and see if you agree to |
| 00:09:16.97 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:09:22.21 | Jill Hoffman | because we're not going to, we're not going to, I think it's very, It undermines the integrity of this process if at our vote, Like we have a special city council meeting. just to accommodate. Councilmember Blaustein and her need to look at her notes. |
| 00:09:38.42 | Melissa Blaustein | He was on my list when I was reviewing my notes. And so I just did my own defense here. |
| 00:09:41.42 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. STILL. He was not interviewed. He had not been interviewed at the time. There were other people that have not been interviewed. We are not voting on people who have not been interviewed. That was the agreement of the city council. So, Are we ready to vote now or do we need to take a pause? Thank you. |
| 00:10:02.81 | Janelle Kellman | I'm ready to vote. I know there was another candidate, Julietta Gizmondi, who was unable to attend and you didn't interview her. |
| 00:10:02.94 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 00:10:11.72 | Janelle Kellman | I think it just, it opens a strange can of worms. So just from a procedural perspective, I think, I do think the agreement was to delay, to review notes, to vote on the people that we interviewed. |
| 00:10:22.82 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I really just didn't even hear that at all. I mean, we said we were going to pause. and not, |
| 00:10:28.76 | Jill Hoffman | That's correct. |
| 00:10:29.22 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.37 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.38 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.62 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.75 | Jill Hoffman | I'm not. |
| 00:10:29.91 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:10:29.94 | Jill Hoffman | I mean, |
| 00:10:29.96 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I mean, |
| 00:10:30.82 | Jill Hoffman | We're going to pause for a few minutes, and I'm going to go back and look at the tape. |
| 00:10:31.04 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I actually... |
| 00:10:34.18 | Jill Hoffman | because I'm not gonna sit here, there's a tape. So if you're... If someone thinks that that's not what we said and what we agreed to, that's then I'm going to go back and look at it because I remember the public. I watched the for the the purpose for what this was called for. for noticing this meeting. |
| 00:10:53.65 | Ian Sobieski | notice. |
| 00:10:53.97 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:10:56.69 | Jill Hoffman | it. We are voting on people who have been interviewed and I'm about |
| 00:11:01.97 | Melissa Blaustein | you I watched the tape and we say, essentially, we've interviewed 24 people. We have a candidate pool, but from my recollection and we can rewatch it, we don't say we are limiting our vote to those who were interviewed or this is who our candidate pool is. So I just want to clarify that that was my understanding of it and that those two members, both Julieta and Paul were on our working group, on our list because they had been considered. So they were part of the list that we were given for consideration going forward. |
| 00:11:31.06 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. And? What do you think? Mayor, Mayor. |
| 00:11:35.06 | Unknown | Well, I guess, I mean, it's turning on this question of what we agreed to. |
| 00:11:35.21 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:11:40.33 | Unknown | it's, the inclination to see what we agreed to Seems like it needs to be done. Otherwise, if we just make a staff decision now, I think, unnecessarily stressed over what we agree to. But there's also a related question, honestly, Mayor, whether, well certainly if people agreed that, because I don't remember what we agreed to, if we agreed that we were only going to choose among the people who interviewed Um, then, That's the agreement. And if it's not, then presumably people will be free to vote for. people that weren't in the community. |
| 00:12:16.51 | Jill Hoffman | Oh boy. Okay. |
| 00:12:17.81 | Unknown | Right. Well, okay. |
| 00:12:18.78 | Jill Hoffman | Well, okay, if we're going down this rabbit hole, then I don't know if we're ready then So, okay, we're going to pause. We're gonna spend the time to go back and look at the video and everybody, we're gonna come back. So I guess we're gonna pause for 20 minutes. And we're going to go back and we're going to look at the video and then we'll come back on. So, I'll be back in 20 minutes. |
| 00:12:45.97 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. 30 Mayor Hoffman, you want a little bit more time? |
| 00:12:50.34 | Jill Hoffman | It shouldn't take me that long. I mean, it was in the last 10 minutes of our meeting, from what I recall. So, okay. |
| 00:29:40.60 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, I think I see it's 430. I see everybody's back on. I did go back and watch the last 10-15 minutes of our city council meeting where we were talking about whether or not we were gonna vote or not, the sole purpose from my review was that council member Blastie needed more time And that council member Cleveland Knowles could use a little extra time and to review their notes and to vote. At no time did we discuss that we were gonna vote for people who had not been interviewed. At no time did we ever all agree that we were going to vote on people that hadn't been interviewed or that we were going to go through any type of process. for interviewing or offering an interview people who did not make their interviews. It's very clear. Councilman Blaston, you said you watched it. If you can point me to a time IN THAT. you know, or anybody else, a time. |
| 00:30:31.96 | Melissa Blaustein | I'm happy to. I watched it again just now. And, and I said at the time, you know, at the time of the vote, when I asked for more time, I said, it's because we have 59 candidates and 24 interviews. And at no point did I say, we're only gonna, we're only gonna vote for the people that are interviewed. And in fact, when it came up on the screen, Paul Austin's name was there, as was Hamila's, which for me was an understanding of who we were going to vote for. And I will repeat what I said at that meeting, which is why I asked for more time, which is that it's critically important that this committee is representative of all of our communities. And I have advocated since the beginning for us to have a voice from Marin City in this conversation. And I think that Paul Austin would be an excellent voice, which is why I'm pushing so hard for this. It's really critical that we have a diverse group and everybody is represented. And so I and and I also else i went back through we said the process would be call out your top five or six top vote getters are on our committee and we move on at no point did we say it's the top five or six from the 24 people who have been interviewed |
| 00:31:30.00 | Jill Hoffman | So- |
| 00:31:30.01 | Melissa Blaustein | So- |
| 00:31:30.94 | Jill Hoffman | So we're, I understand. |
| 00:31:30.96 | Melissa Blaustein | No. |
| 00:31:32.73 | Jill Hoffman | We are absolutely digressing from what the public understands we were going to do tonight because we had a working group that whittled down the 52 candidates and now council member Blaustein is wanting to open it up to all 52 candidates. And to vote on people that no one has interviewed. |
| 00:31:44.93 | Unknown | and to the |
| 00:31:47.51 | Jill Hoffman | And so I am not you know, unless there's you know, I don't see that we're going to be able to vote tonight. So Or today. Thank you. |
| 00:31:58.14 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:31:58.16 | Jill Hoffman | Can I bring the mic? |
| 00:31:58.21 | Janelle Kellman | Can I read it? Christmas. Yeah. Um, I'm really disturbed by this conversation. I absolutely think it's critical that we have diversity across a range of criteria, which is why the working group spent such a long time going through it and reviewing it. And everything I took, from a review of that tape. The only reason we did not vote that night was because one of the council members wanted more time to review her notes. And another council member specifically says an important decision, it's get it right. And at hour 340, The mayor says. We have our people that we've interviewed and we have our candidate pool. And that to me, in every sense of the agreement we made, was that we were interviewing I was finished and a candidate pool was from the folks we interviewed. I think we, honestly, I understand that somebody didn't show up for an interview. Procedurally, I think we're going down a slippery slope here. I'm disturbed because we made an agreement to facilitate additional review time. feel really uncomfortable that it's now outside the scope. I think at hour three, 40 minutes on that video, it's very clear we're voting on people we interviewed and it makes me very hesitant to defer votes in the future. if the rules of the game are going to change. And I think we're all trying to be accommodating at the late hour and it's going to probably happen again. And we're going to have to take a second look. So look, the members of the community The staff reports everything we had indicated we were going to vote. We didn't do it. Individuals wanted more time to review. We gave more time to review. I think I do not agree that we were interviewing people or voting on people who were not interviewed. I think it opens up a whole procedural can of worms for us both from a public comment perspective and from people who took the time and were able to attend the interviews. At least let us know if they couldn't attend an interview. We moved at least one individual in the first round who let us know she couldn't attend. So I just think procedurally, It would be a big mistake. |
| 00:33:56.98 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. So I think also it, look, we know that this, This committee is going to be doing very tough work. and very under Every recommendation this community makes is going to come under great scrutiny. We have to maintain the integrity of this process We can't not comply with what we agreed to do and go forward at our city council meeting or open meeting and now changing and open it out. doing a completely different process. So, I think that's incredibly important because this committee needs credibility from now until the time when we finish our housing element. And this is just the first step. We can't undermine the integrity of this group and the credibility of this group at the outset. And so it was If there's a motion for us to go forward with the vote, I'll entertain it. Mr. Maynard, what motion to do, what type of vote to vote? Now with regard to people, only people that we've interviewed. I'll make that motion. Do I have a second? |
| 00:35:07.60 | Jill Hoffman | I'll second it. Okay, then could I have the clerk call the roll? |
| 00:35:13.20 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So mayor, I'm just, I would vote for a motion that is more limited, but I'm not going to vote for this motion. |
| 00:35:21.13 | Jill Hoffman | What are you proposing an amendment to my motion? |
| 00:35:24.98 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Well, I don't, I mean, I'm just, we've... I think that where we received a notification that someone who was not able to be at their interview was not able to be there, That could certainly be something that causes one person to vote for that person or one person not to. I feel like that person did reach out to the council should be considered. Thank you. |
| 00:35:47.34 | Janelle Kellman | AND I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT |
| 00:35:47.36 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | So it's not a question to me of all 59 people who applied versus the people that interviewed. I guess that's all I wanted to clarify. |
| 00:35:47.63 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:35:47.78 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:35:47.80 | Jill Hoffman | I just- |
| 00:35:48.22 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:35:48.24 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:35:55.39 | Jill Hoffman | Well, I don't think we should be voting on people that we haven't interviewed. So I'm going to... motions on the table and and we have a second on that motion so i understood that councilmember cleveland knowles you don't want to vote for that motion that's fine If we don't vote, You know, if we don't have a motion to vote, tonight and go forward, address that so if i could have the clerk call the role then |
| 00:36:18.39 | Melissa Blaustein | How would we address it? I just like to understand what the next steps would be. |
| 00:36:21.73 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. I don't know council member Blaustein, we're trying to get this done. And so we can't continually accommodate your you know, discomforts with the process, even though we've agreed to something. So there was no doubt about what we were going to do at the last city council meeting. We were there, we had interviewed candidates, we were gonna vote, you asked for more time. And if you're gonna lead us down more rabbit holes, I don't think that's appropriate. And I'm sorry, but I just have to call that out. So, I don't know what you mean or where you want to go with this, but I think we have to call this at an end and we have to maintain, like I said, maintain the integrity of the process that our working group came up with that we've all complied with and we all agreed to follow. And now, I'm very displeased that we're on this course. So I would like, there's a motion on the table. This person was on the short list. |
| 00:37:10.97 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 00:37:11.02 | Jill Hoffman | as nominated |
| 00:37:11.97 | Melissa Blaustein | and we're going to have a |
| 00:37:12.04 | Jill Hoffman | AND THEN SENT A LETTER |
| 00:37:12.97 | Melissa Blaustein | I'm sorry. |
| 00:37:13.00 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I really think we should stop our conversation. |
| 00:37:13.03 | Jill Hoffman | I'm holding up. |
| 00:37:13.79 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:37:14.26 | Jill Hoffman | to stop our conversation. |
| 00:37:14.86 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:37:15.02 | Jill Hoffman | our working group and we receive so I'm just I really think that we should stop the conversation at this point and take the vote because I think you're digressing now into something that's not particularly appropriate for this. I probably, I would have voted. I mean, that's what I mean. |
| 00:37:31.31 | Unknown | I believe |
| 00:37:31.36 | Unknown | Right? I'd like to hear what Melissa has to say, please, if you don't mind. |
| 00:37:35.36 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:37:35.39 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 00:37:36.08 | Unknown | Okay. Here's still muted. So let's go. |
| 00:37:36.12 | Melissa Blaustein | Okay. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. The reason that this is even being considered is just the fact that he's on the worksheet that we received on Friday as well. And we also received a letter from this person indicating continued interest. I didn't know until 2 PM this afternoon when I received the email with the roster that he was no longer on it or 12 PM, whenever the email came in from Heidi. So that is just to make that point of clarification. The reason that I'm pushing back for this is not because I want to continue process. It's because part of the conversation that we've had this entire time is about the importance of representation on this committee and considering folks from Marin city and how important that is in this moment and this time. And I went back also during this period to look at his application where he wrote, I would like to be a voice for those who cannot stand up for themselves. So I'm sorry if I'm making a big deal about this, but it's critically important in my mind. Well, we had some really great |
| 00:38:28.34 | Unknown | We have some really great- Mayor, if I might just say something just because- I know the motions related to what we may have agreed to, and it pains me this is a curveball. I hadn't expected it at all, but, In my own thinking, when I liked Mr. Solis' application a lot, but to my own mind, he didn't show up to the interview and, my mind that was a a negative and the only time I heard from, I liked his letter, but I only heard from him yesterday. And as far as I know, there wasn't a heads up about him missing his interview ahead of time or contemporaneous of missing interview. So another way of thinking about it is whether that's a disqualifying application. You all made me know him better than me, and there's lots of reasons to take another look, but given the obvious stress on this narrow point, I'm inclined to side with the idea We should only be looking at people who we actually interviewed. I know that's not, something we necessarily agreed to in black and white writing, Clearly there's a strong feeling here and And that's my My personal evaluation of the candidates was based on whether they showed up to the interview or not. And so I was inclined not to vote for Paul Austin, even though I liked his application and support in the community because of that issue. I just want you to... particularly, but |
| 00:39:52.28 | Jill Hoffman | So we have a lot of good candidates. One of the things I didn't want to get into, and I have found to be, the harmful actually to to citizen participation is when as council member blousing just did you advocate for one over all the others. during this selection process and so that's why I've repeatedly said I don't think that we should advocate I think we just need to give our votes and move on because this is what we agreed to, this is the process. And I'm not happy that now we're having this big dramatic exercise when it was pretty clear to me at our last city council meeting what we were supposed to do that night. And it was pretty clear to me what we were supposed to do today. And so we have a lot of good candidates we have, diversity candidates still on our list right now. We have candidates that are well qualified with regard to social justice and environmental justice on our list right now ready for us to vote on. And so I'm ready to vote for those right now. So all of the demographics that Councilman Blossom just talked about, You know, we have non, We have 94965 candidates on our list right now. We have diversity candidates on our list right now. We have renters. We have all of the diversity that we were looking for in this exercise on our list right now. ready for us to go forward. So, I would like to end the discussion at this point There's a motion on the, if we need to do a motion, then let's do the motion and let's move on and make our selections. So I would like to call the motion. THEIR HANDS OF THEIR HANDS OF Mr. Clerk, could you please call the motion? |
| 00:41:33.33 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Sobieski? I'm... Yes. Councilmember Blavstein? |
| 00:41:39.34 | Ian Sobieski | I guess. |
| 00:41:41.18 | Heidi Scoble | Councilmember Glivlet-Knowles. |
| 00:41:51.08 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Sorry, no. very good. |
| 00:41:52.97 | Janelle Kellman | MEDICAL. |
| 00:41:54.47 | Heidi Scoble | Vice Mayor Kellman. |
| 00:41:56.36 | Janelle Kellman | And to be clear, this is the motion Go ahead and vote on the folks who have interviewed and correct the motion that the mayor made. Yes. |
| 00:42:04.11 | Heidi Scoble | And Mayor Hoffman. |
| 00:42:05.29 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:42:05.31 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 00:42:05.70 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:42:06.84 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. The process that I would propose that we do is I think I already said this, Council member the two working group members first and then either council member sobieski or council member blasting and then i'll vote last if that's acceptable then let's go ahead and either Susan or Jenelle, Either one of you guys. and start. |
| 00:42:34.69 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:42:34.72 | Janelle Kellman | Fine. Vice mayor, you want to go ahead? I'm happy to. So I'm going to give five and I believe no particular order. Is that correct, Mayor Hoffman? |
| 00:42:43.06 | Jill Hoffman | Right. Six, actually, no particular, because we're doing an alternate. Are we... Are we voting in the alternate? I think we're just doing six, right? How are the... |
| 00:42:50.75 | Janelle Kellman | How are the five and then the alternate comes out of that. Uh, extra. |
| 00:42:56.34 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so we're given five names. |
| 00:42:58.19 | Janelle Kellman | Yeah. Great. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. Let's go in order of them down. Joan Cox. Mary Griffin. Kenneka Hendrick. Craig Merrilees. on Stuart. |
| 00:43:17.20 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:43:17.23 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. Um, So I have Mary Griffin. . |
| 00:43:25.03 | Heidi Scoble | Can we hold on one second? I'm sorry. |
| 00:43:27.30 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm sorry. |
| 00:43:27.32 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:43:27.37 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | I'm sorry, sure. |
| 00:43:28.55 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:43:30.07 | Heidi Scoble | and |
| 00:43:30.97 | Ian Sobieski | Oh, thanks. |
| 00:43:31.78 | Heidi Scoble | Mayor Kellman, would you mind repeating those again? my computer was not working at the moment. |
| 00:43:38.26 | Janelle Kellman | Yeah, and no problem. And actually, let me just pause. Mayor Huffman, do you want to take public comment now or after we vote? |
| 00:43:43.96 | Jill Hoffman | So let's see. Let's vote, let's get the vote. Shit. Sorry, sorry, apologies to everybody. I love you. Yeah, I'm sorry. Dang it. Yeah, public comment. Not that I don't love public comments, No, I recall for public comment, didn't I? We already did public comment. |
| 00:44:02.76 | Heidi Scoble | Madam Mayor, you did call for public comment at the beginning of, |
| 00:44:07.26 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 00:44:07.89 | Heidi Scoble | but, If you would like me to comment again, |
| 00:44:11.41 | Jill Hoffman | No, we're done. Okay, go ahead. So sorry. Tells my security surgeon |
| 00:44:18.92 | Heidi Scoble | Yeah. pulling up the screen back up and Sorry about that, Vice Mayor Killman. I'm- |
| 00:44:24.46 | Janelle Kellman | California. |
| 00:44:24.80 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. was your first choice? |
| 00:44:26.43 | Janelle Kellman | So just in a particular order, Joan Cox, Mary Griffin. KANIKA HENDREK. Craig Merrily's John Stewart. |
| 00:44:40.34 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:44:53.59 | Janelle Kellman | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles is next. Thank you. |
| 00:44:55.81 | Ian Sobieski | I'm not going to be a |
| 00:44:55.88 | Janelle Kellman | I'm going to go. |
| 00:44:55.90 | Heidi Scoble | Yes. |
| 00:44:56.03 | Ian Sobieski | surgery ready now? |
| 00:44:56.27 | Janelle Kellman | I'm going to go. Thank you. |
| 00:44:57.92 | Heidi Scoble | Oh, go ahead. Thank you. |
| 00:44:59.46 | Ian Sobieski | Okay, Mary Griffin. Jenny Silva. |
| 00:45:08.05 | Ian Sobieski | Nicholas Rose. |
| 00:45:20.35 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Melanie and Maharshan, |
| 00:45:25.95 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | John Stewart, and then I actually had an alternate, Paul Hall. And I also had the two planning commissioners, Christina Feller and Andrew Junius. |
| 00:45:40.28 | Jill Hoffman | So, Hold on, but we, so we decided to do just five. We're not gonna, we're not gonna vote for alternates. We're just gonna do five and the alternate will come out of that, out of the five. But we |
| 00:45:50.76 | Heidi Scoble | We have five. |
| 00:45:51.06 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. In the past for EDAC, we all voted for who our alternate was. |
| 00:45:57.39 | Janelle Kellman | but I think we agreed on that alternate. We certainly might have, but I think it's important to get our five down. and see some alignment on that. |
| 00:46:06.13 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay, well then you can take the last one I had off then Paul Hall, you can take it. So. |
| 00:46:12.80 | Heidi Scoble | Okay. |
| 00:46:13.03 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Okay. |
| 00:46:13.10 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:46:13.27 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:46:13.34 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. done. |
| 00:46:14.33 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | And then according to the staff report, I think we're also choosing planning commissioners. And so I had Chair Feller and Andrew Junius. |
| 00:46:26.38 | Jill Hoffman | but let's do planning commissioners later. Can we do that? Okay. Okay. Okay. So for, I just wanna make sure. Okay, great. Okay. Um, I don't care either Melissa or Ian |
| 00:46:43.42 | Unknown | I'll go. And you chose DuMont. Mary Griffin, so Michelle Dumont, Mary Griffin, Nicholas Rose, Jenny Silva and Patty Zavalos. |
| 00:46:54.02 | Heidi Scoble | Ian, I apologize, Council Member Sobieski, would you mind going back to that? Michelle Dumont. Okay. |
| 00:47:02.85 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:47:03.64 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:47:03.66 | Unknown | Mary Griffin. Nicholas Rose. Jenny Silva. and, Patty Izabalos. |
| 00:47:17.16 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:47:17.51 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:47:18.17 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:47:18.64 | Heidi Scoble | I wear. |
| 00:47:19.52 | Jill Hoffman | Mrs. Pregnick. Thank you. |
| 00:47:24.75 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you, council members. |
| 00:47:29.34 | Melissa Blaustein | OK. I had, oh, sorry, Mayor, do you have to say? No. Okay. Jenny Silva. Nicholas Rose. Kenneka, Hendrick. Um, Paul Hall. and Melanie Marchand. |
| 00:47:53.51 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you, council member. loves things. |
| 00:48:00.68 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:48:00.71 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 00:48:01.76 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:48:03.68 | Jill Hoffman | So mine are going to be, uh, Show. Michelle Dumont. Mary Griffin. Janika Hendrick. and Jon Stewart. Thank you. |
| 00:48:20.03 | Janelle Kellman | you missed, John. What's that? I search Mr. First Choice. Thank you. |
| 00:48:25.05 | Ian Sobieski | Oh. I hope that... |
| 00:48:32.37 | Janelle Kellman | Who was your last one? May I have a moment? |
| 00:48:33.97 | Jill Hoffman | John's department. |
| 00:48:36.27 | Janelle Kellman | Who was your fourth one? |
| 00:48:36.96 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Um, sorry, Joan Cox. Michelle Dumont. Mary Griffin, Kanika Hendricks, Got it. And John Stewart. |
| 00:48:51.22 | Heidi Scoble | Okay, so yeah. and This room. |
| 00:49:20.73 | Heidi Scoble | And those are up, Mayor Hoffman. |
| 00:49:23.64 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Thanks. Okay. So We have. Consensus on Mary Griffin. right and then we have one two three four we have four that have three votes each right |
| 00:49:40.88 | Unknown | you |
| 00:49:41.08 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. So that's Kanika Hendricks. Nick Rose. Jenny Silva and John Stewart. So that's our five, it seems to me, right? are fine. |
| 00:49:53.72 | Ian Sobieski | Bye. |
| 00:49:55.93 | Jill Hoffman | And then we have two. with two votes each and that's it looks to me like it's Michelle Dumont and Joan Cox |
| 00:50:06.67 | Heidi Scoble | and Melanie Marchant. |
| 00:50:08.57 | Jill Hoffman | Oh, I'm sorry, pardon me. And Melanie Marchand. Okay. So it seems to me then we have our top five Right. Our top five are Mary Griffin. Uh, Henneka Hendrick. Nick Rose. Jenny Silva. and Jon Stewart, that's our five. And then we have for our alternate, we have a three-way tie, which is so exciting. So What I would suggest is that everybody just call out their number one for the alternate You ready, Serge? Yeah, they're like one vote, right? So we'll just go in the same order again, okay? Thank you. |
| 00:50:46.64 | Janelle Kellman | Serge, mine is Joan Cox. |
| 00:50:49.38 | Heidi Scoble | Okay. John Cox. Okay. |
| 00:50:55.45 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | Uh, no. very hard. Does somebody else want to go? |
| 00:51:04.16 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | with Michelle Dumont. |
| 00:51:07.37 | Unknown | Shh. Thank you. |
| 00:51:08.99 | Unknown | I'm sorry. |
| 00:51:09.04 | Unknown | I'll do with |
| 00:51:10.61 | Unknown | in the Shabbat du Monde as well. |
| 00:51:13.85 | Melissa Blaustein | I'll go with Michelle Dumont too. |
| 00:51:18.11 | Heidi Scoble | SPS key and Blamstein |
| 00:51:24.41 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, then, |
| 00:51:30.38 | Jill Hoffman | I'm... I'm gonna go with Joan. |
| 00:51:36.44 | Jill Hoffman | but I understood that |
| 00:51:41.67 | Jill Hoffman | So it looks to me like it's going to be Michelle with three votes for our alternate. |
| 00:51:45.98 | Heidi Scoble | That is correct. Mayor, help me. |
| 00:51:47.61 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Okay, so we have our, very good, we have our are We have our panel and we have our housing element update committee and we have our advisory committee, pardon me. one alternate. And so then we're going to vote on the planning commissioners. And so Um, Council member Cleveland also has given us her picks of the chair. the Chair Feller and Um, Andrew Junius. OK. |
| 00:52:20.52 | Janelle Kellman | Vice Mayor? Chair Feiler and Commissioner Luxenberg |
| 00:52:22.90 | Jill Hoffman | I don't. |
| 00:52:30.80 | Unknown | Christina Feller and Andrew Genius. |
| 00:52:35.55 | Melissa Blaustein | I'll go with Christina Feller and Andrew Junius as well. |
| 00:52:37.83 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Same. I'm going to go with Chair Fowler and Andrew Genius. Okay. Very good. Now we have our, OK. And I think that's it. We're done. Anything else? Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you guys. |
| 00:52:54.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:52:55.74 | Jill Hoffman | Hard work on all. I know we're all passionately trying to get to the right you know, already trying to get to the right choice. So I appreciate spirited debate. Yeah. |
| 00:53:05.86 | Susan Cleveland-Knowles | STORIES. Mayor, can I just make a suggestion that we ask our city clerk to send a thank you notes to all of our applicants. I encouraged them to stay involved in this process. I was really overwhelmed by the amount of talent. |
| 00:53:21.27 | Jill Hoffman | Incredible. Yeah, thank you so much for that suggestion. That's an excellent, excellent suggestion. |
| 00:53:25.01 | Unknown | I'll second that. This is really hard and there are so many different ways to think about putting the group together. There's so many different qualities and qualifications. of putting the team together. And I'll even just say in the earlier discussion, I honestly think different people can remember things differently and have different sets of priorities. So I think there's a lot of |
| 00:53:35.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:53:42.73 | Unknown | disagreement with goodwill and proper intentions. So thank you to everybody. Rundle. |
| 00:53:48.42 | Jill Hoffman | Yep, agreed. So thanks, you guys. Okay, done. We're adjourned. |
| 00:53:52.69 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:53:52.72 | Jill Hoffman | AND I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT |
| 00:53:52.98 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. Night. |
| 00:53:54.72 | Jill Hoffman | Good job. |