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| 00:00:00.22 | Heidi Scoble | Our computers are thinking a little slow. |
| 00:00:03.41 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:00:04.03 | Heidi Scoble | Okay, we're all set. So we'll start our video sequence. Our video sequence is up. We'll admit all participants. Good evening, Mayor Hoffman and council members. This meeting is being held pursuant to section three of executive order N-29-20 issued by Governor Newsom on March 17th, 2020 and executive order N-08-21 issued by Governor Newsom on June 11th, 2021. All members are joining this meeting telephonically through Zoom and this meeting is also being broadcast live on the city's website and on cable TV channel 27. |
| 00:00:37.63 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you Madam Clerk. Good evening and welcome to the September 28, 2021 City Council meeting. Um, Madam Clerk, could you please take the roll? Councilmember Sobieski? |
| 00:00:50.34 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:00:51.28 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:00:51.30 | Heidi Scoble | Council Member Blasdine. here. Council member Cleveland Knowles. Yeah. Vice Mayor Killman. Yeah. and Mayor Hoppin. |
| 00:01:01.62 | Jill Hoffman | Here. |
| 00:01:01.93 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. All members are present and we have a quorum. |
| 00:01:04.93 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you very much. At this point, we will be... discussing items D1 through D4 in closed session. Those items are D1 conference with labor negotiators pursuant to California government code 45956.1 D2 is conference legal counsel anticipated initiation of litigation. pursuant to California Government Code section 54956.9 D4, one potential case. Item D3 is Conference of Legal Counsel, Existing Litigation Pursuant to Government Code, Section 54956.9 D1. The name of the case is Sausalito, Marine County, Chapter of the California Homeless Union versus City of Sausalito, United States District Court Number. 321-CV-01143-LB as in Bravo. D4 is conference with real property negotiator pursuant to California government code section 54956.8. The property is MLK school site 100 Ebtide and 16 Coloma Street. Negotiating parties are the tenants. The city negotiator is a the city manager and the city attorney, and under negotiation are pricing terms. At this point, I will open public comment on closed session items. |
| 00:02:40.31 | Heidi Scoble | Madam Mayor, we have... For members of the public in this meeting at this time, it appears as though two of the members are trying to connect to the audio. So I'm not quite sure if they they know that the public comment is being received at this moment. |
| 00:02:55.75 | Jill Hoffman | OK, we'll just give him a minute Keep connected. |
| 00:03:11.29 | Heidi Scoble | Madam Mayor, there are no hands raised at this time. |
| 00:03:13.52 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:03:14.63 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:03:14.65 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 00:03:14.95 | Heidi Scoble | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:03:15.04 | Jill Hoffman | Very good. In that case, It looks to me like they're still trying to connect to audio. um but that doesn't they can still raise their hands correct That is correct. Very good. Okay. So I don't see any raised hands either. In that case, I will close public comment. Um, And we will adjourn to closed session. We will return to open session at 7 PM. Thanks very much. |
| 00:03:47.27 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:03:47.29 | Heidi Scoble | Zoom our video. |
| 00:03:48.96 | Ian Sobieski | What? |
| 00:03:50.76 | Heidi Scoble | Madam Mayor, we're ready to go when you are. |
| 00:03:53.04 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:03:54.29 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:03:54.31 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. We are returning from our closed session. And so I am reopening our open session. All members of the city council are present and we have a quorum. We have no... Announcements for closed session? And we are moving on to approval of the agenda. Do I have a motion for approval of the agenda? Summer. |
| 00:04:19.87 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:04:21.29 | Heidi Scoble | second. on to my right. |
| 00:04:25.56 | Ian Sobieski | Yes. |
| 00:04:26.44 | Heidi Scoble | Council member Blastey? Yes. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles? Yes. |
| 00:04:31.57 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 00:04:31.74 | Heidi Scoble | Vice Mayor Killman. |
| 00:04:32.81 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:04:32.92 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:04:33.04 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 00:04:33.98 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:04:34.03 | Jill Hoffman | Hoffman. Yes, motion passes unanimously. Moving on to our next item on the agenda. is Special presentations. And my first announcement and special presentations. My first announcement is that on October 30th, the city council will conduct a special City Council meeting. that will discuss the city's strategic plan The meeting will start at 9 a.m. It's going to be on Zoom at this point. And right now it's still you need to go no later than 1 p.m. I will say that I was approached by Councilmember Sobieski about the schedule and whether or not we needed to expand that to go later or perhaps have an idea about doing a second session or a follow-up session if necessary. And so at this point. I think we're going to stick with the plan, but since it's not till August or October 30th, we're going to look at our the agenda and if we feel like uh we need additional time and we'll we'll go back to the city council with that um and ask if we see how this council feels about whether or not we need more time than the four hours. So I did want to call that out that I Councilmember Sobieski raised that and I'd like to consider that seriously if we think we need additional time. So we want that time to be productive, obviously. Okay, and our next... Item is a special presentation of the Sauslio Historical Society. It's a presentation on the Ice House, Um, Sauselio Museum reimagined and there's some they have some very exciting news Jerry Taylor has promised me he will only take 10 minutes and I will keep him to that. Mr. Langford are you our director of parks and rec are you going Jerry's going to kick us off is my understanding |
| 00:06:27.72 | Mike Langford | That's fine with me. I was just going to introduce Mr. Taylor, but, uh, I don't think Jerry needs any introduction. |
| 00:06:33.89 | Jill Hoffman | Mr. Taylor, you are on mute. So there you go. |
| 00:06:37.96 | Jerry Taylor | That's a very flattering thing to be said in a Saucyuse City Council meeting. Thank you very much. Thank you. Mayor Gill. Friends, city council people, thank you so much for inviting us here tonight. It wasn't that long ago when we finished a monumental, exciting project. And many of you were down there helping us break the ground and then helping us not cut the ribbon to drive a spike. to celebrate the opening of the plaza. Well, now we're going to take that a next step because now it's time to upgrade our museum after the 20 years of life it's had. It's time to take advantage of modern technology and see what better educational and informative and interesting things we can do. And so with that, I'm going to get out of the way, and I'd like to now turn it over to board member of the Saso Historical Society, distinguished architect in his own right. Stanford Hughes. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:07:30.73 | Stanford Hughes | Thank you. So I am going to be very brief, but this is a phenomenal project. I start my video. So to let you know, the ICE House was moved 20 plus years ago from Caledonia Street to its current landmark location. Um, and it hasn't really been updated for over 20 years. So part of our goal is to say, Things have happened since last century. Let's freshen it up. make it a better experience for both residents, guests, and visitors. phenomenal in that 30,000 people a year visit that little building. And we are also then very fortunate to have, I'm gonna introduce Don Sibbitt of the Sibbitt Design Group, who is an exhibition designer of world-class quality that does kind of educational, interactive, state-of-the-art museums and he's volunteered his services to design the reimagined Museum. So I'm going to turn it over to John and he's going to explain his vision. |
| 00:08:45.57 | Donald Sibbitt | Wait, no, I think I need to share my screen. There you are. |
| 00:08:48.81 | Stanford Hughes | There you are. We see you. |
| 00:08:50.48 | Donald Sibbitt | OK, here we go. |
| 00:08:50.56 | Stanford Hughes | Okay. |
| 00:08:51.64 | Donald Sibbitt | Well, I'll give you my best here. I'm not. |
| 00:09:02.39 | Donald Sibbitt | Okay, hopefully everyone can see a picture of the ice house. Is that correct? Okay, perfect. Okay, all right. Well, first of all, thank you, Mayor Hoffman and Council members. We're excited about showing you the ideas for the Ice House Museum. And not surprisingly, we've been thinking about this for the last 10 years since I was a board member previously. So with that, I just want to like share with you what we've been thinking about with our committee who's been working on this for the last year, though we've all been thinking about for 10 years. So I'm going to move on to the next slide. Tonight, I'm just gonna talk to you real briefly about the exhibit overview, what the existing Ice House Museum looks like, what the exhibit content is, objects and artifacts that we imagine, and also the exhibit design. When we started on this project, we wanted to do a couple of things. We really wanted to do an exhibit design approach that built on Phil Frank's original exhibit design, which is a little bit more than 20 years. And we wanted to take this opportunity to update and deepen the museum stories. We want to retain the key artifacts and objects that are in the museum now. but at the same time offer visitors interactive technology which would allow for new stories and would also support in the museum world what we call 21st century exhibit trends. What are those? They're kind of simple, but they're really important things. One of the most important things is user centered interaction. To us, that means engagement, where we engage with the visitors. We also have the opportunity to make choices. That includes interaction with interpretive elements or with other people in the museum. The need for new curiosity, I mean, sorry, new content, which would be refreshed on a regular basis and would inspire curiosity. Also an ongoing need for authentic stories and having things that are accurate and factual. |
| 00:10:54.90 | Jeffrey Chase | heaven. |
| 00:10:58.19 | Donald Sibbitt | And probably maybe some of the most important things are immersive experience. And those are things that inspire wonder and joy in interpretive environments. What we imagine is that new museum design will celebrate Sausalito's land, water, and people, and it will improve accessibility and invite all audiences. We wanna highlight untold stories that haven't been told yet. And we also want to incorporate community feedback And the goal also is to incorporate small after hours gatherings at the ice house. In the museum world, we talk about things that are called a big idea. And that's really the framework for how we design our exhibits. And so for the Ice House, the big idea is that Sausalito is this amazing intersection between land and water. It's attracted a unique mix of people who formed an incredibly dynamic community. So that's our big idea and how we'll do that is providing a contemporary exhibit design that will blend the historic architecture of the Ice House with an immersing visitors and a juxtaposition of historic stories told through immersive techniques. So this is what the Ice House looked like 10 years ago when we decided to think about refreshing it. It pretty much looks the same way, and it pretty much looks the same way as Phil Frank designed it over 20 years ago. Oops. Thank you. Okay, so in the development of the exhibit, what we've done is we've studied out previous content. We looked at all the interpretive elements inside the ice house. We read all the texts that Phil wrote with all these colleagues at the time. And then we also started mining exhibit content that informed our design. And part of that is the successful Sausalito Historical Society's education program for school children. |
| 00:12:41.72 | Jeffrey Chase | It is. |
| 00:13:04.85 | Donald Sibbitt | In that document, there's still continuously fascinating to kids and also the docents who give that program. are these stories and these are some of the untold stories of Sausalito. One is about on the upper left hand corner the Wasser family who are one of the original buildings in Cal, sorry, on Thank you. |
| 00:13:23.62 | Ian Sobieski | . |
| 00:13:23.87 | Donald Sibbitt | in Sausalito, and their amazing Washer girls who would row on the waterfront, and sometimes in the mornings also row around Angel Island and back. We wanna tell those stories. We also wanna like highlight stories about Herb Madden, who has a significant role in changing Sausalito, his bright boat yard, and also is important to the mayor. |
| 00:13:41.46 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 00:13:41.61 | Ian Sobieski | you |
| 00:13:41.64 | Jeffrey Chase | by |
| 00:13:45.44 | Donald Sibbitt | Another of the unsold stories is really to highlight Julia Morgan, her work with the Hearst, both in Sausalito and elsewhere. But probably most importantly, the fact that she was a brave and intelligent woman, also the first architect, licensed architect in the state of California. And also amazingly, the designer of the Women's Club, which is like one of her most wonderful buildings. Another untold story at the Eights House now, which we want to change, is to talk about Yi Tak-Chi. We want to talk about how he was a friend of the town, how he moved to Sausalito from China in the Marin Fruit and Grocery Store. And another important story that's untold is Joseph James. fighting for his fight for equal rights, his early life in San Francisco, and his work in Marinship. So those are some of the content ideas that have helped and form the exhibit design. And then we started thinking about the objects that are in the current collection right now. And for water objects, because we're really talking about starting three stories, about water, the land, and the people. And the water objects are things like the ship's wheel, maybe a bronze winch from the sailboat, marine ship goggles that are in our collection. Land stories might include the Gardner Home Door, which is one of the earliest buildings in Sausalito, and what's called the Dragon Door. Other things that are popular with the school groups are this really sweet little miniature school desk. and as a way to highlight the connection with the land. And also maybe even a willow branch, a replica willow branch to show Sausliu's connection with the little willow grove, right? The other ideas are to use artifacts from our collection. It would tell people stories and things that people made. Perhaps we have Miwok stone artifacts, maybe even Shel Silverstein's book, The Giving Tree. things like that or Alice Sebring's seal and maybe even Edith Heath ceramics would be in our exhibits. So with that, Here's some of our thinkings. When you walk into the new ice house, it'll be a similar bit different than it was before. The stories are imagined as about land on the left water on the right, and people at the far end. If you walk over to the land area, and if that's your interest and you're following your interest in their land stories, the things you would see immediately are a huge photo mural of the central school with all these amazing kids with different expressions. Some look sweet, some look a little devious, but we like it because it draws visitors in. To the next to that would be the gardener door with what's called the dragon door with Mandarin script on it from the early 1900s. And in front of that would be what we call an interpretive rail. Interpretive rail includes pictures and images and photographs and texts that you can read. But also if you want to go deeper in the stories of land stories inspire you to want to learn more, on the Interpretive Rail is an iPad size monitor that you can watch videos and you can also lift a handset and hear the stories narrated. They're quick little videos that talk about land stories. If water stories are your delight, which that might be me. I'm Donald? |
| 00:16:54.79 | Jill Hoffman | It's a good time. Ms. Donald, I'm sorry, I need, so we allotted 10 minutes for the presentation and we're at 10 minutes now. Our clerk was very nice. Usually she's very stern when the time runs out. |
| 00:17:03.50 | Mickey Allison | Okay. |
| 00:17:07.53 | Mickey Allison | Yeah. |
| 00:17:07.55 | Donald Sibbitt | Well, let me, can I wrap up? |
| 00:17:09.17 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. That's what I'm getting to you. |
| 00:17:09.71 | Mickey Allison | Thank you. |
| 00:17:09.73 | Donald Sibbitt | So there's a bit... Okay, perfect. Thanks for the heads up. The people stories are at the back. If you walk into the people, you can find out of all the notable people in Tosalito. Other stories are what we call hidden treasures where the girl below is looking in the floor and other things in the walls. If you turn around and you walk toward the entry, what you'll see is everything in reverse. And then as you walk out, you'll see a replica ice block, a door frame, and then an image of a glass wall of all the people and organizations that have made this project happen. And if you're lucky, you walk across the street and go to Poggio and you think about the fact that SOSLITO is an amazing interaction between land, water, and it's an attractively unique mix of people who form an amazing dynamic community. And that's it. Thank you. |
| 00:17:59.80 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thanks. Jerry, did you have any, or Stanford have any for the wrap up of this is almost all funded, correct? |
| 00:18:07.81 | Jerry Taylor | Yeah, I'm trying to get on my voice right now. Can you hear me? |
| 00:18:09.57 | Jill Hoffman | Great. Thank you. |
| 00:18:10.75 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 00:18:10.78 | Jerry Taylor | We've had some great success. We've got an angel who's been very generous. We've got a couple other things that we're tying this into. We're going to be completing the original plaza project with a couple of dedicated benches on the south side of the building. This is tremendously exciting. I don't need to take any more time. But to tell you that thank you for your support. We are your tenants down there in that sense. And we want to consult with you on these things. And do that best for our friends in Sausalito that are watching us tonight. |
| 00:18:10.88 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 00:18:44.19 | Jerry Taylor | Thank you. |
| 00:18:44.45 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Thank you. |
| 00:18:44.66 | Jerry Taylor | to get the information. |
| 00:18:44.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:18:44.73 | Jerry Taylor | Thank you. |
| 00:18:44.80 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:18:44.82 | Jerry Taylor | Thank you. |
| 00:18:44.83 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:18:44.88 | Jerry Taylor | Thank you. |
| 00:18:45.04 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Yep, thanks very much. And if people want to find out more, they can find out more on the Saucyote Historical Society website. |
| 00:18:51.31 | Jerry Taylor | And if that doesn't tell them what they want to know, just write to us at info at saucerohistoricalsociety.org. |
| 00:18:57.96 | Jill Hoffman | for. Okay, thanks, thanks you guys. Thanks very much and congratulations. What a great- Thanks everybody. |
| 00:19:02.87 | Jerry Taylor | Thanks, everybody. Good to see you all. Thank you, Donald. |
| 00:19:04.56 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:19:05.74 | Jerry Taylor | Thank you, Stafford. |
| 00:19:07.03 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Bye, you guys. Okay, moving on to our next item on the agenda is action minutes of the previous meeting. And we have action minutes from August 31st and from September 14th, And do I have a motion to approve the minutes as submitted or are there any corrections? There are no corrections on those permits. |
| 00:19:33.06 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. I'm sorry. OK. |
| 00:19:38.02 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:19:38.04 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. That was a motion, right? |
| 00:19:39.04 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:19:39.07 | Janelle Kellman | I'll second. |
| 00:19:39.49 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay, thank you. Okay, I will open up public comment on this item. |
| 00:19:51.71 | Jill Hoffman | outside. |
| 00:19:51.96 | Heidi Scoble | See you. |
| 00:19:52.03 | Jill Hoffman | Any hands up? |
| 00:19:52.64 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:19:53.30 | Jill Hoffman | Madam Clerk. |
| 00:19:53.95 | Heidi Scoble | you |
| 00:19:54.26 | Jill Hoffman | Madam Mayor, |
| 00:19:54.97 | Heidi Scoble | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:19:55.03 | Jill Hoffman | There are no hands raised at this time. Thank you. I will close public comment then. And we have a motion and we have a second. Madam Clerk, could you please call the roll? Councilmember Sobanski? |
| 00:20:06.17 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:20:06.56 | Ian Sobieski | Yes. |
| 00:20:07.37 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:20:07.39 | Heidi Scoble | Council Member Blasdine. Council Member Cleveland Knowles? Vice Mayor Kellman? Mayor Holt? |
| 00:20:14.04 | Jill Hoffman | I'm Dr. Hoffman. Yes. Very good, the motion passes unanimously. Moving on to our next item, consent calendar. Um, Matters listed on the consent calendar are considered to be routine and non-controversial, require no discussion, are expected to have unanimous council support may be enacted by the council in one motion there will be no separate discussion of consent calendar items however before the council votes on a motion to adopt the consent calendar items council members city staff or members of the public may request that specific items be removed from the consent calendar for separate action items removed from the consent calendar will be discussed later on the agenda and public comment will be heard on any item that was removed from the consent calendar There are 12 items tonight on our consent calendar. 3A is the Community Development Fiscal Year 2021 fourth quarter report. for April through June of 2021. Item 3B is second amendment to the Professional Consulting Services Agreement for additional cost recovery planning, application processing services in the amount of $19,000. for 70 to 74 Liberty Shipway, no fiscal impact to the city. Number C3, or sorry, 3C is adopt a resolution of proving an encroachment agreement for an existing retaining wall. deck railing building, fence landscaping located in the public right-of-way adjacent to the property at 167-169 Philbert 3D is adopt a resolution approving the final condominium parcel for 167 and 169 Filbert. 3E is approved purchase of Hadronix Inc DBA smart cover systems for additional sanitary flow monitoring devices for the city of Sausalito publicly maintained sanitary sewer collection system at a cost of 110,000. and $55. 3F is adopted resolution authorizing city manager execute an agreement with much more consulting for up to six months of interim human services during the current vacancies and recruitment of two key positions in the city administration and ad hoc support for coming Labor negotiations not to exceed $96,000 effective September 15, 2021. 3G is a firm initial set of evaluation criteria, tasks, outcomes, organizational goals, and objectives that will provide the basis for determining the city manager's performance. 3H is adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute an agreement with creative digital agency, Inc. for a two-year marketing plan in an amount not to exceed $150,000. 3i is authorized the city manager to sign a five-year lease agreement with Dell Financial Services LLC to replace and upgrade 77 computer workstations at an annual cost not to exceed $18,050. 3J is adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute an agreement with Moran IT to update and enhance outdated Wi-Fi equipment at the city hall, the police station, In the corporation yard, it costs not to exceed $31,585. 3K is declaring the city's 2005 VIPs Ford Crown Victoria surplus and authorizing the city manager to dispose of equipment at auction. Item 3L is adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute the fourth amendment and collection services agreement with LAS Carp Associates LLC for parking meter revenue collections at a cost not to exceed $42,170 for the first year and including additional option periods to extend the term of the agreement until September 30, 2026. |
| 00:23:35.86 | Jeffrey Chase | in it. |
| 00:23:53.92 | Jill Hoffman | At this time, I will open up public comment on this item. on the items of the consent calendar. I see one hand. |
| 00:24:02.98 | Heidi Scoble | And, Madam Mayor, we did have one hand raised. It was Sandra B. Okay, here it is again. We've asked Sandra Bushmaker to unmute and start a video. |
| 00:24:14.25 | Sandra Bushmaker | Good evening, everybody. Mayor, vice mayor, city council members. I have to say I was pretty shocked when I looked at the extent of the expenditures on the consent calendar without discussion. And just for your information, the totals $447,860. which I find a little overwhelming for a consent calendar item. and perhaps, there needs to be some discussion or at least by the public to understand why such large numbers are on consent without consent. a hearing per se. So there's that, I have comments on the CDA contract. I would just like to say that, You know, this program that you're buying is a search engine optimization program. which basically will enhance the hits for the city of Sausalito but there is no causal connection between those increased hits and the city receiving revenues. So it's just a concern of mine. I think it would behoove having some discussion. I do realize this came from the prior city council and the train may have left the station. And so I just wanna bring those things up. My concern is such large expenditures on the consent calendar cumulative. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:25:51.06 | Heidi Scoble | Our next speaker is Kelly Stevens. Kelly, you've been asked to be unmuted and asked to start your video. |
| 00:26:04.04 | Kelly Stevens | Hello from Camp Cormorant Revival. I will second Sandra B with half a million dollars of unaccounted expenditures, including $150,000 for an ad agency. the amount of money that's being spent now at camp cormorant revival for the people who are living here is easy for me to remember because the number is zero There is no city money at all being spent here. The amount that's spent for water and trash and toilets, which is something that we took care of. We took the spot at the point We can take care of that. The city now is spending zero money here at Camp Cormorant Revival. $500,000 for ad agencies and consultants. It's not in the California Constitution. It is not constitutional in the United States or California Constitution. It is collusion between a private business and this council. And it is heavily objected to by the citizens of Sausalito. I'm not the only one. Thank you very much. |
| 00:27:10.97 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay, I don't see any further hands up. And so I'm going to close public comment unless the clerk tells me differently that she sees a hand. So public comment is closed on the consent calendar. Do we have any additional discussion from the council or do we have a motion? |
| 00:27:31.79 | Melissa Blaustein | make a motion to approve the consent calendar. |
| 00:27:35.30 | Jill Hoffman | Do I have a second? |
| 00:27:40.26 | Ian Sobieski | second it. |
| 00:27:40.80 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:27:40.84 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah. |
| 00:27:40.97 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:27:41.44 | Heidi Scoble | THE FAMILY. |
| 00:27:41.51 | Jill Hoffman | you know. |
| 00:27:41.59 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:27:42.10 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:27:43.35 | Heidi Scoble | Okay, Manfred, can you please call the roll? Councilmember Sobieski. |
| 00:27:47.62 | Ian Sobieski | Yes. |
| 00:27:48.36 | Heidi Scoble | Council member Glaustein? Yes. Council member Cleveland Knowles? Yes. Vice mayor Kelman? |
| 00:27:54.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:27:54.55 | Heidi Scoble | Yes. |
| 00:27:54.89 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:27:54.96 | Heidi Scoble | you |
| 00:27:55.03 | Jill Hoffman | Mayor Hoffman. Yes. Thank you. Motion passes unanimously. Moving on to our next item on the agenda is public hearing items, but we have no public hearing items tonight. So we're moving on to our business items. We have three items tonight on our business item calendar. The first one is update on home housing and homelessness and a request for authorization for the city manager to promulgate and enforce rules and codes of conduct for the use of the area designated by the city manager for transitional overnight sleeping by persons who have no option to sleep indoors and authorizing use of 24-hour security at the designated transitional area for a period of six months in an amount not to exceed $185,000. The report will be given to us by our city manager, Christopart. |
| 00:28:47.10 | Chris Zapata | Thank you, Mayor, members of the public. I won't take 15 minutes. I just want to say that everyone understands that homelessness is a human tragedy, exists throughout California. And Sausalito's situation is one that's unique It's complicated. It's urgent. their third-term needs, their long-term needs, And tonight, what we're looking for is direction and authority. to improve the campground in a way that benefits the residents in the campground as well as the people that own property and businesses outside of the temporary campground. So let me tell you why it's unique. South Slough has a land and water-based homes challenge. There are surrounding properties which are interesting in the sense that they're visitors serving as well as commercial and historical. It's complicated by the fact that the COVID-19 Pandemic still exists. We're in the middle of a court case. There are some real needs in terms of mental and health for some of the residents. The monitoring of the encampment by Urban Alchemy has really been a help in terms of communication, but in terms of actually getting people into services that they could used to get out of the situation they find themselves in. That hasn't been a result. It's been really, really important to have the communication with the encampment people, with Urban Alchemy. But at this point in time, given some of the challenges we are seeing as of the last few months. We need to do more. And to do more, we need partners, that's for sure. So I think there's been constant conversation with folks at a state level, at a county level and local partners to figure out what we could do that would in fact help to alleviate the concerns of the people in the camp. And then obviously long term there is a need for transitional housing, permanent supportive housing, and generally housing that is affordable in our part of the world. So our staff report speaks to some of the things that have been done. and to kind of address the earlier comments about Nothing has been done tonight on this calendar you have a request to spend $185,000 to enhance the environment. And how you choose to do that is important. Prior to that, there are certainly costs that the city has absorbed to invest in the transition of the camp. the setup of the camp. and certainly with the contract with Urban Alchemy and also with our legal fight there have been legal costs as well and those are worth of half a million dollars So to close my conversation about this, my presentation, I will tell you that we're doing what we can This step in the process is a preliminary step. It's a first step, it's a second step, it's not a final step. But in order to create an environment that is essentially safer and better for the neighbors, as well as the people that live there, there needs to be some extra investment by the city and some outreach to our partners to see if they can support this need, which is, as I said, unique, complicated, and urgent. With that, I'll close the presentation here and take questions if you have them. |
| 00:32:19.81 | Jill Hoffman | Thanks to our city manager, Chris Zapata. I have a hand raised I see from Vice Mayor |
| 00:32:27.04 | Janelle Kellman | KELWIN? |
| 00:32:27.93 | Jill Hoffman | Go ahead. |
| 00:32:28.81 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you, man Hoffman, and thank you, Chris, for by that presentation and putting together this information I thought the South report was interesting because It's not about transitional housing as well as this allocation of resources. And one of the pieces here that I'm, I guess, a little bit curious about is that the resolution gives the city manager the ability to adopt rules that apply to the currently designated area. any other area that may be designated in the future by the city manager. I'm wondering if you could help the community understand how you would go about designating or identifying those other areas and I know that this is consistent with this SOP that we had passed prior but I think there might be some concern in the community about the selection of those areas and whether that comes back to the council. So can you share that with us? |
| 00:33:20.34 | Chris Zapata | So, sure when the council decided to move the encampment to the Marineship on a temporary basis they allocated a finite space of 40 spots. and that was compliant with the COVID environment that we were in and actually exceeded what the courts required. So 40 spots is where we've been. We're pretty close to topping that. So some type of understanding that we are there and and couldn't be at a place where we're exceeding that capacity, there needs to be some thought given to future spaces. The approach that would be taken would be you have a homeless committee, which consists of Mayor Hoffman and Council Member Blaustein, and any steps to expand or move to another part of the community would be discussed with the homeless committee and ultimately with City Council in that regard, because even though there may be a need for an emergency measure to be taken on the basis of something health-related or public safety-related, anything that would be longer than a week would have to be in my mind vetted by that homeless committee as well as the city council |
| 00:34:23.49 | Kelly Stevens | by mine. |
| 00:34:28.87 | Janelle Kellman | Great, thank you. And if I may ask one more follow-up question. The allocation of resources, my understanding is this for an outside support, Was there any sort of discussion with Chief Warbacher about having our police department handle this and sort of keeping and developing that expertise within our own department and if if not who will be overseeing that outside support and the contract |
| 00:34:55.87 | Chris Zapata | Yes, thanks for the question. Now there have been conversations about the police department's role in it. I think that in the interest of creating a more reasonable environment for the encampment folks that having the police department there probably is not what they'd want to see. |
| 00:35:12.53 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:35:16.76 | Chris Zapata | And at the same time, it's probably a lot more expensive than this first step that we're suggesting as an option. And certainly the police department is part and parcel to how that would be rolled out. They're the ones that identify the security and the cost and so on. we would hope that there would be a real interface between our police department and that security to understand how we could make sure that, you know, we anticipated and dealt with any challenges or needs that come about from a contract security on the encampment site. |
| 00:35:53.50 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thanks. I see a handout from council member Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:35:59.93 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Mayor. So for the city manager, you mentioned that our costs on the encampment are now north of half a million dollars. um, So I just want to absorb that. Can you talk about whether we have been able to get any assistance from our partners to contribute uh to that money. |
| 00:36:29.06 | Chris Zapata | There was some federal money that came that was approved by the city council in terms of a a facilitation with the County of Moran to good caseworkers and so you took $30,000 of some federal money and allocated it to that effort and that's a county-wide effort in partnership with Marin County. There have been some folks outside of the city organization that have provided services to the residents of the encampment. There is obviously some work that's being done and funded by partners to provide showers at the encampment. When I speak about worth of half a million dollars, what I'm talking about is our legal costs, our urban alchemy costs, the cost of setting up the camp. And I'm not I'm sure as the real number, but I know there's a lot of in-kind work that has gone toward supporting whatever it is that the encampment needs from myself to the police department to the Public Works Department to the Parks and Recreation Department and so we're going to provide hard numbers to you in the coming weeks so that you can have that for you but at this time those are the numbers that I'm aware of maybe Chief Wolbacher may know of others But I think that I can say that we have been basically footing this with city taxpayer money. and there has been very little in the way of relief from other parties, and that's probably the next step that we need to focus on. |
| 00:38:00.16 | Melissa Blaustein | Okay, great. Thank you for that. And I have two other questions, Mayor. |
| 00:38:05.51 | Jill Hoffman | Sure. And then I see Vice Mayor Kelman has her hand up. So go ahead, Council Member Clevenals, and then we'll go back to Vice Mayor Kelman. |
| 00:38:11.94 | Melissa Blaustein | Great. So my second question is, so we're being asked tonight to allocate an additional 180, up to $185,000 for security personnel. Is there any plan in place to do some training for anyone that's working with the camp on um, addressing conflict resolution. you know, de-escalation, respect, et cetera. |
| 00:38:37.07 | Chris Zapata | That would have to be part of our approach. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles, I think the Chief is well aware of the need to handle all situations with professionalism and compassion And in that regard, anyone that's an agent of the city working through a contractual relationship with the city would be expected to do the same. And we would set up some formal orientation for them so that they wouldn't walk in there cold and not know the lay of the land or our expectations. |
| 00:39:07.53 | Melissa Blaustein | Great, thank you. And then my last question just shifts to the transitional and supportive housing discussion. We had a really great discussion about a year ago on October, I think it was on the 13th discussion of housing in general. and at that time we were given a list of seven or eight sites that were potentially um you know, on the table for support of transitional or other types of affordable housing. And I don't think we've really had much of an update on those sites. I know one of the ones that rose to the top of the list was the post office building and parking lot. I would still stay a post office, but using some of the excess surplus land there. our corporation yard and there were two water-based housing sites. And I was wondering if either you are a community development director could talk about our efforts in that respect. |
| 00:40:05.66 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:40:05.76 | Melissa Blaustein | I think I could |
| 00:40:05.80 | Jill Hoffman | I think I can go ahead Chris but I think yeah I think some of our efforts currently with the encampment and trying to find solutions with our community especially our county-wide |
| 00:40:06.86 | Melissa Blaustein | Go ahead. |
| 00:40:19.74 | Jill Hoffman | we've been looking into some of these things. Some have support, some don't. So go ahead and Chris, I'm sorry I cut you off. |
| 00:40:25.20 | Chris Zapata | Yeah, no, I was going to say that since I've been here, I was given a list of opportunity sites. And certainly, Councilman Cleveland, I know, as you made me aware of them. Director Lily Whalen, Community Development Director Lily Whalen has made me aware of them. And given my short tenure here, I think she's better situated to speak about what's happened over the period of time that those were worked on and identified. And I understand there were eight, including the ones you identified. So, Lily, if you're on the call, can you update what has happened or not happened with respect to those identified opportunity sites? And then other people can weigh in as well. |
| 00:41:09.69 | Lily Whalen | Hi, good evening council. You hear me and see me okay? Yes. Okay. And I have, I apologize. I have a five-year-old in the background here too. I'm waiting to go to bed. So sorry if there's noise. So the opportunity sites, thank you for the question. Council member Cleveland Knowles, the Olive and Bridgeway site, I think as you mentioned, that one has a currently an application in for housing right now. So there's an application in for 12 units at that particular site on the site. |
| 00:41:13.60 | Mickey Allison | Thank you. |
| 00:41:38.02 | Lily Whalen | Olive and Bridgeway. We also have the Bridgeway common site, which is the 19 unit condo complex moving forward through the system right now. And that should be heard by the planning commission anticipate towards the end of this year or early next year. And for the remainder of the sites, I don't have an update on those sites right now. We haven't, we have not made contact with the post office to discuss that opportunity with them at this point. waiting for the conversation about shared services with the corpyard. in order to move forward with that type of conversation. but no other updates on the other side. |
| 00:42:16.51 | Chris Zapata | If I can, Mayor and Council, regarding the Corp Yard and Shared Services. I did meet with the City Manager, Mill Valley, last It was two weeks ago about this topic. And he expressed that they were still interested if we could bring something viable to the table. I understand there's been some preliminary analysis done about what that might look like. but that's not anywhere near being baked. But there is absolutely an opportunity to continue looking at it. |
| 00:42:46.74 | Jill Hoffman | And I'll weigh in that we, I have approached the county with regard to the water-based sites on the north side of town. And the response back from the county was that it probably, that would not be supported. Um, those requests. So that You know, that seemed to us to be an interesting opportunity Um, but you know, the effort Anyway, the response we got back from a partner, which would have to be the county, was that it probably would not be supported. at narrowing down those sites and our efforts in the city. Quite frankly, in February, we pivoted to immediate rehousing of people in the encampment so that's been our focus even though we've been looking long term and working with our county supervisor with regard to finding a Southern Marin, option for all of us to all of Southern Marin to focus on. I'm I don't believe it has been decided upon or has been you know, Anyway, there hasn't been an announcement of a location that's been found for a regional Southern Marin location. Ciao. Anyway, all right, so. I see Vice Mayor Kellman has her hand up and then I believe Council Member Blavstein Thank you Mayor Hoffman. |
| 00:44:16.17 | Janelle Kellman | I'm not going to be able to do that. Nice great. |
| 00:44:18.22 | Jill Hoffman | in the future. |
| 00:44:18.26 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:44:18.30 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:44:18.35 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 00:44:18.38 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:44:18.70 | Janelle Kellman | Chris, I'll just be, just a quick question, sir. I didn't see the source of the funds for the security work discussed in the resolution or staff report. Where are we pulling those from? |
| 00:44:27.72 | Chris Zapata | would be from your general fund reserve? |
| 00:44:32.24 | Janelle Kellman | Okay. And, um, So the purpose of the staff report, there's a little bit of consternation because the staff report was extremely broad. the homelessness encampment then became traditional housing. And it's also called housing, it discusses the housing element. I'm trying to kind of watch for scope creep here. So I'm just wondering why the staff report includes language that talks about transitional and permanent supportive housing and workforce housing. What does workforce housing have to do with security at the encampment? |
| 00:45:03.83 | Chris Zapata | Well, the ask was security and enhancing the environment. but because this is a complicated and comprehensive type of problem that relates to housing, homelessness, is a function of a lot of things, but housing is one of them. So to incorporate into the staff report the steps that are near term and long term and some of the solutions that needed to be reached, it was important to include that in the report so the community understands that it's just not an encampment. There are stages to this. Obviously, you have an encampment which you're trying to provide services to people and figure out where to house them, where to treat them. And the next step in that, THE PROCESS OF THAT CHANGE you know, transitional housing. And then ultimately you get the program of supportive housing and other services. And I think that needs to be understood. But tonight, yeah, we are asking for an enhancement to the environment, and security is one of them. Thank you. So I apologize if it's a little convoluted. But the issue is complicated. And so to not speak about long-term housing transitional housing and just the encampment I think doesn't do us justice. And to not talk about the court case Um, as well as the, the weather patterns that are looming in front of us and the need for partnerships, I think, would not be an accurate presentation for the public to understand how this is really complicated. So, again. You know, I think there's a that need to be taken. that end up at housing and begin with making the environment that we have now safer and better for the people that are in it as well as the people around it. |
| 00:46:59.15 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you so much, Chris. |
| 00:47:00.59 | Chris Zapata | Okay. |
| 00:47:01.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. All right, Council Member Blavestein, your hands up. Go ahead. |
| 00:47:04.21 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah, thank you very much, Mark Hoffman, and thank you, City Manager Zapata, for your report and just as I serve on the committee with Mayor Hoffman, just to respond to a couple of the |
| 00:47:11.61 | Jill Hoffman | American. |
| 00:47:14.34 | Melissa Blaustein | Questions, the County of Marin has identified a home key site in Larkspur in Southern Marin on Alessio Drive in a former assisted living facility, but not yet a large scale site that would accommodate the 40 to 50 residents that are in the encampment, but to speak to the reason that maybe workforce housing would be included. I mean, we're in a housing a pretty severe housing crisis. So I think it's smart to put a lens on housing as a whole when we're having this conversation, because the end goal was to get everybody in this encampment to have access to an opportunity for permanent. and with that in mind, I did visit the encampment over the weekend and talked to some of the residents and I just was wondering City Managers of Pod if we might as one of the main issues here is regards to code of conduct and what the rules will be in the encampment are we considering a collaborative discussion with residents of the encampment with regards to what some of those conduct codes might be and how would we go about that? I know I've asked you about this previously, |
| 00:48:11.88 | Chris Zapata | you Yeah, we should. We should, and I think that that's appropriate. You know, we can't just come in impose what we think makes sense. We have to have some understanding and communication with the encampment, and we'll do that. |
| 00:48:26.23 | Melissa Blaustein | And I know that in San Rafael, for instance, at Urban Alchemy worked closely with the members of the encampment to establish the code of conduct there. And then I wanted to ask about, and I'll speak to this further after public comment but I just wanted to ask you about the services and fees, the $185,000. um, it's not necessarily going to be all allocated. I mean, at this point, we're having a conversation about how we might use those funds, correct? So because it's clear that there is a severe need for services based on my visit, but also just what we all know, right, about the fact that at this stage, no one has been How was it? um, in the encampment, except for one veteran several months ago. So |
| 00:49:09.41 | Chris Zapata | Yeah, so I think I try to be really respectful of the conversation that we had where you really uh, advocate for a balanced approach, which I think is smart. So the idea of improving the environment of the temporary and campus should be to focus and and and you know to improve the environment you know it's a lot of there are a lot of aspects to it, including services, including security, including communication. All of those things matter. You know, the original intent was to honor what I felt was the pressing need, which was we had people in encampment that didn't feel safe, And we have property owners around the encampment that were concerned. So the model that we have right now with Urban Alchemy has some benefits, but security is not one of them. And so to try to establish some type of scenario where Um, we could keep people safe there and make sure that the properties around The encampment felt like their concerns were being listened to. The security was the obvious request. But as we spoke, Council Member Blaustein, and as you've had conversations with your Committee cohort, Mayor Hoffman, Yeah, there's no doubt that services are a part of a solution. |
| 00:50:36.96 | Melissa Blaustein | So we could consider services in tandem with security so that if we were to think about rather than and we can talk about this in discussion and I can pull on that, but I wanted to be sure that there was an approach that might consider services like mental health services, assistance, visitors to the encampment, increased onsite services, just making sure that the needs of the residents are being met because based on some of the conversations that I've had with residents there, that's not the case right now. |
| 00:51:04.67 | Chris Zapata | Yeah, and so to continue on that same thing, you know, services should also include documentation. of what services are needed, because that's really important. in terms of how to enter folks into the county system. There needs to be some type of measuring of need That's important. You know, the idea of, you know, uh, how a comportment occurs on the encampment. You know, there are existing models, whether it's in San Rafael or San Francisco, of how that's done. And in looking at an approach, we looked at the urban alchemy approach in San Francisco, the police department did, and the number they gave me was $1.3 million for a year's worth of that model. And I think that's untenable for Sausalito. So we started working on it from the standpoint of security and if you want to morph that into a hybrid that includes services as well that's appropriate. |
| 00:52:05.43 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. All right, any other questions for staff? from the council members. Council Member Blyalstein, your hand's still up, but I'm thinking your questions have been answered. I will use the reactions tool to lower my hand, Mayor. Just checking. Okay, so let's move then to... public comment on this item? I see two hands up and I'll just let our city clerk call the name so she sees them on her screen. |
| 00:52:33.70 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 00:52:34.39 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:52:34.41 | Heidi Scoble | Madam Mayor, we'll start with David Shunbrun. David, you've been asked to be unmuted and to share your video or start your video. |
| 00:52:43.66 | David Shunbrun | Okay, here we go. I have brief comments first about the use of language. The document speaks about the homeless crisis. This isn't a crisis. Crisis is something where lives are in danger. earthquakes, wildfires, tsunamis, I wish you would tone down that language. Second, the use of the word environment. I'm a working environmentalist. I frankly don't appreciate the word environment being used in a very vague and euphemistic manner by the city manager talking about some vague improvement. It's not the environment that's being improved. So, And in addition, the euphemistic language of the Uh, area designated by the city manager, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Can we get past using euphemisms, give it a name and get on with it? Okay, that's my language comment. Second. Part of the reason that there is a problem I won't call it a crisis, but there is a problem is because of government. government took a lot of these people off the water. and is attempting to take more off the water. That to me is a giant problem that hasn't been addressed. based on the direction of council, it's not going to be addressed. So the problem is just going to get larger. That's inexcusable in my view. Um, Okay, my most important comment is that I am not impressed with the discussion of security. I have not heard what I would consider to be a granule granular description of what the actual needs are. and in particular what the issues are that the adjacent neighbors have. that needs to get expressed. because we need to be able to understand what the problem is. I have a proposal. I think the best way to have security is to train and hire residents of the encampment to provide security for their brethren and to be the liaison to call in the police if there are of problems. And otherwise, the police really aren't needed there. That's my opinion. Um, And, um... And so again, without having had any specific mention of what the issues are with neighbors, |
| 00:55:49.52 | Heidi Scoble | Your three minutes has elapsed. |
| 00:55:51.57 | David Shunbrun | Well, you weren't giving me a counter. Hello. |
| 00:55:54.49 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you, sir. The counter is, it's listed on the... |
| 00:55:57.43 | David Shunbrun | Well, but I have one more point now. |
| 00:55:59.68 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you, sir. And we're moving on to be fair to everybody else. We're moving on. Madam Clerk, can you please call our next speaker please? Thank you. |
| 00:56:08.33 | Heidi Scoble | Our next speaker is Kelly Stevens. You've been asked to be unmuted and to start your video. |
| 00:56:16.72 | Angel | So we have several people. Can each person get three minutes? |
| 00:56:21.04 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sure. |
| 00:56:24.50 | Kelly Stevens | Hi, oh, okay, who wants to stay? Okay, yeah, go ahead. |
| 00:56:26.45 | Cynthia Eggie | OKAY. |
| 00:56:31.89 | Cynthia Eggie | Hi, my name is Cynthia's Eggie, and I've been residing at the camp as a kind of a crisis kind of management here, and we have had a lot of experience with the escalation and that first really wonderful things here tonight. And we would like to. present ourselves as service providers for the camp and we have an organized plan and we would like to help the budget to be very efficient and actually be put to good use. I mean half a million dollars in legal fees fighting in these cases this summer could have done a lot for a lot of people and definitely employment of people in the camp who already are providing services here would be wonderful and also to set that precedent for other camps in California and to show them that people can actually be employed and people who have experience with the community, such as other mental health needs, their substance abuse needs, sometimes just insecurity of being able to coordinate services, a lack of trust. That's a big problem. And definitely the people who live here are very, very acquainted with the needs of the camp. And I think we can actually help to have that money spent very well and actually set a very good precedent for the services provided to the community and services. following COVID, I think that has become |
| 00:57:48.72 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 00:57:50.31 | Cynthia Eggie | very big economic understanding is that services is a huge thing right now you know corporately globally but definitely to be have showing an example of an efficient use of money for services and to actually be providing people with employment and money who are in that community and raising people up and giving them substance instead of having you know, being basically criminalized for poverty and vulnerability and changing that status of If you are vulnerable, that does not mean you are incompetent and to actually empower people and to show a very good example of employment. I think that's a wonderful idea and efficient spending of money. That would be really great. Thank you. And we would like to present a plan to the council in private of what we plan. |
| 00:58:36.39 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Your time's up. Sorry. Thank you. To be fair to everybody. |
| 00:58:44.05 | Kelly Stevens | Hello, this is Jeff Jacob again. Half a million dollars is not being spent for services, Sausalito citizens. This is being spent for very high priced lawyers to fight the homeless. That is where the money is being spent. There's zero money. zero being spent for the homeless people from the city of Sausalito. Madam Mayor, You said this is as good a deal as you're going to get, homeless encampment, that was in the Marin IJ. You've not permitted anybody from the city council or city manager or anybody else in the government to speak on this issue but yourself. So we will speak directly to you. This is not only job production for consultants and for lawyers and for urban alchemy. Urban alchemy has given reports to the city council and the mayor and the city manager, Michael and Joseph, and they have been refused. They have not been allowed to speak to the city anymore. The Department of Public Works said they would not participate in any movement of the camp. They voted that as a union and they had to hire outside people. The mayor refused. to announce how much money was spent. So thank you, City Manager Chris Chappata, for telling us it was at least half a million dollars, and the clock is still ticking. These issues, these problems, this crisis, if you want to call it that, is that money is being spent, and it never comes to the people that can use it. So you have an opportunity here to do something different. In San Rafael, where there is a 24-hour security guard, they are throwing food over the fence to feed the people. The permit process to feed the people is too burdensome. They do not allow visitors into the camp. There is not a chance in the world that that will fly in Sausalito it's not going to happen that way so we in the camp we can administer ourselves and we do thank you Melissa for visiting here we appreciate that if somebody would like to come and talk with us we can talk with you but the idea that we're going to be providing money to high-priced lawyers, to consultants, to agencies, and to security guards because there are people without houses is completely corrupt. Thank you. THANK YOU. |
| 01:01:23.29 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:01:24.84 | Robbie | Yeah. So just to speak to opposition of this plan, There's been a massive failure. The city promised that you were going to be provided a safe place. Thank you. That was part of movement from there. And right now, |
| 01:01:44.70 | Jeffrey Chase | and right now, |
| 01:01:45.83 | Robbie | The city has failed. I mean, We've been doing our best. I mean, just the other week. Right? one of your employees assaulted a case AND IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE Tim Logans. was vigilant. Was there present able to capture it on video it. had any headway. even though your officers, Edgar Padilla, Stacey Gregory, Nick White, Officer George, they all refused to take a report initially. an incredible amount of force just for the police to come and do their job and enforce the law. We call the police when there are crimes being committed, when there are safety issues and hazards. and the police come out. and they don't do anything. They don't do anything. What people what was needed is housing that you unless there's a way to lock your door. That's security right there. That's security. And $185,000, you know, think about that. That's like, What? $700 every month for every individual. I mean, that's like what I mean, $1,400 for 20 people, $1,400. You could be putting people in the house in a room with that kind of money. And that would make it safer because there'd be more space, there'd be less. I mean, that would really address housing. |
| 01:03:04.59 | Ian Sobieski | Starting with seniors. |
| 01:03:05.82 | Robbie | I know, starting with our medically vulnerable people who have been out here with broken hips. suffering from dementia, suffering from I mean, in the wheelchair. And no... Nothing. I mean nothing. As Melissa Spitz, Sausalito has not housed a single person. Michael who got housed, he got through the county because of his veteran status. There'd been nothing. And now, even when your own employees assault. Our people, our community throw rocks. And that's not the first time Mike McKinley's been reported for throwing rocks at people in the community. He was reported back in November. for the exact same thing. And again, the police refused to take reports. And this is the guy who's the city's been working, has been working with Curtis Havel, destroying people's homes. This guy's been triaging these boats, crushing a lot of the people's homes who are living here right now. And he was assaulting people. And, and, I mean, this is and now the city is suddenly concerned about people's safety. I think that is a tremendous failure of the city. a tremendous failure. And people need to be just shocked about that that we're going to be coming up to I mean between Urban Alchemy $120,000 now $185,000 contract for security that's almost going to plus over half a million in legal cost $800,000 not one person housed not one |
| 01:04:29.42 | Ian Sobieski | house. |
| 01:04:30.97 | Robbie | Man, come on. How about you? |
| 01:04:32.03 | Kelly Stevens | Yeah. |
| 01:04:32.10 | Ian Sobieski | Oh! |
| 01:04:32.44 | Kelly Stevens | Thank you. |
| 01:04:35.12 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:04:35.22 | Kelly Stevens | Come on. |
| 01:04:35.76 | Robbie | Thank you. |
| 01:04:36.02 | Ian Sobieski | Oh, yeah. |
| 01:04:37.80 | Kelly Stevens | Yeah. |
| 01:04:38.12 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Can we restart the clock, please? |
| 01:04:39.51 | Kelly Stevens | Thank you. |
| 01:04:39.53 | Ava Crisante | Thank you. |
| 01:04:39.61 | Kelly Stevens | Yeah. |
| 01:04:39.83 | Ava Crisante | Thank you. |
| 01:04:41.64 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:04:41.97 | Jerry Taylor | Thank you. |
| 01:04:41.99 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:04:42.02 | Jerry Taylor | Thank you. |
| 01:04:42.11 | Ian Sobieski | I'm not going to be a |
| 01:04:42.38 | Jerry Taylor | Thank you. |
| 01:04:43.69 | Tim Logan | or go ahead. Yeah. My name's Tim Logan. My main concerns are Top one is security. Well, yeah, like Robbie was saying, security is a joke when you call the police officers and they turn around and leave when there's people with their genitals out. They turn around and leave. I call because I see somebody throwing a rock at somebody. and they turn around and don't take my report and have to have the Sheriff's Department come out and start another initial investigation next to Sausalito PD. Okay, so this legal PD says that they have no involvement with the Army Corps yet. Anytime we go and approach them, They're in between us and the Army Corps. If they have no issues there, then why is that happening? Two, we still have no, we have a hose to split between all of us. Somebody came through, cut our hose the other day. We couldn't even turn off the water. We couldn't turn off the water because they have a box over it. So, so, so those was just going for, I don't know, probably four or five hours. And so we could get a hold of somebody from the city to come out and put that, fix that. um, proof. We are looking at rain coming in any time. Okay? Now we haven't heard nothing about getting any anything off the ground over here. I mean, we're going to be walking through mud and debris and stuff so thick in a matter of days. And there's no talk of anything that's going to help with that. You guys keep spending all this money. You know what? Why don't you all, why don't you take a hundred thousand and buy us all the tough shit? I mean, think about it. Tough sheds are fairly cheap. and it would get us off the ground. It would get us all into a place. It would be easy to move around. We could lock a door, we could have safe environments, And for I am for hiring our own people to secure this place. As long as long as The cops actually do something. when we call them. It's not going to be right if we call the cops and they do nothing but yet an outside person or whoever you guys hire calls the cops and all of a sudden they get respect. I mean, where's all this money going to anyway? How are we going to, hold you guys accountable for the actual money that you guys are spending and where you're spending it, because it seems like there's a lot of it that's being spent that, that, can't be. from the public. So, . Yeah, that's all I have to say. All right, thanks. Good job. |
| 01:07:35.80 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:07:35.92 | Tim Logan | Thank you. |
| 01:07:36.05 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:07:36.16 | Tim Logan | Thank you. |
| 01:07:36.24 | Heidi Scoble | Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Our next speaker is Paul Mowry. Paul, you've been... |
| 01:07:44.16 | Ian Sobieski | What about John? |
| 01:07:45.29 | Heidi Scoble | I'm sorry. There's more. Oh, just apologies for that. |
| 01:07:46.91 | Mickey Allison | So I'm just calling. I'm Mickey Alice. My name is Nikki Allison, live in Waldo Pine Harbor, but I stopped down here because I was walking and helped home a person home who has tried to get stuff home, who is crippled. And I stayed and helped him and made sure he got into his house. This is one of the issues that I want to deal with. When you talk about security, let's deal with health security. My son's a doctor. Okay. I have been injured. I barely sometimes can barely walk myself, but I've gotten back to the point where I can do 3.7 miles on a regular basis. But, Some of these folks can't. You've got children here. injured people you've got people with health issues mental and physical These people need help and you're not doing that. What you're doing is hiring help to say, hey, let's enclose them. and give a bonus to people who are help, help pay for lights on buildings that people are worried about and cameras. And then maybe you'll find out that those people aren't coming from the Encampment. There's a lot of, yes, there is break-ins. but they may not be coming from here. And let's prove it. You help people who can't afford, but are worried to help get cameras and lights that will blink on. Right now, I'm a member of the Sierra Club. I helped three of you. by giving you recommendations for voting. to get into your positions. I gotta tell you, I want to see all of you in front of our Sierra Club group. And we are going to do that because you're gonna have to answer to your lack of social justice because you don't have any. I am, honestly, I am furious with Sausalito. I am grateful I'm a county member. and live in the county because then I don't have to claim that I live in Sausalito. I just have a 9496 address. Five. Part of this is 94 and 965. So please, Be moral. Look into your souls and figure out what in the hell is moral, because you don't any of you show it except for Melissa. The rest of you. are awful. And I'm ashamed. absolutely ashamed of Sausalito. Thank you. . |
| 01:10:25.78 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:10:27.15 | Angel | Thank you. |
| 01:10:27.20 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:10:27.22 | Mickey Allison | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:10:28.01 | Angel | Hi, can we restart the call? |
| 01:10:28.08 | Mickey Allison | Yes. |
| 01:10:28.47 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:10:28.53 | Mickey Allison | Bye. Hi. |
| 01:10:33.21 | Angel | Hi, I'm Amy, we're at the clock. |
| 01:10:34.07 | Jill Hoffman | Uh, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Hey, sorry, Madam Clerk, can you please... There you go. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead, ma'am. |
| 01:10:40.80 | Angel | I'm Angel. I'm from San Francisco and I've been out here for almost two years and I have been continuously trying to get resources from everyone from your guys's sheriffs to the Harbor master to the city of Sausalito. I've had several interviews. I've had no callbacks. I've had nothing. there's no steps at all to take. Like I work on the water. I'm, in good standing like I don't do. I don't like break laws and all that stuff. Like I just wanted resources and services and and I I thought that every county and every city should have like at least like steps to you know, improve your situation. I lost everything because of COVID. and I had nowhere to live and my friend gave me a boat. So I got on a boat and I have severe complex PTSD from them. just feeling like they're gonna take my boat every time I leave my boat. Um, I've tried to do the safe harbor program. They gave me the run around. I would just really like to see like some concrete steps on how to improve your situation. So some of us that are actually competent can do that because I can't do it. You guys are not giving me anything at all. Like it's so frustrating and so discouraging when You guys don't help. Like, I can't. I'm done. |
| 01:12:11.91 | Kelly Stevens | All right. Woo-hoo! |
| 01:12:14.41 | Angel | Anybody else want to talk? |
| 01:12:14.56 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:12:14.58 | Kelly Stevens | Thank you. |
| 01:12:14.68 | Ian Sobieski | I'm sorry. |
| 01:12:14.97 | Jill Hoffman | No, no, no. |
| 01:12:16.20 | Kelly Stevens | Anybody else? |
| 01:12:17.12 | Angel | Thank you. |
| 01:12:17.14 | Jill Hoffman | OK, that's it. |
| 01:12:18.09 | Kelly Stevens | Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:12:18.29 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. Madam Clerk, let's move on then to our next. public comment? |
| 01:12:24.65 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. Our next public commenter is Paul Mowry. Paul, you've been unmuted. That was great. |
| 01:12:30.88 | Mickey Allison | Thank you. |
| 01:12:31.11 | Kelly Stevens | That was good. That was good. Yeah, that was good. |
| 01:12:31.74 | Ian Sobieski | . |
| 01:12:33.32 | Heidi Scoble | Um... |
| 01:12:33.75 | Jill Hoffman | Madam Clerk, I think we need to mute one of our speakers. There we go. There you go. Mr. Mowry, go ahead. |
| 01:12:42.79 | Paul Mowry | Great, thank you so much. I've spent meaningful time at the new camp and many of our neighbors there are people I've known for years and the council passed its resolution to explore every opportunity to provide shelter and care for those without a home and treat all individuals experiencing homelessness with compassion and dignity. I was with Councilmember Blaustein this weekend and she met a lot of the camp neighbors and I echo her observations that our neighbors there at the camp need really important support services We have older folks with physical challenges, mental health needs. There's a real deficit right now in this area, and there are very important needs, and I believe addressing them will help improve many aspects of the community. I think it's, money, it would have a lot of fame for the buck. And while there have been some efforts in this direction, not much has really been accomplished. And I think what you hear in the frustration that Jeff Chase expressed tonight and Angel's experience of seeking help and going through all the steps and not getting callbacks and not getting help that she shared tonight that is very common that is what the experience is on the ground people in the camp see caseworkers come and go they hear about money spent for what's supposed to be help but they don't experience any real support and that's why you hear all of that frustration and anger I really, really hope you'll put financial resources into meetings the needs of these most neediest neighbors. And a quick word about security. I agree, keeping our neighbors at Marinship Park safe is a great goal. Imprisoning them certainly is not, and I know that's not anyone's goal. The challenge is that sometimes our best intentions can result in undesirable results. So I would stress that how security is set up is really critical. And it's critical that our neighbors at the camp be a part of the implementation because We definitely don't want to accidentally create an occupation zone. I know the police department makes regular ongoing contact with our neighbors in the fence as Council member Blaustein was there. I know others of you have been down there. But the important thing I think is that The council really have firsthand sense of the area and the neighbors who are being impacted by this. And so I really hope that Thank you. you'll actively increase and creatively engaged this community so that we aren't coming up with solutions that are being imposed, which have a much less chance of being successful. as we are. organically working and engaging the community as we would with any stakeholder so that we can find out, come to some solutions that have a higher chance at being productive. So this community is definitely like the most stressed out, leading the most stressed out lives in Sassia right now. Thank you all for all the energy that you all put into serving this city. It's a lot of work and I appreciate |
| 01:15:51.03 | SPEAKER_15 | Bye. I appreciate it. Thank you. |
| 01:16:01.28 | SPEAKER_15 | Our next speaker is Ava Crisante. Ava, you've been asked to be unmuted and share your video. |
| 01:16:13.98 | Ava Crisante | Hi there, can you hear me okay? Yes, we can go ahead. Terrific. Thank you, Mayor Hoffman. I just want to point out We've been here before in the state of California. We went through this in the 1930s, when we had, I don't know how many Dust Bowl migrants slash refugees. from a totally different manmade crisis. that kind of parallels this one. And a couple of years ago, when I was working with homeless communities in the East Bay, I took the time to reread John Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath. And I was shocked because I hadn't read it in about 40 years. And it's it's such |
| 01:16:51.26 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:16:57.82 | Ava Crisante | an angry book and it's such a brilliant and beautiful book. I'm But there are lots of solutions in that book because Steinbeck did an enormous amount of research for it. I called Rick Wartzman, a former Wall Street Journal reporter who wrote a book about. the banning and burning of John Steinbeck's book, The Grapes of Wrath. And he told me that one of the things, one of the solutions I like so much is the weed patch camp. And I kept asking him, What made Weed Patch so efficient financially? And why was it able to provide so much for so little money to so many quote unquote Oki families. And he, being a Wall Street Journal reporter, he provided some documents for me. But he suggested very gently that I was missing a point. It wasn't, you know, the main feature wasn't that it was so terribly efficient. I'm sorry, there's a bird flying over me. It wasn't, the really big part of it was that it had this incredible democratic structure. And so it was designed to give a sense of purpose and meaning to people who had lost their homes back in Oklahoma and other parts affected by the Dust Bowl crisis, and it, It empowered them. And if you think about how much trauma unhoused people go through, this is something that can really be powerful. So I think a lot of the suggestions, David Schoenbrun's suggestion at the beginning of public comment was terrific. And that was echoed by many others. giving people a job in their own community is a great way to start. AND We need to think about what worked before. And I think John Steinbeck is not a bad place to start, but Rick Wortsman's book, Obscene in the Extreme, the banning and burning of John Steinbeck's Grapes or Graft will also provide some insight into what surrounded that book and why it was so powerful. Wishing us all luck. All right, thanks. |
| 01:19:19.09 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:19:19.47 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 01:19:24.69 | Heidi Scoble | Our next speaker has two initials TT. You've been asked to be unmuted and start your video. |
| 01:19:37.51 | Jeffrey Chase | Hi, my name is Charlie and I'm an advocate for equity, diversity and progress in Sausalito. That being said, I can't disagree with the comments of my friends and associates at the camp. and those of us who provide support on the perimeter. I have three things I would like to address. I'm just gonna run through them. I made notes and then of course that will allow you to respond. First and foremost, I appreciate in advance Melissa Blaustein's contribution and participation on the topic. With all due respect, my ask, has anyone else on the panel, if any, actually walked the encampment? and had a human interaction with the occupants. TO. Can we confirm that Urban Alchemy is the provider being considered for contracted security services? If not, who? And three, in my opinion, over-policing and under-serving has contributed to a chaotic and unsafe environment at Marinship. That being said, has the city council mayor or manager considered or reviewed the transitioning sheltering policy that was updated by FEMA on July 27th, 2021. as an additional resource for each member of the encampment. Thank you. |
| 01:20:54.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. I don't see any for their hands. |
| 01:21:00.72 | Heidi Scoble | Madam Mayor, you are correct. There are no additional hands raised at this time. |
| 01:21:00.91 | Jill Hoffman | Have a great day. |
| 01:21:04.94 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. With that, then I will close public comment and we will move on to our council discussions. Who would like to start us off? Councilman Blaustein has her hand up, so Go ahead. I think she had her anniversary. |
| 01:21:18.09 | Melissa Blaustein | I think she had a first time. That's okay, and I just have a couple of questions too before comments, but... Thank you. |
| 01:21:22.80 | Melissa Blaustein | Oh, yeah, go ahead. I think that one has to go first. No, you go ahead and ask questions and I'll |
| 01:21:25.83 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 01:21:27.88 | Melissa Blaustein | Give my comment after. |
| 01:21:32.48 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 01:21:32.52 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 01:21:32.53 | Melissa Blaustein | Go ahead. |
| 01:21:32.95 | Jill Hoffman | from Mayor Cleeseonels. |
| 01:21:33.90 | Melissa Blaustein | Okay, I was having trouble unmuting. Yeah, so there were just a couple of issues brought up by members of the public that I just wanted to get some clarity on. I mean, first, and also Council Member Bostein, first is this question of services. And, you know, traditionally, in a county structure the service providers especially social service and support are provided by the county. So I'm just wondering if somebody could sort of describe for us and for the public what services the county is currently providing to our the camp. So what do we, Do we have anyone? Is there anyone from County Social Services here on the call or? |
| 01:22:22.06 | Jill Hoffman | No, but our city manager might or I can provide some information or Council Member Blassey might want to provide some. So, I don't hear anybody. I can ask. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I can. |
| 01:22:31.91 | Melissa Blaustein | Certainly. Yeah. |
| 01:22:34.02 | Heidi Scoble | . Go ahead. |
| 01:22:36.96 | Jill Hoffman | So, um yeah so councilman click knows you are correct it is the county that is usually um a task with providing social services, but we haven't had that from the county. We've had a little bit from, The, some of the case workers from downtown streets have been and, at some points directed to provide services to the encampment as well as out on the water. They've had a problem with their case management workers and So we're experiencing a period where we're not receiving a whole lot of services from the county. So that's why we're seeing a gap in capability. and success. I think, in the encampment. So that's why we're left with trying to provide these services ourselves and finding a service provider that can be successful. We haven't seen that yet. And then, |
| 01:23:36.02 | Melissa Blaustein | The second question I had is at our last, I think, open, or one of our first open meetings on this back in January or February, we talked about There are a lot of residents who spoke that wanted to help and wanted to support people who are experiencing homelessness. We talked about a GoFundMe or some kind of community support. I'm just wondering if we've been working with our faith-based community or with anyone else on some kind of a mechanism or residents and others who want to help to help |
| 01:24:14.62 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, so I'll answer that too. And then I know Council Member Blossie might want to jump in too. So one of the things we did last spring was, we did a community forum on how people can help. One really great way would be to open up an ADU through Marine Housing Authority. for placement of a homeless person, understanding that they can get up, people can get up to a $40,000 loan Um, interest-free loan to bring a unit up to code so that it can be legally an ADU that they can place into service as homeless housing and that the the homeowner can actually pick the person and screen the person that they want to have in their ADU. That was our first effort at that. We've, I've also engaged with, and I think obviously Councilman Blaustein has as well, to have him and see what we can do to further outreach to this faith-based community on that effort and other efforts to support you know, the issues that we have with the homeless encampment homelessness in general, frankly. So What we'd like to do is create some kind of a program here that we can you know, lead the way in Southern Marin for addressing this issue. We view this as a regional issue. Most of this is tied to what's going on out on the water, out in Richardson Bay Regional Agency waters, meaning not Sausalito waters, waters that are managed by the county belvedere tiburon mill valley as richardson bay regional agencies so I think we've had positive feedback from those member agencies to help. We're trying to figure out a way for them to successfully provide assistance. Those are some of the things that Councilman Blossy and I are working on. So go ahead, Councilor Blasi, I know you have some more to add to this. |
| 01:26:14.16 | Melissa Blaustein | I just had, I'm sorry, Mayor, I just had one last question, which is a number of speakers mentioned. |
| 01:26:18.18 | Jill Hoffman | I wasn't finished though. Hold on, I wasn't finished with the faith-based. Oh, sorry. Okay. Yeah, so that's why I wanted Councilman Blasey to weigh in, that's okay. |
| 01:26:20.60 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 01:26:20.62 | Melissa Blaustein | Right. |
| 01:26:20.94 | Melissa Blaustein | . |
| 01:26:24.40 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah, I've met with members of the faith. We actually convened a meeting with all of the members of the faith-based community to talk about outreach specifically for the encampment and what we might do for those experiencing homelessness. And I just really want to acknowledge that there has been tremendous independent community support. I mean, you heard from Mickey Allison, who's in the camp right now, and lots of folks are showing up. And I'm in constant contact with |
| 01:26:42.71 | Melissa Blaustein | Right. |
| 01:26:47.08 | Melissa Blaustein | Pastor Paul, about the needs and about what's being done. But there are a lot of residents who independently are taking it upon themselves to check in, to make sure that folks are, you know, just see how people are doing, but a more organized effort in partnership and collaboration with the faith-based community and continuing those conversations would be impactful. We hadn't considered specifically a GoFundMe campaign, but but I think if we had ongoing conversations with the residents and a further understanding of what services were really needed, then we could have a directed GoFundMe for a specific request. So I appreciate that you're bringing that up. |
| 01:27:25.52 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 01:27:27.02 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so go ahead, Councilor McLevin-Alge, you had another question? |
| 01:27:29.71 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah, sorry, just the last one. So a number of folks brought up issue of security versus feeling imprisoned. And I was just wanted, this is probably directed towards our city manager about whether in providing security, he would be open to consulting with the residents of the encampment and incorporating some of their ideas and their Yeah. about how best to provide more security and safety, both to the residents and surrounding neighbors. |
| 01:28:10.19 | Jill Hoffman | Mr. Zapata, you're on mute. |
| 01:28:14.98 | Chris Zapata | Okay. In response to that question, thank you, Councilman Claude Linneaus. I think I mentioned earlier that it made sense to me to get input from the folks living in the Marin ship. In my mind, it makes sense to get input from the people around it as well. and you know marry that into some strategy that people understand and hopefully something that's effective. So the answer would be yes. |
| 01:28:39.54 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thanks. Okay, thanks. I see Hanta from I don't know who raised their hand first. So council member Blaustein, vice mayor Kelman and council member Sobieski. So since council member Sobieski don't think has asked a question yet, do you guys mind if I Go to him first or? |
| 01:28:56.43 | Ian Sobieski | or |
| 01:28:57.53 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. We're in Mitz. Only if he unmutes. |
| 01:29:01.26 | Ian Sobieski | I'm happy to wait my turn. I will send you know both ahead of me. |
| 01:29:05.57 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Are we still asking questions or proposing? I have questions. So I think we're still on questions. I think we're on follow-up questions. |
| 01:29:08.29 | Janelle Kellman | I get it. I think we're |
| 01:29:12.60 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:29:14.87 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:29:14.89 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 01:29:14.92 | Janelle Kellman | Okay, I'll follow. Go ahead. |
| 01:29:19.38 | Ian Sobieski | Me? Yes. |
| 01:29:20.15 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 01:29:21.99 | Ian Sobieski | It was mentioned that aside from the gentleman who received housing for the veterans, his veterans benefits. No one has been housed in our encampment during the time. That is correct. I wanted just to verify Is that true? No one was housed through governmental actions. Was anyone housed through any action of private individuals, faith-based groups, or nonprofits that are advocates for this issue? |
| 01:29:48.86 | Jill Hoffman | Not that I'm aware of. |
| 01:29:48.94 | Ian Sobieski | that I'm going to. Thank you. That was my only question. Thank you. |
| 01:29:53.77 | Janelle Kellman | Okay. So Mayor, I don't know if I can chime in here. So this is really a question and also sort of a statement, which is that I know that the the working group yourself and Councilmember Blas have been working tirelessly on this. And I know that our city manager has been doing the same And I would love it, we just took us a quick step back. It occurs to me that through the questions that are being asked, that the dissemination of information needs to improve. They're just factual questions that we're just not getting out to the public. And if you're if you can, I would love to hear from the city manager in the working group. on just kind of educating all of us and informing the public because you guys have been working so hard on this and i think it feels like there might be a little bit more understanding of where we as a city can make a difference where the county can make a difference where the opportunities are short-term and long-term and so you know before we start to make decisions i'm hearing questions about home key room key could we go back to the county and get more funding? What services are needed? Well, what's urban alchemy doing? What are the safety issues in the encampment, outside the encampment? Somebody said the city is taking people off the water. We know that's not the case. We know it's the county through RBRA. More granular description of the needs around security. If we can just maybe have a little bit more factual sharing and dissemination information, I think that will really inform this dialogue, further dialogues, but you guys have been working so hard on this. I just don't know if that's coming through and I want to make sure that, you know, we turn to the working group and you share that information with everybody. Thank you. |
| 01:31:35.97 | Jill Hoffman | Okay? I know. Don't disagree with that. |
| 01:31:37.85 | Chris Zapata | Do you want me to respond to that, Mayor? Mayor? |
| 01:31:40.45 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, go ahead, Chris. |
| 01:31:41.62 | Chris Zapata | Yeah, I think that that point is well taken. I think this conversation tonight is is in line with that request. last council meeting there was a homeless committee update provided by and I don't know if the mayor provided, but I know that was done. And that's, you know, as we get more information and want to provide it, we certainly can. And obviously there are parts in, the council agenda that allows for the committees to report. And this one absolutely is, you know, long overdue in my mind, but it's here now. And we can do better in that regard to provide, as you said, the granular data that you would want to hear with some some of these situations and concerns and questions to clarify them for everybody. |
| 01:32:33.48 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Thank you. Um, Go ahead, Council Member Blaustein. |
| 01:32:39.04 | Melissa Blaustein | Are we done with follow-up questions and moving down? |
| 01:32:40.92 | Jill Hoffman | Look, Okay, that's a good question. That is a good question. Yeah. |
| 01:32:45.03 | Janelle Kellman | Looks like we're finished with. But does the, well does the committee want to, share more about the efforts, the dynamic with the county, anything that came up tonight that you feel would be worthwhile you know, bring us all on the same page. |
| 01:32:58.74 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, I was planning to do some of that. I'm betting Councilor Blasdina does as well. So go ahead. Go ahead, Councillor Lassie. Thank you. |
| 01:33:07.01 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah, I mean, and we can, I'm sure I'll cover a lot of this in my comments, vice mayor, so you'll get answers many of those questions and it is a very certainly a very complex issue and And I do want to you know, appreciate that the folks who are experiencing homelessness were brave enough to get on and make public comment and speak out about their experience. Obviously we know that there are community impacts with the location of the encampment and we've heard from neighboring property owners about incidents like arson or theft or vandalism. But at the same time when you visit the encampment you've heard issues within the encampment. um, as well and walking through there, what's really clear to me and talking to people is yes, we, the County is, SENDING theoretically sending in services to provide for folks. But what I heard, I mean, I talked with one woman who's disabled. who's probably in her 60s, who said she's been trying to get help for housing for several months, who's been unhoused since November, and who hasn't really been asked or checked on in quite a long time. And it was really disappointing to hear that. And when you ask the residents, they say, um you know urban alchemy is here and they're nice um but you know the downtown streets has come maybe maybe once a week and I asked a lot of residents, have you been asked about housing? Have you been asked if you want housing? How are you? Do you feel safe? And the answer to a lot of those questions was, No. And that was really disappointing for me. And I think it's really critical that we do everything we can to have a collaborative approach with the residents of the encampment and the neighbors of the encampment to make sure that it is a safe environment. And that's why. |
| 01:34:53.12 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 01:34:53.15 | Ian Sobieski | you |
| 01:34:53.18 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 01:34:54.70 | Melissa Blaustein | you know i see and i hear that the need for something like security but i obviously think that we absolutely as well need to provide services and what those services exactly are we need to determine because we're not getting the level of service that we need at this point from from the county, though I appreciate that this is a very largely newly increased population of those living unhoused right now, given the COVID crisis and the challenges that the county has had to face. And they are also working hard to provide permanent solutions through Home Key and Room Key and identifying sites in Southern Marin is a challenge Funding is a challenge, but the reality is on the ground, when you talk to people in the encampment, don't have what they need and the neighbors feel that they are in a not necessarily safe environment. So we need to do something about that. I would recommend or I'm suggesting and would really like to see if we are going to allocate $185,000, which is a substantial sum, that at least, you know, that we consider a program for security, perhaps for three months, if that's what's being considered. And the vendor, by the way, is not yet, we don't know who will be responsible for security. So perhaps we can consider a collaborative approach with residents, speaking to residents in the encampment around those opportunities. But I would like to propose that we do, you know, three months of some sort of security program, but also half of, at least half of that funding go directly to services for things like mental health, things like people checking in and just being aware of what's going on and what's needed on the ground. You know, in the neighboring Marina Plaza, we have the Marin County Cooperation Team who's reached out to us about wanting to provide those services. For instance, I've heard from the residents that they just need, They severely need health services. They need mental health services. They need people to check on them regularly. They need help with things like getting their social security and being able to apply for a job and have the agency that comes with the dignity of work So I think You know, we can take a collaborative approach here. Obviously we need to do, we need to engage in conversation towards getting services and security so that the residents of the encampment have what we promised to them, which is a safe environment and also so that our neighboring property owners feel that they are getting the support they need. Um, Also wanted to share that in looking for additional funding for this, because this might be a three month temporary solution And I can go into the timeline around Home Key, which applications for that should open up in a week or so, but we have yet to identify a site in Southern Marin beyond the Larkspur site. But I did see in researching potential funding that there is funding available through the California Housing and Community Development Department for California Emergency Solutions and Housing or CESH. So I'm hopeful that we can apply for grant funding for that to continue to help us with in ongoing housing and also ongoing services. So anyway, I just would like to suggest or recommend that rather than allocate all of the funding towards six months of security, that half or if not more than half goes towards services and that we have a collaborative approach and conversation around what a code of conduct and security looks like. |
| 01:38:01.80 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thanks. Thank you. Does anybody want to go in that? So if you don't, I'll go. Okay, no hands, I'll go. Okay. So. You know, council member Blousting and I've been working on this since February. And I went back and looked through my emails recently and February 3rd, we talked to the county about providing us some room key homes. room key rooms for some of the people that were at that point had been migrated ashore from county waters because of the storm in January. And so um we didn't receive any rooms at that point and we haven't received any rooms since so i think um Yeah, I think we're very close to calling on the county to institute emergency measures to address the ability to rehouse individuals who are without shelter, much like the successful effort that was set up in 2019 in Sonoma County to address encampments along the Joe Rodata Trail in Sonoma. In addressing this situation, I think Councilmember Blousey and I have both learned that there's a missing piece of the continuum of care in Marin County. And that is the transition of people out of encampments and into supportive housing. There's a disconnect. for the most vulnerable. An interim transitional step is needed It's something along the lines of Los Gallicos Village that I toured with Marine County Health and Human Services, County supervisors. some county supervisors, and service providers in March. This is highlighted by the fact that despite continuous efforts by myself, Councilman Blaustein, Chief Robacher, City Manager, and efforts to coordinate with nonprofit Service providers have failed to successfully transition anyone into housing. Council Member Blousey and I first requested assistance in February. Um. And not one person has been re housed through that system. One, There was one person that was rehoused, but he was rehoused through Veterans Services. This is not acceptable. in an effort to understand the complexity of the problem and craft a solution Council Member Blousey and I have been working and pressing on all of the issues all avenues that we can find and chase down. I have toured homeward bound facilities, I toured the current Councilman Blassey and I both tour the current a service support area in San Rafael. I toured the Los Gallicos facility in Sonoma. We've seen what's working and where there are gaps in the service providers. I'm calling on the county to engage with Sausalito in a meaningful way and either provide a path to shelter or accept our suggestion as setting up a single transitional facility at a location in the to serve all three encampments in Marin County modeled on the one in Sonoma. to augment the current voucher system. From our perspective, the current system is a fail. I understand there are many factors that are challenging, but failure to house anyone from the socio-encampment in the last seven months is not acceptable. In the meantime, we need to institute some additional measures at our encampment, specifically security and ability to connect people to services. which is not being fulfilled by the nonprofit that's been engaged by the county. |
| 01:41:15.32 | Jill Hoffman | So I would suggest that we adopt the resolution that's been proposed, modifying the standard operating procedures adopted pursuant to resolution number 6009 and authorizing the use of enhanced security And I would add, as well as outreach services, at the city manager's discretion. at the designated transitional area 24 hour 24 hours per day, the security 24 hours a day, seven days per week. for a period of up to six months, not to exceed $185,000. In other words, the city manager would have the discretion to use those funds up to six months for both security and outreach services. I would suggest that this is the path that we go on at this point. um, But we need to engage in a more aggressive manner with our regional partners to come up with a solution for this problem. |
| 01:42:16.29 | Jill Hoffman | So do we have any comments or do we have a motion? |
| 01:42:19.31 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah, I have a couple of comments, but I'm supportive of the motion. supportive of the comments that council member Baustein made about services and I think the amendment that you just made Mayor Hoffman is kind of implementing that. Is that, do I understand that correctly? Great. |
| 01:42:37.35 | Jill Hoffman | That's what I was trying to do. |
| 01:42:37.65 | Melissa Blaustein | So, I'm sorry. Perfect. I do feel just to continue on the questions that I was asking, I do feel like with the service portion, that we do have a tremendous opportunity to get engagement from our uh, residents. And I would just ask perhaps that the working group or I would be happy to do it if you guys are too tapped out you know, engage with Pastor Paul and other to maybe find someone that could be take that local fundraising off of |
| 01:43:13.04 | Jeffrey Chase | I'm not. |
| 01:43:15.11 | Melissa Blaustein | staff. for the subcommittee and really help. I think if the money is going for services, I think that would be something that people could really get behind and maybe we can match our 185. or at least augment it. So I'm very supportive of that. Um, And I'm supportive of your resolution, Mayor Hoffman. I also just feel like this conversation has, and some of the comments made by the public has heightened my sense that we need to kind of get a handle on the overall financial picture. and have a financial strategy about how and... exactly how our dollars are going. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. and our strategy for addressing the issue. So that's probably a question for a topic for another day. And then I did wanna come back to the, transitional and supportive housing and some of the opportunity sites that we have here. and the possibility that Sausalito can be part of the solution on that front. um so i would really uh council member cox and i were working pretty hard this was before even the encampment, but also just recognizing the need for our Safe Harbor program and for other housing opportunities for folks on the water and other people experiencing homelessness. And so she had gotten started and then I got involved in this conversation I'd be happy to continue that conversation on some of these sites or to volunteer with any other person on the council who has time and interest. in vetting the sites. you know, both within Sausalito and outside of Sausalito. But I think with the state funding and with some potential federal funding that this is the time. Uh, to have sites ready. And really kind of, I know everybody has been super busy and engaged with kind of the more immediate questions, but this long-term question of permanent supportive housing permanent transitional housing. and housing in general is just really the fundamental question, I think. for our community. and for our neighbors in the encampment. Thank you. you know, as everyone spoke to, having your own space and a door you can lock you know, is kind of a basic fundamental right. And I think we should be working towards that long term. So I'm happy to help in any way. to move some of those, the discussion on the sites that we had forward to look at other possible sites. and to help that conversation. So thank you. And, um, I have. Thank you. |
| 01:45:57.01 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:45:57.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:45:57.05 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:45:57.06 | Jill Hoffman | this. |
| 01:45:57.96 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you, Vice Mayor. |
| 01:45:58.36 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:45:58.95 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you, Mayor Hoffman. I also can support the resolution as you articulated. I think your adenum was very helpful. I do want to, also echo what councilman Cleveland Knowles was saying about a financial strategy and then come back to the outline. It feels like we're missing a work plan. Council Member Blaustein you had some really excellent ideas around a collaborative approach looking for grants, but it raises a lot of questions, right? So, you know, if we're looking for a single transitional facility, it's got to serve all three encampments that how how do we get the county more involved what's our work plan to go to the county and and get them to to step up in a big way If we're talking about grants, we had someone from the Sierra Club today. How do we get Reverend Mallory? How do we get the Sierra Club engaged on helping us with some of this fundraising or finding other opportunities to bring financial support? I have huge questions around who coordinates social services. I like giving the city manager the authority to use money for social services. I'm blown away that the county hasn't been able to provide the level that is clearly needed. It's just extremely troubling. And I want the city to be able to help with that. But we need a work plan for how we're going to coordinate those services. I'd like more granularity around urban alchemy. We should have a list of the needs based on the contract, the amount of money we've spent on them. We should have a detailed outline in the staff report. Here's the number of people who are there, a number of people been offered housing. Here's who's declined housing. Here's why they declined housing. I don't have that information and it would be helpful for me to really, understand that so I know how the county has failed to successfully transition people to housing so those are just some things I think maybe we can start being around developing a work plan as opposed to having these meetings where we have these ideas, but we don't have a coordinated strategy. But I will echo Mayor Hoffman's point of view around getting the County to provide us with all of these key services. Maybe it was our mistake to think that that was their role, but as far as I know, have always thought it is and I'm a little, I'm troubled, not a little troubled, very that we have haven't had the level of services we need. I'm not at all prepared to start looking at supportive housing sites. I think that's extremely premature to start vetting that. We have to go to the county and engage those county partners first. We also have a housing element. that's being prepared is probably a good place to start looking at that so we don't violate the Brown Act. So I think it's premature. I understand the strategy around it, but I think we need this work plan to provide both security and social services to the encampment. And let's fix that and address that and support the people who are truly in need. |
| 01:48:45.97 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thanks. Anyone else or do I hear a motion? Councilmember Sobieski, go ahead. |
| 01:48:50.60 | Ian Sobieski | I'll just make the comment that I just wanted to be sure i just want to say how heartbreaking the whole conversation continues to be and this situation is I do know on Maslow's hierarchy of needs that you can't get to anything else until you have And that's the minimum function of government, is to provide security for its population. IT'S QUITE AN INVESTMENT. for the city to commit these extra resources to that area. I know our downtown, for instance, merchants have been asking for more police presence in response to smash and grabs and a spike in petty crime. and We will not, money we'll be spending on security in the encampment in Winship Park is money we could be spending on security in other parts of town. So it is definitely an investment in the welfare of that area of town and the people who are living there. and not a trivial investment at that. uh, So I support that. and absolutely would encourage consideration of spending even more money on additional services. that we delineate. marries the two together and I'll vote for it. But I would |
| 01:50:11.37 | David Shunbrun | Thank you. |
| 01:50:11.42 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:50:11.44 | David Shunbrun | Thank you. |
| 01:50:11.54 | Ian Sobieski | and it's not. |
| 01:50:13.21 | Ian Sobieski | Welcome. a specific conversation about services that we can provide that actually move the needle on outcomes. or not. simply efforts. to assuage our frustration about the intractability of these kinds of challenges. I don't know what the answers are, but I'm disheartened by them. Um, and just want to make sure that we at least do well the basic function of government, which is to provide security. There are many things in town where GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WORK AS WELL AS WE WISH AND THERE ARE COMPLAINTS ACROSS THE BOARD ABOUT MANY ambitious goals of government. But we gotta at least make sure we do our basic function well and I hope we will. start with first things first. I'll only add on a personal note. THAT I'M A LITTLE TOO discouraged with all the people of goodwill and the substantial resources both in our city and Rembrandt County THAT INDIVIDUALS ACTING PERSON TO PERSON HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HOUSE ANYONE. I APPRECIATE THAT WE ALL LOOK TO GOVERNMENT FOR SOLUTIONS. but we're a nation of private enterprise and private INITIATIVE. And, uh, and I'm, I just feel like that should be part of the answer. So everyone who cares on this issue, I would just be struck by the fact that, you know, part of my story is in 1944, when Warsaw was evacuated by the Germans, Hundreds of thousands of people became homeless in a week and hundreds of thousands of people were housed. in the countryside who welcome people into their homes. There is a person-to-person action that may not solve the whole problem, but that is more than looking for government to come up with the solutions. So I think everyone needs to try to feel like they've done something. I'm not sure. and has done, I've done their part. And I certainly always, come back to whether Sausalito as a city is doing its part in this. I don't think that we as a city are going to solve homelessness. in Marin County. and we're not going to solve it permanently. to be satisfied that we've done our part. So I'm going to support this resolution as a continuing effort in doing our part. |
| 01:52:37.17 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. Okay, so I kind of made a motion, but let me just do it again. just so it's clear it sounds like everybody's so I'll just make it and then someone else can second it and then we'll vote okay Okay, so I move that we adopt a resolution of the City Council of the City of Saucel, modifying standard operating procedure adopted pursuant to resolution number 6009 and authorizing use of enhanced security slash and or outreach services at the city manager's discretion at the designated transitional area, including 24 hour per day, seven days a week security for a period of six months, in amount not to exceed $185,000. I have a second. |
| 01:53:23.37 | Melissa Blaustein | I have a quick question on that because it says that there'll be 24-7 security for six months included, it implies, but I worry because that would take up the full $185,000. So I just want to be clear because that's an estimated cost for six months of security and it wouldn't cover any services if we were to provide it. So if we could strike the specifics of the security or just change it to a three-month period, otherwise I don't know how it would be spent on services too. |
| 01:53:45.06 | Jill Hoffman | know how Well, it would, my thought was that That's the outside, right? So if the city manager can work some kind of magic or we have some sort of I don't know, other funding, excess funding, whatever. up to or? Yeah. Okay. For a period up two. Does that work? Councilmember Hobart- Six months in an amount not to exceed $185,000 for the city manager understands that. |
| 01:54:04.70 | Melissa Blaustein | six months in an amount |
| 01:54:09.63 | Jill Hoffman | The budget is $185,000 up to six months for enhanced security and outreach services. |
| 01:54:19.79 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:54:19.89 | Ian Sobieski | I mean, I would also just welcome Tim Liss's point. having this issue again with the topic of additional spending on specific social services that can move the needle. on the welfare. |
| 01:54:29.73 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah. |
| 01:54:30.30 | Ian Sobieski | I can't admit members, you know, |
| 01:54:32.43 | Ian Sobieski | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:54:33.22 | Ian Sobieski | rather than say this is all the money we're going to spend. on security and services, I would welcome We're making a specific proposal on security We're adding services in there if there's excess money left over. but I think we shouldn't stop there. And if there are proposals that the working group want to put will put forward to provide meaningful services to the residents of the encampment than we should. I think consider spending that money. |
| 01:55:02.66 | Melissa Blaustein | Oh. I'm a little worried, because if it's specific just all for security for 24-7 for six months, I really want to be clear that half of it goes to services or that it's for three months of security just because we know the cost of security. And I think we really need a collaborative approach. Council member Sobieski that you would like it to cover all the security and if there's anything left over, but I just want to really be clear that it's not all dedicated to the 24 seven security. And if we're gonna do it that way, then we would have security and have services and do it for a period of three months. So we know that we have at least half and half cost. |
| 01:55:38.76 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, so I don't think you should get hung up on the six-month part. It's up to six months in an amount not to exceed, but to Council Member Sobieski's point, he would be supportive of additional spend, it sounds like, but this is just giving the city manager authority up to a certain amount. If he needs more or he needs to come back, Then he comes back. Right? Chris, do you understand why? |
| 01:56:01.71 | Chris Zapata | Yeah, I want to be clear on that. |
| 01:56:03.67 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:56:04.01 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:56:04.48 | Chris Zapata | on what I think I'm hearing and make sure that I manage the expectations. In my mind, I heard that we need to provide security, which was a recommendation, and that needs to be paralleled with services. And so the approach I would look at would be to balance equally |
| 01:56:18.05 | Ian Sobieski | And so, |
| 01:56:21.67 | Chris Zapata | those as long as the money lasted, and then I heard I could come back for more. |
| 01:56:25.74 | Jill Hoffman | That's what I'm thinking. Okay. So we're gonna add, |
| 01:56:29.22 | Chris Zapata | going to ask. |
| 01:56:30.15 | Jill Hoffman | We're going to add Up to six months. seven days a week and then we're gonna add up not to exceed I'm sorry it was not to exceed a period of six months in amount not to exceed 185,000, I think that was council members Laverne Knowles's point. |
| 01:56:46.78 | Janelle Kellman | Mayor Hoffman, I'm sure if the motion has been made or if it's still in process, I'll offer a subsidiary motion to amend your motion if so. But I think this could be solved by adding uh, had an organized work plan for security and social services with financial oversight. I don't want to have ambiguity around this. If part of this motion is the city manager creates an organized work plan to include this, plus some of the ideas that Councilman Blasian presented, I think moving forward, we'll have more foresight and we won't have any ambiguity |
| 01:57:20.89 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Anybody, everybody like that amendment? I have no objection to that. Amen. So how would it read then? |
| 01:57:27.37 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:57:29.75 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:57:29.78 | Janelle Kellman | So in addition to the language that we also direct city manager to draft an organized work plan for security and social services. with financial oversight and reconciliation. to present to council on a regular basis. |
| 01:57:44.45 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:57:44.60 | Janelle Kellman | THE END OF |
| 01:57:44.63 | Jill Hoffman | I'm sorry. |
| 01:57:44.66 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:57:44.92 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:57:44.95 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 01:57:44.97 | Jill Hoffman | that within the realm of possible City Manager. |
| 01:57:50.39 | Chris Zapata | Yes. |
| 01:57:51.62 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. All right. |
| 01:57:52.80 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 01:57:52.83 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:57:53.03 | Melissa Blaustein | So that's the motion? |
| 01:57:53.88 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:57:53.90 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. And council does that, I just want to be clear, council member Bogstein, does that address your concerns that you were? |
| 01:58:00.83 | Melissa Blaustein | It still has the, for the period of active six months and four services that I just wanna, or that goes away and it's just a work plan that is for social services and security, correct? |
| 01:58:11.68 | Jill Hoffman | So I think, I don't understand. Okay, so let's just put a pin in it. I don't understand what your concern is about the six month part. That's just an outside. If the money lasts up to six months, then it keeps going. If the money, you know, doesn't last to six months, if it's only three months, Okay, it's only three minutes, but I don't want to put a limit on it. If he can go past three months, then go past three months. And achieve everything we just talked about, right? No one's in disagreement about that. |
| 01:58:38.65 | Melissa Blaustein | Okay, I just know the cost of 24 seven security and the specificity of 24 seven security and its cost for six months and how much of that would be taken up by the $185,000. So that's what I was trying to reconcile here to be sure that there was a balance of services. It seems like Vice Mayor Kellman's addendum does that but if we could just read it with the sentence about security so that I can be sure, or is that removed based on Vice Mayor Kelman's is the time. |
| 01:59:05.61 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:59:05.63 | Melissa Blaustein | No, I think. |
| 01:59:05.68 | Ian Sobieski | No, I think who said it was- Could you just read it again for Council Member Blassey? |
| 01:59:06.09 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah. |
| 01:59:06.37 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 01:59:06.39 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 01:59:06.41 | Ian Sobieski | Bye. |
| 01:59:06.53 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 01:59:06.54 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:59:06.56 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:59:06.58 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 01:59:06.64 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 01:59:06.76 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:59:09.53 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 01:59:09.55 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Okay, so you understand it's not written anywhere, right? We're admitting this now. We're just doing this now. We're off the seat of our pants, right? We're going on the seat of our pants now. So this is the difficulty in drafting motions on the line. So this is my language. And then, or not my language, this was in the staff court, right? So this is what, Um... adopt a resolution of the city council of the city of Sausalito modifying the standard operating procedure adopted pursuant to resolution number 6009 and authorizing the use of enhanced security slash outreach and outreach services at the city manager's discretion at the designated transitional area including 24 hour per day seven days a week SECURITY. for a period up to six months in an amount not to exceed $185,000 period And then the vice mayor's amendment was and the city managers shall prepare a work order and including financial reconciliation with periodic reports to the city council. |
| 02:00:17.99 | Chris Zapata | One thing for me, could you make that clear that that $185,000 is if it's approved |
| 02:00:18.33 | Jill Hoffman | Right. |
| 02:00:18.60 | Ian Sobieski | you Thank you. |
| 02:00:24.99 | Chris Zapata | comes out of the reserve fund. |
| 02:00:28.08 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 02:00:29.16 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 02:00:30.90 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 02:00:31.19 | Mary Wagner | I got him there. out there. I apologize, Madam Mayor. I'm trying to make sure that we're capturing exactly what you're saying, because this is very important. So the title of the resolution is, I've added the language that you said about outreach services in a period of up to six months. |
| 02:00:48.15 | Ian Sobieski | Mm-hmm. |
| 02:00:48.35 | Mary Wagner | so the resolution title some is slightly different it's a resolution of the Sausalito City Council authorizing the city manager to promulgate and enforce rules and codes of conduct for the use of the area designated by the city manager for transitional overnight sleeping by persons who have no option to sleep indoors, the designated transitional area, and authorizing the use of up to 24-hour security and providing outreach services at the designated transitional area for a period of up to six months in an amount not to exceed 185,000. |
| 02:01:22.20 | Janelle Kellman | I think you want to say authorize the use up to 185,000 of to be used for social services and security. per the seating mayors is your discretion not to exceed a period. I think that's- |
| 02:01:35.16 | Mary Wagner | you're If I may, so that was just the title of the resolution. Then there's a section in the resolution, actually what you're resolving. |
| 02:01:38.94 | Janelle Kellman | Oh, God. |
| 02:01:39.43 | Stanford Hughes | Thank you. |
| 02:01:39.45 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:01:40.34 | Janelle Kellman | I'm excited. |
| 02:01:43.65 | Mary Wagner | which I've changed to say it's Security and Outreach Services is the title. And then it says the city manager or his designee is hereby authorized to cause there to be up to 24 hour security. at the designated transitional area and to provide outreach services And then it's in any other area. So designated by the city manager. For a period of up to six months in an amount not to exceed $185,000, the city manager is also directed to draft a work plan for outreach and security services and a financial reconciliation and report back to the council. |
| 02:02:18.58 | Jill Hoffman | Did I get everything? Okay. Okay. So moved. Yes. Second. I'm happy to second. Okay, thank you. All right, can the Madam Clerk, can you please take the roll? |
| 02:02:35.08 | Melissa Blaustein | Sorry, I don't, I just, are we getting, somewhere in the resolution can we say we'll have a collaborative with the residents about the security or the type of security or services |
| 02:02:45.82 | Melissa Blaustein | the city manager said that he would be willing to do that and we have a lot of people |
| 02:02:49.90 | Jill Hoffman | That's understandable. |
| 02:02:49.93 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 02:02:50.12 | Chris Zapata | That's understood. |
| 02:02:51.11 | Jill Hoffman | That's understood. That's understood. Please, let's just vote. Can we just vote, please? For the love of God, let's vote. Take the roll. Madam Clerk. |
| 02:02:59.25 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 02:02:59.28 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. How's it going? |
| 02:02:59.98 | Heidi Scoble | Sobansky. |
| 02:03:01.19 | Ian Sobieski | Yes. |
| 02:03:02.22 | Heidi Scoble | Council member Blaustein. Yes. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles? Vice Mayor Kellman? Yes. |
| 02:03:09.83 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:03:09.86 | Heidi Scoble | Mayor Hoffman. |
| 02:03:10.74 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, motion passes unanimous. Okay, thank you very much. Moving on. To our next item on the agenda is Consideration of amendments. to the lease agreement between the city of Sausalito and New Village School. MLK to include the rental of room 350 and additional outdoor space. I believe our parks and recreation director, Mike Langford will be giving the presentation. |
| 02:03:46.72 | Mike Langford | Good evening again, Madam Mayor and City Council. Mike Langford here, this time returning as the active, excuse me, acting property manager. The New Village School is one of our anchor tenants at the MLK campus. and they have requested to rent additional space so that they can add a preschool to their offering. Staff is asking council to consider the request and approve excuse me, and provide staff with direction. I would now like to turn it over to Jeffrey Barnaby from the New Village School so that he may give a presentation on their request. |
| 02:04:23.81 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Hello everyone, can you hear me? |
| 02:04:24.60 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Thank you. Yes. |
| 02:04:25.77 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Thank you. Okay, would you like me to go through the full presentation or should we just talk? I'm happy to show images if that's |
| 02:04:35.13 | Jill Hoffman | I believe we need to have context so why don't you |
| 02:04:35.23 | Ian Sobieski | Uh. |
| 02:04:40.97 | Jill Hoffman | Just briefly go through the proposed changes. And I think there'll probably be some questions about the finance issues and impact. |
| 02:04:41.11 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Yep. |
| 02:04:41.83 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:04:55.11 | Jeffrey Barnaby | So just a little bit of context, you know, for those who don't know, the New Village School is a small private school currently serving families in grades K through eight. And, you know, we're really a strong part of the fabric of our community. The school is a longstanding tenant MLK campus and we've grown over the last 12 years to a flourishing community of 120, between 120 and 125 students. We have 10 amazing full-time teachers and many supporting staff as well. We also have a very strong community of families and alumni that, you know, in and around the Sausalito area. Currently our student body is made up of about 35% families from the city of Sausalito, and about 30 are from central and southern Marin. While we're a private school, we do deliberately try to keep our tuition low. In fact, we're much lower than any of the other private schools in the area. We want to try to keep our school to be as inclusive as possible and available to more families. And we also work with our families who need assistance on tuition as well. And probably about 50% of the families are currently through because of the pandemic having some sort of assistance. You know, the New Village School is founded on the premise that it takes a village to raise a child, and the children, you know, really engage in learning best when they are in conversations, engaging with teachers and peers. That really piques their curiosity and natural creativity. It really builds a joy of learning, and this is really core to the ethos of the New Village School. We not only have our daily interactions and our curriculum sort of built around these philosophies, but also we engage through land, sea, and also travel programs to try and help our children understand their role in the world and how they fit in and all of those influences as well. |
| 02:06:19.69 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:06:49.71 | Jeffrey Barnaby | However, this process really starts with preschool. And so what we would like to do, and there is demand from our community to open a preschool. And, you know, we really want to engage children early in their child development when they're open and inquisitive, when they're starting to learn and play, starting to learn how to engage with their peers in social interactions. And we recognize that every child learns differently. So part of the ethos of the way we engage with children through this development cycle is really to understand and to engage them, understanding their natural temperaments, and sort of engage in a homeopathic way as though to meet them where they are with empathy and with respect. So the addition of the preschool, you know, it's not just a value to the financial aspect. I mean, obviously we'd be renting a new space, but there's a societal aspect to what we think is the value of a preschool. You know, we believe that healthy children are the foundation of a healthy community, you know, which is a benefit that cannot be overvalued and really should be a priority for the city council. I intention to open the preschool. you know, extends our contributions to the community by offering a quality early childhood education, providing some relief for families needing to return to work, as well as continuing to invest in this fabric of our community. And it really helps the city attract young families to move their home. So we already have many young families who already approached us about interested in interested in the preschool and you know asking when we can open it so really part of that decision is being able to rent the space and meet the guidelines of the state of california and when we do open it we'd love to call it the little village So if I can go into a little bit more of the details of what really needs to happen. So from a sizing perspective, we are looking to start fairly small, so 12 to 15 preschoolers, with a plan to potentially scale to 15 to 24 preschoolers over the next three years. We're focused on children in the ages between three and five, so preparing to go into kindergarten. We also will provide additional services for young families in terms of helping them learn how to engage their children, both in educational and social aspects as well. So as we look at the campus that we currently occupy, there aren't that many options on where a preschool would fit because part of the requirement is that we have an outdoor activity space and I'll talk about the details of that in a minute. But also it has to be, you know, a little bit separated from a main campus where there's a lot of older children, but close enough that we can feel like they're still engaged. And again, part of the ethos of the new village is that we engage the children at all ages in integrated ways so that they sort of have more of a family connection with their older grades siblings as it were. So providing a safe and nurturing and comfortable environment for young families as they embark on this new journey of their children going to school is paramount. So when we've surveyed the campus, you know, really Sweet 350 is the only building that we think that really meets these requirements. There have been other buildings suggested. none of them are suitable either too close to the parking lot too close to the dog park too close to busy activity or just not satisfactory from a size and suitability perspective. Um, There are some requirements that the state of California has that, you know, when we open a preschool is that there has to be a certain amount of activity, outdoor activity space, and specifically a minimum of 75 square feet of outdoor space for per child. So, you know, that requires, and it needs to be in a safe and somewhat contiguous space to the building so that we're not crossing some busy road in order to get there. The space must be fenced to protect the children and keep them where they're supposed to be. Safely reachable from the preschool facility, it must be maintained and provide certain comforts such as a shaded rest area for the children. In any sort of areas where there are elevated climbing aspects, there needs to be certain amount of cushioning so that if a child falls, it will not hurt itself. So those are some of the things that we have to consider as we looked at the space we were requesting. If we look at the campus itself, this is 100 Ebtide MLK campus. The dog park is located over here. We put this on full screen so you can see a little better. The blue area here is the current indoor space that we rent. The yellow areas are some outdoor spaces that we currently rent, including a garden that we've fenced over here on the bank. As you can see, this is a common area here that is a green space. And we already, we currently rent a few little areas on the corner of it. Suite 350 that we're proposing is this red area down here. And in order to have a contiguous outdoor activity space with some cushioned area and some shade, this has been the natural plot that we've identified as being a good location. If we zoom in a little bit, you can kind of see the campus again, lays out some of the dimensions of that space. You know, there's an intent that, you know, obviously this is probably a little bit bigger than the minimum space for the 12 to 15. This would actually allow us to scale to the 15 to 24 students. Again, a little bit closer, the idea that there would be an entryway to the preschool coming from the back of the building, so they'd be parking for parents here temporarily while they drop their children off. This would be a somewhat enclosed reception area before they go into the school itself. This would be the outdoor activity space, including a tree that currently exists that could provide some shade. We can also add additional trees if it requires screening or sound barriers or additional shade as well. So we're open to ideas on that. |
| 02:13:15.27 | Jeffrey Chase | Good. |
| 02:13:30.91 | Jeffrey Barnaby | The fencing on this side, we think that because this is a road and gets a certain amount of traffic, that probably should be a little bit higher and provide some protection for the children on that side. On this side, it'd probably be a four foot fence, which is the requirement just to keep the children in. And this is just some mock-ups of what that fence might look like in the space that we're talking about. As you can see, the space itself is really just a grassy area. This area here with this fenced off is actually an area that we currently rent already and have been using as an outdoor classroom. This is the room 350 located here. This is a boiler room that is not really usable. And then also this is the shade tree. This is just from another view, looking back towards the office part of the school. This is the currently rented area. So we would be enclosing up. So essentially, our request is in order for us to rent this room 350 from the school, given that we're required by the state of California to have this outdoor activity space and some minimum requirements around that. But in order for us to rent that space and make the investment in developing that building for the preschool, we need to have permission to also use that outdoor space and make sure that when we create a space for the children that it's both safe Thank you. to also use that outdoor space and make sure that when we create a space for the children that it's both safe and meets the requirements, which are very stringent from the state of California to be a preschool on the campus. So with that, are there any questions? That's the end of my presentation. |
| 02:15:17.19 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thanks Mr. Barnaby. That was a great presentation. Thanks very much for the schematics. That was very helpful. Okay, any questions for this presentation of either Director Langford or Mr. Barnaby? of the council. Thank you. |
| 02:15:35.23 | Janelle Kellman | No problem. |
| 02:15:35.47 | Jill Hoffman | questions? I'm sorry. |
| 02:15:36.02 | Janelle Kellman | Sure, Mayor Hoffman, if you don't mind. Sure, go ahead. Why don't we have a Mr. Barnaby show us on the schematic where David Mizell's workspaces and present us with his game plan for minimizing noise and disruption for the other tenants. |
| 02:15:55.11 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Sure, let me share my screen again. |
| 02:16:03.77 | Jeffrey Barnaby | I think this is probably the best view to look at. So Mr. Mizell's office location is in this building over here. And this is suite 350. And I think, so first of all, there's the interior space, which is kind of what it is. I don't know if we can do anything necessarily soundproof that room. I don't imagine there'll be a lot of noise coming from inside of the space. And the children, they would be inside for probably seventy percent of the time that they're actually in the school so part of it is that they meet in the mornings and they might have some outdoor play time then they might come back in they'll have a snack maybe some more outdoor play time they might have a lunch they usually have a nap in the afternoon so the times outside are you know somewhat contained and limited um this uh this fence line here i think is probably the most suitable area to suitable area to provide some screening and potential soundproofing. We're absolutely open to providing foliage along this area if it would help. |
| 02:17:12.06 | Janelle Kellman | Do you have any intention of using the gray area to the left of the green, or have you used that during COVID? |
| 02:17:18.25 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Excuse me, which area are we talking? |
| 02:17:19.96 | Janelle Kellman | Yes, it's a gray. It's neither green nor red. |
| 02:17:23.89 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Is this over here? Am I pointing in the right direction? |
| 02:17:24.02 | Janelle Kellman | I'm sorry. Yeah, that same general area where the trees are. |
| 02:17:28.77 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Any degree. We don't intend to use that area for the preschool. |
| 02:17:33.88 | Janelle Kellman | And do you have maybe a strategy for being able to align with other tenants if they have requests around quiet time? Is that something you'd be able to accommodate or you've looked at being able to accommodate? |
| 02:17:46.60 | Jeffrey Barnaby | I think, yeah, absolutely within reason. And we, you know, we have tried to be, you know, open about these conversations. And when we have had a need to use this area, we have, you know, certainly given notice to our neighbors and, you know, had, you know, for the most part, I think they've agreed to allowing that. I think that where it becomes complicated is when there are unreasonable extended requests for quiet time. And, you know, not to get into too much of the public comment, but there seems to be Uh, some some consensus or some indication that it's always too noisy. So, you know, within reason, absolutely, yes. Absolutely. And we could have prescribed times for outdoor space if that is a better way to sort of manage that. |
| 02:18:35.54 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. it. Thanks. Any other questions? |
| 02:18:40.33 | Ian Sobieski | Yes, I have one, Jeffrey. In the staff report, it makes mention that The staff's calculation of the green area is 3,000. 3,000 square feet, I think 3,333 square feet, not 1,800 square feet. Have you resolved that discrepancy? |
| 02:19:00.30 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Yeah, to be completely honest with you, when we measured this area out, we were looking at what looks like a practical space for us to create an outdoor activity space. I mean, we're working within something of an odd space, right? So this boiler room is in the way. There is a parking lot on the other side of it, which has trash cans, which we also have to sort of figure out how to deal with. So we are trying to create a space that is, you know, welcoming and comforting for children. So we wanted to, you know, try to use some of the green space as well as the tree and make it sort of somewhat contiguous of the space that we already rent. So in terms of the actual size, we didn't get a tape out and measure it and say, well, we need 3,333 square feet. We know that we have a minimum requirement, which as you can see, the calculation here 1800 square feet for the 24 preschoolers, We could look at reducing this footprint. I mean, I don't think that necessarily it was intended to be this big. Looking at the actual square footage, it was really more of what felt right at the time. So this wasn't done with any sort of real accuracy in terms of square footage. |
| 02:20:10.61 | Ian Sobieski | I guess the question, Jeffrey, is whatever you end up fencing off is the space you will pay for. |
| 02:20:17.32 | Jeffrey Barnaby | That's correct. |
| 02:20:18.83 | Ian Sobieski | Okay, second question is just, uh, I know you have been a growing school, and I'm curious if you can just articulate what your ambitions are here in Sausalito in terms of any future growth. |
| 02:20:34.97 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Yes, so certainly, I mean, you know, right now we're probably a little bit smaller than we have been at certain times, partly due to COVID and just dislocation of certain families and, you know, everyone's been a little bit dislocated. Others have chosen, some have chosen other options for schools and so on. So, you know, right now we're at about 100, a little under 120 students or so. We don't necessarily have an ambition to be a huge school. I will be clear with that because I think the part of the value of this school is that it has a way of engaging students on a very intimate basis. And that requires you keep the classroom sizes fairly small. It's somewhat differentiating in that. There are also limitations to how we grow as well as we also go out into the world a lot. And the more students you have in a class, the more people you've got to ferry around, which means you need more buses and there's more expense and all the rest of it. So there are limitations. What we are proposing to do though is to extend with the preschool. So if we added... Um, 12 or 15 in the initial, that's probably one room. If we went up to 24, potentially we would need another room. So that might be an additional area of growth. I think in terms of the campus itself, we've started very small and we've grown it piece by piece. And every single one of these amendments has added a different room with a different rate, with a different set of criteria. And it's sort of grown very organically over the last 12 years. The question is, As we look at the future, we want to focus on this being an important school campus for the city of Sausalito, which would give us a lot more flexibility to look at it more holistically, and thereby we could take on more rooms but not be confined by having to look at every incremental additional cost for every incremental square foot that we want to rent. So I think it's a conversation that we're open to having. We recognize that we could be bigger than we are today and we could certainly use more space than we occupy today. Obviously, there's a financial consideration because we need the tuition to actually fund the additional investment in rent. MR PRICE- Thank you. |
| 02:22:46.57 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Vice Mayor Killman. |
| 02:22:48.87 | Janelle Kellman | Mr. Barney, two questions for you. What percentage of the 128 students are in Saucet or Saucet residents? |
| 02:22:48.90 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 02:22:57.12 | Jeffrey Barnaby | 35% currently. |
| 02:22:58.69 | Janelle Kellman | 35%, okay. And I saw that in your presentation, you were asking for a 15 year lease term. Can you walk us through why 15? Why not a different duration? |
| 02:23:08.63 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Well, that was actually in reference to the current lease term that we have. And so I'm probably not the best person to I won't tell you the details of that, but we were in a sort of a rolling, I think every five years we have an option to extend. So it was originally a 15-year lease term. All I had referenced in that and maybe prior to really understanding all of the various amendments, that we would be rolled into that in some way. So that was really the reference there. |
| 02:23:36.27 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay. Any other questions from council members? Seeing no hands raised, no motions. No leading forward from council members as if to speak. I will tell them. Thank you. in the question period and open up for public comment on this item. So I see one hand, so I'll just rely on our clerk to call. Our names? |
| 02:23:59.31 | Heidi Scoble | Madam mayor, we have a Lala Karini. Lala, I'm asked to unmute you and start your video. |
| 02:24:06.98 | Lala Karini | Good evening. I'm one of the teachers at the school. I just wanted to first contribute to what Mr. Barnaby already presented, which is that I was one of the teachers that we were teaching outside for all of last year. So I was the teacher that actually taught a class every day on the deck, which is part of the area that we're trying to enclose now. And in the part of that area was also our eighth grade. So we had a multiplicity of classes last year, even though we have gone a little smaller. than we were in the past. really having to be around that what it looks gray, that's actually a green area that we share with our neighbors. So, and as well as we rented another room across the breezeway, that, you know, border that area. So basically putting a preschool there from the point of view of noise and relationship with our neighbors actually is an incredible improvement because it will be fenced in. because the little ones are actually the quietest of the students on a school campus. They're young. They spend more time indoors comparatively. and they will be fenced in, which means that no other students will go in that area. What we're actually trying to create is a more secluded, protected area for our little ones. And our style of teaching is such that they're held very well. We tend to not actually give wheels even to the little ones, so they're not in tricycles. You know, they're mostly using their own bodies. and they'll be taken out as well from the back, you know. So, I just want to address in terms of that concern about noise, is actually going to be minimal. considering that it's a school and certainly significantly less than whatever sound comes from the side of the French school because our classrooms are actually on the other side. All our other classrooms are on the other side. I have windows on the other side. spaces at this point that will have windows on this side besides the preschool, which actually doesn't have has high windows, only high windows that don't really open on that side. our offices. So there wouldn't be as much traffic in that area, even though our students do pass through the breezeway to go down to the field where they have their recesses. So that's just one thing. And then the other thing is that I was in the past very involved in developing a preschool program and a parent child program for a large independent school in San Francisco. And I just would like to reinforce what that means for the community, the fact that parents can go to a place where they are starting their life as parents, where a lot of community is created, So I feel like a lot of potential in terms of force for Sassolita in general, the community life and what that provides. And lastly, Because we take them out so much, we also have a land where they go farming. So, On campus, we only have at one time about six out of eight groups on a given day. So time hasn't left. |
| 02:27:12.20 | Heidi Scoble | So that's it. |
| 02:27:14.30 | Lala Karini | . |
| 02:27:14.38 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 02:27:14.72 | Lala Karini | Thank you. |
| 02:27:15.43 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 02:27:15.46 | Lala Karini | Thank you. |
| 02:27:15.48 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 02:27:15.85 | Lala Karini | Thank you. |
| 02:27:16.24 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 02:27:19.46 | Heidi Scoble | Our next speaker is Nicolay Cridler. Nicolay, you've been asked to be unmuted and start your video. |
| 02:27:29.70 | Nikolay Cridler | Yeah, good evening, everyone. Thanks for hanging in this late hour. My name is Nikolai. I've been a tenant here at 610 Coloma Street, just below the New Village School in the Le Cé-Francais for several years. I just wanted to give some input that none of these spaces in the MLK complex was ever designed to be a quiet space or a residential space. or a place to chill out. schools, pickleball players, I'm kitty corner to the bathroom here. Zumba classes twice a week and every now and then we have a circus over here, as you know. And I love it. It's alive and it's well and it's thriving. And the kids are part of this. |
| 02:28:05.16 | Ian Sobieski | I love you. |
| 02:28:12.13 | Nikolay Cridler | I also have two girls at New Village School, fourth grade and seventh grade. been there since kindergarten. And I remember vividly how hard it was to find a suitable preschool when we moved here. It was a huge burden. My partner was going through cancer at the time. And |
| 02:28:35.80 | Nikolay Cridler | Sorry. And we were looking for a place for our youngest daughter to go into preschool. And it was super difficult. And our youngest daughter, I mean our oldest daughter, came to New Village School and got into kindergarten. and was just embraced in the middle of the year Um, And so we love the school. I'm now in the meantime also a board member of the school, which I'm super happy about. really love the idea of including a preschool in the school. It doesn't only solve a pressing problem, that a lot of people have to find a place Um, but it also solidifies the school and builds community with young families at a very vulnerable age when they're looking for all that support. If they can enter at that level of a preschool and join the community, so many problems can be solved. So thank you for your support. |
| 02:29:37.55 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:29:37.63 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. |
| 02:29:37.65 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:29:41.90 | Heidi Scoble | Our next speaker will be Craig Merrilles. Craig, you've been asked to be unmuted and start your video. |
| 02:29:56.99 | Heidi Scoble | Craig, you will need to unmute yourself. |
| 02:29:58.76 | Craig Merrilles | I think I should be unmuted. Is that working? Yeah. |
| 02:30:01.22 | Heidi Scoble | Yep, we can hear you sir. |
| 02:30:02.07 | Craig Merrilles | Thank you. |
| 02:30:02.52 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:30:03.13 | Craig Merrilles | Great, everyone. Hello, thanks for all your work and other difficult meeting tonight. Tears from people without homes, tears from families suffering loss and looking for quality education. I, I, am concerned and wanted to raise I think a point that most of you will probably agree with and that is that the property that we're discussing tonight for the private school with a 35% of the body coming from Sausalito. is valuable public land. and public land that has to be considered, I think, in any sensible discussion about affordable housing in the city. And I would urge the council to see the virtue of keeping your options open and completing the housing element prior to making any long-term decision that would tie this property up. And, You know, as compelling as it is to hear the concerns of parents and teachers, I'm not sure. the stories and the The testimony we heard tonight from homeless people and other people in the community who we didn't hear from tonight workers |
| 02:31:29.61 | Robbie | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:31:29.90 | Craig Merrilles | who can't afford to live anywhere in our city |
| 02:31:29.93 | Robbie | who, |
| 02:31:33.41 | Craig Merrilles | It just seems that the few parcels we have that are publicly owned that have the potential to be able to provide truly affordable housing, are so rare and so precious to us. that tying this up in the manner that's being proposed before you. would really seem inappropriate and puzzling. And I hope the council will see the virtue holding back on this as compelling as it is. and making possible to preserve our options. Thank you very much. |
| 02:32:05.63 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. Okay, I don't see any further hands, Madam Clerk. it mattered |
| 02:32:13.91 | Heidi Scoble | Madam Mayor, you are correct. There are no hands raised at this time. |
| 02:32:17.56 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, I'm gonna close public comment then and bring it back to the council for, discussion or motion so I see a hand up from council member Cleveland Knowles go ahead |
| 02:32:27.55 | Melissa Blaustein | No. |
| 02:32:27.85 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:32:28.52 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 02:32:28.63 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:32:29.17 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah. |
| 02:32:29.20 | Jill Hoffman | for yourself. |
| 02:32:29.37 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:32:29.39 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 02:32:29.42 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:32:30.30 | Melissa Blaustein | Thanks. I just wanted to maybe ask staff just to clarify, given some of the public comment that how long, um, New Village has an options already on the bulk of their space. I believe if somebody could confirm that it's two five-year options of 10 years. plus a remaining year so that we are already committed to the bulk of this space for at least 10 years. Is that correct, Mr. Langford or city manager? |
| 02:32:59.46 | Chris Zapata | I'd like to show the attorney to respond to that. |
| 02:32:59.84 | Mary Wagner | you're talking about. |
| 02:33:01.72 | Chris Zapata | She knows the answer. |
| 02:33:03.78 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 02:33:03.83 | Mary Wagner | thank you um councilmember Cleveland Mills and uh city manager Zapata so under the terms of their lease the new village school does have three options to extend the term one of which they've already exercise that expires June 30, 2022. And then they have two more options that would bring the term to 2032. And those are options that are exercisable by the tenant. provided they're not in default under the terms of the lease. Okay, great, thank you. |
| 02:33:33.56 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:33:33.90 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:33:33.93 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:33:33.95 | Mary Wagner | CHECK. |
| 02:33:34.03 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Okay, any other questions? from the council or comments? |
| 02:33:40.55 | Donald Sibbitt | I'm going to go. |
| 02:33:40.57 | Ian Sobieski | I'm wondering if that. |
| 02:33:42.56 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. Go ahead, Ian. |
| 02:33:44.36 | Ian Sobieski | I was just going to emphasize that directly to Craig, just to emphasize, um, the response to his concern is that the the agreement to this amendment does not extend Village Schools total lease by a single day. They have two options currently on their list. |
| 02:34:06.82 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. Okay, and I think the vice mayor had a question. |
| 02:34:12.36 | Janelle Kellman | I do may have him, but I see that David Maisel, I know a public comment is, has closed. I see his hand is up. I don't know if you want Take one comment. I did close public comment |
| 02:34:23.66 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:34:25.15 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 02:34:25.17 | Jill Hoffman | I try to be fair, public comments closed. We got his, we did receive his, letter, and so I think we just before. |
| 02:34:38.24 | Janelle Kellman | Okay, then I'm wondering if my fellow council members would be open to |
| 02:34:38.50 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:34:43.31 | Janelle Kellman | some language in this amendment that maybe as Mr. Barnaby mentioned, dictates outdoor time, Um, And kind of some restrictions on the usage, you know, we've gotten unfortunately a fair amount of feedback that kind of pushed the envelope on some of the common spaces And it would be nice if they, at least in writing, could agree to scaling that back you know, committing publicly to some good neighbor verbal fences as well as the mechanical fences they want to erect. |
| 02:35:23.38 | Jill Hoffman | What did we, if I could ask the city manager, either city manager or the city attorney, there is language in the lease about operating operating procedures for the public spaces. |
| 02:35:38.05 | Mary Wagner | There is Madam Mayor, thank you Mr. City Manager. There is language standard in all your MLK leases regarding the use of common area and indicating that people have to comply with whatever reasonable rules are established by the city for the use of that area. And then one tenant's use isn't to interfere with another tenants use. If the council wanted to direct that we work with a new village school to determine the use of the outdoor area by the preschool. We certainly could do that and that could be built into your the amendment Um, And I would, Madam Mayor, I understand the need for curbing public comment and needing to limit that. I do think you have a directly affected tenant who's asked to speak. So if the council's willing. to reopen on that limited purpose, I would suggest that that might be beneficial. |
| 02:36:32.05 | Jill Hoffman | I have no objection to that. Anybody have an objection to that? Okay. Thank you. |
| 02:36:36.62 | Mary Wagner | thank you madam mayor and i'm happy to further expand on the rules regarding the common area if that would be helpful |
| 02:36:42.65 | Jill Hoffman | Let's hear from Mr. Maisel first and then we may revisit that. I have a feeling that's going to be a part of our |
| 02:36:47.03 | David Maisel | Thank you. |
| 02:36:48.86 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. recommendation. Go ahead Mr. Maisel. |
| 02:36:52.00 | David Maisel | Thank you. Thank you. I've been a tenant in good standing at EdTie for 27 years and my tenancy predates that of the new village school by 15 years. I'm a parent. I've been a teacher as well and I value education. However, I'm urging the city council to reject the use of sweet 350 and the adjacent common area as a preschool. It will be severely incompatible with my business and the quiet enjoyment of my studio to have toddlers in such proximity. A further, I would like the city to establish codes of contact for the comp for the common area with consequences for failing to follow them. |
| 02:37:20.73 | Jeffrey Chase | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:37:27.91 | David Maisel | New Village School routinely uses the common area in ways that have negative impact to my business. Just last Friday, NBS held their fall festival in the common area, which they're certainly entitled to do. Despite written and verbal assurance by the school, to the contrary, there were dozens of students racing, shouting, cheering, et cetera, immediately outside my door, which had a sign on it that stated Zoom meeting in progress. Please do not disturb. The school had the option to gather across the common area closer to their own building, which would have been fine and which they'd stated they would do. A prior incident entailed an envious parent firing a soccer ball at my head and cursing at me in front of students when I asked them to move the scrimmage he was holding directly in front of my windows, I stand by that account. Preschool run by NBS, less than 50 feet from my office, no matter how quiet or respectful they may claim they will be, is incompatible with my pre-existing business. Toddlers by nature are loud. I'm seeking help from the city to resolve the conflict in years past NBS proposed an outdoor classroom garden in the common area, which was opposed by all neighboring tenants for the same reasons. I'm now opposing the preschool. In that instance, the OMED committee addressed the conflicts by denying the school's application, which would have been appropriate in this instance as well. The garden was instead cited across the parking lot in a field where noise has not been an issue at all for the last decade. The conflict was successfully resolved by the city's appropriate actions. |
| 02:39:02.91 | Heidi Scoble | Madam Mayor, Mr. Maisel's time has elapsed. Would you allow him? |
| 02:39:06.98 | David Maisel | allow two minutes. I've had two minutes. I have another minute. |
| 02:39:10.32 | Heidi Scoble | That's right. |
| 02:39:10.61 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Did you have, |
| 02:39:12.50 | David Maisel | Thank you. |
| 02:39:12.60 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:39:12.72 | David Maisel | Two minutes or three minutes? I've had two minutes. I'm timing it. |
| 02:39:12.95 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:39:12.97 | Heidi Scoble | or three minutes? For the last session, we've been allowing two minutes per speaker given- |
| 02:39:21.52 | David Maisel | I'm sorry, I was under the impression it was three minutes. |
| 02:39:23.90 | Heidi Scoble | That's okay. |
| 02:39:25.03 | Jill Hoffman | minute. Just said another note. |
| 02:39:26.79 | David Maisel | So I urge the city, thank you. I urge the city council to deny NBS a lease for suite 350 and to work directly with both parties |
| 02:39:28.85 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you so much. |
| 02:39:36.00 | David Maisel | to develop a proposal that resolves this current conflict. This issue, as with the example of the MBS garden, should be resolved to both parties mutual satisfaction. It will involve compromise. When I established my studio here, the city's charter was for 100 ebbtai to house arts related businesses. neither NVS or the Lycee with whom I have a great relationship were here then. And while change is inevitable, I respectfully appeal to the city to recognize my long history at Ebtide and my requirements as a pre-existing tenant. Thank you. Thank you for your time and consideration. as well as your recent site visits and permitting me to speak tonight appreciate it |
| 02:40:17.14 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, thank you. Okay. No, I think. So you know for their hands. I hope they're ready for their hands. Okay. closing and reclosing public comment um okay so any further questions any further any further comments from the city council go ahead Thank you. |
| 02:40:34.88 | Melissa Blaustein | I just had a question about given us as a lease. I did speak with both parties and I know in land use matters we do disclose our Ex parte communication. So I met with both the New Village School and Mr. Maisel on site. I just wanted to just disclose that. |
| 02:40:52.55 | Jill Hoffman | Oh thank you for that yeah thank you for that yeah I met with Mr. Maisel I was not um unfortunately I wasn't I was not able to meet with New Village but anybody any other council members want to disclose Thank you. |
| 02:41:02.60 | Ian Sobieski | I think everybody met with both parties. |
| 02:41:04.93 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:41:04.97 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 02:41:04.99 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:41:05.02 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. I didn't leave the new village on site, but I exchanged numerous emails, but David Maisel on site. Madam Mayor, can we come back to my question for my fellow council members around what I think some would call the codes of conduct, because of conduct. Um, |
| 02:41:21.10 | Jeffrey Chase | Thank you. |
| 02:41:21.17 | Heidi Scoble | Bye. |
| 02:41:21.24 | Ava Crisante | Thank you. |
| 02:41:21.27 | Mickey Allison | Thank you. |
| 02:41:21.37 | Kelly Stevens | I'm not. |
| 02:41:21.39 | Jeffrey Chase | I'm not. |
| 02:41:22.05 | Janelle Kellman | in some sort of rules of engagement, if you will. Is there any interest in pursuing that? I, for one, think it would be fair. Um, to explore that. |
| 02:41:31.34 | Melissa Blaustein | We had discussed this at our OMIT meeting that this was something we had wanted to explore as an expectation for leaseholders and a requirement for a code of conduct, not just for the outdoor, or common areas, but in general as leaseholders with neighboring tenants. So I would be in favor of that. |
| 02:41:49.96 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, this is a recommendation of OMIT and we |
| 02:41:50.14 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 02:41:53.40 | Ian Sobieski | I think. can easily insert into the lease a section that includes financial penalties and even the possible cancellation of the lease. for violations of codes of conduct. And those codes of conduct are supposed to be for all our tenants and all our city properties. So it's a general code of conduct. If that's sufficient, Vice Mayor, then that would attend to your issue. If the other issue is more, about particularly curtailing new village schools use of their outdoor space that they'd be paying for for their kids. That is a different issue, so I don't want to try to conflate it to you. Our OMIT recommendation was to establish general rules of conduct for neighboring tenants. to treat each other well, and we were really looking to staff to come up with a draft of that modeled on other cities. that we would then modify and bring to city council for approval. But we could agree now to THE LAST WEEK. has penalties associated with violations of those codes of conduct. |
| 02:42:56.29 | Jill Hoffman | So could we have our city attorney weigh in on that? what that would look like and what we would, what the motion would look like for us tonight. |
| 02:43:05.24 | Mary Wagner | Sure, Madam Mayor. So to be specific with respect to the MLK leases, Each of your MLK leases includes a standard provision that the use of the common area will be governed by rules for use of that common area. I don't believe that the city has, at least not to my knowledge, imposed those rules. I think that's the first step. towards the larger conversation that Councilmember Sobieski is suggesting which is an overall use of city property period. by tenants. I would suggest to you that starting with this MLK use of common area might be a good starting point and might address the concerns that you're hearing more specifically tonight. regarding this more tightly packed in rented area, if you will. And then if there needs to be then a broader look also at other rules for use of city properties that are leased, we could look at that. but I think it fits nicely into your existing lease structure. to adopt rules for use of the common area and also that the default provisions of your lease would indicate that not following those rules if it's material would actually put a tenant into default. And there'd be a process to try and resolve that based through your current lease structure. |
| 02:44:20.33 | Janelle Kellman | Could we add some type of mediation, arbitration, or some mutual meeting of the parties? |
| 02:44:20.36 | Mary Wagner | So we add some type of |
| 02:44:26.30 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 02:44:26.32 | Mary Wagner | So if you'd like to include in your overall rules of use of the common area for a dispute resolution amongst tenants who disagree, with someone's use of an area, I think you could build it into that. If you want to amend every MLK lease to alter your dispute resolution procedure, that would be more complicated and take a little more drafting to bring that back to you. But I think you can do it through your actual |
| 02:44:49.41 | Ian Sobieski | I think it could be. |
| 02:44:49.98 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:44:52.22 | Mary Wagner | rules related to the use of the common area. |
| 02:44:55.18 | Ian Sobieski | And Mary, it would be nice to have something short of the nuclear option to engage with people who violate the codes of conduct, terminating someone's lease is, THE NUCLEAR OPTION, A FINANCIAL PENALTY OR SOME SORT OF action short of terminating the lease. It would be nice to have that. Yeah. |
| 02:45:14.09 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, again, I think you could build in a dispute resolution procedure and then you have all the tenants would have to agree to abide by, they're bound to abide by the rules that you adopt so long as they're reasonable. I think there's an opportunity to work with your tenants to establish those rules. and to provide a mechanism for dispute resolution. |
| 02:45:34.16 | Ian Sobieski | But what I'm proposing, just, again, I hear what you're saying for all the tenants at MLK, but this is a particular amendment to a particular lease, and I'm wondering if we can meet the vice mayor and the Kellman's. concerned by simply adding a section that's breaking new ground that we can copy in other leases as they come up for renewal, which is Eddie. a section that would establish financial penalties, even the termination of a lease if the code of conduct is violated. |
| 02:46:07.20 | Mary Wagner | Sure. So the amendment that you have in front of you tonight is an amendment to the new village schools lease. So if the council wants to build additional provisions into that amendment that apply to the entire leasehold area, we can do that. |
| 02:46:07.45 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:46:20.51 | Mary Wagner | Um, And I don't have exact language for you right now. We could either, you know, or you could direct us to return to that with that or direct us to work to establish that within the parameters that you've directed. |
| 02:46:33.68 | Ian Sobieski | Right. I'm going to go. I mean, our proposal for that would be to approve a lease similar to the one in the staff report with the addition of language |
| 02:46:35.92 | Mary Wagner | for approval tonight. |
| 02:46:43.01 | Ian Sobieski | not to repeat myself, that would establish financial penalties and possibly the cancellation of the lease for violations of a code of conduct to be established by the city council. |
| 02:46:54.85 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, I want to be clear, Council Member Sobieski, and I apologize for belaboring this matter, Mayor, but I think there's a difference between a code of conduct and rules for use of common area. Rules for use of common area in a multiple tenant situation are standard, either very- |
| 02:47:05.96 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:47:05.98 | Ian Sobieski | for you some |
| 02:47:10.94 | Mary Wagner | common. |
| 02:47:11.83 | Ian Sobieski | This is intentionally code of conduct, not using common area. That's right. It's whole cloth. and it's to deal with a plethora of other situations that have been uh described anecdotally in letters uh concerning this subject but which uh counselor blousey and i've heard have been that we're going to have both between these particular tenants, but also in other tenants at MLK and elsewhere. establishing a code of conduct. Again, we're not going to impose this on anyone who has a current lease that hasn't up for renewal yet. But as they come up, the code of conduct will deal with. these kinds of situations or provide least a prop for dealing with them. |
| 02:47:55.42 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so is that Is that within the scope of the current lease, Mary? |
| 02:48:04.46 | Mary Wagner | I think the scope of the current lease includes these rules for the common area. It doesn't include an overall kind of code of conduct and behavior for the the tenants and their invitees, if you will. Um, And that's something we would have to develop and and we could include language. you know in a perfect scenario we would go back and discuss this with the tenant whose lease is being amended and get their concurrence with that process. Happy to take the council's direction. if you would like us to do that within the parameters that you're directing tonight and then only return to you if there's the tenants in disagreement. |
| 02:48:42.75 | Jill Hoffman | I think, yeah, I think that's kind of where we're going. I understand what Council Member Sobieski is saying, but I think that's encapsulated in use of the common area, right? If you're saying that somebody is not, I mean, and now we're veering off really into technical stuff, but if you're saying somebody is violating, you know, the lease agreement and impinging on somebody else's enjoyment of the common area, then by definition, I think you're getting into what Council Member Sobieski And Councilmember Blossie, too, is getting into about you know, one tenant impinging on the rights of another tenant to to the enjoyment of a common area. So, and I, to me, and misuse of a common area, right? So use of a common area is interfering with someone's quiet enjoyment of their leasehold, which from what I've heard is what's happening. And what I've heard from the council is what we're trying to avoid. So... I don't wanna, you know, My concern is I don't want to reopen their lease. in the terms of their lease, they're just asking to augment their lease by additional space. And that's my understanding about what we were going to vote on, you know, tonight, which is... you know, it's a different question than creating a different term in the lease. This is what I think we should do. I think we'd like to give direction, we'd like to approve the additional space for New Village School, but condition that upon you know, coming up with perhaps language encapsulating the spirit of what council member sobieski was saying which is how do we define among you know this particular leasehold and an additional area how that is not going to pinge on the other, the other renters. tenants enjoyment of common area or that the use of the common area is not going to interfere with their quiet enjoyment of their own leasehold. is that |
| 02:50:57.21 | Ian Sobieski | That's actually it. I think we just want to get it resolved, and I appreciate your... |
| 02:50:58.06 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:51:01.92 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah. |
| 02:51:02.21 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. I feel like that if we actually want to approve the lease tonight or pick a vote on it |
| 02:51:02.95 | Ian Sobieski | I'm not. |
| 02:51:08.37 | Ian Sobieski | um, And so we want to just agree on simple language that will allow us to, at a later date over the coming months, not over the coming days, put together this code of conduct. It's not going to be. So I'm just |
| 02:51:23.45 | Melissa Blaustein | So can I just, I think what we're doing, I think Mary has told us, the city attorney has told us that the lease already includes the ability for the city to develop rules around the use of the common area. So that's already in Mr. Maisel's lease and it's already in the new village schools lease. So what we need to do is develop to develop the rules around the use of the common common area. And then that I think will |
| 02:51:47.28 | Jeffrey Chase | And, |
| 02:51:49.85 | Melissa Blaustein | probably address about 90% or 95% of the issues that we've heard about. And then I think what Council member Sobieski is asking is that in addition to the resolution that we passed, we give direction to staff over a longer period of time to work on a code of conduct in general that we would incorporate into our leases moving forward. Is that correct? Is that what I'm hearing? So we can solve this one issue today through the use of the common areas. And then, but overall we want to, have a general code of conduct for all of our Am I? |
| 02:52:25.32 | Ian Sobieski | Bye. That's, |
| 02:52:27.38 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 02:52:27.41 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:52:27.55 | Melissa Blaustein | All right. |
| 02:52:27.88 | Ian Sobieski | I think that- |
| 02:52:28.30 | Melissa Blaustein | I think that. |
| 02:52:30.82 | Ian Sobieski | I mean, I don't want to belabor the point. I think it's fine to move forward in that way. It really is just fine. |
| 02:52:37.91 | Janelle Kellman | I just, and I am embracing the way you're structuring this bit more than the traditional code of conduct, that we're going to have I certainly think this can start to address that. it captures the penalty portion of it, or maybe it does, Mary, maybe that's part of the code of contact that gets written in, but this is a lease amendment. This is the opportunity to add this type of language. whatever way we can achieve a council member Sobieski is asking for is I think that path. |
| 02:53:09.63 | Mary Wagner | And if I may, Madam Vice Mayor, not to take you down a different discussion path, Once this area is leased to a tenant, it's no longer part of the common area. So I think if you want to establish time frames and use of that area they are easily built into this lease and then the use of the you know the this the other common area can be developed the use of common area not private leased area. can be incorporated through as you have indicated through these rules for the use of the common So I think you can, if you want to direct staff as, the representative of New Village School said they'd be open to discussing kind of time frames And I think it'd be important to understand if they're gonna use that space for anything else? you know, if they propose any kind of special events or, you know, tour play dates or whatever they are that the other tenants are aware of that. if it's not their common use during school hours. So I would suggest a couple of things. One, I think you can direct us to work with the New Village School on what timeframes they're gonna utilize the outdoor space associated with the preschool, if in fact the council approves this lease amendment tonight. direct us to work on these rules for the use of the common area and the rules that establish a code of conduct. And that could even be part of the overall rules that apply to the use of MLK. We'll have to work on developing how those are implemented and the tenants agree to that. I think what I'm recommending to you is if the council is so inclined, You can adopt the resolution you have in front of you tonight. including a direction to staff, to work with the new village school as they suggested on the timeframes that they're using that outdoor area associated with the preschool. direct us to develop the rules for the use of the common area sooner rather than later. and continue to work with OMIT on an overall code of conduct and use of city property. |
| 02:55:11.28 | Lily Whalen | That's it. That sounds great. |
| 02:55:13.09 | Ian Sobieski | Can I add that? I'm sorry. I just want to make sure. Are we within approving the lease that's in the staff report? |
| 02:55:13.93 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:55:13.97 | Lily Whalen | So, |
| 02:55:21.02 | Mary Wagner | Yes, with the direction that we add parameters around the use of the outdoor area in conjunction with the new village school that are reasonable in what they're proposing to use it for their preschool. |
| 02:55:32.07 | Ian Sobieski | You mean the outdoor area they're paying for or the common space? |
| 02:55:34.91 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:55:34.92 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:55:35.03 | Mary Wagner | DEPARTMENT. |
| 02:55:35.97 | Ian Sobieski | for. the outdoor area they're paying for, they've been clear about how they're going to use it. And I feel like that's taking the can down the road and we're not deciding anything. Like we're either deciding to lease them the outdoor space or we're not. |
| 02:55:44.21 | Ian Sobieski | with the |
| 02:55:44.38 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 02:55:47.48 | Ian Sobieski | The common areas is a separate issue. |
| 02:55:51.43 | Melissa Blaustein | I'm in favor of the proposal that Mary made because the representative from the New Village School said that they would be open to having certain hours where the preschoolers we're using the outdoor area. And if they're open to that and we can come to some terms and that can give some certainty, I think that's, A great idea. Okay, here's, all right. |
| 02:56:13.20 | Ian Sobieski | I disagree. I think that is constraining them. It's certainly some, I mean, they're not here, we're now negotiating Thank you. This has been going on quite a while. They have a preschool. that has a need for outdoor space. And they can't be constrained to have it in their lease that they're only gonna use the outdoor space between certain set hours. I mean, I don't get it. |
| 02:56:41.53 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so what would you propose then, Ian? And keep in mind that you still have this issue, you know, the, You still have the You still have the... constraint, I guess, or control on it that you know, one tenant can't use their space in a way that's going to render another tenant unable to use their leasehold, right? So you still have that control in there. And I think what I think, I think what maybe council member Cleveland knows was getting out was that, um, you know, it's easier for Mr. Meisel to arrange his day if he knows that recess is from every day from 915 to whatever it is. I'm just randomly saying this. |
| 02:57:28.34 | Ian Sobieski | We're just making things up. I mean, our city manager asked both parties to get together and try to work out exactly the kind of accommodation that you're describing. |
| 02:57:31.55 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 02:57:31.83 | Craig Merrilles | Thank you. |
| 02:57:37.52 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah. |
| 02:57:37.59 | Ian Sobieski | that council member cleveland knows described |
| 02:57:37.93 | Craig Merrilles | Thank you. |
| 02:57:40.36 | Ian Sobieski | He encouraged them to get together. They got together. they met, they couldn't come up with any kind of accommodation. I think what we're dancing around is the reality that David Mizell, it might be correct. The uses may be incompatible. We have a We talk about that a lot, about incompatible uses too close to one another, and we have a growing school on either side of a tenant who values is quiet. So You know, we hate to make it a zero sum game. I love win-win outcomes. but we've all engaged with this and it doesn't seem like there's an obvious win-win. outcome. you know, the, the, the school is growing and AND DAVID MIZELLO DOESN'T WANT US TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TO HAVE THE OUTDOOR SPACE Amen. that the school is requesting. SORT OF PERIOD AND SCHOOLS REQUESTING THAT SPACE. So I think it is a question of policy. We only recommended that we approve the lease. And the notion of doing the code of conduct was our suggestion about trying THE END OF create a situation where at least there would be a chance of David Miesel adapting and having some recourse if he felt like he had an issue with that That was Omit's recommendation. |
| 02:59:05.51 | Janelle Kellman | So, so if I just, uh, I hear everything you're saying and, and I, and I understand also the party's, um, met and were not able to reach that conclusion. we did hear tonight that Mr. Barnaby said he would be willing to restrict the usage and so understanding it may not be perfect for either party I'd like to at least try to create those guardrails. So as the mayor suggested, Mr. Maison may not like this, but if he knows that, from 12 to two, it's going to be super loud. Maybe that is at least helpful. And if New Village knows that from three to five, they really can't be beating drums outside his door, that's also helpful. And so at least to put some guardrails on would be, an effort that we can make. |
| 02:59:55.10 | Ian Sobieski | Before we miss the chance to resolve this tonight, should we ask Mr. Barnaby what he actually meant by that? |
| 03:00:03.07 | Jeffrey Barnaby | Certainly I'd be willing to comment on that. So, I mean, you know, there is a natural cadence to any school day. There are times when the children are inside and the times when the children are going to be outside and should be outside. I agree with Councilman Sabiosky's comments that it is very restrictive to be confined to limited times outside. And so we're a little hesitant on this, but what I, my point was that we're open to the conversation of how do we work together? And in the previous conversations we've had, you It was apparent to me that there probably wouldn't be a good time when Mr. Meisel is in residence that we would be in school because they directly overlap. So it'll be challenging if that clarifies at all. I guess my point was that, you know, we are willing to sit down and talk. I'm not convinced that we can find an amicable solution for both parties. |
| 03:01:03.11 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, I think we've had a good discussion. I think we're at a point where we could entertain a motion from someone and if someone wants to make an amendment or an alternate motion, We would also entertain that. And so Is anybody ready to make a motion? |
| 03:01:20.52 | Ian Sobieski | Make a motion. that mirrors what OMIT recommended, which is to approve the lease with the one modification that the 1,700 square feet that is listed in the staff report might actually be 33 3333 square feet so it's they will that the NBS will pay for whatever outdoor space they actually do fence off. That's the one modification. |
| 03:01:46.58 | David Maisel | Thank you. |
| 03:01:46.63 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 03:01:46.88 | David Maisel | Thank you. |
| 03:01:47.25 | Janelle Kellman | And I'll offer amendment to the motion that we include refresh of the code of conduct to be direct staff to work with New Village School to establish some parameters around their usage in an attempt to But she's some equanimity and a good relationship between neighbors. |
| 03:02:06.17 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, is that a friendly amendment? Councilor Sobieski, do you accept that? |
| 03:02:10.41 | Ian Sobieski | Do you think so? It doesn't actually resolve anything. I'd like we've all spent tremendous amount of time on this. I can't believe it. AND WHAT this amendment would do is kick it back to staff. and not have resolution on this lease. So I think we should just decide what we're going to do. |
| 03:02:25.90 | Melissa Blaustein | Can I just ask, so, but within your... motion is the concept of rules around the use of the common area. because that's already in the list. |
| 03:02:36.99 | Ian Sobieski | already in the lease. |
| 03:02:40.61 | Melissa Blaustein | Okay. and Would you... except a friendly amendment that New Village School makes good faith efforts to regularly publish its preschool schedule. or share its preschool schedule with anyone who's interested. |
| 03:03:02.28 | Ian Sobieski | Sure. Yes. Okay. |
| 03:03:07.68 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 03:03:07.83 | Jill Hoffman | So... |
| 03:03:08.19 | Melissa Blaustein | as far as my concern. |
| 03:03:09.33 | Jill Hoffman | you Okay. |
| 03:03:10.26 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 03:03:10.28 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. um then let me let me ask the vice mayor do you want to vote on your motion or do you want to withdraw your motion how would you like to move forward |
| 03:03:19.00 | Janelle Kellman | I get the feeling I may not have support for my version of the motion, so I will withdraw the motion. |
| 03:03:25.23 | Jill Hoffman | Very good. So then do we have a second on council member Sobieski's motion? I give it a little bit. Okay, can we please call the room? |
| 03:03:33.97 | Heidi Scoble | roll. you Councilmember Sobieski? |
| 03:03:36.84 | Ian Sobieski | Yes. |
| 03:03:37.18 | Heidi Scoble | Thank you. Council member Blastie? Yes. Council member Cleveland Knowles? Yes. Vice mayor Kelman? Yes. Mayor Hoffman? |
| 03:03:46.43 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, the motion passes unanimously. And so, Moving on to our next item on our agenda, however, We did talk about this in our last city council meeting. And if we got to 10 o'clock, that at future meetings, We might call it. and that council member course we would select take public comment on matters not on the agenda, but we would move the we would hear the item C5C at a future meeting and that we would do our committee reports and city manager report via written written report that would be attached to the agenda. And so |
| 03:04:33.95 | Ian Sobieski | I support that for what it's worth. Thank you. |
| 03:04:36.61 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:04:36.65 | Ian Sobieski | Right? |
| 03:04:38.52 | Jill Hoffman | I feel like there's been a motion in a second. America. |
| 03:04:42.28 | Melissa Blaustein | Could we just ask staff if there's anything about our The item 5C that has any urgency, I don't think there was, but Thank you. |
| 03:04:52.36 | Jill Hoffman | Yes, thank you. I agree. It didn't seem like we needed a vote on something. So anyway, yes, staff. |
| 03:05:00.37 | Chris Zapata | That's fine. I think what you're proposing to find, we'll just have to re-notice to some of the folks that are interested in this topic. And you want to hear from Lily Whalen, who is leaving our city after 13 years of service. So that can be done in writing, but I just wanted to make sure the community and the council |
| 03:05:07.63 | Ian Sobieski | What I'm going to do. Uh, |
| 03:05:10.13 | Jeffrey Chase | Yeah. |
| 03:05:19.42 | Chris Zapata | heard that Lily is gonna leave us after 13 years after a great deal of achievement here. And I wanted to thank her publicly. I'm doing that. |
| 03:05:28.49 | Jill Hoffman | Okay, so this is what we're gonna do. Do we need to make a motion? Do we need to pass a motion to amend the agenda or can we just... Take a vote. Mary. We continue to date certain I think we would look at not a date certain, a date uncertain. Because we got to look at our schedules. |
| 03:05:51.54 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, and since it's not a noticed item, like a planning commission, or an appeal of the planning commission decision would be You can just... decide to continue it to a future. meeting. |
| 03:06:03.77 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Very good. I think we've got consensus on that to do that. I'm going to take public comment for matters not on the agenda? And then we will adjourn, but before we adjourn, I'm now deciding that I'm gonna give uh our community services director um three minutes to say her heartfelt goodbyes and for us to thank her for her service so OK, we're going to do matters on the agenda, so. This is time on the agenda for members of the public to provide any public comment for items that are not on the agenda except in limited situations. State law precludes. the council from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the council may briefly respond to statements made or questions posed by members, ask clarifying questions, make a brief announcement or refer to matters not on the agenda to city staff or direct that the subject be agendized for future meetings. If you would like to provide public comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application. The city clerk will call on individuals who have raised their hands in the order they were raised. after you were called on. You will be unmuted. to allow you to share your comments, Public comments are allowed a total of three minutes to speak. Please keep your comments respectful and focused. We want to listen to any individual who request to speak and the speaker has a responsibility to act in a civil and courteous manner as defined by the chair. We will not tolerate hate speech, direct or indirect threats, or abusive language. The meeting host will mute anyone who fails to follow these guidelines. So at this point, I'm going to open up public comment for matters not on the agenda. I'm just here. |
| 03:07:45.26 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 03:07:46.17 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 03:07:46.71 | Melissa Blaustein | But I just, I don't know if anyone came today to comment specifically on the outdoor dining Oh, sure. But I just wanted to make sure everyone was clear that they could, because we're taking it off our agenda tonight, that this would also be a time that they can comment on that item if they've waited through. three hours of this meeting to do so. |
| 03:08:07.13 | Jill Hoffman | Nope, good point. That's good. Thank you for making that point. I see no hands. Right. Madam Clerk, can you please confirm? Madam Mayor, you are correct. There are no hands raised. Okay, very well. OK, as I stated, The other matters on the agenda, the committee reports and the city manager report will be done by an attachment written reports that will be attached to our agenda. At this point, I would like to invite our departing Community Services Director, Lily Whalen, Thank you. comments she would like to make. And then perhaps our city council members would like to weigh in. |
| 03:08:45.67 | Lily Whalen | Thank you, Madam Mayor and council members. At this late hour here, I'll be short and sweet for you. I'd only like to thank the Sausalito community, all citizens past and present, current and former council members and my colleagues for the last 13 years as of tomorrow, I've spent with the city of Sausalito I have been so extremely grateful and honored to serve the community. and for all the opportunities I've been granted with my time with the city of Sausalito. I am very excited about the next chapter in my professional life, but you can be assured that Sausalito has carved a very special place in my heart. And I am so thankful for all the experiences that I've had, all of the lifelong friends I've met and all of the opportunities that I've been given that have further developed my professional career. And all of you were a part of that. So thank you very much. |
| 03:09:38.73 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. All the... I'll start us off. Um, You know, It's been since 2014 really when I became involved. So one wedding and two babies later, Well. with our Ms. Whalen, it's been a great, great, great journey. We've been so fortunate to have you as part of our our city council family, or our city family, and your dedication throughout the years, and not just your dedication, but your competence, not just your competence, you're carrying and positive attitude with regard to leading the people in our in our staff and set a really great example for not just how you treat people on the staff, but how you treat our residents. And I know everybody appreciates that. And we so appreciate all the time and effort. And this is not goodbye, this is just We'll talk to you next week sometime or something. So anyway, all right, who would like to go next? It's just like... |
| 03:10:38.87 | Ian Sobieski | I'd just like to say first on EDAC and then on city council, as you know, the work of your department is something that I was keenly interested in and engaged with. You are unflappable and professional, and you exceed those two qualities only with your extraordinary work ethic. You just work so hard for your whole team and for the town of Sausalito. and just set a standard for everyone to aspire to. So thank you for... being you and that's just in your work world. Of course, all the personal work you do on top of it, I have no idea. how you manage with your family to do work and put in the hours that you've done and all the good work. We'll miss you. |
| 03:11:24.82 | Jill Hoffman | All right, who wants to go next? I would love the erection. |
| 03:11:26.84 | Janelle Kellman | I love you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:11:28.83 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 03:11:28.85 | Jill Hoffman | Bye. |
| 03:11:28.89 | Melissa Blaustein | All right, Casper. |
| 03:11:28.97 | Janelle Kellman | All right, Councillor Baird. Thank you. |
| 03:11:29.51 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 03:11:29.59 | Janelle Kellman | Come on. |
| 03:11:30.03 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. Well, I, gosh, I've known Lily, I can't even count the years, but I think we met on the first housing element subcommittee when I was a citizen member. And I just that was a really grueling process, but interesting. And I just really appreciate All Lilly staff work on that effort all the way through being on the Planning Commission and all those long nights through the general plan and then you know, with everything that you've got on your plate now, kind of accommodating COVID, and retooling and kind of coming out on top with all that with your two small children and your husband kind of all in the same workspace. You know, I just really admire you. I have always found you to be intelligent, compassionate, And as Ian said, you know, just a very hard worker. I think It is such a bittersweet moment for me, but I think the thing that finally made me be able to come to peace with your decision is your Um, your letter where you talked about your community and your family and being so much closer. to where you live for work and really being more a part of your community and being able to spend more time with your growing family and as a mom, and a wife, I can really understand that decision. And I'm just very proud of you. And I have a lot of admiration for you. So best of luck. And I think it's a big loss for Sassolito, but I think it's the best decision for you. Thank you so much, Lily, for all your time here and all your work. |
| 03:13:21.78 | Janelle Kellman | I would love to jump in because Lily, we've spent many a late night together. in closed quarters, i.e. the chambers. You know, you are a true story of and using that intellect and drive to develop. And I'll just, for the community, if everybody doesn't know, Lily started in 2008 as an assistant planner moved up to be an associate planner moved up to be senior administrative analyst moved up to be an assistant city manager and then of course has the role she has now and that's just a a really wonderful series of achievements and shows is your hard work and your your dedication and nothing can Nothing can ever change the many nights sitting on the dais and needing answers quickly to questions I forgot to ask you ahead of time. And you, of course, always knew the answer, whether it was your project or not. And I always thought to myself, how does she have the time to do all that? And then, of course, seeing you, you know, get pregnant twice and and having those children and you know knowing how that impacted your your life and so you you kept coming back to Sausalito and serving the residents of Sausalito and so you know I know I speak on behalf of everybody here but also just for my own personal experience I feel like I've spent the last 13 years getting to work with you and as others have said, unflappable and so much drive and intellect. And I just want to thank you for your time and your dedication for being a part of the Saucido family. And I wish you the best of luck. No surprise that you are continuing to grow and take on new challenges. Please keep us posted and send us postcards. |
| 03:15:02.18 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 03:15:03.06 | Janelle Kellman | All right. Oh, I... |
| 03:15:04.14 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 03:15:04.65 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 03:15:04.68 | Melissa Blaustein | Bye. |
| 03:15:04.70 | Janelle Kellman | Right? |
| 03:15:04.78 | Jill Hoffman | Right? Okay. |
| 03:15:04.97 | Melissa Blaustein | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 03:15:05.63 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 03:15:05.65 | Melissa Blaustein | it Lily, I remember the first time I met you in 2017 when I was running for city council and everyone was like, who is this person? And you were so wonderful and warm and kind and caring and smart and knew everything about the ins and outs of the city and what I should know. And I just feel like you've kind of continued to shepherd me through my, from when I ran for city council the first time to sustainability commission and the general plan you were always sort of offering me that extra piece of help or insider knowledge that I really, really needed. And I've just really looked up to you so much and how well you understand everything about the way our community works and how much time you put into giving back to this community. And I just think about the long, hard struggle of change that you just have to fully jumped into in your career. I'm really, really, really going to miss you a lot. I'm very, I think we all are going to miss you quite a lot. And we were so lucky to be able to keep you for 13 years and And it's really exciting that you are going to be so close to your kids' schools. and that you're working in a city that's four times the size in the same role, it's just a really big opportunity in your career and I'm sure you'll be managing whole cities before we know it. And I hope you'll stay um, in touch with all of us and we please know that we so appreciate you and your service and all that you've given. And I really appreciate everything you've done. just to help me grow personally, I just am really gonna miss you. So thank you so much. I'm gonna get emotional, so. |
| 03:16:50.39 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. |
| 03:16:54.08 | Jill Hoffman | All right, very good. I think that's a great note to end on. And so. Good job, you guys. Good night. Thank you, the staff. Thank you, everybody else. Oh, did Chris want to say that? Hold on. No, he's like, good, we're done. |
| 03:17:10.74 | Lily Whalen | Thank you all for all those very kind words. I don't have any words. Thank you. |
| 03:17:11.65 | Jill Hoffman | It was very close. |
| 03:17:15.97 | Melissa Blaustein | Well deserved. |
| 03:17:16.97 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 03:17:17.07 | Melissa Blaustein | Yeah. |
| 03:17:17.12 | Lily Whalen | Thank you. |
| 03:17:17.52 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. Thank you. you |
| 03:17:19.11 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 03:17:19.13 | Lily Whalen | Thank you. |
| 03:17:19.16 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 03:17:19.33 | Janelle Kellman | Thank you. |
| 03:17:19.77 | Melissa Blaustein | Exactly. |
| 03:17:20.04 | Janelle Kellman | Thanks, Lily. Good night, all. |
| 03:17:20.05 | Lily Whalen | Thanks. |
| 03:17:20.38 | Melissa Blaustein | Thank you. |
| 03:17:21.93 | Janelle Kellman | Good night. |
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