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| 00:00:00.03 | Christopher Vert (or similar) | Last time what you did is you started it and then you just paused it. better. Okay. |
| 00:00:04.03 | Serge Avila | our audio sequence. |
| 00:00:11.19 | Serge Avila | I will be starting the recording through Zoom |
| 00:00:21.12 | Unknown | Recording in progress. |
| 00:00:23.62 | Serge Avila | I am admitting members of the public |
| 00:00:26.41 | Unknown | Right? |
| 00:00:32.06 | Serge Avila | And good afternoon Mayor Kelman and Council Members. This meeting has been held pursuant to government code section 54953E and in light of the declared state of emergency, the regular meeting of the City Council for September 20th, 2022. will be conducted telephonically through Zoom and broadcast live on the city's website and cable TV channel 27. Welcome. |
| 00:00:54.74 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you very much, city clerk. We'll go ahead and call. The meeting to order, this is the regular city council meeting. for September 20, 2022. can you please call the board? |
| 00:01:05.24 | Serge Avila | And so Member Cleveland also. |
| 00:01:08.24 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:01:08.27 | Councilmember Hoffman | Bye. |
| 00:01:09.29 | Serge Avila | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 00:01:11.01 | Councilmember Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 00:01:11.78 | Serge Avila | Vice Mayor Blaustein. |
| 00:01:13.18 | Councilmember Hoffman | here. |
| 00:01:13.84 | Serge Avila | Mayor Kilman. |
| 00:01:14.97 | Councilmember Hoffman | Here. |
| 00:01:15.31 | Chris Zapata | Yeah. |
| 00:01:16.68 | Serge Avila | members of the of the council are present and council members will be absent. |
| 00:01:22.30 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. OK, so we're going to head into closed session in a second. We have two items tonight. Item D1, Conference with Legal Counsel. This is anticipated litigation. and where initiation litigation pursuits of California government code section |
| 00:01:34.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:34.08 | Mayor Kelman | 54956.9C. |
| 00:01:34.09 | Unknown | FIRE. Thank you. |
| 00:01:36.72 | Mayor Kelman | one potential case here. And item D2 is conference on labor negotiators. Pursuing to California government code section 54957.6. |
| 00:01:46.11 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:01:46.22 | Mayor Kelman | This is SEIU Local 1021 Disossusate Police Association, |
| 00:01:51.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:01:51.66 | Mayor Kelman | here today for item D2. Do we have any public comment on the closed session items? |
| 00:01:58.92 | Serge Avila | Mariam Hacker, would you like me to provide instructions on how to provide public comment? |
| 00:01:58.97 | Mayor Kelman | to me. |
| 00:02:03.50 | Mayor Kelman | Yes, that'd be great. |
| 00:02:05.45 | Serge Avila | Sure. Video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application, and you will be called upon when is your time to speak to raise your hand. From a phone, press start 9, and each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed. Madam Mayor, I see no hands raised. |
| 00:02:27.01 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, then we will close public comment and we'll go ahead and adjourn the closed session. Thanks very much. |
| 00:02:33.49 | Serge Avila | Madam Mayor, closed session will be done through the breakout room, and I will be assigning you manually to the room. |
| 00:02:39.84 | Chris Zapata | Thank you so much. |
| 00:03:15.87 | Mayor Kelman | the vice mayor |
| 00:03:21.26 | Serge Avila | Welcome back, Madam Mayor, and searching for the Vice Mayor right now. |
| 00:03:30.53 | Serge Avila | Does that appear as the vice mayor is in the room? |
| 00:03:36.15 | Mayor Kelman | I am. Thank you. |
| 00:03:38.85 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:03:39.00 | Mayor Kelman | . |
| 00:03:39.03 | Ian Sobieski | Hello, Janelle. |
| 00:03:40.00 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. I don't know. |
| 00:03:41.45 | Ian Sobieski | Bonjour. |
| 00:03:43.61 | Mayor Kelman | Well, Buenos Aires. |
| 00:03:45.46 | Ian Sobieski | Oh. |
| 00:03:45.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:03:46.43 | Mayor Kelman | I know. I know. OK, well, in the interest of Roman time. How about we go ahead and get ourselves back online, Surge? |
| 00:03:59.13 | Serge Avila | Sure. So Madam Mayor, we're going to go ahead and re-initiate our audio sequence. |
| 00:04:07.94 | Serge Avila | I'm going to go ahead and restart our recording through Zoom. |
| 00:04:11.71 | Unknown | Recording in progress. |
| 00:04:15.45 | Serge Avila | And welcome back, Madam Mayor. I will be admitting all Um, members of the public now. |
| 00:04:20.77 | Chris Zapata | Okay, thank you. |
| 00:04:30.61 | Serge Avila | Welcome back from closed session, MetaMayer. We're live and everyone is in the room now. |
| 00:04:36.02 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, great. Thank you, everybody. Welcome to the city council meeting for the city of Sausalito. Today is September 20th, 2022. We are returning from closed session. I do have one announcement. In closed session, we have decided not to participate in the challenge to the RENA allocation that many community members have inquired about. We are finalizing a letter detailing the reasoning behind this, and that will get posted as an agenda item, pardon me, as a late mail item to the agenda. It will also get posted to the HEAC, which is the Health and Health and Health Advisory Committee next agenda meeting for review by the public. So thank you everybody who wrote in. We appreciate your input and we wanted to provide a transparent process and communication back to you all. Okay, so now we're gonna go ahead and move into the public session here. Do we have any comments or a motion and a second to approve the agenda? |
| 00:05:32.20 | Mayor Kelman | Move to a platform. |
| 00:05:32.98 | Councilmember Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:05:34.95 | Mayor Kelman | Is there a second? Thank you. Please call the roll of searches. |
| 00:05:39.39 | Serge Avila | Councilmember Sobieski? Yes. Remember Cleveland Knowles? |
| 00:05:43.71 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 00:05:44.55 | Serge Avila | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 00:05:45.87 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:05:45.97 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah. |
| 00:05:46.04 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:05:46.09 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 00:05:46.32 | Serge Avila | Thank you. Weissmere Blaustein. |
| 00:05:51.08 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:05:51.12 | Serge Avila | Thank you. |
| 00:05:52.13 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | unmute. There we go. Thank you, Serge. Yes. Thank you. |
| 00:05:54.98 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:05:55.30 | Serge Avila | And Mary Kellman. |
| 00:05:56.53 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Yes. |
| 00:05:56.97 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. Okay, that counts as 5-0. Thank you. Moving on to the next item, special presentations or mayor's announcements. I actually have two. The first is I want to invite everybody to join the city council on Sunday at Southview Park at 11 a.m. for the dedication and grand reopening, really, of this beautiful new park. Huge, huge effort here by so many volunteers and community members that will begin at 11 a.m. And I hope you all can join. So I want to make sure that you all know that that is happening. So thank you to the council members who worked very hard on this past and present. And again, all the members of the community. The second announcement I'd like to make is that you may have noticed in Currents there was about a 20 minute video. It was more of an interview FAQ that I did with our housing consultant from DeNovo. around some of the questions and assumptions ideas that were going out around the housing element. And so we did that video. on behalf of the community, again, for transparency and communication. and doing our best to convey to members of the community what is happening with the housing element. So if you haven't had a chance to see that, You can feel free to reach out to me, reach out to Abbott Chambers at the city. Again, it was in Currents, and you can sign up for Currents on Sausalito's website if you're not already getting those on Friday nights. Okay, so those are the two announcements that I have for you all today. All right, we'll go over then to the action minutes of the previous meeting. Looks like we do have one regular meeting minutes. It's August 30th, 2022. Do we have any comments on the meeting minutes? |
| 00:07:33.43 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, would any member of the public like to comment on the meeting minutes? and search if you can confirm if anybody would like to. |
| 00:07:43.98 | Serge Avila | Madam Mayor, I see no hands raised. |
| 00:07:46.29 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, so public comment is closed on the meeting minutes. And I will ask for a motion in a second. |
| 00:07:52.28 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | you |
| 00:07:52.33 | Mayor Kelman | move. |
| 00:07:52.68 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:07:53.85 | Mayor Kelman | Second. Second. Please call the role search. |
| 00:07:58.35 | Serge Avila | Councilmember Sobieski. Yes. Council member Cleveland Knowles. |
| 00:08:02.18 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 00:08:03.31 | Serge Avila | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 00:08:04.78 | Eva | Thank you. |
| 00:08:04.80 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 00:08:05.52 | Serge Avila | Weissmere Blaustein. |
| 00:08:07.03 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 00:08:07.87 | Serge Avila | Mayor Kilman. Thank you. |
| 00:08:09.02 | Mayor Kelman | Yeah. |
| 00:08:09.04 | Serge Avila | Yes. I'm from Persis. |
| 00:08:11.30 | Mayor Kelman | Thanks, everybody. Our next item is the consent calendar. Matters listed under the consent calendar are considered routine and non-controversial, require no discussion, are expected to have unanimous council support, and may be enacted by the council in one motion. There will be no separate discussion of consent calendar items. However, before the council votes on a motion to adopt the consent calendar items, council members, city staff, or members of the public may request that specific items be removed from the consent calendar for separate action. |
| 00:08:26.94 | Eva | However, |
| 00:08:33.44 | Unknown | That's... I, |
| 00:08:36.85 | Mayor Kelman | Items removed from the consent calendar will be discussed later on the agenda and public comment will be heard on any item that was removed from the consent calendar. So we have five today on the consent calendar. Item 3A is the response to the grand jury report findings and recommendations on affordable housing. Time for collaboration in Marin. Item 3B is 2021-2022, Marin County Civil Great Injury Response, electrifying Marin's building, eliminating natural gas as a fuel source in residential and commercial buildings. Item 3C, receive and file a video of frequently asked questions regarding South Angeles current housing element update. which I referenced earlier. Item 3D, an update regarding Pacific Gas and Electric Company system upgrades within the city of Sausalito. And item 3E, adopt a resolution to continue to conduct the city's council and all of the city board commission and committee meetings were related to health and safety concerns Okay, does anybody on the council wish to comment or take anything off consent? Yes, Vice Mayor. |
| 00:09:31.16 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | I don't want to take anything off, but I just want to thank the sustainability commission and council member Cleveland Knowles for working so hard on report response and electrification. I really appreciated all of the input that was put into that and the time. And so I think we're in a really good place with it. And just wanted to note that after our robust discussion together last week. |
| 00:09:47.92 | Mayor Kelman | Yes, thank you for that. Thank you for taking that offline and working through that on our behalf. Any other comments on consent from Council members. Okay, let's go ahead and open that up to public comment. Sir, should we have public comment on consent items? |
| 00:10:03.70 | Serge Avila | Madam Mayor, I see no hands raised, but if you'd like to for me to provide direction on how to provide public comment, I can do that. |
| 00:10:11.38 | Mayor Kelman | Yes, why don't you go ahead and do that? |
| 00:10:12.80 | Serge Avila | Sure. Video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application and you will be called upon when is your time to speak. To raise your hand from a phone, press start nine and each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed. Madam Mayor, I still see no hands raised. |
| 00:10:34.41 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, I'm closing public comment then as to consent. And then I'll ask for a motion to approve the consent calendar and a second. |
| 00:10:41.08 | Ian Sobieski | I just have one question there. Sorry. Um, the PG need, I am just attached confused by, uh, |
| 00:10:43.63 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 00:10:48.30 | Ian Sobieski | because it shows up on business and also has consent, but the business item doesn't really have a report attached to it. We'll be able to speak about the issues that we discussed last time concerning obtaining help, professional help for our investigation about undergrounding possibilities as item 5C or do we have to take the PG&E item off consent to do so? |
| 00:11:15.81 | Mayor Kelman | I believe the intention was to cover those topics that you just articulated, Council Member Sobieski. But if the city manager or the city attorney have a contrary or further insight, please let us know. |
| 00:11:26.89 | Chris Zapata | Yeah, I can speak to that mayor. and the city attorney can weigh in. because we wanted to have a broader discussion beyond just the uh, projects that PG and E spoke about at the August 30th meeting, uh, the agenda, Ising of these two items provides for that as my understanding and city attorney can, um, uh, vouch for that with me or disagree with me, but that's the intent. Council member. |
| 00:11:51.43 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:11:51.45 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:11:51.48 | Ian Sobieski | Okay. |
| 00:11:51.63 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:52.24 | Ian Sobieski | I agree with it. Okay, great. THEN WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT AS IS. THANKS. AND I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ACCOUNT. |
| 00:11:59.31 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. We have a second. Second. Okay, please call the role search. |
| 00:12:04.54 | Serge Avila | Councilmember Sobieski. Yes. Council Member Clever-Knowles. |
| 00:12:08.44 | Chris Zapata | Yes. |
| 00:12:09.28 | Serge Avila | Council Member Hoffman, |
| 00:12:10.60 | Chris Zapata | Yes. |
| 00:12:11.21 | Serge Avila | Vice Mayor Blaustein. |
| 00:12:12.62 | Mayor Kelman | STATES. |
| 00:12:13.03 | Serge Avila | and Mayor Kelman. |
| 00:12:14.26 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 00:12:14.30 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 00:12:14.60 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 00:12:14.75 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:12:14.77 | Serge Avila | Thank you. Motion passes. |
| 00:12:16.32 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, thank you. All right, we're going to move now on to public hearing items. public hearing items, some of the business items, at item 5A, Consider the adoption of a resolution approving the citywide historic context statement. And so I will welcome our assistant planner, Callie Ford, to give us comments. |
| 00:12:40.12 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:12:40.15 | Callie Ford | Good evening, City Council, Callie Ford Associate Planner of the City of Sausalito. |
| 00:12:40.16 | Unknown | Good evening. |
| 00:12:45.33 | Callie Ford | Salcedo's general plan includes a variety of policies and programs aimed at protecting and enhancing the community's character and its historic resources. |
| 00:12:45.57 | Unknown | you know, |
| 00:12:52.79 | Callie Ford | In 2012, the California Office of Historic Preservation awarded the city a CLG grant to fund the preparation of historic context statement as a preliminary step in identifying and evaluating Sausalito's historical resources. Christopher Vert playing Principal of Burbank Historic Preservation Consulting prepared the Sausalito Citywide Historic Context Statement Finalized in 2020 and revised in 2022. Here's Christopher to discuss his edits. |
| 00:13:41.44 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 00:13:41.46 | Mayor Kelman | Mayor Kelman, I think you're muted. Kelly, is this the screen? Thank you, Susan. The screen you wish to show us the draft opportunity size for Town Hall? Thank you. |
| 00:13:48.75 | Callie Ford | Yes. waiting for Christopher to speak. See if he's unmuted. |
| 00:14:03.44 | Callie Ford | um, can. Bye. |
| 00:14:05.98 | Dan Hoarder | I asked you. Mayor Kelman, this is Dan Hoarder. Chris wanted, he just wanted a map up of the neighborhoods and the communities throughout. Sausalito as a reference, and this is the map that we're using. |
| 00:14:21.85 | Chris Zapata | you |
| 00:14:21.87 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:14:21.97 | Chris Zapata | . |
| 00:14:22.01 | Mayor Kelman | you |
| 00:14:25.67 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, do you see Christopher Surge on the on the meeting. |
| 00:14:28.30 | Serge Avila | Chris has been unmuted. |
| 00:14:30.87 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, great. |
| 00:14:31.96 | Chris Zapata | Thanks. |
| 00:14:33.95 | Christopher Vert (or similar) | Okay, should I take it away? |
| 00:14:36.05 | Chris Zapata | Yes, please. |
| 00:14:37.13 | Christopher Vert (or similar) | Okay. Good evening Mayor Kelman, Councilmembers. Thank you for the opportunity TO PRESENT THE REVISIONS TO THE SOSCELIDO CITYWIDE HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT. I first presented the draft of this document to you at your August 31st, 2022, I'm sorry, 2021 hearing. And at the hearing, several of you requested a number of revisions. pertaining to the issues of diversity, equity, and inclusion. And after about a year, I've completed all those provisions, which you'll find in the revised May 2022 version. that's been included with your packet. So please keep in mind when I first started writing this document, um, nearly a decade ago, long before Donald Trump and George Floyd and all the other events that have led to a reckoning with the forces of racial prejudice and exclusion in this country Such topics had traditionally not been included in historic context statements. which primarily deal with the physical evolution of a given community. But I've since realized that these issues do have major implications on the built environment. Um, So I'll go through the various revisions that you requested and then talk about how I resolve them, hopefully. First, you requested a Coast Miwok land acknowledgement. I drafted one in the forward of the historic contact statement. which staff then sent to the Federated Indians of Great Rancheria. AND HISTORIATE FROM THE GROUP reviewed the land acknowledgement suggested several minor edits, which I completed and I believe that's ready to go. Second, you had requested that I treat the Coast Miwok theme apart from the Spanish and on page 19 of the historic contact statement. I'd initially combine them due to the fact that cultural resources from both were archeological nature, but I think it made sense to treat them separately, so I've done that. Um, third, you requested that I remove any references to Marin city as being within Sausalito's, uh, Eric's fear of influence. And I did this on page 111. I also cleaned up a few references to changes of socialitas boundaries over the years, uh, 60s and 70s, like cleaned all that So onto the part of the matter, the fourth and most extensively requested revisions entail completing research to determine the impact of racial covenants and the slow growth movement the impacts these movements and institutions may have had on the demographics of Sausalito as well as its built environment. At first, I wasn't sure how to tackle the subject. I never really seriously considered why and many other Marin County communities have remained most exclusively white. throughout much of their history, even while other affluent bearer communities have become much more diverse. I'm quite familiar with the topic of racial covenants. having co-authored a national register nomination for St. Francis Wood in San Francisco. which is one of the earliest neighborhoods to establish racial covenants back in the early part of the 20th century. And I also authored the African American citywide historic context statement in San Francisco, which really took me into this. topic quite extensive. most post-war and even earlier, actually most 20th century. San Francisco neighborhoods had Rachel Cummins. Initially, I doubted there were any racial covenants in Sausalito because virtually all the city was subdivided in the 1860s, long before the adoption of the first racial covenants in the U.S. in 1905. However, The construction of the Golden Gate Bridge in the mid 1930s led to the resubdivision and development of the rural lands above Newtown. All of this land had been subdivided in 1869. by the Sauslito Land and Ferry Company It had never been developed. in part because the land is so steep and difficult to access. Nevertheless, completion of the Golden Gate Bridge and the Walder Great suddenly made this land valuable. enough for residential development. 1936 with the Sausenetel Land and Ferry Company. which still own the land in question. resurveyed a tract of 50 logs funded by Casno, Glenn, Currie and Platt Avenue. The company named the track El Portal Height. It hired San Francisco architect Angus McSweeney. to design five model homes to be built on Ray Avenue. El Portal Heights was the first track in Sausalito to include racial covenants, which restricted residency to, and I quote, any person not entirely that of the Caucasian race." live in domestic servants were accepted from this rule. About a dozen houses were built in the tract before World War II. with the Volcom construction, did not occur until the 1950s. adjoining El Patel Heights to the north. Um, is Monte Mar Vista. which is also laid out by the Sausalito Land and Ferry about a year later in 1937. It was marketed as a commuter suburb of people going to San Francisco. with some connection to Highway 1, at Spencer Avenue. 101, rather. other streets in the tract include Crescenta Drive. Crescent Lane, George Lane, PISTICALA ROAD. and the upper part of Curry Avenue. as a sister subdivision to El Patel Heights. Montemore Vista also had a ritual covenant Although a few houses were built prior to the war, Montemore Vista was primarily a post-war development. So El Patal Heights and Montemarvista were the only two tracks in Sausalito for which I could find hard evidence of racial covenants. And it looked hard, including local newspapers, and property deeds at the Marin County Clerk of Courter's Office. The language of the covenants does not specifically define Caucasian. So it's not known exactly how they were used. However, based on my research and other communities in California, Racial covenants in Northern California were primarily directed toward African-Americans and Asian-Americans. which prevented them from purchasing property or renting in the neighborhood. Racial covenants were declared unenforceable by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1948 in Shelley v. Kramer. As a result, none of Sausalito's post-war subdivisions had them. including Toyon Terraces or Wolfpack Ridge, which are both subdivided in 1948. or Marina Vista, or Buena Vista Heights, which were both subdivided in the early 1960s. Although Supreme Court declared them unconstitutional. and therefore unenforceable by the court. Racial covenants remained legal for another two decades. as voluntary agreements among homeowners. This remained the case until the passage of the National Housing Act of 1968. which finally made it illegal to discriminate on the basis of race, color, creed or national origin. Unfortunately, the National Housing Act did not stop housing discrimination. After 1968, racial discrimination simply went underground. with realtors, landlords and homeowner associations. employing settler man. including the illegal practice of steering. people of color away from predominantly white neighborhoods. or simply telling minority home buyers or rent for people seeking an apartment. the particular apartment or house was no longer available. You also asked for information on how the slow growth movement may have been used as a tool to exclude people. This is where things get a little murky in the research. much of the opposition toward large-scale development in Sausalito during the post-war years. appears to have been genuinely motivated by the desire to preserve the city's scenic small town qualities. Where this crosses the line into exclusion is very difficult to document. because polite middle-class people don't usually talk about such things. especially in public. or to the press. I don't doubt the desire to keep Sausalito as it is." has taken on racial and classist overtones in the past. but it's difficult to tease that out from other factors. It's perhaps worth noting the slow growth in anti-density politics are now deeply embedded in racially diverse neighborhoods across the Bay Area. or the battle to hold onto single family zoning. appears to cross color lines. However, I think the revisions you requested have made the sauce lead to a historic context statement. much more accurate and honest portrayal of the city. Although it does not appear that Sausalito was the hotbed of overt racial discrimination, The city has a legacy of exclusion that should be acknowledged. In my opinion, this is something that our nation as a whole should reckon with. its effort to heal and grow. With that, I conclude my presentation. Thank you. |
| 00:23:58.24 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. I know you've done a lot of work here in Sausalito, and I know we asked for several iterations, and I just want to applaud you for your time. thoughtful and insightful consideration of these issues that were raised. It sounds like you've done a tremendous amount of work in San Francisco and other communities. And I thought your presentation really took to heart the concerns that this council had and the goals we have around racial justice and equity. I want to just commend you and your work. I really appreciate that. |
| 00:24:27.38 | Christopher Vert (or similar) | Thank you. |
| 00:24:29.05 | Mayor Kelman | Do any council members have questions for Mr. Ripoll? |
| 00:24:35.36 | Mayor Kelman | Yes, Councilman. |
| 00:24:35.97 | Jill Hoffman | of the Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. I don't have a question. I just want to thank you as well, Christopher, as one of the working group that referred some of the draft questions that we had back to you for further research. I appreciate you re-engaging with us and doing a, thorough historic research on those issues and including them in the report. So well done and thank you for helping us get to this point. And hopefully we're going to wrap it up. get it approved tonight. So thank you. I appreciate it. |
| 00:25:07.93 | Ian Sobieski | Bye. |
| 00:25:09.10 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:25:09.11 | Chris Zapata | Thank you for that council member. Yeah, councilman Cleveland. |
| 00:25:12.42 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, thank you, Mr. Verblank. and gave comments originally to our associate planner, Heidi, or senior planner, Heidi Burns way back. And I think you, not only took the comments to heart, but you really provided Just a very in-depth I learned a lot. I learned a lot. things that I had suspected but didn't fully know and um so i just appreciate the detail and the um the hard look that you took and the perspective that you provided with other Northern California communities as well. I. I just, you know, I know this process was long, but I'm just really impressed by the work product. And I appreciate your hanging in there with us and your patience and your perseverance. that And I guess that's all. I just, I didn't think that we'd get here and I'm really... I'm very proud of the document that you created and I think it will be a of you know, other people's work and documents as other communities struggle with these issues. |
| 00:26:28.46 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. Thank you, council member. |
| 00:26:31.22 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. |
| 00:26:31.29 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 00:26:31.38 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | dude, Yeah, I mean, I remember when we got the first iteration, a lot of the questions that we received were, is this document the right place for this information? It doesn't belong here. It shouldn't go here. And in fact, you even said in your presentation at the beginning, you weren't sure if the historic context statement had traditionally included this type of information. And to hear you share the detail that you shared, but also your personal journey of, you know, getting to this place of this is something that should be in planning documents going forward and knowing what a leader you are. in crafting historic context statements for other communities. I'm just really looking forward to the inclusion of more of this type of historical context and conversations across Northern California and California. And I really appreciate that we're leading and including these types of implications for and, diversity and equity and inclusion in any city document. So really just, I'm really so happy with everything that you've included and the amount of time that went into this and the effort. And I really feel that it was worth the year and all of the times that the planning commission reviewed it and the. |
| 00:27:29.75 | Councilmember Hoffman | Absolutely. Thank you. |
| 00:27:33.90 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | HPC and I'm, I, I really hope that other cities and communities will look to it because you did just such an excellent job, Chris. And I know this isn't a question, but I just really wanted to thank you for putting your head down and getting all of this done in a really new way. And I think important impactful way. |
| 00:27:51.11 | Christopher Vert (or similar) | Thank you. Yeah, I'm going to include this from now on when I do these. I think it's so important. I thank you all for for having me do this. Yeah, I learned a lot as well. |
| 00:28:02.87 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. Okay, well, thanks everybody. Let's go and open up to public comment. I do see one hand raised. Serge, can you please help us with public comments? |
| 00:28:13.20 | Serge Avila | Yes, Madam Mayor, we have Eva Eva, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video. |
| 00:28:20.85 | Eva | Yeah. |
| 00:28:20.88 | Serge Avila | Yeah. |
| 00:28:21.69 | Eva | Yeah. I don't know whether to laugh or cry listening to this. I'm watching an all-white city council that hired a completely inept, quote, specialist, unquote, who doubted. He actually stated here. that he doubted racial covenants had ever been employed in Sausalito. You know, years ago, I published an article in the Marin IJ, an opinion. It's just an opinion piece in Marin Voice, you know, stating that there were racial covenants in Sausalito and throughout Marin County. So, you know, I have no idea how much you paid this guy. But it is so typical. And to hear him praised by the combo of Blaustein and Cleveland Knowles. I mean, Cleveland Knowles is someone who, you know, forcibly tried to segregate the school district along with her husband. And then you've got, you know, Blaustein, who's, you know, skated by on enormous wealth and privilege into this seat. And I'll have more to say about recent endorsement by Blaustein later. But I mean, it just speaks to how completely out of touch you are. If you had hired anyone from, you know, the Black community or the Asian American community or the Latino community to, to write this, you wouldn't have had to go through so many iterations. I'd like, I'd like to know how much this guy has been paid. And, and frankly, I mean, this is not, this is not a win. It is, it is like, it is your own completely tone deaf, lack of self-awareness. And this has been a farce from day one. You know, there have been multiple books and multiple articles from esteemed institutions about the racial covenants, you know, that have dealt specifically with Marin County. And so it's stunning that this guy was given this job in the first place, but then that you had to fight to get him to include it. And now he's being congratulated for acknowledging what, you know, every Black person in Marin City who you wouldn't give a it's, it's so typical. And, um, I just, you know, to the extent that I think you should I don't know what the solution for a city council like this is. I mean, I really don't know. It's so toned up and it's so clueless. And it's also sad and farcical, but... It is what it is. |
| 00:31:05.77 | Mayor Kelman | OK, thanks very much. We have another hand raised. |
| 00:31:10.27 | Serge Avila | Our next speaker is Vicki Nichols. Vicki, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video. |
| 00:31:18.30 | Unknown | you |
| 00:31:18.51 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you. |
| 00:31:21.64 | Vicki Nichols | Good evening council. I can't, I, first of all, I want to say it's, it's, A pleasure to see Mr. Verplank come back with us. the information, factual information, that he... research with the County of Marin. on specific language in these covenants by areas to make this a more accurate Statement. This I know came back and was perceived by some that we were trying to block any mention of these despicable actions, but this document has now incorporated actual factual information And by neighborhood. So I'd also like to just attest to Mr. Verplank's qualifications. I don't want to get into a scuffle with the last speaker. But he has been a longtime documenter. of Sausalito's history. He is highly regarded in his field. And I can tell you that I have at least a couple of other friends, uh, historical preservationists that are very interested in his document and are waiting to see what how we will finally resolve this Council so. Although this didn't come back through the regular process, I was given a copy and I reviewed it. I support this language. And I can tell you that Vice Chair Newman also read this and he supports this. We would just urge you to get this approved. Now is the time. Please, please, please get this approved. Thank you. And thank you, Christopher, again. Good to see you. |
| 00:32:59.99 | Christopher Vert (or similar) | question. |
| 00:33:00.40 | Serge Avila | Thank you. |
| 00:33:01.06 | Vicki Nichols | Thank you very much. and one more hand up. |
| 00:33:05.00 | Serge Avila | Our next speaker is Damian. Damian, you've been unmuted. |
| 00:33:12.23 | Chris Zapata | Welcome, Damian. |
| 00:33:13.12 | Damian | Hello. Hello. Can you hear me? |
| 00:33:17.39 | Chris Zapata | Yes, we can. |
| 00:33:18.82 | Damian | I thank you. Well, Um, The ugly history. is present. I guess we're calling it history. But, uh, it's also present. And The statement is a statement. The project is the project. But what is Sausalito doing to rectify? What are you doing to make things better? Um, So... That's a question that I would like to answer at some point. The My grandfather worked in a marine ship, and we know the story. I won't go on to that, full detail, but Mr. Henry Garrison Sr., work there. And he's a part of what you're talking about. We are a part of that. What are you, what have you, the city council, what are you doing to better the situations that are present, not past, present. Um, Uh, no. for starters, is to do a little bit, to do a little bit of work. just a fingernails worth of work in 2020, a couple years ago, SOS LIDO started a racial equity committee That had absolutely zero chance of anything done. That committee, we had one meeting And that was it. Well, actually, I guess you guys had a movie showing. So, you know, white folk were, whoa, whoa, whoa. Typically, Speak on it, and that's it. So let's not portray like we're doing something to make a difference. because Saucyero is not, doing anything. to better. to even to start, to start the process of even improving any of those conditions that Uh, Sauce Teal helped to further throughout the past decades. So I'll just put that in your ear and on your minds and what have you done and what are you doing going forward. Again. the equity committee that you started to do a little bit of work had zero chance. Thank you. |
| 00:35:32.96 | Chris Zapata | Thank you, Damian. Any other members of the public search? |
| 00:35:36.47 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:35:37.32 | Serge Avila | Madam Mayor, I see no, their hands raised. |
| 00:35:39.95 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, we'll go ahead then and close public comment. bring it back up to the council. The action tonight is to approve the historic contact statement Does anybody have additional comments or is anybody ready to make a motion for |
| 00:35:53.84 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:35:54.16 | Mayor Kelman | that we approve of this. |
| 00:35:54.38 | Unknown | that we're playing. |
| 00:35:54.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:35:55.42 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 00:35:55.44 | Mayor Kelman | I'm really amazed. |
| 00:35:55.96 | Jill Hoffman | a motion to approve the historic contact statement as drafted and presented. tonight. |
| 00:36:00.74 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:36:01.68 | Jill Hoffman | you |
| 00:36:02.04 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. Great, thank you very much. Serge, could you please call the roll? |
| 00:36:06.32 | Serge Avila | Councilmember Sobieski. Yes. Councilman Rick Livermore-Knowles. |
| 00:36:10.27 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 00:36:10.97 | Serge Avila | Councilmember Hoffman. |
| 00:36:12.59 | Councilmember Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:36:12.60 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 00:36:12.97 | Councilmember Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:36:13.01 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:36:13.23 | Serge Avila | Weissmere Blaustein. |
| 00:36:14.78 | Councilmember Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:36:14.80 | Mayor Kelman | Yeah. |
| 00:36:14.97 | Councilmember Hoffman | Yes. |
| 00:36:15.18 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:36:15.44 | Serge Avila | And Mayor Kelman. |
| 00:36:16.47 | Councilmember Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:36:16.50 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 00:36:17.82 | Serge Avila | Motion passes. |
| 00:36:19.25 | Mayor Kelman | Great. Thank you again, everybody. I know it was a lot of hard work It's a much, much better place. And so I'm... It's a good document. Thanks, Chris. Thanks, Kelly. Have a good night. Okay, we'll move on to item 5B, adopt a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute the agreement with Intertie to install electrical vehicle EV charging stations at parking lot to City Hall and W Park in an amount of $116,624 and authorize a construction contingency of $16,000 for a total authorized amount of $132,624. All right, this is over to our Director of Public Works, Kevin McGowan. |
| 00:36:54.93 | Kevin McGowan | Good evening, Madam Mayor, City Council members. I do have a short presentation just to show you some things on the screen of where we're anticipating putting some charging stations. It may help with some of the discussions this evening. So give me one second here. Thank you. Now, hopefully you can see my screen, which says EV charging stations for city council meeting this evening. Yep, we see that. Okay, great. Thank you so much. As you know, I am Kevin McGowan with the Department of Public Works. And item 5B before you this evening relates to the installation of electric vehicle charging stations here in Sausalito. The installation of EV stations has been discussed and included in the capital improvement program since 2001 and before that. In April 2022, staff provided an update to Council regarding the installation of EV stations. Bye. An ED project is slightly different than your normal construction project in that we generally need to purchase the ED stations, as well as secure construction services to have them installed. Staff reached out to three vendors with regard to the purchase of the stations and received two responses with one vendor not noting that their business model did not match the needs of the city. Intertai, which is a local company here in Sausalito, provided a quote for the units as well as the installation of the electrical connection system. STAFF WORKED WITH THE REMAINING VENDORING with inner tie. to examine a total of five locations within the city for new EV stations. From the examination staff recommends not including parking lot number one at this time, based on the possibility possibility of future improvements to the area related to the very land side projects phase one and phase two. The EV station provider also did not recommend moving forward with installation of stations at MLK, noting that this site is a bit further away from the downtown area of Sausalito and may not be a sufficient place to really put the EV stations. The contractor provided a quote for the purchase of the charging units, as well as the installation of the electrical services for each unit. The locations of the charging stations, including City Hall, Dunphy Park, and parking lot number two, which was the location originally noted in the CIP for EV use. The installation of EV units is funded by two grants, one from the Transportation Authority of Marin and the second from Marin Clean Energy. Support from these agencies equals a total of $91,000. That's if we put all the seven units in place. which is quite a bit. In addition, the city would have to bear the cost of about $26,000. That's if we don't have any changes in the field, which I would hope we don't. But just knowing how things work outside here in Sausalito, we might have some changes. While staff recommends moving forward with these all station, all station installations at this time, the council is welcome to choose any combination of these stations. if it feels certain sites should not be pursued at this point in time. So you can pick and choose which sites you may want or the number of units in each site as well. That's important. That's one reason we wanted to bring this to you in more of a discussion item this evening. or a business item, excuse me. The action recommended by staff this evening will initiate the construction process to install these facilities and purchase the EV stations. Monthly software cost, electrical cost, and the ultimate cost to the user has not been determined at this time. Staff anticipates returning to council in the next few meetings with user charge options. and a recommendation to proceed with their activation after installation. A separate fund or account system may be necessary In the future as well to fiscally track the EV charging station usage, so we might have to do some internal stuff with our finance department to to better streamline the process. |
| 00:41:50.17 | Kevin McGowan | All right, allocation of reserve funds are needed to support this project at this point in time. Reimbursement by the granting agents will occur after the project is completed. Our assistant engineer, Ali Iqbal. who has been working on this project. He could not be here tonight, but I wanted to acknowledge his efforts and all the work that he's done in his absence tonight. That concludes my short presentation on the installation of EV stations, and I welcome your questions and comments. Thank you so much. I can keep the presentation up if you'd like, Madam Mayor. |
| 00:42:22.87 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. Maybe just the one with the screen or the slide with the locations. Yeah, Councilmember Hoffman, why don't you start us off? Bye. |
| 00:42:33.98 | Jill Hoffman | and We had a bit of a preview of this at our weekly our standing ferry Ferry landing meeting where we talk about just the phase one of the ferry landing and where we're at. And so one of the things that Bill Hines from SWA said, about these, these, Charging stations is a changing nature of charging and then when you have superchargers that we're going to have fairly shortly. I think this is actually going to be one of them where you get a full charge within about 20 minutes. So, |
| 00:43:01.62 | Unknown | you get a phone call. |
| 00:43:04.66 | Jill Hoffman | the thought process of dedicating or thinking that you're going to dedicate a parking spot for somebody to have to charge all day or for hours isn't really the model anymore and the usage and the industry is changing past that. My my thought process of that meeting was that I didn't know if we wanted to designate three parking spots at Dumpy Park, because, you know, we want those spots, I think, to turn over so people can actually use the park instead of sort of parking there all day. So think of the thinking of the charging station more as transient stations where you pull up for 10 minutes or whatever, 15 minutes and top up or give yourself a boost, but then you move on. And so that's why my thought was perhaps we move those spots, those charging stations over to city hall where you don't have quite the load on people, um, people's usage of parking spots. And you also have city vehicles or more city vehicles at City Hall that need charging. So That was just, I think that was my sort of reaction to My experience at Dunphy is that we do have limited parking there and parking is free. And we don't want those spaces taken up. a daily drive for a whole with no one, you know, there's no revenue source there. So Um, that's kind of my thought, that's kind of where I'm at right now. I absolutely want to do this. Intertite is a socio company. And we absolutely want to support that and I believe there's already an intertite charging station down by Bank of America. So those of us with electric vehicles can go check out that system. that they have. Under Tide is also going to participate, I think, I think the first on the bay, Maureen. In other words, a watercraft vehicle charging station for boats and that's gonna go forward at one of our marinas here fairly quickly. So that's an exciting project. exciting things. That's my initial input on locations. And great job, by the way. You buried the lead there, Kevin, where it looks like it's 25,000 to the city. Yeah, so we absolutely need to go back |
| 00:45:17.02 | Mayor Kelman | I support it. Thank you, Councilmember. Let's go to Councilmember Cleveland North. |
| 00:45:25.43 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, this is super exciting. I'm really glad to see this in front of us tonight. Just following up on Council Member Hoffman's comments. I think we can achieve a lot of what you're hoping to achieve through pricing and time limits. So as the technology improves, we could go from a one hour time limit at Dunphy to a 10 minute time limit or green zone, whatever, 20 minutes. we can, as Director McGowan mentioned, we can determine, when we talk about the operations of these things to charge people not necessarily for the parking, but for the charging. So that there would also be a disincentive you know, if there's a time limit and a a charge. to overstay. So I definitely agree that You know, we have to carefully consider all of this, but I would like to see some charging at Dunphy. It's one of our most public, it's heavily visited, Um, It's much easier for people to find. So, you know, maybe we don't need as many as we have. here, sorry, I have something in there. But anyway, so happy to to talk or maybe we just direct staff to kind of weigh all these considerations and figure out the best. The other question I had just sort of for my own interest, Director McGowan, the subsidy You know that does this does the TAM and MCE money pay for certain parts of this, or do they require a local match? Or how is this set up that, What's the kind of net city cost of 25? Um, You know, is that for installation or something specific? Or is it just they want to see local jurisdictions contributing? |
| 00:47:21.12 | Kevin McGowan | Each one of the granting agencies will contribute to the number of units being installed. You'll notice that a city hall has two units. MCE will contribute $7,000 per unit and TAM will contribute $6,000 per unit. THE COSTS THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU INCLUDE THE Installation of the electrical system, the conduits, and getting the electricity to these specific spots. So that's why you see some of the costs there of $25,000, which covers all of that together. |
| 00:47:54.13 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. Great. Thank you. And then just the last question. We have been looking at a lot too for many, many years, or at least two years, I think. And, It was my memory that when we repaved that lot, we installed the roof. necessary conduit. Is that correct? |
| 00:48:18.50 | Kevin McGowan | I believe we did put it onto it. And let me see if I can get the right picture here. We put a conduit in that goes underneath this sidewalk. I'm hoping that is in the correct space so that it can be accessed through the old Bank of America building. |
| 00:48:38.60 | Ian Sobieski | Okay, there was some public uh, inquiry about whether the charging stations needed to be right up against the Bank of America building and perhaps that interfering with long-term plans. I don't know if anyone is here to comment on that tonight. um, from the Center for the Arts. Is it your opinion, at least from what you know now, Director, that that would be the only if that is where the conduit is, that that's the only space in Lattu where a charging station for the bill. |
| 00:49:13.54 | Kevin McGowan | We need to install at least one charging station that is accessible, that is within next to an accessible parking space. So if there are additional parking spaces here throughout lot two, we can put at least one of those stations in that area. It's my understanding that one of these is accessible, is an accessible spot. And we have to put at least one station there. The second one, or depending upon what council wants, |
| 00:49:38.49 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:41.86 | Kevin McGowan | We can put them in different places. |
| 00:49:45.71 | Ian Sobieski | Okay, thank you. We'll see what we hear. |
| 00:49:47.73 | Mayor Kelman | becoming a Okay. Thank you, Councilmember. Um, And why don't we take the slides off so we can see each other now, Kevin. When we go to the vice mayor, then Councillor Sobieski. Thank you. |
| 00:50:00.71 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | So just to address Councilmember Hoffman's question, if we did move some of the charters, would the grant funding still be? still apply across as long as it was the same number? Or do we risk losing some of the grant funding by making changes on a site basis? |
| 00:50:14.43 | Kevin McGowan | I don't believe we lose the grant funding. It's all dictated by the number of units we put in. |
| 00:50:21.41 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so that's not a problem. And then do you know, since we did put, I remember that we put the, cause the sustainability commission has been working on this issue for quite some time and really trying to push for, EV chargers wherever possible. And I know there's a conduit at at parking lot two, which you've mentioned. What's the capability for fast charging if there isn't a conduit at Dunphy and at City |
| 00:50:46.90 | Kevin McGowan | So I only cut part of that, but we would have to extend a electrical line from current services there at Dumpy, which I believe is capable of doing fast charging. However, I'm not an electrical engineer. We can double check with our contractor. but I'm pretty sure that it is capable of dealing with the fast charging situation. The same with city hall, I believe we do have enough circuitry in order to make that work as well. That our contractor or the, the enterprise contractor, would have told us there's an issue if they saw something. |
| 00:51:23.77 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | And just for clarification, Kevin, do we currently have any cars in the city hall fleet that are electrified? |
| 00:51:30.55 | Kevin McGowan | We don't have cars, but we do have a mower that's electric. |
| 00:51:34.28 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Yes, well, I would hope so after our conversations around gas gas leaf blower ordinances so I'm glad to hear that but for now the capacity or need at City Hall is essentially non existence, since we have yet to electrify our fleet, unfortunately. |
| 00:51:48.56 | Kevin McGowan | That's correct. And when I mention a mower, it's a big mower. It's not one of a handheld type. It's a ride-on mower. |
| 00:51:55.73 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Okay, so it's the real deal is what you're saying. All right, great. Thanks for clarifying that, Kevin. I appreciate it. |
| 00:51:58.94 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:51:58.95 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 00:51:59.07 | Mayor Kelman | I'm not sure. Thank you. I'm going to ask a couple questions before we get back to Councilmember Hoffman. So, their inner ties unique value prop is that they have subterranean battery and generation on top of the the facility as well. Um, Is that something that your presentation didn't have anything about the actual technology for deployment? I also noticed that the one over by Bank of Marin has some type of ad scrolling going. So can you comment on the actual subterranean battery storage availability as backup power and the generation capabilities? And then my second question is going to be around the marketing component and the revenue. |
| 00:52:41.48 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you, Mayor. I don't have enough information to respond to your question about the backup battery. It's my understanding that the units are standalone and they don't have advertising on them as well. So I will investigate both of those issues with the proposed contractor and get back to you on that. |
| 00:53:00.31 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, yeah, because my understanding is that their main value prop and patents are around the subterranean battery. And so we should think strategically around utilizing them as backup power sources instead of diesel generators. In addition, they have Generation located on top. that could mitigate some of the requirements around, around hookups. Um, OK, and then the one that is at Bank of Moran also does have the scrolling advertising, which I think they were looking at as a potential revenue model. So it's not clear to me from the presentation, what is the revenue model here is a rev share opportunity. Is this something that the city could make money from and offset future costs associated with it? |
| 00:53:40.22 | Kevin McGowan | that we can return to you to the council in a future point in time in order to address these type of options and I did mention that in my presentation. But it's my understanding that the city wasn't going to move forward with advertising type of model. It hasn't worked well. specific other public areas, but I'll do a little bit more research and find out. |
| 00:54:03.15 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, and Kevin, are these tier two or tier three? |
| 00:54:06.75 | Kevin McGowan | They are tier two as far as I know. |
| 00:54:09.77 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, so I think we want to go back to the contractor and to Kesburn-Hoffman's question. Can we do tier three? Can there be some split? Are we somehow constrained under the TAM monies in the MCE EB rebate program that you can only do tier two? Because tier two are going to become obsolete for a community. smaller like ours and has limited parking to someone else's previous astute point that we want to move people along through that that area and they're charging schema so. Could we qualify for a fast charger? Does this vendor even make a fast charger? And where do they come down on that? Um, Okay. I think that's it. I think it's also worth probably, it sounds like you didn't know, But to Councilmember Clevenor's question around pricing and time limits, is that built into the technology? And then I would also ask whether Our department and Weather Intertie have looked at the recent grant program from Department of Transportation. Grant program, S-M-A-R-T, and I think I shared that with you and our grant writer earlier this week, but it has a tremendous amount of money for analytics and interconnectedness around EV charging and transportation. And so we could have some additional monies there because there's a lot network capabilities already baked in software packages that will measure the use cases, the ideal location, and the potential revenue sources. So we don't have to reinvent that wheel. But we shouldn't move forward with this project unless we have that type of software package associated with it. And Intertile will know those guys are great. Okay, I'll stop there for now. Councilmember Hoffman, did I get to something Oh, you're on mute. |
| 00:55:50.44 | Jill Hoffman | Sorry, sorry, my apologies. I just wanted to follow up on a couple of things. So the issue of putting them at City Hall for City Hall vehicles was the thought that we were going to be transitioning to electric vehicles. So it makes sense to have more chargers there than outside and other places of revenue generating Um, parking spots and especially at Dumpy Park that's usually congested and People are going there for a purpose. They're going there for a game. They're going there for a bocce game or to play or to be at the Cruzi Club. They're not there for 20 minutes. you know, to take a parking spot for somebody who would go in there just to charge their car and not stay. It doesn't like the proposition, the value proposition doesn't really make sense. I'm happy to to just move it along and leave it to the discretion of the of the city to Public Works and Kevin to get this going. But I do want to have that in mind. and the changing habits of people who are charging cars and superchargers, my understanding is these guys that's their thing is that they are working on superchargers and that the battery, they have battery, you know, as you mentioned, the patent is the system is that the battery is below the car. There's a, they take a little bit of electricity, principally they generate their own supercharge. And so that's why it's a, It's a cost savings from electric generation to get it up to that charge. And then also the ability to hire, to deliver a fast, you know, supercharged to somebody. So it's very exciting to have these guys part of it. And I'm excited to move forward. The other thing was a cost savings. If we do more chargers in one location, obviously we save the cost of building the infrastructure for those chargers. That was the other reason why moving more over to City Hall as opposed to Dumpy. |
| 00:57:40.57 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 00:57:41.01 | Jill Hoffman | I'd like to just give |
| 00:57:42.04 | Mayor Kelman | going on. |
| 00:57:42.70 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 00:57:42.90 | Unknown | Anyway. |
| 00:57:43.83 | Mayor Kelman | Thanks. Thank you. And sorry, Councilmember Sobieski, I saw you had your hand up there We're in reverse. |
| 00:57:49.92 | Ian Sobieski | Oh, that's okay. My question for Director McGowan is just about since we're talking about locations, different specific ones. I know we had hired our landscape architect previously to look at downtown as a whole and to consider circulation issues and the whole variety of the way downtown might evolve and that that individual submitted this sketch when when SWA became aware that this was an agenda item to suggest that the uh that the ideal or a better location, considering a bunch of design criteria for the entire downtown would be just around the corner from the proposed location. a dozen yards or so on the east side of the Sauciato Center for the Arts. putting the charging stations in the public right of way and allowing for an evolution during that time in the future towards the kind of in and out quick charging that we are talking about. So I'm wondering if it's possible to get from I guess, of course, this drawing, I think, two days old, so the reaction to this being on the agenda Thank you. that popped up on Friday. So is there a way of getting Public Works to assess this location with a sharp pencil to understand whether it would, what the difference in cost would be, and then to assess, you know, given everything else we're talking about in terms of cost savings, whether there'd be any actual net cost to the city if we pursued this location. |
| 00:59:31.25 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you council member. We can definitely pursue a cost estimate for this location. If you'll notice the sketch has the parking going perpendicular to the roadway while the existing condition is that the parking is at an angle. So we'll probably need to install some new curbs and new gutter, replace the sidewalks or costs go up quite a bit. But that doesn't mean we can't return to you with a cost estimate for this location and maybe put this location on a back burner for right now. And then when we come back to you to with the options for the units themselves and how to charge customers, we can actually bring this up as well. |
| 01:00:15.97 | Ian Sobieski | Okay, so you're planning on coming back to us anyway with some future authorization for work. So between now and then, What I'm hearing you say is you can take a sharp pencil to this location so we can understand the Thank you. the fiscal impacts as a whole for this entire project, including this, the possibly tweaked location. you know. |
| 01:00:37.03 | Kevin McGowan | This location? Yes, sure. |
| 01:00:40.68 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:00:40.96 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 01:00:41.03 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Mastrzewski. So, Okay, and then the last question I would just have for you, as the Vice Mayor mentioned, the sustainability committee has been working on this for a long time. I had seen a memo from sustainability member Greg Thompson evaluating the locations based on Um, some well-known, I guess, studies in the field around what drives consumption and usage patterns. I don't know, Kevin, if you've touched base with Greg already on that, but if you haven't, I think that would be his great resource. to have spent three years on voltage charging. who was on the Sustainability Commission who helped them with that memo at that time. Okay, I'm sure we'll have more comments. This is awesome. I know we're all been looking forward to this. Oh yeah, sorry, couldn't see that. Council Member Cleveland Knowles. |
| 01:01:28.99 | Ian Sobieski | Okay, sorry about that, I just wanted to follow up on Council member Sobieski questions because. While Kevin could come back, what I understood is what we're authorizing tonight is construction. And what Kevin is going to come back with to us with is operationalizing the already constructed spots. And is that correct, Director McGowan? |
| 01:01:54.94 | Kevin McGowan | It is, but if you recall, we can pick and choose which things we choose to instruct at this time. What I am hearing is what we should probably consider is not authorizing the stations to be constructed at lot two, but to return to that in the future when we do bring back some, some of the other options for charging the customers. |
| 01:02:19.95 | Ian Sobieski | Okay, I mean, I just want to reiterate what Councilmember Hoffman said, just I'd like to just move this on. We have been sitting on charging stations in Sausalito for years. And I know you've been working hard on it, Director McGowan, but it's, and this is great. I'm just ready to we need to make some progress. We are the only jurisdiction in Marin County that does not have public charge institutions. And it's, you know, So I think if we can find out quickly, whether there's actually any issue with lot two, that would be really helpful. I'm still not really understanding the conflict, Um, And that's been, Lot 2 has been the one that we've had about three public hearings on already, Bye. |
| 01:03:01.36 | Unknown | Bye. |
| 01:03:01.43 | Ian Sobieski | Bye. |
| 01:03:03.73 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 01:03:03.76 | Mayor Kelman | David seconded that. Okay, let's take some public comment and then we'll bring it back up to council. And Kevin, when we bring it up to council, if you could clearly articulate for us the different decisions we need to make or how we might a la carte that if you will, that would be helpful. So why don't we turn it over to public comment and search if you wouldn't mind helping, that'd be great. |
| 01:03:26.86 | Serge Avila | Yes, Madam Mayor, we have David Sudo. David, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video. |
| 01:03:35.05 | David Sudo | Good evening, council. Interesting conversation here. Uh, I'm one of those people that has a car without off-street parking and without charging. Thank you. So I, you know, and I do a fair amount of, you know, research on this. And I think I'm not sure city council has a good grasp on on what's going on. First of all, I guess say we need as much charging as we can get as many places we can get because we have such a dearth of charging in Southern Marin. Um, And the people that are charging stations are going to help are people that live and work in Southern Marin who don't. necessarily have everyday access to a supercharger, aren't going to drive out to Mill Valley to plug in there at the grocery store at Safeway or Whole Foods, but who drive around town, they need to be able to get to the restaurants, they need to be able to do their shopping at Molly Stone's. They don't need a lot of electricity, but they need some. And without that electricity, they can't get an electric car. And today 15% of All cars in California are being purchased right now are EVs. So change is happening fast and we're so far behind the curve that I would not prohibit anybody from putting a charging place anywhere because we need, we just need more. These chargers are going to be need to be used between one and three hours, these level two chargers. Less than an hour is not worth plugging in. |
| 01:05:12.13 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:05:12.14 | Serge Avila | Huh? |
| 01:05:12.40 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:05:12.43 | David Sudo | unless you're desperate for electricity. And the level three charges are going to have to be a private, public, uh, partnership because the cost is 10 times what a level two is. It's at least $40,000 a charger. It's not going to be born by public grants as far as I can tell. You need to find a commercial partner. You know, our our gas stations would be just fine. A couple other places in town would probably be just fine for, that our parking lots need Thank you. level one or level two charges for, you know, for these people live in town and perhaps for commuters who can plug in, take the ferry, plug in all day and then go home with full charge. They wouldn't have to do that every day. It's a couple of times a week. Um, but, I guess that's all I have to say. Thank you. |
| 01:06:02.36 | Chris Zapata | Great. Thanks, Devin. |
| 01:06:03.87 | David Sudo | Thank you. |
| 01:06:03.88 | Serge Avila | Our next speaker is Sandra Bushmaker. Sandra, you've been unmuted. |
| 01:06:12.39 | Councilmember Hoffman | Good evening, everybody. Good to see you all again. I think this is a great idea. You've got some details that sound like they need to be ironed out. And I'm certainly no expert in EV charging. My comment is, I want to express how delighted I am to see InnerTie is the one that the vendor that responded and that it is an industry in our marineship. And I really want to applaud the city council for taking them up. They're good guys. And, and I really would like to invite the public who hasn't seen the documentary on the marine ship, because there's a segment in the documentary. on Intertie and their technology. So you get to see a visual image of how it works. The next showing is gonna be September 28th at Star of the Sea Hall downstairs. And as many people that can attend it would be great. And you will actually see these chargers in action. Thank you. Thank you, Sandra. |
| 01:07:13.61 | Serge Avila | Our next speaker is Eva's iPhone, Eva, you've been unmuted. us to share your video. |
| 01:07:21.36 | Eva | Eva Crisanti here, can you hear me? We can. Yeah, you know, this... unquestioning boosterism for electric charging. No one is talking about how the demand for electric vehicles is fueling a demand for more minerals, some of which is now being mined from the ocean floor. the regular land mining for the minerals needed for these batteries. has been absolutely ruinous in the Republic of Congo. And as you guys speed around in your, Teslas and, you know, your Priuses, very few of you are thinking about the children in the Congo who are doing the mining and what that mining is doing to water supplies and what the deep sea mining will do to our oceans. It's, you know, it's being accepted as an unparalleled good. And it's a little terrifying how many credentialed people aren't asking some really basic questions. I'd point out as someone who's long been a conservationist and, and, because of that has led a pretty modest life. I don't drive a car. I ride a bike. I don't have an electric bike. I ride a regular steel bike. It's an old 1980s Shogun bicycle. but I think that's a good question. You know, to make a push for electric vehicles without asking people to downsize their overall, you know, driving patterns is very foolhardy because all you're doing. is creating another set of polluting industries and extremely exploitative industries. that are ruining groundwater supplies in some of the poorest places. on Earth. Now, you won't see that in Sausalito. You won't have to, Melissa Blaustein won't have to see that you know, champions these technologies. And even David Sudo, someone I respect and like, is not asking these questions, and that's really unfortunate. We it's not you can't just have the same level of consumption and switch over electric. you know, if you're going to do this, you need to, to start looking at decreasing consumption overall. And unfortunately, our system is apparently incapable of getting committing itself to any sort of sacrifice, such as we did in World War II, where we actually rationed our use of, almost everything to win a necessary war. So this is more pie in the sky distraction, but it's really, really going to be ruinous for the environment. We need to cut back, not just find more things to pollute the earthquake. |
| 01:10:21.33 | Chris Zapata | Thank you, Eva. |
| 01:10:23.93 | Serge Avila | Our next speaker is Vicky Nichols. Vicky, you've been unmuted. |
| 01:10:32.30 | Serge Avila | and that's to share your video. |
| 01:10:34.54 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, thank you. Um, First of all, thank you, Council, for your approval of the historical context statement. I wasn't able to thank you. I just want to bring a little history. When Sausalito on a previous sustainability commission and council members When they installed the panels, the solar panels on City Hall, as well as being the first in the county to ban styrofoam. They also discussed putting an electric charger at City Hall At the time, it was eventually decided it was just too cost prohibitive. But now, fortunately, we have these grants that we can draw from. I'm all for this. I don't have really any opinions on where. Um, But I would like to just include that, you know, we're working on the land side improvements. And I wanted just, and it sounds like uh, Mr. McGowan is cognizant of areas around there being suggested for improvements. So I would hope that we could maybe put that on a phase two or something till we get that straight. so that we know any constraints or whatever might be caused by this addition, but I fully support the concept. So thank you for moving two things that have been in the works for over decades along tonight. Appreciate it. |
| 01:12:01.38 | Mayor Kelman | THANK YOU, VICKY. |
| 01:12:01.90 | Vicki Nichols | Bye. |
| 01:12:03.41 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, any other members of the public wish to chime in on the EV charging. |
| 01:12:08.60 | Serge Avila | Madam Mayor says, I see no, their hands raised. |
| 01:12:11.25 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, we're going to close public comment, bring it back up to the council. And before we go to Councilman Hoffman, I'm just going to ask Director McGowan to remind the council what it is, what direction he needs from us tonight. |
| 01:12:23.66 | Kevin McGowan | That can be a complex question, but I'll go with it. |
| 01:12:26.81 | Mayor Kelman | I warned you. |
| 01:12:30.05 | Kevin McGowan | At this point in time, we are seeking |
| 01:12:33.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:33.86 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. Authorization for our city manager to sign an agreement with inner ties, similar to a construction project to purchase the units and to install the conduits. So we do have flexibility in where these units go as well. So the first part is we do need authorization for Chris to move forward with signing the agreement with inner tie. Second, we do need reserve funds in order to authorize this project and move it forward. And then let's see, I'm trying to look at my conditions as well. We also can choose, oh, we need to authorize a contingency for the project as well. So that's usually a construction item. That's in case we encounter something out that we hadn't anticipated. So we're requesting those two items plus an allocation of reserve funds for the project. Now, as far as the actual sites, I would suggest kind of in line with Council Member Hoffman that we at least put in more stations at City Hall. I would suggest at least four right now at City Hall. That would help us with future fleet as well as the public. Would welcome your direction on whether to put at least one charging station at Dunphy Park. I understand that there could be some type of, you know, parking issues there with others taking up too much space. So I welcome your suggestion, but I think if we're going to serve the public, we might want to put at least one there and see how it works. |
| 01:14:13.44 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:14:14.12 | Kevin McGowan | over the next year or so. We can always move the station someplace else, I believe. And then lastly, Council member Sobieski suggested that we take a close look at parking lot two and possibly move the stations closer to I think it's anchor or outside of the actual parking lot. We can do that. I welcome your direction, though. I just don't want to lose too much momentum on this right now. I think it'll take us probably a couple of weeks to put a quick estimate together and we can return to you fairly quickly with that. I would still suggest we put some charging stations in and around lot. So I would approve that section of it and then we could come back and revisit the amount of money available for putting improvements in place if we want to move it outside of parking lot two. How is that, Madam Mayor? |
| 01:15:04.41 | Mayor Kelman | Excellent, excellent. And that's very helpful. So let me suggest this. I'm betting that the discussion of the location will take most of our time. So when you give your comments, if you could indicate your acquiescence or concern, if need be, on the first three things, which is, are you ready to authorize that we purchase the units and install the conduits? Are you ready to authorize that we use the reserve funds? And are you ready to authorize the contingency? And if you could opine on those, in your comments, that would be very helpful. And then if we need to do another round around location, I think we can do that. So we'll start with you, Councilman Hoffman. |
| 01:15:41.21 | Jill Hoffman | I have one clarifying question. Kevin, we're going to authorize the funds, but then we expect to be reimbursed by that later by the grants once they're built, correct? |
| 01:15:50.46 | Kevin McGowan | Yes, that's great. |
| 01:15:51.23 | Jill Hoffman | Okay. Okay, thank you. So with regard to locations, I would suggest that we do, as Kevin suggests, most of the most of them at City Hall for this first round. at least one, perhaps, at Dunphy. I think we should contact Galilee and see if they would also... consider using one of their parking spots for the EV charging station because they use those for residential parking spots. So during the day, I noticed that a lot of spots are empty at Gowley. So they may want to participate in that for their own residents, but also as a revenue generating source for Galley, because you can choose at some point, we can, as Kevin mentioned, we can choose to have not just the, to have the charging fee that they charge to charge a car that is a revenue source. So we might wanna think about that as well, or that maybe, something that Galilee would be interested in. I have not talked to them about it, but I think that might be an interesting aspect of how to deal with the, we want to leave as many spaces open during the day at Dunphy's as we possibly can and partnering with them. As someone who has, I share one car, one electric car with my husband, and we do have an electric bike, but that's because I'm an old lady and I got to get up the hill. So we have one car and one car and one electric bike And for us it works. I will say that we do have one EV charging station already in Sausalito and that's down by Bank of America. And that's one of the inner tie charging stations. So if you want to check that out, you might wanna go down there. So I'm ready to authorize I've given my ideas on locations. And what did you need something else? And to authorize the use from the reserve, understanding that that's money is going to come back to us and come back to the reserve once we're done with the project. And then to leave the lot two as, You know, as something we need to work out, there's more issues we need to work out with a lot too, but I'm ready to go forward as Kevin suggests and within their discretion as public works to get this moving and to resolve whatever issues they have to resolve without having to come back to city council for further direction or for further road, so. All right. Thank you, Councillor Hoffman. Councillor Sobieski. |
| 01:18:06.37 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 01:18:07.79 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, just going down the list, you asked for mayor. So yes, I agree with the inter tie agreement, the use of reserve funds as the, as my colleague council member Hoffman said, that would be repaid from the grant and the contingency. In terms of the locations, I thought it's a very clever idea to consider Galilee Harbor as a partnership location, if they found it to be a win-win outcome where they would be interested in their rev share on that income, then it would actually, if that location was at the galley, it would be. essentially at Dumpy Park without taking away a parking spot from Dumpy Park and would be closer to the public right of way. generally just looks like it would flow better. In terms of the downtown lot, I would love to take Kevin up on his offer and would ask my colleagues direct him to do so to come back with the quick estimate with the emphasis on quick within a few weeks to discern where the location should be, whether it's in the lot itself or just around the corner on Humboldt. that we hired a, what probably it's in the lot itself or just around the corner on Humboldt. That we hired a, probably the main reason, one of the main motivations for my volunteering for service was hating the situation we have in government where the, the, the, the, the Thank you. the the city will repave the street and then the sewer district tears it up. It's nice to coordinate these things. So we, Council, in our wisdom, authorized our local in the Mirren Ship landscape architect to work with the city to develop some ideas for how downtown might evolve over the next decade or two. And so one of the design criteria of that effort, which is just a year old, is to figure out what possible versions of downtown would exist, look like, and EV charging is part of that story. So this popped up on the agenda in very short order, and we didn't really get a full design rationale for the locations. It's based upon a previous effort that predated this more recent city council effort. So it would be good to integrate those two things and to shouldn't take long but as I mentioned this I got on the agenda on Friday So it feels like it's worth another pass for all of our benefits so that we make the wisest choice we can. without delaying it. I don't know. in any kind of substantial way. So I hope we can do that. |
| 01:20:42.92 | Chris Zapata | Thank you, Councillor Sobieski. Councillor Clivenos. |
| 01:20:46.35 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, thank you, Mayor. I'm in favor of all three of the items that Kevin mentioned that he needs authorization for tonight. On location, I would like to delegate as much of this to staff as possible. I, you know, GALILEE HARBOR ISSUE, IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE ON GALILEE HARBOR'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND THEY ARE NOT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE AT THIS POINT. And I believe that the grant money needs to be for publicly accessible parking spaces. So they need to agree to, I mean, it would just be a negotiation. So that's a great idea. Again, um, I don't have a problem with the one charging station at Dunphy. I think there's a lot of people there I've seen who have electric cars and I think it would be a good use. in favor of the four at City Hall, one at Dunphy, and then something in the lap two area. I just, if we can't, get the estimate, I mean, to Ian's point, we've already repaved and conduited a lot too. Like that was a project and we already, did go through a substantial... process to make this possible in exactly that location. a lot of money and a significant amount of time. So if we can find another equally cost-effective location near that conduit, great. I am all for that. Um, within a reasonable time period. I would be happy to delegate this to our capable staff and have them make these decisions balancing what they know about upcoming projects, public need, taking into account the sustainability commission's memo, and other other items. I don't personally |
| 01:22:38.73 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 01:22:39.31 | Ian Sobieski | need to come back. |
| 01:22:39.97 | Mayor Kelman | for this discussion. Thank you, Council Member Clevenos, and thank you for your work on TAM, which I'm sure helped pave the way for some of this funding as well. Vice-Pair. |
| 01:22:51.51 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, I absolutely agree with all the other council members on authorizing the funding and moving ahead with the contract with Intertie so that we can get this going. Thank you. This has been a really long process. The Sustainability Commission has been working on this for as long as I've been involved with it. And we actually were referred to by MCE at one of our meetings as a quote, charging desert, which is quite embarrassing. So we're working on fixing it. And I agree also with the location and the putting the four charters at City Hall. I think that makes sense. And I appreciate the idea of Galilee Harbor, if they're open to that and we can still get grant funding. That's great. And just doing one charging at Dunphy Park and seeing how it goes is great. I just want to see as many chargers as possible in town as soon as possible so we can start moving forward our our sustainability infrastructure because there are even more grants available as Mayor Kellman alluded to. Thank you for always being on the lookout for any and all sustainability and environmental friendly grants. You are always sending them our way. So I'm just really excited to see this on the agenda. Um, Whatever will move it forward faster with regards to lot one, lot two. I'm happy to be open to whatever the working group considers will work best there if they want to go back and bring recommendations or if staff want it. Again, whatever will move this forward and get us the charging sites speeding ahead. |
| 01:24:12.41 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. Awesome. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Thanks for your work on sustainability, helping move this forward as well. Okay, I'll speed it along to say of the three things, the authorizations and the purchase saying yes, go full speed ahead. I'm comfortable delegating the locations to to staff. I will just say they're It's a lot of good research on how to drive consumer behavior based on where you put your chargers. But I don't want to slow this down because I think this is just the beginning for us. And so I hope that we don't stop at having just seven chargers in town. So to that end, I don't want to. you know, create a lot of bureaucracy. One thing though, Kevin, that I didn't see in your presentation And councilman Hoffman alluded to it is what is the pricing structure? Is this gonna be $3? Is it gonna be $4? Is it gonna be competitive? in Marin city. And that's the first question. And the second question is, We're sort of assuming there's some kind of a rev share model here. Is there a revsure model and what does that look like? And have you modeled that out? |
| 01:25:20.58 | Kevin McGowan | So I apologize. I don't have answers to those questions at this point in time. That's why I'm suggesting bringing that specific, those specific issues back to the council so I can provide you more info information and options. of how the city wants to move forward with charging customers. |
| 01:25:36.53 | Mayor Kelman | OK, I think we should see that again. I definitely think that should come back. And that's an opportunity for us. OK, so with that. Do you need us to move forward with the rest? So I see two hands back up. So should we go back to the vice mayor and then Councilman Sobieski? which is still- |
| 01:25:51.75 | Ian Sobieski | still I was just going to say I agree with you, Mayor, on that. Wanting to see it back on the business model part of the whole arrangement. |
| 01:26:00.03 | Mayor Kelman | Okay. Yeah, because my understanding from having spoken to Intertai about this is that we will then set, we'll actually set the price, but there are some other chargers in town and we should be competitive with those as well as competitive with the level twos that are sitting in Marin City and we should be aware of them. |
| 01:26:15.71 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, I'm sorry, just to clarify, I didn't mean to suggest that I didn't want to have that discussion at a policy level. And then to suggest I did not need to make the geographic location decisions again at the Council. |
| 01:26:28.30 | Mayor Kelman | Perfect. Yeah. Cause it is a great opportunity, right? For us. Like we can set it at a higher rate than our current costs to offset the O and M costs. And that should definitely be, bundled into this. So Kevin, let's make a note. We would like to see that again. And I know Xander and Richard from Intertie could come back with that model for us so we could see the options. City manager, yes. |
| 01:26:55.30 | Chris Zapata | Thank you, Mayor, Council. So, you know, I just wanna make sure that I understand and it's clear to me, city hall is the primary focus. work with Dunphy and potentially Galilee, and then bring back to you information on whether or not what the revenue model looks like, but also what lot two would end up being, whether it's, you know, the suggestion provided by the Council member Sobieski or some other alternative, but we'll not finalize that until we do some research into that. And we would bring that back in my mind at the same time as we brought back information on what inner ties uh, whatever new thoughts are in terms of that share. And my preliminary conversation with them, uh, with Kevin present was that that's something that they would consider. Uh, we didn't get into any specifics about it, but, but that was definitely something that they brought to us to say that potential was there. So we need to fine tune that, bring that back and then bring back the lot to conversation to you as well. |
| 01:27:51.31 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, thank you city manager. Yeah, I can confirm that. They told me the same thing that we'll set the price and we can monetize the charging. So I'm sure they'll work with us being local here. All right, well, there is a resolution. that we do have to pass here to somebody |
| 01:28:06.46 | Ian Sobieski | So city manager, if that, if we'll get that back within a few weeks, that's the expectation. So this isn't going to drag out. |
| 01:28:16.18 | Unknown | That's a good question, did I? |
| 01:28:16.23 | Chris Zapata | That's a good question, right? Yeah, I'll deflect that to Director McGowan. |
| 01:28:20.94 | Kevin McGowan | I'm hoping to bring that back to you either in the next meeting or probably the one after that. So you know, you've got to give us a little time to put it together. Within the next two meetings, I'm anticipating bringing all this information back to you. Okay, great. Thank you. |
| 01:28:36.04 | Mayor Kelman | Okay. And the vice mayor and I will endeavor facilitate that because I think we are in unanimous agreement to move this forward. Okay, so do I have a motion on the resolution? |
| 01:28:48.09 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:28:48.11 | Mayor Kelman | I'm going to go. |
| 01:28:48.14 | Ian Sobieski | I think the resolution is putting into motion form what the city manager said. |
| 01:28:56.77 | Mayor Kelman | Well, we have a resolution that's attached to the agenda And I think it captures what we just discussed. |
| 01:29:02.89 | Ian Sobieski | or I apologize, I don't have that right in front of me. Is there a way of putting it on the screen? Is that because I didn't know if we were approving specific locations or if the resolution is wrong? |
| 01:29:12.01 | Mayor Kelman | So it merely says that we identified three viable sites, parking lot two, City Hall and Dunphy Park. that are conducive. I don't believe... it says who will decide on the final location, but just that those are the sites and it's quite broad. |
| 01:29:29.27 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:29:29.62 | Mayor Kelman | I'll move the resolution. I see the vice president put her hand up. I want to make sure I recognize that. |
| 01:29:36.03 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | I was just going to read it if you needed me to because I have it in |
| 01:29:38.18 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah. It just... It seems like after this discussion, we modified the resolution somewhat to give a little more latitude to the staff to pick them on locations and whatnot and to come back to us. So that didn't seem captured in the resolution is all. So I wanted to be clear that to my mind, what the city manager just said is what we're approving. Thank you. might be a little different than The resolution, I don't know. So. That's right. question. to somebody. |
| 01:30:07.62 | Mayor Kelman | Yes, I believe the resolution captures the conversation that we just had. It does not direct city staff to come back to us with the final location or the revenue model. that's not captured, I don't think, anywhere in that resolution. So that is a separate direction that does not require resolution. |
| 01:30:23.91 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:30:23.94 | Ian Sobieski | Okay. Thank you. |
| 01:30:25.66 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, so we do have a pending motion. Council member of Cleveland knows we have a second. Second. Okay. Surgery, please call the roll. |
| 01:30:32.77 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 01:30:33.61 | Serge Avila | Councilmember Sobieski. Yes. Councilmember Cleveland also. |
| 01:30:37.22 | Chris Zapata | Yes. |
| 01:30:37.91 | Serge Avila | Council Member Hoffman, |
| 01:30:39.28 | Chris Zapata | Yes. |
| 01:30:39.89 | Serge Avila | by Vice Mayor Blaustein. |
| 01:30:42.05 | Mayor Kelman | YES. |
| 01:30:42.79 | Serge Avila | And Mary Kelman. Thank you. |
| 01:30:43.79 | Mayor Kelman | Yes. |
| 01:30:44.12 | Serge Avila | Thank you. Motion passes. |
| 01:30:46.03 | Mayor Kelman | Great. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. This is a really wonderful community effort. Super excited for this. Okay, moving on then to item 5C, which is the discussion and direction on Rule 20B and the electrical undergrounding program generally. So we'll start off with the city manager here. |
| 01:31:04.24 | Chris Zapata | Thank you, Mayor, members of the council, members of the public. I want to speak in broad strokes about 20 B, which is related to PG and E and you know, the electricity and services that are provided with our franchise agreement. Cities have a franchise agreement which would create relationships with providers like PG&E and Sausalito is no different. We have that in place and have had that in place. And sometimes the provider has a need to upgrade for system needs or other purposes. And so we have constant communication with them about with our staff, with the council subcommittee, and as recently as August the 30th, when we met with them to talk about what it is that they're trying to do in our city that they are eager to get going. That's the summation of that conversation is in the item 3D on this agenda. which kind of gives you the backdrop. But what we want to have today is a broader discussion on undergrounding and 20 B and different programs so that you know, there is some direction provided in a sense of how we do it right in Sausalito. There are a lot of things that I heard at the last meeting that involved, you know, us working with PG&E to understand the process of using their funds |
| 01:32:32.89 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:32.92 | Chris Zapata | the different types of funds that are in the 20B, 20A, 20C, the whole alphabet soup of that program. |
| 01:32:32.97 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 01:32:39.41 | Chris Zapata | and also for our team to begin building in a way that provides some resources and some options for the city council to consider on a broader basis going forward, if there is a larger undergrounding effort that the city and the community could contemplate And so one of the things that I wanted to apprise the community of and the Council of the Council's aware, you approved a contract with NHA financial advisors. And last month I directed them to look at strategies financial strategies for undergrounding of utilities and to bring those to us so that as you start to look at what it might take from PG&E's funds, from local funds. community participation, how to do this right. Thank you. I think that's the intent of this conversation at the last meeting. My recollection is, is it council member Sobieski and council member Cleveland? Those who are part of the subcommittee on this, you know, wanted constant updates on this and requested that this be put on. We talked to the agenda setting committee so that there would be, in fact, the ability to have a conversation about this without you know, limit on undergrounding in 20B. And so that's why it's agendized the way it is. Before I conclude, I wanna, really thank the committee members who've done the work and know that I owe the city council and the community a letter to PG&E based on the August 30th meeting about what they plan to do, when they plan to do it, And some of the commitments they made in the last meeting about the timing of the improvements they plan to make in our community. So I heard them say that the timing was really important because they needed to get things done because the system was aging and there was concerns about safety. But at the same time, we also heard them say that they could delay it until we got more information. And so I will get that communication together with the help of Director McGowan. and get it to them. So as we've been working on this, again, the committee has done some work certainly our staff has and so kevin has some information to provide to you. And it's a brief little presentation. Mayor Kellman, who has done a lot of work as well to start to dig into this. And the one thing I will tell you is Sashvilo has dug into this before. And a lot of times over time that gets lost. And so we're trying to figure out, you know, exactly what policies and programs and procedures that the city council undertook to explore this in terms of undergrounding of utilities in our community. And so we're in the process of doing that. But that's an ongoing process and a new process as some of that was done in the 90s. And done in the last few years. So Kevin, you wanna go forward with your presentation? That's right. |
| 01:35:39.03 | Kevin McGowan | Sounds great, Chris. I appreciate that. Here's a quick little... As I usually go with slideshows here, I think Chris covered many of the things that I wanted to cover. And let's go. There we go. So again, we're here this evening, or some of the ideas that Chris brought up. And I don't have a script this evening, so my apologies if I can have a hiccup here. But we wanted to kind of run through some of the franchise issues, some of the things we've done with the community, and some of the other things that we're working off as far as the last meeting that we had with PG&E. Now, PG&E does have a franchise agreement with the city of Sausalito, as they do with most jurisdictions altogether. What that enables them to do is to put their facilities in the public right-of-way and maintain them. So their facilities are regulated by the CPUC, California Public Utilities Commission. They aren't regulated by us here in Sausalito. Okay, that also includes they have the ability to upgrade their systems for their customers. Yeah. The city has some approval for some of their work and it generally relates to working in the road right of way, the safety aspects of their contractor. So we have to issue encroachment permits for their work to do the work in the right of way. That doesn't mean that we can limit the work on their own system. was. So as you know, in our last meeting in August, we had PG&E visit us about a project to upgrade their 4KV system to a 12KV system here in town. They postponed their work according to the last meeting. to January of 2023. Um, Our city manager myself are working on a letter back to PG&E so that we solidify our understanding of what they're proposing. We've also done a lot of work with our community members as well. The subcommittee met in January 2022 with PG&E as well as city staff. And we talked about a lot of different things, including a PSPS piece of equipment, which is public safety power shut off program. I'm sorry I can't always remember those acronyms. And that was installed on I believe it was 4th Street here in Sausalito and is kind of a visual issue for us in town. In addition, I mentioned the meeting with PG&E on the 30th and they provided us an update on their grade of their system. um So I just talked about this a little bit, so I'm sorry if my slides are a little redundant, but PG&E is anticipating upgrading their system from a 4kV to a 12kV in order to meet the needs of the users here in Sausalito. I'm still waiting on a map from PG&E so that I can determine which systems are undergrounded already. and which systems are not. that will help us to make an application to PG&E to start analyzing AND DEVELOPING A COST FOR UNDERGROUNDING THE SYSTEMS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THEIR 12KV SYSTEM. There are different financial methods and Chris mentioned an advisor that can be helping us. I think I covered this in our August 30th meeting as well of potential funding sources can be an assessment district, a ballot measure. 20D or even other sources. All right. Now I'll need a little bit of help from Mayor Kellman on this. I know you've done a lot of effort on Rule 20B. And we've had some conversations this week as well. It's my understanding from PG&E that Saussele's Rule 20A allocation can be used for the preliminary estimates associated with undergrounding the 12KB system. We will confirm this in a letter back to PG&E and make sure that we move forward with that as much as possible. For a Rule 20B project, there is a process, and it has to do with The simple explanation is it works like an assessment district. You draw a line around the outside of the properties to be undergrounded and assessments go against those properties specifically. There can be different names of these which have been used in Sausalito where the city participates in the cost associated with some of the work in the roadway, as well as doing some work on private property as well. So there are different mechanisms that have been used in the past. So with that, I think I'm going to turn it back over to the mayor and ask for some help. Um, Feel free and I will stop sharing my screen at this point. |
| 01:40:49.52 | Mayor Kelman | Great. Thank you, Kevin. And forewarning city manager when I'm done, I'm gonna ask about whether you've made contact with the city of Ross. So Chris and Director McGowan and I met with a community member from Ross who was heading up the Rule 20B undergrounding. And so what I want to share with you is what she shared with me and then Austin City Attorney to share a deck that they have a slide deck that she put together that they share with their neighbors to get buy in. So as Kevin just mentioned. It's our understanding that we need to confirm that we can access Rule 20A monies for some engineering. This is important because the city of Sausalito's Rule 20A coffer is at about $2 million. That's not an insignificant amount of money. We don't want to waste that. So a rule 20B is an undergrounding district or an assessment district, as Kevin just mentioned. And so there's sort of two phases. The first phase is to have a town policy that outlines the process. And that town policy normally says the size of an assessment district is X, minimum of X, maximum of Y. And it says that if you include those homes in your assessment district, then you have to have Z percentage buy in. I think in Belvedere and Tiburon, it's something like 70 or 80 percent have to buy in. And pardon me, it's like 60 percent have to buy in. In Ross, it's something like 65 percent have to buy in. That's within our discretion to determine what that overall percentage of buy-in is. So once you have that policy, and it sounds like we may have had one in 1994, So we do have something older that's been alluded to in coordination with a request from the folks up in Wolfpack Ridge to do an undergrounding project. And so the city manager and Director McGowan are looking at that. So it may be a process of updating this 1994 policy. But that's step one. And that, again, outlines what a district looks like and how many folks in that district need to vote for it. Once you have that, then you construct a preliminary estimate of the cost. The one requirement is that it has to be by neighborhood and they have to be contiguous homes. And this preliminary estimate of cost is in the around $10,000 range to determine what it might look like in a neighborhood. That was told to us by the folks at Ross. You know, I think they had something like 100 homes. Certainly if it was larger, the number could be larger. We think we could probably use that Rule 20A money to against that 10,000 or estimate of engineering costs for preliminary assessment. Once we have that then I believe it comes back to the council and our city attorney will have to develop that process. And we have to decide which underground and district we might want to go forward with. Then in phase two, there are actually some very high engineering costs. In Ross, I think it was like around $350,000. In that particular example we had, they were able to raise that money from folks in the neighborhood. In Tiburon, they did a pro rata share in terms of how people were to contribute to that. And that has to account for the engineering bond council because you need a bond attorney. city time and the engineering report. The engineering report is about 80% of that $350,000 number. Now here's sort of the tricky part. Then PG&E is expected to come on site and do an initial review and use that $10,000 engineering report. And so we'll certainly have to work very diligently with Mark Van Gorder and his staff and Dustin to make sure they come back. then again, comes back to City Council for a vote. So if I'm just repeating myself, for us, our action items, we were going to get a copy of the Ross Town policy. So our city manager was going to talk to their city manager. The city manager with director McGowan was going to call the Ross city manager and engineer. Then I made the suggestion that the subcommittee give a call to a gentleman named Scott Ferguson, He apparently was in conversation with our last city attorney to come on board as an attorney to work on the Wolfpack Ridge project. And he handled the undergrounding districts in Belvedere and in Tiburon. So we can leverage that knowledge. And he's he was, I believe, at Jones and Hall. We have to draft the city policy and then figure out if we can use the Rule 20A funds. So that's what we learned. I hope that's helpful. Happy to take questions, but that's what we got. |
| 01:45:25.46 | Mayor Kelman | So I'd be remiss if I didn't mention, we did discuss some of the risks. So the interest rates obviously going up. How do you coordinate with PG&E, make sure they're on board and things like that. Yeah, so Councilmember |
| 01:45:43.58 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, thank you, Mayor, for that. Much appreciated. The process that you describe which isn't that surprising, sounds very lengthy. Did you talk to Ross about the kind of total amount of time to these steps kind of from city council back. Engineering. et cetera. I mean, one of the things I'm wondering, and we can talk about this after questions, is you know, if there is any possibility of getting out in front of PG&E and their upgrade project or whether we're talking about a much longer period of time. Um, So I mean, I think we had all been hoping we would get out front so that we can avoid doing these upgrades twice because that makes no sense and there's a waste of public funds. |
| 01:46:32.87 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 01:46:33.95 | Ian Sobieski | Anyway, did you get a sense of that? Or is that something we need to follow up on? |
| 01:46:39.06 | Mayor Kelman | Yeah, your instinct is right. I believe it is quite a long process. The first part of that went quickly. What's the town policy? What is, you know, can I get the $10,000 engineering costs paid for? But. then getting PG&E out to contribute to the dialogue of what the larger engineering assessment is going to look like. I believe they're spinning their wheels quite a bit. |
| 01:46:59.01 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah. |
| 01:47:00.83 | Mayor Kelman | Ian, did you have, did you, |
| 01:47:02.45 | Ian Sobieski | I haven't answered that question, but I'm happy to stay in order. |
| 01:47:02.98 | Mayor Kelman | You know, |
| 01:47:03.69 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 01:47:08.04 | Chris Zapata | Oh, Yeah. |
| 01:47:08.46 | Ian Sobieski | of us. |
| 01:47:09.39 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. Yeah. Vice Mayor. |
| 01:47:12.01 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, so you had mentioned that you have, that the city attorney has a PowerPoint of what the Ross town used to get neighbor buy-in. Do you know what you also mentioned we need a certain percentage? Do you know what their percentage breakdown was or how well supported it ended up being |
| 01:47:27.95 | Mayor Kelman | Yeah, thank you for that question. Let me clarify. This was actually led by a neighborhood group. who had seen a transformer spark. on a very hot summer day and they became very concerned. So it wasn't actually the city that was doing it, but they were obviously working in tandem with the city. And then they were only doing a specific neighborhood So this is only as to one neighborhood around the Shady Lane area, if you know Ross at all. So it's not by any means a large percentage of the community, but it is They did understand the process. And so that's what I was trying to get out. |
| 01:47:59.66 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Okay, and given that it was that the around 350K cost That particular street is, I mean, the real estate value there is quite high. So I imagine that if the neighbors were fundraising, a little bit more approachable than it might be in some other areas. Um, The other one you mentioned is that Tiburon did a pro rata. Do we have, have we talked to Tiburon too? And could we put that on our list going forward? |
| 01:48:22.22 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 01:48:22.26 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:48:23.00 | Mayor Kelman | I think it's an action item. It's a great action item. And it's one of, I think, the next steps we should pursue. Bye. |
| 01:48:29.70 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Great. |
| 01:48:29.92 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 01:48:29.95 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | I just also thank you for all of your hard work on this. It's a complex issue. It has many steps, but it's critically important for safety. So I really appreciate the time and the update. |
| 01:48:42.02 | Mayor Kelman | Yeah, my pleasure. |
| 01:48:42.57 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Bye. |
| 01:48:42.77 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:48:45.54 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, so to my colleague, Councilmember Cleveland Knowles' question about, ways we can engage with PG&E to create some more time. maybe I could ask Greg Rubens to comment on this. You may recall Mayor that when uh When on fourth street for people who don't know one day there was a notice that PG&E was going to do some work. and people shrugged their shoulders until they came home from work that day and found a new pole with a large transformer on the top on 4th Street. That was a rude surprise to a few of our neighbors. And the question asked of the mayor and I was, hey, the city issued a permit. we issued a permit for them to do work in the right of way. Why couldn't the city have denied that permit? Part of the answer is, as Director McGowan pointed out, we're obliged under a franchise agreement. to cooperate with that work and issue such permits. However, my understanding from our city attorney is we do have latitude on time and place. So at least in that case, on 4th Street, for example, we could have had a city policy of notification to our neighbors that would have slowed down that work at least long enough for people to have digested what was about to happen on their street. and the extent to which we can use that latitude to slow down this process so that we, until we get, satisfied that there's a good faith examination of the public benefit of AND EARNEST INVESTIGATION OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF UNDERGROUNDING AND THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO HELP PG&E WITH THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO. SO MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO ASK HIM TO SPEAK RIGHT NOW ON THIS SUBJECT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM I'd love our city attorney to tell us what latitude we have within our franchise agreement and, and our ability to, and our requirement to issue and correctional permits to create time and place restrictions on, or slow down the process. |
| 01:50:54.86 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 01:50:54.89 | Unknown | So... |
| 01:50:55.68 | Ian Sobieski | you |
| 01:50:59.78 | Unknown | I'm not. Thank you. |
| 01:51:01.03 | Mayor Kelman | Big wreck. |
| 01:51:02.23 | Unknown | I'm ready. |
| 01:51:03.44 | Mayor Kelman | Greg, I'm sorry, you're back. Greg? I'm going to mute Greg. mute. Greg, your audio is not working. |
| 01:51:26.95 | Unknown | Is that a little better? |
| 01:51:28.23 | Mayor Kelman | Much better. Thank you. |
| 01:51:30.80 | Unknown | it. You know, it's sitting on my laptop and I think it was picking up the fan. |
| 01:51:37.57 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 01:51:37.60 | Chris Zapata | No problem. |
| 01:51:37.97 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 01:51:38.71 | Unknown | from the laptop and we respond to the general framework of what regulatory authority the city has if the council would like me. to. So, As mentioned earlier, PG&E has a franchise in Sausalito. like it has in every city as a result of law from 1937. that every city after that law was passed entered into a franchise. with PG&E that's perpetual. By statute, it cannot be revoked. It does not have an expiration date. So, The CPUC has authority over the regulation of public utilities like PG&E. but the city still owns its rights of way. and there is the ability to develop a statutory scheme locally to regulate time, place and manner use of our rights of way. We have to be careful that it's not infringing on the franchise grant. But. the in my experience, that. It's, the code and reasonable restrictions on the entry into the right of way are legal and can be imposed. Sausalito's Encroachment ordinance is not very detailed, but it does provide for the council to adopt a resolution to create, um, um, standard conditions of approval for encroachments in the right of way. And that kind of treatment could include as Council Member Sobieski said some, time for notification. but, In every case, we would have to have exceptions for emergency repairs or storm damage and things like that nature. Like sometimes an emergency pole, a pole fails and they have to install a new pole, for example. because the and they haven't been able to |
| 01:53:43.77 | Unknown | or So sometimes we have to have, if Gini proposes to replace the poll, I mean, we have some authority to. through the encryption permit process to say, well, can't be there. It has to be over here. because that's still in our right of place. and the city still owns the right of way. So, um, I think there's a way to develop a a more robust ordinance than we currently have, but that would take, you know, some work with Public Works and and what kind of tailor it to Sausalito's needs. |
| 01:54:19.40 | Mayor Kelman | You may offer a follow up to that. This gentleman, Scott Ferguson, comes extremely well recommended. Again, he's with Johnson Hall. I think it'd be interesting if maybe the subcommittee took a look at his profile and then perhaps I had just an exploratory conversation. with him and our city attorney on some of these very specific assessment district PG&E questions. He may he may have seen other things that communities were able to do to to move some of this along. So I just want to make sure you guys have that info. Ian, back to. |
| 01:54:50.95 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, I mean, just making reaction to what you just said. I think we had pressed to put this on the agenda again AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET A SENSE OF MY COLLEAGUES ON A QUESTION. WHICH IS I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A TRADITION OF DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH THESE WORKING GROUPS WHERE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOLUNTEER to take a deeper dive on the subject matter. And that can work. But this is, to my mind, a bit of a crisis. definition of crisis is a problem that has a deadline attached to it and PG&E we are afraid. is going to launch into this 4 KV to 12 KV. upgrade in January, which is just a few months away. And once the tractors are rolling, once the poles are being cut down and replaced and wires being replaced, that's all sunk costs and every dollar spent on the new system is an argument against spending more money on undergrounding the system that was just replaced. So we have an urgency matter here and there's no substitute for paid staff to tackle a problem that is technically complex and needs attention. So I am riffing here, but... I, I, this is a substantial issue and I'm wondering if, uh, we should authorize city staff in some way to have the resources to attack it. and also consider how we are going to keep this on our front burner. at least for the next couple of months. It's not forever, but for the next, few months, keep it on the front burner. both so that we as a council can keep on top of it, but also that the information will percolate out to the community. I still bet 95% of Saucelita residents don't understand that half the power and half the electrical grid is going to get taken down with all the attendant construction. issues and then replaced. And the more this is on the agenda, the more it will be known. So those are my two questions for my colleagues really. which is... aside from the working group, whether we're going to authorize real horsepower from city staff and whether we can kind of keep this in some regular way on our business agenda for the next few months so that we get So the urgency is there. |
| 01:57:14.43 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, thank you, Councillor Zabeski. Much appreciated. We'll bring that back. We haven't taken public comment on this yet. So why don't we hold off on having that conversation? We're still in the questions for staff or about the presentation mode. So, Councilman Hoffman. |
| 01:57:29.49 | Jill Hoffman | Thanks. So I think... you know, generally I'm in favor of this, as moving forward with this subject, and exploring undergrounding. I think with regard to Greg's, our city attorney's, comments about ordinance and admitting our ordinance. I think that might be the focus for short term staff. But what I wanted to add to that and what I want to, you know, our city attorney to think about maybe is we put conditions on right of way or permits that we also include issues relating to high fire areas and evacuation routes. So perhaps those permits, and I think those are some of the, those are the main PG&E permits that we're talking about for this next phase in January. that we add those as additional conditions on a permit that you have to address how you're, how whatever it is you're doing, whoever's doing it is going to affect and not add to high fire risk in those designated high fire risk areas, which most of our town is, and also those routes along evacuation routes. that may be a way to withstand scrutiny about adding language to our ordinance, but I wanted to throw that out before we had public comment. So thank you. |
| 01:58:50.01 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 01:58:50.02 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 01:58:51.51 | Chris Zapata | Bye. |
| 01:58:51.66 | Mayor Kelman | you |
| 01:58:51.74 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 01:58:51.85 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you for that. Yeah, this is going to be a long. uh, process and we have to dive right in. So let's, let's say some public comment. We'll come back in agree on some direction for staff. surge. Is any member of the public here to talk with us about this? |
| 01:59:08.65 | Serge Avila | Madam Mayor, I see no hands raised for this item. |
| 01:59:11.88 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, so public comment is gonna be closed now on the undergrounding topic. Um, I, uh, Let's start with Councilmember Sobieski's main question, which is really And it's probably for you, city manager, where does this rate in the priorities and availability of staff to move this forward. And then I think my question also for the subcommittee how involved would you want to be? Do you want to get on with Scott Ferguson and hear from? him directly and help inform that conversation? Do you want to delegate at all? to staff. So Susan, what are your thoughts? |
| 01:59:46.15 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, thank you, Mayor, and then we can hear from the city manager, but I think what Councilmember Sobieski was suggesting is something that we talked about the last time we had this conversation, which is that we hire some real guns to work on this, not I mean, people who can dedicate their time and know their way around PG&E, around the regulations, and that can actually make a meaningful impact very quickly. I know that Ian and I are willing to continue to work on this. Um, you know, for sure, but the, PG&E bureaucracy and roles, as you know, having worked for them for sometime are vast, right? We are not gonna become experts. |
| 02:00:28.91 | Unknown | Right? |
| 02:00:32.96 | Ian Sobieski | immediately, nor do you necessarily want to? But anyway, so I would be in favor of seeing what we can use some of, our existing funds to you know, to hire some folks to work with are director of public works and city manager on the quickest paths forward. And I, certainly willing to meet with the attorney that you talked about and see if that person is a potential member of a that we would need. But I mean, I just given the, the, Um... just the short amount of time and the complexity of this issue and the very large amount of money at stake. I, see it as something possibly to be outsourced. You know, if we don't wanna do that, then we will do our best. You know, and honestly, I might, you might think about putting yourself back on the subcommittee All. No, seriously, I mean, you know, you do have Um, expertise in this area. I mean, I can certainly get up to speed. Ian is already up to speed. um, But I'm just offering that, that's not a point of I'd be happy to step aside if that's the most efficient thing to do if we're not going to dedicate some kind of resources to make sure we do this quickly and effectively. and get all the options on the table so that we can move forward. with our best foot forward. |
| 02:02:12.76 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you for that. Happy to do it either way. And I think, like you said, a lot of it's going to depend on Um, who were able to bring to the table. So I do like that idea. Let's hear from Councilman Hoffman and then City manager will will ask you what you think of that. |
| 02:02:30.24 | Unknown | that. |
| 02:02:30.43 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:02:32.30 | Jill Hoffman | You're muted. |
| 02:02:32.86 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:02:33.33 | Jill Hoffman | Sorry. Yeah, I think the first step is definitely talk, at least do one consultation with obviously the attorney that you had talked to, right? And some other resources and bringing those in and other strategies that have worked. I mean, it's great that you talked to Ross, so thank you so much for doing that. And just pulling together, short and long-term goals. I think if we want to you know, do any kind of conditions on issuing the permits, we have to do that. That's kind of a top priority because we've got that that's a process of amending our ordinance, we'd have to get it on the City Council, you know, agenda for. first and second reading. And so that's just a process. Um, And, you know, and I would tie it, like I said, talk to the attorney, but I would tie it to high fire areas and evacuation routes and safety issues. And then, you know. I'm not, anyway, we can listen to our, City Manager about staff, but my suspicion is that staff would simply start from zero and not be up to speed to where you guys are at this point. So you and the working group, the three of you are way ahead of where I think staff is going to be if we if we try to assign this to staff. So It would be you know, talk to the attorney, see if there's somebody else we need to hire. set set some kind of budget for it. And, you know, this is how much money we're going to at this phase. We absolutely need to use those funds that are already in our account. And I 100% agree on that. So those are that's my input. And thank you for all your hard work to all the working group and to you there. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Hoffman. |
| 02:04:18.04 | Chris Zapata | Vice Mayor, your thoughts? |
| 02:04:19.54 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Yeah, again, this is a really complex issue and I really appreciate the working groups efforts here and your work, Mayor, on reaching out, getting a process and understanding it. I think Council Member Hoffman made a lot of good points about next steps, so I won't duplicate any of those except to say that I agree with. reaching out to that attorney and then If there is a a specific consultant we might use around utility efficiency or otherwise, just to consider how to best approach this, because it would take a long time for staff to get up to speed. Perhaps we can find a grant for that since you are an expert at finding grants. And I know that there are many around this type of thing. So that would be another thing that I would look into, but that's all I would add to the comments already made by the other council members, which I think were sped on. |
| 02:05:01.17 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 02:05:01.78 | Mayor Kelman | you And thank you for that. You did find the PG&E Resilience Hub grants that I give you that shout out. All right, city manager, thoughts on this? |
| 02:05:13.54 | Chris Zapata | Yeah, thank you, mayor and council. Just to be clear, the PG funds are used for, and you mentioned $2 million is what we had. they won't be used for a consultant that we would wanna hire. So I will get together with the city attorney and the public works director and figure out what the scope and cost of bringing someone on board at speed would be and come back to you at the next meeting if that's okay with you all. |
| 02:05:41.30 | Mayor Kelman | Yep, that makes sense. Thank you, Chris. Yeah, I think Jill, you outlined it, but just for everybody's sake, I think the priorities here are consulting with that attorney, figuring out how you use the Rule 20A funds bringing in amended ordinance if we decide we want to go that path. and then updating the city's assessment district policy. those feel like it. And Susan, thank you I'm happy to step back on if we could wait until November. I've just had some work things that's going to keep me a little busy, but I'm happy to transition maybe end of October, November back on. where you're going to be having more fun than us at that point anyway. So. Sounds fine. I'm perfectly willing to stay on until then. Okay, thank you for that. Okay, so it sounds like we have a game plan here. The only thing that I don't know, where you guys wanna handle talking, doing a quick attorney consult. If you want to do that in parallel to the city manager working with Department of Public or if you want to wait till he comes back with a plan. |
| 02:06:49.09 | Ian Sobieski | I'm sorry, I had a technical snappy and dropped off for about two minutes and just signed back in with my phone. Oh, no. |
| 02:06:56.06 | Mayor Kelman | So, Ian, Chris is going to come back to the council next meeting or the meeting after with a game plan around hiring a consultant. We can't use the Rule 20A monies for that. So we really need to have a sense of how much that might cost and what the duration might look like. |
| 02:07:10.92 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, thank you for that update. I'm just wondering what my colleagues think about leaving this as either a business item or at least a consent item. Yeah, consent item on every agenda for the next three months so that we get regular reports every two weeks, given the timely, well, crisis nature. of, coming up with a game plan if we're going to pursue it. |
| 02:07:31.68 | Mayor Kelman | I have no problem with that. And perhaps it makes sense, as you just mentioned, council member to put it on consent. And then if we have updates, we pulled off consent and talk about it. |
| 02:07:42.12 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah, and just with the expectation the consent item would actually be a new report. Just are there any updates in the past two weeks? If the report is empty, then I guess the answer is no, but that would tell us we didn't do anything for two weeks on this subject and the clock is ticking |
| 02:07:58.56 | Mayor Kelman | with. But our next update then, the expectation is that city manager is going to come forward kind of a scope of work, if you will. And then I think one of the outstanding questions that is still pending is whether or not subcommittee would like to have a quick consult with that attorney in parallel or do you wanna wait for the city manager to come back? |
| 02:08:17.77 | Ian Sobieski | We can take that offline, but I'm sure that Ian and I can at least get that done. |
| 02:08:21.63 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 02:08:21.97 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:08:21.98 | Mayor Kelman | Awesome. And Councillor Hoffman, did you want to add to that? |
| 02:08:26.62 | Ian Sobieski | And then what about the issue of modifying our ordinances to give us more latitude? to the extent legally possible, is that in the workflow? |
| 02:08:35.47 | Mayor Kelman | Yes, so I highlighted four priorities. They are talking to the attorney, sorry. Yes. |
| 02:08:41.51 | Ian Sobieski | Yes. |
| 02:08:41.93 | Unknown | Thank you. They're trying to do the |
| 02:08:43.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:08:44.31 | Mayor Kelman | They are confirming what those funds can be used for, and then understanding whether or not we want to amend our ordinance, and then updating the city's assessment district policy. |
| 02:08:54.43 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:08:55.58 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. This was a great discussion and very helpful to everyone's perspective here. Anything else to add on this before we move on? |
| 02:09:02.82 | Chris Zapata | The fifth thing there is the scope of work and who might be out there to do the work. That's five in my mind, but actually could be one. |
| 02:09:02.90 | Mayor Kelman | Yeah. |
| 02:09:08.26 | Mayor Kelman | that |
| 02:09:14.08 | Mayor Kelman | Right. Ah, you know, let me look at some of my former colleagues who might be useful for this. |
| 02:09:20.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:09:22.19 | Mayor Kelman | Okay. All right, well, thank you everybody for that very great participation there. We're going to move on to item six now. which is communication, this is the time, on the agenda for members of the public to provide any public comment for items that are not on the agenda. Except in limited situations, state law precludes the council from taking action in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the council may briefly respond to statements made or questions posed by a member of the public. Ask clarifying questions, make a brief announcement, or refer members not on the agenda to City staff or direct that the subject be agendized for a future meeting. And I'm just going to emphasize and ask again, please keep your comments respectful and focused. We do want to listen to any individual who requests to speak. And each speaker has a responsibility to act in a civil and courteous manner We won't tolerate hate speech, direct or indirect threats, or abusive language. So why don't we go ahead and open up to public comment for items not on the agenda. I do see one hand up. |
| 02:10:13.85 | Serge Avila | Madam Mayor, we have Eva's iPhone. And Eva, you've been unmuted and asked to share your video. |
| 02:10:19.35 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, welcome back Eva. |
| 02:10:20.35 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 02:10:29.56 | Mayor Kelman | Eva, we can't hear you. |
| 02:10:31.13 | Eva | Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes, thank you. |
| 02:10:31.16 | Mayor Kelman | Can you hear me? Can you hear me? |
| 02:10:34.45 | Eva | I wanted to address some of the comments made by Vicki Larson, who works with your Historical Society. I, you know, I was really intrigued by the claim that it was reasonable to think that there hadn't been racial housing covenants in Sausalito. And, you know, when this came up, it didn't immediately occur to me, but Thank you. I did realize that Abbott Chambers, who was your head librarian, And who, I think he was your PR person for some time. sent me over four and a half years ago sent me an email. on I think it's February 9, 2018. when I was talking about the racial covenants in Marin County. And when I was starting to research them, not only at the Bancroft Archives in Berkeley, but also at the Marin County Museum. library. And Mr. Chambers was good enough. back before he went to the dark side, he sent me the subject heading is directed to me. It says covenant from our house at, and I will not give the address since it is his address, but he sent me the covenant from his house in Tosledo. And the text of the message is full doc, plus screenshot of racial restrictions attached, Abbott. Now, he sent this not from his city government email, but from his personal email. And that tells you a little bit about how touchy the subject is in Sausalito. So I'd like to point out that the Sausalito Historical Society has been complicit in burying this story. But Abbott at one point, many years earlier, was good enough to do the right thing. And the language of the covenant is something that I included. in my article, my Marin voice piece that was published in the Marin IJ. And, you know, I am a very small investigator researcher But, you know, the list of historians and archivists who've documented this in Marin County is pretty long. And I also like this just a good time to talk about a book by Andrew Carl, which Vicki Larson may want to pick up. The Land Was Ours, How Black Beaches Became White Wealth. in the coastal south, but that includes Southern California. And we see this pattern throughout the country, especially in areas that are valuable and rich. We see the racial covenants. We also see much more transgressive actions against Black communities that he documents very well. So I do want to point out that it was your responsibility to hire a competent historian. |
| 02:13:28.33 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 02:13:29.28 | Serge Avila | Thank you, Eva. Your three minutes have elapsed. |
| 02:13:31.98 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, thank you, Serge. Are there any other members of the public wish to speak to an item not on the agenda? Okay. |
| 02:13:38.36 | Serge Avila | I see no other hands raised. |
| 02:13:40.62 | Mayor Kelman | Wonderful, I will go ahead and close public comment. Council member committee reports. I think we went through several of them tonight, but if anyone else has anything to add, yes, vice mayor and then council member Cleveland knows. |
| 02:13:52.06 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | just Importantly, I want to note, I got a message from Tom Perazzo from the Community Safety and Disaster Preparedness Committee, and they've had issues. I've mentioned this before, but I want to bring it up again in finding a quorum. And we really need to appoint new members so that they can continue to meet. It's something I'd like to see. on the agenda and also like to take this opportunity to share with the public that it's a great committee really committed to the topic of disaster preparedness, but also community safety with a dedicated group of members, including lots of folks from the fire department and the police department who are present at every meeting. So it's a great way to interact. with some of the city staff. So if you're interested at all in disaster preparedness, please consider applying. And also if we could, as a council, Think about how soon we might be able to make appointments. That would be really helpful for the committee. |
| 02:14:43.65 | Chris Zapata | Thank you, Vice Mayor. Houseman of Cleveland also. |
| 02:14:46.26 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 02:14:47.68 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to update everyone on a great meeting that we had last night at the pedestrian and bike advisory committee. I wanted to thank Director McGowan and the chair of that committee, Erin Roller, They led a really interesting discussion. This is something that we touched on during Director McGowan's update on infrastructure projects at our last meeting. as the on Bridgeway from Richardson to Princess Street. And I think one of the things that came up during that meeting is that the outreach, the public outreach process had not really started. The format of the meeting was to lead a discussion where people could kind of, everyone that was there could chime in on how they felt on that segment when they were walking, when they were in a car, when they were on a bike. if they were a student, they're a restaurant owner, They were a delivery driver. et cetera. And I think it just really highlighted how many people use that corridor and use it in different capacities. So sometimes you might be on your bike, sometimes you might be driving, sometimes you might be walking, et cetera. Anyway, it just elicited a lot of really good feedback The chamber, Julie Vera and other members were there. they wanted more chance for outreach. with their members. And so outreach will continue, but it was a great start and good participation And, forward to just seeing that process, that community outreach process move forward. to get everybody's viewpoint. That's great. |
| 02:16:31.97 | Mayor Kelman | you Thank you for that. Yeah, those guys are always so well prepared, Aaron, and So thank you for that update. Anything else on subcommittee reports? Okay, we'll move it over then to city manager reports, city council appointments. We have none in other council business. So we'll take public comment on those items only. Do we have public comment on those items? Okay, I see no hands raised, so I'm going to close public comment. Moving over to study manager. |
| 02:17:03.05 | Chris Zapata | Thank you, Mayor, I'll be brief. take this moment to profoundly say thank you to Serge Avila. This is his last meeting tonight. He has been an exceptional public servant he truly epitomizes what I call the platinum rule of treating all people better than he is treated and expects to be treated And over the past year and four months, he's been one that's kind of been included the city manager. He has been the constant, the person is called not just by me, but other departments, council people, community members, and everything he does, he does with a very gracious and can-do attitude. As a result of all the things I saw him do last year, I was pleased to award him the city manager employee of the year, even though we didn't have an employee gathering because of COVID, but he certainly was recognized for that. that's something he'll have on his resume as he moves forward and i just want to say serge it's been a pleasure thank you uh even though you will not be a part of sausalito's organization you will always be a part of our fabric so You'll be missed and best wishes to you and your career. |
| 02:18:18.01 | Mayor Kelman | I think we will all miss Serge who, |
| 02:18:18.35 | Chris Zapata | Got it. |
| 02:18:21.89 | Mayor Kelman | keeps us on track, on time, well organized, helps the city manager navigate technology. I just don't know. Serge, best of luck to you. You always, always have a home here. And I'm pretty sure five references, should you ever need them. But you will be missed. And so thank you very much for your service. |
| 02:18:44.82 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:18:44.84 | Serge Avila | Thank you. |
| 02:18:45.65 | Mayor Kelman | Exactly. |
| 02:18:46.04 | Ian Sobieski | Yeah. |
| 02:18:46.17 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 02:18:46.19 | Ian Sobieski | you And And, you know, I just want to say, like, Serge is operating in the COVID environment and other very stressful environments. You have... remain calm and unflappable and It helps everybody else stay on track. And we're definitely going to miss you. |
| 02:19:06.22 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:07.62 | Ian Sobieski | come back. Thank you. |
| 02:19:08.97 | Jill Hoffman | often. |
| 02:19:09.39 | Ian Sobieski | I've been there. |
| 02:19:10.03 | Jill Hoffman | Yeah, exactly. Or we'll come to you. You're still part of our Marin County family. So thank you for that. But we're going to miss you, Serge. You're such a great boy. You've been so great to work with all |
| 02:19:11.43 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:19:19.72 | Jill Hoffman | all the years that you've been here, that I've been here, and I so appreciate all of your hard work. kindness to all of us. So. |
| 02:19:28.41 | Serge Avila | Thank you. |
| 02:19:28.43 | Jill Hoffman | I know you'll do great wherever you go. |
| 02:19:30.62 | Serge Avila | Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure. |
| 02:19:30.84 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:19:33.86 | Unknown | Thanks, sir. |
| 02:19:34.67 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | Thank you. courage. Yeah. You always approach everything with a smile. Even when you have to send me several reminder text messages, I'm very thankful for you. |
| 02:19:35.50 | Jill Hoffman | Thank you. |
| 02:19:35.51 | Eva | Thank you. |
| 02:19:35.58 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:19:36.02 | Eva | you |
| 02:19:36.07 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:19:36.11 | Eva | Yeah. |
| 02:19:44.27 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | I don't know what I'm going to do without you. I will keep texting you. I might keep texting him. Yeah, we might just... |
| 02:19:51.41 | Serge Avila | Well, I'm not going too far. So thank you. Thank you so much for the best wishes. It's been great working with all of you. And I've learned so much. And I'm really bringing all that with me. I really appreciate every single one of you. Thank you. |
| 02:20:05.15 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you, Serge, we appreciate you. All right, well, on that very sad note, We have no appointments, supports commissions and committees, but any additional future agenda items? So we're all agreement. |
| 02:20:15.98 | Serge Avila | So the world- |
| 02:20:17.09 | Mayor Kelman | Oh, yeah. |
| 02:20:17.13 | Serge Avila | If I may, we do have an appointment for the library board of trustees. Oh, well, thank you. My apologies. It did not make it to |
| 02:20:22.34 | Chris Zapata | Oh, well, thank you. |
| 02:20:25.35 | Serge Avila | this script, but we do have to applicants, if you'd like to appoint. |
| 02:20:32.84 | Mayor Kelman | So normally we would do a quick interview process for these folks. Are they here with us? |
| 02:20:38.95 | Serge Avila | They're not here with us. I did reach out to them. They would still like to be considered. They were actually part of the April 30th interview process that we did. |
| 02:20:48.35 | Mayor Kelman | And we have two vacancies, is that right? |
| 02:20:51.08 | Serge Avila | We have right now. three vacancies in that committee. |
| 02:20:57.71 | Mayor Kelman | And my understanding is that it's one of the, I don't quite know how it's one of our statutory requirements, the Library of Board of Trustees requires that we have a board. |
| 02:21:06.71 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:21:06.77 | Mayor Kelman | to implement our library probably has to do with funding. So anybody have any concerns with voting on these two individuals tonight or any questions for Serge while he's here? No. |
| 02:21:19.67 | Ian Sobieski | Not on the motion or. So I can |
| 02:21:22.47 | Jill Hoffman | So I can... Thanks. |
| 02:21:23.89 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:21:23.97 | Jill Hoffman | Again. |
| 02:21:24.39 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:21:24.41 | Jill Hoffman | you you |
| 02:21:24.68 | Serge Avila | Please call the roll, Serge. Sure. Councilmember Sobieski. Yes. Councilmember Cleveland Knowles. |
| 02:21:31.53 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 02:21:33.03 | Serge Avila | Council member Hoffman. |
| 02:21:34.25 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 02:21:34.94 | Serge Avila | by Zemir Blaustein. |
| 02:21:36.31 | Jill Hoffman | Yes. |
| 02:21:36.78 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 02:21:36.95 | Serge Avila | and Mayor Kelman. Yes. Ocean passes. |
| 02:21:40.73 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you for that. See, just an example of how. |
| 02:21:40.75 | Serge Avila | Thank you for that. Thank you. |
| 02:21:42.25 | Serge Avila | So, |
| 02:21:42.53 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 02:21:43.19 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. We need you. Yes. |
| 02:21:44.47 | Chris Zapata | See you later. If I can, Mayor, for those that are listening, can you read the names of the appointees, please? |
| 02:21:51.51 | Mayor Kelman | Yes, I believe we just appointed a John G. Walsham and Shira Barnett. |
| 02:22:01.01 | Mayor Kelman | OK, moving on then, future agenda items. We talked about the undergrounding. We're all in agreement there. We do have a long list already, but I welcome further feedback. by Spare. |
| 02:22:12.67 | Councilmember Cleveland Knowles | I just wanted to add one thing in light of Damian's comments tonight about DEI that maybe we have another update from that committee and also specifically he and I had had some conversations and I know you mentioned this to the city manager, about potential for preference for procurement for Marin City businesses. And assuming that we receive a list of those businesses, it would be nice to consider our procurement procedures and how we might do that. The best time for that is, but I do want to start taking action on it and get it on everybody's radar. Great. Yes, let's do that. |
| 02:22:41.73 | Mayor Kelman | Thank you. |
| 02:22:42.88 | Unknown | you |
| 02:22:44.06 | Mayor Kelman | Anything else for future agenda items? |
| 02:22:46.90 | Ian Sobieski | I guess the only thing I would just point out is that, um, with the grand jury electrification report was a recommendation. to consider you know, their counties reach code, et cetera, when The time is and we have staffing for that. Bye. Thank you for that may already be on our future agenda. I'm not sure. |
| 02:23:09.81 | Chris Zapata | Thank you. |
| 02:23:10.82 | Ian Sobieski | Thank you. |
| 02:23:10.87 | Chris Zapata | I'll check on that. Councillor Hoffman. |
| 02:23:13.51 | Jill Hoffman | I know that, by the way, I thought, I thought that the facts, the HEAC facts and the HEAC video were really great. So I think actually perfect for what we wanted to do with like an update, but I know we need, I know we're having a substantive update on, the housing element and I think Thank you. You know, I know it's on the calendar, I know it's coming up. I just don't know what the date is. And I think other people don't know what the date is or what, because I'm assuming that before it comes back in January, we're going to have another update at some point. So I think if that could be sort of messaged or put maybe on a harder date on the future agenda items, then we can refer to that and say, well, it's either going to come back these two days, you know, for people who ask us. So that's the only, that's the only request that I have. Thank you. |
| 02:24:02.14 | Mayor Kelman | Okay, I'll endeavor to find that out from the consultant. I thought she did a very nice job on the video. She had slides. uh, which were so that was very helpful. The next T-Act meeting is October 13th. for those of you with a counterout. Okay, if there are no other future agenda items, let's move over to the reports of significance. I don't have any other than to remind everybody again, Sunday morning at 11. But Saturday, chili cook-off. Dunphy Park. Don't forget, it's delicious. Is that what you're gonna say, Councilman Hoffman? It is actually really fun and great, great chili. Okay, well, with that, I will suggest we adjourn. All there, great. Thanks, everyone. Have a good night. |
| 02:24:54.89 | Unknown | you |
| 02:24:54.92 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:24:55.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:24:55.13 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:24:55.36 | Unknown | you |
| 02:24:56.17 | Unknown | Good night. |
Vicki Nichols — In Favor: Supported the revised document, praising Christopher Vert's qualifications and the inclusion of factual, neighborhood-specific information on racial covenants. Urged the council to approve the statement. ▶ 📄
Damian — Against: Questioned what Sausalito is doing to rectify present inequities, citing the ineffective racial equity committee formed in 2020. Argued the city is not taking meaningful action to improve conditions for marginalized communities. ▶ 📄