| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:00:12.87 | Nastassya Saad | Okay, we're ready to go. |
| 00:00:17.99 | Kristina Feller | Let's go ahead and let everybody in. |
| 00:00:25.16 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Everyone from the public, it's Dan. |
| 00:00:27.71 | Morgan Pierce | I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO |
| 00:00:29.98 | Kristina Feller | Like this. Thank you. Terrific. If I could ask the public to just mute their Microphones? Thank you. So welcome everybody welcome to the regular planning commission meeting for Wednesday February 17. We are on Zoom again this evening. And if I could ask Senior Planner Usher to please call the roll. |
| 00:00:56.55 | Senior Planner Usher | Good evening Chair Feller and Planning Commissioners. This meeting is being held pursuant to Section 3 of Executive Order N-2920 issued by Governor Newsom on March 17. 2020 and all members are joining this meeting telephonically through zoom. I'll now call the roll. Commissioner Saad. President. Commissioner Luxenberg? |
| 00:01:22.69 | Jeffery Luxenberg | here. |
| 00:01:23.71 | Senior Planner Usher | I mention our peers. |
| 00:01:25.06 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Because the... |
| 00:01:26.19 | Senior Planner Usher | Ice-chair brow. Sure. And Chair Feller. |
| 00:01:30.33 | Kristina Feller | I'm not going to be here. |
| 00:01:31.51 | Senior Planner Usher | all members are present and there is a quorum. I also wanted to mention that the director sends her regards this evening. |
| 00:01:39.24 | Kristina Feller | Thank you so much. We wish you a speedy recovery. Um, thank you very much. So the next item on the agenda agenda is the approval of the agenda. Do I have any comments from any commissioners at this point on the agenda for a motion to approve. |
| 00:01:57.33 | Richard Graef | some moves. I'll second. |
| 00:02:01.68 | Kristina Feller | Right? Thank you. Senior planner usher, could you take the role? |
| 00:02:05.90 | Senior Planner Usher | Yes, Commissioner Saab. Yes. Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 00:02:11.25 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:02:12.15 | Senior Planner Usher | Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:02:13.39 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:02:14.44 | Senior Planner Usher | my share graph. |
| 00:02:15.88 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:02:15.93 | Senior Planner Usher | Yeah. and Chair Fowler. you |
| 00:02:18.07 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 00:02:19.32 | Senior Planner Usher | The motion carries five zero. |
| 00:02:22.39 | Kristina Feller | Terrific. could you please read the first item on the agenda for this evening? |
| 00:02:28.68 | Senior Planner Usher | The first item on the agenda is public comments on items not on the agenda. This is the time to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. except in very limited situations, state law precludes the planning commission from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the commission may refer matters not on the agenda to city staff or direct that the subject be Agenda I's for a future meeting. or audio public. Comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application, and you will be called upon when it's your time to speak. To raise your hand from a phone, press nine. State your name for the record and begin your comments. |
| 00:03:25.26 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much. But this time, if the public would like to comment on an item not on the agenda, could you please raise your hand? |
| 00:03:38.16 | Kristina Feller | Just give everyone just a minute. |
| 00:03:43.37 | Kristina Feller | I do not see any hands raised. Staff, could you just confirm that for me? Confirmed. |
| 00:03:49.33 | Senior Planner Usher | Thank you. |
| 00:03:51.49 | Kristina Feller | Okay, at this time I'd like to close public comments. The next item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes this evening. We have two minutes to approve the January 6th. in the January 20th meetings from earlier this year. Do I have any comments on either of the two meeting minutes that were posted? Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:04:16.13 | Morgan Pierce | Sheriff Eller, I have a quick comment on the minutes from January 6th. 2021 and that is on page two of two around line 32 and it says commissioner Pierce with a D on the end and if staff would just remove the D that would be lovely I don't like to be a verb. |
| 00:04:40.80 | Kristina Feller | That seems... |
| 00:04:41.20 | Morgan Pierce | Word ever. |
| 00:04:42.30 | Kristina Feller | Reasonable edit. Yes, thank you. Thank you. That's all I have. Do you ever have a comment on the notes? |
| 00:04:47.07 | Morgan Pierce | That's all I have. |
| 00:04:51.50 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 00:04:53.42 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you, Chair Feller. The notes for January 20th, page 305, line number 42, about It says that as everyone will remember, we made some specific changes to recommended changes to the general plan. |
| 00:05:12.02 | Senior Planner Usher | Thank you. |
| 00:05:14.62 | Jeffery Luxenberg | And I believe that goes over to the city council, but we don't ever physically see what we actually recommended. So I would like to amend the minutes for the 20th to add the amendments either in the text or an attachment to these minutes and then have approve the maybe approve the six tonight, but have the 20 to send back to us. And that would be true of page three line 42. And it would also be true of notes here. Um, page four. line 36. So on the amendments to the zoning amendment recommendations. We made some specific changes which we've never actually seen. So I would like to get those on the record. So if we can hold that January 20th till we can see it with those amendments, that would be my suggestion. I don't know how other commissioners feel. |
| 00:06:19.35 | Kristina Feller | I actually had the same comment that you did regarding the Planning Commission amendments to those motions, particularly as it related to the overlay in the marinship, I think it's important that not only are our records straight, but that the public can see that and there's transparency. um, Are there any other comments from any other commissioner on either either of the two nodes. |
| 00:06:46.21 | Richard Graef | I have a question. Thank you. |
| 00:06:47.83 | Kristina Feller | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:06:47.90 | Richard Graef | Mm-hmm. I didn't notice the absence of that information because these are really just kind of like action minutes and they, generally don't have any detail about what decisions were made or what recommendations Thank you. and things like that. Um, not that I'm opposed to having that information there, it's probably a good idea. it Ordinarily, it doesn't seem like it would be there anyway. because it'll be somewhere else. in the videos and in the records. Thank you. |
| 00:07:29.11 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. |
| 00:07:29.14 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:07:29.53 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Pearson. |
| 00:07:30.73 | Morgan Pierce | I would echo Commissioner Graff or Vice Chair Graff's statement is that staff and I believe the public is typically relied on the content in the record video and audio for the content. And we've called out items like this in the past and staff has reminded us of that. Protocol so unless there's something different for this issue, then I'd be happy to address it, but if it's just standard order of procedure, then I'm not sure we need to address anything specific. |
| 00:08:07.31 | Kristina Feller | I would add that because this is a public policy document that we were approving, that's meant to be a 20 year plan. I would at a minimum like the notes to reflect language that would reference where the public could go look for the information that's referenced there in terms of the amendments. because we all have a fresh memory, but, you know, five years from now, we might not so i i see the city attorney um and hopefully give us some guidance here. |
| 00:08:40.39 | Mary Wagner | Just a suggestion, that information is reflected in the City Council staff report that went to the Council when they were considering certification of the final EAR and adoption general plan so if that's at all helpful it does exist and live in all the public records on the decision on the general plans. |
| 00:09:03.83 | Morgan Pierce | I guess I would add that obviously we're very interested in information, making sure that public as well as members of the various commissions have as easy access to it as they possibly can. And perhaps this is more of a protocol discussion to be had with staff, on an agendized item or some future data on a non-agendized item, just to address how this material is conveyed. Because I think they've established protocols for how it best works for staff to elucidate the relative information that's been conveyed at a public hearing. Obviously, there are time requirements and other obligations that feed into that. I just want to make sure that we are sensitive to their... restrictions, their workload, et cetera, but at the same time, make sure that we're balancing that with the needs of the community. So perhaps that's another conversation for us to have. |
| 00:10:01.79 | Kristina Feller | But a good point nonetheless, I think. |
| 00:10:03.41 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. |
| 00:10:03.68 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:10:05.61 | Kristina Feller | If we can just sort of maybe triangulate the reference to amendment to where someone can look. I mean, if we had someone move into Sausalito again in five years from now, want to do a little bit of research, let's just try to make sure that we're clear and we're transparent. |
| 00:10:20.41 | Nastassya Saad | No. Just try to... |
| 00:10:26.33 | Kristina Feller | So with that, Can, that's... |
| 00:10:30.45 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Bye. |
| 00:10:32.29 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 00:10:32.67 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I always make a comment on that. I mean, I think in the case of the general plan item and in the case of the ordinance item, I understand the staff constraints on time and that kind of thing. But this ordinance is going to come back to us. I don't want to have to one go through a video of a couple of hours to find the language. And what the staff said at that time, they clean up the language. So we don't actually see it. So I think when we make a specific change to language related to an ordinance or policy, that it would be useful that those get in the minutes or the minutes for the city council get attached to this somehow then, if that's easier for the staff, because I think that, you know, that, this would just be too hard to find. And we'd say when, for example, Okay. City Council adopted a general plan, so that's a little different now. for the Zoning ordinance, we added a special section that we wanted And it had to be in a certain place. And so those changes need to be shown somewhere in our records, not just go to look in the video or go to look in the city council. I mean, I think we want it here so that we can go back on our own and check it if that makes sense to somebody. |
| 00:12:03.41 | Kristina Feller | Mary. |
| 00:12:04.58 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, Chair Feller, members of the commission, thank you for letting me jump back in again. I'm hearing what you're saying that, you know, when you're making recommendations on a policy document to the council, you would like that reflected if you make changes to the staff, or the documents in your staff report, you'd like that reflected in the minutes that are brought back to you? So if there's consensus from the commission on that, we can certainly go back on the minutes that you have in front of you tonight. bring that forward and let you see what that would look like. and see if that meant that the Commission is raising. But I also understand, you know, we don't do verbatim minutes anymore. Much to the chagrin of your city attorney, I was probably the only person or one of the few people who really misses those. I'm not going to be a little bit. But yeah, they were great. |
| 00:12:48.42 | Nastassya Saad | I knew that. |
| 00:12:48.80 | Senior Planner Usher | Yeah. |
| 00:12:50.78 | Mary Wagner | especially for the planning commission, but we can work on that and let us work with the community development director as well. and let her know the direction and let us bring you back something to look at and see if that addresses your concern. |
| 00:13:02.41 | Kristina Feller | That's great. I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you, Mary, for weighing in. |
| 00:13:06.37 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:13:06.68 | Kristina Feller | So perhaps at this time, let's do this. Is there a motion to approve the January 6th meeting minutes with the edit referenced by Commissioner Pierce? |
| 00:13:24.51 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:13:24.55 | Morgan Pierce | So moved. |
| 00:13:25.34 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:13:26.15 | Morgan Pierce | I'll second that. |
| 00:13:26.45 | Kristina Feller | Second? |
| 00:13:27.45 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. Thank you. I'll give Commissioner Assad a second. Thank you. |
| 00:13:32.76 | Kristina Feller | Dean, your planner, Usher, could you please take the roll call on the January 6th meeting minutes? |
| 00:13:38.38 | Senior Planner Usher | Commissioner Saad. Yes. Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 00:13:43.29 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:13:44.14 | Senior Planner Usher | Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:13:45.30 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:13:46.43 | Senior Planner Usher | Vice Chair Braff. Yeah. Interfeller. |
| 00:13:50.16 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:13:51.45 | Senior Planner Usher | That motion carries five zero. |
| 00:13:54.23 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. And perhaps a suggestion here is to request that the January 20th meeting minutes Um, be revised to reflect reference to the specific amendments to the general plan recommendations by the Planning Commission for approval for the general plan EIR and Thank you. and the zoning. |
| 00:14:24.03 | Jeffery Luxenberg | the amendment of the Azariah Amendment. the zoning. |
| 00:14:26.48 | Mary Wagner | on it. MS NAUERT. |
| 00:14:29.03 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Voting on this amendment for agreement. |
| 00:14:32.86 | Mary Wagner | Sure, Phil, I apologize for interrupting, but it does look as though you have a member of the public with their hand raised on this item as well. when you're ready to take public home. |
| 00:14:41.63 | Kristina Feller | Right. Okay. Well, why don't we go ahead and open public comment for the January 20th meeting minutes at this time. I see Vicki Nichols has her hand raised. Um, let's unmute, uh, Vicki and, um, |
| 00:14:58.88 | Vicki Nichols | Hi, good evening, Chair Feller and commissioners. I wanted to put my two cents in as a person that's researched the different actions by the Planning Commission over the years. and I fully support the suggestion about attaching this, I would just emphasize that the general plan is done very infrequently and being aware of the staff's workload would not want to add more to their time, but I've got to tell you, trying to bounce between these sources, you know, a video, this or that, sometimes dissuades people, and I believe it's not very transparent. This is a very important document, |
| 00:15:37.32 | Senior Planner Usher | very important. |
| 00:15:39.17 | Vicki Nichols | And I agree with Mary, I love the verbatim minutes because then you didn't have this kind of issue And you also had the context of how but I know we can't afford that process anymore. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY VIEWPOINT AND I WOULD I would wholly endorse you getting the information attached with the minutes of the meeting where you took that action. They should be connected. Thanks. |
| 00:16:09.57 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Vickie. Are there any other members in the public that would like to make a comment on these meeting minutes? Seeing none, I'll close public comments. So, The one item we have left is the January 20th meeting minutes. And I suggest that perhaps we request staff to revise those meeting minutes to recognize the recommendations that the planning commission made. |
| 00:16:46.09 | Jeffery Luxenberg | So, so move and bring and add to that to bring it back to either the meeting on the 24th or the meeting on March 3rd. |
| 00:16:47.59 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:16:53.85 | Kristina Feller | Yes. Is there a second to that? |
| 00:16:55.47 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Looks like a man. |
| 00:16:57.34 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Pierce seconded that motion. Senior Planner Usher, could you please take the roll call? |
| 00:17:03.21 | Senior Planner Usher | Commissioner Saad. Yes. Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 00:17:08.16 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:17:09.00 | Senior Planner Usher | Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:17:10.47 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:17:11.46 | Senior Planner Usher | by share graph. |
| 00:17:13.12 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. |
| 00:17:13.13 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:17:13.17 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:17:13.19 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. |
| 00:17:13.22 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:17:13.79 | Senior Planner Usher | And to your fellers. The motion carries five zero. |
| 00:17:20.12 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much. So the next item on the agenda are public hearing items. We had a postage issue. So there are no public hearing items that will be heard this evening at this hearing. So the items that were previously scheduled for this evening are now going to be heard at our special planning commission hearing that is next week february 24th So thank you everybody for their patience in that regard. So the next item on the agenda are the business items. And so the first item is the adoption of the commission's |
| 00:17:57.31 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Chair Feller, can I just make one comment on that? on the public hearing part of the agenda. I just note that there was a NOA, NOI, I can't remember, for the Liberty War Project, and it was noticed that it would be at this meeting, and I emailed the staff planner for that, and she indicated it would be March 17th instead of February 17th. And so I thought we should just mention that so that people would be aware of that also. |
| 00:18:33.38 | Kristina Feller | Yes, well, the agenda has not been published at this time for next week. However, that item would be continued from the hearing next week. Thank you. |
| 00:18:49.29 | Jeffery Luxenberg | What I'm saying is the NOI, which is on the website, indicates it would be tonight. It says February 17th. |
| 00:18:59.21 | Kristina Feller | Right. And the items that were on the agenda. for that had originally been placed on the agenda for this evening because of a postage issue postage apparently went up one cent. So everything that had been metered, posted, did not reach its intended destination. So because of a noticing issue, everything that had been agendized for tonight will no longer be heard tonight because the notice period did not, was not in effect. That is why none of those items are being heard this evening. And they're being shifted. to a special... |
| 00:19:39.20 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I do not follow on. I understand what you're saying, but this is an item not mentioned in this agenda. it's not listed there. So this is an item that was noticed on the website, not in an agenda, but on a NOI or NOA or whatever it's called. So it's not one of the ones that are listed on this agenda, but it is a completely different project. And it said we were going to do a workshop. on February 17. And so I'm saying that we, I just wanted to get on the record for anybody that saw that on a website, because it's not one of the ones listed in this agenda for the next meeting that I was told there was going to be March 17th. But I just wanted to acknowledge that if somebody saw that, that one, which is 70 to 74 Liberty Wharf, that it wasn't going to be held tonight and it was going to be held supposedly March 17th. |
| 00:20:44.14 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Luxenberg. Any other items regarding public hearing? then we'll move back into the new business. And we have the rest of our calendar for this year, our meeting calendar that we need to approve this evening. So at this time, are there any, amendments suggested by any of the commissioners. Is there a motion to approve as is? Let's start with you, Commissioner Saad. Any comments on that? |
| 00:21:22.72 | Nastassya Saad | I think from my perspective currently, it looks good I'd be open to approve it as is if somebody makes a motion if it works for everybody else |
| 00:21:34.12 | Kristina Feller | Thanks. Commissioner Pierce any comments. |
| 00:21:37.06 | Morgan Pierce | I believe the schedule looks acceptable. I will just add for clarity that my second term ends in May of this year. And I would just like staff to acknowledge that. |
| 00:21:50.49 | Kristina Feller | We were hoping you wouldn't remember Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:21:52.84 | Morgan Pierce | who's... |
| 00:21:53.51 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:21:54.96 | Kristina Feller | Um, commissioner Luxenberg, any comments on the, on the calendar? |
| 00:21:59.42 | Jeffery Luxenberg | No, I'm good with the calendar. Thank you, Sheriff. |
| 00:22:02.69 | Kristina Feller | And vice chair. Vice Chair Graff, any comments? |
| 00:22:05.78 | Richard Graef | No, it looks good to me. I've looked at my schedule and it's fine. until something changes. Thank you. |
| 00:22:16.24 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:22:16.36 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:22:17.48 | Kristina Feller | Terrific. Well, with that, I have no comments either, and I will just point out that you know should there be a need for any special planning commission hearing that would be above and beyond what we already have calendared and we'll talk about that a little bit later on the agenda this evening as well. So do I hear, can I get a motion to approve the calendar as is? |
| 00:22:42.38 | Richard Graef | Come out. |
| 00:22:42.96 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:22:42.97 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:22:44.12 | Kristina Feller | One second. Terrific. Senior Planner Usher, could you please Call the roll. |
| 00:22:51.36 | Senior Planner Usher | Commissioner Saad. Yes. Commissioner Luxembourg |
| 00:22:56.19 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:22:57.13 | Senior Planner Usher | Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:22:58.40 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:22:59.21 | Senior Planner Usher | ice chair grab. |
| 00:23:00.71 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 00:23:01.57 | Senior Planner Usher | And Chair Fowler. |
| 00:23:07.11 | Senior Planner Usher | Motion carries five zero. |
| 00:23:09.59 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. So the next business item is an update on the general plan adoption. Do you want to give us an update? |
| 00:23:23.29 | Senior Planner Usher | Yes, the Community Development Director asked me to send her regards this evening, but wanted to give enormous recognition to the Planning Commission in their efforts with the general plan adoption. The council adopted the new general plan last week on a unanimous 5-0 vote. And it was thanks to all of the hard work of so many community members, including all of you five commissioners rolling up your sleeves to really accomplish that enormous task. Director Whalen also wanted to let the Commission know that the Department is moving straight away into the housing element update, and the council appointed the commission's Chair Fowler, and Commissioner Luxenberg to advise on a short-term ad hoc proposal review committee. That group will make recommendations on consultants for the housing element update preparation. The council's working group for the housing element update, Vice Mayor Kalman and Commissioner Cleveland Knowles are also Karen Hollweg, Preparing recommendations on the formation of a housing element advisory committee, which would be a more long term brown committee. |
| 00:24:46.97 | Senior Planner Usher | So with that, those are the, um, |
| 00:24:47.16 | Richard Graef | Oh. |
| 00:24:47.38 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. |
| 00:24:50.43 | Senior Planner Usher | the updates on the general plan adoption from the director tonight. |
| 00:24:57.89 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much. Do any of the commissioners have any. Any comments or questions of staff regarding the general plan? |
| 00:25:07.17 | Nastassya Saad | I just I didn't know that Chair Feller and fellow Commissioner Luxembourg that you were going to be on. some that extra committee I think but that that's really cool that's just for it's proud so this is already a great commission and It's just, Just want to say that's great news so happy to have you guys there represent us well. |
| 00:25:29.77 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:25:31.66 | Morgan Pierce | I would just like to add extra thanks to city staff who |
| 00:25:31.67 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. I'm going to go. |
| 00:25:35.34 | Morgan Pierce | worked extra long hours and probably many sleepless nights to help corral and wrangle this effort in conjunction with the planning commission, the city council and community members in this incredible effort. So it is a thank you that is well presented to everybody who is involved. Hopefully I have little doubt that our community will benefit from it all. And I look forward to the next 20 years. |
| 00:26:07.67 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Commissioner Pearson. Vice Chair Graff or Commissioner Luxembourg, any comments or questions of staff regarding the general plan? adoption. |
| 00:26:20.53 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I can just, I mean, I was only here for the tail end of this, but again, I appreciate all of the staff. work on this because I know that it was a huge undertaking. And again, kudos to the staff for marshalling this through. |
| 00:26:38.13 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:26:38.19 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:26:38.45 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:26:38.53 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:26:38.63 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:26:38.90 | Richard Graef | Okay. I would echo both commissioners' comments about giving thanks to all the people that helped out. It was a massive project. Thank you. It did take a lot of time, so I'm glad it's done. |
| 00:26:59.53 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, I think everybody, Everybody is and now now it's time to sort of put it into into motion and into action. And just to add on what my fellow commissioners have said, I genuinely want to thank not just the staff who are, have been, this is a huge. heavy lift on their end that they have done gracefully and under quite a lot of pressure But I really, really want to thank the public |
| 00:27:29.87 | Nastassya Saad | All right. |
| 00:27:29.97 | Kristina Feller | I know that there There are contentious issues. There always are with these types of exercises. And I wanna thank everybody in the public who has persevered and been vocal and participated and helped shape their community and care about the community. I just don't think that there's ever enough words or enough thanks or also getting our community engaged to be part of the process. And we know well on this commission that the general plan is, is, is our guiding light for, for many, many issues. And so now there are a lot of opportunities with this new general plan update to really think about how to move forward into the future. address issues of resiliency and economic stability and so on and so forth. I'm looking forward to that and just genuinely thank everybody for showing up. So, So thank you very much. Thank you. with that, Let's move on to the next business item for this evening. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:28:49.62 | Mary Wagner | Chair Feller, I apologize. Did I miss it? Did we take public comment on that item? |
| 00:28:49.68 | Kristina Feller | Sure. |
| 00:28:54.33 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:28:54.34 | Kristina Feller | I didn't see the |
| 00:28:54.36 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:28:56.97 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you. we were taking public comment on this particular issue but um i can open it up for since there's no motion do we still take public comment you need to take |
| 00:29:04.54 | Mary Wagner | You need to take public comment on every item on your agenda. |
| 00:29:07.71 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, thank you for correcting me. At this time, I will open up this item for public comment. If you could please raise your hand should you want to speak on this matter. |
| 00:29:23.76 | Kristina Feller | I am not seeing any hand staff. Could you just confirm for me? |
| 00:29:29.63 | Vicki Nichols | That is correct. |
| 00:29:29.69 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. it. Okay. At this time, I will close public comment on this issue. And thank you, City Attorney Wagner, again, for... Correcting me and let's move on to the next item on our agenda. which is a preliminary discussion regarding streamlining the public hearing process for discretionary permits. And if I could ask senior planner Usher to join us again here to give... Give us a brief here. |
| 00:30:00.74 | Senior Planner Usher | Yes, the Community Development Director asked me to let the Commission know that she and the Chair have begun a conversation about some policy changes that could be made in the department. to streamline the hearing process. For example, one change being implemented for the next meeting are some clear applicant presentation protocols for the Zoom meetings, which we hope will lead to more streamlined meetings with fewer interruptions. Another thought the director had was to substantially revise the staff report noticing process. to allow for more notice and dialogue with the applicant in the neighborhood up front in an attempt to reduce the number of hearings for applicants and neighbors and bring projects forward when they are ready for action one way or the other. To accomplish this, the director is considering the impact of shifting the staff analysis report production from within 10 days in advance of a hearing and publication six days in advance of a hearing to beginning four weeks prior to the public hearing when story polls go up. And this would provide additional needed time for staff and neighbors to view the story of polls and the proposals impact on light, air and views. As well as time for staff and the applicant to review draft conditions of approval. And a legal period of notice is provided well in advance of a hearing. issues can be corrected without impacts to the Commission schedule. And if the commission is inclined, the director would bring back policy changes you would like to see and identify if any ordinance amendments are required to just the story pool ordinance or submittal requirements in the zoning ordinance |
| 00:32:00.37 | Kristina Feller | Thank you so much, Senior Planner Usher. Just a quick question for clarification. This is a preliminary discussion, so this will be... on our agenda in the future as well in more detail. |
| 00:32:15.86 | Senior Planner Usher | Yes, I believe so. I believe this is just starting the discussion about what's in the works with respect to a larger streamlining process that the department's working on. |
| 00:32:27.66 | Kristina Feller | Terrific, thank you. |
| 00:32:28.91 | Senior Planner Usher | Thank you. |
| 00:32:30.58 | Kristina Feller | Thank you for your presentation. Any comments from the commissioners or any thoughts and ideas? Yeah, Vice Chair Graff. |
| 00:32:40.67 | Richard Graef | Um, yeah. The first thing that pops into my mind is the issues that we've been having, especially and they Thank you. in the recent past. of huge volumes of late mail and comments coming in, you know, at the very last minute. and I think it's not really giving the Commission time to consider these in any Yeah. And I know that Technically there is a cutoff period for those kinds of communications. but that doesn't seem to be happening Um, So I think as part of the streamlining It says streaming here. |
| 00:33:25.51 | Senior Planner Usher | I'm screaming. |
| 00:33:26.52 | Richard Graef | And part of the streamlining process would maybe be managing mail a little more Effectively. |
| 00:33:38.28 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:33:39.46 | Morgan Pierce | I echo Vice Chair Graff's comments. I want to be sensitive. at the same time to the obligations of city staff, but you know, having the Planning Commission review late mail that arrives essentially within minutes of a hearing is really untenable. And it doesn't do any service to fair process. And we really need to figure out the best possible practices for evaluating all the aspects of a project. And I think from some of the concerns we've heard from community members over the past several years of not having adequate time to review story polls or other submittal... I think some of the concerns we've heard from community members over the past several years of not having adequate time to review story polls or other submittal elements is concerning. And we want to make sure that every voice is heard and that we are considering every element as we review these projects. Because we are representatives of our community and want to make sure that we're taking everything under advisement as we can in a reasonable fashion as possible. At the same time, I want to be respectful of staff's obligations and and time constraints and Encourage us to find some balance that serves both. |
| 00:34:54.45 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:34:54.61 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. |
| 00:34:54.64 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:34:56.82 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 00:35:00.60 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah, I echo those concerns. I also echo the concerns of There's sort of a lot of repetition in some of, by the time we get some of those late emails, which some cases are just resending of emails we've received before. And I know next week we have public hearings on, and I mentioned this to the director, we're having a public hearing on a item that was previously on the agenda. And they're going to relist all of the items. And I would like the staff to tell us what's new and what's old. |
| 00:35:27.51 | Senior Planner Usher | Thank you. |
| 00:35:27.53 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:35:27.56 | Senior Planner Usher | of the. |
| 00:35:36.14 | Jeffery Luxenberg | And as we go forward, if there's a way somehow condense or or refer to stuff so that we're not having to read the same thing multiple times because it came in and then it came in again. So there's a lot of it seems to be a lot of repetition. separate from that issue, Some of the projects seemingly are taking multiple years to get approved, so anything we can do that expedite some of these reviews, whether the staff has more meetings with applicants ahead of meetings. I don't know what the answer is, but I just put that on the table that as a body, you know, hopefully things don't shouldn't take two years to not the general plan, but I'm talking about projects that have gone out two or three years. You know, in some cases, it's the applicant just isn't listening to what the ordinance requires. But in other cases, it seems that things just get dragged out. So some policy changes on trying to expedite if they could look at that, you know. |
| 00:36:43.75 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Pierce? |
| 00:36:44.41 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. I would just offer it. I think Commissioner Luxembourg makes a great point, and I would just offer from some perspective. We have endured a fair amount of staff turnover over the last couple of years, which makes it a challenge for continuity in the applications. I believe that staff's intent is to make those applications as seamless and streamlined as possible, but I understand they've run up for some challenges and anything we can do to help them as we move forward will certainly be welcome, I think. |
| 00:37:16.76 | Kristina Feller | Right, thank you. Yeah. Commissioner Saad, do you have any thoughts? |
| 00:37:21.32 | Nastassya Saad | My my original comment was going to be what Vice Chair Graff said. I mean personally I feel. unprepared when I come to a meeting and there were late mail but I'm sure we all have daytime jobs so it's been a little bit tough to be able to read those meet those mails that are coming in at 3 or 4 or 5 p.m. before a meeting. I don't know if if something I don't know what the obligation is legally if they need to be accepted or if there can be some form of communication back from staff that says please come to the meeting and use the public comment time for that because then it can be on record and everybody can hear it, but I don't know where I don't know what those requirements are. legally if they just if they have to be inbound and then passed over maybe my fellow commissioner who's raising his hand knows the answer to that. But that has been a little difficult so that might be an area of focus. And then in terms of. Um, site visits in general I know it's not a requirement as well but I think it can be something that should be continued to be encouraged at the very least because I think a site visit really really makes or breaks an issue in your head in terms of visualizing and understanding plans are very helpful but also to encourage you know, community members within within bounds and respect of a property. But if if they want to also have some type of input from far and visually see it because I think sometimes the comments are coming from a place of passion and maybe a little bit less of a understanding of maybe there's a certain property that has to be a certain way. And I don't know if that is something we also, again, what the boundaries are, Not that you want to send the whole public to somebody's property, but just to get a feel let them understand so we can have some really robust conversations when we do get to our meeting. |
| 00:39:22.94 | Kristina Feller | Great comments. Great comments. Vice Chair Graf, I know you had your hand up. |
| 00:39:27.83 | Richard Graef | Yeah, thank you. two things. One, back to the late male Um, Um, not to belabor this, but we also get a lot of mail directly from the public, just to us personally. and it's not coming through the city, And I only kind of wonder what, if any, policy there is around that because that tends to be repetitious, and there tends to be a lot of those up at the last minute. Um, But otherwise, I think I'm not sure. the planning director's efforts to find ways to give the public and everybody more time before a hearing to really digest the information and look at story polls. and have dialogues about it before the hearing I think any effort in that direction would be great for us. And I would support that. |
| 00:40:31.97 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:40:33.89 | Morgan Pierce | I would love to echo the comments of my fellow commissioners and ask that staff, you know, upon hearing all of these desires, come back with a draft plan of how we might work that out. Because I mean, obviously they have certain obligations that they have to adhere to from a legal basis. But I feel like there's probably some legal room that we can serve both needs. |
| 00:40:56.88 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. I had a couple comments to add to this on top of I agree with everything that's already been said about late males, so I won't add to that. No need, you guys have said it articulately. |
| 00:41:04.07 | Nastassya Saad | meals. |
| 00:41:09.70 | Kristina Feller | But I want to thank and applaud the Community Development Director for identifying this as an initiative. This is really quite critical. |
| 00:41:19.64 | Richard Graef | We're... Yeah. |
| 00:41:20.81 | Kristina Feller | and really appreciate this being prioritized And I also know that our interim city manager has, you know, a number of wonderful ideas with a fresh set of eyes that can really, help in this regard as well as everybody else here on the Zoom and elsewhere in the virtual halls of the moment of city hall. |
| 00:41:38.90 | Senior Planner Usher | moment of |
| 00:41:40.43 | Kristina Feller | Um, I... I wanted to to add that I think that I think that it would be much, it would be very helpful both to the applicant and to the commission in an effort to streamline this to be clear about, in essence, a checklist of what the requirements are for not just a design review, but the heightened design review. And I think those really need to be differentiated |
| 00:42:05.81 | Nastassya Saad | I think |
| 00:42:08.55 | Kristina Feller | And there were a number of recommendations that were made by the landslide task force that were approved and adopted by the city council and that address some of these heightened design reviews that have never been incorporated into. |
| 00:42:18.50 | Senior Planner Usher | Right. |
| 00:42:22.89 | Kristina Feller | into the requirements and they come up more and more in our hearings where we have certain situations or applicants with you know, unusually steep properties or difficult properties, you know, here in Sausalito based on our terrain. And so I think that we need to look at ways and opportunities for which to incorporate those that have already been articulated and identified into because I think there's also frustration by the applicants that sometimes it's not clear We need to be fair, we need to be equal, we need to be transparent, and we need to set them up for success with their |
| 00:43:00.91 | Senior Planner Usher | Yes. |
| 00:43:07.59 | Kristina Feller | their applications. We want people to maintain their properties and care for them to modernize them when it's |
| 00:43:14.51 | Nastassya Saad | when it's done. |
| 00:43:14.88 | Kristina Feller | and so on and so forth. We want them to be successful in doing that, obviously within the confines of our ordinances. So let's set them up to be successful in that regard. Um, The other thing just to add in terms of streamlining, particularly where there are more and we have a lot of different I think that the study session avenue is an incredibly useful one. And many times we have received applicants where Um, probably projects could have benefited more from that initial study session. So they don't get too far down the road and with their time and expense and and can use it constructively to help their the design, the execution, and the input without going to great expense. So I think we have to be mindful of, you know, engaging with applicants and the public properly at the right time. And sometimes we have very straightforward applicants and sometimes we have very complex ones that are not always very clear. So those are my ads to the conversation. I don't know if anyone has any more thoughts on that or any others. Yep. It's Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 00:44:44.79 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I think the study sessions would be good. I also wonder if something is a very large project, not just one house or whatever, but if it's a complicated project, if it's a complicated project, could we explore, have staff explore the idea of an ad hoc committee, maybe two members of the commission serving with the staff to explore and which would be in a different form than this would be, and it might allow some, you know, You know, I don't know. I mean, I think that that might be helpful in some if a project is, you know, You know something other than a single-family house or whatever and it's complicated And there's a lot of issues and whatever if that could happen early on That might expedite and not drag something out as long And I think it goes with the study sessions, which I think is an excellent idea But it would be one step further than that |
| 00:45:24.91 | Nastassya Saad | You know, I remember |
| 00:45:51.91 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Okay. Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:45:55.60 | Morgan Pierce | I would add, and again, I don't know if this is something we need to manage in the Sausalito Municipal Code, but for the heightened review, it seems like some extra efforts with regard to public announcement and awareness might be helpful in that, because obviously these are more important projects of a degree that have the potential to have a deeper impact on our community. And, you know, I find at times that I hear folks say that they really had no idea of the impact. And so if there's some way we can improve the public outreach in that capacity, that would be great, I think. |
| 00:46:36.54 | Kristina Feller | Good point. Thank you. Any other comments? Yes, Commissioner Saad. |
| 00:46:44.23 | Nastassya Saad | My hand disappears in this light. Thank you. Thank you, Chair Feller. If it's something that's maybe appropriate for us to look into as a commission, when I was on the Historic Preservation Commission, what we did when we were making some changes within our |
| 00:46:45.91 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:47:00.60 | Nastassya Saad | remit from the from the code was look at San Francisco. So we looked at what they were doing for it was called the certificate of appropriateness, I think. And we sort of in a, you know, we sort of lifted a little bit of what they had and made it work for us for the city of Sausalito, but it was nice to look at a guide on a bigger scale and see how they're We discussed some type of checklist at that point as well. It might be something if we are allowed to look on our own and maybe bring to a meeting and see just to assist city staffs and I'm sure they're quite busy, but looking to see what they have and they might have a checklist that we can revamp for the city of Sausalito perhaps because I think that's a really good idea. I think there is I've been in so few meetings, but you can hear some of the frustration sometimes coming from the applicants. And it would, I agree, the word setting them up for success would be the best way to go. And I think would ultimately shorten meetings and move projects forward. |
| 00:48:06.26 | Kristina Feller | Excellent. Commissioner Pierce, you had a Thank you. |
| 00:48:10.09 | Morgan Pierce | I would echo what Commissioner Saad just mentioned. In my six years on the historic preservation commission, we were instrumental in transforming the actions of that commission to be a totally self-explanatory |
| 00:48:10.13 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:48:22.67 | Morgan Pierce | a self-serving body to finding resources such as the San Francisco evaluation processes and others to really make it provide robust tools for us to do our job better and not just rely on just digging in and finding out all of the answers. And I think that's a great suggestion. Let's look at other communities that are doing a great job at what we want to do and find ways to implement tools that they might be using to best serve our community. |
| 00:48:55.27 | Kristina Feller | Excellent, excellent. Any other thought? Vice Chair. |
| 00:49:02.49 | Richard Graef | Hi, well, I just wanted to also support the study session idea because I think that and my experience has been very valuable helping projects kind of get moving in the right direction. I'm not sure. I think we have to be careful that it's, doesn't become something that gets abused. where every project wants a study session. So if they get the benefit of you know, of the commission's recommendations. I'm not sure. But the other, one other thing that I that I'm just not sure if there's any real clear answer to, but I, especially in the some of the more, say, complex or controversial projects that we review. Um, Thank you. the time a lot. or are they presentations are sometimes um, just not enough for an applicant to really go over all the material. And I know that from time to time, make. some exceptions because there just seem to be more questions. I'm just putting it out there. I don't know. that I've I have been frustrated a number of times where they're just Things were moving along and all the information wasn't out there. So, That's the only other kind of a side issue to this. |
| 00:50:47.13 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:50:47.15 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:50:47.17 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:50:47.27 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:50:47.28 | Richard Graef | Thank you. Thanks. |
| 00:50:48.64 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. you Any other, any thoughts or comments? about this right now. This is again, just a |
| 00:51:00.23 | Senior Planner Usher | Again, |
| 00:51:02.17 | Kristina Feller | preliminary discussion on streamlining the public hearing process, but... I think that there are a lot of really good ideas that have so far come out of this discussion here. I'd like to just quickly ask staff before we go to public comment here, although I don't think there's any public here, but we're, Were some of the comments and feedback clear enough that we're providing I'm sorry. articulate enough feedback or ideas for you to further develop. |
| 00:51:40.76 | Senior Planner Usher | Absolutely, yeah, yeah. And I can tell they sound very in line with the director's concerns as well. And the solutions, I think, sound quite similar and So yeah, thank you for all that feedback. |
| 00:51:59.80 | Kristina Feller | So at this time, let me open this up for public comment. Again, I don't... believe we have public here but if there is somebody please raise your hand Seeing none, I will close public comment. And any other final thoughts on this? Otherwise we can move to the next. business items. Okay. All right, let's move on to the next business item. So the next item is a preliminary discussion again about commission collaboration and coordination with other boards and commissions. And this is actually an item that I had asked our community development director to. placed on the agenda to again get start to socialize this discussion gather ideas and input and thoughts. Um, There are other commissions, as everyone knows here in Sausalito, and theoretically we should be meeting at least once a year with historic preservation perhaps sustainability, we've had joint sessions with city council last year. specific to the general plan, but on a generally regular basis, we should be communicating and coordinating with our other commissions. And I think that now that we have a general plan adopted, we have already in February but a new year, I think it's a great time to revisit how we actually work and collaborate with our other commissions and how we can help them. and how they can help us. |
| 00:53:45.94 | Nastassya Saad | Mm-hmm. |
| 00:53:46.68 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. I think, you know, more recently we've had relied heavily on uh, historic preservation. with some of our past applications having historic context. and even to the point where several we've had to send back to request hpc input so And sustainability, resiliency is just going to become more and more integrated with what we're doing. So. I'm not sure. I'd like to open up the discussion and gather some thoughts about how we can how this can really help us and how we can improve the larger process here in the city with with this body. |
| 00:54:31.08 | Kristina Feller | Anybody want to start? Thank you. |
| 00:54:33.36 | Morgan Pierce | You're looking for suggestions? |
| 00:54:34.07 | Kristina Feller | Yes. for months. All suggestions, conversation. Absolutely. |
| 00:54:41.54 | Morgan Pierce | I mean, I would just offer that. I'm sorry, go ahead. He's looking like you've got a great idea. Go for it. |
| 00:54:45.58 | Nastassya Saad | You've got a great idea. You know, it's only coming from my viewpoint of the Historic Preservation Commission. So that's my extent of involvement. So coming from that lens alone, when I first started, we had many joint meetings and I know the roles have changed and the scope has changed. So we don't even do the 50 year reviews anymore. That's now the onus is on the applicant. But we had talked about this a long time ago in terms of just having that rapport once once we lost the some of our remit, which really streamlined our meetings. It was a benefit, but once we did with some of that shifted, we sort of lost our our open door to the planning commission. And I think now being on the other side of it, it would be a huge benefit if we just even even twice a year get down to sit and go through a lot of the ideas that they have alone. And I'm sure we would come to the table with some as well. and discuss some of the things that can also benefit residents, like the Mills Act. I feel like it's something that most people don't understand. Why would you if you're not involved in it? But there are a lot of benefits there. We had also had some discussions around Sausalito walking tours and you know, there's just a lot of ideas that came out that couldn't come to fruition. as Commissioner Pierce said, with all the staff turnaround, we didn't wanna burden them, but I think maybe we don't need them. Maybe we can have those discussions on our own and then go back and do our own presentations and see what we're allowed to do. what we're allowed to accomplish together as a group. So I would definitely do a huge vote for for preservation commission two times a year discussion. |
| 00:56:33.56 | Kristina Feller | Excellent, excellent, thank you. Commissioner Pierce. |
| 00:56:36.31 | Morgan Pierce | Well, yeah, I would just touch on what Commissioner Saad just mentioned. It would be great if all of these commissions, and I'm sure some of them do more than others presently, but take a more proactive than a reactive approach. And, you know, a lot of, granted, there is a lot of stuff that the Planning Commission has to review, and so trying to be proactive may not be as easy at times as we might like it to be. But we should at least go forth with the notion that we can change, we can affect change for the better and constantly think about ways and whether that's communications with our fellow boards and commissions or just our own participation in our community and find to do things better and bring those to this body for presentation during communication or as Commissioner Saad mentioned, maybe it is finding ways to have collaborative engagement with the other boards and commissions in some sort of noticed event where we can have conversations that really serve our community in sort of a broader sense. |
| 00:57:41.13 | Kristina Feller | That's fun. Any other ideas about, about this or any other commissions that really, uh, really you think we would benefit from or they would benefit from our involvement? Together, this year, |
| 00:58:01.09 | Morgan Pierce | Well, I mean, I'm sure all of them to some degree, but, you know, based on a lot of the discussions we have with various planning applications, clearly there are aspects that the sustainability commission discusses that we could definitely benefit from a greater knowledge there. And then the pedestrian bicycle commission, that obviously there's obviously conflicts with planning and pedestrian bicycle safety and vehicular safety. So, you know, if we can start to find some alignment or at least be able to share common goals somehow would be great aside from just, Except expecting that we understand what their basic mission is. |
| 00:58:43.80 | Kristina Feller | Excellent, I mean, I will note that and that the general plan, the update that that was just adopted has a lot of new and additional language surrounding sustainability and resiliency. |
| 00:58:53.49 | Nastassya Saad | industry. |
| 00:58:59.26 | Kristina Feller | Waterfronts. Marinship, you know, all of these types of things, sea level rise, And I think that more and more, there could be some information sharing, or we could... |
| 00:59:10.30 | Senior Planner Usher | Thank you. |
| 00:59:10.31 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:59:10.41 | Senior Planner Usher | Thank you. |
| 00:59:13.75 | Kristina Feller | benefit from Southern Marin fire speaking to maybe a joint commission meeting. |
| 00:59:17.92 | Senior Planner Usher | Thank you. |
| 00:59:18.02 | Vicki Nichols | . |
| 00:59:19.39 | Kristina Feller | or the like. It's not just sort of what we can gain from them, but what can we be doing together because... |
| 00:59:27.41 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:59:28.27 | Kristina Feller | We rely on these other commissions in their various remits. But yet there's a lot of intersection and overlap particularly when it comes to more environmental issues. here in our city. So I don't know if anyone has any thoughts about that. But I know that Southern Moon Fire just published their new evacuation routes, and I think that those are going to be pretty important to us and pretty important to the Sustainability Commission and probably very important to the Historic Preservation Commission as well. |
| 00:59:50.91 | Senior Planner Usher | those are the things that we're going to do. |
| 00:59:59.16 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. |
| 01:00:03.06 | Morgan Pierce | Yes. |
| 01:00:04.87 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. All right. Yes, Commissioner. |
| 01:00:09.91 | Jeffery Luxenberg | That's the goal. I think also as the planning staff tries to implement the general plan, There will be opportunities there where we'll need input for changes that will come out of the new general plan as well. |
| 01:00:27.03 | Kristina Feller | Yes. Well, and I think that part of part of what the staff and staff, please chime in here. Please feel free to put your cameras on and chime in here. But part of what we were waiting for in terms of updating our municipal code was the general plan. I mean, to really understand what the impacts of that might be and how to |
| 01:00:45.47 | Senior Planner Usher | I mean, |
| 01:00:50.16 | Kristina Feller | how to update that municipal code and I know, you know, having been involved in other task forces beyond just this commission, we have looked at other jurisdictions to see what they're doing or what their best practice might be. Mary, yes. |
| 01:01:10.28 | Mary Wagner | No, just being available in case there was a specific, a specific question. I heard you say it's staff. You can feel free to turn your cameras on. So I wanted to. make sure that I was available if he had something specific for me. |
| 01:01:22.09 | Kristina Feller | Well, I think just, you know, how we update that municipal code, it's certainly not just the planning commission that needs to weigh in on that. I think sustainability, historic, and so on. |
| 01:01:29.45 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 01:01:32.67 | Kristina Feller | need to be. a voice in there, a stakeholder in there. And that's certainly another monumental task. So... |
| 01:01:35.94 | Nastassya Saad | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:01:39.66 | Kristina Feller | All of these things, I guess, are to say that they're all connected and we all rely on these things very heavily in the remits that we have. |
| 01:01:49.64 | Mary Wagner | Yeah, absolutely. So in addition to, you know, now embarking on the housing element process in tandem, you're also going to be embarking on a pretty major zoning code update. We did that the last, so it happened in 2002 when I first started as city attorney and I kind of came in on the tail end of that major revamp and we've done some other pretty substantial reviews during the years, but this will be, as you indicated, a major revision. I haven't had a chance to coordinate with your community development director at length. You know, we've obviously talked about it, but at length and what that process is going to look like. Um, |
| 01:02:26.82 | Senior Planner Usher | Thank you. |
| 01:02:27.72 | Mary Wagner | I envision that'll probably be coming to you in various pieces for recommendations and review. I think that will make a lot more sense and be more, you know, respectful of everybody's time. But we'll definitely, you know, work on that and bring forward items to you to kind of work through what that's going to what that's going to look like. And as you indicated, you know, there's huge pieces for other boards and commissions to think about and weigh in on too. So going to definitely be a holistic holistic look. |
| 01:02:58.55 | Mary Wagner | It's very exciting. I mean, it's a lot of work and it's a little daunting, but, you know, having a new general plan, as you guys were discussing earlier, I really wanted to jump in and congratulate you as well, because it's, you know, it doesn't happen very often. And it's a great opportunity. |
| 01:03:11.18 | Kristina Feller | And it's, Well, thank you for all your help and support as well, Mary, keeping us on track. |
| 01:03:20.48 | Mary Wagner | Yeah. My pleasure. |
| 01:03:26.03 | Kristina Feller | And I guess the only other question, Mary, while we have you, I'm assuming that there is no issue with Joint Commission meetings they'll be noticed just the same as any other. Brown Act commission or if we had two or three commissions, you know, for one, special meeting of some sort, there's no issue or, boundaries or guardrails that we need to be aware of. |
| 01:03:54.98 | Mary Wagner | No, I mean, we can definitely do that. And certainly there's examples of having done that in the past, particularly with the Planning Commission and the City Council. You know, there was past practice of trying to do at least one annual joint meeting of the two bodies, If there's a need to get the Historic Preservation Commission and the Planning Commission together, we can certainly do that. Or any other of our boards and commissions put you together, hopefully someday in person again. you know, also via Zoom, we can do that too. We just have to notice them accordingly. |
| 01:04:25.77 | Kristina Feller | Okay, thank you. |
| 01:04:27.16 | Mary Wagner | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:04:29.22 | Kristina Feller | Any other thoughts or comments from the commissioners here? |
| 01:04:36.37 | Richard Graef | Well... Thank you. One. I totally support the concept of of collaboration and trading information and so on. I would hope that we wouldn't end up with, you know, Many many more meetings. in a year because we have a lot of them and then we have special meetings And so I think We just need to be judicious about it as all. |
| 01:05:08.18 | Kristina Feller | Fair point. Very good point. |
| 01:05:11.39 | Richard Graef | So, yeah, definitely. |
| 01:05:14.24 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Um, if there are no other comments from commissioners, I will again open this up for public comment and ask that anyone raise their hand. I don't think we have. public attending here that I can see, but I'll give it a minute. |
| 01:05:34.51 | Kristina Feller | All right, seeing none, I will close public comment. There's no motion needed here. Um, but I guess, uh, Senior Planner Usher that takes us to communications. And, um, Are there any city staff communications? |
| 01:05:55.28 | Senior Planner Usher | I just wanted to remind everyone of the special meeting next Wednesday on February 24th. at 6.30pm and there will be two public hearing items, one 81 Spencer and 99 Wolf Backlot 5. That's the only staff communication tonight. Thank you. |
| 01:06:18.04 | Kristina Feller | Terrific. Any communications from any commissioner at this time? Thank you. |
| 01:06:27.49 | Nastassya Saad | No. |
| 01:06:28.72 | Kristina Feller | you |
| 01:06:28.78 | Nastassya Saad | you |
| 01:06:28.81 | Kristina Feller | Yes, commissioners. |
| 01:06:29.20 | Nastassya Saad | Can I just ask a question? And if it's been since put up, excuse me, but when I checked earlier, so I don't normally download the material. I go from the agenda link. Um, And I was just wondering if those previous items that have been moved, can either be resent out or posted because I think it was pulled down since they were no longer on the agenda and I just wanted to keep reading and checking those out is that something that's possible either to get posted or sent toward the Commission. |
| 01:07:05.36 | Nastassya Saad | the wolf back and... |
| 01:07:06.93 | Mary Wagner | Absolutely. We'll either, you know, the agenda probably won't go out. What's tomorrow's Thursday already for the meeting will be posted tomorrow or Friday. But Commissioner Saad, we can certainly get you copies of documents. |
| 01:07:13.04 | Nastassya Saad | for the meeting. |
| 01:07:20.90 | Nastassya Saad | Okay. If yes, tomorrow or Friday is also good, but if it comes early, that'd be great. Thank you. |
| 01:07:29.32 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, any, anything else, any other communications from commissioners? Okay. Well, I think then I will entertain a motion for adjournment. |
| 01:07:44.27 | Morgan Pierce | some moves. |
| 01:07:50.11 | Kristina Feller | All right. All right. Macy, could you take the roll, please? Or do we all just say aye? Say aye. |
| 01:07:54.72 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 01:07:54.74 | Morgan Pierce | Say aye. Thank you. Bye. |
| 01:07:56.98 | Kristina Feller | All right. |
| 01:07:57.00 | Morgan Pierce | Hi. |
| 01:07:57.88 | Richard Graef | Aye, aye, aye. |
| 01:07:59.19 | Kristina Feller | Exactly. |
| 01:07:59.90 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. |
| 01:07:59.92 | Richard Graef | Great to see you everyone. |
| 01:08:01.35 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, everybody. Good to see you, everyone. Thank you. |
| 01:08:01.99 | Morgan Pierce | Thank you. |
| 01:08:02.03 | Richard Graef | See you next week. Yeah. Yeah. He likes to run. |
| 01:08:06.55 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:08:08.12 | Richard Graef | Good night, everybody. |
| 01:08:11.02 | Mary Wagner | Good night, Richard. |
| 01:08:12.51 | Richard Graef | Good night, Marin. |
| 01:08:13.18 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Good night, everybody. |
| 01:08:13.23 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |