| Time | Speaker | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00:04.71 | Mark Petri | We're good to go. |
| 00:00:08.37 | Kristina Feller | and let everybody in. |
| 00:00:28.87 | Kristina Feller | Okay, Maria, do we have everybody in from the waiting room? |
| 00:00:32.58 | Vicki Nichols | Everybody is in. |
| 00:00:34.34 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the regularly planned planning commission hearing of Wednesday, September 8th. And certainly welcome back from our August recess. It's good to see everybody. I hope you had a good break. Ready to get moving here this evening. Community Development Director Waylon, could you kindly call the role? |
| 00:00:56.44 | Director Whalen | Good evening, Chair Fowler and planning commissioners. This meeting is being held tonight pursuant to section three of executive order N-2920 issued by Governor Newsom on March 17th, 2020. IN EXECUTIVE ORDER. 10-08-21 issued by Governor Newsom on June 11th, 2021. And all members are joining this meeting telephonically through Zoom. And I will now call the roll. Commissioner Junius. |
| 00:01:21.27 | Jeffery Luxenberg | So, |
| 00:01:21.40 | Mark Petri | Thank you. |
| 00:01:21.99 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 00:01:23.77 | Jeffery Luxenberg | of them. |
| 00:01:24.73 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Saad? THEIR HOME. Nice trick, Raph. |
| 00:01:28.73 | Jeffery Luxenberg | And you're saying, |
| 00:01:28.96 | Mark Petri | I'm sorry. |
| 00:01:29.08 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:01:29.38 | Director Whalen | And Chair Feller. |
| 00:01:30.36 | Kristina Feller | Take care. |
| 00:01:31.22 | Director Whalen | All members are present and we have a forum. |
| 00:01:34.36 | Kristina Feller | Excellent. The next item on the agenda is to approve the agenda. Do I have a motion from one of the commissioners to approve the agenda this evening? |
| 00:01:43.73 | Jeffrey Graham | Sure, I'll move. Thank you. |
| 00:01:45.09 | Director Whalen | I'LL SECOND. Commissioner Arginius. |
| 00:01:50.19 | Andrew Junius | Yes. |
| 00:01:51.76 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 00:01:53.48 | Andrew Junius | Yes. |
| 00:01:53.78 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:01:54.31 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Asad? |
| 00:01:55.51 | Andrew Junius | Yeah. |
| 00:01:55.74 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:01:56.05 | Director Whalen | Vice Chair Graff. |
| 00:01:57.04 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:01:57.06 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 00:01:57.31 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:01:57.55 | Director Whalen | AND CHAIR FELLER. Yeah. That carries 5-0. |
| 00:02:03.08 | Kristina Feller | At this point, we are going to take public comment on any items from the public that are not on the agenda this evening. |
| 00:02:07.32 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:07.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:02:07.40 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:02:11.60 | Kristina Feller | And Director Whalen, could you provide some guidance on how the public can do so? |
| 00:02:16.28 | Director Whalen | be happy to this is the time to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on your agenda except in very limited situations state law precludes the planning commission from taking action on We're engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the commission may refer matters not on the agenda to city staff or direct that the subject be agendized for a future meeting. Video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you'd like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application under the participants list and you'll be called upon when it's your time to speak. to raise your hand from a phone, press star nine. We will allow you to unmute yourself and share your video and need to adjust your settings. So thank you for your patience We do that and please state your name for the record before beginning your comments. |
| 00:03:02.50 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Director Whalen. I am looking for any hands in the audience this evening. |
| 00:03:09.99 | Kristina Feller | Seeing none before I close, just for a point of clarity, Director Whelan, did we receive any written comment from any member of the public on items not on the agenda this evening. |
| 00:03:22.19 | Director Whalen | I don't believe we did. I will ask Maria to help me out here and make sure that nothing came in that she posted. I wasn't aware of. not that I'm aware of. I didn't receive anything, but the one that I sent this morning, that was it. Great, thank you. |
| 00:03:39.00 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. for an item on the agenda. So we will mention that later on in the hearing. So at this point, say no hands, I'm going to go ahead and close public comment. Director Whalen, let's move to the next item. |
| 00:03:54.78 | Director Whalen | And so we have next on our agenda is our approval of our draft minutes and we have minutes from We have back minutes, was able to catch up on those over the holiday here. So we have April 7th, May 19th, June 2nd, June 16th, apologies. July 7th and July 21st. Do we have any discussion about the minutes or a motion to approve? |
| 00:04:19.25 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:04:19.28 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Ginniak. |
| 00:04:20.55 | Andrew Junius | Question. I think we need to do it in two votes since I wasn't at the meetings until June, so we might want to split these up. |
| 00:04:29.02 | Director Whalen | Thank you, Chair, may I respond? Perfect. Commissioner Junius, if you have read the minutes, you are able to take action on them. You can also recuse yourself if you'd like to. It's your decision. |
| 00:04:43.78 | Andrew Junius | I'm going to recuse myself from the April and May minutes. |
| 00:04:46.47 | Director Whalen | Thank you. |
| 00:04:46.50 | Andrew Junius | Right. |
| 00:04:46.65 | Director Whalen | Thank you. |
| 00:04:46.67 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:04:48.58 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Luxenberg, you had a hand up. |
| 00:04:51.68 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes, there are a couple of corrections that are needed in a couple of the minutes. So I don't know if you want me to do that now Um, |
| 00:05:01.96 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 00:05:02.26 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. We want to motion first. |
| 00:05:04.37 | Kristina Feller | No, no, I think what I'd like is any comment, any corrections, any edits. let's go ahead and start with April 7th. Are there any comments or corrections on April 7th, meeting notes from any of the... |
| 00:05:16.39 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I don't have it in the 70s. |
| 00:05:16.40 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:05:19.64 | Kristina Feller | Seeing none, let's move to May 19. |
| 00:05:23.20 | Jeffery Luxenberg | May 19th, the footers for these minutes say May 15th, which needs to be changed to May 19th. |
| 00:05:30.78 | Kristina Feller | Director Whelan, could you make note of that Thank you. Any other comments on May 19? Let's move to June 2nd. Are there any comments on June 2nd meeting notes? Seeing none June 16. Are there any comments? The commission is on June 16. Okay, seeing none, we'll move to July 7th. Seeing none, we'll move to July 21st. |
| 00:06:01.76 | Jeffery Luxenberg | July 21st, I have two comments. This is a question of how you do minutes. If somebody says, refers to a number in the minutes, but when the signed resolution happens, it's different. I think we should make the minutes match the signed resolution. Does that make sense, Willie? For example, there are two items in this case. On page 3, 3 line 30 it says that the new condition it says number 17 but in the assigned resolution it's number 21 so I think the minutes should just say 21 even though I'm sure somebody said 17 in the meeting but that's not what got Well, I should. So in line 30, it should be number 21, not 17. And similarly, in line 38, the new condition came in at 15C instead of 18. At the meeting, we said 18, but it ended up being 15C. |
| 00:07:04.35 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Those are the only two I have. |
| 00:07:06.50 | Director Whalen | Through the chair, how I would recommend handling that is a footnote in the minutes that refer to the correct condition in the resolution so that we you know state what was stated at the meeting and then we also have a put note indicating what what the actual condition was in the adopted resolution if that's acceptable to the commission |
| 00:07:27.91 | Kristina Feller | Director Whalen, I think that sounds correct, because I believe that you're taking what was verbally said in the hearing, and if there were additional conditions as part of the resolution, that's why the numbering is off. Is that correct? |
| 00:07:41.92 | Director Whalen | That is correct. |
| 00:07:42.91 | Kristina Feller | Okay, so I think that would solve and address that issue, because I think Commissioner Luxembourg has raised a very good point here. Commissioner Luxembourg, are you satisfied with that approach? |
| 00:07:54.79 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I'm satisfied with that approach. One other comment about the footnotes They come up in the draft as blue, like they're links, but the first footnote says that you go to a certain page for the resolutions, which is a fine way to do it. So I think when you finalize these, somehow get the link coding off of the footnotes that aren't links, if you see what I'm saying. In other words, they look like links, but they're not anymore. So just change them to black or white, and then that problem goes away. |
| 00:08:32.91 | Kristina Feller | Director of Illinois. |
| 00:08:34.16 | Director Whalen | I understand. I'll go in and check for the non links that should just be regular text and, but I'll keep the, resolutions linked that should be linked. So they go directly to the adopted resolution. |
| 00:08:48.73 | Kristina Feller | Excellent, excellent. you Commissioner, thank you for that. Are there any other comments from any other commissioners on any of these six meeting notes at this time? |
| 00:08:54.23 | Unknown | Are there any |
| 00:09:02.29 | Kristina Feller | No. Okay. So I want to just recap and make note that Commissioner Junius has recused himself from April 7th and May 19th. So there will be, when we do roll call, he will be recused. Director Whalen, I want to make sure that you have the correction in the footer for May 19th. and the additional items for July 21st on page three, line 14 and number 20 in the signed resolution. and then the issue with the links as well. |
| 00:09:33.90 | Director Whalen | I have that, I wrote down something a little bit different for the July 21st issue. So maybe I'll, if Commissioner Luxenberg can repeat the corrections just to make sure I have the correct page numbers, line numbers and condition numbers. |
| 00:09:48.87 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Page three, line 30. The signed resolution is number 21, not 17. So the footnote would say, this has been changed to 21. on page three, line 38. The current draft says 18. The footnote would then say, this was actually put in at 15 C. |
| 00:10:17.76 | Director Whalen | Thank you. |
| 00:10:23.66 | Director Whalen | I got all of this. |
| 00:10:24.44 | Kristina Feller | on all of this. So let's go ahead and if you could do... If you could take a roll call, Director Whalen, on April 7th and May 19th, with the May 19th correction already affirmed by the commission. |
| 00:10:42.50 | Director Whalen | Great. Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 00:10:47.36 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:10:48.42 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Saad. |
| 00:10:50.23 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:10:51.14 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Junius is recusing. And Vice Chair Graff. Yeah. Chair Fetler. That carries a four zero one on the modified minutes for April 7th and then May 19th. |
| 00:11:06.93 | Kristina Feller | Excellent. And Director Whelan, could you also do a roll call for June 2nd, June 16th, July 7th. and July 21st was the amended dose that we just reviewed again. Thank you. for the commissioner. |
| 00:11:20.62 | Director Whalen | COMMISSIONER JUNIUS. DESPITE. Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 00:11:24.48 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:11:25.09 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Saad. Thank you. Yes. Vice Chair Graf. |
| 00:11:28.29 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 00:11:29.05 | Director Whalen | and Chair Feller. Thank you. |
| 00:11:30.67 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 00:11:39.40 | Director Whalen | All right. |
| 00:11:43.57 | Director Whalen | You would like to move on to agenda item five now, Chair Feller? |
| 00:11:47.57 | Kristina Feller | Yes, let's do that. |
| 00:11:49.89 | Director Whalen | Great. Thank you. Just make an announcement that we will be moving this item, which is a special presentation from our EDAC, from the EDAC subcommittee. on the Economic Development Advisory Committee's retail and business retention strategy, will be heard on the 22nd for your next meeting here. So we will, we can move swiftly along to our public hearing items, if that's okay with the commission. |
| 00:12:16.39 | Kristina Feller | Amen. Hold on, Dr. Whelan. The presentation that EDAC was asked to to provide us was in a retention strategy. It was what is their retail and business strategy, meaning what for all of Sausalito. not just downtown. Um, recognizing that there are different areas in Sausalito that have different retail and business needs and ordinances. and we had asked them, at the beginning of the year, And again, on the July 28th hearing to report back to us and provide us with a presentation on what that strategy is what that proper retail and business mix is, the ideal And so it wasn't necessarily retention, it was just a strategy. |
| 00:13:07.37 | Director Whalen | Okay, I will communicate that to the EDAC subcommittee that will be giving the presentation. |
| 00:13:13.76 | Kristina Feller | Great, thank you. Thank you very much. OK, why don't we move into the public hearing at this time, |
| 00:13:21.88 | Director Whalen | Great, so before we begin our public hearing items, this is the time for any commissioners to provide declarations regarding expert communications. |
| 00:13:31.79 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Judy. |
| 00:13:33.58 | Andrew Junius | Thank you, Chair Feller. following the date I was appointed to the commission but prior to being seated I met with Peter Petri and visited the site, the project that is on the calendar today. Bridgeway. |
| 00:13:52.90 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 00:13:54.85 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I have not obviously visited a site, but I have not had any expert or any conversations with anybody connected with the |
| 00:14:03.78 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Commissioner Sun. |
| 00:14:06.06 | Nastassya Saad | Same as Commissioner Luxembourg, I visited the site, no ex parte communications. |
| 00:14:10.92 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Vice Chair Graff. |
| 00:14:13.35 | Richard Graef | No ex parte communication. |
| 00:14:16.59 | Kristina Feller | And I as well know that Partey Communications. |
| 00:14:24.64 | Kristina Feller | So Director Marilyn, let's go ahead into our first item. |
| 00:14:28.72 | Director Whalen | Great, so our first item is the 719-725 Bridgeway project at the Langston building. And this project was scheduled for this hearing and is being requested by the applicant to be continued to a date certain to the September 22nd WITHOUT A STAFF PRESENTATION. |
| 00:14:51.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:14:51.40 | Director Whalen | and staff is in support of that and didn't provide a staff report to you this evening, just a memo requesting the continuance. And so our recommendation is to continue this item to the September 22nd hearing. and take public comment if there's anyone in the audience that wants to make a public comment. take public comment and then continue. |
| 00:15:11.92 | Kristina Feller | THE FAMILY. Just a question of clarification before I open this up for public comment. I'm just assuming that our agenda can accommodate this item for the September 22nd hearing. |
| 00:15:27.51 | Director Whalen | Yes, it can. We had one item that moved into October I think we actually had two items that moved into October. So we do have a full agenda for the 22nd, but, not a midnight agenda. |
| 00:15:43.45 | Kristina Feller | And just for clarification on, for the record here in this hearing, will you be re-noticing for the September 22nd appearing to interested parties within a 300 foot or 500 foot radius. |
| 00:15:58.50 | Director Whalen | We were not planning on doing that. If the commission continues to date certain tonight, there's no obligation for us to re-notice the notices tonight at the commission's request the commission's continuance, if the commission would like re-notice for for a particular reason, and we could definitely talk about that tonight right now. |
| 00:16:19.10 | Kristina Feller | I just want to make sure there's clarification for those who are pending tonight who might have expected to hear this. that we know it's been clarified here on the record. So that was the purpose of the question. Okay. Any other questions of staff from any of the commissioners regarding this matter before I open it up for public comment? Okay. Let's go ahead and open this up for public comment. If you could please raise your hand in the Zoom application or star nine from your telephone. Give everyone a moment. Seeing no hands in the audience here, I'll go ahead and close public comment. And Director Whalen, let's go ahead to our next item in our public hearing. |
| 00:17:09.00 | Director Whalen | Great, so this next item here is item 6B, which is a request for a |
| 00:17:15.18 | Mary Wagner | I apologize, Community Development Director Whalen. Did we get a motion? We didn't, sorry. Yes, thank you. |
| 00:17:18.40 | Director Whalen | Oh, we didn't, sorry. STATE. |
| 00:17:20.09 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. Move to continue. |
| 00:17:22.77 | Mary Wagner | The date certain of September 14 days from today, which is? 22nd. 22nd, thank you. |
| 00:17:22.84 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:17:28.76 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:17:29.84 | Director Whalen | Thank you. |
| 00:17:30.11 | Mary Wagner | Thanks, Mary. |
| 00:17:31.12 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Mary, for catching my error. I see Commissioner Junius has made a motion. Can I have a second? |
| 00:17:37.59 | Director Whalen | Welcome. |
| 00:17:38.53 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much. Let's call the roll. |
| 00:17:41.74 | Director Whalen | COMMISSIONER SAID. Yes. Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 00:17:45.82 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:17:46.40 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Junius. Vice Chair Graf. |
| 00:17:47.73 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:17:49.18 | Director Whalen | And Chair Fowler. |
| 00:17:49.27 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 00:17:49.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:17:50.95 | Director Whalen | Yes. Great, that carries five zero to continue the Langston project to the September 22nd meeting of the Planning Commission. All right, moving on here to item 6B, which is a request for a design review permit, encouragement agreement, and minor use permit for exterior changes to the structure at 12L Portals, 690 Bridgeway, and also expanded sidewalk dining. And we have interim planner Jeffrey Graham, who will be giving the presentation this evening. Welcome, Jeffrey. You're still here. Oh, you are. There you are. |
| 00:18:25.61 | Jeffrey Graham | Thank you. I'm going to share my screen. |
| 00:18:34.02 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:34.09 | Jeffrey Graham | Okay. |
| 00:18:34.51 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:18:36.06 | Jeffrey Graham | And |
| 00:18:36.79 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:18:41.49 | Jeffrey Graham | Okay. All right. Good evening. Planning Commissioners. Tonight's project is for a design review permit, minor use permit, and encroachment agreement. for the property at 12 El Portal and 690 Bridgeway. The site is located on the corner of El Portal and Bridgeway. just south. of Viña Del Mar Park. This the building the existing building is listed as a contributor to the downtown Salt Slavo Historic District More information on the building's history can be found in the historic resource evaluation for the property. which is attachment six within the staff Well, As mentioned previously, the application includes a design review permit to modify the existing exterior of the existing building storefronts. A minor use permit for outdoor dining located within an expanded public sidewalk along El Portal. and an encroachment agreement for outdoor sidewalk seating guardrail. projecting awnings and freestanding planter boxes in the city's right of way. |
| 00:20:07.52 | Jeffrey Graham | Just to give a brief, background or project history. I'm not sure. The applicant was, or the application for this project was submitted. on May 6th of this year. Following that on July 22nd, the Historic Preservation Commission reviewed and approved, unanimously approved a certificate of appropriateness for the project That's included in the staff report. for it as attachment three. And on August 27th of this year, a public hearing notice was posted on the site And, I, A notice was mailed to all property owners and residents within 300 feet of the project site. All correspondence that was received is included within the project agenda. |
| 00:21:02.26 | Jeffrey Graham | So just to give a brief description regarding the structure, It was built in around 1960. I'm sorry, 1916. From its various remodels, the ground floor exteriors have no historic integrity or historic architectural significance. The existing building contains two ground floor retail tenant spaces that are included in the scope of work. the former restaurant Cafe Tutti. So, the art gallery space. Petri Gallery. is only open by appointment and will be rented to a new gallery operator in the future. on the next slides I have pictures of the existing conditions Um, This is the West facade. and street corner to the right. |
| 00:21:59.99 | Jeffrey Graham | And we also have the partial north facade for both El Portal and Bridgeway. |
| 00:22:13.58 | Jeffrey Graham | Okay, so here is the... elevation. for the proposed exterior facade. The applicant is proposing to renovate exterior storefronts on the ground floor of the Cafe and the Art Gallery. Scope of work includes extending the windows that are on the exterior The app plan is also proposing to install four rolls roll-up awnings, over the cafe outdoor cafe seating. and add sidewalk dining for the cafe. |
| 00:22:57.61 | Jeffrey Graham | And here, is the exterior facade. Um, along Broadway. As you can see here, there is signage within the elevation. Signage is not included in this application and would need to be obtained via a signed permit that would need to be approved or reviewed and approved by both the Historic Preservation Committee and Planning Commission at a later date. |
| 00:23:32.35 | Jeffrey Graham | Here is the proposed site plan. for the project. |
| 00:23:41.26 | Jeffrey Graham | For the sidewalk dining, the minor use permit the minor use permit before the sidewalk dining. It includes 36 seats and 10 tables in the public right-of-way. The applicant also, is proposing to serve beer and wine within the cafe and within the sidewalk dining area. which requires a conditional use permit. However, conditional use permit for for beer and wine consumption was not submitted at this time. this aspect is not included in this application. A conditional use permit would need to be submitted in the future for this. for this use. |
| 00:24:31.75 | Jeffrey Graham | the encroachment permit. It includes sidewalk seating. outdoor sidewalk seating, two wrought iron guardrails, four retractable awnings and 10 freestanding planter boxes in the public right of way. Staff would like to note that Um, that the planner boxes in the exterior lights Um... as shown on sheets A100 and A200. are not part of the project features considered by the historic preservation. the committee but are part of the entitlement and the other side of the board. from the Planning Commission. um, If these items are approved by the Planning Commission tonight, they will be formally approved, formally approved upon review and approval of a certificate of appropriateness by the Historic Preservation Committee Commission Uh, if the historic preservation The Commission denies a certificate of appropriateness. or if design or location changes are made to the planner boxes and or exterior lights. These items shall be reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission through a modification to the design a review permit. A condition of approval has been included in the draft resolution that specifies this process. |
| 00:26:03.31 | Jeffrey Graham | So for the required findings, the The findings are outlined in the staff report. Um, There are 13 findings for a design review. Um, And staff was able to make all of these findings. Two of the highlights include The finding to. The proposed architectural architecture and site design complements the surrounding neighborhood and or district by either maintaining the prevailing design character or introducing a distinctive and creative solution. And staff was able to make the determination that the proposed design maintains the prevailing design character of this downtown historic character as confirmed by the approval of the certificate of appropriateness. And for finding number six, the proposed landscaping provides appropriate visual relief complements the building and structures on site |
| 00:27:07.47 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:27:08.81 | Jeffrey Graham | Staff was able to make the determination that the entryway into the outdoor dining area and leading into the main entrance of the restaurant. is enhanced by I'm not sure. The plants within the planter uh, the planters. I'm not sure. Combined with the proposed wrought iron guard rail, These landscape elements visually enhance both the streetscape and the building's facade. |
| 00:27:41.17 | Jeffrey Graham | for the minor use permit. findings staff was able to make these determination. with the Um, with that. one of the highlights being, um, I THINK THAT'S A which is listed here on slide. |
| 00:28:08.68 | Jeffrey Graham | And regarding the encroachment agreement findings, staff was also able to make all five required findings. Another highlight being finding C. |
| 00:28:31.02 | Jeffrey Graham | So staff recommends that the planning commission approve the attached draft resolution. um, and the alternatives. that Planning Commission may take are also outlined in this slide as well. |
| 00:28:57.14 | Jeffrey Graham | And this concludes my presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions that you may have. I'm not sure. The applicant is also here to answer any questions as well. Thank you. |
| 00:29:08.82 | Kristina Feller | Jeffrey. Thank you for a really excellent presentation and you're all those points with us. So thank you very much for that. Let's go ahead and stop screen here for just a moment. and I'd like to ask the commissioners, any questions? So, I mean. |
| 00:29:37.90 | Kristina Feller | All of you. Maybe I'll just call on you. Commissioner Luxenberg, do you have any questions for staff? |
| 00:29:44.29 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. First, Jeffrey, thank you for your well-prepared SNAP report. I thought it was excellent. And thank you for the revised draft resolution that you sent out today, which incorporated some of the changes. I won't go through those questions, but I do have two follow-on questions. One is related to signage for the building. I do understand that you indicated signage is coming later I think that we should add a condition if other commissioners agree to this application approval that indicates that the signage when it comes in needs to be consistent I'm seeing two issues one is the cafe sign and the gallery sign are different sizes and different types. So it would be nice to have them the same. I also see that the Tenant to the left, which is also part of the building, which is the Chamber of Commerce Visitor Center, has recently added a bunch of signs. And I think it would be good if the signage for that long term, maybe the applicant can talk to this, would be also in the sign band like the others, where it would say, you know, Chamber of Commerce Visitor Center, rather than the four signs that they have attached to awnings. And I don't know if those are temporary or not. So that was my first question. The second is you indicated on the site plan that there's this one loading space, which I don't have an issue with, which would be on El Porto at Bridgeway. But currently the water flows from Bridgeway down into a catch basin at the end of El Porto. And there's gonna be this sidewalk in the middle. I know any water hidden in that extension will get to that catch base and I'm worried in front of where that one loading space is whether water will pool if they don't slope the curbs properly or whatever. So I don't know if that's a question for you or public works or for the applicant, but I just want to make sure that they design that so that no water has been pooling in that loading space. So I don't know if those are for you or for the applicant, but if you comment, that would be great. |
| 00:32:03.31 | Jeffrey Graham | Sure. Regarding your first question, I think that staff would prefer when the sign comes in to add that condition. because there's no signage included in this. in this project right at this moment. Um, As far as the second question, I would defer to the applicant or Public Works for that one. |
| 00:32:27.37 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Okay, thank you very much. I do think this is a great project for Sausalito as well as the downtown area. I think it'll be an asset to the area. |
| 00:32:37.80 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Commissioner Luxenberg. Can I just ask a follow-on clarification question to Commissioner Luxenberg regarding the signage understanding that the signage is not part of the application this evening. can we condition that the entire signage package for this whole property be submitted at once rather than one signage package for one tenant and one for another, can you condition that? |
| 00:33:08.23 | Director Whalen | Jeffrey, do you want me to? |
| 00:33:09.34 | Jeffrey Graham | Yes, please. |
| 00:33:11.84 | Director Whalen | Thank you, Chair Feller. Um, since I think that you can, you can state to the property owner that that's your preference. I don't, um, I don't think that it would be wise to add that as a condition as all the tenants might come in at separate times when they're securing their use permits to establish their businesses. So requiring all the tenants to come in at one time with a uniform signage might be onerous if some of the tenants have not been secured. to date? The applicant might have some more information to share about when the tenants would be coming into the buildings or their plans for Um, you know, signage and consistency with signage throughout the building facade. So they might have some more information on that. but a wholesale condition that all applications need to come in at the same time for signage on that building. I'm not sure. might not work for how the tenants will be populated. THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:34:13.95 | Kristina Feller | of a follow-up questions or clarification? |
| 00:34:18.71 | Andrew Junius | Yeah. Thank you. THE FEDERAL. Thank you. I mean, but we can, imposed like a requirement for a, basically like a signage program, I mean, I totally, completely agree. We need to bring, we'd like to do this once, right? everything that's related to this building i think commissioner luxembourg makes a great point So what I think we should do is ask him to prepare a signage program that's going to apply to everybody. So we just approve it once and as long as the You know, the signage that comes in, I totally agree. as tenants come in as long as they're I'm not going to be and improve those administratively. Thank you. |
| 00:34:55.87 | Andrew Junius | Commissioner Luxembourg, does that work for you? |
| 00:34:57.85 | Jeffery Luxenberg | That works for me. I think that's what we did on Princess Street, where they approved the signage program, and then each tenant will come in later with an individual application, which could be ministerially approved. So I think the signage program would be... strongly encouraged as part of the sign-up. I agree. |
| 00:35:19.26 | Kristina Feller | So, Jeffrey, could we ask you just to make note of that, and Director Whalen, just to make note of that that element of those comments. We'll come back to that once we hear from the applicant deliberate and so on and so forth. But let's just make a footnote about that at this time. Thank you, Commissioner Luxenberg. Commissioner Junius, do you have any questions for staff? Mr. Saad. |
| 00:35:49.65 | Nastassya Saad | None for staff. Thank you. |
| 00:35:51.05 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Vice Chair Graham. |
| 00:35:53.45 | Richard Graef | No questions for staff. |
| 00:35:56.25 | Kristina Feller | I do, Jeffrey, just if you can go back and just clarify a couple things. the new sidewalk and what the area is that the pedestrians would still have, what that clearance area is, past the encroachment that they would have, or safe movement on a sidewalk. |
| 00:36:19.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:36:21.61 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. So what are those depths and lengths that we're talking about there? Just for clarification on the record here, |
| 00:36:29.06 | Mark Petri | Sure, let me look into that for you. |
| 00:36:36.09 | Kristina Feller | And while you're doing that, maybe I can ask Director Whelan to assist with one other. I just, before we open. Amen. I just want to make sure you're here. any correspondence that we've received from the public by the time this hearing started or by the cutoff time, whichever that is, so that this commission is aware that we have all comments on the record at this time. |
| 00:37:04.31 | Director Whalen | you. |
| 00:37:04.48 | Kristina Feller | confirm what those are. |
| 00:37:06.99 | Director Whalen | the public comments that have been submitted for this project, I'll have to pull them up from the agenda, but I'm happy to do that. |
| 00:37:13.40 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, I wanna try to read those in just to make sure going forward, we tend to get a lot of really late mail that we don't all always see. Thank you. |
| 00:37:21.01 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:37:21.13 | Kristina Feller | I want to make sure that we put that on the record as we go through any of these hearings going forward. |
| 00:37:27.66 | Director Whalen | So course, once it came in after the publication of the agenda, it looks like, A letter from A member of the EDAC. And then the staffs, staff's memo from today. Those are the two items. |
| 00:37:51.12 | Kristina Feller | OK, and all of that's posted up for the public to see. Thank you. |
| 00:37:54.75 | Director Whalen | Correct. |
| 00:37:55.49 | Kristina Feller | Great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Hey, Jeffries. |
| 00:38:00.84 | Jeffrey Graham | Right. Sidewalk is five feet. and it's a foot wider than the required 48. inch minimum path. |
| 00:38:11.01 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:38:11.03 | Jeffrey Graham | or Uh, Oh. I didn't get that. I just have the web. I'm sorry. |
| 00:38:17.24 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:38:17.97 | Kristina Feller | Bye. |
| 00:38:23.18 | Kristina Feller | And the reason I'm asking is sometimes this area can get really congested because it's so close to the ferry. And obviously, you know, there's a lot of desire to move into the program. public right of way. for outdoor seating, not just because we have beautiful, wonderful weather here in Sausalito, and it's lovely to look out at the view. but obviously because of COVID |
| 00:38:45.00 | Unknown | of COVID-19. |
| 00:38:47.16 | Kristina Feller | So I just wanted to make sure that we're not inadvertently creating some kind of congestion in an area that We do have cars kind of pulling around that corner rather fast. |
| 00:39:42.82 | Kristina Feller | um well jeffrey is looking at uh are there any other questions um other than this last one from Okay. |
| 00:39:51.37 | Andrew Junius | I did have one. At some point I will ask Jeffrey to go back to that issue regarding there are pieces of the project that were not apparently reviewed by the HPC. the planter boxes and I think the railings and some ballards or something like that and I think I'm looking at the right condition, condition A, but I'm kind of confused as to who's ultimately got the authority through that condition. So I'd like to, we'll talk about that. when Jeffrey's writing, |
| 00:40:23.97 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, that's a great question. |
| 00:40:26.88 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Ingenius, if you'd like me to weigh in on that while Jeffrey's looking at the other question. So my understanding is that HPC didn't have the details that they wanted, needed in order to include the I think they're the planter boxes and the lighting in their certificate of appropriateness. So they requested the applicant come back for a certificate of appropriateness for those items, those specific items. And the applicant has provided details of those items to the planning commission. And so to expedite this permit, we were suggesting that if the commission is comfortable with the design of those items this evening, and you'd like to include those in your approval of the design review permit, You can. However, what the condition is saying is that those items still need to go back for review by the HPC. If the HPC says, looks good just the way the planning commission approved them then they don't need to come back to the planning commission If there are changes to requested changes by the HPC, or if it's denied, this certificate appropriateness, then the project would come back to you as a modification of the designer view permit. |
| 00:41:42.83 | Andrew Junius | Okay, I got that. One additional question. In looking at that condition A, wasn't there three things? I thought there were the planters, the lighting and the railings, or there's some kind of a, about wrought iron fence or something. Yeah, the guard rail, should that be included in there as well? |
| 00:41:59.67 | Director Whalen | Most likely I will look at Jeffrey here though. to see if there's a reason why I was excluded. |
| 00:42:05.12 | Jeffrey Graham | The guardrail is not included. It's just part of the encroachment. government. Yeah. the STORED PRESERVATION COMMISSION EXCLUDED the signage which requires a totally different application Um, the planner boxes and the lights are included with this planning commission application. It just has to go back and forth of the historic preservation commission. if that makes sense. |
| 00:42:35.34 | Andrew Junius | Did the HBC approve the railings though? |
| 00:42:37.94 | Jeffrey Graham | Yes. |
| 00:42:38.53 | Andrew Junius | So that's going to be done. Okay. If we approve the railings, that part's done. Right. |
| 00:42:42.06 | Jeffrey Graham | Yeah. |
| 00:42:42.11 | Andrew Junius | I'm sorry. |
| 00:42:43.07 | Kristina Feller | and, And just a follow on again, clarification to Professor Junius, is it just the lighting in the planner boxes? that has to go back to HPC, or is it any of the exterior lighting? |
| 00:42:57.76 | Jeffrey Graham | It's all the exterior lighting. |
| 00:42:59.53 | Kristina Feller | All of it. |
| 00:43:00.57 | Jeffrey Graham | Yeah. Mm-hmm. and I apologize. I apologize, the plan that I have isn't to scale. I'm having difficulty giving you an accurate number, but what I can tell you, is that the proposed sidewalk cafe is about along the sidewalk is 45 feet. from end to end. |
| 00:43:30.61 | Jeffrey Graham | And that takes up the majority of that bump out. area. |
| 00:43:37.26 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Jeffrey, |
| 00:43:38.39 | Jeffrey Graham | You're welcome. |
| 00:43:38.81 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:43:40.63 | Kristina Feller | applicant and applicant's architect is here and hopefully they can maybe give us a little bit more detail on that. Well, thank you. Thank you for that. Commissioner Saad, I saw you raise a hand as well. Did you have questions for staff? |
| 00:43:55.77 | Nastassya Saad | No, I think it was answered in that discussion. Thank you, Chair Feller. |
| 00:44:00.02 | Kristina Feller | Okay, anybody else have any questions? Okay, Mr. Luxenberg. |
| 00:44:04.39 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Just a follow on to your concern about the length of people walking around the corner of Bridgeway and El Portal, as we all know, is very congested, a lot of people, especially on weekends. So I did throw out the idea that uh one way to address and it would also solve the drainage issue would be just to widen the sidewalk all the way to bridgeway which would allow uh for all the people that gather on that corner and when people turn right on the al portal they won't possibly turn into the uh candy to the loading space and then go into the street it would be very clear i don't know that maybe the loading space is more of a priority. So but I do throw that out idea out there because if this was to be addressed, this would be the time. So I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other on it. |
| 00:44:44.98 | Unknown | but I do throw |
| 00:44:55.19 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you for that. Um, Do we also know, Director Whelan or Jeffrey, if the concrete barriers across Elk Portal are permanent Or is the city planning to put something else in that location that the reason I ask, although it's outside of the purview of this particular project, I know that they're there to stop. people walking, you know, just walking in the middle of the street back and forth and using a crosswalk. instead, and I just want to make sure if we're expanding this for the whole area for Dining that it's not further encouraging that type of you know kind of walking in the middle of the street there So we are concerned about public safety. |
| 00:45:41.53 | Director Whalen | Chair Feller, I don't know the answer to that question. I'd be happy to coordinate with Public Works and PD about plans for that area and get back to the commission through a one-way communication. |
| 00:45:53.47 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:45:53.53 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:45:53.57 | Kristina Feller | I'm going to go to the Thank you. |
| 00:45:55.25 | Director Whalen | you |
| 00:45:56.75 | Kristina Feller | Okay seeing no other hands raised by the commissioners let's go ahead and ask our applicant to present to us this evening. And you'll have 15 minutes for your presentation. And if the commission at any time stops you to ask questions, the timer will stop and we won't count that time against you. And please let us know ahead of time if you want to reserve any time for any further presentation or clarifications after we take public comment. So Mr. Rex, are you presenting for the applicant this evening? |
| 00:46:36.81 | Michael Rex | Yes, I am. |
| 00:46:36.94 | Kristina Feller | I am. Welcome this evening, good to see you. Zoom team does Mr. Rex have the ability to share his screen? |
| 00:46:49.13 | Kristina Feller | Make sure you do. And Maria, if we could also please, if you could show the timer, that would be helpful as well. |
| 00:47:04.06 | Kristina Feller | So Mr. Rex, can you share your screen now? |
| 00:47:07.47 | Michael Rex | Yes, hi, I'm Michael Rex, architect. I'm here representing the property owner who's with us tonight, Pete Petrie. He's representing the building owner, which is corporation. and We have, it's quite an honor to be able to participate in the enhancement of this fine building downtown. I think it's one of the most prominent buildings in our historic district. It's amazing to the extent that the second floor has been changed so little And yet as so common, the ground floor has been altered drastically. And this is an opportunity to improve it. And that's what we're proposing. We have a great team. We started with historical architect Mark Holbert, who did all the historic analysis and determined what has historic value and guided the design that you see tonight. Dan McGee on my team has, my staff has prepared all the drawings. And, And I want to thank us city staff, Louie's been great, Jeffrey, Graham, thanks for your very clear staff report. You came in kind of late on this, so it came up to speed very quickly. And Kevin McGowan from the Department of Public Works has been helping guide the solution because it involves a portion of the street. um, The tenants, as you heard, Petri Gallery is only open for appointment. Cafe Tutti's been vacant for quite a while. The other tenant is the Chamber of Commerce that moved in recently at the Far East End. And the goal is to have some new tenants that can bring style and quality to this heart of our town. The gallery will no longer be Petri Gallery, but Ian Ellie, he's a photographer, and this will be his private personal gallery to show his own work. He does very large and colorful photography and he's requested a large amount of windows so people can see and appreciate his artwork. The Cafe Tutti will be under a new owner, or tenant, I should say. Jody Harris, he's here tonight. He can maybe answer some questions. I think he would like to speak. We're very excited about having his involvement. His architect, Steven Sutro is a very high-end quality architect. I think the interiors will be as exciting as the exterior. Um, Our goals have been to preserve the historic value of the building, honor its heritage, to strengthen it structurally. We found that it has deficiencies to resist earthquake and enliven the street as best we can. and create more vitality and have tenants that provide quality products that would benefit not just residents, but the visitors too. So I'm gonna share a screen here and walk you very quickly through a short slideshow. There we go. Let's see here, share screen. I'm not able to Share the screen. |
| 00:51:00.33 | Kristina Feller | Zoom team, can we stop the timer? Can you please allow Mr. Rex to share his screen? |
| 00:51:09.47 | Director Whalen | We will and so planning commissioners, we're having a little bit of a technical issue here at city hall. So I am going to, Try to take over. WITH PERMISSIONS. And I don't have the ability to, Maria. I'm not able to let Mr. Rex share his screen. Let's... |
| 00:51:35.55 | Unknown | Let me try. |
| 00:51:37.69 | Director Whalen | I don't think you're going to be able to either. Um, Maria? Thank you. |
| 00:51:46.45 | Unknown | and even unmute myself. |
| 00:51:46.62 | Director Whalen | even unmute myself. Thank you. There you are, you can unmute yourself. So how did you unmute yourself? Do you see the unmute button? Do you see all your buttons back? Thank you. |
| 00:51:56.05 | Maria | I'm like, No. |
| 00:51:57.05 | Director Whalen | I can't see your buttons back. |
| 00:51:57.87 | Maria | No. |
| 00:52:01.92 | Director Whalen | OKAY. |
| 00:52:02.23 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:52:02.26 | Director Whalen | Thank you. Mr. Rex, did you upload your presentation to the presentation folder? the applicant presentation folder. |
| 00:52:10.11 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 00:52:10.12 | Maria | Now, |
| 00:52:10.51 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 00:52:10.97 | Director Whalen | I'm not sure. Um. |
| 00:52:13.82 | Maria | I could. I think. I could forward it to |
| 00:52:20.23 | Director Whalen | Yeah, if you could email it. |
| 00:52:20.94 | Maria | email it. Why? |
| 00:52:23.03 | Michael Rex | forwarded to Jeffrey. Okay, I'll do that straight away. That would be the only way to close it. That'll take just a moment. |
| 00:52:30.80 | Director Whalen | Not here. |
| 00:52:32.94 | Michael Rex | I'm going to go ahead and |
| 00:52:33.55 | Director Whalen | because I'm running in the middle. I'm gonna put you on mute again, Maria. Okay. |
| 00:52:40.55 | Michael Rex | One second, please. |
| 00:52:43.08 | Kristina Feller | We're just taking a quick technical break here. For anybody who is listening in. |
| 00:52:46.36 | Unknown | to be able to do it. |
| 00:52:47.33 | Maria | I'm pretty. So we can get |
| 00:52:52.85 | Kristina Feller | Um, applicant the ability to present so please bear with us for just a moment |
| 00:53:13.71 | Maria | Okay, Jeffrey? |
| 00:53:18.96 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 00:53:18.97 | Michael Rex | Yes. Thank you. |
| 00:53:19.57 | Maria | Don't look out. |
| 00:53:19.97 | Michael Rex | for the email. I'm sending it now. AT THE SAME TIME. Thank you. |
| 00:53:30.62 | Maria | Okay, I just sent it to you. |
| 00:53:31.80 | Unknown | I'm glad it's true. |
| 00:53:36.57 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:53:36.59 | Maria | It's a PDF. |
| 00:53:39.01 | Kristina Feller | Excellent. Director Whelan, as Jeffrey is pulling that out of his email for Mr. Rex, we also should quite go back and get the timer in. in good stead here allow the applicant to present within their time |
| 00:53:53.43 | Unknown | Yep. Thank you. |
| 00:53:57.79 | Kristina Feller | And if we can project that timer so everyone can see that That would be great. There we go. |
| 00:54:08.69 | Kristina Feller | 1208 there. |
| 00:54:09.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:54:13.82 | Kristina Feller | And if we will not restart that till we know, we can get your presentation up on the screen. So thank you everybody for Your patience and bearing with us, we will get this up here in just a moment. |
| 00:54:38.86 | Kristina Feller | and Mr. Rexwell, they are doing that. You mentioned a couple other folks from your team would like to speak as well. I wanna make sure that we know who that is and they have the ability to unmute themselves while we're taking a technical break here. Could you let us know who that might be? |
| 00:54:58.49 | Michael Rex | Um, The only one that is directly part of our team would be Pete Petrie, if he chooses to speak. I mentioned Jody Harris, a tenant. He'd be speaking as a separate, he's not part of the application, but, He might be available for questions because I see that he joined us. And, um, Mark Petri is also with us tonight, but I'm not expecting him to speak. And as part of member of the public, I think Julie from the chamber is here tonight. |
| 00:55:40.54 | Kristina Feller | Thank you for letting us know so that the Zoom team has a heads up. on who to be unmuting and let's just confirm and make sure, Director Whelan, that you have those abilities |
| 00:55:51.25 | Unknown | that. |
| 00:55:54.11 | Kristina Feller | their application to when and if they would like to |
| 00:56:00.59 | Director Whalen | I do have those abilities. I just don't have the ability to make anyone a co-host, unfortunately. So yes, I can handle that. |
| 00:56:06.27 | Jeffrey Graham | Thank you. |
| 00:56:06.29 | Maria | So- Okay, I got it. Okay, well done. Thank you, Jeffrey. |
| 00:56:10.24 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Right. Thank you. |
| 00:56:13.58 | Director Whalen | Bye. |
| 00:56:13.60 | Kristina Feller | you Jeffrey, so let's go ahead and get that ready to present. I believe, let's see, 12 minutes, eight seconds on the clock. But let's go ahead and Mr. Rex, you tell us when you're ready. |
| 00:56:27.33 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 00:56:27.37 | Michael Rex | Yeah, not quite. I gotta get a little organized. It's a little different than what I expected. Hang on one second here. Uh... Bum, bum. Well... Yeah, I can't see my whole presentation, but that's It's probably okay. Exit full screen. Ah, okay, here we are. |
| 00:56:47.65 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:56:47.94 | Maria | Okay, here we are. |
| 00:56:49.56 | Michael Rex | All right, we can start the clock. Thank you very much. |
| 00:56:49.66 | Maria | All right. |
| 00:56:53.83 | Michael Rex | Um, Well, just a week ago, we found this photo. We think shortly after the building was completed, the building was built in 1916. You can tell by the automobiles that this had to be soon thereafter. You can see pilasters down at the east end. We don't see pilasters at the west end And there's two of these plasters that remain, at least the capitals remain, and I'll show you that in a minute. Almost no change whatsoever to the second floor. There used to be transom windows above and a little purple wall at the bottom. But the building had a lot of glass. Next slide. Okay, here's the original drawing of the building. And you can see the plasters at the east end, no plasters at the west. The corner was open here. You can see it in this photo. This is from a movie in 1938. And it was a Rexall drag on the corner, all glass and a small little skirt at the bottom, all storefront windows. And it had a corner column that was freestanding. And then at the far end, you can see the pilasters. Okay, next slide. This next slide shows the corner open. and we'd like to restore this open corner. That should help congestion at that corner because the building comes to a very sharp point and everybody has to squeeze around it. So by opening, moving the entry to the corner and restoring this open portion should help enhance the circulation, but also it restores a portion of the original building. Next slide, please. Here you can see what the corner looks like today. Gene Heller enclosed it with small windows. Apparently he wanted his men's clothing store to be more private. The gallery wants just the opposite. They want to show off the work instead of hide it. It has little light fixtures on the exterior. We think they're kind of small and mousy. We want to keep this emergency exit you see here but we want to restore the transom windows that were removed in addition to restore the open corner. Okay, next slide. And Cafe Tutti, actually, I was the architect for Cafe Tutti probably 20 years ago. It's fun to be involved again. We basically want to keep the openings where they are, keep the entry where it is, but bring the windows all the way down to the sidewalk. and make them operable doors. So the interior and exterior can flow together. However, there's not enough shear walls on this building, and so we want to put a concrete shear wall at each end of Cafe Tutti. and one at the very far south end of the gallery. Next slide. Oh, and here you can see on each side of the hotel entry are the pilasters. The first one on the left is the original location. The one on the right was moved. to widen the entry to the hotel. and it has, these Corinthian columns at the top. Those are the only, we think those are original. Next slide. |
| 01:00:28.70 | Michael Rex | Okay, and then you can see the rest of the facade. We'd like to repeat the plasters on each side of the windows at the Chamber of Commerce stores, so we can keep that rhythm going. Next slide. This is the existing drawing just showing the ground floor, and you can see when you put it to graphics, it's kind of all over the map. Proportions are pretty horrible. It's not as attractive as it could be. This is an opportunity to enhance it. Next slide. |
| 01:01:07.26 | Michael Rex | So this is what we're proposing. And we started with the historic guidelines and followed them as best we could, which call for store windows right up to the sidewalk, transom windows above display windows, a small little wall at the base, and We're restoring the corner entry with the freestanding column. We're keeping the tablature. You see the concrete share wall on the right side of the gallery with a decorative light fixture on that blank wall. And then you can see the new concrete share walls on each side of Café Tutti. But the pilasters will now wrap all the way around the building. and we're gonna keep the two original blasters at the hotel. but we didn't wanna replicate them. Mark felt that we shouldn't be building something new that pretends to look old. So what we did was we followed the details of the building. We didn't have to look far for a model. The second floor is a very simple detailing with light cream banding. And so the capitals or the pilasters will have a very similar band at the base. And then the capital will be a simple band at the top. There'll be stucco pilasters and they'll look like, I think for the first time this building will look like it all hangs together as one architectural style. Um, And you can see the cafe pretty well there. Those awnings will be retractable. They'll have a little heater in them. very tiny little strip that's electric there'll be some lighting in them as well and we'll be submitting that to each PC. Okay, next slide. And coming around the corner, you can see the gallery and the proportions. We, the sash will be aluminum. It'll be the same color as what's above. And the whole idea is that the proportion of those windows kind of emulate the proportion of the windows on the second floor. So it all looks like one building. |
| 01:03:20.75 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:03:20.84 | Michael Rex | Next slide. Here is the site plan to show how the circulation works. The planner boxes in the middle will come out. There's, this was reviewed by the Department of Public Works. They found it acceptable. There's two travel lanes each like there is now. When the bikes are closing off Tracy Way, Al Patel turns into a cul-de-sac for two lanes. And there'll be a stripe down the middle. There'll be arrows to indicate that. There's a 12 foot traveling for each car at its narrowest point, which is the industry standard. The sidewalk is a foot wider than required. And that came from our last hearing with the planning commission for Langston building. We had four feet between the guardrail at that cafe, outdoor cafe and trees. and we were requested to make it five. And that, the curb is another six inches, in addition to the five. and the length of 45 feet plus the curves at the end for a total of 51 feet and the length of Al Patel is 150 feet so this is about a third you can see the parking there's plenty of room for loading and we talked to the to the neighbors I'll tell you about that in a minute and they were fine with this There was some discussion about taking the sidewalk cafe all the way, or not the cafe, but widening the sidewalk all the way down to Bridgeway. And that has not been proposed. That's an additive cost. The gallery owner was afraid that the chairs might start and tables might start migrating in front of his his art gallery and express concern about it so we have not proposed that. As far as drainage there's a condition of approval in the resolutions from the Department of Public Works. We have to submit a drainage plan that's on page five of the conditions of approval. So part of our building permit application will be showing how the drainage will be managed for stormwater anti-pollution. Okay, next slide. |
| 01:05:56.16 | Michael Rex | The planners also will drain in a pipe. They will not drain across the sidewalk. Um, And here you can see the layout for the sidewalk cafe. It's... The planners will kind of help make it feel a little cozy. Uh, The exiting will all be brought up to legal standards, for egress, so we're also improving safety. Also the sidewalk right now has a greater than 2% slope. So it's not, it's actually a liability for the city. When we rebuild this portion of the sidewalk, that slope will be brought into conformity with ADA. So that saves the city that expense and avoids liability to the city. Mr. Rapp. |
| 01:06:45.40 | Director Whalen | Mr. Rex, I'm so sorry to interrupt you here. We're having issues turning the camera on for the timer, which is why the timer is not being shown right now. I don't have the ability to turn on the camera. |
| 01:06:52.33 | Unknown | Why not? Thank you. |
| 01:06:55.39 | Maria | I've almost finished. |
| 01:06:56.64 | Director Whalen | Excellent, I was just gonna let you know that Maria is about to tell you that you have two minutes left here. So I'll pop back on when you have 30 seconds left and I will put my hand up like- |
| 01:07:00.91 | Maria | Okay. |
| 01:07:06.02 | Michael Rex | All right, thank you. Just a couple of slides left. Go ahead, Jeffrey. The planner boxes, Uh, will be a warmer color. They'll be custom made. They'll have a tone similar to the building. They won't be this gray. They're kind of both old and new. The next slide, please. The guardrail. We probably won't have so many circles at the top. We might omit the ones at the bottom, but other than that, we like this concept. It's not too fussy, but it's still decorative. And the last slide are the light fixtures. There's only three decorative ones that the Historic Reservation Commission was most concerned about. They wanted to see what kind of decorative fixture. Can you go to that slide, Jeffrey? but I think that's a good question. Yeah, I looked at probably 35 different fixtures and this is the one we ended up with. It has a scale and it'll look appropriate on the building. It'll have this brown color tone, but not clear glass. The glass will be more amber color so you won't see the light bulbs. Okay, so that concludes my slides and hopefully I answer some of those questions that you asked. let me see if I missed any. Oh, on signage. We could do a master plan for signage for the whole building. And what we like about that is then the tenants don't have to submit each one separately. In fact, their approval wouldn't have to go to the planning commission. Their approval could be administrative as long as staff concluded that their proposal was in line with the master plan that you would approve. So that's common solution that we could do. I'm going to go. that their proposal was in line with the master plan that you would approve. So that's common solution that we could do, okay. I think with that, we got good support. We haven't got a single complaint yet. Historic Preservation Commission approved it the first night unanimously without a single change. That's pretty rare. We hope you do the same. I'm here for questions. Thank you. |
| 01:09:15.77 | Kristina Feller | Thank you so much, Mr. Rex. Thank you for the presentation and for your abundance of patience with our technical difficulties. So thank you for hanging in there with us. |
| 01:09:26.48 | Maria | Yes. |
| 01:09:26.92 | Kristina Feller | Bye. I know that we're going to have some additional questions here, so if you can just maybe stay up there on camera. Let me give this up to the commissioners for any questions. So, Commissioner Siddich, do you have questions for the applicants? |
| 01:09:33.88 | Maria | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:09:41.06 | Nastassya Saad | I have one. I'm sorry. I have a terrible cough. It could be just half. |
| 01:09:46.36 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, go ahead. Commissioner Luxenberg, do you have any questions |
| 01:09:52.12 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Just to follow up, again, Michael, excellent design. I think this is gonna be attractive for the building. And it's obviously a landmark for the city I appreciate the fact you'll get a storm management plan as part of that. And I would strongly encourage you to just do a sign program with consistent signs for the whole building. So rather than consider it, I think you should just, I would strongly encourage you to do it. So, With that, those are the only questions I have, Chair Feldman. |
| 01:10:22.56 | Kristina Feller | terrific thank you very much Commissioner Saad let's get |
| 01:10:25.48 | Nastassya Saad | Hi, thank you. Sorry. Excuse me, you guys. Um, I just had. Yeah, I agree with Commissioner Luxembourg. I think it's a great project. I think it's a beautiful design. And I thought the historic I thought the report was really well done as well. I was just wondering, I think I read somewhere that the hours of operation for the cafe are not yet determined. And I was just wanting to know if that's been reconsidered or if there's any proposal. only because of the outside seating, which I think is a wonderful idea, but just for a noise level hotel guests and all that, if that's on the table as of now, if there are any proposed. I can't recall Cafe 2D's old hours. I don't remember them being open very late. I was curious if you had any idea on hours of operations for the cafe specifically. |
| 01:11:15.18 | Michael Rex | I think it's a good question because we have hotel use directly above. But we're really leaving that up to the tenant. That's Jeremy Harris. Maybe he can answer that question. We did not want to micromanage their operation. But obviously, if it becomes conflict, those hours would have to be adjusted. |
| 01:11:46.89 | Kristina Feller | Oh. yes excellent question commissioner sodden and um it would uh, Jody Harris like to comment on that if you do. either raise your hand in the Zoom application or Um, Zoom team, if you can unmute. Jody. if we can get some clarification to that. Okay, Mark Petrie, maybe you want to respond. If you're responding directly to that question, let's go ahead and unmute. Mr. Petri. |
| 01:12:21.78 | Mark Petri | I just wanted to point out, I think your question is valid, but at the same time, you look at Poggio. It's right underneath Casa Madrona. And I think you look at the collaborative relationship and the community and everything, so there really isn't a conflict there. So I think it'd be no different than what Culver would be doing with the Hotel Above Us. |
| 01:12:39.87 | Kristina Feller | Okay, so there's nothing. |
| 01:12:40.45 | Mark Petri | Okay. |
| 01:12:42.37 | Kristina Feller | for hours of operation it is time to find for your tenant. |
| 01:12:49.19 | Mark Petri | I think you've got to be realistic being a restaurant It'd be probably until 10 o'clock at night. |
| 01:12:53.95 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:12:58.42 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:12:58.70 | Mark Petri | create an attraction in that area. |
| 01:13:00.27 | Kristina Feller | Bye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying that. Commissioner Saad, do you have any more questions for the aquifers? |
| 01:13:08.02 | Nastassya Saad | I don't, that was my question. Thank you, Chair Feller. |
| 01:13:10.82 | Michael Rex | I would like to add that we have one building owner, the Petri family. They don't own the hotel. The hotel is a tenant. So as a landlord, they're gonna have to keep all their tenants happy. So we do have a building owner who's been demonstrated that they've owned the building a long time, they're responsible. or and hopefully they could manage how to make all those uses compatible. |
| 01:13:39.85 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you for adding that in as well. |
| 01:13:43.31 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 01:13:43.34 | Andrew Junius | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:13:43.81 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner Junius, do you have questions for the applicants? |
| 01:13:47.24 | Andrew Junius | No questions, Chair Fetler. |
| 01:13:48.44 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 01:13:49.01 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. I'm Vice Chair Graf. |
| 01:13:51.98 | Richard Graef | um, No. All right. As usual, it's a very, very thorough presentation. No mysteries, so no questions. |
| 01:14:02.51 | Kristina Feller | Okay, thank you. I think this is an incredible project and I, actually really appreciate that you've opened up that corner. I think that's going to be fantastic down there. And Mr. X, you're right about the circulation right there. because there's also a crosswalk right there also going across Bridgeway. So people do tend to gather at that at that corner. So I think that opening that up is really... I love the large windows. Um, It is very closed off now and looks a little bit massive. And I think opening that up with the windows is going to be wonderful. I did have a couple of questions though. I wanted to go back to, you made a comment about the guardrails that those might change. But you would, but I had believed that HPC had signed off on those guardrails, that that was part of their approval. So can you clarify that? |
| 01:15:02.79 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 01:15:02.80 | Michael Rex | Um, They didn't actually see that image. we simply described it as a wrought iron guardrail. But we thought because this is design review before the Planning Commission would be appropriate that you have some idea what it's gonna look like. And that isn't the exact guardrail, it's really the character that we're seeking. We think it's a little busy with all those circles, so we thought we'd simplify a little bit. But we wanted to give you kind of the flavor and general direction of the design that we're going to head towards. Since we're going back to them for signage, we could certainly show them. |
| 01:15:36.44 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:36.57 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:15:36.69 | Unknown | that's, you know, |
| 01:15:42.60 | Michael Rex | Um, that image, but they didn't have that image at the time. |
| 01:15:47.29 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, I'm just from a procedural standpoint, I'm just trying to figure out what they have approved and what they hadn't. And if it was sort of just verbally describing versus a photo, I just want to make sure that you're not going to get into a cycle of going back and forth and back and forth. So I'm actually trying to |
| 01:16:05.98 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 01:16:06.03 | Kristina Feller | streamline it a little bit to make it a little bit clearer. So I just wanted some clarification around that. |
| 01:16:06.07 | Maria | that. |
| 01:16:12.45 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 01:16:12.46 | Michael Rex | They did have our CAD model that showed the wrought iron railing, and I guess they thought it was sufficient because they specifically said We want to see what those light fixtures look like. And we want to know what those planters are. That's what they focused on. They didn't focus on the guardrail. but they had the model and they had the elevation drawings which showed it |
| 01:16:32.98 | Kristina Feller | Okay. So I'll just, you know, Jeffrey, as we go back Um, um, maybe you can clarify when we come back to deliberate exactly what they signed off on so we don't get into this cycle of going back and forth back and forth. That is not what we want to have happen here. Um, and then On, I guess it's really your slide 12 of 15, which is your sheet A100, which is probably the best sheet to have a look. at all of this on Um, I just wanted to make sure. from that sheet and then the elevation of that north facade Um, that somehow None of that exterior seating is impacting or affecting any of the egresses from above with the egress ladders coming down or any of the Um, uh, I guess I call them service doors that might've been a service door coming in and out of the gallery. So can you just clarify that? So we're not inadvertently creating an issue with any of that there. I'm sure you've already looked at this, but for the purposes of the hearing, if you could clarify that. |
| 01:17:50.52 | Michael Rex | Sure. Um, |
| 01:17:54.20 | Kristina Feller | And maybe Jefferson. |
| 01:17:54.69 | Michael Rex | And Jeffrey, It'd be helpful if we could put the plan view back up Sure. bring that up. Yeah, let's see what page that was. |
| 01:18:07.40 | Kristina Feller | Well, you had |
| 01:18:08.40 | Michael Rex | Yeah, here you go, A100. |
| 01:18:12.28 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 01:18:12.34 | Michael Rex | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:18:12.50 | Maria | within the slideshow, correct? Right, correct. Okay. So number 12. |
| 01:18:21.37 | Kristina Feller | If we can zoom in a little bit, Jeffrey, I just want to make sure that there are no conflicts Um, here. that we need to be aware of for any kind of public safety issues for the hotel Thank you. And so there was, I guess, over It's a clouded area just to the left of the outdoor seating in the planter area. I'm assuming that that's a service door. |
| 01:18:51.41 | Michael Rex | That's a service store, but it's also a second means of egress. uh, that the code requires And we reviewed this with the fire department and public works and they concluded that it conformed to the code So we're confident that what you see here is what will work. And the planter box is set off to the side, so there should be plenty of room to flow outward. In fact, because the public will move out and around the sidewalk cafe, that'll leave this corner area more clear pedestrians also if you go to the right jeffrey if you shift to the right the cafe also requires two means of egress and it has it now it has the double doors at the entry although we're going to be widening those doors to conform to ADA. We're pulling them back so they don't swing over the sidewalk, which is prohibited by the code. We're going to keep the door on the right, which is opening into that little vestibule at the hotel. That's existing, and there's no change to that door. Again, Public Works and the Fire Department reviewed this. We didn't submit to you those sheets that show how all the exiting and path of travel worked, but they were submitted to city staff and as part of deeming our application complete, they found them satisfactory. However, they will go through one more check when we apply for a building. permit. The last thing I want to point out is you asked about congestion on the sidewalk and while the sidewalk is about eight feet now wide Cafe 2D had tables and chairs out in front |
| 01:20:49.03 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:20:49.06 | Michael Rex | And so we're really not narrowing the sidewalk much from what it has been for many years, but it will now have a proper slope. |
| 01:20:49.08 | Unknown | Yeah. Yeah. |
| 01:20:59.96 | Kristina Feller | Yeah. |
| 01:21:00.94 | Michael Rex | Yeah. |
| 01:21:01.09 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, no, I, I, listen, I, I appreciate all of that. And, and we're so lucky here out outdoor dining like this cafe style, European style. It's, it's, we're so conducive to that. And, um, I know people will enjoy it. The one last question I had, and maybe this could even be for staff. So bear with me, but In your plan drawing, not on this slide 12 and 15, but one of your other ones you showed, |
| 01:21:21.04 | Unknown | your |
| 01:21:27.79 | Kristina Feller | a parking a car parked right at the corner of El Porto and Bridgeway. right before. As you turn on to El Porto right before the seating, I have, I don't I don't believe that that's a real parking spot unless are you suggesting that that become a parking spot or is that just something. |
| 01:21:51.40 | Michael Rex | No, that's ideally that's a loading zone. for both the gallery and it could also serve the restaurant. |
| 01:22:04.85 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:22:05.42 | Michael Rex | There's a possibility, Jeffrey, if you go back to that plan view, And most loading, don't forget, is in the early morning. Yeah. So we wanna keep the loading at the east end for really the hotel guests. Um, because they have to unload luggage and load up their trunk Jeffrey, can you go back to that floor plan and shift it to the left? know the floor plans. That's the A100. It's number 12. I'm going to bring that back |
| 01:22:43.19 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 01:22:43.61 | Michael Rex | Yeah. |
| 01:22:43.96 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 01:22:46.98 | Kristina Feller | And while Jeffrey, while you're doing that Zoom team, I believe Mr. Petsche would like to weigh in on some of these I would like to unmute him if you can. |
| 01:23:01.67 | Unknown | you |
| 01:23:03.69 | Kristina Feller | allow him to speak and respond to some of those. |
| 01:23:10.32 | Michael Rex | You find 12? |
| 01:23:13.39 | Unknown | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 01:23:13.93 | Michael Rex | that. Okay, thank you. He's picked. Page 12. Sheik 12 in my very |
| 01:23:24.38 | Unknown | It's like 12. |
| 01:23:24.62 | Michael Rex | So. |
| 01:23:25.61 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:23:25.68 | Michael Rex | No, it's slide number 12. Okay. Back to the first one. There it is. You're bad. Can you, pull back holes so we can see the, more of that plan. |
| 01:23:42.86 | Michael Rex | There you go. I'm not sure. In the gallery, that upper right emergency exit, And that would be a service entry as well. Um, we're thinking of putting a door in there that will also provide service to the restaurant. So that parking space out, it won't change the appearance of the building though, but that would make a very handy loading for both that parking space for both gallery and restaurant. And one thing we tried to do here is, we didn't want something to look temporary. A lot of these parklets are wonderful, but they don't feel like they have a sense of permanence. And we're shooting for something here that's really high quality. It looks like it really belongs there. um, which should be a big improvement. Thank you. |
| 01:24:33.69 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Let's zoom team. Can we please unmute Mr. Petri? I want to make sure he has an opportunity to respond to any of the questions that we have here. And then Michael, well, well, zoom team is doing that. I still don't think we got the answer to any of the second floor, the hotel guests. There are, emergency exit ladders down from the second floor that I believe are still operational. And And the location of those ladders, those fire ladders, a conflict with any areas that you have at the egress for the gallery or any of your sidewalk seating. |
| 01:25:21.05 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 01:25:21.07 | Michael Rex | I'm going to go to the photo. uh, to locate those ladders that you're describing. Um, |
| 01:25:33.54 | Michael Rex | Oh, I see. There's a balcony on the slideshow, Slide number four, Jeffrey. Uh, There was a balcony. that's right at the middle of, art gallery. on Alfred Tao. So that would come down right in front of the window. not in front of a door. Uh, that they, If you go to number four, You'll see it. |
| 01:26:09.53 | Kristina Feller | The slide number four. |
| 01:26:11.34 | Michael Rex | Yeah. |
| 01:26:12.19 | Kristina Feller | Okay, so it's only the one. |
| 01:26:14.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:26:14.56 | Michael Rex | uh... |
| 01:26:15.31 | Unknown | you |
| 01:26:15.59 | Michael Rex | And then I, Yeah, that'll come right down in front of the store up front. Uh, if, uh, The emergency exit, Uh, Can you pull? We're not moving that doorway. It's recessing and making it wider so it meets code. But the emergency exit out of the gallery is far away from this ladder coming down. Uh, And it'll just come down in front of the storefront window, not in front of any circulation. Thank you. |
| 01:26:46.96 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:26:47.02 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 01:26:47.03 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:26:47.06 | Michael Rex | Thank you. Yeah. |
| 01:26:47.88 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you. I knew you had probably already looked at that. I just wanted for the avoidance of doubt in the hearing here for those tuning in at home or not knowing, I want to make sure we have no conflict there. Right. |
| 01:26:49.36 | Michael Rex | problem. |
| 01:27:01.04 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:27:02.86 | Kristina Feller | Okay, thank you for that. |
| 01:27:05.65 | Unknown | Hmm? |
| 01:27:06.30 | Kristina Feller | I want to go back once again, Zoom team, does Mr. Petri have anything to add to any of the comments here? I know you had his hand. up earlier, I think you're unmuted now. Mr. Petri, if you'd like to respond to any of the questions the Commission has. |
| 01:27:23.90 | Mark Petri | I think my father's on the line, Pete Petrie, he may have just wanted to say a few words. technical difficulty and I had my hand up from the previous one but thank |
| 01:27:34.27 | Kristina Feller | Okay. I know. |
| 01:27:36.63 | Unknown | Thank you. He's muted. Um, I'm going to go. Pete looks muted here. |
| 01:27:46.57 | Kristina Feller | Oh, okay. Zoom team, the image with the tulips is Pete Petrie. Can we unmute him? and allow him to respond to any of the questions that we had here at the Commission. could help us. There we go. Welcome, Mr. Petrie. |
| 01:28:06.65 | Maria | Go ahead, Paige. |
| 01:28:07.81 | Pete Petri | All right. I just want to thank the commissioners and also the And also Lily, really, for supporting us throughout this process. We really, Also, Michael Rex and his team. He has invested a lot of time and also has put together a wonderful group of talented architects and engineers to help us really develop what you just saw presented to you. That building, we bought that building in 1975, And we totally run away at the hotel. And now it's time to really do the Yeah. the first floor stores and bring it up to the, to date and to the code. So we could really attract quality tenants. which are, quality enough to really be part of the community. I believe Sausalito is one of the most beautiful towns in this country and maybe in the world. I've been very Blessed to be involved, really in in studio Sausalito, having a retail shop myself at the beginning. And I know a part owner of this property. uh, with what Michael has designed and what we are trying to do. I'm sure we'll be enhancing the level of, and the restaurants who are existing right now. And hopefully we will, this will be a beginning of a turn of uh, Turn. toward improve tenants floated downtown. uh, Once again, I just want to uh, thank the commissioners, all the staff, all the members, and also Jeffrey Graham for putting the presentation together and hopefully we'll be able to move on and start construction after everything is approved. Once again, thank you. I'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have. |
| 01:30:17.65 | Kristina Feller | We appreciate that, and we really appreciate you being here tonight for such an important project, and thank you. for you and your team for getting it in front of us. It's a very dear downtown to all of us and really appreciate you being here tonight. At this time, if I ask your graph, I know you have some questions. Let me go ahead and call on you. |
| 01:30:40.36 | Richard Graef | Um, thanks. Mm. The only question I have is regarding the discussion that just took place about the exit door Um, from the gallery. And sheet A100, at least my version of it, um, that It's not Sean. It's not shown on the elevation, and it's not shown on the plan. where it shows on the plan somewhere else, So it's just mildly confusing. The elevation on that sheet Um, shows three new full height windows along the gallery side but no exit door. I'm a little confused. Maybe it's just me. |
| 01:31:34.55 | Kristina Feller | No, let's get it cleared up. Can you help us here? |
| 01:31:34.84 | Richard Graef | Hey. |
| 01:31:40.08 | Michael Rex | I can answer that question. Right. That change came about six weeks ago when the project went through review by Public Works and the Fire Department. and They wanted a second exit. And so if you go, if you look at not only our floor plan, but on slide nine, We have updated the model and you can see exactly what it would look like. in the model three-dimensionally Jeffrey, if you can pull up slide number nine, I could point it out to you. And we submitted this as an addendum I think about Thank you. about four weeks, five weeks ago. |
| 01:32:36.14 | Kristina Feller | So is it slide nine then that we? |
| 01:32:40.33 | Michael Rex | uh, |
| 01:32:41.63 | Kristina Feller | that matches the drawing. |
| 01:32:44.77 | Michael Rex | The model matches the drawing. There it is. THE END OF Can you recess, pull back, you're zoomed a little too close so you can see all of it. Yeah. So you can see this recess in each of these slides or renderings. |
| 01:33:05.93 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:33:05.96 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 01:33:05.98 | Unknown | OK. |
| 01:33:06.03 | Michael Rex | Okay. Thank you. So, yeah, it's a slight modification, but It's still, that entire bay will be glass. |
| 01:33:14.65 | Richard Graef | Yeah, I get it. I get it. |
| 01:33:16.51 | Michael Rex | Aha. |
| 01:33:18.02 | Richard Graef | It just wasn't showing on the drawing, so I was confused. Yeah. |
| 01:33:21.76 | Michael Rex | Yeah, it's both on the model and on the plan. |
| 01:33:24.25 | Richard Graef | Yeah. And that drawing also shows the on that elevation on A100. it shows your railing. actually, that's more like what you're talking about. Is that right? |
| 01:33:36.99 | Unknown | Right. |
| 01:33:37.89 | Richard Graef | simplifies. Yeah. |
| 01:33:39.52 | Unknown | Right, exactly. |
| 01:33:41.28 | Richard Graef | Yeah. All right, no further questions. That was just a little... |
| 01:33:44.40 | Unknown | you |
| 01:33:46.06 | Richard Graef | Wow. |
| 01:33:48.13 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, no, it's a difficult question and it's good to get it. Let's get it straight, let's get it clarified now for sure. |
| 01:33:49.36 | Richard Graef | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:33:54.80 | Kristina Feller | Um, Any other commissioners have questions for the applicant at this time? Commissioner Luxenberg, do you have any further questions? |
| 01:34:04.08 | Jeffery Luxenberg | No, I think at this point I'm all set. Thank you, Chair. |
| 01:34:07.15 | Kristina Feller | Okay, Commissioner Stodd. |
| 01:34:10.12 | Nastassya Saad | I don't have any other questions, Chair Feller. Thank you. |
| 01:34:12.53 | Kristina Feller | Mr. Eugenius. Oh, my stroke graph, you're good. |
| 01:34:16.43 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 01:34:16.48 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I'm not sure. |
| 01:34:16.65 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 01:34:17.12 | Kristina Feller | Excellent. Thank you very much for your presentation and going through this so thoroughly with us, we appreciate that. At this time, I would like to open this up for public comment. And to do so, please raise your hand in the Zoom application or press star nine if you happen to be attending by telephone. And I see Vicki Nichols has her hand up. So Zoom team, can we? unmute Vicki and ask her to turn her camera on. and welcome this evening. There's three minutes for public comments, so if I could ask the Zoom team to also display the timer as well. |
| 01:35:07.71 | Vicki Nichols | Okay, finally, I got to unmute. Good evening, Planning Commission and Mr. Rex for your fine project. I have a couple questions and I'm asking these questions on behalf of a general historical preservation committee process question. I've not had the occasion to speak with the whole team about this. Question one would be, I've heard some changes here. What date is this plan that you're looking at compared to the date that we reviewed I'm hearing that and I acknowledge that we did not see several things While we may have appeared to have no objection, we had nothing to look at. So I'm looking forward to seeing specific railings, light fixtures, signage, and the lights and planner issue. And I would urge you to not approve this without us seeing this because it may bounce back and forth. This is clearly just process. This didn't come to us completely. We knew about the signage program. And I think you've talked about a great solution that if you find something, the applicant can find compatible The others could come in and match that administratively, but the HPC would certainly like to see that. That's written clearly in our ordinance for the historic district. I'd also ask that any changes to this not be made over the counter. This is a very prominent building downtown. We know in several instances we've had buildings replaced. There's been structural problems and the staff was not contacted. Any changes should be stopped and come back to our staff. And we go from there. Um, And so I guess I'm asking mainly, please don't bifurcate this or if you have to bifurcate it, I don't think it should, I'm not, I think that's where things get lost in the translation. Michael Rex and his team have done such a good job. These are very minor things. actually aspects, but we sure would like to see them. And I don't think it's appropriate that the commission approved something without having had a complete certificate of application, we knew that this would not be included when we looked at it before. Thank you for your time. |
| 01:37:27.47 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much, Nikki. Figgy, please. Any other public comments this evening? I'm looking for raised hands. I'm seeing none at this time. I'll go ahead and close public comments. And I would like to bring it back up for deliberation. I know, Michael, you've got your hand up there. But there's a couple items of clarification that we'll talk about here as a commission, but don't go far. because I know we'll have to get a clarification from you as well. So let's, oh, Excuse me. We've got one more hand up, Jody Harris. Let's go ahead and reopen public comment and allow Jody Harris to speak. Zoom team, if you could unmute. Jody, welcome. |
| 01:38:15.48 | Unknown | Hi there. Hey, thanks for the meeting this evening. I really appreciate it. I just wanted to say, I really hope we can get this approved because we've gotten many decisions kind of hinging on this. there was some discussion about not approving this part of it. And I really hope that we can approve this. because our model really does depend upon that outdoor dining I understand there are some other questions that come up like signage and various other things. And I'm, happy to deal with that in the future. But really, if we can get this product going, we're gonna really need that outdoor seating approved. So that's it. Thank you very much. |
| 01:38:55.39 | Kristina Feller | Thank you so much, Mr. Harris. Thank you for being here this evening. Okay, I'm going to ask one more time if we have any more public comment. to raise your hand. Michael, we will come back to you. We will come back to you. Don't go far. Okay, let's go ahead and open this up for some discussion here at our virtual dais. Um, Would somebody like to start us off this evening? Commissioner Saad, since you're a former HPC commissioner, would you like to start us off? |
| 01:39:30.86 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you Chair Feller and thank you for the public comments. I understand what the what Vicki is saying and from the Historic Preservation Commission standpoint. I do think I disagree in this case specifically only because I think that what we have in front of us is I think I can personally make the findings. Thank you. Thank you. for for the remainder of this project. I think it's a great project. I'm also a huge fan of the concept of a signage program. I don't disagree that it is it's a very prominent building. It is historic and we want to make sure it's compliant But if there can be a signage program. THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITH in tandem with the HPC. I mean, something that they can sign off on as well. I think it could be beneficial to the to the applicant and to move this along. So we don't all have to come back just to approve signage. So if there's an opportunity to have the applicant create something that HPC looks at as well, I think it would be beneficial. So I personally can make the findings. I think it's a wonderful project. I think it's beautifully designed. I also love that opening. It is very congested there. I think we all are with how crowded it can get. So I think that opening is a big win. And and I think I can make the findings and let the part that needs to go back to HPC go back to HPC. |
| 01:41:09.56 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Commissioner Saad. Thank you. How Commissioner Ginny is? |
| 01:41:14.14 | Andrew Junius | I also obviously am very supportive. It's hard to argue with a project like this that's doing everything right. Um, in one of the most important you know parts of our city in our downtown so congratulations of the Yeah. I'm sorry. everybody loves you. you |
| 01:41:35.57 | Andrew Junius | long time overdue. a very underutilized piece of the right of way there. It's a, this is a no brainer. I think that's gonna be an awesome addition to our downtown. Um, Everything else about design, I'm very supportive of. I also, you know, I just want to also just commend the city, all the city departments you guys. |
| 01:41:59.89 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. but, are going to slow it down. I think moved this through. HBC I think did their job so wonderful I'd sure like to move it forward tonight and I also agree um let's not slow this down to the extent there are details like the signage program i totally agree with commissioner Saad it's likely the signage program would have to go back to the HBC that's fine in other words there It certainly should weigh in on that. but I don't, |
| 01:42:38.97 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Commissioner Junius. Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 01:42:42.73 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes, I think, as others have said, I think it's an excellent design. I believe that we should try to move ahead tonight. I think there's a lot of details that it's sort of a chicken and egg. If we don't approve it, then they're waiting. I think the signage program, I strongly encourage that there be a signage program that get put together fairly quickly, even if they don't have the specific tenets. At least the program should get get developed and then go back for the planners and other details to the historic preservation committee but i think we should move this ahead i think it would be a definite asset to downtown |
| 01:43:19.85 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Vice Chair Gras. |
| 01:43:24.29 | Richard Graef | Well, what can I say? That hasn't already been said, it's an excellent project. Bye. Everything is thought out. you know. It's a no-brainer, really. I can make findings. I definitely support the signage program approach. And that should be done. And I'm sure it will be done and it will be done well. So I'm ready to approve this. |
| 01:43:51.50 | Kristina Feller | Right, thank you very much for your comments as well. I want to, I love this project a lot, and I appreciate the time that the HBC has already put into this. I know that they scrutinize these projects with the right lens and we rely on them very heavily and I wanna thank them for that. I want to ask staff though really quickly here, Um, other than the signage program. Um, I, the railing design was in the HPC package. Is that correct? |
| 01:44:31.74 | Maria | Thank you. |
| 01:44:31.76 | Jeffrey Graham | The photo that was included is attachment seven. And the staff report was not included. But the railing the concept of the railing was included. |
| 01:44:42.26 | Kristina Feller | And that was approved, is that correct? |
| 01:44:44.18 | Jeffrey Graham | That was it was approved. Thank you. |
| 01:44:46.63 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:44:48.33 | Jeffrey Graham | Lighting is not. included and was not approved by HBC. |
| 01:44:52.25 | Kristina Feller | so lighting would have to go back to HBC? |
| 01:44:54.73 | Jeffrey Graham | That's correct. |
| 01:44:55.18 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Perfect. We've got lighting and we've got a signage package. Is there anything else? |
| 01:45:00.65 | Jeffrey Graham | the planner boxes. |
| 01:45:01.91 | Kristina Feller | The planner boxes, okay. |
| 01:45:07.05 | Nastassya Saad | May I ask a question Chair Feller? Since and to understand and hear what what you know HPC is saying and what Vicki's representing I mean is it possible I think that there's going to be a railing. I think it's required anyway. to send the railing I mean the concept was approved but they didn't see it. So is it possible that that with the lighting goes back as well. So they have it, they have the opportunity to review the railing that they, that they approved without seeing. |
| 01:45:39.14 | Kristina Feller | Well, that's why I'm trying. This is a lot of questioning. I support the project. I think we all do. But there's some procedural issues we just have to |
| 01:45:47.04 | Nastassya Saad | Sure. Thank you. |
| 01:45:47.92 | Kristina Feller | Our, our, you know, all those loose ends are tied up. So we know exactly what we're approving. What we're not approving, which goes to HPC, what doesn't. So there's absolute clarity, not just for us, but for HPC and most importantly, the applicant, And so I'm trying to figure out here real quick We know lighting, there's no issue there. We know planter boxes, there's no issue there. We know signage programs. is what we will condition this project for. We want a signage program that we can approve. And that has to go to HBC. And then the last question is, and the fourth item is the railing. if HPC approved, the concept of a railing. Um, Does this have to go back to them for an approval of the final railing? procedurally and maybe director Whalen you want to weigh in on that or Jeffrey maybe you can answer that. I just want clarity one way or the other. |
| 01:46:50.94 | Director Whalen | So if I might need Jeffrey's help here for the HPC meeting details, but if the HPC, can you, |
| 01:46:59.31 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:46:59.53 | Director Whalen | refresh our recollection Jeffrey on Jeffrey one way on if the HPC I know the HPC specifically requested that lighting and the planter boxes come back but did they have a conversation about the railings Jeffrey or do you think that could have been an oversight |
| 01:47:18.91 | Jeffrey Graham | I believe it could have been an oversight. I don't recall a conversation about the railings at the time. |
| 01:47:26.21 | Kristina Feller | So, um, So I would like to say that I have no objection to the railing at all. Um, The concept, the photo, if you want to take out a couple of the circles, I didn't have If this has to go back to HPC, then there are four items that have to go back to them. but I think that we can certainly as the commission, identify what we like, what we would approve, or what we would conditionally approve, or the direction we're leaning specific to planner boxes. to the images of the lighting that Michael showed us and the basic idea of the railing between the concept drawing and the photo that we saw with some type of modification or verbal description of that. And that's, I think, I think this commission is intending to approve this project But let's just be clear what's approved, what isn't, what's pending, and where we are leaning as a commission to help the HPC as they have to review some of these items again as well. Does that make sense, Jeffrey? I think you're really good with that. |
| 01:48:51.74 | Mary Wagner | Madam Chair, if I may, through the chair, and this may be a question more for your community development director, I believe staff had also proposed that those items could be approved by the commission tonight. and would only return. And perhaps I'm just misunderstanding the direction that was was coming but those items that are returning to the HPC could be approved by the commission tonight and only return to the commission if the HPC had a different opinion, then we would return to you with the HPC determination and then you would be asked to make another determination on those features. Okay, great. Thank you. I just wanted to clarify that. |
| 01:49:32.00 | Kristina Feller | You said it much, much better than I, so thank you. |
| 01:49:34.55 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 01:49:35.58 | Kristina Feller | Thank you for inviting me. |
| 01:49:36.98 | Mary Wagner | And if I may, Chair Feller, with respect to the sign program, I think you could certainly craft a condition that would encourage the applicant to provide a signage program for the overall project, but I think that's the extent to which the Muni code would allow you to impose that requirement. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:49:54.01 | Kristina Feller | Okay. I appreciate that. |
| 01:49:55.29 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:49:57.08 | Kristina Feller | And Michael, I know you're raising your hand, but let us just finish this conversation because we're going to come back to you in just a moment. Commissioner Junius, you had a hand. |
| 01:50:05.09 | Andrew Junius | Um, Yeah, a couple things. I mean, for one, some of these details, I think I understand the direction we're moving in some of these details for me personally I don't have a lot of say about the exact design of the planter box or the exact design of the railing. So I'm hoping there's also an option if the, if the HBC does something relatively minor that the applicant's okay with that, that it doesn't have to come back. We don't need to keep ping-ponging back and forth between the two commissions. until we've got exact agreement, I think some of these details can be left there. What the city attorney just said that I'm a little confused about. I really, I thought we had the authority to impose a signage program. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's a you know, logical, way to expedite things and you know, efficiently deal with the signage question here. I'm not sure why we can't I mean, by creating a signage program, you're saying this is the uniform manner in which signage is gonna be put on this building. We approve that. And then the tenants, if they wanna change that, then they'd have to come back to us. But if the tenants are okay with what we've already approved in terms you know, lettering size and fonts and whatever colors and locations. I mean, I've seen signage programs work pretty consistently around the Bay Area and I'm not sure why we couldn't do them. |
| 01:51:28.47 | Mary Wagner | If I may, Madam Chair. if appropriate. Thank you, Commissioner Junius, and I think that's a great clarification on the question. no objection to a signage program and agree with you that they can provide an excellent tool for the community and for the applicant to actually have some certainty around signage and then know that if the text changes or something changes, you know, in terms that that wouldn't have to come back. The applicant may be very amenable to that and may say, absolutely, we'd be happy to agree with that condition, and then we're fine. My only point was there's not a provision in your municipal code that I'm aware of in your sign regulations that says we can mandate it. |
| 01:52:08.28 | Unknown | Okay. Okay. |
| 01:52:09.93 | Mary Wagner | And we can certainly look at that for you further, but that was my only... That's the point I was trying to get across. |
| 01:52:15.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:52:18.22 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, and I think that there is precedent, Commissioner Junius, with other projects that this commission has reviewed and approved. And we will ask the applicant to weigh in on this in just a moment, but before we do that, Um, with the four items that I mentioned, the lighting, |
| 01:52:34.91 | Unknown | or items. |
| 01:52:37.71 | Kristina Feller | signage program, planner boxes, and railing. Um, I'd like to uh, here one way or the other from from the commissioners if you are inclined to what has been presented to us tonight so that when this goes back to HPC, it doesn't have to come back to us. And if you have comments, and if you don't approve it, |
| 01:53:00.34 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:53:02.01 | Kristina Feller | perfectly acceptable, then we'll condition that appropriately as well. So I'm gonna ask one item at a time. I think we all agree on the signage program. So I won't ask again about that. Is there any comment? pro or con about the planter boxes that were shown to us. I see no comment. |
| 01:53:24.17 | Nastassya Saad | I have no issues with this. |
| 01:53:26.73 | Kristina Feller | you Affirmative, okay. Silence being consensus. Let's do it. Let's do it that way. the lighting. Is there any objection to the lighting that was shown to us. this evening by Mr. Eckler. |
| 01:53:40.52 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. I think we just want to make the point. I think Mr. Rex said that the For the record, it won't be a clear light. It'll be a little bit more auburn just as long as that gets into the record. So we're all clear if anyone's looking at those pictures later on, but no issues. |
| 01:53:56.78 | Kristina Feller | Excellent clarification, staff, if you could make note of that as part of the approval this evening. regarding the lighting. We would appreciate that. And then are there any comments regarding the railing? |
| 01:54:16.72 | Nastassya Saad | No. |
| 01:54:17.64 | Kristina Feller | I'm sure someone. |
| 01:54:18.50 | Nastassya Saad | I don't have any issues with how the railing appears. I just whatever happens next, I just want to make sure HPC has a chance if that is going back to them. I think I'm a little bit confused there. So as long as it's going back to them for approval, but I have no issues with how the railing looks. |
| 01:54:34.03 | Kristina Feller | All of these four items are going back to HBCC. But if we approve what we saw tonight or what we heard and what we heard and condition our approval that way, then if HBCC is okay with it, it doesn't have to come last year. |
| 01:54:34.06 | Nastassya Saad | All of you. OKAY. |
| 01:54:48.47 | Nastassya Saad | Okay, perfect, then I'm 100% on board. |
| 01:54:49.62 | Kristina Feller | If they do not, if they say absolutely no, then yes, it would have to come back. confirm our direction this evening, and that way HBC can take that on. |
| 01:55:05.13 | Nastassya Saad | Okay, thank you for clarifying. |
| 01:55:07.34 | Kristina Feller | The only caveat to the railing that I heard and again we will ask the applicant to confirm this, is that the photo that we saw, the intent of that photo was to minimize the circles on the top band. That was my understanding. Did anyone else have any different understanding of description of that. you know, Okay. Okay, are there any other |
| 01:55:38.74 | Unknown | Any of these? |
| 01:55:39.98 | Kristina Feller | comments or conditions at this time that any commissioner wants to entertain. Thank you. |
| 01:55:49.98 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Just a follow on the sign program. I would like to add a condition that just says that they're required to submit a sign program. We're not defining what the program is, but they have to submit it within a certain time. say three months, whatever, two months, some timeline that gives them so that they have to do it basically. And that's part of the approval. In other words, this project can't be constructed without a submittal of a sign-up. Something so I would be as simple as the applicants required to submit a sign program within X number of months. I mean, that's really. |
| 01:56:30.80 | Kristina Feller | Director Whalen, can we put a time limit on this condition? |
| 01:56:37.77 | Director Whalen | I'm trying to think of how that would work. |
| 01:56:46.60 | Kristina Feller | Can we do it based on a permit? approval for certain elements of the project. |
| 01:56:55.27 | Mary Wagner | May I jump in? Yep. Community Development Director Whelan, Madam Chair. If I'm hearing Commissioner Luxembourg correctly, I think you were almost saying prior to issuance of a building permit, they have to have submitted a sign program. I think that would be a little unusual for us to condition construction approvals on signage or just on the fact that they've applied for a signage program? I mean, clearly they can't put up any unpermitted signs, they'd be subject to code enforcement. Um, But if you're concerned is that business identification be in place prior to occupancy. Is that accurate? Is that what you're concerned about? |
| 01:57:42.17 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I'm concerned that there's a program for the whole building and I think there might be signs that are up there that have not yet been permitted, that I have gone up. So that is an issue. I'm concerned that I don't see an issue with a timeline. There are conditions that say, this approval is only good for two years. or whatever i i don't know that i would tie it to the building permit if that's an issue i just want want them to proceed to develop a sign program as part of the finalization of their drawings i don't know that we have to tie it to the building permit i i just want to tie it to something you know so just so it happens and i i think mr rex has indicated he'll do this so I don't think that's mean, uh, uh, so I just want to have some idea of when it, you know, it'll occur. You know relatively soon, but I don't I don't want to tie it to the building permit. I wasn't suggesting that |
| 01:58:38.97 | Director Whalen | Madam Chair, it might, if I could suggest, it might be an easier conversation for us to have if we know from the applicant, if they are willing to have a condition regarding a signed program, if they are, then I think the city attorney and I can be a little more helpful. |
| 01:58:53.97 | Kristina Feller | Okay, which is fine. I mean, this was the last clarification before we asked the applicant to come back up here anyway to ensure their concurrence with how we're conditioning your approval. So, Mr. Rex, if you are speaking for the applicant team here, if you could unmute yourself, or Zoom team, if you could unmute Mr. Rex. Oh, good. |
| 01:59:22.91 | Michael Rex | Hi. Thank you. |
| 01:59:23.69 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:59:23.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:59:23.74 | Kristina Feller | you |
| 01:59:23.77 | Unknown | I'm going to take it. |
| 01:59:25.00 | Michael Rex | Thank you. I heard three questions I could answer, okay? First one is the date of the drawings. The date on the drawings, the most current date is August 16th. 2021. And that was the final okay by the Department of Public Works and Fire for, it was the last change for exiting purposes. So if you want to reference That's not on every sheet, but that is the most current sheet, most current date. |
| 01:59:54.69 | Unknown | Uh, |
| 01:59:56.51 | Michael Rex | Um... And it has been submitted to the city. The staff has it. On the guardrail, happy to take that formally back to HPC along with signage, planning, planter boxes and lighting. I will detail it more precise. So there's no question of what we're asking for and what HPC approves. It won't be much different from what you saw tonight. just slightly simplified. with not so many circles, okay? But I wanted you to see it, to understand the basic concept so you could approve it tonight so we don't have to bring it back to you. Um, I don't see how we can bring a signed program to HBC. or a concept for signs without bringing it as a sign program. We're anxious to go back to HBC and get that behind us. And when we do so, we will include a signed program for their review, okay, for the whole building. Alright? Um, So that should answer those final outstanding questions. |
| 02:01:09.07 | Kristina Feller | We appreciate that and thank you for clarifying that. the Did you say that the last drawings were August 16th? |
| 02:01:20.97 | Michael Rex | August 16, I looked at the set and The one sheet that has the most recent change was dated August 16th. There's other sheets dated August 10th. Um, Thank you. |
| 02:01:34.79 | Kristina Feller | I don't have |
| 02:01:34.96 | Michael Rex | I don't have it. |
| 02:01:36.70 | Kristina Feller | The question really is, and I'm sorry to interrupt you there, but what I'm trying to get at, Michael, is What were there... Were the only changes to the drawing since HBC saw the exiting that DPW and FHIR required? |
| 02:01:56.46 | Michael Rex | Let me go to the August 10th. We actually, on each sheet, we show a date. and we define what the date what the revision is for. Let me let me just go there. Hang on one second. |
| 02:02:14.21 | Kristina Feller | And as he's doing that, Director Whalen, I'm assuming that your staff is checking that. as it's bubbled for any changes |
| 02:02:23.96 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:02:24.03 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 02:02:24.65 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:02:24.67 | Michael Rex | Well, yeah, we bubble it, we date it, we define what the revision is. Hang on here. I gotta get it big enough to read, but I'm just gonna go through these sheets. |
| 02:02:34.58 | Unknown | you |
| 02:02:45.19 | Michael Rex | Uh-huh. that floor plan and the model are the ones that had the most recent change for the exiting. And Yeah, it says, Department of Public Works, August 10th, and Southern Marin Fire District, August 16th. Those are the last revisions. revision number two and revision number three. So if there's a set with revision number three, it's the most current set. |
| 02:03:17.05 | Kristina Feller | Okay, and can you? clarify the the awnings that you are um, referring to is the signage going to be on the awnings |
| 02:03:29.15 | Michael Rex | I don't know. Well, we're gonna study, we haven't really considered How we'd apply signage as a master plan for the whole building. And that's something that we have to think about and talk to the building owner and talk to the tenants. That's the study we have to do. So I don't know if there'll be a name on the balance We hadn't considered it, we haven't shown it. So far we've imagined the name on the freeze right below that little roof overhang. Okay. |
| 02:04:04.44 | Kristina Feller | Because I think where we're leaning, and you heard the conversation, is that this commission is interested in approving this tonight, but conditioning it Um, for HBC final sign off on these four elements. the lighting, the signage programs, the planter boxes, and of course the railings. and our understanding of what you described to us about the railing is that it was pretty much the photo you were showing us less, a number of circles in the top band. Is there any other change? |
| 02:04:44.45 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 02:04:48.87 | Kristina Feller | If we move forward with this tonight, we want to be clear not only what the direction is, but what we're also conditioning and approving. from a procedural standpoint. |
| 02:05:00.11 | Michael Rex | I think I also mentioned we went have all the little circles in the box. There's quite a bit going on with that, rightly, it doesn't have to be quite that decorative. But other than that, it would look a lot like what you saw. Thank you. |
| 02:05:13.03 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 02:05:13.12 | Michael Rex | Thank you. |
| 02:05:13.15 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 02:05:13.49 | Michael Rex | Yeah. |
| 02:05:17.02 | Kristina Feller | And are you, you know, I know that we're all happy to hear that you want to move forward rather than do these one at a time, so thank you for that. Can you, are you able to commit to a timeframe for which you can do that, hoping that all four items at the same time You can go to HPC. and then the signage program comes back to us. |
| 02:05:45.11 | Michael Rex | Yeah, so I think three months is sufficient. personnel. |
| 02:05:50.31 | Kristina Feller | I appreciate that. |
| 02:05:52.45 | Michael Rex | you |
| 02:05:54.50 | Kristina Feller | Appreciate that. So we'll include that as part of the condition of approval. |
| 02:06:01.06 | Unknown | Okay? |
| 02:06:01.99 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um... Okay. |
| 02:06:07.84 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 02:06:08.79 | Kristina Feller | Yes, Commissioner Junais. |
| 02:06:10.17 | Andrew Junius | Clarifying question on the timing, I'm very supportive of that. I think Commissioner Luxembourg makes a really good point. This kind of keeps it on the front burner. Let's get it done. Let's make sure it doesn't fall to the wayside. Just to clarify, thank you. Um, Commissioner Luxenberg was your intent basically like three months from tonight, you know, a project approval from the commission happens tonight and the clock starts ticking Does that sound about right? |
| 02:06:35.42 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes, that was my thought. |
| 02:06:38.05 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 02:06:39.86 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 02:06:39.97 | Unknown | That's fine. |
| 02:06:40.43 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 02:06:44.33 | Kristina Feller | Thank you for the clarification, Commissioner Junius. Any other items, commissioners, at this time? Okay, if not, I will entertain a motion to approve. Bye. |
| 02:06:59.03 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I will make a motion to approve application. Number DRMPEA21. 00131 pursuant to the revised resolution that Jeffries submitted today with the additional provision of a requirement to provide the assignments program within three months. and acknowledgment of the issues that are going back to HPC. as defined tonight. |
| 02:07:41.26 | Andrew Junius | I'll second that. |
| 02:07:42.75 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much. Director Whelan, can you please take the roll call? |
| 02:07:46.56 | Director Whalen | Chair Fowler can I have just some clarification on the last part of the statement? I'm sorry, the acknowledgement of the issues going back to the HPC. |
| 02:07:54.81 | Kristina Feller | Certainly, certainly. So our understanding is that the that this commission approves the lighting and the planter boxes. and the railing as shown in the photo with the amendment that Mr. Rex identified the number of circles in the top band and the bottom band of the photograph. and that those three items, along with the signage program, will go back to HPC at one time for their review at one time. and then the signage program after they review and approve comes back to us. Thank you. The caveat, of course, as we know, is if H2PC does not agree with what we've approved tonight with the lighting, the planter boxes, and the railing, then it comes back to us again. |
| 02:08:37.74 | Unknown | THE END OF |
| 02:08:49.86 | Director Whalen | Thank you, Madam Chair, for that clarification. One additional question that just came up while you were talking. Is there a timing issue related to the other items that are going back to the HPC? Are we putting a three month time frame. on those and then my follow up question is, is the timing related to It's three months from effective date of the approval that the applicant needs to submit the applications or that we need to hear the applications. |
| 02:09:19.97 | Kristina Feller | So we're asking that all four items go back to HPC at one time so they can project. And Mr. Rex, on behalf of the applicant, has agreed that that program ready for the for hearing by the HPC within three months of our approval this evening. Once HPC approves assuming they approve that signage program, then it comes back to this commission right after. just the signage. |
| 02:09:58.17 | Director Whalen | Understood. The timing, the three month timing, I heard a couple of different things. I heard one, three months is for submittal of an application. And then I think I just heard that three months is to get them to a hearing. Three months to... TO HAVE THE PROJECT HEARD BY THE HPC if I could have some clarification on that. |
| 02:10:20.85 | Jeffery Luxenberg | on that if it's three months. Let me clarify what I was intending. I was intending three months to submit because the applicant can't control the HPCs. application process of when they schedule a year. And so I was intending the applicant must submit it within three months. |
| 02:10:40.97 | Mary Wagner | And if I may, Madam Chair and Commissioner Luxenberg, that works well, I believe from staff's perspective, I can let your community development director respond to that. But given the holiday schedule coming up too, I think that that is a helpful clarification. |
| 02:10:57.23 | Director Whalen | Yes, thank you very much. And I actually, I have a draft condition I can read into the record here to make sure it comports with your understanding. So within three months of the effective date of this approval, a signage plan for all commercial tenants at the subject site shall be developed and submitted for review and approval by the Historic Preservation Commission and Planning Commission. All signage at the subject site shall be consistent with the approved sign program. we need to incorporate the other condition regarding the other items as well and tie those into this condition, which we will do. |
| 02:11:30.31 | Kristina Feller | So just to reconfirm, those are the planter boxes, the lighting, and the railing. |
| 02:11:34.53 | Director Whalen | Got him. Thank you. |
| 02:11:35.39 | Kristina Feller | Okay. |
| 02:11:35.62 | Director Whalen | Thank you. So we – |
| 02:11:37.28 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Can I ask a |
| 02:11:37.31 | Director Whalen | Thank you. |
| 02:11:38.59 | Jeffery Luxenberg | A question, Director Wayland. can just because of the prominence of this building, when that application gets submitted, can you send a note to the Planning Commission indicating that that's been submitted and a link to the drawings so that we can see them when it goes to the Historic Preservation Commission so we don't have to get it on a Friday before Wednesday? |
| 02:12:03.70 | Director Whalen | We will do our very best to get that out to you when it's submitted. |
| 02:12:07.72 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 02:12:07.82 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you for making it. |
| 02:12:08.38 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. We have a motion and a second on the floor, so I'd like to gratify this. So Director Woodland, could you take the roll call? |
| 02:12:21.34 | Director Whalen | Commissioner Assad. Yes. Commissioner Luxembourg? |
| 02:12:27.45 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 02:12:28.24 | Director Whalen | Missionar Genius. |
| 02:12:29.66 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 02:12:30.55 | Director Whalen | I'm going to go ahead |
| 02:12:32.12 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I'm not sure. |
| 02:12:32.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:12:32.31 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 02:12:32.90 | Director Whalen | And Chair Feller. I think I heard a yes, I'm sorry Chair Feller. |
| 02:12:38.38 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 02:12:38.74 | Director Whalen | Yes, perfect. Great. Thank you so much. Motion carries 5-0 for approval. Any action of the planning commission may be appealed to the city council within 10 days decision if you would like to submit an appeal please contact the community development department for more information |
| 02:12:56.62 | Kristina Feller | Perfect. Thank you very much. And to the Petries and Mr. Rex, thank you very much for being here tonight, and thank you for your great work. or to see the project. |
| 02:13:12.76 | Kristina Feller | Okay, Director Whalen, can we move forward with the next item on our agenda? |
| 02:13:17.95 | Director Whalen | We can my computer following all the tech issues tonight. My other computer I was working off of did just crash so I think our next item here is communication items. Yeah. I'm correct. And I do have, Chair Feller, if I could go first here with staff's communication items, I have a list of items here. to update the commission on So the first is the 195 through 197 high Vista project that the planning commission approved in July. That project was appealed to the city council. City council heard that appeal on the 31st of August and unanimously denied the appeal and approved the planning commission's approval of the condominium conversion permit. Moving on to the housing element update, we have, we're working towards setting up our first HIAC meeting in October. I will be coordinating with the HEAC on that first date. and we'll be announcing the first meeting soon. In the meantime, staff are working internally on a data request from our consultant while they continue with our data gathering mode here. Moving on to the objective design and development standards, the city council adopted a resolution which listed all the objective standards in the city's municipal code that relate to multifamily housing projects. That was phase one. Phase two that the subcommittee is hard at work at is to objectify our more subjective standards. And our next subcommittee meeting will be at the end of September. And then we anticipate bringing the item to the historic preservation commission, the planning commission, and then the city council for review. |
| 02:14:46.18 | Unknown | THE FAMILY. |
| 02:14:57.67 | Director Whalen | AN UPDATE ON HIRING IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. are recruiting right now for three positions and the recruitments have closed and we are conducting interviews and making offers out to some excellent candidates that I had the pleasure of meeting. And so that's the permit services coordinator, assistant planner and principal planner. And so we'll hopefully be bringing them on in the next month or so. Another update on kind of recruitment and assistance in the department, we are starting an intern program with Sonoma State. THANKS TO SOME FUNDS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. And so we'll soon be having some student assistance in the planning world. with some planning related tasks that we need some help on. We also initiated an internship with a high school student, a local high school student who is assisting the department with sustainability items. And she's very interested in that work and she's already gotten started and has done some excellent work already. Moving on to the historic context statement, Mr. Verplank gave a presentation to the council on the 31st regarding the historic context statement COUNCIL WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THE REPORT. However, they did ask for some additional enhancements to the report to include a diversity equity and inclusion lens to the report. in Sausalito's history. building off of some of the policies and programs that we have in our newly adopted general plan. So we're taking another look at the report and we'll be making some modifications pursuant to the council's direction. North street stairs, an update on that. The soil has been, soil removal has been completed. The next step is to install more the railing and more railing is needed in that area than was there originally in order to bring it up to code. And so that's driving the cost up And it's been difficult to, to, um, be able to find the manufacturer to make the railings. We did receive a quote this week, but revisions are needed and we're working on getting them going. We don't have a completion date yet, but we'll keep the commission updated. Two more items here, the Landside Task Force recommendations, the Department or the Director of Public Works will be presenting to the council a request at their next meeting on the 14th related to the development of a geologic hazard study for the city. And so be prepared to see that on the council's agenda for next week. And finally, we have had some some code enforcement issues with some trees being cut in the city. And so I just wanted to let the commission know that our code enforcement officer um, is reaching out to the trees companies that have allegedly performed that work to try to get some information to see if there needs to be citations that are issued. And that concludes my communications out to the commission. Thank you for indulging me. |
| 02:18:00.61 | Kristina Feller | No, terrific. Thank you, Director Whalen, for all the updates. That's excellent. Um, I had on my list to ask you to report out on the tree cutting on flat, which was quite egregious. Is that one of your code enforcement issues? |
| 02:18:19.04 | Director Whalen | It is, it is, yeah, the code enforcement officer, she was out of the site this week and then I'm going to make contact with the alleged tree company. |
| 02:18:27.66 | Kristina Feller | Okay, because certainly the Planning Commission needs to be engaged at some point because those trees were larger than the 9 inch diameter. So we'll wait to hear from you on that. Um, I want to ask that for all of our future hearings, we continue what we have been doing before our August recess and agenda is under communications just so everyone can report out. any other additional work on subcommittees or task forces or Um, whatever we have going on committees. Or give everybody the opportunity to do that based on those of other assignments that they're working on. So maybe in two weeks we can include that here so that the public is aware that we report out on those things. Okay. And then Just to go back to the EDAC presentation that we're looking for Again, I just want to make sure we're on the same page with what we've been asking EDAC to do since in the year, we just want to get feedback from them. And that way it's really helpful to us as we're looking at conditional use permits what's happening in each of our different districts, whether it be the Old Town, whether it be downtown, whether it be Caledonia or elsewhere, So we have a better understanding about what their larger vision and strategy is for business and retail and attracting and retuning those. folks and then One of our task forces, or liaisons I should say, is also on the enforcement, which we've also asked EDAC to come and present as well on the 22nd, if it's deferred till then. I'm not sure. We'd love to hear about that plan at the same time, because I think they go hand in hand. we can do that. |
| 02:20:37.09 | Kristina Feller | The last thing I have to report, and then I'll ask everybody else, |
| 02:20:37.33 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:20:42.63 | Kristina Feller | I've asked both the city manager and the mayor for a joint hearing with the city council and planning commission which is pretty standard we do at least once a year but one of the focuses I was hoping that we could look at is Southern Rint Fire District has published some new or revised evacuation routes and some new standards and some for planting and, you know, evil species that they don't want to see, you know, in our hills and on our streets and such. So I thought that it would be really worthwhile to have a joint hearing so that they could do that presentation once to both parties. It affects, you know, we deal with that quite a lot on the commission. They certainly deal with that quite a lot on the council. and then really try to help carve out a task force focused on disaster preparedness, not a committee or a task force, but a separate task force, but something very specific to making sure that this is communicated to everybody and all of our residents here in Sausalito and that we are aware of how to help applicants clear areas near power lines and more vulnerable areas as well. So I've asked for that and hope to hear back from them. So that's all I had to report. We're getting into fire season. We're already in it, I should say. Does anybody else have anything to report out at this time? Just raise your hand. you Okay. Yes, Commissioner Saad. |
| 02:22:28.40 | Nastassya Saad | I actually just wanted to say that I will be missing our next Commission meeting. I tried to coordinate a different week with work but unfortunately I couldn't so I do have a I do have a vacation planned. So thank you. I will I will be gone but I will be seeing you guys again in October. |
| 02:22:45.97 | Kristina Feller | Very good, very good. Thank you for letting us know and enjoy the time off. |
| 02:22:49.80 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 02:22:50.34 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 02:22:51.01 | Kristina Feller | Very good. Okay, anybody else have anything to report out? Nope, I will. Then entertain a motion to adjourn. |
| 02:23:04.39 | Andrew Junius | Move to adjourn. |
| 02:23:05.98 | Kristina Feller | All in favor. |
| 02:23:07.62 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 02:23:07.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:07.82 | Andrew Junius | Aye. |
| 02:23:09.62 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, everybody. Have a great rest of your evening. |
| 02:23:11.77 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 02:23:11.78 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 02:23:11.80 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. Bye. |
| 02:23:12.04 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Good evening. |
| 02:23:13.03 | Nastassya Saad | Nice to see you guys. Thank you, everyone. Good night. Good night. |
| 02:23:14.72 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE I'm going to go to the |
| 02:23:15.14 | Director Whalen | everyone. |
| 02:23:16.58 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Good night. |
| 02:23:16.78 | Director Whalen | I can't. |
Jody Harris — In Favor: Urged approval of the project, noting that the outdoor dining component is essential for his business model. Asked the commission to move the project forward. ▶ 📄