| Time | Speaker | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00:02.16 | Patrick and Martina | Okay, Chair Feller. |
| 00:00:04.20 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Thank you. |
| 00:00:04.22 | Patrick and Martina | I hand it over to you. |
| 00:00:05.16 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Thank you. |
| 00:00:05.94 | Kristina Feller | Great, thank you so much, Maria. And good evening, everybody. Welcome to the regular planning commission meeting for Wednesday, April 6th. I'd like to call this meeting to order. and ask that our staff planner, Heidi Scoble, go ahead and take the roll call and provide some instruction. |
| 00:00:24.25 | Heidi | Thank you and good evening Chair Feller and planning commissioners. This meeting is being held pursuant to government code section 54953 subsection E. And in light of the declared state of emergency, the regular meeting of the planning commission on April 6th, 2022 is being conducted telephonically through Zoom and being broadcast live on the city's website. With that, we'll proceed right into our call to order. Commissioner Graff. I'm not sure. Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 00:00:52.31 | Jeffery Luxenberg | THE CITY IS GOING TO BE |
| 00:00:53.32 | Heidi | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:00:54.88 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Boom. |
| 00:00:55.69 | Heidi | Chair Feller. Yeah. and we'll mark that commissioner Saad is absent. |
| 00:01:02.22 | Kristina Feller | Great. Thank you so much, Heidi. The next item on our agenda is the approval of the agenda. Do I have any comments or a motion to approve? |
| 00:01:12.29 | Richard Graef | Move to approve. I can. |
| 00:01:15.60 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:01:15.61 | Heidi | Thank you. Commissioner Grass? |
| 00:01:18.45 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:01:18.48 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:01:18.50 | Mr. Tran | All right. |
| 00:01:18.62 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:01:18.74 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:01:18.77 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:01:19.17 | Heidi | Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 00:01:20.51 | Andrew Junius | Yes. |
| 00:01:20.93 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:01:21.27 | Heidi | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:01:22.52 | Andrew Junius | Yes. |
| 00:01:23.02 | Heidi | Chair Feller. |
| 00:01:24.02 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:01:24.05 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 00:01:24.15 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:01:24.27 | Heidi | Yes, motion carries. |
| 00:01:24.36 | Andrew Junius | Yes. |
| 00:01:25.23 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:01:25.30 | Mr. Tran | Thank you. |
| 00:01:25.32 | Kristina Feller | Oh, thank you. |
| 00:01:26.03 | Mr. Tran | Thank you. See? |
| 00:01:29.37 | Kristina Feller | Um, let's go ahead, Mr. Trent. Yeah. Mute. There we go. Thank you. Thank you very much. |
| 00:01:29.81 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 00:01:29.84 | Mr. Tran | Yeah. |
| 00:01:30.19 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 00:01:35.26 | Kristina Feller | The next item on the agenda is public comment for any items not on the agenda this evening. And Heidi, could you give the public some instruction on how to raise their hand to make that public comment? |
| 00:01:48.10 | Heidi | Yes, this is the time for the planning commission to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda, except in very limited situations, state law precludes the planning commission from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the planning commission may refer matters not on the agenda to staff or direct the subject to be agendized at a future meeting. In terms of taking public comment this evening, video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you'd like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom function. or a Zoom application and you'll be called upon it when it's your time to speak. To raise your hand from a phone, press star 9 and each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed. Before we jump into general public comments, I'd also like to point out that the city did receive two general public comments for items that were not on this agenda and they have been attached to the agenda. |
| 00:02:46.32 | Kristina Feller | Excellent, thank you so much Heidi. And I will note that we received those from a Richard Graff who is recused from one of the items that we've heard previously. for the planning commission and also from the Peter Van Meter So I'm just looking for any hands at this time in the in the audience. I am not seeing any, so at this time, I will close public comment and move on to our next item, which is communications. So Heidi, I'll go ahead and hand that over to you. |
| 00:03:18.58 | Heidi | Thank you. At the last planning commission meeting, the planning commission asked staff to return with three announcements. One was regarding the Valhalla project. So as you know, this is a project that has been under construction and going through the entitlement process since around 2012. And the project is almost ready to be completed. There's just two outstanding items that are remaining one would be the final map the tentative map parcel map was approved as part of this project and they're just going through the last little motions to get that map to the city council for approval and one of the other items that the applicant is still working through relates to a condition of approval that required a ADA access ramp to go down to Swedes Beach and the property owner has been working diligently with the CDC or the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission to get that ramp entitled and during this process the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission is slightly rethinking what it previously required and in the meantime the Saucyau de Marin City Sanitary District also has concerns regarding the ramp because it would be constructed over some primary infrastructure related to their pumping station and so so the applicant slash owner is working with DCDC and the Saucy city sanitary district to come up with an alternative. And that alternative will be placed on the May 4th planning commission agenda for consideration as to an amendment to the originally approved condition of approval. So the project cannot be finaled until that condition of approval is addressed and remedied. So, um, so the project cannot be finaled until, um, that condition of approval is addressed and remedied. Um, so that's, um, that does any of the, as a planning commissioners have a followup questions regarding that update |
| 00:05:17.92 | Kristina Feller | I do not just by show of hands. Do my fellow commissioners have any questions? I think we're just eager to get some resolution on on the matter so appreciate the update and um your work with the applicants. So thank you. |
| 00:05:33.56 | Heidi | Yeah, and one of the other outstanding items which has finally been resolved was the bus turnout. And the owner was going back and forth for a while and that turnout has actually been installed. and functional. which is great. So the Planning Commission also asked for an update regarding the project at 654 Saucelito Boulevard. That was a project that went through an entitlement process and no building permit applications have been submitted as of late. So there's nothing to report on that. And the last item was regarding a code enforcement update. And as you know, the city has been contracting out or outsourcing its code enforcement duties and responsibilities to CSG. The city has had a handful of different code enforcement officers. And the city is fortunate to have a new code enforcement officer. His name is Quentin. And he comes in with a lot of experience in code enforcement and that's actually has been able to jump in quickly he's working with our permit tracking system to actually update it on the back end so that we can actually have good reporting associated with it he's gone in identified that we have 106 outstanding code enforcement cases the lion's share of the code enforcement cases have to do with unpermitted work and short-term rentals and since he's been here starting the middle of march he's been able to close out eight project or eight code enforcement cases and resolve them and he's close to resolving five other cases and And he did identify that he's available to return to a future planning commission meeting and provide a more formal update on code enforcement. |
| 00:07:18.21 | Kristina Feller | That thank you very much, Heidi. I think that would be great to actually elevate the issue of enforcement by having the enforcement officer certainly come and provide greater detail to some of the issues. It certainly helps inform this commission and I'm sure others as well. So let's get that on a spring agenda and focus on that. |
| 00:07:44.57 | Heidi | Thank you. And with that, that can report out. |
| 00:07:48.65 | Andrew Junius | Thank you, Chair Feller. Quick question, Heidi, is Quinton city employee or contract employee? |
| 00:07:54.19 | Heidi | He's a contract employee. |
| 00:07:59.35 | Kristina Feller | Great. Okay, thank you very much. Are there any other items that staff would like to report out on? or our city attorney Anything that we need to be aware of or would report out on? |
| 00:08:16.87 | Heidi | I would say the last item is that, as you know, the community development department has been working through its staffing issues and starting next Monday, April 11th, we'll have Dan Hortert from 4Leaf Consultant start as the interim director. And we'll also have 4Leaf staff be providing supplemental staffing services as the city goes through its recruitment process to formalize the community development staffing. |
| 00:08:47.76 | Kristina Feller | Great. And I see our city attorney has also popped up here. |
| 00:08:52.07 | Mary Wagner | Thank you, Chair Feller. Just a quick update to the Planning Commission to let you know that another attorney in my office, Sergio Rudin, is going to take over responsibility for the Planning Commission meeting starting at your next meeting in April. So I'll probably pop on briefly to introduce him to you, but I wanted to give you a heads up that that is going to take place. |
| 00:09:16.99 | Kristina Feller | Great. Thank you very much. |
| 00:09:18.97 | Mary Wagner | You bet. |
| 00:09:21.68 | Kristina Feller | Okay. If there are no other staff communications, I can move into commissioner communications. And let's go ahead and start with the objective design and development standards subcommittee. |
| 00:09:31.33 | Adam East | and development standards. |
| 00:09:33.83 | Kristina Feller | or odds as we refer to it. And I'd like to ask Vice Chair Junius if he'd like to start us out on an update. |
| 00:09:41.04 | Andrew Junius | Sure, thank you, Chair Feller. Not a lot to report. I'm hoping that Opticose is moving ahead, but I haven't really received any given the staff situation and totally understandable, haven't received much of an update, we're, I know you and I are ready to go with the next meeting. So as soon as we are informed as to how OptiCoast is moving ahead, Um, We will move ahead. And I had one other item. I thought it was interesting, just so the commission knows that SB9 is on the calendar tonight and we'll be working through that the next month or so. Um, But it's interesting, a couple of cities have actually taken the state to court over SB9. and the state of the state. The state of the state of the state, the state of the state, So we'll be tracking those pretty carefully. That's an interesting development. Thank you, Trevor. |
| 00:10:31.54 | Kristina Feller | Very interesting, thank you. Um, And then the HEAC, the Housing Element Advisory Committee, which I sit on with Commissioner Saad, who was not with us this evening, we did have our last hearing on March 28th, Monday, March 28th. At that time, we did discuss the site selection. It is not complete yet. We've also issued two surveys and a mailer to all residents and interested parties and businesses here in Sausalito I do hope that everybody has taken that survey. If you have not, we would ask you to do so. If you did not receive a mailer, the information is also in Sausalito Currents. and the community development department can be contacted for that information it is on The links to the surveys are on the website. So all of that information is out there. And we ask that everybody take those surveys by April 15th. and the importance of those surveys is pretty paramount to what the housing element is doing. And this is the time to get critical public community input. It really does matter. It really does shape the discussion. And it does determine exactly what the proposal is to the state. So please take those seriously. Please help us put together the housing element submission that is required by the state. It's a huge number. We appealed this decision. We still have the number 724 units. So it's pretty significant and it's going to really impact Sausalito. And we want to make sure that that's as soft an impact as possible. So your voice and your input is really needed. The next hearing is on April 19th. And that information also is on the website and we will continue to promote that meeting to make sure that everybody in our community is present or participates in some way, please do send us written comment. Don't wait for a meeting. There's no need to wait for a meeting. You can send us written comments anytime you would like. Again, the email addresses and all the contact information is on the website. And if you have any trouble at all, please contact the Community Development Department, and they will be very happy to help you and delighted that we're getting engagement from the public. um, We have about two more months to finalize the site assessment, so your input's critical. The environmental impact report and CEQA will start based on the site assessment and site selection. We are selecting a larger amount of sites than we might need knowing that the probability of some of those falling off through the environmental impact report. will happen. So just really ask and plead for everybody's participation and input on that's very critical. So I have nothing more to add on that. Um, Let's see, Commissioner Luxenberg, do you have any announcements for any plans you're working on? |
| 00:13:54.79 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I mean, Not at this time, no. |
| 00:13:59.26 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. And Commissioner Braff, do you? I'm not. |
| 00:14:03.51 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:14:03.56 | Kristina Feller | All right. |
| 00:14:03.90 | Richard Graef | first time. |
| 00:14:05.33 | Kristina Feller | Open. |
| 00:14:05.84 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:14:06.45 | Kristina Feller | Okay, great. So if there are no other comments at this time, let's go ahead and take public comment on our communications. So at this time, if you could please raise your hand in the zoom application or hit star nine. on your cell phone. This is public comment on the communication items, which is item number four. on our agenda this evening. So I'm just looking for hands at this time. Okay seeing none I will go ahead and I'll close public comment and let's move on to item number five which is the approval of the planning commission meeting minutes. First, does anybody have any comments or edits on the meeting notes? Commissioner Luxenberg? |
| 00:14:50.95 | Jeffery Luxenberg | No. I'm all set. |
| 00:14:53.71 | Kristina Feller | Mr. Graff? |
| 00:14:55.16 | Jeffery Luxenberg | None. |
| 00:14:55.52 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:14:55.55 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:14:55.57 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:14:57.00 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:14:59.11 | Andrew Junius | Oh, no comments. |
| 00:15:01.81 | Kristina Feller | I just had one on page two, it's line kind of 13 and 14. It said the OBDS is working with Salcido Beautiful. Was that meant to be ODDS for odds? Yeah. Okay, that's the only... |
| 00:15:14.79 | Unknown | Okay. |
| 00:15:15.03 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Okay. |
| 00:15:16.82 | Kristina Feller | only edit I have So with that one, I would take a motion to approve the meeting minutes. |
| 00:15:26.96 | Andrew Junius | to approve? Second. |
| 00:15:31.70 | Heidi | Thank you. Commissioner Grass. |
| 00:15:34.69 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 00:15:35.53 | Heidi | Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 00:15:36.78 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:15:38.01 | Heidi | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:15:39.24 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:15:40.05 | Heidi | Chair Feller. Yes. Motion passes as amended. |
| 00:15:44.68 | Kristina Feller | Terrific. Thank you very much. So with that, let's move ahead into item six, which are our public hearing items. And for that, I will hand that over to you, Heidi. |
| 00:15:55.27 | Heidi | Thank you. So this is actually before we get into the public hearing items, this is the time where the commissioners can identify or declare any ex parte communications. Chair Feller, as a point of order, would you like the commissioners to share any ex parte communications associated with each agenda item, or would you like this to be a global discussion in terms of declaring any outside communication. |
| 00:16:19.78 | Kristina Feller | Thank you for asking, Heidi. I think let's make it global so we can declare at once any item on our public hearing items. |
| 00:16:35.00 | Kristina Feller | Okay, so Commissioner Luxenberg, do you have any ex parte communication? |
| 00:16:39.77 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you, Chair Feller. Adam Easton and I met with the applicant at 38 Alexander to look at the tree that was the subject of the application that you cannot access from the road. You have to go through the house. We went through the house and onto the deck and were able to see the tree from below, but we did not have any ex-parte communications. I also did view 110 4th Street from multiple vantage points, including a backyard, which I had to go through part of the house at 411 Main Street with the owner of that property, but I did not have any expert communications in any of those cases as well. |
| 00:17:20.93 | Kristina Feller | Excellent. Thank you. Thank you very much. Commissioner Graff, do you have any ex parte communications to declare? |
| 00:17:27.66 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:17:27.70 | Andrew Junius | . |
| 00:17:30.75 | Kristina Feller | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:17:32.39 | Andrew Junius | No ex parte communications. |
| 00:17:34.97 | Kristina Feller | Okay, I just want to report out that I did visit two neighbors over on 4th Street at 107, and 1-11-11. I did view the vantage point from their gardens. I did not go in the house and I did not discuss any merits of the project. Other than that, nothing to declare on my part. Okay, so let's move ahead into item 6A, which is the public hearing regarding Senate Bill 9. |
| 00:18:09.09 | Heidi | Thank you, Chair Feller. As stated on the agenda, staff is recommending that this item be continued to a date certain, which would be April 20th. However, the commissioners can also determine a date certain as well, if you would like to push this out a little bit further. |
| 00:18:26.96 | Kristina Feller | I would like to make a motion to... to move this hearing item, to continue this hearing item to a date certain of May 4th. |
| 00:18:42.83 | Andrew Junius | I second that. |
| 00:18:42.89 | Kristina Feller | Second. Okay? And I would also like to move for another item, which I'm not sure if we have to vote on. So I will ask staff to guide me here. But I would also like to establish a planning commission working group to focus on as the SB nine draft that was put in front of the ordinance. This is such a critical issue. with a lot of potential impact to Sausalito that this really requires a lot of input and guidance from the planning commission. And if everyone is agreeable, I would like to appoint Commissioner Luxembourg and Vice Chair Junius to act as the Planning Commission's working group on this particular item and help come back and work with legislative committee and staff to be able to come back to that May 4th date certain Um, of this item. |
| 00:19:44.69 | Andrew Junius | I'd be happy to. Thank you, Chair Feller. |
| 00:19:47.10 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I would be happy to as well. Thank you, Chair Cullen. |
| 00:19:50.04 | Kristina Feller | THANK YOU BOTH. Thank you, Bo. So let's go ahead and take a vote on the motion to continue this item to a date certain of May 4th. And please advise our city attorney is here. If you can help us advise if we have to vote in parallel to the working group or if that, I can just appoint that. |
| 00:20:14.32 | Mary Wagner | I'm not sure. I think that you can I think that action is taken uh Chair Feller you've you've uh asked your fellow commissioners to serve in that capacity and they've agreed so I think we're good to go there and thank you for that just briefly I think that'll be super helpful to staff to have that input and I look forward to to working with Commissioner Luxenberg and Vice Chair Junius on that. Quick point of clarification you mentioned the legislative committee having the working group work with the legislative committee. We have not scheduled another city council legislative committee meeting. That is a Brown Act, you know, notice public meeting, but I think that staff we can work with the working group and bring something forward to the commission and appreciate the little bit of extra time to to get that work done so thank you uh chair feller members of the commission |
| 00:21:01.02 | Kristina Feller | Great, thank you. Okay, so Heidi, let's take a roll call vote for continuing this item to a date certain of May 4th. Thank you. |
| 00:21:11.43 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 00:21:11.46 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:21:11.56 | Heidi | All right. |
| 00:21:12.32 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 00:21:13.03 | Heidi | Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 00:21:14.21 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:21:14.87 | Heidi | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:21:16.24 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:21:16.61 | Heidi | Thank you. Chair Feller. |
| 00:21:18.19 | Kristina Feller | Yes. Thank you. |
| 00:21:19.46 | Heidi | PUSHING CARRIES. |
| 00:21:19.97 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Great, thank you very much. Moving on to item 6B this is 38 Alexander and I believe Our assistant planner, Adam East, is here to provide a presentation. Welcome. |
| 00:21:33.87 | Adam East | Thank you, Chair Feller. I will share my screen here in just a moment. |
| 00:21:48.72 | Adam East | Okay, and can everyone see my screen? So |
| 00:21:52.60 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:21:54.02 | Adam East | Okay, great. |
| 00:21:59.25 | Adam East | Okay, thank you again, Chair Feller and commissioners. The request before you tonight is a continuation of an agenda item that was first heard at the March 2nd meeting. And this request is a tree removal permit application at 38 Alexander. It is for the removal of one cook pine tree, which is located towards the rear of the property out facing towards the bay. You can see it circled here on the graphic. And again, this project background, the request was first heard at the March 2nd meeting where the planning commission moved to continue the agenda item date certain to the April 6th meeting. This allowed the applicant to provide a supplemental arborist report with additional information about the condition of the tree. So certified arborist Dr. Julen provided that updated report March 9th. |
| 00:22:39.87 | Mr. Tran | Thank you. |
| 00:22:43.82 | Adam East | And that report was included in your staff report as attachment two. In addition, the original arborist report was included as attachment five as well. So this is a little bit of information about the tree as a refresher. It is a 16-inch diameter of breast height tree that qualifies it as a heritage tree per the ordinance. It is located on the downhill slope at the rear of the home, which is facing towards the bay. And at the last meeting, it was pointed out that it is starting to affect the structural integrity of the walkway. So these are a bit of the findings from the updated arborist report dated March 9th. So the arborist goes on to identify that the cook pine exhibit signs of root system failure and the tree is likely to fail. And he knows there is a shifting of the trees position on the steep slope. And it's actually due to the increased mass due to vigorous growth. So ironically, it's the health of the tree that's causing the root system failure. He goes on to further describe the conditions of the soil, noting that it's actually quite a shallow soil on bedrock. And he goes on to explain, all of these factors that can affect the condition of the soil and the root stability. So it's the combination of these factors that make this tree a high-risk failure, including high winds and storms, the shallow soil, the increased mass of the tree due to the vigorous growth. Um, and decreased friction due to soil saturation. So he concludes his report by stating again that this tree is a high risk failure and should be removed as soon as possible. to prevent property damage. He also states that the tree is actually causing soil instability rather than soil stability. And that removal of the tree will improve the soil conditions on site and will also allow a condition or an environment where the other plants on site will benefit from the reduced competition for water, nutrients, and sunlight. So the arborist does recommend removal of this tree. These are some additional photos that I took on site. Commissioner Luxenberg mentioned that we did meet on site with the owners. So I just took these for additional context as to the conditions on site. So you can see the photo in the middle. The tree is located on a very steep slope right here towards the base of the retaining wall. and does point out towards the bay. So although the tree, if it were to fall, would fall out towards the bay, it's that soil erosion that would contribute to or cause structural issues to the walkway and the retaining wall. And that would result in property damage. So again, we included staff analysis on the findings in that staff report. we conclude that we do recommend approval for this tree removal in accordance with that staff report and in accordance with the findings of the updated arborist report dated March 9th. And that concludes the presentation. |
| 00:25:44.41 | Kristina Feller | Thank you so much, Adam. Thank you for the presentation and for working so diligently with the applicant and some of the commission here to make sure we had better information than we did the last time that we heard that. So this is the time for commissioners to ask staff any questions. And I'll start with you, Commissioner Luxenberg. You've had the benefit of being on site to look at this with Adam. |
| 00:26:08.14 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I just want to thank Adam for his updated report and appreciate the fact that he did go out to the site and set up that site visit for me, but I have no additional questions at this time. Thank you. |
| 00:26:20.85 | Kristina Feller | Great, thank you. Commissioner Graff. |
| 00:26:24.41 | Richard Graef | I don't have any questions, but I also want to, thank Adam for his efforts to the condition and the clarified more about the about the tree situation there so i appreciate that Thanks. |
| 00:26:45.23 | Kristina Feller | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:26:47.15 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:26:47.17 | Andrew Junius | No questions at this time, thanks. |
| 00:26:48.99 | Kristina Feller | Okay, thank you. You know, Adam, if you could just maybe add a little bit more flavor or color in as to the delta between the original report that we got stating that the tree was healthy and all of that and this this report that would be very helpful not just to me but i'm sure for the rest of the public here. |
| 00:27:15.34 | Adam East | Sure, are you asking for kind of a comparison between the two staff reports and why additional information was requested. |
| 00:27:23.67 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:27:24.41 | Adam East | Okay, so I believe there was some confusion from the outset with why the application originated whether it was a result of a view impact from a neighboring property, whether it was the tree itself causing failure of the walkway. So I think that there was some confusion originally why this tree was being requested for removal. And the additional arborist report provided clarification that although the tree is healthy, it's causing some issues with the root system of the tree and that's a combination of factors with the soil conditions on site the steepness of the slope the vigorous growth of the tree which is adding mass at the top of the tree which is again putting strain on those roots so i think those were the additional clarifying points that were provided in this updated report that might not have been specifically addressed in that original report. And the arborist is in attendance on the meeting tonight as well. I should clarify. |
| 00:28:25.05 | Kristina Feller | Terrific, great, thank you. And again, as everyone else stated, thank you for all your hard work on this. If there are no other questions from the commission at this time for staff, let's go ahead and invite the applicant up here to present their request for the tree removal. Is that Mr. Tran? |
| 00:28:46.04 | Mr. Tran | Yes. |
| 00:28:47.15 | Kristina Feller | Mr. Tran welcome welcome this evening. |
| 00:28:48.67 | Mr. Tran | I see. Thank you. |
| 00:28:50.34 | Kristina Feller | Good evening. Good evening. And I understand your arborist is here as well. |
| 00:28:51.12 | Mr. Tran | Stevie. |
| 00:28:55.34 | Mr. Tran | Yes. |
| 00:28:55.66 | Kristina Feller | Let's go to Rhea if we could, our Zoom team, get our timer up here on the screen as well. So welcome this evening. You'll have 15 minutes to make a presentation. You're welcome to use all of that or if you'd like to use some of it later on after we ask some questions and you hear public comment, that's completely your discretion. So the floor is yours, welcome. |
| 00:29:20.90 | Mr. Tran | I don't have any comment at the moment. Your request. Oh, I'm sorry. You want to get the. |
| 00:29:26.66 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:29:27.13 | Mr. Tran | Thank you. Oh, I... Yeah, actually, I want to have my godmother speak for my behalf. |
| 00:29:31.43 | Unknown | Okay, hello. I I'm, I appreciate everything Adam said. It was really a really succinct report that he gave in conjunction with Dr. Kent. And yes, we're excited about the fact that we can remove this tree. because it's taken a long time. for it to happen. So we appreciate everything We are looking forward to going through with our removal. That's really all we really have to say. |
| 00:30:01.12 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Would you like your arborist to address any parts of the report? Yes. |
| 00:30:05.71 | Unknown | parts of the report? Yes. Yes, I would. |
| 00:30:07.39 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 00:30:09.00 | Unknown | THANK YOU. |
| 00:30:09.12 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Okay. Maybe Adam, you can help me. Is that... |
| 00:30:15.33 | Unknown | Dr. Kent. |
| 00:30:16.46 | Kristina Feller | Okay, great. |
| 00:30:16.54 | Unknown | I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. Good night. |
| 00:30:18.94 | Kristina Feller | Welcome Dr. Kent. |
| 00:30:21.23 | Dr. Kent | Hey there. |
| 00:30:21.72 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:30:22.24 | Kristina Feller | There you go. |
| 00:30:23.81 | Dr. Kent | Thank you. I keep the tape on there just in case someone else is looking in my room. Let me, um... I appreciate the opportunity to talk about this tree some more. And I'm glad it's more clear this time that this tree is actually is failing as a result of I uh, being in these shallow soils on a steep hill. Um, cook pines naturally lean. I think that was brought up at the last meeting that I did not attend, but I heard that, um, There is a point that they normally lean. Yes, they do normally lean towards the equator. in the northern hemisphere they lean to the south so the lower part of this tree actually leans to the north and that's as a result of the tree moving down the hill. And then it does naturally curve back to the south. in the Northern Hemisphere do. So I think there was some confusion about that. Um, The cracks in the walkway are pretty evident and they get wider as you walk toward the And I worry that the tree will tumble and, you know, take more soil with it than is necessary. I also did not recommend replacing the tree with another tree, you know, out of fear that we'll repeat this mistake. |
| 00:31:58.48 | Dr. Kent | Um, that's, that's a, if there are any questions about the report or, you know, I realize it's counterintuitive that a tree can actually make, slopes less stable, but that's It's been well documented and it's with lots of research on avalanche paths up in Pacific Northwest. So we have a shallow soil, you have a heavy object on that soil, whether it's a tree or it can actually create a landslide by additional loading. So whenever I see something like this, I get a little bit concerned, especially because there are houses directly above this tree. So we don't want to create an unstable slope. |
| 00:32:48.41 | Kristina Feller | Perfect. Thank you so much, Mr. Tran, Mr. Ken, Dr. Kent, excuse me. Let's go ahead and stop the timer at this time. Thank you, Maria. And don't go too far away, Dr. Kent. This is a time for commissioners to... ask any questions of the applicant team here. So thank you for popping back on screen here. I'll go back to Commissioner Luxembourg to start us off if he has any questions of you. |
| 00:33:19.82 | Jeffery Luxenberg | No questions at this time. Thank you, Chair Fowler. |
| 00:33:22.67 | Kristina Feller | Okay, great. Thank you. Commissioner Graff. |
| 00:33:26.16 | Jeffery Luxenberg | No question. |
| 00:33:26.84 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:33:28.09 | Kristina Feller | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:33:29.40 | Andrew Junius | No questions. |
| 00:33:30.74 | Kristina Feller | I do not have any either. I will note that you still have some time left on your clock, So I've written down 11 minutes and 54 seconds. We're gonna go ahead and take public comment now and then you'll have a chance. If you wanna make any comment after that, you're welcome to do that. So at this time, I'm going to open this item up for public comment to do so. If you could kindly raise your hand in the Zoom application or press star nine on your cell phone. |
| 00:34:03.80 | Kristina Feller | I am not seeing any hands raised in the public. So I'm going to go ahead and close public comment. Again, Mr. Tran, Dr. Kent, if you have any last minute items that you'd want to add now would be the time to do so before we start our deliberations as a commission. |
| 00:34:21.60 | Mr. Tran | Thank you. |
| 00:34:21.62 | Dr. Kent | No comment. |
| 00:34:22.21 | Kristina Feller | I'm not. |
| 00:34:24.10 | Dr. Kent | I just like to say one thing that I, that I pride myself on being objective and, and not, um, serving an applicant in their need to do something that's devious. And I have a clear conscience on this. And I've also served the city of Sausalito for the last 10 years as a consulting arborist. So I'm familiar with the territory and I understand the issues and the red herrings. And this one is clear. from me. But it's a danger. |
| 00:34:57.24 | Kristina Feller | Appreciate that very much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay, so let's go ahead and turn this back up to our virtual dais here and let's start our deliberation. Um, And I might, um, ask you again, Commissioner Luxembourg, just because you've had the benefit of being on that site, if you'd like to start us off. |
| 00:35:22.26 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you, Chair Feller. The walkway is clearly shifting and cracked from appears to be from the tree and also whatever is under the walkway. The tree appears to be in a very steep slope it appears to be coming out of the slope. It doesn't even appear to be coming out of the ground. And so it does seem like it could eventually fail. And it's not, it doesn't seem like an appropriate place for a tree. And as I did on the last one over on Second Street, I like to save trees where we possibly can. but this one seems like the arbor, you know, I'm not an arborist, so I have to trust the arborist's report that says that, you know, it is not the best place for a tree and it could fail and therefore it could cause damage. If it were to fail, as Adam says, it would fall into the water. So it's probably not gonna hit a building, but I can see where, given how the tree is coming out of the slope I could see where it could pull with it and cause a slide so again I concurring with the arborist report for what I saw in person. Thank you, Chair Fellick. Thank you. |
| 00:36:43.45 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much. I appreciate that and taking the time to go on site as well with our planner, Adam East. Um, commissioner graph. |
| 00:36:52.88 | Richard Graef | Oh, thanks, Chair Feller. I couldn't get to visit the site, but the photos certainly show the condition and I think the arborist report is pretty convincing So at this point, I would support the removal of the tree. |
| 00:37:18.14 | Kristina Feller | Okay, great. I'm assuming that Commissioner Luxembourg or our planner Adam East, it is not suitable terrain for a replacement tree. Is that a fair deduction? |
| 00:37:37.97 | Adam East | I would, sorry. |
| 00:37:38.23 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Oh. Go ahead. Yeah, to look at another tree on this property, given the slope and given how there's one side of the house is water, the other side is the driveway going in. So it would not be appropriate to replace the tree on site. |
| 00:37:57.87 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. All right, Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:38:02.21 | Andrew Junius | Thank you, Chair Feller. And again, I do want to thank Commissioner Luxembourg for taking the time I would have I think it's pretty clear what the facts on the ground are and I reluctantly, it looks like I'm gonna support this as well. It's really unfortunate to see a healthy mature tree you have to go, but these are the circumstances my only final observation would be I mean, had we had this detail in the arborist report to begin with, we probably would have had one hearing and this wouldn't be back here a second time. So that's unfortunate. |
| 00:38:32.68 | Kristina Feller | Yeah. Great. Thank you very much. I would probably echo all of those comments. Really appreciate the detail. It is much more helpful. to be able to deliberate in a more realistic way here with the detail that's in that report and the analysis that was done. in terms of the project at this point I would I would support a true removal permit but would require contributions to our tree fund for a replacement tree if it is not suitable, if it's been determined that it's not suitable to have a replacement tree on site as required. So that would be my thoughts about it. So at this point, I would entertain a motion. |
| 00:39:22.30 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I could make a motion to approve the treaty removal permit subject to the condition that you're suggesting. Sure. |
| 00:39:37.35 | Richard Graef | I'll second that. I'm not sure. |
| 00:39:39.20 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:39:40.35 | Heidi | Okay. |
| 00:39:42.04 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 00:39:42.05 | Heidi | Heidi? |
| 00:39:42.90 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 00:39:42.92 | Heidi | Commissioner Grass? |
| 00:39:44.52 | Mary Wagner | um i apologize for interrupting um chair feller just to for clarity for staff purposes so we'll be using the fee schedule established by the city council in their last resolution and include that in the condition of approval is that Okay, great. Thank you. |
| 00:39:58.95 | Kristina Feller | Correct. |
| 00:40:01.39 | Mary Wagner | Sorry for interrupting. |
| 00:40:02.56 | Kristina Feller | Not at all, not at all, thank you. Clarity is always good. |
| 00:40:08.01 | Heidi | That's elite. So commissioner Graff. Yes. Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 00:40:13.41 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:40:14.17 | Heidi | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 00:40:15.45 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 00:40:16.13 | Heidi | Chair Feller. Thank you. |
| 00:40:18.03 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 00:40:19.25 | Heidi | Motion passes. |
| 00:40:21.58 | Kristina Feller | Terrific. Thank you, everybody. And thank you, Dr. Kent and Mr. Tram. and to our planner Adam East. Really appreciate that thoroughness. Thank you. |
| 00:40:31.79 | Adam East | Thank you, Chair Feller. Thank you, Commissioners. |
| 00:40:34.94 | Kristina Feller | Okay, moving on to item 6C, this is 110. 110 fourth street excuse me uh design review permit and lot line adjustment uh heidi i will hand that to you or is that cecilia i'm sorry |
| 00:40:49.37 | Heidi | Chair Feller, I'm just going to kick off this item and then I'll hand this over to our contract planner, Cecilia. So I just wanted to identify that procedurally there was a noticing error associated with this agenda item this evening. It actually started at the January 26th meeting and staff did not catch it until today. So essentially what was happening is that although the notice and the agenda is accurate, there's information in the notice that identifies this item as a study session. And despite the item being continued to a date certain from the January 26th meeting, it stated in the body of that original January notice that staff would re-notice it. And since we have not done this, staff is recommending that the planning commission conducts a public hearing this evening, take public comment, direct staff to prepare the necessary noticing, but continue this item to a date certain April 20th, staff would re-notice the item. And essentially what would happen at the next meeting on April 20th is we'd have a more streamlined approach. We'd identify this as the first public hearing agenda item. Staff would not provide a presentation, public comment would be taken, and then the planning commission would then take action. So with that, I will hand this over to our contract planner, Cecilia from MIG, and we can go from there. |
| 00:42:21.34 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Thank you. I'm Cecilia Jaroslavsky, contract planner, presenting this item before you tonight with your permission. I would like to share my screen. |
| 00:42:47.39 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | And can everyone see that? |
| 00:42:49.20 | Kristina Feller | We can thank you Cecilia. |
| 00:42:51.39 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Great, thank you. Good afternoon, commissioners. The site is located at 110 fourth street within the general plan, medium high density residential land use designation. and within the two family residential R2. zoning district. The project is for the renovation and expansion of the existing 1,431 square foot single family residence, the renovation of the existing carport. and the construction of a new 1,795 square foot single family dwelling and was reviewed at a study session on March 3rd, 2021. And on January 26, 2022, The commission reviewed the project and considered comments from residents regarding concerns over loss of views. of the Bay and the commission determined that additional information was required to more thoroughly review the project. |
| 00:43:45.66 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | additional information requested at that hearing included more neighboring FAR percentages clarification of structure height. of how the car lift would function. more clearly demonstrate how onsite parking would work. show the existing culvert on the site plan. show any mechanisms to be located on both roof areas. show and or site green roof material on the new single family structure. show consistent materials for both structures and address additional neighborhood outreach to deal with loss of use. Thank you. Pursuant to commission comments, working with the chief engineer, city of Sausalito, The applicant submitted a culvert plan showing the location of the existing culvert demonstrating the culvert runs east-west along the subject North property line. TO CLEAN OUT on 4th street is approximately 100 feet from Main Street. The clean out on Third Street is approximately 30 feet from Main Street. |
| 00:44:49.99 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The commission requested additional information on the neighboring use size. Based on submitted data, the average FAR on the east and west side of this block on 4th Street is 51%. This zoning district allows for up to a maximum FAR of 65% and the project is proposing 51%, which is the average on the block. |
| 00:45:13.82 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The below grade garage car lift would allow for one vehicle to pull in and then be lowered to allow for an additional vehicle to park on top. I believe the applicant will present detailed information on how the car lift would operate. for onsite parking spaces would be provided. landscaping would not include any trees within the front within the front yard and the existing fig tree would be removed. This has also been added as a condition of approval. |
| 00:45:44.46 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The new footprint and room design of the renovated existence residence at the front of the lot has not been modified from the last public hearing. except to reduce the height at the front of the structure. based on comments received at the January 26, 22, Commission hearing the applicant eliminated the ridgeline of the front structure by creating a curvilinear roof along the front of the structure. resulting in further reducing the height of the renovated structure along the front property line Originally from 17 feet, one inch to 15 feet, six inches and now proposes a height of 14 feet above finished grade. The proposed height of the rear portion of the structure has been reduced from 20 feet 4 inches to 19 feet nine inches above grade at the rear of the structure. This slide demonstrates the structure side view elevation as it relates to the location on 4th Street. |
| 00:46:40.15 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The height has been reduced as mentioned previously, this demonstrates. a visual of what that looks like. |
| 00:46:50.56 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | based on public hearing comments to address privacy concerns raised by the resident located at 411 Main Street. At the rear of the project site, the applicant has removed the proposed rear deck along the north wall of the rear of the new structure and reduced and relocated windows along that wall. |
| 00:47:13.49 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The elevation demonstrates the proposed modification facing 411 Main Street. the resident at 411 Main Street. is now in support of modification. |
| 00:47:28.65 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The section demonstrates the elevation of the proposed roof lines for both structures as compared to 4th Street. the rear structure would be 5.5 feet shorter. than the front structure. |
| 00:47:45.14 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Per commission comments, both structures would incorporate consistent materials. including wood shingle siding, cement plaster and stucco, gray stucco wash, with wood tones. and placed concrete wood fascia to match existing and anodized windows. Both structures would be in the style of modern architectural design and per commission comments, both structures would incorporate consistent materials. The detached garage car lift would have a 42-inch concrete wall. on three sides and included wood trellis. |
| 00:48:24.66 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Staff conducted several site visits over the course of project changes. These demonstrate the roof line from across the street and to the south. |
| 00:48:35.90 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | This slide shows the roofline to the bay and to the north. |
| 00:48:43.59 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Staff took photos from the residents at 103 and 105 4th Street across the street. demonstrating the effect of the reduced roof line on the view from this location. The photograph on the left is at the first floor level and the photograph on the right is at the second level. |
| 00:49:03.99 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | These staff photos are from the residents at 107 4th street, also across the street from the front door and the front yard area. So the photograph on the left is from the front door and the photo on the right is a little further into the front yard. |
| 00:49:21.58 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | This photo was taken from the front door of 109 4th Street, also across the street. at a little bit higher elevation |
| 00:49:31.41 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | This photo is from the garage door of 115 and 117 4th Street that is directly across the street. |
| 00:49:43.13 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The ordinance defines view as any view of the Sausalito waterfront, San Francisco Bay, Mount Tam, Strawberry Point, Tiburon, Belvedere, Angel Island, East Bay and or the city of San Francisco. or including significant aesthetic, cultural, natural or historical features. View primary means any view distance from primary viewing areas of a dwelling, such as a living room, dining room, kitchen, master bedroom, or deck and patio spaces serving such living areas. The secondary view shall be any view from bathrooms, accessory bedrooms, passageway and utility areas. Included in the ordinance, it is important to mention the term view does not mean an unobstructed panorama of all or any of the above. The project as proposed meets the required general plan CD 3.1 policy in that some minor views Some minor loss of view may be consistent with the policy if necessary to protect property rights And the applicant has modified the project by reducing the height of the structure twice to address new concerns. The project also meets design review findings in that the project is consistent with the general scale of structures in the area. The project has been designed to minimize obstruction of views and primary views from private property by reducing the height of the structure. and will not result in a prominent building profile. Further, the proposed structure is substantially lower than the adjacent multi-unit building to the south. lower than the adjacent building to the north. And although the front roof line has been reduced to 14 feet above finished grade, residents across the street may experience minor loss of views of the bay. I've seen in the submitted photos. The larger view obstruction, the fig tree at the front of the property would be removed, which may effectively increase the view area to residents across the street and a condition of approval has been added to ensure the fig tree is removed and no trees would be planted within the front yard. |
| 00:51:47.51 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | This slide demonstrates the renderings of the project modification history. |
| 00:51:59.49 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The staff believes findings can be made for approval of the design review, lot line adjustment and detached dwelling units and recommends approval of the requested permit. That concludes my presentation commissioners. I'm available for questions and I believe the applicant is also in attendance. |
| 00:52:20.13 | Kristina Feller | Thank you so much for your presentation and your work with the applicant since we last saw this project in January. So thank you for that. Let's go ahead, if you don't mind, we'll stop sharing the screen here. Um, Thank you. And this would be the time for commissioners to ask, ask you any questions about, the work and the presentation and any of any of the findings. So Commissioner Graff, let's go ahead and start with you. |
| 00:52:56.97 | Richard Graef | Okay, thanks. I'd like to reference Uh, they, drawing number 4.0 where it shows a Um, what I guess is a sight line from someplace. And it's not clear where that sight line is from, And it shows it skimming the top of the curved roof and down past the other room. Um, So I was a little unclear as to The exact Um, implication of that sight line I guess it's a sight line shown on that sheet And also I was looking at the overall section and I'm assuming that I think. it takes into account the proposed new foundation which is actually raising a structure of Um, a little bit. I would just like some clarification on on that. drawing. this may be and I think that's a good question. going to the applicant, but I need clarification on that. I'm not quite clear about it. Um, I'm wondering I was looking at the landscape plan and, um, in the backyard or in the yard or shared yard It shows some landscape step. which, Um, I'm not quite sure what that means. um, So I'm curious about that. and how the people at the lower level or at the rear structure access the yard area that's not real clear either. Um, Also notice, I noticed on that drawing, there's a, a little area shown as a file retention. SWAIL. I would like to know what that is. Um, And also regarding the mechanical protrusions, Um, I didn't really see a definitive roof plan. And so maybe that information is there, but it may not be real obvious. Um, Those are my main questions at this point. |
| 00:55:33.43 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Commissioner, if I may, I would like to defer those to the architect. I think he would have much more detail about that. |
| 00:55:39.58 | Richard Graef | Okay. Fair enough. |
| 00:55:44.12 | Kristina Feller | Cecilia, if you don't mind my asking, do you have drawing 4.0 ready to put up on the screen should we need it? |
| 00:55:53.13 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | I will do that right now. I just don't want to get cut off. So I apologize in advance if I do that. |
| 00:55:59.44 | Kristina Feller | No, no, no. Well, yeah, I think we'll need to be able to reference that because I, and the landscape plan as commissioner graph is asking some very good and detailed questions that we should be able to answer While you're looking for drawing 4.0, Commissioner Graff, were those all the questions you had for staff? |
| 00:56:22.71 | Richard Graef | Um, |
| 00:56:23.10 | Kristina Feller | for now. |
| 00:56:25.14 | Richard Graef | Yeah, I think so. Those are the things that were a little unclear to me. There might be some other discussion better better with the applicant or the architect. Yeah, that's the drawing there. Thank you. So you can see there's a little dotted line running along. They the roof line of the proposed structure. |
| 00:56:57.66 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Thank you. |
| 00:56:57.69 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 00:56:57.72 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | So. |
| 00:56:57.81 | Richard Graef | So |
| 00:56:58.74 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Are you referring to this one, Commissioner? |
| 00:57:00.66 | Richard Graef | I'm going to go Yeah. |
| 00:57:02.84 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | I, yeah, I will have, Tim respond to that. |
| 00:57:06.03 | Richard Graef | Yeah. Fine. Thank you. |
| 00:57:10.43 | Kristina Feller | Okay, thank you. Commissioner Luxenberg, do you have any questions for Cecilia at this time and follow? Thank you. |
| 00:57:17.57 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes, Chair Feller, thank you very much. First of all, thank you for adding that additional information to Table 1. I think that's very helpful. I am concerned, and since this is being continued, you can rectify this. It was very difficult. The first sheet of the project plan show a 3D elevation that is not consistent. Actually, if you can go to that while we... have a view that is not the bare old roof that we see. And that was the only drawing that we have. So you appear to have a bunch of 3D renderings that we don't have. And so if you could rectify that for the next meeting and in the future meetings, if you get 3D renderings, we would like to see those renderings because those are very, very helpful in understanding the project. Um, If you could go back to that 4.0, I was gonna save this for the applicants, but if you could go back to that drawing, I'm just gonna mention it here, and you don't need to respond because we'll have the applicant, but the numbers on the right side in the bubble for the elevation of the floor of the study, which you can't really read because it's so tiny, but the floor of the study and the roof are are higher than the ones from the previous plan so contrary to what you're saying which is they've reduced the height they've actually increased the height so uh i and they they've increased the interior height of the study and given that the view issue is such a major factor the question for the applicant's going to be why don't you just reduce the height of that study and lower the roof rather than increase the roof. So, but so I just put that on the table at the moment. And then for you, Cecilia, if you could tell us, what is the status? I mean, we could put all the conditions in the world to remove this fig tree. AND THE APPLICANT HAD TOLD the neighbors, they would remove it, and now they're holding off removing it. If you could tell us doesn't it need a permit from Public Works and have they processed that permit is my question. |
| 00:59:35.08 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | It's my understanding that it does need a permit. It's not been processed. And it's also my understanding that the applicants are willing to remove the tree and are going to remove the tree and the condition of approval. they may not get a final building permit if all of the conditions are not met. |
| 00:59:53.11 | Jeffery Luxenberg | But if the Public Works doesn't approve the permit and we require it, we're sort of in no man's land. So can somebody get, who has to apply to Public Works to get this fig tree removed? the applicant. And so between now and the next meeting, can we get the applicant to at least submit the application to Public Works so that that doesn't hold us up later on? I'll save the rest of this discussion for the applicant because he's the architect. Thank you, Chair Phillips. |
| 01:00:23.78 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Yeah, excellent questions. And thank you for diving into the detail, Commissioner Luxenberg. I'm not sure. Vice chair Junius. |
| 01:00:32.90 | Andrew Junius | Thank you, Chair Feller. Cecilia, thanks for the presentation. Thank you. Very thorough. Really two quick questions. What's that, confirm first again what the height limit is here under the zoning code? |
| 01:00:43.90 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | I'm 32. |
| 01:00:45.08 | Andrew Junius | 32 feet. and the height Not withstanding the fact that there is apparently discrepancies between what we're seeing at the the street, the height of the of the structure at the grade at the street is what How many people? |
| 01:00:60.00 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | It will be 14 feet at break. No. |
| 01:01:02.95 | Andrew Junius | working for you and I, and this site slopes down. at 14 feet. at the sidewalk. |
| 01:01:08.62 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Thank you. |
| 01:01:08.66 | Kristina Feller | Right. |
| 01:01:08.93 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Thank you. |
| 01:01:09.67 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 01:01:11.14 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Just following along on Vice Chair Junius, you're saying it's 14 feet from the sidewalk, but which piece of this is 14 feet from the sidewalk? Is it the... actual home or is it the very top of the car? the study and the carbon, that, okay. |
| 01:01:34.09 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Right. And I think the applicant would probably be better at explaining how that would. but it would be 14 feet above grade. along this very front wall. |
| 01:01:47.30 | Kristina Feller | Okay. and you know Commissioner Graff was on to something that I had a line of questioning about as well Because this has been a chronic problem with this applicant in that the drawings never match. So we have to be a little bit more precise about exactly what we're approving. Um, you know, because there is so much discrepancy here. and can you help us understand what it is we are what the real project is here tonight? Is it sort of these cross sections we're looking at here? Is it the 3D rendering? What exactly is the project that's being proposed? |
| 01:02:30.75 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The project before you is what's being proposed. It may look a little bit inconsistent in that some of the pages had to be swapped out because several of the pages really did not change. For example, the floor plan for the front structure did not change. So there were the areas that needed modification were updated. And so we had to modify the PDF to submit to you. but there is a condition of approval that the applicant will have to submit a full set of plans date stamped. you know, all date stamp the same date and it all has to comply. |
| 01:03:09.89 | Kristina Feller | I understand that and that's all well and good. But typically when the commission takes an action, we actually have to have consistent drawings. So you can't wait till you pull a building permit to do that. obviously there are modifications, but We just want to understand what it is exactly in front of us tonight, which, which version it is. So that's just a It's been a problem all along since the study session. We just want to be clear what that is. So, Commissioner, |
| 01:03:39.65 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | So, Commissioner, just to be clear, this is the most recent updated submittal. |
| 01:03:44.61 | Kristina Feller | Okay. |
| 01:03:45.22 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Thank you. |
| 01:03:45.98 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Okay, appreciate that, Cecilia. Thank you. You know, I, I, Earlier this evening, I listened back through portions of the hearing from January, and it was my understanding based on comments made by the applicant that they were not just willing to remove the fig tree, but they would actually be cutting the fig tree before coming back. And, you know, having been out there looking, you know, up and down the street and from different vantage points, it would have been really helpful. to have done that because it actually helps clarify exactly what the view impact would be. Was that something that you discussed with the applicant before this evening? |
| 01:04:30.87 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | It was my understanding, we did talk about the tree and it's my understanding that the applicant doesn't have any issue with removing the tree. button, it would be removed. after the final decision-making body. THE PROCESS. |
| 01:04:42.97 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, they had agreed that they would trim it before coming back here just below the roof height so it would help everybody, including us, to understand what was happening. Um, And then I'm curious about Um, I know that DPW has also looked at this. Is there any, anything in our conditions of approval that have to be considered for any potential protections of that culvert. So it does not actually collapse on itself through vibration of demolition, new construction or anything like that. I just want to make sure that We're getting this as far along as we possibly can this evening. |
| 01:05:26.02 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | I believe that the applicant did meet with the chief engineer and they talked about the condition and protection of the culverts, so I will let him address that. |
| 01:05:35.26 | Kristina Feller | Okay. And then there is a, um, Beautiful. pine tree that is looking not so beautiful. And we had asked previously about protection of that tree since it is a heritage tree defined by Sausalito, and it looks to be getting worse. Can you maybe just touch on that real quick? What steps have been taken? |
| 01:06:00.20 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Is this the tree that is right alongside 411 Main Street, the rear of that property? It's a very large tree down there. |
| 01:06:09.42 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, I believe it's on the applicant's property, but correct me, certainly correct me here if I'm wrong. I don't want to misstate that. |
| 01:06:16.74 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Yeah, it looks like it's right on the edge and it's quite large. And I think everybody is very interested in keeping that tree. |
| 01:06:26.33 | Kristina Feller | Well, so I guess I'll go back to my question about this particular applicant. I can't discuss other members of the community that aren't in front of us this evening, but how much of the health of that tree CAN BE assisted by any protections with any work that is being done on this site that we need to think about? |
| 01:06:53.55 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | I guess he could talk to an arborist to see about protecting that tree during construction. And I do believe that there are protections involved So. The applicant to the best of my knowledge wants to retain that tree and it's looking to protect the tree. But that's something that he probably should answer. |
| 01:07:14.24 | Kristina Feller | Could you confirm if you've included it as a condition of approval? |
| 01:07:19.28 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | I don't believe it is a condition of approval, but it can be included. |
| 01:07:24.88 | Kristina Feller | Okay. |
| 01:07:25.29 | Mrs. Burton | Thank you. |
| 01:07:26.44 | Kristina Feller | That would be helpful. And then again, along the lines of something that Commissioner Graff was hitting on regarding the roof plan. You know, because I believe at least the rear building is intended to have a green roof, we had asked for some more information about is that grass? Is it succulent? What is that? and you know a condition of approval to ensure it's maintained is green Thank you. And we were interested in any projections through any of the roofs for chimneys, for vents, for anything like that. We haven't seen any of that, even though we've asked for it and, and I would find it unusual that a home would not have one or two, even if they've got less traditional design to it. |
| 01:08:16.74 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Commissioner, the only Um, The only items on the roof are on the screen here and that's this. And this here so they don't have much that's actually located on the route. That's all that's on, I specifically asked if that's all that was on the roof and sort of felt that he's going to be on the roof They're not going to have live material on the roof, they will have artificial turf. |
| 01:08:47.59 | Kristina Feller | Okay, is that a new design idea? |
| 01:08:51.76 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | I think they opted for artificial turf instead of sod to make it easier to maintain. But again, I think that's a question for the applicant. |
| 01:09:03.15 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, I'd like to know if it, if how that's rated for a roof. Is that something you've looked at? |
| 01:09:12.58 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | I've looked at in terms of products |
| 01:09:17.78 | Kristina Feller | Well, yeah, I mean, usually like, you know, what you put on a roof usually has a rating. Of course, if it's in a green roof, in what we think of a green roof as a living, move like grass or or succulent than it's inherently Um, rated, let's say. So this is, I don't think I had heard the idea of artificial turf on the roof before. |
| 01:09:46.26 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Yeah, I would leave that to the construction experts. That's definitely not in my purview. |
| 01:09:53.25 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Okay, thank you. Um, Okay, and I'd like to understand if there's any way, and perhaps our city attorney may need to help here, I don't know. is there any way to condition the garage what i don't want to have happen with the garage in the car lift. I don't want that knowing Klaus products pretty well I'm planning on them not working. And so I want to make sure that that can be conditioned, that it has to be functional and kept in I'll say the downward position. Is that something you can see? that can happen or be done I would defer to you and to our city attorney. |
| 01:10:46.69 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Yeah, I would defer to the city attorney as well. |
| 01:10:50.69 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Mary, can you help us with that? |
| 01:10:53.65 | Mary Wagner | question. Chair Fella, so if I understand correctly, there's concern that the vehicle lift will not be operational and that therefore there won't be enough parking for the project, correct? All right. So I think you can, We can include a condition about maintenance. We can include a condition that it, you know, be kept in good working order. I mean, I think we have to be a little cautious, you know, about time. Like they're going to need a little time to fix it if it needs to be fixed. |
| 01:11:18.94 | Kristina Feller | Yeah. |
| 01:11:22.55 | Mary Wagner | Um, And then also just in terms of actual enforcement, I think that the way it would come up to staff is if the there's not parking, right? That's the only way we'd really find out. is if someone complained that they're not parking their cars or not utilizing the lift. So maybe Heidi and I can put our heads together electronically and kind of craft something. And when you're ready to give some direction, we can come back to you with some suggested language. |
| 01:11:54.94 | Kristina Feller | That would be really helpful. And the other thing that I'm just concerned about is what I don't want to have happen is is when the lift is all the way in the upward position. meaning the car at the bottom is all the way up at sidewalk level, at street level. that it not be kept in that position because then a car on top of it would further block a view. So I'm asking if it's possible or how to craft that the the lift be kept in the downward position. when it's not in use. Is that possible? |
| 01:12:39.40 | Mary Wagner | I have to admit to you chair Filler, I'm not sure operationally how that works. So I think I would need some help from your, from Ms. Scoble on crafting that. Thank you. |
| 01:12:47.55 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Right. All right, so as long as we're, yeah, I'll let you two electronically figure that out behind the scenes as we move on here, but appreciate. I appreciate your assistance there and look forward to whatever you would recommend. OKAY. Um, Okay, I think for right now, those are all the questions I had for staff. Cecilia, thank you for sharing your screen here. that's very helpful. I just wanna ask one more time if there are any questions of staff from the commission. Commissioner Graff, do you have any more follow on questions? |
| 01:13:30.95 | Richard Graef | only to thank you for bringing up the artificial sod. I forgot to mention it, but I've I'm kind of wondering, is that like an AstroTurf kind of thing? Yeah. um, is that as you Absolutely. and approved material for roof. |
| 01:13:48.40 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:13:49.55 | Richard Graef | Okay. |
| 01:13:50.56 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:13:50.73 | Richard Graef | Thank you. That's it for that. |
| 01:13:51.98 | Kristina Feller | Commissioner. |
| 01:13:53.11 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:13:53.99 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:13:54.29 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I have the same question in a different way, even if it's an approved material for a roof and it can't hurt the roof. The whole idea of a green roof is an energy saving device. and doesn't seem to me that artificial turf is the point of it. That's not what the green roof does. So I would like to have the applicant explain how artificial turf actually is going to help in energy saving. Cause that doesn't seem to be how green roofs work. |
| 01:14:24.04 | Kristina Feller | Yeah. Thank you. Excellent points, you guys. Thank you. Vice Chair Junius, any further questions for staff at this time? |
| 01:14:32.51 | Andrew Junius | Yeah, I mean, the green roof question is an oddity. It's, you know, helps with, water runoff and all kinds of positives. It's really a living green roof and if it's not, I'm not sure why it shouldn't just be a roof, Yeah, let's hear from the applicant. That's it, thank you. |
| 01:14:47.90 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Okay, Cecilia, thank you again. Let's go ahead and invite our applicant up here to present their project this evening. As they are unmuting and turning their cameras on, I will ask our wonderful Zoom team to put the timer up on the screen for 15 minutes. |
| 01:15:14.45 | Kristina Feller | and welcome our applicant. I think that's Ms. Miranda and Mr. Rempel. Welcome this evening. And you have co-hosts |
| 01:15:21.62 | Adam East | Bye. |
| 01:15:24.37 | Kristina Feller | capabilities to share share your screen so maria please let the timer going |
| 01:15:26.87 | Adam East | you |
| 01:15:26.95 | Tim Rempel | So Maria, I'm sorry. Just click share screeners. It'll work. Yeah, I'm asking, can you hear me? Can you hear me? |
| 01:15:37.84 | Kristina Feller | We can hear you. |
| 01:15:39.07 | Tim Rempel | Okay, so I asked my wife's computer to share screen with you. |
| 01:15:39.35 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 01:15:43.30 | Tim Rempel | SO SHE DOES A SLIDE SHOW. And you cannot or have mine. Can you mute your phone? There we go. Okay, how's that? Is that better? |
| 01:15:53.70 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, we can hear you. The floor is yours. You have 15 minutes for your presentation. |
| 01:15:53.92 | Tim Rempel | We can hear you. |
| 01:15:57.88 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. And what I can't see is whether you can see my share screen of my wife showing 110 fourth street on the screen. No. |
| 01:16:06.68 | Kristina Feller | No, we cannot see that yet. |
| 01:16:08.55 | Tim Rempel | Can you please start the timer when she considers she? |
| 01:16:10.73 | Kristina Feller | That's true. Bye. We haven't started the timer. |
| 01:16:15.97 | Tim Rempel | This hears me, Bud. |
| 01:16:19.40 | Kristina Feller | The host is the Sabin, Liz Randall. |
| 01:16:19.45 | Tim Rempel | The host is the Sabling Liz Randerske. |
| 01:16:23.11 | Kristina Feller | Sir, sir. |
| 01:16:23.64 | Mary Wagner | What's your question? |
| 01:16:25.39 | Kristina Feller | Liz, Miranda, Maria, if we can read. |
| 01:16:25.66 | Alejandra | Thank you. |
| 01:16:25.68 | Tim Rempel | Liz Miranda. |
| 01:16:26.60 | Alejandra | Thank you. |
| 01:16:28.11 | Kristina Feller | make her a co-host. |
| 01:16:29.31 | Alejandra | Yeah. |
| 01:16:30.05 | Kristina Feller | Oh, full done. |
| 01:16:30.69 | Alejandra | Thank you. |
| 01:16:30.74 | Kristina Feller | I, |
| 01:16:30.76 | Alejandra | I FOUND HER. |
| 01:16:32.19 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:16:36.16 | Kristina Feller | Okay, Ms. Miranda, you should be able to share your screen. |
| 01:16:38.37 | Tim Rempel | SHARE YOUR CREDIT. Yeah. |
| 01:16:42.84 | Kristina Feller | Okay. |
| 01:16:43.30 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:16:43.36 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:16:43.50 | Tim Rempel | Please don't know. |
| 01:16:43.60 | Kristina Feller | with the Welcome you have the floor 15 minutes we're going to go ahead and |
| 01:16:46.85 | Tim Rempel | Bye. |
| 01:16:46.87 | Maria Miranda | You see it now? I can't hear anything then. |
| 01:16:50.15 | Tim Rempel | Okay. |
| 01:16:50.53 | Maria Miranda | Thank you. |
| 01:16:51.43 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. |
| 01:16:51.44 | Maria Miranda | Thank you. |
| 01:16:51.48 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. |
| 01:16:51.53 | Maria Miranda | Okay. |
| 01:16:51.73 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. All right, how was that? |
| 01:16:55.98 | Maria Miranda | Can you see the screen now? |
| 01:16:58.30 | Kristina Feller | No, we can't see the screen. If you could please share your screen. We're gonna go ahead and start the timer. |
| 01:17:03.68 | Unknown | Thank you. Cheers. |
| 01:17:07.97 | Tim Rempel | There we go. How was that? How do you go to share on the desk? |
| 01:17:13.64 | Kristina Feller | We can't see your screen, but, but, um, we'd like to go ahead and get started with your presentation even if it's just a discussion we'd like to get started |
| 01:17:32.40 | Kristina Feller | Okay, we can't hear either one of you now. |
| 01:17:35.19 | Tim Rempel | Can you don't unmute? |
| 01:17:37.73 | Maria Miranda | It's not allowing me for whatever reason. I've done unmute, I'm at the desktop. We can hear you. |
| 01:17:42.66 | Kristina Feller | I can hear you. |
| 01:17:44.25 | Unknown | you Thank you. |
| 01:17:44.59 | Maria Miranda | We need you to share your screen, please. |
| 01:17:44.62 | Kristina Feller | Check on that. |
| 01:17:49.48 | Maria Miranda | I've tried it, it's not happening. |
| 01:17:52.70 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:17:52.73 | Tim Rempel | It's not. |
| 01:17:53.06 | Maria Miranda | It's not happening. I don't know why. It's just not allowing me. |
| 01:17:56.82 | Tim Rempel | Well, it's not allowing us to show our presentation. So thank you for the technology. We have a PowerPoint presentation all set up here to go through our slides. |
| 01:17:58.71 | Maria Miranda | So thank you for the technology. We have it. |
| 01:18:04.97 | Tim Rempel | So I don't, |
| 01:18:05.46 | Maria Miranda | I don't know. I don't know why it's not allowing us. It's not allowing me to go in there. It says... Open system preferences. Open system preferences. |
| 01:18:11.25 | Tim Rempel | privacy security system, privacy to allow the granted, |
| 01:18:16.41 | Kristina Feller | You have co-host capabilities, so you should be able to share your screen. |
| 01:18:21.64 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. It's not doing it. |
| 01:18:24.09 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:18:24.11 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | would it would it help if they sent it to me and maybe i could no it's way too |
| 01:18:27.82 | Maria Miranda | No, it's way too huge. It'll take forever. It's very large. |
| 01:18:28.76 | Tim Rempel | It's very, it's very, |
| 01:18:31.07 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Okay. |
| 01:18:32.54 | Tim Rempel | I don't know what to say. It has to go privacy, firewall, |
| 01:18:33.39 | Maria Miranda | It has to go for it. No, it's not. |
| 01:18:36.29 | Tim Rempel | on security. and privacy. |
| 01:18:40.37 | Maria Miranda | It's not there. Turn off our wallace. I'm sorry, share screen, I go to desktop. |
| 01:18:45.30 | Tim Rempel | THEIR SCREEN. Powerpoint. You go to PowerPoint, you click on that one. Now open system preferences. Yes. And there you have to go. |
| 01:18:53.33 | Maria Miranda | and It's not allowing you. I'm sorry, it's not on. |
| 01:18:58.38 | Kristina Feller | No, I don't know. Uh, Okay, so here, there are a couple suggestions at this point in the interest of time. |
| 01:19:07.32 | Maria Miranda | Yeah. |
| 01:19:07.66 | Kristina Feller | If it's too large to share, I know we've had a lot of time. |
| 01:19:08.10 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:19:10.24 | Maria Miranda | to share. |
| 01:19:14.04 | Kristina Feller | Can I? |
| 01:19:15.17 | Maria Miranda | Yeah, go ahead. |
| 01:19:16.11 | Kristina Feller | allow me to Finish. we can either continue this hearing we can, since we've already approved the agenda, Heidi, I will ask you if we can switch Um, 6 C and 6 D to allow |
| 01:19:33.50 | Tim Rempel | guys? We're not getting it done. |
| 01:19:36.45 | Kristina Feller | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:19:36.62 | Tim Rempel | and let me do it. |
| 01:19:37.19 | Kristina Feller | FIGURE OUT THEIR PIECES. Excuse me, Mr. Sir, can I just finish here? Um, so we can either switch it or we can continue it. to a time when they can actually, I think there might maybe is a firewall issue on their computer. So Heidi, what would you recommend there? |
| 01:19:57.34 | Heidi | Yeah, Chair Feller, what we can do is we can definitely push this meeting and hear the application at 209 West Street. And then we can resume this public hearing. In the meantime, if, Ms. Miranda and Mr. Rempel would like to maybe convert their PowerPoint to a PDF and then maybe email it to both Cecilia and I. We can also be the backup and if you convert it to a PDF then you can also reduce the size so it's easy and then we can help drive the presentations. But given the time and given your technical difficulties, my recommendation is that we just move this item here 209 West street and then resume this public hearing. |
| 01:20:44.17 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Okay, so, and I'm assuming we need to take a vote on that. |
| 01:20:50.73 | Unknown | you Yeah. |
| 01:20:52.18 | Kristina Feller | Okay. So I'd like to make a motion to at this time, move 209 West Street forward in our agenda to item 6c and hear that now and move item 110 4th street to 6D after 209 to allow the applicant of 110 4th street to overcome the technical matters they're experiencing right now. And we'll hear that after 209 West street. So that is my motion. Do I have a second? |
| 01:21:26.15 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 01:21:28.48 | Kristina Feller | All right. |
| 01:21:28.82 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 01:21:28.85 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:21:28.87 | Heidi | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:21:29.09 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:21:29.16 | Heidi | Heidi? |
| 01:21:29.56 | Kristina Feller | you |
| 01:21:29.65 | Heidi | you |
| 01:21:29.88 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:21:29.97 | Heidi | Commissioner Grass. Yeah. |
| 01:21:31.44 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 01:21:31.94 | Heidi | Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 01:21:33.14 | Jeffery Luxenberg | THE ALSO. |
| 01:21:33.81 | Heidi | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 01:21:35.01 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 01:21:35.81 | Heidi | Chair Feller. Yes. Motion carries. Okay. |
| 01:21:42.20 | Kristina Feller | Okay. |
| 01:21:43.87 | Heidi | Apologies. |
| 01:21:45.04 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, thank you for that. So what we're gonna do right now is we're gonna move on to 209 West Street, which on your agenda, I'm sure. |
| 01:21:52.58 | Maria Miranda | AMENDANDA? shows |
| 01:21:55.15 | Kristina Feller | Chosen 16. Um, and then after we hear 60, um, which is now six seat, we will hear one 10 fourth street or attempt to do so. So, um, Thank you for the guidance, Heidi. And if I can turn this back over to Cecilia, who I believe is our contract planner this evening. we're going to move on to 209 West Street. |
| 01:22:19.90 | Heidi | Thank you Chair Feller. And before we, I hand this off to our wonderful consultant, Cecilia Jaroslawski, similar to the last public hearing item, we also experienced an unfortunate noticing error as well. Ininvertent use of a wrong template was used, although the body of the notice identified that this is a public hearing, there was a slight misreference to a study session and that that project would be re-noticed. So again, similar to the other item, we're recommending that the Planning Commission conduct a public hearing, take public testimony and direct staff to prepare the appropriate resolution. with any modified conditions of approval. So action can be taken at the next meeting. Again, at that next meeting, staff is also recommending that the planning commission take a streamlined review and approach to this where staff would not provide a presentation, we'd open it up for public comment. So another item that I identified inadvertently just recently during the 110 Fork Street project is that commissioner Luxembourg is actually located within a thousand feet of this project site. Commissioner Luxembourg is not within 500 feet and does not need to recuse himself. however if um commissioner lexenberg you find that you might have a conflict of interest um in any manner um you may recuse yourself but you're not required to So I just wanted to identify that. |
| 01:23:46.93 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 01:23:46.94 | Heidi | So before we... |
| 01:23:46.96 | Jeffery Luxenberg | If I could comment on that, I would. I had an earlier conversation with Attorney Wagner when I came on board with relations to geography and what projects pursuant to the law would or would not have an impact on my property. And there was a certain description of the ones outside of 500 where it does not have an effect due to the geography and the way the hills work and stuff so i was very aware of that and i made that forthright uh before you came on board it's interim with with ms wagner but uh so i just um Well, I didn't make that comment, but I was fully aware of exactly where it was looking. |
| 01:24:28.18 | Heidi | Okay, fantastic. So we would just need for you to disclose formally that you identify that you do not have a conflict of interest and that you would like to participate in this item. |
| 01:24:38.43 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I will make that declaration here now, thank you. |
| 01:24:41.62 | Heidi | Great, thank you so much. And with that, I will hand this over to our consultant, Ms. Jaroslawski. Thank you, Cecilia. |
| 01:24:48.81 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Good evening, commissioners. Cecilia Jaroslawski, contract planner, presenting this item before you tonight with your permission. I would like to share my screen. |
| 01:25:01.55 | Unknown | . |
| 01:25:05.21 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Can everyone see that? |
| 01:25:07.40 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 01:25:07.42 | Unknown | Yes. |
| 01:25:07.77 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 01:25:08.23 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Great. The item before you is a project located at 209 West Street. the project application. It was originally filed on July 22, 2016 for the demolition of an existing 1570 square foot |
| 01:25:27.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:25:27.64 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | duplex and two car carport and construction of a new 17 185 square foot duplex and an on-site detached two-car garage. The original residential project was reviewed by the Historic Landmarks Board on November 16th, 2016. The planning commission reviewed the project on June 14, 2017. July 5th. and approve the project on January 17th. 2018. The project requires the approval of design review and consistency. with the intent of the original plan. |
| 01:26:07.71 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The property is located in Old Town on the west side of West Street between Richardson and Main Street. The neighborhood consists of single family and two family dwellings consistent with the R2 2.5 zoning district. properties on this block generally contain a substantial upward slope to the and substantial downward slope to the east. The subject property is a rectangular lot, 30 feet by 120 feet. The parcel slopes uphill to the west at an average slope of about 25 degrees. The primary structure is situated at the rear of the lot. The previously approved project is currently under construction. |
| 01:26:54.05 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | An application was submitted on November 3rd, 2021 to modify the design of the onsite detached two car garage. No additional changes to the previously approved project are proposed. The project would be modified to reduce the garage front set back from 15 feet to four feet and side yard setbacks would remain the same. The total length of the detached garage would be increased from 22 feet, five inches to 39 feet, five inches. The roof design and height would be modified by eliminating the turret-like feature centrally located on the roof and installing a flat roof with the deck above. reducing the height from 14 feet 5 inches to 12 foot 10 inches, including the roof railing. The roof deck above would be 21 feet 10 inches by 23 feet 8 inches. |
| 01:27:47.73 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | The total footprint of the garage structure would be increased from 390 square feet to 780 square feet. and the majority of the modified detached garage structure would be below grade. The previously approved project altered the appearance of the existing Victorian cottage modifying it to a more ornate Victorian gingerbread style. I also wanted to point out that in uploading the staff report, this graphic Got. mixed up and THE TOP RAIL. was labeled the garage roof which is not correct the garage roof is lower than the top of the deck rail. So this graphic is correct. |
| 01:28:32.11 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Although the ridge line and turret like feature on the modified detached garage would be replaced with a flat route, The materials and design of the proposed exterior would be consistent with the previously approved Victorian style duplex. The applicant sent an informational letter to 12 neighboring sites on February 21st, 2022. and feedback was received from six adjacent neighbors, all in support of the project. An adjacent neighbor expressed concerns regarding excavation and the applicant has reached out to them. Staff has not received a response from the concerned resident to date regarding the excavation. |
| 01:29:10.65 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Staff recommends the Planning Commission approve the resolution approving the design review permit subject to conditions of approval. That concludes my presentation, Commissioner. So I'm available for questions and I believe the applicant is in attendance as well. |
| 01:29:25.25 | Kristina Feller | Terrific. Thank you so much, Cecilia. Thank you for bringing this in front of us tonight. Let's go ahead and stop screen share for just a moment. And let me ask commissioners if they have any questions of staff at this time. Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 01:29:42.16 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes, thank you, Chair Feller. Before we proceed any farther, I just wanna disclose under section 18702.2, materiality standard financial interest in real property that this project is within 5,000 feet of my home, not within 500 feet. And I've reviewed the conditions in that statute and do not feel I have a comment. |
| 01:30:08.59 | Kristina Feller | Thank you for your disclosure. Thank you. |
| 01:30:10.66 | Jeffery Luxenberg | With that, I do not have any questions of the staff at this time. |
| 01:30:16.55 | Kristina Feller | Okay, thank you. Commissioner Graff. |
| 01:30:19.86 | Richard Graef | Um, you know, just, uh, want to clarify the Roof. Um, Now it looks like we have another Um, for all intents and purposes, a green roof or a garden It wasn't clear to me what the intended use of that. roof was, but there's planting indicated. So I just needed some clarification on that. |
| 01:30:45.36 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Commissioner, that's just a roof deck with some planters that's sitting on the railings. |
| 01:30:50.25 | Richard Graef | Uh-huh. |
| 01:30:51.62 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | So it's not a green roof, it's just a roof. |
| 01:30:53.00 | Richard Graef | Okay. |
| 01:30:54.00 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Yeah. |
| 01:30:54.37 | Richard Graef | Yeah, there wasn't a plan that showed that or if there wasn't, I missed it. |
| 01:30:57.96 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | No. |
| 01:30:59.31 | Richard Graef | No. So I'll just say, |
| 01:31:02.23 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:31:04.80 | Richard Graef | an area for potted plants and gardening. Correct. Great. Thank you. |
| 01:31:13.77 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Graff. Vice Chair Junius. |
| 01:31:17.91 | Andrew Junius | No questions, thank you. |
| 01:31:19.23 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Um, Cecilia, can you just walk me through one more time, like how to get up onto the top of this rooftop deck and if it's intended to be used like occupied or if it's just a gardening roof. |
| 01:31:32.66 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | THE FAMILY IS THE FAMILY |
| 01:31:37.59 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Yes, I'm happy to pull up plans if you will bear with me. |
| 01:31:42.34 | Kristina Feller | Yep. Thank you. |
| 01:32:11.72 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Can everyone see that? |
| 01:32:13.51 | Kristina Feller | We can, yes, thank you. |
| 01:32:16.87 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | So we have stairs and I will enlarge this. |
| 01:32:35.42 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Right. |
| 01:32:38.71 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | So we have stairs. On the side. all along the side. |
| 01:32:47.60 | Kristina Feller | And so that's the way to get to the Front door, correct? |
| 01:32:53.35 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:32:53.39 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Thank you. |
| 01:32:53.40 | Unknown | All right. |
| 01:32:53.64 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Thank you. |
| 01:32:55.56 | Kristina Feller | And then how are you getting on top of the garage, the roof deck? So, |
| 01:33:05.10 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | I believe there's access through here. |
| 01:33:12.14 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | This is a steep upward slope. So this continues up towards the rear of the lot. |
| 01:33:19.60 | Kristina Feller | Okay. |
| 01:33:21.50 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | And it might be easier if I pull up an elevation, if you would like me to do that. |
| 01:33:27.74 | Kristina Feller | Perfection. |
| 01:33:28.03 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | actually. |
| 01:33:29.03 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, the section before you leave there though, Um, So they only want the the deck on a little more than half of the garage structure. They don't, what does the rest of the roof look like? |
| 01:33:44.99 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | this is going to be generally underground. This will be below grade. |
| 01:33:48.97 | Kristina Feller | would be blue. Okay. OK. |
| 01:34:07.15 | Unknown | There we go. |
| 01:34:09.48 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Bye. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:34:13.61 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | So here we have |
| 01:34:23.30 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | the section where you see the stairs, that goes up on the other side to the roof deck and continues up to the residents at the rear. |
| 01:34:31.90 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Okay. |
| 01:34:38.81 | Kristina Feller | So, um, The photograph that you took I think you took it. I'm assuming it was you that was taken that shows like the height of the garage roof and then the railing above. was that on the sidewalk like closest to the property here, right at the property line. And the reason I'm asking is I'm assuming if you're across the street or somewhere, you actually see the whole property, the whole home. past the garage because it's actually very nice looking and I would hate to think we're blocking it with a roof deck. that has a slightly different architecture than what was approved that matches the building. |
| 01:35:22.58 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | So you're referring to this, It's long, Commissioner. Yeah, this was taken. This was taken from across the street. |
| 01:35:34.00 | Kristina Feller | Okay. |
| 01:35:38.34 | Kristina Feller | And where was the existing roof line of the proposed design? about the same location as the garage room. |
| 01:35:46.39 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | No, the proposed design would have been taller than the top of the deck rail. |
| 01:35:54.20 | Kristina Feller | Okay. All right. Great. Thank you. Okay, any other questions for staff at this time? I'll just look for a show of hands. Doesn't look like it. Let's go ahead and ask the applicant to come and join us and present to us. their design. Good evening and welcome Mr. and Mrs. Burton. Zoom team, let's go ahead and get our timer up at 15 minutes. and ensure that the Burtons have co-host capability if they need to share, share a screen or should they need to share a screen? So welcome this evening. Thank you for coming in front of us. If you don't mind unmuting yourselves. There we go. And you're a co-host so you can unmute. |
| 01:36:46.63 | Mrs. Burton | Yeah, I think we're unmuted. |
| 01:36:49.10 | Kristina Feller | We are muted. Welcome. Welcome this evening. |
| 01:36:49.67 | Mrs. Burton | Welcome. We also have the architect. on hand to answer questions. Alejandra, I see her name on here. So I'm wondering if she could unmute if needed, but I wanna address a couple things that just came up. First of all, I want to thank a bunch of people. This has been a really hard process because we've been lacking planners in Sausalito. So it's been through three planners. Thank Heidi and thank you, Cecilia for picking this up. So appreciative of the work you've done to pick this up after it's been lagging. A couple of questions that came up. Yes, part of it, Commissioner Graff is underground. ground. And I looked into it. A couple of questions that came up. Yes, part of it, Commissioner Graff, is underground. And I looked into, I went to Berkeley. They have a place that has native grasses. And there is some native grasses that we can put on the roof. And there is a species of lavender that is very shallow growing, that is drought resistant. I don't know if it's deer resistant, but. Drought resistant. and that back portion will be underground and have that surface to get to that area. because it becomes level to the yard, you just walk out into the yard, then you're on top of the garage, the underground garage, then you're on the deck. So it's all sort of flat and flowing. And there's two other houses on the block that have a similar and we learned from them and I think they're supportive of this so I think that that will work out well. We did not go further than a hundred foot radius, Jeff Commissioner Luxembourg. So we went a hundred foot radius, the people who usually will have more visibility to this location. This is my husband, John. He's the builder and he's there every day. So any questions, any other questions and Alejandra? Did I miss anything? We are going lower. There was a concern about light for the neighbor. So instead of a redwood fence on the portion that is underground, it'll be a cable, the cable type of system. So he has plenty of light in the, in the corridor between our two buildings, which we've never had before. The retaining wall was about two inches away from his back window. |
| 01:39:53.42 | Mrs. Burton | Anything else? |
| 01:39:54.30 | Mr. Tran | Yes, the main thing, we were trying to make better use of the space and parking. Since I've been working there for the past two years, I see parking is a very big issue there. when people come to visit or people come to work on neighboring properties, They always ask me if they can park in front or there's always a bottleneck of cars. So, and also we appreciate what you approved and what was built at 211 West Street, you know, the deck. So it's a similar idea. so we could make a better use of the space and incorporate that into the yard as well. |
| 01:40:32.59 | Mr. Tran | And I tried to, take in all the neighbors concerns, like the neighbor next door, his kitchen window was a big concern. So like my wife just said, we would put a cable rail of that portion in front of his window. And so we wouldn't block any light. And I made sure that we kept the structure as low as we possibly could. to so we don't obstruct anything that, you know, in front of his kitchen window. So I've been in very close contact with him. |
| 01:41:08.20 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:41:08.25 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:41:12.70 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much. I don't know if you want your architect, Alejandro, to speak as well. |
| 01:41:19.25 | Alejandra | Hi, yes, I apologize. I've, I don't know my connections going in and out. So I think I've missed some portions, but I think actually all the points that I was thinking about were hit. Thank you. There's the parking issue, I think, was alleviating that from the street and providing parking on site was a big, a big thing um and i i thought i'd also just point out or the other thing too is the lowering of the height from the previous design I And then for what it's worth, I think, too, previously we had more driveway in front of the previously designed structure, which is now reduced, which I understand has, you know, drawbacks to it. I think having the planters above can help soften that progression from the street of what you see from the the face of a garage structure which is you know now a little bit closer but doesn't have that sort of dead driveway space in front of it to then the residents beyond So I think, yeah, I think that that was sort of the final point I kind of wanted to touch on. And then, of course, working with the neighbors to, you know, make this a solution that could work for everybody and make sure that all the previous concerns were still addressed in this new design. |
| 01:42:43.44 | Kristina Feller | Great, thank you. Thank you very much. Let's just stop the clock for a minute there, Zoom team. I'm not sure. If that is your presentation for now, I don't want to cut you off early. You still have nine minutes and 38 seconds. You can either use that now or if you want to use it after you hear some public comment, you're welcome to do that as well. |
| 01:43:05.60 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:43:07.77 | Kristina Feller | Okay, let's leave the nine minutes and 38 seconds for later then and appreciate your presentation and discussion about this. But don't go away yet because this is the time for commissioners to ask you any questions. about your application. So Commissioner Luxenberg, would you like to start us off? That's right. |
| 01:43:28.33 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you, Chair Feller. I don't have any questions at this time. Thank you. |
| 01:43:32.63 | Kristina Feller | OK, thank you. Commissioner Graff? |
| 01:43:35.92 | Richard Graef | Yeah, I'm just going back to the roof deck and the roof of the garage. in two parts. Part of it is Like, a living room. understand it. It's planted over the roof. And then there was another DAC that's obviously got to be accessible. And I'm assuming that you walked through that other planted area to get there maybe with stepping stones or something I don't know But then the Just to clarify, the garage roof adjacent to the street. with the railings. That is Um, I'm not sure. I think I understood. a place to do additional gardening and container planting, is that correct? It's not a party deck. Right? |
| 01:44:31.83 | Dr. Kent | right? |
| 01:44:32.30 | Richard Graef | Okay. Right. Um, And then the only other question I had was, and bringing the garage forward close to the street. I'm assuming that there are no encroachments uh, issues there. |
| 01:44:49.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:44:51.01 | Richard Graef | There seems to be other examples in the neighborhood of similar Aww. condition so I just wondered about that. and that's it. |
| 01:45:06.22 | Mrs. Burton | There's a four foot setback. |
| 01:45:09.02 | Unknown | Mm-hmm. |
| 01:45:09.90 | Mrs. Burton | And I believe there wasn't a setback requirement. to the property line for that. And we had first wanted to move way back. Then we found out it became an Amazon parking zone. And so we want to move it forward. |
| 01:45:27.68 | Richard Graef | All right. |
| 01:45:28.10 | Mrs. Burton | the door on it. |
| 01:45:29.84 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 01:45:29.89 | Mrs. Burton | We're four feet back. So we did leave some space. |
| 01:45:29.98 | Mr. Tran | Yeah. |
| 01:45:30.72 | Richard Graef | of the community. |
| 01:45:35.87 | Mrs. Burton | for maneuverability. And I'm sure Amazon travel part there anyway, but it does have a setback a little bit. |
| 01:45:44.98 | Richard Graef | I understood the setback. with the driveway and the street there tend to be encroachment issues. But if it's not an issue, then it's not an issue. |
| 01:45:59.24 | Mrs. Burton | No. No, we're not asking for encroachment. |
| 01:46:00.84 | Richard Graef | in May. Okay. Thank you for that. |
| 01:46:10.70 | Kristina Feller | Anything else, Commissioner Graff? |
| 01:46:13.50 | Richard Graef | Not really. I think we'll wait until we have our deliberations So no questions. Thank you. |
| 01:46:22.21 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Thank you very much. Vice Chair Junius. |
| 01:46:26.83 | Andrew Junius | No, no questions, but just a comment or two. We always love to, see project sponsors and owners come after they've really worked hard with their neighbors. It sounds like you've done a great job. It doesn't sound like we're going to get any opposition. That's always wonderful to hear. Your fellow neighbors are ecstatic about the extra part. Thank you. |
| 01:46:44.99 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:46:45.02 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 01:46:45.06 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 01:46:45.56 | Andrew Junius | all the way around. So congratulations. |
| 01:46:49.39 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 01:46:51.69 | Kristina Feller | Great, thank you, Vice Chair Junius. Um, You know, I I'd also like to thank you for being so aware of the parking deficit that we have here in Sausalito, particularly on some of our very narrow streets. And I guess the only question that I would ask you is regarding the cable rail at your neighbor's kitchen window area. it sounds like you've already agreed with your neighbor that you'd be willing to do that. So I'm assuming, therefore, just for confirmation and avoidance of doubt, you'd be willing. to accept that as a condition of approval. |
| 01:47:29.67 | Mr. Tran | Sure, yes, of course. |
| 01:47:31.95 | Kristina Feller | Okay, great. And... And thank you, Vice Chair Junius, for pointing out. It's really refreshing to see folks work with their neighbors so well. So thank you for that as well. Okay, if there are no other questions from the commissioners, I'm just looking at my screen to see if there are. Does not look like it. we're going to go ahead and open this up for public comment. Um, And as we redo that, I will ask people to raise their hand in the Zoom application or press star nine on their cell phones and we'll take public comment. As you are doing that and looking for the right buttons and things to push, I will just make note that we did receive to public comments. from Neighbor Outreach and then the letter of support from 206 West Street. Just for the record, I want to make sure that's clear. That is also in the agenda this evening as an attachment and a link for anyone who's interested. So I am not seeing any hands raised. in the public. So I'm going to go ahead and I'll close public comment at this time. I'd like to offer back to the Burtons. You had nine minutes and 38 seconds left. If there's any questions Final thoughts or comments that you would like to make or use that time for, that is your time. So I'd like to offer that to you. |
| 01:49:00.93 | Mrs. Burton | I heard Heidi say that you'll have to come back after notification. I just wanna know the process now, what's how it's moving forward. It's been a little frustrating, but... |
| 01:49:16.58 | Kristina Feller | Yeah. |
| 01:49:19.56 | Mrs. Burton | I certainly understand your frustration. |
| 01:49:19.92 | Kristina Feller | I certainly understand your frustration. Yeah. |
| 01:49:23.38 | Mrs. Burton | Thank you. |
| 01:49:23.95 | Kristina Feller | Certainly understand your frustration and appreciate the question. Clarity is always good. And there was a process issue. So this evening we cannot actually take a vote and take action. But because we have heard the staff report, we've offered public comment, we've heard your presentations, and we will deliberate here in just a moment, but we will not take an action. This will be continued to a date certain to the April 20th. At that time, we will hear one last opportunity for public comment. There will be no other presentations no staff reports of we already have that, no presentation by yourselves. and offer public comment and then at that time because it will have been noticed properly we can take action and take a vote and and you'll have a determination So Heidi, if I've missed anything in there, definitely chime in. |
| 01:50:24.58 | Heidi | You haven't, and I just wanna offer our sincere apologies for this inadvertent mistake. We just accidentally used the wrong template and we tried our best. So mea culpa, apologies, but we're gonna try to remedy this on the backend. And then we can also talk about the next steps moving forward with the building permit process and when staff can approve the sign off on those permits. So I can work with you tomorrow on those next steps as well. |
| 01:50:55.84 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 01:50:55.85 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:50:55.89 | Heidi | Right. |
| 01:50:55.94 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Any, any other thoughts or comments at this time, Mr. and Mrs. Burton or Alejandra? Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:51:06.47 | Alejandra | Okay. |
| 01:51:06.70 | Kristina Feller | I'm sorry. |
| 01:51:06.79 | Alejandra | Thank you. |
| 01:51:06.82 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:51:06.84 | Alejandra | Yeah, I think from my own, just to thank you for working with us on this. And yeah, it's been helpful. |
| 01:51:07.28 | Kristina Feller | Yeah. |
| 01:51:17.50 | Alejandra | Thank you. |
| 01:51:17.54 | Kristina Feller | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 01:51:17.81 | Alejandra | you Thank you. |
| 01:51:18.30 | Kristina Feller | Appreciate that. Thank you. |
| 01:51:19.53 | Alejandra | Thank you. |
| 01:51:20.44 | Kristina Feller | Okay, so at this time, let's go ahead and pull it back up to our virtual dais here and enter into any discussion and deliberations at the commission. again we are not taking a formal action this evening but the discussion and deliberation will be still worthwhile. Commissioner Graff do you want to start us off? |
| 01:51:43.54 | Richard Graef | Thanks, Chair Feller. I want to thank the applicants too for bringing this forward I think it's a great solution. I like the fact that they height is reduced from the previous solution, which I thought was a little maybe too decorative. I think it's Well, I think the findings can all be made and I like it. And, and, uh, I can't say much more. Good job. |
| 01:52:19.37 | Kristina Feller | Great, terrific, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Graff. Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 01:52:25.86 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you, Chair Feller. Yes, I agree with Commissioner Graff. This is an excellent solution. And I think the fact that they're adding two parking spaces on this street, additional parking spaces in addition to the two that they were doing, is an excellent move because the street can use the parking. I think that the building is a very nice design as it's gone up. And I think that although the garage would have been a nice design and this will actually be lower in scale it allows for this this deck over it and it actually will give the building more prominence so I think they've done a great job here and I can make the findings as well Thank you. |
| 01:53:06.68 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Commissioner Luxenberg. Vice Chair Junius. |
| 01:53:10.23 | Andrew Junius | Yeah, I agree with my fellow commissioners I just love the fact that you can walk from the house all the way to the edge of the deck. in the front. I think that's very cool. and well done and it's a great project. |
| 01:53:25.70 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you. I too have no problem making the findings. I actually like this. I like both solutions, to be honest. but I appreciate that in this solution the attention to detail and keeping the aesthetic is still carried within this garage detail and the lighting and the materials and so on. I will just make sure that the cable rail of the neighbor's kitchen window is part of the condition of approval if it is not already drawn up, Cecilia. since that was... discussed and agreed between neighbors which we appreciate very much and a very good and reasonable solution technically as well for this project And With that, I would like to make a motion to continue this to a date certain. of April 20th. And Heidi, if I need to identify procedurally the type of continuation that would be or that will be handled in the in the staff in the noticing |
| 01:54:36.36 | Heidi | Yes, TAP will handle this in the noticing. Yep, in terms of what to expect. |
| 01:54:41.69 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Okay. I would second that motion. |
| 01:54:45.72 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:54:45.74 | Heidi | Right. |
| 01:54:45.82 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:54:45.93 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 01:54:45.96 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 01:54:46.03 | Heidi | Let's take a vote, Heidi. Commissioner Graff? |
| 01:54:49.57 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 01:54:50.30 | Heidi | Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 01:54:51.49 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 01:54:51.83 | Heidi | Thank you. Opposed Chair Junius? Yes. Chair Feller. Yes. Motion passes. |
| 01:54:57.25 | Kristina Feller | Great, thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. and Mrs. Burton, and good luck. |
| 01:55:01.82 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 01:55:01.84 | Mrs. Burton | Thank you. |
| 01:55:01.85 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:55:02.58 | Mrs. Burton | Thank you. |
| 01:55:04.77 | Kristina Feller | Okay, let's now that we have shifted the agenda, let's move back to 110 fourth street. We will resume where we left off, which was the applicants 15 minute presentation on their design. So this is now technically 60. B. And we will welcome back the applicants, Mr. Rempel, Ms. Miranda. And the good news is that we see your screen. So we're there. If I could ask the Zoom team to please start the timer. I would appreciate that. And we're back handing over it to you. The floor is yours. |
| 01:55:55.06 | Tim Rempel | Okay, is this? Do I sound like I have an echo? Yep. Okay, great. |
| 01:56:01.93 | Kristina Feller | Nope. Go ahead. |
| 01:56:04.06 | Tim Rempel | Okay, so I'm gonna have to take this off. I can't, I do hear an echo. You can't hear me. Oh, I'm hearing echo. Can you mute your phone? That doesn't work. All right. I'm going to turn that off. Now I can hear, all right, can you hear me? Yep. Yep. That's great. |
| 01:56:25.47 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 01:56:26.89 | Tim Rempel | All right, so basically we're back and I wanted to address the various comments of the for the commissioners. I was starting with that and then go through the presentation. Commissioner Graff had questions about the sight lines and the other things these were basically as we get to them these are guides for me to understand the views from the neighbors and to see how I needed to adjust the geometry of the building to accommodate and minimize and mitigate any impact of the views the uh let's see central or height limit so those are all going into this and I have to apologize for the discrepancies that have been apparent and the data points for elevations in the elevations. I can explain this very simply. I have a surveyor who did these presented these drawings to us originally. because of his age, he's in the East Coast, he's not able to do this. He sent his assistant out to verify the lines and they use different benchmarks. Because they use different benchmarks, my intermediate dimensioning and SOIFL certification was based on another number. They're still all relatively the same number. These have all been corrected now. They've all been reviewed on the current set of documentation. And I think the most true thing you could look at instead of looking at these elevation points here would be to see the building on the street see where it was previously with the story poles and realize the story poles have a move So the dimension points had moved on the drawings to come closer or exactly to the benchmark, which was there established originally by the original severity. He put all this data back into his survey and he gave that to me and then reviewed with me my data. So these drawings have been dialed in with all the data points on heights and elevations. And again, if you look from the street, we have popped the building up three or four feet. It's still the 18 inches at the red line which has now receded um to where things are now let me start in on the presentation so basically following the last meeting we have revised the design We have changed the height of the building at the front line of the roof. I need the power. I'm going to just die in a second. change the line at the front, hide the roof, and I'll just go straight. |
| 01:58:56.94 | Maria Miranda | No, no, no, go back. |
| 01:58:58.32 | Tim Rempel | one of the |
| 01:58:58.36 | Maria Miranda | What is it? Thank you. |
| 01:58:58.91 | Tim Rempel | Amen. Thank you. Can I do this presentation? and you can just... You have to go on. There we go. So we've changed the height of the roof. You can see here in the section on the right, you see the red line coming up. And I don't know if you can see my cursor, is my cursor visible? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So... The red line is approximately the viewing angle of all the neighbors across the street. In fact, when I show you the slides, I wanted to thank you all for putting pressure on our neighbors to allow us in because finally after two plus years I've been able to go in and document |
| 01:59:37.15 | Adam East | Two plus years. |
| 01:59:41.14 | Tim Rempel | the amount of the view obstruction, which we will get to in the presentation to demonstrate, which would all be apparent to each of you, if you would go into our neighbors' homes, that we really are not obstructing their views with this design. What we started out with originally with a 30 inch raised to the building was lowered to an 18 inch. And then we changed the geometry here at the front of the roof. Again, all of these things were done to accommodate our neighbors. And yet when we've done all of this, this point, we still don't have their full agreement in this. So I just have to acknowledge that we're not gonna be able to agree fully. So I will go through quickly. Now in the presentation, I'm gonna zoom back up here So this drawing shows the most relevant building because there's no issue with the back building. The back building is out of everybody's view plane. So it's really the front building. The building here on the left, East House, shows the drawing two on this sheet It shows the existing building. with the new proposed roof line in red superimposed over that. Can you see that? Yes, yes. I don't know if that's how visible that is, but this is literally where the view has any impact is right here at the front of the building. Back here, we could probably go another four feet taller. You could go four feet high with this building. It wouldn't impact their views. What is impacting is here, and that's clear to see if you visit their sites and take the viewing angles. So we are literally here at this point. We've lowered this another six inches. So we are literally at two by six higher than our existing roof. That's the amount we have. We've lowered our building here in the front to. We did that by pushing our bridge line back. The front of the building, we have gone into a curved design and we've lowered this by about six inches. So we're now actually not even 14, we're about 13 feet, nine inches above the existing grade. And this is the design of that that's fully visible. So we're at 83.6. At the view, this is 13 feet eight inch, eight and a half inches to the top of this. This allows us to do an eight foot ceiling inside the building, seven feet below. We're doing this also by lowering this grade by about six inches. And these are the things we've done to accommodate the viewing angles after we have verified their views through photos. So I'm going to go through these quickly here. Here's his street view. The other side view, basically the same diagram, exists the presentation of the proposed elevation on the left drawing one and drawing two, the superposition of the roof line on the left over the existing building. Drawing three is the back building. And on the back building, we dramatically change elevation three to remove windows and balcony on this facade facing our neighbor, Karen Shelton. And we've now have a high window above, actually above head height here. This is, this window up here is up in the trees. You can't even see it. And this small window here on the side is a minimal thing. And we've re-arranted the room. So it really looks towards the east. And I will scroll ahead. In the floor plan, it shows the changes. There's a very high window here on the left, low window there. And the living room we've oriented around the corner, again, towards the east and this northeast. Here's a cross section. All of these numbers, all the section numbers here dial in to are consistent with the survey and the data we have now. This is the site section. materials we got rid of the industrial metal that uh was criticized by the designer new board and so we're keeping the existing shingle and instead we're going to a cement plaster wall this is a warm brown grayish brown a grayish brown that's here this is a picture of similar material important place concrete for the base of the building |
| 02:03:33.20 | Maria Miranda | Oh, no. |
| 02:03:43.55 | Tim Rempel | And the idea of going to a sod roof here from a sod roof to a AstroTurf was one dealing with a water shortage. The idea that it's gonna be hard to maintain on a roof. My wife will talk about this a little later, but this was the highest quality artificial turf we could find. It's class A rated. We can use it on a roof. It is used on roofs and, I will leave that. go through our renderings and we're very happy to share these with the planning commissioner we didn't know that these were not you can see on the left the car lift for the trellis this is a spruce tree it's not a pine that's here on the left side it actually sits 90 on our neighbor's property branches come onto ours we have every intention of protecting this tree it provides a wonderful privacy screen to our neighbors and we want to protect it and that our addition stays clear of the branches and that sort of thing. So we will do make every effort to keep this as healthy as possible because it's a tree we love. you can see from here that the car lift allows some through views, but in reality from the street here, you really can't see anything but this street. You can't really see past it. Um, Side view. shows the carport, one car in the carport, one car here, and then the car lift, which drops down in second car below. I'll demonstrate how that works a little later. Here's a closeup of the car lift. It has a raised bin on each side, the wheel well. And again, when it rises up, it allows you access the car below. This is a picture of the rear house. The rear house from the street is a drop of about eight and a half feet. You walk around the carport in the front, you walk along the straight path, to the rear door. gives you access. Commissioner Graff had a question about how the steps are accessed. The door down below on the lower yard takes you out to the small patio. And from there, there are steps down this side of the house to the exterior yard. Another rendering, another view showing the back house. Here is the rear house, again, the window shifted towards the east on this side. And then the front house beyond, you can see the similarity in color between the houses. An aerial view, relationship of the front house to the rear house view beyond. Again, parking, parking. Refuse. |
| 02:06:19.98 | Tim Rempel | We did quite a bit of neighborhood outreach. Our neighbors were very gracious and longed to come in. We photo documented before we took down the polls and after we put up the news story polls. We met with our neighbors on the street and we had good conversations with them. We didn't agree on everything, but we were very civil with one another. So we were very grateful that our neighbors have reciprocated and that was all good. But I want to go through the neighbors' views because the view issues seem to be a contention. There are four neighbors across the street. The first one directly across the street are the parks. who have been opposed to our raising the roof level. But I wanna show you again, these are photos they gave us. We took them, we gave them back. So they have seen all of these photos. And these are done, I did these at 50 millimeter, which is normal eyesight. And then I did some zoom. So the photo above from the park balcony shows Zero obstruction. This is from their lower living room level. From their upper level, obviously they're above this. Here is the view at 100 millimeters. The site line is blocked by building beyond and by green. So we're basically, we have minimized the roof This the building the front doesn't affect it. If that view angle the red dashed line is this view plane coming in. The parks have no view obstruction. I'll go to the next building. I can go back to these if you'd like me to later. This is from the Murphy Quinn's. from Ms. Murphy Quinn Porch. This is their view. Obviously, when we get rid of the tree, they'll see the bay again. But this is literally the view obstruction here. It is a two by six of height. beyond above our outmost eve. It's two by six, six inches. That's how much higher that is. That's what you're seeing there with that little bit of space. Our study is actually to the side of their view. They have the same issues there. It's not something with blocks to view. It's the front of the building here, which is that six inch approximate obstruction. Next I'll go to the DuFour's. Now with the Dufour, Mr. Dufour, we did have a difference of opinion because he felt that his views from his yard, which is here, should be protected. This is in the middle of his yard, 20 feet in from the street, he felt he had a loss I'm sorry, I can't protect that view. WITHOUT not changing my building at all, not doing an addition, not remodeling it. However, from his entry, which is coming up the stair to his building on his living room level, you can see here there is zero obstruction. He has, again, here a two by six of height, Right here at the front, you can follow my cursor. In fact, the study doesn't affect this at all. Another view here, this is the view obstruction. And I would say the DuPour's have the biggest view obstruction. Consider this a view of obstruction here that shouldn't be there. That's the amount of it. And so I want this all to be really visible to the planning commissioners and you can visit this neighbors yourselves and see this for your own self, with your own eyes. Finally, the Mahoney Same thing, Mahoney side view on his porch. And he wanted me to take it from his porch from inside the house is even less of a view because he looks through his porch, but his view is actually mostly of the buildings across the street. But this is the sea level here. There's Angel Island beyond for the tree trunks and whatnot. And that's the view right there. We're getting six inches above the roof line. So finally, I'm gonna go through the issue of the culvert. I talked to the city engineer. He felt that this map was probably might be off and it might actually follow this red line under our neighbors. Although it's been dashed in here, it's right along the property line. We'll do. I can't crawl down into the culvert. I'd like to track exactly where it is, but we don't know without cooperation with the engineering department. Our foundations are a good 10 feet away from this because we push our structural support for the building. I'll zip back up here. our structural force for that building are they're pulled back from the building edge five feet. property line is here. The culvert is likely down here. And we'll be at least five or six feet off to the side with a helical piers. When we do this and we'll make every effort do not have any impact on this. And we'll do testing ahead of time to make sure there won't be any impact. We're very concerned with this as well. Obviously the culvert serves the entire neighborhood. Switching back to the end again. The car lift, you have questions about the car lift? Um, Commissioner Feller. I did the first or we did the first car lifts which were put into Sausalito. They were at 88 Casano. They were done 13 years ago. They were perfectly functional when we installed them. They're perfectly functional today. You can reach out to the owners that are knocking on their door and ask them how they work. 88 Casno, 90 Casno. which we built again 13 years ago, perfectly functional. They're used all over the city and in East Bay and other places. This is how they work. There's a deep deck. Unfortunately, I only have a double version visible here for this. If they drop down or drop up, WITH THE CONTROL. |
| 02:11:43.52 | Kristina Feller | So Mr. Red Bull, I please forgive my, my interruption of, of your presentation. |
| 02:11:47.42 | Tim Rempel | Yeah. |
| 02:11:50.15 | Kristina Feller | Your 15 minutes is up here. I'm going to let you finish with the card discussion here because it was a question anyway, and you don't get deducted for answering a question we have. So... |
| 02:11:52.90 | Unknown | I'm going to let you know. |
| 02:12:03.55 | Kristina Feller | if you don't mind my interruption, let's finish with the car and then we'll bring it back to the commission. |
| 02:12:11.13 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. We've used it before. I've used it professionally, find it very suitable here. It actually is the only real way of getting parking on a tight site like ours to function properly. So I think it's a very innovative solution to providing housing in the city of Sausalito, which you want. to accommodate the parking to use mechanisms such as this. So this is the side view. Here is a series of shots showing it going up and down. This is an exterior application. Again, we're hiding this behind concrete walls. So this is down. It's in the up position. Halfway up, dropping down. down again. And finally, the alternative version is this similar lift, different company where the entire platform just rises up and down. I actually prefer this. So I'm trying to find out if we can use this instead. I think it's a more attractive lift, but it just rises up straight and down. We don't need a trellis to hide the mechanism. The entire mechanism here is underground. It's going down, et cetera. So that concludes the presentation that we have, unless you have questions. |
| 02:13:22.95 | Kristina Feller | Great, thank you very much. Appreciate a lot of responding to some of our questions and a little bit more detail here. So let's go ahead and just stop screen sharing for just a moment. if you don't mind. |
| 02:13:40.03 | Unknown | AND WE HAVE TO END OF THEM. |
| 02:13:40.63 | Kristina Feller | And this would be the time for commissioners to have an opportunity to ask the applicant So Commissioner Luxembourg, would you like to start us off? |
| 02:13:51.84 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you, Chair Fowler. Yes, I do have a series of questions. First, I wanna thank you for changing the corrugated metal to the wood shingles. I think that's much more in keeping with the neighborhood. and also changing the sliding glass door, which was a concern of the privacy of Nevada on Main Street. I am very concerned about the height. I know that last time you said the daddy was off ignore the elevations, but your drawings are the only information that we have. And going to your point about relative nature, The previous plan showed a floor study elevation at 74 feet 10 inches and a maximum height of 83 feet 11 inches and the new plans are showing the floor uh of the the study floor at 74 inches nine inches so basically the same but showing the height at 84 uh feet four inches so in other words your study in the previous plan had a lower ceiling height than the current one does. And given that the biggest issue here appears to be blocking of the view, it would seem to me that this new design is bigger, it's currently bigger than the existing house. And that if you could have accommodated in the last set of plans, unless those were just wrong. I mean, you keep saying those plans are wrong and the previous plans are wrong. but I don't get it given that this is the biggest issue and the front is clearly going up three or four feet from the existing house. If you want to answer that one, I'll save it. I'll do one at a time. |
| 02:15:38.98 | Tim Rempel | Yeah. |
| 02:15:40.02 | Unknown | . |
| 02:15:41.04 | Tim Rempel | . Yeah, I'd be happy to answer that. So can you hear me? Yeah, OK. All right. So I expect Thank you. I'm hearing echoes. So I believe I explained the issue with the survey data. |
| 02:15:53.36 | Adam East | So I believe I experienced |
| 02:15:57.10 | Tim Rempel | What you have in your hands isn't just the drawings. It's the building here on the street, which you can drive by and you can see. The story poles haven't moved. The ridgelines haven't moved. It hasn't. Nothing's gone up. beyond what we have there. So if you're asking questions about the ceiling being higher in the last go around. It's not true. That is not the case. Because I want to decide |
| 02:16:19.65 | Jeffery Luxenberg | is just to interrupt you a second. I've been by this property at least a dozen times. So I'm very aware of what |
| 02:16:26.11 | Adam East | I'm going to go. |
| 02:16:26.13 | Tim Rempel | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 02:16:26.43 | Adam East | Thank you. |
| 02:16:27.85 | Jeffery Luxenberg | the things are and your story polls before were sagging and problematic. So it is very difficult to tell whether it's up or down. But what your drawings show is that that study has increased in height. And if this is an issue, I'm asking you, can you decrease the height of that study to help solve this problem, even if it's six inches, an additional six inches or a foot, that would go a long way to solve this problem. |
| 02:16:55.05 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. I don't understand why... |
| 02:16:55.49 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I don't understand why. |
| 02:16:58.68 | Tim Rempel | I don't understand why it would be necessary to lower the height of a building, which blocks nobody's views right now. And if you can explain that, I would like to be, I would like somehow to have be enlightened as to that. I really don't understand that. I have lowered the building elevation. It is now 13 feet six above the, above the street level as previously we started was 15 feet We dropped it down 18 inches. I can demonstrate that to you with some other drawings, but I'd have to go through iteration by iteration and dial those in for you. But I can do that and I can send you an email about that to clarify those. But the real question here is why when there is a demonstrable no block of view, you would request that we would drop the ceiling roof another six inches. What it means I'm dropping the ceiling height from eight feet to seven foot six. inside a room. |
| 02:17:49.34 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Again, I... |
| 02:17:49.41 | Tim Rempel | I'm sorry. Thank you. |
| 02:17:51.46 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 02:17:51.48 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. |
| 02:17:51.53 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. uh you're this is going to get continued uh because of the notice anyway so yes if you could document how this is so that we can understand it because i don't quite i've been by it many times i've seen it with many iterations of your story polls and i think it's still a problem and i think that six inches will make a difference and you don't think it is it's now harder because let me get onto this fig tree. Why haven't you proceeded to get this fig tree out of there because that would help. Why haven't you submitted an application for removal of the fig tree? |
| 02:18:27.53 | Maria Miranda | Can I respond? |
| 02:18:28.30 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Did you hear the question? |
| 02:18:29.11 | Maria Miranda | those questions on my side. Sorry, sorry, sorry, |
| 02:18:33.55 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:18:37.03 | Andrew Junius | If you have a few computers, they're going to get to do that. |
| 02:18:37.35 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Is it? |
| 02:18:37.97 | Richard Graef | I'm not sure. |
| 02:18:38.06 | Jeffery Luxenberg | THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO. |
| 02:18:38.97 | Adam East | Yeah. |
| 02:18:39.03 | Jeffery Luxenberg | to know. |
| 02:18:40.45 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, Mr. Rempel, can we fix the sound on your end? We're getting a lot of |
| 02:18:46.48 | Dr. Kent | I don't know what it is. |
| 02:18:47.62 | Jeffery Luxenberg | If you have two computers on, one's going to get feedback from the other bus. |
| 02:18:47.66 | Dr. Kent | Thank you. |
| 02:18:54.63 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Okay. |
| 02:18:55.25 | Kristina Feller | Well, Ms. Miranda, if you can hear us, you seem to be still here on this... Can you hear me? |
| 02:19:00.97 | Maria Miranda | Can you hear me? |
| 02:19:01.72 | Jeffery Luxenberg | your business. |
| 02:19:02.24 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 02:19:02.32 | Maria Miranda | Yeah. Thank you. |
| 02:19:02.88 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes, we can hear you. |
| 02:19:04.11 | Maria Miranda | You can hear me. I'll turn on the video if you want to see me, but you don't have to see me. In response to the fig tree, as we've stated in the beginning, that we will remove the tree after the whole approval process. At this moment in time, I mean, we can trim it And I'm sorry, I forgot that that was actually something we raised. It just got lost in the shuffle. So we're happy to trim the tree, At this moment, there's no reason for us to remove the tree until this whole thing is done. it wouldn't be so easy to remove the tree because of all the other components and things that are by the structure. But it is our intent to get rid of the tree. I have spoken to Public Works. I have spoken to the survey, the arborist, um, And they've also conveyed to me that one of the neighbors asked for the tree to be removed If they'd like to do it in advance, they're welcome to do it personally for us. I would like to do it and our intent is to do it after this whole application is over with because technically we don't need to remove the tree we can trim it off but if it becomes a requirement, we will do that. But our preferences is after. SO I... |
| 02:20:16.00 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I understand that, but your husband just asked that we look at the story polls and the views, and this tree now is causing a problem because it impinges the views, so it makes it difficult. So I would highly encourage you before this next meeting that you at least trim it down below the height of the building so that we can make this evaluation and go out again without the tree in the way. And then you still need to submit to public works an application. I would suggest that you may wanna get that application in to public works because even if you want to remove it, you still need that approval. You can trim it without that approval. |
| 02:20:56.99 | Maria Miranda | So I'll respond, Commissioner, we will go ahead and trim the the all the I'm sorry the big three at this moment so that you can see whether we're planning. |
| 02:21:05.92 | Jeffery Luxenberg | WHERE THERE WAS A REPUBLICAN PARTICIPATION, That would be helpful if we could get up below the height of the building. And then my third question was related to if you have 3D drawings, your first drawing shows a peaked roof, not a barreled roof in your drawing set. I'm not sure if you before the next meeting, if you could go through and update your drawings. So all the drawings are consistent with one another. That would be useful to our review process. |
| 02:21:34.89 | Mr. Tran | I'm a little bit better. |
| 02:21:36.09 | Tim Rempel | Yeah I thought we had that that that could be a leftover from the first go-round |
| 02:21:39.85 | Maria Miranda | I mean, And Cecilia has had the drawing, so she did not say anything. So we submitted what we thought was necessary. |
| 02:21:45.62 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 02:21:45.74 | Tim Rempel | Yeah. |
| 02:21:45.86 | Jeffery Luxenberg | to do. She's a good friend. |
| 02:21:51.11 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Your first drawing in your set, forgetting Cecilia's set, is that the correct drawing? |
| 02:21:55.81 | Tim Rempel | No, you're actually correct. I didn't change out the peak proof from the cover sheet. Just the cover sheet. I didn't change it. |
| 02:21:59.97 | Jeffery Luxenberg | THAT WAS THE ONE. So that is the only 3D, if you can understand our frustration, that's the only 3D rendering that we have. |
| 02:22:02.53 | Tim Rempel | So, that's... If you can understand already, I wish. |
| 02:22:12.23 | Tim Rempel | Okay. I don't understand why the planner does not forward you a series of renderings, which we gave her. They should be, they should, they demonstrate what the project is doing. They should have been distributed to you guys. Sorry they weren't. |
| 02:22:26.48 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Chair Feller, those are the questions I have at this time. Thank you. |
| 02:22:30.10 | Kristina Feller | Excellent questions. Thank you for being so thorough, Commissioner Luxenberg. Commissioner Graff, on to you. |
| 02:22:37.29 | Richard Graef | Um... Questions? I don't have any. More questions. Okay. we'll just pass on. |
| 02:22:49.83 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Very well. Vice Chair Junius. |
| 02:22:53.36 | Andrew Junius | No questions at this time. |
| 02:22:55.20 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Um, Let's see. Um, I did have a question earlier about a condition of approval in terms of the tree protection of i think you're referring to it as a cypress it was hard to determine exactly what it was are you amenable to this |
| 02:23:16.95 | Maria Miranda | The tree protection. |
| 02:23:17.69 | Kristina Feller | the tree protection plan. |
| 02:23:19.33 | Maria Miranda | I think we first need to comment that Shri itself is not primarily on our property. It is on the neighbor's property. |
| 02:23:27.56 | Maria Miranda | We have a very nice relationship with the neighbor Actually, we said, you know, some of the limbs are extending into our property and we want to trim back. So he's. completely in agreement with that, but it's actually history and not |
| 02:23:39.59 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:23:40.51 | Maria Miranda | But yes, we will make all the proper precautions to save the tree and we'll he's compliant to having a trim back. |
| 02:23:50.14 | Kristina Feller | Well, my understanding is that the roots usually follow the drip line, which means you have some pretty major roots on your property. And even though I understand that some of your demolition and and new excavation is not right at the tree, understood that. Um, some of those roots might be of significance. So we would be looking for a tree protection program if everybody is amenable to keeping that tree as we would want that tree protected. So I just want to, as a condition of approval, float that bayou That's, I think we're- |
| 02:24:27.44 | Tim Rempel | I don't have any issue with that. |
| 02:24:28.85 | Kristina Feller | We don't have vision. |
| 02:24:29.58 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:24:29.61 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you for that. Um, And then I'm just curious how this artificial turf came into play. Um. you know the whole point of a living roof or succulent is that it doesn't require a lot of water so |
| 02:24:47.84 | Adam East | I'm not. |
| 02:24:49.02 | Kristina Feller | Typically it's the moisture from the air. And any rainfall that we might be lucky enough to get is enough to suffice for a living green roof. And that was our understanding I think I'm speaking for some of the other commissioners who have commented on this. I think we all understood that this was a green roof in the sense that it was a living green roof, not AstroTurf. So when did that change? |
| 02:25:14.89 | Maria Miranda | I'll comment on that. Let me just, first of all, express, we've always done, in fact, all the homes we've done have been green, very efficient homes. We wanted to do the green roof, a real green roof, for primarily aesthetic purposes, but after looking into it, the actual planting and maintenance would be tremendous. particularly since we've had so many times when it's been, we haven't had sufficient rain. So I looked into the alternative of the AstroTurf The AstroTurf is actually better. It's less maintenance. It's easy to clean and it's also lightweight. rather than the grass, which could be heavier and would require replacement because this area also has quite a bit of wind. if it wasn't grass and it was succulents, they could just break off. Um, further with a lighter weight roof, we're also going to be more efficient overall in the heating and keeping cooling of the home. was motivated from what? uh first an aesthetic purpose and then now realize having a live green roof would be just too expensive to manage and this would be much easier. we would prefer this rather than a regular roof still I mean this is still going to be more expensive than a regular roof but it's gonna be better than a regular. But there is no. |
| 02:26:41.68 | Kristina Feller | Do you have a roof plan that you submitted? I think we, I know more than more than just myself had a problem finding that. |
| 02:26:52.02 | Tim Rempel | We did submit a roof plan. It is the story poll and a roof plan. And that was part of the submittal. Yeah. Again, It's in the set of documentation that I believe Ms. Jaroszelski has. It just was not considered one of the necessary drawings to show here. We're not showing every single drawing we have. We're showing ones that we felt, for efficiency's sake, would it be biped. |
| 02:27:19.46 | Kristina Feller | And does that go for the landscape plan as well? |
| 02:27:23.68 | Unknown | Oh, yeah. |
| 02:27:26.63 | Kristina Feller | I'm sorry? |
| 02:27:29.79 | Maria Miranda | I didn't hear your question. Sorry, you broke off. |
| 02:27:31.52 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. |
| 02:27:31.80 | Kristina Feller | I'm sorry, the landscape plan. Does that go for the landscape plan? plan as well. |
| 02:27:36.79 | Tim Rempel | The landscape plan was shown this very first slide that I showed was the landscape plan. |
| 02:27:41.68 | Kristina Feller | Okay. And is that matching some of the, um, the modeling and the renderings, particularly for that front area, is that meant to all be what appears to be lavender? |
| 02:27:51.24 | Maria Miranda | Thank you. Lavender and ornamental grass. Okay. |
| 02:27:59.23 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. No trees. And in fact, we're not proposing to use the cypress trees that Cecilia has on her drawings because they actually are not WUI compliant. They're too flammable. So along the property line, we were gonna use pitosporum tenufolium, which is on our, I believe the most recent a landscape plan would present to cecilia there may be some old language on there but i'm pretty sure it was all revised and removed to remove the cypress trees |
| 02:28:22.47 | Richard Graef | Bye. |
| 02:28:27.94 | Kristina Feller | And have you had a chance to discuss the landscape plan and planting plan with Southern Rune Fire? |
| 02:28:36.78 | Maria Miranda | No, we have not, but you know, we're amenable to, if there are any concerns about particular plants, we shall remove them, but in general, The landscape plan we have is basically low water, low maintenance kind of planting and screening. |
| 02:28:54.45 | Tim Rempel | I've done many projects in WUI. We were familiar with the plants that Southern Marine Fire allows and we're conforming with the variety and type of plants that are allowed by Marine Fire for WUI. |
| 02:28:54.74 | Maria Miranda | I... |
| 02:29:10.11 | Kristina Feller | Okay. And this is something that came up sort of in our questions to staff, but could you just very briefly explain the bioswale and the bioswale retention. |
| 02:29:23.69 | Tim Rempel | The bioswale is intended to take that. and said, down. the city streets. We actually have inserted it here, although I don't think it's necessary because we're in the |
| 02:29:48.09 | Tim Rempel | I'll just go on and simply adjust |
| 02:29:51.76 | Kristina Feller | Sir, you're breaking up a little bit. Um, |
| 02:29:55.72 | Tim Rempel | beautiful little microclimate there between the trees. And the bioswale was merely a type of bubbler, which I've used before on projects. If it happens to be required by our civil engineer, when we get that far, we would use that. It's a place for downwater, downspouts, et cetera, to come and do not create erosion but go into a set of rubble on rock and whatnot so that it can absorb into the soil at the bottom of the site. |
| 02:30:24.56 | Kristina Feller | And, Right, and thanks for turning your camera off. That helped with the bandwidth there, so thank you for that. |
| 02:30:30.15 | Unknown | All right. |
| 02:30:31.23 | Kristina Feller | Um, Okay. Um, Okay, I don't think I have any more questions at this time. Let me just ask the rest of the commission, just by a show of hands, if they have any. additional questions at this time for for the applicant If they don't, we're going to go ahead and open up public comment And to do so, if you could raise your hand in the Zoom application. or press star nine on your cell phone. And before I take our first public comment, I just want to confirm on the record that we have received four different correspondences from the public on this project. And Cecilia, if we received anything else since we've been in this hearing, if you could just confirm that. |
| 02:31:22.95 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Commissioner, no, I have not received anything. |
| 02:31:26.29 | Kristina Feller | Okay, great. Thank you. All right, so each public speaker has three minutes to make a public comment, and we've put a timer up on the screen here. Mr. Duford, I see that you are the first uh public commenter this evening so welcome if you could unmute yourself and the floor is yours |
| 02:31:46.94 | Mr. Duford | Thank you. May I share my screen please? |
| 02:31:50.56 | Kristina Feller | Yes let's stop the clock here. Zoom team. Okay you are a co-host now. and we've reset the clock for you. |
| 02:31:59.16 | Mr. Duford | Okay, I'm gonna share my entire screen to start and I'll navigate to some files. So please tell me, can you see this photo on my screen? |
| 02:32:09.47 | Kristina Feller | We see the zoom screen. Yep. Now we see the photo. Yes. |
| 02:32:14.01 | Mr. Duford | Okay, great, there's a slight delay. So this is the view impact from my patio and the front half of my yard. You can see it's not a two by six increase. These are the two by sixes, it's quite a bit more than that. You can also see where the fig tree obscures the view. There's actually a cut in on the roof here. So it's actually quite a bit more than that. Just the two by four and this addition or two by six and additional area here. So I'm not sure where that came from. Tim was sharing some plans which are quite a bit different than the ones that were on the track hit. He showed one illustrating a three-inch increase, and here he's showing it almost six-inch increase. You'll see that this is all deceptive because you have this peak here, which is a major source of view impacts. So returning to my photos, this is the newest iteration. This is a simulation I did. And this is actually a photo that Tim took at my house. And this is the previous iteration of the design. So you can see there's not a substantial change At least not one that's 18 inches or any of it. many numbers of news thrown out there. Um, Uh, And then this is the photo that Tim provided for his presentation just now. So you can see it's actually quite a substantial view impact for me. And I'll note that this is actually taken quite a bit further back than where he took his previous shot for the old iteration. Um, So I'm a little frustrated by that. um i'll go ahead and stop sharing um you know i don't have that much more to say um i opposed to the view increase you know the one that affects me the most is the one at the rear of the house and you know we made a proposal that tim lowered at a certain amount i don't remember the exact number and we never really received a response on that um uh in terms of the fig tree i did all the legwork with lauren umbertus he said that if you remove the tree that just didn't encroach on permit um but here liz say that they're willing to trim it because you could trim it about for two hours with the pole trimmer and a lopper so that's great to hear um yeah you know we've had a ton of engagement on this project this is going on in 2017 this is at least my third meeting here um you know i think you guys have gotten the flavor of some of the frustrations that we've had on this project. I would really like it if the council person speak. is at least my third meeting here. I think you guys have gotten the flavor of some of the frustrations that we've had on this project. I would really like it if the council person could give clear guidance to the applicants. Ideally want to, you know, the concrete height reduction request and getting those numbers correct on the sheets. I hate to come back here, but I just can't be a fan of a project that blows out the view from the front half of my yard and takes away about half of it from the remainder of it, including my patio where I lose my entire view. And I'm happy to share any vantage points, locations of my photos, any other details answered, any questions from you guys. And thanks to Christina and Jeffrey for your trips to my house. I really appreciate that. So thank you. |
| 02:34:41.35 | Adam East | Right? Thank you. |
| 02:34:43.41 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:34:43.59 | Adam East | Thank you. |
| 02:34:53.30 | Adam East | And I'm happy to share |
| 02:34:57.87 | Adam East | Thank you. |
| 02:35:07.74 | Mr. Duford | Hudson. |
| 02:35:08.96 | Kristina Feller | Thank you very much. Let's see, I'm looking for any other hands from the public to make public comment. I see a Patrick and Martina. I'll welcome this evening if you could unmute yourselves. And we've reset the clock for three minutes. Let's see if we can unmute Patrick and Martina. |
| 02:35:37.71 | Kristina Feller | Patrick and Martina, if you can hear me. |
| 02:35:39.26 | Patrick and Martina | Yeah. |
| 02:35:40.38 | Kristina Feller | There we go. There we go. All right, the floor is yours. Three minutes. There you go. |
| 02:35:45.62 | Patrick and Martina | Hi there. Thanks for your time this evening. My issue still is, or our issue still is, that we have difficulty really seeing the impact with the fig tree. So I appreciate Liz offering to trim it down to the roof line so that we can really see what the impact is. BEHIND, UM, behind the tree. We had difficulty really assessing this. We do still have some impact from our master bedroom. And in order to try and ascertain what that was, we used Photoshop to try and get the tree out of the picture so that we could really see what the impact would be. And so here we have it. I mean, it's the same picture. It's just with the tree taken out. You can see that. And then further down here, we've, we've used to be |
| 02:36:35.91 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Excuse me, I'm so sorry for the interruption. Let's stop the clock. We're not seeing your screen. I think you're referring to something, but we're not seeing your screen. |
| 02:36:44.49 | Unknown | YOU'RE SURE. |
| 02:36:45.73 | Kristina Feller | If we could provide co-host functions to Patrick and Martina, I think there you go. Let's try to get your screen up here before we start the clock again. |
| 02:36:51.50 | Unknown | THEIR OWNERS. |
| 02:37:02.66 | Kristina Feller | So let's see if we can get that done. All right, we see you. |
| 02:37:07.06 | Patrick and Martina | Thank you. Can you share? |
| 02:37:07.43 | Kristina Feller | Okay. |
| 02:37:09.00 | Patrick and Martina | OK, sorry. Let's see. He's good. |
| 02:37:17.16 | Patrick and Martina | Thank you. |
| 02:37:17.42 | Patrick and Martina | Thank you. |
| 02:37:17.58 | Kristina Feller | be a green |
| 02:37:18.50 | Patrick and Martina | you Yeah, there, I see it, I see it, okay. Um... Here we go. Okay, I'm sorry about that. Can you see the screen now? Yeah. |
| 02:37:29.07 | Kristina Feller | Yeah. |
| 02:37:29.15 | Patrick and Martina | Thank you. |
| 02:37:29.22 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Yes, we can see that now. Let's go ahead and start the clock again. |
| 02:37:30.07 | Patrick and Martina | I'm sorry. Okay, thank you for your patience. Here's a picture from our master bedroom and you can see that the tree there impacts our ability to really ascertain the impact of the view. So we Photoshopped it. uh we took the tree out here's what here's what you would expect it to look like but the impact of the um the building and the structure particularly the study you can see it does have some impact here from our master bedroom this picture is taken uh with a 50 millimeter lens from our master bedroom uh we still do have impact in that area so as i said i do appreciate liz's um offer to bring the fig tree down so that we can really get a sense of what that is um and uh what once we see that we would like to have further conversations about what we could do with that uh with the study and with the rear end to just uh bring it down some more and let's see how that um you know, can help mitigate any view impacts. Thanks for your time. |
| 02:38:42.80 | Kristina Feller | traffic. Thank you very much. Thank you for being here this evening. I'm looking for any other hands raised, any other public comment on this item. |
| 02:38:56.33 | Kristina Feller | Okay, seeing none, I'm going to go ahead and close public comment at this time and pull the discussion back up to our virtual dais. Again, just for a point of reference, we are not actually taking an action this evening due to a noticing issue. so we can discuss this further. and agree next steps as we do so. So Commissioner Luxenberg, do you want to start us off? |
| 02:39:23.90 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Sure. In this particular case, unlike the previous case where the notice issue is a problem, in this case it does give the opportunity to try to solve some issues here. I think the applicant really does need to get his drawings consistent with one another. If he can explain all these elevation numbers, that would be helpful. I think the height of the roof really does need you to come down a little bit. I think that he talked about multiple types of lifts, some with concrete, some with metal. He really needs to decide what it is he's proposing to us because whatever we approve is what we approve. And I don't really want him to have to come back to us a year from now for a design change because he completely changed the lift. in the whole thing that way. I think trimming the fig tree before our next meeting so we can better see the story polls is a great idea. I think him and her getting an application into Public Works for removal of that tree would be helpful because we can condition it, but if the Public Works doesn't approve it, then that's a problem. So it'd be good to get that to move along again i can't stress enough getting these drawings consistent because we keep seeing all sorts of different elevations and different drawings and also include in his package the what the what he's actually proposing for 3d elevations because uh we've seen multiple versions and the only one we saw this time was not what he's actually proposing for 3D elevations because we've seen multiple versions and the only one we saw this time was not what he was proposing. So anyways, I think those items can change, those items could get done before the next meeting, which would better inform what we could do at that meeting. So those are my thoughts at this time, Chair Feller. |
| 02:41:17.96 | Kristina Feller | Thank you, Commissioner Luxenberg. Commissioner Graff. |
| 02:41:22.89 | Richard Graef | Thank you, Chair Feller. let's see. Well, I guess, uh... I also have to express my frustration with the inconsistencies in the drawing and the lack of clarity and a bunch of issues. And I think, you know, that will all get worked out I'm sure. Um, So let's see, the fig tree. I don't see that. At this point, it's even that much of an issue. It's pretty clear from the story polls If the story polls and all that are correct, that it's not too hard to determine what the view impact is. I'm not able to negotiate a lot territory because of my disability. Um, I did walk up into the yard at the end Oh. I forgot which. and looked at it and frankly, I could see very little View impairment. just minimal. Uh, I'm not sure unless the story falls, Um, things are in the wrong place, that there's that much of an issue. from at least some standpoints. I was not able to, see every you know, see from all the neighbors that, um, of various houses. But in any event, from what I could see. It really, frankly, didn't seem to be that bad. I do think the project is slowly moving . something that might be acceptable. Um, the, uh, Ah! So... architecturally, I was really surprised. to see this curve roof and this Maybe somehow. looking off. Um, Frankly, I think the earlier version with a slightly peek through. was a better visual solution even though it was Hi. But I think based on that site diagram, And the... that was showed. I think it was on Street four. point out. Um, that it would be pretty difficult to bring that plate height height down much. Maybe. It's already squeezed. I'm not 100% convinced that there's a huge uh, issue. but maybe I'm just not able to see it all. So, yeah, I find the architectural solution with the curved roof and the kind of blocky form with a couple of little windows, it seems like it needs some articulation, some relief from that kind of expanse of or plaster or a faster, I guess it is. um, I'm just, I think, you know, it looked better before. And I realized, I understand how you came to the solution for how that solution evolved but I'm not sure that architecturally it's really satisfying. I don't know if it's a deal breaker. But I I think the overall design uh, has not been approved. I think as I'm not sure. kind of gone backwards a little bit. Um, Okay. basically I think those are My main issues, um, I think most of the other questions have all been answered. I think that at some point, this is probably gonna get resolved, but it's not there yet. Thank you. |
| 02:45:48.11 | Kristina Feller | Yeah. Thank you, Commissioner Graff. I appreciate those comments. Vice Chair Junius. |
| 02:45:55.76 | Andrew Junius | Thank you, Chair Feller. I'm going to go ahead and get a couple of preliminary I'm not sure. I do think that to the extent that there are trees on adjacent properties that need to be protected, they need to be protected and we do need a tree protection program that we have added to the conditions of approval I also, I'm just mystified by the AstroTurf you know, green roofs. I don't even I just don't understand. Yeah. That said, you know, I'm not the architect and I, I will wait for the other commissioners to comment or what we'll see the next time. It's probably not. honestly one way or another to me, but it just It just seems odd. not a huge AstroTurf fan. With respect to the view issue, I definitely fall into the camp of Commissioner Graff I don't see a view issue that would. to stop this from moving forward at this point. The key finding we're gonna have to make under our heightened design review findings is pretty straightforward. It says the site will be developed in a manner that minimizes not eliminates, it just minimizes the obstruction of use from surrounding properties. That's clearly happened to me. It's really unfortunate the architect and the project sponsor here. is. having trouble producing drawings that satisfy the commission. I sympathize with that. I think that's unfortunate. I think we probably would have been done a little bit sooner if the plans had been in a little bit better shape. your surveyor didn't have a problem and all these other things that happened but What it comes down to is we're arguing over inches here I don't think that's going to make much of a difference to anybody's view. So I would be Happy to move it ahead today. but I'm actually fine with the project as is and really won't have any further questions. |
| 02:47:37.97 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. Thank you very much. Um, I've got some frustrations myself. This is the third time that we've heard this project. The first was a study session, so we weren't gonna take any action anyway But you know, So many of the comments that we made in the study session are still you know, alive and kicking today. I'm frustrated that we're not we're not maybe being listened to in terms of what what it is we're asking for what it is we require to make the findings And so I just think a little more cooperation on that level would go a long way. I did listen to the January hearing again late this afternoon. And you know, the project sponsor did offer to trim that tree so that we could see the story polls better. And, you know, that hasn't happened. So I'm a little bit frustrated that you know, things like that that are important, that can help neighbors understand view impacts and things like that can, you know, it's a useful thing to do. Um, In the same light, at the last hearing, I was very clear in stating just what Vice Chair Julius mentioned. Nobody here in Sausalito is guaranteed zero impact to their views. It's just the fact of the matter. Nobody's immune to it. And the definition for primary view corridors are really from your homes. That being said, it's very clear that there are view impacts, but from certain primary views, but they're not, the views are not completely eliminated. That's still very hard, I think, to quantify until we get that fig tree down. below. the roof line or below the story pole line so we have some idea of what that really means. It's certainly gotten a lot bigger since we started hearing this project. Thank you. from the standpoint of the AstroTurf roof, I just, I think that's a I don't think that that really is something that I'm willing to move forward. It does not represent Thank you. to me what a green roof really is. It's not about what color you paint it or what color you know roofing tile. I mean the green roof was really meant to be a living roof. It is it is a inherent fire suppression It is environmentally friendly and sensitive, and it's something that a number of neighbors have to look at and that we have heard from in this commission And part of what they wanted to see as well. And so I really don't think that is something that I could make any sort of finding on at this point. the issue regarding Any protections on the tree must be a condition of approval. the issue of anything that DPW can help us understand in terms of any protections on that culvert, because some of those are old and I don't know if there's any vibration control or anything like that we can think about or how to protect that culvert. I want DPW to weigh in on that. So Cecilia, could you please help us with that? I also asked about certain conditions on the Klaus system, which I am extremely familiar with. And so I'd like to hear back from staff and our city attorney maybe more importantly about how that may be conditioned. So I'd like to hear, let's just pause there. Maybe Mary, you can help us with that. |
| 02:51:36.46 | Mary Wagner | Sure, thank you. Excuse me. Thank you, Chair, fellow members of the Commission. I did have an opportunity to work with Ms. Scoble, and we have a fairly simple condition to suggest, which is just that, The car parking vehicle lift, if that's the appropriate phrase for it, shall at all times be maintained in good operating order. In addition, when not being utilized, the car parking vehicle lift shall be kept in the down position to minimize view impacts. |
| 02:52:05.05 | Kristina Feller | Perfect. I like it. Thank you. Thank you for that. Appreciate that. You bet. Okay. Um, yeah. Let me allow the other commissioners just by raised hand or something. Anybody not in favor of that? Or yeah, Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 02:52:24.84 | Jeffery Luxenberg | No, I think that that's a good condition as well. |
| 02:52:28.74 | Kristina Feller | Okay, thank you, Vice Chair, Commissioner Luxenberg. COMMISSIONER GRAFF, YOU'RE GOOD. |
| 02:52:34.11 | Richard Graef | Yes, that's fine. I forgot to comment on the AstroTurf roof. when I was commenting. And I find it actually kind of humorous. I'm not sure. It is not by any stretch of imagination, a green roof. I'm a caller. Um, However, It does seem to be in some respects a reasonable solution for our roof. if they want AstroTurf on their roof fine. I can't. come up with a really strong objection to it other than it's just bogus. That's all. And if you want bogus, Bye. That's all. |
| 02:53:25.43 | Kristina Feller | Okay, thank you for that. And I guess just to close out a couple more comments, See. I really appreciated Commissioner Graff your comments on, I'll call it the rear building I don't know why the design changed on that because we actually I don't know why. We are going to continue in these in this cycle if it's not a process of elimination of what these comments are. I mean, when a new design like that is put in front of us, it's you're kind of starting over and we don't like continuing hearings any more than applicants like. Hearings continued. But, you know, if we cannot make the findings and if we can't work towards the common goal of closing these out, these comments out, and then bringing in new issues like that, I just don't think that that's really the way to bring this to... to any kind of approval or flat out denial. It's not a good practice. So even though we are not taking any action this evening I think the burden goes back to you, Cecilia, again. I mean, we can continue this to a date certain because of a procedural manner. But Thank you. There's a lot of work to do here. I think you've heard from all four of us this evening some pretty consistent comments and I think there have been some pretty consistent comments from from the neighbors. that some of the issues about views are being resolved. And certainly the photo montages are very helpful but let's make sure that when we come back, we have that without the fig tree. in the way of the story polls. untrained eyes that aren't sitting here on the commission also have an opportunity to understand what they're looking at I think that's important to us as well. And working collaboratively with neighbors is always very important to us. So any other final thoughts or comments from many of the commissioners. Yes, Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 02:55:45.69 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I just want to concur with Commissioner Graff's comments about the design of the study on the front of the property, because I agree that that needs some work and could be better and was better before. So I think that some of that needs to be rethought and it can be more attractive and needs to be more attractive. And I also concur with this whole deal that the green, artificial turf is not a green roof, whether it's a useful thing for a roof, that's a whole different story, but people should not call it a green roof. And if they, and they should get a landscape plan that includes if there's landscape on the roof, on the landscape plan. So again, going back to the drawings needed. updated so or consistent so thank you chair for all |
| 02:56:37.11 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, appreciate that. Commissioner Graff, do you have any further comments at this time? |
| 02:56:43.64 | Richard Graef | Um, no, are we going to have an opportunity to hear from the applicant of response to some of our comments here. Is that happening next? |
| 02:56:55.60 | Kristina Feller | Well, we have to continue this anyway, so. Um, they've they've used up their time um for their their portion and |
| 02:57:04.97 | Unknown | I know. |
| 02:57:06.56 | Kristina Feller | effort to be fair to everybody. I think this deliberation is what we're talking about because we're not approving or further conditioning anything quite yet we're just asking or voicing what we would be looking for, but we're not actually taking an action. |
| 02:57:25.57 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Now, I understand. I just to jump in on the issue on that, we're gonna talk about what date and the applicant's ability to address what we talked about from a drawing point of view is a date issue. So it is sort of an issue for what date we think. |
| 02:57:29.88 | Kristina Feller | Hold on. |
| 02:57:49.01 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Let me just ask Vice Chair Junius, do you have any further comments before we get to that point, Commissioner Luxembourg? |
| 02:57:58.34 | Andrew Junius | but I think Jeffrey's got a good point. We should make sure they're good enough time. There's a lot still on the table. |
| 02:58:03.26 | Kristina Feller | Yeah. Before we bring the applicant back up here and ask that, Cecilia, I wanna make sure that you and Heidi have made note of the comments, made note of our proposed conditions and you're on the same page. Oh, yeah. |
| 02:58:24.32 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Yes, Chair, I would love to run through them with you very quickly, just to be sure I didn't miss anything. |
| 02:58:31.45 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:58:31.56 | Kristina Feller | Absolutely, yes. |
| 02:58:33.06 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:58:33.43 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 02:58:33.46 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 02:58:33.75 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Yeah, we want to take a look at the condition on the class, the car lift. We will be checking with Public Works regarding what can be conditioned for the covert protection. We want to ensure that there's a tree protection condition of approval on there. we want to address the Are we saying we do not want an artificial roof? |
| 02:59:02.17 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, we are not, we are seeing no astroturf. If a green roof means not a color, but an actual... green living roof. |
| 02:59:11.11 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Okay. Um The fig tree needs to be trimmed substantially in order to get a better look at the story poles and the flags. um, Let's see. We need to definitely address the clarification of the height of the structure. Ah, let's see. And then there was some concern about the design at the front not being as good as the previous proposal. Is that something that we needed to look at again? |
| 02:59:49.00 | Richard Graef | I think so. |
| 02:59:51.20 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, I think, I think, and Commissioner Lefsenberg and Graff both confirmed, like we're talking about the study and then part of that we're building going in that that is a different different design in this I think what we're talking about with the study is sort of this wavy arched roof and all of that. Please add to it commissioners graph in Luxembourg |
| 03:00:18.97 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I don't think this is part of the conditions. I think they need to update the drawings and understand what we're asking and come back with something. So that's not, I don't want to leave it to a condition. It has to be a change in the drawing. |
| 03:00:26.42 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:00:33.73 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | Okay, great. And so that brings me to the last, pointing to which would be, All of the plans need to be consistent. and up-to-date. |
| 03:00:44.16 | Kristina Feller | Yes, we need one comprehensive correct set of documents. And should there be any 3D modeling or anything like that? included, which is always helpful, which is great. Um, It needs to match the drawings. We have to understand exactly which project is in front of us and we are approving. And tonight is again, for the third time, unclear. |
| 03:01:14.11 | Cecilia Jaroslavsky | AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. |
| 03:01:15.88 | Jeffery Luxenberg | And quite honestly, whatever they give you, send to us, even if it's, I know it takes up a lot of room on the servers or whatever, but in this particular case, don't edit it down because we need to see whatever they want to show us and put the onus on them to make them consistent. |
| 03:01:38.83 | Kristina Feller | Okay. so I have a count of eight items there. |
| 03:01:47.63 | Unknown | Correct. |
| 03:01:48.62 | Kristina Feller | Okay, any other comments, whether it's a condition or just a comment from from any member of the commission. |
| 03:01:58.14 | Andrew Junius | I guess on the roof issue, I think we should be trying to give some more direction. either do a regular roof and just show us a roof plan with penetrations and kind of a full blown real roof, regular roof, tiled roof, whatever other material. or a real green roof we're not going to approve an AstroTurf plastic AstroTurf roof. Is that where we're coming from? |
| 03:02:22.62 | Kristina Feller | So that's a good question. I mean, I'm definitely, I mean, personally saying no to an AstroTurf roof, that's just not reasonable. The issue of the green roof had been discussed in a lot of detail before, And this was something that one of the few positive things that a neighbor had said, yeah, because I've got to look down on this thing. and didn't wanna see the reflection of solar panels or anything like that. you know, this is a change, you know, in the third go-round. I don't, and I'm not really clear why, So I'm going to stick with a green living roof. whether that's succulent, there are tons of examples around here that the succulents don't fly away. or some kind of grass or sod that can be maintained as green, as in alive and not dead, that is what I would be looking at. |
| 03:03:23.76 | Andrew Junius | THANK YOU. And I agree. |
| 03:03:26.99 | Kristina Feller | OK. Okay, so we're still on those. Eight items. Let's go ahead and if there's no additions to that, let's ask the applicant to come back up on screen. they've had a chance to hear the comments and hear some of the potential that we |
| 03:03:52.43 | Maria Miranda | Can I comment about the rules? |
| 03:03:53.29 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:03:53.31 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:03:54.09 | Unknown | I appreciate it. |
| 03:03:54.88 | Mary Wagner | Thank you. |
| 03:03:55.64 | Unknown | yourself. |
| 03:03:55.94 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 03:03:56.13 | Tim Rempel | Thank you. |
| 03:03:57.67 | Kristina Feller | I'm sorry, but that we were going to put on this So the question that we have for you is the continuation. of this and how much time You would need... to prepare what we're looking for. |
| 03:04:18.30 | Tim Rempel | Let me address this. We've been doing this now for almost 33 months, a long time. I have a complicated site here. I don't know who of you have drafting experience. It's extremely difficult to work with this site. and work with all the levels. I have apart from the cover sheet, which is an image, Everything is consistent. I don't need to redraft it and I won't redraft it. The design issue of the green roof will go to a conventional roof. or AstroTurf, we won't do a green roof. My wife doesn't want to have it. So it's not your design decision, it's ours. So we go to a conventional roof instead. If you're not going to approve a AstroTurf roof, we'll go to a conventional flat roof. regarding the culvert condition. fixing the cover sheet. |
| 03:05:00.56 | Kristina Feller | So Mr. Rambo, we're asking about a date, about how much time- |
| 03:05:04.42 | Tim Rempel | We'd like to meet on the 20th of April. |
| 03:05:06.50 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 03:05:06.92 | Tim Rempel | We'd like to be continued to the 20th of April. And I, by that point, I can change the image on the front of the plan And I can remove the ask return and some other items to be consistent with what you're requesting with these eight items. |
| 03:05:14.99 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 03:05:15.04 | Kristina Feller | AS A MOTHER OF THEM. |
| 03:05:16.64 | Unknown | and it's a good thing. |
| 03:05:22.23 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Thank you very much. |
| 03:05:22.28 | Tim Rempel | So we'll say April 25th. |
| 03:05:24.96 | Kristina Feller | Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, so I'm ready to hear a motion to continue this item to a date certain of April 20th, if someone would like to make that. |
| 03:05:36.77 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Can I ask a question of them before that? When will you be able to get the fig tree trimmed? Because that's a critical item and us for us to review prior to the whatever date it is when will that when can you get that |
| 03:05:50.91 | Maria Miranda | I don't know. I'll take it. spot. I mean, we can ourselves go and hack that, but it's... I think typically, what is it? You have 14, how many, what is today? Today's the Today is the fourth and the sixth. And the 20th is 14 days. We will try to get it done in the next... |
| 03:06:06.88 | Adam East | And then |
| 03:06:10.96 | Maria Miranda | Two days. Three days, but you have to ask. We have to get it scheduled. |
| 03:06:11.03 | Tim Rempel | Two days. |
| 03:06:14.44 | Maria Miranda | to have it trimmed. I mean, we ourselves can just go up there and hack it up. |
| 03:06:17.02 | Tim Rempel | That's what we're going to, we're going to cut it. We're going to hack it up. I'll take care of it tomorrow. I'll get it out of there. You can't do it tomorrow. I will. I'll just cut it down. |
| 03:06:18.28 | Maria Miranda | We're just going to hack it up. get out of there you can't it'll get done i'm sorry he's a little he's a little thank you it'll get addressed it'll get addressed in the next couple of days commissioner |
| 03:06:23.13 | Kristina Feller | Bye. Thank you. It'll get addressed. |
| 03:06:30.53 | Kristina Feller | Great. Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:06:36.22 | Kristina Feller | Okay. So we're back to a motion. |
| 03:06:40.19 | Andrew Junius | Move to continue as a Thank you. noted to the 20th. |
| 03:06:45.22 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Second. |
| 03:06:46.30 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 03:06:46.35 | Kristina Feller | All right. |
| 03:06:46.74 | Heidi | Thank you. Mr. Grass. Yeah. Commissioner Luxembourg. |
| 03:06:51.78 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 03:06:52.52 | Heidi | Vice Chair Junius. |
| 03:06:53.74 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yes. |
| 03:06:54.31 | Heidi | Chair Feller. |
| 03:06:55.24 | Kristina Feller | Yes. |
| 03:06:56.32 | Heidi | Motion passes. |
| 03:06:57.89 | Kristina Feller | Great. Thank you very much. Okay, moving on to item seven, we have future agenda items. Yes, thank you. |
| 03:07:07.20 | Patrick and Martina | you |
| 03:07:08.25 | Kristina Feller | I'm sorry. |
| 03:07:08.37 | Heidi | Sorry. |
| 03:07:09.04 | Kristina Feller | I'm going to give this over to you, Heidi. This is a new one. |
| 03:07:13.11 | Heidi | Yeah. So, Based on my experience recently with the planning commission, and during agenda setting, I thought it would be very helpful to identify the projects that we have teed up that are ready to go. So this is a new item, but I just wanted to, you know, make you aware of what we have on the docket. and moving forward um I just found out regarding the Valhalla project that we are going to be adding that to the May 4th agenda so in it with the agenda setting we'll be working with you but if you have any questions regarding the items I'm happy to to talk to you about them |
| 03:07:52.11 | Mr. Tran | What are they? |
| 03:07:52.36 | Heidi | All right. |
| 03:07:52.40 | Kristina Feller | It's so fun. Yeah. Okay. but I'm just a break. Thank you. |
| 03:07:56.36 | Heidi | Commissioner Green. Yeah, if you'd like, I can share my screen. |
| 03:08:02.23 | Andrew Junius | I'm sorry, yeah, it is on the calendar, Heidi. We're the ones that are slow. |
| 03:08:10.54 | Heidi | Yeah, and you know what? I'll just quickly share my screen. Can everybody see this? |
| 03:08:14.84 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 03:08:14.87 | Unknown | there. |
| 03:08:15.02 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 03:08:15.14 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:08:15.16 | Heidi | Thank you. Okay, so these are the items that we have tentatively scheduled for the April 20th meeting. This was done before we identified or are noticing glitches. So we will be moving some of these around slightly, but we definitely have 430 B street that is scheduled and 52 and 62 Varda landing. We'll be having the 209 West street and the 110 four street project coming forward. |
| 03:08:16.24 | Unknown | So, |
| 03:08:41.72 | Heidi | for May 4th. We are going or have it tentatively scheduled for the planning commission to review the ferry landing project that's being sponsored by the Department of Public Works. And we'll have the Valhalla project. We have a project at 253 Glen, which is changes to an approved project. And we will tentatively have 177 CAS now on that agenda as well. And then we just have another list of projects that are teed up as well. And we did have 16 Second Street, which is a variance request that has been scheduled in the applicant, requested it to be removed. However, pursuant to the Permit Streamlining Act, we may need to put that on either the April 20th or May 4th agenda as well, unless we get a 90-day extension from that property owner. |
| 03:09:35.98 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 03:09:36.13 | Kristina Feller | Great. Thank you. I know that, yes, Commissioner Luxenberg, you had a question. |
| 03:09:41.78 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Well, one, I want to thank Heidi for doing this, because this particular spreadsheet is extremely helpful. I think this is a great thing. I want to note that we also continued SB9 to May 4th. So we have that on that agenda. So we have five items on that agenda and appears five items on the 20th agenda. So we'll need to be very efficient in our time, I guess. |
| 03:10:06.18 | Heidi | Yeah, and this is also a good tool. If the planning commission finds that there's too much, then we may need to potentially schedule a special meeting as well. Unfortunately, we had a little log jam for a few months and now we're just trying to move things along. |
| 03:10:23.14 | Kristina Feller | I THINK IT'S NOT A Vice Chair Junius, you had a question as well. |
| 03:10:27.12 | Andrew Junius | Yeah, thank you, Heidi. This is extraordinarily helpful. Does this, these two, dates and the list below constitute kind of the bulk of the near-term stuff we're going to be dealing with you know in the next four to five months |
| 03:10:42.12 | Heidi | That is correct, yeah. And in fact, because of all of our permit streamlining act, kind of logger jam right now. This is basically gonna be our next two and a half months everybody. And things have slowed down a little bit, but we do have some pre-ops for wireless telecommunications facilities that has a short timeframe. And we may have some ADU applications that the planning commission may be reviewing as well, that also have short timeframes. And then just another thing, that the planning commission may be aware of there's two housing projects both are hha projects ones at 12 15 bridgeway and that's the conversion of a it used to be multi-family building it was converted to an office building and it's being reconverted back to multi-family that's going to be coming back in in the next couple weeks And then we also have a project on Bridgeway between the 7-Eleven property and Napa Street. It has a history of a multifamily development project. And there's just a minor item that's incomplete and they're in process of trying to remedy that. So, |
| 03:11:55.60 | Andrew Junius | Do you have an address on that one, Heidi? |
| 03:11:55.67 | Heidi | I mean, Yeah, I believe it's 1714 Bridgeway. Yeah. THANK YOU. Yeah, so many apologies for this, but... |
| 03:12:09.13 | Kristina Feller | Thank you. |
| 03:12:11.68 | Heidi | We have a path moving forward. |
| 03:12:14.53 | Kristina Feller | So Heidi, I noticed that these are all really design review. Do we not have study sessions or are we not offering study sessions on I mean, not all of these require that, but some of them or at least one of them I'm looking at might. I'm just curious if that's an option |
| 03:12:34.51 | Heidi | Yeah, study sessions are options. And these currently aren't, no one's applied for them, but the city staff is working with the property owner of 300 Locust Street. And they're anxious to potentially develop that project in the near term. And I see that as being a very eligible project for a study session and staff will be encouraging that. We don't have a mandatory study session process, so it's really at the will of the applicant and our property owner. |
| 03:12:58.04 | Kristina Feller | MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF THE |
| 03:13:03.77 | Kristina Feller | Yeah, no, of course it's not mandatory, but it seems like you know, we're at about a 95% hit rate of good outcomes when we have, you know, some of these projects in as a study session. Um, you know, It's a very helpful tool and it certainly minimizes a lot of exposure to an applicant but still getting the value of the commission input so they have a very high probability of an approval particularly straight out of the chutes. So just wanted to put that out there. |
| 03:13:38.84 | Heidi | Yeah, definitely. So with our current staffing, we do encourage that as an option. And so whenever we meet with applicants, we are providing that as an opportunity. Unfortunately, some of these projects that we have teed up, they've been in process for two or less years. And so they're really projects that need to move forward and have action taken one way or another, but. |
| 03:14:05.65 | Kristina Feller | Right. |
| 03:14:05.92 | Heidi | Thank you. |
| 03:14:07.85 | Kristina Feller | Okay. And then the other thing I just wanted to ask, um, it's not necessarily as much for our agenda setting, but it impacts, Um, you know, sort of our, our potentially our pur, our purview. And that is this whole, Parklet program. that was put forth to for the city council to make a, you know, do something about and or make a motion to approve it or amended or change in ordinance. And so just curious if you know where that stands. |
| 03:14:43.00 | Heidi | Yeah, that stands currently just with out having staff move it forward, just because we're so stretched with everything that we're trying to do. As I stated earlier, we will be having consultants coming on board. And then once we just get, you know, two extra planners to help with this backlog, then that will free up other planners to carry forth these other projects that are just waiting. So, and with the parklets project, and we're so close to being able to have staff assigned to it. We didn't wanna bring in a consultant to carry it over the goal line. So we're just buying a couple city council meetings. And I know this is a really important item, but I think it's something that's better for staff to carry through. So I hope you understand. I'm so sorry about that. |
| 03:15:31.80 | Kristina Feller | No, no, of course, I mean, staff was really ultimately assigned it. We just, you know, if we get sort of parklets coming to the, planning commission that aren't part of a pre-approved then we just want to be ready ready that's all Yeah. |
| 03:15:47.38 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 03:15:47.39 | Patrick and Martina | Yeah. |
| 03:15:48.32 | Kristina Feller | So I appreciate it. Appreciate your effort on that. And then if I could ask that we have just a quick future, quick discussion business item about the request that we had been given to us, I think two months ago about priority funding that we would ask city council for. And there was a preliminary list that was circulated like to perform a master plan, to perform the parking study, I mean, all these things. are pretty critical tools to any planning commission regardless of which city And I think that we really need to respond back before they have their budget retreat. So can we try to get that on our agenda for the next time? I think it's a pretty quick business item to discuss. but we do need to respond. |
| 03:16:38.80 | Heidi | Yes, and thank you for that reminder that it is really important. And I know we're gonna have a pretty packed agenda, but this is really good timing because we're, as you said, we're getting close to preparing our budgets and it'd be great for the planning commission to represent projects. So I don't. |
| 03:16:56.38 | Kristina Feller | I don't mind if the commissioners individually send their ideas to you and then you put it together and we just agree on something off a list. But we just need to, we can't continue to kick the can down the road. |
| 03:17:10.33 | Heidi | Yeah, and just as a little antidote, the Economic Development Advisory Commission, our committee was really, they benefited by their committee actually coming up with a list and actually presenting those items to the city council for consideration the timing of it was such that they teed it up with the the budget process as well so I think there's a lot of power behind the planning commission when the planning commission can act as a united front and provide a recommendation for those requests. So if you'd like, I wouldn't mind, or I can volunteer being the receptacle of ideas, and then I can put those ideas on a spreadsheet and then agendize the item. And then if you wanted to go through the priority list or you could do that for the April 20th meeting, or you could do it more free form, just be, come prepared with ideas. And then in real time, we can list them down and then you can vote on them. Do you have a preference? |
| 03:18:08.38 | Kristina Feller | why don't we work on a one-way communication and reiterate what was issued before and then give, give options to everybody and just remind them. |
| 03:18:13.65 | Unknown | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 03:18:17.21 | Kristina Feller | can do that. |
| 03:18:21.58 | Kristina Feller | Okay. Any other thoughts or comments about future? Yes, Commissioner Graff. |
| 03:18:27.25 | Richard Graef | Two things. One... Heidi, thank you for the, future agenda item. I think it's great. to have a kind of a sense of what's coming down to fight. And the other is whoever fixed the screen sharing. format. Thank you, thank you. It was really kind of unwieldy before. It's been. you know, parts of it didn't show up and it really, wasn't working. But now it's nice and sharp and clear. There's a little vignette of a person giving the, so it's great. And thank you for that. It's much, much better. And that is it. |
| 03:19:14.85 | Kristina Feller | Hey. Okay. Well, if there's nothing more to discuss, I would like to make a motion to adjourn. All in favor. |
| 03:19:25.62 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Aye. |
| 03:19:25.77 | Kristina Feller | I remember. Thank you, everybody, for your hard work. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. |
| 03:19:29.62 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. Thank you. Bye. |
| 03:19:30.58 | Heidi | So yeah, I'm, |
| 03:19:31.27 | Andrew Junius | Bye. |
| 03:19:32.57 | Heidi | Have a good night, everybody. |
| 03:19:34.41 | Richard Graef | Thank you. |
| 03:19:34.43 | Andrew Junius | Okay. Thank you. |
| 03:19:35.44 | Heidi | May. |
| 03:19:35.73 | Andrew Junius | Amen. |
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