City Council Meeting - July 06, 2022

Meeting Summary

None

Chair Feller calls the meeting to order and the interim director provides the public advisory and takes roll call. Commissioners Saunders, Graff, and Luxenberg are present, establishing a quorum. The agenda is then presented for approval. ▶ 📄

APPROVAL OF AGENDA ▶ 📄

The Chair called for approval of the agenda. Commissioner Richard Graef moved to approve. ▶ 📄 A roll call vote was conducted, and all commissioners present voted in favor. ▶ 📄

Motion

Motion by Commissioner Richard Graef to approve the agenda, passed. ▶ 📄

PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS NOT ON THIS AGENDA ▶ 📄

Chair Feller opened the item at ▶ 📄. Director Horter explained the rules for public comment ▶ 📄: speakers are limited to three minutes, and the commission can only refer matters to staff or future agendas, not take action. Chair Feller then looked for raised hands ▶ 📄, noted that written comments had been received on South City Boulevard and the Liberty Ship project, but seeing no raised hands, closed public comment at ▶ 📄.

APPROVAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES ▶ 📄

Discussion focused on corrections to the joint meeting minutes. Commissioner Luxenberg identified edits: on page 3, line 50, 'the street' should be replaced with 'El Portel' ▶ 📄; on page 4, line 11, rephrasing of requirement for an inside floor plan ▶ 📄; and insertion of a resolution number once assigned ▶ 📄. Concern was raised about ensuring these conditions are reflected in the final resolution, not just the minutes ▶ 📄. The Chair directed staff to incorporate edits and coordinate with the city attorney on resolutions. The Commission then moved to approve the joint meeting minutes with the identified edits ▶ 📄. The motion carried unanimously ▶ 📄. The item also included approval of regular meeting minutes from June 15th (item 4B), which were introduced but not yet discussed ▶ 📄.

Motion

Motion to approve the joint meeting minutes with the edits identified by Commissioner Luxenberg. Motion made ▶ 📄, seconded, and passed by roll call vote: Osan - yes, Graff - yes, Luxenberg - yes, Junius - yes, Feller - yes ▶ 📄.

4.B

Regular Planning Commission meeting minutes of June 15th ▶ 📄

The Commission reviewed the minutes of the June 15th meeting. Commissioner Luxenberg noted a correction on line 33, page 4: the vote should be recorded as 5-0, and the resolution number needs to be inserted ▶ 📄. No other comments were made. Chair Feller called for a motion to approve with that amendment ▶ 📄.

Motion

Motion to approve the minutes with the amendment to line 33 on page 4. Moved by Commissioner Saad ▶ 📄. Roll call vote: Saad yes, Graff yes, Luxemburg yes, Junius yes, Feller yes. Motion passed 5-0 ▶ 📄.

COMMUNICATIONS ▶ 📄

Chair Kristina Feller welcomed new staff member Kaylee ▶ 📄. Director Horter had no further items ▶ 📄. Vice Chair Andrew Junius reported on the Objective Design and Development Standards subcommittee's slowdown due to consultant complications and the housing element, with a meeting planned soon ▶ 📄. He also updated on AB 2011, a housing bill moving through the legislature that could expand streamlining to non-residential districts ▶ 📄. Commissioner Nastassya Saad reported the HEAC meeting was postponed to July 26, with the draft housing element potentially released July 18, and encouraged public comments ▶ 📄. Commissioner Saad asked about Brown Act compliance for commissioners attending a community outreach workshop for the Liberty Ship development; the city attorney clarified a majority could attend if it's a noticed public meeting, but they should not comment to preserve impartiality ▶ 📄. Commissioner Graef, recused from the project, was informed he may participate as a member of the public ▶ 📄. Chair Feller highlighted a wildfire prevention presentation, requested updates on enforcement and design review statistics, and sought a HEAC consultant presentation before the August recess ▶ 📄. Commissioner Luxenberg provided details on parklet amendments being considered, including sewer fees and four-top table allowances ▶ 📄. Director Horter updated on 654 Sausalito Boulevard, confirming the applicant complied with arborist requirements and received a demolition permit ▶ 📄. No public comments were received.

PUBLIC HEARING ▶ 📄

Commissioners declared any ex parte communications. Commissioner Luxenberg disclosed that his home is located greater than 500 feet but less than 1,000 feet from the project at 201 Bridgeway, and that the applicant also owns 206 Second Street, which is within 500 feet of his home. He stated that he would recuse himself if discussion heads towards 206 Second Street. ▶ 📄 Other commissioners had no ex parte communications to declare. ▶ 📄 Chair Feller had nothing to declare. No public comments were made.

6.A

201 Bridgeway | Changes to an Approved Project | Project ID: 2022-00068 | APN: 065-242-06 and -17 ▶ 📄

Contract Planner Magda Gonzalez presented a request to amend Condition 27 of a previously approved project at 201 Bridgeway (the 'Bahaba' residence). The amendment would replace a required accessible ramp with stairs and amphitheater seating because the original ramp location is subject to daily tidal inundation, making it unsafe and impractical, and it would be built over a sanitary district force main, complicating repairs ▶ 📄. The Building Division determined that ADA beach access requirements are satisfied by the accessible access at Dunphy Park ▶ 📄. The applicant, Dr. Alex Kushef, explained the complex site constraints: major sewer lines, a 24-inch drainage pipe that cannot be touched, and a force main needing repair by the sanitary district ▶ 📄. The revised plan includes stairs, a guardrail, signage, and a relocated commemorative bench; the sanitary district will construct the amphitheater seating after completing its pipe repairs ▶ 📄. Commissioners discussed the loss of a ramp but acknowledged the engineering challenges and supported the revised design ▶ 📄. The project is categorically exempt from CEQA under guideline 15302.

Motion

Commissioner Saad moved to approve the changes to the approved project as presented. The motion was seconded and carried unanimously with a roll call vote (Luxenberg: yes, Junius: yes, Feller: yes) ▶ 📄.

Public Comment 1 1 In Favor

6.B

52 Varda Landing – Design Review Permit, Conditional Use Permit, and Variance | Project ID: 2019-00284 | APN: 063-010-15 ▶ 📄

Staff presentation by Cecilia Jaroslawski ▶ 📄 detailed the project: demolition of a 551 sq ft single-family residence, construction of a new 909 sq ft one-story home, relocation and renovation of a 125 sq ft A-frame studio, and demolition of a shed. The site is within a flood zone, and the proposed finished floor elevation is four feet above grade to meet FEMA requirements. The project includes floating foundations, checker block pavers with grass infill, a rain garden, and native plantings. The Historic Preservation Commission determined the property is not a historic resource. The Planning Commission previously reviewed the project in May 2022 and requested additional information, including flood model compliance, landscape details, and design rationale for height. The applicant returned with updated landscaping, pervious paving, and a sea level rise analysis. Commissioner Saad questioned the FAR calculation ▶ 📄, which staff clarified. Commissioner Luxenberg proposed condition amendments ▶ 📄 to tie demolition and building permits, list all plan dates, and remove a duplicate condition. The applicant presentation ▶ 📄 included design concept, sea level rise modeling using MarinMap GIS and BayWave data, and the adaptation strategy of a floating foundation. Engineer Sebastian Birch explained that the project is considered low risk and adaptable based on state guidance ▶ 📄. Discussion revealed the applicant had not coordinated with the Sausalito Sea Level Rise and Subsidence Task Force as previously requested, nor made design changes to color or form. Commissioners debated height, color, and sea level rise requirements. The commission ultimately approved with additional conditions: a working group for siding color, a requirement to submit a modeling report from the Sausalito task force prior to building permit issuance, tying demolition to building permit, and that any structural changes from the modeling must return to the commission.

Motion

At ▶ 📄, Commissioner Luxenberg moved to approve the Design Review Permit, Conditional Use Permit, and Variance for 52 Varda Landing Road with all staff-recommended conditions plus additional commission-imposed conditions: (1) a two-commissioner working group to finalize the siding color; (2) prior to building permit issuance, the applicant shall submit documentation of coordination with the Sausalito Sea Level Rise and Subsidence Task Force and the resulting modeling report; (3) the demolition permit shall not be issued prior to the building permit; (4) substituted trees must match the size and intent of the original landscape plan and be acceptable to Southern Marin Fire; (5) any modification to the project beyond color or specified plant substitutions shall return to the Planning Commission. The motion carried unanimously (4-0) at ▶ 📄.

ADJOURNMENT ▶ 📄

The meeting concluded with informal remarks and goodbyes from attendees. No formal adjournment motion was made or discussed. ▶ 📄 - ▶ 📄

Meeting Transcript

Time	Speaker	Text
00:00:05.57	Maria	Thank you.
00:00:05.58	Kristina Feller	OK.
00:00:07.03	Maria	THE END OF THE END OF THE
00:00:07.30	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:00:08.13	Maria	And I am laying public in.
00:00:10.38	Kristina Feller	Thank you, Maria.
00:00:11.86	Maria	Hand it over to you, Chair Feller.
00:00:13.95	Kristina Feller	Terrific. Thank you so much, Maria. Good evening everybody and welcome to the regular planning commission hearing for Wednesday July 6th. I'd like to call this meeting to order. and ask our interim director Dan Fortert to please provide our public advisory as well as our roll call.
00:00:32.63	Director Horter	Thank you, Jimmy. Good evening, Chair Feller on planning commissions. Commissioner, this meeting is being held pursuant to government code section 54953 subsection E. In light of the declared state of emergency, the regular plan The regular meeting of the Planning Commission on July 6th, 2022, will be conducted telephonically through Zoom and broadcast live on the city's website. With that, I will go call the order. Commissioner Saunders. here? Commissioner Graff. Sure. Commissioner Luxenberg.
00:01:06.89	Jeffery Luxenberg	here.
00:01:07.70	Director Horter	Vice Chair Junio.
00:01:09.35	Jeffery Luxenberg	THE END OF
00:01:09.71	Director Horter	Thank you. Chair Feller.
00:01:11.29	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:01:12.16	Director Horter	We have a quorum.
00:01:13.37	Kristina Feller	Great, thank you so much. The next item on our agenda is the approval of the agenda. Do I have any comment or a motion to approve?
00:01:24.36	Richard Graef	I'll move to approve.
00:01:25.94	Kristina Feller	Thank you, Richard. Thank you.
00:01:27.41	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:01:28.25	Kristina Feller	Thank you, Commissioner Saad. Thank you. Dan, could you call the roll, please?
00:01:32.00	Director Horter	I can, Commissioner Saad? Thank you.
00:01:33.86	Kristina Feller	Yeah.
00:01:34.11	Director Horter	Thank you. Commissioner Graff? Yeah. Commissioner Luxenberg?
00:01:37.97	Andrew Junius	Yeah.
00:01:38.72	Director Horter	Vice Chair Junius?
00:01:43.51	Andrew Junius	Yes.
00:01:43.96	Director Horter	Thank you. Oh, sorry. Chair Beller?
00:01:46.48	Kristina Feller	Yeah.
00:01:47.14	Director Horter	Motion carries.
00:01:48.30	Kristina Feller	Perfect, thank you so much. The next item on our agenda are public comments on items not on the agenda this evening. Um, Director Horter, would you like to orientate the public on how they could make public comment at this time? Yeah.
00:02:02.46	Director Horter	Thank you. This is the time for the planning commission to hear from citizens regarding matters that are not on the agenda. Except in very limited situations, state law precludes the planning commission from taking action on or engaging in discussions concerning items of business that are not on the agenda. However, the planning commission may refer matters not on the agenda to staff or direct the subject to the agendas in the future meetings. Video or audio public comment participation is limited to three minutes per speaker. If you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand in the Zoom application and you will be called upon when it's your time to speak. To raise your hand from your phone, press star nine. Each speaker will be notified when the time has elapsed.
00:02:51.23	Kristina Feller	Terrific, thank you so much. So at this time I am looking for raised hands in the audience. And while you are looking for your raised hand in your Zoom application or star nine on your phone, I want to... acknowledge that we have received in writing a number of public comment items, which includes several comments on South City Boulevard, as well as comment on the Liberty Ship project and study session. Anything else, Director Hortert, that I've missed that we've received?
00:03:28.44	Director Horter	No, Chair, that's it.
00:03:29.75	Kristina Feller	Okay, great. OK, I'm just looking for raised hands in the audience.
00:03:35.37	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:03:35.49	Unknown	Thank you.
00:03:37.40	Kristina Feller	Seeing none, I will close public comment and we'll move on to item number four, which is the approval of the planning commission minutes. There are two items here, 4A and 4B, so I'd like to take them one minute at a time. 4A is the June 15th Joint Historic Preservation Commission and Planning Commission meeting minutes. Do I have any comments or edits for these meeting minutes? Commissioner Luxenberg.
00:04:10.56	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you, Sheriff Beller. In line 50 on page 3, It said the eight seats to be removed, this is the El Portel project, were those closest to El Portel. So the words El Portel should replace the word the street, because it's on a corner and it's not. It was clear that it was El Portel. That was what we discussed in the motion. So the words El Portel should replace the street.
00:04:42.03	Director Horter	Chair Feller. Yes. Just to be... Just to be clear, I'm looking at the minutes right now. Can you tell me where that is again?
00:04:49.66	Jeffery Luxenberg	Line number 50 on page three.
00:04:56.25	Director Horter	Okay, at the very end.
00:04:58.63	Jeffery Luxenberg	Instead of the street, it should say Elfport County.
00:04:58.67	Director Horter	Yeah.
00:05:02.03	Director Horter	Okay.
00:05:03.68	Jeffery Luxenberg	In line 11 on page four, I had asked that an inside floor plan be provided to show adequate laboratory facilities for the total number of seats inside and out. So that statement should read as follows rather than what it's showing. It should read, an inside floor plan shall be provided that shows adequate laboratory facilities for the total number of seats both inside and out.
00:05:34.38	Richard Graef	Okay?
00:05:35.86	Jeffery Luxenberg	on page four, line 47, which is the vote for approval. Do you have a, Dan, do you have a resolution number for this yet?
00:05:48.11	Director Horter	No, I was getting resolutions ready tomorrow when I'm back in the office.
00:05:52.04	Jeffery Luxenberg	Okay, so since we, the typical protocol is put a footnote with the resolution number, and so I'm suggesting we do that, but I'm going to suggest that we continue this until the next meeting until you've updated the resolution with these corrections and we have that for the next meeting.
00:05:52.14	Director Horter	Thank you. .
00:06:11.08	Director Horter	Would you like the minutes to come back to the meeting then? Is that what you're saying? Yes, I'm suggesting that.
00:06:13.73	Jeffery Luxenberg	I'm suggesting the minutes come back and I'm also suggesting that we get a copy of the resolution so we can check it. Okay.
00:06:21.44	Kristina Feller	Okay. Excellent. Thank you, Commissioner Luxenberg, for that. I believe we've already directed staff to have our city attorney's review review. Um, QA, QC, all the resolutions before they're signed. So that's sort of a standing instruction in that regard. So that's a good question. to reflect what the public record is. So thank you for those comments that you have here. Do you have any other comments on these meetings?
00:06:53.98	Jeffery Luxenberg	On the joint, those are the only ones on the joint, yes. Thank you.
00:06:58.02	Mary Wagner	Thank you. Sure. Chair Feller, if I may. So yeah, Deputy City Attorney Mr. Sergio Rudin, I believe is working with the Community Development Director to review those resolutions as requested. And Mr. Horcher can correct me if I'm wrong. So are you still asking that we review the minutes to make sure that's an accurate statement of those changes and that they be brought back to you at your next meeting along with the resolutions?
00:07:23.78	Jeffery Luxenberg	I'm asking that those changes should have been part of the resolution so they be made, and I'm suggesting that we can't approve the meeting notes because we don't know the resolution number unless we can assign one this evening.
00:07:36.97	Mary Wagner	Well, that's pretty much an administrative function, Commissioner Luxenberg, Madam Chair. But if the Commission's practices now to see every resolution number in the minutes, we can certainly do that. But there is sequential, I believe, sequential, correct, Mr. Horchert? Yes.
00:07:37.01	Jeffery Luxenberg	So I'm saying...
00:07:52.04	Mary Wagner	Administrative commission.
00:07:52.07	Jeffery Luxenberg	Administrator.
00:07:52.78	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
00:07:53.83	Jeffery Luxenberg	Last, we established this policy like six months ago, and it was working fine, and somehow it got broken again. So the minutes came with the resolution numbers. The resolutions got posted so we could see them. I haven't seen a resolution in 2022. So I would like to, I'm assuming these corrections will be made to that resolution before it gets signed, and then if the resolution gets posted and there's a number, that's fine. Thank you. I'm assuming these corrections will be made to that resolution before it gets signed, and then if the resolution gets posted and there's a number, that's fine. If you can sign the number tonight, if you want to approve the minutes tonight, I'm okay with that, too.
00:08:28.85	Kristina Feller	So I just also wanna note that whoever the chair is, the acting chair does sign the meeting minutes. Of course, we have not received any in 2022. but those need to be completed before those are signed by the chair and put into the record anyway, and we can amend it at that point as well.
00:08:49.60	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:08:51.41	Kristina Feller	Yes.
00:08:52.01	Director Horter	Just yesterday, we went, we started the exercise of going through and finding out all the minutes that have not been approved or that have been approved
00:08:52.08	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:09:01.90	Director Horter	And they just haven't been assigned that haven't been signed over the past three years and there's a substantial amount. Thank you. So where staff is preparing that poll, tack is It goes from Lily to Jim to Heidi to me, there's a lot of people that need to sign it and we've got to figure out how to do that.
00:09:21.65	Kristina Feller	Okay. Well, why don't we discuss that offline and get back to the agenda item of the meeting minutes and it's your comments. Certainly needs to be discussed, and I appreciate your efforts in that regard. Commissioner Luxenberg, if you don't have any more comments on those notes, let me ask Commissioner Saad if you have any comments or edits for the notes.
00:09:43.06	Nastassya Saad	None for the notes, thank you.
00:09:44.63	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Commissioner Brown. Amen. Vice Chair Junius. Thank you. Okay. All right, so Dan, I wanna make sure that the comments that Commissioner Luxembourg has identified can be incorporated. into the final notes as it relates to the resolution I think that we can approve the content of the notes without the resolution at this time. just to expedite matters, but we did discuss previously that we wanna make sure that we have the resolution figured out before we sign these off, but let's get these moving at this time. HBC has to approve them as well. Thank you.
00:10:30.19	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:10:30.29	Kristina Feller	Okay.
00:10:30.92	Jeffery Luxenberg	So Chair, do I understand that those changes that I indicated will be part of the resolution itself beyond the number? You know what you intend for.
00:10:41.70	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
00:10:43.34	Kristina Feller	That is the intent, but yes, the answer is yes. The amendments and edits that you have identified will be incorporated.
00:10:47.17	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
00:10:47.19	Mary Wagner	Thank you.
00:10:51.69	Mary Wagner	they do. Yeah, and Chair Feller, members of the Commission, just to be clear, staff will go back and listen to the tape again, confirm that those And I'm not questioning you, Commissioner Luxembourg, but we will go back and listen to the tape and make sure that we've got it correct and bring it back if necessary.
00:11:08.72	Jeffery Luxenberg	I want to make sure I understand what you're saying, Ms. Battener. You're saying that you'll make sure that the... that the meeting notes are correct, you're gonna make sure that the resolution is correct. I'm more worried about the resolution, not really worried about the meeting notes.
00:11:24.55	Director Horter	I think I see now. What you're asking us to correct the resolution based on your comments from the minutes.
00:11:32.08	Andrew Junius	Yes, because that was part of the motion. Yes.
00:11:33.04	Director Horter	That was part of the...
00:11:35.67	Andrew Junius	That's the issue. I'm not worried about it.
00:11:36.14	Director Horter	Yeah, we have to add in the tables, the requirement for under the conditions, yes. Okay. Okay.
00:11:45.25	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:11:45.46	Unknown	Thank you.
00:11:45.68	Jeffery Luxenberg	The statements that I made to correct the meeting notes were the statements that were supposed to be in the resolution itself. So I want to make sure you're in the resolution. We tend to make these conditions and then somehow we don't get to the final resolution or something or whatever. So I never used to be worried about this, but in the last, between all the changes, the final things are not in the resolutions and they're not with the So I never used to be worried about this, but in the last, between all the changes, the final things are not in the resolutions and they're not recorded right. So that's why I wanna see them. If I thought they were gonna be right, I wouldn't ask. But it used to be, it was fine, but all of a sudden, this has been an issue. So I'm worried about the resolution. I'm not really worried about the resolution.
00:11:45.79	Director Horter	Bye.
00:11:45.93	Unknown	Thank you.
00:11:45.95	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:11:45.96	Unknown	Thank you.
00:11:46.20	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:12:30.07	Kristina Feller	So I'd like to entertain a motion to approve the meeting minutes with the edits identified. first and then separately we can direct staff Commissioner Luxenberg with once again with clarity about the resolution, but let's go ahead. Unless there's... Is there any more comment or edit for the meeting minutes? I'll entertain a motion to approve with edits as identified by Commissioner Luxenberg. Do I have a motion? I'll make a motion to approve with the edits as identified by Commissioner Luxenberg. I'm looking for a second or no.
00:13:08.16	Unknown	Thank you.
00:13:08.18	Director Horter	Thank you. Thank you.
00:13:09.36	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Dan, could you please take the roll call? Thank you. Mr. Osan.
00:13:14.12	Director Horter	Thank you. Yes. Commissioner Graff? Yeah. Commissioner Luxenberg.
00:13:21.34	Director Horter	Thank you. Vice Chair Juniors. Yes. Chair Feller?
00:13:27.06	Kristina Feller	Yes.
00:13:27.72	Director Horter	Motion carries.
00:13:28.85	Kristina Feller	Right.
00:13:29.03	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:13:29.64	Kristina Feller	And as mentioned, Director Horchert, we would like to direct you and CDD staff to please revise the actual resolutions. Please coordinate that with Sergio Ludo. And I may identify in working group that can work with you to help QA QC that to ensure that we are smooth sailing moving forward, but we'll get to that under communication and not now. but if you could kindly work with Sergio, that would be great. OK. All right, item 4B. These are the meeting minutes from the regular planning commission meeting minutes of June 15th. Commissioner Luxenberg, do you have any comments on these meeting minutes? Thank you.
00:14:15.61	Jeffery Luxenberg	Same comment on line 33 where the vote is. First of all, it should be 5-0, not 5-0, but I wanna make sure that the resolution number, when the final version is posted, has it. I'm not gonna recommend moving those to another meeting, but if we get that resolution number for that vote in as per protocol.
00:14:43.37	Kristina Feller	On line 33, Commissioner Luxenberg, which page are you?
00:14:47.00	Jeffery Luxenberg	I got to go back to the notes. I don't know. It's on page.
00:14:51.57	Kristina Feller	It's on page four. Yeah. I see where it's on. Let's confirm that with Commissioner Watson.
00:14:59.98	Jeffery Luxenberg	Yeah, I'm looking at that. Yes, that's on page four, yes.
00:15:01.68	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Okay, so Dan, if you don't mind making a note of that as well.
00:15:09.53	Jeffery Luxenberg	Noted.
00:15:09.98	Kristina Feller	Any other comments, Commissioner Luxenberg?
00:15:11.96	Jeffery Luxenberg	No, that is it for these meeting notes. Thank you, Chair Popov.
00:15:15.48	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Commissioner Brown.
00:15:18.18	Jeffery Luxenberg	No comment.
00:15:19.63	Kristina Feller	Okay, Mr. Saad. Thank you. And OK, Vice Chair Junius.
00:15:25.46	Andrew Junius	on him and
00:15:25.51	Kristina Feller	I'm in the I have none either. So with this one amendment, line 33 on page four, I will entertain a motion to approve.
00:15:35.26	Nastassya Saad	MOVED. My problem.
00:15:38.25	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Dan, could you take roll call?
00:15:41.61	Director Horter	Commissioner Saab? Yes. Commissioner Graff? Yeah. Commissioner Luxembourg?
00:15:47.46	Andrew Junius	Yes.
00:15:48.22	Director Horter	Vice Chair Junius?
00:15:49.77	Andrew Junius	Amen.
00:15:50.03	Director Horter	Thank you. Chair Feller? Thank you.
00:15:51.56	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:15:51.58	Director Horter	Yeah.
00:15:51.60	Kristina Feller	Yeah.
00:15:51.68	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:15:51.70	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:15:51.78	Director Horter	Thank you. MOTION PERIOD.
00:15:53.42	Kristina Feller	Great, thank you so much. Moving on to item number five on our agenda is communications. This is the time for reporting out. both by city staff and any of their consultants, as well as commissioners. So Director Horchert, let's start with you. If you could provide any updates or communications to the commission, please. Thank you.
00:16:18.58	Director Horter	I do.
00:16:18.80	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:16:18.90	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:16:18.95	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:16:18.97	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:16:19.03	Kristina Feller	Updates.
00:16:19.76	Director Horter	Thank you. So SB 9 was adopted on June, second reading was adopted on June 28th. The effective date for the ordinance will be July 28th. So we're still under the general guidance regulations. So we're coming up on June 28th or July 28th though. So it'll be, fully in control. As for the department, they have advertised for a community development director. It closes July 17th. Oh, my God. and we'll see what the pool of applicants are After that, I'm sure. and the department has hired and she is now on board, fully on board, Callie Ford, she's an associate planner. She comes from Mendocino County, AND, UM, UH, interviewed very well, very intelligent. and we'll be attending the meeting this Saturday for Liberty Ship. Um, as our planner in charge there.
00:17:30.03	Kristina Feller	Excellent news. We're looking forward to welcoming Kaylee to the team here. Thank you very much. As Vice Chair Junius and I discussed with this city manager, if there is anything any one of the commissioners can do or members of this commission to help, orientate any new staff or if we can meet any new staff and anything we can do to help with a soft landing. or assist with any projects that are currently still in review We're happy to do that. And we assume you will call upon us as needed to help a successful transition into salsa dough CBD.
00:18:15.56	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:18:16.82	Kristina Feller	And just as a clarification, this event that Director Horchert is referring to an applicant has called for a workshop, it's a public workshop. It is not sponsored by the commission. It is not sponsored by the city. but there is a community outreach that they are sponsoring I don't even know all the details of where it is, just not in front of me at the moment, but it's regarding the Liberty Ship proposed development. We have seen two study sessions in front of this commission on it, and they are looking to get public comment. It's a public outreach opportunity. So just to be clear about that, if anyone was asking. Any other items, Director Horter?
00:19:10.38	Director Horter	No, that's all I have tonight. Thank you.
00:19:12.69	Kristina Feller	And Mary, anything from the city attorney's office to report out on?
00:19:20.46	Mary Wagner	I don't believe so, Madam Chair. Thank you for the opportunity.
00:19:23.31	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Okay, let's move on then to subcommittees and working groups. Um, Vice Chair Junis, let's start with you with objective design and development standards and where we are with that subcommittee.
00:19:35.26	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
00:19:35.27	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:19:37.13	Andrew Junius	Thank you Chair Feller. We have had a bit of a slowdown. There's some complications. with our consultant Bob Brown and the Opticos folks, things are getting a little stuck. We do need to, I think, get some information out of the housing element. Uh, Thank you. process before we can REALLY UNDERSTAND how to bring this in for a landing. So I think you and I, Chair Feller, are working on that. Hopefully in the next, I think next week, we're gonna have a meeting, next subcommittee meeting on this and kind of break through the log jam. And hopefully by the next time we meet here at the planning commission, we'll have something more substantive too. But at this point, we're still kind of in a bit of old pattern.
00:20:18.74	Kristina Feller	Yes, thank you for that report out. And just to be clear, some of those objective design development standards that the county has adopted, those of the city and each of the cities within Southern Rim for sure are adopting their own to be specific to their city and their special and unique considerations. And part of what we're working on with Bob Brown, our consultant in OptiCoast, is also some of the density massing models and the and potentially unintended consequences of applying some of those standards so we can beta test and make sure that the direction that we are recommending for our city of Sausalito is viable. It's going to be beautiful, and it won't detract from everything that makes Sausalito so unique. So just so everyone's clear on what those are for. I'm not sure. Let's see, while I have you, do you want to talk a little bit about the California Housing Legislation Working Group that you and Commissioner Luxembourg are heading for us? Sure.
00:21:30.19	Andrew Junius	I'm not sure. I think the one piece of legislation out of Sacramento that we're going to be continues to see move forward is I mentioned this last time, it's AB 2011. It's Assemblywoman Buffy Wicks's uh, latest piece of legislation that would, I think it's an interesting, you know, moment in time for the the push for housing out of Sacramento because it will, move the focus from residential districts to pretty much almost every district that's gonna be opening up. retail office and parking districts to the types of streamlining that residential districts have been targeted for in the past. So it just last week moved out of the finance committee I think there's a lot of momentum behind it. There's a number of important labor groups across the state that are very supportive. And we're going to keep an eye on that. And I will be taking a look at it's an interesting piece of legislation because it's got some broad goals and some easy things to kind of understand at a high level. And then when you get into the details, it's really a complex issue. piece of work And I'll be taking a look and trying to, you know, I'm not sure how applicable it's gonna be to Sausalito, cause I'm not sure we have too many districts that don't allow housing, for example. But we'll be taking a close look at it. And as it looks like it's going to pass, we're going to really scrutinize it and get ready for trying to get the discussion going about our implementation of that AB 2011.
00:22:56.36	Kristina Feller	Excellent, thank you. Commissioner Luxenberg, do you have anything to add to that?
00:23:00.76	Jeffery Luxenberg	Not at this time, no thank you, sure.
00:23:03.85	Kristina Feller	I really appreciate both of you leading this effort and keeping it front and center for us. It affects everything we do on the commission. So we really need to keep tabs on it. No two better commissioners than both of you, so thank you. Um, Let's go ahead and move on to housing element. And Commissioner Saad, could you report out on where we are with that.
00:23:27.86	Nastassya Saad	Absolutely. Thank you, Chair Feller. So there was supposed to be a meeting for June 27th. It was postponed until July 26th, so our next HEAC meeting will be on the 26th at 6 p.m. This was in an effort to give our consultant some more time to prepare our housing element for review. I don't know if there is an update if the entire draft could be reviewed, but it was potential to have it released on the 18th. So staff may know more about that, but our July 26th, the intention for that next meeting will be to start to go through the housing element draft, and work in affirmative fair housing. The last city council meeting that regarded HIAC was 14th where they went site by site per neighborhood as we had done previously. So all of the sites that have been that made it through that council meeting. There were some amendments to some of the suggestions from HIAC are going into the environmental review as well. So we can still accept comments. They're still coming in. You can email the HIAC at saslito.gov. Um... AND I think... Anything to add, Chair Feller?
00:24:48.17	Kristina Feller	Well, I really appreciate all your hard work on this. It's a heavy lift for sure. I just want to remind everybody listening here on Zoom this evening and also perhaps at home or later when they look at the video of our hearing this evening that there is a virtual binder on the city website.
00:25:04.40	Maria	Thank you.
00:25:04.44	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Yeah.
00:25:04.72	Maria	you
00:25:06.48	Kristina Feller	And we have intentionally made all of the material that we're reviewing available to you as well. AND THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WE HAVE RECEIVED, THE IDEAS, THE FEEDBACK, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY where we are today on HIAC. So please, please, please keep it coming. I THINK THE SURVEYS AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION OF THAT ARE UP THERE AS WELL. And this environmental impact review period and development of that document, which is a fairly extensive document, will be starting shortly as soon as we finalize the sites that are in this draft report. So just want to make sure everybody is keeping tabs on it. It is a lot of work. It is a lot of reading. It's not always easy to keep up with all of it. And I say that for all of us, myself included, BUT PLEASE PAY ATTENTION, IT AFFECTS ALL OF and that those solutions need to be developed together. So please continue. to send in your comments or comment at our hearings. It's absolutely critical, so thank you. Okay. Anything else, Commissioner Saunders?
00:26:26.84	Nastassya Saad	I would like to ask a point of clarification from the public comments, specifically on the Liberty ship. well, not the agenda item, but the community outreach. I don't know if that is acceptable at this time to ask potentially city attorney. MARY WAGNER. I'm curious because it is on our agenda. We just discussed it as a public comment. Can the planning commission attend? Is there a violation of the Brown Act if we were to attend as an individual of As a resident, I just don't know if there are any concerns if more than two of us are at a public event of that nature. Could you clarify?
00:27:10.38	Mary Wagner	Sure. So there is an exception to the Brown Act that allows the, a majority or the full planning commission to attend a notice public meeting, that's held by another entity. And I will get chapter and verse for that for you guys and send it out to the commission via one way communication via email to ensure that this meeting fits within that exception. If it doesn't, then it would be a violation of the Brown Act for a majority of the planning commission to attend. I'd also just like to remind you that this will be coming back to you as an agenda item on your hearing and in order to protect the due process real property rights. It's important that the commission do attend, that you listen and ensure that you're able to provide an informed decision, non-biased decision, act as a non-biased decision maker when that project comes back before you. Okay.
00:28:06.79	Nastassya Saad	Thank you.
00:28:06.86	Mary Wagner	Yeah.
00:28:06.89	Nastassya Saad	I appreciate the clarification. And that's all from me, Chair Feller.
00:28:11.95	Kristina Feller	Thank you very much, Commissioner Saad. Yes, Commissioner Grau.
00:28:16.53	Richard Graef	Yeah, on the same subject. Thank you Commissioner South for bringing that up. Would the commissioners be able to participate and or comment during this event? or is there any issue with that?
00:28:39.81	Mary Wagner	If potentially Commissioner Graff, given that this item, this project will be coming to the commission at a notice of public hearing. it would be more appropriate, it would be appropriate for the Commission to make their comments at that time, not during this public forum. Thank you very much.
00:29:00.08	Kristina Feller	Commissioner Graff, to your question, just to make sure you're getting a clear answer. You are recused from, from from the hearing, from the commission hearings due to your proximity of your home. And maybe Mary, you can just clarify that in that case, can Commissioner Graff attend sort of as a member of the neighborhood, let's say, and comment? in that forum because he is recused from the actual public hearing
00:29:32.36	Mary Wagner	Yes, correct. Thank you for the reminder, Chair Feller. And if I misunderstood your question, Commissioner Graff, I apologize. You, yeah, you may participate as a member of the public.
00:29:40.63	Kristina Feller	AS A
00:29:41.04	Richard Graef	THE FAMILY.
00:29:41.27	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:29:45.02	Richard Graef	Okay, great. Thank you.
00:29:47.21	Kristina Feller	Great, thank you. I just, I had a couple, couple items. on my end as well. First of all, I wanted to thank once again, Southern Marin Fire District and Chief Hilliard and fire prevention specialists. MAKENNA ROMERO FOR BEING HERE LAST WEEK, LAST WEDNESDAY FOR OUR SPECIAL HEARINGS SPECIFIC TO all things related to forest fires, wildfire, and prevention here in our town. And I thought it was excellent. I learned a lot. It is available. online uh there's a link to the full presentation to the video as well as links to the PowerPoint presentation that they provided. And that is on the city's website under the planning commission under our previous agenda items under June 29th. and if anyone did not see or hear that particular hearing. I highly recommend that at your leisure, you go back and have a look, or at least flip through the PowerPoint. There's a lot of really good material there for readiness and also information and contact details on how you can get Southern Moon Fire to come out to your property to do a site assessment and to make sure that you have safe boundaries around your home And they will do that for free. They'll do that as service to our community. And I highly recommend everybody take advantage of such a great resource and tool. Um, This commission is on recessed in August. And so I wanted to mention a couple things and direct staff to please come back to us at our next planning commission hearing. which I believe is June 20th, excuse me, July 20th. just so we can close out a couple items before we take that recess and start back up in September in the fall. Um, THE FIRST IS I'D LIKE TO ASK, WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT PLANNING COMMISSION WORKING GROUPS. ONE FOR 110 FOURTH STREET. WE HAD, I BELIEVE THAT WAS YOU, COMMISSIONER GRAFF, and Commissioner Saad working together on just some final materials. I just wanna make sure if you can report back at our next hearing that you have indeed met with that applicant and if there's any outstanding items that need to be wrapped up on that, that would be helpful. The same goes for the Cultivar property down on Bridgeway and El Portal.
00:32:12.23	Maria	at our next.
00:32:31.27	Kristina Feller	I'm sorry. THEIR we have identified a working group to work with that applicant on some finished colors on their their outdoor dining covered area. So if you could just give a report back that would be really helpful. I'd also like to get some information, Director Hortert, from you for the benefit, not just of this commission, but for our community here. One is an update on the enforcement report. and any active enforcement items or anything that's been closed out, just what the status is would be really helpful. In addition, if you can pull just basic statistics on how many open design reviews we have, how many over-the-counter permits have been issued, just high-level basic statistics would be helpful since we're at half a year. And it would be good to report on that because we're not doing quarterly reporting anymore. And then I've also asked if our HEAC consultant can make a brief presentation to this commission and to the public, just as an update of where we are in the overall process and the schedule, because this commission does need to hear comments, ultimately approve or amend, or both what the recommended solutions are that will eventually go to state and also comment on the EIR. So even though Commissioner Saad and I keep everybody updated, I think it would be really worthwhile before we break. for August to get everybody's mind adjusted and orientated to what we will be expected to hear in the fall. So if Director Portrait, you can help arrange that, that would be very helpful. I'm thinking, you know, a 15-minute presentation could probably do the trick.
00:34:46.95	Kristina Feller	I inadvertently passed over carclets Sorry, commissioner Luxenberg, we passed over that. So let's quickly go back to that while we're here. Um, WE DID HOLD A PUBLIC OUTREACH ON, WAS IT JUNE 20? Monday, June 20th, as directed by City Council. There have been updates made to the documents. And at this point, I would like to get this closed out before we recessed in August. And I believe AT THIS POINT, COMMUNICATIONS HAVE GONE TO BOTH DIRECTOR HORTERT AND DIRECTOR REGOWN AT DPW. for your direction on closing this out and getting this back to the city council for their final approval or amendment or vote. So Director Horter Kinley Can we get this closed out?
00:35:42.57	Director Horter	Ali and I talked about it. So we're gonna do it, Ali and I, They're going to team up on it. But Ollie's been out. that's spread through his household.
00:35:52.35	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:35:52.47	Director Horter	As soon as he gets back, we'll be able to tackle that.
00:35:52.52	Kristina Feller	Bye.
00:35:56.44	Kristina Feller	Okay, great. And at least we should at least at a minimum give, you know, issue the final with a one-way communication to city council so they understand that we have taken their direction and incorporated everything. And we've gotten some wonderful feedback, by the way, from the community. And I will thank the community again for that, for being so. engaged. BUT, BUT, Let's get this closed out this month, if we can. And you can let us know otherwise. And any other items, Director Horchert, that we should report out on and get prepared for before we come back in September. Let's use this next commission hearing to make sure that we do that, which is pretty standard. to try to close out what we can and then come back fresh, clean, ready to roll in September. So those are really my Um, My comments at this time are my communications. yes Commissioner Luxenberg
00:36:56.39	Jeffery Luxenberg	I just want to comment on the park for Dan and Ali. Like we did the SB9, which was perfected, the working group came up with a recommendation. It went through first reading, second reading. So when you're putting this together, it can go over with how it gets implemented. Specifically, we're going to make these changes. They're going to adopt this and get rid of the emergency order. So that would be helpful. and then I just want to inform to the public we do a couple issues that did come out of the hearings that the important group is looking at both it was a sewer fee that was suggested and there was suggested being eliminated and that's being looked at as well as allowing four top tables if there was a wide enough sidewalk for both of those things are being looked at, as well as allowing four top tables if there was a wide enough sidewalk. So both of those things are being looked at, and I wanted the public to be aware that that's part of what's being looked at is the package that will go back. So thank you to your colleagues.
00:37:53.45	Kristina Feller	Thank you for adding that. That's helpful. Okay. with that, Director Portrait, I just have one last question for you. If you could report out on 654 Sausalito Boulevard. since there have been so many communications on this, and I know you've been doing some work, but if you could just orientate the commission and the public here, that would be helpful.
00:38:19.93	Director Horter	Good. Um, The applicant put down the deposit for the third party review I missed the, that they only reviewed one at first, then they came back and reviewed both of the previous arborist reports. SO WE CLEARED THAT UP. They put their full deposit down. And we have since issued them a, since the tree protection plan was completed, we issued them a demolition permit. to go ahead and proceed with demolition. One good thing, and I thought this was going to come up earlier, but it didn't come up in public comments. So I'm glad to say that the applicants have chosen to use Benjamin Anderson. THE ARBORIST RECOMMENDED BY by James Goodrum. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL help alleviate some of their concerns. I've also been sending Kenneth out there. He's been out there at least three times since last week. So he's double checking on everything to make sure that they're not proceeding without an arborist on site. SO FAR, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY WORK. It looks to be as if everything's gonna be per the arborist, the third party arborist report. And they did put the tree protection plan on the demolition permit as well. So it's on the plans that they submitted. So we're fully aware of that.
00:39:44.60	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Okay. Okay, so they're in compliance with our resolutions, which is good. So thank you, thank you for the update on that.
00:39:55.22	Director Horter	Yes.
00:39:57.82	Kristina Feller	Any other items to report out on, commissioners, just via a show of hands if you have anything to report out on at this time. Okay. Seeing no hands, let's go ahead and open up public comment for item number five, communications. this would be the time to comment on any items you've heard under for the public to comment on any items heard under Number five, communications. To do so, you can raise your hand in the Zoom application or press star nine on a cell phone. And I'm going to go ahead and call on individuals as I see them on my screen. So it might be lined up a little different on yours, but don't worry. I will get to everybody and you'll have three minutes for public comments. So I am just looking for raised hands at this time. I'll give everybody just a moment. I do see a cell phone that keeps putting their hand up or down. I'm not sure if they're interested in public comment. It's a 202 phone number. Just give you a moment for public comment. Okay. Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close public comment and let's move on to item number six, public hearing. and I'll hand this over to you, Director Horter.
00:41:12.89	Director Horter	All right, thank you, Chair Feller. This is time for any commissioners to declare any ex parte communications.
00:41:19.86	Kristina Feller	Commissioner Luxenberg.
00:41:21.62	Jeffery Luxenberg	uh... you don't have any expert communications i do want to make a comment of projects that say this evening is located two on one bridge street actually to one bridge bridgeway and the ramping question is that the foot of main street indicated on the site location in the staff report uh... pursuant to section one eight seven dot materiality standard i heard by disclosure my home is located Thank you. pursuant to section 18702.2 materiality standard I hereby disclose that my home is located greater than 500 feet but less than 1,000 feet from the project at 201 bridgeway on the agenda this evening this project would not affect my project's development potential income producing potential the highest and best use of my property and given the location of my property up the hill and off on a side street would not change the character of my property by substantially altering traffic levels intensity of use parking view privacy noise levels or air quality further would not affect the market value of my property thus any decisions on these projects are not material. I do note that the applicant appears to also own two O6. value of my property. Thus any decisions on these projects are not material. I do note that the applicant appears to also own 206 Second Street, which the plans indicate that there is no work planned for that. And obviously the main street and the main street is not related to the 206 Second Street. I do note that 206 Second Street is within 500 feet of my house. But since we're unlikely to talk about that, I don't see a materiality issue. But if the discussion heads towards 206 2nd Street, for any reason, I would accuse myself at that time. Thank you Chair Feltz.
00:43:02.33	Kristina Feller	Thank you, Commissioner Luxenberg. Commissioner Brown.
00:43:07.19	Richard Graef	No ex parte communication.
00:43:09.55	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Commissioner Saad?
00:43:11.27	Nastassya Saad	Nothing to declare.
00:43:12.62	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Vice Chair Junia.
00:43:14.90	Nastassya Saad	Anything to declare?
00:43:16.79	Kristina Feller	I have nothing to declare either. Thank you, Director Borchardt.
00:43:21.23	Director Horter	Thank you. With that, we'll move on to 6A. Item 6A is 201 Bridgeway changes to an approved project Magda Gonzalez, contract planner, will present.
00:43:33.41	Magda	Good evening, commissioners. Can I second to share my screen with you, please?
00:43:51.20	Magda	I am presenting a changes to an approved project request for 201 Bridgeway Boulevard. but it is 2022.00. 068. Some background information regarding this project It is a two minute home, commonly known as the Bahaba, which was reviewed, approved and conditioned One of the conditions of approval, specifically condition 27, requires a construction of an accessible ramp off the foot of Main Street.
00:44:26.08	Magda	The applicant and property owner, Dr. Kishef, is requesting to amend condition 27. to construct stairs in lieu of the previously approved rent. The picture to the right shows the current conditions of the site. The red markings show was crowning a proof. Thank you. Um,
00:44:53.21	Magda	There have been several accidents noted on this site because of the decomposing concrete when people attempt to access the beach from this particular area. This is another picture showing the existing site. The property is selling neighborhood commercial and it has a residential use. Um, because the sight conditions, High tide continuously hitting that area and the concerns for public safety the applicant has requested to amend condition 27.
00:45:33.01	Magda	The following pictures are pictures obtained from a report from the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission. which is a co-authority with regard to public access requirements. They did a visit on March 9th of this year. to address the impossibility of the ramp and also to address public concerns that they have received. The concrete is deteriorating. As I previously noted, those are red markings where the previous ramp was approved. And it gives you different angles. So you can see the access to the beach and how it currently looks. So the two main concerns are the accessibility ramp, which is is subjected to daily inundation and would fail to meet the intent, which is to provide public access in a safe manner to the beach. The second concern is that the ramp would be constructed over, um, of the Sanitaria District, which would be which would make it difficult to perform any repairs, maintenance, or to even replace the pipe.
00:46:51.15	Magda	who performed? DIFFERENT. We distributed this project to different agencies for review. One of them is previously mentioned is the San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission. THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE PROCESS. proposed project and have conditionally approved it and issued conditions of approval. The building division also reviewed it specifically for ADA compliance. There was concern stating regarding the requirement for ADA compliance at this speech. building and safety determined that it's not necessary to have beach access in this particular area because our requirement is satisfied with the access provided on dumping park. The scope of work includes He worked on Main Street, the boardwalk, resurfacing areas of the Bridgewood boardwalk. the public access to the end of the, of main street. AN APPLANTER. and public access signage. I do want to note that the applicant has updated his proposal and is no longer including the planter bed. because there are concerns that with the high tide, the plantar bed would just be inundated. And it's, instead of proposing a guard grant. This is the current most current site plan. It shows that, um, Let me change the picture, I apologize. This one shows the staircase, the amphitheater steps, the bench, which is gonna be pushed back south a few feet. the existing concrete wall, the existing guardrail, and the signage above the boardwalk as well. And as you can see the drainage on the existing storm drain would be free of the staircase. It would be left alone. So there wouldn't be any issues with the Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District.
00:49:00.74	Magda	This proposal is categorically exempt from the requirements of CEQA pursuant to guideline 15302, which is replacement or reconstruction. This proposal meets our review, design review findings, because a project's proposal changes, proposed changes will be located within the previously approved area, and the proposed changes will not impact the scale of the previously approved structures and buildings in the neighborhood.
00:49:29.05	Maria	Thank you.
00:49:29.15	Unknown	Thank you.
00:49:29.22	Maria	Thank you.
00:49:30.54	Magda	and the changes to the project proposal and it has enhanced public use. and the proposed changes will not result in prominent building profile because there is no proposed structures or construction building. Staff recommended the planning commission of adopt a resolution to approve the changes to approve projects. to allow for the modification of the previously approved design subject to conditions of approval. Ultimately, the Planning Commission may continue the hearing for additional information or project provisions. or direct staff to prepare a solution for denial, stating the specific reasons for one or more findings can help me. That concludes my presentation. The applicant, Dr. Alex Kushef, is on the line as well as his architect, um, Brian, I'm sorry. Mr. Peterson.
00:50:26.60	Kristina Feller	Great, thank you so much, Magda. If you don't mind, there we go. This would be the time for commissioners to ask staff anything of clarification We'll get into the debate later, but any items to get clarified at this time? Commissioner Saad, let's start with you.
00:50:43.71	Nastassya Saad	Thank you, Chair Feller. Thank you, Magda. I had a question and I'm reading from the I'm actually reading from the BCDC letter, but I'm wondering if you can speak on behalf of the city. On page four, it's saying, Number 1A, the city has indicated accessible beach access is not required at this site to fulfill an ADA title. Do you have any more clarification around that? AS TO HOW THAT CONCLUSION, OR THANK YOU, COMMUNITY DIRECTOR, FOR
00:51:17.96	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:51:18.03	Nastassya Saad	Anybody?
00:51:18.93	Director Horter	Thank you. I do, Madam Chair, if I may. I sat through a lot of the discussions between BCDC, the city, the Sausalito Marin utility district.
00:51:22.45	Nastassya Saad	Thank you.
00:51:31.28	Director Horter	And, um, And it was determined ultimately that the building official at the time, Thomas Ahern, And Kevin McGowan. and the team had discussions about accessibility and it couldn't be accomplished there because of the sewer districts force me. So nothing, it was either nothing because of the force main or the resulting steps in amphitheater with the bench and then they would... clean up where you saw the deteriorated concrete So it was determined also that we did just provide accessible access at WP. AND I THINK IT'S A for this area if they needed it. We looked at Edens Beach as well, but that's not very accessible.
00:52:16.43	Nastassya Saad	OK, so there's no implications for the city. Are there any concerns around liability for not having AN ADA RAMP AVAILABLE?
00:52:23.81	Director Horter	Yeah. because it was determined that we still provided it dumping part.
00:52:28.72	Nastassya Saad	got it. OK. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. And I think that's my only other question for staff. Thank you, Chair Feller.
00:52:37.39	Kristina Feller	OK, thank you very much. Commissioner Grass.
00:52:40.97	Richard Graef	No questions at this time.
00:52:43.86	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Mr. Luxenberg.
00:52:46.86	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you, Chair Feller. I just have one. You've seen the bench on the plan. You've seen this bench. Is this the existing bench that's on site?
00:52:57.64	Magda	You're going to push it back.
00:52:59.79	Jeffery Luxenberg	They're gonna push it, or they're gonna push it.
00:53:01.31	Magda	Yes.
00:53:02.34	Jeffery Luxenberg	They're gonna push it towards the towards the generator, but it seems like that bench is longer than what's shown in the plan. So have you looked at this and as far as the dimensions on the site there?
00:53:17.35	Magda	No, not of the specific bench. I know they're gonna be providing
00:53:19.57	Jeffery Luxenberg	Oh, my.
00:53:23.29	Magda	companion seating next to the bench. or close by, but I'm not sure of the dimensions of the bench.
00:53:30.55	Jeffery Luxenberg	You don't know if it's this existing bench that they're going to save or whether they're going to put a new bench.
00:53:36.49	Magda	I do not know.
00:53:37.81	Jeffery Luxenberg	I see it looks awfully tight to get the five feet to the thing. I guess I can ask that in the opposite. That's all I have to show fellow things.
00:53:46.77	Kristina Feller	Thank you. of estrogenase.
00:53:49.47	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
00:53:49.48	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you.
00:53:49.52	Andrew Junius	No questions. Thank you.
00:53:51.05	Kristina Feller	Okay, thank you. Um, I just wanted to go back to the comment about which building department determined that no ramp is required. Could you just repeat that again?
00:54:05.36	Director Horter	Council leader.
00:54:06.88	Kristina Feller	So CDD is building department and then DPW. to determine this.
00:54:14.07	Director Horter	through all our discussions. We had weekly meetings with BCDC and that's the resulting discussion of that. Apparently Thomas Ahern, the building official that was with the city, took it back to his cast, his at CSG where he was contracted out of. And they determined that because we had a local access, that would be sufficient.
00:54:39.38	Kristina Feller	Yeah, okay, I'm just curious because there's no access at this part of town, so this would have been it. So, okay. All right. And is there any idea, because of course this was already an approved project and permit had already been issued for this, about the timeframe required? to complete this work and um the secondary question to that is this solely in the scope of work for the applicant or is there any work that the sanitary district or the city has to perform either before or after in tandem
00:55:23.95	Director Horter	Yes. The Sanitary District has to perform some work and the applicant, I know the applicant's gonna be able to answer this as well.
00:55:26.03	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
00:55:32.08	Director Horter	So, but yes, the sanitary district has to do some work and the applicant has to do some work in order to take the time to
00:55:41.57	Kristina Feller	Okay, all right, thank you, thank you for that. Yes, Commissioner Brown.
00:55:47.17	Richard Graef	Yeah, I just looking at the drawings and want to comment it says New bench. So I don't know what that means, but maybe it means it's not the same bench. But the other question I had, well, now there are two questions. One of them is similar to yours, Chair Feller, and that is, why Country Park, so far away, satisfies the access requirement. That's sort of, I was wondering about that. And the other is the condition of the street, the approach to this. I mean, you know, there's effort being made here and there has been effort done to construct the boardwalk and everything and all that's really nice, but the street is really awful. And so I was wondering if dealing with the street has been considered as part of this project.
00:56:54.15	Richard Graef	That's like what?
00:56:54.70	Director Horter	Thank you.
00:56:55.01	Kristina Feller	Yep, that's a good question. Magda or Director of Horturt, do you have an answer for that?
00:56:59.83	Director Horter	I do, as far as I know, it is not part of the project. Oh, it's not.
00:57:07.18	Kristina Feller	Does DPW have it on their list? Maybe that's a question.
00:57:11.75	Director Horter	I know. I don't know. I don't know, that's definitely a Kevin question that I can ask him from office.
00:57:19.86	Kristina Feller	Mary, did you want to add anything to that?
00:57:21.80	Mary Wagner	I just wanted to clarify the scope of this discussion tonight, which is to, you know, agendize as that modification of condition of approval number 27.
00:57:31.47	Unknown	Yeah.
00:57:31.63	Mary Wagner	I hear the concern about the street. And maybe we can just provide you a one-way communication back on when we have a chance to talk to the community, excuse me, the Public Works Director.
00:57:43.74	Kristina Feller	Sure. Sure. Definitely. We can definitely do that. Be helpful. Okay, any other? questions, Commissioner, just by a show of hands from staff. We'll come back and deliberate after we take some public comment. Amen. Okay, no, all right. So let's go ahead and invite the applicant up here to our virtual meeting. virtual room here to make a presentation. MAGDA, IF YOU CAN HELP ME IDENTIFY WHO THAT MIGHT BE. OH, THERE'S... OKAY, THERE'S...
00:58:21.10	Magda	Dr. Alexander Koscheck.
00:58:23.86	Kristina Feller	Yes, welcome Dr. Kusheff. And will your architect also be presenting, is that Barry Peterson?
00:58:33.14	Unknown	Yeah.
00:58:33.86	Kristina Feller	Okay, can we make sure that they both have the ability to share screens should they need it? AND LET'S GET OUR TIMER UP FOR 15 MINUTES. So Dr. Kacheff, welcome this evening. YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO MAKE A PRESENTATION OR DISCUSS WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE IN TERMS OF THE MERIT OF THE PROJECT. timer up here on the screen. Hopefully you can see that and I will hand this over to you and please Please walk us through this.
00:59:05.67	Dr. Alex Kushef	Thank you, Chair Feller. Thank you, commissioners. We were before the planning commission quite a bit with this project a while back and I'm here to answer questions. I think this portion of the project speaks for itself. You know, eight years ago I was begging everyone that it's going to be so hard to build this. It's just such a massive puzzle at the end of Main Street all of Sausalito sewage runs under there. So it's basically a big sewer pump facility. And you could see what's going on with the other ones as they repair them. And I was asked to build an ABA ramp that goes down to the water that's underwater half the time. AND I THINK IT'S A LOT OF I agreed and as we started the process, the questions were raised very rapidly that the sanitation district needs access to this area. I think Kevin Rahman is with us tonight also if there's any questions for him. He's been very helpful as we've been trying to figure out this puzzle. Um, The best solution we came up with is the plan you have now. There is major lines under there. And so the shape of everything is due to those red lines that were drawn in the drawings is the, there used to be a stream that basically funneled all the water from Hurricane Gulch into the water and the old railers would come in uh uh doctor boats uh if you see those old boats pictures of Sausalito with the boats out in the bay they're actually getting water for the boats they would bring their barrels in and get water from that stream Now that stream is all under water, under the streets, and it's basically where all the drainage is. That was the 24 inch, that you saw in the big red line. So we cannot touch that at all. Secondary to that, there was a smaller red pipe you saw south of that. That's the connection to the 20 inch forespring that's brought around. And that's what Mr. Rahman with the sanitation district needs to repair. SO, To add to this puzzle, we have to sequence this so that they could get in there and repair as well. What we're proposing with the project is stairs down to the water for public use, for kayaks, for walking on the beach at low tide, and other things that people enjoy in the area. That will be built, and you asked about timing, that will be built as soon as I can. I really wanna finish this project. and get it completed. The second portion of the project will be done by the sanitation district with the amphitheater seating as soon as they had a chance to sequence their repair of the pipe, the southmost red line that was in the pictures, that connects to the forest main. My timeframe for this is to build the stairs and finish them as soon as we can. And then I know that Kevin wants to do his work fairly quickly too. Secondarily, we're limited by what time of year we can work because of the eelgrass. So, you know, more to the puzzle. So there's limits on the times of the year that we can work, and that's all set by Fish and Wildlife Water Board and BCBC. Um, The, I think we have a good proposed solution for this huge complicated puzzle at the end of Main Street. I hope you find it pleasing and find it usable. I will add some comments. The reason the bench was the, I could answer questions about the bench and the planter, real quickly and easily. The planter was removed because BCDC cannot support it because it is landfill within the bay. this was brought up by communication from the neighbors though a planter would probably look nice there with some succulents. I've stopped trying to fight over a planter. We're just going to cement over the drain and make it look a little prettier than it is now. the bench. is the same bench from my understanding because that bench actually has meaning to the sanitation district. And Kevin can talk on this. I think it's the former manager that ran the whole program or, you know, it's dedicated to a very special person. Um, And the reason it has to move to the south is because we need a ADA accessible viewing platform or a companion area next to the bench. And all of that should fit in there. That's all been measured by Barry. The scope of work question, I think I answered. I'll be doing the stairs and the guardrail, handrail and guardrail and signage. And Kevin Rahman and the sanitation district will do the amphitheater seating once and done the repairs on their pipe work underneath that whole area. Um, And then as far as the street, that whole area was repaved just three or four years ago. Um, there was massive work done in that conversation. Kevin can answer this, I think four to six years ago. So it was repaved at that point, it was brand new, You have to remember this is where all the sewage from Sausalito flows through. So that area is constantly dug up and reworked. There's been people working there on and off for the last two years. on a regular basis. So, and when they work there, it usually involves digging up, you know, massive trenches and things like that. That's, I don't think people realize what is going on there because it's all covered. I'm not sure. So that's what I have to add. I'm sorry I don't have a formal presentation, just a simple change of a ramp to stairs and amphitheater seating. And I'll let Barry contribute if he has anything to add to that or Kevin as well. Thank you very much.
01:04:58.88	Kristina Feller	Thank you, Dr. Kushev. Mr. Peterson, do you want to add anything to that? I think if we can unmute Barry, Peterson's iPad. There we go.
01:05:10.90	Barry Peterson	Yeah, I actually don't have anything to add. I think he's got it all. I mean, a lot of the things I scribbled down that needed to be addressed, Alex took care of it. So if there's any questions, I'll be here, the additional questions I'll be here.
01:05:22.41	Kristina Feller	Okay, terrific.
01:05:23.62	Barry Peterson	Thank you.
01:05:23.72	Unknown	Thank you.
01:05:24.48	Kristina Feller	And I don't see Kevin here, but why don't we go ahead and stop the clock. I note that you've got. nine minutes and nine seconds left so let's let's hold on to that number And Dr. Kishap, no worries that there's no formal presentation. It's your time to use however you'd like and obviously THIS ISN'T THE FULL DESIGN REVIEW, IT'S JUST AN AMENDMENT TO IT. SO IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE AT THIS TIME, LET'S GO AHEAD and open this up to the commissioners if they have any questions for the applicant at this time and then we'll move into public comment after that. For those of you who have your hands raised, see you and have not forgotten you. We're going to start with commissioners. Commissioner Saad, do you want to start us off?
01:06:10.97	Nastassya Saad	I actually don't have any questions for the applicant. Thank you, Chair Feller. Thank you.
01:06:17.05	Kristina Feller	Commissioner Graham.
01:06:19.32	Richard Graef	No other questions. All right.
01:06:21.84	Kristina Feller	Okay, Commissioner Luxenberg.
01:06:23.81	Jeffery Luxenberg	I think he answered the question about the bench because I did see the plaque. That's why I was wondering whether or not it would be saved. I do suggest you closely recheck the dimensions because it looked awfully tight to make that work. So I think that's the only question I have. Thank you.
01:06:41.57	Kristina Feller	Vice Chair Junius.
01:06:43.15	Andrew Junius	I THINK YOU, CHAIR HOLE.
01:06:45.58	Kristina Feller	I have no questions either. So with that, DR. KASHEFT, HOLD ON THERE. WE'RE GOING TO I'll go ahead and open this up for public comment. No need to respond. We're just going to go ahead and listen to any questions or comments the public might have. to do so to comment on this item please raise your hand in the Zoom application or press R9 on your cell phone. Each speaker will have three minutes for public comment. and I will go ahead and call on you in the order that I see you on my screen, which may be different than yours, but don't worry, I will get to everybody. The first caller I see is a phone number of 202- 294 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WELCOME THIS EVENING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF,
01:07:40.44	Kristina Feller	And if you could kindly state your name as well.
01:07:49.69	Kristina Feller	I'm looking at caller with a phone number starting with area code 202. If you can unmute yourself on your cell phone. And Maria, I don't know if you can assist on your end. our Zoom team. Okay. I'm gonna go ahead, area code 202, hold on, I'm gonna move on to area code 707. 4948446. Welcome this evening. If you could unmute yourself, please. We'll have three minutes for public comment.
01:08:30.17	Kristina Feller	There we go. Hello?
01:08:33.68	Kevin Rahman	AM I?
01:08:35.34	Kristina Feller	Am I coming through?
01:08:35.81	Kevin Rahman	Am I coming through now?
01:08:37.23	Kristina Feller	We can hear you if you could just state your name and you've got three minutes for public comment.
01:08:38.27	Kevin Rahman	just think. Yes, hello, this is Kevin Rahman. I'm the district engineer for the Pascale of Marin City Sanitary District. And I can clear up a couple of the, well, the bench issue not issue, but curious about that. That bench is a commemorative bench for Ray Gerges and he was on our board of directors for about 35 years. and that bench was specified by the city of South Carolina as part of their commemorative bench program. So the type and size of bench is actually specified by the scheme. as far as the streets, We regraded that when we did a project, as Dr. Kacheff mentioned several years ago, and we regraded it for drainage and completely repaved it. So although right now you see a project moving there to replace our generator, so it looks very cluttered and messy, but the street is actually in very good condition. As far as the construction of this amphitheater style, We have worked very closely with Dr. Vichef The plan would be, as you said, for me to build that with a project to rehabilitate our B-4th main And that project will be ready to construct within the next year as far as timing. If you have any other questions, I'm happy to answer them.
01:09:59.07	Kristina Feller	Great. Thank you, Kevin, and thank you for being here. Good to hear your voice, even though we don't see you tonight, but thank you for being here. and working so closely with the applicant. Okay, I am looking for a next caller. Again, if you would like to make public comment on this item this evening, please raise your hand in the Zoom application or press star 9 on your cell phone.
01:10:25.40	Kristina Feller	I am not seeing any additional hands raised at this time, so I'm gonna go ahead and close public comment. And Kevin, now that we know your number there, if you can just hold on in there. And if we need to unmute you again, we will. Um, So Dr. Kacheff, if you wanna use any more of those nine minutes and nine seconds that you would like with for any additional comments, of course the commissions probably might ask you a couple more questions through our deliberation, but if you'd like to add anything else, you're welcome to do so now.
01:10:59.25	Dr. Alex Kushef	I'd just like to thank you for your time and just share that the whole project is about a month away from being done. So I know the whole community has been patient. It's just, you know, this is one small puzzle and this big puzzle I've been trying to figure out over the last eight years. It's been very complicated and we've thrown a pandemic in the middle of it. But I just, you know, right now, even though that still looks like construction site, it's starting to look more and more like a home. And I think in about a month, there'll be grass there and it'll be totally done. And the front of the property will be completely landscaped and there'll be something to be proud of for the whole community, hopefully. Thank you.
01:11:38.97	Kristina Feller	Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, with that, let's bring this back up to our virtual dais for deliberations and a motion of some kind. Commissioner Luxenberg, let's start with you.
01:11:53.10	Jeffery Luxenberg	I think I understand why we need to do this. I would ask the question, but I'm sure it's been answered by all the engineers. If you can get a stairs in, you can get a ramp in, it would just take a long run going back into the street outside of where it would be now. But I do take an assumption that Dumpy Park does not solve a problem in this part of town. Dumpy Park is a Dumpy Park. It would be nice to have a ramp here. Whether we legally need one or not, it would be nice to have one. It's sounding like it's not doable. So this is a good solution, as the applicant said, a very complicated puzzle. But I do lament the loss of some sort of ramp down to the water. Thank you.
01:12:45.39	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Thank you for that. WOULD YOU AMEND OR EDIT ANY OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL
01:12:54.13	Jeffery Luxenberg	Not on this one.
01:12:55.70	Kristina Feller	Okay. Mr. Graff. How about Commissioner Graff?
01:13:01.02	Richard Graef	Thank you, Chair Feller. I concur with Commissioner Luxembourg. Basically, if we can't get a ramp there, and I understand why it's a real problem then I think this is a nice solution and I think the concept is good. um, Yeah, I would be inclined to move ahead with it.
01:13:28.39	Kristina Feller	Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Saad.
01:13:32.78	Nastassya Saad	I think this is quite a straightforward project. I was more wondering around the legality and the why. I personally, I swim there almost daily. It's a very limited space. Like, I see so few people there that I still think this is a great improvement to the area. um, So. I don't personally have an issue with the lack of ramp, given how limited the space has been used. But I can imagine more people use it if it's be more accessible and AND PRETTIER. SO I'VE GOT NO OTHER COMMENTS. I'D BE HAPPY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION WHENEVER WE'RE READY.
01:14:10.96	Kristina Feller	Thank you very much. Vice Chair Junius.
01:14:13.98	Andrew Junius	No questions, ready to vote.
01:14:15.94	Kristina Feller	Yep, I concur with that. I am happy to entertain a motion at this point. I'll make the motion.
01:14:24.28	Nastassya Saad	I'll make the motion, yes, I don't have my glasses to read, but I'd like to make a motion to approve as is. or I'm not sure. PROJECT OF 201 BRIDGEWAY BOULEVARD. DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO READ ALL THE project IDs. never made very many emotions, so I need to read the whole thing. You can't. You do not.
01:14:49.94	Unknown	Thank you.
01:14:49.96	Kristina Feller	No, no. Great. That is my motion. We've got a second. Dan, could you please take roll call?
01:14:50.06	Nastassya Saad	No, okay, great. That is my notion.
01:14:58.05	Director Horter	Thank you. Yeah.
01:14:59.63	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
01:14:59.68	Director Horter	with the
01:14:59.83	Kristina Feller	in their craft.
01:15:00.83	Director Horter	Thank you.
01:15:00.85	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
01:15:00.88	Director Horter	Yeah. Commissioner Luxembourg? Yes. Vice Chair Junius?
01:15:05.20	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
01:15:05.22	Director Horter	Yes. Chair Fowler?
01:15:07.18	Kristina Feller	Yes.
01:15:08.17	Director Horter	MOTION CARRIED.
01:15:09.84	Kristina Feller	Thank you, Dr. Kacheff. Good luck. We can't wait to see it built. And thank you, Kevin Rahman, again for your help. Okay, let's move on to item 6B, which is 52 Varda Landing. And Dan, I will hand this back over to you.
01:15:25.13	Director Horter	Thank you. 6B, 52 bar to landing, design review permit, conditional use permit, and a variance. Cecilia Jarosowski is the contract planner. will be presented.
01:15:39.81	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Good evening, Chair and Commissioner, Cecilia Jaroslawski, Contract Planner, presenting this item before you tonight. With your permission, I would like to share my screen. Thank you.
01:15:50.17	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
01:15:50.43	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Thank you. Can everyone see that?
01:15:54.05	Kristina Feller	We can.
01:15:55.18	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Thank you. the project. The project before you is 52 Bargall Landing Road,
01:16:05.68	Cecilia Jaroslawski	The area contains houseboats along the shoreline, large industrial commercial uses along gate five road and several residential structures. The immediate surrounding area also contains a variety of residential uses and The area includes several Boat Harbor access roads from gate five roads. The level site is approximately 550 feet deep and ranges in width between zero feet at the front and 65.5 feet at the widest location and comes to a point to the west of the site. The project includes the demolition of the existing 551 square foot single family structure located approximately 40 feet from the front of the property. New construction of a replacement residential structure, the renovation and slight rotation of the existing 125 square foot a-frame studio structure and the demolition of the existing Thank you. 315 square foot shed. All existing structures or one story. The new detached single family structure would be located approximately 60 feet from the front of the property and would be 21 feet wide by 50 feet, five inches long. Outdoor tandem parking would be located in front of the proposed structure on a 15 foot wide by 60 foot deep gravel driveway. The main pedestrian entrance would be located along the Southeast Wall and would incorporate a seven foot six inch wide, 49 square foot entry deck area. The existing 125 square foot A-frame studio structure would be relocated to the parallel and 10 foot 2 inches from the side property line.
01:17:52.82	Cecilia Jaroslawski	The Historic Preservation Commission reviewed the project in January and August of 2021, where it was determined that the property does not qualify as a historic resource. The planning commission reviewed the project on May 18, 2022, where it was determined additional information was needed to more accurately review the project. including demonstrate compliance with the city's GIS flood model, an updated landscape plan to show specific and drought tolerant materials, finalized gravel area material, preferably permeable and not loose. Residents designed to speak more to the style of the area and address the need for the proposed height.
01:18:38.62	Cecilia Jaroslawski	The model data utilized by the project engineers relates to the MarinMap GIS and BayWave data sets. and stormwater management would be achieved using onsite swales and rain gardens. The proposed parking area would be raised slightly to allow drainage to the west and there would be no negative impact to adjacent properties to the west.
01:19:03.43	Cecilia Jaroslawski	The applicant submitted landscape plans proposing approximately 8,000 square feet of native plant material, all planted at 18 intervals. approximately 770 square feet of plant material would be installed within the rain garden area also all planted at 18 inch intervals. All proposed plant materials are dropped. How long? Paving includes checkerboard pavers with plant material floods and true grid pro light paving with Delta bluegrass sod. The project does not include any gravel installation and pavers with plant material in between with the unit. Pervious area totals approximately over 8,000 square feet.
01:19:43.45	Maria	THE FAMILY.
01:19:53.24	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Although the area includes houseboat residences, the area also includes a variety of other land uses, the majority of which are located within land-based Therefore, the neighborhood includes a variety of architectural styles. The proposed structures on the project site are land based and would maintain the prevailing design character of the neighborhood.
01:20:16.54	Cecilia Jaroslawski	proposed architecture and design complements and speaks to the surrounding neighborhood by maintaining the prevailing design character of the neighborhood as well as introducing a distinctive and creative design solution which takes advantage of the unique characteristics of the site. Regarding the need for additional height, the project site is located within a flood area. and the higher finished floor levels are requirements of FEMA. The finished floor levels would be approximately four feet above the natural grade of the project site. Several structures on Varda Landing Road contain two levels and the proposed structures would be one story would not exceed the maximum allowable height, and are consistent with the height of the structures within the project area. The updated information would not alter the findings required for the approval of a design review, conditional use and variance permits. And for planning commission comments, a condition of approval has been added, ensuring the A-frame structure on site will be maintained as a studio and not utilized as a residence. I believe that's condition of approval number four.
01:21:26.57	Cecilia Jaroslawski	I recommend the planning commission approve the draft resolution approving the design review permit conditional use permit and variance. Alternatively, the Commission may continue the hearing for additional information or deny the permits. and direct staff to return with a resolution of denial. Thank you, I'm available for questions. The architect and also project engineer is.
01:21:48.98	Kristina Feller	Terrific. Thank you so much, Cecilia, for walking us through that and highlighting some of the comments from our last hearing as well, and that hopefully the applicant can walk us through the specifics of that. design. So this would be the time for commissioners to ask staff any questions for clarification. Commissioner Graff, do you want to start us off?
01:22:13.62	Richard Graef	I don't have any questions for staff. Thank you.
01:22:19.24	Kristina Feller	Okay, thank you.
01:22:22.77	Nastassya Saad	I have one clarification and it does involve a little math. And I'm sorry I couldn't send it ahead of time, Cecilia. But bear with me for just a second. I just mostly want to make sure I'm reading this correctly. And then secondly, that the numbers are correct. I'm gonna put that I may be incorrect here, but I'm looking at page five down at the zoning consistency in the staff report. AND SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO. It's got the 2,646 square feet. There is an addendum on that that is calling out that it's including the 1,700 square foot houseboat, which is not part of the project. Is that being calculated? Is that maximum floor area ratio being calculated on the on the new building, since it's proposed, I saw in the staff report it was 909 square feet. And the A-frame is going up to 133 plus the 1700. CAN YOU JUST BREAK OUT THAT 26? 46 square feet for me because I'm just coming up with a slightly different IT'S NOT OFF BY MUCH, BUT I CAME UP WITH 2700, 2742. Um, I'm happy to share my own screen if it's easier, I'm not sure if...
01:23:54.15	Kristina Feller	Okay, yeah, this is a good question. Cecilia, can you walk us through the calculations?
01:23:59.92	Cecilia Jaroslawski	The calculation would have included the proposed structures on the property and the existing houseboat.
01:24:09.05	Nastassya Saad	Okay, so... and then you confirm and we can back this out, I'm sorry because I'm on one screen here, so it's hard to jump around. So from the staff report, do I have it correct then that the new construction, we are moving to a 909... square foot building. I'm reading this in the project description up at the top on page two. So would that be the 909? Is that the proposed? build going up from the demolition from 551, replaced with 909. Is that correct for the main structure? Okay.
01:24:50.29	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay, so you're on page two of the original staff report,
01:24:53.12	Nastassya Saad	I am, and I'm on that second paragraph. The new replacement residential structure would be a one level 909 square foot building without an enclosed garage.
01:24:54.48	Cecilia Jaroslawski	that.
01:25:02.24	Cecilia Jaroslawski	All right.
01:25:02.57	Nastassya Saad	Correct. Okay. And then the existing A-frame is going from 125 up to 133. So I'm assuming we're taking that 133 as well. Correct. Okay. So the plus the 1700 square foot houseboat, I just, I had come up with 2742 and down again, back on page,
01:25:10.79	Unknown	Correct.
01:25:28.97	Nastassya Saad	FOR THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO. They're the same for the, what caught my eye was at the maximum floor area ratio and the maximum BUILDING COVERAGE. ARE THE SAME. are both 2,646 square feet, but they're also slightly different percentages. Oh, I see what you mean. Do you see? I think we need to change the floor area ratio from 2,646 square feet up to 2,000. It's still, I mean.
01:25:50.28	Cecilia Jaroslawski	I'll always see what you mean.
01:26:04.46	Nastassya Saad	COMPLIANCE WON'T CHANGE, IT WOULD STILL BE CORRECT, BUT
01:26:08.07	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Well, first thing I'm reading correctly.
01:26:08.76	Nastassya Saad	Am I reading correct?
01:26:10.26	Cecilia Jaroslawski	For single story structures, the floor area ratio and the maximum building coverage are the same thing because it's the footprint that covers the land. So if it were a two story building, it would be twice as much, but the building coverage would just be the amount of space that the building covers the land. Does that make sense?
01:26:31.83	Nastassya Saad	It does make sense. um, And we don't have to belabor this now. I can, maybe we can think about it. Is this? Is the math still correct in terms of 909 for the building, 133 for the A-frame, plus 1700 for the... houseboat.
01:26:53.29	Cecilia Jaroslawski	It should be correct, but I will certainly double check the numbers.
01:26:56.40	Nastassya Saad	OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. Sorry for a tedious question, but I think that was what stood out to me first. I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, CHAIR FELLER?
01:27:09.56	Kristina Feller	Great, thank you. And I'm assuming you're getting at, is it overbuilt? Is the FAR over what it should be? Is that ultimately trying to figure out?
01:27:17.64	Nastassya Saad	I- Ultimately, I think I was just trying to see if the math was correct, really, for the four area ratio. I don't see how such a small difference in square footage is going to change the compliance, but I want to make sure the number is accurate.
01:27:35.87	Kristina Feller	OKAY, THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT THAT DETAIL. I APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER LUXENBURG?
01:27:42.18	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you, Chair Fowler. First of all, I want to thank the fact that they've changed to these checker block pavers. I think that's a much better solution. I do have a question. You said when you had your little animation, you said those cars were going in. You said it was a gravel driveway, but I think you meant to say that it was not a gravel driveway because later you showed... The checkered block.
01:28:09.10	Cecilia Jaroslawski	That's correct, Commissioner, but I will let the applicant speak to the design of the driveway.
01:28:09.23	Jeffery Luxenberg	Yeah.
01:28:15.37	Jeffery Luxenberg	That's correct that you said gravel, but it's not gravel, or?
01:28:20.15	Cecilia Jaroslawski	there would not be any loose gravel.
01:28:23.03	Jeffery Luxenberg	Okay. And, um... And it connects into the road, which I saw in the conditions the Marin Fire Department is requiring to be paid. Is that correct?
01:28:37.06	Cecilia Jaroslawski	I'm sorry I don't understand the question.
01:28:39.65	Jeffery Luxenberg	There's a condition under the Marin Fire Department that says the road must be paid. So they're going to pay the loans to get to that, if I understand the requirement of a moving trial, which is good.
01:28:53.05	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Yes, I believe so.
01:28:54.37	Jeffery Luxenberg	Okay. And then I do have a couple questions if you could bring up, I don't have to bring it up on the screen, but if you could bring it up on your screen on the conditions, some changes that I want to see if they are possible to do or corrections. So on condition number two, since this is a demolition project, can we add, it indicates as part of the building application, they have to list all these conditions. I want to add a parenthetical statement that says, as well as the application for a demolition permit, so that the building department is fully aware of whatever conditions are there. Is there any reason we can't add that to condition number two?
01:29:37.35	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Um, no, there isn't. I'm just give me a couple of minutes, Commissioner, and I'll pull that up.
01:29:42.56	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you.
01:29:42.58	Andrew Junius	Okay.
01:29:46.60	Kristina Feller	So Commissioner Luxembourg, as Cecilia is doing that, can you just, clarify one more time the amendment that you would like to see Are you tying the building permit with the demo permit?
01:29:58.56	Jeffery Luxenberg	What I'm tying is that when you submit a building permit, you have to have all the conditions in black and white on the building permit plans. I'm asking that they also be put on the demo permit plans so that there's no confusion of something that happens during demolition before the building permit, that there would be a problem. And I'm actually gonna be looking for that as a standard condition and when there's any demolition, any project. So that's what I'm looking for from condition number two.
01:30:29.43	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Commissioner, did you want me to pull that up on the screen?
01:30:32.30	Jeffery Luxenberg	Sure, if you can pull up the conditions to buy out, there's four of them, so there might
01:30:40.41	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay. We can do that.
01:30:56.95	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay, can you see that, Commissioner?
01:30:58.62	Jeffery Luxenberg	I can. So where it says as part of the building permit application and number two there, I want to add the statement that says as well as the application for any demolition permit. So right in there.
01:31:14.21	Unknown	Thank you.
01:31:25.06	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you.
01:31:25.08	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Thank you.
01:31:25.10	Unknown	you
01:31:25.37	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you.
01:31:27.75	Cecilia Jaroslawski	I'm sorry, as well as the demolition?
01:31:29.99	Jeffery Luxenberg	as well as the application for any demolition permit. Common.
01:31:42.44	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay.
01:31:43.52	Jeffery Luxenberg	The next one is condition number three, and it says it shall be designed as shown in the set of plans. Because I keep changing the project, that June date is relevant for some plans, but the landscape plans L1.00 and L2.00 are dated 6-13-2022. So I actually would like you to, not as we speak, but we'll vote to do this, to add the dates of all the plans that are in the set, because usually they fix things before we get to see it, but all the dates are different. There's like, I found at least four or five different dates all over the place, so we need to list them because the landscape plans from the June 25th date are no longer correct.
01:32:33.54	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay, I'll write a note.
01:32:35.20	Jeffery Luxenberg	Okay, thank you. And then on condition, what's the difference between condition two and condition 26?
01:32:56.46	Cecilia Jaroslawski	They look like they're identical.
01:32:57.93	Jeffery Luxenberg	Is there a reason we're doing them twice?
01:33:01.32	Cecilia Jaroslawski	No, there isn't.
01:33:02.30	Jeffery Luxenberg	Okay, if you can delete one of them.
01:33:04.90	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay.
01:33:05.81	Jeffery Luxenberg	Condition 33.
01:33:23.58	Jeffery Luxenberg	Condition 30, I'm sorry, 30, 34, it says fire sprinklers. I think you meant that, that a fire sprinklers is condition number 35. Could that be possible?
01:33:38.09	Cecilia Jaroslawski	This is verbatim from the fire department.
01:33:42.61	Jeffery Luxenberg	I understand. It doesn't make any sense.
01:33:42.65	Cecilia Jaroslawski	I understand.
01:33:48.42	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay. How would you like to modify it?
01:33:51.67	Andrew Junius	I,
01:33:52.23	Jeffery Luxenberg	I think it just means that the A fire sprinklers is part of 35 or, or, or I think the A fire sprinklers is supposed to be the item 35 title, I believe.
01:34:05.43	Director Horter	Um, Madam Chair, Commissioner Luxembourg, what they mean by that is that the fire sprinklers are deferred submittal.
01:34:09.71	Jeffery Luxenberg	Bye.
01:34:13.22	Jeffery Luxenberg	The fire triggers are deferred submittal.
01:34:15.38	Director Horter	Yeah. you
01:34:15.97	Jeffery Luxenberg	So I leave the food.
01:34:16.02	Director Horter	Sorry. because they do it at building companies. And this is how they condition it on their ON THEIR CONDITIONS.
01:34:25.85	Jeffery Luxenberg	Okay, seems a little strange, but okay. All right, with that, those are the ones that I have. And for the future, Dan, if you could have, the chair talked about getting QAQC after our resolutions, but also if we could have these conditions checked before they're submitted to us in the future, that would be helpful. That's the only, that's the rest that I have, Chair Feller.
01:34:50.72	Kristina Feller	Thank you very much. Vice Chair Junius.
01:34:55.53	Andrew Junius	No questions for staff.
01:34:57.50	Kristina Feller	Okay. Okay. I don't have any questions specifically on this, I do, like we have on previous resolutions the conditions want to tie the demo permit with the building permit, particularly because of the type of technology and construction that the applicant has been very innovative. But I think it's really important to tie the two together. So, Cecilia, I want to make sure that that condition is covered in here. And again, because of great innovation There also sometimes comes a lack of supply, unfortunately, in this part of the world. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY CHANGES THAT THIS APPLICANT MIGHT WANT TO MAKE TO THIS DESIGN REVIEW also that it come back to this planning commission and not handle this dearly. Because those things can snowball very quickly and we wanna make sure that this applicant could get the proper support in the event that this is approved. Thank you. Okay. So with that, unless there are any other questions for staff, I would like to invite the applicant up here to present. THE CHANGES TO YOUR DESIGN. WELCOME THIS EVENING. MATT, ARE YOU DOING THE MAJORITY OF THE PRESENTATION? AND CAN WE, YOU ARE NOW A CO-HOST, SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE SCREEN um work your microphone
01:36:34.47	Matt	Great, I will share screen then.
01:36:37.61	Kristina Feller	And you'll have 15 minutes for a presentation. And Maria will get the timer clock up here. And if you want to reserve any time for later on, you're welcome to do that. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
01:36:48.74	Matt	All right, great, thank you. So we're here to present our proposal for 52 Varda Landing Road. We'll briefly cover our design concept from last time and specifically address the questions that we had from the commissioners in public at our last hearing. And after I talk, we'll hear from our civil engineer, Sherwood engineers about our sea level rise concept and modeling. So just as a reminder, 52 Varda Landing Road, where this large kind of pin-shaped site along Varda Landing Road as it meets Gate 5 Road, half of the site is on land, the other half is over the bay. Existing structures include the gazebo houseboat, which will not be changed or modified in a proposal. The A-frame, which we are proposing to reclid and rotate slightly to meet setback requirements. The summer house is a tool shed and we're proposing to do them all set. And then there is the one existing residence on land, the workshop, which we are also proposing to demolish and replace. um those three land-based structures can be seen here in this aerial and kind of cluster um towards water landing road um and our access with our easement across our neighbor's property line um here at 40 water landing yards The existing structures again are the workshop, which is the residents significantly below grade and floods often. The A-frame, which we're proposing to reclad and reorientate slightly to meet setback requirements. The gazebo houseboat will be unaffected and unchanged in this proposal. And the summer house, which is a tool shed, we propose to demolish. on the that one of the strong for design is that the site but we proposed to demolish. As I said, one of the strong characteristics and inspirations for our design is that the site floods frequently during king tides and strong storm events, and will only continue to flood more. The residents, as you can see, floods and is entirely unusable. Our proposal is really inspired by the history of the marine ship and the amazing houseboats, both docked on our site and nearby. We love this concept of artists living and working on the water and this connection to nature and the amazing site we have. The wood pallets, the kind of utilitarian yet quirky feel and really just that strong connection to this amazing site. Our proposal again includes to leave the houseboat as is unaffected, to rotate and reclad the A-frame and to build this new residence. We will also be proposing to shift our easement from crossing 40 Varda Landing Road to crossing our own property at 60 Varda Landing Road. You can see again that the residence's floor plan is very straightforward. It's essentially a studio apartment with an attached art studio workspace. And the floor plan kind of tying to the houseboats is really all about this amazing view out to the bay off of this large screened deck. And the rest of this building and floor plan is really about providing privacy from our neighbors, the street, and the other properties at 60. And then you can see the A-frame here continue to be an accessory structure. Our civil engineer will speak further about it, but our general, I guess, landscape and kind of civil idea is to allow water to come naturally onto site as it does now, but kind of strategically guide it and filter it back into the bay. We'll be repurposing the existing tidal marsh that you can see here in purple and providing this new lane garden that you can see here in blue. And our noted change from our previous proposal, our previous proposal had a gravel driveway and gravel walkways. We've amended that to use these checker block pavers with grass plug infill in the driveway. And then this true grid paving with bluegrass sod in the walkways. And basically the idea with this is it's permeable. It's a stable, flat, steady driving and walking surface. And it allows the site to kind of adapt this more natural look and feel. Looking at the planting proposed for the site, again, we'll leave the purple tidal marsh as is with the existing plants. We'll be planning this native plant mix throughout here, shown in green. This is totally irrigation free. And then in the blue, we'll be planning this rain garden plant mix. These plants are a little more happy being inundated or wet They will require irrigation for the first year after planning, but beyond that will be entirely irrigation free. As far as trees, we're providing this Hollywood Juniper hedge to provide some privacy that our neighbor requested. And then we'll be using these Monterey Cypress trees throughout shown with the larger tree stand. Both of these are irrigation free as well. In terms of material palette, we're really trying to respect and talk to the surrounding buildings and houseboats, almost all of which are woodclad in various colors and views and levels of wear. Our kind of special spin is that we're proposing to use this charred wood siding. And the idea with that is not only does it give the wood kind of a unique character, but it also adds durability from the elements, you know, the sun, the wind, water, and salt that this will all be exposed to. In areas that will touch water more frequently, like the base of our building, we're even providing this concrete base kind of added durability. Again, looking at the elevations, you can see this concrete base. our rectilinear shape, which I'll talk about later, and this charred wood siding. And you can see again that this building is really all about that one view out towards the bay and providing privacy otherwise. The A-frame will maintain its existing character and shape, but will be reclad and kind of given the facelift that needs to be that accessory structure. Looking at a couple sections, one kind of restriction to note is that we're within FEMA's AE 10 foot flood zone. And that means that we're required to have a finished floor level one foot above that flood level, which is where this 11 foot elevation is coming from. You'll note that that is a significant increase from the existing grade and existing floor level at seven feet. It's almost this four foot junk. but that is a FEMA requirement. And even with that said, we are still notably staying below our neighbors deck and view lines next door at 40 Vardal Landing. We are still below their kind of privacy screen and negotiated and spoke with that neighbor about that hike. The special thing that this required lift allows us to do as you already know, is to propose these floating foundations. There'll be a volume of foam encased in concrete below our finished floor that will allow the building to literally lift in place. And that is our reasoning for having such a kind of efficient square utilitarian layout if the building has to actually float and be balanced. You can see here that we have this raised finished floor level with foam below and pilings within the walls. During normal tidal activity, it'll just sit on the ground. During seasonal flooding, our raised floor level will allow us to stay above the waterline and likely not actually lift the building. But during those significant 100-year flood events, during taking future sea level rise into account, the building will actually be able to resiliently lift and during those significant hundred year flood events, during taking future sea level rise into account, the building will actually be able to resiliently lift in place and stay usable and safe during these flood events. I'm just looking at some quick renderings. You can see 60 Varda Landing as is next door to our site at 52 with this new easement proposed across 60 and the two buildings beyond. Moving on to the site, you can see these connected pathways with that new true grid and grass infill paving leading to the bay, the entrance into the residence here, a view into the connected art studio here, and then the A-frame beyond. And then looking from the back again, this residence is really all about creating this connection to the bay and this private kind of protected space for that occupant. And you can see the apron next door, which as we zoom out, kind of again, shields this little private space from the property at 60 and the tenants there. And the idea is that this view corridor reaches out towards the bay over our new irrigation free and native planting and really just celebrates the exciting half Um, That is the end of my presentation. And with that, I'd love to hand it over to Sherwood engineers to talk about our sea level rise information.
01:46:11.59	Kristina Feller	Let's stop the clock there, Maria, for just a moment. TEAM. IS THAT BRIAN GARRETT?
01:46:20.40	Matt	I believe it'll either be, I think it'll be Jimmy Galvez.
01:46:24.55	Kristina Feller	Okay. OK, there's Jimmy, are you able to unmute?
01:46:29.75	Jimmy Galvez	There we go. Thank you.
01:46:31.49	Kristina Feller	Okay, let's go ahead and keep the clock going. Welcome, Jimmy.
01:46:31.54	Jimmy Galvez	Okay.
01:46:35.08	Jimmy Galvez	Thank you. So I'll share my screen. I'm going to go for it. um to mention jibby galvis uh sherman's gonna do a similar record uh as matt shared uh from the site perspective the the site was uh beyond the views it was also placed in such a way that to minimize grading and and also uh maintain very much patterns for wherever existing ready patterns were possible. With me is Sebastian Birch, who will speak to the sea level rise component in our analysis that was performed early on. So Sebastian.
01:47:26.79	Kristina Feller	Maria, can we help Sebastian unmute there?
01:47:32.39	Sebastian Birch	Hi, thank you very much. So when we're looking at these sea level rise considerations for coastal projects, we kind of have a general procedure that we use for the Bay Area. We're really fortunate in the area that we have good local guidance, and that goes all the way from strategic level planning down to the site-specific guidance. So we start off with regional assessments in the North Bay, Marin County. We've got this resource out of the BayWave study, which provides that high level kind of planning guidance Our project here is at the top of the black circle in the image. That provides some guidance as to what conditions you should consider, what sea level rise projections are relevant. These sorts of planning studies show district impacts. They don't show site-specific considerations. They just can't get to that. So we take the next step down into, next slide, More of a kind of district focused Marin map your the county GIS provides This is the most zoomed in resource we have it provides better projections. This is showing the one level sea level rise at mean higher high water daily high tide. It does not consider site development considerations, what's being raised, and it doesn't have any information on finished floor elevations. So again, it's a good planning tool, but once we get into design, next slide, we wanna look at site specifics. So our study was really focused on the design guidance tool. What are the possible property impacts? So this considers the actual site specific development considerations, where are pathways being raised, what is the exact finished floor elevation and it's based on a detailed survey of the actual specific site Here we're showing the one foot, two foot, three foot sea level rise numbers, same as Marine Map Viewer. and showing what areas are affected by different water levels. Next slide. The next challenge is, so we know what water levels affect what parts of the property, but then what sea level rise numbers should we actually use? This comes to what guidance is available. not having specific regulatory guidance from the county or the city. What we use in the area is the OPC 2018 sea level guidance provided by the state. that. We always kind of consider the worst case scenario, high emissions scenario, RCP 8.5, which lays out a probability based approach. How much might sea level rise in a certain year and what's the likelihood of that happening? Because there's definitely going to be some, there's likely to be more than that, and there's a lower likelihood of even a higher amount. So for a project like this, the OPC guidance is that since there's not a significant risk to infrastructure or human safety, Um, because the project is adaptable, it should use this likely prediction, which has a 66% chance of happening in a certain year. And that matches the Bay Wave guidance that says, if it's sensitive to flooding, but it's adaptable, it is not considered as vulnerable. So the OPC 2018 guidance would say this is considered a low risk, so we will use the range of sea level rise on the right. Next slide. I think I'm short on time, so we'll just say we kind of explored in our study, which I believe you have, For scenarios, when will the property start being affected? When will there be risk to structure and life? AND SO, First would be at current high water, how much sea level rise do you need before the finished floor elevations are affected by the daily high tide? sea level would have to rise about five feet. And there's a 66% chance based on the high emission scenarios that we see that level of sea level rise by around 2140. So long time horizon. But we don't just care about high tide, those annual or two to three times annual king tides where we get a couple extra feet of water We do care about those. When does that reach the finished floor? That would be at about three feet of sea level rise, likely to happen around the end of the century.
01:51:51.57	Maria	THE FAMILY.
01:52:00.50	Sebastian Birch	Again, we also care about storm surges so that 100 year storm the one percent storm would add around 3.7 feet of sea level rise based on tidal data from near to the project site provided by the Army Corps. that would we'd see about a 9.6 foot elevation of the water level that's still below finished floor elevations. You do have partial innovation on stuff on the property, but from a human risk perspective, the buildings aren't affected. It's only when you start looking at sea level rise during that hundred year storm that we start to see near-term impacts to the finished floor elevation So if you add 100-year storm, with sea level rise, at what point do we start seeing the finished floor being reached So around 2060. that one percent chance storm has a chance of reaching the current finished floor elevation by around 2060. Now, that said, the project is adaptable.
01:53:04.59	Kristina Feller	or FORGIVES MY Please forgive my interruption. I'm not attempting to be rude here, but we're out of time for the presentation. However, I know that this commission will have questions for you. I don't know how many more slides you had here, but I know that...
01:53:25.70	Sebastian Birch	Oh, yes. Thank you. You timed it perfect. That was the last bit. We just sum up to say since the buildings are architecturally adaptable to the higher water levels, by the guidance we see the project as low risk and adaptable. Thank you.
01:53:40.69	Kristina Feller	I know.
01:53:40.96	Sebastian Birch	That was our last slide.
01:53:42.34	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Thank you very much. And certainly, let's go ahead and stop screen share for the moment. We might have to refer back to these. but don't go far because this would be the time for the commissioners to ask the applicant any questions before we head into public comment. So, Commissioner Luxenberg, would you like to start us off?
01:54:04.56	Jeffery Luxenberg	Yeah, I just wanted to thank the applicant for the additional changes they've made and the additional information. I have no more questions at this time. Thank you.
01:54:12.68	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
01:54:15.47	Richard Graef	I don't really have any questions. It's all pretty clear. I'm still a little unclear about Um, uh, the, floating foundation system And what happens with the utilities that are coming in of the structure like gas, electrical, water, sewer, all that stuff. what have you, How if the building moves What happens with the infrastructure?
01:54:53.54	Jimmy Galvez	If I could respond to that. So from the utility perspective, all of this is there are flexible pipe connections that allow the flexibility of those the utility infrastructure to continue to operate as the building is moving. Technology that is used all the time and similar other applications like in Calvary Stone in Texas. So I don't know if that answers the question.
01:55:26.05	Richard Graef	Thank you. Um, oh wait, there was one other question. Um, And that at some point, some view impact came up. I was never really clear and I can't be clear from visiting a site what view impact might have been might have worried somebody or might have been an issue. I just don't see that. And maybe I'm just misremembering.
01:56:08.48	Richard Graef	I guess that would be a question for the architect.
01:56:13.03	Matt	Mm-hmm. Yeah, thank you. I could be misremembering, but I wanna say that the view impacts were comments to our 60 Varda Landing proposal, which was on the previous agenda. We didn't end up presenting it, but there was a time for public comment. And I think that was more directly in the view corridor of, I wanna say 24 Varda Landing roads. But I don't believe it was a comment that was addressed to this specific proposal.
01:56:46.56	Richard Graef	Okay, great, thank you. Thank you. No other questions right now. Thanks.
01:56:51.49	Kristina Feller	Thank you, Commissioner Graff. Commissioner Saad.
01:56:55.80	Nastassya Saad	Matt, just a quick question for you. You had mentioned in the rain garden that there would be some plants that would only require irrigation for the first year. Are you looking for an irrigation system there? Would it just be manually maintained for that? THE FIRST YEAR OF LIFE.
01:57:13.75	Matt	I believe on the landscape drawings, it calls out drip irrigation for the first year of life. So there would be a drip irrigation system.
01:57:23.32	Nastassya Saad	Okay, great. I must have not seen that. Thank you for clarifying. That is my only question at this time.
01:57:29.17	Kristina Feller	Thank you very much. Vice Chair Junius.
01:57:32.09	Andrew Junius	Thank you, Chair Feller. I appreciate the progress of the design and I think it's gotten better and I think it's answered a lot of our questions. I'm curious about the Delta bluegrass sod I mean, and with respect to that and other plans, I mean, this area does get inundated with tithes. I understand it's a drought tolerant California designed sod grown specifically for California climates, It seems like some of these areas are going to be regularly hit with Bay water, which is, you know, has some salt in it. Has that been kind of considered in terms of selecting the sod?
01:58:02.98	Matt	Thank you.
01:58:02.99	Unknown	Thank you.
01:58:10.45	Matt	I believe that it was a consideration of our landscape architect and that that was a grass specifically chosen to be able to stay alive and remain resilient with that flooding.
01:58:22.62	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
01:58:22.63	Matt	Thank you.
01:58:22.65	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
01:58:22.67	Matt	Thank you.
01:58:22.73	Andrew Junius	like, oh, I have
01:58:24.76	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Thank you again for the presentation. I have a couple of questions. And happy to see progress on a lot of the issues that we brought up before, I'm still a little bit unclear how the architecture was modified. Um... What exactly did you modify on the building?
01:58:50.02	Matt	I guess the direct answer is that the architecture was not modified. We would just like to make the argument that we believe that it does fit within the fabric of the marine ship and does speak to the existing houseboats both on site and in the grander Sausalito context.
01:59:10.10	Unknown	Thank you.
01:59:10.14	Kristina Feller	Okay.
01:59:10.24	Matt	And so we did not modify the architectural design.
01:59:14.00	Kristina Feller	Okay. and In the process of putting together your landscape plan, have you consulted at all with Southern Marin Fire District?
01:59:26.83	Matt	We have and none of the plants are on their fire risk list.
01:59:33.54	Kristina Feller	So even the Monterey Cypress, they were okay with?
01:59:38.45	Matt	That is my understanding after our landscape architects review.
01:59:44.24	Kristina Feller	Okay, Cecilia, I think we need to make a note. Southern Red Fire has always wanted... those trees moved or off on their naughty list or their non-desirable whatever they call it list let's just make sure
01:59:57.49	Maria	Thank you.
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01:59:57.76	Maria	Thank you.
02:00:01.22	Kristina Feller	If they say it's okay, I don't have a problem. I just want to make sure that we're doing the right thing here. So if we can include that on our list of issues and conditions. THE END OF And then I wanted to, so it sounds like you guys coordinated with Baneways. with Chris Chu and her group at the county But I still have not gotten, I still don't understand that if you have spoken directly to the Sausalito Sea Level Rise and Subsidies Task Force, who do have, the comprehensive GIS mapping And so some of the calculations and numbers are different than what the Sausalito model is saying. Um, And so I don't know if you ever coordinated or spoke to them as asked. Can you speak a little bit to that? And then I'll just throw a couple more out because they're all related and it might just be easier to have the discussion rather than one by one. I wanna make sure that you've had a look at our general plan update, the recent update, because there is some specific language in there about sea level rise and subsidence. And Again, just want to make sure that this project is going to be a successful one. But obviously, as I've said before, the idea of the innovation technology and finally bringing something that's fairly mainstream from other parts of the world here is great, BUT THESE CONDITIONS HERE ARE DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A VIIABLE SOLUTION And then MCL also adopted a sea level rise policy, a public policy. which does affect or include, let's say, So I wanna know, those are just a bunch of questions all around sea level rise. So I thought it might be easier just to throw them all out and then hear what you guys have to say.
02:02:05.33	Jimmy Galvez	I'll start and Sebastian can jump in after. The reference to the subsidence district or authority we haven't spoken directly yet. I think what we were trying to show is that as Sebastian laid out that the different systems have a certain level of accuracy both as a planning study. However, at the site specific level, kind of where we got into a little bit more detailed approach where we actually had a surveyor go out there and measure the mean higher high water line and that began to inform our 12 inches 24 inches and 36 inches of power how the spread of that um goes throughout the site. Um, I know, Sebastian, if you want to add anything more to that
02:03:09.14	Sebastian Birch	Yeah, on that question of utilizing available marine GIS, that's the same GIS data source that marine map viewer uses. And so we showed that on our second slide. um, it shows an outline, a rather pixelated outline, because it's a more zoomed out approach and it doesn't consider the surveyed site specifics. So that's why we get all the way for design purposes, we get down to What is the site grading actually going to result in for water levels? from a policy perspective, we did reach out to Chris Chu and coordinate with her on Is there fixed guidance on what elevation of sea level rise? Is it 10 inches, 24, 36, 6 1⁄2 feet? What is the number that must be designed to? That number doesn't exist yet. apparently from a regulatory perspective provided by the county or the city or a date, it must be hardened to sea level, that is going to be experienced by 2068. point on it. that. THAT. fixed guidance doesn't exist yet. THE REGIONAL PLUG. But the usual regional planning efforts defer to is this state guidance that says, Pick your risk tolerance for the project. Is it a high risk or a low risk based on threat to human safety, based to threat to costly infrastructure, and based on the adaptability of the site? and pick the appropriate I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. probability. So for this, since it's an adaptable, low-risk project, we use a very likely sea level rise. if this were a municipal infrastructure project it would have to be informed by a much a higher sea level prediction that had a less likely chance of happening you typically use the state guidance that would say a 0.5% chance sea level condition, which is a very high elevation. And so we not having specific numbers, we not having specific elevations, what we defer to is guidance that says, use these likely scenarios and Thank you. ensure that the property is either hardened or adaptable to those levels. So I'd say we are utilizing the guidance provided by the All right. our contacts with at the county and at the city. but there isn't a fixed number that is required. The reality is the world of sea level adaptation is not as developed as what we're used to from flood planning. There isn't a single line on a map that says everybody has to follow FEMA 100. And that's the number.
02:06:10.36	Kristina Feller	And that's the number. Yeah, so I think that's why I referred you to the Sausalito Sea Level Rise and Subsidies Task Force, because it's not just sea level rise, it is subsidence. And I don't want to start cutting, you know, splitting hairs over the maps. Obviously, Sausalito's mapping does include an overlay of the marine maps and obviously Cass Green, who is a preeminent, nationally known a GIS mapper who owns the in above tides and it's a Sausalito in if I can say that. She's considered the authority on this and has been meeting the sea level rise and subsides Parts of where Varda Landing and north of that have substantial subsidence issues on top of sea level rise. And I just wanna make sure that these things have been taken into consideration I really do, I love this project and I want to see it go through, but I want to make sure that it's successful and we think through these things. And there is proposed ordinance change specific to sea level rise and subsidence here. and additional language that's been adopted through the general plan. And that's why I'm bringing it up. I'm not, you know, you're the engineer on this project, I am not. I just want to make sure that we're being clear in the questions that were brought up at the last hearing are actually addressed in this hearing. And it doesn't sound like you spoke to the folks we asked you to speak to or consider this issue of subsidence And I wanna give you a chance to comment on it just because this is a reality here in Sausalito.
02:08:02.31	Kristina Feller	So have you accounted for subsidence? I guess maybe I'll ask it that way.
02:08:08.11	Jimmy Galvez	I think from that standpoint, then we can follow up with people response on this experience aspect. you
02:08:18.78	Kristina Feller	Okay. Yeah, because it's just a problem here, obviously. You guys would know that. So I just want to make sure that we had a conversation about that. I mean, I really appreciate you guys taking into consideration some of the comments on paving and things like that. I think it's I think it's much nicer that way. It sort of softens the project, and I think it's a much better solution, although that's slightly subjective. I think it's better for that area overall. Those are all the questions that I had, and I appreciate you listening to me on those. Commissioner, do you have any more questions for the applicant at this time, just by a show of hands? Okay, if not, then I'm gonna go ahead and open this up to public comment. And to do so, please raise your hand in the Zoom application in your reactions at your the bottom bar on your screen. or you can press star nine on your cell phone. Each speaker will have three minutes for their comment, and I will call upon you in the order I see you on my screen. So this is a time for public comment on item 6B, 52 Barter Landing.
02:09:43.78	Kristina Feller	I am not seeing any hands raised at this time.
02:09:49.63	Kristina Feller	I'll go ahead and close public comment and move this discussion up to deliberations to our virtual bias here on the screen. Kutcher Luxenberg, do you want to start us off?
02:10:03.03	Jeffery Luxenberg	Sure, I think they've made some improvements to this project. I think with the changes that you've suggested and I've suggested, I believe we could move ahead with this project. Amen.
02:10:16.40	Richard Graef	Thank you.
02:10:16.99	Kristina Feller	Commissioner Graff, your thoughts?
02:10:19.60	Richard Graef	Generally, I support the project. I like it. I think it's well thought out and it's better. In visiting the site again and looking at the story polls, I was struck by how tall the structure is. and it's really quite solid. And I just couldn't get away from that. And I'm wondering if there is any way bad. structure could be lowered i see that there's a parapet i see that the studio ceiling is higher I'm just wondering if there's any way that... It can be brought down. Okay. And that was the only kind of quarrel I have with the project, everything about it. Everything else I really like.
02:11:19.07	Kristina Feller	So Commissioner Graff, just a follow-up question to your comments. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OPTION OF POSSIBLY LOWERING IT Are you, in your mind, are you thinking six inches, two feet? Like what is a little bit to you?
02:11:36.11	Richard Graef	Well, I, you know, in looking at the section of the building, You can't lower it too much, but but it seems like It might be possible. Not by lowering the floor level, certainly, but at the roof level. And maybe it's just not possible, but I could see from the sections that there might be a way to with you know, such inches or a foot out of there. Um, Oh, I don't know that it's a game changer.
02:12:21.24	Kristina Feller	Okay. OK, any more comments or any thoughts or? changes you would recommend?
02:12:29.74	Richard Graef	No, that's the only thing. I, you know, everything else about it, I think it's good. Really great design, I like it. So I would like to see it built. I would also like to see it a little shorter, but Um, That's my personal viewpoint.
02:12:50.24	Kristina Feller	Okay. Commissioner Sun.
02:12:55.39	Nastassya Saad	I THINK, I think a lot of the questions we had had been addressed previously. I am a little disappointed that there were no design changes. I think we had expressed, I know I personally expressed CONCERN OVER SOME OF THE COLORS. I STILL FIND IT REALLY DARK, AND MAYBE WE CAN REOPEN UP THAT DISCUSSION BACK TO THE APPLICANT IF WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. Design-wise, I think the design makes sense. I think it's an innovative solution. was definitely hoping to see some some changes given some of the direction from last time. That's a comment more visually than anything else. I also visited the I think I understand Commissioner Graff's concern to the eye. I think if the neighbor, and I don't know the address, but the neighbor that's immediately adjacent, I think Matt might have mentioned that there was an agreement there and some understanding around view corridors. I don't know if there was any other public comment. I didn't see anything else come through for this particular address this time around. SO I... It does look tall, but I don't think, I don't know if there are any concerns from the neighbors to take into account over that. But otherwise. overall good project. Chair Fowler, I think you brought up some great points. I think A GOOD LEARNING OPPORTUNITY HERE IN TERMS OF sustenance and WITH THAT IN MIND, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D BE 100% COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD TONIGHT, JUST GIVEN THAT THERE MIGHT STILL BE SOME um, some things to look into in that realm. But outside of that, overall, I think it's a great project.
02:14:52.66	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Saad. VICE CHAIR JUNIUS?
02:14:58.93	Andrew Junius	Thank you, Chair Feller. I think it's a great project. responded as much as they can to our comments from the last meeting. I really do hope we can move forward tonight. Um, I think it's a good project and I'm moving forward.
02:15:16.69	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Um, I love this project. I would love to move it forward. We were pretty clear, though, at our last AND I THINK THAT WE ARE HEARING ABOUT THE DESIGN, WE ALL HAD DIFFERENT COMMENTS PERHAPS ABOUT THAT, OR SOME OF US DID, SOME OF US DID. AND THOSE MIGHT EVEN HAVE BEEN CONFLICTING. BUT TO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CHANGE OR OPTIONS TO LOOK AT OR THAT DIALOGE, I... I'm a little disappointed. about that and You were also specifically asked to coordinate and model through the Salsido sea level rise and subsidence task force because our GIS mapping is more comprehensive than even the county. The county uses ours now. And this is a great opportunity. This is a great project. You come in with great innovation and technology. I'm a massive fan of that and wish we would see more of that And I'm rooting like heck for FOR THIS PROJECT AND FOR YOU, BUT I'M feeling a little underwhelmed that there was just no response to some of the clear requests from some of the commissioners here. And we ask these things or make comments like this Um, you know, just not to be completely ignored. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, if you're standing so strongly by the design, you're the architect, again, I'm not. but I don't really hear much, reason why there's no, like, zero flexibility or any changes to the design. There's no justification or... or there's no explanation. So it's very, you know, it's sort of like, well, I don't feel like it. So I don't really understand that. And so it's hard for me to root for it without understanding whatever the explanation is as to why there's absolutely no change to it whatsoever or an attempt to it. It's a little hard for me. I do not like continuing... projects like this that I think have a lot of promise, but at the same time, we apply the same standards equally and fairly to every single applicant that comes in front of us. And so when we ask for more information or ask for, or provide input, we expect, TO EITHER RECEIVE IT OR BE GIVEN SOME PROFESSIONAL EXPLANATION AS TO WHY NOT, WHICH I WOULD DULY RESPECT AS WELL. So that's sort of where I... fall on this. I don't know if we can carve out some additional conditions for additional information and maybe conditionally approve this. That's something Cecilia we need to talk about or the commissioners we need to talk about. how to do that. So that's sort of where I fall. I don't know if anyone else has thoughts about that.
02:18:30.56	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Mm.
02:18:30.97	Richard Graef	Thank you.
02:18:32.20	Kristina Feller	Thank you. . If not, yes, Commissioner Brack.
02:18:36.39	Richard Graef	Oh. I'll jump in again. Um, . I do kind of remember some, conversation. I didn't go back and revisit our last that review but about the dark color as it being rather severe and I think after looking at it for a while, I've kind of gotten used to it, I could certainly see a lighter value overall to through the building. I mean, they are. a rather stark contrast to the neighbors. I know there are some dark colors here and there, but generally speaking, It's a lighter tonality. in the neighborhood. And it might be. got a little better that way. far as the height goes, you know, if there's a way to shrink it a little bit. That'd be great. Maybe not. So those are my only...
02:19:43.75	Maria	Thank you.
02:19:47.90	Richard Graef	I'm not sure how the other commissioners feel about those but that's kind of where i stand i'm um i'm a little on the fence about whether to approve it as is. Amen. Thank you.
02:20:07.44	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
02:20:08.22	Kristina Feller	Yeah, Vice Virginia.
02:20:10.72	Andrew Junius	Thank you, Chair Feller. I mean, with all due respect on the height, ISSUES. the building is well below the height limit. I think, I think the, if I saw correctly, the A-frame itself is like, you know, significantly taller than the HOME. And in my experience, you know, when you get to this level, removing six inches or even a foot from the height of this structure, it's still gonna look big. You know, you'd have to have a dramatic, reduction in height and really squash it down, which I don't think we can do. And that extra six inches or 12 inches, I think makes a huge difference to the livability of the unit, the volume created on the interior. I wouldn't support a decrease in the height. And I'd also, I've I don't know if we can welcome the architect back if he wants to defend the design and defend the color, I'm very agnostic about that. I usually trust architects to do the right thing, but that's where I would stand on the design issues.
02:21:09.91	Kristina Feller	I appreciate that. Commissioner Luxenberg.
02:21:13.04	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
02:21:13.05	Jeffery Luxenberg	uh yeah i would concur with commissioner juniors on the high i don't think the six inches is going to make that much of a big deal and as the water rises the building's going to come up a little bit anyway so i i think if we're only talking six inches to a foot that's not going to make a huge difference i would concur with the commissioner grap on the on the color the the darkness has always bothered me that you you know, it's, you know, so I'm able to see what the applicant would say about the column itself on that.
02:21:44.91	Kristina Feller	Thank you for that. And for the record, I don't have an issue with the height at all. It sounds like this applicant worked closely with the adjacent neighbor. And so the height doesn't obstruct the next door balcony. So I don't have an issue with that either.
02:21:52.49	Nastassya Saad	Amen.
02:22:03.51	Kristina Feller	But Commissioner Saad, do you have any additional thoughts or shall I ask the architect?
02:22:10.34	Nastassya Saad	Yeah, I'd love to hear from the architect. I think I'd love some clarification around that material, because I feel like, and I'm not familiar with this material, so I don't know if this material is specific to this color. So maybe we can discuss that when the architect comes back up. For the record, I don't have an issue with the height either. Disagree with you respectfully, Commissioner Graff. But yeah, I don't take an issue there. But the design and color, I'd love to hear more.
02:22:38.96	Kristina Feller	Mm-hmm. All right. Okay, well with that, Matt, why don't we ask you up here to our virtual dives, maybe, obviously you've heard some of our deliberations and discussions. If you'd like to address any of those, we're all ears for sure.
02:22:57.97	Matt	Yeah, thank you for those comments and I'd be happy to address them. Let me briefly share screen. So just to address the two comments on cover, you So shishukibon or the charred wood that we're talking about using does come in a variety of colors. Normally it is that darker close to black kind of gray color. But you can see in this, sorry, little last minute screen grab, that there is the option for a little bit of variation and even brushing to reveal slightly lighter, kind of warmer tones in the wood. Um,
02:23:44.07	Kristina Feller	Matt, I'm sorry, can you just like make that a little bit bigger for everybody?
02:23:48.40	Matt	of course, sorry about that.
02:23:49.96	Kristina Feller	Okay.
02:23:50.78	Matt	Thank you.
02:23:51.76	Kristina Feller	That's helpful to see. Thank you.
02:23:53.89	Matt	Yeah, so we have been showing a darker color, roughly maybe in this node or somewhere around this area, but there is the opportunity for color variation and there is a chance for brushing or kind of revealing warmer wood tones within that. The other item that I guess I just wanted to point out is that while there is a great variety in the colors and wood tones around us, kind of our two most significant neighbors are actually fairly dark tones as well. You can see the building at 40 Varda Landing Road, which is kind of a mix up here in the top corner. Anything from a darker brown to kind of a weathered gray and really even getting close to that tone that we're recommending. And then the famous houseboat next to us is also a very dark brown town. Um, So yeah, we feel that it does flatten and get close to those colors, but there is the opportunity for variation.
02:25:18.99	Kristina Feller	And would your client be willing to consider another color?
02:25:27.70	Matt	Um, I, I believe so. I mean, I think this is our preferred color and architecture, um, architectural suggestion. Um, but if it's something that the commissioners would really like to see, we can certainly explore in different colors or different tones.
02:25:45.40	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Commissioner, any additional follow-on questions specific to the color?
02:25:56.94	Andrew Junius	All right.
02:25:59.03	Kristina Feller	Yes, Vice Chair.
02:26:01.08	Andrew Junius	Yeah, I think that's interesting. Is there a way, Matt, could you put up a the site plan again and point out the proximity of the the adjacent structure, which I think I get where it is, but that the big Vallejo houseboat on your site plan, just so we can get the,
02:26:13.21	Jimmy Galvez	Thank you. Yeah.
02:26:16.25	Andrew Junius	the, um, proximities there. Cause I mean, I do think that's very interesting and I'm, I think it supports the, you know, newish darker color, you know, even toward the black and dark gray. because you do have those darker colors around. So where's the Vallejo again?
02:26:30.42	Matt	So our proposed residence is here, and this is the Vallejo out here, which was that dark houseboat, and then our neighbor at 40 Varda Laning Road, Sits right on the property line next to us.
02:26:44.68	Andrew Junius	So in some respects you have like the Vallejo is almost like your backdrop when you're sitting out there on Varta land and you're seeing in the foreground, your new building with the, It's very dark that you're proposing. And in the background, not quite as dark with the heavy dark brown Vallejo. So I think that's interesting. I'd I don't have a problem with that.
02:27:02.55	Kristina Feller	Okay.
02:27:04.24	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
02:27:04.25	Matt	Yeah.
02:27:05.28	Andrew Junius	Thank you. Thank you.
02:27:05.88	Matt	Thank you.
02:27:06.28	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
02:27:07.09	Kristina Feller	Commissioner Fassad, any thoughts?
02:27:09.44	Nastassya Saad	Yes, I definitely, there are a lot of colors that you just showed that I definitely prefer. But let me ask you, Matt, not only from a color standpoint, because I think you had made a comment around this particular type of color. WOULD IT? would would the color is irrelevant to what it would do for your structure as a as a substance correct you said it takes like the weather really well and Um... is just more sustainable, if I heard you correctly. So would there be any The color would not affect the quality. Is that correct?
02:27:47.61	Matt	It's actually, I would say that it's not correct. The charring is adding the durability and it's important for fireproofing, for weather resistance, for pests and termites. And so that layer is providing the protection. And so as you begin to kind of scrub it off to reveal more of the uncharred wood below, that is removing some of the durability.
02:28:13.93	Maria	OK. That was my question, thank you.
02:28:18.30	Kristina Feller	So Matt, what we're looking at now, the black color in the very middle is the charring. It's not a stain, it's not a paint. It's actual charring, correct?
02:28:30.05	Matt	exactly and there's kind of variations or levels of charring and kind of you know letting the actual grain disappear here and becoming kind of chunkier uh... or that charring being brushed away to reveal uncharted wood
02:28:40.31	Unknown	Yeah.
02:28:45.76	Kristina Feller	What about the blue colors?
02:28:49.94	Matt	I, to be totally honest, I've just pulled this from the internet. I'm not sure how they get this more blue tone in there. It may be at maybe a same.
02:29:03.22	Kristina Feller	Thank you.
02:29:03.24	Matt	Thank you.
02:29:03.26	Kristina Feller	Yeah, I'm not advocating blue, don't worry. But I'm just trying to walk everyone, both the commission and everyone watching or listening in, what we're looking at here so we understand.
02:29:03.29	Matt	Yeah.
02:29:17.62	Kristina Feller	it's not just a color, it's how you're treating the wood.
02:29:22.38	Matt	Yes. It's not just an artificial black paint. It is a chemical difference once the wood is charred.
02:29:29.19	Kristina Feller	Okay. Any other questions on color from any commissioners? Just go ahead, don't wait for me to call on from you.
02:29:39.42	Richard Graef	Well, yeah, I, now I'm saying this, this is informative. Um, I would lean towards the warmer but now I'm getting a better understanding of the 16, 17. chemistry of this I'm not sure. question. that I have is like most materials over time and weathering The many dark finishes will lighten up. How many lights? colors like redwood will darken and get very close to the one on the very right hand side there. I'm not sure. Thank you. So I'm just wondering, do you expect it to change much? over time.
02:30:29.67	Matt	I believe it will lighten and gray over time. I think that's correct.
02:30:38.62	Kristina Feller	Great question, Commissioner Brown. And any other comments from any other commissioners specific to the color?
02:30:49.76	Kristina Feller	Okay, I think we can stop sharing screen here. Do you want to, Matt, I mean, you...
02:30:53.37	Unknown	Okay.
02:30:55.58	Kristina Feller	I still want to give you the opportunity to address the design because there's been no change to the design and that's something that you got several comments from commissioners back at our last hearing. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT?
02:31:12.89	Matt	Yeah, I mean, I think that we, apologies if the sentiment was that we were meant to change the design. It felt like we got kind of comments approving and comments disapproving or questioning the design. So it wasn't meant to directly ignore comments. I think that we. I don't know, we feel strongly about the charred wood being a great solution. We feel that the wood texture and tone and aesthetic connects to the houseboats and buildings on land nearby. And we feel that the kind of straightforward, rectilinear, utilitarian layout and shape of the building is really necessary to make it realistically float down the line.
02:32:08.38	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Commissioner, any questions or comments to Matt there?
02:32:17.08	Matt	Oh, can I, sorry, can I add one last thing that I'm forgetting as well as that, I guess really an intent of that dark color too is to let this building kind of disappear into the landscape and let the bay and landscaping define the site as opposed to the building.
02:32:37.91	Kristina Feller	Commissioner Brown.
02:32:39.34	Richard Graef	Oh, I was just saying, all things considered. I would only lean a little bit towards the warmer version of this. material. Um, I don't have so much of a problem with the value It does feel kind of dark, but as As you said, it might lighten up a little bit. I think. Personally, I feel a little more comfortable with one of the warmer tones, but Um, I don't know how they all learn
02:33:23.08	Kristina Feller	Okay.
02:33:23.91	Richard Graef	feel about that.
02:33:25.33	Kristina Feller	I think we have good feedback. Anybody else have any thoughts? Commissioner Luxenberg?
02:33:30.27	Jeffery Luxenberg	I mean, I would lean towards a little warmer tone also when you see the houseboat behind it. It's not as dark. I think just being darker than that is not preferred, but, you know, I would lean to a slightly lighter color, not white meaning white, but white meaning brown, not black. But I understand what they're trying to do. So if it changes the complaint, if it changes the material, that changes the equation a little bit.
02:34:02.79	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Matt, you know, in that photo with the charcoal effect, which I have seen in can look very nice in certain applications. I think what's throwing us off is like, this is a very large structure. and it's a large black box. and maybe you can address the patina that charcoal gets or how you can get a better texture on it through the charcoaling effect. So it has a natural variegated look so it doesn't look like just a giant box.
02:34:47.84	Unknown	you
02:34:52.54	Kristina Feller	you want to respond to that or?
02:34:56.33	Matt	Yeah, sorry, I wasn't sure if that was a comment or if I was meant to respond. I think we can address it and I got that it is feeling. I got the feedback I guess I would point out that it is a 909 square foot studio apartment. And I think that a lot of the perceived mass in height is coming from the steamer environment. That I suspect other neighboring parcels will have to respect on the road. But I think that if the commission would like us to study variations in color or warmer towns, we would be happy to.
02:35:36.99	Kristina Feller	Okay, great. Thank you for that. Any other comments about from the commission.
02:35:46.77	Kristina Feller	Do you want to address the comments about the sea level rise and specifically subsidence in South Lido Sea Level Rise Task Force and our general plan language regarding subsidence and sea level rise? And did you include the MCL public policy? Because that affects us here too.
02:36:15.33	Kristina Feller	Um, Jimmy, yeah, Jimmy, you're unmuted.
02:36:19.97	Jimmy Galvez	Yeah, I just want to clarify. Maybe I misunderstood earlier. I think from the, component of contacting the task force, we did not, but I do want to clarify that substance has been taken into account in the design process of the site. There is no, the geotechnical report was conducted. The report shows that there's no reference to substance. There was a reference to, settlement based on the existing loading conditions there is a is a prediction of anywhere between two to four inches of settlement over the next 50 years. So part of those parameters will be taken into account during the design building permit process from that aspect. um, So I wanted to share that background as well. And Sebastian, I don't know if you wanted to expand also on our approach with the Bay Bay model.
02:37:30.57	Kristina Feller	I didn't quite understand that. Your hand's over your microphone.
02:37:35.60	Jimmy Galvez	Oh, I was reaching out to my colleagues who asked you to speak to our approach with the Bayway Commission as well.
02:37:47.45	Unknown	Thank you.
02:37:49.44	Jimmy Galvez	Thank you.
02:37:49.45	Sebastian Birch	Yeah, so our exhibits use different... Um, elevations of sea level rise than the maps that Bay Wave uses. It all comes down to the question of I don't know. Which risk number are you using and what year projection are you considering? And so... some of the guidance we'll kind of use the 10 inch, 20 inch, 60 inch guidance. which are the high risk for non-adaptable projects. In this case, we're using numbers from the same data set but we're using the likely risk values which is where Thank you. the which is what kind of our four scenarios on our last slide. Thank you. predicted the levels. And so the challenge comes from I'm not sure. Picking the sea level rise is a helpful number, but once you get down into the site-specific considerations, it matters kind of how long and what your time frame is the looking quickly at the Sausalito information that's available on the online. It's using the same data set, it's using the LPC 2018, both for its numbers of sea level rise and its guidance as to what types of projects would apply, would be considered adaptable or low risk like this project and our sub should be guided by a lower level of sea level rise than a higher level of sea level ice. And so there seems to be general performance. We'll definitely want to reach out to to get specifics on are there subsidence concerns that are more significant than what the site specific geotechnical evaluations had shown? Just to confirm that there's not some really significant regional effects that might change the calculus on what is a safe finished floor elevation and at what point does this structure start floating? I think it's a good thing. So we'll wanna double check that, but generally speaking, based on the site, specific information we have from the geotechnical engineer, the subsidence is kind of treated with a similar adaptation strategy to sea level rise. which is I At some point in the long term future of this structure during large storm events, we'll start to see it floating. And in the longer term, you start looking at more repeat incidences where the structures start floating. So it doesn't seem to be a very significant strategic change to the adaptation strategy. So we'll... we'll reach out to her and just double check that there's another site-specific information That's not considered.
02:40:43.70	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Yeah, I think it's, as we asked before, and we asked it for a reason, it's really critical to have this model through the Sausalito Sea Level Rise and Subsidians Task Force and the city GIS maps. The city has a license for it. It's really important to be done, and this is something that is applied now to all projects in our higher risk zones, which is identified through that process, which is why we asked for it before. It's just, it's really important. And the good news, bad news about this project is that you're one of the first ones. So you get to be a leader, but again, you've gotta get through doing that. Um, I'm willing to consider crafting some kind of condition to require this for signing a working group of the commission to ensure that this is followed through on. Cecilia, I think we were pretty clear the last time this is something that should have been completed before this came back to us. So we just need to be mindful that we are actually doing what we say we're doing here and being fair to all applicants and apply the same standard equally. So,
02:42:09.28	Kristina Feller	Any thoughts from the commissioners about crafting a condition about this, since this is moving into our public policy requirements? Any objection or any thoughts about it? support.
02:42:26.42	Nastassya Saad	Would the condition be... I'm just trying to wrap my head around. I'd be in support of it. I'd actually, I'd love to see us be able to work this through tonight, but what I'm not sure I'm following is the language around the condition, would it be if the sea level, the task force doesn't agree with what's been presented? Or how would we, what are you thinking? And maybe I can... get into my frame of mind.
02:42:58.13	Kristina Feller	Yeah, so what I'm thinking is, you know, and there's a reason that they've been working on this for over a year, is this project needs to be modeled through the city's comprehensive GIS. So it's actually more robust than BayWave, which is why BayWave wants it, why Christian wants it. So what I'm looking for is to ensure that we have that, and that would be a condition that they would need to produce that. as part of the documentation for a demo and building permit. to make sure, again, we want this to be a successful viable project. We're not, you know, this is not just a rope roadblock. This is to have all your checks and balances in place from day one. And so, unless that task force finds anything alarmingly wrong, then we have those data points, we have that information and it's confirmed through the expertise of that platform that the city owns now. THAT THIS PROJECT IS A-OK AND READY TO GO. And we don't have that now. And we should have had that now. And I just want to make sure that we are thorough and that the applicant is thorough moving forward as well. So I'm suggesting language around that.
02:44:27.67	Nastassya Saad	I would definitely be in support of that.
02:44:32.29	Kristina Feller	OKAY. ANY OTHER? OKAY. MR. GRAFF, THANK YOU. MR. LUXENBURG, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT?
02:44:33.29	Nastassya Saad	Yeah.
02:44:39.04	Maria	No.
02:44:39.30	Andrew Junius	Thank you.
02:44:39.82	Kristina Feller	Vice Chair.
02:44:43.16	Andrew Junius	Yeah, I mean, I'm a little confused myself. I think I heard the applicant speak to the fact that we're all looking at the same data set. I was frankly kind of stunned at the level of detail that they brought to the table this time, the actual survey of the site, the using of the California data set that I think I heard the applicant speak to that that's what Sausalito uses as well. So. I'm certainly not an expert on sea level rise, I'm more than comfortable that they've presented the data and they have the engineers and they've got the know-how to make sure this deals with sea level issues in the decades to come. But that said, I'd like to get this moving tonight.
02:45:21.89	Kristina Feller	Well, part of that is absolutely correct. I mean, Marin Maps is used for the base or part of the data sets for both. The Sausalito sea level rise is actually just more robust than the county, and it takes the subsidence piece more into consideration because Sausalito is unique and it had to. And so that's why I want to make sure that we're bulletproof here and that the applicants bulletproof here and I'm not suggesting that we're holding this up I'm suggesting that that's part of our condition of approval that they work through that and perform that, and that they have that done. And that's also important that we have that data set as the city. So I think it's, I actually think it's pretty important. And it's consistent with what we asked for at the last hearing.
02:46:15.45	Andrew Junius	I would just want to be clear that if the applicant understands what that request is and can deal with it as a condition of approval of that. I'd like to hear from the applicant.
02:46:26.44	Kristina Feller	Okay. Matt, want to address that?
02:46:29.03	Jimmy Galvez	Thank you. I think we're happy to go to the task force and check make sure that we're, as Sebastian mentioned, that there's no other element that we're not considering, like I mentioned. We do have a geotechnical study that shows site-specific investigation that makes no reference to subsidence, and does make reference to settlement. And so I think maybe a question I would like to ask in terms of working towards that condition is where is the where do we balance, well, how do we balance the site-specific data that we have versus with any elements, whether it's city, county, or
02:47:20.71	Kristina Feller	How do you balance it from what's the point? What your safety factors are in the structural? I don't understand the question.
02:47:28.94	Jimmy Galvez	Well, from the perspective of we, I guess what I'm trying to describe is we have site-specific investigation, right, that provides detailed criteria of design parameters that we've been accounting for during the building permit, And so...
02:47:46.90	Unknown	Thank you.
02:47:47.83	Jimmy Galvez	Thank you. I would imagine in at some point. is those design parameters of site specific parameters would have to in site specific studies uh, WOULD OVERTAKE ANY OTHER modeling or databases.
02:48:07.28	Andrew Junius	Yeah, that's kind of my point. It's like, to the extent that any Sausalito models or data set are for the entire Sausalito waterfront on it as a general proposition. This team has already been to the site. They've done what it looks like detailed surveys and analysis of the exact contours and the elevations and then they've been able to do use these databases about sea level rise for the various risk levels and the timeframe we're looking at, which is 30, 60, 90, 100 years. I mean, surprised if the Sausalito database has anything at that level for this location. So that's kind of why I'm confused as to what more the Sausalito task force can provide to this site.
02:48:55.41	Kristina Feller	Well, there are two different issues. Geotechnical is usually providing you the data that you need to design the proper foundations and foundation systems to a building. modeling with a more robust model than what Bay Wave has. It's sort of why we asked them to do that the last time. And I think it's important to do because the different considerations than just sea level rise. and the model models that. And geotechnical is just absolute information. It's not a modeling for probability factors. You do probability factors on maybe structure or weight or foundation systems or what's better, but the model provides something completely different. That's why I asked for it last time. That's why I'm interested in it this time. If I'm alone in this, then I'm alone in this. But again, I'm trying to make sure that we are thorough here and responsive to what our last public hearing was and this was part of that. And if there's some monumental reason not to do this, then I haven't heard it yet, but I'm all ears. the Salsito database is more robust than any other database for modeling. And I just want to make sure that this is bulletproof.
02:50:25.79	Kristina Feller	but I might be one of five here that thinks that. and that is not the first time that's happened.
02:50:34.95	Andrew Junius	I guess my concern is that if we're, you know, I think you probably know more than all of us put together about this issue, but to the extent that The applicant seems to be not sure, again, how they take the site-specific data that they've created that they're comfortable with, I am comfortable with it, my limited understanding. run it through another model and and and verify that that Yeah, it just seems confusing to me and I apologize if I'm just missing something.
02:51:06.34	Kristina Feller	No, I think these things are important to clarify and talk about. If the applicant is still unclear, then I definitely wanna hear that too. We're asking you to, you know, consistently with last time to go through this step. And we think that it's, I think it's important, I think it's important. That's why we've made such an effort to put it in place in Sausalito. Otherwise, we would just defer to the county, but the county is not robust enough. That's why we're doing it. That's why the city has invested quite a lot of money in happiness. So that's where I fall, but I'm happy to consider other people's perspectives on this.
02:51:53.17	Nastassya Saad	I think in an effort to move us forward and maybe not belabor it, I'm hearing that the applicant is open to it. AND I WOULD DEFINITELY BACK YOU CHAIR FELLER. It is a more robust system. that combined with what has been presented tonight, I think would be PUTTING YOUR APPLICATION IN A AND I THINK WE'D ALL FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. I think it'd be doing the due diligence that's, that's required. So, THE FAMILY. WE CAN KEEP GOING AROUND HERE, BUT I THINK WHERE THERE'S some general consensus that You're not opposed. SO IF SO, WE MIGHT WANT TO START TO MOVE TOWARDS A CONDITION unless there's a hard no coming from the applicant.
02:52:40.37	Matt	We are definitely not opposed and would be happy to run through the due diligence.
02:52:48.84	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Luxenberg, any more thoughts on this? Thank you.
02:52:54.31	Jeffery Luxenberg	No, I mean, just a general comment that it would have been better to have this before rather than trying to, this is something hard to put the language in for conditions, so it would have been better to resolve it before the fact, and only because I know the architect of the Yes and His Future projects, and I know he does, that he can get that into account.
02:53:20.43	Kristina Feller	Yeah, I... I agree. Vice Chair Junius, I know you might not be fully comfortable with this.
02:53:28.08	Andrew Junius	I guess I'm still just kind of, you know, if I, I'm just speaking for myself, I got a feeling if they kind of would clear on what they were supposed to do the last time they would have done it. They probably, maybe they thought they did what they were supposed to do, or they, they went beyond that. It just seems to me that I guess I've got to start setting up on the Sustainability Commission model and all this stuff, but if there was something that they clearly needed to do and should have done it, I get that. I wasn't clear on that. When they were going through the presentation that they provided on the sea level rise stuff, I'm pretty impressed. It made a lot of sense to me. They were using data sets I've heard of. that I'm familiar with. And it's hard to imagine that that what they've done is so out of step with what Saltileto's done. But, you know, again, I'm I'm just a little lost, but I'd like to move it forward with whatever condition the applicant can understand and agree to.
02:54:24.76	Kristina Feller	I'm going to go. Commissioner Graff, any final thoughts?
02:54:30.72	Richard Graef	Well, um... Thank you. I certainly wouldn't oppose somebody crafting a condition that Thank you. requirements they can care of. It's a very good thing. I think this is a... a kind of a prototype project. And I think, you know, it really needs to be done right. And I don't know enough about the sea level rise and subsidence issues to be able to comment on them except that I think it's not unreasonable to ask that they just conform to whatever our standards are here in town. And I think we can condition that somehow. Um, Otherwise, I think the only other condition might be that Um... the architect uh, specify a slightly lighter, slightly warmer cone on the wood siding on the building. Those are the only things that would stop me from Okay. for voting to move ahead.
02:55:52.81	Kristina Feller	Okay. The Press. Thank you.
02:55:55.90	Jeffery Luxenberg	Yeah, in order to move this ahead, I suggest we do what we did on 4th Street, which is we created a two-person working group to work with the applicant on the color, since I think they need to study it, and I think we'd better be able to approve it, subject to that coming back later, since we won't know exactly who that color is tonight. We did that on another project, but I think we could do that here as well.
02:56:19.76	Barry Peterson	Thank you.
02:56:20.17	Kristina Feller	Okay. Um, I'm certainly fine with that. Cecilia, can you walk us through the conditions that we've amended so far so we know where we are and the applicant has the benefit of hearing those?
02:56:34.59	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Yes, Chair, I believe Commissioner Luxenberg suggested making changes to two of the conditions. One of them was to be sure that the conditions were also on the demolition permit, as well as the construction permit. Any project changes or to come back to the planning commission for review? Um... Then it was a third one.
02:57:08.06	Jeffery Luxenberg	But just to help you, I think the chair said that there would be no demolition permit issued prior to the building permit.
02:57:14.99	Kevin Rahman	Correct.
02:57:17.80	Kristina Feller	Okay.
02:57:18.03	Jeffery Luxenberg	And we want a clarification on the Monterey Cypress trees.
02:57:18.08	Kristina Feller	.
02:57:24.31	Kristina Feller	Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming Southern Moon Fire will already have to go through, they'll have to go through the plan check, but let's try to flag that early so the applicant is not wasting their time Thank you.
02:57:37.17	Cecilia Jaroslawski	from. Thank you. We could have a condition that plans that would not be permitted by the the rain fire can be used.
02:57:48.95	Kristina Feller	Yeah, if it's on their acceptable list, that's fine. OK. Yeah, of course.
02:57:53.47	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay.
02:57:57.92	Kristina Feller	Okay, and then. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE ADD A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WHO HAS ALREADY INDICATED THEY'RE WILLING TO DO SO. TOUCH BASE WITH THE SALS LIDO C-LEVEL ALIGNED AND SUB SIGNS TASK FORCE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHO'S HEADING THAT NOW, BUT CAST GREEN IS REALLY THE, THE, THE, the guru, let's say, or the right person to speak to about the modeling, and let's get this modeled properly. Okay. And I can assign a working group to work with you or CDB and the applicant to handle anything related to the modeling and the coloring, whatever the exterior color or finish is. So there's no need to come back here to the commission.
02:59:01.15	Cecilia Jaroslawski	And what would you, what specifically would you like to see from the subsidence task force is documentation that they're working with them?
02:59:08.93	Kristina Feller	It needs to be modeled, then you need the modeling results to be more comprehensive.
02:59:11.82	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Thank you.
02:59:12.19	Mary Wagner	Thank you. THE END OF THE END OF THE
02:59:15.31	Kristina Feller	Nothing.
02:59:16.36	Mary Wagner	Chair Feller, if I may make a suggestion to the condition that you say prior to issuance of the building permit, applicant shall submit the information showing that they've complied with that requirement, that they've worked with the task force, I don't have the exact name, to do the modeling, and that that modeling is part of the packet then, right? So there'll be some kind of report that can be submitted, right? So I don't know that we need a task force. Certainly appreciate the willingness to do the extra work and I would look to your community development director to jump in here too. But I think you could impose a condition on building permit issuance that says prior to issuance of the building permit, applicants shall submit documentation reasonably acceptable to the community development director indicating that they have had this modeling performed and that modeling is included as part of the record.
02:59:38.50	Kristina Feller	THE
02:59:43.06	Unknown	Yeah. Yeah.
03:00:10.53	Director Horter	Those conditions have to be on the building permit application and planning reviews those building permit applications to the conditions of approval. So we can definitely redline that and circle it and make sure the documentation is with the application.
03:00:26.02	Kristina Feller	I have no objection to that. Anyone else have a comment? Thank you.
03:00:30.02	Jeffery Luxenberg	We do need the working group on the colony.
03:00:32.26	Kristina Feller	Yeah, we'll do it on the color, but yeah. But that's a good suggestion, Mary, thank you. I think we should. incorporate that. AND THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR Cecilia on exactly the submission that we've received tonight. or with the link with all the various dates and pieces and parts. That is what we are approving this evening. And any, any. changes to this project. other than the color. needs to come back to the commission and shouldn't be handled ministerially.
03:01:14.45	Kristina Feller	So, um. First and foremost, any other comments from the commissioners? I'm just looking for a show of hands. Not even as infected.
03:01:26.40	Mary Wagner	Chair, when appropriate, point of clarification on your last comment about the changes to an approved project. So you're saying that the provisions of the municipal code, the zoning ordinance that allow for ministerial changes to an approved project is not applicable to this project? That the commission has considered every aspect of this project and that therefore any modification would have to come back to the commission?
03:01:49.77	Kristina Feller	Yeah.
03:01:52.13	Mary Wagner	Thank you.
03:01:53.13	Kristina Feller	with this project, yes.
03:01:58.31	Richard Graef	I would just ask what would be the nature of this modification that you're talking about? Would that be structural in response to the modeling. for example.
03:02:10.39	Kristina Feller	Well, I think what we're trying to avoid is we put this condition on many other projects. And what we're trying to avoid is the creep. in the ministerial approval, knowing full well that you also have potentially. and you still have a houseboat on this property. Um, THAT IS NOT BEING TOUCHED CURRENTLY UNDER THIS APPLICATION. And so we want to be mindful of the larger picture here. And so we've done this on a number of other projects. So I'm not viewing this as any different to that.
03:02:52.06	Kristina Feller	Um, so if there are no other comments i want to ask the applicant before we we take any action here if if you have any questions on any of the conditions or comments that you've heard here and uh we will assign two commissioners as a working group to work with you and your team to finalize the color color that will not come back here to a commission hearing. We'll assign that to a working group if you're okay with that.
03:03:30.02	Matt	We are okay with that. And I think the conditions are clear. My only question with accepting or using our current plan set that you're viewing today. If we do go back and find out that moderate Cypress or any of our other trees or plants are on that South Marin fire districts, plans not to use less. Are we able to change that without coming back to this? Like, are we able to swap out a tree type without coming back to the planning commission?
03:04:02.81	Kristina Feller	as long as it's acceptable to Southern Marine Fire, then that's acceptable to the commission. identify anything that they would not have or approve.
03:04:18.84	Richard Graef	I have a question regarding that. and, um, We didn't get into it, but it has to do with the size and maturity of the trees that would be brought in Um, So Thank you. and I don't remember any specifications about those, but although they're probably there, So what we don't want is some change that means that they have to bring in trees that might be really small and take forever to grow or something like that. as long as the any substitute trees are proposed that they're within the intent of the Alaska plan and, and of, uh, uh, size of trees and so on. So maybe that can be done ministerially, but I am a little concerned that it doesn't go sideways somehow.
03:05:26.31	Kristina Feller	Do you want to propose something about that? Thank you.
03:05:31.15	Richard Graef	Well, I just wanted to bring it up. You know, it might... it might complicate the conditions. I mean, right now the conditions just mean that uh, trees suitable to Southern Marin fire have to be specified. Um, So, in my mind, It's not very specific. Not quite sure how to. how to articulate it in terms of be in town. Um, something to the effect that the size and maturity of the of any trees proposed as substitutions MR. match the intent of the original landscape plan. something to that effect.
03:06:32.21	Kristina Feller	I'm fine with that.
03:06:35.40	Richard Graef	Thank you.
03:06:35.63	Matt	Thank you.
03:06:37.25	Kristina Feller	Matt looks like he's shaking his head. You're looking at that?
03:06:40.37	Matt	That would be our hope if we did have to make a substitution, just to keep with the size and intent. Yeah, you would want to do that. Right. Yeah, exactly.
03:06:49.70	Kristina Feller	Okay.
03:06:49.96	Matt	Thank you.
03:06:50.03	Jeffery Luxenberg	I'll give it.
03:06:51.46	Kristina Feller	Commissioner Luxenberg?
03:06:53.23	Jeffery Luxenberg	Compared with that, I think that is straightforward.
03:06:57.74	Kristina Feller	Mr. Saad? Good with that. Vice Chair.
03:07:02.09	Jeffery Luxenberg	Thank you.
03:07:02.11	Kristina Feller	about them. All right. Any other final? thoughts or comments, and Cecilia, if you want to run through what you have to make sure that it's clear.
03:07:17.89	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Yes, Chair, let's see. Substitute trees must match the intent of the original plan. size, size, I'm sorry. by the original landscape plan. Um... prior to issuance of building permits, of the applicant show self-sabdic documentation of working with the, um, I'm sorry, the task force. the sea level task force model. And that will be on the plans as well. I don't know. The task force will be working directly with the applicant regarding color of the structure.
03:08:08.34	Kristina Feller	Well, it's a working group. a working group. a subgroup of the commission, yeah?
03:08:14.06	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay. Any changes to the department?
03:08:17.61	Richard Graef	It's very exciting.
03:08:20.97	Cecilia Jaroslawski	I'm sorry, the siding?
03:08:22.42	Richard Graef	siding, color of the siding, yeah, probably more accurate.
03:08:27.07	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Okay, and then any changes to the project are to be reviewed by the Planning Commission. the See you down low. And the new construction. permits are to are tied together. I just, I'm writing really quick here. I think that's a good question.
03:08:47.51	Kristina Feller	Thank you. Well, the demo permit won't be issued until
03:08:49.81	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Thank you.
03:08:54.01	Kristina Feller	Thank you. the building.
03:08:54.44	Cecilia Jaroslawski	Right. Right. And so the building firm has been submitted, yeah.
03:08:58.41	Kristina Feller	Yeah.
03:08:59.74	Cecilia Jaroslawski	And I think that's it.
03:09:02.02	Unknown	Thank you. Okay.
03:09:02.70	Mary Wagner	Dr. Feller, if I may, and I apologize for jumping in again, but I think it's really important given all the hard work you've put into these conditions that we get it right. AND I THINK THAT'S A I think what I heard you say is, you know, change every change has to come back unless you provided that it can be modified within the condition itself. Because, as you said, the trees can change if Southern Run Fire agrees to that. The siding color is going to change, but it's going to change with the approval of the working group.
03:09:29.60	Unknown	Yeah.
03:09:29.82	Mary Wagner	I just wanted to make that one point and on the signing, it is that the signing will be in the color agreed upon by the working group. And then on the report, that modeling that's going through the task force, it's my understanding that there's a document produced, correct? And that doc, it's not that the plans are modified, but that document is produced and included as part of the public record. So it's that the applicant will submit that
03:09:54.76	Maria	Thank you.
03:09:54.77	Kristina Feller	So.
03:09:58.25	Mary Wagner	documents. prior to issuance of the building permit.
03:10:02.55	Kristina Feller	Yeah.
03:10:02.91	Mary Wagner	And we can work with you, Chair Feller, or maybe it's Ms. Green on the title of the document so that we get it right.
03:10:10.97	Kristina Feller	Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. It's basically, yeah, it's like a report. Thanks. Yeah, that's fine. We can work with Cass on that.
03:10:21.52	Cecilia Jaroslawski	And this report will be reviewed by the planning department.
03:10:26.26	Kristina Feller	Yeah, it'll be submitted with all the documentation required for the demo and building permits.
03:10:34.95	Mary Wagner	Thank you. It's just an informational item, correct, Chair Feller? It's not, nothing gets modified based upon this modeling.
03:10:35.58	Kristina Feller	THE END OF
03:10:42.80	Unknown	Thank you.
03:10:43.93	Jeffery Luxenberg	Chair Feller, I just want to clarify, because I thought you had indicated that we would not issue a demo permit, so we've issued a building permit. And I heard a nuance of that, which was different. I think that's the intent, but-
03:10:59.29	Kristina Feller	No, I think what you're saying is what I said. I agree with that.
03:11:03.69	Jeffery Luxenberg	Okay, because what I heard a second ago was we won't issue a demo permit for the building permits been submitted. It's actually been the building permits been issued. Issued. Thank you.
03:11:14.44	Unknown	issue. Thank you.
03:11:15.91	Richard Graef	you I just have one other clarification Um, So they're gonna go through the exercise of doing a modeling and communicating with the, um, um, keep forgetting their name. But anyway.
03:11:40.82	Kristina Feller	There's a civil horizon subsidence task force. They're gonna go ahead and coordinate it with them and the...
03:11:49.17	Richard Graef	In the event that that might trigger some Trans. like structural change, foundational change or something. Is that the kind of change that would be managed ministerially or is that going to be I've found change. So we'd have to bring it back to the Commission.
03:12:12.69	Kristina Feller	That's a pretty major change that should come back to this commission. That's why we have this written into public policy for consideration. That's why this task force was put together. And that's why, That's why it's like the landslide task force here. Had all these recommendations, including municipal code, ordinance changes, heightened design reviews, all these sorts of things. And that's where we are with the sea level rise. So that's a pretty major change.
03:12:48.89	Richard Graef	Yeah, well, hopefully, or maybe they won't have to change anything. Maybe they've got all their bases covered.
03:12:54.49	Kristina Feller	Yeah, but we would all rather know now than Right.
03:12:57.93	Richard Graef	Right. Thank you.
03:12:58.81	Unknown	Thank you.
03:12:58.83	Richard Graef	Yeah.
03:12:58.96	Unknown	They are.
03:12:59.17	Richard Graef	Thank you.
03:12:59.20	Unknown	Thank you.
03:13:00.77	Kristina Feller	Okay, so I think we're set. Any other final comments? or edits, okay, I'm ready to take a motion.
03:13:10.47	Jeffery Luxenberg	I'll make a motion that we approve DRCUPD DR 2019 DAF 00284 approval of design permit, conditional use permit, endurance to demolish and an existing one-story single-family resident construct a one-story New one story single family residence model existing a frame structure located at 52 Florida landing road subject to all of the additional conditions spelled out, including, do you want me to list those or just assume we have them at this point? Should I make a stab at listing them, Chair Feller?
03:13:45.13	Unknown	Thank you.
03:13:49.07	Kristina Feller	I think Cecilia just did.
03:13:51.28	Jeffery Luxenberg	Okay. All right, so for all those changes, that's the motion. All right.
03:13:59.36	Director Horter	Thank you.
03:14:00.32	Kristina Feller	Great, thank you. Dan, can you take the roll call?
03:14:03.43	Director Horter	.
03:14:03.63	Kristina Feller	The fraud?
03:14:04.62	Director Horter	Yes. Commissioner Grau. Yeah. Commissioner Luxenberg? Thank you.
03:14:09.20	Andrew Junius	else.
03:14:09.60	Director Horter	Thank you. Vice Chair Junius?
03:14:11.44	Andrew Junius	Yes.
03:14:12.76	Director Horter	Chair Feller?
03:14:13.62	Kristina Feller	Yes.
03:14:14.43	Director Horter	Motion carries.
03:14:16.13	Kristina Feller	Great, thank you very much. Thank you, Cecilia.
03:14:20.49	Director Horter	Thank you.
03:14:20.52	Matt	Thank you.
03:14:21.62	Kristina Feller	Thank you, Matt.
03:14:22.90	Matt	Bye.
03:14:23.91	Kristina Feller	Good luck. It would be a great project. Okay, moving on to item seven. Time to adjourn for the evening. So I'll vote in favor.
03:14:32.94	Unknown	Bye.
03:14:33.01	Magda	Thank you.
03:14:33.02	Unknown	Thank you.
03:14:33.04	Magda	adjourned.
03:14:33.62	Unknown	Thank you.
03:14:35.03	Magda	Uh,
03:14:35.15	Kristina Feller	.
03:14:35.24	Unknown	Bye.
03:14:35.35	Director Horter	Hi.
03:14:35.61	Kristina Feller	Bye.
03:14:35.67	Magda	Thank you.
03:14:35.69	Unknown	Thank you.
03:14:35.73	Director Horter	Thank you.
03:14:35.88	Kristina Feller	Right.
03:14:36.03	Unknown	Thank you.
03:14:36.13	Magda	Bye.
03:14:36.25	Unknown	you
03:14:36.25	Director Horter	you
03:14:36.32	Magda	Amen.
03:14:36.33	Unknown	Thank you. Hi, buddy.
03:14:37.24	Barry Peterson	Hi, buddy.
03:14:37.97	Director Horter	Thank you. You always say it like it's a surprise. Bye, guys.
03:14:38.27	Unknown	Thank you.
03:14:38.29	Magda	Thank you.
03:14:38.31	Unknown	Thank you.
03:14:43.34	Unknown	Bye.
03:14:43.39	Director Horter	Bye. See you everybody.