| Time | Speaker | Text |
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| 00:01:25.91 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 00:01:26.09 | David Marlatt | Thank you. |
| 00:01:26.84 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. see a long agenda. |
| 00:01:28.61 | David Marlatt | It's been a tough night. Okay. Tough night. Pretty good. |
| 00:01:32.56 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Exactly. |
| 00:01:40.25 | Nastassya Saad | Good evening, everybody. I'd like to call the July 22nd Planning Commission meeting to order. Acting Director Mandich. |
| 00:01:53.28 | Matthew Mandich | Good evening, Chair Saad, Vice Chair Marlott, and Planning Commissioners, staff and members of the public, Excuse me, sorry, there's a little bit of feedback. I'm hearing some double |
| 00:02:05.89 | Unknown | But. |
| 00:02:06.10 | Matthew Mandich | No, all good. Okay, excuse me. Sorry. I'll just start over good evening chair sauce vice chair Marlott planning commissioner staff and members of the public. This evening this evening's meeting is being held at city of Sausalito's Council Chambers at 420 Litho Street and is open to members of the public members of the public may also access this meeting and provide public comment via zoom. |
| 00:06:39.39 | Matthew Mandich | on the item. So I just wanted to draw a commissioner's attention to those reports so they can make sure and read those and get up to speed on what's going on with that initiative that will be on the ballot in November. |
| 00:06:40.00 | Andrew Junius | items. So I just wanted to |
| 00:06:51.07 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. Thank you for calling that out. Um, Does anybody have any communications this evening? |
| 00:06:58.26 | Fred Moore | Not a lot of any communications, but I was going to follow up on the RFPs for the MLK site and the corporation yard. I thought I read that they were going to be sometime available this week for the commission. Has that changed or am I confused? |
| 00:06:58.62 | Nastassya Saad | to the community. |
| 00:07:11.78 | Matthew Mandich | No, you're not confused. That may have been the case. There has been some things that have come up this last week, city structure, organization, et cetera. So we've had to push our schedule out a little bit on the RFPs. We were supposed to meet with the school district and the committee this week, the evaluation committee. However, due to some things going on outside of our control, we had to push. I think we're going to have the school board meeting next week now. So those will become available as soon as we've had time to vet all the evaluations, meet with the evaluation committee, meet with the school board and continue down through the process. So hopefully soon we'll keep you posted, but yeah, apologies on any delays that are occurring there, but we need to continue to work through some issues of the leadership and get everything under control before we're able to release all of those to the public. |
| 00:08:01.22 | Fred Moore | So what is the process after you go through all the steps that you need to go through? Can you explain to the public, like, what will happen? Will these be posted? Will these be presented to the commission, posted for the public, or what will happen? |
| 00:08:13.94 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah, so we're going to meet with the school board first, then we have a subsequent meeting with the evaluation committee, then we're going to meet with each individual developer and then we're going to do some public meetings with community members to chime in on their proposals after at that point in time, the proposals and the evaluations will be made public. I don't have a specific timeline for you on all that right now. I'm sorry. |
| 00:08:35.56 | Fred Moore | So the public meetings, once you go through the process and you determine the RFPs now are acceptable, then you're going to have public comment, like an open form, or is it going to be a public comment through the Planning Commission or through the City Council? |
| 00:08:50.75 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah, so we'll have kind of like a town hall meeting type situation where we'll invite people to come in person and also via Zoom if they want to be similar. to, you know, a council or commission meeting, however, not as formal. There won't be anyone up on the dais. We have to pick out a location for these might be in that room at the Spinnaker on the side or something along those lines, similar to what we did for, you know, the whole RFP evaluation process of setting up, you know, how we were going to, you know, work on site 84 and all that. So it'll follow some kind of similar format. Again, we'll release details on that when they're available. |
| 00:09:24.92 | Fred Moore | Last question, I promise. So once all those public forums occur, |
| 00:09:32.50 | Fred Moore | Where does the decision making fall with respect to whether or not you're going to make any changes to the RF or the app, the applications under the RFPs? |
| 00:09:43.69 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah, I think I'm not exactly, don't have a 100% clear answer for you on that. But I believe that we'll be doing the evaluations and we're either going to make an, you know, accept one of the proposals or we're going to ask for more information. Or I think there's a world in which we would even re-release the RFP if we're not happy with any of the things, the proposals we received. However, I don't know how that's going to all work out logistically at this phase. I think we're still early on in the process. But I can. we received. However, I don't know how that's going to all work out logistically at this phase. I think we're still early on in the process, but I can certainly answer more on that next time. |
| 00:10:18.18 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you, Commissioner Moore. Any other communications? Okay. I don't have any either. So we're going to go ahead and open communications up for public comment. Going to look to the room, seeing none. Matthew, if you can please look to Zoom for me. |
| 00:10:36.00 | Matthew Mandich | Seeing none on Zoom, Chair. |
| 00:10:37.32 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much. So we'll close public comment on communications and we'll move on tonight to our study session. This is item six a, we have a study session for streets, sidewalks and parking in the city of Sausalito. Our director of public works, Kevin McGowan is here this evening, thank you very much for being here. And then we will have our principal planner, Matthew Mandich, acting director and Wayne Kwan, our parking manager as well come to present. Thank you. |
| 00:11:06.26 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:11:10.58 | Kevin McGowan | How's that? Okay, sorry. Good evening Chair Saad and members of the Planning Commission. I'm Kevin McGowan, Public Works Director for Sausalito. You folks had a few questions for me and staff. And we have a short presentation for you on each one of those items. And between Matthew and myself, I thought maybe it would be good if we went through each item one at a time. with the slides, and then kind of stop at one spot and say, okay, do you have questions on that? If that works for you as a council, or we can go ahead and move all the way through all the slides and you can ask your questions in the end. So it depends on what you prefer. |
| 00:11:48.82 | Nastassya Saad | I prefer your first suggestion. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. |
| 00:11:50.87 | Kevin McGowan | OK. That sounds great. I think you did cover already that Matthew's going to help me with the slides as well as Wayne Kwan from our from the police department, who's our parking manager. So with that, next slide, please. One of the first discussion items requested by the commission related to sidewalks and the use of Mexican pebble on sidewalks. I have a few slides on this as well, and I'll kind of walk through each one of these. I may end up asking you questions throughout the slide as well. So next slide. in downtown next to Bridgeway, Previous administrations have requested or required Mexican pebble to be used as a finish on the sidewalk. Thank you. And we still have that as part of our encroachment permit process, which I think you have a copy in your agenda package. So what does this mean? pebble initially for this type of a mix, you're going to have pebbles inside of the mix itself. And the way it generally works is they, Sometimes the mix gets more expensive depending upon where those pebbles come from. And what happens is they brush off some of the concrete in the end in order to have exposed aggregate basically on the surface. So in this picture, do you think that all of these have... Mexican pebble associated with them. Even the one on even though on this slide, you can't really see it too well with the. the sunlight peeking through the skylight. but there is a kind of a yellow tinge to one of those on the left-hand side. And the answer to you is yes, those are all Mexican pebbles. And so you get a varied degree of different colors, different shapes, and other things. Even the one in the very center is a is distinguished between the sidewalk as well as Vena del Mar. So the sidewalk has Mexican pebble and Vena del Mar, an older structure does not. So next slide, please. So why would we not use Mexican pebble as a surface? Anyone know that one? Well, you don't have to answer. I'll answer it anyway for you just to move things along. Surfaces exposed. The pebbles make the surface exposed to a slippery surface. And when it gets wet, which it certainly does here in town, especially during the summer months when you get a lot of fog, as well as in the winter, that can get a bit slippery. That's a bit of an issue. Now, we haven't had anybody who, I don't think we've had anybody who says they've tripped and fell. on the Mexican pebbles specifically. but it has been a concern for us in years past. Um, Also, the Mexican pebble is not recognized as a standard surface. Generally, if you go to state standards, you want to either have a brushed or a sand finish on your sidewalks. um, Do we have these? Are there other surfaces like I mentioned? So next slide, please. And the answer is yes, we do have other type of sidewalk surfaces. Most other sidewalks in the, in the, are on public stairs and in parking stalls are sand finishes. which is more recognized as a standard finish and less complicated to install and less expensive. The sand type finish was used on the Ferry Landside project, which we had received quite a few accolades about that surface because we had a difficult time matching the existing surface next to the ferry and trying to match the two. When you look at it out in the field, you'll see there still is a difference, but that's always a problem with concrete. It's hard to match what's there and been there for years versus something brand new you're putting in. Any idea why we would use different types of surfaces? And one of them's in the center there, which is accessible parking. So with accessible parking, we usually want to put those in with concrete because the elevation grades are very important for an accessible parking spot as well as an aisle. And in general, it's better to have it as a different color. Something that you can see better for those trying to park. So that one is shown next to asphalt, but it's a good representation of why you would have something a little lighter. Um, All right, let's go to the next slide. Can we do better with our consistency on sidewalks? Yep. We can't. And we got some sidewalks that are bright white. We have other ones that are broom finished in the city. It's been inconsistent. We could do a better job and we would try to do that. In addition, we want to be more progressive in the future. Sustainability is an issue. Concrete, the way it's made, it breaks up aggregates, a lot of greenhouse gases going into the atmosphere. there's been some new development in that we want to use recycled aggregate. That's a good idea. We also use additives such as the lamp black, and that is, um, I'm trying to remember what the other name for that is, but what happens with lamp black as we put it into the concrete mix, and then it decreases the strength. That could be an issue. but it also fades over time. And I hear that there are new additives that will make it better for the concrete color to better match. That's what we were trying to do with the Fairylandside project. Now, in addition to the Mexican pebble issue and to some other type of finishes, for exposed aggregate, what the contractor does is they float the silicate silicates or the concrete mix on top of the aggregate and just before it hardens they wash it off Where does that material go? In years past, they would wash it into the bay. It's not a lot, but on a bigger surface, that can be an issue. So for... Places like the Fairyland side, Moving away from that or vacuuming that up as they do that work would be very important. So we want to keep in mind that sustainability is an issue. The materials are an issue. And we're looking kind of progressively in the future to see if we can find some more ways to better improve our consistency here in town. So with that, I'm going to stop at that slide and ask, do you have questions and comments? |
| 00:18:36.60 | Nastassya Saad | Sidewalk, Mexican Pebble, questions, comments? Commissioner Moore? Sure. |
| 00:18:40.84 | Fred Moore | I'll start off. Appreciate very much the presentation as well as the presentation that you provided in our package. Obviously, it's very helpful for the public. I think most of us up here, hopefully, we were pretty much aware of this since we've been involved with all the process. I guess I'm going back to the comment that we could do better with matching and the differences. the picture you have up there is right in front of Smitty's clearly that is a glaring departure from the Mexican Pebble throughout the city. My issue has been why I brought it up is the goal of the city to maintain that salty appearance. And the type of sidewalk throughout downtown, throughout Caledonia, has a specific specific look same as the sidewalks on the side streets um new restaurant cultivar did an amazing job they used the mexican pebble matched it perfectly on both sides didn't seem to have an issue smitty's is a glaring mistake so one of the things you mentioned we could do a better job of consistency So I would you mentioned, we could do a better job of consistency. So I would say, how do we do a better job of consistency to avoid a situation like Smitty's? |
| 00:19:55.36 | Kevin McGowan | Would you like me to respond to that? |
| 00:19:57.01 | Fred Moore | the question, so sure. |
| 00:19:58.44 | Kevin McGowan | Sure. So remember that Mexican pebbles required on sidewalks next to Bridgeway. It's not necessarily required on Caledonia. Smitty's was an emergency work project. It had to be done to remove the trees because it was pushing up the sidewalk. We could have done better by adding more lamp black into it and putting a sand finish on it. That's what I probably would have done if I paid more attention to this and wasn't busy with other stuff. So yes, we'll pay more attention to it. |
| 00:20:27.69 | Fred Moore | Caledonia has Mexican Pueblo, even though it may or may not be required. So the existing sidewalk there is consistent with downtown. So... Thank you. I appreciate the fact that you were overwhelmed at that time with other things going on and the emergency. Totally understand that. So going forward, what do you suggest that we do to avoid that? |
| 00:20:50.05 | Kevin McGowan | I just answered that. |
| 00:20:51.65 | Fred Moore | just do a better job or is it different process? |
| 00:20:54.10 | Kevin McGowan | I don't believe that it's necessary to put Mexican Pebble on this section of roadway unless the council tells us so. We could have done a better job by putting a sand finish on that as more of a standard and to make it look better. |
| 00:21:07.14 | Fred Moore | but the rest of the street, you agree, the rest of the street is Mexican Pebbles. So I didn't just- |
| 00:21:11.82 | Kevin McGowan | I do not agree that the rest of the street is Mexican pebble. |
| 00:21:16.27 | Fred Moore | is it? |
| 00:21:16.52 | Kevin McGowan | Is the rest of the street like that? I didn't say that. Okay, Matt, that's a question. That's a new question. Councilman, I mean, excuse me, commissioners. I'm not making this presentation to get into arguments with you. I'm making a presentation. I've noted that we are trying to make progress in something like this that we could do a better job. If you would like me to go on trial and put me on questions like this, we can do that. But I don't think this is the right forum for it. |
| 00:21:35.96 | Fred Moore | I brought this. |
| 00:21:43.34 | Fred Moore | Well, the forum that I think is a situation of, as a planning commission, we're looking, part of our job is aesthetics in the city. Part of the things we get from the public is what the aesthetics look like. The sidewalk aesthetics is something that has been brought up by various people that I've talked to throughout the city. So this situation has been brought up as what the hell happened. So I'm not putting you on trial, but I think it's important. I'm not aware that the city council makes a direction on public improvement sidewalks like like this so if you say there's a different process in the future then i'm looking forward to that i've seen a number of violations on bridgeway as well when there's been a sand finish or something else i understand why the ferry landing was done the way it was done. It's closer match than this particular area. So I appreciate your comments and appreciate the information you've provided tonight. |
| 00:22:36.75 | Nastassya Saad | Okay, thank you, Commissioner Moore. Are there any follow-up questions? That was pretty robust. Does anyone have anything specific for the Mexican pebble? Thank you for that portion. Director McGowan, I think moving forward, because we're very interested in this presentation and we really do appreciate you being here, Let's just be mindful of how we're asking our questions. This is supposed to be informative, and I appreciate what you're trying to get to, Commissioner Moore, but I certainly don't want Director McGowan to... to feel uncomfortable with the way that we're asking you questions. So with that, if you could please go ahead, are you managing the slideshow? Thank you very much. Can you orient us to the next? topic is it for parking permits |
| 00:23:35.98 | Kevin McGowan | Yes, our next topic relates to parking permits. I'm wondering if Mr. Wayne Kwan can come up and talk to us a little bit about this issue. |
| 00:23:44.23 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much. |
| 00:23:50.41 | Wayne Kwan | Wayne Kwan, Good evening planning Commission, my name is Wayne Kwan with the Southdale Police Department, I am the parking programs manager. So this particular topic was brought to my attention by Director McGowan. We first of all, I'm going to provide some context with the current parking permits Within sauce layout. So currently, There are three zones that are identified in Sausselia, women's Sausselia that requires a residential permit. They are identified by See? S and Charlie, B as in Bravo, and H as in Henry. You can see the map on, it's not very clear, but you can kind of see the highlighted colors, the different colors, the first thing that differentiate the different zones. And so, The way it works is that During the day? Each of those zones are two hour parking is open to the public. if you're a resident, With a permit, you're exempt not to our time limit. However, after 6 p.m., is residential parking only. meaning, It's no parking to the public. either a residential permit or a guest permit is required. The reason for this was this was established back several years ago back in 2023, because there was a lot of, um, different needs. you had conflicting parking needs from the residents who originally complained that They come home from work in the evening and they couldn't park because all the parking was taken up by merchant customers. As you can see, the perfect example is the C-Zone, which is west of the Caledonia District, which is all the... perpendicular streets that run west of California street. And many of those streets are typically taken up by the public that's visiting restaurants, merchants, And so that's why we had to establish this particular residential zone to give priority to the residents. So that seemed to have worked pretty well. over the last several years. So that's the background regarding the Current residential parking zone permits. And I'll take some questions. |
| 00:26:13.74 | Nastassya Saad | Sure. Thank you very much. Um, Are there questions on the parking permits? Commissioner Luxenberg. |
| 00:26:19.63 | Jeffery Luxenberg | You just, given your presentation, I have one. The signs that I've seen in some of these areas say two-hour parking from like eight in the morning to six at night, except for a permit. They don't actually say that after six o'clock, it's only resident parking. So are you saying that the people that are now parking there without permits after six o'clock at night are subject to being ticketed? |
| 00:26:49.92 | Wayne Kwan | Yes, that is correct. That is what I'm saying. So on this particular sign, unfortunately, I don't have a picture, but there is actually two separate signage. There's the two hour definition that you mentioned between 7 a.m. And I think at 6 p.m. |
| 00:27:04.05 | Andrew Junius | And. |
| 00:27:07.47 | Wayne Kwan | But right below that, there is a separate sign that says no parking and it's in red. and it's no parking after 6 p.m. C, permanent exempt. So that's a smaller sign But that is posted. in |
| 00:27:23.03 | Jeffery Luxenberg | But that's not, let's take the area on the bottom of the picture, North Street and that. Are you saying that that's the case there also? You said for all of the permits. |
| 00:27:36.68 | Wayne Kwan | So that's a different zone. That's the H zone. Thank you. |
| 00:27:40.63 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Okay. |
| 00:27:40.65 | Wayne Kwan | So the H zone, it also has a two hour parking time limit. However... Um, There's no assumption after six. |
| 00:27:51.25 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Okay, that was my, I thought you were saying it applied to all three zones. Sorry, I apologize. I'm good now. Okay. |
| 00:27:54.98 | Nastassya Saad | Sorry. Yeah. Parking zone C definitely is the, you cannot park after 6 PM without a permit. Is that correct? |
| 00:28:06.50 | Jeffery Luxenberg | YES. |
| 00:28:06.79 | Nastassya Saad | I'm not sure. |
| 00:28:06.81 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:28:07.18 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah, and that's what has the signs, but you're correct. |
| 00:28:07.23 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah. |
| 00:28:07.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:28:09.13 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I was saying it applied to C, all three of them, but if it's only C, then I'm good. |
| 00:28:15.65 | Nastassya Saad | Can I ask a question? Can you remind us how many parking permits a single residence can obtain? Is there a limit or is there no limit on how many individual permits or guest permits you can have? |
| 00:28:27.65 | Wayne Kwan | Yes, I can answer that question. So currently, each household can obtain up to four residential permits and two guests. Thank you. |
| 00:28:37.77 | Nastassya Saad | Okay, thank you very much. Um, Questions for parking? Thank you. |
| 00:28:44.86 | Fred Moore | Yes. Yes. Go ahead. I appreciate all the work you did with the parking meters and sending out their codes for the people who had the cards. I mean, that was a lot of work and so I really appreciate that of doing that for everybody. With respect to the guest permits, like if I'm on one end of town and I want to visit somebody on the other end of town that has that limitation, does the household have to get a guest permit for me or do I get one because I know I'm going to visit them? |
| 00:29:11.59 | Wayne Kwan | The first rule is that you have to be a resident. So if you're not a resident within the C-Zone, you yourself would not be eligible to purchase either permit. So, The short answer to your question would be yes. The resident would be the one that purchased the guest permit, and they use it at their discretion. |
| 00:29:30.98 | Fred Moore | So to clarify, so other than the C zone, like in the south end of town, those areas after six o'clock, you can park there without getting ticketed. |
| 00:29:43.63 | Wayne Kwan | That is correct. So there is an exception to the rule. So in the south part of town, which is Old Town, which is pretty much Main Street, North Street, 2nd, 3rd. That section is an H permit zone. Um... were set a little bit differently for that zone. mainly because stated the word overwhelm after 6 p.m., with merchants, customers, there's not as prominent of a merchant demand out in that zone. It was more so established a two hour parking more so for transient folks, which is like the visitors of sauce Leo. Um, I think the history there is a lot of times, you know, we have visitors coming into Saus Leo they would look for parking. Whoa. Typically, people first look for free parking, and then they venture into paid parking. But what we notice is that a lot of transient folks would somehow navigate their way up into Old Town, park their car, for all day to visit the waterfront. So that was... kind of how that zone was established. |
| 00:31:01.73 | Fred Moore | But after six, you could park there without a two hour limit. without a guest person. |
| 00:31:07.25 | Nastassya Saad | for the age of age. |
| 00:31:07.89 | Fred Moore | Yeah. |
| 00:31:07.91 | Wayne Kwan | Yes, that's correct. So for the age zone, |
| 00:31:08.35 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah. |
| 00:31:11.99 | Wayne Kwan | the public can still park after 6 p.m. |
| 00:31:14.00 | Fred Moore | Yeah. Or residents, whatever, the other end of the town. So I know that the timing on the signs change, like on Caledonia, it used to be two hour parking up till six o'clock and then you could park for free. Magically, it changed to nine o'clock and I can't tell you how many people grabbed me and said, what the heck happened? So how was that decision made to change that two hour parking limit from six to nine? |
| 00:31:29.74 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:31:29.85 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:31:39.90 | Wayne Kwan | Yes, that time limit change was also recently changed. I'm not sure. |
| 00:31:49.61 | Nastassya Saad | There has to be a council... |
| 00:31:49.64 | Wayne Kwan | So, |
| 00:31:49.91 | Fred Moore | . |
| 00:31:50.94 | Wayne Kwan | Thank you. |
| 00:31:50.97 | Nastassya Saad | decision, is it not? Is that not a council decision on the timing for parking? |
| 00:31:56.95 | Fred Moore | That was my next question. |
| 00:31:57.98 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah. |
| 00:31:58.45 | Fred Moore | how that decision is made. |
| 00:32:02.16 | Wayne Kwan | That was made through a resolution |
| 00:32:04.20 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah, through a resolution at council, at city council. Correct. |
| 00:32:04.36 | Fred Moore | I'm not sure. |
| 00:32:07.58 | Wayne Kwan | Thank you. |
| 00:32:07.71 | Nastassya Saad | Bye. |
| 00:32:07.73 | Wayne Kwan | so Well, it started with engagement with the merchants. So, you know, many merchants, the Merchants Association kind of like approached us let me see if I can recall correctly. My recollection was, They needed more turnover of the spaces. You know, typically, so what happens is, before when it ended at six, someone could park at technically four and one and be there all night. You know? And that created capacity issues where, you know, people coming in for dinner at six, they had a hard time finding. So it was an engagement with the merchant associations they felt like they needed more turnover. So that was kind of like the context and background of the reason why we put that forward to change at 9 p.m. |
| 00:33:03.91 | Fred Moore | I assumed it was related to turnover for the restaurants on their best. But your answer is that the determination is done through a council resolution, not necessarily through your department. |
| 00:33:17.14 | Wayne Kwan | That is correct. |
| 00:33:17.96 | Fred Moore | Thank you. |
| 00:33:17.98 | Wayne Kwan | Thank you. |
| 00:33:18.03 | Fred Moore | Thank you. With respect to, there's a number of spots throughout the town in two situations. Red painted curbs on public streets, oftentimes in front of staircases. And then there's occasionally you'll find on these up in the hills, private streets, a handicap space. what's what's the process of how that occurs with respect to both these little red curbs of no parking and which some of them, I've heard different rumors how that occurs, and also the areas where it says handicap only. |
| 00:33:56.76 | Wayne Kwan | So I believe you're referring to the red boxes up in residential areas. So So the background there is, President would approach us and submit a complaint. Say, you know, Cars are always blocking my access to my property, whether it's a staircase or a door. And... One thing we have to remember is, you know, the streets within Sasslio are very complex. And the and the property lines are not very always easily identified. So, um, Yeah, so I think it was, It was implemented because to help make it a little easier for the homeowner to access their own property and their own house. |
| 00:34:47.54 | Fred Moore | Totally. |
| 00:34:47.87 | Wayne Kwan | Thank you. |
| 00:34:47.97 | Fred Moore | I don't know. |
| 00:34:48.03 | Wayne Kwan | It was, and all those requests went through the, |
| 00:34:48.04 | Fred Moore | It was. |
| 00:34:52.85 | Wayne Kwan | Traffic Commission. |
| 00:34:55.45 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 00:34:55.77 | Wayne Kwan | Thank you. |
| 00:34:55.86 | Kevin McGowan | Do you want to speak to it? Oh, that's for a sec. So between Wayne's department and ours, as well as fire on occasion and planning, we do have a traffic coordination committee. So if folks have a request to make changes to striping signage or other things such as what Wayne suggested, even accessible parking on occasion. they would need to submit something to the city, and we would review it as a group. and see if we would agree to making changes. The TCC doesn't meet every month. It's probably every third month, every quarter. until we gather enough information. On some of these, they do take a traffic engineer to review, and so we do pull in our on-call traffic. engineer as well. But we try to resolve them amongst ourselves. That's internally to see if it is appropriate to make that change. And then if it is, DPW will implement it on the roadway. |
| 00:35:50.75 | Fred Moore | That's a great explanation. Appreciate that. With respect to the handicap only on a public street, since that, I guess maybe I'm confused with the rules, but it's a public street. Now, parking spots have been removed because of requests. So what's the process for that to occur? |
| 00:36:10.48 | Kevin McGowan | Are you asking if a resident can request a accessible parking space or are you referencing something on Caledonia or its side street where there is a accessible parallel parking space? |
| 00:36:23.54 | Fred Moore | My question is specific to a side street in the hills where a handicap only designation of signage and blue striping has been added. |
| 00:36:33.61 | Kevin McGowan | Added. So it's exactly what Wayne suggested is that we try to help out our residents if they are handicapped in some way, shape or form, and they can show that to us without having a HIPAA violation type of thing, then we would want to try to accommodate them by putting in an accessible space for them. |
| 00:36:54.88 | Fred Moore | So when that person leaves the property, do you have a process to remove that handicap spot only because as Wayne already admitted, the street complexity of Sausalito is |
| 00:37:00.04 | Kevin McGowan | to go. Thank you. |
| 00:37:00.29 | Unknown | that's what I'm saying. |
| 00:37:08.86 | Fred Moore | extreme the lack of garages in many of the houses in the hills means parking on the street is at a premium such that you normally end up with a two-ray road becoming a one-ray road so when you have a handicap space there that even exacerbates the difficulty of navigating those streets when there's no room to have two cars pass. |
| 00:37:30.99 | Kevin McGowan | So is that a question? |
| 00:37:32.59 | Fred Moore | The question is, do you have a process in place to determine whether or not accessible that handicap only space is needed, depending on because you indicated that it was an individual driven request. So when that individual either leaves the city or passes on or no longer needs it, do you have a process to reevaluate that space to turn it back into public parking and free up the street for accessibility? |
| 00:37:58.70 | Kevin McGowan | It's a detailed question that I would need to look into about their application. I think there is some language within the application or the permit itself that requires them to notify us if they no longer need the space. |
| 00:38:12.97 | Fred Moore | And the last question is, so taking these public spaces for private use, is that something that has to go through the council or does that fall under your department and jurisdiction? |
| 00:38:23.16 | Kevin McGowan | You know, we're trying to help our residents out at this point in time. I don't not in my time have we brought it to the council, but we can if we need to. |
| 00:38:31.77 | Fred Moore | So it falls within your department. |
| 00:38:34.52 | Kevin McGowan | I think I answered that, that we are trying to help our residents out. I understand. If it's specifically said in the code that it's part of our department, I'm not aware of that. |
| 00:38:38.91 | Fred Moore | It is. |
| 00:38:44.39 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 00:38:49.20 | Nastassya Saad | Do you have any questions on parking? parking. Thank you very much for your time. We appreciate that. I think we get Mr. McGowan back, Director McGowan. |
| 00:39:01.01 | Kevin McGowan | All right, next slide, please. You had some questions about the Bridgeway median project, and more specifically, Napa to Johnson Street, the section that's been completed out in front. I have a few slides on this, and it's going to take some explanation. Next slide, please. So the section of Bridgeway from Napa to Johnson Street has seven intersections that are not controlled by a signal. Well, one of them is. That's the one at Johnson Street. Uh, But the rest of them are uncontrolled. They don't have a signal or a traffic control device, such as a roundabout. This particular section of roadway had one of the highest accident levels within the city as well as the county. In 2023, a safety study was completed by parametrics related to this section of roadway. The study did identify a significant number of accidents on this section of road. In addition, the study identified possible improvements to reduce accidents and provide safer crossings for pedestrians. This study can be found online on the city's website as well, and you can look at the acceptance of it in 2023 under the council meeting. Next slide, please. The report identified several options to improve safety characteristics in the area. These include, but we're not limited to removal of repetitive crosswalks on bridgeway, the installation of pedestrian refuge islands in the median. and the installation of bulbous to shorten pedestrian crossing distances and increase visibility of pedestrians and cyclists, excuse me, of pedestrians for cyclists and motorists. The report also identified additional improvements which were not pursued with the current projects but could be implemented in the future. These can include the little pictures that you see on the screen, such as a roundabout at Napa Street. In addition, there was another option in there to remove all the parking on the east side of the roadway in order to accommodate better cycling paths of travel or a, I think it's called a class two bike path. Next slide. Since the project has been basically completed, we've received a couple complaints from the public that the area looks over signed. Please keep Keep in mind that there are certain standards that need to be followed for the project to be in compliance with the California Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices called MUTCD. Regardless city staff have reached out to our traffic engineer to inquire if any modifications could be made to address the complaints related to over signage on this section of roadway. And again I apologize for the sunshine shining on it can't probably can't see it all. Next slide. Please. The first option that they mentioned had to do with Don't do anything. Just leave it the way it is because it's in compliance. So the, The way the project was designed include a sign in the center of the road which is 36 by 36 with rapid flashing beacons that is in compliance with MUTCD. Next slide, please. Another option that the consultant came up with was an alternative to reduce the size of these center signs to 30 by 30. Not a big change, but it's something. This is a slight difference, but may be perceived by the public as improving the view and the view of this section of roadway through Sausalito. This option also is in conformance with MUTCD requirements and state requirements. Next slide. All right, option three and four. came up that we were trying to push to remove these signs in the median altogether. And this third and fourth option would be to add additional signage on the side of the roadway and remove the PED sign in the median. However, keep right sign is still required in the median because you have a raised median there and the cars are going to hit it. So really, there isn't much difference, unfortunately. there is some costs associated with installing smaller median signs and staff have not moved forward with this work at this time. That's all I have for this particular item, and welcome your questions again. |
| 00:43:53.53 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much. Can I ask a question? So the keep right would replace the yellow pedestrian man for each island. Okay, that was the intention. Okay, thank you very much. Does anybody have any, Commissioner Luxembourg, or... Do you have any questions on the... |
| 00:44:16.49 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I would encourage you to reduce the size of the signs because they are seemingly too large. So I would, since they comply, I would suggest smaller signs, the 30 by 30 signs. |
| 00:44:28.95 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah, perhaps part of our study session, we can ultimately make a recommendation here for Council. Vice Chair, did you have a comment on the side? |
| 00:44:35.46 | David Marlatt | Yeah, thank you. Just a question, Chair. As a matter of policy, so not specifically to this project, but this obviously has a very large visual impact on the city. And is there ever a discussion or a policy of engaging designers to meet the California requirements? No question, we have to do that. But rather than just asking, I have a little bit of a prejudice here as an architect, But... engaging designers who might look at the requirements, but also try to find something that fits into a, a logo type image or a wayfinding image. graphic artists we've seen can do pretty miraculous things aesthetically while also meeting technical compliance. Was that ever a consideration or something that came up in the budget proposal or is a common practice that I'm not seeing. |
| 00:45:24.64 | Kevin McGowan | So for the answer to that question for me steps back to the fact that there was a safety issue here. And we had to address that safety issue. And there was some necessity for moving forward quickly. So with this particular project, no, we didn't look at. wayfinding or changes to sign standards. We didn't do that. Would the city be open to looking at that? I think we would. As long as we can comply with the state and municipal standards for making things safe and compliant, Additional signs or others could be considered. |
| 00:46:00.88 | David Marlatt | Yeah, thank you, because I think we all agree that obviously safety is number one, compliance is mandatory, but this is also a branding question for the city. We're driven by tourism. This is the main drag, so to speak, for the tourists, and it's a branding issue. |
| 00:46:14.77 | Kevin McGowan | Yeah, one of my previous employers, who happened to be San Rafael, We did put in those type of signs in different places. It was a city with a mission and you can see them throughout. |
| 00:46:25.03 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:46:25.06 | Pete Peterson | Yeah. |
| 00:46:25.40 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 00:46:26.14 | Kevin McGowan | So it's not uncommon to do so as long as they don't obstruct the safety aspects that you see here. I see no reason not to pursue something like that. |
| 00:46:36.15 | David Marlatt | Thank you. |
| 00:46:36.18 | Fred Moore | Thank you very much. |
| 00:46:37.03 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:46:37.06 | Fred Moore | Thank you. |
| 00:46:37.08 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. Thank you. Questions? Commissioner Moore? |
| 00:46:41.35 | Fred Moore | In evaluating the plans that were approved through city council, on their graphics that were provided, it appears that their graphics were depicting a 30 by 30 sign, just based on looking at where the edge of the sign goes, and it looks like the signs that were installed were larger. Did I miss the notation on those plans that they're supposed to be 36 by 36 versus 30 by 30? Because the plane that I looked at had no dimensions on it for the signage. |
| 00:47:12.43 | Kevin McGowan | I'm not ready to answer such detailed questions at this forum. We have other folks who manage this project specifically and design the project. So I can look into it and get back to you. |
| 00:47:24.09 | Fred Moore | I appreciate that. You indicated that it was a project that had to be done quickly. Was there a specific event that created this need to go through quickly to get the project done? |
| 00:47:35.82 | Kevin McGowan | you have accidents on this roadway, and that was the impetus for the project. |
| 00:47:42.76 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. |
| 00:47:42.94 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 00:47:43.97 | Nastassya Saad | Anything else? Thank you. Do we have one more? Thank you. |
| 00:47:48.32 | Unknown | We have a few more slides for you. Next slide. |
| 00:47:48.56 | Nastassya Saad | WITH YOU. |
| 00:47:59.58 | Wayne Kwan | So I've been asked to provide a little context regarding our parking buggies. They're basically our three-wheel parking enforcement vehicles. So currently the book department has four of these vehicles, um, three of them are gas, one thermos electric. And the current operation require us to park these, parking buggies at lot four at the north end. As you probably know, right on Johnson and Caledonia, where the police department is, there are very limited parking spaces. And we also shared our spaces on Caledonia with the fire department. So safety is a priority, those spaces. are for our police officers patrol vehicles. And, um, it's been asked, can we move the parking buggies out of lot four and in front of the police department? And unfortunately, the answer is a hard no at this point because it would sacrifice public safety. So that's the reason why the current buggies operationally is parked at lot four. |
| 00:49:23.99 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. Can I ask a follow-up question before turning it over to my commissioners? Because they're small, is there a way, and they're not necessarily as urgently like jumping in a police car and going, could you double them up? Is it possible to put two or three buggies in one parking space? Thank you. |
| 00:49:48.36 | Wayne Kwan | We can look into that. I'm not prepared to answer that question at this time. If that's a request that you would like the police department to review, |
| 00:49:54.48 | Unknown | Thank you. |
| 00:49:54.50 | Kevin McGowan | Sure. |
| 00:49:54.75 | Unknown | THE END OF THE END OF THE |
| 00:49:54.84 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. |
| 00:49:54.87 | Unknown | Yeah. |
| 00:49:59.80 | Wayne Kwan | We can. Take a look and review it and get back to you. |
| 00:50:03.58 | Nastassya Saad | I think if you know the commission agrees it just could be of note just because they take advantage of their size that they are small but that would be great if you could. Commissioner Lexenberg any questions. |
| 00:50:16.17 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Not at this time, no, thank you. |
| 00:50:17.40 | Nastassya Saad | of the day. Vice chair, parking buggies. |
| 00:50:20.77 | Fred Moore | I thank your event Wayne. I appreciate I talked to the chief and she indicated that they were looking at potential options but back on following up with the chairs comment because parking spaces in the parking lots at least one of the city council members is very in tune to the lost revenue to the city when we don't have parking spaces or we take away a parking spaces for the designs. So because of the size is as you're evaluating whether there's different options whether we double up in here whether there's an option of parking the buggies perpendicular to the street at the far end of the red zone by the police station clearly public safety is paramount and if taking a little bit of that space at the upper end would would compromise public safety, obviously it's not an option. But as you're evaluating, it would be interesting to look at how much space that would actually take. If you put them perpendicular starting at the top, if they would only take up a small area and still allow enough room for obviously the patrol cars when they need to be there. I think it might satisfy one of the council members. |
| 00:50:37.07 | Andrew Junius | MMM. |
| 00:51:31.40 | Fred Moore | on freeing up parking, especially at the Jazz, Jazz by the Bay, you know, those are three spots that would be filled up like that if they were available. So appreciate you looking into that. |
| 00:51:43.70 | Wayne Kwan | Thank you. |
| 00:51:44.02 | Fred Moore | Thank you. |
| 00:51:44.98 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah, thank you. I agree. Thank you very much. |
| 00:51:51.58 | Kevin McGowan | Next slide, please. So parklets is next. And the majority of the parklets were installed during COVID-19 pandemic. However, there are a few. that were installed prior to COVID. A parklet allows a fronting property owner to utilize a public road right of way for their business. Usually these are restaurants. Uh, the commission had a question related to the development of a standard parklet design. And with that, I'll kind of turn it over to Matthew to see if he's got some additional slides or some comments on this. |
| 00:52:24.43 | Matthew Mandich | Thanks very much, Director McGowan for the introduction on that. Yes, so as you can see here, a couple of parklets in our city here. One of those on the left is a long established parklet, our oldest parklet in the city in 2013, so well before COVID. And when you see on the right, in Caledonia was established in 2020 during the COVID pandemic. So next slide, please. Here's just a couple other different parklets we have in the city as well that two of those on the bottom were established during covert there's just another view of that one from 2013 our first pilot project. And then an additional one that was from 2018 which is on tourney street there next to driver so just a different array of kind of the different parklets we have in town how they've been laid out in different ways next slide please. So in 2023, we did work with a subcommittee of planning commissioners, including Commissioner Luxembourg and former Commissioner Christina Feller on a standards for parklets book. We are like draft design guide, basically. And we did get pretty far along with this. And I know Commissioner Luxembourg played a large role in this. And we walked the streets together and looked at some of the challenges facing pedestrians when it comes to parklets and sidewalk dining together. So we did get pretty far along. We have a draft that was last created. I think the date on there is October 2023. However, it never got completed due to a change in priorities from shifting from this to the housing element. We had a lot of more pressing needs that planning staff needed to take care of of so this is kind of a bit of a hanging chad um but we do have um a substantial amount of work that was done uh on these standards um we I think probably got about 80% of the way there. So if the commission were to direct or recommend that we continue that work, that's something I think that we could complete in relatively good time. Can you go to the next slide, please, Adam? Just some other examples of some of the standards that were in there. So you saw some of the ones on the right-hand side showing, you know, different parklet for parallel and diagonal spaces. And here's some additional standards that we included as far as you know safety standards away from the corners um you know size of um roof planners uh safety barriers connection from the curb face to the parklet etc etc so these are all standards that we worked on again it's it's still in draft form um i actually went through the draft before the meeting there's still a lot of comments in there ali ikbal worked on this with us as well formerly in department of public works so there was a lot of work that was done um and there's a great jumping off point however there's still there's still a good amount of work to be done to finish that up and we do have you know kind of new members both on the commission and in the um the department of public works that i think could you know add additional expertise to this so i don't have much else to add on that other than I included the staff report from, I believe it was 2021 written by former planner here, Heidi Scoble, and you kind of give the rundown on the parklet situation at that time. And we still have a number of COVID parklet permits that are temporary permits that are still in place. Those actually have to be repealed by a resolution of the city council. So that's the way the original enacting resolution was written that they will be in place until repealed. So there's work to be done. We probably have to do a couple of resolutions, get the standards updated and approved, integrate those in the municipal code. So there's definitely a lift there to be done, but I'd say as far as the actual standards themselves go, we did get pretty far along in defining those. So with that, happy to take questions from the commission on the status of this project. |
| 00:54:07.89 | Andrew Junius | Probably got about |
| 00:55:56.79 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much. And yes, Commissioner Luxenberg and Christina did an excellent job. It was a lot of work, especially with the support of staff. So I'll let you lead Commissioner Luxenberg as the lead on that. |
| 00:56:09.45 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you, Chair. So the current staff was not here at the time we finished that report. So I just want to go through the two steps that we felt were needed following what we did. So we came up with guidelines. And after a long analysis, rather than codifying the guidelines as zoning code, we decided there was one provision. I forget which provision it is, but there's somewhere related to outdoor dining where the community development director has authority to make approvals so the intent was to get the City Council to take the guidelines by resolution and accept them as guidelines and then change one it was basically one sentence in the code that will allow the the community development director to approve that To approve parklets and that way we don't have to go through a whole It would be a zoning change, but it'd be a very small one and and then so you'd have to finalize the report as it is and bring it to the council and Then after that to work with the existing parklets because some of them are uh would be in violation of the guidelines it requires a five foot minimum walking way and also to as part of that outreach to work with the businesses to educate them that they should keep the chairs for the two tops not going out and basically there are places when it's busy where you can't walk by through the parklets. So the idea would be through an education program with the new guidelines to work with the businesses. So those would be the steps that we had come up with at the end, and then, as you said, it got pulled on to other things. So thank you very much. |
| 00:57:50.29 | Matthew Mandich | Thank you for that refresher as well. |
| 00:57:50.53 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 00:57:51.71 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah, that was a good recap. I couldn't quite recall. Let me ask the other commissioners. Commissioner Moore, do you have any questions or comments for Parklet? |
| 00:58:00.85 | Fred Moore | No, there's a great report, Matthew, and obviously Mr. Luxembourg having the background. I guess it'd be whether or not we want to pick that up. And you indicated that you worked with public works. So the question would be with Director McAllen's staff level and a lot of other things on his plate, whether or not you need to go back to public works. Or is that something that if we picked it up, it would be more planning driven at this point? |
| 00:58:24.55 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Well, the working group that we had had Allie from Public Works. So I think going forward, yes, Public Works is a key part of it, and they would be part of this going forward as well. |
| 00:58:37.66 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah, just add a little bit, it would be a collaborative effort. We're obviously dealing with the right of way here as well. So, and then there's the MUP component minor use permit for the park and the outdoor dining. So yeah, I think it was definitely a planning slash DPW CDD DPW collaboration. |
| 00:58:57.55 | David Marlatt | Thank you. I just had a couple of questions just for my own information here. I never really thought too much about this. Roughly how many parklets are there currently in Sausalito? Just approximately. |
| 00:59:08.02 | Matthew Mandich | That's a good question. We don't actually have that many. There's several on. We don't have many. No, we don't actually. There's several on Bridgeway there. There's about three different ones at Sausalito Bakery. There's the one in front of Angelino's and the one in front of the Linda Fox property there. So there's the real Napa. So there's those three there. There's the one in front of drivers. That's four. There's the one on the big one on Caledonia. That's five. And I think that might be it. |
| 00:59:12.76 | David Marlatt | No. |
| 00:59:29.08 | David Marlatt | Okay. maybe half dozen, seven or something like that. |
| 00:59:34.04 | Matthew Mandich | THE END OF THE END OF THE Yeah, I don't know if I can think of any other parklets in the city. |
| 00:59:37.28 | David Marlatt | City. And since the pandemic, what is the best word? What is the demand for new parklets? Is this something that comes in as a request occasionally? I'm just sort of getting at the guidelines and the effort to complete the guidelines, although it seems like a shame to leave something that's so close to finish versus the benefit if nobody's asking for parklets. |
| 00:59:51.08 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 01:00:01.56 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah, well, I think you're bringing up a good point. And one of the reasons why this wasn't completed is that, A, we have our parklets established and we haven't had a lot of demand for additional parklets. We've certainly had demand for sidewalk dining, but not exactly parklets. I mean, parklets are a bigger lift for a business. They do take away a parking space, all of that. And then the standards are not in place. So I don't know. I mean, I think there potentially could be additional demand if these standards were approved and, you know, we kind of. advertise a little bit that we have this program and people could take advantage of it. However, I think that a lot of the restaurants that would utilize parklets already do. I think the most beneficial thing would just be to, I think, as Commissioner Luxembourg was saying, bring the existing parklets up to a proper code or make them match these design standards. And if they don't, comply, but again, that, that would come through a lot of effort as well, I think. So I think the reason that a lot of this work was kind of left unfinished was due to a lack of demand for new parklets. And I think a relative comfortable, which was already existing. And then of course we had many other things at the time to tackle. So that's why this was kind of left on the back burner, but, um, Yeah, I mean, looking for obviously recommendation from commission on, you know, what they would would like from the department. I mean, again, bandwidth is always an issue for us in CDD. We have a lot of different projects and not a huge staff. So I think that's something to consider as well to put that out there. But there has been a lot of work that's gone into this to date, but it does not gotten over the line. |
| 01:01:39.66 | David Marlatt | And without the guidelines, I'm sorry, without the guidelines, how do we deal with safety issues? I mean, obviously, a park which is, for whatever reason, too close to the intersection or tops and stuff that are impeding pedestrian traffic or getting into the railway. Do we have mechanisms without these guidelines to deal with what is perceived as safety issues? |
| 01:02:00.95 | Matthew Mandich | From a planning perspective, I don't have, yeah, I think maybe PD or DPW could be able to be better equipped to possibly answer that question. |
| 01:02:03.20 | David Marlatt | have yeah, I think anybody. |
| 01:02:09.49 | David Marlatt | do we need these guidelines maybe as a tool? Not just an aesthetic tool, but a tool for |
| 01:02:15.80 | Kevin McGowan | It's not an uncommon issue. Thank you, Mayor. Many cities struggle with this same question of what parts of this should be more stringently regulated. And more specifically, my concern is the close proximity of a parklet next to the active traffic lane. Now, there are other aspects associated with this, such as making sure that the sidewalks are kept open for the public. that four or five foot area has to be kept open all the time. And I think that's a an effort that comes to play with not just planning but public works as well so if we have that specific issue we could send out our code enforcement officer to say hey look you have to keep this sidewalk open at all times now the other issues associated with putting a parklet in the roadway itself that needs to go past public works and we would take a close look at many different things with it and with many different things i'm suggesting It depends upon where it's placed in relationship to an intersection or how close it is to the road itself. More specifically, It's the one near the bakery, not quite to the bakery. That one needs a row. |
| 01:03:32.43 | Matthew Mandich | The real Napa when we were talking about. Yeah. |
| 01:03:33.55 | Kevin McGowan | Thank you. That one definitely needed to have a type of a bollard out in front so that if a car ran into it, it won't run into folks that are seated there. So now There are wine barrels that are actually filled with dirt, so they're very heavy. They can't be moved. It's those type of safety issues we want to take a look at. So I know I'm going kind of around your question a little bit, of how to address violations. I think between planning and public works, we would look at it specifically. There aren't too many in town. We would go out and work with our code enforcement officer to address it. |
| 01:04:15.16 | Andrew Junius | Thank you for the presentation. I'm not sure who's the best person to answer this question, but just generally the Caledonia one just feels different. It feels the permanent. It feels like the streets been vacated. Is that is it a different one or is it just had a it's bigger and had a bigger build out and then. Just kind of curious. And it does have that bollard on the one end that I keep thinking I'm going to hit someday, just because it narrows the street a little bit, and it definitely would destroy my vehicle if I hit it. But that's just a parklet, right? Just a giant parklet? |
| 01:04:46.22 | Matthew Mandich | So that's a great question. If I remember correctly, there was actually a separate resolution outside of the resolution that approved the temporary COVID parklets to approve that one on Caledonia in particular. I think that was the first one that was made during COVID. And yeah, that was like a total reorganization of that block of Caledonia. And I think that was done through a separate action. There's certainly record of this, so I could go back and check. But is that your recollection, Director McGowan? Do you remember anything on that? |
| 01:05:14.26 | Kevin McGowan | Yes, our council was interested in trying to revitalize that area, and so they were making additional efforts to try to accommodate the restaurants and widen the street, not widen the street, but allow a different configuration on the street in order to encourage people to come and use the restaurants. |
| 01:05:32.80 | Andrew Junius | Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, it functions fine. It looks a little. weird in a way. it'd be interesting at some point. And I mean, again, the city's got a lot of other things to do, but it seems to me that that's a, that's a block where the city probably could vacate the lane and just do a much nicer job. And really that, you know, that's like a premier locals hangout for restaurants. And I think at some point the city should reassess the look and feel of that because it could be a whole lot better, but it's, it's fine. Thank you. |
| 01:06:03.83 | Nastassya Saad | This may be I don't know what kind of question is this, but Do the businesses pay for the parklet? Don't they pay for the parklets themselves? Or is it a cost to the city? |
| 01:06:16.74 | Kevin McGowan | That's a good question. I know they had to get an encroachment permit. Do they pay through your department? |
| 01:06:21.64 | Nastassya Saad | I ask because you remember Left Bank that's closed? They created a parklet right outside. They did a beautiful job. But I remember the owner complaining to anyone that would listen that it cost him $25,000. And when Larkspur wanted to make them change it, he was going to have to cover that cost. So to Commissioner Junius' point, I think we can all agree it's aesthetically not pleasing, although it's very well utilized. And Caledonia, which is great, But who would cover it? Who even pays for that? |
| 01:06:51.83 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah. So that's, I mean, that's a great question. And I think you're reminding me too, of some of the issues that came up with the standards that was related to fees, what fees are recharging. We were going to charge permit fees, encroachment agreements, which are, you know, an expensive permit, as you guys are aware, you know, over $7,000 for those. So that was something. And then we were also going to, we're considering an annual fee. I mean, San Francisco has a whole, they actually attacked this thing right on in COVID and got out in front, did standards, did fees, set everything. So there's, there, that's a great template, you know, to look at and work from not saying that would work directly for Sausalito, but you know, there are cities that got out in front of this very early with COVID. So I think a lot of them have like those cities that have a standards program in place do have like an annual fee that each will people pay. But yeah, the construction of the parklet itself, again, is entirely on the restaurant or just like it's on them to provide seating in their restaurants and things like that. So it is a cost. And maybe that's why you're not going to see a lot of new parklets or more parklets. I think really what adopting the standards would probably have the biggest effect is trying to true up existing parklets with adopted new standards. And it would be more of a code enforcement issue than it would be about getting new parklets in town. You might see one or two. There's just not a lot of opportunity for them. You know, there's not a lot of restaurants that could take advantage of, you know, the logistical benefits of a parklet. So I think, you know, it's an interesting thing. Like, is the juice worth the squeeze, right? That's kind of what it came down to at the end of this process. And it was ultimately determined at that time. No, not right now. So, yeah, it's expensive for restaurant owners to get the proper permits, to build the parklet, to maintain the parklet and to pay fees for use of that parking space. So, yeah, there's there's certainly money involved. |
| 01:08:38.51 | Andrew Junius | Yeah, I'm glad you raised the San Francisco experience because you're right. The city, I think, did a great job at the front end. then nobody, I mean, this happened a couple of years ago when they, when they updated it. And basically when COVID was over and a lot of them look pretty shoddy and we're going to get torn down anyway, the people that had actually spent real dollars got really upset because the rules came in and it was like, but I spent $50,000 on this awesome thing. And now you're saying it doesn't comply with your new rules. So anyway, just as an aside, it's really a complicated thing. It's It's interesting because it's in the right of way. But I mean, I would just, in my own personal thought here, I mean, the right-of-way is important for car traffic, but in a city like Sausalito, where I think we should be much more of a pedestrian city. I think widening the sidewalks and I think making that permanent and nicer. And I think, I remember we had the situation on Bridgeway in front of the fish and ships place where there was a huge debate about whether we should allow a bump out there or not. I mean, I'm all in favor of wider sidewalks, you know, full stop. So, but thank you. Good discussion. |
| 01:09:41.99 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah, that was a good discussion. I think, and this is with great respect to Commissioner Luxembourg, because you did a ton of work, especially with Christina, and it is memorialized, and we do have it, I think, for the city to fall back on if we get there. And I think given where we are with priorities and limited bandwidth and whatnot, I don't think I'd recommend that. revamping our Parklet group at this time. But I do think to Matthew's point that it's 80% there, and I think you have a really solid foundation to stand on, and hopefully one day that work will be fully utilized. But yeah, I don't see it as a huge need to your point. |
| 01:10:21.13 | Fred Moore | Commissioner Moore, did you want to make a comment? Well, I would just probably, you know, parrot all those have been said here, but maybe put a bug in the commission and the staffs. I mean, the parkas don't look very nice. I mean, if you go through other cities, San Francisco, Mill Valley, there's a lot of parkas that are really nice. They're built well. They look like they're going to stay there. They've got art on them. I mean, they add to the city. I would say that. majority of our parklets. Don't add anything to the city other than space for the restaurants. So it's something that from an aesthetic standpoint, we may want to notwithstanding, make sure we have the safety and the traffic addressed. But whether or not we look at that somewhere down the road of seeing how we can make that a better look for the city. |
| 01:11:05.10 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Yeah, in the guidelines that acting director managed put up, in addition to the safety issues that Mr. McGowan indicated, there are also landscape requirements and other things. And this whole process came out of the ones that we have were rushed, most of them, not all of them, were rushed through because of COVID. And as they came up, we said, well, we really should have standards to do exactly what you're suggesting, which is to make them look better. And so that was the intent. And so I think that the zoning issue is going to be simple. And so I don't think it's a heavy lift to finish it. But I think more importantly, on a global sense and a holistic sense, because we really need to look at the concept, as we heard earlier, about branding and what we're doing in Sausalito or a tourist destination, that we have a lot of commercial vacancies. We've got the sign ordinance changing. We've got formula retail changing. We have this if this is changing. We should be working with the chamber and trying to attract new businesses in sort of a holistic sense, and it isn't so much getting the report done or getting the guidelines. It's the concept of let's make them look a little better, and if we can do it without an ordinance change or without a document, fine. Work with the businesses, make them better the lap birds one will it was when that did not go through for dining they are going to come back with a um a parklet so that's probably one of the few places left to put a parklet but just the whole idea of working with businesses and encouraging economic development because we have far too many vacancies in the city so anyways just some thoughts |
| 01:12:52.77 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much. A master plan would be. would be a good idea. Thank you very much, Director McGowan. Do we have another... Thank you. |
| 01:13:04.54 | Kevin McGowan | We have more slides to go. Okay. So next slide, please. Okay, public trash racks. Currently, there are several different types of public trash receptacles throughout the city. The older ones are made of concrete. They're super heavy. They tend to break. We're trying to get rid of those. But we need to take them out kind of one step at a time. The other ones that we have, excuse me, I'll back up. Our garbage collector is Bay Cities. They are in contract with the city. And they help provide us the triplets that you see downtown. And they are the ones who collect them and sometimes clean them, sometimes they don't. In addition, in the last couple months, we've had requests to move the receptacles around, which is great. Tell us where you want them to go and we'll move them. Depends upon where they find the garbage. But putting in more receptacles is fine or moving them around. No problem. We can help with that. |
| 01:14:00.25 | Nastassya Saad | Easy enough. Any questions? Okay. Oh, sorry, go ahead. |
| 01:14:06.58 | Fred Moore | Is there a process if there's obviously a lot of different types of trash cans that are thrown in different cities, some are more productive than others appreciate the fact that the concrete ones are falling apart and they're very difficult to move, obviously. Is there a process if decisions about the type of replacement trash cans or has the decision been to take the triplets that have been recently and recently installed in the city, is that kind of the standard that will continue. |
| 01:14:33.91 | Kevin McGowan | That's the standard we're using right now. I don't think there's a policy on it. If there's some other type that folks want to use, let us know. We'll look at it. |
| 01:14:46.16 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much. We can move on. |
| 01:14:48.24 | Kevin McGowan | Yep. Next slide, please. I'm going to combine the next two slides. So as your commission knows, the CIP is an annual list of projects to be addressed by the city. Many of these projects are maintenance-based. However, members of the city council have a desire to have a broader vision for improvement projects. In order to address this direction by the council, additional analysis and planning is needed for some of our projects. For example, A landscape architecture firm has been brought in in order to assist with one of our projects, which is the parking lot one that architect is looking at. more concepts for all of downtown so that any improvements on parking lot one can incorporate any future changes that may come up from a more holistic downtown plan. In addition, we have several new projects to this year's CIP, including a master planning effort for our park system, as well as additional improvements to CloudView Park. So the arrows that are shown on the slide are just the key new projects that I want to cover in our next slide. Next slide, please. All right. This year, we are also embarking on several projects, which are public and private partnerships. We have a project on Princess at Bridgeway, which adds bulb outs and landscaping. This is a combined project with a business, I think it's the Business Improvement District. where they pay for part of it and the city pays for part of it. We have some additional project on Cloud View Park where donations are helping with working on that specific park. We haven't started that one yet, but accessibility is gonna be a key component at that hillside park, which is gonna be quite difficult. And we are exploring other engineering solutions on gate five, such as putting in flood protection, could be some pump stations and others, and this could be in close to private property as well. So we're going to need to have public private partnerships in that area as well. So we're moving in a little different direction than standard maintenance, trying to keep our council's direction in order. and keep that included with some of our projects. That concludes the entire presentation at this point. |
| 01:17:10.70 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. Thank you very much for being here this evening. This was really informative. We know a lot of these things tend to skip our remit, but you can see we have a big interest and, you know, ultimately we want to help. So thank you for your time. Are there any comments, Commissioner Luxembourg, on that? |
| 01:17:27.19 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I just, this is a detailed question, so I just put it out there, because you're here and the traffic enforcement is here. You completed some work on the corner of 3rd and Atwood and North, and on that, it's steep, and there's a new yellow line that has you come up 3rd and stay to the right as you come at the top of that, go up that hill, but it goes into a parking area. So it used to be that you would come up third and you would go onto the narrow one, basically one way road with cars coming in both directions. But now it sends you to the right. And as you go on the right, sometimes cars are parked right as you're going there. So it puts you into a parking lane, basically. And so I don't know if you folks want to look at it and see maybe right at the corner that should be red or something, or maybe that yellow line should be at a different angle. But if you could look at that, that might be helpful because that's a new traffic. They didn't used to go there. They didn't used to have a line at all. So you come up third and you knew you had to get over, but now you're sort of forced to go to the right. So take a look at it and see if it makes sense. |
| 01:18:47.70 | Kevin McGowan | Sounds like an item for our Traffic Coordination Committee. And that was third and Atwood and North. So I know where to go. |
| 01:18:53.94 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Or to north, yes. |
| 01:18:54.97 | Kevin McGowan | Okay. |
| 01:18:57.03 | Nastassya Saad | Any final comments, Commission engineers? |
| 01:18:59.04 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. Thank you, Chair. And thank you, Kevin. I really appreciate the presentation and you're working with us on some of these things. Just a general comment, not for any response, just to wrap this up specifically on the CIP. I mean, I've been on this commission now for five years and the CIP process |
| 01:19:15.27 | Unknown | No. |
| 01:19:15.54 | Andrew Junius | Just I mean, you've got to do something. The city's you know, and this is the way the cities seems obvious have done it. And it's kind of grown into kind of a what seems to me like a very unwieldy. process in terms of public participation. And, you know, I don't know how to fix that. I'm just saying that it just feels, it's kind of frustrating that You know, we're supposed to annually check in on whether the whole plan complies with the general plan, which is a pretty easy determination to make because the general plan is pretty general and these things are all good things that are needed. So that seems kind of perfunctory. I don't know, I think Commissioner Moore's got the same frustration I do and others might be as well. It's just interesting that this component of the city's like built environment in the public right-of-way for the most part and public parts, just seems It just doesn't seem to work very well to bring in public comment and to have open discussion about important pieces. I don't know. It's just it's a little frustrating. And I know, you know, you're stuck with it. So that's right. There's nothing more than general comments. So thank you again for coming tonight. |
| 01:20:24.68 | Kevin McGowan | I can comment on a little of that. Um, There's a couple of components that go into play behind the scenes. The amount of staff that I have to do this work is minimal. I would love it if I could come to your Commission, let's say in November. when we start to take a look at the new projects and say, okay, here's our old list, which ones are important to you? Now, that's nice, but there are more projects that come up between, let's say, November and April. And then we would want to revisit you later closer to April when we make a presentation to council as well. Um, I've always wanted to come back and do that. And it always has been a problem with not enough staff and not being able to get ready for it. Another alternative that could be open to this city is instead of having a one year CIP have a two or three year CIP and put a lot of effort into developing that document. beforehand so that, you know, in a planning process, this is a three year CIP instead of a one year CIP. The reason it's kind of a one-year CIP is that our council would like to know as much detail as they can, especially when it comes to the budget piece. The budget piece of this document is what's driving most of it right now. And so that's why it seems like It's not as participatory as it should be. But the genesis behind it is making sure that the budget balances in June. So it's a very good comment and I really appreciate it. If I had more people and more time, I would like to do this in November and then come back at the end of February and say, okay, this is what we're working with. There's a lot of in between there, like that's the busy rain season too. Like I said, hard to get enough staff to cover this stuff. |
| 01:22:14.84 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much. Fisher Moore, did you have a final comment? |
| 01:22:18.18 | Fred Moore | Again, appreciate you coming and spending all your time putting together a report as well as answering questions. With respect to things to look at, I know you have a lot of staff and maybe you can't do it, but it's interesting that the street that was recently repaved between parking lot one and the Southfield Center for the Arts, it was repaved and the pedestrian walkway on the water side was redone, but right on the bridgeway side, it wasn't redone. And I'm not sure if that was outside the scope of work or was just omitted inadvertently when they did the repaving. But if you could look at that, because that sidewalk, crosswalk is really not in very good shape. So if you could look at that, that'd be great. |
| 01:22:59.15 | Kevin McGowan | Is this fronting bridgeway or anchor? |
| 01:23:01.61 | Fred Moore | Fronning Bridgeway. the road between |
| 01:23:04.11 | Kevin McGowan | So, Vina Del Mar. |
| 01:23:05.43 | Fred Moore | Yeah. I think that's the name of the street. I'd look at this, I didn't look at the street sign. |
| 01:23:09.09 | Kevin McGowan | No, Viena de Mar is the park. Right, on Bridgeway. |
| 01:23:10.73 | Fred Moore | It's a street between the parking lot one and Saucelito Center for the Arts. That street. That's Anchor. |
| 01:23:16.62 | Kevin McGowan | That's true. That's the anchor. That's the anchor. |
| 01:23:18.03 | Nastassya Saad | That's Anchor. Yeah, that's Anchor. Yeah. |
| 01:23:18.35 | Fred Moore | THE FAMILY. |
| 01:23:18.42 | Kevin McGowan | Okay. |
| 01:23:18.44 | Fred Moore | I'm not a fan of the |
| 01:23:20.52 | Kevin McGowan | Yeah, that's part of our projects for parking lot one. I would agree the sidewalk needs to be improved. But instead of cutting down all the trees there first and creating a ruckus, we want to make sure that it complies with, kind of a bigger scope. of what we want to do downtown and how that flows together. So I agree with you. That does need to be looked at. |
| 01:23:40.46 | Fred Moore | totally understand that looking at what I was actually specifically was even even a more minor improvement it was they repaved the road but they didn't repaint the crosswalk between the center and parking lot one on the bridgeway side of that street but they did paint the crosswalk on the water side. So thank you very much. And then one of the questions for direct system director manage the projects that director I would just indicate it are those going to come before the planning Commission are those just go straight to the city council. |
| 01:24:14.77 | Matthew Mandich | It would go straight to the city council. |
| 01:24:17.47 | Fred Moore | I would like to suggest that if we can ask those to come to us first, I think that would be more appropriate. |
| 01:24:25.77 | Nastassya Saad | I think we can try to work with staff to see if that can be accommodated in some way. Thank you very much. Thank you for the evening. Thank you to parking. Thank you to everybody who participated. We're going to go ahead and open this up for public comment real quick. |
| 01:24:47.17 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah. Before we do, I also want to say thank you, Director McGowan, and thank you, Mr. Kwan, for being here this evening. Really appreciate both your time. Thank you. Looking to the chamber, not seeing any hands, and I have no speaker cards. Also looking to Zoom and seeing none. |
| 01:25:03.06 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much. So we'll go ahead and close. the study session for 6A and we'll move on to number seven, which is the public hearing. Item 7A, this is 22 Alexander Avenue. It's a nonconformity permit. We have our... acting director slash principal planner, Matthew Bannich, here this evening to present to us. |
| 01:25:29.36 | Matthew Mandich | you mr blair good evening commissioners um so yes to the public hearing portion of our evening we have one permit before you this evening that is a non-conformity permit for 22 alexander avenue next slide please so just a little bit on the location here as you can see it's the flag lot located on the eastern side of alexander near the confluence of Edwards and Alexander Avenue. It's mentioned flag lot here, number of joining parcels. Here it is on Google Earth. Just to give you an idea, you can see the staircase in question a little bit on this image here, although it's a bit difficult. But yeah, this is the property right here. It's in the R225 zoning district, and the size of the lot is just over 5,000 square feet. Next slide, please. So a little bit of background. This was in the staff report, but to cover it, it's a little bit of an interesting case here. It's a staircase that serves as access to five separate residences, 14, 16C, 20, 18, and 22 Alexander Avenue. It is predominantly, it's actually bisected down the middle with a property line, but most of it is on 22 Alexander, hence the reason for the application being at 22 Alexander Ave. And it terminates at the residence of 22 Alexander. That residence was formerly 16 B Alexander. And 20 Alexander, which is at the bottom of the staircase across, was formerly 16A. And we still have a 16C at the top. So when these were all built, it was three separate residences, 16A, 16B, 16C. They've all changed numbers to 20, 22, except for 16C remains. So a little bit awkward. On the county assessor records, it says that the home was built in 1981, but that's false. I believe that that's when the home changed address to 22 Alexander. All of the other homes in this area were built in 1958, and all of the easements pertaining to the staircase are from 1958. We also have documents in our possession from 1977 that approved an addition to the home, formerly known as 16 B Alexander. |
| 01:27:07.20 | Andrew Junius | man. |
| 01:27:37.02 | Matthew Mandich | So again, likely constructed in 1958, along with the rest of these residences in the surrounding area. Project is located within the 100-foot shoreline band, so it requires BCDC approval, which is written in as a condition of approval for the project and the resolution. It's also located in the VE flood zone, which is a special hazard flood zone, so it requires a permit from the flood zone administrator, which is Director McGowan, as our city engineer serves in that role so um this is just the entitlement phase this evening for the planning commission they still need bcdc after the entitlement as well as floodplain and then building permit uh next slide please |
| 01:27:42.23 | Andrew Junius | you. Thank you. |
| 01:28:11.61 | Matthew Mandich | So the proposed project is a nonconformity permit required to SMC 1062050A2, which is to demolish and replace an existing nonconforming structure. The proposed project is to demolish the existing stair set as well as associated landings and lighting that's on the stair set. The existing deck, which you can see here, part of the housing for the tram stop at the bottom, and the deck extends out to the edge right here. It does not include the other deck at the bottom. So that is the extent of the deck, the full stair set, and associated landings. It's also for the encasement of four existing concrete piles into a new concrete mud slab, and that's what supports the staircase below. And yeah, next slide, please. Here are the project plans. As you can see here, the gray areas are the number of easements that we talked about. All these easements were mapped by the surveyors when the survey was done. So you can see here the flag lot, 22 Alexander. This is 20 Alexander, formerly 16A, 16B, and 16C. I imagine this might have been a 16 at some point too, but then there's 18 across. And these are the five residences right here, one, two, three, four, five, that utilize the stair set. Next slide, please. Here's an elevation of the stairs running down. It's about 90 to 100 feet long from the top all the way down to the bottom. So be replacing all of the stairs here. as well as the deck. encasing these two concrete piles here with a new concrete block. Here's just some of the bracing elements here that hold up this staircase as you're going down. There is a elevator or funicular next to the staircase. So as construction is going on, these properties will still be able to be accessed by the existing elevator. Next slide, please. Yeah, this is a very non-conforming property here. It's over a non-conforming center. Backs over on building coverage over on floor area ratio over on impervious surface and non compliant parking. So, again, they're going to be removing and replacing existing nonconforming building coverage and impervious surface coverage within a setback and over property line. So nonconformity permit is required for this operation. demolition and replacement. Next slide, please. So some analysis of the findings. The city does have plans on file that document the existing. Oh, sorry, double document there. The document, the existence of a nonconforming entitlement. There's no negative impacts on the replacement on surrounding properties and replace the stair set and associated decks would be compatible with the character and purpose of the residential zoning district. Conformance with current parking standards is required per the table in the code in 1062-1. However, the applicant is requesting a waiver from the PC, which they can grant for this non-conforming parking. It's not practical to provide additional parking in this location without a lot line adjustment or some kind of structure that would allow for two cars to park on top of each other. Both spaces that are there right now are fully functional, although one of them is outside the property line, but not does not hang into the street in any way. Obviously, Alexander, like many of the streets in Sausalito extends beyond its path of travel into private into. Functionally properties on the other side, however, it is still city right away and the proposed project is not David Miller, Include or affect any park in the area, the parking that's there right now will not be touched or affected by the replacement of the stair set next slide please. David Miller, So recommendation is staff recommends the planning Commission adopt a resolution approving a non conforming permit for the proposed project at 22 Alexander. David Miller, The proposed project is in conformance to all the required findings in the non conformity chapter 10 62 07 oh. And the project is subject to the conditions of approval provided in the resolution, such as getting a BCDC permit and a flood zone administrator permit, as well as any additional conditions that the planning commission would like to add this evening. So with that, happy to open up for questions. Thank you. |
| 01:32:15.30 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much for the thorough report. This is like the most Sausalito story. I love it. It's funky. It is, it is. I enjoy it. Commissioner Alexa Berg. |
| 01:32:27.70 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Uh, thank you. Can we go back to the location plan? On look. From your presentation. |
| 01:32:33.90 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 01:32:39.58 | Matthew Mandich | Would you like a pointer? |
| 01:32:40.83 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Uh, sure. |
| 01:32:46.32 | Jeffery Luxenberg | They don't buy it. Thank you. |
| 01:32:49.76 | Nastassya Saad | We're just going to have to have you. Yeah, the mic is a problem. |
| 01:32:52.51 | Jeffery Luxenberg | No, I can do it from here. Uh, wait, which one? This one? Okay. I don't know. Okay, so this property right here, the one that I've got the pointer on, is 065303-13, which this indicates is number 18. But this is actually 18, this is actually 24. At least when you go out there, that's the address that it is. And so why is 24 Alexander not in, if we, can you go to advance to the project plans? |
| 01:33:00.66 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:33:25.62 | Andrew Junius | Thank you. |
| 01:33:31.20 | Jeffery Luxenberg | So, you can see here, this is 24 and this is 18. And 24 is not listed in your description at the beginning of a request. So why is 24 Alexander, which is one of the five properties not included in the request that you have in the beginning? |
| 01:33:37.65 | Andrew Junius | I'm not sure. |
| 01:33:51.77 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 01:33:52.62 | Matthew Mandich | So it's 18 and 18A, 24 is an address that is also used, but in MarinMap, it's still, it's 18. So the county assessor has it as 18. and the one above it as 18A. |
| 01:34:06.91 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Okay, so you don't list 18 and 18A in the description and list atop of the staff report either. |
| 01:34:15.13 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah, 18A does not use the stair set. It's only 18 slash 24. I mean, you can see in parentheses, they have it as 18 Alexander on the plan set as well. So it's one of those issues where addresses have changed multiple times for these properties. |
| 01:34:29.66 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Um, Okay. |
| 01:34:33.25 | Matthew Mandich | County assessor still, if you look on Marin map has that list is 18 and the one above it as 18 a. |
| 01:34:38.30 | Jeffery Luxenberg | So 18A is not part of that. |
| 01:34:41.00 | Matthew Mandich | No 18 eight has direct access to the street. Um, |
| 01:34:46.42 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Right here? Thank you. |
| 01:34:48.05 | Matthew Mandich | Thank you. |
| 01:34:48.09 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 01:34:48.24 | Matthew Mandich | Thank you. |
| 01:34:48.31 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. Thank you. |
| 01:34:48.93 | Matthew Mandich | All right. Also, 18 slash 24 has its own access way from the street all the way down. There's a funky lot line going down the side. It zigzags in and comes down. So while they use the funicular and the stair set, they have access to it. They actually don't need it to access the property. So there's another way down. There's a stair set that goes along the side there. |
| 01:35:11.71 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Up here somewhere? Yeah. |
| 01:35:17.84 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I see. Okay. All right, next question is, can you bring up attachment six? from the staff report, from the agenda. |
| 01:35:52.16 | Jeffery Luxenberg | So this is the attachment that shows that the abutter is a provided consent for Peterson associates to act as their agent. And number 16 is listed on here, but there's no signature. So did they not approve this or what's going on? |
| 01:36:12.73 | Matthew Mandich | They were not able to be reached. So the applicant can speak to this a little bit more. And I figured that would be a question this evening. They have tried to contact this property owner numerous times. They have documented those attempts numerous times. The land owner does not live at the property. They rent the property out. And I don't know if they even are in the U.S. most of the year. So it's been difficult to reach that property owner. And I think the applicant can speak on that potentially a little bit more. so I don't know they've most of the year so it's been difficult to reach that property owner and I think the applicant can speak on that potentially a little bit more so I don't know they've definitely made numerous attempts I do have documentation of certified mail that was sent and emails and whatnot trying to get a hold of this this property owner at 16 |
| 01:36:52.32 | Jeffery Luxenberg | I see, okay. The last one was related to 24. So what you're saying in this letter, 24 is actually 18. |
| 01:37:00.45 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah, it's yeah, 20. It's listed as 18 on the assessor. So, I mean, I think that it's also, I understand that on the property, on the mailbox says 24. Thank you. |
| 01:37:10.04 | Jeffery Luxenberg | It says 24 in this letter. |
| 01:37:12.64 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah. So if you'd want me to make an adjustment to anything to do 18, like 24, 18 in parentheses, whatever you want to do on how to nominate that. I don't know if it appears in the resolution anywhere. |
| 01:37:24.52 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Well, it refers to the drawings. The drawings refer to 24. They also have 18. It refers to 18, so there's just some confusion. |
| 01:37:28.70 | Matthew Mandich | They also have 18 and Princess is under. Yeah. Yeah, no, I understand that. It is a confusing area. So I think if you want any additional clarification in the resolution on to what properties this is specifically serving, I think it may be in the first paragraph we can specify |
| 01:37:33.07 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 01:37:45.58 | Matthew Mandich | 1824 and then put 18 in parentheses or however you want to do it. We can make that work. |
| 01:37:50.83 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Let me think about that. All right. Thank you for the answers to those questions. Here's a. |
| 01:37:56.11 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you, Commissioner Luxembourg. Yeah, the changing of numbers is not practically. I walked up there too and you see 24, so appreciate the explanation. Commissioner Moore, any questions for staff? |
| 01:38:07.43 | Fred Moore | No question. Same question regarding the signature. But my understanding is it's not only required. It was just provided by the applicant as letting us know that his neighbors who share the area are aware that he's doing the work and so forth. So they know there's going to be a little disruption. |
| 01:38:23.68 | Matthew Mandich | Yes, correct. I mean, the whole area is covered in easements. All that area allows for access, pedestrian access, maintenance, et cetera, et cetera, like through the area where it would work, where the work would be completed. So those were shown in the staff report on the project plans, and those have all been surveyed. So yeah, there is scope for them to do the work through the easement agreements. |
| 01:38:44.45 | Fred Moore | I didn't look at all the easement documents. So one question, I apologize. Obviously we know that part of the street is not a great travel spot if you have a car and a bike and so forth so maybe the applicant can speak it seems like it's going to be a significant challenge to get construction equipment in there with that type of looks like pretty robust work is there a plan are they're going to be with the management plan are they going to be able to hold traffic one way or the other how are they going to manage that |
| 01:39:15.88 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah, I mean, it'll be managed just like any other construction project in Sausalito, which is carefully. There is a, the parking area above there that I think we saw on the site plan earlier does actually have quite a bit of space. It's, it's, if you were to work, then I think they're going to work with the neighbors on making that the construction staging area right there. But yeah, if they're ever going to be using the right of way for a dumpster or extended truck parking or anything like that, it's a condition of approval as a standard for every permit that they go to DPW and get an encroachment permit. for a dumpster or extended truck parking or anything like that. It's a condition of approval as a standard for every permit that they go to DPW and get an encroachment permit for that work that would block the right away for any specific time. |
| 01:39:50.35 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah. Thank you, Commissioner Moore. Face chair. No, me neither. Thank you, Matthew. |
| 01:39:55.35 | Matthew Mandich | Right. Okay. I think if applicant- Applicant, yes. |
| 01:39:57.51 | Nastassya Saad | applicant? Yes. |
| 01:39:59.04 | Matthew Mandich | Thank you. |
| 01:39:59.48 | Nastassya Saad | It's finally your time. Thank you. If you could just state your name and address for the record, you'll have 15 minutes. |
| 01:40:05.76 | Pete Peterson | My name is Pete Peterson, landscape architect and planner. I'm based in San Rafael, 24 H Street is our office. And I come hat in hand. Welcome. As you can tell by the arrangements, it's been quite a complicated process We originally thought it was just going to be replacement in kind. It turns out that... It's going to be a little bit more than that in that we can't put back what's there now because of the building materials and the relative stiffness that we need in order to have that stairway. If you did risk the walk down to the water. you'll, it needs to be replaced. There's no question about a public safety component to the project. um, And getting all the homeowners to work together to get to this point has been an interesting challenge as well. The missing landowner, the project does touch the corner of it up at the top. And we did our level best to try and find that individual. And you saw the documentation and the application. We did best we could. So really, the project is pretty straightforward. I met last two weeks ago with Sausalito Marin City Sanitary District that actually has an easement on the property. looked at all the pressure mains coming up, Thank you. He inspected it, said it's looking very good, and we can work around that. And so it was a positive that this is one of the requirements that BCTC had. We needed to coordinate with the shared easement holders, and that was one of the ones that they said specifically we needed to address. And so we are in that process. We all, a whole alphabet of agencies are coming to bear on the project. So I don't want to bore you with all the detail, but we've been at it for a year now and we feel like we're getting close. And if there are any questions that you have regarding the project, I'd be delighted to answer it as best I can. |
| 01:42:35.26 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you very much. We can pause the clock. You have plenty of time left. We'll see if there are any questions from the commission. Commissioner Moore? No, no, no. Commissioner Luxembourg? |
| 01:42:45.53 | Jeffery Luxenberg | The one person that didn't sign, maybe this is a question of Matthew, but what is the address of record the dress of record isn't always the dress on the side. |
| 01:42:58.17 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah, it's not that resonance. I don't have it in front of me. It is on Marin map. We can, I mean, they've, they've been able to get it. They've sent numerous letters, certified mail. |
| 01:43:05.80 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Are they in this country? You seem to need some reference to out of the country. Is it in this country? |
| 01:43:11.23 | Matthew Mandich | Thank you. |
| 01:43:11.27 | Pete Peterson | No. |
| 01:43:11.69 | Matthew Mandich | We were not. Well, the address. Yes, I believe it might be an East Coast. I'd have to check. I don't want to say anything that's incorrect right now. But yeah, there's been some indications, I think maybe from some of the neighbors that the person doesn't reside in the country year round. |
| 01:43:19.82 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Okay. |
| 01:43:25.52 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Okay, but you mailed a public notice to the site, but you also mailed a public notice to wherever the owner of record is. |
| 01:43:35.35 | Matthew Mandich | Public notices went out to all of the residents or all the addresses nearby, as well as all the addresses connected to ownership. So there would have been a notice that went to the property, to the address that's listed for that property owner. Yes. |
| 01:43:35.40 | Jeffery Luxenberg | Thank you. |
| 01:43:47.75 | Matthew Mandich | Okay. |
| 01:43:48.04 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. Thank you very much, Vice Chair. |
| 01:43:51.14 | David Marlatt | No question. |
| 01:43:51.95 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. Same. No questions. We appreciate your time. So with that, we'll go ahead and open this up for public comment. I'm going to look to the chambers, and I'm going to assume I see none. |
| 01:44:04.52 | Matthew Mandich | Also looking to the Zoom application chair and seeing none. |
| 01:44:04.56 | Nastassya Saad | ALSO. |
| 01:44:07.76 | Matthew Mandich | you |
| 01:44:07.78 | Nastassya Saad | Okay, so you had over 12 minutes left. If you want to make any closing remarks, okay, we're going to forgo the time and bring it up here. I'm gonna be so bold as to look for a motion. |
| 01:44:18.12 | Andrew Junius | move to approve |
| 01:44:19.10 | Nastassya Saad | Thank you. Second. Okay. Thank you. Acting Director Manich, can you take roll please? |
| 01:44:25.60 | Matthew Mandich | Yes. Commissioner Junius. Yes. Commissioner Moore. Yes. Commissioner Luxembourg. Yes. Vice Chair Marlott. Yes. Chair Saab. |
| 01:44:31.71 | Nastassya Saad | Yes. Yes. |
| 01:44:34.65 | Matthew Mandich | Yeah. Thank you. Motion passes. Thank you very much. |
| 01:44:36.64 | Nastassya Saad | Yeah. Item number eight's adjournment. All in favor? So moved. All right. Have a good night. Thank you very much. |
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